HE SAID HE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN VARIOUS DISTRICT PLANS AND THE CITY CODE FOR SOME ITEMS THE COMMISSION MAKES A RECOMMENDATION WITH THE CITY COUNCIL HAVING FINAL DECISION MAKING AUTHORITY. WE HAVE ONE OF THOSE ITEMS TONIGHT. IN OTHER CASES THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN APPROVE OR DENY AN APPLICATION SUBJECT TO AN APPEAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND THERE ARE TWO OF THOSE ITEMS TONIGHT. FOR EACH ACTION ITEM THERE WILL BE A STAFF REPORT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT AND THEN TIME FOR ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC TO PROVIDE TESTIMONY. OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS TONIGHT IS THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. PLEASE STAND AS YOU ARE ABLE. I PLEDGE ALLIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ALL RIGHT. TONIGHT WITH THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND TWO SO THE ITEMS WILL START WITH THE PLANNING MANAGER WITH AN OVERVIEW OF REMOTE TESTIMONY. SURE. CHAIR ROHMAN COMMISSIONERS. GOOD EVENING. WE HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS AND A PUBLIC COMMENT OPPORTUNITY THIS EVENING AND LET ME JUST TRY TO SHARE THIS AGAIN. WELL, I WON'T SHARE THE PHONE NUMBERS HERE BUT ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WILL BE ABLE TO TESTIFY DURING THE PUBLIC HEARINGS PUBLIC COMMENT OPPORTUNITY HERE IN THE CHAMBERS. AND IF YOU'RE WATCHING FROM HOME YOU CAN TESTIFY FROM HOME AS WELL. WHAT YOU WILL DO IS CALL THE NUMBER THAT WE WILL HAVE DISPLAYED ON THE SCREEN. THERE'S A PHONE NUMBER AND THEN AN ACCESS CODE AND THEN A PASSCODE AND JUST ENTER THAT IN AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO TESTIFY JUST AS IF YOU WERE IN THE CHAMBERS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THE FIRST ITEM IS A REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A DAYCARE AND PLANNING TEXTBOOK HAS THE PRESENTATION . GOOD EVENING . OKAY SO ITEM ONE TONIGHT IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A DAYCARE LOCATED AT 8932 OLD CEDAR AVENUE SOUTH. THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE SITE PLAN WHILE AN AERIAL OF THE PROPERTY AND THE FLOORLAN. SO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED BY 18TH AVENUE SOUTH TO THE WEST AND OLD CEDAR AVE TO THE EAST. DAYCARES ARE A CONDITIONAL USE IN THE B2 ZONING DISTRICT AND THIS APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A DAYCARE WITH A TOTAL OF 68 CHILDREN. THEY'LL BE USING ABOUT 7725 SQUARE FEET OF THE BUILDING AND THERE WILL BE AROUND A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET LEFT FOR EXPANSION FOR ADDING MORE CHILDREN IN THE FUTURE. THE PROPOSED HOURS OF OPERATION ARE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY 9 A.M. TO 9 P.M. AND SATURDAY AND SUNDAY FROM NOON TO 9 P.M.. BUT THERE WAS ALSO SOME FLEXIBILITY IN THOSE HOURS AS FAR AS PARKING IS CONCERNED. 24 PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED AND THERE ARE 35 THAT ARE PROVIDED. THESE NUMBERS DO LEAVE FLEXIBILITY IN THE FUTURE FOR AN EXPANSION OF THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN. THAT'S WHY THERE IS A CONDITION THAT SAYS IF THERE IS AN INCREASE TO THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN ITILL BE APPROVED BYHE PLANNING MANAGER. THE APPLICANT ALSO MENTIONED THE POTENTIAL FOR A PLAYGROUND ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING KIND OF IN THE OPEN LAWN AREA. THIS WOULD LIKELY REQUIRE THE FINAL SITE AND BUILDING PLANS IN THE FUTURE. OKAY. MOVING ON TO CODE REQUIREMENTS . PICK UP AND DROP OFF IS PROPOSED TO BE AT THE SOUTHEAST ENTRANCE WHICH WOULD ALSO BE A POTENTIALLY GOOD SPOT FOR A SIDEWALK AS THAT WI BE REQUIRED. ONE EXAMPLE IS ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THIS SCREEN SHOWING WHERE THAT SIDEWALK COULD BE INCLUDED. YOU CAN ALSO SEE FROM THE PROPERTY OUTLINED IN RED THAT ON THE 18TH AVENUE SIDE THE PROPERTY SHARES TWO ENTRANCES. SO WE'RE ASKING THAT EASEMENTS BE FILED FOR THESE SHARED ACCESS LOCATIONS JUST IN CASE IN THE FUTURE ANYTHING HAPPENS IN THE NORTH OR SOUTH PROPERTY WHERE TOANT TO FEN OFF THEIR PROPERTY OR DO ANYTHING THAT WOULD NO LONGER ALLOW 8932 TO USE THOSE TWO ENTRANCES. THE LIGHTING AND LANDSCAPING LOOKS GOOD WITH CITY CODE REQUIREMENTS AND WITH THAT I'LL LEAVE YOU WITH THE RECOMMENDATION AND I'M HERE FOR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. I HAVE ONE QUESTION. I BELIEVE I READ THIS BUT IF YOU CANO BACK TO THE AREA, IS IT CORRECT THAT THE PROPOSED PLAYGROUND IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY? CHAIR ROHMAN THAT IS CORRECT. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY. I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT THE SUBJECT TO USE TO THE SOUTH. DO WE HAVE ANY REQUIREMENTS AROUND PLAYGROUNDS THAT WOULD MAKE IT CHALLENGING OR NOT TO PUT A PLAYGROUND THERE GIVEN THAT THE USE OF THE SOUTH AS A SERVICE STATION WOULD THAT BE DOABLE? CHAIR ROHMAN THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. YOU KNOW, I'MUESSING W MIGHT REQUIRE SOME TYPE OF SCREENING BUT I'M NOT COMPLETELY SURE. I WILL DEFER TO PREMIUM MANAGER MARK HOGAN IF WE HAVE ANY LIKE POLICY SURROUNDING THAT THAT TERM AND THERE ARE NO CODE REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD REQUIRE A SCREENING FOR THE DAYCARE. FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE THEY MAY WANT TO DO THAT JUST FOR THE YOU KNOW, THE KIND OF DESIRABILITY OF THE PLAYGROUND JUST TO SHIELD VIEWS TO THE GAS STATION. BUT IT WOULD NOT BE A REQUIREMENT I GUESS. THANK YOU. I GUESS MY MORE OF MY OBSERVATION WAS TO HAVE ANY HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUES WITH THAT PROXIMITY TO THAT USE. YEAH. JEROME AND I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY. WE WOULD CERTAINLY RESEARCH THAT FURTHER WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL BUT I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY RESTRICTIONS THEY WANTING TO ENSURE THAT IF WE ARE APPROVING THIS AS BEING SET UP FOR SUCCESS. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER GOLMAN. THANK YOU CHAIR. QUESTIONOR STAFF AROUND YOU KNOW PICK UP AND DROP OFF LOCATIONS AND JUST TRAFFIC FLOW, ARE THERE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC FLOW OF CARS AND THEN ALSO THE USE OF THAT NEW SIDEWALK? CHAIR ROHMAN COMMISSIONER GOLTZMAN THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION. I THINK FROM THE PLANNING POINT OF VIEW AND THE SCOPE OF THIS REVIEW WE DIDN'T REALLY THINK OF ISSUES BUT WE DO HAVE ENGINEERING STAFF IN THE BACK IF WE HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR THEM THAT THEY WANT TO TAKE. COMMISSIONER CURRIE THANK CHAIR. SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE MIGHT BE FINAL SITE AND BUILDING PLAN REQUIREMENTS TO BUILD OUT THE PLAYGROUND AT SOME POINT. ARE THERE APPROVALS REQUIRED? IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU KNOW THE CURRENT PLANS ARE TO OPERATE UNTIL POTENTIALLY 9 P.M. ON SATURDAY AND SUNDAY BUT COULD BE UNTIL MIDNIGHT ARE THERE AN APPROVALS REQRED TO CHANGE THE HOURS OF OPERATION ? CHAIR ROHMAN COMMISSIONER CURRIE THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. WE DON'T HAVE ANY IN PLACE RIGHT NOW LIKE WE DON'T HAVE A CONDITION THAT SAYS CHANGE IN HOURS WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING MANAGER. YEAH. ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF . ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. WITH THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM I'D GO AHD AND GET IN . COME ON UP TO THE MICROPHONE, INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND THE FLOOR IS YOURS. OKAY. MY NAME IS TIA RICHMOND AND I AM REPRESENTING THE CLIENT. AS FAR AS THE PLAYGROUND GOES THAT IS A FUTURE DESIRE. THERE'S NOTHING IN PLACE NOW TO BUILD IT OUT AND AT THAT POINT WE WOULD RESEARCH ANY CODES THAT WERE APPLICABLE TO HAVING THE THE YOU KNOW, THE THE PLAYGROUND THERE. THERE IS A FENCE CURRENTLY THAT DIVIDES THE DAYCARE PROPERTY FROM THE SPEEDWAY THAT'S THERE. SO THERE IS A THERE IS A BARRIER THERE ALREADY I BELIEVE IT'S 6 TO 8 FEET TALL. I DIDN'T ACTUALLYEASURE IT. SO THERE IS PRIVACY AND THERE IS A BARRIER ALREADY AND YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE PICK UP AND DROP OFF GO IS THERE IS A SIDEWALK ON THE 18TH AVENUE SIDE OF THE DAYCARE BUILDING AND THEN ON THE NORTH SIDE. SO PEOPLE CAN DRIVE IN FROM EITHER SIDE AND CONNECT UP WITH A SIDEWALK TO THE FRONT ENTRANCE AND THEN MAKE A LOOP AROUND SO YOU AREN'T DRIVING INTO A DEAD END SO THERE IS A THERE IS A TRAFFIC FLOW THERE THAT SHOULDN'T IMPEDE ANYBODY THAT MIGHT BE HAVING CAR STACK UP I SHOULD SAY TOO. RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER ALBERT THANK YOU CHAIR. MY QUESTION IS RELATED AGAIN TO COMMISSIONER GOLDMAN'S QUESTION ABOUT CIRCULATION OPEN. SO BASED ON THE INSIDE PLAN HERE I'M SEEING ONLYAYBE TEN STALLS ALONG THE SEED OLD CEDAR AVENUE AND THEN A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF STALLS SPECIFICALLY MORE NUMBER OF STALLS ON THE 18TH AVENUE SIDE. SO BASED ON WHAT YOUR COMMENT WAS, IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY IT WOULDN'T NOT EVERYONE ARRIVING WOULD BE PARKING ON THAT OLD CEDAR SIDE. THEY'D BE PARKING BOTH ON THE OLD CEDAR AND BUT ALL WALKING INTO THAT THAT ENTRANCE THAT WAS OUTLINED IN GREEN. CORRECT? OKAY. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU OH, I'M SORRY. I'M LAFAYETTE BUTLER ROBINSON. I'M ONE OF THE PEOPLE AT THIS SITE. JUST TO GIVE YOU MORE DEFINITION FOR PARKING SO YOU CAN BETTER UNDERSTANDING THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE BUILDING ON THE 18TH AVENUE SITE THAT IS DESIGNATED FOR STAFF PARKING. SO THAT ENTRANCE THAT'S WHERE STAFF WILL COME IN AND OUT TO GET INTO THE BUILDING. WE'RE LOOKING FOR OUR PARENTS TO COME IN THE FRONT SO THAT THOSE FNT SPACES WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR THEM TO DROP OFF AND PICK UP THEIR CHILDREN WHERE THE STAFF CARDS ARE NOT INTERMINGLE IN THOSE SPOTS SO THERE CAN BE AN EASIER FLOW OF SERVICE FOR THE FAMILIES TO COME OUT IN THE OTHER WHERE YOU WERE SAYING AS FAR AS LIKE SHE SAID FOR THE PLAYGROUND AREA WE ARE LOOKING INTO DOING THAT NOT AT THIS MOMENT TO ADD IN THE PLAYGROUND IS NOTOING TO BE TT BIG OF A AREA BECAUSE THAT GRASS AREA AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE PICTURE IS NOT THAT BIG OF A SPACE. SO WHEN WE SAY PLAYGROUND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE LIKE WHAT YOU WILL SEE AT YOUR PARKS, YOU KNOW, LIKE A BIG CLIMBING SLIDE KIND OF THING IS MORE SOUL OF MORE MOVABLE STRUCTURES LIKE LITTLE TIKES IN THOSE KIND OF PORTABLE TYPES OF PLAYGROUND PIECES THAT WOULD BE OUT THERE WHEN WE SAY PLAYGROUND. SO IT'S NOTHING LIKE REALLY OF A BIG SURFACE AREA THAT WE ARE WORKING WITH JUST SOMETHING MANAGEABLE FOR THERE. AND AS FAR AS FOR THE HOW THE OUTLINE IS FOR THE TWO ENTRANCE ON THE 18TH AVENUE SIDE THE OWNER OWNS THE BUILDING NEXT TO US SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING EXTRA WITH THEM AS FAR AS WHEN IT COMES TOAYING I CAN'T REMEMBER WCH ONE YOU GUYS HAD STATED IF THEY DECIDE TO BLOCK OFF THAT ENTRANCE WHERE WE CAN'T GET IN WE HAVE THAT MUTUAL SHARED DRIVEWAY ON THAT SIDE AND WE'RE WORKING TO FIGURE OUT THE DRIVEWAY WHERE THE GAS STATION IS THAT SO WE'RE TRYING TO LOCATE THE PAPERS BASICALLY NO ONE KNOWS WHERE THOSE ARE AT BUT GO CITY SO YEAH. THANK YOU. YES. THE OTHER QUESTIONS QUESTION OKAY. I JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION. SO I MEAN IF I KNOW THE AYGROUND IS A CONCEPT AT THIS POINT AND LATER HOURS ARE ALSO A CONCEPT AT THIS POINT DO YOU EVER IMAGINE USING THE PLAYGROUND AFTER DARK AT NIGHT LIKE PAST 9 P.M. AT ALL OR SO ? NO, THE PLAYGROUND WILL NOT BE USED AT NIGHTTIME IT WILL BE DURING DAYTIME HOURS. SO IF WE WERE CURRENTLY IN OPERATION THERE KIDS WILL BE ABLE TO GO OUTSIDE UP UNTIL THE SUN GOES DOWN. SO RIGHT NOW SUN GOES DOWN AROUND 730, 8:00 SO THEY STILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO OUTSIDE AND PLAY SO WHATEVER THE WEATHER DICTATES LET SUN ACTION OUTSIDE WILL DETERMINE WHAT TIME OUR STAFF WILL TAKE THE CHILDREN OUTSIDE. SO IF IT'S IN THE SUMMERTIME 9:00, 830, 9:00 WE STILL HAVE SUN SO IT'S A HIGH POSSIBILITY THAT THEY MIGHT BE OUTSIDE STILL PLAYING BUT A LOT OF OUR CHILDREN WILL PROBABLY BE OUT OF THE BUILDING. SO MAJORITY OF THAT TIME FOR PLAYGROUND ACTIVITIES WILL PROBABLY BE BY THEN BY 8:00 PM. SO GIVE OR TAKE TRISTA ALBRECHT THANK YOU. SURE. MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS IN THE INTERIM, WHAT DO YOU PLAN TO DO TO GET THE KIDS TO HAVE THE KIDS SOME OUTDOOR TIME? WHAT WE ARE HOPING TO DO ONCE WE CAN FIGURE OUT W WE CAN TALK TO WITH THE GAS STATION AND MAKE SOME TYPE OF AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM IS TO PUT SOME TEMPORARY BARRIERS LIKE SOME CONES, PORTABLE CONES TO DIVIDE THAT SECTION OF THE PLAYGROUND, THE PARKING LOT IN THE BACK PROVIDING OUR LICENSOR WILL AGREE TO US DOING THAT JUST AS OUTSIDE TIME IN BLACK IN THAT PART OF THE DAYCARE OFF IN THE BACK ON T 18TH AVENUE SITE IN PLACE IN THOSE AREAS. SO IN THAT WAY THERE IS NO CARS DRIVING IN THAT AREA JUST TO GIVE THEM SOME TIME TO PLAY WHERE THEY CAN HAVE LITTLE BIKES AND JUMP ROPES, BASKETBALL HOOPS, SOMETHING THAT'S TEMPORARY JUST FOR THEM TO BE IN THAT AREA THERE IS A PARK BUT THE PARK IS A LITTLE BIT OF A DISTANCE IN WALKING FOR THE CHILDREN TO GO THERE. SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO IMPROVISE AT THAT MOMENT WE PLAN ON USING SOME OF OUR INOR SPACE FOR OUR SMALLER KIDS TO BE ABLE TO PLAY SMALL LITTLE GAMES AND THINGS INSIDE OF THE BUILDING BUT WE JUST NEED TO WORK OUT SOME KINGSWOOD DHS FOR THAT LICENSOR. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THIS ITEM IS A PUBLIC HEARING. SO IS THERE ANYONE IN THE CHAMBERS FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM OF THE DAYCARE TALK? ALL RIGHT. AND I DO NOT SEE ANYONE ONLINE AND SO I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO MOVE TO SECOND. THANK YOU A MOTION IN A SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I OPPOSED ALL RIGHT AND DISCUSSION ON THE PROPOSAL COMMISSIONER CURRY YOU KNOW I GUESS YOU KNOW LIKE YOU HAD BROUGHT UP THE GAS STATION USE TO THE SOUTH I GUESS MY ONLY I MEAN IT'S GREAT THAT THE IT'S GREAT TO SEE OFFICE BUILDINGS BEING REUSED IN NEW WAYS AND YOU KNOW BEING REUSED. BUT I GUESS MY I DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A CONCERN ABOUT JUST THE GAS STATION USE TO THE SOUTH AND HAVING CHILDREN OUTSIDE IF IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE OUTSIDE AT NIGHT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT MAKES SENSE TO HAV A CONDITION THAT, YOU KNOW, KIDS WON'T BE OUTSIDE PAST PAST DARK AT ALL OR I DON'T KNOW HOW ALL OF THAT WOULD WORK BUT JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE KIDS ARE PROTECTED. COMMISSIONER COOKED IN . THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. YOU KNOW, I THINK IN THIS CASE IT MIGHT BE ONE OF THESE OR IT LOOKS A LITTLE WORSE ON PAPER THAN ACTUALLY IS OF A PULL OF GOOGLE STREET VIEW HERE THERE'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT FENCE BETWEEN THE SERVICE STATION AND THE DAYCARE AND I DON'T HAVE CONCERNS IN OUR STAFFAS LOOKE AT THIS FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE AND THEY'RE OKAY WITH IT SO I'M OKAY WITH IT OVERALL I THINK THIS IS A GOOD USE AND I'LL BE SUPPORTIVE. THANK YOU. I WOULD ACTUALLY JUST CLARIFY WHEN I ASKED THE QUESTION IT WAS LESS ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT IS A SERVICE STATION AND IT WAS MORE ABOUT IF WE HAD ANY REQUIREMENTS OR THINK AROUND I MEAN AS A GASOLINE SERVICE STATION THERE ARE VAPORS AND FUMES AND SUCH AND THOSE WERE MORE OF THE THINGS I HAD A QUESTION SO DO I DO I PERSONALLY LIKE THE IDEA OF A PLAYGROUND THAT CLOSE? NO, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T AND WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT SAYS THAT THAT'S UNACCEPTABLE FOR ANY USE AND SO I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT FROM THAT POINT THAT WAS WHERE I RAISED MY QUESTION LIKE OTHERS I LIKE THE REUSE OF THIS. I REALLY ALSO LIKE THAT IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CHILD CARE WITH EXTENDED HOURS SO MUCH OF THE CHILD CARE THAT'S AVAILABLE IS FOR PEOPLE WITH TRADITIONAL 8 TO 5 JOBS AND WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF OUR COMMUNITY THAT THAT IS NOT THE WORK THAT THEY DO. AND SO I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THIS APPLICATION AND I'M APPRECIATIVE THAT WE HAVE AN APPLICATION THAT SEEKS TO PROVIDE SERVICE TO A BROADER SPECTRUM OF THE COMMUNITY. WE HAVE THE DISCUSSION OR A MOTION. COMMISSIONER GOTTESMAN THANK YOU CHAIR. IF I MAY I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION PLEASE IN CASE PEOPLE 2023-131 HAVING BEEN ABLE TO MAKE THE REQUIRED FINDINGS AND MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A DAYCARE CENTER AT 8932 OLD CEDAR AVENUE SOUTH SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS AND CODE REQUIREMENTS ATTACHED TO THE STAFF REPORT. SO THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A DAYCARE AT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION SEEING NONE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I OPPOSED THE MOTION PASSES. THIS IS A FINAL DECISION MAKING BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION UNLESS AN APPEAL IS RECEIVED AT CITY HALL BY 4:30 P.M. ON SEPTEMBER 19TH. THANK YOU. YOU GOT IT FOR THE SECOND ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING THIS ITEM IS ANOTHER CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR INDOOR A RECREATION AND ENTERTAINMENT FACILITY AND SENIOR PLANNER SINCE SCENARIO HAS THE PRESENTATION ON THIS ONE THANK YOU GENTLEMEN . ITEM ON YOUR AGENDA IT IS FOR A TWO CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ALTHOUGH AS ONE AGENDA ITEM IT IS FOR AN INDOOR RECREATION ENTERTAINMENT USE AS WELL AS A RESTAURANT 707 CREEK RIDGE CIRCLE HERE'S AN AREA OF THE THE OFFICE BUILDING WELL IT'S A THREE STOREY OFFICE BUILDING HAS TWO LEVELS OF STRUCTURE PARKING THERE'S A YOU CAN SEE A ONE ENTRANCE YOU'LL SEE THE ENTRANCE TO ONE OF THE LEVELS OF STRUCTURE PARKING ON THE NORTH END AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ONE ON THE SOUTH ALONG THE SOUTH BUILDING ELEVATION AND THEN YOU CAN SEE INTERSTATE 44 TO THE SOUTH AS WELL AS WE'RE ON THE BORDER OF EDINA AND BLOOMINGTON. SO IT'S IT'S AN OFFICE BUILDING THAT HAS STRUGGLED WITH SOME VACANCY AND THE APPLICANT, MR. ROSAS IS LOOKING TO ESTABLISH HIS GOLF SIMULATOR BUSINESS ON THE FIRST AND SECOND LEVELS IS THE IMAGE OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS. AGAIN YOU SEE THE STRUCTURED PARKING ENTRANCE AND THEN THE THREE LEVELS SO THE PROPOSED USES THE INDOOR RECREATION ENTERTAINMENT AS WELL AS THE RESTAURANT WOULD OCCUPY PART OF THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOORS . THE THIRD FLOOR WHICH IS OFFICE TODAY WOULD REMAIN SO SO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OR THE USE OF THAT SPACE ISN'T PROPOSED TO CHANGE AT ALL AND I STOLE SOME IMAGES FROM MR. ROSE'S WEBSITE JUST TO GIVE YOU A VISUAL OF OF WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE THINKING, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE EACH ONE OF THESE GOLF SIMULATOR PODS REPRESENTS ONE SIMULATOR AND THEN THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO HAVE 23 TOTAL BETWEEN THE FIRST AND THE SECOND FLOOR. THE FLOOR PLANS ARE IMPORTANT HERE ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE SOME USES LIKE INDOOR RECREATION, ENTERTAINMENT AS WELL AS RESTAURANTS BECAUSE WE HAVE LITATIONS AND THE THE PROPORTION OF THESE USES CAN HAVE WITHIN A WITHIN A BUILDING. SO THE IT'S AN OFFICE BUILDING ITS OWN FOR OFFICE USES SO THERE IS A LIMITATION ON A RESTAURANT OR THERE IS A LIMITATION ON THE LIKE A INDOOR RECREATIONAL ENTERTAINMENT USE LIKE THE GOLF SIMULATORS. SO THAT'S WHY WE DID HAVE TO MEASURE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE WITHIN THOSE ALLOWANCES AND THE APPLICANT IS THE APPLICATION IS WITHIN THE ALLOWANCES FOR A LIMITED USE BUT YOU CAN SEE ON THE THIS IS THE FIRST FLOOR THERE'S A COMMON SRED AREA WHENOU WHEN YOU COME INTO THE BUILDING BUT THEN YOU CAN SEE THE RESTAURANT USE BAR THE TABLES AND CHAIRS OF SOME OF THE GOLF SIMULATOR SIMULATORS AND ALSO SOME OF THE OFFICE USES. SO IT IS IT IS A UNIQUE PROPOSAL WHERE THERE WOULD BE OFFICE USES AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE WORKING AND THEN IT WOULD BE VERY EASY FOR THEM TO STOP WORKING AND THEN JUMP ON A GOLF SIMULATOR. SO THIS IS A THIS IS A UNIQUE PROPOSAL AND YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT IS VERY CONFIDENT THAT THESE CAN THESE CAN CO-MINGLE AND COEXIST. THIS IS THE SECOND FLOOR HERE WHERE YOU SEE SOME ADDITIONAL OFFICE SPACES CUBICLE TYPE SPACES AND AND OFFICES WHERE YOU CAN CLOSE THE DOOR AS WELL AS THE MAJORITY OF THE GOLF SIMULATORS ARE WITHIN THIS SPACE. THIS YOU CAN IMAGINE THERE THE CITY CODE HAS A LITANY OF PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR FOUR DIFFERENT USES BUT GOLF SIMULATOR IS NOT ONE OF THEM. SO WHEN WE RUN IN THESE SITUATIONS WE HAVE TO MAKE WE HAVE TO RESEARCH AND USE OUR BEST JUDGMENT ON WHAT WE THINK IS AN APPROPRIATE AND APPROPRIATE STANDARD. THERE'S WE CAN LOOK AT DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES. THERE'S ALSO MANUALS LIKE I.T THAT HAS SOME PARKING STANDARDS BUT UNLESS WHERE WE ENDED UP WAS TO RECOMMEND REQUIRING TWO STALLS PER SIMULATOR SO THAT'S AN ISOLATION OF THE OFFICE AND THE RESTAURANT IN REALITY THESE THINGS ARE KIND OF MIXED UP AND CO-MINGLED AND AT THERE THERE'S ABSOLUTELY GOING TO BE SOMEHARED PARKINGLEMENT TO THIS. BUT WHEN WE DID THE CALCULATION WE TURNED OUT THAT THERE WERE THERE REALLY SEEMS TO BE ADEQUATE MORE THAN ADEQUATE ONSITE PARKING SUPPLY BASED ON THAT TWO STALLS PER SIMULATOR STANDARD. THERE'S ALSO THE CDC MEATS FOR THE RESTAURANT WHICH HAS A SEPARATE 23 STALL REQUIREMENT AND THEN THE REMAINDER OF THE OFFICE BUILDING WHICH HAS YET ANOTHER STANDARD TO ONLY ADD THIS ALL UP DOES FALL JUST BELOW THE THE SUPPLY OF 168 STALLS. SO WE DIDN'T WE DIDN'T REQUIRE OR THINK IT WAS NECESSARY TO DO LIKE A SHARED PARKING ANALYSIS BASED ON THIS MIX OF USES AND WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE SUPPLY THAT'S ON SITE SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING OR APPROVAL. I DO HAVE THE RECOMMENDED MOTION ON THE SCREEN FOR YOU. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER GOTTESMAN THANK YOU CHUCK CHAIR ONE QUESTION I HAD FOR STAFF IS I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE PACKET AND I SAW YOUR NOTIFICATION RING AND ONE QUESTION I HAD IS I SEE THAT THERE ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TO THE NORTH OF THIS PROPERTY AND THEY WERE OUTSIDE OF THE NOTIFICATION RING WERE THEY NOTIFIED AND IF NOT WELL WHAT TYPES OF NOTIFICATIONS DO WE REQUIRE? I KNOW THAT'S TECHNICALLY DINAH YEAH. YOUR ROOM AND COMMISSIONER GOTTESMAN IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN I DON'T THEY DO NOT GET A MAILED NOTICE IT'S OUTSIDE THE MUNICIPAL BOUNDARY THERE WE DO PUBLISH A NOTICE IN THE SUN CURRENT IF PEOPLE PAY ATTENTION TO TS ON CURRENT AN THE PUBLIC NOTICES THAT ARE IN THERE SO THAT THERE WAS WE JUST FOLLOW OUR CODE IN TERMS OF NOTIFYING ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS THERE REALLY AREN'T THAT MANY IN THIS CASE THE CITY IS ONE OF MEN THAT DOESN'T MAIL UNLESS THERE'S A DISTINCT PROPERTY BUT BASED ON MINDAT RIGHT AWAY WE WOULDN'T SEND A NOTICE THERE. THEN THE ADJACENT OFFICE BUILDING SO THERE WERE THERE WERE REALLY ONLY A HANDFUL OF FOLKS THAT RECEIVED A NOTICE AND IF SOMEONE HAPPENED TO BE READING THIS ON CURRENT AND LOOKING AT THOSE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES THEY WOULD HAVE H THE INFORMATION ON ON TONIGHT'S MEETING. OKAY. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER COOKSON THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. MR. SIMPSON AREA THE TWO SPOTS PER GOLF BAG WHICH I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE IS PROBABLY CONSERVATIVE LET'S SAY THE BUILDING ORDER WANTS TO CHANGE SOME OF THE USAGE IN THIS BUILDING. ARE WE TYING OUR HANDS TO THIS TWO BAYS PER UNIT THING IF LIKE CAN THAT BE REEVALUATED IF NECESSARY FOR A FUTURE APPLICATION? GENERAL AND COMMISSIONER CERTAINLY IT COULD BE REEVALUATED BASED ON THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT WE'RE WE'RE ASKING YOU TO TAKE OR MAY TAKE ACTION ON IT WOULD BE LIMITED TO 23 SIMULATORS IF THE APPLICANT WISH TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF SIMULATORS LET'S JUST SAY THE MODIFY THE THIRD FLOOR IT WOULD REQUIRE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REVISION BUT THEN WE'RE ALSO RUNNING INTO ANOTHER PROBLEM RELATEDO IT BEING A LIMITED USE BECAUSE WE HAVE THESE PROPORTIONS OF OFFICE BUILDINGS, WE HAVE SOME LIMITATIONS ON THESE TYPES OF USES SO THEY PROBABLY ARE RUNNING INTO JUST A CODE STANDARD WHERE THERE HAS TO BE A CODE AMENDMENT AND THAT'S A YOU KNOW, A BROADER APPLICATION AND MORE DISCUSSION THAT WE COULD CONSIDER. OKAY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MCGOVERN. THANK YOU CHAIR. IN LOOKING AT THE AERIAL VIEW THERE IS A LOT OF LUSH TREES AND I LIKE TO SEE THAT FOR THE BACKDROP IS THERE ANY FENCING AROUND THE PROPERTY THAT WILL KEEP THE BUSINESS SEPARATED FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS? CHAIRMAN COMMISSIONER I DON'T BELIEVE SO CERTAINLY TO THE I BELIEVE THERE'S A BARRIER OR FENCE FROM THE INTERSTATE BUT AS I UNDERSTAND IT THERE IS SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT TO THE EAST AND TO THE NORTH AS YOU CAN IMAGINE A RIVER VALLEY ,YOU KNOW, DOWN TOWARDS THE WATER. BUT IN TERMS OF A BARRIER, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S A BARRIER. THERE IS A OUTDOOR THERE'S A DECK AND IF YOU CAN SEE THIS THERE IS SOME OUTDOOR SPACE AND I THINK THAT DOES LEAD TO LIKE AN OUTDOOR PATIO. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, YOU KNOW ,THE HOPE IS PEOPLE WOULD STAY AWAY FROM ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S A PHYSICAL BARRIER TO DO THAT. I THINK THE OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OKAY. THANK YOU. THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM COULD GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND THEN WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE US TO KNOW. YEAH MY NAME IS ERNIE ROSE AND MY WIFE AND I ARE LOOKING AT PURCHASING UH, CREEK RIDGE AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENT AT THIS TIME. NOT UNLESS YOU GUYS HAVE SOMETHING FOR ME. SO I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT COMMISSIONER CARY SO I GUESS I'M JUST TRYING TO PIECE TOGETHER ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON IN THE SPACE SO IT LOOKS LIKE THERE MAYBE ARE SOME CUBES AND PRIVATE OFFICES. IS THIS IS IT LIKE AN OFFICE SPACE THAT PEOPLE WILL BE IN ALL THE TIME OR IS IT KIND OF PT TIME OFFICEND THEN YOU'LL GO H GOLF ARE THEY LIKE LESSONS AND PROFESSIONALS JUST TRY TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY HOW IT ALL THERE'S NO LESSONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT BUT UM YEAH WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE INDOOR GOLF SIMULATORS AROUND THE PERIMETER JUST LIKE MIKE SAID AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THE USE HIS OFFICE FOR I THINK IT'S 82% OF THE FACILITY . YEAH COMMISSIONER KIRKLAND THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. MR. ROSE, DO YOU SEE THIS BEING OPEN TO THE PUBLIC OR IS THIS MEANT TO BE AN AMENITY FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE OFFICE BUILDING? NO, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME MEMBERSHIPS BUT IT'S GOING TO BE OPEN TO ANYBODY AND EVERYBODY AND YEAH, SO IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. THANK YOU. THE QUESTIONS FOR THE UPCOMING COMMISSIONER GOLTZMAN. THANK YOU CHAIR. I GUESS A QUESTION FOR MR. ROSE OR STAFF AS WELL. I SEE WE TALKED ABOUT THERE IS A PATIO AND A DECK IS IS THERE PLANS TO USE THAT OUTDOOR SPACE AND IF SO, WHAT TYPES OF PLANNING DO WE NEED TO HAVE IN TERMS OF USING THAT SPACE? YEAH, I MEAN I THINKE'RE NOT PLANNINGN DOING ANYTHING WITH IT, JUST KEEPING IT EXACTLY WHAT IT IS AND I THINK THE THEY'RE DOING SOME UPDATING TO THAT RIVERBED. I THINK THEY'RE YOU KNOW TO SOMEBODY QUESTION WAS I THINK THEY'RE UPDATING A LOT OF THOSE TREES ALONG THERE BUT WE'RE PLANNING ON KEEPING THE THE DECK EXACTLY AS IT IS. OKAY GREAT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER THANK YOU, CHAIR. I WANT T GO BACK TO A PREVIOUS QUESTION ABOUT THE OFFICE USE MINGLING WITH THE GOLF SIMULATORS SO THAT OFFICE USE IS THAT BEING LEASED OUT TO OTHER FOLKS TO USE IS IT LIKE A WE WORK MODEL WHO WHO IS GOING TO WORK THERE? I HOPE SOMEBODY YEAH IT'S I THINK AS THE SELLERS ARE HERE AND I THINK IT'S TAKEN A COUPLE OF YEARS FOR THEM TO GET ANYBODY IN THERE YEAH I'M CRAZY ENOUGH TO MOVE IN THERE SO BUT YEAH I HAVE SOME BUSINESSES WE'LL PUT OUR OFFICES ON I GUESS THE SECOND FLOOR IS MAYBE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BUT WE'RE PLANNING ON KEEPING SOME OFFICES STILL THERE. SO YEAH I DON'T KNOW WHO IT IS YET SO YOU KNOW ANYBODY SO LEASABLE SQUARE FOOTAGE. YES. YES. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. THANK YOU. THIS ITEM ALSO HAS A PUBLIC HEARING SO I WOULD START BY ASKING IF THERE IS ANYONE IN THE CHAMBERS FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK THIS ITEM. GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND WRITE YOUR NAME ON THE SIGNING SHEET BEFORE OR AFTER EITHER WAY. ALL RIGHT, I'M CHAD ANDERSON, JUST A RESIDENT OF BLOOMINGTON AND I JUST KNOW ERNIE THROUGH DIFFERENT THINGS AND HEARD HIM TALKING ABOUT THIS AND I THINK IT'S JUST A REALLY COOL, COOL THING FOR BLOOMINGTON. YOU KNOW, UPDATE IT AND GET SOME RESTAURANTS AND SOMETHING TO DO. SO I WAS JUST I WAS REALLY EXCITED JUST FOR ANOTHER SOME YOU KNOW SOMETHING THERE BECAUSE I THINK THERE WAS A TOPGOLF OR SOMETHING THAT WANTED TO G IN THAT DN'T WORK AND SO I THINK HE'S REALLY TRYING HARD TO MAKE IT FIT WITHIN SOMETHING THAT WILL WORK AND JUST CREATE ANOTHER GOOD FUN PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO COME TO BLOOMINGTON YOU KNOW, TO TO YOU KNOW, HANG OUT AND STAY. AND SO I WAS JUST REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THANKS AGAIN FOR ALL YOUR WORK. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM AND I AM NOT SEEING ANYBODY ONLINE SO WITH THAT I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO MOVE SECOND. THANK YOU. A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I OPPOSED PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED DISCUSSION ON THE ITEM COMMISSIONER GOTTESMAN THANK YOU CHAIR JUST A FEW THINGS THAT I WROTE DOWN WHILE WE WERE GOING THROUGH APPRECIATE STAFF AND THE APPLICANT WORKING ON REUSING A SPACE THAT YOU KNOW IS ON THE ON THE EDGES OF BLOOMITON. BUT I ENVISION YOU KNOW AN OFFICE SPACE IS IS THERE'S A LOT OF VACANCY SO BEING CREATIVE AND USING A SPACE THAT IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAN WE'VE TYPICALLY DONE SO I COMMEND YOU FOR THAT. I THINK IT'S IT'S GREAT TO HAVE DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES THAT US RESIDENTS CAN DO THAT IS ACTIVE. I LOVE THAT IT'S INDOORS IN THE WINTERTIME IT GIVES PLACES FOR FAMILIES PEOPLE THAT LIKE TO GOLF OR YOU KNOW EVEN KIDS PLACES TO GO TO BE ACTIVE IN THE MIDDLE OF WINTER ANDO I LIKEHAT THAT GIV US TT OPTION MIGHT ONE CONCERN IS NOT ON THE APPLICATION ITSELF BUT JUST A ROUND PROCESS AND BECAUSE THERE ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TO THE NORTH I KNOW IT'S OUTSIDE OF OUR NORMAL PROCESS BUT I WISH THAT WE HAD A PROCESS TO NOTIFY RESIDENTS TO THE NORTH OF THIS PROPERTY AS IT'S NOT JUST 9 TO 5 TRAFFIC TO THE LOCATION LIKE THEY'VE BEEN UD TO. THERE'LL BE, YOU KNOW, RESTAURANT OF PEOPLE IN D OUT AT DIFFERENT HOURS NOT JUST FOR A FULL WORKDAY. SO I WOULD BE REMISS IF I WASN'T SOMEWHAT DISAPPOINTED IN OUR PROCESS THAT THEY WEREN'T NOTIFIED BECAUSE IT WILL IMPACT THEM AS THEY LIVE JUST TO THE NORTH. BUT OVERALL I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT WE'RE USING THE SPACE AND I'LL BE IN SUPPORT YOU OTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER CREE YES, I HAVE A QUESTION AS A NEW PERSON ON THE COMMISSION I THINK THOSE HOUSES TO THE NORTH ARE IN THE CITY OF EDINA. SO IF THAT OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW IN GENERAL I THOUGHT I HEARD STAFF MENTION WAS THAT OUR CURRENT PROCESS DOES NOT REQUIRE OBLIGATE US TO NOTIFY OUTSIDE OF BLOOMINGTON I THINK IF I'M HEARING COMMISSIONER GOLTZMAN RIGHT SHE'S ENCOURAGING US TO THINK ABOUT BEING A LITTLE BIT MORE INCLUSIVE OF THAT AND EVEN IN SPITE OF IT NOT BEING OUR TECHNICAL REQUIREMENT, I THINK STAFF HAS NOTED THAT PERFECTLY . SO I THINK YOU EITHER A DISCUSSION OR IF NOT A DISCUSSION OF MOTION COMMISSIONER COOKED IN MR. CHEROKEE'S PEEL TO 02334 HAVING BEEN ABLE TO MAKE THE REQUIRED FINDINGS I MOVED TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION APPROVING CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS FOR BOTH AN INDOOR RECREATION AND ENTERTAINMENT FACILITY AND A RESTAURANT AT EIGHT AT 7807 CREEK RIDGE CIRCLE SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS AND CODE REQUIREMENTS ATTACHED TO THE STAFF REPORT. SECOND THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ALL ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I OPPOSED THE MOTION PASSES THIS IS A FINAL DECISION UNLESS A AN APPEAL IS RECEIVED AT CITY HALL BY 4:30 P.M. ON SEPTEMBER 19TH. THANK YOU. THE THIRD ITEM IS ANOTHER IS A PUBLIC COMMENT OPPORTUNITY. THIS IS THE CITY'S NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN. I THINK BEFORE COMMISSIONER CURRIE JOINED US BUT WE HAVE HAD THIS ITEM MONTHS OF THE STUDY ITEM BEFORE SO SOME OF THESE ITEMS I THINK WHERE THINGS WERE BROUGHT BEFORE US FOR FEEDBACK AND THIS IS THE FINAL PLAN THAT IS HERE FOR OUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL I THINK AND I WILL JUST STOP PRETENDING I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT AND TURN IT OVER TO FOLKS FROM KIMBERLY AND CITY STAFF. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER RAMON. I'M JULIE LANG. I'M THE CITY ENGINEER AND I'M HERE TO INTRODUCE RAY HAYHURST WHO WORKS FOR KIMBERLY HORNE AND IS OUR HAS BEEN OUR CONSULTANT THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PROGRAM AND AS CHAIRWOMAN INDICATED WE ARE LOOKING FOR A MOTION OR RECOMMENDATION TO ACCEPT THE PLAN FOR CITY COUNCIL. THANK YOU. OUR AGENDA FOR TODAY WE WILL PROVIDE A OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT, THE PURPOSE AND THE GOALS AS WELL AS REPORT TO THE COMMISSION ON WHAT WE'VE HEARD THROUGH PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. WE'LL GO OVER OUR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR SPEED LIMITS ON LOCAL STREETS AND CHANGES TO THE TRAFFIC CALMING REQUEST PROGRAM. AND FINALLY WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR THE COMMISSION FOR A RECOMMENDED MOTION. WE COULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO GRAB THAT ONE OF MY CRIMINALS JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE GUEST. YEP. UM, AS AN OVERVIEW THE CITY IS UPDATING ITS NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PROGRAM FOR LOCAL STREETS. THE PROGRAM WILL BUILD ON EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC PROGRAMS AND ADD NEW PROGRAMS THAT REFLECT THE CITY'S COITMENT TO SAFET AND LIVABILITY OF ITS NEIGHBORHOODS. A MAIN PURPOSE OF THIS PROGRAM IS TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR RESIDENTS TO NAVIGATE THE VARIOUS PROGRAMS AND USE THE SERVICES OFFERED BY THE CITY. THERE ARE FIVE MAIN PROGRAMS THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PROGRAM WILL STRENGTHEN INTEGRATE THAT INCLUDES SPEED LIMITS ON LOCAL STREETS THE TRAFFIC CALMING REQUEST PROGR PAVEMENT MANAGENT PROGRAM, SPEED AWARENESS PROGRAM AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS PARK AESS AS RECOMMENDED IN THE PARK SYSTEM MASTER PLAN AND ALL OF THIS IS TO CREATE A COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH TO MANAGING TRAFFIC SPEEDS, IMPROVING SAFETY AND INCREASING ACCESS FOR PEOPLE WHO WALK, BIKE AND TAKE TRANSIT. THERE ARE SIX MAIN GOALS OF THE PROGRAM AND THAT INCLUDES SAFETY, MOBILITY, EXCESSIVE ABILITY EQUITY. IN THIS CONTEXT MAKING SURE THAT ALL COMMUNITIES IN THE CITY EXPERIENCE BETTER HEALTH AND WELL-BEING WITH A PARTICULAR FOCUS ON DISADVANTAGED POPULATIONS, OTHER GOALS INCLUDE EFFICACY AND FISCAL SUSTAINABILITY AS WELL AS MAKING THE PROGRAM CLEAR AND EASY TO UNDERSTAND SINCE BEGINNING IN FEBRUARY WE INTRODUCED THE PROJECT TO THE COMMUNITY THROUGH POP UP EVENTS, OPEN HOUSES, ONLINE SURVEYS AND INTERACTIVE MAPS. IN THE SPRING WE PRESENTED OUR DRAFT RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE PUBLIC AT ANOTHER SERIES OF OF ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES AND THIS SUMMER WE'VE REFINED THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE ARE PRESENTING HERE TODAY. SO WHAT WE'VE HEARD SO FAR AT AT THESE ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES GENERALLY THERE'S A LIMITED AWARENESS OF THE EXISTING TRAFFIC CALMING PROGRAM. WE'VE HEARD REPEATEDLY THE IMPORTANCE OF SAFETY NEAR SCHOOLS AND WE'VE ALSO HEARD SPECIFIC SAFETY CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC CONCERNS IN NEIGHBORHOODS AND ON LOCAL STREETS AS WELL AS NON-LOCAL STREETS. WE'VE HEARD EXCITEMENT FROM MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE IT EASIER TO REQUEST TRAFFIC CALMING AND THAT IS BORNE OUT IN AN ONLINE SURVEY. THE SECOND SURVEY THAT WE CONDUCTED THIS SPRING WE ASKED A SERIES OF QUESTIONS TO THE COMMUNITY AND RECEIVED 73 UNIQUE RESPONSES GENERALLY A MAJORITY OF RESPONDENTS SAID THAT THEY WOULD USE THE NEW TRAFFIC CALMING PROCESS TO REPORT THEIR TRAFFIC SAFETY CONCERNS. OVER TWO THIRDS OF RESPONDENTS EXPRESSED STRONG OR SOME SOMEWHAT SUPPORT FOR LOWER SPEED LIMITS SO 20 MILES PER HOUR ON LOCAL STREETS AND IN ADDITION, RESPONDENTS STATED THAT LOWER SPEED LIMITS UH TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICES AND ENFORCING SPEED LIMITS ARE THE TOP THREE MEASURES TO IMPROVE TRAFFIC SAFETY NEAR SCHOOLS. THIS SLIDE SHOWS A BREAKDOWN OF WHO WE ARE WHO WE HAVE HEARD FROM. UM, AS WITH A LOT OF ONLINE SURVEYS IT'S NOT NECESSARILY REPRESENTED OF CITYWIDE DEMOGRAPHICS GENERALLY RESPONDENTS WERE SLIGHTLY OLDER UM MAJORITY WHITE IN TWO THIRDS OF RESPONDENTS WERE FEMALE. SO WE ALSO PROVIDED UPDATES TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL THIS SPRING WE RECEIVED A LOT OF GREAT FROM THE COMMISSION UH NOTABLY ON THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL DATA ON LOWER SPEED LIMITS IN SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL DATA ON IMPLEMENTING ACTION COSTS. AND WE HEARD GENERALLY SUPPORT FOR SCHOOL ZONE SPEED LIMITS BUT WITH THE NEED FOR PROVIDING MORE SPECIFICS . SO BASED ON OUR REVIEW OF EXISTING CONDITIONS AND THE CRASH ANALYSIS AND THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE COMMUNITY PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL, WE'VE DEVELOPED A WE'RE RECOMMENDING A 25 MILE PER HOUR SPEED LIMIT FOR ALL LOCAL STREETS UH AS SHOWN IN BLUE THIS MAP WITH AND THIS RECOMMENDATION IS WITH CONSIDERATION FOR LOWER SPEED LIMITS IN SCHOOL ZONES WHICH I'LL TOUCH ON SHORTLY AND THIS MAP SHOWS KIND OF EXISTING LIMITS ON LOCAL STREETS JUST FOR REFERENCE . SO IN AUGUST 2019 BASED ON UH LET'S SEETATE LEVEL STUTE ALL MINNESOTA CITIES CAN SET SPEED LIMITS ON THEIR STREETS UH NOTABLY MINNEAPOLIS AND SAINT PAUL HAVE IMPLEMENTED LOWER SPEED LIMITS ON LOCAL STREETS AS WELL AS SEVERAL CITIES SUCH AS O'DONNELL AND ST LOUIS PARK. AND WE WANT TO NOTE THAT THE CITY OF RICHFIELD IS CURRENTLY STUDYING SPEED LIMITS ON THE SPEED LIMITS IN A DINER IN SAINT LOUIS PARK. VERY UH VERY AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO CONSISTENT ACROSS LOCAL STREETS. UM, AND THEY USED DIFFERENT CRITERIA TO TO SET THEIR SPEED LIMITS. WE WANT TO NOTE THAT THERE IS HAS BEEN NO COMPREHENSIVE POST IMPLEMENTATION OF OUR EVALUATION IN EITHER CITY. SO OUR GOALS WITH SETTING SPEED LIMITS ARE I TNK IT'S IMPORTANT TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND YOU KNOW, UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE FOCUSED ON SPEED. UM, YOU KNOW RISK TO PEDESTRIANS GREATLY INCREASES AS DRIVER SPEED INCREASES AS SHOWN IN THE GRAPHIC ON THIS SLIDE. SO WITH THAT IN MIND WE WANT TO SET SPEED LIMITS ON LOCAL STREETS THAT PROMOTE SAFER SPEEDS ESPECIALLY NEAR SCHOOLS AREAS WITH VULNERABLE ROAD USERS. WE WANT TO MAINTAIN, YOU KNOW ,CONSISTENCY WITH THE SPEED LIMITS AND MAKE IT EASY FOR DRIVERS TO UNDERSTAND AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S THERE'S A CERTAIN BENEFIT TO HAVING CONSISTENT SPEED LIMITS AND NOT A LOT OF VARIATION UH, BLOCK TO BLOCK AND LASTLY WE WANT TO SET REASONABLE EXPECTATIONS BASED ON THE THE DATA THAT WE'VE THAT THE CITY HAS COLLECTED GENERALLY MOST DRIVERS ARE TRAVELING 25 ON AVERAGE 25 MILES PER HOUR ON EXISTING STREETS WHERE IT'S CURRENTLY POSTED 30 MILES PER HOUR. SO WE HAVE CONSIDERED 20 MILE PER HOUR SPEED LIMIT BUT BASED ON THE DATA WE DO NOT THINK A POST THE SPEED LIMIT OF 20 MILE PER HOUR WOULD HAVE YOU KNOW, SET REASONABLE EXPECTATIONS AND WOULD LIKELY LEAD TO A LOT OF DRIVERS NATURALLY GOING OVER THAT SPEED LIMIT JUST WITH NO CHANGES TO THE ROADWAY AND NO INCREASED ENFORCEMENT THERE, THERE WOULD FUNDAMENTALLY BE NO CHANGE IN TREVOR BEHAVIOR ONTO THE CONSIDERATION FOR SCHOOL ZONE SPEED LIMITS UH THIS RECOMMENDATION TO CONSIDER UH POSTED 20 MILE PER HOUR SPEED LIMITS ON SELECT LARGER STREETS AROUND PUBLIC AND PRIVATEHARTER SCHLS DURING ARRIVAL ANDISMISSAL PERIODS. THIS RECOMMENDATION INCLUDES UPDATING THE EXISTING SAFER OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT WIDE PLAN AS WELL AS COORDINATING WITH HENNEPIN COUNTY ON SPEED SPEED LIMITS FOR NON-LOCAL STREETS BY SCHOOLS NOTABLY THE COUNTY OWNS SOME OF THE LARGER ROADWAYS NEAR THE CITY SCHOOLS OLD SHOCK AP FRANCE HAVE JUST TO NAME A FEW UM TO IMPLEMENT THE LOWER THE RECOMMENDED LOWER SPEED LIMITS ON LOCAL STREETS WE'VE IDENTIFIED STRATEGIES WHICH ARE INCLUDED IN OUR IMPLEMENTATION PLAN AND I'LL BRIEFLY GO THROUGH THIS SO IADDITION TO ADOPTING A POLICY OF 25 MILES PER HOUR SPEED LIMITS ON LOCAL STREETS AND THE SCHOOL ZONE SPEED LIMITS ON CASE BY CASE BASIS WE'RE RECOMMENDING CHANGES TO THE CITY ORDINANCE ORDINANCE THAT WOULD STATE THE CITY'S AUTHORITY TO SET SPEED LIMITS. THAT'S CURRENTLY NOT EXPLICIT IN THE ORDINANCE NOTABLY NO CHANGES ARE NEEDED TO THE CODE FOR SETTING SCHOOL ZONE SPEED LIMITS HOWEVER SPEED LIMITS ON LARGER NON COUNTY ROADWAYS WOULD BE SET BY THE CITY ENGINEER. AN UPDATE UPDATED BY OFFICIAL MAP. AND LASTLY WE RECOMMEND THE DEVELOPMENT OF A SIGNAGE PLAN FO LOCAL STREETS SOHIS WOULD INCLUDE THE 25 MILE PER HOUR SPEED LIMIT SIGNS UH AS WELL AS THE SCHOOL ZONE FLASHER ASSEMBLY SIGNS A TRAFFIC SIGNAL PLAN WOULD NEED TO BE DEVELOPED FOR NON-LOCAL STREETS WITH LOWER SCHOOL ZONE SPEED LIMITS AND THIS WOULD BE DONE IN COORDINATION WITH HENNEPIN COUNTY MINDA IN NEIGHBORING MUNICIPALITIES . ONE OF THE IMPORTANT STRATEGIES THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IS EDUCATING THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE CHANGESO SPEED LIMITS TT WE WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT 100% COMPLIANCE WITH SPEED LIMITS IS UNREALISTIC. SO WE THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO LEAD WITH EDUCATION RATHER THAN ENFORCEMENT. SO WE WANT TO FOCUS ON SPEED AWARENESS STRATEGIES THAT PROVIDE THAT REAL TIME FEEDBACK THAT CAN SHIFT DRIVER BEHAVIOR AND WE RECOMMEND DEPLOYING MOBILE RADAR SIGNS AT SELECT LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. SO AT SPEED TRANSITION ZONES WHERE ARE YOU GOING FROM A HIGHER SPEED LIMIT TO 25 MILE PER HOUR OR 20 MILE PER HOUR? UH STREETS AS WELL AS SCHOOL ZONES AND PROBLEMATIC LOCATIONS WITH SAFETY ISSUES WE'VE IDENTIFIED COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE CHANGES TO THE SPEED LIMIT AND THAT INCLUDES PMARILY CHANGES TO THE SIGNAGE PLAN AS WELL AS COMMUNICATION AND EDUCATION STRATEGIES FUNDING SOURCES WE RECOMMEND THAT THE GENERAL FUND BE USED TO PAY FOR SPEED RADAR SIGNS AS WELL AS SIGNAGE MAINTENANCE AND REPLACEMENT IN THAT WE ALSO RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY COUNCIL'S STRATEGIC PRIORITIES FUND BE USED TO PAY FOR THE NEW 25 ME PER HR SIGNAGE, COMMUNICATION AND EDUCATION STRATEGIES AS WELL AS SCHOOL ZONE FLASHER ASSEMBLIES. AND LASTLY WE RECOMMEND THAT STAFF WILL COMPLETE AND PRESENT THE INITIAL EVALUATION OF SPEED LIMIT CHANGES TO THE CITY COUNCIL WITHIN THREE YEARS OF IMPLEMENTATION OF THE SPEED LIMIT CHANGE AND THIS EVALUATION WOULD LOOK AT CHANGES TO SPEEDS AS WELL AS CRASHISTORY AND ALSO CONSER OTHER FACTORS AND ONTO OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR CHANGES TO THE TRAFFIC CALMING REQUESTS PROGRAM. SO THE GOAL OF TRAFFIC CALMING IS TO REDUCE SPEEDING OR CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC ON LOCAL STREETS AND TO DO THAT BY DESIGNING THE STREET TO ENCOURAGE SLOWER SPEEDS. TRAFFIC CALMING TAKES A VARIETY OF FORMS BUT IT COULD INCLUDE SPEED HUMPS, THE NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC CIRCLES AS SHOWN ON THE SLIDE. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT TRAFFIC CALMING NEEDS TO BE SUPPORTED BY EDUCATION AND TRAFFIC AWARENESS STRATEGIES IN ORDER TO BE EFFECTIVE. AND ONE CRITICAL GOAL OF UPDATG THE TRAFF CALMING REQUEST PROGRAM IS TO BE ABLE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE STAFF BE ABLE TO PRIORITIZE REQUESTS FROM FROM RESIDENTS WITH A SELECTION CRITERIA THAT I'LL ELABORATE ON SHORTLY. SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING A MULTI STEP TRAFFIC CALMING PROCESS THAT TAKES PLACE OVER TWO YEAR CYCLE. IT WOULD BEGIN IN WINTER OF YORE ONE WITH A REALLY A CALL FOR PUBLIC REQUESTS. UM, AND THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO PRIORITIZE THOSE REQUESTS BASED ON THE ESTABLISHED UH, EVALUATE PRIORITIZATION CRITERIA IN THE SPRING OF YEAR ONE, UH, STAFF WOULD GATHER NECESSARY INFORMATION INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO SPEEDS TRAFFIC VOLUMES AND CRASH HISTORY AS WELL AS PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE ACTIVITY. UM THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY AND ASK FOR FOR FEEDBACK TO BETTER DEFINE THE ISSUE AND PRESENT POTENTIAL TRAFFIC CALMING SOLUTIONS WITH FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY. UH STAFF WOULD THEN PRESENT THE RECOMMENDED TRAFFIC CALMING TREATMENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL FOR THEIR UH FOR YOUR APPROVAL AND YEAR TO UH IMPLEMENTATION OF A TRAFFIC CALMING TREATMENTS WOULD TAKE PLACE FOLLOWED BY EVALUATION. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE TRAFFIC CALMING REQUEST PROGRAM IS LIMITED TO LOCAL STREETS. THAT BEING SAID, IF THERE ARE OTHER SAFETY ISSUES ON NON-LOCAL STREETS THE CITY HAS OTHER PROGRAMS AND RESOURCES TO ADDRESS THOSE SAFETY CONCERNS . AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE'RE RECOMMENDING A PRIOR PRIORITIZATION CRITERIA THAT WILL ALLOW CITY STAFF TO PRIORITIZE REQUESTS WHERE COMMUNITY AND TRANSPORTATION NEEDS ARE GREATEST. SO THERE'S FIVE MAIN CRITERIA AND IT'S GENERALLY WEIGHTED FROM TOP OF THE SLIDE DOWNWARDS IN THE CRITERIA AND ENCOMPASSES TRAFFIC SAFETY AS IT RELATES TO PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLISTS, EQUITY COMMUNITY DESTINATIONS AND NUMBER OF PEOPLE. UH NOTABLY THAT CRITERIA DOES NOT INCLUDE UH SPEED SPEED DATA UH, I THINK WE WANT TO POINT OUT THAT NOT ALL LOCAL STREETS HAVE UH SPEED DATA COLLECTED AND SO IN THE INTEREST OF BEING ABLE TO PRIORITIZE UH, WE RECOMMEND UH DIFFERENT CRITERIA. HOWEVER IF THERE IS UM SPEED DATA FOR ALL LOCAL STREETS UNDER CONSIDERATION THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED AS BONUS CRITERIA. UH GENERAL FOR TRAFFIC CALMING OPTIONS UM THEY INCLUDE EFFECTIVENESS. SO HOW EFFECTIVE CAN A TRAFFIC CALMING TREATMENT REDUCE SPEEDS, REDUCE THE NUMBER OF CRASHES AND REDUCE THE SEVERITY OF CRASHES? COST IS A VERY IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION NOT JUST CAPITAL CONSTRUCTION BUT ALSO THE LONG TERM OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE OF THE TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICE. AND LASTLY OTHER CONSIDERATIONS RELATE TO EASE OF USE UH AND OTHER IMPACTS MAINTENANCE ADA ACCESSIBILITY IMPACTS TOICYCLISTS AND PEDESTANS AND ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS. SO WE'VE BROKEN THE TRAFFIC CALMING OPTIONS INTO TWO TIERS WITHIN OUR RECOMMENDED TOOLBOX . THE FIRST TIER INCLUDES PERMANENT AND UH TRIAL TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICES THAT ARE PRIMARILY VERTICAL. SO THAT INCLUDES SPEED CUSHIONS, SPEED HUMPS, SPEED TABLES AS WELL AS CURB EXTENSIONS AND NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC CIRCLES. THE SECOND TIER OF TRAFFIC CALMING OPTIONS WILL REQUIRE A GREATER STUDY AS THEY MAY HAVE IMPACTS ON A GREATER STREET NETWORK. WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THESE OPTIONS BE PAIRED WITH THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM AND FUNDED THROUGH THAT PROGRAM AND THE TIER TWO TRAFFIC CALMING OPTIONS CHICANES PARTIAL CLOSURES DIVERT ERS AS WELL AS CHOKERS OR PINCH POINTS FOR THE CHANGES TO THE TRAFFIC CALMING REQUEST PROGRAM. AGAIN WE'VE IDENTIFIED STRATEGIES THAT SUPPORT OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND I'LL QUICKLY GO THROUGH THOSE UM IN TERMS OF POLICY CODE AND PROCESS CHANGES WE'RE RECOMMENDING UM REMOVAL OF THE ISTING PETITION REQUIREMENT AND APPLICATION TO LOWER THE BURDEN FOR APPLICANTS AND WE RECOMMEND CHANGING THE FUNDING STRUCTURE FROM USING EXCLUSIVELY A SPECIAL TAX ASSESSMENT FOR PROPERTY OWNERS TO INCORPORATE OTHER FUNDING SOURCES AND AGAIN TO LOWER THE BURDEN ON APPLICANTS. WE'RE ALSO AGAIN RECOMMENDING THAT THE TRAFFIC CALMING REQUEST PROGRAM BE PAIRED WITH THEXISTING PAVEMT MANAGENT PROCESS. SO THIS SLIDE KIND OF SHOWS HOW IN YEAR ONE AND YEAR TWO UM HOW THE TRAFFIC CALMING REQUEST PROGRAM WOULD INTERFACE WITH WITH THE PUMP THE TAN BOXES SHOW THE SPECIFIC TOUCH POINTS. SO IN THE WINTER UH WOULD BE THE BEGINNING OF THE TRAFFIC CALMING PROCESS AND THE PRIOR PRIORITIZATION OF REQUESTS IN THE SPRING THERE WOULD BE A LOOK AHEAD NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING IN THE SUMMER THERE WOULD BE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY TO CONDUCT TRAFFIC CALMING TRIALS KIND OF TESTING DIFFERENT TRAFFIC CALMING TREATMENTS AND GETTING INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT WAY BEFORE COMMITTING TO A MORE PERMANENT TRAFFIC CALMING FEATURE. AND THEN IN THE FALL THERE WOULD BE A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING TO KIND OF DISCS THE COMMUNY NEEDS CONCERNS AND ANY ISSUES THAT THEY MAY HAVE WITH THE TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICE TRIAL. UM, WE'VE IDENTIFIED SEVERAL COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE RECOMMENDED TRAFFIC CALMING REQUEST PROGRAM AND THAT INCLUDES ADDITIONAL TWO COUNTERS FOR DATA COLLECTION ADDITIONAL PUBLIC WORKS VEHICLE AS WELL AS FUNDING PERMANENT AND TRIAL TRAFFIC CALMING TREATMENTS. UM, IN TERMS OF FUNDING SOURCES WE RECOMMEND THAT THE TIER ONE TRAFFIC CALMING TREATMENTS UTILIZE A MIX OF FUNDING SOURCES INCLUDING THE CITY COUNCIL STRATEGIC PRIORITIES, GENERAL FUNDING AND A REDUCED SPECIAL TAX ASSESSMENT. I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE TIER TWO TRAFFIC CALMING TREATMENTS BE FUNDED THROUGH THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM. UM DUE TO EQUITY CONSIDERATIONS WE RECOMMEND THAT TIER ONE TRAFFIC CALMING TREATMENTS IN AREAS PRIORITIZED FOR EQUITY BE FUNDED THROUGH CITY COUNCIL STRATEGIC PRIORITIES AND TO REALLY WAIVE THE SPECIAL TAX ASSESSMENT AND LOWER THE BURDEN FOR APPLICANTS. AND THAT FUNDING SOURCE WOULD ALSO BE USED FOR STAFF OR CALL IN TO CNTER COSTS. UM AS WITH THE SPEED LIMITS WE RECOMMEND A FUTURE EVALUATION AT THEIR PROJECT LEVEL. SO KIND OF EVALUATING THE BEFORE AND AFTER IMPACTS OF TRAFFIC CALMING TREATMENTS . SO WE WANT TO LOOK AT METRICS RELATED TO VEHICLE SPEEDS, VEHICLE VOLUMES, CRASH HISTORY AND PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE ACTIVITY AT THE PROGRAM LEVEL . UM, WE RECOMMEND PERFORMING THE EVALUATION OF THE PROGRAM WITHIN THREE YEARS AND MAKING ADJUSTMENTS AS NEEDED. UM, WE WANT TO ASSESS WHO IN THE COMMUNITY IS USING THE PROGRAM. YOU KNOW, IS THIS PROGRAM ACTUALLY ACCESSIBLE TO MORE PEOPLE AS WE STATED AS ONE OF OUR GOALS? WE WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE USING IT UH AS WELL AS ANY IMPACTS ON FUNDING AND STAFF RESOURCE IS AND GENERAL AWARENESS OF THE PROGRAM IN THE COMMUNITY. WE RECOMMEND A SERIES OF COMMUNICATION AND EDUCATION STRATEGIES. BROADLY SPEAKING, WE RECOMMEND A NEIGHBORHOOD BASED ENGAGEMENT APPROACH AS WELL AS UPDATING THE CITY WEBSITE TO INCLUDE A ONE STOP SHOP GUIDANCE SO THAT WHAT IS PROBABLY A PRETTY COMPLICATED PROCESS EASILY UNDERSTOOD BY EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY AND WE RECOMME USING A RANGE OF COMMUNICATION TOOLS TO INCREASE AWARENESS OF PROPOSED TRAFFIC CALMING TREATMENTS. SO THAT INCLUDES A PLAIN LANGUAGE GUIDE YARD SIGNS, SIDEWALK DETAILS AS WELL AS NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS AND COMMUNITY EVENTS. SO NEXT STEPS WE'RE HERE BEFORE THE COMMISSION TO RECOMMEND ACCEPTANCE OF THE REVISED NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION THAT WOULD THEN BE PROVIDED TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION. AND THIS SITE INCLUDES A RECOMMENDED MOTION AND I LOOK FORWARD TO OUR DISCUSSION. THANK YOU. QUESTION FOR STAFF AND CONSULTANT. COMMISSIONER CURRY THANK YOU. CHAIR. WHAT CONSIDERATION HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ROAD STRIPING FOR TRAFFIC CALMING SO NEARING SORRY MR. CHAIRMAN. COMMISSIONER CURRY. KIRK ROBERTS TRAFFIC AND TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER SO STRIPING ALONE ON A LOCAL STREET JUST ADDING STRIPING WITHOUT SOME PHYSICAL CHANGES HAS HAD ZERO EECT ON TRAIC SPEEDS OR VOLUM. IT JUST HAS REALLY LITERALLY NO EFFECT ON THAT. SO IT'S AN OPTION THAT WE ADDED TO THE TOOLBOX. MR. GLASSMAN THANK YOU. I APOLOGIZE. I WASN'T AT THE MEETING IN APRIL BUT ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD WAS REALLY AROUND THE LINE ITEM THAT TALKED ABOUT VARIABLE MESSAGE BOARDS AND I GUESS THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS REALLY WHAT SCENARIOS WOULD A VARIABLE MESSAGE BOARD BE USED ON LOCAL STREETS? ARE THEY WOULD THEY BE LIT 24 SEVEN JUST KIND OF WALK ME THROUGH THAT. YES COMMISSIONER. SO THE VARIABLE MESSAGE BOARDS WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE DEPLOYED ON LOCAL STREETS. IT WOULD THEY WOULD BE DEPLOYED AT AT THE ONSET OF THE CHANGES IN WHEN THE SPEED LIMITS ARE IMPLEMENTED AND THEY WOULD BE POSTED AT GATEWAY LOCATIONS AT THE CITY AND YOU KNOW, MAJOR THOROUGHFARES. IT'S MORE OF A A PERIOD OF AWARENESS OF THE CHANGES TO SPEED LIMITS MUCH LIKE YOU SEE IN CONSTRUCTION SITES WHERE THE SPEED LIMIT IS REDUCED IF ONLY SO THERE WOULD BE TEMPORARY LEAVE AT A LOCATION JUST TO BRING AWARENESS IT WOULDN'T BE A PERMANENT CORRECT. GOTCHA. OKAY. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER CURRY SO IT LOOKS LIKE YOU GUYS ARE ADDRESSING TAX ASSESSMENTS BY HAVING LOW INCOME AREAS AS NOT YOU DON'T HAVE TO KNOW YOU'RE NOT GOING TO ASSESS TAXES IN LOW INCOME AREAS. HOW IS LOW INCOME DEFINED OR HOW YOU DEFINING THOSE AREAS? DO YOU WANT TO PEEL? CHAIRMAN COMMISSIONER CURRY WHAT WE LOOKED AT WAS A GRANT PROGRAM THAT WOULD HELP THOSE AREAS BASICALLY IF THE MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD FOR A BLOCK GROUP A CENS BLOCK GROUP CURRENTLY IS $80,582 IS OR THE POVERTY LEVEL IS GREATER THAN 8% AND SO THOSE ARE GOING TO CHANGE ANNUALLY. SO THAT IS THIS YEAR'S NUMBER AND WE WILL CALCULATE IT EVERY YEAR TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KNOW WHAT IT IS. SO IF THAT STREET THAT CENSUS BLOCK HAS AN AVERAGE MEDIAN INCOME BELOW THAT VALUE OR THE POVERTY LEVEL IS ABOVE 8% OF THAT CENSUS BLOCK BASED ON THE DATA WE HAVE THAT IS WHEN THAT WOULD GET TRIGGERED. FOLLOW U QUESTIO IS IS THERE ANY SORT OF I GUESS HOW DOES WELL, I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN I'M NOT THE EXPERT I SUPPOSE BUT DOES THAT HAVE HAVE YOU BASICALLY PROVEN OUT THAT THAN PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST ABOVE THAT LEVEL CAN AFFORD TO PAY FOR TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES OR DO WE KNOW THAT YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT MISSING AN ENTIRE SEGMENT OF THE POPULATION THAT'S JUST ABOVE THAT? CHAIRWOMAN COMMISSIONER CURRY WE DON'T KNOW THAT. THAT'S WHY AS PART OF THE PROCESS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE EVALUATION SO THAT WE CAN RELOOK AT THE DATA. WE'VE ALSO DONE A RACIAL EQUITY IMPACT ASSESSMENT SO THERE ARE A BUNCH OF UNKNOWNS THAT WE DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW. WE DON'T HAVE THE DATA FOR BUT WE'RE TAKING OUR BEST SWING AT IT AND WE MIGHT STRIKE OUT OR WE MIGHT HIT A HOME RUN OR WE MIGHT GET A DOUBLE. SO WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND THEN REEVALUATE IT BECAUSE I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT WE KNOW BUILDING ON THAT JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THOSE AREAS THAT YOU IDENTIFY AND THE GRANT PROGRAM, WOULD THAT APPLY TO SINGLE FAMILY HOMEOWNERS OR MULTIFAMILY PROPERTIES OR WOULD IT APPLY TO ALL IT WOULD APPLY TO ALL OWNERS? THANKS FOR THE DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER CURRY. SORRY. THANK YOU CHAIR. WE JUST DEFINED IT AS PROPERTY OWNERS. WHAT ABOUT RENTERS DO WE NOT? I MEAN ARE WE JUST SURVEYING THE OWNERS AND NOT THEENTERS OR THE CHAIRWOMAN? COMMISSIONER CURRY OUR APPLICATION PROCESS IF YOU ARE A RENTER YOU CAN APPLY FOR THE PROGRAM WHEN WE GET TO THE ASSESSMENT OF THE ACTUAL IMPLEMENTATION OF THE TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICES, WE CANNOT ASSESS RENTER LEGALLY. WE HAVE TO ASSESS A PROPERTY OWNER. SO THE ASSESSMENT WOULD ONCE WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS GO TO THE PROPERTY OWNER. OTHER QUESTIONS? YES SIR. THANK YOU, CHAIR. SO JUST AT ENGAGEMENT AND BRINGING EVERYBODY INTO YOU KNOW, PEOPLE FROM THE CITY INTO THE DISCUSSION, I JUST DON'T I MEAN I LOOK AT THE SURVEY RESPONSES AND 92% OF THE ARE WHITE AND TWO THIRDS ARE FEMALE. I MEAN I JUST WONDER ARE WE GOING TO DEVIATE FROM THE THAT LIKE IF WE RUN THE SAME IDEAS THROUGH OUR HEADS THAT GOT US THROUGH THIS PROCESS DO WE JUST END UP WITH THE SAME RESULTS IN TERMS OF ENGAGING THE CITY? CHAIRWOMAN COMMISSIONER CURRY THOSE WERE THE SURVEY RESULTS FOR PHASE TWO. OUR PHASE ONE SURVEY RESULTS WHICH YOU DON'T HAVE BEFORE YOU DID SHOW A LITTLE BETTER DEMOGRAPHIC SPLIT WE HIT SOME DIFFERENT DIVERSE POPULATIONS AND I THINK IT WAS MORE MALE FEMALE SPLIT THAN THIS SECOND PHASE WAS. BUT WE DID STRUGGLE ON PHASE TWO REACHING THE POPULATIONS TO GET A REPRESENTATIVE GROUP OF THE ACROSS THE CITIES. COMMISSIONER GOLDSON THANK YOU CHAIR COULD YOU PULL UP THE SLIDE WITH THE POP UP EVENTS THAT YOU HAD JUST TO GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT ON OUR OUTREACH OBVIOUSLY SURVEYS ONE DATA POINT I'M JUST LOOKING TO SEE WHAT OTHER POP UP EVENTS THAT WERE PUT IN PLACE OH THANK YOU. EITHER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ONE QUESTION AND IT'S IT'S MORE OF A PROCESS REMINDER THIS IF I REMEMBER WAS ONE PIECE OF A MULTI PIECE UPDATE TO OUR OUR TRAFFIC IN EVENTUALLY WITH SOME OF OUR OUR STREET POLICIES AND OTHER TO MY ACCURATE WITH THAT OR AM I WISHFUL THINKING AT CHAIR ROOM AND I UNFORTUNATELY I BELIEVE YOUR WISHFUL THINKING. OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN HAD MULTIPLE THINGS SO IT HAD THE SPEED LIMIT IN THERE IT HAD THE TRAFFIC CALMING SO THAT MAY BE WHERE SOME OF THE CONFUSION IS COMING IN BUT AS FAR AS THE UPDATE TO OUR 22 TRACK STREET POLICIES, THAT'S NOT ACTIVELY PART OF THIS THAT IS NOT CURRENTLY PART OF THIS. BUT YOU COULD AMEND YOUR MOTION THIS TIME BUT I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A PUBLIC COMMENT AND SO AT THIS TIME I WOULD OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AND I, I SUPPOSE STAFF ARE ALSO PUBLIC ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC AND THE CHAMBER WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM OR OFFER COMMENT ON THIS ITEM AND I DO NOT SEE ANYBODY ONLINE EITHER. SO YOU'RE WELCOME. THIS I WOULD INVITE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD SO MOVED SECOND THANK YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I OPPOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS CLOSED DISCUSSION ON THE PLAN SLASH RECOMMENDATION . KUSHNER GOTTESMAN I'LL START THANKS FIRST OF ALL THANK YOU STAFF FOR DOING SUCH A GREAT JOB AND CONSULTANTS OF JUST THE ANALYSIS I KNOW THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON IS A LARGE CITY AND WE'VE GOT LOTS OF ROADS AND LOTS OF NEIGHBORHOODS AND SO I KNOW IT'S A LOT OF WORK TO THINK ABOUT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS AND DIFFERENT CONDITIONS THAT ARE RESIDENTS AREEEING. THE THE FIRST THING THAT I CAME TO MY MIND IS, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY SAFETY OF OUR RESIDENTS IS NUMBER ONE AND AS YOU SHOWED IN THE SLIDE DECK THAT IS FASTER SPEEDS EQUATE TO DIRE RESULTS WITH A CRASH OR A COLLISION SO GOING SLOWER IN THEORY IS GOING BETTER. HOWEVER I THINK WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL T GO TOO SLOW OR TOO FAST AND THERE NEEDS TO BE A GIVE AND TAKE. SO BASED ON THE ANALYSIS THAT STAFF DID, YOU KNOW I THINK 25 IS APPROPRIATE AND ALSO LIKE THAT WE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO GO LOWER IN THOSE AREAS THAT ARE REALLY CRITICAL AND THEN PAIRED WITH THOSE TRAFFIC TEAMING OPTIONS, YOU KNOW PUTTING IN A TRAFFIC CIRCLE A 25 WOULD ACTUALLY SLOW THEM DOWN EVEN FURTHER. SO I THINK THAT PAIRING THOSE TWO MAKES SENSE. THE LAST COMMENT THAT I JUST HAD HERE IS THAT WHEN I STARTED IN THE FIVE YEARS AGO I REMEMBER WE HAD A APPLICATION BEFORE US WHERE THE SPEED CAME AND WE WERE TOLD WE DIDN'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE THESE TYPES DECISIONS. SO IT'S NICE TO SEE THAT AS OF IT'S UP TO 2019 THAT WE NOW HAVE THE AUTHORITY AS A CITY TO REALLY MAKE A DECISION FOR OURSELVES OF WHAT WE WANT OUR SPEEDS TO BE. I'M REALLY INTERESTED TO SEE YOU KNOW AS OTHER CITIES ADOPT CHANGES WHAT HAVE THE IMPACTS BEEN? I KNOW EDUCATION IS A BIG PIECE YOU KNOW AN IS ANOTHER PIECE BUT I ALWAYS THINK ABOUT HOW DO YOU ENFORCE AND SO THE RESULTS OBVIOUSLY SAFER CITIES, SAFER NEIGHBORHOODS BUT THEN ALSO YOU KNOW WITH THE ENFORCEMENT OF SPEEDING THAT CARRIES A LOAD ON OUR ON OUR POLICE FORCE AS WELL. SO I'M REALLY INTERESD TO SEE WHAT OTH CITIES SAY AND I KNOW WE'LL SEE THE TRAFFIC TEAM IN THE ENGINEER'S BACK. SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE RESULTS AND YEARS AFTER I LEAVE THE COMMISSION. THANK YOU. ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER CAPTAIN. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I I HAVE TO SAY I'M DISHEARTENED THIS EVENING. WHERE IS EVERYBODY? THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT THING AND IT AFFECTS EVERY RESIDENT IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON. AND IT REMINDS ME OF AN APPLICATION WE HAD NOT SO LONG AGO ABOUT WHATEVER WAS IRRELEVANT. THERE'S NOBODY HERE AND I DON'T KNOW WHY AND MAYBE I'M JUST GOING TO HOPE IT'S BECAUSE THE VIKINGS ARE WRONG AND THEY'D RATHER BE AT HOME DOING THAT AND THAT WILL FILL THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS DURING THE CITY COUNCIL. BUT PEOPLE SHOULD BE HERE AND IT DOES DISAPPOINT ME THAT THERE'S NOBODY ONLINE AND THERE'S NOBODY IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AND I WISH THERE WAS BECAUSE THIS IS IMPORTANT IN REGARDS TO MY COMMENTS I'LL JUST STICK TO THE SPEED LIMIT THING. I'M IFAVOR OF EVERHING SE. I DON'T THINK THERE'S MUCH CONTROVERSY THERE SO I'LL TO THE SPEED LIMIT THING AND I MUST SAY I'M TORN ON IT BECAUSE YOU KNOW THE DATA THAT WE WE ASKED FOR DOESN'T SHOW MUCH THAT WE NEED TO DO THIS WE KNOW THAT FOLKS ALREADY DRIVE 25 MILES AN HOUR ON 30 MILE IN OUR STREETS AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING MAYBE I'M INCORRECT BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING WE DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH PEOPLE GETTING STRUCK BY VEHICLES AND THAT WE KNOW THAT PEOPLERIVE THE SPEED LIMIT OF THEI SURROUNDINGS. IT'S IT'S ABOUT ARE THERE CARS PARKED THERE? HOW TIGHT IS YOUR STREETS? IS THERE A CURVE IN THE ROAD? THAT'S WHAT INFLUENCES HOW PEOPLE DRIVE NOT WITH THE SPEED LIMIT. AS HONESTLY AS SOMEBODY CAME TO ME THREE MONTHS AGO AND SAID DID YOU KNOW THE SPEED LIMIT WAS ACTUALLY 25 MILES AN HOUR IN BLOOMINGTON? I WOULD HAVE BELIEVED THEM. I WOULD HAVE NO. AND SO I'M TORN BECAUSE THERE'S NO REASON NOT TO DO IT. LIKE I AGREE WITH YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER GOLTZMAN AND THAT'S LOWER SPEEDS YOU KNOW ARE GOING TO THAT'S A LESS DANGEROUS ACCIDENT. BUT AT THE SAME TIME I DON'T THINK THEPEED LIMIT SIG INFLUENCES HOW PEOPLE DRIVE. AND SO ALTHOUGH NO REASON NOT TO DO IT, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A REASON TO DO IT. AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M KIND OF TORN IS HOW DO WE MAKE A DECISION WHEN THERE'S REALLY NOTHING PUSHING US IN THE DIRECTION TO DO IT BASED ON THE DATA WE'VE RECEIVED? WHAT I AM ENCOURAGED BY IS THAT WE ARE GOING TO DO A COMPREHENSIVE EVALUATION AND PUT THE DATA IN IT AND LEAVE IT THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON TO BE A LEADER ON THIS AND OTHER CITIES CAN FOLLOW WHAT WEO BECAUSE WE'LL SHOW WHAT THE DATA IS AND HELP OTHER CITIES MAKE THEIR DECISION. I WISH OTHER CITIES WOULD TAKE THE LEAD TYPE OF LEADERSHIP THAT WE DO HERE IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, I THINK I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS APPLICATION WITH MALICE. I DON'T MIND IF WE CHANGE THE SPEED LIMIT TO 25 MILES AN HOUR. IT SOUNDS LIKE I ALREADY DRIVE 25 MILES AN HOUR THAT THAT'S NOT A BIG DEAL FOR ME. I THINK IT'S ABOUT WE JUST NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT SPENDING TAXPAYER DOLLARS EVEN IF IT'S A SMALL AMOUNT ON THINGS THAT WE DON'T HAVEATA TO BACK UP FOR. AND SO THAT'S WHERE I AM. I'M PROBABLY AGAINST IT BUT WITH WITH NO MALICE. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CURRY. THANK YOU CHAIR. SO I GUESS I DON'T KNOW MAYBE THE ONLY PERSON IN THE WORLD THAT PAYS ATTENTION TO STRIPING BUT IF I SEE YOU KNOW A BIKE SIGN ON THE ROAD OR YOU KNOW, WIDE LANES ON THE SIDE THAT SAY THERE'S PEDESTRIANS THAT MIGHT BE IN THE AREA OR BIKES IN THE AREA LIKE I DO DRIVE SLOWER SO. I ALSO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER COOKTOWN AND THAT I MEAN I THOUGHT SPEED LIMITS WERE 25 MILES AN HOUR MYSELF SO I DRIVE LESS THAN 25 MILES AN HOUR IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SO I GUESS I MEAN IN GENERAL I'M KIND OF FRUSTRATED BECAUSE LIKE I SAID THE ENGAGEMENT IS VERY SKEWED, VERY LITTLE DIVERSITY IN IT. I THINK FRANKLY ANY COST TO A TAXPAYER TO INSTALL SOME SORT OF WHAT DO YOU CALL IT I DON'T KNOW TRAFFIC CALMING IS A DISINCENTIVE TO DO IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. SO YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THREE THINGS THAT WERE SENT HERE TODAY THREE LETTERS FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE CONCERNED. I GUESS IT'S TWO OF THEM BUT TWO LETTERS FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SPEED LIMITS BEING TOO HIGH. AND I THINK A LOT OF IT WHEN I READ THESE THEY READ TO ME LIKE PEOPLE ARE JUST NOT PAYING ATTENTION. THERE'S JUST NO AWARENESS. SO AGAIN, I MEAN I JUS KIND OF GO BACK TO AWARENESS AND JUST WARNINGS THAT HEY IF WE TRY TO KEEP PEOPLE IN THEIR LANES THAT MIGHT KIND OF MIGHT BE A MORE COST EFFECTIVE WAY TO MANAGE TRAFFIC SPEEDS THAN JUST POSTING A SIGN. SO I DON'T KNOW I GUESS I'M NOT THE BIGGEST FAN OF THE PROPOSAL DUE TO SOMEWHAT OF THE ENGAGEMENT LEVEL. I THINK COULD HAVE A MORE COST EFFECTIVE WAY OF MANAGING IT MANAGING IT. I DO TNK THE STRIPING DOES MAKE SOME SORT OF A DIFFERENCE . SO YEAH, THAT'S WHERE I STAND . I'D SAY IT'S AN INTERESTING PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT TO DO OR NOT TO DO. THINK GENERALLY AGAIN GIVEN THAT FACT THAT IS SEEMS LIKE WHAT PEOPLE ARE DRIVING I DON'T THINK THERE'S A DOWNSIDE TO DOING IT. AND I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS OF THE COST, IF YOU JUST TAKE OUT JUST THE COST OF THE IT WAS LIKE 40 SIGNS OR SOMETHING AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE CITY IF THAT'S REALLY ALL THE ACTUAL COST AND LOWERING IT IS 25. IT'S NOT THAT BIG OF A THING IN THERE. IN FACT WE PROBABLY REPLACE THOSE SIGNS EVERY MANY YEARS ANYWAYS TO THE POINT OF WHETHER IT'S ABOUT HOW TO SLOW PEOPLE DOWN, WHETHER IT'S AND IT'S INTERESTING THE QUESTION ABOUT WHO SHOULD PAY FOR TRAFFIC CALMING AND IS THAT THE RIGHT THING AND THE COMMENTS WE HAVE IS A FANTASTIC OPPORTUNITY FOR ME TO WEIGH IN ON IT IS IT'S ABOUT HOW WE DESIGN OUR STREETS AND IT'S ABOUT YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DO REBUILD THE STREETS WE ARE VERY CONSCIOUS OF OF THE COST OF THAT TO THE CITY AND THE COST OF THAT TO THE TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY. AND I THINK THAT'S BEEN A VERY HIGH PRIORITY FOR THE CITY AND I THINK PEOPLE THAT BUT WHAT THAT LEADS TO IS THAT IN ORDER TO CONTAIN COSTS, IF A CURB IS IN PERFECTLY GOOD SHAPE WE JUST MAKE THE ROAD EXACTLY THE SAME WHEN WE REBUILD IT AND THAT AND THAT'S NOT IT' NOT KNOCK ON THE STAFF SAYING THAT IS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT OUR POLICY SAYS WE DO. AND SO YOUR POINT IF SOME OF THE WHO PAYS FOR TRAFFIC CALMING OR YOU KNOW I KNOW EVEN IN OUR STRATEGIC CITY STRATEGIC PLAN THERE IS SPECIFIC STUFF IN THERE ABOUT SIDEWALKS WHICH EVERYONE KNEW THAT WAS GOING TO GET TO. BUT I THINK IT'S A IT BEGS THE QUESTION OF TO THE POINT OF HOW DO WE APPROACH THIS? WE PROBABLY APPROACH THIS BY RETHINKING WHAT OUR STREETS ARE IN THE FIRST PLACE AND WHAT IS AS A CITY WHAT DO WE SAY OUR STANDARD IS NOW FOR STREETS OUR STANDARD IN 2002 WAS THIS AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE OPERATING UNDER NOW WELL WE'RE A DIFFERENT IMANY WAYS INANY WAYS WE'REOT BUT THE PEOPLE IN OUR CITY ARE DIFFERENT. THEY WERE 20 YEARS AGO IN SOME WAYS THE PRIORITIES OF THE PEOPLE ARE SHIFTING. THEY'RE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE MORE INTERESTED IN BIKING OUR WALKING IS DRASTICALLY SHIFTED THANHEN THE CITY WAS BUILT IN THE FIFTIES SIXTIES AND SEVENTIES AND SO AGAIN NONE OF THIS IS IS WRONG OR BAD. I JUST THINK WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE THIS IS ONE PIECE OF OF WHAT MORE SHOULD COME AND SO IN THIS I AM VERY SUPPORTIVE THE SCHOOL ZONE ITEM WITH OR WITHOUT THE 25 I THINK THE SCHOOL ZONE THAT IS LISTED AS A CONSIDER I THINK IT'S SHOULD BE A DO AND AGAIN GIVEN THAT THE ACTUAL OF THE 25 IS FAIRLY LOW, THERE ARE OTHER PIECES OF THERE IN THERE THAT ARE SUGGESTED THERE ARE COSTS BUT E ACTUAL COS TO GO TO 25 ITSELF IS IS PRETTY MINIMAL. I'M OKAY WITH THAT BUT I WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE I DON'T KNOW HOPE HOPE IS ON A STRATEGY THAT'S BEEN MY STRATEGY FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS. BUT I THINK THIS IS THE TIME IF WE ARE ADOPTING THIS AND THESE ARE OUR PRIORITIES AND VALUES I THINK THIS IS THE TIME TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT COULD FIT IN A WORK PLAN TO REVISIT AND MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AROUND OUR STREETS POLICY. SO GENERALLY SPEAKING I CAN I CAN SUPPORT THIS RECOMMENDATION OTHER DISCUSSION COME. COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. FIRST I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE CITY STAFF AND CONSULTANT FOR PUTTING TOGETHER THIS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. I KNOW MY REQUEST WAS AROUND THE COST AND I TOO AM STRUGGLING WITH A DO OR DON'T REGARDING DECREASING THE SPEED LIMIT TO 25. I THINK PEOPLE DRIVE THE SPEED LIMIT THAT THEY FEEL COMFORTABLE DRIVING IN AND THAT WHATEVE MONEYHAT COULD BE SAVED EVEN IF IT'S A LITTLE BIT I THINK SHOULD BE DIRECTED TOWARDS I AGREE WITH CHAIR ROMANS IDEA OF ADDING IN IT ADDING IN THE SCHOOL ZONE SHOULD BE ABSOLUTELY SUBTLY CHANGED AND I THINK ADDITIONAL EDUCATION WITHOUT NECESSARILY DECREASING THE SPEED LIMIT MIGHT WORK FINE. I MEAN YOU CAN DO ALL OF THOSE THINGS AND THEN JUST LET PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THE SPEED LIMIT IS IF THEY'RE ALREADY GOING 25 FEELS LIKE IT DOES. IT'S NOT COMPLETELY IN OUR SOCIETY TO CHANGE IT TO OFFICIALLY MAKE IT 25 IT FEELS LIKE THAT MONEY COULD BETTER SPENT IN TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES OR TO TEST OUT SOME TRAFFIC CALMING. I TOO AM A BIT CONFLICTED BY THIS BECAUSE AND WE ALSO JUST HAVE SOME, YOU KNOW, LETTERS FROM THE COMMUNITY SAYING THAT THEY WANT IT TO BE 20. I JUST I AM REALLY I KIND OF GO I'M GOING BACK AND FORTH ON THIS ONE BECAUSE I I DO REALLY BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO CALM THE TRAFFIC ON OUR LOCAL STREETS PARTICULARLY BECAUSE OF THE WAY THA THETREETS E DESIGNED. HOWEVER, I THINK PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DRIVE THE WAY THAT THEY DRIVE AND I DON'T THINK NECESSARILY GOING DOWN TO 25 IS GOING TO HAVE THE IMPACT. UM THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR HERE SO I STRUGGLE TOO. THANK YOU CHAIR. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK ABOUT WITH THIS IS ENFORCEMENT WRITING THIS DOWN SO I KEEP MY OF TUGHT. SO ENFORCEMENT IS ONE THING. THE OTHER THING I THINK ABOUT IS RISK, RIGHT? SO RISK OF INJURY, RISK OF FATALITY AND IF WE CAN SPEND NOT TO SAY THAT WE WANT SPEND NILLY BUT $30,000 TO PREVENT A TRAGIC ACCIDENT AS A COMMUNITY I'M OKA WITH THA. I ALSO LOOK AT ENFORCEMENT FROM BP OR BLOOMINGTON POLICE OF SAYING IF SOMETHING HAPPENED AT 25 I'VE POSTED THERE'S A LOT MORE IT'S A LOT MORE CLEAR CUT AS A CITY IF IT'S 25 ACROSS THE BOARD AND IF THEY'RE GOING 35 I'M TRYING TO TRY TO MAKE SURE I SAY THIS THE RIGHT WAY IF SOMEBODY IS GOING 35 AND A 25 AND THERE'S A TRAGIC ACCIDENT, THEY'RE GOING TEN MILES OVER THE SPEED LIMIT WHICH IS MORE EGREGIOUS THAN GOING FIVE MILES OVER THE SPEED LIMIT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT RISK. LEAVE IT AT THAT. COMMISSIONER COOKSON. THANKS, MR. AND COMMISSIONER ALSO I KNOW YOU MISSED A SDY SSION SO IF I COULD REPLY TO THAT IF IF YOU'D ALLOW ME AND I YOU KNOW I LIKE YOU I MEAN THIS TOTALLY RESPECTFULLY. ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT IN THAT STUDY SESSION WAS IF YOU LOWER IT SO MUCH YOU GET ALMOST LIKE A PUSHBACK LIKE PEOPLE JUST AREN'T GOING TO FOLLOW IT BECAUSE IT'S SO RIDICULOUS AND YOU KNOW WHY NOT SET THE SPEED LIMIT AT FIVE MILES AN HOUR THEN WE'RE NEVER GOING TO HAVE A TRAGIC ACCIDENT RIGHT? WELL, THAT'S NOT THE WAY PEOPLE DRIVE. AND SO IN A PERFECT WORLD I TOTALLY WITH YOU IF WE ALL LIKE IF OUR CARS JUST FOLLOWED THE SPEED LIMIT I WOULD BE MUCH MORE IN FAVOR OF YEAH THERE'S 25 BECSE WE COULD REDU SOME ACCIDENT POTENTIAL BUT UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S JUST NOT THE WAY IT WORKS AND I THINK PEOPLE WE KNOW THAT PEOPLE THE WAY THEIR SURROUNDINGS MAKE THEM FEEL COMFORTABLE TO DRIVE ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER CORY ALL RIGHT, SO I THANKOU CHAIRO I GUESS I SHOULD SAY THAT I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THE REDUCTION IN SPEED. I THINK 25 IS JUST A NATURAL THING SINCE WE'RE SAYING TWO THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD DRIVE ANYWAYS I'M MORE CONCERNED WITH THE ENGAGEMENT WITHIN THE CITY AND GENERALLY THAT THERE'S NO AWARENESS LIKE THERE'S PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED THE WRITINGS THAT WE'VE SEEN, THE TWO THAT WE'VE GOT FROM THE PUBLIC, OUR CONCERN WITH GENERAL AWARENESS WHEN PEOPLE ARE DRIVING AND THAT THE ONLY TRAFFIC CALMING OPTIONS COST MONEY FOR THE TAXPAYER IS DIRECTLY INVOLD I AND THOSE OF US WHO'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS I THINK THE ENGAGEMENT AND AWARENESS IS ALWAYS A CHALLENGE AND YOU KNOW WE HAVE A STAFF WHO IS THERE'S A JOB TO TO DO SOME OF THIS AND I THINK THEY DO GOOD WORK AND IT'S LIKE ISSUES UNLESS IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE OR IT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT IT'S EASY TO TO IGNORE. I MEAN EVEN I KNOW I, I SUBSCRIBED CERTAIN ALERTS FROM THE CITY AND I DON'T SUBSCRIBE TO OTHERS AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S GOOD OR BAD. IT JUST MEANS THAT THAT'S WHERE I CHOOSE TO PUT MY FOCUS. AND SO I TNK YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER COOK , THEY MADE A POINT YOU KNOW YOU KNOW, NOBODY I REMEMBER WE SAT HERE LAST DECEMBER WHEN THE AND BUT I KNOW IT'S A TOPIC OF GREAT TO COMMISSIONER CURRY WE HAD THE SINGLE FAMILY ZONING AND SAME THING WE HAD ONE PERSON ONE PERSON ON THE TOPIC AND AND SO THIS IS YOU KNOW FOR BETTER OR FOR WORSE THIS IS THIS IS WHERE WE ARE AND IN THE NATURE OF PEOPLE'S ENGAGEMENT IN COMMUNITY AND IN GOVERNMENT AND I THINK WE DO HAVE PEOPLE I THINK WHORE TRYING TO MAKE IT BETTER AND THEY AND I THINK YOU KNOW, WE SEE THE PLACES THAT THEY'RE AFTER THE POP UP EVENTS AND AND I THINK THEY'RE YOU KNOW, TRIED TO REACH DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY AND IT'S JUST THE REALITY OF , YOU KNOW, WE DO OUR BEST. WE OFFER OPPORTUNITIES AS THERE BE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO DO THAT. TO COMMENT ON THIS AT THE CITY COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY NOTHING IS EVER PERFECT BUT WE'VE DONE THE BEST WE CAN AND IT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T STRIVE TO DO BETTER. BUT I HEAR YOU AND YOUR YOU'RE RIGHT COMMISSIONER COOK IS RIGHT. YOU KNOW THESE ARE IF EVERYONE WAS ENGAGED AS THE SIX PEOPLE THEN WE WOULD HAVE A VERY DIFFERENT CITY. FOR BETTER OR FOR WORSE. COMMISSIONER COOKED IN . THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I'LL PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF CRITICAL FEEDBACK FOR CITY STAFF ON THIS ONE AND I REALLY THINK HAVE A TERRIFIC CITY STAFF. FAR BE IT FOR ME TO CRITICIZE THEM REALLY EVER BUT I THINK ONE MAYBE REASON WE'RE NOT SEEING FOLKS HERE IS THIS ITEM IS CALLED NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND IT WAS MIXED IN WITH A BUNCH OF OTHER STUFF AND I THINK THERE WAS A REASON FOR THAT BUT I THINK THE SPEED LIMIT THING SHOULD HAVE BEEN BROKEN OUT AND THIS ITEM SHOULD HAVE BEEN REDUCED THE SPEED LIMIT TO 25 MILES AN HOUR. I THINK THAT JUMPS OFF THE PAGE SIGNIFICANT MORE TO SAY IN SOME OF THESE INBOX AND NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE AN OPTION TO CHANGE THAT FOR THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING. MAYBE THAT'S A FORMAL NAME AND THAT CAN'T BE CHANGED BUT IF THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO THAT AGENDA IS PROBABLY SAID TO BUT IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE BRANDING OF THIS SOMEH TO INCREASE ENGAGENT I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF AND I THINK BECAUSE I HYPOTHESIZING THAT THAT MAY BE ONE REASON WHY PEOPLE AREN'T HERE AND I THINK TO IT'S A GOOD IT'S A GOOD POINT AND HOW WE TITLE THINGS TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THIS SPECIFIC ITEM THIS IS ON MONDAY'S COUNCIL MEETING AND KNOW I RECEIVED THE AGENDA AN EMAIL TODAY SO THAT AGENDA HAS BEEN PUBLISHED FORGIVE ME MR. CHAIR I THOUGHT WE DIDN'T DO IT THAT WAY. I THOUGHT WE ALWAYS HAD FOUR ITEMS THAT FOR MOST ITEMS WHERE WE HAVE A DEBATE YEAH THIS IS INTERESTING BECAUSE WE USUALLY IT FOLLOWS USUALLY TEN DAYS LATER. IS THAT BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THIS BEING A PUBLIC COMMENT VERSUS A HEARING? IS THAT WHY CHAIRMAN COMMISSION THE REASON THAT THAT IS HAPPENING IS BECAUSE THE CONSULTANT WASN'T AVAILABLE AT THE LATER MEETING AND BECAUSE WE'RE MOVING IN OCTOBER IN THE ASSESSMENTS SEASON WE WERE TRYING TO GET ITN AND IIDN'T REALIZE THAT THERE NEEDED TO BE MORE OF A GAP. CAN CERTAINLY POSTPONE THE ITEM ON COUNCIL TO OCTOBER IF YOU WOULD LIKE. LET ME ASK STAFF IS THAT NAME CHANGE POSSIBLE THE AGENDA TITLE THAT TALKING ABOUT THE AGENDA WELL I WOULD NEED TO CONSULT WITH SOMEONE BECAUSE IT WAS CITY COUNCIL WHO DEVELOPED THE TITLE OF THE PROGRAM AND ASKED FOR THOSE THINGS TO BE IN THERE NOW THEY IT WASN'T EXACTLY THEIR WORDS BUT THEY WANTED A COMPREHEND OF IT LOOK AND NOT JUST A SPEED LIMIT EVALUATION THEY IT WHEN THEY ALLOCATED THE BUDGET FOR THE HIRING OF THE CONSULTANT THEY WANTED IT TO BE MORE COMPREHENSIVE. SO WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF WE CAN HAVE AN ALTERNATE TITLE SO THANK YOU. TH ISHIS IS AOOD DISCUSSION I THINK FOR ME I THINK THE DATA WE DID HAVE WHICH SUGGESTED THAT MOST WERE DRIVING IN THE RANGE OF 25 WHETHER WE HAVE DIRECT FEEDBACK FROM PEOPLE OR NOT AGAIN DIRECT FEEDBACK PEOPLE IN PERSON ALWAYS PREFERABLE OR ONLINE ALWAYS PREFERABLE. BUT THE DATA WE DO HAVE SUGGESTS THAT THIS IS NOT A A BURDEN ON PEOPLE TO MAKE THIS CHANGE. AND SO I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF GIVING IT A TRY AGAIN, WE'VE GOT THE THREE YEAR COMMITMENT TO A THREE YEAR EVALUATION. WORST CASE SCENARIO IN MY OPINION IS IN THREE YEARS OR LESS IF SOMETHING GO WELL IT GOES BACK TO 30 BUT THE CITIES WHERE I'VE BEEN WHERE I THINK THIS IS ACTUALLY PART OF WHAT WILL BE HELPFUL BECAUSE WHAT'S I THINK NOT HELPFUL IF YOU DRIVE INTO A CITY A AND IT'S 30 YOU DRIVE IN A CITY BE ON THE SAME STREET AND IT'S 25 YOU DRIVE IN THE CITY SEE AND IT MIGHT BE 30 OR IT MIGHT BE 20 SO WELL I APPRECIATE THE GOALS OF WHAT THE STATE DID BY FREEING SOME OF THAT UP I THINK MY INSTIT IS ANDHE REALITY IS 25 IS PROBABLY GOING TO BECOME THE STANDARD IN THE METRO AREA SUBURBS ALREADY IS IN THE COURSE ACTUALLY IN THE CITY OF I THINK IT'S 20 AND SO 25 IS NOT I THINK I THINK IT WILL BECOME MORE THE STANDARD I KNOW WHENEVER A TIME WHEN I LIVED IN WISCONSIN THAT WAS THE STANDARD ON LOCAL STREETS AND THAT WAS JUST THE WAY IT WAS EVERYWHERE AND SO I GUESS GIVEN THAT THE DATA WE DO HAVE THAT SUGGESTS THIS IS WHERE PEOPLE MOSTLY ARE ALREADY, I DON'T THINK IT'S A BURDENSOME CHANGE TO MAKE AND I WOULD I WOULD SUPPORT RECOMMENDATION OF THIS AGAIN AS A TO TRY IT OUT . THANK YOU MR. OLSEN SORRY I SAW YOU SAY YOU YOU KNOW I THINK WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU KNOW THE SPEED LIMIT THAT'S ONE PIECE I THINK IT'S LIKE YOU SAID IT'S ONE TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX. I REMEMBER WE HAD A PRESENTATION TO US A FEW YEARS ABOUT A RESIDENT THAT REQUESTED SOME MITIGATION AND THEY THEY TRIED THAT OUT AND IT WAS I THINK THE FIRST ONE IN 20 YEARS THAT ACTUALLY GOT IMPLEMENTED. SO MAKING IT EASIER TO REQUEST MAKING IT MORE ACCESSIBLE TO REQUEST ANY OF THESE STRATEGIES IF IT'S TEMPORARY LIKE I'VE SEEN ON RUSSELL AND 91ST STREET I LOVE THAT WE HAVE THE OPTION TO TRY THINGS OUT, SEE IT WORKS, MAKE IT MORE ACCESSIBLEND SAFER SO WITH THAT IF I MAY I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION PLEASE. I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT CITY COUNCIL ACCEPT THE NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AS PRESENTED. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND TO RECOMMEND THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPT THE NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I OPPOSED NO NO NO BY MY COUNT I BELIEVE THAT WAS FOR I OR TO I AND FOR NO MY ACCURATE OKAY THE SO THE THIS MOVE TO THE CITY COUNCIL WELL I GUESS WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR AN ALTERNATIVE MOTION MR. CHAIR IS THAT A MOTION OF DENIAL? IT WOULD BE A MOTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL NOT YEAH. EXCEPT I'D BE HAPPY TO MAKE THAT MOTION MR. CHAIR GO AHEAD. LET ME JUST COLLECT MY THOUGHTS FOR A SECOND. MR. CHAIR, I RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY COUNCIL DENIES THE NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AS PRESENTED. SECOND, THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO DENY DENY THE RIGHT WORD OR NOT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR. MAYBE THIS ISN'T A CITY ATTORNEY TASK AS I RESOURCE BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S DENY OR NOT ACCEPT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WHERE I WILL WITHHOLD MY MOTION IF WE COULD HAVE MR. TO ASK HIS OPINION YEAH . AND IF HE'S AVAILABLE WHENEVER I LIKE TO WEIGH IN WE HAVE YOU ON MUTE I CAN HEAR NOW. YES. OKAY THANKS I THINK REQUIRED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION SO I GUESS THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THEY NOT ACCEPT THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN. OKAY. NOT THAT THEY DENY IT. I GUESS THAT'S KIND OF A THEY'RE NOT REALLY DENYING ANYTHING. THEY'RE JUST NOT ACCEPTING IT. SO THAT'S WHAT MY VERBIAGE WOULD BE RECOMMENDED. THANK YOU MR. TOSCHI. I RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY COUNCIL DOES NOT ACCEPT THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AS PRESENTED. SECOND, THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO RECOMMEND THE CITY COUNCIL NOT ACCEPT THE NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I. I OPPOSED NO THAT MOTION PASSES THIS ITEM WILL BE ON THE CITY COUNCIL AGENDA ON MONDAY SEPTEMBER 18TH. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM IS A STUDY ITEM. IT IS AN ANNUAL UPDATE ON THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM AND THE TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM A COMPONENT OF THE CAPITAL PLAN. THAT'S WHERE WE GET TO SEE THIS IS IDEAS IN AN ACTION AND WE HAVE ENGINEER LONG AND SENIOR CIVIL ENGINEER WITH US I BELIEVE RIGHT TO IT . HERE WE GO . I I PLANNING COMMISSION I'M JULIE LANG CITY ENGINEER BOB SIMONS IS OUR SENIOR CIVIL ENGINEER AND WE ARE HERE TO GIVE YOU OUR PAVEMENT PROGRAM UPDATE AND OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN TRANSPORTATION PROJECT UPDATES THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM WAS ESTABLISHED BACK IN 1991. IT REDUCES THE OVERALL STREET REPAIR COS BY DOING THE RIGHT ACTION AT THE RIGHT TIME. WE EVALUATE ALL THE STREETS IN BLOOMINGTON BASED ON WHAT WE CALL THE PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX SO WE GIVE THEM A GRADE OF 0 TO 100 BASED ON WHAT THEIR CONDITION IS AND IT HELPS US PREPARE FORECASTS FOR FUTURE YEARS. WE BID OUR STREET SEGMENTS INTO A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT BIG PROJECTS TO GET ECONOMIES OF SCALE FROM THE CONTRACTOR. SO WE'LL HAVE ONE BIG RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT THAT A CONTRACTOR WOULD BID ON. WE'LL HAVE ONE BIG OVERLAY PROJECT. IT INCLUDES ALL THE CITY STREETS OF TYPE IN A GIVEN YEAR AND THE REASON WE DO THAT TO LOWER THE ASSESSMENTS AND THEN TO LOWER THE OVERALL COST TO THE TAXPAYERS AS THE COST SHARE FOR A ADJACENT PROPERTY ON CITY TAXPAYERS ON THE RECONSTRUCTION PROPERTY IS FOR A SINGLE TWO AND THREE FAMILY HOMES. WE ASSESSED 25% OF THE COSTS AND ALL OTHER PROPERTY WE ASSESSED 50% OF THE COST AND I KNOW I'VE JUST MENTIONED THE DIFFERENT RECONSTRUCT OVERLAY PROJECTS AND NOW I'M GOING TO GIVE A LITTLE INFORMATION ON WHAT THOSE ARE IN CASE YOU DON'T KNOW AS PART OF OUR PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM CONSTRUCTION TECHNIQUES WE HAVE A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT IN OUR TOOLBOX. THE RECONSTRUCT IS WHERE WE REMOVE AND REPLACE PAVEMENT INCLUDING ALL THE SUB BASE AND INSTALL CURB AND GUTTER IF IT DOESN'T ALREADY EXIST. THAT WORK IS DONE BY A CONTRACTOR THAT WE'VE HIRED BY THE CITY. SIMILARLY WE HIRE CONTRACTOR TO ALSO DO THE CONSTRUCTION OF OUR OVERLAY PROJECTS UNLIKE THE RECONSTRUCT WHERE WE'RE TAKING OUT ALL OF THE ON AN OVERLAY WE'RE LEAVING MOST OF THE PAVEMENT STRUCTURE BUT WE'RE MILLING OR GRINDING OFF THAT TOP LAYER AND REPAVING IT . WE ALSO HAVE A STEEL COAT PROGRAM AS PART OF OUR PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM THAT'S WE APPLY A BITUMINOUS ADHESIVE AND THEN PLACE ROCKS TOP OF IT AND ROLL THEM IN AND THEN SWEEP OFF THE ACCESS. THIS WAS OUR FIRST YEAR WHERE WE'VE HIRED A CONTRACTOR TO DO THAT AS PARTF THE SOUTH METRO JOINT POWERS AGREEMENT IT WENT PRETTY WELL. WE DID HAVE A FEW GROWING PAINS WITH IT BUT OVERALL IT WENT PRETTY WELL. WE ALSO HAVE SOME TRAIL AND SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE COMPONENTS OF OUR PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM AS YOU'LL SEE LATER ON WE DIDN'T USED TO HAVE THIS COMPONENT AND IT'S A FAIRLY NEW COMPONENT BUT OUR TRAILS AND OUR SIDEWALKS WE'RE GOING INTO DISREPAIR. SO THIS IS A WAY THAT WE CAN TRY AND GET THEM TO BE A GHER STANDARD. WE WIL USUALLY REMOVE AND REPLACE TRAILS JUST BECAUSE THEIR THICKNESS IS UNLIKE OUR ROAD SECTION THEY'RE NOT DESIGNED FOR HEAVY VEHICLES SO THERE ISN'T ANYTHING TO MILL AN OVERLAY. BY THE TIME YOU MILL IT YOU'VE HIT THE SUB BASE. SO THAT'S WHY WE USUALLY RECONSTRUCT THOSE OR WE WILL DO A CRACK SEAL OR FOG SEAL PROGRAM. THIS IS ALSO SOMETIMES DONE BY CONTRACTOR HIRED BY THE CITY AND SOMETIMES DONE BY OUR CITY MAINTENANCE FORCES THE PAVEMENT LIFE CYCLE IF WE JUST BUILD A BRAND NEW ROAD AND DON'T TOUCH IT AND DON'T DO ANY SORT OF MAINTENANCE IN ABOUT 20 YEARS THAT'S GOING TO FALL APART. BUT IF WE DO APPLY THE RIGHT MAINTENANCE WE CAN GET THAT SAME STREET TO LAST 60 TO 75 YEARS. THE ANALOGY I ALWAYS TO USE IS IF YOU BUY A COMBUSTION ENGINE VEHICLE I HAVE TO CHANGE MY MY EXAMPLE UP A LITTLE BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE ELECTRIC VEHICLES NOW OR SOME PEOPLE HAVE ELERIC VEHICLES BUT IF YOU BUY A COMBUSTION ENGINE VEHICLE AND YOU DRIVE IT OFF THE LOT AND ALL YOU EVER DO IS PUT FUEL IN IT, YOU DON'T DO ANY OIL CHANGES. YOU DON'T TAKE IT IN FOR SERVICE. YOU DON'T GET THE BRAKES DONE . EVENTUALLY THAT VEHICLE'S GOING TO FALL APART. BUT IF YOU DO THE RIGHT MAINTENANCE THE OIL CHANGED AND DO THE PROPER SERVICE YOU CAN GET THE VEHICLE TO LAST A LOT LONGER. WE WANT TO DO THE SAME THING WITH OUR ROADS BECAUSE IT'S IT'S MORE EFFECTIVE. EFFECTIVE. I'M NOW GOING TO TALK ABOUT COMMISSIONER OR CHAIRMAN ROMAN'S FAVORITE PART OUR EXISNG THREE POLICS FROM O THOUSAND TWO. SO WE HAVE CURVING GUTTER IS ONE OF OUR POLICIES SO THAT IF WE BUILD ANY NEW STREETS WE INSTALL CURB AND GUTTER AND THE REASON WE DO THAT IS BITUMINOUS IS A FLEXIBLE MATERIAL. SO IF YOU'VE SEEN ON SOME OF THE ROADS THE EDGES START TO DETERIORATE BECAUSE OVER TIME THEY SHOVE WHILE THE AND GUTTER HELPS DEFINE EDGE AND HELPS KEEP GETS THE WATER FROM SEEPING UNDERNEATH THE ROADBED AND GETS IT INTO THE STORM SEWER SYSTEM SO COUNCIL HAS DECIDED THA IF WE'REOING TO INVEST THE MONEY TO RECONSTRUCT THE ROAD BECAUSE IT'S A FAIRLY EXPENSIVE PROCESS WE'RE GOING TO INSTALL KERMAN GUTTER AT THAT TIME WE HAVE DIFFERENT STREET WITH THAT ARE BASED ON THE EXISTING WIDTH OF THE ROAD THAT WE LOOK AT SO OUR NEW STANDARD IS USUALLY 32 FEET WIDE. THE PREVIOUS STANDARD PRIOR TO 2002 WAS 36 FEET WIDE EXISTING STREETS WITH EXISTING CURVING GUTTER ARE RECONSTRUCTED TO THE CURRENT WITH THATS DONE SO WE DON'T HAVE TO CHARGE THE RESIDENTS IN THE TAXPAYER THE EXPENSE OF REMOVING AND REPLACING THE CURVING GUTTER. AND THEN WE DO LOOK AT DIFFERENT STREET WITH SO AT DIFFERENT WITH WE HAVE PARKING THAT IS A LIMITED DEPENDING ON THE SPACE AVAILABLE IN 2012 WE ADDED COMPLETE STREETS CHECKLISTS TO OUR PROJECTS SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ACCESSIBLE PEDESTRIAN RAMPS, SIDEWALK MULTIMODAL TRAILS, BIKE LANES AND OTHER PEDESTRIAN ENHANCEMENTSND WE JUST KD OF KEE TRACK OF WHAT WE'VE ADDED OR WHAT WE'VE DONE EITHER INSTALLED NEW PEDESTRIAN RAMPS OR SIDEWALK VERSUS WHAT WE'VE REMOVED AND REPLACED. AS I MENTIONED EARLIER ON THE SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS, WE DO THAT FOR THE RECONSTRUCTION PROJECTS. THE OVERLAYS AND SEAL CODES ARE FUNDED THROUGH FRANCHISE FEES AND OTHER METHODS BUT THE SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY UNDER STATE STATUT FOR 29 AND OUR ASSESSMENT POLICY HAS BEEN IN PLACE SINCE 1962. WE ASSESS BASED ON AN AVERAGE ON ADJUSTED FRONT FOOT WHAT WE CALL A-F AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS MAKE ALL THE LOTS OF RECTANGULAR LOT. SO IF YOU'RE ON A CUL DE SAC AND THEY'RE KIND OF SOME OF THEM ARE TRAPEZOID, SOME OF THEM THIS WAY WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THEM ALL IMAGINARY RECTANGLES AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, BEING A COMMUNITY OF OUR SIZE WE HAVE A LOT OF OTHER CONDITIONS. SO WE HAVE IN THE POLICY ADJUSTMENTS CORNER LOTS ODD SHAPED LOTS APPARENTLY DON'T INCUMBENTS THAT SHALLOW LOTS FLAG LOTS ETC. WITH THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM WE'RE TRYING TO THE RIGHT ACTION AT THE RIGHT TIME BECAUSE IT PROLONGS PAVEMENT LIFE KEEPS CITY INFRASTRUCTURE IN GOOD CONDITION. IT MAINTAINS OR INCREASED PROPERTY VALUES AND IT REDUCES THE OVERALL COST THIS IS OUR PUMP PROJECTS TIMELINE SO HERE WE'RE HERE TODAY IN 2023 WHERE THE FIRST YELLOW STAR IS TO TALK THE 2024 PROJECTS IN THIS EARLIER THIS SPRING WE DID WHAT WE CALL THE PUMP DRIVE AROUND SO AS I MENTIONED EARLIER WE HAVE A PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX THE PCI SO THE COMPUTER TELLS US WHAT THE ROADS ARE. WELL THAT'S ALL FINE AND DANDY BUT WE ACTUALLY DRIVE THE STREETS TO CONFIRM THAT THE COMPUTER IS RIGHT. MAYBE THIS STREET CAN LAST. MAYBE THIS ONE HAD A ROUGH GO OVER THE WINTER AND IT NEEDS TO BE ACCELERATED. SO WE LOOK ATHAT THEN ONCE WE DECIDE ON WHAT THE STREETS ARE WE HAVE WHAT WE CALL OUR PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT SCOPING MEETING AND THAT'S WHERE WE INVITE ALL DIFFERENT CITY DEPARTMENTS SO WE'LL INCLUDE PLANNING WILL INCLUDE PARK AND REC SAYING HEY THIS IS OUR SHOT YOU KNOW TO WORK ON THIS ROAD EITHER FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS, SIX YEARS DEPENDING ON WHAT KIND OF ROAD IT IS AND ARE THERE OTHER THINGS WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT WE SHOULD EITHER INCLUDE WITH OUR PROJECT OR DO YOU HAVE AN UPCOMING PROJECT AT THE PARK AND WE SHOULD DELAY OUR PROJECT SO WE'RE ONLY DISTURBING NEIGHBORHOO ONCE SO WE DO A LOT OF COORDINATION AT THAT MEETING. WE COME TO YOU AND WE GIVE YOU OUR UPDATE THEN WE ARE WE'VE ALREADY STARTED WORKING ON OUR PRELIMINARY ESTIMATES AND ASSESSMENTS FOR PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE SELECTED POTENTIALLY FOR THE 2024 PMP PROJECT WILL MAIL THAT INFORMATION OUT TO THEM LATER THIS FALL AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING AND THEN WE'LL GO TO COUNCIL TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING TO ORDER THE PROJECT AND THEN WE USUALLY SOME SPECIALTY CASES THIS SUMR 'VE BEEN DOINGIFFERENT TRIAL AT LEAST IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS TRYING TO SEE WHAT KIND OF TRAFFIC CALMING THINGS MAY OR MAY NOT WORK FOR THE NEIGHBORHOODS SO WE'LL COME AND GIVE YOU AN UPDATE OF NOW THAT WE'VE COLLECTED ALL THE DATA AND WE HAVE THE RESULTS, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO INCLUDE WITH THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM IN THE WINTER WE'LL CAN FINALIZE OUR WILL GO OUT FOR BIDS IN THE SPRING, DO THE CONSTRUCTION NEXT SUMMER AND FALL AND THEN HAVE FINAL ASSESSMENTS AND A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING AND THEN HAVE COUNCIL ADOPT THE ASSESSMENT ROLEEXT FALL. AND NOW I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO MR. SIMONDS TO GIVE YOU ALL THE SPECIFICS ON THE NEXT 24 AND 25 PMP PROJECT. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU JULIE AND A GOOD EVENING HAS JULIE MENTIONED I'M BOB SIMONDS A SENIOR CIVIL ENGINEER IN OUR STREET DESIGN AND INFRASTRUCTURE AREA FOR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. I'LL BE GOING THROUGH OUR 2024 AND 2025 RECONSTRUCTION OVERLAY PROJECTS. I'LL HIGHLIGHT A FEW AREAS EACH OF THOSE PROJECTS AND THEN GIVE YOU SOME INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT WAS BROUGHT UP AT THE SCOPING MEETING THAT JULIE HAD JUST MENTIONED AND THEN ALSO JUST BY STAFF IN GENERAL FOR THESE AREAS WE HAVE ABOUT 23 MILES BETWEEN 2024 AND 2025 OF RECON AND OVERLAY MILES OF STREETS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON IN OUR ON OUR MAP FOR OUR PROGRAM FOR THOSE YEARS THE FIRST PROJECT OF 2024 ONE ON PMP RECONSTRUCT PROJECT I'LL BE HIGHLIGHTING DRIVE DUPONT THE DUPONT AREA LYNDALE AVENUE AND MEADOW VIEW ROAD TO START WITH OUR OVERLOOK THIS IS FROM FRANCE AVENUE TO ITS EAST TERMINUS SO ON THE WEST SIDE WE HAVE FRANCE AVENUE ON THE EAST SIDE WE HAVE OUR JUST TO THE NTHEAST WE HAVE THE DUPONT GOLF COURSE IN THAT AREA THIS STRETCH HAS NO EXISTING CURB THE WIDTH WE WOULD PROPOSE TO IT AT A 3032 FOOT STANDARD WITH AS JULIE HAD MENTIONED EARLIER BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE SENDING A SURVEY OUT TO THE RESIDENTS WHICH WE'VE DONE FOR OTHER SEGMENTS WITH NO EXISTING CURB TO SEE WHAT THEIR PREFERENCE WOULD BE IF THEY LIKE TO GO DOWN TO SEE A 28 FOOT WIDTH BUT WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'LL BE PARKING LIMITATIONS WITH WE'LL ALSO BE SENDING THOSE SURVEYS OUT TO A FEW OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS IN 2024 1 TO 1 BEING ORCHARD SPRINGS ROAD AND MEADOWVIEW ROAD ON THE EAST END OF OVERLOOK DRIVE WILL MOST LIKE BE A HAMMERHEAD FOR A TURNAROUND AREA FOR OUR MAINTENANCE VEHICLES SINCE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH FOR WITH THE RIGHT OF WAY TO INSTALL A CUL DE SAC, OUR STAFF WILL LOOK POSSIBLE FUTURE TRAIL CONNECTIONS ON THE EAST TERMINUS AS YOU MAY REMEMBER FROM A FEW YEARS AGO THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT CONNECTING OVERLOOK DRIVE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE GOLF COURSE AND WE'LL LOOK AT THE POSSIBILITY OF SOME POSSIBLE FUTURE TRAIL CONNECTIONS IN THE AREA. AND THEN ALSO WE'RE WORKING WITH PARK REC STAFF TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY COORDINATION THAT COULD BE WOULD BE NEEDED FOR THE GOLF COURSE IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY HAVE COMING UP AS WELL. THEN WE HAVE OUR DUPONT AREA DUPONT AVENUE, COLFAX 84TH AND A HALF, 84TH STREET JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THIS IS BRYANT PARK JUST TO THE NORTH OF THIS IS 82ND STREET. IT HAS EXISTING CURB IN THIS AREA. THERE'LL BE SOME POSSIBLE INTERSECTION CONTROL IMPROVEMENTS. IT'LL BE EXPLORED THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS THIS SUMMER. SOME SPEED CONCERNS ARE BROUGHT UP FROM THE RESIDENTS I MEAN LOOK AT SOME TREATMENTS SUCH AS A BUMP ULCER TRAFFIC CIRCLES FOR THE AREA. WE ALSO WILL HAVE A STANDARD THERE'S A SANITARY SEWER MAIN LINE THAT NEEDS TO BE UPSIZED IN THE AREA WHICH MAY AFFECT THE TIMING OF THE PROJECT DEPENDING ON THE FUNDING IF WE CAN AFFORD THAT THAT SANITARY SEWER UPGRADE NT YEAR AND WE'LL BE COORDINATING WITH THE BRYANT PARK MOSTLY THE BRYANT FOR THIS FOR THIS AREA RECONSTRUCTION AND THEN ALSO THE 2024 111 TRAIL PROJECT WHICH WE'LL GET INTO IN JUST A MINUTE HERE. BUT FOR THAT THAT COORDINATION WITH THE BRYANT PARK PROJECT, YOU SEE THE STREETS HIGHLIGHTED IN RED. THOSE ARE THE RECONSTRUCT STREETS OF 84TH DUPONT, COLFAX AND 84TH AND A HALF BRYANT PARK BEING JUST TO THE SOUTH. WELL, WE'LL HAVE TO COORDINATE THAT WORK WITH THAT PROJECT AND WE'LL DISCUSS THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER ON. AND WE HAVE LINDA AVENUE FROM WEST 262 ITSELF TERM TERMINUS AT THE U.S. FISH AND WILDLIFE PARKING LOT AND THE BOAT RAMP TO THE RIVER AND AS EXISTING CURB IN THIS AREA THERE'S ACTUALLY A 24 FOOT WIDE CONCRETE SURFACE UNDERNEH THE EXISTINGOADWAY WHICH IS E ORIGINAL LYNLE AVENUE WE'RE LKING TONSTALL ANN ROAD BIKEACILITY DUE TO THE GROUNDWATER UNSTABLE SOIL ISSUES IN THE AREA LOOKING AT A 20 FOOT RECOMMENDED WITH FOUR VEHICLE TRAVEL AND THEN USING THE REST OF THE 36 FOOT WITH FOUR SHARED BIKE AND PAD FACILITIES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD. THERE'S AS I MENTIONED, THERE'S KNOWN GROUNDWATER AND UNDERLYING SOIL ISSUES IN THE AREA SO WE'RE LOOKING TO SEPARATE THE STORMWATER AND THE GROUNDWATER. WE HAVE A FEW FUNDING SOURCES WE ACQUIRED JUST OVER $420,000 FROM THE DNR STATE PARK ROAD ACCOUNT AND ALSO FIVE BRIDGE ACCESS FUNDS WHICH IS FUNDING THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE CONTRACTOR THAT BUILT THAT JUST REDID THE 35 W BRIDGE OVER THE RIVER. THEY USE THIS AS A HAUL ROUTE SO WE GOT SOME FUNDS BACK FROM THEM FOR THE THE DAMAGES INCURRED AND THEN ALSO WE'VE BEEN APPLYING FOR THE EASTERN FEDERAL LANDS OR THE FLAP GRANT IN 2019 AND 2021. UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE NOT BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN THOSE APPLICATIONS. AND LASTLY PHILANDO AT THE SOUTH END THE PLAN WOULD BE DEVELOPED TO ELIMINATE THE EXISTING TEARDROP AND PUT A SMALL BUBBLE TURN AROUND. WE'RE WORKING WITH U.S. FISH AND WILDLIFE AND THE DNR ON A CONNECTION TO THE DNR TRAIL AND THEN WORKING WITH THE U.S. FISH AND WILDLIFE ON THAT PARKING LOT RECONSTRUCTION WHICH WE INTEND ON BEING A PART OF THIS PROJECT FUNDED BY U.S. FISH AND WILDLIFE. THEY'VE DONE AN ARCHEOLOGICAL REVIEW OF THE AREA AND UNFORTUNATELY THERE WAS UNFORTUNATELY THERE WAS NO FINDINGS. WE KNOW THERE'S PARKING DEMANDS THAT ARE CURRENTLY NOT BEING MET WITH THE INCREASED USE FROM THE DNR TRAIL. SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THE FISH AND WILDLIFE ON THAT PARKING LOT DESIGN AND WE'RE ALSO LOOKING TO ADD WAYFINDING FOR TRAILS IN THE AREA OF 82ND STREET FROM 12TH AVENUE TO OLD CEDAR AVENUE. SO 12TH AVENUE BEING ON THE WEST, OLD CEDAR BEING ON THE EAST THIS IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE ON 82ND STREET WATER MAIN PROJECT BUT WE'RE GOING TO BUILD WITH THE 2024 ONE ON ONE PROJECT IT HAS EXISTING CURB WITH AT FOUR FEET BUT THE WATER MAIN IS GOING TO BE REMOVED AND REPLACED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 82ND STREET WHICH WAS GOING TO REMOVE THE MAJORITY IF NOT ALL OF THE CURB ON THE SOUTH SIDE. SO THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO POSSIBLY LOOK AT ALTERING OF THE STREET CROSS SECTION, PSIBLY ALTERINGHE DTH OF THE STREET SINCE THAT WHOLE SOUTH SIDE WILL BE REMOVED. AND WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE EXPLORING THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING ENHANCEMENTS OR POSSIBLE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING ENHANCEMENT 12TH AND 82ND. THERE'S CURRENTLY A CROSSING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 12TH AT 82ND STREET WE HAVE MEADOWVIEW ROAD FROM OLD CEDAR AVENUE TO OLD JACOBI ROAD NO EXISTING CURB I MENTIONED EARLIER THIS WOULD BE A NEIGHBORHOOD WE'D SEND A SURVEY OUT TO ON STREET FIRST STREET WITH. WE'VE HEARD THAT FROM THE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE'S CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC BETWEEN OLD CEDAR AND OLD SHOCK AND ALSO OLD CEDAR AVENUE STUDY THAT WAS RECENTLY COMPLETED OR MAYBE NOT RECENTLY ANYMORE. IT SHOWS THAT A THREE CORNER ACCESS WOULD BE THE TREATMENT AT OLD SHACK B WILL BE MOST LIKELY WOULD NOT BUILD THAT WITH THIS PROJECT BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD CONSIDER AND LOOK AT POSSIBLY GETTING READY FOR THAT WITH THIS PROJECT THE 2024 ONE OR TWO PMP OVERLAY CANDIDATES THERE'S A FEW ON THAT LIST THAT I'LL BE HIGHLIGHTING. WE HAVE OUR WEST 78TH STREET AREA TO THE WEST IS EAST PUSH LAKE ROAD TO THE SOUTH IS FOR 94 THERE'S THE EXISTING BUS PULL OFF ON WEST 78TH STREET THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT REMOVING THAT'S NO LONGER BEING USED AND CONVERTING IT TO MORE GREEN SPACE LOOKING AT POSSIBLE CONVERSION TO THREE LANE ON 78TH AND WE KNOW OF A FEW SIDEWALK GAPS IN THE NORTH SIDE OF 78TH SO WE'RE LOOKING TO TO FILL WITH THIS PROJECT AND THEN WE'LL PROBABLY BE LOOKING AT A CO-OP AGREEMENT WITH THE DINER TO CONTINUE THE WORK ON THE SERVICE ROAD HEADING NORTH INTO A DINOSAUR CITY LIMITS THE WAIVER POPLAR BRIDGE NEIGHBORHOOD THERE WAS A TRAFFIC CIRCLE TRIAL THAT WAS WAS CONDUCTED I SHOULD MENTION FRANCE AVENUE WAS JUST TO THE EAST HERE 90TH STREET TO THE SOUTH THERE WAS A TRAFFIC CIRCLE TRIAL THAT WAS CONDUCTED FROM JUNE THROUGH LATE AUGUST. WE JUST PICKED UP THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE HERE WITHIN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS. RIGHT NOW WE'RE EVALUATING THE RESULTS OF THAT AND THAT'LL BE BROUGHT BACK ON THAT SECOND STAR THAT JULIE SHOWED ON THE ON THAT THE ORDER OF A OF OUR PMP PROJECTS HERE WILL COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION WITH ANY ANY DECISIONS ON THAT OR RECOMMENDATIONS ON THAT. AND THEN ALSO THERE'S BEEN RESIDENT INTEREST IN A SIDEWALK ON THE WEST SIDE OF SRI BARKAN WHICH IS WHERE YOU SEE THE SWAMP THERE ON THE WEST SIDE OF HARRISON OR THE MARSH A SIDEWALK IN THAT LOCATIONHAT WOULD BE A FUTURE PROJE THAT WE'RE LOOKING INTO THE TOPOGRAPHY, GETTING A SURVEY AND WE MOST LIKELY HAVE TO REDUCE THE STREET AN ORDER TO INSTALL A SIDEWALK IN THAT AREA, A PALMER ROAD AREA INCLUDES PALMER ROAD 86TH STREET. IT'S ADJACENT TO POPLAR BRIDGE ELEMENTARY. IT'S A WALKING ROUTE TO POPLAR BRIDGE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. WE'RE LOOKING WE KNOW THAT STUDENTS CROSS AT 85TH AND PALMER SO WE'RE LOOKING INTO POSSIBLE ENHANCED CROSSING THERE POSSIBLY A BUMP OUT AT THAT LOCATION RIVER MORRIS ROAD AREA ADJACENT TO OLSON AND SCHOOLS JUST SOUTH OF 102ND STREET. WE'RE EXPLORING TRAFFIC CALMING IMPROVEMENTS AT JOHNSON AND MORRIS ROAD. THERE'S THOSE EXISTING NARROW CENTER MEDIANS WHICH I KNOW OUR MAINTENANCE CREWS DO NOT LIKE IN THERE. THEY'RE NOT SERVING THE PURPOSE THAT WE THAT WE NEED FOR TRAFFIC CALMING IN THAT AREA. SO WE'LL POSSIBLY LOOK AT SOME OTHER ALTERNATIVES LOOKING INTO STRIPING OPTIONS ON JOHNSON AVENUE NORTH OF HERITAGE HILLS AND THEN ALSO THERE'S AN EXISTING CHOP FOR EASTBOUND 102ND TO SOUTHBOUND JOHNSON THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT POSSIBLY ELIMINATING WITH THIS PROJECT . WE HAVE 86TH STREET PORTLAND AVENUE ON THE WEST BLOOMINGTON AVENUE ON THE EAST CURRENTLY A THREE LANE CONFIGURATION. THIS WOULD BE AN OPPTUNITY FOR US TO IREASE THE LANE WITH THEIR LANE WITH MAYBE ADJUSTED WITH THIS PROJECT THERE ARE ONLY LIKE 4 TO 5 FEET WIDE RIGHT NOW CURRENTLY WE'RE CONSIDERING THE REMOVAL OF THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT 12TH AND 86 THAT CURRENTLY DOES NOT MEET WARRANTS BUT WE'LL BE RUNNING A TRIAL FOR THAT TO SEE IF IT WILL BE REMOVED WITH THE PROJECT AND THEN ALSO WE'LL BE TAKING A LOOK AT THE PEDESTRIAN SIGNAL AT BLOOMINGTON 80 AND 86 NOT NECESSARILY FOR REMOVAL TO REVIEW THE USE OF THAT SIGNAL WE HAVE OR 92ND STREET AREA JUST NORTH OF ENDERBY PARK AND JUST EAST OF 35 W LOOKING AT THE INSULATE POSSIBLE INSTALLATION OF A PED CROSSING A 92ND SEET CONNECTINGO E PARK ALSO LOOKING AT CHANGES AT THE WEST END OF WEST 92ND STREET AND EAST BLOOMINGTON FREEWAY THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF SPEED COMPLAINTS AND COMMERCIAL TRUCK COMPLAINTS IN THAT AREA OVER THE YEARS. WE'RE LOOKING AT THE EXISTING NO PARKING SITUATION ON 92ND STREET AND THEN WE'LL BE EXPLORING SOME FUTURE SIDEWALK CONNECTIONS ON THE WEST SIDE OF BRYANT BETWEEN 94TH AND 92ND AND ALSO POSSIBLY CONTINUING NORTH FOR A 2025 1 TO 1 RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT. A COUPLE OF AREAS TO HIGHLIGHT WE HAVE EAST ON EAST 84TH STREET, EAST 84TH STREET AND ALSO OAKLAND AVENUE AND 15TH AVENUE. IT WAS NOTED THAT THROUGH NAMED NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS OUR CONCERNS WITH THE INTERSECTION CONTROL ON 84TH STREET SO WE'D BE LOOKING AT FOR EXAMPLE PARKING 84TH AND CHICAGO AND 84TH ARE CURRENTLY FOUR WAY STOPS. SO WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THE INTERSECTION CONTROL ALONG THAT ENTIRE STRETCH AND WE HAVE 12TH AVENUE FROM 92ND TO 94TH. THERE'S NO EXISTING CURB IN THIS AREA. OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERING STAFF WILL BE LOOKING AT A DESIRED CROSS SECTION FOR 12 POSSIBLE BIKE LANE ADDITIONS CONTINUING THE SIDEWALK FROM 94TH TO 92ND AND IN THE 80 AP WHICH WILL BE COMING TO YOU FOLKS LATER FOR THE RECOMMENDATIONS WILL BE COMING FORWARD. THAT INCLUDES SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR 12TH AVENUE AS WELL. THEN LASTLY 2025 ONE OR TWO OVERLAY CANDIDATES TO HIGHLIGHT A FEW AREAS. WE HAVE A NINE MILE CREEK AREA WHICH INCLUDES NINE MILE CREEK PARKWAY AND STANLEY ROAD 90TH STREET TO THE SOUTH 84TH STREET TO THE NORTH POSSIBLY CHANGING TO A TWO LANE CONFIGURATION ON NINE MILE CREEK PARKWAY AND RIGHT NOW STANLEY ROAD NINE MILE CREEK PARKWAY TO STANLEY ROAD IS A 90 DEGREE CORNER. WE'RE LOOKING AT TURNING THAT INTO A CURVE AND REUSING SOME THAT SPACE TO THE NORTH ON THAT PAVEMENT TO THE NORTH POSSIBLY RAINWATER GARDEN, OTHER TREATMENT IN THAT ADDED GREEN SPACE AND WEST 98TH STREET JUST TO THE WEST OF OUR BUILDING HERE FROM BETWEEN FRANCE AND PENN AVENUE TRAFFIC STAFF WILL BE BEGIN A STUDY TO REVIEW THE POSSIBLE LANE CONVERSIONS ON THAT STRETCH AND THEN ALSO WE HAVE A PIT CROSSING ENHANCEMENTS SCHEDULED FOR 2024 AT XERXES AVENUE AND JULIE WILL BE GOING THAT HERE SHORTLY. FRANCES IRVING FROM WALCZAK TO OVERLOOK WE KNOW THEY'RE SPEEDING CONCERNS ON FRANCE WE'LL BE LOOKING INTO OPTIONS FOR THAT AND THEN WE'LL POSSIBLY BE EXTENDING THE LIMITS SOUTH OF OVERLOOK DRIVE OVERLOOK DRIVING THE STRETCH THAT I SHOWED ON THE 2020 FOR ONE ON ONE AS WELL AND THEN PLEASANT AVENUE WEST 98TH TO US 95TH WE KNOW THERE'S PARKING ISSUES IDENTIFIED IN THE AREA. PUBLIC HEALTH HAS TARGETED THIS AREA FOR HEALTHY INITIATIVES DUE TO LOWER LOWER LIFE EXPECTANCIES IN THIS AREA WE'LL BE LOOKING INTO SOME POSSIBLE SIDEWALK CONNECTIONS ALONG PLEASANT AVENUE NOW JULIE I'LL GO THROUGH SOME OF OUR KIP TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS WE HAVE COMING UP THESE PROJECTS ARE MAINLY PEDESTRIAN BIKE ORIENTED WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THE NORMANDY TRAILS, THE PARK TRAILS AND THEN PED CROSSING ENHANCEMENTS AT A FEW LOCATIONS. SO THE FIRST PROJECT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IS THE NORMANDY BOULEVARD TRAILS. WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS TO CONSTRUCT A MULTI-USE TRAIL ON THE WEST SIDE AND A SIDEWALK ON THE EAST SIDE FROM 94TH STREET TO OLD CHICOPEE ROAD BACK IN 2016 IN PARTNERSHIP WITH HENNEPIN COUNTY WE DID THE ROAD FROM 94TH STREET NORTH TO NINE MILE CREEK AND WE DID IMPROVE THE TRAIL ON BOTH SIDES AND WE WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND IT. THIS IS ONE OF THE TRAILS THAT I TALKED ABOUT ON THE PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX WHERE WE BUILT IT AND THEN NEVER DID ANY MAINTENANCE AND I'M NOT SURE YOU COULD CALL IT A TRAIL TODAY SO WE'RE LOOKING AT IMPROVING THAT WE WOULD BE WORKING ON DOING SOME RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION IN 2024 BECAUS TODAY'S STANDAR ARE WIDER THAN WHEN IT WAS BUILT BACK IN THE EIGHTIES AND THEN THE CONSTRUCTION WOULD START IN THE FALL OF 2025 WITH THE MAJORITY OF THE CONSTRUCTION IN 2026. OUR CURRENT FUNDING PLAN FOR THIS PROJECT IS THE FRANCHISE FEES FUNDING SO THAT'S MONEY THAT WE COLLECT THAT IS ON THE CENTERPOINT ENERGY AND XCEL ENERGY BILLS AND IT'S DIRECTED TO OUR PAVEMENT PROGRAM. WE ARE STILL PURSUING FEDERAL GRANTS. WE'REOPEFUL WITHHE IGT INCREASE IN MONEY THAT WILL BE MORE SUCCESSFUL THAN WE WERE IN 2020 OR IN 2022. WE ARE ALSO WORKING ON A STATE BONDING REQUEST TO THE STATE LEGISLATURE TO SEE IF WE CAN HELP FUND THIS PROJECT. THE NEXT PROJECTS I'M GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT ARE THE 2024 111 PUMP PARK TRAILS. SO AS PART OF THE PARK MASTER PLAN THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE IMPROVE OUR CONNECTIONS TO THE PARKS. SO WE ARE LOOKING BUILDING SIDEWALK THAT KIND OF SURROUND THE PARK TO MAKE SOME REALLY NICE LOOP TRAILS AT BRYANT PARK AND THEN ALSO BUILD SOME NEW SIDEWALKS ON EMERSON AND BRYANT TO GET YOU TO THE PARK FROM 86TH STREET AND ALSO IMPROVE THE CROSSINGS OF 86TH STREET, WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE ARE ADDITIONAL CROSSINGS THAT SHOULD BE IMPROVED. I HAD 82ND FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT LIVES TO THE NORTH AND NEEDS TO COME SOUTH AND WE WILL COME TO YOU AT A FUTURE MEETING ABOUT 82ND STREET BUT WITHDOT DOING TRE FOR 94 PROJECT AND ONE OF THE COMPONENTS BEING AT 35 W AND 82ND STREET, WE WANT TRAFFIC TO KIND OF SETTLE OUT BEFORE WE GO MAKING CHANGES THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE NEW TRAFFIC PATTERNS. THE OTHER PROJECT LOCATION ON THE 24 111 PROJECT IS TRAT BOROUGH PARK SO IT WILL BE A BIKE SKILLS AREA AND WE'RE PARTNERING WITH PARKS TO IMPROVE THE SIDEWALK THAT' OUT THERE NOW AND ENHANCE IT TO BE A TRAIL SO THAT IT WOULD CONNECT TO THE FRANCE AVENUE TRAIL PROJECT THAT WE RECENTLY CONNECTED. WE'RE GOING TO GO AS FAR EAST AS WE CAN. WE RUN OUT OF RIGHT AWAY. WE'RE WE DON'T HAVE THE BUDGET TO DO THE RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION ON THIS PROJECT BUT WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT IMPROVING THE 90TH STREET PAD CROSSING AND THAT WOULD BE VERY SIMILAR TO THE EXISTING PED CROSSING N 90TH AT XERXES TODAY SO BECAUSE WE'VE THE ROAD SO THAT IT'S ONE LANE IN EACH DIRECTION AND WITH THE WIDE CENTER MEDIAN WHICH IS A GREAT PEDESTRIAN REFUGE WE DON'T THINK THERE'S A NEED FOR THE RAPID FLASHING BEACON LIGHTS THAT WE'VE INSTALLED IN OTHER LOCATIONS THE NEXT PROJECT IS THE 24 TO A ONE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING ENHANCEMENTS. THERE ARE THREE LOCATIONS FOR THIS PROJECT AND WE WE'VE SO FAR WE'VE TOLD YOU ALL THE TIMES WE'VE BEEN UNSUCCESSFUL IN A GRANT THIS TIME WE WERE SUCCESSFUL AND WE GOT SOME HIGHWAY SAFETY IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM FUNDING AND SO WE'RE LOOKG AT IMPROVING THE CROSSINGS AT XERXES AND 98TH STREET LYNDALE AND 96TH STREET AND ALSO SKIPPY ROAD AND THIRD SO AT THIS LOCATION ON THE MAP YOU CAN SEE XERXES IN 98TH AND APOLOGIZE IT'S A LITTLE SMALL BUT WE'RE ADDING A LEFT TURN BAY AND THEN A PEDESTRIAN REFUGE AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE SOME OF THE FLASHING RF BEAMS RAPID FLASHING BEACON SIGNS THAT CAN BE PEDESTRIAN ACTIVATED AT THAT LOCATION A THE NEXT TWO LOCATIONS ONE THE ONE IS LYNDALE AND 96 AND YOU MAY BE THINKING YOU ALREADY HAVE AN RV LYNDALE IN 96 BUT WE'VE BEEN OBSERVING HOW IT IS OPERATING AND WITH THAT CONTINUOUS RIGHT TURN LANE INTO ALL THE BUSINESSES ON THE EAST SIDE OF LYNDALE AVENUE, WE HAVE NOTICED THAT WE DON'T ALWAYS GET GOOD COMPLIANCE SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO BUILD A BUMP OUT AND MOVE SOME OF THOSE SIGNS TO ENHANCE THE CROSSING AND HOPEFULLY GET DRIVERS TO PAY CLOSER TO THE BIKES AND PADS AS THEY'RE CROSNG THE ROAD. AND THEN THE LAST LOCATION IS SOUTH OF KENNEDY HIGH SCHOOL BETWEEN SECOND AND THIRD AVENUES ON OLD SHOCK AP ROAD AND WE'RE HOPING TO ADD ANOTHER PEDESTRIAN MEDIAN AND COORDINATE WITH HENNEPIN COUNTY TO IMPROVE THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AT THAT LOCATION. SO THOSE ARE OUR PROPOSED PROJECTS AND WE'RE OPEN TO QUESTIONS AND FEEDBACK. THANK YOU. NICE WORK. QUESTIONS, FEEDBACK. COMMISSION ALBRECHT THANK YO CHAIR MY QUESTION IS ACTUALLY THE PREVIOUS SLIDE THE OLD SHOP IN THIRD JUST HAD A CURIOSITY WHY IS THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BLOCK VERSUS PARALLEL A THIRD OR PARALLEL SECOND WE HAVE STRUGGLED CHAIR ROHMAN COMMISSIONER ALBRIGHT WE HAVE STRUGGLED WITH THE LOCATION OF THAT YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE EXISTING SIDEWALK KIND OF EN NOW BUT WE'VE GONE OUT AND OBSERVED WHERE STUDENTS ARE CROSSING UNFORTUNATELY THEY'RE NOT HURTING TO GIVE US A GREAT ANSWER AND I SHOULD MENTION TOO THIS LOCATION SHOWN HERE IS AND ISN'T THE LOCATION THAT THAT WE'RE SET ON GOING WITH WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH BLOCK AREA SO IT'S A GREAT WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH HENNEPIN COUNTY AND LOOKING AT WHERE THAT THE BEST LOCATION WOULD BE. THANK YOU. ONE QUESTION I HAVE ABOUT IT'S MORE JUST ABOUT OUR PRACTICE AND MAYBE FOR ONE OF YOU IT MAY BE FOR ENGINEER ROBERTS WHOEVER WHOEVER HAS A GOOD ANSWER OR AT LEAST AN ANSWER. SO I KNOW THE COUNTY HAS BEEN PRETTY AGGRESSIVELY REINSTALLING TRAFFIC SIGNALS WHERE WE HAD A CONTROLLED LEFT TURN AND INTRODUCING THE FLASHING YELLOW FOR AT CERTAIN TIMES A DAY OR WHATEVER. AND AGAIN WE HAD 19TH AND FRANCE WAS MY WAS MY THE ONE THAT CAME TO MIND AND DO THEY WORK WITH US SO FOR EXAMPLE 90TH AND FRANCE IS A GOOD EXAMPLE THE COUNTY ADJUSTED THAT AND NOW THERE'S A FLASHING YELLOW FOR THE TRAFFIC FRANCE BUT OUR SIGNAL ON 90TH REMAINS STATIC AND SO IS THERE IS THAT JUST WE DON'T DO THOSE IN OUR CITY FOR CITY STREETS OR THAT THE COUNTY DOES IT AND DOESN'T ASK US IF WE WANT TO JOIN IN AND SAVE A LOT OF MONEY BY DOING IT AT THE SAME TIME JUST A CURIOSITY THAT THAT INTERSECTION MADE ME THINK OF THAT MR. CHAIRMAN. COMMISSIONER SO THE FLASHING YELLOW ARROW WE PUT THOSE IN AS MUCH AS WE CAN WHERE WE CAN WHEN WE CAN SO DOES THE COUNTY AND SOMETIMES WHERE WE ARE NOT ABLE TO PARTNER WITH THEM ON A PROJECT IS JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE ANOTH LOCATION WHERE WE'RE SPENDING THE LIMITED WE HAVE. AND SO IN THE PAST FEW YEARS IN ANTICIPATION OF THE 494 PROJECTS WE'VE BEEN FOCUSED ON AMERICAN BOULEVARD SO YOU'LL NOTICE THE SIGNAL THAT GOES INTO THE BACK SIDE OF TARGET AND I THINK IT'S HOBBY LOBBY NOW GOT A FLASHING YELLOW DID ALL THE OTHERS ALONG THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO DEAL WITH THAT TRAFFIC SO WE DO TALK TO THEM WE DO PARTNER WITH THEM. WE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE THE MONEY TO DO SO BUT AS A CITY WE DO DO INSTALL TSE. WE D IS PERFECT AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN NOW IT'S ALL GOOD. I JUST IT'S ALL PART OF THE TRANSITION. OTHER FEEDBACK QUESTIONS ON THE PLAN. COMMISSIONER COOKSON THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. MR. SIMONDS HAVEN'T WE SEEN THE LYNDALE AVENUE THING BEFORE THE END OF LYNDALE IT SEEMS LIKE THIS ISN'T THE FIRST TIME WE'VE SEEN THAT, YES. COMMISSIONER KIRKLAND THAT IS CORRECT WITH THIS LINDA LAVIN HAS BEEN ON OUR RADAR FOR A FEW YEARS NOW. WE'VE JUST BEEN WORKING WITH THE U.S. FISH AND WILDLIFE TO COORDINATE THAT PARKING LOT WORK AS WELL WITH THIS OJECT. SO YEAH LOOK WHEN WE CAME LAST YEAR LYNDALE AVENUE WAS ON THAT LIST FOR THE NEXT YEAR I'M NOW WE'RE WE'RE MUCH FURTHER ALONG THAN WE WERE LAST YEAR IN REGARDS TO THAT COORDINATION WITH THE U.S. FISH AND WILDLIFE. SO WE'RE OUR TARGET IS TO BE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS AND IN 2024. BUT YES, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION WE HAVE BEEN HERE WITH LYNDALE AVENUE BEFORE. IT IS ONE I'D LIKE TO SEE IT DONE IS THAT IF I CAN BUILD ON THAT THERE'S THAT LAKE. SO IN WHAT YOU'VE SHARED WITH US HERE TODAY THERE ARE SOME 2024 AND SOME 2025 ITEMS. SO IS THAT WE HEARD IT WAS THAT 2023 2024 THING WHEN WE HEARD IT IN THE PAST MAYBE I BELIEVE SO I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE I JUST I THINK THE QUESTION WE'RE ASKING IS THAT BEEN OR WE JUST BEEN WORKING OUR WAY TO IT CHAIRWOMAN COMMISSIONER CROOKSTON I THINK WE GAVE YOU A HEADS UP IN A PRIOR TO LAST YEAR WHERE WE SCHEDULED IT FOR 2024 BECAUSE LAST YEAR WE KNEW IT WAS A 2024 PROJECT BUT BECAUSE WE'RE WORKING WITH BOTH THE A FEDERAL AGENCY AND ANOTHER STATE AGENCY AND HAVING TO DO ALL THAT COORDINATION IT IS TAKING SOME EXTRA TIME NORMALLY ON A BLOOMINGTON PROJECT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO AN ARCHEOLOGICAL EXPLORATION AND SO ANY PROJECT THAT HAS THOSE EXTRA ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEWS OR ADDITIONAL REVIEWS DO STRETCH OUT THE PROJECT LENGTH SO YOU WILL PROBABLY HEAR ABOUT THOSE LONGER TYPICALLY IN REGARDS THIS LINDELL ONE YOU'D SAY IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT YEAR 2024 THERE'S NO MORE ROADBLOCKS IN THE IN THE WAY IT WILL AT THIS TIME WE ARE NOT AWARE OF ANY ROADBLOCKS BUT I MAKE NO GUARANTEES. I DO HEAR OF A POTENTIAL FEDERAL SHUTDOWN IF THEY CAN'T AGREE TO A BUDGET AND THEN THAT WOULD DELAY THE PROJECT BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO WORK ON A FEDERAL PROJECT IF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS SHUT DOWN. SO I CANNOT GUARANTEE ANYTHING BUT AT THIS TIME. WE DON'T THINK SO. WE'RE NOT ONE OF THE QUESTIONS AND MOSTLY IT'S BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IT'S A QUESTION I HEAR FROM TIME TO TIME AND I SUPPORT SUPPORTIVE AND THE CONDITIONS IN OF THE THE OF SPACE AVAILABLE IS DIFFERENT ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE COMMUNITY ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE COMMUNITY AND I THINK THAT THE THE ENVISIONED IMPROVEMENTS ON ARMIDALE ARE ARE GOOD I SUPPORT THOSE THOSE ARE THOSE I THINK THE QUESTION WE WILL HEAR IS WELL WE'VE GOT GREAT FRANCE TRAIL WHICH I THINK WAS MOSTLY A COUNTY PROJECT. NO, NO THAT WAS A CITY PROJECT. OKAY AND THEN NOW WE'VE WE'RE IMPROVING THE IN ARMIDALE IN THE QUESTION I THINK THAT WILL INVITE FROM SOME PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY AS WELL WHAT WE IMPROVING ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE COMMUNITY AND SO AGAIN TH ABILITY TO AUIRE LAND T DO THA ON THE ON THE WEST SIDE IS EASIER THAN IT IS ON THE EAST BUT I KNOW THAT THERE'S AN ANSWER TO THAT BUT I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE DO THAT AND I KNOW YOU'RE AWARE OF IT TO CHAIRWOMAN ARE WE DO HEAR THAT AND AS PART OF OUR 2024 WORK PLAN WE'RE LOOKING AT UPCOMING IT COMING UP WITH CRITERIA TO HELP US WITH THE SELECTION OF OUR PROJECTS. SO WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT THEY'LL START TO BALANCE IN OUR COMMUNITY. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT IT'S EASIER TO DO A PROJECT YOU HAVE RIGHT OF WAY AND YOU DO NOT HAVE TO ACQUIRE RIGHT OF WAY BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T LIKE TO SEE YOU COME TO THEIR FRONT YARD. EVEN THE PART IS THE RIGHT AWAY NOW THAT THEY DON'T REALIZE ISN'T THEIR FRIEND TECHNICALLY PART OF THEIR PROPERTY THEY GET FAIRLY LOW FEEDBACK OR DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER GOTTESMAN THANK YOU CHAIR. I THINK WELL FIRST OF ALL THANK YOU FOR COMING TO US AND PRESENTING THIS I KNOW AS LOT OF STREETS AND A LOT OF DETAIL T AS RESIDENTS AND THAT DRIVE AND LIVE IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS WE CAN PUT SOME CONTEXT AND WHAT THIS WORK IS BEING DONE AND I KNOW PERSONALLY I'VE BEEN ABLE TO INFLUENCE A CROSSING ON THE STREET NEXT TO MY HOUSE AND I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE XERXES CROSSING 98TH BECAUSE IT IS PRECARIOUS. THERE'S REALLY NOWHERE TO JUST TO CROSS THERE AND SO I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT AS IT IS A HAZARD I SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE ON BIKES AND KIDS GOING ON THAT ROAD MYSELF INCLUDED AND THERE'S JUST NO PLACE TO STOP OR TO ALERT DRIVERS WHO A GOING FASTER THAN THE SPEED LIMIT ON A 98. SO I LOVE THE DETAIL AND THE VISUALS SO I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR THAT. I GUESS A QUESTION THAT I HAD AND THIS I WAS THINKING OF AND SHARE ROMAN'S FAVORITE IS YOU KNOW SIDEWALKS AND SO ON THESE RE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS THAT YOU HAVE. IS THERE ANY INTENTION OR ANY PLANS ON ON PUTTING IN NEW SIDEWALK NOT JUST SIDEWALKS AND IN ANY OF THESE PROJECTS? CHAIR ROHMAN COMMISSIONER GOLTZMAN WE WILL DO SIDEWALK INFILL FOR PROJECT AND WE WILL REPAIR ANY SIDEWALK DEFLECTIONS AND UPGRADE TO ADA THINGS BUT WE DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE LIKE ADDING NEW SIDEWALK TO OVERLOOK OR IN OUR PROGRAM THE DISCUSSION. OKAY NICE WORK. I HAVE AN ANECDOTE FOR YOU THE SAWTOOTH IMAGE OF THE 70 YEARS OF A LIFE CYCLE. I HAD A FAMILY MEMBER WHO LIVES IN A EX-URBAN COMMUNITY WHICH I WANT OUT THAT COMMUNITY BUT THEY HAVE A HOUSE AND THEY HAD TO HAVE A STREET REBUILT THE SUMMER AND THEY SAID HOW ON EARTH IS IT POSSIBLE THAT A STREET THAT'S ONLY 20 YEARS OLD THAT WE HAD TO PAY TO HAVE IT REBUILT? AND I SAID WELL I ACTUALLY USED THAT IMAGE. I SENT IT TOHEM. I SAI IF YOUR CITY WAS BEST PRACTICES THEY WOULDN'T HAVE THIS PROBLEM. SO NICE WORK. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THE LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS THE ROUTINE COMMISSION POLICY AND ISSUE UPDATE AND I WILL START WITH THE PLANNING MANAGER FOR ITEMS THAT HE HAS. IT'S SHARON ROHMAN. COMMISSIONERS ARE NEXT MEETING WILL BE SEPTEMBER 28TH IN TWO WEEKS WE HAVE TWO ITEMS LEFT ON THAT AGENDA. ONE H WITHDRAWN. THE TWO ITEMS LEFT INCLUDE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO EXPAND THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN AT AN EXISTING CHILDCARE CENTER. 9201 NORMAN DALE BOULEVARD AND THEN THE SECOND ITEM IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO EXPAND THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS ADDED IN THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY THAT'S AT 1100 EAST 80TH STREET THEN THE SUBSEQUENT MEETING AFTER THAT OCTOB 5TH CANCELED DUEO LACK OF ITEMS AND AFTER THAT OCTOBER 12TH WE HAVE A FULL AGENDA ON 12TH INCLUDING FIVE ITEMS FINAL AND BUILDING PLANNED FOR AN EXPANSION AT THE BP GAS STATION 9200 OLD CEDAR AVENUE. SECOND ITEM IS FROM SITE AND BUILDING PLANS FOR KENNEDY STADIUM IMPROVEMENTS BLOOMINGTON KENNEDY HIGH SCOL AND THEN A SIMILAR APPLICATION FOR STADIUM IMPROVEMENTS AT BLOOMINGTON JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL AND THEN THE ANNUAL MISCELLANEOUS ISSUES ORDINANCE. AND FINALLY A STUDY ITEM ON. WELL WHEN WE BACK UP THE MISCELLANEOUS ISSUES ORDINANCE THAT IS A STUDY DISCUSSION AND THEN ANOTHER STUDY DISCUSSION OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE UPDATES. SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE COMING UP ON FUTURE AGENDAS. UM, I DID WANT TO JUST MENTION THAT WITH THE RESIGNATION OF COMMISSIONER MORENO WE DO HAVE AN OPENING ON THE COMMISSION. SO IF ANYBODY'S WATCHING FROM HOME AND INTERESTED IN SERVING ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION DEFINITELY SUBMIT AN APPLICATION. IT HASN'T OPENED YET BUT IT WILL SOON AND WOULD BE AVAILABLE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION WEBSITE IN THE NEAR FUTURE WE HOP TOAVE A NEW COMMISSIONER ON BOARD BY MID-NOVEMBER AND THEN COMMISSIONERS IF YOU KNOW OF PEOPLE THAT MAY INTERESTED PLEASE ENCOURAGE THEM TO APPLY AS WELL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND IN ADDITION TO THOSE OF US ON THE COMMISSION ENCOURAGING OTHERS IF THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO ARE INTERESTED AND WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT IT, I THINK ANY ONE OF THESE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION OUR CITY EMAIL ADDRESS IS ON THE WEBSITE. I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST WAYS TO KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT YOU MIGHT BE POTENTIALLY SIGNING UP FOR AND SO THINK ANYONE HERE AT THIS TABLE WOULD BE HAPPY TO SHARE THEIR EXPERIENCE WITH YOU OR ANSWER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AND SO I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING WHO ELSE WE CAN GET TO JOIN US OTHER ITEMS FOR THAT ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO RAISE COMMISSIONER COOKED AND THANK YOU MR. CHAIR AND I THINK I NEED TO BE A BIT CAUTIOUS BECAUSE THIS IS FOR ITEMS THAT WERE NOT ON THIS EVENING'S AGENDA. I BELIEVE SO CORRECT. WE HAVE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN CLOSED. HAVE BEEN CLOSED. YEAH. WELL I THINK I WOULD JUST LIKE TO EXPRESS GENERAL CONCERN ABOUT HAVING ITEMS THAT ARE BEFORE US BEYOND THE IMMEDIATE AGENDA OF THE CITY COUNCIL ON THE FOLLOWING MONDAY THEIR PACKET HAS ALREADY BEEN RELEASED AND LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE WE RECOMMENDED NOT ACCEPTANCE OF AN ITEM AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY WOULD KNOW THAT UNLESS THEY WATCHED MEETING THIS EVENING WHICH THE VIKINGS ARE MORE INTERESTING THAN WE ARE AND SO I HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT THAT AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO IN CASES WHERE THEY ARE THE MONDAY AFTER US AND WE MAKE A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT DECISION. I HOPE WE'RE LETTING THEM KNOW BECAUSE IF THEY DON'T FIND OUT UNTIL SOMEBODY IS SPEAKING IN FRONT OF THEM ON MONDAY NIGHT I DON'T THINK IT HAS THE PROPER THAT OUR COMMISSION SHOULD HAVE. WE'RE AN ADVISORY COMMISSION AND THEY SHOULD KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND I CERTAINLY HOPE THEY DO SO I GUESS THAT'S A GENERAL COMMENT BUT I HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT US HAVING AGENDA ITEMS ON THE FOLLOWING MONDAY'S MEETING WITH THE CITY COUNCIL FOR A POINT OF PROCEDURE GIVEN THE DIRECTION THAT OR THE OUTCOME OF OF ONE ITEM IS IS THERE IS WITH THE TYPICALLY HAVE SOME COMMUNICATION WITH EITHER THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER THE COUNCIL OR AND I WOULD TAKE QUESTIONS QUICK TO POINT OUT PRIOR TO STAFF PRESENTATION ON MONDAY IS THERE A WAY THAT ACTION WOULD BE COMMUNICATED TO COMMISSIONERS? WE'LL DISCUSS THAT FURTHER WITH ENGINEERING. TYPICALLY THE CITY COUNCIL WOULDE NOTIFIED VIA A NEWSLETTER THAT COMES OUT FRIDAY SO TOMORROW THAT WOULD BE ONE AREA OF NOTIFICATION AND THEN CERTAINLY IN THE PRESENTATION MONDAY NIGHT BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL THAT WOULD BE A SECOND GO I THINK GIVEN THAT THERE IS TYPICALLY A NOTIFICATION ON FRIDAY FEELS PROBABLY BETTER THAN NOT AT ALL UNTIL MONDAY BUT I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. THE GENERAL PRACTICE IS TEN DAYS FROM AN ITEM ON OUR AGENDA UNTIL UNTIL THE CITY COUNCIL AND SO PERHAPS IN THE FUTURE AND SOME OTHERS WILL BE HERE NEXT SUMMER WHEN THE RULES OF PROCEDURE REVIEWED THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT MAY BE GOOD TO BRING UP AT THAT TIME. YEAH. IF STAFF COULD MAKE A NOTE FOR US TO THINK ABOUT THAT IN OUR NEXT RULES OF PROCEDURE OR I GUESS THAT WOULD BE THEIR RULES OF PROCEDURE I DON'T BUT IF THEY HAVE TO MAKE A NOTE FOR THAT TO BE REVIEWED WOULD BE APPRECIATED. YEAH AND BY THAT I MEAN FORMALIZING SOMETHING THAT SAYS THEY CAN'T HAVE ITITHIN THIS MANY DAYS OF OUR MEETING COULD OTHER ITEMS COMMISSIONER AGREE I GUESS THANK CHAIR I GUESS I SHOULD JUST SAY THANK YOU TO THE CITY STAFF BECAUSE I HAD NOT DONE THAT IN ANY WAY WHILE I WAS MAKING POINTS AND ASKING SOME VERY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. SO MY APOLOGIES FOR YOU KNOW NOT APPRECIATING AND MAKING A POINT OF YOUR EFFORTS AND BEING HERE LATE AT NIGHT ON A THURSDAY. SO THANK YOU OTHER ITEMS FOR THE GROUP. OKAY. SEEING NON WE ARE ADJOURNED UNTIL SEPTEMBER 28TH