APRIL 17, 2025 SPECIAL LAND USE COMMITTEE MEETING WILL COME TO ORDER. IT IS 2:04 P.M.. I'M MARK SULLIVAN, CHAIR OF LAND USE COMMITTEE. WILL THE CLERK CALL THE ROLL? >> VICE CHAIR STRAUSS? >> PRESENT. >> COUNCILMEMBER MOORE? >> PRESENT. >> COUNCILMEMBER RINCK? >> PRESENT. >> CHAIR SULLIVAN? >> PRESENT. >> THERE ARE FOUR MEMBERS PRESENT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA IS ACCUSED FROM TODAY'S MEETING. I MOVE TO ADOPT THE AGENDA. IS THERE AN A SECOND? >> SECOND. IT HAS BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED. IF THERE IS NO OBJECTION, THE AGENDA WILL BE MOVED TO MOVE ITEM 7 AFTER THE SEATTLE DESIGN COMMISSION APPOINTMENT. OKAY? HEARING NO OBJECTION, THE AGENDA IS AMENDED AND THE COMMITTEE WILL DISCUSS ITEM 7 AFTER THE SEATTLE DESIGN COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS. >> CHAIR? >> YES, COUNCILMEMBER STRAUSS? >> APOLOGIES, I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW, I WILL UNFORTUNATELY HAVE A # 3:00 P.M. STOP, 3:15 P.M. HARD STOP. SO IF YOU NEED ME, I WILL HAVE TO LEAVE AT 3:15 AT THE LATEST. >> UNDERSTOOD, WE WILL EXPEDDITE. ALL RIGHT. IF THERE IS NO OBJECTION, THE AGENDA WILL BE ADOPTED AS AMENDED. OKAY. HEARING NO OBJECTION, THE AGENDA IS ADOPTED AS AMENDED. THANK YOU FOR COMING TO THIS THURSDAY AFTERNOON MEETING TO DISCUSS LAND USE. AS ALWAYS, WANT TO GIVE MY THANKS TO CENTRAL STAFF, TO OUR CITY CLURGS AND TO THE DEPARTMENT OF CONSTRUCTION INSPECTIONS FOR HELPING US PREPARE FOR THE MEETING. WE WILL NOW OPEN THE HYBRID PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. PUBLIC COMMENTS SHOULD RELATE TO ITEMS ON AGENDA. PLEASE. AND WITHIN THE PURSUE OF THIS COMMITTEE. FOR THOSE REGISTERED TO SPEAK ON ITEM 6 ON THE AGENDA, WE WILL ACCEPT COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM ONCE WE REACH ITEM 6 AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. CLERK, HOW MANY DO WE HAVE SIGNED UP FOR TODAY FOR COMMENT? >> CURRENTLY WE HAVE FIVE IN PERSON SPEAKERS SIGNED UP. >> FIVE IN PERSON, NO REMOTE? >> I APOLOGIZE, TWO IN PERSON, AND THREE REMOTE. >> OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. EACH SPEAKER WILL HAVE 2 MINUTES. WE WILL START WITH IN PERSON SPEAKERS FIRST. CLERK, CAN YOU READ THE PUBLIC COMMENT INSTRUCTIONS? >> PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD WILL BE MODERATED IN THE FOLLOWING MANNER, THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS UP TO 20 MINUTES, SPEAKER WILL BE CALLED IN ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE REGISTERED. SPEAKERS WILL ALTERNATE BETWEEN SETS OF IN PERSON AND REMOTE SPEAKERS UNTIL THE PERIOD IS ENDED. SPEAKERS WILL HEAR A CHIME WHEN 10 SECONDS ARE LEFT. MICS WILL BE MUTED IF THEY DO NOT END THE COMMENTS WITHIN THE ALLOTTED TIME. THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS NOW OPEN. WE WILL BEGIN WITH THE FIRST SPEAKER ON THE LIST AND THAT WILL BE MR. ZIMMERMANN. I'M TRYING TO BRING IT UP, SIR. >> READY? SEEING HIEL MY DAM NAZI FASCISTS. MY NAME IS ALEX ZIMMERMANN, CENTER FOR AMERICAN SUPPORT. I HAVE 6,000 DAYS OF TRESPASS. I WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT NUMBER 1234 THE CONDITION, I TALK ABOUT THIS MANY TIMES. I COME TO THIS PLACE THOUSAND AND THOUSAND TIME. I NEVER SEE YOU CONDITIONAL HERE. NO ONE, NO ONE COME AND TALKING. WHY? THEY ALL FREAKING IDIOT? HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE? THEY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. WE HAVE ENDURED THE SITUATION FOR LAST 30 YEARS AND NO FUTURE WILL BE. NO AMERICA IDIOT IS THIS CHAMBER OF. TOTALLY CONFUSE ME BECAUSE YOU CAN DO EVERYTHING WHAT YOU WANT. FOR EXAMPLE, I HAVE MERCEDES. WHY SHE P PUT THE CAR MERCEDES IN COUNCIL CHAIRMAN? SO WHAT IS EVERYONE WHO COMES TALK ABOUT MERCEDES, WHAT IS GOING ON? IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE LIMITS NOW. YOU CAN'T BE IDIOT. YOU SUPPOSED TO BE PROGRESS. BUT I DON'T SEE ETHE PROGRESS FOR 30 YEARS. I SEE TOTAL REGRESS BECAUSE BOTH DECISION YOU MAKE FOR 30 YEARS BRING SEATTLE TO TOTAL COLLAPSE. I WILL SPEAK ABOUT CARS BECAUSE FOR ME IT IS VERY INTERESTING POINT. SO FOR LAST 10, 12 YEARS, YOU KNOW 70,000, 75,000 INCOME. 60% PEOPLE CANNOT LIVE IN SEATTLE OR IN KING COUNTRY BECAUSE WE ARE FASCIST CITY. STAND UP FOR AMERICA. MAKE AMERICA GOOD, VIVA REVOLUTION. THANK YOU. >> ONE MOMENT, CHAIR. NEXT UP WE EHAVE RUTHDITE. >> MY NAME IS RUTHDITE. I'M A RETIRED LAND USE PLANNER AND LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT REPRESENTING FRIENDS OF QUEEN ANNE'S. WE HOPE IT IS CLEAR THAT THE NR ZONE CHANGES PROPOSED IN THE CITY'S ORDINANCE ARE NOT ALL THAT IS REQUIRED UNDER HB1110. THE LAW DOES NOT SPEAK TO SETBACKS OR HEIGHTS AT ALL. MOST OF WHAT IS OUTLINED IN THE MIDDLE HOUSING ORDER INDEPENDENCE IS ADVISORY. WE ALSO IF YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY FUNDED ECONORTHWEST HOUSING FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS UNDERESTIMATES MIDDLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT CAPACITY T. IT DID NOT INCLUDE ADUS AND DADUS ON CONVERSION OF EXISTING HOME UNIT, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WHAT WE SEE TODAY. SO IT IS EXCESSIVELY UNDERESTIMATED I BELIEVE THE MIDDLE HOUSING CAPACITY. DESPITE THIS, THE STUDY FOUND THAT THE DEMAND MIDDLE HOUSING WILL BE LESS THAN SUPPLY. I HAD TO READ THE PORTION OF THE REPORT SEVERAL TIMES. THE WRITING WAS INPONDERABLE BUT THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS. GIVEN THESE FACTS, WE SEE NO REASON TO PROCEED WITH A COMPLICATED INTERIM ORDINANCE NO ONE FULLY UNDERSTANDS. A SIMPLER APPROACH WOULD BE TO ADOPT AN INTERIM ORDINANCE THAT MEETS BUT DOES NOT EXCEED HB1110. WE THINK PLANNING STAFF WASTED ITS TIME ON THIS STUDY THAT ONLY LOOKED AT COMPARING EXISTING ORDINANCES TO PROPOSED. NR IS NOW OBSOLETE. WHY DIDN'T IT COMPARE A BASELINE HB1110 TO ITS PROPOSED? WE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN A LOT MORE INFORMATION IF IT HAD DONE SO E. NOW WE ARE MISSING THAT INFORMATION. >> THANK YOU. WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO REMOTE COMMENTERS. >> FIRST UP WE HAVE DANIELLE DUVAL. >> COMMITTEE MEMBERS, MY NAME IS DANIELLE DUVAL. I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF MAIL WASHINGTON STATE. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON COUNCIL BILL 120948. THIS PROHOUSING BILL STRONGLY SUPPORTS SEATTLE'S HOUSING NEEDS AND CONTINUES ECONOMIC RECOVERY. WE ENCOURAGE THE COUNCIL TO ADVANCE THIS LEGISLATION. PASSING CB120948 WILL SERVE THOUSAND OF PERMITTED HOUSING UNITS THAT WILL OTHERWISE DISAPPEAR WHEN THEIR BUILDING PERMITS EXPIRE. IT PROTECTS THE TENS OF MILLIONS IN UNPAID MAK FEES ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECTS. THE PANDEMIC AND SUBSEQUENT ECONOMIC HEAD WNDZ HAVE STALLED MULTIFAMILY AND OFFICE PROJECTS AROUND THE CITY. ACKNOWLEDGING THIS ONCE IN A LIFETIME SITUATION WITH A 24 MONTH HARDSHIP EXTENSION FOR A BUILDING PERMIT ADDRESSES OUR HOUSING SUPPLY AND AFFORDABILITY CHALLENGES ENSURES THE PANDEMIC DOES NOT CREATE NEW UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES FOR RENTERS IN THE HOUSING COMMUNITY. WE APPLAUD THE COUNCIL'S LEADERSHIP AND WILLINGNESS TO ADDRESS POST PANDEMIC ISSUES AND URGE THE COUNCIL TO CONTINUE TO MOVE THIS FORWARD TOWARDS ADOPTION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> EXCELLENT. NEXT UP WE HAVE SCOTT COBBLEMAN. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR SOLOMON AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS. MY NAME IS SCOTT COBBLEMAN, I'M WITH FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, A DEVELOPER OWNER, OPERATOR AND LONGTERM HOLDER OF APARTMENT HOME COMMUNITIES IN THE SEATTLE AREA. I'M HERE ALSO TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF COUNCIL BILL 120948. WE HAVE TWO APARTMENT HOME PROJECTS IN SEATTLE WITH MASTER USE PERMITS, BOTH THE NINE UNDER THE 200 BUILDING CODE. THESE TWO PROJECTS COMBINED WILL SOME DAY PROVIDE 706 APARTMENT HOMES, ALMOST $400 MILLION IN CONSTRUCTION COSTS THAT WOULD GENERATE ROUGHLY $40 MILLION IN TOTAL SALES TAX OF WHICH $15 MILLION WOULD GO TO THE CITY AND $4.4 MILLION IN MHA FEES. BOTH ARE TYPE ONE CONSTRUCTION AND WOULD USE UNION LABOR. WE ARE COMMITTED TO CONTINUING TO INVEST IN SEATTLE BUT WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECTS DUE TO COVID, APPEAL, AND CHALLENGING CAPITAL MARKET CONDITIONS WHICH WE DON'T SEE CHANGING ANY TIME SOON. NOW NEW TRADE WARS AND TARIFFS WHICH COULD AFFECT THE PRICE OF EVERYTHING FROM DRY WALL TO ALUMINUM WINDOWS AND STEEL HAVE ADDED UNSRNT TO THE ABILITY TO BREAK GROUND IN THE NEW FUTURE. WITHOUT THE LEGISLATION, THE TIME AND ADDED COST TO REDESIGN THE PROJECT AND THE ADDED CONSTRUCTION COSTS TO COMPLY WITH NEW BUILDING CODES WOULD RENDER THE PROJECT UNFEASIBLE FOR NEARLY A DECADE. I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO CONSIDER THE DEVELOPMENT, GIVEN THE LOW HOUSING IN SEATTLE AND I HOPE YOU APPROVE IT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> LAST, WE HAVE DAVID HAINES. >> THANK YOU. DAVID HAINES. I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WE STILL NEED 21st CENTURY, FIRST QUALITY HOUSING BUILDOUTS WITH INCENTIVES FOR DEVELOPERS WHO WOULD ROBUSTLY BUILD HIGHER. IF YOU BUILD HIGHER, THERE'S LESS SPRAWL AND MORE HOUSING IN ONE AREA. THAT MEANS LESS TREES WILL BE TORN DOWN. IT WOULD GIVE PEOPLE BETTER, LIVABLE AMENITY SPACES WITHIN THE BUILDING. BUT WE STILL HAVE RESTRICTIONS THAT DENY THE DEVELOPERS TO PENCIL IN SOMETHING TO MAKE THE INFLATABLE ADJUSTMENTS SO IT IS WORTH RISKING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. IT SEEMS IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THE RESTRICTIONS OFF THE HEIGHT LEVELS AND INCENTVISE PEOPLE TO BUILD OUT THE FLOOR PLAN AND ALLOW FOR LIVABLE AMENITY SPACES WITHIN THE BUILDING INSTEAD OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC WHERE YOU HAVE TO LEAVE A PARK BENCH FOR PEOPLE TO ACT LIKE YOU ARE GIVING BACK, YOU GOT TO HAVE 21st CENTURY, FIRST WORLD QUALITY HOMES AND CHOICES AND REAL EQUITY INSTEAD OF BEING STUCK IN THE 20th CENTURY, WATERED DOWN, MISINTERPRETATION OF HOUSING. IT IS CAR CENTRIC. IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR PRESENTATION TODAY ON SLIDE 13, THERE ARE TWO HOUSES AND ONE CAR. YOU LOOK TO THE RIGHT, ENTRANCE TO ANOTHER HOUSE. THAT IS A VIOLATION THAT WE NEED TO DESIGN AWAY FROM. BECAUSE ONE CAR RUINS ALL THREE LIVABLE SPACES BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO THE JERK WITH THE DOOR SLAMMING, DOOR HAUPGING, HEADLIGHTS, TOXIC EXHAUST, INTO THE HOUSES OF OTHER HOUSE AND PEOPLE ARE ASKING LIKE THAT'S THE BEST ON THE LESSER OF. WE NEED TO GET ROBUST BUILDOUTS THAT GO HIGHER INSTEAD OF MODERN THIRD WORLD SLUM THAT MAKE IT EASIER FOR NONPROFITS TO BUILD CRAPPY HOMES. >> THANK YOU, MR. HAINES. THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS. >> GREAT. AS THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS, WE WILL PROCEED TO OUR OTHER ITEMS OF BUSINESS. CLERK, CAN YOU PLEASE READ ITEMS ONE THROUGH FIVE INTO THE RECORD. >> APPROVEMENTS, 3115 THROUGH 3119. APPOINTMENTS OF RAYMOND GASTIL, SHIRIN MASUDEY, PHOEBE ERIN BOGUEERT, BEN GIST AND CONSERVEN O'NEAL FOR SEATTLE DESIGN COMMISSION. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LOOKS LIKE OUR REPRESENTATIVES AND POTENTIAL APPOINTEES AND JOINED US AT THE TABLE. PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD. >> MARCO JENKINS, I'M DIRECTOR OF THE SEATTLE DESIGN COMMISSION. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, I'M CONSERVEN O'NEAL, A CURRENT MEMBER OF THE SEATTLE ZONING COMMISSION. >> SHERY MESIDY, PROJECT MANAGER. >> I'M RICK GASTIL, APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR TO THE ASSIGNED COMMISSION. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO PLEASE PROCEED. >> THANK YOU. JUST A BRIEF BACKGROUND ABOUT THE SEATTLE DESIGN COMMISSION. WE HAVE BEEN IN EXISTENCE SINCE 1968. THE COMMISSION ADVISES THE MAYOR, THE CITY COUNCIL AND CITY DEPARTMENT AND DINE OF IMPLEMENTATION OF CAPITAL PROJECTS AS WELL AS PROJECTS BOTH PRIVATE AND PUBLIC THAT WANT LONGTERM OR PERMANENT USE OF THE RIGHT AWAY. THERE ARE TEN COMMISSIONERS, ALL OF WHICH ARE APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR AND CONFIRMED BY COUNCIL WHICH WE ARE DOING TODAY. THE COMMISSION HAS A UNIQUE ROLE IN CONTINUING ON FOR SEVERAL YEARS, LOOKING AT THE LIBRARY EXTENSION, BOTH THE GUIDE WAY AND EXTENSION. WE ARE HAPPY TO HAVE THREE PEOPLE JOIN US AS WELL AS THE APPOINTMENT OF TWO ADDITIONAL COMMISSIONERS. I WILL DO BRIEF INTRODUCTIONS BUT FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE OF THE COMMISSIONERS. KEVIN O'NEAL IS UP FOR APPOINTMENT AS CHAIR. OUR CHAIR IS APPOINTED BY MAYOR AND CONFIRMED BY COUNCIL. HE IS UP FOR REAPPOINTMENT AS A SECOND TERM AS TRANSPORTATION PLANNER. KEVIN HAS A LONG CAREER IN CITY SERVICE, BOTH AS A DEPUTY DIRECTOR HERE FOR THE SEATTLE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AS WELL AS STREET USE MANAGER AS WELL AS A CAREER IN THE CITY OF BELLEVUE IN A VARIETY OF MANAGERIAL ROLES. SHIRIN MASOUDI JOINS US AT THE AT LARGE COMMISSIONER. SHE CURRENTLY IS AN ARCHITECT AND PROJECT MANAGER AT GENSLER, A WORLD WIDE ARCHITECTURAL FIRM. SHIRIN SPECIALIZES IN STRATEGIC PLANNING FOR CAPITAL INVESTMENTS. WE ARE VERY PLEASED SHE IS ABLE TO JOIN THE COMMISSION. FINALLY, RAY GASTIL. HE HAS OVER 30 YEAR CAREER IN POSITIONS AS PLANNING DIRECTOR FOR THE CITY OF PITTSBURGH, PLANNING DIRECTOR FOR THE CITY OF SEATTLE, ROLE WITH CARNEGIE MELLON AND THE URBAN DESIGN GROUP AND NUMEROUS OTHER POSITIONS IN THE URBAN PLANNING WHICH ARE DETAILED IN YOUR PACKET. WE HAVE TWO ADDITIONAL REAPPOINTMENTS FOR BEN GIST WHO IS ONE OF OUR ARCHITECTS AND PHOEBE BOGUEERT WHO IS OUR OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT. WE ARE PLEASED THAT THE VEGS TODAY ARE ABLE TO NOT ONLY SERVE IN THE CAPACITY BUT FOR THE WORK THAT THE DESIGN COMMISSION DOES WHICH TRIES TO ELEVATE AND ENHANCE THE PUBLIC REALM AND DESIGN AND ENVIRONMENTAL IMPLICATION OF PROJECTS FUNDED BY YOU. WITH THAT, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE COMMISSIONERS, I'M SURE THEY ARE HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU MORE ABOUT THEIR INTERESTS AND DESIRE TO BE ON THE COMMISSION. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DO ANY OF THE COLLEAGUES HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE COMMISSIONERS? OR SOON TO BE COMMISSIONERS? OKAY. COUNCILMEMBER STRAUSS? >> THANK YOU, CHAIR. I WON'T GO THROUGH THE LIST ONE BY ONE JUST TO THANK EVERYONE FOR THEIR VOLUNTEER SERVICE FOR THE SERVICE THROUGH THE DESIGN SERVICE COMMISSION. KEVIN, GREAT TO SEE YOU, EVEN IF I HAVE COMING TO YOU LIVE FROM DISTRICT 6. THANK YOU FOR STEPPING UP TO BE THE CHAIR AGAIN. IT IS ALWAYS FUN TO RUN INTO YOU. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> DO ANY OF THE FOLKS WHO ARE HERE IN ATTENDANCE WANT TO OFFER ANY WORDS? >> THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE. >> COOL. LET'S GET ON WITH THE VOTING. OKAY. SO ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. I MOVE THAT THE COMMITTEE RECOMMEND CONFIRMATION OF APPOINTMENTS 3115 THROUGH 3119. IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> IT HAS BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED TO RECOMMEND CONFIRMATION OF THE APPOINTMENTS. ARE THERE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? HEARING NONE, CLERK, WILL YOU CALL THE ROLL? >> VICE CHAIR STRAUSS? >> YES. >> COUNCILMEMBER MOORE? >> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER RINCK? >> YES. >> CHAIR SOLOMON?A . >> THERE ARE FOUR VOTES IN FAVOR AND ZERO OPPOSED. >> THE MOTION CARRIES. THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE COUNCIL CONFIRM THE APPOINTMENT WILL BE SENT TO THE APRIL 22, 2025 COUNCIL MEETING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR AATTENDANCE. WE LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING THE VOTE ACROSS THE FINISH LINE. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS. WILL THE CLERK READ ITEM 7 INTO THE RECORD? >> AGENDA ITEM 7, COUNCIL BIG 120948, AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO SEATTLE'S CONSTRUCTION CODES ALLOWING FOR THE EXTENSION OF CERTAIN PROJECTS BUILDING PERMITS AMENDING SECTIONS 106.9 OF THE SEATTLE BUILDING CODE ADOPTED BY ORDINANCE 127108. >> OKAY, GREAT. THIS IS FOR BRIEFING, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE VOTE. PRESENTERS HAVE JOINED US AT THE TABLE. PLEASE READ -- INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD. >> LISH WHITTSON, CENTRAL STAFF. >> PLEASE PROCEED. >> COUNCIL BILL 120948, YOU RECEIVED A BRIEFING LAST MEETING. VERY BRIEFLY, THIS LEGISLATION WOULD ALLOW BUILDING PERMIT APPLICANTS AN ADDITIONAL 24 MONTH EXTENSION ON EXISTING PERMIT APPLICATIONS, AND ISSUE PERMITS FOR PROJECTS TO THE 2015 OR 2018 BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS. AS A REMINDER, WE ARE CURRENTLY PERMITTING PROJECTS UNDER THE 2021 BUILDING CODE. IN ORDER FOR VESTED PROJECTS TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR EXTENSION UNDER THIS LEGISLATION, PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD BE REQUIRED TO ATTEST THE PROJECT HAS WIN STALLED DUE TO FINANCIAL ISSUES AND MUST HAVE REQUESTED AN EXTENSION PRIOR TO NOVEMBER 12, 2024. THAT'S THE DATE IN LEGISLATION. YOU HAVE THE AMENDMENT IN FRONT OF YOU THAT WOULD CHANGE THE DATE. I'M HAPPY TO APSER ANY QUESTIONS. >> OKAY. SO ANY ITEMS -- ANY QUESTIONS CONCERNS, FOR OUR PRESENTER? ALL RIGHT. THAT WAS EASY. SO AT THIS POINT, I THINK WE ARE READY TO MOVE TOWARDS A VOTE ON THIS? OKAY. I MOVE THAT THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS PASSAGE OF COUNCILMEMBER 120948. IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> IT HAS BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED TO RECOMMEND PASMG OF THE BILL. ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE. >> COUNCILMEMBER? COUNCILMEMBER STRAUSS RAISED HIS HAND. >> YES, COUNCILMEMBER STRAUSS. >> MY DIGITAL HAND WAS SLOWER THAN MY HAND. WE PASSED A SIMILAR BILL PANDEMIC REGARDING MASTER USE PERMITS. I BELIEVE THIS IS A PRUDENT DECISION AT THIS TIME. AND I WILL ALSO SAY THAT WHEN WE WERE MAKING THOSE DECISIONS IN 2020 ABOUT 2015 CODE, THAT WAS FIVE YEARS AGO, WE ARE NOW AT A 10 YEAR MARK. SO AS WE GET FURTHER AWAY FROM THE PANDEMIC, I BELIEVE THAT AGAIN, THIS IS PRUDENT TODAY BUT THIS WILL BE THE LAST SET OF EXTENSIONS THAT I WILL BE ABLE TO SUPPORT MOVING OUT OF THE ECONOMIC DOWNTURN ASSOCIATED WITH THE PANDEMIC. IT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP THESE PROPERTIES BUILT. THERE IS A LOT OF BENEFIT TO THE CITY. AND AT THE SAME TIME, THIS WILL BE THE LAST OF THE EXTENSIONS THAT I WILL LIKELY SUPPORT. JUST WANT TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD, THANK YOU, CHAIR. >> THANK YOU, AND UNDERSTOOD. ALL RIGHT. WILL THE CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON THE RECOMMENDATION TO PASS BILL 120948. >> WOULDIA LIKE TO MOVE THE AMENDMENT? >> YES. OKAY. AND SPEAK ON THE AMENDMENT ONE MORE TIME. >> THE AMENDMENT IS VERY SIMPLE. IT CHANGES THE DATE IN THE BILL FOR FILING FOR AN APPLICATION TO EXTEND THE PERMIT FROM NOVEMBER 12, 2024 WHICH IS IN THE PAST, AND YOU WOULD HAVE HAD TO FILE BEFORE THAT DATE, TO NOVEMBER 2026 WHICH IS WHEN THE NEXT BUILDING CODES WILL BE ADOPTED. >> SO I MOVE WE AMEND THE EXISTING LEGISLATION TO MAKE THAT DATE CHANGE. IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> OKAY. >> IT IS MOVED AND SECONDED. ANY FURTHER COMMENT OR DISCUSSION? OKAY. CLERK, CAN YOU CALL THE ROLL ON THE APPROVEMENT OF THE AMENDMENT? >> VASE CHAIR STRAUSS? >> YES. >> COUNCILMEMBER MOORE? >> AYE. >> CHAIR SOLOMON. >> AYE. >> THERE ARE FOUR IN FAVOR AND ZERO OPPOSED. >> THE MOTION TO ADOPT THE AMENDMENT TO THE LEGISLATION HAS BEEN APPROVED. NOW I MOVE THAT THE COMMITTEE RECOMMEND PASSAGE OF THE AMENDED LEGISLATION COUNCIL BILL 120948. IS THERE A SECOND FOR THAT? >> SECOND. >> OKAY. IT HAS BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, WILL CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON THE RECOMMENDATION TO PASS AMENDED BILL 120948? >> VICE CHAIR STRAUSS. >> YES. >> COUNCILMEMBER MOORE? >> A YE. >> COUNCILMEMBER RINCK? >> AYE. >> CHAIR SOLOMON? >> AYE. >> THERE ARE FOUR IN FAVOR. >> THE BILL WILL BE SENT TO THE APRIL 22, 2025 COUNCIL MEETING. NOW, WE WILL NOW MOVE TO THE NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS, CLERK WILL YOU PLEASE READ ITEM 6 INTO THE RECORD. >> AGENDA ITEM 7, AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO LAND USE AND ZONING, EXPANDING HOUSING OPTIONS BY EASING BARRIERS TO THE CONSTRUCTION AND USE OF ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS AS REQUIRED BY STATE LEGSHIP. >> OKAY. SO WE WILL DO BRIEFING, DISCUSSION, AND HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING. THIS LEGISLATION REGARDS SEATTLE'S ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT LAWS AND IS RESPONSIVE TO HOUSE BILL 1377 WHICH WAS PASSED IN 2023. WE WILL HOLD PUBLIC HEARING FIRST AND LISTEN TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. AFTER THE HEARING, REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE SEATTLE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC INSPECTIONS AND COUNCIL CENTRAL STAFF WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS COUNCIL MAY HAVE. AS PRESIDING OFFICER, I'M OPENING THE PUBLIC HEARING ON COUNCIL BILL 120949 RELATING TO AMENDMENTS TO THE ACSAYSRY DWELLING UNITS, IMPLEMENTING POUS BILL 1337. HOW MANY DO WE HAVE SIGNED UP FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING? >> WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS SIGNED UP FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> OKAY. EACH SPEAKER WILL BE PROVIDED WITH 2 MINUTES. CLERK, I WILL HAND IT OVER TO YOU TO PRESENT THE INSTRUCTIONS FOR PUBLIC HEARING. >> FIRST UP WE HAVE ALEXZIMMERMANN. JUST A MOMENT, SIR. >> AS A REMINDER, COMMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE OFFERED AT THIS TIME MUST PERTAIN TO THE ITEM IN FRONT OF US WHICH IS COUNCIL BILL -- WHERE DID I PUT IT? 120949. AGAIN, PLEASE, EACH SPEAKER WILL HAVE 2 MINUTES RELATED TO CAN YOU MEAN BILL 120949. THAT WAS THE PREVIOUS ONE WE DISCUSSED. >> SIG HIEL MY DAM DIRTYNAZI FASCISTS. MY NAME ALEX ZIMMERMANN. I HAVE 6,000 DAYS OF TRESPASS AND FIVE TIMES PROCEDURE. I WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT HOUSING. I HAVE EXPERTISE FOR 30 YEARS. ALL DECISIONS WHAT YOU MAKE FOR THE LAST 30Y YEARS NEVER BRING PEOPLE TO SEE IT. NOBODY CAN AFFORD CITY WHEN THERE ARE 70,000. IN PRICE FOR RENT AND SEATTLE, ONE PROBLEM. I WAS IN AMERICA. SITUATION TOTALLY DIFFERENT BECAUSE WHEN I COME 40 YEARS, SEATTLE NICE, BEAUTIFUL PLACE. MY PROPOSITION VERY SIMPLE. ALL OF YOUR DECISIONS LOCK LIKE DOING SOMETHING, DOING SOMETHING, NOTHING CHANGE. MY PROPOSITION, I TALK ABOUT THIS MANY TIMES. WE HAVE AMAZON, GOOGLE, MICROSOFT, AND ANOTHER COMPANY AND YOU HAVE RIGHT FOR 80 SQUARE FEET. BUILD THIS COMPANY FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE LOW INCOME, PROBABLY 50,000 OR LESS. WHEN YOU ARE NOT DOING THIS, I GIVE YOU CLASSIC EXAMPLE. LOOK AT PRESIDENT TRUMP. HE SHAKE WHOLE PLANET BECAUSE NEGOTIABLE. SO MANY COUNTRIES COME TO HIM RIGHT NOW AND NEGOTIATE AND EVERYBODY WIN. GUYS, WHEN YOU DON'T START NEGOTIATE, THIS BIG CORPORATION, NOTHING WILL BE CHANGED. NOTHING WILL BE BETTER. VIVA NEW AMERICA, AND REVOLUTION. >> THANK YOU, MR. ZIMMERMANN. >> NEXT UP WE HAVE DAVID HAINES. >> THANK YOU, DAVID HAINES. WE REALLY NEED TO REDESIGN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO GET AWAY FROM THE CAR CENTRIC, 20th CENTURY POLICE STATE BLOCKS. I SAY THIS DWELLINGS, YOU GOT TO GO HIGHER TO GET A REPRIEVE FROM THE ROAD RAGE. THERE'S A LOT OF ALLEYWAYS THAT SPLIT ALL OF THESE RESIDENTIALLY ZONED NEIGHBORHOODS AND IT RUINS THE QUALITY OF LIVING AND THE MENTAL HEALTH OF A LOT OF RESIDENTS ALL THROUGHOUT SEATTLE'S NEIGHBORHOODS. WE NEED TO REDESIGN IT TO STOP ALLOWING THE MODERN WHEEL TO DRIVE THROUGH EVERY HALF BLOCK AND BOTHER PEOPLE. IT SOUNDS WEIRD BUT WHAT IF YOU HAD NOISE ABATEMENT WALLS THAT WERE FOUR FEED FROM THE ADUs THAT WOULD BUTT UP AGAINST THE ALLEYWAYS THAT WOULD GIVE THE RESIDENTS WHO WOULD HAVE SERIOUS BUYERS REMORSE IF THEY ACTED LIKE THEY WERE BUYING A CONDO IN THE BACK YARD OF SOMEONE THAT HAD AN OVERWHELMING SERVICE ALLEY THAT LITERALLY HAD DISGRUNTLED EMPLOYEES BANGING AND CLANGING, TRASH, DUMPSTER PICKUPS RIGHT OUTSIDE YOUR BEDROOM AND BACKYARD PRACTICALLY. WHEN PEOPLE WANT TO WEAPONIZE THE TREE ORDINANCE TO DENY PEOPLE A BETTER CHOICE IN HOME SO THEY CAN ROBUSTLY BUILD OUT AND GO HIGHER ON THEIR LOT SO THEY CAN GET A FREAKING VIEW OF THE MOUNTAINS OR THE LAKE OR THE PUJANT SOUND, THERE ARE LOW LIVES IN SEATTLE THAT ARE TRYING TO DENY PEOPLE TO BUILD A BETTER HOME ON THEIR LOT. THERE ARE COUNCIL DEMOCRATS WHO APPEASE THE SELLOUTS WHO HAVE GENTRIFIED FOR TOO LONG. WE NEED LEGISLATION TO ROBUST LEBUILD OUT THE HOUSING AND COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS WITHOUT --. >> CHAIR, THERE ARE NO MORE SPEAKERS. >> THANK YOU, VERY MUCH. AS THERE ARE NO FURTHER SPEAKERS, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. WILL OUR REPRESENTATIVES FROM SDCI AND CENTRAL STAFF PLEASE JOIN US TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS COUNCIL MAY HAVE. AND ONCE YOU ARE READY, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD. >> LISH WHITTSON, COUNCIL CENTRAL STAFF. >> DAVID VANSKIKE, SCEI. >> PLEASE PROCEED. >> YOU ALL DID RECEIVE A BRIEFING AT THE LAST MEETING. WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS PRIOR TO A VOTE ON APRIL 30. >> OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FROM MY COLLEAGUES AT ALL FOR OUR PRESENTERS? YES, COUNCILMEMBER MOORE? >> THANK YOU, CHAIR. I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT THIS IS ALL OF THIS IS CODIFYING THE STATE LEGISLATION THAT -- I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THERE IS A NEW SECTION BEING ADDED BUT THAT NEW SECTION IS BEING ADDED TO INCORPORATE THE STATE LAWS, IS THAT CORRECT? >> IT IS. IT TAKES PIECES OF OUR CURRENT ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT REGULATIONS AND ADDS TO THEM REQUIREMENTS UNDER STATE HOUSE BILL 1337. SO THEIR PROVISIONS FOR EXAMPLE IN OUR CURRENT CODE SAYS THAT YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED TO PROVIDE PARKING FOR AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT. THAT'S NOT PART OF THE STATE HOUSE BILL BUT IT IS IN OUR CURRENT CODE AND THAT'S CARRIED FORWARD. >> OKAY. IS THERE ANY OTHER PROVISION IN HERE THAT'S NEW OR DIFFERENT FROM THE STATE LAW OTHER THAN THAT RELATING TO PARKING? >> I WOULD SAY NO. THERE IS NOTHING THAT IS PROPOSED THAT ISN'T REQUIRED BY STATE LAW. THIS GOES TO THE QUESTION YOU JUST ASKED AND MAYBE THIS WILL HELP FLUSH IT OUT. THE NEW SECTION THAT'S IN THE CODE IS INTENDED TO TAKE THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT RULES WE HAVE NOW, MOST OF WHICH ARE COMPLIANT WITH 1337 FOR MANY AND TO REGULARIZE THEM ACROSS ALL ZONES BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT 1337 CALLS FOR. THAT IS A NEW SECTION. ANY TIME YOU CREATE A NEW SECTION, YOU END UP HAVING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BRIDGE THE GAP. I WOULD SAY IN GENERAL, THERE'S NOTHING IN THE PROPOSED 1337 COMPLIANCE LEGISLATION THAT GOES BEYOND WHAT THE STATE IS ASKING US. IT IS ABOUT NAVIGATING THE EXISTING CODE CONSTRUKTS TO MAKE THEM MAKE SENSE WITH THE NEW LEGISLATION AND THE NEW SECTION YOU REFERRED TO. >> GREAT, THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. >> ALL RIGHT. OKAY COUNCILMEMBER STRAUSS, COUNCILMEMBER RINCK, ANYTHING FOR OUR PRESENTERS? NO? GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TODAY. WE HAVE REACHED THE END OF TODAY'S MEETING AGENDA. OUR NEXT MEETING IS WEDNESDAY APRIL 30, 2025 AT 2:00 P.M. IS THERE ANY FURTHER BUSINESS TO COME BEFORE THE COMMITTEE BEFORE WE ADJOURN? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NO FURTHER BUSINESS TO COME BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE