good evening ladies and gentlemen it is now 5 30 and i will call this regular meeting of the burnsville city council to order it is our tradition to stand for a moment of silence followed by the pledge of allegiance and we invite you to join us i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all if the clerk will notice that all city council members are present we continue to creatively look at how we facilitate our meeting so that we are open and transparent to our community uh during this global pandemic crisis so tonight's meeting is being conducted in person all of our city council members and staff are in the council chambers and practicing social distance members of the public may attend in person if they like members of the public may also watch this meeting online at burnsvillemn.gov meetings or comcast channel 16 or 8 59 if you would like to participate during a meeting remotely you may call 651-372-8299 or join the meeting dot online at slash join more information is available on our meeting web page and in the council agenda packets the next item on the agenda is announcements uh our upcoming meetings are regular council meetings are scheduled for tuesday september 22nd at 5 30 pm and tuesday october 6 at 5 30 pm we have a work session scheduled for tuesday september 15th at 5 30 pm the next item on our agenda is citizens comments this is the opportunity for anyone in the audience who wishes to address the council on an item that is not on the printed agenda and not an application form that will be coming before us at a future date is there anyone who wishes to address the council anyone who wishes to address the council see no one i will move on the next item is for emergency items only and this is additions to the final agenda miss mescali are there any items emergency items to be added to the agenda no matter mayor thank you members of the council okay thank you we will move on the next item is the consent agenda the consent agenda is a group of items that's considered to be routine and will be enacted by one motion however an item on a consent agenda can be removed for a separate discussion and vote is there anyone in the audience who wishes an item and a consent agenda to be removed for a separate discussion and vote anyone who wishes an item to be removed miss muscoli no matter mayor members of the council councilmember keeley item 4l item 4l okay [Applause] all right um may i have a motion to adopt the balance please move to approve second um councilmember gustafsson made that motion and count and second by councilmember keeley all in favor please say aye aye opposed a and a motion carry council member l is to approve the plans and specifications and order the advertisement for bids for the nicholas common spark water feature improvements um would you like staff to be addressing this item for you no need i want to make sure that our community understands that we're going to spend 1.25 million dollars in renovating the entire water features within the park um our our cip is for 750 but we as a council in prior meetings supported up to a half a million dollars to add significant amount of water features to make it more like the splash pad at cliff fen the lions splash pad and because i've i've been in that area and at the other park and i've had i don't even know how many people and i'm sure you had to come up to me yeah or ask me in talking about the water feature of the lions when is the nicollet commons park gonna turn back on it'll be ready to go by memorial day week 21 2021. between now and then some of your some of your tax dollars are going to go for a very significant maintenance and upgrade to hopefully last it for many many years without requiring more but it's going to be quite something when it gets open next summer so we all have something more to look forward to through this cold covered winter that we're predicting yeah thank you the other yeah thank you for bringing it up also but also this is also to repair all of the underground work that has been causing a lot of leakage and so that's going to happen as well so very good would you like to make a motion keeley i would i would move to approve the plans and specifications and order the advertisement for bids for the nikola commons waterpark feature improvements project 20-405 second there's a motion and a second all in favor please say aye aye aye opposed nay no okay and the clerk has a division of the house thank you so much and now we move on to the regular agenda and the first item on the regular agenda is a public hearing and this is a resolution to adopt a 2020 street improvements assessment our city engineer jen desroud is presenting mrs rood good evening mayor and council members i'll be presenting the next four items for all of our assessment hearings tonight so i have those listed we'll start off with item five point a the street improvements and they're broken out into three contract areas um those contract areas we'd like to present overall program details of each contract and then have the public hearing broken up into each contract area so i'll have a slide to break each contract into its own public hearing portion just wanted to give a little history of our pavement management program it's been around since the 90s so for 30 years we've been improving our streets in a systematic manner we have a three-year city-wide condition rating that we look at every street every three years and we apply a rating to it so those ratings there we also don't just rely on the rating but we have a human touch too we go out and inspect every street before so we make sure that we're doing the right action at the right time and special assessments are part of the policy we have we assess up to 40 percent um the three-year average rate that's been used the last several years has been less than 40 for the most part so here's our street projects overview for this this particular cycle back in march we ordered the preliminary report and then in november um almost 10 months ago we had our first neighborhood meetings to introduce the project to the to the residents and the property owners we had our improvement hearings broken into two different hearings in january and february and then we awarded our contracts in march prior to each area starting we had a we mailed a project bulletin and in the past we've had in-person meetings but that wasn't possible this year so we did a project bulletin and directed people to the website and gave contact information through the mail our construction season april to october i just want to point out that this year our construction season was pulled forward we've we started everything earlier than usual so everything was completed all the streets were paved a lot sooner than had been in the past a lot of times we're still paving right now and all of our streets have been paved last one in mid-august and then last month we mailed out the assessment notice which invited people to this hearing and told them their final assessment amount tonight is our public hearing for the special assessment i know we have people here to speak to it and then in the fall we'll be doing a project satisfaction survey which we started last year and we're going to continue to do that on an annual basis so we can get feedback from our residents and the people who are on the projects and we can continue to make improvements and then the project's not over we're having our special assessment hearing but warranty work punchless items continue through the fall and into the spring to make sure that all of it is completed and and done to our satisfaction so for special assessments the methodology and this is for our first two contract areas the 101 and the 102 areas the southwest burnsville area if you recall has a different policy and so i'll be going through that a little bit later the methodology for the first two contracts is based on the footage of budding the street and it's it's measured 30 feet back and it's also the rate is based on the width so a residential street pays a residential width and then there's wider streets and so their their rates are based on that width only forty percent of the street costs are assessed and as i mentioned we have the three year average so it's a max of forty percent but each of the rates brings it down it's it's never uh actual forty percent just so everybody understands that the 60 of the street work is paid by everybody in the city of burnsville yes so that when people say well everybody else drives on this yeah we know that so that's why 60 pays for it as well right that's that's correct and so there is no assessment for utilities your utility rates uh that you pay pay for utility improvements 60 of the street work is paid for by all taxpayers and any other work that we need to do to get the streets up to par if we do any signal work or anything adjacent that's not assessed it's part of the regular tax taxes that everyone pays for special assessment payments there are a few payment options so everyone can anyone who wants to avoid any interest can prepay by november 15th of this year and they can pay online we have an online option or they can write a paper check and mail it in or drop it off if we don't receive a prepayment by that date then it will automatically go on to the property taxes starting in the next year there is a hardship deferral that people who think they might qualify it's income based they would have to apply by september 30th and they do that at the county or do they do that here here yep so they should contact the city and get an application that information is also on our website the hardship deferral information the repayment terms are based on the amount so for a lower assessment anything less than 200 there's just a year repayment for 200 to a thousand it's five years a thousand to two thousand is ten years and two thousand above is fifteen years and the interest rate this year is four and a half percent and there is a per state statute the right for anybody to object and they have to do that in writing before the end of the public hearing tonight they said that we've gotten three objections in writing and i'll talk about those as they come up but anyone else who wants to object can do so in writing and the council can continue the hearing if necessary to work out on those objections if the council approves the assessment all of the assessments the next course of action would be for the appealer to take it to district court so that's this is the first step if they want to appeal and the second would be to take it to district court so we have three construction techniques that we used this year we didn't have any water main replacement so we did not have any street reconstructions which would be full curb replacement full pavement replacement so we didn't have that this year so i'm going to start with our street reclamation we replaced all the pavement we do spot curb replacement we repair sidewalks for americans with disability act we repair and upgrade utilities as needed tree removals if they're needed and we look at the street to see if the street lights are due for an upgrade those project areas are river hills drive highway 13 frontage road the happy area hennin road forest glen and dakota place and those are mixed into multiple contracts those areas the street rehabilitation is replacing the top two inches of the pavement again spot curb replacement as needed repairing sidewalks as needed and repairing utilities as needed and those project areas this year are lark industrial boulevard parkwood drive travelers trail 141st street nicolette court 143rd street and the southwest burnsville area again in multiple contracts so these are the division of the contracts we call them the northeast area the west area and the southwest area and their projects number 101 102 and 103. i want to get into the details of northeast and when i'm completed this part then i'd like if the mayor could open the public hearing just for this northeast area which includes river hills lark industrial boulevard parkwood drive highway 13 frontage road travelers trail and the happy area you can see red and blue lines signal symbolizing that some was a rehabilitation and some were reclamation here's a before and after picture just a sample i didn't we didn't put all the pictures up but we have just a sample here showing 12th avenue uh b4 on the top and um after on the bottom and really a great looking pavement has from this year's project we've got a really good pavement product we did do bike lanes on travelers trail i think the council did get an email about the bike lanes i just wanted to bring up it was a really minimal cost to do the bike to to stripe and and put bike lanes the cost overall ten thousand dollars um for the whole stretch that's like a little over one percent of the whole travelers trail but not the whole contract that we just separated out travelers trail costs none of it was assessed we have a summer bulletin article that's already been published and we have a video that is just about to i think make it to youtube we haven't studied this section it's it's still too new but we did lac la von on the beginning of the summer and we did do some counts there and we found an average of 82 users per day so i'm pretty impressed with the number of users and we'll also study this section of the bike lane so here's our costs our numbers the total project cost is just under 4.7 million assessments make up 13 of that total cost and you can see in the pie graph the costs are paid for with the infrastructure trust fund 33 percent um we have some msa municipal state aid routes on this so we have we were able to use our msa account for about 32 percent um assessments are 13 percent we did sewer and water utility repairs and we did some storm water work and that make up the balance miss desroot could you please let people know what msa is so that they know that uh where those funds come from yeah so um msa are from the state the state collat collects um from your gas tax and then the tabs and vehicle sales tax and every city with over 5000 population gets a portion of that every year so we use that for our streets and some various other things you have to use them on routes that are designated as state aid routes yeah good so um on the right side we have the assessment rates these are the published rates um and so these were the three year average rates for the reclamation and rehab rehabilitation single single-family reclaim rates were 21.29 cents a foot rehab rates 1346 per foot multi-family reclaim rate 33.85 per foot rehab rate 1947 and then all the other land uses so that would be industrial commercial uses that are on wider streets they pay more reclamation 53 22 per foot and rehabilitation for fun those are the three-year average rates so they're not going to be a true 40 percent we have heard from some property owners some concerns on this section and i just wanted to highlight some of those so we know about the turf establishment restoration concerns particularly along travelers trail and what has occurred is we got done paving in the heat of the summer and that's not really ideal timing to be seeding so they're seeding now and they're working on it right now and this is actually the ideal time it's cooler temperatures we find spring and fall ideal the contract is not closed and if it doesn't take this fall it will will in the spring we'll keep it up so we have that concern and we're addressing it i think you all got an email about the bike lanes i kind of addressed that if you had questions please let me know we have two written objections on the two addresses noted my understanding is that they are on corner lots so we did a rehabilitation on river hills drive and each of these lots is a corner lot that is assessed per our policy they're assessed half of the long side with this project per our policy for assessments uh there is i think a concern that a backyard that faces or that it doesn't face but the back is not assessed that's also in the policy for rehabilitation that we would assess the side yard but not the rear line so we are following our policy and those are the two objections that we have received i believe at least one of those is here tonight so at this time uh john schmidlin our assistant c engineer are here for any questions you might have and then we'd ask that the open up the public hearing just for this northeast area and i will continue on with the presentation after okay very good are there any questions for our staff okay thank you i will now open the public hearing and i understand that i have mr miss mrs robin schroeder and this is uh 11909 river hills circle good evening uh i'm robin schroeder nice to meet you all i'm here today to discuss what i consider an inequity in the special assessment for the street reclamation and rehabilitation project in burnsville i also have another written one from another neighbor as you stated i live at 11909 river hill circle and have benefited from the improvement project as have all my neighbors the new road and sidewalks are markedly better than before and more importantly exponentially safer for us all i am not here to debate whether the improvements were needed or not they absolutely were and our whole community has benefited from them i'm also not naive to think that i shouldn't have to pay for my fair share of these improvements quite the contrary as i've dutifully paid for the city-mandated snow removal on the sidewalk along my residence i accept that as a property owner with sidewalk i'm obligated to pay for snow removal so that my friends and neighbors can use the sidewalk safely in the winter what i'm here to discuss is the burden of the cost of the road improvements being placed on the disproportionately small number small number of citizens that benefit from the project the special assessment quality policy states that as part of the financing for improvement projects special assessments may be used to share the costs with benefiting properties in my cul-de-sac for instance there are nine properties that equally benefit from the river hills drive rehabilitation but only two property owners are being assessed for it these two property owners myself included are required to pay over sixteen hundred dollars for the road project because we have land a buddy in the road the other families who own nothing for the project however cannot access their residences without the road that was rehabilitated the only way these families can get home is by using river hills drive and it is my firm belief that everyone in the cul-de-sac benefits equally from this project not just those with land or budding my cul-de-sac is not an exception either the only way to get residences on rolling oaks road is through river hills drive yet only those individual properties of budding the prop project are assessed the same is true for those on oak circle north south red court north and south somerset lane and bay point drive there are over 150 single-family residential homes on these streets that directly benefit from this project yet only six of them are required to pay for the special assessment under these circumstances i do not believe it is fair for such a small proportion of owners to have to pay for a project that equally benefits a great number i understand that there is a standard method and formula within the city's policy to standardize assessments so that as a policy states the cost can be applied consistently fairly and uniformly i do not believe in this case that the costs are being applied fairly as i mentioned before the city's policy on special assessments states that as part of the financing for improvement projects special assessments may be used to share the costs with benefiting properties additionally the city's policy states that public improvements benefit more than those properties that directly abut and benefit from the construction more simply put the policy states that special assessments can be shared by all benefiting properties and the benefiting properties aren't just those that are building the project furthermore the city's policy recognizes that the standard method for determining assessments is not the only way the policy states that in certain situations the city council may determine to use a methodology for apportioning assessments on a basis other than lineal footage such as a per lot assessment methodology when the council determines that use of the standard lineal footage methodology results it is substantial any inequities among similar types of properties of note there's already a precedent of deviation from the lineal foot methodology in this project as 450 feet of road between red oak circle north and rode a red oak circle south which belongs to our homeowners association was not included in the assessment this is a break from standard a city policy states that in situations where the land adjacent to the road being improved as common land owned by all property owners in the hoa all property owners in the hoa will be assessed an equal share of the total assessment have the standard method been used 102 residences would have shared in the special assessment yet they were excluded i believe this is tech book a textbook case of a substantial inequity as only a very small number of residential properties are being assessed as compared to the vast number of residents that benefit and i urge this council to determine a methodology other than the standard lineal foot methodology in closing i would like to request a revision of the assessment to include all single-family residential properties that require the use of river hills drive for access to their properties there is no doubt that all these properties have benefited substantially as their use of river hills drive is not optional but required to assess their access their properties this revision of the assessment would be a fair common sense approach to relieve the substantial inequity imposed on a very few property owners and is in line with the policies of the city and minnesota state statute 429 thank you for your time thank you very much um mr schroeder mr desrud could you please address the issue with regard to those streets that go in and when what happens when we have to rehabilitate or reclaim any of those streets who pays for it and do they have to pay if they're crossing over but because all of those streets that have access to river hills dry which is a thoroughfare so what happens to all of them when they get reclaimed or rehabilitated can you speak to that please yes mayor and council so the um all of those streets will eventually be in the program and they will all be either a rehab or a reclaim at some point in time i don't really know the schedule at this point but every single property that's adjacent in the in the future would be assessed at those rates for the project at the time the corner lots per the current policy are assessed the full frontage on the short side and half the frontage on the long side and so when we break a project up into two pieces like this if we don't turn the corner and do the cul-de-sac at this time that the corner lot for our policy today would break it into two assessments okay so one of the things is that those lots are those properties where the from river hills drive and where they have to access their streets when they get reclaimed or rehabilitated they will be assessed as will i because i live on that street and that's where my driveway is so what i was saying is that the river hills drive they can't get to their road in order to yeah so did you have a conversation with mrs schroeder i did i did not okay i think you did you speak with molly okay so our assessment technician did speak and and just explained our our assessment policy i believe and and the the reason why we assessed the short set or the half the long side part of the policies at this time okay yeah and i understand what you're talking about because we've heard the same concerns and in the past with those corner lots where they access another street i'm going to go to our uh public works director uh mr peterson yeah thanks man they're members of council the other we've gotten these concerns for many years and the response i've typically given as well is that the the difference between those who front the or have a side yard and those who will go back further into their cul-de-sac is that the aesthetics of the road are improved uh more has a more positive effect on the parcel that's adjacent to it than those that go back into it because the benefit is not necessarily based upon who drives upon the road you could argue if that's um should be the way but it is based upon how much it's going to raise your property value and that's why you you get the side yard in these situations because the improved road does have a positive benefit on on your property when you immediately butt it as opposed to those who go back in there's no arguing the fact everyone needs to drive in there but you do get that aesthetic benefit when it's immediately adjacent to your property so that's a part of 429 that is okay um the statute so that's the policy that we have today and every property in the city of burnsville residential or uh businesses will when we reclaim or rehabilitate or reconstruct a street and if they're the benefiting property on that side they will be assessed the same way but what happens when the road going in and it passes through her house will she be assessed then on the on the because right now you're assessing the front side and half of the of the of the side yard right so right now we're just assessing half of the long side and when we come in the cul-de-sac as the policies the second time around then she would be the property would be assessed for the short side for the short side at the at that time because it goes through and it's going to be reclaiming or rehabilitating or reconstructing that road and everybody on that road will be assessed yeah okay and that's how we get to all of that and and i understand it's been a concern folks like you who who are on a corner lot so thank you for coming in uh councilmember workman thank you um since we're switching to a per yeah it's next year right but so it's let's say that we were doing this cul-de-sac next year how does that switch to the per lot then play into the situation where you've got one assessment on our current policy and we're switching our policy okay so this is dead in the future this property would not be assessed they were getting their assessment this year that's what i was getting it okay does she know that well we're trying to separate the two policies that's right but um i don't believe she knows that no okay i think our staff can work with them on all of that but right now it's what we have before us to see right but if we're projecting forward that we're switching our policy she will then know that she won't be assessed for that okay thank you okay very good anything else um madam mayor for the clarification of the person who just came forward and everybody else would you repeat what just happened in that conversation that this person when the other road is paved so i'm going to have miss dejaru get to that because we had made that decision and to go to a per lot for next year but it doesn't apply to this year i'm i'm fully aware of that i'm not interested in that i'm interested in the statement that was just made about what happens when that other road yes so mrs schroeder if can you address that so mrs schroeder does know that yes so for uh future assessments corner lots will only be assessed one time and with this policy she's assessed their properties assessed this year because of the change going forward corner lots will only be assessed one time and she would not be assessed when the cul-de-sac is reclaimed or rehabbed right and if we maintain the current policy and weren't changing to a perlad when the other side was rehabbed or reconstructed she would then be looking at another assessment for that side but because we've changed the policy she's no longer going to see any more assessments when the other side of her property the road anyway a budding is rehabilitated correct thank you correct okay uh you're mrs ballandino yeah it doesn't help and i'm here um on the same concern as my neighbor robin yeah for red oak circle she had really good points about it and i just feel like uh the same way as her that the costa even after the explanation of the policy i don't think the costs are fairly distributed because i don't really use the cul-de-sac but the people on cul-de-sac use the road that i'm paying for so that way i think they should be counted into um the total cost of the of the cost that we have to pay for it okay okay thank you and you heard the conversation about what it is today yeah yeah and what happens next time and you're on a corner lot as well on red oak circle but i don't i don't i don't still think it's fair that they're not incorporated into the cost of that main road just because they use it all the time yeah okay as i mentioned before there it has been a concern for all of the corner lots and that's why we have we moved to a per lot uh and that will will activate next year because it takes time for us to get to that but it has been a concern so we did make the changes but it's i'm sorry that it doesn't affect you this year but when those ro those streets that go through you um next time they get reclaimed or rehabilitated or reconstructed they will all be assessed but i don't use those streets i only use this street and they do use this street yes and and the other streets so they should be paying for that street and my street yeah and that's true and that's why 60 of the people throughout all of burnsville pay for that and the budding properties the benefiting properties are assessed to 40 but all of us pay for the other portion of it well they should be paying because they use that a lot and there's a lot of other see other cities people that live in other cities come and use the park yeah because you're exactly racquetball all the time it's heavily used so i don't think that's the fair decision that's all okay thank you for coming in okay i think those are the two for um 2101 and 2102 projects is there anyone else i haven't done 2102 yet just 2101 at this time just 2101. you're right is there anyone else who wants to speak to street improvement contract 2101 river hills happy reclamation parkwood rehab uh travelers trail highway 13 frontage road lark rehabilitation and river hills rehabilitation seeing no one i will close the public hearing members of the council your pleasure move to approve council member uh gustafson makes a motion to approve uh the assessments for 2020 street improvement contract 20 101. every second second council member we're going to make seconds the motion all in favor please say aye aye aye opposed nay and the motion carries thank you miss desroud our city engineer street improvement contract 20 102. thank you marion council so moving on to that next area those areas in the west area we've called it our dakota place hennen road forest glen 141st street nicolette court and 143rd circle here is a before and after just a snapshot of one of those areas on forest glen again pavement is looking really good in the in the lower picture and our financial part this area this contract was about 2.3 million assessments are 21 of the total project cost uh it doesn't mean that assessments were any more it was just a made up more of the cost we did not have municipal state aid funds for this contract so um infrastructure trust fund made up 56 assessments 21 and then sewer water and storm the balance at the same rates as before for the reclamation and rehabilitation same for this contract area we heard a few property owner concerns in this area as well the turf restoration and establishment is the same situation we finished paving in the heat of the summer our contractor is out hydro seating last week and we'll continue to monitor the progress there we also i believe all the council members heard from one of our people who are on the project concerned with heavy equipment after paving and one of their suggestions was to not allow any heavy equipment for two weeks and so what we're going to do is put into some of our documents that we send out that we recommend that property owners hold off two weeks to to get heavy equipment or do their public or their driveway improvements um we'll just make that recommendation that if they wait two weeks they can help keep that pavement so it continues to cure right not us we did not as as of the time of this meeting haven't received any written objections i don't know if anyone is here to speak to this one okay i don't have anyone on the list but is there anyone who wishes to speak to street improvement contract oops members of the council do you have any questions for staff okay i now open a public hearing for 2020 street improvement contract 2102. is there anyone who wishes to speak to this item anyone who wishes to speak to this item seeing no one i will close the public hearing and i think uh miss desrud the changes that you will make to the letters that goes out i think that would help mr mingle because he didn't have an objection he's just concerned that we put down new pavement and all of that and then people in the neighborhood have heavy equipment coming through because of their contract work and so right now i think that's going to make him happy because he's happy to pay it's just that if it's if you're paying for it you want it to make sure that it's cured properly before you have heavy equipment on it okay very good um may i have a motion please to approve street improvement contract 2102 move to approve councilmember keeley makes the motion second second by council member gustafsson all in favor please say aye aye opposed saying a and a motion carries thank you miss des roode so the last area in our street improvement uh areas are the southwest burnsville area uh 2103 and that includes 152nd street west circle high drive amira court marcian lane brown lane north loop road north and loop road south so the southwest burnsville area has a pretty big history those roads that are constructed out there many of them were gravel and just paved over the top none of them in this area are a standard city street and that's because the residents didn't want that the residents by by and large had wanted a rural feel and they have requested minimal upgrades to a an urban design so we've kept with what they've asked for and um with this project these streets were paved in the in the 90s they've held up for 20 plus years and now it's time to get them rehabilitated so we've included them in the program i'm going to turn it over to john to talk a little bit more about the logistics of the paving all right thank you madam madame of the council this project we're calling it a rehabilitation but it's kind of a project that we were trying to balance the needs and wants of the residents some wanted the road redone completely some didn't want us to touch it we're trying to fit it into our budget and get it into the program and we normally weren't planning to include it so that's kind of the backdrop of how we decided how to improve this road and during the design process we kind of proposed basically like a beefed up rehab where we did a lot more pavement replacement before the overlay was placed a typical rehab would only have maybe five percent or as much and maybe a max 10 percent pavement replacement before we do an overlay or milling overlay this one we had presented it from the beginning as we're looking at doing a lot more than that 33 percent a full third when bids came in we uh looked at the budget and what we could afford with um we got some good pricing and we have some contingency with every project so um i actually did a lot of the pavement removal marking myself because there were i will say this a lot of those roads were in pretty poor condition so we replaced in the end 45 of the road surface ripped it out and replaced it before we put the overlay these pictures on this slide the top one especially would show both show the bottom one's hard to see but really where we did do full pavement replacement was where the road was alligatored and opening up or even possibly even kind of almost like exploding and coming right off the road so we did those ones like the one shown we did do full width full depth replacement but there were a lot of areas where we left pavement that was broken up but still pretty tight and with that we also placed a two-inch overlay which is a little thicker than well it's what we do for a normal rehab but it's it's a good thickness to get you know a 15 to 20-year pavement life so we're still expecting to get 20 years out of these roads before we you know grind them up and repave them in the future or do whatever the next step is also uh in addition with the policy change we got these into our maintenance schedule so they will get track sealed and co-coded just like any other road in burnsville which was not as much in the plan with the original southwest burnsville streets there was a lot of just pave this and stay off of it and so we are going to also do the maintenance that we would do for any other road so i just wanted to point that out because it was kind of a balance because these roads were in poor condition but they weren't nearly as bad as a lot of the other southwest burnsville streets that we are just plain going to have to grind up and repave and so we we adhere to our agreement with the residents of southwest burnsville and until they come to us and say they want the road to be rehabilitated or or overlaid then we can have that discussion and yes mr peterson just to say you know basically they have come to us knowing the reason we are doing this project is because more of the people are now wanting some of the same services that others did have so yeah i was getting to the work session that we had exactly we had we had two work sessions on this particular item and uh and this is what they agreed to to the best of everybody's ability to fit yes some people don't want to do anything and others want and we also agreed that they would be coming when we get the bids and they were happy that the bids were below what we had estimated am i correct in recalling that yes that is correct okay and so with that we did not have any objections when we accepted the bids correct okay so um this is a before and after again a snapshot of loop road north at the top being the previous and then the bottom being a really nice pavement section um and then to the mayor's point you did have a lot of work with the the southwest burnsville this is a history of that policy update started before 2017 so i've been working with this for more than three years and and before that even the work sessions that you talked about there's numerous ones in in 2017 open house with the residents in june of 2017 another open house in october of 2018. we had uh the council adopted policy updates we continued it because there was more work to be done and then councilwork session discussion people came in and talked there the final council adapted policy was on february 19 2019 and that led to the per unit policy that we have done in the southwest burnsville area and here's the cost breakdown here total project cost was 912 thousand dollars about assessments 34 percent although in the southwest principle policy we applied the actual costs um but we did some utility work so those were pulled out of the assessment and that's why the assessments are 34 of the total because utilities were not included as the project cost for that purpose there's one percent that i see in here because most of them have private utilities right so there is a little stretch of everything to do that yep um and then some storm work that most are not do not have storm sewer but there is some culverts that needed to have work done um so based on the policy that was adopted the per unit assessment is 4184 dollars there is a deferral sliver there as well for properties that are subdividable by the code by the current code they would not have to be assessed until they subdivide and that could any time within the next 15 years and if they subdivide in year 16 well then there's no assessment to be paid then so property owner concerns there was initially concerns with the costs uh our engineer engineers estimate as the mayor had uh noted was much higher we got the bids we sent out another notice with what the actual estimated cost would be this cost is a slightly less than that even so we we kind of put in a little contingency when we sent out that notice and when we awarded the contract and then based on the actual costs it came down slightly from there there is a person here tonight who has uh got a written objection and his concern is to my understanding about the type of construction and to speak to that we kind of led up to that is we could have done a full street reconstruction it would have cost a lot more for everybody in working with the residents over these past years we got the sense that the majority did not want that and so we were going with what the majority of the residents wanted and wanted to pay and then past and future maintenance these areas have been included in maintenance areas they've had sealcoats they will as john pointed out be put into the routine preventative maintenance schedule with sealcoats and crack seals going forward we'll try and prolong that street as long as we can but it is not a steady standard street per per request from the neighborhood so the person with the written objection he is here and would like to speak and then we have the public hearing for the southwest area any questions from mr councilmember keeley uh thank you mr uh schmeling mister can you speak to the extension of the life of the road now that we will be maintaining it to preserve it how many additional years will the road and the residents benefit from now that we're seal coding and giving it some regular maintenance that's a little bit of a hard question to answer to totally concretely but i mean we'll do approximate i mean i'm thinking i don't know five years five ten years what do you think mr peterson my feeling is is the original pavement was done we basically built it right over gravel we just paved right over the gravel road got broke up after 20 years but we're going to have more this with the repairs that we did we should definitely be able to get into that 20-year time period again and then we will be doing the seal coating so i'm hoping to get 20 years i'm not saying after 20 years it's gonna look great but it's been as as was stated it's been requested that the area has this um rural feel to it so you know we we didn't put all the curbs and all that kind of stuff so right um does that make sense yeah how long ago did this road under our normal standards meet the criteria to get rehabilitated as opposed to waiting until he got onto this program now um that basically we were on the old policy before which was we don't do anything until we're petitioned by the the neighborhood so the the residents um have had a little bit of change of heart and wanted to be included into the city's program but not all the way to the point that we're going to provide a city standard street so we kind of did a hybrid of the the 60 40 that we'll will kick in the 60 of it um you know that was just in the last three years so before they weren't on the plan at all but granted they've been paying property taxes like everybody else so they should get some benefits so i i think we've done a really good job of getting the process through and then finding a solution where the city can assist we can meet middle ground on not putting in a road that would have cost twice as much but still having a pavement out there that's maintainable by us is safe for people who want to walk and bike and drive um [Music] does that answer the question yeah what year did this road get put in did you say oh my gosh i believe the well the original i don't know about no the this pavement that we were the before picture 1997 i believe yeah so 23 years and if we would have been maintaining that street all along would we have gotten the same 23 years out of it in my opinion it would have looked quite similar at this time compared to if we'd have seal coated it once or twice the seal coat helps the surface out but it's not going to stop those referred to as alligator attacking right so we're committed to doing at least one seal coat on this um these streets after we're done that's often what we do is we seal coat at least once to get it to when you might resurface it again once you start seal coating and crack sealing roads that get to that point you're just it's beyond right you're just wasting money thank you okay um is there are there any other questions for staff this is a public hearing i will now open a public hearing for 2020 street improvement contract 20-103 southwest burnsville rehabilitation mr dale ronning is here to speak good evening mr ronnie good evening first of all uh honorable mayor and city council i appreciate you giving me the time to come up and speak my piece reread all your letters and all of your communication i appreciate you taking the time to look through that because i try to give as much information as i can you and mr schmidling have had a lot of correspondence yes yes and i'm i've been concerned for you know many years about how it was started because i moved in two weeks before they paved it the first time so in 1997 99 98 i think but yeah okay so and so you were there at the time when the agreements were made well i wasn't part of the agreements though so everybody had a voice uh we had a public hearing we had meetings but the people that sold me the house were at the public hearings okay i wasn't okay i didn't even know it was coming until we moved in and uh okay that was that was the issue um had i known i probably got involved a little bit more as far as why uh paving on just the gravel that's there and not making sure that it's a uniform subgrade and you know there was fence posts and things in the way it just paved over so um so yeah it has it has held together okay um but i think the lack of maintenance um over those 20 years created more uh more of a patching issue and yeah it should have basically been entirely just redone you know but i know people voted for it the other one but that's because excuse me that's because it's cheaper so if they're you know if if they were more edgy it was gravel before right we know yep i know that and it was great when they paved it but um anyway um my whole point is the lack of pass maintenance made this project more expensive for us and i don't believe that they did the amount of patching that should have been done um there was just a lot of areas and i mean they did they patched twice they came out in patch and they came back out and marked more because i think they're looking at budget and i i felt like uh skip the budget part and do it right that's the way i felt i felt like the cracks that were left are gonna reflect back through in five years some of the stuff was pretty bad that they just paved over because as far as i know they're already over budget on on patching and i know that's a very expensive item so it bumps up all the costs so my thought was uh if if you're only going to do a partial job on the project then we should only have to pay part of the assessment because i feel like 4 200 is a lot to pay for what we got um that's just yeah it's my opinion i mean i appreciate you guys uh looking through my information and that's about all i had to say i guess so thank you for that i thank you for coming in and speaking but i hope because i know in reading your correspondence you were present at some of the work sessions that we had but you chose not to speak when everybody was here that's when you should be speaking because your neighbors you all are working together and the decision was made uh at those hearings so i wish and so this is lessons learned speak up i know i know i realize that but um if i go up there and i say you guys got to do this right we want the most expensive part what do you think my neighbors are going to think of me you know i mean i guess i get it mr ronnie but you know unless we talk all of this stuff out and work together southwest burnsville is very different and it's unique to our community right and we listen it's the it's our rural area and so our residents in southwest burnsville like to keep it rural you all have private um you know utilities you have your so everybody has their own well their septic tanks and all of that and only the neighborhood to the east of you in southwest burnsville when you come in on 155th that's the only one that has one acre lots but they have private utilities they they they're they chose to to have city utilities pulled in but the rest of all of you said no well wasn't that done with the development though it was but they but that group said that's what they want all of you to the west said no well i wasn't there i get it you weren't there at the time to make that decision but i would recommend that when we have these conversations with all of you from down in southwest burnsville speak up i know in your correspondence you said you were there but you chose not to speak i wish you had you might have swayed some of your your neighbors who knows yeah i don't know i don't know but i guess i feel if i email um employees like the engineers or whatever that that is basically speaking okay um instead of speaking up in a meeting but you know because i'm not a public speaker and here in burnsville i don't know how they do it in egan but in burnsville we know about what what your your concerns are it's it's all public information and i get what you're saying okay yeah yeah i do i just you know i don't think when like they're saying they get 20 years out of it i think they'll be out patching before then but yeah who knows yeah anyway yeah i've said my piece so thank you very much but thank you for coming in and talking with us and thank you for all of your correspondence because you and mr schmaeling are pretty good pals now yeah we do uh we do have a few emails back and forth yeah ryan's been involved too and yeah yeah ryan but i appreciate you guys i appreciate them you know thank you for being straight with me and everything too so yeah mr peterson mr schmidty yeah yes so all right well that's all i had thank you thank you thank you so much is there anyone else who wished to speak to this item southwest burnsville anyone else i will close the public hearing members of the council your pleasure just one council member keeley we all have driven walk et cetera southwest burnsville in it and it definitely keeps a more rural feel when there's no curbs when the road just sort of disappears into the grass and weeds along the side of the road and the larger lots and and there's tons of foliage and trees i mean it's it's a great area of burnsville that one section you referred to with the curb and gutters does change it i mean it really does feel more like a piece of the rest of burnsville suburbs as opposed to southwest except they have one and they have one acre lots yes bigger lots very beautiful houses back here but uh i mean i that that road looked like it was becoming a cobblestone road because the um alligator cracking was was throughout the entire road in most sections and uh so i i think it was long over that was really in bad shape so but i like the fact that we you know just paved it to the edges uh left out the curve i think it's going to preserve the southwest burnsville field and give them a lot smoother roads to drive on for the last next 20 years so with that i'll move to approve councilmember keeley makes the motion is there a second second second by councilmember gustafsson all in favor please say aye aye aye opposing a and the motion carries thank you we now move on to 5b and it's also a public hearing and this is the resolution adopting the 2020 streetscape operations and maintenance assessment rude thank you marian council so this is an annual item for streetscape and heart of the city the assessments include upkeep of the colored sidewalks and trails street lighting banners and snowflakes hanging baskets boulevard and median mowing and irrigation the assessments are calculated there's in the actual operation and maintenance costs determine a rate and then 50 percent of those costs are assessed to adjacent property owners in the city taxpayers pay the balance it's based on a front footage and multiple owner parcels share equally so they have their front footage and then if there's multiple owners they divvy that up between the owners there's two phases um phase one has uh got a higher end maintenance eleven dollars and six cents per foot phase two 6.17 per foot and then the total assessment is 162 152. so this is a public hearing i had not gotten any written objections prior to the hearing okay any questions for staff saying none councilmember keeley i'm going to bring up a bigger broader concern about these special assessments um i don't per se have a problem with the one i pay and and our neighbors don't either and in a year like covid where there was uh dramatic changes in our uh our maintenance and and things took a little while longer i think that's just a one-off year and and we don't judge the whole thing by that my concern was brought up by some commercial property owners in the heart of the city who have been around since the beginning of the heart of the city assessments and today and this goes back to previous to covet coming out when i had a conversation with city manager lee about this that they're looking at their property tax bills and seeing the size of what this special assessment has become as a percentage to their entire tax bill and i was i've never looked or talked to anyone about it so i was in the dark as to what it really was and the examples that i walked through with these property owners was a bit eye-opening for me and astounding i mean it's a it's a significant piece of their overall property tax bill and i can understand why why they are stepping back going what am i getting today for this large dollar amount that i'm paying and it's really maintenance to what we had built so one person equated the the bill saying well i understand when you had to build it out but why is the maintenance so expensive and it keeps going up year after year after year to maintain something rather than the cost to put it in i said well it's capitalization they understood that but overall it's just gotten extraordinarily expensive and i think we as a council have to take a look at this specific assessment and look at some example property tax bills for these commercial buildings and put ourselves in their shoes and ask and ask the question are we delivering that level of value for the size of these enormous tax bills for this special assessment and at this point because this conversation really got waylaid like many things over the last six months it's really too late to step in and talk about this for 2021 but i would like to have this conversation at a future work session could be the all day but i want to do it early enough that we can affect change because i think we have a problem that we've created a problem with these astronomical special property tax bills or special assessment bills and i want to make sure that we invite these property owners in and the representatives and we get to hear and see um all of what goes in um we need to we need to show what we're doing for the money and we need to be able to justify it ourselves if we're going to continue to tax the special assessment at the level that they currently are at and i think you make a good point and i think uh that discussion can begin at the all-day work session but we can begin to make do some work um miss mascara with our property owners and understand you know is there a better solution that they could they they can be part of the solution for all of this so we can do that and then we can but thank you for bringing it forward councilmember schultz uh yeah i would just like to echo that i would like to dissect this a little more that would be extremely helpful and it would be very helpful hearing from these business owners and using their actual tax sheet as a walk through on what they pay and then what the percentage of that is and yeah you know just understanding everything that does go into what we do in this area how we maintain it and that type of thing and it may come down to just an equal charge to everybody i don't know for our residents if we adopt this tonight i already gave our city clerk my assessment payment like i do every year happy to do it but um so we opened the public hearing closing the public hearing and there's uh then there was a um a motion a comment an account and a second and a comment and so and staff has all of that i don't think we got through the motion part at all i just made a comment before we got okay that you're right i have i thought you were coming to us for some comments before we take the vote well you can always have a you can always take them take the motion and then you can have the discussion and then you can move forward with it's up or down thank you i will not make this motion though okay i'll make i will make the motion okay vince can make the motion too if you like councilmember workman makes the motion i will make the motion that we approve this tonight and then bring this back at a future meeting to examine closer per councilmember keeley's request and we can and we can also start that discussion with our business owners in the area and your second customer i would like to say i agree uh we need to include our business so there's a lot of new business owners in the heart of the city today they need to kind of understand what's going on and go from there and i think uh we should all have that discussion and that's how we do things in burnsville everybody comes to the table okay there's a motion in a second and we have some comments and some directions to staff all in favor please say aye aye opposed a and the motion carries thank you the next item is also a public hearing and this is the resolution to adopt the assessments for 121 street and pleasant avenue improvements ms desjard this is a leftover uh well so we did this work mostly last year but finished paving in the spring of this year this is the area um 121st and pleasant work included a reclamation in on on 121st and reconstruction there's a lot of soil corrections work and i have a great picture later and then we did improve the trail that was already there reconstructing the trail here's the before and after you can see i took the before picture in the winter and there's just a bunch of ice sitting in the curb and we probably won't have that ice this winter i'm thinking it will drain really nicely so a much much improved in this area this is pleasant avenue we had a lot of funding sources on this one we had infrastructure trust fund assessments making up about half of it we had sewer and water storm we got a grant from dakota county there was some well closures that were part of this project and then we used our 2019 uh deed host grant for this project a portion of it for this project we also did the burnsville center village traffic study and a city wide sanitary sewer model with those funds so this was just a portion of those funds this year and the uh total cost was about 609 thousand dollars assessments were 28 we used the rates from 2019 since the work was done in 2019 again a public hearing no written objections had been received as of yet as of this time okay any questions vista this is a public hearing is there anyone who wishes to speak to this item anyone who wishes to speak to this item seeing no one i will close the public hearing members of the council your pleasure councilmember workman makes promotion second by council member excitement all in favor please say aye aye opposed nay and motion carries thank you i do have one question okay talk to my schultz uh if i may ask how wide is that trail ten feet thank you okay uh the next item is 5d this is also a public hearing and this is the resolution adopting the 2020 miscellaneous assessment mr this is my last one um so it is your show so um we do have just a variety of assessments that we kind of lump together we have unpaid false alarms those total 540 dollars if anyone wanted a driveway upgrade a dryway apron upgrade we have zero dollars this year and then we have just uh public improvement types of things uh park dedication people can uh we've offered to put that as a special assessment that's the type of things that are happening here this year we have um we are assessing uh met council sanitary sewer sac fees so we're helping to spread out the costs for that so those are our miscellaneous items this year most people are aware that they have these or in the case of the sanitary sewer they had requested that it be assessed okay any questions for staff okay this is a public hearing is there anyone who wishes to speak to this item anyone who wishes to speak to this item seeing no one i will close the public hearing members of the council your pleasure move to approve there's a motion council remember gustafson makes a motion second by councilmember keeley all in favor please say aye aye aye opposed nay and the motion carries you are done miss desrud thank you very much and thank you and the next item is the discussion and the sketch plan for 14020 county road 5 for workforce housing and our assistant community development director ms regina dean is presenting this evening miss dean good evening good evening mayor members of the council uh the developer uh with interest in this property is um available um if i can just have him enter the council chambers that one of the chairs up there yes please have a seat and welcome thank you so alex with real estate equities is here he does have a prepared presentation if the council wishes to hear that as well after i'm done with my presentation um so typically you would hear sketch plans at your work session but graciously um it's been allowed to have this before you tonight so the site some people refer to it as the wolf pack property it's a vacant church located at county road 5 and mcandrews kind of where that comes to a t to the north is friendship lane the property has been vacant gosh at least since i think i've been working at burnsville five years probably much longer than that it was used as a church the site is zoned currently r1 and guided low density residential i should note that this property is in the process of being re-guided to mixed use it is on the cusp of center village so because in the presentation slide you see mixed uses underway you have gone through the process to change to mixed use from a council level standpoint we do have to bring this forward to the metropolitan council but we can't do that until we're done with some environmental work for the overall center village area that's in the works so the specific developer proposal they are requesting a tif housing district for the site and to my knowledge there has not been a specific tif housing district within the city of burnsville specific concept that you'll see in your packet is for 175 units and the potential unit breakdown is 48 one bedrooms that includes studios 86 two-bedroom units and 41 three-bedroom units three-bedroom units are somewhat unique you don't see a lot of new product with three-bedroom units the proposal could include a four-story apartment building in the past previous councils have seen concepts for i would say higher density type housing senior housing i think the last proposal that was brought forward which was ultimately withdrawn was for presbyterian homes for about 160 senior units on that site so it's not unusual for this site to see some sort of higher density type housing the proposal would include underground parking surface parking to meet code as well as provide a number of community amenities so a gym for residents some outdoor common space higher level finishes that you may see in even some of our market rate apartments that you see now rents would range from 900 to thousand five hundred and eleven dollars and this would be um one hundred percent workforce affordable housing with area area median income levels at fifty to sixty percent of burnsville's median income and then we have the conceptual site plan of u-shaped building again this is all in concept right now and then some interior and exterior concepts that were pulled from the developers presentation just to give you a feel for what this could look like should they pursue the site i do want to point out just from a city standpoint that we from the metropolitan council we do have an affordable housing need um and that is 266 units and that's from present to 2030 the this could occur with or without assistance from the city it's something that you know we could get there it's just how how do you get there i do want to note that this number can change it can potentially increase things that would increase this number could include additional housing in your comprehensive plan so when you're looking at changing properties from business or industrial to mixed use that gives potential to allow additional housing just housing number of units and that could kick up the number for the meter the need based off of that council's projections to increase that number from 266 to higher that number's unknown at this point and then there's a lot of information on this slide but there was a recent study done through the county through max field and it demonstrates the housing needs and rental demand based off of the different cities in dakota county and these numbers are actually in most cases higher than what the met council allocation is so there's more demand than there is i guess sort of required by the met council just of note go back to that slide miss dean it's interesting to me when i look at these uh housing demand reports and you go down to lakeville and eagan where there's a lot more land than we have and we're almost built out and so lakeville when you look at the market rate is 145 to 245 and the affordable is 205 to 225. is this what they have presently and they have subsidized at 155 175 and you look at ours this is what they have so that's the demand so what um there's a need out there and what if a developer were to come and build housing they could foreseeably see that those units would be filled affordable and now subsidized in terms of demand why is that not the same in lakeville or an eagan i had the same question is that this isn't yeah previously the mech council has been giving cities guidance on what they want them to put in based on what they believe they should have as a makeup of their community this is a different look this is saying based on what i'd love to know is the met council saying this is what the demand in your community is or is it just rewording the same presentation because i was on the um on the met council when they had these and i would always argue and miss faulkner can also speak to this when they always talk to us about the demand for affordable housing and they don't take into consideration we're an older community a lot of our single family units are in the affordable rate range so the specific slide that you see in front of you this is not from the metropolitan council this is from the dakota county dakota cda and it's a separate totally separate outlook to what they foresee the different cities in dakota county to to have based off of demand within the met council report they have identified um between 2021 and 2030 in need of 266 affordable units that's what i heard within that 266 help perhaps regina is getting to add okay i'll let her finish her presentation excuse me yeah i'm going to go to councilman bikini oh you too yeah yeah i just just to clarify we have two different sources of data and that's what i think i got thrown a curveball i missed that and i apologize it was my fault so the med council is saying between now and 2030 we should make available build whatever 266 more units of affordable housing the dakota county cda is saying based on our forecast of market trends employment need we think you need you should have another 400 yeah affordable greater than the met council and and then i'm wondering why is that when we're already we don't have much land for any of this lakeville is still developing yeah and so is eagan so apparently they don't forecast the same level of need in one community that has an enormous amount of undeveloped land versus a community that's mature we're about 98 99 percent maybe it's something that's something minnesota rci based the number of employers that we have and jobs it has a lot of employers well i'm comparing to lakeville sorry yes eagan does have a big ci so you would think they would have a large quote demand number as well yeah councilmember schultz so according to met council have they perfect land for these additional units i think they're looking at a it's like 15 20 years out because in our comp plan we have units for the minnesota river quadrant so the number it it's not designated for a specific area but when you look at your comprehensive plan and you look at some of your guiding documents and policies where could these potentially go likely near transit likely in you know near the bus rapid transit stations um where you know if someone does have an affordability issue and they can't afford a car that they can take public transit and live near near there so maybe during around center village and heart of the city would be um the two areas where we could see you know this additional affordable housing happen now how do you get there that's you know a policy decision for council do you want to help subsidize that through whether it's tif housing through lcda grants through you know the elf grant that we have available or other other ways or do you want it to occur naturally where um you know you know one of the things that development very helpful for everybody to remember how our tif policy is it has to have jobs this has no jobs it's going to use a lot of services and our tif policy talks about jobs and it also about the growth in the tax base and that's why we have that we've never had uh in the city of burnsville um have to pump this crime because there are people out there who can do this without tiff and as you pointed out there are grants we can go to the livable communities grant some of those things i remember when we did chancellor manner again and there were non-profits and there's tax credits and there are all different tools that are available to do this you just need to know how to do the financing for affordable housing and there's a lot more tools than to use tax increment financing so you know um yeah we should have workforce housing but there are other tools council member workman thank you just want to clarify so we're using the 266 met council recommendation as part of this report but then leaning on the dakota county recommendation which is significantly higher than the 266 and then when we were discussing earlier about neighboring communities that council is putting lakeville at 1400 units eagan at 472 farmington 441 rosemont 783 so every city around us is double or more as far as need goes um according to met council so you know i think as a council we need to decide which data we're using we want to rely on um and i you know i don't know if one's better than the other but um i just wanted to validate and expand on that conversation with the data that i have from the met council yeah and and i think that's the other thing which data are we using so i'll go to councilmember schultz i think my question was are there specific parcels which are available now for development is what i'm asking that we're marketing specifically for affordable housing for housing that could be for affordable housing do we have specific parcels because you're saying an area which i understand like i get having affordable housing near transit areas makes sense but my question is what would what would those parcels be i'm at a loss on what so that's a property owner's right to to market their property however they want it to be marketed we don't have any zoning or or ordinance that says this is for affordable housing we have zoning that says here's multi-housing right and then it's up to the person who owns the property to put that amount as to what that property is worth to them you i guess i'm looking for a bare piece of dirt so that's what i'm looking for we got a better piece of dirt that is near transit pardon me it's private property that's right it's private property i think i think what we're trying to get at here is you know it's one of our policies on apartments we can't discriminate between affordable or upscale apartments we cannot we have that's a violation of fair housing laws it's a matter of what is our policy and if it's not we're not going to do it for one we can't do it for someone else coming down the road i mean we're gonna that's our policy that's what it's gonna be and that's what we really need to think about i do want to i do want a little clarification though when i first heard about this and i heard it was workforce housing i always put workforce housing with the program the cda has where there's there's a lot of help for the people that live there and you know certain criteria they have to have to live in the house as far as jobs who can live there you know we've heard a lot from the county about 23 of these people actually go on to home ownership from that that got me excited i'm not sure about this but again it's uh i should probably even stay away from that because it's it's it's a really fair housing it's a policy it's just a pilot are we willing to do this to have this built and that's really what we have to discuss and i don't care what the mech council wants or this and that it's what the developer and the landowner want to do councilmember keeley i'm just wondering if miss dean knew what sort of trap she was gonna walk into with this presentation tonight with opening up this can of worms because this is an issue obviously that we're we have we have some angst against uh outside agencies telling us what kind of housing we need and not recognizing that we are a city south of the river that has plenty of affordable rental and and uh and home ownership we don't necessarily have new product that is affordable or workforce and that's where this is an appealing project because it'll bring new development you know new modern amenities new modern kitchen new modern everything right we do have a lot that becomes affordable because it's relatively dated product and and we have many owners that are putting money in and updating it but they're also raising the rents so um i just wanted to say i mean the the project itself i like because that type of new product workfort housing work for how force housing so hard to talk with this thing stuck to your lips um but um but i'm i'm not in favor of of the the housing tiff to make it happen i just i you know i get there's there's maybe other ways through the county and that kind of stuff but i don't see this triggering a housing tif district to support getting it uh getting it done although i like the prison i like the product and i like the price ranges uh for a new product i don't see the city playing a role in supporting um this type of subsidized housing it seems like we're just trying to do what the county does council member workman did you want to respond may i ask um as you're having this conversation um we have had a number of inquiries um about just affordable housing in general and workforce housing and and so being before you tonight really helps staff because we're able to take your temperature and relay that information we're having these conversations this is where the council sits and so having a reaction on not only housing tiff but redevelopment tiff and and if someone is using that to make a project affordable for future residents and then also using grants um towards helping fill that gap and bringing down that cost for a developer you know i'd love to hear your reaction to see if if it's just a flat out no or if and you know using some tools are are okay and and some tools aren't or not can i speak to that matter uh yes and then i'll come back to councilman well councilman gustafsson had had pushed before you i was before i yield to my younger dad so i did you you cleared me before i even got to say anything okay then i'm going to council member workmen first um dang it do you want me to no or one of us it'll come back so the discussion here isn't whether we are pro or against affordable housing it's whether we want to support tiff for it um and to miss dean's point it seems like we're all on the same page that we're not in favor of using tiff for new but you bring up an interesting point about redevelopment that i hadn't thought about but i also don't have a magic 8 ball to know what's coming down the pipe so i could sit here and say i don't support tiff for redevelopment housing right now but if the project made sense in the right place i you know that could certainly change um that's speaking for me and me alone but as far as new um in in this specific instance i i'm not comfortable using tiff here okay councilmember gustafson um i agree with the tiff uh part of it um i'm not really that opposed to l for rig funds to help this thing go away uh if the there's some other grants that are available through founding that the cdn i'm not opposed to that i think we all know we do need some new affordable product in our city we are growing we're attracting new business as a city and people are going to need housing out here and we see that and we i mean we just know with the orange line coming out here there's going to be a lot of changes over the next few years and we're and once we get to center village we develop 10 15 20 years from now we're going to need housing for everybody and so well it's going to be an important part of who we are as we grow as a city and if we get to authorization that's a different story that's a different story that's a whole different story and let's hope that we do get we prevail next year so but i'm open to other programs to maybe see this there's a lot there's fannie mae there's tax credits there's a whole lot of stuff um councilmember keeley thank you madam mayor uh just um expanding on that you know what tools are we open to i i don't want to pick the project but um the project the uh the land entering burnsville on the northeast side um if someone were to bring this project forward on that piece of land it's quite possible it might be a little bit more open discussion on on on finding a way to do it because it is a it is a blighted intersection this is just an empty church with a lot of trees and land and it's not really blighted i would say it's just and i ideally would like to see it um you know redeveloped but there isn't the same level of motivation that if it were on that other property on the northeast corner of burnsville but i do believe for that project and maybe for this one that dakota county elf is is a good tool there is a limited amount of funds it's only going to go so far so it's not um an ongoing thing or the rig funds i i just don't maybe it's i'm influenced by we haven't had this discussion about housing tiff so it's a new thing we've never used it in the city there must be some reason for that it's a pump we've never had to prime yeah people come in and they know how to do it you look at somebody like george sherman who does this he's a developer who who does affordable housing he knows how to do it he knows where the sources are and i wonder it's been a while since he's built product here um how this maybe we should hear from this developer to at least give a chance to get the microphone how it you know how it is being done today if it wasn't tiff uh as the mechanism to make it work right what other tools are other people using that common bond is doing a whole lot of stuff and they know how to do all of this they're a non-profit developer that does you know so there are people who really know and know how to do the financing for this kind of product i have um helping my daughter search for apartment i have found a lot of new product built around us savage apple valley lakeville etc projects like this in this rental range you know brand new products so i know it's being done and we don't necessarily have that right we have the we older affordable and we have now thank goodness some new uh high amenity higher end but we don't have new affordable or new workforce so that's why this product in this project was very very appealing to me for the city of burnsville just not using that tool anyway i've already made my statement okay councilmember gustafsson i just wanted to speak to what we used to do we are built out and we're in a redevelopment phase and i think we all came to the conclusion a long time ago it cost a lot more to redevelop than it does to take raw land and put something on it so there are some areas where maybe we can be of assistance and some getting some of that done but i don't think but i don't think tiff is the way to go no lca livable communities act most of the time i don't think tiff's the way to go but no but i think there's a whole lot of things that we can help and there are people who can help find the resources okay um sir you wanted to speak to us the microphone is right there did you want your did you want to hear from have his presentation that it's necessary unless you want to hear it hi i'm alex bazans i'm a partner with real estate equities thank you for having me here i appreciate it um just to comment on some of the comments you all had you know we're one of the larger affordable housing developers in the twin cities so we're very familiar with the financial structures that are put into these projects because we do them all the time frankly projects that are financed with taxes and bonds and four percent loan componency tax credits are almost always using housing tif districts across the board throughout the twin cities so um you know we're doing a number of projects today throughout the twin cities that are being financed using those structures there are certain counties that do have other funding resources available to fill gaps because these projects typically have gaps as well you know dakota county cda does have some funding ramsey county has some funding generally it's on a limited basis there's not a ton of funding available and it's you know allocated maybe one or two projects a year uh depending on what the funding is um there's also the nine percent tax credit program that you're all probably familiar with that program you're getting more than double the tax credit equity to fund affordable housing those are generally used to fund smaller workforce housing projects you know maybe 50 unit projects on average because those have so much additional tax credit equity those projects don't always necessarily need tiff i think some still do need tiff we haven't done one in a long time um but but larger workforce housing projects that are using these funding sources need tiff and again we're doing these all over so i just wanted to kind of clarify that um i do agree there are some funding resources out there have you checked the housing finance agency yeah i'm very familiar with their funding programs yeah and i can't speak to common bond obviously they're a non-profit developer they do a lot of what we do as well you know do they have access to certain funding sources that we maybe don't as a non-profit i don't know the answer to that i personally don't know how they fund their projects but speaking from a developer that does a lot of this and is very familiar uh you know with the funding mechanisms that are used to do workforce housing it is a needed resource so without creating a housing tip just having tiff for these projects they're not financially feasible in our opinion so um you know i appreciate your time i think there's a pretty clear consensus that supporting tiff for an affordable housing project is probably not a priority for the city um so that's why i didn't see really a need to do the presentation but um you know i appreciate everyone's time and thanks for having me here well thank you for coming in and thank you for showing us your product yeah you're welcome okay thank you okay okay steph do you have a sense i have what i need thank you yeah i think you do you know we're open and you know some of the things that we've done in the past like with the heart of the city you might have a special district like we're doing with the center village if we get tif authorization that could probably be a special district and so but we have to go through all of the process to get to say what is within that special district that we'll use because most of it right now if i understand correctly what we're going to the legislature for tiff is for the infrastructure so it's not going to go to help fund a project we have so much infrastructure to build down in that area that's what that's going to be used for so but but i think there is available a lot of funding around for workforce housing okay all right i think staff have what they need and we go on to the next item cobit 19 response update our city manager miss muscali thank you madam mayor and council tonight we have three updates for you and we've got three staff members to provide some additional information we're going to kick it off with jenny faulkner with an update on our business grant program and then garrett and ryan are else going to provide some updates and some of our operational um updates i guess i'll call it over the last several months so with that i'll turn it over to ms faulkner thank you very much thank you very much i'm just going to provide a brief update on our your cares program i should say um we have i think the checks are in the mail or i was just asked that today for the nonprofits for the nonprofits at least we were able to get that paperwork all settled last week um then we have we're going to do our lottery tomorrow morning we had a few final things to wrap up today but we have 161 applicants that submitted 127 of them are eligible for the lottery 20 of them were ineligible primarily due to not showing us that they had a loss of revenue due to covid and then 14 that were incomplete remember we told folks we were collecting everything up front we'll give you a week to submit something we had 14 of those that did not get back to us with what we'd asked for so the total dollar amount of those 127 applications is about 2.3 million dollars and um our program has up to twenty thousand dollars per grant not everyone requested the full amount there are a handful that had asked for or only had eligible costs for less so um for the nonprofits those i signed the check request last week so they're they're they're out of our control out of our and uh on their way um so the only one that's left is the hospital right that's correct and that that is an allocation that can be made outside of this program so um so we're going to do the lottery tomorrow until we reach the million dollar mark the goal is to get rid of all of that money um tomorrow and then we just have to do a couple of quick minor things we want to make sure they're in good standing with the city so we're just going to make sure their water bills are paid and if there's any code violations we'll want those cleared up and that's kind of what the county is doing too we're not going to kick anybody out because they have that we're going to bring them into good standing so so that they can get the funding is is the goal there and then we will be we have to collect one final form and that gets to when the expenses were incurred if they're already incurred they can verify they were used for these purposes if they're going to happen in the future then we'll have to get that form at a later date we'll also want to check in with deed or at least ask them if they've been notified by deed the list from deed has not come out yet so we're not going to hold checks because that list hasn't come out yet we are just we have the list of who applied at d but did not get funded so we can kind of do a reverse review but for those we don't have information we're just going to ask them to verify or ask if they've received any contact from deep so that part will be done and then those checks will be in the mail very shortly we have to do some stuff behind the scenes i just wanted to share with you just because the checks are cut the program's not over and so we have to make sure our files are all cleaned up all the documents are there that those are saved we are preparing for an audit that is going to be the next thing that's going to happen we don't i don't know exactly when but we're going to make sure everything's buttoned up for that we'll be reimbursing ourselves costs to run the program to date so far staff has spent 280 hours on this program it's not just me it's i.t staff it's support staff it's communication staff we spent 2 100 directly on marketing and postage and then we have our consulting fees to pay so we did anticipate some administrative costs as part of this so that is in line with that so far for those that don't get picked in our lottery tomorrow there are 329 burnsville businesses that apply to the counties program their grants are 10 000 each 100 of our applicants of our 161 also applied to the county so those are going to get funded either way those hundred are and the county has not issued checks yet so we will be issuing checks in front of them so we will certainly be sharing our list with them and we're going to assume that they would want burnsville's 20 000 over the county's 10 000. so that's where we're at with the program and i will stand for any questions that you may have okay any questions the only question i was asked with the private information on their finances is that secured information um absolutely madam mayor that's what the docusign portal is for that meets all of the requirements for computer security and that's what i said but they said that in some of the things that they read they did the county had it that it was secured but ours didn't and i said that can't be ours is it's a it's a private third party party and that's what i i remember that we have a third party doing all of that and it gets housed there and it doesn't so it's not in city hall where it becomes now public data well the data is still owned by the city so certain parts of it are public like the names of those who get funded certain parts are not and they'll never be public their financial state data practices absolutely all of their financials and all of their numbers their ein and their tax codes and all of those things are all secured it is all secured yes okay that's good councilmember workman thank you um for the individuals that aren't selected is there gonna be a follow up with them just uh let them know that they were not yes yeah we will [Laughter] we're caring and kind okay thank you okay madame i think you know we will try to get some nice photo ops and opportunities with you i'll be i'll be reaching out to you um as we find businesses who are willing to have their picture taken with us in a big check and the letters are coming out you i think i've seen a draft of it with all of your signatures on it um thanking them for being in the city and whatnot so that's included with the check great good that letter goes out with all of our signatures councilmember keeley thank you madam mayor uh when are we going to discuss that second million that we all talked about and all supported going up to if in fact the demand was going to be at least that or higher well i would like to still understand what our expenses are going to be because that's for me taking care of the city is taking care of our residents and businesses on the other side so that we we make sure that uh you know when we look at 2021 budget it's not we're not going to be back filming and when will we understand those costs so we can make this decision because we're against the clock about getting this process if we're going to do another round it's not something we can pillar on with for the next month because we'll run into a problem executing it on time we're going to have to make that decision for the max tax so i'm going to go to our city manager and then i'll come to council member gustavson madam mayor and council i can work with jenny to bring back an update with the council on our cares expenditure plan and that's jenny rhodey yes finance director jenny rohde yeah okay um i can work with her on our next well we would be setting our max tax on the 22nd so i can work with her on on that okay so we had 4.7 million that was given to us and we have 2.3 million in qualified eligible applicants that leaves a lot a couple more million or so for other expenses um i understand from city manager lee that the county had 11.1 million or 2 million in total grant applications it looked to me like um some people applied at the county but didn't the city about three to one almost i was 300 and some applied to the county and a hundred is that did i see that slide correctly so interesting they uh decided to apply in a burns burnsville business to applied for the county but didn't apply for the burnsville grant but it sounded like the county was going to likely just allocate funds to accommodate all 11.1 or 2 million if we're making our picks in advance that's going to disqualify a large chunk we're actually going to help the county reduce how much they need to actually allocate toward it because we'll be knocking out you know x number of businesses however many that that ends up becoming but um i just want to make the point this this cares fund you know i remember the response that this council gave uh the last time we talked about this and i'm a big advocate of helping every single business that we possibly can to put an application in and i think 2.3 out of 4.7 is not too much to ask for to allocate to help our businesses and that still leaves us a significant amount of karex funny money that we can address our costs related which last estimate was about 900 000 so we still have a long way to go and i would encourage the rest of my council to stick with what they said the last time about this and let's give more businesses more help out of this karazhak funding and go to the 2 million number that we talked about doing thank you thank you councilmember gustafsson i will stick with what i've been saying all along yeah and that is once we know how this affects us as a city we can talk about more money i want to make sure that we're protecting programs that we have in place and i want to make sure that our own employees have jobs when this thing is done as well and i'm not willing to furlough city staff to put money out for something else right now so let's do our diligence get to our max tax and we can have that discussion and we have all the information and i've always said that i want to understand what our expenses are as we move forward i heard you and you wanted two million but i still want to make sure that we take care of the residents of burnsville and all of the other businesses and not you know so we'll we'll have that discussion but i want to hear from our staff as to what we we could do to move forward so because i don't want to get to 2021 and then go to 2022 and we're trying to backfill council remember workman i just want to follow up finish that if i made madame here um we're up against the clock no so what i don't want to see happen is this gets slow played and we get into a position where we can't execute on it and then we decide oh well we can't do it now so i'm going to go on record as saying i do not want this to be dragged out i expect the staff instructions are what they are that we are going to come back and have this discussion in a timely manner so we can make a timely decision and be able to execute on that decision whatever that ultimate decision is i will respect but i i i want to make sure that we have an opportunity to execute on what we decide that we want to do yeah and i'm looking to uh our city manager ms koli to bring that she says september 22nd so okay councilmember workman um i was also speaking to an increase in this conversation when we discussed this last time i understand we're also just got done talking about a seven and a half percent levy so the quicker we can get these numbers verified and understand this um to council member keeley's point um as as quick as possible i'm not asking anybody to just stop what we're doing and do this but it would be good to know where some of these uncertainties are so that we can make a decision based on hard numbers instead of projections because i also agree with councilmember gustafsson that i don't want to sacrifice too much i don't want to take a big drop this year to rebound to a 12 and a half next year so there's a lot of other things that have come up so the quicker we can get where our actual numbers are going to lie the easier this decision will be about bumping this program up again okay council member shelf so my default position on this is that i am in favor of the extra one mill unless there is a clearly articulated need and numbers laid out if there's a clearly articulated need and numbers from the city of expenses that we need to be reimbursed and all that kind of stuff then yes that's where that goes because that's where that that you know part of what that cares funding was about but i'm letting you know that my default position on this is i lean towards allocating that extra 1 million dollars unless it is clearly articulated why that should not happen okay so that is my position on this okay good okay um okay miss faulconer is there anything else no i would just add certainly time is of the essence to make the decision to fund additional vote we have the applications we have their information so that helps because when we started the program from beginning to end it was eight weeks we'll know who the county funds so it i don't think it will take as long if we stick with just this and don't reopen it up and start over but just stick with those that have already applied right it's going to be a lot quicker to get funds out than it would be if we started from the beginning which is eight weeks so we do have a little bit of time but not not not that much that's something you and city manager mescaline and finance director rhodey and i'll have a conversation about right because you all have to give us that that information yeah exactly okay is there anything else no thank you very much it's been a fun project to work on and the other thank you so much scully is it um is i think garrett's gonna drive next all right good evening madam mayor council members i have the opportunity to share with you a little bit about some of our operations at a couple of our facilities and our programs since cobia 19 came to minnesota back in march and we're starting out with uh burnham wood golf course our staff have been involved across all of these areas in innovation collaboration and excellence so kind of focusing on those three areas of our values obviously initially when burnwood was shut down and the state had guidelines on what could be happening we were working through the process of if and when a day comes when we can open up burnham wood how can we do this safely for the people visiting the location and how can we do it safely with our staff and so research was being done constantly looking at how do we adjust tee times how do we remove touch points what do we do with flags holes rakes all those types of things and so the game of golf looked very similar to the average person but there are a lot of differences associated with making that a safe place for our burnsville residents and those coming from surrounding communities to go out and be able to do that we also had the opportunity to make technology improvements at this location some of them were already in the pipeline of being able to take on online registrations but then even the simple task of being able to take an in-person payment payment we made modifications to the clubhouse so that the credit card reader could be stuck out the window because the clubhouse was closed and things like that so lots of little things that were done to make sure that we could be open and open safely when the time came from a collaboration standpoint you'll remember there was a period of time where we had temporary hiring freezes for seasonals burnhamwood is a pretty small operation and other than our full-time superintendent out there we have a seasonal that rotates between the ice center and the golf course but we rely a lot on part-time staff and so staff here in city hall started working on communication and collaboration plans to figure out how do we look at employees whose jobs have been impacted and things have slowed down in those areas and how do we help burnham wood which is flourishing and in high need of having staff when we don't have seasonals and so we had different recreation staff that normally were here in city hall that were over there helping out for about four weeks we had members of the aim center that came over and helped us out and things like that until finally we got to the point where we could get some seasonals back on to help with those operations the picture there is another example of uh with the clubhouse being closed uh we still want to have the opportunity to provide refreshments to people at the golf course and so over the since we started doing party on the plaza and some other things we've had the opportunity to develop quite an extensive food truck list and so between crystal beach and burnhamwood we were working with a variety of food truck vendors to visit some of the sites that we used to have concession stand or concession services at and we're able to do some of those through those types of collaborations and then from an excellence perspective this is probably one of the best years in burnham wood golf course history as it is just the golf industry across the country the weather's been great people have had a desire to be outside and so typically in the past we'd look at a good day at burnhamwood being about 100 rounds our course has been open uh up to september 4th for 139 days and 113 of those 139 days had over 100 people are a hundred rounds of golf played there was a period where we had 36 straight days of over a hundred and several of those days in that time period had over 200 people so we've had a lot of people going through there playing golf enjoying the golf course and our staff have been they've been working hard it's been a long summer they'll be well some of us in minnesota are uh not looking forward to winter coming i think they'll be happy when the frost comes and they and they get a little chance of a break but my hat goes off to a lot of people who have done a great job to make that course a success this year what was staying with the golf course how are we doing with the weeding issues over the golf course i was going to volunteer but i have been so busy yeah so madam mayor we we did initiate a volunteer plan to allow people to sign up and and ryan i'll talk about another volunteer plan where we'd like to have people have the opportunity to come out and work in our gardens and things like that at the golf course some of the fact that it's getting colder and people are back to school and more folks are going back to work and it's getting darker sooner may allow for some of our staff to get out at periods of time and try to chip away at some of that but the reality is is that burnhamwood has looked phenomenal over the years between dan hill who running for 20-plus years and now dan roots has come in and taken over and it's definitely taken a little bit of a hit this year um that is not something that um that they're super pleased with but unfortunately i think it's a result of doing the best we can with what we have to work with right now okay as we look at one of our other recreation facilities that went the other way for a period of time as you know the ice center was closed from march it was closed on march 13th and we were able to reopen on a limited basis starting in june 8th so again shortly after that decision was made that we needed to close the ice center staff began to look at what are some of the basic things that need to happen at the ice center to make sure that the mechanical systems are operating properly and the facility is not at risk but where can folks be repurposed to serve a greater need in our community through the services we provide and so we had some of our folks get reallocated to finance somewhere in park maintenance we had some park projects that had some administrative work and then we had some fleet maintenance type things that staff were all helping out with some 20 hours a week some 40 hours a week during that closure similar to our golf course staff there was time spent working with the minnesota ice arena managers association the minnesota amateur sports commission trying to figure out how do we open up our facility when the time comes in a safe way for both staff and those who are visiting the facility and so we had a significant involvement in being a part of what those cleaning procedure guidelines and what those return to play safely guidelines looked like we also had the opportunity to put the facility to use we worked with the community to host a memorial blood center blood drive and we also worked with the red cla red cross to host a second blood drive during the time when the arena was shut down that was our low point not the blood drives that was a great thing but being closed and i know our staff were excited on june 8th to start to see people returning i'm pleased to say for the last year we've actually been working with our legacy user groups to improve what was really an old ice rental process and it was really starting to roll out in the beginning of this spring and so when we did reopen we were actually positioned pretty well to be able to start meeting the demands of our local legacy groups and then once their demands were met to be able to quickly start meeting the demands of some of our surrounding communities that have a higher need or a strong need to maximize ice rental opportunities at our arena so hockey is moving forward as are the other skating sports at the ice center they're predicted to be going full speed ahead and our ice rental numbers are showing that at this time and and so whereas we're renting as much ice as we ever had at this time of year for the fact that that the main skating season is about to occur and then finally um i'd like to talk about our recreation staff um like many of the world for the recreation staff was turned upside down in march uh and then again in april and then again in mid-april and then again in late april and so on and so forth things were changing constantly what could we do what couldn't we do how are we doing any of the things that we used to do were all the questions that were being asked and then the rules were changing and they were being asked again and again so our early plans focused on things we now call virtual programming which take place in front of screens and then we were looking at how do we get individual family groups outside to being to enjoy our parks in a safe way the team was spending time creating ideas from scratch each week and then making updates to those and then making updates and having things on the website and then scrapping them because there were new opportunities to do other things and then we even eventually transitioned into some pretty normal programming with some modifications to it that i'll talk about a little bit later like our ice center staff our recreation staff had portions of their hours or all of their hours reallocated to serving other city departments via i.t parks hr and then i mentioned helping out the golf course our recreation folks who are still working out of the office we're working with private businesses our school district and other non-profit groups to help bring recreational opportunities to our community out in our parks and in our facilities so obviously the concert series is an example of that but we also partnered with the school district at a local karate group about using parks and there are other things around those lines so as we look to the excellent side of things as the state loosened up its sports requirements many of the cities around us folded their programs and and kind of shut down for the summer our staff actually were able to maintain a 155 team summer and fall softball program which was phenomenal to typically have about 180 and we maintained about 155 of those through all of us and that season just wrapped up not too long ago we did four virtual rocking lunch hours which had over 1 500 viewers which is pretty amazing and then our three drive-in movies had over 300 cars [Music] combined on the three nights and just a lot of thank yous from the people that were out there saying that they really appreciate what we're doing so i can tell you our staff are not resting on the summer we're more prepared and knowledgeable now and we know that there's a good chance that there's going to be some spikes up and down that impact with our fall and winter look and so we're in the middle of doing a lot of brainstorming and planning and look at how can we be ahead of the game this time around as things change in the months to come so we'll stand for any questions at this time well i don't have any questions except a lot of um gratefulness and gratitude for everything that our staff is doing jenny from all of the things that you're doing with our program on the cares act garrett for all of the things that you're doing because you know i've been there for the some of the activities and um you know our staff comes ready to work and uh are happy to do what they're doing for our community so ms mascali thank you for all of that to all of you because with miss faulconer's staff we were there for the movie nights helping with all of that and it council members keeley and and gustafson helping and it was great fun and there were people who have never been to a drive-in movie and are experiencing it for the first time and then coming back because their children enjoyed it so much and they came early so they could have a better position and so and and thank you i mean i walk that area with the golf course the golf course does look nice and there's a lot of people always a lot of people play so i didn't call for any time because it looks like it was just a revolving yeah so thank you to all of our staff for the great work during such difficult time and challenging time and we didn't miss a beat so thank you and to all the things that's going on with public works also the roads are they look good we still have things to do councilman yes mr peterson i've got a few slides but i promise i can go through them quickly want to do yes please do and then i let i think uh other council members have some comments to make and then i'll come to you with your public works program councilmember schultz you know staff has done a really incredible job working cross-departmentally as well there has been a ton of cross-dependent departmental work helping each other no one's really done the oh that's not my area that's that's not my work um and the new processes that are being put in place and that were developed and were developed on the fly um those are incredible and those are things that won't just be used during this time you know as an emergency thing those are things that will benefit our residents for years to come those new processes and and ways of of doing things and i would also like to thank our residents for also stepping up in a myriad of ways and being involved and asking how they can help and you know doing so impromptu and also in more organized fashions such as working with the city and doing the plantings and things like that so you know sometimes people focus on the negative because that's how human brains work because we you know that's a survival mechanism to watch for danger and so we don't pause and realize how fantastic everyone has been and how everyone has stepped up and whether that's city employees or whether that's residents people have just stepped up and they've been responsible and they've been selfless and when they've seen a need they've just have stepped in and done it and so thank all of you and thank our residents and this is just another example of how when there are crisis human beings like our natural instinct really is to help and we do that's what we do so we need to focus on how awesome that is and not the you know man bites dog of when someone's occasionally a dick so there you go councilmember gustafsson i would just like to personally thank all of our staff and our park staff especially you made the summer of 2020 as normal as you could have with what we were dealing with where parks were i mean every time i went to the parks there was full of people uh programs were starting up it was nice to go out to the ball fields you saw people playing ball you're right the concert series there are a lot of different things that happen in the city that gave us a sense of somewhat normal during these these trying times right now and it was really due to the hard work of this city and and the staff of this city that made that happen for everybody and and i can tell you as someone that was involved in the music music series we had people coming from lake city and anoka i mean they were coming from everywhere just to be in burnsville to do something that they couldn't do anywhere else yeah and a lot of that came from the work you guys did which allowed us to do the work we needed to do out there so thank you very much yeah we have an awesome staff thank you all staff yeah uh mr peterson all right uh jenny will be my person who moves along but um for i have some excellent examples of everything you talked about uh this is an example of we couldn't hire seasonals and we didn't want our sign planters what a pot so we invented a adopt a sign planter thing i don't know so these are just a couple examples of uh we're in the engineering secretary manager who has nothing well she's in the public department but she doesn't do that type of operational thing she said yeah i can take on the administrative side of it and then the person who typically would do these you know brought the plants out so um you know you talked about learning things i don't see a reason why we wouldn't try to move this into the future look how good they're doing this is just a couple examples so excellent um so we just crafted our thank you letters that we'll be sending out soon to those residents so um and this is an example of so the flowers in the nichola commons parts we have to water those every three to four days because they're not sitting in just a teeny tiny little bit of soil so those were the flowers on the left that used to be or were going to go into pots hanging from the lights so we couldn't water them seven days a week so what we did was took all those flowers planted them in the park or and there's a couple of grade um big huge bases that are there and then um we just experiment but like on burnsville parkway those you can't see it real well but the the plant there is actually a fake plant that we investigated and they look good you know so this might be another area where do we need to invest in putting live plants up there when people aren't just usually looking up 15 feet into the air but that you notice the color that they provide so you know we'll continue to investigate and try to make improvements based upon what we've done so that was we just did seven on the polls on burnsville parkway there i noticed it and i came in and i asked how come there are only five i think it's right um and the rest of it isn't there and miss muscali says we're trying out something new [Laughter] and it's artificial correct but they look okay so if you haven't noticed take a look eco-friendly you don't have to waste water on them all right and then uh one of the main things we did for safety of our employees was um as opposed to having 50 60 people show up at the maintenance center each and every day we use some of our other facilities that we have all the way down from like al magna park um all the way up to the there's a little area under the parking heart of the city parking ramp and then the red dot right by city hall is the old garage where um in that the pitcher on the left is one of our employees who is based out of there now so this way we're not if we had a challenge we would we wouldn't have all our employees being exposed and also just reduces our exposure rate so we do and plan on utilizing this facility this winter as well i think we have our trail um cleaning operations here along with some park um stuff so we spread our operations out it's made it more challenging on our superintendents to keep it all in line but uh they have been very excellent at making sure that we continue to operate efficiently excellent you may have heard that there was a toilet paper shortage um you might have heard about that back in march april yeah and then you may have heard that flushables uh something that says flushable that isn't toilet paper isn't necessarily flushable so these are pumps that came out of the crystal lake with maple island lift station so we actually take quite a bit of lakeville sewage um down to that low spot in by crystal lake on maple island and then we pump it up and they do repay us for that by the way just so you know um but uh so this is a situation where we were getting these and we were having to replace or either take them out and fix them or in this case we actually did replace it with something that has a grinding mechanism prior to going there so um result there is we plan on putting that type of pumps in on future projects of similar nature so um you know just nature or necessity breeds oh there's a something in there that i'm not saying right but you know where i'm going with it jenny wants to go next slide sorry part collaborations uh as garrett said we enjoy a very good relationship garrett and i do and um the things that we do work together because of that um you know he does a lot of programming in my area has the maintenance aspect but this is a situation where we would have probably had three or four people for a day to move all our soccer goals out and we ended up having to allocate one person and then the soccer club allocated the people who provide the horsepower so this is how you do it you can see our guy in the there on the left helping and then the soccer club actually came out and did the the work we got to sign waivers so if they got hurt you know it wasn't on us but you know but generally it was a big collaboration between parks and then um people who really want to be able to play because we want to bring them out otherwise also like in baseball um we used to have 45 seasonals and now this year much less so the players or the coaches are actually doing some of the ranking of the fields in between games so it's like you said residents kicking in and our staff at the same time this is that the deal where the resident told us that can we provide some picnic tables out to restaurants and we because we're not having these big gatherings we were able to allocate some of our picnic tables out and another collaboration between jenny's staff and the public staff uh community development figured out who needed them told us and then we went out and delivered them and then more collaboration is the guy on the right is garrett's staff member who got reallocated for a little while so you know you know what she said councilman ourselves about us knowing yes saying we can't work in a different area so and but that's the beauty of what we do here we work in not just teams but work groups how it all coordinates but i want you to know that our restaurants were really appreciative that we did this for them i mean yeah they have seating outside and expand at their footprint right and you couldn't buy picnic tables and we didn't charge a cent for this so you know yeah and then also uh publix has been involved with a couple social events this was the george floyd like the houston thing where they wanted to light up the night and we kind of what can we put together you know we got almost no notice but well let's bring the letters out there and doesn't you belong here really say everything there is about peace people of all different uh diversity areas belonging in burnsville so we thought that was the best so we you know had that lit up from whatever it got dark till two in the morning or something and then uh the women's rate uh voting rights for 100 year anniversary we did the lighting of the colors in uh so both of these were nice gestures that didn't require a lot of you know you can see the sandbags sitting under the end there you know so so the point is that we can we can make a difference without having to overdo it yeah thank you that was really nice for this and also for the 100th anniversary of the women's right to vote that was great that is the end of it again thank you to our staff thank you to our community thank you i mean we all came together that's what burnsville is about so thank you everybody thank you anything else councilmember keeley just a uh an announcement about our um oh yeah yeah our event fire muster covet style we have a fire truck display by the fire engine club of minnesota this saturday from 5 to 10 right out here in civic center parkway in front of city hall where they will be a stationary display similar to what they do at the firebuster normal fire muster and cars will be allowed to pass by slowly and take in the trucks and the big arches of water cannons and wave to the fire truck folks and we have a a local retailer who's willing to come and hand out a gift card to the people who are attending much like our drive-in movie where we gave out candy and popcorn and then at 9 30 p.m saturday this is all happening this saturday the 12th fireworks display will proceed off the top of buck hill and we're encouraging everyone to drive as close as they can and there's going to be about 500 cars allowed to park in buck hills parking lot they must remain in their car to watch the show and we expect a fairly good crowd of people from maybe around the area to enjoy a great fireworks show saturday night so a little piece of what we used to enjoy every year in a very challenging year we're still going to try and salvage and i also want to give compliments to council member gustafsson and again the music program the last 12 days of music that ended summer really uh was fantastic i stopped by and i saw madame mayor there and mr gustafsson and it was just a great way to get some normalcy back into our lives and that's what we're hoping to provide on saturday as well and look forward to better times after this well you forgot to tell people about the heart of the city race yes we have a well it's a virtual run uh we have a and it's it's not a single event we launched it over a month ago and people can run any 5 10 or 15 k route that they can design and submit their time through an app or through a website link it's all found at hotcrace.org and it concludes sunday the 13th and then because we don't have the ability to validate everything it's really on the honor system and we want to get more people participating we're doing a drawing for i think five or six of these gift baskets of everybody who registers and i want to thank our local businesses who have stepped up again to support feeding the kids at the boys and girls club and supporting a local non-profit okay so thank you councilmember workman i just wanted to make one parting uh comment dan keeley's being very humble right now but um he is almost single-handedly planned this entire fire muster event as well as the race and i don't know if you're drinking stronger coffee or what but dan deserves an incredible amount of praise i talked to john gessner this week and i just kept telling him keeley's kind of just taken this on and done it and um i don't know how he's doing it but he's doing it and so thank you for all your hard work putting this all together yeah thank you mr work man and i it's a team effort there are uh there are folks that uh there are other folks that are working on this and and it's uh uh i just i'm just delighted that we can do it that we found a way and i i give hats off it was the the idea sparked on june 2nd because i went through who was having fireworks and i saw lakeville was still going to have their fireworks you just can't come to the park just get as close as you can to the park and enjoy the show and that light bulb went off i said so can we when it comes time for fireworks so we figured out a way to get it done and then the fire engine club of minnesota were gracious they reached out to tammy and they wanted to put on display as they did in your old uh in hastings and and uh that was great so we have fire trucks and fireworks on saturday the 12th yeah i appreciate that to our council members gustafson and keeley thank you for taking our summer and making it enjoyable not only for burnsville residents but for many of our guests from around not only the south metro from but also from the north metro and even all the way down to lake city right yeah so nicely done gentlemen thank you we know how to party in burnsville yeah we know how to do that next year we'll be back to partying on the plaza right yeah yeah very good okay if there is nothing else uh to come before the body this evening and a motion to adjourn is in order motion to adjourn so councilmember schultz makes a motion second by councilmember keeley all in favor please say aye aye and the motion carries good night and thank you for being with us you