>>COUN. DAVIS: LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, GOOD EVENING. WELCOME TO THE 33rd MEETING OF THE 25th CITY COUNCIL WE'LL CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. FOR THOSE OF YOU IN THE CHAMBERS WE ASK YOU TO TAKE COWER SEAT SO WE CAN GET STARTED. ALL OF THE COUNCILORS ARE PRESENT OR WILL BE JOINING SHORTLY TO GET OUR MEETING STARTED WE TURN OUR MEETING OVER TO OUR VICE-PRESIDENT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THIS TIME, WE'RE GOING TO DO THE MOMENT OF SILENCE. COUNCILOR JONES IS GOING TO LEAD US IN ENGLISH. AND COUNCILOR SANCHEZ THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE IN SPANISH. PLEASE PRIZE. -- RISE. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. MR. PRESIDEN -- >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THIS EVENING OUR MEETINGS WILL GO SMOOTHER IF WE'RE RESPECFUL OF ONE ANOTHER. WE HAVE A FEW RULES WE PUT TO ENSURE PROPER DECORUM. HAND OUTS OF THE RULEERIZE AVAILABLE FROM OUR STAFF AT THE TABLE NEAR THE CHAMBER ENTRANCE IN THE LOBBY. IF YOU'RE INTERESTED YOU CAN OBTAIN ONE THERE. THERE WILL BE NO SIGNS, PROPS POSTERS OR BANNERS. OTHER THAN THAT DISPLAYED AT THE PRESENTATIONS AT THE DAIS. IT SHALL NOT BE HELD TO BLOCK OR CRATES DRAKZ. ITEMS MUST BE REMOVED AT THE END OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT. ONLY THE INDIVIDUAL WHO THE COUNCIL HAS CALLED UPON TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT MAY STAND THERE. MULTIPLE PERSONS ARE NOT PERMITTED TO STAND AND THE ONLY EXCEPTIONS ARE THOSE WHO NEED TRANSLATORS OR REASONABLE ACCOMMODATIONS. THE TIME LIMIT IS STRICTLY ENFORCED AND THE COMMENTS MUST BE DIRECT TODAY THE COUNCIL THROUGH THE PRESIDENT NOT THROUGH MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC OR STAFF. THERE ARE NO TOLERANCE FOR OUTBURS DETERMINED BY THE CHAIR. THE LANDING AREA TO THE RIGHT SIDE MUST BE KEPT CLEAR AT ALL TIMES. THOSE DESIRING TO RECORD WILL BE DIRECTED TO THE LEFT OF OUR DAIS OVER HERE, WE HAVE SPECIAL SEATS DESIGNATED FOR THAT PURPOSE. THE FIRE MARSHAL DIRECTED TO ENFORCE INGRESS AND EGRESS. IN THE EVENT OF DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR I'LL DO AMY BEST TO PRED A WARNING. AND IF NECESSARY, I'LL ASK THE SECURITIED -- SECURITY TO ESCORT OUT OF THE CHAMBERS. THE REMOVAL IS EFFECTIVE FOR THE REMAINOR OF THE MEETING. IF CONTINUED DISRUPTIONS OCCUR THE COUNCIL RESERVES THE RIGHT TO RESOURCE UNTIL ORDER IS RESTORED AND WE MAY CLEAR PERSONS WHO PARTICIPATE IN THE DISTURBANCE. THAT'S THE DOS AND DON'TS. PLEASE GET US STARTED. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. CIVIC PLAZA PARKING PASSES ARE PROVIDED FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. COW CAN OBTAIN AT THE TABLE NEAR THE CHAMBER ENTRANCE. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CITY STAFF AND MEDIA HAVE THE ABILITY TO VIEW THIS IN PERSON OR ON LIVE STREAM THREW FEWER DIFFERENT PLATFORMS. GOVTV ON COMCAST CHANNEL 16. THE GOVTV WEBSITE. YOU TUBE AND ZOOM. THE LIVE STREAMS CAN BE ACCESSED FROM MOST SMART PHONES TABLETS OR COMPUTERS. THIS MEETING IS CLOSED CAPTIONED AND YOU MAY ENABLE IT SERVICES ON TELEVISION OR DEVICE AT THIS TIME. THE VIDEO RECORDING OF THIS AND ALL PAST COUNCIL MEETINGS WILL REMAIN AVAILABLE FOR VIEWING AT ANY TIME ON THE CITY COUNCIL WEBSITE. COUNCIL STAFF IS AVAILABLE VIA TELEPHONE IF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC NEED ASSISTANCE FINDING THE VIDEOS ONLINE. PLEASE CALL 505-768-3100 FOR ASSISTANCE DURING BUSINESS HOURS MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY 8 TO 5 P.M. THE COUNCIL WILL TAKE A BREAK AT APPROXIMATELY 7 P.M., IF NEED. WITH REGARD TO DECORUM IN THE CHAMBERS WE WANT TO THE -- TONIGHT TO BE AS CIVIL AS POSSIBLE. PLEASE DON'T MAKE ANY PERSONAL ATTACKS OR NO OUTBURSTS OR APPLAUSE. WE'RE GOING TO DO PROCLAMATIONS AND PRESENTATIONS. COUNCILOR BENTON. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM JERRY SLOEN WHO IS THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND INTERGOVERNMENTAL TRIBAL LIAISON REGARDING TRIBAL CONSULTATION. >> IS THERE A MICROPHONE I CAN HOLD? OKAY. THANK YOU, HONORABLE PRESIDENT DAVIS. HONORABLE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND HONORED GUESTS. I SPEAK TO YOU TODAY FROM THE TRADITIONAL HOMELANDS OF THE PUEBLO PEOPLE. THE CARE TAKERS AND NURTURERS OF THE SACRED LAND SINCE TIME IMMEMORIAL. I'M THE CITY'S INTERGOVERNMENTAL LIAISON. MY CLANS ARE OF THE -- AND HOPI GRANDFATHER IS THE FIRE CLAN. IT'S AN HONOR TO SPEAK TO YOU TODAY. I'M HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT MEANINGFUL TRIBAL CONSULTATION. ALBUQUERQUE HAS THE HONOR OF BEING ESTABLISHED NEAR FIVE TRIBES. THE PUEBLO OF SANTA ANA TO THE NORTHWEST AND SANDIA TO THE NORTH. AND OVERALL 23 FEDERALLY ACKNOWLEDGED SAUFBERN SELF-DETERMINED TRIBES IN NEW MEXICO. MEANING CONSULTATION IS A TWO-WAY DIALOGUE AND ENGAGEMENT PROCESS THAT EMBRACES MUTUAL RESPECT, HONOR, TRUTH AND JUSTICE. AND MUST TAKE THE TIME IT NEEDS TO GROW, PROSPER AND BE SUCCESSFUL. SUCCESSFUL RELATIONS ARE BUILT UPON THE DIPLOMATIC DEVELOPMENT OF MUTUAL RESPECT AND TRUST. UNDERSTANDING THE CULTURE AND CUSTOMS WITH MUTUAL EQUITABLE GOALS AND GROWING PERSONAL AND PROFESSIONAL RELATIONSHIPS THAT EMBODY TRUE ETHICAL AND MEANINGFUL INTENT. IT RESPECTS THE RIGHTS OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLES AS OUTLENNED IN THE UNITED NATIONS DECLARATIONS OF RIGHTS OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLE. IT EXHIBITS THE INTERNATIONAL DOCTRINE OF FREE AND PRIOR AND INFORMED CONSENT. WHICH SHOULD BE INITIATED PRIOR TO INITIATED ANY DEVELOPMENT PROJECT IMPLEMENTATION OF NEW OR AMENDMENTS TO ORDINANCES REGULATIONS POLICIES AGREEMENTS, AND PROGRAMS THAT WILL DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY AFFECT THE PUEBLOS, TRIBES OR INDIANINATIONS. IT'S A CRITICAL PRINCIPLE OF TRIBAL CONSULTATION. MEANINGFUL CONSULTATION IS THE PROCESS OF RESPECTING AND HONORING TRAUBAL -- TRIBAL SOVEREIGNTY AND RECOGNIZING THEY'RE LEGITIMATE GOVERNMENTS. OR NATION-STATES WITHIN A SAUFB SAUFBERN IT IS THE PROCESS OF MEANINGFULLY ENGAGING ON A PEER TO PEER GOVERNMENT TO GOVERNMENT LEADER TO LEADER BASIS INCLUSIVE OF LISTENING EAR, AND MUTUAL UNDERSTANDING. MEANINGFUL CONSULTATION SHOULD BE INITIATED BETWEEN THE MAYOR AND TRIBAL LEADERS. THEY SHALL BE HONORED AND RESPECTED AS IF THEY'RE HEADS OF STATE. LIKE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. THE PRIME MINISTER OF JAPAN OR THE PRIME MINISTER OF THE UNITED KINGDOM. NATIVE INDIGENOUS AMERICAN NATIONS AND PEOPLE ARE RE-ESTABLISHING THEIR PLACE IN SOCIETY. THE GLOBAL ARENA AND POLITICS AND GOVERNMENT AND HERE AND AROUND THE WORLD. THEREFORE, CITY TRIBAL CONSULTATIONS ARE NEEDED IN ORDER TO RESPECT AND HONOR THE EVER-EAUFBLING RESPONSIBILITY TO A RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR TRIBAL NEIGHBORS. MEANINGFUL TRIBAL CONSULTATION SHOULD BE AN IMPORTANT ASPECT OF WHO THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE IS. AS THE CITY GROWS AND DEVELOPS, THE TRIBAL CONSULTATION PROTOCOL WE HAVE THE CHANCE TO SET PRECEDENCE IN NORTH AMERICA. AS IT BECOMES GOVERNMENT TO GOVERNMENT STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES. I SENT EACH OF YOU A COPY OF THE CURRENT TRIBAL CONSULTATION DRAFT WHICH I HOPE TO GET A TRANCE TO GO THROUGH. FOR YOUR REVIEW INUTPUT AND FEEDBACK. I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT. IT IS CURRENTLY BEING USED AND HAS BEEN SHARED WITH THE TRIBES OF NEW MEXICO. THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE, TREASURY, AND INTERIOR AND VETERAN'S ADMINISTRATION, SMALL BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION, AT THEIR REQUEST. TUZ FINALLY, I STAND READY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, TO MEET WITH YOU OR GO OVER ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND FURTHER DISCUSS TRIBAL AND INDIGENOUS PEOPLE'S ISSUES AS YOUR CITY'S INTERGOVERNMENTAL TRIBAL LIAISON. >>COUN. GROUT: COUNCILORS, ANY QUESTIONS? MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. THANK YOU TO COUNCILOR BENTON FOR SPONSORING. TO GET TO THE POINT, I'D GLAD YOU'RE HERE. WE'VE HEARD CONCERNS IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS ABOUT THE LACK OF ENGAGEMENT WITH PARTICULARLY ONE OF THE PUEBLOS RELATING TO IDO PROVISIONS IN GENERAL THAT MIGHT IMPACT DEVELOPMENT. THERE'S A MATTER THAT'S BEEN BEFORE THIS COUNCIL THAT IS IN LITIGATION SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO SPEAK ABOUT THAT. IN GENERAL, CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT WHAT THE MAYOR'S OFFICE HAS DONE TO REACH OUT TO PUEBLO NEIGHBORS? I THINK NEAR ISLETA AND MESA DEL SOL AND LAG ON -- LAGUNA. WHAT WAS THE ROLE IN REACHING OUT TO THE NEIGHBORS? >> WE HAVE MET WITH PUEBLOS OF ISLETA AND LAGUNA. AND ACTUALLY IN THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING AN MOU LETTER RIGHT NOW. WE'LL WORKUTE WORK OUT THE SPECIFICS OF WHAT THAT MOU IS GOING TO BE AND WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF NEGOTIATIONS IN THAT ISSUE. WE WILL BE CREAING ONE. WE'RE HOPING THAT WE CAN CREATE AN MOU WITH THE NEIGHBOR TRIBES. THE PUEBLO OF LAGUNA, WE MET WITH THEM BEFORE. AND I ACTUALLY HAVE A MEETING PLANNED WITH THE PUEBLO ON MONDAY. I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFICS OF THAT DISCUSSION BUT I HAVE AN AGENDA THAT GOES OVER. WE HAVE A TRIBAL REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE PUEBLO OF LAGUNA ON COMMISSION OF INDIAN AFFAIRS. I'LL DISCUSS THOSE ISSUES. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND HOUSING AND OTHER ISSUES. OF COURSE IF THEY BRING UP THE ISSUE OF PETROGLYPH I'LL DISCUSS THAT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU SO MUCH. I THINK THE LAGUNA GOVERNOR IS HERE TO SPEAK OUT. I THINK THEY HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT IDO AND NOT BEEN ENGAGED. DO YOU KNOW WHEN THAT CITY COMMISSION MET? >> IT WAS LAST WEDNESDAY. WE'RE IN COMMUNICATION WITH THE LAGUNA REPRESENTATIVE TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK FROM THE PUEBLO ON THAT ISSUE. >>COUN. DAVIS: IF YOU CAN GIVE US AN UPDATE I WANT TO CLOSE THAT LOOP. MAYBE WE CAN CONNECT YOU TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS SPEAKING. >>COUN. GROUT: COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. I HAVE A TROUBLE WITH THE PUSH TO TALK. JUST HAD A QUESTION, MY QUESTION IS BASICALLY HOW LONG HAS -- HAVE WE HAD YOU WORKING FOR THE ADMINISTRATION IN YOUR CAPACITY? THIS IS SOMETHING NEW? OR HAS THIS BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS? I JUST WANT A LITTLE HISTORY. >> SINCE SEPTEMBER 1, 2019. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN OTHER ADMINISTRATIONS, WE'VE HAD THIS BEFORE, RIGHT? WHERE THE CITY GOVERNMENT HAS ACTUALLY WORKED WITH OUR NEIGHBORS, TRIBAL NEIGHBORS, I'VE ACTUALLY AS A POLICE OFFICER BACK IN THE DAY HAD OPPORTUNITY TO GO OUT WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND OTHER ADMINISTRATIONS AND GO OUT THERE. THIS HAS HAPPENED IN OTHER ADMINISTRATIONS BEFORE, CORRECT? >> THERE HAVE BEEN A TRIBAL LIAISON, PER SE. I'M ACTUALLY THE FIRST INTERGOVERNMENTAL LIAISON. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. >>COUN. GROUT: COUNCILOR BENTON. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. MR. SLOEN, THANKS FOR BEING HERE. AND THANKS FOR OUR OTHER CONVERSATIONS. I ALWAYS ENJOY HEARING FROM YOU. AND PERSONALLY I CERTAINLY ENJOYED THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PUEBLO GOVERNORS AND THE DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION WHICH IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF DISTRICT TWO. AND IMPORTANT PART OF THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. AS ARE SO MANY NATIVE-AMERICAN THINGS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. AND THOSE THAT LIVE IN URBAN ALBUQUERQUE IN THE PRESENT. WE KNOW WE'VE TACKLED SOME TOUGH ISSUES WITH REGARD TO THE 4H PARK AND OTHERS. I FOLLOW THAT. I HOPE WE'RE WORKING IN THAT SENSE. I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE FOR ANYONE LISTENING. WE HAVE GREAT RESPECT. AND GREAT CONNECTION AND WANT TO REMAIN THE VERY BEST CONNECTION WITH OUR NEIGHBORS AND THE NATIONS. AND THE TYPE OF RESPECT THAT YOU DESCRIBED IS DUE TO THEM. AND AS A NATION. I'M HAPPY TO HAVE YOU HERE AND WE GO FORWARD WITH THE DIALOGUE. I KNOW SOMETIMES THESE ZONING MATTERS ARE PRETTY INT RUICATE AND THAT'S IT BECOMES DIFFICULT. THANKS FOR BEING HERE. I APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION. >> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR BENTON. I REALLY APPRECIATE WORKING WITH YOU ALL. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. >> HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. >>COUN. GROUT: COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. WE HAVE SOME FOLKS WHO ARE GOING TO DO A PRESENTATION. IF THE REST OF THE COUNCIL WILL INDULGE ME I DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO PLAN. YOU WILL START THE PROCLAMATION AND HAND IT OVER AND WHEREVER IT ENDS. IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT ONE. IT'S THE JUNETEENTH COMMITTEE. WE HAVE THE FOLKS. WE HAVE THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS. [ READING MEMBERS NAMES ] THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. WHEREAS JUNETEENTH ALSO KNOWN AS EMANCIPATION DAY COMMEMORATES THE OBSERANCE OF THE END OF SLAVERY IN THE UNITED STATES AND IS OBSERVED ANNUALLY ON JUNE 19. AND -- >>COUN. BENTON: WHEREAS IN TEXAS ON JUNE 19, 1865 MAJOR GENERAL GRANGER ANNOUNCED THE END OF THE CIVIL WAR AND SLAVERY. SAYING THE PEOPLE OF TEXAS ARE INFORMED THAT IN ACCORD ONCE THE PROCLAMATION FROM THE EXECUTIVE THAT THE UNITED STATES ALL SLAVES ARE FREE. >>COUN. JONES: WHEREAS THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE CALLS UPON THE RESIDENTS TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND CELEBRATE THE END OF THE CIVIL WAR AND THE EMANCIPATION OF BLACK AMERICANS AND COMMIT TO ERADICATE SYSTEMIC RACISM THAT UNDERMINES THE FOUNDING DETAS IDEALS AND PROSPERITY. >>COUN. GROUT: WHEREAS THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE FIRST CELEBRATED IT AS THE OFFICIAL HOLIDAY IN 2021. >>COUN. DAVIS: WHEREAS, THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE RESTRUCTURED THE FORMER HUMAN RIGHTS OFFICE TO THE OFFICE OF EQUITY AND INCLUSION TO BETTER ADDRESS DISPARITIES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: WHEREAS THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE CREATED THE OFF OFFENSE BLACK CREATORS AND ELDERS TO HAVE VOICES AND IDEAS REPRESENTED IN THEIR CITY GOVERNMENT. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: WHEREAS CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE IS COMMITTED TO SUPPORTING AND UPLIFTING THE BLACK COMMUNITY AND THE ALBUQUERQUE JUNETEENTH ORGANIZING COMMITTEES ANNUAL JUNETEENTH EVENT THAT CENTERS BLACK EXCELLENCE IN THE COMMUNITY. >>COUN. BASSAN: WHEREAS THE 2023 ALBUQUERQUE JUNETEENTH COMMITTEE HAS CHOSEN THE THEME KNOW YOUR ROOTS TO SHINE LIGHT ON THE BLACK DIASPORIA AND THE STRENGTH OF THE BLACK COMMUNITY IN ALBUQUERQUE AND BEYOND. >>COUN. LEWIS: BE IT PROCLAIMED THAT THE CITY GOVERNING BODY OF THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE PROCLAIM JUNE 19th, JUNETEENTH. [ APPLAUSE ] >> I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE TEAM. WE COULD NOT DO THIS WITHOUT THE COMMUNITY. THERE'S MORE THAT COULDN'T BE HERE TODAY. IT'S A CORE GROUP OF TEN PEOPLE THAT WORK TIRELESSLY FROM DECEMBER ALL THE WAY UNTIL JUNE TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE AN AMAING EVENT AT CIVIC PLAZA WHICH WE HAD THIS LAST WEEKEND. AND THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE IS ONE OF THE SPONSORS, MAJOR SPONSORS FOR THE EVENT, ALSO AS THE BLACK CHAMBER. AND IT REALLY IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF PARTNERSHIP WITH PRIVATE COMMUNITY TO REALLY SHOWCASE OUR COMMUNITY. WE THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND CONTINUED SUPPORT. AS WE KEEP PLANNING IT EVERY YEAR. >> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A -- TO TAKE A MOMENT TO RECOGNIZE THE ELDERS WHO HAVE TRADITIONALLY PUT THIS ON. IT'S IMPORTANT WE RECOGNIZE THIS IS A CULTURAL AND ORAL TRADITION BEFORE IT WAS RECOGNIZED BY THE STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. WE HAVE TO HONOR THE NAB -- ALBUQUERQUE NAACP. JOSEPH POWDRELL. AND EDJOHNSON. REVEREND HIGHTOWER. ALBUQUERQUE ELKS LODGE. REVEREND SMITH. ALABAMA AND I JUST WANT TO SAY WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT AMBIGUOUS LOSS, THERE'S A CONCEPT CALLED AMBIGUOUS LOSS. IT GOES TO THE CONCEPT OF INTERGENERATIONAL TRAUMA. PART OF THE AMBIGUOUS LOSS WHEN WE LOSE A LOVED ONE OR PARTNER PART OF HEALING IS WITNESSING. SO TODAY WE'RE WITNESSING A VERY IMPORTANT PROCLAMATION FOR THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE, FOR THE BLACK RESIDENTS AND FOR THE ENTIRE CITY ITSELF. I JUST WANT TO LIFT THAT UP AND SAY THAT AS WE CONTINUE TO STRIVE FOR A MULTI-RACIAL DEMOCRACY, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HOLD AMERICAN HISTORY UP IN GENERAL AND THEN LEARN AFRICAN-AMERICAN HISTORY IN PARTICULAR. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>COUN. DAVIS: MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. POINT OF ORDER AND REMINDER FOR FOLKS JOINING US, I'M GOING TO ASK -- THIS GENTLEMAN, IF YOU DON'T MIND HAVE A SEAT. WE HAVE TO KEEP OUR AISAISLES O FOR STAFF AND FIRE EGRESS. IF YOU LIKE TO FILM THE MEETING, WE WELCOME YOU TO DO THAT. WE HAVE A DESIGNATED SEAT TO DO THAT. YOU HAVE TO JOIN IN THE FILLING AREA. IT'S A REQUIREMENT YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO STAND THERE AND DO THAT. EITHER TAKE A SEAT OR TAKE A SEAT WITH YOUR CAMERA ON THE FAR ROW. WE APPRECIATE THAT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO ADMINISTRATION QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD. COUNCILORS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE ADMINISTRATION? COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, MY FIRST QUESTION IS FOR TRANSIT. GOOD EVENING, DIRECTOR. I KNOW THAT WE HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT THIS, BUT I HAVE BEEN HEARING FROM MULTIPLE CONSTITUENTS, I THINK ALL OF US HAVE, AND YOU HAVE TOO, WHAT IS BEING DONE ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE ARE POSTING DIFFERENT PICK UPS AND DIFFERENT LOCATIONS FOR OUR BUSES TO STOP AT AND THEY DON'T EVER SHOW UP? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN, OURS POSTED ARE THE ONES WE INTEND TO RUN. WE'RE HAVING ISSUES WITH CONTINUED DRIVER SHORTAGE. WE MADE THE SERVICE SUSPENSION WE WERE ABLE TO MAINTAIN DRIVER STATUS. SINCE THAT TIME, WE'RE DOWN ANOTHER -- 13 DRIVERS FROM MR. RAEL TO APRIL WE DID SEE A PICK UP IN THE LAST MONTH. IT'S A NEGATIVE SIX. IT ISN'T AS BAD AS LAST YEAR. WE WERE DOWN 17 AT THIS TIME LAST YEAR. ARE I -- I WILL SAY OUR SUN VAN CHAUFFEURS HAVE PICKED UP AND STARTED TO SEE RECOVERY WITH VACANCIES THERE. THAT SERVICE HAS BEEN BETTER. ON TOP OF THAT WE'VE ALSO RAN INTO UNEXPECTED MECHANIC SHORTAGE WHICH WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT AT OTHER MEETINGS IN WHICH WE HAVE TO HAVE THE BUSES READY TO GO. WE'VE BEEN BALANCING THE DRIVER SHORTAGE AND MECHANIC SHORTAGE. WE HAVE FOUR MECHANICS LEFT FOR AFR. MAINLY FOR BETTER SCHEDULES AND A COUPLE THAT HAVE GONE ON MEDICAL LEAVE OF ABSENCE. WE HAVE GOTTEN THOSE BACK. WE HAVE TWO MORE IN THE PIPELINE. WE'RE PLAYING CATCH UP WITH BUSES. IT'S BALANCING THE RESOURCES. AS WE DO KNOW THAT A RUN ISN'T MAKING IT WE UPDATE AN APP. WE HAD ISSUES OVER THE WEEKEND WITH SOME OF THE GLITCHES THAT WASN'T UPDATING. THE I.T. TEAM IS WORKING ON THAT SO THAT AS WE KNOW THEY'RE POSTED AND SEE ON THE TRANSIT APP. I'VE HEARD CONCERNS ABOUT BACK T BACK MISSED SERVICE. WE HAVE HAD THAT ISSUE. IT IS VERY DIFFICULT WITH THE WAY OUR SCHEDUING IS IN THE MORNING WITH LINE-UPS. SUPERVISORS TO BE ABLE TO SEE WHEN THAT HAPPENS. WE THE PLANNING TO BE ABLE TO NOITATE WHICH THEY NEED TO BE WATCHING FOR TO MAKE SURE WE CAN READJUST TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE THE BACK TO BACK OUT THERE. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE DOING IN THE INTERIM. ON TOP OF THAT, WE ALSO, WORKING WITH THE UNIONS, TO HAVE FLEXIBILITY TO MOVE OUR DRIVERS BETWEEN THE RUNS THEY HAVE TOO. THEY'RE WORKING WITH US OVER THE PAST WEEK TO MAKE SOME OF THE CHANGES. A LITTLE BIT LONGER-TERM, WE'RE WORKING ON INCENTIVES FOR DRIVERS AND FOR VEHICLE MAINTENANCE. AS WELL AS A NEW BID THAT'S GOING TO GO OUT IN AUGUST. AND WE'LL BE TAKING SOME OF THE REDUNDANCIES OUT OF THE CENTRAL CORRIDOR. WE'RE MISSING SOME OF THE RUNS ALREADY. THOSE WILL GET MOVED OFF TO HELP A BIT. WE'VE BEEN DOING OUR PLANNING FOR OUR BIDS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME FOR MANY YEARS. WE ARE LOOKING AT ASSESSING THAT TOO. AND DO GO DIFFERENT RUN CUTS THAT WILL SPREAD THE HOURS ACROSS DRIVERS BETTER. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU YOU DEFINITELY HAVE AN UPHILL BATTLE AND YOU'RE WORKING REALLY HARD AND FIGHTING IT. I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING, AND MR. RAEL, I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU HEAR AS WELL, VERY CLEARLY, I'M VERYING FROM CONSTITUENTS THEY WOULD RATHER NOT SEE A ROUTE POSTED IF THERE IS A LIKELIHOOD THAT IT WILL GET CANCELED RATHER THAN HAVE THE POTENTIAL OF BEING STRANDED, WOULD RATHER KNOW THEY CAN'T COUNT ON IT REGULARLY INSTEAD OF BEING DELAYED BECAUSE THEY SAT THERE THROUGH ONE OR TWO PICK UPS AND IT NEVER SHOWED UP. IT'S FORTUNATE AND I KNOW YOU'RE WORKING REALLY HARD, AND I KNOW THERE'S A STAFFING PROBLEM. BUT PEOPLE WOULD RATHER, IF THEY CAN'T RELY ON THE CITY TO PICK THEM UP WHEN WE SAY THEY'RE GOING TO BE PICKED UP WE WANT TO RELY ON THE CITY TO SAY WE CAN'T PICK THEM UP. I WANT TO MAKE SURE TO PUT PUT THAT TWO CENTS IN. IT'S HAPPENING MORE AND MORE. I SEE YOU HAVE A PLAN, I THINK THIS WOULD BE A BENEFIT. IT SEEMS LIKE CONSTITUENTS WILL UNDERSTAND THAT A LITTLE BIT AS WELL. EVEN THOUGH IT'S DISAPPOINTING FOR EVERYONE. AND MY NEXT QUESTION IS NOT FOR TRANSIT. >>COUN. GROUT: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE DIRECTOR? THANK YOU, DIRECTOR. SDMRN MAD . >>COUN. BASSAN: MY NEXT ONE IS REGARDING THE AUTOMATED SPEED ENFORCEMENT IN ALBUQUERQUE. I DON'T KNOW IF MR. RAEL WANTS TO ANSWER IT OR SOMEONE HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THAT. [ INAUDIBLE ] >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN, I'M GOING TO HAVE HIM TALK ABOUT THIS. HE'S GOT THE INFORMATION. >>COUN. BASSAN: SO, WHAT CAME UP, AND I THINK IT'S A VERY VALID QUESTION. A CONSTITUENT ASKED ME WE'RE SEEING MORE AND MORE OUT OF STATE LICENSE PLATES IN ALBUQUERQUE, WHICH IS PROBABLY A REALLY GOOD THING. WE'VE HAD A LOT OF ECONOMY BOOSTERS AND TOURISTS, BUT THERE'S PEOPLE MOVING AND THEY HAVE ABOUT A YEAR BEFORE THEY ROOT RE-REGISTER VEHICLES. SO, IF SOMEONE MOVED -- THIS IS THE EXAMPLE THAT WAS GIVEN TO ME, IF SOMEONE MOVED HERE FROM CINCINNATI AND THEY GET A TICKET AND THEY HAVEN'T RE-REGISTERED THE VEHICLE AND IT GOES TO CINCINNATI, WHAT HAPPENS TO MAKE SURE THAT PERSON IS ACCOUNTABLE OR NOT? AND HOW IS THAT FAIR FOR ALL OF THE OTHER PEOPLE IN ALBUQUERQUE WHO ARE GETTING CITED AND CAN BE TRACKED DOWN? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR, I'VE GOT TO SAY A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THE QUESTION WE WERE PREPPED FOR TODAY. WE DO ABSOLUTELY SEND CITATIONS TO OUT OF STATE PLATES. I BELIEVE OUR RECORD COUNT RECORD RIGHT NOW IS 15,000 SINCE WE STARTED THE PROGRAM. I WILL HAVE TO FOLLOW UP. THERE'S A COLLECTIONS PROCESS. IF YOU DON'T PAY YOUR CITATION, THERE IS COLLECTIONS PROCESS. YOU DO MAKE A GOOD POINT, IF THEY'RE ACTUALLY RELOCATING TO NEW MEXICO, WHAT HAPPENS IF THAT PLATE DOESN'T GET RE-REGISTERED AND HOW DO WE TRACK THAT? WE CAN FOLLOW UP ON THAT AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY PROCESS IN PLACE TO TRACK THAT PLATE AND THAT OWNER. AT THIS TIME, IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE A FOLLOW UP. I DON'T HAVE A DIRECT ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. IT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION. >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT YES. I THINK THAT'S FINE. IT WAS A REALLY GOOD QUESTION. THAT WAS POSED TO ME. AND AS A PROOPPONENT OF AUTOMATED SPEEZ ENFORCEMENT . >>COUN. BASSAN: I HOPE WE COME UP WITH SOMETHING BECAUSE THIS IS A CONSEQUENCE WE NEED TO LOOK INTO. >> I MAY ONE OTHER THING TO THIS. NEW MEXICO AND THIS IS PART OF MY WORK IN GOVERNMENT, WE HAVE RECIPROCITY TO THE DEPARTMENT OF MOTOR VEHICLE IN TERMS OF HOW THEY REGISTER PLATES. THE PLATES ARE ACTUALLY REGISTERED TO INDIVIDUALS NOT NECESSARILY TO THE VEHICLE. THIS IS WHY WHEN YOU SALE YOUR VEHICLE YOU ARE REQUIRED TO KEEP PLATE. MOST STATES HAVE RECIPROCITY WITH NEW MEXICO. WHICH MEANS THE INDIVIDUALS ARE TRACKED WITH THE PLATE TO THE OWNER OF THE VEHICLE THAT WAS GETTING THE INFRACTION. TO KEVIN'S POINT WITH, IT MAY BE THE COMPANY HAS THE DAA BASE TO TRACK THE INDIVIDUAL. WE'LL FOLLOW UP TO MAKE SURE THAT OCCURS. >>COUN. BASSAN: I WOULD DEFINITELY APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR BENTON. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. I'VE GOT A QUESTION REGARDING THE BIO PARK. FOR CULTURAL SERVICES. OR FOR MR. RAEL. I'LL GET STARTED. MADAM DIRECTOR, WELCOME. I TALK ABOUT THE ADMINISTRATION, THE PRIOR ADMINISTRATION WE DID A BUS PROJECT WHERE WE REBUILT CENTRAL AVENUE FOR 12 MILES. PART OF THAT PROJECT, WE -- PART OF THE DESIGN IS THE FRONTAGE ALONG THE AQUEM -- AQUARIUM SIDE WAS PROVIDED A MEDIAN IN WHICH TO PLANT FRUIT TREES. SINCE IT WAS A CITY FACILITY AT THAT TIME THERE WAS A DISCUSSION WE WOULD GET THEM PLANTED EVENTUALLY AND THEY WOULD BE TAKEN CARE OF WITH THE EXISTING IRRIGATION SYSTEM OF THE BIO PARK AQUARIUM. WHERE DO WE STAND WITH THAT PROJECT? >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR BENTON, WE HAVE COMPLETED A STREET SCAPING PROJECT ALONG THE BIO PARK. THAT EDGE OF CENTRAL ALONG THE PARKING LOT. THAT PROJECT WAS COMPLETED IN MAY. THERE'S STILL SOME TREES THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED THAT DIDN'T TAKE. TOTAL PROJECT COST WAS $220,000. I KNOW COUNCILOR BENTON SET ASIDE ALMOST HALF OF THAT AT $100,000. AT THIS POINT, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE ADDED 23 TREES. FOUR OF WHICH DID NOT TAKE AND NEED TO BE REPLACED. WE'VE ADDED -- I CAN READ YOU MY LONG LIST. WE'VE ADDED ABOUT 80 SHRUBS AND GROUND COVERS. AND ANOTHER -- I'M DOING REALLY FAST MATH. 50 DESERT ACCENTS AND ABOUT 30 DIFFERENT GRASSES ALONG THAT'SE. WE WERE NOT ABLE TO ADD TREES IN THE SMALL GRAVEL SPACE BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE STREETS. ALL OF THE LANDSCAPING THAT HAS BEEN ADDED AND THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO WIDEN THE SIDEWALKS AND EVEN THEM OUT WERE DONE ON BIO PARK PROPERTY SO WE COULD TENGSD THE IRRIGATION. AND THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS SAID NO TO TREES IN THAT SMALL AREA BETWEEN THE STREET AND SIDEWALK BECAUSE IT WAS GOING TO INTERFERE WITH SIGHT LINES FOR PEOPLE THAT WERE COMING OFF OF NEW YORK. AND ALSO IT WOULD NOT HAVE IRRIGATION. THERE WAS NOT A WAY TO EXTEND THE IRRIGATION TO THE PLACE THAT IS GRAVEL. >>COUN. BENTON: I WANT MY $100,000 BACK BECAUSE I HAVE PROJECTS THAT COULD REALLY USE IT. I'VE NEVER HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT CLEAR SIGHT DISTANCE FROM NEW YORK. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT ANALYSIS OF HOW THAT WAS DESIGNED. BECAUSE I MEAN THIS IS THE FIRST I EVER HEARD OF IT. IN FACT, I SAW THE DRAWINGS WERE THEY WERE DESIGNED IN. I APPRECIATE THAT. I RECOGNIZE YOUR TEAM AND CONSULTANTS DID CREATE A DRAWING THAT SHOWED TREES IN THE PARKWAY. PEOPLE CALL IT DIFFERENT WAY. THE PARKWAY BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND CURB. WHICH IS THE PROPER PLACE TO PUT STREET TREES IF POSSIBLE. WE HAD A DISCUSSION WITH THAT IN REGARD TO THE FATALITY. STREET TREES ARE PROVEN AS A TRAFFIC-CALMING DEVICE. I'M SORRY TO HEAR YOUR OWN ENGINEERS SAID WE CANNOT PLACE THEM THERE. I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT ANALYSIS AND WHY THAT WAS. CERTAINLY WAS NOT THE INTENT OF MY CONTRIBUTION TO THE LANDSCAPE PROJECT. ALL KIDDING ASIDE, IT WAS NOT MY INTENT. CAN WE GET THAT -- WE WITH WORK WITH WHOEVER THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS ARE SO WE CAN SEE THE ANALYSIS AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT FROM THE COUNCIL'S SIDE. >> COUNCILOR BENTON, I'M HAPPY TO FOLLOW UP WITH ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. THOSE WERE ALSO SIMILAR RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE LANDSCAPING COMPANY IN TERMS OF THE ABILITY TO THRIVE IN THAT SPACE. I'M HAPPY TO BRING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO YOU. >>COUN. BENTON: OKAY. THAT'S FINE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT. AND YOU KNOW, I WAS NOT INFORMED OF ANY OF THIS. I WAS SHOCKED WHEN I SAW THERE WAS NO WORK BEING DONE IN THAT MEDIAN. TREES ARE PLACED ALL THE TIME. WHOEVER WAS TALKING TO YOU WAS INCORRECT. I'M JUST GOING TO SAY IT RIGHT OUT OF THE BAT. I WANT TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT. BECAUSE IT'S A MISSED OPPORTUNITY AND IF YOU SPENT THE MONEY, YOU KNOW, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SIDEWALK, THEN IT'S MONEY THAT'S BEEN SPENT. BUT FIRST OF ALL, I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN ABOUT IT. SECONDLY, I WOULD NOT HAVE ACCEPTED THAT ANSWER. LET'S SEE THE ANSWERS AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR BENTON, THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. I THINK IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO -- I KNOW IT WAS IMPORTANT TO YOU. I KNOW IT WAS IMPORTANT TO US. THAT FATALITY WAS SOMETHING THAT STREET TREES SHOULD BE SOMETHING -- IT SHOULD BE PART OF THE VISION PROBLEM. THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT. TO CATCH PEOPLE'S ATTENTION. AND SLOW THEM DOWN. I WOULD SAY NOT A PROPONENT OF FAKE TREES, BUT $100,000 WOULD PUT IN A COUPLE FAKE TREES IF THAT WAS THE WORST. THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. I ALSO COULD SEE HOW FRUSTRATED IT WOULD BE -- I SEE HOW YOUR FUNDS WERE SPENT ON SHRUBS. >>COUN. BENTON: IF I MAY? YEAH, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMED LIKE A SMALL DETAIL. IT IS A SMALL DETAIL. WHEN IT COMES TO TRYING TO MAKE OUR MAJOR ROADWAYS FEEL LIKE A PERSON COULD EVEN DARE TO WALK ALONG THEM, ESPECIALLY A PLACE LIKE THAT. THERE'S A BIG, SWEEPING CURVE AND COUNCILOR SANCHEZ HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS AS WELL, IT'S A PLACE THAT INVITES PEOPLE TO THINK THEY'RE AT THE INDE -- INDY 500. IT'S NOT OKAY. THAT SIMPLE FACT, IT'S BEEN PROVEN TO BE A TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICE. WHY WOULDN'T WE WANT TO DO IT IN THAT PLACE? I KNOW WE HAVE A SPEED CAMERA THERE. DECISIONS WERE MADE ABOUT HOW TO PLACE THAT AND SO FORTH. THIS IS WHERE COUNCILOR GROUT AND COUNCILOR SANCHEZ'S BILL DO COME UP. AND IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S NO CONTINUITY. THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT IN THE PRIOR ADMINISTRATION THAT THIS WAS GOING TO GET DONE. AND TO GET IT DONE HERE, I HAD TO PUT UP SOME OF MY OWN VERY SCARCE SET ASIDE MONEY. TO INCENTIIZE IT TO BE DONE. AND HERE WE ARE. NO NOTICE TO ME. NO NOTICE TO THE COUNCIL STAFF WHO COULD HAVE LOOKED AT THE DIAGRAMS OF SUPPOSED CLEAR IGHT ET CETERA. IT'S WHAT CREATES THIS TYPE OF FRUSTRATION BETWEEN THE COUNCIL AND ADMINISTRATION. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. >>COUN. GROUT: COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO COUNCILOR BENTON FOR ACTUALLY DOING THAT. ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID KNOW -- I KNOW I ASKED EARLY ON FOR TRAFFIC CALMING AND FOR SIGNS AND I ASKED FOR THE SPEED CAMERA. AND BASICALLY, WE'VE SEEN A LOT LESS SPEEDING IN THAT AREA. I DRIVE BY IT QUITE OFTEN. MY OFFICE IS ON CENTRAL. I COME DOWN CENTRAL TO COME HERE. I GO BACK AND FORTH FROM CITY HALL. I NOTICED IT HAS MELLOWED A LOT COMPARED TO WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S CARRYING ON OVER AS WE ACROSS THE RIVER BRIDGE. I'VE NOTICED THE TRAFFIC HAS BEEN A LOT CALMER THERE AS WELL. ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO FURTHER ANY TYPE OF TRAFFIC CALMING IN THAT AREA IS GOING TO BE VERY, VERY HELPFUL TO THE CITIZENS. I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE THINGS GOING ON AT THE ZOO AND BIO PARK. I KNOW THE SUMMER IS GOING TO BE HERE IN FULL SWING PRETTY QUICK. ALREADY, THE AREAS CROSSING BACK AND FORTH WHERE DO SEE PEOPLE USING THAT INTERSECTION. THAT'S THE MAIN INTERSECTION THEY USE IS NEW YORK AND CENTRAL. IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT WE CONTINUE TO WORK ON THAT AREA AND MAKE IT BETTER, MAKE IT SAFER FOR THE CITIZENS BECAUSE EVERYONE GOES THERE. EVERYBODY IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE EVENTUALLY MAKES IT TO THE ZOO OR BIO PARK. THOSE ARE OUR STAPLES. AND LOT OF CITY EMPLOYEES, WE GET TO CHECK THAT PLACE OUT ONCE A YEAR. IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO MAKE SURE WE MAINTAIN THE SAFETY AND SECURITY. SO ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU CAN DO THAT SEEMS IT'S GOING TO BE APPROPRIATE, I ASK THE ADMINISTRATION TO COME UP WITH MORE IDEAS TO HELP US IMPROVE THAT AREA. THANK YOU. >>COUN. GROUT: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS COUNCILORS? >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I HAVE A QUESTION ON ANOTHER MATTER. THIS ONE WAS FOR PLANNING. DO WE HAVE PLANNING AM ANYBODY FROM PLANNING? >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I'VE MADE SEVERAL CALLS TO MR. VARELA IN REFERENCE TO A SPECIFIC PROJECT. THE SPECIFIC PROJECT I'M LOOKING AT -- GIVE ME ONE SECOND. I CAN GIVE YOU THE NUMBER. THE PROJECT NUMBER. THIS PROJECT IS FOR A REBUILD, AND GUESS THEY'RE READY TO TEAR DOWN AND RE-ESTABLISH THE BOB'S BURGERS AT EUBANK NORTHEAST. 87123. THE NUMBER IS BP-202300459. AND THE OWNER OF BOB'S BURGERS WAS A LOCAL BUSINESS WHO IS TRYING TO FURTHER BETTER BUSINESS AND PUT PEOPLE TO WORK AND RE-ESTABLISH THAT BUSINESS. WE BUILD THE BUSINESS. HE'S BEEN WAITING FOR 18 MONTHS FOR HIS BUILDING PERMIT TO BE APPROVED. AND LIKE HE SAID, I GOT CRICKETS. I DIALLED AND TEXTED MR. VARELA AND EMAILS AND WE'VE GOT NOTHING. CAN YOU AT THIS POINT GIVE ME SOMETHING IN REFERENCE TO WHAT'S GOING ON AT 305 EUBANK? AND WHY THAT HAS TAKEN OVER 18 MONTHS? >> MR. PRESIDEN -- MR. PRESIDENT, I DO NOT HAVE THE ANSWER AT THIS POINT. IF I PASS DOWN MY BUSINESS CARD I'LL HAVE THAT FOR YOU FIRST THING IN THE MORNING SO WE CAN LOOK INTO THE PERMIT PROCESS AND SEE WHERE THE DELAYS ARE COMING FROM. AT THAT POINT ONCE I GET THE INFORMATION I CAN TAKE A LOOK IN THE BACK END SYSTEM AND DETERMINE WHERE IT'S AT. AS FOR THE LONGEVITY I'M NOT SURE WHY THE PERMIT IS TAKING SO LONG. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THE BIGGEST CONCERN TO ME, MADP -- MR. PRESIDENT, IS THE FACT WE MAKE INQUIRIES TO THE CITY DIRECTORS AND FOR THEM TO BE FALLEN ON DAEF EARS WHEN THE CITY COUNCIL IS ASKING IS UNACCEPTABLE. IT SHOULDN'T HAPPEN. WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET THOSE ANSWERS OR EVEN A CALL BACK. AND FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON. YET, THIS ADMINISTRATION IN CERTAIN AREAS, DON'T DO WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO. AND WE SHOULDN'T BE IGNORED. WE'RE PART OF THIS CITY. WE'RE PART OF THE GOVERNMENT. WE'RE HERE TO HELP GROW AND BETTER THIS CITY. IF WE'RE IGNORED, THEN WHAT HAPPENS? NOTHING GETS DONE. ALL I'M ASKING IS WE GET THIS DONE. MR. BARELA HAS MR. SALAS INFORMATION. HE'S THE ONE THAT NEEDS TO BE CONTACTED. IF YOU LIKE, CALL ME TOMORROW AND I'LL GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION SO WE CAN GET AN ANSWER FOR HIM. THANK YOU. >>COUN. GROUT: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >>COUN. PEÑA: JUST TO PIGGY BACK ON THAT. I KNOW I SPOKE WITH DIRECTOR VARELA AND HE'S ACTUALLY RESPONDED. SIMILAR ISSUES, I HAD AN McDONALD'S WAITING FOR THE PLAN REVIEW. AND A LOCAL NELSON'S MEAT MARKET. I GET A RESPONSE, BUT HEARING COUNCILOR SANCHEZ TALK ABOUT THAT, IT'S CONCERNING WHERE WE HAVE MAJOR BUSINESSES IN THE COMMUNITY WAITING ON PLANS SO THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD TO GET THEIR DOORS OPENED. HE DID RESPOND AND I APPRECIATE HIS RESPONSE. I THINK HE'S WORKING ON IT. THANK YOU. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, IF I MIGHT JUST SAY, UNFORTUNATELY HE'S OUT ON A FAMILY MEDICAL ISSUE. NOT HERE TONIGHT. I WILL MAKE SURE WE HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE DIRECTOR. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, YOU'RE CORRECT, A COUNCILOR CALLING A DEPARTMENT HEAD TO INQUIRE ABOUT AN ISSUE IS TO BE A PRIORITY FOR THAT DEPARTMENT HEAD TO GET THAT INFORMATION TO YOU IN A TIMELY MANNER. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ISSUES AND CIRCUMSTANCES ARE ON YOUR CASE WITH THE BOB'S BURGERS AND COUNCILOR PEÑA AS WELL. I WILL MAKE SURE WE HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. >> IF I CAN MAKE ONE FINAL STATEMENT, I CAN ATTEST TO DIRECTOR VARELA OVERWHELMED INMERIC -- MAKING SURE WE RESPOND TO MEMBERS OFFENSE COUNCIL. I'M NOT I DON'T KNOW WHY IT HAD BEEN MISSED. WE'LL GET IT ADDRESSED AND GET YOU THE ANSWERS. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. I HAVE JUST A FEW QUESTIONS. FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF TECHNOLOGY AND INNOVATION. HI DIRECTOR. ABOUT A YEAR AGO I INQUIRED ABOUT THE 311 SYSTEM. I TRIED REPORTING GRAFFITI OR TRASH OR WHATEVER. AND THEY'LL RESPOND. EITHER ON THE APP OR BY PHONE CALL. THEY'LL GET AN EMAIL. AND WE'LL GET AN EMAIL ALMOST IMMEDIATELY THAT SAYS CASE CLOSED. WE KNOW THE GRAFFITI IS STILL THERE AND THE PROBLEM IS STILL THERE. WHAT WE'VE LEARNED IS THAT THE -- IT HAS BEEN FORWARDED TO THE RIGHT DEPARTMENT. IT'S NOT CLOSED. IT'S JUST BEEN FORWARDED. WE NEED TO HAVE A BETTER WAY OF COMMUNICAING TO OUR CONSTITUENTS WHAT WE'RE DOING. BECAUSE MOST RECENTLY OVER THE WEEKEND, THERE WAS A PUPPY THAT WAS HIT. AND IT WAS LAYING ON THE GROUND FOR THREE DAYS. AND WE GOT LOTS OF EMAILS, LOTS OF PHONE CALLS, THAT CASE WAS CLOSED. WE KNOW IT WAS NOT. THAT IS JUST AN EXAMPLE. HOW CAN WE BETTER OUR SYSTEM SO THAT WE CAN COMMUNICATE BETTER WITH OUR CONSTITUENTS? >> MR. PRESIDENT, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. THIS IS A REALLY GOOD TOPICING. AS YOU KNOW WE'VE GOT A VERY ACTIVE AND RESPECTED 311 CENTER. IT PROCESSES SOMETHING LIKE 85,000 CALLS A MONTH. THEY'RE ONE OF THE BEST IN THE COUNTRY. I WANT TO PAY TRIBUTE TO THOSE PEOPLE FOR THE WORK THEY DO. YOU'RE QUITE RIGHT THERE'S AN ELEMENT OF COMPLEXITY WHEN WE DEAL WITH A CALL THAT'S CLOSED VERSUS RESOLVED. THE GOOD NEWS IS WE'RE ACTUALLY MAKING CHANGES TO THE WAY WE DO THAT. WE'RE GOING TO BE ADDING MORE DEFINED CASE STATUS INFORMATION SO THE IDEA WOULD BE THAT WHOEVER CALLS CAN SELECT FROM THE DROP-DOWN OPTIONS. THAT WOULD BE WHETHER OR NOT THE CALL IS CLOSED OR NOT. WE'LL CONTINUE TO KEEP THAT UPDATED AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. IN THIS INSTANCE WE WILL CONTINUE TO PROVIDE UPDATES. IF THE RESIDENT PROVIDES EMAIL THEY'LL CONTINUE TO RECEIVE UPDATES ON THE CASE. AND THOSE CONSTITUENTS ARE ALWAYS WELCOME TO CALL 311 FOR MORE INFORMATION. >>COUN. GROUT: DID YOU SEND INFORMATION TO MY OFFICE? >> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, SIR. AND I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR PIERCE IN FAMILY AND COMMUNITY SERVICES. IS SHE ONLINE? SHE'S ON ZOOM? OKAY GOOD. DIRECTOR PIERCE, GOOD EVENING. HELLO. I WANTED TO KNOW IF YOU CAN GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THE STATUS OF THE GIBSON HEALTH HUB. SPECIFICALLY, THOSE PROMISED SERVICES OF MEDICAL RESPITE, THE FIRST RESPONDERS RECEIVING AREA AND THE SOBERING CENTER. ARE THEY READY TO OPEN? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. SO, AT OUR GATEWAY, THE OVERNIGHT SHELTER WE'RE DELAYED A LITTLE BIT FOR ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES AND SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES. WE ANTICIPATE IN JULY THAT'S WHEN THE PEOPLE THAT WE'RE SERVING OVERNIGHT WILL BE IN THE SECOND FLOOR. WE HAVE THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS FOR MEDICAL SOBERING. AND SO THAT WILL BEGIN HERE THIS SUMMER. WE HAVE THE CONTRACTOR, WE HAVE -- AND MEDICAL SOBERING UNIT WILL BE ABOUT 50 BEDS. AS A REMINDER TO EVERYBODY, THAT IS A 24-HOUR OPERATION. AND THAT IS WHERE PEOPLE -- WE THINK MAJOR CUSTOMER WILL BE ALBUQUERQUE FIRE AND RESCUE THAT CAN TAKE PEOPLE THERE THAT MAY BE DOWN AND OUT. WE ANTICIPATE WE'LL SERVE THOSE PEOPLE 24 HOUR. THE MEDICAL RESPITE IS ALSO A 50-BED UNIT. THAT WILL BEGIN A LITTLE LATER. WE CAN'T HAVE DON'T HAVE THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS FOR THAT YET. DID THAT ANSWER ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS? >>COUN. GROUT: VERY GOOD, THANK YOU. YOU SAID THE OVERNIGHT SHELTER IS GOING TO OPEN IN JULY? WHEN APPROXIMATELY IN JULY? >> WE DO HAVE WOMEN THAT ARE STAYING THERE NOW THAT WERE PART OF OUR URGENCY OVERNIGHT OPERATION. THE PROGRAMMING FOR GATEWAY THAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR SOME TIME THAT WE'RE VERY PROUD , THE 90 DAY PROGRAM IS WRAP AROUND SERVICES, THAT HAS BEGUN. AND THEY'RE NOT IN THE LOCATION THAT IS RENOVATED. WE ANTICIPATE THAT TO BE DONE IN JULY. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. I WANTED TO ASK YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SHELTER BEDS IN BERNALILLO COUNTY AND IN THE CITY. DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY THERE ARE? HOW MANY SHELTER BEDS WE HAVE? >> ROUGHLY, I WANT TO SAY -- AND I CAN GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT, I THINK THEY HAVE LESS THAN 1700. IF YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THE NON-PROFIT SHELTERS THAT EXIST, IT INCLUDES THE SHELTER THERE -- I CAN GET BACK TO YOU. >>COUN. GROUT: HOW MANY DO WE HAVE AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW THAT -- HOW MANY BEDS ARE AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW? >> I CAN GIVE YOU OVERALL IN THE COMMUNITY. >>COUN. GROUT: SOMEBODY WANTS A BED, HOW MANY ARE AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW? >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, I CAN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY HOW MANY ARE AVAILABLE RIGHT AT THIS MOMENT? I CAN TELL YOU WE DO HAVE BEDS AVAILABLE AT THE WEST SIDE EMERGENCY HOUSING CENTER FOR MEN, WOMEN, AND COUPLES. >>COUN. GROUT: HOW MANY BEHAVIORAL HEALTH FACILITIES ARE THERE IN BERNALILLO COUNTY? >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR GROUT, I WILL HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT. I'M NOT PREPARED TO ANSWER THAT. >>COUN. GROUT: DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY BEDS MIGHT BE AVAILABLE -- OR SPACES AVAILABLE? THE REASON I'M ASKING THESE QUESTIONS IS I BELIEVE WE SHOULD KNOW. WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH ALL OF THE SERVICES IN OUR COMMUNITY, THE COUNTY, THE CITY, EVEN THE STATE, WE SHOULD HAVE A DATABASE THAT WE CAN ALL PLUG INTO, NON-PROFITS, THE CITY, THE STATE, THE COUNTY, AND WHEN ACS FINDS SOMEBODY READY TO GO TO A BED TO RECEIVE HELP, THEY HAVE A PLACE TO GO. WE DON'T HAVE A MECHANISM OF COMMUNICATION WHERE INFORMATION IS INPUTTED TO HELP THAT. SO, HOW DO WE KNOW HOW MANY BEDS THAT WE NEED? HOW MANY MORE FACILITIES DO WE NEED? IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT COLLECTIVE DATA, THEN WE'RE MISSING SOMETHING. AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE WORKING WITH OUR -- WITH THE COUNTY, WITH THE STATE, AND COME UP WITH A PROGRAM WHERE WE DO HAVE THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE SO THAT ACS, FAMILY AND COMMUNITY, APD, EVERYBODY ALL THE NON-PROFITS, CAN GO TO THE SOMETHING LOCAL AND WE CAN HELP GET THESE PEOPLE SERVICES. WE CAN GET THEM A BED. WE CAN GET THEM BE -- BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SERVICES. I THINK WE NEED TO BE COMMUNICAING BETTER. I WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW UP WITH YOU LATER AND MAYBE WE CAN -- WE NEED TO WORK ON THIS. WE CAN DO BETTER. >>COUN. LEWIS: ONE OF THE -- I'VE ASKED THAT QUESTION IN DIFFERENT WAYS. I THINK THE ONLY WAY TO ASK IT WHERE YOU GET THE -- WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IS HOW -- ON A GIVEN NIGHT, HOW MANY UNUSED BEDS -- LAST NIGHT, HOW MANY BEDS ARE AVAILABLE AND THEY'LL SAY 1700. AND THEN HOW MANY WERE USED LAST NIGHT. AND USUALLY THE ANSWER IS AROUND 400. THAT'S A KEY PART OF THE DATA AND FOR SOME REASON, LIKE YOU CAN ASK THAT QUESTION AND EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, BUT FOR SOME REASON WE DON'T GET THAT ANSWER. THAT'S THE OBVIOUS QUESTION WE'RE ASKING BECAUSE THAT IS CRITICAL WHEN WE'RE COORDINAING GROUPS AND COORDINAING EFFORTS TO BE ABLE TO HELP PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO FIND A PLACE TO STAY ON A GIVEN NIGHT THAT NEEDS HELP. IF THE DIRECTOR WOULD -- I THINK JUST MAKE THAT A TOP PIECE OF DATA THAT WE'RE RESEARCHING THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER, THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, OF AVAILABLE UNUSED BEDS ON ANY GIVEN NIGHT IN ALL OF THE SHELTERS AND GROUPS WE'RE USING SO WE CAN MATCH PEOPLE UP WITH PLACES TO STAY. >>COUN. GROUT: YES, SIR. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, I JUST WANT TO SAY I TOOK A TOUR ON FEBRUARY 3rd AND I WAS TOLD WE WOULD HAVE MORE THAN JUST THE ROUGHLY 50 BEDS OR WHATEVER. WE WOULD HAVE MORE MEDICAL RESPITE MODEICAL SOBERING. I WAS NOT UNDER THAT IMPRESSION. I'M GOING TO -- I AM HIGHLY FRUSTRATED THAT WE KEEP SEEMINGLY KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD. FUNNELING MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. OPEN IT ALREADY, PLEASE. >>COUN. GROUT: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, DIRECTOR. APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. OKAY, NO MORE QUESTIONS. LET'S MOVE TO THE JOURNAL. I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE JUNE 5th JOURNAL. WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OKAY. UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. WELL DONE. WE ARE MOVING TO COMMUNICATIONS AND INTRODUCTIONS. ARE THERE ANY CHANGES TO THE LETTER OF INTRODUCTION? THIS BEING OUR LAST MEETING BEFORE JULY BREAK THERE'S SEVERAL. I'LL MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR PLACING EC313 ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA FOR ACTION. THAT IS THE MAYOR'S APPOINTMENT OF -- TO THE LODGERS TAX ADVISORY BOARD. WE NEED A VOTE ON THE RULES SUSPENSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT MATTER CARRIES -- WE DID HAVE A SECOND. I ALSO MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR PLACING EC314 ON THE AGENDA. IT'S THE MAYOR'S RECOMMENDATION FOR INTERIOR INCORPORATE FOR THE LANDFILL MAINTENANCE AND MONITORING. SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT MATTER CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. I ALSO MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR PLACING 310 ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. THAT IS THE MAYORSROOM -- RECOMMENDATION FOR PUERTO GOLF SERVICES. SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND FOR THE CLERK. I'M SORRY, COUNCILOR BASSAN. YES. I GOT AHEAD OF US. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. MR. PRESIDENT, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, THIS IS JUST FOR PUERTA DEL SOL? >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. THAT MATTER CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR PLACING R-145. THAT RESOLUTIONS AUTHORIZES THE FILING OF A GRANT APPLICATION FOR CHOICE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING GRANT WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF URBAN HOUSING AND DEVELOPMENT FOR FY23 THROUGH 24. IS THERE A SECOND? COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. SEVERAL OTHERS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND FOR THE CLERK. THAT MATTER IS UNANIMOUS. COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR THE PURPOSE OF PLACING R-146 ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. IT'S CONCERNING A BOND ELECTION TO BE HELD IN THE CITY AT THE NEXT REGULAR LOCAL ELECTION ON NOVEMBER 7, 2023. SUBMITTING TO A VOTE OF THE QUALIFIED ELECTORS FOR AUTHORIZING THE ISSANCE OF GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS AND PROVIING THE FORM OF THE BOND QUESTIONS PRESCRIBING OTHER DETAILS AND CONNECTION WITH SUCH BOND ELECTION AND BONDS. AND RATIFYING ACTION PREVIOUSLY TAKEN. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT MATTER CAACY UNANIMOUSLY. COUNCILOR BENTON. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR THE PLACING R-147 ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. IT'S APPROVING AND AUTHORIING THE FILING OF A GRANT APPLICATION FOR AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN FUNDING WITH WITH THE FEDERAL TRANSIT ADMINISTRATION OF THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION BY THE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND FOR THE CLERK. THAT MATTER CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. ANY OTHER CHANGES TO THE LETTER OF INTRODUCTION? SEEING NONE. >>COUN. GROUT: I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE LETTER OF INTRODUCTION. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT MATTER CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU, COUNCILORS. WE'LL MOVE TO REPORTS OF COMMITTEES. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THE FINANCE AND GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS COMMITTEE MET ON MONDAY JUNE 12 AND REPORTS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS. IN THE MATTER OF R-132, 133, 135, DO PASS AND BE ACTED UPON AT THE MEETING RECORDED. IN THE MATTER OF R-134, THAT IT DUE PASS AS AMENDED AND BE ACTED UPON IN THE MEETING WHICH IT IS REPORTED. MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE COMMITTEE REPORTS. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'LL TAKE COUNCILOR GROUT'S SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT MATTER CARRIES 9-0. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THE LAND USE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE MET WEANS JUNE 14 AND REPORTS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS. IN THE MATTER OF R-113 DO PASS AS AMENDED. I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE COMMITTEE REPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'LL TAKE COUNCILOR BASSAN. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT CARRIES WITH 8 AND ONE EXCUSED. ANY DEFERRALS OR WITHDRAWALS? SEEING NONE. ARE THERE ANY CHANGES TO TONIGHT'S CONSENT AGENDA? I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE FROM BOARDS OF COMMISSIONS WHO HAVE MADE IT THROUGH THE PROCESS AND BEING RECOMMENDED OR NOMINATED TO SERVE. WE APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE TO THE ICITY. WE HOPE TO SEE YOU BACK HERE TELLING US ABOUT YOUR GOOD WORK SOMETIME SOON. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. NO DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT MATTER CARRIES WITH 8 PRESENT, ONE EXCUSED. NO ANNOUNCEMENTS OR FINANCIAL INSTRUMENTS. THAT TAKES US TO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. WE HAVE LONG LIST OF PUBLIC COMMENT. WE WANT TO GIVE EVERYBODY THEIR OPPORTUNITY. AND WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO TAKE A JOINT POWERS AGREEMENT WITH BERNALILLO COUNTY. TO REPORT OUT THE NEWS FROM THE COUNTY COMMISSION. WE'LL TRY TO ALLOW HER TO DO THAT AND HAD COUNCIL WITH WILL TAKE NORMAL DINNER BREAK AND WE'LL TAKE CARE OF ALL OF OUR OTHER ITEMS. IF YOU'RE HERE FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, WE'LL BE WITH YOU AFTER. AS A REMINDER, THERE'S A FEW RULES FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, EACH PARTICIPANT HAS TWO MINUTES TO PRESENT. COMMENTS MUST BE ADDRESSED ONLY THROUGH THE PRESIDENT AND ANY DISRUPTIVE COMMENT DETERMINED BY THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT WILL RESULT IN REMOVAL. THERE'S TWO MINUTE TIME LIMIT. IF YOU'RE WITH US THERE'S A BILL ONLINE THERE'S A TIMER. AND YOU'LL ALSO GET A NOTICE. YOU'LL SEE HOW THAT WORKS. I THINK OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS SENAOR BILL TALMAN. I SEE HIM HERE. SENATOR, COME ON DOWN. YOU'RE FIRST UP ON PUBLIC COMMENT. AND WE CAN CALL OUR NEXT SPEAKERS. >> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK THIS EVENING. ABOUT THE CITY MANAGEMENT. I WAS A CITY MANAGER FOR 35 YEARS. I LOVED IT. I HAD TO DO IT OVER AGAIN I'D DO IT AGAIN. IT WAS EXCITING. IT WAS CHALLENGING. I FELT I WAS MAKING A DIFFERENCE. DEALT WITH EVERYTHING FROM A TO Z. FROM AIRPORTS TO ZOOS. ONE CITY WE HAD A ZOO AND HAD AN UNFORTUNATE INCIDENT THAT MADE THE NEW YORK TIMES. WHEN I RAN FOR SENATE MY OPPONENT PICKED UP ON THAT ARTICLE AND SENT OUT A MAILER SAYING BILL PULLMAN KILLED BAMBI. AND PEOPLE WOULD SAY DID YOU REALLY DO THAT? PEOPLE BELIEVE THESE OUTRAGEOUS CLAIMS. ALSO, QUICK PLUG IN FOR $600,000 I GAVE THE CITY THIS YEAR FOR THE STUDY THE FEASIBILITY OF A DOWNTOWN MULTI-PURPOSE ARENA. SOMETHING WE DON'T HAVE. WHEN I WAS IN ILLINOIS ONE OF THE MOST EXCITING PUBLIC WORKS PROJECT WAS CONSTRUCTING A 12,000 SEAT MULTI-PURPOSE ARENA. AND WE NEVER PROMISED THE TAXPAYERS IT WOULD OPERATE IN THE BLACK. WHICH IT DID. YOU GOT A MILLION PEOPLE WITHIN 50 MILES OF DOWNTOWN ALBUQUERQUE. I'VE DONE ARESEARCH AND I CAN'T FIND ANOTHER CITY WITH A MILLION PEOPLE THAT DOESN'T HAVE ONE OF THE FACILITIES. IT'S BADLY NEEDED. MAYOR CHAVEZ TRIED TO GET THIS THROUGH. HE COULDN'T. IT WASN'T FOR LACK OF TRYING. BUT, HE WAS UNSUCCESSFUL. A LOT OF CITIES -- YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE MAJOR CITIES IN THE SOUTHWEST HAVE A CITY MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT. FOUR OF THE FIVE LARGEST CITIES IN TEXAS HAVE A CITY MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT. MY TIME IS UP. >>COUN. DAVIS: FINISH YOUR THOUGHT. >> SO, MY FIRST JOB IN CITY MANAGEMENT WAS THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. 1971. BEFORE SOME OF YOU WERE BORN. THEY WERE LOOKING FOR A COUPLE OF FOLKS WITH DEGREES AND NO EXPERIENCE. AND THAT WAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS 48% OF PEOPLE WITH OVER THAT POPULATION HAVE IT THE CITY MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT. 62% WITH CITIES WITH A 100,000 MORE HAVE CITY MANAGER. THAT'S ALMOST TWO-THIRDS WITH CITIES WITH THIS FORM OF GOVERNMENT. THE TWO LARGEST CITIES IN ARIZONA, TUCSON AND PHOENIX HAS A CITY MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT. THE TWO LARGEST CITIES IN NEVADA, THEY HAVE A CITY MANAGER FORM. THE LARGEST CITY IN OKLAHOMA, OKLAHOMA CITY HAS A CITY MANAGERFORM OF GOVERNMENT. SO, THE BENEFITS, THERE'S A LOT OF BENEFITS. STUDY AFTER STUDY SHOWS THE CITIES WITH CITY MANAGER GOVERN MORE EFICIENT. >> WRAP IT UP? >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THEY SPEND LESS MONEY BECAUSE THEY'RE MORE EFFICIENT. THEY HAVE BETTER PROGRAMMING. AND OBVIOUSLY MORE APT TO HIRE PROFESSIONALS. NOW THE CITY MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT WITH EXPERIENCED CITY MANAGER WITH A PROVEN TRACK RECORD YOU WOULDN'T HIRE 200 OR 300 UNCLASSIFIED PEOPLE WITH NO JOB DESCRIPTION WHICH HAPPENED IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. AND IT PROVIDES MORE INFLUENCE FOR THE CITY COUNCIL. IT'S MORE DEMOCRATIC. WITH THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL SHARE IN THE POLICY-MAKING AND ADMINISTRATIVE OF THE CITY. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. I APOLOGIZE. THANK YOU. WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE IT. I DON'T WANT TO CUT YOU OFF. >> ONE MORE QUICK SENTENCE. YOU'RE THROWING ME OUT? I STILL LIKE YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. THONG SENATOR. >>COUN. DAVIS: IF HE CALLS YOUR NAME, WE'LL ASK YOU TO COME TO THE FRONT DECK. >> OUR SECOND SPECKER IS JANE FOLLOWED BY TODD. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, ACCORD TO THE CITY DOCUMENTS THE CITY'S ZONING POWER IS ESTABLISHED BY THE CITY CHARTER ALLOWS THE CITY TO ADOPT NEW REGULATORY STRUCTURES AND PROCESSES TO IMPLEMENT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. ACCORDING TO WEBSTER IMPLEMENT MEANS CARRY OUT OR ACCOMPLISH. YET LEGISLATION BEFORE YOU TONIGHT SEEKS TO REWRITE THE PLAN CHANING WHAT IS DESCRIBED IN POLICY 5.6.3 AREAS OF CONSISTENCY WHICH PROTECT AND ENHANCE THE CHARACTER OF EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS TO AN AREA OF CHANGE. REWRITING OUR ZONING IS WHAT THE STATED INTENT THAT ACCOMPANIED THIS ORDINANCE. THESE AMENDMENTS WOULD REPLACE THE R1 ZONE DISTRICT WITH RT ZONING AND ASSOCIATED STANDARDS. VERY LITTLE HAS BEEN TRANSPARENT ABOUT THE HANDLING OF THE ANNUAL REVIEW EXCEPT THE HANDLING OF COMMERCIAL EXPENSE OF PROPERTY OWNERS AND THE -- FUNDAMENTAL REVISIONS DON'T BELONG IN THE IDO ANNUAL REVIEW. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> MR.CLERK, PLEASE HANG UNTIL WE GET TO THE ZOOM SPEAKERS? I APOLOGIZE. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IN HOUSE IS JOSHUA FOLLOWED BY LAURA. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. AS YOU MET ME BEFORE, PROBABLY. I'M A PROPERTY MANAGER. I'M A RENTER. I AM A FATHER OF TWO. AND CITIZEN OF ALBUQUERQUE. I RENT PROPERTIES AND PROVIDE HOUSING TO PEOPLE EVERY SINGLE DAY AS MY NORMAL LINE OF WORK. AND WHAT I KNOW IS WE NEED MORE OF EVERY KIND. EVERY KIND. THAT'S LOW INCOME AND HIGH INCOME. SO, I URGE YOU TO VOTE YES ON OUR IDO CHANGES BECAUSE WE NEED MORE OF EVERYTHING. AND I THINK THERE ARE SMART WAYS TO LOOK AT THIS AND WE'VE SPEED IT UP. THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR WORK. >> LAURA FOLLOWED BY NINA. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. I'M HERE TO MAKE THREE VERY QUICK POINTS. THE FIRST ONE IS A THANK YOU TO EACH OF YOU BECAUSE PENTAGON WHISTLE BALTIMORE DANIEL AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR PROCLAIMING APRIL 24th TO 30th DANIEL'S WEEK IN HIS HONOR. HE WAS COURAGEOUS MAN WHO SPOKE TRUTH TO POWER. NUMBER TWO, OUR BUSES AND PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION -- AS THE CITY ADMINISTRATION AND COUNCIL GRAPPLE WITH THE CHALLENGES IN OUR CITY BUS SYSTEMS I MAKE ONE SIMPLE REQUEST, EACH OF YOU INCLUING THE MAYOR, LEAVE YOUR CARS IN THE DRIVE WAY FOR A WEEK AND INSTEAD RELY ON THE BUS SYSTEM FOR ALL OF OUR DAILY TRIPS TO WORK, TO SHOP, TO DOCTOR APPOINTMENTS. A WEEK ON THE BUS WILL GIVE YOU MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT WORKS AND WHAT DOESN'T WORK THAN ANY OTHER CONSULTANT STUDY. IT HELPS YOU EMPS THE WITH YOUR THE THIRD THING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I SPOKE AT YOUR LAST MEETING IN FAVOR OF THE IDO AMENDMENT O-22-54. AND I ASK YOU AGAIN TO PASS THEM. TONIGHT, I'M ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER THE THINGS YOU'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THIS EVENING. IMAGINE 5,000-PLUS PEOPLE UNHOUSED PEOPLE SITTING BEHIND ME WHO ARE ACTUALLY OUT ON THE STREETS TONIGHT UNHOUSED. IMAGINE WE'RE SITTING BACK HERE OR IMAGINE THE SEATS BEHIND ME ARE FILLED WITH THOUSANDS OF ALBUQUERQUE RENTERS WHO ARE BEING SQUEEZED WITH RAPIDLY RISING RENTS AND FACING EVICTIONS. ALBUQUERQUE BADLY NEEDS MORE HOUSING. THIS ISN'T A MAGIC BULLET AND NO ONE BELIEVES IT WILL SOLVE THE HOUSING CRISIS, I BELIEVE IT'S AN IMPORTANT STEP IN PROVIING OPPORTUNITIES FOR A GREATER DIVERSITY OF HOUSING STOCK. THANK YOU. NIN >> I'M HERE IN PRESENT -- AS PASTOR OF NEW HOPE CHURCH. MEMBER OF THE HOUSING STEERING COMMITTEE OF THE OFFICE OF BLACK COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT MANAGER FOR HOME LINE. I WANTED TO OFFER OUR ENDORSEMENT AND SUPPORT FOR ALBUQUERQUE HOUSING FORWARD. THIS INITIATIVE WOULD HELP REMOVE BARRIERS TO THE CONSTRICTION AND RENOVATION OF MORE DIVERSE TYPES OF HOUSING CRITICAL TO ACCOMMODATING THE NEEDS OF VARIOUS POPULATIONS OF OUR PEOPLE. ONE EXAMPLE IS HOME WISE ACQUIRED A PROPERTY WITH TWO LOTS. OUR GOAL WAS TO CREATE TWO SINGLE DETACHED HOMES THAT WERE AFFORDABLE AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WERE AGAINST THIS EVEN THOUGH 63% OF THE HOUSING IS SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED. WITH THE PASSING OF ALBUQUERQUE HOUSING FORWARD INITIATIVE THERE WOULD BE MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO LEARN ABOUT THE VALUE OF INCREASED DENSITY AND DEVELOPERS WOULD HAVE A GREATER OPPORTUNITY TO MEET THE GROWING DEMAND FOR HOUSING. THIS INITIATIVE CAN ALSO BE DONE IN A CULTURELY SENSITIVE WAY THAT RESPECTS AND SUPPORTS ALL POPULATION INCLUING COMMUNITIES OF COLOR THAT EXPERIENCE HIGHER LEVELS OF INEQUITY AND ACCESS TO HOUSING AND IN GENERAL TO HOMEOWNERSHIP. DURING THE PANDEMIC ALL OF THE CHURCH MEMBERS WHO WERE RENTERS EXPERIENCED SIGNIFICANT RENTAL INCREASE AND THOSE INDIVIDUALS WERE ALREADY EXPERIENING COST BURDEN. THERE'S A NEED TO SPUR ACCESS TO CONSTRUCTION OF NEW HOUSING FOR ALL SEGMENTS OF THE HOUSING MARKET AND CERTAINLY THOSE WHO ARE HOMEOWNERS WOULD GREATLY BENEFIT FROM ZONING CHANGES THAT PERMIT THINGS LIKE ADU TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INCOME TO PROPERTY OWNERS AND PRAUPGZS FOR THOSE ADULT CHILDREN EXPERIENCING DIFFICULTY AND ACCESSING THE HOUSING MARKET. IN CLOSING, WE JOINTLY URGE YOUR PASSAGE OF ALBUQUERQUE HOUSING FORWARD INITIATIVE. THANK YOU. >> LESLIE FOLLOWED BY PATRICIA. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBERS. HAPPY SOLSTICE. I MOVED BACK TO ALBUQUERQUE FROM AUSTIN, TEXAS RIGHT BEFORE THE PANDEMIC. I BOUGHT A HOUSE IN THE SOUTHEAST HEIGHTS BECAUSE I VALUE ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD, WALKABILITY AND KNOWING MY NEIGHBORS. I STAYED IN AUSTIN, I NEVER WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO AFFORD THE HOUSE WITH THE SIZE OF LOT THAT I BOUGHT HERE. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN TWICE AS MUCH IF NOT MORE. WHY DO I BRING THIS UP? ALBUQUERQUE FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF LOT OF OTHER PLACE IS AFFORDABLE. IT'S VERY AFFORDABLE IF YOU'RE COMING FROM CALIFORNIA OR NEW YORK. IF CITY COUNCIL DOESN'T PUT ACTUAL AFFORDABILITY PROVISIONS, WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS CREAING MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR PEOPLE THAT DON'T LIVE HERE. PEOPLE THAT WALK -- REMOTE WORKERS ARE HERE TO STAY. AND MANY LOOK FOR LOWER COST PLACES TO LIVE. AS SUCH, HOUSING FORWARD WILL ONLY CREATE MARKET RATE HOUSING. IT'S NOT GOING TO SERVE THE UNHOUSED OR THE PRECARIOUSLY HOUSED. IT WON'T SERVE PEOPLE WHO ARE EARNING LESS THAN MEDIAN FAMILY. THE HOTEL MOTEL CONVERSIONS, THERE'S NOTHING THAT ENSURES THEY WOULD BE OTHER THAN MARKET RATE. A FREE OR ALL WHICH IS WHAT THIS IS NOT AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PLAN. THROWING THINGS AGAINST THE WALL TO SEE WHAT STICKS IS NOT AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PLAN. I'M CONCERNED THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY COST. YOU'RE MAKING PEOPLE THINK THIS IS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PLAN, IT'S JUST NOT. IF YOU DO THIS NOW, WITHOUT ACTUALLY BUILDING AFFORDABILITY PROVISIONS PEOPLE ARE GOING TO THINK WE'RE OFF THE HOOK AND WE'RE NOT. I KNOW INCREASING DENSITY IS IMPORTANT FOR REASONS OTHER THAN AFFORDABILITY. SINCE ALBUQUERQUE IS A PARAGONE OF SPRAWL, I UNDERSTAND THAT CONCERN. BUT WHEN THE CITY HAS PROMOTED SPRAWL SUCH AS THE ANNEXATION AND SUPPORT OF MESADEL SOL THE IMPACT WILL BE MINIMAL. I URGE YOU TO POSTPONE AND IMPROVE IT. THANK YOU. >> PATRICIA FOLLOWED BY KRISTEN. >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILORS, MY FIRST WRITTEN COMMENT REGARDING THE CURRENT IDO UPDATE WAS PINNED ON THE INTERACTIVE SPREAD SHEET IN OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR. THAT SUGGESTION WAS INCORPORATED INTO THE AMENDMENT I HAD WRITTEN. THAT WAS THE FIRST AND ONLY SUGGESTION OF MINE THAT HAS BEEN LISTENED TO. 92 COMMENTS WERE PIND TO THE SPREADSHEET OF CITY WIDE CHANGES INCLUING MY COMMENT BEMOANING THE FACT THERE WAS NO WAY TO PROVIDE SIMILAR ONLINE COMMENT TO O-22-54. THERE IS NO WAY I CAN CONDENSE EIGHT MONTHS OF LETTERS INTO 60 SECONDS. I CAN SEE I PLAN TO HAVE MY TIME CUT IN HALF. THE ARGUMENT HAS BECOME POLITICAL. AND OPPONENTS HAVE BEEN ACCUSED OF -- NOT TRUE. I AM FOR APPROPRIATE INFILL AND INCREASED DENSITY. I AM AGAINST MAKING MAJOR ZONE CHANGES IN AN ANNUAL UPDATE PROCESS. I AM AGAINST DECIMATING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE LONG-RANGE CPA PROCESS. AND I AM AGAINST THREE LANE DUCK PASSING LEGISLATION THAT SHOULD BE THE PURVIEW OF THE NEXT COUNCIL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HAPPY BIRTH DAY. >> KRISTEN FOLLOWED BY EDRIC. FREDERICK FOLLOWED BY MICHAEL. >> THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, AND THANK YOU. MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCIL MEMBERS, I AM A COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDER, ALSO AN ADVISOR TO THE OFFICE OF BLACK COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. I'M ALSO A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER. AND WE ARE DEVELOPERS. OF HOUSING, ADU, SINGLE AND MULTI-FAMILY UNITS. CURRENTLY, WE'RE IN A HOUSING CRISIS. AND I'VE HEARD PROS AND CONS RELATIVE TO MOVING FORWARD WITH HOUSING FORWARD. WE'RE NOT. AND THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT WE'RE IN A HOUSING CRISIS. AND WITH THAT, LET ME STATE A FEW FACTS. TWO-THIRDS OF ALBUQUERQUE COMMUNITIES ARE ZONED FOR SINGLE FAMILY. WE HAVE LOW INVENTORY OF HOUSING. WE HAVE OLDER INVENTORY. WE HAVE HIGH INTEREST RATES TODAY. INFLATION AND EXTREMELY HIGH HOUSING COST. THAT'S THE REALITY OF NOT JUST HERE, BUT NATIONALLY. PEOPLE OF COLOR ARE DISPROPORTIONATELY DEALING WITH ALL OF THIS AND FOR THE MOST PART SPEND A GREAT MAJORITY, SPEND 30% OF MONEY ON HOUSING ALONE. WHICH ON A NATIONAL LEVEL LEAVES ABOUT $280 FOR FOOD, HEALTH CARE AND TRANSPORTATION. ONLY HAVE 29 SECONDS. REZONING, BUILDING VERTICALLY, SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY UNITS ARE VERY IMPORTANT. I SUPPORT ABQ HOUSING MOVING FORWARD AND THE KEY TO THIS IS NOT JUST REZONING, IT'S REFORM, FINANCIAL SUPPORT, AND CONSTRUCTION CONSIDERATIONS WHERE THE CITY WORKS WITH CONSTRUCTION INDIVIDUALS TO HELP US REDUCE ALL COSTS. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY OF YOUR TIME AND I LOOK FORWARD TO COLLABORATING WITH THE CITY, NON-PROFITS AND OTHERS TO HELP MAKE HOUSING FORWARD REALITY. THANK YOU. >> MICHAEL FOLLOWED BY RHIANNON. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AS YOU CAN SEE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY ORANGE SHIRTS MY SIZE. THAT'S WHY I'M NOT WEARING ONE TONIGHT. I WANT TO SAY THAT WHAT WOULD BE BEST WHEN YOU HAVE A COMPLEX MATTER LIKE THIS IS TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING SO WE CAN GIVE YOU THE TIME TO GO THROUGH WHAT WE FEEL ARE IMPORTANT ITEMS THAT CAN -- YOU CAN TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION FOR UPDATE ON THE IDO. HAVING TO SHOW UP LATE ON THE AGENDA IS A PROBLEM. AND NOT APPROPRIATE. IT NEEDS TO BE EARIER ON IN THE AGENDA IF YOU'RE GOING TO INCLUDE THIS WITH ALL OF THE OTHER ITEMS. ONE MINUTE TALK TIME IS REALLY DIFFERENT. WE REALLY WANT TO GIVE YOU THOUGHTFUL, CAREFUL CONSIDERATION OF ITEMS WE SPENT AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF TIME TO PROVIDE YOU WITH. I WILL TELL YOU THERE'S A FIRE AT 201 CORNELL PROPERTY ON BOTH SIDES OF THE CASITA HAD SOME DAMAGE. I HOPE YOU TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. THEY HAD AN ALLEY. THEY WERE LUCKY, IN ALBUQUERQUE, WE DON'T HAVE MANY ALLEYS. I WANT TO TELL YOU THAT THE NEIGHBORHOODS REALLY DO PROVIDE A LOT OF TIME VOLUNTEERING TO GIVE YOU THE VERY BEST INFORMATION WE CAN GIVE YOU. AND I HOPE YOU'LL GIVE VERY CAREFUL THOUGHT TO THE WRITTEN COMMENTS YOU RECEIVED IN THE COMMENTS TONIGHT. AND I ASK YOU, PLEASE VOTE NO ON O-22-54, AND I HOPE YOU LIKE MY ORANGE SHIRT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH BY THE WAY, MR. CHAIR, DO YOU MIND IF I MAKE A MOTION? I MOVE WE ADJOURN. IS THERE A SECOND? THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: THERE MIGHT BE ONE UP HERE. >> RHIANNON FOLLOWED BY SHAUN. >> HELLO, MR. PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. I'M WITH NAOP NEW MEXICO. HERE ONCE AGAIN TO SUPPORT THE O-22 O-22-54. I'M NOT GOING TO REITERATE THINGS I'VE BEEN SHARING OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS. THAT'S OVER A YEAR. NOT SOMETHING HAPPENING UNDER THE CLOAK OF NIGHT OR ANYTHING. THE FACT THAT WE ARE IN A HOUSING CRISIS TODAY, AND AS MUCH AS WE'D LIKE TO BELABOR CERTAIN POINTS AND TALK AND TALK, AT SOME POINT I KNOW A LOT OF YOU WOULD AGREE WE HAVE TO BE PROMPTED FOR ACTION. THERE WAS CONCERN EARIER DURING THE ADMIN Q&A ABOUT THINGS TAKING TOO LONG. WE HAVE TO WAIT, HAVE THE LENGTH OF A PROCESS AMONG WHAT ARE THE CRITICAL ISSUES RIGHT NOW. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS PEOPLE NEED HOMES. THEY NEED IT ACROSS THE ENTIRE SPECTRUM. FROM LOW INCOME TO HIGHER END, THE BIGGER NICER HOMES BECAUSE IT'S A CONTINUUM OF HOUSING. WHEN ONE VACATES ANOTHER IS RE PLACED. WE NEED THAT IN ALBUQUERQUE TODAY. I UNDERSTAND THAT LOT OF YOU ARE CONFLICTED ON YOUR VOTES. SARAJEVO BEEN GETTING YOU'VE BEEN GETTING PRESSURE FOR FOLKS WHO HELPED YOU GET ELECTED, BUT I WANT TO APPEAL TO THE FACT THAT WE NEED HOUSING AND I LOVE IF YOU WOULD ALLOW THE FREE MARKET TO ALLOW THAT IN AN ORGANIC WAY. WHETHER IT'S CASITA, DUPLEXES, INCREASING DENSITY. THIS IS A REASONABLE APPROACH. WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT THIS. IT'S A GREAT FIRST STEP. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION. >> SHAUN FOLLOWED BY AARON. >> I'D LIKE TO EXPRESS MY SUPPORT FOR THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE IDO. I MEAN, IT'S NOT PERFECT. BUT IT WOULD STILL BE A STEP FORWARD IN INCREASING THE HOUSING AVAILABLE. THERE ARE TWO OTHER EFFECTS THAT I HAVE -- MAYBE THEY HAVE NOT BEEN BROUGHT UP. IF YOU ALLOW CONSTRUCTION AND RENOVATION THAT MEANS MORE JOBS FOR CONSTRUCTION WORKERS AND CARPENTERS. AND SECONDLY, IF WE HAVE INCREASED DENSITY YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SERVE MORE PEOPLE WITH THE SAME INFRASTRUCTURE AND PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION NETWORKS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE. AND BOTH OF THESE ARE ADDITIONAL BENEFITS THAT WOULD BE PROMOTED BY THE PASSING. THANK YOU. >> AARON FOLLOWED BY ERIC. >> LAST NIGHT I WAS SITTING AT MY TABLE HAVING WORKED MANY HOURS THIS WEEK BECAUSE I'M A MASTER'S COLLEGE STUDENT AND WORKING FULL TIME. AND I REALIZE I DON'T HAVE THE PRIVILEGE TO AFFORD RENT AND GROCERIES. I SPEND TWO THIRDS ON RENT WITH MULTIPLE ROOMMATES. MY BROTHER AGE 30 AND A WIFE HAS FOUR ROOMMATES BECAUSE NONE OF THEM ON THEIR OWN CAN AFFORD A HOUSE. MY PARENTS, AGED # 0 CANNOT AFFORD A HOUSE AND SPENT MAJORITY ON RENT. IS THAT A HOUSING SYSTEM THAT FUNCTIONS ON A BASIC LEVEL? BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T SEEM FUNCTIONAL TO ME. WE HAVE 63% OF OUR LAND DEDICATED TO A TYPE OF HOUSING THAT MOST PEOPLE DO NOT WANT, MOST PEOPLE DO NOT NEED OR AFFORD. DOES THAT SOUND FUNCTIONAL? THIS IDO UPDATE IS NOT A SILVER BULLED. IT'S NOT GOING TO FIX THE HOUSING SYSTEM. BUT IT'S A FIRST STEP. IF YOU'RE WILLING TO TAKE THAT FIRST STEP AND INVEST IN THE TRANSIT AND INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE NEED FOR A FUNCTIONING URBAN CENTER YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT MORE HOMELESS PEOPLE AND MORE PEOPLE MOVING OUT OF ALBUQUERQUE. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A CITY COLLAPSING THAT IS ECONOMICALLY FALTERING. THESE ARE YOUR CHOICES TO MAKE. LIVE WITH THE CONSEQUENCES. >> ERIC FOLLOWED BY CARLOS. >> GOOD EVENING, ANYBODY THAT'S THINKING ABOUT PUTTING TRIPLEXES IN PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE SHOULD MAYBE SPEND SOME TIME SOUTH OF UNM LOOKING AT THAT. THERE WILL BE PARKING ISSUES. THERE WILL BE CRIME ISSUES. AND MOST OF THE PEOPLE LIVING ON THE STREET COULDN'T AFFORD A HOUSE AT $400 A MONTH. THEY COULDN'T AN AFFORD A HOTEL ROOM THAT'S BEEN CONVERTED INTO AN PARM -- APARTMENT. WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING. BUT LET'S NOT TURN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS INTO HORRIBLE. THE NEXT THING I WANT TO MENTION IS COUNCILOR DAVIS, LAST WEEK YOU WERE EXTREMELY RUDE TO ME. YOU SAID YOU WANTED RESPECT GIVEN TO MEME. IF YOU WANT RESPECT, PREPONDERANCE OF EVIDENCE S YOU PERHAPS YOU SHOULD GIVE RESPECT. THANK YOU. >> CARLOS FOLLOWED BY BEN. >> I'M TRYING TO COME OVER HERE FOR A COUPLE TIMES AND COME TO SPEAK. BUT I'VE BEEN THROWN OUT TWICE ALREADY BY PATRICK BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING THAT I'M A BEING DISTURBING WHILE I'M SITTING IN MY SEAT AND RECORDING. I DON'T THINK -- IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE WE SIT TO RECORD. WE'RE NOT DISTURBING ANYBODY. IT SHOULDN'T MATTER. WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO -- FOR YOU TO MAKE A SPOT FOR US TO SIT. WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SIT ANYWHERE WE WANT TO. FROM THE COUNCIL OF THERE'S PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO TELL US WHAT TO DO, WHEN TO DO IT AND HOW TO DO IT. WE'VE GOT TO BE CAREFUL OF WHO THOSE PEOPLE ARE. REMEMBER, IGNORANCE OF THE LAW IS NO EXCUSE FOR ALL OF US. US REGULAR PEOPLE. AND IT'S DEFINITELY NOT GOING TO BE ANY EXCUSE FOR YOU GUYS IF YOU GUYS VIOLATE PEOPLE'S RIGHTS. WHEN YOU VIOLATE PEOPLE'S RIGHTS YOU DO IT WILLINGLY. BECAUSE THERE IS NO IGNORANCE OF THE LAW. I THINK YOU BETTER THINK BEFORE YOU DO STUFF. OR MAKE RULES OR TRY TO TELL PEOPLE WHAT TO DO. YOU'RE NOBODY'S DADDY. YOU'RE NOT MY DADDY. I'LL FILM FROM WHERE I WANT TO FILM AND WHERE I WANT TO RECORD. THAT'S IT FOR ME. >> BEN FOLLOWED BY PETER. PETER FOLLOWED BY BERNADETTE. >> ALL RIGHT. MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, HELLO. I'M HERE WITH NAVA. AND I'M ALSO A CONSTITUENT OF COUNCILOR BENTON. I'M HERE TODAY TO VOICE MY CONCERN AGAINST DEVELOPMENT AT THE PETROGLYPHS. THESE SACRED SITES HAVE BEEN ON THIS LAND FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS AND ARE DEEPLY IMPORTANT TO PUEBLOS AND TRIBES. THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OVER 18 ACRES WOULD UNQUESTIONABLY DES CRIT IT. AT 3 STORIES TALL IT WOULD CONTRIBUTE TO URBAN SPRAWL BUT HINDER TRADITIONAL CEREMONY FOR BEING PRACTICED FOR LONGER THAN THIS COUNTRY HAS EXISTED. I RECENTLY HAVE BEEN EDUCATED ON THE LENGTH ALBUQUERQUE CITY GOVERNMENT HAS GONE TO BUILD A HIGHWAY TO REDUCE TRAFFIC. I SEE THE PARALLELS BETWEEN 2004 AND TODAY WHERE THIS CITY COUNCIL SEEKS TO ERECT A HOUSING COMPLEX AT THE FOOT OF THE PETROGLYPHS. THE CITY NEEDS TO TAKE ACTION TO COMBAT THAT, BUT THE IDO DIVIDE AND CONQUER. HITTING LOW INCOME PEOPLE AGAINST COMMUNITIES FIGHTING TO PRESERVE CULTURES. >>COUN. DAVIS: SIR. I'M GOING TO SAY BECAUSE YOU'RE MENTIONING A SPECIFIC PROJECT, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT IN THIS FORUM. WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THAT COMES TO CITY COUNCIL. YOU CAN TALK IN GENERAL. BUT WE HAVE TO REFRAIN FROM TALKING ABOUT SPECIFIC PROJECTS. >> UNDERSTOOD. AT LARGE, THIS IS NOT SIMPLY QUIBBLING ABOUT MINUTE DETAILS. THIS IS THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE TELLING RESIDENTS TO CHOOSE PROTECTING SACRED SITES AND ENSUING AFFORDABLE HOUSING WHICH I THINK IS COMPLETE NON-STARTER. I ENCOURAGE YOU TO REVISIT THE IDO AND ENGAGE IN TRIBAL CONSULTATION WITH LEADERS AND COMMUNITY LEADERS BEFORE ACTING ON DECISIONS THAT INTERFERES WITH HISTORY AS APPARENT NOW. THANK YOU. >> BERNADETTE FOLLOWED BY AARON. >> HELLO. REPRESENTATIVES, CHAIR, I AM IN SUPPORT OF HOUSING FORWARD. BUT NOT AT THE COST OF SACRED SITES. I THINK IT NEEDS A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK. THE IDO -- JUST FOR BETTER PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT ALIGNMENT UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN CRAZY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THIS SYSTEM OF THE IDO. AND WE ARE HITTING BRICK BALLS BECAUSE OF THE SO-CALLED LAWSUIT. WE KNOW THERE'S A VIEW PROTECTION OVERLAY. BUT WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE DEMOLISHED BECAUSE WE NEED HOUSING. WE JUST WANT IT PROTECTED. WE COULD SOLVE THIS IN OTHER WAYS. WE NEED HOUSING. THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY. THANK YOU. >> AARON FOLLOWED BY ATSA. >> HELLO, CITY COUNCIL, I'M HERE WITH NAVA. I WANT TO EXPRESS MY CONCERN FOR THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE NEEDS -- CHANGE TH IDO AND HOW IT CAN OPEN UP REDEVELOPMENT THAT COMPROMISES SACRED SITES. I GREW UP IN CHOTI AND I WAS TAUGHT TO PRAY AT SUNRISE BECAUSE THAT'S A HOLY TIME. WHEN THE THREE STOY DEVELOPMENT DISRUPTS THAT, WE SHOULD MOVE TO ACTION. IT'S A SACRED SPACE FOR NATIVE-AMERICAN PEOPLE. AND HAS BEEN REVERED FOR OVER 3,000 YEARS. WHILE WE NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING. FOR THE RESIDENTS OF ALBUQUERQUE, I BELIEVE DEVELOPERS CAN BE MORE STRATEGIC WHERE THEY PLACE NEW DEVELOPMENTS THAT DON'T COMPROMISE SACRED SITES LIKE THE PETROGLYPHS. THEREFORE I ASK YOU TO DELAY THE IDO TO HAVE A FULL DISCUSSION ON IMPACT AND REGULATION OF DEVELOPMENT NEAR THE PET RUGLFS AND THAT IS SO IMPORTANT TO PUEBLO AND NATIVE PEOPLES. THANK YOU. >> ATSA FOLLOWED BY MAYA. >> GOOD EVENING, PRESIDENT, COUNCIL MEMBERS, I AM AN ALBUQUERQUE RESIDENT CONSTITUENT OF COUNCILOR LEWIS AND FROM TIWA PEOPLE AND DINE NATION. I'M HERE TO ALLOW THE WORDS MADE EARIER BY TERRY SLOAN AND TAKE THEM TO HEART. WE NEED MEANINGFUL TRIBAL CONSULTATION AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ON LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT. THE CURRENT IDO PROCESS HAS FAILED TO DO SO DESPITE APPEALS MADE BY TRIBAL LEADERS. CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE RESOLUTION ROA2-6-6-4 THAT REQUIRES A LEVEL OF CONSULTATION WAS NOT FOLLOWED. THIS WAS APPEALED BUT THE LUHO DENIED THIS WITHOUT -- >>COUN. DAVIS: I APOLOGIZE. I'M GOING TO GO BACK INTO THAT. WE HAVE A SPECIAL SET OF RULES. THERE'S A WAY TO COMMENT ON THAT. WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THAT. COUNCILORS CAN'T RESPOND TO YOU. I ASK YOU TO TALK ABOUT GENERAL COMMENT. >> THEY'RE A SACRED SITE TO PUEBLO AND INDIGENOUS PEOPLE. DESPITE THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE BEING A MANAGEMENT AGENCY WHERE THERE ARE STATE AND FEDERAL PROCESSES THAT MUST BE FOLLOWED THIS ALSO WAS NOT DONE. THE VIEW SPACE, LIGHT, CULTURAL PRAYER SPACE, CULTURAL SPACES ARE AT RISK. YOU CANNOT VOTE ON IDO AMENDMENTS BEFORE YOU MEET THE REQUIREMENT FROM MEANINGFUL CONSULTATION WITHOUT ADVERSE RESULTS. ALBUQUERQUE IS SURROUNDED BY PUEBLO COMMUNITIES WHO HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE TIME IMMEMORIAL, THEY DESERVE THAT RESPECT. YOU CANNOT EXPECT US TO IN GOOD FAITH CONTINUE TO WORK ON FINDING COMMON GROUNDS AND SOLUTIONS IF YOU DO NOT DELAY THIS VOTE. WE ASK YOU TO PLEASE CONSIDER THAT. EVEN IF IT'S JUST A MONTH, SO WE CAN GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO BE HEARD AND BE A PART OF THAT PROCESS SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. WE KNOW THERE'S A HOUSING CRISIS, WE KNOW THERE'S ISSUE AT STAKE, BUT YOU CANNOT MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT CONSULTING THE TRIBE. THANK YOU. >> MAYA FOLLOWED BY DAVID. >> HELLO, EVERYONE. I'M ALSO WITH THE GROUP NAVA. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD ON TO O-22-54. WE HAVE EXPRESSED THAT WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF CASITA'S. THE HOUSING CRISIS HAS TO INCLUDE INFRASTRUCTURE TO PREVENT URBAN SPRAWL. WE ALSO HAVE EXPRESSED IN THE ZONING CODE USES SUCH AS BOSQUE SHOULD BE UTILIZED IN PLACES SUCH AS THE PET RUGLFS AND HOW AND HOW DO WE ENSURE THIS, TRIBAL CONSULTATION. >> DAVID FOLLOWED BY RICHARD. RICHARD FOLLOWED BY JOHN. JOHN FOLLOWED BY RENÉ. >> GO AHEAD. >> PROFESSIONAL COUNCILOR, BY DEGREE. A COUNCIL KEN SANCHEZ, DID A LOT OF FOOTWORK FOR HIM. I HOPE YOU GUYS SOMEDAY WILL GET BUILDINGS OR ROOMS NAMED AFTER YOU. MANY OF THE OLDER ONES LIKE COUNCILOR BENTON AND COUNCILOR JONES AND I'VE TALKED TO COUNCILOR PEÑA, WE MY BROTHER, MY SISTER AND I, WERE INHAIRITATED FROM MY FATHER ATRISCO LAND GRANT FIVE ACRES NEXT TO CITY ACRES ON SAN YSIDRO AND SAGE. AND WHAT HAPPENS THERE IS EVERY OTHER MONTH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WE GET BILLS TO CLEAN OUR LOT. THE CITY WHAT THEY DO IS SEND TRACTORS OUT THERE AND CLEAN IT AND THEY HAVE SOME BLACK STUFF. I WANT TO SELL IT TO THE CITY OR ANYBODY TO BUILD THESE HOMES FOR THESE PEOPLE THAT NEED IT. AND I'D LIKE TO SEE COUNCILOR BENTON AND COUNCILOR JONES AND SAAVADERA TOOK OFF ON ME. THEY GIVEN A LOT TO THIS CITY. THANK YOU FOR THE JOB YOU'RE DOING. AND PLEASE DO SOMETHING WITH THAT FIVE ACRES OF OURS ON 90th AND SAGE INSTEAD OF SENDING US BILLS TO CLEAN IT. MY NEPHEWS DON'T LIVE IN THE CITY. MY BROTHER HAS ONE ACRE, I HAVE TWO, AND WE JUST BUST OUR BUTTS CLEANING AND CLEANING AND THE CITY NEXT DOOR, DO SOMETHING WITH IT PLEASE. AND THANK YOU, ALL. >>COUN. DAVIS: WHEN WE GO TO A BREAK, THE GENTLEMAN RIGHT HERE AT THE TABLE CAN CONNECT YOU WITH SOMEBODY TO TALK ABOUT THAT. >> THAT'S WHAT I WANTED IT. I GUESS YOU'RE THE BIG SHOT NOW. >>COUN. DAVIS: HE'S THE MAN. AS SOON AS WE'RE DONE, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A BREAK IN ABOUT 15 MINUTES. >> RICHARD FOLLOWED BY RENÉ. >>COUN. DAVIS: WELCOME AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. >> YES. I AM THE TRIBAL PRESERVATION OFFICER FOR THE PUEBLO OF LAGUNA. I HAVE BEEN ASKED TO MAKE THIS PRESENTATION THIS EVENING. REITERATING THE IMPORTANCE OF THE PETROGLYPHS. LAGUNA AND OTHER PUEBLOS HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE LONG BEFORE THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. AND IN RECOGNITION THAT ALBUQUERQUE IS ON PUEBLO LAND. THE CITY HAS MADE COMMITMENTS TO CONSULT WITH TRIBES REGARDING THE IMPACT. THE CITIES OF POLICIES AND PUEBLOS. THAT GOVERNMENT TO GOVERNMENT CONSULTATION HAS NOT HAPPENED IN THE IDO. THEREFORE, WE ASK THE COUNCIL TO DELAY CONSIDERATION OF THE IDO AMENDMENT TO ALLOW TIME FOR FULL DISCUSSION OF THE AMENDMENT'S IMPACT ON REGULATION OF DEVELOPMENT NEAR THE PETROGLYPH ON HOW TO BEST PROTECT THE RESOURCE THAT IS SO CRITICAL TO THE PUEBLO OF LAGUNA AND OTHER NATIVE PEOPLE. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. >> RENAY FOLLOWED BY TODD ON ZOOM. >> GOOD EVENING. I'M FROM THE WEST SIDE. AND I'M WITH THE WEST SIDE COALITION. SO AS YOU KNOW I'M VERY INVOLVED IN THE IDO EVERY YEAR SINCE ITS BEEN PASSED. THIS PASSED ABOUT IN 2017. IT'S NOT THAT OLD. WE DID LIKE OUR OLD PLANS BECAUSE THEY WERE MORE IN SCALE AND CHARACTER WITH OUR AREA AND PRESERVED OUR CULTURAL AND NATURAL AND HISTORIC FEATURES VERY WELL WITH OUR SECTOR PLANS. NOW THAT WE CHANGED, THEY PROMISE THAT THINGS WOULD BE MORE PROTECTIVE AND NOT TO WORRY AND THE AREAS OF CONSISTENCY WHICH WAS OUR R1 ZONES WOULD BE PROTECTED AND NOT CHANGED AND WE WOULD DIRECT MORE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND AREAS OF CHANGE ALONG THE CORRIDORS. AND THEY WOULD BE SCALE AND CHARACTER. EACH YEAR THAT WE'RE INVOLVED WE KEEP CHANING THE ZONING AND IT GETS MORE INTENSE AND MORE DENSE. IT'S OUT OF SCALE, OUT OF CHARACTER, ADACEANT TO OPEN SPACES, THEY JUST MENTIONED IT. IT -- BECAUSE I'VE BEEN INVOLVED HELPING TO CREATE A NATIONAL MONUMENT PROTECTING THAT AREA. WE WANT A GOOD DESIGN OUT THERE. RIGHT NOW THE BUILDING HEIGHTS ARE TREMENDOUS. AND AROUND THE CITY, I SENT YOU A LETTER TO SHOW YOU SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE SEEING WITH THESE TALL APARTMENTS, FOUR STORIES RIGHT BEHIND PEOPLE'S HOMES. NOBODY LIKES A FOUR STORY RIGHT BEHIND THEIR HOME AND THE 100-FOOT BUFFER IS NOT ENOUGH. NOW YOU'RE ASKING LET'S CHANGE THE ZONING AND LET'S GO HIGHER AND LET'S GET RID OF MORE PARKING. THEY JUST CUT TWO OF THE BUS SERVICE ON THE WEST SIDE AND 11 THROUGHOUT THE CITY. THINGS HAVE NOT GOTTEN BETTER. WE HAVE A LOT OF OUT OF STATE DEVELOPERS BUILDING LOTS OF APARTMENTS. 49, I'VE HEARD. AND 15 OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE AFFORDABLE. BUT HAS -- WE'RE BUILDING ALL THESE APARTMENTS AND THEY'RE NOT AFFORDABLE AND OUR RENTS HAVE GONE SKY HIGH SINCE THE START OF THE IDO AND NOW YOU WANT TO REMOVE MORE ZONING PROTECTIONS? AND YOU THINK THAT'S GOING TO WORK? SO -- I JUST THINK -- YOU'RE MISREPRESENTING IT'S GOING TO SOLVE AFFORDABILITY AND THE HOMELESS. THOSE ARE SOCIAL ISSUES. I WANT TO SOLVE THOSE BUT THE ZONE CHANGES WON'T WORK. THANK YOU. >> TODD FOLLOWED BY SHIRLEY. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCILORS, COUNCILOR DAVIS, I LIVE IN DISTRICT TWO. I'VE BEEN IN THE COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE INDUSTRY AS AN INVESTMENT BROKER AND -- CONSULTANT. PLEASE PASS O-22-54 WITHOUT ANY AMENDMENTS. DOING SO WILL ALLOW THE HOUSING INDUSTRY TO MEET THE DEMAND. PENDING YOUR APPROVAL THE INDUSTRY IS WORKING ON A SIX STEP PLAN TO PROVIDE AWARD WINNING PREE APPROVED DESIGN AND SHORTEN THE TIME FOR APPROVAL, PROVIDE A MINIMUM COST FOR DWELLING UNITS AND CONNECT HOMEOWNERS WITH FINANING AND FINALLY A MECHANISM TO IDENTIFY HOW MUCH VALUE THIS WILL ADD TO EXISTING HOMES WHILE HELPING THE COMMUNITY SOLVE OUR HOUSING CRISIS. THE ADU AND ANY OTHER HOUSING DEVELOPMENT IS PART OF THE OVERALL PROPERTY LADDER BUILDING TO ONE RUNNING OF THE LADDER RISES THE RUNNINGS BELOW. I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THE SIX-STEP PROCESS SOUNDS GREAT. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A GREAT IDEA FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW ABOUT OR HAVE THAT FINALIZED IN ORDER TO GET MORE SUPPORT FROM A LOT OF THE CONSTITUENTS WHO HAVE BEEN SPEAKING OUT IN OPPOSITION. >> SHIRLEY FOLLOWED BY RUSSEL. CAN YOU UNMUTE? >> I'LL TRY TO COME BACK TO YOU. RUSSEL. >> HELLO, MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS. I'M A MEMBER OF THE GREGIOS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. I'M ALSO ATTENDING THE ANNUAL MEETING OF THE NORTH VALLEY COALITION RECOGNIZED BY THE NARO. THIS RECOGNITION CRITERIA AFFORDS A SAT STATUS WHICH PROVIDE DECISION MAKERS AND THE PUBLIC SOME ASSURANCE THAT STATED POSITIONS AND TESTIMONY ARE BASED ON OUTREACH TRANSPARENCY AND DEMOCRATIC PROCESSES. THE LGNA SUPPORTS THE TENANTS OF O-22-54 AND STRONGLY SUPPORTS ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS IN THE RA AND R1 ZONE DISTRICTS PER OUR LETTER. WE MUST ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE CITY AND COUNTY ARE IN ONGOING HOUSING CRISIS AND I URGE YOU TO TAKE COMPREHENSIVE EQUITABLE ACTION TO ADDRESS IT TONIGHT. PER THE CHARTER THE DUTIES INCLUDE ESTABLISH FIVE YEAR GOALS SKWN YEAR OBJECTIVES WITH THE CORRESPONDING AND BUDGET INCLUING HUMAN AND FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. PEOPLE ARE WELL SHELTERED AND SAFE AND HEALTHY WITH AFFOR ABLE OPTIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. NOT JUST ONE DISTRICT. THE COMMUNITY IS SERVED WITH WELL PLANNED COORDINATED AND MAINTAINED INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT GOAL. COMMUNITIES ARE LIVABLE, SUSTAINABLE AND VITAL INCLUING A MIXTURE OF DENSITIES, LAND USES AND PEDESTRIAN ENVIRONMENTS. NOT JUST IN ONE NEIGHBORHOOD, COMMUNITY OR COUNCIL DISTRICT BUT THROUGHOUT THE CITY. IF -- ALLOWED IN ALL NEIGHBORHOODS TO ALL COMMUNITIES AND IN ALL COUNCIL DISTRICTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY IS THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY TO MEET THE GOALS TO SHELTER PEOPLE, OUR FAMILY, FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORHOODERS TO MAX MAX THE UTILITY OF INFRASTRUCTURE INSTEAD OF SPRAWLING FURTHER INTO THE DESERT AND DEVELOP COMMUNITIES. PLEASE BUILD UPON THE COMMON GROUND THAT'S BEEN EXPRESSED OVER THE PAST EIGHT MONTHS AND DO NOT PASS UP THIS OPPORTUNITY WITHOUT FIRST PICKING THE LOW HANGING FRUIT. ADU -- >> THANK YOU. YOUR TIME IS UP. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. >> THOMAS FOLLOWED BY JEREMY. >> HELLO. YES. I'M THOMAS. I HAVE LIVED IN ALBUQUERQUE FOR 22 YEARS. THE REASON I CAME AS A STUDENT AND MY WIFE AND I HAVE RAISED TWO BOYS HERE. NOW, UPON TURNING THE AGE OF ABOUT 14 MY TWO SONS USUALLY, TRADITIONALLY, AND CULTURALLY ARE SUPPOSED TO MOVE OUT OF OUR HOUSE AND LIVE AN THEIR OWN. WHEN THAT HAPPENED TO MY SON, WE THOUGHT ABOUT DOING THAT AND WE THOUGHT ABOUT DOING IT IN OUR BACKYARD. HOWEVER, THAT'S NOT PERMISSIBLE BY CURRENT RULES. SO, WE HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT TURNING THAT PLACE INTO MAYBE -- WE RIGHT NOW HAVE THE SHED AND WE ARE THINKING ABOUT TURNING THAT SHED OR THE AREA INTO A HOUSE AND WE BELIEVE THOSE ARE PERMISSIBLE BY CURRENT RULES. HOWEVER, IF THAT IS SO, IF THOSE ARE PERMISSIBLE, WHY WOULD NOT A SMALL ADU PERMISSIBLE AS WELL? THAT'S WHAT WE THOUGHT? THAT'S WHAT MY SON THOUGHT AND WE THOUGHT OF DOING THAT. ON THE CURRENT RULES WE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT. WE BELIEVE IF THAT WERE POSSIBLE THEN BOTH MY SONS WOULD BE ABLE TO LIVE THERE, MAYBE MAKE AN ADU OR TWO AND THEN FREE UP AT LEAST ONE RENTAL SPACE FOR SOMEONE ELSE WHO REALLY NEEDS IT. I THINK VOTING YES WITH THE HOUSING FORWARD INITIATIVE COULD BE THE SPARK NEEDED TO START CHIPPING AWAY AT THE 30,000 SHORTFALL HOMES WE KNOW ARE NEEDED IN ALBUQUERQUE. FOR ME, I WOULD SAY VOTE FOR THIS. BUT THERE ARE MANY OTHER REASONS PEOPLE HAVE SAID INCLUING FOR ME THE FACT THAT I HAVE A SHED THERE, A SHED IS ACCEPTABLE, BUT AN ADU, MAYBE A TINY HOME BY CURRENT RULES ARE NOT PERMISSIVE. THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. THANK YOU. >> JEREMY FOLLOWED BY SHANILA. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT. I APOLOGIZE, I DON'T HAVE VIDEO OPTION. I WOULD LIKE TO TALK IN FAVOR OF THE ZONING CHANGES. SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE BENEFITS OF DUPLEXES. SO, IN OUR CITY THE MEDIAN INCOME IS ABOUT $58,000. FOR THAT, YOU QUALIFY FOR A MORTGAGE THAT WAS ABOUT 1400. HOWEVER, THE MEDIAN HOUSING PRICE IS OVER $300,000 WHICH YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE 2400 TO QUALIFY. FOR FIRST-TIME HOME BUYERS ESPECIALLY PEOPLE FROM JEN Z AND MILLENNIALS, THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A DUPLEX BECAUSE YOU CAN PUT UP A PARTITION WALL WITHOUT CHANING THE LOOK AND FEEL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, JUST PUT UP A WALL AND NOW GET SOME CABINETS FROM RESTORE AND YOU CAN BE ON YOUR WAY TO ACTUALLY BUILDING EQUITY AND STARTING YOUR UPWARD GROWTH AND WELL. AND THAT LEADS TO A MUCH MORE SECURE AND SAFE COMMUNITY THAN WITH JUST RENTALS. THE OTHER IS PEOPLE AT THE OTHER END OF THE SPECTRUM, THE RETIREMENT AGE FOLKS WHO MIGHT HAVE BOUGHT A FOUR OR FIVE BEDROOM HOUSE TO RAISE A FAMILY NOW THOSE KIDS HAVE GROWN UP AND MOVED OUT AND THEY'RE SITTING THERE LOOKING AT WE DON'T HAVE THE SAME PENSIONS THAT WE USED TO HAVE. WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO PUT AWAY AS MUCH IN SAVING AND INFLATION, IN ORDER TO RETIRE IT'S A DILEMMA. IT'S A VERY CHEAP OPTIONS IF DUPLEXES WERE PERMISSIVE YOU COULD GO GET YOURSELF A QUICK PERMIT, PUT UP SOME WALLS. YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT DOWN GAS, WATER, SEWAGE, ALL THE TRUCK FOR A C IS CASITA, THIS WOULD BE A REAL SIMPLE OPTION FOR NORMAL FOLKS THAT REPRESENT THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY. THERE'S A LOT OF REALLY GREAT REASONS FOR THAT. I HOPE YOU WILL VOTE IN FAVOR OF THAT IDO CHANGE. >> SHINLA FOLLOWED BY KIMELA. >> I AM HERE TO HONOR THE VOICES OF OUR INDIGENOUS PEOPLE FROM TIWA. AND TO HONOR WHAT TERRY SLOAN PRESENTED AND OTHER COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE SHARING ABOUT MEANINGFUL TRIBAL CONSULTATION ON ALL LEVEL OF CITY COUNCIL MATTERS. BUT ALSO TO SUPPORTED THE HOUSING FORWARD ORDINANCE WITH THE PARTNERSHIP OF BEING IN FULL TRIBAL CONSULTATION. THESE ARE TRADITIONAL INDIGENOUS HOMELANDS. UNIVERSITY OF HOSPITAL NEW MEXICO RESIDES ON PUEBLO LANDS. AND MANY OTHER BUSINESSES THAT ATTRACT TOURISM AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO THE CITY ARE ON THE INDIAN PUEBLO CULTURAL LANDS. IT'S VITAL THAT YOU HONOR THIS AND HONOR GOVERNMENT TO GOVERNMENT RELATIONS. BUT ALSO HONOR AND VALUE OUR PEOPLE SO THAT OUR TEACHERS AND STUDENTS AREN'T LEAVING. I WORK AT A NON-PROFIT CLINIC AND I WORK AS FACULTY AT THE UNIVERSITY OF NEW MEXICO TRYING TO ATTRACT MEDICAL PRACTITIONERS AND NURSES AND LOT OF MY COLLEGE STUDENTS CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE IN ALBUQUERQUE AFTER THEY GRADUATE FROM UNM. THEY'RE GETTING RECRUITED BY OTHER STATES IN THE U.S. AND THEY WANT TO STAY HERE. THEY LOVE ALBUQUERQUE. THEY LOVER WHAT NEW MEXICO REPRESENTS TO THEM. PLEASE THINK ABOUT HOW TO WEAVE IN THE INDIGENOUS STRENGTHS OF OUR COMMUNITIES AND OUR INDIGENOUS LEADERS ARE THERE READY TO MEET WITH YOU. AND MAKE ALBUQUERQUE TO SET A PRECEDENCE AMONG OTHER URBAN AREAS. THANK YOU. >> CANILA. I'M THE DIRECTOR OF THE RIO GRANDE CHAPTER OF THE SIERRA CLUB REPRESENTING 6,000 MEMBERS OF THE ALBUQUERQUE AREA. THANK YOU TO ALL THE COUNCILORS FOR YOUR WORK TO ADDRESS THE GRAVE ISSUES OF PROVIING HOME FOR THE UNHOUSED AND IN THE SEAIR AA AND THE IMPACT ON GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE WE CAN FEEL IN TODAY'S HEAT AS WE ALL MAKE OUR WAY INSIDE AND INTO THE AIR CONDITIONING. OUR CHAPTER AND GROUP HAVE SUPPORTED THE AMENDMENTS TO THE IDO. CERTAIN HEIGHT ALLOWANCES FOR RESIDENCES THAT ARE SO VERY MUCH NEEDED. WE'D ALSO LIKE TO FLAG THE NEEDS TO ENSURE THERE ARE PROPER PROTECTIVE OVERLAYS FOR THE SACRED PLACES IN OUR CITY THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN IMPACTED. AND HOPE THAT CAN BE ASSURED FROM YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION. >> MAUREEN FOLLOWED BY JULIE. >> I'M THE CHAIR PERSON FOR THE ALBUQUERQUE HOUSING AUTHORITY. BUT I'M SPEAKING ON MY OWN BEHALF. I URGE YOU TO SUPPORT THE IDO CHANGES. WE NEED MORE HOUSING. I BOUGHT A HOUSE IN NORTHWEST ALBUQUERQUE ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO. AND IT'S ABOUT 50% BIGGER THAN THE APARTMENT I MOVED FROM. BUT THE RENTAL FROM THE APARTMENT COSTS MORE THAN THE MORTGAGE. I ALSO URGE YOU TO PROTECT SACRED SITES AND DO ANY TRIBAL CONSULTATION NEEDED TO DO THAT. THANK YOU. >> JULIE FOLLOWED BY RACHEL. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. I'VE SPOKEN TO YOU ON NUMEROUS OCCASION AND SUBMITTED WRITING IN REGARD TO MY OPPOSITION TO O-22-54. FOR SEVERAL REASONS DUE TO THE FLAWED PROCESS. THE OPTION FOR SPECIFIC LEGISLATION INCLUDING THE FACT THAT IT DOESN'T ADDRESS AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THERE'S NO SET ASIDES FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING NOR DOES THE ADDRESS THE HOMELESS ISSUE. I'VE ALSO OFFERED SUGGESTIONS FOR IMPROVEMENT IN OTHER HOUSING OPTIONS. TONIGHT, I'D ASK YOU IF YOU DO PASS THIS, WHICH I URGE YOU NOT TO, I ASK WHAT WILL BE YOUR MEASURES OF SUCCESS? HOW WILL YOU HOLD YOURSELF AND HOW AND THE MAYOR ACCOUNTABLE TO WHAT'S IN HOUSING FORWARD? TO -- WHEN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR TOLD YOU ABOUT A MONTH AGO THERE WAS NOT A MEASUREMENT IN PLACE TO MEASURE SOME OF THE PERMITTING THAT IS WITHIN THIS BILL AND THERE WON'T BE A SYSTEM IN PLACE FOR 16 MONTHS, HOW WILL WE KNOW IF THIS IS SUCCESSFUL OR NOT? I URGE YOU TO NOT PASS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> RACHEL FOLLOWED BY EVELYN. >> I'D LIKE TO SHARE MY SCREEN BEFORE YOU START THE TIMER. >> PROCEED. >>COUN. DAVIS: MS. BACA, WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SHARE? >> I JUST HAVE A SLIDE THAT'S IS PRETTY SELF-EX-PLANATORY. ATES A IT'S A COMPARISON. THANK YOU. I'M PRESIDENT OF THE THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WILSON PARK ON SAN PEDRO. NEAR THE GATEWAY AND ADJACENT TO THREE SCHOOLS. PUBLIC MIDDLE SCHOOL, CHARTER SCHOOL, AND CATHOLIC SCHOOL. WILSON PARK WAS RENOVATED ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO WITH MORE THAN $1.5 MILLION IN IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PARK AND POOL. THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN IS THE ANNOUNCEMENT THAT STILL LIVES ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE TOUT THLG -- TO GRASS AND SPRINKLERS AND SAFETY FEATURES. THE PROJECT WAS FUNDED THROUGH A FEDERAL GRANTED A MINISTERED BY FCS. THE GOAL OF THE GRANT WAS TO ADDRESS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN UNDERSERVED COMMUNITIES. FAST FORWARD TO 2023, ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF MY SLIDE AND THE EFFECT OF GATEWAY IS HAPPENING. AS IS THE REFUSAL BY THE CITY AND APD TO ENFORCE TRESPASSING, LITTEDERING, AND ORDINANCES. THE SPRINKLERS ARE BROKEN, THE GRASS IS DIE,ING THE THE PARK IS LITTERED. THE WALLS ARE COVERED WITH GRUFETY. AND IT'S A MARK NOT SAFE FOR MYSELF AND MANY NEIGHBORS REPORT DAILY TO 311 AND 242-COPS AND POSTING ON THE 311 APP. THE RESPONSE IS NEVER IMMEDIATE, NEVER THOROUGH, AND THE PARK FILLS BACK IN AS SOON AS WASTE REMOVAL TRUCKS LEAVE. THIS PAST FATHER'S DAY WEEKEND, I POSTED TO THE APP FIVE TIMES WITH THE HOPE THE PARK WOULD BE CLEANED UP SO FAMILIES CAN FEEL SAFE USING IT TO CELEBRATE THE HOLIDAYS. HERE'S THE TYPICAL RESPONSE I GOT FROM MY 311 POST. THIS IS REVIEWED DAILY, ALSO THIS IS DONE AS A COURTESY. THIS IS BEYOND THE GATEWAY SCOPE. MY TEAM GOES OUT DAILY AS WELL AS PARKS APD AND SECURITY. THE PARK IS ALSO UNDER JURISDICTION OF PARKS. I'M NOT SURE WHAT IS MEANT BY REVIEWED DAILY. I'M NOT SURE IT FALLS UPON THE COMMUNITY TO REPORT THIS WHEN IT SHOULD BE PATROLLED. WHAT A WASTE OF A BEAUTIFUL PARK. AYOU CAN SEE WHY WE'RE SCRATCHING OUR HEADS WHEN WE'RE DISMISSED BY VIRTUE SIGNAL SIGN. WHEN YOU SEE A BEAUTIFUL RENOVATION TO LOS ALTOS AND ALL WE WANT TO DO IS CLEAR ENCAMPMENTS. >>COUN. DAVIS: BEFORE WE GO TO THE NEXT SPEAKER I SEE DIRECTOR SIMON. DIRECTOR, COULD YOU HELP US REALLY QUICKLY. I WANT AN UPDATE ON THE STATUS OF THE MAINTENANCE AT WILSON PARK AND WHILE I'M COMING I WANT TO ASK THAT -- THIS MAY BE A FAMILY AND COMMUNITY THING, BUT WILSON PARK IS WITHIN THE QUARTER MILE RADIUS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AGREEMENT FOR THE GIBSON CENTER TO DO ENCAMPMENTS ON A DAILY BASIS. BUT THAT HAS BEEN A CHALLENGE FOR US. MAYBE YOU CAN HELP US FOLLOW UP WITH THAT. I KNOW MY OFFICE HAS BEEN GETTING UPDATES. I UNDERSTAND THERE'S ISSUES WITH SPRINKLERS OR OTHER THINGS IN THE PARK. AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE PARK. CAN YOU GIVE US AN UPDATE? I KNOW THIS IS AN ONGOING ISSUE. >> SURE. COUNCILOR DAVIS, THANK YOU INTEREST THE QUESTION. I APPRECIATE THE CITIZENS ENGAGEMENT AND THEIR CONCERN FOR THIS PARK AND ALL PARKS OVER HERE AT LEVEL OF CITIZEN CONCERN. THE FIRST THING I WOULD SAY IS ABOUT TWO-THIRDS OF THE MONEY WAS SPENT ON THE POOL. IN THAT PROJECT. AND THAT TWO-THIRDS OF THE PROJECT IS GOING SIMMINGLY. THAT IS PART OF THE SUCCEEDING VERY WELL. YOU CAN'T FORGET THAT WE INVESTED MONEY FOR A TWO-PARK APPROACH THERE. AND A LOT OF IT IS GOING WELL. WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO BUILD ON THAT. NOW, IN THE PARK SIDE, OF COURSE YES. WE DESIGNED THAT PARK WITH CERTAIN GOALS IN MIND. SOME OF WHICH HAVE WORKED VERY WELL. FOR EXAMPLE, OUR NEW PARK DESIGN APPROACH TO FENCING. IT WAS INTENDED TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF LARGE OBJECTS THAT COULD GET INTO PARKS. IT WORKED. IT HASN'T SOLVED THE PROBLEM OF OBJECTS BEING NOT IN THE PARK, BUT CLOSE BY. IT ALSO IS NOT ADDRESSING THE ISSUES OF FIRST AMENDMENT USES OF THE PARK. AND THOSE ARE AMONG THE MOST DIFFICULT ISSUES FOR US AS A CITY TO WORK WITH. I DO THINK AND APPRECIATE OUR CITIZENS REPORTING BECAUSE SHE'S ACCURATE WHEN SHE REPORTS WE'RE THERE FREQUENTLY. ALMOST DAILY. APD IS ALMOST THERE DAILY. ACS ARE LITERALLY WITHIN THE PARK DAILY. AND WE'RE DOING OUR BEST. I THINK THAT DIFFERENT STRATEGYERIZE NEEDED. TO REALLY ADDRESS THE FULL RANGE OF CHALLENGES WE HAVE. AND WHEN IT COMES TO GRASS AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT WE'VE GOT PLANS TO FIX WHAT WE CAN FIX THERE AND BRING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE SUFFERED SOME IMPACT BACK. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. WOULD YOU DO US A FAVOR AND GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THE MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR WILSON PARK AS IT IS TODAY? LET ME ASK QUICKLY BECAUSE WE HAVE A COUPLE SPEAKERS. YOU MENTIONED WE NE A NEW APPROACH, IT'S SOME OF THE OTHER PARKS. WHEN WE HAVE THE 311 RESPONSES AND SOMETIMES APD GOES AND PAS GO AND SOMETIMES ENCAMPMENT DEPENDING ON WHATAGIC WORDS GET INTO IT. YOU SAY W NEED A NEW RESPONSE, WHO IS RESPOIBLE FOR COORDIING TT TO GIVE THE CITY RESPONSE AND COORDINATE SO WE'RE NOT DOING ONE AND ONE AND ONE EVY DAY? COUNCIL PRESIDT, IF THE'S AN ENCAMPMENT ISE, OR AN ISSUE WE RECOGNIZE PROACTIVELY, AND IT'S ON A PARK, FIRST OF ALL IT'S A PORITY ONE FOR IMMEDIATE RESPONSE. AND AT RESPONSE IS PARKS TAKES THE LEAD ON ENCAMPMENTS ON PARK PROPTY. SOMETIMES WE DO NEED APD TO ASSIST US. AND THAT TM THEN APPROACHES THE ISSUE. THE OTHER SOCIAL SERVICESND OUTREACH THA DEPARTMENTS AFTER, OF COURSE, CONTINUAY. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO DIRECT SPONSE THAT IS OUR TO COORDINATE. D WE DO. >>COUN. DAVI THANK YOU. WE SHOUL FOLLOW UP ANDELP US GU OUT, IT'S NOT JUST THIS PARK BUT THERE ARE FT SINCE THELOSURE OF CORONADO PARK ARE TAKING MOR THAN THEIR FAIR SHARE ALL ACROSS THECIT I DOT WANT TO EXEND THIS PART OF THE MEETING. MAYBE OVER THE BREAK I'D LOVEO REEVALUA HOW WE TRIAGE THOSE. WHO RESPONSIBLE FOR IF WRE TTING SO MY -- WHEN WE GET ABE SO MANY DLY CAWHO IS RESPONBLE R THE BIG PTURE PLAN I THINK IT'S A GOOD CONVERSATN R US TO RETN TO. IPPRECIATE YOUR HELP. THANK YO SIR. >>UN. DAVIS: I'M SOR, MR. CORNELLIOUS. >> THANKOU MR. PRIDENT. R NEXT SPEAKER I EVEN FOLLOW BY SHIRLEY. >> GOOD EVENING, M IDENT. IAS TELLING SOME FENDSBOUT USING FORWARDHEN A YOUNG WOMAN WH RECENTLY MOVED TO ALBUQUERE REPLIED WELCOME TO SAN DIEGO. I SAID WHAT D YOU MEAN. SHE SAID,ND I QUOTE, THIS D IS T SAN DIEGO AND IT WAS SUPER HARD TO AFFD LIVING ERE. EVENHE OLDER NEIBORHOOD I S IN FORIVE YEA HAD TORN DOWN O D TUEDHE LOTS ION SANE SUPER-EXPENSIVCOO APARTNTS PROPPING U CONSTTLY. MADE MY RENO THE HOUSE TNED IO A B&B BYEOPLE I NER SAW. ERE'S FIRST-HDEXPERICE. AS A CTIFIED RL ESTATE SER I THINK PEOEHED TO KNOWHEYAN PUT ADU WITH A CONDITIONAL RMIT. THEY'REOTEAP. I THINKT WASOING TO COST OUT $125,000 T BUILD ONE O THE BAYARD. BECAUS YOU BUILD A BLDING DOESOT INCREASEHE VUE OF THE PROPTY. IN FAT, IF YOU END UP BEG JOINING TO A LTI-FAMILY PROPTYT LERE VALUE THE PROPER. OVER 800PLE HAVE SIGNED A PETITION ASKINOU TO VOTE NO ON O-22-54. AND I AM ALSOSKING YOU TO VOTE NO O O-225. -- 54. THANYOU. >> SHIRY. >>R. PRESIDEN S MAYE EXPERIEGECHNAL DIICULTIES. I'LL CONCT H TO SEE H I N HELP. AT CONUDES GENER PUBLIC COMMENT. >>UNDAVI WE APPRECIATELL E SPEAKERS AND FOROUR AENTION THIS EVENIN WEAVE APPEALS OR OVALS. WE'RE GOINGO MOVE TO FAL TION WE'RGOING TO TEP ITEM B. MADAM CHAI WE'LL GET YOUN JUST SECO WHICHS 144. ITEM B. >>COUN. BENT: THK YOU, M PRESIDT. R-1441 APPROVING A JOINT POWERS AGREENBETWEEN T CITY ALBUQUERE AND COUNTY XH OF BERNALIL COUY ESTABLHIN THE MIDDLE RIO GRANDE HOUSING COLLABORATE. I MOVE DO PASS. MR. PRIDENT, WE ALSO HE A OOR SUBSTITUTE. I THK E ONLYHING TS DOES IS CHANGE THETITLE. SO IL MOV THE - AUALLY I THINK I HAVE TO AS THEULES BE SUSPENDE FIRST BEFORE W CAN CONSIDERT TONIGHT. >>COUN. DAVIS:ET MOVE THE FLOOR SUB AND THEN WE'LL DO A SUSPSION. >>UN. BENTON: MOVE SUBSTITU. >>UNDAVIS: ANY DISCSION SEEING NONE ALTHOSE IN FOR PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. COLOR LEWIS, HOW DO YO TE? AT'S UNANIMS. UNCIR BENTON, YONEED A RULESUSPENDE >>UN. NTON: I MOVEHE RUS BEUSPENDED FORR-144 TO BE ADOPTED THE SAME EVENI IT'S BSTITUTED. >>COUN. DAVIS:LL THOSE I FAVOR F ALLOWING THO BE ADOPTED Y YES. I'M SORRY,OUNCILORBASSAN >>COUN. BA: . PRESENT, BERE I DECIDE ON WHETHER OR NOT I'M WIING TO PROCE ADNG THIS TONIGHT, IOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IT'S DOG. I'VE REA IT. I THK WE SHOULDEA ABOUT I BERE WE SAY THAT BECAUSE THE PUBL MIGHT WAN TO KNOW TOO. EXACTLAT THIS IS DOIN WHEN IT MOVING VE QUICKLY. CO. DAVIS: THE MOTION FOR THE RULES SUSPENSION. WHY DON'T WEET YOU INTRODUCE THE BI AND TAKE THE COMMISSIONER A PUBLIC SPEAKERS. >>COUN. BENTON: RE. IT'S A E-PAGER. >>COUN. BEON: BASICALLY, THI IS A COMPANION RESOLUTION. THE UNY CMISSION CHAIR IS HERE TO SPEAK TO IT. THEY PSED . BELIEVE, UNANIMOUSLYAST NIGHT. AND IS REALLY SAYING WE' GOING TO WOR GEER ON HOUSING. IT DOESN'T GO INTO A LOT OF DETAIL AUT IT. YET. BUT THE CREATIONF A COLLABORATIVE, I THINK WT WE HA INTENDED THUS FAR, IF COULD SUMMARIZE IT, ISHA WE NEED AN ENTITY THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM OUR HOUSING AUTHORITY. THAT'S DIFFENT FROM WHAT THE FAMILY AND COMMUNITY SERVICES DOES. ALTHOUGH IT COULD TKE ON SOME OF WHAT BOTH THOSE ENTITIESDO BUT IMPORTANTLYT'S FOCUSED ON THE DEVELOPMENT AND PRODUCTION. NOT FOCUS ONOUSING VOUCHERS, NOT FOCUSING ON ACCOUNTS OF PEOPLE ON THE STREET THAT W KNOW ARE PROBLEMS. RATHER FOCUSING ON THE ACTUAL IDENTIFICATION OF SITES AND CREAING PARTNERSHIPS WITH BOTH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE ENTITIES TO BUILD MORE HOUSING. A LOT OF WHAT WE DO CURNTLY ANDISTORICALLY IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE IS LOW INCOMEAX CREDITROJECTS WE COMPETE WITH THE REST OF THE STATE. WE ARE LUCKY TO GET ONE EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS. WE'LL GET A TAX CREDIT AWARDED TO A CONTRACT. THAT TYPICALLY DOES NOT PRODUCE MORE THAN 50 MAXIMUM, 100 DWELLING UNITS EVERY TWO YEARS. WE'RE REALLY FOCUSING ON THE EFFORTS OF BOTH ENTITIES AND THIS IS VERY ASPIRATIONAL. I HAVE TO SAY I'VE BEEN IN MEETING WITH STAFF AND ELECTEDS, IT WILL BE A FIRST IN THE FIELD FOR THE CITY AND COUNTY TO WORK TOGETHER. THAT'S WHAT IT'S ABOUT. TRYING TO KEEP THE SAME TIMELINE. THE REASON WE FEEL WE NEED TO GET IT PASSED TONIGHT IS BECAUSE THEY PASSED IT AND WE WOULD LIKE TO WORK ON IT DURING THE SUMMER BREAK. AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I'M SURE COMMISSIONER BACA WOULD AS WELL. >>COUN. DAVIS: COMMISSIONER, WELCOME. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. HE SPOILED THE NEWS. BUT THEY DID THEIR JOB. >> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR DAVIS, THANK YOU, COUNCILOR BENTON. AND COUNCILOR BASSAN, YOUR QUESTION IS VERY RELEVANT. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO MOVE TOGETHER TO ADDRESS THE HOUSING CRISIS THAT WE ARE EXPERIENING AND AS WE ALL KNOW, A PROBLEM OF THIS MAGNITUDE NEEDS A MULTI-FASSED APPROACH. THIS IS A LONG-RANGE VISION. IT'S A JOINT POWERS AGREEMENT BETWEEN BERNALILLO COUNTY AND THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE WHICH I THINK IS UNIQUE BUT NOT SO MUCH IN THE COUNTRY THERE'S OTHER EXAMPLES OF THIS. WHAT THIS DOES IS SET THE STAGE AND SET US UP TO WORK TOGETHER. WE HAVE SEED MONEY THAT BOTH THE COUNCIL AND COUNTY COMMISSION HAS PUT FORWARD TO DO SOME OF THE INITIAL PLANNING. BUT WE ARE REALLY TALKING ABOUT A DEVELOPMENT ARM. THAT'S WHAT WE DO NOT HAVE IN THE CITY OR IN THE COUNTY. WE HAVE VERY GOOD SERVICES FOR PUBLIC HOUSING AND VOUCHERS. THIS WOULD BE AN ADDITION TO THAT. THIS WOULD BE STRONGER, AND BETTER TOGETHER IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ON THE COMMISSION LAST NIGHT. WE HAD A ROBUST DISCUSSION ABOUT THESE AND IT WAS PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. I AM HERE TO URGE YOUR SUPPORT FOR A VERY IMPORTANT PARTNERSHIP. AND OUR COUNTY MANAGER IS READY, AS WELL AS THE COMMISSION, IS READY TO WORK WITH THE ADMINISTRATION AND WITH THE CITY COUNCIL TO MOVE THIS FORWARD. BECAUSE I THINK IT REALLY DOES NEED ALL OF US AS A COMMITTEE AS A WHOLE. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. IF IT'S OKAY, WE HAVE A FEW PUBLIC COMMENTERS AND SPEAKERS. WE'LL LET THEM COME UP AND LET THEM SPEAK. >> WE HAVE WINTER FOLLOWED BY ANDREA. >> THANK YOU. MR. PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THE MIDDLE RIO GRANDE HOUSING COLLABORATIVE. AND I AM THE DIRECTOR OF THE NEW MEXICO EVICTION PREVENTION AND DIVERSION PROGRAM. WE HAVE BEEN FUNDED BY EMERGENCY RENTAL ASSISTANCE, FEDERAL FUNDS FOR THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF, ALMOST TWO YEARS. OUR OPERATION IS COMING TO A CLOSE ON THE END OF JUNE. FISCAL YEAR 24 BUDGET, IT IS UNCLEAR HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE ALLOCATED. AND BE PUSHED OUT. THE LAST ONE AND A HALF YEAR HAS GIVEN ME STARK INSIGHT INTO HOUSING CRISIS AND THE IMPACT ON THE MOST VULNERABLE IN THE COMMUNITIES INCLUDING NATIVE-AMERICANS. RFP PUT OUT A REPORT LAST MONTH. RENT HAS GONE UP BY 70%. SINCE 2017. WAGES HAVE ONLY GONE UP BY 15%. HOMELESSNESS IS UP BY 48%. 70% OF A -- EVICTION CASES HAPPEN IN BERNALILLO COUNTY METROPOLITAN COURT. 1% OF PLAINTIFFS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR 35% OF EVICTION CASES. 5% ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR 64% EVICTION CASES. THOSE ARE MAJOR COMPLEXES. MAY IS THE HIGHEST EVICTION FILING RATE WE'VE SEEN SINCE BEFORE THE PANDEMIC. WE ARE SEEING THE SPIKE AND THE -- THAT THE REST OF THE COUNTRY SAW. WE'RE SEEING IT AS WE ROLL BACK RENTAL ASSISTANCE. METROPOLITAN COURT USED TO HAVE FOUR JUDGES HANDLING EVICTION, NOW THEY HAVE 3. THEY'RE REVIEWING 25 CASES PER WEEK, NOW THEY'RE DOING 45. THE ECONOMIC SOLUTIONS NEED TO HAPPEN VERY, VERY QUICKLY. I THINK I ENCOURAGE YOU TO PURSUE THIS COLLABORATIVE BUT WORK WITH ALL OF THE OTHER WORKERS. THE GOVERNOR. NON-PROFITS. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. >> OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS ANDREA. >> THANK YOU. HAPPY BIRTH DAY. GOOD EVENING, COUNCILOR DAVIS, AND CITY COUNCIL. SIMILAR TO MS. TORREZ I HAVE SOME SUGGESTIONS FOR IMPROVING THE ESTABLISHMENT OF SUCH A JOINT BODY. I WANT TO TALK A MOMENT FIRST TO GROUND US IN THE HISTORY OF POLICY-MAKING AROUND NEW MEXICO. THERE'S A LEGACY OF RACIAL PREFERENCE NOT -- AT THEIR DEEDS THAT ARE IN THE FOOTHILLS OF ALBUQUERQUE OR NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WERE PRIMARILY MIDDLE CLASS NEIGHBORHOODS. AS WAS FOUND BY STEFB -- STEFEN SCOTT AT THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF HEALTH. HE FOCUSED ON HOUSING RESEARCH AND DISCRIMINATION WITHIN HOUSING POLICY IN NEW MEXICO. DURING HIS TIME AT UNM. THE LEGACY OF DISCRIMINATION POLICIES CONTINUES INTO 1921 THROUGH THE LAND LAWS ESTABLISHED POST WORLD WAR 1. AND DISCRIMINATORY PRACTICES PERSISTED THROUGH LENDING THE ALBUQUERQUE BANK AND THAT WAS ESTABLISHED BY THE SECURITIES MAP THAT IS AT THE UNM LIBRARY. IN 1968 YOU HAD AN URBAN RENEWAL PROGRAM THAT LAUNCHED ALBUQUERQUE INTO THAT PROCESS. SIMILAR GOVERNING BODIES THAT APPOINTED BY THE CITY AND BERNALILLO COUNTY THAT PERSISTED IN ESTABLISHING POLICIES THAT INCREASE SEGREGATION AND DISCRIMINATION OF RESIDENTS IN THE CITY. AND CONTINUE TO DO SO. SO MY SUGGESTION IS THAT THIS NEW GOVERNING BODY THAT IS ESTABLISHED TO STUDY POTENTIAL FOR DEVELOPMENT THAT THE CITY COUNCIL CONSIDER FORMING A JOINT COMMITTEE THAT ALSO INCLUDES ELECTED RESIDENT THAT WOULD BALANCE THE VOICE INCLUDED IN THE DECISION MAKING BODY. TO THAT END, I ENCOURAGE THAT THE APPLICATION PROCESS BE CREATED FOR RESIDENTS AND COMPENSATION FOR RESIDENTS TIME BE PROVIDED SUCH AS THAT PROVIDED FOR ADVISORIES FROM THE JOINT ENTITIES. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. >> I MATE TO SUGGEST ADDITIONAL I ALSO ENCOURAGE THE BODY BE CREATED WITHOUT RESIDENT VOICE WHICH IS KNOWN TO BE OCCURRING. THAT PROCESS IS RELATED TO EQUITY BE UNDERTAKEN DURING THE POLICY-MAKING PROCESS. CONSIDERING ESPECIALLY THAT WE'RE MOVING TOWARD MARKET DRIVING APPROACHES. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. >> THAT CONCLUDES COMMENT ON R-144. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'RE BACK ON THE QUESTION. I'LL ASK COUNCILOR BASSAN, YOU STARTED A QUESTION, I'LL LEAVE IT TO YOU IF THERE'S ONE THERE. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, COMMISSIONER BACA SAID THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT MAKES US STRONGER AND BETTER. WHAT IS THIS? WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN? THIS COLLABORATIVE. THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. I GETS THERE'S EXHIBIT A AND IT'S ABOUT PLANNING AND EVALUATING AND STUDYING. AND PRIORITIING AND FINDING EQUITY BUILDING INVESTMENT. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THIS COLLABORATIVE. I'M HESITANT TO DO SOMETHING IMMEDIATELY TONIGHT. SO, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THIS IS. WHAT ARE THE DETAILS OF THE AGREEMENT. AND WHAT IS THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY VERSUS THE COUNTY'S RESPONSIBILITY? SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT EXPLAINED IS IN THE FLOOR SUBSTITUTE THERE'S $500,000 BEING ALLOCATED IN ORDER TO DO THIS. THE CITY'S PONYING UP $500,000 WHAT IS THE COUNTY GOING TO PAY? WHO IS GOING TO MAKE THE DECISIONS? I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS. I SUPPORT THE COLLABORATIVE. I DON'T KNOW IF I'M GOING TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT IT WITH ACTION TONIGHT. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. YES, THIS IS THE SECOND TIME COUNCIL HAS CONSIDERED -- THIS IS THE SECOND STEP IN SOMETHING THAT WAS PASSED EARIER IN THE YEAR. AND AGAIN, UNANIMOUSLY BY BOTH BODIES, AS FAR AS I KNOW. THAT WEED -- BLJ THIS IS VERY SKINNY LANGUAGE IF YOU LOOK AT IT. IT'S SAYING WE'RE GOING TO WORK TOGETHER AND THAT WE WILL HAVE A JOINT POWERS UNDERSTANDING AS TO HOW THE BASICS OF HOW WE WORK. THIS IS HASHED OUT BETWEEN OUR CITY ATTORNEYS AND THE COUNTY ATTORNEYS. THEY'RE PAYING AN EQUAL AMOUNT. EACH ENTITY IS PUTTING IN A HALF MILLION TOWARD GETTING THE ADMINISTRATION GOING. WE WILL BE NEED TO HIRE A COORDINAOR AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. WHAT'S BEEN CLEAR IS, AND INVITE THE ADMINISTRATION TO SPEAK ON IT AS WELL, THERE'S A HUMAN RESOURCES OF THE CITY AND COUNTY THAT NEED TO BE WORKING TOGETHER. BUT THERE'S ALSO A NEED TO LOOK AT THE OVERALL RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO MEET THE NEED. AND THE NEED WILL NOT BE SOLVED AS PEOPLE HAVE SAID, NOT NECESSARILY BY ZONING REFORM. IT'S ONLY A SMALL PART OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE HAPPEN IN ORDER TO COMCLOSE TO MEETING THE NEED OF WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. THIS IS A STARTING POINT. AND THERE'S COMPLETE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE ADMINISTRATION, THE COUNCIL, AGAIN, GAVE ITS OKAY TO START MUVENING FORWARD, AND WE'RE READY TO START MOVING FORWARD. WE HAD AN AGREEMENT ON THE APA'S ARE IDENTICAL. AND THEY'RE INTENTIONALLY KEPT VERY CLOSE TO THE POINT. AND YEAH. THE REASON WOULD BE TO GET MOVING ON IT NOW. WHAT IT IS, COUNCILOR BASSAN, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY, MYSELF. WHAT I KNOW IS WE PUT A LOT OF EFFORT AND A LOT OF MONEY -- MOSTLY FEDERAL PASS THROUGH MONEY, AND THE MORE YOU HAVE OF LOCAL INVESTMENT AND THE MORE FEDERAL PASS THROUGH YOU'RE GOING TO GET, THE MORE TAX CREDIT PROJECTS YOU CAN BE SUCCESSFUL AT COMPETING FOR. BUT THE OVERALL INTENT IS TO BUILD CAPACITY. THERE ARE A LOT OF THIS BEING DISCUSSED BETWEEN THE TWO ENTITIES, THE CITY AND COUNTY, ABOUT BUILDING CAPACITY. ALSO ABOUT WORKING WITH CNM AND WITHIN THE INDUSTRY AS PEOPLE DESCRIBED TO BUILD AN INFRASTRUCTURE OF BUILDERS THAT WE'VE LOST SINCE THE GREAT RECESSION OF 2008 AND 2009. WE'VE LOST TREMENDOUS NUMBERS IN THAT AREA. A LOT OF GOOD DISCUSSION GOING ON. CAN I CHARACTERIZE THEM ALL? HAVE WE AGREED ON ALL OF THESE? FIRST WE HAVE TO AGREE TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS TO AGREE. THAT'S WHAT THIS IS. >>COUN. DAVIS: BACK TO COUNCILOR BASSAN AND WE'LL GO TO THE ADMINISTRATION. >>COUN. BASSAN: I STRUGGLE WITH WANTING TO ALREADY AGREE -- I MEAN, AGAIN, I THINK ON THE SURFACE THE JOINT POWERS AGREEMENT SOUNDS GRADE. I'VE ALWAYS WONDERED WHY WE DON'T WORK MORE WITH THE COUNTY WHY DON'T THEY WORK MORE WITH US. ALBUQUERQUE IS ALBUQUERQUE AND WE'RE IN THE COUNTY. I REALLY STRUGGLE WHEN I'M HEARING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO A LARGE ZONING REFORM. WHEN WE CAN'T EVEN GET THROUGH THIS PROCESS THAT WE HAVE COMING UP ON THE AGENDA. WHY THIS IS NECESSARY IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THE BUILDING CAPACITY IN HOUSING? WHY DO WE NEED A JOINT POWERS AGREEMENT? WHY CAN'T WE JUST WORK TOGETHER? I THINK IT'S RIDICULOUS THAT WE'RE GOING TO SPEND $500,000 TO HAVE AN AGREEMENT TO COME UP WITH A PLAN. I'M ALSO HESITANT BECAUSE GATEWAY IS A GREAT PLAN. IT'S TURNING INTO A FABULOUS PLAN OF PLANNING AND PLANNING. AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. AND I THINK THAT TO GET A FLOOR SUBSTITUTE TYPICALLY, MR. MOYA, TO GET A FLOOR SUBSTITUTE, TRADITIONALLY WE DON'T ACT ON IT AT THE SAME MEETING. IT WOULD BE THE NEXT MEETING IF WE GET A DECISION UNLESS WE VOTE TO OVERRIDE THAT? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN, YES THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO SUSPEND THE RULES IN ORDER TO ACT ON IT TONIGHT. >>COUN. BASSAN: OKAY. I JUST WONDER WHAT WOULD BE THE ALTERNATIVE IF THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN OR I MEAN HOW IS THIS NECESSARY IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH BUILDING CAPACITY? >>COUN. DAVIS: LET ME GO TO COUNCILOR PEÑA AND TAKE HER QUESTION THEN GO TO ADMINISTRATION AND COME BACK TO THE SPONSOR. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I'D ACTUALLY LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE ADMINISTRATION BEFORE I MAKE MY COMMENTS JUST BECAUSE I'M GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS OVER THE YEARS. AT MINIMUM, I WOULD LIKE TO GET A BRIEFING. I KNOW THIS CONVERSATION IS BEING HAD. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING ON. HE SAID WE'RE GOING TO SPLIT THE FISCAL IMPACT SAYS THE CITY WILL MAKE THE INITIAL CONTRIBUTION. THAT'S NOT WHAT IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S BEING SAID. I WOULD LIKE TO FIND OUT WHAT THEY CAME UP WITH OTHER THAN JUST WE'RE GOING TO PLANNING TO MEET TO COME UP WITH A PLAN. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE RESOLUTION THERE'S AN ATTACHMENT TO THE RESOLUTION THAT DESCRIBES A GENERAL STRUCTURE OF WHAT THIS JPA IS REALLY ABOUT. THE PURPOSE OF IT IS THE CITY AND COUNTY AGREE TO FOCUS ON THIS EFFORT WITH LONGRANGE PLANNING OF DEVELOPMENT OF PROPERTY FOR PLANNING AND CREATING AND PRESERING SAFE, SUSTAINABLE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND PRIORITIING AFFORDABLE HOUSING ASSETS. THE RATIONALE FOR CREAING A STRUCTURE LIKE THIS IS THAT AS WITH ANYTHING ELSE, YOU WILL HAVE TO SHARE RESPONSIBILITY TO THE TAXPAYERS FOR THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE AND THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS DO THE SAME FOR THE GOVERNMENT THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR OPERATING. THE ISSUE OF CREAING A JPA IS IF WE COMBINE FUNDS AND ASSETS AS IT RELATES TO HOW A -- HOUSING A STRUCTURE IS NECESSARY OR ELSE WE'RE ENDING UP WITH ASSETS THAT HAVE TO BE DISTRIBUTED AND MANAGED ACCORDINGLY. THE CHALLENGE HAS BEEN THROUGHOUT THE YEARS IS THAT THE COUNTY IS DOING ITS THING AND WE'RE DOING OUR THING. AND THE THE THOUGHT IS IF COMBINED TWO ENTITIES AND COMBINE RESOURCES THE FINANCIAL RESOURCES TO CREATE PROJECTS AND PROJECTS THAT HAVE LONGER TERM -- IF YOU WILL, IMPACTS ON THE HOUSING CRISIS BEFORE US, THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT ZONE CODES. NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. THE COUNTY ZONING IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE CITY ZONING. IN SOME INSTANCES THE COUNTY MOVES FASTER BECAUSE THE UNITS ARE NOT IN CITY LIMITS. THEY HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY. IN SOME OTHER AREAS WE HAVE MORE INTEREST IN DOING INFILL. WHERE WE HAVE PROJECTS THAT MIGHT HELP THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND WE FIND OURSELF WITHOUT RESOURCES AND THE CITY IS PART OF THE COUNTY AND THEREFORE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO POOL OUR FUNDS TOGETHER. MORE IMPORTANTLY, AS WE LOOK AT THE LONG-TERM, IF YOU WILL, OPPORTUNITIES WITH STATE, THEY MADE HOUSING A BIGGER AND BIGGER ISSUE. THEY ARE LOOKING AT REGIONAL APPROACHES FOR THE OPPORTUNITIES TO PUT THESE FUBDZ -- FUNDS INTO REGIONAL APPROACHES TO HOUSING. THIS MAKES SENSE IN THE -- IF YOU LOOK AT THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO POOL RESOURCES. THERE'S NO QUESTION AS COUNCILOR BENTON SAID, WE'RE WALKING DOWN THE PATH TO CREATE THE PLAN. PART OF THE FUNDS WILL BE UTILIZED TO HIRE FOLKS TO COME IN AND GIVE US THE EXPERTISE IN STRUCTURE IN TERMS OF HOW OTHER REGIONS HAVE PUT TOGETHER FUNDS AND WORKED ON PROJECT. ALSO ACCESS FEDERAL DOLLARS THAT WE MAY NOT HAVE THE OPTION TO ACCESS TODAY. IT IS A BIT OF AN ENDEAVOR TO PUT THESE TWO ENTITIES TOGETHER. AGAIN, TO MAYBE ADDRESS ONE COUNCILOR -- YOUR QUESTION, IF YOU DON'T DOIT IN A COLLABORATIVE MANNER OF THIS STRUCTURE, IT'S MY PERSPECTIVE THAT WE'LL ALL CONTINUE TO DO OUR OWN THING AND NEITHER ENTITY HAS ENOUGH MONEY TO DO ITS THING IN A WAY THAT MAKES IMPACT COLLECTIVELY. AND I THINK THIS IS THE START BRINGING THAT TOGETHER. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR PEÑA BACK TO YOU. OTHERWISE I'LL GO BACK TO COUNCILOR BASSAN AND I HAVE A COMMENT. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I ACTUALLY STILL THINK I'M SUPPORTIVE. EVERYTHING YOU TELL ME I'M SUPPORTIVE. I JUST LIKE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION. I DID READ THE COMMENTS THAT STAFF WRITE UP AND I'M INTERESTED IN WHO IS GOING TO BE THE DECISION MAKING BODY. I KNOW A COMMENTER SAID ABOUT COMMUNITY MEMBERS. I KNOW THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. I KNOW THE ALBUQUERQUE HOUSING AUTHORITY HAS COMMUNITY MEMBERS ON THAT BOARD. AND ALSO IT SAYS THE COMMISSION WILL HIRE THE PERSON. I'M JUST HAVING A FEW QUESTIONS. I'D LIKE TO BE BRIEFED ON IT. I SUPPORT THIS, I JUST WOULD WAIT FOR A BRIEF AND WE CAN DEIF -- DEFER IT. >> IF I MAY MAKE ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION BECAUSE I HAD THE SAME THOUGHT YOU HAD, COUNCILOR PEÑA, WHEN I SAW THE WORD COMMISSION THE FIRST THOUGHT WAS BERNALILLO COUNTY COMMISSION. THE COMMISSION REFERRED TO IS ACTUAL MEMBERS THAT WILL BE SITTING ON THE AUTHORITY, IF YOU WILL. IT WILL BE TWO APOINTED BY THE CITY, TWO BY THE COUNTY AND THE FOUR MEMBERS WILL APPOINT A FIFTH MEMBER TO BE THE GOVERNING STRUCTURE, IF YOU WILL. I HAD THE SAME -- WHEN FIRST READ IT, I THOUGHT IT WAS ALL BERNALILLO COUNTY. IT WAS THE TERM USED TO IDENTIFY THE MEMBERS OF THE AUTHORITY. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. LET ME GET MY COMMENT -- HERE'S WHAT I THINK. I THINK FOLKS WANT TO TAKE A BREAK AND I DO TOO. I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT. IT'S NOT A FIRST LOOK AT THIS AT THIS COUNCIL EVEN AT THE CITY LEVEL. WE PASSED RESOLUTIONS EARIER WITH OUR INTENT TO DO THIS. SUPPORTING TO DO THIS. I REALLY DO THIS AS A -- I'LL BE MORE BLUNT AND SAY I AGREE WITH MR. RAEL, WE'VE BEEN DOING OUR THING, THE COUNTY HAS BEEN DOING THEIRS. WE'VE MISSED OPPORTUNITIES. QUITE FRANKLY THE CITY CAN BE SLOWER GETTING THE PROJECTS OUT. THE MY EXPERIENCE IS THE CITY IS HAVING MORE HURDLES AND BURDENS. WE HAVE THE RULE THAT WE'LL ONLY DO DEVELOPMENT WITH NON-PROFITS BUT THERE'S NO REASON EXCEPT SOMEBODY JUST DECIDED THAT. THAT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE HURDLE THAT STOPPED US FROM DOING THAT. WHEN I LOOK AT THINGS THAT DO WORK WELL THAT DON'T MAKE THE FRONT PAGE OF THE PAPER EEVERY WEEK, THE WATER AUTHORITY IS A REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE. WE TOOK THAT OUT OF THE CITY YEARS AGO. LONG BEFORE I WAS HERE. LET THE CITY AND COUNTY APPOINT FOLKS. WE GIVE THEM A FUNDING STREAM. GIVE THEM A TASK AND THEY DO THAT JOB. THEY DO IT REALLY, REALLY WELL. AND THIS TO ME FEELS VERY MUCH LIKE THAT. WE NEED A NEW APPROACH AND MOVE FASTER AND PUT DOLLARS OUT OF THE DOOR FASTER. I THINK WE HAD MEETINGS WITH THE ADMINISTRATION IN THE LAST WEEK OR SO SOME OF US, I'M DON'TED IN THE NUMBER OF UNITS WE'VE CRATED WITH THE HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY THIS COUNCIL ALLOCATED WITH LACK OF A PLAN. PART OF THAT IS PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT, MATCHING DOLLARS FOR PRIVATE DEVELOPERS, ON PROJECTS THAT ARE SMART AND READY TO GO. THIS COULD DO THAT FASTER AND BETTER THAN WE CAN. SO, YOUR POINT ABOUT GATEWAY IS WELL-TAKEN. THERE'S A TON OF MONEY AND VERY LITTLE RESULT. I WANT TO PUT PROS IN CHARGE TO GET THAT DONE. I DON'T THINK IT'S NEW TO US. I ALSO TO BE HONEST, THIS NEEDS TO GET DONE AND GET STARTED. I WANT TO SEE FOLKS MOVING. THE INTENT IS TO HAVE FOLKS WORKING ON THIS OVER JULY AND BRING PLANS BACK AND APPOINT THE FOLKS. I THINK MY CONCERN IS DEFERRING IT NOW PUTS US TO THE MIDDLE OF THE FALL, ELECTIONS ARE HERE. WE MISSED MONTHS OF OPPORTUNITY. SO, I THINK MY INTENT WOULD BE IF THIS IS DONE NOW SO THE FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE IN THE BUDGET WE CAN START DRAWING THOSE DOWN IF THAT NEW GROUP OR COMMISSION CAN MANAGE THOSE APPROPRIATELY. AND WE OWE IT THE RIGHT TO AMEND IT. THERE'S A LOT OF WORK HERE. AND IT'S IMPORTANT AND A WAY TO MOVE MONEY FASTER ON A THING WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO. COUNCILOR BASSAN, BACK TO YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I'M PERSONALLY NOT COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD. I GET WE NEED TO KEEP THINGS TOGETHER AND STREAMLINED. I KNOW THAT THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME WE'VE HEARD OF THIS BILL. I KNOW WE VOTED ON IT. I UNDERSTAND THAT. I KNOW ALL OF YOU HAVE BEEN VERY DISCONTRACTED WITH A VERY -- I WISH I WOULD HAVE REACHED OUT FOR STAFF TO GIVE ME A BRIEFING BECAUSE I DIDN'T QUITE REALIZE IT WAS SUCH A BIG DEAL COMING UP AT SUCH A TIME THAT IT WAS GOING TO NEED SUCH SPEED. I'LL DO MY HOMEWORK. BUT, I STAND WHERE I STAND. >>COUN. DAVIS: THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES TO ALLOW THE RESOLUTION TO BE ADOPTED. PURSANT INRULES TWO-THIRDS NEEDS TO VOTE AFFIRMATIVE. COUNCILOR BENTON. >>COUN. BENTON: TO REITERATE I REALIZE THAT THIS MAY NOT MOVE FORWARD BASED ON THE DISCUSSION. I WANTED TO GIVE COUNTY COMMISSION CHAIR BACA TO RESPOND. THIS IS A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT. AND AGAIN, R-23-106 PASSED UNANIMOUSLY IN EARLY MARCH. IT DID DESCRIBE THE MIKE MAKE UP OF THE BOARD. IT DID SENT THIS MONTH AS THE DEADLINE FOR US TO COME UP WITH A JPA. AND COMMISSIONER BACA AND I HAVE BEEN HOLDING THE DEADLINE OVER THE HEADS OF LAWYERS AND FOLKS WHO HAVE BEEN TRYING TO CREATE THIS IN A VERY CAREFUL WAY. I'LL JUST LET HER GIVE IT ONE MORE STAB. >> COUNCILOR BENTON, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERN AND YOUR CARE THAT YOU'RE GIVING TO THIS. BUT I WILL TELL YOU THE COUNTY HAS ALLOCATED OUR HALF-MILLION DOLLARS TO THIS REALLY -- WE APPROVED OUR RESOLUTION TO CREATE THIS BACK IN FEBRUARY. IT WAS RIGHT BEFORE IT CAME TO YOU IN THE FIRST MARCH MEETING. WE HAD BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT AT THIS LEVEL. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE WORKING GROUP TO TRY AND FLESH THIS OUT. PARTNERSHIPS ARE REALLY HARD. WE ALL KNOW THAT. TO GET THIS TO WHERE WE ARE NOW BY THE DEADLINE WHICH WAS JUNE IS PRETTY AMAING AND I'M VERY PROUD THAT WE HAVE WORKED WITH ALL OF OUR LAWYERS ON BOTH SIDES. WE WORKED WITH STAFF ON BOTH SIDES. WE'VE MET WITH THE ADMINISTRATION. I BELIEVE THEY DO SUPPORT THIS. AND SO, I REALLY URGE YOUR SUPPORT TODAY BECAUSE YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT WHAT THIS CRISIS OF HOUSING IS WE'RE DEALING WITH. THIS IS ANOTHER TOOL. IT COULD BE THAT IT COULD BE A BIGGER TOOL IN THE FUTURE THAT'S NOT EVEN LOOKED AT YET. I AM OFFERING THIS AS A REAL PARTNERSHIP AND I WILL COMMIT MY SERVICES, PERSONALLY, TO ALL OF YOU TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT AND COMMIT THE COUNTY. AS I SAID, WE ADOPTED THIS LAST NIGHT UNANIMOUSLY AND WE'RE ALL IN. I HOPE THAT YOU AS OUR PARTNERS ARE ALL IN TOO. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I'LL BE QUICK. YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A FULL COLLABORATION, NOT WITH ME. I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T GET A BRIEFING. OF THE WORKING GROUP. DIDN'T CIRCLE BACK. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT DIDN'T CIRCLE BACK. I'M NOT NECESSARILY OPPOSED TO THIS. I DON'T KNOW ALL THE DETAILS OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE WORKING GROUP. WE TYPICALLY GET BRIEFINGS. I WOULD LIKE TO BE BRIEFED ON IT. PLEASE. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR BENTON. >>COUN. BENTON: MR. PRESIDENT. LET'S GO TO THE VOTE. I DID WANT TO SAY THE WORKING GROUP IS NOT MADE UP OF ELECTED. IT'S MADE UP OF STAFF BASED ON R-23-10F. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT FOR SUSPENDING THE RULES TO GET THIS DONE TONIGHT AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE WORK. >>COUN. DAVIS: MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES REQUIRES SIX. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. ALL THOSE OPPOSE? RULES SUSPENSION PASSES. WE'RE ON THE MOTION FOR FINAL APPROVAL. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU. NOW WE NEED TO MOVE THE FLOOR SUBSTITUTE? >>COUN. DAVIS: NOW WE'RE MOVING THE BILL. >>COUN. BENTON: WE'RE CONSIDERING IT AS SUBSTITUTED. THANK YOU. I THINK, I PRETTY MUCH SAID EVERYTHING I KNOW ABOUT IT. THIS IS ONE AREA WHERE WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ON THE OTHER BILL ABOUT STRUCTURE OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT. I MEAN, THIS IS AN AREA WHERE WE CAN DO SO MUCH MORE TOGETHER. AND WE HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE ADMINISTRATION ABOUT THIS AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY WERE ON BOARD WITH IT. AND I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES HERE FOR FINDING HOUSING. NEVER MIND HALF-MILLION EACH. LET'S JUST TRY TO GET SOMETHING RUNNING WITH FOLKS WHO CAN MOVE THE BALL FORWARD WITH -- AND DOING THE RIGHT RESEARCH AND PLANNING AND UNDERSTANDING OF THE LOCAL MARKET. I THINK IT'S REALLY REMARKABLE AND I'M ENCOURAGED WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER WITH THE COUNTY ON SOMETHING. AND WE PASSED THE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH TAX THAT WAS HELD VERY TIGHTLY BY THE COUNTY. I'M NOT KNOCKING IT. IT'S NOT PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THE COMMISSION ANY MORE. IT WAS HELD VERY TIGHTLY IN TERMS OF THE FUNDING. A FORMER COMMISSIONER O'MALLEY MAY WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT. I THINK THERE'S SOME NEW OPPORTUNITIES IN TERMS OF FUNDING THAT WE NEED TO DO. BECAUSE SCRATCHING AWAY FOR SOME HOUSING FUNDS EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS AND THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOU WHO SUPPORTED THAT, BUT THAT ISN'T GOING TO GET US WHERE WE NEED TO GO WITH THE PRODUCTION OF HOUSING AND THE CITY. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT TO MOVE THIS FORWARD AND GET THE WORK UNDERWAY. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'LL TAKE THAT AS CLOSE. SEEING NUP. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AS SUBSTITUTED SAY YES AND RARE RAISE YOUR HAND. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? ONE. IT CARRIES 8-1. THANK YOU, COUNCILORS. ALL RIGHT. THE COUNCIL IS GOING TO TAKE NORMAL DINNER BREAK. WE'LL TRY TO BE BACK BEFORE 8:30. WE'LL TAKE IT FROM EASIEST TO HARDEST. THAT WILL PUT IDO AT THE END. WE'LL SEE YOU IN ABOUT 30 MINUTES. >>COUN. GROUT: WE'RE READY TO START. IS EVERYBODY HERE? LET'S DO THIS. >>COUN. DAVIS: FOLKS WELCOME BACK TO ROUND TWO. WE'RE GOING TO START WITH R-141. THIS RELATES TO THE REDEVELOPMENT LEASING AND SALE OF MR DEVELOPMENT PROJECT WITHIN THE UNIVERSITY METROPOLITAN AREA. THAT DEVELOPMENT ENTITLED REDEVELOPMENT TEXT ABATEMENT APPLICATION AND AUTHORIING THE EXCLUSION AND DELIVERY AND LEASE AGREEMENT. I MOVE A DO PASS. I HEARD COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN FIRST. SECOND. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE -- WE HAVE A COUPLE SPEAKERS. LET ME GET TO THE SPEAKERS FIRST. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS DENNIS FOLLOWED BY TAD. TAD FOLLOWED BY DENNIS. >> MONITOR, PROJECTOR? >> I'M SORRY. >>COUN. DAVIS: IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S NOT WORKING. LET'S SEE WHAT WE CAN DO WITHOUT IT, FOR THE MOMENT. WE'LL PASS IT FOR FOLKS. >> I WANT IT UP HERE. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE CAN SHARE IT OR YOU TELL US ABOUT IT AND PASS IT AFTER. WHATEVER IS EASIER. GO AHEAD. >> I NEED IT. >>COUN. DAVIS: OKAY. YUP. WE HAVE A PICTURE, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND WE'LL GET BACK THAT TO YOU. >> THANK YOU. WELL, HERE IS NOT ONLY CHANING ZONING IS THE ISSUE. WHO WANTS TO LIVE ON OWN PROPERTY NEXT DOOR TO THREE-STOR -- THAT'S A VIOLATION OF THREE-STORY IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD VIOLATION ZONING LAWS. IN ORDER TO CHANGE IT, SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED TO FILE LAWSUIT. BECAUSE THAT'S ALL KINDS VIOLATION. THAT'S NOT THE WAY PEOPLE PURCHASED THE HOUSING NEARBY. THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY EXPECTED. THAT SHOULD BE CHARGED IN COURT OF LAW. NOW, LOOKING NOT ONLY TO BACKYARD BUT BEDROOM WINDOW FROM THREE-STORY UNIT. HOW WOULD YOU FEEL, ANYONE OF YOU? NOW THAT I PASSED TO YOU, THAT IS CITY PURCHASE CONTRACT DEVELOPER. CONTRACTOR FROM BELEN. WHO SHOWS ONLY PO BOX. OUR TAX MONEY GOES TO VALENCIA COUNTY IN BELEN. THOSE ARE THE MAIN ISSUE. AND WHY DOES COUNCILOR BENTON WANTED IT? HE WANT GETS PIECE OF BY FROM DEVELOPER AND SO ON. THANK YOU. >> DENNIS. THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: ALL RIGHT. MR. RAEL, ANYTHING FROM THE ADMINISTRATION? I THINK IT'S A STANDARD MR PROJECT. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCILAL? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT MATTER CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR. WE'VE DONE ITEM B. COUNCILOR BENTON, YOU'RE BACK. R-85. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. R-85 IS NUISANCE SUBSTANDARD DWELLING OR STRUCTURE IN NEED OF ABATEMENT AT 3709 LOMBARDI NORTHWEST 87105. SO RUINED DAMAGED OR DILAPIDATED TO BE A MENACE TO THE HEALTH PEACE OR SAFETY. HAT FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSE I MOVE DO PASS. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR JONES. COUNCILOR BENTON. >>COUN. BENTON: WE'LL HEAR FROM PLANNING DEPARTMENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: WELCOME BACK. GIVE US BRIEF HISTORY ON THIS PROPERTY. >> SURE. MR. PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 3709 HAS BEEN A NUISANCE PROPERTY FOR QUITE SOME TIME. WE'VE HAD CODE ENFORCEMENT VISIT THE PROPERTY 217 TIMES. OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS. APD CALLS FOR SERVICE HAVE BEEN 16. AFR CALLS FOR SERVICE HAVE BEEN ONE. CODE ENFORCEMENT AND SOLID WASTE BOARDED UP THE PROPERTY 19 TIMES. WE'VE CLEANED UP THE PROPERTY TEN TIMES. WE HAVE BEEN DEFERRING THIS ONE SINCE JANUARY WHEN I FIRST CAME UP. IS RACELL HERE? UNFORTUNATELY, SHE'S MADE PROGRESS WITH THE PROPERTY TO INCLUDE FENCING THE PROPERTY. CLEANING THE PROPERTY. BOARDING IT ON HER OWN. SHE'S SPILL EXPERIENING BREAKINS. HOWEVER THE STRUCTURES WHICH ARE THE MAIN CONCERN HAVE NOT BEEN ADDRESSED. SHE MADE A COMMITMENT TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT TEAM SHE WOULD UPIDATE US ON PROGRESS OR PLANS TO WHAT SHE WAS GOING TO DO. TO DATE, SHE HAS NOT SUPPLIED US WITH ANYTHING. THERE HAS BEEN NO MOVEMENT ON THE STRUCTURES THEMSELVES. THEY'RE STILL A NUISANCE PROPERTY. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. I KNOW WE HAVE DIRECTOR VARELA ON ZOOM. DIRECTOR, ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO ADD? ARE YOU JUST HERE FOR QUESTIONS? I THINK THAT'S A NO. COUNCILORS, ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILOR BENTON. ANYTHING FURTHER? ANYTHING TO CLOSE? [ INAUDIBLE ] >>COUN. BENTON: SORRY. IF THERE'S NOT ANY PROGRESS ON DEMOLITION, IS SHE IN TOUCH WITH YOU? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE HEARING? >> YES, SIR. >>COUN. BENTON: WE'VE COME TO A POINT WHERE IF THERE'S NO COMMUNICATION THEN WE START TO BECOME LIABLE, IN A SENSE. SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAVE HAD AND COUNCILOR PEÑA VOTES AGAINST THESE AND I UNDERSTAND WHY. I HATE TO SEE STRUCTURES REMOVED. SOMETIMES WE CAN HEAR THE OLD STORY WELL IT'S CHEAPER TO TEAR IT DOWN. IN THIS CASE, THERE'S ONE THAT'S REALLY ONE OF THE TWO BUILDINGS THAT'S REALLY BAD. THE OTHER ONE IS LESS BAD, I SUPPOSE. WE CAN'T GET COMMUNICATION FROM THE OWNER, I THINK WE'RE LEFT WITH NO OTHER COYS. -- CHOICE. >>COUN. DAVIS: SEEING NO COMMENT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR FOR R-85 SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? THAT MATTER CARRIES 7-1 WITH COUNCILOR LEWIS EXCUSED. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ AND COUNCILOR GROUT. P-1. IT GOES WITH R-131. WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION ON ONE AND TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON BOTH ITEMS WITH, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH SPONSORS. COUNCILORS P1. [ INAUDIBLE ]. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: P-23-1 ADOPTINGING A PROPOSITION TO BE SENT TO THE VOTERS REGULAR LOCAL ELECTION FOR PROPOING TO AMEND THE ALBUQUERQUE CITY CHARTER TO ADOPT A COUNCIL-MANAGEMENT FORM OF GOVERNMENT. THAT IS COUNCILOR GROUT AND COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. THE BILL PROPOSES TO SUBMIT A CITY CHARTER AMENDMENT QUESTION TO THE VOTERS. IT'S TO THE VOTERS. AT THE REGULAR LOCAL ELECTION NOVEMBER 7, 2023. IF APPROVED BY THE VOTERS, AGAIN APPROVED BY THE VOTERS, THIS WOULD CHANGE THE CITY'S FORM OF GOVERNMENT FROM THE CURRENT MAYOR-COUNCIL FORM TO COUNCIL-MANAGER FORM CONSISTING OF THE GOVERNING BODY AND PROFESSIONAL ADMIN STATER TO FUNCTION AS A CITY MANAGER AND CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER. I MOVE A DO PASS AND I HAVE A FEW MORE COMMENTS. >>COUN. GROUT: I WILL SECOND. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR GROUT TO SECOND AND WE'LL GO TO COUNCILOR SANCHEZ AND COUNCILOR GROUT AND OTHER QUESTIONS. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: WE'RE GOING TO GO TO ME FIRST AND -- OKAY. COUNCILORS, AS WE WERE GOING THROUGH OUR MEETING TODAY WE HAD -- I'M DIRECTING THIS TO THE COUNCILORS, WE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT INCIDENTS COME UP. COUNCILOR DAVIS, YOU SAID ONE OF THE COMMENTS TODAY WAS LET THE PROS DECIDE. WE ALSO HEARD FROM COUNCILOR BENTON TALKING ABOUT HOW HE SEES HOW THERE'S SUBSTANCE TO ACTUALLY HAVING CONVERSATION IN REFERENCE TO CHANING THE FORM OF GOVERNMENT BECAUSE WE SEE MORE OFTEN THAN NOT ADMINISTRATION THAT'S EITHER NOT PAYING ATTENTION, NOT LISTENING, NOT TAKING WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SERIOUSLY. SO, WHEN WE ASK QUESTIONS, WE SHOULD DESERVE AND GET AN ANSWER IN RETURN. AND IT DOESN'T HAPPEN. THESE KINDS OF THINGS HAVE BEEN GOING ON, I KNOW ONE OF THE PAST MEETINGS COUNCILOR BENTON SAID THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD THINGS THAT HAVE GONE AWAY AND WENT WITH THE WIND BECAUSE THESE CERTAIN THINGS WEREN'T LOOKED AT. THEY'RE GOOD THINGS. GOOD POLICY FOR THE CITIZEN. WE ALSO HEARD ABOUT THE PLANNING ISSUE WHERE THERE'S NO RESPONSE FROM THE ADMINISTRATION. WE ALSO HEARD ABOUT IDO ISSUES THAT WE HEARD FROM THE CITIZENS THAT THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH TRANSPARENCY ON THE IDO. WE HEARD ABOUT THE LACK OF BUS DRIVERS. WE ALSO KNOW WE HAVE A LACK OF POLICE OFFICERS. WE KNOW WE'RE IN A MAJOR CRIME PROBLEM RIGHT NOW IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. WE HAVE A HOUSING SHORTAGE. WE HAVE SO MANY ISSUES GOING ON IN ALBUQUERQUE THAT NEED LONG-TERM SOLUTIONS. SOLUTIONS THAT ARE GOING TO PASS ONE ADMINISTRATION CARRY ON TO THE NEXT ADMINISTRATION AND THE NEXT, AND THE NEXT. TO IN ORDER TO MAKE OUR CITY A BETTER CITY. THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT. IT'S ABOUT GIVING THE VOTERS A CHANCE TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR CITY IS A BETTER CITY. YOU KNOW, WHY CAN'T WE JUST LET THE VOTERS AND THE CITIZENS DECIDE? WHY DO WE HOLD THAT FROM THEM? IT'S UP TO THE VOTERS AND CITIZENS, THEY ELECT US. THEY PUT US INTO OFFICE TRUSTING WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS FOR THEM. IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT WE DON'T CLOSE THEIR MOUTHS. WE LET THE VOTERS MAKE THIS VERY BIG DECISION. THIS IS A DECISION THAT WE HAVE NOT GIVEN TO OUR VOTERS IN OVER 50 YEARS. 50 YEARS. THINK OF ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN 50 AND ALL THE DIFFERENT MAYORS THAT HAPPENED. THINK OF ALL THE DIFFERENT CITIES WHO HAVE BLOWN BY US IN ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT WAYS. INFRASTRUCTURE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT EL PASO, INFRASTRUCTURE IS ALL THE WAY OUT. YOU LOOK AT PHOENIX, INFRASTRUCTURE IS ALL THE WAY OUT. EVERYTHING IS READY TO GO FOR GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT. SO IMPORTANT THAT WE LET OUR VOTERS CHIME IN. WHEN YOU RUN FOR CITY COUNCIL, EACH RAN OF US RAN TO MAKE A CHANGE. WELL, INSTEAD OF CHANGE, WE'RE SEEING STATUS QUO. WE'RE SEEING A CITY NOT GROWING OR A CITY NOT DEVELOPING. I WANT TO BE PART OF POSITIVE CHANGE FOR OUR CITY. AND I HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT IF WE DON'T TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW WITH STATUS QUO SITUATION, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CITY THAT DOESN'T PROGRESS. IT DOESN'T MOVE FORWARD. IT DOESN'T HAVE TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY. AND I THINK IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT THAT MY FELLOW COUNCILORS WOULD TRUST THE VOTERS WHO ELECTED THEM TO MAKE THE DECISION WHETHER WE CHANGE OUR FORM OF GOVERNMENT. WE LOOK AT IT, WHAT'S GOING ON NOW? IN MY OPINION, AND EVERYBODY ELSE UP HERE BECAUSE WE MADE THOSE COMMENTS, THIS SYSTEM IS NOT WORKING. YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE PEOPLE IN POWER ARE NOT LIKING IT. THEY DON'T LIKE WHAT IS GOING ON HERE BECAUSE THIS IS ABOUT POWER. THIS IS ABOUT MONEY. THAT POWER REPRESENTS. IT'S NOT ABOUT THE PEOPLE. IT'S NOT ABOUT TRANSPARENCY. IT'S ABOUT SHOVING GOVERNMENT DOWN OUR THROATS. THE CITIZENS SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT AND THE ABILITY TO MAKE THE DECISION ON HOW THEY'RE GOVERNED. IT'S SO IMPORTANT. AND I HOPE THAT EVERY SINGLE COUNCILOR WOULD BE ABLE TO TRUST THEIR CONSTITUENTS TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION ON HOW ALBUQUERQUE MOVES FORWARD. AGAIN, NOT ABOUT US, ANYONE OF US HERE, IT'S ABOUT OUR CONSTITUENTS AND THE VOTERS AND IT'S ABOUT HOW THE VOTERS SEE OUR CITY GROWING AND DEVELOPING AND I THINK IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO LET THE VOTERS DECIDE. I HOPE THAT EACH AND EVERY COUNCILOR HERE, I'M VERY OPTIMISTIC, AND GOING TO UNDERSTAND THAT. AND BE A PART OF POSITIVE CHANGE IN OUR COMMUNITY. SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T SEEN IN 52 YEARS. THANK YOU. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. I DO AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAID TODAY. FOR ME, I WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE. I HAVE SEEN THIS CITY CHANGE NOT FOR THE GOOD. AT ALL. AND I KNOW ACROSS THE COUNTRY THINGS HAVE CHANGED. BUT, WHAT I SEE DIFFERENT ABOUT COMMUNITIES AROUND US IS THEIR FORM OF GOVERNMENT. OVER THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF I ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS. YOU GUYS PROBABLY FIGURED OUT I ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS. THAT'S HOW I LEARN. I ALSO GET ANSWERS. SOMETIMES I DON'T GET ANSWER. I WILL LET YOU KNOW THAT I ALWAYS GIVE MY QUESTIONS TO THE DIRECTORS AND WHOEVER THEY'RE DIRECTED TO. THEY ALWAYS KNOW MY QUESTIONS IN ADVANCE. SO I CAN GET SOME ANSWERS. SO THAT YOU CAN GET THOSE ANSWERS AS WELL. I'VE ALSO NOTICED A LACK OF CHANGE. I'M NOW ASKING THE SAME QUESTIONS THAT I ASKED A YEAR AGO. THEY HAVEN'T CHANGED. WE HAVEN'T SEEN PROGRESS. IF WE HAD A MANAGER THAT WAS NOT DOING THEIR JOB, AND NOT GETTING THE CHANGES AND THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AND IN A BETTER STATE, THEY WOULD LOSE THEIR JOB BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT MAKING PROGRESS. THEY'RE NOT MAKING THAT CHANGE. WITH THE MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT, THIS CAN BE POSSIBLE. I THINK WE CAN HAVE A BETTER DIALOGUE. WHEN YOU LOOK, AGAIN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CITIES AROUND US, THEY DO HAVE GROWTH. THEY HAVE HUGE GROWTH. THEY HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE GROWTH. THEY'RE PREPARED FOR THE JOBS TO COME IN. I DON'T SEE THAT HERE. AND IT'S TAKEN A WHILE. IT HASN'T BEEN JUST OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. IT HAS BEEN FOR A WHILE. WITH THIS DIFFERENT FORM OF GOVERNMENT IT WOULD NOT BE LIKE GOING BACK 50 YEARS, IT'S NOT THE SAME COMMISSION MANAGER. THEY WERE NOT ELECTED. THERE WERE NO DISTRICTS. COUNCILORS ELECTED TO REPRESENT DIFFERENT DIRECTS. THIS WOULD BE DIFFERENT. I AM BLOWN AWAY AT THE UNCLASSIFIED POSITIONS IN CITY GOVERNMENT. YOU GUYS SHOULD BE TOO. WHEN WE HAD A MAYOR TWO TERMS AGO, OR TWO MAYORS AGO, WE HAD 100 UNCLASSIFIED POSITIONS. THE NEXT MAYOR CAME IN AND HAD 300 UNCLASSIFIED POSITIONS. A LOT OF THOSE ARE NECESSARY. WE NOW HAVE OVER 600 UNCLASSIFIED POSITIONS. A LOT OF THOSE ARE POLITICAL APPOINTE APPOINTEEES. THAT'S NOT COOL. DO THEY ALL HAVE THE EXPERIENCE? DO THEY HAVE THE MERIT? DO THEY HAVE THE SKILLS? DO THEY HAVE BACKGROUNDS TO HOLD THESE HIGH-PAYING JOBS INTHERE'S A LOT. WE HAD A COUNCIL MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT, THE MANAGER WOULD HAVE TO HIRE BASED ON EXPERIENCE ON MERIT AND NOT ON WHO YOU KNOW. WE'RE NOT GROWING LIKE WE SHOULD BE. AND I THINK WE SHOULD LET OUR CITIZENS VOTE ON IT. MAKE THAT DECISION. WE CAN EDUCATE THEM. THEY CAN MAKE A CHOICE. I DON'T THINK A LOT OF THINGS ARE DONE BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. ALREADY PLANNED. I DON'T SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE -- A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS LISTENING TO THEIR CONSTITUENTS. I DON'T SEE ADMIN ALWAYS LISTENING TO CONSTITUENTS. AND I THINK THAT IF YOU HAD A MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT, THERE WOULD BE MORE ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY. AND WE COULD SEE THIS PLACE GROW. I REALLY DO. MY DAUGHTER IS LEAVING TOWN. THIS JUST HAPPENED IN THE LAST MONTH. SHE'S LEAVING THIS TOWN BECAUSE OF THE CRIME. BECAUSE OF WHAT IS ON THE STREETS EVERYDAY. SHE DOES NOT FEEL HER CHILDREN ARE SAFE. AND I DON'T BLAME HER. ONE OF MY -- SHE'S ALSO LEAVING BECAUSE OF THE EDUCATION DEPARTMENT. AND SHE WANTS BETTER FOR HER CHILDREN. AND I DON'T BLAME HER FOR THAT. I KNOW THAT SHE'S GOING TO GET MY GRANDCHILDREN TO BE SAFER AND THEY'LL GET A BETTER EDUCATION WHERE THEY'RE GOING. I KNOW THAT WITH 100% CERTAINTY. I HAD A CUSTOMER TWO WEEKS AGO COME AND TELL ME THEY'RE MOVING TO EL PASO. NO, THEY'RE MOVING TO LAS CRUCES TO BE CLOSER TO THEIR FAMILY IN EL PASO. BUT THEY'RE MOVING TO LAS CRUCES AND THEIR DAUGHTER WHEN THEY WENT DOWN TO TAKE THEIR DAUGHTER DOWN THERE, THE THIRD-GRADER SAID, I LOVE OUR NEW HOUSE I DON'T HEAR SHOTS FIRED. I DON'T HEAR SIRENS. THIS IS IN THE CITY DOWN THERE. IT'S SAFER. THEY FEEL SAFER. THAT'S SAD WHEN A CHILD IS MAKING THAT KIND OF A STATEMENT. THAT'S SAD. WE NEED TO BE DOING BETTER FOR OUR CITIZENS. WE NEED TO MAKE THEM SAFER. WE NEED TO -- WE NEED TO HAVE THEM -- WE'RE PROMOING THEM GETTING ON THE BUS AND NOT USING PERSONAL CAR. WE NEED TO MAKE OUR BUS SYSTEM SAFER. WE NEED TO MAKE OUR COMMUNITY SAFER. IF WE HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY IN GOVERNMENT, I FEEL LIKE IT CAN HAPPEN BETTER. I JUST WISH THAT WE WOULD GIVE THE CITIZENS AN OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE, NOT FOR US TO DECIDE, BUT TO GIVE THE CITIZENS AN OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE. IF THEY CHOOSE THEY DON'T WANT A FORM OF GOVERNMENT, SO BE IT. WE'LL KEEP WORKING ON AT IT. WE'LL KEEP GOING. I REALLY LIKE TO GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THIS, TO THINK ABOUT IT. THINK ABOUT THE POSSIBILITIES OF WHAT COULD BE. WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU TOO LITTLE THANK YOU TO THE SPONSORS. LET'S GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS TIMOTHY FOLLOWED BY JERALDO. >>COUN. DAVIS: WELCOME BACK. >> I DO HAVE A PRESENTATION. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE DON'T HAVE THAT ABILITY. WE'LL HAVE TO WING IT. >> SURE. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE DO HAVE OUR PRESENTATION PREVIOUS TIMES YOU PRESENTED. >> OKAY. I'LL GET THIS IN ORDER A LITTLE BIT. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILORS, FOR GIVING ME THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU AGAIN ABOUT THIS ISSUE. I'VE SPOKEN TO YOU ABOUT ISSUES RELATED TO HOUSING AND FORM OF GOVERNMENT AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I'VE REALLY APPRECIATED THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT YOU DO. I'VE STUDIED CITY COUNCIL FOR MY ENTIRE CAREER. THIS IS AS ENGAGED AS I'VE BEEN. YOU WORK INCREDIBLY HARD AND YOUR ROLES ARE INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT. THANK YOU. IN TERMS OF -- I'M GOING TO RESPOND IN SOME WAYS TO THE SPOKE -- TO THE PERSON THAT SPOKE FROM THE ICMA. IT'S A GREAT ORGANIZATION. IT'S AN ADVOCACY ORGANIZATION. IT'S AN ORGANIZATION THAT HAS BEEN AROUND FOR OVER 100 CAREERS. IT WAS -- YEARS. IT WAS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE REFORM MOVEMENT OF PUSHING THE COUNCIL MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT. THAT'S IS WHAT IT'S DESIGNED TO DO. IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE INFORMATION PRESENTED, AND I DON'T WANT -- I'M NOT ATTACKING HIM. HE'S NOT HERE TO DEFEND HIMSELF. IN TERMS OF THE LINKING. ALBUQUERQUE VERSUS PEER CITIES, I WANTED TO SHARE INFORMATION ON THAT. ALBUQUERQUE IS NUMBER TWO. IN TERMS OF THE RANKING. OKLAHOMA CITY IS NUMBER ONE. EL PASO IS BEHIND ALBUQUERQUE, COLORADO SPRINGS IS BEHIND THAT. SALT LAKE CITY IS NUMBER FIVE. TERMS OF BEST RUN CITIES ALBUQUERQUE VERSUS PHOENIX AND LAS VEGAS, ALBUQUERQUE IS FIRST. RANKING OF 27 WHEREAS PHENING -- PHOENIX IS 40. IN 2023, THIS IS INFORMATION UPDATED TO 2023 WITH POPULATIONS GREATER THAN 395,000, ALBUQUERQUE COMES IN FIFTH AMONG THE TOP TEN. I FEEL IN SOME WAYS THIS IS A SOLUTION IN SEARCH OF A PROBLEM. I THINK THAT'S BIGGER CONCERN SHOULD BE THE EFFECT IT'S GOING TO HAVE ON OUR DEMOCRACY GOING FORWARD. >>COUN. DAVIS: I SEE COUNCILOR GROUT AND I'LL GO TO COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. GROUT: I HAVE A QUESTION. ARE YOU PAID TO BE HERE? >> YES. >>COUN. GROUT: WHO DOES PAY YOU? >> THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. >>COUN. GROUT: WHAT ARE YOU CONTRACTED TO BE HERE FOR? >> I AM CONTRACTED TO PROVIDE RESEARCH AND CONSULTING SERVICES TO THE CITY. >>COUN. GROUT: AND IS THAT ON A MONTHLY BASIS? >> YES. >>COUN. GROUT: OKAY. THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. WOULD YOU SAY YOU'RE AN ADVOCATE FOR A STRONG MAYOR FORM OF GOVERNMENT? >> I AM. I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH COUNCIL MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT. I PUBLISHED RESEARCH IN THE LEADING JOURNAL FOR PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION STUDIES. PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION REVIEW. I'VE DONE A LOT OF COUNCIL MANAGER CITIES. I THINK THEY OFFICER -- OFFER A GOOD FORM OF GOVERNMENT FOR PARTICULAR KINDS OF CITIES. I DON'T THINK IT'S A PARTICULARLY GOOD ONE FOR OUR CITY, GIVEN THE DIVERSITY AND COMPLEXITY. I DON'T THINK THEY'RE WELL SUITED FOR LARGE CITIES IN THE UNITED STATES. WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT FORMS OF GOVERNMENT ARE ADOPTED AND PUT INTO PLACE IN A PARTICULAR TIME PERIOD IN A POLITICAL CONTEXT. THE CITIES IN OUR REGION THAT HAVE COUNCIL-MANAGER SYSTEMS THEY ADOPTED THOSE SYSTEMS DECADES AGO. AND THEY'RE PUSHED BY CONSERVATIVE BUSINESS INTERESTS. THERE'S A PARTICULAR GOAL IN MIND OF MAKING THE CITY MAKE LOOK LIKE A BUSINESS ORGANIZATION TO RUN MORE LIKE A BUSINESS. THAT'S FINE AS FAR AS IT GOES. WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT POLITICS IS AT THE ROOT OF THESE DECISIONS HISTORICALLY. >>COUN. LEWIS: SO YOU WOULD SAY THE COUNTY WAS FORMED IN THAT WAY TOO? >> WELL, I THINK THERE'S A SIMILAR KIND OF BENT THAT WAY. >>COUN. LEWIS: YOU'RE GENERALIZING BECAUSE ALL OF THE FORMS FOR THAT PUSH. >> COUNTY GOVERNMENTS ARE DIFFERENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: -- A LITTLE BIT MORE, RATHER THAN YOUR OPINION. I APPRECIATE YOUR OPINION. THAT'S FINE. I DON'T WANT TO DOWNPLAY THE OPINION. >> MY OPINION IS ROOTED IN EMPIRICAL RESEARCH. >>COUN. LEWIS: AND I KNOW YOU MENTIONED SOME OF THE RANKINGS, YOU LOOKED AT THE WALLET HUB RANKINGS AND COMPARED THEM WITH ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT -- I KNOW YOU'RE NOT SAYING THAT BECAUSE THOSE RANKINGS SHOW THE DAA WHERE ALBUQUERQUE IS THAT WE'RE OKAY. >> NO. I'M NOT SAYING THAT. I HAVE -- THERE ARE QUALMS WITH THESE MEASUREMENTS. WITH WALLET HUB, I HAVE NOT HEARD OF IT UNTIL THE PRESENTER LAST TIME WAS TALKING ABOUT IT. I THOUGHT I WOULD BUILD ON THAT TO PUT SOME OF THE DATA INTO CONTEXT THAT SHOWS UP IN A BETTER LIGHTED IN TERMS OF BEST RUN CITIES IN THE UNITED STATES. AT LEAST ACCORDING TO THIS ORGANIZATION. IT'S PRETTY CREDIBLE. I'M NOT HERE TO CRITICIZE THAT. I JUST PICKED UP ON THAT. >>COUN. LEWIS: IN MY RESEARCH ON WHY CITIES CHANGED FORMS OF GOVERNMENT, A LOT OF TIMES IT'S ROOTED IN SERIOUS CHALLENGES THAT THEY'RE FACING. AND MUCH OF IT WAS HAVING TO DO WITH PROBLEMS OF CRIME IN THE COMMUNITY. PROBLEMS WITH CORRUPTION. POLITICAL CORRUPTION. THE DESIRE FOR MORE ACCOUNTABILITY. THE DESIRE FOR -- YOU MIGHT CALL IT MORE OF A CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT. BIG CITIES ACROSS AMERICA, THERE'S STILL -- EVEN WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND HOW MUCH WE SPEND THERE'S STILL THIS SENSE THAT IN BIG CITIES ACROSS AMERICA THERE'S IMPORTANCE OF WATCHING OUR MONEY VERY CLOSELY REGARDLESS OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM YOU'RE ON. I FOUND THAT A LOT OF THE CHANGES TO GOVERNMENT STRUCTURES HAVE COME OUT OF THAT A DESIRE TO SAY LESS WATCH THE DOLLARS IN A WAY THAT CREATE THE BEST RETURN FOR YOU. AS A CITIZEN OF OUR CITY. THAT'S SOME OF THE RESEARCH I'VE DONE. AND SOME OF THE DATA THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR US TO SEE. I'M NOT -- I KNOW YOU'RE SHARING YOUR OPINION. BUT I ALSO KNOW YOU'RE SOMEONE THAT COMES OUT OF THE RESEARCH COMING TOO. THANK YOU. >> I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT IN RESPONSE TO THAT, THERE'S NO EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST THAT COUNTAL-MANAGER CITIES SPEND OR TAX LESS THAN MAYOR-COUNCIL. THAT IS FIRMLY ESTABLISHED. THERE'S NO RESOURCE THAT RELATES TO FORM OF GOVERNMENT TO CRIME RATES. THEY'RE ON A TOTALLY DIFFERENT SET OF CAUSAL FACTORS THERE. THERE'S VERY CLEAR EVIDENCE ABOUT THE NEGATIVE EFFECTS ON VOTER TURNOUT FOR COUNCIL-MANAGER CITIES. >>COUN. LEWIS: SIMPLY, ARE YOU ADVOCATING FOR NOT ALLOWING THE PUBLIC TO WEIGH IN ON THIS? >> I AM SUGGESTING THAT I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA FOR THE CITY TO PURSUE THIS. YOU KNOW, I AM -- >>COUN. LEWIS: WHAT WE'RE PURSUING IS ALLOWING THE CITY TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND WEIGH IN ON THAT. ARE YOU ADVOCATING AGAINST THAT? >> MY OPINION IS WHAT WE HAVE IS THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS. IN TERMS OF FORM OF GOVERNMENT. WE'VE GOT AN ELECTED MAYOR WHO IS STRONG, HAS STRONG EXECUTIVE POWERS, WHO IS ACCOUNTABLE DIRECTLY TO THE VOTERS AND A CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER. WE'VE HAD THAT FOR DECADES. WHICH ALLOWSTUSE HAVE THAT PROFESSIONAL MANAGEMENT THAT'S A PART OF THE COUNCIL-MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT. WE HAVE THAT. WE'VE GOT A COUNCIL AND A MAYOR THAT JOINTLY APPROVES THAT CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER. IN THAT SENSE WE HAVE THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS IN TERMS OF PROFESSIONAL MANAGEMENT. THERE'S ALWAYS PROBLEMS IN MANAGEMENT AND GOVERNMENT. WE'VE COME OUT OF A PANDEMIC. WE HAVE -- THERE'S A CRIME -- CRIME INCREASED. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR SANCHEZ AND MYSELF AND SOME OTHERS. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: WE JUST HEARD YOU GET PAID BY THE ADMINISTRATION. A STRONG MAYOR HAS HIRED YOU TO COME IN HERE AND ADVOCATE FOR HIS INTERESTS. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE HEARING TODAY. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE HEARING TODAY. YOU GET A PAYCHECK FROM THIS ADMINISTRATION. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S HAPPENING WITH EVERYBODY ELSE. HOW MANY MORE PEOPLE DOES THIS ADMINISTRATION PAY TO COME AND DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING? WE'RE HERE AS CITY COUNCILLORS TRYING TO HEAR WORDS FROM THE CITIZENS NOT FROM A PAID ADVOCATE. WE WANT TO HEAR PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT ON THE PAYROLL. WE WANT PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY HAVE AN INTEREST OUTSIDE OF THAT. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HEARING. WE'RE HEARING THE PAID ADVOCATES. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HEARING. YOU DOWNTOWN HEAR THAT USUALLY IN CITY COUNCIL. MY QUESTION IS TO MR. RAEL, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE ADMINISTRATION CONSTANTLY DOES AND DOES THAT TO US WHEN WE'RE HERE THINKING WE'RE GOING TO HEAR CITIZENS OR SOMEBODY THAT'S LITERALLY TALKING ON BEHALF OF THEMSELVES? I'M ASKING MR. RAEL. >>COUN. DAVIS: PROFESSOR, WE HAVE A PROCESS. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I WANT TO KNOW IF THIS IS A COMMON THING THAT THE MAYOR, THE STRONG MAYOR IN THE ADMINISTRATION THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH RIGHT NOW HAS NUMEROUS PEOPLE RIGHT NOW HIRED TO COME IN HERE ON BEHALF OF HIM AND ADVOCATE FOR HIS INTERESTS WHEN WE THINK AS CITY COUNCILLORS THAT WE'RE HEARING GENERAL PUBLIC OR HEARING PEOPLE WHO ARE HONESTLY WANTING TO GIVE US FEEDBACK. THIS IS NOT HONEST FEEDBACK. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, FIRST LET ME SAY, NO, THAT IS NOT A COMMON EXPERIENCE. WE HIRED AND PROVIDED THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS GENTLEMAN TO GIVE US RESEARCH AND INFORMATION AS A RESEARCHER WHO STUDIES THESE FORMS OF GOVERNMENT AND HAS TO PROVIDE US A PROFESSIONAL REVIEW OF HOW THESE GOVERNMENTS ARE STRUCTURED ACROSS THE COUNTRY. TO PROVIDE US WITH BASELINE INFORMATION. UNLIKE THE -- SIMILAR TO THE PERSON YOU HAD THAT MADE THE PRESENTATION ON YOUR BEHALF, ON BEHALF OF YOUR PROPOSAL FROM ICMA, WHICH -- >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THAT INDIVIDUAL WAS NOT PAID. >> IT DOESN'T MATTER, MR. PRESIDENT, HE'S AN ADVOCATE FOR THAT FORM OF GOVERNMENT. WE HIRED SOMEONE TO GIVE US BACKGROUND INFORMATION AND PROVIDE US WITH THAT INFORMATION. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: IF WE WOULD HAVE HIRED SOMEBODY TO COME IN HERE AND ADVOCATE FOR US, WE WOULD AT LEAST LET YOU KNOW THIS IS A HIRED ADVOCATE THAT CAME ON OUR BEHALF. THAT INDIVIDUAL WAS NOT HIRED. AT ALL. HE WAS TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING. JUST LIKE THE CITIZENS OF ALBUQUERQUE TRIED TO DO THE RIGHT THING. JUST LIKE ANYBODY WHO HAVE COME IN HERE AND SPEAK THEIR MINDS. THAT'S NOT A PAID ADVOCATE. WHAT YOU'RE TEALING ME IS YOU HIRED A PAID ADVOCATE TO COME IN HERE AND ADVOCATE FOR EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTS AND TO ME THAT DOESN'T SOUND RIGHT, AT ALL. AND THAT IS THE PRIME EXAMPLE WHY WE NEED TO CHANGE AND DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT IN ALBUQUERQUE BECAUSE THERE IS REALLY NO CHECKS AND BALANCES IF THE ADMINISTRATION CAN JUST KEEP THAT UNDERCOVER AND WE FIND IT OUT JUST LIKE THIS. THERE'S OTHER THINGS WE FIND OUT JUST LIKE THIS. YOU KNOW, WE FIND OUT ABOUT WHERE THE MAYOR HAS SOMEBODY COVERING CITY COUNCIL OR CITY GOVERNMENT AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WRITES A BOOK. AND WE HAVE A TURF IN ANOTHER AREA IN ANOTHER CITY THAT WE FIND OUT LATER THAT SHOULD BE HERE. ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE EXACT REASONS. YOU'RE A PRIME EXAMPLE, MR. KREBS, WHY WE NEED TO ACTUALLY CHANGE THIS FORM OF GOVERNMENT. PRIME EXAMPLE. >>COUN. DAVIS: BRIEFLY, COUNCILOR JONES, MYSELF, AND I'LL GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITIED -- OPPORTUNITY. >>COUN. JONES: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. FIRST OF ALL, MY APOLOGIES MR. KREBS. YOU'RE ASKED TO COME HERE AND GIVE YOUR OPINION. YOU WERE NOT ASKED TO COME HERE TO BE QUESTIONED LIKE A CRIMINAL. I APOLOGIZE. THAT'S NOT THE WAY OUR CITY NOR COUNCIL NORMALLY WORKS. DO I THINK THINGS HAVE BEEN HAPPENING THAT MAYBE SHOULDN'T HAPPEN? I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN INFORMATION ABOUT ANYTHING THAT ARE VALID TO MAKE THIS KIND OF AN ACCUSATION THIS STRONGLY. INAPPROPRIATE AND UNPROFESSIONAL. I'M DISAPPOINTED IN YOU, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. WE HAVE A FORM OF GOVERNMENT THAT HAS BEEN WORKING. AND WE'VE BEEN VERY COMFORTABLE WITH IT AND IT'S WORKED WELL. I AM NOT SURE I'VE BEEN ON THIS COUNCIL AS LONG AS ANYBODY ELSE. AND WE'VE HAD SOME GOOD MAYORS AND NOT SO GOOD MAYORS. AND IT IS OUR JOB AS A COUNCIL TO PROVIDE THE CHECKS AND BALANCES ON THIS SYSTEM. IT IS OUR JOB TO HOLD THE CITY AND SEND IT IN THE DIRECTION WE THINK IT SHOULD BE IN. WE SHOULD HAVE A LOT OF POWER. AGAIN, MY APOLOGIES. AND WE'RE NOT HERE TO VOTE FOR OR AGAINST YOU, SIR. >>COUN. DAVIS: LET ME WRAP THAT UP. I DO SAY, I AGREE AND UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN AS A GENERAL RULE WHEN SOMEONE COMES AND THEY'RE PAID BY A DEPARTMENT IN THE CITY ADVOCATINGEE DISCLOSE THOSE THINGS. MY CONCERN IS I DON'T THINK FOR A MINUTE THAT PROFESSOR KREBS WOULD HAVE COME AND SPOKEN FOR SOMEONE TO PAY HIM FOR A POSITION. HE HAS RESEARCH AND AN OPINION AND HE BROUGHT IT TO US AND I HAVE NO ISSUE PAYING A PERSON TO COME IN THEIR PROFESSIONAL CAPACITY. MY CONCERN IS NOT THAT THE ADMINISTRATION PAID SOMEONE TO PROVIDE RESEARCH ON A TOPIC THAT WAS COMING FROM CITY COUNCIL. IT'S THAT I DID SPEAK TO THE MAYOR'S OFFICE OF WHETHER HE WAS PAID FOR THAT WORK AND WEATHER HE'S AVAILABLE TO CITY COUNCIL AND I WAS REQUESTED TO GIB -- GIVE HIM TIME BEYOND THE NORMAL TIME BECAUSE HE WAS PRESENTED AS A RESEARCHER FROM THE UNIVERSITY WITH PUBLIC DATA NOT PAID FOR BY THE ADMINISTRATION. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT ROLE. BECAUSE WE ASK THAT QUESTION AND GOT A DIFFERENT ANSWER. I'D LIKE TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THAT CAME FROM AND HOW WE CAN REMEDY THAT. >>COUN. LEWIS: MR. PRESIDENT. I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THAT EITHER. THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS WE GET ADVICE FROM DIFFERENT PEOPLE AND I BELIEVE I WAS EXTREMELY RESPECTFUL TO THE PROFESSOR. I APPRECIATE HIM COMING TONIGHT. I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE CLARIFY THAT. AND ALSO I THINK WE MISSED OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR AND HAVE GOOD RESEARCH, TO BE HONEST. IF WE PAID FOR THAT, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE MORE RUFRP -- RESEARCH. WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON THIS IN A LITTLE BIT. I THINK WE MISSED AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A FURTHER DISCUSSION THAT WOULD HAVE HAD A FURTHER DEBATE WITH THE WHOLE LOT MORE TO LOOK AT. >>COUN. DAVIS: I THINK I AGREE WITH YOU. MR. CORN EELIOUS. WE'RE BACK TO YOU. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS GERALDO. FOLLOWED BY TAD. >> OKAY. FIRST OF ALL, GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL PRESIDENT, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, ALL THE COUNCILORS SERING OUR COMMUNITIES. I AM A FIRST-GENERATION AMERICAN FILIPINO RETIRED FROM THE CITY. PRACTIING AS AN ALTERNATIVE HEALTH DOCTOR IN ALBUQUERQUE. I'VE BEEN HERE 30 YEARS. I'VE BEEN HERE 30 YEARS ON THE WEST SIDE. FIRST OF ALL, I'M NOT A PAID ADVOCATE. I'M HERE FOR ALL OF US. I CARE ABOUT THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. I DO APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT WE ALL LOVE ALBUQUERQUE AND CARE FOR THE HOMELESS. FROM TIME TO TIME MY FAMILY AND I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE AND FEED THE HOMELESS IN OUR CITY. MOVED TO THE WEST SIDE DUE TO SAFER NEIGHBORHOOD. AVOIDING TRAFFIC CONGESTION. AND THAT SAID, I WORK FOR THE CITY AND I'VE SEEN THE DOWNWARD SPIRAL. PERHAPS, COUNCIL-MANAGER GOVERNMENT HAS BETTER SOLUTION TO CRIME, SAFETY, HOMELESSNESS DUE TO TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY. THERE ARE PLENTY OF OPEN SPACE IN WEST SIDE OF ALBUQUERQUE. FROM OUR PROPERTY THE GENTLEMAN THAT SPOKE EARLIER. I SPOKE TO HIM AND HE LIKED THAT IDEA. HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT HOW TRAFFIC AND PROPERTY VALUE AND ZONING ISSUE EFFECT THE SINGLE FAMILY. ONE LAST THING. I BELIEVE IN THE LONG RUN IF THIS PLAN PASSED IT WOULD CREATE MORE CHAOS WITHIN THE CITY AND COMMUNITIES ESPECIALLY IF THE MAYOR DOES NOT FOLLOW THE CHARTER. HE IS BREAKING THE LAW. WITH THAT SAID WITH TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY. PLEASE VOTE YES ON P-22-1. NO ON ORDINANCE 1. >> TAD FOLLOWED BY MIGUEL. >> HOW CAN I BELIEVE IT ANYTHING WILL GET BETTER? I SAY IT NOW. EVEN I DOUBTED THAT WILL PASS TONIGHT. NOW CRIME. HOMELESSNESS. RISING. NOT GETTING BETTER. ECONOMY CRISIS, EVERYWHERE. NO ACCOUNTABILITY. NO TRANSPARENCY IN THIS GOVERNMENT. CORRUPTION, YES I BELIEVE THERE ARE PLENTY OF CORRUPTION. WHERE IS PROGRESS? WHAT IS FUTURE FOR THIS CITY? WHAT IS VISION? I DON'T SEE ANY VISION. BESIDES CONSTRUCTION, THAT IS NO VISION WHEN IT COMES TO JOBS. CREAING MORE GOVERNMENT JOBS. WELL, OFFICES ARE LOCKED UP. FAMILY AND COMMUNITY SERVICES ARE LOCKED UP. SENIOR AFFAIRS LOCKED OUT. THAT'S NOT WHAT USED TO BE WAY BACK BEFORE THIS MAYOR. ALL THIS SPENDING LIKE SAILORS. IN THIS BUILDING. HOW CAN I BELIEVE IT IF I ASK FOR HOW YOU SPENDING OUR TAXPAYER MONEY? YOU ARE COUNCIL AND YOU'RE REFUSING. HOW CAN I BELIEVE IT? THANK YOU. >> MIGUEL FOLLOWED BY MATTHEW. >> PRESIDENT, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. I WANT TO THANKS THE SPONSORS. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, COUNCILOR GROUT, FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD. I THINK IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT DISCUSSION TO HAVE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY ABOUT HOW OUR GOVERNMENT SERVES OUR CITIZENS THE BEST. AND AS IF CONVERSATIONS IN MY OWN RESEARCH WHICH IS BASED IN COLLEGIATE FORMAT, BUT IN TERMS OF PHONE CALLS TO OTHER LABOR LEADERS ACROSS THE SOUTHWEST IN CITIES LIKE OURS. BOTH POLICE AND FIRE TO SEE HOW THEY DEAL WITH NEGOTIATIONS AND REPRESENTING THEIR MEMBERS IN A WEAK MAYOR SYSTEM. WHAT I FOUND IS THERE IS ONE CITY THAT ENJOYED IT BECAUSE THEY HAD A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH CITY MANAGER. THE REST DID NOT. THEY DID NOT HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP. IN MY POSITION I WOULD LIKE TO DEAL WITH SOMEBODY WITH EXECUTIVE AUTHORITY. FROM MY EXPERIENCE, IF YOU DELEGATE THE EXECUTIVE AUTHORITY AMONG THE COUNCIL, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY. YOU DON'T HAVE EXECUTIVE AUTHORITY. ONE PERSON HAS EXECUTIVE AUTHORITY. I ENJOY BEING ABLE TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION WITH THE CAO IN SPECIFICITY TO PUBLIC SAFETY THAT IS A FAST-MOVING. AND THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF WHAT WE ALL DO AND THAT'S PROTECTING OUR CITIZENS. WE HAVE A VERY CHANING DYNAMIC ALL THE TIME. WE HAVE TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT IS IT WE NEED TO IN TERMS OF NEGOTIATION SO WE CAN HAVE THE BEST QUALITY OF SERVICE TO OUR MEMBERS. THAT'S WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO ME AS A SERVICE DELIVERY OF EMS, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, FIRE AND POLICE OFFICERS IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO RUN ON IF YOU RUN AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT THE NEXT ELECTION IS GOING TO BE ABOUT CRIME AND PUBLIC SAFETY. THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT. THAT'S WHY I APPRECIATE THIS CONVERSATION BECAUSE IT SPURRED THE CONVERSATION. EVEN THE COUNY COMMISSION HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT MERGING COUNTY AND CITY GOVERNMENT. THAT'S A GOOD CONVERSATION TO HAVE. THAT'S RESPONSIBLE TAXPAYER MONEY GOING BACK TO THE CITIZENS. SPECIFIC FOR ME TO PUBLIC SAFETY. I URGE YOU, IF I CAN FINISH, I BELIEVE YOU'RE ELECTED BY THE CITIZENS OF ALBUQUERQUE TO MAKE THIS DECISION. I URGE YOU TO VOTE NO AND HAVE THIS CONVERSATION FURTHER. IF IT DOES GOES TO THE CITIZENS OF ALBUQUERQUE WE WILL ENJOY THAT ELECTION AS WELL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> MATTHEW FOLLOWED BY DAVID ON ZOOM. >> GOOD EVENING, MR. PRESIDENT. COUNCIL MEMBERS. IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE. I AM A GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS CONSULTANT FOR THE SOUTHWEST REGION COUNCIL CARPENTERS. I AM SPOEKZPERSON FOR THE FOLKS YOU SAW IN ORANGE SHIRTS. I HAVE OVER 31 YEARS OF GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH MUNICIPALITIES AND COUNTIES. ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I'M HERE THIS EVENING IS ON BEHALF OF THE CARPENTERS THEY ASKED ME TO SPEAK ON MY EXPERIENCE. WHAT WE HAVE IS A CASE OF GRASS IS ALWAYS GREENER ON THE OTHER SIDE. I DEALT BOTH WITH STRONG MAYOR MUNICIPALITIES AND STRONG MANAGER. AND I HAVE TO SAY THE STRONG MAYOR STRUCTURE IS BETTER. IT'S MORE ACCOUNTABLE. IT IS MORE TRANSPARENT. YOU DON'T HAVE UNACCOUNTABLE APPOINTED BUREAUCRAT THAT ISN'T ACCOUNTABLE TO THE VOTERS AND TO THE PEOPLE. YOU OFTEN SEE A CONSOLIDATION AND DISENGAGEMENT AND DISFRANCHISEMENT TO THE VOTERS WITH THE POWER GARNERED BY STRONG CITY MANAGER. I WANT TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE POINT. THE FOLKS HERE TONIGHT, AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY HAD TO LEAVE BECAUSE THEY NEED TO BE UP AT 4 A.M. THEY BUILD NEW MEXICO AND ALBUQUERQUE. THEY'RE HERE AS PATRIOTS BECAUSE THERE IS A NATIONAL EFFORT RIGHT NOW TO UNDERMINE VARIOUS FORMS OF DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT ACROSS THE COUNTRY. THIS IS JUST ONE OF THEM. IT'S INSAIDIOUS AND DANGEROUS. WE REALLY WANT TO FOCUS ON THAT. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF WORKING FAMILIES YOU SAW HERE TONIGHT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR VOICE IS REPRESENTED. THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE THE CHANGE. THEY LIKE THE GOVERNMENT THE WAY WE. AND THEY SUPPORT IT AS NEW MEXICO PATRIOTS. >> DIVED. >> GOOD EVENING, I'M DAVID. I'M A LOCAL ATTORNEY. I'M SPEAKING ON MY OWN BEHALF AS A VOLUNTEER. IN MY CAREER I HAVE SERVED AS THE CAO CITY MANAGER OF THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE AS WELL AS THE CITY MANAGER OF RIO RANCHO IN ADDITION TO HAVING BEEN THE CITY ATTORNEY AND CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR IN ALBUQUERQUE. LET ME SAY, I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF P1, BUT I AM IN FAVOR OF GOVERNMENTAL REFORM. I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT AND THIS IS AN OPPORTUNE TIME. THE REFORM THAT I WOULD PROPOSE IS WHAT HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT TONIGHT AND THAT IS CITY-COUNTY UNIFICATION OR CONSOLIDATION. I THOUGHT YOUR DISCUSSION ABOUT THE HOUSING AUTHORITY, CITY AND COUNTY WAS AN IDEAL PLACE TO TALK ABOUT HOW RUNNING THESE GOVERNMENTS TOGETHER AS A METROPOLITAN GOVERNMENT CAN INCREASE EFFICIENCY, BETTER USE OF TAX MONEY AND DO MORE THINGS BECAUSE WE HAVE CONSOLIDATED OUR GOVERNMENTED -- GOVERNMENT AND HAVE A BETTER FUNCTIONING ONE. I ALSO REMARKED THAT THE PROPOSAL TONIGHT MAKES CITY GOVERNMENT LOOK AWFULLY LIKE BERNALILLO COUNTY GOVERNMENT WITH A COMMISSION-MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT. ONCE YOU PUT A CITYIFORM OF GOVERNMENT THAT'S COUNCIL-MANAGER AND A COMMISSION-MANAGER YOU HAVE TO WONDER WHY WE WOULDN'T GO THE NEXT STEP TO HAVE A CONSOLIDATED CITY AND COUNTY GOVERNMENT. LET ME POINT OUT, IN ADDITION TO THE HOUSING AUTHORITY DISCUSSION TONIGHT, WE HAVE CONSOLIDATED SO MANY FUNCTIONS BETWEEN CITY AND COUNTY THAT BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF COORDINATION AND CONSOLIDATION, I'LL SAY A FEW. THE WATER AUTHORITY, LIBRARIES, THE TRANSIT SYSTEM, COUNTY CLERK, ALL OF THOSE ARE COMBINED CITY-COUNTY FUNCTIONS. I'VE GOT A WHOLE LIST OF THEM INCLUING THE METROPOLITAN DETENTION CENTER. I WOULD URGE A VOTE AGAINST P1 BUT WITH A NOTION THAT THE COUNCIL COMMIT ITSELF TO, LIKE THE COUNTY COMMISSION, START A THOROUGH VETTING AND DISCUSSION OF THE POSSIBILITY O CITY-COUNTY CONSOLIDATION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. >> THAT CONCLUDES COMMENT ON P1. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'RE BACK ON THE BILL. I WANT TO GIVE COUNCILORS AN OPPORTUNITY. THEN WE'LL GO TO THE ADMINISTRATION AND SEE HOW MANY QUESTIONS THAT TAKES US. COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I HAVE A LIST. >>COUN. DAVIS: I THOUGHT YOU WOULD. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. OKAY. I'M GOING TO -- IT'S A MESS. MY LIST BECAUSE THIS IS FROM LAST MEETING AND THIS MEETING. BEAR WITH ME. I STRUGGLED WITH THIS FOR A WHILE. BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT REGARDLESS I WOULD HOPE THAT THE MAYOR SHOULD BE -- SHOULD WE KEEP A STRONG MAYOR, ACTUALLY A PROFESSIONAL ADMINISTRATION. I WOULD HOPE THAT SHOULD WE GO TO A COUNCIL-MANAGER WE HIRE A PROFESSIONAL ADMINISTRATION. THERE'S NOT A GUARANTEE THAT EITHER WILL HAPPEN IN MY OPINION. I THINK THAT THEY LEADS ME TO SAY THE ORDINANCE, WE'VE HEARD IT'S OUT OF DATE. THAT MIGHT BE PART OF THE PROBLEM. CLASSIFIED AND UNCLASSIFIED EMPLOYEES, LET'S REGULATE HOW MANY CLASSIFIED OR UNCLASSIFIED EMPLOYEES THE CITY CAN HAVE. THAT IS IN OUR PURVIEW. WITH THAT, THE VOTES SHOULD BE LEFT TO THE PEOPLE TO CHOOSE TO PUT THE TRUST IN THE MAYOR. THEY VOTE FOR THE STRONG MAYOR, THEY CHOOSE WHO THEY WANT. PART OF THE THREE BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT. I HAVE BEEN RAISED TO RESPECT THE THREE BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT. WE WOULD BE ELIMINATING ONE OF THOSE. THE VOTERS SHOULD VOTE FOR THEIR MAYOR JUST LIKE THEY SHOULD VOTE FOR DIFFERENT MAYOR IF THEY'RE NOT HAPPY. SO, I'M CONCERNED THAT IF THIS HAPPENS, AND THERE'S A FEW CONCERNS I HAVE. ONE OF THE ARGUMENTS AND I DISCUSSED THIS EARLY, IS CONTINUITY. WE WOULD HAVE MORE CONTINITY IF WE HAD A COUNCIL MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT. I DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARILY TRUE. I THINK THAT NOW, FIRST OF ALL, I DO HAVE A QUESTION. BEING THAT NOW THERE'S A TENTH VOTING DELEGATE, WOULD IT ONLY TAKE FIVE VOTES TO DECIDE ON WHO THE MANAGER WOULD BE? OR WOULD IT MEAN NOW IT'S SIX? I DON'T THINK THAT EVER GOT ANSWERED. THE LEGISLATION SAYS FIVE. EVERY TWO YEARS, THE COUNCIL COULD SWING FROM ONE WAY TO THE OTHER OR UPSIDE DOWN AND FIRE THE COUNTY MANAGER AND HIRE A NEW ONE BECAUSE THAT'S HOW POLITICS SEEMS TO WORK. I DON'T BUY INTO THE CONTINITY THING ANYMORE. I WILL SAY MR. CAPALBY, YOU NAILED IT ON THE HEAD. THAT WAS NO PUN INTENDED. I WILL SAY TOO, I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT IT, BUT MR. CAMPBELL AND HIS IDEA THAT IF WE KEEP MERGING THINGS AND MIMICKING THE COUNTY, WHY NOT MERGE THEM BOTH? I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD CONSIDER. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO CONSIDERING THAT. MOST OF THE CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD WITH PEOPLE, THERE'S PEOPLE THAT REACHED OUT AND WANTED ME TO SUPPORT THIS. I'VE ASKED THEM TO TALK WITH ME ABOUT IT. AND I THINK THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THAT IF THIS GETS PUT ON THE BALLOT FOR THE VOTERS TO DECIDE THEY ARE UNDER -- NOT EVERYONE, THERE'S LOT OF PEOPLE THAT REALLY DO GET THIS, BUT THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE THAT THINK THAT THIS WILL GET RID OF MAYOR TIM KELLER, IT WILL NOT. THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS IS A PROPOSAL OF. THIS IS A PROPOSAL TO TAKE AWAY THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS. I'M GOING TO GUESS WHAT HAPPENED. THIS IS CHANING OUR DEMOCRATIC PROCESS. PEOPLE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO VOTE MORE. THEY SHOULD VOTE US FOR MAKING DECISIONS EVERY DAY. BUT THEY SHOULD VOTE FOR THEIR MAYOR. THEIR EXECUTIVE LEADER IN ALBUQUERQUE. UNLESS WE DECIDE TO GET RID OF THAT. I WILL SAY -- THIS ONE IS NOT MINE. THIS IS MY HUSBAND. IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE OUTCOME OF THE ELECTION, WE DON'T STOP HAVING ELECTIONS, WE PUT OUT BETTER CANDIDATES. THAT IS ALSO NAILING IT ON THE HEAD. I THINK SO MANY PEOPLE THINK THAT COME NOVEMBER'S VOTE IT WILL HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO GET RID OF KELLER, IMMEDIATELY. THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN. IT WOULD BE TWO YEARS FROM NOW. THE LAST QUOTE THAT I HAVE IS YESTERDAY. IRONICALLY, IT WAS AT THE NAOP LUNCHEON WHERE THEY PUT UP A SLIDE QUOTING PLATO AND IT SAID THE PRICE GOOD MEN PAY FOR INDIFFERENCE TO PUBLIC AFFAIRS IS TO BE RULED BY EVIL MEN AND THAT STRUCK HOME TO ME BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL VOTED TO MAKE THIS A TENTH MEMBER DELEGATE. THAT MEANS IF THIS PASSES THE BALLOT, PEOPLE COULD ACTUALLY SIT ON THIS COUNCIL AND WITH THE TENTH MEMBER BEING THE MAYOR AND VOTE AGAINST SOMETHING SO IT WOULD FAIL BECAUSE OF EVIL, POTENTIALLY, IN ORDER TO JUST PASSIVELY NEVER PASS ANYTHING. THAT'S NOW HOW -- NOT HOW OUR GOVERNMENT SHOULD WORK. WE SHOULD BE PROACTIVE AND REACTIVE AND OWN OUR DECISIONS. WE SHOULD MOST IMPORTANTLY BE DEMOCRATIC AND LET THE VOTERS DECIDE WHO THEIR LEADERSHIP BE, WHO THEIR EXECUTIVE IS, AND YES, WE SHOULD ABSOLUTELY HOLD ANY MAYOR ACCOUNTABLE AS A COUNCIL, BUT SO SHOULD THE VOTERS. JUST LIKE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO HOLD US ACCOUNTABLE. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR BASSAN. I NEGLECTED TO INCLUDE, I SHOULD HAVE, THERE ARE A COUPLE SPEAKERS ON THE R-131 WHICH IS THE ENABLING RESOLUTION. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THAT MATTER. LET'S PULL THOSE PUBLIC SPEAKERS IF THEY STILL WANT TO SPEAK. I THINK SOME OF THEM HAVE ALREADY. >> THANK YOU. LET'S DO MATTHEW FOLLOWED BY GINA ON ZOOM. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCILOR DAVIS, I'M REPRESENTATIVE WITH THE CARPENTERS UNION IN ALBUQUERQUE. 1700 MEMBERS FROM ALL ACROSS THE STATE. THE SEA OF ORANGE WORKING MEN AND WOMEN SUPPORTING ELECTED OFFICIALS. I AM A TAXPAYER. I'M A HOMEOWNER AND CONSTITUENT. THE CARPENTER IS STRONG OPPOSITION. WE HAVE NOT ALWAYS SEEN EYE TO EYE WITH MAYORS BUT WE BELIEVE THE STRENGTH OF THE OFFICE OF THE MAYOR. WE WANT TO SEE THAT STAND STRONG. MAYOR STRONG, CARPENTER STRONG. THE EDITORIAL ON MAY 20th, NOT THE RIGHT COURSE FOR THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE WAS ACCREDITED AND CIING PEOPLE LIKE MR. KREBS WHO ARE EXPERTS. AND WE NEED TO LISTEN TO EXPERTS AND OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR VOTERS. LIKE COUNCILOR BASSAN SAID WE HAVE TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE LIKE ELECTED OFFICIALS. WE ASK THAT YOU VOTE NO ON THE CHANGE TO THE CHARTER AND KEEP THINGS THE WAY THEY ARE. THANK YOU. >> I HAVE TAD AND THEN -- >>COUN. DAVIS: YOU SIGNED UP ON BOTH ITEMS, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK AGAIN? ALL RIGHT. CHINA ON ZOOM. >> HELLO, I WAS ON ZOOM AND I CAN'T SEE ANYTHING. CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> WE CAN HEAR YOU. >> OKAY. WE'LL JUST DO IT THIS WAY. I'M SORRY. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCIL MEMBERS, I AM HERE TO SUPPORT R-23-131 WHICH GIVES VOTERS CHANCE TO CHOOSE. MY HUSBAND IS A 18-YEAR VETERAN OF THE ALBUQUERQUE POLICE DEPARTMENT HE WAS SHOT WHILE ON DUTY. OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS I'VE EXPERIENCED DEAD ENDS AND RUN AROUNDS WHEN IT COMES TO WORKMANS COMP, HUMAN RESOURCES, AND THE MAYOR HIMSELF. THEY ALL HAVE EXCUSES OF PRIMARY ONCE PUTTING THE BLAME ON HOW THE SYSTEM IS RAN. I RECENTLY ATTENDED A SEMINAR FOR THE RETIREMENT PROCESS. VERY INFORMATIVE. THE FIRST TWO LADIES SPOKE ON THE PROCESS YOU HAD TO GO THROUGH TO GET EARNED RETIREMENT. BOTH SAID THERE IS MORE MORE STEPS IN THE PROCESS THAN EVER BEFORE DUE TO ONE PERSON'S ABUSE OF THE SYSTEM. WHY CAN'T WE HOLD POLITICIANS ACCOUNTABLE LIKE THE REST OF US? WE WANT TO FEEL AS SAFE AS THE MAYOR DOES WHEN HE GOES OUT WITH THE DETAIL. MANY CITIZENS AGREE WITH WANTING TO PROVIDE HELP FOR THE HOMELESS. WE DON'T AGREE WITH HOW MUCH MONEY HAS BEEN SPENT ON GRANDSTANDING FOR EACH NEW MAYOR TO PUT HIS NAME ON SOMETHING WHILE IGNORING THE COST THAT IS PASSED ON TO TAXPAYERS DURING THE PROCESS. WE DON'T AGREE WITH OUR SANCTUARY CITY STATUS. HOW MUCH HARDER DOES THAT MAKE IT FOR THOSE TRYING TO REACH FOR LOVED ONES. CRIMINAL FLEE HERE TO CRIMES BECAUSE THE SYSTEMS ARE MUCH EASIER TO GET LOST IN. HAVING A CITY COUNCIL-MANAGER RAN CITY IS NOT A THREAT TO DEMOCRACY OR HINDERING REPRESENTATION, AFTER WATCHING JASON GRANT'S PRESENTATION TO CITY COUNCIL IT SHOWED HOW IT WOULD BRING BALANCE AND ACCOUNT ABILITY COMPARED TO HOW IT'S RAN IN THE PAST. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. >> THAT CONCLUDES COMMENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ME OF THOSE FOLKS. LET'S GO BACK TO COUNCILORS. WE HEARD FROM COUNCILOR BASSAN. OTHER COUNCILORS? LET ME ADD MY TWO CENTS AND WE'LL GO TO COUNCILOR BENTON. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR BASSAN. THIS IS A WEIRD NIGHT. I AGREED WITH COUNCILOR LEWIS, AND COUNCILOR BASSAN. IT'S THE END OF JUNE. WHO KNOWS? LIKE ALL OF US, I'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH. I CAN SEE A VALUE IN ALL OF IT. I THINK PROFESSOR KREBS RESEARCH SHOWS ACROSS THE BOARD CITIES OF OUR SIZE OPERATE WITH THE STRONG EXECUTIVE AND I THINK THERE'S A GOOD REASON FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. AT SOME POINT SOMEBODY HAS TO IN CHARGE OF STUFF. AND HAS TO BE HELD AEBALITY -- ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT. HONESTLY, NOT TO THE SPONSORS HERE, BUT THE MESSAGE THAT I RECEIVED FROM FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY, A LOT OF THEM DO WANT TO SEE THIS AS AN INTERIM REF-ROUNDM ON THE CURRENT MAYOR. THEY WANT TO USE IT ON THE STATUS OF THE CITY AND POSITIONS THAT NEED MORE WORK. REFERENDUM ON THE CURRENT OCCUPANT OF THE OFFICE. LORD KNOWS I'VE HAD MY DISAGREEMENTS TWO MAYORS. SOME OF THEM PUBLIC, A LOT MORE NOT. I HONESTLY THINK SOME OF THE DISAGREEMENTS ARE MUCH MORE ABOUT THE OCCUPANT OF THE OFFICE AND MAYBE THEIR PERCEPTION OF WHAT'S THAT DOING. I ALSO THINK THIS COUNCIL CAN DO A BETTER JOB AS COUNCILOR BASSAN PUT IT, TOOLS IN OUR TOOLBOX AND THINGS IN OUR PURVIEW. I'VE HEARD A LOT OF CONVERSATION AND COUNCILOR BENTON HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT CONSOLIDATION. THAT IF THIS DOES NOT GO ON THE BALLOT AND HOPE WE COME BACK IN AUGUST TO STRUCTURE THAT. I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE BUDGET ORDINANCE. WE GO THROUGH A BUDGET EVERY YEAR THINKING ABOUT WHAT LIMITS WE CAN PUT ON THE ADMINISTRATION AND HAGGLING OVER DIFFERENT DEALS TO SQUEEZE A ROUND PECK PEG INTO SQUARE HOLE. INTO FINDING THINGS THE MAYOR WANTED TO DO. BUT IT DOESN'T PROVIDE ENOUGH ACCOUNTABLEABILITY. I SUSPECT IF WE ASK TO DO RESEARCH TO FIND OTHER CITIES, THAT THE CITY COUNCIL APPOINTS MANY MORE OF THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE STAFF IN THE CITY THAN JUST THE MAYOR'S CHIEF APPOINTEE, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE DIRECTOR LEVELS THAT MIGHT ACCOMPLISH SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE HEARD. I THINK ALL OF THOSE THINGS MATTER. I HAVE TO SAY I THINK THE POISON PILL WAS THE TENTH VOTE. I THINK IT COULD BRING THE CITY TO A STOP. I WAS VERY OPEN TO THIS IDEA. I CAN'T DO IT AS ITS STRUCTURED. I CAN'T SEND IT TO VOTERS LIKE THAT. I THINK THAT IS A POISON PILL FOR THE STRUCK DHRER -- STRUCTURE OF GOVERNMENT. I THINK WE SHOULD COME BACK, AND I KNOW THE MAYOR HIMSELF AND SOME OF THE ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN OPEN TO THE IDEA OF DOING A MINI CHARTER COMMISSION, AND SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS LIKE BUDGET ORDINANCE, I THINK WE OUGHT TO DO THAT WHILE WE HAVE THIS MOMENTUM IF THIS DOESN'T GO TO VOTERS. BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S AGREEMENT FOR FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND A LITTLE BIT AND EVEN FROM FOLKS THAT JUST GOT HERE. IT'S HARD TO GET STUFF DONE. AND WE'VE GOTTEN USED TO DOING THINGS THE HARD WAY AND WE ALTTO WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT THE COUNTY. I AM ALL FOR THAT IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT WELL. I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THIS TO THE VOTERS BUT WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF LOOKING AT SOME OF THE PIECES TO MAKE OUR CITY WORK FASTER, AND BETTER AND IMPROVE THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE EXECUTIVE AND THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH OF THE CITY. LET ME GO TO COUNCILOR BENTON. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I SAID THIS BEFORE AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN, AND I SAID IT EARIER TONIGHT. I UNDERSTAND WHY THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT FORTH. I APPRECIATE THE REASONS WHY. AND I AM HERE A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN COUNCILOR JONES, I THINK THAT MAKES THREE MAYORS AND NINE CITY COUNCILS I'VE WORKED WITH. SIX. SIX CITY COUNCILS. ANYWAY. ON THE AVERAGE WE HAVE A NEW DYNAMIC AND A NEW GROUP EVERY TWO YEARS. AND WE'VE HAD THREE MAYORS. AND I THINK THERE'S FUNDAMENTALLY AN IMBALANCE IN THE GOVERNMENT. WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE BALANCED IN TERMS OF BRANCHES. I DON'T THINK WE ARE. I THINK WE'RE -- WE HAVE A ROLE AND WE CAN BE WATCHDOGS AND ASK QUESTIONS AND SO FORTH. AS WE SAW EARIER TONIGHT, WE DON'T GET ANSWERS OF THINGS WE'RE ACTUALLY INVOLVED WITH AND STARTED. A QUESTION WHERE THERE'S NO -- AM I SUPPOSED TO HAVE TO KEEP AN UPDATE ON EVERY PROJECT GOING ON IN THE CITY AS A COUNCILOR? IT'S NOT FEASIBLE. AND FUNDAMENTALLY IT'S BEEN IMBALANCED WHEN THEY CREATED THIS FORM OF GOVERNMENT THEY SAW THIS POSITION AS A VOLUNTEER POSITION BECAUSE IT'S MUCH LOWER PAY AND IT STILL IS. VERY FEW PEOPLE CALCULATIONS WOULD IT BE CONSIDERED A FULL-TIME JOB. BUT IT IS FOR MOST OF US. IT'S NIGHT AND DAY AND SO FORTH. ALL WEEK LONG. BUT I THINK THERE'S A FUNDAMENTAL IMBALANCE. I WANT TO SAY THAT I THINK WE HAVE ONE OF THE MOST CAPABLE ADMINISTRATORS AND OUR CURRENT CAO. THAN I'VE EVER SEEN. EXCELLENT ADMINISTRATOR. SO IS, I THINK, MR. CAMPBLE WHO SPOKE. IT'S NOT ALWAYS THE CASE. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT ABOUT OUR TOP ADMINISTRAOR IN THIS GOVERNMENT IS VERY GOOD. BUT WE NEED THREE OR FOUR MORE LIKE HIM AND IT WILL BE A LOT BETTER. AT THE SAME TIME, I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE VOTE. AS VICE-PRESIDENT GROUT SAID, YES, IT FEELS LIKE THINGS ARE GETTING WORSE. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM CONSTITUENTS. I UNDERSTAND THE DESIRE TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. BUT I'M ALSO AFRAID THAT IS GOING TO COLOR PEOPLE'S VOTE. ANYTHING, LET'S DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. LET'S THROW IT IN THE AIR. I'M CONCERNED WITH THAT TOO. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT CONCEPT OF ADMINISTRATION BY COMMITTEE. BECAUSE LIKE I SAY, I THINK THERE ARE GOOD CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICERS OUT THERE BUT, IF THEY'RE ON A TIGHT ROPE KOUNZ TANTLY CONSTANTLY OF ANSWERING TO ELECTED BODY THAT IS INTENDLINGING TO BEING INFISCAL AND PLANNING BODY, I THINK THERE'S CONCERN. YES, I THINK THE POTENTIAL FOR UNIFICATION WOULD BE A VENUE. IT WOULD BE A GOOD VENUE. IT WOULD OPEN UP THE DISCUSSION ABILITY -- ABOUT THE WHAT THE STRUCTURE WOULD LOOK LIKE. THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD BE COMING FROM A UNIFICATION COMMISSION. THAT'S THE WAY IT'S BEEN DONE IN THE PAST. I THINK IT'S STATE LAW. IT WOULD NOT PRECLUDE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT THE EXECUTIVE AND LEGISLATIVE FUNCTIONS WOULD LOOK LIKE. AND I BELIEVE THAT SERVICE DELIVERY IN GENERAL FOR ALL OF OUR CITIZENS IN THE COUNTY WOULD IMPROVE WITH CONSOLIDATION. I THINK WITH REGARD TO THIS BILL, IT'S JUST MY MORE INCLINATION TO MOVE TOWARD SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE A COMMISSION OF CITIZENS REALLY DELVES INTO THIS. AND THAT COMMITTEE WOULD NOT INCLUDE ANY OF US ELECTED. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR BASSAN, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, AND COUNCILOR GROUT TO CLOSE. WE'RE BACK T COUNCILOR SANCHEZ AND COUNCILOR GROUT TO CLOSE. UNLESS THE ADMINISTRATION -- I SUPPOSE YOU WANT TO WEIGH IN AT SOME POINT. WHY DON'T WE DO THAT BEFORE WE GO TO THE SPONSORS? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, LET ME JUST SAY OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THIS. I WOULD SAY THAT FROM A PERSONAL STANDPOINT, IT'S AN INTERESTING CONVERSATION. I'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF WORKING FOR FOUR MAYORS. ALMOST A TOTAL OF 18 YEARS IN THIS CAPACITY OR SIMILAR CAPACITY. I WOULD SAY TO ALL OF YOU THAT I'VE HEARD THE SAME CONCERNS YOU ALL EXPRESSED TONIGHT FROM MANY, MANY CITY COUNCILLORS ABOUT THE MAYORS THAT I WORKED FOR. I'VE ALSO SEEN SUCCESSES THAT HAVE BEEN REALLY DRAMATIC AND DIFFERENT. I THINK WE STOPPED SOMETIMES AND I UNDERSTAND WE ALL HEAR FROM CONSTITUENTS. I'VE ALWAYS BEEN OF THE OPINION THAT THE GLASS IS NOT HALF FULL, IT'S -- I'M SORRY, IT'S HALF FULL. WE'RE THE LARGEST CITY IN THE STATE. WE ARE THE BELL WEATHER AS IT RELATES TO ECONOMIC AND DEVELOPMENT FOR THE ENTIRE STATE OF NEW MEXICO. OUR ISSUEERIZE SIGNIFICANT. OUR CITY HAS GROWN TREMENDOUSLY IN THE TIME THAT I FIRST STARTED I LOVE TO TELL PEOPLE WHEN I WAS TEN. BACK IN THE 90s. THE ISSUES ARE BIGGER. NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. CITY HAS GROWN TREMENDOUSLY. AND AS WE STRUGGLE AND TRY AND FACE THE CHALLENGES, IT REALLY IS ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE PEOPLE THAT SIT IN THE POSITIONS THAT YOU ALL HAVE AND THE POSITION OF THE MAYOR. AND THAT IS THE DECISION OF THE CITIZENS. AND AS I SAID TO LOTS OF FOLKS INCLUING THE CURRENT MAYOR, THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO MAKE THEIR DECISION TO CHOOSE THE PERSON THEY AS THE MAYOR TO LEAD THE COMMUNITY AND SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY AND PROVIDE -- OBVIOUSLY THE POLICY YOU ULTIMATELY MAKE A DECISION ON AND MANAGE AND FORM AND DEVELOP. LOOK, YOU ALL ARE FINE INDIVIDUALS. YOU WERE ELECTED BY YOUR RESPECTIVE CITIZENS THAT VOTED TO YOU TO BE IN THE POSITION THAT THE MAYOR WAS. IT'S NOT THE FORM OF GOVERNMENT. IT'S HOW WE WORK TOGETHER AND I'VE ALWAYS USED THAT AS MY GUIING PRINCIPLE. I TRY TO WORK WITH ALL OF YOU AND MAKE THINGS THAT YOU WANT HAPPENED BECAUSE YOU'RE ELECTED OFFICIALS REPRESENTING CITIZENS OF THE DIRECT. I ALSO WORK FOR A MAYOR WHO HAS A RESPONSIBILITY OVER THE ENTIRE CITY. AS HE IS ELECTED AT LARGE. WORKING THAT TOGETHER SOMETIMES WORKS VERY WELL. WE'VE DONE SOME GREAT THINGS. SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T WORK SO WELL. AND WE HAVE CONCERNS WITH EACH OTHER. WITH THAT BEING SAID, I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR THE POINT TOO MUCH. OBVIOUSLY, WE DO NOT SUPPORT THE PROPOSAL AND I WOULD SAY THE CONVERSATION ABOUT CITY COUNCIL-COUNTY UNIFICATION IS A REALLY HEALTHY ONE TO HAVE AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THAT AND SEE ARE WE REALLY DOING -- IF WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT THE TAXPAYER MONEY, IS IT REALLY TIME TO THINK ABOUT SUPPORTING TWO DIFFERENT GOVERNMENTS THAT OFTENTIMES OVERLAP EACH OTHER AND THE ONLY WAY WE FIGURE OUT HOW TO WORK WITH EACH OTHER IS THROUGH JPA. IMAGINE THAT. AS OPPOSED TO SITTING ACROSS THE TABLE AND SAYING YOU TAKE THIS AND WE'LL TAKE THAT. IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY. WITH THAT BEING SAID, THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THIS HAS BEEN A GREAT DISCUSSION. I THINK IT'S BEEN A VERY GOOD DISCUSSION. IT'S BEEN VERY HEALTHY. WE NEED BETTER ACCOUNTABILITY, BETTER TRANSPARENCY, WE NEED TO BE WORKING TOGETHER. WE NEED TO BE NOT SO ADVERSARILY. WE NEED TO PROVIDE FOR OUR CITIZENS, OUR CONSTITUENTS. WE NEED TO DO THINGS -- WE NEED TO -- THEY NEED TO BE SAFER. THEY NEED TO HAVE AN ENVIRONMENT THAT IS SAFE FOR THEIR FAMILIES. AND SPEND THEIR MONEY WISELY. I AM NOT A POLITICIAN, I'M A PUBLIC SERVIENT. I LEARNED THAT FROM SOMEBODY ELSE AS WELL. I DON'T LIKE THE POLITICS THAT I'M SEEING THAT I HAVE SEEN IN THE LAST YEAR. THE WASTE OF MONEY. LOOKING AT CONTRACTS. $1 MILLION CONTRACTS AND IT'S GOING TO BE 10% WAS -- WAS WE'RE SPENDING TAXPAYER MONEY AND WE NEED TO BE MORE ACCOUNTABLE FOR IT. WE NEED TO ASK THESE TOUGH QUESTIONS AND WE NEED TO STOP GIVING THE APPOINTMENTS TO PEOPLE THAT SHOULD NOT BE THERE. BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE QUALIFICATIONS. I HOPE THAT THIS CONVERSATION HAS RESONATED WITH SOME PEOPLE IN HIGH PLACES. AND THEY WILL BE MORE TRANSPARENT. THERE ARE -- WHETHER OR NOT THIS FAILS, I'M GLAD WE GOT THIS OUT. I'M GLAD WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT. I THINK WE NEED TO NOT LET IT STOP. WE CAN DO BETTER. WITH THAT, THIS CONVERSATION OR THIS QUESTION IS TO SEND IT TO THE VOTERS. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT. SENDING THIS QUESTION TO THE VOTERS. I WOULD URGE YOUR SUPPORT. SPENDING IT TO THE VOTERS. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. WHEN I LOOK AT THIS I LOOK AT MY COLLEAGUES AND I LOOK AROUND AND I'M GOING TO ASK EACH ONE OF YOU ARE YOU -- WHY ARE MY COLLEAGUES AFRAID TO LET THE VOTERS DECIDE HOW WE'RE GOVERNED? WHY? THAT'S THE KEY. IF YOU DECIDE TO LET THE VOTERS -- THEY VOTED YOU IN. I THINK IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE AS CITY COUNCIL ERS LET THE VOTERS DECIDE, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO MAKE A POLICY DECISION, THIS IS A POLICY DECISION. TO LET THE VOTERS DECIDE IS THE BEST THING YOU DO. I HEARD THEM SAY LET'S LET THE VOTERS DECIDE ABOUT THE MAYOR. LET THEM DECIDE ABOUT THIS ONE TOO. THEY PUT US IN POWER. I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT, I'VE GROWN UP IN ALBUQUERQUE, BORN AND RAISED. I SERVED THE COMMUNITY AS 26 YEARS AS LAW ENFORCEMENT. I PUT MY STREETS, I PUT MY LIFE UP FOR EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THE INDIVIDUALS IN HERE. I'VE DONE EVERYTHING I NEEDED TO DO TO SURVIVE TO GET THROUGH IT AND MAKE A CAREER FOR MYSELF. MAKE THIS PLACE A BETTER PLACE. AND I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN CITY GOVERNMENT THAT ENTIRE TIME OF 26 YEARS. ONE OF THE THINGS I NOTICED AND IN THAT AMOUNT OF TIME, I'VE NOTICED THAT WE HAVE BEEN ON THE WRONG SIDE OF EVERY GOOD LIST. AND WE'VE BEEN ON THE BAD SIDE OF EVERY BAD LIST. IT'S CRAZY. WE'RE NOT GETTING THIS RIGHT. WE'RE NEED TO BE ON THE GOOD SIDE OF ALL OF THE GOOD LISTS, INSTEAD OF BEING ON TOP OF ALL THE BAD LISTS. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE SEEN IN MY TIME HERE. AND DURING THE WHOLE TIME THAT I'VE SERVED AS A POLICE OFFICER AND THE TIME THAT I LIVED IN ALBUQUERQUE, WE'VE HAD THIS FORM OF GOVERNMENT. AND I THINK IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT WHERE THE CITIZENS TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THE DECISION. AS I SAID BEFORE, IT'S A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT THING FOR EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT ELECTED TO DO THE STATUS QUO. WE'RE ELECTED TO MAKE CHANGE. POSITIVE CHANGE. AND IN THE 50 YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN HERE, AND THE 26 YEARS THAT I SERVED, I SAW WAY MORE YEARS THAT HAD STATUS QUO INSTEAD OF POSITIVE CHANGE. AND I THINK IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE VOTERS DECIDE AND WE'RE HERE FIGHTING FOR THE BUSINESS OWNER WHO IS STRUGGLING. FIGHTING FOR THE TAXPAYER, THE WORKING PEOPLE AND I THINK THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT SHOULD DECIDE ON HOW WE'RE GOVERNEDGOV. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE LET OUR CONSTITUENTS, THE VOTERS OF ALBUQUERQUE, MAKE THE DECISION. WHAT THIS IS ABOUT IS ABOUT POWER. AND THE MONEY THAT IS REPRESENTS. DO WE WANT TO BE THE AGENTS OF CONTINUING STATUS QUO? OR DO WE WANT TO BE THE AGENTS OF CHANGE? I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE AS CITY COUNCILLORS GIVE THE CITIZENS THE CHOICE. AND NOT CUP THEIR MOUTHS AND SAY YOU DON'T HAVE A CHOICE. BECAUSE IF WE VOTE NO TODAY, THOSE CITY COUNCILLORS HAVE LIT LLRY COVERED THE MOUTH OF THE CONSTITUENTS THAT VOTED THEM IN. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE ALL ABOUT. I DON'T THINK WE'RE ALL ABOUT THAT. I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT WE MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: SEEING NO OTHER DISCUSSION. COUNCILOR PEÑA. [ INAUDIBLE ]. >>COUN. BASSAN: I'D LIKE A MOMENT OF -- PERSONAL PRIVILEGE. I WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW THAT IT'S NOT MY FEAR TO LET VOTERS DECIDE. THERE'S NO CONFUSION THAT I FIGHT FOR BUSINESS OWNERS AND FIGHT FOR THE SAFETY OF THE CONSTITUENTS IN ALBUQUERQUE, THAT I WILL WORK IN ORDER TO BETTER OUR CITY EVEN THOUGH I DON'T HAVE THE PERFECT ANSWER. I'M NOT GOING TO CONFORM TO THIS STATUS QUO, INSTEAD I BELIEVE WE BELIEVE IN A REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY, THEREFORE THE VOTERS SHOULD DECIDE ON THEIR MERITS. I'M HIGHLY INSULTED BY WHAT I JUST HEARD. >>COUN. DAVIS: SEEING NO OTHER DISCUSSION. FOR THE RECORD, BECAUSE WE A WEIRD VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF P1 RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. I'M SORRY. SURE. I'M SORRY. AT THE REQUEST OF COUNCILOR JONES, THE VOTE WILL BE ON P1 WHICH ADOPES THE PRAUPGZ -- PROPOSITION TO BE SENT TO THE VOTERS TO ADOPT A COUNCIL-MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT. THAT WILL BE THE VOTE TO SEND THAT VOTE TO VOTERS. IF WE VOTE YES. AND REMIND ME, THIS TAKES SIX VOTES. IT TAKES A SUPER MAJORITY. THAT BEING SAID. LET'S DO THAT ONE MORE TIME. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF P1 SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? THAT MATTER FAILS ON A 3-6 VOTE. THAT TAKES USZ US -- R-131. WE HAVE THE OPTION TO WITHDRAW IT OR VOTE TO CLEAN THE RECORD UP. DO THE SPONSORS HAVE A PREFERENCE? WE CAN WITH DRAW IT OR DO WE NEED TO VOTE WITHDRAW? THE SPONSORS MADE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO WITHDRAW IS -- 131. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR TO WITHDRAW, WITH RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT MATTER IS UNANIMOUS. >>COUN. DAVIS: I'M WATCHING THE CLOCK. I KNOW. RULES SAY FOR THOSE OF YOU FOLLOWING THAT 10:30 THE MEETING ENDS, BUT IT WILL NOT. WE HAVE THE IDO, AND WE'RE NOT DOING IT AT ANOTHER MEETING. WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN GET THROUGH THESE AND AMENDMENTS AND EXTEND AS REQUIRED. COUNCILOR BENTON, R-143. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I'LL MOVE A DO PASS ON R-143. THIS IS DIRECTING THE ADMINISTRATION TO CONVERT THE -- TO TWO WAY ROAD WAYS AND CONDUCT A STUDY TO CONVERT SECTIONS EAST OF 4th TO TWO-WAY STREETS ASK DIRECT A FOUR-WAY STOP REPLACE TRAFFIC SIGNAL. AND THIRD, AS CONSISTENT, PROVIING APPROPRIATION FOR NECESSARY IMPROVEMENTS. I MOVE A DO PASS. COUNCILOR JONES OFFERS A SECOND. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU. COUNCILORS, BETWEEN YEARS OF 2014 AND 2018 THE CITY CONDUCTED A DOWNTOWN WALKABILITY STUDY BY A NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED EXPERT ON URBAN WALKABLE CONDITIONS OR NON-WALKABLE CONDITIONS. GOES AROUND THE COUNTRY LOOKING FOR CITIES TO SAVE. ANYWAY, JUST TALKING ABOUT THE STUDY THERE'S LOT OF INTEREST AND BIG TURNOUT AT THE MEETINGS. THE MEETING WAS AT THE CONVENTION CENTER AND IT WAS SUBSTANTIAL INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY IN THIS STUDY. SPEND A LOT OF TIME WITH DMD AND TRAFFIC ENGINEERS AND OBSERVATION WITH DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS. THE COUNCIL IN 2018 PASSED THIS RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE STUDY AS CITY POLICY AND IT WAS SIGNED BY MAYOR BERRY. THIS IS BASED ON THAT STUDY. A LOT OF THE -- CREDIT IS DUE TO THIS ADMINISTRATION AND TO THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION FOR HAVING STUCK WITH IT. WHENEVER A ROADWAY NEEDS TO BE RESURFACED THEY LOOK AT IT AND THAT'S WHY WE SEE CHANGES AND STRIPING ON THINGS LIKE THAT. MOST OF THOSE HAVE BEEN CONSISTENT WITH THE POLICY OF THESE PRIORITIES. WE'VE BEEN GOING DOWN THE LIST. WHERE WE STAND NOW IS REALLY OF THE REAL TOP PRIORITY PROJECTS THAT STILL REMAIN. THIS IS ONE OF THEM. IT'S TO LOOK AT THE ONE-WAY. THE HISTORY OF ONE-WAYS IN DOWNTOWN. WE SAW A LOT MORE OF THEM THAN WE DO NOW. OF COURSE, 6th AND 5th ARE ONE-WAYS. THIS IS ANOTHER SEGMENT. THE CONTENTION OF THE EXPERT IS THAT THEY TEND TO INCREASE SPEEDING. TWO LANES IN ONE DIRECTION WITH THE ABILITY TO MANEUVER. THAT'S THE SCIENCE BEHIND THE POLICY. THIS IS REALLY FAIRLY MODEST. AND WE'VE GOT FUNDING IN THE BILL FOR IT. AND AS WAS ACKNOWLEDGED IN THE STUDY, THESE COUPLETS, THEY CALL THEM COUPLETS WHEN IT'S ONE DIRECTION ONE WAY AND THE OTHER. IT'S COMPLICATED BY THE CONVENTION CENTER AND OTHER FACTORS. EASIER SAID THAN DONE THAT WE CAN JUST CHANGE THIS THE WAY WE DID ON SOME OF THE EASIER STREETS. AND THERE'S ONE INTERSECTION THAT WAS CALLED FOUR YEARS AGO TO BE CONVERTED TO A FOUR-WAY STOP DUE TO LOW TRAFFIC VOLUME. THAT'S THEREIN AS WELL. THAT'S WHAT IT'S ABOUT. I THINK WE HAVE THE COOPERATION OF THE ADMINISTRATION IN TERMS THAT THIS IS SOMETHING WE OUGHT TO TAKE A LOOK AT. IT WOULD BEGIN WITH A TEST OF THE STREETS THAT ARE THE MORE EASILY CONVERTED AND FURTHER ANALYSIS OF THE REMAINDER BLOCKS THAT WOULD NOT BE PART OF IT YET. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR BENTON. I BELIEVE YOU HAVE SOME AMENDMENTS. >>COUN. BENTON: I THINK WE HAVE ONE AMENDMENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: LET'S CALL THAT FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. >>COUN. BENTON: I'LL READ THIS. THE AMENDMENT CHANGES THE BILL AS FOLLOWS. THE FIRST ONE HAS TO DO WITH THE PILOT PROJECT THAT I MENTIONED THAT THEY DO A CONVERSION JUST AS A TEST PROJECT. AND IT CREATES A DEADLINE FOR THAT TO COMMENCE NO LATER THAN NOVEMBER 15th OF THIS YEAR. AND THEN ON PAGE THREE LINE 27, THIS IS THE FUNDING AND THE ACTIVITY NUMBER FOR HOW THIS WOULD BE FUNDED. >>COUN. DAVIS: IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND FROM COUNCILOR JONES. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT? ANYTHING FROM THE ADMINISTRATION? MR. RAEL. SGLR MR. PRESIDENT, >> MR. RAEL, CONTRARY TO SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS, THIS IS ONE WE WORKED TOGETHER WITH COUNCILOR BENTON. AND APPRECIATE THE STRUCTURE IN TERMS OF HOW THIS WILL GET DONE. IT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THOSE AREAS THAT I THINK HAVE LEAST IMPACT FROM A COST AND INFRASTRUCTURE PERSPECTIVE. AND THEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO PILOT THOSE AND EVENTUALLY MOVE TO THE OTHER PIECES THAT HAVE SAID. FIFRBGAL INFRASTRUCTURE FISCAL INFRASTRUCTURE CHALLENGES THAT NEED TO BE MODIFIED. WE SUPPORT THE AMENDMENT AND THE BILL. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. WE'LL CALL THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. KNEE ANY OPPOSED? THAT CARRIES 9-0. >>COUN. BENTON: -- >>COUN. DAVIS: THERE'S NO PUBLIC SPEAKERS FOR THIS. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THANK YOU TO THE ADMINISTRATION FOR WORKING WITH US. AND TOM AS WELL. HE IS SO VALUABLE TO US ON THE COUNCIL STAFF. SPEAKING OF SOMEONE THAT HAS BEEN AROUND AND SEEN QUITE OF BIT OF HOW OUR GOVERNMENT WORKS. SO HELPFUL ON THIS SORT OF THING. I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY INVOLVED. AND OTHERS WHO HAVE ADVISED THIS AND I THINK MS. SHULZ WAS INVOLVED WHEN WE PASSED THE WALKABILITY STUDY. VERY WELL-VERSED. WE WILL URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: SEEING NO OTHER DISCUSSION WE'LL MOVE TO A MOTION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT MATTER PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. HERE WE ARE FOR THE BIG SHOW. O-54. COUNCILOR BENTON AND COUNCILOR JONES. GET US STARTED AND WE HAVE A PRESENTATION AND LOTS OF AMENDMENTS. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. O-54 IS ADOPTING TEXT AMENDMENTS TO THE IDO IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE ANNUAL UPDATE PROCESS TO ADDRESS THE NEED FOR MORE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. JONES: SECOND. >>COUN. BENTON: WE HAVE AMENDMENTS IN THE iPADS. THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF THE PREVIOUS MEETING. THERE WON'T BE PUBLIC COMMENT. BUT WE'VE HEARD A LUT OF IT TONIGHT AND OTHER NIGHTS. THE AMENDMENTS ARE IN THE iPADS. THERE ARE NEW ONES THAT COME IN IN THE LAST COUPLE DAYS. WE'LL ASK MS. SHULZ TO DESCRIBE THEM. WE HAVE HAD DISCUSSION ON QUITED A FEW OF THEM ALREADY. MAYBE THE ONES THAT ARE NEW. I'LL LEAVE IT TO YOU TO TRY TO SUMMARIZE. I THINK WE HAVE DISCUSSED SOME OF THE ONES AT THE TOP OF THE LIST. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BENTON, WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED ANY OF THE AMENDMENTS OUTSIDE OF THE ONE THAT THE COUNCIL CHOSE TO PASS ON JUNE 5th. BECAUSE OF THIS AGENDA ITEM IS A CONTINANCE I DON'T HAVE THE FRESH PRESENTATION TO GIVE, THE ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T HAVE A FRESH PRESENTATION. I HAVE A POWERPOINT SLIDE FOR EVERY AMENDMENT. I LEAVE IT TO THE COUNCIL IF WOW WANT ME T . >>COUN. DAVIS: WE GET LOST. WE, MEANING ME. >> WE'LL ONE THROUGH THESE ONE BY ONE. THERE'S ABOUT 17 OF THEM TONIGHT. SOME OF THE AMENDMENTS DO CONFLICT. IN THE PACKETS I CREATED THAT WERE DISTRIBUTED, THERE'S A NOTES COLUMN THAT TELLS YOU WHICH OF THE AMENDMENTS CONFLICT. IDEALLY COUNCILORS CHOOSE ONE OR THE OTHER TO VOTE ON BUT NOT BOTH. B1 TITLED NEIGHBORHOOD EDGE REMOVED. AT THE THE LAND USE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE PROCESS THE BODY ADDED IN A NEW NEIGHBORHOOD EDGE PROVISION. THIS IS A BUILDING STEP DOWN REQUIREMENT. FOR CERTAIN MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS. WHEN IT'S NEXT TO MORE INTENSE MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. THE PROPOSAL BEFORE YOU TODAY PROPOSES TO STRIKE THAT LANGUAGE AND IN ITS ENTIRETY. SINCE THE LAND USE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE PROCESS CONCLUDED COUNSEL STAFF HAS HEARD THIS PARTICULAR CHANGE HAS UNINTEND CONSEQUENCES ON DEVELOPMENT. THIS WAS AN IDEA THAT CAME A LITTLE LATER IN THE PROCESS. AND COULD PROBABLY USE MORE STUDY BEFORE ADOPTED. SO THE PROPOSAL OF B1 IS TO TAKE THE IDEA OFF THE TABLE FOR NOW. >>COUN. BENTON: MOVE FLOOR AMENDMENT B1. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN SECONDING. COUNCILOR JONES IS ALSO SPONSORING. [ INAUDIBLE ]. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR JONES YES. THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR RIGHT NOW WOULD BE TO TAKE OUT THE NEW NEIGHBORHOOD EDGE PROVISION THAT IS PROPOSED. >>COUN. JONES: THANK YOU. I MOVE TO REMOVE ON B1. >>COUN. DAVIS: PERFECT. WE HAVE B1. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT AMENDMENT? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF AMENDMENT 1? ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU. I KNOW IT'S GETTING LATE. HELP US AND HELP OUR CLERK. RAISE YOUR HANDS SO WE CAN ME SEEN. IT'S HARD TO KEEP UP WITH SO MANY AMENDMENTS. B2. THIS IS COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO B2. WE'RE GOING TO IGNORE THAT. TO BE SURE WE'RE ALL WORKING FROM THE SAME SHEET OF MUSIC. THAT TAKES US TO B3. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, B3A WAS MOVED AND PASSED BY THE COMMITTEE ON JUNE 5th. YOU HAVE B3B WHICH IS UP FOR DISCUSSION TONIGHT. B3 -- I'M SORRY YOUR TABLE WAS MISLABELLED. YOU HAVE B3B, THE COVER SHEET SAYS B3A. WHAT SIB -- IS IN YOUR PACKET IS B3B. IT PROPOSES TO FIX AN ERROR THAT WAS MADE AT THE LAND USE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE LEVEL RELATED TO PARKING REDUCTIONS THAT COMMITTEE PASSED. THERE WERE LOT OF MOVING PARTS AT THE COMMITTEE LEVEL WHERE THERE'S MULTIPLE AMENDMENTS THAT AMENDED THE SAME SECTIONS AND BY ACCIDENT A SECTION THAT THE COMMITTEE DID NOT INTEND TO AMEND OUT GOT AMENDED OUT OF THE BILL AND SO THIS FIXES THAT ERROR. THE RESULT OF THAT IS THAT THE PARKING REDUCTION AS THE COMMITTEE CLEARLY INTENDED TO PASS WOULD REMAIN IN THE BILL. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT. I'LL MOVE FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. AND IT CHANGES THE TEXT AS STATED HERE. FROM THE THE AMENDMENT. A10. 10A. THAT'S FROM THE LUPZ MEETING. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR JONES, ARE YOU A SECOND? >>COUN. JONES: I SECOND, YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: MS. SHULZ, WITH THIS AMENDMENT, IT REDUCES PARKING? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR PEÑA, THE RESULT OF THIS AMENDMENT WOULD BE IF THE BILL IS TO PASS THAT CERTAIN PARKING REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE REDUCED IN THE IDO MOVING FORWARD. >>COUN. PEÑA: OKAY. THEN WE HAVE COUNCILOR SANCHEZ WHO DIDN'T MOVE HIS AMENDMENT WHICH DID AWAY WITH THAT. WE WOULDN'T REDUCE THE PARKING, RIGHT? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR PEÑA, YES THE AMENDMENT THAT COUNCILOR SANCHEZ WITHDREW WOULD BEGIN THE PROPOSED PARKING REDUCTIONS OUT OF THE BILL. >>COUN. PEÑA: I GUESS THE IMPLICATION IS I CAN ADD MY NAME TO THE ONE COUNCILOR SANCHEZ WITHDREW? IS THAT CORRECT? >>COUN. DAVIS: I THINK WE ALLOW THAT. I THINK WE'LL GO WITH IT. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR PEÑA, I BELIEVE WHAT THE CLERK IS SAYING IS THAT YES THAT WOULD BE AN AVAILABLE ACTION. >>COUN. PEÑA: MR. PRESIDENT, THEN, IT WOULD BE THAT WE EITHER VOTE FOR THE CURRENT ONE OR THE NEXT ONE WHICH WOULD BE NOW MINE. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR PEÑA, THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR RIGHT NOW IS FOR THE AMENDMENT TO CONTINUE THE PARKING REDUCTIONS. AFTER THAT ACTION HAS BEEN DISPOSED YOU CAN MOVE IT. >>COUN. PEÑA: AND UNDO THE CURRENT AMENDMENT? >>COUN. DAVIS: YES, IF IT'S OKAY LET'S ASK MS. SHULZ TO GO BACK TO THE THING WE IGNORED TO EXPLAIN THAT TO BE SURE SO WE CAN SAY THIS OR THAT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DO THAT. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, B2 PROPOSES TO STRIKE PARKING REDUCTIONS THAT LUPZ COMMITTEE PASSED. THOSE WERE TWO PARKING REDUCTION. ONE WAS A 20% REDUCTION FOR MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. IF THAT DEVELOPMENT IS OCCURRING IN AN URBAN CENTER, MAIN STREET CORRIDOR OR MAJOR TRANSIT COREDORE WHERE 20% ARE WORKFORCE HOUSING. THAT GETS 20% REDUCED PARKING. THE SECOND REDUCTION IS GENERAL BLANKET 30% REDUCTION FOR ALL MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. THAT IS WHAT THE LUPZ COMMITTEE PASSED. IF THIS B2 AMENDMENT WOULD TAKE IT OFF THE TABLE. >>COUN. BENTON: MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR BENTON AND THEN COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BENTON: SINCE WE'RE UP AT THE PLATE AND COUNCILOR PEÑA IS ON DECK, I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND PROPOSE A CHANGE TO THIS. WHICH WOULD BE THAT TO LEAVE THE REDUCTION IN PLACE, THE PARKING REDUCTION OF 20% FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING ONLY. REMOVE THE LANGUAGE THAT SAYS GENERAL MULTI-FAMILY. >>COUN. DAVIS: THAT IN OTHER WORDS IS GOING TO BE ON THE B2 AMENDMENT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO. THAT WOULD BE YOUR PROPOSAL TO AMEND COUNCILOR PEÑA'S AMENDMENT. WOULD COUNCILOR PEÑA CONSIDER THAT A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? >>COUN. PEÑA: I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, COUNCILOR, BUT THEN IT WOULD -- A REDUCTION IN PARKING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. YOU KNO -- >>COUN. BENTON: I KNOW. >>COUN. DAVIS: YOU CAN SPONSOR THAT IF WE GET TO THE OTHER AMENDMENT. >>COUN. BENTON: RIGHT. THE OTHER AMENDMENT WE JUST LEAVE EVERYTHING THE WAY IT IS. CORRECT? >>COUN. BENTON: I'M GOING TO ASK MY CO-SPONSOR IF SHE'S WILLING TO WITHDRAW THIS AMENDMENT AND IF COUNCILOR PEÑA -- THEN THERE'S NO NEED TO -- I'M NOT MISTAKEN, HELP ME OUT. IF WE WITH PPWITHDRAW THIS AMEN- WOULD IT BE NECESSARY TO EVEN CONSIDER -- >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BENTON YES. IT WOULD STILL BE NECESSARY TO CONSIDER B2 BECAUSE THERE WOULD STILL A PARKING REDUCTION LEFT IN THE BILL EVEN IF WE DON'T CLEAN UP THE ERROR THAT TOOK OUT ONE OF THE PARKING REDUCTIONS. >>COUN. BENTON: LET'S SAVE EVERYBODY THE BRAIN DAMAGE. I'M GOING TO WITHDRAW THIS. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'RE GOING TO WITHDRAW FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE IT AS FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. WE DON'T WANT A NEW TWO. WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THE OLD B2 IS NOW GOING TO BE 3. WHICH COMES AFTER TWO BUT BEFORE DOWN THERE. WHATEVER. FOLLOWING ALONG. WE'RE ON B -- >>COUN. BASSAN: I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES AND TENGSD THE MEETING TO 11:30. >>COUN. DAVIS: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT CARRIES 9-0. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU FOR CATCHING THAT. B2 IS FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE. SPONSORED BY COUNCILOR PEÑA. AS IS. >>COUN. PEÑA: AS IS. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR BASSAN. COUNCILORS, WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS? ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE SPONSORED BY COUNCILOR PEÑA SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. 7 RIGHT? ALL THOSE OPPOSED? THAT MATTER CARRIES 7-2. NEXT UP WE HAVE SKIPPED B3 BECAUSE THAT WAS WITHDRAWN. NOW WE ARE ON COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. B4. WHICH IS NUMBER FOUR. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. ON PAGE FIVE LINE 15 DELETE SECTION ONE AND RENUMBER SUBSEQUENT SECTIONS IF FES. THIS AMENDMENT PROPOSES TO DELETE THE SECTION OF THE BILL THAT MAKES DUPLEXES OF PURSE MISSIVE USE. IF PASSED IT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED IN R1 BUT WOULD CONTINUE TO BE ALLOWED IN R1A AS ALLOWED BY THE IDO TODAY. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR GROUT. ANY DISCUSSION? I'M TRYING TO READ AND CATCH UP. ALL RIGHT. ANY DISCUSSION? ANYTHING FROM THE ADMINISTRATION? MR. RAEL. >> MR. PRESIDENT, IN THE WHOLE DISCUSSION OF THE AMENDMENTS, ONE OF THE INTERESTING ISSUES HAS BEEN THIS PARTICULAR OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE ADDITIONAL HOUSING AND TO CREATE DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING. OUR PROPOSAL WAS THAT WE HAVE CASITAS AND DUPLEXES. RECOGNIZE THAT THIS HAS BEEN AN ISSUE FOR A LOT OF FOLKS. IT IS OBVIOUSLY A COSTLY CALL FOR THE COUNCIL. TRUE TO OUR POPESAL WE WOULD NOT SUPPORT THIS AMENDMENT. WE LIKE TO SEE DUPLEXES CONTINUE TO BE OPTION FOR HOUSING IN OUR COMMUNITY. >>COUN. BENTON: IF SHE IS SO WILLING, I WONDER IF COUNCILOR GROUT WOULD LET US KNOW WHETHER SHE'S STILL OPEN TO -- YOU STILL HAVE YOUR ADU OR DUPLEX? THAT'S STILL AN OPTION AS WELL. >>COUN. DAVIS: MAYBE I'LL ADD IF IT DOESN'T PASS I'D LOVE TO SEE THIS COME BACK THROUGH THE REGULAR IDO PROCESS WHERE WE LOOK AT SOME OTHER DETAILS ON HOW THAT MIGHT WORK. WHERE IT MIGHT BE THE MOST APPROPRIATE. I DO THINK IT'S PART OF THE STRATEGY. IT DOESN'T PASS I'D LOVE TO SEE IT COME BACK WITH A LITTLE MORE DETAIL. >>COUN. BENTON: MR. PRESIDENT, IF I CAN FOLLOW WITH THAT. I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN WITH THIS BEING COMBINED. I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SOME PLACES THIS BEING MORE OF A THREAT TO THE EXISTING FABRIC THAN OTHERS. I THINK THERE'S A PLACE FOR DUPLEXES AND WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT DUPLEXES. THERE'S A PLACE FOR THEM IN THE CITY. AND IT DOESN'T REALLY EXIST ANYMORE. FOR THAT REASO -- >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, MS. SHULZ, ARE DUMREGSED ALLOWED CONDEGZALLY ALLOW ARE DUPLEXES ALLOWED? >> THEY'RE PERMISSIVE USE IN CERTAIN ZONE DISTRICTS. IN TERMS OF THE R1, ONLY IN THE SUB-R1A. >>COUN. BASSAN: IS THERE ANYTHING CONDITIONAL? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN, I'M SEEING A NOD. I'M GOING TO ASK MY COLLEAGUE AT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT HELP ME WITH THIS QUESTION. >> COUNCILORS, I'M FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. TODAY AND -- IT CAN BE ATTACHED OR DETACHED. YOU CAN HAVE A CASITA OR YOU CAN HAVE IT ATTACHED TO YOUR HOUSE. IF YOU CONVERT YOUR GARAGE TODAY THAT'S ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT. WE'RE TRYING IN THIS AMENDMENT TO SEPARATE OUT THE TWO TO MAKE IT CLEAR WHAT'S DETACHED AND IN THE BACKYARD AND WHAT'S ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE. TODAY IN R1 YOU CANNOT HAVE A DUPLEX EXCEPT IN R1A WITH A KITCHEN. BUT YOU CAN HAVE ONE WITHOUT A KITCHEN. THAT'S KIND OF THE SAME AS ADDING A ROOM IN YOUR HOUSE WHICH IS PERMISSIVE. WOULD ANYONE EVER COME TO US AND SAY I WOULD LIKE TO ADD ANOTHER ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT WITHOUT A KITCHEN, THEY CAN JUST ADD A BEDROOM. IF THEY WANT -- THAT'S PERMISSIVE. IT'S NOT A DUPLEX, IT'S A SECOND KITCHEN IN YOUR HOUSE. THERE'S A PASS THROUGH IN YOUR HOUSE BETWEEN THAT PLACE WITH THE SECOND KITCHEN AND THE REST OF YOUR HOUSE, THAT'S PERMISSIVE. SO TODAY, A DUPLEXCONDITIONALLY? NO YOU CANNOT. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU FOR THAT, CLEAR AS MUD. BUT ACTUALLY VERY ENLIGHTENING EXPLANATION THAT I HEARD. IT'S POSSIBLE. >>COUN. DAVIS: IF I PUT A LOCK ON MY SECOND BEDROOM CAN I CALL THAT AN ADU? >> IT'S JUST A LOCKED DOOR. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILORS, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? WHICH IS AMENDMENT 4 ON B4. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES. 7, I THINK. AND ALL THOSE OPPOSED? THAT MATTER CARRIES. WE'RE ON AMENDMENT FIVE. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, THIS REMOVES ADU. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I'LL PULL THAT ONE. >>COUN. DAVIS: HE'S NOT GOING TO MOVE B5. THAT SCREWS UP NUMBER. THAT'S OKAY. BECAUSE B6 BECOMES FIVE. COUNCILOR GROUT. B6 AS FIVE. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. FLOOR AMENDMENT FIVE WOULD RESPOND TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT REQUIING ADU BE A CONDITIONAL USE INSTEAD OF PERMISSIVE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF EXISTING SMALL AREA REGULATIONS WHERE OTHER RULES ALREADY APPLY. THE CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS REQUIRES A PUBLIC MEETING AND NOTEFURCATION TO SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS AND NAPED ASSOCIATIONS. THE THE ZONING HEARING EXAMINER WILL CONSIDER JUSTIFICATION FOR THE ADU REQUEST RELATED TO THE MITIGATION OF POTENTIAL HARM ON THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY IN ADDITION TO THE REVIEW AND DECISION CRITERIA. THIS AMENDMENT WOULD RETAIN SPECIAL RULES FOR AREAS OF ALBUQUERQUE THAT REGULATE ADU INDIVIDUALLY. FOR EXAMPLE, ADU ARE PERMISSIVE OR USE WITHIN A QUARTER MILE OF URBAN CENTERS, MAIN STREET AND PREMIUM TRANSIT CORRIDORS. THAT REMAINS IN PLACE IF THE CONDITIONAL USE REQUIREMENT WAS IN PLACE FOR THE REST OF THE CITY. I LIKE TO MOVE THIS ONE. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR GROUT MOVES AMENDMENT FIVE. IS THERE A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR BASSAN. ANYTHING FROM THE ADMINISTRATION? CAN I ASK A BASIC PLANNING QUESTION? HOW MANY CONDITIONAL USES ARE WE DENYING? IT'S MY EXPERIENCE THAT THE CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS APPROVED ABOUT 8 0% OF APPLICATIONS. >> MR. PRESIDENT, I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT NUMBER. AS I LOOK THE NOTICES OF DECISIONS, CONDITIONAL USE REQUESTS WOULD SAY THE MAJORITY OF THEM DO SEEM TO BE APPROVED. >>COUN. DAVIS: I HAVE TO SAY MY OPINION OF THIS IS IT FEELS LIKE -- I'M NOT OPPOSED TO IT. MS. O'MALLEY, IF YOU LIKE TO WEIGH IN. I'M NOT OPPOSED. I THINK IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE I THINK IT GIVES NEIGHBORHOOD THE FALSE IMPRESSION THAT THEY GET INPUT. THEY DON'T. THERE'S A PRETTY HIGH BAR TO PROVE THIS IS BAD FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR IT DOESN'T FIT. THE GENERAL RULE IS THEY DON'T REALLY CHANGE A PLAN. IT JUST DELAYS THE PROCESS. THERE'S BEEN A FEW EXCEPTIONS WHERE THE PROCESS HAS REALLY WEEDED OUT BAD ACTORS OF REALLY BAD IDEAS. >> YES, THANK YOU. JUST WEIGH IN ON CONDITIONAL USE. IT REALLY DOES REQUIRE EXTRA TIME AND RESOURCES. THERE'S ALREADY CONDITIONS ON THE PERMISSIVE USE SIDE. IT'S REALLY INTERESTING THAT THERE ARE CONDITIONS ON PERMISSIVE ALREADY. AND THEY'RE OUTLINED IN THE LEGISLATION. IT MAKES SENSE IT WOULD BE PERMISSIVE. I KNOW SOMEONE THAT DOES DEVELOPMENT IT ADDS EXTRA TIME AND MONEY. YOU'RE ALREADY TALKING ABOUT EITHER GETTING A LOAN FOR A PROJECT OR GETTING IT DESIGNED. ONE APPEAL AFTER ANOTHER. ONCE YOU GET A PERMIT, YOU DO HAVE STANDING. IT DOESN'T MEAN SOMEBODY CAN'T APPEAL IT. YOU'RE IN A STRONGER POSITION TO SAY YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD. I REALLY FEEL STRONGLY WE SHOULD REMAIN PERMISSIVE. ESPECIALLY WHEN I'M TALKING ABOUT EXTRA TIME SCOMBHUN AND MONEY, THAT'S HARD ON FOLKS WHO WANT TO BUILD SOMETHING. WE TALK ABOUT HAVING THAT ENCOURAGED TO HAVE THAT HAPPEN WITH AFFORDABLE PROGRAMS OR PLANS READY TO GO. IT'S GOING TO LIMIT THE ABILITY FOR PEOPLE TO DO THIS IF IT'S CONDITIONAL. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. CAN I ASK WITH PERMISSIVE USE DO YOU HAVE TO NOTIFY THE NEIGHBORS? >> YES. >>COUN. GROUT: WOULD IT BE LIKE CONDITIONAL AND THEY'RE NOTIFIED FOR SURE THAT THEY MAY COME DOWN? OR CAN THEY HAVE A CONVERSATION? >> I THINK THERE'S SOME NOTIFICATION THAT OCCURS. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, THIS WOULD BE CONSIDERED AN ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW. FOR THOSE, THERE'S A POSTED SIGN AND EMAIL THAT IS SENT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. I FIRMLY BELIEVE, I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT COMMUNICATION IS REALLY IMPORTANT AND MAKING THE NEIGHBORHOOD MORE -- WHEN YOUR NEIGHBORS ARE AWARE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING AND BEFORE IT'S HAPPENING, LIKE YOU SAID, I'VE USED THIS EXAMPLE, MY NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR WERE PUTTING IN AN ADU, CHARMING, BUT IT WAS GOING TO BLOCK OUR VIEW SO WE ASKED THEM DID -- COULD YOU MOVE IT OVER SIX FEET, AND THEY SAID SURE. AND THEY HAVE A LOY CASITA. GREAT. I STILL HAVE A VIEW. AND WE'RE STILL FRIENDS. I THINK THIS IS -- WHEN YOU TAKE AWAY THE CONVERSATION AND YOU'RE NOT COMMUNICATING, AND COMMUNICATION IS SUPER IMPORTANT. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAVE TO ELIMINATE THAT. I DON'T THINK THAT'S ALWAYS THE BEST THING. >> I THINK, AGAIN, MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, IT REALLY IS ABOUT THE PERMISSIVE USE GIVES YOU STANDING TO MOVE FORWARD. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF A PERMIT. TO HAVE PERMISSIVE USE. EVEN THOUGH THERE MIGHT BE APPEAL PROCESS YOU STILL HAVE THAT ENTITLEMENT WHICH IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO MOVE FORWARD. OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, IT CAN GO THROUGH ONE APPEAL AFTER ANOTHER. AND THE APPLICANTS HAS TO APPROVE IT'S NOT INJUREOUS. I THINK THE STANDARDS EXIST AND WE CAN IMPROVE ON THOSE ALREADY, BUT IF THE STANDARDS EXIST THIS IS THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT, THESE ARE THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS, THIS IS -- THOSE ARE STANDARDS YOU HAVE TO MEET ALREADY AS A PERMISSIVE USE. >>COUN. DAVIS: YOU HAVE A STAFFER THAT IS VERY ANXIOUS TO TELL YOU SOMETHING. >> I JUST ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THERE'S ANOTHER OPTION IF THE CONVERSATION IS REALLY WHAT YOU'RE AFTER. THE PRE-SUBMITTAL NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING TO GET THAT EARLY CONVERSATION EVEN BEFORE AN APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED. WE'VE HEARD TESTIMONY ABOUT THE WORRY ABOUT PITTING NEIGHBOR AGAINST NEIGHBOR. SOMETIMES BEFORE THAT APPLICATION GETSES TO THE CITY IF THERE'S CAN BE A CONVERSATION BEFORE TIME AND MONEY HAS BEEN SPENT ON FINAL DRAWINGS, HAVING THAT CONVERSATION BEFORE THE DRAWINGS ARE SUBMITTED ALLOWS THAT GOOD PROBLEM SOLVING BETWEEN TWO NEIGHBORS. THAT'S ANOTHER AVENUE SO WE USE THE STANDARDS THAT ARE DR. PREDICTABLE BUT ADD THE EARLY CONVERSATION. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. MR. PRESIDENT, ONE FINAL THING I WILL SAY. THIS FLOOR AMENDMENT -- I'M BRINGING IT FORWARD TOO BECAUSE OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN ALL OF THE COMMUNICATION THAT I'VE SEEN THAT WE'VE ALL SEEN THAT PEOPLE ARE -- WHEN WE'RE COMPROMISING, WE'RE MAKING COMPROMISES, WE DON'T ALWAYS GET EVERYTHING WE WANT. YOU MAKE COMPROMISES. I'VE SEEN OVER THE CONVERSATION OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS NOW, FOUR MONTHS, THAT THE COMPROMISE THAT SOME OF THESE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS ARE MAKING. AND THEY'RE SAYING, OKAY, MAYBE THESE ARE OKAY BUT MAKE THEM CONDITIONAL. THEY'RE MAKING THE COMPROMISE. I HAVE NOT SEEN FROM THE ADMINISTRATION ANY COMPROMISE COME FORWARD ON THEIR OWN. SO, IT'S DISAPPOINTING TO ME. I'M BRINGING THIS FORWARD AS A COMPROMISE ON BEHALF OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE NEIGHBORS AND NOT JUST NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION THAT HAVE REACHED OUT. THESE ARE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS. I WOULD URGE YOU TO CONSIDER MAKING THESE CONDITIONAL. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR BASSAN HAD A QUESTION BEFORE WE CLOSE. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, YOU MIGHT WANT TO BRING YOUR COMPUTER UP THERE. IT WOULD BE EASIER FOR YOU. IS THE PRE-SUBMITTAL NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING ADVERTISED TO NEIGHBORS OR RECOGNIZED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN, THE PRE-SUBMITTAL OFFER GOES TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION THAT ARE RECOGNIZED. AND IF THERE ISN'T ON -- IF THE PROPERTY WHERE IT IS GOING TO GO IN IT GOES TO THE NEXT NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITHIN A MILE. IT GOES OUT PRETTY FAR AND THEY CAN INVITE TO WHOEVER THEY WANT. >>COUN. BASSAN: IT'S MISSING A BIG CHUNK OF COMMUNICATION. I KNOW MANY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS HAVE DECIDED NOT TO BE RECOGNIZED. I KNOW OURS THAT I LIVE IN IS MORE THAN A QUARTER MILE ITSELF. I THINK THAT IS A WAY WE'RE GOING TO MISS SOME OF THE COMMUNICAING WITH PEOPLE. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER FIVE. SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAB FAVOR OF ADU CONDITIONAL USE SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT CARRIES 5-4. NEXT UP B7. COUNCILOR GROUT. THIS WILL BE NUMBER SIX. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER SIX IS -- THIS AMENDMENT REQUIRES THAT ANY ADU BE SET BACK A MINIMUM OF FIVE FEET FROM THE REAR LOT LINE AND A MINIMUM OF FIVE FEET FROM THE SIDE LOT LINE CURRENTLY ACCESSORY STRUCTURES DO NOT HAVE A MINIMUM REQUIRED SET BACK FROM THE REAR OR SIDE LOTS. FIRE CODE VIA THE BUILDING CODE REQUIRES ANY ADU BE AT LEAST TEN FEET FROM ANOTHER BUILDING NOT FROM A LOT LINE UNLESS A SPECIFIC QUALITY OF FIREPROOF MATERIALS ARE PROVIDED IN THE CONSTRUCTION AND APPROVED THROUGH THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS. EXISTING REGULATIONS REQUIRE THAT ANY A DUH ADU BE FROM TEN FEET FROM OTHER BUILDINGS. THEY'RE NOT HAD PERMITTED FROM BEING IN FRONT OF ANY EXISTING BUILDING. A FRONT SET BACK IS NOT NECESSARY TO REGULATE. I MOVE THIS ONE. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR BASSAN. COUNCILORS, ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COUNCILOR BENTON. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I'LL JUST MAKE THE POINT THAT I MADE AT LUPZ, SO, WE'RE PUTTING PLENTY OF BARRIERS TO DOING ADUs. THIS ONE COULD BE A BIG ONE. THERE'S NOTHING -- ACCESSORY BUILDINGS ARE ALLOWED -- THE WAY YOU DEAL WITH IT IS YOU PUT A FIRE WALL. ACCESSORY BUILDING DON'T HAVE SETBACKS. THIS WOULD BE CREAING AN UNUSUAL SETBACK FOR AN ACCESSORY BUILDING. AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT A 45-FOOT WIDE OLDER LOT YOU HAVE TO STEP BACK FROM THE PROPERTY LINE SO IT WOULD BE THAT MUCH MORE DIFFICULT. AT THE SAME TIME IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BUILD A FIRE LAW AND LEAVE A DOGTROT ON THE SIDE OF THE YARD, THE BUILDING WITHOUT THE FIRE WALL IS GOING TO BE THREE FEET FROM THE SIDE YARD ANYWAY. AND THEN SIMILARLY IT'S BACK. I THINK I OFFER A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT THAT YOU CAN HAVE A REAR SET BACK OF FIVE FEET AND A SIDE SET OR A -- BUT NOT BOTH. BECAUSE YOU'RE REALLY STARTING TO ELIMINATE THE OPTION OF THE BUILDING STRUCTURE. THERE'S DIFFERENT REARS. SOME ARE IN AN ALLEY AND SOME ARE NOT. >>COUN. DAVIS: WOULD THE SPONSOR CONSIDER THAT A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT FOR EITHER SET BACK INSTEAD OF MANDATORY BOTH? DOES COUNCILOR BENTON WANT TO RUN THAT AS AN AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT? >>COUN. BENTON: I'LL -- YES THE AMENDMENT HAS BEEN MOVED. I'LL MOVE THIS AS AN AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT. AND I KNOW THIS PROBABLY UNCONVENTIONAL. WE DON'T REALLY DO IT. BUT WE COULD DO IT. WE COULD SAY THAT IT SHALL BE FIVE FEET FROM EITHER THE REAR OR THE SIDE YARD BUT NOT NECESSARILY BOTH. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BENTON, YES, I THINK THAT LANGUAGE WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE AND WE CAN CRAFT AN AMENDMENT THAT REFLECTS WHAT YOU VERBALLY STATED IF THIS AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT IS TO PASS. >>COUN. BENTON: I'LL MOVE THE AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR JONES. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT MATTER? LET ME ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION. I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER. THIS CAME UP AT A NOB HILL FORUM. ALL OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT INCLUDE NOB HILL, THEY HAVE GARAGES/ADU BUILT ON THE 40s. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP IF IT'S NOT CURRENTLY BEING USED AS ADU AND WANTED TO KERNVERT IT TO ONE, WOULD THE SET BACKS PROHIBIT THEM FROM DOING THAT? IT'S A RENTAL WITHOUT A KITCHEN. IF THEY ADD A KITCHEN, WOULD THE SET BACKS PROHIBITED IT? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, I INVITE MY FRIENDS FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. HOW A PROPERTY WOULD COME INTO COMPLIANCE THAT MEET THE SPECIFIC SPANNEDEREDS. >> IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED NON-CONFORMING. THEY WOULD HAVE TO ASK FOR A VARIANCE. IT WOULD STILL BE LEGALLY DICY. I THINK THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT LOOKS DOWN ON THAT. IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING NON-CONFORMING WE DON'T ALLOW YOU TO MAKE IT NON-CONFORMING. THAT WOULD BE PROBLEMATIC. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, AGAIN. GIVEN THAT. I THINK SOME OF THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS WERE BUILT BEFORE WE HAD IDEAS LIKE THIS. I HAVE NO INTENTION OF HAVING ANYONE ELSE IN MY BACKYARD. I DON'T LIKE ALL OF THE ANIMALS AND OTHER THING THAT SHOW UP THERE. I DON'T WANT ANY MORE PEOPLE IN MEYER -- MY YARD. I THINK IN SOME OF THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOOD THIS MAY WIPE OUT AN OPTION THAT WANT TO BRING IN OLDER PARENTS. I THINK I LIKE COUNCILOR BENTON'S AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT. IF ONLY BECAUSE IT OPENS UP MORE OF THOSE. I'M JUST THINKING OF PLACES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK THEY HAVE ONE OR THE OTHER. BUT NOT BOTH. ANYWAY. JUST THING ABOUT OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, I WILL POINT OUT SINCE YOU DID MAKE THAT CONDITIONAL, THAT CAN BE A CONDITION ADDED TO THE APPROVAL IS THERE ARE SET BACKS THAT ARE DIFFERENT THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE REQUIRED. IT CAN ALWAYS BE DONE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. >>COUN. DAVIS: THE AMENDMENT IS THE AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT CHANING THE SET BACK TO EITHER OR OR INSTEAD OF BOTH. COUNCILOR GROUT WANTS TO ASK THE ADMINISTRATION IF THEY HAVE AN OPINION. >> MR. PRESIDENT, I'M GOING TO ASK MS. O'MALLEY TO RESPOND. SHE'S GOT MORE DETAIL AND UNDERSTANDS THAT PROCESS. I'M NOT SURE HER FACIAL EXPRESSION SAYS SHE DOES. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR BENTON HAS AN AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT THAT INSTEAD OF MAKING IT A FIVE FOOT ON THE FRONT AND BACKSIDE IT ALLOWS IT TO BE EITHER OR INSTEAD OF BOTH. INSTEAD OF SET BACK FROM THE REAR AND SIDE IT WOULD BE EITHER THE SIDE OR THE REAR. >> I SEE. I DON'T SEE THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THAT. >>COUN. DAVIS: MS. O'MALLEY DOES NOT CARE. >> WE HAVE AN INTERESTING SITUATION WHERE COUNCILOR BENTON LIVES THERE'S AN AREA IN POST-WAR AREA DEVELOPMENT. WITH NORTHEAST HEIGHTS WE HAVE ALLEY WAYS. AND IN THE CASE OF DOWNTOWN THERE'S THE ADU ARE AGAINST THE ALLEY. I THINK IT'S AN UNUSUAL SITUATION. SO, TYPICALLY, I THINK YOU WANT SET BACKS. >>COUN. DAVIS: THE AMENDMENT IS EITHER OR. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. AS WAS POINTED OUT THAT COULD ACCOMMODATE AN ALLEY CONDITION. AND YOU HAVE THE SET BACK ON THE OTHER SIDE AS TO THE ONE YOU DESCRIBED WHEN SOMEBODY WANTED TO CONVERT. AND AGAIN AS WAS STATED SINCE ITS NOW CONDITIONAL USE, THEY CAN ASK FOR WHATEVER THEY WANT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. >>COUN. DAVIS: OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT FOR THE EITHER OR AMENDMENT SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED? 7-2 IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT. WE'RE BACK ON SIX AS AMENDED. COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: LET'S PASS THIS. >>COUN. DAVIS: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. 7. OPPOSED? 2. >>COUN. JONES: I ASK FOR RECONSIDERATION. [ INAUDIBLE ]. >>COUN. JONES: I VOTED YES ON THAT. AND I WAS NOT PAYING ATTENTION. RECONSIDERATION. >>COUN. JONES: COUNCILOR JONES ASKED FOR A MOTION TO RECONSIDER WHAT WAS FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER FIVE. THAT IS ITEM B6 IN YOUR PACKET. VOTED IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. SHE HAS THE RIGHT TO ASK FOR THAT MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND FOR THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER. WE HAVE SEVERAL. COUNCILOR BENTON IS WHO I SAW FIRST. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR FOR MOTION TO RECONSIDER. SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. FIVE. WE'RE BACK ON FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER FIVE. COUNCILOR JONES. >>COUN. JONES: I ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT. ONE MORE TIME. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR BENTON IS A SECOND. I NEEDED TO CATCH UP. FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER FIVE IS B6 WHICH IS CONDITIONAL USE FOR ADU THAT PASSED. THIS WOULD RECONSIDER THAT VOTE. >>COUN. JONES: YES, RECONSIDER THIS. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'RE BACK ON THE MATTER. >>COUN. DAVIS: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF PASSING FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER FIVE WHICH MAKES ADU CONDITIONAL USE. THANK YOU. SAY YES. B6. FLOOR AMENDMENT FIVE WHICH IS B6. I'LL ASK THE CLERK TO HELP ME. FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER FIVE WAS ITEM B6. THAT MADE ADU CONDITIONAL USE. THAT PREVIOUSLY PASS. COUNCILOR JONES ASKED FOR RECONSIDERATION. WE'RE BACK ON THE AMENDMENT. THE QUESTION IS SHOULD ADU BE A CONDITIONAL USE. CORRECT? GREAT. ALL THOSE IN FABER -- FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? THAT NOW FAILS. THANK YOU. WE'RE BACK AND ALREADY DONE B7 WHICH IS FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER SIX ONSET BACKS. WE'RE NOW ON B8. COUNCILOR GROUT IS GOING TO PASS. BUT HAVING NOT -- HAVING REMOVED DUPLEXES. YOU'RE GOING TO PASS ON B8. STRUCTURAL HEIGHTS. MAKING THIS 7. >>COUN. BENTON: MR. PRESIDENT, I MOVE FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER SEVEN. >>COUN. JONES: SECOND. >>COUN. BENTON: THIS IS ON PAGE FIVE LINE 30, ADD NEW SUBSECTION. AND THIS REQUIRES THAT AN ACCESS RY DWELLB UNIT NOT BE TALLER THAN THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANYTHING FROM THE ADMINISTRATION? >> NO FURTHER COMMENTS. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANYTHING FROM THE ADMINISTRATION? [ INAUDIBLE ] >> I JUST WONDERED IF THIS LINE FROM THE PLANNER, IF SOMEONE WANTS TO HAVE A ONE-STORY HOUSE AND SOMEONE WILL PUT IN A SECOND STORY ROOM OR APARTMENT AND DOES THIS APPLY TO THAT? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, THAT WOULDN'T BE CONSIDERED AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT BECAUSE IT'S ATTACHED TO PRIMARY STRUCTURE. [ INAUDIBLE ] >>COUN. PEÑA: SO, I GUESS BACK TO WHAT MS. O'MALLEY, SO IF YOU WERE TO BUILD A DETACHED GARAGE AND AN ACCESSORY DWELLING ON TOP OF THAT, IS THAT NOT ALLOWED WITH THIS AMENDMENT? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR PEÑA, YES, THAT'S CORRECT. PRIMARY STRUCTURE OR THE HOUSE ON THE LOT IS A SINGLE STORY YOU BUILD A SINGLE STORY DETACHED GARAGE THAT YOU END UP WANTING TO CONVERT YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ADD A SECOND STORY TO THE DETACHED BUILDING BECAUSE THAT DETACHED BUILDING WOULD BE LIMITED TO THE STRUCTURE HEIGHT OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY. >>COUN. PEÑA: OKAY. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BENTON: I APPRECIATE THE QUESTIONS ON THIS. IF IT'S OKAY WITH MY CO-SPONSOR I WOULD LIKE TO CREATE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A DWELLING THAT'S BUILT ON TOP OF A TWO-CAR GARAGE. IS THAT FEASIBLE? IN OTHER WORDS IF YOU'RE JUST BUILDING A TWO-STORY HOUSE BEHIND A ONE-STORY HOUSE YOU CAN'T DO IT. IF YOU'RE BUILDING A SECONDARY DWELLING UNIT ON TOP OF A GARAGE YOU WOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO IT? YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'RE GOING TO LET THE PLANNERS TALK. DOES THE CO-SPONSOR AGREE? >>COUN. JONES: ABSOLUTELY. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, IN THE INSTANCE -- IN THE EXAMPLE THAT COUNCILOR PEÑA DESCRIBED I'VE JUST BEEN INFORMED THAT IF YOU WERE TO ADD A UNIT ON TOP OF THE DETACHED GARAGE THAT WOULD MAKE A DUPLEX AND THAT'S AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT BECAUSE A DETACHED DPRAUJ IS -- GARAGE IS CONSIDERED PART OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE EVEN IF IT'S DETACHED. AND WHEN YOU ADD A DWELLING UNIT THAT'S PART OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE THAT IS NOW DUPLEX AND NOT AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THIS IS WHY IT TAKES FOREVER TO GET PLANS BACK FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. >>COUN. BENTON: I WITHDRAW MY QUESTION. THAT WOULD BE TACKLED ON THE NEXT GO ROUND. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'LL BRING THAT BACK NEXT GO ROUND. WE'RE BACK ON IT AS WRITTEN. WHICH DIDN'T SOUND COMPLICATED THE FIRST TIME. FLOOR AMENDMENT. WE NEED TO WAIT ON COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: CAN YOU SUM UP WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON? ARE -- >>COUN. DAVIS: B9 AS WRITTEN. HE'S WITHDRAWN THE AMENDMENT. WE'RE KILLING TIME UNTIL COUNCILOR SANCHEZ COMES BACK. >> MR. PRESIDENT, JUST TO CLARIFY FOR THE COUNCIL, WHAT THIS AMENDMENT WOULD DO IF PASSED IS LIMITS ANY ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT WHICH IS A DETACHED DWELLING UNIT WITH A CATCHED, THE HEIGHT OF THAT DWELLING UNIT, THE STRUCTURE HEIGHT WILL BE LIMITED TO THE STRUCTURE HEIGHT OF THE PRIMARY DWELLING UNIT ON THE PROPERTY. >>COUN. PEÑA: SO THE AMENDMENT IS STILL ON IT FLOOR? >>COUN. DAVIS: JUST WAITING ON COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. WE'RE OWN FLOOR AMENDMENT AS WRITTEN. COUNCILOR BENTON WITH DREW HIS QUESTION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF B9 RELATED TO ADU HEIGHT. SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? 8-1. THANK YOU FOR BEING PATIENT. NEXT UP IS B10. THIS WOULD BE EIGHT. >>COUN. BASSAN: THIS IS RELEVANT BECAUSE B5 DID NOT GO THROUGH. JUST MAKING SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. THIS WOULD AMEND SUBSECTION G ON PAGE SEVEN LINE 22. AND IN SECTION TWO OF THE -- CREATE NEW SUBSECTION TO AMEND SMALL AREA PROVISIONS WHERE ACCESSORIES DWELLING UNITS REQUIRE CONDITIONAL USE. THIS AMENDMENT -- I WILL MOVE THIS AMENDMENT. AND IT PROPOSES TO REMOVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUIREMENTS FOR ADU IN AREAS THAT HAVE THEM TODAY. THIS WILL MAKE ADU'S PERMISSIVE IN ALL R1 ZONED PARCELS IN THE CITY INCLUING AREAS THAT REQUIRE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TODAY THAT INCLUDE BARELA, SOUTH BROADWAY, AND ZUNI NEIGHBORHOODS. >>COUN. DAVIS: SEVERAL SECONDS. I SAW COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN FIRST. ANYBODY TO EXPLAIN? OR ANY QUESTIONS? ANYTHING FROM THE ADMINISTRATION? WE'LL GO BACK TO THE SPONSOR. TO CLOSE. COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER EIGHT. SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT IS UNANIMOUS. B11. WHEREAS CLAUSES. COUNCILOR BASSAN, FLOOR AMENDMENT NINE. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, ON PAGE TWO -- I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FLOOR AMENDMENT NINE. DELETE THE FOLLOWING WHEREAS, THE CITY HAS THE RESPONSIBILITY TO ESTABLISH LAND USE AND ZONING REGULATIONS THAT RESPOND TO CHANGES IN THE SUPPLY AND DEMAND FOR HOUSING. AND ON PAGE TWO LINE 28 DELETE THE FOLLOWING WHEREAS, WHERE THE POINT IN TIME COUNT IDENTIFIED 1300 PEOPLE EXPERIENING HOMELESSNESS IN 2022. ON PAGE FOUR WHEREAS THE HISTORY OF R-1 ZONING INCLUDES EFFORTS TOEXCLUDE PEOPLE OF COLOR INSTEAD OF OUTSIDE THE DOMINANT RACE AND LOWER INCOME HOUSEHOLDS. THIS PROPOSES TO DELETE THE WHEREAS LEGISLATION BECAUSE THE CITY COUNCIL, NOT THE CITY HAS THE RESPONSIBILITY TO ESTABLISH LAND USE. THERE'S A CONCERN THAT THE POINT IN TIME COUNTERIZE NOT ACCURATE. USING THE DOMINANT RACE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ACCURATE IN THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN OR -- IT'S YUCKY. >>COUN. DAVIS: MOTION AND A SECOND. COUNCILORS, QUESTIONS, ANYTHING FROM THE ADMINISTRATION? COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER NINE. SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT MATTER IS UNANIMOUS. MICROWAVES FOR RESIDENTIAL CONVERSIONS. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, THAT'S NUMBER TEN. B12. HE'S GOT NOT. B12 WILL PASS. COUNCILOR PEÑA HOWEVER HAS A NEW IDEA. FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER TEN. ITEM B12 IS BACK AN AS A COUNCILOR PEÑA SPONSORED AMENDMENT. IS THERE A SECOND? COUNCILOR BASSAN. WOULD YOU GIVE US A RUN DOWN AND I'LL GO TO THE SPONSOR? >> SURE THING, MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, IN THE BILL AS IT'S BEEN AMENDED, THERE IS LANGUAGE RELATE TODAY THE CONVERSION OF NONRESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, THERE'S BEEN A CARVE OUT FOR WHAT THAT IDO CONSIDERS A KITCHEN FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE VERY SPECIFIC CONVERPGZS. -- CONVERSIONS. THE LANGUAGE THAT GOT PASSED BY THE LAND USE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE STATES THAT THE MICROWAVE OR INDUCTION COOK TOP COULD SERVE AS A REQUIREMENT FOR A COOKING, HEATING APPLIANCES FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE KITCHEN. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ ASKED ABOUT MICROWAVE OR INDUCTION TO SAY HE HEARD FROM CONSTITUENTS THAT CERTAIN TYPES OF HUD FUNDING WOULD NOT ALLOW THEM TO STAY IN A UNIT THAT DIDN'T HAVE A MICROWAVE OR STOVE. SO THE AMENDMENT PROPOSES TO ADD THAT MICROWAVE REQUIREMENT BACK TO THE KITCHEN DEFINITION. THAT KITCHEN DEFINITION SPECIFIC TO NON-RESIDENTIAL TO RESIDENTIAL. THE OUTCOME IS IF FOLKERIZE DOING CONVERSIONS THEY NEED TO PROVIDE A MICROWAVE AND INDUCTION COOK TOP TO MAKE SURE FOLKS WITH HUD FUNDING CAN LEGALLY STAY IN THE UNITS. I'LL CLARIFY IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY CAN'T BE BUILT TO STANDARDS, BUT IF THEY HAVE A VOUCHER AND SHOW UP AND REQUEST TO STAY IN THE APARTMENTS, WHERE HUD WOULD SAY YOU CAN'T BECAUSE OF THE KITCHEN DEFINITION DOESN'T MEET WHAT WE REQUIRE, THIS WOULD FIX THAT. >>COUN. DAVIS: WOULD OR WOULD NOT? >> WOULD FIX THAT. >>COUN. PEÑA: URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF AMENDMENT TEN BY COUNCILOR PEÑA. SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. ANY OPPOSED? ONE. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN OPPOSED. B13 IS COUNCILOR PEÑA. THAT WOULD BE 11. >>COUN. PEÑA: I MOVE AMENDMENT NUMBER 11. >> THE LAND USE PLANNING AND ZONING PASSED A BUILDING HEIGHT BONUS. A SET OF BUILDING HEIGHT BONUSES FOR MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. AND ADDED TO THE EXISTING BONUSES IN THE IDO RELATE TODAY WORKFORCE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. I'M GOING TO SCROLL ALL THE WAY BACK TO A TABLE THAT I HAD PRODUCED. ALL THE RED TEXT IN THIS TABLE SHOWS WHAT THE LAND USE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE IS PROPOSED TO ADD TO THE IDO. THIS WOULD TAKE OUT ALL OF THE BONUSES. THE RESULT IS A BUILDING HEIGHT REGULATION AS THEY EXIST IN THE I.D.O. WOULD CONTINUE TO STAY IN PLACE WITHOUT TE ADDITIONAL BONUSES. >>COUN. BENTON: MR. PRESIDENT, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE APAMENDMENT -- AN AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT. WHICH WOULD MAIN TAIN THE BONUS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING ONLY. AND WOULD REMOVE THE BONUS FOR OTHER HOUSING. >>COUN. DAVIS: FOR THE RECORD I'LL SECOND THAT IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT ALREADY. I'M SORRY, COUNCILOR, WOULD YOU READ THAT TO ME AGAIN? >>COUN. BENTON: I THINK MS. SHULZ. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS I HAVE THE LANGUAGE I CAN READ INTO THE RECORD THAT ACCOMPLISH WHAT COUNCILOR BENTON WANTS. SO FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER 11 WOULD BE AMENDED SECTION ONE WOULD BE REPLACED WITH THE FOLLOWING. LUPZ AMENDMENT A8 STRIKE SECTION ONE A AND SECTION FIVE RELATED TO NEW BUILDING HEIGHT BONUSES IN THE IDO FOR MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. THE RESULT OF THAT AMENDMENT IS THE NEW BONUSES, SPECIFIC TO WORKFORCE HOUSING WOULD REMAIN. BUT REGULAR MULTI-FAM LEDEVELOPMENT WITH NO INCOME RESTRICTIONS WOULD COME OUT. >>COUN. DAVIS: IS THERE A SECOND FOR THE AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT? I'LL SECOND IT FOR DISCUSSION. COUNCILOR BENTON. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. I THINK THIS WAS A -- FOCUSED ON WORKFORCE HOUSING. I THINK WORKFORCE HOUSING IS THE MORE CHALLENING OF THE TWO TYPES AS OPPOSED TO THE REGULAR MARKET APARTMENT. TO GET BUILT. I THINK THIS GIVES ADDITIONAL ADVANTAGE TO GETTING THE WORKFORCE HOUSING PROJECTS BUILT. OTHERWISE, THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE SAME AS ANY OTHER APARTMENT BUILDING AND LIKELY TO BE LESS LIKELY TO BE CONSTRUCTED. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. CAN YOU REMIND ME HOW WE'RE DEFINING THE WORKFORCE HOUSING? FOR EXAMPLE, IF SOMEBODY IS PUTTING IN A UNIT MULTI-FAMILY AND THEY'RE GOING TO PUT FIVE OF THEM AS GUARANTEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING WOULD THAT NOT FALL UNDER THIS OR NOT FALL UNDER THIS? >> THE IDO HAS A DEFINITION FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING AND REFERS BACK TO THE TRUST FUND ORDINANCE AND IT'S THAT ORDINANCE THAT DEFINES WHAT INCITY KRRZ TO BE >>COUN. DAVIS: MAYBE ASK MR. RAEL IF THE ADMINISTRATION HAS A POSITION AND GO TO COUNCILOR BENTON. >>COUN. BENTON: IF THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT ANSWER THAN MINE, AS A FORMER SPONSOR, IT DOES REQUIRE PERMANENT DWELLING. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU. MY QUESTION WAS MORE ALONG THE LINE OF WHAT PERCENTAGE OF PERMANENT AFFORDABILITY. WE'VE BEEN TALKING A LOT ABOUT THE FACT WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE ONE UNIT THAT'S JUST ALL AFFORDABLE HOUSING WE WOULD LIKE SEE MIXED INCOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. IF WE'RE GOING TO DO HALF OR LESS AS PERMANENTLY AFFORDABLE DOES THAT TRIGGER THE WORKFORCE HOUSING DEFINITION? SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS BUT IN GENERAL I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. >>COUN. BENTON: MS. O'MALLEY WAS THE OTHER CO-SPONSOR. SHE MAY REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF HER HEAD. MIXED INCOME. LET'S SEE WHAT THEY SAY. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, BETWEEN THE IDO AND THE CITY'S TWUS -- TRUST FUND ORD NUMBERS BRNG AT LEAST 30% NEED TO BE RESTRICTED TO FOLKS MAKING 80% OF AMI OR LESS OF AMI. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: DOES THE ADMINISTRATION WANT TO WEIGH IN ON THE AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT? >> MR. PRESIDENT, OBVIOUSLY THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS ORDINANCE WERE TO MAXIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF HOUSING UNITS AVAILABLE. OBVIOUSLY THE AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT PRESERVES A PORTION OF THAT. AND WOULD CERTAINLY BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. ALTHOUGH, WE'D LOVE TO NOT HAVE THE AMENDMENT AT ALL. IT LIMITS THE HOUSING AVAILABILITY. THAT'S OUR INTENT IN THE ENTIRE PROCESS. COMPROMIING AND TRYING TO WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE THIS WORK, OBVIOUSLY THE AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT WOULD BE FINE WITH THAT. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANYTHING FURTHER? >>COUN. BENTON: URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT -- I'M SORRY. >>COUN. PEÑA: YOU DO NOT SUPPORT THE AMENDMENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR TO THE AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? THAT WAS A 4-5. AND THEN WE'RE BACK ON THE AMENDMENT. AS PRESENTED BY COUNCILOR PEÑA. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF AMENDMENT 11 RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? 5-4. AMENDMENT 11 PASSES. >> I'D LIKE TO VERIFY THE VOTE. YOU STATED IT WAS 5-4? >>COUN. DAVIS: THE AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT FAILED ON A 4-5. >> WE HAVE IT FAILING ON 3-6. >>COUN. DAVIS: OKAY. IT'S STILL FAIL. >> YESES FOR THE AMENDMENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: IT WAS MYSELF, COUNCILOR BENTON, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, AND COUNCILOR JONES. >> OKAY. GOT THAT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANKS. THANKS FOR CHECKING. WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET THROUGH THIS. LET'S DO THIS ONE MORE TIME SO I DON'T FORGET. LIKE I ALMOST DID. MAKE A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES AND EXTEND THE MEETING TO MIDNIGHT. THAT SHOULD GET US THERE, MAYBE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT MATTER CARRIES. WE'RE ALMOST THERE. B14. COUNCILOR PEÑA. THIS IS NOW 12. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I'LL HAND IT OVER. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, AMENDMENT B14 PROPOSES TO ADD ONE NEW WHEREAS CLAUSE RELATED TO DEVELOPMENT AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE CITY AND PROPOSES TO ADD PURPOSE STATEMENTS. ON THE FIRST PAGE YOU FIND LIST OF PIRN -- PURPOSE STATEMENTS WHICH INTEND TO TELL THE READER WHAT IT'S ABOUT AND HOW IT ADDS TWO ADDITIONAL PURPOSE STATEMENTS RELATED TO INFILL AND OTHER OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE NOT INFILL. >>COUN. DAVIS: IS THERE A SECOND? COUNCILOR LEWIS. I'LL TAKE LEWIS. BACK ON YOUR BILL OR AMENDMENT. >>COUN. PEÑA: IF NO ONE ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK, I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. I KNOW IT'S IMPORTANT. WE'VE FOCUSED ON PRIMARILY DEVELOPMENT AND CERTAIN SECTIONS OF THE CITY. WEST SIDE IN PARTICULAR WITHIN THE CITY BOUNDARY HAS BEEN NEGATIVELY IMPACTED BY THAT. I THINK THIS AMENDMENT WILL JUST SAY THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT OTHER OPPORTUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND ENCOURAGE OPPORTUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE CITY. URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF FLOOR AMENDMENT 12 SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. SIX. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, ARE YOU A YES OR NO? WE'LL MAKE THAT A 7-2. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN AND MYSELF ARE THE NOES. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR PEÑA, B15 IS NOW 13. >>COUN. PEÑA: [ INAUDIBLE ]. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR PEÑA, B13 PROPOSES TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL WHEREAS CLAUSE TO THE BILL ENCOURAGING CITY STAFF TO REVIEW SECTOR DEVELOPMENT PLANS. THOSE WERE THE SMALL AREA PLANS THAT WERE IN PLACE PRIOR TO THE IDO BEING ADOPTED. TO REVIEW THOSE AND THE COMPONENTS WITHIN THOSE AND OFFER RECOMMEND AGDZ DAEGSZ RECOMMENDATION . >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THIS HAD BEEN DONE. IS IT THE THOUGHT WE NEED TO DO IT AGAIN TO DOUBLE CHECK? WHY WOULD WITH WE NEED TO REVIEW THIS AGAIN? >> MR. PRESIDENT, THAT QUESTION MIGHT BE BETTER SUITOR FOR THE SPONSOR. >>COUN. PEÑA: SO, YES. I WAS NOT IN SUPPORT OF REMOVING OUR PLANS ORIGINALLY. WHEN WE ACTUALLY -- I KNEW I DIDN'T HAVE THE SUPPORT FOR IT. I THINK WE ADDED THE SECTION WHERE PEOPLE COULD REFER TO THEM. THEY WEREN'T PART OF THE METE AND -- MEAT AND POTATOES OF THE IDO. OVER TIME AND THE AMENDMENTS THAT OCCURRED THERE'S SECTIONS OF THE CITY THAT ELIMINATED SECONDER PLANS AND CREATED THE SMALL MAPPED AREAS WITH PROTECTION OVERLAYS. PRIMARILY IN DOWNTOWN AREA AND I THINK THERE'S OTHER AREAS THAT SHOULD BE REVISITED JUST LIKE SOME OF THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: AND CAN COUNCILOR, IF THIS DOESN'T PASS, I'M NOT AWARE, MAYBE THIS IS A SPONSOR QUESTION, THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY PROHIBITION ON SOMEONE DOING THAT ON A LIMITED BASIS OR ANYWHERE SPECIFICALLY IN THE CITY, THIS IS JUST FORMALIING THIS? >>COUN. PEÑA: YEAH. I THINK YOU CAN DO IT THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROCESS. YOU CAN LOOK AT DIFFERENT SECTIONS. THAT'S WHAT OCCURRED. FOR ME, BEING OPPOSED SINCE THE BEGINNING AND SEEING WE CREATED THE SAME THING OVER THE YEARS IN SOME AREAS THAT ARE IN REALLY MARGINALIZED AREAS THAT UTILIZE SOME PROTECTIONS HAVE BEEN OVERLOOKED. I THINK THIS IS A GOOD TIME TO REVISIT THAT AND LOOK AT THOSE NECESSARY. >>COUN. DAVIS: OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COUNCILOR BENTON. >>COUN. BENTON: JUST QUICKLY, IN THE CENTRAL PLANNING AREA WE JUST DID ACTUALLY IN THE PROCESS OF TALKING ABOUT THIS, WE'RE LOOKING AT ADDING ADDITIONAL PROVISIONS IN ADDITIONAL NEIGHBORHOODS AS PART OF THAT DISCUSSION. I REALIZE THAT WON'T CHANGE THE IDO. BUT AS FAR AS THAT CENTRAL PLANNING AREA WE HAVE HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BENTON YES. YOU'RE DESCRIING THE COMMUNITY PLANNING AREA ASSESSMENT PROCESS IN WHICH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT DWOEZ GOES OUT AND TAKES THE TEMPERATURE ON WHAT THEY LIKE TO SEE MAINTAINED OR IMPROVED. IT IS THE EXPECTATION THAT IN SOME OF THE REPORTS THAT COMES BEFORE THE COUNCIL THERE WILL BE RECOMMENDATION FOR NEW SMALL MAPPED AREAS BASED ON COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU. >>COUN. PEÑA: MR. PRESIDENT, TO ADD TO THAT, AS THEY'VE GONE OUT, THEY HAVE HAD TO GO OUT SEVERAL TIMES BECAUSE SOME OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GARNER THE INFORMATION OR COMMENTS FROM COMMUNITIES SO AGAIN, THAT'S WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REVISIT IT AS A WHOLE. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. SEEING NO OTHER QUESTION OR DISCUSSION ON THE ITEM. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF FLOOR AMENDMENT 13 FOR SECTOR PLAN REVIEW WHEREAS CLAUSES SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. SIX. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? THREE. THAT PASSES. COUNCILOR PEÑA. HOUSING AFFORDABILITY. >>COUN. PEÑA: I WAS THINKING ABOUT NOT MOVING THIS AMENDMENT BECAUSE I KNOW WE DO HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE AT THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. THROUGH OUR DISCUSSION WE'VE BEEN HAVING THIS EVENING ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND PARTNERING WITH THE COUNTY I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO ADD THIS TO THE IDO SO IT CAN COMPLIMENT THAT WORK. WITH THAT, I MOVE FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER 14. >>COUN. DAVIS: MS. SHULZ. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, THIS AMENDMENT PROPOSES TO ADD TWO WHEREAS CLAUSES TO O-54. THE FIRST ONE RELATED TO THE ASERGZ IN THE BILL THAT THE CHANGES WILL CREATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THE SECOND STATEMENT ENCOURAGES THE CITY ADMINISTRATION TO PURSUE A MORE BROADER MORE ROBUST PLAN FOR ENCOURAGING AND INCENTIIZING BEYOND JUST LAND USE ENTITLEMENTS WHICH IS REALLY ALL THIS BILL CAN DO. >>COUN. DAVIS: QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? ANYTHING FROM THE ADMINISTRATION? COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, IT WILL TAKE UP ONE OF MY COMMENTS. THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE HAD PEOPLE REACH OUT TO SAY THERE WERE NO AFFORDABILITY PROVISIONS WITHIN THE BILL. I THINK THIS IS A GREAT WAY TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE KNOW THAT WE RECOGNIZE THAT. >>COUN. DAVIS: OKAY. COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: OKAY. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT ON THIS. WHAT TRIGGERED ME ON THIS WAS THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROCESS ABOUT HOW IMPACT AFFORDABILITY WHEN WE KNEW THAT WASN'T THE CASE. I DIDN'T LIKE THAT WAS FALLING ON THE BACKS OF PEOPLE WHO REALLY DO NEED FOCUSED PLAN ON AFFORDABILITY AND HOUSING. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: ALL THOSE IN FIVE OF FLOOR AMENDMENT 14 SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT'S A UNANIMOUS. 9-0 ON 14. COUNCILOR PEÑA, B17, LAST IN THE PACKET. >>COUN. PEÑA: I MOVE FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER 17. AND I'LL GO TO MS. SHULZ. >> MR. PRESIDENT -- >>COUN. DAVIS: ITEM 17 FLOOR AMENDMENT 15. IS THERE A SECOND? COUNCILOR BASSAN. THANKS. I'M SORRY. >> MR. PRESIDENT, THIS AMENDMENT IS SPECIFIC TO MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE IN WHICH MORE THAN 50% OF THE UNIT ARE AVAILABLE TO FOLKS MAKING 65% OR LESS OF AMI. FOR THOSE NARROWLY FOCUSED TYPES OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHAT THIS AMENDMENT SAYS IS THAT ONCE AN APPLICATION FOR ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS IS APPROVED IN A CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT, ANOTHER TYPE OF THAT PROJECT MEETING THOSE CAME INCOME RESTRICTIONS COULD NOT BE APPROVED IN THE SAME COUNCIL DISTRICT UNTIL THERE'S ONE APPROVED IN ALL OTHER CITY COUNCIL DISTRICTS. THE QUICKEST EXAMPLE IF THERE WAS ONE IN COUNCIL DISTRICT THREE, AN APPLICANT COULD NOT GET ANOTHER ONE IN COUNCIL DISTRICT THREE, THEY CAN GET ONE IN TWO, FOUR SIX, ANY OTHER. ONCE THERE'S ONE IN THREE AND ONCE THERE'S ONE WIN TWO THERE CANNOT BE ANOTHER ONE IN TWO AND A DEVELOPER WOULD NEED TO LOOK TO THE OTHER COUNCIL DISTRICTS TO DEVELOP THAT PROPERTY. >>COUN. DAVIS: AT THE RISK OF LEGAL -- SO, WE HAVE HEARD SOME INPUT FROM CITY LEGAL TODAY THAT GAVE US DIFFERENT WAYS TO INTERPRET THIS. SO, MS. KEEF, THERE'S DISAGREEMENT AMONG FOUR DIFFERENT ATTORNEYS IN THE CITY ON WHETHER THIS IS APPROPRIATE, LEGAL OR HOW IT'S BEST TO DO. I UNDERSTAND THE INTENT AND MAKES SENSE. I WANT TO BE SURE WE ADDRESS THE CONCERNS PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, I APPRECIATE THAT. CITY LEGAL'S INITIAL CONCERN RELATE TODAY THE FAIR HOUSING ACT. WHICH PROHIBITS DISZ CRIMEINATION AND THAT INCLUDES DISCRIMEATORY EFFECTS. THERE'S LAW ON PROHIBITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN STRUCK DOWN BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE EFFECT OF CREAING DISCRIMINATION AGAINST PROTECTED CLASSES. THIS IS NOT AN EXPRESSED PROHIBITION. HAVING DONE VERY LITTLE RESEARCH TODAY, I DON'T KNOW THAT WOULD APPLY. IT CERTAINLY WOULD BE A KERN. AND SO THIS COULD BE SUBJECT TO CHALLENGE ON THAT BASIS. ALTHOUGH, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT EFFECTS IT REALLY WOULD DEPEND ON HOW IT PLAYS OUT AND WHETHER IT HAS IMPACT ON PROTECTED CLASS OR NOT. CITY LEGAL'S SECONDARY CONCERN WOULD BE WHETHER THIS CREAING A TAKING. IF SOMEBODY IS PROPOING AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN DISTRICT SIX AND YOU SAY TO THEM YOU CAN'T DO IT IN DISTRICT SIX BECAUSE WE HAVE ONE IN DISTRICT SIX. THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING AT. I WOULD HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THAT. HOWEVER, IN THAT EXAMPLE, THAT LANDOWNER WOULD HAVE ALTERNATIVE USES FOR THAT PROPERTY. SO PROBABLY OTHER PROFITABLE USES IF THEY WERE DENIED TO DO THE ABILITY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT A POTENTIAL TAKING PLACE. >>COUN. DAVIS: I WANT TO BE SURE TO BRING THAT UP. COUNCILORS, OR THE ADMINISTRATION, QUESTIONS OR BACK TO THE SPONSOR? COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN AND I'LL GO BACK TO YOU. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. A COUPLE QUESTIONS. THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY ALLOCATION INTEREST THE NUMBER OF UNITS? MY QUESTION GETS DOWN IN DISTRICT SEVEN SOMEBODY IS ON THE BALL AND HAS APPLICATION PUT IN TOMORROW, THAT HAS FOUR UNITS, THAT'S ALL DISTRICT SEVEN CAN GET? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN YES. IT'S RELATE TODAY THE PERCENTAGE OF UNITS IN THAT PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT NOT NECESSARILY A NUMBER. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THERE WOULD BE AN INCENTIVE TO HOLD OFF UNTIL YOU GOT A LARGE DEVELOPMENT WHICH SEEMS COUNTEDER TO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. 45% -- 50% OR MORE OF THE UNITS INTENDED FOR PEOPLE LOWCOME. IT WOULD BE OKAY IF IT WAS 45% OF THE UNITS? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, ANYWHERE FROM 1 TO 49% BEING AFFORDABLE WOULD NOT TRIGGER THIS REQUIREMENT. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: IF I SAID THERE WERE 50% OF INCOME FOR LOWER BUT MADE IT AT 66% OF AMI THAT WOULD NOT TRIGGER THIS? >> CORRECT. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: ADMINISTRATION? >> MR. PRESIDENT, THIS IS AN INTERESTING PROPOSITION. IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE GOING FURTHER AS IT RELATES TO WHAT THE GOAL WAS WITH THIS ENTIRE POLICY. GIVEN THIS DISTRICT BY DISTRICT BASIS IS FUNDAMENTALLY UNFAIR TO THE CITY AS A WHOLE. I THINK THE CONCERNS THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY RAISED ARE REAL. I THINK THIS CREATES THIS WHOLE ISSUE THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EVEN EARIER WHICH IS LOOKING AT THE CITY AS A COMMUNITY AND NOT LOOKING AS COUNCIL DISTRICT BY COUNCIL DISTRICT. YOU KNOW, PERHAPS THERE'S A DIFFERENT WAY OF APPROACHING THIS. MAYBE WEST SIDE VERSUS EAST SIDE. MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE MALLEABLE. WE'RE DOING COUNCIL DISTRICT BY COUNCIL DISTRICT, THERE'S NINE COUNCIL DISTRICTS. ON A PRACTICAL BASIS, THE FIRST ONE IN WAITS HOW MANY YEARS BEFORE THE OTHERS GET ALL DONE? I THINK IT'S A BIT UNWORKABLE. I GET THE IDEA. MAYBE THERE'S A WAY TO STUDY THIS OVER THE COURSE OF TIME AND MAYBE IT WORKS THEM OUT. I HAVE A CONCERN WE COULD HAVE SOME LEGAL ISSUES AND SOME PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS TO IT. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILORS, OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO BACK TO THE SPONSOR? SPONSOR. TO CLOSE. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I ACTUALLY BROUGHT THIS AMENDMENT UP, I'M NOT GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. I BROUGHT IT UP BECAUSE I REALLY WANTED TO MAKE A POINT. DWEE HAVE SOMETHING IN THE IDO. WHEN I WAS HEARING ABOUT THE LEGALITIES AND WHAT COULD OR COULDN'T BE DONE WITHIN THE IDO NOW, THIS IS SOMETHING I VOTED AGAINST WHICH -- WE HAVE CURRENT LY FOR GROUP HOMES, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF GROUP HOMES SHALL NOT EXCEED 30 IN EACH CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT. WE CURRENTLY HAVE THAT IN THE IDO. WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LEGALITIES WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT THAT FOR NEXT YEAR TO DECIDE WHETHER -- WHEN THESE THINGS ARE OCCURRING, THEY'RE LIMITING BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY CAME OUT AND WERE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING GROUP HOMES JUST BEING BUILT THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CITY. WHEN THIS WAS IMPACTING THE ENTIRE CITY IT WAS AN ISSUE WE NEEDED TO ADDRESS IT. SO WE CREATED THIS WITHIN THE IDO. NOW, WHEN I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS, I'M JUST SAYING THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS GOING TO BE IMPORTANT, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR -- WE JUST PASSED AN AMENDMENT TO MAKE IT A PRIORITY, BUT WHAT TENDS TO HAPPEN WHEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE THESE PROJECTS, THIS IS, AS WE'VE BEEN PUTTING LOT OF MONEY INTO AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND I DON'T KNOW IF COUNCILOR DAVIS CAN RELATE TO THIS, BUT I HAVE ALREADY HEARD ABOUT FIVE POTENTIAL PROJECTS IN DISTRICT THREE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. YOU KNOW, IT TENDS, WHEN WE CREATE THE PROJECTS THEY TEND TO GO WHERE THE LAND IS CHEAPER AND LAND AVAILABLE AND SINCE THERE HASN'T BEEN INVESTMENT OR HISTORICAL INVESTMENT IN DISTRICT THREE WITH HOUSING OR RETAIL, WE HAVE PLENTIFUL WITH LAND, SO IT ENTICES PEOPLE TO SAY WE CAN GET THE LAND CHEAP AND WE CAN BUILD AS HIGH AS WE WANT AND PUT ALL THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND DISTRICT THREE HAS PLENTY OF ROOM. AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WHERE REALLY WANT US TO BE CONSCIOUS OF THAT BECAUSE WHEN WE CREATE AND START TRYING TO GHETTOIZING THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND SOMEBODY MENTIONED THIS EARIER ABOUT HOW WE THEN ARE CREAING SEGREGATION WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. AND HERE WE'RE TALKING -- WE SEE ALL THOSE STORIES ABOUT LARRY BARKER ABOUT ZONING AND HOW IT WAS AND WHAT THE THINGS WE DID. IN OUR ZONING WE'RE ACTUALLY CREAING SOME OF THOSE SAME CONDITIONS IN TODAY'S WORLD. I'LL END WITH THAT. I WITHDRAW MY AMENDMENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: SPONSOR WITH DRAW THE AMENDMENT. >> MR. PRESIDENT, TO BE FAIR TO COUNCILOR PEÑA AND HER PERSPECTIVE. SHE IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. I THINK THE BETTER APPROACH FOR US DOWN THE ROAD AS IT RELATES TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS LOOKING AT HOW WE INCENT FB HOUSING SO WE DON'T CREATE WHAT YOU DESCRIBED. WHERE WE HAVE A DEVELOPER BUILDING ON THE FRINGE OR LOOKING FOR CHEAPER LAND TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS OPPOSED TO INCENTIIZING BY PROVIING AN INCENTIVE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. WE ALL KNOW THAT'S WHAT THE PROCESS IS. WHEREVER IT MAKES SENSE. SO, THE ISSUE WITH THE GROUP HOMES, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT TO OUR ATTENTION. WE MOVE FORWARD TO THE NEXT AMENDMENT WE LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF WE'RE NOT CREAING WHAT YOU DESCRIBED. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. COUNCILORS, WE HAVE NO MORE AMENDMENTS. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE IT BACK TO THE SPONSORS AS AMENDED MULTIPLE TIMES. [ INAUDIBLE ]. >>COUN. BENTON: OKAY. JUST MOSTLY A THANK YOU TO EVERYONE. INCLUING MY COLLEAGUES FOR -- YOU KNOW THIS PROCESS IS NEVER EASY. IT HASN'T BEEN EASY. SINCE THE START. AND THIS HOUSING THAT -- I WILL SAY THAT THE REGULAR IDO ANNUAL UPDATE WAS FAIRLY PAINLESS WHICH IS GOOD NEWS. MAYBE THAT WILL BE GOOD NEWS FOR THE FUTURE. I APPRECIATE ALL THE DISCUSSION AND I KNOW PEOPLE'S BEST INTENTIONS WERE EVIDENT. ALSO WANT TOTHANK THE ADMINISTRATION FOR HAVING BROUGHT THIS FORWARD. THIS PROBLEM IS GOING TO BE ON SO MANY FRONTS FOR US TO REALLY GET ANYWHERE. THIS IS ONE OF THEM. I APPRECIATE THE ADMINISTRATION BRINGING IT FORWARD. MY CO-SPONSOR, COUNCILOR JONES, WE'VE DONE OUR LAST GO ROUND OF DEFENDING THE ID0 OR WHATEVER WE SEE OURSELVES AS DOING. I THINK THAT ANNUAL UPDATE GIVES ME HOPE THAT OUTSIDE OF REALLY CHALLENING PROBLEMS LIKE HOUSING, THE IDO IS WORKING. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANKS. BEFORE WE GO TO COUNCILOR JONES FOR CLOSE I WANT TO GIVE COUNCILOR BASSAN A CHANCE TO WEIGH IN. SHE HAD A COMMENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN AND DIRECTORVERELA WE HAVE A COUPLE COUNCILORS TO GO AROUND AND WE'LL COME BACK FOR FINAL CLOSE. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR THE ADMINISTRATION. REGARDING THIS BILL. FIRST OFF, I HAD CONSTITUENTS REACH OUT REGARDING ANIMAL CONTROL. I KNOW IT WAS IN THE PAPER. WITH AN ADDITIONAL CASITA OR DWELLING UNIT, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT ANIMAL CONTROL IF YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE SIX PETS, DO YOU GET TO HAVE 12 OR 18? YOU'RE LAUGHING, BUT IT'S SERIOUS. >> I'M LAUGHING BECAUSE IT'S THE NATURAL -- I'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. AND IT MAY BE A NEED FOR US TO BACK WITH MODIFICATION IF THAT IS IN FACT WHAT IS HAPPENING. >>COUN. BASSAN: OKAY. MR. RAEL, MR. PRESIDENT, HOW DO CASITA WORK IN CONNECTION WITH APD AND AFR. IF THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL DWELLING UNIT DOES THAT INCREASE OR DECREASE OR HOW DOES THAT AFFECT PUBLIC SAFETY WHEN IT COMES TO THE POTENTIAL FOR NEED IN REGARD TO EMERGENCY SITUATIONS? >> MR. PRESIDENT, AND COUNCILOR BASSAN, I THINK THE TRADEOFF MAY BE IF THAT CASITA WAS NOT AVAILABLE ON THE SITE IT WOULD BE ON THE FRINGE OR OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY WHERE WE HAVE TO MORE FIRE STATIONS SPREAD OUT TO COVER MORE FOLKS THAT LIVE IN AN URBAN SETTING BY CREAING THE DENSITIES WE ARE UTILIZING OUR PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENT IN A MORE EFFICIENT WAY AND THE ALREADY BUILT SUBSTATIONS FOR FIRE AND POLICE ARE GOING TO BE RESPONDING TO MORE DENIFIED COMMUNITY. SO, IT SHOULD BE BETTER SITUATION FOR OUR RESPONSES AND FOR SERING MORE OF THE COMMUNITY. THE INHABITANTS OF THE COMMUNITY. >>COUN. BASSAN: LAST ONE IS FOR PLANNING. I SEE MR. VARELA ON ZOOM. SO, WHAT WOULD BE -- IF THIS PASSES WITH THE CASITA AND ADDITIONAL DWELLING UNIT AND PERMITTING PROCESS FOR ALL OF IT, WHAT IS THAT GOING TO LOOK LIKE FOR THE PUBLIC? WHAT'S THAT GOING TO LOOK LIKE FOR THE PERMITS PENDING? WHAT IS THE TIMELINE FOR LONG PERMITS ARE TAKING IN ORDER TO GET THROUGH? WILL THESE PERMITS IF THIS PASSES BE BUMPED TO THE FRONT OFFENSE LINE SO THINGS WAITING 18 MONTHS OR LONGER BE BUMPED TO THE BACK? WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR THAT? >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR BASSAN, I APPRECIATE THAT QUESTION. I DO WANT TO ELABORATE FOR MOMENT ON THE EARIER QUESTION REGARDING SAFETY. WE DO BELIEVE THAT THE MODEST INCREASE IN DENSITY IS GOING TO INCREASE EYES ON THE STREETZS. EYES ON THE PROPERTY. FOR SEVERAL YEARS COUNCIL HAS REPEATEDLY TAUGHT ME IN REDUCES CRIME. SO, I THINK THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE MAIN HOUSEHOLD OF WHERE THERE'S A CASITA IS ON VACATION AND THEY DO HAVE A MOTHER >>-- GOING TO DEVELOP PLANS FOR CASITA. FOR EXAMPLE IF YOU SAY I WOULD LIKE TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT IS PRCHG APPROXIMATELY 50 SQUARE FEET WHICH WOULD BE EFFICIENCY STYLE, THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HAND THEM PRE-APPROVED PLANS SO THEY CAN GO THROUGH AND USE MINOR MODIFICATIONS. MAYBE MAKE THE BATHROOM LITTLE BIT BIGGER AND THE LIVING AREA SMALLER OR MOVE MY DOOR FROM THE EAST SIDE TO THE WEST SIDE. WITH THOSE MINOR MODIFICATIONS WE CAN EXPEDITE THE APPROVAL. THAT'S THE PLAN AS MS. O'MALLEY WAS SAYING. WE KNOW THERE ARE OTHER AREAS OF ASSISTANCE THAT WE CAN COME INTO PLAY TO MAKE THIS FRUITFUL. WHAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO IS TEMPLATES THAT PEOPLE CAN USE CASITAS. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, DIRECTOR, I HEAR THAT. I RESPECT YOUR OPINION. BUT I HEAR IS RUBBER STAMP. AND THEN I'M CURIOUS, ALSO, WHAT IS THE CURRENT TIMELINE ON AVERAGE THAT IS CURRENTLY WITHOUT THIS HOUSING FORWARD BILL, HOW LONG IS IT TAKING TO GET PERMITS APPROVED FOR CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN, I WOULD NEED A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE. IF YOU'RE TALKING COMMERCIAL THAT WOULD BE VERY DIFFERENT THAN INTERIOR BATHROOM REMODEL. WE DID AND YOU WILL SEE IN THE PERFORMANCE MEASURES COMING IN THE UPCOMING BUDGET YEAR, WE BIND OUR MEASURES TO INCLUDE REAL DATA, AND I BELIEVE I'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH YOU OR ANOTHER COUNCILOR, BUT PRIOR ADMINISTRATION WAS SAYING THAT THE AVERAGE TURNAROUND TIME FOR A RESIDENTIAL TOOK A MATTER OF SEVEN TO TEN DAYS. WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT BASED ON THE NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS WE'RE GETTING AND WHAT WE DISCOVERED WAS THAT THE REASSIGNMENT TIME WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE EQUATION. AND SO, WE UPPED THAT NOW. I BELIEVE IT'S MORE IN THE RANGE OF 27 DAYS BECAUSE IT'S AN HONEST MEASURE WITH TRANSPARENT DATA. WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO IMPROVE ON THOSE. WE HAVE A PROGRAM WHERE IF SOMEBODY CALLS ME AND SAYS HERE'S THE PERMIT NUMBER AND THE ADDRESS. WE CAN ACTUALLY PRINT OUT AND SHOW THE DATES OF THINGS BEING APPLIED FOR AND THE DATE THE RE REVIEW S TOOK PLACE AND THE DATES OF COMMENTS REQUESTING CORRECTIONS WENT BACK TO THE ARCHITECT OR APPLICANT AND THE NUMBER OF DAYS IT SAT WAITING FOR THOSE CORRECTIONS TO COME BACK. THE REVIEWS ARE MOVED TO THE TOP OF THE LIST. SO AS THE HAPPEN MUCH QUICKER AND ALSO MADE A PRACTICE NOW OF ASSIGNING THEM TO THE ORIGINAL REVIEWER SO WE ELIMINATE THOSE SURPRISES FROM THE SECOND VIEWER SAYS THIS PERSON DIDN'T CATCH SOMETHING. AS ALWAYS, GIVE ME A PARTICULAR ADDRESS OR PARTICULAR PERMIT NUMBER AND I WILL TELL YOU THE PARTICULAR STORY. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU, DIRECTOR. I THINK 27 DAYS SOUNDS FABULOUS. THE CONTRACTORS I'VE BEEN HEARING FROM AND OTHER DEVELOPERS AND CONSTRUCTION CREWS AND EVERYBODY IS 18 MONTHS. I MEAN, I GET YOU'RE HIING AND WE'RE HIRING AND WORKING ON IT. BUT I'M CURIOUS TO SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE EMAIL ME TONIGHT BASED OFF OF HEARING IT'S 27 DAYS. I BET YOU I BILL BE GETTING CASE NUMBERS OR PERMIT NUMBERS OR APPLICATION NUMBERS. MY LAST QUESTION WITH THAT AND JUST A COUPLE COMMENTSES. IN REGARD TO THE HOUSING FORWARD AND THESE PERMITS, ARE THEY PRIORITIZED AND BUMPED TO THE FRONT OF THE LINE OR WILL THEY BE PUT ON THE BACK BEHIND THE XURNT EXISTING AND PENDING APPLICATIONS? >> THEY WILL BE HANDLED IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY COME IN UNLESS PEOPLE FAST-TRACKED THEM. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR. MR. PRESIDENT, JUST A COUPLE COMMENTS. EARIER WE TALKED ABOUT TRANSIT. WE DID AMENDMENTS ON PARKING. I HAVE A SEVERE PROBLEM WITH MINIMIZING PARKING WHEN WE DECENT DON'T HAVE THE METRO TRANSIT THAT BIGGER CITIES DO. I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO -- THERE'S A COMMENT MADE EARIER TONIGHT REGARDING THE -- DEPENDING ON HOW WE VOTE IS WHO WE'RE TRYING TO APPEASE. I WANT TO SAY THAT I SPOKE TO MY CONSTITUENTS THAT ARE ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS. I HAVE -- I'M NOT GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, SUEDE MRNG SWAYED I WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR I'M HERE TO HELP AND DO MY BEST WITH MAKING SURE I REPRESENT THE MAJORITY OF THEM. I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO BE ACCUSED OF BEING THE VOICE OF ONLY ONE SIDE. WE'VE ALL HEARD ABOUT THE HOUSING CRISIS. AND IN CASE YOU HAVEN'T, WE'RE IN A HOUSING CRISIS. AND IT IS UNFORTUNATE. IT'S VERY, VERY UNFORTUNATE. BUT THAT SHOULDN'T MEAN FEE FORCE EVERYONE WHO IS NOT EXPERIENING THAT HOUSING CRISIS WITH THEIR HOMES AND THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY TO BE UNWILLING ACTIVE PARTICIPANT IN THIS CRISIS. AND WE NEED TO STOP PENALIZING PEOPLE THAT AREN'T DOING ANYTHING WRONG IN ORDER TO MAKE IT MORE FORTUNATE OR CREATE LAWS FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT AS PRIVILEGES AND NOT AS CAPABLE. WE'RE DOING IT BACKWARD WITH SO MANY THINGS. THIS IS ONE OF THEM. AND THEN, I HEARD THE TERM RECENTLY NATURALLY OCCURRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT TERM. I WENT TO THE OPENING OF A MULTI-FAMILY UNIT, DWELLING, DEVELOPMENT, IT'S LUXURIOUS. IT'S MARKET RATE. THERE'S NOTHING AFFORDABLE ABOUT IT. AND THE PEOPLE THAT I SEE THAT I IMAGINE ARE GOING TO BE LIVING IN OTHER APARTMENTS IN ALBUQUERQUE THAT ARE OLDER, THEY'RE NOT BAD. BUT THEY'RE OLDER. THEY MIGHT CHOOSE TO LEAVE THAT APARTMENT AND GO INTO A MARKET RATE LUXURY BRAND NEW APARTMENT WHICH OPENS UP THE OLDER ONE THAT NOW HAS A COMPARABLE. IT'S GOING TO DECREASE IN RENT THAT CAN BE CHARGED BECAUSE IT'S NOT AS LUXURY AVAILABLE. IT'S CREAING NATURALLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING. IN ADDITION TO THE FACT IT'S STILL CREAING MORE UNITS. AND I THINK THE LAST THING THAT I WANT TO SAY IS TO MR. RAEL, SORT OF, RESPECTFULLY, YOU DID SAY EARIER YOU WERE QUOTED YOU SAID TRUE TO OUR PROPOSAL. THERE IS NOTHING IN THIS PROPOSAL THAT MANDATES THAT ANY OF THESE UNITS BE RENTED AT AN AFFORDABLE RATE. THIS IS NOT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THIS IS TO INCREASE HOUSING, SURE. NOT FOR AFFORDABLE. THERE'S NOTHING DICTATED FOR THAT. AND IT'S ATTACKING THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ALREADY HAVE THEIR PROPERTIES HERE AND CHANING UP WHAT THEY HAVE HAD FOR 50 YEARS. I JUST THINK THAT IS VERY WRONG. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILORS, WE HAVE COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. THEN COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'RE WATCHING THE CLOCK. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: I JUST WANTED TO ASK A FEW QUESTIONS TONIGHT WE HEARD CONCERNS FROM TRIBAL CONCERNS THAT WERE NEW TO ME. FOLKS STARTED REACH OUTH TO ME A COUPLE DAYS AGO. IT WAS MY IMPRESSION AND I ASKED TO MEET WITH THEM THAT THE CONCERNS WERE ABOUT ONE SPECIFIC CASE THAT'S GOING FORWARD THAT I CAN'T KNOW ABOUT. I WANTED TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT. BECAUSE MS. SHULZ HAD THE MEETING. ARE THERE CONCERNS SPECIFIC TO THIS LEGISLATION WE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT. OR IS IT TRULY QUASI-JUDICIAL CASE WE HAVE NOT BEEN BRIEFED ON? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A MIX OF BOTH. THERE ARE TWO APPEALS AT DISTRICT COURT OF MATTERS THAT THIS BODY ALREADY SEEN AND DISPOSED OF. AND STAFF HAS HEARD PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THE PROPOSED INCREASE TO BUILDING HEIGHT THAT IS A PART OF THIS BILL. HOWEVER WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE ABOUT THE BUILDING HEIGHT BONUSES IS THE LAND USE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE LEVEL WHILED BUILDING HEIGHT WERE ADDED THERE'S A PROHIBITION ON HOETH HEIGHT ON OVERLAY ZONES AND HISTORIC ZONES ON THE WEST SIDE OF ALBUQUERQUE. PARTICULARLY AROUND THE PETROGLYPHS THERE'S BPO IN WHICH THOSE BUILDING HEIGHT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED AND THE UNDERLINED ZONING WHICH STRICTLY REGULATES IT TODAY WOULD CONTINUE TO BE IN PLACE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR THE ADMINISTRATION. WE HEARD EARIER TONIGHT THERE WAS TRIBAL CONSULTATION THAT HAPPENED. WE HEARD THAT FROM THE ADMINISTRATION. BUT WE HEARD FROM TRIBAL MEMBERS THAT DID NOT HAPPEN. THIS PROPOSAL HAS BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR TEN MONTHS. SO CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT SPECIFIC TRIBAL CONSULTATION WAS COMPLETED ON THE HOUSING FORWARD INITIATIVE? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, WITHOUT HAVING THE STAFF HERE FROM THE OFFICE OF EQUITY AND INCLUSION WHO WERE WORKING WITH HAND AND HAND -- I CAN'T GIVE YOU A DEFINITE ANSWER. I CAN FIND OUT AND GIVE YOU INFORMATION ON WHAT OCCURRED. I APOLOGIZE. THEY'RE HERE. >> I AM THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE OF EQUITY AND INCLUSION. MY UNDERSTANDING, MEETINGS WERE HELD WITH LAGUNA TRIBE. I DON'T HAVE THE DATES AND TIMES. I KNOW OUR OFFICE OF NATIVE-AMERICAN AFFAIRS WAS REACHED OUT TO SEVERAL TIMES AND WE WERE IN DISCUSSIONS THROUGHOUT THE LAST TWO WEEKS WITH NAVA AND OTHER PARTNE ABOUT HOW -- HOUSING FORWARD. AND BEST ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THEY HAD AND DEMYSTIFY SOME OF THE MISINFORMATION THAT HEY HAD. AND WE'RE CONTINUING THOSE DISCUSSIONS BECAUSE IT'S ONGOING. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT ANSWER. LET ME JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, TRIBAL CONSULTATION IS AN ACTUAL THING. WE HEARD A PRESENTATION ABOUT IT EARIER TODAY. WE HAVE BEEN PROMISING FOLKS WE'RE GOING TO START DOING THIS. AND TO HEAR FROM TRIBAL MEMBERS TONIGHT THAT THEY HAVE NOT HAD ANY TRIBAL CONSULTATION ON A BILL THAT HAS BEEN OUT IN THE PUBLIC FOR TEN MONTHS IS UNACCEPTABLE TO ME. AND IT SHOULD BE UNACCEPTABLE TO EVERYBODY. AND SO, I JUST WANT TO DO WHATEVER IT TAKES THAT PARTICULARLY IF IT'S AN ADMINISTRATION'S BILL THAT THE ADMINISTRATION DOES THAT OUTREACH. SO WE DON'T HAVE FOLKS COMING TO THIS COUNCIL AT THIS POINT SAYING WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS AND WE MAY HAVE CONCERNS BECAUSE NO ONE IS TALKING TO US. IT'S JUST UNACCEPTABLE. I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE ADMINISTRATION ON WHAT THEY CAN DO TO MAKE SURE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR, WE HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR. WE UNDERSTAND THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF THE WORK WE HAVE TO DO. KEEP IN MIND WE'VE DONE SOME WORK. WE NEED TO DO MORE. AND WE NEED TO CERTAINLY HAVE THE CONSULTATION PROCESS REFINED. WE HAVE DONE MUCH WORK WITH OTHER ISSUES THAT INVOLVED SOME OF THE TRIBAL ISSUES THAT ARE PREVALENT IF THE INNERCITY. 4H PARK AND OTHERS. WE DIDN'T DO AS GOOD WORK ON THIS. YOUR COMMENT IS WELL-TAKEN. WE'LL MOVE FORWARD AND GIVE YOU A PROPOSAL IN TERMS OF HOW WE WORK FORWARD ON THIS ISSUE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU. ALSO LIKE A LIST OF THE DATES AND TIMES OF THOSE MEETINGS AT SOME POINT. AND I WOULD LIKE TO LET FOLKS KNOW THAT WHEN THAT -- WHEN FOLKS STARTED TO REACH OUT TO MY OFFICE AND OTHER COUNCILORS HAD THE SAME EXPERIENCE, WE WERE WORD WAED IT WAS -- WORRIED IT WAS A QUASI-JUDICIAL THING AND CONNECTED YOU TO THE EXPERTS BUT THERE'S BEEN NO MOVE ON ANY COUNCILOR'S PART THAT I CAN IMAGINE TO NOT HAVE THIS INFORMATION PROVIDED TO YOU AND WE APOLOGIZE FOR THE LACK OF TRIBAL CONSULTATION THAT DID NOT HAPPEN THIS TIME. I'M REALLY UPSET ABOUT IT. I THINK IT'S JUST UNCONCHINABLE AND WE SHOULD ALWAYS DO BETTER AND I PROMISE THAT I WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE DO BETTER. >>COUN. DAVIS: THAT'S AN IMPORTANT CONVERSATION. I DO HAVE COUNCILOR GROUT AND THEN MAYBE THE SPONSORS TO CLOSE. WE'LL SEE HOW WE GO HERE. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I FEEL THE SAME WAY AS KFR. -- COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THOSE DATES. I FEEL THERE'S A PATTERN WHERE THEY DID NOT COMMUNICATE WITH THE TRIBAL LEADERS. JUST LIKE THEY DIDN'T COMMUNICATE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS. AND THAT'S NOT OKAY. WE IN THE NARO IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS ARE A SOURCE OF IMPORTANT INPUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND AS THEY BRIDGE THE GAP BETWEEN RESIDENTS AND THE GOVERNMENT BY PROVIING INFORMATION AND ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNIIES AND THERE WERE NONE. I HAVE ASKED MANY TIMES FROM THE ADMINISTRATION WHEN DID YOU HAVE AND WHO WAS INVOLVED. AND I'VE NEVER BEEN GIVEN AN ANSWER. I TEND TO BELIEVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS. WE NEED TO DO BETTER. THANK YOU. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I'D LIKE TO ASK SHANA. CAN WE DO AN AMENDMENT THAT SAYS FOR THE FUTURE IDO WE WILL HAVE TRIBAL CONSULTATION? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR PEÑA, I WOULD NEED A LITTLE BIT OF TIME WHICH FORMULATE WHICH SECTION THAT WOULD GO IN AND MECHANICALLY HOW THAT WOULD WORK. I DON'T THINK I CAN FORMULATE THAT RIGHT THIS VERY MOMENT. >>COUN. PEÑA: MR. PRESIDENT, BUT WE COULD AS WE'RE STARTING THE NEW IDO PROCESS? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR PEÑA YES. THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WILL BE STARTING THE 2023 ANNUAL UPDATE IN JUST A COUPLE MONTHS. THAT IS SOMETHING I'M HOPING THEY'RE NOTING TO CONSIDER FOR THEIR LIST OF CHANGES IN THE UPCOMING YEAR. >>COUN. DAVIS: SEEING NO OTHER DISCUSSION. WE'RE BACK THE ONLY SPONSOR WHO HASN'T CLOSED. COUNCILOR JONES. >>COUN. BENTON: URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF O-54 SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED? FOUR. I HAVE LIKE 30 SECONDS. ARE WE GOOD? THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. WE'LL SEE YOU IN AUGUST.