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meeting finally the reminder council does not allow comments about agenda items during public invite to be heard thank you mayor i believe we're having some technical issues with the call-in line would you like me to do roll call uh proceed with roll call mayor kaufman sure mayor pro tim here councilmember coombs president councilmember gardner here councilmember jorinsky here councilmember lawson here councilmember marcano president councilmember medina here councilmember mario present councilmember sundberg here and council members of onik here there's a quorum uh council uh last week issued a statement in support of the people of ukraine and i would like to do a moment of silence and prayer for an end to their suffering uh thank you please join me in the pledge of allegiance i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all executive session update we discuss negotiations personal matter matters legal advice during the executive session approval of the minutes for february 14 2022 motion mayor mayor patem a motion to approve the minutes from february 14th it's been moved by mayor pro-tem seconded by sunburst second by councilmember sunberg to approve the minutes of february 14 2022 discussion let's see no discussion call for the question on the approval of item number 16a the vote has been opened in escribe mayor kaufman how would you like to vote mayor votes high uh public invited to be heard or not sorry mayor we don't have councilmember lawson mario jorinsky or sunberg's yes the motion passes unanimously to approve the february 14th council minutes public invited be heard on non-agenda items may or we might have to come back to that item i know that they're working on the audio for that um adoption of the agenda motion council members of anik i'm sorry uh councilman of uh approved the adoption of the agenda moved by councilmember mcconnell second by second by council members wanted to adopt the agenda discussion i see no discussion question before us is the adoption of the agenda uh call for the question the question has been opened in escribe council mayor kaufman how would you like to vote mayor rotary councilmember marielle yes councilman broderinsky yes and councilmember sundberg yes the motion passes unanimously to adopt the agenda i'm sorry okay can they go ahead can we go ahead with the people that are in chamber yes we can we have one individual omen cross who's in the chambers to speak on public invited to be heard ladies and gentlemen of council citizens of aurora today's speech is entitled championing and cause so it's nice to see everybody again it's been a couple of weeks welcome to the second edition of monday night omen now i'm one i'm sure you're all wondering why i'm here this week i'm here because i was personally invited by the mayor to speak about something that's been going on since the last time we saw each other now we'll start with the basics i recently was enrolled in the veterans day work program through bayad a program that i hear tail a couple months ago they tried to shut down here a program i hear tail also is supposed to expire in june but a program that from my own short experience with it it's not fully implemented yet and therefore it's not ready nor is it time to evaluate this program for its effectiveness now you'd ask me why is it that something that's been in place this long still isn't working why is it that there's still fewer veterans in this program than there should be and i have a simple answer for you the network is bad in my experience the various city organizations that are dealing with aid right now they are not organized in any way shape or form you can go to a church to get food but the church won't know to refer you to bayad to get work aid or won't know you to refer you to this city organization to get housing aid and so for this purpose i've been working in conjunction with the mayor's office and we've been trying to get these organizations to start interconnecting trying to have short meet and greets between the organizations where they can put names and faces to the various types of aid that already exist through the city so that instead of stars of aid in the night sky we have silken threads and a spider web of aid that can catch these people when they fall no matter where it is in the city that they fall so this is a project that i've been pushing because it just seems like common sense to me and i'm not doing it because the mayor asked me to we just agreed that this is the thing that should be done in this city in order to make our aid program stronger and so i've been working on it i've personally been enrolled in the bayad program now for the majority of a week i've had my background check and my military history verified i've worked i've been paid and as of next week i will begin meeting with other housing and aid organizations in the city to determine what i qualify for but on site of that i've also been sk attempting to help schedule meetings between organizations to get them active in trying to make this network function because i feel like one of the arguments about these programs is cost and i feel like there is more money being wasted every year in aid that is being sent out and not being reached by anybody so the easiest way no matter what you believe to fix it is just to tear down the old network and build a better one and i've been speaking with people as far away from here as other countries and as far away on the other coast as los angeles asking them what kind of side programs they do to make this stuff all unify properly and i've been taking their advice and i'll present it as the mayor or as any council member wishes to speak with me about those in the meantime i'm just going to keep doing what i'm doing rising higher and higher because that's what i do and as far as this particular cause it's a cause of people and so it requires more than just somebody to stand up and talk it requires an actual champion and luckily for me i've been in the army a long time before this and i was a champion before i met anybody here so i'll stand for the people that can't stand for themselves because i know the city has some bylaws that prevent a lot of their employees from speaking their minds so i'll do what i do i ask for the support of every council member that actually believes we put these aid programs in place to help people not just to throw them away because we feel like they cost too much so thank you all for your time and i'll see you in a couple weeks mayor that was the only person in the chambers to speak mayor motion to approve items 10a through 10jbp the question has been open in escribe mayor how would you like to vote i'm sorry i think they're testing the audio in the chambers um council member medina and mario i need your votes yes yes the motion passes unanimously to approve the consent calendar and meru might be able to have the audio feed um fixed so we can see if the public call-in line will work now okay first up is judah go ahead you have three minutes hi there good evening council um my name is judith and i'm exercising my right to speak to you tonight about something that i think is really important but that is not on your agenda and that is traffic circles and roundabouts um i wish aurora utilized more traffic circles instead of traffic lights at our intersections and as you look at expanding and updating our city as a resident i'm asking you to pay close attention to which places would be served better with traffic circles roundabouts have many benefits to neighborhoods and cities but just a few examples are that they allow traffic to flow more effectively and reduce traffic jams and they could significantly decrease the amount of gas money that aurorans spend on waiting at stoplights which i know is something on everyone's mind right now thank you for allowing me time to speak directly to this body on an issue that is important to me thank you next up is ali go ahead you have three minutes um i apologize council i'm actually in the elevator right now down to the floor i'm a person who uses a wheelchair and it's the only access that i have before so it's appropriate that i'm getting on the call right now i'm sorry can you hear me okay um i i speak in public invited to be heard to call attention to the fact am i i'm sorry am i bouncing back and forth yeah yeah okay thank you you're trying to get in while i was stuck in the lobby um can you is this better can you hear me hello testing testing i think we can hear you uh i'm so sorry for the the confusion there um it's tough being stuck in that elevator um can you guys hear me now yes okay um i wanted to call attention to the fact that um the agenda for tonight's meeting was not posted to the public on the main part of the website um as of at least 10 p.m last night the last time that i checked your website also requires that if a person who needs accommodation for a disability or needs a translator needs to call in on friday before the meeting so the way that this is set up right now in order for someone to who has a disability and needs accommodation or needs a translator in order to participate in this meeting and give public comment they would have to be psychic and know what is on the agenda beforehand especially since there were items that were put on the agenda much later than normal um that means that everything that is being voted on tonight specifically resolutions which only have one period for public comment there are many people who have been unable to comment publicly on them um because the accommodation wasn't available because the notice was not posted beforehand and thus as part of my public comment i'm very much encouraging you to delay all of your resolution votes today until the public has the opportunity to comment on them because those are final votes and the public will never get the chance to properly give comment because there was not posted notice and because there was not certainly not posted notice soon enough for people with disabilities and who need translators to be able to request the accommodations the city provides and that's why public comments so far let me defer to the city clerk yes the agenda was and a digital packet was posted on thursday and it's on the council meetings part of the webpage and it has all of the agendas agenda packets and minutes for the past few years on it yeah if you went to where it said the latest packet it was still showing the three seven meeting okay not the 314 and that's for convenience and we apologize that that one wasn't updated but where you go to the actual agenda in gina packet on the council meeting webpage it's on there uh the time is mayor i'm sorry we do have one more individual we weren't done with the public public invited to be heard all right next is danny go ahead you have three minutes all right thank you last and best i promise you guys uh my name is danny i live at 4236 south bahama street my local green dragon dispentry just started doing deliveries which is amazing thank you city council i am calling in tonight because i would like to address council member at large jarinsky because of the suing the city for a free speech violation nonsense so you messed up in your first few weeks from the job and you still got a turn a lot of your constituents can relate to this when you start a new job you make mistakes it happens to the best of us when i was 15 i got a job working to register mcdonald's and my first month working at the golden arches my manager told me to put an out-of-order sign on the bathroom door i didn't know that there were branded official out-of-order signs in the supply closet so i stand wrote a sign that said this bathroom is out of my order and as soon as my manager saw it i was fired because mcdonald's takes their branding very seriously so they're a huge success now council member was my free speech violated in that moment no i was not put in jail for making that sign my employer chose to terminate my employment council member suing the city because you messed up when you're new on the job is some real entitled silliness take this as the learning opportunity it is instead of draining the city coffers for the expense of this mess at court you are an elected representative of the people don't put this on the backs of the taxpayers and don't steal from aurora's future confuse your hurt pride thank you council members is there further public invited to be heard no mayor seeing none the time is now 8 48. uh council will stand in recess until um until 6 55 for an announcement uh on the call online council is in recess members who would like to speak on a resolution or ordinance and have not already spoken to an operator that's star free before the item is called by the clerk for those watching on channel 8 call 855-695-3475 to be connected and then press star 3. council is taking a short break to allow for any additional speakers to sign up please do patient and stay on the line until the operator is able to take down your information [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Laughter] [Music] do [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] so what's the best way to do this is okay but they did finish oh no this is a first okay mr mayor your mind gets hot okay i'm going to go ahead and do them with clark please read the title item number 11a item 11 a mayor items 11a through g may be voted on as a single item council can request any of these items to be discussed and voted on separately if they wish okay please read the title item 11a through 11g item 11a is resolution 2022 point of order oh man for tim can we uh just vote on 11 a through 11 g is there any objection uh from voting uh uh on item number 11a through 11g in one motion uh councilmember mcconnell thank you sir i'd like to pull item 11d from the motion 11d okay so may i make a motion well motion is in order i'm here for tim motion to approve 11 b through c and e through g very well uh removed by mayor pro tem second and by gardner seconded by councilmember gardner um discussion uh seeing none call for the question and mayor pro tim you said item 11 a and then 11 c through 11 g um i said 11 a through c and then e through g oh okay okay i'm sorry i never let him be this bit that did you pull up b d okay that's correct very well uh discussion it was moved by manpower tim and seconded by councilmember gardner uh discussion uh seeing no no discussion uh call for the question on um items number 11 a uh through c and items e through g the question has been opened in escribe councilmember mario yes in council oh the motion passes unanimously to approve resolution a through c and e through g with clerk now please read the title time number 11d item 11d is resolution 20 2256 a resolution of the city council of the city of aurora colorado appointing directors to fill vacancies on the murphy creek metropolitan district number five board of directors brief presentation by staff good evening mayor council members this is jacob cox development assistance uh murphy creek number five metropolitan district was formed in 2005. this district is located at the northwest corner of harvest road in yale currently there are no residents within this district the murphy creek district five is requesting that city council appoint new board members to the board of directors which is currently vacant due to a clerical error oversight with the qualification documents for the directors not being extended by the deadline set forth as such the district is petitioning council to reconstitute the board appointing eligible electors to the board and again there are no residents within this district it came to my attention that the uh under section two of the five individuals who are asking to be appointed here are all related and that seems like nepotism to me is that normal is that allowed i can't speak to that but i believe and do we have an outside attorney on the call to maybe help answer this question i do believe that the folks that they have appointed the only eligible electors currently that's correct this is jennifer tanaka i'm counsel for the district and the only eligible electors and qualified people are those that are all related it is not unusual at the beginning stages of a district to have those who are related to be elected and appointed by the council another thing to note is that statute does require that we conduct a special election within six months of the city council's appointment and reconstitution of the board in order to ensure eligible electors within the district go through a formal election electing these people they have all served on the board in prior years and this would just be continuing their service as they have already been existing in the past further questions of staff yes mayor councilmember mcconnell thank you sir what kind of clerical error led to this occurring i just if they've served in the past and there are other folks who are capable of serving on this metro district board i'm just kind of shocked that we would end up in this situation um so what exactly happened sure thank you councilmember um thank you for that question it was simply a uh they're qualified by contract it expired and it was not uh duly extended there are no other eligible electors within the district so there are no other people who are able to serve on this board other than these five people none of these five are even married or have civil union partners so their partners or spouses also would not be they don't have anybody that else that could be eligible or it's only these five people a further question of the staff assuming uh motion mayor uh councilmember no actually councilmember comes i believe councilman um yeah so it was also brought to my attention by a community member that they thought the um inclusion area for the district might be already contained within another metro district within murphy creek and that there were some kind of discrepancies with the map that we received for this district uh thank you council member combs no the process right now the district is in the process of shifting some boundaries for the organization of the yale metropolitan districts that you considered at last month's meeting however there is one inclusion that's remaining that was put on pause because of the the vacation of the board members that property is also completely vacant the property that was previously in the district boundaries it has no resonance and is owned completely vacant is owned by the same developer so all of the same property owners are involved at shifting the boundaries around to meet development needs as they start to develop out i don't know what map was provided i apologize in packets but there is no overlap between uh the murphy creekmaster to metropolitan district number five and any other existing metropolitan districts right now further questions of staff mayor councilman mcconnell what would be the impact of leaving this vacant until the date of the special election seeing as there are no residents and no services currently being provided well the district would not be able to take on actions that it would need to take on to continue its needs for financing public infrastructure it also isn't able to call the election we have in order for the special election to be called by statute it's called by the board after reconstitution so if it's not reconstituted there's not a board to call that election and then the district ends up being in a position where it can't finance public infrastructure that's necessary for that development in which it's committed to provide further questions of staff i'm saying a non-emotion is in order mayor uh council member i just have a quick comment sir uh i asked the same question as councilmember marcano of seeing the same names on there and i did receive reassurance from mr jacob cox that that's not unusual i know those original developers within murphy creek have some unfulfilled promises kept which some of the neighbors are not so happy about like for example you turn into old tom morris road the main road going into murphy creek there's not a single street light for a quarter of a mile nobody wants to take responsibility for that so i'd like to call upon that family to maybe fulfill some of those promises but going forward i think i'm okay with this further discussion further discussion is it was there did i do a motion oh a motion is an order i'm sorry i'd like to make a motion to approve eleven moved by councilmember steinberg seconded by bergen seconded by mayor tim bergen uh to approve our number 11d uh discussion i see no further discussion quests before us is the approval of item number 11d call for the question the question has been opened in escribe and councilmember mario and medina no okay the item passes with six yes votes four no votes from council member medina marcano combs and mario will clear now please read the title to item number 11 h item 11h is resolution 20 2260 a resolution of the city council of the city of aurora colorado expressing the aurora city council support of an iga between the city of rural colorado acting by and through its utility enterprise the city and county of denver colorado springs utilities and the board of water works of pueblo a brief presentation by staff mayor council marshall brown general manager of aurora water this agreement is related to water conservation on the colorado river as pretty much everybody is aware the rivers under a great deal of stress were in the driest 22-year period in the history of the colorado river and last august the first shortage declaration ever was declared on the colorado river much of the water use off of the colorado river is associated with agriculture and there are opportunities in the agricultural space to create water conservation and efficiencies especially the further down you get in the river those efficiencies become more and more important so what's proposed here is a an agreement that aurora is proposing to participate in with denver water colorado springs utilities pueblo board of waterworks and a few other entities where we would contribute to an in-drip pilot program to demonstrate efficiencies possible in the agricultural space so our cost contribution here is relatively small seven thousand five hundred dollars uh to a total contract of sixty thousand again to try to demonstrate efficiencies that can be spread throughout the agricultural space in the colorado river basin right um questions to staff a motion mayor uh councilmember mcconnell thank you sir move to approve 11 h um a move by councilmember mcconnell uh seconded by uh second invite councilmember coombs to approve item number 11h discussion i just want to say how how important this is given colorado water law and uh um that it doesn't necessarily lend itself to efficiency and agriculture but i think this demonstration project will be extremely helpful in a state that is truly stressed in terms of its water resources further discussion let's see now the question before us is the adoption of item number 11 h call for the question the question has been opened in escribe council member mario yes and council members avonik i'm sorry i don't see your vote the motion passes unanimously to approve resolution 20 22 60. well clerk now please read the title to item number eleven hi item 11i is resolution 20 22 61. a resolution of the city council of the city of colorado approving the iga water lease agreement between the board of water works of pueblo colorado and the city of aurora colorado acting by through its utility enterprise a brief presentation by staff mayor council marshall brown general manager of rotor water again aurora gains water supplies from many different locations throughout the state and from many original ownerships uh back in 1997 we started leasing water from the pueblo board of water works about 5000 feet a year annually which acre feet a year sorry annually which is a significant volume of water and pueblo has the ability they have some excess supplies where they have the capability to lease that water to us we're proposing to continue in that leasing arrangement the original lease expires in 2023 so we're proposing to get a little bit ahead of that and renew the lease under new terms and conditions that do affect a slightly higher well they reflect a higher market value for the water but we're proposing to extend that lease um at the higher rate through 2043. uh questions to staff mayor mayor for tim uh hi marshall um so the rate did go up significantly right from 256 to 775 per acre foot and then then we're paying also for legal fees uh yes the rate did go up from 256.38 to 775.51 and that's the most significant cost impact there are some legal fees associated with with that agreement but the legal fees are fairly small the lease rate did go up significantly though and it does reflect market conditions for this type of water unfortunately aurora has leases of other types of water some of our lease rates actually exceed this price the price we typically use right now for south platte water that's of a lower water quality is about 550 dollars per acre foot so this is high this is water out of the homestake reservoir actually so very pristine high water quality does reflect a higher price than what we lease the south platte water for in most cases we do have one or two leases that exceed this that might beg another question of why we're leasing water from entities and to other entities and that has to do with the location of the water in the system and the quality of the water thank you further questions of staff are saying none emotion is in order mayor uh councilmember mcconnell thank you sir move to approve 11i removed by councilmember mcconnell second by mayor sun briggs secretary uh second by uh council member sunberg to approve item number 11 i um discussion seeing no further discussion the question before says the adoption of item number 11 i call for the question council member muriel yes the motion passes unanimously to approve resolution 20 22 61. correct now with the clerk now please read the title to item number 11j item 11j is resolution 2022-62 a resolution of the city council of the city of aurora colorado to modify the rules of order and procedure for the aurora colorado city council regarding council sponsors council members of annika thank you mayor so this rule would essentially require staff for any resolution or ordinance that they bring forward if requested by any individual member of council either at a study session or at a policy committee to get a council sponsor and as i described at our study session in a city manager form of government you think of a venn diagram on one end you have management related issues that are clearly the purview of city management on the other end you have policy related issues that are clearly the purview of of the elected representatives and in the middle you have a lot of gray area where their management and policy intersect and this rule isn't trying to in any way address those issues it is clearly it is simply trying to address the issues that are policy related matters that are sometimes being driven by staff and for it allows for one of us on council to request that that ordinance or resolution have a council sponsor in my limited time on council i've only seen this come up a couple of times where i would have asked staff to find a council sponsor so this is not something where we're in a normal course of an agenda where there's dozens of items and over the course of months there's been hundreds of items it's only come up a couple of times but i think it's important that we address it in motion mayor i motion to approve item 11j moved by councilmember joranski seconded by zavonik seconded by council members veronica to approve item number 11j discussion mayor um councilmember maria thank you um i am not supporting this for a couple of reasons one why make a rule um when there's only a couple of items that this would pertain to um is one note i think the other concerns that i have is that i think it's a little ironic that this new council has set up a ad hoc red red tape removing the red tape committee and here we are adding another barrier to advance policy issues from you know what what is i think our nonpartisan staff and forcing there to be a partisan council sponsor i think that is very concerning i do not support that in the least bit i think it's also concerning that a council member can take the work product the research the time that energy from a staff member who would theoretically come up with a policy or some sort of recommendation rather and then they can just put their name on it so they are essentially taking credit for someone else's work which is really concerning to me as well so for those reasons i think this is really not the right direction to go it's adding another step of bureaucracy um it's taking credit for someone else's work and it's not even really that relevant if only it would only apply to a few things thank you further discussion mayor uh council members veronica yeah so um to a couple of those points on the red tape this is not creating more barriers for business this is protecting taxpayers and by requiring a council sponsor for an issue that is clearly policy that isn't um trying to take credit that's trying to take responsibility um we shouldn't be advocating our responsibility as policy makers to staff and again there's sometimes where the the issues that are being brought forward like for instance the one of the um issues that i would have requested a council sponsor for is when staff brought forward a plan that would have raised property taxes i i think taxpayers would appreciate us slowing down the process in that case for further discussion mayor councilmember mario thanks yeah i mean i you've rephrased the comments that you shared at the last meeting but i maintained that you're adding another layer of bureaucracy and repackaging saying that we're just taking responsibility there are many times that our staff in fact we ask our staff to give us recommendations on how do we implement a particular policy specifically we have asked for input on on specific tax related policies we wouldn't be abdicating our responsibility but that's what our vote is for so like i said we'd be putting our name on somebody else's work product and adding another layer to a decision-making process that's unnecessary further discussion mayor councilmember mcconnell i'm i'm sorry councilman mcconnell then councilmember crumbs all right thank you sir um i also want to add that this also adds a level of subjectivity to our ability to discuss and pass policy as written and says that the chair of a committee may require any matter to be sponsored by a council member prior to the matter being placed on a committee agenda and that's entirely up to the chair of that committee's opinion and again i think that this is really just adding unnecessary bureaucracy uh to a process that i think actually works pretty damn well all things considered as is so i would not be i will not be supporting this further discussion uh councilman coombs yes thank you um so first i want to address the issue of there was a tax measure being brought forward by staff i do want to clarify that in that case we've had multiple council workshop discussions in prior years on that item and had asked for staff to bring it back in 2022 in an even year um and so where more voters would be voting because it wasn't just to change the taxes it was specifically to refer to the ballot for the voters to vote so i do want to make really clear that it's a policy issue yes but it is one that the voters do get to vote on and one that council has given policy direction on multiple times and so they were coming back to clarify that i don't think that's an overstep on the part of our staff in that scenario the other point that i want to make is this just really gives more opportunity for things to become unnecessarily partisan when our staff brings something forward i should hope and i certainly think that we can pretty much trust that they are coming forward with a policy idea for a policy and operations reason not a political reason and when you then add the council sponsor onto it then it becomes a partisan political issue instead of something that's simply about moving forward policy that's going to help our city so i don't support that um i think we have enough partisanship on this body as it is even though we call ourselves nonpartisan um and i i do think that it's not a good use of our time and i agree with my colleagues as well particularly councilmember murillo on taking credit for the work that our further discussion i'll say now and the question we force is the adoption of i'm number 11 jay call for the question the question has been opened in escribe councilmember medina and council member sunberg no there is a thai vote mayor kaufman would you vote sorry i'm sorry mayor votes yes yes the motion passes with five six yes votes five no votes from councilman medina councilmember mcconnell councilmember coombs council member mario and councilmember gartner the clerk now please read the title to admire 11k item 11k is resolution 20 2263 a resolution of the city council of the city of aurora colorado to amend the rules of order and procedure for the royal colorado city council regarding decorum during debate let me uh i think that this language is very consistent with decorum rules and the state house representatives as well as the u.s house of representatives in the state house of representatives the language reads when speaking or debating before the house a member shall confine his or her remarks to the question under discussion or debate avoiding personalities in the u.s house the rules of decorum are avoid characterizing another member's personal intent or motives and discussing personalities the language in this proposal is appropriate debate among council members shall be limited to the issue or issues before the council attacks of a personal nature by a council member against another member during a council meeting study session workshop or a policy committee meeting are inappropriate it shall be the role of the mayor or chairperson as applicable to stop and redirect the discussion as needed and i should have deferred to the mayor protect earlier and mayor my proposal mayor pro tem we do have public invited our public comment on this so we have omen cross in person don't worry we already talked once this one will be quick so i listened to the study sessions i enjoyed it it was a nice debate between both sides on stuff about this but these issues the decorum stuff it's a real fine line because we're talking about free speech here whether it's the free speech of the public to be heard here in a couple issues or the free speech of the people that have been elected to this board to speak on behalf of their constituency so i urge this council to be real careful about trying to mess with free speech because the first amendment's one of those things that if you mess with it the people out there are not going to be happy because that stands above me that stands above everybody here that's our first amendment and so i'd suggest uh caution i'm not saying don't do a thing i'm saying think before you do a thing because that's how you take your own voice away and i don't think you should do that if you actually want to have an effect thank you our second speaker is ally thank you so much all right is it working now uh good evening again council can you hear me now yes all right thank you um so i've read the the backup on this rule change um and i'm especially concerned because of the aforementioned subjectivity um if i'm reading the backup correctly my understanding is that there is a difference between when somebody says something is a lie and when somebody says something is an untruth and i do think that there's a level of really ridiculous semantics to that um and it's putting the power to determine those semantics and the power of one person and that's the mayor and i would remind you that even if you currently agree with the mayor's rulings on these issues on what counts as a personal attack this rule will not just apply to mayor mike kaufman this rule will apply to anybody who follows mayor mike kaufman and you might not want to give the power to determine on a case-by-case basis what is considered a personal attack to somebody who might disagree with you on that personally um council members should not be allowed they should be encouraged to note and correct when another council member says something that is provably false and that has happened multiple times i have watched on this council a member of this council specifically with the agenda above his head in big letters saying a number was one number and he repeatedly over and over again said no this number is higher than six this number is higher than six and the number above his head said the agenda did not say six and when that person was called out he just kept saying it over and over again that is a time when another member of council should be able to say that's untrue it is provably false the agenda does not say that um council should spend less time concerned about decorum that only impacts your own feelings once a week and spend more time concerned about what the real issues that impact everyone in our city um i don't believe that this item would actually change anything i think you all will still have the power to say what another person is lying you just might have to say the word untruth instead of the word lie and i think that's a waste of everybody's time to play these semantics games um i think you should really consider just dealing with it that you that people can call you out on your lies i think that's probably okay and we do have an individual on the calling line okay thank you arnie uh you have three minutes go ahead haircut members of city council i permanently believe that mayor coffman is the wrong person to sponsor this agenda item has gone into quorum during debate derek hoffman never made any effort to curb any inappropriate comments of then council member dave gruber during the two years they've served together nor has he ever made an effort to curb the insulting remarks things or members of his body on council have made to the public during council meetings and he retained his own decline during an open reading he seldom used mike even when asked to do so by others as he coughs sneezes wrestles papers noises walks around and even falls asleep on camera he's also been moved to staff one recent instance of that uh that stands out is when he asked the staff member if he were here to serve himself but to serve the people he is often cut off a council a member of council always a member of the democratic party who he does not agree with he's often used the excuse to cut off a member of the democratic party while they're attempting to show how another item tied to this item being discussed however he's never cut off a member of the republican party i believe this is an effort for the mayor to cut off discussion with anyone whom he does not agree this reminds me of when he was my congressman and he would only meet with one person at a time in his office for just a few minutes because he did not want anyone to witness disagreements with him it also reminds me of the time he held one of his rare town hall meetings in new york uh library and a lot of unhappy constituents came to speak to him about his opposition to the affordable care act on january 5017. and he snuck out the back door of the library you can read the story and see the photos in the january 14 2017 edition of the denver post he has not changed he doesn't like opposition he wants people to respect him as chair of the meeting however the mayor when he was a member of congress exhibited a total lack of respect for president obama and he joined a group of his then republican colleagues in congress as a birther he does not act in the manner he wants others to act i requested no vote on this resolution and that of gender item 11 l as proposed by councilmember mcconnell be accepted thank you that's all the public comment we have okay thank you discussion on this item mayor pro tem council member lawson so where i struggle a little bit with this is because i understand about the attacks on the personal nature but then sometimes people get offended by someone's tone so sometimes tone can be seen as even though it's not a direct attack but someone's tone or facial expressions could be part of this which i think has some problems for me because some people are passionate about different issues so in this particular situation if that's the case and someone who gets accused of that mayor kaufman um how do we approach that i think mayor go ahead remember tim i think just by going to the verbiage of this resolution uh where it's it doesn't speak to tone at all uh it speaks to personal attacks and it's consistent with standards of decorum at the state house representatives of the united states house of representatives and i think that's significant you can have a fairly aggressive debate without name calling by focusing on the issue now if certainly outside of policy committee meetings the quarterly workshops study sessions and regular meetings the city council this this obviously does not apply but i think the language is is very specific i do have an amendment on part of it but it's not the central part uh which is uh decorum other discussion mayor pro time go ahead thank you ma'am um so i'll just repeat what i said at study session i really feel like this is weaponizing decorum to keep from having colleagues point out this information as we heard the semantics that we're going to get into with this i'm just reading from the back up is going to make it so that i can still call out something that is untrue i just can't say the word lie so [Music] what are we really accomplishing with this i don't think it's going to change anything i maintain that the easiest way to avoid being called a liar is to not lie about things which is actually very easy to do and again i can't stress enough how would you feel about this if the gavel were in somebody else's hands this is subjective and it's not going to accomplish what i think the intent is so and i'm going to recognize myself um in that instance council member marcano i i think you can call out someone's lies i think it's the personal attack would be you are a liar versus you're not telling the truth or or that particular statement is a lie i i think that's the differentiation at least in my mind um and then mayor you had your hand well i just think that we have some of the lowest standards i mean having served in the state house of representatives having served in the u.s house nothing compares to this i mean this is just it's incredible the and let me tell you that that the productivity here is is by some of the members that are the most aggressive uh is not very good and so i think it would make this council a lot more collegial you could say i think your facts are wrong you have to say you're a liar you don't have to say you're doing this because of your donors right you can say because it's the person who are you to say what the person believes in and so that that's why this tradition has been in place so long in legislative bodies i just referenced two that i served in but i think it's pretty clear i think people can have great debates and be more civil about that and accomplish the same objective while accomplish i think better accomplish their objectives by by not relegating themselves to the lowest possible standards that exist and so that's the reason for this and i think that we need this further discussion mayor or mayor pro tem go ahead council member combs thank you and i'll go ahead and just register my concerns once again that this does nothing to actually increase the collegiality of the body as a whole folks still may and i'm sure will go to social media and to talk radio and we'll say very harmful disrespectful and false things to an even larger audience than the one that we have on this diet um and honestly much more rude and personally attacking things than get said on this diocese um and so i i applaud the idea that we should be more collegial but i don't think that this accomplishes that goal further discussion mayor pretend thank you council member thank you man uh i i did want to ask the mayor um what's claiming that one of your colleagues is unproductive become constitute a personal attack under your and i would like a responsibility yeah i mean i think that's a good question um i think if i called you out specifically as being unproductive uh i think it would violate it okay so i guess we have to get really good at being vague about things then again this isn't going to change anything but i'll do you further discussion may pretend yes go ahead thank you um i yeah i i share concerns about weaponizing and having a very subjective opinion about what a personal attack could be i think this is going to further thwart debate that we've had we've seen other moves to call for the question another procedural tactic that eliminates any dialogue amongst council members on very important issues and i think that's exactly how this is going to be applied in the future and it's it's disappointing that um that this conversation is even happening if we're talking about decorum i've seen a very apparent misuse of the gavel to be very rude towards an aggressive towards other council members cutting other council members off i think if we're talking about decorum we should really talk about how the meeting is run knowing the rules of the meeting to me that's respectful that's decorum and and respectfully um gaining the you know conversation between um and managing the conversation between different council members because i have not seen that happen over the last couple of years um and that's that's concerning so i'll be vague about to whom i'm referring to but um i share very sincere concerns that this is this is going to basically shut down any dialogue that the chair in this case the mayor interpreting what a personal attack is and isn't so i i don't support this at all in terms of motion i move uh let's see i'm sorry uh resolution uh 11k is there a second second uh and i the and i have an amendment you haven't okay go ahead okay um i moved to strike on the third whereas clause uh then it says um on the third line it says and the four core attributes expected to be demonstrated by every city elected official officer and employee integrity respect professionalism and customer service i mean i i think that those are really applicable you know customer service side that's constituent service for us but but that was taken directly out of the um the code of conduct for for personnel and i think it's i think it's unnecessary here because we really have it in e item number two in debate it really defines conduct so i move that amendment do we have a second on the amendment second okay we have a second by council member savonic discussion okay [Laughter] um so i actually i don't see where that would actually be captured under the current verbiage for debate so i'd actually prefer to leave that in the whereas mayor uh well call for the question um okay so a motion to call for the question on the amendment is there a second i'm sorry sir second on call for the question second okay uh there's been a first and a second on call to the question um so we need to vote on that on the call to the question the amendment i'm sorry pro tim i couldn't hear who did the second for that one savonik zavonik okay thank you mayor you yours was the motion for to call for the question correct correct okay okay the motion has been opened in escribe mayor kaufman how would you like to vote i may vote yes on the amendment mayor are we we're voting on you asked to call the question oh i'm sorry yeah the mayor voted on a call okay okay the motion passes with six yes votes and five no votes no from councilmember medina marcano combs lawson and mario thank you so now we are um voting on the amendment and council member lawson i just need your vote okay there is a thai mayor kaufman how would you like to vote yes the motion passes with six yes votes five no votes from council member martina marcano combs lawson and mario call for the question on the resolution okay so now we need a motion for the for the original mayor protemberg and i have mayor kaufman as moving and councilman jorinsky as seconding the approval of the resolution what excuse me i'm sorry i didn't guys amended right call for the question on the resolution as amended uh motion okay so we have emotion in a second yeah second second by uh council members savonik so now we're voting on the original resolution with the amended language you're voting on a call for the question it's a motion you did a motion to call on the question yeah did we need to do that i decided okay so your second was on the call for the question okay call for the question mm-hmm so great okay the vote has been opened in e-scribe to call for the question mayor how would you like to vote yes the motion passes with six yes votes five no votes from council member medina mercano coombs lawson and mario now please read the title to item number 11k i'm sorry item number 11 l so one more give me one you just called the question oh i'm sorry i thought we i thought we voted but the mayor asked and called for the question so now you need to vote on the resolution okay i thought we voted on the resolution no you got me really mixed up because you keep calm for the question okay we didn't call for the question now to the apologies everyone to the resolution as amended all right so we do we have we have a motion and do we have a second so that was okay i think he already did the motion uh mayor pro tem i have mayor kaufman at the beginning he made the motion to approve the resolution and then i had council member jorinsky and zavonik said second at the same time thank you it could be me okay okay the vote is now open in escribe to approve the resolution okay thank you as amended and mayor kaufman there is a thai vote mayor voces the motion passes with six yes votes and five no votes from council member medina marcano combes lawson and mario record now please reach out to odd number 11l item 11l is resolution 20 2264. a resolution of the city council of the city of aurora colorado to amend the rules of order and procedure for the aurora colorado city council regarding truthful and honest debate and we do have public invited to be heard on the call online all right randy you're randy you're first go ahead give three minutes thank you this is randy webb and aurora um so i wanted to say that i'm asking for you all to vote yes on 11l um just last month it was noted that in buddhism it goes i'm sorry in buddhism honesty goes beyond simply not telling lies other definitions in the dictionaries include it is not truthful to create a false or misleading impression and it is not honest to say something that misleads or deceives therefore sometimes being truthful and honest includes digging deeper so for example while an ordinance may not by itself find a violator it may rely on or be connected to another ordinance which may result in a fine so it's obvious that in order to not be misleading it needs to find it out that one ordinance may rely on another that would be truthful and honest explanation and i hope that that would be understood or included in um in this resolution and i think it's an important one especially in our day and age of lies thanks very much vote yes that is all the public comment mayor uh is there anybody else wishing to speak no um a motion is in order mayor councilmember mcconnell thank you sir move to approve 11l uh it's been moved by councilmember mcconnell seconded by second by councilmember coombs to approve item number 11 11 m discussion uh mayor i'm sorry lebano discussion yes mayor uh councilmember mcconnell thank you sir so this is i guess going to hopefully be a companion to 11k um and i do want to actually um you know restate some of what councilmember coombs said in her comments that 11k does not apply to what we do off of the dais and sadly neither does 11l um but i think that while we are up here it is our responsibility as lawmakers to deal in reality that leaves plenty of room for opinion disagreement and debate but we need to actually be dealing with data with verifiable evidence with things we know to be fact for example vinegar and baking soda we'll have a reaction we all did the high school you know or what is it elementary school anymore um science experiment with that and the earth is not flat so we need to deal with reality um that's what the intent of this addition to our council rules is and i look forward to a unanimous uh support of this motion thank you mayor uh county mayor for tim um when we took our oath to office i mean i think that was part of my oath was to you know to be to have integrity to tell the truth i think the only issue with this particular ordinance or resolution is that how would you tell you know who's telling the truth i think that gets really um kind of controversial and so are we going to have a fact checker um i would love that so that's my only issue i mean i think we should all tell the truth um it's just you know someone one person's truth may not be someone else's truth and i think we're going to end up in kind of some gray areas um mayor uh uh please proceed uh thank you sir um i i understand your concern but i think that there's a difference between a personal truth which is really more of an opinion and then reality again the earth is not flat there are people who believe very strongly that it is but that doesn't make it true that's not a personal that's not a personal truth that's just wrong and there are other examples you know again the science fair if you mix baking soda and vinegar you're going to get a reaction right those things are objectively true and verifiable i think that in this position we need to be dealing with data using evidence you know making evidence-based policy and not just leading from you know the gut when we actually have something that is verifiably true again there's still plenty of unknowns out there there's plenty of room for discussion and disagreement and debate but there are some things that we know that are true and those things we need to make sure that we're not weaseling around misleading people you know by omission or through intent however that may be that's the imp that's the intent of this rule yeah yeah oh man yeah when you speak of data that's also sometimes can be controversial as well or subjective you know depending upon what source that data comes from so i just think we get into having okay what source did you quote your statistics from or you know that data and then then we're we could be in the same situation of saying well that's not true my source says this your source says that um i i appreciate the intent of of your resolution i just i just think it gets into like i said gray areas let me just uh councilman mcconnell on the uh when we were debating campaign finance reform uh i asked you where you got this uh the disclosure provision uh that you use in your ordinance you said from the city of boulder and i and you were mistaken because i looked at the city of boulder and it wasn't there so how do you um define the difference between somebody making a mistake uh and and somebody uh intentionally misleading uh mayor oh please pursue that's actually an excellent example because i did see a ad on facebook that was for a boulder account uh candidate but they apparently made that disclosure on their own and you're right that wasn't in boulder's code and i admitted that as much when you corrected me and i stood corrected now there are there have been examples on council one that i'll give us when we were discussing um gosh early in the pandemic um trying to temporarily increase the cap on unrelated folks who could live together from four to six and one of our former colleagues went on social media and said that what we were trying to do is increase it so that six unrelated families could live in the same home and while when called out by me and by other members of council including members of his own party he refused to correct himself and continue to spread that falsehood so that is being intentionally dishonest and it's a clear lie um so that's what i would uh qualify you know what i would point out obviously like we should all have a chance to be corrected right uh because i i do believe in having discussions in good faith none of us are perfect we don't all have perfect information but when we are actually having a discussion in good faith we should be able to correct each other agree on a reality and move forward discussing ideas around that shared reality if that makes sense further discussion mayor councilmember zavonik yeah so i guess i'm i'm trying to understand because you talk about being rooted in reality and evidence data right so would that then prevent any of us up here from advocating for policies that are rooted in ideologies like let's say socialism that have hundreds of years of empirical data and evidence that suggests that they're abject failures and so applying those policies to challenges we face in our city we know wouldn't actually work would that actually not would that hinder somebody from advocating those types of things under this new role and yes or no would be fine that is not a yes or no question customers levonick and you know you are apt at um propagandizing statements and convoluting things but i would say that the specific policy proposals such as let's say social housing as an example something i want to actually see the city of aurora lead the united states in that is something that has been a demonstrable success in other parts of the world who have policies like that um one other thing that we can maybe discuss i think i actually saw one of our other colleagues making facebook comments or sorry twitter comments to this extent around um safe safe drug use sites we may not like that folks use drugs i certainly don't i would just assume you don't either but those kinds of facilities are demonstrably effective in treating those folks and getting them on the path to either stability or recovery to wean themselves off of that so i think that when we're talking about specific policy initiatives um we can get into you know the weeds and talk about what's real and what's not simply making a characterical statement about socialism or fascism or whatever the case may be although i would argue fascism is clearly terrible um that's very exceptionally um subjective mayor our council members of honor so i guess that's a no um and so the next question is when it comes to enforcement and implementation do you see the creation of some sort of a minister in truth position or some sort of citizen advisory committee on truth and honesty or is this a self-appointed position that you're going to continue to take um that's a very cute way to frame that um no i think that this is actually something for all of us to adhere to as rules as opposed to you know unlike the previous item that we looked at where the mayor is basically going to be the arbiter or really whoever holds the gavel so and so this mayor sorry oh please continue yeah so back to i think the point that the mayor pro 10 made which uh when it comes to data right you just said that there are policies like housing first policies that have proven to be successful i can show you plenty of studies that would show you that it's a failure so again where who gets to decide what is truthful and what is not that would be us i think during our discussions right if you can actually bring something to back your statement that's one thing i would also you know really caution what sources you might be using because i've seen some of those things studies i'm going to assume you're probably referring to the manhattan institute or that other group out of texas that was literally an op-ed for kind of going back to referencing a study referencing a data study on on obsolete methods and not what any of us would actually be advocating for today because we actually keep up with you know best practices and data determined solutions so yeah further discussion uh saying none uh i'm sorry is there further did we oh oh you moved it uh council member mcconnell moved it yes sir and uh seconded by uh mayor i just want to make a comment it just seems like we're going down a road of subjectivity here uh reminds me of my philosophy classes in college i don't know what to think of you know pontius pilate here and ask you what is truth but i think there's room for failure here and if those of us here are being deliberately deceptive will be found out so what is truth um councilman um yeah i mean i think it's very interesting that we feel we can not at all subjectively define a personal attack but we are not capable of defining truth without being too subjective i think we can have conflicting opinions we can present evidence and arguments for those conflicting opinions but to say that we can't figure out how to tell the truth is one of the most disconcerting things that i've heard i will certainly be supporting this and i would hope that we can in fact figure out how to make sure that we are telling the truth on the diets further discussion by saying none the question before says the adoption of item 12 i'm sorry item number 11l call for the question the vote is tied mayor kaufman how would you like to vote very much no the motion does not pass with six no votes five yes from medina marcano combs bergen and mario clark now please read the title to item number eleven m item eleven m is resolution twenty twenty two a resolution of the city council of the city of aurora mayor sorry i need to correct my vote okay you want to vote no correct okay we'll change that vote m is resolution 20 2265 a resolution of the city council of the city aurora colorado to amend the rules of order and procedure for the aurora colorado city council regarding public invited to be heard on non-agenda items and mayor there are callers to comment on this item very well um let's do the um public invited me her i'm sorry the individuals that would like to speak on this issue first all right arnie is first go ahead you have three minutes uh mayor kaufman and members of city council i requested to make no changes to public invites if you heard cipdh is the only opportunity if your constituents have to address all of you at one time and depriving anybody of their ability to do so is not in accordance with the phrase that this nation under god will have a new birth of freedom and a government of the people by the people for the people don't want to perish from the earth as spoken by president abraham lincoln we get into his address on november 19 1863 it is one of the best-known speeches in world history and perhaps one of the greatest most influential statements of any form of democracy as you've heard me mentioned before i've been testifying at aurora city council meetings for about 40 years during that time everyone who wanted to address the mayor and city council in pit bh has always been given the opportunity to deserve in his democracy i refuse to believe that any one of you would vote to change those years of precedent the vote not to be public invited to be heard unchanged would be an indication that you are using the public office your public office to serve your own interests and that those and not those of your constituents to say that you are changing the public invited to be heard testimony because denver limitless uh theirs or that you're doing so to ensure the staff doesn't stay late there'll be poor excuses for obstructing the democratic process that your constituents deserve have often thanked staff and also mayors and council members for that time after long meetings and without exception they have always said something along the lines i am here to serve the people of aurora i assume that you are all here to serve the people of aurora and ask that you therefore leave public invites be heard and changed thank you mayor i'm sorry we did have one person in the chambers to speak so we're going to allow her to speak before the rest of the column good evening again council um so i have emailed all of council specifically about this issue um and the first thing that i want to call attention to is the fact that in the past um it has been proven it's on record it was in the press that members of this council have filtered their emails and refused to take emails or comment that came directly to them from other sources and also in private sources it's also very possible for council directly to retaliate against people who are speaking uh to them there is a layer of protection that is given to speakers when they have spoken publicly and publicly to the entire body at once that you should i believe you have a responsibility to protect even if you don't agree with what people have to say they need to have a safe way to come to you and when someone comes to you privately a council member can for example threaten someone's employment they can intimidate someone directly they can do all sorts of things that make it very difficult to speak to your representatives and being able to do so publicly gives that gives you actual protection from that kind of retaliation you should preserve public invited to be heard for a myriad of reasons many of which i have already spoken to you about but that is one of the most important ones and councils should not have the ability to pick and choose who speaks to them under these rules you would effectively whether it's intentional or not have that power and you shouldn't give yourself that power um it also would allow for roughly 15 people to organize and shut out the rest of the city from speaking at one meeting um it's really important that people be able to speak outside of the agenda tonight during public inventory to be heard several people spoke outside of the agenda about things that were pretty mundane um and if you don't let them speak at public invite to be heard what other opportunity do they really have um where they know that you have to listen to them um i am very terrified that this is back on the vote even though it already was shut down last week it being back on the agenda so quickly with very little public uh notice means that the public have not even had the opportunity to comment on their own ability to comment i really hope that the council members that voted against this in study session or rather voted to move forward as it was that was really confusing but i really hope the council members stay the course vote no on this resolution and allow the public to continue to be heard even if it's inconvenient for you i think that's more important than your in your convenience okay mayor we'll go back to the column line alexander's next joy heads you have three minutes hi i'm from aurora and i'm terrified of public speaking but i think it's important that everyone have the chance to do it when it's important i hope you vote mail on the resolution thank you next is jenny go ahead you have three minutes hi hello thank you for listening to me council um public invited to be heard is i consider a vital part of aurora's local government i mean it gives an opportunity for for constituents to speak directly to you on topics important to them you know tonight we've heard a lot of passion from all of you about the topics that you're passionate about and i think it's important to to have your constituents be able to talk passionately or or just briefly to you and make sure that they are being heard um i was personally disappointed honestly when i saw this proposed change again um i'm really upset because i i actually i brag to people that aurora has this outlet right we're able to come and talk directly to you about things that are important to us you know people in general need to be encouraged to be included in their local government and having the ability to speak directly when they know that they're going to be listened to when they're listened to by people who have the power to actually enact change and do something i mean that's inspiring to someone who has not previously been um in local politics or to people that are intimidated by local politics um limiting who can speak will work against the positive that this program has you know it's i understand that you're you're not taking away completely but you are directly limiting it in a lot of ways that completely weaken the position um because those changes i mean it would make it harder for people to participate um it's a huge step backwards we should be making it easier not harder um and and you know our communities are made better when more are able to participate and have their voices heard um so i don't think you're consistent sorry silencing the people who who have elected you um it leads to badness and and history proves that so i was relieved when you voted it down last time and i encourage you to vote it down again thank you next is cassidy go ahead do you have three minutes well hello um i uh i feel that limiting the ability for constituents to speak directly to their elected officials the roads erodes trust in representatives representative democracy as a whole and through that i feel it just it will deeply weaken the uh the the participate in local politics and therefore the the legitimacy and representativeness of our local government as a whole and therefore i strongly encourage you all to vote against this measure thank you next is silvia go ahead you have three minutes hi i am speaking to encourage you to vote against this measure being able to speak to your representatives is so hugely important for feeling involved with your politics so feeling like you can get your friends your peers involved as well knowing that they can you can tell them hey i got to speak to my representative i got to speak to my council members you can too but we can all get involved and create a stronger community in a stronger political environment for everyone and limiting that in any way makes it more intimidating more unpleasant more uncomfortable for anyone to get involved and i strongly strongly ask that you vote against this measure today thank you thank you pat is next you have three minutes go ahead evening mayor and city council members my name is pat dunn i'm a resident of ward 3. this evening i'm asking council members to vote no on council members of zeronics of resolution i believe this resolution addresses a non-existing problem looking for a solution seldom is a city council member meeting extended because too many people address counsel if this resolution by council member zervanik is passed for one thing citizens will no longer be able to speak at the end of the meeting some people work more than one job and they aren't able to sign up to speak at around 6 30. so speaking at the end of the meeting gives them an opportunity to speak again very seldom do people speak at the very end of the meeting so i don't understand why you would be curtailing their participation limiting the number of people who may address counsel on non-agenda items i feel is very unnecessary it's arbitrary and frankly it is very undemocratic you would think the responsibility of all council members would be to encourage participation this repressive resolution does the exact opposite i respectfully ask you tonight to please vote no if a majority of the newly elected council feels that the meetings are too long i suggest they find a better solution than curtailing and or eliminating our chance to speak i want to thank you very much for your time next is danny go ahead you have three minutes yo good afternoon good evening council members um can y'all forget that you serve the people of aurora you should be begging how dare you try to silence your own constituents and council member bergen i'm your constituent and don't tell us that you'll get more done in meetings because we see these meetings on aurora tv it is on tape and it's like 10 public testimony and 90 grandstanding and arguing with each other on the diet the citizens doing their civic duty and asking for representation are not the problem here y'all just spent public dive time debating whether in fact a liar is in fact a person who tells lies and what is the major of truth so don't be limiting hard-working people who care about their city to call in and show up to this sad little tragedy of a council you should be making it as easy as possible for aurorans to speak from their governance thank you my name is danny and i live on bahama street in ward 6. bye next is jan you have three minutes go ahead so uh i'm addressing an issue of limiting public input specifically i do believe that this issue must be discussed within the broader framework of the general receptiveness of this council to public as well as fellow council member and expert input i have followed the decisions that have been made by this new council and believe it in several areas the public wishes have been brushed aside there has been some issue at each meeting where the decision was made and the attitude appeared to me to be we have our mind made up and don't confuse us with the fact this happened related to the changes to the violence prevention program related to circumventing the council for calling or firing the chief of police and city manager related to retention bonuses for police to the exclusion of other needs and other deserving people in our community most recently the camping ban was passed after public input was overwhelming in opposition with a great deal of research pointing to more effective ways of creating effective and lasting assistance for our own house neighbors in that instance clear and well-researched compassionate and logical amendments were presented and again summarily shrugged off without even the appearance of consideration of extreme concern to me as a statement by the mayor regarding not allowing matters to come before the boards and initiated by unelected bureaucrats unelected bureaucrats clearly is another word for experts and discounts input from staff members who are experts in their field left to disagree with the majority of the council limiting public input would seem to be continuing the dismissal of the public that this council is supposed to be serving i urge the public to be heard not be limited and would further urge the council to truly accept and consider seriously input from members of the community thank you all right next is joyce uh you have three minutes go ahead um council members my name is joyce and i am a resident of the lord i object to the council further limiting my opportunity to express concerns to the city elected representatives at any level should be eager to hear any and all comments from constituents if this course causes a meeting to run long that is too bad anything that inhibits interaction with elected representatives is not acceptable it's the job you campaigned for and accepted this is where autocracy begins first limit and then eliminate the people's voice second giving and receiving of gifts expecting something in return sound familiar please vote no on this resolution thank you next is randy go ahead you have three minutes to the gal i'm sorry i didn't catch her name who just spoke um very poignantly [Music] so i wanted to ask that you all vote no on this item 11 m public could be heard on non-agenda items it's the public's chance to speak not only to all the council members at once but the media and fellow aurorans that's something that is part of democracy but i do see our democracy being attacked for me usually the public to be heard actually brings up interesting points occasionally it's something you know odd to me but usually interesting points i would think council would be interested as well it's disingenuous to give council majority the control over how long speakers can go on not just over the three minutes that we already have as a cut off but how many people can speak [Music] if it is a shutting down of our free speech limiting this hard fought for public right to speak on non-agenda items before and after the major portion of the meeting could easily be interpreted as was just said and i agree that as the first actions of a controlling authoritarian government rather than a democracy i agree with ernie schultz and others at this time especially in america and the world i feel obligated to speak out for a government that is of buy-in for the people you must vote no otherwise this will continue to erode our freedoms thank you mary that was the last caller well um motion mayor motion to approve item 11. move by council member zavonik seconded by jorinsky seconded by councilmember zorensky to approve item number 11 m discussion mayor council members vonnegut so um look i want to thank everybody who just called in and expressed their opinion on on this item i just want everybody to be very clear that on any agenda-related item your ability to call in isn't going to change we could have been here for hours and hours listening to comment on this agenda item because it is in fact on the agenda i think it's important to note that we are we are city council we're not congress so when you email us when you email counsel aurora gov it goes to all of us and it goes to us it doesn't go to a staff member when you call us it comes to our cell phones in many cases in fact i had people who called on various issues and they're surprised when i answer my cell phone and that it's me we have town halls regularly where people can show up we have lots of avenues for citizens to come and talk to us and talk to us about issues whether they're on the agenda or not because again we are city council what this does is in addition to all the ways that already exist for you to communicate with us via email phone showing up to talk about an agenda related issue or at our town halls this gives an additional hour before every city council meeting to come and talk about whatever issue you want i want to note that tonight public invited to be heard 12 minutes since i've been on council we have never gone an hour but what this does is protect us in the future when there are organized groups and let me be clear this when whenever you go over an hour it's not because there's a bunch of citizens that just show up it's organized outside groups that are trying to get people here to uh push an agenda and and that's fine they have their the ability and the right to do that but when we get into those situations it is grossly disrespectful to the people's work to those who are here to either testify if we have a public commit a public hearing that evening on a maybe on a development issue that's up and they come and we're waiting until hours and wee hours of the night or into the morning to talk about an issue that's on the agenda that night so it it gives us some checks and balances to make sure that we don't get into that situation but it does not in any way prohibit the citizens of our community from bringing forward issues whether they're on the agenda or not it does give that hour before every council meeting for them to continue to do that mayor for the discussion uh councilman gardner thanks mayor um i would like to offer an amendment and hopefully council members of anik will accept it as a friendly amendment but in the the bolded section that's added in the resolution i would like to change that to read for this agenda item city council show a lot 30 minutes on a first come first serve basis unless extended by a majority of council members present and i want to talk a little bit about kind of the reasoning why you know one of the things that's frustrated me most on this job since i've been on council for almost three years now is when i find things that we do in aurora that nobody else does um when we're the outlier uh you know civil service commission there's some examples there there's lots of examples that i can think of and you know i think this is an example of that as well you know when this topic first came up about 18 months ago we had staff do some research and and just look into what other cities are doing both cities here in the metro area and some other similar size cities across the country in almost every case there was a time limit on public invited to be heard and you know i think that's it's really for the reasons councilmember zvonak talked about you know not everyone has frankly has the privilege to come down to city hall and communicate with their council members a lot of folks have to use the phone have to use email have to use social media you know i've exchanged emails with quite a few constituents via email about this very issue demonstrating that email is an effective tool to communicate with your elected officials and so you know i think by allotting 30 minutes for public invited to be heard we put a priority on ensuring that we have sufficient time for agenda items because i think it's important to point out this changes non-agenda public invited to be heard it has zero impact on the ability of our residents and frankly non-residents because we know that happens to comment on items on our agenda like tonight's camping ban we all know we had folks from denver commenting on our camping ban two weeks ago and i'm sure we will again tonight and that's not changing so if you don't live in aurora and you want a public comment on something on our agenda you will still have that right apparently but denver limits to 30 minutes boulder limits to 40 minutes thornton limits to an hour and then the couple of other cities that staff looked into austin texas 30 minutes long beach california 30 minutes i could go on and on you know i think it's it's shows staff and the public that we take the business that's in front of us seriously by maintaining the unlimited public comment for agenda items um and making this change to ensure that we're able to conduct business for the city so i hope council members of onik will accept that as a friendly amendment and with that that's all i had moved by councilmember gardner second second by council member zavonik the gardner motion and that's to 30 minutes uh before the meeting public invited to be heard uh discussion on the gardner amendment mayor um sorry councilmember mcconnell yes thank you sir and this applies to this amendment and the um the resolution um but even as it appears in our backup and that's that public invited to be heard is just as important as any item that we would discuss arbitrarily limiting this even though we sell them if uh seldom go over an hour um is a distance it we're disincentivizing our community from coming out to speak to us so i don't support limiting it to 30 minutes i don't support limiting it at all this is again a solution in search of a problem and i don't think that we're sending the right message to our residents if we're telling them you know this is now going to become first come first serve and maybe it'll get extended if council likes what you have to say further discussion mayor uh council councilmember um so i won't be supporting the 30 minutes or this resolution i mean or this resolution as well um you know when you kind of look up what is the responsibilities of a public servant you know one of the things that i like to i really adhere to is the promotion of dialogue consultation and engagement of the public that is so important and being a person who has actually established the civic engagement academy that would negate anything that i have actually done with any of those those classes and those courses that i've taught or brought forth so i definitely will not support this i appreciate city staff staying and i understand that you have families and things like that but sometimes there's just nature of jobs wherein i mean that's just the nature of the job and if you can't fulfill that and i appreciate the work that you do and you have to stay but there's sometimes there's there's positions or things and jobs that we have to deal with either that you'll either have to work with you know the city manager or your director but that's just the nature of the beast um and sometimes you either have to take that or not this is part of this this job and as you know public servants i mean to take away um you know i understand what councilmember gardner saying we can respond to emails and we get emails but sometimes people like to come up in front of us because they may be talking to a council member that they may not get they want to address everybody and this gives them the opportunity so i will be a no on this on the amendment and i also will be a no on the motion for this resolution to pass as well further discussion on the gardener amendment mayor councilmember medina yeah just to kind of reiterate what uh councilman lawson said you know somebody i don't speak as much as most everybody but on things that i'm kind of passionate about i will and this is one of those as i work in community all the time trying to get people's voices heard of the regular public you know i welcome the opportunity whether people agree or disagree with me to comment with me to come and have dialogue with true dialogue and i extend that all to council members as well because they're we're all part of a community regardless of what we where we sit on but i would offer that opportunity to engage with me at any opportunity you get and if i can do it through email through phone calls through meetings through town halls i would like to extend the opportunity to do more of these dialogues with community so that we build trust in community and that they can trust in us as those people that they hired us to do the job thank you further discussion on the gardener amendment mayor america jim um just clarification on your amendment for 30 minutes at the beginning of the meeting and you said unless um the majority of council requests a longer what do you i mean is that any time limit what would that mean that's already in the resolution so i'm not that would be a question for councilmember zvonak what his intention was yeah it was when we talked about it at the rules committee it was just limiting it to an hour but having that ability to extend if the majority of council wanted to go beyond that if if somebody wants to strike that out of there it would be open to that amendment but that was the conversation we had it rules and i just carried it forward i mean that part with the majority being able to extend it there's no time limit on that so then you know i would not be comfortable with that as as just open-ended if there's a time limit on that part um i don't know how since we have an amendment to the original resolution well i could change my mayor councilman gardner um for this for this item city council shall a lot 30 minutes on a first come first serve basis i did yes i would second that amendment so then it's a hard 30 minutes i understand that's correct okay very well further discussion on the gardner amendment mayor remember jim um yeah i'm having difficulty with the 30 minutes because um i do realize a lot of other municipalities do the 30 you mentioned denver and some of the um a lot of you actually mentioned quite a few municipalities i i think um our city being the third largest city in the state of colorado we do have long agendas and so um you know what happened in the past um was was really um a different time frame where we had really short i've heard from council members that that were here years ago where councilman meetings were literally one hour you know an hour and a half and often with our full agendas they can go on four five six seven hours um so i i think there needs to be a limit so that we can get to the business at hand again to reiterate that any agenda item is unlimited for for our constituents further discussion on the guard amendment mayor councilman combs um so and this will first be about council member gardner's amendment and then the item in general with respect to the amendment that means 10 people can comment um and so i don't think that it's at all a stretch to say that without any type of organizing whatsoever 10 people might show up to comment and perhaps even more than 10. and so having it be a situation where we can't even extend and it's limited to 30 minutes means that we may have people that come out to our meetings and not everyone who lives in our city lives close to city hall um you know most of the council members actually um who are here uh don't live close to city hall and that means that a lot of our constituents don't either so it's taking that time often during rush hour to come down only to be shut down i think is absolutely a disincentive because they don't know how many other people are going to be there so it's a disincentive to participation and i think it's really disrespectful to people putting forth that time in that effort to tell them well tough luck if you show up and there happen to be quite a few people ready to speak additionally on council members of onyx point that only outside groups organizing but produce a large amount of public testimony members of our community in fact i think residents of ward 6 on next door organized so much testimony that we had to go into recess and come back the next day and that was on an agenda item but they organized that much testimony it's not only outside groups that can organize testimony um so i think that we need to respect when our constituents decide to organize themselves on issues about which they're passionate and sometimes that's in order to get those items on the agenda that happened with denver meadows those were all aurora residents that were worried about losing their homes around the pit bulls issue those were residents who wanted to be able to have pets that they loved and cared about and by using public invited to be heard they were able to get their items eventually on agendas get their items addressed and so if we're not doing what people want us to do and need us to do on the agenda then they absolutely should have the ability to organize to push us to get those things on the agenda through using public invited to be heard mayor for tim yeah and the instance where the ward 6 residents basically organized on the 600 unrelated people to a home that was on an agenda item the pit bull was on an agenda item the denver meadows was on an agenda item um at one point um some sometimes it was it was not but certainly they had the opportunity to speak when it was an agenda item so i think we're not trying to limit people that that have issues that come before us at all public hearings or anything like that um i was going to ask if there was any way for to amend it so that it's that you keep the extended by majority but only up to another 30 minutes i think that would be allow for the cases where we do have more people um attending and it gives us that option mayor councilman ricardo i'm fine with that but i'll defer to council members of anik as the original sponsor i'm fine with it too okay let me understand what the garden amendment is at this time mayor would you like me to restate it please do um just one moment for this agenda item city council shall allot 30 minutes on a first come first serve basis unless extended by a majority of council members present for an additional 30 minutes very well further discussion on the gardner amendment mayor councilmember coombs i just want to clarify to the point of the mayor pro tem both the pit bulls and denver meadows the folks came and testified repeatedly before it ever became an agenda item and that's what i'm talking about is that kind of organizing to make sure that your thing can become an agenda item because as you said they were on the agenda eventually and that is an example of the power of giving our community this tool further discussion on the gardner amendment uh saying none uh the question before us is the adoption of the the gardner amendment to item number 11 am call for the question the question has been opened in e-scribe councilmember jorinski thank you there is a thai vote mayor how would you like would you like to preserve us no to now where unless there are further amendments we are to the uh the savannah proposal item number 11am are there further amendments seeing no further amendments is there further discussion on odd number 11am see no further discussion call for the question on item number 11am i'm sorry mayor are you wanting to do a call for the question which is the motion to no not his emotion and there was no further discussion so let's go for the question okay so we have the motion by council members of onik and second by jurinsky to approve the resolution as is mayor there is a tie vote mayor rotary the motion passes with six votes five no votes from council member medina mercano coombs lawson and mario well clark now please read the title time number 12a item 12a is a public hearing in consideration for an ordinance of the city council of the city of aurora colorado resort rezoning a parcel of land measuring 4.5 acres more or less at 1671 north altura boulevard from medium density residential district to high density residential district and emitting the zoning map accordingly and mayor we do have one individual in the chambers to speak on this public hearing is now open um individual wishes to be heard mayor i believe staff has to go first for public hearings i'm sorry i believe staff has to present first for public hearings presentation my staff good evening mayor and council members before you tonight is a proposed zoning map amendment for 1671 altera boulevard the applicant columbia ventures is requesting approval to rezone the site from r2 medium density residential district to r4 high density residential district the 4.5 acre property is located at the southwest corner of 17th avenue and altura boulevard the current zoning map should be on the screen it is adjacent to the rmh manufactured home park district to the west and south in r2 medium density residential district to the north and east this is the proposed zoning map the zoning map amendment from r2 to r4 complies with the approval criteria and the unified development ordinance and is consistent with the comprehensive plan the planning commission unanimously recommended approval of the item on february 9 2022 and no public testimony was given at the hearing that concludes my presentation and the applicant is also available for questions presentation by the applicant mayor i'm sorry they do not have a presentation they're just here for questions um the public invite of the individual individual wishes to speak on this issue marvin martin good evening council and mr mayor i am i stand in opposition to a zoning change for the property from medium density to high density because the area is not well suited to such a change i've lived in the neighborhood since 1974 and washed as the area has undergone many changes over the years have trailer parks habitat for humanity there they built 38 homes in there some multi-family complexes but primarily it's a single family homes and some of those homes even have horse property one of my concerns is that the burden that such a development would put a foot on altura elementary school which is directly across the street from the property and it is already struggling to keep up with current educational standards some of the students have to cross altura they walk to school and home from school to access a footpath that leads from the trailer park to the school to get to or from the school now during drop off or pick up times altura is packed with cars which makes it difficult to drive past the school often leaving a major backup in both directions on altura between colfax and and mont view it's altura is already at its limit it's a narrow two-lane road that narrows even more on either side of the school the existing now the existing multi-family complexes in the neighborhood are not well maintained they have overflowing dumpsters broken down cars and are generally unsightly code enforcement is almost non-existent in our area i live in ward 2 [Music] so i'm not sure how they could possibly keep up with any added responsibilities over there i'm not opposed to infill as long as it is consistent with the current flavor of the neighborhood perhaps that nearly five acre lot would be better suited to enhancing and improving the area with single family homes with yards and driveways and not attached homes and parking spaces with a zoning designation of high density we already have high density the anschutz campus and all the new development that has come with it i'm sorry sir you're reaching your three minutes i'm sorry you're reaching your three minutes no i'm done are there further individuals who wish to speak no um are there questions uh uh to staff or to the applicant uh from members thank you um i was just wondering if um you all had had any conversations with um the aurora school board um related to any of this development it's been mentioned that it was just very near one of the schools i'm just curious yeah so altura elementary is right across from the school and so the site actually hasn't submitted a site plan yet so as part of the site plan review there's referrals to aurora public schools and they offer comments on the application and there's generally school fees that they have to pay as part of the development thank you and i have a follow-up please proceed thank you could you just talk a little bit about what if this were rezoned what is the potential for like the public improvements the infrastructure improvements on on the parcel near near or on the parcel sure so um as part of that um adjacent to the property there's currently no sidewalks there's also not any pedestrian crossings on either of the streets long or altura and so they would definitely have to add sidewalks on both sides of their development along eagle street as well as altera boulevard and then they would have to prepare traffic study that would look at things like pedestrian connectivity as well as vehicular traffic and potentially have to make improvements as part of that further questions i'm sorry further questions the staff for the applicant we're seeing none uh the public hearing is closed uh motion is in order council member mario so moved been moved by council member mario seconded by mayor second second by councilmember sunberg uh to approve item number 12a discussion thank you i just want to thank the the resident who came to speak on this um i know um it you know takes time out of your day and energy so i just want to thank you and i appreciate your comments and feedback um just knowing the the potential i i also live near this area and knowing the kind of you know i think it meets a lot of the criteria just on that objective level but kind of some additional points that i was considering in this decision-making process was actually a similar point of its proximity to the elementary school we're at a point where aurora public schools is seeing a decline in in elementary age school attendance and others but attendance in in the overall aps system and they're having conversations about closing our schools in in the ward 1 area which i don't support i think it's very disheartening there are entire communities that are built around that public infrastructure that public use and i i just i think that there's potential to with this project to potentially support um you know that potential elementary school there are no sidewalks in that area so i am interested you know when they go through that process to really work with the neighbors and the neighborhood to prioritize that infrastructure i think that's sorely needed and you know that part of aurora looks vastly different if you cross just the other side of sable or just the other side of colfax and personally i'd like to see that become you know up to par with um a lot of the amenities that some of the other residents have but it is true there's like a horse ranch just nearby which people don't believe that we have kind of rural areas you know we have suburban urban and rural in in that way but i digress i just think that the way i was kind of considering that i actually think this could be a really positive asset not only for the public infrastructure of course it you know met certain criteria but potentially some additional support for our public school system so i'm really hoping that's the case the school board if you all didn't know is actually i think voting tomorrow on potentially closing sable elementary or potentially altura or park lane or a combination of such which again i don't support but i will be sharing this information with them tomorrow hey you have potential for hundreds of multi-family units just you know down the line a few more years this is an fyi but thank you further discussion on node number 12a mayor sundberg uh councilmember sunberg just geographically can i get a clarification i believe this is near chambers and colfax which would be is that correct yeah it's about a quarter to a half mile west of chambers on the nearest major streets sable which the site's probably a quarter mile to the east of there so that would be ward 2 i believe is it yes okay so one thing i like about this project it's through a it's driven through an organization called crosspurpose.org where they really try to train the residents in professional career training through free tuition career training programs so i like the overall idea of it for ward 2. okay further discussion by seeing none the question before says the adoption of item number 12a call for the question the question has been open in escribe for voting the motion passes unanimously to approve ordinance 20 22 13. the time is now 8 47 council will stand and recess until a 502 to give staff the ability to do another announcement for the call online members of the public who would like to speak on an ordinance and have not already spoken to an operator press star three before the item is called by the clerk for those watching on channel 8 call 855-695-3475 to be connected and then press star 3. council is taking a short break to allow any additional speakers to sign up please be patient and stay on the line until the operator is able to take down your information thank you [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] do [Music] [Music] [Music] do [Music] [Music] [Music] [Laughter] [Music] [Laughter] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Laughter] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Laughter] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] foreign [Music] [Music] council's back in session will clerk please read the title to item number 14a item 14 a is ordinance 2022-14 an ordinance amending chapter 126 of the city code of the city of aurora colorado relating to payment for traffic signals a brief presentation by staff good evening mayor members of the council my name is carly campozzano and i'm the traffic manager at the city within the public works department and this item before you is a ordinance uh for an ordinance to amend chapter 126 of the city code of the city of aurora relating to the payment for traffic signals so this ordinance this exact ordinance was passed in 2015 and this item is really to codify it in chapter 126 instead of chapter 147. so this is for payment for future traffic signals so when a traffic signal isn't warranted on the first day of development the city collects money to install the signal to first at a future date when it is warranted and that concludes my presentation so i'm happy to answer any questions you have questions of staff go see none thank you very much uh motion motion is in order mayor uh councilmember mcconnell thank you sir move to approve 14a moved by councilmember mcconnell is second to by secondski saying my councilmember during street to approve on number 14a discussion seeing no discussion call for the question on item number 14a i'm sorry councilmember mario do i have your vote yes the motion passes unanimously to approve ordinance 20 22 14. well the quote now please read the title to item number 14b item 14b is ordinance 20 2215 in an ordinance of the city council of the city of colorado repealing obsolete license provisions in chapter 86. a brief presentation by staff thank you i'm trevor bond manager of licensing this ordinance is uh technical in nature eliminating three licensing provisions that are no longer we believe no longer needed in code two of them have lapsed in enforcement because they're managed in other ways and another one which is the christmas tree of junk license is also being managed in another way through fire operational permits questions of staff uh seeing none thank you for the presentation uh motion is in order mayor motion to approve item 14b move by councilwoman joriski seconded by birkin uh mayor for jim bergen to approve item number 14b uh discussion i'm seeing no discussion call for the question and item number 14b the item has been opened in escribe for voting okay the motion passes unanimously to approve ordinance 2022-15 well quote now please read the title to item number 15 a item 15a is ordinance 2022-11 an ordinance of the city council of the city of aurora colorado rezoning 10.532 acres of land more or less generally located north of jewel avenue and east of the plains conservation center within the city of aurora county of state of colorado from parks and open space district to accident potential zone district clean clear zone district sub area and admitting the zoning map accordingly representation by staff is our staff here good evening can you hear me uh yes okay my name is karen hancock and i'm a principal planner in the planning and development services department this rezone is requested by buckley for space force base for a parcel that they recently acquired to support their flying missions this rezone request complies with code and that concludes my presentation motion is in order may our motion to approve item 15a moved by councilmembers second by second second by councilmember conor to approve item number 15a a discussion let's say no disc further discussion uh call for the question on item number 15a the question has been open in escribe for voting councilmember thank you the motion passes unanimously to approve ordinance 2022-11. uh katie could you please read the title of 15b item 15b is ordinance 2022-12 an ordinance of the city council of the city of aurora colorado adopting a new section to be numbered 94-122 to the city code pertaining to prohibiting unauthorized camping on public or private property and adding article 4 section 114 106 through 114 112 to chapter 114 pertaining to abating unauthorized camps on public property okay discussion mayor uh thank you mayor tem this item number 15b unauthorized camping abatement ordinance uh requires 72 hours notice with a provision for an extension in the event of inclement weather prior to an abatement can occur it requires the city to offer an alternative shelter option for those in the specific encampment that is being debated and requested shelter option uh does not criminalize homelessness and i have some clarifying amendments on that that i'll be offering in a minute it applies both to private and public grounds but a point of clarification the abatement provision does not apply to private although camping is unauthorized on private property the abatement provision does not apply because the there are already tools in terms of the fact that it already makes unauthorized camping illegal defines what unauthorized camping is makes it illegal in public and private property it there are already mechanisms in place whereby a private property owner can can file a complaint in terms of trespass and um that it would be the responsibility of private property owner to clean up their property and under our current code enforcement rules and so that is not necessary and so uh i would renew my motion on item number 15 b and have two amendments if i could if i could go ahead mayor pro tim i'm sorry i don't know if we need to hear from the public first before we start oh yes we do sorry we do have a few individuals to speak is sandy garcia hello my name is sandy garcia thank you for your time this evening allowing the public comment i've been a resident with my family in woodwind crossing for 19 years almost 20 and i absolutely support a ban on camping i will just share with you a few stories i normally walk through the neighborhood no matter the weather and as i walk through the neighborhood i see more and more of people signs of people camping and for instance the mattresses pillows blankets cushions chairs on and on throughout tierra park on the east end along chambers and islip and on the uh around the on-ramps off-ramps of iliff mississippi 225. i had an instance of this year where when my children i have three teenagers they were forced to quarantine at home although they were perfectly healthy as i went to go see a client i had a woman with a shopping cart try to come into my garage saying she is home and she had a bracelet on with her name and i am a medical professional i dressed her by her name i talked with her she clearly was not leaving she also helped herself which is fine to some books from our book library she chose specific books again showing she was making decisions that she chose to make and i actually had to call the police to help escort her off my property i had a daughter work at dairy queen for two years and it came to the point where she was afraid to take out the trash which is right there at chambers and islip and because of the homeless situation and as i walked around yes there was a homeless man living behind the shopping complex as i further walk around that complex around the north west chambers and i live complex there's drug paraphernalia and alcohol bottles and as i walk the neighborhood and see homeless camps there's constantly alcohol bottles drug paraphernalia i've thrown out a crack pipe i've witnessed other devices used to smoke and then in addition to that in the private business there was actually a flat screen tv which i reported to the police plugged into that business as well as a little stove to cook it's concerning the fire hazard my daughter pointed out propane tank off islip and 225 in that camping um area as well as animals geese and in our neighborhood there's been foxes coyotes i've seen deer as well as this so the safety for the individuals um what it's doing also with the animals but the individuals i'm concerned we're all concerned in my family about the safety of the individuals it gets drastically cold at night we are absolutely concerned for the health of the people out there it is not safe we're concerned for their safety not just that it's an inconvenience and unsightly this is not safe for these individuals and it just has not seemed to get better um because we live in freeway we're reaching your three minutes um it seems to accumulate more along i-25 corridor also um so that is concerned where some aurora residents might not see that in their neighborhood but definitely in ours we do so thank you for your time rob good evening councilman council women and mayor kaufman haven't seen you in a long time i've met you and worked with you when i was doing stuff at the capitol years back i'm from ward 5. i can't do the same as she did i can give you all the examples in the world we've all heard them but let me premise what my community and my neighbors and my friends directly speak to this before you vote and i'll monitor my tome miss lawson because i have a tendency to be aggressive i've lived here since 2010 and i've spoke to you before and i was here to compliment you on some of the issues that i saw were helping the community i guarantee you i'm not here to pose any compliments to you tonight the fact this is even debated is ridiculous i want to speak with the thoughts my neighbors and i have on these issues that you have on your table tonight in addition we intend to record your votes so we can work to evaluate your contribution to our community if the votes are no we will evaluate that on the next election cycle i promise you you need to start to respect the overall needs of our communities if not maybe you should start updating your resume we all worked very hard and a lot of us put together a lot of support and financing to pit miss zarinski on this board and as a community we can work just as hard to eliminate and some of you from those seats and don't think we won't okay now let's talk the urban campers are not exercising their right to public space we all know that let's be honest already i love camping i have a nice camper as well i don't camp in the drainage ditch i don't camp off of the back road and i surely don't pitch a tent in the middle i-225 it isn't camping by any definition it's a nice politically correct term so everyone can deny the problem it's a feel-good joke we need treatment veterans in need of treatment are out there there's programs we can put them in touch with drug addicts are unable to continue their abuse because we're not cleaning up this mess the last mess they cleaned up a hazmat team caught over 30 needles they had to get out of the dirt over by the doubletree people that just are down on their luck that need a little boost and need a little help we can come up with a program for that this is an allowance by the feel good society society to push away the issues we have to stop enabling the problem we have to help treatment programs we don't utilize them because you don't want to get your hands dirty which brings me to my final point what has happened to our police department yeah they had to suck up on some issues we all know that you're reaching your three minutes as is but for pete's sake don't neuter them let them do their job you're responsible for what's going on with this lawlessness on the off ramps islif all over mississippi the back of the hospital area on 225. you're also responsible for cleaning it up omen cross oh we're finally almost done aren't we so we had a discussion about this a couple weeks ago everybody knows my position on it it's inhumane not because this man doesn't deserve to have a safe neighborhood not because this woman and her family don't deserve to have safety in the neighborhood they paid for but some of these policies they're written down one way and they're implemented another let me give you a little example this few days ago on the ninth uh the mayor took me to go work with the veterans day work program and get enrolled in the services so i went as i was on the way home i'm standing on the colfax train station waiting to get on the train in the blowing snow and i get a text message from my significant other who informs me that because it was scheduled for this day apparently according to the agency i spoke to there was a homeless camp directly behind me that was being abated in the middle of a snowstorm now i don't know where that falls into humanity but no one person's safety should be given at the threat of an entire person's possessions being thrown onto a flatbed and discarded in the middle of freezing conditions below zero but the people that are going to pay responsibility-wise are the people sitting on this council when somebody freezes to death because their camp was abated in a snowstorm so the inclement weather clause that's supposed to be in there needs to be the number one point because you may be trying to clean up neighborhoods of things that don't deserve to be there but you already have laws on the books to prevent drug crimes of illegal substances to prevent illegal acts in these neighborhoods the police are already armed and equipped to deal with actual crime so please don't extend that to then allow yourselves to be judged as inhumane against the people that live here because that's exactly what's going to happen if another story like somebody having their camp abated in the middle of sub-zero conditions in a snowstorm ever happens again thank you katie do we have more public invited we do have individuals on the call in line to speak okay thank you first is arnie you have three minutes go ahead mayor kaufman members of city council my name is arne schultz and i've lived in aurora since 1975. this is the most inhumane proposal i have ever seen i recently exchanged a few facebook messages with councilmember sundberg it began with a meme i sent several of you that read you have more in common with a homeless person than you do with a billionaire this is true of many people who who just need to have one thing happen to them that is not in their control he responded hi annie yesterday i met with a developer wanting to develop about 113 affordable housing units on entry farm land near el sharif fuel north of kobach the project is largely guided by some principles within the organization first purpose additionally i signed my endorsement to the approval of the weatherstone department section 8 rehabilitation program for about 111 of students i approved and voted for speed money to the euro mental health acute care campus a one one-stop shop for homeless services centrally located on 7.3 acres which will include 60 temporary housing units dental health care working mental health care etc i support and voted for speed money in the review recovery campers which includes vocational instruction and a former youth detention facility on foreign additionally we approved about five million dollars in arpa funds to support various nonprofit community efforts for the homeless so we're working behind the scene to provide additional assistance that regard i then asked councilmember thunder if he was really willing to go public with the work he is doing behind the scene i told him i realized it might not be uh political it might be politically difficult for him to do that he replied good morning i think in the next regular meeting i might highlight some of the positive things being done for supportive services housing i hope he does do that he added i should highlight a seal of those on social media i hope he also does that as well i also object to the ordinance taking place effective immediately without consideration the state senate introduced two private bipartisan bills last week related to affordable housing house bill 22 1282 will incentivize construction of thousands more modular and factory-built homes to help meet the severe lack of affordable homes in colorado senate bill 22 146 will increase financial support for housing units for people and families above 60 percent of ami excuse me arne your three minutes and give the city manager time to work on the thing here interview of cash that acted with and the three council member county amendment thank you next is karen go ahead you have three minutes hello my name is karen i am a relatively new homeowner to aurora and i would like to express my extreme displeasure and deep shame that my new city council is attempting to pass this measure which is inhumane immoral harebrained and will be ineffective it is not research it is not backed up by any data i have worked in non-profit services and specifically with the homeless population it is well documented whether you guys want to agree whether it's fact or not but it is well documented that these measures such as the camping ban do not help people to get off the street if you could have a modicum of empathy mayor kaufman when you are laying your head down on your warm pillow in your warm nice house tonight if you could imagine that you are not in a safe space that you are constantly afraid of being asked to move along or that you're going to be reported or that your campsite will be raised in the morning and then add to that think about you know you are struggling with mental health challenges and addiction challenges how easy would it then be for you to get employment and to get off the street not very easy these people are dealing with trauma and this measure is immoral because you are making the trauma worse you're saying that it's a public safety and a in humanitarian reasons that is laughable that is deplorable and i find this debate in decorous as long as we're going to talk about decorum i i just do not understand how any of you who would pros let alone vote for this camping ban can you know sleep well at night these are people down on their luck as someone already mentioned going through extreme trauma in a bad situation for which we have no help and no social safety net there is not enough shelter for everyone shelter is not a good option for everyone all right you know and plus there are already laws on the books this is nothing but a political football because for some reason some people on the city council think that it's the politically popular thing to do to be immoral and inhumane to our less fortunate neighbors it is shameful you should be ashamed if you support this camping ban thank you right next is uh brandy go ahead you have three minutes i'm calling because i have been doing work um amongst the home unhoused um in denver for just a little under a year i was previously unhoused uh living on the sidewalk in denver and that curve parked by french triangle area um i would say housing first is the best option and it actually works this urban camping ban that i was a victim of can continuously suffer um even in the programs after that and stems from that um is a joke obviously it's not working in denver what makes you think it's going to work in aurora aurora is already a world has more things that are actually severely uh more important like um systemic racism abuse from the police um all sorts of other things that are really serious now just because these um i i've lived in the world regret almost since 1988 1988 so i'm 42 years old um i've been a resident because i still live in aurora so i can tell you that me being a part of aurora is is very familiar and the animals here are like the hot on house in denver also aurora has a lot better options you won't even have shelters here okay let's put people on it you don't really have shelters yet comedians is one shelter and then it was once at a time it was meant for the youth the way were you i know i was one of them was a digital runway a water state ended up in comitus now comitas is a first cone whatever you gotta do a lot of a whole separate thing man i don't know there's there's nothing out there for these people if you go and start sweeping them okay like you big benjoy hello to you or whatever you start turning together right it's not going to help it's going to get worse everybody is coming from them they're coming into a world because of the squeaks there the police are traumatic all they all is everything is about um out of sight out of mind it thinks that it's okay to jail and um incarcerate our unhelped man any gay now all of us will be in house that includes you city council okay you can lose your house you can lose whatever programs you're on you can lose your apartment because they don't want to take your money hey that's a fact anybody could be in house but while we're criticizing them and penalizing them because all these the fragility of the rich or the the people have more privilege we're worried and send us a bad look look what these people have to go through i'm one of them randy you're one of the free minister jesse for five years of the street thank you sir that is all the public comment we have thank you katie um just mayor you wanted to i like our amendment have we moved the ordinance yet proposed ordinance we have not moved it yet i first moved item number 15b is there a second second okay we have a motion by the mayor and a second by council members of onyx i'd like to offer my amendment go ahead mayor so this amendment clarifies that no person shall receive a fine be imprisoned or appear in court for violating being in an unlawful unauthorized camp section 94 122 permits the city to order individuals in a lawful unlawful unauthorized camp to move from the unauthorized camp site to so the site can be cleaned so i moved to amend section 94-122 subparent 4 of the proposed unauthorized camping ordinance to include the following language quote no person shall be issued a summons and complaint for violating this section unquote with the approval of this amendment section 94-122 supper and 4 will read as follows quote any person convicted of violating this section shall not be subject to the general penalty provisions as provided in section 1-13 of the city code no person shall be issued a summons and complaint for violating this section unquote i move the amendment is there a second to the amendment without a second it would fail okay amendment fails um then discussion back to the original amendment i mean we're back to the original proposal ordinance then i'd ask for an eye vote mayor would you did you say you asked for a vote ask for an eye vote well no that's i'm not calling for the question so discussion council member mario uh thank you um maybe tim um this is not the first time we've had this conversation um we spent a lot of time in the last meeting i've expressed how i feel i want to use this time to bring up a conversation around an amendment i proposed and have since amended around the storage of personal property and i have shared that with our staff to be able to show on screen but happy to also just say the amendment i just think it'd be helpful to visualize it but essentially you'd be adding a section um let's see in section seven um would be section 114-111 of personal property the city manager shall develop a policy for the storage of personal property removed from an abated unauthorized camp the policy shall be presented to the city council for council's approval the policy shall address the types of personal property that shall be stored the length of the storage period for unattended personal property the length of storage of the storage period for the personal property of individuals receiving homeless services and the location and accessibility of the storage facility so this was my attempt to incorporate the feedback you know there it sounded like there was some support for storage at this time it didn't make sense to specifically prescribe the ways in which we would enforce something like this so i i was deferring to kind of our staff structure to come up with a process that can be in the future developed and reviewed by our city council for further approval so i wanted to propose i want to move to amend this ordinance with this language second okay so it um there's a second is there a discussion on the amendment mayor if i can ask a question of staff mayor pretend go ahead and then and then council members that is uh um or maybe mr joyce how do you in under this amendment how do you determine what is an item of value and and then an item that is not a value mayor with council murray council member rio's proposed amendment the city manager would develop a policy and we could put in that policy possible definitions of what might be some of value how you might determine something of value certainly something like an identification is valuable um what is storable it's something we have to work out and present to you for your approval okay if i if i could continue i'll go ahead and continue with the follow-up and that is that um i mean isn't this property abandoned so so you're basically i guess the same we're saying that they forgot something uh because because they're um or they can't carry it all or is that the issue currently i believe we do store on-site anything that we deem to be of value does that answer your question mayor yeah and how do you identify it to the individual if you have if you have a number of people living in an encampment um mayor councilmember maria would like to address that yeah thanks um so this is kind of the the difficulty and why i chose to draft the language as such with with the support of our city attorneys was because well one if we are prescribing like specific pieces in the ordinance in order for us to change that we have to do that via ordinance so if it's too prescriptive it doesn't give us the flexibility to ebb and flow to our needs you know adjust definitions etc so i didn't specifically go down that rabbit hole of because i had the same questions so i think it makes a lot of sense to defer to our staff who's going to work with our providers and all that good stuff exactly as they do now likely they will be a reflection of kind of what we do in practice now but i like the idea of formalizing a policy um to kind of address these kind of categories and i'm sure this this might not be the most exhaustive you know i don't know if this is all the things they'll consider but um i think these are the kind of the the areas that i heard folks wanting to address um pro and for um uh pro and con against rather the the ordinance so just to clarify mayor there's not that specific definition for that reason uh councilmember jorinsky thank you my first uh question is for jessica prosser you had said two weeks ago that as of right now important documents paperwork identification that is stored correct yeah so if the abatement contractor comes across something that looks like a vital document and will be set to the side when we're evading an encampment sometimes that's done by hand with hand tools sometimes it's for something very large a larger equipment but yes if there's something that appears to be a personal item tim mentioned you know an id medication something very specific like that a vital document it would be set to the side currently okay thank you and mayor proton can i go ahead so two weeks ago uh i was in support of this amendment i have since changed my opinion and it's because some some people have come forward um that are with some organizations that you know do offer services to aurora and they would like to stay protected and stay anonymous but um they mentioned that it's it's been a really really big problem if things like sleeping bags and some clothing stuff like that are are stored that it's it's problematic for an entire facility it has time and time again shown that bed bugs come in with those items lice has come in with those items an array of things have come in with those items and they they pointed these things out and so as long as what is already in place remains in place which i feel confident that it will that for medication identification personal documents that those things are are secured um and you know these people are able to get those those items back i i just don't think anything beyond that for health reasons we should be storing and so i i have to withdraw my support of the amendment mayor pro tem uh yes council member savonik so i i am um i could potentially be in favor of this concept as a companion resolution directing staff to come up with some sort of policy but i would not and will not support it as a substantive amendment to this ordinance i think it's still very vague and and there are some safeguards in place already as council members just mentioned so councilmember maria if you wanted to bring forward a companion resolution that sought to do something like this i would be more open to it but as far as an amendment to this ordinance i will be a no mayor putin yes councilmember mario yeah thanks um no i think the mayor was amenable to this being a substantive amendment he said that on record last time that he would even be open to this being subject to a third reading as a result of this substantive amendment so i i want to include it as is i think the re like again this i understand the like every scenario going through your head potentially as we have this conversation because that's exactly the um while i hit in trying to draft this and this felt like the most appropriate way to move forward to give our subject matter experts the ability to craft what that looks like i even wanted to like highlight the the hazmat procedures right like because i wanted to be very clear that we want to be safe we want to protect everyone's safety and like have a process to kind of determine what's valuable what's not what what we can keep how much we can keep but again we'd be talking in circles because that's just not possible on a city policy level at this time i just feel like it's more appropriate from an information implementation standpoint to leave the folks who are doing that work to develop that policy so i hear the you know kind of back and forth there but i think this is giving as much direction and ability to define what we mean by valuable and all those things as is mayor pro tem yes council member gardner yeah i um when we talked two weeks ago i said i supported this concept and i still do i don't like the idea of someone facing their camp being abated and the government taking their property and destroying it i think what council member murillo came up with is vague enough that it will allow us to address like the concerns council member drinsky brought up you know maybe we don't include sleeping bags because of the potential for bed bugs or whatever that looks like so i think this is vague enough that it allows us to address all of that it will allow staff to address all that but i think what it really does is it creates the policy direction and then it tells staff that they need to create the policy and come back and and bring it to council for our approval which is how our system should work and so um i i am still in favor of this and and i hope um there will be enough support to put this change in there because i think it's really important it's just like when somebody goes to jail we don't take their property and destroy it it's the same it's a similar concept and and i think it's really important that we protect people's belongings and um i actually want to um say something as well um and i do think it's important to be able to to um protect people's valuables i think you know defining what valuables are is is going to be um obviously staff um you know for your for your direction so my question is um to staff based on this amendment do you feel that you would be able to um have the resources to be able to store items and to define what what should be stored because obviously there is a sanitary concern there and and even even from a perspective of having enough space for storage i know the day resource center has some lockers i don't know if we can expand on that but could you address your ability to come up with a policy can you hear me okay so as far as coming up with a policy i think that that is something that we could do as in a definition i think things along the line of medication personal identification things of those those pieces make a lot of sense typically when a camp is being abated looking at things like sleeping bags tents fabric things of that nature tend to be soiled or um it's just not a storable item at that point in time as far as an actual storage facility i would personally based upon what i know about the adrc and the limited amount of storage they already have there and the quantity of abatements that this may ensue we would need some sort of storage facility and funds in order to make that happen i i don't foresee just a couple of lockers at the adrc allowing for sufficient storage for the items that we would come across in the abatements and then if if a camp is um abated their 72-hour notice but obviously the the intention behind the the camping ban is to offer alternative shelter so for um and i don't know if this goes to jessica but for the um for those that do accept alternative shelter in that situation would those shelters have the ability to store items yes so currently people can bring their personal items with them so that would remain with this with any shelter option that would be pursued in addition so right now people can bring personal items with them that's typically a backpack a couple of bags and that can fit in their sheltering option so probably not large tents and you know propane tanks and things like that it would just be what we would define as kind of personal items and our street outreach teams work with folks on what can come along with them thank you further discussion on the amendment mayor pretend uh yes councilmember marcano thank you man um i just want to state that i support this amendment um although i remain opposed to the overall policy and because it's going to generate a tremendous amount of harm i do support these attempts to do some harm mitigation so i'll be supporting the amendment but again my position on the original ordinance has not changed okay further discussion yes council member coombs actually sorry i'm not going to be able to comment right now okay we'll come back to you um other council members okay so um mayor do you um do you consider this a friendly amendment um uh yes i do okay so the mayor considers it a friendly amendment so would we i guess we would vote on well first of all is there further discussion sorry i'm cutting off the discussion mayor pro tem sorry i'm ready to go now go ahead sorry about that um so for me i think that it's really important that this be in ordinance not as a resolution um to make sure that as we're looking at this policy that we understand that along with this policy it is necessary for us to do this to protect people's personal belongings and so i support the amendment and i hope others will as well further discussion mayor yes go ahead councilmember i just still have a problem with this amendment i i think that city staff is already very committed to preserving you know personal documents identifications meta medications i think that you know without the proper wording of of what i understand that this is vague but they are already storing these items and i just think that if in any way this allows betting items of fabric which city staff also mentioned i think that this could very easily become an infectious control issue and i am very much against this amendment further discussion um i have a question on um if i don't know if you could bring it up on the screen again the the actual wording but if if staff is not able to come up with a policy does this negate the camping ban i believe the way the amendment is worded staff will continue to submit proposals for policies for your approval and eventually you'll either approve a policy or or not and if we if he if we cannot come to a resolution for a policy it may for it may stall the abatement process so i think that that brings up probably council members of onyx point that it needs to be a companion resolution because we probably should be voting on the camping ban ordinance and then do the companion resolution because if you come back and say it's completely impossible or you say it is possible and here are the um you know here are the the boundaries and the requirements then then we would vote on that as a separate resolution um at least that's so i i personally think it needs to be separate remember tim councilmember mario thank you um i mean sure we could talk about the ways like all of the possible scenarios that this wouldn't work out we've talked we've already outlined that we have a policy that we follow that could potentially be it i'm hoping that we have more robust discussion we don't have all the information that we have available to us at this time we are not the subject matter experts working with these service providers to think about processes to talk about what actual assets and space we have available if that is the the will of the council that's the thing is i'm certain that there is a policy to be had um it may not be everything i want it to be to be frank um but that's also why it wasn't very prescriptive in that we were soliciting that input from staff to see what is feasible um i don't think they're going to recommend something that they can't themselves you know fulfill so i again i'd still think that is appropriate in this ordinance it is vague intentionally to address these issues and then now we're talking about it being too vague and it's not going to work so i would just ask you all to consider kind of that um conundrum right like it's too much or too little right um and i i think it's enough direction to staff to to be able to address this okay further discussion mayor yeah um i'm fine with this i think what this does is that it memorializes in a way the status quo but it memorializes it to to the extent that it is um it is really is now a part of the ordinance uh yes it could be done in the form of a resolution but i'm i'm finally doing an ordinance and yes it is this obsta substantive uh amendment that would in fact delay the implementation by requiring an additional vote uh and i will renew my motion my clarifying motion uh on ensuring on clarifying language that this uh this ordinance does not criminalize uh homelessness and so i know there were members that were concerned about delaying this uh to another to another vote but i i do support this amendment and well delay it for another vote and next i'll renew my motion for the clarifying language but support the amendment okay so further discussion before we vote on this amended ordinance okay katie if we can go oh yes city manager yeah i i just want to be sure i understand are we being asked to bring back verbiage for the next council meeting or no it's to develop policy okay it's just direction right okay so this will be the actual verbiage in the ordinance and then we come back when we feel like we've got the policy to implement correct okay okay further discussion no okay well i do have a question for legal you need to be recognized by this oh i'm in trouble bring that devil down go ahead mayor okay uh that i mean normally i think that this would just give the discretion uh to staff to implement the policy but am i reading the does this amendment require staff to come back to council and into council to vote again on a policy or is this it gives discretion is my understanding correct presented to the council so we're actually voting again or no we're not we're counting so we're voting again okay the exact mechanism how you do this i am not sure um i don't know that if the city manager makes a a policy and how that's presented to you for your approval i don't know that might be just motion as opposed to a an ordinance or a resolution so this is the same language with our employee handbook that actually comes to council council reviews it so this is the same language used in the employee handbook that's in in this particular ordinance to clarify we would not be voting on a policy we're voting now on on on this being included as part of your um camping ban ordinance correct mayor so i i think there's a little bit of question here but i think as i understand it the the language is that it's consistent with other policies whereby we're giving direction to staff but the actual implementation language the rulemaking if you will is at the discretion of city management and so i think it's it may come back to uh city council for review but it sort of silences consent i don't think it requires a formal vote okay mayor pro tem yes councilman jorinsky i guess i would like to ask city staff or maybe the city manager what does the timeline of this look like to develop this policy i'm aware of what denver does and a few other jurisdictions it may be a quick turnaround to get some sort of policy whether it's approved by a majority of council i don't know but i it it might be a short turnaround to get something to you would you remember can i add to that please so i would say probably reasonably maybe six weeks i think we'd want to work with the service providers and folks that would be transporting folks to shelter as well and dependent upon the shelter option if that storage can be you know fully accommodated within the shelter option or if we would need to you know lease additional space so i would say by the time the ordinance would go into effect we would at least have a policy in place so that's about five to six weeks from now from the time of the or the last reading of the ordinance so another six weeks beyond the 30 days no no no i'm just saying from this point if we need to look at some options and talk with some service providers it's going to take us a few weeks to do that to come up with exactly what the policy is then we'd have to write the policy and get it approved through our normal kind of process for doing that so this would probably be a companion business policy memorandum um to what we currently have which we have that will implement this ordinance so we currently have one we'll tweak it to make sure that we're implementing the ordinance as written to you know now and then there will probably be a companion business policy memorandum specifically dealing with the um the kind of personal property piece so uh tonight could be a final vote on this if it's a if we accept the amendment we're looking at another vote at in two weeks at a council meeting and then we have 30 days from there to make it actual law and and you're saying that that policy is going to be imp or designed and then and then would have to be implemented by staff so my question to the attorney is is is we would not enforce the camping ban until all of that is done no what we have in place right now we have a policy that we're using to obey camps this ordinance will not be effective for 30 days after the last reading so it will be effective 30 days two weeks it's going to be published on a thursday after a monday so then it's about six weeks away before this ordinance becomes effective mayor okay council member yeah i i think jessica was trying to make sure share an alignment of timeline that they could be talking to service service providers in this roughly six five to six weeks it's there's two there would be another two weeks until the final reading and then that 30 plus that 30 days for it to be effective so that's you know essentially five to six weeks that they would have to develop something when this becomes effective so i hope that wasn't confusing they're just staff was just saying that they could come up with policies have the conversations within the time frame that this would be effective and mayor councilmember jorinski me go ahead so looking at service providers are we talking about taxpayer money are we talking about taxpayers dollars to rent space to store personal items so yes some i mean we would right now accommodate within the current shelter that we have and so um if there's a need to go beyond that dependent upon the volume that we can expect then we would put together an analysis of what that would cost so and if this if this ordinance passed without this amendment would it change anything that you guys are already doing as far as storing medications identifications paperwork stuff like that i want to clarify we are not storing anything we are leaving those items on site to pick up we are not storing those currently so if somebody was to come back to the area that was abated and there are important documents that were left behind that is what we are meaning by leaving them behind we're not storing them at a different facility for people to come and pick up and i would like to say that while i'm talking my colleague councilmember maria says under her breath that she can't stand that everything comes back to being about taxpayer dollars well every one of us up here has a fiduciary uh responsibility to the taxpayers of aurora so i really don't appreciate um you know the undertones and and mayor kaufman i just would like to say that i see this as a delay tactic and some of us have supported this camping ban pretty fiercely and i i i i am a little upset that that you are um accepting this amendment to further delay um clearly what what the voters want um councilman armenia mayor thank you mayor of our time well i also have an amendment that is substantive that would in fact delay it that i think that i would like to get on this proposal so it was anticipated that it would take long this process would take a little bit longer um we've lived with this for a long time people are fed up with it people want it to end and so you're right it would take two extra weeks before the effective date of this proposal i i think that's explainable to the residents of this city who waited so long for this policy and so i but i do have an amendment that i would like to share after after the vote on this may pretend mayor is your amendment it's different than the amendment you made earlier that that failed well but i understand in talking to the city attorney the fact that there wasn't a second thank you very much that it is not a subtle question okay okay council member mario yeah i mean we just had a conversation about decorum and not calling council members out and here we are um if i were to share the under breath comments that i hear from this side of the diocese you guys would be shocked um so let's please not open that that can of worms um some pretty um heinous things have been said in my opinion i am frustrated that we are though to my comments to clarify the record i am upset and frustrated that this is a pretty straightforward this is pretty straightforward it gives direction it gives flexibility i think folks who are very clearly opposed to are trying every possible opportunity to make it something it's not we've said time and time again the mayor was okay with it the mayor also had an amendment that would have delayed it in the first place so to say that this is a delay tactic is uninformed and uninformed opinion um and again i just there's there's chatter that is detracting from the essence that is we are taking away everything that people have in this world with this ordinance how dare we not even provide an opportunity to store that safely for people how dare we this is everything that people own and we can't even pass an amendment that will start the conversation because we're trying to make it something it's not and i'm i'm very disappointed that that is the case i i've said it it's very clear you guys read it on the screen about what it does and does not do it even comes back to council and we can't move this forward i don't know what else i would have included in this that we wouldn't have had this dialogue where folks are trying to detract from treating people with dignity and storing their stuff so yeah again it's straightforward city council was giving city manager and staff direction um to store to come up with a policy that city council will ultimately approve so i i would just ask that we we support this and move on mayor proton uh yes councilmember jeremy i just want to say something in response to what was just said um council member mario just stated that with this ordinance we would be taking away everything you know that a homeless person has but even without this ordinance what's being kept right now is identifications personal paperwork and medications and you haven't said anything about that about them losing anything else without this ordinance and that's already going on so that's not that's not going to start happening because of this ordinance you haven't said anything about how how they're currently being abated further discussion mayor pretend mayor pro-tem council member marcano and then council member combs thank you ma'am um i do just want to point out that this entire ordinance not just this amendment is going to carry a pretty tremendous fiscal note and i want to thank the folks who come out and testified in person and those who've done so remotely but i'm disappointed to tell you that if this passes and i suspect it will nothing is going to change because this is what we basically do today we're just going to speed up the clock a little bit and it's going to keep costing us a ton of money and you're going to still see folks camping out on the highway you're going to still see folks camping out near your residences because we haven't actually provided a solution and i'll talk a little more about that when we get to the main ordinance but like i said this is this is going to carry a fiscal note to store people's stuff i think it's the absolute least we can do if we're just going to keep shuffling them around the city until the sun burns out and again y'all deserve a real solution and this is not even close to it council member combs and we are um speaking to the amendment yes so just with respect to the amendment and what we're doing and not doing um what jessica said is that we're leaving or maybe it was lana i don't remember which leaving people's items at the site when the camp is abated if it seems of value that is very different from storing it and keeping it safely i can't imagine how many people's ids have ended up in somebody else's hands or buried in the dirt or something along those lines as a result of having a policy of setting aside on-site items during abatements and having access to one's id is one of the barriers that so many people face in getting housed and getting access to services when they're unhoused as well as having a phone right there are these types of items that they may never get back right if your phone your cell phone is left out at an abated camp it doesn't seem very likely that you're going to get that back so i do think that this makes a big difference between what we're currently doing and like council member modio says this is the least i think we can do to treat people with some dignity in this process and i have question for staff um when when camps are abated do i mean do people typically carry their id on them or have you found ids just left yeah they can be left behind many times they have them in backpacks which they do carry with them but we i mean they've definitely been seen along with birth certificates social security cards that are left behind mayor protem yes councilmember jordinsky i would just also like to point out that this isn't something you know an argument has been that a homeless person would go to work in the morning come back and their camp's been abated i would just like to point out that this ordinance provides a 72 hour notice that their camp would be abated so they would have notice to get their belongings to move to go to a shelter to take a motel voucher all the things being offered so it's not like within an hour you know all of their stuff would be abated this ordinance includes a 72 hour notice to vacate and i'll just say that is a good point and maybe um you could speak to the to that mayor or staff in terms of the 72-hour notice they have to be given that notice face-to-face correct that's correct we cannot abate a camp without 72 hours notice and a shelter option except in where some emergency situations like if you're blocking a fire exit if you're if you're camp right in front of a door that's a fire exit we can tell you to move but we're not going to clean your camp up we just tell you to move or if you're in a flood zone and there's a flood coming would tell you to move but so there's some minor exceptions but in those situations we're not abating to camp then we're just telling you to move because there's a danger okay but so as far as personal items they they would know that they should keep their personal items in their backpack on them if they have 72-hour notice they get the 72 hours notice what they choose to do is what they decide to do okay and i just want to point out um that if there are if no amendments happen with this ordinance it would be effective april 16th if um if the amendment goes forward then it would be april 30th further discussion pro tem can i just ask you a question so the question i have for you is so i know that we have uh um we have a mou with the c dot so that's for the c dot for the corridor for 225 when we see these camps along 225 so my question to you i know how does that work you have we have 72 hours here but c dot has seven days so can you tell me how that works in the memorandum of mou that we have we give them notice at 72 hours and then we work with cdot with the seven days is that how is that how that works so no we have to follow the cdot policy of seven days this we cannot trump it with our ordinance because of the way the iga is written currently so it had we would have to follow the seven day rule for any of those cdot properties that we would be abating on behalf of c dot okay and i'm sorry i'm in iga i didn't mean mou no worries okay so you have to follow the so along the 225 corridor where we're seeing a lot of these cams we still have to go along with the cdot procedures so it's not going to be 72 hours correct okay thank you further discussion on the amendment yes so just to council member lawson's question so those folks would in fact get even more notice that their camp would be abated then the 72 hours they would get even more notice and one thing i would like to point out is if if some of these belongings that we're talking about storing if they're stolen and we store them is that not a crime in and of itself theft by receiving if we can prove if i'm picking up an id that doesn't belong to me yes that would be theft what about personal belongings that are taken from local businesses then there's a problem of how if i'm say monitoring the storage facility and it's all unattended property like a sleeping bag whatever it might be closed with no identification i don't know who that belongs to so just about anybody could claim that so maybe my questions were rhetorical but then why would we store it because that's what council would want thank you mayor pro tem yes motion to close debate on the amendment there's a motion to close debate is there a second second okay there's a second so call for the question on closing debate i'm sorry mayor protemberg and it's taking a second it's looking a little bit longer than normal okay the question has been opened an e-scribe and this is to end the debate mayor kaufman how would you like to vote mr rotary yes the motion passes with nine yes votes two no votes to end the debate no from councilmember mcconnell and combs okay so we are now going to vote on the amended ordinance the question has been opened in e-scribe for council member mario's amendment [Music] yes the motion passes with six votes to include this amendment into the ordinance with the no votes being council members of anik mayor pro-tem bergen councilmember jorinski and councilmember sundberg and i just wanted to say my no vote was because it i think there's some issues still to be worked out it's not because i don't support protecting people's belongings mayor do you have yes i have a an amendment i would renew my motion to amend section 94-122 supper and 4 of the proposed unauthorized camping ordinance to include the following language quote no person shall be issued a summons and complaint for violating this section unquote is there a second do we do we need a second point of order for them do we need a second for conversation because i'd like to know more why the mayor is bringing yeah i think we need a second that's the case i'll second it because i'd like to hear more about what the mayor so we've already voted on this before and there was no second which is why it failed so we do need a second in to continue conversation so i'll second it to continue coming okay so we have a second from council members of onik if i can go to mr joyce that to discuss the intent of this clarifying language the mayor's amendment clarifies that no person that is violating that is in an authorized camp they're they're not going to be convicted they're not going to be issued to summon a complaint they're not going to go to court they're not going to have a bench worn out for the rest because they fail to appear in court but what it does is gives the city the authority that if you're in an author in an unauthorized camp we can order you to move and if you don't move then we can if you you'd be trespassing at that point um i have a question so there's no enforcement of the unauthorized there's the no there is enforcement just you will not be charged with the unlawful being in an unauthorized camp if you fail to move that could be a trespass okay so then then if you fail to move and it's a trespass violation then police would have to move them they'd be issued a complaint or summons a complaint if they continue to say the police department could if they're available move them yes okay so to clarify what the mayor is proposing it's to not give them a summons ticket imprison them but we can still move them and if they then refuse to be moved they are in violation of a trespassing ordinance that's correct okay mayor further discussion council member jorinski um to me this completely takes away enforcement of this camping ban and in fact turns it into what council member marcano was talking about that this would do nothing and mayor kaufman i will seriously have to consider my support of the entire ordinance if you take the teeth out of it um mayor so this the the whole intent here uh is not to clog up our criminal justice system the intent is that and and from the aurora police department from their records they can cite no incidents of course they don't cheap records according to them but they've not been able to cite any incident that there's been a problem in terms of somebody moving once ordered but the fact is they could be arrested if they fail to move and that's the the goal is just to get them to move and the goal is to get them to move to an alternate shelter option but and so that's the objective of this ordinance and but what we don't want to do is citing people this clarifies that we are not citing people for being in an authorized camp we are citing people if they fail to move the objective is to get them to move council member marcano thank you ma'am um mayor this actually seems very reminiscent of one of the many amendments that i offered um last time we discussed this my question for the city attorney is does this still [Music] leave an unhoused individual vulnerable to being charged with failure to disobey a lawful order if a police officer gives that order and it's lawful yes they could be okay because i that's what i thought and i just want a clarification from you because i do want to state that while apd was unable or just doesn't have the data for how many unhoused individuals you know might end up getting charged for that i did get information from the public defender's office that we have hundreds of individuals who have experienced homelessness that have been charged with trespassing so the ordinance even with the mayor's change will still criminalize homelessness in this fashion it'll actually enshrine that it'll institutionalize it in the ordinance so we are going to be basically utilizing city resources and potentially county resources to the tune of what was it that sheriff brown said about 138 dollars a day we could just be providing housing for these people instead and working with the county to do so um mayor that's really i think if you the current situation is we abate encampments the differences with this ordinance is that unauthorized camping is unauthorized camping and it doesn't have to rise to a level of being a threat to public safety or a threat to public health to be abated and so um the currently if if if if an encampment is being invaded first of all the city does not have to offer to offer an alternative shelter option but if somebody fails to move under current law they could be arrested okay mayor pro tem yes so i just uh i guess my question is for the city attorney and maybe for the mayor so is this this amendment is clarifying your intent of not criminalizing somebody for camping to begin with but in fact when we tell them they must move once they violate that then they are committing a illegal act right okay thank you which is the original intent of the camping ban thank you for the clearance clarifies it good further discussion on this amendment okay um we can now vote on the amendment we had a we had a motion in a second correct yes yes the question has been opened in escribe to approve the ordinance 12. the motion does not pass with three yes votes seven no votes the yes votes were council members of anik mayor punta bergen and councilmember gardner okay we are back now to the original ordinance renew my motion for for passing this ordinance this proposal ordinance is there a second no it doesn't require a second discussion mayor pretend councilmember marcano thank you ma'am uh so i'm going to sound like a broken record but i just want to reiterate that you're still going to see people camping all over the place because we're not providing them with housing this is going to institutionalize state violence basically against folks in our city who are experiencing homelessness and we need to implement real solutions such as permanent supportive housing and not set taxpayer on dollars uh sorry set taxpayer dollars on fire with this kind of cruel and ineffective policy and again if you need an example of how poorly this does just look at denver or really most major metros across the united states so i'm going to once again move to table this indefinitely and i would invite my colleagues to join us on a fact-finding mission to houston texas and to san antonio so that we can actually see how permanent supportive housing has cut their homeless population in houston over 55 percent over the last decade and how san antonio has actually brought forward a safe outdoor camping space that is truly helping transition folks out of homelessness and into shelter because what we're do we i think that all of our constituents expect real solutions from us i think you all know this is not a real solution this is just kicking the can this is going to just waste money so let's actually deliver some results for our people is there a second to table the motion or to table the ordinance second okay we have a motion and a second discussion on tabling um i i want to say something because i don't think we should table it we have had this conversation for a long long time and we have residents um i think polling shows about 75 plus percentage of people want a camping ban and i just want to say that you know when you say it's not a solution um it's not it's not a of course it's not a total solution it is a step in the right direction to address you know the businesses and the residents that do have concerns about safety and sanitary conditions and our city has spent tens of millions of dollars on homelessness from different resources whether it be for emergency services or for shelters and i have actually requested that information from jessica so i couldn't even you know keep up with my calculator because i think i was hitting 50 60 million dollars and i don't think i was even done adding arpa funds at that point so a lot of money has gone into it we can argue about whether those were the right decisions where the money went but i think this is a first step that says we we need to have alternative solutions and that's what the ordinance does no one can be no camps can be invaded unless there's a an alternative solution i do want to say that um probably we'll have to read this but a lot of cities in the united states are changing their policies from what they had in the past in fact they're removing encampments and they're enacting policies that normally they would have never thought of and and never had wanted to do in the past so for example portland they have outlined a plan to move three thousand homeless people into temporary shelters staffed by the national guard mayor wheeler's top advisor said our work so far has failed to produce the sought after results in seattle two blocks worth of tents and belongings were removed just this past wednesday washington dc mayor browser launched a program to permanently clear many homeless camps and the lawmakers actually tried to pass a bill to delay the clearing it failed on a 5-7 vote los angeles city council used laws to ban camping and they're actually drafting a ballot measure to prohibit people from sleeping outdoors in public if they have turned down shelter san francisco mayor loudenberg breed declared an emergent a state of emergency to clear camps and combat drug dealing overdose deaths and homelessness that thrives in the encampments she actually said it's time to get aggressive and less tolerant of all the bull that has destroyed the city austin texas last year voters reinstated a ban that penalizes campers and prohibits panhandling so these are a lot of the cities that have realized that what they have done hasn't worked and they are looking at this as a first step so that they can then address the the you know the solutions to it go ahead council member marcano thank you ma'am um so you kind of made my point for me there's a lot of cities who are either already doing this or moving into that direction they have a massive homeless problem it's going to remain that way a lot of what we're we've discussed tonight what's in this ordinance you can find this you know you don't have to take my word for it obviously we all serve on council we all know that this is what we already do we're just codifying it effectively but you can also see more detailed breakdowns in local you know media publications i think the sentinel and westward kind of went over it in some level of detail that this is all stuff that we already do we already don't allow camping i think some of those cities actually did allow camping but all they're going to do is just basically join us and denver and some of these other jurisdictions that don't allow camping which by that i mean they're not going to solve anything they're just going to throw more money at the problem moving people around the city faster than they are you know than we already do here and they're just going to basically end up in the same spot that we are what the point of the part i'm trying to make is you know i've heard that we don't want to be los angeles we don't want to be portland or seattle or whatever we're on the path to being that by doing this because we're basically just emulating these failed policies that they've already had in place in one way or another just like we do we already have effectively a soft camping ban we don't allow camping in all these places i have been helping folks get trespass agreements since getting shortly after getting sworn in in 2019. i mean this is nothing new under the sun and our residents know it doesn't work they're fed up so am i frankly and i think we all are but the issue is that we're not putting money towards a real solution we have had a patchwork of services and that's part of why i want us to go to houston because they also had a patchwork of services just like we did and they failed to address the problem until they consolidated all of that built real relationships with harris county katy perrland if i'm not mistaken or pasadena rather and actually started investing in permanent supportive housing at a large scale and that's how they actually got these folks off the street in fact they were on a if you can look at the unhoused population they have a great graph in the houston chronicle actually or rather rice university put it together and it looks like a ski slope until you get to 2017 which is guess what they did they implemented a camping ban and it actually interrupted the ability of their service providers to connect these people with those resources and get them off the streets so houston went from having a homeless population that looked like this to now a little jigsaw and that's where they've been since so i want us to go learn from them what worked for them how they got on that ski slope because i want us to be on that ski slope but i don't want us to stop until we get to zero i appreciate that um but what i just stated with all the cities they're actually reversing their policies to enact camping bans because the policies that they had placed in place without camping bans were creating tent cities in horrible horrible conditions and people are fleeing those cities in droves moving to colorado in fact because they don't like the conditions that they're seeing in their in their streets so i mean those are the facts that was recently researched um that they are now doing the camping bans they ne and they're doing those so that they can then move forward with the alternative solutions and i'm so i'm against the tabling i'm supporting the camping ban mayor well um this is not denver's camping plan denver has qualifications that thresholds you have to meet in order to be abated this does not other than this time window i will have a follow-on proposal to this that will set a direction for the city that would be comprehensive and with that the motion to call for the question is there a second second sorry point of order council member gardner seconded um so we have a motion oh sorry we we're on the motion to table sorry to table call for the question okay so we are uh there's a call to the question to tape on the on the motion to table and we had a second so could we go ahead and bring that up katie okay just to clarify are we voting on call the question are we voting on to table indefinitely we're we're voting on the call for the question um on the tabling so we're we're basically saying we want to vote for the tabling by a yes vote and a no vote says we are not we're we're not closing debate okay the motion is uh the question is open in escribe to close the debate for tabling indefinitely how would you like to vote um mayor voces councilmember lawson sorry my computer's went out i'm voting yes to know to what am i is it i'm sorry i'm like all confused now uh yes oh to table no we're not tabling yes um you're voting yes to close the debate and to oh yes i'm sorry okay the motion passes with nine yes votes two no votes from council member marcano and council member coombs okay thank you um now we need to vote on the tabling okay that's correct and a yes vote is you're tabling this and no vote is you are going to have to vote again today mayor kaufman how would you like to vote i may vote snow and council member lawson i'm a no as well okay the motion does not pass to table and definitely with the yes votes being councilmember medina marcano combs and mario yes mayor remember time i asked the council for an eye vote uh on the uh unauthorized campaign abatement ordinance and uh i'd make a motion to call for the question is there a second jarinsky we have a second by council member jorinsky and we are voting on the most the original motion as amended we're voting on to close debate oh i'm sorry closing on debate yeah so we are yeah voting on closing debate okay okay the question is now open an e-scribe for voting to end the debate mayor kaufman how would you like to vote yes the motion passes with seven votes four no votes from councilmember medina marcano combs and muriel to end the debate okay now we are voting on the amended ordinance and we do have um a motion from mayor kaufman in a second from council members of onik to approve the ordinance with the approved amendment from council member thank you the question is now open in e-scribe for voting can i have clarification please if i if i vote uh no on this does it is it a no on the entire ordinance or is it correct via no on council members so it would be a no on the entire ordinance since we did a vote already on council member mario's amendment and it passed but it yeah a yes vote you're still supporting the campaign ban a no vote you're you're no longer supporting the campaign ban that's correct so if you vote yes then you're voting yes for the entire ordinance if you're voting no then you're voting no for the entire ordinance council members of anik i'm sorry i don't have your vote yes mayor kaufman there is a tie vote yes the motion passes with six yes votes five no votes with the nose being councilmember medina marcano combs lawson and mario to end ordnance 20 22 12 passes number 19a consideration to a point what's that yes 19a consideration to appoint one member to the human relations commission come here councilman coombs move to appoint nicole hodges to the human relations commission second it's been seconded by a neighborhood tim uh discussion of seeing uh no further discussion call for the question on 19a question has been opened in escribe for voting mayor kaufman how would you like to vote uh mayor chess the motion passes unanimously to approve item 19a number 28 a report by the mayor of mayor's new report 20b report by the council councilmember lawson okay thank you mayor i just have one report for the pfizer committee representative crowe and senator hickenlooper included our request to fund safe outdoor spaces in the 2022 federal appropriations omnius bill that request was for 1.35 million and was made through the congressionally directed spending cds process staff will provide further information on the timing of that funding and its specific use in the coming weeks the pfizer committee met on march 11th staff will be sending via email positions by the committee which you should have received those in your email today if council has any questions or concerns on bill positions please reach out to dcm viningis and that's all i have mayor thank you councilmember lawson councilmember gardner thank you mayor this saturday along with denver councilwoman amanda sawyer raw tools the cardo springs based non-profit and the denver broncos all be co-hosting a gun buyback event at mile high stadium that event runs from 10 to one so folks in the community can come anonymously uh turn in their weapons and this is really an opportunity for folks who can't properly store their guns they keep them in their car in their home to turn those in that they don't want because most often the data that we're seeing says that those guns are what are stolen and ultimately used in crime and so i'm really looking to be able to get some of those guns off the street so again that's this saturday from 10 to one at mile high stadium with denver council member amanda sawyer raw tools and the denver broncos after that event we'll be co-hosting a community session from three to five also in the parking lot of mile high stadium where we'll hear from some community folks who've been impacted by gun violence and have an opportunity to see the process from one of those firearms turned into a garden tool so we do have some opportunities for volunteer slots so if you're interested please reach out otherwise that's it for me council members devonik yeah two updates the four at-large council members are going to be hosting our second town hall it's still a couple months away may 5th at heather garden 6 p.m we're going to have an update from our budget director and then we'll also be opening up a bunch of time for q a and then also this upcoming thursday at noon the red tape reduction committee is meeting for our second hearing you can learn more about that at engage aurora dot gov council member yes i would just like to let the public know that it started today the city is doing a spring youth days it's from today through the 18th and the city of aurora is giving away free access to youth ages 17 at the central rec center and the moorhead rec center from noon to 8 pm they are also offering free food so i just wanted to let the public know that council member mario thanks mayor a couple announcements um my town hall it was will be next thursday march 24th at 6 00 pm we'll be at the mlk library this month and will be joined by our city manager um so he'll give us some updates on city business so i hope you can make it out to listen to the ceo of our city and then my next announcement is i just wanted to um just a shout out to our city staff i had the opportunity the rare opportunity to have some time off from my my day job um and transitioning to a new one but um i took the opportunity to kind of reorient myself to city business you know a lot has changed since i was first elected four years ago and i felt like there was no better opportunity than to um you know to our city tour our city facilities get a you know better sense of different pieces of infrastructure different departments and um was just thankful for the opportunity to reintroduce myself reorient myself to all things city of aurora and as you know these conversations on the dice can be really tough emotionally draining exhausting at times but i'll tell you it was just really reinvigorating to just see you know everyday people just doing their job and you know everyone was super helpful informative and friendly and all that good stuff but just seeing the way that our city is run and all of the work that we as council members don't get to see as often you know just from the diocese and not working for a department per se um was really i think the the pep in my step that i needed so i just wanted to thank our city manager for setting that up and really our city staff for all that you do thank you councilmember sunberg mayor thank you this wednesday at 6 30 p.m central rec center town hall and people driving like crazy through neighborhoods with traffic calming is the topic and in may we've got a let's get ready to rumble panel discussion on the controversial topic of metro districts don't miss out councilmember medina thank you mayor yeah my tunnel will be wednesday april 6th at the active adult center at 6 30. that's all i've got councilmember mcconnell thank you mayor um okay this thing's on our next ward 4 meeting is going to be on thursday april 14th at 6 30 p.m at colorado early colleges we should have our hybrid technology in place by then so you will be able to join us both online and in person our main event is going to be the 2022 budget presentation by greg hayes so bring your budget questions concerns and priorities and i hope you can join us then cosmetic combs yes i am having my town hall tomorrow um at the central recreation center at 6 p.m and we will be discussing um changes to recent changes to the animal code as well as homeless sweeps and how they impact the people who experience them mayor bertembergen thank you mayor first i just want to say that we have gotten a lot of emails and and you see it on social media as well um the concern from our residents on the escalating crime um i think all of you know you you know see it on tv in the newspapers and the number of shootings and homicides are just really disturbing and i just want to make sure that that we as as a council and as city really do hear you and i'm hoping that we will put out a strong message to our residents about you know what we can do about crime i know a lot of it is not necessarily in our hands but we have to address this and it's it's it's the number one concern of our residents right now then i want to just talk about my town hall which will be march 23rd at heritage eagle bend clubhouse from 6 to 8. the main topic will be on development in ward 6. so a lot of residents are curious about what is popping up in their neighborhoods whether it be commercial or residential so we'll have a presentation on that and then my general updates as well for e-470 we had our board meeting last week and had a report from from the colorado state patrol they gave us an annual report one of the things that they talked about though was that they had stopped someone on e-470 that was in the process of actually stealing a catalytic converter from a vehicle however they were not able to to take that suspect in because the i guess the jails are not taking criminals unless it's a violent crime so that's kind of upsetting and then you price on the news there was an airplane crash thankfully no nobody was injured or killed but it was an airplane crash on e-470 i think by jordan road but they we had a really good response from e-470 staff as well as from south metro to take care of that because it was a hazmat situation we approved a bunch of contracts and then for mile high flood district i did have a meeting actually with staff from our water department to get a better understanding of our partnership there that's all i have thank you publicly invited to be heard mayor we do have an individual in the chambers to speak um i'm exhausted um mayor kaufman i hope your gavel is ready because this is probably the final public invite to be heard at the end of a meeting since that has been eliminated tonight i'd encourage you to give me at least extra 45 minutes beyond the three minutes both because this is the last time and also because other members who spoke on issues that you and your caucus were in favor of were given 45 seconds to a minute longer than anybody else tonight um you as a council have made decisions tonight that are extremely far-reaching that are really massive changes to the way that our city works and over this process the only person who i have heard genuinely asking what do we do next how do we accommodate for these changes has been council member maria with her amendment to make sure that people had access to storage when their camps were of eight were abated it was the only focus on how the logistics of all of these changes that you have made have worked you haven't thought about what happens when people who come to speak at public invited to be heard who come all the way here and are the 11th person to speak to be in the line where do they go what do they do do you think that they're going to go away quietly and be you know thankful that they were wasted their time to come out here to try to speak to you do you think that this will save you time in that you will not have to still speak to people because we can still organize and i know i'm a big scary organizer who calls my friends and family for from aurora and asked them to speak on things but we can come i'm looking forward to your town hall where i certainly hope that the agenda is as open as public invited to be heard where i certainly hope that your q a would allow people to speak as much as they would at public invited to be heard i imagine that's not the case but i look forward to finding out and then finally i also want to note that um i cried tonight on this floor because you have made you've done things that are absolutely cruel to people who have lived experiences like mine um i am the bootstrapped model that you want from a homeless person in this city i was homeless when i was growing up in this city and the options that you offer whether or not they're what seattle does whether they're not what anyone else does would not have met my needs i was in a car living living that way and the ordinances that you have passed would have made me a criminal they would have made it illegal for me to do what i do and i wouldn't have been able to go to the resource in the place that you want to go because they wouldn't have met that you want people to go to because they wouldn't have met my needs because it would have involved being separated from my family to go to certain types of shelters because it would have been involved um having my items even my lice ridden sleeping bags taken from me and those lice ridden sleeping bags those horrible items that you're not willing to keep for people are the only source of stability that people have if someone is rising or trying to find stability out of homelessness they need resources and when they're not given resources by their city and they're continuously moved around by their city and their items are taken away you are taking the only the only opportunity they have to make stability for themselves ma'am you're reaching your three minutes would you like to gavel me sir yes [Laughter] um you need to think about what comes next um and then finally before before you you do gavel me um i cried tonight council members of monic you laughed at me and you're glee to celebrate your win on public invited to be heard and some people you laughed at me and i am your constituent i will be at your town hall you can bet on it mayor we do have one more person on the call in line currently you have three minutes go ahead yeah i just wanted to take a moment to thank councilmember jorinski for the time she's taken to come to some of the police briefings and to talk with officers in general about what we need and what we'd like to see come to the police department that has resulted in us obtaining some much needed equipment and not only that it's boosted morale significantly and and also uh uh council member zavonik and council member uh sunberg you we've seen you at briefings also and and that's been awesome um councilmember durensky we know you have a busy schedule and the fact that you've taken the time to check in with us with the rank and file at the police department that means a great deal to us you have a great deal of support at the police department and not only that i'm out there dealing with the general public every day and i hear from people every single day and you have a great deal of support from the people and the general public as well so i just wanted to pass that on and you are greatly appreciated out there so i just wanted to pass that on to you thank you that's all i have to say today is your further public invited to be heard no mere we are adjourned [Music] so [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] you