Well, good evening everyone. Welcome to our city council meeting April 7th, 2025. Uh council member Heredia is excused and Vice uh Mayor Summers has participated by Zoom and all our council members are here. So, thank you. With that, we're going to begin with the invocation by Reverend Tony Garcia from the First Christian Church. After she's done, we'll uh have the pledge of allegiance. So, please stand for both of those. Thank you. Well, let us pray. God of wisdom and grace, we thank you for the gift of this city and for the people who make it the vibrant, diverse, and growing community it is. We lift up Mayor Freeman, our city council members, and all those who strive to make Mesa a great place to live. Give them clear minds and steady hearts as they navigate the important work before them. May they lead with compassion and a deep commitment to what is right and good for all who call this place home. We also give thanks for the citizens gathered tonight and for those whose voices and hopes are represented in this place and beyond. Remind us that building a strong and healthy community takes all of us working together with respect and care. May this meeting be guided by wisdom, shaped by humility, and filled with the kind of listening that leads to understanding. In your holy and precious name we pray. Amen. Amen. Thank you. Join me in the pledge of allegiance. I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you everyone. Uh we're going to begin with uh we're proud to recognize April 5th through 11th is CASA week casa volunteer week. Let me explain that the health and safety and wellbeing of Arizona's children are foundational to our community's future and each year thousands of children entered into the foster care system in need of stability and support. So, courtappointed special advocates, that's what Costa stands for, step into this gap as trusted volunteers who champion the best interests of these youth during tough times. Their compassion, dedication, and advocacy makes a lasting impact. We'd like to thank these amazing volunteers for making a big difference in children's lives and encourage others to get involved. I'd like to introduce Robin Pearson, executive director and co-founder of Voices for CASA Children, and Trista Guzman Glover, president of Voices of Kasa Children Board of Directors. Why don't you both come up and share a few words? And Trisha, you bring in your baby. Awesome. Thank you. Good evening, Mayor Freeman and Council. My name is Trista Guzman Glover, and I'm the board president for Voices for Kasa Children. On behalf of Voices, I want to extend our sincerest appreciation for proclaiming CASA volunteer week in Mesa, Arizona. Your recognition of the vital work of courtappointed special advocates highlights the importance of standing up for children in foster care who need a voice and a champion during difficult times. By shining a light on this cause, you are helping to inspire more community members to step forward and make a meaningful difference in the lives of vulnerable children. Your leadership and commitment to fostering a supportive and compassionate community are deeply appreciated. Together, we can ensure that every child feels seen, heard, safe, and valued. Thank you so much. Thank you, Robin. Again, I just want to say thank you as the executive director. This means so much to our organization and to the volunteers who are here in Maricopa and and Mesa, Arizona looking out after our vulnerable children. So, thank you so much. Great. Well, don't leave. We're going to come down and take a picture with you. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Nice to meet you. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it very much. Thank you. Thank you for coming down. Uh, next we'll uh item two is a consent agenda. Mr. Christopher, if as you come forward, would you please remove 6A from your consent agenda? Good evening, mayor and council members. These are the items on the consent agenda. All items listed with an asterisk will be considered as a group by the city council and will be enacted with one motion. There will be no separate discussion unless a council member or citizen request in which event the item will be removed from the consent agenda and considered as a separate item. Item two, approval minutes of previous meetings is written. Item 3A, act on liquor license application for Copper State Tap House, 1033 North Dobson Road. Item 3 B, act on liquor license for Kierra Mariettis, 1911 West Broadway. Item 3 C, act on liquor license for Extra Mile, 414 West Guadalupe Road. Item 3 D, act on liquor license for French Toast Cafe. That is 7641 East Guadalupe Road. Item 4 A, approving additional vendor awards to the three-year term contract with two-year renewal options for safety shoes for various departments as requested by the human resources department. Item 4 B, approving dollar limit increase to the cooperative term contract for office furniture products and services for the business services department. Item 4 C, approving one-year term contract with four-year renewal options for a nodeless service risers for the business services department for the energy resources department. Item 4 D, approving three-year term contract with two-year renewal options for automobile dealers eligibility list for the fleet services department. Item 4 E, approving three-year term contract with two-year renewal options for auction services. Item 4 F, approving three-year term contract with two-year renewal options for swimming pool cool deck reservicing for the parks, recreation, and community facilities department. Item 4G, approving 16-month use of cooperative term contract with renewal options for security and protection systems and related equipment, technology, parts, support, and services for the Mesa Police Department. Item 5A, approving resolution to enter into a memorandum of understanding between the city of Mesa and Soul Trust Maine for completion of the development project known as the grid including city-owned property generally located at the southwest corner of Main Street in Pomeroy. Item 5B approving a resolution to submit a grant application by child crisis Arizona to the Ochen Indian community and authorizing the city manager to accept and administer subsequent awarded funds as a pass through grant. Item 5 C approving a resolution to submit a grant application by Desert Sounds Performing Arts to the Ochen Indian Community and authorizing the city manager to accept and administer subsequent awarded funds as a pass through grant. Item 5D approving resolution to submit a grant application by Desert Sounds performing arts to the Pasquite Yaki tribe and authorizing the city manager to accept and administer subsequent awarded funds as a pass through grant. Item 5E, approving resolution setting May 19th, 2025 as a public hearing date to review the proposed fiscal year 2025 2026 annual assessments for the Mesa Town Center Improvement District. The proposed final assessments do not include any rate increases. Item 5F, approving resolution for zoning case 24-876 for property located at the southeast corner of Southern Avenue and Signal. Council use permit for a freeway landmark monument. Item 6A has been removed from the consent agenda. Item 6B, introduction of ordinance for zoning case 24-756 for property south of the southeast corner, Mckelops Road in Val Vista Drive. This is for a reszone of the bonus intensity zone overlay for development of one single residence. Item 6 C, introduction of ordinance adding section 1-12-10 to the Mesa City Code, Title 1, Chapter 12, authorizing the Mesa Municipal Court to assess certain court monitoring fees in the schedule of fees and charges. Item 6D, introduction of ordinance amending section 1-20-4, the Mesa City Code, Title One, Chapter 20, to provide the city manager authority to extinguish, abandon, and grant certain easements and to dedicate rights of way and easements to the public from city-owned land and amending Title 9, Chapter 10 regarding the extinguishment of easements. Item 7A, approving ordinance amending the city code, Title 5, Chapter 7, to exempt those who solely sell secondhand goods. and item 8A, approving subdivision plat for property located east of the southeast corner of Mulps Road and Greenfield Road. Mayor and council members, these are the items on the consent agenda. Thank you, Mr. Christopher. We have a motion by Miss Billsbury, a second by Miss Duff. Please cast your vote. Vice Mayor, how do you vote? I vote I. Thank you. Motion passes. Next, we'll move back over to item 6A on the council agenda. And I know there's a lot of people here to talk about this 6A, the 121 Beverly Project, but I want to I want to ask the council if they would consider this. I know as we've met previously there has been some concerns about the project in itself but I would like to suggest that staff and the applicant uh explore ways to reduce its density and we have a continuence of this project and I want to encourage the neighborhood and the applicant and staff to work together to do this. Um, I want to give staff the flexibility to bring back once the issues have been sufficiently addressed, when a new public hearing is scheduled, it's properly noticed to the neighbors and other interested parties are aware of the new date. So, that's something I want you to consider, council, if you're willing to do that continuence to move forward with that. And um, I'll entertain maybe a suggestion by our vice uh, city attorney, Mr. Smith about this type of process. Mayor and council, if you want, you can have a conversation about this to see if you're an an indication, maybe not do the motion right now. Um, and that way all the speakers that are here, they might know ahead of time that you're inclined to grant a continuence for this anyways. And so maybe um, you know, they they won't take their full three minutes recognizing that they're going to be working with the applicant to try to bring a revised project to council in the future. So, council, let's let's have a discussion on how you want to proceed. Are you go ahead, Miss Bill? Um, yeah, I that was going to be my question was if we were still going to hear from the neighbors because I would like to hear from the neighbors. Um, I have been a part of a lot of controversial zoning cases over the last four and a half years. And um I've I've been very um impressed with the neighborhoods who will voice their opinions and work with us in trying to see how we can make this be um something that works for the neighborhood and for the developers. And it's really important to have those voices engaged. And um one one in particular asked for three different, you know, areas that they had concerns about. And it took a long time. It took several months to to get through some of those concerns, but at the end of the day, we were able to come up with a better project for the neighborhood because the neighbors were willing to work on it with us. And I was really grateful for their voices instead of just saying, "We don't want anything on that lot, so we're going to fight you all the way." They were willing to sit with um staff and with the developers and the architect and and work on coming up with a better I think it ended up being a better project. It's just starting to be built. So, um, you know, we'll see how it ends up, but I just think that at the end of the day, it's so important for all of the voices to come together. And I don't feel like that has happened completely yet on this project. Um, I I um think there's a lot of really great things about this project. I also want to make sure the neighborhood's voices are being heard as well. So, I would support a continuence. Miss Duff, I think the um zoning proposal is adequate is I I'm for supporting the project as is. I think the density is appropriate for the neighborhood. Um we have heard from neighbors who are opposed to it and we've received some emails for and against, but I don't think we have the breadth of hearing. I would like to hear from some of the neighbors first before we go into removing that option to hear from them. Um, I have a lot of reasons for it as far as keeping the zoning as is. Um, and I can go into that, but I think we owe it to the people that are here to hear from them before we take any action. Okay. When you say the zoning as is, you mean as proposed? As proposed. Not current zoning, but as proposed. Okay. Any other council want to speak? Mr. Adams, I would lean towards uh listening to the folks who have come here tonight to speak to us about it. Always in favor of listening to uh different ideas and looking for a way to compromise or to reason together towards a a resolution that works for as many people as possible. Um, I would uh I would support a continuence possibly, but uh uh I'd be in favor of listening to the uh folks that are here to speak tonight and then making that decision. Okay. Very good. And I think we also need to hear from the applicant because we know on properties you have to have a certain amount of re revenue in order to support the project. And if what we're asking is to go below a breaking point, there's no point in continuence. Okay. Thank you. With that said, we'll uh hear from I've got uh 10 requests to speak. We're going to hear from all 10 and then there are 33 that opposed to the project. So, the first person, Brett Stephenson, if you'll come forward and speak. You have three minutes, followed by Stephen Harris. State your name and address. Stephen, you're on deck. Hello, Mayor Freeman and Council. My name is Brett Stevenson. I live at 1025 West Second Place. Um, my name is Brett Stevenson and I stand before you today not just as a homeowner, but as a father, husband, and lifelong neighbor by marriage. And as someone who believes deeply in the stewardship of community, the lofts at 121 proposal is incompatible with the identity, values, and safety of this historical Mesa neighborhood. Its approval would be a serious breach of the responsibility this council holds to protect the communities it serves. My home was built in 1944. The house of on the development site was built in 1930. The neighborhood is not just aging, it's historic, its living heritage. My life, my wife has lived here her entire life. And we are now raising our twin eight-year-old daughters and four-year-old son on the same streets she grew up on. People don't just come to live here, they choose to live here. They come here for the charm, the scale, the walkability, the sense of history you can't find in most Arizona neighborhoods. And that's exactly what this development threatens to erase. My children play outside. They ride bikes. We walk together. These everyday moments are possible because of the quiet, familiar, safe environment we live in. But this project would introduce dozens more vehicles, a revolving door of unfamiliar faces, a towering highdensity president in presence inccompatible with family life. It's not just a change in skyline, it's a change in what kind of neighborhood this will be, and I will not quietly accept that risk for my children. Approving this development will devalue our homes. A Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia study confirmed that homes adjacent to incompatible highdensity rental developments see reduced appreciation, even long-term losses in value. This is not a project built to fit into the neighborhood. It's a project built to maximize profit at the expense of everything that makes our community desirable in the first place. All 68 units are rental only. That means no home owners, no personal investment, no commitment to the community. Rentals, especially highdensity ones, tend to have higher turnover and less accountability and are often managed by companies with no roots in the neighborhood. We need neighbors, not a stream of short-term tenants. We need investment, not absentee oversight. This isn't just about safety. It's about predictability. Research from Indiana University and others show that highdensity rentals, especially when poorly managed, lead to increased property crime and neighborhood disorder. That's not a stereotype. It's a documented reality. When people don't know each other and when ownership is absent, the social fabric frays that puts families like mine and children like mine at risk. Our roads are narrow. Our traffic is light. That's exactly why we live here. A sudden addition of dozens of new households will strain our streets and our sidewalks and our ability to walk safely and drive together. Beverly Park, already modest, will be overwhelmed. It's it's where families gather and it's now being treated as an overfl space with for private development with no enforceable promise of investment, expansion, or protection. Thank you, Brent. Sorry, three minutes are up. Yeah. Thank you. All right, Stephen. Following Stephen, Daryl Bradshaw, if you'll be on deck, please. My name is Stephen Harris. I live at 337 North Beverly. I approve the project. It's going to bring our property values up. It's going to clean the neighborhood up. And I live in a real old house. But um the park over there and Beverly, that's a mess. That park's a mess. And it'll overlook it. Keep the riff raft out of that. And um I approve it. So that's all I got to say. Thank you, sir. Mr. Bradshaw and then Owen Wood. My name is Daryl Bradshaw. I live at 1042 West 2nd Street. My dad developed this area, Westwood Park. I moved one block away from where I grew up. I'm just about 80 years old. I plan to die in this property. You don't realize, but we've gone around the neighborhood. There's between extension, Elma school, Maine, and University. There's about 3,000 uh condominiums, apartments, 3,000 that you can rent, be a part of. The problem with this this property, there's going to be 60, 68, whatever it is. It's right behind the neighbors. I've known those neighbors for 40 years. They want to move out simply because this property is designed to go two stories. Two stories. They say they're going to plant trees there. You won't be able to see into backyards. Yes. Yes. You'll be able to see into somebody's backyard that's been there for 40 years. That's wrong. You wouldn't want somebody in a two-story apartment looking down in your backyard that you've owned for 40 years. That's terrible. Not even consionable. Second story. The second thing that he talked about the first person is all these properties I talked about almost 3,000. They all have an outlet on a major thoroughfare on a nice street. This has one way in and one way out for 60 properties. on Beverly Street. When I grew up, it was Beverly Lane, little street. Two part cars can't pass on that street if there's a car on the street. You have to wait till this guy passes and this guy passes. You put that many cars coming out of that into that. Not only that, but you've got that huge complex on Maine. I don't know what time I've got left. Oh, here's 45 seconds. Uh those kids walked down our neighborhood. Those cars coming out of there, little tiny kids going to the junior high and the and the Emerson school down there. Those cars that many cars coming out of there, I'm afraid they're not going to see a little Most parents come with and walking their kids, but it's just wrong for the neighborhood. Uh, thank you for your time. It's not good for the neighborhood. Thank you, Mr. Bradshaw. Next, [Applause] uh Owen Wood. Uh, following Owen, uh, Linda Spy, you're on deck. Good evening, Salt City Council. My name is Owen Wood. I live at 234 North Beverly. Uh my wife and I have raised our eight children and 27 foster kids, not all at once, but in this house on Beverly, uh they've they play up and down the street. They do some playing at the park. Um, as it was explained to me, um, these were going to be homes, not rentals. Now I'm finding out that they're going to be rentals. Um, I came here to get a little more clarity on what is actually going to be here. I was for it when there were going to be homes, but if there's if there's going to be rentals, I'm against it. It's just uh like the gentleman said, it's just going to be too much uh short-term in and out for this neighborhood. Um if it's going to be rentals, I am against this. I My wife has lived on this in this house her entire life for the last 60 years. Um, I've lived there for I'm too old, I guess, uh, for 40 years. It's best not to count. But uh like I said, I need to do some more digging on what this is actually going to be about. Find out what uh they're really going to be before I can really. But like I said, if it's rentals, I'm against it. If it's homes that people are going to purchase and live there, I'm for it. I thank you for your time. Thank you. We'll have the applicant speak later. Uh, Linda, following Linda Mike Ziggler. Again, my name is Linda Spy. I live at 1019 West Second Street. Again, I'd like to invite my neighbors to stand up, please. Come on, folks. Kids, you, too. Thank you. Thank you everybody. One of the things I'd like to say and I'm glad you're tableabling this back to more consideration because so far we have found Mr. Bo to be absolutely unmoving in density. Absolutely unmoving. He reduced it by two for parking spots. Not good enough. We spoke to him at the church at the initial meeting he had and asked him to reduce it by a third. won't talk about it. Won't even discuss it. Nope. Won't pencil out. Our neighborhood is under siege if you put these in. And since we found out that they are not guaranteed at this point to be sales, we're worried. We don't need people who don't care about our neighborhood creeping through our neighborhood constantly. It is just not good form. Our neighborhood is an old neighborhood. We don't have wide streets. We don't have a lot of police patrols and and consequently we have a lot of buns, excuse me, homeless or anything else you want to call them knocking on our doors, panhandling. I've often they want money. I offer them food and they won't take it. So these people are not people we necessarily want wandering in our neighborhood. And it happens all the time. Again, I'm going to stress we really, really need a call to sack on Beverly with an EMS gate possibly because there's no way to get into that area. But the traffic coming up Beverly is ridiculous. My husband was sitting waiting for me while I was talking to some of the neighbors and five cars came up Beverly, hardly stopped at Second Street, and continued to university. We don't need this in our neighborhood. And if you add 60 people, we're looking at another 100 cars. The kids, the exit from this project comes right out north of the park where all the kids cut through the park to go to school. These kids run, they tag, they play games, they they're goofy like kids are. They're going to one of them is going to run out in front of a car that decided they had to be to work right now from this development and possibly get hit. We worry about our kids. We are out there every day with our kids. There's a bunch of us that just watch the kids walk home to make sure they are safe. So, we're asking again, please make Mr. Bole understand this needs to be reduced in density significantly. We got copa going in across the street, 35 people, maybe 36. Cool. But 60 inside our neighborhood, not around our neighborhood, inside our neighborhood just isn't appropriate. Our second street is not like Second Street here. It just isn't. We need you guys to really consider this to be downsized. Thank you. Thank you, Linda. Next, Mike Ziggler. [Applause] Mike Ziggler. Taking me a second to get warmed up. Gotcha. After Mike, we'll hear from uh Jeremy Rolley. I do. My name is Mike Ziggler. As my wife Linda Spy that just talked to you, live at 1019 West Second Street. I've been that individual that's been inundating your email with all kinds of technical stuff. Uh, basically what I want to talk about is if you we put this project in and we've got the Copa going in Kitty Corner across the street, you figure the fact that this project will probably give us 100 kids going to school. Copa will probably give us another 30. So, we're going to have 130 kids going through Second Street at Beverly at the Second Street where we're going to go and have all of the cars that come out of this project. Excuse me. What I'm afraid of also is that people come out of this complex are going to see the traffic stopped at Second Street and they're going to go and cut through Beverly Point. As I indicated on the stuff that I sent you, the cam candle had to go and close their Beverly entrance because people were cutting through to avoid the traffic light. Um, so basically too many cars, too many kids. And uh, Second Street, if you took a look, if you witnessed it, I showed you a photograph of what that intersection looks like when we have traffic parked at. you cannot see what's coming down west on excuse, excuse me, east on Second Street. Um, and we've had accidents there. Had one buddy, somebody came around the corner too quickly, didn't stop, hit a wall. Matter of fact, the wall still hasn't been repaired. So, we just can't have this many people, this many kids in our neighborhood. I have given, well, let's put it this way. In the beginning, I have reached out to the architect. Uh my first email when I end up send it to Joshua told him I was what he's fort. The second one that I sent to him um was reference to traffic. Nothing. I uh then sent something to I think it's Evan and he called me up a couple days later and says, "Have you ever talked to the architect?" I said, "No, he hasn't called me." A couple days later, I got a phone call from him and all he want all he talked about was the trees that the um pecan trees that were there that said that were going to be transplanted are gone. They're not there anymore. Let's see then. Uh we had a meeting with him last what was it Tuesday or Wednesday where he told us I had a meeting my wife myself and Mr. Bradshaw had a meeting with him where he told us that this job was a done deal. The council had approved it and essentially told us we going to be wasting our time. Well, obviously when we ended up seeing the study session from last Thursday, that's not the case and uh still haven't decided whether it's going to be rentals or is it going to be stuff to uh are they going to be things to buy. So anyway, um I thank you. Ah, my legs bothering the hell out of me. Thank you, Mike. Thank you much, Mr. Rolley. Jeremy, I don't think I can get this done in 30 seconds. So, you have three minutes. All right. Uh, this proposed development, your name and address, please. Jeremy Roelly. Um, I grew up on the property there, 121, and I currently live in Tempe. This proposed development is based on a heavy involvement in this area. This is not a driveby acquisition of something done by a corporate banker at 30,000 ft. I've spent my whole life on that street. Second Street south of Beverly to Main Street is a very different animal than the internal I'll call it the internal circle inside the Westwood neighborhood. I'm sorry to hear from Daryl. Um, all these neighbors are my friends. We never intended for this project to ever be for rent. That was not what we were trying to do there. I was trying to play out a legacy from my childhood growing up there. I watched Carl Standage plow all the farmland that was around us. We ran cows and animals on where the park is now. And all of this was done with open arms to the neighborhood. We had live meetings for the neighbors to come. We didn't do it on Zoom because I wanted everyone to be involved. We did a traffic study to help them understand the ramifications of the traffic and also so we would know, right? Um, I've worked with Tim and I understand it's I spent last weekend and went around to some of the neighbors and talked to some of them that I know and some of them that actually back up to the project. What I can tell you is it sounds like there is a lot of misinformation getting proposed to the neighborhood and it doesn't seem like everyone is in such push back or against it. They're willing to accept new families. I want people to enjoy the same things I did. I got my Eagle Scout award at the Ward building down the street. I went to the three schools that line up in a row. We walked from the homestead there all the way to Emerson. I mean, I went and talked to a neighbor who it was my fifth grade teacher. It's new residence. They back up to the property. They were fully in support of it. I went down the street, talked to another neighbor who is my kindergarten teacher at Emerson. She's still alive. I I think we're just getting a lot of misinformation. And unfortunately, infill projects, as you can see, when you drive around, they don't pencil out at low density. It's just you just can't do it. Not with everything that we're up against with inflation and the cost of everything. So, the project design was based on the passion that my father had for homing pigeons. That's why they have those front elevations. So, this this wasn't something that we were just trying to boot together and and, you know, just pass through. There was a lot of time and effort put into this. I appreciate your guys' time. I know what you're up against, but uh yeah, there was a lot of time and effort like my whole life, 50 years on that street. So, thank you, Mr. Rolling. Yep. Uh, next, Alex Forensic. As close as I could get with it, Alex. Following him, Madison Reynolds here on deck. Thank you, Alex. Thank you, mayor, council members. Alex Ranich District 5. I don't live in this neighborhood, but I do feel for the neighbors because I've gone through a similar situation. Um, I would hope that if I was going through such a uh challenging, stressful neighborhood development that these young these people would also come and support me. So, I'm here to support them. And uh I want to make it clear that I am not against development. Um, but every citizen that I've almost every citizen that I've spoken with is not for more high density rental units. This is not what builds good neighborhoods. Um, my understanding is that Mesa under uh section 8 housing still has another 145 vacancies. If this is about housing, there's still availability. Um, we want more properties being developed for purchase to own. This is what makes good communities and high density does increase crime levels, especially when they're rental properties. Um, I listened to the Thursday's uh Thursday morning session and if this development was made to to own or to be able to purchase that would be a completely different conversation from what I understood and what I heard the discussion about. Um, private property resolves the issue of what is called the tragedy of the commons. And the more rentals and less ownership, what ends up happening is that expression that I don't necessarily care for that goes, uh, you will own nothing and you will be happy. Um, so I ask you to support this community. We're not against the development, but as you heard, uh we are against this type of development, but as you heard, the other people that live in that neighborhood, they were led to believe that this would be for uh purchase to own. So, I am here to support them. Thank you. Thank you, Alex. Uh [Applause] Madison, after Madison, we'll hear from Evelyn Herman. Good evening, council members. Uh, my name is Madison Reynolds. I live off 239 North Beverly, right up the street. My great-grandparents, Hans Anderson and Manoa Richardson, raised 10 children, eight of whom lived, worked, and thrived right here in Mesa. That includes my grandmother, Zelda Anderson, Merritt, and her siblings, Darl Anderson, Tresa Anderson, McKinnon, Janet Anderson Ray, Ethell Anderson Ray, Ruth Anderson 3, Lenir Anderson, and Donna Anderson Beaser. Today, hundreds of their descendants, including my own eight children, still call Mesa home. We're proud to raise the next generation here and remain deeply invested in the future of the city we love. This isn't just about change. It's about making sure new development aligns with Mesa's vision for safe, connected, and vibrant neighborhoods. As residents of a stable, well well-maintained community, we respectfully ask you to reconsider this project in light of the city's stated principles or priorities. Community safety. Hundreds of school children walk through the Beverly and sec second street intersection daily, which already sees hundreds of cars daily. Adding more traffic puts children at risk and contradicts the goal of building safe and healthy communities. Second, transforming neighborhoods. This project doesn't transform our neighborhood for the better. It adds congestion, reduces safety and risks, displacing engaged residents who take pride in where they live. Third, healthy environment. With 160 parking spaces and poor walkability, this development increases car reliance and undermines Mesa's climate and sustainability goals. It's not just about traffic. It's about creating a livable, breathable environment for our families and future generations. With over 800 new units already under construction nearby, we ask, why concentrate even more density in a neighborhood never designed to support it? We urge the city to honor its commitments and to listen to those of us living this reality every day. We're not against growth, but we are asking for balance. I'm hopeful the city and developer can compromise. At a minimum, we would ask for a reduction in the number of units and by closing Beverly at Second Street with an EMS accessible culde-sac to better protect our residents and especially our children. My own mom, my own mother, Arlus Reynolds, she was a first graduate at Westwood High School. Uh this is where she grew up. This is what she calls home. My wife graduated from Westwood. Um, this is where we call home. So, thank you for listening and I appreciate your time tonight. Thank you. Thank you, Madison. Evelyn. Following Evelyn will be Kyle uh Greenhall or Greenhoff. Um, mayor counselor. Thank you. Um, my name is Evelyn Herman. I live with my husband and two kids, aged 10 and five, on the corner of Second Street in Beverly. Um, our the corner of our backyard is just across the street from the northeast corner of the proposed development. Uh, we bought our home in 2020 and, uh, I'm from a small town, very, very small town. Um, and Mesa has elements that feel like home to our family. We really enjoyed becoming part of the neighborhood, part of the community, and we we really love our little special little pocket here in our what we consider our historic neighborhood. Um, my concerns for this are not so much um for development. I, you know, I believe in development. I believe in property rights and um you know the the right to uh affect progress in in the community, but my concerns center around the not the density of the homes per se, which I understood were to be for sale. Um that seems like it's to be addressed. um but more so the the cars and traffic as my kids get to the age where they are um exploring the neighborhood more on their own, walking to their friend's house. the the things that as we welcome this development, as we welcome new neighbors into our community, uh I'm just hoping that adequate time is going to be uh that we're going to look at things like speed bumps, crosswalks. There's been talk of traffic circles, um road closures, even uh additional easements. this this development exits onto Beverly, which is a small uh small street. So, um just making sure that that can support the the traffic. Um the other thing I'd like to address is the Beverly Park as we are welcoming new families. You know, I hope to have young families move in that my kids can play with. We're open to that. but that our park, Beverly Park, can be a place that not only um is enjoyable for my family, but that as people come to look at these homes, as I understood, for sale, you know, to put their roots down in our neighborhood as well and be our neighbors, that they would look at our park as, you know, a benefit to them and not something that they should be afraid of, you know, that they don't want to be next to um the the things that do go on there. I understand that the lighting from this development is going to bring some positives and I I see the positive and negatives of this, but I I appreciate your time and consideration and we we trust in the process that you guys are considering all these things and and that you want the best for our our neighborhood. Thank you so much. Thank you, Evelyn. Kyle, after Kyle, we'll hear from the applicant. Uh, good evening. My name is Kyle Greenhall. I live at 101 North Beverly. Outside of the current uh, rentals, renters of the properties, I think I'm the closest living person here that is uh, that lives next to the affected um, property here at the loss. Um, I I bought my house about 15 years ago, and I, as far as I know, I'm probably the only uh owner of any property um that lives in their house south of Second Street. Um, Jeremy was correct to say that it is a little bit different neighborhood south of Second Street where I live, next to the park. I was even uh well, I won't go into that. Um, I was born and raised in Mesa. Um, I love Mesa. Um, I I graduated not from Mesa schools, but I sending my children to Mesa schools, and I'm looking forward to the education they'll receive. I spent the uh last five or 10 years of my dear friend Jana Rowley's life caring for her pigeons that she kept in those pigeon coops. and my kids um had tons of fun in her backyard. I love that property. Um I love that it's was a fun, adventurous place uh for my kids to go uh with and without permission um and explore. I think our children need more of that kind of um opportunity to roam and and not necessarily um be caged. Um, I love my neighbors. Um, believe it or not, I am currently serving as bishop of a bishop of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which many of our members live in this neighborhood. And I know that I've offended many of them with my stance and desire to uh invite and encourage uh more people that want to live in Mesa to have the opportunity to do so. I put my trust uh in the pluralist society that we live in that we can come together to find solutions to the challenges that we're facing. Um personally, I have paid for two traffic studies and even volunteered to pay for speed humps to be installed on my street because as one person that lives on the more crowded part of Beverly, I am well aware of the speeders. I wish I could say the speeders in my neighborhood only did not live in my neighborhood, but unfortunately I can't say that. Um, again, I I hope for further conversations and I hope for the opportunity where we can come together to both uh preserve the good things of this neighborhood, but also allow for more people who are looking for good, safe, wonderful places to live to have the opportunity to live here as well. Thank you. Thank you, Kyle. [Applause] uh applicant if you'll come forward and then after that we'll have here from planning either Mary or Evan uh summarize everything we've heard. Uh thank you members of council. Is this loaded up? Yes. Uh, mayor, members of council, thank you very much for uh allowing me to present this project. Um, the lofts at 121 North Beverly and um though they're behind me, I'd like to thank all of the members of the neighborhood came out to the three meetings that we had and the many emails we exchanged and everything like that. Um, since I'm also from this neighborhood, um, though slightly to the north, um, I I feel like the neighborhood process and including the neighbors is an essential component to that and, uh, I always welcome, uh, welcome those conversations. Um, I'm also a graduate of Westwood High School. Um, I'm also I live about a third of a mile from this development. Um, I was also friends with Mrs. Rolley uh, and, uh, Jerry Rolley. Uh, spent a lot of time in their property. I was the home teacher of the Ries with my grandfather for a period of time. And um also Elena, who's the house to the north, um I've feasted on her blackberries for the last 10 years. So um I'm a big fan of this neighborhood as well. Um I told the story in the previous meeting, but I want to bring it back up. When my grandfather, he had been uh an active member of his community. He was the city attorney for many years in the city of Mesa from about 1950 to 1980. um as he aged he they needed to find a place to to move into and there was nothing in the neighborhood. We don't have a generational neighborhood and so the place that he and my grandmother chose to move was over by the cornfields and suddenly they were displaced from their neighborhood. They their close neighbors were were gone. We we of our family who lived down the street couldn't walk over and visit them anymore. Um they had no place to retire in the neighborhood. So they went elsewhere and um were then unknown. The the years of service, the things that they had done were no longer a part of their identity in this new neighborhood. Um when I was uh attending meetings uh when I first came back to Mesa, um I joined a group and they were um they were uh against all development. And as I came to understand um neighborhoods and neighborhood meetings um and what neighborhoods need to grow um uh I understood well we need to have good developments developments in neighborhoods and older neighborhoods need density in order to progress. Um quick question am I allowed to do a full presentation or do I only have the three minutes? Good question. We'll give you a couple extra minutes. Okay, then I'll go through How long is your presentation? Um how many slides? probably 5 to 8 minutes. Okay, go ahead. Okay. Um, you see here a rendering of the images. The location I think is well known to all of you. These are the properties right here. Um, one thing that we considered is I've done many many developments like this. We considered as we were discussing the density. We said, well, we're close to the light rail which asks for an additional amount of density, but we're also right next to a neighborhood, so we don't want too much density. We don't want 90 units. And we're also next to a park. And so anytime you do a development and it's next to a large amenity, um you can consider that amenity as part of the if people are looking for a place to stay, they don't need to stick on their property in a dog park or in a pool. They can use the park next door. We have other projects that we've done next to canals and we consider the canals to also be an amenity for them. And so as we designed the entire project, we considered Beverly Park to be part of the amenity. Um, some of the some of the neighbors here have talked about the relationship between uh Beverly Park and the neighborhood. Uh, Beverly Park currently has I don't think it's well lit at night. There's high crime. I think uh, Council Member uh, Duff discussed that the crime rate is coming down, but there's still a lot of nervousness about it. As I approached this project and said, "What would I want in my neighborhood?" One of the one of the common ideas in uh, urban design and urban planning is to have eyes on the street. Um, and so you want to have people that are looking out over problematic areas to call if anything untoward happens. And so we put our threetory apartment, our three-story units right along the park right there for that purpose. And you can see how they relate to the the park in this slide. Um, a little bit about the architecture design. I know that the design review board saw this. They thought the architecture was fine. The planning zoning board saw this as well. So we're not requiring the council members be experts on architecture. Um, but the architecture was modeled after the racing pigeon lofts that Jerry Rolley had. I believe there are three or four on the property. So, technically there more there's more of this architecture on the property than there is on the house in front. Um, racing pigeons is a a kind of a quirky interesting um field, but as you can see, the it's growing in interest and racing pigeons are now commanding uh sums almost $2 million. So things that were small and quirky in old times could become new and interesting as new generations move forward. A few more views. This would be the view over the pool looking into the park area from the units that are next to the pool. View from the park of the units the units looking over the park. And then another view of this is the private amenity space of this area. And we haven't asked for any reduction in the required amount of private amenity space in uh in this project. We've just considered we would we could consider additional density because we have the park next to us. This is this is the layout of the project and this is the landscape architecture for it. As you'll see, there's a large row of trees going across the top right here. That's to protect the views from the units to the neighbors and from the neighbors to the views. And um that's to um allow us to have a big separation um between those two those yards where the single family homes are in the back. You see we we put the trees in. The goal is to keep the windows from being able to see in the yards like so. So this would be if you were in the backyards of those neighborhoods, you would have these trees that would keep you from being able to see. This is a site study that we did showing where the units are, the units being 30 feet away on the east side of the property and almost uh 39 ft away on the west side of the property. And these are the houses. And so you would have these trees that are planted in there to block any views, any additional views between them. Um some suggestions have been, well, why don't you do single family homes in here? Single family homes are allowed to have a 5-ft setback along the street. And so a single family home, a two-story single family home would be looking quite a bit uh farther into the yard and be quite a bit closer. And that's one of the reasons that I've come to favor these town home style developments. This is what the units look like. They have each unit has a two-car garage. Each unit you walk in, there's a kitchen, dining, and living space. The units, there are two different types. This is the two-story type. We put the two stories types closer to the neighborhood again to keep the views to a minimum. You go upstairs to a flex space, a large master suite, the walk-in shower and tub, master suite, and then two large bedrooms up top. These are the three-story units, the one that are right along the park. Also, they all each one of them has a two-car garage, a large kitchen, dining living space, master suite, and then two bedrooms on the top. This is one we've recently finished over on University. You can see the quality that we're going for. Again, we're always trying to design design these things to work like small houses or not even small houses. Many of these projects are 14-600 square feet and we design them with the amenities, the top amenities so that they will be desirable for purchase. Um the the garages um we choose to use garages when we do our projects because we want them to feel like houses. And this is the Allen. You can see how the the garage doors are used. the garages are used there. Um there's often some concerns that people will fill their garages with stuff and not be able to park their cars there. That has not been our experience in in these. We compare these to the parking garages that are common in the most uh like Optima, the most fancy uh uh condos in the valley. And if you think about the experience of coming home, pulling into a parking garage, walking to an elevator, carrying your groceries to the top, then going to your room, we feel that ours are vastly uh better way of getting in and out of your house by taking the drive aisle to your garage and then walking right into your kitchen. The main concerns that we've heard as we've met with uh the neighbors are the density, but density is not a bad thing in and of itself. It's the effects of density. property values is a concern. Crime, traffic and parking. This is the Allen. You can see the um the density of the Allen. Um this is uh the other one uh 2436 West University. You can see that both of these projects are along the canal. We considered the canal to be part of the amenity space, though both of them have small amenity spaces on their own. Um that's in comparison to ours. This is a project just around the corner, uh Metron Main. You can see that the uh the property values are still high. These are I think 10 or older, 10 years or more. They're still selling the $450,000. This was our model for this project because it's just around the corner on Main Street across from the fries right there. You also see from this that the property values of the houses nearby aren't negatively affected by these uh these uh town homes that come in. Um this is just a larger image. This is that same group of units right down here. And this is the Allen right here. And you can see that property values don't diminish near that as well. Another project on the patio homes where the property values don't diminish. Um there's a concern about crime. The this is the crime statistics in the area around the Allen which we've been able to study for many years. This is prior to it being built. And as I cycle through these, you'll see that there's not uh a significant increase in crime from before or after it's built. This is the year it was built, 2018. And you'll see the crime rate doesn't move significantly. It goes down in some areas. It goes down. So, we have not seen a noticeable increase in crime. Uh traffic, there will be an increase in traffic and that's why we had a traffic study done. Um when you summarize what the traffic study says, they say it generates a total of 446 daily trips, which is entering and exiting. And the peak hours with the most cars will have 28 trips in the AM peak hour and 35 trips during the PM peak hour. So 35 trips in the PM peak hour is about uh one car every two minutes of increased traffic in that neighborhood. You can see the effect. It's going to add 111 this way, 70 179 this way, and then smaller numbers over here. And then when you add it to the existing traffic, 507 368, you get 618 total, 547 total, and these other numbers further down there. Um the traffic study did consider uh traffic calming measures and I know that's a concern of the of the neighborhood and um we've encouraged them to continue to pursue traffic calming ne measures. Um there was a study done uh prior that did not say it even warranted the speed cushions. So that's still to be done. So um our research and other research has shown that the property values has no effect. The crime there's no effect. The traffic will increase by about one car every two minutes. The parking we have the um every space every unit has two parking spaces. And there are um there's seven required per code. We've provided 18. And this is near the mesa. This near the light rail where you can ask for a reduction. Since these are supposed to work like houses, we didn't ask for a reduction. Um just a couple responses to questions. Um the project is always intended to be for sale in response to Mr. Wood's question. Um it was planned from day one as Mr. Rolley said. Um there are different ways that you can make a project for sale. You can take it through as a as a potentially rental project. You can subdivide it afterward. You can condoise it. There are many methods to do it. Um as we looked back through the city, there are many condos built in the 70s or many apartments built in the 70s that became condos in the 2000s. That's not a big process if you've designed it intending to make it for sale, which was the the design that we did. Um, I agree with Miss Spy on the culde-sacs. I think many of the older neighborhoods in Mesa could use less entrances to them just so that there's less thorough affairs. We have one right around our our street because we have the other side of Beverly. People coming and bringing their their kids to school. Traffic is really heavy during those times. Um, uh, for Mr. Ziggler, I'm sorry if there was a misunderstanding. Um, I don't believe I said that council had already decided. I said we were talking to council and working with them on that. So, I'm sorry if there was a misunderstanding. Um and uh those are my uh that's my presentation. I'd be happy to take any questions from council. Council, any questions for the applicant or would you like to hear from staff? Mayor, I'd like to just make one comment. I noticed on your site plan it was the old one and not the one with the reduction of units. Oh, did we have something outdated? Yeah, that's right. I'm sorry. That is not correct. The the aerial has a better view of since we're on your presentation. If we can go back to the relationship to Beverly Park, that image a little further back. Oh, right there. Right. Stop. This is the accurate plan. Yeah. If you um council, if you notice the houses to the left side, to the west side, those are town homes. So, town homes do exist in um this neighborhood currently. Apartments are on the west side of this development. Mobile Home Park is to the south. So, I just want to make those references. Thanks. Yeah. Thank you. Oh, and there's town homes more on um behind Westwood. You mean to the east? That would be to the east. There's town homes on the east side. There's town homes on the west side and there's a mobile home park on the south side. Mr. Adams, you had a question. If we're going to hear from staff, which I assume we are, I I may have some questions for Mr. boil, but I'd rather hear from staff before we get into that. Is that our plan? Yes, it is. Okay. Thank you. I'll I'll reserve my questions then. Thank you, Tim. Thank you, Mayor. Mr. Balmer or Mary. Uh, thank you, Mayor Freeman and Council. I'll start and then Evan will join me up on the podium and well, I'll sit here and he'll come to the podium and we'll be able to uh tag team with any of the questions that you have. Um, I do want to clarify the ownership. Right now we do not have an application in for ownership. Um it is for a multif family residential project as we talked about in the uh meeting on Thursday. They would have to come back at a later date to modify the ped that is being requested today for the reasonzoning and we'd have to work through the utilities and some of the retention concerns. So the project before city council today is a four rampant project. Um, I also wanted to talk about the density. As as was indicated, the applicant did did lose the two units based on the meeting with the city council back in February. They did reduce it by those two units to be able to break up the massing, which I think was a major concern to the council at that meeting. So, there they have reduced it. They're at 21 units per acre, which is probably a medium density type of of development, not necessarily a high density project. um with the traffic and the culde-sac on Beverly. Um they did do the traffic study and I know Eric Gdderian is here if you have questions about culde-sacing Beverly. So he'll be able to answer any questions that you might have on that. We did also work with the applicant on the overall design of the project to maybe simplify it a little without him losing the integrity of what he was trying to uh portray as it related to the to the pigeon coops. So they did uh simplify and modify some of the design of the site. And then as it relates to the schools, we that was I think the last comment that we heard. We haven't we have not received any concerns from the schools related to this project, but we will follow up with them tomorrow. Okay. Very good. Council, any questions for staff? Yes. I would like to have Eric come forward and talk about the possibilities of a culde-sac. Has been brought forward to me multiple times and so I would just like to get some insight. Thank you. Good evening, Mayor Council. Uh my name is Eric Gadarian. I'm the interim transportation director. Um I think so. Um Mary brought this this concept to us uh this morning. And as we talk about culde-sacs, typically culde-sacs in Mesa are much shorter than this. When we talk about culde-sacing from Main Street, um we'd have to make it all the way almost up to Second Street. For a culde-sac, that's a little it's almost a quarter mile, about 1300 feet. Um city code for the the longest culde-sac that we should have is 400 feet. A lot of that has to do with He's too tall. Sorry. I'll uh I'll talk into the So, um city code uh says that we should have or our maximum cold and sack length should be 400 ft. This culde-sac length would be 1300 ft. A lot of that is for um emergency service and making sure that emergency services can can get to wherever they need to go. Um, in addition, if we do deadend a street, we have to make it a culde-sac and we have to be able to provide a turnaround in public rightway for traffic I if they get stuck that they have to turn around and be able to do that safely. Uh, we would need additional rightway on the street to to to do that. Um, and so I think in in theory it sounds like a a a good idea, but it is it's going to be very difficult in in in this neighborhood to be able to retrofit a street with with a culde-sac. Um, even if we allow emergency access from a gate on the north side. Okay. I have a question here, Miss Spillsberry. Can you um address the theory that a um more crowded street with more traffic actually slows traffic down and makes it safer? That we've heard that. Is that true? I would say in in theory, yes. Um especially when we have this these are 32 foot wide streets. if we have more parking, we have more traffic on them, um it it it's more congested and and you're you're going to have to slow down. Um I think my staff I I will concur, we've we've been out there quite a few times uh to take, you know, traffic studies to see if they uh the street meets our warrants for for speed humps and it and it hasn't yet. The speeds haven't been uh high enough. Um the the volumes are there, but but there's there's available I I I think by adding this there's going to be more congestion on the street. Hopefully, uh traffic will slow down. And it looked like in that traffic study that speed humps weren't warranted, but if the neighborhood wanted them, they would go through the normal process then to get a petition or whatever, right? Is that how that works? Correct. They they they've gone through the process to have the studies done. Um, and up until this time they they haven't met met those that criteria. And as far as traffic concerns go, those would be the same for whether it's a rental or ownership property. Correct. I'm the the traffic generated, whether it's ownership or rental. We we really look at the unit type. That's not going to change whether whether it's owned or or a rental. Okay. Thank you, Miss Goforth. Um, so you said the the speed humps aren't warranted because of the speeds or the volume. The the traffic speeds when we've been out there and um the consultant um that that the developer hired this fall took additional speed counts. They're they're essentially the same as what we took in 2022. The speeds were not high enough to qualify for for speed humps and speed cushions. Okay. And then the capacity of the road is what as it sits right now, how how what is the capacity for trips? So I I think we don't look at neighborhood streets as capacity. We want to fill them up, right? And so there's about 500 vehicles a day on Beverly. Um this this development will add another 400 to 500 um trips on Beverly go. And so that's a trip is either coming in or going out. So um when you make a trip that counts, you know, when you're going from your house and then back, that's two trips. Um so we're right around the thousand mark. Uh a thousand trips a day on a residential street is still something we find very, you know, it's normal. Um, I know it's it's busier than what it's been in the past, but it's not something we're concerned about that all of a sudden there there's too many vehicles in the neighborhood. And when we say Beverly, are you saying from Second Street to Maine from or all the way to University? So I specifically when I say that 500 number that that's the section of Beverly between Second Street and Maine. Okay. So it's nearly doubling it. Correct. But Eric, did you say the normal traffic on a residential street is about how many and just like an average street? I we don't have it. It really I mean it depends on the the neighborhood and how long the street is, how many houses are are accessing it. But um you know a neighborhood street with a thousand vehicles a day is not something that um we are you know not accustomed to seeing in Mesa. Thank you, Mr. Adams. Eric, I'm not sure if this is the the broad question is entirely for you or perhaps the planning director, but I'll go ahead and ask it and you can take it from there. If this development, hypothetically, if this were somewhere else, uh, say up, uh, north of Mckelps, would you expect the same amount of vehicular traffic from it there as you do here? Would that be a reasonable assumption, Mayor? Council member Adams, I it's a reasonable reasonable assumption. I you know, while this is close to transit, we haven't taken any sort of transit or sorry, the consultant that did the traffic study didn't take any sort of reduction in trips um because it's close to transit. The numbers that we use as a profession are averages across multiple similar type housing products across the nation. Um and so we haven't there there the numbers here haven't taken any sort of reduction because of the proximity to the light rail and and to bus. Thank you. I think you anticipated the the direction of my question. So then then further I I'm confused here. This has been presented several times as a transit oriented development or appropriate to be located next to the light rail. My question then is why so many vehicular trips if it's to appeal to the light rails transportation mode and why over 120 spaces to park cars if it's supposed to be transit oriented development. I don't I that doesn't connect in my mind. I mayor, council member Adams, I think that when we look at transit oriented development and we're really looking at those areas where where cars are limited directly adjacent to the um light rail that that is where you'll see less parking, less cars. I think we're still uh up Beverly a little bit. So people who live in this area, they will have a two-car garage so that they have that option of either using those cars or going down to use the light rail transit. So it is in a transit area um but it is not necessarily adjacent to that that light rail station, but it is accessible to them by walking down Beverly. How much closer would it have to be? So typically a transit oriented oriented development is done around the specific stop and there's maybe a a circle of u maybe an eighth to a quarter of a mile around that circle that you really look at that's where you're capturing the people who are going to walk there. And how and how far is this quarter mile? Not not quite. I think it's probably a little bit more than a quarter of a mile to the stop. Two blocks. Okay. I I I can't make that connection in my mind, but but thank you. Appreciate it. Any more questions for Eric? Thank you, Eric. So, council, um I made a suggestion here earlier as we started through. I'm sorry, Miss Spy. You've had your turn, please. It's our turn. Thank you. Um, I would still like to offer a continuation on this and not proposing a specific return date to allow the applicant, the neighbors, and staff to work on this because I I'm getting some conflicting information. The applicant says it's a for sale product, yet staff is saying it is a for rent product. There's two different processes there. So I think in all fairness to everyone that we should do a continuence to allow this to work out to everyone involved and I know it's a difficult decision and I know some want to move forward with it but I don't think we have any time constraints here. I think we can let it work out to it best of ability and come back in the future and whatever future. It could be 30 days, it could be shorter. But with that said, uh, council, if if it's okay, I'll ask for a motion for continuence uh, for staff to work with the applicant and I I am opposed to that motion. And okay, I would like to say a couple things before we vote whether to go forward on that is first of all for sale or for rent. We have not used that as a criteria for any zoning case since I've been on council and even before I was on planning and zoning before. So now we're going for you know um nine years. It has never been part of our purview to approve or not approve according to if it is for rent or for sale. The fair housing law doesn't allow the city to discriminate based on rental versus owner in our housing. So why should we in our development? I do not think that is the criteria to extend this. And there is a rush because there the developer, the landholder is incurring payments every month that we delay on this. The longer you stretch it out, the more expensive it becomes and the less likely they can they can make the project pencil. Thus, if they do make a pencil, now those costs are being added into the price of housing. So, as a criteria for sale or for rent, take it off the table. And I have many other comments as far as the development. I think we've heard as from as many people opposed to the development as we have for the development. I can't say that in my experience or here tonight that is overwhelmingly against. So I am opposed to the motion. Thank you, Mr. Adams. How do I how do I turn the mic down at the bottom? Oh. Oh, there we go. Um, just a couple comments that I'd like to to make since uh it seems that I may have been the council member at the earlier study session who may have broached this issue of for sale or rent, but that was that was only because I was contacted by a couple of individuals who told me specifically that it was for sale. I didn't seek that information out. It was presented to me. So, but I'd like to point out that we have this thing called a balanced housing plan. And it has five criteria. Let's call them five pillars. And one of them, number five, says, "Explore opportunities to encourage home ownership." It's right here. And unless I'm mistaken, Mr. Smith, is this still uh in force and effect this balanced housing plan? It is. Um, if you want me to give some context also on sort of the the ability for zoning to to require ownership versus rental, I can also answer that question. What do you want? Um, that wouldn't be my question. Another council member may have that question. But I simply refer to the balanced housing plan as making one of its five pillars, that statement, and that obviously is there for a reason. Um, mayor, I'd like to make a motion to continue as you've suggested. Thank you. Can we still make comments if the motion's been made? Yeah. Okay. Until um I just would um I would support the continuence if I felt like the neighborhood was willing to come together to work on this. And I don't know if people could nod their heads or if they're like, "No, we don't want to work on this." I don't know cuz I don't I I don't want to say, "Yeah, let's continue it." and then just have the neighborhood still not willing to budge on anything. And so I I would like I would like to see some willingness in the neighborhood to work with the um developer and then I would feel better about continuing it. You'd like them to work with us. Um, exact both sides working together, not just the neighbors um compromising, but also the developer seeing where they can also make some um I I don't like the word compromise, but you know, just make some um concessions to come up with a better project would be what I would like to see. So, Mr. Smith, you're going to give us some guidance on the zoning cases that you're referring to. Yeah, mayor and council, just for context on ownership versus rental, um zoning cases aren't a vehicle for um requiring either ownership or rental. Um and we wouldn't be able to enforce those. And let me just give it you sort of practically. Um they could plat this property and it could look like it's going to be uh for sale and maybe it even is for sale and ultimately get sold, but then ultimately the buyer could be either one uh purchaser or multiple purchasers that ultimately rent out all the property. So it ends up being all rental property. We don't enforce ultimately um ownership um and especially if it's um ownership um um and residing with the owner. Um but with that said, the context as we discussed in the last study session was that the developer came forward and said that this was going to be for for ownership. Um and then staff pointed out that that would require some additional steps. And so I think it's it's fair to say that if if they're going to present it as ownership well then through a continuence they could go through th those additional steps at this point to to at least create the potential for ownership. In other words, we're not requiring ownership. We're saying you're saying it's going to be ownership. As staff has pointed out, there's some other steps to even make it possible for ownership. And so why don't we go through those steps? ultimately they might not sell or they might sell to us one person that ultimately does u rent out all the property. So we're not requiring ownership versus rental. We're facilitating the potential of ownership that the developer has indicated that they that they want. Um and whether I'll also point this out whether or not it's rental or ownership all the concerns that the neighbors have said apply equally to the extent that they apply and are valid. I'm not trying to say that. I'm not trying to take position on this, but uh density um uh line of sight concerns, traffic, all those concerns are the same uh whether or not it's rental or ownership. So, those those points are equally valid either way. And the last point I'll make, and it's a question that council member Goforth asked me at the end of the study session last time, is this is a legislative act. You have full discretion to approve or deny this case. And so ultimately it's within your your discretion to and there's been many reasons um stated to approve or to deny this case. And so there there's adequate grounds for for for approval or denial. Thank you councel. Thank you. So we have a motion by Mr. Adams. If there is a second we can vote. I'll second. Thank you, Vice Mayor. Thank you. Um, we'll go ahead and vote for continuance. Motion passes for continuance and we'll hear from the applicant and others later. Thank you very much. Who voted for me? He's Vice Mayor. How do you vote? Yes. I vote I. Okay. Thank you. Um before we move forward, I want to recognize Senator David Farnsworth is here. Senator, are you still here? You're a real champion. Thanks for hanging out with us. late in the evening. Uh, next we're going to hear from some citizens uh from citizens uh our speaker comment card. I'm going to have all nine of you speak. Typically, we don't do that. Typically, we just have the first three and and we've had more than three tonight. So, bear with us. Our first will be Lawrence Newton. Lawrence, if you'll come forward if you're still here and speak. And following Lawrence will be Allison Burton. You want to speak in the phone, sir? Pull it pull it closer to you, maybe. Yeah, it should come forward. My name is Lawrence Newton and I live at 7632 East Sienna Mareno Street in Los Angeles. And the reason I'm here is that um I've lived there for over 5 years now and the traffic that we have had in Los Angeles has grown from the way it was supposed to be. Uh there are 3400 plus homes in the area. Excuse me, sir. Those in the back, if you want to step out through the doors to speak, that'd be great. Well, then we need to shut the doors. Officers, if you could make sure the doors shut, too. All right, we we're going to let you start over. Okay, so you have three minutes. Thank you. Um there have been so many uh things that have happened in Los Angeles through that time. It's an area where you have a lot of seniors, a lot of families with kids, and the big issue is that they have pedestrians in the area have no crosswalks within a 9mm area of roads. And I I say that because there is one area that I helped Joe Draper at the time who takes care of these areas for the the the walks and the stop signs. And they finally gave the only intersection in there a four-way stop along with crosswalks. And it made me happy. It's doing its its thing. It's not 100% but it most people are adhering to that. And all the other roads on the interior have none. No crosswalks whatsoever. No stop signs to make pedestrians safe. I I've walked a lot. I've walked walked every inch of Losus and the the people that I talk to and run in I I love Los Sendas. It's a great area. Uh but they're scared a lot of times about even just crossing the street. I've seen kids stuck in the middle of the medians that are in Los Angeles and and people just standing there not knowing if it's busy or whatever to cross. I mean, so that's what is making this so dangerous. Um, speed limit signs, you can take them down. And I I I know council member Groth is understands what I'm talking about. Um you have another 30 seconds. Sorry to put I extend it just a little bit because this is really important. Um sure. Thank you very much. Um the school has two crosswalks in front of it. They have a crosswalk down at the end of one of the roads just and then they have, you know, uh people for when they're in and out of school, but no other crosswalks in a three-way area that people have to cross. And the other areas have zero. And I've looked at it and I've talked to Joe and he says they've been analyzing this for since I've started talking to him five years ago. Um, and what angers me, I've been in two incidents myself where cars were speeding so fast I had to worry about my dog that was with me and kind of going in. and I have a a bad leg and I crashed into the high side of the curb and ended up falling into it and breaking three ribs. And just recently, back in November, the the four-way stop that we have, I was walking my dog back and I was in the middle of the of the crosswalk and the vehicle, construction vehicle, or I should say contractor vehicle, which we get a lot of them in there and they don't adhere to any of the laws. was almost hit me. If I hadn't stopped, both myself and my dog probably would have been dead because he was going. I'd probably say at least 45 to 50. And I've learned to to to listen to the cars and stuff to see how fast they're going. You can hear them when you're on the roads that the difference in the speeds. Um, so what I'd like to see is because we're talking about paint and stop signs here, not a great deal of money. And what what's angered me even more lately is the fact that the gentleman that just got killed, an 81y old guy trying to cross the road because there is no crosswalks, no stop signs. I went down because I live in the area. Could I give you a map of what I'm talking about? You can hands to the clerk here. Okay. I've got five of them for you. Make it a little easier. This will make it a little easier for you. Lawrence, can you take about 30 more seconds, please? We have some more to speak. Well, let's let's put it this way. When you look at the map, there's several different couple different ways you can come into Los Sendus. But I live on the second red circle going up from the bottom of the page where Mountain Ridge and uh Ridgerest comes in. This is where the gentleman was trying to cross before. Um, so I walked down to see it and by some chance I ran into his wife and his son down there placing flowers there. And I felt so bad that her husband was killed that my remorse was just so much for her and my love for her was so much. And this is what I've been trying to prevent. I know from what I've heard there had been more deaths before then, but I don't know that for sure. But it makes me angry that in such a beautiful place that we have, we can't have safety for the pedestrians. And I don't understand why because it's so simple and very costeffective to do what I'm talking about. And all those circles that you have here, those are the areas that need it the most right now. Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. Thank you. Uh Allison. Thank you, Mayor Freeman and city council members for the opportunity to address you today. My name is Allison Burton and I live in District 6. Tonight, I am here representing a group who values diversity and inclusion. But first, I would like to share some of my personal experiences. I've lived in the East Valley since I was eight, and I've been raising my kids in Mesa since 2011. I've spent the last 12 years working with special needs children in schools. In the classrooms I work in, some kids can talk, some rely on electronic devices. Some use wheelchairs or walkers, some have autism or down syndrome. There are times when I brought my own children to school so that they could become comfortable interacting with kids who have different abilities. Because if you're not exposed to people who are different, they can seem intimidating or scary. Although my students are young now, they will become adults in our community someday. I have a sister who is significantly visually impaired. She navigates by memorizing the layout of buildings and relies on her guide dog. She also happens to have her master's degree and is a teacher in Mesa. She could justifiably stay home and receive government assistance, but because of workplace accommodations is able to hold a teaching position. It would probably be easier to hire a cited employee, but I am infinitely grateful for the opportunity she has to be employed and be supported at her workplace. In special education, I work with families very much like my own. And I've also worked with families from a variety of backgrounds, including those coming from Mexico, Indian, India, and Afghanistan. I've worked with divorced co-parents, same-sex couples, foster parents, very young parents, and deaf families, among others. Before I started working outside of the home, I thought my way was the best way, my religion, my traditions. My circle of friends were also very similar to me. It wasn't until I was exposed to such a variety of cultures, religions, and traditions that I realized they were all wonderful in their own way. I came to understand that there's always something to learn and respect from those who are different from me. Even though people may practice their values in different ways, I've learned that we all share the same core values. We all want our family members to feel loved. We all want our family members to give and receive respect and to be treated with fairness. We all want them to feel safe wherever they go. Tonight, I am the spokesperson for a group that is here to support a diverse and welcoming community. The people here represent all political parties, differing religions, and various cultures. They have loved ones who are veterans, who have disabilities, who are LGBTQ plus, who are autistic. Look around this room. Together, we are Mesa. If you are proud to be a resident of the city of Mesa and would like to join me in thanking Mayor Freeman and the city council, please stand if you are able or raise your hand. Thank you. Please continue to stand if you would like to encourage our elected leaders to continue to foster a welcoming and inclusive city for all. Thank you, Mayor um Freeman and city council members for bringing us together and building a community we can all be proud of. Thank you, Allison. Thank you for your advoc advocacy. Next, we'll hear from Landon Phillips. Landon following him is Monica Phillips. Your name and address. Three minutes. Landon Phillips. I live in Dobson Glenn in District 3. Uh good evening, Mayor Freeman and council. I'm so glad to be here. I've never attended a council meeting, so this has all been very new and exciting and terrifying, so I really appreciate uh you hearing me out. Join the crowd. Uh I've lived in Mesa since 2018. First in East Mark and now as a homeowner in Dobson Ranch. And as a new homeowner, it was really important to me to find a home in Mesa. Uh I've had great experience after great experience in the city. I'm enjoying becoming more involved in our community. Um taking a big leap in that tonight, but I've really been enjoying uh growing with the community. And despite initially planning to stay in Arizona for only a few years, I love being a Mesa resident. I want to stay and I want to spend my time here giving back to this city and this community uh because it's provided me with so many opportunities for education, work, housing and friendships. In my time living in Arizona, I've been able to work in recreational sports, including working to bring hockey and figure skating opportunities to Mesa. I've worked for the Arizona Coyotes, the floral industry, the nonprofit and advocacy sphere, a little bit of everything. Uh, I love music, art, film, writing, spending time with my family who also live in and love Mesa. And I say all that just to say that I am your average run-of-the-mill Mesa resident. And I just so happen to be transgender. My experience has been like most of yours. It's true that some things have been different for me because of the way I'm seen and treated by people who haven't gotten to know me yet. Um, and having lived my life under society's expectations for both men and women, I have been able to see uh life just through a unique lens. These small differences can be challenging at times, but they've also made me a more compassionate neighbor, a more thoughtful leader, a harder worker, and a stronger person. My differences make me an asset to this community, not a hindrance, or a danger. I'm proud to be a Mesa resident, and I'm so grateful for the non-discrimination protections that have allowed me to live my life just as normally as everyone else. That kind of safety and confidence is not a privilege that every trans person has. I imagine that the wide array of experiences, needs, and ideas in our community can make your jobs very difficult, but it is also what makes Mesa strong. Thank you for the work you do to make sure that all of us, no matter our differences, uh can live in peace. I encourage you to safeguard those protections so that Mesa can continue to thrive as a united community. It's a scary time for me right now and many others. I don't want to be reduced to a generalized ideology, a political tool, or a sacrificial lamb for a movement that seeks to divide our community. I just want to live my life and give back where I can. Uh, I have your backs, and I hope that you will continue to have mine. Thank you. Thank you Landon. Following Monica, we'll hear from Carrie Davis. That's my kid. Good evening, Mayor Freeman and city council members. Thank you for having me here again tonight. My name is Monica Phillips and I live I've lived in Mesa District 6 for seven years. And if it means anything to anybody here, I'm also a registered Republican. I gave a public comment at the last meeting and during that comment I thanked council member Julie Spillsbury for her incredible service in our community. I'm returning this evening to address what is happening to Council Member Spillsbury in a more direct manner because I think many even in this room don't really understand what is really truly going on. First of all, I want to thank all of you for your service on the city council. I know this is not an easy time to be an elected official. I'm sure you are as concerned as I am that your colleague, Councilwoman Julie Spillsbury, is being targeted by Turning Point USA, an organization that is not a part of our Mesa community. In fact, their funding for the campaign targeting Julie Spillsbury, uh, comes 100% from outside our community, as they disclose clearly on their flyers. Their intent is to scare elected leaders like you into compliance with with their political agenda. They have no interest in representing your constituents. They are trying to intimidate the elected leaders and residents of Mesa. And they hope that if they successfully challenge Councilwoman Spillsbury, that they will be able to do this to other council members in Mesa and elsewhere. This attack on Council Member Spillsbury is not only bad for her and her district, it is bad for the city of Mesa and the state of Arizona. We cannot allow outsiders to decide who should and who should not be on our city council. And I'm afraid if that collectively we don't stand up to this both as elected officials officials and residents, we are setting a bad precedent. We cannot let this happen. I am here tonight as a Mesa resident, a Mesa voter, and is your constituent, Mayor Freeman, and Vice Mayor Summers. I am here tonight to ask you and the entire council to stand up to the bullying and intimidation campaign of Turning Point USA by joining Councilwoman Spillsberry's long list of public supporters. Residents of Mesa, get the word out. Send an email to council messaaz.gov. And residents of district 2, don't sign petitions and don't accept the money they are trying to buy your vote with. Yes, they are allowed to pay up to $6 for your vote. In fact, I'd like to just invite citizens who are in attendance tonight to please quietly stand if you can support this message of not allowing outside organizations to come in and make decisions that should be left to your constituents. And please remain standing if you can support Council Member Julie Spillsbury. Council member Spillsbury was recently reelected with an overwhelming support of her district's voters. I hope all will join me in not only supporting Councilwoman Spillsbury, but also in standing up for local control and the democratic process where Mesa voters elect our leaders, not outsiders. Thank you for your time. Thank you, Monica. [Applause] Following Mr. Davis, uh, Antwanet Andrew, hopefully that's right. Somewhat close. Mr. Good evening, mayor. My name is Carrie Davis. live at 7963 East Plata Avenue, Mesa. In May of 2023, the city put forward the following forecast for the upcoming fiscal year. Total sources, 605.2 million, total uses 628.2 million. In April of 2024, the city put forward the following forecast for the upcoming fiscal year of 2025-26. Total sources 628 million. Total uses 663.7 million. As of March 2025 this year, the city has put forward the following proposed budget for 2025 2026. Total sources 668 million. Total uses 721.7 million or an overspending by 53.7 million. My question for the city is why are you budgeting to overspend total sources by 53.7 million for the fiscal year 2526 instead of generating a surplus like you did last year. Our state legislature has put together a document and it's called the House Republicans majority plan. Included in their plan is the following statement. To reduce the size, scope, and cost of Arizona government, we will strive to eliminate waste, fraud, and abuse in government programs. Curb excessive spending and improve budgeting to combat inflation. Streamline government by cutting redundant positions and leveraging technology. Remove wasteful programs and diversity, equity, and inclusion mandates from government. Require a 60% supermajority of any government body to pass a tax increase. Require public universities to disclose foreign investments and ban harmful partnerships. I would encourage the mayor and the city council to take heed of what our state legislators have put forward to reduce the uh abuse of uh overspending. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Davis. Antwanette falding Antuinette is Dorene Taylor. Is this okay? Thank you. Okay. Is my time starting? Okay. Good evening, mayor and council members. My name is Antinette. I'm a mother and resident of Mesa. I'm here to address the city's non-discrimination ordinance. Last time I spoke more personably about why I feel it's in the best interest to repeal this ordinance. This evening, I'm coming with additional information. Firstly, I would like to address that because I am a Christian and I hold to values that are sacred to me that inform my decisions in life. This does not mean that I lack kindness or compassion. Okay. I I do uh respect others who believe differently than I do. And quite to the contrary, I understand that if you fail to be honest and truthful, that is not being kind but being destructive. To illustrate exactly what I mean, I will be referencing an event that took place in Deerfield, Illinois. You would think that your kids would be safe at school, not so with a similar ordinance that's in place. Plus, couple that with the teachers and the administrators who were dismissive of the concerns of multiple 13-year-old middle school girls. The incident, as stated in several news sources, forced these girls to change in the company of a boy who is identifying as a girl. The transchild had several options of more private changing areas. However, the teachers and administrators forced these 13-year-old girls after they had protested to change together. This is abuse and it's also sexual assault by the laws currently held in Illinois. I would also summize unlawful coercion. If an adult coerces or forces a minor into a situation where nudity or exposure occurs, it is a felony. Before we have a high-profile incident in the city of Mesa, I feel it is in the best interest of Mesa to repeal this ordinance or to at least close the door for future uncapp liability and litigation. At very minimum, please revise this ordinance to go back to the common sense protection of girls from biological males in bathrooms, locker rooms, and other private areas. And I also would like to make a correction to a previous speaker who said that Turning Point USA was funding this cause. That is a blatant lie. I know the person who filed the complaint and I've also walked with her many times. Okay. So, thank you for your time. Thank you. Uh, next Dorine. Following Dorine will be Liz McDonald. You're on. Thank you so much for seeing me, Mayor Freeman, and thank you, Councilwoman, and uh, Council Rich Adams. Um, and to Scott Summers, who I think is remote right now. Uh, I'm I'm kind of echoing what Antinette just said. Um, I'm really up here to basically ask you a few questions and hopefully you can answer them maybe after this. I'd be happy to meet outside, but I would really love to know what the qualifiers or parameters of a non-consent agenda item are. And the reason I asked that question is because I think that it is incumbent upon our city council and mayor Freeman, this is not directed at you, um, our prior mayor who decided in 2021 to revamp the fair housing ordinance and make it a non-discrimination ordinance without the consent of the local constituents for which they represent. It is an inappropriate movement on a city council to vote yes with their mayor on something that is so socially impactful. The re the repercussions of allowing people into private spaces because they identify as the opposite sex brings an enormous amount of liability on the city. There have been countless instances where males have identified as females and females have identified as males and they have entered in to the opposite sex of space and it has resulted in violence. It has resulted in rape. It has resulted in females being beaten nearly to death in public schools. I'm happy to bring you resources if you want them. And you just casually agree with this notion without having any of your constituents vote on this. So, as a result of that, I'm here to petition that we definitely repeal the non-discrimination ordinance and we move it back to what it was, which was fair housing. Because let me point out to you that in 1964, the federal government came up with something small called, you know, Title 7 Civil Rights Act, in which a business, a place of public administration, cannot discriminate against someone based on their race, their ethnicity, their sexual orientation, however they want toident identify themselves. You can't as a business just tell someone, "You can't work for me because you're gay." that doesn't work for me. But more so, I would like to challenge you to think philosophically. Why on earth as a business owner, as a public administrator, as a school principal, whatever you name it as, should I have any qualifiers towards someone based on their sexual orientation. It's not my business to have that conversation with them. So, this language is unnecessary. What I would say that this NDO is doing is making a future case for people to file civil complaints against those who have opposing views. Which means that it is not diverse, equitable, and inclusive. It is not kind. It is not loving your neighbor. It is actually quite the opposite. You are forcing through your local laws people who have a difference of view and opinion to now tolerate the views and opinions of only one subgroup. Darin, can you summarize, please? Oh, I'm sorry. So, I'm just asking you to please repeal. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you. All right. Uh, Liz, and then following Liz will be uh Michael Sto. Hello, mayor and city council members. My name is Liz McDonald. I live in District 1. Um, we I've lived here my whole adult life. Uh, my husband and I have raised five children here. All went to school and graduated. um my husband's law office. He's a managing partner just across the street. We're we're imshed in Mesa. We love it. Um in 2016, our oldest son came out as gay and um we have entered a beautiful world of learning uh about other people that are different than ourselves. And um we helped behind the scenes and in front of the scenes with the non-discrimination ordinance. And um it did get passed in 2021 and there has not been one civil case that has been brought because of it. Uh you might wonder, well, why would do we need it? Well, we need it because there are bad actors on occasion. It is a lovely thing for my gay son and for Landon to know that if something if there was a bad actor that they would have some recourse. Um, we appreciate Mesa's priorities being a welcome welcoming city, fair to its entire population, indiscriminate in its actions, and allowing for a sense of belonging for everyone in Mesa. And I want to add one last thing, and that is I'm grateful for all that you do. And um, and the non-discrimination ordinance has nothing to do with public schools. There was nothing in that. So, that is not a concern. and just wanted to point that out as well. Thank you again for your time. Thank you, Liz. Oh, Michael, you're up. Thank you. Thank you so much, Mr. Mayor, city council members. My name is Michael Sodto, and I'm the president and CEO of Equality Arizona. Um, I was born and raised in Mesa, and I promptly left at 18. Um, I'm a transgender man and I came out as soon as I left Mesa and was in a safer city uh where I felt I was not going to be discriminated against. Today and for over 25 years, it's been my job to advocate for LGBTQ people and our civil rights. And I'm proud to do that today. I had a different speech plan, but I want to respond a little bit to some of the concerns that people have brought up about the non-discrimination ordinance in Mesa. For one, you should know that over 300 cities and towns in the in this country in the United States of America have similar non-discrimination ordinances. But I think what makes the Mesa non-discrimination ordinance even better than those 300 cities and towns is that it go we go out of our way or went out of our way, you went out of your way in the city of Mesa to provide extra protections for privacy for all people in bathrooms, locker rooms, and those public private spaces. You also went out of your way to make sure that we balance the civil rights of all people and religious liberty protections as well as freedom of speech protections. And that's a really special thing. I think that says something really unique and beautiful about this incredible city of Mesa that makes me proud to call this my hometown because you balance the needs of everyone. I also just wanted to say that uh to speak a little bit to the issue of transgender people in bathrooms. I am a transgender person. I use public restrooms as all human beings have need to do. In fact, I used the men's room earlier today before this meeting here in this building. Um, the Williams Institute cites through studies and research of decades that transgender people are more than four times uh likely to be assaulted in a public restroom than any other type of person, including non-transgender people. Um, I also want to point out that there is has never been even one credible evidence of documented a documented case where a transgender person has assaulted a non-transgender person in a public restroom or locker facility. It's never happened. It's never been credibly documented. I know that I don't want to be using the women's room with any of the wonderful women on this city council or in this room. Um, I doubt the women want to be using the restroom with me. And that is what uh would be called for if transgender people were not allowed to use the appropriate bathrooms um for who we are. And so I want to say thank you for passing the non-discrimination ordinance. I want to say thank you for saying that Mesa is a place where everyone is valued. I know how much that means to me because it's not just a restroom in city hall. It's not just a restaurant, right, or a hotel. It's also emergency rooms. And I know what it's like to be left on the side of the road with first responders calling me names after I was hit by a car from riding my bike. That's a really scary thing. And no one deserves that. Everyone deserves to be treated like a human being, including trans people like me, including all LGBTQ people, including everyone, because that's the great promise of this nation, that everyone deserves life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, to put it short, equal, equality, and equal treatment under the law. Thank you for doing that. I appreciate your leadership and for doing right by my hometown. It makes me very proud. Thank you, Michael. [Applause] As noted, we we cannot respond to your comments, citizen present, but we also have an additional 20 people that have expressed their opinion on different various topics. So, we're going to put that with our clerk's office. With that, uh, thank you everyone for a nice late evening in Mace, Arizona. And I'll entertain a motion to adjurnn. Motion. Okay, Miss Spillsbury. Thank you, Miss Go forth. All in favor say I. I. Okay, motion carries. We're adjourned. Thank you everyone. [Music]