Good morning everyone and welcome to our February workshop. I want to thank everyone for being here and I know that we're all very excited to talk about all the great things happening in the city of Port St. Lucy over the next few days. So, we're going to start with our roll call. >> Councilwoman Morgan. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Councilman Picket. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Mayor Martin. >> Here, ma'am. Councilman Bana. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Vice Mayor Carbalo. >> Here, ma'am. Please stand for the pledge to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Do we have anyone that would like to speak at public to be heard? >> Seeing no one, I'll close public to be heard. Moving on to our first item. It says, "Hear an introduction from our city manager." >> Good morning, Jesus. Good morning, Madame Mayor, Vice Mayor, City Council, staff, residents, um, Jesus Marjo, city manager. I just wanted um really begin the day by really just um thanking really staff for really putting such an amazing um presentation that they've worked very hard and um it's um it's another year of a lot of the city really getting a lot done. But I'm going to start with a just short presentation really so we can get a really grasp of what has been accomplished for the past year. Yeah, sound is not working. Take your time. here to celebrate the city of Port St. Lucy and reaching an extraordinary achievement being named an all-American city for the first time in city history. >> It's not easy to become an all-America city. We had a committee of experts that sifted through all the different applications and came up with 20 finalist communities from all across the country. And these were cities like Denver, Colorado and Austin, Texas and Seattle. Denver did not win. Austin, Texas did not win, but Port St. Lucy won and you should be proud of it. Port St. Lucy has done it by investing wisely, focusing on critical infrastructure like roads, drainage, water systems, and frankly public safety. These are the priorities residents asked for and the city delivered. What we see in Port St. Lucy is something special. This is a community that truly works with the residents, with the businesses, with the faith leaders, with everyone in the community together to address important issues. It's a model of smart governance and communitydriven planning. The nationally PSL initiative, this is a perfect example. Through the naturally PSL green spaces and places initiative, 744 acres of land will be developed as green spaces and places, including 198 city-owned natural preserves, six parks to be opened or improved, and 20 new miles of trails. Tonight's awards honor the change makers among us, the individuals and groups who planted trees, cleaned up waterways, created Florida friendly yards, and inspired the next generation through studentled projects. >> We've launched a citywide innovation project by teaming up with the Bloomberg Harvard City Leadership Initiative, Center for Public Impact, and the Bloomberg Center for Public Innovation. Over the course of a year, we worked with over a thousand residents who generated a thousand ideas. and all this work that led to the city being declared an all America city. >> Let's continue to show the nation the nation what Port St. Lucy is made of. Congratulations, Port St. Lucy. Madame Mayor, that does not happen by mistake. If you really think about that accomplishment, how many years did it take for Port St. Lucy to get to this level and it took this council, this staff to make that happen? And I'm so proud of the team that we have, but that's in the past. We can't dwell on the past because we got to look into the future. As we always say, you're only as good as the day today. You got to look ahead on what's next. So, what is what's next for us? As you can see here, just kind of going going back slightly a little bit, 10 years of reducing our military, $42 million in savings. I know Councilman Bana always focuses on the savings. I just want to kind of highlight that. 41 miles of road resurfacing, 5.3 million residents coming into our city. Traffic, we know traffic is an issue. It's going to continue to be an issue, but this city, this council is planning on how we're going to be resolving some of these issues. And one of the things that I'm proud of that we've accomplished as as a team, as a council, is a lot of these roundabouts. And if you notice in in the past, people were very hesitant on these roundabouts, what impact it would have, but I'll just say look at um Torino and look at the impact that created in Torino and how easy it is to move around the Torino area. So we're focused on the south side on par Savona, how we can improve that. Understanding that St. Lucy West is one of our challenges. Um, California is another challenge that we have in front of us. Savone is another challenge and I can continue to name roads, but really St. Lucy Ways is going to be one of those um, areas that we're really going to have to focus on and get that project done and at least start the design of that project. Something else we pride ourselves on is safety. You know, we can do all the roads we want, but if we're not a safe city, then what are we? And we've always been known to be a safe city and we will continue to be a safe city. And I know with the chief and his um approach on, you know, building u the staff, building the the new training facility and really um staying at the edge of technology with what's coming. And there's a lot of great stuff that the chief is working on that we're all going to be proud of. parks. It's something that in the past, I can remember back going 15, 20 years ago where we had all these projects um ready to go, but we could not um financially afford it. But here's a tremendous opportunity that we have here. As you know, you've committed to getting tradition done. We're almost there. Sars and Stripes, the Port District, and not only but Torino is another park that would be forthcoming and um hopefully we get that under construction as soon as possible. All I'm going to say is Southern Grows um tremendous opportunity, but I can assure you within the next week an announcement will be made um that it's going to make us all of us proud and something that we've all been looking for forward to and wanted something like that special here. So, that's all I'm going to say, but um I think we're all going to be proud. And another area that uh we need to improve is our flooding. And we know we have flooding throughout the city, but I know the public works staff is really focusing on how do we get some of these covers replaced and how we lower that um the amount of flooding that we get throughout the city specifically in the center of the city. That's an area that we really need to focus on. And I know last year um we increased our storm water fund. Um did a slight increase and most likely there's going to have to be a future increase on that. But we'll look at the numbers and see where it lands. But the bottom line is that we are beginning the process of the design of the some of those improvements. Well, one of the things I've always thought about is like and I always kept saying, you know, we need to be known worldwide. Well, what is worldwide? But I think we've put our mark worldwide with Bloomberg and what this team council staff has really truly accomplished. So, um I can see great things for the city. As you know, we're getting residents u other cities coming here to come see what we're doing. Um and it's really um I'm really proud of the of the city and the staff on what as a team we've been able to accomplish. And um there's a lot more to come when it comes to what we can accomplish as a team. This is one that I'm very very proud of and this is really something that the residents wanted, council wanted, and also the staff. So just needless to say, we purchased 256 lots, 256 acres of land last year. The city eliminated over a thousand houses from going in this past year. So that is something to be proud of. And just this is just a small indication on kind of where our dollars are going into just the general fund alone. Look at the improvements on our investment in capital projects. Why? Because the need is there. we need to invest into not only our buildings, our facilities, but really it's um the overall our general fund. Um it it it's just needed um you know just the improvements that we made there at city hall on the lobby. This is these is facilities that have been there for over 30 years and they really needed a small facelift and really there's more more to come. So what are my goals for 26 27 for my staff and also um for you this this is this really comes from me my focus really is going to be innovative services delivery we need to have conservative approach we don't know what lies in front of us we need I feel it I understand it I see it I see the numbers uh what's being reflected right now and u we just need to take a step back and really be really responsible with what we do and really but also focus on our values that we currently have and really focus also on our training for our employees that we have especially in project management but really it's create the culture where at the end of the day how do we get to yes and that's one of my challenges I gave staff is like a lot of times things come our way you know and I know we have policies I know we have to follow all of our policy But it's like how do we figure out how do we get to Yes. And that's something that has changed our culture. We have to realize that our staff has changed from where staff was 15 years ago um to where it is today. We've had new employees and sometimes you lose that sense of that urgency on getting to yes. But I can assure you that that is one of my goals is how do we get to yes? How do we get staff to make sure that we're all thinking together and working together as a council staff and your city managers group? So, um I can assure you that is one of my focus and I will continue. And really the other one is, you know, how do we get all these projects done and get these projects complete that we've already started and um I know some of them this p this upcoming year we're most likely going to have three four major projects that will be complete and something that we will be very proud of. With that being said, looking forward to really kicking this off our uh workshop and looking forward to your feedback and um just hit us with whatever you have and you know we'll pivot to whatever we need to get done but um really proud of um this group and and the team. So I will take any question that you may have. >> Thank you so much Jesus and you know we will. So any questions or comment? Go ahead. >> Thank you so much for the beginning of the presentation. I do truly appreciate what your goals are and the refocusing portion, Mr. City Manager. Um, getting to yes is so important. It's always been part of our culture and there are many elements that's made Port St. Lucy special with our team that's exuded high quality service to our residents and you know we take it for granted. I think that's what happened at the end of the day. you you kind of just run with the way things go and then you take it for granted and you just think the new people are just going to catch on or the new employees, you know, are going to understand the culture walking in the door. Everyone that's been here, if you've been here a long time and you know what the city manager is speaking about, we all have to actively um make sure that we're exuding that to um the next generation of employees that are coming in so the culture continues despite the growth. Um, and I think if we're able to keep that culture of how do we get to Yes. Um, doing things exceptionally, you're going to have the largest city, one of the largest cities in the country that does something completely different and that's provide excellent customer service even when you're a big city. >> Absolutely. >> So, thank you. >> Thank you. >> And I think uh, you know, we made that a really great change a few years ago. Um, and you always look back and you say, okay, what have we done in the past um, that got us to where we are today? And I just got to say from our partnership and and getting involved with Bloomberg, I mean, we have changed the game on how we do everything in this city through strategic planning, through innovation, and all of that training and all that help has really propelled us to a place where I don't think we were would have ever been had not for been for that guidance. Getting our entire team working on innovation through strategic planning, getting everyone involved. And I remember being in the the uh the initiative and saying you know what this is great but and it was focused on mayors and you know executive staff but I was like no in our form of government we need to bring this to all of us together because we all have to in our form of government we all have to work together and make decisions. you know, no one person can make a decision to get things done. And the best thing I think we did was get everyone involved, bring the data and innovation and that strategic planning and human- centered design to all of us working together. And it's through been through all of those ideas and all that ideation and all that working together that we've really propelled ourselves and got to where we are today. And I'm really grateful for it. Uh I think we all are. uh we continue to see the benefits of the partnerships. Um and so uh it's been wonderful and so >> thank you all. Thank you all for being so involved in diving into it and because it's just been great. >> Any other comments for these news? >> Thank you. >> All right, so we're going to move on to our Southwest Annexation Area Transportation Assessment Report of findings. Good morning, Madame Mayor, council, colleagues, and members of the public. Mary Savage Dunham with the planning department. Today, we are here to receive a presentation of the draft initial findings of the southwest annexation area transportation assessment. And I would like to introduce Dr. Delaney from TCRPC and Kauwan Ma from KDson Associates. they've been um at the forefront of the analysis for us and they'll be presenting the findings. >> Great. Thank you. >> Good morning, Dr. Delaney. >> Good morning, city council of the sixth largest city in the state of Florida. So, uh thanks for the opportunity to present this morning. As as Mary mentioned, uh at the regional planning council, uh we in in uh coordination with KDson and associates uh have been underway in trying to better understand uh the transportation challenges. um and opportunities in the southwest annexation area. So this morning's presentation is the first formal presentation of the initial findings. They're still in a draft form. Um but um they've been reviewed um a number of times within staff and um council members have had a chance to have some uh exposure to them as well. And so uh I'll stay at a high level in the presentation but happy to dive into the details and particularly Kakwan can dive into the greater details um if those questions arise. Um and so with that just to zoom out for a moment of course following um the manager's presentation. I the city has really arrived at just a remarkable place. So national and international recognition uh for the city's really thoughtful planning and understanding of growth patterns and trends um and being able to position itself uh to really capitalize upon uh that input that um uh financial investment that comes from many different sources to maintain the wonderful quality of life in the city and the economic competitiveness uh where the city has positioned itself as a leader um in the state and in the nation. Um, one of the things that really characterizes uh the city's journey is its commitment to datadriven planning. Um, and so these couple of images just illustrate some of those products that the city has um developed over time to help understand again the growth trends um the patterns, the desires of residents, and then how to adjust public and private investments to create uh the quality of life that the city's come to be known for. pardon me. Um, and among those challenges, especially unique to the city of Port St. Lucy and the Treasure Coast region, um, is the rate of growth. Um, and, um, the growth that has arrived, um, much more quickly than original projections, which is even harder. When you have a longer view on growth, it's a lot easier to get all the infrastructure in place to handle it. But the pace at which the city has grown um is really remarkable in the region and in the state. And um you know when we look backwards and think about just a few years ago right in the life of cities 50 years ago these were the images that were marketing the city of Port St. Lucy um and it was um it was a place that was really uh working hard to become recognized and to get on the map. Um and now the city really dominates the map. Um uh this is just a little snapshot of how the city has grown through its annexations. But what was what was interesting for me as a researcher is just kind of looking at how we forecast growth um as a city over time. Um and so this uh this chart is from the early 2000s. This was part of the city's comprehensive planning work. Um, and the projections that were envisioned at the time were landing the city's future population at about 130,000 or so in 2020. Pardon me. Um, and no community makes decisions without the most information available. Every human nature and municipal decision-making always rely on making the best decision with the best data at the time. And this was the best data at the time. Um and uh and if we chart out that population growth, it kind of looks like this. Back in 2000, we were at a population of about 89,000. And the reasonable projection, if you look at the kind of the slope of that graph, the reasonable pro projection at the time concluded that we'd have a population of about 132,000 with a continued rate of growth that would continue at um kind of that slope that you see, a modest rate of growth. Um the reality is a lot different. So um this this uh chart illustrates what actually happened with respect to the city's population. Um and instead of 132,000 people, we had over 200,000 people in 2020. Um and so um pivoting to handle that amount of growth is tricky for cities. Um pardon me. The future population projection of course rather the current population projection puts us at about 260,000. So, you know, arriving at the sixth largest city in Florida is a is a remarkable feat. Um that is um that is a result of the city's um excellent work in becoming uh becoming visible. >> Sorry, just wanted to pause for a second. I sure have a question that just popped in that I think >> I think I've seen it. I've seen residents ask it and actually I have a question. If we go back to the previous slide and you can't answer, Kim, if Cochan can answer that'd be great. when you look at the projected population that we had in 2020, >> the 2020, I'll get back to that 2020. >> Um, and then to what we actually were, I I mean, I have been approached by residents saying, "Well, why didn't you plan this better? Why didn't you project the population better?" How does a city project a population accurately? And then more importantly at the council at the time making decisions and even looking 30 years back when some of our annexations occur and those kind of um elements. What can cause it to not necessarily project at what they were looking at back then? Like what is the what causes those discrepancies? Because the public's like you the city didn't plan well enough and we're just dealing with the data that we had at the time and so why did why is there such a delta? >> Sure. And that's a great million-dollar question. Um, there aren't really easy million-dollar answers for that because population projections are tricky. There are so many factors that influent influence rates of growth. And that's why that line isn't a straight line, right? That line has bumps and curves because recessions happen and buying trends happen. And a big storm in the Northeast really facilitates buyers down south. A calm winter in the Northeast slows down the rate of growth. The ability for um the school district to keep up with schools that have capacity is another factor. Um the city's ability to to uh um to design and deliver its infrastructure um is another challenge. Bad hurricane season, growth slows down. Calm hurricane season, growth speeds up. So there are there are hundreds of variables that influence population projections. So what what we see at the planning council, right, consistent with how the city makes its decisions is every community is fighting to make the best decisions it can with as much information as it can get its hands on. Um and the city is absolutely in the leadership position in doing that. Um in really analyzing trends, working with the private sector who's delivering units to you, who is motivated, and working with your residents to understand how do you feel about the city and what are you saying out there? Um, and so it's a really long answer to a really hard question, which is population projections are probably the most complex things cities have to do. Um, and um, and we don't have control over many of the variables that we try to understand when we make those projections. Well, and it's interesting because I think you did answer the question and and you answered it for me at least, >> which is the actual population estimations were based upon without having a true crystal ball of all the things that could happen. It was if everything stayed the same and nothing changed in the world, that's where we would be. But we couldn't project COVID. We couldn't project, like you said, the storms in the Northeast. We couldn't project all these things to know that population was going to move faster. And I don't think the state of Florida as a whole could do that either. I think CO we know CO played a huge role of bringing people to Florida in general. >> Sure. >> Um so thank you for that that answer and that that's going to help me um with conversations with the residents as well. Thank you. >> Madam Mayor, vice mayor. Um I can enlighten a little bit on that. the utility. Um, back 2530 years ago when we do our consumptive use permit, this is how much water you can withdraw out of the ground. Um, we come up with estimates. Back in the day, it was estimated and what you looked at, you looked at the utility service area. Remember at the time some of these annexation did not take place but we had to look at how much can we serve because really if you can't serve you're not going to have the residential born blank. So when we looked at the utility service area back in '94 when the utility was purchased from the county it was estimated at 450,000 residents that we will have in the city. Does it would it speed up and slow down? Absolutely. And we estimated that that was it was going to happen because everything is cycle. So really that is the best number we have util but if you expand your utility service area the population will also increase. So that's your trigger. Your trigger is going to be you're at 450. What's next? So if you annex then that will increase because now you're going to expand your utility service area. And also it also took in consideration some of the residents that we were serving in the county that was taken in consideration too. So the best estimate back 25 it was 450,000 residents. >> Can you answer that? Okay. Thank you. >> Sure. And and I think this graph kind of illustrates that. You know the city wasn't in as um successful in annexation mode until the 2000s. and the 2000s is really when the city's mass began to expand and the ability for people to develop more quickly arrived with that. So that's kind of where that departure is. Um so I'll keep going if that's all right, mayor. Okay, super. Um and so we're at about 260,000 people today. And then when we when we think about the history of where we've been, the city doubled its population in 20 years. That's a remarkable statistic. um to arrive at um 260,000 people today and then going forward uh where the trends tell us the city's heading is knocking on the door of 400,000 people by 2020 2045 or 2046. Um there aren't a lot of cities that can claim that as a characteristic. So um again so rapid population growth in a successful market brings lots of challenges with respect to how infrastructure arrives and is delivered um and um and is funded. And so that's really the focus of the presentation for today. Um when we think about the study area that we were challenged to look at, this map is a map of uh of the city and our study area is really the southwest annexation area which is identified in blue as well as those areas that influence what happens in the southwest annexation area. Uh so um the city now has a northwest annexation area also which is in the pink. Um and then um and those developments by the way that um already have arrived on the ground um in the southwest area identified in color. Now I was thinking about today's presentation and um and it was nostalgic. I've been with the planning council 22 years as of next month. And when I started with the council, one of my first jobs was analyzing the transportation impacts of these DRRI. So it really has come full circle. Um, and back then when I went out and did field work to understand what's coming in this area, there were mostly cows. So, it was really hard to kind of envision that this would have a volume of what totals 75,000 people in this area and around it that are really fighting for space on the transportation network. Um, and so, um, in the Northwest area, of course, um, those, uh, colored, um, polygons, if you will, represent developments that are known or inbound. Um, and then the other new piece of information is all the development happening in northern Martin County and western St. Lucy County outside the city limits. Again, there were just cows on that property when the first population projections were being put together and those are all houses and destinations that are generating pressures on the transportation network. So um so the approach for this project as tasked by your team um was to look at those population trends, those impacts, the infrastructure that's committed um and have a better understanding of whether or not particularly um three key roadways uh would be um necessary to support uh the transportation impacts uh coming down the road. Um and so just uh by way of background um a couple of tables that summarize the development that is uh coming into this area. So the first one is the southwest annexation area. What's notable about this graph or this table rather is that between the original DRRI propo approvals and today um the uh number of residential units has grown to now 50,000 an extra 6,300 units uh in addition to um the uh uh 43,000 uh that were originally envisioned. Um and then on the industrial side of the page, uh this area now has an expectation of um almost 12 million square feet of industrial space. A remarkably successful product from the city's southern grove work. Uh but that gives us now about 30 million total square feet of non-residential space and 50,000 units in just the southwest area alone. Um when we shift up to the northwest annexation area, um additional traffic impacts on the horizon. um another 10,000 units really not envisioned back when those roadways were initially uh initially being designed um and uh and about six million square feet of non-residential space. Um and then outside the city limits again additional traffic impacts that weren't originally envisioned. So the total gives us about 75,000 units in the southwest area, the northwest area, and then northern Martin southern St. Luc uh western St. Lucy um and another um and another 30 uh I'm sorry 50 55 million square feet of non-residential square footage 53 million square feet of non-residential square footage. So that's a lot of people looking to circulate in the district. That's kind of the sum of all of those tables. Um and so what's happened with respect to roadway obligations is illustrated on this next couple of couple of slides. So this map illustrates the roadway obligations as of 2011. Uh the different colors illustrate the number of lanes that were assigned to developers to provide through the DRRi agreements the city had negotiated. Um over time there were some modifications to those roadways. Different things happen and we talked a bit. It was a great question from um uh from uh uh from uh Councilwoman uh Carabio about um how do you predict what happens? Um, roadway modifications get changed because markets change and um, economies shift. We've gone we've weathered a couple of recessions um, over time. And so some of the roadways were taken out of the mix. Um, and the balance of roadways that remain in today's DRRi agreements is illustrated on this slide. Again, the study area being the southern portion of the southwest annexation area. Um, and those dashed lines are roadway obligations that exist. They are pledged to the city. they are in many ways the ownership of the city. They're their public assets um that are um uh that are again subject of uh discussion um uh in uh in this study. So zooming in on that area, there are three key roadways that were analyzed in this analysis. So the first one and really the focus is the uh the um continued commitment for the Hegner PAR drive uh to be provided as it's envisioned. And so there's the uh those blue question marks are the alignments of um of the roadways that are the subject of discussion. So Hegner PAR the east west road that's going from range line over to community. Um and then there are two other roadway segments that we analyzed u that the the team asked us to look at. So the first one um is uh the Marshall Parkway interchange um which has been the subject of lots of discussion at the TPO. Um and so the question is what happens when that interchange is built or or not built um within this district. And then uh the third segment that was analyzed is actually proposed by a developer to the south in Martin County. Um so that's not a not proposed by Martin County but by a developer within Martin County. Um and that is a connection that is um just uh just west of I95. um that kind of aligns with Sandstone Boulevard um in uh uh at the bottom uh right hand corner of of this map. Um and so um there is a history of council action on this question. In fact, probably in this room about two years ago, uh there was a council staff workshop that took place um and the council took uh took a few uh positions unanimously uh to direct um to direct staff from a policy standpoint. Um and so the minutes from that workshop are on this slide and I highlighted two things just to point out because it was informative for us as a team to analyze where the city had been. Um the first one is the council determined unanimously not to remove any roadways in the annexation agreement and that all east west roads should connect to Rangeline Road. Um and the second just highlighted point um is maintaining existing DRRI order requirements. Um and so that's the history of the council action um on this question. Um with uh uh in developing the study um we did uh undertake some public engagement to be sure that we had the best available data because that's always the challenge when you undertake studies like this. Um and so there were two outreach meetings that took place in November. One with um our partner public agencies including the TPO, DOT and uh um and St. Lucy County. Um and then we also met with the developer representatives uh for Akl GL Helms and Madame along with their traffic engineers uh just to confirm we had the right data in hand and the methodology that we're using to analyze the um the network made sense and there was a concurrence across the board that we were using the right data and that the methodology made sense. Um and so with that uh when we think about transportation networks the measure that's used with respect to roadways is referred to as level of service. And so level of service is really looking at the ratio between volume and capacity on various segments of road. And it ranges from A to F. And A, B, and C, which are highlighted in those green circles, tend to be kind of free flowing conditions. So there's not a lot of delay in the network. Even at peak hour, there's not a lot of delay in the network. But as there's more um demand for roadways, uh level of service shifts into D, E, and F. And so those are colored on purpose. So D road uh D levels of service are where there's an expectation that there will be delays particularly at rush hour, peak direction gets a little busy and there might be two three traffic lights to get through at peak hour. Um E and F conditions become intolerable for a lot of drivers. There's a lot of congestion, a lot of delay. Um a lot of phone calls to city hall when people are frustrated because they're sitting in traffic. Um and so with respect to levels of service for the study um what we did was uh pick a um pick a threshold of what uh.7 volume to capacity ratio and 7 tends to be the ratio where below that uh volume to capacity ratio you have those free flowing conditions you don't have a lot of delay but as you exceed that you start to experience those delays and one of the things to point out is in the study we were conservative in using average annual daily trips or a AAD. We did not do a peak hour analysis. Um and so it's the most generous way if you if you will uh to think about roadway capacities. We would expect the peak hour condition would be worse and the peak hour peak direction would be even worse than that. Okay. So, but we're on the most conservative end of that spectrum which is looking at average trips. Let me just check in with Kwan to make sure I've said that correctly. Kwan, am I okay still? >> Yep. >> Okay. All right. All right, I'll keep rolling. Um, so to analyze the network, uh, we developed a couple of scenarios. Remember, there's three roadways that we're thinking about and each of them is individual. So there's whether or not Hegner PAR continues to be maintained as the developer obligation that it exists as today. There's the Marshall Parkway interchange. Does the city continue to advocate for that interchange to be built? Um, and then there's this developer proposed road to the south, and the question is whether or not the city allows that connection to happen. They're each individual decisions, but for the purpose of the analysis, we grouped them together. So, we had some scenarios to test. So, that gave us eight scenarios to test, and that's summarized on this slide. Um, and so, just to kind of clarify that, there are four scenarios that do not have the Hegner PAR drive. There are four scenarios that do. Um there are four scenarios that don't have the Marshall Parkway interchange and there are four that do. Um and then there are four scenarios that don't have that developer proposed road and there are four that do. So that gives us eight scenarios. Um and those are all summarized on this table. Now this this slide's going to get pretty busy because it's going to have to do a lot of work. It's the main summary slide. So that said, um we have eight scenarios and that gives us between 20 and 24 segments to test within that study area. Okay, so that summarized all the lefth hand side and remember we're using level of service as our standard measure um as we evaluate the performance of the network. Um and so what happens when we plug all that information into the model um is a forecast as to about how much congestion will there be in the overall network based on those different scenarios. Um, and so the green side of that table is where we have what would be considered acceptable traffic flows. And on the red and yellow side, it's where the the network starts to break down. Um, and there's really a clear distinction if you group those scenarios where Hegner Drive exists, we would expect to have less overall congestion, less overall delay in the network uh than if we are without that road. Um, and I'll touch on those individual scenarios um, in the next couple of slides, but this is really the main research question for the study. And this is without question a fairly clear answer to that question, which is Hegner the the inclusion of Hegner PAR has a creates a much less le a much lower level of congestion in the network. Not a surprise. Um, the most competitive cities are always the most connected cities. And this is kind of that finding that we would expect to see in a study like this one. Um but into the details. Um Kauwan in his transportation wizardry uh developed an overall congestion factor for us to use as a measure when we think about the district. And that's a kind of adding up all those different segments and all the different congestion expected. And that gives us um an overall measure for the entire network. Um again focusing on those three particular roadways um that are being analyzed simplifying that in just this aerial because we don't have as much confusion when we just think about the condition today. Um the uh there are series of eight slides that illustrate those eight scenarios. So for each one um there's a map that illustrates um the the transportation network. Um there are um there are three blue boxes on this one. So this is this is the first scenario. We don't have any of those segments. Um, and those are the you'll see those vary as we go through the slides. And on the bottom left hand side is a little table that illustrates about how much congestion we would expect to see in the district through the 2020 uh 2040 model year. 2040 cop 2045 >> 2045 >> 2045 sorry 2045 year. So in scenario number one, we don't have any of those connections in place. What would we expect to see? more overall congestion in the district than otherwise. Um the absence of Hegner PAR means traffic has to go somewhere. So those cars are going either on Marshall or Becker. So that's why you see Marshall and Becker um in yellow on the slide um without having the um connection at Marshall Parkway. The other two interchanges have to carry all the load. So, the interchange at uh Gatlin and the interchange at Becker, as you can see, not only are they not green, but they actually have some purple in them, which means they actually are beyond capacity and reaching failure um at those two interchanges. Um but without the connection to um the south, what happens is our residents who leave the city and go to the jobs that will exist to the south have to use the interchanges to get there. Um and likewise our employees that live to the south and come into the many jobs that we've created have to use the interchanges. So in the absence of that connection to the south the interchanges carry a much heavier burden and that's a contributing factor in what we see in the findings in this slide. Okay, please jump in if I get off off track. Okay. Uh so scenario number two then is a scenario where we add just that connection to the south. uh we don't have Hegner par and we don't have the Marshall Parkway interchange. So what happens in that scenario? Um well Becker Road is a very busy road because again we have our residents going to jobs in the south and we have our workers coming to jobs from the south. Um and so Becker becomes very busy as does Village Boulevard. Uh so just adding that connection without the other two gives us again a fairly high amount of congestion in the district as you can see in that little summary table over on uh the left the bottom left hand side. Scenario three still without PAR but adding the interchange um uh uh alone. Um what happens the interchange becomes an attractor because people now have a way to get in and out of the city in and out of this area um differently than they can. we get some relief from the other two on the other two interchanges. So, we don't have purple anymore uh up near Gatlin. We we shift to red and we don't have purple anymore on Becker. Becker gets some relief um because Marshall becomes a place for people to get in and out. But with the absence of Hegner PAR, again, what you can see is well, there's a lot of traffic on Marshall and there's a lot of traffic on Becker because those cars don't have the ability to disperse, which is what more efficient networks have. Um and so those other two roadways become very busy. Uh last scenario without Hegner PAR is one where we would uh we test the interchange and the connection to the south. What happens? The interchanges again operate a little um with a little less congestion because there's a different outlet. Uh the Marshall Parkway interchange gives that to uh uh to the to the network. Um and that road to the south um creates the most congestion we see in the district. just that road to the south without the internal connections because we become an attractive destination and that destination quality means that we have traffic coming into the district that we might not otherwise have um and so um without the internal connections um it becomes a very um a very congested scenario for the city. So but as we go forward the next scenarios all have the Hegner par connection and so I'll just touch on each of those. If we just have Hegner but not the other two, we have a really free flowing condition. We've siloed ourselves as a city. It's hard to get in and out of this district, but if you're in the district, it's easy to drive around. So, you can see the the core part of the um the central part of the district is is very green, but the two interchanges are under a lot of stress. And so, the reason there's purple lines are on the map by Gatlin and Becker is because there's no way for folks to get in and out. They can move around internally but they can't get in and out and so the interchanges become overloaded. >> Yes ma'am. >> So we know what's um planned in terms of residential units obviously here but does this also the study factor in all the residential that is entitled already out west? Just want to clarify. >> Yes it does. It it includes uh all of the polygons that were shown on the previous slides of all of the developments. Uh we're looking at a horizon year scenario with the assumption that all of those are in. >> Okay. Just want to make sure the public is aware of that. >> Yes. And it also includes all of the developer committed improvements assumed in place as well. >> Great. Thank you. >> Right. And and I'm glad you raised that point, mayor, because all that development if when it's looking to get to I95, it only has those two points to get there. And that's why those interchanges are so overs subscribed, >> right? And and it's also I know we talk about this a lot, but it's very important to reiterate is that it's going to take years for commercial development to follow any residential whatsoever. So, especially in those years where those that the western um developments are happening, all of those individuals are going to be coming into Port St. Lucy within our boundary for services, right? And we already know what it looks like today out west, right? And we already know that roads are being triggered already now um because of the of all the development and because of all the population boom that we have seen. So it's it's it's very easy to look at this and say, "Yeah, this makes sense, but if we have another boom, if we have all these factors that we talked about before that we cannot, you know, we don't have a crystal ball for." >> Right. >> It could be worse. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Like so, >> and to your point, retail follows rooftops. >> Yes. >> It doesn't precede rooftops. Right. So you have to go, if you're buying a gallon of milk or a pair of sneakers, you're driving in and you're getting a gallon of milk and a pair of sneakers. So because you don't have other destinations, right, that will arrive um like the like the residential will. >> So thank you. >> Um okay. So so scenario five I touched on. Scenario six. Um scenario six would have that connection to the south and the uh the Hegner par drive but not an interchange. What happens? uh fairly good flowing conditions in the center of the district, but the interchanges again as you can see and village as well really carrying a lot of uh a lot of traffic um uh in um in um in this scenario. Scenario seven with Hegner and the interchange but not the connection to the south. What happens is uh the Marshall Parkway interchange really carries um a lot of um a lot of demand because the interchange itself becomes an attraction and so Marshall Parkway uh becomes a very busy road. Um the uh as as I mentioned folks living to the south and working here and folks living here and working to the south are using the interchange to make those morning commutes and so those roads uh those connections um become very busy as a result. Um and then the eighth scenario is the most connected scenario. And so that is where all three of those alignments um are presumed to be in place. Um it's not the least congested scenario, right? Because we haven't siloed ourselves. We've created a connection to the south that isn't otherwise there. Um the um the access to the interstate is dispersed across three interchanges so each of them can function more effectively. Um, and that interchange to the south does other things uh for the city. So, as we think about this as analysts, it doesn't have the least amount of congestion, but it has other things that work perhaps in the city's favor. Um, because you do have folks who can more easily come into the city for goods and services and jobs. And so, you have um you have uh expanded economic potential that you might not otherwise have. Um, the other thing you do is you have shorter commutes for your own residents. So your own residents that are working to the south or your own employees that are coming into the city don't have to use I95 for every trip. And we have those examples to the south where communities didn't have those internal connections. So folks get on 95 and they travel two exits to get off to go to work. And those sections of I95 that play that role are very tricky, especially peak hour, peak direction. and the interchanges just can't be built large enough to carry those volumes of traffic. Um, so that connection to the south, again, although this isn't the lowest overall congestion, it may have other benefits to the city that you may want to consider from a policy standpoint as to whether or not that connection happens. So, mayor, did you have a comment? No. I'm glad that I cover that. Okay. >> All right. >> And, um, for the staff, did I cover everything okay so far? All right. So, I'll keep rolling. So, into conclusions. So findings, initial findings. So what do we find if we zoom out? One, Hegner PAR is a very influential and important roadway for the city. Um, every scenario that includes Hegner has less congestion overall than the scenarios that do not. Um, it also is a an important reliever for both Marshall and Becker. And so additional lanage capacity on those two corridors is pushed out further into the future for you. Um, you also have better dispersion and you have more reliability. You have more resiliency when you have more connections. Again, the most connected cities are the most competitive ones in every city that we look at um as peers, pardon me. There will though need to be a consideration, we suggest for additional roadway improvements over time. So, when the Becker uh when the Marshall Parkway interchange is constructed, if and when Marshall Parkway will be a much busier road. So, that's an example where you may need to you may need to start to think about more capacity um sooner than later. Um and there are other segments that also don't have enough lanage to carry all the traffic volumes that are coming in. Again, you have 75,000 residents and you have 53 million square feet of non-residential space circling around the district. It's not a surprise that the roadways will need to have more capacity to handle that. So the noted ones, Tradition Parkway, Rangeline Road, Community Boulevard, Village Parkway, and Becker, all roadways to think about over time um to uh to add capacity. With respect to the Marshall Parkway interchange, clearly it's going to relieve congestion at the two interchanges on either side. That's an intuitive finding. You would expect to see that and we certainly see that in the data. Um it also becomes an attractor. And so that's one of the things to think about. When you add a new interchange, it's going to pull traffic that otherwise isn't interested in going there, right? Um and so that really accelerates the demand for Marshall. Um and really raises the um uh the uh question for you as a board as to what you want to do with respect to capacity on Marshall. Um the north south connector to Martin County is is really complex. So as we think about it as analysts for you in this scenario in this uh in this study um it does when you when you add a new connection in a roadway network you bring in more traffic. So if you just look at that connection as um as a in its relationship to traffic congestion I I think again intuitively and in the data adding a connection brings in more cars. So you're going to have more things uh more um congestion on the network. However, it also does other things for you. If you live in Port St. Lucy and you're heading south for work, instead of getting out to 95 and going down to your job, um, and you can, uh, use that internal connection, it might change your commute from 45 minutes to 20. That's life-changing for people. Um that actually is an economic generator for you because you then have the ability to reduce transportation costs, increase discretionary time um and um um and facilitate more economic activity or people getting to the ball game to coach their kid or whatever happens in that extra time that you get back in your life. Um the other thing it does is it creates um expanded economic potential for you. If it's easier to get to the city to acquire goods and services, people do that. That's human nature and that's what traffic modeling shows as well. Um so again that connection is a more complex connection than just evaluating it whether or not um it uh it creates uh traffic congestion or relieves it. Um it is uh it is complex and it's really a section that should be further analyzed in our opinion um as we look at the data. Um so with respect to recommendations then what we would recommend based on what we see in the data um is is one the city should absolutely retain the development requirements to build the Hegner par uh segment when we tried to understand the impact of that segment it's about a $27 million value if you will for that roadway to be constructed in its current commitment based on FDOT's um standard calculating models. So as an asset then it's $27 million of just roadway and it's 55 acres of land in the sixth largest city in the United States. So the value to you as a public resource is really significant. Um and so whether or not that road happens in the near term or the long term retaining that as a public asset for your community is a very strong recommendation that we have in looking at the data um on again at the city's request. Um, the second recommendation is the city should advocate for the Marshall Parkway interchange. It's an important interchange. It releases the demand on the other two interchanges. It makes you more resilient and it makes you more connected. All things that make cities more competitive. Um, and then for the southern connection, the recommendation is the city should further analyze that connection. It's very complex. Um, it has transportation impacts, economic development impacts, and quality of life. and you may have developer contributions to other roadway segments as a result of allowing that connection to happen that could have other benefits for you as a city. So we would suggest that's an analysis that needs a little more a little more thoughtful consideration as you think about what to do. And then zooming out overall what we would recommend to you is the city should um as it thinks about future development one continue to require road rights of way be dedicated with development but actually make those dedications time certain instead of triggering them to other things so that you have more control over your future. You have more predictability. You can be more clear. Um Councilwoman Carabio when residents ask you well what are you doing over there and why is it so busy? You can let them know. We actually have developed roadways that are committed to us. We will receive those roads in this year and they will be built in this time frame. So having that predictability and having that confidence in the transportation network is a way to answer those kinds of questions and also better handle changes as they come over time. The other recommendation is to require roads be constructed earlier in the development time frame. like we know retail follows residential. Um and and because that's the case, there's a lot more traffic on the network than we might otherwise envision. Um and so having those roadways constructed earlier gives you those apertures. It creates more resiliency um in um um and better dispersed traffic patterns are more efficient and they're safer. The roads don't have to be as wide also, which makes a safer condition. Um, and so the suggestion is those delivery dates should be tied to construction phases but not necessarily trip counts. So when you get to phase two, that road is dedicated to the city and it gets built. Um, and so and you have the ability to do that. The sixth largest city in the state of Florida has a lot of influence in the development game as you know as council members. So and then otherwise the recommendation is the city should really um consider additional land banking as you go forward. Uh we work with cities of course across the region. We have 53 local governments but we work across the state. There's no city that looks backwards and says man we got too much land in the bank now. We should get rid of it. That's not the conclusion that cities come to. What cities the conclusion cities come to is geez we wish we had landbanked a road over here or we wish we had landbanked a bigger park property because we don't want five fiveacre parks. We need one 25 acre park and that land is hard to get today. >> Um and so land banking for all those different infrastructure needs, not just transportation but parks, preserves, other infrastructure needs. Highly recommended the volume of growth that's coming. You see what the population projections are at the regional planning council. We do too. Land banking is a great strategy to get yourselves positioned to be um as successful as you want to be and deserve to be as a community. Um and so with that, let me pause one more to add to that. No team cult. Okay, Mary, we're good. All right. So, there you go. So, happy to answer questions if you have them. Thank you. >> Thank you. Questions? >> Yes. Go ahead. >> Um, you mentioned about advocating for Marshall Parkway. We've been doing that for years. Being on the TPO, it comes up every single meeting. Um, it's in DO's hands. They know. Um, and that has been advocated, I think, since we were gifted the uh, property out there in Southern Grove. So, we're already on that. The other thing is is that Marshall shows two lanes. >> Why that is going to be a direct connection from Range Line to 95. Why it is at two lanes, I have no clue. When all the other ones are four, six, and eight. So that really concerns me as to why that was done. The um I know Hegner PAR has been an issue from if it was from Riverland to range. I really don't have an issue huge issue of letting that be um trails or a PO. You just mentioned about the land banking and for public parks and preserves. It would be a perfect area for out there. There's not much out there. Um we already have one, two, three, I think there's six east west connections. And if you go on the west side or the east side of 95, we only have three, which the population is probably triple of what the west part is. So that's where I I'm not quite understanding all of that or you know and again nobody has a crystal ball. We really don't know. This is just a guess guessing trying to figure out you know what's going on. Um the connection down to Martin County. I'm still not sold on that. I'm um we've it's been brought up again at TPO for many many times. Um, I'm not I'm not sold on that. Um, I know you mentioned about, well, people can get on there and go down south to go to work. We're trying to get people to live, work, and play right here in Port St. Lucy. So, I that one really concerns me and I don't think I just don't think it would be a good fit for that southern connection. >> Pick it. >> Thank you. Um the Marshall Parkway can't come quick enough. We are overburdened on Gatlin and Becker Road to get into Southern Groves. That's your only two connections in and out of there. Um with that being said, there's 20,000 over 20,000 people or 20,000 trips a day come from 95 to San Boulevard Parkway to get into Southern Groves. talking about the the bridge to Martin County. Um, I see the need for it, but I also see the need to have a second entrance in and out of there. Just having one, we're creating congestion at that San Boulevard Parkway. And if we don't think about that 10 years from now, we're going to have to go back and and and and spend needless countless dollars to put another road in that we should have thought about on the front end. So take that in consideration. Uh the Hegner Park Parkway, that's a no-brainer that that needs to stay. But um the the interchange there, Sanong Boulevard, uh coming into Southern Groves and going to the the proposed bridge in Martin County, uh I'm out there every day. The mayor, she lives on the other side. She sees it every day. There is so much traffic there. Now, wait till Costco comes in. Wait till Costco gets there and that's going to increase the truck traffic. So that's that's why my thoughts are we need to have a second way to get in and out of the the Martin County uh economic development area. Thank you >> Bana. >> Thank you, Madam Mayor. Um so I'm really glad we did this study. You know, I was initially um very open to the prospect of removing PAR and and placing a PO. And the reason I was was because I, you know, I feel that today the traffic conditions um were behind. We're behind partially because the U 55 plus IT code is being used um to calculate our network and it's delayed roads and um we need roads today. And so I was excited about the prospect of if we can get more roads developed sooner within time certain within the next few years. Um you know I was I was excited about that opportunity to improve the day-to-day lives of our residents today. Um you know you go into a study with a hypothesis and then you look at the data and I I do believe the data showed how important um par drive is for the long term of the city. Um, I do, um, and and maybe you can touch a little bit more on it because one of the questions I asked was one of the one of the arguments for removing PAR is that you have enough lane miles, you can widen these other you can widen these other roads. Um, and I don't think our scenarios really answered that question as boldly as they could as it could have, but but you did have answers for me in our meeting. Um, I'm very open to the connection to Martin County. I believe we're one treasure coast and part of u part of being one treasure coast um involves economic activity. I believe the economic activity that will result from that um will have benefits in terms of sales tax um other you know jobs and opportunities for our residents and I and and will shorten um day-to-day trips for residents who live there. And so um for those reasons I'm I'm very much in favor of that. So, thank you, >> Vice Mayor. >> Thank you. Um, so I'd like to start my comments by talking about time. And a lot of my conversation with Dr. Delaney was about time. And you know, as humans, we say time is the most precious thing we have. It's the one thing we can never buy back to get back or do anything to get more of. And you know, I have become and I'm sure some of us have become very sensitive to the residents comments. You know, especially when they say, "Well, you know, you're just going to build what you're going to build and you don't care what we think." And, you know, I do nothing but eat, sleep, and lose sleep over what the residents, you know, think and trying to make sure that my decision as 105 is the best decision for the residents, even if they if they might not like me later. And this is a this is a difficult one, right? Because when you look at the modeling and you look at some of the choices we have, we are aware that some of these choices might create slightly more congestion in the future. But what we don't have a measurement is of is time. And so with all the technology that is out there with AI, I would love to see further modeling when we bring back modeling that discusses time of travel because you could have a congested area, but if it took you 10 minutes to get from your home and you spent five minutes in congestion, that's a 10-minute travel time. If you have to travel 45 minutes out, it doesn't matter if it's a straight shot with no congestion, you still spent 45 minutes going from your home to your job. And that time is what I think the residents quantify the most when it t when they look at their day, when they look at their life. Um, you're always going to have individuals that spend time in traffic and then yell and scream about how did you let this traffic happen? But the reality is is that time to me is number one followed by the inconvenience of congestion. And when you look at the projected development to the south of us, first of all, I would like to say that when I spoke to the developer, I selfishly said you should annex into the city because obviously we need more jobs in the city of Port St. Lucy. Um, but you know, they are going to be in Martin County. They already have their approvals and that that that ship has sailed. I know. But I cannot bring myself to I can't bring myself to inconvenience our residents to travel around Martin County or to travel through other routes knowing full well that we could provide a direct connection for them to go to work. how we get that to happen, how the city manager negotiates that, that's a process still to be had. But I do feel that time is so important. I I listen, I've lived in the city my whole life and I've worked in Martin County and just to be on US1, I would take an hour out of my day home and back to go to Kirner. I can't get that time back. I lost hours with my kids as they were growing up. So, it might cause a little bit of congestion, but the time it will save, we can we we that's like something we're giving back to the residents. That's so important. Um, also live, work, and play. And and Councilwoman Morgan, I appreciate your live, work, and play because that was also in my notes. That's been the goal is to live, work, and play right where you live. Port St. Lucy's out of space. We just need to we need to accept that. we've got no more room. Everything's entitled. And unfortunately, our forefathers who lived with what they had in front of them, did not think about the amount of jobs that we're going to need to sustain a population of this size. We have to be thinking about jobs. And we have to accept that maybe those jobs won't be from the city of Port St. Lucy. They might be a neighbor to our south or a neighbor to our north, but at the end of the day, it benefits the city residents of the city of Port St. Lucy. And so I really do want to find a way to make this work. Um, as I said to the developer and to our staff, our population is so large. Guess who's filling those jobs? It's going to be the city of Port St. Lucy's residents that are filling those jobs. >> And so, um, you know, we do have an obligation to find a way to make it work as much as we can. The developer also has an obligation to mitigate their impacts for the growth and for the impact that they're creating on our roads and help us minimize the congestion uh moving forward. As far as PAR, I have never been a proponent of removing PAR. Um I'm so glad like Councilman Bon said that the data now also justifies and backs that up. and um you know, so I I'm I'm glad that my hunch and my gut told me we need every single road in the city of Port St. Lucy. So the data shouldn't stop here. I do want to I I do want to bring in time because maybe this will also help our conversations with the residents. I think there's so much discussion about congestion, but we're not talking about the difference of time. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. Did you have something else before I go? >> Well, I I just wanted to clarify. I've never been a proponent. I've just been open to it if it made sense. Yeah. So, I just wanted to clarify that for the record. >> All right. Thanks. So, I want to thank you so much and Kauwan, thank you so much for for this. Um, it's been a long time coming and it was absolutely so necessary. Um especially since when we have these discussions, you know, when when our team has the discussions with the development community, you know, it always looks like it's our side versus your side and we all have to work in partnership together, right? In order to get things done, in order to to make decisions on what's in the best interest of the city. So, we really needed this look from you, Dr. Delaney and Kakwan and the Treasure Coast Regional Planning Council to give us that objective opinion. And so, that's why I so appreciate it. And um typically I'm not a fan of studies in the sense that a lot of them tell us what we already know or intuitively what we know, not necessarily data driven wise, but this is again that perfect scenario of we we needed this confirmation and um especially from the third party um and objective view. Um and I've I've never been a proponent either of taking out a road. uh we learned from our mistakes in the past or or uh we pivot based on you know decisions we've made in the past based on the information we had at the time and the biggest mistake you can make is not learning from those mistakes and and not learning to pivot and think differently and so we learned with the PO and I'm just I'm just going to say we learned with the PO that is not smart the current one that's in existence While it's nice, uh, while it's mostly nice to benefit residents in a community, it's not so much as the public benefit that we thought it could be at the time or >> or or any, you know, what did you say? >> Right. Right. And how it was put forward. We didn't have the crystal ball knowing that there's going to be so many residents coming in such a short amount of time. So when we looked at uh using trip modeling for active adult, right, it might have been it would have been fine had we not had the population boom that we had had. But we know now that great that information was, but it doesn't work for today. And so taking out a road, giving up our rightway, and I especially like the fact that we gave a dollar value to it and talked about the land and the amount of acreage. I don't think our citizens would want us to give up a $27 million asset. That doesn't make sense. And if I I if you put I think if you put 50 residents in a room, I don't think one of them would say, "Yeah, give up $27 million asset." especially when it relates to less traffic congestion, the benefit of time, like you mentioned, Jolene. And so, um, I there's no way I'm going to ever, uh, support giving up this, uh, essential roadway. We all know Marshall is needed. We need it today. Uh, we see what's happening on Gatlin Boulevard with the interchange getting to it. Even with the improvements that DOT has made, even with the improvements that we have made with the right turn lane onto northbound Village Parkway, we still see the backups and the congestion, but there's only so much space. So, you have to go to the next point and say, "All right, all right, where else can we put in an interchange to help relieve some of that?" Not only from the Gatlin side, but also from the Becker the Becker roadside as well. Um, so vitally important that that happens and it's very frustrating for all of us because in working with DOT and and just what we know from how long it takes to get things done, we know it takes many, many years in order to get an interchange, but we saw especially in the southwest area, uh, southeast area when the Veranda Gardens uh, subdivisions were all put into place, we saw that there was that developer partnership right through the Heisenas in order to get uh the turnpike done, >> right? It got it done faster. And I can't even imagine where we would be today if we did not have that connection on the southeast side of Becca Road with the Turnpike. I mean, it would be an absolute disaster. So, I try to look at all these things very holistically. And so when we're talking about our Martin County connection and knowing what we've dealt with um getting the interchange uh for the turnpike and looking at a global um holistic view of what are the quality of life benefits in time, what does it look like from an economic development standpoint? The importance of being a very connected city and giving different options for people to travel. the connection does make sense to me and it is a matter of how does it happen and my concern is is that we've learned so much and and and we know especially with these studies and with all the professionalism that we have you know in in our organization and working with our partners we know that there's a way to do it the right way. It is a matter of our city manager working to figure out what that looks like and then engaging with more conversations with um Treasure Coast Region Planning Council, TPO. Uh however, um like I said, we have the right people in place to make smart decisions PE the right people in place that know what not to do from things that have done in the past. not necessarily mistakes, but just from what didn't work well in the past. And so if we don't take advantage of that now, in the future when this happens, because eventually it's going to happen and we have to acknowledge that as well, there will be a connection because a future council five years from now, 10 years from now could say, "Yeah, good. Let's let's see what that looks like." But you might not have the institutional knowledge and all the professionalism that we have around us in the future that we have today. Especially with the institutional knowledge and learning from history. So this is our opportunity. This is our opportunity to do it right to work on it and to flush it out and and to come to a really good decision and and and figure out how to make that connectivity work for the benefit of our future residents because it's going to happen. And if we sit here and say, "No, no, no, it's not going to happen." That's just not going to be true. That's just not true because it will. So, we need to take advantage of our opportunities. We do need to think about the our economy and which we're going to have a presentation a little later about our economic outlook and um so I am very open to um seeing what that looks like in the future. >> Okay. >> Any other one thing I wrote down that I forgot also. I'm interested as um I don't know the DRRI that the developer has with Martin County. I'm interested in understanding too is there any obligations currently road obligations um that connect to Glades um from Martin County just just because I was I was also thinking the modeling showed our city limits. I don't know what the modeling shows when we incorporate any road obligations that they might have with the adjacent um agency and um let me just check make sure yeah and that's and and it I was thinking about the larger cities because we are now a larger city. I was thinking about like West Palm, Miami and I'm thinking of the population in those cities and how much they have to travel to go into work and how congested it is and even with Marshall projected to have slightly slightly bit of congestion. I just think we need to have every every interchange that we have available to us to help move people around um the city and help them get to jobs. So that's why any interchange that we can get that's that's going to be critical for us. Thank you. But yeah, the modeling. Okay. Okay. >> All right. So, uh we have a list of recommendations here that we need to um act on. >> Are we doing it by consensus or motion, madame mayor, for point of clarification? >> Um let's do it by motion so that we have it we have it um very clear. Um I'll go ahead and make a motion to retain the developer requirements related to the construction of Hagner and Par Road segment, advocate for the Marshall Parkway interchange, especially as it provides relief to Gatlin Boulevard and Becker Road interchanges and more travel options for Port St. Lucy residents and businesses. and then also to further analyze the effects of the developer proposed road from Martin County, including transportation, economic development, and quality of life implications and potential developer contributions to the transportation network. And I would also like to make the motion to give the city manager authority to begin discussions with the developer and potentially negotiate those connections. >> You have a second. >> I'd also like to add to that. >> Okay. to explore having a second option into the Martin County property. >> I will I will amend my motion to include that. Council in Pickicket >> and I'll second. >> Okay. Second. All right. I have a motion and a second. Any final discussion? >> Um >> Shannon. >> Yes. >> Workshop informal. Um because they're being all lumped >> and I'm for one or two of them but not all three. Um, I will be saying no only because they're all being lumped into one motion. >> Okay. >> Any any final discussion? >> Can we have a roll call vote, please? >> Councilman Picket. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Mayor Martin. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Councilman Bonnet. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Vice Mayor Carbalo? >> Yes, ma'am. >> Councilman Morgan? >> No, ma'am. Second recommendation. >> Oh, okay. We have one more. Sorry. >> These are the policy recommendations. Those were the specific ones. >> Okay. So, as to the policy recommendations, uh, as stated, continue to require road rights of way be dedicated with initial development approvals and time certain for dedication. Require roads be constructed earlier in the development time frame with specific delivery dates tied to construction phases rather than pursuant to trip counts. And uh so those are the two main ones and then pursue additional land baking where possible for transportation, parks, preserves and other infrastructure needs. Is there a motion? >> I move we adopt the recommended policy u proposals. >> Second. >> Okay, I have a motion and second. Any final discussion? All those in favor? >> I. Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you so much for that great presentation. >> Thank you very much. Right, we are at 10 o'clock. So, we are at our break point. So, we'll be back in 15 minutes. Okay, we're back from break and now we are going to hear from our famous captain infrastructure. Take it away, Colt on our capital project. >> Uh good morning all council members, mayor, city manager, residents. Uh appreciate the introduction, but I'm really up here just to introduce the real heroes of our team, which would be Mr. Tom Salvador, Antonio Ballisteri, and then after that we'll have Mr. Peter May and Lewis Johnson presenting some storm water. Um then we'll also have Mr. Clyde Cuffy giving you an update on our developer obligated roadways and statuses there. And then Mr. Salvador will get to close it out again for us on the payment plan, let alone have another presentation later in the afternoon for half sales tax. So hope you all are ready for a lot of public works because we got a lot of information to provide you. >> We're ready for you. And you know what council? Well, I think we need a nickname for Mr. Salvador. >> Since Since we've removed ties, I was wondering where their capes. That's what I was going to ask. Where's your capes? >> Oh, yeah. Since they're heroes, >> please please don't. Please don't. >> No. Well, to be fair, Colt gave himself his the name. So, but >> but it was it was a great name. So, >> all right. We like to have a little bit of fun here. >> Yeah, definitely. Um, again, Thomas Salvador Public Works. Good morning, Madame Mayor. Vice Mayor, members of council, all those in attendance. As Colt alluded to, the heroes of public works, heroes of the department, everybody who works for you in this entire city is should be considered a hero, including all the teams who back us up. I may be standing here, but there's many people behind me who are incredibly dedicated and committed to providing quality products for the citizens of Fort St. Lucy. So, I just I don't want that to go unnoticed. >> Absolutely. You're 100% correct. >> And and as we move on, we'll move into some of those projects here. It's not all of them, but it's just a a sampling, if you will. A shakuderie of projects. >> Nice. >> I don't think the board is big enough. >> I know Stephanie's brain's going right now, like, hm, what can I come up with here? >> I was going to say >> the board isn't big enough for the chur. >> All right, so let's kick it off with something that I think we're all very happy to look and see and uh smile upon. Port St. Lucy Boulevard, segment 3, Gatlin to Darwin, 100% construction completion. Thank goodness. >> We are only dealing with paperwork. >> We're only dealing with paperwork on the back end, but construction's done. So, let's let's celebrate the the wins when we can get them. >> Yes. >> Um the silver lining has finally found its end. So, there it is. Happy. Happy. Um East Torino Parkway roundabout. Another one completed and the turn lane completed. I know everyone who visits that area has found that it is a wonderful improvement and the residents are very happy with it and the artwork is fantastic. If you haven't been up there, please make sure to take a drive-thru because the pictures don't do it justice. >> Excuse me. >> Yes. >> One added little and it's not us. If the school district would move the school bus stop because it clogs the roundabout and cars are around it waiting for them to let off students. Please hear me now, Dr. Prince. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Relay the message. >> All right. Floresa Drive phase three. Our third phase of the long running project for Floresa is well underway. We are on schedule currently with a roadway section preparing to open up here in probably April, May. Um, a short section will open, another section will close, but that is like completely open except for final lift of asphalt, curb, sidewalk, gutter, uh, sod landscape. I mean, this thing is going to look beautiful, almost like it's completed. So, we're really happy to see it moving along and making pace. Uh, so far, no hiccups. Let's keep our fingers crossed. >> Awesome. >> St. Lucy West Boulevard and Peacock Boulevard, 70% complete. Uh, they are continuing the work there. Uh they are trying as best they can to get everything done as soon as possible. Um as with most projects, unknowns happen and unforeseen happen, but we're still moving our way through that. Tulip and College Park, the long- aaited project there is underway since Port Sty Boulevard had ended. Again, we held off on doing that one because we didn't want to cause too much of a disturbance with all the traffic. Uh well underway. Things are moving forward currently and we expect to see some completion in fall of 26. Great. >> Gatlin, Savona intersection improvements. Another location that is very important and I kind of like to piggyback off the previous presentation where we talked about studies and looking at things and how things can change over time. When the project first kicked off, there was the, you know, the design and the idea of what we should do there. But as we've seen with the explosive growth growth, excuse me, that there should be some uh there can be some additional improvements that will ultimately help us in the long run. So, right now we're in discussions to look at a revise in the design um and talking to the Department of Transportation about what that would look like. >> Great. We know that this is a very heavily congested intersection and there are many many residents who are waiting for us to do something at this uh intersection. >> Yeah. And not too fine a point on it, it if we had if we did what we thought we were going to do or what was designed originally, it may not have been the best benefit to the residents long term. So having the ability to take that step back, look at things holistically, and make a change, although it may take a little longer to get there, it's going to provide a greater value long term. So I just think it's really important to always remember that when we're dealing with these projects throughout the city because of our growth and because of how we originally designed. >> Thank you very much for highlighting that. It is very important to state. Yes. >> Hey Tom, when we do um the Gatlin Savona, we're going to address the storm water issues in that area. I believe there's where where are you at? Which location are you? Uh >> Savona going to California. >> Savona going north. Yeah, >> we have the design working up to the first intersection uh the second intersection, excuse me, to the north. So, anything that's dealt with on the sides with sidewalks, you'll get curb and gutter, you'll get drainage. >> Okay. All right. Thank you. >> And we'll take another look at it just to make sure, but I I wasn't aware of that location, so I'll put it in my bank. Now I think you're referring to the Okamik stormwater project >> which is which ties into >> whole other thing because this only goes a couple intersections north of Savona Gatlin. So the Oakmik project is an entirely different water poly project that they're going to be bringing for you here after I get off the the DS. I'm not really good at speaking to it since it's not my road. Par Savona and Par Darwin roundabouts design is 100% complete. We're in the property acquisition phase. So currently that is the deciding factor on when we'll get to construction that's moving forward at a pretty good clip as well. So from all all signs are pointing to yes. >> So how much um property acquisition did we need? >> If you have a ballpark >> it's basically the four corners at each location. Um in some locations it's just the clip enough to get the the size of the roundabout and the improvements to fit and some others I know there's been talk about acquiring a little more to kind of save more green space and preserve more land. >> Okay. Beayshore Boulevard well underway. The design is uh nearly complete. We've got a little ways to go here to fall 2026. I say nearly complete because we're at the point where it's really fleshed out. You're starting to see what it's going to look like. You've got the basis of design. The residents are aware and we're going to start moving into property acquisition phase for anything that is needed so that we can get ahead of the game prior to construction. >> Okay. So, can we as a council uh uh Jesus see what that looks like because you're talking about property acquisition and um I know when the public engagement meeting was put on, there were some questions about the property acquisition and what would be needed and I think it would just be important for us to know what exactly is needed from a property acquisition standpoint because there was some concern from residents. So we we would be able to speak to it better when we're asked the question. So that would be really helpful. >> Provide a list of what those um especially with the design being almost complete would know exactly what clips we need. So we'll provide that information. >> Great. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Yeah, it's now it's not speculative. You kind of know where you're going. So it helps to to know that. >> Uh California Boulevard phase one. As you know, uh staff went to Bloomberg Harvard on the procurement. Uh I never get it right for procurement information from to learn how to do better procurement um with our partnership. Um right now we're waiting for a start on that. Uh what we have is going into design build versus a design bid build. So we've we're trying to learn and our staff is trying to learn, you know, how that process works and how to do it correctly. And that's that's a new thing for our group. Um so it's just taking a little lead time to get into it, but as we do, we will be delivering on that product coming forward. Okay, Savona Boulevard Planning and Conceptual Design. This is the feasibility study that collect that's collecting the data on what we should be doing out there, what we can do, and what you want to do. Um, we're going to bring that before you as soon as it's complete, and we'll run you through all those options similar to what you went through earlier this morning with the Marshall Parkway. >> Great. >> St. Lucy West Boulevard, same exact thing. Studies underway. We're getting there. Uh, we should be having deliverables here shortly to bring forward and show you. Here are our options. these are what they're going to do and this is the improvements that it can make and this may be some of the things that will not happen so we don't you know have the pie in the sky attitude of it's going to fix everything what are the pros what are the cons and how's it going to pan out >> and that's also being done with our friend Kakwan who was up here just a moment ago >> great >> uh East Torino Parkway another one under study to get the data we don't want to just go out again and widen the road if we don't have to if we can make some minor improvements roundabouts turn lanes this sort of thing we can save a lot of money and get bigger bang for our buck So having the data uh to support our actions in the future is exactly what we want to have. It helps when you when you talk to the residents and for us to bring it forth to you folks. Southbend Boulevard, it's another one. All of these are underway. These studies are going going. So although you may not see construction happening, we are in the planning phase and that is very important uh for all of these projects. So I just again I keep reiterating it's so important to have the data. Marshall Parkway and I95 interchange. I don't know anything about that. I've never heard about it. >> Good morning everybody. Antonio Bster, division manager for traffic operations. Just want to say quick quick note to uh city manager comments about roundabouts earlier. Not to take away the momentum, but uh we've we've seen so much like we always see the expression in residents faces when we explain why we're really focusing on roundabouts. Uh and when we explain that it's 90% safer than traditional um you know intersections all of a sudden you know they get it and it's a big deal. So just wanted to make that comment that we're seeing that in all our public outreach. So Marshall Interchange I think we've talked about it a lot this morning. There's obvious consensus to continue to advocate for this intersection and uh we knowing that this was a very um important asset we started this uh study last year. We now have a document that we're going to continue uh with our momentum and and speak with FDOT and get this going as part of a formal request. So this is the focused study from the wider annexation study. This is focused on the Marshall interchange and we're going to move that forward. >> Excuse me. >> Yes. So at the December TPO meeting, DOT did a presentation and showed two or three scenarios for the interchange and the TPO voiced which one that they were forced. So isn't that it's pretty much advanced from this point? So there was simultaneous um efforts you know this past year uh the TPO did a separate study with their consultant Cordino uh KDson did our study and so both um reports are are they've come up with very similar results and the actual the arrangement of the interchange whether it's a full interchange I think that's what you're talking so if it's a full interchange or if it's a westonly interchange a braided or a T interchange all those um need to be evaluated regardless as part of the FDOT's PD&E study. So um if if there is some discussion the council wants to do about you know uh specifics and uh any desires as a group this is you know we could do that now or there'll be another opportunity I think as part of the PD study that FDOT is going to be conducting to really dig into the details. So I can pause here if if you want to go into that. >> Well and Anton Tony if I can add here. Um, I think part of the question, uh, Councilwoman Morgan, is, you know, why are we doing our study when TPO did theirs? We were trying to attack it from all angles to make sure this project gets implemented because there was a times we weren't sure if the TPO was going to include it. We've since gotten them to include it. Another benefit of us doing this feasibility study from past discussions with DOT, if we do the feasibility study, we can turn that over to them and that allows them to do the interchange justification report and the PD&E study concurrently to try and help speed up the process. >> Right. >> Yes. >> I was going to say and and right there, Cole, when you said these these studies, Tom, are important, I think people might think the data is like optional. They might say, "Why are you spending money on getting data? That's stupid." Um, I understand that sentiment. I I before I was on the council, I used to see that. But Colt just stated exactly why we do studies is in order for us to apply for these um projects, in order for DOT to take a serious move up on the list or complete um certain application processes, we have to do these studies. And I and I want to make sure that the residents know that >> we're not doing studies just to study. >> Correct. We're doing studies because they have to be shovel ready for us to get funding. >> Well, yeah. And the justification has to be there because if the justification is not there, then DOT is not going to program it and DOT is not going to spend money on it. >> That's correct. >> Regardless of whether we have local funds to contribute or a developer has funds to contribute, uh they have to be able to state that it's needed and um in partnership with us. >> Correct. And in addition to that, most there's very little grants and very little uh funding opportunities from the state or the federal government to actually do studies. Sometimes you're lucky enough like on the federal side, we do have the raise grant that we were able to get some funding for on village green. Thank you to uh Congressman Mast. Um but you know, the reality is there's very little dollars for the they want you to invest first for the study and then they'll they'll build construction or they'll help you with construction. Madame Mayor just to add to the conversation I think there are four critical components here that Marshall now is becoming to be one of those special project for our city. If you look at um Gatlin which we all know Becca road cross town St. Lucy West St. Lucy West is associated with the interchange but it's St. Lucy West is one of those critical roads that we've already identified that that is a major roadway that we need to expand. So to me St. Lucy West and Marshall almost become an equal because if you have a gridlock between should um Gatlin cross town and Beckaro what happens to the whole west >> and we're we're talking about this today think about what's going to be five years 10 years from now if you look at tradition it's going to become a gridlock until that interchange gets built >> right >> so to me that that needs to be one of our major priorities both St. Lucy West and Marshall. >> And Madame Mayor and Antonio, to your question, I believe it was the braided intersection that you and I spoke about um that helps um from creating more congestion and helps um move the traffic a little better. Am I correct? >> Reducing congestion like a continuous flow. Yes. >> So, if we were to advocate for one, that would be the one I would like to advocate for. Um if if DOT could build it that way, that'd be great. >> So, the TPO has all the scenarios. I think you can still watch the December meeting. I don't know if you were there or not, but um and there was a consensus for that. >> So, it was it it showed all of the scenarios. It was very good presentation. >> Thank you, Councilwoman Morgan. I wasn't there. Um I wasn't unable to be there. I was actually in Tallahassee for the city. Um but you know I do understand the TPO does make recommendations and also um approves those things but the city also has to approve and provide our recommendations from the city perspective. So I do think that having both perspectives is important. So thank you for that. Was that the one that was chosen because I wasn't at the TPO meeting in December either. >> Um I I think um I'm not sure if there's one specific one that was chosen. called to you. >> Correct. At this stage, it has not specifically been chosen. That would be chosen during the PD&E and the design stage, but their, you know, preferences go a long way in the PD. And then to the vice mayor's point, if we're in alignment with the TPO, it even helps that out as well, too, because another way I kind of like to look at it is a continuous flow is similar to a roundabout where it keeps the traffic moving at all times instead of creating stopgo scenarios with traffic signals and should be less maintenance going forward as well too because how often do we have to work on our traffic signals which is basically daily as Antonio could tell you. Stephanie, did you have something? It >> I was just trying to jog Dave's memory. My work husband. >> I remember I remember us talking about it and I remember us choosing one, but the exact one we chose. remember >> it was um it was a >> but we had a very we had a very lengthy discussion about Marshall Parkway interchange and and >> I do remember um at the same time Jill Morasa got up and spoke about um >> the the connection >> the Martin County interchange and and how those two could interconnect u but >> I mean the more information that we have to be able to present to DOT the better off we're going to be and and the more hopefully the quicker the project will get done based on based on the data that they have. So I'm not against what you guys are doing. So drive on. >> So as we move forward in the process discussing the Marshall Parkway interchange if we can just have a presentation Jesus for the whole council. I think it would be beneficial since vice mayor and I were not able to be at the December TPO and of course Councilman Bon is not on the TPO. So it's it's important for the whole council. can ask Peter to come provide us a presentation if you like that. >> Uh I don't know that we need to do it now or or when we get further along in the process. It's I don't know how long it would take to do now if you have it. If you don't have it now, it's okay to I think it's okay to wait. >> We can recharge. >> Yeah. Let's not interrupt the flow here. >> Okay. All right. Well, um there's we, you know, appreciate the the focus on this because uh there's obviously pros and cons to the different uh arrangements. >> So, we'll we can flush those all out and not rush that. Um, and I think just as a as a nuance, obviously part I think a big part of that conversation is going to be um deciding if uh it's going to be a a westonly interchange and you know at that point obviously um sure >> the braided side probably makes more sense in terms of ideally uh with reducing congestion. Okay. So, uh, just to, I guess, close out this slide then, um, we are planning for the worst case scenario that FDOT, um, is going to require us to fund the PD&E study. Um, hopefully that's not the case, but one of the other reasons why we did this study in advance was uh, we were informed that it could potentially allow the um, interchange justification report and the PD&E to occur simultaneously, right? And obviously we're trying to do everything as fast as possible and expedite everything. So um we're able to uh to present that plus the TPO study plus the annexation study trying to attack it from all angles. Uh as Colt said, it's really I think um we at the city know everything that's coming down the pipeline before everybody else. And I think this last year has been so a lot of coordination and communication with the other agencies for them to see really see what we are what's happening and and in the city and and what's coming down even uh outside of the boundaries. So this having to prepare for these studies and have all those platforms and communication is is really um beneficial in that sense. Okay. Um so in advance of Marshall interchange happening we have more control over this intersection tradition parkway and village parkway um the uh original scope of this project was to look at or introduce protected intersections from a safety standpoint for pedestrians and cyclists. There was an analysis done as well. Uh that was presented to council and um the consensus was you know to really look at uh going back and uh finding out other improvements that could be done, the cost of those improvements and um what could really help uh reduce traffic delays and congestion at this intersection. U I'm happy to say that we're supposed to be getting 90% plans completed with left turn lane extensions, additional lanes for right turns, um which we are going to end up, uh bringing back to council as well, um to go over that. So um uh we this I think uh it'll be probably uh sometime we're going to we're going to work through that in terms of timing, but the goal is to get this keep this moving. It'll act like a bit of a um some sort of band-aid, if you will, before the the interchange if it occurs. So, this is something that we really feel strongly about will help traffic. >> Mhm. >> This absolutely is a priority. Yeah. I mean, I don't I don't care what time of day you're out there. I mean, of course, rush hour is the worst, and I've been out there several times, >> but all all day, every day, there's a lot of traffic out here. >> Yeah. And we did have a public outreach in August. We wanted to be respectful of residents uh away for the summer and uh so as soon as everyone was back and schools back in place, we uh we had the public outreach. We got uh different opinions uh feedback which we were actually able to go back and bring to the design team and uh and incorporate those into the into the final design. So we're looking forward to presenting those to council and uh getting everyone's input. This I know we're going to get to the developer funded later, but this also highlights uh why North South A is so critical because coming from the west in this area, >> there's only one way in and that's through Tradition Parkway. So, uh it's it's it's vitally needed to get North South A connected. >> Mayor, >> yes. Um while we when we do the uh tradition inter uh intersection improvements, are we looking at um timing of of those stop lightss there? Because it makes no if you can move more traffic off Gatlin onto um village if that stoplight's red. >> Yeah. So we've actually engaged a timing engineer, a traffic engineer specializes in in those in synchronization and coordination plans. Um, we are going to be doing uh timing and coordination along the entire corridor for village from Becker all the way to cross town as well as the cross town corridor. That's where we're starting from. Uh, knowing that that's probably the most um highest priority at this point. Um, so yeah, it's definitely going to be a huge huge part of this. Um, and we're coordinating with the two design teams accordingly because when you get the uh westbound uh right turns, they continue straight up and they'll hit the median street intersection and then you'll have queuing on Meeting Street. It's actually imperative that we make sure to coordinate these signals. So, yeah, absolutely. Good point. >> Yeah, >> Madame Mayor. >> Yes. >> Can I ask a question about the timing? Um, so recently when we were at the TPO and you guys were in the audience, there was this really cool idea that was brought forward that a youth uh was developing AI timing that was real time so to speak. I'm not trying to say that he's inventing something that might already be out there, but I'm I'm wondering um even though we converted all of our signalization and our timing to a certain software to a certain company, I know years ago, and that took some time to do, um is there newer software or is there newer designs or um equipment that we currently don't have that does like timing on a real time basis already? >> So, great question. Let me back up a bit. So the the the group that came to talk, we've actually already had them at uh at Dwire and um a really really nice uh efforts that they're doing. I think it's great for students to to learn about what's going on there. A funny story is when uh uh we were presenting uh the stuff that we do, one of the students got up and said, "They don't need us. They already are doing all this stuff." So um yeah, we're always looking and monitoring the technology that we have and and it is there is an evolution going on. We are having to replace things um and we're constantly um you know troubleshooting and and learning and and improving. So uh you know there's stuff going on in different cities. We're looking at different cities what they're doing. We're comparing notes. And I'd say we're probably uh I don't I want to say at the forefront, but like we're definitely up there in what we're doing. We're pushing trying to use adaptive and adaptive. Um a lot of bells and whistles. So, you know, there's two parts to this, right? There's the bells and whistles and then there's making sure that uh um I keep using the analogy of uh you know, tires on a car. You still need the tires to work and be in good condition to to be able to use the bells and whistles. So, we're we're trying to do two things. we have to upgrade some of our old infrastructure to be able to um use the new technology which we're doing. So yeah, we're we're we're pushing it and it's going to continue to evolve. you know, we're even coordinating with the police department in terms of using um more technology and AI with our cameras and um but yeah, it's >> that's great just because I know that there was significant investment in the timing, the smart signalization that we did and you know, sometimes I know through my experience working with it and all the other stuff that the city does, sometimes those softwares that you might be using aren't updating and you might have to go to a new software or And I don't know how the rest of the council feels, but I just want to let the manager know. Um, for myself, I really feel if there's a pilot program that you think that needs to come forward, if there's new technology that's going to address some of these main corridors and issues immediately, please don't hesitate to I would love for you to bring it forward um for discussion for the board so we can be um on top of that as much as possible because it is the number one concern for the residents. >> Yeah. Um, if I may add in here, >> please do. >> One thing that I think uh we had a silent win on, and by silent win is, you know, no news is good news. Well, this uh traffic consultant Antonio was referring to studied Becker Road. And what they recommended and we implemented was a time of day signal coordination. And by that I mean most signal coronations are based off of the peak hours, AM and PM peak hours. And so that can cause some unwanted congestion during middle of day operations where we won't have the necessary east west heavy traffic flow. So what this consultant actually did was analyze the traffic for all day long and set up five different scenarios that go in sync depending on the time of day. And so we're looking at that with what Antonio was saying on Village Parkway and Cross Town and Gatlin because yes, we do have this adaptive that is very similar to the AI, but it's only constrained or it is constrained to that corridor. So it can't really see what's coming from the north and south. >> So what we're looking at doing, and our consultant's going to tell us if it'll work or not, is >> maybe during certain times of the day, we go to a signal coordination to help relieve the traffic. Then when we're not in those heavy peaks, we go back to adaptive so it can adjust. So to the point, yes, we are more than willing and wanting to look at all this different type of technological innovation, but we're going to look at it from every single angle. >> Appreciate that. Thank you. It's interesting that you bring up Becca Road and and the timing because if anyone's out on Becca Road at rush hour and either in the morning or in the afternoon, uh the backups are extremely considerable. When you have um so many cars trying to get to 95 in the morning and it's backed up all the way to Port St. Lucy Boulevard, that's a very long stretch of backup. So, um, you know, and so it's Becker Road's going to have to be looked at again, too. And I don't know if there's any more space out there for for widening or not. Um, I don't know that there is, but you guys can tell whether or not there is. >> Uh, we're pretty much built out right away. Right away, it's practically at the back of the sidewalk. >> Well, that's really important to note and to say publicly because there are people out there that are saying, "Oh, make it eight lanes, right?" But we know that if there's no more spacing, there's no way that that can happen. Um, so but it it is an issue. So we have to try to figure out ways to address it. And definitely when you have no more capacity, right, then you have to go and look at the timing of the traffic signals. So thank you for that. >> Yeah. Yeah. So that so Becker was basically our pilot for the timing um re in recent years anyways. So we can look at and see that it was working. So, we're expanding that uh program and I'll definitely have some updates on that one. And um I think I go to the next speaking of technology. Um good segue for our preeemption efforts. So, uh this is a a bit of a joint effort. Uh we've been collaborating with um our IT department who's been uh really great. um they're paving the way in front of us with uh making sure that all our remaining signals are connected to the fiber network and uh so they'll they'll definitely be done way ahead of us. We are currently our vendor is programming the new devices and so we expect to get them about four weeks and our contractors lined up to uh to go in and get them start the installation. Um they know this is something that uh we want to do and it's priority and so they're going to do best efforts to to try to get done as soon as possible. So, um, definitely before the end of the year for sure. Uh, that's what they promised us and, uh, they're going to push to try to get that sooner than later. >> Madame Mayor, on this, I want to just let you guys know, I experienced this the other day, myself and my husband driving, um, communications, if you could um, they really need to do a informative to the public about this new signalization. My, we're sitting there and my husband's like, the light had just gone green, then it immediately went red and he was like, "What just happened?" And he was like, "Why the light go red?" I said, "There's an ambulance coming." He's like, "How do you know that?" I'm like, "Cuz I know that." And so two seconds later, an ambulance came through. Um, you know, I knew that because I knew what we approved, but I just want to make sure that we're communicating to the residents that if this happens, you know, at least be vig vigilant, too, because, you know, I could say, "Look behind you. You're going to have an ambulance coming. See if you can make room because it's stopped." So, >> we should definitely do a PSA about it for sure. So from an educational standpoint, >> Shannon, I believe the fire district already has that that maybe they could share. >> Yeah, >> that they have that about the preeemption lights. >> Y >> that would be great. And you know what? They need to put that out on social media more. >> Yes. And and we've had conversations about Well, I've had conversations with the chief about um upping the social media presence and I know we just got a new PIO there, but definitely needs to happen. >> Yeah. So there so we've coordinated with the priority corridors uh with the fire district. Uh when we went started coordinating this with them um we went through the presentations and it there has actually an app that they use which I'm sure um some of you are aware of that actually if you have it on your phone it'll tell you something's going on um whether it's a fire truck or an ambulance. But I think um yeah, some of our challenges have been also trying to educate uh that this will most likely cause a lot of congestion, but it's for the greater good in terms of safety and trying to uh you know, keep not just the our uh emergency personnel safe um but also, you know, trying to get response times and and get get to people's homes in emergencies. So, it's uh it is what it is. But um yeah, so we're we're getting this we're getting this done. >> Great. Okay. >> Any questions on this part of the presentation? >> No. All right. Move on to storm water. Good morning. >> Hi. Good morning, mayor, council, residents, and everyone else. I'm Peter May. I'm with the stormwater division and public works. I'll be speaking on the storm water cip infrastructure projects, giving you an update on those. Uh the first project we'll talk about is the D11 canal improvements project. This project is being built in concurrence with the Floresa phase 3 project. Uh the project right now is approximately 30% complete. There began at the canal outfall into the St. Lucy River. Uh there was a little bit of dredging that went on as a separate portion of project because there was some access uh problems for some of the residents there with their uh boats and whatnot. So that portion of the project is complete and we're progressing upstream as as the project um continues and that should be completed probably by um this portion of the project it it's it's tied in with floresa phase three but it will be completed well before that project. Uh this project SWW1 rehab this was completed last year. Um, it's working out pretty well so far. There were a few little kinks with some of the SCADA since it was a cloud-based system, but they've got that all worked out from my understanding. The next project we'll talk about is the Hawkman Slooh storm water treatment uh area design and permitting. We're in right now about 70% or 75% complete with that. We're getting in for permits probably the end of this month and hopefully have all our permits by the end of May if everything works out okay with that. Um we don't have anything uh for construction yet on that. But this is also going to be tied in with the HPS60 project which is being designed concurrent with this um which is the next slide and I'll talk about that. Oh actually I think I I can just talk about it. I guess it was pulled out of that slide, but the HPS60 structure uh that's adjacent to US1, we are going to try to get that under construction late this summer. Um and it should take about a year to complete that project. So, we'll look forward to getting that underway. And um this next project we'll talk about, this was just completed. This is the Whitmore Drive baffle box. It's just up the way here. that was completed in the end of uh November. We are having some little tie-ups or not t-ups but a closeout and that's about it. We have the the grants tying up those and u otherwise that project is complete. It worked out pretty nicely. You see a picture of it there. That's actually the project with an aerial review. Uh the next project once again we're going to phase three. These are the two baffle boxes that are being constructed with that project. The first baffle box is at the uh D10 and that's already been installed, but the other work around it is still being completed. The pipes and and other work, the roadway work, all that that u infrastructure still being put into place. The D8 canal is just upstream just to the north of that and that will be happening once the roadway work gets to that point and they start working on that which should be in the near future my understanding wershed and B improvements this is the we have three water control structures and actually there's four and that next slide I believe is the fourth one this would be the A16 A17 A18 structures The A7 16 and 17 structures have been the the sheet piles have been installed. U some of the site work this is the ones adjacent to Sawrass Lakes community right off par >> and uh so the the sheet piles have been installed for those two structures. None of the roadway work none of the Culver's crossing have been completed yet. uh the A18 structure which is over by the turnpike canal or the E3 canal that there's just very little work that's happened there. They're waiting on some of the some of the components that they need for that that still don't have the sheet pile, a lot of the other stuff they don't have, but they've done the the conduit interconnects with A19 structure to the south. Um and that project's going pretty well so far and should be probably completed by the end of the the end end of this year. Once again, I was talking about the A14 that's being built along with those other structures. This is going along pretty well. This is further ahead of the other ones. Uh they actually just capped the the sheep pile here this last week. I think they only have a little bit of that left to do and they are in the process of removing the old structure at this time. So that should be completed ahead of the other three structures. So that should be completed hopefully by summer. This is the big project here. This is the Oakamic Watershoot U improvement project. Right now we're in the procurement process. Uh we just received proposals for that. So it's in the evaluation process right now. So hopefully we get this under design by a little you beginning of fall, beginning of fall with the planning, design and and then ultimately with the permitting and then construction will probably start uh probably looking at 20 late 28 would be getting under construction or early 29 and then that would be ultimately completed by uh 34 is what we're estimating at this time. >> Okay. So we can't wait till 2034. Right. >> We can't wait till 2028 for design either. So, there's something's got to be done here. I don't know whether it's design build or or what, but >> I mean, >> we'll go ahead and evaluate. >> Okay. >> Get back. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> Okay. Great. >> Uh the next project we're going to discuss is the LCAM basin improvement project. This is LCAM the entire stretch of the canal. There's uh sediment removal detritus as they call it. Um a lot of bank stabilization. There's some three control structures that need to be replaced. Two of them are in really bad condition. The other one just needs some repairs for this one to the east. The other two are outdated and need to be replaced and entirely reconfigured. So that will be um a pretty expensive project too or this project with all of the the limits probably put in some bank stabilization features within there where we have some access issues and we estimate to start that we're going to get this into procurement hopefully within the next few months and then get started by October is what we're estimating right now and then completing it sometime at the end of uh fiscal year 29. I already spoke on this a little bit. This the Hog Pens Slooh Water Control Structure APS60. Um once again, yeah, hopefully get that started for construction sometime beginning of the summer and then finish that in about a year, a little less than a year. Uh this is the E8 canal improvements. This is uh up north of um Gatlin. This is from Tampico to the control structure and then back to the tie-in. It's basically a rip wrap project. We have access issues to get in where we can we can't really maintain this properly because of fences right up to the top of bank. Uh so we have a lot of canal bank failures. You can see in the bottom portion it's kind of a indicative of what we've seen along this canal um in certain areas. So we are going to start that here very shortly. We actually have this was just approved recently to go under construction. So that should start with pre-construction probably next month and then moving forward on that and that will take about a year or so to complete that portion. There's other portions of that ultimately that'll be working on afterwards but uh this next phase will be starting soon and this is the last one accelerate swell and covert program. Um this is I don't know you want to talk about this one. >> Good morning. >> Morning. >> I just want to uh give you a brief update on two programs that we're actually um instituting. One is the the swell accelerating program and also the residential cover program for our residents. Uh basically what we did is in in the public works department is that we actually created a loan program to assist residents in the aspect of replacing their coverts. Uh currently within this program uh we have currently vetted five residents and that have signed agreements to actually move forward in the process. Uh secondly, we have four additional uh residents as a whole that's being vetted and making sure they they actually can proceed in the process as well. Additional we have 20 property owners that's actually being vetted as well and they're and their uh properties are being uh pending upon approval as we move forward to try to get those residents vetted as well. staff will continue to coordination with the homeowners to make sure we streamline the process to the point that we can get each and everyone vetted and moving forward through the process. Uh when we began the process, it started out kind of slow, but seems like the word is actually getting out there now. Excuse me. And um individuals are starting to sign up for the loan program. Um, >> Madame Mayor, as we do with the utilities that we provide you a memo every quarter, we'll go ahead and start doing the same thing so you can stay aware of how many are coming through and how many are being processed. >> Okay. >> Um, >> I was going to say maybe you could just give us a more detailed report at the July workshop and um as opposed to memos. >> That's fine. if you want a presentation >> council how you feel but this way we have a broader view instead of having to do memos all the time and then wondering if we're there's so many memos that come out >> I think it's more worthy of like a presentation like you know just >> all right we'll get into the details of that one thank you >> thanks >> and as I move move on to the accelerated program for our swell uh our maintenance program uh currently uh we have the uh 1,00 500, excuse me, 1,3001 PSLs is outstanding for the residents. Uh, new construction, we have about 1,600 and also natural swells, we have about uh 308 natural swells that actually needs line of replacement. Um, as we evaluate re-evaluate the program, we want to try to look at how we can expedite this area. One of the things we wanted to try to do is is try to look seek some funding that would actually give us the opportunity to hire more contractors to help expedite the construction aspect of it as far as moving forward to help accelerate the program. And hopefully with the additional funding, we can pretty much end up um taking care of all of the one PSLs, all of the new home construction, and al all of the natural swells, which is about uh 3, uh 334 total to complete. And if we complete those, we could probably get those done in about three years with the additional accelerated to help us accelerate the program with the funding. That's very important. It's really important to be able to do that. We've been talking about this for a long time. You know, we had the delay when we changed the program, but then realized that we really needed to add it back. So, whatever we can do to accelerate it, we do need to make it a priority for sure. >> Madame Mayor, >> yes. >> Um, Mr. City Manager, I know that uh budget is obviously changing. Stephen, I know budget is changing, but if we get our estimate in and then our estimate has an excess and we always have a sometimes we have a small amount of excess and then the city manager gives the options to select of what other projects in July that we would like to use that for. I would like this added to that list so we could review in July. Um, and because it's one of those numbers that we might just have close to what we need to fund it if the council so chooses to with all the other priorities we're going to have to look at. Yeah. We can't keep kicking it down the road. We have to make sure that we're um getting this done. It's been a long time coming since the change that we made. >> I I would like to try to get a grant for it. I just wonder because we're like the only city I think in Florida that has this SWIL type of program. I just wonder if we can get it to resonate with the state and the federal side to fund it. That's why it might have to come from our general fund. That's what I'm thinking. Right. >> Yeah. Mayor and Vice Mayor. Yes. That's um Kley for the record. That is something our team has looked at. I know we've worked with um the office of emergency management as well trying to see if we can and the public works department and and at Lewis's actually suggestion as has been really innovative and trying to figure out can we obtain funding for what's considered often maintenance which is a really difficult um category funding to obtain but we are looking at options and seeing if there's any way we can kind of innovatively package this because it is kind of a unique um challenge we have and the breadth of um of this system that we have it's and I think that's Kate you know I think it's one of those things where it's, you know, thinking of Senator Herold and her work with Everglades. Um, it just might be something that we want to present her on a global scale. She's probably obviously seeing the swailes throughout the years, but really working with her to for her to know that we're like the only city that's doing it this way and how it's helping move water and it's a kind of uh hallmark project that other city, Florida cities should adopt if they're able to, especially if they don't have underground. >> Very good point. We'll research further and see if there's a way to repackage and help to explain that. Thank you. >> Okay, >> that's it. >> All right. Thank you, council. >> Thank you. Before we move on to developer funded obligated, I want to bring up um another section. Cross Town Village Fair Green. It's not a project. We need to figure out how to make it a project. We have significant significant delays out there. Um, even as early as this morning, it wasn't just about the backups. It's the backups with they had some light timing issues, I guess, but >> um, looking at it, seems like there's a tech out there working on that. Um, but we really need to address >> that area and the turn lanes. I mean, I it's constantly um, coming up in conversation. >> I know it's going to come up when I go out to Vitalia next month. Um, it's it's come up with someone in Heritage Oaks. It's coming up with people from the Central Park area. We really need to address that intersection. And I know it's one of those where we could never have anticipated the growth out there, right? Um, especially with the Central Park community, but we need to get this in as a project to get addressed, whether it be from an application coming in. Um, and we know that um, somebody wants to develop a parcel out there, >> council, cuz I I I'm I'm aware that that might be one thing that is happening or or if not coming soon enough. We need to make sure we address that because it's just going to keep coming up and we keep we can't keep pushing that area down the road. There's just way too much growth out there. >> Madame Mayor and Council, I would like to just provide a brief update on that. uh we the team just met in regards to the tradition DRRI amendment and that I know that's been a concern for staff and for the council and we're at a place with our community partner um being madam that they will be moving that um receiving and extending the the lanes um of fair green and cross town with that tradition DRRi amendment they have agreed to to doing that. >> Okay. Um, since there is going to be some movement on that soon, I think we should have that application hopefully in front of us in April, late March, April. >> Correct. >> Madame Mayor, hold on a second. K. >> Uh, I was just going to give you an update. Antonio let us know that uh the staff out in the field determined that it was a pedestrian crosswalk button that was stuck and malfunctioning. It's been fixed, so they're monitoring to make sure it's working properly as can be for right now. >> Okay. >> Very cool. Go ahead. Sorry. Just before we close out storm water, um I know that obviously we're going to have a larger discussion in July. There has I I like the before and afters, but I do think that we the education piece is so important with storm water because the residents don't understand fully where the money goes to. So I was thinking when if we do any form of outreach and or video, it'd be to me it'd be interesting to look at the history of the city with the storm water. um basically like a from swamp to storm ready essentially. It might take a little bit of effort because you're going to have to go back and pull some old photos. But I do think pulling for example what US1 looked like in a storm which I'm sure there's a picture somewhere and what happened after EWHIP looking at Floresa which is even more recent what Floresa and the sections that have been completed what it was prior to that and underwater during a storm and what it looks like today and and we we live in a swamp and so I really think that we need to show that story. Port St. Lucy and a lot of Florida is in a swamp and we have to make us resilient and sustainable, livable and we have to be storm ready and so um I would really like to see that presented or something like that presented prior to the storm water presentation because I already know the city manager is going to ask for an increase in storm water because I'm sure he's told everyone that. Um but I really I to be comfortable with even discussing an increase with the board in the future and I even think Councilman Bana has brought this up um in the last in the last year. He really wanted to see the correlation of the importance of storm water, the projects that are outstanding, the projects that need to be done for him to feel comfortable. if I remember back then even um tell me if I'm wrong, Anthony, but I remember him really wanting to see a better benefit to why he should approve a storm water um an additional funding to storm water and so like him I do want to see a better story told um come July. >> Thank you. >> Okay. >> Good morning coffee public works. Uh this morning I just want to um bring you a um brief update on the developer funded um obligated projects, roadway projects. Uh so Cross Town Parkway um from um village to um Rangeline Road is pretty much complete as far as construction. Um we're going through the um process of um taking over this roadway obligation to the city um maintenance to the city. Um this developer is um providing us with the um closeout packages right now. uh Marshall Parkway uh Riverland portion um u from um parel B phase two uh that um portion is almost um fully constructed as well and um very soon we'll be um um the developer will be turning it over to the city excuse me discovery way at Riverland Parcel C phase 2 uh this portion is just starting construction it is from the Um the current um ending of Discovery Way to um North South A which would be um the new name for it is um Sundance Vista Boulevard and that's going to be under construction pretty soon. Uh they actually started clearing. Uh Sundance Vista at Riverland um takes from river um from um Discovery Way south to Marshall Parkway and that um is um near the start of construction as well. Sundance Vista which is being done by Matame um from um the south end of um Tradition Parkway to the new school that portion is under construction is a little past 50% now. Um you can see in the picture here the school is under construction as well going simultaneously with the roadway. >> So for clarification, North South A is Sundance Vista. >> Yes. >> Right. >> Yes. Yes. >> So we're no longer referring to North South A South A. It's called Sundance Vista. >> And another portion of Sundance Vista Boulevard um um by Mattme. This is um just south of Crossstone Parkway. Uh this portion takes it to the secondary access for um one of the Cadence um developments and that is um under design right now and it will soon be under construction as part of their um um development. Fernle Lake Drive um that's a connection that's been um highly anticipated. Um it's under construction as well. It is part of a development um of the Brenley development which is just um west of Fern Lake and that um should be completed um later this year. And one reason another reason why um Sundance Vista North South is so important especially near the school uh is not only for that connection to the school but south down to Discovery and also uh the fire district is planning for our next three fire stations and looking at the call volume and the calls for service. We're looking at Western Grove and looking at that location that is dedicated um right just below the school site. So in order to get that fire station going, we need to make sure we know that there's road access there. And as I may have mentioned before, it takes three to four years just to get an engine. And it takes two years, two to three years just to get some ambulance ambulance or two that are needed. So because we have such a um you know a long wait time for these um vehicles or this rolling stock, we need to make sure that we're planning properly comprehensively to for those road accesses so that when we need those fire stations that they can be open, you know, and get open, but they have to have the road in order to do so. So, you know, going back to that conversation about public safety is not just about specifically law enforcement or specifically fire, you need to have the roads in place and the infrastructure in order for these stations to get built so that the services can be provided. So, it's it's it's really important to make sure that we're getting these infrastructure projects done and these developers are doing what they need to do in order to get it done and working together and how we can facilitate getting them done faster as a result. >> Yeah. Madame Mayor, just a quick update. Uh we're active in negotiations with Madame on North A. As you know that the trigger for North A is not till 2830. So the city is looking at fronting some of the funding and get reimbursed back by the developer u within five years after the investment. So once we have something um inked up uh we'll go ahead and bring that to council for approval. >> Another reason why mobility fees are so important >> right to to be able to help us address issues like we are having right now with the fact that we have so much growth but the infrastructure is not in yet and how can we facilitate getting these things done faster. I think what's critical is that you also have that school coming in and just think about using Tradition Boulevard just to bring traffic in. It's going to be a nightmare bringing traffic in through Tradition Boulevard when you already have uh two other schools there. >> Right. And that another reason why the Firm Lake connection to West Cliff is so important as well. Absolutely. >> Because we need to have more than one in in in one way and out one way. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Thank you, Mayor. And um it's um sometimes Vista Boulevard and that's as um city manager just mentioned that's under um negotiation right now. Uh another um portion is the Westcliff Lane um the um from the current um the continuation of Westcliffe to um Sundance Vista, excuse me. that's also tied into uh construction of um the development just to the south of that roadway. Um Becca Road widening um from um Village Parkway to North South A which is the continuation of Community Boulevard and also um Discovery Way widening um between Village Parkway and Discovery um so between Village Parkway and Community Boulevard. Um those um triggers have been um we've actually notified the developer of those triggers um going through and so that's under negotiation as well um to get these roadways um um constructed or widened rather and um one other um roadway I didn't mention um which is to the north um um from the another developer that's just been completed um we have um the um from Glad Coff Road to um Wilder Parkway. Yes, thank you. Wild the Parkway was just completed from um to connect to um the north. So, we have that roadway in service right now as well. >> Um where are we with the FPNL getting power to the signalization at Marshall and Hegner? Um, Carl notified me that late last week the meter was in. So, they're working with the contractor to get that activated and put into flash mode. So, everything keeps going good. Once it's in flash mode, it'll be flash mode for two weeks and then go active. So, we're right around the corner. >> Great. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> Okay. Looks like we got Tom coming back up here. >> Flash, is that your name for him? >> Okay. Flash. That's you got >> as long as as soon as he gets the projects done in a flash, we'll give him that name. >> That's There you go. >> I don't have full control over that. There's a whole other system out there that kind of runs it, but the state >> You're pretty good at being in charge of it. >> You're the face of it. You own it. You got to own it. >> Very good. >> Yes. It's all my fault. Everything is my fault. Blame me. >> So, now you have a name. Now you have a nickname. You're a flash. >> Well, before even getting that nickname and walking up here, I plan on not walking up and going, "The roads need to be paved. They're getting paved. We're done. Thank you. Good day." >> I really was. I was in my head to say that. >> Yeah, >> that's very good. But >> all right. All right, it's been a little while since we've done an update to the paving resurfacing plan, but here we are. Uh, we were just waiting on our new data, which was collected last year. Uh, we got it all back in late last year and got all our new numbers. So, we're just presenting on uh changes, updates, and where we're going. >> Oh, wait. One question though. >> Go. We made promises to residents when we had the old numbers in, right? I just want to make sure that when we've told residents your roads getting repaved on at this time that those have been met even though we may have different numbers now. >> So if we follow the data every 3 years there will be a reshuffleling based on new data. Now what we have been doing throughout the life of the paving program is notifying residents when we talk to them. This is currently what it is. It may change due to budget. it may change due to new data. We always, always, always point that out and make sure that we're re relaying that to them because just because I say something's going to be paved in 10 years, if it needs to be paved next year and it's way worse than something else, why should I wait 10 years if it needs to move up? And conversely, if it's in a good amount of shape and something is way worse, why should we spend the money? I although we have a plan set up that says we'll be there. It it it loses it's it's almost diminishing returns with a 10-year plan. It's really nice to see where you're going to go in 10 years. The first three years are really what we should focus on because when the new data comes in, it does cause that reshuffleling. The first year is almost 100% guaranteed. Year number two, 90% because something may come up. A road may fail. A pipe may go down. You know, something will come up. It'll be brought to our attention. Year number three, you're at 85%. But right after that, your first year again, you're back at 100. Or the year as you get into it is 100. So every year as we update the plan, we're definitely doing the roads we tell you that year. Yeah. Well, we need to do a little bit better and making sure if we're making promises outside of other emergencies that we get things done when we say we're going to get them done because it has been a huge complaint. And I do understand it that we shouldn't say that yes, your road is scheduled and we're going to get it done. Especially for the people that have been waiting 10 or 15 years to get their roads done and then we say, "Oh, at that mark, well, you know what? This one's a little bit worse, so we're going to push you further down the road." We we really need to if we're going to say these things, we need to try to keep it as close as possible. Um because that's what we're about. If if we're telling you we're going to do it, we need to get make sure we're getting it done because otherwise we lose people lose faith and they lose trust and confidence in what we're saying and we can't afford to do that. So, okay. >> Just a quick question on the on on the repaving piece. The Rejuvenex, is that for repaving or just when the road is constructed? >> It's uh we use it for repaving because it's more for residential streets. You really don't want to put it on high-speed roadways. And most of our newly constructed roadways are high speed. So, it can become more of an issue talking with the vendor about, you know, where we should use it, where we shouldn't. We've used it on some 40 mph roads that have a lot of stopand go conditions because it's typical you're going a little slower, but we are not yet we don't consider it for new roads as part of the resurfacing program. It could be used, but I just I would be very wary unless something changes about putting it on high-speed roadways. >> So, for the internal residential streets, which I think is a lot of what um I'm assuming, Shannon, that's what you're talking about. >> Um are we currently utilizing that within our resurfacing program? And when is it applied? It's applied typically three years after we resurface the road. We come in and we spray the neighborhood that was done three years prior and it's it's it's scheduled out that way and budgeted out that way. And that funding actually comes from the resurfacing budget. So, it's part of the the entire uh plan >> and it extends the roadway by how much? You think >> it can it can extend the life of the roadway up to five years? If you do it twice, it can go 10. What we're we're to be honest, what we're running up against is budgetary funding, how everything's working out. Um, I really I am on the precipice of bringing forth the idea of maybe only doing one one uh treatment to be able to pull more money into resurfacing to keep the plan more on schedule because we haven't done it on any roads twice uh in any any major location. I may want to do one or two neighborhoods so we can see if it actually provides the value at two. We know it's doing it at one. We're seeing the roads deteriorate slower. We're watching the numbers drop slower. I mean, they're always going to drop, but they're not dropping, you know, off a cliff. So, seeing that is is promising. I'm just I I haven't seen it, and I don't believe it till I see it. So, I may do a couple of pilots just to check. >> Yeah. Yeah, I just think that whenever you get it sorted out, I think we do as we communicate the resurfacing part of the resident's road, we need to find a way to communicate the actual rejuvenex part of it as well, so they understand that we're still the maintenance that's being performed on the road may not be a brand new repaving, but we are providing continual maintenance to preserve the condition of the road. Um, and so I just I just really wanted to point that out. And then to the mayor's point, and I don't know if this is a strategy, this just me throwing it out. If for some reason we do have to push it back because we have a situation where you have a road that is critical, is there a consideration of can we rejuvenex the road that's being pushed back to make sure that while we're waiting to get the funding, that person's road isn't deteriorating further? Does that make sense? >> Yeah. Um the the the issue is that the rejuvenate works in the early stages of the pavement. it it doesn't work so much 20 years after the pavement's been down. It doesn't work so much 10 years after the pavement's been down. So, it really wouldn't bring that effect. There's other things we could do. We could look at microsurfacing, which is putting a thin layer of asphalt on the road. >> But in Port St. Lucy, every road that was built by GDC was built with soil cement base. Everyone who drives down the street sees cracks in the road. The cracks don't mean the road's falling apart. It just means the underlying uh structure has cracks in it and it reflects through the top. So it I could pave a road tomorrow and have cracks in the road in three weeks. I could have it in two days depending on what goes on on the road. It's because of what's underneath. To fix that is so expensive. We're looking at a we we have a project that's almost complete design right now in the Gatlin Pines area where we did all the geotechnical testing. We saw that the roads were bad. We have a design to go in and reconstruct the roads. We're over $2 million for a couple of streets where I can go in and pave for a couple hundred thousand. So, as we find these really bad areas where it's triage, it's like the hospital, which is your does your pinky hurt or is your head falling off? Which we need to take care of the the heads that are falling off first and and that's what we're using all the data for. >> Um, and again, Rejuvenate just it's it's good in the first three to six years. They really want you to use it in year one or two, but it does apply in three, and that's why we wait till three. Just it it extends the life. We've seen we've seen the roads drop slower. >> Perfect. Thank you. >> Okay. >> Um yeah, Mayor, I was just gonna lots of good comments. Um, I was just going to really reinforce what you were saying because it's so important is, you know, people can understand changes in a 10-year plan, but three years is um, you know, close enough that people think you ought to be able to foresee what might happen. And so, >> you know, it's it's really an issue of kind of trust in local u local government and trust in the institution. And so, you know, I I would I would only push things off within the three-year period if it's absolutely necessary, which I'm sure is is your approach to it. Um, but I just wanted to reiterate your comments because they were so important. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. And I'll I'll get to that a little later here. And I know this is great conversation up front. You you kind of see what's coming. So, uh, as we move into how big our network is, I know everybody likes this one, so I brought it again. We have increased our centerline mileage by eight miles over the last time you saw me up here. We have increased our lane miles by 111. Now, those two doesn't seem to make sense. How does that math work, Tom? Well, our newest data collection actually did square yardage of all lanes, turn lanes, uh, intersections. So, we're not just going off straight lines anymore. We're actually picking up the full total area of our roadways. And when you run that number, you end up with we have 111 more additional miles that weren't being identified in our previous plans because they were just picking center line up. So again, we've we've now almost made it to Canada. If you look uh >> if you look on the the bottom right there, we're we're almost to Canada. Okay. So, as we move to our friends to the north, that is one single lane of of maintenance ownership. That is all ours all the way up I 95. That's a lot. That's a lot for one city to have under their belt. And again, we're doing the best we can. And that's why we use all the methods we have, including uh the pavement rejuvenate. >> Thank you for this slide. I will have Brandon update my presentation. Appreciate it. >> You're welcome. Um, our methodology currently has shifted a little bit since our last time that we met and that's when I brought to you that it's very hard to equitably distribute the funding if the roads aren't equitably equitably falling apart and if they're not equally distribute distributed per council district. So, this just shows you how many miles are approximately in each district. And a better way of us looking at it for us to be equitable, you would do a percentage of the funding to make it equal throughout the districts. If the roads are in bad shape, if the roads are in great shape, such as in district 2, where you have a lot of newer roads, uh these are the usually the main roads. There's a lot of uh plan unit developments, a lot of interior areas that we don't touch. That is where, you know, why should I go Here we go again. Why should I go and spend a bunch of money to pave a road that's in good shape when I should be taking care of the one that looks like the moon? So, just We've we've made an adjustment. We've started to do that now. And we've also included all of the roadways because if you recall previously CIP was taking care of multi-lane roadways and I was seeing that that was a disservice to us as a city and to our roadway network. So we pulled that out and now all the roadways are being looked at holistically. So, if a main road such as a Roso cross town has a worse condition than a residential street, but they're both roughly equal, which one's more important? I tend to believe it's the one that has the most traffic, the one that can affect the most residents, and the one that's going to fall apart the the fastest because of all of the extra traffic. So, we're putting an emphasis on our main roads, our arterials, and our collectors to make sure they get brought up to speed since more people use them to get from here to there and back to emergency services. I want to keep them being able to get from point A to point B as fast as possible, as safely as possible. >> Makes sense. Makes complete sense. >> So, Madame Mayor, just a question, Tom, as far as long-term strategy for the city. you know, you have so many interior residential roads. And so when I look at the resurfacing plan, and maybe I'm looking at it the wrong way, I've always visualized that plan to be the internal roads for the residential neighborhoods. So with an arterial or a main arterial or or minor like aroso um you know I don't I I I would like to explore this discussion further with you because to me when you're dealing with something that important and that is dealing with that much traffic I want to make sure that we're dealing with it dealing with a long-term plan. So some so when you're resurfacing the road, you could also remill the road. You could also like really repair the road for the long term and that might be a separate project outside of the resurfacing plan. And so when it's a big road like that that has a lot of traffic, I almost feel like it needs to purposely be out of the resurfacing plan because we should probably be treating that one 100% different because of the impact it has. So, I'm just I mean it it is whatever the council wants, but it's it's it's it's apples and oranges, I think, when we're talking about residential streets versus those to roads. >> And and you're you're right, and we do. Um and for example, Beayshore Beayshore North of Prima Vista, it's a road that's been falling apart, kept falling apart. We paved it, it got worse again really fast. The data showed that it was falling apart faster. We went out, we tested the road, we checked it. This road needs to be rebuilt. the design's underway. So, it was pulled out of the resurfacing program. We did a little bit to kind of get us by in between, but it's not part of resurfacing. And then once you get these newer roads built, the resurfacing doesn't take as much of an a chunk out of your budget. It doesn't take as much of a it it the roads are built way better than they were when GDC ran through here. And we find that they put a washing machine underneath the middle of the road. >> Yeah. So, >> and talking about public trust, which I I so appreciate you bringing up that comment, um, Councilman Bon because, you know, I think because of the discussions that it's been happening with local government, even though I don't I don't feel like we should have lost the public trust, there has been a loss of public trust. Um, you know, I think the roads really do provide a p the public a lot of trust. It's funny on a previous council, Shannon, you probably remember, and Stephanie, you as well, you know, we used to say that. is to say there's nothing like fresh black top when a resident sees that knowing where their money and their tax dollars are going. So whenever we can do that it's important but I say that for the main arterials too. Um you know I'm going to use St. James sorry county but it's the one that comes to mind. I'm not trying to pick on you but when I look at St. names and they continue to patch it or they continue to repave it or do a small section or whatever and it's falling apart, it it frustrates the residents because they're like you're not and and more people see that. And so that's why I say whenever possible, whenever council can, I think we just when a when a road needs to be repaved and it's a major road like that most of the time, I'm not an engineer, it needs to be rebuilt. >> And I would rather have that discussion because that's that's what that's what a lot of residents see and that's what they get really ticked off about when they drive to work every day or travel. >> And and with with that in mind, we uh as part of our recent data collection, we actually got GPR done. So, we had ground penetrating radar done and we're waiting on those results which can show us places uh at quick look where's the road not thick enough, where's it not thin enough. We're getting more data to be able to help with that where in the past it's been we pave a road, oh, it falls apart within two years. That's a trigger. Or you go out and you do geotechnical testing every 500 feet on every inch of roadway, which is very costly and maybe you skip the spot that's failing. You don't see it till it happens. So when we're seeing those things, we program them in for separate projects. Um and and just because of the competing priorities with all of the infrastructure that we need to build with our capital improvement funds. This is the best option for now. Going into the future, it it's you know, it's not this is the plan. It's going to stay this way. We're only going to do these things. We are always looking to innovate, change, and do what's best. Madam Mayor, just another road that I just want to highlight that's going to be coming from the city council in the f future is Gatlin Boulevard. I think you identify that road, but think about resurfacing all that and fixing all that is that's going to be a tremendous impact to our budget. So just going to highlight that I understand promises made absolutely but sometimes short roadway just come out of nowhere because as you know a lot of the traffic during the construction of PSA boulevard came down Gallon and it seems like now the traffic between the PSA boulevard and 95 in that area is tremendous. It is absolutely tremendous and the one that continuously drives me insane because I drive it almost every day. But you all know what I'm going to say and it's Gatlin Savona intersection. It's crumbling. I hate it. It looks horrible. It is horrible. We get complaints. I know things are underway. I know we're getting there, but it it just has to get done because to your point, Jolene, people are seeing it and and and they're right. And when they're right, we got to fix it and we got to figure out the fastest way to do it. >> You know this, but how do you go there and fix a road when you're going to be tearing it up in a short time? >> Right. But that's what I mean in this instance by fixing it is we're going to have to do a repaving >> and it's going to either have to come from that that plan, that project, or what we're doing with the intersection improvements. Um and at well to that point, wouldn't we want those two things to happen simultaneously? Exactly. The full repaving and plus the intersection improvement. So where does that what does that look like? >> We we are well positioned now with as I spoke about during the CIP uh update. Uh with the possible redesign to uh better suit the the future layout for Gatlin Boulevard there at the intersection, >> we're well positioned to hit a mark where we can combine everything. >> Great. Um, had we gone out and built it prior, we would have built something that would have had to been ripped up. And to to Mr. City Manager's point, how does that look? We would have gone out and built these lanes no one can use because the receiving area wasn't there. And then when we built the receiving area, we'd have to rip it out to make it work usable. That's just my brain goes sideways sometimes. I mean, more than normal. >> I think all of our brains would go sideways. So, not just yours. So, >> I mean, I'm always a little offkilter. All right, so uh here's just a history of the plan. 1718 we started, we are paying about $83,000 per centerline mile of residential streets. Uh we're at $141,000 per center line mile. So, another challenge of trying to make our promises kept, promises made, you know, it's if prices go up, which they haven't, the as much wood as I can find, I'm going to knock on it, which they haven't for a while, thank goodness. um we you you you have a change in the plan as if the prices go up by double, how do you fund it when you don't have the funding? So that becomes the the game of uh moving the moving the money around if you can. And Mr. City Manager is amazing at helping us find additional funds when we when we do. And I'll talk a little bit more about that as we get a little further on. Um our arterial and collectors are 225,000 per centerline mile. And that's just it's a quick takeoff. Some of them are three lanes, some of them are six lanes. I just used a 12-oot kind of average and extrapolated it. So, you got wider lanes, you go deeper with the asphalt because that's how they're built and they last longer. Uh, you got pavement markings and we want to do it at night. We do not want to inconvenience the traveling public during the day because we know that they're already going through it. So, there's additional cost that comes with all of that. Our preservation, as we spoke about a little earlier, you can see the truck there laying it down. It's kind of like a It's basically like a It's not a sealer, but it kind of soaks into the asphalt and it reactivates the flexibility of the asphalt. Asphalt is a flexible pavement. Concrete is a rigid pavement. Concrete doesn't like to move. It likes to crack. The only reason our asphalt cracks is because underneath it, the soil, cement, concrete base is cracking. That's all you're seeing is just that reflection. So, putting this into the top layer of asphalt within that first three years allows it to remain flexible. And we don't have the freeze thaw down here except for just recently. Um, but we don't have like what they have up north where you have long-term freeze thaw where the water gets into the base, expands, breaks the roads up. We have oxidation from the sun. That's what's doing it. Putting this flexibility back in the asphalt allows it to move under traffic, allows it to heal itself. That's kind of a term they use in the industry. It heals as as it as it goes and just gives you a little bit longer before it loses its flexibility, becomes rigid, cracks like concrete. uh those costs have gone up, but I mean not not bad at all. Versus pay repaving a road, uh you're looking at a$123 for spraying the rejuvenate on and getting five years or per square yard or you're looking at uh it's roughly $17 a square yard to resurface. And if you actually wanted to rebuild a road to vi vice mayor's point, you're looking at $29 to $50 a square yard. And those numbers get real big real fast with those wider wider roadways. I'm glad you put the um costs in there because I think it's important to share with the public what that looks like. Um so I'll be adding those slides to my presentation, too. Thank you very much. >> You're welcome. Um our progress this year, we are right on schedule and actually if you remember previous years, we've been behind schedule. Our paving vendor who has been working with us for many years actually put on another crew to keep up with our demand. um they saw the need, they saw that we we meant business and that we want to get things done and they are doing a great job right now. Um this the paving yeartoyear is is scheduled on um repairs to either utilities, repairs to drainage, repairs to anything else that may have to happen before we pave because we don't want to rip the road back up afterwards. So, prior to the year starting and once council usually receives this presentation, I provide the next years because we know that's at 100% worth of uh worth of resurfacing to all of our partners and our colleagues here at the city. They start to begin to build out what they need to do prior to us getting there so that when it's time to pave, we can go to work. We have a couple areas that are being taken care of right now. Once they're done, we'll be able to release the uh resurfacing contractor to those. But with the cold weather, we haven't been able to go anywhere anyway. So, I say we're right on schedule. Uh we are on schedule for the year and here's some more our pavement condition index from the 22 23 24 you see it was rising. We had a big jump in 25 with our new data collection and as you can see from the asterisk it it's the inclusion of the multi-lane roadways in the calculation. Again these roadways are a lot newer. They're built to a better standard and they fall apart a lot slower. So they added an additional bump and that's okay. This is our adjustment year now. That's our number. We're going to stay at 67. Um it's going to stay flat for a little while and then it's going to start to drop off again. That is I will get on that next slide. Um the the the current budget levels we are maintaining with the assistance of the half cent sales tax. We need about 10.5 approximately per year. We have 7.2 just for resurfacing alone. Resurfacing and preservation. Um we we have 7.2 2 in the CIP and the half cent sales tax has been so helpful in keeping us uh on schedule and moving moving our numbers up. I mean, you can't you can't deny that we've gotten better. >> If the half cent sales tax should not be renewed or doesn't have a chance to be renewed, that could be a problem. So, I mean, just showing the true value of what that's that's done for us is is huge to me and I I believe it it should resonate with everyone in the room. Uh we have replied all of our roadways that were done in 2122 because we're on our three-year and here's the the side by side. I know this is never fun to look at. It's not the easiest thing for your brain to collect on. That's why I provide the arrows. So what we're saying is over last year's paving plan, we have added zero to the 10-year proposed estimated budget. However, we have lost 28.2 center line miles and uh centerline miles of roadway. This is simply because we've added the multi-lane roadways in. They're wider. They cost more. That's that's just that's this is the band-aid year. I'm I'm ripping the band-aid off. I'm going we need for now unless somebody tells me different. I want to show that this works. Um so, we're not meeting the optimal 10-year goal. Again, I think it's an artificial number now that we're we're we're um addressing the plan in a different way and in a more holistic way. >> Okay. >> We've kind of touched on all of these already. Uh contributing factors to why that drop in centerline mileage over the 10-year cycle. Uh we've included the multi-lane roadways. Gallatin Boulevard resurfacing is a big one. Gallen Boulevard was added to the halfsent sales tax as one of the main projects back in 2018. Mhm. >> There was just a number assigned to it. I don't I I can't speak to where the number came from. It was 1.25 million. Over the years, I've had run some calculations and I kept going, "Okay, it's going to be more. It's going to be more." But I had to wait till we had funding to do a design. It is scheduled for next fiscal year for resurfacing through the halfcent sales tax at 1.25 million. When I got the design done, because again, we talked about roads falling apart, making sure it's not underneath. We had the whole road tested all up and down. All it needs is extra asphalt more than we normally would have. We normally would have done an inch and a half. It needs two inches. We everything shows that the base is fine. It's just the roads falling apart from all the traffic. So good. We have that data now. We just have to increase the amount of asphalt that goes down. The price goes up. Now you see that we we we estimate per the plan that it's about 4.4 4 million to do the entire run from Brighton to Edgars. That leaves out the piece uh from Edgar to uh Tradition that we did when we widened Gatlin Boulevard way back. Um because again, it's not falling apart in the same way. The scores are much higher. Um and then it it stops at Brighton because that was just recently redone as part of the PSL in Gatlin. Uh which was I believe like five six years ago. It feels like maybe longer. I don't know. I I can't. Time is a construct. Um, so what we're seeing in the half cent sales tax is we have budgeted 1.25 mil. I needed to come up with 3.15 mil. That is also contributing to why the mileage is down. I had to pull that from other projects that we're not in as bad a shape. Gatlin Boulevard as a multi-lane roadway and a highly traveled roadway is one of our worst PCI scores. It is. And it it just has to be done. There's no it's not a it's not a want, it's a need for the amount of people that travel on it. Whoops. Sorry. >> So, when are we getting it done? >> It is scheduled for fiscal year 2627. So, October 1st is going to be the start of that budget year. Um, my hope is to get a contractor on board as early as possible so that we can get jumping on it right away. That that I'm looking ahead. I'm getting the the design is done. There may be a couple little tweaks we add to it, sales tax signage, things like that to show what we're doing. Um, but it is it is top of mind. It is my number one. >> Okay. >> And we're going to do it at night. Correct. >> Yes, sir. >> I ran the numbers. It's like three months worth of work if you do it really slow. >> So, while we're talking about that and we're talking about Brighton and that horrible whatever you call it intersection where the Aldi is, what are we doing about that? because of the number of traffic accidents we have, it makes sense if we're going to be doing that, we address that area all at one time so we're not touching things twice. So, where are we with that? What does that look like? Because it's just a disaster. So, we have reached out to an engineer to help us design that and make sure we're not going to create an additional safety concern because yes, I agree that is a safety concern with that median opening, but we also want to make sure we're not, you know, putting that safety concern at the intersection there. Um, that proposal would be a 60-day design period and the thoughts would be essentially the left turn lane that is at Brighton, we would close that off and it become an extension of the left turn lane at PSL Boulevard. So right now we are finalizing that proposal and we're going to get it moving ASAP. >> Great. Thank you. >> Okay. And the third and final op option for the contributing factors. Again, we spoke about it is the new data shifting things around to do the worst first because we we are so far, you know, back behind to try to get things done. Um those those are your reasons. And that follows up with our new maps showing what we'll be doing uh in two-year slices. As usual, I didn't want to change format since everybody's familiar with it. Kind of showing you where we're going. And then the one that really hits home, there's your 10-year estimated proposed plan >> and our funding. I don't like the one on the right because the sales tax stops. And the funding besides sales tax is also gas tax I'm assuming. >> Yes. >> How is gas tax doing? Um I mean it's supposed to be a regressive tax. Supposed to be supposed to be declining. Are we seeing it declining? Um and I and obviously we all celebrate that gas is going down in price, but that also affects the collection of taxes. So what does that look like? Caroline, are you looking into that? >> She's looking it up. >> Okay. >> We do see slight increases, but that is more related to our population growth. So, with more people um moving into the city, living in the city, and frequenting the gas station. So, that's why we do see a slight increase. Okay. Okay. >> All right. >> All right. >> Well, with that, uh, we're just requesting that you accept the roadway preservation and resurfacing plan so that I can release it to our partners in the other departments to start planning their work. >> All right. Do we have a motion? >> Motion to approve. >> Second. Have a motion and a second. Any discussion? >> All those in favor? >> I. >> Any opposed? Motion carries. All right, we're at our um five minutes before our lunch break. Uh we're going to stop here, do our lunch break. When we come back, um I believe we have Mr. Hunter for the economic outlook. So we'll have that presentation and then we'll go back to our uh CIP projects presentation starting with uh major facility projects update.