you it is now 5:30 and I will call our work session to order we have quite a few guests in the room so let's go around and introduce ourselves around the table and then we'll get to your first on the agenda we're gonna go around the room excellent and Jennifer and Tim would you introduce yourselves please [Music] thank you welcome everyone I'm Elizabeth counts I'm the mayor and at our work sessions we go directly to our agenda and the first item on the agenda is council member representative Phil sterner who represents us at the Met Council and so we only have about 10 minutes for you because we have a really really big agenda and we have our development tools policy that's going to be a big discussion with all of our commissioners from the Economic Development Commission here this evening and we thank you for taking the time to come and speak to us and yeah you know I think this is the first time or maybe the second it is the second cause Bonnie Featherstone was our Commissioner at the Met Council back in the 90s and then now you so welcome babe you can see me over the podium you know a little bit like most you've had maybe has some related us with me but I'm feel sterner you know I live in Burnsville and I look you're a two-cycle so I grew up at Apple Valley as Elise says an eight-year-old and and my parents were the Air Force so who drowned a lot that's where we settled Apple Valley then as a young adult and burns on my back there and raising a family and rose by itself pretty related to the community with the school at st. Thomas so I have five children and I'm the youngest of four or three older sisters that they all live them too and birds don't want in Lakeville so we're real close by my parents are still with me as well so but so I'm kind of excited to be here and so I represent the first slide will be you know the four district of district 15 and so besides birds I also represent Eagan infra Grove Heights in Rosemont and most of ours is kevin develop being the suburbs that transitioning at a redevelopment kind of thing and then of course like rose bond I think it's up parts or different heights a little bit like a rural developing community but but burns on the Eagan are kind of like with redevelopment here and so we you know we want to do growth by helping diversify housing options and transportation for workforce as well as main theater quality life and amenities and what I was just appointed so I'm new at March 6 I got appointed by governor Wallace and so I'm on the Environment Committee and which we oversee the wastewater treatment there's eight plants in the in the seven County District with four Oh makes you bein in either you know district 15 or ours or 16 just south here you know so it's it's it's quite a bit as it's here but it's pretty exciting to see how we treat the water and how quick it turns around so I visited almost half the plants or over half the plants now I'm trying to look at some of the more but we're really efficient on the water by working together the Metropolitan Council that were 41% lower cost of our wastewater than anywhere else with our pure cities and the nation that and that's really helpful to keep our costs down and I'm also on the transportation community so we we will receive all the metro transit so as well as a metropolitan transportation services so anything from our ride to the orange line that's going to be coming out or your express one is all under our purview and that and we work with of course we're opt out here with Minnesota Valley Transit Authority so three other for commuters I serve I represent by administrative Valley Transit Authority and then the cadmium chair is Investment Review Committee where we look at what our investments are but this like the city of a very conservative what we do investments in so most of us just trying to align with being local investments we want to work with local banks and will in turn work with the money in projects with either cities or businesses that could use the local dollars that kind of generate with businesses and people their community so we worked on that and was we change our sustainability policy too we added a little bit of language in that this last this year already and that I'm a representative for the water console so that's been a pretty interesting fact today and tomorrow is a water resource conference over at the River Center and st. Paul's I've been attending that but it's pretty fast because the board is it has everyone from fishing interests onto it to agriculture interest to you know like people from University of Minnesota so we have a lot of voices on the council and I really enjoyed that as well and so if this were the update on the orange line which I probably know more than I do at this point but that's but basically all the funds are secured and I'm really excited with it and we have the two stops and our you know in Bern so right now you know which one is some birds or Parkway and then at the heart of the city down and I think that's gonna really help our development really the nature the heart of the city and they are studying for additional stop see that you know for like where the counter of 42 intersection is as well as found of 50 so you know we're I'm here to help you work with your city and the county and that to make what you you feel happy you know will happen but I I think it's gonna be a really good know ridership on it and really help what we're looking for so it's gonna you'll start on that bus rapid transit station and the spring of 2020 and your two stations will be done by December of 2021 they're scheduled to be all completed by then so you can sign up for the newsletter if you're not already on that but that's available to you as well and so I won't do a lot of detail this prize the brevity of time here but we're basically it will show the timeline and you all will have at least a packet in front of you so you can kind of go back to see what the future time in time is of that and and we're here to kind of support you know conversations and and even like with Minnesota Valley Transit so you'll invite me to anything that you feel you feel want to be here and I you know I want to be very supportive and then you kind of are doing sustainability tonight it sounds like and that's something we're talking about just at our last metropolitan medium band and so most of like what you don't see it as a big thing is what we're dealing with is we've have about five inches more of rainfall this year or actually last decade more than we've done the decades before that and it's it'll be high water so you can kind of see where we're dealing with you know the chance of the increase of water and then the high heat and especially in the the summer times are seeing a lot more heat so they could be more cooling cost or or though the comfort level is different than of course you're not seeing as many seasons like we're the Falls but a little bit shorter maybe we'll get a little bit back but it's you're seeing that and then some of the risk of heavy snowfall and severe thunderstorms are currently those are kind of relatively low of no happening and to deal with that we either got to use the resilience adaption or admitted mitigation to kind of feel solve that we have you know couple things that we're looking at but like one big example is like we are treatment plant in st. Paul Metro plant does about 70 percent of all the sewage treatment well the water is so high right now they're dealing with like what in springtime when they use your break that building up the walls and that kind of thing and here we're enough you know the fall time so that's the kind of like deal with you know those kind of issues but we support or or the stormwater which we thought try to treat it but for more we have does that affected like what we're treating the bottom of water and so basically I've Council will offer like some tools to help your community and you know we can reach out to our staff or myself about that but like we have an extreme heat story may have you get a map tool it's we can app tool or you're localizing you know flooding but these are all available for you to user or ask on and we we pretty much the Community Development we have some contacts with that well we want to partner ship with you and you know that obviously like your planners y'all in that they do all days and you have Patrick point and that's a sign your city is up like ever lead planner but we have other people assist you to what you need from us and then I think that I guess I probably talked about this other last night but the infrastructure is being made to be more resistant to flooding so both our transit facilities and our wastewater interceptor and our plants system and these are our directors that you can kind of go to if you haven't had but we've got West Coast ro auntie Liz Liz and savage of that and as a give the year he's our new transportation Metro Transit a manager and then we have Nick Thompson who does a director Metropolitan Transportation services but they can kind of deal with that and then Lisa is our is our head planner in that then she's also the lead on sustainability as well so she's a good resource and at Lisa Thompson she's our general manager for environmental services and you also can contact me at my information and they'll drop us some cards afterwards and that done so it's time for quest I think I'm under ten minutes but yeah thank you so much I'm going to see if by there is yep I've got some M bikini fill I'm glad you're coming in and and bringing the presentation and engaging I hope you'll come back more often one thing are you thank you for being on transportation as the leis on to the transportation I just want to petition the rest of the council to allow you as much time as you want to present here and take questions because we rely on you on funding for MBTA so we want to make sure that you're well taken care of need any water anything just let me know we'll get it taken we it would be great to see you at our future MBTA meeting when we invite our Met Council representatives okay and I think one of them may have been already scheduled this year I don't know if you're able to make it double booked as I couldn't take have to make the next one but when it comes to transportation advocacy on behalf of your districts it'd be great to know just you know how you see your role to ensure that MBTA for instance is is represented and the needs of ETA and then secondly who from the Met Council or is there a single person assigned to the i-35 solutions Alliance from the Met Council or is it something that you could also attend that's a good one because I didn't see if there's someone appointed but I'd be more I think I could definitely attend on that as well and I could check in if someone was assigned and you kind of Segway to know something again about the the transportation because right now we can't look at the plan and I'm like what kind of translation service so even if you don't look like where it goes but like what kind of service do we need more Express busses do we want more stop kind of thing do we want it to go like a longer period of time but maybe not as you know buses per hour do we want a more you know less but no more consistent like every 15 minutes or so but we're trying to like seem like what the transportation is inside pregnant you know of course advocate that we have more transportation out here and more consistent that we worked MBTA and Metropolitan Transit works together so like we got the east-west going with north-south like for myself per se see like the red line the orange side there should be an easy east-west where you can you know go either usually cliff Road or Virgil Parkway or but getting through something like that that can go go through on that just so we have to consistency would really help us out this area I know like I did a tour last week it was with mica it worked with housing and we went to the nonprofit organization camera but there at Grace Lutheran in Apple Valley the biggest thing they said the teens had a difficulty with transportation and so if there's a way of tokens and consists of transportation to get them through the jobs or recreation that would be a huge thing for him that'd be great I sit on the committee with MBTA for innovation and partnerships and those are the types of scenarios that we'd like to set a meeting with to talk about their resources we're doing it with Fairview hospital right now there's an existing model that we built off the Amazon partnership for that kind of thing so while I would invite you to the next i-35 solutions from a 35 corridor it really in its brand you would think it's only i-35 subject matter but it actually branches off into networks that I 35 connect with so the 494 cedar and some other 169 and highway 13 so I think it'd be great to have you at the table representing your district which you'll have two or three of your council mayor or staff you know folks from from your district there and then be great you know the MBTA I think because you're on the transportation committee I'd like you to I'd invite you personally to come attend those meetings and I think do it outside of just that quarterly check in with the Met Council members that ones you know it's good but for you I think it'd be much more productive especially to ramp up on a knowledge base on where we've been where we're going if you could I don't know if you if you have any scheduling conflicts on Wednesday that usually the fourth Wednesday of the month 4:30 4:30 okay that's exactly what I count some pizzas so you know offline maybe we can meet and I'd like to catch up on it but it's a big deal for this whole region and certainly for Burnsville inclusive of the orange line coming on and having two new stations but MBTA's obviously been servicing this area for a long time and we're working on a lot of new innovative types of things which did help to when the MBTA the transit provider of the Year by the state transit Association last week so a little plug in there for MBTA thank you thank you very much thank you so much for coming and I would also suggest that don't wait for an invitation if you have some things that you believe that we should be we should know about and you can connect with Melanie and and see when you can come in but thank you for sharing all of the materials that you brought with we will take a look at it and I really appreciate your coming in tonight and informing us because informing us you're also informing all of our citizens because it's on TV and it'll also be streamed and anybody can check in with it if they missed watching us this evening so thank you so much for coming in commissioner thank you and now we move into the our sustainability report and presenting Ismet miss Tsubasa and I believe that you're you're also going to be introducing our consultants yes yes and make sure everybody knows a little bit about you to sue because you wrote this program from the very beginning from truth oh I think you wrote the white paper mm and I think it was 2007 because we we had to start with the white paper for our governance thank you and adopted it in 2000 right 2000 February 9 9 yet we adopted the sustainability guide plan and that was quite a process a lot of work certainly not just me but all the staff and we had consultants for that too and ended up with a great plan and actually accomplished quite a bit we have completed many of the goals in that plan and now our knowledge of sustainability since that has grown and changed technology has changed and so now we're in the process of updating that plan so we are looking to update that plan because trying to have our sustainability needs met for the present and then also into the future Ted Redman is assisting us of pale blue dot is assisting us with that task and he'll be sharing information on what has happened so far in the process and what the tentative process coming up is going to be staff is looking for inputs from the City Council on the process as well as areas of that you would like us to focus on so it will be taking over and if you have any questions I'll be here very good you have a PowerPoint presentation that'll give us some more information than the one pager that we received yes thank you [Music] observation of sustainability in Burnsville the process for the planning underway for the sustainability guide plan I wanted to share with you some preliminary survey feedback that we've received from our community engagement efforts and then a little bit about next steps so as sue said I'm Ted Redmond I'm an architect and an urban planner with pale blue dot and we focus entirely on climate planning sustainability planning and renewable energy planning one of our more recent work actually is the climate vulnerability assessment that we did for the city of Burnsville about a year and a half ago so just a few observations about sustainability in Burnsville there's a lot to say about sustainability in Burnsville and the efforts that the city's gone through but just to name a few you guys have fantastic public education and outreach the videos that you do Sue's quarterly updates are fantastic the energy use reductions for city operations is something that really tout and a good leadership within the metro area I think and of course the relationship that that has to our greenhouse gas reductions that the city operations also has been able to illustrate great leadership on you've achieved step five for green step Cities which there's only a handful of cities in the state that have done that and that's really quite an achievement you've got great illustrations of green facilities like the Ice Arena with the using of geothermal now you've completed your climate vulnerability assessment the climate adaptation planning is underway as well as the sustainability guide plan update underway and one thing I'll point out is that you're probably recalling this but in the 2016 community survey that the city didn't 88 percent of the residents polled believed that it was important for the city to address climate change and so I think one other observation to point out is that when the city did the original sustainability guide plan that was really an illustration of leadership it was not a very common planning effort in certainly in the Midwest but really in the United States there were only a handful that had been done so I think the fact that you're redoing it allows the opportunity to continue that leadership so I just congratulate you for that so the planning underway some of what we've done to date so of course this is an update to the 2009 plan it's gonna provide guidance on sustainability for the city over the next 10 years and we'll also maybe potentially identify potential beyond that but really we're focusing on what actionable items for the next ten years we're gonna be establishing goals based on community baseline metrics so assessing kind of where we are today and then let's make some goals off of that and then we'll create strategies and detailed actions for both for achieving those goals both at the city operations level as well as the community-wide level so the what we've done to date first we reviewed the original guide plan and the implementation get a good census as kind of how things have gone on that we've conducted some initial community outreach we've gone to a few events the Ariana Plaza the international event we've also put out a community survey online survey and the date we've got about 195 respondents and we're thinking we'll keep it active through the end of the month and then after that I mean we can keep it up and running for as long as we want but that'll give us good feedback initially we've also finished conducting a community-wide sustainability a baseline assessment which covers a lot of ground it includes things like greenhouse gas emissions citywide as well as city operations what you do regularly with orange land use metrics and land use we're looking at a wide range of land use like density of residential density of commercial jobs per acre of commercial property ambient noise ambient light parkland all many metrics and those were also comparing against comparable communities within the metro area so trying to give you a sort of a baseline in terms of where you are but also how do you compare with other communities transportation metrics renewable energy potential study we've done buildings and energy efficiency metrics Community Health metrics climate vulnerability of course from the assessment previously solid waste and renewable energy baseline metrics ground cover metrics which are tree canopy as well as grass water impervious surfaces and how those relate to things like water runoff and the heat island neighborhood by neighborhood bases and water metrics and access to local food so trying to put together as much metric as we possibly can to get a good sense as to how things are in the community and then help tease out where can we advance even more improvement so moving ahead the process that we're looking at is we're gonna be working with the staff planning group to review and develop some recommended sustainability goals from all those metrics that we just talked about and then we'll explore develop and refine strategies and actions to achieve those goals then we plan on assembling a stakeholder group which could involve you know community members businesses local business representatives other agencies like the county or watershed district those sorts of things and then use that stakeholder group to provide reaction and feedback to the goals and strategies that are developed we get a good sense from a broad stakeholder group and then after that we'll then develop a draft of the full guide plan update we'll conduct some additional community outreach and we'll design that with the group what exactly that looks like but it probably are things like some town hall meetings maybe another survey with specific questions about options that we've got in the plan and then we'll review the whole enchilada with staff and the stakeholder group for final feedback refine and finalize the plan so the structure of the guide plan is still we're not sure exactly what the structure is we anticipate there might be some changes in terms of the categories from the original guide plant just as sue mentioned this state of the art has changed and our knowledgebase altogether has changed so just preliminary we're thinking that the categories will likely include greenhouse gas emissions land use transportation renewable energy buildings and efficiency PID health and climate adaptation solid waste ground cover water and local food and what will likely have within each of those categories are some strategy and goals that might be priority goals and then moles that might be like longer reach goals so that we can prioritize where the C can put its efforts because clearly there's limited staff time there's limited resources so if you have a million bowls and a million strategies and one staff person trying to do it that might be too much right so we'll try to prioritize where things might get focused to help streamline that so now just a little bit about the preliminary survey the feedback that's been received as I noted we've got the online survey up and running if you haven't taken it yet I encourage you to it'd be great to get your input and if you wouldn't mind maybe just distributing it to folks that you know it'd be awesome just to get more constituents involved in it the URL is just pale blue dot period LLC slash Burnsville - sustainability - survey but if you just go to our website you can search for Burnsville it'll come up Ryan it's also on the city's website it is on the city's website it's also on Facebook because I've shared it on the city website with Marty I think it's fun when you when you go into the city website and as you search them yeah a little super search sustainability survey there's under city services city services in your top city services then ok thank you we can maybe think about how to highlight that a little bit that's like a five so some of the input that we've received out of the roughly 200 folks that have taken it so far some of the important sustainability considerations for the city of Burnsville sort of higher ranking for clean and reliable drinking water reduction of landfill aways high quality parks and facilities and recreation programs improving stormwater management watershed increasing health of Burnsville x' trees and reduce energy consumption all rated over 80% of the respondents saw those as important characteristics or considerations concern over climate change over 80% of the respondents reported being concerned or very concerned about climate change over 91% of the respondents reported being personally impacted by one or more impacts of climate change which actually I was surprised that it was concern over potential impacts of climate change the higher ranking ones were water quality impacts impacts on human health air quality impacts tree or plant loss ecosystem impacts risks to vulnerable individuals and food security all rated over 70% so next steps where we're going from here will be establishing the stakeholder group as we mentioned that role will be as I say supporting building consensus for near mid long-term goals supporting and exploring goals strategies and actions and support and identifying what the community might need to be empowered to implement those strategies the commitment we're thinking is probably two workshops one perhaps in January or February to review some preliminary content and then one towards maybe April May 3 view sort of a final draft and give us good final input and then we're looking for recommendations obviously we're open to recommendations for involve we have a list of potential folks but clearly we want to make sure it's in you all so typically for this kind of group we looked for a few business leaders you know folks that are understanding business community and well integrated into the community community group leaders resident representatives all would be fantastic and then in addition to that we'll recommend probably you know like some folks from the county watershed district that sort of thing of course we're open for any questions whatsoever but also just looking to see if there's any feedback on those preliminary categories or council member hschultz okay so I have a couple questions the first question resident texted me and said where is complete streets in this in your evaluation imitation is that under transportation and then who who is assigned to that team to work on that transportation but I'm not sure what you mean by a sign yeah it would definitely be in the Publix engineering area we don't have a Complete Streets workgroup or anything like that at this time obviously we're always looking for ways to them but we have a guide that says that when we're looking at street reconstruction you always review the Complete Streets Real ID incentive you know do you get into bike lanes and do you get to three lanes or two lanes or four lanes because that's what you have and some of the guide plans that I've read I mean I would say we're looking for opportunities when they present themselves for instance our trial this year on bike lanes on Street bike lanes it's something that we're going through this here but you know for replacing a street oftentimes it does go back very similar condition because I remember Steve Albrecht talking about Complete Streets and that public works always reviews that when you're doing Street reconstruction to see if you can do some things to him include all of that so right yes Cara okay so for local food when you're evaluating us for that and I know this is something that maybe city council will have to take a look into our we have some fairly heavy restrictions on allowing farmers markets and anything like that so are you going to be looking at what city policies and ordinances we have in place and designate ones for review yeah in instances like that yes so I think one of the things that you might sue and everybody that we have community gardens all over and it started with us when we put into community gardens out on Neil Park and then in all of the parks that we can put a community garden in and then we also have partnerships with churches and also partnership with the senior housing and the YMCA so we do have all of that and Sue Melanie I think one of the things is that we need to bring because we have a council that needs to really be informed about all the things that we have done and the achievements when you look at local foods and how we got to all of the partnerships also valley natural foods and right there by your building where we have a partnership with them on all of the law on local community gardens and one of the things that we used to do but it's not something that just our people who grow in the fall there was a time and I haven't been invited to one so I don't know that but they have a dinner where they put all of the foods all of the produce that they harvest it and and everybody was sharing and and that was really quite nice but maybe you know people change and so I don't know who's still doing any of that but it would be nice I miss being invited to those you know potlucks yeah did you want to add something before I go back - yeah just on food what I've read like with resiliency is oftentimes this is is there a grocery store within a mile of every home that's a big part of it so you know Kamiya gardens are good and all those kinds of things but they don't meet that need for a disadvantaged population who doesn't have a car Mootoo just really needs to be able to get to someplace that offers but that's primarily where it is but those other things are also yeah will be definitely weighing in yeah but the thing I for desert Gardens and destinations we we we don't have that we have a lot of yeah - we have grocery stores around large stores and small stores grocery stores convenience stores that have but the thing is I think we need to make sure that we outline what we have done from the first plan all the things that we have accomplished because when you look at our water quality we have two lakes that have come off the impaired waters list I mean there is so much and oh by the way does anybody still know that we have a green roof over at the the water treatment plant the surface water treatment plant I don't know and we've been doing green working to work with green roofs but the businesses we had one of your colleagues Ted skip come and talk to our our CEO group and talk about the sustainability survey that you were doing so I think you need to also work with the business community because we have been working with Excel and Excel close their last the last cold train came into Excel on April 15 - no April 13 2015 with the last last coal train that came in and with that reduction I believe from what Michele Swanson had shared with me it reduced their carbon footprint 46% and that on their property so when you add all of those and I had asked sue this you add all of that and what we have done what does that all mean with regard to our reduction in greenhouse gas and I know that a lot of our businesses all have a sustainability plan and how they do that so our businesses need to be a part of that and so do our residents but I think when you look at also look at all of the things that we've done I think that needs to be celebrated Melanie if we can take a look at all of the accomplishments even where our partnership with with Kramer and also with Savage where our activities have recharged the Jordan aquifer and the people from the Met Council you folks talk a lot about that so so I think those are the things that we have to celebrate what we had done as we move forward because people need to know about it yes I'll go to Tara and then I'll go back to Ryan okay I agree it's always good to celebrate what we've done the question I was asking was in these as I wrote down my notes was in the section on what can we do in the future so that's what that is directed towards and one of the reasons why I asked the farmers market question is because it is about getting food out like fresh or food out in diversifying the areas that that is available in because they tend to right now group in the same areas that would like we have major shopping and as well so it really doesn't doesn't diversify that my question though is on the stakeholders group so how are you going to decide on the stakeholder group like what types of persons are you looking for to fill that out typically a successful stakeholder group will have kind of a smattering of folks so there's allied agencies right the county and watershed districts or examples could be school district but entities that are already partnered with you in all sorts of ways that also may have some expertise or overlapping implementation goals or County does roads we do roads you know etc so usually we like to have a few folks from those kinds of categories and then folks from a broad input from the community so as I say business community members community groups in particular if there's community groups that have really great connections with underserved populations perhaps or folks that are that we don't necessarily hear from is frequently thanked because they have a broad perspective which is great to feed into it and then also you know some resident reps and so we definitely would look to you if you know of some business leaders or community group leaders or resident reps that you think would be just superb for that or really well connected with the community that can help you know exchange messages back and forth those would be the folks that would really be great they don't necessarily need to have an expertise on sustainability per se if they do great awesome but if they don't that's okay too because they have an expertise on Burnsville and that's really what ultimately we deal with I appreciate that thank you okay anybody else yes right I guess I would just like to apologize if we were looking for more of our celebration we didn't really bring that tonight most likely in the matter of time we could talk for a half hour easily on all of our things that we've done over the last 10 years I understand the point of trying to celebrate those we should celebrate those achievements as we think about the future I mean all of you our staff have worked very hard to do that look at what you've done in terms of our construction and reconstruction in all of the reuse of materials and the recycled materials that we do that has also reduced the cost on our Road reconstruction so I know you guys don't like doing that but I want to hear it and the people want to hear it you guys do a great job perhaps we come back to you I could get on this we will have more of a celebration in the process to hear more about all of the achievements there is so much and maybe sometimes we need to take a tour I mean I don't know Vince have you seen our green roof what green roof yeah see there you go nobody knows under the bus yes I have go out and see the surface water treatment what I may not like that I think it's cool but there is a lot of great things even even going through and look at the geothermal system over at the Ice Center if you haven't been to the and seen the chosen ones yeah yeah yeah that is really something yeah and I mean there is so much that we have done here and we're not good at amplifying the achievements that we have done and so Melanie amplification amplification amplifier ocation maybe we can find ways of also putting that into the guide plant like you know intro statements yo opportunities to do little highlights because you have done a lot and that actually represents well to the public as a leadership right like to help people understand hey I can do this do we have a plan and guess what we are achieving the point all the outcomes in the plan I mean what a concept you know so the thing is and then when you're at you know step 5 they have to always create new steps for us I think did we opt out because they didn't have a step 6 suit huh I know it there is no step 6 very nice article in the bulletin this month about our achievement yep renewal yeah so those are good things are there any other thoughts that we can share with Ted and Sue if not if you think about it yes are you looking for suggestions on stakeholder groups right now I mean if you got them from up but otherwise you know if that's awkward or when you were kind of explaining what you were looking for I thought immediately about chapter first or in Burnsville because they do a food shelf and are very plugged into the underserved community this can do quite a bit for the underserved population of Iranians actually when you look at all of those retailers you know we have the Salvation Army but I would also say you get the utilities and we have two Dakota Electric and in Excel but if we think of anything else we can always let Melanie know and she'll get it out to staff thank you so much yeah and my on en su and Ryan let's celebrate all of your accomplishments we have and we will continue to do so absolutely yeah well but it doesn't come around here to get up on TV okay fair enough thank you thank you okay the next item is our legislative agenda Melanie yes your honor madam mayor and councilmembers um we took a little bit of a different approach on the legislative agenda this year previously the council's have three positions priority supporting and monitoring each of those positions called for a different level of staff engagement and staff involvement when we began to look at our existing legislative platform looking at our involvement in our leave Minnesota cities metro cities MLC and those associations that also have legislative policies and we began to kind of cross-reference those and see where is their commonality and where does our position speak and really specifically to Burnsville and what we found is that there are quite a number of positions for which languages if not identical very close to what is in a league policy or a metro city's policy so our what we've brought forward to you is a side-by-side comparison with our current policy suggested amendments where our current policy can be found in metro cities or League or other organizations positions as well as any other background information for council consideration and based on that you'll see that we we have brought forward a much leaner legislative platform with three priority positions we think that the three priorities that the council had in place certainly continue to deserve a higher degree of attention that is the freeway landfill and dump Fire Protection District and the center village TIF district so we've rewarded slightly but have brought those forward as priority policies for your consideration and then we've this is where you'll see we've slimmed down a little bit under supporting positions and we are actually on recommending for one is a very broad ad vacations for local control that is the foundation of much of what our pick up policies speak to is that we ought to have local control we support local control in our decision-making we also speak specifically to the host community economic development grant program very specific to Burnsville aggregate mining fees and the primary service area which has to do with our ambulance service so with that as background I'm happy to talk through any questions or comments you might have and stand for questions so thank you thank you first of all I'd like to say thank you so much for really moving through all of these and deleting some of the stuff that we really don't need and you really focusing our intentions and really defining those so I really appreciate what has been done and so when you look at you know our let's stand with the priorities council your thoughts on the priorities does this meet they haven't changed from last year so stay the course yes Vince and I I would just like to I don't know if this was an addition or if this was in here last year but for the freeway landfill and dump the very last statement I appreciate our supporting non-bonding for remediation to promote economic development yeah I don't know if that was an addition attention to that because that's important to what I think we collectively desire for that site that's a part of the handout that has the and also in here but has the suggested language that you want to discuss tonight yeah you look at the legislative priorities and then what melanie has put in place with a with regard to you know the language for consideration [Music] a little bit more clarity if I wasn't oh if I wasn't doing so earlier so this larger document it got a little wonky on your on the eye compass so you printed it out for you the far left is the existing policy language that the council's adopted and you'll see that that teases all the way through to the very last page and then that second column is language for consideration we've we've underlined the new language that we're suggesting and you'll see as you get walk through it that once you get to about page four or five we've got quite a number of delete standalone policies yeah for consideration and then following column talks about well where is that found in the other agencies other organizations and then we did to a thorough staff review this so it went through you know if they had to do with a public works issue we asked our public works to have to take a look at and provide their feedback and for all of these issues we've made that notation the one item that I will call out is under current policy number eleven and this is a follow up from discussion by the council earlier this year when we had brought forward a resolution supporting Street improvement deserves as requested by the league in Minnesota cities that item was pulled yeah because there wasn't we didn't have a specific policy regarding it and if you remember council the discussion we had it's you know it's this council we had wrote yeah supporting that the reason we had it is because we were supporting our colleagues and if a tool was there that they could use but you know that's not something that is we have an infrastructure trust fund we right so and staff is saying let's delete that and I'm okay with it are you all okay with it I mean we have other agencies going after that and that's okay it doesn't mean we can be silent on it yeah yeah we well the discussion we had and we can have it again the majority of the council did not support supporting the Street Improvement District legislation even though it passed anyway so we are choosing maybe we are saying we're silent on it but the majority of the council at the time did not support that position and did not agree with it the legislation so we basically made that clear you know that may be up for rediscovering yep so when we came forward asking for support there was two items one was the just general state funding for transportation in general stable and that one went through yeah and then we took out the start about town home the Street Improvement District just a couple things that bring up is you know we're talked about trying to eliminate assessments this would potentially be a tool yeah that we could offset the elimination of special assessments if it was but right now no City has the ability to use this tool yeah the other item is transparency there's nothing more transparent than something for a particular cause that goes right to that area so that's the only two things I bring up as to why you may want to consider but like you said we do have the ITF and assessments of Macedo and that's the reason why it was there last year um what do you mean because the transportation if you look at the language that we have that that's what was in our legislative agenda right but now staff is recommending that we just delete it as a standalone badda mayor and council yes as a specific standalone policy that then we would be comfortable with the language in metro cities yeah I 35w solutions the transportation Alliance which is very carrying they're suggesting that cities ought to have tools of their toolbox to use an over word term to fund the way they feel is appropriate for their local considerations conversation councilmember Kili no adopting this language would not yeah oblige the council yeah to adopt any kind of a Street Improvement District it would simply say hey if why is that I wanted to do that okay what I did would be it's another tool yeah so that that was kind of the premise of staffs thought on this and so we did not our legislative agenda it's just we deleted from our legislative agenda yeah if here if I may ask a clarifying question so when you're saying we delete these items or you know an item from the legislative agenda but then we have comments and justification are those comments and justifications part of the document in any way not as not as proposed by staff certainly we can include whatever the council is comfortable with okay just checking on that thank you yeah no I think what staff is putting out with this spreadsheet is that this is what you we have here's a language to be considered here the other entities that we partner with who is carrying it and so the three policy the three priorities are still the same with some recommendations and language change if you guys are okay with that and then and then there's the supporting state items yes well the the complication of this is because I thirty-five solution supports it doesn't mean that this council supported what that's body is a silent and so as long as we are not adopting a policy from metro cities or from the metro cities transportation policies that supports what we don't support then fine but I know that this is saying delete it then there's also it's what I understand you saying city manager Lee is there's a policy out there by Metro city's transportation i-35 that carries that I just don't want us to be a saint yeah we support that no that's the reason that's why that's the reason why it's being deleted from our legislative agenda I mean the bottom line just for the clarity of the folks in the audience that may not have the history on this Street Improvement Districts is another means of taxation and this council took that debate up and we said we do not need to say let's add this new tax on top of our existing taxes so we can then fund certain streets specific streets that if we were gonna do it we would do it from our general levy and our ITF right in other words we would be held accountable to make that decision without just adding a new transportation tax that could penalize a specific street or charge owners on a Pacific a specific street to to fix that street so well that's more than the cost comparison wasn't dollar for dollar so just called the league day or the metro cities they you can put a stream promo district over your entire city yeah to pay for street improvements as you can't now that would be the concept I need careful what I say because you can't know there's no but there is no legislation we have that it's called the ITF but the infrastructure of trust fund is a citywide Street Improvement Fund that's been in place since 1994 I believe you said no 1996 1996 yeah Kirra and so this might help clarify some of the individual points for me so in the white sheet that was printed out mm-hm it says supporting positions and it says the city of Burnsville actively participates in League of Minnesota cities metro cities municipal legislative Commission for the Advancement of policies positions that enhance the ability to provide creative and effective public services in a responsible manner in general the positions of these three organizations reflect the interests of the city of Burnsville and are supported by the Burnsville City Council I do not agree with that that's why we're before you two so like with that blanket statement that makes me more cautious on all the rest of it with without that I feel really comfortable with how you've laid this out you know what I would suggest to Melanie and to all of you we see this how about if you bring back where it just has here our three priorities and then here's the supporting items and here's the ones that we're monitoring but because this one gives us all of your thinking well under existed language yeah that provides everything that is Bentley in place supporting monitoring and yeah but I do want to lay it out in a different format just one sheet so that everybody understands and it doesn't it doesn't get into all of this other stuff that has to do with the justification uncommon stuff like that that I III don't know but it are you talking about just eliminating reference to metro cities in Illinois yeah yeah just yeah just don't reference Oh under that supporting positions paragraph just modify that certainly yeah all I'm saying is that so we eliminate the confusion but just as years yeah big and then on the stuff that you've eliminated we have this document that says you you and as anybody agree or disagree with the what staff has done with deleting some of the items yeah clarification okay which one number three yeah this is up the tip for and this is the priority yeah numbers um I've just I'd like to understand what the long-term goal is with this one if we're denied TIF for a second time are we gonna continue to make that a legislative priority next year yeah and every year I can tell you why if you're not persistent we did this with the mrq it took us three times to get it it's not you don't give up I'm just wondering what the implications of that are to the stakeholders in that area if they are waiting to see if we can do that if that could hinder something from happening if they're just going to wait to do anything contingent on TIF whereas if there is just a solution that says Tiff's not happening then something happens I can't have some of those became same concerns to that person some business owners out there they're worried that our continual effort to keep going after TIF just preventing some from not doing anything till they see what they can get and so it's how long do we keep that up too we're just saying for the freaky the last few years I think in the city we've done a really good job bringing in a lot of development of the city and we dug we did that through changing some of some of our policies we've done that zoning changes that sort of thing this made it happen and I think that can happen out there as well quite frankly I think that Mullis needs a new owner to make something happen to be honest with you Jenny your thoughts madam mayor members of the council I would say last year we were a little late to the party and getting started and that was our challenge because we approved the redevelopment plan in December the legislature kicked off in January and we really didn't have much time to strategize with our lobbyists and what what we should be doing this year we've got a lobbyist and we plan to do some strategizing in the next couple of weeks to put together a plan to go forth so that we can be successful and we have a new lobbyist to help give us guidance on this it did take us three times to do the mrq but this comes down to what your preference is and how we spend our time we put together the vision when we did talk to the stakeholders if you'll recall a couple of them said if we do have assistance the Sara touch group that moves us up their priority list mm-hmm so it becomes kind of a timing issue and from what I understand many other property owners are waiting to see what Sara tidge does so the way to move this up is to get assistance get the tools available because without it it doesn't qualify for anything but tax abatement so we basically have no tools or grants right so then it becomes a waiting game wait it out or we can try to work with Sara touch get tools in our toolbox and hopefully so I mean they will are good on their word and we'll do what they say and as soon as we have something to come to the table with with some public improvements that they'll be ready to redevelop yeah I'm not saying we don't try it again this year but at some point we have to make a decision that where are we gonna send our energy and quite frankly there's a lot of people roaming around this town looking at lots of different properties spend more time getting those done we have a group out here this is waiting to see what we'll give them as opposed to people who are waiting to are absolutely looking to do things I think a lot of our energies need to just be spent on those people I don't know any madam mayor and council to answer kind of the fundamental question from councilmember workman this is your document so we are adopted we're you this is before you for your priorities for 2020 certainly in 2020 we are gonna be revisiting it again for 2021 so based on your leadership and guidance we will we will develop that legislative priorities from that so I think you raised some very good points I think it's a good conversation for the council to have but this this is an annual document and it's certainly not written in stone and I like to clarify I'm not asking to strike this now or you know set a time table but I think it's something that we need to be conscious of as we review this because there is a level of uncertainty tied to it and I think uncertainty can prevent things from happening when we would like them to and it's a good conversation to have next year I also will not ask that this be struck I will say that the Burnsville Center is not high on my priority list personally as a council member until they decide it is high on their priority list and we do have other parts of this city that are revitalizing they're ready to go and it does deserve our attention so I am not asking for this to be struck I do understand that this is a legislative priority agenda this is not a City focus agenda what our city focus priority is and I i appreciate the the definition between the two and so you're okay with I'm this year yep I'm I'm okay with this staying in for this year okay dance thank you madam mayor I want to echo Miss Faulkner's comments we were late trying to pull all that together because of the timing of our study so it was our first shot at it but it wasn't there wasn't much ramp up time this year certainly have enough better options or better opportunity with some time to educate the legislature so I think it has to certainly have stay and I agree with the rest of council there will come a time when it could be working against us instead of for us but I would have to I I can't let councilmember Gustafson's comment go by without getting some resounding support from me I think our biggest problem or biggest opportunity in the mall is the ownership we've been hearing lip service for the last three and a half four years and I'm quite frankly tired of it and I think they need to get off it move on or get serious about investing in that Center and there's not much we can do as a council but I've been I'm tired of listening to chatter and seeing absolutely nothing happen other than backfilling at low rents and not taking care of the place I've made some comments to the mall manager noting the embarrassment that I felt walking in that Center and seeing how they were treating it they were treating it like it was the last thing on their priority of over a hundred centers and we deserve better in Burnsville thank you is there anything else about the priorities I think we have the priorities and everybody is in agreeable and there's consensus about those items to be deleted from the items that we are supporting and just monitoring okay all right thank you so much nice job I thought yeah to reviewing okay now we are at the development tools and I think we have our economic development commissioners here this evening and so you guys I don't just listen closely and I don't know if we can get up all around the table could we possibly entertain the idea of allowing our EDC members to take the place of our city staff members at the table so they could engage in the discussion yeah and pull up some city staff if you can pull up chairs behind me the EDC members so staff is available and having young Ken absolutely so if we can have the EDC members into the table we'll get all cozy around here we'll get all cozy so we need a consultant from Ehlers next to skip it's crammed in here we have everybody here okay for everyone who's listening this item is the development tools policy process and the requirement discussion skipping house our economic development coordinator is going to lead us up and introduce our consultant and then we move through what our policies are today and what you're looking at in terms of the future if I could just a little timeline as to how we got here in May the EDC reviewed TIF 9 they did make a recommendation for the EDA to adopt TIF district 9 and during that discussion there was an inquiry about whether or not we could require enhanced materials the EDA did discuss the enhanced materials in June they did approve district 9 but did not add enhanced materials to the development agreement in July and councils request we had the developer come back to review the materials that were being used in the project and again at that point in time there were no changes to those materials but during this process staff did recommend that possibly maybe what counsel EDA might want to do is actually review our whole developmental tools policy to see if we should make any changes with that in mind in August you might remember that we held a joint council EDC training session we had elders our consultant walk us through that kind of gave us a basic TIF 101 discussion and with that we are here before you tonight to take a look at the developmental tools policy and see one do you want to make changes to the policy and number two if you do what types of changes you might want to make in your background report we supplied you with some comments and recommendations from both elders our financial advisory firm and Kennedy engraving our EDA legal counsel we also supplied you with a draft policy from Roseville that Ehlers has done to give you an example of what a new policy could be with that being said madam mayor I'd like to have us engage in the discussion of the questions that were provided to you in your background and the first basic question I think before council and EDC is do we want to change and our update our developmental tools policy Council members what we yes I just said I personally like the Roseville draft I think that's you said that there was a that was a draft but they're reviewing or is that in place already they've approved a version that's basically the same as in your packet okay yeah my I thought it was pretty good it seemed to get to where I thought we were trying to get to well the other piece that staff had outlined in the background is that instead of having three policies for development if an abatement is to go into one policy and then I reviewed the Roseville policy to see that it is all incorporated in that one policy so I agree that we should just have one policy that looks at development and the economic development tools that we have in our bucket if you will for doing development redevelopment in the city and I don't know what because in reviewing all of it them madamme I believe what I've heard so far is yes to the first two questions yeah update the policy and make it one policy yes the other piece that I don't want to lose is when you look through all of our documents one of the things that I've liked about our documents and is the application for TIF when you look at that and I remember that this was an effort that was we didn't have the Economic Development Commission but we had the Economic Development Committee that was comprised of both the Chamber of Commerce and appointments from the city and Darwin Bolton was the lead a chairperson on that and they did all of this and what I liked is that it is very transparent so if anybody asks us because this is the when they when people come in and request financial assistance when you look at that document I can clearly answer any of those things that people would want to know what's the total estimate of the project cost because there is a worksheet it tells you what they're working on it tells you how much it is going to be the the wage and then all of such the subjective analysis that's in there and then the fund ability guidelines I like that document again why do I like it it because it gives a complete transparent approach that people will see this is how much the private investment is here's the EDA public investment and here's the total investment so it's so clear to our residents what all of that is and I believe that we still have used that in terms of the funder Willet guidelines for TIF I know that we did that during the heart of the city and any of the other tip tip 1 & 2 yes I believe when we had discussion on the application and there's a scoring system in the back it came out to the discussion that we didn't use the scoring system that the person applying would fill out the form but it hadn't been necessarily used as the basis and I think it says at the top of the form that the fund ability thank you that the fund ability it just says that the city of Burnsville and Economic Development Authority will make any decision on term it doesn't necessarily use the rubric and I think that was the discussion to that the rubric wasn't used it doesn't mean that you'll get it huh if I could matter I would totally agree with you it does not mean that you would get it one of the things that was supplied to you in your background was the draft that Roseville uses which is a little more specific and a little cleaner and it does not have that points system one of the preconceived notions from some developers is if they score the points they're guaranteed it no that is not true that's not what I'm hearing from you is you want to stay with the application we have now and not remove the part that has all of the scoring points to see if I would be in favor from the business side perspective that if we're not going to stick by the point system on a regular basis that we eliminate the points entirely from the application and not have the person applying go through the process of filling out their scorecard when we're not necessarily scoring it at the end anyway because it even is today we don't it's not a it's not a for sure but it is a fund ability guideline for staff to say yeah you you can apply yeah but Vince I'd like to come back to that because that's an interesting point but I wanted to call attention to the Roseville document and if this exists in our wording already you can stop me but a couple of things that jumped out at me were a point about how public financing will not be used to support speculative commercial office or housing projects I like that because I believe we've got TIF districts that have been out in the books for years and never come to fruition is that correct we approved TIF in certain areas and then no development has occurred Jenny do we have any TIF districts that well we only a well the heart of the city is that one piece to finish a park there are there are one TIF agreement on the Wellington property oh we have never made a payout because they haven't they haven't done the retail building they have done the CVS building yeah customer workmen may be referring to TIF 8 yeah which we created the district we have yet to certify the district and probably will remove that district because we haven't certified it in the last three years and that is the soils correction district no that's an economic development district across from the high school oh yes and it was to say and I see that they've been moving some dirt around there that's correct madam and so and some of that and and and I get the market and all of that it's not sold yeah Jenny man we also add on TIFF 7 is the mrq district and so while that was certified and created back in you know jeez Oh 8 I want to say 9 but we always have night to correct the soils we have not done any private development agreements yet on that but we do anticipate we've met all the qualifying criteria both and you may recall the property values actually went negative for a series a year so there was no increment to be had even with the existing tax base now that that's come up and we've had some other projects that have come in under have come in got their permits have not asked for assistance there is increment to be had and we're looking at how we can use that to support funding for public improvements in the area so it's taken a while I'm just because of the dip in the economy and then construction so there haven't been any development agreements councilmember workman on that one but it's not all for naught it's just it's a timing thing and then now that we have market projects and I think it's part of what we have done if I look at tip 1 and 2 it's being patient with the market not exactly certain when we bring this up as far speculative development ghost the TIF district that was recently created did did that developer have commitment letters for that entire space when applying if I could madam mayor Oh skip TIF 9 the most recent that building is under construction but it is a speculative building difference with TIF 8 same developer is the agreement was we would create to fade but not certify until they had one user so it's not the start to the clock or three years into this and they do not have the one user and again as I said we probably will need to have that district removed we can start over again whenever they get it they get a user sure what what may help console is the last two districts the two districts that this council is probably most familiar with our districts that have been created for one construction project as opposed to a district such as TIF one tip to tip six remarkable projects if you do not want to assist a speculative project you could have that in your policy for a specific development in a district if the district was larger you might still want to create that district for some of the development is going to go on if you had that in your policy that there would not be for speculative then when TIF 8 came before you and Tiffany came before you staff would inform the developer that this would not be something that cut that council EDA would be granting because it's a speculative development I'm okay with you know because we have always said that we don't fund speculative development Tiff's nine have we ever done speculative development not a tough one and - yeah that is but one and two in the heart of the city one two and six were were district with much more parcels in them yeah I guess the point was a stand and this development as it came forward yeah was then and entered into its own agreement within those districts okay yeah danke Brady's point about not using the scoring system I would agree why do we have it if we're not going to use it number but back to our original I mean I reading through the Roseville application and their policy it's a lot cleaner simpler to the point and are you situate forward yeah I mean it's just the easier read it's easier to understand ours is pretty complex so his staff not making a recommendation but asking for some direction that we take our three and consolidated and one and use this Roseville policy as a model to follow because it is good I mean I it's I read and understand every aspect of it it seemed like a really good one I started reading through ours again and I got confused where I was and what I was talking about so I would suggest we move forward with adopting a new policy that that is using that one as a model and in our consultants input the guide through that and then their application I thought was good too it seemed to ask all the right questions I don't know if our application there's aspects of our application that we'd want to maybe integrate and you know find a a combined one that that hits all the points that we need but there's their application was actually pretty straightforward - I thought so I don't think we need to reinvent the wheel I think we need to reinvent our wheel and model it after this one I I do want us to talk about so one of the things that you brought up is when TIFF 9 came before us is that you didn't see all of the background material which is all the fund ability guidelines and I just like you're fine I like the clarity of that and maybe you can speak to it skipping if I could Madame mayor while it is not part of the policy one of staff's recommendations is that we go back to a prior process that we had and that is after staff and our financial adviser reviews the application our financial adviser will issue a memo which basically covers why we believe it meets the but-for test and and I think it's even a more clearer document than just giving you an application with a number of responses this is something that staff and our financial advisor have now delved into had conversations with the developer and can produce for you a memo explaining why we believe that this is something that you should consider adopting it I think that'll get us to where we want to go I don't know with what everybody but I so the thing is your first question do we need to update the tool the development tool policy is there a yes yes yes because I thought you know let's look at and I like what you did for Roseville but again there are some things that I liked about what we had done simply because if a resident asks me about all of these things I have something to go back and say yeah we did the due diligence and here's what it looks like okay so Roseville question man Mary yeah did you and your firm have anything to do with developing the Rose Bowl yeah they did yeah yeah that way it's so good because it's really wrong Mary why I mean I'm reading it reading ours going this is this is really much easier to understand also if we can understand it then certainly the developers and staff we're gonna embrace it a lot easier than ours I think so I again I'll go back there's a reason why it's done well now I understand even better why because you helped them develop it I'll say two things about that we we didn't help them write it but they also committed a lot of time as a council and put a lot of thought into the things that they wanted to include within that policy so that helps a lot and I think what we talked about early on is that you've already put in I think a lot of that time with your economic development retreat plan when we got the same kind of feedback from you through that process that we normally would get from a council to include into a policy I think that's part of a recommendation that the staff is making is that we really draw from that to really informed like the desired qualification section of the plan so that's kind of what the thought was about that if that seemed you know agreeable Tamara I'm with you and most everyone else it appears that we are coming to consensus on this well I'm not excited about all the tools that we do implement I am very excited about transparency and putting things into plain language that everyone can understand so absolutely update the the tools policy I'm in favor of one policy like you I you know in talking about that memo I think that's I think that's really good if you know if how many employees are you going to have and how choose how much are you gonna pay you yeah you know that you know just putting it out clearly why it's recommended the point system yeah I mean if if if it's not take away the system but answer the questions right yeah you know what's the point um so yeah I mean I'm I'm up on all of that yeah the the update the application and if if elders feels that a guided joint session is something that they they would need to complete this task with staffed I'm I'm on board with that but I will I will leave that to you okay because you said we talked about growing the tax base what we have in our application it says what's the projected tax revenue that we're going to get so that so when somebody talks to me about that I said here we're going to they're gonna get TIF but here's what it's going to get gained the city here's I know let's not talk about return on investments but what's the projected tax revenue I think that's something that people would like to know the other is what's the service impact what's the type of development I mean we know that ourselves and so take away the point systems but I think some of this stuff is really good for our residents to understand if the other thing that so I'm going to switch over to the Roseville so one of the things that you also talked about is fiscal disparities coming out of the the project yeah I think that's good the other part that I wanna ask about is that you had something in the Roseville policy that has to do with public finance and that's where there's some bonding the objective for public finance so help me understand how you did this because how is it going to impact our bond rating or are we just a conduit because that isn't spelled out in this and this is the Roseville policy that I'm looking at and it's under City objectives for the use of public finance I I don't want anything to to have a negative impact on our bond rating and I don't know how that's going to affect our debt so I have the questions around you guys have to figure that all out Jenny and Melanie and skip this public finance pieces I'm concerned about Marin and council an EVC so we would generally these policies are written such that we generally just don't recommend you bond at all for economic don't want it in there oh sure well you know I don't want it as because people would look at that and say oh you can bellend for us know so we can not include that reference to bonding certainly oh I don't know about my colleagues but I don't want to use the city's powers to bond for a development and Leonard it has a negative impact on our bond rating yeah so two things one and I yes absolutely do not want to do no way if at any time that you do contemplate issuing debt whether it's for development or any other purpose we're always gonna be looking at what impact that may have on your bond rating just as your advisor in general to make sure that's not gonna have a negative impact so why have it well they're the only reason why and this is again Roseville's policy yeah is that there are instances over rare they might be where a city actually does decide that it wants to issue debt for some kind of a high-priority project and I'm thinking of that may not be you at all and I that's completely fine and but like assembling a redevelopment site for example that the private market isn't assembling it's a reason why cities have done that we have a triple-a bond rating and one of the things that I am always very cautious about it's losing that because once it's lost it is hard to get back and no way after all of the hard work to get it a triple-a bond rating I do not want to lose that rating because it has a direct impact on on our borrowing powers I know you must remove bond no bond yes I'm wondering if the last question is becoming more important because unless were prepared to go through all of this tonight which I don't think we are I would maybe be wise for us to just do well let's schedule a joint meeting and then draw our sleeves up and maybe dig into this so let's make sure we stay at the policy level and leave the details to staff so the thing is yes we need one one one policy and I'd like to see that but the pieces that I look through and really is the public finance piece and I had a conversation with Melanie and I said just locate with tools but I'm not going to put the city's no I'm not gonna put the city in jeopardy yeah that suggests that we have staff bringing out bring back a draft and we all sit together and go over it once understand tellers and then we just will go back and forth we need we need for staff to take a look you've gotten some some nuggets from us this evening and see what we can do with it but word that public finance stuck it's really nice for Roseville I just be curious what other cities had bonded for in what sort of high level priority that they were that they were looking at that that it rose to that so eliminating from the policy understand maybe not wanting to we can take a little bit but I just you right over here infrastructure or something like I mean I they're safer bonding flirt and did you say I remember when they did that but boy that was a tough thing to do that the bonds paternity yeah because it was highly leveraged I mean it was like he's only 20 cents on the dollar so it was 80% cash up but use the other thing there was a great and there was a great incentive because the investors got a huge discount when a city bonds it no I get that but at the same time with tourney being a 501 C 3 there was no tax base also yeah right now well let's yeah Jenny I would just add I believe in Roseville they have their own HRA and they may bond for affordable housing projects as well that might be that's what a lot of cities do bond for affordable housing so yeah we die we don't there we don't need to pay know we don't have an HRA but just yeah that's the other than others have a lot of a suitable housing in Burnsville I just finished the whole budget book I see where our per capita income is I see everything else that's been in that budget book and let me tell you we're okay we have a lot of fordable housing if I could Madame mayor if staff and Ehlers is gonna bring back a draft policy I'd like to go back to that third question I'm assuming that we will want the draft to be the basis of the draft be our academic development strategic plan and we take in all that information that we gathered yes we adopted it so we might it might as well use it use the information that came out of that and it's already adopted and so protect you do public financing but no bonds not at this time I'm not open to that but maybe others might be but if I could recap madam mayor I believe the direction is that staff and Ehlers will draft a one policy developmental tool for the EDA and EDC to review and we will draft an application that will remove the scores but have everything else that you need we'll bring that back to a future work session again a joint work session we can engage in a discussion at that at that point you can pick and choose and you'll be looking at your draft versus the Roseville draft yeah thank you don't want anything to affect that bond rating any other thoughts comments thank you for all of the work and getting us to to continue to improve the way that we do things so thank you very much okay [Music] the next item is the discussion of single-family refuse containers screening and Chris for Aslan is a code enforcement coordinator well certainly not as glamorous as economic development the subject of resident single-family refuse containers greeting is certainly near and dear to my heart it is for a couple reasons first off its you know statistically probably our number one complaint that we hear and also it's probably the number one violation we have so people take are very passionate and Burnsville about refuse cans screening and it's interesting that we were looking at our code as far as I could go back has been in the books since probably the mid-1980s it may go back even farther I'm not sure and nearly every city has something that talks about this but one of the things that's we looked at was exactly you know what other cities are doing and and some of the obstacles that people encounter for not complying and I've got a few just pictures here that we see when we're gonna feel that we hear why people can't screen for it perhaps is maybe their lay if there are property as such they gotta pull it up hill they have to or if they got way too many cans for some reason we encounter a lot of these things in the field and staff have to make some staff judgments a lot of times on what do is it in compliance or not and and what can they do we run into things like whether for example which will be coming up we hear them quite often that well the snows in a way we can't put it behind a house we can't put it inside or it's combined with other violations that we see in any case this is a daily occurrence that we have and and does not say it's exciting I'm on the receiving end of a lot of these calls and I try to answer everybody's questions we certainly try to work with everybody to find common solutions to these issues so what we thought we'd take a look at tonight for discussion is a little bit well what some of the screening options have been in the past some light latticework so people can't see it from the road our code does require 100% screening visible either from adjacent properties or from the storefront or the street fronts behind a solid wall which we see and as well as some vegetation being used which is yeah we have the occasional Charlie Brown tree that's covering it up and people want to call that screening we try to work with people but as you can see the whole point of this is we got a variety of conditions here that affect our ability to enforce this call taking a brief look at our market cities a little bit what they did what they have done is they have all got at least some language in the with your each location for storage locations whether it be as I would say simple as Rapids which would be behind the existing front yard setback all the way to completely screened from view like Brooklyn Parks and various points in between so there's a variety of different things that can be done or that other cities require I should say that meanwhile we may want to consider you know I'm losing my voice here but almost all of them have something requiring where the cans can be stored as well as what the screening materials would be so all over the place on screen materials some of the issues again residential screen is number one and it's the number one complaint very difficult to achieve complete screening in a lot of respects thank you weather and seasonal conditions can contribute and we get a lot of ordered complaints well why can't we put it in a garage well it smells understood and buffer screening can be very loosely interpreted so it kind of gives us some tough decisions that we have to make sometimes to find solutions so a bigger question say is you know did you know do we need to get additional information on this and with cones like to go forward with changing the existing code so what'd you miss telling everybody yeah is that when we started this back in 2014 there were 406 violations and then now in 2019 you only have 135 and because of the things that you do with regard to just being kind and just letting people know there has been in some effects positive effects and I think looking at where we were and where we are today what are the things that we can do better we've made a concerted effort because we know this is this is a time constraint on staff it's it's certainly a time on resources to let people know that this is not what you know the code says and it's not the standard that historically the city's lived up to and so the response generally especially we still get people that don't know about it and those may be newcomers coming into the city or may be folks that well I've lived here 50 years and nobody's ever said anything about it before so the a new neighbor that says you know I like to make sure that the the price of my whole my continues to improve right and you know you certainly can't miss those you know brightly colored cart centers sitting out there so it's something that people readily identify as well so it is a big focus and and as I mentioned earlier people are very passionate about this and I'm amazed that you know some of the discussions I've had with folks about how they feel about this Karen I thank you very much and thank you so much for getting the side-by-side on what what comparable cities do that's really helpful especially dividing it between where do you put it versus screening because those are those are two different things definitely completely does counsel wish to change the existing code my preference is yes that we do change the existing code I do know that this takes up quite a bit of your staff time and you know the focus of your staff I mean really so when you guys are doing code enforcement you guys are really focusing on safety issues like things that can become become a problem for people we try to triage yeah absolutely and instead we have you dealing with is this 100% screened or not 100% screened and I would like to have this much easier and clarified similar to how we were doing with business since we looked at business and we changed code for business we should be looking at residential and changing that for for residential as well and making that much easier to comply with and clear maybe focusing more on where is the garbage can rather what is the screening material is that a hundred percent screened can visitation be used as a screen that that type of thing where you guys are having to to really take a lot of time and work with people on so that is my view on this but yeah well as I Drive around our city I could point out lots of violations around the city of our current code and I guess for me a if you're not leaving it in the street where we bring it every Tuesday or Wednesday or Thursday and you're bringing it up and put it in front of your garage or on the side of your house you're not on the street itself as people are driving down the street and I think that's more important than whether it sits right outside my garage and I can just throw the trash in there and not have the mice in my garage at the same time I've never liked the fact that we tell people to put it in their garage because I can tell you as I get around there are mice in a lot of these garages because garbage is in those garages it attracts the critters as much as people try and keep them out it does attract critters to the house itself right so I've to me if you I can see our orders changing that we have they have to have it up by the house or on the side of the house but not necessarily storage locations from other cities you know you have Lakeville that's within the principal structure or within an accessory enclosure so they don't fool around with screening period you put it from plain view is when we you know we everyone it's remove from plain view they don't they don't deal with the screening so you know Minnetonka says out of public view except on the day of collection so maybe out of the public view if you are driving down the street it's on the side of the house or in the back of the house or wherever but it's very clear they don't deal with the screening part it's just plymouth says at or near the back door or in near the garage of the building or at the rear of the property if there is any alley that was creative huh I thought that was creative yeah so you look at it in every one of our market studies don't deal with screening like we do they're all saying just get it out of my sight and I think the big thing is that you have a lot of conflicts out there because you're trying to determine is it screened appropriately you just had one and you called it a Charlie Brown tree that you're screening that's exactly so get out of the screening business and just on to put it inside the garage or like Lakeville says within the principal structure or within an accessory enclosure I make it simple so so I know that we went with squealing to be flexible but the flexibility is creating more problems I'm gonna throw something out there personally I'm not concerned about if it's inside of a principal structure or accessory dwelling if it's outside it this is just my preference it should be at or behind the property line and I like the idea of it directly abutting the principal or structure or accessory structure so if you're gonna keep it on the side of your house you got to keep it kind of tucked yeah as close to the side of the house as you can when I my neighbor Doug found out I was on the Planning Commission know one of the first things he said to me was that he got a yeah I call his call my nasty gram in that's probably right but he got a letter a suggestion because his garage kind of butts out past his home and so he keeps it next to his house but kind of behind his garage so you really couldn't see it unless he hit it at the perfect angle and some somebody saw it and I look out my bedroom door at it I'm sorry my bedroom window every morning at it and it doesn't really bother me but I kind of envision that as being just fine so I guess my suggestion would be at or behind the front of the structure and then if you could put in a budding the principal structure accessory structure I would be not in the front of the house but on the side I'm okay with the side of the house that's mine but it's not weird people just care if I can ask a question so and one of the screens you showed a house and we have I mean Burnsville is saying holy not just like pancake flat like we have wheels yeah lots of heels so you should one of the houses where the the cans were pulled up but like they have that driveway that's just like like that and then it was it was right yes so but some of them have it where like that whole front like that whole front there up so getting getting to the side of a yard how how would that be for them like because you see all these houses you're out there all the time so how specifically why I wanted to put this one in here just by design there's an some inherent difficulties with people complain with some of this as well we don't have a one size fit all what we do kind of but there's situations where we have to use best judgement as well and back to you know putting it behind the face of the house I I look at something like this as being a difficulty then if you look at a duplex or a townhouse 2000 dragging it across your yard then - because if your garage is this shared point of the twin home then here that doesn't make a lot of sense either this other side you know when you look at some of the duplexes Oh in your neighborhood they they put him on the side and you might own that all the homicide summer summer fence Dennis Hardy yeah and you don't do I don't see a lot of those garbage containers in the front when your so the duplexes that are are not on the Parkway before you get to your neighborhood I don't see garbage cans when I go by except for your net madam mayor you don't notice when you're on the Parkway cuz I think as the homes back up to it that's why I don't notice it you have to actually go down the street to get to the front and that's what we enforce is from the front of this history exactly I don't notice them either but those are expenses and vegetation you know there's a lot of yeah yeah we we have to make sometimes unpopular decisions based on what we're seeing you know and really pick our battles on what we consider you only if we were viewing from the street exactly what you know if it constitutes what a violation very subjective sometimes yeah you liked the Plymouth one because you thought it was creative I like creativity and you know if it addresses some of those yeah it says near the back door and or near the garage Kenneth was on that stood out to me as well what was it I I when I run through the list Plymouth was also the one that I I noticed so if I may ask a terrifying on Plymouth so a door near the back door which I I get or near the garage of the building yes or at the rear of the property if there is an alleyway so the in or near the garage of the building that is them pulling that up to just like in that photo with the steep well it's just like that right that's what they would be able to do I I guess I would look at it that way yeah okay yeah I like that yeah that's a safety thing I like it it's we're not having them in the streets cuz I you know we don't want them just hanging out in the street right oh yeah my I actually like that yeah and that's what I was looking at too is you know you know Lakeville just says that helps put it in a principle structure or within an accessory enclosure there's no sight only two ways Plymouth's it I think if they put it in the back you know they can drag it out to the street if that's it the other one was Minnetonka just says just get it out of the public's view except on the dam collection they also have five car garages and meta so let me ask you this are you all in agreement and about the Plymouth I like that's easy and we get out of the screening business does that work for you mayor members of the council I don't and if I can come to my workman it doesn't matter what works for us right well it's your policy and yeah this is a policy discussion and it is I believe a very controversial one and you are gonna get phone calls staff is going to be both directions both directions yes so with that kind of leads to the next question because I think that some of the changes that you're making some people are really gonna like and some people are really gonna not like and so taking away any screening requirement I think is probably the biggest one more over location so the question to you if there's a hearing consensus that you want to change this and certainly will you are the policy makers we will do that is there anything with community engagement that you would like us to do specifically we can put stuff on the website we can take a survey the public hearing will be at the Planning Commission if you know but if you know what you want to do already you know what you want to do already so you just ask the question as your staff what your expectation is for public outreach on this okay I would like the real estate community to weigh in on this but also others to weigh in on it because they're the ones out there selling houses and what is it that they see and what is it that they're what are their thoughts yeah I would I would say that we've had some of these ordinances in place so long the people that have screening will continue to use the screening area they built it that's where their trash cans are they're not gonna suddenly just move it off to another part of their house they're gonna they're gonna use this and it helped to take care of the piece some other people and Sarah do have hard where they put that that garbage and that it just takes care of that problem as well so you're saying just do some screening so bread well they're screening they're gonna continue to use the screening when I got tell them to take it down so they'll do that than the ones the ones that can't get it to the side of their house because of whatever problems or they can that can get take care of now they can put in front of their garage and not worry about having to pull their car and not put the garbage behind them no take the garbage out pull my car out now let's put the garbage back in the garage again which happens in some of these homes it's grandfather in screen yeah then I don't want to move the dial backwards but to Jenny's question would it be a lot of effort if we were to do some type of Community Survey engage I'd like a way to we do things get the public involved and see if there is a hard preference one way or the other if I care you know I read okay so as we saw with the same sustainability survey um it's hard to find when we do these things so I like that I mean this is on trail that we have to we have to hold a public hearing and people will come like because people will hear about that and they will come and they will engage at that public hearing and we can ask them questions they can ask staff questions personally I think on this particular issue that's a better way to engage because it needs to be a discussion rather than ten people were able to find the survey that was buried on our website and I am not I'm not saying she had to staff I'm just study they it's there's effort and making sure everyone sees oh yeah okay but yeah we really need a discussion missioner you had a thought sure absolutely yeah this is a huge this is a reason I'm here yeah what got me all sparked up to come yeah getting a violation letter yeah yeah and then give your name give your name so that people who are watching us know who you are in your address Chris Kluwe beater 500 interlocking Road so I the reason I'm here is because I got a letter from some from the city about being violation of trash can so there's several other people in our neighborhood and I don't know it's because I saw the guy driving up and doing it and I actually approached him asking what he's doing cause I'm not in an unmarked Prius and it looked really suspicious driving up to a house looking writing stuff down driving up so I asked him what he was doing and he was bit apprehensive to answer the whole thing tied together to feel I talked with people my neighborhood about if they got the letter to and knock down some doors talk to when I saw him Ralph and the whole thing to everyone who got a violation letter the overwhelming feeling was it was oppressive if somebody coming watching what you're doing on your property where you live the property you paid for in America telling you that you're not really doing much wrong but we're still gonna come by and just monitor little details about you with a visible trash can not visible because everybody who had one had it on the side of the house but was visible and that was the problem where it felt like I'm not really doing much wrong why are you nitpicking and wrecking my day when you look at these a time talking where people some people didn't say that it affects property values they felt I have you have to find a study that says it affects property value if we go to discussion on this I believe that that number needs to that some kind of data in that way it needs to be there to help relax the argument because otherwise your spectively arguing between two sides besides you don't want people making and telling them what to do versus the side that says it's going to affect their dollars beside that affect their dollars so far hasn't come up with a presentation of to what degree in what level I don't think it's gonna be that big of a deal but that's just my with as far as but I think that to keep the arguments low and keep the heat down we need to have data presented there that make sense good it's the other thing that I'm going to also say to our staff be open and transparent if you're out and about and you're doing a community survey say your name who you are and what you're doing yeah normally we do that but when people come up on a car we we get concerned for safety reasons as well because we've had people verbally physically go after staff in the streets as far as all our vehicles are marked and kind of scratching my head on that one mmm well they might have been marching the battery small but there's no science on the sides this one had no side marking a silver Prius in those side markings that's the reason I went up and asked this is several years ago I don't know if things have changed whatever but okay when you go out here you see all about these I've seen them yeah they're all I do oh go on huh yeah I'm not disagreeing I'm just saying when when and maybe maybe at the time I missed mr. Hughes logo or something like that because I was too either way it was very odd to have somebody driving up sixth house to house to house and just writing things down it felt it's all intrusive and that's one of the argument you're gonna get from the people that feels insurance them to have these people monitoring little issues like yes thank you for the information Chris and so for staff thank you for your time making sure that to people and so um two pieces one is the community engagement if we're going to have a community engagement one of the things because I agree we have a public hearing discussion but Melanie and Jenny I think maybe having Marty put out information about that this is coming in on Facebook and all of our channels so more people understand what we're doing so it's more transparent people can show up and if they have an opinion and they want to give an opinion give them the opportunity of where where to send an email with all of that if they're not going to make it but I want to make sure that people's cesare heard and the other is that I do and and believe me I understand the challenges that staff have when there are angry residents because I've seen it come up to a staff member and then there's a lot of yelling and you can feel very vulnerable and afraid for your safety so I get that but let's find a better way for everybody I'm gonna have Melanie in and I'll come to you yeah no matter Mary was just perhaps just further discussion I was gonna try to capture what I think staff heard but yeah okay did you have some yeah I just want to when we do this make it very clear we're not talking about leaving garbage cans on the streets exactly we don't want everyone thinking oh yeah they can leave a word with it want anymore that's not what we're talking about then we need to make that clear yeah and so when we put out its you know is it inside on the side of the house or screened and also if we have screening in place we can grandfather those screening it that's something we can do eliminate the screening and provision yeah yeah yeah yeah madam mayor and council I mean I I'm hearing that you like the Plymouth language and I think we certainly can work with that and and get the word out and get the process going so yeah I don't exactly and then the other pieces I'm understanding with consensus if people have screening grandfather the screening in yeah we won't eliminate they can still use it of course yeah people could should still be able screen Joanie man you're just a couple of comments will have the city attorney of course review the language that we come up with some of this may be vague and so we just want to be clear and what solutely not allowed and so we'll just make sure that gets taken care of we have been challenged before on certain things so we want to make sure that we have a solid ordinance and there regarding the grandfathering in there's no procedural thing or thing that needs to be done to do that he can still not it illegal for someone to have lattice up or anything like that so that I'll just because it was allowed us there and you didn't see it it was behind us screen okay last thing if I can as timing I'm thinking this might be something we do and get started in January some of what your expectations are pretty busy right now so okay it's not urgent you've got a lot of things we just saw Melanie's 59 report with all of your you're busy with roofs and permits watch yeah so all the information you need yes okay and and in terms of expectations council you all understand this isn't going to come until next year okay Danny next year they've got all of my pieces and enforcement from this day forward we we shouldn't be enforcing something that we've essentially verbally said we're going to remove that a major in council what I what I suggested to councilmember Keely was that we are already reprioritizing some of our staff resources to attend to the backlog and the building permit so certainly this isn't a high priority code enforcement issue for us I mean it's it's a common one but it's not we reprioritize on life safety issues but also respond to the emails and phone calls about this please to ignore what our residents are also because if you guys ignore guess who gets the email we don't who i send it back into our we certainly in council we certainly wouldn't ignore the the public yeah yeah but you know you get a lot of feedback [Laughter] okay that was delicate but we do like dude do so respond okay anything else for staff on this item and Jenny and Melanie and you have it okay we may do it not expecting anything until next year the next item is the food truck ordinance Regina Dean redevelopment coordinator good evening madam mayor members of the council good evening so I think most of you were here in August when the item of food trucks was brought up during roundtable mayor you were absent from that meeting but I know all about it the direction from Council was to essentially relax our current standards for food trucks and basically direction was to allow food trucks and/or be more flexible City to be more flexible to check and see what other cities are doing but to not conduct any additional public outreach basically move this ordinance forward so I'll go ahead and start with our current regulations so currently we consider food trucks or mobile food vendors as transient merchants so we have in our section of title 3 of our city code we talked about transient merchants peddlers and solicitors so it falls under that category we do require that food trucks peddler solicitors transit merchants obtain a license from our Police Department that license is valid for one year what that pays for a staff recovery time as well as background checks to conduct on those individuals or companies we do allow food trucks in many areas of our city now but under certain very specific requirements so we do allow food trucks mobile food vendors within heart of the city in designated areas designated streets where we have public parking within this right of way it's outlined in the city code those specific streets we also allow through trucks within our parks so any one of our city parks through our policy as long as they meet the specific criteria and obtain a private I would say it's a public permit but essentially it's private use within our public parks as long as they follow that policy and we sign off they pay the required fee it would be allowed in our parks we do allow mobile food vending or food trucks within our industrial business and mix zoning districts if a conditional use permit is approved or perhaps a Planning and Development for that specific type of use so commercial business needs to go through that application process is 60 to 90 day process get that specific approval we also allow food trucks mobile food vendors in our industrial and commercial zoning districts if it's for a private event so I'm a corporation I have a lot of employees it's certainly an attractor to you maybe we don't have a cafeteria but we invite food trucks to daily or weekly or as a fun event and then we do allow exemptions for things like the Boy Scouts or having a von Hanson's hotdog sale other charitable organizations and religious institutions can have food trucks and did this provision of the note so those are current regulations we did take an opportunity to survey our market cities it's you know quick email to city staff what do you do usually plot that on a chart and here here's the range so for a one-day that what we saw was zero to fifty dollars per event or an annual permit range of $50 to six hundred and thirty-five dollars for an annual permit so it kind of everything everything in between those market cities most of them I would would allow food trucks for industrial office or privately that's similar to what we do now just like we do for work yep correct and then a few of them allow them in all zoning districts and then generally food trucks or mobile food vending would be prohibited in a single-family residential zoning district unless you're having a private event like a wedding block party something of that nature so staff did take the opportunity to take a look at our current code and how we can make it more flexible in your packets was a red line version affecting three different chapters of title three in summary what we proposed as a staff would be to clarify that mobile food vending or mobile vending food trucks are not a pedlar solicitor or transient merchant so we would still have that in place for the people knocking on your door saying you need a new roof or would you like my window washing service or would you like to buy these magazines kind of that people going on to an individual's property and asking so that would still be in place however we would not consider food trucks under that umbrella we proposed to modify references to bright avoid only so one of the chapters speaks to mobile food vending in parentheses and right-of-way only so we want to make sure that we don't that we provide clarification that we basically would allow food trucks for mobile food vending on private property in the whole zoning districts so tweaking of language to assist with that and then another idea that emerged was to change mobile food vending licenses from one year to three years so this would be specific to your food trucks to your mobile food vendors that that license that background check fee would be $100 still but would be for three years and one year as it is today we received a lot of through the party on the plaza the back to the 80s food event a lot of complaints concerns people saying we're not getting a return on our investment we're probably not gonna return next time or next year so we saw this as a way to be more flexible and to drinking some of those vendors so we do have a number of questions for you to consider and I'll just go through them Arif if I'm a shoe so number one after providing this information and after a couple of months have gone by do you still or do you believe that there should be any additional outreach or study needed and if so who should be included in that that outreach or study dan okay as the requester of this item i sat in a chamber of public policy meeting about a month ago actually and Dan McElroy who used to run the hospitality Association I pleased at the state asked if stakeholders involved in this not only the food truck but also the restaurants an area would be part of the process to be heard and bring out any concerns and I said you know we we certainly can but we were on a track of essentially just making changes to our our ordinance and moving forward and both he and others at that meeting expressed a concern for us just sort of yeah running through it without involving the stakeholder so I would ask the council to step back and let's involve us some folks and and make sure we do this right and involve the stakeholders because we have times there's really no rush the next season is next spring summer and fall and pardon April May April - yeah April May so we have some time I'd like to make sure that we follow a process that involves people and I mean I like the suggestions that staff has made I mean these are all good I would say yes I think it's important for us to recognize the everyone who could be affected by this I think I think it's all in a positive way because what we're doing and what drove me to bring this up is watching the demographic shifts in the money spent by Centennial's and Millennials on food going out eating out it's dramatically higher than any historical demographic from 18 to 35 and that's driving the restaurant industry as a whole but it may not be a sit-down restaurant it's fast food it's quick food it's quick serve or what do you call it like Culver's fast casual and food trucks are part of that and we all are familiar with the explosive growth that they're having across the country so I think we're responding by being more flexible by giving the market what it needs to continue to encourage that growth and give people what they're looking for but along the way it's important to get stakeholder input and listen to their concerns and make sure everybody's on board with what we do going forward and I agree one of the things that we do in Burnsville is being open and transparent and having people be inclusive in the discussion as we make our decisions on all of these ordinances the other thing is that we need to be very cognizant about our brick and mortar and that they continue to be viable so their voices need to be heard they should be at the table and they should understand what is going on and have a voice and so I I like that direction and we have time but be inclusive all affected parties should have a voice and going forward just like we do with signs just like we do with anything else is to be open and transparent just quick follow-up before a night I don't want even more to say I'm a big free-market fan and I think when we govern business or preclude them from doing business because we're trying to protect another business that's bad government so I want to have the discussion I want them at the table to talk about it but I also believe that when the market is saying this is what we want we shouldn't be saying well you can't do it there and you can't do it there because we're trying to protect an existing business that's not something I support here so I I wanted to ask did they articulate what their concern was um we didn't get into any I guess level of detail that I would want to represent today but we do have I came for president here if she would like to comment Jennifer you want to come to the table yes jennifer harman yeah chamber 12:20 Bluebell Bay Road I think the concern was transparency yes I think the Public Policy Committee the chamber in general is very supportive of the direction of the council whether it's screening of garbage cans or loosening of regulation that frees up the market I think there's positive feeling about that it's just transparency of the process so I think the questions that came up were things like so food service whether it's brick-and-mortar or in a food truck or other venue is a super thin margin operation right yeah and so I think it's great that the city is looking at the fees and making sure that the fees are in line but also making sure that the fees are in line with the actual staff time and things associated with the implementation of it and so making sure that those fees are fair and reasonable and covering your costs because on the flip side you do have bricks and mortar rust that our tax payers that cover the staff time and things like that and so it's just I think there were not there were not red flags there were not things like we don't think it should be expanded we don't think this is a good idea it was simply transparency food-truck people should be at the table restaurant should be at the table and then you're elected to make those decisions yeah yeah we appreciate the the review of the issue I think it's a good one yeah and that's what I've heard from people they want transparency and they want to have a voice yeah I agree there should be transparency in all of this I will say that food trucks are something that are here to stay yeah many food trucks have gone to Brooke and mortar many Brookes and mortars actually on food trucks as well so they're out there putting their trucks and other areas I think creating just so you understand food trucks pay taxes to they collect a sales tax I know three of them that actually lived here in Burnsville that have food trucks so I mean there's our own residence or here paying taxes so I don't think that's the issue here I know the issue is a private property owner who owns a property if they want to have a food truck on it they should be able to do that that's that's what it really comes down to and we shouldn't be legislating somehow that no you can't have it on your property but the guy two blocks down the street can cuz they're out of this zone or something like that and I do have another question are the trucks that are in these areas right now in our city or all those businesses got to see you pee so they could be their trucks food trucks all over burns off a different CU P is on every one of those food trucks I'm not aware I don't know I was I was shocked when I heard that you get it had to get a COPD and be in an area it makes no sense to me that's a pretty high threshold but things be able to do business there I mean I appreciate the conversation but I gotta say again I agree at the end this isn't about protecting the girls and mortars of no man train can't approach it that way because for me it's about transparency and everybody having a voice I understand that yeah and I agree it's it's not like we're doing doing this in the middle of the night this this we're being recorded this is being streamed this is transparency having a public meeting public hearing that also is transparency and generally speaking when we do these types of things that's the process we we go through is you know this comes up it comes before work session we discuss you know kind of consensus on a direction we want to go staff works with it it goes in front of Planning Commission there's a public hearing there is a process so my question is are we asking that an additional step be placed in there in addition to our normal process so if I may answer the changes that we're proposing in the draft only will go to City Council because they're entitled so they would not go to a public hearing they would not should go to a public hearing as my opinion the Planning Commission would not the record don't see a public hearing open microphone lay anybody talked to once a target yeah is that is that can we we can do that yes you know do whatever you want the hearing in a prospective we don't call it a public hearing but we have public input fantastic we can do public input because we don't do a public hearing on these kinds of things but we can say we will open up for public input I love that that would be fantastic I think yeah but as for me I like what the staff has proposed I I think that's absolutely reasonable so yeah if we have that come back before council and have public input rather than a public hearing I am I am very very in favor of that everybody yeah I just needed some clarification on a few points dan touched on it so for the conditional use permit that's not going to be applicable because that really only pertains to transient merchants it's correct that's correct that's how it's spelled out and so peddler transit merchants would still have to go through a CEP process if they were to be located on private property in those zoning districts okay and then I'm gonna go to Jenny I would just add counsel think of the fireworks tents those are things that have their they're on a more day-to-day seasonal basis those have Co peace with for them city parks would you can have a food truck in city parks would they still need to be charged the food truck fee and the park user fee and do we know what that fee schedule looks like Melanie I don't know what this your are madam mayor and council I don't know what the fee schedule is off the top of my head I don't know our planning staff don't know for park you specific now they would still let parks does now is they would require a background check for food trucks entering like for a party on the plaza for example we go back to the 80s event children the background checks were done we're paid for and done I think another another component of that it's very common to pay for use of public property it is a private entity that is charging the public for use so it is very common for that used to be charged the the background on that question is if you had a soccer tournament at River Hills Park and they wanted to call a food truck to come and surf the crowd so then that food truck would pay the food truck fee and then the park use fee hmm but that soccer tournament probably also paid that park use fee so it's a very specific scenario but you know I just put together a social gathering at a park with the food truck are you doubling your park use fee with a food truck and then the group that's also renting typically getting you know double charging but we will certainly get back this is just that well someone would have a license to be to be a food truck vendor in the city that's their license yes so but then they're being charged to go into a park parking lot to serve in that I think that weird staff will do some research and come back to us okay other than that I don't have any really specific Oh when you have your hand and a pen up I'm thinking you you probably cover this but what is that fee for I maybe just missed it the initial the relations to be in the city the license fee pays for the background check the actual states police department system that they have access to and then also cost recovery for the staff time to do that so for some people it might be a simple one state check for people that have changed names over the years move states over the years that might actually not cover the whole show really good for criminal record or what do we would a criminal record preclude someone from getting a license because they have a point there were jail once and now they're out and they have a food cake with berries now madam mayor and council I I don't I'm not an attorney so I won't talk we tend to be one but in my experience we usually look at the depth and the breadth and the scope of the violation and there's the freshness so we would work that through our attorneys I mean a simple violation in your past wouldn't be an automatic disqualifier I would suggest try and get a fresh start and sometimes we don't I was just gonna wrap up the discussion after you're done so we have clear direction so yeah I just want to make sure we we're walking away here and meeting your expectations and so there's consensus to change the ordinance yeah there's consensus to put this on a regular council meeting agenda for one publicly in public input as part of that so we won't do any special meetings or outreach with anyone but we will let them know about the opportunity to speak before you and I think it would be really good again to put it on on all of our channels so a wide breadth of people know and also you can defer leave to public policy agenda so that people know that we've addressed it and we have a pathway forward so that they can do that dance we just want to reiterate what a by not reaching out to anybody so we're not gonna notify the food trucks or the restaurants in Burnsville of this no we are come to the music and not reach out to any specific people or entities that's the one I reach out to specifically to make sure all the restaurants in food trucks that are we know of in our city are aware of this rather than having them just catch it by chance through the chamber or social media is zero do we have a mechanism for reaching out to them though snail mail Regina we do have record of all the restaurants we can certainly reach out to that those individuals are entities and then there is a Minnesota Food Truck Association we can certainly reach out to them for feedback to students and they could disseminate that information to their in all of our restaurants that are arrestee as our restaurants do we have a list Jeanne madam mayor members of the council we don't license businesses we can go off of our liquor license lists if they have one but because there are some like you know Saigon doesn't have a liquor license but they you know yes yep if I could madam mayor um there is actually a list with contacts of all of our restaurants on experience principles website perfect Chianti to McDonald's I mean are we going after fast-food restaurants as well all restaurants are also listed absolutely yeah then we can use that list and reach out to all agreed okay anything else I think Steph you have all of the direction Regina yeah I do just have a question um a couple of items to consider and we can certainly present this at the City Council meeting but question about are you okay with a three year license for truck specific degree and then one of the thoughts that came up through staff discussion was are you okay with retro actively extending the food vendors that we have for 2019 extend that sure 2019 to 2021 yeah yeah good more credit yeah for this four years and then the last question do you want to propose limits on the duration that a food truck can be in one spot or do you want the food truck vendor to move for example wouldn't that be a discussion in an open forum we can certainly do yeah that that I think would be a good discussion on an open forum yeah as a state statute a whole lot of food truck can be in one spot yeah okay so then then we have laws that are by state and we should make sure that we take a look at those laws that govern and restrict okay then yeah yeah it seems like those that are getting a special event permit that are part of a bigger thing like sitting in a parking lot overnight not a problem but the ones that are and and I didn't know if the law at the state level that they can only be parked for so long yeah that might address no parking on street overnight unless it's a special event the streets blocked off and it's a special event madam Erin yes members cupola question on the head to do with on overnight parking in a private property that's the question do you want them left overnight on private property outside of a special event I can just see this coming up as a question why don't we have that as one of the issues that to be discussed at the at the input because I think some of those folks who have private property and you're thinking like a business that would have a and they approve it well if they will have that on their property right there yeah my thought was as long as its operating that I don't care and if but unless state statute Trump's yeah local but if it's dark dormant Lee and it's just being parked there for storage then I don't have a different opinion about the different thing you know I think let's make sure that we have state statue and comply by with state statute we have to comply with the law yes madam mayor the state statute gets to who's regulating the food operation food safety it's the Department of Health or turban bag that's any help parts of 21 days in any given location and when we checked a was a while ago what that means is they consider a location a city so any food vendor can not be in Burnsville any more than 21 days in a year I don't know how they go about enforcing that with the staff that they have so we don't enforce the state laws so that's why we're asking you if you have any requirements that you that you again getting to expectations and what your thoughts are yeah if you think it's 21 days and you want us to be out monitoring that we can if you want them here longer we can do that you know if the state is there operable and they're not not stored but see it's not a story just not that's very cute that may be the truth but I see the trucks around the Twin Cities and they're there all summer long without having to leave the city okay madam mayor members of the council different cities some cities have their own health departments I have their own regulations yeah we are regulated by the by the state as far as Health Department goes through and that's that regulation some cities have different rules we don't just add more FTEs I would agree that as long as it's not being stored leave it up to the property owner yep yeah I don't want to put a regulation on right dates agreed okay thank you you're very welcome at America's something huh okay we're gonna have a break we're gonna break for five minutes and then we'll reconvene okay I was thinking someone who's conscious eight you by elected officials Vince I just need some understanding and clarification on when we are going to post or make public stances on issues that are outside of our purview whether it be on social media or otherwise if we should have conversations about those things before we publicly promote or condone them the conference of mayors gun thing we tagged the official city account on a lot of that stuff and so it kind of tied all of us into an opinion that we had not previously discussed I get it and I took it up when I the only reason was I wanted the city to know what I that I was in Washington on comprehensive background check I won't do that again and I'm not trying to know but if I just wanted to have a collective discussion if I understand what I will do is I will just let Melanie and everybody I mean she knows when I I went to Washington mm-hmm for the US Conference of Mayors on that particular item and comprehensive background check and I we all reversed I think the only thing that I had ever but since I was in Washington it was old I thought well you better know what I'm talking about in her name and I want you to share my attention I edit it and took that piece off and that's all I that's all I had I just said if there was official communication from the city then we should all be in agreement government yeah and I understand your concern and so I can I can let Melanie and others know okay I don't have to do that I think it's the only occasion that you it is and I don't see because you only see me hashtag burns oh yeah my burn spell Burnsville compassion and burn spell care hashtag the I love burns oh but not at city of goods though the only reason I did that was so because then they will know what I'm doing and saying in Washington but that has already been put out there but I will make sure that I I will not enact Burnsville and they would expect all of us to also maintain that if we're going to get into the police's nation makes sense you know something that you might support might not be something I support right you know and I you might be out there lobbying for something that I might not and so but I learned about it edit and delete it okay sure as you will not find that but but before I left the city knows where I'm going and what I'm doing and I thank you for doing those things yeah yeah okay it's good all right next discussion on standing seam metal roofs that's yours also and also I've not had around here to anyone I should do it again yes the last time this was talked about was in 2013 I believe and you were on the Planning Commission I was I 13 I don't think it was yet nope it's about my loss in 2014 oh okay so you would like so it was just before you got on I would like to look at making standing seam roof in a loud use without a conditional use permit on our permit applications so good step then bring back some information for us to really review and then I have this awesome spreadsheet I spent all night making and then I printed it and I forgot to bring them with a lot of really good information on it so if you want to show the camera no I remember us looking at those my my my thought on this is that it is a superior product we are talking about finding ways to increase the value of homeownership in Burnsville these add tangible value to single-family homes and this is something that we can do internally that doesn't cost us anything we're not raw wood staff time to recodified things and that but it's a it's an easy way to offer people a road to increasing the value of their homes why don't we have staff bring back the ordinance that we have in place and then what that would look like because it'll go to the Planning Commission for the question do you are you aware of any insurance companies to give any kind of discounts all the ropes that you're not gonna replace for a long time like 60 years ago there's a protective life span has between 1500 right now asphalt shingles last 15 to 20 years standing seam metal are between 40 to 70 years Wow they're more durable they're more energy efficient and they increase the resale value of home why don't you also hear your research with us because they'll be good shared with staff and sharing campus I can email this where I have actually emailed it to Melanie you know last last night and if you want to email no traitor absolutely but there's just a lot of good reasons why they should be allowed and I understand we probably don't get a whole lot of applications for them now but Jenny do you remember when we had and we we do allow some metal roofs yes but they have to eat some sir yes we do madam a memory so I remember going through this and we allow metal roofs my recollection is of the graphics so we allow them if they're like shakes or shingle style to kind of mimic the look or tile yeah of what's been standard construction practice yeah and that you need a conditional use permit to do this standing scene I think I thought was it looks more rural and characters this is just my recollection from the discussion years down pave so my question to the council while I do have the floor would be procedural so we could add this to the Planning Commission 2020 work plan if you want them to look at it if you want it to come back to you we can bring it back probably January work session rather and have it start moving it forward to the Planning Commission don't you but let us see your research I'll send the research I don't see if if we've looked at this before we're not starting from scratch and reinventing the wheel but I you know I value the Planning Commission's opinion as well that's the process and the other is that and I would say madam mayor there's not going to be replacing any roofs now roof ice dams surf collapse yeah I'm I would go with the majority of council on timing yeah Jenny last thing we could add it to a housekeeping list which we can do over the winter and talking to the planners in advance of this what does timing look like if you know you want to do it and then we don't have to spend the time researching other cities and all the stuff we could just change the order for the easiest thing yeah if you know you want to change it it's the most efficient way to get you to where you want it's just a timing issue yeah okay yeah so we'll head it to the next house we in which we think I would be in January or housekeeping and okay you just proceed okay okay is that okay everybody I believe so yeah all right there's consensus I agree with it by the way okay I agree the last time we talked about it we already have so let's just take a look at it and how do we try you know we already have it what we metal roofs yes but they have to be there to mimic standard asphalt treat a particular this is the reason why we're going to house keep it to me to everyone we're gonna do a house keep amendment is that okay yes I think Stefan is okay do you have any reports to me I spent so much time focusing on these two I didn't prepare okay do you have a Fang we had our strategic meeting last month the new contract for the city will be coming to us shortly to a work session along with Kara our executive director to present to the council everything about that's the wolf you'll all get copies of it very shortly I'm okay Karen I know I do not have anything to report thank you Dan yes I have identified solutions and MBTA board this is going to be an executive summary will yours be an executive summary Oh yours are as it goes up longer than mine usually I don't have a lot to report because mine are quarterly we went through our priority projects and Ryan Peterson our very own Ryan Peterson is leads that group and we hired a consultant together all of the projects going forward and three had three of the nine or ten scored the highest on from a technical aspect which carries a little weight in deciding what the i-35 Solutions Group wants to get behind from a lobbying standpoint by 35 494 interchange kind of a no-brainer I 35 min pass Lane extension south south of where it is now which would go beyond the south of Burnsville significantly which i think is a great idea and Lakeville was thrilled and even Elko New Market representative was thrilled highway 13 number three then highway 13 signal removals at Linn Wash born and Washburn and what's the third one this anybody know I forget what it was Dakota is that it so three lights between I 35 and 169 continued to clog highway 13 so that's the third highest ranking on our list there were a lot of other projects but those were the three dips so we're gonna come back and decide on the top five those three will be included top five that our lobbyists will then focus on with legislators to lobby for for the next who knows how long a long time we also talked about the website and chair workmen brought up our website a few months ago and she put up commissioner Liz workman who is our I 35 chair she put up a Facebook page for I 35 and now the discussion came back and we said you know our website really does need a facelift so myself sacked Johnson on the Lakeville City Council and James cloaca sure with a bloomington city staff member who basically is facilitates our meetings administrative supports our meetings the three of us are gonna get together and Bloomington is offered to use their website in-house resources to help us put up a new web so that was nice of them to do that MBTA board is pretty quick and easy they had their big rodeo a couple Saturdays ago where drivers can enter to win the plaque for a second or third for driving through several different obstacle courses set up at the Egan bus garage that was cool they had a great barbecue phenomenal food inside the garage afterwards and I think I was the only board member there representing the MBTA board and we also as I mentioned earlier we are the recipient of the transit provider of the Year award which was pretty cool at the awards ceremony at in st. Paul we went to a dinner afterwards was fantastic thanks to MBTA for providing a wonderful celebration dinner and to Schmidty bus for picking up the bar cap because MVT couldn't do that that is it commission we met and we had Commissioner Cynthia bow early and she is the Commissioner of Revenue and she was exceptional in outlining what's going on very knowledgeable and it she did a great presentation and then we had our legislative first discussion legislative agenda for mlc but nothing it was just broad so that the committee can go and work on it and then we looked at dates for our meeting with legislators so that will be coming and the savage Burnsville a joint council did not meet we cancelled it was supposed to be this morning but there wasn't anything to discuss Metro cities were all done yes with all of the work that we need to do the Burnsville Community Foundation canceled its meeting because there was so many we're going to the firehouse open house and is there anything else Jenny you have anything else Melanie do you have anything at Madame Mary do not think great no matter ma'am do you ok very good oh great a great year awards dinner honestly pardon me should recognize their volunteers from last evening it was really a good event and a family fest was a hit was really great so those are good end of birth and the firehouse open house even in a race we had a lot of folks a lot of families come through so a lot of great things going on now that's it and we stand adjourned by acclamation you you