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Walk through To my mind. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> lawsuit. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> No to And 2 ♪ >> A high. will heal. >> And >> then moves. because ♪ >> It's is ♪ >> It's so. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> It may be ♪ >> shows ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> In >> news. something all? ♪ In ♪ ♪ ♪ ways is so ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> Good evening, everybody. I know call to order this meeting of the Anchorage Assembly tonight is August. 12th 2025. Is our regular meeting. Madam Clerk, would you please call the roll? >> Member Myers member McCormick member, Martinez. It's my understanding that member Baldwin Day will be late. >> Yes, excused. >> also from Amber Johnson will be late. >> Yes, excuse chair, constant here. Vice Chair Bradley here member Poland member, Silvers. it's my understanding that member Rivera's out his excuse tonight, member Kercher. It's my understanding that member Press for Diaz out his excuse tight, Terry of a quorum. >> All right. Thank you, Next, we go to the Pledge of Allegiance Mr. Kirk, would you please lead pledge? for all. probably. Would you please read the land acknowledgement? >> Yes, Mister chair, a land acknowledgment is a formal statement recognizing the indigenous people of the place. It is a public gesture of appreciation for the past and present indigenous stewardship of the lands that we now occupy. It is an actionable statement that marks our collective movement or decolonization and equity. The Anchorage Assembly would like to acknowledge that we gather today on the traditional lands, the deny NAFTA baskin's for thousands of years. The deny to have been and continue to be the stewards of this land. It is with great fondness and respect that we recognize the contributions. Innovations and contemporary perspectives of the Upper Cook Inlet to 9 a >> thank you, Madam Vice Chair. Next we have minutes previous meetings. We do have the minutes 4 aides of the regular meeting, July. 29 2025. Is there a motion to approve? Second? Who has them over Mr. Meyers moves seconded by MS rally. Is there any discussion on the matter? none like to ask unanimous consent an injection of the motion. Senior. No objection. The minutes have been adopted tonight. We are. I'm going to. Defer the mayors report until representative the mayor has arrived. We're expecting the manager to arrive pretty soon. All pivot into the chair's report at this time and just start by saying to the members you've probably received late in the afternoon and have a chance to read e-mail from me that expressed the request for members to have maximum flexibility in working through the agenda tonight because there are a number of issues that are happening simultaneously. We have a few members who are out. We also have a cabinet secretary who's here meeting with the mayor and some members of the assembly at the port. And so the administration is out taking care of that business. Important business. The municipality and they will arrive when they get here. Probably closer to 5.45 And asked to make time for. The mayor is reported at that time. But also we have some scheduling concerns to municipal attorney's office and others that we would asked to be flexible in moving certain items through the night so we can make sure everybody who wants to be here for certain items can be here for certain items, even though they'll be late. And so I just ask members to have some flexibility to get to the business tonight. also, we are anticipating an executive session tonight over dinner occurs to have a briefing on the status of the pump storage Hydro concert proposal for the increase Hydro-power project strategy in legal briefing. We anticipate coming from the Department of Law when everyone is here over 10 or so dinner, maybe late. So good evening, everybody. Welcome have 3 quick updates. Last week we had meeting with potential candidates that we started to narrow down for youth representatives. We had a meet and greet with 5 remarkably young people who applied to service youth members. This impressive group or engage stop on full of ideas about our community. want to thank assembly members who are there to attend. Welcome these young people to city Hall and engage with them in the meet and greet vice chair. I will be selecting small cohort this week to service youth representatives providing them with opportunities, learn more and together and share perspectives to contribute meaningfully to our work. Intrade rendition training will begin later this month. The swearing-in tentatively planned for their August. 26 or September 9th, vice chair. I will have more details. The rules Committee on Thursday. next, I'd like to brief front. >> Yes, thank March air. I just wanted to also say that we had total of 10 applicants. And so the 5 who move forward, our folks will be selected for an interview, but just wanted to also say thank you so much to the other 5 to the total of 10 who put their names forward. Thanks. >> Right next The M O a 50 page is now live at media organs go to spot for celebrating the 50th anniversary of Lincoln's unification and creation as a first class municipality with history stories, events and ways to get involved. Encourage everyone to check it out and share it with your friends and neighbors. Finally, the end of summer is nearly here, although the last few days of don't think we could be living in the summer. As we move into mid August for feeling close in Alaska short and beautiful summer. The fair kicks off this Friday in time for giant vegetables music in the last big gathering before the leaves turn students in Anchorage school district. We heading back to school soon. Felling crosswalks bike lanes and bus stops once again. Let's all remember to do our part to slow down in school zones and keep it safe for young people trying to get to their schools and chair on students and educators and savor these last long evenings before the days grow short. That's generally my report. I would also note that all do our best to move us to our agenda tonight. Although as I spoke before, it's going to be an unusual agenda for the kind of moving parts that we're going to have to work through. This is a business meeting here to do the work. The municipality, please help us create a climate of respect in the chambers, refrain from personal attacks speaking out of turn, shouting and clapping and pacing was clapping is in order. Keep science to it in half by 11 or smaller. Please keep clear except online up to testify. Please also do not approach the dice. But if you have materials for the somebody, please haven't of clerk apparent the front. rules aren't followed. manner of speakers called for compliance. Compliance tools doesn't occur. paused the meeting. There's an actual destruction. I will give a warning. But if the disruption persists happens again, the person will be asked to leave. So with that said. Next, we'll move on to committee in the isn't reports will start with Mrs. Thank you, Mr. Mccormick. Thank you. Mister All right. Then probably. >> Thank Just briefly, the next meeting of the Assembly's Budget and Finance Committee will be Thursday. August 21st at 10 to 11:00AM in City Hall room one. 55, we will continue our discussion that we had at the last work session on this topic of the assemblies of Fy. 26 next year's budget priorities to provide to the administration in advance of the full full on kickoff of the budget season. So look for a draft resolution to be brought up that committee and then hopefully introduced for the meeting of either August. 26th 4 September. Nice. Thank you. That's off my report. >> Thank Fund. So we're having some slight technical issues up member Silvers. I don't think your mic just worked. Okay. markers. See if yours work. Nothing reporter. Alright, yours work. Thank you. And with that, then we're through committee and the is on reports. If it weren't for this county want to schedule, we probably do with this meeting at 06:30PM tonight. because of it, that's not going to happen. Okay. Next is the them to the agenda? And the late on the table items. We just have a couple of supplemental laid on the table items, which is exactly how we like it. The first supplemental items, 10 G 3 be information memorandum and I am a number missing labor contract agreement from some of the agenda item 10 G 3 from the mayor's office. Then the other supplemental item is item 14 G 2 information memorandum number 2023 Dash one. 37 as amended a supplemental item 14 G. Are 2025. dash to 20 by somebody member Johnson. So with that, I would go ahead ask for any. Motion to incorporate the addendum and the late on the table some of that second. So the motion to incorporate is made by a number of Raleigh and seconded by member fund like to ask unanimous consent is any objection to the motion? Hearing and seeing no objection. The motion has passed the and them and the late on the table items have been incorporated. So that brings us now to audience participation, Mr. Game. The microphone is Thank you. My name is Charles McKee. >> beneficiary of the McKee trust. And that being said, I'm also responsible for. Pronounce. my commitment Jehovah. And I submitted paperwork already to this body. Title. Pearl of Great Price. And then I added to that the heartache. The other crew members of New club, 27 of E 3 Sentry Airborne Warning and Control System. 7, 7 dash 3, 5, 4, Cole signed Juklo 27. In 1995. Their creation bird. Because I talk to and the base commander and the signing off on the flight. It's fully disclosed in a document of 8 pages. >> Sitting before you. That being said, I'm also. Bring it about. Recorded. Statement Joe Hall has good cause. To come down on Spall as Asian. That I wrote about starting on page 2. I'm not writing about this polarization of the temple. The physical Temple. As if it's a municipal right away section. I for one question, the systematic right away. Use of this. I'm blushing form of fundraising to help with the administration. The current federal administration. Could have occasion of laws of United States of America. Joe and American. I E U.S. This transparency of sexual scandals playing out here and district court. They have signed Let us not forget. She it Combs and he's equitable as she calls it free college in New York City. And other factories. I would like to spotty to consider. Is a conclusion or the conception that on Friday, September 22nd 1995. the whole statewide inert. I was drained. Looks like trustee causing a mike way stream burst released at the same time as you 27 was rolling down the runway 5. To do a flyover of the Pearl of Great price. To map the sunken oil released by the blue chip company. >> Thank you, Mister K-Cup. Thank you and read it. Also. >> So that then brings us to the next item on our agenda. Which is the consent agenda. So the consent agenda are generally non-controversial items, items through 10 f which are typically routine, a non-controversial items. words reports ordinances and resolutions projections 10 G as well items on the consent agenda. May be approved by the assembly by simple vote, a motion to approve the consent agenda prior to approval items may be pulled but Assembly member for discussion separate vote on each of those items under the rules of procedure, all ordinances and some resolutions will have an opportunity for public hearing a future date. So next I will go down that I asked to start with you, Mr. Carney have flexible chair. Thank you. I would note that one night we have kind of room in our agenda. There are no 10 days. So the irony of Ms overs. >> No items. You Mr. Bond, no items Mr. Chairman. Mr. Thank I do have a couple items and then Simon is on behalf of the members. Not here. >> So first, on behalf of the administration pulling 10 D 5. As well as 10 D 8. And then on behalf of member Baldwin Day, I'd like to pull items 10 before 10 D one and 10 you And those are all the items. Thank >> So for you, I have on behalf of the administration items, 10 D 5.10, deviate from his father Monday, 10 before 10 D one and 10 e one. >> Yes, correct. All right. No items for tennis. This >> 10 sea for 10 D 17. >> So that's right. People 10 C 4 in 10, the 17th. Mrs. Thank you, chair. No additional items. All right. So items that have been pulled tonight are 10 B for 10 seat for 10, the 25 28 10 e one. I would note that items pulled on behalf of Ms Baldwin Day. We're going to ask take them up later in the night the items pulled by members who are present right now. We'll go ahead and take on currently so is there anything else that members would like to pull from the consent agenda? I'm not hearing any so I would like to ask for a motion to approve the consent agenda. Minus the pull items summit. Moved by Mister Van seconded by Dry like to ask unanimous consent, Sunni objections to the motion to approve. And seeing no objection. The consent agenda has been approved. Minus the pulled items. So if there's no objection, I will skip through the items that were pulled by father Monday. And we'll start with item 10, see one or excuse intensity for. Tennessee for is 6.17, dash 2025 board of a contract consulted a contract engineer Nearing LLC. Can Saudi contracting for performing Arts center owner modernization this item was pulled by Joining move to prove it. That's the first question motion to approve. Thanks. second, moved by Mister McCormick, seconded by Mr. I just had a >> For somebody from the pack of after we got the presentation regarding the maintenance, the need to be done there. Why we chose the elevator inside of the Ridge Project or any of the other projects someone asked, Mr, Falls for that. To the chair. McCormick, the elevator has been identified as a priority for the pack for at least a year. And then it became. >> top of the pile for the pact last fall. And that was because some of the freight elevator mechanical breakdowns either compared some of the ongoing shows or threatens to impair some of the ongoing shows. >> So whereas the roof does need attention and their various other parts of the facility that on really. But is that critical gonna go for ongoing operations? >> Ok, dad, a little bit to that as well. If you're okay with that. So at the kind of it was probably April of 2020. last year that the previous administration, but for an emergency appropriation to fix the elevators. And so we took care of the appropriation at that point. And so this item is the contract award to that appropriation. That happens in 2024. In the previous administration. It was December of his all the way back in December 2023. So this is that correct here, memory Mister Fauci. So we're in the end are essentially getting to the point where the construction is for a project that started quite a long time ago. Okay. And does this fix the flooding issue in the elevator shaft? >> To chair a member of the court know the flooding issue. some discussion about how serious the flooding issue actually is. But in order that we heard in the party work session was a an idea of potentially completely replacing the elevators, that it is not a piston driven elevator that requires you to drill down into the ground rather hoisted elevator that works on cables. This is a modernization of the current elevator system but does not address that. Just an issue. Ok? Thank Anyone else in the queue on this item. I would just for my own part than that. >> I saw the report that came from. The leadership of the Alaska Center for the Performing Arts and it raises more questions than provide answers. And I think that there are a number of different opinions in the community about the veracity in totality of the report. And it, I think, require some really thoughtful investigation on our part for what, how how to prioritize the items within And so I think there's a lot of our conversation coming forward. It's not. No one believe this was a simple fix. It is. It's going to take some real starting to figure out the answer to that can and so. Just want to add that. But this is unrelated to that. This is old. So I ask members to support to Saddam no one else members may proceed to vote. On a vote of 08:00AM to 00:00AM 6.17, dash 2025 past the body again recognizing that the next item on our list is called by some of his not quite here will be here any minute. We're going to go ahead and move on to item 10 D 5. And I'm going to be 10, D 5 is somebody memorandum number 5.98, dash 2025. Executive appointment confirmation hearing and revealing sleet chief human resources officer. This item was pulled the U.S. right. Yes. Move to approve a second movement probably a second by Mister Fund. And wish to speak to this item. >> Yeah, I'll just say we had a good and formative work session with Billingsley on Friday. The ace that was very helpful. And I guess I would defer any other comments to the administration. one else. >> So from my part in jumping the queue and just to say, I look forward to working with is going that there are a lot of big challenges that surround and review. The human resources process, the municipality and I appreciate you billing line to step in and tackle some of the big ones so that then if there's nobody else, members may proceed to vote. On a vote of 8 to 0. Am 5.98, dash 2025 executive appointment confirmation and Wray Billingsley has passed. The body will not take a moment to swear her in. Mr. Chair. Quick scheduling question, which I'll ask the newly confirmed 20 if her family was planning to be here at 7.30 >> So if you want, we can hold this part until they get here. That's the actual. So I don't think you are going to be here. And so I was planning to have it 7.30 So, but you're here. Right? And so if you want us to wait. We can have your family or the work is done. Okay. We can do pictures after Mr. Fozzie. That's the answer. The theme tonight is maximum flexibility. I solemnly swear. I solemnly swear. >> That I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States. >> That I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States. The Constitution of the state of Alaska, the Constitution of the state of Alaska. >> And the charter of the municipality of Anchorage and the Charter of the Municipality of Anchorage and that I will faithfully perform the duties and that I will faithfully perform the duties of human resources director to the best of my ability of human resources director to the best of my ability. >> I think we'll have enough time to do it again later. All right. So again, in keeping with wait item 10 D 8, the administration had requested us to pull and not move. And so we're not going to move. Tan the 8 come back in a corrected form. So next we have item 10, D 17, some of memorandum a seasoned somebody memorandum and 6.16, dash 2025. Change. Order number 11 he is how Engineers Inc Ch 2 M. To provide professional project in construction management services for municipality of Anchorage. know part of Alaska contract for 4, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 3, 5, So Mr. Mccormick, you put this on move to approve. Second move, Mr. Cormack second most broadly. Mr. Mccormick. >> Yeah. Just like to hear a little more about this. If spend 63 Million. So who would like to answer kind of give us a little briefing on the scope. Welcome. >> Good evening, John Daly, port of Alaska Pmp injury manager. >> This is this contract is to support to provide program management and oversight to the modernization program. 5 year contract extension. We chose 5 years because that coincides with the completion of terminal one, which is now under contract. The majority of the work in the next 5 years will be what the majority. But a large portion of the work will be construction administration for the new terminal. then there's project and program management activities. >> Okay. Answer my question from from you guys. I a question for the administration when we originally or assembly. This body originally prove this Intel's and 14. Has there been any? Bids put out again for this? Marc Spector, deputy municipal through the chair. To my knowledge, no, it has been extended since 2000 for since then. Okay. Is there a reason why we put this out? Because of the institutional knowledge that Ch a now Jacobs has with the project. We felt that. In the interest of timeliness effectiveness and cost efficiency. It was best to continue to contract with Jacobs due to their institutional knowledge. This probably. >> Yeah, thanks. I just had one additional question and you alluded to that. Can you just clarify the relationship between C 2 h m Hill? That's on our item versus Jacobs, which I think we've seen their staff. They've been presenting to us for years, right? So kind of just explaining that history briefly. Thanks. >> Yet through the chair member probably to answer that question is Ch was purchased by Jake UPS. I'm not quite sure when, but it was several years ago. So basically it's a continuation of that same team in the same company. It's just under a different name. >> I will just add Mr. Mccormick to your question, this contract has spanned 4 administrations now. Tends to the view of the administration that efficiency because of the scale of the project argues there's really no one It could almost be sole source, but it's under the same contract. And so. I think there are a lot of people have different opinions on that be happy to talk about it after. that is kind of the current condition. Anyone else on this item. And I would note spot and and Mr. Johnson and joined us just a moment ago. Couple moments. With that. members may proceed to vote. On a vote of 10 to 0, 6.16, dash 2025 has passed the body. So now go ahead and go back to item 10. 4. 10 before is resolution or 2025 dash 2.36 Resolution, Anchorage Assembly regarding the implementation use traffic cameras and traffic cam recordings. The municipality this item was pulled on your behalf missile today. >> Thank you, chair. Actually my question to on the side of have been answered. just one moment. And I am happy to move to approve. >> Thank you. Second. >> All right. There's a motion to approve. By most bold and seconded by. summer's. I'm going speak to it. That skin, Mr. Johnson, things. So. For about a year I've been asking the administration for maybe even more than a year policy on the use of footage from all the traffic cameras. I think about 5 weeks ago we heard 3, 4, weeks going and transportation committee that. That policy is in the legal department and we will see its enemy. Haven't seen it. And so I'm just putting down this resolution with really the key function as a timeline. The timeline is that it is delivered to us by the end of October so that we can meaningfully look at the policy now. I think that. Members should recognize. We haven't seen the policy and this guidance as it's drafted. Still. Guidance, not dictate that it must be this way because we need them to tell us. But I just ask for your support and moving this with the clear can understanding that we will see back from the administration of policy on the use of that footage. So that's my reason for putting this on the agenda. Anyone else? Seen here and members proceed to vote. vote of 10 to our 2025 dash 2.36 Has passed the body that brings us then to item 10 D one. 10 D One is 5.91 dash 2025 gunmen agreement with the Alaska Department of Transportation and public facilities for Project Management planning design and construction of a DOT Mpfc f H w why? 0, 1, 2, 9, 2, And that's been our drug rehabilitation are to drive to Minnesota Drive. This item was pulled out a spot today. >> Thank you, chairman to approve. Second move, famous fog and second by miss. Probably as for day. Thank you. Chair. >> I actually have a question about the scope of design for this particular project and wondering if someone can answer that for Not sure who we have. >> Hello, Ariel going on in the executive director of ailments. >> Melinda called director of Project Management and Engineering. Thank you both so much for being willing to answer a couple questions on the first as I didn't receive the scope of this project. >> contemplates the the actual intersection of Spenard Road with Minnesota track. >> Yes, the design team has identified that intersection for this project. However, I would like to hear from Aaron, if it is clearly in the scope. >> No, it is not called out and the scope. I feel deja vu standing up here and telling you that. >> All right. Well, in that case, I would have I would like to us to specifically include Mr. know, and I'm going to assume that this means an e-mail to you to ask that the head at the intersection itself also be included in official project scope so that I can we can close to whole. Anything else that you need from me in order to make that don't know. Good. Thank Excellent. Thank you. That was my only question. >> So before you go far, I think. Are you sure and we don't need an action of this body change the scope like that. You can just do it. >> So just like the deylan focal project that we had last time I was here, the recommendation would be we would provide this to the technical Advisory Committee and Policy Committee and ask if they want this to be included in the next Tip Amendment for consideration and so would be up to the policy committee to make that determination. But there's no reason we can't bring a request from the assembly and say what you guys think policy Committee. Should this change happen or not? But request from the U.S. only requires a certain action of the assembly. >> And so I think that what I would do is ask the membership. Is there any objection to that request? So I am hearing no objection from the body. So now I think it's fair to conclude that the assembly has agreed with that action. for that request. Thank you. Thank you. Is probably. >> Yeah, thanks. So my comment would just be redundant because I was going to underscore the need to include that intersection. And also just add, I know there were some traffic pattern changes regarding the left turn lane. If you're going from spenard left onto north and in Minnesota. So I know there's been some confusion in that area and certainly it's remains one of many dangerous intersections. And so very much appreciate if that is included because it is the conduit to the rest of Spenard Road. Thank you. All right. Anyone else? And seen on the numbers may proceed to vote. >> On a vote of 10 to 0, 5, 91 dash 2025. In a recommendation to the policy committee have passed the body. Okay. Next. We have item 10 one. 10 as Our 2025 dash 2.25 Resolution of the municipality make appropriate reimbursement grant from Lask Housing Finance Corporation. The amount 140,900. $34.15 to the state Grant Fund 2, 3, 1, 9, 0, 0, encourage health Department for Case Management services for clients of she gets you manner. This item was pulled a spot Monday. Thank you, chairman approve second. So moved by Mister Baldwin. Day seconded by Mister Monday. Thank you. Check. >> I would like to ask a couple questions at the health department if they're available or whomever else the administration would like to speak to us. Thanks, Doctor Ash. I'm say aye. >> I we've have some questions about that. That definition or the parameters of case management. And as it sort of appropriate to this particular context and how the case management that's provided in this and this will differ from say client navigation or something like that. >> Question so through the chair, the purpose of this agreement is to provide service ported nation case management. Just residents at the housing sites owned by Hfc which is to to manner and view the goal of the program is to enable elderly disabled residents to remain independent to age in place in there and in their homes. So service coordinators, we have one service coordinator at the Anchorage Health Department her role is to advocate on behalf of the residents, provide resources to the residents on available community-based services. Answer any of those questions she is to facilitate or is a facilitator of wellness and other educational programs. She empowers the residents to be independent as possible monitors who to follow up with service certain what services are provided to the residents encourages them to adhere to healthy lifestyle. They are not direct service providers there, not any type of recreational activity directors. They're >> Duplicate ERs of any existing community services or distribute medical aids medications. Medical advice, or handle any of the resident funds an inch act as a leasing agent. So it's really just the service coordination and making sure that they are able the residents that are living in these units are able to age in place healthy. >> Thank you that that's that's that's helpful. And notice that we we tend to use case management as a catch all for a lot of different functions. And so it's helpful to understand a little bit more specifically what this looks like in the context of elder care. So thank you very much. I that's my only question. Anyone else. >> Seen here in an members may proceed to vote. And a vote of 10 to 0 2025, dash 2.25 has passed the body now I would like to ask that actually concludes our consent agenda portion of the agenda. Manager to provide a report on behalf of the mayor. This one person. >> Thank you, Mister Chair and good evening, everyone. As the chair noted, I'm delivering the mayors report her behalf tonight. She's unfortunately unable to be with us at the beginning of this meeting because she's wrapping up some visits from dignitaries both to the port. And also at Coast Guard gathering this evening. We have been really excited to welcome host multiple cabinet members at the port to speak, to highlight the importance to Alaska and our national security. And we're really grateful to the members of our delegation who helped to facilitate that highlighting that critical piece of infrastructure on the national scale. Last week, the mayor attended the Anchorage Economic Summit where we learned the results of a DC's survey shows that business conference confidence has dropped overall recently, mostly due to tariffs and national economic concerns. on the mayor's behalf, I wanted to reiterate a few points from her comments at the summit, specifically that, yes, it is true that we are facing some big economic challenges from a housing shortage to homelessness and uncertainly at the federal level. But we also have incredible opportunities to grow to innovate and to work together on solutions. She noted there that is our job to help encourage, stay resilient any challenge. No matter what is happening with tariffs, interest rates are federal policy. And the good news is that we are making progress step by step. A big part of that progress is our work to address the housing shortage. And as we all know, we've set a 10 year goal of building or rehabilitating 10,000 homes with support from the assembly. We've cut red tape and added new incentives, and we're already seeing positive results tonight on the agenda is an ordinance which will help incentivize the rehabilitation of vacant and abandoned residential properties. This measure would give a 10 year property tax break to property owners investing at least 15% of the buildings assessed value and improvements. Not only does this policy help rehabilitate empty houses and apartments into safe and livable homes, adding to our viable housing stock. But these rehabilitated properties will add value to the tax base in the long term. So it's a true win-win for the municipality. There are many other pieces in the works and we look forward to talking with the assembly, more through committee meetings. So thank you and Mister Chair. Thank you to members. So on second. >> we're waiting for. gardener to to help discuss the possibility of executive session might be. We need to defer that. To another night just because we're moving at such a pace. So I think that what I'm gonna do suggest and we just take our regularly scheduled in a break right now and come back and get on with the business. >> Lou. >> Everybody, welcome back. Good evening. going to go ahead and take up item 11, item 11, Our 2025 dash, one. 91 resolution of the Anchorage Assembly, recognizing and ongoing public health and safety crisis resulting from systemic failures in the state of Alaska's behavior health system acknowledging U.S. disproportionate impact on increase communities and economy and directing the municipal turning to pursue all remedies. Action was postponed from 6, 10, 2025 7.15 There is no motion pending. What is some of the body move to approve? Moved by Mister Martinez. Their second. Second, it might Martinez. Thank you, chair. >> This colleagues, this resolution is about telling the truth. From my perspective, it's been on agenda for some time. I hope folks had a chance to look at it. And from my vantage point, it's about telling about the real state of the state's behavioral health system and what it means for Anchorage. For better worse. We are Alaska's hub. Because of our port because of our military base and our central role in the economy we support the work force for the people across the state. And when the state steps back, we step into the gap. But that gap has grown. So why did threatens our fiscal health? Public safety and our quality of life? This resolution says clearly that the state needs to step up to its constitutional obligations. And or that we will look for any remedy that we can have to make sure that we can. Have our backs covered. Those accountable. I hope folks who support this resolution. just a little background. Additionally. The administration asked me to postpone resolution for action until tonight. And heard no additional. reasons are negative indications from the administration except that they wanted a better timing. And so here we are today. I hope we can just advanced us. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. for Thank you, Mr. >> Look, I I don't know that I disagree with a lot of the member from Sanford said about the challenges that we face here in this community. There's a lot of failure happening across the state from at the state level. At other cities and other jurisdiction thereof are failing to do a good job. I do not know that broadcasting our legal strategy and this way is is prudence. And I would I would say that to be probably wiser to not pass this resolution and what that means for attorneys decide when and where. To pursue a lawsuit against the state. I do not believe that would be I don't think broadcast and what we're going to do or not do wise. And and also we work with the state and on a lot of different issues and you trap a lot more flies with honey than you do with vinegar. And so I'd say let's let's try some honey here leave the actual timeline and legal strategy to the attorneys. And so I would urge colleagues to vote now. >> Mr. Johnson. Yeah, Mr. Chair, I think Mr. Barker pretty well captures my sentiments as well. I certainly believe the case state could and should do more. But I'm I'm wary of taking the sort of adversarial position. >> Or directing pull attorney to pursue these actions. So I won't rehash what he said other and say, I think those are viable comments. Should we? Should there be a motion to amend this and take out Section 3, 4, I support that and I would probably support the motion without those in here. But if ultimately the vote isn't whether or not to accept this as presented specifically because my concerns about that section in that direction, I would have to vote no. As promised. >> Yeah, thank Yeah. And I appreciate the extra time to review in its current form. I can't support this and just echoing what other members of said, the reasons why. But I think also, I guess for me, the question is really, you know, these are these are issues certainly we've been dealing with with a long time. We've documented it many times already in our legislative program on the record in other places and then and even if these other sections were removed, my understanding is section we recognize there's a crisis. Section 2, we recognize disproportionate impact. Section 5. Sounds like really what this administration has been doing since they started and really prior administrations going back at least 3 or 4 that I can think of have been doing. And so the question for me is really what what do we gain from this or what is new or different about this other than really documenting things that already doing? But I will say that if there is interest in amending this and moving it forward the night, I will not go into it right now, but I do intend to move Mr. Rivera's amendment number one to add the whereas cause essentially about the alcohol I'm not doing that right now. But if the debate continues and it looks like we're going to amend this, that I will come back to that. Thanks. Member Silvers. >> Move Silvers. Amendment number 3. >> There is a motion to amend. I'm Amber Summer second by Miss Kercher. >> And so this amendment removes Section 3 and section for Section 3 us a directive to the municipal attorney. Section 4 is the reporting requirement and then remembers them accordingly. And it removes it for really all the reasons that have just stated. >> In the Q on the Amendment are on the main motion responded. >> I think the question is germane. Regardless this moment yes, I the question for council actually. >> the the title of this legislation includes the directive to municipal attorney. >> It. >> How how does amending the body without him it? Tell me how to ask this question. Is it possible to also amend the title of the resolution or does that? Create a fundamentally different resolution? Since the title itself includes. The words and directing the municipal attorney to pursue all legal remedies. Thanks for the question. >> Threw the chair to Wednesday. >> Changing the actual substance of the body does not really require changing the title of resolution, even though it's included in the resolution. The title, the title is primarily for noticing purposes to allow the public what's going to be debated. What's on the agenda right now? If for consistency sake, the body did want to amend the title to reflect what's within the body of the resolution. It's more than free to do that and its discretion. But it's not going to present any sort of legal defect if the substance of the resolution itself as amended and does not mirror perfectly what's in the title? >> But given what is? In the title? And the stated intent of this amendment. It might be advisable to also strike telling the title. absolutely excellent. Thank you. Done with the floor. So I'm curious about order of operations them. >> things could happen when you could move to amend the amendment or 2, you can prevail. Up on the move or the second or to amend the motion before an action. >> Which would take less time. >> So the question would be to the movers. Are you amenable to also adding the title change? Okay. So that would be the fastest ways by mutual agreement. And so Madam Clerk. Thanks to Habitat. Almost the clerk Percent. Can we put that part upon the screen, Mr. Kerr. So there's the motion is a minute. So men. 2025 on an eye on 91 silvers 3 and removing and directing this betray to pursue all legal remedies from the title. Alright, next in the Queue on the Amendment, Mr. Moment. my comments work either way >> I so. This is interesting. I think by removing all of this kind of takes the main thrust out of the resolution and so I I don't. To me, I think if this amendment passes, I'm undecided about how a vote on the underlying item. But I think this amendment passes. There's not a whole lot of reason that I see in resolve. may be in the whereas that's for kind of outlining the case. But I think that's meant amendment passes. I don't know that this resolution really states much. And I'm curious about my colleagues thoughts on so if folks remember when we had the work session on. The organization of the Executive branch. One of the things that that we highlighted was at the municipal attorney. They have a really tough job because in a sense answer to the mayor. But in a sense, they also work for the assembly. They advised both of us. You know, as I I have. A few times. Stated from the sky. As you know, we are the policy making body with the legislative branch of the municipality. And I do think that there are. Times when it is appropriate for us to. Hold the state accountable. We've talked about that, you know, but with this topic, mental health, we've also talked about that with pedestrian deaths and transportation related issues. And so I guess my question is how do we if not be a resolution? How does the assembly as a body take action? To direct the municipal attorney? Collectively, right without sort of revealing our legal strategy. And I don't know that this really. Goes great depth of actual legal strategy. So if I might just from what I'm going to take the first stab to answer that question, and that means the tourney can correct me if I get anything wrong, the assembly can move into executive session. Of its own accord to provide direct guidance and direction to the attorneys on legal matters. And so that's one of the few actions the assembly can, in fact, take behind closed doors, district attorneys to do certain things. Thank you. Appreciate that. Answer it just all. So, you know, I think we we default to doing our business and public right. And how then did a member has to prevail upon the majority of their colleagues to move into executive session. And just put it. Provides an extra barrier for us is to policymakers to sort of have this conversation. I guess saying all that that's I think why I'm of 2 minds on this amendment. I think not going to support the amendment. The amendment and I'm still undecided about the underlying item. I want my colleagues to be thinking about that like okay. But there are times that there is real clear thing where we felt collectively like, hey, we got to take some action on this on a on an The state is adverse to our interest or another and that he is adverse to our interests. I could see there being a time and place for a resolution like this to come forward. that's all I will say for now. Thank you, Mister Chair. Martinez on the Amendment. Yes, Chad, thank you. On the amendment. >> I agree with member of Al and with respect to that, the main thrust of the of the action. I'd like to see something happen across the bow. But I think it's interesting to point out. From my vantage point, what fight folks would want to pick. I'm interested in picking a fight with folks who have failed the city of Anchorage because they failed across the state to provide behavior and mental health response is adequate enough to help people. We are the hub city and it is landed square on our doorsteps. We have our own challenges but we deal with the state's failed mental health and behavior. There's no one here who would argue otherwise. And then the question is, what fight would you want to pick? And on the 2 points of this amendment chair, first, in the U.S. The items that are being removed will be in quest to be removed just to know that. The resolution and this resolution is calling for directed for them. But for the attorney too, provide information to us and that information can be also provided to us in executive session. Doesn't have to have revealing information, but it is a public declaration that we're not going to just sit with our hands underneath our and then secondly, just additional Lee Amplify what fight folks would want to pick this body as Co signed on to a joint resolution, multiple ones with this with the school board directly saying to the state what's going on? You're not stepping up to the plate for our children. Where's the money? So we'll pick whatever fights with pick. And tonight, I just hope that at the end of the day. Beyond whatever or red herrings of legal strategy is gone, be articulated. We have a certain set of tools in our tool box that this, Reza, this particular amendment would got some of the tools that this resolution Trump calls Florida bring there, too. But at the end of the day. Picking a fight with the tools we have to defend our best interest is what it's about. And it's an interesting space. Within the same couple of week period. This fight is being challenged when there are other fights that this body has picked. With respect to vulnerable people in our communities. This is a fight is going to help us. Uncover more resources, possibly a better strategy and a better way forward because we are under the gun. I hope you will vote against this particular amendment. But if you do advance something forward, picked the fight. The fight has already been picked on us. Thank you, chair. Thank Brian. Thanks. Uses on the amendment. So >> as I look at this, I guess I'm still wondering kind of if these sections are removed. And I think this point been made already. Then what does this do you know what? What so? And I want to separate the the issue from the action on this item because I think the question is not, is there a problem? And certainly this outlines it many other documents before it has out have outlined it. And again, you know, if if these other sections are removed and then what's left is the action is to say Shell coordinate, you know, stakeholder coordination. Those are things we're already doing. So I'm just wondering again, especially if these other to pieces are removed and the purpose of this changes significantly, then then what are we actually doing? And I do. I hear the point to from sponsor about what fight we pick. I guess I would also suggest that that there are when engaging with the state there is fighting and then there is advocating and there are many other agitator verbs we could use. And one mechanism that we have that will be coming up soon as the legislative program. And I think that's something where for multiple years we have documented behavioral health has a major issue and it's disproportionate impact on public safety. And so I would suggest that's another avenue to really continue the same work and bring that to the for as a priority. And then I would leave that to to the body and the administration to determine how that ranks in the priorities. Thanks. Mr. Machar right. >> One of the speaking against the amendment agree with member London that I think that this amended version takes out the teeth and the main impact of the resolution has introduced. I'm still torn. I'm listening intently to the other members here on the resolution has introduced. I don't disagree with any of the sentiment. Or feelings behind this resolution we see in our streets. We see it every day. I talk about it every day. But I I'm not sure if now is the time. And this is the way to go forward. But as I said, I I mean, Lis listening intently to the members to decide which women vote on the resolution has introduced. Thank Thank you. A spot on that. >> I think there are a couple of there are many ways to pick a fight. And one of them involves walking up and punching someone in the jaw and another is to take that person around the back of the building and have a very strongly worded conversation. One of them is very public, very blatant, very light pointed. And the other is slightly more diplomatic but potentially no less effective. And I think my my challenge with this particular resolution is that it is a punch to the jaw in broad daylight. And it also broadcasts the tools that we might wish to leverage to hold the state accountable. And I think that that's a strategic error on our part. 2 make this make this directive public as opposed to. Having separate conversations with the municipal attorney regarding this issue and I'm I'm disinclined to punch anybody in the job when ultimately the person entity that we're punching in the and city from which we are seeking relief. And I'm not sure that that is a strategy that has worked well in the past. And I'm not convinced strategy that will work. What work? Well, in this instance, so I think perhaps, yes, the the proposed amendment takes the teeth out. I also think avoids a major strategic error on our part and I would I would prefer a directive to the municipal attorney to be handled differently and not not in a resolution. >> That's thank you. >> Thank March area. I just say the same thing. What? I'm not opposed to fighting. In fact, I love fighting. I'll fight anybody. But you have to fight smart. You have to fight smart to win. And that's not what this that's now resolution is doing. It's it's like member Baldwin Day said we're we're punching the States square in the job. Broad daylight and then also going, by the way, they can. You help us with the saying why would they do that? They said go to h***. Why should we help you van ahead us and the job you're going you publicly, get them out here and say we're going to sue you instead of working collaboratively to find solutions, why would they do that? That we can still sue them without this resolution. If that is the course that we decide to go, we do not need this resolution to pursue this remedy. So if you want to fight, let's fight. Let's fight to win and not for to signal. Mr. Vaughan. >> Thank you, Mister Chair. personally am a lover, not a fighter, you know that this discussion has given me more thoughts. You know, I don't want to speak for the sponsor, but it light of what we heard from member for must encourage, I think mentioned, you know, there's been several years or for multiple years. I think it's what you said in terms of advocacy. And so as I read this, I think that the motivation is what we tried it for multiple years. We tried to have the outback behind the out house conversation and we're not getting the relief. So, you know, I can kind of see where this is coming from you know, specific to the amendment. And and the discussion here about, you know, when to these things publicly and when not. If this passes the final version passes, even as amended, I believe Madam Clerk, it'll still have the sort of legislative drafting so. Our hand is tipped regardless of whether amend this because they can see the language that was struck through, you know, it'll communicate. Maybe that's not the entire somebody was on board, right? But the language will still be visible even though it's it's struck and through. Something tech to consider. And then finally, I just want to go back to like the process because I can't just go have a private meeting with the municipal attorney say, hey, I Daniel Holland. One of the representatives of North Anchorage want to sue the state on this topic. So like what I guess in my limited experience on the spotty, I've just never seen an executive session happened. Spontaneously or or from a member who's not leadership, say like what if you didn't have an item? You know, can I just read a meeting? And I'm just say, hey, guys, I actually have a topic. I want to discuss with you on that new sport tourney. I want to go to executive session. And I as an individual member have to lay the foundation. I just if this doesn't pass, I guess what, I'm what I'm encouraging and asking my my colleagues to carefully consider is. Then in the future. If a member bring something forward, may feel strongly about. Considering legal remediation on an issue. Then please be open to going into executive session when it's not called by leadership or when it's not called by the administration. Because I think that there's other topics that are bubbling up beneath the surface right now. And so I guess that's my request that if we don't pass this let's let's be open. 2, executive session called by any member when appropriate. Thank I just jump on their quickly and add that. Any member can what I would recommend work with other council or the municipal attorneys office, too. >> Lay the foundation so he wouldn't have to sit here and do it on your own and try to convince everyone you would have the benefit of the office of Municipal Attorney or something Council to do that work. And so it sounds like a stretch. Mostly. It's a stretch for lack of practice. We don't do it very often. But ultimately the tool you would have as a member to make that argument would be through council. So just no, that wouldn't be sitting here alone. Martinez. >> Thank you. Chair continue to be on the amendment because this is the thrust of things. I just want to be clear for the members and the public has virtual signaling is also short handing the conversation. There is no part of this particular item that calls for a lawsuit. When it says we will sue the state the state of Alaska. It just doesn't say it. In fact, it says the directive to the municipal attorney is to investigate and pursue all legal avenues, including but not limited to accept or annex that are in Exeter. So doesn't call for anything specifically except to investigate. And then give us a report back with those legal theories. So I just wanted to be real clear when it. The term virtue signaling was utilized. But it was built on and argumentation. That was not necessarily just actually in the language of the resolution itself. So I just wanted to be real clear. That chair. I have as a person who and I'll own up to it has both talk to a person in the back of the alley smacked him in the nose in the front of street as well. Know that. Sometimes. You have to have concern of both. To be able to move the first one. And so our tools are very public. The municipal attorney is a public position. They're tools in the tool box are not hidden. We already know it. There's no. Secretive process. I do have a memory. It was awesome. It was often it was also articulated that at folks have not necessarily seen this strategy work. But I sit here as a member of this body. Knowing that. And I'm going to say it. Body cam implementation happened much faster because there was an outside concern. Of a legal threat. A lawsuit. 4 implementation because the voters demanded. And it was a drag of a feat moment. At least that was that was the debate. The lawsuit never happen. And implementation rolled out faster even the chief thought it could happen. So occasionally there are times when. The public declaration of a unified front saying we're just not going to take it anymore is important. so I don't know that necessarily from my vantage point that I definitely vote and the courage my members to support not the amendment, but moving something forward. I want to lastly resonate on this to voters. Last point. If you all are thinking that this is the first time this popped out, just track the legislative history of when this initial discussion started coming to this body. It parallels of discussion about criminalizing additional spaces in Anchorage. So what fight do we want to pick? I don't mind whatever tools. And however, people want to say should be more less visible. But I do know that if we are going to say they're all horrible people in our community. And we're going to have an action on this body to criminalize more spaces where those vulnerable people maybe. And we know we're at the short end of the stick to the states failed response. Well, this is part of a reaction to that whole ecosystem that is coming. Folks is not just overnight. Mysterious shot off off the cliff. This is something that has been thought about, but necessarily it helps from my vantage point. The public conversation for the public. So when we see what's happening in the streets to Mister McCormick's Point, we have a better understanding that there are things we're doing, but we cannot do all the things because we are at the short end of a much bigger and greater challenge that I hope this can help the public can cover. So that would be my hope and closing comments on this particular part of the amendment chair. Thank you. I saw from the QAnon just briefly statement and the theme of your hand is tipped. Our hands this conversation is already in the state. They all know. >> The effects of it are already being felt take that for what you want, but now have no doubt that it doesn't matter what language is on a final version. If it passes strike through line, whatever they already have that information. So. That part done. All right. There's no else in the queue them members may proceed to vote on the amendment. The amendment fails on a 5 to 5 vote. back on the main motion. wish to speak further on it. Senior. None members may proceed to vote. The >> I'd like to move a floor amendment. To have a second. And so >> Listening to the debate, I think that. so what it would do is remove the words and pursue. So it's a the municipal municipal attorney. It's directed to investigate all legal avenues instead of directed to investigate and pursue. I think what that does is it. >> there's a motion to amend thanks so Russ and the second by Mr. Vaughan, a source. >> And I think what that does is. >> Makes it more clear that we are investigating it and not actually like pursuing a lawsuit as a result of this. And so, you know, then they come back with the findings and then we can go from there. >> You have the line and page section. Page, 2 line 40. >> And then I think I will end move to in the title is a part of this and take out pursue add investigate. >> The Seconder agrees to that. Speaking your mike, though. Second Thank you, Ted folks get kicked out of the queue as your system working. I could Can you try a lot back in? Now? There's a bunch of people. >> This is the part Mister Martinez morning about. Okay. We're going analog for a few minutes. The clerk is verifying with movers. As much fun as it would be to proceed. We're going to take a quick break. While the system does crazy things ghost in the machine. members come back >> can try. We're going to try. You that's right. I don't even remember the floor. are you talking? are the floor. Whereas miss Overs. She's speaking It's time to go. We're coming back to order. Silvers. You have the floor. Pursue, I think is where we broke. >> Yeah, OK? So just to recap the changes in the title where it says directing the municipality municipal attorney to pursue all legal remedies. It changes the word, pursue to investigate, so directing the municipal attorney to investigate all legal remedies. >> And then down on. >> Line 40 page, 2 where it says the municipal attorney is directed to investigate and pursue all legal avenues against the state. It removes the words and pursue. And so it's the municipal attorney is directed to investigate all legal avenues against the state. And I'm suggesting this change because I think it's important to investigate before we actually and then come back with those findings before we actually pursue action and as we're talking about executive session, you know, after investigation it during the reporting it might be advantageous to actually do that. And it executive session. Thanks. So there's a motion to amend before us. >> Any further discussion on the motion? Mr. Mccormick. Members may proceed to vote. Member Silvers. On a vote of 8 to the amendment has passed. Now back on the main motion as amended. further discussion. Yes, thank you, Mr. Tariffs of up. Maybe a information from the sponsor. So I Starburst. He previously that. >> This resolution does not call for the municipality tissues state. Maybe you could explain what pursue. All legal remedies actually looks like. >> Just one clarify now that that term has been removed from the resolution. So I'm speaking in the abstract is fine. But know if were going. So you find is that? Okay for it is gone. So. >> And I'm not an attorney. So all legal remedies means things. That are more than just one thing. All right. all legal remedies, you can be different touch the stuff that we hope. Hopefully we can find pathways forward to addressing the crisis. All right, Mr. Comic. >> Yet make a motion to go into executive session to discuss matters of behavioral health and any regards to directing municipal attorneys on the matter that by launch Arter required to be discussed and confidential such giving direction to attorneys. >> So there's a motion to recess into second of The second for the purposes of discussion, second by Mister Van. So Mister McCormick has moved Mr on a second. Didn't want to speak further to the motion. Anyone else. product. >> Yes, thank you. I guess I am wondering. I just put out there that the timeliness of this, I know we can go into executive session. I also know it's helpful if we can have, I prepared by attorneys or at least some kind of substances start from. So is is the moves intent to discuss this resolution in particular or to go into executive session to discuss the. The topic generally. >> It would be this topic generally. And I don't think that there's a time. As balding Understanding that there's likely an executive session. coming. >> To ask for a separate matter. It might be wise to combine those 2 executive sessions for sake of expediency potentially at our next meeting. And also to give council a little more time to prepare, which I imagine they would likely appreciate so that they're not necessarily on the spot to provide legal context that they haven't had at least a couple of weeks to research as a courtesy to council. I think that would be generous. So I will not be supporting executive session. >> I just want to briefly speak to there discussion about entering an executive session tonight, but because of how chaotic things were getting to tonight, I think the decision was made to postpone that process to another day. the other matter is not germane. And your plans, woman, fund. Thank you, Mister Chair. I'm going to support the motion because I have, you know, sort of I think trying to hold 2 true December one is that. I want as much of our business that is able to be done in public to be public. And I I certainly don't ever want to see executive session abused. And I think talked a lot about that as a body over that last few years. You know. Being been careful about the purpose executive session. But in this instance, you know, I think I've heard from my colleagues that this is the sort of discussion that. Perhaps should be had an executive session. And I also just I feel like the sort of highlights the inertia against going into executive session when it's not requested by simply leadership. And so for that reason I'm and I'm going to go through this exercise. Thank you. Mister Chair. As both Monday. >> Thank you. I just want to clarify, I'm not saying that. I don't believe that the merits executive session. I'm I'm simply saying that if the movers intent is to discuss this issue generally and not this resolution in particular. And there's no particular. And in that case, there's no urgency to do. Enter executive session and go through that entire process this evening. We are already going to be an executive session and at our next meeting on a separate item. This conversation could be rolled in to that executive session. And we could proceed with business this evening. >> I am just going to take a moment to start constant to rebut. >> The >> assertion that there is an inertia. And the member at any time can do it Mr. Mccormack just did. There are 100 100 rules that are allowed and open and available to any member at any given time. At any given time. They have a right to do that. And just because a motion has not been made doesn't mean can't be made. And I think kind of a affront to the leadership. assertion is being made of that nature because there is not gatekeeping happening here. So I just have to put that on the record. This Martinez. Thanks, chair. So I just want to be clear. >> It was asserted that by the mover of the executive session, Mr. Mccormack that. Conversation broadly would be discussed, but not necessarily the specificity of this resolution. That doesn't make sense to me in terms of. Stopping the procedure of this resolution advancing forward. Because you can have So I think. Having people's attention focused on different strategies, different levers that the municipality has both publicly and privately are kind of what the point of this resolutions justice in the first place. And so I hope that there was follow-up. and it could be in any form executive session otherwise. But I don't necessarily see and that's been articulated that there's any. main reason that the executive session should interfere with the advance of this resolution because that's not call for the executive session in the first place. Not substantive reason. So I just would recommend to my colleagues we advance this vote on it up or down and continue to move for the rest of them. I think. also the motion. Senior and uncovers mercy to vote. vote of to 6, a motion to adjourn to executive session failed. >> We're back on the main motion as amended any further discussion. Seeing none members on spot and it. >> Yes, thank you, chair. I would. I would like to move from their amendment. Number one, please. >> There's a motion to amend Day. Seconded by MS probably. Misbah today. >> Thank you, chair. I'm I'm supportive of the addition of the whereas language that discusses the the am always decision of the voters decision to tax themselves to provide for this issue. I think that's important deserves to be. this resolution. And I urge my colleagues support. >> Further discussion on the motion to amend. Seeing none members may proceed to vote. On a vote 9 to one. The amendment passed. Back on the main motion as amended. Any further discussion. Yes. So I think what I want to do is postponed until our next meeting. >> So we have an opportunity to discuss this at the rolled in executive session. Second. Is that a motion? Let's go into the next meeting. Motion to postpone 2. The meeting of this. 26. Moved by Mister Vaughn and seconded by Mr. Any discussion on the motion Baldwin to keep So yeah, I like Baldwin days idea about. Multiple topics that we're going to have an executive session. That's the plan for. The next meeting. If majority of members vote to go into executive session. I don't want And now I'm going like it shouldn't be a given. Whoever caller asked for an executive session that it should be approved. And Michael is not to cause an affront to anyone. But I think that this merits a little bit more fulsome conversation, especially given all discussion that we've had on this tonight. So make sense to me that if we were going to do that, we would do that and then we can take action. Thank you, Mr. All right. On spot >> thank you chair. I would be really curious to hear. >> Councils thoughts on this particular motion. Is that appropriate thing to ask? >> The motion being to postpone to the next and a sensibly. The executive session that. >> Well, don't actually pretty. I don't think that's part of the motion. I think for. The purposes of planning, I would offer that maybe a better strategy to move this to that meeting and then between now and then find a time to have a special meeting to do an executive session at City Hall. >> Where we can just be more focused and not take up the time of our business meeting for this process. And so I think that the motion to, but you can speak to counsel for sure. On the motion to postpone. But I would ask that people keep separate in their minds to 2 so that if we do decide to have and get the request get it moving, we will schedule a time when just do that instead of this. >> In that case, I withdraw my question. Thank you, Mr. To us. Whatever that essentially I just wanted to flag that my hope for the bodies that we can walk and chew gum at the same time. And so I just wanted to bring the power low. This is not the introductory night. This is not the second night that we've had action item before us. This is the second time it's been postponed since the introduction. I just want to be real clear about that. Wow, that's all happening. The second time of postpone introduction, this body has advanced. A whole lot of areas all around mental health response. But not taking this up. Seems to be a mistake. Seems to be out of sequence at the very least, a misunderstanding of the ability to do all of these things. At the same time. So. I would encourage us to not delay okay. I mean, withdraw my motion. Mister Chair things, but but but I also encourage folks to. With their conscience. And I guess there's a new point because Mr. withdrew his. All right. So the motion to postpone has been rescinded by the mover has allowed under the code. >> So we're back on the main motion as amended any further discussion. Members may proceed to vote. vote of 4 to 6. The motion has not passed. Now on to item 13 and is 2025 73 and this a public hearing artists of the Anchorage municipal, some of the amending Anchorage Municipal Code Chapter. To 30 rules of procedure for somebody clarify the procedures. The chair granting parents requesting to make a motion postpone indefinitely. Not debatable when it closes the public hearing on an agenda item. One of the sponsors is not here tonight and as request has been made to postpone this item to the next meeting so he can be sure to participate on the discussions. So like to ask for a motion to continue the public hearing to the meeting of August. 26 so moved second, but Mr. Meyer seconds, probably. Mo Vaughn, a star. Any discussion on the motion? Senior. None members may proceed to vote. On a vote of 10 0 item has been continued. The public hearings continue to mean walks 26th. We've been joined by the mayor just in time. Item 13, 2025. Dash 80 for an artist. Think somebody amending encourage municipal code chapter 12 to 16 tax incentives for housing and acting your code chapter 12 80 tax incentives for housing rehabilitation. There's also a nest version earnest and somebody amending encouraging this chapter 12 that 60 tax incentives for housing and acting Mr. Coach after 12 dot a tax incentives for housing rehabilitation. The public hearing for this item is open again. Anyone wish to be heard on this item. Please come forward. Welcome, please. State your name part of town. You're from. You'll have 3 minutes. Mike Isikoff. Thank Yeah, good. Even Jason North-South. Anchorage just support this project. Appreciate your support on it, too. >> I know that is further amending some things that have been worked on. How I do wish we had taken a little bit of a opportunity here to pilot. Allowing some extra units and sounds that would in currently support that as long as they stay within the building envelope clout. But I do understand the need for expediency. And this is a good tool. And I do hope you move forward with it. I'd also encourage you to round out our package of incentives, if you will, transport developments currently before planning and zoning should have come before the body. I hope that you would support it to really maximize the. And so that that you're putting in place here. Thank you. Welcome, please. State your Part of 10 from the left 3 minutes. Welcome. >> Hi, my name is where Walker from Spin Art. I support this ordinance. I think it's a great next stop. >> Continue the work of the Assembly and administration too. I encourage more housing clou ding it with this. You know, station of infrastructure and housing slick that we currently have. But that's not really being able to be used to house people hopefully encourage more people use the vacant abandoned property list and kind of redevelop some of the properties that are not currently being utilized for for housing. I hope we can kind continue this and not just have a rehabilitation for those that are in vacant and abandoned back, continue expand to other properties that might need to just that aren't quite so decrepit at this point, but could the incentives as well. So thank you for your work and I hope you all support it. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Anyone else wish to be heard. And when it off. Senior, public hearing on item is now close with 2 of the body. Move to approve the S second motion to approve. That's version by Probably second by Miss Balding day. Speak to it. >> Yeah, thank Just briefly. And then I do have a couple questions for the administration at a later time. version is really a roll-up of multiple amendments that were brought to the community come at. You cannot development committee and they do generally 2 things. One is to clarify in the language. What types of properties are what properties would or would not qualify? Because I think that's really important to be clear, not just whether they're on the vacant abandoned lists, but just making sure that our language is clear there. And then the other thing is really encouraging folks to consider maximizing their current zoning for. So, for example, if they have a single family home on R one lot, they could build a duplex. And so it incentivizes re having at this temporary abatement for both you. And it's not just original one. Maybe that's being being rehabilitated, but really, again, encouraging folks to build out as much as possible. And then I've got a couple amendments. But all also if there's other folks in the queue would like speak. I guess since I saw the floor. I see that that there are no others in the queue right now. So I'm gonna move probably amendment number one. >> Motion to amend Imus second has >> Yeah. So this one as you can read, it allows a six-month timeframe essentially right now if you put a property on the vacant and abandoned lists, it is not allowed to be for sale. But I imagine that practically speaking, many of the owners of these properties are not necessarily the ones who are going to reap rehabilitate. So we want these properties to potentially sell to someone who will use them as long as they aren't speculative. Speculatively selling and they make an effort to utilize that tax incentive within a period of time. So that's really what this does. The 6 month period says that you have that period of time to pursue that application, even if the property changes hands so that there's a time-limited incentives to do that. Thanks. Mr. Johnson. >> Yeah, thank March Erso question to the administration, perhaps Mr. Cloud or or who else wants to tackle this? We have a series of amendments. I think in spirit I support all of them. But I would just be curious to know if there's anything in any these amendments that gives you are the administration pause we're concerned about if it will affect the implementation or the underlying intent of the ordinance. Yes, for Jen. >> Yeah, yes. Threw the chair to member Johnson. We did have a chance to review all of these amendments and there's there's one amendment that we did have some challenges with, which was that with which I did speak to members of Silver's about that might have some unintentional effects on on not an eligibility for the exemption. intended to be protections from being short-term rental. And I can speak to that more. >> Tell us that when we're on that amendment them. But that is the only one. Where were you and have a specific comment threw the chair. Correct? Okay. Thank you. Okay. So any further discussion on the amendment? Hearing and seeing none members may proceed to vote. And a vote of 10 0. The amendment has passed for now. Back to the main motion as amended. Next amendment. >> just gets Either way. I'm gonna move rally. Amendment 4. >> Motion to amend Imus from Mr. Johnson, product. >> Yeah, thanks. And I will say if anyone has worked with the assessor's office, Mr, Cloud and others on this folks have questions. I will immediately defer to them. But this essentially says that the exemption is allowed for residential buildings and accessory structures. That could include an and it does not Really to land value and then and really just provides a method for calculating what is or isn't in that exemption. Thanks. also amendment. >> And seeing none members may proceed to vote. And a vote of temperatures or the amendment has passed. Mr. Johnson. I move Johnson amendment number 3. Motion to amend and seconded by probably Mr. Johnson. >> Yeah, thank So the impetus for this amendment was a concern that I raised when we had this presentation at the CDC meeting that is. Possible. Early say I was concerned. may be a possibility. Certain individuals may look to essentially take advantage of this program right where somebody could have a perfectly serviceable property, perhaps in a nice property, choose to vacate it for 6 months and meet the other. Strictly necessary requirements to listed or to added to the vacant and abandoned registry. And then once it is on that list, too, essentially do their home remodel that they've been contemplating for some time and again, meet the strict language of the the ordinance as as it was presented and thereby exempt their property from. The Corpsman Sperry property taxes, which I don't think is the spirit of this. So the thought was, is there anything we can do to help mitigate that risk? And so I worked with the administration to draft this proposed amendment simply to state that. There's a desire or or a necessity for this to be used in the intended purpose and not to be exploited by individuals looking for man or to simply renovate their house and thereby enjoy the benefits of tax exemption. myself into queue, Mr. Johnson, thank you. So I completely agree with the spirit of this. >> My question is more attacks cool, too. Probably the assessor. What would it look like? 2? Find someone has, in fact done it in a way that is outside of the law because did something. What it look like. wasn't going to work. Yeah. So this is Jack and a miss Marple Cessar. I think for right now what I don't know exactly what to look like as far as everything. But I think at the end of the day is probably one those things when a duck walks like a it's probably a dock right. And so there's maybe a couple of things they could probably look at for says maybe look at the current state property is really good condition and look at what they're trying to also also having their application. Does application have, for example, a really nice renovation and that right, so that we probably a first, you know, yellow flag, so to speak. Probably also look at the history of the property. Look at the history of the pictures of it. I also imagine that you'd look at the history of the exemption and you probably also be working with code enforcement at I don't foresee this being high, you know, he was a p section of cold that we had one and for us. But when if there is a chance for this were to happen. I think this could be helpful for us to uses a little bit for leverage. asked that question slightly different to the misbah attorneys how would you manage this kind of a deal like due process wise? What does it look like to find this is a fact. Sorry for loss left field question. But could you repeat the question? Yeah, I'm just I agree with the spirit of the section completely and I wonder how it is enforceable. What does it look like? So I asked that accessory, some probably some code enforcement. Look at the records. Look at the photographs. Look at the improvements proposed. I don't know if we look at proposed improvements on. Applications for this, but what does it look like to try to adjudicate this? I think it would be difficult. So. From the attorneys perspective and Icmr Bowman Is there any language that we might add to this to make it more enforceable? It just seems. It seems hard Joe. have a moment for legal conference. Yeah, Mr. Bowman you might get over the area. think there are other people in the queue. And so if it's on the amendment, we let folks speak to I'm gonna hold for you, Mr. Johnson, Mr. Martinez. Yes, chair. This question was raised at CDC and >> I'm surprised to see the amendment come forward primarily because there was a description from. I'm not sure code enforcement but may be missed a cloud or someone else can give us description of what does it mean to be on the vacant and abandoned property list? Because the the premise of of the Amendment is that it's an easy switch. And if you have a nice house, you could just turn on the switch. Say my house is on a vacant and abandoned property. Listen. Qualify for tax exemption. This amendment helps to clarify that. That's not the case. It's not the case that vacant abandoned properties. Just an easy switch to turn on. There are regulatory things that that means and I would just love to hear a little bit deeper about what does that mean if you can, anyone from the medications he missed a cloud of here? I know it was mentioned that CDC, but if you can give us a little Moore fulsome understanding of isn't an easy switch or does it come with requirements and obligations to become a vacant and a bit registered vacant and abandoned property. Yes, through through the chair known cloud with the mayor's office. The there are obligations responsibilities with being on the vacant abandoned list. They have to, you know, that after first of all, to sell either sell for port or the properties identified by code enforcement, doesn't. >> Probably through nuisance calls. They have to secure the property, which often means that they boarded up right. Like that's why you see vacant abandoned properties being bored. If you have to also pay a fee which escalates speed first. Here is a certain amount goes up after that subsequently. So there are some obligations there that are required. >> And that it had been reported in may be at just missed it. And you heard some of conversation ever been reported that. Folks who are on the vacant and abandoned property list now have a history of turning them on and off from the vacant abandoned property. that has that ever been a tool that people used to just for some reason used as a tool to sit on the property. >> It's, you know, through the charter member, Martinez, I really can't speak to that specifically. I think code pavement folks would be more familiar with that. I I can't speak to the history of of Cal Common. It is for people to go on and off the list. >> And thank you. And additionally it was chair was it was discussed and described at CDC and as Mr. Cloud just mentioned ways on the vacant and abandoned property list which comes with obligations like boarding up your home because it's a vacant home. And so securing to municipal code standards. But the 2 ways on the list are self reporting. And owner says my property is on the vacant and abandoned property list and then we would check it. To see if it, in fact, was. They living up to the standards of that self reporting process that they do securing and all that other stuff or the other way is code enforcement drives around see these dilapidated properties and it's like that's supposed to be on our goes through their process. Seems like those are the 2 ways on to the list. Seems like. It's going to be a long time before. >> Wonderful houses, homes that are looking for Reno. Are going to find a loophole to the vna list as it is today. >> And so it just seems that there's a good process. I don't know that this makes it even better. But I just want to just let folks know in the public. With or without this particular amendment. There is a process. It's not just slap hazard. go lucky thing. It's actually a step-by-step process that's regulated and enforced by our code enforcement. Vna list. >> Yes, through the chair that that's right. And I think that that good when you're designing policy like this, I think that it's really important keep in mind that you can't design something that's completely full proof, right? I mean, we try to we try to create reasonable guardrails from blatant abuses. I think that. But, you know, this is a program that we're trying to put out there that has certain public value to it. And it is, you know, possible that it could be gamed in some way. And we try to anticipate that and prevent it. But it could still happen. >> Thank you, chair. I I. >> Supportive of the amendment. that what I'm language of the amendment doesn't necessarily change for my mine anything about it. It just this is a little more redundant. If anything. But I want the public to be clear. This is just not about easy switch. There's actual process and code enforcement regulation manages to vna process for us. on the amendment. >> Yeah, I think guess just clarify this. This is not the one minute I'm right where the amendment passes are not support the underlying ordinance we'll say that. Yes, we don't have examples of people, you know, trying to game the system, but we haven't really provide an incentive for people to do so either. And there are some hoops you would have to jump through in order to meet the letter of the law to get on the analyst. But this is potentially. Providing a significant incentive for somebody to contemplate jumping through those hoops. If I own a Milton multi-million dollar property and if I can figure out slapping play, would plywood for 6 months go to Hawaii will allow me to exempt. Myself. I'm praying a significant portion of property taxes I might consider doing that, right. So what anybody ever tried to do that? I'm just not sure if somebody did, would it leave a very, very bad taste in my mouth? Yes, I don't think this amendment really creates significant burdens to the underlying ordinance. You know, we had talked about other ways to achieve this goal such as well. Maybe a property would have to be inspected before we headed to The View, a list and I didn't want to add obstacles to make it harder for the people. We want to take advantage of this program to do so. And I didn't want to add cost to it. So we tried to find something. Fairly narrowly tailored really. Again, not impose undue burdens, but hopefully give us some some recourse. If somebody does, in fact, try and diffuse it. And I get that this is press not a likely scenario, I think the consequences of adopting this amendment are minimal. But either way, it's good ordinance, all support it. Thanks. Miss Martinez. >> And I support what member Johnson just said. I want to just go a little further and say to the administration upon implementation, there's a difference between them, a dark home as member just just described. Shut that house down as a vacation home fly away for a few months and seal it up. There's a difference between a dark home and a vacant and abandoned property. And so as long as the administration is continues to help the public understand the clarity and if this particular ordinance in this particular amendment does that as well. But I want to be real clear if you're sending a multimillion-dollar home in it and you want to dark home, it that is not a vacant and abandoned property. But if you want us to tag your property has dilapidated. We'll have a conversation with you because that's going change the whole scape of your economic trajectory. So don't try to game the system. On one hand. And I appreciate the administration's advancing and looking out for the loopholes but advancing something that I think is gonna be meaningful in our community. Thank you, chair. Thank you. So I put myself in the queue and more time. a constant I'm not speaking against this thing. But as a point of reference. >> This body passed. The shelter licensing program and we knew that program was really effective. Unclear. And when 3 years later, 4 years later, it was implemented. We were told there's no way that we can enforce. This is not real. And just a prompt for me and my work on this body is always ask, how does this actually get enforced? What does it look like? clearly all the attorneys over there left the room to try to sort out what wait a minute, what is this thing? And so clearly there's a question there. And so again, I'm 100% supportive of this approach. We can either wait for the attorneys move on to another amendment. They're set on the packet or take the vote and I'm not gonna vote against it. But the reality is we don't know if we have an enforceable piece of code here until we hear back from the folks charged with enforcing it. So. That's kind of my take. Move this to the next meeting. The vote for this to the next meeting. Second. There's a motion to postpone this item to the next meeting moved by. Mister Myers is a requirement. I think the mayor might want to be in the queue. I see those items put on the spot. You're in the queue. Madam mayor of the floor. >> Thank you, Mr. I just ask the body to consider voting on this ordinance tonight. We have some concerns about delaying it I'm not sure if. No Lindor, Graham, if if it be helpful to speak to those concerns, I believe they were addressed in the CDC meeting, but perhaps you could come back to this item. >> Okay. Mister Chair, I'll withdraw my motion and with the question call the question. Motion to call the question on the minute. I don't think it's necessary. I think that. >> Everyone said their piece really >> are we waiting for attorneys to give us an answer then or direction? We don't need to again, let's just move forward. I think it's fine. think everybody knows that this is going to fall. Yeah. Go ahead. Members may proceed to vote. Just get the advice later. That's the law. And then figure out works. And a vote of 8 to the amendment has passed. That's probably a silver actually in the queue. >> Yes, so I'm not going to move my amendment, but I would like to hear from the administration. >> How they will ensure and enforce the provisions that are already in this code. That properties do not receive the tax incentive if they turn their units and short-term rentals at any point in time while they're receiving the incentive. >> Threw the chair member silvers. That code would require that if that the property be offered, if it's rented that it's offered for for 30 day periods of time, which precludes it being used as a short-term rental. The way that that's monitored, they have to report each year on the exemption and they would have to certify that they are using at, you know, that they're renting it for those terms. And if they were not, then that would be it grounds for cancellation. And I think I think the assessor could probably speak a little bit more to this as well. If you'd like kind of Moore from more and more clarity about it. Short-term rental. Yes I'm not sure >> asked the questions, silvers. You threw the chair to Silver's check names here. Again. This processor, I think just kind really off the coast. couple of things to to look for. One is there's the annual reporting. And so I think that could be very useful, helpful tool for I another thing is our staff, too, for General Exemption Review. We do look for your listings of properties that are being rented, Airbnb and so forth. One of the primary reasons is that residential exemption, the senior disabled veterans. So we are trying to monitor that as well. I think maybe it could pop up there. And then there's also the 3rd part to that this house or if there is any questions we can ask additional information to get clarification. So it's a kind of those 3 prongs might be how a full to your question. Go far. I myself like Mr. Khan 2 Martin Amis. Maybe, you know, maybe someone also is what part of the code is it that specifically restricts the use of abatements? >> Or incentives like this for short-term rentals wears the code. >> Off the to to con sent off the cusp. I don't know where it is right maybe Goldman speak to it. Thanks. To the chair. You're asking what part of the code says we cannot use this type payment for short-term rental was asserted. I believe if I heard correctly that there are other parts of the code that make it clear you can't use center vice properties. >> For short-term rentals and then it was asserted that in an annual reporting process, we could, in fact find it. Therefore, there must be some place in the code that says it. So in the proposed Co UK. We have prohibited. Okay. just a redundant kind of. Yeah. simply. It's within the power of the assembly to. lot apply these. Exemptions to properties used for short-term rental. That is not what has been proposed and said we have proposed with a prohibition against these properties being used for truck. so it's just in the main. So second part of the question. >> That was asserted that we're now doing kind of reviews to figure out is. Properties that are getting the the primary home exemption of the senior exemption are being used. A short-term rentals. We passed a code that said that the short-term rental agencies have to report which properties are being used. And I know that they have just ignored it is is true? Analysis of the current condition? >> There has been pushback from from the hosting platforms about what they feel is. Appropriate and necessary reporting for to meet their tax obligations. So currently, we still do not have a property by property listing of who's paying property taxes to assert >> The hotel attacks, right? Yes, that is correct. So they're still living in a loophole where they're telling us trust them. And our best effort is to have some stuff Labor Department that doesn't have enough staff to go scanning the Internet to try to figure out who's renting. Short-term rentals. a kind of the takeaway. >> The administration is working with the but those platforms to try and find a. trying to find a manner to get the information. assembly is seeking to. But we've not reached a conclusion to that yet. >> So okay, some form of additional law might be necessary or more taxation for people who are unwilling to participate in the public process, I think is probably in order. Thank you on the amendment Monday. >> I was also curious about. It's sort of categorization of of platforms like Furnished finder that are often used for periods of longer than 30 days, but are not necessarily platforms among themselves or that be considered. A longer term rental or stable rental. And as far as adding to our available supply of rental properties for folks who live here. I'm curious what what bucket those fall into in terms of. In terms of this type of tax incentive. >> So a hosting platform that is offering that threw the chair to memorable for system betrayed moment. Hosting platform that is offering rental for longer than 30 days does not fall under our code for the bed tax. And similarly. We've modeled the definition of short-term rental and the 12, 16, 12, 80 provisions. >> Ce to match the bed tax provisions in coats. So if there are hosting platform that was renting for a period of say 2 months, 60 days, 90 days. That would not violate the requirements of. These. Exemptions as Britain proposed. Thank Sprite. >> Thanks. Yeah. On that topic. >> I remember in in a prior it's really thinking about. >> How could we, for example, require 12 month lease is knowing that if you don't have a house or if you don't have a place to live for 12 months out of the you know, on only 6, that's a challenge. But I remember I'm just going to from multiple property owners describing the reality that that often people do desire to sign less than year. Leases. They may be transient, you know, traveling nurses or others. And anyway, so I would just urge caution, I guess, in thinking about it and I support the language that's already in ordinance that that talks about the 30 days knowing that there's kind of a wide spectrum of housing situations and and just having gone down that road before trying to really pursue that, you're around housing, it does get quickly more complicated. so at this support what's already in the ordinance? Thanks. 5, we are on an amendment stated previously. Run them in motion as amended. >> The Spartans. Yes. Thank you, Just quickly. just wanted to flag from opponent and for municipal attorneys. Essentially. so for now fit or is is using a some degree But Ross leverage and to sublet Dewey can skirt around this as well. Essentially, I can. I second sublet. From an owner 4 year old, Alice Foreman on a 4 year and then sublet to my short terms and I would protected by the original. I just wanted. I heard that. And I just it's not necessarily Jermaine now, but I wanted to flag that if we're talking a short terms and gaming the system tonight, a couple of things maybe wanted to flag that element as well. Thank you, Mr. Bowman. If you have any thoughts about that. But if not, you could just take it off line and we can follow up on. All think it's my cupboard. If they touch the monitor. Okay. Are we at the end of the line? A further discussion. Seeing and hearing none members may proceed to vote motion us to approve. On a vote of 10 to 2025. Dash any for us has any for us. As amended has passed about in about 10 0. So next we are on item 14. 2025 dash. 59. An artist anxious plus some of many anchor to this chapter 3 DOT 90 access to public records C section 3.30 on 6 update. The public records request response procedures. Public hearing is now open. probably. >> Move to continue the public hearing and postpone to the meeting of September 9th. Second second motion to continue by probably seconded by Mister. >> Martinez, any further discussion on the motion? Hearing and seeing none members may proceed to vote. On a vote of 10 to 2025. Dash. 59 has been continued to the meeting of September 9th as 14 be. 2025. Dash 83 in earnest in Christmas for some of the many Bank Trust Code Section 11, 10, to increase the maximum amount allowed to be charged processing credit and debit card transactions for tax cut services. The public hearing is now open, >> Move to continue the public hearing and postpone this item to the meeting of September 9th as well. And I can speak to it. >> There's a motion to continues or second second moved by Probably second polling day, Mr. Price. >> Yeah, thank you. To reasons for postponement 1, one of those sponsors is not here tonight. Second is that we would like more time to continue to work through this item. Thanks. Any further discussion. >> none members may proceed to vote motion is to postpone, continue the public. >> Amber Martinez. >> On a vote of 10 to 2025. Dash 83 passed by. Next 14 C 14 see as 2025 dash. 85. An ordinance and just some of the repealing and replacing encourage yes, Code Section 10 15, 0, 3, 7, or guarding of our safety. Our program to eliminate application review an issuance processes. Discontinue clerks and reports of some in any of our safety. Our attrition requirement public hearing is now open. This probably. >> Thank Move to put to continue the public hearing and postpone this item to August. 26 meeting. >> So there's a motion to second tin you it by most probably seconded by Mister Myers. Any further discussion? probably On this one. There's intend to bring forward a nest version. We did not get it ready for tonight, but I expect to see that on the next meeting. Thank you. >> And the further discussion seeing hearing none members may proceed to vote. The motion this continued public hearing. On a vote of 10 to 0 2025. Dash. 85 will be back before us and 8.26 next. We have item 14, D and 4 TDs resolution in our 2025 dash 2.18, resolution, the municipality of Anchorage, appropriate amount not to exceed 5 million, 600,000 dollars. Of bond. Proceeds from the sale of 2024 Port Revenue Bonds series and for the payment of bond issuance costs from the port from the port of Alaska Capital Improvement Fund 570-8002, the 2024 part of Alaska operating fund 5, 7, 0, 0, 0, 0, The public hearing on this item is now open. Anyone wish to be the side. Anyone at all. Seeing hearing the Senate must now close with some of the money. >> To prove second, violence probably seconded by a small the day. Any discussion. Seen here in an members may proceed to vote. On a vote of 10. Just 0. There are 2025 dash, 2 ATS S the body next 7.14 E and 14 2025. Dash 87, an ordinance amending a code of regulations. 21 to 20 to modify existing fees, eliminate fees include new fees for entitlements that entitle 21 but not accounted for. But in the current fee schedule public hearing this items now open anyone wish to be heard on this item. Seeing none public hearing this item is no closer to body. Move to approve second. Moved a sprawling second by Miss Balding day. Any discussion. Brian? >> Thanks. Yeah. I do have one amendment. So move probably amendment one. >> Motion to amend by the sprawling second. Second by Miss Paula Day. probably. >> Yeah, thank you. I'm trying to find my paper, but essentially this is a wording change. This is not one of the fees that was proposed to be changed in the ordinance. Although I do support those changes, it refers to the current code, refers to an unfavorable recommendation from Planning and Zoning Commission. I believe it's really important when dealing with land use policy to not be arbitrary and capricious. And I can't say that we are have been doing that as a practice. But I think saying unfavorable is unclear. And so the language changes to denial. To be clear there is a fee because there is staffed. I'm involved with bringing something that was recommended for denial from the planning and zoning Commission to the assembly. So it just really makes clear that situation unfavorable could mean, for example, saying recommendation to approve a rezone but to rezone to a different zone than what the person had wanted. So I think there's just a lot of room for squishing us in there. And we don't want squishy in our code. so just recommending that language change. Any further discussion. >> On the amendment, seeing hearing none members may proceed to vote. On a vote of 10 to 0. The amendment has passed for back on the main motion as amended. Any further discussion. Seeing none members may proceed to vote. >> Member lint. On a vote of 10 to 2025. Dash 87 as amended is passed. The body. >> Next we 14 F which 2025. Dash 89. An ordinance authorizing three-year lease unless the fair market value with 2 one-year options to extend between municipality of Anchorage, Les, our and encourage community development authority. Let's see for the continued operation of a parking lot at 2025. The street in downtown Anchorage. Candy users are 2 dash, 104, dash, 3, 4, public hearings item is now open. Anyone wish to be heard on item. none. Republicans now close with 2 of the body. >> Move approve second. >> Moved by Brian seconded by as Baldwin Day. And wish to speak to the same. none members may proceed to vote. On a vote of 10 to 0. You know, 2025 dash 89 has passed the body. So there's been a request made that we consider changing the order just to take a 14 real quick. The intent of the movers just postponed indefinitely. This item so we can take care of it really quick before we dive into. That. If there's no objection. I'm seeing hearing objections will quickly take up item 14 H which is resolution or 2025. To 21 resolution missed. think appropriate operating project committed general fund sponsors or 0 on balance. amount of 1 million, 300,000 dollars is transfer inappropriate, said transfer to the area wide general fund ones are 1, 0, 0, 0, and courage. Health Department for homeless shelter and support. There's also an aspirin. Public hearings now open this problem. Move to postpone indefinitely. Motion postpone. was probably a second. Miami spoke Monday. Just briefly speak to if you Mr. Costa, thank After lots of conversation between the administration and the mover, as for Jean, the intent is take this 1.3 million and make sure it is funding housing services that will support bringing back vacant and abandoned properties. But both vehicles here don't do that very well. So their quest is postponed indefinitely and come back with a version that meets the intent of the original appropriation. So with that members proceed to vote motion is to postpone indefinitely. On a vote of temperatures are in the motion to postpone a different house past the body. Case. That brings us back to him 14 G which is resolution or 2025. To 20 resolution of the municipality of Anchorage Propery not to exceed 2 million, 500,000 dollars. Heres Lending fund 2 to 1, 0, 0, 0, Fund Balance as a transfer to Hlb operating fund 2 to 1, 0, 0, 0, and appropriate said transfer stage will be capital Improvement projects fund 4, 2, 1, 8, 0, 0, knows us prevents all within the real State Department. A public hearing on this item is now open. going to speak on your own behalf. All right. Welcome, please. State your name. A part-time from have 3 minutes. Hi, my name is Mike Edgington from good with it. I want to speak to item here. First of I'd like to thank Mister Martinez for defining the different stream dot coms and vacant homes. >> I'm going to be talking more about DOT comes tonight, which is homes, which not actively occupied, but a road to maintain cetera. So as I think many of you probably traumatic, you remember that was a lot of opposition to Hope Mills from Goodwood community. There were a number of reasons for that. I think buy post need so 3 things. One of them is the finance, the finances and the risk around a bit. We may more about later. The second one is it's a quote, housing project, but it guarantees 0 houses. It's a land development only necessary step, but not I would send adequate step. And the thing is it relies entirely on the market to provide housing solutions every Gateway Rizzo community I'm aware of that's seriously tried to address housing does not rely on the market. It puts incentives into actually have occupied housing at the end. And when we had to last about a year ago when we Public hearing last public hearing on Holton Hill's. I mentioned it would be I've come back and give some numbers about what the market actually doing. So that's what I'm here for tonight. So we've had quite a lot of housing. New housing building good over the last 4 years. So I look to the day 2021 to 2024. new housing new housing constructed residential housing. That was about 73 housing units created which as per capita, there is pretty high, much, much higher the rest of the community. About 10, 20 times high to the rest of municipality Anchorage. 25 for condos. 48 housing units single-family home, which includes a number with news out of there. 73 16 are occupied. So keeps Apopka If you look just of the condos, those 25 condos, one is occupied. 96% dot coms. That's the reality of what happens in Goodwood. That's the reality of what even if being built will happen in Holton Hill's when you look at the the money that's being invested, NIS the costs, the risks, especially if we have to consider project like this in the future. I would just urge this body to sink about what you're actually going to be achieving in terms of housing in terms of how smoky patients in terms of what it actually means, the community, not what it means to somebody living elsewhere in the state, out of the state the country who wants a second to 4th vacation home. You know, go to it. What it actually means to people live work and contribute to the committee to Thank you. Anyone else wish to be heard. >> Chairman, a Wrist responding ask questions. Thank Stretching tonight was I was wondering if you would be so kind as to repeat. >> That the years that this data covers. >> Yet the show that its new housing from 2021 through 2024. >> So this isn't a three-year period. so this isn't just three-year pay. >> For use running 3 for adults and 2021. I think the you know, COVID still have impact. other thing I should add out of those 73 units. At least half them are active in short-term rental market. half just over half it. Tony Stark County All right. Thank you very much, Mr. Edgington. Anyone else was speared. Anyone at all. none public hearings and is now close was 12. Move to approve. Second, motion to approve a summer seconded by MS PRI. does the administration. Want to speak to this ordinance? Mr. Johnson. Is it to invited some stations? Because I think I would defer to them to go first and also makes sense to have them them over. Sure. I'd be happy to speak to the ordinance wielding for sort of description or a sense of why we're bringing it forward. >> Yeah. And in the gist of item is that it? >> Re appropriates 2.5 million dollars from within the Heritage Land Bank Fund to pay for the offsite improvements which are currently being constructed. Those improvements were authorized under the disposal and the development agreement that you all approved in 2023. And so that's primarily with these funds are being used for as the offside improvements. total cost of the Austin improvements is closer to 2 million dollars. But the 2.5 million covers contingency landscaping. Some other minor costs. That's fair enough. I'm sure there'll be more questions, Mr. Johnson. >> Thank you. And I have a few questions which pressed Mr. Downey like to tackle or we also have real state director Briggs here so that you decide who wants to take these as they come up. My first question is outside of this appropriation or contemplating here tonight, what money has been spent already on the Holton Coast Project. I believe there have been some pre-development costs. >> Tiffany brings real estate director through the chair Mr. Johnson. Yes, we've spent about $208,000. >> Between 2021 and >> April or May of this year. >> Ok, so 208,000 which we could add to the 2.5 million dollars at work play this evening. Okay. Thank next question. I have is the development agreement also stipulates that the owner in this case, the Muni. Must cover the cost of Crow Creek Road improvements. Can anyone speak to? A rough estimate of what those improvements might cost or what the process for determining whether or not the required looks like we're really what is our best understanding today. What potential future liability exist there? Yeah, I think there's a couple of variables there that making on certain there's the uncertainty of whether the requirements will be required. I think to the degree they are required it that intent initially was to look for variants. So then whether that variance a successful or not, >> will matter Crow Creek Road, as you know, is. >> Currently not maintained its primarily maintained by the state to a limited degree and it does not have a That's not part of bosses, my understanding. So it is not. >> Currently men to answers. Lots of ongoing questions about the future of Crooked Creek Road. That would also create some uncertainty here. And then in addition. We know road construction is pretty expensive. This is a couple miles of road construction. So hard to guess about what that would be. But several million dollars at least a bit. I think the most recent estimate I heard was something like 3 and a half million dollars per mile that someone in the room has a better estimate, the NIE would hold me to that number for this project. Okay. So so thank you. Just to kind of dig into that a little bit. We're building additional houses in the development. >> That will use Crow Creek Road as a secondary us route. Now believe that that would require an upgrade to the road. You're saying we could ask for a variance, right? But it is sort of implied. Without a variance we would be obligated to upgrade those 2 miles, a Crow Creek Road and other other concerns and other issues about. Other parts appropriate road. But just keeping it specific to this piece of it. I think that would be that is not yet determines that would be a determination that the traffic engineer would that would make after. >> The second phase of the project, once the secondary access to correct because established. >> So I guess really this point, we don't know, but there does exist. The potential. That proceeding with this project, we will be required to make upgrades to, though that road, which 2 miles in 3 and a half million dollars per mile would be potentially 7 million dollars. That we may have to spend to make upgrades to Crow Creek Road to support this development. >> Yeah, and I would again coffee out that again, those numbers are very fuzzy. So could change over time. Could even be inaccurate estimates for today. So but maybe a rest magnitude, right? We don't know. We don't know. But I think it's still relevant to the highlight. The fact that it is a potential liability and potentially very large one. Let me ask you last question here. Do we have updated projections for the revenues and costs of the Holton Hill development. The only thing we have in the original ordinance is a pro forma from the RFP in Twenty-twenty to do anything new to the sheriff right. I might defer to commissioner answer that question. >> Thank you. Threw the chair. My name is Kanye Ocean I and the owner of C Y investments. And I would like to share with you we were asked to I was asked to provide an estimated pro forma for the first phase of Walton Hills on site. By Tiffany breaks a real estate director. She assured me at that particular time that it was just for her. and I prepared this pro forma July. 28 in accordance with her wishes. And I am here today. If I may take the time to read you a certain portions of the pro forma. And if you would like, I am willing to share that with you as well. But let me begin. This letter is in response to your request for an updated pro forma for the first phase of hotels. As you are aware, see why investment signed a development agreement. Heritage Land Bank April 29th 2022, the agreement included the conveyance of land for phase one in chase to a halt hills. Well, our initial schedule anticipated design in 2022 in commencement in 2023. significant public opposition and delays from the greater community resulted in the Anchorage Assembly postponement. The conveyance to May 7, 2024, which is nearly 2 years after the projected can advance and the projected pro forma this delay has had critical financial implications. I'm sorry. I'm sorry to interrupt summer. I think my question was a little bit more narrow. I think if somebody would like to have that statement read into the record, I think one of my colleagues would perhaps ask that, but I'm >> specifically was asking about. Revenue in cost projections for the project. And I understand I would like extend my I would like to be able to explain to you. >> How we came about the revenue costs and profitability. I think that's important to understand. It's more than just a number. It's all the information that's behind the numbers that I think is important to understand. So if I may, I would like to proceed. >> I guess I will ask, you know, pressed the indulgence, my colleagues to give you some more time to talk, but I do have more questions and comments I want to make. And so I don't want to belabor and one time in the body because it's not the specific question that I'm asking. But if we want to go through that exercise now, then I think we could take maybe another reason too. >> The reason that I'm here tonight is because there is a signed contract with GMC Construction for approximately 2.1 million dollars. They are currently maybe not at this hour. But as of this day and tomorrow putting in sewer pipe, they are waiting for a project number from Heritage Land Bank and which point in time they will give give Heritage Land Bank their first wrong request if federal request is not met. This is serious problem for Heritage, Land Bank and the assembly as well. So I would request that we take as much time as we need to to thoroughly explore what the situation is. So may I proceed. I'll just ask, I think. >> You to hold Mr. Johnson had a specific question. How's the floor? So what are we going let him go through questions and then another member may consider bringing back to hear your letter. I think it'll serve us all better if we just. Kind of follow that path. >> Yeah, I think that might make more sense. And I certainly one of my colleagues wants to ask for that information. That's fine. But I will go back to my original question is, do we have? Updated projections for the revenues and costs? >> several contingencies. Can share those? First of all, their projections. The net income before taxes, 2 million, 595,202 dollars. >> Can you break that down into something like what we see in the pro forma for those providing for phase in? Can you share? And if the answer is you can't sure that them. I understand there may be reasons but you're saying 2.5 million dollar net income before taxes but were not actually breaking that down into the revenue from lot sales. The on site development costs and post development costs. >> We have a total revenue from lot sales of 11 million, 737,350 dollars. We have financing costs of 911,463. We have development construction costs of 7 million, 372,801 for total construction costs of 8 million, 284,264 touch. We have posted development costs, including marketing fees, property taxes overhead and administrative and management fees of 857,884 giving us a net income. As I said, 2 million, 595,202. These cost pro forma are subject to the following notes. Which is insulation requirements confirmed by future soils testing to or worse oils will require a variance request to delete insulation, projected savings with curb and pay pathway removed is approximately $160,000. Drainage mitigation assumes the sub Jane Substation installed along the northwest boundary of the Road to provide training to leave for the upgraded lots. This cost will be further defined. Once a drainage analysis is complete anticipated that bedrock will need to be ripped are hammered out instead of lasting. Does not account for looping system. Further investigation is needed and likely higher costs expected. Wetlands cars could be mitigated of Hlb is able to place other wetlands within conservation easement easements. Aww, grant money could be used to pay for water and sewer assessments, water and sewer assessments alone in this project going directly to a WW is for it. And $63,310. Extend upper cul-de-sac is a private road to strip a standard sewer main and services would be extended as well. Hhi offsides utilizes state of Alaska prevailing wage scale Davis Bacon phase one will be privately funded and does not require Davis Bacon wages. This opinion of cars to 72 changes due to Platte changes geotechnical investigations. An agency review comments. This opinion of cars is based on anticipated too 1026 construction costs and does not include costs for land building surpass architectural features, landscaping, be on stabilization taxes are financing. Costs are monies for the performance and warranty guarantees to the municipality of Anchorage. >> So I think that answers my questions for My other colleagues may have some questions I think I'll all start. Testimony on this by by just making something making sure my colleagues understand something about the way this deal is structured this this public private partnership. Revenue will come in from the lot sales, right? As the development moves forward. There is revenue from those sales. The costs for the developer, then get payback to the developer. The money that's left after the developer recovers their costs and recover some additional fees. Marketing administrative management, etc. What's left gets divided between municipality. And the developer. Our costs. If you choose to make them relevant to this conversation, our costs are not deducted anywhere in there until that final split. The profits right? So I say there's 2.5 million dollars on the table tonight, $208,000. That's already gone out the door and the potential for millions more to cover our costs. The public's cost to support this project. On top of the fact that we've already given away public land. When we say that phase one will have met. Profits are net revenue after taxes of 2.9, 5 million, half of that would go to the meeting. That's about 1.5 million dollars in revenue. Seen weigh that against the investment that we're talking about making in this right. That 1.5 million dollars that will go to the developer. That is in fact, profit for the developer. They are cover their costs, but we have not. Their profits. Our revenue minus costs. Our profits then have custody from them. And then we contemplate whatever is left over now. They're additional phases in Holton Hill's phases. 2, 3, But we don't really have any estimates for what they are. Right. We don't have a pro forma. In fact, the only thing we have that's newer than what we have for 2022. Is just the statement that was read into the record here. I will say that I don't think this is easy problem for us to tackle, but I would just think it is important for us to frame it in terms of. Both the real and potential significant public investment. It will take to move this project forward. And also just be realistic about what we may see in return on that investment in terms of the dollars that will come back to and I will say for my part, I don't think this is the way we should be playing with public money because that's what we're doing here. The risks are real. The costs are real. And the upside the benefits is entirely hypothetical at this point. So I will. Pause there. Mr. Johnson. Thank just start by saying it has been previously alleged that I have a. >> Business relationship with Marra. I real estate license and her brokerage, but that relationship suffered 2 years ago. So we have no current relationship in any financial. Personal way and that. so that's first. Second. Mr. Now, why are we here? Happy myself. We're paying 2.5 million dollars for the off-site improvements. Previously there was some funding to cover these costs, right when we did the initial process. Oh, you mean the federal money right? >> Yeah. So there was in the whereas is you'll notice in ordinance that authorize the disposal contemplation we would pursue a federal congressionally directed spending through Senator Murkowski's office. That effort was successful 10, 2.5 million dollars. Thanks to Senator Murkowski. Unfortunately that funding would come with considerable strains if used on this project. It could only be used on the sewer and water lines that that that? There was initially funding that was intended to be used some out. Interestingly, but there were finally wants the money came. It came with strings. So the terms effectively changed in the process. But lark or hark girdwood now gets 5 million dollars of investment. They're doubling the investment of what goes into guarded because that initial 2.5 million dollar appropriation that came with the congressionally designated spending. Thank you, Senator Murkowski will in fact go to make improvements. The general sewer and water system agreement. Is that correct? I should have stayed standing. Yes, that's correct. Right. So here we are giving a developer acting in good faith. The public beating for a condition that she couldn't control. The fact that money that was intended in the initial plan is being shifted because of restrictions from the federal government to another poll. But here we are providing even more funding to girdwood. Municipality is very generous to girdwood. Now. I would offer that we should contemplate when we're looking at approving or not. This item. The fact that the municipality through this body's direction has been making substantial investment securing housing for the future. The process of securing housing for the future involves complicated investment. So playing with money per se, it's actually targeting investment. It's. It's tacking one-day current condition changes so that you're in the place where the investment will land and make the difference in getting the pressure on the ground. Now we are not going to solve today. The issues the Kirkwood has rightly complained about short-term rentals, dark houses and all of the scenarios that come with that. That's just not going to be sought here. We do have ideas that we're working on it not. But what we do have here is an agreement signed in good faith by a party developer. We have the municipality who has made its commitments, whether we like them or not, in part or in whole. We made these commitments. And so the answer is, do we follow through with our commitments or do we signal to every developer in this town that our money does not come with good faith where our obligations and commitments do not come with good faith and fair dealing. And so we have a duty in my opinion to live up to our agreements that have been signed and approved by this body. That I think is that overarching element of this conversation that we have a responsibility to Stewart forward to the future. If we want to see 10,000 homes built and we don't want to be the builder of 10,000 homes. Then we must be a good partner in the development of those homes by living up to our agreements. The good news is Goodwood gets twice the investment out of this deal because the federal terms changed and we have to make this deal work. My opinion, I urge your support on this item. As Baldwin Day. >> I agree that we want 10,000 homes in 10 years. I think. What really want is 10,000 occupied homes. In 10 years. I understand that provisions exist inside of this agreement, which was by an assembly that I was not a part of. And I willing to do as the chair said and hold up our end of the bargain. However. I want to put on the record that I am. Deeply skeptical. How this is going to play out in the future. And I hope that I'm wrong. I am. Bothered by. And I hope we are all troubled by the data. That was shared earlier tonight about the proportion of occupied versus unoccupied. New construction in Girdwood. And I hope that I'm wrong, that that is not a trend that will continue with this development. But I'm really, really concerned about building homes that people will not be living in. And I just I just want that to be. A-level set absent. I intend to vote yes on this preparation because I think we made an agreement and we ought to live up to that agreement. But I am concerned about the impact long term. Mr. Minus. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I have another question from a show. if she wants to come back up to the podium. >> And I really want to know if you have anything additional you would like to say or read from your statement that you didn't get to and like Mr, Constant. I probably should make a disclosure in a past life many, many years ago. used to work for miss your Mayor had nothing to do with the subdivision, though. So there is no conflict of interest, at least there for me. But I would just like to ask her if she has anything further. She wants to say to address that. And then what happens if we do not pass this tonight? I have to tell you. >> I didn't know what a dark house was. What I want the RFP and I was shocked to find out. I am a residential subdivision, I believe in the extensive e I believe in single-family homes. I also believe in ad use this project geographically and topography lends itself very well to ad views and duplexes because on one side you have a pill houses and my experience. Lots for appeal. Houses in my experiences. If you put that garage into that, he'll then you have a lot of room in the back of that garage. And if you can have a window, dig out to an area for a window. You could have a very nice one-bedroom one-bath apartment and that it's one of the goals that I foresee happening on the downhill side. We have lots that will support ranch's and you could actually try. Plex has a ranch because the first floor could be 2 bedrooms. 2 of a modest kitchen because everybody eats out a lot and upstairs you could have 2 bedrooms and 2 You could condominium eyes. Those 2. You could also condominium eyes. The bottom lower level because of the s****. You can have walkout, lower level actually that meets all the code requirements. So when we looked at all of phases, 1, 2, 3, it's 60. It's 60 acres. We have approximately 187 units, which is just approximately 3 units per acre, which is a modest amount. And so we actually can increase that. But one of the reasons that I believe I RFP awarded and not the other competitive RFP was I am a residential land developer residential land. Developers don't build lots and spend millions of dollars. It's you can't sell these lots to builders and buyers. So the idea that we're going to have a subdivision that nobody buys in this shortage of housing that we have not relevant at all. So I think that's a fallacy. We will have a homeowners association and we do have requirements from all that does require that we have long-term rentals if they're going to be a long-term rentals, we have an H.O.A. so that we're able to manage that. So the questions that were here earlier about how do you control what Elisa years lease and then this sublease well in it in a well-managed H.O.A. sublease would have to be reported to the property manager. And that's how you conduct that. In addition to that, if you want to have long-term financing through the Alaska Housing Finance Corporation, every 3 years, you have to do an audit of verified audit of how many properties that are in the community that you're managing are rentals. So unfortunately, that doesn't happen a lot, but that it will happen. I can guarantee you in our H.O.A. because we will manage that. And it's our responsibility to it's not my desire to build dark 2 million dollar homes. Yes, we do have 7 of those lots. And you know why? Because that helps our pro forma because those lots will sell for $400,000 each which allows me then to build lots that are 50 feet wide or 60 feet 6.60, feet wide that allow duplexes and for plexus. We also have 2 areas that are designed for multifamily units, which would be stacks, which right now you we have a building design for 8 units with a stall garage and so we have a variety of product it is not subsidize product. It is private market development with private money and private risks associated with it. But I am well aware that what Girdwood needs is homes for teachers, for engineers the calls that I get fort on Girdwood lots and I do not have a reservation form yet. The development agreement says that I cannot take reservations until I have approval from the planning and Zoning Commission. But the calls I get are from people who want to live in Girdwood. They want to live in girdwood. They are. They have children that are in this key program that this project is named after Houghton Hills. Howard Holton and you know, I will just tell you this. This is what I say about Girdwood I say it's 40 minutes to Girdwood. And it's 45 minutes to La Stella. Which community would you rather live And the answer is pretty obvious. Everyone most, not everyone, but most people would rather live encourage what there is a certain demographic there that wants to be part of that community. And they have children. Thank U.S. Are you done? Mister Mast. I think Yes. So I appreciate hearing about the H.O.A. and the requirements there for long term rentals. >> Is there anything in the agreement or anything in the code? Currently that would prevent short-term rentals or dark homes. I don't know who can answer this. administration are. >> I would have to and I did not bring with me. I do. There is a limitation. I do believe on short-term rentals. Yes. In the A L. And I don't know anyone has it that can pull that up right now. >> I remember there was several lots that were set aside for workforce housing so I'm I'm wondering if prohibit Haitian on short-term rentals would be the entire. Subdivision are for talking about the lots that were set aside. Also. >> So in the development agreement, there is a requirement section that 50% of the multi-family properties cannot be rented for short-term rentals and that will be enforced through H.O.A. But I think there is potentially a distinction between dark comes in short-term rentals home could be dark because it doesn't have short-term rentals in that because someone just owns it and doesn't lift their you do have to have short-term rentals to have a >> thank Mr. Downey kind of teed me up perfectly. I think it's very important to do to distinguish a dark home versus a short-term rental. A short-term rental 30 days or less. And that is a whole conversation that needs to be had. kind of. Cracked it a little bit. But previous items on on this body and there are. Projects in the works on short-term rentals, but a dark home. I just don't know how you would say we are requiring none of these to be a dark home. You have to. person to buy a home occupy or build a home, occupy a certain amount of time. And I mean, imagine there was a developer who wanted to build an apartment complex in Midtown. But we said you can't build this unless you can guarantee a certain level of vacancy. At any given time like you can't just you cannot guarantee or or in for somebody to occupy their property. For a fixed amount of time per year. I just think that would really interesting. Property rights sting to get into but I also want to comment on that. Yes, well, actually staying on that note for a second. I just I want put it out there. I just I don't find the dark home argument. Compelling because what I'm hearing is we don't want any more housing built in Girdwood. Unless somehow. It's going to occupied year-round. And I just don't know how we would effectuate that policy. I don't think we can. But as far as like the public investment. Roads. Infrastructure utilities offsite improvements. That stuff is expensive. No matter where we build it. frankly, I would love to see 2.5 million dollars of utility upgrades at 3rd and that property in my district and put some housing there. Let's do it. So I I I think we are getting the value. I think maybe, you know. Maybe some folks had this idea that this was going to be like a big moneymaker for the municipality. But I think we also need to look at the value of housing in Anchorage where, you know, wherever it it, it whether card would whether it is to encourage whether downtown Midtown Weston Creek don't leave out Eagle River. And we need to look at the also the value of the roads and the utilities and the opposite improvements to infrastructure. I mean, I I think really what we need to be thinking about. In the long term is how do we fund more of all of that and how does the municipality help pave the way for more housing development and I'm committed to exploring that question. How can we find? You know, I think it's interesting. We we have a municipal housing fund that assembly put $500,000 and how do we grow that over time? That's my question. Thank you. Mister Chair. probably them our Johnson. Yeah, thanks just briefly. I really appreciate bigger policy discussion about housing. All reiterate what others have said, which >> This is the deal we're It probably could be approved. But thus not the place or the mechanism that we can do that at this point. And then I would say also, I do think we really should look again at short term rentals is a policy and what we do. But I think I would caution doing too much of that looking at one development because I think when we've done that on a case-by-case basis in this community, we ended up with special limitations which had huge unintended consequences. I know that's not what we're pursuing here, but I think it really illustrates that we had when we want to make a policy, we need to look consistent across different property owners. I understand the value certainly of having a development agreement and working out that deal specific to this development. So I think that is a good strategy. But as I said, we're we're further down the line. Then we would be able to make changes there. And I think, again, we should be looking as a broad policy that short-term rentals, especially in places like where there are so prevalent and also appreciate the distinction between a dark home and a short-term rental. But I think the bottom line is if you have enough money you can afford to live in girdwood. The question is how do you get people who want to live in girdwood? All right. To say if you can afford a property, you can own property in girdwood. The question is how you get folks to live in Girdwood. Thanks. Yeah. Thank you. First to question and some comments. So it >> Mention in that there was some congressionally delegated spending and perhaps father of hope expectation that that might be used to offset the cost of say improvements are in Halton Hills. As I understand it when we're talking about federal money, any time we're talking about new construction as the also improvements are. Requires a new preview. Is that correct? >> Yes, there are different levels of pay-per-view. So new construction, it's generally can require an EA or a higher level of assessment, whereas improving existing infrastructure, which is how we propose to use the funds often qualify for a categorical exclusion which is much lower level and review. >> Right. But when we're talking about new construction, for the off-site improvements to connect Holton Hill's to existing utilities, I mean, it doesn't sound like there was any plausible scenarios understand where we would expect that we could use the CBS for that. If I can answer slightly different question, which should we have anticipated that the CBS would have come a sniper requirements? And I think >> the answer is probably yes. We should have anticipated that. >> Yeah. So I think while it. It sort of seems to be implied new that that might help defray the costs of the site improvements. That was not really a realistic expectation. look, it's it's great that we're upgrading. woods, existing infrastructure, right? I mean, I think that's I'm I'm I'm happy we have the congressional billion in spending. But the 2.5 million dollars. We're spending here. Technically it's an investment in girdwood, right? But it's not much of a gift if it's not a gift that anybody wants for asking the community. You know, 2.5 million dollars. Sure it can do a lot of good at their number. If there was an opportunity to spend this 2.5 million dollars to upgrade the infrastructure 3rd inning or as opposed. To Holton Hill's, I would fully support that right? I have not heard from my community that is elected to represent me. And ask were desire for us to make this investment. Instead, it is something that is being done to the community. Very much so against there. The wish is that have been widely expressed. So I I don't know if we need to re litigate the whole conversation. That's round of the approval of the Holton Hill's. Project. But I would just push back against this assertion that this this is a major investment into Girdwood Girdwood should be grateful for that investments that I don't think that's quite fair. I want to. Point out too, that look, we all want and hope that these won't be dark homes, but Mr. Edgington play out. That is what the market is building in Girdwood. That is what? The people have the money to build are choosing to do with that land. And we're making the land available for builders to purchase and build what they believe will sell on it. There's no additional conditions are strains out of on it. Then depression that prohibition short-term rentals for some of it, right. But if people want to buy these loss to build expensive homes, that is what they will do. And that is what I think we should expect they will do based on what has been taking place under one so far. I mean, I think. Last years have shown with this very high rate development girdwood that there is essentially an unlimited appetite. For luxury second homes in Girdwood. I don't think that we're going to see she ate that demand. Anytime soon. So I think if there's hope said there will be some sort of trickle down benefits the community. I think that seems unlikely. I'll say I do think Girdwood needs investment in housing. I think sometimes the government has to step in. When the public sector isn't building something that needs to be built. Right. But that isn't what we're talking about here. This is this is luxury housing. Most be very clear. I mean, when we see the average home in Girdwood selling for $900,000 or something like that, I think you should have expectation that the average home in Holton Hill's will be selling for something like $900,000. So how do we get the housing that community needs right for the people who live and work in girdwood This is clearly not within there affordable realm. And I think that will take an investment and I hope we will make that investment somewhere down the road is body I don't see how else it happens. The market is just simply not doing it. It's a problem we see in the ball here in Anchorage, rain like not going tonight, but the disparity in Girdwood. So much more severe than what we see even here. The difference between what somebody makes living in girdwood and the cost of the housing there funny. But as the math. But I would venture to guess that that. Differentials probably double what it is. You're on the ball where it's already a problem. All right. So I would say the projects need public investment, but I don't think this is that sort of project. Want to point out, too, that the ordinance does contemplate that we may take possession of 2, lots, however, is, as I've been. As I've asked this question and I believe the answer of guns, if we wish to take possession of those 2, lots, we will pay the assessed value for those lots. wants to get up tell me I'm wrong. Look around. But I think we're in the room this morning. And so we would pay the site writes, We not just paying the cost to put those lots that will condition. We are paying. What the market would pay for those right. So you say we can acquire 2 lots that we could then use for some sort of public purpose or or to. Provide to a nonprofit for affordable housing. This relief functionally no different than if we just went on to Zillow today found to double lots and paid. What people are asking for are paying market price for those slots. So it's not any sort of discount or benefited there. I would suggest that, in fact. The stipulation Ayoze is essentially meaningless. And if we just wanted to get the best, you know, get to last for the best value we could we could take to empty, lost, pay the development cost to get them buildable and still be less than would be contemplating. If we choose to buy these lots. At market price and Holton Hill. So I would not think too much value on that condition of the ordinance. I will say to my colleagues, this is, you know, this is not. An easy question to answer that right I'll say don't think anyone convince can convince me this is a good deal. But we have made a commitment and to not follow through on that commitment carries some costs and some risks. I think these are questions that we should have more thoroughly contemplated before we approve this ordinance. But here we are today. All say for my part, I don't see the sort of transparency and this project that I would expect when we're spending public money and making a public investment. This carries with it a large. An open-ended commitment to invest a great deal potentially of public money on top of public land already been committed to make it happen. will say that if. I do hope if this body sees value and investing in luxury housing in Girdwood. That'll be just as interested in investing in housing for people who actually live and work in girdwood. All right. Because the folks in Holton Hill's going to need folks. To plow the roads are to serve their meals at restaurants or operate a ski lifts or provide for public safety education. All right. Tell me those folks, but I will tell you it is not going to be their neighbors in the Halton Hills. myself. Thank Mr. Khan said mark, come up. So I was asserted that this is a luxury housing development. >> Can you turn the microphone on? >> The way you >> new subdivision from becoming total luxury in today's world is you have what's called mixed density. Mixed density starts with the size of the lot. The cost to the lot is determined by its wit. So 50 wide lot for a 40 foot wide lot is going to take a smaller home. And lot. That is a half acre, for example. So that's how you create. That makes 10 Sunday. I'm not going to say that it's not market driven because I'm not subsidized. I'm not a non-profit corporation, but I do have a commitment. It to myself into this community to create a mixed density environment where there are a variety of options for living arrangements, whether those are smaller, single-family homes, whether their townhouse style or a row housing or stacked condominiums. That is my vision for this subdivision. And that is what we have worked to create as far as the Platt is concerned. And we have an H.O.A. that will be in place that will be able 2 control. The short-term rental and that we will comply with So we have something that. Is not recognized in other subdivisions or in entire of Girdwood girdwood basically. I guess it has only but it doesn't look like it has really, quite frankly, quick. Another question. So. >> There was a kind of picture painted that immunity could. Pick 2 lots and develop them. And then do that cheaper than this whole thing. Is it possible the pick 2, lots in the middle of the field and have a spot development happened like that. >> Well, normally if you're going to do, let's take the multifamily we have to. We designed to multi-family lots. That will take 8 units or perhaps 12 depending upon the design. And normally you put multifamily for those of you that are familiar with planning. You put multifamily on corners because the people that live there want greater accessibility, 2 transportation or whatever. So we have to multi-family lots next to the to multi-family lots. We have. We have also put a smaller lot. A 45 foot wide lot and a 50 foot wide lot. So if they wanted to have expansion, they would be capable of doing that as well. And that would fulfill the Connecticut. But it's not my responsibility. It's my responsibility to create opportunity not only for the 2, lots in that is going be purchased ultimately by Heritage Landing. But I am not a vertical builder. I am only a residential land developer. But having been in the business for 40 years, I can tell you what will sell and what sort of multi-family as possible to do. >> But really it's not feasible for developer to just calm in the middle of land and just insert a development kind of divorced from a development, right? You can't just plug into lots in middle of the land and called to because you would then bear all of the costs of the road, all the costs all of the cost of everything. If you don't subdivide those costs, not fees. All right, right. We are providing those costs, right? Yes. Okay. So next, a piece of advice. So I have mentioned to a number of times I know of a development in California where they were able to secure and you're kind of conversation about reservations, a right of first refusal for the local community. And now I know you've done some investigation on that. And there have been some constitutional challenges that have been identified. But I do have the developer who develop that property and his planner, I guess, who was able to thread the needle to achieve the ability for the folks who lived in that zip code to be the first one to have an opportunity buy that land for development for their homes. And so I think that the only answer to the conversation about our comes, there's only one answer. We can't regulate how a person uses their home, but we can regulate how people are able to buy have the first bite at the Apple, how they can get in once they're in its just nearly impossible to settled law or policy that says what you do within the walls of your home. I don't think those laws exist and I don't think they're constitutional. So I do have a phone number for you of someone who can help thread that needle a little bit. I would be happy to give that to my attorney. >> Says that that is illegal and I cannot do that. >> But again, I have literally been into the buildings where it has been done. And so I know it's different state. Different constitution may be that's the fundamental question. But ultimately, I would hope that you can figure out a way to ensure that the people of girdwood to have a very clear opportunity to get in the door because I think that's the biggest concern we're hearing. Obviously your 7 or 10, lots there, the large lots that are going to be the ones that help anchor the development by bringing in substantial revenue. aren't going to be the ones. But there are dozens of other lots within the context that can meet before you even get to the multi unit developments that hopefully some of the cooking that or other parties can come in and >> the only thing that we could do and we've had internal discussions on it is designate some lots specifically as duplex. Lots. A duplex lot. it's a town house style duplex or an honor occupied Duplex would lower. The initial cost a property. >> And such challenge Girdwood thank you responded. My time for me. I wouldn't go >> I'm finding that I have a lot of questions that are not necessarily pursuant to this action specifically. >> But that do deal with this development. Heritage Landbank disposals generally and specifically particularly some sections of that 2023, one. 37 that was attached tonight as laid on the table item is part of an am. I have a lot of questions clarifying questions about how all of this is going. 10. >> I don't believe it's necessarily appropriate for me to ask all those questions tonight. So it is possible for us to have some kind of a work session or some way that we those of us are no knew our members on the body to get up to speed on on this particular issue. I would personally really appreciate that. And I appreciate the opportunity ask questions of of Heritage Land Bank protests, perhaps the real State Department also and Mister Schumer as well. If she's willing to come. So just wanted put that out there that have a lot of questions. But I also am reluctant to belabor the point tonight when when they're not immediately germane to 2025 to 20. Thank you. Yeah, I have a few more questions so when that. >> 2.5 million when it was found out that it had strings and had to be spent for sewer systems or whatever why did replacing that money? Why did the full burden of that fall onto the municipality? >> Well, I think if I could answer directly, it is always been the municipalities responsibility under the development agreement to build the offside improvements. I think it was also always understood that the congressional directed spending would >> only be used for the water sewer improvements. There are existing. >> Water lines. There are existing water lines. This is going to pay for sewer improvements. The bulk of this item, as you'll see is actually for the road. The road is almost all of the off-site improvement costs. The sewers, only about 400 something $1000. So that was always going to need to be paid by the municipality. >> So that 2.5 million that's being spent for sewer systems. It is 400,000 of that been going 2. >> But no, the 2.5 million dollars in Congressionally directed spending will be spent on existing infrastructure in Girdwood to improve service for Goodwood residents in this whole area. And Mr. Person. You're can give you more details about that. But if you look page 2 of this, am you'll see the breakdown of the off-site improvement costs is 1.5 million for the street design. 436,000 for sewer line extension. And 23 year. 24,000 for drainage the congressionally directed spending only could has been used for the sewer improvements, which is that middle line. So can we use that 400 1000 Fort Stewart improvements here. >> And lower this 2.5 million extra that we're paying. >> If if we did that, then we could delay the project until the nepa analysis was completed and the Associated Road and drainage improvements would also then get captured in the analysis would become for federal roads. So would be a significant delay to the project because we have to do the nepa analysis before we spent the funding. >> And is the 2.5 million in congressional directed spending is that required to be spent in Girdwood. >> I'll let our a director answer them. Thank you. Threw the chair David person. it. W general manager. So the intent of that 2.5 million is to upgrade. The sewer system downstream of this development. So that includes the school and all of the I guess it's called the new girdwood townsite pretty much from. >> Just below the school all the way down to Alyeska highway. We have capacity constrictions within that area that once whole hills is fully built out, we won't have capacity in the in that section of serving between the school and Skyway. >> Okay. So it sounds like the answer is probably no. But you think it's most useful spent? band Grassley below the grant application specific for good with spent funding specific for that section sewer main downstream of the development. Okay. >> Thank you. And then I have another question. So 50% of multi-family homes. >> Are not to be short-term rentals. And I've heard that we have multi-family home. Lots. So really what are we talking about here? According to the contract, how many? Units or not going to be short-term rentals. Is it going to be like 8 units? >> County may be able to answer that question. But and be somewhat hesitant to guess about the mix, especially since phase 2, 3, are so unknown and so I think we have heard a mandate from this body to do as much multifamily as we could to bring the Costello to make it more affordable. So again, think, you know, to speculate slightly think we'd hoped there would multi-family, but it's a reasonable observation county do that. >> Well, I would I really like to encourage. >> Development of Duplex town, homes and row housing. >> I think it can be very attractive and the road design release supports that type of development. So I don't see development. I don't I know you're talking about changing height. Restrictions to 72 feet or whatever. That's not the concept that we have not anticipating anything and multifamily. That's more than 3 stories of residential. Probably similar to the FOX would condos. If you're familiar with those, those very they're 800 square feet. They have 2 bedrooms, 2 baths and they have a stall garage. There are 2 projects there in Girdwood. Now that has something very similar and they're very successful and they are the entry level. >> And if I could just jump in, I misquoted section earlier. So thankfully, the previous assembly did not make that mistake. Section says see Why Investments LLC restrict the use of single family and 50% of the multi-family properties built in Holton Hill's to prohibit short-term rentals. Thank you. That's better. The >> I guess I still have concerns that we're putting so much money into this and They hurt its land. Bank is gonna have to buy back those 2. Lots. >> We've been joined us on the phone. Maybe not Mr. Vaughan. Thank you, Mr. Yeah, this is such an interesting conversation and we are sort of getting into like, I think sort relitigating the merits of Holden Hell's. It's interesting. I think we did, sir. So much public process. Holton we had. Multiple work Sessions. know that there are members who not part of that decision-making process because you you joined us more recently, but there is a a large public record that you can go back and and look at that I think May may be helpful at one point, the assembly. We all drove down to girdwood to have a work session there. We you know, many public hearings. And I'll just say. Contrast not to get too far afield here, but when I can trust that amount, a public process with what we just had. In terms of putting a new homeless shelter in my district. When we talk about, you know, the member from south increase occurred with didn't ever want this. Well, at least we had process. We made a decision that we did. You know, ask Fairview. Or East downtown if they want another homeless shelter and we had a work session, an hour-long work session the day before we had to make that decision. Very never got a briefing downtown. Never got a briefing. Mountain View. Community Council never got a briefing. We made that decision. So in terms of who wants what I mean, central question, I think we have to ask when we get into this conversation about dark homes and the fear, a park homes is should people who don't already live in or own property in Girdwood. Have to future opportunity to do so or not. Because I remember and the public hearing. I believe was it was one of if not the first person from goodwill to testify against Holton Hill said that she owned 5 rental properties. We also heard testimony from a gentleman who suggested. We shouldn't allow any new short-term rentals, just grandfather the existing ones. More recently. Consider the update to the guard would plant. And many of those same people who said we need more workforce housing desperately. Testified in support of. Keeping more open space. A developer. In wants to build more workforce housing in that area. What I'm hearing a lot is for those who already own property. Your own dark homes in Girdwood. It's I got mine now I'm going to pull the ladder up behind me. So I just I again, I want to I want to encourage colleagues who are newer, go back and revisit the public process, revisit the specifics of the that the final substitute version, which was approved. Realizing that. When when mistress America talks extensively what she is proposing to build. There is more intense than what the underlying girdwood zoning allowed. So the fact that there's this mix of a plaque 4 plex, a single-family homes that there's going to be the H.O.A. company says, you know, we're going to limit short-term rentals. I think that this is a better pattern. Of development and good with that. We have seen. And so with that and with that, you know, that. Comprehensive amount of public process that we went through. I agree with my colleagues who have stated that we need to be good business partners. And we need to see this thing through. And so I encourage us to. To support this item. Thank you. Mister Chair. Can't Miss Kercher March. Eric, on the question. So it's not necessary. We have one minute left in this debate. If you have something to debate, all pivot Martinez with one minute. >> Mr. Martinez will take the floor, a chair and with less than a minute left essentially say. We are making the road while walking learning from every project just project actually came across multiple assemblies. And so it started before my time we voted on it during my time and I hope we can learn from it. I'm interested in targeting working families. I'm interested in formulas that use am I and potentially help and the plan a little solid in terms of making sure our public dollars go to the public needs that we want to see our investments. It's to get >> Time for this debate is expired. Member may make a motion to extend the debate if they want. Seeing and hearing none. The debate is concluded. Members say proceed to vote. Mr. Mccormick. Okay. So on a vote of 9, 2, 1, Our 2025 Dash, 2.20, has passed the body. Next. We have 2, 2 items of cause additional items there. Last times on the agenda item 15, a resolution or 2025 dash, 2, 2090, >> resolution that this possibly regarding the renewal of municipal marijuana cultivation license in 3, 0, 72, probably Most LLC dba loveliness stating some of these conditional protests, internal state of Alaska, marijuana license. Number 3, 0, 72 for the same stylish went public hearing is now open. Anyone wish to be heard on item. Anyone at all? none public hearing this item is now closed. What will the Mr? Meyers has moved as broadly as seconded. Any discussion on the matter. Seen here in an members may proceed to vote. On a vote of 10 to 0 and they are 2025. Dash to 29 past the body. next, we have final item on the agenda. 15 be AR 20, 25 Dash, 2.30, resolution extra. somebody standing. Newsom is conditional protesting state of Alaska. Marijuana cultivation license number 1, 2, 1, 2, and affection was in 24, 7, 1, for Alaska. it clear the VA, Alaska Marijuana Gardens and concentrates public hearing on this item is now open. Anyone to be heard on this item. Welcome, please. State your name. A part of 10 have 3 minutes. >> Eventually, no, I'm and for what I know, everything got herself with planning and zoning. >> We're just waiting for Elaine. To submit to talk. Okay. >> And about the wobbly also, everything got submitted on that one. I spoke with oh, my Mandy, date. And the documents were submitted to her. And everything should be herself. Also was just a misunderstanding about a document that summit. All right. >> Any further discussion anyone else wish to be heard on this item. public hearing still close with prove. probably second any discussion. Seeing on this problem. >> Yeah, thank you. I'm just very briefly for the public's benefit. Sometimes we take up what's called conditional protests and it means that there are certain things that are not been checked off. It is not the same as a substantive protest. The idea being that when those things are taking care that protest is lifted versus protest in regard to an operation or some of the issues that's been raised. So the conditional protest is not the same as a regular protests. Thank you. >> And just double on that just motion. If approved delegates to the clerk, the ability to just sign the paperwork. Ok, anyone else? none members may proceed to vote. On a vote of 10 to 0 or 2025 Dash 2.30, this past Monday brings us to audience participation. Anyone wish to be heard. Please come forward. Welcome, please. State your name apart attorney from you'll have 3 minutes. How Baxter? >> I We are My family brings people up for more. 48 and they don't see moves. Well, you got Kincaid Park and you see Muth. I ride my bicycle off their moves last couple weeks and I seen moves. every time. But the most are getting skinny. They look like they're not. Getting feet. in Yukon River up the court there's walls everywhere and oh, I don't know. 13 bear around, but I think the war was or get. I mean, most are getting skinny and I think they're getting a they're not getting the feed either. We make moves habitats where we go in there. Issue you know, and I mean, I think there but I see tourist back. They're looking for moose and I don't like to see them shot. But I think there's something need to be done to him. Thank you. >> Thank you. Wish to be heard. I catch it and Goodwood. Well, tell it as stated in part of 10 from 3 minutes. Thank Eye-catching to Goodwood I really enjoyed the discussion earlier about to looking 40, be on hold until it's too that the other needs of the community. I represent I was I'd like just to respond to a couple of things that during the most of the conversation with the developer I did midst of all in, for example, picked up a couple of comments some of the public hearings it's easy to pick comments you know, reflect one very narrow perspective and try and cost the whole community that way. I would. I would point back to a couple of years ago when we had a lot of people sort interim anchorage, most than a lot of crackers bowl actually wearing very offensive regalia wearing together, started cetera. I don't think that represents all of courage. I think that represents a very now perspective. It's easy for people. just to say that represents you. I hear uninformed, acre and pretty offensive comments even from people sitting on this today. Speaking for community, they don't represent speaking for community. They really don't have any interest in the in sort of helping. I don't think that represents again. I think that represents a very narrow apps point isn't so even on representative for that particular person, it doesn't represent everyone in assembly. I would say that the the the general discussion of what the future should like should look like including aspects of a deal dot coms. This is not a non so problem. This problem has been addressed in many, many other communities, other results and uses crusty U.S. and Canada and Europe. They're also loosens a lot of the things that I could hear him possible and not impossible. I can point to dozens of examples where these problems are being sold. So mostly it's around covenants restrictions effect. Even Alaska Municipal Handbook land use talks about how to do disposals with deed restrictions for primary residency. So this is, again, a problem that's addressed regularly within this state and across many other states. I'm happy to have a discussion and help people. So they've learned about solutions as well. Hopefully in the next few months, we might even have a proposal coming forward addresses these kinds of problems we're trying to learn from. I say we the community in general. Definitely the board of Supervisors tried to learn from the many mistakes made through the whole hills process and trying to forge a better forward. Thank you. All right. Thank you. And also wish to be heard. Welcome, please, state your part of town you're from. You'll have. 3 minutes. Roger S individual ever. I just want to follow up on the conversation today around mental health. >> And the discussion we which I really appreciate the conversation. But you know how much so many of the folks who are on the streets who were telling. You can't camp you can't do this. Other stuff have long, chronic mental health needs and that the failure of the state and the city, which has been a political failings comeback 30 years I've been involved with that and say it's just the most vulnerable among us have been the Ponce. End up falling in the political battles. And so. We have to get everybody on the same page at the same time, if really going to address homeless S up really going address on the long-term needs. individuals who quite frankly needlessly suffer. And so the conversation today took us a long ways and getting to there. And I beg you not to. That's at fault or ago. Follow keep that conversation alive. People's lives depend on Thank you. Thank you. I do not wish to be heard. >> All right. Well, good move on to member comments please State your name. A part of Tony from will have 3 minutes. Jamie anchors for the coalition for Homeless. So this might turn into a bit of a word salad and and going on under 2 hours of sleep it happens. So last year I watched Mr. Bowen this auto argue the fire merits of a essentially electric assistant to scooters bicycles, And then chief case was called up about, you know, whether or not he had a zoom or division and you could staff it and, you know, 10 miles an hour and dish on the speed limit? I think Mr. Johnson mention forced times Maskless kinetic energy and that that was the one comment was like. He's got a point. >> you got to the end of an hour and it side if this continues. 72 electric assist to my brain and the from a shock therapy to continue going. >> So anyways, all that I don't know if anybody needs to phone a friend, but, you know, we've kind of reached a point. My concerns you have a humanitarian crisis going on out there right now with hundreds, if not close to 1600 people like Alicia numbers in last. Meeting, I watched people haggle over 50 beds for people. And nobody discussing T. Plan over here by the mayor and the fact it does not address all those people outside. I literally had people this week, you know, a number of them come out to me asking for blankets because it is getting colder. And meanwhile, the police are continually to stabilizing people right now pushing people again and again and again. And they're shipping them essentially of whatever assets they have. Parks and rec picking it up. And then. People are concerned that they're not gonna have time to bed in for winter it's going end up and people either getting serious injury or death. And that the reality of the situation. If this were treated like, you know, emergency prepares gincy preparedness and disaster relief. It would be an AF because you get in there it address the issue and you move fast winter is coming and it is getting cold. And with all these people outside to need support. places to go. I think food. need shelter. Any water and 10,000 homes in 10 years. It's great. 10 years down the when some of the checks are cut or pension, somebody else problem. But you have human lives right now outside and and I not seen anything so far from anybody and how you intend to support these people and make sure that they live for another year. So I would ask again, please, please, trying to get a plan and move on it quick because I watched thing happened last year and I literally spent post test and, you know, 20 grants in the past 2 years to help people. anything for for Right now move on to member Thank you, Mr. Charity just want to say very quickly. There is a family in Eagle River right now that is mourning the loss of a loved one. >> And burned home. >> So just keep that family in your thoughts and prayers. And I also think the fire department for their heroic efforts. Thank chair. Thank Source. >> No comments. Thank you. Respond. Thank you. Mister Chair. I just want to state for the record that I am interested in helping Kirkwood, even though we don't agree myself and some of their some of the folks who live there on the future housing but I am committed to supporting Girdwood many things. And I appreciate on the various topics that we had here tonight to likely discussion with Mike. Alex, thank you. Mister Chair. about thanks to additional comments. No comments. Thank Thank no comments. Thank you, Mr. Martinez. >> Thank you, chair. I just wanted one quick comment. We may have not passed a resolution. With respect to directing the municipal attorney to look at all legal remedies. With respect to the state's failure of its state of its failed mental and behavioral health response and how it has landed on them shores of Anchorage. But in my closing statement, the state has failed us and I don't need a resolution to say that as clear as day. And I want everyone in Anchorage to recognize that when you see someone in the street having a mental health breakdown, the first reaction shouldn't be to criminalize them. But if we going to have as a reaction of policy, then I just encourage us to make sure that we hold accountable state and we don't let them off the hook with doesn't need a resolution tonight. But administration, please help the public understand we're doing the best we can in the face of a gap from the state. And that's where we need some a direct pressure. And I hope that tonight's comments and tonight's Focus continues to put that pressure on the state. And we do get the support we need to be able to address the crisis in our streets. Thank you, chair. Mr. Mccormack, no comments, No additional comments next Thanks. I'll a few comments today the administration met with the deputy secretary of Homeland Security. >> The secretary of HUD Turner, Secretary of Transportation Duffy. lot of work went on today to represent the municipality and federal and of per view. And I think everybody in the administration who has spent and flex and worked overtime to be prepared for the show that it was today. I would highlight of the visit. I did briefly attend at the port was seeing the public art on that beautiful building and also seeing the blue whales that were by the hundreds in the image today, which was very wonderful way to shore up or 2. A federal delegation, including both senators who are there are cows, cancel them. obviously everybody is paying attention about Friday. That was announced at least on CNN today. That Jaber is the location of the festivities that are coming. put a call in on my friends and all of the community. Keep your wits about you. Global event takes place in our town. And I understand everyone has the right and should feel the right to express themselves in the ways that they feel a proper. As long as it's lawful and safe. And with that said, I just think that once again encourage finds itself up boxing in a class well above its weight. Thank you to the administration for your work without I would say thank you, everybody for this robust conversation that took about 2 hours longer than I thought it would. we do this one vote at a time. Thank you, everybody with that will be adjourned. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> no >> to And 2 ♪ >> A high. will heal. >> And >> moves >> because ♪ If she he ♪ It's so. ♪