This transcript is from the **May 5, 2020, Cannon Falls City Council meeting**. Please note that the Council members listed in your context (Jeppesen, Nobach, etc.) appear to be the current 2024 officials, whereas the transcript features the 2020 Council (Bill Lundell, Morris Matson, Mary Jo Duncan, Steve Althoff, and Derek Lundell). I have identified the speakers based on the names used during the meeting and their roles. [0:26] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** take his mask off fogging my colossal okay welcome everybody I could call a May 5th meeting of the City Council for the City of Cannon Falls to order could we have a roll call please [0:40] **Sara Peer (City Clerk):** Duncan here gets me here Lundell yeah Matson here Montgomery here Altaf here [0:50] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** would you stand for the Pledge of Allegiance okay [Music] could I you've seen the agenda could have approval of the agenda how about a motion by bill and a second by Morris to approve the agenda any discussion all in favor [1:40] **Council Members:** Aye. [1:42] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** you've seen the approval of the agenda about a motion by bill and a second by Morris to approve the agenda any discussion all in favor this is Wes delays all right oops okay okay that's going gende approved okay it moves to presentations I'm gonna have Neal introduce our guest tonight from like admirers go ahead Neal [2:11] **Neal Jenson (City Administrator):** today we have Bonnie swagger how'd I do Bonnie from Abdul he could Meyer she's going to make a presentation for the 2019 audit take it over Bonnie [2:30] **Bonnie Swager (Abdo, Eick & Meyers):** Raitt's sounds good and can everyone see the presentation that I'm sharing here [2:40] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** yes [2:42] **Bonnie Swager (Abdo, Eick & Meyers):** okay so I'm gonna start by talking a little bit about the technical aspects of our audit our on an opinions and the things that we look at during the audit and then we're gonna go into the financial results and then also we're going to talk about the some peer group information that we've included in the in the audits presentation here all right so first about our opinion so we did provide a clean or an unmodified opinion consistent with what's been given in prior years and basically what that means is we were able to obtain reasonable assurance that the financial statements were free of material misstatements we did not have to make any large adjustments the information that was provided to us by the finance staff was in good order and there were no obstacles or hiccups I ran into during our audit so it was very good at it very very clean we also look at compliance with Minnesota state statutes there are a number of different areas that the city has to be in compliance with or state statutes the office of the state auditor provides us with some checklists to go through and it lays out some of the things that you have to do during the year and it's around dispersements conflicts of interests how your council minions run how you do bids things like that we do different types of tests to test the compliance and this year there were no issues that we ran into so we have no legal compliance findings to report we also review internal controls make sure the right checks and balances are in place are the processes and the policies of the city being followed when those day-to-day disbursements foresee its payroll those types of day-to-day transactions are being processed and is one area of internal control that we need to report to you and discuss and that is preparation of financial statements so this is a finding that has been in the report for a long time it's a very common finding to have for a city of this size and a lot of cities in the state and it's all around the financial statements being a part of your internal control environment but you you have us as your auditors and outside entity prepare those financial statements for you again very common but very important to understand that the financial statements are key to having a good control environment and management the city does need to approve what you are doing tonight and accept responsibility for those financial statements other than this area of internal controls we did not find anything to report it seems that the transactions the way that they're being processed or following the city's procedures and policies and there are sufficient checks and balances in place to reduce any risk of of anything there okay so now we go into the financial part of the audit and we're gonna start by talking about the general fund and I should just set this figure in us but if you have any questions please stop me as I'm going through so here is an overview of your general fund balance over the past five years and this chart looks at what did you have at the end of the year to cover your next year's budget and so it's really taking that forward look and seeing how did I end up in my reserves and how does that compare to what I need next year to cover my budget so at the end of 2019 that you had close to 70% of your general fund 2020 budget in reserves the city does have a minimum fund balance policy that suggests say 40 to 50 percent minimum fund balance kept in in the year end and so you are above that policy and you have been fairly consistent over the past five years here's a look at your budget to actual for the general fund so here you can see where did you end up compared to what you had planned for couple of larger variances to note in revenues you were over-budget there by about about three hundred thousand a really big piece of that budget variance is some reimbursement that came in for tornado damage so there were some expenses in 2018 that were now recouped in 2019 that were not budgeted for and so so a lot of that 295,000 revenue variance is from state aid for the tornado damage that came through expenditure is fairly close to budget about $6,000 variance there and then you'd have some transfers out during the year that were planned for overall your fund balance did increase about three hundred thousand here's a look at your general fund revenues by type so you can see where the largest source of your funding comes in taxes which very common for all cities largest or so you're funding there inter-governmental includes things like LGA in any other states grants that are received into the general fund here's a similar look at your expenditures by type for the general fund largest source of cost of public safety I wanted to point out on this one this other category includes things like capital outlay and any transfers that were done out of the general fund in 2018 this large spike here there was um there was some significant capital outlay costs in 2018 that's not really an annual you would not expect that to be an annual thanks that's why you have this large spike in 2018 compared to the two other years higher rates and then separate from your general fund are your capital project funds so the city has a variety of capital project funds as you know for to account for things like Street capital police fire different types of purchases that you would make that are Capitol related so it's important to understand what these that separate from the general fund they generally can't be spent in any way that the city wants the valence is for some of these funds are restricted so a portion of the funds are restricted by outside sources and then some of the funds have been committed by the council and you've said that okay we can only spend this much on certain types of projects there's another piece of these capital funds that are assigned meaning a smaller portion has just been assigned by by city management and then there's also some capital project funds that do have a negative balance right now so to point those out quickly the biggest one is this Alexander Court project and this one has a negative balance about two hundred thousand there is a plan for that to go through and look at the 2020 budget and starting in 2020 there is some tax abatement revenue that is planned to be put into that fund and I forget how many years it goes now but every year that fun is gonna get some taxpayer revenue it's gonna take care of that negative balance here are your special revenue funds so separate from your general fund and your capital project fund you have some special revenue funds and a large piece of these is restricted that would be your your cable public television program so that's all restricted and cannot be spent on things other than for this purpose and then you have a large piece of it that is committed and assigned okay and then their debt service funds so all of the debt that the city has issued for things like street projects and other non water non sewer type work is accounted for in that service fund so that's where all the debt is paid out of on an annual basis so here is a look at the outstanding bonds that the city has currently and then we included a chart of what your principal and interest payments are for the next ten years so is not all of them you do have a bond that does go out to 2039 that's when your last bond matures there but this just a look at you know what is this if we don't issue any more debt if all that we had right now is just out there for 10 years and this is what your principal and interest payments would look like so you do have some drop-off in 2023 you have some that matures there and then again after 2027 okay and then looking at the water fund so the water fund and your other enterprise types funds where you have those charges for services coming in those work a little bit differently than the general fund or those capital project funds that we looked at it can be helpful to think about the water fund in terms of how much cash do we have coming in to support our operations and so these charts focus just on your cash activity during the year so this top chart here shows operating receipts in blue and then in gray you have your operating disbursements your operating cost and then in green are your debt payments and so this really focuses you on how much cash did I have coming in from receipts my charge for services to cover my cost and then also my debt payments how much came in and then went out in cash and so fairly consistent receipts year year over year with a little bit of a slight decrease but it's been pretty close to that to that coverage for debt payments and then also operating cost and the water fund and then the bottom chart here is a look at how much cash in total do you have and then what is a1 to give you a suggested minimum target balance so what we have here this red line is all of your next year's debt service plus 6 months of your operating costs for a lot of cities that's a good kind of minimum balance to shoot for to say hey as long as I have six months of operating costs plus all of my next year's debt service payments I could withstand something happening the water fund now of course it's important to think about okay what capital projects do I have coming up and how much cash do I really need in there to cover not only operations but also future capital so right now your water fund has been increasing year over year with an increase from one point four or five to one point five million and here is the disposal fund so there's also fund a very consistent look year after year with your operating receipts just being slightly under your costs and your debt payments and then if you look at your cash balance there has been an increase over the last few years but you're not quite meeting that minimum target balance suggestion one thing I wanted to point out there like I said this minimum target focus on debt plus six months of operating cost your debt and disposal fund I believe is the PFA bond and that is gonna fall off fairly soon so that's gonna be done I think pretty quick here and then and then you what this will decrease significantly you're gonna drop off all of this green portion and then here is your ambulance fund looking at how much cash came in for the ambulance fund compared to cash that went out and so you did have a decrease in 2017 or 2018 but then there there wasn't increasing your cash balance from 2018 and 2019 and then here's a look at your stormwater fund so here's your stormwater fund year after year building a good balance and again important to think about with with this one like all the other ones not just what the minimum your minimum target is but also what do we need in here for capital in the future doing storm what our improvements can be pretty costly and it's good to think about okay what do we really need for cash to pay for those future apartments and then the deputy registrar funds so the deputy deputy registrar fund was able to go from a negative to a positive cash balance in 2019 there was some large reimbursements received from the state for some of the past operating costs and some of the extra expenses that they've incurred and so that was a big driver in that increase and then here's your recycling fund so not a ton of activity flows through they're good receipts to cover your operations there there's an overall look at your cash in them cash and investments by fund type so you're talking about all these different funds it can be helpful to think about your cash balance sometimes you're just presented with one number of total cash in the city but it's important to keep in mind that that cash really is broken out into all of these different places that may or may not be available for you to spend okay and then just quickly I want to show you some ratio information that we've pulled from the state of Minnesota so the next few slides go over some peer groups that are based on 2016 through 2018 data from the office of the state auditor we obtained all of the cities in Minnesota there are tax debt expenditure information and then compiled it into different sets of groups and so here we have class four cities which is based on size and then cities in good-few County and then the city of Cannon Falls here so here you can see what the tax rate is for your city compared to others and then the second chart here is taxes per capita looking at that compared to others now with this comparative information no two cities are exactly the same there are things going on that other cities don't have and it's just important to keep that in mind when you're looking at these it can be helpful for you know raising the question and starting to think about okay what's different compared to other cities and what could be the same so just just a little bit of food for thought but it's not apples to apples here so just bear that in mind here's the debt per capita information for the past four years and so there was that decrease from 2018-2019 because note that was issued this year and due to regular scheduled debt payments there this next chart looks at debt service expenditures as a percent of total expenditure so you can see what are we spending on our debt as an overall so it's got 17 percent of your overall expenditures for this year were related to debt and then here's a look at your current expenditures per capita so just normal operations for your governmental type funds monetary spending compared to other people and then here's capital expenditures per capita and this one fluctuates a lot and so you can see in 2018 it was much higher and then you had a good decrease there and then here's a water fund and your disposal fund debt service coverage so you can see how much do we have coming in in cash receipts to cover just our debt payments and so it's very similar the information we looked at before looking at how much are we able to pay out of our cash receipts for our debt payments and so you want to get this percentage the goal is to get it as close to 100% as you possibly can so it's a good good trend there not a lot of variance and that is my presentation so I will have to go over any questions that you might have [19:05] **Bill Lundell (Council Member):** what is the size of a class for city like what would be the small what would be the large and where ever Cannon Falls fit in there [19:15] **Bonnie Swager (Abdo, Eick & Meyers):** so a class for city is gonna be I believe it's up to let me I'm just gonna check the exact number real quick before I say it wrong range so a class for city is going to be between twenty five hundred and five thousand I believe and so you guys are right at the top of that and so it is I mean it's fraud right I mean there's a lot of cities that go into that information and one thing if you guys are interested in ever looking into this in more detail we have all of this you know we aggregated here but I have all the detail and so if you ever want to see a specific city that you know you're more comparable with I can for sure some that over if you're ever interested in looking at that [19:58] **Bill Lundell (Council Member):** mm-hmm thank you [20:00] **Morris Matson (Council Member):** yes use I got one question we've been struggling with our water and sewer rates in town here in the last couple years and up til this year we had a five percent increase in those rates now you're seeing your our water dead sewer rate are right at a hundred percent where they should be and then I was looking at the water funds and sewer funds like we're a little short of disposal what's your recommendation should recognize you should we keep freezing the rates or do we need to increase those [20:46] **Bonnie Swager (Abdo, Eick & Meyers):** it's a great thing to think about because it all depends on what your capital plans are so if if you need or you know when you're going to need to build a new infrastructure that's really gonna drive what your rates should be so if you you know if you need a new water treatment plant in five years now is the time to consider any rate increases to either one fund it without debt or pay for the debt so I think the capital need determination it comes first and then you can see what your rates need to be so if you guys send up a water rate study in the past I don't remember if that's something that you've worked on [21:40] **Neal Jenson (City Administrator):** yeah yeah [21:42] **Bonnie Swager (Abdo, Eick & Meyers):** and that's where you can see and there's there's a lot of different ways you can do a rate study it can be very complex and filled in a lot of data or you can simplify it to just look at kind of maybe one project that you might want to fund and it's a really helpful way to say okay in ten years even we're gonna need this new plant how what does our cash flow look like in the next ten years so that we can build enough enough reserves to get that and this might just be way too much information for what you want it for your question but I found really helpful is if you do a rate study and you have a projection of this is exactly what our rates seem to be so that we can do this necessary capital project if you have that documented it's something that you can show your residents and say we're being thoughtful about this and and we know exactly why we need to do a rate increase if you do so it gives it gives some support to that decision so it's something to think about [23:03] **Morris Matson (Council Member):** I got a question for you it sounds that we are gonna have to spend a lot of money over a million dollars on our water well or what do you call it water tower hours mmm they're not in the best of shape and I think they said it was over a million if I remember right isn't that John [23:25] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** yes mm-hmm [23:28] **Bonnie Swager (Abdo, Eick & Meyers):** that can be very expensive yeah yeah so building in looking at that cost and let's say you do end up needing to issue debt for that then thinking about what would those annual debt payments be and how much additional in rate so we need to cover it so there are some current debt in the water fund right here I'm not sure when that falls off but I'd be interested to see if you know maybe if you have some def all off then you might not be you might not have to take you know such a blow because then you could just fruit place it but if you need to issue more debt before anything else falls off then you might have to think about okay you know our operating receipts are just now barely covering our debt payments and our costs how are we gonna support any new debt issuance for a water tower without raising rates [24:35] **Morris Matson (Council Member):** well as far as a treatment lab goes it comes off either late this year the first of next year so then but I've been told how that treatment plant is quite a target for at least till nineteen thirty all right 20 30 oh okay so but does that mean we still have to be looking ahead because like Morris was mentioning we got the water tower problems now right [25:05] **Bonnie Swager (Abdo, Eick & Meyers):** yep exactly so there's all sorts of things that can come up and then and if you don't already have a a maintenance plan because Wells can also be fairly expensive just for repair cost so having some sort of maintenance plan as well that says these are the this is the estimated cost of let's say the things go terrible and funnier you know how much do we need to have in reserves just for the maintenance - so definitely something to think about and plan ahead for and yeah when you have that support that says this is the capital cost we need to cover these are the maintenance cost me to cover it can be easier to make that decision [25:55] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** good any other questions for Bonnie Neal okay any questions for Bonnie out there oh okay Neil you had a comment [26:19] **Neal Jenson (City Administrator):** yeah I just wanted to say that with the absence of Linnell and in the transition period audit had to be done and I just wanted to say that Michelle and Sarah really stepped up to the plate and took care of business with not ever doing that portion of the the finance before they they did a great job I just wanted to make sure you guys knew that [26:45] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** yeah kuku toes Diwali did a good job [26:50] **Bonnie Swager (Abdo, Eick & Meyers):** they really really did they were extremely helpful during the other process it was it was really great working with them [26:58] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** okay well thank you Bonnie [27:00] **Bonnie Swager (Abdo, Eick & Meyers):** alright well thank you so much for your time I sure appreciate you guys letting me come in percent and have a great rest of your night [27:05] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** thank you thank you thank you bye okay we will get to the consent agenda consent agenda my items may be adapted under one motion as presented or maybe remove for discussion and resolution as counsel business for you at home and in the audience I'll go through the consent agenda item a prove that okay before I read that take a motion to approve the presentation and approval of the audit [27:45] **Bill Lundell (Council Member):** all right well I'll move that [27:48] **Mary Jo Duncan (Council Member):** all second [27:50] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** motion by Mary Jo a second by bill to approve the audit presentation by Abdo Ike and Meyers is there any other discussion all in favor [28:05] **Council Members:** Aye. [28:06] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** opposed carried okay consent agenda items item a just incorrect claims for the accounting period ending April 30th 2020 item B minute meetings for the April 21st 2020 City Council meeting item c resolution 2478 accepting a donation of a hundred and fifty thousand from economic initiatives of Cannon Falls for the Cannonball project and item D approve the twenty twenty mill and overlay project is there anything you'd like to pull down I'm gonna pull down item a anything else could I have a motion to approve the consent agenda with the exception of item E which I'll put under counsel businesses B claims [29:15] **Mary Jo Duncan (Council Member):** I will move that move to accept the consent agenda - item a [29:20] **Derek Lundell (Council Member):** a second of that [29:22] **Steve Althoff (Council Member):** also I'll second [29:24] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** darica seconds at any discussion all in favor [29:30] **Council Members:** Aye. [29:31] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** opposed carried okay well move the council business approval of a combined farmers market location meal [30:13] **Neal Jenson (City Administrator):** in the past there's always it's my understanding since I was down here but there was always been a - farmers market projects going on out there during this time of the coulvet and and some other things that have been going on I'd like to bring a couple of things to your attention having two farmers markets create a lot of havoc with the the managers that run back and forth and when I was talking to Diane who does that the artisan Plaza farmers market is one of 12 farmers markets that are licensed by the state the one up on up downtown there is not they have trained personnel and they have a license vehicle to make deliveries if needed as she has told me there's been a lot of near misses in the in the downtown parking lot and it's really tight with the Cova da endemic going on I think we've got to be a little careful on how close we get together and and if if for fact that if something does happen we've had some issues last year if you remember there was I think someone got hurt yeah and Diane has told me that up in the cities there's been some lawsuits against the market managers and and the farmers markets so I think it's time to to bring this stuff together and get it all under one canopy and and say you know what this is where we got a goal with the city liability the covet pandemic the managers running back and forth I think I think it's time to look into that so they any comments from the guy you know [32:15] **Tim Ollie (Public/Vendor):** yeah my name is Tim Molly um I'd like to talk a little bit about the downtown location and representation of all the vendors that work there it'll be brief my name is Tim Ollie I've worked and I've been a vendor of the downtown Cannon Falls market location since 2005 my wife and I primarily sell vegetables canned products we built a clientele who have come to accustomed to our location especially the citizens of the river living center mccannon river Living Center which now houses my father Park Street Apartments which has housed my grandmother this market has mostly been advertised by word of mouth to make it a vibrant community gathering spot on Saturday mornings there is Steve and Sue Josephson who are here with us today they sell sweet corn yearly at this location adding a value to the downtown location by providing locally grown some fresh sweet corn that has not shipped from unknown destinations they've also built a clientele that comes in from 50 miles radius to Cannon Falls to purchase their deliciously locally grown sweet corn the clientele has become reliant to the area that this location that we have historically sold from as a vendor base we are very blessed to see the community stand behind our market when we've been asked to move in 2013 to the park-and-ride location and what their support we were returned economically the downtown Cannon Falls farmers market it gives unspeakable value to Cannon Falls it has been the gathering point for conference trade since 1857 the simple reason people gather there is the river and has been 463 years I have had customers stop at my table who are visiting the winery bakery family fair hardware stores zoos groj people from the bike trail Brewster's Millstreet tavern chuggers wine Art Festival and so on we have customers come down in wheelchairs from the canyon rivers of seniors son Living Center Park Street apartments post office even parents who have children participating at sporting events at the Birch John Birch Park this one-stop-shop creates a magnitude of outdoor shopping experience for customers wanting to explore the explore our small River town eliminating the downtown farmer's location would cause those repeat customers to lose great value while visiting our small tranquil town the river is a beautiful shaded backdrop that creates a festival atmosphere desperately needed by Minnesota's escaping winter hibernation the river asset draws in Cannon Falls and the market is the icing on the cake to make the experience enjoyable which will increase business activity within the community as a whole I can't stress the importance failure that the market brings to downtown Cannon Falls it is a service to elderly and numerous businesses within walking distance location location location location is the reason Cannon Falls was established with a mill so many years ago for comrades and we can't lose sight that the river today can help sustain its future my proposal is I believe we can help Cannon Falls downtown become a better community I would like to propose Jody Molly my wife to be the market manager for the current season Jody has prior management experience extensive knowledge in the food industry and is certified with the state of Minnesota for food safety we would require an application for each vendor participating to sign market rules marketing release form Minnesota tax form st 19 and other pertinent state required legal forms we would work jointly with his Chamber of Commerce to direct people to other venues and businesses within our community the market would operate from 8 a.m. to noon from the beginning of June to end of October it must be noted that planning for the coming season takes place long before March April or even May it is often in February the ideal time to notify farmers of changes is in the fall of the prior season this is because investment in seeds and advertisement must occur long before spring arrives my business our business yield farm has been planning and planning for this season for the downtown Cannon Falls based on prior seasons customer volume it would be greatly appreciated if we could review this with it with the city in the fall of 2020 proved we would invite you to come to view our newly organized market in 2020 season to see the true value this market brings to the downtown businesses within our community as we reopen from our Kennedy attic we hope you work hand in hand with the city with any and all concerns that might arise and rectify them when needed thank you for your time we also have some bullet point for handouts here if you would like [37:10] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** sure go ahead [37:13] **Rosie Schroeder (Public):** Rosie Schroeder Stanton Township we helped Paul and I and the printings we helped start the market so many years ago and then the council gave us permission to be in the city parking lot and gene Abram was the manager of the grocery store across the street and I said gene doesn't this bother you having the farmers market right across and you said no when they sell their things then they take their money and they come over here and they buy their groceries and that's the whole point you bring people into the town take advantage of our businesses thanks [38:10] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** Steve or sue you don't want to say anything okay okay comments [38:40] **Bill Lundell (Council Member):** well I guess I'll start one I see that it's not zoned or farmers market use and we would have to change zoning to the safety factor with near accidents and we also I don't see the need for two farmers markets in Cannon Falls artisan Plaza the farmers market is licensed with the Minnesota Department of Agriculture as a food aggregation business and it just makes sense to have it all in one spot I understand the arguments of being downtown but I I believe it should be just one at artisan Plaza [39:30] **Mary Jo Duncan (Council Member):** I feel this is one of those things where I kind of feel strongly both ways I used to be in the farmers market for a few years of selling my knitted stuff and it was downtown and it was fine I kind of think other than the liability issue which i think is huge I think the biggest issue we had was on really nice days when we did really well and there were tons of people downtown we were being really given the evil eye by all the people who wanted to park in the parking lot and then get on the trail it's full of bikers on Saturday morning that's the prime time for them to get out there so part of me thinks you know it's great to have it downtown it's always quote-unquote been there but we're not the same town as we were when the farmers market started either and what the city parking lot is is different than it was when the farmers market started and it used to be kind of a congregating place well now it's more like on weekends anyway we park we get on the trail we come back we do whatever we're doing downtown and we leave but we need to park there so I don't know I think the liability issues pretty big too though so I like it downtown but I also think we only need one one location so I would I would tend to agree that artisan Plaza is the place for it that's just me [41:00] **Derek Lundell (Council Member):** we also talked about last year this winter about maybe a Wednesday night downtown and a Saturday at artisan mm-hmm I don't know how that would go with I know I know sue and Sue and Steve er I mean they're probably gonna be down there with her corn from the first part of August a couple right for a couple yeah I don't know I know other towns have done evenings and they're very successful you know but [41:35] **Steve Althoff (Council Member):** well I think Bill and Mary Joel you guys had make good points but I am gonna I agree a lot I can't remember what that first guy who spoke but his name was Tommy field made a lot of sense to me I think a farmers market just has to be downtown having it on the farthest south edge of town that we can get isn't really a farmers market it's just a reason for people to go to artisan Plaza and it benefits one store we're downtown you know there's a lot of dozen plus stores at it benefits I do agree there should be one but I think the one should be downtown and I think we can make it work we've been doing it for decades as far as parking for bikers sorry you know these people that go bikes they're playing on a night in 20 30 40 miles there are plenty of spots in town they can park they don't need to be right next to the trailhead if they have to park three blocks away and bike to the trailhead I mean it's like I said they're gonna be gone thirty miles I think a few extra blocks isn't gonna kill them and we really want to have people who come to town leave for the day come back get in their car and go home take all of our prime parking spots I don't know so my I would like to have one downtown and I realized I probably won't happen but I'd like to have at least one downtown if we could [43:05] **Morris Matson (Council Member):** well my concerns I guess I I maybe downtown too but there is the liability thing of having a downtown and secondly the social distancing is gonna be with us for a long time and I think downtown is probably a bigger problem than out south because our South you get the boosts all in a circle off there you can social distance but downtown's a little different too and that's gonna be with us for years [43:40] **Derek Lundell (Council Member):** at artisan Plaza are they able to drive through the market or not or do they have to get out and walk [43:50] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** I know that you can walk okay [43:55] **Derek Lundell (Council Member):** okay they're gonna that's the same then okay but I was the one I put it on the agenda tonight bring it up because I wanted to know what you guys are thinking about it cuz we should make a decision now it should have been made like Jim said last fall probably mm-hmm well like like who said the liability is a big issue and we've been allowing it and our zoning does not allow it [44:30] **Mary Jo Duncan (Council Member):** well and at this point to me there's a question whether there's gonna be one this year anyway we might be starting from scratch again in the fall really I mean we may not be able to do this [44:45] **Steve Althoff (Council Member):** my turn go here yeah well I think it's a bunch of crap Ola we've had farmers market in downtown Cannon Falls all of a sudden now the zoning is wrong my gosh you're affecting a lot of people that maybe don't have the opportunity to drive down the artisan Puebla and are within walking distance and they only needed two alienating a lot of downtown businesses I just I just don't get it why everybody always lobbies to get it to get it moved on with the city it's always worked and I just fact that the zoning that's a ludicrous it's never been an issue before learning can be changed in very easily [45:30] **Derek Lundell (Council Member):** another thing too you know we always say we want to help downtown and you know now we're trying to take something that takes people away from downtown to the benefit of artisan Plaza I have nothing against artisan Plaza I appreciate what he's done down there but you know we're really benefiting one business rather than you know multiple businesses downtown if you mean it [46:00] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** Morris and Matt agree with Stephen Derek because like Rosie said there's small-town charm there's walkability there's the Saturday afternoon just walking downtown and seeing the hustle and bustle it's not just the tradition it's that it shows a sign of the community again I have nothing against artisan Plaza but I don't think you're gonna get the foot traffic you're gonna get car traffic that's the south edge of town that's different a heart of downtown is right there like they said right by the river that parking lot and I don't have the history that Steve does about zoning if it's been there for years that can be changed I think the character and the integrity of keeping it there that's that's the argument for keeping it there again nothing against artisan Plaza I understand the concern what's over this year but it's a big enough parking lot we can spread things out people can be there people can be safe many continue Morris what you think [47:15] **Morris Matson (Council Member):** I'm torn between the two I know the one south it's good for the only sitting State Approved they can buy the goods and use them for schools and in that but then again on the other hand downtown is this is fine I don't like I'm torn between both of them but I guess what I would like to see maybe is look at it this year maybe get some bare facts see who's you know who's down there what they're gonna do and come fall let's talk about you [48:00] **Mary Jo Duncan (Council Member):** do we have a lot of overlap like are there a lot of vendors that are in both locations [48:05] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** there's some some ok [48:10] **Mary Jo Duncan (Council Member):** I just I I remember when we went to this - location thing and I thought wow if you were a one-person operation like I always was you couldn't do it you know and then you have to come up with the fee and everything for to UM participate I don't know I mean I I can say yes the fee is good for either all the smartest so that you know that's good that's good yeah [48:50] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** well we did this last year I think we talked about it and we decided we were gonna look at a fish yeah and now we've kicked it down the road but I mean if that's what that's what you want I will go for both places I we could put it to a bowl and see what we think but [49:05] **Bill Lundell (Council Member):** may I say sir approximately how many vendors are at each location like a good Saturday I don't I've never really able to attend so I'm not sure [49:25] **Steve Althoff (Council Member):** well I think yeah I'm about five or six regulars yeah [49:30] **Neal Jenson (City Administrator):** Howard artisan I think is more like fifteen or twenty it really depends on the weather a lot sue go ahead [49:40] **Sue Josephson (Public):** yeah a couple of things I want to say actually I don't think they've got railers many more than six seven down there and we have usually six but we did lose a substantial number when they implemented the fee because we never had a hundred dollar fee in the past before so we did lose some of our vendors at least for when that happened also I just want to say we all have liability insurance all of us that's always been the case and so that the city is not responsible for if something happens with uh with the people that are into inter connecting with us and also Saturday mornings the city parking lot is not full and we have a lot of people if there are bikers they often come to the market too so and there is space because we're only there till 12 o'clock so if there's something going on I get the winery that's usually in the afternoon it's not in the morning right [50:40] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** so I'm not sure that that's a big issue somebody want to make a motion and one way or the other [50:50] **Bill Lundell (Council Member):** well I don't I think it still just should be in the one location at artists and and I know I'm gonna get shot down here but I'll make a motion that we only have it under sitting [51:10] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** second of that no I'm not gonna second he got cut off oh of course can you can you hear me now [51:25] **Bill Lundell (Council Member):** yeah okay I made a motion to go forward with just artists and Plaza as the Farmers Market location [51:35] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** okay the second of that motion dies for a lack of a second another motion [51:45] **Steve Althoff (Council Member):** motion to the farmers market and the only downtown only downtown [52:00] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** so now you're gonna only dog dog you're gonna cut out all isn't okay I can't go along with that either I can't do that I know I mentioned that I was far that earlier but [52:20] **Mary Jo Duncan (Council Member):** do we already have some grant money coming in based on having our dozen Plaza [52:30] **Neal Jenson (City Administrator):** having 200 cars on Plaza right Tom town doesn't get to have money as starter cigars and does go there right does their Minnesota approved market yeah right and we're also going to lose our the two people at the city that help out they have indicated to me anyhow that they're gonna step away if we do not have an in arson yeah they site liability the many near accidents that have happened in the downtown lot I think I think at least for this year we should not pick and choose if we're not gonna if we're not gonna allow artisan to do it alone I don't think we should just have it at the city I think that would be a lot of change so I would say I would make a motion to keep two locations for this year and then put it in articular for about October [53:25] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** well we we have a Matt had already made a ma that's right here a second I'm yeah it was your motion that be a downtown only crap there a second to that okay that motion dies for a lack of us is there any other motions [53:40] **Derek Lundell (Council Member):** I would make a motion to keep the two locations for the calendar year 2020 to do some further if anyone has the energy or a bill maybe it's going to be me to do some research into whether or not it makes sense to have two locations you know I don't think you know I'm not so concerned about the the market as a whole because if a whole market moves but if they don't see that Josephson sweetcorn sign I don't know I don't know what I'll do but I would say let's keep two locations in 2020 and then really look at it this fall and see if we want to consolidate into one [54:20] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** that's been second by Steve any other discussion on that motion [54:35] **Bill Lundell (Council Member):** Oh neela just question for you are there many cities and I'm talking about our class size cities that have multiple farmers market in town [54:45] **Neal Jenson (City Administrator):** can't answer that [54:50] **Tim Ollie (Public/Vendor):** okay can I speak up on that Northfield does they do have two markets they have a downtown and just off to the left they have tomorrow they're not our size City they're much they're four or five times our size so they so they go down like done this way so they're cycle one okay [55:05] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** there's been a motion in a second to approve the two markets all in favor [55:10] **Council Members:** Aye. [55:12] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** opposed [55:13] **Bill Lundell (Council Member):** aye [55:14] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** motion passes five to one yes that's not changing $100 fee is still in place okay on down unto consulate item B claims [55:30] **Bill Lundell (Council Member):** I just had one item I I wanted to bring down I saw it in the in the bills there and it was at the library seven hundred and fifty dollars for cleaning the windows I thought that was I don't know any any comments on that I just well I thought it was a joke [56:15] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** also what how many times a year do the cooler [56:25] **Bill Lundell (Council Member):** probably spring and fall it's right in the middle of spring I I don't know I would think twice a year is probably realistic or maybe once a year for inside and out and once a year for outside [56:40] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** I think it's one time one time of year either way and when I was wife it was at the store for 20 bucks not 750 John how many times do I have to tell you that you've got a little you got windows in the front you don't have them sorry [56:58] **Jon Radermacher (City Administrator):** well I would think it's probably inside and out that I know I know but they get all they've got windows there I know it seems like a lot but commercial window cleaners charge and we've already paid it there isn't much to say okay [57:25] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** if somebody wants to make a motion except that I [57:30] **Bill Lundell (Council Member):** well maybe I'll have another question yeah there's there's another question on this and this has to do with the payroll page that comes with our our payables here we all know with the co vid our state revenues are gonna fall significantly which means we're gonna get hit on our LGA and there may be other financial things that are gonna hurt us as a city and as I look at this payroll and I I'm going first I'll deal with the library they've been basically closed except for the curbside service and I believe you only need maybe a couple people to implement that and yet their payroll for that April nineteenth nineteen period was over twelve thousand dollars [58:20] **Mary Jo Duncan (Council Member):** that's a there's a lack of board meeting a few weeks ago where they established that it's eighty percent of their job is not could be done even if they were shut down its administrators stuff it's an office job it's not just what you see it's not just face-to-face interaction like Commerce so they've been running even though the herbicide pretty much normal and if you have questions about that I'm technical [58:45] **Bill Lundell (Council Member):** well the point another point I'm trying to get at is the I would like to see the library working in conjunction with the rest of the cities were all on the same page they seem to be fighting that left and right the other item and as I mentioned because our funds are probably going to be down for 2020 and 2021 is going back to our discussion last fall on a police budget you see their payroll for this was over 31,000 for the pay period and as it Neal is is it two pay periods a month okay got it we all know that the police department is so top-heavy in the admin side it behooves us as a city to try and cut our cost sooner rather than later and that's one area where we can save a huge amount of money and I just wanted to bring that forward otherwise I'll make a motion to approve the just incorrect claims [59:45] **Steve Althoff (Council Member):** second to that motion [59:50] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** I'll second it most of my bill in a second way million merry gildo prove the just incorrect claims all in favor [1:00:00] **Council Members:** Aye. [1:00:01] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** opposed carried okay council committee Skylar from the chamber I didn't see Jim out here okay Public Works commission from April 28th Steve [1:00:15] **Steve Althoff (Council Member):** yeah we had a pretty lengthy meeting we discussed the pool whether we're even gonna open it or not we're gonna be discussing that again Thursday at 4:30 with another of the courts meeting so hopefully we'll get something nailed down there we discussed the water uses yet the winery they obviously they have trouble with one of their softeners and we decided that it wasn't our issue it was something to do with their issue and we we directed Devon maybe talk to their insurance company or the water softener people we set up some new compost site rules I think less you're gonna be maybe posting some new signage down there if I remember right [1:01:25] **Wes Anway (Utilities Supervisor):** yeah we got a we got a bid for it was like six hundred and some dollars for new signage and we did some temporary we did a bid for a quote for a temporary signage like the stands that came at like sixteen hundred bucks but we're just gonna do a regular post for a majority of them and just for like the compost and brush and stuff like that will this will move the brush lon regular side poles for the other ones I get away from that sixteen hundred dollars but I'll burn that to the Commission next meeting or next council meeting and they'll go from there [1:02:15] **Steve Althoff (Council Member):** okay thanks Wes we discussed a millon overlay project we're going to go forward with that and correct me if I'm wrong but I think it's to call it a street and rich place written on Hofmann's well in off the street down by the fire station oh yes those are 130,000 go that far yeah alright and I you know I assumed the memo from Neil and I my personal gain I don't feel that we should include the Public Safety Building in that 130,000 that's not really a public parking spot that's more for the employees my thought is actually you know if they want to move forward that and with that they said that's why their budget and I hope as a soul I haven't personally talked to them but you know I I don't want to see something for public roads going to something for city staff to park in [1:03:40] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** you're talking about the parking lot on the west side of the building okay I just want to clarify that if that's what you guys want me to move forward with [1:03:50] **Steve Althoff (Council Member):** actually had that end but in my opinion that's more of a building maintenance issue [1:03:55] **Bill Lundell (Council Member):** yeah I think that I think that's a good point I think it is - maybe not include that in the in the bids I got a question for Steve why the delay and not doing anything on the pool I think it's pretty obvious we have to close it as much as I would like to see our kids who don't get swimming lessons and have fun during the summer and then the follow-up question will be for Wes is how much time do we actually need to get it ready for some reason the Commission does decide to open it [1:04:40] **Steve Althoff (Council Member):** decides to open it take a mod C we discussed it somewhat at length if the public works permission and correct me if I'm wrong west but you need three weeks to a month to get it up and rolling so I think we discussed Namie's still working on it like we're going to open it but maybe make it a hard decision on Thursday at the Public Works meeting correct is that is that how I understood it [1:05:25] **Wes Anway (Utilities Supervisor):** I have told I'm not gonna put any work into it so I don't want to spend the money if we don't have to on the pool but yeah it's going to be three weeks two months together open to me I do some patching some painting it filled get all the chemicals right so it's not a you know like I said it's not a turnkey operation so but if if I was directed to go forward with doing the patching and painting you getting it somewhat ready but you probably have it open a week and a half two weeks but that's your guys's decision that you want to spend the money and not open it [1:06:10] **Steve Althoff (Council Member):** and are all mad if you're going to pursue the new pool thing still or or what what we're gonna do there are we do anything wait until after public works on Thursday we'll get into more details [1:06:30] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** the decision with our discussion about eating okay I'm wondering if there's any wisdom coming down from the state as far as public swimming pools and whether you know is anything that's gonna really do a lot of this isn't it I contacted the lead in Minnesota cities and this is something we can again further discuss a public works or at the park board meeting next week but the information I got the closest a lot of cities are just playing it by ear and they're gonna wait and see what the situation as the state order might continue for all we know there you go at this juncture it's pretty much in the hands of the governor and if we wanted to prepare to open we could but if there's a stay-at-home order and as long as all those parks are still technically closed right hand open right I know yeah I know I don't I don't know how you can engage in social distance seeing a pool for the kids touching everything and bring it at home and that's a tough road to whole but the reason I asked about it this evening is that last meeting we talked about making a decision Public Works said they were gonna meet they did no decision was made I want to be fair to those who are gonna be working if the was to open their lifeguards and so on the sooner they can know so that maybe they can get other John's summer jobs or whatever and I also agree with Wes we should [1:08:15] **Steve Althoff (Council Member):** a discussion was had at the meeting [1:08:20] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** okay this is great discussion but I suggest that you bring it to the public works meeting and that's the council meeting we've already talked about these things okay okay [1:08:40] **Steve Althoff (Council Member):** so what what happens if by chance on Thursday at your meeting and let's just say it's a two to one vote to go forward with opening it we then have to have a city council meeting very soon thereafter because I think I think the vote would be to not open it well I'll be looking forward to what you decide on Thursday yeah I like to come a telling West that that really looks good down there you've cleaned that stumps in the compost and get those signs up as soon as possible keep it that way because it's really looking good down okay anything else Steve [1:09:40] **Steve Althoff (Council Member):** yeah we discussed the arc up by the hospital on Dahl Street can you enlighten me on that I can't remember what we decided Wes [1:09:55] **Wes Anway (Utilities Supervisor):** yeah I think Matt is gonna try to formulate a park board meeting here and you know we just want to do it right we don't want to be in there three or four times trying to get the part compliant with a DA or whatever so we're gonna try to get this Park planned laid out so we can say okay we want to do this part this part in this Park and not this part not this part and have a plan and say this platinum module in this part and then a year later say oh I wish we would have had a bathroom pad here I've had for a porta potti and her drinking fountain so we really kind of want to look at a layout of the park and said this plotting it in the middle of the park and then being oh we should have done this or we serve done that so I have all the dimensions for the park I'm in the plans right now I've kind of putting together some different angles and views of how the park should sit in there and we'll bring that to the park board and then we'll move it on back to the Public Works Commission I just want kind of their input on the park board to see if they have any further thoughts is that correct map that [1:11:15] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** is that I got that from our last meeting too and I contacted Ellen Hartman trying to reserve a meeting spot on Tuesday night for the park board and that would be our main topic of discussion and correct me if I'm wrong but it was mostly the aesthetics like you said if there was to be picnic tables benches because this project was greenlit last year we've got all this stuff it's just a matter of the aesthetics of like you said drinking fountain benches big table things like that [1:11:55] **Wes Anway (Utilities Supervisor):** yeah and we just kind of ran out of time last year right and okay that we needed we had everything we just need to get it put in [1:12:15] **Bill Lundell (Council Member):** Matt did you mention next Tuesday is your possible meeting in the park or night evening yes I'm trying to get that because we are trying to have another committee meeting evenings fine I can live here okay if there's a conflict of schedule Ellen will probably let me know we'll have to figure it out yeah well I did it'll probably do what time all we're going to have them we have them meeting at 4:30 now am I correct that we don't actually put the equipment in that's all done by whoever sold us the equipment is that right [1:12:45] **Wes Anway (Utilities Supervisor):** no so we might submitted dad's back in March of last year for the partial install or a full install with Minnesota or Wisconsin playgrounds with Tom in do the whole park by themselves and it was like I was like eleven thousand dollars maybe thirteen somewhere around there or we could pay him like five thousand dollars and have 15 volunteers so we have pretty much lay out the park we'd dig the holes help impor the oncreate and help set up the unit itself so it's about five thousand dollars I believe [1:13:30] **Bill Lundell (Council Member):** because if they do it it's the liability is basically on them right I don't know I thought that's what Mike said [1:13:45] **Wes Anway (Utilities Supervisor):** no I don't know and one reason we did do it last year this into Church have something running through there they had to come out and that's not the deal so yeah that ran through there and that's all been replaced that was replaced in July I believe it's all good so we're ready to go I just I don't want to revisit it every two months because all we started doing this so we shed on that I want to know it's good deal got a rat with that oh good [1:14:20] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** okay anything else Steve [1:14:25] **Steve Althoff (Council Member):** yeah we gonna replace some of the garbage cans downtown with green and gold I think was the final color was not enough green Dave hell yeah and the other thing was we discussed the Namara property up on Cedar Hills their issues on there you know something tank argument septic line run lot of rock issues up there we didn't have to make any decisions on that I guess that's it we didn't discuss the Westside debacle of the the bad dirt and the bad grass and whatever and I want to hold that till later on in my my diatribe I think that's it [1:15:15] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** okay thank you anything the library board [1:15:20] **Mary Jo Duncan (Council Member):** we didn't nothing I don't think so I think they they met last Friday if I'm not mistaken I wasn't there I got to do an outing instead but my understanding is that library director Miller Nicole is continuing to have people work from home if they can if there's work to be done and the curbside was opening up again and they just looked to further further updates from the state when they can increase their opening times and all that I do have a slight correction to make I don't think that it's up to the to the library to quote-unquote kind of toe the line and act like other city departments they really aren't they act very differently they're governed differently we are not their bosses so as much as it might be great for us to say wouldn't it be great if they would act like everyone else don't have to and then they can govern themselves to a large extent yeah we do provide them with some funding but it's not it's city of Cannon Falls Cannon Falls Township I think and goody County so I'm not but it's so it's not just us so I they're kind of like the trail board in that sense they're run by someone else so that's how that goes [1:16:45] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** okay let's go around the horn anything anybody's guy thing lor I see you're out there anything EDA [1:17:05] **Laura Qualey (Community Development):** she was what no can you hear me okay we can't no yes yes hello so like I turn my camera on I guess the only thing that I have to note is that starting tomorrow Matt and I are gonna start creating a collectively canon fall our can repose be your because you're kind of going in and out what are they oh my Wi-Fi any better Wi-Fi I guess is a better not really known is it no we're losing light yes I know every third word okay hey I could talk slower okay can you hear me now yes yes for now we can okay okay Matt and I'll try to talk quick Matt and I are going to do some interviews with our Cannon Falls businesses and put together a video to spotlight how they've been able to get through this Kovan pandemic and some of the businesses that have been closed because of mandated or some that have remained open and how they've had to change their business model so anyway I'm excited to do it and I'm happy that Matt's gonna be the man on the street doing it [1:18:40] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** very good sounds good thank you Oh who else is out there Greg [1:19:00] **Greg Anderson (City Engineer/Consultant):** Greg novice an optician Hey God nice thanks for calling on me not too much to add we talked a little bit with Neal and Wes on the mill and overlay and we'll get those quotes out and back for your first June meeting I believe [1:19:25] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** okay oh let's see who else would be out there Tim and I don't think I saw Tim I don't who's all out there now Wes [1:19:40] **Wes Anway (Utilities Supervisor):** Wes go ahead as you can see you got the sweeper back when all here is an out but the super hasn't fixed and later act we're looking at doing some work in the city parking lot to try to get them them Center Islands looking somewhat decent again they're pretty high up so we're gonna I'm gonna bring something to do some free removal on them Central Highlands to get them ash trees out of there so we can do some landscaping in there to make it back down the grade put some sidewalks and fry some garbage cans in there we're gonna move forward with the sidewalks in them it's always simple the gardens and then sidewalks [1:20:30] **Steve Althoff (Council Member):** Neil I know I talked to you a couple weeks ago about getting some budget reports in the past been nice to have the monthly budget reports on offer any closer to that see you know what we spent through the quarter or the month those would be nice to have well the few move the pool I guess that's what all I got [1:21:05] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** okay okay let's go through bill you got anything it okay I know I already touched upon a couple items I was so nothing else Mary Jill no Steve [1:21:30] **Steve Althoff (Council Member):** oh yeah I want to touch again on that West Side to project I just I feel very bad for the residents up there that they've been I know we want to try to just roll move a hand on this but I I guess I just can't see us moving ahead I just don't you know I think somebody lost some integrity I think was part art engineer and part a contractor and I think they didn't fulfill their duties to the city on doing that job up there and I don't know if there's any ramifications we can do if there's intoxicant Woodson and let's see if there is anything he can do but if you need to do a job do a right thing I just it's just it wears on me I get I get phone calls and people are frustrated and I don't think that's why we're here to make enemies I think we're supposed to try to make things right the I warned you about hoping it can of worms I start giving people rebates everybody I think got a letter from another business in town wondering what we could do for them and I don't think it's gonna stop it's gonna keep going we don't know where this is going and they reply to them saying that you know this is all new territory for us too and we're all in this together we just got to be careful be careful what we promise to people the downtown Farmers Market I think I made my point clear there I've been getting some reports on sustained and I think John didn't you say that maybe we're gonna invite blaze in to talk to it and and I understand they have trouble and it just seemed like it's us that's a shoulder shrug and well you know this happened or that happened but I think somebody's got to be better than that I think they gotta do better than that I think Neil can give us an update he talked with blaze up there I think he's got a comment on that okay I'll shut up now [1:24:00] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** Matt do you got anything yeah that's where him rather died so video bog down audios okay just a couple things John Burgess Park will be Wednesday night Linda was volunteering his time from lightest again it'll be 8:20 so military time 20 20 rifle stands about 20 minutes when sirens sound under the class of 2020 and all the spring sports all the activities that kids are missing out on we encourage people to go enjoy the lights that still maintain social distancing either walking or saving the cars but remember to stay seems to be away from people or be wearing a mask if they're gonna be out walking around the park board we are tentatively trying to meet next week again less Steve already talked about hospital playground was going to be our main point of concern last thing cannon Valley Trail I had a meeting this last week the cannon Valley Trail is doing a great job even with it closed do the construction with those three bridges between Cannon and Welch they have sold just over a thousand dollars more and passes in the same time span as they did last year and with all the online sales are able to track where they're coming from they're getting people from the Northwest Metro that are coming down here to enjoy the trail already so we can expect to this year if things are to remain the same with people getting outdoors enjoying the trails this could be a very busy year for the trail the barricades are still up they are going to have a soft opening sometime here in May they will pull those barricades and they're also constructing a couple of all toilets and that will continue the official grand opening won't be until about the second week of June at this time but the trail itself will be fully opening and operational pretty much any day sometime by mid-may it all matter when they pull the barricade but like I said construction of the pit toilets will continue they said there's still might be some brush and stuff on the trail but the bridges are up everything is in place so when the flower says in the fence is pulled down and we the stop donating people can go on and try the trail [1:26:30] **Derek Lundell (Council Member):** okay thanks man Derek you got anything yeah I also wanted to address sustain and they're older I've been hearing a couple of people that it's been getting really bad again I'm sure we can invite blaze down and he'll give the same excuses he's been doing for years I think as a city we need to just come to the realization that their business can't operate without emitting an order and then we need to decide what we want to do about that because frankly this has been going on forever it's not gonna get better so just something for us to think about that's all [1:27:10] **Morris Matson (Council Member):** Morris oh I'm fine thank you [1:27:15] **Neal Jenson (City Administrator):** hey Neal got some comments the mayor asked me to put together a spreadsheet on water usage so water and sewer usage for the months of March and April of 1920 to see what kind of if it was a decrease or increase and to all of our surprise that staff here both March of 2020 and April of 2020 there has been increase in sewer and water rates and we are all cleaning like easy so the theory that with everything shut down does not hold up at this time we'll see how it goes in the future into homes and it we looked at that also we broke it down and both the commercial industrial and the residential I've been going up at the same time so that's I think it's a surprise to everybody but that's what's going on Morris asked me to at the last meeting to find out what the highway 19 project was how that was going in and get some information as you know they held a public hearing here a while back and I did talk to the project manager and he stated that he will be this summer sometime and pending the stay at home order will be doing individual interviews or contacting individual businesses and residents to see what kind of concerns they have the bid date when I had a chat with him he he said the bid date is December of 2021 with construction starting in the summer of 2020 tool so they'll be around this summer talking to the residents along the along the highway and and if council would like to have another discussion with them please let me know and I can invite them to a council meeting the third thing that Steve brought up and Derek is sustained I did talk to Blaise last week about the order and I'm going to give you what he told they've had troubles with the blower fan where the product comes into the the system and it's been burning either the motors been burning out or shutting down and they've replaced all of that up from the breaker all the way through to the to the motor the only thing they haven't replaced is the wiring and the last email that I got was that he also put an alarm on the blower motor to alarm his employees if it shuts down they didn't have that before now whether that corrects the the issue or not now that's up to that company so we'll see how that goes but that's the information I got from blaze the third thing is we did secure grant for getting back to Matt's trail bike trail we did secured a grant last year the year before for an extension coming through Hannah's Ben park and right now the state is requiring us to do an archeological study survey which takes a considerable amount of time that grant is is due next June it did say that there would be no extensions but with the current situation that we're in right now I can't believe they wouldn't allow an extension maybe till the end of next year I think if we can't get it completed this year hopefully we can request that and and get it put in for next year so I'm soliciting a couple of bids from firms that do they do them surveys and then the next thing would be do to do is they get the plans put together and and get some construction bids out there so that's a couple updates for me [1:31:30] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** you know we've come so far on then we've got the grant we got to keep that moving forward definitely one thing I'm just gonna mention is you know listening to the governor this afternoon it's just unreal if the state can go from 1.5 billion surplus to a 2.4 deficit in two months and this is just the start I mean what's gonna happen I am I'm just afraid of our LGA money from the state is that gonna be cut I mean it was cutting 809 if we lose some of that money I mean it's gonna hurt us so that's all I got I'm gonna go now to public input citizens may speak to the issues not on the agenda before speaking please give your name and address for the record and kindly limit your comments to three minutes public comments me it must be respectful pertinent to City business and then here to the applicable data privacy rules the City Council will not take action on any issue raised by the public but may choose to schedule consideration of that item at a future agenda open the public input [1:32:55] **Babe Gorman (Public):** Babe Gorman cannonballs the Westside - I was at the public works meaning it's not just sad it's pathetic it's been before the council and the Public Works Commission at least a half a dozen times it's four years old almost it was brought up three years ago that the grass wouldn't grow and hens just put down black gravel I know it I've dug it up I was born there raised there know exactly what I'm talking about just got done digging up Don King's yard I found one rock was 8 inches in diameter 2 inches under the side now I'm diggin and and you can ask Wes he was up there I put the bucket in the ground I hit gravel within an inch that means that they laid the side on the gravel because when they bring the side and it's got black with it okay it was brought up plenty early Greg Anderson and SCH engineered it Jay Samuelson worked for seh and was supposed to be inspecting it you paid to have it inspected and it wasn't delivered the black dirt it's black gravel Mykel Tov stood before this council about a year ago along with Greg Anderson explaining about how the residents hadn't watered nobody ever talked about the spec book I did bring it up but everybody ignored me and I'm sure you'll ignore me again and that's okay because I'm not going away but the spec book is how we live and die in the construction industry the spec called for at least 4 inches of black soil black dirt and it was not there nobody ever addressed that we can argue til the cows come home but it does not require the residents to water anywhere in the spec book it does say you must have four inches of black dirt when they were also up on the west side what everybody has failed to discuss and Leroy McCusker God rest his soul would tell you they dug up half a dozen lead lines now the home I was raised in had sewer trouble in 1980 I'm a kid like 26 years old or whatever and I was told when we dug up the sewer they're going my dog guys worst was the same age as me said you've got a lead line babe I oh yes so what so we're gonna tear it all you're gonna put it in a copper one and I'm going what are you talking about you can't have a lead line this is 1980 we're digging them up in 2016 and you still aren't replaced it on when were you going to replace them you had it dug up and all I'm telling you is that you've got Robbie Robinson and Tom Bergesen and Ron Johnson all asleep at the switch here they knew it was happening and they allowed it now you hire a professional and Greg Anderson included you hire them because you don't know anything about it well I do and I know exactly what I'm talking about and he has failed you know more than we get done talking about the Westside - and what happens we're gonna talk about hiring Greg Anderson you're talking to him tonight what are you people thinking I don't get it so let's go back let's go up to the east side Jon while I was in Phoenix Arizona you approved payment of the east side project you know damn well that Greg Anderson through his infinite wisdom was on the school property by at least 30 feet we can go up there and I'll take a tape measure and I'll show you all we got to do is go there but nobody does and nobody understands it but I do and I know exactly what happened it held up the project and he was 30 feet on the east and on the south of that cul-de-sac from where he was supposed to be the school held a board meeting to discuss that and got a surveyor to come out and actually survey it and then they had to move the manholes held up the project moved it back but you and I and everyone else in town had to pay to restore the school's property which we should have never been on to begin with the library what about the library SCH hires their firm to deflect their responsibility we all know the water runs through it go up and look at the front of the building I laid those block you can see the six that I didn't lay go look see if you can find them Greg told me two years ago he was gonna fix that I'll bet there's still not sheetrock on the inside wall south wall but there's still a hole in it look behind the plants that's your new building if you go out on the north side in the wintertime you can ice-skate out there they're trying to make water run uphill when I worked on the project the first day I showed up a guy that's a common laborer said to me babe you live in this town I said yeah he goes I can't believe they're trying to get water to run uphill look at it it's on the side of it hill all the water runs off the hill back behind the building and then supposed to migrate around well it does eventually some of it comes through right what about your son John had to get somebody to fix the roof but how old was it four years at the time three years old the roof was done wrong you ask your son he will tell you the guy that repaired it no so I don't know anything about roofing if I did I'm sure I could help you with that limestone road I took you on a ride didn't I John and sandstone ridge they were both done by seh they make sure that they get them approved everybody gets their money what do you end up with a mess a lifelong problem it's time you changed engineers it's that simple he's not doing the job you hired him to do thank you for your time [1:39:45] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** okay anything anybody else public input public input third and last call public input hearing none I'll close the public input part of the meeting and you take a motion to adjourn [1:40:10] **Bill Lundell (Council Member):** so moved [1:40:15] **Derek Lundell (Council Member):** second second Erika second here [1:40:20] **Steve Althoff (Council Member):** I can shocking all psyched up [1:40:23] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** okay all in favor [1:40:25] **Council Members:** Aye. [1:40:26] **Matt Montgomery (Mayor):** opposed buried