[4:10] Mayor: Pledge allegnce to the flag of the United States of Ameri and to the rublic for which it stands. One nation und GOD, indivisle, with liberty [4:27] Mayor: an justice for all. Iant to welco everybody to the JUNE 2nd regular meeti of th Eagan City Council. It s our fir meeting ofhe month ofune. U we have a fairly, uh, substantivegenda tonight. Um, a recognitionnd a few other items I d want to point out that, um, uh, there was an it that was scheded t be on this, uh, meeting that went through the a last week. Um, Diane, w the t item. Uh, I apologize. That s okay. Yes. What s it a consent number here. A consent item x. So yeah. I m sorry. It a nsent item ex. But I just want to giveolks a hds up. [5:08] Mayor: Um, what s theitle of the project? Jill.Ineland nding. The pe Landing project is a pject that went rough the planning commission last wk. U in the time between, u the planng mmission last week a today, uh the, uh, um, uh, petitioner, um, asked for a delay, u in that to be taken up byhe council. So that is gog to be, um, rescheduled or, uh, reschuled to a time uncertainow. I that right? [5:37] Mayor: Correct. Ando, um,f you came here f that im,h, we will not be discussing that item tonight. Uh, and it will be rcheduled for a fure uncil meeting Uh. MR. Mor, it is reschuled for JULY 7th. So I case anyone is I the room. At s JULY 7th. My alogies. Diane told m this the oer day, b I, I I m toousy ese days to remembe all o it, so, uh, but if you re in here for that ite tonight,e won te talking about it tonigh Uh, we ll look forward to seeingou again on JULY 7th. Perhaps. So, uh, with that, um, Dia, a there any othe changes to thegenda that I can aiculate or y can articule betr than me? [6:10] Mayor: No,r. MAY. Okay. Uh, Council. Any change the agenda? Yes, sir. Promotion. Council member Hanson. Adopt t agenda as presented. Second. That moved and second. So any additional conversation on the agenda? Seeing none. All I favor, sayye. Aye. Opposed? Nay. That motn carries and we have an agend tonight u our fst item is, u a recognition. It s recognition of,m, Parminder Singh. [6:37] Mayor: Hofully. Uh, and Seth Blewett floated. Is that right? Exllent. Gat. Uh, and, uh, they re being recognized for the life saving award. Uh,nd, uh, Gabriel Conin with the outstanding Citizen award. So, um, I m going to go to chief, uh, Omari, and, uh, he ll ld us int this. And coratulations. And thank you allor being here.Ppreciate it. [6:59] Chief Omari: Good eveningh, MR. Mayor, council member, cy staff u thank you for allowg m to take aoment to recognize se exaordinary membe of our community. Weertainlyry and take every oortunity we can to recogni exclence in tonight as an oortunity for that. With your permissn, ster Mayor, I m going to ange the order. Um. By all means. [7:19] Chief Omari: All rig. Um, so just, you know uh, to begin, um, I s very clearo me and my sho amou of time here. A I kno to all of you, uh, that Ega is a special place. Uh, I s one of the safest, most vibrant cities inhe state o Minnesota. And that doesn happ by accident. It happens because of neighbors who look out for one another. It happens because whenomething goes wrong, pple here d t look away. They sp up. And tonight is a perfect example of tt. The cit of Eagan is blt on a fountion o service integrity, care, foresightnd teamwork. Theseren t aspirational idls. They re lived out every day by the peopleho live, [8:07] Chief Omari: work, and visithis city. The individuals weecognize nighteren t dispatched. They weren t on a call.Hey simply s a need and they acted. And in doing so, the embodi every one of those values that we so proud of. [8:25] Chief Omari: This is what an engaged community looksike. It is why public safet here in Eagan work so well, not because of whate do alone, butecause of what we accomplish together. So I d like to begin by inting, uh, Gab, uh, o Outsnding Citizen Award recipit here. [8:50] Chief Omari: Over here. Thank you. Uh Gabby Conklin was going abouter day when something caught h attention. An elderly couple at a [9:02] cryptocurrency atm.Ost people uld have kept walking, n Gabby. She spped. She watche And her itincts td r something was wrongnd e called 911.Nd Ean officer arrived withi ments andntervened befe the cole, bot in their lat 70s, uld complet a tnsaction that wouldave cost them over $100,000. Oh, because of Gabby they kept their livelihood. Ey keptheir security. A perhap most importantly, they ke their dignity.Inancial scams targeting our elderly redents are onef the most devastating crimes weespond to. The victi are often too barrassed to report it. The moneys rarely recoved and the damage goes far beyond [9:51] Chief Omari: dollart shakes people s confidenceheirndependence, and their sense of safetyn their o community. Gabby stopped that fro happening. E phone call, one moment of courage a awareness. And a family s retement. Tir life s work w protected. That is foright. That I integry. Tt is wha it mes toerve your neibor. [10:17] Chief Omari: Gabby, it is myonor to present y wh the Outstanding Citiz Award. So that is for you. Thank you. And I little. No. S [10:35] Chief Omari: coratulations. D next, I d lik to invite Pari Singh and Seth Florido. You guy can joi me her. You know, um, when someo chooses to work for this city, ey re making a stateme. [10:51] Chief Omari: They re sayinghat servi this community matrs to them. That is worth showing up for every day, in every capacity. Pari Singh and Seth Fly me that choice. A o NOVEMBER 5thf last year, tha cice literay mea everything. A communityember was playing pickleball.Ickleball at the gan Community Cter when he suffered a cardiac event. He went unconscious had n pulse. He wasn t breathing, a membersn the courttarted cryi forelp. Perry, an employeet the community center, was in the worutrea with anotherommunity member [11:37] Chief Omari: when theyeard tho cries. Withou hesation, they reonded and began c. Round after roundhen it became clea that a aed was needed, Perr left to retriev it. And that is wn Seth, also a community center eloyee, stped in to help wit compressio. They attached the aed,elivered a shock and contued cpr unt the victim beganreathing on his own and reined a pse. Whe pole arved, all the work w done. [12:08] Chief Omari: They had already done. It. The community member was already shong signs of recovery. He wasransported to a local hospital and he survived. It s not oftenhat we hr stories endike that That is care in its pest form. That is teamwork. Under theost impossible pressure. Each person doing exactly what was needed, exactlyhen it was needed. And it is aestament what happensheneople who arealled upon to serve. Show upully, not just for the job, t for the people around. [12:47] Chief Omari: Them. Bay. Seth, o behalf of the Eagan Polic Department in this counity, its my honor to prento you our Life Saving [13:21] Chief Omari: Award. I just I also want to acknowledge there was a third invidual who was a part of thisife savin efforho wasn t ableo attend and will be recognized private. The contribution was equally selfless and equally valued. And just in closing, Gabby Perry and Seth,lease know that wha you d matters not justn moments, I the moments it hpened,utar beyon em. You cnged lives. And you remd all of us in this room and across thisity what we here for at the Eagan Police Dartment. Our msion to serve with honor,rotect with courage, and lead wh exllence. You don t wear a uniform, but you lived our [14:06] Chief Omari: mission. You inspi us to live to the value thi community presents. Thank you. MR. Mayor, members o Council, for alwing us some time to recognize excellence again. [14:22] Mayor: If we can. Chf, thank y for coming in night. I ll I let you changerder any time you want to. Uh, as long as you present thatind of content. Uh, it doesn take a difference. But also jus want to take it. I do t thi I can say it any beer than the chi, which, um, many people up here wl probab be surpris by. Um, cause it s rare tt I m lef speechss. Um, but, Gabby, uh, thanks so mh. Um, wha a just a kind thing. Um. [14:47] Mayor: And. Yeah. Ey were. So impactful thoug Uh,nd Perry and Seth, um, I, you know, uh, the commitment of our city of Eagan eloyees, uh, I, is, uh, astnds me. Ever time. [15:05] Mayor: And, uh, and I appreciat so ch you re bng here. A yourction tha day. Um, I I I m astounded by it.M, I also am not surised, uh, you re represtative ofn entire ty staff, my o which have ined us in theoom tonight. [15:23] Mayor: Um, and uh, and,h, hopefully uld have done t same. Um, but you werehere and y did, uh, wt was nded to beone. An for that, Ippreciate it. D,h, and, uh, you honor, uh, Ean empyeesnd the community. Uh, b your actions. So thank you so mh. I appreciate youoming in. Um, any oth comments? [15:41] Mayor: Thank you. All right. Uh, withhat, thanks so much, guys. Um, w re going toove on tohe consent agenda. I m going to drag m feet a lite bit I case people want to get out ofhe room. Uh, while they do that. Um,ut, um, uh, while I do that, because they re being souiet. Uh, are tre any memrs of the public? They re he on an item that pears in t consent agenda, and the want t see thattem pulled foreparate aion, or had a questio on. [16:04] Mayor: It. Seei none, I ll comeack to e council couel. Same questi. Fo a motion. Councilmemb bacon. Uh, move to approve the balance of the connt agenda. Second at is movnd secded. Uh, any further discussionn the const agenda? Seeingone. L in favor signify byaying ay Aye. And opposed? Nay. That motion carries, and we ve adopted the consent. Agenda. [16:26] Mayor: Um, with that, ll move to item five on our agenda toght. It s t 2025 Annual Comphensive Financial Report. Uh and I will go to, uh,iss Miller to get us srted out And then there ll be a presentation here. I m going to apologize indvance. I might leave theoom for a minute or two. Uh, during the prentation. Um, I ll leave the presentation in the ae hands o uh, uh, Councilmember Fields. Uh, a, uh, hopefly peop won t put her through e paces toouch. Uh, MISS Miller. Thank you, m Mayor. Members of the council at t annual financial report for yea endi DECEMBER 31st, 2025 has been completed and audited by the city s auditor, Redpath and coany. Redpath has expreed a cle opini of t [17:11] Rebecca Peterson: financia statements, which means that alean opinion is the highest level of assurance offered. So Rebeccaeterson is re this evening from Redpa. We ll mak a presentation to Council financeirector. Feldman I alsovailable for any queions t councilay ha. And at this point, ll turnt over to you Rebecca. Eat. Thank youor having me herehis evening. Uh, you know as I ve mtioned in the past, we workeally cloly with your fabulous finance staff, but w really do work for you as governanc s as I m talking, if you hav any estions, pase fee free to stop your interrupting me as I go. Before we g started talking aut 2025 information I justant to cl out that the city s 2024 financial statents wereubmitted to th government Fancefficers Associatio for an achievement and eellencen financial reportg. Your 2024 statements receiv that award. W [17:58] Rebecca Peterson: anticite the 25tatements will receive it as wl for 2025. There wer four reports that wessued in conjunction with t audit. In past years. There been a fifth report that we ve issued, and tt is the singl audit report on federal comiance. There I a ceain threshold of federal dolls that the city needs to expend in order to require tha aut the teshold increase thisast year to $1 milon. And it didn t quite hit tha threshol So youid not require single audit thi year. The firsteport tt we sued in conjuncti withhe audit is a opinion on the financial statements. And that rely is the pmary purse our audit is to opine on t fair presentation of the financl stements, not saying everythg s exactly righ to the dolr, just that your financi statentsre [18:45] Rebecca Peterson: an accate rresentation of 2025. And as Diane indicated, we issued a clean, unmodifie opinio this year, which I the highest lev of assuran we re abl to provide.Nd it rely is the rest youould [18:59] Rebecca Peterson: want. The secd repor tha we issu in conjunction with the aut is a report on internal controls As part o our audit we don t audit the city s internalontrols, but w gain an understandif the presses and procedurehat aren place. And I anything came to our attenonhere we had concerns or w thought something w not functioning designed, thatubjected the city to risk from a control perspective, we would identify it in this rort. The results this yr areo instances of internal ctrol findings reported, which is the rest yo would hope f. The third report tha we issue I conjunctio withhe audit I a report on Mnesota legal compliance. I d like toemind folks thate are accntants, no attorneys. So w re looking at this from an accounting perspecte. But t officef [19:45] Rebecca Peterson: thetate Auditor has a series of requirementhat they lik uso look atn conjuncti with the ait. And so we tes those during the course of the audit. Theesultshis years that thereere no instances of noncompliance repted, whi agai is the resultou would pe for.O good ns all around in the audit this yea the fourth report that wessue conjunction with the audit is a commucation to those chard with governanc It s a letter from us as the aitors to us governance, um, wit some standard communications. I ve called out kind of the k points I that lter right here, um, because it really is ll of a lot o templated information. The first item is accounting policie ud or changed? If there were any accounng policies tha changed ding theear, we would be required to communicate that t you. Um, the secondtem I have called [20:32] Rebecca Peterson: out I estates in t financial statement Um, jus a remder that some of the numbers inhe financial statents areinite. Known amounts and other itemsre estimate and that s perfectly ceptable. It just sometng yo should be aware of. The first sigficant estimate i have bulleted here is the other postmployment benefits asset. [20:53] Rebecca Peterson: There is a cost to theity for having retirees a the benefits associated with them, andhe city has a trust set asid um, restricted for the payment of those benefits. And so the value ofhat trust is actuarial detmined. And s that shy it s consided an estimate. But that dollar amount is set aside for tse restried benits.He second counting estime in the financl statemes relates to projects that the city does in njunctionith the couy. [21:23] Rebecca Peterson: The county will build the city for the ct of shared project costs, and that s not the amount of tt. Filling isot alwa known at the timef aut. So the city nee to work with the couy to estimate what those dollar amounts might be. And they can be some prey significantigh mbers. So just know that ther s an estimate there. Then self-insurance. The city maintains them assurance insurance, which again is an estimate bas on risk of loss. [21:47] Rebecca Peterson: And then final the net pension liality.Nd thi is onee ve talkedbout in the past. Cit staff participate in the state pension plan and the plan on an annual basis, has an tuarial study t determine what theiret pension liility is. And then tt s vvied up t all partipating ployers I the plan for 25. Egan s share of thatiability about $18 mlion. Weave itlagged as a significant estimate, because you can see over the coursef the past couple o years, the liability has varie wildlyrom 61 million a couple of years ago to8illionhis year. Um, d that really is just a number that the actuary determes. The city is not going to have to pay o it. But forour regular payroll contribuons, the were no correcte or uncorrected misstatements this year that [22:33] Rebecca Peterson: impacted the our opion on the on t financial statements. We d no dficulties performg the audit and noisagreements wi management over the course of the audit. And then if there was anything elsehat we thought was impornt for you to know that didn fit in any our otheruckets,e would be communicating it in this letter. Nothing to report this ar. So, um, and then the rule of audit no news is good news, right? Um, nex u I justave someigh level summary finaial infortion.Irst up is a summary o governmental funds. A a reminde the cy s two fund types. The governmental funds are those funds that require grantsr operty tes, those typ of revenues in order to support thselves. You c see a summaryf activity this year. I ll jus callut two ims e general fund.M, if you [23:19] Rebecca Peterson: look two columns overrom the right, you canee there was a signicant increase in fund balance this yea that s really related to some sigficant building permit revenue and so cost savings and saly acro deptments. And at t very bottoapital pject funds, you ll s that there was a signifint increase in fund balance this year as well. That reallyas t primary causes. The first one isif collections pingown some deficit fund balance. Ando even thoh you see an increas there, um, it really is just paying dow previous costs. And then thereas some deb issued for project tt hasn t been lly expended yet. So those doars are reay are [23:59] Rebecca Peterson: allocated to project. Next up I have alide on the general fund reserves. T city has polio maintain general fund reserv in the rge of 45 to 50% of the next year s general nd expenditure budget. To make sure tha you have sufficient coverage for next year s spending.N recent years,ou ve been slightly abe that level, um, which I probab okay because we ve had rising costs in recent years. And so you need toave suicient covere to anticipate those.F you look this year, your coverage level is about 46% of unassigneund balance, which is rht within your polic And then Iave call out on top ofhat an amount cald assigd fund balance.Nytime your fund balanc level starts to get a little bit high, you want to look at appropriateses of [24:48] Rebecca Peterson: that. And we always recommend that if you he excess fund balance to spend down, that you priorize one tim useou n t want to take existing fund balance and spend it on a recurring cost, becau the source of tho funds I only that one yr. Um,nd so financeas looked at that a idenfied a certain dollar amount tha they ve assigd for specifi items thatre one time use, um, to make se that there s, you know, targed spendi of that fd balce. So that money set asideor [25:19] Rebecca Peterson: appropate porities. A as reminder why having those reserves is so important, um, the city gets I propert tax paymts from t county twice a year. And that is really one of the priry funding sources of the general fundnd some of your other funds. You can s the iact on the cash balan when you sta at the begning of the year.Our cash balance gets spent down uilune. Um, then you get another prorty tax payme a you cash balanceises a then spend wn over the crse of the year. And if you didn have those reserve in your general fund you would risk speing your cash balance down to a level that y might not be ab to meet your nee or cover an emergency.O that s why one of the reasons why those reserve are so important. Next up, Iave som trend infoation on theity s business type fun. A a reminder, the biness type [26:06] Rebecca Peterson: funds a thoseunds thatre intend to be self-pporting so that over te theyover their ownosts. U first up the Public Utilities Fd. E bar that you see there I the expenditus ofhe fund. The dark portion is all of your operating expenses. But for depreciati and dreciation, is that lighter expen on top? [26:30] Rebecca Peterson: The line is operating revenue in the fun And within these funds youant yr operating revenue to cover your orating expenses. That s really important. But youlso nee a gap tooverapital, especily in t public utilities fund. Infrastcture is extreme expenve. And so u need to have sufficient ca flow a reserves building to cover the cost of frastructure. And you can see he that yourperating revenues aren t quite covering your depreation. Um, an o inastructure is alwaysess exnsivehan new infrastructure. Um, so that s something to be aware of and watch. You wanto make sure you re buiing sufficient reserv there. Next up I have the Civic Arena fund.M, I would say by andarge, recreational facilies are ve hard to support [27:16] Rebecca Peterson: themselv. And so if you lk here you llee that the Civ Arenaperating revenue is covering operang costs. But for depreciationnd reallyor the cits Iork with, thats abt as goods you can hope for. Theact thatou re coring yourperating expenses is really good news. Um it s reall common toeed trsfersn our grants, fundg to cover capital expees. Um,rena funds.O overall, um, the fund looks as I would hope for, forou. Next is the Aquatic Facilitie Fund. And you ll recal I jt sa that it s very hard for recreational facities to pport themselves. And so the aquatic filities is dng great. You can see that your operating revenue is more than covering you operating expens, includi [28:02] Rebecca Peterson: depreciation Um, in post Covi thereere some operational changes that really lped suprthe longerm viility of the fd. S that revenue I comingn at an appropriate level. And then xt I havehe community nter fund. This fund has historicly struggled to support ielf. And so you can see I he two lines there. The bottom line bei your operatin revenue and the top line being yourperating revenue pluransfers. The s historically been some transfers into this fund to lp sustain operations and capital needs. So you c see with those transfers y re coveng your operati cts exceptorepreciation. And finally I jus want to call out the city healthy bond rating with your 2025 dt issuances. [28:48] Rebecca Peterson: Here again, you received a triple a rating, whi I real a nod to the finanal management of theity. Something t be proud of. So at s all I he pre-prepared for you, but happy to answer question if youave any. Council questions ofiss Peteon or staff. Iad a uple, but cing bk, I ll let you go first It s theond rating for the [29:11] Mayor: federal governmen right now. At is aood question. Depends what rating agency you ok at. But, u a+ is usually the onee disclose. In triple a is betr than that. Yes. Ok. Thank No probl. He s aawyer. He dsn t ask a qstion. At s right. [29:28] Mayor: Um, u I had, uh, jus two quick questions Um, and mbe, um, on the gener fun resee, the, the, um, the policy is 4 to 50, 45 to 50% Am Is h thatoved around a lite bit because fee like a one point we moved it downo 4 to 45%, but maybe we moved it back up again. [29:50] Finance Director Feldman: Yeah. MR. Mayornd Council, um, we d recently me that 40. Um, that s the low end to 45 to 50%. That she high end. So so that chae was made this yr I think in 25. We haven tone below tha ceiling. [30:06] Mayor: Uh, from policy standpoint. Yeah. No. Oka Okay. Tt s fine. U you realize. Actually, yes, w have 45% was the ceing. That s. Oh, it was okay. Ah. Thank you. Yeah. So we moved it up then. Yeah. Um, wi say that, uh, on the observatio on the general fund ere you he the assned, um,hat takes all the f out. [30:27] Mayor: Josh. Because usuly that number is reall big, and we star dreaming abo,ou know, ho can we use that to get it down to the5%? But you ve already don the thinking for us. So, um. Mr.Ayor and Cncil, that my job. Okay, I llo that. So m happyo help with that. Bu yeah, more cversation on those wl occur though. [30:44] Mayor: Yeah. Uh,nd, MR. Person, i appreciate theuggestions. Um, specifically on the pubc works,n the public utilities and infrastructur costs. And if I m not mistaken, um,h, last time w were in he, I belie it was durin public workseek, maybe a workshop, and toome extent, Josh, I think we ve already made se chges to t to address those concerns about, uh, about depreciation a, uh,he high cost of adjusting, ishat righ Yeah. MR. Mayor, Council, um, Public Works Dirtor Mathi and I, you kw, presented at the last workshop, uh, ding Public works week. Um, that s an exciting time.M, but uh, we presented that there s a need to incree ulity rates, and thi illustrates o of [31:31] Finance Director Feldman: the. W that one ofhe reasons why? Becau of tse goingnfrastructure cts and depreciation expenses. Jus a it a historic numr as, , aseterson shared. But it s als an indicat of wt we nd to start lookingt, to It s just one of many. And so we re forecasting o in our catal improvement plans and our asset management that we need t replace some assets. And that s going to com at a cost. [31:57] Mayor: Okay great I apprecie you recommendaon. It s timely because we re alreadycting on it before you actually deliver it. S that s aweso. I always appreciate, uh, cating nance doing something right. So. Uh, I ll leave it at that. A anydditional questions of either one? Um, thas for coming in, I appreate it. [32:13] Rebecca Peterson: Thanks foraving me. Good evening. You need aotion Uh, yes. Do? Yep. Yeah I do. Um, for a motion to recve and accept the 2025 Annual Comprehensiv Financialeport. Seco. That s med a seconded. Any additional conversation? Um, I actually,efore I do, m uh, thanks for the, uh, comprehense finanal report. And, uh, congratulions onow many yrs running now being recognized with the uh, the gac letter. [32:44] Mayor: I think over 30. Over 30 years That comnt offhand, buteah. Que a bit. Cgratulations on that. Would t want to pas it. Out, I would. And MR. MAY, I woul actually say the Triple-a bondating is somethieally hanger at on, probabl more so. Yes, indeed. Indeed. Third point. Um, motion is made and seconded. All inavor signi sang a and opposed nay. A that motio carries.H, a we ve adopted the comprehensive financial rort. Um, with that, weave no plic hearings tonight no old business. Ande have t items of new business, uh, which I ll turn t right n. Uh,he firs item, item a,s an interim u permit. It s for, uh, Vikgs Lakes. It s an iup. [33:24] Mayor: Um, I 2026or Steve Poppen. I saw Steve Little earlier I ink, um, and this is an interimse permit to all mpary overflow parking upon ou lot At Vikings legs and an outlet a and lot two block one of the Vikings lakes third edition. If you re followi at me, I m sur you knowxactly what I m talng about. Uh, I ll turn it over to MISS Miller to get us started. [33:46] Diane Miller: Thank you, m Mayor. Members of the council, uh, the cy uncil did ogilly approve an interim useermitrup for the subct pperty in JUNE of 2018 to allow for a temparyverflow parking, which also includes the aa south of Vikinarkway. Vikings Parkway. Sce the origal iup approl forhe temporary parking,ity Council haspproved mule extensions f various areas thin Vikin Lakes The applicant is seeking approval of ahree year extension until JUNE 30th o 2027. The Plaing Commission held publi hearg on MAY 26t and did recoend unanimopprol, so I willurn it overo City Planner Sultz forddional formion. Thk you, MISS Mle Uh, mayor Cncil, uh, hopefully the map on the screen provide maybe the audnce a bter, uh, psptive ofhere these locations I know legal descriptions certainly can be a [34:33] City Planner Schultz: litt confusing, but onhe screenre the thr locations, uh,utned aiking lakes, lot, a Ving Lakes third edition, and aot twolo on Viking Lakes, uh, 33rd edition. Uhe three areas coined, uh, in aggregate, uh, e appromately 49 acres.H, d thehree arelso provide aroxitely 20, uh, overflow parking stalls for, , events that are held at tco Stadium andr Viking Lakes. , sos part of the ckgrnd, uh, of t pperty d most o you a probly well familia with ts, but r the audnce, uh, the site was approd in JUNE of 2016. Theing Lakes preliminary plan devopment calle for the delopmentr revelment, uh, inclung a m of lan [35:20] City Planner Schultz: uses invving offe, hel, tail, service multiamily resintial and indr and tdoor recreation. Uh,hat in Cities Orthopedic mical officeuilding,h, the sports medicine centeruilding, the Viking Lakes Innovatn Center, and assocted parking structe curntly prode shared parking for large spector ents. Uh, a the facity.Et me go bk to at. Uh, thenvironmeal review thatas pt of the king Lakesroject, pvided a traic stu that assumed thereould be times when actities a Viking Lak woul require overflow parking andt, if neces, offsite cations would be utilized. I permanen constructed par areas were sufficient to park the event. Uh, in 28, [36:05] City Planner Schultz: event tral Demd Management Plan, or etd, emp uh w apted thancluded an asssment of parkingeeds f various ents. U the apicant has previouy submitted a sers of inter e permits forikingakes campus f theroposa for the puoseo accmodate overflo parkg for speal events. A develoentas progressed througut the cams, t plicant has submied new Ps t illusate and exten theequestorverflow parking. Uh. Included withhe staffeport is hisry of the iep as requeednd appred whinhe Ving kes campu Uh, tequest essentlly consolites, u, p reqsts, twofhich are expiri in Je of this yea Uh, and the third tha s [36:54] City Planner Schultz: exping, u in Junef 2027. Basicly comning those three uer one urella, u iup urella. So, uh, at t expiration of the iep, the apicanthould obtain a gringermit from the cit and rtore a hd sfaces, uh, baco tur in aanner acptable t the cit engine. U with the ception of any areas bng acvely developed fts ultite u. Uh, allhree of the sit hav bee previsly aded and improve as part of the previsly approd iup permits, and just g t tha te plan. Uh,ity Council has eviously appved these of ass fe gravel, uh, for eac of the ses as a temrary surfe materl, and t trances t those orflow parkin aasave bn constrtedith bituminous [37:42] City Planner Schultz: drivew. Uh, a recomnded by by engineeng, uh, with a few exceptio, theemporary gravel areasaveperated as intend, witho major isss. Uh, theemporaryarkingreas we previousl construed, and n physil changes are oposedith this I. Uh, so with tt, u atated by Missiller, uh,astonth, e apc, uid recomnd apoval on severo vot And wit that, I do see Misr Po andyself and MISTER Slavin I the audnce for any questions from couil. [38:13] Mayor: Ll the applica alicant [38:22] Applicant: likeo add to that? Misterayor?Ouncil. Uh, thank you for consideng our applicatn. I likeo tnk, uh, MR. Schultz a histaff fo forreparing the rept at we d. I youuys d t mi, wouldouuys b okay if Iave y aittle b of wh s hapned since we arted? St as we. [38:44] Applicant: Do this? Uh,sou a you reonsideri this, this applicion. So, you know, just addressing this to to d the renewal and consodate the Ps,ou know, just provide ief uate on what w ve done as we, uh, do the proess a Viki Lesrom a develment standpnt, sce, uh, commencing development in 26. We ve cpletedajor, major projects lik our 4cre Tn Cies Orthodics Perfoance Center, pluCOtadium, which is the he o the Minneso Vings. We ve completed the 320 room, full service Omni Hote onhe norwest ption ofhef the se, ande ve we ve cpleted three commercial offic andedical ofce buildgs, uh, a Viking Las as well. W ve we [39:31] Applicant: ve been ab to ghrough and complet e first two phases of resintial delopment, which includ 4 resentialnits. Th alsncludes a ste of the a cbnd fitness cent, plu a 10,00 square foot rail space From leasin stapoint. Viking Lakesas proven to be vy attracti, bh fm coercialnd ridential tena stapoint. Majorh anchorsrom a commercl standpoint are Tn Cities orthopedics.Hey reay he the lations on our campus. [40:06] Applicant: We have the, uh, surge center as well as the, uh, clinic and urgt car Um,e cl it e mlb building.Hey also have the ete, uh, trainin use facity tt I a rformance fility for the That s aifferentodel tt they are workingn.Nd lookg actuallyrying to takehat nional, tt conct.Hey ao have a biomedical uh, facility inur innovaon cter, which the use to to researchnd train eir physiciansn things. It s prett cool. Ty veot botics in there andtuff. So it uh, reall unique wt they re doi outhere. We also have, uh,lifton Larsen len that has they selted Viking Lakess a site for their cla Uh,lifton Larsen [40:52] Applicant: Allen is clay for the Cla Coection Cter, whi is a 400eroquareoot national training a engagent spa for Cla s employees,s wl as thelients.Ou gs are famili wit tha space cause t state of theity dress wasas,h, was at at space,hichas great. [41:10] Applicant: Betifulpace. I s a betiful space.Ndne o the thin that s reay cl they bringbout, and this is pple coming into the Twi Cities becaus it one of their regial and nationa trainin facilities, but theyavebout 125eople coming I every week th are outhere. I think 46 the 52 weeks, uh, that they have peoe there in addion to that, a Vikin Lakes, w have the United State Tnis Assoation, Northernivision, ich isased in o innovation centes wel a Salvosalvos. Ccer. [41:43] Applicant: An a w speak, um, wre finalinggreementith major Eag emplor to lea the last 6000ft tha we have avlablet Ving Les, ich, uh, we suld he wrappe up herehortly.O we re excit about that. We al made great progrsn our tail buildine have Valerie Mae, which is a buty salon wchpenedn the fall of 2024. It s it s busll t me. Um, we re also we are ve excited a few weeks ago to announce the openg of coppe d rye. Um, which is areat elevated restaant expience. Uh, ty have gat dinin room asell as,h, odoor patio. If you haven bn there, it orthoing. It s outstandgood, and I great aosphere. S w re [42:32] Applicant: excited authat. And with, uh,he rent success that we ve had in aracting our tents o there, we actual in t process o trying t negiate the very la, uh, spacehate have r retail space out there, and we hop toave tt compled by the end of t summer. Fm an event standint, which is probably one of the things we most proud of ishe public aivation engagent that we ve bee able to achve out at Viking Lakes in 2025. We hosted aroximately 250,0 ople, uh, at Vikg Les in 2026.Tooks t be even bigger.E are loong up to abou 350,000 people that will be hosti at Viking Lakes. [43:14] Applicant: With allhe events. Among the events that w re hosting in 2026. Obvious, Minsota Vikingsootball traing camp, uh the Minnesotaurora, if yo haven t been to the Minnesota Aura game, we Twin Cities, uh,rthopedi Staum serves as their home field And uh,o it s areat, great environment. W re hosting women slite rugby t Ethiopiaports Fedation of Nort America socce tournamt coming up I aew wks. We re hosting, thi, ten colge and hig school footbal games thisall. We hav the summer andinter solstic tte that we suppo. We have ltiple chaty runs and was. Uh, as a examp, we sted to date. I kw w ve hosted the San g Coleman Walk for t cure, re for the [44:01] Applicant: cure as well ashe td one ty one diabec. Uh, um, walk few weeksgo, which w great. I parcipated in tha one. I hav a I hav a nephew who has te one dbetic diabet. We re hopg we re hosting t Preer Lacsse League as well, as it been intesting wit the Unirsity Minnesota kd of shuttg down tir high sool gradtions. We re actuay hostin a nber of high schl and college graduatns at tco Stadiu so w rexcited aut th, plu many other events andorporate meetis that we have on thehis high level of even pgramming requis overfl parking when attendance levelsxceedshe pacity ofur parng ram an parking lots borderi the ma entrae at Viking Circle. [44:45] Applicant: Accordg. We a respectfull requesting consolidaon and newal of t two Is. Uh, to us for a total of thr developed parcels, uh, for event pking. I won t go throught, but I was t northwest, the northea and th southot that w h therhe theorthwest and the ntheastnes were the ones from 23 tha expir this yr. Tho areritical fo trainin camp fors. So very very imptant for tse o.Nd then the 2 iup, wch ishe south o sth ofhe hotel, thatne aually don txpire unt ntear. [45:23] Applicant: But I tnk athe request, a i thi our ruest, but thk was your idea,ut we re fully supporte of nsolidatg all thr of them togeer for for conveence. ,he lshat a of these lots thatave bn pviously used for parng eves, they re already a gded. The allavelassive gral. Um, wenderstan theityill ntinue to monor tse, inspect the uh, the lotsor any issueshat we would addrs. A constentith prior practice, we are reesting tt the considated iep be issued for ahree yearerms development continues The Viking Lakampus wl continueo createdditional evt parking in somereas, but wlso have to reduc parkg. Uh, eventarkingnd otherreas of the campus. As a [46:11] Applicant: resu, wenticipat that we MAY need to seekome amendmentsrom tim to time as address cnging conditis. The lt thing jt wanteo y is whene when weelieve, when the cpus is ful deloped, weo nxpect mporary use permits will be need. And wit that, um, we, tt and Corey are here.E wouldtand fornyuestions you. [46:36] Mayor: MAY he. Good. Um.Y flt. I gave y a littl bit of leeway here We re.E reind o fon in t councilf suggestg th petitioners should sta aw from sellingoo muc Um. Uh,ou hug the lin aittle bit, but that my fault. So. [46:52] Mayor: Uh, no problems. Uh, council question f staff or the applict? Yes, sir. Um, and I ll, I ll jus um Uh, appriate the uate, a I m, m tonguenheek authat, but I d areciate t update. And aotas gen, uh, a, um,h, I ne that,m, w stard worki on ts developmt I016.H,nd, um,nd I think at the te, um uh,verybody whoas on e dais at the time undstood th when we re putti on a sion therehat it woulde a visn tha would change and evolvever timeased on market condition Uh, nobody anticipate for exale, a pandemic which would change a t of the aumptions everyby had u w re at [47:39] Mayor: th point, ten yearsnto th. And tnk thathen w startedut, weaid, um, thi was whahis wasbout 1 yearision. Um, andhat we d understand itetter at t end of5 yrs.O,h, tha said, um, and I m supporte of the iup. Um, dave to bause I feel it the incumnt respsibility to notehat, uhenerally speakin um, we areemiss to ren IEPs in a seri form. Uh, and always wanto know what the end ge to g to a pmanent conditio and a pernent solution Um, uh, I ll just say th now acknoedging that, um,he nt timee lle back here, u this I ahree yea term. So theextime we lle [48:27] Mayor: back here will be, uh, 1 yrs into t 15. U s my hope is, an I m se its yourss well.M,hat a we srt apprching that5 year,h, outer tt we really, um, uh,ind o honing inn what mark condition are and what we canet de. Um, on tse sites,s you kw. U there s not aot of propey tase th comes bk tohe peoe of vegan uh, from, uh, gravel parking lots. And I think we d all sha t desire. To hav the highe and best uses o there.Bsolutely. Um, b for rightow, mupportive of this with the undstanding that we allet in this with a 15 yr visn. So, um, question or commes? [49:05] Council Member: Mayo just auestion for clarication. By approvin interi u pert forhree years. W re lking at a termation defhat wou three yrs fm tay, Jun d, 2029. Correct Correct. Corrt. Was I was confused by the stement in the agenda info mem that says the applant is seeking approva of threeear eension uil Ju 30th, 2027. It shoul behree yearsrom th date of approl. Yes. [49:33] Mayor: So it is 202eah. Okay. Thank you. Y additnal qstions? Seeing ne. Thas f comg in. Thanksor havg us. Are tre any members o the public who wano comme on the propose ierim use pmit renewal? Uh,or theikings kes Etion? Um, thateust talk about. A I m not goi to use all the vbiageeeing ne, we bringt back t council for addional cments andr motio. F councilmberseeting. Uh, forotion to. [50:00] Council Member: Apove annterim use permit for tee yea to contie use of aemporary overflow parki at outle Vikin Lakes outt Aiking Lak third edition d lot two, block one, Vikg Lake third edion, loced within Ving Lakes. Sject to the cditions lted I t apc mutes. Cond. That sovednd sonded. Uh, is tre an addional comme? I mladhat you didn talk [50:33] Mayor: abt footbl. Moving right alonghere. But y just. Did leave that there. Yea Um, any additnal comment Uh, agaiteve, Iustant to thk you for the updaten at going out there Uh, there is no doubt that lot s gone on on out there.H, and loo forwa t the to the, , additiona additns to t community that the Vikgs likes. Uh, properts going to bring I alrea has really had a gat impact o our communy. Uh, and I areciate that a loto,h,f there ar no additiol cments, t tion h been made and sended. All I favor of t moti?Ignify by sing aye. [51:09] Mayor: Aye. And opposed Nay. Um.Hat motion carries. Again, thank for comin in. Uh, with tt, uh we have onetem remning. Uh, uer new business, it is em b. This is a comprehsive guid plamendment uh, for the Blu Cross Blu Seld revelopmen for Nick Minami. I m sorry uh, of Os velopment Compa. It a comprehense guide pla amendmto allor a mix of buness developnt of business park, bp, medm nsity,esidenti and hh nsity resential land us upon appximately 41.5cres locatedt t5, 35, and 354 Blue Css Roa Legly descrids ls two and and threlock one o thelue [51:56] Diane Miller: Crs Etion. Ms Miller. Thk you,ister Mayor. Members o the cncil. Uh, as theayor indicat, Opus Devepmentompany I requesting the landsehange a mix of businesark, high deity residential and mium densit residenal to to aow redevelopmtf the former Blueross Blu Seld office siith a busines toark apartmtsnd tnhomes. The suitted conceptlan scribesn itial business rkotaling 4,000ft acrs four buiings, up t 500 aparent unitsnd uo 126 townhos, wle thr ves ar ruiredo refer the propal tohe Metropolin Counci f revw, a lst four votesould be nded in theuture to adoptnd implemthe land usehange. [52:37] Diane Miller: Followingetropolin Council review t Advisory Plannin Commsion did hold a pubc heing a ohe request on Ma 2h o this year and recoended aroval on aix on vote. S I going t turn itver to City Planner Scltz. Thank you, MISS Milr. MAY, Council. So before you is a co card amendment reqst. [52:57] City Planner Schultz: Rst, becau t pperty is kind of oentedo the northeast and the southwest, I do want ithenevero rer to cardinairections,orth beg basally towards uh, Yaee Doodle Rd. Uh, five state east, tt s basical, uh, tards Blue Crooad. , anything wes would b towards hhway 13.Nything uth essentilyowards Bla wk. Sh, knowhe the operty is a lite, uh, kitty Wamp. Uh, as far a cardil rection. So, uh, sohe property is current zoned plned developnt, uh, coains the Be Cro Blue Shield, uh, offic buildg ilt in969. Uh, the adjacen daycar pperty,ocated on e south endf the se, was nstructed in005.H,pus Delopment Compa has submitd t ld use amendmt wh the intto [53:45] City Planner Schultz: redevep the site with buness park buildin, townhome and apartmes. Uh, theorthern pcel, uh, it s currently utilize f scer fields u that tha are ased t the cy. Uh,s n inuded in the pposal and reins under ownerip of the Blue Cross Blue Shiel Uh, in 20, uhere w proposa to regarhe prorty fro major offic to indtrial. Uh, bu thah, appcation w [54:17] City Planner Schultz: later withdrawn. Uh, sohe property is, uh, again boued byankee Doodl to theorth with highway 1 to t west a Blackhaw Um, Blahawk Road to t south and Blu Cross Road to the et.Ccess t the sites proded. Blu cross from Blu Cross Road.H, Yaee Ddle Road and Highw re pncipal artial roadysnd servesajor uck rous throughhe cit Uhrails are present adjacent to t north, et, and sou sis ofhe sit Uh. There is currtly arail gap basical fr Blackhawk Roa upo Yankee Doodl Road. Uh, other surroundgand uses uh, incle comrcial to theorth the prorty. Um, ahe rtheast, uh, indusial [55:03] City Planner Schultz: essentlly to the west. Uh, single fily residtial to the sth. Sky Hill Park, uh, nd of to the southea of the te.M, ahen aharter school loced directly t t the eas Suld b nedhat Blue Css Blue Shieldlso currtly, uh, retainshewo woedarcels that are lated on the east side of Blue Css. [55:26] City Planner Schultz: And not part o this proposal. Uh, t existing offic buding, uh, is sitted in th west cenal, u portion the sitend utilis existing grades o the se terracing, basicly fro t paing lot frontg Blu Cross Road down toighway 13, wch allo theuilding t have a fairly dcrete or lowrofile [55:50] City Planner Schultz: on t sit Um. Uh, thection befo you, uh, is nessarily e proposal. Uh, to whethero low thehangef ld use fr major office tousiness pa, medm dsity and hh density resential.H, as submittehepplication, uh, shsusiness par consistin of 24.5 acres. [56:09] City Planner Schultz: Must going toump ahead to that4.5 res wh pentially for buness park type buildgs totali aroximately 466,00t. Um,edium densi residential. That s sho o the sthern exten of t property whp to 1 townhos on 10.5cres and hi density residenal sandwied between tse t uses, with up to 500 artment itsn, uh, upo.5 acr. Uh, thi conce plan iseant to iustrate potential delopment tt is reesentati of the applican s intenf the amenent is approved, greer developmen detl will be prided with the nex phase within the revw proce that wi als ilude [56:57] City Planner Schultz: environmenl. Uh,eview. Uh, as part o that next step, uh, withhat e orhe oaa, whichs an altertive, u uh, bically uh, would b required wit thi sit becse th propod devopment does exceed tseandatory threshds as cald out within ste statutes. Uh, gradi t propty will beecessaryo accommatehe new bldings, entrces, parki lots,h, trai and stormwar basinh, there are two wetlands locat on the kind of sou end of the site. Adjact highw 13. Uh, that wld have to be lineated Uh, and the site does contain mure and well intained landscapi, u whic the redelopment wil certaiy impt tse, u existingrees, uh, on the se t Tree Cy s tre [57:45] City Planner Schultz: preservaon ordance would apy, uh, with fure velopment o the sit as far ,h, infstructur a stormwat, t cit sh, post construcon stormwate stdardsould apply. The coept plan describ ormwateranagemen basin, uh located in thatind of south southst corne of t site. Uh, adjacent and existg puic basin thatccept wat from highway 13.H, tre are private wat,ain and sanitary ser, a a pubc trunk sitary ser linehat would nd to be relocat. U as part of a, uh, developnt or redevopment of t sit. , as fs stree and access and,h, pedesian circation. Uh, nirect acce fro hhway3 is [58:31] City Planner Schultz: lowed. Uh, per t state cess from theroposed develoent will contie, uh, om thehree accs pnts o Blue Cro Road. Uh, wh one, uh,ssentially being related out 230 south o its cuent lation. Sohose thre accessoints,asically, uh the one of the north, uh, th would eentially share th the pking lot for the ccer fields. Uh, or maybe a parate access cld be allowed f tho, uh, parki lot. Uh, the uecond access woul be lated here beten those bldings. U a then the s an aess tha s proposed dectlyn alignnt wi Ashry. Uh,heres actually frthccess that proposedn Blackhawk u that wou be usedrimarily fo those residenti, uh, us, uh, o t south end of [59:21] City Planner Schultz: theite Uh, the applicant ll need to comple a traff impact analysis for the proped delopment Uh, exting publicasements and utitiesill nd to be dedicate u Mint will also ge to riew the plan f addition right of w nee, d will likelyequire, uh, drainage and stormwate permi forny wer that leave the site. Uh, it s anticipatedo additialightf way wou be reqredrom the cy for any aacent stree. As f as comphensive land use impts. Uh the major office designatiohataspplied to the pperty I 20,h, descbesreas aommodating mix of pfessiona oice, researnd developnt faciliti and high tec manufactingervices.H,he mplan describ business [1:00:07] pa dignation, whi is oposed on the nth end of the sit as proded for ofession offic, researc and devopment facilies, alon withomeight indurial uses. Uh bp uses eate subantial emploe and truck traffnd are bt locate alongrterial a collector roaays tha oft reire, uh,arge building footints andarking areas. Uh. Theomp planescribes highensity, u basical such a tnhomes, condomiums,partment with a densit ran of 12 to 60 uts per ae. The high density prect project high densi projects require direct access to artial and colctor roadwa. Um, with proximi to [1:00:53] public trans. Um a the comp an descres mediu density signatio assiated wit two mily dweings, townhes and condomiums, and usually h a deityange oo 12 units percre.H, silar to hig nsity, the d uh,uggest access from artialnd collecto roadways As far as compatility, u,usiness rk us a generly mpatible with light dustrial,ommercialnd multi-family developnts. Um mpatibily doesepend on a level of truck traffichat is nerated from the site. Uh, hi density u uses can be mpatible wit low densi residential uses. Uh, as wel as intsive commercl industrial uses with appropriate scale bufferi and si desig that ispplied. , and medium density is [1:01:40] nerallyompatibl wh low d high density residenti uses, and m be compatie with som cmercial and industri use Ain, considerg sca buffering and te desn. Uh sitegain is rrounded byollector a arterialoadshatonnect to theegional traportation neork. Uh site has industria la uses tohe west, singl mily to the south, and Blacawk Roa and the charter scol to the eas Uh, propriate separation and ffering is require among differin aacentand uses. [1:02:11] Base on the cceptlan, the townme develment wil certainl bring some of that activi closero the tablishe single family residentl neighborhoo to the [1:02:23] soh Uh, redevopment of the site aows for uque opportuny ofarge scale redevepment I Eag. Uh, a otherwe ful developed commity. Uh, the sit se an dimensions doppear suitable forevelopment, but siificant. Uh uh, topical change acros t sit wil reire subantial gding to suppor the propose develoent. Uh, wetlas and natul wdlands dootppear be,h, signifint constraints. And the comprehense gdelan, uh uh basicly list goa and policihat are outline thin the planngtaff [1:03:01] report As far asarks and recreaon, the site is serve by Sky Hil Pk, uh, tohe southeas which provis, uh, certain ameties,ncluding tennis and pickleball, on space to theorth o theite is also hto, uh,occer elds.M, andhere s existing uh, trails incluh, includ ang Blue Css Road as pt of the citywid til stem. Inummary, the plicants proposing a corehensive gde pn amenentor major oice t busiss park high density and medi dsity upon1.5cres. E applints reqsting the land use change to all redevelopmen of the se with tohomes, apartnts and light busineark buiings. Uh. E amendnt I subct to view by theet Council and implemtation of the change [1:03:48] wod beithheld unt an enviroental revw. Eithe a eaw or an a iompleted for the specic delopment. Uh, soith tt, Ieeit Bennett in the audiee frompus, uh, address any questions from cocil. Wi the applicant I dike to [1:04:09] add. Kip, I presu. What s that I said, Kip, I presu. Kit with the t o kit. Yep. I get. A lotf diffent this. Um, Mr mayor, mbers of cncil, um, appreciate the oppornity to beere tonight Uh, MR. Scltz,hank y for the erview. As I said, I m Kip nnett wh Opus Devopment Compan u opu has a lg histy in Eagan developing er the lt5 years spanningacko ourirst oject and seven over 7,000,000f. Um, to today. And we re looki forward t ntinuing tha partnership and and claboration wit cy aff, officiand the communyo connue tt partnership. Um, as stated, the endf oolete office campuses is happeni acros th nation. Ihinke can a agree it s not the hhest and [1:04:55] best use o a site. Um, and our goal here Is to really jus fige out what is that highest and best use. Uhrough lan u studies and the aoa pross, which wil study traffic site utilits and a varie of differt impac o kind o what that ultime use is goi to b Um,nd regardless of wh that exa confiration becos, I s gngo hel increase the, vegans tax base, eloyment opportunies and housingvailability in some rard. And exactly tha ounts. It remains t be see and somhing w just wthe portunit to study. Um, while weon t he lot o ansrs todayxcuse me. Um, the air willive us the oppornity to st takehat infmation. Sty it. We have varty of pubc opptunity for input [1:05:43] at abc Cy Councilgain.M, neighborod meeting. A ultitely, the goal of just rightsizinnd gdinghat th redevelopmeould be. Um,the end ofhat proce, there slso gng to b a separa concelan submittal. Wel I ll cl tritional entitments tt you mighteeorite that ready guid for use that you re going too throu. So ere s gng to b a variety of oortuniti to kind of rene and pus andull it. What we re goi to be suitting. So ultimaty today I just would like t reitete this iurelyustand u. [1:06:14] Theensities here are, um, ju mirrori city code and what the ranges of the thsholds can be. What you see he is ultimely n wt s goin to be devoped. Um, a the bcking pn is, uh, nothinore than us and archects justrying to, y know put som pen toaper. [1:06:30] Bu really, the ldse is what s guiding this. So, y know, withour appval toght, uh, we d le the oppounity to spend our tim and resoues stuing the se furthe And so I tak any questionf you haveny. Yeah. Um. Uh,hank theouncilhe opportuny tsk qstions o Ki u and or staff. Um, I suspec the ll probay be a fe questions. I know I have a fe questions. Um. Uh, Kit I m just goingo give you a heads that I m probably gng to as a fewuestions to try to ge beyond se of the jargo that yound the five people up he are use to. But the 3 ople out there aren t as used dealing wit s um, Iust know tt that coming. So, um, counc queions oftaff or o Kit. Um, bore g arted. Maybe later ay. [1:07:15] Sounds goo Um, I m gng to stt mbe justrying to go ck a lite bit.M, Mik to th 2023roposal, u if I can, and I, I didn t giveou the hea up tha I, I was goin to ask, um,s man of theseuestionsut,m, uh, st to tee I up here a little bi Um, I thi you referre to its a propol. If it s okay withou, I m going to refer to it a the Johns brhers prosal. Um, I thi all rall that. And it s just easier fore to d tha way. Um, canou just giv me a remier, u Mike, of,m, uh, what? The process was o the Joson bthers proposa Um, and if you c, m just. M intereed. Doou rall, did the apc, um, riew t Johnson brhersroposal a make [1:08:00] recommendaon on tt bore itame to theouncil? Um, mayor, basical, they went, uh, just to, u wt Johnson Broths got to w basicay the comp guide amdment, ectlyheree re at actly wheree re at right. Now, exactlyhere w re at right now. Uh,hey did take the next step of actuall compleng an ar, u whie d up I think w end u havg some neighboood involment d and, u cments involve that. Um, before actuay finazing or takin thaext step,hich the were ultimately, I bieve w adopted. Um,ohnson Bthers basicall pulled the plug so thatormal cp guide amendmen reque neverid make it t apc or to city uncil. [1:08:47] Okay.Oo be clear um,h, the Johon broers propol, , was a specificser, but it wa in the exact samepot I th process as this ones currently correct.Nd at tha time the couil had voted potively to send it upo the Metouncil wit the undersnding it wld come ck to us pendi furth. Ye Mor. That I corct. [1:09:08] Yeah that is key. So yea t council did vot inavoro send I u to the m Council. I don t rememr the exact vote. C certaly findut. But, uh, we did. That basally trigged the aowance or quirement that theyould have t comple that ar becausegain, they they also trigged basallyhat by stutory requiremes that our enronmentaleview,hich th Met Council wouldot revi untilhat was mpleted. [1:09:35] Okay. Um, and maybe while we he, um, I get consedn the alabet soup of environntal workshee or envonmental assessmes o a w, um, this projt would ruiren hour. [1:09:50] Um, can y jus elainutn layman s tms, um, what an o a e. Uh, wt purse I serves. Um, and and whatind of aas of land useould t ar,m,h, reseah orr develope on? [1:10:11] So the an eaw Eironment assessmentorksheet is quiredor certain projes that areriggered under sta states. As an aernative. Uh,pplicant can subt basically an aor o an alternate urban aa we review that basical lks at a minimum of two delopment scenarios on a pject o as part of theroposal. One o them can be, uh,s it currtlyxists onhe property a the othan b basilly at um, a proposed by by the applica,nd usuly at kindf a maximum staard. They can go more than that, but usually it s, it swo, 2 to 3. [1:10:49] Uh, so as part of that review, uh, a I can certain one ing I w goingo bring up th uh,ouncil is reay kin of morebout the proce and flow to help me maybeind o explain this a ltle bit better. A this ishe entir process kdf broht out um, so basicly t environmtal revie uh, or air basallyoulde submitd. Cncil would b a part o that process basical toccept tt initial scong. Um, a partf tt, that bacally indicat what tha area o revie wldonsist . Um, and tn oe basally the dft order was, was basicay,h, arovedy counl. We distrute that to other are agencs. Um, vernmentsor their riew [1:11:36] and comme. Um, surroundi commities, um,nd then cizens als hav an oprtunity to basicly revw that documen for a perio of up to 30 days. Weake all those commes or reay the the csultant takes all tse commen. The address tse comments as par of t riew procs, and theasically provid a response back to thos agencier tse resides tha provided commt. Uh, and then there a peri basically the oe tt cument haseen rised, ere s bically another ten y period for,h, agencies or residentso bically, um, peal whater thathat decision is wh, with the author. So, um, ihere s no peal, there seems to be n issues Counc tn would adopt the fin a year.H, a pa of tha uh, as pt of [1:12:23] thatrocess.O as youan see on this, this time frame, it I not aeriod of a month or two. It s usual periodf probably you kw, 4 to 5 mohs as part of tt revie procs. Okay. Um,nd I ll I ll thr this up, u toitherne of you as a jp bal Um, I think roughout there s been some rerence tohiss a concept plan Um, a I m wondeng if u can kind of just explain t a littl bit of what I it yo mean? Ll sta with you, ki I guess What d you mean? This is a concept plan as opposed to a alan plan? Um, for lk of better terms. And again, m asking mosy soe can, uh,lue other people into at the pcess is here. [1:13:05] And are rerring to as a plan. An of more o a ccrete, actu pnf what? Ts is what w re exact pposing. First conpt, which is jt a litt bit moreague in nature. U sohen we typilly g withoncept plan itould be, um, I ll just pkhe medium density redential. Let s s that tract was already zonhat way. And we comen with a concept plan that would ben actualell thohtut, you know,locking plannd havin biminous thrghout I And yo know, furinguthe yfinding accesso theite. [1:13:35] Righ now, this I merely looking a land use and the implicatns,m, of kin of the ranges of densies on that ld u. U so ccept plan, I wou s in my inion. A MR. Schtz, ease crect me if you tnk I wrong he, but, um, conceptlan I aost kinf further than I wou say tt we re at rightow. Right now, it s purel the opptunityo study a vartyf,ou know, thes landse impacts. Um. [1:14:01] I thi the, the, the iustry terms blo. Blob blobs. I llaket. I ome bk tohat. Um. Um, so whe y say, uh,hat youre aing for the oppounity to study this concept pn, can y expla t aittle bit, uh,gain, for theeopleehind you? Um, wh is it? Y mean when u reooking f the oprtunity to sdy thi It probably dovetls a ltle bit th what MR. Sultz just sa. [1:14:28] Yeah Um, I mn, Ihink we all no strange to this site. Um, and fol coming I and, um, hing toedevelop ind the were wh, younow, one specific use,ne scific user in md. Um,nd, y know, thos didn t move forward for, I bieve, a varty of asons. And, y know, the oprtunity he is that I don t thi that inll of o minds, w all say we know extly what it shoulder wh we hop itane.Nd so, you kno this gives ushe portunito go and you know,ire consultts to do trfic studies, infrastcture needs I the are Um, ormwaterapacityn the ea.M, to figureut what it can suprtnd just ulmately, um, wha it could even wt itouldvene. So ght n, they relobs o a piec of paper. And, you know, we lltudy that.E llake [1:15:14] that iormation, kinf refine it int wt I wou call moref a concept plan. Get feedbacrom apc, City Council, t communitynd nd o keepefining it as we go tough t process. An so as you go tough ando the a, you , um, uh, like I m suming you looking a well, ataximum capacy by ordinance, uh,s maxum cacity sportable by inastructure?Fot in the resech, you figure out, well, if maxum cacity might t be, b a lower cacity uld beupported by inastructu. Or you d identify if we wted to hav more capity, we dave to ma someort o frastrucre chaes to b able toccommodatehat capacity Is that is tha a fair way of sugsting how the research would go? [1:15:59] I suppose supse, yes.M, obvisly there goingo be if you were looking to add capaci to anying, there d be cost to that, wchould b alsorohibitive. Um,here are a lotfites thate loo at, I wouldn t I s hardo say given tre just varie of impact on the site, even fro just Topo, there s oy so much, younow you re goingo be able too wit it.M, and I woun t sayt necessary in increasg, but, um really, I gssust sing whathat, whahat thrhold even is. A then whin that workingithin theode of, um, floo are ratios andetbacks andll ofhat to the rlly ju figure oow is how can thisven be bcked. Bause what y seeere, to me, it ceainly loo, uh, too dense Anou know, don even thinkhere s dry alesn therehat tt reallyork are up t cityode. Yeah. Um, and sot [1:16:48] s jt,m, allight. that s fine. I trying to get. I don wanto get t, too into the wee. , becse rightow it we we haven t even had the cnce to really get too far int the eds, so I llave more. Yeah. High level ansrs. I appciate it. Yeah Uh, two mor questions Uh, Mist Schul,nd then I . [1:17:08] Ll open up t um, the rt of the cncil. Uh, refeed elier to in ts meetingo t Vikings lakes conctlan. Um, and that taking about5 years to that our conpts wouldehat wouldake about 15ears to filln. Um,nd back in 2016, when w develop I tre were ctainlylobs,or lack of better terms ohat we thought wou go onoikings Lakes. Um, is that roughly uivalent to what the concept plan idea we re tking aut here is tha w re we re kind designating whate think might b useful. We wto search it and figur it o, d thenventually figure o. [1:17:46] Um notnly that, but wha s market suppoable and that t picture mhthange. Ye. Mayor tt s pbably a go comparison. I wou say that the Vings was probay a littleit me of a hybri ere I thi tre was obablyt least som assuraes fro couiln, you know. They had o very cle ur at e time. Yeah. [1:18:03] Yeah. So I think tha think thatasind of more of a hyid aroach. Younow, ud by couil tha tt. And then the dails werought o when plan develments came foardefore, befe city counl. So. Okay. D then just a technic questionecause I did have written down here a this might be a prematu question, bu um, as I look at the, at e concept plan,m, you know, I had wrien down the qution, doe Ashry go through t gohrough the develoent to highway 13, undetanding that I s prematur here, but you I hd on. Um, uh, youuggested tha by sta law otate edict, um, tt aess cldn te taken o o 13. Um, I understa tha I m just [1:18:49] woeringhat the logic is. .Athis. He s n. Mr MAY. It s acces managemen Uh, pepectives from Mndot. Imarily. Uh, and is that is that a undabout w of saying acing requiremes? Y. Is it iossible to get too t ta accs under 13? [1:19:12] , impossible is kind o a that s prey defite wor Ye. Yh. I wld I wld s it s pretty close tompossibles. Oy. All rht. Uh,kay. Was I was just wonding. Uther questions. Cocilman. Thank you. Um. [1:19:28] Quickuestion just on each poionhat s separatedut the the, um,ediumensity, th high densi, uh, especily those. Two. Um On. The plan that the scree right. Now. [1:19:43] Thene, the 1 unitss the ximum.Id y com up with at number? Bausehat s t maximumhat cld fit on that size lnediumensity. And theameith the00 units. That s the mimum. So you justike youaid, re not propongpecific buildis rig now But tha range y have tre aually es up to theaximum that woul be allable on t size lot tha s there. Yeah.E reaking the um, acreag of each land u and then,m, you kno was working withtaff, younow, just to give everye generaldea, decidedo put some numrs to it, a we just mirrored code. So I belveedium densi is 4o 1 uts, which ishen bad on the acrge where tt thshold comes from. A I believ there s aegional stormwer the. A so technically thatould decrea. Um, b tt sgain [1:20:29] its p ae anden a a half aes. S 126 So, so really thosere notoxceed numbers basedn the way the site is curntly splp. Correc And there could be a variety of reans tt that not to eeed sure. En acevable. Okay. Tnkou. Yea ll terhe pubc comment I obably he some more question ank you Can I. Just flow u with that? [1:20:51] Cause accordi to t planni report,m,t says it exceed the maxim density density allowed. Um, so y we over the maximhat t city allows. Planng report. I don know. Ishat due. The storm? [1:21:13] Page sev. Conceptlan. Middle of theage? Ye Uh and I tnkhat MAY he been refring t maybe the high densi. If I can Get high dsity. Yeah. You were. S, um. [1:21:29] So you exceede what they exceed. They say 500. I m ying toet crificati , I recall. Beuse wha my plannin rept says and what he sss differen ah, I can do the density lculation again, Councilmemr fies, but as far as lot coverag think that was one o the comnts from, from staff was ifou notice thewo buildings shown, at leastnhis conpt pn, um, und5, u bically 20% builng covage wou b alwed whin thatone dirict. And as it s swn no I think itas le cser toike 50% um,uilding coveran t site. S I ality, when ty d comack th theirrelimina plan velopmenheyould certaiy hav to sta dressing this such as lot [1:22:15] verage, densi, ope space, um, draine requirents, thgs like that that areot essentiay detled yet o this, this conce pla So I probably envion ateast o of those bldings probay going away wn the ifhey get tt far wh a wh the prelimary pd. Thank you I just wanted to make se we we wer speing the same lguage. [1:22:34] Cocilmembe bucke. But I mindful that it sll mighte possibleochieve theull uni pcreagen that parcularlock bause anpartmentuilding can rink the foorint anddd a oorr two and achieve t me number ofnits. Yeah. Mayor Councilmemb. [1:22:52] Cking.Hat s crect. I an, the would the if they di goertical and had a smalr footpnt, ty ceainlyould achie 500 uns on t property. But agn, tt wourobably result in a multi-sry ilding, you kno probably beyo wtouan curntly has. Right Okay. Probab se snificant ight varnces wouot b apoved or sugsted. Otheruestions. Um I [1:23:24] ll um I aed the qutionf MR. Schultz, b I ll justskou rigowo that we alln the seage abt it, gue. Um, as I [1:23:38] lo at, u the, uh, busines park porti of this. Um, one the conrns tha I h was, [1:23:48] um, u, wheerr not a fute use as busins park wld allow for aacility becau there I t a use ned here, right? Rig now And w re, for lackf a bette ter as beingpeculative abohe [1:24:04] uses.M, uh, under the a cuent biness parkoning. Um, would, um, prorties le [1:24:15] th beble to site? Um, data centers or whaverevel?M, [1:24:24] d,m, and how, um,ight o might tt nothange in the future Uh,nerms o businessark. So I think, Mis Marker, i veust set you up. Okay. Um, Mr.Ayor, the the city has approved.Ohere s t bunessark gde pla desiation, wch would determine wt the zong could . The zonin determines what th uses cld b So it s a bit of twotep. Yep. Um,o in business pk guide pn, the zing thaould b approvould business park That seems obvus.M, resechnd developnt and mited busins. O tho threeoning districts the city has appved a dat center wiin theusiness. Witn a business pk districo there iome predent of a da center beingllowedn a busine parkistrict.Ithin [1:25:10] busiss park,and u desiation. Okay.M, s tre is som precent to that. U the city, of crse, is under a moratori. So thatestricts at could hpen until t end of theoratorium andhat mit be aowedn ter of what ordance mhte adoed terhe researcndtudy is prestedo council Um, that is toeetermined.H, wo expect thatata centers wou be defined as a specific use and probably, you know, I ems lik the reseah is pointi t man cities lowing data cters throu a Cup pcess tout some criteria o that. Ay. [1:25:50] So t belear, und our current ordince in Busess Parkhere, the would be an argume to beble to ce a ta cenrn thaoning district,h, o I an adjacen or I auided zoningistrict that sonsisten wit it. But those standards MAY change in theuture as aesult of the rearch weo through the moratorium at is crect. MR. Mayor. [1:26:11] Ay. Thank you. Appreciat that.T s wted to get that questi out there. U any otherdditional queions? All ght. Um, thanks, I appciate . And w ll comeack. To you soon. Okay. Um, thank y very much. And I want to want to thank the audnce f the patienc in getting throu those qutions. Um, theeason w I asked asany questions as I did is becse I wantoeally clearly que uphere w are the pross and where w re not in t process. U Uh, what? Um, uh, the appcants aski fs the opportuty to g to the Metouncil. Um, ann the way the,o search on aasiconcept. Um, tha ty hav [1:26:56] t put mea on the bones f yet. Um, that takes three votes to send it to e Met Couil.Ndefore it wouldet to t Met Counc. The order would be cpleted because the Met Council wouldn t a on I unt aer theesearch I their wasn [1:27:14] the fil Um, uh, t pathen woulde for the Metouncil t approver npprove, um, a comphensive plan guide change.M, andhen they d nd itack t the cy of Eaga to dermine whetherr not we wted to actuall imement tt. Ut s little bit of of a rndabout way o um, of getting uh, to th.Ut the poi ishis, um, wha s on the table today is a concept Nothing about that conpt is written in one. Uh, and very muc of this ccept is wtten in ncil, uh, wh t hop of being able to erase it and adjust itased onhings. Like whathe reseahays. Um, u at the mket migupport. [1:27:58] And uimately, wn it comes back, the applica is gng to ben the hk to beay mor specic about exactly what theseroposals would look like if they allowed toove forwd on tm.M,nd so, um, I s aoundabouayf sayi, u a a commuty, as a council, regaress of what haens tonight Um, we will all get at least a second be at this apple. Um, andhat the more specifi plans probabl won be availab to u uh, [1:28:33] til, uh,aybe 202 Um, uh, because of all t time I takes t gohroughnd do the researchhat they re wanng to d with the o ar, uh, and and go through the rigarole th is the theetropolin Cocil. Um, and I saytn when t fonde terms possle. Um, so as we take commts tonight, I m going to as thathe comnts be focud at that 15 to 20,00 foot level Um,nd I understa that, um, scific qutions about t sites. Um, about the siz ofuildingsnd thingsike that is ver much. [1:29:10] Um, uetermine rightow. Um, and, um, you kno I asked a specific questn about a road going through tha was a curiity more tnt was german quite fraly,h, to the levelf conpt tha we re loing at tonight. So as, , go aake plic cment, I jus want t make surehat we aren t tha we rell undersnding, um, tt nothing abou thi I set intone.M, almost all of it is, uh, moldable and cngeable.M, bad on what the researc lls u bed on whathe applican finds out from the research and wha they bring ck tos in mor conete form. Um, in the future. Shoul this even go to the next step of going t the Metrolitan Counlnd the or road?O, uh, moing to askhat ase makeomments, w try totay [1:29:57] away fm scificsbouthe site pn andalk more concepally abo the aual land u I a generalense. And I appreciatouratience goinghrough tho questns. But I, you kw, we w re just upstairs inistening sessi ere somody,h, reminde us at sometimes thisrocess getsery confung. Uh, if u re not in here every week atvery time. So I moing my be to try to elain out this process and whe we are int. Um, so thate can he a pructive conversatn. So uh,ith that, I want to invite uh, folks to,h, who want to comntn the propod concept pla Uh, to do that at this tim I wil ask tt we have aot ofeoplen t ro. Um, and uh,eo hav publearing, uules tha sugges that if you reoing t [1:30:43] eak,m,ry to limit your commts t aboutour minutes or less. Um, ls is always gream, b, uh, for I understandab and should be enoughime to b able to get ur commes in, uh, inpite ofhe long winde ness ve had wh explaing that. So wi that, um, memrs of the public who want t com u Um, you can jus come up wnever, uh, whever somebod I don. Ah.Y ne I Tom McLaugin. I ve lived I Ean r 35 yea. Live at 36, 3 hbury Road, and it sood to he tha everything the complentsne another.Ut my questi I it doe t colement t nghborhood. [1:31:22] When I moved out tre,t w aot of woods. We had Blue oss, Blue Shielhereere a great neighr.Hey protted t neighrhood. They aually hadafety meetings wit older peoe. Don t drive through the neigorhood. Well, aot has anged and we went to the plning comttee. I kind of got t sense that thi is land that time fort. Well, it dn forget us. There s bn a lot o developme o tre nce Blue Css Blue Shield le. We had Delta Denta came inn 199 Their inial proposal waso put a drivey onheshbury Road, basically feed t neighborhoo everhing intohe neighborod. Thank GOD tha washanged and it was p out to Blue Cross Blue Shield. Tt [1:32:07] help qui bit. That ilding now is a schoo Ther s kids in that nehborhood. A lot of kids across the street is our park. S amall park, but it s a very, very by park.Eave ice sting, we have ballpar, we have childre s play areas ande veotheseew court Its not at all uncmon. On a weekght I the eveng to see Ashbury Road carnoth sid of tha road. That s a single laye lan roa People walking acro the strt. And we have a concept to put 600 houses across t stree fm that, ongithn office park. Y know, we can talk abo this [1:32:54] nd also. We can talk about e place beiurrounde by highway3. Higay 13 dsn t touch that part. We can tet to hhway 13 without gng through one ofhe other rds. Same tng wh Yane Ddle. You he to gohrough ather ad. You can t g to tha Th s lik sing itlso has acceo Cedar and5 e y can t geto those rds without gng throughnother urce. Sohe twooads tha are reall impted are Blu Crosslue Shiel and um. Blac Hawk. Ack Hk. [1:33:26] Thank y. Yep. Sinc Blue Csslue Shield was the, there s been significan develment on ackawk. There I a road, ere s nghborhoo inhere that weren there befor to get from Bla Haw onto highway 13. If you wan t take a left corne you veot a maximu of thr car lengths before tha wle road is filled And nowou wan t put 600ew buiings ohat. You want to hen aessohat road. It can hane it now, but we re going t add 600 new homes tot, ps a busines rk on thether sidef that, yo want to p lht industal. Well, tt is a, um soccield. S we going to nruckshrough a scer eld. W would we even [1:34:12] consider that?Y qstion is, es thi f the nghborhoo can maketit anything. Yo can shoestringnything in any place. Butoes it fit th neighboood? This I a ighborho. There are sine mily homes I talke aut e park. Tre carsn bh sides of t strt. Walk, go further throu the neigorhood and you llind ople walking. Mothers, fathers, kid plangn the nehborhood.Lso,ne o the things tt s happened since th start, the Ring roa we all hrd of tha Tak a lo at theap you alking about, an entnce dectly onto Ashbu Road from 600 uses to gohrough a shortcut to the ring rd.His is. Doesn mean it doesn even [1:34:57] ke sense. Why would we all that kind of traffic onto a ring road? When you doour traffic stu, take look at the roads areoing to be affect. At s tffic. U reoming up on aut fr minute herend. The rin road a littl bit forever. Well, understandou can. Go f it, but wan you. To. [1:35:13] Introde t conpt fit the neigorhood. Y.Ou were hired to prote t neibors. And that Igree sething needs t be done. Bhiss anhisoes n fit a schoo aygroundoccer courtnd sidentia neighrhoods as well as thexisting street structehat canandle it. [1:35:34] Toda. Ankou. Ank you t. Additnal [1:35:43] mments. I should rind you at if pple do he questis, Diane Mler I diligentriting down those quesons, and we go back afterwards andry toespond to allhe questio. But we won t be doi tm indidually.Heseuestions. Having saidhat, have a questi. Excellen We, liste n, carly, it s clearlytated tha I canrite it dow Hi. [1:36:03] My name is Betsy McGee. We ve livedere approximaly0 year ande re veryappy in being part o theommunity Um we live on Birch Pond Place, which is inhelder seion. A y go up theill of of Ashbu. Um, m queion is in regar to uerstandi Egan s requirents, ttf an apartment blding is bui, do u have heit ruirement And, um, are tre ao low inco housing oppornities for folks initherhe apartmt and or t townhouse area and ensing tt we have fa houngorverybody?M, andbviously everybody s going ask about, do w have enough [1:36:51] schools? And a well as the serequiremes and everhing, it s sort ofhe full badth o this. But I d ally like to understd, beuse I knowne of you mentioned that the curre cility does he a l ight, um, pfile. And so obviously that s impornt to tr to mntain the iegrity of theroperty. Ihink other onehat hasn t been broughtp is theroperty ght now rlly has the fee of a darkened s.M, appreciaon.Nd obvusly as we build a lot o facilitie to that aa tt can impac the lightinnd overall, u ambience of the area. S those are jty gener questns. Thank youverybody. Thanks for everne [1:37:37] hard work. Andhank you tha Johns Brother did t come in. Thanks, Betsy. [1:37:50] Additial cments. Hell I Yvonne Gellert at 185 r Foxoad.Ur famy has led in Eag f 25 years now,nd runng.M, muestions are abt w would theitye entertaing bringg indurial acrossighway 1 Highy 13 hn thether side has beenheree ve kept ou industrl. And Inow we ve tald about it being ally a neighborhoo feel. Ere s aeady been commes de about the school and the rkndhe housing real close by. Jus question whye wld be enterining, u busess Park sous really cl until yo know that I cane up to 85% industria So what is that goingo do in terms of the saty of all of us walng ound tha neighboood and the childre and the environmt? Um, theas bee talk,m,t wmphasized a the las meeti. In thi [1:38:36] meetin it sous me lik a questi mk about ather road gng oo Bla Hawk. So, u I eourage you t all take a drive onhatoad and to see how mhou can t see coming around thatorner, up theill orown t hill, uh, especily durg high tffic timem,o ccerns about allhe neighbo new neighbors whoould be coming in andut another road tha doesn t haveood visility. So would weook to change the road to raighten itut? Soe actually get that visibily? Um,t wld b a questn I have And then just qstion a we loo forward look forward seeingore aut wt a final pn wld bf I gets approved to move forward I term of denty, I would really questio why t city would all u t exceed densy guidenes. U and th just a questio wt schoolistrict wouhis be [1:39:22] in o neighborhd? We in theurnsville Schoo Distric So just curiohat school district these folould a be attendi schooli. Thk y.Hank you. [1:39:40] Adtional comments. Hello. I m Patce Callan. Iive at 3715. Orange Drive. We ve bn ere abo 35 years I m happy. Thatesidenti is being consider for this sit It s gorgeous sit Mnesota Riv access. U The skyne. It s th North Arican flyway zone. So bds,igrating bir. It beautiful site. And people shoulde able to enjoy. [1:40:05] Thatite. So right aoss the Hil Seet fr Sky Hl Par Nice velopmen of the park.O redentsould be able to play at t park. We livebout thre blocks away. We there all t time. Um, the schl kids cano to thechool, so it s kind of like it been set up. Schools n parks just been updated So, um, yay for the ridential,m, lking at theistribution cente it s a conct. Um, pple are being squeednto t acres, and en theusinesst 25. MAY nsider expandihe, um, residentlartnd decreing the businesart. And then as forhe busins part, we [1:40:51] talkg about futurese. W havellhese oices becau few w at one te needed them. We MAY not nee busins park use in the future, MAY more ridents because people are sti here. Peoe still ar living here. Um, and then ain, to folw u wh that unprecedente land use cnge fo the east se of highw 13.M, tt suld not eve be onheable o uer conseration. Tha you for yo time. [1:41:21] Thankou. Od ening. Mayor,ity counl offic Um, I m a very rvous plic saker, so m sorry,ut I m going toave to us my pho. Um, myame is Kathayden. Liv on Terra Gln Court in Eagan.Ave f 13 yrs, and I wan t make one point that was t made yet. [1:41:42] And that is note. Um, I don t think tre s even those lovy neighbors thatave made exceent point There s not a lot. The so one for my nehborhood here wen t notied. I live one block away fro the propol. Ty might he m t criteria. I don know, I m not judging i m just sayg from, uh, mmunity persptive, we di teceive nice that this wasven a pposal. I did reach o to Great Os Charter Scho. Ty are right acros fromlue Cross Blue Shield. They did not receive notice eith. So that s just sothing I wted you t know. Um, I really appciate, mayor th you made your comnts. [1:42:21] Um, regarding, um, tha thiss in penl. Sorry, k. Rlly ppy. I s I penl. Wish it was a residtial real este. Yeah. Comtibleith o neighbhood. Bause I wou el mh betrboututting it in pen. Uyiggest concerns are t lig instrial andigh density housin Ashe oth, u neighboraveointed out it s it s not. Oka The frastructure of t roads it don t wor If thi was ving intoour neighboood. Um, Kit, know youaid I s merely land use propol. Love t kno where you live and pop onef the nt teah, Ihink you d.T s keeping me up a night is what it s doing. I concerned Why? Becae I means mor tru affic in our nghborhood. It ans it s goi to [1:43:07] amatically increas u the number o vehles, more congesti, conflts wit the school The sool just. Opened. U there no buering beten the townhos, the industria the aptments. Um, t sool charte schl I planning to expand every yeahat w just propose I mean, m taing abo, younow,et s ve som ccrete pnning. If th want to come in and build mething,uild I Um, mpatible with the neighbhood. D not believe is is compatible. It creates foseeable proems right now When it s inhe penl stage. [1:43:43] D for tho reans, those reason I hope you put the heal, safet and wfare o r commuty first a deny thisroposal. Tnk y. Thank y Kathydditional commts. Uh,nd will a at, u knowt s uncoortable to d I and not natul, but if y can coinue tory to dect mments to t dais and not to othe people I the rm, that s just one of t things we t to do. N toorry. You are nvous. [1:44:09] Goodvening. I m Steve McCoy. We, my famil a I live at 16 Ashbu Placeh, we ve live there since 1999, and my wife s, u my beautulride. He famy goes back to 1974, in Eagan.O we reefinitely insted in theity.M,he you ve heard a l her at the Planng Commiioneeting, andhere s lot ofommentary abou traic a wha s moving through nghborhoo, e.. [1:44:38] Um, my, uh, whehe gentleman fr opuasp her I d t rememb his nam Um,eas talkg about how maj offices is. That conpt is going ay withemote. Um, uh, remot work, e. So moncerned abouthiseing tated as, uh, some land in a vacuu And have next to ithree major office, uh, areas tt are obably going toet cnged in the zoning.M, wt is it What I that gng t beme? Um, lking in the packetf iormation, there was a onef t proposa, uh, whelue Cro was going toevelop, udditional officescross the street when theerra Gle delopmentas [1:45:25] putn, see that, uh, there wa a proposalt thatime whic presublyet musr was to bring another rd eastf lta Denta onto Ashbu ace. It was inhe pactf information that we had at the planning comttee meeng. So m just my concerns thi I being tated as one lite chk whenhere s lots o little chus aroun it that are going t have impt on what all hpens he. Um, the other tng isave famy backgrou in construion, and if I was one o theeople that but the Blueross buiing, I day, what s wng whe? [1:46:03] Wh does everyboant to knocke dow Um, I don t know what tre a forther uses r that building. Um, b at th Planning Commission meetg, there s cmentary abt egg and needing housing, needin little bit more, uh. [1:46:19] Uh higher dentyousing, lower ct housi. Uh, has anyonenvested or che city lead the way in rsing that building? Not asffice, b potentlly a uh,ou kw, nverted intpartments, converted ioomething I guess m queion for the council, anye whooses kws what s wrong wit that ilding. Why isverybody rgeting to tear it down? Um, cause nearing it down woulignificantly dreased acro the pject.M,nd then what else did I have? My note Um Oh,nd I I know that whe we med into the ighborhood on Ashbury Road, there were, there were two oke pois put in on the et d west sid o tha [1:47:05] nehborhood that atill ey re sll the today Um, I jus wan to me se that as you go throu this pross, that creive ias are used ke thato tryo slo people down becse, u rectly ere was traiconitoring in theeighborhdnshbury Road. Uh, so hopefly some o at data isarried out as rt of thisrocess aso cart, nberfars, avege speed, etc.. So hopeful th s incded in, uh, as w go down the roa through this procs. And I want to tnk youor an opportunity t talk toou today Thks, Steve. [1:47:50] Adtional comments. Hi, my nam is Did Hugs. I live at 3344 Sible Memorl Hiway and I m right behd the Traport America Buildin So ifou goo t total north andou see Yane Doodle, the it s transrt a I m theour acre piece behind them. And, um, Iustantedo say tha in my onion, ts proct is ju wayoouch, way too much wrongime,ronglace too. I mean,y GOD, you re y re lking about two, not o, but twoigh density apament building Ihink. Guess a rhetorical question I thats that apament bldings or ndos, I gue artment buildings, bch towomes, xed offe usend iou really thinkhis toughnd visuale, it is going to crea jus logja. Yane Doodle I already ptty by. By theay. Ion t know if a [1:48:38] of youet up toankee Doodl mu, or ifou live on that si of town. Itare att all day bause I three acr ove Yankee Doodln 13, a when the s no leaves. So I can t now But in the winter h or lateall, can s 13 an a Yankee Doodle. It right at about maxum capacity, beaufully flowis people comelygow 13 a a lot of them go upankee Dooe, a few more go that way y guys inoduce ts. It s going to just, um,am it u pretty b my opinion. Um,shbury. But to I in defense of thi gentleman, think it w Tom who spoke and you said, let s no get it, l s n get throh that. Ttill become a cut through, MR. Mayor, that going t becomef you if theseeople move in here, that wille the cut through for themo get to town Center. [1:49:23] So Walmart, you know, holiday you namet, you know,ou store c Foo, whatevert is will becauseshbury goes downnd tur into feral. Then youust g over tt bridge So that s the issue I thk h s referri to. I ree with thatoom, it s just way way tooig mean, t y know somhing My brother, he s ret now, but he owned aommercial real estate praisin compa. He said Dav, aommercial realstate. There s a term called hhest a best use. Do you know what tteally mes? I go, n what doest ally mean? Howan wextract the most amount o moneyutf this prorty? And I m sorry, I not sayin that necsarily fatiously.Hat shatos pele I commercre. Loo how cane extract t mos amountfon? And this an example of higst andest use.Nd I itll highe andes use? N n in my opinion. Um, it [1:50:11] sot gngo affecte as mh as theeoe wh live on Ashbu, Crest Ridge, allhese stree, Black Ha whatnotecause Ill, th GOD, got the lightt Yankee Doodl blockg everyby f me toom down myriveway and go whe I nd gut sur be niceo keep a that stuff onhe other sidef 13 ifossible. Um, Io want to a couple ofngs sin I m a the t minute 4dark, the guyho s charge of,m, Gat Oaks. Wh ist? Jior high, sevent grade tough eighthr nih or0thr sometng. Rightow, Ihi sething likehat, heaid. What?Hat wh are you tki abo? [1:50:43] At do you mean, noto me. Somebody ee. Wnpoke t m, he sike, my g, you re kiing. Well, we he plans he. Mean, we we re like sevent grade to nin, but we re goi to mak it high hool two and go ninth. Ts will nork with t kids. Re goi to haveundrs o kids walki ts. T s n going to wk. Whe s the meeting and a this.Nd don t kno I h s here or or if h planning opeaking or what, but tt s wha he . I do wan toay tha wh I did, I didn tvenet a leer. M the first person. I mhe first residenti ildingorthf thi oth side of Ykeeoodle. Dn t t a letterll the peopl on h. So went out. A the ly rean I fou out my budd livesn Jdan Court. He like, h, y goingo th meeting? Wha meetinge tese. I m likou re kiing.E sent to me. I go, oh myod, I didn t g it. [1:51:23] Pointeing, tha first cul d sac, Srralenn No, Ipo with ery one o tm. I inte 100 of the. A I waedll these strts Nobo ihe effort oe savi time.O they only got ry lite left. Guys, nobody wasotified ofhi No, nobo. 99% o t peopl tt real shouldave aay, o at as an iut inhis, were not notifd in any way. What woul likeo propose if poible, if y could tle th forne month a l more t communityet an iaf what s gng on, l the weigh in.Ha would do a he aunt ofilea towar plati a amioting t anger a divion tha could come up. If youuys just go tou with isnd allf a sderound isroken, bausehen you re going toet plethor of ople like, yeah, I know I m rightt the point here, but you [1:52:09] goingo get tons o people who a jt gng to b like, whoa,ou know wha happenedere? S I de nice if you could tab it for a month. Tha wld help mensely. Tt wouldls suage a lotf peoe s ar Here I wen littleit over. I aloze,y t way I love vegan. Love bng he. Ve bee here 2 yea. I wt you to kno something. [1:52:26] Algh I p a bunch ofills athend of eryonth and lo you gs becse my lowt bi is t Cy ofegan i s 5.Hankou veryuch. Said that. Aite louder. Yeah. M [1:52:40] sorr. [1:52:45] Adtial comnt. Ame is.Ar Hkime745 know Drive,aton, uh, Miesota. He. U I thi 5 year a or s whe uh, the Blross Blu Shiel building wa cin up,h,ere, tt, uh,h, t waylue Cross Be Shie approached the whole thing, uh,as probably complely dfent field tt you wou getn t bldg than from wt we reeein here tonhtean, I gla thatheyhowed u the wst ssle ceight here, cause this lks le somein tts jt, uh, uh, going to b ayesore. Iea thehendustrial par the fo bigld buiings tt are [1:53:32] sitting the. U uh, flod by a cpl of b apartment budis and s on. I certainly appcie Sam bringi u the thohtha uh, thi traffic is gngo be ge. Uh,h, innd out o that daynd nig. Uh, almos uh,hatn anyase, u what blue Cross Blue Shid did is they came in a they ppod at they wereoing t put in an artisti blding, and deed, itid w arittural ard The landscaping around it, uh, w awds for landscang and uh, it, uh, I truly beautul budi. N, tsas way fo 35ame throu,nd peopomingown t Eagan at [1:54:18] that teight there,hey sentllere comingow highy 13o get to Eagan. Thould see tt Blue Css Blue Shield building o the, an ty would s they wld se somhi, gee, thi looks really different rht here. I an, it s kd o likehose copperowers that are out, uh, along94 ah, and, ur was it, I it tt is fou 4, tnk in, uh, in, um, En Prriereaomepceh, thhey jus standut whe you lk a them a, uh, u th Blue Css Bluehid ilng just snds o when yo look at. A know,h, the ltpeaker he broht up the tug tha u Gee, hasnyboeayooke at the reuse of thi building? D, uh, theruth of t [1:55:03] matters,ome ofhe tngs th w re in a mimalt, uh, th was sent t me sai well, uh,h, we cld have bk er We could havn office building tre.E could hav resech uni there.He s, uhh, a I m not talng about theluero Blue Shield bl. M tking about things thatouldo into tse ur big huge, ugly lki budisight here. Uh, the could be dayre I there. Uh, er could eve be, uh, u well, restaurants and hels, uh,hatould be bui in er But away, u rtaiy there areom of the right the thaou fiter nel into,h,nto be Cross blue seld builng.Ere s ather thing at mightit in there too. That [1:55:50] s it. Myifakes a ya clas outere,nd sakes it through the u the Ean unit righthe. And thiss almostine. It slmt ricuus.H, firstf all, th ve just creed an pansion over tre. Ion t ow h my millis of doar they spent on that pansion, bhe goe to yog cls,nd, uh,h, she ds it on Mdays a Fridayso evyriyhe sn tre at on a thenhe cesack home and sheas t seter alarm on h phone f tee o he50 I the aerno so s nal in and sn up f th. A ihe gets I a minute le, s is o eher on a wtlt or eentially ou oft for for t month. [1:56:37] Anhis is tss a government meyo this ping fo thi.Ecause as yan see, m a senio citizen and e s also a senior ciz. D uh, I uhe, uh, program essentiallyhe athlet program essenally that,h, tt rightow is being strse tre. U and itou cerinly be sft down t tlue Css Blue Shld buiing. And I m sur peop wouldnj going there, too. Uh, but,h, rig now it s jt simply way overtaxed at,h, tre are w too many peopl thatre tryg to gn up f yog tre. And I m not a b Yogi yogaysf, but, uh,he ind tre s aprely l ofther [1:57:25] pele that arend, uh, it wode aoo place f that to. Thank you Marhank you. Apeciate it. [1:57:37] Adtion comments. Waa Gll,350 Hitag Lane I ve liv in Ean for 43 yea, and I movedhere ter, uh,edar Avenue w [1:57:54] de and,m,verybody went over t Mendota Bridge. That s [1:58:00] the way I w. And Iive rely close to thi place, a I le ts placet s a beaufu bldin The pogrhy of thare is second t none.He people that liveround there can see. Don t. Oh, Minneapolis Okay. And you realngowbo taki tha allway for some short sighted ide of let s buil as mh as w can on thi propty.Ight? Let s build it . Let sui it u Igree withhat,an. W shoul t we lk a repurpong that [1:58:45] propertye have hundrs of tree ohat prorty, and do youhi they re gng to [1:58:55] reinfter ts? No way tha therafftself shod jus make youll gl. Thatin goin to hpen. Oy? I s ju not gng toappe I live here wn Yke Dooe wa o lane a theay and [1:59:14] from 13 u past t u oh, Al Baker s wtever down tre. The wn t athinou kn, tre was oy Carvie was ourhoingenter. Y kn, uh,aiowasn there. An o course,m,ll those other plas. S I ve sn t o delopmentn Ean And I jt telling you, te dp bath,al theite, anell m thaou would really wt toiv tha u for the futurfth generations. [1:59:46] Thank y. Thankou Addion commes I adtion firstime comment. Uh, I giveou minuteor sond timomnt. I m son [2:00:08] Ha Re We ll considerhis a taking back your te,ecause you dn t tak itll before. Ianted t say tnk t the poce bause ty ve been wahing and dling wh problems at t cre Blu Cros Be Shield blding. Thereaveeen uan expre that hav bron in Tre startedatunng a createdth isss. Ts is a blig onur neighboood. [2:00:33] Althgh we aovet. I woed here in the 40s, in the s, 4 yrs ago, installing coutysms. Ias t a resident then. Cho to b a resint. Now we aav to acpt timeshae. And what theest uor that prerty? I m soxced that u reutting in ridtial part o t solutn. Whhe or not y chooso do th business pt, I m ls excid about But I really want usll tnderstandhat we have t moveorrd a get th besse forhe city and r our neighboood. W do ha to undstanhe issues th werrovided here,ut I do wan tomphaze that a this tim if Ion the loery, I wld buyt and keare of the buildg. But I don [2:01:19] thi tha omhing we shoul bonsiri Thank y. I appreate that. Additional cments. Onine youtaed. . I giv y one mut Bu u took you mimumime. To Iax out lt time. Thi I goin toe quick. dike to se you change therocess of tifying t neighborhoo. [2:01:42] 100ft. It s ridiculous. You hear Noby heard. Out it. Ihink. We ce back. Can t sayidyqu aut th. It sustind ofike. Do w trustur government when we re not tolboutt?Hank yo an you. Ippciate I Uh, addiona comnt I m n goin toiv out mines I lling you tha rig n. No offense. No. [2:02:03] . I m de whhe minutes. 30s. Nop. Um. I kidng have, I hav have every belief. I aeady bee mentioned.O I m n. We re not w re notargainere. I appreate it.M, are tre y aitnal cmes from people w hen comnted yet? I mot givingut any moreecon oines Oy. L right. Thank y. I m going to bngt back to t couil fo aitionalonveatns an or motions. But we going srtith, um, uh, the talented Dne Mle goi throughnd intying quesons that we asked,m, and asking those asking tse questis o the approiate staf andr t developer. Um, always, encoura, uh, uncil,h, ifou feel le you hea a questionhat isn t [2:02:50] being addssed uh, plee fe fre at t tim to jum in andnd getlarificationr follow. Just on the top e. It ems like the nification pres cam up repeatedl and I wasondeng if w cld dres thatirstm,ecause I m, m guessin fewer people ad the newaper tse days than they use to. Ah And yeah, g ahead. [2:03:10] Miael. Mayornd couil members. S do follow o staard procs as ruired b state atutes. We d send notification uh, a distance of 350f from the property, not 100. T 1. [2:03:25] Do als pos it in ouregal nepar,ai Paul Pne Press. U an addiol sp thate ve been dngs of the stou years is pcing signag on the pperty indicang that the is a oposed delopnt with a oneumr thaeoe can call. Bieve I ts stan, we putwoigns up. I bieve one I facingind of e corner oflackawk and Blue Cro, and I tnknother e along the Blu Cross.O the sultiple aspts I which we try t at lea do me outreach to, to som resides. And aga, don t in a nification I an invi. It sust aeqred notice. Other way tt pple caisseminate information through, ynow, nghbooo ats o whaveeopl are ways invit to comment at th pubcearing pce. [2:04:08] N I just a a queio Yeah. Have you noted that t sns ar bng turd around? Cause every te I dri by it, the sns are bei turned around,ot the actual facin phone number. Cit ofagan Proped development. Ye, I gss I ll he to ask our staff. I mean,hey g out dlace the sigge Iea I d tnow if maybe wind knocks tm dnccasnay, but the tryo drive b ocsially take sure tt they veeetill upright and it went o.O I cansk them. Ah, they beepright I the other,nd I motoi. [2:04:38] To qstio So. Okay. Uh Die, youan kindf g throug theis And. D cnc c cment o notificatiaterns well. T u Um first, Tom, I heaever inns. The o statement didant t turn int a questi,ecse this o we bee gting quite ait ishats the propod impact of theevelme on t [2:04:59] currtocr fies? Um. , well, I can try toake ab at. I mea m undetandg is slu Cross ntins t o the ppey. Um believe ty ve sically,h,eitated a lee, I tnk, wh theity as wel to he soccer matches again, hd out thrgh t summ. Um, t one qstn at, um, sff slrea been diussing whll this is silly the aangementf e estg, uh,arki l. Uh,ssenal, as youan se the ppertyin kinf ru tough the parking lot, exting pki l. And so onehing we ve aeady been tain to them aut is, you know, howan we work with Blu oss or tity aow that paing lotou either rein, get aess fm their [2:05:45] te ororst cas, g accs rect off oflue Cro? Um, movgn to the queio asd by Bsy. Tre several of them, s I ll just take the in ord. A theeit requemts for t proposed bunessrousing uni? I ll justiveou the maximum under t,h, zoning districts thselv.M, again if apicant com in with thed, me of thosetandds are obviouslylexie, but t base sndar witn the buness park and, u research andevelme is 4 ft heht mimum, uor r-4 High dsityt s 60ft is t maximum. A again,hat u essentiall measured fm the erage, uh, pk o the ildi. Um, and medium density is 3t.Gain.M, measuredo the avera peak [2:06:31] ofeight. Okaykay. Sohe shortnswe is yes we veeight requiment s,e do heeit. Th s what. I wand t provide. Me sur that peoe heard tm. No I appreciate it. I just want to underore. And,h, phapsnoer quesonor plannchtz. Do wenow yetf tre s any affordable houng propose for theowomesr artmentst this Time? U Mayo cncil. It s n known at this te. U wthhere would b tse are markeate orffdable. Ah.M, how d w determine capaty forewerso serve is area? [2:07:01] Well. At woulde a par of the study. Tryio. Followlong i m sti oetsy. Okay.Ha you. Atould be pt of t analysis include withhe our. Okay. Um a how ihe capacity for schools t servi the n homesondered? Um,ayorouil. I mn, this ha been sometng that w discussenternally how maybe we can d betterutach wh the soolistricts to eure at tre iso negiv imcts t the dtrict or, u bacall capacy a t local schools. And I addition. [2:07:35] Ilease. Believe tt ts entire site is rightn the borde between school disictst sll wiin 1. Mhm. Okay. And jus south is91 Mhm. [2:07:50] D shis is, this 197. Yeah Yeah. Thelueross be shield. T ente sites in Scolistrict97. D if I motistaken I I ll I llm. Makeheume fat. I am it as a qstn, butm, my understanding in terf hoolisicts gerally thes day is thatit mogrhi trends going o uh, the qstio isn hether or n ty have tapity. Um,or mor student I that theyave more capacity th ty do stunts. Um, and that s w we see sool diris, u shutterg builng theseays. Is tt what we hr generallyro our scolistrictsnherea? Ihi, Mr.Ayor, thelosi of t sools primari has be in district 1. I hav t seen thelosus necesrily in 1. But tt sd,f thi were to me forward, we hav a [2:08:37] pracce ofeaing out t t superiende immialy ter to sre. The are the thisshat s onhe table being prosed. How wld your hos accommoda? Arehere any concern weouldhare thatnfmation whhe cocil? Okay, gat And just I case sebod is woerg, soolistrt bounri will ner,ve ange. Ye that sorct. [2:08:54] It dsot hapn. , thanksor t clarificion, MRS. Mler. Um. Um last queio fromet at heards, u h is ghting detmine so a not to b drimental to the rrounding neibo? , mayor council, mbe that I heard tha question framed w silly lht standar, like rk sky sndards, basically. [2:09:14] D cit has not adoed dark skytaards. B wo plemtasic lightin stanrds.Ownward cas lighting, limited o foot candlethe propertyine. S as best a w c, we try to mit basically any uard lighting. [2:09:31] Ok. Um, movg on t Yvonne. Um perhaps me a questionor e cnc o w ishe city nsidering mingndusia to the eas side o highway3? Uh,tay for t cocil. U I like tirt at Actually. Ms mker, um t talk abo wha? The oces for delopment, neray speakg, is.M, d,h,owt is thateom toonsir somhing o not I the uerlyg questio fm m shat t cityomow solicited ts and isopin t consider I Um, I not entire sure tt s thease terf whatursu vepments. Mm. [2:10:10] . MAY,he city is ruired by l to rpoo proposals th a brought fward s th applicaon w submitted Theit mt respond to the applications as smitted. Okay. Ay Um secony, uh,uestn was with ath rd being proposed t accesslackhawk as rtf tsevelopment.Ould th roadesige changed to t bte visibilitynhe road And how would tt process ce to be. [2:10:39] All t traffic study aspts woul b included with the a. So wheth o not a rd would en go the, this wld be a rt of that alys. So. Okay. Ok. Um, and wld theity be ceeding a densi ideles with thi develoent? [2:10:56] Um, MAY cncil Um,ga, untilhose formalrosals came I a wectually evaluated tse tseensity requirements as iiced, tt highensi probl will prably endp changingo some dege, buthat wile evaluad with the nex stepn th applicationrocess. Oka And t las questionas ain,ha school disict wi thi nghborhood. And thinke vestablished tha s distct97. Um, s movg on. ,athy had aed some qutions about forl nice area Ihink we resnd 350ft. Um, sohatas been asked and awed. MISTER McCoy asked a the a otr usor t existing offi buildin and I there y reason that I pposed to be tn dn? T response tha Um, Misr Mayor, I belve that would b t se respoe [2:11:41] aseeedoesnd t the opalsrought forrd If ere wearket fsibility for reuse,he building. U, we expect tt tt proposal would veome forwa in theears nce itas bn vacan We haveecvedo proposals for ree of the bldin tnk, if m not mtake I also hea in Sve s queion, , question of could t ty te the ld o rerposing the buildin u Mr.Ay, the cy has not do that forny propertyn Eagae ve hadm, a one pointfter Covid,e had over 2,000,000ft ofacan offic space. Uh, w haveot puhased a tak theead of repurposg any o these ilngs. U we ve by t [2:12:28] city counc direction, t city couil um, decte the let the the prite market handlehat. Ts is wha the are bes suid for. It mighte helpful. Wh, encountered t samessue with the redelment of the Thomn Rters campus, a, uh theid aery extensi udyn reuse um, with brer a various industry partrs. And therobl wh thatffice blding is it s st I s toohi t turn in residential. U y kno because pple need windo acss Nobod wants te entirely closed in, and there be toouc deapace in the ddle of theuildg. Um, plus. [2:13:07] Th Thoon Reuters bldg. Omn Reuters blding. Tnk you. Yepm, this has silar, u similar problem. And the, uh,nfstructure r, foraily life jt isn the. Iea you re tking about whether tre s nural gas feedsr thelumbg. S esseiay, to reuha buding s residentialtave beometely gte and rebuiltrom the insid jus using t shell. U and that I ke Missuttmheai I, I suspect that that s jt not finclly feabl Um, for anody inhe pva marke to want touch it.Ow, at s not sin that tha my preferee. I jus explaing what I leaedrom th Thoon Reuters redevelopmen And Iuspect a lot of t sam factors a ue he Agreed. I [2:13:53] sure couil mbers canomnt o tt afrwards a wel Yh. , MR. MAY, the last question Ieardas from MR. Hugh, and thats wh the coci considered tablinghi it f one mth to educa th comni and aow for additional cmuty iut. [2:14:10] Um. U, m Cit Attorney, I this on alo of som sort? Can y explain wt the imicions are orre not o that clock Mr.Ay. U re wle you re n tenilly onhe 60 day cloc you do he to a on the applicaon. Well, atome poin youaveo take. [2:14:26] Me action on it. Ther s some, you kw. Thepplint norll liken the Pe Lding,he asked for more te. Sohi one, um, it theil of the cnc if you want toontie I Um, or if youike to aonig. [2:14:46] Okay. Um, a then I thi I thgh I heard Mk a aut alrnese and listed out in like bkndaycare. , en suggeed an extsion ofheagan Comni Cenr, Ielie.M, uh, anyhoughts on the eensi on the public use of t siteorn alternativese? Why wld you put sff iha positi? Tt sha s a cocil that s. [2:15:13] Co o undstan Miesa Hocy Hallfame. [2:15:19] . N, w can comac and ask about that,ut gss maybe myy poi, guess, is maybe ss Hudsucker, oftentise have an alicaonnro of us a we haveeoe fro the counith, askg about alternat uses, uh, sugstin things like fre fd stores anhis like tt. Can y maybeal just littleit about h t councileces thesehing Or, uh,f we re rll in the drir s at ohat people ppose o not? [2:15:50] . Mayor theity. Um, I thk ase ve disssedt least in par the cit I not pursuingertain ld uses. We we l the mart determine whathe ld, wha they are brgi forwan proposals d weeact t tse pposa we a required to d under [2:16:16] state law. Unerms of. I m gog to leave ihe .. No. U MR. Mane. Uh, coulou commentn then the Eagan Cmuni Cenr, u revaons and,h, and the ace needs o theomnity center.M. [2:16:35] Uh, thankou Mayor. Council. Um with. E additions thate have recely addedt the commuty nter we weill he eate um, capacity f som classes. Um, thaenge is, , u w have a lge nbe memrs Um,hat s definitely a reality withome of the insance proams tha we d tak as,s,h, a a commit cenr. Um, the, the aceshe classes thate providange n just with yoga. W have kd of you your more tradition aobic u, ta chi. There s there bout prab 30ifferentlaes [2:17:20] th we try t oero having multiple ofverys hard. And wi every fness css the s always tse optimal times. So we d aapacity. Um, oeeavehe the oject fisd, um,ith some theew spaces, um,hat s rrently beingorked o Um, hink w b able to see where canlex a add little b me space, more classes, b, u iner of, general, um,ookit other facilities,ike, Iean, that s a veryarge fily and, uh, yeah.On really wa to touchhat one. [2:17:55] Ah, yea And ll I just I ll tow o Iean, I don an to put sff in aad ple. Um, b I tnk,ou know, as aity, um, we re pret pruntbout what o ysical capiteeds are , a the aunf sce we ed toervi, um,he progmmin Uh,hi a gd examplef that ihe um, recent renatn o the Eagan art Hse,here we add about 8000ft, uh, t t art hou in t tnsition.M, tha 00ft um, or0,000 total square ft. Um, I not a cheap building, uy anytret of th imanaon. Uh, and uh, reor Pimtel hasom to th cncil with, couple of capital projects, u [2:18:40] reirinh, snificant amountf funds. Um,nd u d t cncil has approved thosm, I don t think at this point, u u dirtor forenl has com to the coci withhe proposa that he te on atheruilding, um, and add a annex o some rt,h, in a remoteocion. ,nd d t I not sure, quite fraly, after the aunt ofeses he otn from t Counci on Buildings, um, that he get anotherneor aong time. Um,ecause the do ct monem, a, u money doesn gro on trees It gro in taxyers pocts. U and that o of the thingha we reryg to be prunt abou I terms of manin s I tha washy I putta in that position, becse w take [2:19:26] os space needss a city very sious. Um,nd we n t we don t,m, build in, um, witut a siifant amotf coiderio andlaing, think, Arew. W were talng about sef these sec exnsio pbably 4 o year a ornywa Yeah. Cre. MAY. Andnd if, if I m, u mayor counl, t staffoe a gat jobo finng ailia sce anndorng wit partners. [2:19:55] , w wk witheval, u assted living residential its wre werode css at their sceo that we re not takg up tt space in our n buildings. So I allowss to sveoreeoe without maximizing our sce eve more so. U Io think thahe e efficienc items outhere that cldeould lookt fuher, b I I does hpe Iant to make surhat eryby is are thate do ustome a askor more moneyo build, bld, bud. W areut there looking andinng additional sces to, to toel use and and a serv Anha you fha Yeah. [2:20:34] Thkou. Appreciat it.M. Thosereheuestions I h, . Mor Ok. Uh, Couil Um, I ll p it to youfouave ditial questions tha y wanto a of fks or u uh, launchn the cment Um, sta open. Councilmemb ban. Can w tak break f storytime? Bau. Um. [2:20:54] We cake a al quick. No. If youf yant toell a story,hat fine. I I all seriousness, as council, we wo t take a bre duringhi beuseeon tike to take eaks inheide of. Oh no. No no,o conversatio. S want to b cle about tt. Seous conversatn. Y. To te yr story. Yeah. Counciln backing, please. [2:21:10] So Ihinkt was sethi Tom sa about,ounow, orinalhen the Dta ntal uh, prosa cam in andtas firstui, the we seeng to te accesff of Ashbu.M, nowt was built, I tnk in8. B t public pross lding upot s wayefor that.M,as elected t t council I 98, bu befe that Ierve on the plning comssio So Iot toee both end of I a at the plaing Commission, uh, w weisned t t neighbors an we camep with tde You know, access to Ashry ul be a bad ia, but the veperook some conncin to te aess oflu Cros And s the sutio w came up wh was makhe first little bit of the dvey a public rd,nd lethem name [2:21:56] Dtaenta Dri. That how thatord. Um, m hopg at entlly, wther it this prosah, or sometng else f aeuse for the Blue Cross Behiel ppey, u wean continueo look a creative solio f thatnd yi to findhe right lance bween teed for redevelopment a bng resptffhe ofhe nehbor concerns. So tnks r bngg that u bause I reminded m ofhat. And I s th s a goo sto. I thi the I tnkheouncil me th rig disionack then. Great. MR. Mor. [2:22:28] Counlmemr spina. Um, tnk you.H,ust a couple comments. And,h,h, yb a questn for sff. So, um, a you poied out, MR. Mayor, earlyn, this pla I just bck put on there t show wre use coulde. And um oood example of tt , um, u Cncilmember Bark used t, the architectura term thick to describe, u a apartment builng And ifou lk at thelos for thepartment buildings tre, tt is not the shape o an apartme buildi. Tse are le00 de. Those buildings won t ok anythingike tha s ere w have t bery cafu looking at ts and n sayi, oh,ha s t size thathat building I going to be or that she massing that that buildin I goingo b becaus iton t benythg keha That [2:23:16] s jt aox at sws where building will sitithin,m, younow, th totentialaximum of 500 units basedn onhe mh at they did he. U the estion hador stas about traic which everydy ki ompli inheir commts but none really ki of ask t t specific queson Maye don t kw the awer yet. Isf y lk at thearki lot that is there n f Blueross Blue Shield,t s prettynoous. [2:23:48] It takes u more tn two o those commercia buiin. Um, sar more pkinghanits on t siteheay it sai ou rht now. Sshereny coaron tha we have bed on how many cser there en Be Cro,lu Cross Blue Shid wasul nctioning comredo wt ul bexpecd basedn ts mamu uh,la tt they re shing right now I mn, have we done ttomrison or I at en possible? Uh. [2:24:19] Mr Mayor andouncil mber subpoena Soy understanng hereere 2500 tps per day wnhe Be Cross Blue Shld offices were fully open, fully utize. [2:24:36] Andf w had, s, 600nits plus a bunch of cmercial buildings, do w knowow many ips a day aypical uni gerates? Oh, MR. Mor and Counc member subena. No cment Now, without Tha the purpose o hing t tffic study that wld accompany the r. Sohere s. Yeah. No. [2:24:58] Ok. Tnk you. A then, uh, justast,uess I would cal [2:25:05] it a comnt I u, uh,hat the applicant isskin for is espeally forhe t business portn of this t I the desiatnorusins park. And myndstanding fm the mmts earer is tha even w wer to go tohe Met Cocil a g the permsion t conder tt, an the I comes bac tos and tn w have the supermorit ttays buness Par desigtion dataenter wouldn te ableo go into tse buildin unles eoninghat was lered o top o tt w theonin tha lo a dat center that would ao fall underneathe limi that weav o our current mororm,hi, of course, will probl bve [2:25:52] byhe time ts goehrough th wle process. So, um, pointei, I m comfortable th I conrn aut data ceers in,n this arend cfortable thahere s ough check rht now in t process that a dataenter n t goingoin ofet, um, uh,in of sehordnt he who witho uei ab t review it properlynd ha the opportuni t y know, not aowhat to happen. That all he, MR. Mor unlmember fld Iust haveoollow u withuss. [2:26:29] Um she Blue Cro Blue Shield was fully a capacity, was 2 tri per day. 25 500,500.Eah, tt s what meant. That s wt wrote to. Th soinghe and comg ck. Right? Cre. Right. [2:26:47] Ye So when you hav a he or u re were devopin a t s just s we developingh, townhomes or highenty. How my tps pe day do y u for lculation? . Mayor and couil member fields.O it rans denng uponheypef t home. So theaxum trips per dayould be a sgle family home,hich is a rular househ, and that sbo tenrips aay. [2:27:13] Bu wnou reetti down to, uh, a highenty sidential, you re getting oser t or trips day. So. Ay. Tnk you Counlmber. Justouild onha unlmember Fies and bpnaaid regarding traffic, , it s it s not qten apes to ales comparin because the traff pattes fo um, an oice spa lik Blue Cross Be Shield, wn it edo bes ver different an residential ppertm, yo kno oice spa I duringusiness ds, Monday through Friy, and o t weeken,t s typically vant. U u tse resideial propeies, Iould argue, o mbe lessompabl [2:27:59] wi the exiing resenal use becau all t pple who live there have the se life patternss teoe who ready live in t ridtial areas arod I s they ll b wantg t drive t and fm work ando other this athe same time, a will als be acve duringhe weekends so at I s a lite bit sleading to tal onl in rm of trips peray orrips r wk. U t te of u islso somhing to keen mind Um. Councilmember Hsen. [2:28:29] ,m. Yor, you know. Tnk this I whathe sond hird aem. That. We ve madeo try to fd an apprriat use f that opty. It s t sond onront of e council,orre? Yeah Oka And so we veeard a l ofoncerns aut t evious propols, a we hav heard about tonight. And I, ardha I expecdo to hear, uhe scope o the,f th prosa enhough reust looking alos, is too lar. It s t dense, too mhraic. We tked abou patrnf tffic. U and why c t we u this? W can te uhe building f a diffen purpose? C t. W t weepurset?He yor aressha um,ou know w weo have sgestions [2:29:16] ene ce upo situation li this where tre s a budi that peopl wld like preserve.M, Mca Sool the same w we hea suggestion Well, whyon you me tt second community cenr? Well, you kn, it s something that we ally c t afforo do. Uh, and rll havoemonstrate the ndor tham, I, I gus I m sentio the coer tt he been exessed. U at the sam ti, I can als seeounow, ocdingo letheross rk out to, t s where we end u.Ecau unless we d that, w notoi to acally know wt thepecific propos is. Um, I guess I d li toee us get to a [2:30:03] decisionnhat. So Cncilmemberarn oh. Um,o, I veee thinking [2:30:12] out this aot a, y know, belie, um, in bng verypen and trapant in, cmunicating my vie,ou know,o m fellow cnc mbs and theommutynd like to that n. I think ll probably manag to irritate erybodyn the room, ,oth the resenndhe. P for t crse unciemr bucket.T is. Um, it s hard toalk.,ou ow. Therosalshat come before theounc ande ve d tsappen inther areas of town,tomimesnds up being aea lg kind o inrect conversion between the polymakg brdnd the devepmt cmuni.H, y know, weawhat I u y ow, Central Pk and aumr ther pces aroun town [2:31:00] were, well, pticularly with e Car Grove redelment, uh,hatoo a ver long tim ere were man pposals and counr proposals, ande evenally endedp, um, in a etty goodla. But itook ars. Uh, I thi thissne ofhose spots. Sohi propal dsn txius on its own. It also whi the ntext o proposals thatave comeefe, um,, resct theac tt mostf t resints didn t like the Johnsonroers proposal. U Iuppoed ateast sding thatneo the Metpolin Counlor considerati, cause there are number o things that Iiked abo it. Uh, wt? I tug that oposal g right. And m sanghese tngs tory to sse t t development [2:31:47] mmuny. U thi property wi not redevelop without an tensification of these. The economs and the prite rket jt an t there. S alizg thateality, uh, wh I liked aut the Johon brhersroposal washat although I increased the deit iushedha density as far nor as it psibly could ay frohe residential eas. Uh, I tug they did good job of controlling the durial tff s thatt accessnhe veryorthnd where thehatsed toe soccer fies areig now. An theetnraff, although it ce out, u cler toshbu,h, they seempenohe idea o ving a dected leha wod fce thatraffack noh oflu Crossoad to nkee Dooe,h, protectg eeighborhoods t the sth [2:32:34] an eas from thendtrial traffi or thencreed trfic gerat by the site. Uh,or importaly,he parcel inhe southwest I mean, nothextreme southwt, becausehere s this lileessel of abo an ae d a hf I the txtme southwest cner. I m tking about t the bigr chunk that souwest of the Ashbury line If you we to take Ashbury,o right acrshat pael. Um, I liked the fact at ty simplyept wt used be the dayre center and inteedo use I a a trningenter.He rest was lile b o parking,nd the introded new srts fields. [2:33:13] ,upported that prosal because it kepthe denty of th parcelha was cse to th existing ridential uses, very low denty. Thi pposa [2:33:27] isothat,m, I, I think , fore, I s too mh deity, t close t the isng ridenal use even though aot of that dsi I high densi residenti. Um, s sti very dse hav concns about t traic [2:33:48] paerns,nd, um, I just, I thk in the lonr view, ul like to seeomhing else Um, a I tnk the most fairhi for m to messao the alicas, is toot set th up for alow.O, uh, where we giv the gohend the alica spend a lot of timendoneyevelin a more ful articulatedla only t comeohi council an note able to muster the eour outf fe veo fe a comehenve gde ange So I as it snds, I don teel comfortableending this proposa tohe Metropolitan Councilecause I ast s propose now bause o th denty and a l of the otr things I mtioned, I just d t see mel suorting,h, the [2:34:36] corehensiveuide chae.O I tnkha s aboutt. Cociember fld So back whenhe Vikingsame fore us, yes,here wer blobs bor the res of you saw it. Tse blo moved around because I dn t like the way tir blobs were.N rerd to this, I agree wh Paul. Um, I a your neibor, so Iav to tur on Robin Lane too to Bck Haw to go t . And there a days tt I n t getut.Ohe tffic s horrible. Um, Ion t see this beg a good tng but they wod probablyom back and [2:35:17] tell ust is, um, t park, en I theinter tim I drey thill the time. S [2:35:28] thear is full inhe summer full in theinr,nd there e parking up o Ashbu a e te.M, there s kid plin um, there seoe w wap and dowlu Cross, Blue Shid cstantly. I alwa look myusndnd I alwaysook for t you lady, the lady who wks withhe jumpinooes,hichs. I do t know I yuys kno w thats, but t jumping poles, that s walks them up and down. S thisso [2:36:00] exnseor m u s I as a a devop,ou c pull this down aittle b. You can make it mor um, concior theeiborhood.M, there s ople whe venvted [2:36:15] their te aheir residcy fo yearsere. Um, and wked wihe neighbo.Ou know, Ilways s mt wit yr nehbor fin out whaour nehbs want before you com in and build, or you me a oposaloe t ht youou kn, and Iould I wld recommend I this doesn t, I n tnow how it s gngo go,ut you sul haveone that ely on. I m,efore youamen with hi,his is o bigf, u bck of nsit So tha just my I I will not beupportinghis. [2:36:52] Council. Uh.Hank you. Bievet or not,ctually fgot [2:36:59] methg.M,, I forget w broughtt u Ihink it mht have beenetsynd maybe a few he, but I d have ccern abtffordable hsing. Usllve a ts stage,f th intent of t applicant is include component of affordableousing, w hea about it by n. Um, d be veurised if the intt he wn t justtrght rk rate houng wch is ne and goout its no secret t m colleags or anybyn the communihat myositn for very,er lo time h been tha if a propty inagan er trantion fmn indusial orommercial u t hh densy residential,on t suppt it uess I includes a pren component of affdae housing. I haven tea that th is a parf that. Mean, if we ever get t t point er we re didgn a [2:37:48] comprehensiv guide cnge, um, I would expec that I mus oneote, please. But doot see melf sportg a trsition fm an indtrl commercial u to hig denty hoing unls it incde affoab hsingka , um,h, I moingo probly te a liteit a, um walk dn memory lane a little bit to g toheree ar rht now.M, and I ll art, uh, from two perspectes. Um, I know pele, uh,on t g eited out continuin to tk about th pdemic.Ft a,t was 5r 6 yea ago. Um, but our community I still fli t effects o the pandemic. U anur communi taxpars a incrsily, um,oing to feel the effectsf the pandemi [2:38:35] uh,ased on, um, wha is mmonlyeferd ts a soeningf t office mket. Um,ndn Eannarcular, ,hat softening of the ofce mart focus usn fo dferent camse throughout tit Um,ne washe Tmseute sit ,he oer one w this Blu Crosslue Shieldit And um, and the nor of t u gan Communi Center and Festival grods uh, the mbinationf the Ucef and Delta se, u affectionaty rerred to as the Northwest Spia Aa Pla Ihink I gott rht um, wld I be mirae? Um,nd, u at the [2:39:21] ti,m, MISS Makar brought t th fince comttee which I council memr Bakkennd I, th potenti condrum tt, um, the office mket w fting,m,hat the were numrf,m, oice spas around t cy tt were, u , vacan ornd cacy I tesf use.M, but tt the fr wer particularl of gnicantoc bau in combinion, ty reprented out 4% of En s tax be. Um,ow 4% doesn toundarge , unt y reali tt, um, younow, init likeagan, one ofhehis thatoury toos makeur you he [2:40:06] od banetwe cmercial and ridenal so tt the oper taxes that y clect commercia propertiehich ar tax at aigr re tn resintia properts, u efctivyubdizend take some tax burden, uff of the redentsor the o opatns a demands for seices on theiromes s u bng inig employers caus ty bring I bigax base Uh, and t hopes that th re payin enoh property taxes tha we re ae toake the bden for yr property taxes,hi is higher level of service demand, uh, o of you. Theonrns thatf t offiarket stend Eagan is prey iested in t office mke um, a offe maet value get depressed [2:40:52] then, um, the cit starts collectiess ren o oserorties, but still h to fun its serceo you se shift andt mighte ev s small from the commercial base to residen. [2:41:08] Andn a time offfdability, that prort turden on residentsres up.F y don t, uh, do sethi about it and try t revel those propti a bng vue back them. Um, and, um,s finance cmiee, Councilmber Bachmannd I suesd to the cncil that we look at theseour properes in difrent ways. Um w went thrgh a fairl extense visioni on t Deltand Unisys prortieo yo figureut h they mit transition. Ptf that bause the we already in what we call a specialrea, um thatad hnticipated atind of traitio for yes. Now It was hero the city took a me activ role and kindf vioning ttnd sayi t the delopnt [2:41:55] mmunityhat Cncilmember Barkin refre to, um,his is whate d likeo see. U the city dn t take ohe responbilif bringing tt abou We didn tuy the land. ,ut we did say tohe developmentommunity,s ts is transitning w did invit opleo come in and wor with us to try t meethis vision and this pn. And that took about a yr, year andalf to go tough a tngehe publicn.M, andm, itas a sigfint investment. Um, an u I woulde fabulous if we hadhe staffim and th resourceso d that o evy siten theity o [2:42:35] Eagan. Uhaas um,acing th psibilityf reveloen Um, alas, um, we ha taxpayers who c toot the bl. Um,nfitely. Um, so we limited our eortso that aa bau it w abti t communityenter d a andn important area I the commuty. Notha the Thso Reuters campusr Blueos BlueShid isn t importt, buthey funion ffertl in our comni. [2:43:00] , on the Tmson Rte te, u uh, Tms Rters uh, themselves wt through falyxtsive visni process internay. Um, and they workeit Ryan companies toome up wh a plan tha ey in tur came t tity th. Um, they workedn tt plan for a fai amount o time. Um, and iolvedhe city I thoseonveatns. Um,ut Thso Reuters and Ryan Compan wer reallyhe drivers theonrsation. Um, and to some extt, thatas a, a marketriven aroh. But we al had a gd ptn in Thomn Reuters. Um, the ended uptaying I theommuty We ve had a gatorking lationship wit Thomson uters for dad.M, and [2:43:45] thoo the ce to, uh, to sterlan and tnun I b e cy and involve us,h, an tha s what wet. The ki o redevelopnts goi on outhe right now.M,nd uh, some appreciate that redevelopment. Some aren ts happybout it. Um, some hav evolvingpinions o it, wch is, u something I m grateful for. U but in both cas,he hope w to me sureha w coul answerheuestion, if not thi oice sce tha becomingepssed, then what? [2:44:21] , and um, a tt and on elue Cross Blu Shield [2:44:26] site, um, uhe ownersf the opernd I don thi it s Beross Be Seld o Minnesota. Um, s Ion t want to slit them her b the owners of t site, um, uh, took a sghy difrent proa tnhoms Reurs. Um, itead of dng se intern master pnnin u they inste connu t look fo urs, uh, a to s what th marketould bringnd what theart wouldri tohe door f uso consider.M, and so basically, uha ty said w, um,e don reay kn wha w want t doith .M, we et backo y when w havn wn we have a proposal. Um, and, u ands ss Guttmacher suggested, um, it s iumnt on usoespond to anyropol that abody [2:45:12] make u a apologize f, for, foretti there, b m yingo level s here, um, because I thi Betsy, um, on her secd go rou. So I m grateful I gav you another minu.Etsy,h, suggested sothin tt I thinkt s really iorta for us t a ke in md. Um, and that I th, fornate, or o tim chge, a, uherorty taxhift tha m talking about doesn t jt impact the neighborhoods around Thomson Reers or around Be Cross ue Shield o evenrod Unisys. Um, andm, and the o Delt site, u it impacts t whef the cityf Eagan and al the taxyersn the cy [2:45:57] of Eanhe unfortute par inhe cllge of that is at in thesere tt are ing redevelopnd a going through chae,m, the bden ofhat chaeal priri to t neighborhds that a oses tot. U and thats a heavi burden for tse ighbhos, uh, than its r t oer neiborhds in Eagan that a affected. U but don cryhe bde o th walk throu development. Um, thinkhat th the, t neighbors along Alreen right now are ruggling wit just tt, u rit n am,he sit out ere getedevop. T hope is, is tt when theite I fully redelop, tng wil go back to normal, quote unquote. Uh, and I the counc [2:46:44] di its job, uh,he neigorod wil bempacd ittl a human possie. Bu that sot toay it won t be impacted in seay u andack to Bet s point ingshang and thingsill chge. A my time o this d just tellse that chae, no tter what is, is aays ally difficultm,t s certain andt s scary.M, and Inderstand that, and m syathec to tha u we h ange in my neiboood, um, whenm, u a gol course went away and u aumr hous went in instead. S um, l thatll outoay th Ihink Bsy is [2:47:31] sotely rht. And at some int, I tnk well haveo come toerms with t fac that f theake of the lger community,hings in our ighborhoodsreoingo chge. U and the hop is,s that we can wk tough tt chan in aay that miniz the impac in the lon term on igorhoods, becsee recogniz ttn the pross of change,m, there gng to aurden ofome sort. U ere s goi toe innvience. Things are going be diffentnd ueted. [2:48:12] Um. And s fast fwardg t e Jnsroths proposa um, which ivitably is goi to be tald about tonht, causs Councilmember nson points outhis is at let our sond time loong at ts. A in t meantime, betwee Jns broer a this pposa um, other pple veloateddehat never really me it to tsevel, nerade it t a aeeng whehe council iiscussing it whhe neighborhd.M, t Ihi and I rallt, , well, uh, I thinkhe Johnnrothers prosa I informive here, in par cae, um,t the tim tre wa sigfintppositiono theohns brotherroposal. Um and evenhoh there was [2:48:58] opposition to I a concern outt, um,nd I thi that meersf the couil, um, h some ccern abot. Uh,nd e o t things w d in ts process,ui frankly is w ane to t pitioner, u you kno weight senoup theet Council, b when yo ce back,m, youot some prle. You goi t have addss Und, um, you ght not get wmeception e son time you come thugh, especially if you jt nore all t pbls tt we throw o thet the [2:49:31] benng. U and, u a a lo of the conces rse tonit aroun thi sucke, que frankly, as extremely similaro t sameonces at were vced aroundhe hnso brothersrosal on the Causewa back, and talked ou what se of t potential, um, benefits a upside ofhe Jnson brothers proposalou be. Uut a the time a I don I don t relish in ts, although I neve md feeliike Iight [2:50:04] have bn, um, uealthily. ,rediiv Um, had suestedhat, um, tha neighbs in the nghbooo mitant to gsed to this ncep of cnge tha Betsy I talking abo.M, uot cae it s excin but becae, um, uh, sgeed that time.E carefulha you wi f. Um, becsef t Joson brothersit If the Johnsorothers prosa comes away, ces comes, uh, goes ay, um, theueions always, wel if not this,he wh? A I tnk I sugsted the timehat I not t Josonrothers,m, the s a ssility that we mht get [2:50:47] proposalor upwar of 150 residentialnin the who site. Um,nd I y thinkhe trafficonrnsrod the hnsonropolere big, um, it uil you sta coeptuizg 1500 new sideia houng units Um, and Iay all tt because u a lot o theameoncerns are voed tonight. Um, a Jns brother sropol did g away. [2:51:15] Um, a thiss what is theoretically filling the gap. , ande aays haveo a th queio And revepment, I not ts vion, the what?M,oe ve alreysk the queion. I t Johon Bther the what? And thenswe fromhe propenas been orrom the apicantas been.El how about tsnste? N, o thispecic propol, I gue I ll sugst aew this. Um, um, Patrice, uh, reay prectem, the, uh, fl throated endsentf sideia ohis site. Um, I m affdae hsing adcate. Uh, I m an advat for increingousing [2:52:01] production. Uh,s much ase can.Ometimes Cncilmember Baconnd butt hdsn that. , whis fine. Tt s what [2:52:11] demoacs. Um,ut I a not suhat the enteitoing residential is necesrily gog t aressheonces beinroht up I he. It ll te care ofome, bot l. I thihat if, um,his enre siteas developed as sintial, um, would get ba, um, fairmot of spses fm t neighbhood jts concerned abou theraic, I notor so. And I we did traffic study, weouldind tt tre was even moreraicro that levelf ridential than there woul he been fro the Joso broths,r eve fm is cbitionf residenal and industrl. Tha ot an enrsementf apefic concept o not,ut um, a [2:52:58] m, I meaouncmeer chman will tel you I am one towdsesidential developmt. Und um, uh, so I y know, I, I apecte, Patri, tha you broughthatp. U I als apprecia theuestn. W wod the council consider [2:53:18] industrin this se of, u of 13 when I s acros t street I tnk Yvonne aed at qstn.M,nd Jl ga a good aweor.Hy wouldou csir it? It becaus an alicant bug it rward, andt s ourob t a astondert doe t mean encouraged it or we lk rwd to I Um,ute do ve to think aut it. If somebody ask t question, wh would yhi about industrial o thiside?Y personal opionn industrl ts side I that Ippach it wh a hlthy level of [2:53:54] sktism.M, Iaw some o the same pential benits fr t Johnson, uropol, in ptecause it was a prosal for light iustrial, butt least itas an opation tt we kw we undeto. They had site desi tha was seemingly more compatible Um, and I thought affic lds tt mht be wer tn I the site h gone l residential um, and tha was bed on kwing theser and knong their buses and knowing wt ty do.M, that wasn t athe time a endoemen of industrial being moved acros the stree from industrial That s on t west [2:54:37] side of higay 13. So, u thropolor industria is different. A ll I lliv [2:54:47] kit,m, the, the t coues undstding that,m, ts relysn t even a proposal ye I s aonce t p in me industrl,ven tughe don t kwho the use is. Um, Iouldrgue tt spelati use o iustrialivese grt pse.M, bause uik eohnson broer propey, Ion t have t ability to undetaha kinds o busine mods mig be going onhere, wt kin of uses mighte gng on tre, cae is essentily spulative. U a I m asked to bepen t a land use tha is ver very spelave. U d I willay that I m not re where theot areoing to go on this. Um, tight. U but one ohe things tt uld say ifhis dido to the touncil and then kt [2:55:35] comingack to us,s tt, u Ki I m highl spectacle of induri use or sptal, I should s, ohendustrial e. A shen itame back, th would b somhi I really pss on a l a say, unow, how dou guarantee th ts is going toperate the way tt yuggest I is? [2:55:53] , and Kent s jobould be a ton easrf whenhe came back, theyctlly h users and the c say, ts is a business that wou occupy this Thiss a businessou occu this. Ande cld lock that in. Um, we reot the right now and I m not sure if we ll g tre. Um, but at some point we do hav to fin a ace where w are a least comfortable about tki aut the posbilies u and we l haveoccepthat there wi be a poi where sethi comes forwa and there has to behang on thi site. I we don um, that svice to taxpayers, we re tin to d by keeping o tax be lning cmercial,ndustrial, uh, [2:56:39] is goi te compromis. Um, so, u hing lood at Joso Brothsnd gotn the aner to the qstio if n th, tn wt? Uh, I hav this proposa Um, I n coince that ts is t righhis, u wt m trying to figure o. And I tnk what Ki ais u boss are trng to figur o I if n th wh indusial and sidential, then what?Nd, um, I ll sgest tt thisas en a good advcentn tha nversation. Um, but I s not aesolution to it. Um, and if thoe away, then I think [2:57:27] everybody I this roo h t aner the questn. I not this, tn what?Or at least thd te, maybe a frt or a fth, dending on how my [2:57:41] prosal come fward.M, so I guess, um, where I m coming [2:57:50] down onhi, is that,m. Though tt mbe Johon brhersould work the and ul use seork. Um,ut the answer w not this. Okay, k comes in withhis propos. Um, I tnk therere some ieresng thingsbout . Um, I stillan t getve theum of indusial thats undefid and doesn t have user and doesn have edictability. Um, Iike the inusionfesidential. I ink residenti,m, pbably wouldeseln ts area. [2:58:28] Um and Irobablyom down wi council memr flds thatm, me actively engagedffort toaste pn how tse useould mix um, wouldesel. U we can all sues any nber ofhing An we can alsougst that maybe sometl wldo in rer maybe se banks. Um, I remind y allha um, uh,reamre gat. Um, but, uh, I y don t havehe capital,ou d t get t decidehat goesomewre Uh, if you a t willingo buy it d build itoursf. U then, uour dams are jus thatm, and um, tt s just e way thing wor in a catast siety Iean, you [2:59:16] know, I believee, um, I can t stand car washes.M,nd when mebody sroug I a car wash propol,m, Iould have lod it if the hadrought I a fsh food snd u but um, I wasn t t one foo I the bl, s I did g to dede wt tyere going t bring in. And lo aehold, um, there sancyew car wa, a I he erybodyho go thrgh it enjs it. And they heic clean cs.M, weti need hlt food I this. In ts city. Um, n offeeo our sermaet Um,ut I,ounow, we Not in theonvenience of bei able to wis things into extenc unlesse re willing to back the u withhe capil. Um, a that s kin of the horns of the conunum. As Darr Hunter wou s to m at Mankatotate and the [3:00:01] jurisprudee cla. S Ihink er I m comg dn on ts [3:00:06] ishat,m,h, I m not thed aut this cce, [3:00:14] kit. No offense.M, and u do t know I deling thi conversationor twoeeks woul beroduivor us I the room f u onheouil oror kittens bosses. U but I puthatuestiono you, ,nd seef y see any utilityn that. Um, MAY he already answed it. Um, or if, um, I you wan to goack and an, and talkithou bosses about coming forward wh a diffen concept pn. U beus um, I m jusot feing tha this ishe it. Um, I dohink weav to g to a poihere we re ae to sw that queion. I n this tn whand we he to t cfoable wh someort [3:01:01] wt at som pointn te. Um, we c t ctinu to kic thisoad. Ts can,ow the road for decades. Um, I know s attractiv to think abo rein t building.M, in this officenvironment, especially after t blding hasffectively beenutted, I thin, by urb exprers whh is aroemnds an issue.M, uh,eu o that ilng. I mea tha building isbsolete. Um. I s nttic. I mea it is icic u a I s also time to, uh, to b itarewl. Um, e Thomsoneurs bldg waeautifuluilding. Uh, enoughquar footage I that [3:01:47] as tDs tower. Um, and tt builng too,as obsolet I haee its te. Um,nd that sow thingshae. Um, it s notlway great,ot wa exciting.H,t sisky andt sncertain.M, but, um, mot excit about thi concept.M,ut I eventually weaveo geto o that reaybe notxced aut that w can t t work [3:02:17] wi. Undo, u I leavet a tt and s I anybody eean to mak a commen, bau I ve ge o fo far too lon Council member subpoa. Um I just wder I uh, since it apprshat, u even I this wer to beot o affirmativy to g to the m Counl, that tham, I would b a, bare majit Um,nd likely notchve t permoryha wouldeed toccur lat, assing t votes wanhe sameay ifhe applant might, um,ppreat e opportunity t retnk the [3:02:57] rein the prosa. . Mayor, cncil mbe. U ppreciate all theandi feedck and discussn.Nd t the communi. Um, I thi I lightf tommes, wld ve t oortunity to table it I d t know wha the ountf timeight be, but to bebl to kindf rethink, dius as a lger gro, g feba from, you kw, Jill aniknd, u iorpote the feedbace ve heardere as well. And Uh, so, u uh, do you uh, I you d le,it, Ihink we can wean talk about, u about a contuance.H, I d igi beyondalking to Jill and Mike, yourobly haveome someoss who wou, uh, who want to kw what the fack was here tighth, and e, um, a game p for what? Wha theirespo I [3:03:44] Um, wouldou w to com b inh, inwo weeks o in month or.. MR. M, MAY I? S. So the actn tonight,ou have o would bene topprove, which gives three v, or you would direct findings,hich is not denial. Okay. If the applican comes back with thing dferent, sff wod liky make derminationhat tt nee anotheublic heang bore e a.O there might be somethg whe I m not sur ing it I going to accompshuch bauseou have the same. You h to a onhis appcation Okay. I the acation is substaially dfere, we g ck tohe Plaing Commission ah Right.Eah. I tnk I undersodhat. I thinky [3:04:30] suggestion was just tt n not thathey ceack wh something difrent Um,ut, you know,he appcaas me disions to me. I ink.M, so, Bob I think if I hear y right,m,aybe what we cld do is, um, perhs dirt findisf ct b, no, that,m, tt at lst gives two weeks to the plicant t makee desion on wtherr not they wt toithdrawhe applicatn. Eier ttr you table I I e alicant withdra, uh, withdrs prior to text etg.Y. O weould tabl ts in the nex mting And ainghat t appcant ll bealking to staff so we reot spendin dollars doing finng Inderstand. [3:05:14] That she. That yh, I mean I y kw, ife if w did finding tonit there would be a can in my in myon-lyer vercular of bng,m,h, dismial withou pjudi. U butm, ,eang, you kw,ou , you reelco toomeack with setng ee,utt uld b a diffent pross. [3:05:38] Um,nd s uh, however we g ere, I don tlly care wha e actual pross is.M,f yo wano continue usil o weeks or more fro now, we nome bk a thate if u wt t cnuesuing e process. Uh,hen the counl would have t voten whhert s a dia orend to theet Counc.Y ne cot tlse that.Robay t goingo g to t Met Counci Um,ut I wt t bl schl, soy mh isn alys great. . [3:06:11] Uh so. Uh, uer this snari you t, y ve got t.Ou acalot fr. He would dr it rightow He could a at be tabled the next meing t see were wants to withdraw.Rior tt, y nect fdings of denial, or yav t three v to ave ten it up. If you auay deny. Belie under our ce, tpplint could not rly for one y Um,ea , I wou advocate then tabling. [3:06:45] Clarificatio Ife deny ts propos they can come rwd and prosenying. That corct. Uer o ce. I mairlyertainft. I d hao doubl cck it bween no and t nteeting Even iftnvolve diffent parcel. Um,here more alition fees. I wld have to b Iftnvolved difre parcs. Tha aompletely diffen alition, but s sll It mig be helulor sta d counc toind o lk ov t ce befe comg up wi aefinitive awern that.M. Shod weable Thisable? [3:07:21] So um, yea myreference wod bf it ska withou, [3:07:26] t,h, to tab this,m uh. Ntinue I to t nt etinuly 7th Is I ctinueo theext meetg. Wou beourction im. Theext meeng I I n ly. JULY ne 16t Ju 16t Jun 1h. I m sorr Jun 1h. Ye. Soontie to Jun 1h. , doehat givounoug me t wor withour nagent? [3:07:45] Bieve so, atea to be le t disss wit intnall and wit sta take a cisi prior to o t com ck All rig. Um, I enterin a tionoontinue to the Jun 16th mting Send. T s ctinue o table. [3:08:00] E y making. T motno contue? Sai I d entta it. Ght. Okay. So med ank you.O,o tha some mod. Sond. Uh. Tha coinui t t 16th. Rrect. Eectily I tain buthater. Poto. [3:08:17] Tatom.H, additnal coents Mions madend sended All iavor say aye.Ye a. A opposed n, nam, motn caresn a to vote. Um, thanks. I apeciate you cing in nighhaou. Um,hat ends oonveationere. U I do wtohankou allor mingn tonight I know tha this I aong meeti. Uh, I owhat it lot of confusn and a l of, um, uh, seingl gbesh. U b it s atas aroctiv convsationig, a I apecia yourllngagg it a,h, and next te arou, uh,opeflye ll b ab t enge I a, I a prodti way. Um, havingone thughhisowor a second me, u I ter oind of nct. So, u tha you mh all f yr patnce tight [3:09:06] Um, thank y.M, Cnc, th es o new busins for th ening Uh, we he no herusiness, neglati, Intergerenta affairs date, no ecomicevopme thory.M, I ll me t our minirati agea, Miste city attory. Anything ndoodal hour n I m. That all rig. [3:09:24] Uh, city cncilomnts.Re there any rket ft startsomrow? P. Get outhere and getou pruce. Yep. Um, ms cy minirato ythi? Nothing. Misr mar. Uh Miste dirtor ofubc works. Iaveothing t MR. Mayor Uh,iss. Directofommunity developmen Nothg,isteayor. , are theny,h. I ing tosk Uameras a ming dow n. Maeai to see if the are any. I n? Ah. Are tre any vitors to be heard tig? Good. W veo d tha then. Und thenh, no csed sessi toght? Correct. [3:09:57] Ve to adjrn. Cond Moved aeconded.Ll I favoayye.Yeye. Oppod. N. Mion carriesr