[6:05] Mayor: Center of San Diego, From o of ouronferences. It s finally s all right. A Ion [6:22] t want to.Ome on. I pdge allegianc tohe flag ofhe United States o Americ And to the repubc forhich ittands. One nation der GOD, indivisle, with liberty and justice forll. [6:42] Mayor: Am. I want to wcome t wcome, everybody, tohe MAY 19th regula meeting of the Eagan City Cncil. This is our second and last meeting of the month o MAY. Uh, we have a fairly bri, uh,genda tonight which I domined, uh, on the front end by the swearing in of,h, Egan s new [7:05] Mayor: fire cef, uh, as well a um, uh, appoiing, uh, some new an firefights. So, uh, that s at least one of t reasonshy the room is so crowded today. U I do want to, u ne that, um, while we said the Plee of Alliance, um, at Councilmemb Hansen s reques we will not be tking about the four way tt night. [7:27] Mayor: Uh. Even though, uh, we he a number of Rotaria. Actual, I suggested we do at. I can no longer do it from memory. Um, but, uh,ut Iry to le by it a well. Um, but I want toelcome totarians th have joined u andhe firefighrs. Uh, it s a big night for the fir department and for Ega Uh, and then we have a veryrief agenda. Uh, after those activitieo, u with that, MISS Miller, are they chaing the agea? No, MISTER Mayor. [7:56] Council Member: Council. Any changes? The agenda motion. I ll take a motion. Councilmemb Hanson. Adopt the agenda as presented. Seco. That s moved and second. Uh, is tre any additiol coersation on the agenda? Seeing non All in for, say and opposed. Nay.Hat motion carries, and we he an agea. Uh, I move right to, uh, the aforementioned, uh, recognitions and presentions. [8:16] Mayor: Uh, first up is thewearing in and the administeng o the oath offfice. Uh, to Egan s, uh newly appointed fire chief uh, Hly Mholland. U Holly, welcome. Uh, and I assume that among t Rotarians, there s also som family and and friends built in. So welcome to tho folks as well. Uh, I m going tourn it rig over to Dia, and, uh, you c get us start. [8:36] Administrator Miller: Grt. Thank you, MR. Mayor. Members of the council. It I myrue honor tonight to introduce Holly Mholland as Egan s nex fir cef. Uh, chief Mholland brings me than 1 years of fire service exrience and a strong retation for thoughtful, ethical, and people centered leadship. Um, Holly comes to us She s been with us for the past years. A little or a years our deputy chief But prior to tt was wh the City of Rochester s fe departmen wher she rose through t ranksrom firefight all the way up to dutyhief, lding through major emergencies, regional emergency managemen efforts, and certainly the unpredented challen ofhe Covid 19 response. She also helped oversee strateg planning,rganizational development initiatives and a $23 million department budget in Rhester. And now, since joining the Ean Fire [9:21] Administrator Miller: Departnt,ollyas alrea demonstrated incredible llaborative leadership and operational excellee that makes h such a strong fit for our orgization and community. Uh, a Egan s deputy chief o operations she oversaw response efforts for mor than 77,200 emergency incents each year while building strong relationship across the departnt a the community Uh Chief Mulhollandolds an executive master of Public administration fro the Univsity ofouth Dakota,nd is a graatef the National Fire Acade s prestigious executive fire offic proam, something we re all very proud of. She w also selected to rticipate in the Internationa Aociation of Firehiefs Fire Service, ecutive Development Instute, and wt MAY be one of my favote details. She holds a bachelor s degree and a comptely different profession [10:09] Administrator Miller: ofessional horticulture proof that leadership can gw from many different paths. So ouide of wor Holly enjoys spending time with h family, including Rory, who s a certified live finearch and rescue canine.O,n behalf of the city of Eagan, we are so excitedor Chief Moh s leadership and the fure of this fire department. And at this time, wouldsk ourity erk, Bethen, who to come up, and she will adminter the oathf office to Holly. And then Chief Mulhoand wil have aew words to share with [10:40] City Clerk: Council. Have y raised youright ha? I, Hly Mulhoand. I. Holly Mulholland. Do solemnly swear. Do solemnly. Ear tha I will sport the Constitution ofhe United States I will sport the Cstitution of the United States. The Constition of the Sta of Minsota. The Cstitution of the Sta And that I willaithfully and impartiall Andhat I will faithllynd impartlly. [11:01] City Clerk: Discharge the duties. Discharge the duties. Of the offe o Fire. Chief of t Office of Fire. Chief f the City of Eagan. T which have been appointed. Which Iave been. Appointedo the best of my knowledge and ability. So help me. GOD, to the bt of my knowledge andbility. So help me GOD. [11:35] Chief Mulholland: Congratulaons. Roy, you guys are gonnaake it rd to get throu this. Thank you. Thank you. Um. Thank you, Admistrator Mler. Um. Goo evenin Mber. Uh, mayors, members of council.M, tnk you for ts opportunity to rve as a fe chi for ts exceional comnity. Thank youor the trust you ve placed in me to lead this azing organization. The cityf Eagan is a specialommunity for my reons, and the peoe her are dinitely one of tse reass. The Eagan Fire Department I noxception. The gan Fire Dartment is made up of dediced, carg, highly capae people who strive for exllence ery day. This community has made a gnificant investment in public safety, andhose vestments hav built a fire [12:20] Chief Mulholland: department with a strong foundation.His foundation will carry us wl as we move into the future and continue to pursueest praices and optimi optimized services to meet community nee. M committed to using data and best practic to gde our work, and to strengthening a team that is capable, connecd, and resilient because theyre the one responding toeople s worst day. They are theritical thinking professionals tt so many ryn, and they arehe future of public safety in this community. The staff of the re departmentnd the city of Eaga as a wlere dedicated to community service. This I seen in theutwardrovision of service, but also the day t day operaons that it takes to [13:06] Chief Mulholland: make that provision of servi possible. They are ao dedited t supporting one another. I felt that support from the ment I jned the city of Eagan. I owe auge thank you t man people in this community for helping me ansition into my new role here at Eagan, and for making me feel so welcome. The kindness here is second toone. [13:32] Chief Mulholland: Ankou to myublic sety rtners. Some are here today for all ofour suppo a for continued partnership I look forward toindingven mor collabative ws to connue providing highevel public fety services. Tha you to allhe fire personnel for answering all of my questions and helng me learn mor about the Eag Fire Department, and for you patience and grace. [13:56] Chief Mulholland: When I started, and evenow. And tha you a for listening to a story or two about a dog or t. Um, toy family and friends and mentors, many of whom areere tonightnd some watching fm afar. Tha you. Yo suppo has shaped my fir rvice career and my leadership journey. This isn t somethin that I cld have achieved on my own. I fee like I should look athem. Um. And while I have receive many words o congratulations ove theast several weeks, those also belong to you, my s and my husband Thank you for making ts possibl Tnkou for you patience. Thank you forour sacrifices. I apprecia it. I [14:42] Chief Mulholland: m truly excited for ts next chapter. Theagan Fire Department has so mh to be proud of, a together we willontinue to bud a culture of exclence and kindness as we serve this [15:06] Mayor: mmunity. Thank y. All right. Holly, thank you. Um.H, I, I just want to say I, I, I won t, t I think speakor the uncil. Um, when I say that we share collectivy, I think, uh Diane s excitement about your comg in, uh, as our fire chie u learned about our re service and about you, uh, inn excelnt intervi. Um, d, uh, and one of the factoids that youhared with us about women in firefighting, uh, and, and women in firefighting here in Eagan, uh, still sticksith me. Um, and, uh, and it s one o the things that I appreciat you sharing wit us. U I w t go into it rig now, b, um, I really look forward to learning [15:52] Mayor: more about the fire service from y. Uh, and, u and, u equally as excited that you joining u at Fire Chief. Thank you. Anyther comments? Lcome aboard. Lcome aboard. Welce. [16:11] Mayor: Yeah. And aga. Uh, I ll me on to our. Second itemf, uh, recognions and presentations. I belve that secd im I the first official duty, uh, of ou new fire. Chief. Holly Mulholland. Uh, we ll move on to the swearing in of newly aointedagan refighter Brandon Ramirez. Uh, and, uh, ainister the th of office for fire Capin Eric Pves. F his purpose. Thank you. Uh, I apogize, the pronunations aren t always provided f me. Um. Uh, Diane, am going t you or a I just going straight to her? I,h, ief Mulholland. I ll letou take I Thankou. Um. And it s a it s a joy that thiss my first ofcial duty. Um, it sy pleasure to iroduce two outstanding individuals this eveng. One is just beginni [16:57] Chief Mulholland: eir journey wit the Egan communy, a one is marking an important milesto in the leadersh path. Befor I intruce the though, I want to thank their famil friends an loved one Um, because as I said, uh, nonef us do this alon Servi in public safety is t easy.Ndhose who support our firighters are so important while ty walk this path. That means MISS Holidays, school eves,nd facing unrtainty together. So want to thankouor everythgou do behind the scenes so they can be he forou.Hank you. Refighter Brandon Ramirez joined the Eagan Fire Department in Februy, a ter completing department and joint acaderaining, began responding with h crew in early APRIL Brandon brings [17:44] Chief Mulholland: prior experience from the Newpt Fire Department and from svings a mter mechanic in his famy s automotive business. In his time here, I don t thi I ve seen h witho smile on his face Colleagues both he in Eagan a from previous partments have remarke nsistently andescribed Brann a quote, a good one Um, Brandon, I m excitedo see what you accomplhn your career. The cy of Eagan is fortunate to have you. So if u d like to ce up, we will [18:18] Chief Mulholland: admister yr oath o office. Thank you. Actually, if you come up, we will do your pning fir, Beth reminded me. Um, so painti, uh, firefighter Ramirez tonight is his mother, Yenia. [18:34] Chief Mulholland: All right. So don [18:46] tneak I there [18:58] City Clerk: ght. I, Brandon Ramirez. I, Brandonamirez. Do solemnly swear Do solnly sar. That I will support t Constituon of the United States. That I wil supporthe Constitionf the United Constitution of the State of Minnesot The Constution of the State of Minneta. [19:15] City Clerk: And that I wl faithfully and impartially.. That I will faithfully and impartiall Discharge the duties. Discharge the dies. Of the officef firefighter. Ofhe Office of Firefighter For the Cy of Eag. For the Cit of Eag. To which I have beenppointed. To which I ve been appnted. [19:31] City Clerk: To the bes of my knowledgend abily. So helpe GOD. Tohe best o my knowledge a abilities. So hel me GOD [19:48] Chief Mulholland: Congratulation. All right. Ilso have the pleare tonight to introduci you of introdung you to Captai Eri Pvis. Uh, Captain Purvi joine the Eagan Fire Deparent in AUGUST of 2023 and was promotedo captn this FEBRUARY. Eric is deeply committed to hig qualit service both throu his own actio and tough developi oers. Heerves as a field training officer and an structor in the Joint Fire Academ shaping the next generation of firefights. Er is also a valued member of th Dakota Cnty Speci erations Team, with advced expertisn rope rescue. He brings not only professialism, b also ughternd kiness. Thi blen of compence and leadershipade him an excellent choe for captain, and it s w he was recently [20:36] Chief Mulholland: named theinnesota America Legionirefighter ofhe year [20:41] Chief Mulholland: for 2025, 2026. Eric. I look forward to seeing y continue invest in others and strengthen this organation. The city of Eagan. Isortunate to have you. Come on. Thereou go. And pinning Eric tonight will be his sonraham. [21:03] Chief Mulholland: Oh. Don t step. Watch out. Dad Picture takers are having a fid day tonight. [21:16] Chief Mulholland: Ah. Th s. Thkfully, we he paramedics [21:24] Chief Mulholland: in.Lood te as. [21:38] City Clerk: He. I Eric Purvis. I, Eric Purvis. Do solemnly swear. Do solemnly. Swr that I will support the Constitution of t United States. At I will suppo the Constitution of the Uted The Constitutionf the State of Minneso. The Constitutnf the State of Minnesota And that I wl faithfully and impartlly. That I will faithfull a impartiay. [21:58] City Clerk: Discharge the dutie Discharge the dies. Of thefficef captain. Of the oice of captain. For theity of Ean, t which I have been appnted. Tohich I he been. Apinted to the best o my knowledge andbility. So hel me GOD To the best o my knowled and abilities. So help meod. [22:23] Mayor: Coratulations. To Brand and Ec.H, congtulations. Uh, and thank youor choosing Eagan. Uh, and r your public service. Eri apologies for the bchering [22:39] Mayor: of your last name. Um, I did want toust, uh, concle by, um acknowledging, uh, the um, the famies thatre in the room tonight, uh, as well a the pubc safety office. Every time we have the opportunity to swear I a public safety ficer or firstesponder, uh, theoom is always full, and it s full of fily. And I think it s important to acknledge, um, that, um, whethert s fire or police, um, it s all publi safety. Um, and, um, we honor t commitme and svice of those ofcers, but also recognize at they re partf a family, and thatamily extends to their family. Um, andt s impoant f o police officers and firefhterso ve the suppo of their milies.M, and it s so critical, uh, andleasant and fun, uh, whe the re inhe [23:26] Mayor: roomonight, it mes the meeting reall fun. And I want to acknowlge and thank the families a well, uh, forhe suppor that youive your family member, uh, in serving our community uh, a putting themselv on the front lines as first resnders, uh, in their csen professn. I s quite the commutyervice. [23:42] Mayor: Uh, and theamiliesupport that as well. And we want to acknledge that.O, u thks so much. A congratutionso both of you. Uh, and again to Chief Mulholland as well,h, any additional commes? Thank you. Okay. Uh,ith tt, um, we are at t endf recognition a presentaons. We re gng to move into the consent anda right now. You re not all here for that. I can go tre really slow and let the room empty out. Ifou have somewhe else [24:15] Mayor: to go. While they re leaving, uh, I will just remind folks that theonsentgenda is a series of items that are on an agenda, but notarticularly controversial. Uh, a mostly [24:30] Mayor: hoekeeping. Um, so we deal with a nber of ite all at the se time becse we don t antipate tha there I much ntroversy around them. And I still trying to fil , I promise things. Um, yeah, exactly. Um, I think there s cake inhe building somewhere now They re going faster. No. Ye. [24:52] Mayor: Ah. I. M going toove to our consent agenda and hope tt everyby in theoom canear me Um, are the any membe the public tt are here on an item on the conse agenda and wted to see that item pulled foreparatection, o haduestions on that im? [25:12] Mayor: Tom, what item? You don t have toome up yet. Jt what item is I? Ite item. G. Um, any other ones? Uh, I ll bring it back to the council counsel. Sameuestion. Are there anytems that youanted see pulled from the consent agenda? No, sir. No. [25:30] Mayor: All rht. Uh, Tom, n you can come up. Um, I going to go to em g. Um, and, uh, uh uh, atnd to Tom s, uh, desires on that. Um, and then we ll figure out if we reoing to pullt and pass t rest of thegenda or what we re gng to do. [25:46] Mayor: So the item g I had is, is t item closed? I m sorry. The item closed now? Yeah. Th the. Ise, is it. Relved? Um. But have. Bobbins. Ye. I m gon I m gon turn that 1 to 2 hou. Cy atrney. [26:01] City Attorney: Uh, MR. Mayor, the action item toght I to approve the findin of fact. Theity is no a party in a lawsuit by the owner, Egan Capital llc. It s my advice that we do not tal about that openly. Um, that is onlyalked about in alosed ssion for me or the other lawyer is prese. That mak sense. Tom. [26:24] Mayor: Yeah, I drove by the other day and it s qui. Anston, quiet. Thank you Uh, with that, um, uh, I mpen to a motion o the on the anda. Councilmber uh, to adopt the consent agenda as presented. Second. That s moved and seconde Uh, anyurther discussion on the consent anda? Seeing none. All in for, s aye. Aye, aye. Opposed? Nay. Tt motion carrie uh, and we ve adopted the consent agenda. Uh, with that we hav noublic hearings tight. We have no old biness. We havene item ofew business. Um, its a hearing on an appealf city codehapter 6.5 rental linsing. Euse m Um, I m goin to turn this to Diane Uh, a we llet started. [27:08] Administrator Miller: Thankou, Mr.Ayor. Members of theouncil, um, the actn bere you tonight is to eithe revee the decion of city staff and determine that the apicant is only requido have one rental license for t rent units located at4, 68 and 4470innamon Rge Circl Oro direct the City Attorney s office t prepare findings to affir tha a decision of city staff and prent findings for consideration by t Council at its next rular meeting. I m going t turn it over to you, . Mayor, if that s okay, to our city attney, Bob Bauer, for additional information, please. Than you. Thank you, MR. [27:40] City Attorney: Administrar Miller. The action, as MISS Mille incated, is to either rerse decision or direct our office to prepare findings. So we have here is location map The apllants thewnerf operty. Well, llc s are the owner of properties a fou ur, six eight and 4470. [27:59] City Attorney: Cinnamon Ridge And what happened is Cinnamon Ridge 4470 wa a renta and registered in 2015. Wl, it wasegistered oncee adopted the ordinance. And then there was a separate rental license for46 and 4474 70 on m 7th. At that time, the two entities, uh, two separate LLCswned the unit. [28:24] City Attorney: So if we cou go to the next slide, uh, just kd of giv a it s a it s a twin hole. So they have two sepate pin mbers. So it swo separate entities. They were owned by two Lshat last Thursday there was a deed tt was transferred fm the one llc to put them allnder one llc ownership. Um, so whate have is an ierpretation of city de tt h beenirst by staff, and then they sought an opinn from our offic as to whher 1 or 2 renl licses areeeded because it is twin [29:01] City Attorney: home. And so the issue falls on what is a single rental dwelngersus what is a [29:10] multiple rentalwelling. So by statoryonstruction, if it esn t fit the definitio of multip rental dwelling, the it s a sgle renta dwellin that has separate lenses. So our code says multiple rental dwelng means four or more single houseld dwellg units that are contiguouy attache by commo walls awned by e same person. So tt definition does not fit a tn ho. So therere, by definiti, I isur offic s opinion tha this is a single family rental dwellg that requir two separate licenses, regardle of wther she just recent transferred them to e llc. So you hav two serate pin numbers, two parate rtalicenses tha [29:55] City Attorney: must b obtained. So, um, we ve consistently adminisred tt rental dwelling license was opted inuly 23rd. We ve done tt. Um, the reaso so before you tonight, the only issu is whether youffirm city staff dirt the findings or whether you say no, she only has to pay one f. So, u the e is n before you tonig. [30:20] City Attorney: The fee, uh, was adopted. You adopt a f schedule in the first meeting in DECEMBER. That fee is fixed. Okay, so you d have too back and cnge your fee schedul if you wand to change that. So the fee, t license fee for single rtal licenses $165. And for multiple, I s 210.Easons. It s mor work for staff to go to a single fily dweing to to too insctions. There s more rooms. There s more more, more sff time. That shy that fee is a lite high. [30:50] Mayor: Uh. I m sorry Bob, can you repe those numbers? Uh $165 for a single rental license and 2 per building, plus20 per unitor a multiple.Nd so that s the ise before the council is if staff I ourffice crect that this twin home both four, 468nd 4470 eacheed a single family rental license. So with that, I m happy to stop and answer questio. Ts is a fairly unusual process. It s an administrave appeal. Staff determations by code com to e Council for deternation [31:35] City Attorney: whos right. And so staff said u need t. They asked forn opinn from our oice. MISS Hill who draed t ordinance. Based on your inten and what you wand, what y wanted in tha ordinance is ves the opinionou need. Two. There are t separate, two separate pin numbers, two separate dwellings. Um, they were under different ownership until last Thursday. So with that, I ll answer any question But, MR. Mayor, it s s your meeti. Howev you want to hear it,ou can hear from theppellant t add, I don t know wt we re going t hear other tn we thi it should bene. Um, or council ca just takection. Uh, so up to you your meeting, how you want to run I [32:20] Mayor: So, um, this is a different kind of hearing tha the ones we oinarily offer. Usually I woul take a presentatiorom staff and then a prentation from alicant and ask t counciluestions of both. Um, becaehis is a different setting than that, I thinkt be to, uh, assure the, the, the appellant, um, that, um, I llive you a cnce to, t speak. U but I m going t ask, um, that the couil he the oppornity to first um, ask questio of the attorney or staff to clarify wha the sues are and the interetations are, and then we ll come to you and, and take your, f lack of better terms, testimony or comnt.O, uh, council, um, questio of [33:06] Council Member Spina: staff, uh, or of our attorney before Io t the applicant and I llo Councilmeer Spina d then Councilmemb Baker. Um,ust. Just one on onhe definitions that we presented tos. The second one that says, ll just read it, itays single rental dwellingeans a single detached dwelling or up to three contiguslyttached dwelling units, etc.. Um, and it sous like our interpretion I insteadf yingr up tohree, I mea we re interpretin that as meang or each of up to tee, rit? Each of the units up to each of tho thr units or two units couss a singl dwling unit. Right Well, the y I I m, m maybe make a [33:52] City Attorney: assumption, but t t appellant see to beaying th single dwelling uniteans upo three, you know, whichs of crse nothe position that we re. That. Correct.R. Mayor, Councilember almost you have to work backwds. You have to ok at the definitio of the multi, rht. If you re not a multifamil you re single family and you have separate pin numbers. You reot three contiguous. Youave separate n numbers, two separate dwellings oy. [34:20] City Attorney: Thank you. Councilmember. So to dovetail onhat a little bit I I underood tha predural background, tt separate p numbers. Um,r operty identifation [34:36] Council Member Baker: mbers.M. The uh all the grndsnd theroperty I in fee simple ownership. There isn t a dicated commonrea like you d fd in a mti multi-mily dweing. There s no comn area management. Um, we are talking aut even [34:56] Council Member Baker: though the the units mighte have a commo wall,hey are separa units. Corct. And the, them differee of [35:02] City Attorney: opinion from the applant is th the policy should be dierent. And that s kind of a differentuestion than I the pocy bei applied correctly. Mr Mayor? Couilman, that s a fair I believe tt s fair characterizaon. I d t know what the aellants going t say. Sure. [35:20] Mayor: Um, I mn, I when we first stard the, uh, rental ordinae, I mn, I think we alys understood that there MAY be tweaks in the future as the firruck. Yeah. Thank you. Um, as our experien with it evolved, th s reay, reall distraing. [35:37] Mayor: Ough. Um, but tha s a separate convertion. Um,hat s looking at rininghe ordinance, n how it being enfoed as it sritten. Now Thats correct. Okay.Kay. Thank you. So I going to be t third I the row, b I think maybe I have this clear the basic position of stashat this twinome represents two separate single rentals. And the fee assessed for the renta licensing was two times 165. That I correct, m Mayor. [36:17] Mayor: Okay. Um, have clear definion and a car understanng. Thank you Any additiona qutions? No. Oy. Uh, with that, um, does the appellant want t make a comments or, uh, u for lac of better terms, tesfy. Thank you. And Zoe, is that correct? [36:40] Zoe: Yes. I go by so easy. M re estate bror, and I happen to own a coue ofnits in Eagan.M, so I what I hear fromhe city attorney is the denition of a single single dwelli unis anying other tha mul units.Nd, uh, unfortunately, that s not what the cy owners say. If that s what your intention, you should chang the oinance ying tha all singles dwellings are those that doesn fit t multi-family units. You know, dinition. [37:20] Zoe: But unfortunately the cit cod ordinance doesn t say that. I actually gives y a very clear definition of single dwelling unit, which includes one detached andwo attached and three attache owned by the [37:42] Zoe: single samewner. So tha we ca I mean, it s verybvious and I s by plainext explanation, interpretation. It s single family twi homes, plexes or triplex that are owned by the se owner is defid as a sgle fily dwelling. A that why the rentalicense fee is suppod to be o single fily or a ngle dwelling. Uh, rental linseee. And becau the city staff ismplementing it differently from whathe plain xt indicates, it creates a ve irrational, uh, and [38:27] Zoe: logical fees for tnomes and triplex home owner So for one twinome, we re paying $50 more than the tha the fourplex. And then f triex homeowner, they re paying $200 more than a fourplex owner. So that creates something that s very oddo understd. And I understand that t city staff has elained that, oh, it takes more admintrative cost to administer. Uh,uplexes or triplex, which ownedy one [39:13] Zoe: owner. So thehing is, when theyontact the owners, ty onlyeed a contact, one peon,ecause that one pson owns both sides or, you know, three units. They don t have to contact thrifferent people. So d tee there a cumutiveore cost assocted with duplex oers and triex ners compared to fourplex or even mulfamily complex, you kn, apartment cplexes. So defitely. And also single faly singlwelling usual are, you kw, family oriente and not le a huge apartnt complex. There are less issues [40:00] Zoe: for sure. Based ony yea experience I real estate as a re estate broke and property management. So I think the cos associat higher withingle dwelling t me is kind of overstatement.M, and then wanto raise this issue not just bause me, my own prerty, because itffects. I m going to I m gng to ask that we tryo limiturselves to thessue a hand a not get into what I calledn my bate days, extra topical ises. I wean keepocused on this ce and your prorty, as opposed to going io theoretical tangents about other possibilies, I wan to lit our our limit. [40:46] Mayor: So what my issue is, you know, theefinition is there black on white And Iean even in Engli, it s not my fir language. Secd languag I can still understandt. So I thk, you know, if the city was to revise yourrdinance with the help was from the city attorn, certainly it should. [41:08] Zoe: And,h, bause it cates a lo themplementation is not clear cut to lsf homeners. 66 dupx owners e paying double or trie, uh, t single dwelling, uh, rent license. A I think it sot fair for whene re small busins oers. We re not like lar cporate. And we sav enough money, try to, younow, buy a littl bit in real estate and try to rt it out and you know,upport supplemealncome. And I think that the way we, uh, implemented, um, I not consisnt wit the cit ornance and the definitionf aingle dwelling. And thank you very mh forour time. [41:55] Mayor: Appreciatet.H, Couil, uh, adtional questnsor the appellt. Uh, and or staff. Um, I had one, I guess um, for, u staff Um, mbeor Bob. Bob, previously.M,et [42:19] Mayor: me frame I this way Um, our interaction with the appellant [42:26] Mayor: begann MAY 7th of 2025. Is thatorrect? In terms of rental licenng? Correct. For our current curren code? Ay. Um, and, um, do I understand y correctly that at that time on Mayth of [42:49] City Attorney: 2025, um, each pin was under diffent ownship. That is mynderstanding, MR. Mayor. There are two separate LLCs. Okay One for each unit. Um, and that status only changed, uh, in the lt week. I believe it was last Thursy. [43:05] Mayor: Okay. Um, so jt toirror back, this pross was alrdy in place. Correct And already procsing through when the ownership stus changed last Thuray. That s correct MR. Mayor Okay. Thank you. That s my only question. Councilmember Backma I gue I want to d into tha a little b more. How muc does comn ownerip reall matt? Because a pperty ownerould ownwo units that were or three units that were in different parts of t city. And and they d be treated as sepate properties. They, you kn, if the twoots were combinednto one common property and had a two apartments, um, tt might be a differen conversation.Utt it s not s much anapshot [43:52] Council Member Backman: picture of t, the ownership and the form of the buiing right now. The fact is there s two separe tax parcels. They re capable of being transferd and owned separately. The fac that they re owned by a commo [44:06] Council Member Backman: entity is a coinciden. Um, so I thinkhat the facts apped to the existing policy,m, would suggest support for the staf position, that the policy ha been applied correctly. Now, there MAY be, um, w MAY need to take a secd loo at the ordinance itself. But if we revisehe ordinance, I suspect at things willrobably be, um,ltered in a dirtion other than than what the apllant might want. Um, you know, hypottically, if somebodywned all four units in a quad, would that be considered a multifamily, or would they still have to pay the separateicenses for all four uni? Because it seems [44:52] City Attorney: like the cutof is three. Er like that? S. Please. Uh, Mayornd councilor. Uncilor bacon. Yes. Uh, for the the definition of muifamily is at least four unit Common ownership Contiguo. Y. So someone who owns a fourplex owns ery unit a fourplex that would me the definition of ltifamily. Ao, a 50 unit apartment buildin owned by one owner woulde a family. We have other cirmstances in town where we hav say, a ownehip condo buildinghere there are my units that a owne Some, like w have mbe 20 units that are owned by the same owner. Um, but they not contigus. They re not there. Ery singlene of tho is single units en though they re inne buildin own by theame owner. They not [45:39] City Attorney: coiguous. It is. Those a all each indidual single units. Yep Okay. So it s a convsationor another time. But I m wondering I you know, there bh a fm and function.H, aument going on here. And I wondeng if in the far fute we d t land on the fact that phaps even if it s a qd, it s not that much differen from a triplet or duplex.Nd even though it mightave common ownership, they should beeparate licenses, becauseo me, multifily, um,ou have commonrea managent, you ha commonreas that are owned by no one fee holder in partular, unlike the the quads and the dlexroperties where ty can be splitnto two separat properties under [46:26] Council Member Backman: fee simpleh, where one owner has the wholeundle of sticks, , in a commo area property, like most rental properties are, and even a number of ese, u condo situations, they stillave common areas. Um, that to me is a differentiating factor. And mae something we need toake intoccountf we decid to revisit the policy.Ut the answer tonight is the I think the poly was applied correctly. I jt talked lot. [46:55] Council Member: Cocilmember. Um, yeah, kind of, uh, going off what, u Councilmember bucket? Uh, I agre I thinkhat based on staff s interpretation, it s theolicies being appli, how we intend it. I do see um, MISS Z s point about, um, having up to three units paying a greater feehan someone who has a a mulfamily, say, a four unit.M, andossibly if the, uh, uh, ordinan is revisited, a simple way to adess that mig just be puing a cap on the single dwelling and say, you kno they re treateparately, but [47:41] Council Member: the fee is not toxceed what the minimum fee would be for a multifamily dwelling. Andhat way,t least it removes the kind o somewhat, uh, um, disconnect between having ngle three, 2 or 3 single units paying more than a quad, a quad building. Um, but that again, that s whe future data, ife decide to revisit this. Um I just I mea I ll continue I down t, dow the aisle. U there are a number of what Iefer t as ext topicalssues her um, with th ordinance and,nd I think council members and staff are more than welcome to takehose up uh,n a difrent venue thanhis, um, spefic to [48:27] Mayor: these issue Um, I find the, the,he staff interpretation d applicati to be consistent wit the spirit of our rental licensing ordinance [48:39] Mayor: in that, um,h, we view whethert s whether it s defined as multier defined as single, u u a unit as a unit,m, rardless of nership. I m also a little bit troubled by the fac that the ownership status of this seemed t change. Um, during process,m, and, um, tt, um, ,taff s ierpretation came out ding whe the ownerip, uh, situation was diffent. [49:07] Mayor: Um, and, um, the cnge in ownersp status seems to me to be um, uh, inaropriate whi in the same process Um,o I don t I don t view the cmon ownership right now as material to the fact that whe we started out ts process, it was under different oers,m, andherefore fit int the, uh, single family, uh, or the ngle rental definition,h, and the spirit of, um, the council. That s a challen sometimes with, um, plain language intpretation. Is that plain language interpretion can be interpreted by difrent people diffentlyecause they undersnd plain language differently. Um, ando, um, my, my view would be to, um, [49:54] Council Member Fields: , toffirm the city sta s, um, interpration and rulg council memr fields and then Councilmember Hanson. I guess. I ll mak the motion. So ifou want to go first and then I can ahead. Okay, I ll make the motion. But first we hav to I agree with staff 100%. Um, this is a rental. So they re getting [50:14] Council Member Fields: rental. Um, incomeor this. And so, you know, believe our aff hasone due diligence when we did the rental licensin ande all questned that bk inhe day. We had a ll meeting on rental linsing. So, um, I m going t direct the city attorney to of the city attorney s office to prepare findings, to affir the decision of city sta and present findings for consideration by t City Council a its next regular meeting. [50:38] Mayor: Second. That s moved and second. Um, comments. Councilmemb. And just I agree with what s been state Ion t have a basis to toisagree with staff s and the attory interpretation. Weay needo take an additional look at at the ordinance, but that s for another discussion. [50:56] Council Member Hanson: Ah. Um, motion I madend secoed to directhe city Attorney office to prepare findings,o affirm the decisionf citytaff, to present fdings, to consideratio of City Council at I next regular meeng. Uh, all in favor of that motio saying aye Aye. And opposed y. Um, mion pses.M. Thk you. Tnks for comg [51:22] Mayor: . Uh, with that, um,h, we have no other business tonight. No lislative and intergovnmental affrs upda, no ecomic delopment authorit I m goingo write our city, our city administrati agea. Uh, MR. City attney. I have nothing,ister mayor. Uh, cy council comments. No sir.H. Uh, MISS City adminisator. [51:40] Mayor: Nothg, MR. Mayor Uh, MR. Dector of Public works. Uh, Mr.Ayor and counc meers. Happyublic works. Oh, yeah, that sight. I wished it a couple weeks early Wherehe best. Have. Been in my car. Wow. Right. Big rig rally is. [51:55] Director of Public Works: Thursd. Is big rig ral. Thank you. Go There you go. There you go. Uh. Sen at theaintenance shop. Okay. Excelnt. Um, ms, direor of community delopment. Nothing, MR. Mayor. Uh, excellent. U visitor t be heardn. It s not on tonight s agea. [52:13] Mayor: Take theamerasown. Cameras? Yep.M, yeah. So, um, withhe opening o filing o uh, for office u today, u listening seson ceras will go down.H, and then, u we adjourn the mting offamera, correct? Corct. Okay. Um, so, um, I ll ask cable toake the [56:39] Mayor: cameras dn. The thi I oppose. Nay, that motionarriesnd we a