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Welcomeo the MAY 12t Um. Uh, worksho meeng of t City Council. Um, were here in Public works night. Unfortunatel uh, Council member fies, uh, couldn t join us for the momentous activity, uh, tonight,ut I m surehe, uh, I missing it eatly. Um, that said, uh, we have a very, uh, updat focused, uh, agenda tonight. Um. MISS Miller. Any changes Agenda . MISTER Mayor. Move!
[7:55] Council Member: Adoption of the agenda. Second. Move and secded. Any further discussion on t agenda? Seeing None. All in fav? Aye. Opposed? Nay. Motio rries. And we he an agenda. Uh, let me checkn and see I there are a visitors to be hear on items. Not on tonight sgenda. Seeing none. , we llump right in to our firs item. Uh,ndt ishe ectric vehicle transition stud Uh, and, Tim, I bieve yo re gonna ld us int this.
[8:20] Tim: So. MR. MAY, members of the council. Um, the cmatection plan includes a goal of converting 25% or more of our gasoli vehicle vehicle and our fleet t electric vehicles by 25. And in ordero achiev that goal, um, team of city sff, includi Jef ooker, our superintendent of Streets a Fleet, Julie Castano, our sustainabity manager, Brian Thome, chief mechanicnd shop supervisor, have been worng with the consulnt Mcuryssociates to identify a strategyndut togeer a plan to achie that goal. So withs this ening is Mcella Boyd and Dan Reichmann from Mcury Associates. They re going to b joining u here virtuly to provide an update on the stus of that reporndeceive any feedback from the council that you MAY want to have incorporated into tt plan. So
[9:06] Tim: I ll tn it over to Marlla
[9:14] Marcella: and Dan for our preseation. . Yeah. Good evening. Thank you all so much. Can eveone see the seen? Okay. S, wean. Okay perfe. So my name is Marcella. I m aonsultant with Mercury Associates. Again, I m joined by Dan, and ll let him introduce himself. Uh.Ood evening. I m d Rehmann. I m Mercury Associes, director of advisory services. And thank you for the oppornity. And I will letarcella do t rest of the speaking.Opefully. So it sack to you, Marlla. All right. Perfe. So, f the of you who don t kno rcury I a fleetonsultancy that was engaged by Eagan Uh, we partnered with Swatch Labs for ts project, which is a fleet electrifition software fi, to asses where the city is at in termsf fleet
[9:59] Marcella: electricationnd their actual charging readiness. Um, wh will wal throughoday is where theitytands.Hat nd of opportunities exist, and howo moveorwardn a y that is practical. I you ve any queions throughout the presentatn, feel free to stop me,ecause my plan right w is justo run saight rough. Soeel free to interrupt. Uh, the ppose of this aessment, thoug was to evaluate how ready the city is to transition par ofts fleet to electri and to support the city s Climate Action Plan goal of electfying 25% of the light duty fleety 2035. Uh, so to do this, we reviewed fleet operation We reviewe the vehicle suitability, uh, infrastructure rdiness,
[10:45] Marcella: financial impacts, and any long term operational consideratio.O the resul that we camep with is a pse plan that showsow the city can transition vehicleshile king sure the infraructure, infrastructure and operations
[11:02] Marcella: are ready to support it. So what w evaluat, um, w apprched this from really real wldractical persctive. So fors, that meant undstanding how the fleet is actually used. U identifyg what vehics are good candates f electrication, and determining what infstructure is needed to support them, includin lking athe electral cacity at eh facity. During this process, we met with dartments. We conducte site visits to see how this are functioning on the ground. A then, because theity doesn t currently have any telematics, uh, we used fuel tnsactionata from t last yearo analyze the different vicle utilizati and usage pattes for the Uh, we alsoooked at cost and ission iacts associated
[11:52] Marcella: with electrifition. And, um, here is whate found. So at a very hhevel, eltrification is very achievab for the city, escially based on how the different light duty vehicles erate. Uh, we identified 24 vehicls strg ev candidates, with 17 of those potentlly being ae to b replac by 2030 just based off of their age ane. Uh,y ansitioning these vehicles, the city isrojected toave about 20100 in lifecyc savis, along with reduction of aut 54 tons of co2 emisons. Sohe good news is this can all be done tough more of a phad aroach, uh, where we can target specific
[12:39] Marcella: vecles and lations without reiring a large upfro investme fromhe city. However, therere a couple challenges that we came aoss and wanto make theity aware
[12:52] Marcella: of. Uh, onef thosehallenges is tt some of the facities ve limit electril capacity, which isoing to make adding se of the chargers more dficult. Als at this point in time, there s no centraliz charger management system. S right now ta for the charger is spread across a coue of different platrms. Um, there sesla, there ChargePoint, there s Ford. Andverall justhe overghtn those programs is prettyragmented rhtow. Uh, the sustainabily director currently oversees all charger related issues,nd that s n going t really beustainable long ter forhe city. Um, from an oration standpoint, fleet sffing is alrdy etty constrain, and elecification is going to add
[13:39] Marcella: anotr layer of complexy, and tn departments are going to need to share chargers. So clear policies arod the use, um wille important, especially as me vehicles transition. Andhen with EVs, intenance is going to b a litt different.O there ll be some dferent requirents um around specializ training an different safety protocols. So let s te a look at how we entified wch vicles we re going toake the bt
[14:11] Marcella: candidatesor thi. Um, so w evaluad the vicles based on three facto. Um, one, can the vehicle mt daily needs on a sing charge? Two doesn take finaial sense for theity. Andhen three did we have enough reliable datarom fm th fuel transacons to feel confiden that I was going to be a good fit? So using that approach, the vehles, um, re identified quick.
[14:38] Council Member: Ishere a way thatou can ma your screen larger? Maybe not a little bit. Is that as big as it gs? S. It s on Yeah. Sry if it s hd to see that.M,ut that s how we identifie t vehicles that wer the best t. A the we worked with e city to confirm which vehicles were actuallyoing to be a goodperational fit If u can see some of this exple, um, thisasne of the highercoring vehicles at 99. And for t purposes of this study, anythin above, um, eight and 85 combined score was considered a strong candidate. Uh, that mea that it was both an operationit and it me seero a cost persptive. So that sow we prioritize
[15:24] Marcella: vehicles across tight duty flt.Nd thenrom the,e loed at wt the oraonal impactser going to lk like
[15:37] Marcella: for t city. Oy.O fromn operatiol standint, there are aew things to kee in mind.O the vehic are gng to need t be chargednd managed rularly. And most of that crgg I going t happenvernight o after hours. Uh, so maintenan is going to shift a little bit. So there s a lessik preventive a routine maintenance wh electric vehicles b again, there s some new trainin and some different safy requirents. Uh, there also going to be a greate need for data oversit.M, incding support looking at like rformance trackin and decisi making overall. A thenacility readiness is going to b really importa as the actual ectrical capacity and the lout isoing to
[16:22] Marcella: rectly affec h charggs implemend. And then let u ow you how wha thisooks li. Um, from a fancial standpnt. S it seally goin to be a phased aroach rather tnne like large expense. So there s a few pies to the invtment sid Um, up fnt the cit is goi to needo install, uh, chargi infrastruure where it s neede and the potentiall offset any differces inehicle cts. Um, somef the ongoing investment um,re going to be tining, maintance suppt a that da ersighhe good new is it doesn reall need to a happen a once.T s rlly
[17:08] Marcella: goingo be staged out. Um, becae the vehicles are going toe replace graduly. Infrtructure I going to be addedtrategally overime as t demand incases at differt locations Uased on the current vehics tt were identifd.M, no additial charges are gng to be aicipated to beeeded til aund 2029, wch ges the cy te to bui a song eratnal fndation before theytart scaling into a bun of chargers. Um,rom a financlerspecti, again, we reooking at that $20000 in lifecle savings. Um, e, eyave a lot fewer moving rts. Um,nd lotess intenae. So that s where a lot of those savin are comg
[17:55] Marcella: om. And then a mor vicles trantion, um,o EVs into the fleet, theperational savings areoing to begin to hp offset tha initi investmt. An then ovell, financily, it s rlly reprents strg portunity f the city. Um, particarlyithinhe lht duty fleet However when we look a t hvy dut and things lik fir appatus, the pictur looks a lite bit differen So as ptf o study, um, we lood a eltric fir eines, a while theechnologystill evolng, there s lot of chlenges current with tm.
[18:36] Marcella: E,m, they requi a really significan um, infraructure spifically becau youave to he the d fas chargg, which is pretty expensive and uld definely require eltrical uradest t different statis. Uh,he firengineshemselvesre a t morexpensive tham, relar onend the return o investment thate know of rightow is prett lited. Uh, bause of thaur recommdation is not toursue ectric fe engines athis timendnstead fus o lht ty and a support vehics, becaus that s where the cy is gng toee t most imdiate benefit a cost savings. Um, this is somethi that can be revited in the futu as technoly improve and the costs hopefully start
[19:25] Marcella: to come down for tho. U they still prett ely in th market, soexpecthem to make pgress. Butgain, just not athisime. And then with tha I min wean walk throh what our recommend
[19:45] Marcella: paould b forwa. S the wayo reallyhink about ts trantion isoingo be in ases. So first it goingo start wh the foundatio and strate. Uh,o one of tha will beinalizing exactly ich vehics are goingo transition Um, putng those pocies in place and then making decisns around tngs like how t maintence is goingo be hdled and tn the da. Um, as ptf tt, would strongl recomnd nsidering a fleet dat analys to help tra,m, peormance with t electric veclesnd suprt t decision makg, especlly a um electrifition evolves.
[20:27] Marcella: And then ashese vehicles gino be replace chargin um, putting t charging inastructure where it ededs gng toe part of . A thenrom there, the fos shifts on toperations using data, rining whateve presses g put in place and th making sure everying is gog to beunning efficieny. And then lger term, theity can connue t pand and rssess t technology as I elves. U especily for t heavy dut vehies and fire apparatus So this approachs rllyoing to aow the cit toove foard wh elerification wioutakingn too muct
[21:09] Marcella: once. U overa electricationsery acevable for theity, especially inulfilling the Climatction Plaoal by 2035.Here s a clear path forwd tha allows t cityo start small and scale over time. Um, by focusin o the rit vehicles, adding t frastrucre where it needed. Uh, the city is gng to be ae to mage cos, redu risk, and still be o trac to meet its goals So it really goi to b a gradl, maneable transition, not a morverhaul a all d it gng tolign wel with howheleetslready beg replaced today Uh, s ultitely, bottom line, the city is wl positioned t continue advanng its
[21:58] Council Member: elecificatio efforts Uh, Counc uh,uestions coersation Uh, Council meer subpoa and then. Thanks Mr.Ayor. Um, 2 or 2 questis. One is youalked about infrastruure and you mentned the fleet data analys s tsere thing at the cityt some pnt will hav todd.M,o w have as these vicles are ded graally?Oe not need to add those rht awa It sods like irastructe. We do t. I mot sure about the eet da. Fleet da Anast I assuming a ataff posion. Am I right Corrt.
[22:39] Tim: Or staff respoibility? I me, you could addt as a duty to somebody elslready, right? Right. Rig. So with tho be happenin in steps the as we add, sayen vehicles or whatev it is,hen weave to make these jumps with these addions. Is tt wha you envion? I don t knowf she can hr m s s. Yeah. Oh you can know..
[23:00] Marcella: She c hear you. I can hr youo inastructure. Yes, oiously. Um, steps I gng toe,ike I sai the fir charger that will b needed jt bas off the amoun o chargs you all he right now will note most likel till around 29.
[23:18] Marcella: Right? Um, for theleet data analt, that somhing we thin you all shoul sta oking a sooner rathe than later. Uh, especlly if the city has any plans to pursue rolling out this le tematicsr thing of tha nare. Dan I ll let you spe a lite bit men tt.
[23:38] Dan: Yeah.O, um, to to achievehe result you certain in ter of the infstructur you have time as theeller said,nd you canhich is, wch would be benicialecauses technology elves, costsill come dn. So fute addions to infstructureill bece eaperndost likely bter asoth the chargg technoly an the vehleshemselve
[24:02] Dan: evved on the dataide. Um, stleets could alws benefit fm a mor defin analytic approh, and having someone responsle for that, whether it s anoer duty as asgnedr or until the fleet grows orou get the telatics data, having a dediced person for tt, you starto seehe benefits of tha posion as on ashey ce on boardm, particularf youoove with tematicsndmplement th across the city, t wealth ofata that prodes and t ability to hon in o not just vehicle eiciency opportunies, but o driver havior opptunities and ai idngpportunies toave fu and acciden eenses, u will come become manest with that person. Andustf can addn my cond questn here. Um, you so mentied maintance or Marcella menoned maintence.
[24:48] Council Member: Um, I m assumin with ectric vehies. Tha s sething perhaps in-hous We don have lot of thaxpertise or infrastructu. How is this someing? Ishere going to b lot mor maintenance bei outsrced thaneaveow?
[25:05] Marcella: Soor electc vehics, we recommdhat a least. Well, dunghe vehic s wranty peod tha itoes t a dealeripecause I I a differentechnical sll set. I d kwhat t most recen uh technician hiredy the ci doe he aord ev Pro rtification, s tha is a benefi to the city. B it s a differen tool set. It s a differen u shop layout. You wod need to modify the exting wkspace to equip, um, a handl electri vehicles Because of t nate the btery and t vehicle d the, quote unquo, onge cabl, the orangiring. Um, there are outsourced solions that helanagehat for municilities whe en aft the warntyeriod, yould ha, uh, serces thatould either ce onsite to pvide it or wld be ae t d I ofiteorou. B yes. Um, while the areewer
[25:53] Marcella: maintenance costs becau of feweoving pts, the whether or not, you kw, 4 o 5 years from now, as youet into that rst out of warrant period, youant to invt in frastructure upgrade for the mainnance shop. You know, we r recommendion typicly is o keep that outsource becaus there s s many vaable considetionsn doingo. Oy.
[26:16] Council Member: Anks, m Mor. Councilmembe. Um you mention $201,00 of vings or the life cle. What h many yrs I tt. So tt t city wou aually see that reflect savings o?
[26:37] Marcella: By 2045, because that puts throh allf tho vehics that would beeing transitioned to electc. And wh thatumber takes int acunt is t purcherice. Um, the operationalactors likehe fueling um, maintenae.Nd then I takes into accnt insurce on them.
[26:55] Council Member: Ay. So about 20 yea, all in erating cost. I noticrom yourtudy that, uh, youooked at a periorom Novemr of 2 to Octer of5.H,uel cost we csiderabl low fo intnal combuionngine deviceuring tt te period So mssuming that if el cts rainoughlyhe me, that those savin could potentiallye even greer. Is thatrue? Corrt. Well, fuel remai as high ashat. I hefully it doesn t. But,ou know, the higheruels, the mor you ll save u depenng on the pact of fueli and you sources o electrity. Yep The electrilates.
[27:35] Marcella: And as part o you study, did did you accnt for the ft that um, that there are specic ev chargg rates for, like, ornight chaing that cost aiscountrom the typical electc rates Yes. And w aaysddo tha Tohat ende always recommen um,hen y start getting a largernfrastruure of pels, you get smart panels at, younow, at thend of th day,:00 4:00. You plug e vehic in, b the arging actuall doesn t begin until those thoow, um, ov hou, ornight rat kick I to maxizeour benefit.
[28:13] Council Member: Ay. And then my last estion, a the. Um, I ow that some ev vehicles allow fackdoor acces by theanufacturero do ford firmware updates. Um, I, I he some ccerns aut using those for plic safyehicles. U yo know, whether whether or not they squadars,ut, younow, even,ike a battion chief s truck m just a little leery of manufaurer having aess to e firmwarre there EVs th don t let manacturers phon in and changour fiware?
[28:54] Marcella: Um, I cerinly know t nufacturer tha do. Im not suref on the ev side, law forcement inarticular, not necessaril t best candates for ev foratrolurposes, although the do makhose, uh, the e blazer, um,or police use. Um, t alityo cotrain thaccess fm OEMs toopdatesver the air, so to speak, is apted. Actuall do a littl bit more research specifical o at arand vel to to be ableo answer at. I kno Tesla s all it, but I wldn tecommend Teslas for youm, we reooking at more I terms of the Cvy lverado, t Cvy, t ev blazer, wch I do not believe allo tha or he the ality to constined. S I wld hav look. Okay, tt
[29:40] Council Member: s just a new Or Ford s n proct for diontinue t lightng. And theniveeeksater announce the wle newlate of vehies. I don know why they didn t combi those annocements. Um, buthey have t bee they hen teen on thearketnd the haven t de it toarketet. I spectt secause it s s aantageous to be in the nepapers tcenstead of on. Howbout the about the amoun of constnation that first nouncement caud? I m not so su it wordut for them, butossibly. That s marketi. Yeah. Any any press is good prs, I gue. Rht?
[30:15] Council Member: Um, okay. Thank you t, uh, e bacoor aess iss I st somethi that dike to kindf keep onhe back burne and g an awer t it bore we pl therigger onhis. Buthank youor awering my quesons. ,heide clarifyin queson, I guess. Um,nd I ll get t you aerwards. Gar , uou mtioned,h, 24 hicles identifie as ev ndidates. Um, andhen, um, am I rig?7 by 2030. Yep.
[30:48] Marcella: Corrt. Is that rig? Potentiay, I we just are oking at an age bas creria and nothing els So s we re looki at, a um, making se tha t g combustionngines a at the end ofheir, the proam life bore we,efore we trantion. Right. W re not trsitioningarly to get to electrifation. Is thatight? Yeah. Yeah. Tse a meeting your your age replaceme criter. Okay.M. Um,nd thend tn the othe the remaining sen,h, wod be transitioo graduays the as the reac their age critear they re at the endf their usef to us life.
[31:28] Tim: Ah. MR. Mayor members of the council. So they menoned a couple of times the a creria tt the vehicles wod meet. T age criteri are typal rlacement acticeas been going beyon just the age cteria. We look at the meage, we lk at the repas, y know, and t cos to opete the viclend stuf So we he extended the li of somef those vehicle st ofhoseehicles beyond just t a cteria tt s establhed inhe policy.O okay.
[32:00] Council Member: Um, a, and we continueo d thatven I mea theoal ght be 17 when they reach their, the the, thendf that, b um, so suggestg it 17 by 2030 I a rou estimate becau we MAY find ourselve being abl toxtend the lif of som of the other ones s, sir.
[32:20] Tim: That would b mimizes the origin invesent toet there. Correct?Kay. Yeah. Um, add to ttameoint, I guess.Uss. Um, so how doow do weow do we current mage the fleet? Is it I I we manage t fleet in, um, puic works? And when we taing about light duty hicles, m, I assuming we re talki about, for example, councilr Botki just mentned theattalion chiefs in the fire departmt. I d imagine planning and ecomic developmt has some vehics th are dediced to inspecto. Tt s the kin of ght duty we re talking about. Yes, sir That s corre.
[32:56] Tim: Ok. U hows tt fle nagedight n? Aume s tough publi wor and rough theaintenancearage. Yes, s. I is.
[33:06] Tim: Ok, so, u, it wldeem to me to make sen andell m where it doesn to. As you ben ts tnsition t, um, outsrce some of that data managent.M, a fleet magement ofhe electc flee Uh, ton outde soue that can kindf work wit us to manage that transion on e front end. B as we get more a more investe in that, um, we can tra up and a to the dutie o t curre fleet manager positn,ot t person, b the positn, the respsibilities ofanaging both the comstible engin fleet a the ev fleet. Um, and evtually we reoing to it s justoingo be w can bring it ihouse at that pnt.S that That, MR. Mor,hat is an
[33:53] Tim: tion. A tt s sething, u know, that an option tt the cncilould select to go with their staff could Okay I mn, I just I m, I m leery ofring on separate flt manag, um, to manage th EVhen we alreaave mebody who s respoible for fleet manement. It wou seem me you can, uh, increase the traini and the ski lel of that pern. U gradual as well. Um, and Itartedo row thatut thereecause I m kin of, uh, pessistic about doi that. A I kw Gilln c t d all oft, but, u but s s qte talent, and,ou know, maybe wehould loo at, it,m, a to b cle, we, u w re w aluating, um, t police flt, um, which isur lgest
[34:38] Tim: fleet.M,as that partf t udyr or ishat separed out a not whin the scope of thetudy? MR. Mayor we, uh,s you statarlier, thexamples of theypesf vehics the light use, lig dy vehics tha were utized, we did n inude, uh, plic sety vecles or eveublic wor vehicl sh a snowpws a other, y know, um,h, trucks at we have to pw with at nit andtuffike that I th cririaor thekay, ev candates.
[35:09] Council Member: Ay, sohis was the the cars that that peopleign out wn they goo a meeng aoss wn or sethingike tha Correct. Okay.Nd thenithin town, yes. T go between buildings and sh. Oy.M. Than you. Appreate it. U uncilmembe Hanse Sorry. So jus Curiosy. Um, how does the expecd useful lif of an electc vehie comre to that of a
[35:32] Marcella: s power vehicle ey re comparabl if not nger, becauhey hav les wearnd tea andess ming parts. Ihat, think Ieardou sayhathese life cle saving are procted over 2 years. I tt right? It over the. I morry. Go ahea Oh, okay. Um, w flow this, uh the cit s replacent criteriaorhe a, which was te yrs for each vehicle ght now. Okay. Whetherr not that happe or it gs phed ou a little further ay.
[36:06] Marcella: And also, um, do I assume correctlhathat 20100 in prected le cle sings is operatnal savgs only, and it doe not conside any any capital invtments in infrasucture,or exale? Correc d do we he any bis to estimate wha tse capal expenses might be?
[36:30] Dan: , so rig n for I mean, forudgeting purposef y ha to do aharge or install rightow with minor with minor condt extension like adding a third orourth charg to City Hl, a thathat lot in th back or t front, pending on which side of the building I guess you re oking at. Um, those run, you kn, 5000 t $1000 if you ve into t heavi. As Marcel mentied, t dc three fast chae, if you want to getnto hea dut vehicles ere you ll see t bigge savings I ter o emiions and operatial eenses,hose arges are200,000. Befor yo get into facity urades to hdlehat mh me era por.O that whe t rea heavyxpense cesn rht w. Um, typewo, u crgers ar not orly expensi to
[37:16] Dan: inall, so, um, knowi that th city has that sustnabilityund andhen discuson when we tk with re, aire trucks cost it s1illion premium over the non ev version So wheer to spend $1illion out of the stainabili fd for one re tck, uh, in o, I our mis and was it s mor economic, mor eicient and morempactful to use tho funds to offset 17 vehics plus any necesry chaing frastructu. And you g a bigg bang for yr buc.
[37:49] Council Member: L right.Hank you. Uh. Next ste. Yes. So I the s a feeack from theouncilhat y d le to incorpore into the rort, ll d that.M, our goal is to have ts bk to t cocilor forma acceptae athe Junend counc meeting.
[38:06] Marcella: . Sounds goo Tha makes nse to m Yeah.Eah.Akes
[38:12] Mayor: sens Solid work. U tha you mh for joing us tonight. Appreciat it. Ank y all. Have a goodest of thevening. You, too.
[38:22] Mayor: Thank you. Excellen. Um, s tha s goi to the JUNE. Wte tonow? JUNE 2nd. Second. That w good. U Ando we ll moven n to, uh, im, I ess, fr, u highwayhree, uh, quart study.M,ery excid about mor cordor studies.
[38:44] Tim: Yeahll right MR. Mayor, I ll give a quick introductn tooe. Joe has been here befo.Oe Devore I with Cal Jay. Uh, the re. He s out of the Eagan office. A, u as a council mber, rember. We have a. Do you have a des for y here in City Hall? Uh. You le to vit? It seems lik Yeah.
[39:01] Tim: Do youantne? You kw, a fquent flyer here. So, uh, a a counc memr, remember u thitudy I being don iollaborati with mot,akota County, the cies of Inver Groveeights, semount andagan. And I incoorates2.5 mes of hiway threerom 1th Street or County Road 46 dn I Rosemot are o the Remount Lakevie bordeh,p to ghway10 or m sry,2. Oops Tha was an old. Tha was th old alpbet. Inv Gve ights. Um, so the sdy team ha looked a a bunch of differen thing Uh, tffic demands, environntal facrs, uh, acces managent, crash histor throught that lgth. Andhen we alseached out to resents andusiness folk We had ahree
[39:47] Tim: dierent, uh, open hse meingssell a oine. Um, um, iut fm fol. Ando, uh basedn all that infoation, t project tms go togethe and,h,ndith Jo s guidance and leadershi , provide, uh, dft recommdationsor the corridor study.Nd so,hat yo re goi toe hearing this evening isoes going to prest to you, in partilar, e ones tt are I Eag or adcent t Ean. We re not ing to d the eire 12.5 miles updates. But and so the interest is inny feedbac o question tt theouncil m have So weanncorporate thosehings ornswer tm this ening. And um, so with that, uh, Joe Yeah. Thas. And befor I get goin Rober Jes is also here, um, with Mndot. He s the
[40:34] Joe: Mndot for the study. Und so if tre are anyuestionst the e, u both ofs will be avaible to answer those Um, just going throu the agen, weeally want too thugh that implemeation planning that, uh, Russ gave the intor. Uh,efore tha Iustant to go through that study overview aga, where we loong at the entire rridor fro the 461 60th Street sth of Rosount, all e way to highw 62 u in ver Gro Heigh. Uh,he Egan secti reallys that that secon rig inhe middle?M, cityfagan, Inr Groeights, Rosemont and Dota Countave also all be very big parers in thi studor u I think we wking. On onetting the prentation up. Sopologies.Hat s all righ Council does have I on thr iPads tugh.
[41:21] Joe: Okay. So um, so as we look at the sedule,hisseally the kind of lasthree months of otudy is reallyocusing in on thatction plan for, u implemention. The fure o these improvemes that we suggesd, sgesting that ongoing part in tse last threeonths is rlly getting additial vtual engement.
[41:44] Joe: Uh, in kin ofhat post on house pha. Uh, doingouncil presentions like ts to Inver Gve Heights,agan and the Dota County Brd.H, andhenaking af tt inpu and finizinghat repo. So a we start looki whatngagemente he do, we jt had three on houses back about a month and half ago at the endf Mar.
[42:08] Joe: We hadver 120 attende at ea of those three on houses. So a far as open houses go, ty wer packed. They were packed fro the start at30 all the way til t end at 7:00. And wead a lotf discussis wh, uh, landowne along t cordor, pele tt we very interested in the study. U and then we got a lotf tha feedba. Smarize.Nd tn we doing oirtual prestation survey right now r tho w weren tble to make thosepen house to get us fdback on this study. Uh, we re likyoing to kphat open f 2 to 3 weeks here as that, um, feeack stas kind of waning off. That s when we
[42:52] Joe: llikely close it So if u guys d sll have it on th iPads, that publicnput, , was reay big deal I segmen three that s going rough Eagan. Sohis is a segmt fro Conmara Til through highway49. We lked at fr difrent cro sectio I thi area, a two lane wh rht turn lan, a three lane with right turn lanes, an oion that added southbou lano that three la. Sot was kindf a uneven balance, but more pm capacity. Uh, coming uthbound. And then that true four lane divid highway Uh, what we heard from open house to attendees was the did t like that four le dived tion. They fel it wld be ry impactf ang tha
[43:39] Joe: entire segmenth, a even though that tral dand was ther u they rlly felt thathose negativeshe, the loss o aess, psibly wetlan impts and thatigh cost wer rllyegatives that that weren tvercome by, u that betr travel, uh, pacity a safet Ase started looking a interstions. Uh, tre w a lot o support for roundouts on thisorridor. Sot defitelyoad, uh, Cliff road Bon air. Uh, and Connemara alo segment three.
[44:12] Council Member: All four o those rndabouts had a lot more support uh, thanhe, uou kno alternives of araffic gnalrn o snalized interstion Well you re worki on that. I ve got a qck qstion.
[44:28] Joe: Sure.He the intersectnt 1/20 a Biscayneah, it there s onlyne oion oposed, and tt s f a thre quarter aess. Y. Th s fr. To nouild. Ok. W there a compeing reason totook at t possibilit of a roundabou there? Uh from a traff vole stanoint.
[44:45] Joe: An a. Amntf traffic contr along this corrir, every time you add a roundout o a tffic signal tt s slong comte times, uh, along this trunk hiway, that s mor of region roaay. Ay. So I shatalance o throhputndhenccess. Thank you Yep.Orry. Tha sll rht. Um, s tha sety anasis, en we looked at txisting cras isss, uh, on the coidor. U it was really our three mainignalized inteection throu Eaganed neane, Cliff road andee road.H, 7 of the crashes on at segmentere occring at the three maj intersectis.H, so looking atmprovement at all thr o
[45:32] Joe: those were kd o a critical pie of this stu. U when we looke atorecastingnd 2050 modelg, u we reay wanted to uerstand if we lookedt fouane capacity, uh, wthat trave demd would be in t various seents I have zoome in her lookg a uh, segmenthree d fou uh, for segment ree. Uh,e were lookingt, uh about a, you kw, from 13,000 to 16,00 wh a no build,h,xpand into a four laneh, rose that numberp to 25,00 a so when we wer lookin at that kind of tvel demand incree, tt was t highest number along t rridor and w t big reaso why w brohthat four lan
[46:21] Joe: divide uh, t theublic a an oion f ts sment. Uh, multodal andreenway planng I ao a imptant part ofhis sdy with Dakota unty. Uh, there s thr main kind o greenwa plaing erlappingn ts Ean segment. The Veteransemorial ail,n overpass, um, kind of nort of cliff south ofhe Greenway ring rou, which is west ofighway thr. Um, but th s bween Cliff and Andrews and then the Veillion Highlan and Grnway Trail Rosemount connecti, u wch ishown as croing at 1/20 and Biscayne. Uh, and running kin of south onitheride of hiway tee.M, so when we were looki a cssings, the
[47:09] Council Member: Vetera Memorial Trail andhe Vermilli Highlan. You kw, I want I wan to m goingo.T s really har t llow you presention. And th one we have here without ving some rnforcement beeen the cnections.M, so I going touggest we te a Yeah I moing t just suggest takebout a fiveinute rece. Okay. And we ll let, uh,e ll let the folks back in the cab booth Uh,eah. Let s up here. Um,ett in sy, because m hing a really hard te folwing. Pe. That s wth it. The why n t w just tak about fiv
[52:59] Mayor: nutes? Pbably shod. There go. All rig. We re back from thnical difficuies, but n we re. W re golden and ready t go. So, srting a ltle b bac uh. This was our. Big feeack on segnt three om tt open hse t u osehree open hses.M, so you can see thator the cross sections, we had the t le with Ray turns tee le wh Rayurns, adding southund lane tohathree lane. And then tharue four lan divid, uh, the support of the public reall wasrying to ke thi downsiz takin vantage of tha two lan or ree lane oion versus tha fu expsion to a,m, two lane southbod, or even that four lane dived. Um, a people were very kind of
[53:45] Joe: opposed tohat four lan divide just becau o the access wetland,igh ct. Um, inontradicti t the sety and capacit benefit, as we stard looking a the inteection irovements. U undabouts got a lotf support. Soefinitelyoad, cliff road, Bnaire Pathnd Connema Trailllad about 2 to 1upport.M,or those imprements. Um, just kind of tie in bk to the last te I was he with that existing coitions in this Eagan segment. It s reall tse three signalidntersectio that areeeinghat high crash te right now. R Pine Le, Cliffoad and Diff Road. U so really lking at those inteection impromentsas a
[54:33] Joe: big, um, focus, u for for thisegment. A the for the forecaing aind o projection to 2050. Um, to the north of 149, we were only looking at kind of 100 to000 inull growth, depding o scario. Uh, dow in semount, we re seeing kind o 2 to 400 in growt But really in thi sment between Connemara a 149. Uh, we ing from about 1080 t t when w prode that cacity, uh,ravel dand of up to 25,500 vehleser day. So alst doublin tt tffic that s outhere tod and just trav demand forhat segment Mr.Ayor. Ca I just a a questn on
[55:20] Council Member: that?Ust wt t clarify. So the thirdumber tha sn the squar bracket, is that llingshatf we make that imprement, that will attract more traic? Yep. If it s no bld I stays at that 16,000 numbeecause there aaster rtes like Pilot Knob or2.
[55:45] Joe: Ank you. Wh w were looking at multimod conneions,h, the three Greenway plannin enavors by Dakota County Verans Memoria Trail a Overpa is kindf tha fst step. Um, nthf Cff road. , so we re alrea lookingt an overpas that does conside a possibl four lane on highway ree. With tha uh, the Greenway ring route. Uh, which onhe west side betwe Cliff road and Mndrews. And then Vermion Highlan, which does he a crossg of highway ree at 1/2 andiscayne
[56:23] Joe: Avenue. So going thrgh our, um,ind o interction by inteection,h, 1/2n Biscay wasnehat w lked at a tee quarter intsection atompared to what was out ere todayr anxpansion th justhat se street stop What we found is that that tee quart does,m, redu delayt the inrsection.M, by about 70% getng rid ofhat, those left out movemen as reay e big day a tho intersecons today. Uh, wn you lk at the kin of reonal pattern Bisyne, t north sou. S thahree cor movent really helps o wh that mement. Uh, with 10. Uh, that s where um, tt lt
[57:11] Joe: out would be diverted downo, , McAndre t the kin of
[57:17] Joe: rcle up the west se u Red Pineane. Uh,ur recommdations to keep that as ahree lane traffignal. ,ndot is doi flaing yeowrrow improvents at is interseion this year. Um, so tha improveme rlly will he a big decree in at left turn delay a the interstion.M,e re expectingeduction in ashes tha are ourring at thisntersectio because aot of tho hav bn, um,ind o that r light runng in those left turng phas. Um, so we re seeg about a 67% cra reductioithust the flashiellow aow. Um, and th were seeing qte a b peak level of service decree.
[58:02] Joe: Um, just having tt three lane seion,m,oing thrgh this ar. Um, and tho imprements, kind ofhat cye timin uh, impvements at this iersection. Um, so as we start looki at that kind of section as ahole fro uh, McAnews up toliffoad. Uh, at Nor sid is going to be a 3 to 4 traition pnt.
[58:28] Joe: Than you. Uh, Red Pe Lane signalized wil det tha c rough tffic gng tood road.M, up to Cliff. Um,o that s been a boncern duri our,m, feedbac from the publis peopleon t want th West kind ofut through trfic to be used. A sigl allows us to kin of restric that to aertain exten u for that lef turn, phasing I the northund dirtion. Um, and the tha realignnt of 1/ islso a b consideratn for that souern part. Quick queion.
[59:03] Council Member: M periodical sing Trailys on t west sidf tse. It. Will theree arailway included a the partf these provements We lood at, um, tra ang hiway thr ase go bac t th, like mtimodal slide. Um,here is that kind of seent thats a almost duplice segment ofhe rtion on Dod roa Um, we did identify that aseing kind of duplicat and wch route me more sen fro a multidal perspectiv Dod road has a lot less traic on it. Um,o ing abl t have a buffe from DoDoadill beafer f multimod tffic. The ang hiway thr. Oy. U but th there is that connectio
[59:51] Joe: at 1/20 and Biscaef is there aonnectionorth or south that need at tha point? Not as much. Um, so we are lookingt shiftghat trai optio to ulizingod.
[1:00:07] Joe: Got. Tnkou. So as we staooking from Clif roa north to highway 149, u I rlly came up I a four le needed. And s we wanted tindfhow alide here o right now all of those ueinesre four lan roadys. Uh, in theeneral ar to theest.H,ou do haveifficultoad a cli ro gng from four le to two lane secons.Ighway 149 currenyropsrom four lanes to t les ast comown to hhway tee, and then algighway three goingp to 55. There s n fourane. Um, facities.O this reay is a holerom where tho four lan facities can really bri trfic. Um, sth of the
[1:00:54] Joe: scott, Excel energy, uh, a Flt Hls areas there. Um, ere isind of a hehere ere all ofhatraffic I either gting, um, cdensed into Richalley Blevard or Highy three Um, hhway thre beinghatrunk hhway, we d ratheave a l o that mand shi the state facility Um, coming into t sterea a tnust distriting. Uh, sohat this wass, was a selec link analys of where tt tffic is goi. We dose a lot of that traff coming down.49 diff Lee road and at Cliff road. And we really s jt brging tha fr lane section nnecting int those as gettin the traffic to oth regional rdways tt can the
[1:01:41] Joe: distribu I.O with tt approachf hing aour lan in thi stion, um, a four lane tffic snal was lood at. Um, we did get qui a bit of aualelay and crashost benefit fm that. Um,hat peak,ur levferviceas only improving fm level o seice e tohe level of
[1:02:02] Joe: serve d. Um,nd,m, I woul be about a2illion cost Uh, looking at aulti la roundout at this locaon would ben additnal half $1 milon, b w re gettin a lot more annual delay and cra cost benefit Uh, we re also impving that peak ak hrevel of serviceo a vel ofervice.Ee, um, there cld be se pottial impactsp on tt northst wetland area.
[1:02:30] Council Member: So there could I a a qstion the? U this isust a genel queion about undabouts. When tre are near a railroa crossg. Yeah. Thank y. It sounds like you anticipate the question.Es. Go ahead.
[1:02:45] Joe: Um, so to addre thatoncern, weid look at oveead blank t signa. Um, no overhd blanke signa would b in the left lane coming southboun th left lane comg eastbnd, an then the right lane cing northbound whichuring train crossg wldome up as, u bically a sp at this poi. And so that would rerictraffic I thoanes to keep theoundabout clear so thathroughrafficn the nortound lt lane, southbndight lane, uh, could sti use ttoundabout during train crossin Tre woul be gate ohat east approa. Stillhysically rerainingraffic from crossing the tracks. Buty havi those multi-le approach, uh, some ofhat
[1:03:31] Joe: trfic can keep moving durg a train croing. D when you s so, it wou actually b lik a signa ght. Like a red lht. It s a blank out sn, but it s acts as a red light. Okay Yes. Don t knowhat a blinkutign is.Orry. At? Yep So it a, uh,Ms sign aut a two by two sig thatould b ove theane.
[1:03:50] Joe: And so I would come up with, li, stopt this pnt o u know, d n enter t rodabout. Okay. Thanks. Yep. Goo queions. Sos we go north, um. Sai Thomas, Thas Becket accs. This was a very high vume acces tt we need to csider. Uh, betwee cliff and Diffilt Road. Um, with aour le roadwa stion, we did t want toestrict the accses t just rht and right out. Um, as tha kin of regiol detour route using Cliff a definitely road would, wld make tffic comg in a out have to alter their traic patter qte a b. Um,o w looked at an option tha changedhat circulaon ton only o t north axis,ut
[1:04:37] Joe: only on t south. Access and ingble to addn kind of ft tur lane and then an acceration lane, um, in tt ar s that all tho traffic movements could be made fro the Snt Thomas Bect sit , we do seeome, benefs there. Um, ioth day, u very minimal crash costs. Uh, benefits for tir, u and then dinitelyoad.H, anotheulti-lane roundabt. Um, whenouook these mui-laneoundabouts hhway threeas twoanes,ut spial attenti wasade to thos minor approacs to try and kee onl one cirlating ne comg in. Uh, so not see
[1:05:25] Joe: lotafer operation Um, having kind of thi hrid rodabout where it a two by e versus a tru multi-le undabout whet s two les fromll aroaches. Um,hich you seen a l ofhe Daka Countyoundaboutshat hav very hhrashates. So really tryin t to mimize crashes. Those are aucket.
[1:05:45] Council Member: Doeshe estated costnclude an estimate for rig of way acquition. Uh, dsotnclude right o way. Most ofhese a contningt t withi right way.H, a definityoad. Ther could be someinor right ofay acquision just on thos corners Ok. Tha s wha I was looki at Yep.
[1:06:05] Joe: Um, so we wld eect those to be prey minimal to the erall ct of the rouabout. Gog on.
[1:06:16] Joe: On this multiane. Um, the the the black dense secon,s thatctually phycal barri there? P.Ohelacked in secon wouldeedian. Um. We are still lking a dign modificaons to these for lik that rigurn lane coming off diff. Uh,hat wldikely be pulled iohe roundout res a right turn lane without that physil separation and a finalesign. Okay. Buteereusteally okingt the lane capacity Okay.
[1:06:50] Joe: Fo that. U highway 149 realigent was a b pt o this stu a wel Lking at theeasibility of tha Um, we did look at a conpthere it crosseouth of diff.Eend kind of connected int 1 as a nohouth rouithbout 50 60% of t traffic turning offighway 3 to 149.M, that wouldllow kindf ttain line, uh, to opera mes a in line. Um,owever, this ne alignme,hat railrd brid and a lot of tha fill in thaap, uh, came out to abou a 25 t30 million cost estimate. So there was a l , um, cost int makinghis alignment. Um, cpared to placing the railroaridge
[1:07:38] Joe: wheret is today Uh, to hand ttour lan capity. Um, we came up with aost of abt $10 million This includes sho flyridge ingemporarily reconstcted alongsid to handle the train. Uh, and then thatour lane expansnoccur, and then therain shiftack. Um, so at wou end up beibout 0 milonn repcement costs and that kind of image in th middle kin of shows wre th shoo f might temporari , um, place jt to t wt
[1:08:15] Joe: of the existing bridge. So as weookt kin ofhat recap for ts fr laneection,h, a lot o those driveyslong the core wld end up bei coerted t wri and wri out. Um, with t roundabou at dif Leend Cliff,hose all opptunities for u-turns. Uh, thene access on e east is to thelint Hls. Uh Excel site. W d lookt thre quart locatio the. , where soubound lefts cod be made there witut having to goowno Cli, ke a u-turn and come back. , but for mt of these drivews, um, getng to them from t sth using that df roundabo, coming bac or using t 149 roundabt and coming bac uh, does pvide pretty goodccess int those the businses witut too
[1:09:02] Joe: much douring. Uh, our fr lane divided conce. U wt d have a lot ofpposition, ough? Thi w the fl coept down to Connema. Um, by rlly jt ptinghis four laneoncept wre it s ulyeeded from that travel dema. U kin of need,h, reoping that that balans with theublicpposition to this goi in. And then lastl that highway 149 rndabout, uh we de looki at a hybd roundabout wre thatastbound could ctinue on higay three.H, wreas theurning movents at 149oulde me inind o a singleoundabout. Sohat that s the sest circulatg rndabout, u at wean do. And havg
[1:09:47] Joe: thoseypass lanes tn carrying those higraffic reams. U this I a sghtly high ct roundabt, just with a lot more of a footprint here. Um, but you can see the th operationhe therash cost benefit are really maximize with thi option. I did wan to cover u as w go to the west, east on highw thre Uh,e a lookit a lot o dynam cveignage, high frictnurface and strategic lef turnanes ang this segment. U this is segmenthere the publiceally waed t kee I with that exisng twoane, uh, roadway Uh but tres a lot of crash cost along this segmenthat we want to addre. Kind of
[1:10:34] Joe: east of Egan oundary here. So tald a lite bit about is, but for the entire coidor, it s 12.5ile corridor. We re looking a ding traff contr at eig tersection tha don t cuently hav tffic ctrol on mainline highway three Um, so weantedo be very smart outhich interctions this control was add a toeally balancehat travelime, try to keep, uh, as clos we can to that existingravel time withouncreasing delay on the highwayhree approache wher they now haveo stop. Um, s we werebleo do that by rucing delay a t inrsections, uh, in locatns where weere expding
[1:11:20] Joe: capaty. Uh,nd the we also looked at those secdary acsses to, toalance in safety benefs as well. Um, so where is tt safety need on a oject wid level?H, tt segmen between Bisyne and 1/20 down to Connema Trail I had ver highntersectio crash rates So really tho inrsectionmprovement that we re makgt allivef those intsections are really biafety benefit. Wn we ok athis at cridor leve um, dow inosemount, the s aew key improvents x 42nd 4 that have a lot of benefih, and then thrgh at curdection, uh, in the lower rig, um, you can really
[1:12:05] Joe: see tha $4. Mlion of annual ash cos alo that cur segment wre tha dynic speed control high fction rface wld rlly be big benefit to tryg t rede that large number. A then lastly, in Inverrove Hghts, um, kind ofhat,h, segme betwn hhway 55 and 65t Stet was alsdentified. En we start loongt an imementation schule.H, righ now, the b pavement ojects o this quarter a 2033 Um,ohats quite a lo tim to wait. We wanted to provide a littl bit of flexility. If there wer some highrash areas that w wante torioritize. Uh, but this all ties bac to funding When can
[1:12:51] Joe: we get fundi, u t make these thesemprovement along this cordor? Ando a we art baking out tse key safetyeeds down in Rosemnt, uh, 46 and2, u we re lookin at that 2030 t 2035 timerame for tse, uh, f 42 we aually looking to ta advantaf Dota unty upcomg project at that iersection toet a couple more improvemes on highy three. Um,ind of pulled into that proct, that 1/treet toighway 149. At she section that goe rough Eag. Uh, that s a ve high cost segment when we reuttingnhat four le
[1:13:36] Joe: expaion rlroad bdge. U belie eht rouabout, fiveoundabouts Uh, along th specificorridor. U so th s a 55 to $60 milon estimanoday ollars. Uh, whe we startooking o, um, tt cost estimat I going rise. W re likelyoing to need eher additnal ste nding to cover tt o deral fundio cerhose provements. Um, so with that, that s the kind of commendatis for the Eagan segmen, and happy to answer any of t council s questions. Uncilman Snyr.
[1:14:13] Council Member: Um, I have a ifaybe go back a couple o slides to t one lled higay 1 reagnment. Yeah, I jus kin ofave a we, I have a lot of qstions on it. Won t a allf them, bu I, I gue the all boil down t how reastic is tt?
[1:14:29] Council Member: Iean, I understanhe reignments far as strahtening o highw three,ssentially Yep. Quiring, don t know, half mile wor ofight of way or more, which of course, I don t know ifhat suiltntohat 25 milon. But the bigge qutions the is the vertical Um, because you nd to get or the train track Th railroad tras.Ut I mean it see lik you d have to sta that vercal quite a waysouth of whe it is.Nd then wt happe to t connectionver o y know, th old alimentf hhway three? Ishat wha allhat green is?Re y just building a gnt?
[1:15:07] Joe: Corrt. The gen ihat earthwor bringin I fill.M, toeally have tt agnment. Um. M loong at. Recently had t alignme fuher south Ye. , where highw three is kin ofaised abovehere that trai track is going throu, an we wouldave need les ll. We I a kind o a 20 to $25 milon ran for that. Um but I se of our steholder meetings with Flint lls and excel at theestcott stations, um, they wtedt rth o wrehat jet fuel li I coming o ofheir falitynd gng nor.M, justrom an accs stapoint, theyidn tant a bridge rectlynopf thahere ou initial alignmeadt pretty cse. Su. Iean, the open hou
[1:15:53] Council Member: that went t um, I aed these queions and I think ybe I wasn t complety deveped the w tss. I dn thow tt big built up. ,erm. Yeah. Whi see to be if youook at the neighborho onhe botto le, esstially, y kno right up. On t of. Mebody s house. An the berm shows tt tre s fi need. Wha wou actuly com I is probay retaing wall to help addre me of tha cos Rit. Rightkay. Well,nd guess jus backo myriginal questi, is this, I mn,s this reay a realiic option?
[1:16:27] Joe: No, this is not being right. Ay. Thankou.Ustrom a cost and inputmpact andpoint,e a not recommding the highway three realn.
[1:16:40] Council Member: ay. Thankou. Ditional comment. No Nope. Sms prey lical. Well, w re lking forward to gettg theinal rort. In years ofIPs.
[1:16:56] Joe: Yes,xactly. The wl be some city cos compones. U as pt of that 23roject. Um mostl at, uh, actuay not beuse it s Red Pine Le, u which wle ts smer for the snal improvemes. S it ll be mtlyounty a u defintely and Cff, eept for e eastern leg a Th s rht. At wha poi would you ancipate,h, estiming the needorederal funng? Uh. That tse are going t be the nt steps wit Mndot as we get t cridor ilementatio plan finized. Uh, we start to entify what feder proams could suppo it. Um, build rightow I one optn for
[1:17:42] Joe: that. U to $ millin federa fundi forrojects li thesehat he aarge safe and opetional benit. Um there s als cause of coercen MnDOTidehat uld pentially be entified,ut some ofhat kind o fding a grant work eds toeone. U in addion to thi corrir study get thounds locke up. I anticating there MAY be a needt som point in the future for some rional solicitaon funds thrgh the Trsportation Advisor Boa. An I must kindf wonderi when tt mig be. I m probly n going to b ont anymore, but.
[1:18:15] Council Member: Yes, tha that s ather tion.M, is ting advantage
[1:18:24] Joe: ofhose funds u because this is a lger pement prect for the Ean segnt. Um, it likely n gng t be spot improventshere se of that rional solication funds can sometimes b bter ited for. M. Um,hiss rely going toe very lar oject if ittays tha fiv leegment in033 where ere s goi to have to be that feder or large ste program funding shift to this
[1:18:59] Council Member: oject f to g forrd. Thank youor having me today. Thank you. Oy. Ll tryot toe atranger. No aion requid or dirtion quired,orrect? No,ir. Y can eect to see it, uh, in t futures nal study recommendion. So. Sounds good. Great.
[1:19:15] Mayor: Good luc tonight. Uh with that,m,h, I m inclined to just keepoing, counsel. Yep. Yep. Excelnt. Uh we ll move to, uh, item fi on our anda. U wter trl maintance. And Tim Plath is gng to be. Thank you. MAY. A memrs of theouncil.M, as you know this I an annual eve.
[1:19:36] Tim: We, uh, reevaate our wter trai maintencerogramne time a yea wre w take input from the comnity pitions th MAY hav been submitted requestingdditions to t plan, aell a new cotructionnd staff recommdations for considation. Tonhte ve t tenifferent segnts tt are include I the pket f youronsiderati. Um,here weid n recei any titionshis yr. So these are all either new constructn orhere are four segnts or aff recmendation and trsit conderations, wch have six total segment of the ten tha are being psented or ar included I the agenda. Um, nine o them are being recoended f implentation tohe Winte Til Maintenae progrext year. Ther s o sment, u it s the new cstruction segme, and I can g int the detail
[1:20:23] Tim: if you d like,ut,m, new constructi segment one is one that w areotecommendine incoorated into the plan. And that s because it s a within residentia area, concre sidewas. It does not meetny of o trail winter til maintencelanning critea, t the balan ofhe segmes eeing recommend for inclusion in the program this ar. Um, s here s an overa ma that shows all of the differt locatns of the segmen tt are bng coidered. U lltart th, excus me, the new consuction sments, and we look at those ms ttle bit me clearnd a littleit morelosely. And once weet to thend o the new conruction segments, I ll mae ask forour fdback o whether y concurn implemenng thosentohe winter til mntenance pn
[1:21:10] Tim: or not. Andhen we ll move to thetaff recommendion and tn ultimatyo the trsit csideration Um, so he s our fir,m,ew consuctionegment. Thi is inhe trail s end um, nehborhood that is being nstructedight now It s part of the Thoon Reurs developmen And as I mentione earlier, thi is a residentl aa. I s a corete sidewal u sidential street. Itoes n et a of our wter trail intenance plan criria. Thi the segnt that were not recommendi be included in the pl gng forward. U and that s the upper kind of lt hand cner. Um, the darkerf the the two dted lin is the onehat s being consided re for segnt number one ,egments number two and ree ain aren that ompsonoyal Redevelment
[1:21:55] Tim: ea.M, I ll callt t oransh. Um, dottedine is , parallenghe, the south andestide of Opperman Dre. And the the blues kind of the, the um, the hoo ba to or t u-tn bac t El Green Rd. Um, typicly we wouldave contied the trail on t west side of Oppern all theay up toankee Doodle Road to ierct and connect intohe trailnhe sou si of Yankee Dooe. However thishoto, you ll see, u theound, uhe round objec there is actlly our Yane Dood Resvoir, whi is elateduite signicaly om Yanke Doodleoadnd the adcent areahere Oppman ive is going to be mg I way toankee Ddle Road. Had include the trail,m, alg the wes side ofpperman through thaection, it w
[1:22:42] Tim: have aed significant cost in terms of a retaining wall and additional excavation that over the lon the life cycle wld ve beenn eremely expense, um,h, agnment wehose t bring tha trail back to Eley Road and connect into tt existing trailn the st side ofl Reno. T recommention forhese two segments are tonclu bot of thes segment I t Winter Trail Mntenan Pla The gment along Opperman Dri does ieedeet the quiremen for a cnity llector. It s anticiped Oprm d is aicipated tory about000 vehics peray at a speedimit of 30mph. Um, so tt doe mch our creek. Meet our critea. The blue segmes more o access trailecause it ds noun paralle tooadway. Howe giv the fact that it
[1:23:29] Tim: oves that ctinuy and thatonnectivity to Elreen Ro, uh,e fl itou be a se addion to the pn ther thanust stoin nter trail maienance on the of that north e of the seent tt s adjacto Opperm Drive and the n construcon smentorhis is ahort segment o the south side of Wco Roa justes highway 149 Um,e tually buildg this sme on behal of Dakotaounty. Is is a segment of the Lenon Hills Greeny. U we re goi to beorng at e interction of 1 and stcott Aen ts coming summer a par of flaing llow arrow rrott that intersti.Nd givhe facthat w re eaging wh the railroa and doi a lotf work crdating wit them as well a the adjac nsuctionhe area. U we partn with Dak Count toonruct thamall ption
[1:24:15] Tim: Greenway Til,hich currently does n exist. Um, partf the jpa with t county fhat Greenwayrail gment, weid accept innce responsibilit for up to t years onhat segmen unt such te ashe coun c completehe Lebanon Hills Grey south of t, from Wescott dn t Cliff road and the t existg seent of um of Genway doe cuently exist onhe north side, on the wt side of Arntarail We cstructed atast year as part ofhe Argenta Trail connen. Soe are recmendg thathis I cluded in our winte trail intenancelan for t yrs.
[1:24:49] Council Member: And at tt point,akota County wouldak over, wte ailntenance responsibilities forha short gment ctrt. Are w dng these aatory, or are we wti all theay ti the end t discuss? Uh,f you wanoiscuss, for it. Now .M, I agree wh the lack of a recommeation number e. It s sidewalks. It servesnl the neighrhd, dhey re proy going t have aomeo s assiati som sort tha should be responsie forhat. Um, totall agr wit numbeour.
[1:25:20] Tim: That makense Aoupl quesons about two a three Who exactly I goi to be lkingn tse tras during e. Wier I wdered? Yeah that s gd queion. Ther are tre is a trait stopeing plannlong Opperman Dveust to the soh of tew, um, Aman, um,acity tt s, you kw, shown undonstructionn is pto Yeah. Um, and a addionhought tonsir is, um, ifo just a little easf this area,m, at Arntand Opper the Lebanonills Greenway is goi to cnueorth att location. Thisould be a conntion to the Lon Hills eenway for f that are at Elen, for ele,r poibly abodyithin this delopmen tt m want to avver ehe tomc or
[1:26:06] Council Member: to t Genway. Okay. Um, ll thi abo I , thene oerhing, I m looking a t top of tt water ter. We reue for pat. It s cin up. P. Yep. When s whe shat? On the 20. Next yr. Uh maybe aice blues.
[1:26:24] Tim: Wh? No, I was aually, ve suggestio. I mean, if going to tkbout pnt lors, but is thereom type ofegationha tls you at you canr cannot pain e top of a wer tow? , MISTER, Mter mayor a counci mber bacon. U I thinkhat s o the rightow isot requid. Okay. Sohere eomef we reike with the Sperry Tow, um, youno that t fght. Uh, fligh zond that tt forhe airport. Um,ndo there a we had to get, y know, check that. And tre wer no quiremts,ctuall f t Spry Tower tt existin toda So,h, for thi one. D,teve, corct me I wron b I don t think ther s anyeqrement fm with regdso the fghone for this reservoir.
[1:27:06] Council Member: Okayo just hyphetically, if youanted to pnthe top of yellow and p a black trefoil onhe. Thi we. Couldt mighte a advisab r oth reasons, b jus t mess witheople who a flyg an m, le the radioti symbol bla treil o a yell. Mae just ne Egonogo.
[1:27:24] Tim: Ll,r.Ayor, just a questi on nernd. Nber four. Uh, Panra s b. Kw it was going somhere in tuble. Yeah.M. Just to gets out Of ts, uh, question on n constructi nberou Um, soou rehong t that shor segment that wile
[1:27:41] Council Member: built and plowed. U, we re so, so close to conctg to tha part tt hea o north. U ong.Uess that s Argen. Um, what autha tiny, y know, sever hundroot seion there that I gue is mostly n in Ean. Iean,s at kin o inhe wor mehow?
[1:28:02] Tim: A goodueion, and think theap is n accurat d believe we picp tt sht segnt.H, weumn erail a Argennd then continue north to jump o t greeay that parle genta.O Io believe that weick uphaegment. Oh so that ll be. It suld.
[1:28:18] Tim: Pwed also. Shoul be yelw. Or. Yellow in thisraphic.
[1:28:26] Tim: Grt. Tnk y ay. Fir. All right. Um, theext cagorys staff remmendation. Um, ts is a ort sment o the westid ofexgton Anuerom Kensington Trail down t the enanceo Goat Hillark. Um, there I a n pedesia crossi just to theor, on theorth side of theoa Hill Pa access. B, um,hi wodot onl um, plow the th crossingo thateoe codse the nedestrian osngnd go east west. Um, across Lexinon. B it wld get fksp t like,h, Keinon Til asell.T provid a accs point, ul forur equment to g and g o. It s a rlly, real sll segme. Me than ything We rerying to make su that we g tt derianroing from West side to etide of Lington
[1:29:13] Tim: covere with thi are So we re recommendg tt we d not onl that eastes crosngut als ts very short 2 ft, 2 ft segmentn theeside o xington to get moreccess to at Hill Pk. With t creased programmi thatow exts tre wit the refreratedink.M, tss, uh, tecommendatio tha s being broht forrd. Dn t these ud to he esmated aualos Ye thats in temo. So, forxale, theta coendatihat 2ft is estimad t be about $37er yeareah. Based on our thr year arage.
[1:29:47] Council Member: Ank y. I mka with that.M. All rht. Next group of considations, um,evolve around tnsit uses. Ann facts.E we abl to g th this lt year. W wer ableoet ridship da fro mbta. Um, ty proded the qutif rer thatre boarding o getti offrain, um buses aachfhese, u the bus stop latns. Unfortately, theataha s ts, um,his map oy shs t totalumr o of, um, rersha areither boardi orepartinghe b. It dsn tell u wt dictn they gng, what sidef thetrt they n.
[1:30:27] Tim: Um, wt w interpoted from theheind o the rata, ll cl it, tha was provide by ma.Establish a thshd of00m, tpsr um, u rider as bng nimumevel tt wonsider fo plowing.F y thinkbout 10 riders pear, u that t equivalt of two peopaking the bus dai ve ds aeekor work. Let s just say you swing n two People are gting on a oneidf the rd and gog the wor andhey congack a the e of t y. On the oth side ofhe ro,m,hat s aboutust under a tusd, u riders pe year. So, um, oncee u that 1000 cririt reall kind of zoed in on theigr vome, uustop locio, maf which areurrently
[1:31:14] Tim: bein plowed.M, a lotf the , you knoounty roa are at a currelyeing plowed areome of tigher,m, bus stop or bus rership lations well. But weidind fe areahatere in excsf 1000 rider per sp, and it didn t makense to,m, recommd tha we plo areas to brinidsither off tohe s and to the locions they MAY be going, or t the bus fr wherever theyreig now. Soheirst tns considation is o Blue Gentn Rd. A Blu Water ad, you ll note that the dehips inxcess o 1000. Inact s60iders p year. U our recomndation is to incdehat nthidef Bl Gentian Roa fro highway tohe eastndm,o t Industal blding dveway.
[1:32:00] Tim: And, um, there is a fairl largeumber o rider that, um get on t busr getff the bus at Beateroad. S that s traitonderation number one trait coideratioumber two is acal on t north se o Oakoadrohe eastide o 35est to Pot Kno You ll ticehatil Kno or m sorry, a Lone Oak and Edendale. Um, theidships at300 o 5400 almost rids per yea Uh,aiy signifan numbeoong to th east.M, atexgtonnd Loneak ttus sps en greater.Hat h 60 rider per yr.Oeeltt was worthwle to not only plo t north sid of Leak to coect tho two largeolume.
[1:32:42] Tim: Um u b sps, but then so go all tay over to Pilo Knob inas pple a usinilot Kb to g ove to or comg fro Pot Knob, I ould say. Andhen y also ti atllendale um, the soh side o ofonoke and Dale pla, w have amall segmentf, uh, sidewalk that we proposing tolow there Um if you re familia wh atrea, the t volum of afc inha I ll cl I athroat fm,h, fro low an dn tohe you c.
[1:33:07] Tim: Da. Circle. Rlly circler you can De placem, circles. Tha gets faiy busy andonsted.Ndt wou be wi t moveedtriansff onto t sidewk tha exists there did g a um, input and a reque fro aesident ts are who is,m, is dibled ttccsesransit inhat locio a, um, you know crentlyn theor side I um, if y re waing fo the bus y ve got no plowedrea to wt for the bus andhen getngo a from, I menoned, tt Eendale ace ccleutooanoke. , there rllyaso way t dot unlesou in the roadway. So ts ds incde the nth smentrorth seion of Lonoke Road from Pilot Knoo 35, and then th small segment along Unndale Bouleva, Eenle Place, I shoul say souf
[1:33:54] Tim: Ol Oak. D that connectnto theak Apartmen a t. Yep. Oka Coect. Yeah, that mes sen. Trsionsiderati numbe three. U this ishe east si ofexgton Avenu fm Yankee Ddle Roadorth to neakoad.Nd y ll notice down a Ykeeoodle d Lexingt.M,hat has a dership of aut 20 pple contuingorth once theyet toemini.Gain, that sbout 26 rider that are ain, eith getting o or getting f the bus And, um,t s a fairly strong numbe Yet even at, um, asou g north at, um, t Gemin but anyways, there a rider um, 775iders atha stopus sth ofone Elk Rd. S theecmendation
[1:34:39] Tim: he is t go fm, u Yanke Doodle Rd a theay tone Oan the east se of xingtonor tra considation. Numbehr. Th mirrorshe westide. Correc m sor.Ha mirrors thees side, which you re curnt doing. Ah. Thees side is curreny pwe y. Yeah. Um,ransit csiderati nuer fours the north and east se o Tow Cenr Drive fr promede ahe way around to Yane Ddle Drive Yankee Doodle Road. There agn, Ironade. That, uh, busto has fairlyigh nuer ofiders at abo 2600. Andeel thatonnectingt to t, um, the cmercial properes ang that etide an uimately allhe wayp to Yane Ddle Road was lule from a continuy stanoi a wl. S w re commendi ttegnt o e north a et side ofow
[1:35:25] Tim: Ceer Drive from promenade to due t Road b includ in next ye sinrrail mntenance plan.Nd the our final transitonderation I o 50 ro, the nthidef Lee from Nicls Road west to primately theesrn city lits.M, tre I hh ain transitidership on the et end.Ha uh, stop isbout 2400 rer And as y coinue wes to thetop just acss fmetcalfe. Um, th re showi 1400 rider thatre takingransitt tha cation. Sur rommendatio iso includehi segme fm Niols Roa t north se of e roadrom Nho Road t e west cy lits, for inclusnn nex yr sinter trl maintence pn.O tha vers a of. R.
[1:36:10] Council Member: Lookorny qstions. Apprecie t removal of snro all o these segmts. The mt cmon coernhat I hear is pple hang totrch tou sno to get t aus stop o to s shelterot onlyor pele w are ridingheus, buteople justriving by a noticing pplerudging throug the sno andrying t t to a b sp or bus elr. And sm, it s gre to see that, uh, tha this is beingonsidereo be a great seice.
[1:36:39] Tim: Well Incrageeoeot t not dhatam tnsit tually, inhe roadw. Yh. Becauseos of the drivers noce thathe somebods in eoadway trying to g to the busto s um, fair pot. Gat So specically,m,hat these gments, uoe want too throug b categy, or d we want to g thrghy individu segnt? What wou the best wayo get cocil s,h, dection or feedban these segment I think wean maket rll effien Um, all theta recoentions and a ofhe ansitecommendatns, didn see anybo shake tir ad. Okay.
[1:37:14] Tim: So I thihose a allood. Eew constction. Um, I don tupport numbe one. Do suort numrour. I jt have som qstions abo two an three. B, I mean,n the brde spe ofhis, I s a fair deinis amot. U I d be oy with it, b I wonderin whahe rest of the counci anks. I, I a, I, I do I, I m a lit skeical o two d threeuiterankly,
[1:37:45] Council Member: um, I my. I gue I
[1:37:50] Council Member: woeringf. And the s g to be empent in the area. Um, tt isn t there rht now So t transit cous are probab a myuests going to go up to somextent? Um,
[1:38:05] Council Member: alough. See me thathe project Del. Mbe I don t know which is. Oh,he one. Down below Yeah.O, Alpha Um, that s one whe workers would be coming in wh theirwn vicle. So, so s the wouldn t be counted o besingransit, I assume, bause they re herent in the aity. The is,m, tir own vehicle.
[1:38:34] Council Member: So which really just makes me al the me sical. Mhm. Uh,tsse.M Mayo wld it make sense to wait year and pcularly see h the rig of way acisition gs extendhat road? Andeah, wai unt thinre aittlealized.
[1:38:50] Council Member: Is anyeoing t be wng here this win I guess th s myuestion. Ion tan tmagine. No very m human Ye Uh, I can t imagi that they ll be rdy toeady for a throng oforkers. So this isor t winte comi.
[1:39:06] Tim: Right. Yh. But you sai there will be a tran stopntually. But, I me, there s no working there y. Righ There s not. There s not a tra stourrently o at o tha spot. E had been historica f Thomson Reuters Mor tards the main building. Shere was, in theory tra s I threa. Thisill b jus lyocused at Oerman. Yeah I thi maybe del a year Ho off onhese andook at t again ntr. Okay.
[1:39:34] Tim: So there s there there so definite indation that there be a stop this area at thi time. Prions are being provide on roadwayor a bus sto I don kno perlly whe MBTAas committo pding service. We didn t gt clarit b based o the roadway desiglans thate re seeing theye bus stop being identifie They m be takin waitnd see attit also on this. S what hap thi winte ,h, Ink tt makes see.
[1:40:06] Tim: Ay. Son cusion, u one, two dee nos. On theew constion, fours aes. And the the balcef the her cegories are. Y. S. Oka Correct. L right. All rig. All right
[1:40:26] Tim: Thanou.Hank you. Um. We ve to ite six. Special ssment policy,ement manament proam.H, I go to go t Aaron on thi I guess Thk you.Or. Ifided up t labor, prett prty effecti tonight everybod get. S every gets ance on publi works ek.
[1:40:46] Mayor: There yo., h a good sution mad
[1:40:52] Mayor: l r. Thi I is. To discu. Theement manent. Ram scial assent policy and some updates that beingroposed. Kno the counci is very familr with ourogram and suprtive of So I m going teep t baound to very high l and then spend m ofhe time just tkingut the, u ntial revisio that, that we proposing So the old onelide esentation Iiket. Well done Uh, a little backgrod. Our pant managemt program was tablished I 1989,nd we use that t track and manage our stre conditis. Uh,m that progr, we deter what typef, um, managemt teques are perfoedo ex lif exptancyf of our seets.O, u historally, t m t
[1:41:38] Aaron: of improves areinor matenance likerack ceiling andothole repai. Uh,hen we geto sething a little larger, like theeal cos. A thet y s most often are ourillnd overlays, whireerformed royvery 20rs.Nd th ultimely, when the reets, uh,it lif pectancy, we g to a reconstruch,he cit ted apecialessment
[1:42:01] Aaron: poli 199oelpund a rtionf themprovement improvem throu special asssments. Uh, lasear thisting, uh,e w uh, discussed sinor modications our pavement manageme pro the asment pol t big chan in thegramas to ex, uheife expecy the str.E ve histallykedt roughly a0 yre o the street meang tt it brand new year. Uh, yea zo. And weeconstruct atear 60. Uh, what we re finding is, um, that a o streere starting toge, most of t ar in that0 ish yearange. Now, wit the appropria type maintenan uh, we can ex t life t rly tha 100 p yea So when we get
[1:42:48] Aaron: the reconct, iines up with wn the ulitiest are under the ground need to be placed.O, uee ingifferent types age and cditions oeets. S, um, we stillvaluate each street individuay to see what th spefic techniq is going e.Ut looking at extendi thatife expectanchat00 plus year. Andhe City Council dires to tt. We weove forrd with thoset recommenon wit uh our c,nd the imprements that a currently der conction. Ok. Can I ask a questn? It s mor gener. Aaron,
[1:43:28] Council Member: um It it wouldmo me that with lif expncy of 40o rsn road now
[1:43:37] Council Member: extending it o 200, um, wouldm toe tha we rea ha not, and I feh it, bu uh, have not gotte to a poin where ve rye much in the way of constructi withhe ceptionf probly a s handfu ofghborhoods ad the cits thatight? Tha .Eah,eah. You correct., the handfuhat weid weren t cessarily aesult ofhe pavementailing. I washe utilities underneat the pant. Um, most of I s the r main, uh, the oldtile iron. I m sorrytron pipes tha wemarily ud thugh the 60s. Very bttle, lo ofaterainreaks and that k oforced, uh, the retruct to our early u sinc the we, uh, the water main matials chang to a ductile iron p You kw, w should gily 100s years of tt, tha water
[1:44:24] Aaron: main. S we do still hav a few reconstr t areoming up and tsere primarily to replac the last few neorhoods that still have th bttle ct inipe. Ay. And thoseould have been in the neiborhoods tt were the oginal one the in ty of e. Rrect? Yea at srect. We talk authem I a f minutes. Here.
[1:44:45] Aaron: Okay. Ss good. throughhe proce uh, doingong term cost analysis of wt the, ynow,ur lon termavement manement programs going tost. We und out t we ree re going be short money. And brought, a prol t mo ouressment py last yea to inclu theurb and gutteosts asn acssible cost.Istoricall the cit has paidor tho costs. The vast majory of the r cmunities, they assess those cnd the council did deco,h, change the policy t inclu that a an acible cost fhis year.
[1:45:24] Aaron: Uh,e have roughly $illion h of mil and oay ojects,m, withncluding ose, uh,urb gutte costs a an accessi cost. It sk,t s estimed to genetepproximate a additional $530,n fding year.
[1:45:40] Aaron: And with eachject that cong gutrost n propertypecific, it s sprea among t entire proje a all property owners. Corr It very cnd. Gardsdded to the ove projectt, a it spread evenly tach pperty.
[1:45:55] Aaron: Correct. Allight. Sor this ar s modificatns, it s relatively mor. Um, orically, uh, wn pavementsre pced,hether it he origina,h, asphalt isced or we do an overlay, followed up witheal at, u t yfter at, pavem I pland that the proce oflying a, a liquidayer of asphalt d then cing it with a, p, a rock c u it als a the small a microscopi u cras that are inhe asp.Ndt s a very lost, uh, wayf exnding t life expecncy he street.H,o t coats historiy have not been assd a suc a low co Ifoupread those
[1:46:40] Aaron: assements out to a the proper inhe neighboood, we re talking50 per hou Theinistrativ costs a all thehonealls that it genera I s j not worth . So we Eagan, historicay, ke most communiti, have not asssed for seal codes, uh, ere s relaty new nique. It s been aroun in Minnesota, ateastor the last 8 o 10 yea And sever of our neighbo communi have have been implenting it. An it sled a rejuvenat Sot s silar to a s coat ere it a aurface treatm But instead of it, it going o tf the aspha and sng thecks, the, uh, theejuvenate are actuly, uh,s I the pavement and,h, rejates the the oils in it. Um, would.
[1:47:26] Aaron: Say. Uh, there s. It s sameord the defini. Yeaeah. s not a trace. Penetrates Um,eah. Well, the s differen types. There s, um, there s b uh, based and, uh,roleum bas rejuvenaon. Sohere ther s difnt types And we re going be dng some test some side by side sting in t Wildernes Park, secotion thi sumr.
[1:47:50] Aaron: We re appg aple difft t and seeow works. W all tesng that been pformed with, uh, with the other comties a through tanufacture,h, it looks like aeallyd product. And we looking at impltinghat. Uh, not neceily in place of o cts, in addn to it like, uh,his rejuven o applied, it s most effective,h, to applyt t year afterhe pavents placed.Opeal is tee years aer rejuve is the year aer, um, what we ve d in pration for, uh, lng at it,lyingse in the futu, when werepared the feasiby reports for this ye s Meln overl projects, wencluded aine item in the
[1:48:36] Aaron: re f appcation of a fuuvenate. Um, s uld be that the the,h, Mellonrlays tha are being in 26 and 27, we apply that, that rejuvene. We re lookg att a an extsion thel an overoject rather than a sepe andalonerojectt s multiple years down the r That is an extension of that Mell oay. Soe include thos costsnhe feasity ports. Um, and bef we g to the aessment heari we ed to hav thiscussion with theouncil. Do you want uso moveorward with this?
[1:49:12] Council Member: Um, soave queion, I
[1:49:18] Council Member: guess. A uh,oen,hen dohe proct officiall end? So we can do final assements becau b t modet wou seem to we e goio closeessments. We have a vested intest in stng to rover, um, the special asssment mon for the bding. Um,ut project is notetomplete. Um,nd just want to me re tha that timine is that w out lallyn t of u I mea ifef we layor a year for t sake including this piece, um, that aos gapn in s of o financi right?
[1:49:56] Aaron: Yeah. The, um, theroject officially ends in t fall. Thisear srojects wil rey for anessmentearing is fall. The the improvemes are accd by t city uncil. We hold a pub ing a hold the assess. Hring? Uh, what have done in the p w we haven t had theroject 100 comple, we bed those assessment hearingsthe costs thare the asments ar basedfff on estated final cometion costs So tha wouldt would b what we d ose if we wer to ide th rejuvenat as an ssed ct wou be to includ t as astimated cost for futur impronts.
[1:50:41] Aaron: Th following sprin summe. Okay. Coming back now. Yea So wean s collectinn e assessmts even th th fin stage is eimate of future servi. Tt s correct. Well, I mean,f we re ing to d this, it important,ortantt peopley, younow, sidents or businesse onl get one assessmennd n an assessnt, thennother one aearer. How sruptive is the ruvenation treatmt? It like one a in a single day ors it goingo drag on for ahile?
[1:51:12] Council Member: Iht let Russ discuss more ab the procees. He a littlee backgd It then Mrayornd council mr, ae had one neigorhood,derness Run. Second etion was don this st smer,nd they basical nt in there and finished in a y. And so we ll at neighbor, uh, any guess o howany hs are the hborhood? 100 Andt s , 50 m. So it s a pre typicale ighborhood Um, but it it s similar to thepplication if you ever see theeal code, s, I s it prett similar apication.Ou j don t do putomerushed, uh, limeste o the topf bu it not lik the, the chip seals that, t Aar s ferencing. So it canappen
[1:51:58] Russ: in a d Younow, 505ome neighbor wld b easily completed a day. Okay tn you said that some oer comtiese been using itnd hav a littl of a traecord, buts there a howews the techgy? I mean, h we se how I perform ove a nger time frame, you kw, 20 or even more years t if it s going t actuall make aignificant differee? So, Mr.Ayor and Council me Barkan. Sohe ersity of Msota, wit theocal roa reseah board, hase adies of var, uh,hejuvenatin uh, includin bioio and a few version of t asphalt or, um, pleum version a so ey ve t veone tting onm. Um, like Aaron mentioneef the communits I Twin Cs
[1:52:46] Russ: metr have been doing this to tenears for ten years. So ey ve alyzed ttreets et kd o a,nimation he proloation of the life of tho str wit the use of,h, let me see what e could Ihink of here? Forward, uh, wit the use of rejuvenat So there isome anasis th s bee done.H, we ven t intot earlier because we were kind waing to see,m, but there s signific motivation part jt tryin to lengthen out theife of the streets you know, 100 years. Um, s we think we need to get going. Ando we re, you know, it wld b rell going to b
[1:53:31] Russ: transition if w could if go wit rejenationr rejuve.H,e rell trtioningut ofhe seal codes because w ve already cotructed sometreets ae d it been moren a year, butt has t bn t three ars that weld tically waor a seal code. S we still goi to be doing seal coating this year, n yea mayb therdear from now Okay The rean I asked I that, youw, wean oy asse upo thealue o the prov ben.Rect. A so I jus wante t make se tha this I t csidered experial, becau asses for sometng expertal wod be proatic. But it soundsike it s not. . Tha woulde my opi, sir. Yes. So andndt as reminder the state state reeshat there s a limit to the assent that
[1:54:18] Aaron: based on thereased value to the propertyased because ofhe improvemen we done, apprailsn simil pros in residen nborhoods, as wells nondential. And we ree re strgly seeg, younow,rease value to 3 timeshate ve been assessing.Ven mhant ine cas.
[1:54:40] Council Member: So Cncilmemberanson and then. So if for some reason, thet of the rejuvated process exceed whatas assessed, the city s responsle f t , MR. Mayor and couil. Mber cing back to anoth ssment then. Rrect. But whateanos we c get bid and it s on square yard basiso it s I s it reay easy gets e num tt is going toe for thi typefmprovement at she way it s bid. Soe re notre that t s be anssue in other commities.
[1:55:14] Aaron: Noh Councilme Spina firs and the Counciler. Just a qui question o the technolo So it you said in the neiborhood that we tried in a tookbout day Is somethihat can beriven mmediately and can b walkedn? Peopleren t kinghiso tir house u t drivewa or anyt like that. Yeah Mr.Ayor and council memb subpoena.Es. So, u ere I know t was some tracking a maybe, uh, historly in theriveways a litt bit,, uh, one gnificant ben wh regards our customers is the lack of the, tp rk. You know,he the seal coa s, a many of you k can cared into people s homesor years lat.Nd we a l o streeteping
[1:56:01] Russ: with rdso that. Buthe cleanu they the as part of e process the, the ntractor does aweeping theestone, uh, Sandynd I d call it that s done on top the rejuvenat and s oneig benefit Okay. So.
[1:56:20] Council Member: There but, last question is, you know, sin thi is happg aearer, c we get t bid and can wekn a contrac a yrad so tha e cost is known s that weo to the asssmentsith a known , evehough it s going be a euro? That s whate reposingo do. Okay. Good.
[1:56:38] Council Member: Yeah I bec I, I ultimatel I ll fe out which rejuvenate works best. But I do wondeutm, I apiate t idea of locng inecause my concern is t that if we using the Petro ba, whichoesn sou vy attractive to me, b, um, the enersill fig itut more tha me.M,here a potential priolatility there.Ure. S In, lockin I aearut would be portant to m Iuess.
[1:57:06] Council Member: Sokay Okay Uh. Just o theery tail end of the preseation, the estid assent amoun thathis is expecd t inease a avera home is rohly.O we n talkingbout, uh, rl big nus bei a t the assessnt. And then, uh, commer iustrial proper, roughly00 $200. But tt really depends on the ze of t propert So big property is goi to be nsiderably more. But, uh,or e residenti I around60.
[1:57:38] Aaron: Uh,hat it would b expeed toenerate f additional f per yr. U just loo at t project that prosed in our five year cip, u thisould generoximately108,000 in addnal assesent venue p year. Uh, for the nextiveears. So, uh, ink tt.
[1:58:04] Aaron: And s Ipologize, buto we move the ruvenate, which is weid to say yways, um, wn it com to roads, butf w re movin t that and the 1ear sard int 1 years, how many million oves we
[1:58:23] Council Member: ticipate doing I mean, I ll ll start. It s it really depds on t reet. Uh, rht what we ll be loo a is following our current progr where do ourirst mill and ovyt 20 yea, o sond mill and overlay 40 years, at 6 ish yrs, we try toet as mucifeut of street we can and probabl aull dept pavement ral replacemen keep the curb and the ulities, but rlace a e pavemen then startk over whther Mellon overlat, another millnd overlayt 1 probably reconstruc at 120. Now if ask the three o us,ou ll prob get l three slhtly drent answers b roy tha s whae d b oking at. All right.
[1:59:03] Aaron: , this is a h topic o bate t Publiorks parts. It Okay.Eah. Allight. Mostf usren tng toe . Yeah. ,eah, yeahkay. Thank .
[1:59:19] Council Member: I seems like it orth doin
[1:59:25] Council Member: Yeah,h, yeah..Ounds od to me.Ost of us aren t ing to bere right? I I l we c take the m off hat, I m prettye.Eah. But maybe d t cal that out aseason that you re supporting call. Yeah I fair enough. E if we each tak a le rejuvena here, we.
[1:59:41] Council Member: Will beere. I ll let youo. First o based. Yeah. I wt toure out tha s bet Oo fir. Yeah. All rig Thank you. Will be on theune 2nd agea then fory. Grea Ok. Thank you. A. Uh,nd we willet t our final tic of thening. T most citing one, uh, thelic worksive yearip,nd, u Russnd Joses. Mr.Or, tnk you m gng start u h and a,h, as y recnized earli we ha more aeamffort. A so ally, m of the prestation ahis evenin isng t be done by Mr Fan, but I am h is go to let. Me knohat time he.
[2:00:21] Russ: Gets wor in eise to begin with. So, um, suppo five yea cip ih, a inted in the mem theost ough andefinedort y by the Pc Works Departmt and Fince Deptment.H, but. We alking so thatt year.. I kw, I. Know, rea theo.Hat s what So, I d.. Soe re aroximately $160 million plic frastructu tha we proposin we devot more me than any other yea Um, just bece really wanted have goo plan. And needed to. I mea the the. I hope the cil fee tha got their money wor out of sffer this. I do wa to intro,h, sff that is here bec allf
[2:01:07] Russ: em had aigart ot, as well as the team. Se ve got t, Mio,ho sis manar, coordor, and then, , Jen Olsho sur water resour manager, and Jeff ucker, whos our street superintnt. Uh, we got eve Gman, who is our utility supintendent, and Sarah is h younow,ah, , she aaysportive o Us. D, Jh had aig pt o s team, too Um, honestly, ther s couple of our team member se the pubc works,ome in fin. We re t sure which departm they in now, so.Ut I s been a rlly g, uh, team effom, str elef asseanagement being utized at its fullest Um, a l of crvity. I knoetimes
[2:01:52] Russ: creatity a engring and finance folks MAY sous ntradictor but uh, we used a l of creaty, actuall in prepari theip. Um,e we ve some goo discussio with Publi Works Committ over theast twors, and I particular uh, we were preparing for the shortfall cominghortfalln the mor stet fnd, um,now, thathat camo frun, uh, ase pred t CIPou could see thathat was going toappen. So asart of that, we w ve implement in our cos estim, the recommendaons t uh, blic Works Commiee a wl as the l esion, you know, learon just talked ab the 100 yearife o the streets. And w really did
[2:02:39] Russ: um, a spreadi out o a shifting prolongn, I y, o o seet provements So, um, I was and itas, u it a rt t do that and to, u uh,rioritize what str were goi to continu to d thin the five years and wha streets wereoing tush of into theuture. Uh, sirly, we use, uh,uidance from thelity r sdy at was d back in021.M, and we utilize recommeations fromt study. And so you see that and Jos w be tag about that. But um, there propose utility rate ineases thatart the nceution for ensurg the
[2:03:24] Russ: re getting the ulity improvem thateeed done to be cpleted.Ewise, sir tohat shad about the stretchinut o the spingut the seet provements weid aimilar thing w t uti improvemenh, aspect of theip, and I don think d a goodughob, pbly the memo, but Cedar Gro parkin ge I uh, thing that n to the cip. W tkedut it previoly, but that sn incorpor. That s the fit time you ll see the innce or thempact. Uh, you kno for impments and fundg forhat. And sot so, younow, funding for that ght nowill prosed from theor strt fund, andhen thatl b uh, eveually
[2:04:11] Russ: bursedshe distr Dirictiresn 202 So there wile some exchang of mo But withhat, um, I
[2:04:25] Russ: going to, uh, give Josh more littl bit of a lead in and theou can maker way up h as youant,osh. But, uh, the cip propose is fully nded. So tha s that s part of o job to present t cip. That ully fund. It is, uh, future funng. We had tion mk on. And this this ide w used lt year, t So things hav t changed a lot, altughhey hav a litt bit.H, it b a li bit mor an effort to uh, toetding eve to woor thi fiv yrs.H, and thenther refinems comi So, uimilar to the discussion w ve had withhe blic Wor Cmittee, we prly goi to baving moiscussions with t ic Wor Comee.Ut, um, know tha as a t we cank togher and we can make things happen.Ith
[2:05:12] Josh: at, Josh Fel, tha you Josh Mayor couil. Um, I thi Russ reallyn t h itard enough. This haseen a prett good effort on both our teams. And, uh. U ally very proudut how far we gottenith this. U we ve got really two keybers, two th aren here,nd I don t think Rus mentionm, but uh, the ve beeogether a working tether very closely. Robin and Alexandra Iant to givehem ct. Andra an accouant, u in the finance depart. A then n s anet manager in Puic Wor deptment. S uh,uge, ualueromhose twn ts pro.M, m probab notng toe. As lo as Rus thinks I m g to be,ut, u m gng to kind o through couplef ides heairly quicklyut ask questns and therere a bunch ofance slide I m
[2:05:57] Josh: goino start kd o bigger picture. Worky dowo little b moreetail.Nd then Rus I goingo getnto the procts more specilly. So we going t talk money first. Um, whi soundsreat to m I gue. Um, there s availabl funng. That good ws. Uh, the 27 and 2031 cip.M, buthere also creasing fund bces. And thould happen. Re n g to swhatecause re u some of tools th weavevailable, the curr tools tha finan h availabl Um, a tt s the capi improment bonng. Um thi I t new to t city, but it woulde new, uh, for stre reconstctions. And thatasked about, um, I e previou uh, agend item
[2:06:43] Josh: two. So we also goingo be talkingbout increg ility rat u we ve kind of mest increasn t si digange. But the 2021, utility rate study uh, sharere is a need based off o the increased cos to ince those utilityates hen the fure. So we be looking that.M,ndhen, you k we wen throu man iternsfhis cip I want t thankuss team a Russpecificall I thi the fir picre that, you kn financeindf kic back to him, um, was pretty alarming to hont,s f as where we stood whe ite to cas andaving fund balce to payor the project So,
[2:07:29] Josh: , there w opporty Russ took and h team took t to phk proje and ruce aual project and forth. That too. So Russ ma touch on se ofhat ttle bit later too. So it real was a pership t try to m this plan happe But want to highlig th, that t is a fiver plan.
[2:07:47] Josh: D our ass managemen progra nows sing to l out more thanust five years s looking out 20, 5 70. We vead conveions with council,h, regardinghe street pam, major street ogram,ookingt 100 yrs now. So we re really loong in the fut but this an is only for t five yea. In t fiveear plan. Re looking $156 mlion o investmentohe commu.
[2:08:13] Josh: And and those a coming f you know, tax revenue,m, at soming fro special asssments. Uh, somegional projec are also include in is. And right h y can e k ofhe buc. The bts really aren the theoloredreas here. You can nd of see by year, u how much isdedo fund a pay r this cap impront plan. Uh,tty significa investment Um, but we re an aging we re anging city at thisoint, and we nee to reinve ine of o aets here. Um, I doant to highli m noing t get into thepecifics here us yoave questns, but do want tighlight a couplef areas. You can s theapital improvemen bonds, thearoon rtion of these of bars re. Um, that new t the city. U we once again I
[2:09:00] Josh: sh tha we had id nds before for uties, a weust sed that. Thatas kind o a mhanismhat w outlined as part of that021 util rate study Uh,o it s been aalue, and tt s helpin maintai proper cash leve I order to pay for som curren proje ando for. We llalk about that a little t moreater.Ut ne in 2030. And that ind of the outears of thislan. Um. Kind ofard.
[2:09:27] Josh: Not to muc Yh, it s a muc much larger buct, if you will. U andut wt s in ther is cap. Um, street reconstrtion procts. Um, andy citie uh,ondsre used to finance tserojects.
[2:09:43] Josh: That s the mhanism thatould be use becausese proje are oneuch largerost. And t they lasth lon Those ivements last iome cases,tilities 100 years. We re lng ateets for 100rs.O we wouldn t be ndingor that length. Um, buthat s what typic ed as a mecsmo p for ose proje Also, no, you have t pay for dt service related tose bds too. So, uh, tding ses pay thoseonds isng to be a combinaon of, you kno tax revenue assests and utity reve So w don t have that ded andlanned out in this chart. But this chart is jus meant t show you what, um, is
[2:10:29] Josh: lookedt for bondi. Uh, , you kno this is a plan and we re looki at this plan anally. Sohen w look at those o y, theay ch.T likheyl beca it is plaoust keep tt in m a wel So lookin at theajor stree fund, u we rehowing fd lance or cash I youill, uh, going from $16.6 million t .6illion. A you a why? Is thatpening?
[2:10:58] Josh: We, million of bonds is bein issued inrder to mak that hapn forhose street reconstrucjects. You knowhat shat s meant to stize the cash. Um, and then spread t costs o t cuentayers wl.N you bon y have future paymentsor futur ps. Basica these of those imovements wou b paying r those.M, I doant note and the reanhy it is incrsing t, wn w looked at, uh, this fun the majo street f I theg te uh, it it it the was there s challen and I think th was n on the introduc slide And Russ touchen itn his memo and forth.Nd so we trying e mindful o tham, becaus w nee ch t pay for of thosemprovement in
[2:11:45] Josh: e future t s we , we re bngrudent. Uh, b we relso tryin toe, you kn money wise when it c to the fe asell. S. Josh. Yeah.
[2:12:01] Josh: The sixnonds isncluded I the cibutions Uh, from elier slide. , fm fro the slide that bend you rig now. B at six inds is considere part of t2.9. Yes.Y. That mas sense. Yep And that six. T s six o over thentire sparix mites.
[2:12:24] Josh: Over five year pla Yes. Okay Goodstion. Mostl I 2030. As I noted tt piece of the street recstruction.Kay. So lookin at utities, uh, you know,e re lng at bonding inuing t practic as recoended by that 2021ate sty. Uh, we re also looki at ireasing utility ratess well. Um, there s a nhere. Um,his the area that I think drew m concernrom Russ andt t timehene re looking at the pcts, de went tohe toolbox and pulled out t three too at I really hhat w really h as, as a t he.
[2:13:08] Josh: And thatas bonding, uh, utity rat iases. And thenlso loo at, you know, ectuction or and or delay. Um, ando t was, that w wha was neede to of make thatappen. And thk there s als a stresse rtance that because we issuing bonds. You know, thredit rating ageies a alsovaluating our financial health.Nd s I m tryin t stke balce to show that wee thatinancial hea and demonstra that.Nd we do But we also neeo inse rev inhe s te to pay for this five yea plan. So we re looki uty ratn the3% range right now Um, whichn we cre it t other coities, retill on lower, at least as of last ar. We
[2:13:56] Josh: re stillaiting for aa to s resul.Hey d a ey of a the rated communs o area. Um, and wese thate use tha to sehere we lie. But it s one ohoseurveys tha als isifficult because eveity n aifferentge braet, if youill. Um, so re trying te minul of all th.Ut I think ng the ca here, uh, is slightl creasing. And under that 82 s udy, they wanted to look increasin cash,h,ver time. So re tryingo do at. But w re als tg to balce theact to t users a their customershat are pg for thetilities,
[2:14:41] Josh: s um, I believe t is strik prett good lance of thaven though th are some imp 1. Umut Ion tnk any o city isgnoring thet that thin are getoretly. D s u we lso in a world tthat s thee, too. So re tryg to
[2:15:01] Josh: mindfulf a t. So capit provement, bonding toued on it a lit bit. We are we do h some debt service obligaons a par of thi plan. Um, so those arelso embedded in there asell.M, thre rommended t 21 Rate stu Um, they are gnated specific stree andlity project a they reire t deb ser obligati too Sore s inst to it a well. So ere sost issui bonds. And Ion tnow for us you to tou on thislide at all Yeah You k so just somef e key this that Josh a I already tdbout w rega toip is this is w slide, not just an ued slide, but justheiming of both the seetnd the uty programs thate veou know,
[2:15:46] Russ: we vee ve definit taken thejects that we orinally ha in our f yea and read those out.O I m not saying thatalf of the were ved fm theeearip, bu a nrf them were ved fm t cip And so we we to priitize,ou know, which osere a to, uh, last a le bit longe We re ng we re belie they wi be. Um,ut tt t was ig par of bothhe stree andtility. Um, improments in ournd so tha weould actually finance, younow, everythi that we we oposing or we reoingo opose I ouriveear plan.
[2:16:27] Russ: Umhe finan strategosh has bee talking abo that, uh a big help fromhe fire partmenthen we talked about some of the assesent befits th the, uh,oth fro the cu and gutr assessmen as well as the rejuve our sessments.H, w ve been pug, um, in le wit the street, annual stree imprents. The utili partment uty divisio of public Works departoes in and inslls hal 1 mil to1 million worth ofhe stores fitngs. Now the stor s fngs are what put on fire hntso thathey canake a qer connecti. Now they have. t n, wou tel you that 5 of t hydrants, a 50% of theublicydrantsn
[2:17:13] Russ: gan, uh, can amodate have ose store fits and can accoodate theuicker, connecon 50%.On t they he the old connectio now? Ere s a feconds. Re talkinbout an additiol timet is require butll of o fire trucks are equippe toake conions bh styles ofireydrants, um, uh, adjacentmunities that we, uh, asst a fire callstimes. Uh, don have storag fitngs. So, younow, enever we going out to thosemunities whe we hav the toolsnd a the fire truc to accommotehose, uh, hrants as w the with our new fire chief, I know ashe w herlier th evening, I shoulde given h a sut o when s s here, but, uh,ough discusons that and I had
[2:18:02] Russ: and other on her staff, um, I share just the challenge tha we we hav uh, withhe utilit financi andked out t half 1lion to $1 millio costs related to the stores, fngs.Nd,ou ow, fmur dcussions,he indica that she fel comfble, as did the rest of her other fn h staff that ife wou slow downhe uh retrofitt with the st, uh, fitng. So cally, uh, w was going to happenn t next t, ten s from now basedn o old schedu, we wld hav had ev public fydrant, u have the store sittings o them w a reduced schedul we ret goi t cut it in half, uh, every year, far as t spendin on store
[2:18:48] Russ: fitt,t would stretch it ounother 30 years. So, um, that whate re tha slso en include withhe c, the par gage was addedo it, as I menti earlier So ose are some o the maj components of that. Wante t incateo theouncil or sh with y guys ypologies. Uh,t s t implation of thatore is ing esion in terms of rvice? In, how do prioritihat s been, uh,
[2:19:24] Council Member: trofit already versu wh arehere h do you prioriti whathe nex up is in a swchedule, I guess. Sure MR. Mor,t w would do is like, we sed thtreet improve sche in the past, and it was an even match, soe would just start takingf of ttreet imprement sedule, we track of a thoseou know, wit our Crogram. So would ey tock those. Andh aet managent, tt would very easy t just track the individu hydrants and the neighbors to understan h ones were due.R, y kn we could schedhose ou easy. Sokay, so s not a it not a matter of whey re most mean, it s synced u with t stet impront, n
[2:20:11] Russ: necessaril with a this is a provement to t hydrant. And this isn ahereave poteially highe fire service tractin we do I this . MR. M, tha s a g questi Tha s shing I thinkthis pointt we can do, youw, sohat is a even though our our past prae has bn jus folwinghe streetrovements that we h scheduleith this chang we canoritize. W would it be mos impornt to put in a stesitting, you know, where wouldt be best t have tho oner than latero I thi your p I is ay good I m, if we extendt timi out0 y, then, um, what s t next retro that go to be rlacinghe store ittings? U and so I, I yeah, that
[2:20:58] Russ: s kind of w pefully the isn t. Uh, that s proba n going toe the cas Somy will co up withetterolution that thean sell. Yo re probayht. i Ink theef innovationneydrant connonsslower. It might be.
[2:21:18] Russ: Yeah. Mean, because thenes wese have beensed prettyh fever. Uh, I d say at l a hun yearsbe. Yeah. Okay We ll see I m hding my hovaftstion until later o. All right I ovene.
[2:21:40] Josh: Um and seurselves from a queson, b uh, pleas you knowooking at summary futur fund bances, you kno I allu to the ftt we t some cenges. I be forthcg. But, y know, that looking thehort term, we re ting t address ourhort ter cip I t in thresentatiout, uh, rtreet fun nds assiance. We already we alady doing wor toddress that. Rightm, we re looki at ouressmentolicy. Um, and tt s,hat sn are we , we and we re tending the lefe o th asss to t streets and forth. So tt s goi to help signintly in long ru for ttd. But we goin to keepluating that.
[2:22:18] Josh: Uh, utility rat and uh, bog increo offse me of tho, u f deses t k of prop uhe ch tha s nd hat fund for operatis and, and just capital improvemts as wel You need ca to still do that. And w thosapital improveme uh, as Ihowed them, that bt ki oflide, thear chart, , they c fctuate f o ar to the next prey signicantly. Um, as shad, we re goio continu to annually annual, um,o alysis ohat our water mandsre a w o venue structureooks l too. We had se conversatis authathat ght loo like.Nother r study probably cg soon here. Se c kind of refsh what we re looking a and get a
[2:23:03] Josh: be picture too. S um, and en, uh, in theg term, you know, connueo lookt ity rat andondings well. Thatight a part of that rate study I the
[2:23:16] Josh: future to. So jus fro a l t, Inly hav two more slidt. And m goi to hand it or to Russ for more, uh, excitg sff w you re arting toook ate pictures what these projecookike. Youan seeortreet Fund, uh, the liter,h,e jus k of
[2:23:35] Josh: s cash. U with, uh, with nding. Andhen w you get to 2 you can see 202 you see that pctedh wiout bonds it going down.E re still maiaining there at least uh,tatus quo of cash levs. Youan see th fluctuati thatccur wiin t fund from fm expees staint. So jt nted to note that I think it s a gooicture,o show tsne s probabl a ttle bit more.Nd this is where t concername I from.
[2:24:04] Josh: Ss and I a littl bit more en we wer looking at, um, thtilities fundn therunk funds, we do hav t fds that ant for the, u utility type project Um, and, uh, the publi utilities fund ts to pointhere it near, uh,he amot that w re looking a from operating cashtandpoint. So we nee w to three month operatin expense, u for cash. U so, whichs about $5 llionnnually or. Yeah, nuallyt the e of tear when wypically meat.
[2:24:38] Josh: Um,nd so we re looking at trunk fund, uh, sentially loan interlly. I were to geto t gative zon tre and n t w toross kindf pollinate fundsf won t ha to. And becse Iant to bee to ansr thestions of therediting ages, if they haveone, bute do have a plan.
[2:24:55] Josh: Josh, I apologi Cane go backo the pous sli
[2:25:02] Council Member: Su. Um, I. In the wor of Dzelashington, like, I m a six year old.M, canou help mith. Because it loo to meike. Andaybe just remind me, what d we do in 20 to, u t ttash vel a t expenditu l? Becau seems that. In,m right ? That serlap a an a not great way the Well Andhat was threeears ago.
[2:25:29] Josh: Soh.He ora bar or the orange line is the expen d so when that goes signiftly, t chip significan So,m, I t know iou canook at it from that pective so much what u resking,ut, um, well, I guess because of. Theject, wt I ooking at ist our expens wer beyo what we h in cas u and Ian that that, you kn wheret we re b on thight se tho t those two relatiops. And I must kind trying t fi out what. Wha do we do I 2003 to ben that, to nd thaturve for lac of a betterm? Uh, MR. Mayor, we a signifant siz ove oject. Soany, mane mile of str thane typicall would have in our typil street impront
[2:26:15] Josh: projects. Ok so wethe expen curv down to accommoda tha Correct? O Councilmeer Bide Adding iould he made this over cplex. But I mea ere s there s lin f c bala andhere linesor expendit, butre I t a ne for rue rig, funding influx. Yeah. So that migh explain t timin o some of tse thing But ad that wld haveen t uttered. So you me the righ graphical choice. Jos You giv thato Russ. Nice job.
[2:26:46] Council Member: Right Thank you. I jt wanna mak sure I m clear o though. Hefully this do t get too cered when you starting look at bog whout bonng.Ut I thint, you know, portr od message augh at least the nee for I Tt s w That hy I includ itn here. So. Okany other fina rel quest or anythingikehat tha I c answer? Whyhe ansr.
[2:27:06] Josh: No. Okay. Thank you. Actually, Mor, just one quic quen. Um, one of t ier slides, um, where we had the b graph. J curious, how does that, you know,t project out five yes? H d that match up with what we ad the prev ce of y? Are they ptty muchhe sam o are t or allseut y gettindjusted ery every yearhen yo ts esentation? Uh I can I ll lets talk. Oh,hat sough thing.Kay. Yeah. Um.
[2:27:42] Council Member: Mr Mayor andouncilembers, it a greatuestion. And we ca do that.H, we got all this, you know, you s the samenformation eve yea so wean lay them side by side an show y how things are, eching upo wha wee projecting waseah, I d t k if that necessary I w just wondg, are they pretty ose from yea toear? I would I wou say,l, I , I ll thi Um, do t know.R do have any recotion ontreet provements o Jef Sounds like it you can move on I wasust just curious aboutow how uh, that have ced.
[2:28:18] Russ: I think itould b fairo y, Russ, tha this was prob one of the bigger nements of the f yr cip. solutely. And if we would ha shown youhat we sta withhich is tically what weo, I mean, we py much g with our begin, uh, oposal.M, I wouldave been signicantly hig than t. So botn thetreets and utilies persptive.
[2:28:41] Russ: So and j uh, while we ,owe, uh, why in 2030 ishe, u uh, county, state and feral funding level s much meinished over evious andheoretical subsequent years Uh, count state and federal? Oh,t ty re dhe ere sot o greenwa constructi going onn the nextew y. So trail projtsoing on. Um, I d t ink ofnyerrojects. Ose are the big ones.
[2:29:14] Russ: Yeah those are the o. So not a lotf trailrovements ing o I 2030. So okay, s pmarily what that I I mean, there soingo be I ink I 3here goi toe an underpa Yaneoodle right o the Immig Hei boer.T stty ificant. So s not that tha s dimini.T st tt previous years tre was an extra. E s ts extrancrease in tyding I partilar for the gwayjects. Ay.
[2:29:43] Russ: Sokay. Thanks. Thks. Al right.O,m, y know, it ind ofeen ame of ght, uh,ure finements, how we re going to fine things. A iearch of ailableding. Ll acknowle tha Um, uh,e have tone a lot of, u um, um look for a lot of ste or ral fding in thet, uh, w have irovement like whene did 149 or comb. 14955 segment. And when Itaeder a lg time o, highw 1 youno um, we looket f feral fuin and receid fedal fundgthose tes. Um, w haven t bn doi tt. There s,h, and I ll own responsili, ahough I thk there sthers that fee
[2:30:30] Russ: the same way. The s at s nd of a, I s, a pain to getome of t federalunding sometis. And,ndo, u I order to, u uh, jushe parom aistrativeos in particular consuants and use of the I my phisoph sn we got t g aot of money ord to jusfy tha in And so f thees of projec that w typical en dng, u ty haven warrd tse tesf, uh, funding amotsut,h, we ve got, uh, I ounow,ouncil member Hann iicated he s o theabhe traportatn adsory boa. Mn the ack. Tha s, u pviding informn and guince to t
[2:31:15] Russ: tab. Partf theeaso f that is so Ianette undersndow ttlof financg gs for trsportion improvent ve got o gduat enneer,rincip enginr. Now,ur pncal. Prcipal engras bee gog out.Nd, uh, gng raining f, u getti, u know, uh,ederalding and stu likehat. Uh,e are dog theafe.H, se street andoa forll w apprede re approd at th pnt with wt the counlas aroved,ith t edsnalysis tha w tl you wt doou call im, so that we reow eligie for fuinor dng this such as pedesiandicycle imprements.O you going to be seein in parlar r thatne inarticula Yo
[2:32:03] Russ: reng to being me plicatns forunng fm theta and fer for to ess some ohe needs. So that s pt ofow we re going to lk for additna funding Um, infsture managemt progra, asset coordination. Younow, y veeen hearing aut somef t um, um I mor, assessments is xt. Sorry. Uh, s infrasucre managemen prm. M justry to make o u infrastur longer as lon as ss. So wt d that me Well, maybee re going tota dng antance different, you know, and, uh, andhe rejuvenateers al coat applications,h, redevelopmen assessments , there ome redevops thave occurred, l for
[2:32:50] Russ: stce, um, Tms Reuters redelot. T staff looked a the penal nd r the, u, replacent or zing of thetream saniry sewer, dependi upon what happed onha site. No upo what develope there,e didn te to gohere. But, uh, we would have onef those suggestionsha was goi makes that weav t done in the past, ist tha upgrade the siz theos to adsensm sani seweripes wou be a ect the developer That s somnge didn t it. Vikings lakes. Uh, not we haven tehat in other places where we e relot,hat s that s new wayf thinking, I
[2:33:35] Russ: guess,t we have assent uh, o nement, the pavement managemerogram, extending the l expdif of streets, assessment policy, ke we talkedbo t evening. A thenritizing, , our,ur existing utiliti at t lt council meeting, w did vation. Cnc d vacati of aubcemt on arite prope tha h private pipes within it.Art t reason for ts moveny confusion tt the ty is resibor those private pes. Sh a pu worksomtt, we ve had somecuiobout,h, sooa typef neighborhoo er most of t utilities wiin theer sanitar
[2:34:21] Russ: rnd stormew, a under publi responsit veotesential develots liket.E ve t commercia a iustrial, residel oomrcial a indust delments where there sll these, u pc ilie becau they re in publicemts butll ey re doing serving, u andefin t adjacent er owners.Y not pridg any benefito the puic ste And s by defion by m definitio uh,y shoul ty should b private, you kw, they oun t be pub Ando shoulde thoseff of hands.Ow, u wead that scsiit those school strict 1 with t improvemen with tctit
[2:35:07] Russ: nt atheigh schoo Um, the discussass that, um u a I don t thi don thi we had t discussiont the public about eat main a, uh, of zingtuff for tt.Ut pafhe discussion there was, youno we got a big loop of watern that s goground theide school d high sch u a it s just serving the schoo It s t servingnydy e It no benefiting the systems not th plic wer system is not nefiting bause ofha Shou the sch pay 1 of osorhe the water main? And, u I thinke did vehat discussion. Was wle ago,ut I think ensr was.
[2:35:51] Russ: The cusn w isha um, myeclection was the ncsion w that,o, y know, it s a pli youw, because thechl districts bl. You ke can coinue taintainhat. But hang those tes of estions,ounow, are addressing the are becau there are defele areas in townhe, ain I m opin theefinition of bl, private, thehese system thesetityte ou b private.Nd that ou b the cos responli f, um,ou know,se private loen.O tt s just whever wean on that.
[2:36:28] Russ: But cncil mem, will llow. Up wou Thankou Um, yeah. On that st item, the h kindf jump o at meecause, mean,e
[2:36:40] Council Member: ve h some u intenance a repai issues at homes I Eagan and layering th overhe topt seems to meik it cld b problematic. Mean, wld is th something ttould be vioned for future developmen orou we going t developments tha alreadyst and sing, oh, by the way, now you re reonsible for yr utiliti asell.
[2:37:06] Council Member: . Mayor.Ouilmber, subpoenane discussion we ve hadnd withe h they ve, they ve hadommunications wihe city. The cy staff r the lasivelusrs yb ten y. B um, and th
[2:37:24] Russ: re weavore wer mn ks onir property than weo anywher else I the ci. Uh,tocay, we ha. A so,m, ahe city sone in repaire all o them. Ty ve wtedoo som improvements o tir property, do n driveways, repla their dreways, recruir drivewaysndarking l and ch Um, ahe ve got som other iss They wano redo Jacksonidingnd stuffe that. Se ve a converonh themhere expressn intern replacing coordinating acenhe utilities wheny doinghe site replacements or driy reemtsndtuff, a th hng t over the, uh, utils believehey ou b becausehe suld
[2:38:10] Russ: beva. In perspective. Umndn we re,ou know, re done withm,hen we walk away. Iea they ve g a brand n uties bn it s theirs, you know,o take ref them, responsible fom thenn.Ho e ting wise, it n we t just knock on pe doornd sing, hey,ounow, an you toe back y pipes. Thene m recently t eementacio as a chang I property owners And tha hy,ou knowheimgf that one. But, uh,n particular, it s cong whent s wt s nvie theoa or the operty oer wherehe gogo be someromes done. Ght, especia saying te ckounow, 40 yearld pis sethingik that.
[2:38:51] Russ: And then rht wt s time to rlacehem, they rein they re k o stuck wit . So,h, goodlafition. Than y. Uh,hi I d answe m questi auay. Okay. Yeah. I md. So ainha sotsfuture scsions.O.Ll right, uh, I o tough these pretty quickly.Egnal transportation improvement looking atordor study onilow u from 16 of tap Val thh, u for 9o all the wa through Apple Vley, and you u tt s I that s I 27 Um, part of the improvementshat Joeald
[2:39:37] Joe: ouhi is theerctn of Cliff and hhway tee So, uh, I don kwf we reading 31, so veot that in ouras year f, um, um, e cip. Andhehe.Nd I wo t go on. O this I uh, Nicholsd goingow to the river. U w ve been tki ab tt for a l time.
[2:39:57] Joe: Fldingonr, northern Vance, northernong earedat. What?Us p, bumble ahole bunch o her things.P messingp the cruioede for. Th. Sohe tv pks up he. Ok. Sry abo tt. Yeah.
[2:40:12] Joe: Light,trtmpvents. Ese are the str improvts that arerose I what s t ylow patn th ntheast stion?Ha s not ian Oh,h, that thatou b the inteng t proposed tehae with Argentand 494. Oh,ka it s kindn informna thi I don t ow that it e hard f u , Ink be f toav onbity,ost, spsibilityr obligation. Hor,he council has bn orve f the last 20 ar onoi stu t lo at a rioleeor aneran.
[2:40:53] Joe: So, oy All rig On this one t mostf a ehis I want t highlight to you, t a all tic stet improvements. But the onant to hhlht to y are, un the c Grove area.O I thinkhi is Ced Grove. Sd, this I Cedar ov First, uh,e talked out 2030nd the expense in 30 Ahis tder. So th two and this o, the t yellow os wouldn 2030. Remberow highhe eense was in 203 Andhen the r one her wld be03 Those are complete str nsucon complete acen o water. Main stor sewer, sitary sewer I er isind of a mixf ductileronip andom of soe won necessarily replace
[2:41:39] Joe: the dle iron pe, but all e castn pipe. U we were taing aboutt littleit earlier. So, u those are, the are bed on um, in essence, jt hin t the cast iron pe beinghe initial somela uh, sataryew a wl. T premts. Uh,hinke gothe the gwa u cee, y know, the
[2:42:11] Joe: Grnway, u the, um. Veterans vete Miail be cotructed ts yearit the ovss overigayee Um, up I the norst corners the, u Lan Hls I believe that I. Sun..
[2:42:30] Joe: , s Okay, so again, il some b u greenway prts,ignalnd interson improvementm, stotorthy areow on Cliff a, uh,hosak Ceer Thoma Lake Dri that s lking a flip floppi Sohtow, t as Lake Cens where the signal I, uhat s the ad to the s? It s Bcol.
[2:42:59] Joe: Ac hill?H. Tnk you. , and then relocating or, you , remov tt traffic signal a putting bnd new one a Tmaak Road and Cliffnd it ummit, I think, on the south. Re doingin What tt? Do kw when it s going t happen?
[2:43:18] Joe: , that o is, uh,en So that s pse for02 That one s t o s got 2 years historyn it.Ea Aar ashe ones t a gng to haennce it sngo happen a now t re osg auay the cnt ispongo a corr udro um, 35 e. N f ny Ko Pilotno a so no oy whey be loo at putti fli flopn t sign but ty d be loo at potal thr quarter intersections andontrols on dierent interio.O, uh, till be aot of we ve been reall strongl couraging the need f public inputn that.
[2:43:56] Joe: Sos t logic on tha becaus Thomas Lake is a. That a Thomasake summi that omas Lake smit, that tt as Lake exton to t norths actuallys actua a tr rd.Es a opposedo uh, that Thomas Lake Centerr whatevt I Um,s at a os loop. Ioe t go roh it anyway, rht yep Sohat s a lic tot.
[2:44:21] Joe: Fm a tra enginee pepeive it m total sense whathe re saying. Ok.O um, a andll the des along Bcon h agree what logic. No, no. No tre will be l of int gd inputn that. I been pushing thisor 20 yrs. Not that Iage wi t trafficngeeng, but. That lle f.
[2:44:46] Joe: That wille fun. So, uty improveme um, mix of,h, improveme both eorth Waterreatmentla an the South w Treatment Plant. Se of theig stuffn er at the Sth Water Treatment Pnt is, u a generator. Sm, we would be in a wor of hf, u the r went and we dn t ha geror tre to k that.M, uh, treat plant going, u as wel a some of th wellsun ito feed So, uh,ha s,t the si oft. That kindf probablyheiggestne r qualitymprovements. Uh, aot of these a, uh, am dong just,h,ediment remoh, not that they
[2:45:32] Jenna: insignificant. Rht. Jenna. Certainly Notll right, b . Just notnyin t s tha
[2:45:45] Jenna: re costly. S sit that, uh I really wto thankhe staff. I mean, it osh, I ve s aea, In, thi is ae, hug teamfft, d I didn t point o Tim and ro in theor but t andar haven a huge fort.H, been a hugeart of its well.Ut, u I was a lot ofk. But, uh, I,e Jo said,eel Iee really od about we ve este u thank to you folks fll your spo sting a t questions that you reskg. Um, so du, uh, I y if, I you haveisns we ll mak those revisio uh, between nownd, and iallyunnd, w propo to bt to cnc forormal arol at the JUNE 2 c council
[2:46:33] Russ: eting.Nd tn, u uh, wh that, the council typical wo aro t beginning of th initinf the provements pcessor t first tea soe cld go t and do tng oo feasit stu and sff liket. Um, qio, comments I just wt to callut um, I appreciateheho outo council. Do want tall Cncmember Flds in abnt Cncilmember Botkin, ut something u ve done a lot o wk with eublic Worksomttee.H, and t s, uh,ha s era time that youhave to put in. So thankor that work.
[2:47:07] Mayor: Uh, andow y wanted t speak, so. Itoesn t sik work cae it s fun. Um, jt just a quick quen.Hat s the, uue sou on the generator fhe water eatment pla I t it s dieiel? Yeah.
[2:47:23] Council Member: Okay. An just, m Mayor, jt one coent. So rht in the ginning, youd thatou re an engr, so you reot terribly cative,uth, somengeemo the st creative pple I kw. An so juston t sellouel sht. Ihi thatou ve detred t he.Nk l right. An y. Wl, sell youf shorou re a tremendous loan.
[2:47:43] Council Member: Ye. Another. What what s the, uh. Um, geneon capac o tt generato Do y know, off t top ofrea We re still loo io it. Ther aew different opt that w lking at,e, uh, Ian back t that. Okay, Be se to tk tevour ca eleca cpa m be, bec theyen have prrams that wl cooat baup genor so t they repahae.Ndha createsenitot for t id and forntendednd us We re onhaolder.Es . Yeah a we yea w ve been dog that. Ande had a coersation wh them eli this yearr last fl. Y ay Goo You ren it. Th re good teamm. So.
[2:48:30] Council Member: All right oy.Hanks t presentation Thanks fhe . Yh. T y. Fin an public w as well. Um and with tt noer questionh, ande have ti to tt on Je 2. Uh,xcle. B nht. JUNE 2nd. Uh, withhat, we hav no other buss. I peo a. Moon to adjourn Second moved a seconded.Ll in f,ayye we re