Welcome to the Mountain City Council. It's Tuesday, August 26th at 6:00. We're in Mountain City Council chambers and we rise for the Pledge of Allegiance. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right, we got our agenda. Do we have any amendments? >> No amendments to the agenda. [Music] >> Can you fix the volume? Because then they're not going to hear us on the video. [Music] >> It's not on at all. >> It's picking them up. Oh, >> but they >> point to your ear. >> Test. >> Testing. Testing. >> Nothing. >> I can hear you. [Music] >> We're glad you can hear her since she's next to you. Otherwise, it would be a problem. >> I have a lot of problems, but it's not that. [Music] [Music] look good on the >> say that is slow and difficult. >> Oh, I did watch the video from the last meeting. I found out that you don't have to be right up to the mic to get it to pick it up cuz the DNR person was kind of to the to our right. >> You can hear >> Well, he had a bell. >> Yeah. I And I was standing. I was about this [Music] >> speaker there. >> What he was saying is there everything's on over here. That red guy. Twist that loud. [Music] >> Yeah. >> Is mine on? Is yours? [Music] >> This is new to me. I have to deal with this. >> Yell. Yeah, if you could. I mean, not great timing, but >> picking it up for the video. >> Yeah, everything's on on hitting this side and everything's working over there. So, all right. >> Obvious too. >> All right. So, we got our agenda. Do we have any amendments? >> No. Still no amendments. >> All right. Can I get a motion to approve the agenda? >> I'd like to make a motion to approve the agenda. >> Got a motion. Can I get a second? >> I'd like to pull a do that. Okay. I got a motion. Can I get a second? >> Second. >> Any discussion? All those in favor, please say I. >> I. Those opposed. >> All right. The agenda is approved. Next, we got our consent agenda. Does anybody want to go through those? >> Mr. Mayor, >> I'd like to pull C on the consent agenda. >> Okay, we'll pull C for discussion. Does someone want to go through A, B, D, E, F, G? Um, I can read through all those, but we're not reading off C then. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Correct. >> All right. Consent agenda. Um, I item A, approve payment of claims. B, approve minutes from the August 12th city council regular meeting. D, approve resolution 2571, approving variance at 3343 Warner Lane. E. Approve resolution 2572 approving subdivision exemption for Lake Minnetonka Flats at 2400 and 2420 Commerce. F. Approve resolution 2573 establishing parking restrictions on commerce. And G, pay request number two and final in the amount of $6,6325 to Floor Coat Midwest for the 2024 manhole rehab project 2405. Okay, we got all those on the consent agenda. Does anybody want to talk about any of those? >> All right, hearing none. Can I get a motion to approve the consent agenda? SANS C. >> Uh, I'd like to make a motion to approve the consent agenda SANS C. >> All right, got a motion. Can I get a second? >> I'll second. >> Got a second. Uh, roll call, please. >> Council member Heric. >> I. >> Council member Mcini. >> Hi. >> Council member Pew. >> Hi. Council member Castellano. >> Hi. >> Mayor Holt. >> I. >> All right. All that passed except for C. So, we're going to have C be a discussion item. Do you want to lead it off? >> Oh, Mr. Mr. Mayor, before >> we move ahead on this, uh, mayor and members of the city council. Uh, this meeting is a limited public forum. The item was pulled from the consent agenda. Is a discussion between the city council. This is not a public hearing and as such there's no right for the member of the public to address the city council on this matter. Discussion should be limited between the members of the city council. >> Okay. Mr. Mayor and members, I've asked that we pull this and hold it unted for at least another 30 to 60 days. I know this is a difficult conversation and many of us have some hard lines at it, but I think in the end just denying the lid does not address the issue. We have a lake which is very much a vibrant part of our community. It's what people identify as us being a recreational and a and a livable community and that we as a council need to take leadership and be responsible in looking at alternatives or setting up some opportunities for addressing the water issues. I know we've got a lot of water issues in front of us with drinking water and our lake water, but we can't we can't just walk away and say no and not take other directions or at least set out a plan for looking at exploring new relationships and partnerships. And you know, we also need to look at, you know, I've been on the council now almost eight years, and I have to admit that during that time, we never really um checked on what um the lake um Minnetonka Conservation District did. We'd always get the report and we'd approve it and we paid our dues. And last week when we had the hearing, I think we all discovered, well, what are they doing for us? And I have asked them for information about what they're doing for us as a city. when you look at their website, it says conservation. And so we need to look at are they a credible partner that we need to hold accountable to address this issue in our community. So I'd like to make a motion to table. >> Well, since I got a motion, um, does anybody want to second that? >> I have discussion I want to make, but I don't want to second that. So, how do we do that? >> Well, do we have to kill it first or? >> Well, it would if there's no second, the motion would fail for a second and then you can make a motion on the resolution and then have discussion with if it's seconded. >> Okay. Or if or if you want what I would suggested that or if the mayor allows, you can have discussion now on it >> before it's seconded. >> Yeah, I haven't changed my mind. I just wanted to make comment but I guess I won't second. >> Tech technically we we do discussion after we get a second. So let's just do discussion after the first. So if you want to say anything go ahead. Um well four weeks ago we had our meeting on um was four weeks ago in July on the water treatment plant and it was like a you know $30 million discussion and we had like seven people here >> and you know last week last meeting we had standing room only. So, I mean, I I hope HBA can can take feedback from that and implement sustaining memberships. Um, they have 144 people that want to support them and signed up to give them money annually. So, I'm hoping that they can organize that on their own. Um, I'm sure a lot of their members were paying more than that. I'm certain they were. Um, and that's just properties in the lid. So, they they've got a good group. Um I'm just not able to to second it with the level of detail and that kind of cites Sherry's point where you know future lids and stuff like that. We just need a process for what we what information we want in a proposal and I'm not super thrilled about the LMC kind of excusing themsel from the conversation either. You know I don't want to accept that. Okay. Any other discussion? Okay, I I kind of wrote some words. Um, I don't know if I did a good enough job last time saying my thoughts after five and a half hour meeting. Um, these are the reasons why I'm not going to support the lid. In my handful of years on council, this has been the most divided issue that I've seen. This has turned into a divisive issue, pitting neighbor against neighbor. A lid effort should not tear people apart. It should bring people together for a common goal. Unfortunately, there's a disagreement on what this goal is. Some people want chemical treatments. Some people don't. Some people want weed pulling. Other people think there's a problem and some people think there's no problem. Uh the city and think the city should should not be involved uh in in this uh in this lid to be the answer. A lid does force a city to be part of the process. It does force all to pay with the taxing uh authority even if they oppose. A lid adds an extra layer of bureaucracy that is not easy to be undone. A lid has legal liabilities per state statute and if the lid fails to pay their bills or dispands, the city has to step in and pay the bills. there is liability if something major happened with the lawsuit as long as it's within the legal statute of limitation that the city would have to step in and pay a deductible which we've had this happen before and it was very expensive. These are not all true with the fundraising model. The Harrison's Bay Association has done a phenomenal job with what they're doing. Like it or not, they can keep doing a sustaining membership. They can do a recurring payment of the members that want to be involved. They know the yes votes. They they have the people. We had a meeting in June about the lid. We had a threehour public meeting two weeks ago which almost two hours were public comment. We let everybody talk. Everybody had a chance to get their opinion across. We got calls. We got emails, text messages. We have had months to review this issue. We voted 4-1 against this just two weeks ago and we're finalizing the vote tonight because of the 10-day period. If the city doesn't want to take this on, it's our decision. We were elected to represent all of Mound residents, not just the supporters of the lid, but also not just the the non-suporters. We're representing the interest of the city as a whole. First, if this went through, it'd be Harrison's. Then we have Holsteads, Priests, Cooks, Lost Lake, Emerald, Satan, Jennings, Black Lake, excuse me, uh, Spring Park Bay, Phelps Bay, not to mention two other lakes, Dutch and Langdon. LMCD should be best suited to take care of this uh of the issues that I understand they're underfunded for this and they used to do some weed pulling a couple years ago. All cities on the lake should be advocating for them to help. LMCD should get funding through state or DNR to address the the weeds of Lake Matonka lakewide. Again, for these reasons, I vote that we just move forward and decline this tonight. >> Mr. Mayor, >> I just want to add some facts to this. >> Yeah. >> We need to understand that the city has 92 docks on the Harrison Bay. We have two swimming beaches. >> We have uh launched two launching stations and we have two parks. We are equally integrated. We're a third. if you added our numbers to the homeowners. We're a third of the population directly using Harrison Lake. So, I'm saying we need to not just say no and walk away. We need to be more proactive in this. I think it's also important to understand I know that people don't want to pay the cost. And one of the things that we have to own up to in mound almost 74% of our tax base are homeowners on the lake. They represent 74% of the tax base. Those of us who don't live on the lake, we represent less than 23% of the tax base. And the difference is about 2 to 3% commercial. So, we're we're not addressing a major stakeholder in our economy who's come to us and asked for us to help them save that asset. And we're on that asset. And so, what if it's all the other ba bays? They're all Lake Manitaka. I mean, Paul Larson comes and says the jewel of our city is Lake Manitaka. We have the longest shoreline of any city. Well, no. Orno now has a longer shoreline because they bought Big Island. But we did have the longest shoreline of any city on the lake. We also have the largest public dock system in the entire state of Minnesota. And now we've taken 92 of those and we're saying we're not going to participate in a process that will benefit our community. And I with that I will close. But I think that you know we have to understand the facts and you know sometimes leadership is stepping out and braving new frontiers and I wish we fortunately would take that leadership and find an opportunity to fund this uh to to not hold LMCDA the Minihaha watershed DNR not accountable on this is unconscionable. Okay. Anything else? [Music] [Applause] So, we pulled we pulled C. It kind of sounds like we're kind of where we were two weeks ago. Does someone want to make a motion to approve the resolution number 2570? >> I can do that. And hopefully everyone can get along in their neighborhoods and just focus on hating me. Um 4 C approve resolution 2570 denying establishment of Harrison Bay Lid. >> Okay, we got a motion. Can I get a second? >> Second. >> Any other discussion? >> All those in favor, please say I. And >> I. Those opposed? >> I. >> All right, that carries. >> All right. Number five in November. Yeah, you know who I'm voting for gets reelected. >> They don't have to worry. I'm not running. >> I care about the mayor. Thank you, council. >> The right decision was made. >> I'm just going to let him filter out here because it's loud. I might need to close the door. All right. Number five, we have com comments and suggestions from anybody present that their item was not on the agenda and is not on the agenda coming up >> and mayor and uh members of the city council. This agenda item is for public comment. Um it is specifically limited to items not on the agenda. Items on the agenda include those items that were on the consent agenda and pulled from the consent agenda. Um, so citizens may bring up an item that's not on the agenda to the city council's attention by stating first their name, their first name and last name and and address for the record. And the comment should be limited to three minutes. >> Okay. You want to come up, give us your name and address. [Music] >> Hello everybody. My name is Johan Schuma. I reside at 6039 Beachwood Road. Um, thanks for your work. I understand it's hard. You do for the best of the city and some people I mean it's hard. Yeah, thanks. >> Um um regardless, I'm talk I'm here today for um fiber optics installation. I've sent you guys an email. I don't have a chance to read it. Um but I'm pretty worried about the way the the contractors are putting in the the fiber optics right now in my neighborhood. Um Frontier has already installed the fiber optics. It's in the backyard on Eastman line. It's buried. They did a neat job. Perfect. Now I'm seeing what's happening on West Edge and that really scares the heck out of me because they look like cowboys. Um maybe because they're digging from the front line from the front of the property. Therefore, they have to be careful of the water man and the electricity or whatever gas line that comes through. So they have to dig every basically every 9 ft. They have there's a hole. >> Um so that makes me very worried because my garden is going to be like trashed. It's going to take forever to recover. I got trees. I'm not even sure the trees won't die. Um, and I'm also um curious because say I choose to have another electricity provider than Excel Energy, the other provider is not going to come and put a pole in my yard for yet another power line. They're going to use the same power line. So, what's happening with those um internet providers like Miko? Can't they just say, "Okay, there's the conduit from Frontier. would just put our fiber in there or use the same fiber. Um, done. Easy peasy and less disruption for people. So I understand that you guys are very very busy with other topics but if you could look into that and maybe knock some sense into the contractors so they don't transform our city into um holes or having those ugly armorers sitting in front of our yard for just another communication because then there's going to be media was going to come and do the same jazz again the yard to put yet another box and yet another fiber. It's completely crazy. Yeah, I appreciate we we got your email. I know I got it. Uh we've got about 100 emails today, so it's been it's been hard to respond to everybody, but >> So, thank you. I don't know what you can do, but if you if you can do something. >> Yeah, I appreciate it. We >> Yes, we are. It's It's an issue as you see my front yard as you walk next to it every day. >> Yeah. >> Uh I had an issue as as well cuz when they when they come then they put down seed. >> Mhm. And then I just get a bunch of weeds. My rest of my yard looks fine roughly. And then now that part looks terrible. Now I got to go to the store and buy, you know, some seeds and, >> you know, whatnot. So believe me, Jesse knows about it. We're talking about it all the time as well as public works. So um, your your email is is timely and I I will forward I don't know if Jesse got it, but I'll forward it to him and we'll we'll see what we can do. >> Okay. >> Appreciate it. I appreciate that. >> Good comments. Thanks for your work. Thanks. >> Thank you, >> Mr. Mayor. Do we do we know is is the company doing it or are they subcontracting? There's all this >> because I noticed the trucks are all over the place. Utility boxes are open. I mean, it is really just sloppy all over. >> It's a nightmare. Do you want to say something about it? >> It's It's all subcontractors. And then in the case of uh some providers, it's subcontractor of a subcontractor. And um I I guess I don't want to go into the public record and talk about how businesses are which ones are operating in certain ways, but we've had a certain amount of luck working with uh the superintendent of the um subcontractors and we're um I I I mean I think some areas of the city are just different. Um, we would certainly prefer if everybody was as careful as uh as they we think they should be. Um, but we're getting a little bit more um ahead of it. I I would say I know last week was kind of rough, but uh trying to basically get them to get to us first and let public works basically not hold their hands but not allow what's happened, especially recently. I know due to some of the uh issues last week, Ryan basically stopped permits from being issued until ones have been finished or at least until the work is satisfactory. So, we're working with the subs to just sounds like holding hands, but we're >> and there's no recourse with the main contractor. >> Well, they have to everything has to be put back together. The public works director has to sign off on it. So, I mean there are Scott, maybe you can talk a little bit more about the the financial ramifications if they don't clean things up, but I mean there are per the uh franchise agreements, there are ways to make it hurt. But it's easier for everybody if they just clean it up >> because up by the shopping center on 15, there's holes and wood planks over and some kid, I'm sure Curiosity will get in there and get trapped. It's pretty dangerous looking. It's between the driveway and the corner of 110 on the north side of the street. >> Okay. I And I would just enter into the record though for any anybody's listening at home to let us know, call city hall or email um me or Ryan, the public works director or whoever you know here because it does make a difference. I mean, we're not shy about passing these on and making the contractors be held accountable. It's a reflection on us if things don't get done. So, it we do take it seriously. >> One thing that I never said before, but they cut my internet line. >> So, I have a different company. >> Mhm. >> And the new company comes in and cuts my line on accident. It was an accident. >> I'm like, "Okay." And then they're like, "Well, the they'll fight it out." You know, their attorneys will fight with their attorney. >> We just put ours in really quick. Yeah. And then they're like, "We'll just call your company and try to get a refund." And then I kind of forgot to do it. And you know, I mean, I think I was out for two weeks. >> Um >> I have wireless. >> It was a nightmare. >> I'm in a corner lot >> and I still have weeds in my front yard. So >> yeah, you're on a Yeah. Have you done yours yet? Have you done yours? >> Nothing's going on yet. >> Oh, they will. >> Take a drive down Hollstead. >> All right. Anyway, >> I love my new fire. >> Well, that's the positive part. Yeah. at half the cost of the account. Okay. Uh, thank you. So, I wrote some things down on my phone here. Uh, my name is Nolan Sincler. I'm at 2601 Graer Lane. Uh, so forgive me for looking at my phone here. So, uh, I'm here to talk about kindergarteners. School starts next week over at Shirley Hills. And I'm not sure if you heard the big news, but they had to add an additional kindergarten class this year because of really high enrollment. It's pretty exciting. It's a big deal for our community. Young families are moving to mound. I'm one of those families. I have a kindergarter starting in Miss Allen's class next week. Back to school night is running. Okay. So, uh, what is bringing these young families to our community? It's quality schools to be sure, but also public parks, playgrounds, and access to the lake, which often times comes through these small parks and public spaces. So, I read a very uh timely article a few days ago in the Star Trebune that the city is looking for financial solutions to the water treatment problem uh and that potentially rate hikes is on the table, sale of public land is on the table. A lot of chatter about it. Um so, first let's talk about rate increases. Um it's not necessarily the most equitable equitable solution um for our community because generally homes and mounds use water at about the same rate. to know you boiling noodles, you water your garden, you take your showers, stuff like that. Um, so it puts an unfair burden on lower income households. Um, and also, you know, water service doesn't make up as big of a portion of uh the city revenue as other parts do. Okay. And now let's talk about the sale of the impact of the sale of public land. So, I would assume that we're looking at those small lots, just lakefront properties and things like that. Um, but the loss of lake access to those homes in those communities has value impact on those homes. It's taxable value that brings, you know, it's part of how cities make money. Um, and not only the the taxable value, but also the just the well-being of of neighbors that live in that community, having access to the lake is is I think an an important value to this community. But the good good news is there is already a more equitable way that cities can fund projects like water treatment plant bonds and the tax levy. Um so let's say hypothetically that we want to sell one of these parks lakefront lake access. You can maybe maybe get a million dollars for a lot on the lake minus whatever legal fees we're paying to figure out if this is even uh capable capability of the town. So I actually went I've got visual aids here too by the way. I pulled the numbers um from the hip county website. So this is this is just I pulled it right off of there. This is the resulting tax rate from the certified levy. So let's say for example it was a bond to help pay for water treatment plant and we needed to sell the park to make a million dollars to help pay for the bond. So what would it take to put another million dollars on the tax levy which the city council sets? I did the math. So the uh 2025 number is 8.2 million. If you want to add one, it's it's pretty simple math. 9.2 2. Let's say the total tax capacity doesn't change. 22 million total desk capacity 40.51%. That's a modest 6% increase. And look, that's even what it was just a few short years ago. Uh because the value of our community has grown because families are coming in because the city is providing great services and a great lifestyle to these young families that want to be here, mine included. All right, I skipped over a bunch of things, so I'll just wrap it up here. um people in the city aren't moving out because of the tax bill. In fact, the members of this community even voted a couple years ago to help uh pay for improvements to our school. So, the city wants to help solve this problem uh but in a way that's fair and equitable. So, that's all I've got. Thank you for your time and uh and yay for new kindergarten class of Shirley Hills. Thank you. >> Thank you. Appreciate it. >> Anybody else? All right. Number six, we got police uh ornal police department update. Come up. >> Welcome. >> Hi, >> city council. Uh I don't have a whole lot um reviewing stuff from the past uh two, three weeks. I've been out. Um it looks like uh no real um anything upward trending on the streets or anything. Uh just one thing I noted was kind of shocked by is the last week we've had um at least four in the week that I came back um beastings was where epi pen had to be um used. So I don't know what's going on there but I think they're just getting mad. It's getting colder. So people have to be careful. >> I just got stung in my front yard. >> Yeah. And I do have two epipens that are expired >> and I was told if they sting me away from my heart I'm good. But if they get me here then I got to >> Yep. Yeah. We had >> I've never done it before. >> One poor young lady that got it. I don't know exact I think that was was a wasp and her everything swellled and it was right up on the face area. So >> uh just be careful. Um >> we the ornal police department we do carry EpiPen. Um we are all trained on EpiPen. So, um, all of us have deployed it before. Uh, the only problem is is it runs out and we have it's expensive to get and it's hard to get cuz we have to get prescriptions and we have to get them in stock. So, um, just uh the fire department's helping us out. So, we we deal with that and they they usually show up, but we're usually faster and if we don't have an EpiPen, you know, we have to do as much as we can to keep comfortable until we can get that EpiPen there. So that's the only thing I really noticed. It was it's strange. I know this time of year we do get some but not in this. I mean there was just four alone here I believe in mound and then the rest of our area coverage had some go on too. So just be aware of that. Uh other than that uh we have our our new FTR new um officer is now moving into phase two. So, he's doing really well. Um, on track and, uh, doing everything he should be doing. Um, tomorrow, OPD is going to be conducting 10 interviews for our new cadet program, which is really good. We had 15 apply and 10, uh, are moving on into the interview process tomorrow. So, we'll be interviewing all of them. Uh, the SRO, uh, Officer Schultz just let me know everything's going good. uh our lady of the lake started Monday and then the rest she will be kicking off next to on Tuesday after Labor Day. So just want to let you know everything's on track. Everything's looking good. So >> uh then also uh coming up is our lady of the lake uh incredible festival. >> They have requested two officers. So we'll have extra officers on uh on that event Friday and Saturday night working those events and helping out. So, and then just some things we've been doing, the ORL police department, we hosted the DNR firearm safety class. Had a great turnout for it. Um, so we worked we work with DNR on that and we have four officers that are certified uh safety officers for DNR. So, we did that. It was a great success. Um, and then also August 2nd, uh, me and my group, our firearms group instructors, we all participated with and helped out the Lake Mitonka Sportsman's Club that we participated in their youth in the outdoor days. We brought our big M wrap out and some of our toys just so everyone get a look at it and our new dog, our new K9 came out. So, we just kind of interacted with the youth and um, shown them some of our equipment. And this is our second year doing with them. So, we're working on building a good relationship with our gun club out here. Good. Nice. >> That's all you got? >> Any questions for anything? >> No. >> A lot of applicants is good. >> Say again. >> 10 interviews is good. >> Yeah. It's the most I've heard for a while. >> Problem you want. >> Yep. These are all potential. So, these are the guys that will go under contract with us in schooling and then hopefully come back and work for us. So, >> great. >> Thanks. Appreciate it. >> Thank you. >> All right. Number seven, we got uh banners discussion. >> Um Let's see. You may or you want to >> Well, I kind of wanted to use this opportunity, >> mayor. You know, we've talked about a lot of projects. >> So, I thought this might be a good time to jump in and talk a little bit about our future goals. >> Yeah. >> So, I just kind of put together our first thing is welcome signing to the city. >> Yep. and um >> yeah, >> I can >> um you know and to talk a little bit about possibly incorporating a tagline which I brought up before for certain possibilities and opportunities. So I kind of broke this down into a tagline and I threw all my taglines in here. Remember, taglines are kind of hysterical when you start brainstorming, but I thought everybody could kind of get to work. And then I put down um several design directions we could maybe go with the signing. Um currently on the trail, our sign is 12 in x 12 in. You can't even see it. Um I'm not going to name what cities, but some have 36 by 36. I'll name them. >> So, I I designed all these to be 36 by 36. In some cases, they're 28 by 36, but most of them are square for 36x 36. And I kind of think maybe we could just kind of get them up there on two rebars and ask for forgiveness later. >> Okay. So, you're talking about these signs are for the trail or these >> just welcome to mount signs. Also, they can be on our streets. You know, we have some pretty >> uninspired signs coming. are black. So, I think this is a great opportunity to start >> looking at a broader goal that maybe we can >> kind of amp up our image a little bit. >> You're talking about like the black and white ones that are just like little front. >> Yes. Yeah, those are 20. Those are Oh, I forgot my notes. The park signs, which is also another discussion. I'd love to see a complete park sign redo, but our signs I think they're 20. Jesse, you might know this off the cap top of your head. I think there's 22 by 24 and then the park signs are 24 by 24 or measly a little trail sign and and every place you guys are all on the trail a lot so you all know what everybody else's looks like and then you get to mount it's like wisely. >> So I'd like to fold things up for us. I also put some pictures of the trail with just a couple of different designs. And then moving into the banners, um I really wasn't sure what the assignment was because last time I talked to mayor, >> we weren't going to incorporate >> businesses in which case I don't know what we're doing. What are we promoting? >> It's a lot of money to just promote mound and say hello, have a nice day. So, I think we should just broadly talk about that. >> Yeah. >> Um, when I saw the quote and the possibility of keeping those banners up for 10 years, I went gulp. I get bored with them after six months. So, >> yeah, >> if we're thinking we want anything to be relevant up for 10 years. That's kind of laughable. Um, so anyway, I thought this would just be a fun opportunity to kind of discuss a little bit where do we want to go forward with budgeting and trying to get our image amped up a little bit. We all know that we have a poor image. >> Do we have um I saw the budget in the packet of like the amount for the banners. Is there any like budget for I mean I know it's like like you said it's preliminary just looking at it for like how much this would cost? Oh, I have no idea. But I'd rather put money into this than banners if we're not promoting businesses. >> So, I I'm open to businesses for sure. >> Well, but the challenge I mean, I I like the idea of promoting businesses, but you have to be really careful. Do do you do all businesses and what if you miss a business? And what if you know, I mean, >> so there's a lot of different people to deal with. >> Spring Park does it as well. Um >> I mean, >> so does Zetta. >> Yeah. Yeah, actually. So, I was actually talking to Jesse this morning and I said I was like, you know, YZ. I was like, >> Chamber does theirs. Yeah. That that >> and we could probably get Scott to he did the illustration for theirs. I'm sure he would do it for us. >> I think we would probably have to have both. Like, we don't have, >> you know, we have a lot of signs and banners and then maybe not enough businesses. So, we might want to have one that's just like the city and then have another template that's like if a business wants to sponsor. I just want us to be careful that we're conscious of the fact that will will the residents receive this well or will they see it as frivolous if we aren't including businesses? >> Well, it's kind of like we're selling off land and we're buying banners. You know, where's our money priorities? I mean, it's they're different scales, but it's still money spending. I mean I think >> right >> having a conversation with adding mound businesses again spring I don't like how Spring Park does they have mound businesses in Spring Park. >> Yeah >> and other places too. >> Did they donate towards the science or how did they >> I mean we can we can look into it and talk to Mayor Chase but >> I thought you did have it >> Spring Parks is is through Minutemen and that's basically what it is. It's a subsidized program that this the businesses that businesses can buy banners basically for Spring Park, but how they decided to go outside of city limits is that's I'd never heard because see they're up so high. I kept looking for wasn't looking high enough. I don't intend to like if we're this is maybe heard as like chasing nickels or wasting time on this but like the um could we build if there's a a smaller cost for trail signage and then is the cost of those banners already in our CIP? Do we know that? >> So that's kind of >> it's already built in. We're not really adding anything. I don't want to >> partly >> accidentally add something. >> But worst case we can kind of get an idea of what we're going to do this year. We're doing the budget here in the next couple weeks and we can add this for next year. This isn't this isn't on our priority list for this year, right? >> But to add it in, >> maybe >> we I would I think we should add it in for next year. >> Well, you know, >> but also >> the trail has 400,000 trips on it. >> So, there are 400,000 trips a year on the trail. So, I think that that's a good locality. The signs would be very visible. People would see them. And it does give an entry. I think we we must have the longest um mileage or whatever of any city that the trail goes through. We might well beach and all that stuff is pretty short. >> Yeah. Everyone else is pretty short. We've got a really long line. So I think >> that that would be a priority I would say. >> It would be a great way to promote mound and just that we're >> visually stay relevant. the park. Will they agree to letting us put up >> here? Here here's the problem with rivers. >> We don't know >> is that they they did or didn't approve the other ones that are >> beautiful signs. When you go into Minnetonka Beach, it's a beautiful sign. When you go to Spring Park, it's not beautiful, but it's big. >> Yeah. >> Well, I can picture that. >> I'm sorry, but I'm going to start a fight cuz if our little stamp thing that that we get to if we can't put one, then they need to take theirs down. >> It's not even >> Sorry. color. It's like dark navy blue. It's I don't know where they came from. >> They didn't you know I know in the parks public works had a machine and they made the little signs for the parks. >> That could be worse. Ryan kind of it was a cost savings. It was like we want to have a sign that says our park but we don't want to spend a lot of money and the staff could make them and so that's why >> well budgeting for a new press for them would be really ideal because there is this on its last leg. I mean, the banners would be really cool. They're going to have Lost Lake Commons, and I mean, the streets are all redone. I mean, I don't think it would be seen as frivolous. I mean, it's just kind of adding to helping everything look better, >> like more put together. >> Do we need to be consistent, though? I mean, I hate to say, you know, we spent $80,000 on the sign coming in across the seat bridge, >> which was, you know, >> it was it was $80,000. >> Now, remember who was on council? Well, >> who voted for it? Lord expensive bricks. >> Um, no. Well, what happened? All of us are new. >> Yeah. I mean, you know, it was the landscaping. They put the wrong trees in. >> There was something with the mortar. Um, you know, we had two council people who worked with the contractor on it. But, >> you know, so I just want to caution that we really keep the budget tight >> if it if it's Yeah. It's not like >> And do we need to be worried about how that sign looks in conjunction with future signs? you know where consistency in design models >> we want to create a variant >> which is part of this tagline issue as well. >> Yeah. >> I think this isn't something that I I just wanted to throw some visuals your way and >> you know we've never talked about directionwise where anybody wants to go. Um uh maybe when you're home tonight counting sheep, you can start imagining taglines and come up with some interesting ones. Um I'm still hoping that we can take it the Tonka Toy route because that is our a beautiful legacy that we've had. But we do have three beautiful lakes and I used that thought a lot. >> That was a nice piece. The three lakes >> on um 2269. That's the page I was looking for. Like even if the banners don't have businesses like I kind of like the less is more stuff like with our logo if it was I think you said navy blue or this one like those would look awesome in town. >> Well, see I don't think those navy blue ones even show up, >> you know. I tried to show you on here. Usually more color shows up >> and we're literally competing against, if you look at all of our poll signs, >> most of them are chalk full of >> road signs. And so we have a lot we're competing against for to get people's attention. >> Um, so if we're going to spend the money, let's make them stand out. >> So would there be all of these different like they would change from poll to poll or we don't know? >> I don't know. I've never done them where you just have one on 180 coals. >> You know, I worked for a company once. It was sort of extravagant, but we had business cards that changed with the season, >> right? >> And so, you know, so in the winter you had snow filled trees. In the spring, you had buddings. Yeah. I mean, it it is kind of a a nice sort of signaling of change and people notice them and become, you know, it's like people would say, I want your spring card, you know, one wish card. And I think that could be the same for signs. >> Well, I kind of ran with that because I once I erased the city side of things, I I'm like I had no directions. I'm like this designing for dollars, you know, it's like, well, maybe this at Seasons Mound, you know, it doesn't matter. I I just want to get this on here because the banner discussion was going to be happening tonight. So, um I I think that we should think very carefully about how we want those to look. And I definitely don't want black banners with a big white logo on them. >> And a sunset. >> That's not creative. >> I love this. >> Yeah. >> And that. >> Yeah. >> And you put a sponsorship on the bottom. >> Yeah. Correct. >> Of these. >> Yeah. They stand out. >> Beautiful. As long as it has our logo and it looks like mound, you know, like I think those look good. >> But again, >> just rough direct. You could go any direction in the universe. >> But the banners if we say, "Hey, you know, part of part of our thing is we want to promote local businesses, right? Maybe we in every newsletter we always put support local." >> Indeed. >> We want to support mound businesses, right? >> Well, why don't we have you talk to the businesses though? I think that that's the thing. Get them involved in it. I yeah that would be the next step is there appetite for >> you know what does what does one of these things cost you know 100 bucks >> what is what is one of these >> 80 bucks or 60 bucks or something >> well I don't first of all I wouldn't use that substrate that >> but just hypothetically if it's a 100 >> I mean >> bucks should we just say >> 100 to 140 bucks depending on how >> yeah so nice >> I don't know who you know go to ser restaurant do you want to you want to buy a banner for two you know how much money they give to the everything else, >> right? >> I think this would be a no-brainer for businesses. Now, someone is going to have to go, right? And then we're going to have to advertise in our our newsletter. We're going to have to put on Facebook, put on our website. So, we are fair. So, when someone says, "Well, I don't know about this." Well, no, we put it everywhere, right? Um if we just go cherry pick who's going to be on these signs, that's not fair, right? >> But no, I mean, if you want to buy a sign, here's a cost and then >> the city is not paying for it either. Okay, that's what I want to ask you. That's why I thought you nixed it. So, >> no, I I love I I think the the advertising thing for this part for the banners right by the beautiful American flags that we have >> I I would love it. >> Yeah. I think and then again that gets us off the hook for like we're not we're not even paying for that. This this is indirect payment from the amount of businesses that want to support. >> 100% agree. I wasn't quite sure why you said we're not going to do businesses. Well, I don't know what I >> I don't but but it took me in a direction where I'm like I didn't know what I was doing. So, no, I I love this with the sponsorship on the bottom >> because if the banners are paid for by the businesses, >> that's their way of advertising and it takes it off of our budget of trying to do wayfinding to businesses. >> Well, I love that. >> Yeah. >> If we're going to put it on, that's what I thought initially was going to be the case, >> but you know, the WCC could help us a little bit with that, too. And we haven't had a meeting all summer, but I'm sure our next meeting we can take it to them. >> I think we need to talk to WCC about explore Minnesota. And I had preliminary conversations. They have a new director, but we can get on their web page and start promoting and the banners might be a way to launch our presence on that. Um, but we need to get the local businesses also because the way it works is they'll send out surveys to your businesses to see how they're doing and if the businesses are aware that people are seeing them through explore Minnesota. So, it's kind of like free advertising. >> Yeah, >> it is free to >> be. That's another option is we could run a list of all the businesses in mount and shoot a letter to each of them. I mean, that way we said, you know, we gave everybody a shot. And the other thing too is >> let's just say they miss this round but you know a year from now >> you know some get torn or you know we need to update them. >> I think we need to be really careful about where we're placing them. >> Yes. >> I think every other would be nice like flag sign flag pole sign. >> It's a lot to compete with each other. Flags up and down everywhere sign. So >> you know when I saw he was ordering 180 flags. Have you ha have you discussed where these banners are going to go? >> Well, they're on the knobs, right? >> Well, >> well, I know, but we have them on every pole. I think we need to be selective in >> where that's going to start and end. >> I might be wrong, but when I go through Swing Park every day, >> pretty sure it is every pole. >> They have 16, but they have only 16. >> Yeah, that's true. >> And then their polls are far apart and most her polls have no >> so >> signage on them. We could do advertise every other and then do >> we have so many >> pound so many polls and we've got like two miles >> there over the other. >> Okay. Well, that makes yeah we lose the messaging alto together. >> I mean >> they are nice though park and going through >> they're they're nice and you know but then you go through Long Lake and those things look so old and beat up and stunning. They look nice when there's not 500 of them. >> Yeah, >> like you're saying. >> Exactly. And Long Lake, remember, that's just a little stretch. And then they have two going to the to Fletchers with the mist on them. >> And I think those are really nice, but they really don't stand out, you know, if you're not looking for them. You can see the businesses, which is great because they're, you know, white is the most recognizable. And so those stand out really nice because they're reversed out in white. >> So that's a good thing for the businesses. But I think we should make the businesses as big and graphic as we can if they're going to pay for these. >> I mean, I'm not saying out of >> tactful. >> Yeah, of course. But but again, if they're going to pay for them, we should give them the exposure that we're promising them. >> So when when when do you think you want to launch this? I mean, that's the other thing is >> you want to have a launch date where >> the banners go up and >> we could call this a priority and sneaking into other things that we have made a priority. In other words, reaching out support local. We could do that if we want. I'm thinking more next year. >> I'm thinking let's look at the budget, you know, him and I and >> so do you want to do like spring Mayday or something, you know? >> Well, I want to know more about >> the LLC. It'd be cool. >> What would this cost for the city purposes, but then also like do the fundraising part? Maybe we say, well, part of it is you're paying for your own, part of it is you're paying half of a city one or the full, you know, you're you're buying two. You're going to buy a city and you're so then it's technically there's no cost. You know, if we're doing city sponsor, city sponsor, >> you know, for 200 bucks, you can you can be SP, you know, I I I don't know how >> I can't believe cities wouldn't be really thrilled about it. >> Yeah. And I'm thrilled now that you've brought the cities back onto the plate because I'm like a clown's paying for these >> the businesses back in. >> If we weren't going to >> if we weren't going to expose and promote businesses, I saw no reason that >> m taxpayer would be promoting themselves on our banners. >> But that's the banner. >> The signs as you come into town, I still think we need to promote ourselves on a positive. >> I do too. >> Yeah. And that's gonna we're gonna have to pay for that. >> Yeah. >> We're not going to advertise on that. But >> well, I'd recommend starting with the trail that those would be the first ones. >> Well, if we get them, >> you know, quantity discount. >> So, I meant to call Ryan today, but I was kind of under the gun today. But you to find out how many actual, you know, city limits welcome signs are there. Uh the trail. Mayor, you've been up and down the trail all the way down. I've counted three. >> Do you know how many mound has on the trail? >> Yeah, probably threeish. >> I mean, it's both, you know. >> Well, well, it is only as you enter Mount. So, it's only one way unless you do you could print the back saying bye. Have a nice day. See you again soon, >> you know, cuz then you could do it front and back, >> I look at them every time and I don't know if I count them, but >> I I do count them. >> Yeah. >> Jesse, do you know if there was any budgeting done or proposed for Ryan's printer machine thing because I knew it was a computer problem. It's not connecting with the equipment or >> I think that it's actually due to be replaced this fall yet. That was um something we talked about last year because I if you got the tour and you saw that thing, I'm shocked it was still working. >> Pretty rickety. I can't believe the system even operates anymore because that's got to be an archaic operating system on that thing. And you know, yeah, >> I don't know exactly what they >> are getting, but it's nothing that's going to be printing banners and stuff because we still need to be able to just print street signs on the fly, but it will be better. Um, and maybe a little more versatile for some of these park signs, but >> yeah, it's definitely budgeted. I I actually think it's this fall. I think it's going to be here. So, >> great. Well, what I'd like everybody to do truly is just kind of start thinking about taglines, think about visually what direction because I I'd love an assignment that you actually go, you know, here's kind of what I'd like. Um, so I can come back with some actual things that you you've requested. >> Yeah. I mean, >> I think too if everybody can kind of look as they drive through town. I mean, I will take responsibility because I asked for flags to go all directions and I didn't know until I drove down towards three print three points. The poles are a lot closer together than they are coming down to Surfside. >> So, we do need to think about placement to your point. Um, we probably don't need 180 um because it will become distracting and overload because we also Spring Park doesn't have as many businesses and signage and everything downtown as we do. >> You know, like True Values signs, RPG signs, and street signs and, you know, it gets a little busy. >> We're really competing for space. And and again, they only have 16. I might have missed two. I kept counting. Maybe 18. So again, their their message is not diluted because it's very >> charming just seeing a few banners up there. If you come through mountain and see 182, it's going to be like >> then you see none. >> Oh my god. >> Then you see none. >> You see none. Exactly. It's funny that you mentioned 110. Like it looks good. They're new. They all look good. They're bright. But I was just like yesterday >> the poles must be more dense in that part. And I was like good, but I'm like it's a lot. >> It's almost comical, you know? It's like it's my fault. like it's not as far as but it looks >> I just asked Ryan to put them all directions and I didn't realize you could do every other I sort of thought you should have two on each pole every other >> so is our like end >> on a poll >> goal at a at a budget Oh sorry >> sorry go ahead >> oh is our end goal at like for our budget discussion to not forget to make sure we're setting something aside and then >> yes >> okay >> I think we we'd need to at least do a placeholder but we also got to think of, you know, what's that number, right? >> I'll get I can get numbers for you. >> Okay. And then assuming we would get people to, you know, advertise. So, take that out, >> you know. >> Well, >> roughly, what are we talking, you know? >> I mean, I I've worked with several vendors over the years. Again, we do pretty high-end. I'm not going to go that route, but I wouldn't do the substrate that Ryan was getting bids on, >> right? And I also wouldn't even dream of wanting to look at them even two years from now, >> much less 10 years. >> Yeah. >> You know, those are the kind of things that you you visually like to change over to keep people inspired and excited about what's new and what's happening. >> You know, oftentimes they're used, >> you know, to promote events and things >> seasonal. And it would be cool if we could do Christmas, you know, give Ryan a huge plate of issues like, "Okay, now go take them all down and 25 degree below weather and put up our spring signs." >> It might be a little windy. >> Yeah. >> But but again, I think, >> you know, we need to think that way a little bit because um it is an expense. If if the businesses want them, it's very exciting. >> Yeah. Yeah. And then we need to think about how many are there, how many potential businesses might there be that would be interested. That's another thing. >> Yeah. Because if we get the list and it's 30 versus >> Yeah. Exactly. >> 50. >> Yeah. Or exactly 10. >> So, we need to be proactive with this and really think about this. You know, we throw these ideas out and we don't really have a master plan on a lot of things. So budget-wise, we really need to start thinking about amping up Mound's presence visually in the community. It's really important. We all know what our moniker stands for. And please, can we can we try to change that? I I It's like a >> It's like a knife through my heart every time I listen watch the complaint club, all the stuff that the parks commission put through with that misinformation. It's it's it's truly a stab in my heart. >> I only laugh at I used to kind of laugh, >> but now I can't laugh. I'm just like it's just sad. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Um, so can you just give us rough estimates of like what at least maybe just send it to me or Jesse and then >> for >> for for cost of this so we can kind of start planning on >> can I get some cost for potential >> just for the >> signage too? >> Yeah, bandage and signer. Yeah, just a rough estimate and then I think maybe we we probably got to bring it back to either workshop or here, right? And we got to talk chat a little bit more about, you know, where exactly we want to go. And I guess, and like you said, in the meantime, we should brainstorm in our own heads so then we can come back and then over winter, I mean, we can kind of get these done and throw them up in the spring, >> get some cool designs that everybody's excited about. The other thing, too, is when businesses um sign on to this, they they want to see the design. So, we have to have a design ready, >> right, >> to go that's everybody's approved, >> right, >> so we can run with it because that'll be our presentation to the >> company. Have you already looked into how Spring Park worked with them to do it or >> Yeah, I I did um a while ago just um more so out of curiosity and I actually think so they used Minute Man right by city hall and I I think that the business actually did the soliciting. >> Um they did it like almost on behalf of the the city. >> Okay. >> Oh, really? Minute Man did? Yeah, that was my that's my understanding of or my recollection of that conversation and we talked a little bit and then um it kind of went away but council priority or something to that effect could certainly change that and I I it's up to the council how we do it but I I believe that there was some help on the business side of that which also you know defayed some costs for the city >> and it probably helped Minute Man too get their word out to get their business clients. >> Yeah, they're they're out by sign. They're on one of them. >> That's great. >> All right. So, should we put another like a timeline on this like two weeks or a month out? >> I mean, do you guys can you come back and give more direction on what what we like? Should we put this on an agenda item for two weeks from now? >> Sure. >> And and if you have something you want me to work on visually to show you, >> just let me know. I think like I mean this is me or maybe all of us but like I won't know what I want to see or not see until you like >> but but you know you know I could design for 150 days and have fun in every single one but it would be nice to get some feedback you know I'm just sort of shooting from the hip here because I I have no idea what is in everybody's heads. I can imag I know from working on lots of these in previous years, you know, most people want something pretty graphic. Less is more something that you're not fighting for attention as you're pulling around the corner trying not to hit a kid on a bike, you know, >> I mean, we are competing with a lot of things. You will start noticing that as you look at our polls, >> right? >> And these taglines will kind of stimulate your thoughts and you know, you may even come up with something better. You know, if you'll just take it like it's a brainstorming session. >> I don't want to say boring, but like welcome. I mean, I liked that one. You know, like if we're going to do some Tonka toy stuff elsewhere in the city, I don't know if I'd like it all over all the signs, too, if it's like a lot, but like the welcome to mound. >> I I think that needs to be used very judiciously and not have that very >> very used very often. >> Me, too. >> On the trail. Not on the banners. >> Yeah. Okay. >> No, no, not with our logo. just for events, you know, it'd be fun for promoting an event once in a while, >> but no, even back two months ago when I initially presented that, I'm like, it has to be used judiciously. >> Had they given approval? >> I I just saw an email. I haven't I was so swamped for the last two weeks. I haven't even looked at it. >> Yeah. >> Which is unlike me because I can't wait to get back to him. But starting Thursday, my uh schedule clears up a little bit. >> We We've got a form to fill out. I'll take a look at it. >> I'll look at it, too. >> Do you want to bring this back in two weeks then or a month? >> Either one. I mean, I don't think we're It doesn't matter. >> I think it is for you guys doing the budget, mayor and council member. Um, Kasalano, I think it is kind of important that we that we do try to have a little bit higher >> um interest with this so we can phase these things into our budget rather than just coming up with an idea and going well we can borrow from Peter pay to Paul here. We should be looking at this long term. Yeah, >> we should be looking at it as gee um could we work in our budgets maybe a seasonal switch over >> if we just had a dollar amount of like how much you know like the cost would be even in two weeks like even just an email that would help it'd be way before the next budget workshop but seeing a bunch of examples a month I mean >> doesn't need to all happen at once you know >> so yeah give Jesse the rough estimates on what we You think it would be cost? >> Well, and we also got costs from Ryan, too. So, we can compare those to Ryan's costs, too. >> But if we're saying with advertising, >> then we would kind of back some of that out. >> Well, Minute Man does a great job and if they have a good substrate, we could certainly and their mound, I would certainly talk to them. >> Yeah. >> Um they they do a really nice job. They did all of our um sign that sign over by our welcome to mountain sign. You know that what are they called? >> The lions. Those >> Oh, yes. Yes. They printed all those too. And those are all metal, >> right? >> They could probably print these for us, too. >> So, I >> Yeah, they did a really nice job. >> Yeah, they did. >> Cool. >> All right. Uh two weeks, put that on the agenda item. >> Mhm. And then we'll >> Is it going to be a workshop or just more discussion? >> I I'd say just to bring it back here. Okay. >> Yeah, we'll put it towards the end case. >> Yeah, >> we have other things to do. >> All right. Well, thanks for that. >> Uh number eight, we got council uh member reports. Council member Pew. >> Um can't think much of anything. Oh, um I did after um the presentation and the workshop, I did go through some old notes I had about defining parks and came up with descriptions. And so what I said to the mayor is I share that with Jesse and he could send it out because we can't do all this mailing amongst ourselves. So Jesse could send it out and everyone can look at it and add to it and and whenever we have a workshop again, we can finalize it maybe and then identify and share it. I would hope parks would also look at it and give some input. >> Okay. >> In it. >> Anything else? >> No, I'm probably I may be out in October. I'm possibly going to have some surgery. Well, for two weeks, half of the month, probably. >> Okay. Remember, we meet Tuesday as an Ace. Just schedule your surgery around it. >> Yeah. You know, it's interesting. Have surgery everything's one day, right? You go in, it's like a doctor's visit, but it's surgery. >> Yeah. >> It's amazing. >> Uh, okay. Council member Mcy, >> nothing. >> Council, >> um, just two things. Um, one's more timely now, but um, I received a couple questions just with all the park stuff and so it's good I think that um, council member Pew you were saying like the technical definitions of what the different kinds are. >> And I don't know what if we even have anything scheduled. I'm not really I guess all that caught up on that, but just to make sure that we with parks like have a unified kind of >> front of communication or overcommunicate. Well, that certainly wasn't shown two weeks ago. And if you recall in our joint meeting, we did say we wanted to have two or three meetings together so we can discuss how we can best work together. They've never had any council group with them. So, I definitely want to have another one or two uh >> parks work. They've been waiting for us to schedule a meeting. I think the most important >> you said we would be doing that one one more at some point but >> I guess my point was to be >> that I wanted to get out the the fact that we're really the people were confused. I just two people that called me and they said I think they >> they said they called me because I was the first one on the alphabetical order but I'm not I'm at the bottom but >> what were they confused about? >> One person thought that Carlson Park >> Oh yeah >> that's that's what misinformation does. Y. >> So, I just wanted to make sure that we over >> ridiculous was on fire. >> It was on fire >> and say that just I think it's seven, >> you know, seven. >> And so, I you know, I talked to a couple people. I'm just saying it so if anyone's listening, but that some of them that are called parks by name, but are like just a like a corner lot or a sliver of something. It's not actually like a I mean, it is a park, but it's not. So, I don't know. I guess in any city that's just going to be something that people pay the most attention to. So, I just want to make sure we don't, you know, only notice as much as we have to or only communicate as much as we need to. I don't think that we're going to do that. You know, to piggyback on that, >> mayor or uh council member, >> uh I I probably fielded maybe a hundred maybe 120 calls and almost every call that I was finished with appreciated the fact that we as were doing our job to actually look because we have never looked in deep dive into the parks and it is our job to to look at that within our budgets. And I will say to Mr. Piper, the fact that neither of you even bothered to pick up the phone and call any of us to just simply verify, hey, what is going to be on the agenda? That that was so irresponsible. We could have eliminated so many issues and all these phone calls had you just called and said, hey, I see you're going to sell parks. No, we're in a we're in a brainstorming session to see if any of these might be a possibility or where we can go from here. It got so blown out of proportion. And thank God uh Jesse, you know, everybody was busy the day whoever called I was five out here. I'm on 12 trying to race home and meet him at Culver's and he's finally like, "Well, I got to go." And I go, "Well, if you want, I can give you a statement right now." I literally was sitting on 384 writing my statement. I mean, ridiculous. [Music] >> Well, I am because Tyler, what what the fallout that that created was was insanity and I I >> it took all it took all the it took all the restraint I had to not respond to all of this. >> Why don't you come up and >> if you want to say something, >> give us your name and address. Tyler Piper 5504 Church Road. Um, totally understand your frustration and I can assume getting a lot of calls was probably an issue. The only things I have done myself, I'm not speaking on part of the commission, but was before the meeting called Jesse multiple times asking for any information on the public meeting. After that, and I've made a huge effort of this, anything I posted online on Facebook has been an unbiased report to the best of my ability. That was a great report >> and and that's I had no involvement in the channel 5. I had no involvement in anything else. So what I will say is that on a positive note, we want to work with you guys too. We this is not a we don't have time for the battles and the the drama and I think we're all on the same page. We love Mound and I just I don't want to feel singled out because a I'm on the same team you all are and b >> it didn't feel like it last night. >> It didn't at all. You put post online that that was so uncalled for. You're you're a recommend you're a recommendation body of the council. >> Correct. >> And for you to just go out there and and cause a stir. I've never seen 40 people come to a workshop before. Usually we have a work workshop in our back room there. >> Mhm. And for me that's democracy in action. >> That's great. Everybody is is invited to come out. But for you to just cause a stir just to just to do that. I did not. >> The night of the lid is we've all the assump the assumption is that I did that because my goal was to bring chaos to this body. My goal do anything to silence the misinformation at all in any way. >> That's not my job. My job is to serve as a commissioner at the councelor's leisure and I'm doing my best to protect the parks and bring my opinions as a citizen. So the stuff that happened with the fallout, I don't control someone calling channel 5. People thought we were selling every park and burning burning them to the ground. >> I had to go to the recording to find the eight parks so I could clarify on mine what were the ones that were even being looked at. So I'm doing efforts for you guys on your behalf. >> You're not though cuz it's embarrassing when you when you put it online as opposed >> it's like you're working against us and we want to work with you. We did >> we we did our first workshop as a joint body I I think that I've ever been part of. Have you ever been part of that? That was a great workshop. The >> council >> had and we said we would be doing another one after we talked a couple more times so we could better understand what we want, how we can embellish our per system and how we can give you some feedback that you can actually have an assignment for lack of a better term because you've been working. >> Let me say this because I'm the leazison and and I would share with the parks commission every time we met. But I said the council does want to have another workshop with you. So they have been waiting for another workshop. >> We said we never said it was going to be soon. >> Well, I I I didn't have a date for it. I And at one time it seemed that I thought we were talking about we talked about a June date and then we said, "No, we're going to push it back." >> So I might have been part of the pro. But I did constantly relate to them that we were all going to meet again >> and talk about the parks >> and they had gone through their you know, inspection of the parks. >> Sherry, I think what's unfortunate is you are the liaison with the parks. The chair of the parks committee decided to go public with something. It sounded like >> an inner family squabble. I mean, it was ridiculous. The information Yeah. The information that she put out on channel 5 was totally misleading and totally out of line. >> Unfortunat I didn't see that. >> Yeah. Well, I go out and you can go to channel 5 and watch it. I mean, luckily, Kathy, I noticed you had a thing on there that you had responded. Um, we were unavailable as a council and that information has fueled all kinds of confusion, including my next door neighbor Nolan who just stood up here and repeated it. >> It's very embarrassing and it's unfortunate for the city because we had no idea like the comment about we had called in developers. Where did that come from? >> And I cannot control that. So, the thing is what I then maybe consider a different way to approach putting your >> what I asked is that people show up to a meeting. I didn't ask to make a cause. I didn't say yes or no. The thing is I worked in commercial commercial real estate for 10 years. I I debated even putting anything out because you I'm being transparent. I'm against it obviously. But my first thought was well this is like an advertisement then if I put it out there. So there's both sides of a coin as in someone who wants property could have been alerted because of that channel 5. So what I'm saying is that I involved the community to the best of my ability within the realms of trying to be unbiased and trying to have community members show up. Do I wish some of your evenings would have been less stressful? Well, of course. And do I care about the city deeply? And do I want to work with you all? Yes. But I'm just a commissioner. I'm just a person trying to help. I'm not in charge of things. Had to take an hour and a half from a resident attacking on a personal level after our parks and open spaces commission meeting on a very personal level. And it ended amicably because we all agree we love Mount. We want to live here. And I I do believe that's part of why I did what I did. And as I've noted before, our city has on its banner, we are a city of parks. I'm on the parks and open spaces commission. I would feel like I was doing a disservice to the oath I took literally to to not speak up the way I did. >> But you did you even know what was on our workshop agenda? >> How could I? I called Jesse multiple times. >> You know, listen, you know directly and I called Sher as well. >> Have been working on that and you could have picked up the phone and called me or messaged me >> and you could have called anyone else as well. >> I didn't I we spent the whole weekend watching it get blown up on social media. I'm sorry. A PR a PR of expectation that was mismanaged is not my fault. What what I did is bring people to a public meeting to the best of my ability. It's put out in the public. I didn't stand up and attack you all. I didn't what I will apologize as a commissioner because it it made me a little upset is I thought Joanna was out of quorum to speak up when she didn't. I was upset she didn't absolutely do it in a public comment and I'm okay saying that. And I think that set a standard that the applause in here kind of echoed it with, you know, opinions. This is supposed to be kind of impersonal. And so I do want you to know on a transparent basis, I was doing my best to involve the community because I was confused about the public meeting. I couldn't post what I thought it'd be about public if you don't verify trust and verify your information. >> But the reason why it was important for me is that the park that I got the grant for and I'm still very thankful for the council for allowing me to move forward was figured it was that >> was being moved off the agenda. And so while I understand it's a public workshop and that kind of thing as well, that wasn't my main point. The main point was >> very intentional. >> Do you understand what the workshop is for the council when we have a workshop? Do you understand how that works? >> 100%. That's why I didn't stand up and talk or make any points or make any comments or clap or do anything like that. Again, I'm just a commissioner and I made a point when I came up here and we discussed I was not bringing I didn't bring anyone. First of all, I didn't. The only person I asked was my wife and she said no. So So that's that's my >> But the reason why people showed up is because you put a vag post on Facebook >> that said >> and rallied everybody up. >> The public meeting said for the future and current use of parks and I have on the recording the mayor, Sherry, and Kevin Costano saying we weren't aware of this exact proposal. Now, I'm not saying you know why though? Because nobody knows what a workshop is going to be like until we sit down at >> we we can't we can't do stuff behind the scenes when I when these two on the end. They called the workshop. >> I understand. >> And they were working on whatever they're working on. They can't talk to me about it. They can say, "Hey, by the way, we want to talk about this," but I don't know all the details of what they're talking about until you all knew when we're on the stage together. So, >> and it was a double double problem that night because we had the, you know, standing room only with the lid and then 25 angry, upset, misinformed parks people. So, I would say it was probably one of our least successful workshops. But you know, I've already talked. I think we need to get something in the code of conduct saying >> there nothing can be put on social media until you actually you because it was you and Joanna reach out to the council and verify your information. We are more than happy. >> I didn't put anything out there that wasn't public knowledge. I didn't ask for people to show up and vote a certain way because it's a public meeting. All I did is says there's a there's a meeting. I took a screenshot of your public notice that you posted. So, I just don't think it's a very good look. I I'm telling you guys, I'm on your team. I want I'm not like, >> oh, trying here to ou you guys. I'm saying I took your public notice and put it on Facebook. And I think the optics of saying that causes concern is a little bit concerning for me because in the end, public input is public input. I've had horrible ideas and when people tell me about it, it's fine. And I've had good ideas, when people tell me about it, it's great. And so again, we I'm not up here to to defend my actions because I feel confident in the way I've acted and upheld myself. Of course, I serve at the leisure of the council. And so I I'm here to work with you. I I don't have really anything else to say. Beyond I apologize on behalf of Joanna and just as a commissioner that for speaking out of t turn like that. I think that was uncalled for. Beyond that, again, I invited the public to a public meeting. I don't think I have anything to apologize for that. And I have not tried to stir the pot. I've not sent people after you guys. I've not called reporters. I've not done anything. >> But you did nothing to quiet it. >> That's not my job. >> But but if you're going to take the approach that you're going to start posting all this stuff and not verify, >> but you're saying all stuff I didn't post any facts, Kathy. All I did was say, "Please show up to this meeting. There's a public meeting that's going on. >> You had an agenda. So don't even kid me that there wasn't an >> personally I'm I'm a resident and anyone who shows up here in this >> No, you had an agenda with Edgewater. >> No, I did not. And that's unfair to put things into my mouth that was approved before I showed up. I had no idea. That's I I was like shaking because I didn't know what to say when I got up here because you had approved that and I had I was moving ahead. I had no idea. I was completely shocked. So I that had nothing to do with me doing the post. It was purely because I have my own personal reasons against the sale of parks and public land. And and again, this is better on a council and parks and open spaces commission workshop and I would love to see that happen. I'm not the parks commissioner or uh chair. I'm not really in a position to to speak on behalf of the entire commissioners. I'm just here to say I did what I did because I wanted the public involved. Whether I feel one way or the other is fine, but I did not do anything that I thought put the reputation of mound at jeopardy. Instead, what I did is try to put it out there so that the public had a chance to see it. I didn't know what was happening at that meeting and none of my post implied what I thought was going to be happening. >> Well, that was the kindling and then all weekend long Joanna, I don't know who was, but they were just throwing flames on the the kindling. >> I saw things about developers too and you know things on Facebook. I I get that. But half the stuff on Facebook, to be honest, if you look at my post, I don't use it very often. So, I'm not a social media guy per se. I get paid to do it during the day and I don't like doing it necessarily at home. But for me, it's it's important. You know how I feel about gardens and I don't want to take up time because these gentlemen have been waiting a long time. But I I just I appreciate you're frustrated. I just do not like the personal pointing out because I feel like I've acted as a citizen of mound and that's it. >> Okay. And I think that's >> Well, agree to disagree, but thank you. >> Thanks, Tyler. >> I want to say something related to parks, but not this. Um, last week I went to to go to um Highland in Park and I had my cane and I got my friend dropped me off on the curb and she drove off to park and I tried to step into the park and trying to balance my cane and there were bricks or something and I went immediately down. Now, public works, one of the public works people was there cleaning the street. He immediately rushed over and got me up. And so, I just want to say thank you to public works for having well-trained staff who pay attention. Uh because in my moment of need, they were there for me. And that that was a good feeling, you know, to know that our staff was helpful, you know, because he could have been just doing his job, you know, which he was, but that he he did notice me and he came over immediately to help. So, some good things. >> Um, do you want to finish your >> Yeah, I'm not done with my parks comment yet. >> Um, I think Tyler's doing a good job. I guess this is what I was trying to get at is it, you know, whether it's on on parks, the council or anybody or how we communicate that it was probably like a learning point for all of us. It was for me um how to move forward, how to not, you know. So there's things that are always going to pack a meeting in a workshop. It's parts and planning always. So anyway, but that's all I had to say about that. Um, the only other point I had was uh more more timely for tonight, but as we move into budget workshops for the fall and talking about our LMC dues and all that stuff, we haven't had a meeting with them yet this year to review like in detail what we're getting for that, right? I mean is >> so there is a new >> if you guys would like I'd like to bring >> to bring maybe not just Ben he's our rep but like them in >> for like a quick presentation on what we get >> we're we're going to work on that in the next month. Yeah, and I did put in a written record to him this week when I was doing that. >> He's been talking. >> So, prid or not, I just remember them saying, >> you know, I don't think that we can handle that. They didn't say no. Certainly don't want to, >> but you know, I'd like to learn more of where they start and stop, I guess, >> because I really don't. >> Yeah, Ben did send me their budget. I don't know. I think it went to Jesse and Jason back in May. >> Could we get that circulated to the entire council? Well, I think there's some important partner facts on that. >> Yeah. I mean, they weren't offering help, but they didn't say no. And I just wonder if >> we're getting the most that we can from them, >> right? >> I was very um surprised to see what they're actually doing and what they're not doing. >> Yeah. >> Which does not seem to be in line with what they were designed to do. >> So, >> well, if they're if they're the jur, you know, the the juride, what's that word? Jeride >> jurisdiction. Well, they're they're the noted >> group that resides over Lake Minnetonka and you know they need to have their name demoted if they're not going to do it says right on there conservation district >> all of it and they have over the years just dropped more and more and more of their responsibilities and they claim it's >> money well looking at that budget there should be but why can't they ask for grants and funding just like the lid was going to do it. >> And even if it's not a lid, if it was just an association, >> no, you know, associations aren't eligible for that those funds. >> But the LMC >> where it starts and stops, you know, it's like I don't feel like any of us probably really have a clear shot on >> what they'll do and what they won't do and if I answer, >> you know, they're here. So, could we do we want to have them speak or >> right here now? >> I thought I thought that's who was out there. Okay. >> He's not here. Well, I you know, I requested five years of what we've paid them and what they've done. You know, what are the things they've done specifically for Mound over the last five years. And the director is new. He's only been there three weeks. He said he would be working on it as soon as he could get it to us, but there may be more information >> that people want and we should maybe put it all together and plan a meeting with them. So, mayor, were you saying that you you were working with them to come here already or? >> Yeah, Jesse and I were talking about it. He's he's penciling it in >> in the next month or so. >> I will narrow. >> He's brand new, but yeah, we're >> September, October. We're trying to get him in here anyway. >> Chance to train them. >> I did ask our attorney, do we have to be a member? And we do. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And and they do have a municipality status, which is interesting, >> but we we can't take action >> that it's they're called a political subdivision, not which is not not technically a municipality. They're a special >> district. >> But we we do have some recourse that we could take if we can organize other members. >> Um just before we go on to Eric, I want to just say something quick. uh in our 2025 council priorities, right? This is what >> part of what I wanted to do every year is I wanted to come up with a list of what are we going to do, what are we going to talk about, whatever. >> And you know like again like the banners that's not on our priority list per se. It is we want to support local, right? And that's part of what we're trying to do. So technically it is, but it's not specific to specifically that per se. Now, what I did do here is I pulled up our our priority uh work list here. Uh number four is parks, right? Number 4 A is Lost Lakes Commons, finish phase two in 2025, work on phase three in 20 work on phase three for 2026. Now, part of that member throughout the year things happen. We've now we're looking at maybe a two and a half art walk, right? Um we're working on that and that might actually get bumped. This is a priority list. This is a you know a working thing that we're trying to work through, but there's no guarantee. Now phase two is in design phase now. Summer completion, right? Well, it's already past summer almost, right? So now it's going to be fall. But again, point is this is something that was on our list. We're trying to get it done. Um we just had Maggie, you know, just left. So now we have turn you know these are things that we're working through B locom commons adding Andrew's Andrew sisters trail uh parks is supposed to work on that right so as the leaison >> with the county yeah >> right so that's you know I hope you guys are working on that number or C wayfinding trail signs sign put up signs with local businesses etc work on design idea for a Fine. Sounds like what we just did. Uh, Three Rivers, WCCC, Wayfinding on Trail. And again, my comment is parks commission to work on it, >> right? So, there we go. >> I think, you know, those are real general and so it's kind of what we >> but this is the list of what we all talked about and we all agreed that this is our priority list for this year. What I'm trying to say is >> we are doing this and I'm getting to the >> to to other ones here but um event coordinator position f look into each parka use etc. That was exactly what I wrote. >> That's what I did right >> one of you guys mentioned it and you said this is what I want to put that on as our priority in our workshop. We said that that was a priority. That's what you guys just did. Again, I we all can't know about what you're doing behind the scenes because that's not how it works. >> We were working independently, too. So, >> you guys worked on something. You brought it to thing. >> It was a shared interest that we discovered in the parks workshop that we had >> because I council workshop >> in in our council workshop >> that um >> we wanted to look at interested in deep diving into those parks for a long time. >> That doesn't mean we're selling everything. Look into each park, comma, use, comma, etc. doesn't say we're selling parks to developers. >> And and remember the word repurpose that never came up once in the interview in any of the repurpose is is is an important thing to look at. >> You know, I learned a lot with residents. A lot of them were very happy we were looking at some repurposing. So >> I I agree, mayor, that we are getting through our list of park >> and parks has talked about that and this year they did their first actual hearing with a neighborhood to see if they wanted to repurpose Chester Park, >> right? >> You know, that was the first time we had ever done that. >> Yeah. >> So again, usually we've done this, we would have done this by now, usually July, we kind of go through, >> remember, I sit here for two hours and I go through each thing and you guys are all bored, >> but and then I highlight it off with green. You can see the top part. It's green things that we're working on. New website, Maggie's working, you know, we're working through this list. >> All I all we said is look into each park use, etc. It doesn't say to sell it. Doesn't say developers. Yes, you guys put on a dollar amount for each park. >> You would guess on a whatever you guys did, but and I said this in the meeting. >> You know, I'm I'm part of the dock program at Highland Park. I'm very familiar with that, right? I did move from Harrison's Bay, uh, Crescent Park. I just moved on to this one. Maybe I have a conflict of interest in I can't vote on that one. I don't know. But my point with that is I I don't I don't see us selling any dock program >> anything. I don't I don't want to touch a dock program site at all. And I think we all probably are going to agree on that eventually anyway. >> Right. >> And part of bringing those up was some some of them we didn't know. >> Right. Yeah. >> Highland and Park was the extreme. How far do we want to go? Do we want to be looking at a point4 >> lot or do we want to look at a million-dollar lot? So, >> yeah. And and it could be a million dollar lot if you sold it, but we're not kicking, >> you know, the doc. You you touch one dock, you're going to it's going to be a whole thing. I'm getting emails from people that I've told for years a few people specifically, they're like, I want to buy my commons area. >> And I said, we don't do that. We don't we're never selling commons. We're never we're never selling the commons document. Seriously, we're not I'm not not when I'm here. I don't you guys aren't going to do it either. >> Yes. It's on a list and you guys brought it and it it got out of hand obviously, but >> we didn't know. >> Yeah, >> that's why we wanted Ryan and that's why we do workshops so we can vet these things out and without causing a big stir. But um and again the public you can come to everything. That's why we send it out. We send hey we're doing a workshop. Please come out. Um we we can do all our workshops in here. we don't have to be in the back room anymore. Um, we'd leave the door open, by the way, so if anybody wants to come in there and look at us. Um, the other thing, uh, parking lot resurface at farmers market, right? Like, and then again in red letters I have will combine with another project. Well, it says doing this spring, but I think they've moved it to this fall. Um, and then H, Lost Lake Commons, workshop ideas, ice rink and winter playground, artwalk, Tonka toys. And then it says discuss in joint council parks workshop. And then I wrote down Tuesday, April 29th. >> If that's the day that we did it or not, I don't know. >> Um, and yes, we haven't had an updated one. I mean, again, summer's been busy. We've had other things going on, too. Plus water, our water meeting and our uh the festival. I mean, so we do definitely want to get back with parks. Um, they're very valued group. We value your opinion. At the end of the day, it buck buck stops with the council. Obviously, we're elected officials, but we do appreciate um their advice as well as uh the residents. I mean, if you tell us don't we're not we don't want to we're not interested in selling the lot in between the two neighbors houses, you know, we we'll look at the best use and we'll figure that out and if it does make sense, we won't do it. So, I think when you guys came up with that list and it was whatever and then it went down to what eight or whatever. >> By the time you take up the docs, we're talking what, three? Maybe >> maybe >> maybe. So, I think what we need to do is we need to say either do another workshop and figure out what do we want to do with those three or I think we kick it to the parks and say >> what do you guys think we should do with these three. >> I would like to see the council have an additional workshop. In fact, I requested Jesse I don't know if he spoke with you about it. >> Um I think the next available one is the >> the 23rd of September since we've got stuff on the agenda for the beginning of September. Y >> um which would be a just strictly a council workshop so we can kind of define our strategy what direction we want to go in >> for those three to >> not even well just in general at a high level >> we might have left that meeting with nothing on they might have all gotten checked off the list >> I'd like to still know what was the criteria that's I mean you know I'm a process person and so you know you know I saw your list and and like the mayor says we're not going to sign anything with the comments but you I just want to know what's the criteria that we're holding against all of the FARCs. >> Well, we can talk about that at the meeting, I guess. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I mean, because that that helps me understand the rationale and I'm just given a list. It's like, >> you know, I have my first chance to talk about it, >> but we can't talk about it behind the scenes. So, the workshop is an open forum to brainstorm. >> And that's that's where we were. >> So, we all got the paperwork at the same time. We're sitting here. >> The hard thing is this whole thing about we can't meet more than two of us together. we can't >> to talk about that's not our nobody knows >> and it just makes it really difficult. It does >> because you know you're working on things like when I was doing the definitions. Okay. I did the definitions. It's like okay now how do I get it to everyone? >> Just remember we've had more workshops. >> Yeah. >> Than I've ever been a part of. >> Yeah. We we we've had one workshop a year in the old days. >> That's what I'm saying. Right. >> So we're very we're very transparent. We are we we say when we're meeting we say when we're meeting here when we say when we meet in a workshop >> we don't >> one of us can talk to another person about one issue >> but if let's just say I talked to you about blank I cannot talk to him about blank it can't that's a serial >> it's like like I got names from the museum for Taka toys and I gave to Jesse because I can't >> Yeah and he sends it to us if it's appropriate for the council. So, in case people don't know how this works, when I first got elected and I first got on here, I was thinking, you know, you do do back door deals and you, you know, you're sitting in a cigar room or something and you can figure things out. No, you cannot do that. You're everything is made on this stage right here in front of everybody >> and that's how it works and that's how and the difference is, you know, the level above us. That's not how they do things. you know, they can they can coordinate together >> and do backroom deals apparently >> or whatever. I don't know. >> Well, I mean, it stifles our collaboration, but I mean, at the end of the day, it's there for a reason. And it's a good thing. >> Mr. Mayor, um on your list, what we don't have is um the commerce property. Now, we've had presentations for developers wanting to buy it, and you know, the only one who ever bought who tried to buy it from has only paid us wanted to pay 25,000 the old oldfree site. >> Oh, you're talking. >> But, you know, that's a piece of property that's on a commercial street and we really should maybe for next year put that on the priority of figuring out how can we market that. >> It's not separate. It's not a park. >> It's not a park. It's separate. It's a commercial property, but it's one we own and it's on our main street. >> Yeah. >> You know, >> I thought we authorized us estimates. Did they not? >> We had proposal for it, but they've not come back. >> Do we know what the status is on that? >> I think we're talking about two different things. >> We are. >> So, you're talking about the one where >> the building log B or whatever >> she's talking um >> I'm talking about the old Long Pre site which is between Paula Larson's property. Commerce is on the >> the other side west side of the street building. >> The other side with the little parking. >> Otessa's behind it. The ice cream shop >> and the old house which was torn down. >> Yeah. >> But you know it's an important piece of property and we should maybe kind of think about how can we promote someone to do something with it. I we've had two proposals, but they they were preliminary presentations and they've come back for a second one. >> Yeah. >> Our our understanding is that there's still the gentleman that's controls the property to the north. They're still um considering options and >> I don't have a time frame, but we're hopeful to see something. >> Okay. So, just one one last thing getting back to this list. I is Mound Depot and then it says improve question mark like and again maybe I need to do a better job of going down this list again because again usually we do we did that mid mid year last year, right? This is only my going on third year. >> Mand Depot, we fixed the air conditioning, didn't we? Well, I think we couldn't dropped the ball on not making that more specific because we needed to give parks >> um >> like a budget dollar amount to be like, well, okay, we say improve, like what do you mean? What should we look at? Should we look at like siding or just paint or and then I think there >> something about a furnace and the fans, they were already getting replaced. >> So, if that carries over for our budget workshop in the fall, we should just put a dollar amount to it and say if what we're talking about like cosmetically on the outside or >> what? Well, it could use a facelift. It would be beautiful with a face, >> but I can see why we didn't get movement on it. We kind of just there's more important stuff. I think >> there's a lot of things on the budget. >> Yeah. Okay. So, if we're going to call workshop for this uh with the council to discuss, >> you know, a couple lots, are we in agreement just big picture that we're not touching the dog program? >> Mhm. >> Yes. >> Okay. We're all in agreement. So, we can just wipe those off the list. What I think we should do is when we send out our public notice, you know, three days before the meeting minimum, we should say council looking at these properties and put the address on, >> right? >> If we want to >> so people don't call me and go, I thought you were selling or I thought you're selling uh Lost Lake comments, right? I said I think I think that night we're going to approve the park >> to to do phase two. Like I >> But people were Well, I know. So, I'm just saying like >> I think and Jesse I we talked about this but unfortunately Maggie left and then you know so Jesse's doing all the work but uh you know it was a vag you know parks and intended use or whatever we said but I think if we're going to say you know whatever that list has whittleled down to >> Yeah, it's pretty short. we need to say these these are the three or four or whatever we're talking about and let's let's chat about it and if if we fill up a room great let's chat let's chat about it but I think we need now >> once the agenda's set it should be run by Jesse so he knows so when the phone calls come in and go what's it all about >> he's clear on >> and unfortunately with a workshop setting like we just talked about it's like we don't none of us knew until we got here so >> Right. Right. But I but I'm I'm trying to preface it for this next one that this doesn't happen again where it's just chaos and people are thinking their neighborhood park is being sold to for a monetary plant which is not happening. >> So we need to be a little bit more specific. These are the >> Yeah. >> So I don't know if you got the list of was it eight or whatever. If you take the three or four dock >> well it started started with we took Edgewater off. >> Yep. >> Okay. So it's seven minus there's three or four docks. Well, Highland would come off. >> Uh, Dundee, is that the one up on top of the hill? >> Dundee is the one Dundee is the one that has the playground, >> right? >> Or that's Dune. >> Dune, I'm sorry. That's where I'm >> um Dune. Is the Dune the one that I thought would be a great dog park? >> Oh, no. Dune's a different one. Okay. Anyway, the one on Tuxedo. >> Yeah. You know, aren't the kids dirt biking in the trees there? >> They created a dirt bike trails are really fun. That's why I thought it might be a good dog park. And we never did conclude. Do we want to move forward with talking about a dog park or don't we? >> I don't like chickens. >> We need >> I'd rather talk about chickens. >> You don't? Oh my god. Sorry. >> Well, we've had a lot of >> I think we need to say >> about chickens. >> I think we need to say these are the three or four that we're talking about. Mhm. >> But then I think I don't know how specific you can or can be on these announcements, but um I mean I don't know how to relay what we're trying to think to the public to say hold on. >> If we have it's not every neighborhood park here. >> We can put out a a workshop agenda with a packet that looks like the one at our normal meeting. I mean it's I forget who made the point earlier but we're usually just kind of discussing things. I mean we're not generally trying to leave with a resolution or or you know but their meetings I mean and I've made that point to some people too is that you know if you wanted to set a special meeting to discuss something and leave with a resolution you certainly can. So to that point, if you want to have it be specific and say just to consider the future use or however you want to describe it, we can go into that if we want to put a report uh whatever the council wants to do or if the or if you call a meeting as the mayor or two council members and you have materials that you want the council to all see ahead of time, whatever we want to do, just the earlier the better so we can circulate it. I think it's just the narrative of discussing the best use whether that is keeping it as it is or selling it or repurposing it. I mean, >> yeah, >> it's not one answer, you know. >> It was high level. >> Isn't there rules about do you have to have a certain amount like a park within a certain amount of miles from your house or something or >> I think we got that. >> If you already have an Indianapolis, can you take it back >> park and everything? I I >> I swear Eric told me this a couple years ago. That's why I never really looked into any of this. >> I mean, I that's I can't give an answer on that right now. If you need me to look into that. >> No, you can. Yeah, but I I I thought he said, and I may be way off on this, but I thought he said something like once there's a park and it's established as a actual park, you're very hard to get rid of a park park. >> I don't think that's true. I don't think so. >> But but some of them are are they're called apart but do they really need to be categorized as that? That's another thing we want to >> some of it depends on how how you got the property too you know >> right >> so if the property was donated designated as a park and in the sale transaction or gifting then it's that and there you know there are cities that do I think it's each city though there are cities that have rules like you know if you sell um parkland you have to place replace it acre by acre you know one for one so you could sell one but then you got to go and another location. >> Okay. So, when you send an alert out, Jesse, I would say let's do one of you guys want to take the reigns and get some kind of agenda >> maybe some some of the pictures that we showed in the other whatever you guys want to come up with, >> right? >> Um and then say these specific so when to get the alert and it comes into my inbox, you know, I get them in my email. You know, the the other one was pretty vague, but we can be more specific of this is the three. >> Um, >> what is our purpose though? Is it we're selling because we're trying to raise $300,000 or we just selling to sell? >> Again, in in our original thing, it just says look into each park use, etc. It doesn't say we're selling to anybody or developers or >> it might be yes. Do we want to do the dog park? Do we want to >> do something else? Is it time and energy of of >> Right. But I thought we said we were going to talk about these four or three properties. >> Remember the word repurposed that keeps getting kind of fallen off the the chat list. >> Some of these could be repurposed to better serve our residents. >> I agree with that. >> And also if if anything is ever sold, it's my impression that that that money would go right into the general fund and then it would be deciding like, okay, is it a nickel towards the water treatment plant or is it, as you said, investing in a current part to make it better? We don't have to decide right away if we sell it. It just goes into the general fund and then >> I think >> but we asked that question and >> you did Kevin or maybe did and it can go specifically into the parks budget which is the whole point of this to amp up the park's budget >> and this whole narrative of we just need to find money to pay water. >> We might not even do this on our own. We might just keep waiting. We might we might do it. We might, let's just say you did sell, you know, we all agree that it it makes sense to sell this house or this uh property in between two houses, whatever, and we say, "Let's just let's just go on this." And then all of a sudden, you go, "Okay, let's put that into the parks budget." Right? >> Now, that's completely different from where we would we wouldn't pull from the parks specifically to fund a water containment plant either. So now, could you sell that and pay, you know, help offset a little bit? Yeah. Obviously, the math doesn't work out. We're never going to make enough money. We sell every thing we own to fund a >> that never even entered the the equation. It was more just how can we elevate our park system. You know, I drive by Surfside every day and it just it is so full of weeds. I'd love to can we get a gardening program or or somebody with WCC or people that love to truly garden? And there there just a lot of things we can do to improve our park system and because we as a council since I've been on it. >> I like our park system now. That's good >> that that you're saying that because it is it's a park system. >> That's what >> it is a system you're describing it as. A, we need a strategy and B, I mean, has the parks commission then come up with definition? I think you said that you've been discussing it. >> Is that ready to present to? >> I've got a draft that defines different types of parks, multi-use, pocket, um, neighborhood, you know, so we can fine-tune those descriptions, identify them to the park that fits that. And then um then you've got parks by type and you can start then saying what's the allocation? Do we have too many children's toy neighborhood parks and stuff or do we need to convert some of those? You know, when we when we had the meeting in Chester, I thought that the residents of Chester would have um wanted to change the park and no, they wanted to keep it um you know, the way it was. is I mean it's smaller because because of the and that's the other thing these new requirements because of the what is it the swing >> margin or distance or something >> how did we live growing up how did we get through life >> I don't know tried to swing and go over the pole right flip over >> I think I was the last where the monkey bars were on the pavement >> okay >> no I didn't fall in my head. >> Okay. So, this is a meeting of the council. This is not with the parks commission. >> Correct. Right. >> It's another workshop. >> They're want to do another workshop just like >> what we had if we get more than >> should should parks be maybe doing some parallel kinds of looking too in the same area? >> That's part of that's part of what we want to talk about how we can best work together. >> Yeah. I mean, so I'm just wondering, you know, can can we share with them the list that we had from the workshop? And I'm just trying to understand what I should be telling them about >> for what info to gather for Yeah, that makes sense. >> I would just focus on those three or four. >> Yeah. >> Because we're not we're not talking about the rest of them. >> I mean, you guys are already on top of those. You guys do a great job focusing on those. I think this again the messaging got totally screwed up where it's like no this is it was eight but by the time the second I saw there's three dot I was like I'm not doing we're not screwing with doc program so I'm like I'm out I mean you know I'm only one out of five >> is out definitely >> well >> and >> anything with a dock I don't want to mess with and it's a whole thing you start screwing with the doc >> both both >> on both sides like chicken had either one. >> Do I want it on the other side? >> Yeah. >> So, I would Yeah, because you're meeting with them >> two weeks. >> Yeah. >> A week, something like that. >> Actually, this week, right? No, this >> I think it's next. >> This is still August. Yeah. Right. Yeah, >> next week or two weeks. Anyway, I would say that yeah, we've >> we've and they can watch it obviously, >> but you can say we've narrowed it down >> and we're still just talking about it. That's nothing's happening. This is a workshop. This will be a work another workshop that we're just talking about. There will be no instructions, no no next steps to, you know, for finalizing, you know, a sale or, you know, repurpose or whatever. Nothing nothing will. Now, if we do that, we would bring it to a council agenda and then, you know, we would instruct the staff to to bring it to a council agenda to, you know, bring more of the public. Well, you know, we would, I'd imagine, you know, send letters to people in the immediate area, right? Like, hey, >> did last time >> we're talking about your park, right? Um, invite them out, see what they want to say about it. >> Um, that's in a council meeting. We're talking about council workshop >> where we would just it's supposed to be just an open that's where we can get business done with >> maybe that's a clarification point because on Chester Park the park c commission did that with Chester Park where we sent out a letter and they came and talked to commission now we didn't have the council there so the question is in the future is that community meeting one that should happen with the council versus with the you know park commission I mean they could they could initiate But who who is the meeting with? The residents. It's >> But you are the parks commission. So this is stuff that we do want you doing because we only have so much time. So >> Okay. >> I mean I I think having you do that in my opinion is a good thing. >> If anything came about it where you wanted to give us a recommendation to the council, then you'd say, "Hey, this is what happened from from this meeting." And then we'd move forward in a in a live council meeting, not in a workshop. So, >> just so we know the process. I I just like clean. >> Well, and I this is a lesson I think for for me and for everybody that >> you know, unfortunately, it was it was hard to do it any other way because we don't we didn't know what we're talking about. It was a workshop. So, >> at the same point, if we can, we're going to do a little bit better specifying what we can and what what we can't say, I guess. Um anyway, the other thing too, just since we're on this council priority thing, um do you want to maybe just make an agenda item for next meeting and maybe we will go through that at the end of the meeting and just see like if there if we're you know I'll go through and maybe highlight what we or if you want to do it too. I think you got a copy of it, right? And you're highlighting along the way. >> Yeah, it's a just from the first meetings. Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. we can just see like, you know, what we've done already and what we haven't done and um it's in our report from January or whenever we talked about it. But >> so, Mayor Hulk, could we recirculate that list just so that we can reference it and review it? >> Yeah. Can you >> I have it somewhere, but >> Yeah. Yeah. Can you >> maybe you know how I green highlighted things that we've kind of completed or >> um >> kind of the status update on where we are? >> Yeah. and where we want to go. >> Yep. And then just shoot it to the all the council and then if you guys have any comments or anything that we're off base on something, just let him know before it goes into the to the next meeting and then we put this probably towards the end of the meeting because we're going to go through all the items. So, >> uh, okay. Council member Herrick, do you have >> circle back one more time? the parks meeting for the workshop, excuse me, let me use the correct terminology. The the council parks workshop. Can we do that on the 23rd? Does that work or do we need to push it back? >> Oh, >> is that the night of a council meeting? >> Yes, I believe. >> So 5:00. >> So 5:00 before the meeting, >> right? Just checking schedules here. >> Oh, sure. >> I believe that is correct. Yeah, the 23rd. Does that work for you? Works for me. >> Mhm. >> Let me I'm almost there. >> 23rd. I think I'm still okay. >> Yeah. There you go. >> Yeah, it works for me too. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, we'll talk about those three or >> the strategy around the direction. What are str strategies for direction to the parks to run with that most likely? >> Um I did have a conversation with um a council person in Victoria um about their park system. I would encourage everyone to go out and look at their website and kind of the direction they've gone with um to be more concise. um not as many different types of parks, but more around what their usage is. Um I think they've been very effective at marketing that and getting that story out. Um so that was an interesting I met him actually at the um meeting that I went to when I first was on the council. Um, and then I think I mentioned this to Jason before we started the meeting, but there was a new Lakeville ordinance, which I think you'll talk about here in a second because you went to a meeting with the um with the other mayors in the area um about the ebikes. Now, the Lakeville ordinance was created according to the news, so half of what you see kind of thing. Um, but anyhow, Lakeville created an ordinance around these ebikes and so it might be interesting to find out a little bit more about that. >> I'm sure the Orno Police Department is probably aware of it now. Um, but anyhow, um, and uh, I think that's all I've got. If you Jason want to talk about the ebike meeting, that would probably be beneficial. >> Yeah. So, I went to a meeting with Sorry, I'm trying to pull it up here. There was a whole list of >> with the the chief as well as the mayor of uh >> Minnetonka Beach. I was a little off on my They said it was at Long Lake. It was actually in Orno. So, >> yeah. I thought for some reason he was invited. >> Anyway, just >> it was the two of us mayors with um the chief and then another officer. Um bottom line kind of what we got out of it is that, you know, there's different levels of ebikes. You know, we we're not talking about, you know, the one the pedal assist, right? you know, that that helps people get out and bike. Uh there's I can't remember it's one, two, or three or whatever the different levels. >> I'm I'm a bike or I used used to be a big biker, I guess. Um pedal biker, you know, road biker. >> Real bike. >> Real bike just like you, right? >> Not anymore. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I'm I'm all messed up. So now it's it's e assist. >> Yeah. So there you go. You got a ebike. >> Um I want an ebike. Uh, so I mean I can go I I can go, you know, I can hold 18 20ish, right? Flat, you know, maybe maybe a little more, you know, down a hill I can go probably go 30, right? 35 maybe. I don't know if I'm go if it's a nice hill. Um, some of these bikes, I can't remember if they're they're two or three, but they they'll go like 28, right? Um, and that's the cut off. That's like the the governor shut, you know, turns on. And so I guess what I kind of learned out of that is >> I mean I I can crush it on these trails, right? And I'm saying on your left, on your left, on your left, but these ebikes aren't going that much faster than what we are. The other ones, the like, again, I don't have it in front of me, >> the ones that are motorized, >> the the emotos or whatever, that's the ones that I think we're talking about. Um they what they actually showed me a video and there was a young rider um that was going uh 40 40 to 50 miles an hour >> on this ebike through onto the road and then on Dakota anyway he got arrested and you know it is what it is. Um the other thing too is there's other you know mayors and other councils that are very interested like you just said other cities um that we think it's more we got to attack it a little bit more on a state level >> right >> um unfortunately or fortunately um because if every city's doing their own thing and you know people are crossing especially with these things um and when when we say emoto or whatever they're called it's the ones where they have the pegs right they just have a peg Now, these kids are smarter than we are. Now, they're putting pedals on there. >> So, it looks like >> look like they have a like it's a pedal bike, but it's not. It's a ped. You can't pedal it. Um, what do you do? And and again, this has to be, I think, a little bit more legislative, you know, Andrew Myers and, you know, um, our senator, you know, that kind of thing or, you know, at a state level, per se. Um, part of it parental guidance and I mean what are you going to do, right? I mean I'm on the trails all the time and and I see some kids are you know they are wearing a helmet but you know they're flying by and I mean I don't know how fast they're going you know especially when you're not going anywhere but you know even if they're going 20 30 I mean it's not that much faster than what a what a biker could do too. >> Well the problem is they don't practice the etiquette. They don't they don't have the experience. >> Yeah. you know, faster and because we don't have that many sidewalks is the person who walks this town all the time. >> When I'm walking in the street, I'm already with the cars and now I've got the bikers behind me and you can't tell, you can't hear them um until they're like up on you and then you know sometimes they get so close and they say something you kind of startle and you could move into to their line anyway by accident. So, >> so these bikes are I mean, you can get them for what, 1,400 bucks? >> Oh, even less than that. I was looking at Amazon. They're $700. >> And And you're talking the ones that go 40 to 50 miles hour, >> right? And you get $700 credit from the state, so it's free. >> Well, there you go. Anyway, next year is going to be a lot worse. The year after be even worse. >> And, you know, so I think again, the state needs to come up and come up with rules or whatever. I mean, you know, three it's a lot of it's happening on Three Rivers, but then again, like this young kid got pulled over on the bike trail, you know, he kind of ran into a fence and then so he had to stop and get arrested. But it's it's it's crazy. He just wasn't stopping. He's just I was He's going to keep going. And um >> Do they have a speedometer on them? Those ebikes? >> I don't know. Not the ones I've seen. They're like class two are the ones that you can ride on the trail. They stop at 20. Like that's the one that I used to have and I would go 28. >> I get passed by people on like a 10 speed. >> I think class three are the ones that go like too fast with >> you're not supposed to have those on the trail. >> Don't they have like speed one, two, and three or something. >> Class one, two, and three. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> So we Yeah. We say class one, two, and three and then e-oto. >> Ebikes are not the problem. We're I think we're saying class one, two, and three are not the problem. It's the emoto, the pegs. >> So, is the league willing to kind of sponsor some of this? Get all the mayors together. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there has been some discussion, but what what we're saying is we need to define what ebike and electric off-road motobikes is what we're talking >> helmet laws, age restrictions, speed limits, registering, insurance. Just so you guys know, if if someone hits a car, which again oral sad this has happened, you know, your insurance doesn't cover >> when you're on a bike when you damage the car. >> We should find out who um in Fes of the Lakes contacted those e ebike people because there were like 30 of them in the parade together. They had the the mountain bike group and then they had the e ebike group and they were in the festival of the lakes parade together and each of them had about 30 kids. So someone had a contact that then spread the word and they all showed up in the parade >> because maybe starting with that having some safety. So again, part >> what we got out of this, again, we're more >> uh there's a mayor's group with Senator Anne Johnson. >> Um we're, you know, meeting with her. Um community engagement, you know, what what are strategies for public outreach and education, city newsletter, school, even insurance companies are kind of like, hey, FYI, your kids aren't, you know, >> it need to get involved. >> Didn't cover it. Yeah. uh role of all law of law enforcement, schools, cities advocate advocate. >> Yeah, it's interesting how many bike to school now. >> And there are stories of like it's cheaper to buy these things than buy, you know, a car >> car. Yeah. >> Um I don't know how many, you know, that's what month, one month here, one month in the spring, but you know, are they actually going to >> No, they probably ride them through to November. >> I don't know. >> So anyway, that's what I learned there. Um so hopefully more to come on that. So, >> so have you engaged with Andrew Myers and Johnson at this point? >> Um, >> Johnson Stewart, I've missed the meeting, but he's been in my stud. He was he went to it, but there was other things that you guys discussed. >> Yeah, that was that was a that ended up taking up the majority of the time. >> Yeah. And you're the same as what I'm saying, right? >> Well, I saw Ann and talked to her about the bonding bill for water plants. >> Yep. and she said the legislation's there. They've just got to She wants to get hundreds of million in do it versus I guess it was 18 million >> in this last session. She said she didn't know why it ended up being so low. >> Um okay, last update on a negative note. Our 15 million federal money is shot down to 1 million now. We are sub are we are in the bill >> for community um project funding and congressionally directed spending for a little over a million dollars. So it's it started at 15. Yeah. >> So just remember last time this happened we we submitted for four. This time we submitted for 15 because we're thinking we'd get more. Right. Remember this is the federal side and we did get almost a million 900 whatever dollars $1,000. Um, yeah. So, 15 down to one. So, again, this brings back our, >> you know, we've done a lot of work behind the scenes if, you know, if it makes sense to, you know, talk about that. We had a water meeting in, you know, July. And I mean, we're still waiting on this, you know, if this goes through in September that, you know, they got to pass the budget, right? September 30th if they don't just moving on. So, anyway, more to come on that. Obviously, this is just news today, but um we're going to Anyway, it is what it is. So, uh that's all I got. Uh number nine, information and miscellaneous. Do you guys have anything to talk about? >> No, I'm I'm all right. >> You're good. All right. Well, if there's nothing else, I'll take a motion to adjourn. >> What about nine? Talking about D. What's >> that's I think that's why we're uh pretty much everybody slept here. if you wanted to address it. >> Oh, >> yeah. The YCD. >> Does anybody have any questions about 9D? >> I I don't. >> Okay. >> I understand it. >> Uh from what I understand, the public hearing that's through LMCD, right? That's not tonight. >> No. >> Okay. And your appointment with them is not tomorrow anymore. It's in a couple weeks. their next meeting. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, it's supposed to be next meeting. Now, it's into September. >> Okay. So, this is >> just so you guys know, this number nine ABCD, this is just the information thing that we throw in. So, we're informing the public of what's going on, but there's nothing unless anybody else has any more comments on it. This is there's nothing to >> Can we not send a council person to the LMCD meeting? >> No, we can't. >> We We do. We do. is Ben Brand. >> I understand that. Are we allowed to? I'm trying to coordinate an event here. So, we don't three of us don't show up is what I'm saying. >> Um I don't know if we send out forms for that. But >> remember, >> advocate to through him, right? He's our rep. He's >> I would I'm just curious. I kind of like >> I don't know. I'm not I'm not going to go. >> Yeah, I know. >> You're not going to go? >> Well, I don't know. >> I mean, I'm waiting for the report. I asked for >> saying it's the 10th of September. >> No, that's a question. When I get that, can I again share that >> the 27th to the 10th >> Jesse to share with the rest of you? >> Friday and ask us a >> because I know there were a lot of people that wanted to go to the >> Wouldn't that send me the information >> and I wanted to share it with the rest of >> Are you first send it out? That's okay. I forgot. >> I'm not sure what to say. I mean, Paul. >> Thank you. >> All right. Does anybody else have any other items? Planning Commission notes or minutes? Nothing else. You don't have anything. I'll take a motion to adjurnn. >> Second. >> Sir. >> I'd like to make a motion to adjurnn. Got a motion. Can I get a second? >> Second. >> Any other discussion? >> All those in favor, please say I. >> I. Those opposed, we're ajourned.