This transcript features several key speakers: **Mayor Jim Michalski** (leading the meeting), **Steve** (City Engineer from SEH), **Brad Matlag** (Carlton SWCD), **Steve von Zielinski** (Art project/Tech), **Mark Skelton** (Liquor Store Manager), **Pam Danson** (A-Way/A1 Group), **Barney Hollis** (Park Board), and Council Members **Walter Lower III** (often addressed as "Mike"), **Douglas Juntunen**, and **Kris Huso**. [0:07] Jim Michalski (Mayor): hearing public hearing is for comment on the wellhead protection plan part two steve yet the city engineers here will present and answer questions while steve is coming up while read the notice the city moose lake is in the process of developing a wellhead protection plan amendment for its drinking water supply wells the completed wellhead protection plan part two draft for this system is required in the minnesota wellhead protection rule part 4720.5350 subparts one through three is available for for review at the city hall consistent with the wellhead protection rule part 4720.5350 subpart four a public hearing [0:53] Steve (City Engineer): will be held during the city council meeting scheduled for 6 30 pm wednesday march 9 2016. and with that i'll hand it over to you steve the mayor pretty well summed up this is a required public hearing that we need to have in order to adopt the wellhead protection plan part two the plan there was a lot of work put into it as far as evaluating our existing potential contaminant sources for the well we discussed what do we do if one of the wells or both of the walls gets contaminated how do we get water in for the residents that's all in the plan on how we we can do that it's really more an exercise and [1:40] Steve (City Engineer): thinking through what happens in the case of a disaster and then i'm the in the very back of the plan is our implementation schedule what gets done in 2016-17 and it goes out to 2025. [2:00] Steve (City Engineer): um and there's certain things that do need to get done every year just some examples it's as simple as um sheldon or phil putting up a no dumping sign in the welt by the well house drains so that gasoline or something doesn't get put down those drains that could could contaminate that this is all in the plan things that that we need to do each year we try to space it out over the next 10 years so there isn't a lot of things to do every year just smaller things and really with that the public hearing needs to be opened and see if there's any comments from the public on [2:46] Jim Michalski (Mayor): the wellhead protection part two and we are open we have one guest tonight but he's here to help answer questions we have brad from the carl county soil and water conservation district and i don't know if you have any comments you want to make uh i would just just say uh briefly uh again my name is brad matlag uh the manager for the carlton soil and water conservation district i think we're i try to make these meetings around the county uh with different cities going through these same processes i haven't been to most likely so i i wanted to come and visit with you i think you have the soil and water appropriately [3:32] Brad Matlag: inserted into your plan in the various ways that we can be of assistance well sealing cost share or grants for landowners we can help with ists systems with low interest loans on failing systems there's a number of agriculture forest best management practices that our office is involved with all the time so but i i did review the plan briefly before i came and i think you have us inserted in all the appropriate places so just know that the software industry is here to help you [4:18] Brad Matlag: do the practices we can sometimes provide technical assistance and we can sometimes provide financial assistance to your residents and landowners and that would be in their husbands so thank you great thank you i think with that we we do not have any other guests tonight for the public hearing i suggest that we just wait another five minutes before we post this and at that time we'll do uh start the city council meeting and does the council members have any questions about that wellhead [5:03] Kris Huso (Council Member): so you really have nothing you might want to mention that once it's adopted then we'll put it on the same website if people want to see it right do we have a date on the adoption of the whole plan i think it's right after this meeting right after this it's tonight yeah okay so we after the this is closed during the regular council meeting we will do a motion and accept the plan under new business mr mayor yes so then at that time it will be available to go on the the city website so we'll have to get the whole thing to you steve i think harry has it pardon i think i [5:49] Steve (City Engineer): already sent it oh yeah so it will be available on the city website for the [6:04] Jim Michalski (Mayor): community just wait a few minutes just in case there's somebody that comes in late give them an opportunity [6:19] Jim Michalski (Mayor): steve what is uh what are the first items that we will have to do just just as a reminder to the council [6:32] Steve (City Engineer): well mr mayor members of the council putting up that sign in the well houses is the first first item um there's other things that we're going to do with some mailings just informational mailings on people that might have private wells they want to get them sealed we talked about that there is money available to help them do that and there's also grant money available to help us pay for the mailings even so those were some of the items that we were going to initially do will they be done before the end of this month it was real quick it has to be done in 2016. [7:16] Steve (City Engineer): okay so and and the key part of the plan and poor gene somebody has to actually keep a file that we're doing what we said we would do and then every six months i think it is you just send that electronically to the department of health and they put it in our file and if we do that chances are we won't be audited because they'll see that we are doing what we said we would do so okay it's a big responsibility to keep that file up to date so okay well steve's here right just a curious question did they find out how quick the [8:03] Douglas Juntunen (Council Member): water is renewed let's say in our aquifer how powerful filter systems we have they they did look at and our two wells aren't confined wells as far as having clay above them so they are vulnerable to having 75 feet so the whole aquifer is pretty shallow yes [8:33] Jim Michalski (Mayor): so we got our first items lined up anyway yes thanks and the signs are ordered already i don't know phil's got his uh notepad out right here all right we're good [9:01] Steve (City Engineer): thanks steve i think that's all yeah one of the first items was to upload it to the city's website something i will take care of that all right [9:19] Jim Michalski (Mayor): wait about another minute and we'll close a public hearing [9:32] Jim Michalski (Mayor): sort of the council's information if you noticed on the tv we're recording this tonight it won't be broadcast live there's a camera problems okay so everybody knows you have any specific time that you will broadcast this steve this week i'll we'll loop it all this weekend just remind it okay so people will be able to watch you over and over and over again it'll be on our youtube channel tomorrow okay very good [10:25] Jim Michalski (Mayor): i think that's close stuff do you have a motion to close a public hearing i'll make that mushroom you have a second no second all in favor say aye aye opposed motion carriage public hearing is closed those who wish to stay can those who would like to depart you're welcome to thanks for coming it was a long trip for this is quite typical there's is it yeah i suppose thank you a lot of concern for fresh water we need it um with that we'll open uh the city council meeting and the first [11:11] Jim Michalski (Mayor): item is the pledge of allegiance please pledge to the fight of the united [11:26] All: god and states with liberty and justice for all [11:47] Jim Michalski (Mayor): the next item is the agenda any additions um just for some notes for your paper on previously discussed business number five e highway 73 project update some information on a public meeting for tuesday march 15th from 5 pm to 7 pm and at 6 pm is the formal presentation and this will be on the whole 73 project [12:35] Jim Michalski (Mayor): i also have one more this is under new business this is k this is part board recommendations and we have a member of the park board barney hollis here tonight and barney once once we're done with that we'll move you up after the reports and also pam will move you guys up so you can do your business and then the part if you'd like to we have any other additions or changes to the agenda [13:23] Jim Michalski (Mayor): hearing under have a motion someone have a second second all in favor say aye all right suppose motion carried moving on to consent agenda 2a we have one through five 2a1 is february 10 2016 special city council meeting number two is the february 10th 2016 regular city council meeting number three is the february 29 2016 special city council minutes number four is a february 17 2016 organized should be reorganizational meeting moose league water and light minutes [14:09] Jim Michalski (Mayor): 4 p.m number 5 february 17 2016 regular moose league wandering late minutes do you have any discussion questions hearing none do we have a motion to accept the minutes have all in favor say aye aye opposed motion carried moving on to consent agenda 2b financial reports number one is accounts city accounts payable for march 2016. [14:45] Jim Michalski (Mayor): number two is the city financial statements for february 2016. number three is the liquor store profit loss statements for february 2016. any questions or discussion on the financial reports i just have one question it's not necessarily regarding the check um let's see page 20 to region air light power it says repair siren is the siren now operational or well i felt the board were bad too so i couldn't change [15:28] Phil Entner (City Superintendent): i think that was killed they're moving everything into that old well house so all the controls and everything's going to be in one place now let's get into the powerpoint so that's one step [15:50] Kris Huso (Council Member): i just had a question on page 19 page one of the summary the late penalty and the late fee are those things that are going to be reoccurring or we received a late penalty and a late fee are you talking about the jive bill the minnesota department of health and then also the giant van oh that was i paid it late for a license fee okay so just it wasn't something that's happening thank you any other questions discussion a motion to accept the financial reports let's make that motion do you have a second second any other questions discussion all in favor say aye aye suppose [16:36] Jim Michalski (Mayor): motion carried number three public comment this time is reserved for comments from the public on matters not listed on the agenda please keep comments to three minutes looks like we have none tonight so we move on to department reports number four a police chief and he isn't here tonight do we have uh we have this deal on web page [17:18] Ellissa Owens (City Administrator): i'm getting there [17:27] Jim Michalski (Mayor): okay this is dated march 8 2016 following our police calls from february 9th to march 6 2016. in addition to calls we spent six hours on msop calls and five hours at the doc on february 27th we participated in the mugs and hugs and partnered with solomon's lodge masonic launch with their kids id program he was well attended over 40 kids went through the program on march 23rd we are providing a training on robbery prevention and awareness to our area lending institutions we already have almost 50 people who have registered for the training our new squad car has a bill date of [18:13] Jim Michalski (Mayor): april 25th and we expect delivery in the middle of may i did some research on lodging animals and the statuses indicates that we have to hold an animal for 10 days before it can be euthanized at this time we do not have the facilities to that i recommend that we renew our contract with friends of animals thank you chief police brian logan [18:43] Jim Michalski (Mayor): and i think he has on the next page it looks like the statue yeah on dogs so looks like on his report we've got one two three four five five pages a total of 179 calls this last month it's another very busy month that's a thank you on to police department our job well done any comments by the council ain't now we'll move on to uh 4b steve von zielinski update on art project [19:29] Steve von Zielinski: b update on the phones mayor council thank you on page 49 as the photo of the art project the art mural that will go in the children's corner of the library the artist did say it's still a working working piece but that's that's where we'll start and go up on the wall the library board did approve that last week as far as the phones go those will switch back to analog beginning tomorrow ending on friday so all the city phones will go back to analog we were able to keep some of the features that some of the employees liked on the phones like calling transfer and caller id and stuff but some did go away but [20:16] Steve von Zielinski: we will save the save the money for the city in the long run also so just want an update on that questions or discussion by the council good job thank you thank you steve um one thing gene handed to me that i missed on the previous report this robbery prevention and awareness training takes place on wednesday march 23 2016. [20:46] Jim Michalski (Mayor): location is in the conference room moose lake uh depot on folsom boulevard and the first class is at 10 am to 11 15 am the second class 2 pm to 3 15 pm presented by the moose lake police department thank you excuse me were there any other questions for steve from the council very good thank you moving on we have a guest tonight mark skelton liquor store manager and discussion on sunday sales information good evening council yeah hi gene [21:36] Jim Michalski (Mayor): i think we've got uh this starts on page 50 for us statutes yeah there's some specific information subdivision three intoxicating liquor sunday sales on sales but i'm sure the council has reviewed that information there's a subdivision three and i see c is circled that goes on a couple pages any discussion by the council this is a time we have expert here in front of us [22:23] Jim Michalski (Mayor): how many years have you worked for us mark 42 for sure two years 30 years as your manager this year thank you yeah between the three full time that you have presently there's 85 years experience in that story right here in this life okay that's a lot so what do you have for me council well the question was was i wanted to put it on here and with this new information i'm not sure we can but i would like to at least feel prepared trial period on sundays to see if we can make money if we can't make money and okay and you are the only one that's bringing that to my attention sir i'm not hearing it from anyone [23:08] Douglas Juntunen (Council Member): i'm not in my business they should come to me and ask me i would think there'd be a source of income if they would if i would know that that was a possibility i don't see that you are the only one sir that are bringing that to our attention and we're in a committee together you know how i feel about this yes i know how you feel about it okay so i don't understand what you think we're gonna get when i know what i think i know and i'll give you reasons but i'd just like to know how the council feels is it just you or all four are interested in this trial basis i'm interested in knowing more about what what the liquor store costs to run can you tell me what the liquor store run costs to run an hour what and then let's come prepared okay but [23:54] Douglas Juntunen (Council Member): i'm just saying in the future maybe we could so then we can look at well what do sunday sales do what would they do i have no idea i'll tell you what i know but i'd like to know what you have that that's what my i would like to know because obviously you and i and everybody else knows what the purpose of a municipal liquor store is it is deferred taxes to the people of the city controlled sales quicker and employed people exactly so if that is the goal then we should look at all aspects of how the liquor store can make even more money if possible and is sunday an option or not if it isn't that we can't make money then we shouldn't be doing it but if it is we should right i don't know if you look at our reports of course you do uh our off sale is where our money is i can tell you for instance last friday morning from 8 30 until 11 a.m we made [24:39] Mark Skelton: 778 dollars and 80 cents 8 30 to 11. not so good in the bar in that period of time so i mean that's with the osteo open so forgive me for cutting it off doug no no that's fine i'm just and and i think that the reason this has come up and people have talked about it would be because if you look at you know people going out on sundays even if it was for a limited time during football season i can see it being very big you know during the middle winter maybe not i don't know there might be times that it's not but i'm just i think the question should be posed is to looking at it what would it cost to do is there an opportunity to make money or not and would it be beneficial to the citizens that's all true yeah well as your manager i can explain [25:25] Jim Michalski (Mayor): things mike do you have any input kris and jim are on the committee so i know they know how i feel about this so claire i've had people from inside the city and outside the city wondering why we're not open for feel sunday be a good opportunity to make money watch the football games there have football parties as you know mark it's changed so much that you have to have entertainment now you just can't sell a beer in a shot uh and so i think it would be a opportunity for us to look at gathering people here and just like bingo is and that's during the regular business office with off sale yeah i mean it has [26:11] Walter Lower III (Council Member): helped our meat raffle has helped bingo is bringing in people that normally wouldn't come in but again that's not sunday that's not when we're not at a full strength minnesota does not allow our sales sales and that's where we make our money the buyers hit and miss and i can tell you if you want to know i mean i jim and kris noise if i thought we'd make money on sunday sales we'd been doing it years ago that's just how i am i know from working the monday holidays for the last 30 years there's nobody our bar is dead and we have off sale nobody comes to town there's no clinic there's no insurance companies there's no vet clinic there's no insurance there's no school there's no post office no bank no credit union nothing to bring [26:58] Mark Skelton: people into town even the people that are off d.o.c msop people we don't see them we don't see them on the monday holiday what would bring him in on a sunday but again like i'm not defending i'm just telling you what i know i still think it's you know a good idea to look at it or we could try it because again that could be an opportunity because one counselor says so no i'm saying so too and i've had people from the community mark one okay again why is it i don't know this mike because probably because you're so negative towards it they they don't want to mention anything to you well i think they should then i know that there's a number of people out there that would support this i happen to know by talking to the owner of gamblers that if it wasn't for restaurant and bowling he wouldn't be open on [27:45] Walter Lower III (Council Member): sunday if it was bar only he would be closed now they share patrons with us i know barnum's open i know finlandson is open i know cromwell is open and that was like apples and oranges no disrespect to their community stores i love all municipals i've been a lifetime member 42 years i've been with the missile liquor business they have a strong supported core of individuals within community that will support their store we're open they are not going to drive down five miles to music we don't have any customers base to work with without off sale to bring them in and i tell you i've been there 30 years on a monday with off sale and i can tell [28:30] Mark Skelton: you there is no business going on and if you want to pound elaine she's the money night person she'll tell you it's postfield and i know the mayor's daughter worked for me she retired last year her husband was off mondays and so we would just it'd be elaine and i that worked that monday holiday so that's my feelings on the sunday sale without off sale i know we've had this discussion but it seems to me that every counselor has been approached with this interest in asking why we're not open i know we've had this discussion and i know we talked about doing a trial period you know maybe we need to reapproach that and just see [29:17] Walter Lower III (Council Member): you know well again i just wonder why why aren't we listening uh why weren't you coming to me with this information for the last two years we've talked about this and numerous without me i guess no with you yes we have i i i failed to remember you saying there's this list of people that name who they are would you be more like the people who would come out and support our store when the smoke went out we're still waiting for that group to come in and support our liquor store in the smoke we're very glad the smoke went out we are but that core of people that said you take the smoke out will be there we're still waiting for them so the do-gooders that say we'll be there to support your liquor store easy to say easy to see and i'm just i'm guarding the business [30:05] Mark Skelton: because i think i know something and i feel very strongly about this and i'm not negative mike i'm just being smart about this i'm telling you ahead of time what i think and i think i've been in business long enough for you to maybe respect i might know something mark if i may um i respect the fact the fact that you're passionate and and that shows and and i thank you for that and thank you for your service i'm i would like to know what you think about if we did do something let's just say that we tried something during football season and maybe marketed it and did it for a few week trial and just to see what it would be like i mean is that something that you'd be open to is that your direction i know but i'm just saying as a manager i mean do you think if it was properly marketed and maybe only done during part of the season maybe it wouldn't work i don't [30:50] Douglas Juntunen (Council Member): know i'm just saying is there another opportunity that we could possibly do i don't know i think there's something that should be done before we even think of that that is what does it cost to operate the liquor store in a day are we talking 12 hours are we talking 10 hours we're talking eight hours it's a shot in the dark so far i mean nothing is is spread out we're not really being able to obtain an idea here so it's just i'm not saying that i know before to me for anything would be voted we'd have to know what a tape cost to operate for a day well that was my first question what does it cost to run again right and mark oranges we've we've been open one sunday and well i'm not sure when the state changed because we were we're enrolling [31:36] Jim Michalski (Mayor): that way yet so uh we've been in business for 81 years but i i don't remember when the state repealed the sunday sales so i i'm 10 years one sunday in ten years and we're doing just fine without it we are doing just fine as a matter of fact we have taken in the last two years a uh we're doing off-site services in the last week we're talking about how we changed positively and seven events last year arena city park annex trail room uh where else where masons well um no just these three locations we we've done seven events and our total revenue was seven thousand three hundred and seven thousand seven thousand three hundred seventy three dollars and twenty seven cents [32:23] Mark Skelton: that's for seven events now that again is with three full-time employees one three-quarter time employee two half or two part-time employees that work a full-time job besides elsewhere but they do such a fine job for us and they want to work for us so asking to do sunday sales when i think it's not a winner until we can do seven days worth of work with the off sale being open would stretch everyone a little thin and i'm an hourly wage guy if you want to pay me time and a half to work there i'll be there it's not going to be cost efficient at all you know you're paying way too much for that that's what part-time employees are for market uh again we don't you're gonna have a good fit for somebody to come in do not know [33:08] Mark Skelton: anybody and do a job to bring people in that's going to be difficult and the last time i looked for part-time help i had to put a sign in the door that said help wanted a choir within that didn't work 30 years of managing i've never the economy is so fine people aren't out there and i know the past administrator uh mr roman was two years ago i know he asked me about finding specialty vettel nice idea i searched i put ads out i searched there is just nobody that wants to work a temporary job two or three times a year they're just not out there and for you to maybe advise me to advice or to change our schedule during the week to accommodate sunday sales look like our full-time or part-time our emphasis is monday through saturday 12 30 a.m [33:54] Mark Skelton: 10 o'clock p.m for off sale that's where my emphasis is so that's where we're staff strength we're doing very well as a matter of fact up until last saturday so what would it be the 7th of march we are up 11 800 and some dollars for the year so i i'm not sure that you know we need to be stretched out this way and then maybe our services will find her a little as far as help well there's something also in it i don't even know if it couldn't even happen this fall if you look on page 50 under the minnesota statutes subdivision three [34:41] Jim Michalski (Mayor): intoxicating liquor sunday sales on sale a restaurant club bowling alley hotel with a seating capacity for at least 30 persons and which holds an on-sale taxi illicit license they sell intoxicating liquors for consumption on the premises in conjunction with a sale of food between the hours 8 am on sundays and 2 p.m on mondays an established serving toxicated liquor and sundays must obtain a sunday license the license must be issued by the governing body of the municipality for a period of one year and the fee for the license may not exceed 200 part c [35:26] Jim Michalski (Mayor): a city may issue a sunday intoxicating liquor license only if authorized to do so by the voters of the city voting on the question at a general or special election a county may issue a sunday intoxicating liquor license in a town only if authorized to do so by the voters of the town is provided in paragraph d a county may issue a sunday intoxicated liquor license in unorganized territory only if authorized to do so by the voters of the election pre precinct that contains the license premise so if you see no matter what we would decide you'd have to bring it to the [36:11] Jim Michalski (Mayor): public for a vote and you'd have to do it on a general election i can't see doing a special election it costs too much yeah enough and i didn't find this information you though would that include the msop how would they be able to come down i don't know aren't they donating members of the city and you know i don't know how they would like them [36:49] Mark Skelton: yeah we can't control who can vote but [36:57] Jim Michalski (Mayor): i would think this is um to me at an informational stage for the council this is information given out tonight on the statutes and stuff for the council to review and uh take into consideration our administrators comments and and uh we do we do honor that because you're you're the one with experience here we don't i know you guys own the store but we maintain the business we've established your relationships to bring people in time after time after time we're the one there conducting the business there and thank you for employing us but we are trying to do the best job we can down there and i believe we have i mean we have minimal issues uh hinckley is no longer open on sundays the president of heart association runs the rogers on and off sale he's not open [37:44] Mark Skelton: sundays and silver bay opened one football season lost money every game but one time says i'm not doing that again so for the same reasons i'm stating to you there's just no draw bringing people in and if monday holidays are pure identification guys what sunday would be because we have off sale on those days and people still don't come our regulars don't come on the weekends the guys that come during the week they're home with their families on the weekend they're not they're not their wives are home or their kids are around they're doing something so i mean i can understand i i appreciate the fact that you're looking for added sales but for us the fit in loose lake not yet not until the state allows us to sell off sale and we'll be seven days a week but that's my recommendation i mean i i [38:31] Mark Skelton: can tell you uh we're currently open 96 hours a week for a drink we're open 81 hours a week in the off sale isn't that plenty geez i believe this apple selling is serving time to provide service to our customers uh other city employees some don't work on sunday i know the police do i mean being off on sunday is important as it provides a day to spend with family friends a day trip get things done around the house refresh reload and prepare for monday customers also plan weekend purchases they have to 10 pm on saturday to buy what's the need to come in if they're already prepared they're already doing the games at home i'm not sure uh [39:18] Mark Skelton: if you go around but i've asked and uh football games aren't that much you know i i can't speak for esther because we're not open but if gankers would be closed if he was strictly a bar on sundays that tells me something that that says i'm on the right path so okay and i told you about our mobile services so and we've got a heck of a good group down there and we're fiscally responsible there's very little trouble on the premises we're requiring any police intervention over all the years i've been there and i think it'd be unfair to stretch a stint by forcing additional hours in expense plus the need for additional temporary help that they're just not out there i like what we've got we're doing a good job down there [40:05] Jim Michalski (Mayor): yeah one other question that i didn't think of before either do we have to change our insurance then too uh well i wouldn't say change i talked to her that'd be well depends on what the council decision would be on the other 52 sundays in a year uh not saying i'm not so sure that she advised against it for various reasons opening herself up for an added liability it being a sunday is it really worth it employing people this and that for for that particular day when in minnesota you can't sell off sale yet so okay i got a question for you that what do you feel you say you don't want to stretch your employees now if they do pass where you can sell then we have to we we will be going to i'll be coming to you with uh we put another full time if not in the early [40:51] Mark Skelton: 80s when our stores struggled uh the former manager had we had five full-time employees with and we're doing so much more business than we were back then so i mean it's just i mean we're we're fiscally responsible there and i appreciate your concern on this uh but again i'd like to be uh at least recognized for knowing a little something about this because i mean it is i've been a city employee here since i was in 19 i'll be 61 on friday well happy birthday well i think we have all the information we need right now mark and i think if there's any more that council members will call you they have the right to ask for any more info [41:37] Jim Michalski (Mayor): and if it's an agenda item with the added information we have right now it'd be up the council to ask what more you want i would suggest you go through gene and to do that correspondence with mark on whatever um and we'll move on to the next item tonight well thank you very much i thank you for having me thank you very much thank you very helpful thank you lord we have two two other guests tonight um i'll go and order in the agenda so i'm gonna jump ahead to new business age we have pam danson with the a1 group and this is a discussion on the bus service handicapped accessible doors and [42:24] Pam Danson: appliances for senior dining thanks for being here pam do we have information on a certain page no okay good we can stay where we'at okay thank you for having me um i just wanted to talk first about the arrowhead bus services they did a trial for us and it didn't cost us anything for january and february and after they they assessed that they decided that we didn't qualify for funding and so um right now a win is paying for march this month and it's 500. so what i'm coming before you [43:09] Pam Danson: is if we continue um through the end of this year at 500 dollars a month times nine is 4500 which a win is happily like to take on half um i got some statistics here in january i'm gonna we added a service to now once a week they're going to cloquet if they have the numbers and in january we had a total well in town travel 36 people rode the bus and then 19 to cloquet so it was total 55. [43:50] Pam Danson: for january oh back in december there was 98 so that was really good for the month february in town was 48 cloquet was 25 so that came to 73. so we're we're you know kind of stabilized and hopefully we're still trying to advertise and get people to ride the bus but my biggest thing is bringing you know if you would consider helping out with the bus for the year but they will also pull the bus if we don't have the numbers if it starts going down then they'll just stop the service because they're still keeping track of how many and then the other thing i'm bringing for you guys is the handicapped doors um and you have [44:37] Pam Danson: you know said that you could help with 6800 which would be um actually how much it cost for the entrance door the library and senior dining and i thought well before we do this i'll just put it forth to find out how much it would do to be doing the handy or doing the bathrooms the public bathrooms and that would add another four thousand and so um i'm just bringing that forward to to you guys um and the other thing with the win that i wanted to bring forward to you is um we are now helping with the the library it's going to purchase a large computer for seniors and back in the little conference room so that's going to be you know really nice with a keyboard in the mouse and then um steve [45:25] Pam Danson: will help us help them as needed and getting to the good news regarding the appliances in senior dining um we contacted catherine sampson she is the arrowhead area a agency on aging and she checked in to see if there would be any monies available and so what she said she told us at the last meeting that these appliances can be paid for under the older american act she said they do have the funds but the one thing that that means is that the appliance belonged to the [46:10] Pam Danson: nutritional service center and so um the city would not own the appliances so if any time they would cancel senior dineen then either the appliance would go with them or they would um put it up for city to buy if they could or should at that time so um you need to talk about that and you can let me know and i'll let katherine know and she said that you know before they would she would send you something to in agreement with these you know so you have to know that once if you choose to decide for the clients to come that they are owned by the [46:56] Pam Danson: senior dining um but i'm going to pass this out to you i think we're going to go hit each of those items talk about them tonight while you're here yet okay i'm going to yes what i'm handing out is the budgeting for all these programs except for the appliances and the first one that i'm showing you is the budgeting for the handicapped doors as you can tell i'm old tech handwritten not and written generated but as you can see what you're what you already budgeted for the handicapped [47:41] Pam Danson: door and what the a win is willing to pay so that leaves the 3400 money is available and then here's the arrowhead bus which is 4 500 and if a win paid for half of that you know that would bring it down um and then you still had monies available with a thousand 150 left and so then i was looking at the handicapped doors um so actually if you could commit the amount you'd have to commit above ends up being about 850 above what you already have set aside for the budget so okay for the so for the 6800 which the city said we would dedicate to [48:28] Jim Michalski (Mayor): out of all of that um we would need another 850 and with that amount there'd be the the outer handicap the outer doors coming off elm street would be handicapped the two doors going into the library or the door in the library would be handicapped and this door here would be handicapped right and then for the another 850 the two bathrooms could be done right all handicapped right okay so everything here would be handicap accessible okay everybody got that okay and then uh why don't we hand [49:13] Pam Danson: well that would be using up all your money the six thousand eight hundred that you already budgeted that you budgeted for and taking that what's left over because we're paying for half of that or a win is coming on um and so that would add the arrowhead bus transit for the end of the year if we qualify by the amount of riders and then that would also make the two bathroom doors handicapped okay have a question yes so the bus actually would be like month to month because we wouldn't know if that would be right qualifying monthly right okay correct if you're looking for the city to pay 215 you would pay 250 in bus service correct [49:59] Kris Huso (Council Member): what's the number of passengers that gets down to that they're going to pull the bus i should have i'm sorry i don't have that right with me and i thought about that later and i could have gotten it for you um and i'll just share another thing we had a meeting in here with the seniors we were meeting once a month a witness and we had like 53 seniors in here which was really exciting and a lot of them are the bus they ride the bus and um you know they said well we won't be able to get around and blah blah blah but i'm not sure of the numbers but i think if we have the numbers i would like to keep fit and if we kept the numbers through the whole year then they would look at funding for next year [50:45] Pam Danson: and sandstone's bus arrowhead just got pulled too because they didn't have the numbers but it would be you know and that would be beyond us then at that point because they would just say right you know sorry we can't so why don't we tackle this first and then we'll talk about the kitchen items so for the council um any discussion and or motion on the budget item we just received this i thought our policy or procedure was to wait a month after we received something just at the city council meeting because the city well because of the amount we're talking 850 dollars and it's going to be up this month [51:31] Kris Huso (Council Member): and our council meeting will be past the date that they would pull the service okay i guess that's why and we couldn't do it earlier in this because we didn't know what they were going to do or how how they would react to the numbers bus service the bus service we wouldn't be expending that money all yet no it's 250 a month on on the service yeah and if for some reason it went down they would pull it without our choice is there also an option of going less days with the bus no he we um this year they actually decreased the hours [52:16] Pam Danson: on a tuesday so this is probably as low as you know they really want to go yes sir you have a lot of seniors in town and transportation is i'm sure you know really important to them and i don't know if we've given them time enough to know that this is here or to use it because it takes a while to get comfortable with change and i would like to see us try it a little bit longer here for the sake of the seniors and if any time you want to pull back you can we just have to give them a 30-day notice you know and we'll keep track of the [53:02] Douglas Juntunen (Council Member): numbers but if you know you say well we can't do this you know it's always the option i mean you're not making the a 100 commitment to the whole year it could be pulled or you know we can you can decide that you don't want it or whatever very good so this time you're just looking to really increase our what we've already budgeted for by 850 i'll make that motion that we increased our budgeted about from sixty eight hundred dollars to maybe seventy six [53:48] Jim Michalski (Mayor): fifty for the handicapped doors and commitment to another nine months of theater bus also believe any further questions discussion all in favor say aye aye opposed motion period thank you the next item is the the equipment in the kitchen right over here for senior dining if we uh make a motion to agree to allow them to buy it they own it they maintain it if it breaks no you maintain it you still maintain it sorry they'll own it they'll own it but you still maintain it yeah that's one of their the cost is about 20 000 they're putting [54:35] Jim Michalski (Mayor): into it or we have the lease of [54:51] Jim Michalski (Mayor): an agreement but she just wanted me to bring this this is you want to know if there's consensus to move ahead and then look at uh an agreement so i guess we would look at consensus at this point this sounds like an item that the administrative committee would meet with catherine catherine with to discuss it yeah and the reason and she said that one of the the thing is that they're really considering it is because they've always had such a good rapport with moose lake they you know so um she said that actually you know they are really loved moose lake and so she said that they look favorably at doing something like this especially for those that they have a [55:37] Pam Danson: really good rapport with and that have been really good to senior dining and you know so that's that's that's saying a lot really for you guys it's a great program we still are delivering over 100 meals a day those are delivered and we still have i don't know anywhere from i suppose 10 to 30 people eating here a day so it's a great program so thank you so we do have consensus to move ahead with that okay should i contact katherine to yeah with gene and the committee will have to meet to discuss with them thank you okay thank you very much i have another guest barney hollis and [56:22] Barney Hollis: this is the park board recommendations and we just had the park board meeting on monday night hello uh what i brought up was the ability for the city park and campground to take credit cards it's i've heard you know i work at a campground and we take them and it makes it a whole lot easier and the customers are a whole lot happier here they either have to have cash or a check what i'm recommending is that we go to what they call square up or square d that makes this into a register you can actually get a register for free through the program i set mine up for boy scouts it took me [57:08] Barney Hollis: five minutes now the only thing we really have to surprise is the city's got to sign it up you got to have an account they can send your money to it's 2.75 they may have a special program for cities i don't know if it's read through the reader if it's punched in manually it's 3.15 they take it right off i know boy scouts we got it because we were a non-profit it was a special 2.4 but it takes it and within one or two days the money's in the account and joe is all behind it you know the park board was behind it because it will just make things move us into the you know the times that's the way it works a lot of people don't carry money anymore a lot of people don't even carry a [57:53] Jim Michalski (Mayor): checkbook anymore you know what the program costs it's free well it's free it is free to sign up the only charge they do is that percentage that you swipe it through a percentage of whatever that amount is [58:13] Barney Hollis: but that's through the state so we don't charge the fees the state charges it and the person pays it like if you have a credit card in there yeah cost you an additional yeah and we could do that even that's a that's a possibility will we get it all back no but we can reduce the amount we lose you know i liked it years ago they had the ones it was 50 cents extra to run your card and it worked and you know the second thing is also technology uh talking to joel last night and i brought it up before is online registrations and campground management uh i talked to steve today and he we may be able to do it through our existing site we don't know yet but they have programs out there the one i recommend [59:00] Barney Hollis: is campground manager but and they may be able to do it with credit cards through this system i don't know i'm not as technology sound as he is i know at the state park we use it actually we have a service that does all of our online reservations for us they can't even call us and get one anymore but it just moves us into the advantage with that is we won't have somebody calling and making a reservation they'll pay for it when they make it is how it usually works so they won't call the night before and say i'm not or just not show up because they've already paid for it we'll have to have guidelines that say you have to do it by this date or you lose it right it makes them be more it makes it easier to track money it reduces the chance of duplicate [59:48] Barney Hollis: reservations and they do happen when you're just taking them over the phones if they're not written down in the right place then you've got somebody showing up on the fourth year's eye just furious so my recommendation is that we let joe and steve and work with it and we look at getting these the park board approved them all last night for me to come here and talk or i wouldn't be here so thank you thank you thank you one question uh for gene what would that do for your bookkeeping it'd be a nightmare sorry gene well we could we'd have to open a separate account for those funds to be running through because otherwise if you saw my bank statements every time a credit card runs through i've got this [1:00:33] Kris Huso (Council Member): allowance for what you know but you could have a special account just rolling back into but you got to take into account you know at the muni we'd be over a thousand dollars a month in just credit card fees it doesn't seem like much 2.75 but it ends up you know thank you barney 1400 seasonal site so that may be for if we could get the percentage as part of the fee yeah they'd have to increase the fees to cover it i would think council i i do support it like he said a lot of people don't carry [1:01:21] Walter Lower III (Council Member): cash and checks you know you're you're not you're banking on the fact that that's going to be a good check too you know so their fees if they bounce so i i support both i think you could have a technology fee from credit cards we've been really lucky they get very few bad checks down there you know but that doesn't mean we won't we need to move forward with these initiatives in my opinion so i guess i'm asking for do we have consensus and then if consensus is giving then we would have steve and joel look into that and bring a recommendation back to the council on what [1:02:07] Jim Michalski (Mayor): what their you know whatever it is out there that that works and please take in consideration when you find it to discuss it with gene so that she knows what she's getting into or what we're going to put her into that we may not know about and we got to know what kind of problems are causing for you well like i said i think it would just be a matter of setting up its own account so that there's a way to track it so just that coordination yeah i talked to joe this morning too we stopped by and we can do online reservations for sure through our website um we're going to meet next week and go over that we also have an e-payment that we can do on our website too i'm trying to find out from them if that's going to cost anything or if [1:02:53] Steve von Zielinski: that's free to us through the website which i believe it is so we can do reservations and have them pay online on our website and do that it'd be the same thing we'd have to open a new account to track that but we could also use that for building permits and dog tag fees and all that stuff too so well we paid a lot of money for it i guess we should start looking at using it yeah so i haven't i haven't heard back from the website yet um i emailed them this morning so how about the square d that barney was talking about like at the campground when they come to buy stuff for like firewood or rent or whatever yeah that that i don't see that as an issue um the the biggest problem would be the internet down there to run those [1:03:39] Steve von Zielinski: run the cards because all they have is moose tech wireless and joe wasn't extremely happy with that because you'd have to run it on wi-fi um or or a cell phone but then again you need to buy a cell phone and data plan so it's going to cost monthly as well we can look into it very good you do have consensus yes all right very good thanks council and please make that coordination yep you don't need to shut it down your throat but going back to uh page one on the agenda that moves us into previously discussed [1:04:24] Jim Michalski (Mayor): business and that's 5a consider nolawood drive water main extension informal survey of interest and possible single hookup we had no new information but we're at the time of year now where um we probably should make the contact with the parties that were interested in have that water about a direct drill from our water main down to their property which i think steve talked about that at the last city council meeting and uh we haven't made that that coordination with them yet who wasn't going to do that that was the recommendation by the city council last meeting well it it could it probably [1:05:10] Jim Michalski (Mayor): would be street department it would be the supervisor that would fall under his responsibility he may need some technical information from the city engineer but that be up to the supervisor to do that make that contact and talk with steve so i guess it's up to the council we haven't made that yet but if we do so direct we should talk to have our supervisor make that contact then consensus yes phillip are you going to take that note for spencer yeah okay and if he's pass it on if he needs [1:05:56] Jim Michalski (Mayor): technical from our city engineer to make that contact that'll be our expense then up to the property line is that correct no um the discussion was it be their expense from their property up to our water main yeah and along with that at some future point when we do a water main and do the road they would not get assessed or they wouldn't have a hookup charge because they would they had they would have already been into a line so we wouldn't charge them [1:06:39] Kris Huso (Council Member): is that correct steve is that someone but everything we talked about before that's exactly what we talked about okay so we're all on board and we've got consensus so moving on to 5b lakeshore drive street project no new information we're getting to that time of year where there will be assessment on how we fared through the winter on it 5c moose lake wastewater treatment facility upgrade inflow and infiltration reduction study sump pump letter i'll have steve come forward on that please [1:07:26] Steve (City Engineer): mr remaining members of the council in your packet is the letter that gene put together it edited the letter the example letter that we gave you that letter last time was tailored specifically for that no wood area so we took out those facts and because we're now going to do it citywide it was done i believe in 1992 the last time somewhere in there so spence had had a file on it but it's probably time to do again and since we're not going to just do one neighborhood the letter is got edited we don't want to send the letter out too far ahead of when the guys are going to [1:08:13] Steve (City Engineer): start doing the inspections so it's up sort of up to the council and then coordinating it with staff when the inspections can get done and then the letter should go out about two three weeks ahead of time we don't have any time when that inspection would start do nothing has been set up at this time i was just talking about the guys who works into their okay schedules so we're still looking at sometime spring summer spring would be best spring okay [1:08:57] Jim Michalski (Mayor): anything else on that any questions from council can we set up a month so we actually have it on the books so it doesn't fall by the wayside or what's that are you the inspections that they're talking about we're here doing april let's do it all right thank you oh well if he's just saving it will be done by june 1st that gives you yeah that's my little program [1:09:30] Kris Huso (Council Member): so you'll be coordinated with gene on the mail out how are we going to do that mail out change marcy from the county was so good she made me labels of everybody in the city limits with their gis program and were ready to go as soon as the guys tell me we'll ship them out fantastic great [1:09:57] Jim Michalski (Mayor): anything else for that item steve no we'll move on to a 5d park place drive i think we're in the same situation as a lake shore we're waiting to see with the summer or spring break up and the thaw to see what happens with the road and then make the correct adjustments mr mayor members i looked up the mndot's frost depth website yesterday and up in this area the frost isn't completely out yet further salt it is but up here it isn't out all the way out so it will just month to month and then this may or june will get a1 to come back in and fix it so [1:10:46] Steve (City Engineer): moving into 5e highway 73 project and the public meeting on tuesday march 15th [1:11:00] Jim Michalski (Mayor): and i believe that advertising is being done by the state for this meeting they're going to get it in the paper do we have it on channel we do have it on channel seven and the website yeah it's uh at five pm is when it starts and from five to six i think there's static displays again like they had before where people can walk around and ask specific questions concerning their area or any part of the project and then at 6 pm is when the formal presentation starts and of course council is is uh [1:11:45] Jim Michalski (Mayor): invited to be there i can't be there so jim will you be able to be there or just yeah you may you may want to do an introduction if the whole council is there it's not a we're not doing action so it's not a voting meeting so the council can be there without being an official meeting but maybe a welcome to the community and um and then maybe introduction to some of the people then you turn it over to the state personnel and they take it from there [1:12:26] Steve (City Engineer): any other information steve you have on that covered everything okay under 5f local road improvement funding and there's we have some info on that at the last meeting it was kind of discussed what are we going to do with that um eric johnson from our office who helped put together the application i had a phone conversation with the state aid rep patty loken who administers those funds one of the questions he asked her was does the city can we reduce the scope of our project and still get those funds meaning it isn't a 50 50 matching grant it's [1:13:14] Steve (City Engineer): this was the work we were going to do this is how much mndot said they would give us for state said they would give us for 750. she's open to discussing a reduction in the scope meaning removing one of the projects and she didn't promise that we could get all of the funds continue to get them but it sounded pretty positive so step one she said would be to arrange a meeting with city representatives the county engineer needs to be here because he's our sponsoring state aid representative the project administrator which is patty [1:13:59] Steve (City Engineer): loken and the district state aid engineer john mcdonald the meeting could be held here and then it would just be our explanation that kind of re-evaluating is are the projects in the order that we wanted them done meaning project a was the most important b was second c was third and that's my understanding as to how they were put together um and we would openly discuss that with her and see if she really wants the city to do some projects here and and spend the money that she gave us so [1:14:46] Jim Michalski (Mayor): we should do that meeting sooner than later uh like within the next month preferably before the next council meeting so um who's my cure at the street department for the council so it would probably be gene and i and steve and mike at the meeting to meet with them which i think is a good idea if we can utilize as much money as we can with minimal effect to our budget we should go after it do you think there'd be a way to change your prior days here yeah is that working because i'd rather see b ahead of a [1:15:34] Walter Lower III (Council Member): b w which is third street yep that was prior to us doing the work for fema out there we already found some of that and i think what what stephen and edward we talked about it would probably would be a and b so i don't think it matters which one is prioritized if you guys remember down and see along the hospital we did do a road project from 61 past the hospital um and it's and just past it is where the really bad part is it it goes from right at the end of the hospital parking lot all the way down to john brown drive [1:16:21] Walter Lower III (Council Member): is really bad and if that was not in this project it's not a big deal to do a grind and re-reuse the serbian or redo it so to me a and b would be the ones we'd go after anyway right we and remember you know to use this money on the streets identified we have to bring them up to state aid standards which i think there's alternates for project c to to make that a serviceable road to city standards but not state aid standards for a lot less money than this so here yes sir i would um look at it as b and c [1:17:07] Walter Lower III (Council Member): i like to see more of the private roads fixed up and this one passed the hospital is going to need a lot of fill and fixing because there's there's issues in that road like you say this is really it's going to be it's going to be a really tough shape down the line that's what i'm saying i think what you gotta remember mike if you do to state eight at the expense is a heck of a lot more than if you do it to city standard 605 000 yeah because that's doing the whole portion you can and we did this portion from 61 right past the hospital the city did that in [1:17:52] Jim Michalski (Mayor): like 2008 so it doesn't need to be tore up again no but this past what we were talking about when this was presented was past the hospital where that little spot is needs a culvert in there i think and i feel knows it better than yes i don't know if we can change that now can we normally they make you have a logical start and finish point so you it you couldn't just come in at the where the at the hospital and bring it down to state aid standards because it wouldn't be to stand in standards right it probably wouldn't have got funded you know wouldn't have been approved as part of the you know [1:18:38] Steve (City Engineer): plan but those that can be discussed at this meeting too as far as answering those questions well i guess i better jump on okay what the council wants as a priority list first and plus bring up that item you just brought up mike the initial priority list that the council made was probably a year and a half ago when this was submitted again was it that far ago probably a year ago was that was that was the priority list at the time does the council want to keep that priority list or change it that's number one buy myself what would be that [1:19:27] Jim Michalski (Mayor): that's for sure [1:19:49] Jim Michalski (Mayor): from here to right here i think is going to put us out of our budget i don't think they have the budget to do being like because they want to go they want to do the whole thing they'll want to tear up what we did prior to this to do the whole thing to state standard yeah they would well the discussion can be had that counselor peterson brought up was a good point it and what you said as well mayor if you could grind it up and you brought that up as well at that later that later section and not mess with the stuff that was done in 2008 all this can be done we'll just take c off the list and then everyone's happy because it's done with a lot less money [1:20:36] Steve (City Engineer): they can still keep your list a and b or b and we may not know until we after the meeting exactly what are how much we if it's right i don't even know if we can even guess at an all-in-one right now and we probably shouldn't we should just leave until we have the meeting or would you go along with uh b and then a at this time mike with a c under discussion consensus with everybody yes because they can a and c are fairly close together they're holding close to 600 000 so steve it sounds like it's just switching a and [1:21:22] Jim Michalski (Mayor): b and then c is the discussion item okay so then also i would need directive to go ahead and set the meeting up with with these individuals yes and i think i'll just coordinate through gene for the city who wants to be there from the city at the meeting and we'll there's a meeting scheduler called doodle maybe steve knows what doodle poll yep i get those sometimes it works well you send an email out with it and then you disagree with it i'll call you it's easier just to let you know dates i'm going to be gone the 14th through the 16th [1:22:11] Jim Michalski (Mayor): and also the week of uh march 28th that whole week i'll be back until april 2nd i'll be out of state okay so you know but there still is time in april after that our meeting will be the 13th of april okay just that this was good news the conversation that we have with the patty so yeah if you can't think if you think jim could take your place well absolutely because there's going to be a time so i'm like [1:22:58] Jim Michalski (Mayor): okay let's see where we're at um that was f local road funding i consider reimbursement for past hra audits that was tabled still in the table of condition unless there's action by the council very none moving on to j what happened to h last stage and g that's why it looks so long they're in cyberspace right now um jay fema flood updates no new [1:23:44] Jim Michalski (Mayor): information i think we have a check that should be coming right just haven't got it yet do you know how much of it before okay no problem um k hiring timeline to city administrator update i think we still are on the same timeline that will end the closing date i believe is the 21st accepted until march 21st okay so we're still on time and we we had do have applications i'm not sure how many yet but we do have some moving on to l building official updates just an ad we put in the paper there was [1:24:29] Jim Michalski (Mayor): a copy of it in there and i've had no no interest as of yet what is your closing i didn't give it a closing date i said until filled i gotcha so hopefully well we may have to do action this month because we did through march yeah i think it's true 31st he hasn't applied either [1:25:06] Jim Michalski (Mayor): do you want to extend him through may 1st i think we have to we won't have a building inspector we'll make that motion stanley very built inspector here until name first we have a second second discussion do you think we're going to maybe might go the whole year well we posted this um we should give that at least a month i guess if we put it in now my only other question is should be good because we should know why [1:25:48] Jim Michalski (Mayor): april meeting we should have i would hope we would have some but if not we'll have to make a decision then today we had a second yes all in favor say aye aye opposed motion carried um friends of animals contract renewal i think you heard what the chief of police gave in report so any action by the council we have any i choice hope that we hire president animals humane society to accept the dogs from the inside the city limits [1:26:33] Douglas Juntunen (Council Member): that's as you said [1:26:42] Kris Huso (Council Member): any discussion questions [1:26:54] Kris Huso (Council Member): that would be nicer because i think that was the deal before the chief wanted to be approved before right would accept them and that still is that still but the chief didn't know anything about it and they gave us a list of how many dogs and cats and the chief knew of two so they're not following following the policy but we won't we will not is there they don't charge us for the ones that people surrender and they did take off one of the charges because they couldn't verify you know where it came from but they said they the only time they charge is when they come and get them you know when they physically come and get them so if you surrender your animal and you don't live in the city most like they're still not charging us for it they might list it as a moose lake [1:27:40] Jim Michalski (Mayor): we still do not know who people are that's surrendered with animals there's a listing but it doesn't say who it is just we're assuming that they're saying that i don't think that on this listing where they're from they just have it coded as moose lake right right but you know i some of these people when i don't live in the city well we're not charged for no we're not charged for them but i guess every time they renew the license or our agreement with them it'd be nice to have that information right so we have factual information she did say they would try to keep better track of actual addresses so i really do okay that'd be great [1:28:26] Jim Michalski (Mayor): so you need to vote you have to correct any further questions all in favor say aye aye opposed motion carry we're to uh end request to transfer certificate of deposit from co-op credit union to edward jones our first national bank in july when up for renewal and any new information gene you're still i'm still waiting okay oh discuss on trail connection from park place road to monger trail and we have steve come up also on this we did some research onto this trail connection that we've been [1:29:11] Jim Michalski (Mayor): talking about it's part of the safe routes to school that one of the state initiatives when we did an analysis on the cost of a trail that would go along 73 and connect by by you know across 61 to monger trail it was about a million dollars is that correct about 1.25 million 1.25 million so right there that puts us out of the running for a connecting trail and that most of those you they're not necessarily a 50 50 match but there is some [1:29:57] Jim Michalski (Mayor): monies that you would have to come up with a city and just the engineering cost steve estimated at about 250 000 to engineer a trail like that so you're seeing where the cost just goes astronomical to the point where it's not reasonable to do a a trail it would have to be a some big state project which just doesn't exist at this time to do such a trail so we had a meeting today with megan who is from the county who is the head of the safe routes to school in our area and we tried to come up with an alternative and it was discussed before during the last couple years and that is [1:30:43] Jim Michalski (Mayor): going along lakeshore the twin roads that come up and pass dlc to where old county road 10 used to cross 73 but instead of going across it going down the portion of um so what's the gentleman riley john riley john riley thank you everybody remember sam from louis lake john riley road that road which is city owned right now comes from msop to where our substation is behind you know it's north of 73. [1:31:24] Jim Michalski (Mayor): there was a portion that was uh tore up about 900 feet when the doc transitioned into the old state hospital in that area if if the safe routes to school or trail connection it could be made there instead of 1.2 million we're thinking maybe 100 000 something in 120 range so then that's real right so megan you know just because she said there is no grants out there for one point some million but in the hundred thousand [1:32:10] Jim Michalski (Mayor): there may be grants that we can apply for but there's there's still some problems there um we got to find out if that land can be a blacktop for a trail right now they're allowing atvs and bikes and motorcycles so if uh you'd have we'd have to make sure we'd have authoration to put in a 10 foot they have to be 10 foot black top and if they have an atv they would probably want an atv in the ditch and then would it also connect to highway 73 i call the road camp [1:32:57] Jim Michalski (Mayor): well it's just a trail connection then however at some point the safe routes of school could tap onto that to get in the school end and that would be up to them to come up with that initiative megan could would help because it kind of gets the safe routes to school area out there we're calling it a connective trail and again they have the same problem we got to have a grant that can cover a hundred thousand dollar trail or close to it is there any other things steve that were the the grants that megan was looking at there's two of them one one had a [1:33:43] Steve (City Engineer): maximum of 150 000 and the other one had a maximum of 250 000. so when we looked at the trail along 73 cost to the city would be about 1.25 and that included that engineering cost so the maximum grant that we could maybe get is 250 so that leaves us a million dollars short so that's up to the council so this other option of doing the connection on john riley drive connecting that piece where the atvs drive through there now is a lot less money and she can still apply for those same two grants i don't it would be up to the dnr to see [1:34:30] Steve (City Engineer): how much of the total they would fund so it doesn't hurt to apply i guess i have a question as that road comes up past doc before you turn to go down the little trail wouldn't that connect to the county area back in there which would be antenna they closed straight through there they closed they got it once they're gonna close it but wouldn't it be the as the church [1:35:05] Kris Huso (Council Member): school asked if they could come through that because it is blacktopped all the way up to it they just put a fence across the blacktop and they said no they wouldn't allow people to come through there because they've got trucks and big equipment that comes in and out they're afraid with traffic through there that they would have problems with their equipment and safety issues but that was asked it seemed like it could come around there and then cross over at the county tent yeah i mean not walk on their road but a path come along the side of it versus taking them down through the wooded area either that to me is just not a i think that that tent i think is still [1:35:50] Kris Huso (Council Member): that right away probably still exists there it is still exists it's not where their rod is i mean if you came up yeah before that and crossed over it that's a that's a possibility but it would not connect us it well we're trying to do two purposes with it trying to get a connecting trail so people coming off a portage trail that goes around mcp would not have to go on 73. [1:36:25] Jim Michalski (Mayor): if we just went after that little piece that connects you know 10 keeps going um we'd be just going for safe routes to school only and not a connecting thing well isn't the trail now existing that what's the atv ride out i mean it's marked as a trail so i don't understand why it wasn't though it's if you looked at it oh i've written on it yeah if you look it's pretty rough yeah i don't like this yeah it's just it's a possibility that what we're looking at if you went to right now i would suggest that nobody send their kids up to cross it anywhere along there if we did that little piece and we got it to 10 [1:37:11] Jim Michalski (Mayor): without stop lights there i wouldn't i wouldn't recommend it well i wouldn't recommend crossing into quick trip either with semis coming in out of there dealing with gas we're going after a connecting trail now okay so the trail if you're going to pave it is that for bicycles or is that for atvs i mean you have those you have atvs that utilize that they would have to use the ditch like they do on highway logistics you know work with the president too because maybe they would that's so you you see we have to look into that and they may say no yeah so the trail is actually a day along the atvs we have to go across there i'm not sure see i don't know if that road there may be a right-of-way there in from there [1:37:59] Douglas Juntunen (Council Member): right away riley john riley is a city street i don't you guys don't plow it though do you or do you plow it yeah you do plow it so that that still may be the city but still maybe a right-of-way i don't know if it'd be owned by the city or not we have to find that out but i we want to present that to the council to allow us to move ahead on the next step with this application and part of it is a resolution that would have to be made before the end of the month because you have to apply by march 31st yes that would be it would all go out the door if the if we find out we can't put a trail through there then that's done [1:38:44] Jim Michalski (Mayor): that's another like thomas edison another way that you can't build a light bulb so that's our dilemma we've got the end of the month we have to apply for it and we have to have a city resolution by then but we don't know if we can it's all contingent on if we can build on that road and we may come back with an engineering cost we don't know yet and we may say no we're not going to spend the money on it so it has to come back to the council anyway but uh i guess the thing is to try to apply for [1:39:31] Jim Michalski (Mayor): the grant by the end of the month it doesn't hurt to try wasting [1:39:46] Jim Michalski (Mayor): steve any anything else no how about the gave a copyright sample resolution on the back of that grant application that she gave us and pass that out for you guys i read that earlier [1:40:16] Jim Michalski (Mayor): that is something we would have to pass tonight in order to send in the application by the end of the month that's a cut off for the year 100 grand or what would the city have to pay steve do you have enough information on that it's uh it's up to 150 000 or the one i think she's looking at now was the local trail connections program which was up to 150 000 but i think they normally make that like 50 50 on those and have we talked to the school to see [1:41:03] Kris Huso (Council Member): what they're going to put in this is not a safe routes to school initiative this is just a connective trail but the person they have their responsibility is to get the trail into the school from there and after that i don't know how we could possibly get it anywhere any farther if it was a 100 000 project so then we would be looking at a 50 000 match that's my understanding i don't really say in here they always just throw out that there's up to 150 000 available but i know the contribution that we would give the better chance for us to get graduates from those ways to set up [1:41:51] Steve (City Engineer): that's exactly right and if we don't apply this year nothing is lost we just have to continue working with the school and with the safe routes to school and how we can get a safe routes up to that that area would it be better to not apply this year and get our ducks in the roll for next year i don't hopefully be any farther along well we should know if we can at least put a trail across there should be a i mean that's that's going to be an easy thing to do i think marguerite has already researched that for us it's just [1:42:36] Jim Michalski (Mayor): a matter of contacting her and it isn't gonna it's not gonna make or break any of this if we don't do it this year other than we may have less funds next year because we're not we're not rolling in the money right now let's put it that way the only way these things are going to get done is by grants we just we don't have the money to do it all by ourselves any any other thing steve it does say on here and she didn't say this but non-state cash matching funds 25 cash match required so 25 000 not if it's uh [1:43:23] Steve (City Engineer): if it's a hundred thousand we're talking 25 000. 25 cash match required so didn't she state that she was going to look at a certain fund to get that matching from and that i don't recall much something she was talking about that she has access to through the county i don't recall if i was sending an email to try to get answers on the signals and you were talking to megan at that time and i wasn't part of that [1:44:08] Jim Michalski (Mayor): when we do put it this way at this point when we try to find out number one about the road or that land if we have legal right to put a trail in and at 25 she was talking about accessing another fund for a 25 match and if those things come in in a positive way that we hold the special meeting before the 31st we're just talking one agenda item and maybe you only need 10 15 minutes so yeah that's what the first thing i said yeah [1:44:54] Jim Michalski (Mayor): is that that probably makes more sense and if we don't have it we won't even hold the meeting if any one of those items are are negative then we won't even hold the meeting and we'll go to the next year consensus all right that's good new business we're on aid formal adoption wall head protection plan part two and we had that uh well maybe i'll put it to you steve before i say any more the next step is to formally adopt the wellhead protection plan part two [1:45:44] Steve (City Engineer): the next step is to formally adopt the wellhead protection plan part two we do need a motion on that council i'll make that motion to adopt the wellhead protection plan part two have a second also good any further discussion all in favor say aye all right oppose motion carried thunder new business b formal adoption water supply plan steve um brian golden put together your water supply plan it was submitted and the department of health in your packet is their letter approving it and submitted which is good news [1:46:30] Jim Michalski (Mayor): and so tonight you would need or if it's your pleasure you would do the we would need a motion to formally adopt the water supply plan council questions discussion or for a motion [1:47:06] Douglas Juntunen (Council Member): i'll make that motion that we formally adopt the water supply plan [1:47:11] Jim Michalski (Mayor): any further discussion and questions all in favor say aye aye opposed motion carried thanks steve the next item is that let's see theme well televised inspection of wells mr members of the council um in your budget for this year there was approximately sixteen thousand dollars put in there to rehabilitate well number one uh because it's the gallons per foot of drawdown is going way down so that there's a reason [1:47:51] Steve (City Engineer): for that normally it's just cave in down at the bottom and we're not getting as much water per foot a drawdown is as we used to get or is compared to well number two i believe that was in your packet that data but so in the budget with sixteen thousand dollars to do that as part of the water and sewer capital improvement plan it was recommended to pull both pumps and televise and evaluate the casings to make sure they're in good shape so brian asked tyne how much would it cost to pull the pumps televised and at the same time rehabilitate [1:48:38] Steve (City Engineer): well number one while you're doing that and the cost came in at 13 fifty are now originally it was sixteen thousand five hundred so he lowered it about three thousand dollars brian's concerned that the casings and and the well house itself once the capital improvement plan for the water system is done is it may not be the best investment for the city to put that 16 000 or 13 000 into wall number one and he'll know that after it gets televised so he's he's recommending that we not do the rehab to wall number one [1:49:26] Steve (City Engineer): at this time just pull the pumps do the televising and then come back the risk is that it would cost us about three thousand dollars more than if we did it at this time so at a later time if it has to be if it has to be done but he's concerned that it we it might not be a good investment depending on how the casing looks what if it comes back that it's super really good the opposite really bad i'm a positive thinker i hope it comes back good i don't know yeah um if it comes back really bad [1:50:12] Steve (City Engineer): then i believe you can re-case them but we it's part of your what brian's working on for your capital improvement program for the water system so possibly a second well in another location separated by the recommended distance right i got you and that's another good reason that the water supply plan was approved correct if we were to need to permit another well you know we would abandon one of the wells so we wouldn't really be looking for more um volume but if we still had all that unencountered water we they could probably hold us up on that but let me ask you what would let's say we had to go through well the size [1:50:58] Douglas Juntunen (Council Member): that we need for volume how much you were talking well i'd have to get back to they they vary between you know 250 up to a million it just depends on depth you know i heard earlier our wells are at 75 feet i think that that is right if we look at those static water levels you know so it would be i'm probably way high on that number though it wouldn't be the mouth and it gives you the idea though what we're dealing with right but and that's part of what brian's doing for you is evaluating the well house what what do we need to plan to spend on [1:51:45] Steve (City Engineer): the current infrastructure to get it up to up to code so to say so what you're looking at right now to changing the the work that needs to be done at this time to go to just inspection only and not do that not do this spend the 16 000 or 13 000. phil yeah we talked about this that's what i would recommend as well okay so you're looking for action by the council on this i don't think we need action to not spend money i guess okay let's do consensus to change the scope of work i have a question would it be this total this nine thousand well almost nine [1:52:31] Jim Michalski (Mayor): thousand dollars in for the stabilizing part of that letter the poland televised is let's call it nine thousand dollars and that was part of what was estimated in the water and sewer cip i guess we have consensus so just to keep the council informed so that all right moving on then to the new business on d administrative committee wage recommendation public works supervisor an update on skilled labor two senior equipment operated position and skilled labor one position [1:53:16] Jim Michalski (Mayor): on who's taking that and i can't i have a son the administrative committee who recommended phil's starting wage at 22.52 per hour and after meeting with him and they also would like to do a review in six months and then 12 months if you're looking for a motion on this tonight yes any other changes like um leave or any other kind of stuff like this okay so looking for discussion or action by the council [1:54:07] Kris Huso (Council Member): any further discussion questions not on this particularly but we would like to start talking about salary position or that position does that already [1:54:34] Douglas Juntunen (Council Member): take that over last year we're talking about looking into war assurances and so forth and we wanted to get started early and because it takes to get into that stuff and i think our deadline is always the end of the year whenever you have to have a plan in place at least three months before the end of the year it seems like you get a changeover so i wonder if we should wait until our administrator comes to do that or i agree with that insurance too you brought up we do need to get going on that as soon as possible so quick okay i'll tell you well i think we should do your priority right that's another agenda item i think separate from this [1:55:20] Jim Michalski (Mayor): just everybody so back to this position any other discussion or questions all in favor say aye aye suppose motion carried so just for our note keeping here gene you've got two suggestions for agenda items one is reset insurance and also another one from the administrative committee on on the salary a salary instead of on they'll be quite a ways down don't think in a year but they should if they're this should go into the minutes i guess all right thank you [1:56:06] Jim Michalski (Mayor): moving on um there's other two other update on skilled labor to senior equipment to operate a position in skilled labor one position the discussion on on those and the administrative committee recommended a dollar per hour raise for to lean and hiring scott to lead in that position as recommended by phil labor ii senior position yes which would be phil's old position and then that would be that he would have to get his license within 12 months for his water systems operator license and 18 months for his class d sanitary sewer license and if he didn't do those things then he [1:56:52] Jim Michalski (Mayor): would drop back down to his his position that he's in now and scott i did talk to scott and he's agreeable with accepting the position with those requirements so open for discussion and or motion by the council [1:57:22] Kris Huso (Council Member): would this be june 1st when phil moves so that so june 1st first do i was yes could he you just add that he has to complete the expected recommendations on completion training and licensing within that year or one year well once yeah 12 months one is 18. [1:57:51] Jim Michalski (Mayor): and if he doesn't then he is moved back to the to the what is that labor one position skill labor one do you cut all that okay and we have a second second any further discussion questions all in favor say aye aye opposed motion carried just one question did you guys discuss when you would open the this the position are you waiting till the retirement of the current well i believe we're going to open this other one up soon i do have one thing on the job qualification i'd like to change [1:58:38] Jim Michalski (Mayor): but it's a minor tweak and when would that person start what did you discuss when would they start june 1st we haven't discussed the starting date no but i think we did talk but we wanted them in place before spencer left so they didn't have time to have time to learn their positions so when june first came it would be a seamless how far an is well i mean if we're looking to post it shortly you know i would i would say bye that would make sense right excuse me yeah i wouldn't think we'd want to go too far in advance of that of that lowest position yeah the month is well well enough before we'd be doing an [1:59:24] Jim Michalski (Mayor): interview or something so i you know process i think all right do you agree with that though so we should uh have consensus on that so jean would know that when it posted unless you planned on doing this april i uh then i'll just skip it along again you need to post okay that's what i'm kind of getting at so consensus by everyone all right thank you phil and steve you guys are heading out yep thank you for being here thank you guys next item is e a new business e rural allen's park [2:00:10] Jim Michalski (Mayor): area and the hh committee this is something i brought to the to the park board and this we're talking about that whole area is designated park the whole arena area and where the new pavilion is on both sides of earl islands road and what i'd like to propose is the area from earl ellens road to the river be designated as another park area and the suggested name is generations park because the age to age wants to continue beautifying that whole area [2:00:56] Jim Michalski (Mayor): their next step is to is to put in electricity at their expense into their the pavilion and then as the years go on try to add a playground equipment like we have on the sioux hill at that park put in more picnic tables maybe the you know those grills the bbq grills other things that they they were talking about a dock out into the river if dnr will approve that in a canoe launch area horseshoe pits maybe a basketball court you know just one basketball or and or a volleyball um in that area so what i want to do is [2:01:42] Jim Michalski (Mayor): try to dedicate it to the aged age committee and and and the reason i chose generations it's it's all generations on the committee from very young to the elderly so just something i wanted to bring to the council to consider an idea you know it's already a park so it's just remaining a portion of the park [2:02:10] Jim Michalski (Mayor): we need emotion i suppose we would uh do you have a specific area well it'd be from there rules earl islands road to the river yeah they make a motion that we designate pearl ellen's road to the river area that you talked about aged age park generation sorry generations thank you any further questions and of course whatever they do they would come to us to make sure that everything is appropriate for city so that all in favor say aye i suppose [2:02:58] Jim Michalski (Mayor): motion carried and at some point they will they will approach the park word about putting in the electricity um they're going for bids right now and they'll come to the park board for installation throughout and how how the city would like it within the pavilion of course it all has to be to code f donation requests from the contribution fund we have three of them the first one is the east central housing and is that within 78 78 [2:03:48] Jim Michalski (Mayor): do they state how much they're looking at is a donation donation of 100 minimum minimum donation let's open it to the council for discussion [2:04:10] Kris Huso (Council Member): i guess i'm not seeing the benefit is there a benefit to the city to some others [2:04:20] Kris Huso (Council Member): this is this is who we got the or they're taking care of the housing building absolutely um i guess how much do you have in the present time you know i was going to check it before we came in i forgot but i think last time i checked it was like six hundred dollars and we've gotten a couple hundred since then so there's probably about eight hundred dollars in there i'd recommend a hundred dollars if we did the donation the minimum but last month that weren't you trying to get 150 as a as a set amount i think is what the goal was my intent [2:05:19] Jim Michalski (Mayor): anybody have a motion first look at the others [2:05:32] Walter Lower III (Council Member): you'd have to ask your council members if you undo that mike [2:05:44] Jim Michalski (Mayor): do you guys want to look at the other one i guess i'm asking for consensus you're going to move on if that's what mike wants to do okay moving on to the second one which is a carlton county fair [2:06:06] Douglas Juntunen (Council Member): and if you want to look at the third one the donation request is from so they'll just give us a chamber they're just asking for a donation i'll make a motion that we give the color to comedy care 150 donations any further discussion all in favor say aye all right oppose i'm gonna vote no the second one or the third one is from the chamber and they put in 150 dollars so they must [2:06:52] Jim Michalski (Mayor): have heard your last year last month jim and this is for the a good days festival stampede i'll make another ocean that we accept the 100 or donate 150 to the chamber of commerce uh to use towards the agents for the stampede do i have a second second any other discussion and i don't have a problem with that but i think we're almost you're going to have to look at capping some organization sooner or later you know so they don't come what that come up it seems like we're doing a lot of support in the [2:07:39] Kris Huso (Council Member): chamber that i don't have a problem with it but that's a good point i want it for everybody any further questions discussion all in favor say aye all right both that brings us back to the first one east central housing organization [2:08:08] Jim Michalski (Mayor): doesn't sound like there's any emotions [2:08:17] Jim Michalski (Mayor): no action no questions just drop it table it any direction consensus i guess we have consensus moving on to uh g sharing of pickup with water and light and park as per park board recommendations [2:08:52] Jim Michalski (Mayor): i think what we're asking is that you accept the maintenance on it while you're using it is that right i think something was just a little different yeah it was six hundred and fifty dollars to get it for thirteen hundred dollars to get it operational so they would like to send you the baby half of that and then upkeep quality habits so if you're going to spend mine we need a motion i'll make pimples have a second to share or paying the 650 dollars the power like for half of the getting the truck operational and to [2:09:40] Kris Huso (Council Member): pay for any upkeep while we have let's take it second there open for questions discussion all in favor say aye aye opposed carried and we did h already moving on to i hired carlton county to fill potholes throughout the town this is something that we've done the last couple years and they just go they start on one end of the city and just go down through all the blocks and up on the sioux hill and that's worked really well and i don't have a dollar amount right now i think we've [2:10:27] Jim Michalski (Mayor): done it by how much how much it costs to fill when they've ran any last year five thousand five and six between five and six thousand last year but it uh really worked well and we got the potholes filled within the first month instead of finally finishing it in september when the first snowfall hits do we have a motion to i'll make that motion that we go with the county hire the carlton county to fill the potholes you have a second no second any other questions my only discussion would be do we want to put a cap on it at 7 500 i'll second that [2:11:13] Kris Huso (Council Member): the option for them to come back and tell us how much is left if it's yeah if it's yeah you know why i don't want it to be yeah 25 000 correct okay we have a we have a motion in a second all in favor say aye aye opposed motion carry application for exempt permit raffle moose lake fire district firefighter relief association and is that on page 81 yes that's just for their money normal raffles it looks complete to me that we accept the application for the [2:12:00] Jim Michalski (Mayor): permit for the raffle for uh fire district second relief associate a second all in favor say aye all right i opposed and i'm standing as a part of that understand thank you and we already did cave which was the recommendation of musa reports and correspondents moose lake township public hearing discuss vacation of anne's river road and wendy road and that information is in the packet there are two roads that they're looking to vacate that have never been developed and ever used and that's just [2:12:46] Jim Michalski (Mayor): a courtesy from the township to us second report moose lake water light commission introductory rate 23 mike do you have some discussion for us or information um we have the hearing of experience and uh that was that was the outcome that was down below the changes so there'll be three are those individual rates total or are they cumulative like yeah they you know might be bigger so this year will be uh like a 6.7 increase [2:13:31] Walter Lower III (Council Member): next year is another seven percent increase no that's that's amount per per usage so it's 60 67 so that's what i want to get at yeah that's what i wanted to understand from that so then the third year it goes up to eight 87.1 and that's where the the regular businesses are now okay right so it isn't that that same that amount isn't added it's just an increase small increase each year for for those for those specific rate customers yeah right another five percent per year yeah for everyone it was 4.3 i think total for two years [2:14:18] Jim Michalski (Mayor): okay everybody get it do we have any obligation with this team do you remember as far as with rates does the city have to approve any from the power and light i can't remember in past years they're a separate commission they are but all money transactions had to be approved by the city so i don't know if this falls into that or not i suppose we should look at it in case there's a technicality and we miss something and later on it caused more trouble then we cared for him so just an item for us the third report mndot early notification [2:15:03] Jim Michalski (Mayor): acquisition and is this along highway 73 this is just where there are they need to make alignment changes in the road so that the roads line up and the entrances are the recommended standard with by mndot so there is some land changes that will have to take place and they're just notifying us that that's going to happen in the city any discussion or questions on that and if you do you can talk to steve about that you could come up and bring it to the meeting [2:15:57] Jim Michalski (Mayor): they sent us about six of these letters and it's just a small portion that they want [2:16:13] Jim Michalski (Mayor): moving on to committee and board meeting minutes loose lake park board minutes um february 1st 2016 moose lake library board minutes for march 3rd 2016 moose lake active living coalition for march 3rd a1 minutes 120 2016 was lake fire protection now we're a month behind on this because the fire district meeting is the night before it was last night and we haven't always got the minutes sometimes so we thought we would divert them for a month so you would get them you're getting januaries now you'll get february's next month so the approval is that we're getting questions [2:16:59] Jim Michalski (Mayor): correct and i want to take a look at the fire department minutes real quick because i think that's important information for everyone to look at how active that gets there are 35 calls in january as you can see 25 medical four dispatcher council the building fire co2 alarm other fire this was a light at corrections a motor vehicle accident with injuries another one without injuries a service call investigated co2 i guess cad river smoking outlet um as you can see the break now 20 in the [2:17:45] Jim Michalski (Mayor): city most lake township had six windermere had seven out of the area were two so another very busy month you look at that it's averages a little over one about one a day a couple days a couple so very busy and good job to the fire department appreciate their work with that moving on to announcements board of appeal and equalization april 13th at 1 pm right here at the city council chamber regular moose lake city council meeting wednesday april 13th at 6 30. [2:18:30] Jim Michalski (Mayor): i'm just a word too at that board of appeals and equalization if if the council members can make it at 1 pm it'd be appreciated because the public peop they're a public that comes in and asks questions and sometimes they are specific to council members if they're there moose lake water light commission regular meeting wednesday march 23rd 4 p.m moose lake conference room moose lake housing redevelopment authority board monday april 11th 11 am hillside manor office mostly lake area fire district tuesday april 12th at 6 30 pm emergency response center moose lake park board monday april 4th 2016 at 6 30 [2:19:17] Jim Michalski (Mayor): in the council chamber library board meeting thursday april 7th 4 30 p.m at the in the conference room blue state technology committee thursday march 24th at 10 am at the in the conference room and with that that's it i gotta ask before we do steve you know i sent the email out to see if we could accommodate bill waiting to hear from augustana what's that waiting to hear from august okay what i asked steve was if the technology meeting could be moved to the to augustana nursing home bill carlson had to have a foot amputated and he's in there till sounds like august or something a long [2:20:04] Jim Michalski (Mayor): long time i thought if we could have the meeting there in one of their conference rooms or whatever we'd try to accommodate them but we haven't heard yet so with that do we have a motion to adjourn more questions yes sir um after the 21st when the applications are done if they're getting something to us like the first book do you want to have a meeting tools please go over that yeah yes we have that i don't know if you kept that timeline that she gave us okay we have that in the office the whole breakdown so yeah there will be a meeting that will be automatically called forward on the main deck [2:20:49] Jim Michalski (Mayor): yeah yeah there's timelines and for the whole whole breakdown um we'll get that to you again we may have that an email so you can maybe email that out anything else second second second all in favor say aye that's right adjourned