You did what? >> Okay. Go ahead and call the meeting to order. >> We're good. Okay. And we'll start with a roll call. McKe here. Uh Lerman >> here. >> Friedrich >> here. >> Baronamp >> here. >> Nicholls >> here. >> All right. You'd stand and join me in the pledge of allegiance. >> I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Okay. On to agenda approval. Staff, it looks like there's an addition of 4 A, 4 I, I'm sorry, 4 A, 6 I, 6 J, and 8 B. Is there anything else? >> Uh, and then 9A was updated. >> 9A updated. Anything else? Anything from councel? >> Okay. Then I will entertain a motion to approve the agenda as amended. >> So >> second. >> Uh all those in favor say I. >> I. >> On to presentations. And who's going to be? >> Uh so mayor and council. Uh I am happy to introduce uh Mr. Scott Gerard from community perceptions. uh he is in Wisconsin and uh he will brief us on the community survey and and the work that staff's been doing uh the survey that should be going out regarding the civic campus to try and get feedback from our residents. Scott, it's all yours. >> Thanks so much for the introduction. Thank you all for having me. I am sharing my screen as quickly as possible because otherwise I'm staring at myself right now and that never feels good uh on Zoom. >> All right, is that coming through for you all? We're trying to turn it up a little. >> Uh, say something more, Scott. We're having trouble hearing you. >> Uh, all right. How is this? >> Turn it up a little. >> It's not just >> any Is that any better? Dreary weather today in Madison. >> Try one more time. >> Try one more time, Scott. >> All right. How are How are we doing tonight? Am I coming through any louder yet? >> Uh, it's not great, but I think it's >> I can hear. >> Okay. >> I If I talk louder, does that help at this volume? >> It does. Your loud voice is helpful. >> I'll I'll do my best to uh maintain a loud volume. It always feels weird when I'm in my own office, but I'll I'll try to keep it in mind as I go through. Um, thank you all very much for having me. Appreciate uh the time tonight for the survey. So, what I'm going to show you here is a four page survey. Um, our surveys are always four or eight pages. Uh, four is better when we can do it because it means more folks are likely to respond. Uh, response rates are, uh, noticeably higher. Our average rate is higher with four pages over eight. So, we were happy to be able to do that here. The survey will be mailed to every residence in your city. Um, and so, everyone will have the opportunity to take it. Uh and as you'll see uh on the front page as we scroll down a little bit, folks can get additional surveys if they have multiple members of the household or things like that if needed. Um but we send one per residence uh and find that that is reliable for the outcomes on the back end. So what I want to do is walk you through sort of the uh narrative of the survey uh the information that is shared with your community and survey takers and ultimately most importantly the questions that you are asking them uh and the data therefore that you'll get back. We do view the survey as serving two purposes. One is as an information vehicle. uh we often talk about it as a two-way newsletter uh because it provides information to your community and provides information back to you all as decision makers. So with that in mind, the opening letter here on the front page, uh we're trying to really give a big picture view of the challenge and what it is folks will read about as they continue to navigate the survey. So, we explained that the population has grown quickly over the past decade and is projected to continue to grow. This says, "I'm proud uh because this opening letter is ultimately signed by the mayor." So, just so you understand why that's worded that way. Uh but the mayor acknowledges pride in continuing to be a desirable destination. But the growth also creates demand for public services. the city hall and police department building is out of space and needs significant maintenance. We explained that the current building cannot feasibly be expanded and that since 2018, the city has projected the construction of a new facility in its 2027 long range financial plan. To take this step as a city, we need your feedback through this communitywide survey. So again, we've outlined sort of big picture what the problem is and what folks are being asked to respond to. We explain that responses will be collected by community perceptions, an independent third party, so they know that it's not, you know, the city going through every response. Underneath that letter, we have this box that explains how folks can take the survey. So they can go to this website and once there every survey in this blank spot will have a unique individual access code and what that ensures they can type that code in it will take them to their survey they can take it all at once or they can actually use that code to uh if they don't want to finish it in one sitting go back and finish it later but it ensures they can only finish the survey a single time that ensures the data integrity and the reliability of the results. The other way they can do it, uh, because some folks still like to sit down with a cup of coffee or whatever beverage they may choose and fill it out on paper, and they can do that and return it to city hall, and you all can either scan it or mail it to us, or their survey will include a business reply envelope, and they can mail it directly to us, and we'll enter their data to ensure it's included. As I mentioned, we send one per household. and the code is only able to be used a single time. Therefore, we will send the city additional both paper surveys and additional survey codes. So, if there is a household where perhaps it's a multi-generational household with voters, perhaps uh both partners in a household want to take the survey, they'll be able to do that by calling the city hall and requesting. But it ensures that again data integrity of uh one per household on average. We used to actually send two per household. We would get one back. And what ended up happening then was a lot of money being spent on printing and mailing. That was completely unnecessary. And the data has proven as reliable as it was when we were sending two per household. So, uh, to save some money for our partners, uh, we do one per household. Now, below that, we explain that if you need additional support to complete the survey, including in a different language, please contact city hall and then that results will be reported at a city council meeting and available on the website so folks know they're not sending this uh survey into the abyss never to see the results again. We thank them and again that's signed by the mayor. And at the bottom of the page, we also wanted to let folks know how they can get more information. So you all have some public opportunities for communication about this as well as some information available on the website. So we explain that they can learn more about the challenges by watching a video and reading the full facility needs study at that website link and if they're online they will be able to click that link or they can attend an upcoming openhouseformational session and we have those four upcoming sessions listed. So after we've introduced the the situation and outlined how folks can take the survey, page two gets into the challenges. So we start by explaining when the existing building was built, that a remodel was completed a few years ago to buy time for a future facility to be built, but that since then demands for services have increased faster than projected. The current building has several challenges. One is a lack of space, something that cannot be addressed within the current facility. We explained some of the consultant work that assessed all city facilities and found that city hall and public safety staff need 41% more space than what they have now and what projections show in the future for space needs. Then we use five bullet points to outline some of the specific space related challenges. Underneath that we highlight inadequate safety and security which cannot be addressed within the current facility. Again here we have seven bullet points explaining what that inadequate safety security means. Some examples of that and finally aging infrastructure. While we're on the section, sorry, can can I for a second? >> Scott, >> the fourth bullet in the previous section reading, "The facility does not have space for officer training or hosting citywide staff events." Do we mean citywide events or staff events or both? In that line, >> both. >> It should be citywide or staff events. That's a great >> Thank you. Just want to double check. >> Thank you. Appreciate that. Mhm. >> Please do feel free to to stop me if you have questions or or suggestions like that. Um, so with aging infrastructure, because this is something that could be updated within the building, we explain what the cost to address it would be, which is more than $2 million. Again, we explain the specifics around what that aging infrastructure is and the challenges of it. >> One more correction. Sorry, Scott. Yeah, >> the previous bullet in the sorry the second last bullet in the previous section once again the evidence room is too small and too properly process evidence. >> Yeah, >> there's no and the evidence >> there's no and we had originally had multiple things in there and cut it down. So thank you. Mhm. >> All right. >> So once we've outlined those challenges, we explain that again because we cannot feasibly expand the facility, the city does not believe investing in it is a responsible use of taxpayer dollars. We propose building a new facility on City Center Drive. We ask the question based on these challenges and that statement, would you support the city building a new city hall and police station? Yes, no, and not sure. We do ask an open-ended question and I believe this is similar to something that's uh brought up at those community information sessions. So, we wanted to mirror that a little bit. If you would not support building a new facility, what should the city do to solve its space challenges? On page three, we get into the recommendation. So, the city has been planning to build a new facility for nearly a decade. The city center drive site fits our long range plan to have this area serve as a community hub for services and resident needs. The new building would be built on land the city already owns, which would save money in land acquisition and already has some infrastructure, which saves additional costs. Be designed for future expansion. Include a garage for maintenance equipment and police cars. And include adequate safety and security features. Then we outlined that there are two potential approaches the city could take to meet the space needs. Option one would be building a smaller building to meet space needs for 10 years and expanding in the future. So we explained this option would be less costly now but more expensive in the future as construction costs rise. Industry estimates show that the cost to fully expand would increase by 4% each year. And then we show what the total cost of this approach would be. Current cost to build the 10-year space needs and then the future expansion with that 4% growth. Option two is to meet space needs for 20 years. This would be more expensive now but less expensive in the long term because the work would all be done at once and it avoids future increases in construction costs. The cost here is just that 48.5 million of the current cost. We explained that the city has been planning since 2018 to issue a bond to pay for this project and that we are exploring other funding sources to reduce the impact on our taxpayers. We ask which approach should the city take to building a new city hall and police department? option one, option two, and I would support either approach or a not sure. Below that, we have some space for those folks who are not sure. What are their main reasons for not being sure and then couple more things on the fourth page here. So, the city will need to create a plan for the current building. No decisions have been made yet, but the city would like the community's input to develop ideas. So, we have some space for comments, questions, and suggestions regarding the future of the current facility. Finally, the survey ends with respondent information. So, we ask what is your age? Is your primary residence in the city? So that's, you know, if folks have a second address somewhere or something like that or um they may vote somewhere else or something like that, if they have two uh places they live, we want to make sure that we're looking at folks who are voters and and understand primary residents versus not. We ask if yes, do you rent or own? Uh can understand a bit more about preferences between those two groups. Similarly, which precinct do you live in? uh can help us understand if there are pockets of support, opposition, pockets of support for a particular option uh in different areas of the city. We ask a communications question. How would you like to receive information from us? This could be helpful both as you continue down the road uh around a new facility, but also in general communications. You can see how different groups by age group uh renters versus owners how they prefer to be communicated with. And finally, we have an overall satisfaction question. On a scale of 0 to 10, how likely would you be to recommend the city to a friend or family member? This can just be some interesting data to see how general satisfaction with the city lines up with support for your plans. We give some space for folks to explain that rating. Uh and then finally we thank them for their participation and that is the survey. >> I have a question under your security section. I think uh I think you wrote that there's no bullet resistant material in our current facility. Why on earth would we advertise that >> it so we did avoid saying what areas we just said critical areas uh because for that exact reason we didn't want to specify this is the place but it to me that is a security concern that you know is is relevant to understanding the challenges of the current building. >> Okay. And we do have a resolution today where we've corrected some of those cases. >> Mr. Tobin, I have a one more question. I see in the packet printing, postage, and mailing is about $2,100. And I think that's pretty reasonable. Is there some reason why or is there some reason or is there some way that we could mail this survey as part of our newsletter and maybe save on some of that postage since we're already mailing something out? >> So, because uh because Community Perceptions gets the data and controls that part, there's potentially a way to do it, but I don't know that it would save us cost because they have a printer. They actually gave us printing bids for us to choose from. So, who we chose was actually the best bid of the options that we received. It was the lowest bid. Uh, and the printing has certain codes that that they work with the company. So, I did not match up and and and also this this is going out in terms of scheduling. I don't think it aligns exactly when our quarterly newsletter goes out in order for us to get the feedback on May 4th uh in time. So, I forget the exact date that it mails out. Do you recall or Scott? Do you remember what our projected mail date is? >> April 10th. Is that right, Scott? >> I believe so. Let me uh double check the timeline here. Let me just bring that up. And and I will just add to that. There are some because of those individual codes, there's some pretty specific specifications with the mailing. Um, I I have never been part of a project where we tucked it into sort of another mailer piece. I think we've done it maybe a couple times in our company's history, but it's it's pretty rare because of those specific um requirements around getting those individual codes on there, the potential for them to get mixed up and that obviously being a much more significant problem. um >> trying to line I I as I'm trying to think about what you proposed there I think one of the challenges would be is user codes are actually tracked with a particular address and those who distribute right now there's nothing that differentiates the same thing goes to every house and I don't know how our distributor would be able to facilitate that understood I guess my only other comment getting back to this first bullet point under security I think that that bullet point should read the facility lacks adequate security period >> and get rid of everything else. >> Could we add measures? >> Yeah, >> sure. >> Lacks adequate security measures because uh it it isn't just the bulletproof vest. There's other things related to security measures. >> I think that meets the intent and it addresses your concern. >> Thank you. >> Sure. >> Happy to make that change. >> Perfect. >> Um I did find the timeline. It's expected to land in mailboxes the week of April 13th. We can never give an exact date because of the post office is is never exact and different routes get it different times, but sometime the week of April 13th, um we would hope to have it land. >> Thanks. I only had one other thing that I don't know if it's useful or not or if it's something you guys considered, but if we're really looking at trying to identify like pockets of maybe support or or not support, an additional question we could ask in addition to the um which precinct you live in is what school district. Oh, >> because if you knew both of those, you'd be able to really >> and and the school districts are already on there, >> right? >> They're on the map. That's >> So if you knew that it was precinct one, Yisetta, okay, >> it down to there. If it's precinct or precinct 3, Yetta. If it's precinct one, Rockford, you know it's that strip. It's precinct two, Buffalo, you know it's that strip. So, we have five school districts, Scott. >> Okay. >> And and they're listed on there. So, >> yeah, I will Yeah, I will I won't make you all watch me type out each one, but I will add those. I I think that's a good uh good addition. >> That's a great helpful feedback. Other than that, it's looks good. >> Thank you all very much for your time tonight. Thanks, Scott. >> Have a great rest of your meeting. Thank you. >> All righty. Move on to open forum >> once we get there. Um and Jay will walk us through that. >> Uh so, anyone who would like to speak on anything that is not on the agenda, please come forward. Uh give me uh the card uh identifying the topic that you'd like to speak on. Uh and then you'll be called forward up to the podium. Uh please speak directly to the council. You'll have three to five minutes to share your thoughts. Uh no action will be taken at this time. And uh at this time I don't have any cards. I don't know if there's anyone that would like to come forward. >> I do have a card. >> Okay. >> Take your time. No worries. >> No worries. >> Thank you very much. You want to head up to the mic and uh state >> Miss Lungren? Is it Lungren? >> Lingren. Uh so Miss Diana Lingren, if you'd like to start out, please state your name uh and address for the record. >> Okay. Um my name is Diana Lingren and um I would like to bring to your attention that at least about a year ago um I was here asking for help. Um I'm asking for help again. Um Francine and myself have uh um started an association and we are both on the chopping blocks going out of our houses. Um there's there are things that we have gotten from the residents telling us about things like uh there are sink holes that are opening up in the park and we can't I have written to the um attorney general. I've had all of G Street to uh to write to the attorney general and he just turned around and sent a letter to Vicki, our manager. Um she has in in my opinion broken several um laws and uh she bullies people. She uh has not I guess I'm I'm asking for help to try and get a handle on some of this. Um they need to take care of these sink holes. Somebody's going to get hurt. We almost lost the dog last year to uh being sucked into one of the down one of the little rivers. Um now I know that we had a grant agreement that putting the sewer system and um I don't know if the sewer system is failing, but my backyard is soaking wet most of the time. I have water from the field cleared to the back door of my house. So therefore, my bedroom and my hangs over soggy water or soggy ground, you know. So, I'm sure that that's what has opened up a lot of these holes um up underneath some of these trailers. Um there's they're big enough for a full grown man to do, you know. So, that's why I'm concerned that much about it. The little kid goes wants to go tubing down the our so-called river um and they take a wrong turn, they can be sucked in one of these holes. Um I've tried rocks down it and then you can't hear. I don't know if it's mucky to the point to where the rock doesn't hit anything or it just, you know, lands on de. But, you know, I mean, I've been fighting for at least a year now to try and have somebody, you know, do something about it. Um, also, um, with I don't know about the grant agreement and exactly how that is going, but they are raising our rent another $60. It was $200 last year and now they're raising another 60. Um, and I guess I would like to know what what uh programs to get on or you know any of that stuff. I am tired. Um, I'm on a fixed income and um I can't take too much more of a hit because they've also closed our um our uh >> storage areas and uh So, my rent didn't go up to $200. My rent went up $581 because I had I have to hold everything up. I I can't have a boat in my driveway. I can't have anything in my driveway. I don't necessarily have car. I have a trailer, but that that is considered violating the lease. So, you know, um I'm I'm under pressure as far as being thrown on my house. If I lose my case, I have to leave my house immediately. Now, why it has to be that harsh, I don't know. Um, but you know, I mean, we we're under the gun and there's a lot of people that are shying away from coming and talking to us because of the retaliation that is going on. You know, um Jeff is also a manager. He has made a false police report about me. You know, stating that I am a person that was trespassed to live in my household. He does not live in my household. I keep telling them that, but it is my loss, you know. So, I mean, it's just there's we're we're at our end. I mean, we don't know what to do and how to try and stop these people from just taking our own, you know, they have made it so that in their lease, you cannot um you cannot sell the house. You have to offer it to them first and then they have to say they don't want it. If they don't want you to be able to sell it, they won't allow you to anybody else to move into the park to take over my house. And the only other way that I am left to try and save my house is have it towed out of of the park and sold that way. But if I try to do that, I am to take a $2 million um insurance policy and put it in Vicky's name so that if something happens, she gets the money, not me. So um you know, I guess let Francine try and hit you up with a couple of more things, but you know, I mean, we are here trying to talk for everybody in the park and everybody is scared. You know, nobody wants to come to the meetings because they don't know what's going to happen. You know, I mean, here we we are the two that created a committee and we are both on the block to be thrown out. You know, I thought that we had the association is supposed to help us with that. Thank you. >> U Miss Francine Woodford. >> Please uh state your name and address for the record. >> All right. My name is Francine Woodford. I was here like Diana said approximately a year ago to raise concerns about the very things I, you know, brought up last year. >> What's your address? >> Oh, my address. I live at the Maple Hill estate mobile home in home community. Um, but I'm an A23. It doesn't anybody can know where I'm at. I'm the, you know, I'm the elected president of the resident association that I organize specifically to try to, you know, get some accountability for the unfair and deceptive trade practices that the new management and owners of the community have been, you know, utilizing. Um, so I've reached out to the attorney general multiple times. Um, and I I have not really gotten any meaningful response um or um relance that something is being done. Um I've also written letters to every single legislator in our district, senators and house representatives. They've all referred me to the attorney general's office, >> which is not helpful. Um >> have you have you reached out to any outside of our district? >> Um No, I've reached but I have reached out to um different agencies in the state and in the federal government relating to housing and >> I only brought that up because and I I paused your time here momentarily. Um >> I believe there's some substantial legislation being discussed. >> Yes. >> Uh regarding mobile home parks. >> Yeah. And so there might be legislators who are working on those bills in particular that might be able to help and and know more about resources and and might be the right avenue to go. >> Um and I could try to find that that those names for you and let you know >> that would that would be helpful. I I do know that the recent um attempt to pass the state manufacturing homeowner bill rights was not the vote is not a vote that was a result a positive result for Um, apparently um the constituent was promised um that their district representative would vote yes. And when it came time to vote, he walked out. And when asked why did he lie, he said politics. Really? Politics over people. That's absolutely outrageous. Okay. I've contacted so many different um agencies in the government, state government and federal government. Um and I'm here again, like Diane said, I'm I'm here again a year later asking for help with the very same issue that I was here for a year ago. Um nothing's been nothing's been done um to protect residents that are being priced out of their homes and facing retaliatory eviction for their for exercising protected tenant activities and rights. Um we have the right to organize to address the you know matters our living conditions in our park and the only response that I've gotten from management um for my complaints and for my attempt to you know remedy the injustice that's occurring um is fabricated role violations um surely to support the unjust um eviction that I'm currently fighting right now. Um so, you know, I reached out to these agencies. I've been referred to the attorney general. I haven't really received a meaningful response um from the attorney any response from the attorney general since May of last year about my housing related concerns um and violations of state law and consumer protection um laws as well. And I just I just don't I like where who is going to stand up and like what what's going to be the final straw where somebody is going to stand up and do something to protect the residents um from these you know unfair and un you know unfair evictions being um taken against them because they're you know because they're trying to stand up for their rights. Um what's what's the point of having all these laws in place to protect people from the very thing that we're experiencing if nobody's enforcing them? You know where barely draw the line and stop allowing this to occur unchecked if management has no fear of consequences. And historically, there has been no consequence. They are they're just carrying on like it's another day. Totally completely in disregard for this for the welfare of the of the residents and no care at all that their lives are being completely disrupted in their in their property and their homes stolen out. underneath them. It's like who's going to who's going to stand up and fight? I don't, you know, I don't know when I'm going to hit the right agency. I don't know when I'm going to connect with the right organization that that can help me do something about this. It just it just feels like no one wants to make any real effort to do anything about what's occurring. Like I said, I came here a year ago with the same issue. I've reached out to many, many agencies, officials. Still, I've got the same response. Everyone's looking the other way. That's about what I got. >> Thank you. >> Appreciate you coming up. >> One more thing. >> Sure. If you'd like to come up to the mic quick. It has to do with uh the water. Um I am under the understanding that we had one of the wells um that the city of Corkran shut one of the wells down um and we were not supposed to use it. And this is back in 2020. Um, but our uh our our management has gotten frustrated with well number one and they shut that off and they turn back on this well that has got the um the stuff in it that causes lesions and things like that. There's also been an injustice done where there was a PCA um person that was not allowed to go in and take care of two men that had passed away. and nobody's looked into the three months that she turned this well on. There were six people that died um in the three months. So, I just wanted to make sure you guys >> Thanks for sharing that. >> Mr. Mayor, if I could a question that you raised. Uh so, for your awareness, if you wanted to copy, I have the two bills and I can give you uh so uh the Senate bill is SF 2691. Uh there's actually five authors that might be helpful reference. I reach out to all of them >> and and they they actually just had a second reading in the judiciary and public safety committee three days ago. >> Uh and then in the house there are 19 authors. That bill is HF2381. And uh last action on that was was a little bit earlier this month on the 5th of March. Uh so those are the two bills HF2381 SF2691. And if you go to the office of the reviser of statutes, it gives the list of their names and how to contact those that collect us. copy them all. >> So who is connected to the authors of these bills and you know pursuing you know resolution of the issues occurring that in I'm trying I'm looking into every option I got here. So >> Mr. Mayor. >> Yes. >> Um >> we are running out of time. >> Could I ask a quick question Mr. Tolbin? Can you do we have anything in place ordinance-wise regarding eviction notices? Do we have a number of days in our in our rental >> that specifies >> rental gets a little tricky because of the >> the especially when they own the trailer and they're just renting land that it's not something currently covered in our rental ordinance specifically. If there are um manufactured that are being rented out, then that would be under a rental license, but that would be a specific trail home within the park. And then the other issue being we do not regulate very much within private leases. Uh we do have some rules in in terms of if there are code vi zoning ordinance violations there could theoretically be an eviction but I don't believe we have any language in regarding how they evict with our current rental ordinance. >> Okay. I only asked because I and I don't know the specifics, but in the city that I work in, we just passed an emergency ordinance basically extending the eviction notice date from 14 days to 30 days to allow people time to try to access Henipin County to try to get some assistance with their rent. >> We did not take that approach when we adopted the rental. was uh that we weren't really at that point thinking about regulating the individual leases. >> Yeah. >> Specifically to to address the question that you're raising, what does exist and and this was sent out after they visited us last year um because of our limitations. Uh I sent out the manufactured um uh home parks handbook as well as the manufactured home rights guide. And specifically on page five of that, it talks about the requirements of serving notice, which addresses what you're talking about. So, so within that guide from the Attorney General's office, there's some specific requirements that uh under Minnesota statute 327C.02 subdivision. So, >> so would this be something we should look into changing our ordinance to include something like that with our rental? >> I referred to our attorney on that one. Mayor, members of council, we we can look into what authority we have. Our authority is somewhat limited in this area. Um, unfortunately, we don't have much um authority to step into the landlord tenant relationship. So, if you're talking about a notice requirement um found in our rental housing, it's not even clear that most of the housing in the in the park would qualify as as Natalie mentioned. So I don't know that there's much that the city can do in this realm unfortunately where it's not a it's not a want to it's a able to problem. >> So it isn't where we've where we've defined this parcel or this property as a specific I don't even know what it would be like. >> So if if every manufactured home in the park was being rented out >> and they weren't owned then we would have more ability to theoretically we could have more ability to regulate some things. Um, but the reality >> because it's land that it's different. >> They're renting land and they own the home and it's a rental dwelling. So, we're focused on the dwelling because the whole argument for why the rental dwelling ordinance exists is because we're regulating the safety of the dwelling. Okay. >> So, rental land is not we don't get involved with land rentals. We have lots of actually land rentals in this in the city just because farmers rent out land all the time. That does not require a rental dwelling license. >> Okay. Thank you. >> General, uh, the mobile parks are a lot trickier logistically because of the way that they're operated with >> an owner up like you said, but not the >> homes and it gets unfortunate, but hopefully we can get that close contacts or they know where to find the contact. >> They know where to find them now. Um the city aware of the point that was raised about sinkholes >> in that part of the city >> and the well >> and the well >> I mean it's all private property so we don't maintain it or whatever so without someone calling it's a private it's a sinkhole on a private property so it really have to impact another property um in terms of a well just uh it's a it's not a public municipal served property in terms of drinking water. It's a private well system that would be regulated by the department of health. So I know there was reference that the city did something. It was likely the department of health. So if you have questions about water quality, I would refer you to the department of health. >> Attorney General. >> Is there any adjacent construction activity that might be driving sinkhole formation with shift in the way water is flowing? >> I mean there's a no there's nothing. It's undeveloped property that's I mean I generally know it's probably south and southeast that I'm aware of some drainage issues that we looked at with adjacent developments in our modeling but um the property itself hasn't developed so it hasn't changed in a long time and and the sinkholes >> I'm I'm speculating a sinkhole is likely some cavity that's collapsing right that's drawing the material down so that would be likely the infrastructure there without being on site that would be like an site issue likely causing a sinkhole >> a gigantic tree. So I'm speculating not being on the site, but that's typical cause a sinkhole of some sort of underground movement, right? So if a pipe collapsed in theory that would draw material down we don't we haven't gone on the property. It's private property. It's private infrastructure. >> Um I don't know as far as the the uh sewer that was put in with the grant agreement. I don't it doesn't it flows over the top of it and comes down into our yard. I mean it's like So the sewer agreement really just hooked up a pipe to the property. >> Um so it didn't really connect any of the houses. So attached onto an existing pipe. So it's more of like a stub uh like a service stub. So it it didn't replace all the to my knowledge it just stubbed the property and it decommissioned the trees and plant >> it that's sanitary. So the sanitary sewer is what we do service. So, their sanitary sewage flows do come through our system and ultimately Met Council. >> I'm not I mean that's monitored at the Met Council lift station. I'm not aware of any spikes or peaks or sir charges. They would notify us if they had one after a storm event, but there's nothing that we know of that we've been contacted. So, that I would say that would be being monitored by council for those inflow inflow infiltration circumstances. So that would be like if some fracture happened and water was leaking into the sewer from >> Yeah. It would be like they would see a spike in volume because surface water shouldn't be treated, right? It should be run off. So they do monitor that pretty significantly and they do come after cities to fix stuff. They have a program that monitors that. So um I mean it's it's all depend on your percentage, but they are I guess they haven't approached us if there's a spike in an individual event. We haven't been contacted with any specific reason. We haven't had evidence of a backup. You know, like so in theory, if there's a single material got into our pipe, at some point would cause a backup. We'd see a plug. We'd investigate and chase it. We haven't had any of those instances. >> Mr. Thes, I think that you um already answered this question, but I just want to make certain that I understand you correctly. Is it your legal opinion that this city council has no authority to intervene or otherwise get involved in a tenant landlord matter? >> Mayor Council, uh, yeah, the customer that that's generally correct. There there are elements that, you know, Natalie mentioned related to rental properties that are that are regulated on a public safety basis for occupancy and that's usually the the the goal of that but in purely landlord tenant private uh lease um arrangements generally the city's without correct >> yeah thank you I just wanted to double check because there was a comment about organizations looking the other way and not wanting to help it's not a matter that we don't want to help I don't think that we have you know the ability to help >> yeah it's uh yeah I think it's it's a fair point council member Lanch I think the uh from hearing what the residents were were saying that they're being uh repeatedly kind of sent in the direction of the attorney general is I guess somewhat to be expected in light of the fact that department of health regulations as Kevin mentioned are uh the the authority to enforce those is with B. So um you know that doesn't necessarily solve the problem that they're they're identifying. I understand. I get your frustration, but that is the entity that would have the authority to enforce that. For example, the the issue with the well that you're >> just sorry to interrupt, but is there any way that the city could inquire with the attorney general's office to, you know, see if there's anything even, you know, if there's any actions being contemplated or what steps they might know that, you know, I've committed as well as Diana and many other residents. Um, I'm sure we've got a good majority of complaints. >> If you want to follow up with me, my card's on the the wall there. >> I'm happy to reach out on your behalf to the attorney general. I wouldn't expect necessarily that he would be any more responsive to me than he would be to you, but can't hurt. >> What about a ranch agreement? Is that just going to be swept under the table and nothing happen with it? I think attorneys might be able to speak to that. >> Mayor C. Yeah, the unfortunately the the city has no authority under the grant agreement to enforce any aspects of it. It it's it's plainly stated in the agreement that it's it lies within that council. >> Um and so there there is open litigation on that matter presently, but the city's the city's really without any authority. stolen at all. >> Is there any other low income area that we can move into or do we have to move out of Portland to be able to stay, you know, I mean I'm facing it now in no other, you know, and like I said with the storage being on on the on site. I've had to take everything that I own off site and you know it's it's $381 that I you know so like I said it went up 581 bucks for me. >> I'm not sure offh hand um I know a lot of similar parks are having similar issues. Um so unfortunately I I I don't know that I have a recommendation for you. Um, other than I can try to help get you in touch with the AG. >> Do you have any idea who I can write as far as these sequels that are opening up? But I mean, somebody's going to get hurt. >> Would that be through the Department of Health with AG or would that be something else with >> Well, Department of Health does the water. >> Yeah. >> Um, >> a sinkhole unless it's affecting other property. If the effect is just a individual property like I I don't know what that would be. We need almost an action that affects something to look into it. >> I don't know how to I don't know. >> No, I I I think you know mayor members I think that's a fair assessment of the problem because it's internal to the property. It's really funneled back to the landlord tenant problem that council member Lantum was alluding to becomes a a private matter that the city really can't intervene on. But um if there you know if there are matters of public violation of code you know and things like that that we we can enforce um that's that's very observant. That doesn't sound like that's exactly what your what your issue would be. Um but I I think the the if you're concerned about the drinking water things like that yeah you have to go to the enforcement source. Well, thank you for for coming today and speaking and like I said, please follow up and I'll do what I can to try to push that along. I like I said, I I can't promise anything and I don't know that he's any more likely to respond. new thing we can do as far as trespassing because they are trespassing people and these these people there's two gentlemen that I can show you that had passed away because they were not given their DCA ability to come into the park >> that I would have to maybe turn anything over to >> Mayor Council unfortunately no that's another private property interest just the city really lacks any authority to tell anyone who they can't allow on the property unfortunately. So, not something that we're going to have any more authority than you would on. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much. Thank you for >> take care. All righty. No other cards, Mr. >> April 28th. >> Yep. I have it in my calendar. >> Sounds good. >> I have several of them in my calendar. >> Perfect. >> So, we are fighting for that for sure. we should thank you for your time. >> Thank you very much for your time. >> All righty. On to consent uh agenda which we have items 6A through 6 J. Uh I and J were added. Does anyone want to pull anything? Going once, going twice. So motion to approve agenda. >> Motion Baramp second. Um and with that, all those in favor say I. >> I. >> Pass the um on to item seven, planning business. We have one item. It is a concept plan uh for the Lost Bloom. I don't have the full name. >> Yes, Lost Bloom concept plan. >> There we go. I do have the full name. >> Thank you. Uh the concept plan under review tonight, the applicant is Lost Loon LLC and they are seeking informal council feedback before they move forward with a formal application for a cannabis cultivation facility at 20120 Arger Avenue. It is the proposed use is specifically indoor cannabis cultivation. There is no retail component and the proposed facility size is 15,000 square ft. The that they have secured is 2.12 acres. It is currently a vacant parcel. It has been vacant since it was created over 30 years ago. It is zoned light industrial and it is located within the Musa the municipal urban service area and we will be served by available utilities. It is in phase one. So this is um a part of our existing downtown area that did have a utility project about a decade ago. The surrounding uses are entirely industrial users or industrial zone properties and there is no adjacent residential uses and one key constraint that we will discuss is the uh a tributary creek I don't think I said that correctly but a creek along the west boundary um but that places much of the site within the shorland overlay district and so that does have a significant impact on the layout of the site. This is a zoomed in uh version of the site plan. And I did call out the Shorland district boundary in red. So everything west of that line is within the Shorland overlay. Everything east is falls outside of the expected overlay district. >> West is in >> west is in, east is out. >> And then the blue line is the creek to the west, which is just off of the property. >> Say that again. So the >> west of the red line >> creek is the west is I'm sorry the creek is to the west and these two blue lines is the creek >> right >> and then district is all of this west area up to the red line. >> Got it. I thank you. >> So indoor cannabis cultivation is a permitted use in the I1 district. It is subject to performance standards specifically related to security order mitigation and waste handling. The applicant did provide a narrative with some initial information as how they intend to meet those requirements and they also will have to meet the state requirements. On top of that, um the site does satisfy all required buffer distances from protected uses such as schools, daycarees, and residential treatment facilities. Uh so the zoning compliance for the use itself is not in question. It is permitted for this site. We I did identify three issues. So key the first key issue is imperous surface. The impervious surface limit for the I1 district is 70%. But the shoreland overlay district caps that at 25%. The proposed site plan uh reaches approximately 36 and a half% based on my calculations. So that would have to be confirmed by the applicants engineer as things move forward. Um but that's mostly driven by the building footprint and then the required parking and circulation area. They have a couple of options. Theoretically, they could potentially reduce the parking lot, but really that does not seem feasible. They're already proposing less uh parking stalls than what is required by code. And they do need to have some ability to circulate the site with the vehicles that would be coming in for deliver not deliveries, but for picking up the product. So, reducing the parking lot seems unlikely. They could theoretically increase the height of the building. Right now they're proposing about a 20 foot building. The allowable height in the I1 district is 45 feet. So they could added potentially another story to minimize the building footprint and potentially get it closer to that 25%. Um the other option would be a variance from the shoreland limit. um they are they do have much less impervious surface than what we would expect on a typical I1 site, but they're still not meeting that shoreland limit. So, one question for council is does a variance seem appropriate given the site's environmental constraints in the I1 context um or would they prefer a taller building? Um that might be a little out of character with the rest of the existing industrial buildings which I think are closer to that 20 25 ft. Uh building materials is another thing. They have proposed the building uh to be primarily pre-engineered metal panels with some stone. The way our ordinance is written, you uh buildings can only have up to 20% of panels. Um and that's pretty much inverse with what they're proposing. It does look like a fairly nice building. I would say that these panels are probably a little bit more higher quality than what we were anticipating when this code was written. However, um other applications more recently, we have um been more open to insulated metal panels which are a higher quality than what is currently proposed. Um so there is a couple routes. If council likes the building as proposed, it would probably could be handled as a zoning ordinance amendment to allow something like this. Or um the other option would be to confirm whether the use of insulated metal panels would be appropriate um or another allowed material under our current code. So it's a matter of preference on how to direct the applicant. The final issue is the parking reduction. The city code requires 38 parking spaces for this type of use and they are proposing 19 spaces. They are expecting 10 to 15 employees at so at any given time the maximum employees would be 15 with what they're currently expecting for the site. So 19 spaces would allow for an all staff event plus some extra spaces as well. So they would they are requesting that reduction to 19 spaces. Um the staff uh would recommend that this not get processed as a variance which is what the applicant had requested in the narrative but instead handle it as an interim use permit which is something that we do allow by code. Um, and the benefit of that is that it does allow the city to revisit this condition if operational needs change, including if another user comes in, um, that does need more parking um, you know, whether that be 20 years from now or whatever that looks like. So, uh, for council discussion, is reduced parking with an IUP acceptable given the demonstrated low demand of, um, how many employees they're expecting to the site? They are not expecting any customers to the site. Uh the only other people coming to the site then would be people picking up the product and they would be at the site very temporarily. Some additional considerations as the application moves forward. Uh a full storm water management plan will be required. A wetland delineation must be completed prior to the formal application. Um, municipal sewer and water are available at the site as said earlier, but they will have to they will be responsible for connection fees and trunkline area charges will apply. Uh, access and security. The site will be accessed via the culdeac on Augur Avenue. They are proposing a gated entry that can be allowed with public safety. Uh, they require a I think it's a Knox box. Yes, a Knox box. But that is definitely something that can be permitted and it is overall consistent with the facility security requirements. Um final a detailed lighting and landscaping plan will be required when the formal site plan is submitted. Um summary next steps. So again the proposed facility generally aligns with the I1 zoning. Um the three key issues tonight are to discuss are the impervious surface limit, building materials and the parking reduction. And council is asked to provide comments and direction to the applicant for their application. They uh the comments are non-binding but they do help the applicant in determining what they should focus on as they uh finalize their submitt. >> Thank you. Can you leave that page up? >> Yeah. Does anyone have anywhere they want to start on those three issues or the tree or the building or the slide? There we go. >> Mr. Mayor. >> Yeah. >> Natalie, can you go to the map with the shoreland overlay line on it? If I go to page 26 of 27, the overlay line, the buildings that are inside that on the properties to the south, those are acceptable because of the footprint of the building and the parking lots and stuff because the property straight to the south, the whole >> Oh, yeah. >> building and the parking lot is in the shoreline district. the next building to the south, the whole building is in it. Or are those all different type things? >> So I some of these lots and buildings have been here for quite a long time. So I'd have to look at when they got approved, if any variances were approved, >> that would be the >> Exactly. So for as far as an I1 district parcel goes, it is expected that most of it's going to have impervious surfaces for the building and the parking. So it's a bit of a contradiction >> um to have the have the Shorland overlay at 25% and then industrial at I1. And so it does make it difficult for the site to comply. So it's >> Yep. Gotcha. >> Is there a middle ground or do we want the building taller? And um I think >> you you answered it. Those are like you exactly said these this area industrial park has been around for eons and uh whatever happened there happened there. So we don't want to really compare to them. we just want to talk about what this is. So, >> I do think it's fair to consider the context of the neighborhood in terms of do we want a much taller building or would we prefer the building be more in line with what's around it um with a design that tries to minimize the impact of impervious service but maybe doesn't hit the 25% directly. >> Yeah, >> I thought a taller building would stand out more. a what >> a taller building would >> it would I 36% compared to 25 doesn't seem a lot >> for industrial >> and then the other question I had real quick and then I'll give up um >> do they have a license to grow is this happening faster with these folks than the one out on county road 10 >> if they're going through the same process they have to secure the city approvals before uh because the city has to sign off before the state can issue a also here and available for questions. >> Had a hunch it was you. >> No, those are my questions. And then recently cannabis and the law, the federal laws have changed or not changed. >> I I don't believe anything has changed to an extent that it changes what we're doing here. No. >> All right. Thanks, Jeremy. I was just going to say on the industrial comment, it is different than what else is there, but I think it would also be more of a contemporary industrial site than a lot of the others that were the small businesses that started a long time ago. Uh standards and expectations and building design was very different than I don't think you necessarily need to get it to fit with buildings that are 30 years older. I think to me I'd rather see us achieve the Charlotte overlay percentage by getting a taller structure and then having a site that isn't in violation for the next couple decades. Right? So it 20 years from now this area will probably have some level of redevelopment. It won't always look exactly the way that it does. Maybe some businesses will come together and create larger parcels for other things to come in. Um, and that's probably something beneficial to the tax base if that were to happen. So, this might be a good opportunity for us to set a new standard in this area. >> Could I ask a question, mayor, for council me? Uh, so I remember when we were first having the conversations about uh cannabis cultivation, there were concerns about conspicuous business and we wanting it to not be highlighted or identified. Would there be any concerns about this being the only two-story building? It it does feel like that would kind of highlight it so people would pay attention to the business in a way that kind of conflicts with the direction that I'd understood that we were were going previously. >> I think that was mostly if I remember conversations correctly a lot of that was because the other one was in a more residential area and here we're an industrial park. >> So to me it's less of a concern. Uh they probably want to have some advertising. I'm guessing some brand awareness at some point. Ideally, nobody knows we're there in my opinion. I'd rather not have recognition. I'd rather not be seen. Um, you know, we're >> You'd rather blend. >> Yeah. Honestly, I'd rather not draw a lot of attention to ourselves. Um, I do want to bring up something. >> Could you could you please so we can get on and state your name and address for the record? Hi, my name is Braden representing LoLC. Today, I wanted to bring up a point. Uh, one of the focuses of our business is really an environmental focus. So, we really don't want to be upsetting any districts or anything. Um, one thing we've been looking into is permeable pers and permeable asphalt be a possibility to, if acceptable to the council, lower our impermeable surface while still retaining our footprint. Um there's a lot of technology these days in both permeable pavers and permeable asphalt with an under parking lot drain system. I don't know if that would be acceptable to council but it's a technology we've been looking into um to remedy this very very fact. So I just wanted to put that out for consideration. >> I think it' be something to explore with staff. So I think in terms of our engineering standards it would still count as impervious but if the council was open to if there was an agreement that a certain percentage of it was impervious papers and that could be something we could explore to hit the 25 to hit the spirit of the 25 there is >> some preference on our part to not be taller that makes our engineering more complicated there's a lot of electrical HVAC systems are really maintaining environmental control building is our like top top priority. That's where we lose our money in both electricity costs and just heating the darn thing in the winter is going to be huge for us. >> And to me, it makes sense to try to explore some of that. While it might not change the impervious calculation, it might change actual impact of it. And if we're still low for the industrial zone, um high for the the shoreline, but low for industrial site in general, plus that it might get close to me. >> We'd love to work with >> you want to find a way that makes this >> I would I would explore that. I think that's a good idea. First of all, >> quick question with the paper stuff. Didn't we have that same kind of conversation with the winery? >> They wanted to put they wanted a grass parking lot and they it wasn't pavers. Oh, I thought it was the same kind of thing, but overlay it with grass, not st. >> It's literally what's across the street. >> Oh, you're good. >> You're good. >> Nope. >> Mr. Mayor, >> question. Okay. Um, this would be a question for our community development director. Um, I don't recall, but I know it's like industrial, but do we have architectural standards that require more like breakup of the building if it's as big as it is? >> Not in this, not not in this area. We do have that in our northeast district. And then there's certain areas of the southeast district that have that. Um, this is technically falls outside of that. So, there's this is just subject to our non-residential building standards, which is a bit smaller section of code. So, it's really just about that. um whether or not we want these panels or something of a little higher quality. Now, you could provide feedback they want something more, but I do think that they probably want to avoid a lot of windows. >> Yeah. So, >> yeah. which >> to this point as from the time we've submitted this application to now we've actually been looking a lot into our solar options and have been leaning heavily toward doing actually a concrete pre-cast building >> instead of the panels both for the higher R value and honestly in order to put the solar panels we like to put on this facility got poke a whole bunch of holes in those panels and that's another spot to lose efficiency so probably leaning in that direction right now. Sorry about the change up. >> No, but I believe that is allowable under so could potentially solve this issue right off the >> Mr. Mayor. >> Okay. Um, I guess my input would be like if we're looking at 20 years into the future and even though it is in that specific area of our code, I just feel like a big steel building or concrete building with I mean I think that looks beautiful, but I feel like it also wears over the year years and so it just isn't like as appealing and I don't know if we if we're trying to like bring that area up to make it more not so vintage maybe Maybe some additional architecture wouldn't be so bad. >> Absolutely. I can see that. Um, one of our long-term goals again sustainability is a chief like concern as far as we'd love to be doing some gardening and extensive work outside that really brightens space. >> That's a I agree with you completely. >> Yeah, I I like the concept. I I think I would support it. I I think it's a wonderful idea and I like the idea that you want to stay sort of inconspicuous. >> Absolutely. >> I like the idea of guarding and and really kind of pressing up the outside that way. And also to I think Michelle's initial point if there's maybe at if if you're looking at a different style of building as you're going that route and working with staff you know >> any ideas adding >> some articulation some some things >> even false windows f windows just something there not needing to be windows but just instead of the steel or the concrete just a >> mural >> a pretend I know murals are another thing that >> I mean we'd love to put a mural up. >> I'm curious like >> very tasteful >> shrubs and trees. >> There you go. >> Buckthorn mural. >> So it blends. >> I have some questions for you. >> Uh I I assume that this building has a ventilation system. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, is it is it true that that the ventilation system would exchange air from the inside to the outside? >> It will. >> Does marijuana have an odor? >> It does. >> Is it true that some people find that odor offensive? >> Okay. Um, I know that you said that you wanted to be in inconspicuous, but if this council um approves this project, how would you feel about us having a big sign saying welcome to Corkran, the cannabis capital of Minnesota? Would you support me in that? >> I mean, depends what you as a council want to embrace. I don't see cannabis as a negative. So, how you guys feel about how you want the direction of the city. It'd be great. Um, but in terms of smell outside the facility, it's definitely a major concern of ours. Uh, the state is currently working on sense standards um for buildings that do not have them currently posted. So, there's been many regulations in many states. It's been an issue that's come up across the country and the technology is getting way ahead of it. We're planning both carbon capture. They use carbon filters that can extract tons of scent before it even gets outside the facility. On top of that, we're talking negative pressure systems and our growing areas to prevent that air from actually escaping the facility without going through those filters. Then on top of that, the most scent intensive part process is the drying and curing phase which we are looking at doing uh within a hermetically sealed chamber. control system and this would prevent vast majority of descent from escaping the facility. So, I hope that helps answer your question. >> Yeah, it does. Thank you. I I have not had a chance to look at the city code, but I believe that there is um a prohibition of uh odor >> in our city code. >> I know that that came up on a on another matter. I think it could be under nuisance. >> I think it is under nuisance and I think the code reads something like it that it it's prohibited. >> I I that's what I thought too, Mark, with the other one out on 10. I thought there was no odor. >> Well, and it also came up with um some uh trucking warehouse and the fact that the truck >> diesel fuel smell and stuff. Yeah. international. >> So I I don't know I don't know if this is even something that can get approved because of that. >> So he as the applicant just explained they're deploying three methods to contain the smell within the building. So I don't >> and I think that's something that potentially we would get more information on as this would come back. >> Correct. So I >> I don't know that I have anything saying that there will be odor out detectable outside from the property line which is what the standard would be. So if there was something then we'd have to go through but they're already employing three methods and it sounds like the state would be potentially requiring more and a similar standard to what the city has already proposed for >> the state has standards are more happy to receive them um as we plan to do like I said we don't want to be noticed we don't want to be seen um put it this way to several council members you know we prefer our business to be like a frog can't see it No, it doesn't exist. >> Yeah, there's some really nice property in Rogers. >> I've looked at it all, but trust me. >> Okay. >> The zoning requirements for candidates are very difficult and definitely look for a very long time before selling on this property. >> I I appreciate you you coming here today. I don't support your application. >> I understand. >> Okay. >> I just wanted to pull up the what our quot specifically for cannabis users. It says adequate ventilation systems must be installed to ensure no odor is detectable from the exterior of the building or from adjacent properties. So, um again, it sounds like they have three methods that have been as far as my research and understanding of the topic from just having to dive into all of this. Those are the the top three standards I'm aware of and they're talking about employing all three of them. So it does sound like they are making a plan for that adequate ventilation that we require for cannabis business. >> Okay. So but but the code says no odor >> from the exterior of the building or from adjacent properties, not within the building. So >> yeah. Oh yeah. I don't care about the smell in the building. Yeah. >> I'm talking about when the smell from in the building is being vented to the outside >> that they have already explained that they are planning on different processes that would not have the smell. And again, I think that's something that that's a conversation for another day once we know what exactly the requirements are and what the applicant may >> one last question for you. Can you guarantee that there will be no odor outside of your building? >> I can guarantee we'll be implementing systems that are intended to prevent any order from escaping the building. >> Can I guarantee order outside the building? Yes, that's time to tell. >> Okay, fair enough. Anyone else um specifically on the building material issue or the parking reduction with uh IEP? I think the parking reduction with an IUP makes sense as opposed to variance um for the reasons Natalie stated >> if they needed to add parking spaces in 30 years because some new business is coming in. Is there space without violating the short? >> We'd have to probably either review a variance or maybe review some combination of impervious versus pvious behaviors, things like that. Um, but no, there there isn't enough room for them to have uh a parking lot that meets code plus have a building that is of sufficient size. A 15,000 square foot industrial building is relatively small in this day and age. So, I would say um you know, different user comes in has nothing to do with what is being currently proposed. Um, but it's something that would require 38 parking stalls or more. It would be a variance at that time most likely or some combination of working through the impervious surface limit. But that's would be basically what I'm trying to say is this would be a constraint with any industrial user most likely. >> So there's physical space but you would need to be creative with the permeability if you want to try to still achieve that lower charge. >> Thank you. >> Okay. But other than that, everyone can on board with IP route. >> Okay. Um, building materials, the issue of the Well, it looks like we're maybe not doing the metal panels potentially at all. >> So, maybe that's a question. >> Yeah, I think the feedback that we've heard was that more articulation of the building to kind of break up the facade. >> Um, would prefer u building materials that meet our standards, not doing a zoning awareness amendment. >> Um, so that's that's what I took. >> Perfect. Anything else that we need? >> I know we talked about Yeah. No, I think those are the three. >> Okay. >> Thank you so much for your time. I appreciate your all your comments and questions. >> Thank you. >> Okay. On to unfinished business. 8A uh yard uh yard waste survey results. >> Thank you, Mayor and Council. I just had my AI train workshop training today, so my presentation is not as fancy. co-opition going on. >> That was also from the training. So, >> no, mine wasn't in the training. So, it's not stuff. >> Why are you not cooperating? >> I was not an AI training today. >> Yes. >> Just courtesy of the previous You can leave if you'd like. >> You're welcome, Mr. David, no offense if no offense will be taken if you if you leave. >> My heart go down. >> Appreciate you. >> Fine. >> While Jay's looking, can I ask one more question? >> Sure. >> Just are you working on any other place in the Twin City area or outside? Okay. >> All right. >> I drove down the road from here. >> I love this area. I want to be here. >> Okay. It's a family business. >> Gotcha. Thank you. >> It's really weird. I know. >> You brush up on your >> tat >> lessons or anything? Can you do a little dig or something? Just >> trying to trying to uh just making >> just trying to kill time. Yeah, the capital today. My watch kept going like, "Dude, your heart rate is way too up." Like testifying. It's like, "Your heart rate's been over 140 beats per minute while sitting." >> Uhoh. Yikes. >> Loosen this up. Yeah. >> They threw us some curve balls. So, we were supposed to be number 12 in the shoot in I can't. You had it. You had it. You had it. >> Yeah, but it's not. Something happened with my screen. So, >> sorry. >> You know, Kevin is AI trained. >> Well, he's partially this morning. This was done last week. >> Uh, something happened with the setting so that it's it's not coming off my screen. I don't know why. So, Uh Kevin can keep talking while I'm trying to figure this out. So, >> all right. >> We do have the packet in front of >> us. And there's >> All right. All right. Uh if you got council members, if you recall back uh in October, last October, we had a resident come to open forum and kind of spoke on the topic of yard waste management. And uh an outcome of that was really to conduct a survey in our community to gauge interest. Um staff evaluated some options around the city, went and visited some, you know, vendors nearby that that could possibly serve in yard waste management services and really put out a survey in February uh of this year that was uh distributed on the website through social media to raise awareness. Um we did get 66 responses. Um there's a there's like a location map there that actually looks very representative of the city. pretty surprised at that. Um, so I think we got a good representative sample. I just wanted to note that eight of those addresses, eight of those surveys did not show up on our address because they they typed it in and didn't match up with Henip County GIS. So they did count in the survey. So if someone's looking and they don't see a dot on their map, there's eight of them that did not get a dot, but they are still part of the 66. So they are represented in ger race. So just a point of clarification there. uh kind of first slide here just how how concerned are you about managing yard waste really the takeaway for me and again this is an open conversation so any feedback or direction that's what we're really looking for here is a dialogue the takeaway for me is roughly twothirds of our community is at least somewhat concerned about yard waste um next slide the question was really what is the primary concern related to yard waste is it it was kind spread out. It was cost, convenience of disposal, no concerns, or lack of disposal options. That one is probably inconclusive, but it just shows that it's a variation of reasons that people are looking for service assistance. Um, I will note at the bottom of the slide are the other answers. So, the other responses are listed below. Um, for that 6%. Next question. with how do you currently manage your yard waste? Um really the theme there it's a you know kind of a variety. Uh a third of the community or respondents said on my property or compost. Uh a quarter said use another yard waste in another city. Um 4% said they use a you know one of our licensed trash haulers because some of them do offer services. That's a low number. We'll get to maybe speculation on why that is in future slides. Um 15% stored on their property which isn't unexpected in the rural areas of Corkran. Um other might be burn permit or something like that. So again those responses are also listed below for the other category. Next slide really touched on how much do you uh spend per year currently? How much do you spend per year on yard waste? Uh 60% said zero. So that's either people that don't need it or they do it in a cost-effective way like we managing on their own property. >> Okay. We would be one more slide probably one more that's one I was just speaking to. Thank you Jay. So move to the next slide. Next question was, would you support a levy increase to help subsidize a yardway service? And 78% of the respondents said no. That was a pretty strong ratio. Next question was how do you or how should yard waste disposal service be funded? And this is just based on what other communities do and what options out there on the market. So when we had this, we kind of tried to collect as much day as we could and it was really user fee was uh was at 66% which coincides with the previous questions about the subsidy. Um there was a small percentage there that had you know maybe some partial tax support there at a at a smaller level. Next question was how much would you be willing to pay for a yardway service? I found this to be a pretty intriguing question. It's really evident that at least currently for these respondents, $100 was a pretty hard stop annually to achieve that service. Um, a couple people pushed up to 200 and there was no interest above $200 a year. Um, and we can get to the kind of the summaries later, but at a $100 price point, that's pretty challenging to service that either through another vendor. Um, you almost have to use your site to do that. I believe our haulers are um I think they're closer to a $200 price point through our hauling services. >> Next question was, what type of payment structure would you prefer if a yard site were offered? Um just information on this one. I don't know if there's real takeaways at this point. If the city partnered with a neighboring business to offer access to a yardway site, how far would you be willing to drive to utilize the service? This is important as we look to site some facility. What is the interest? How do we generate demand? Um and and really 50% uh of the folks respondents wanted it within five miles. it jumped up to, you know, so only 30% of the respondents would travel six to 10 miles. So if you think about that, what does that mean? I mean, Corkran's roughly five, six miles. So, if you're really talking about not leaving Corkran or if you're looking at the eastern, you know, newer part of Corkran with smaller lots that might have more challenges here dealing with yard waste, your options are pretty limited because those services are probably closing or ending sooner as you go east. So, that is a little bit concerning when we look to site is that the demand really at least initially is that they don't want to leave Corkran. So, that means we have to probably site something in Corkran instead of potentially just again that could vary and change over time as there's more pressure but it's a little data point there is that people don't want to drive too far as well. So in summary, uh, and we're what we're here to take your feedback as well, but staff's interpretation of the survey is is just really there is not a demand that we can afford, right? The demand out there is not affordable at the $100 price point uh, from our perspective. So we really want to just educate our residents on what options they do have. So if they if they're not aware of their options and make sure they are aware of the current options, that that trigger of not wanting to subsidize was pretty pretty strong. So making sure they know how they can manage it appropriately on their own property, making sure they understand the burn permit process. Um making sure that they are aware that some licensed haulers do carry that option. I don't believe all of them, but some do. So if it's a priority for them, they could look at that. Um and then just, you know, they could still go to another facility in neighboring communities, they just have to pay on a user basis, which um which if you're using it a lot, the cost goes up. But that's kind of that's kind of what the survey from staff we said is like the users pay for it. So if you have the need, you pay for it. So it's really going to be hard to subsidize a program at $100 a user from staff's perspective or to not subsidize a program at $100 a user. What that means is we have to monitor the the u the the growth of that concern. Right? So we do anticipate as our newer neighborhoods mature, the trees get larger, there's more leaves, there's more wind events that lose branches there. As we get as some of those neighborhoods mature, we do anticipate higher demand. It's just not there today. So just monitoring, be aware. We want to be aware of what's happening in the market around us. If there's opportunities to have conversations with neighbors or current land owners through the PL planning process, we want to just keep all options open. This data will help us understand some of those points of where to start conversations. Um, but really it's education, just kind of listening and then recognizing when we think there's an opportunity to have a conversation. So, no real actions recommended other than publishing this survey and the newsletter on the website and then making sure some of those things are highlighted from an educational standpoint. With that, I would open it up to any comments or questions from the council. >> Any questions? >> And I want to thank Lauren who led most of this and then also Aaron with communications and Alicia. So, I'm just she was on out of town so otherwise she would have been here to present. So, >> okay. Mr. Mayor, can I ask just can I ask you one quick question? Is there any programs through Henipin County that might have some sort of like composting bins that we could look at? Maybe doing a program, a small program or something that you can just make a um residents aware of. >> We can we can I mean there's resources out there that we're generally aware of the wershed. We can make sure we kind of highlight that. We try to through the newsletter. Um it really depends on composting a small scale that might work. If you're talking depends on what yard waist issue you're talking about. If there's >> branches that's going to be difficult, but it's so it's kind of >> people if they have questions they can come in and ask me try to direct resources. >> Yeah. Like maybe even how to build your own compost site with like old I know I I have a neighbor who built one with like the the wooden planks or I'm not what sure they're called. They're like the wooden things that used to be up on the corner where you could get them for free. And they basically built three sides, two of them next to each other, and then they would just transfer leaves and sticks back and forth between the two. >> Yeah, I like going environmental has different services where they educate people on managing different things. So, like I said, if folks have questions, we'll probably direct them to other entities that have potential um >> Yeah, that would be great. just had the information like in a newsletter or something like, "Hey, contact Henipin County for residential grants for building a compost bin or something." >> Sure. >> Yeah. >> One of the things that I thought was really helpful for me is uh Kevin and I were talking through the data on this is um it is I think a bigger concern. That's one of my takeaways than I realized. Uh I I think uh candidly since we hadn't heard from a lot of people, we were thinking that it wasn't as big a concern. Uh but with that concern, there's not an appetite to pay for it on their taxes. Uh and so that that really what that communicates is it's not yet a city problem. >> Uh but to Kevin's point, we need to continue to pay attention to it in order to be prepared to address that concern with a city solution when the time is right. It's just not right yet. >> Agreed. Mr. Mayor. >> Yes. >> I think a year or two years ago, we had a somebody on the western southwestern corner of the of Corkran wanted to open a compost site. And this group up here said, "We are in a storage facility. We are in a compost site for the rest of the area." That's kind of toning it down from what John Bottom said. So um but we did have somebody interested and if you want to know those people's names I can give them to you if you don't remember that Kevin. So >> yeah conversation I mean that's what I was alluding to is there could be some market plan or you know market pressure that comes to some sort of solution. We we want to keep all options open but we know >> you recall those that remember the properties and there was a couple maybe concept plans that came through. Um but that's really that'll have to come through that process, you know. But >> I think I think depending on what happens around us and when uh it's a need that's going to be growing to Jay's point. Yeah. >> Uh and so we just have to understand I think this does give us a flavor for it gives us more data than we had. >> Um quite frankly I didn't even know that we could do this type of survey in the city and so this was a good trial run for us. So if there's I don't want to we're not sure on but there other priorities like I think we >> we now have a a better system and process to push these out faster. So it's just a a growing area to collect data that's maybe an underlying issue. >> I I think be before I to build on that uh that's a positive outcome of having a communications department >> right >> uh and so we didn't previously have that full-time capacity. we would not have the ability to do that. But for the fact that council supported us increasing that capacity in order to develop this type of service, I think one thing to keep in mind with surveys like this, you're going to preferentially hear from the people who see whatever the topic is as a major issue versus from those who don't feel it's as important because they won't be as motivated to fill out the survey. Is there a way within that communications expertise to develop a model or way to understand if we get 3% of the city responds to a survey? What does that imply about the whole city allowing for that bias? >> So, if I could respond to that, that's part of the reason why we hired professionals for a civic campus because because the calculus of that is so >> it it requires a professional to do the analysis. we don't have that capacity. Uh as far as this particular survey, uh we were very intentional about trying to raise awareness of it. So it was mentioned in the quarterly newsletter. It was mentioned in each of the the monthly newsletters. We tried to ensure that everybody was aware of it as a topic of conversation. So it wasn't a just it hit my inbox and I didn't even know what it was about and I dismissed it. And so I do feel like in terms of the feedback and then when you look at the breakdown of the demographic uh it being all across the city I think that would be demonstrative of achieving our goal. It wasn't just what I thought might happen just those who were facing this in the in the developing community neighborhoods. Then is there any information or conversation about the compost site in Maple Grove? I hear things that someday it's going to go away soon. There's no conversation about that now. >> Yeah, I can't it's hard to speak for another property owner, another city. Um I mean we did we did go meet with them to understand their process to help us ask the right questions and >> so we did kind of evaluate the options and and talk to neighbors about how they handle it. And that was kind of the basis for why we asked certain questions. So, um, beyond that, we can't speak for what's going to happen with this. >> And there's been conversation from our residents. Well, Maple Grove has one and it's free to Maple Grove residents. Yes, it is. I mean, that's what I say. Otherwise, you're going to have to pay compost yourself. So, this is a lot of good information, a lot of good work. You guys, >> thank you. >> Thank you. >> All righty. Okay, we'll go on to 8B, uh, which is just a resolution, uh, let me see here. Do we have it on here? Resolution 202627 to contact what city official? Um, and J, do you want to >> uh I'm trying to bring it up on the screen and it's not cooperating. So, uh, mayor and council, uh, what, uh, what the resolution is is it's cleaning up what we were talking about earlier in terms of a an initiative. at the direction of council on January 8th. We'd identified some concerns uh and we took action to resolve those concerns. Uh I got um advice uh from our city attorney in terms of how to navigate that because as we were looking at how to solve the problem. Uh we have some council members that have the ability to help us solve that problem. And so how could we legally navigate that uh in collaborating with their businesses? What this resolution does is it is it uh we we were able to navigate that. This completes the paperwork. So now that we can do the payment. Uh so um for those who are watching uh this was a a really great partnership in which uh for uh just cost we were able to work with Timco Construction. Uh but we have to disclose that that uh the mayor is a is a part owner in that and that can generate a conflict of interest. But there are exceptions to navigate that conflict of interest. Uh that that is in Minnesota statute 471.89 specifically as it relates to certain types of uh well how how you do the business. And so sometimes you'd have to go out for bid because the value of this one it was less than $4,000. It was $3,89122. Uh so it wasn't a large dollar value. But nonetheless, we still have to do some paperwork to ensure that we are meeting the requirements of the statute. Uh, and the resolution is one of those. The mayor can't talk about this since it was his business. He has to he can't uh discuss it. So, this would be for the other four members of the council. >> Well, I I would like to make a motion to approve resolution 2026-27 to um enable staff to process that payment. >> I'll second. >> Motion and second. Could I make one quick comment really really quick? I just I I would like to thank everybody who helped get the window secure and in place because it's been at least 10 years since we've been trying to get this process done and I think it's a really great feature and safety um concerns for our front office people. So I'm thank you for for providing that for our city >> collaboratively internally that's not obvious uh to council. we were able to take three other initiatives in order to ensure safety of the staff that are working at the front desk. I don't want to talk about those in public. Uh but um I I think that staff would agree that it's a much better situation and they feel much more comfortable working in that space. So this was just one of of a multi-step process in order to ensure that staff feel safer. >> Okay, we had a motion in a second. Any other discussion? um me >> um being a supplier. Is there issues on me voting on this? >> Nope. Not the way that it happened. >> Okay. And again, if I may, before we take a vote, I want to thank that company that did it and then my company that made tremendous efforts to reduce the cost so much. We got this way cheaper than anybody else could have done. So, I want to compliment compliment the organization that took care of this and I want to make sure everybody knows and understands that some of this the supplies came from my business. So, thank you. >> All right. Thank you. And with that, uh, I will go ahead and call the vote. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> All opposed? Nay. >> And I am >> No, you have to. Yep. >> There was no nay. I thought he said nay, but I think you were just say nay. >> Yeah. >> No, I said all. If you're voting >> after post. So, you did abstain. I did abstain. >> Yes. >> Are we good, John? >> We're good. >> All right. >> Okay. Awesome. Then on to just I believe one more item. Uh new business planning commissioner appointment. Okay. Let's see here. Um, so we had six six candidates, which was a lot. I think it's the most we've had for a planning or parks commission. Mo, at least the most in a long time. Um, Michelle and I and Karen, uh, Chair Breman all uh, met or had phone interviews with all the candidates last week. My my weeks are blurring together, but last weekday >> and uh, had some really good discussion, really good candidates. um was it's a good problem to have. Uh in fact, we ended up calling it for the night and sitting on it for a few days and having a follow-up call to figure out exactly who we wanted to go with. And after a lot of discussion, we decided um to nominate Aiden Sherber for the vacancy on the planning commission. Um again, a lot of everyone brought different kind of skill set and background. Um Aiden after a lot of discussion stood out and think be the right thing if you had anything you wanted to add. >> Um I would just add that we we did about a half an hour interview with each of the candidates and we had some wonderful options. I mean all of them >> had different aspects that they could bring to the planning commission. Um, we tried to zero in on what the needs were of the planning commission and what we thought would be um, not just a good fit, but that would would offer some additional growth for the planning commission and and just different perspectives. >> Absolutely. >> Yeah. Any questions on that? Otherwise, I will entertain a motion to approve resolution 2026 26. So moved >> um to uh to appoint Aiden to county commission term ending February 28th. >> Jeremy seconded by Lerman. Any discussion? >> Real quick. >> Um one of the applicants is here. >> I I respect Randy an awful lot. The other applicants that were there. Please stay engaged. Please may be more opportunities. There will be more opportunities. Who knows what's happens in this and uh >> well I know >> there was there was one on the earlier on the consent agenda item J. We need volunteers in this city and thank you for all your service and such, Randy. But, uh, your your uh your choice was a good one, >> but I don't think you could have picked >> a bad one. >> A bad one out of I think in the in the conversations we had, we at different points could have gone with six different people. Like we had >> really good arguments for why this person and then we go on to the next person like, "Okay, I want to make sure." So they're all good there and we had to go back and kind of really pick through and try to find >> and just to recognize Ry's been here significant >> was a long >> significant number of our council meetings and the planning commission meetings and such. So I thank him for his involvement and such. >> Thank you >> for sure. So >> that's all I have to say. >> Well said and yeah please stay engaged because other vacancies are uh up now and will always come up and I've said it before. I'll say it again. That's a way better problem to have too many good qualified people want to do stuff than the opposite problem. So, >> have we voiced to these applicants that we have charter commission vacancies? >> We should. >> I think some know. I don't know if I'll know. >> That's an excellent point. I'm not sure that that's happened. >> And then have we replied to all the other fives on who was chosen? And >> I believe Commissioner Brum is doing that. >> Wait till the night. Y so it should be starting the next day or so. >> Okay. >> But I believe we had is it five charter commission vacancies potentially? We we resized if we were considering changing >> two. So that's parks and trails open right now. >> Charter commission meets once a year. >> Yep. Parks and >> minimum once a year. >> Well, that's true. >> It'll be twice this year. >> And parks meets once a month. >> Twice. We were going to do a follow-up meeting, remember? Once we got back to quorum. >> Oh. >> To talk about additional changes. >> Okay. >> Um, so wait, we had the vote in the motion in the second, right? Yep. >> Okay. Any other discussion on? >> All those in favor say I. >> I. I. >> Okay. >> And with that, >> on the staff reports, >> uh, mayor and council, just a couple things. Uh yesterday we had our quarterly staff lunchon. Uh that was fantastic. Uh getting some information out but also just having some good fellowship in here. >> Uh one of the things that happened during that too is we had film crew film crews on site all day yesterday uh doing b-roll footage and interviews. So during the survey it mentioned the video that we'll be uh people will be guided to. Uh it'll be a 90 second video that will include all that. uh Mayor McKe uh write a script that will be the backdrop for that uh as well as some video, but a lot of B-roll footage around the community. That's the first of the videos uh that we're putting together in collaboration with Krauss Anderson. Uh that's that's under their support for our marketing. They've been doing the public engagement. This falls under public engagement. I just want to say thank you for that. the capacity and and the insights that they brought to the table uh has has helped us raise the bar in terms of us being able to connect and communicate with the community. Uh, so yesterday was a full day of filming and then today they came back and caught some footage of our police officers having to work in because it was a training training site today. uh in within their constraints because we we can say it, but it communicates a lot differently when people see what what that actually means for have to pull the the car out of the garage and put the mats on the floor in order to do your your handtohand training >> uh on the garage floor on mats uh and that sort of thing. Uh today, um 12 of our staff were able to do AI training. So, I did AI certification if recall St. Thomas. Uh we are able to get that instructor from St. Thomas University to come out here and instruct our staff at a significantly reduced rate. Uh and the initial uh impact is uh you saw a slide presentation uh as a result of some of that training today. Um the hope is that we'll continue to improve uh with appropriate cautions to become more efficient and effective in how we communicate and deliver our products. Um, one of the byproducts of that training is, uh, you should expect to see in in the weeks or months ahead, we need to develop an AI policy so that we're really clear on how and what we do and what our concerns are. And so, you should be able to expect that in the future. Lastly, uh, Chief Godshock, Mayor McKe and I were, uh, up at the cap today to testify on our bill. Um it looked from looking at the roster that our bill was perhaps the only public safety bill and so that was distinct. Uh Mayor McKe and Chief Gotchock are the ones who testified on our behalf. But in reading the room at the at the at the committee uh the capital investment committee uh I saw a lot of really positive non-verbal feedback that that made me feel more encouraged than I was as we were driving up to the capital. Uh so um the I think the tipping point will really be whether or not a bonding bill is passed this session, but should a bonding bill be passed, I felt pretty encouraged today that we should get something. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, I agree. Um I don't think anyone knows that for sure. What there was a lot of votes today. I spent the whole day at the capital and a lot of committees that took two hours to get to, you know, five bills that they voted and split seven seven on and nothing passed. So, I don't know if anyone knows exactly what's going to pass us here at the legislature, but if anything, probably a bonding bill. Um, and hopefully, yeah, I agree. Good job at that. >> And we got one other >> one more update. So, um, Mr. Mayor, city council in looking at our plate for the year. Uh we have incredible work to do with the civic campus. We are also in the process of our economic development strategic plan and community development is also working on a park's action plan. Our plate is full. And so with that knowledge, we are recommending that the 2050 comp plan initiative really be um something that we pursue in 2027. We think that it would that aligns with staff capacity as well as community capacity uh with all these different initiatives because we want to have engagement for all of these um and adding a fourth large ticket item to that doesn't seem practical at this time. And and as Natalie and I talked about, one of the things that I would add is as you're watching the legislature, I mean, we did have an item today with the Starter Homes Act response. Uh we have another session that will happen later this year. And so uh with potential legislation changes, Met Council kind of not being uh firmly grounded on exactly some of the expectations. That's how I'd communicate it. uh it seems prudent for us to rather than spend money now uh wait and and focus that until 2027. >> Political reality is regardless of who wins governor a lot of those people on that council or if it's a Republican likely all of them will be changed. If it's a Democrat likely most of them will still be changed whether it's Clolobashar or whoever. Um, so I think it does make a little bit of sense to hold off till we see what policy direction they need going with the new people. >> Natal Natalie, what do you need from us? Do you need a motion or just a nod of the head and say, "Yeah, get it." >> Yeah, I just need your blessing and understanding that there have been talks about trying to kick it off later this year and that's been determined not practical. >> That's fine. And your experience, >> we've been blessed. >> Your experiences, the two years, we thought two years to do it. >> We're still ahead of the curve. way ahead >> way ahead of the curve doing it next year. All right. >> The work with the economic development plan is a good foundation. We're already doing that work. Bless >> and same with the park action plan too. I think some it'll help us with some of the more immediate uh planning that I think all of what we're doing will lead into the comp plan. Uh it's just actually starting the comp plan discussion uh with the with the community and trying to actually dive into some of the details from the council. That's just >> updates to the newsletter. speaking of a new schedule and such and possibly, you know what I mean? I mean, I I know people that have been wanting to jump on that and start the discussion and stuff. Just if there's a way you could communicate that out in the newsletter stating that we are, hey everybody, we are we aren't delaying it. We are just >> this is the plan. >> This is a plan. We are going to start the comp plan discussion in 2027. >> Yeah. >> That's all I not the money that's coming from. >> I am keeping an eye on that. I just emailed our staff representative at the council. So, she said nothing had been finalized quite yet and hadn't missed anything because I was worried I'd missed something. >> No, I don't think you missed. I think they have to send it out, but I think it has been finalized. >> Oh, no. I'm sorry. It's been But they said there more information would be provided including like a application and that hasn't been provided. So, um yeah. So all that to say I am keeping >> sounds good. If you need help, let me know. I can raise on there more than that. >> I don't think we have any other staff updates from >> Okay. Anything from council as Jay kind of mentioned uh testified this morning. Matt did a great job. I think I did okay. Um and uh then spent the day down at the capital as well. So that was an interesting uh view into the the process there. tried to pitch our bill to as many people as I could, so hopefully that helped. >> Did you uh pick out an office yet? >> I've heard I'll be uh lucky to get a a a nice cubicle. So, >> um but yeah, so other than that, any other council reports? >> Um give me try to get this done in four minutes. Um thanks from the Bersfield School folks. The appreciation lunchon was Saturday. Um, I'll yell out, "We need volunteers. They need volunteers." The youngest person there wasn't much younger than me. So, we need they need help for volunteering. So, that's all I'll talk about. >> They're partnering with um the New Horizons Daycare. I got them together. >> You got them going? I'm working on a couple other schools, too, to maybe adopt cleanup days or go and talk to them and see what's going on. and and Three Rivers Park District were able to get them in order to try and do some activities this summer. >> Um Hanover Fire March 29th pancake breakfast be there. >> West Suburban pancake breakfast April 12th before and after Christmas be there. Um thanks from the Lions. >> Did you mean Christmas? >> Easter. Did I say Christmas? >> It's been a long day for me. I apologize. So, my question is, are you going to show up at the pancake breakfast with your Santa? >> No, I'll I'll be incognito. >> I'm sorry. >> That's okay. >> Thanks. I'm trying to get this done in four minutes. Would you leave me alone? Um, thanks from the Lions on the flags. That's huge. One piece of information there. Those new flags will be flying Easter >> Saturday for the Easter egg hunt, which begins at 10:00. gates close at 9:50. It is chaos. So, if you're going, go early. They may need help setting up and stuff. So, um that is at the Lions Park. Um and that's being put on by the Northwest area JC's as usual. Um and then I've asked this a couple of times. I'm going to ask one more time. I'd really like the northwest corner of Basslike Road and Brockton Lane cleaned up. New Horizons, the new building that's going up. The winner has collapsed the weeds and the sil fence is still there. I've been told it was removed. >> Um the developer that developed all those own um has finally taken down all their flags, but there's still a sign up for Cook Lake Highlands villas and those kind of things up. It'd be nice if that would go away. Um I've reached out to the realtor and they said that's not theirs. That is the easement. So, it's a county easement, but I'm pretty sure the county didn't put the silt tent stakes in and the in the mess that's underneath all of the weeds. So, I'm done. >> Thanks for listening. >> That was three minutes. >> Oh, wow. >> They're on the calendar. >> All it's cool. >> Okay. Other than that, our next meeting is the uh 9th >> with the work session at 5:30. >> Perfect. Um, and then our next open house is end of the month, right? 28th. >> 28th, of course, when I'm out of town. >> Mr. Mayor and Mr. Tobin, I responded, I think, Jay, to your email about going to the Plymouth event in the mayor's place. If you guys have talking points you'd like me to use, um, yeah, I don't know. >> When I when I read the email, it's >> I didn't see anything other than the notification. I'll keep you posted. What What is There was an email that >> I forwarded everything I had >> was attached to yours. There's a there's a point of questions, those kind of things. I'll do my best to answer questions, but then there's a twominut summary for the mayor that's there. >> If you want to give me a call ahead of it and we can >> highlighting what's happened this last year, my highlights would be the water tower, the water treatment. It might be really easy to put together a script for the I94 West Chamber event. Uh we won't need all of it, but you could definitely extract from that. >> Let me know. I can pull stuff. >> You want to send that to them and talk smartly for >> We'll send that to you and you can use that as a starting point and then give me a call. We'll brainstorm from there. >> Sounds good. Thank you. >> Other than that, anything else? >> Yes. One more. I already asked I'm sorry. I still got a couple minutes. I asked Jay to tell the mayor with everything that could happen this next year, I'd really like to know what the mayor is doing besides being a mayor of our city, other things he's doing, those kind of things. I think us as a council should burden some of those events and those kind of things. And I I think I talked to you or had that conversation with you on Saturday, too, Mr. Mayor, of >> what all are you doing? What are some things we could be doing? Um I know I know with the planning commission I still go to them even though we stopped have sending on to planning or planning parks and those kind of things but >> I think there's more things that we can do to get involved and take some of the stuff off your plate even if you may be stay mayor. So that's what I think >> I'll keep you posted. Um some of the trickiness of it is it's not necessarily like a scheduled craziness. It's just kind of craziness, but I I I really appreciate that. I'll keep you guys posted. >> Appreciate what you do, sir. >> Thank you. Likewise. >> All righty. With that motion to adjurnn. Second. >> You get to pick. I I >> I