SGLNG GOOD EVENING, . >>COUN. BASSAN: THIS IS THE 27th MEETING OF THE 26th COUNCIL. ALL COUNCILORS ARE PRESENT. WE'RE GOING TO START WITH A MOMENT OF SILENCE, THEN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE IN ENGLISH AND THEN IN SPANISH. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. YOU CAN OBTAIN A PARKING PASS FROM COUNCIL STAFF, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CITY STAFF AND THE MEAD YOU CAN VIEW THIS THROUGH GOVTV, YOUTUBE, AND ZOOM. THE LIVE STREAMS CAN BE ACCESSED FROM SMART TONES AND TBLETS AND COMPUTERS. YOU MAY ENABLE THE CLOSED CAPTION SERVICE AT THIS TIME. THE VIDEO RECORDING OF THIS AND ALL PAST COUNCIL MEETING WILL REMAIN AVAILABLE ON THE CITY COUNCIL WEBSITE. COUNCIL STAFF IS AVAILABLE IF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC NEED HELP FINDING THEM ONLINE, CALL 505-768-3100 FOR ASSISTANCE DURING BUSINESS HOURS MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, 8 A.M. TO 5 P.M. THE COUNCIL WILL TAKE A BREAK AT 7 P.M. IF NEEDED. WE WANT TONIGHT'S PROCEEDING TO BE AS CIVIL AS POSSIBLE. NO PERSONAL ATTACKS OR APPLAUSE OR SNAPPING DURING THE MEETING. THE MEETING WILL GO A LOT SMOOTHER IF WE ALL GET ALONG. WE'RE GOING TO START WITH PROCLAMATIONS AND PRESENTATIONS. COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. LET'S SEE. TONIGHT, WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING ALBUQUERQUE PUBLIC SCHOOLS SELFLESS SENIORS. DR. GABRIELLA BLAKY, AND SHANNON BARNHILL ARE HERE TO ACCEPT. IS AND -- WE HAVE A FEW RECIPIENTS AS WELL. PLEASE COME DOWN TO THE PODIUM. I DON'T SEE DR. BLAKY, SHE MUST HAVE GOTTEN -- I'M SO GLAD TO SEE YOU ALL. I'M VERY PROUD OF YOU ALL. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THIS EVENING. OKAY, TODAY WHEREAS, APRIL -- ALBUQUERQUE PUBLIC SCHOOLS ESTABLISHED THE SELFLESS SENIOR PROGRAM TO PROIZ STUDENT WHOSE QUIETLY CONTRIBUTE TO THE COMMUNITY THROUGH SELFLESS ACTS THAT DO NOT EARN LOT OF FANFARE OR RECOGNITION. AND WHEREAS, ALBUQUERQUE PUBLIC SCHOOLS EDUCATION FOUNDATION HAS PARTNERED WITH FRANK FROST ON THIS INITIATIVE FOR THE LAST 17 YEARS. TO RECOGNIZE AND CELEBRATE THESE STUDENTS FOR THEIR DEDICATION TO THEIR SCHOOLS AND THEIR COMMITMENT TO SERVING OTHERS. AND WHEREAS, STUDENTS ARE NOMINATED BY FRIENDS, SCHOOL STAFF, FAMILIES OR COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND MOST HAVE NEVER BEEN PUBLICLY THANKS OR PRAISED FOR THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE COMMUNITY. WHEREAS, THE YOUNG PEOPLE CHOSEN FOR THE CLASS OF 2025 REPRESENTS THE BEST OF OUR CITY AND OUR HOPE FOR A BRIGHT FUTURE. THEY ARE FROM ALBUQUERQUE HIGH SCHOOL, CAYLEE SHELTEN. FROM ATRISCO HERITAGE. RYAN RAMIREZ. JASMINE MONTOYA. FROM HIGHLAND -- CLAY -- AND MADE ESPINOZA. AND FROM NEW FUTURES, AMARI SULLIVAN. I PROBABLY BUTCHERED THAT. FROM NEXT GEN, DANNY F. AND FROM VALLEY HIGH SCHOOL, UNLEASHA PADILLA. AND FROM VOLCANO VISTA, CAYLEN MONTOYA, AND FROM WEST MESA, NOAH CHAVEZ. BE IT PROCLAIMED THE COUNCIL RECOGNIZES THE ALBUQUERQUE PUBLIC SCHOOLS EDUCATION FOUNDATION CLASS OF 2025 SENIORS AND THANKS THEM FOR THEIR SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU, ALL. [ APPLAUSE ]. MS. BARNHILL, COULD YOU TALK ABOUT THESE KIDS AND WHAT YOU DO AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING. AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE YOU COME BY AND SHAKE EVERYBODY'S HANDS. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH, COUNCILOR GROUT. COUNCILOR BASSAN. AND FELLOW COUNCILORS AND CITIZENS, I'M HONORED TO BE HERE TO RECOGNIZE THESE AMAZING, INCREDIBLE SOON-TO-BE GRADUATES. I KNOW 17 YEARS AGO WHEN FRANK FROST CAME UP WITH THIS IDEA, HE WAS THINKING IT'S TIME TO SHOW THE COMMUNITY ABOUT OUR STUDENTS AND HOW THEY'RE IMPACTING THE COMMUNITY THROUGH SELFLESS ACTS. AND THEY'RE NOT THE QUARTERBACK OF THE FOOTBALL TEAM OR THE VALEDICTORIANS. THESE ARE INDIVIDUALS MAKING A DIFFERENCE WITH THEIR FELLOW CLASSMATES. I WANTED TO ALSO SAY THAT WE APPLAUD THE FAMILIES FOR RAISING SUCH AMAZING YOUNG PEOPLE HERE TODAY. I'M ALSO HERE WITH ONE OF OUR STUDENT BOARD MEMBERS THAT SITS ON THE FOUNDATION BOARD WITH 30 COMMUNITY AND BUSINESS BOARD MEMBERS. HE HAS A LITTLE BIT TO SAY ABOUT THIS. HENRY NEWCOMB. >> I JUST WANTED TO SAY THE SELFLESS SENIORS HAVE GIVEN BACK TO THEIR COMMUNITIES AND I HAVE WITNESSED IT MYSELF, PARTICIPATING WITH MANY OF THEM. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THEY REPRESENT THE GREATER SCHOOL COMMUNITY, INSPIRING ACTS OF SELFLESSNESS THEY HAVE COMMITTED WITHIN US. THE UNDERCLASSMAN, MIDDLE SCHOOLERS, AND ELEMENTARY SCHOOLERS. NOW, BECAUSE OF THIS PROCLAMATION, THEY REPRESENT THE GENEROUS SPIRIT OF THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE AND INSPIRE ACTS OF SELFLESSNESS. AND THEY INSPIRE US TO GIVE TO THOSE IN NEED, CHAMPION IMPORTANT CAUSE, GIVE VOICE TO THE VOICELESS, AND MAKE OUR CITY A BETTER PLACE FOR ALL. THANK YOU. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. [ APPLAUSE ]. >>COUN. GROUT: DR. BLAKEY IS HERE. >> SHE IS HERE. WE'RE EXCITED SHE IS. WE WOULD BE GLAD TO ACCEPT THIS HONOR. AS YOU CAN TELL, THEY'RE SELFLESS. SO THEY'RE QUIET, THEY'RE SHY. BUT WE APPRECIATE EVERY BIT OF THEM AND WHAT THEY BRING TO OUR STUDENTS. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. IF THIS GENTLEMAN IS AN EXAMPLE OF ALL OF THE PEOPLE, YOU GUYS CHOSE WELL. THANK YOU. [ APPLAUSE ]. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF YOU COULD MAYBE -- >>COUN. BASSAN: HANG ON ONE SECOND. HANG ON ONE SECOND. LET'S HEAR FROM THE COUNCILORS, REAL QUICK. >>COUN. ROGERS: I JUST WANTED TO SAY HI TO THE STUDENTS THAT WORKED WITH HE ON THE MAYOR'S YOUTH COUNCIL. AND THEY DID A LOT OF WORK WITH US. JUST SO EXCITED TO SEE YOU HERE. >>COUN. BASSAN: AWESOME. NOW, COME ON THROUGH AND CONGRATULATIONS. WELL DONE. >>COUN. BASSAN: OKAY. CONGRATULATIONS TO THOSE SELFLESS SENIORS. ANYBODY WHO IS REMAINING STANDING IN THE CHAMBERS DUE TO FIRE CODE RESTRICTION AND ALL THE OTHER RULES IN PLACE THAT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT, PLEASE FIND A SEAT. COUNCILOR GROUT, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND -- IS IT OKAY IF I CALL DOWN FROM HR FOR THE PRESENTATION THAT'S NEXT? OKAY. I'M GOING TO CALL THEM DOWN TO GET STARTED, IF THAT'S OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO, MOVING ON, WE HAVE A PRESENTATION. THIS IS REQUESTED BY COUNCILOR GROUT. AND THIS PRESENTATION IS FROM MR. STOKER, DIRECTOR OF THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT. HE WILL PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON EMPLOYEE ANTI-HUMAN TRAFFICKING TRAINING. WELCOME. I KNOW THAT COUNCILOR GROUT IS GOING TO HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS. WE'RE GOING TO LET HER DELIVER THAT. YOU CAN BEGIN. THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. AS YOU SAID, I'VE BEEN ASKED TO GIVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION ON THE STAT OFFENSE -- STATUS ON ANTI-HUMAN TRAFFICKING. THIS IS IN RESPONSE TO R-24-42. THERE WE GO. >>COUN. BASSAN: DIRECTOR, CAN YOU SPEAK UP? OR CAN WE HAVE THE VOLUME RAISED? >> SURE. I'LL POINT MY VOICE AT THE MICROPHONE BETTER. THE RESOLUTIONS PROVIDED SPECIFIC GOAL FOR HUMAN TRAFFICKING AWARENESS CAMPAIGN AND INCLUDES PARTICULAR TRAINING FOR CITY EMPLOYEES AND SIGNAGE. SO, DURING THE SUMMER AND FALL OF 2024, OUR HUMAN TRAFFICKING AWARENESS CAMPAIGN TEAM MET. THAT WAS MADE UP OF MEMBERS FROM HUMAN RESOURCES, AVIATION, TRANSIT, AFR, AND GENERAL SERVICES. WE CAME UP WITH A PLAN FOR HOW TO ADDRESS THE RESOLUTION AND THAT WAS IMPLEMENTED IN TWO MAJOR WAYS. SO, FOR TRAINING, HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT IDENTIFIED OR TRACKED DOWN THREE DIFFERENT TRAINING PROTOCOLS AM. ONE FOR GENERAL CITY EMPLOYEES WE ACKNOWLEDGE ON OUR LEARNING PLATFORM. WAS ACQUIRED FROM THE AVIATION DEPARTMENT THROUGH THEIR CONNECTION WITH TSA. AND AFR UPDATED AN EXISTING HUMAN TRAFFICKING TRAINING TO BE SERVICEABLE FOR ALL OF OUR PUBLIC SAFETY EMPLOYEES. TO FULFILL THEIR REQUIREMENT, THE ADMINISTRATION ADOPTED ADMINISTRATIVE INSTRUCTION, 7-3, WHICH REQUIRED ALL CITY EMPLOYEES TO UNDERTAKE THIS TRAINING ON AN ANNUAL OR BIANNUAL BASIS BASED ON THE PARTICULAR NEEDS OF THEIR DEPARTMENT. THE TRAINING, WE BEGIN IMPLEMENTING IT AT THE END OF 2024 IN LATE NOVEMBER, BUT CERTAINLY BY DECEMBER, TO ALL NEW EMPLOYEES THROUGH OUR NEW EMPLOYEE ORIENTATION PROGRAM. OTHER EMPLOYEES WERE ASKED TO BEGIN TAKING THE TRAIN AND IT WAS MADE AVAILABLE TO THEM IN JANUARY AND CONTINUES. TO DATE, WE HAD 3,956 EMPLOYEES TAKE THE TRAINING. WE ALSO ADDED A NEW WEB PAGE TO THE CITY'S WEBSITE. WHERE THEY CAN IDENTIFY MUCH OF THE SAME INFORMATION PROVIDED IN THE TRAINING AND OTHER SIGNAGES. IT'S AVAILABLE AT CAB.GOV/HUMAN-TRAFFICKING. IN TERMS OF THE SIGNAGE WE PUT UP, THE AVIATION DEPARTMENT WAS ABLE TO OBTAIN SIGNAGE THROUGH THE TSA. THAT HAS BEEN PUT UP IN PUBLIC AREAS. AND RESTROOMS, THROUGHOUT THE SUNPORT. BEGINNING IN DECEMBER AND ONGOING. THE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT HAS ALSO BEGUN PUTTING UP SIGNAGE AT THE TRANSIT CENTER, ALL OF THE OTHER TRANSPORTATION HUBS, ALL ART STATIONS, ALL BUS STOPS, SHELTERS, AND IN EVERY BUS. THAT EFFORT IS ONGOING. HR ACQUIRED SIGNS BEING PUT UP THROUGHOUT THE RESTROOMS IN CITY HALL AND PLAZA DEL SOL BUILDING. AND WE'LL BE ADDING IT TO OUR DIGITAL BILLBOARD AVAILABLE IN EVERY ELEVATOR LOBBY THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING. IN THE FUTURE, WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE SIGNAGE THAT CAN BE PUT UP IN RESTROOMS, COMMUNITY CENTERS, AND SENIOR CENTERS. THAT WILL BEGIN IN MARCH. THERE'S SOME EXAMPLES ON THE PREVIOUS PAGE THERE'S A FEW SIGNAGE EXAMPLES. THESE ARE EXAMPLES FROM THE SUNPORT. IN TERMS OF EXPENSES AND WHAT THIS HAS COST, THE PRIMARY EXPENSE HAS BEEN FOR LICENSES THROUGH THE CITY'S ELECTRONIC LEARN MANAGEMENT KNOWLEDGE CITY. THE COST OF ABOUT $24,000 IS BEING -- PARTLY FOR PRORATED LICENSES THAT WILL GET US THROUGH THE CONTRACT RENEWAL TIME FOR THAT, WHICH IS IN LATE MAY, EARLY JUNE. THE OTHER PORTION IS GOING FORWARD TO THE NEXT YEAR. THE LICENSES -- THEY'RE ASSIGNED ONE PER EMPLOYEE. FOR EACH EMPLOYEE THAT NEEDS TO TAKE THE TRAINING, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A LICENSE. THAT'S WHY WE HAD TO INCREASE THE NUMBER WE HAD AVAILABLE SO THAT WE COULD HAVE EVERYONE TAKE THE TRAINING. WE HAVE ALSO PAID FOR THE PRINTING AND SIGNAGE AS WELL AS PLASTIC SIGN HOLDERS FOR THEM TO BE PUT UP. THAT IS WHAT I HAVE TO SHARE. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >>COUN. BASSAN:ING COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR, FOR THE PRESENTATION. I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. R-42 ASKED THE ADMINISTRATION TO EDUCATE CITY EMPLOYEES ON THE SIGNS AND INDICATORS OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING AND THE PROPER ROTE CALLS FOR REPORTING SUSPECTED CASES. I DID TAKE THE TRAINING. AND THE VIDEO DID A GOOD JOB OF DESCRIBING THE PROBLEM OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING. I DIDN'T SEE WHERE IT DESCRIBED WHAT WE SHOULD DO IF WE SEE IT. THAT WAS MY TAKEAWAY FROM THAT. THE RESOLUTION ALSO ASKED ADMINISTRATION TO COLLABORATE WITH LOCAL ANTI-TRAFFICKING ORGANIZATIONS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT. COULD YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW YOU COLLABORATED ON THIS TRAINING? >> WE'VE COLLABORATED INTERNALLY WITH APD IN TERMS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT. >>COUN. GROUT: WITH WHO? >> APD. REPRESENTATIVE LAW ENFORCEMENT. AND HUMAN RESOURCES HAS NOT REACHED OUT TO OTHER COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS. AS WE MOVE FORWARD WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH PARTNERS IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND OFFICE OF EQUITY AND INCLUSION TO FURTHER THOSE COLLABORATION. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. HAVE YOU DEVELOPED AND DISTRIBUTED OUTREACH TO THE CITY EMPLOYEES? >> IN THE FORM OF A TRAINING THAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DO. >>COUN. GROUT: JUST THAT? OKAY. THE INFORMATION ON HUMAN TRAFFICKING ON THE HR WEBSITE IS EXCELLENT. WHERE -- I THANK YOU FOR THAT. HOW IS THAT INFORMATION BEING DISTRIBUTED TO THE EMPLOYEES? >> IT IS BEING DISTRIBUTED BOTH THROUGH THE TRAINING THAT THEY'RE ASKED TO WATCH, THE SIGNAGE WE'RE PUTTING UP AND THROUGH THE WEBSITE ITSELF. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. CAN YOU TELL ME HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE NOT TAKEN THE TRAINING THAT YOU SENT THE EMAILS TO? >> IT'S JUST UNDER 4,000 EMPLOYEES HAVE TAKEN THE TRAINING, THAT LEAVES ABOUT 2,000 THAT TILL SHED -- STILL NEED TO TAKE THE TRAINING. >>COUN. GROUT: OKAY. I APPRECIATE ALL THE INFORMATION YOU'VE PROVIDED TONIGHT. WE DO HAVE STAFF AND COUNCIL SERVICES THAT ARE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS PROJECT AS WELL. AND STOPPING HUMAN TRAFFIC. AND THEY WOULD LOVE TO HELP AS WELL. WE HAVE CONTACTS IN THE COMMUNITY WHO ALSO OFFERED TO HELP. I'D SURE LIKE TO TAKE THEM UP ON THAT OFFER. CAN OUR OFFICE REACH OUT TO YOU AND COLLABORATE WITH THE INFORMATION WE'VE LEARNED AND SOME REALLY GOOD LOCAL PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN HELPING? I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA. >> OF COURSE. YOU CAN REACH OUT TO ME DIRECTLY WERE OR MY ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR TOM DARLING WHO HAS BEEN THE SPEARHEAD OF THIS PROJECT. >>COUN. GROUT: VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THIS HORRIBLE PROBLEM IN OUR CITY, AND I THINK WE CAN MAKE THIS TRAINING EVEN MORE IMPACTFUL. I'LL LOOK NOBODY TO WORKING WITH YOU AND GETTING THE WORD OUT. COUNCILOR CHAMPINE AND I HAVE MET WITH OUR STAFF AND WE HAVE SOME REALLY FUN IDEAS THAT I THINK WOULD BE IMPACTFUL IN THIS AREA. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. DIRECTOR STOKER, I WAS WONDERING WHAT KIND OF COLLABORATION DID YOU DO WITH APD? WHAT DID YOU TALK ABOUT OR WHAT WERE THE DISCUSSIONS? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, I PERSONALLY DID NOT HAVE THE CONVERSATION. MY UNDERSTANDING IS MY TEAM DID REACH OUT TO THEM TO FIND OUT IF THE CONTENT OF THE TRAINING THAT HAD BEEN PREPARED SUFFICED THEIR NEEDS. -- >>COUN. SANCHEZ: WITH THAT BEING SAID, IT WILL BE IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO ACTUALLY TALK TO THE OFFICERS SO THEY CAN ACTUALLY GIVE YOU IDEAS OF WHAT THEY CAN SEE EVEN WHEN IT'S BEING HIDDEN FROM PLAIN SIGHT. WHEN YOU DEAL WITH HUMAN TRAFFICKING, IT'S SOMETHING DONE AND OVER AND OVER, AND EVEN POLICE OFFICERS MISS THOSE SIGNS. IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT YOU NOT ONLY TRAIN WITH APD, BUT GET GOOD IDEAS FROM THEM AND MAKE SURE THEY HAVE OTHER OPTIONS AS WELL TO ADDRESS THE SITUATION. MADAM PRESIDENT, I NOTICED ON YOUR SIGNAGE, YOU DON'T HAVE LOCAL NUMBERS LISTED ON THE SIGNAGE. YOU HAVE A NATIONAL NUMBER LISTED. >> YES, IT'S A NATIONAL NUMBER. EVEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT OTHER RESOURCES THEY ALL REFER BACK TO THE NATIONAL NUMBERS. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: SO IF SOMEBODY SEIZE HUMAN TRAFFICKING OCCURRING RIGHT AWAY, HOW DO THEY -- THAT SIGNAGE SHOULD PROBABLY SAY TO CALL EMERGENCY PHONE NUMBER OR SOMEBODY THAT COULD ACTUALLY DEAL WITH IT, OR KNOWS WHAT TO DO IN REFERENCE TO THE TRAFFICKING. IS THERE ANY WAY YOU CAN PUT LOCAL NUMBERS ON THE SIGNAGE? FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU'RE IN THE AIRPORT, WOULDN'T IT BE A GOOD IDEA TO ACTUALLY HAVE THE AIRPORT POLICE NUMBER LISTED ON THAT SIGNAGE? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK INTO ADDING ADDITIONAL PHONE NUMBERS TO FUTURE SIGNAGE. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: WHAT DO YOU THINK? IS THAT NOT LOGICAL TO ACTUALLY HAVE THE APD -- OR THE OFFICERS ASSIGNED TO THE AIRPORT BE ABLE TO BE CONTACTED THROUGH DISPATCH? >> I DON'T DISAGREE. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: OKAY. IF YOU DON'T DISAGREE, THEN THAT'S SOMETHING YOU SHOULD GET DONE JUST SO WE CAN MAKE SURE IF SOMEBODY IS INVOLVED WITH HUMAN TRAFFICKING, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT PERSON TO CALL. I WOULD DEFINITELY APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILORS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE ARE MOVING TO AGENDA ITEM, FIVE, THE JOURNAL. AND MOVE APPROVAL OF THE FEBRUARY 19th JOURNAL. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: SECOND. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. COUNCILORS, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE JOURNAL RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANYBODY OPPOSED? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. MOVE TO COMMUNICATIONS AND INTRODUCTIONS. ARE THERE ANY CHANGES TO THE LETTER OF INTRODUCTION? COUNCILOR LEWIS AND COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT, I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR PLACING R-122 ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. IT'S ESTABLISHING THE MINIMUM STAFFING REQUIREMENTS FOR ALBUQUERQUE FIRE RESCUE APPARATUS. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE IS A MOTION. THERE'S A SECOND BY COUNCILOR BACA. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE RULE SUSPENSION RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANYONE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON AN 8-1. COUNCILORS BACA AND SANCHEZ. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I MOVE THE RULES SUSPENDED FOR PLACING R-124 FOR ACTION. IT'S AMENDING THE CAPITAL IMPLEMENTATION PROGRAM BY SUPPLEMENTING, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE COUNCIL THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. THERE'S A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES FOR IMMEDIATE ACTION ON R-124. THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. THOSE OPPOSED. THAT PASSES. I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE LETTER OF INTRODUCTION. THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR GROUT. COUNCILORS, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE LETTER RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANYONE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. MOVING TO REPORTS OF COMMITTEES. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THE LAND USE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE MET ON WEDNESDAY FEBRUARY 26, AND REPORTS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS. IN THE MATTER OF O-73 THAT IT DO PASS. MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE COMMITTEE REPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. ANY DISCUSSION? COUNCILORS, THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE DO PASS OF THE COMMITTEE REPORT? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. I KNOW YOU ALL KNOW WHAT TO DO BACK THERE. JUST SO WE'RE FAIR TO EVERYONE, PLEASE FIND A SEAT. STANDING IN THE CHAMBERS, PLEASE MAKE SURE TO FIND A SEAT. THERE'S MORE SEATS OVER HERE. THANK YOU. MOVING TO DEFERRAL AND WITH DRAWLS. COUNCILOR, ANY DEFERRALS OR WITHDRAWLS? WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. ANY CHANGES TO THE CONSENT AGENDA? COUNCILORS? FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS ON TONIGHT'S CONSENT AGENDA WHO ARE BEING APPROVED TO SERVE ON A BEARD OR COMMISSION THANK YOU FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SERVE. I SAY I WORKED REALLY HARD TO FILL MY REMAINING SEATS. I HAVE DONE IT. THERE ARE SEVERAL DISTRICTS, I WAS TALKING TO MR. MONZANO, IT WOULD BE NICE TO FILL THOSE IN YOUR DISTRICT, FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT MIGHT HAVE A VACANCY. WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND BY COUNCILOR GROUT. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANYONE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. MOVE TO ANNOUNCEMENTS. COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THERE WILL BE A LOCAL GOVERNMENT COORDINATING COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING TOMORROW, TUESDAY, MARCH 4th AT 5 O'CLOCK IN THE BERNALILLO COUNTY KEN SANCHEZ COMMISSION CHIMBERS. THIS WILL BE A HYBRID MEETING. >>COUN. GROUT: MADAM PRESIDENT, THERE WILL BE SIX INTERGOVERNMENTAL LEGISLATIVE RELATIONS COMMITTEE MEETINGS ON WEDNESDAY MARCH 5th AT 5 P.M., SATURDAY MARCH 8th AT 10 A.M., WEDNESDAY MARCH 12th AT 5 P.M., THURSDAY MARCH 13th AT 10 A.M., FRIDAY MARCH 14 AT 10 A.M., AND SATURDAY MARCH 15th AT 5 P.M. VIA ZOOM VIDEO CONFERENCE. THERE WILL ALSO BE A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING ON THURSDAY MARCH 5th, AT 5 P.M. IN THE VINCENT E. GRIEGO BASEMENT LEVEL OF THE ALBUQUERQUE GOVERNMENT CENTER. THIS WILL BE A HYBRID MEETING. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THERE WILL BE A FINANCE AND GOVERNMENT OPERATION COMMITTEE MEETING MARCH 10th AT 5 P.M. IN THE VINCENT E. GRIEGO CHAMBERS BASEMENT LEVEL OF THE ALBUQUERQUE GOVERNMENT CENTER. THIS LABORATORY HYBRID MEETING. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THERE WILL BE A LAND USE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE MEETING ON WEDNESDAY, MARCH 12th, 5 P.M. THIS ROOM. >>COUN. BASSAN: WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN PROVIDE LIVE PUBLIC COMMENT TO THE COUNCIL IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY IF THEY HAVE SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT PER THE INSTRUCTIONS PUBLISHED ON THE AGENDA ON OUR WEBSITE. THE GROUND RULES EACH PARTICIPANT WILL HAVE ONE MINUTE TO PRESENT COMMENTS ARE TO BE ADDRESSED TO THE COUNCILORS ONLY THROUGH THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT AND ANY DISRUPTIVE CONDUCT WILL RESULT IN REMOVAL FROM THE MEETING. ONCE YOUR TIME LIMIT IS UP, A BELL WILL RING TO THEDICATE THAT TIME ENDED. PLEASE CALL THE FIRST SPEAKER. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS ROB TELLA FOLLOWED BY MIGUEL TITMAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: WHILE YOU'RE COMING DOWN, MR. S TERBGS FOR THOSE OF YOU NEXT, COME DOWN SO YOU'RE READY WHEN IT'S YOUR TURN. >> CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? I'VE BEEN WITH AFR FOR 20 YEARS NOW. I'M A PARAMEDIC ON A RESCUE. I ENCOURAGE ALL OF YOU TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE STAFFING MODEL MAINTAIN THE CURRENT SAVING MODEL. I'VE SEEN THE OTHER MODEL AND I HAVE CONCERNS. WHEN A SINGLE UNIT RESPONDS TO AN EMERGENCY AND IT'S A MARGINAL SITUATION, THIS IS -- WE CALL THEM CHARLEY CALLS. THEY HAVE A NEED FOR RESCUE, BUT NOT NECESSARILY NEED A FIRE ENGINE AND A RESCUE. JUST A RESCUE RESPONSE. THIS NEW MODEL WE'LL HAVE THE CALLS BUT WE'LL HAVE JUST A RESCUE, SINGLE MEDIC. IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE YOU GUYS GET TWO MINUTES ON A RESCUE RESPONDING TO MARGINAL EMERGENCIES, IF IT'S ACUTE YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES TO SIMULTANEOUSLY PROVIDE CARE INTERPRETING ADVANCED RHYTHM, CHECKING FOR DOSES, AND DELIVERING LIFE-SAVING ELECTRICITY. BEYOND THE SCOPE. I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER THAT WHEN VOTING FOR THIS. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. >> MIGUEL TITMAN FOLLOWED BY BREG MONFOYA. GREG MONTOYA. >> GOOD EVENING, MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, I'M HERE TO SUPPORT R-25, WE THANK THE SPONSORS TO BRING THIS TO A PUBLIC FORUM. I STAND HERE REPRESENTING THE FIREFIGHTERS BEHIND ME. WHO ARE BRAVELY SERVING ALBUQUERQUE AT ALL TIMES. THEY RANGE FROM FIREFIGHTER TO BATTALION CHIEF AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN. BASIC, INTERMEDIATE AND PARAMEDIC. WE HAVE FIREFIGHTERS IN ALL KINDS OF DIVISION, INCLUDING FOC, ARSON, FIRE MARSHAL OFFICE, TRAINING, DISPATCH, ALL UNIQUELY AND QUALIFIED AND PROVIDING SUPPORT TO OUR FRONT LINE FIREFIGHTERS. OUR FRONT LINE FIREFIGHTERS THAT PROVIDE THE GREAT SERVICE THAT WE DO. ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THIS GREAT SERVICE IS TWO PARAMEDIC RESCUE SYSTEM. THE SYSTEM WE'VE BEEN HONING FOR 40-PLUS YEARS IN THIS DEPARTMENT. YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR RETIREES SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THAT TONIGHT. WE ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT. >> GREG MONTOYA, FOLLOWED BY SAM TRUJILLO. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK BEFORE YOU TODAY. I'M HERE TO EXPRESS MY STRONG SUPPORT FOR MAINTAINING OUR TWO-PARAMEDIC STAFFING. THE RESOLUTION VITE TOOL THE HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELL BEING OF OUR COMMUNITY. REDUCING PARAMEDIC STAFFING CREATES UNNECESSARY RISKS FOR REZ DENTS AND FIRST RESPONDERS. WE CANNOT AFFORD TO TAKE A STEP BACKWARD WHEN IT COMES TO EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES. ESPECIALLY WHEN WE KNOW WELL EQUIPPED STAFF SAVES LIVES. MAINTAINING PARAMEDIC STAFFING STRENGTHENS OUR CITY'S OVERALL LEVEL OF CARE FOR ALS RESPONSES ON TRANSPORT-CAPABLE UNITS. THIS ENSURES PARAMEDICS CAN CROSS-CHECK MEDICATIONS AND COORDINATE TREATMENT. ELIMINATING THE DISPARITY OF HAVING A PARTNER WITH THE LESSER LICENSURE. I URGE YOU TO SUPPORT THE RESOLUTION AND CONTINUE INVESTING IN THE SAFETY AND WELL BEING OF OURS AREDANTS. THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE DESERVE THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF EMERGENCY MEDICAL CARE. THAT STARTS BY ENSURING OUR STAFF IS STAFFED AS NECESSARY. THANK YOU TO THE SPONSORS. >> SAM TRUJILLO FOLLOWED BY MAUREEN. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCILORS. I'M A RETIRED AFD FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDIC. I WAS IN THE SECOND PERMITTING CLASS THAT WENT THROUGH THE EMS ACADEMY AT UNM SCHOOL OF MEDICINE BACK IN 1975. THE PARAMEDIC PROGRAM CAME INTO LIGHT IN 1974. MANY OF YOU WERE PROBABLY TOO YOUNG TO REMEMBER THE PROGRAM EMERGENCY THAT CAME OUT. THAT WAS OUR DREAM OF HAVING SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THROUGHOUT MY CAREER I ENDED UP BEING PARAMEDIC DIRECTOR. BACK THEN WE USED TO RUN A THREE-MAN RESCUE. TWO PARAMEICS AND EMT BASIC. I USED TO JUSTIFY THE MANPOWER BECAUSE YOU NEED ONE PERSON TO GET GOING ON CPR ON ADVANCED LIFE CALL. THAT COULD BE THE BASIC PERSON. THEN YOU NEED TWO ADDITIONAL PEOPLE, ONE TO START AIR WAY MANAGEMENT -- >>COUN. BASSAN: FINISH THAT THOUGHT. >> I'M SORRY. ANYWAY. WE -- I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT. WE USED TO JUSTIFY HAVING A THREE-MAN RESCUE BECAUSE WE HAD ONE PERSON DOING CPR, ANOTHER PERSON STARTING AIRWAY MANAGEMENT, ADVANCED AIRWAY MANAGEMENT USING MEDICAL EQUIPMENT AND WE HAD THE THIRD PERSON THAT WAS COMMUNICATING WITH THE HOSPITAL AND STARTING AN IV AND COMMUNICATING WITH THE PEOPLE THAT WE WERE AT THE SCENE WITH AS WELL AS JUSTIFYING EVERYTHING, PROTECTING OUR PEOPLE AND SO FORTH. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU, MR. TRUJILLO. >> I RAN OUT OF TIME, ASSUME? >>COUN. BASSAN: YES, SIR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. >> MARUEEN BACA FOLLOWED BY ANAMI DOSS. >> I CHAIR THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE NEW MEXICO PHILHARMONIC. WE APPRECIATE THE APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT FROM THE CITY. I AM HERE TO URGE YOU TO SUPPORT COUNCILOR BACA'S PROPOSAL TO REMOVE THE CITY CHARTER RESTRICTION REQUIRING A PUBLIC VOTE ON EXPENDITURES OVER $10 MILLION FOR PERFORMING ARTS CENTER. WORLD-CLASS PERFORMING ARTS CENTER IS NOT A LUXURY, IT IS A NECESSITY. OUR VENUES INCLUDING POPEJOY HALL ARE AGING AND INADEQUATE. BEYOND THE CULTURAL IMPACT, THE CENTER IS A CATALYST FOR ECONOMIC GROWTH. IT WOULD CREATE JOBS , ATTRACT VISITORS AND SUPPORT LOCAL BUSINESSES. OTHER CITY'S INVESTMENTS IN THE ARTS HAVE RETURNS FOR THE CITY AND REVITALIZING NEIGHBORHOODS. I URGE YOU TO SUPPORT THE CHANGE TO THE CHARTER. THANK YOU. >> ANAMI DOSS FOLLOWED BY STEVEN BACA. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, POSTED SOMETHING ABOUT EC-318 WHICH DEALS WITH FAMILY CONTRACT LATER ON THE AGENDA. I WAS INFORMED BY THE DIRECTOR OF HHH THAT A PART OF WHAT I HAD POSTED WAS INCORRECT. I WANTED TO OFFER A CORRECTION. FAMILY ENDEAVORS IS NOT CONTRACTED BY ICE CURRENTLY AND THEIR MOST RECENT CONTRACT ENDED IN 2023. THEY ARE, HOWEVER, STILL CONTRACTED WITH CUSTOMS AND BORDER PROTECTION. AND I STILL INTEND ON MAKING A PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT SPECIFIC ITEM. BECAUSE -- THAT'S -- A FORMER ICE CONTRACTOR AND AN ICE CONTRACTOR THERE'S A BARELY A DIFFERENCE. WE NEED TO KEEP SAFE IN ALBUQUERQUE. THANK YOU. >> STEVEN BACA FOLLOWED BY ROBERT JARAMILLO. >> PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, I SERVE AS PRESIDENT OF THE NEW MEXICO PHILHARMONIC FOUNDATION. I'M A LIFE-LONG RESIDENT OF ALBUQUERQUE. I URGE YOU TO SUPPORT COUNCILOR BACA'S PROPOSAL TO REMOVE THE CITY CHARTER AMENDMENT LIMITING EXPENDITURES TO $10 MILLION FOR PERFORMING ARTS CENTER. POPEJOY HALL IS ALMOST AS OLD AS I AM. IT STRUGGLES TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY. REMOVING THIS AMENDMENT IS THE FIRST STEP TOWARD CREAING A STATE O THE ART PERFORMING ARTS CENTER AND CREATING AND ENCOURAGING A VIBRANT FUTURE FOR ALBUQUERQUE AND RESIDENTS. >> ROBERT FOLLOWED BY LISA CHRISTOFFERSON. LISA FOLLOWED BY MARSELYN. >> COUNCILOR BASSAN, CITY COUNCILORS HI. I LIVE IN DISTRICT THREE. I MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT TO BRING ATTENTION TO A SECTION OF BLAKE ROAD BETWEEN UNSER ROAD AND COORS BOULEVARD. I BEGAN REACHING OUT TO STATE AND COUNTY LEGISLATORS. AND I REACHED OUT TO THE CITY AND GOT THE SAME RESULT. I REACHED OUT TO COUNTY COMMISSION, AND SHE PUT ME IN CONTACT WITH THE CITY. HOWEVER, THEY DID DO A STUDY AND THIS STRETCH OF THE ROAD IS A HUGE PUBLIC SAFETY BECAUSE THERE'S NO LIGHTS, NO SIDEWALKS, AND THERE'S TRAILER PARKS ALL ALONG AND A SCHOOL AND KIDS AND ELDERLY PEOPLE TRYING TO GET TO WHERE THEY NEED TO GO. IT IS UNSAFE. ON THE HIGHER INCOME SIDE OF BLAKE WHERE I HAVE, WE HAVE A HUGE LANE IN THE MIDDLE, WE HAVE BIKE LANES, WE HAVE SIDEWALKS AND WE HAVE LIGHTS. MY CONCERN IS WE HAVE YOUTH AND ELDERLY WALKING IN THE DIRT AND WITH WALKERS AND THEY'RE AT RISK OF BEING HIT. WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO GET IT FIXED? >> MARSELYN COSTNER FOLLOWED BY SHAUN KINNY. >> HI, ANTI-HOMELESSES AND SWEEPS DO NOT MAKE LIFE BETTER FOR ME. IT DOESN'T MAKE LIFE BETTER FOR YOU. UNLESS YOU ARE AN UNINSPIRED POLITICIAN THAT WANTS TO HIDE A PROBLEM BEFORE THEY SEEK REELECTION IT DOES NOTHING FOR YOU. IT SENDS PUBLIC RESEARCH OPCRIMINALATION OF FOLKS WHO ARE TOLD THEY'RE NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR SHELTER. WHAT MORE DO WE NEED TO GAIN FROM KICKING PEOPLE DOWN IN OUR OWN COMMUNITY? WHAT DO WE GAIN FROM THAT? HOW DO WE MAKE OUR COMMUNITY BETTER BY ENFORCING LEVY AND FINES ON PEOPLE WE KNOW THAT CAN'T PAY THAT. WE ARE WE LEVYING THAT TO BE -- WE NEED TO INVEST IN A MORE EFFECTIVE SYSTEM. WE NEED TO SEE THE REALITY AND THE REALITY IS THAT PEOPLE'S LIVES ARE GENERALLY NOT GETTING BETTER AND THE SYSTEM IS NOT WORKING. PEOPLE NEED HELP NOW NOT TOMORROW, NOT IN A YEAR, NOT IN FIVE, ALL PEOPLE DESERVE FOOD, SHELTER, AND BASIC DECENCY AND OUR LACK OF UNDERSTANDING THIS IS UTTERLY DISGUSTING AND IT WILL BE A HAUNTING MEMORY OF THE LEGACY WE LEAVE BEHIND. >> SHAUN KINNY, FOLLOWED BY AL STOBS. AL FOLLOWED BY ASHLEY. >> GOOD EVENING, MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, I AM VICE CHAIR OF THE NEW MEXICO PHILHARMONIC BOARD OF DIRECTORS. IN THE EARLY 1880s A 1,000 SEAT OPERA HOUSE IS BUILT IN DOWNTOWN ALBUQUERQUE AT 3rd STREET AND CENTRAL AVENUE. AND THAT FACILITY SERVED THE MUSICAL AND THEATRICAL NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY UNTIL 1898 WHEN IT BURNED DOWN. IT TOOK ALMOST 70 YEARS FOR THE COMMUNITY TO GET POPEJOY HALL AT UNM. AS YOU'VE HEARD, POPEJOY IS NOW 60 YEARS OLD. IT IS TIME FOR THIS COMMUNITY TO GET A NEW STATE OF THE ART PERFORMING ARTS CENTER. AS MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID, WE SUPPORT COUNCILOR BACA'S PROPOSAL TO PUT THE QUESTION ON THIS YEAR'S BALLOT ASKING FOR PUBLIC APPROVAL TO AMEND THE CHARTER. SO WE CAN BEGIN TO TAKE STEPS TO BUILD A NEW WORLD-CLASS PERFORMING ARTS CENTER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> ASHLEY FOLLOWED BY GUS GUDROTTI. GUS PUDROTTI FOLLOWED BY CHRISTIAN LEAD. >> I AM THE PROUD PARAMEDIC AND FIREFIGHTER SERVING THIS COMMUNITY AND I'M HERE WITH THE INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT OF FIREFIGHTERS LOCAL 244. I'M GRATEFUL TO SUPPORT THIS IMPORTANT ISSUE. ASKING FOR YOUR SUPPORT ON RESOLUTION 122. THIS KEEP AS GOLD STANDARD OF CARE THAT I'M PROUD TO BE A PART OF IN THIS COMMUNITY. I'M A YOUNG PARAMEDIC THAT NEEDED A GREAT DEAL OF MENTORSHIP THAT CAME BEFORE ME. AND I PROVIDE BETTER PATIENT CARE BECAUSE I WORKED ON TWO-PARAMEDIC RESCUE SYSTEM. THERE'S A CHILD IN THIS CITY ON A STATION THAT'S GOING TO BE SPLIT, I CAME WITH A CHARLEY CALL, THERE WAS A CARDIAC EVENT. THOSE MEDICS HAD A CHANCE TO TALK AS THEY'RE ON THE WAY TO THE CALL, CONFER AND PROVIDE EXCELLENT CARE. THAT FAMILY DOESN'T KNOW THE LICENSURE OF THE TWO PEOPLE ON THE TRUCK. EVERYONE HERE IN THIS ROOM DOES. EVERYONE KNOWS THEY GOT THE BEST CARE THEY DESERVE. THEY GOT THE GOLD STANDARD ALBUQUERQUE HAS BEEN PROVIDING. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO PROTECT TONIGHT. >> CHRISTIAN MEE. FOLLOWED BY GILBERT BACA. GILBERT BACA FOLLOWED BY ANREW TILLHER. >> GOOD EVENING. I LIVED IN ALBUQUERQUE MOST OF MY LIFE. I'M AN ARMY VET AND RETIRED FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDIC FOR AFR. I COME TO YOU AS A CONCERNED CITIZEN. I'M CONCERNED WE'RE MOVING AWAY FROM THE TWO-MAN SYSTEM. IT'S THE BEST SYSTEM. IT'S IDEAL. NOT ONLY FOR OUR CITIZENS, BUT FOR FIREFIGHTERS AND POLICE OFFICERS. IT'S A SYSTEM THAT I WANT TO EXPECT TO HAVE RESPOND TO MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS IN THIS CITY. THE NEW SYSTEM SIMPLY PROPOSES FOR SOMEBODY TRIES TO DO MORE WITH LESS. WHY ARE THEY DOING THIS? WE DO NOT HAVE THE FUNDING AND SAF TO KEEP UP WITH THE CALL VOLUME. EL PASO HAS THE SAME AMOUNT OF CALLS WE HAVE. THEY HAVE 1,000 FIREFIGHTERS AND 35 STATION AND A BUDGET OF $168 MILLION. WE HAVE 760 FIREFIGHTERS AND A BUDGET OF $125 MILLION. >> ANDREW FOLLOWED BY DAVID McKIBENS. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, GOOD AFTERNOON. I RECENTLY SPOKE TO THIS COUNCIL ABOUT MY CONCERNS ABOUT THE DECISION TO APPROPRIATE MONEY AWAY FROM THE RAIL TRAIL AND TO THE WEST SIDE YOUTH SPORTS COMPLEX. I EXPRESSED HOPE THERE MIGHT BE A WAY FORWARD THAT DOES NOT INVOLVE MOVING MONEY AWAY FROM ONE DISTRICT'S PROJECT TO ANOTHER. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT MAYOR KELLER'S RECENT VETO OF THE COUNCIL'S FUNDING APPROPRIATION IS NOT A SIGN OF OPPOSITION TO THE SPORTS COMPLEX, RATHER A SIGNAL THAT THE MAYOR'S OFFICE IS READY, EXCITED AND EXTREMELY WILLING TO WORK WITH THE CITY COUNCIL TO FUND BOTH OF THESE PROJECTS IN THE APPROPRIATE MANNER. I THINK MAYOR KELLER, CITY COUNCIL, AND THE CITIZENS OF ALBUQUERQUE ARE ALL IN FAVOR OF BOTH PROJECTS. I HOPE THAT YOU UPHOLD THE VETO AND WE FIND A WHY TO FUND BOTH EXCELLENT PROJECTS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> DAVID McKIBENS FOLLOWED BY LEX ALTO. LEX ALTO FOLLOWED BY BRICK JOANACY. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, I STRUGGLED TO TRY TO IMPRESS UPON YOU EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON, NOT ONLY IN MY LIFE, BUT IN THE LIVES OF A LOT OF PEOPLE IN ALBUQUERQUE WHEN IT COMES TO THEIR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS. IN THIS COUNTRY, PEOPLE HAVE DIED AND LEFT BLOOD ON SOIL FOR THOSE RIGHTS. IT TROUBLES ME TO WALK THE CITY HALLS OF PUBLIC PROPERTY AND BE TREATED LIKE A CRIMINAL FOR SIMPLY HOLDING A CAMERA. THE OLD ADAGE WAS YOU CAN'T FIGHT CITY HALL. THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN TRUE, BUT NOW IN THE DAY AND AGE OF A CAMERA WHEN YOU'RE TALKING TO SOMEBODY, I SUFFER WHAT THEY CALL CAN'T REMEMBER SHIT, I HAVE MY CAMERA. SO I'M NOT GOING TO BE TOLD BY SOMEBODY LATER ON THAT'S WHAT WE TOLD YOU. I CAN GO BACK AND REVIEW MY DOCUMENTATION DEVICE. IT TROUBLES ME WHEN I GO TO THE COURTS AND I'M NOT ALLOWED IN WITH MY CAMERA. AND THEY TRY TO USE SOME RULE THAT SAYS I'M COMMITTING A CRIME FOR SIMPLY HAVING A CAMERA. THANK YOU. >> BRICK JOANACY FOLLOWED BY TAD NYIEMISKI. >> COUNCILORS, TWO MINUTES. ONE MINUTE IS NOT ENOUGH. I'M GOING TO TAKE MY MINUTE AND READ WHAT HE WAS GOING TO TRY TO READ TO YOU. THIS STATUTE, 30-20-13 WHERE YOUR COURT HAS DECIDED TO TRY TO ENFORCE THIS STATUTE UPON MEMBERS OF THE PRESS, NOT MEDIA. MEDIA IS A VERY SMALL PORTION OF PRESS. I BET YOU DON'T REALIZE THAT. EVERY CITIZEN IN THIS COUNTRY HAS THE RIGHT TO PRESS. THAT'S THE FIRST AMENDMENT. HERE'S WHAT IT SAYS, NO PERSON SHALL REFUSE OR FAIL TO LEAVE A PROPERTY OF ANY BUILDING OR FACILITY OWNED OPERATED OR CONTROLLED BY THE STATE OR ANY OF ITS POLITICAL SUBDIVISIONS WHEN REQUESTED TO DO SO BY A LAWFUL CUSTODIAN OF THE BUILDING FACILITY OR PROPERTY, IF, IF YOU LEAVE THAT PART OUT THE PERSON IS COMMITTING THREATENS OR INSIGHTS OTHERS TO COMMIT ACTS WHICH WOULD DISRUPT, INTERFERE WITH THE LAWFUL MISSION, PROCEDURES OR FUNCTIONS OF THE PROPERTY BUILD OR FACILITY. THAT'S BULL SHIT. >> TAD FOLLOWED BY EDDY VARELA. >> THANK YOU. MY NAME IS TAD. WELL, COUNCILOR ROGERS, AND ALL OF YOU COUNCILORS, IT IS OKAY TO BREAKING DOORS, WINDOWS, SETTING FIRES, IN RRESIDENTIAL, OR COMMERCIAL SO-CALLED ABANDONED BUILDINGS PROPERTIES. ANYTHING THAT CAN BURN IN THE COLD WINTER DAYS. NOW, EVERY ONE -- COLD WINTER AROUND 12 O'CLOCK, CENTRAL AVENUE, BETWEEN WASHINGTON AND EUBANK YOU WILL SEE WHAT I'M TALKING. TIME TO GET OUT FROM THIS -- WHERE IS APD, WHERE IS FIRE DEPARTMENT? THANK YOU. >> EDDY VARELA FOLLOWED BY DIANE JONES ON ZOOM. >> GOOD EVENING. COUNCILOR BASSAN, COUNCILORS. I AM A RETIRED FIREFIGHTER. THESE ARE ALL FIREFIGHTERS HERE. THESE ARE ALL FIREFIGHTERS HERE. I THINK YOU MUST UNDERSTAND WHAT HAS HAPPENED YEAR. YOU CANNOT REDUCE THE RESCUES TO ONE PARAMEDIC BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL DIE. IT'S THAT SIMPLE. 90% OF WHAT WE DO IS EMS CALLS. NOT FIRES. ALTHOUGH THEY RUN INTO FIRES AND EVERYONE IS RUNNING OUT. DO NOT DO THIS. THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR 35 YEARS. I FOUGHT THIS BATTLE 35 YEARS AGO. YOU CANNOT RUN AN EFFECTIVE RESCUE WITH ONE PARAMEDIC. PLEASE DON'T LET ANYBODY TELL YOU THIS IS THE WAY TO GO. IN CLOSING, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THIS, IT'S A REQUEST THAT I REALLY, REALLY HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT. I WOULD ASK THAT ALL NINE COUNCILORS GO RIDE WITH THE ALBUQUERQUE FIRE DEPARTMENT, RIDE ON A RESCUE AND MAKE A DECISION THAT YOU HAVE SEEN WITH YOUR OWN EYES ON HOW THIS ALL WORKS. DON'T LET A BUNCH OF PAPERWORK FOOL YOU. GO OUT THERE, RIDE WITH THE WOMEN AND MEN OF THE ALBUQUERQUE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND SEE FOR YOURSELF BEFORE YOU EVEN THINK OF MAKING THIS DECISION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> DIANE JONES FOLLOWED BY PETER HYDE. >> I LIVE IN SAWMILL CROSSING, SUBDIVISION IN THE SAWMILL DISTRICT. WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE RAIL TRAIL, WHICH FORMS OUR SUBDIVISION NORTHERN BOUNDARY. PLEASE UPHOLD THE MAYOR'S VETO AND REAPPROPRIATE THE FUNDING THAT WAS CUT FROM THE RAIL TRAIL PROJECT EC-25-330. THE RAIL TRAIL IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND THE MONEY HAS ALREADY BEEN OBLIGATED. THERE ARE OTHER METHOD AVAILABLE TO FUND THE WEST SIDE SPORTS COMPLEX. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS. MY NAME IS -- I URGE YOU TO REMOVE THE RESTRICTION IN THE CITY CHARTER REQUIRING A PUBLIC VOTE ON EXPENDITURES FOR A PERFORMING SART ARTS IN ALBUQUERQUE. I MOVED TO ALBUQUERQUE IN 2020 BECAUSE OF THE DYNAMIC CULTURAL ATMOSPHERE THE CITY OFFERS. THE ARTS PLAY A VITAL ROLE IN MAKING ALBUQUERQUE A DESIRABLE PLACE TO LIVE FOR A VARIETY OF PEOPLE. A PERFORMING ARTS CENTER OFFERS EXPANDED EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR STUDENTS RESIDENT AND NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STATE AND INCREASES ALBUQUERQUE'S PROFILE AS A LEADING CULTURAL CENTER IN THE SOUTHWEST. LASTLY, THE PERFORMING ARTS CONTRIBUTED HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN ECONOMIC ACTIVITY IN THE CITY AND STATE THROUGHOUT THE YEARS. WE SHOULDN'T LET ANYTHING GET IN THE WAY OF AN OPPORTUNITY TO ENHANCE THE CULTURAL OF ALBUQUERQUE AND NEW MEXICO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. >> KEVIN FOLLOWED BY JANICE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CITY COUNCILORS, COUNCIL PRESIDENT, I PERFORM WITH THE NEW MEXICO PHILHARMONIC AND I'M ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THAT ORGANIZATION. I WANT TO EXPRESS MY STRONG SUPPORT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER IN ALBUQUERQUE. THIS WOULD BE A TREMENDOUS RESOURCE FOR THE COMMUNITY AND FOR OUR ARTS ORGANIZATION THAT PROVIDE A CULTURAL VITALITY THAT DISTINGUISHES OUR CITY AND OUR STATE. THE FIRST STEP TOWARD THIS GOAL WOULD BE TO REMOVE THE REQUIREMENT FOR PUBLIC VOTE ON EXPENDITURES OF $10 MILLION OR MORE FOR PERFORMING ARTS CENTER. CURRENT VENUES USED BY LOCAL ARTS OGANIZATIONS SUCH AS POPEJOY ARE EXPENSIVE -- DIFFICULT TO BOOK AS LIMITED DATES ARE AVAILABLE. A NEW PERFORMING ARTS CENTER WOULD BE A CATALYST FOR ECONOMIC GROWTH, WOULD PROVIDE A HOME FOR ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS THE PHILHARMONIC AND BE AN IMPORTANT CULTURAL CENTER FOR THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> JANICE FOLLOWED BY DOUG MAJECSKI. >> I HOPE YOU CAN HEAR ME. I AM DRIVING RIGHT NOW ON MY WAY BACK FROM JUAREZ. I DO NOT BELIEVE IN BORDERS, I CROSS THEM. I WANTED TO REMARK ON THE CONTRACT WITH FAMILY ENDEAVORS. I WILL SPEAK ON THIS LATER, BUT I WANTED TO START OFF WITH HIGH NOTES. THANK YOU TO COUNCILOR BACA IN MY DISTRICT FOR BEING OPEN-MINDED ABOUT BEING A HOUSING OPTION. WE HAVE SPOKEN SINCE BEFORE THE ELECTION ABOUT THE NEED FOR DIFFERENT PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO GO. I'M GRATEFUL FOR THAT. I'M GLAD TO ALL OF THE COUNCILORS FOR PUMPING THE BREAKS ON THE CONTRACT. I THINK THE CONTRACT WE HAVE NOW IS MUCH BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAD BEFORE. I HAD A FEELING AFTER THE FIRST TIME IT WAS SUBMITTED WE MAY NOT GET OTHER APPLICANTS OR OTHER APPLICANTS SUITABLE BASED ON THE FEEDBACK FROM HHH. I THANK THEM AND THEIR STAFF, IT LOOKS LIKE GILBERT'S NAME WAS ON THE CONTRACT FOR HAVING A SECOND LOOK AND PUTTING MORE OUTCOMES. I BELIEVE PROVIDING SERVICES THAT ARE EVIDENCE-BASED AND WITH AS MUCH STRUCTURE AS WE CAN WITH FOLKS WITH OPIOID USE DISORDER CAN HELP US. I PROBABLY DON'T HAVE MUCH TIME LEFT. AGAIN, I'M IN MY CAR, I CAN'T SEE THE TIMING. I WILL BE BACK ON LATER AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS AGAIN. THANK YOU. >> DOUG -- >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL PRESIDENT, CITY COUNCILORS. I'M CO-FOUNDER OF THE DESIGN GROUP. I'M ALSO PROPERTY OWNER AND BUSINESS OWNER AND ARCHITECTURAL DESIGNING IN ALBUQUERQUE. I HAVE A STRONG INTEREST IN SEEING OUR COMMUNITY MOVE FORWARD. A PERFORMING ARTS CENTER A SIGNIFICANT VENUE THAT CAN HAVE TRANSFORMATIONAL IMPACT. I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TRAVEL TO NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES IN OUR REGION WHO HAVE THE VISION TO INVEST IN THEMSELVES WITH PERFORMING ARTS VENUE. IT'S TIME TO INVEST IN OURSELF. I'M HERE TO REQUEST YOU SUPPORT REMOVING THE RESTRICTION REQUIRING A PUBLIC VOTE FOR THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER. ONE POSITIVE STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION CAN BE TO REMOVE THE CLAUSE IN THE CHARTER AND REPLACE IT WITH YOU THE CITY COUNCIL. ACT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR COMMUNITY. I RESPECTFULLY URGE YOU TO SUPPORT THIS CHANGE TO THE CITY CHARTER AND ENABLE ACTION FOR FUTURE PERFORMING ART CENTER DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, JUST FOR THE RECORD, I WAS UNABLE TO LOCATE HEATHER PHAM, AND ROBERT ALEXANDER IN ZOOM. THAT CONCLUDES GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. COUNCILORS, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO OTHER BUSINESS. EC-330 IS A LINE ITEM VETO OF R-25-112 AMENDING THE CAPITAL IMLEMENTATION PROGRAM. AND CHANGING THE SCOPE OF EXISTING PROJECTS. IF THE COUNCILOR WISHES TO ATTEMPT AN OVERRIDE THEY MAKE A MOTION TO OVERRIDE. IF NO MOTION IS MADE, THE VETO STANDS. IF A MOTION IS MADE AND SECOND RECEIVED BUT SIX VOTES ARE NOT OBTAINED, THE MAYOR'S VETO STANDS. IS THERE A MOTION TO OVERRIDE? COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I MAKE A MOTION TO OVERRIDE. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND FROM COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, DO YOU WANT TO OPEN AND START SPEAKING AND WE'LL GO TO OTHER COUNCILORS? >>COUN. SANCHEZ: WHEN YOU GET RIGHT DOWN TO THE NITTY-GRITTY, THIS HAS BEEN GONE OVER AND OVER AND TIME AND TIME AGAIN. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE -- WE'RE LOOKING AT THE RAIL TRAIL. IT'S GOING TO BE A MULTI-YEAR, MULTI- -- VERY LENGTHY PROCESS. RIGHT NOW, WE CAN GET SOME MONEY TO TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS IMMEDIATELY AND HAVE AN INDOOR SPORTS COMPLEX. I THINK ALL THE COUNCILORS ARE IN AGREEMENT, OR MOST OF THE COUNCILORS ARE IN AGREEMENT, WE MOVE FORWARD AND HAVE WINS AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND WORK TOGETHER. THAT'S WHAT I'M HOPING TO ACCOMPLISH IS WE MAKE SURE WE WORK TOGETHER AND GET THINGS DONE. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILORS? COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I THINK -- NONE OF THIS IS BLACK OR WITHOUT. WE CAN HAVE A RAIL TRAIL AND DO WORKS ON OTHER PARTS OF OUR CITY. I THINK WE CAN WORK THIS OUT. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GO THIS FAR IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH TIME AND ENERGY WE PUT INTO THIS. WE'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING MONEY BACK INTO THE RAIL TRAIL LATER TONIGHT. MY SET ASIDE HAS ALREADY BEEN OBLIGATED TOWARD A PART OF THE RAIL TRAIL. PREVIOUSLY, WELL BEFORE ALL OF THIS STARTED. YOU KNOW, JUST LET FOLKS, THERE'S A LOT OUT THERE. IT'S NEVER BLACK OR WHITE. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILORS, ANYONE ELSE? I WILL TAKE A MOMENT TO SAY I WAS ORIGINALLY NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THE AMENDMENT THAT COUNCILOR SANCHEZ BROUGHT FORWARD BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT IS RIGHT AND I BELIEVE THERE WAS COUNCILORS WHO SAID SOMETHING OF THAT EFFECT THE NIGHT WE VOTED ON THIS, BUT THERE WAS AGREEMENT FROM COUNCILOR BACA. TO ME, LET'S SUPPORT THE COLLEAGUES WE WORK WITH AND LET'S SUPPORT WHAT THEY HAVE WANTED TO DO FOR TWO VERY IMPORTANT PROJECTS, WHETHER I AGREE WITH THEM BOTH OR NOT. PEOPLE IN ALBUQUERQUE THINK THEY ARE IMPORTANT. SO, I THINK IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR US TO SUPPORT ONE ANOTHER. I HAVE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO SAY, AND I RECOGNIZE THIS IS THE MIDDLE MAN RIGHT NOW, MADAM CAO, IF YOU WILL FORGIVE ME FOR THAT. I THINK THE WAY THIS VETO OCCURRED IS COMPLETELY INAPPROPRIATE, DISRESPECTFUL AND ENRAGING IS THE WORD I KEEP USING. I THINK HAVING A VETO SIGNING PARTY FOR THE PUBLIC, HAVING THE ADMINISTRATION GO AHEAD AND SEND DOWN A RESOLUTION FOR US TO USE OUR SET ASIDE FUNDING AS A SOLUTION, WHICH IS NOT THE MAYOR'S JOB, TO JUST GIVE THAT TO US BEFORE WE EVEN DECIDED WHETHER OR NOT TO OVERRIDE OR SUSTAIN THIS VETO, I FIND IT REALLY INFURYATING. ESPECIALLY WHEN I GET TOLD I SHOULDN'T GO TO THE MEDIA OR WORK TOGETHER, BUT ON AN 8-1 VOTE, INTERESTS -- IT'S A SHAME THAT THE MAYOR CONSIDERED A VETO. I HOPE, AND I BELIEVE FIRMLY THROUGH LEGISLATION AND THE WAY THESE COUNCILORS HAVE WORKED THINGS OUT, THESE PROJECTS ARE GOING TO BE FUNDED AND THINGS ARE WORKING OUT FOR ALBUQUERQUE. I HOPE AS A MESSAGE WE DO OVERRIDE THE MAYOR'S VETO BECAUSE THE WAY THIS HAPPENED IS SOMETHING THAT IS REGRETTABLE. I HOPE THAT IS SOMETHING THE MAYOR UNDERSTANDS AND SEES BECAUSE IT'S NOT FAIR TO US AS THE LEGISLATIVE BODY TO BE TREATED IN THE WAY WE WERE WHEN THIS VETO CAME OUT. WITH THAT -- LET'S GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I MEAN, MADAM PRESIDENT. WE'LL START WITH CRYSTAL GARCIA FOLLOWED BY CHRISTOPHER RAMIREZ AND MIKE BILONG. I DO SEE A CHRIS IN THE WAITING ROOM. CHRIS, IF THAT IS CHRISTOPHER RAMIREZ, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. WE'LL START WITH CRYSTAL GARCIA. >> CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> WE CAN HEAR YOU. >> PERFECT. THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBERS, FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TODAY. THREE WEEKS AGO, YOU VOTED TO PULL FUNDING FROM THE RAIL TRAIL TO REALLOCATE FUNDING. TODAY, AFTER THE MAYOR'S VETO, I'M HERE SPEAKING FOR FAMILIES WHO COULD LOSE THEIR HOMES NOT THROUGH DIRECT EVICTION BUT THROUGH THE SLOW CRUSHING PRESSURE OF GENTRIFICATION THESE TRAILS BRING. WE KNOW THE TRAIL COMES FIRST. IT'S A SIMPLE AMENITY, AND PROPERTIES HAVE TO SORE, RENTS DOUBLE, AND WORKING FAMILIES AND ELDERLY RESIDENTS GET PUSHED OUT. THE SAME NEIGHBORS THAT LIVED FOR GENERATIONS AND BUILT THIS COMMUNITY ARE GONE. THIS TRAIL ISN'T BEING BUILT FOR US, IT'S BEING BUILT TO ATTRACT WEALTHIER RESIDENTS THAT CAN AFFORD THE RISING COSTS THAT FOLLOW THESE AMENITY PROJECTS. ONCE DISPLACEMENT BEGINS, WE DON'T JUST LOSE OUR HOMES, WE LOSE OUR COMMUNITY. YOUR ORIGINAL VOTE SHOULD STAND. STAND FIRM, OVERRIDE THIS VETO AND SHOW RESIDENTS MATTER. >> MARK BILONG. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. I'M A RESIDENT OF DISTRICT TWO. I WANT TO -- FIRST OF ALL, THANK BACA AND SANCHEZ FOR ATTEMPTING TO -- I GUESS LATER IN THE MEETING PUT THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY BACK INTO THE ROYAL TRAIL. I STILL THINK IT SEEMS REASONABLE GIVEN THE OUTCRY OF SUPPORT FOR THE RAIL TRAIL THAT THE ADMINISTRATION DID WHAT THEY DID. I AM PRETTY IN FAVOR OF IT, HONESTLY, AS SOMEBODY IMMEDIATELY FLABBERGASTED REWATCHING THE MEETING TWO WEEKS AGO WHEN YOU REALLOCATED THE FUNDS. I DON'T LIKE MOVING THE STUFF AROUND IN SUCH A WAY. I'M SENSITIVE TO THE WEST SIDE NEEDING MORE INVESTMENTS. I THINK THAT'S ALL WELL AND GOOD. I EVEN LIKE CROSS-COUNCILOR WORK. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD MOVE FUNDS AROUND FOR IN-PROCESS PROJECTS TO PROJECTS THAT HAVEN'T EVEN STARTED. ESPECIALLY PROJECTS AS AWESOME AND COOL AS THE TRAIL TRAIL. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, I AM NOT FINDING CHRISTOPHER IN ZOOM. THAT CONCLUDES COMMENT. THANK YOU. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, JUST A QUICK COUPLE OF CLARIFICATION. I WASN'T AROUND WHEN THEY VOTED FOR THE RAIL TRAIL. IS IT FULLY FUNDED? >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM CAO? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, THE RAIL TRAIL IS A VERY LARGE PROJECT ACROSS MULTIPLE PHASES. IT IS NOT FULLY FUNDED ACROSS ALL OF THE MANY PHASES OF THE RAIL TRAIL AS OF YET. I CAN'T ACTUALLY AT THIS MOMENT SPEAK TO EXACTLY WITCH PORTIONS ARE FUNDED. AND THERE'S CONTINUING FUNDING THAT WILL COME. THE REFERENCES FOR UNDERWAY IS FUNDED IS FOR THE PHASES THAT HAVE BEGUN. THAT'S THE SAWMILL AND CENTRAL CROSSING AREA AND A FEW OTHER PHASES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: MADAM PRESIDENT, HOW MANY PHASES ARE THERE? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, I CAN GET YOU THAT ANSWER. I DON'T WANT TO MISSPEAK AS TO THE EXACT NUMBER OF PHASES. I CAN SPEAK TO THE FUTURE WHERE THERE'S NINE STATIONS, BUT THE PHASES DON'T MATCH TO THE PHASES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: WHAT STAGE OR STATION IS BEING DONE RIGHT? I'M NOT GOING TO HOLD YOU TO IT. SAY IF THERE'S NINE, ARE WE AT SEVEN, ARE WE AT TWO? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, I BELIEVE I CAN ASK IF -- NOPE. I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE TWO PHASES FULLY UNDERWAY. A THIRD IS ABOUT TO START OR HAS STARTED. WE HAVE EVERYTHING AND I WILL TELL YOU CHIEF OF STAFF BRUNER KNOWS THIS BY HEART. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: ONE FINAL QUESTION, DO WE HAVE AN END DATE OF THIS? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, WE DO NOT HAVE AN END DATE AT THIS TIME SINCE IT'S MANY PHASES OVER TIME THAT WILL BE DONE. WE HOPE TO SEE IT DONE IN THREE YEARS IS WHAT WE'RE AIMING TO BE COMPLETED WITH. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. DO WE HAVE ALL OF THE LAND ACQUIRED FOR THE RAIL TRAIL? >> MADAM CHAIR, COUNCILOR GROUT, I THINK WE MENTIONED IN FGO THAT WE HAVE TWO SMALL PIECES TO PURCHASE, WHICH ARE LITERALLY LINEAR FEET IS HOW THEY WERE DESCRIBED. BASED UPON THE CURRENT ACCESS AND PURCHASES WE HAVE MADE. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. MADAM CHAIR, ONE MORE QUESTION. WHY DID WE START ON ONE SIDE AND THEN WAY OVER HERE ON ANOTHER? WHY DON'T WE DO CONTINUOUS? >> MADAM CHAIR, COUNCILOR GROUT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE -- FOLKS THAT CAN ANSWER IN BETTER DETAIL EXACTLY WHY, BUT I KNOW THAT SOME PORTION OF IT IS RELATED TO THE FUNDING IN TERMS OF THE FUNDING DESIGNATION, WHETHER THAT'S THROUGH STATE FUNDING, WHETHER THAT IS FUNDING COMING FROM DOT AND SPECIFIC PIECES OF PROPERTY OR IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE MADE RELATED TO THE STATE'S FUNDING ALONG THE RAIL LINES THAT ARE ACTIVE. THERE'S MULTIPLE PIECES OF TECHNICAL WORK THAT HAS TO BE DONE AND IS FUNDED BY DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES, BOTH FEDERAL, STATE, AND OUR LOCAL DOLLARS. THAT HAS PLAYED A KEY ROLE IN WHICH PORTIONS GOT STARTED. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. ONE FINAL QUESTION, MADAM PRESIDENT, IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THE STAFF HERE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS THAT COME UP. BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT WILL COME UP. IT IS UNFORTUNATE YOUR STAFF IS NOT HERE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, I UNDERSTAND. >>COUN. PEÑA: ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS CAN ANSWER THIS, THE LAND BETWEEN SAWMILL AND MOUNTAIN, I THINK BELLAMAH AND MOUNTAIN WAS PURCHASED? I DON'T RECALL THAT PASSING THROUGH HERE. DO WE KNOW SPECIFICALLY? WHEN IT CLOSED? OR HOW MUCH IT WAS PAID. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, I WAS TRYING TO RECALL IN MY MIND THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION SPECIFICALLY. THAT SECTION IS A PORTION THAT I THINK -- THERE MAY BE BOTH -- WHETHER IT'S OWNERSHIP OR USE, IN SOME CASES WE HAVE THE RIGHT OF USES TO LAND. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I DON'T WANT TO MISSPEAK. WE'LL GET YOU THAT ANSWER. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILORS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, YOU MADE THE MOTION TO OVERRIDE. ANYTHING TO ADD? >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I WOULD LIKE TO VERY QUICKLY SAY THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ALL THE QUESTIONS ANSWERED TODAY. WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE A MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT IN THE AREA OF $100 MILLION. IF YOU TOOK A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS AND LOOKED AT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY MOVING OVER, IT'S NOT TAKING MONEY AWAY FROM THE RAIL TRAIL. THIS IS MONEY GIVEN TO THE COUNCILORS TO DECIDE WHAT TO DO WITH. JUST BECAUSE THE MAYOR MADE THE REQUEST, IT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE TAKING AWAY FROM THAT. IT'S UP TO US, THIS BODY, TO MAKE THE DECISIONS. WITH THAT BEING SAID, YOUR LOOKING AT LESS THAN ONE-HALF OF A CENT THAN THE OVERALL PICTURE. WE DON'T EVEN CARRY ONE PENNY IN OUR POCKET. YOU CAN'T MAKE A HALF-CENT. BUT THAT'S HOW MUCH WE'RE LOOKING AT. A HALF A CENT IS ALL WE'RE LOOKING AT. I'M SO GLAD THE COUNCILORS SITTING ON THE DAIS UNDERSTAND THAT. THEY GET IT. AND THEY UNDERSTAND WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER TO MOVE ALL PROJECTS FORWARD. I SAID IT BEFORE I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE RAIL TRAIL AT ALL. IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A PROJECT THAT IS GOING TO TAKE MANY, MANY YEARS AND MANY, MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. THIS WAS SOMETHING WE CAN GET GOING IMMEDIATELY, GET KEN SANCHEZ INDOOR SPORTS COMPLEX BUILT AND GET THE KIDS WHO NEED THE PRACTICE FACILITIES, THE KIDS WHO NEED A FACILITY TO ENJOY THEIR SPORTS, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED. AND THAT'S WHAT ALBUQUERQUE CITIZENS NEED AND THEIR CHILDREN NEED AS WELL. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: THE MOTION IS TO OVERRIDE. THOSE IN FAVOR OF OVERRIDING THE VETO PLEASEERATION YOUR -- RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. THOSE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON AN 8-1. MOVING TO APPROVALS. EC-291 IS THE MAYOR'S APPOINTMENT OF MS. COLEMAN TO THE OLD TOWN SPORTS HALL ADVISORY. I MOVE CONFIRMATION. THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND FROM COUNCILOR GROUT. ANY DISCUSSION? COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I DEFER THIS WHILE WE TALKED QUITE A BIT BECAUSE THIS IS AN ISSUE. HOWEVER, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIT DOWN WITH DR. SANCHEZ AND TALK ABOUT THIS. AND STEPS MOVING FORWARD ON HOW TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES. I JUST WANT FOLKS TO KNOW THAT. I MOVE CONFIRMATION. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? WE ARE MOVING CONFIRMATION OF EC-291. THOSE COUNCILORS IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANYONE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. MOVING TO ITEM B. EC-317 IS EARLY HEAD START QUARTERLY BOARD REPORT FOR JULY 2022 THROUGH DECEMBER 2024. I MOVE RECEIPT BE NOTED. THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR RECEIPT ME NOTED FROM COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. COUNCILORS, I KNOW THERE'S SOME DISCUSSION. I THINK COUNCILOR GROUT, WE'LL START WITH YOU. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. ACCORD TO THE ORDINANCE, THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A REPORT FROM THE EARLY HEADSTART GOVERNANCE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE -- I'M NOT SURE WHO I'M SUPPOSED TO BE TALKING TO. DOES THIS INCLUDE A REPORT ON PROGRAM READINESS? >> ASSOCIATE CAO MARTINEZ IS HERE. SHE'S BEEN WORKING ON HEAD START WITH OUR YOUTH AND FAMILY SERVICES DEPARTMENT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. DOES THIS QUARTERLY REPORT THAT YOU GUYS SENT TO US, DOES IT INCLUDE A REPORT ON PROGRAM PERFORMANCE AND SCHOOL READINESS? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, I WOULD LIKE -- IF I MAY, BE ABLE TO CALL UP ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR MOSLEY WHO CAN GIVE YOU MORE INFORMATION ON THAT. >>COUN. GROUT: GOOD EVENING. I'LL ASK FOR A THIRD TIME. DOES THIS -- THESE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU SENT US, DOES IT INCLUDE A REPORT ON PROGRAM PERFORMANCE AND SCHOOL READINESS? >> IT DOES NOT. >>COUN. GROUT: IS THERE AN ATTENDANCE DATA OR FINANCIAL INFORMATION IN IT? >> THERE IS. >>COUN. GROUT: DOES THIS REPORT INCLUDE ANY ANALYSIS? >> IT DOES NOT. >>COUN. GROUT: DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'VE DONE YOUR BEST WORK HERE? >> WITH THIS REPORT, MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, THIS REPORT WAS A BIT DIFFERENT. IN 2022, THERE WAS A HOLD PLACED ON THE QUARTERLY REPORT. I WAS WORKING WITH SENIOR COUNSEL POLICY ANALYSTS WHO SITS ON AS THE LIAISON OF THE EARLY HEAD START COUNSEL AND POLICY COUNSEL. IN 2022, THIS INDIVIDUAL PUT A HOLD ON THE QUARTERLY REPORT. THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SEEING THE DATE RANGE OF THIS REPORT. BASICALLY, THAT HOLD WAS PLACED AS A RESULT OF A COUNCIL MEMBER WANTING TO ESTABLISH A NEW PLATFORM FOR GIVING THESE REPORTS TO CITY COUNCIL. THE CONCERN WITH THESE REPORTS WERE THAT THE DATA THAT YOU ALL WERE RECEIVING WAS HISTORICAL. BY THE TIME YOU RECEIVED IT IT WAS PAST-DATED INFORMATION. SO, WITH THIS PARTICULAR REPORT, IN 2023, I HADN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THE HOLD UP ON THIS REPORT. IN 2023, I REACHED OUT TO THE SAME POLICY ANALYST REQUESTING UPDATES, AT WHICH POINT, AGAIN, I WAS TOLD TO STAND BY BECAUSE THE INFORMATION WAS STILL BEING SEEING ON HOW TO MOVE THE REPORT FORWARD. IN 2024 IS WHEN THE SAME COUNCIL -- SENIOR COUNCIL POLICY ANALYST REACHED OUT SAYING TO RESUME THE REPORT. I WOULD DEFINITELY SAY THE DEPTH AND MAGNITUDE FROM 2022 TO 2024 QUARTERLY REPORT ISN'T AS DETAILED AS IT WOULD HAVE BEEN HAD I JUST BEEN REPORTING ON A SINGLE QUARTER. THIS REPORT WAS TRYING TO CAPTURE A COUPLE YEARS. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. THE QUESTION THAT I ASKED YOU ARE ALL FROM THE ORDINANCE. THAT'S THE INFORMATION THAT -- WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE RECEIVING. WHAT YOU DID SEND US WAS A DATA DUMP. IT WAS NOT A REPORT. IT WAS ALL OF YOU WERE DOCUMENTS. IT WAS NOT A GOOD EFFORT, IN MY OPINION. IT'S TWO YEARS TOO LATE. I THINK THERE'S A REAL DISCONNECT HERE. THE EFFORT IS -- RESPECTFULLY, IT'S NOT MEANT AT YOU, BUT THE DEPARTMENT AND WE HAVE ORDINANCES THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE FOLLOWING AND WE DON'T JUST GET TO PICK AND WHOSE WHEN WE WANT TO DO HAT. WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE FOLLOWING ORDINANCES. I UNDERSTAND ITS BEEN A CHALLENGE TO HIRE TEACHERS AND RETAIN THEM AS WELL, I KNOW THAT THE STATE, THE LEGISLATURE, HAS INCREASED PAYROLL SALARIES FOR THE TEACHERS. SO, WE DON'T HAVE DECEMBER IN THE CITY WE DON'T OFFER THE SAME COMPETITIVE SALARY. SO, WE NEED THIS EARLY HEAD START PROGRAM IN OUR COMMUNITY DESPERATELY. IT'S MUCH NEEDED. I THINK THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER HIRING SOME NONPROFITS, SOME BUSINESSES THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO HANDLE THE JOB FOR US. CAN WE MROERBGS -- EXPLORE THE IDEA OF HIRING A NONPROFIT? COULD THE GRANT FUNDING THAT THE CITY GETS BE SPENT ON THAT? WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, I THINK DIRECTOR SANDOVAL COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT. I CAN SAY HER AND DR. MOSLEY HAVE BEEN MAKING A VERY CONCERTED EFFORT TO INCREASE THE ENROLLMENT AS IT RELATES TO EARLY CHILDHOOD. THEY HAVE BEEN INCREASING THOSE NUMBERS EVERY QUARTER AND THEY HAVE BEEN CLOSELY MONITORING THOSE NUMBERS. I KNOW THAT THEY'RE CLOSELY WORKING WITH THE STATE AS WELL TO INCREASE THE PAY FOR TEACHERS. AND THAT'S BEEN AN ONGOING CONVERSATION. THEY HAVE DEFINITELY BEEN MAKING A CONCERTED EFFORT. THE OTHER THING IS I RESPECTFULLY HEAR YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT THE REPORT THAT WAS SUBMITTED, BUT I THINK DR. MOSLEY WAS TRYING TO DO THE BEST JOB SHE COULD AND WAS ACTUALLY TRYING TO PROVIDE YOU MORE INFORMATION THAN NOT BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN SEVERAL QUARTERS SINCE THERE HAD BEEN A REPORT GIVEN TO YOU BASED ON THE REQUEST BY CITY COUNCIL STAFF. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THANK YOU. I THINK WE NEED TO GET THIS BACK ON TRACK. IT'S AN IMPORTANT DIVISION IN THE CITY. WE HAVE TO HAVE PROPER REPORTING AND WE NEED TO BE FOLLOWING THE GUIDELINES AND RULES. I'M DISAPPOINTED IN THE REPORT. I DON'T THINK IT'S MUCH OF ONE. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT UNDER YOUR LEADERSHIP HOW THIS PROGRAM HAS GROWN FOR FEDERAL FUNDING? I'M SAYING THAT BECAUSE IT'S NOT REFLECTED. AND I KNOW THE IMMENSE OF WORK YOU'RE DOING BECAUSE YOUR INCREASING OUR FEDERAL GRANTS THAT ARE COMING INTO THE CITY. CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT AND MAYBE ADD IT TO THE REPORT? I THINK THAT, FOR ME, KNOWING ABOUT YOUR WORK THAT WAS PHENOMENAL WHAT YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO. >> I WAS SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY TO THE EARLY HEADSTART GRANT. WHEN I CAME ON BOARD WITH THE CITY WE WERE FUNDED JUST OVER $2.1 MILLION. THE FUNDING OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS HAS INCREASED TO I WANT TO SAY $2.5 MILLION. WE HAVE -- BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC, WE WERE GRANTED A REDUCTION OF SLOTS WHILE MAINTAINING THE SAME FUNDING. THE OFFICE OF HEAD START OFFERED ALL RECIPIENTS NATION WIDE THE OPPORTUNITY IF THEY WERE HAVING TROUBLE WITH ENROLLMENT TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF SLOTS BUT MAINTAIN THE FUNDED LEVEL AND REINVEST THOSE FUNDS INTO IMPROVEMENT RETENTION UPGRADES TO OUR FACILITIES. SO, THAT'S BEEN VERY POSITIVE TURN FOR US. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. SINCE THE 2022, HAVE WE REOPENED SINGING ARROW? >> BOTH CENTERS HAVE REOPENED. >>COUN. ROGERS: YEAH. I THINK, FOR ME, TO COUNCILOR GROUT'S POINT IS THAT IS THE STUFF I WANTED TO SEE IN HERE. AND OF COURSE, INCLUDING THE STUFF THAT'S IN THE RESOLUTION. I KNOW THAT WE'RE DOING THE BEST WE CAN WITH THE RESOURCES WE CAN, EVEN THOUGH TRUMBULL WAS CLOSED FOR QUITE A BIT. I'VE SEEN COMMERCIALS, RADIO ADDS. THERE'S A BUZZ IN THE COMMUNITY ABOUT LEAVING THE COMMUNITY AND COMING TO CITY. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT YOU'RE CURRENTLY DOING TO HELP STAFFIC SHORTAGES. FOR THOSE WATCHING, APPLY TODAY SO WE CAN KEEP TAKING CARE OF OUR BABIES. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO THE COMMENTS FROM COUNCILOR GROUT AND JUST MENTION TO YOU THE ENTIRE COUNCIL, COUNCILOR BASSAN AND I, HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT THE REPORT. WE'VE SPOKEN ABOUT THE WORK WE DO TOGETHER BASED UPON THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN IN TERMS OF THE ACCOUNTABILITY TO THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT, IN TERMS OF THE SIGNATURE EXPECTED IN THE HEADSTART REPORTS. WE'VE MADE A COMMITMENT TO WORK TOGETHER AND MEET TO ENSURE WE'RE LOOKING THROUGH A WAY TO IMPROVE NOT ONLY THE REPORTING THAT WE'RE DOING BUT ALSO THE COMMUNICATION. I THINK THAT IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE WE HAVE STAFF WITH THE CITY THAT TOOK DIRECTION AND WORKED WITH COUNCIL SERVICES STAFF. AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE ANY MISCOMMUNICATIONS IN TERMS TO ENSURE WE'RE MEETING THE ORDINANCE AND WORKING AT YOUR DIRECTION. WE'LL MEET EARLY NEXT WEEK TO ENSURE WE'VE WORKED THROUGH THE PROCESSES. OUR TEAM IS FULLY COMMITTED TO NOT ONLY IMPROVING RELATED TO THE ORDINANCE COMPLIANCE AND EXPECTATION BUT UNDERSTANDING WHO IS THE COMMUNICATOR ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNICATOR RELATED TO THAT. THIRD, I THINK LOOKING AT THE ORDINANCE AND HOW IT IS CURRENTLY -- HOW CAN ENSURE IT IS REFLECTED OF WHAT THE CURRENT SETTING IS OR HOW WE SHOULD REINSTATISTIC SOMETHING IF THAT'S THE PATH FORWARD. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE EXPRESSED TO YOU THAT WORK IS UNDERWAY. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILORS, THAT IS A CONVERSATION WE DID HAVE EARLIER TODAY. I KNOW I SPOKE WITH COUNCILOR GROUT WHO EXPRESSED INTEREST IN PARTICIPATING WITH THE MEETING WE HAVE NEXT WEEK. PLEASE MAKE SURE TO INVITE HER AS WELL. I WILL SAY THAT THIS REPORT IS MORE OF A DATA DUMP TO ME AS WELL. I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT. I REALIZE WE NEED TO GET THIS BACK ON TRACK. WHATEVER THAT IS GOING TO TAKE. THAT'S WHY IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO MEET AND GET TOGETHER. A FORMER COUNCILOR USED TO REALLY KEEP HER THUMB ON THIS. IT DAWNED ON ME TODAY THAT WHEN THAT COUNCILOR LEFT THIS COUNCIL IS ALSO WHEN THINGS STARTED TO GET A LITTLE DEFUNKT WITH EVERYTHING. I LOOK FORWARD TO FIGURING OUT AND IRONING OUT DETAILS. THIS IS NOT A GOOD REPORT. THAT'S NOT TRULY MEANT TO BE DISRESPECTFUL TO ANYBODY. THERE'S A LOT PUT IN THERE IN THE LAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS. COUNCILORS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ? THE MOTION IS FOR RECEIPT BE NOTED. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANY OPPOSED? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ALL RIGHT. MOVING TO AGENDA ITEM C, EC-318. -- OVER COMING OPIOID USE DISORDER AND SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER. I MOVE APPROVAL. THERE'S A SECOND FROM MADAM VICE PRESIDENT. LET'S GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST. SO I DON'T FORGET. >> THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. WE HAVE ANAMI DOSS FOLLOWED BY JANICE HERERRA ON ZOOM. >> HELLO MADAM PRESIDENT, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK ON THIS. ALBUQUERQUE'S STATUS AS AN IMMIGRANT FRIENDLY CITY IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO HOLD. WE CAN'T BE RECKLESS WITH THE PEOPLE WHO CONTRACT WITH. AND AN ICE CONTRACTOR IS SOMETHING WE DON'T NEED HERE. HANDLING OPIOID USE DISORDER MAKES NO SENSE. WE HAVE PEOPLE HERE THAT HANDLE OPIOID USE DISORDER. WE HAVE PEOPLE HERE THAT KNOW THE PROBLEMS LOCAL TO ALBUQUERQUE. WE DON'T NEED ANYONE FROM SAN ANTONIO COMING HERE AND SHIPPING OUR PEOPLE AWAY. OR PARTICIPATING IN ANY WAY IN THAT PROCESS. THANK YOU. PLEASE VOTE NO ON THIS. >> JANICE FOLLOWED BY DAVID. >> GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO MY COMMENTS ON FAMILY ENDEAVORS. SOME OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO RAISE ARE THAT WITHIN THE CONTRACT BECAUSE I DO UNDERSTAND AT THIS POINT THERE'S NOT AN OALITY, I THINK WE'RE GOING FORWARD WITH THIS. IN THE CONTRACT, IT SAYS THE SERVICES RENDERED MUST BE POTENTIALLY SECULAR. HAVING PARTICIPATED IN THE SURVEYS THAT WERE CONDUCTED AS PART OF THE OPIOID NEEDS ASSESSMENT THERE'S A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO TALKED ABOUT HOW THEY'RE SPECIFICALLY UNCOMFORTABLE GETTING SERVICES RELIGIOUS OR FAITH-BASED IN NATURE. THAT WORD NEEDS TO BE STRICKEN FROM THE CONTRACT. IT SHOULD SAY THE SERVICES SHOULD BE SECULAR. I DO UNDERSTAND THAT IT ALSO SAYS THEY SHOULD BE OFFERING AA/NA. I BELIEVE THAT SHOULD SAY NA AND AA. BECAUSE THIS MONEY IS COMING FROM THE OPIOID SETTLEMENT FUNDS. THEY NEED TO HAVE NA. I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A DESIRE TO HAVE TREATMENT FOR -- IN THAT CASE HAVE NA AND AA CLASSES AVAILABLE. THOSE ARE A COUPLE OF THE THINGS I NOTICED IN THE CONTRACT. I HOPE IT'S NOT OVERLY DEPENDENT ON TELEHEALTH SERVICES. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU, MS. HERERRA. >> THAT'S GOING TO BE A BARRIER FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE. THAT SHOULD BE IN SOME LIMITATION. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. YOUR TIME IS UP. >> UP NEXT, WE HAVE DAVID HERNANDEZ. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCIL, I AM THE DIRECTOR FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES WITH FAMILY ENDEAVORS. WE ARE -- I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE THAT FOR MORE THAN 55 YEARS ENDEAVORS HAVE BEEN STEADFAST TO SHOW THOSE IN NEED VALUES OF COMPASSION, INTEGRITY, AND ACCOUNTABILITY. WE WORK TO SUPPORT THE VULNERABLE. WE PROVIDE A NUMBER OF LOCALLY-BASED SERVICES FOR COMMUNITIES NATIONWIDE. WE HAVE A ONE-YEAR CONTRACT IN 2021 WITH ICE. THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY TO HEMPERARY HOUSE FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN WHO WERE IN HOUSING HOTELS AND WERE NOT BEING DETAINED. WE HAVE NEVER HAD CONTRACT DETENTION SERVICES. I OVERSAW THOSE OPERATIONS AND AT NO TIME WAS ANY FAMILY PROHIBITED FROM BEING ABLE TO LEAVE. THOSE FAMILIES STAYED BECAUSE THE GOAL WAS TO HELP THEM GET TO THE NEXT DESTINATION, WHICH WAS TO BE A FAMILY MEMBER OR LOVED ONE THAT SUPPORTED THEM. OUR CURRENT CONTRACT WOULD BE WITH HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES. AND THE MOST RECENT CONTRACT WAS IN NOVEMBER. WE SERVE OVER 40,000 CHILDREN CONNECTED WITH FAMILY MEMBERS. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, FOR THE RECORD, I'M UNABLE TO LOCATE HEATHER PHAM AND LEE SHEPHERD. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. HERNANDEZ, IF YOU'RE WATCHING ON ZOOM, COUNCILOR ROGERS HAS A QUESTION. >> I'M STILL HERE. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. JUST A QUESTION. IS ENDEAVORS ABLE TO BILL MEDICAID IN THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO? >> GOOD QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER DIRECTLY TO THAT ONE. I CAN GET THAT ANSWER TO YOU. I KNOW WE CAN IN TEXAS. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE SET UP THERE AS OF TODAY. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM PRESIDENT. ONE MORE QUESTION. CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT YOUR -- WHAT'S THE SITUATION WITH YOUR ORGANIZATION AND FEDERAL FUNDING FROM HUMAN SERVICES? >> WE CURRENTLY HAVE CONTRACT WITH THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES. THAT IS A CONTRACT THAT WE'RE SERVING UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN. THE CONTRACT ENDED AS OF A COUPLE WEEKS AGO. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT MEDICAID BECAUSE IN YOUR APPLICATION IT TALKS ABOUT CLIENT ENGAGEMENT AND IT SAYS OUR PROGRAM WILL ENGAGE CLIENTS WITH MEDICAID AND THE COORDINATED ENTRY SYSTEM. FOR ME, IT'S CRITICAL TO KNOW IF YOU CAN ACTUALLY PILL -- BILL FOR MEDICAID. I'M NOT SURE THAT'S THE CASE IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN ADDRESS IN NEW MEXICO. THE CONTRACT ADDRESS LISTED IS FROM TEXAS. I THINK THE FIRST STEP IN PUTTING IN YOUR APPLICATION IS YOU HAVE ESTABLISHED A BUSINESS IN THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO. I WOULD LOVE TO GET THAT ANSWER, IF POSSIBLE, DIRECTLY FROM ENDEAVORS IF THAT'S POSSIBLE. I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE ADMINISTRATION. >> I KNOW WE APPLIED FOR IT, AND WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF SECURING AN OFFICE. I CAN'T TELL YOU WHERE WE ARE IN THE APPLICATION PROCESS. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I HANDLED. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILORS, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. I'M NOT SURE WHO TO DIRECT THESE TO. I'LL SAY THEM AND ANYONE CAN JUMP IN WITH THE ANSWER. DOES ENDEAVORS CURRENTLY HAVE A CONTRACT WITH ICE? >> NO. WE DO NOT. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: HOLD ON, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. IF YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND MUTE OUR SPEAKERS SO WE CAN HAVE ADMIN BE THE ONE TO RESPOND. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. ENDEAVORS DOES NOT HAVE A CONTRACT WITH ICE. AND DID THEY HAVE ONE WITH ICE PREVIOUSLY? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN YES. THEY HAD A ONE-YEAR CONTRACT IN 2021. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING ALONG WITH MANY OTHER PROVIDERS. AS HE MENTIONED, THEY WERE ASSISTING CHILDREN WHO WERE -- IT WASN'T DETENTION BUT THEY WERE ASSISTING CHILDREN WHO WERE INVOLVED IN IMMIGRATION ISSUES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: MADAM PRESIDENT, THE TYPE OF WORK THEY'RE DOING FOR ICE, IS IT SIMILAR TO THE TYPE OF WORK THAT THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE DID WITH ICE? >> YES, MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN YES. EXACTLY. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: OKAY. FOR THE OTHER FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS, ARE THERE ANY CONTRACTS THAT HAVE INDELVERS WORKING ON DETENTION? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN NO. THE WORK THEY'RE DOING IS CLEARLY NOT RELATED TO DETENTION AT ALL. THEIR FOCUS IS ON IMPROVING THE LIVES OF CHILDREN AND FAMILIES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: ONE MORE QUESTION. IS THERE ANY DANGER UNDER THIS CONTRACT THAT INDELVERS WILL IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM GO AGAINST OUR IMMIGRANT FRIENDLY STATUS BY COLLABORATING WITH ICE? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, I FEEL ABSOLUTELY CONFIDENT THERE'S NO DANGER IN ENDEAVORS WORKING WITH ICE TO GO AGAINST OUR IMMIGRANT-FRIENDLY CITY. THAT IS NOT THERE. IT'S NOT BEEN THEIR MISSION NOR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IN THE PAST. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILORS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I'M GOING BACK TO WHAT ENDEAVORS SAID IN THEIR APPLICATION. I'D LIKE TO DIRECT THIS TO THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM ENDEAVORS. YOUR WRITE UP ABOUT MIGRANT CARE SERVICES SAID WE MANAGE A 3,000 BED CHILDREN CENTER, EIGHT EMERGENCY FAMILY SHELTERS ACROSS TEXAS AND ARIZONA, SERVING 85,000 INDIVIDUALS WITH EXCELLENT RATINGS FROM CPAR FROM ORE AND ICE. CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THAT MEANS? >> GO AHEAD, MR. HERNANDEZ. >> YES. CAN YOU HEAR ME? I'M SORRY. >> WE CAN HEAR YOU. >> IT'S SORT OF LIKE AN ACCREDITATION SERVICE THAT LOOKS AT CONTRACTS AND LOOKS AT HOW WE CONDUCT OURSELVES. THEY USE A FIVE-POINT SCALE TO EVALUATE CONTRACTORS PERFORMANCE AND DETERMINE HOW WE PERFORM AS A CONTRACTOR. THAT'S THE EASIEST WAY TO EXPLAIN IT TO YOU. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU. WHAT IS ORR? >> OFFICE OF REFUGEE AND RESETTLEMENT. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILORS, OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? SO, I HAD ONE CONCERN ABOUT -- I HAVE MULTIPLE CONCERNS. THE ONE THAT'S WORTHY OF SPEAKING ON HAS BEEN REMIEDED. WHEN WE PASSED THIS QUITE A WHILE BACK WE APPROPRIATED AS A COUNCIL $5 MILLION. THERE'S A LOT OF MOVE PARTS TONIGHT. $5 MILLION TO THIS PURPOSE SPECIFICALLY USING OPIOID FUNDS. WHEN I SEE A CONTRACT THAT WAS UP TO $8.1 MILLION IN THREE YEARS, IT'S CONCERNING TO ME TO HEAR HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO THAT WHEN THE COUNCIL HAS APPROPRIATED $5 MILLION. I AM GOING TO ASK TO MAKE SURE THAT MS. BRADLEY LATER WILL FORWARD THE SAME EMAIL AND INFORMATION TO THE FULL COUNCIL SO THEY HAVE THE INFORMATION IN THE CONTRACT ACCORDING TO THE DRAFT CONTRACT SUBMITTED WITH THE EC. APPROPRIATIONS CLAUSE, AND I'M NOT READING THE WHOLE THING, APPROPRIATIONS CLAUSE PAGE FOUR, PARAGRAPH 11, IN TERMINATION FOR CONVENIENCE WITHOUT CAUSE, PAGE 12 THROUGH 13 PARAGRAPH 32, BOTH HAVE IN THERE THAT IF THE CITY NEEDS TO REAPPROPRIATE FUNDS, WHICH THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO AFTER THE $5 MILLION OF OPIOID FUNDING IS USED, THEN THEY NEED TO COME TO THE COUNCIL. IF THEY DO NOT GET MORE MONEY FROM THE COUNCIL, THEN THEY DON'T GET THAT ADDITIONAL $3.1 MILLION. AND THE CONTRACT CAN BE TERMINATED WITH THE PROPER NOTICE WRITTEN IN HERE. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. IT'S NOT THAT ANYONE'S INTENTION TO TERMINATE THE CONTRACT, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE TO FOLLOW EVERYTHING IN THE PROCEDURES WITHIN WHAT WE DID APPROPRIATE IN THAT AND NOT. SO, I ALSO WAS CONCERNED ABOUT MAKING SURE TO COMMIT A FUTURE COUNCIL AND ADMINISTRATION, ALL BE IT, IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE THIS. BUT THAT'S NOT RIGHT FOR US TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND. I'M GLAD THESE CLAUSES ARE IN HERE. I BELIEVE IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE AWARE OF THAT FOR EVERYONE'S BENEFIT TO ENSURE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE TWO POTENTIAL ONE-YEAR EXTENSIONS THAT MIGHT OCCUR AFTERWARDS. MADAM CAO. >> MADAM CHAIR, THANK YOU. JUST WANT TO REITERATE IN THE FY26 BUDGET WE WILL BE WORKING TOWARD THE CONTRACTS THAT WE HAVE INCLUDING THIS ONE WILL BE APPROPRIATED IN THAT BUDGET. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE. WHEN WE ARE -- AS WE DID LAST YEAR, MULTIPLE CONTRACTS WERE OBVIOUSLY WITHIN THE BUDGET FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH, HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS. WE DISCUSSED SEVERAL OF THOSE HERE DURING THAT BUDGET PROCESS. THIS WOULD BE OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE INCLUDED IN THE FY26 BUDGET PROPOSAL THAT WILL COME FORWARD AND WITHIN ANY FUTURE YEARS CONTRACT WOULD BE APPROPRIATED IN A FUTURE BUDGET AS WELL. >>COUN. BASSAN: THAT LEADS ME TO ASK YOU ANOTHER QUESTION. IN THIS FY26 BUDGET, IS IT THE INTENTION OF THE ADMINISTRATION TO INCLUDE THE $3.1 MILLION TO ENCUMBER IT JUST IN CASE? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION. I THINK WE APPROPRIATE FUNDS FOR EACH FISCAL YEAR. I'M LOOKING TO OUR CFO TO MAKE SURE I DON'T MISSPEAK. IN THIS FY26 BUDGET WE WOULD BE ARTICULATING AN INTENT RELATED TO THE FY26 BUDGET REQUIREMENT FOR EACH OF THE CONTRACTS WE WOULD BE PROPOSING FOR APPROPRIATION IN FY26. SO, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M ANSWERING EXACTLY THE 3.1 QUESTION, BUT WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS THAT THE $5 MILLION APPROPRIATED FOR THE COMMUNITY FOR RECOVERY WAS USED FOR CAPITAL AND THE BEGINNING OF THIS OPERATING BUDGET, OPERATING CONTRACT. WE WILL COME TO YOU ALL THROUGH THE FY26 FOR APPROPRIATION FOR THE CONTRACT OF SERVICE PROVIDERS THAT WE WILL INCLUDE IN THAT FY26 BUDGET. >>COUN. BASSAN: HOW MUCH MONEY OR FUNDING DO WE HAVE IN THAT $5 MILLION THAT WILL BE GOING TO THE ACTUAL OPERATIONS OF INITIATING THIS CONTRACT? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, IT WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY $1.7 MILLION. >>COUN. BASSAN: THAT WILL GET US THROUGH THE END OF THIS YEAR? OR THE END OF JUNE? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, ACTUALLY, PAST JUNE. I THINK THE CONTRACT WAS FOR $1.1 MILLION. WE'RE DELAYED IN GETTING IT STARTED. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY, BUT I THINK IT WOULD GET US CLOSE TO THE END OF THE YEAR. >>COUN. BASSAN: WHAT IS THE ESTIMATED COST TO RENOVATE THE FACILITY? >> WE'RE CLOSE TO BEING DONE. I THINK IT WAS A TOTAL OF $5.4 MILLION FOR CAPITAL INVESMENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: WHERE DID THAT MONEY COME FROM? >> THERE WAS OPIOID FUNDS, MADAM PRESIDENT, AND THERE WAS ABOUT $1.8 MILLION THAT CAME -- >>COUN. BASSAN: WHAT ARE THE FUND SOURCES DEBITED TO PAY FOR THIS CONTRACT INCLUDING ANY CONSTRUCTION COST? IS THAT GOING TO BE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE FUTURE FY26 BUDGET? OKAY. I AM CONCERNED THAT WE PUT IN A WHOLE BUNCH OF MONEY, HERE WE GO AGAIN. I GUESS AT THIS POINT I STRUGGLE BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE TO BETTER IDEA FOR HOW TO HELP PEOPLE. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE DO NEED TO CONSIDER. COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. MY QUESTION IS THE SAME AS LAST TIME. WHO WILL BE PROVIDING THE RECOVERY SERVICES? BECAUSE IN THE CONTRACT IT SAYS ENDEAVORS IS REQUIRED TO CONNECT CLIENTS TO SERVICES. WHO IS GOING TO ACTUALLY PROVIDE THIS ON-SITE IF WE'RE TRULY CALLING IT A RECOVERY GATEWAY? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, YOU'RE CORRECT. THEY WOULD BE PROVIDING -- SERVICES. TO THAT SPECIFIC QUESTION, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL UP DEPUTY DIRECTOR FOR THAT. >>COUN. BASSAN: GOOD EVENING, DIRECTOR. >> GOOD EVENING. MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, WE HAVE MET WITH ENDEAVORS. AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE HIRING CERTIFIED PEER SUPPORT WORKERS, CLINICIANS, AS WELL AS RECOVERY COACHES. RECOVERY COACHES ALSO GO BY A VARIETY OF TERMINOLOGIES. THERE'S GOING TO BE ENDEAVOR STAFF TO PROVIDE ON-SITE RECOVERY SERVICE AS WELL AS CONNECTING THE CLIENTS TO SERVICES IN THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE WE WANT THIS TO BE ONGOING CARE. THEY SHOULDN'T JUST GET CARE WHILE THEY'RE HERE, BUT WHEN THEY RETURN TO THE COMMUNITY THEY SHOULD HAVE ESTABLISHED SERVICES. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT IN THE CONTRACT? I'M READING PAGE 16, WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO OFFER ON-SITE ON A 24-7 BASIS. I DON'T SEE THAT. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, IF YOU LOOK ON PAGE 18, IT TALKS ABOUT THERE'S GOING TO BE RECOVERY AND CASE MANAGEMENT AS WELL AS WITHIN TWO WEEKS EVERYONE WILL HAVE A CASE MANAGER AND AN INDIVIDUALIZED SERVICE PLAN STANDARD FOR CASE MANAGEMENT. AND FURTHER DOWN THEY TALK ABOUT A TREATMENT PLAN WHERE EVERYONE IS ASSESSED FOR SUICIDE RISK, OPIOID USE DISORDER AND BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SERVICES. THE TREATMENT PLAN IS A CLINICAL TREATMENT PLAN PROVIDED BY A CLINICIAN. SO, THOSE SERVICES WILL BE PROVIDED AND CONNECTED. AM I UNDERSTANDING YOUR QUESTION CORRECTLY? >> SO, ENDEAVORS IS HIRING ON STAFF CLINICIANS? >> COUNCILOR ROGERS, YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: OKAY. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR BACA, I APOLOGIZE. GO AHEAD. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I'LL BE QUICK. I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET THIS THING OPEN. I FEEL LIKE A RECOVERY CENTER IS NEEDING TO BE DONE YESTERDAY. IT DOES SOUND LIKE WE HAVE SOME SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE TO PROTECT US. I WANT TO GET THAT OUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: ALL RIGHT. COUNCILORS, THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE EC-318. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANY OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON A 6-3 VOTE. MOVING TO FINAL ACTIONS. COUNCILOR GROUT. O-63. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. O-63, THIS IS BY REQUEST. REPEALING CHAPTER 11 ARTICLE 1 PART ONE AND TWO RELATED TO NUISANCE ABATEMENT AND REPLACE IT WITH A NEW NUISANCE ABATEMENT ORDINANCE. I MOVE DO PASS. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILORS, THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND FROM COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. COUNCILOR GROUT TO OPEN. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. MR. COX, WOULD YOU GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THOSE PROPOSED CHANGED? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS YES. O-63 WAS ORIGINALLY HEARD ON FEBRUARY 3rd. AT THAT MEETING THERE WERE A NUMBER OF AMENDMENTS. SO, QUICKLY WITH THE ORIGINAL BILL, THE INTENT WAS TO CLEAN UP A LOT OF DUEPLICATIVE LANGUAGE THAT IS COVERED BY THE STATE OR OTHER ORDINANCES AT THE CITY. IT BROUGHT IN A NUMBER OF ORDINANCES THAT EXIST SUCH AS ANIMAL HUMANE, FIRE CODE, ET CETERA, UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF NUISANCE ABATEMENT ORDINANCE SO THEY ARE ALL CONTROLLED BY ONE SIMILAR LANGUAGE. SOME OF THE LARGER CHANGES OUTSIDE OF THAT ARE ALSO THE CHANGE IN THE FINE AND NOTIFICATION STRUCTURE. ORIGINALLY, IT WAS A THREE-TIERED NOTIFICATION SYSTEM THAT STARTED AS A MAXIMUM OF $200 FINE AND WENT TO MAXIMUM OF $300 AND $500, UNDER THE CHANGE WENT THROUGH A ONE-TIME NOTIFICATION AND MAXIMUM FEE OF $500. AT THE FEBRUARY 3rd MEETING, THERE WERE THREE AMENDMENTS. ONE OF THE AMENDMENTS CHANGED THAT THE -- UNDER THE NEW LANGUAGE SAYING THAT A DAILY FINE OF $500 CAN BE ASSESSED ON ANY NUISANCE AFTER THE FIRST NOTIFICATION AND THAT TIME BUFFER HAS LAPSED. BUT THE AMENDMENT CHANGED TO SAY THAT THIS CAN ONLY HAPPEN UNDER A CASE THAT IS DEEMED IMMINENT HAZARD. THE SECOND AMENDMENT ADDED -- OR REMOVED THE LITTER ORDINANCE FROM THE LIST OF NEW ORDINANCES BROUGHT UNDER THE UMBRELLA LANGUAGE AND THE CONVERSATION OR DISCUSSION AROUND THAT WAS DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE COUNCILOR DID NOT FEEL WEED AND LITTER WERE UP TO THE SAME STANDARDS AS THE OTHER ORDINANCES IN THIS LIST IN TERMS OF IMMINENT HAZARD. THE THIRD AMENDMENT BROUGHT IN LANGUAGE THAT SAID NO PERSON SHALL BE IN VILIGZ OF THIS ORDINANCE IF THE NUISANCE DESIGNATION IS BASED SOLELY ON ALLOWING INDIVIDUALS TO CAMP OR STORE BELONGINGS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. THIS SHOWS UP TWICE WITHIN THIS ORDINANCE NOW. IT WAS TO ENSURE THAT THIS CANNOT BE USED TO CRIMINALIZE OUR HOMELESS COMMUNITY OR POPULATION. ANY QUESTIONS? >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR GROUT TO OPEN. WE DO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. COULD I OFFER THE FLOOR AMENDMENTS? >>COUN. BASSAN: LET'S HEAR FROM THE COMMENTERS AND THEN GO TO AMENDMENTS. >> WE HAVE LISA FOLLOWED BY TAD. >> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR BASSAN, COUNCILORS. THE ONLY COMMENT I HAVE WITH THIS IS I REALLY WANT TO THANK YOU FOR LISTENING AND PAUSING AND INCLUDING SOME OF OUR CONCERNS. THANK YOU. THAT REALLY DOES INSTILL TRUST. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. PREVIOUSLY, ALL THE AMENDMENTS WAS VERY CONFUSING AND HARD TO UNDERSTAND. I APPRECIATE YOU ALL IN TAKING OUR INPUT. AND THANK YOU TO THE CITY. I DON'T OFTEN THANK YOU ALL. YOU GUYS ARE WORKING TOGETHER. WE CAN WORK TOGETHER. WE CAN DO THIS TOGETHER. WE APPRECIATE YOU ALL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> TAD. >> ONE MINUTE AGAIN? NOW, I PURCHASED MY HOUSE 1970. BUILT IN 1951. I REBUILD A SMALL HOUSE, 700 SQUARE FEET. ONCE I REBUILD IT, 1979, ALTOGETHER ALMOST 3,000 SQUARE FEET. THIS HOUSE WAS SOLD FOR $10,8 LAST YEAR IT SOLD JUST SHY OF $400,000. THAT IS 70-PLUS YEARS OLD HOUSE. THAT'S MORE TIME -- THE ISSUE OF THIS ORDINANCE IS -- >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. >> MADAM PRESIDENT. I AM NOT SEEING LEE SHEPHERD. THAT CONCLUDES COMMENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR GROUT, DO YOU WANT TO MOVE AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. MARKED A IN THE PACT. >>COUN. GROUT: FLOOR AMENDMENT A IS IN SECTION 1--1-3. DELETE THE FOLLOWING DEFINITION AND REPLACE AS FOLLOWS. THE SITUATION DEEMS UNUSUAL OR IMMEDIATE ACTION AND WHICH REQUIRES THE CITY TO CIRCUMVENT USUAL PROCEDURES AND WARRANT REQUIREMENTS IN ORDER TO PROTECT THE PERSON'S HEALTH, SAFETY, AND LIFE FROM HARM. AND THIS AMENDMENT CLARIFIES THE DEFINITION OF IMMINENT HAZARD. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A MOTION FOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. SECOND FROM COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THE AND. PREVIOUSLY IT WAS OR. IT SEEMS LIKE PUTTING AND, HEALTH, SAFETY AND LIFE IS A REALLY HIGH BAR THAT COULD JUST SAY LIFE AND IT EXCLUDES LOT OF THINGS THAT COULD BE INJURE TO PEOPLE WITHOUT KILLING THEM. >>COUN. GROUT: CAN WE ASK THE ATTORNEY? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, THIS WAS A REQUEST FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH DEPARTMENT THAT THIS IS THE DEFINITION OF THE UNIFORM USING CODE. THEY WANTED THE DEFINITION TO MATCH BECAUSE THEY RELY ON THOSE PROVISIONS WHEN THEY DO THE OPERATIONS. TO THE 10THS THAT IT'S IN THE UNIFORM HOUSING CODE. IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO ADDRESS AS WELL. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I'M FINE WITH THIS. I THINK IT MAKES IT REALLY HIGH LEVEL OF REQUIREMENT. IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO BE DOING WHAT WE ANTICIPATED. I'M FINE WITH IT EITHER WAY. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILORS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR GROUT TO CLOSE. >>COUN. GROUT: URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION FOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE IS MOVED. THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. OPPOSED? THAT PASSES. COUNCILOR GROUT WITH AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. MARKED B. >>COUN. GROUT: FLOOR AMENDMENT B WOULD BE STARTING ON LINE 20 INSERT A NEW SECTION AS FOLLOWS. RENUMBER SUBSEQUENT SECTIONS. PERSON SHALL NOT BE DEEMED TO HAVE VIOLATED THIS ORDINANCE IF THEY ARE THE VICTIM RATHER THAN THE PERPETRATOR OR ANY CRIMINAL ACTIVITY THAT FORMS THE BASIS OF A NUISANCE DETERMINATION OR IF THEY ARE MERELY PRESENT WHEN NUISANCE ACTIVITY OCCURS. THE EXPLANATION IS THAT VICTIMS OF A CRIME WILL NOT BE IN VIOLATION OF A CRIME BASED ON NUISANCE DETERMINATION. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A MOTION, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO? THOSE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON A 9-0 VOTE. COUNCILOR GROUT, AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE MARKED C IN YOUR PACKET. >>COUN. GROUT: THIS ONE IS IN SECTION 11-1-16 PAGE SIX, STARTING ON LINE 15 DELETE SUBSECTION C AND ADD A NEW SUBSECTION AS FOLLOWS. THE PERSON SHALL NOT BE DEEMED TO HAVE VIOLATED THIS ORDINANCE IF A NUISANCE DETERMINATION IS BASED SOLELY ON INCIDENTS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND THE PERSON IS DETERMINED TO BE THE VICTIM IN THOSE INCIDENTS. THE EXPLANATION FOR THIS IS WHEN A NUISANCE DETERMINATION IS BASED ON DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, THE VICTIMS WILL NOT BE IN VIOLATION OF THE ORDINANCE BUT SIMILAR LANGUAGE. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A MOTION. SECOND FROM COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR GROUT TO CLOSE. >>COUN. GROUT: URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE. RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANY OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON A 9-0 VOTE. COUNCILOR GROUT, AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. FLOOR AMENDMENT D, SECTION 11-1-17, PAGE SIX, STARTING ON LINE 32, AMEND SECTION A AS FOLLOWS. ANY PERSON BOUND TO HAVE BEEN ENGAGED IN LAWFUL ACTIVITY ESTABLISHED IN SECTION 1-1-6A SHALL AND IT CONTINUES. THIS AMENDMENT ADDS SPECIFICITY TO THE PENALTY PROVISION OF THE ORDINANCE. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN WITH THE SECOND. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR GROUT TO CLOSE. >>COUN. GROUT: I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF AMENDMENT FOUR TO O-63 RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANY OPPOSED? THAT PASSES. 9-0. >>COUN. GROUT: AMENDMENT NUMBER FIVE, MARKED E IN YOUR iPAD. >>COUN. GROUT: FLOOR AMENDMENT E, SECTION 11-1-1-9 PAGE NINE, STARTING ON LINE 27, AMEND SECTION A AS FOLLOWS, IN ADDITION TO ANY OTHER REMEDIES AVAILABLE IN THIS ORDINANCE OR UNDER THE COMMON LAW, THE MAYOR'S DESIGNEE MAY IMPOSE A CIVIL FINE OF 5 $00 PER DAY AS DEFINED HEREIN, PROVIDED THAT THE DAILY $500 FINE SHALL BE IMPOSED IN THE CASE OF IMMINENT HAZARD. THIS ADDS CLARIFYING LANGUAGE TO THE CIVIL FINE OF THIS ORDINANCE. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A MOTION AND IS THERE A SECOND? COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN SECONDS. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ? COUNCILOR GROUT TO CLOSE. >>COUN. GROUT: I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION FOR A DO PASS OF AMENDMENT NUMBER FIVE TO O-63. THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANYONE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON AN 8-1. COUNCILOR GROUT, AMENDMENT NUMBER SIX, MARKED F IN YOUR PACKET. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. MADAM PRESIDENT, FLOOR AMENDMENT F, I'M NOT GOING TO READ THIS WHOLE THING. IN SECTION 11-1-2-5 PAGE 27, STARTING ON LINE 25 AMEND SECTIONS C AND D AS FOLLOWS. THIS AMENDMENT REMOVES REQUIREMENTS FOR APD AND ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO SET AND CONFIRM STANDARDS FOR CLEAN UP FOR DRUG LABS SINCE THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES CLEAN UP BY PROFESSIONAL INDUSTRIAL AND ENVIRONMENTAL HYGIENISTS, THEY WILL ENSURE ADHERENCE TO UPDATED PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION FOR DO PASS. SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR GROUT TO CLOSE. >>COUN. GROUT: URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILORS, THIS IS AMENDMENT SIX. THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. OPPOSED? COUNCILOR LEWIS, I DIDN'T SEE YOU. ARE YOU YES? OKAY. THAT PASSES ON AN 8-1 VOTE. MOVING TO AMENDMENT 7. >>COUN. GROUT: FLOOR AMENDMENT G, SECTION 11-1-1-3 PAGE THREE, STARTING ON LINE 28, DELETE SECTION ENTIRELY. AND PAGE SIX, STARTING ONLINE 28 DELETE SECTION D. ALLOWING INDIVIDUALS TO CAMP ON PRIVATE PROPERTY UNLESS THE PROPERTY IS ZONED ASK DESIGNATED IS A VIOLATION OF THE IDO. THIS AMENDMENT STRIKES THIS PROVISION ENTIRELY. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION FOR AMENDMENT SEVEN. IS THERE A SECOND? COUNCILOR CHAMPINE WITH THE SECOND. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THIS WAS ORIGINALLY MY AMENDMENT LAST TIME. IT DID PASS. I BELIEVE 8-1. PERHAPS 7-2. I DID NOT HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK THAT UP. I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED TO SEE IT COMING BACK. I THINK WE HEARD OVER AND OVER AGAIN FROM THE PUBLIC VERY, VERY STRONG CONCERNS THAT THIS ORDINANCE IS ABOUT PUNISHING OUR UNHOUSED NEIGHBORS. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IS THE POINT OF THE ORDINANCE. I THINK THIS ORDINANCE IS NEEDED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO LOOK AT NUISANCE PROPERTY AND HELP US CLEAN UP OUR CITY. THIS AMENDMENT WAS ORIGINALLY PUT IN THERE TO SAY IF THERE'S OTHER THINGS GOING ON AS WELL, THAT'S ONE THING. BUT THIS ORDINANCE IS NOT MEANT TO BE AN ADDITIONAL TOOL AGAINST UNHOUSED FOLKS. THERE ARE PLENTY OF TOOLS AS MENTIONED IN THE EXPLANATION. IT'S ALREADY AGAINST THE IDO, IT'S ALREADY IN THE PUBLIC CAMPING ORDINANCE. SO, THE REQUEST AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH AGAIN PASSED PRETTY -- 7-2, I BELIEVE, WAS TO GIVE FOLKS ASSURANCE THAT IS NOT THE POINT OF THIS NUISANCE ABATEMENT ORDINANCE. I URGE US TO KEEP THAT IN THERE TO MOVE ON WITH THE NUISANCE ORDINANCE THAT REALLY WORK FOR THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND ALLOWS US TO DO THE WORK THEY NEED TO DO UNDER THE ORDINANCE. >>COUN. BASSAN: OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR GROUT TO CLOSE. >>COUN. GROUT: URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION FOR DO PASS OF AMENDMENT NUMBER SEVEN. THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. THOSE OPPOSED? I DIDN'T SEE. I THINK IT'S 5-4. THAT PASSES ON A 5-4 VOTE. MOVING ON, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I MOVE FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER EIGHT, ON PAGE 2, LINES 30, 31 ADD THE SUBSECTION TO ADD THE CLAUSE IF THE CITY ISSUED CITATIONS DOCUMENTING THE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY OCCURRED ON -- >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A MOTION, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND FROM MADAM VICE PREST. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THIS IS SOMETHING WE DISCUSSED A LOT ON THE DAIS LAST TIME. THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN IS ANY CRIMINAL ACTIVITY ON THREE OR MORE OCCASIONS AND I ASKED WHAT CRIMINAL ACTIVITY WAS AND THE CITY ATTORNEY HAD SAID THAT PROBABLY DOES NEED TO BE CLEANED UP. I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE IN THE PACKET THAT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD. IT'S NOT THERE. I THREW THIS TOGETHER RIGHT BEFORE. I THINK WE NEED TO CLARIFY WHAT CRIMINAL ACTIVITY MEANS IN THIS ORDINANCE. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? >>COUN. GROUT: MADAM PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. CAN WE ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY WHAT SHE THINKS? >> COUNCILOR BASSAN, COUNCILOR GROUT, THANK YOU. I THINK THIS IS FINE. I'M JUST WONDERING, SOMETIMES APD ISSUES CITATIONS, SOMETIMES IT MAKES ARRESTS. I WOULD THROW THAT OUT THERE TO THE COUNCIL WHETHER THEY WANT TO INCLUDE ARRESTS AS AN OPTION. AS OPPOSED TO ONLY CITATION. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: MADAM PRESIDENT, I AM FINE WITH ADDING CITATIONS OR ARRESTS. AGAIN, I HAD NOT KNOWN I NEEDED TO DO THIS. I CLEARLY FOLLOWED UP SEVERAL TIMES. ADDING THE WORD CITATION OR ARRESTS, I THINK THAT WOULD BE FINE. >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM VICE PRESIDENT, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? -- COUNCILOR GROUT, ANYTHING TO ADD? OKAY. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN TO CLOSE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. I THINK WE NEED TO BE REALLY CLEAR ABOUT WHAT THIS ORDINANCE MEANS. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION FOR AMENDMENT NUMBER EIGHT TO O-63. THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE'RE BACK ON THE BILL AS AMENDED. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I JUST WANT TO SAY I THOUGHT WE'RE MOVING TOWARD A REALLY GOOD DOCUMENT THAT HAD WHAT WE NEEDED TO GET NUISANCE SITUATIONS TAKEN CARE OF. AND THEN WE PASSED AN AMENDMENT TONIGHT THAT UNDOES WHAT THE CITIZENS OF OUR CITY HAD ASKED FOR PRETTY LOUDLY AT THE LAST MEETING. THAT UNFORTUNATELY MEANS I WON'T BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS BILL. AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S A SHAME. I DO BELIEVE THE POINT OF THIS BILL WAS NUISANCE BUILDINGS AND ALLOWING US TO CLEAN UP OUR CITY. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILORS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR GROUT TO CLOSE. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. MADAM PRESIDENT, MS. KEEFE COULD YOU TELL US WHY THIS NUISANCE ABATEMENT ORDINANCE NEEDED TO BE UPDATED? >> COUNCILOR BASSAN, COUNCILOR GROUT, THANK YOU. CITY LEGAL HAD RAISED THIS ISSUE WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AFTER A HEARING IN FRONT OF A JUDGE WHERE THE JUDGE EXPRESSED CURRENT CONCERN ABOUT AMBIGUITY IN THE ORDINANCE AND WHETHER IT WOULD BE ENFORCEABLE. WE BEGAN TRYING TO MAKE AMENDMENTS. AROUND THE SAME TIME THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WAS LOOKING TO EXPANDING THE ABILITY TO SEND SOME CITATIONS TO THE INDEPENDENT HEARING OFFICE INSTEAD OF GOING TO COURT. THAT HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN OTHER AREAS. WE COMBINED THOSE TWO EFFORTS AND MADE A SERIES OF AMENDMENTS TO -- THREE SECTIONS OF THE ORDINANCE. IF YOU NOTICE, THE LAST THREE SECTIONS REALLY ARE VERY MUCH UNTOUCHED. TO TRY AND CLARIFY LANGUAGE TO EXPLAIN WHAT A NUISANCE IS. THAT'S A DUE PROCESS REQUIREMENT. WHEN YOU HAVE AN ORDINANCE, IT HAS TO PUT THE PUBLIC ON NOTICE OF WHAT WOULD VIOLATE THE ORDINANCE. THAT WAS WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO. ALSO, TO CLARIFY WITH THE DIFFERENT PROCEDURES, THEY WERE REARRANGED SO FROM THE LIGHTEST TO THE HEAVIEST BUT TO LAY OUT THE BUNDLE OF OPTIONS THAT THE CITY HAS WHEN CONFRONTED WITH A NUISANCE. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. VACANT AND DILAPIDATED PROPERTIES ARE A PROBLEM IN OUR SIT -- CITY. I SEE THEM EVERY DAY. AROUND MY BUSINESS ALONE, THERE ARE, IN A SIX-BLOCK RADIUS, THERE ARE SIX HOUSES THAT HAVE BEEN REAL PROBLEMS. TWO OF THEM HAVE BURNED DOWN AND HAVE BEEN REMOVED IN THE LAST YEAR. THREE OF THEM HAVE BEEN BURNED ON AND OFF A LOT. SO, THAT DILAPIDATION BRINGS DOWN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE JUST NEED TO HAVE BETTER RULES IN PLACE AND PROCEDURES FOR OUR OFFICIALS TO BE ABLE TO ENFORCE RULES. I PERSONALLY AM NOT -- WHEN -- I'M NOT LOOKING AT -- I DON'T THINK -- THE FIRST THING I'M THINKING ABOUT IS NOT -- I'M THINKING ABOUT PROPERTY. I'M NOT THINKING ABOUT THE FOLKS THAT ARE ON THE STREET. I WANT TO GET THOSE PEOPLE INTO HOMES AND INTO SHELTERS AND INTO TREATMENT AND STABLE HOUSING. THIS IS ABOUT PROPERTY ITSELF. FOR ME, THAT'S WHY I SOME SUPPORTING THESE CHANGES. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: WE ARE BACK ON O-63 AS AMENDED. THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. OPPOSED? THAT LOOKS LIKE IT PASSES ON A 6-3 VOTE. I THINK WE CAN GET THROUGH THE NEXT ONE RELATIVELY QUICKLY. O-70 IS COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE RELATING TO PUBLIC BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND COMMITTEES. I MOVE A DO PASS. SECOND FROM MADAM VICE PRESIDENT. THIS PASSED THROUGH COMMITTEE UNANIMOUSLY. THERE'S A COUPLE COMMENTS I'M GOING TO SAY ABOUT THIS AND RIGHT BEFORE WE GO TO DINNER FOR THOSE ATTENDING TONIGHT. IT'S MY INTENTION, FOR THOSE OF YOU, IF SOMETHING PASSES WITH RECOMMENDATION UNANIMOUSLY FROM COMMITTEE, IN ORDER TO AVOID WHAT I'M ABOUT TO DO, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE RESPECT THAT FIVE COUNCILORS VOTE IN FAVOR OF SOMETHING AND RECOMMENDING IT, THEREFORE FIVE COUNCILORS ARE GOING TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF IT HERE. TO SHORTEN SOME OF THE AMOUNT OF TIME WE DISCUSS, AMEND, REAMEND, REDISCUSS ALL OF THE THINGS, I HAVE INSTRUCTED STAFF MOVING FORWARD THAT IF SOMETHING PASSES COMMITTEE UNANIMOUSLY WITH RECOMMENDATION, EVEN IF IT'S BEEN AMENDED, TO PUT THINGS ON CONSENT AGENDA. I URGE YOU TO PAY ATTENTION, AND IF YOU NEED TO PULL SOMETHING FROM CONSENT, I HOPE THIS IS GOING TO HELP US UTILIZE COMMITTEES THE WAY I WAS ALWAYS TOLD THEY WERE, AND I KNOW YOU HEARD ME SAY BEFORE. THAT IS MY HOPE AND INTENTION WITH THIS. SINCE -- I ACCIDENTLY, I GUESS, I DON'T KNOW, NOW IT'S HERE. I AM OPENING THIS CAN OF WORMS. I HAVE AN AMENDMENT TO MOVE. AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE IS CHANGING THE AMOUNT OF TIME, THE ORIGINAL BILL SAID THREE MONTHS BEFORE ONE NAME CAN MOVE THE MAYOR. IT WAS AMENDED TO SAY 45 DAYS BLCH EYED LIKE TO MOVE I WOULD HAVE INTENDED TO SAY TO ALL OF YOU THAT WE HAVE TO ALLOW CONSTITUENTS A DECENT AMOUNT OF TIME TO APPLY FOR COMMITTEES. MY CONCERN IS FINDING THE BALANCE OF LETTING IT BE TOO LONG VERSUS TOO SHORT AND WHERE DO WE STRIKE THAT BALANCE. MAKING SURE TO WORK WITH ADMIN BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING I WORKED WITH THEM ON PRIOR TO ALL THAT COMING HERE, 60 DAYS IS SOMETHING IN THE STANDARD FOR HOW LONG WE HAVE WITH OTHER THINGS. I'M SPLITTING THE DIFFERENCE. I WANT TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW PEOPLE IN ALBUQUERQUE TO APPLY FOR THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WHILE GIVING THEM THAT AMOUNT OF TIME FOR US TO VALUE AND SEND FORWARD ONE NAME. I THINK 45 DAYS IS A QUICK TURNAROUND WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT APPLICATIONS AND GOVERNMENT TIME AND INTRODUCTION AND AGENDAS. I AM MOVING FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. THERE'S A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR GROUT. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, COUNCILORS? COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. JUST PROCESS QUESTIONS. I HAVE SEVERAL BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS VACANT BECAUSE I ONLY HAVE ONE APPLICANT. THE 60-DAY PERIOD IS THE TIME IT'S VACANT TO THE TIME WE HAVE AN APPLICANT? >>COUN. BASSAN: I'M GOING TO DEFER TO STAFF TO MAKE SURE TO CLARIFY AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. IT'S FROM WHEN WE'RE NOTIFIED OF VACANCY WE CAN SEEK APPLICANTS. I'M SEEING A NOD. >> THE CLOCK WOULD START TICKING WHEN THE VACANCY OCCURS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU ONE MORE FOLLOW UP. IT SAYS WITHIN A 60-DAY PERIOD WHICH MEANS WE CAN SEND THEM UP AHEAD OF THE 60-DAY DEADLINE OR WE HAVE TO WAIT THE FULL 60 DAYS FROM THE VACANCY TO SEND THE ONE APPLICANT? >>COUN. BASSAN: I'M GOING TO REFER TO THE ATTORNEY ON THAT. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS YOU WOULD HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE 60 DAY PERIOD TO LAPSE TO LEAVE THAT WINDOW OPEN FOR APPLICATIONS TO COME IN. ONCE THAT TIME PASSES, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND SUBMIT ONE NAME IF ONLY ONE NAME IS RECEIVED. >>COUN. ROGERS: SO, IF WE DO PASS THIS TONIGHT, AND I HAVE VACANCIES ALREADY THAT HAVE BEEN VACANT FOR LONGER THAN 60 DAYS, I SUBMIT THOSE? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, THIS WOULD NOT GO INTO EFFECT IMMEDIATELY. THE BILL WOULD HAVE TO BECOME EFFECTIVE FIRST. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>COUN. BASSAN: THE INTENTION IS TO MAKE SURE WE -- IF WE HAVE ONE APPLICANT FOR A YEAR, WE CAN MINIMIZE SOME OF THAT AND ACTUALLY FILL THOSE BOARDS WITH VOLUNTEERS THAT WANT TO GIVE TIME. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANYONE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON AN 8-1 VOTE. WE'RE BACK ON O-70. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? WE DO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. ANAMI DOSS FOLLOWED BY TAD COMES NIEYMINSKI. >> HI, AGAIN. MADAM PRESIDENT, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK ON THIS. THE REASON I CONTRIBUTED TO THIS PROPOSAL IS BECAUSE THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS A VERY BIG INTEREST IN KEEPING EVERYTHING AS CHEAP AS POSSIBLE AS UNSTAFFED AS POSSIBLE. AS YOU CAN SEE WITH WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. THIS CONTRIBUTION I MADE WITH THE SECTION TWO OF THE ORDINANCE WAS INTENDED TO MAKE IT SO THAT BOARD MEMBERS WOULD BE BETTER PREPARED TO DEAL WITH THE NONSENSE THAT COMES WITH THIS ADMINISTRATION. SPEAKING OF THE ADMINISTRATION'S NONSENSE, I FORGOT WHAT IT WAS. OKAY. GOOD-BYE. >> TAD. >> THANK YOU. WELL, LOOKING HERE, WHAT CAUGHT MY ATTENTION, BOARDS, COMMITTEES, AND COMMISSIONER. WHO ARE THOSE PEOPLE? WHAT DO WE GET FROM THEM? ZERO. BECAUSE ALL ARE SPECIAL INTERESTS, INCLUDING SOME LAWYERS IS HERE IN ALBUQUERQUE. IN ALL THIS. WHEN I USED TO GO TO COMMITTEE MEETINGS, YES, THEY LOVED ATTENDING A PERSON WHO I WAS SUING. THAT'S HOW CORRUPT THAT SYSTEM IS HERE. CORRUPTION EXIST AT EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK AT. WE NEED AND TRUMP AND FROM ALL THOSE PEOPLE. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, THAT CONCLUDES COMMENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. COUNCILORS, ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. WE ARE ON O-70. THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANYONE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON AN 8-1 VOTE. BEFORE WE GO TO DINNER BREAK, I WANT TO MAKE SURE TO ACKNOWLEDGE, I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF IMPORTANT PEOPLE IN THE CHAMBERS. THAT RANGES FROM EVERYONE HERE REGULARLY, TO THE PEOPLE HERE NOW FOR TONIGHT. I KNOW THERE'S IMPORTANT BUSINESS TO BE HAD. IT IS NOT I'M HOPING TO DELAY OR DISRESPECT ANYONE IN YOUR TIME FRAME. HOWEVER, I ALSO WANT TO SET SOME CONSISTENCY, IN MAKING SURE PEOPLE ARE AWARE IF YOU HAVE AN IMMEDIATE ACTION REQUEST, IT IS GOING TO BE MY INTENTION MOVING FORWARD THAT ALL OF THE BUSINESS THAT HAS GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS BEFORE HAS BEEN HEARD IN THE ORDER ON THE AGENDA, AND ANY IMMEDIATE ACTION WILL BE THE NEW ITEMS TOWARD THE END. PLEASE UNDERSTAND, I KNOW YOU WORK HARD, I KNOW ALL OF YOU ARE GIVING A GREAT DEAL OF SERVICE TO OUR CITY AT EVERY EVERY LEVEL. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE WE HAVE A LEVEL OF EXPECTATION TO SET FOR EVERYONE ON A REGULAR BASIS. WITH THAT, WE'RE GOING TO GO TO BEENER FOR 30 WE'LL BE BACK HERE AT TEN TO 8:00. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR PEÑA. MADAM PRICE PRESIDENT. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I'M ACTUALLY LOOKING FOR MY ITEM. IN THE MEANTIME, THIS IS BY REQUEST. ADJUSTING APPROPRIATION FOR THE MARIJUANA INVESTMENT FUND. I MOVE DO PASS. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION AND SECOND FROM COUNCILOR ROGERS. COUNCILOR PEÑA TO OPEN. >>COUN. PEÑA: I'LL JUST BRIEFLY SAY THIS RESOLUTION ADDRESSED $4 MILLION TO THE MARIJUANA EQUITY AND INREINVESTMENT FUND UNDER THE DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE AND DAEFB SERVICE REINVESTMENT AND EXPANDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR POPULATIONS HISTORICALLY IMPACTED BY MARIJUANA CRIMINALIZATION WHILE FORMALIZING THE APPROPRIATION, RESOLUTION -- THAT'S IT. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. BASSAN: ALL RIGHT. SO, WE HAVE AN OPENING. LET'S GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. AND WE'LL GO TO COUNCILORS COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. UP FIRST IS CATHERINE McGILL FOLLOWED BY EMMANUEL ASSAYNE. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, THE LATENESS OF THE HOUR AFFECTS MY ABILITY TO BE ELOQUENT. I'M THE FOUNDER AND DIRECTOR OF THE NEW MEXICO BLACK LEADERSHIP COUNCIL. WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE FROM TALK TO ACTION. YEARS AGO, OUR COMMUNITY FOUGHT TO KEEP WHITTIER ELEMENTARY OPEN WHEN IT WAS ON THE BRINK OF CLOSURE. WE WON THAT BATTLE FOR THE CHILDREN. KEEPING THE DOORS OPEN WASN'T ENOUGH. IT WAS THE FIRST DEEP IS NOT THE FINISH LINE. NOW WE THE CHANCE TO GIVE THE STUDENTS AND FAMILIES THE SUPPORT THEY NEED TO TRULY THRIVE. SAYING YOU SUPPORT SOMETHING IS ONE THING, INVESTING IN IT IS QUITE ANOTHER. IT'S A CHARITY AND INVESTMENT IN RECIPROCAL ACCOUNTABILITY WHERE FAMILIES, SITLY LEADERS, AND THE COMMUNITY HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME. THERE'S NO DOWNSIDE TO SAYING YES ON THE SIGNIFICANT RETURNS. EVERY DOLLAR WILL BE USED TO LIFT UP OUR MOST VULNERABLE FAMILIES. COUNCILORS, WE'RE ASKING YOU TO DO THE SAME. THANK YOU. WE URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >> EMMANUEL FOLLOWED BY ALINA. ALINA ON ZOOM FOLLOWED BY ANN LYNN. >> I HOPE EVERYBODY CAN HEAR ME OKAY. I'M THE FAMILY LEE LIAISON. I THINK THIS WILL BE A LOT MORE REWARDING IN THE LONG-TERM THAN THE ALTERNATIVE. SO, WE SEE A LOT OF DATA AND A LOT OF EVIDENCE THAT PROVES THIS TO BE REALLY SUCCESSFUL IN COMMUNITIES. I WOULD LIKE TO CITE MAGNOLIA MOTHERS IN JACKSON, MISSISSIPPI AS A REALLY SUCCESSFUL EXAMPLE OF THIS. LOOKING AT OUR KIDS, WE HAVE SO MANY WHO ARE VERY DISREGULATED. THEY NEED A LOT OF SUPPORT. FINANCIAL SUPPORT WILL GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE WITH SCHOOL AND THEIR COMMUNITY IN A MUCH MORE -- I GUESS, HEALTHIER WAY. I HOPE YOU GUYS SUPPORT THIS BILL. >> ANN LYNN FOLLOWED BY JODY. >> GOOD EVENING, MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCIL MEMBERS. I AM THE CEO OF PROSPERITY WORKS. I'M IN STRONGPORT OF R-116. WE HAVE A 20-YEAR HISTORY OF ELIMINATING POVERTY. ONE OF THE PROVEN POLIIES IS GUARANTEED BASIC INCOME. IT IN THE RESEARCH ON BASIC INCOME PILOTS BY NEW MEXICO VOICES FOR CHILDREN, THERE'S STRONG EVIDENCE FOR THESE TYPES OF PROGRAMS INCLUDING INCREASES JOB SECURITY, AND NOTICEABLE EDUCATIONAL OUTCOMES. THIS CLOSES THE RACIAL WEALTH GAP. I STRONGLY URGE YOUR SUPPORT OF R-116. >> JODY FOLLOWED BY DIANA. >> GOOD EVENING, MADAM PRESIDENT COUNCILORS. A GUARANTEED INCOME EFFORT IS A CRUCIAL PART OF STRATEGY TO ENHANCE FINANCIAL STABILITY IN OUR COMMUNITY. BY PROVIDING A GUARANTEED BASIC INCOME THE FINANCIAL STRESS THAT MANY FAMILIES FACE IS ADDRESSED. THIS INITIATIVE WILL NOT ONLY HELP FAMILIES MEET IMMEDIATE NEEDS BUT EMPOWER THEM FOR A SECURE FINANCIAL FUTURE. WHEN FAMILIES HAVE STABILITY THEY'RE ABLE TO REACH GOALS AND LONG-TERM EMPLOYMENT. BY ENSURING THAT FAMILIES HAVE A RELIABLE SOURCE OF INCOME WE'RE HELPING THEM ACHIEVE GREATER FINANCIAL STABILITY. THIS INITIATIVE IS NOT JUST ABOUT PROVIDING FINANCIAL AID, IT IS ABOUT EMPOWERING FAMILIES TO THRIVE AND SUCCEED IN THE LONG-TERM. FOR THESE REASONS, UNITED WAY OF NORTH CENTRAL NEW MEXICO SEES GUARANTEED INCOME AS A MEANS OF ACHIEVING FAMILY STABILITY. WE SUPPORT THIS INITIATIVE. THANK YOU. >> DIANE FOLLOWED BY CARLA. >> GOOD EVENING, MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'M SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OF R-25-116. AS A SENIOR MANAGER AT YOUTH DEVELOPMENT INCORPORATED, WE SERVE OVER 8,000 INDIVIDUALS A YEAR. AND THE DIVISION THAT I SUPERVISE, 80% OF THE INDIVIDUALS PRESENTING FOR SERVICE AT ANY OF THE 25 PROGRAMS UNDER THE PREVENTION INTERVENTION AND BEHAVIORAL HEALTH DIVISION ARE STRUGGLING WITH SUBSTANCE ABUSE OR MENTAL HEALTH DISORDERS. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT FUNDS FROM THE MARIJUANA REINVESTMENT FUND WILL GO TO ENTITIES TO EXPAND AND ENHANCE SERVICES IN THE PREVENTION AND INTERVENTION AND TREATMENT WHICH ARE SORELY NEEDED. I STRONGLY SUPPORT YOUR CONSIDERATION AND URGE YOU TO PASS THIS RESOLUTION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> CARLA FOLLOWED BY DR. ROBERT. >> GOOD EVENING, MADAM PRESIDENT COUNCILORS. I'M PRESIDENT AND CEO OF THE BLACK CHAMBER OF COMMERCE OF NEW MEXICO. THERE'S OVER 50 CITIES ALREADY DOING GUARANTEED INCOME PROGRAMS. I BELIEVE IF WE PROVIDE INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES WITH GUARANTEED DEPENDABLE MUNLY INCOME IT WILL STABILIZE THE UNSTABLE MARKET FOR MARGINALIZED HOUSEHOLD. THIS CAN MEAN THE DIFFERENCE IN MITIGATING FOOD INSECURITIES, AND BEING ABLE TO PAID FOR TRANSPORTATION, AND ISSUES REGARDING THOSE THAT ARE ENTERING ON AN UNHOUSE ARENAS. IT'S CRUCIAL NOW THAN EVER BEFORE THAT WE LEND A HELPING HAND TO THE VULNERABLE POPULATION. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THIS IS BASED ON NON-PARTISAN PRINCIPLES AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE TAKE CARE OF THOSE THAT NEED OUR ASSISTANCE. >> DR. SIMS FOLLOWED BY ALFRED. >> I AM THE PROUD SCHOOL PRINCIPLE OF WHITTIER ELEMENTARY. I RESPECTFULLY CALL TO ACTION AND REQUEST YOUR 9-0 UNANIMOUS VOTE CASTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS PILOT PROGRAM. WHY THESE CHILDREN AND THEIR FAMILIES BECAME STRICKEN WITH SYSTEMIC PROV POVERTY AND PERILILOUS TIMES. AND GIVE THEM HOPE AND OPTIMISM AND REALISTIC PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS WHILE RESETTING THEIR LIVE AND OPPORTUNITIES TO HELP THE ENDS FINALLY MEET WITHOUT HAVING TO ROB PEAT DOOR PAY PAUL. YOU CAN HAVE THE CHILDREN TO GROW UP AND REMEMBER YOU FOR INVESTING AND VOTING YES INSTEAD OF VOTING NO FOR FINANCIAL EQUITY AND JUST FORS THEM. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. >> SUMANTHA FOLLOWED BY THERESA. >> I THOUGHT -- >> MY MISTAKE. ALFRED. GO AHEAD, SIR. I APOLOGIZE. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF R-25-116. I AM A PROFESSOR AND FORMER DEAN OF THE UNM SCHOOL OF LAW AND UNPAID VOLUNTEER WITH THE NEW MEXICO BLACK LEADERSHIP COUNCIL. MY VIEWS ARE NOT OF THE UNIVERSITY. I SUPPORT THIS PROGRAM. THEY HAVE BEEN MORE THAN 100 PILOT PROGRAMS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. AND WE HAVE LEARNED FROM THOSE PROGRAMS ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT ARE GIVING EDUCATIONAL BENEFITS TO CHILDREN IN DECIDING THIS ONE. THIS PROGRAM IS A DOUBLE BRAIDED SAFETY ROPE REDUCING CHRONIC ABSENTEEISM AND IMPROVING EDUCATIONAL OUTCOMES FOR CHILDREN. THEY WILL PROVIDE ONE BRAID OF UNCONDITIONAL PASH PAYMENT AND ANOTHER IN THE FORM OF WRAPAROUND SERVICES. THIS PROGRAM, LIKE ALL OTHER GBI PROGRAMS GIVES FAMILIES AND INDIVIDUALS THE FREEDOM TO MAKE THEIR OWN FINANCIAL -- AND LIFT THEM SELF-OUT OF POVERTY. >> SAMANTHA FOLLOWED BYTRESIA. >> I WORK WITH NEW MEXICO BLACK LEADERSHIP COUNCIL. I'M GOING TO READ -- DR. DUANE ROSS. THE HISTORICAL SUPPORT FOR GUARANTEED BASIC INCOME IS KNOWN. THE ECONOMIC IMPACT HAS BEEN DEMONSTRATED IN SEVERAL LOCATIONS IN THIS COUNTRY. A GUARANTEED BASIC INCOME ALSO HAS A BENEFICIAL EFFECT ON PEOPLE'S HEALTH. EXTRA MONEY ALLOWS TO SPEND MORE ON FOOD, REDUCES DISEASE STRESS AND CONTRIBUTE TO MEDICAL COPAYMENTS. THE IMPACT OF A FEW DOLLARS CANNOT BE OVERSTATED AND HAVING THOSE DOLLARS RISE FROM MARIJUANA TAX REVENUES IS ALSO A FORM OF JUSTICE. AS AN INTERNAL MEDICINE PHYSICIAN, I TREATED PATIENTS WHO HAVE HAD TO MAKE FINANCIAL CHOICES THAT SHOULDN'T BE NECESSARY IN THIS COUNTRY. I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE THE CITY COUNCIL TO PASS R-25-116. THANK YOU. >> THERESA FOLLOWED BY BERNADETTE. >> I'M WITH THE PARTNERSHIP FOR COMMUNITY ACTION. WE BELIEVE IN BOLD PROVEN SOLUTIONS TO SUPPORT FAMILIES. AND FROM MAY 2022 TO APRIL 2023 WE PARTNERED WITH COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATIONS TO PROVIDE NO STRINGS ATTACHED CRASH PROGRAM TO 333 FAMILIES ACROSS THE STATE. THE RESULTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. FAMILIES USE THESE PAYMENTS TO COVER ESSENTIALS LIKE RENT, FOOD AND CHILDCARE. STABILIZING THEIR HOUSEHOLDS AND REDUCING FINANCIAL STRESS. IN FACT, 83% OF PARTICIPANTS REPORTED IMPROVED WELL BEING AND NEARLY HALF WERE ABLE TO REDOUCHE THEIR DEBT. MOST IMPORTANTLY PARENTS GAINED BREATHING ROOM TO INVEST IN FUTURES. WHETHER THROUGH JOB TRAINING OR SPENDING MORE QUALITY TIME WITH CHILDREN. THE PILOT CONCERNS WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW. WHEN FAMILIES HAVE THE RESOURCES THEY NEED, THEY THRIVE. IT'S TIME TO INVEST IN LONG-TERM SOLUTIONS THAT MONEY INTO THE HANDS OF THOSE THAT NEED IT MOST. PLEASE SUPPORT RESOLUTION 25-116. THANK YOU. >> BERNADETTE. CAN YOU PLEASE ACCEPT PROMOTION TO PANELIST? WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK? GO AHEAD, IF YOU WOULD. MADAM PRESIDENT, PERHAPS THERE'S SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES. JUST FOR THE RECORD. JENNIFER BURKE AND ROBERT ALEXANDER ARE NOT PRESENT IN ZOOM. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. WE ARE BACK ON TO R-116. COUNCILORS, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. READING THROUGH THIS, IT LOOKS LIKE THE MONEY WILL GO THROUGH THE ONE ALBUQUERQUE FUND AND TO THE UNITED WAY. WHY IS IT THE ROUND ABOUT METHOD? WHY ARE WE DOING IT THIS WAY? >>COUN. BASSAN: ASSOCIATE CAO? >> COUNCILOR GROUT, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE CITY CANNOT DIRECTLY GIVE THE PAYMENTS, SO THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE ALBUQUERQUE UNITED WAY. >>COUN. GROUT: IS THE UNITED WAY CHARGING OVERHEAD TO DISTRIBUTE THE FUNDS? >> COUNCILOR GROUT, NO. ALL OF THIS IS GOING TO PROGRAMMING. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS. HOW WILL PEOPLE BE CHOSEN TO RECEIVE THE GUARANTEED INCOME? IT SAYS WHITTIER AND CARLOS REY WERE CHOSEN. WERE THESE SCHOOLS SPECIFICALLY IMPACTED BY MARIJUANA PROHIBITION? >> YES, THE SCHOOLS WERE PICKED FOR THE AREAS THAT THEY'RE IN. ONE OF THEM IS SOUTH VALLEY, AND ONE IN THE SOUTHEAST. THEY PARTICULARLY HAVE -- THEY'RE UNDERREPRESENTED NEIGHBORHOODS. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE SELECTED. WHAT CAN THE GUARANTEED INCOME GRANTS BE USED FOR? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, THE MONEY WILL BE GIVEN TO THE HOUSEHOLDS SO THEY HAVE ADDITIONAL FUNDS AS SOME OF THE SPEAKERS SPOKE TO. AND THE DOCTORS SPOKE TO, WE WANT TO ENSURE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO PICK MEDICINE OVER RENT AND OTHER THINGS. IT IS TO HELP SUPPLEMENT THEIR INCOME. >>COUN. GROUT: IN THREE YEARS TIME, ARE THEY GOING TO EXPECT IT SOME MORE? IS THERE ANY KIND OF HELP? BECAUSE IS THERE ANY KIND OF HELP FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO LEARN IT'S NOT GUARANTEED FOREVER? SO, THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT THEIR FINANCES. THE REASON WHY I ASK IS WITH TRANSITIONAL -- WITH TRANSITIONAL LIVING VOUCHERS, WHICH I THINK ARE GREAT, AND THEY HELP PEOPLE BECOME STABLE, BUT THE SAME TIME THE PEOPLE THAT ARE USING THEM ALSO NEED TO LEARN THEY WON'T BE THERE FOREVER. AND THEY HAVE TO BE WORKING ON THEIR FINANCES AND LEARNING HOW TO BE INDEPENDENT AND TO BE ABLE TO FINANCIALLY MANAGE THEIR FINANCES. IS THERE ANY KIND OF FINANCIAL EDUCATION GOING ON WHEN THESE FOLKS ARE RECEIVING THOSE GRANTS? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT YES. A CONDITION OF THE PROGRAM IS THEY HAVE TO WORK WITH THE OFFICE OF EQUITY AND INCLUSION AND OFFICE OF FINANCIAL EMPOWERMENT. THEY WILL BE GETTING TRAINING. THEY WILL BE GETTING EDUCATION. >>COUN. GROUT: ARE THERE ANY MEASURED OUTCOMES? ARE THERE ANY KIND OF REPORTING OR ANYTHING? HOW DO WE KNOW THIS IS WORKING? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, THERE'S TWO COMPONENTS TO IT. THERE'S THE PIECE WITH OEI RELATED TO GUARANTEED BASIC INCOME. PART OF THAT WILL BE TRACKING ABSENTEEISM. HOPEFULLY, THESE INDIVIDUALS AND STUDENTS WILL NOT HAVE CHRONIC ABSENTEEISM. THE OTHER PIECE IS THEY NEED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE OFFICE OF FOTIAL -- THE PIECE RELATED TO HHH, THERE ARE MEASURES PUT INTO TRIPLE-H'S CONTRACT TO ENSURE THAT PROVIDERS ARE MEETING THE NEEDS OF THOSE. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I JUST WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT OF BEING A PART OF THIS PROJECT AND OEI. I CANNOT CONTAIN MY EXCITEMENT THAT WE'RE HERE. THIS IS WORK THAT CAME DIRECTLY FROM DATA AND RESEARCH. SO, THIS WOULD BE CONSIDERED A RESEARCH PROJECT IN WORKING WITH NEW MEXICO BLACK LEADERSHIP COUNCIL, AND SOME OTHER FOLKS, TO MAKE SURE WE'RE TRACKING THIS AS A RESEARCH PROJECT. OUR MAYOR SIGNED UP FOR A PILOT ALREADY UNDER MAYOR'S FOR GUARANTEED INCOME IN 2020, THAT IS SPECIFICALLY IN PLACE TO GATHERITATA ACROSS THE WHOLE COUNTRY ABOUT HOW THIS WORKS. WE'VE ALREADY DONE THIS IN THE U.S. DURING COVID, AND THIS IS UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME, REGARDLESS OF SCHOOL STATUS, EVERYBODY GOT OUR STIMULUS CHECKS. WE KNOW FROM JUST THAT DATA ALONE WE CUT CHILDHOOD HUNGER IN HALF BY TRUSTING FAMILIES TO MAKE DECISIONS FOR WHAT THEY NEED FOR THEIR FAMILIES TO THRIVE. AND THERE'S A NOTION OUT THERE THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO USE THIS MONEY FOR THINGS LIKE DRUGS AND ALCOHOL. BUT PARTICIPANTS HAVE TO TURN IN RESEARCH SURVEYS SAYING WHAT ARE YOU SPENDING MONEY ON, AND IT'S RENT, FOOD AND TRANSPORTATION ACROSS THE COUNTRY. THE BIGGEST THING, TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE PROGRAM, PARTICIPANTS ABSOLUTELY KNOW THIS IS FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME. AND MOST OF THE PARTICIPANTS SURVEYED ABOUT THE PROGRAM ENDING SAID THEY'RE FIND WITH THE PROGRAM ENDING BECAUSE OF THE PROGRAM THEY'RE ABLE TO GET HIGHER INCOME BECAUSE THEY -- ONE PARTICULAR STORY I HEARD FROM SANTA FE'S PILOT THEY WERE ABLE TO PURCHASE A CAR THAT THEY COULDN'T AFFORD BEFORE WHICH ALLOWED THEM NOT TO RELY ON THE BUS THAT TOOK THEM TO CERTAIN PART OF SANTA FE. NOW BECAUSE THEY'RE BETTER EMPLOYED, THEY'RE DEEMED BETTER EMPLOYEES BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT LATE BECAUSE OF PUBLIC TRANSIT. THEY'RE ABLE TO GET A JOB INCREASING INCOME BY $800. THE $500 GOING AWAY WAS OKAY BECAUSE THEY'RE ABLE TO GET HIGH PAYING JOBS AND ACCESS TO TRANSPORTATION. THIS IS -- I ALWAYS SAY WE PUT A LOT OF MONEY SUPPORTING FOLKS WHO HAVE NO INCOME. BUT THOSE FAMILIES THAT ARE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE, LIKE MY FAMILY, I'M NOT ELIGIBLE FOR THIS. I AM A SINGLE MOM IN POVERTY. RIGHT NOW. WE LIKE TO FOCUS ON I'M THE FIRST BLACK CITY COUNCILOR, BUT I'M PROBABLY THE FIRST SINGLE MOM CITY COUNCILOR WHO IS LIVING IN POVERTY. FOR MY FAMILY, THIS WOULD BE LIFE CHANGING TO HAVE THAT CUSHION OF RIGHT NOW I NEED BRAKES. THIS ISN'T A HANDOUT, THIS IS A HANDUP TO FAMILIES WHO DON'T QUALIFY A LOT OF TIME FOR REGULAR ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMS THAT WE'RE USED TO LIKE SNAP. THIS IS REALLY LIFE-CHANGING. I'LL STOP THERE. I'M EXCITED THAT WE COULD REALLY TAKE STANCE ON POVERTY. THAT THE ROOT CAUSE OF A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE FACING IN OUR COMMUNITY WHEN IT COMES TO HOMELESSNESS, CRIME, AND WE HAVE DESPERATE PEOPLE DOING DESPERATE THINGS THEY WOULDN'T NORMALLY DO IF THEY WERE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND. FOR ME, THIS IS EXTREMELY EXCITING TO HAVE WORKED ON IT BEFORE AND BE HERE TO VOTE ON IT TODAY. I THINK COUNCILOR PEÑA, BECAUSE A LOT OF THE ORIGINAL WORK ON THIS REALLY LEANED INTO WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTED, WHAT THE COMMUNITY ASKED FOR, AND GRATEFUL FOR THAT. BECAUSE WE DON'T ALWAYS GET TO SEE THAT. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. WOULD YOU DESCRIBE THE PROGRAM AS NO STRINGS ATTACHED? THERE'S NO STRINGS ATTACHED TO THE INCOME? >> AS I MENTIONED, THEY WOULD BE MARKING OR TRACKING THE CHILD'S ATTENDANCE AT SCHOOL AND THE OTHER PIECE IS ENSURING THAT THEY'RE PARTICIPATING IN PROGRAMS WITHIN OEI. AS COUNCILOR ROGERS MENTIONED, THEY WOULD BE FILLING OUT SURVEYS. I WOULD SAY -- >>COUN. LEWIS: THERE'S STRINGS ATTACHED TO IT. YOU'RE TRACKING, I GUESS, A STUDENT MISSES A FEW DAYS, ARE THEY OUT OF THE PROGRAM? MISS A FEW WEEKS, WHAT'S THE CRITERIA? >> MADAM CHAIR, COUNCILOR LEWIS, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT ANSWER TO THAT. I WOULD THINK THEY WOULD BE LOOKING AT IT AND FINDING OUT WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE CHILD AND UNDERSTANDING THE SITUATION. IT'S A MARKING THAT THEY'RE TRACKING. >>COUN. LEWIS: AND THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DO THE TRAINING AND EDUCATION. AGAIN, I GUESS IS THERE A CERTAIN LEVEL OF COMMITMENT TO THAT? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR LEWIS, I WOULD ASK THAT DIRECTOR LARA COME UP FROM OEI TO ANSWER THAT IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL. >> NARRATOR: GOOD EVENING . >>COUN. BASSAN: GOOD EVENING, DIRECTOR. COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: YEAH, I GUESS INTERESTED IN JUST THE LEVEL OF COMMITMENT TO THE PROGRAM TRAINING AND REPORTING. ANSWERING SURVEYS. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR LEWIS, THIS PROJECT IS A REFLECTION OF THE ABILITY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WILL BE PARTICIPATING TO DEMONSTRATE THEIR COMMITMENT TO THEIR OWN WELL BEING. SO, THE IDEA IS THAT THESE FOLKS WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE THE SUPPORT THROUGH THE WRAPAROUND PIECE THAT IS DESCRIBED IN ADDITION TO FINANCES THAT ENSURE THE FIDALITY OF THE PROGRAM. >>COUN. LEWIS: MY QUESTION ON THE OVERALL SPENDING ON THE ENTIRE POT OF MONEY WE HAVE, OF COURSE, YOU LISTED JOB TRAINING. REHABILITATION. SMALL BUSINESSES. I GUESS, JUST DESCRIBE THE REASON FOR 50% GOING TO GUARANTEED BASIC INCOME. >> SURE, MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR LEWIS, WE BELIEVE IT HAS BEEN PROVEN AS COUNCILOR ROGERS DESCRIBED THROUGH THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS THE ARE DIFFERENT INTERVENTIONS THAT SURFACE BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE THE MEANS TO BE CREATIVE WITH IDENTIFYING HOW TO BEST SOLVE THEIR PROBLEMS. IN DOING THIS, WE ANTICIPATE -- AS ACO DESCRIBED THIS IS UNDER FINANCIAL EMPOWERMENT. WE HAVE DR. COOPER WILL LEAD THAT OFFICE. THIS IS A STAFFED ROLE, A STAFFED WORK THAT WE'RE PLACING A LOT OF PRIORITY ON. WITH THIS WORK, WE'D BE ABLE TO FOLLOW THROUGH AND MAKE SURE PEOPLE AS THEY'RE NEEDING HELP AND SUPPORT IDENTIFYING GAPS WILL HAVE THE RESOURCES TO HELP PEOPLE NAVIGATE THOSE AND GIVE THEM THAT MENTORSHIP AND SUPPORT. >>COUN. LEWIS: I'VE SEEN SOME STUDIES ON, LET'S SAY, GIVEN A CERTAIN AMOUNT TO A STUDY GROUP AND A SMALLER AMOUNT OR DIFFERENT AMOUNT TO OTHER GROUP AND TRACKING HOW THAT MONEY IS SPENT AND ALL THAT. ARE WE DOING THAT KIND OF DETAILED TRACKING AND REPORTING? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR LEWIS, YOU'RE DESCRIBING AN A-B TESTING? >>COUN. LEWIS: I GUESS WHERE YOU'RE MEASURING RESULTS. YOU'RE MEASURING SOME TYPE OF RESULTS? >> WITH WHITTIER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, WE HAVE THE ENTIRE THIRD GRADE CLASS. WITH THE OTHER SCHOOL, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT CHARGER, SO WE'LL HAVE SOME OF THAT DESCRIBED. SO THIS EXPERIMENT WOULD BE REALLY INFORMATIVE TO THINK ABOUT AS WE PURSUE THIS ON A LONGER TERM SCALE AND HOW WE CAN MAKE ADJUSTMENTS AND ITERATE FROM THERE. >>COUN. LEWIS: REAL QUICK. WHAT OTHER -- YOU LISTED -- I GUESS A COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF WHAT THE STRINGS THAT ARE ATTACHED AS FAR AS THE REQUIREMENTS OF SOMEONE WHO PARTICIPATES IN THIS. >> THE STRINGS ATTACHED, BASICALLY, THEY'RE JUST INVOLVEMENT. THE IDEA WITH THIS PROGRAMMING IS THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE WRAPAROUND SUPPORT THAT ALIGN WHERE O-27-87. THE EDUCATION AROUND DRUG AWARENESS AND THE HAVE ACCESS TO MENTAL HEALTH RESOURCES, THE ABILITY TO HAVE MENTORSHIP PROGRAMMING, WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT. ALL OF THAT WILL BE DESIGN AND BAKED INTO THE PROGRAM, AND REALLY SO MUCH GRATITUDE THAT PROVIDED SO MUCH INPUT INTO THIS PROJECT AND BEING ABLE TO COMMIT TO SUPPORTING THIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: TO BE QUALIFIED TO BE A PART OF IT, YOU HAVE TO GO TO ONE OF THE SCHOOLS. IS THERE AN INCOME REQUIREMENT? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR LEWIS, THERE'S NOT AN INCOME REQUIREMENT. THOSE ARE BOTH TITLE ONE SCHOOLS, SO THE POPULATION OF STUDENTS THERE ARE ALREADY SUBJECT TO LIMITED INCOME. >>COUN. LEWIS: DO YOU HAVE TO BE A U.S. CITIZEN? >> WE DON'T TRACK THAT INFORMATION. SO WE WOULDN'T BEGIN TRACKING THAT THERE EITHER. >>COUN. LEWIS: OKAY. >> SCHOOLS DON'T TYPICALLY HAVE THAT. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. WHY WASN'T ANY PERJURIES PUT INTO THE OTHER -- PEOPLE RE-ENTERING INCARCERATION FROM DRUG USE? WHY WAS THERE NO PERCENTAGE PUT INTO THE FOUR CATEGORIES? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, THE ORDINANCE WAS WRITTEN IN A WAY THAT IT WAS PERMISSIVE. SO, IT SAID YOU MAY USE IT. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: I UNDERSTAND WHY IT WAS WRITTEN, HOW DID YOU CHOOSE THAT? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, THE REASON AS COUNCILOR ROGERS STATED, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT WAS PUT INTO THE GUARANTEED BASIC INCOME. WE FELT LIKE THAT WAS A GOOD PLACE TO HAVE AN IMPACT AS WELL AS TRIPLE-H BECAUSE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE AFFECTED BY HOMELESSNESS A LOT OF TIMES ARE HAVING SUBSTANCE BUSE ISSUES. WE FELT LIKE THAT WAS THE BEST IMPACT. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR PEÑA TO CLOSE. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. BEFORE I CLOSE, YES. THIS IS MARIJUANA EQUITY REINVESTMENT. THIS IS FOR PEOPLE IMPACTED BY THE CRIMINALIZATION OF MARIJUANA IN THE PAST. WE CAN'T PINPOINT WHO THOSE PEOPLE ARE. MANY PEOPLE IN THE SCHOOLS WILL BE THOSE PEOPLE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, HALF OF THE MONEY IS GOING GUARANTEED BASIC INCOME. WHAT I'M ALSO EXCITED ABOUT IS THAT I'M ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT THAT WE DO NOT HAVE IN-PATIENT DETOX FOR OUR YOUTH OR FOR ADULTS OVERALL. SO, $1.2 MILLION IS GOING TO GO FOR IN-PATIENT TREATMENT FOR SUBSTANCE ABUSE. I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR OTHER BUDGETS AND HOW MUCH WE'RE ACTUALLY PUTTING INTO OUR LARGER BUDGETS THAT HAVE THIS TYPE OF SUPPORT, IT'S VERY NOMINAL. ALSO, PREVENTION INTERVENTION. I THINK THAT'S KEY. WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR YOUTH, WE DIDN'T GET HERE OVERNIGHT AND WE REALLY HAVE TO HAVE PREVENTION INTERVENTION PROGRAMS EDUCATION. I KNOW $500,000 FOR THOSE TYPES OF EFFORTS. LIKE I SAID, THE FACT THAT WE HAVE SUBSTANCE ABUSE TREATMENT FOR YOUTH IS REALLY PARAMOUNT. OBVIOUSLY, HELPING THESE FAMILIES THAT -- WE'LL HEAR TALKING ABOUT CRITERIA AND HAVING THEM ADHERE TO CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS, I THINK IT'S BUILT INTO THE PROGRAM IN TERMS OF FINANCIAL LITERACY THAT THEY HAVE TO ADHERE TO, BUT REALLY ASKING THEM TO REALLY HAVE A LOT OF STRINGS ATTACHED TO SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY DISPROPORTIONATELY IMPACTING THEM IS IN A WAY THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE TO LOOK AT EQUITY. THIS IS ALIGNED FROM OUR BUDGET. IT'S AN AMOUNT OF MONEY WE'RE GOING TO GET EVERY YEAR DEDICATED TO REALLY TRYING TO ACHIEVE JUSTICE WHERE THERE WAS INJUSTICE. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILORS, THE MOTION IS FOR A DO PASS OF R-116. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? PASSES ON A 5-4 VOTE. FOR THE RECORD, ON O-70, I STATED THAT IT PASSED ON AN 8-1 VOTE. AND COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN STARTED BY MAKING SURE TO TELL ME. IT PASSED ON A 9-0 VOTE. MOVER TO AGENDA ITEM F, P-7. COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. ADOPTING PROPOSITION TO VOTERS AT THE 2025 LOCAL ELECTION. REGARDING A VOTE ON PERFORMING ARTS CENTER. MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION AND SECOND FROM COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. AS I SAID BEFORE, IT'S SUCH A WEIRD ANOMALY TO HAVE THIS IN OUR CITY'S CONSTITUTION. SPECIFICALLY POINTING OUT ONE TYPE OF PROJECT THAT CAN'T BE DONE. SO, THIS IS IN A SENSE CLEANING THAT UP WHICH SHOULDN'T BE THERE. THERE'S A WHOLE HISTORY TO THAT IS RIDICULOUS IF YOU READ INTO IT. SECONDLY, I'VE ALSO SAID WE CAN HANDLE CRIME AND HOMELESSNESS AND SIMULTANEOUSLY WORK ON QUALITY OF LIFE FOR OUR KIDS AND FAMILIES AND FUTURE OF THE CITY. I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT. I URGE EVERYBODY'S SUPPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON P-7? ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT PASSES 9-0. COUNCILOR BACA WITH THE COMPANION RESOLUTION. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THIS IS COMPANION RESOLUTION. DO YOU WANT ME TO READ IT FOR THE RECORD? ADOPTING PROPOSITION BE SUBMITTED TO THE VOTERS NEXT ELECTION CONCERNING AMENDMENT TO ARTICLE 11, SECTION 7 TO THE ALBUQUERQUE CITY CHARTER PROVIDING FORM OF A QUESTION AND DESIGNATION FOR SUCH QUESTION ON THE BALLOT. I MOVE DO PASS. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION AND SECOND FROM COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. COUNCILOR, IF YOU WANT, YOU CAN OPEN BUT I'M GOING TO GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE'LL DO YOUR AMENDMENT. LET'S GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. WE HAVE LISA TO SPEAK. >>COUN. BASSAN: SHE'S NOT HERE ANYMORE. COUNCILOR BACA, IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE YOUR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE, MARKED A. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. ON PAGE ONE, LINE 19 AMEND SECTION ONE. SECTION ONE CITY CLERK INSTRUCTED TO PLACE THE FOLLOWING PROPOSAL IN THE 2025 LOCAL ELECTION BALLOT AND THE QUALIFIED VOTERS OF THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE SHALL BE VOTING FOR OR AGAINST THE FOLLOWING PROPOSITION. AMENDMENT ADDS CONSALTATION WITH THE BERNALILLO COUNTY COUNTY CLERK OR SECRETARY OF STATE AND HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MODIFY THE PROPOSAL AS TO FORM OR CONFORM WITH APPLICABLE LAW. THIS AMENDMENT PROPOSES TO ALLOW CITY CLERK TO COLLABORATE WITH THE BERNALILLO COUNTY CLERK OR SECRETARY OF STATE TO PLACE THE PROPOSITION ON THE 2025 LOCAL ELECTION BALLOT INCLUDING FORMATTING AND MAKING SURE IT GOES WITH LEGAL REQUIREMENTS. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION FOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE WITH SECOND FROM COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. I WILL SAY IF THE CLERK CAN MAKE CORRECTION BETWEEN AUTHORITY AND MODIFY TO ADD THE WORD TO. THAT'S MISSING. COUNCILORS, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. COUNCILOR BACA TO CLOSE. >>COUN. BASSAN: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. THAT LOOKS LIKE IT PASSES ON 9-0. WE'RE BACK ON R-119. QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR BACA TO CLOSE. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILORS, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF A DO PASS OF R-119 AS AMENDED, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANYONE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON A 9-0 VOTE. MOVING ON TO AGENDA ITEM D. MOMENT YOU ALL HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR. COUNCILOR LEWIS AND BACA. R-122. >>COUN. LEWIS: ESTABLISHING THE MINIMUM STAFFING REQUIREMENT FOR ALBUQUERQUE FIRE KESUE, I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. JUST A COUPLE THINGS ABOUT THE RESOLUTION. I WANT TO READ A FEW COMMENTS. FIRST OF ALL, THE RESOLUTION REAFFIRMS THE POLICY ESTABLISHING THE MULTIPLE STANDARDS FOR PROVIDING CARE. -- >>COUN. LEWIS: RESOLUTIONS OR OTHER LEGISLATIONS CONDUCIVE TO THE WELFARE OF THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY. SO, OUR ORDINANCE, OUR CHARTER CERTAINLY GIVES US THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO WEIGH IN ON ANY DECISION RELATING TO ORDINANCES. ALSO, JUST REFER BACK TO THE BILL INVOLVES AN AMENDMENT TO R-16-41. IN 2016, IT WAS ENACTED AND ESTABLISHED MINIMUM STAFFING REQUIREMENTS FOR AFR FOR THE ENGINE APPARATUS AND RESCUE APPARATUS, LADDER, HAZARDOUS MATERIAL SQUADS, TECHNICAL RESCUE SQUADS , QUALITIES ASSURANCE UNITS. THAT RESOLUTION ESTABLISHED THE BATTALION COMMANDER UNITS AND SUPPORT DIVISIONS. THE AMENDMENT APPLIES TO RESCUE APPARATUS. AND IT IS INTENDED TO MAINTAIN, TO CODIFY A MINIMUM OF TWO RESCUE PARAMEDICS PER RESCUE UNIT. BECAUSE THEY HAVE TWO FIREFIGHTERS OF THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF PRE-HOSPITAL LICENSURE PARAMEDIC DELIVERED LIFE-SAVING AID AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. AGAIN, JUST TO MAKE THE POINT THAT THE COUNCIL HAS -- IN 2016 AND OFTEN HAS GIVEN DIRECTION AND POLICY RELATED TO AFR STAFFING, APD STAFFING, TO EQUIPMENT, THIS IS CERTAINLY WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST AND CONTINUE TO DO. WHY IMMEDIATE ACTION ON THIS TONIGHT? JUST REAL CLEARLY, THE ADMINISTRATION IS LOOKING TO IMPLEMENT A PRETTY SWEEPING CHANGE TO THE STAFFING REQUIREMENTS. IT WOULD BE A SWEEPING CHANGE TO THE STAFFING REQUIREMENTS IN MY DISTRICT. CERTAINLY, ALL OVER THE CITY. AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN WHY THE IMMEDIATE ACTION? THIS GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO HELP MAKE THAT DECISION. AS OPPOSED TO IT BEING MADE THIS WEEK AND A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CHANGE TO THAT. SO, I KNOW THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN OPINION, BUT I THINK THERE'S CLEARLY A CASE THAT TWO MEDICS ON A RESCUE IS THE BEST POSSIBLE SERVICE GIVEN TO OUR COMMUNITY. I BELIEVE THE FIREFIGHTERS, THE MEDICS, THE EXPERTS THAT ARE PROVIDING THE SERVICE EVERY DAY CERTAINLY FEEL STRONGLY THAT WAY. AGAIN, THIS IS OUR CURRENT SYSTEM AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY TOUTED AROUND THE COUNTRY, INCLUDING BY OUR DEPARTMENT, AS IT'S LOOKED AT AS A REAL MARK AROUND THE COUNTRY, A STANDARD AROUND THE COUNTRY. OTHER DEPARTMENTS COME AND LOOK FOR US FOR THE EXPERTISE AND STAFFING THAT MAKE AS BIG IMPACT. THAT'S WHAT THIS BILL -- THE BILL CODIFIES WHAT THE CURRENT SYSTEM THAT'S IN PLACE. I KNOW THERE'S PILOT PROGRAMS AND THERE'S SOME DATA REGARDING THOSE PILOT PROGRAMS. I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY DATA THAT REALLY SHOWS ANY RESULTS OF CITYWIDE OR DEPARTMENT WIDE MAKING THE KIND OF CHANGES THAT ARE BEING LOOKED AT. MADAM PRESIDENT, I THINK WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE CAN GO FROM THERE UNLESS COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BASSAN: OKAY. WE'RE FINISHING WITH THE OPENING. WE'RE MOVING TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS CHRISTOPHER FOLLOWED BY ALBERTA. >> THANK YOU TO COUNCIL PRESIDENT AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR THE TIME AND PLATFORM TO SPEAK. MUSH APPRECIATED. I'M THE IFF LOCAL 244 SECRETARY AND HAVE BEEN WITH AFR FOR 15 YEARS. I WILL BE SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF THE RESOLUTION. WE'VE HEARD FROM OUR ADMINISTRATION IN THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO OUR STAFFING MODEL WILL DELIVER A HIGHER LEVEL OF SERVICE. I DO NOT SHARE THIS OPINION. THE CHANGES WILL LOWER THE BAR WITH WHICH WE MEASURE THE SUCCESS. ADDITIONALLY, OUR FIRE ADMIN PROPOSAL TO REPRESENT THE LARGEST OPERATIONAL CHANGE IN 40 YEARS. SIX MONTHS, SIX MONTHS OF REPEATED REQUESTS AND OUTREACH FROM LOCAL 244 HAS BEEN MET WITH BY REFUSAL TO HAVE AN OPEN CONVERSATION AND DISCUSSION ON THE ISSUE. IN FACT, WE WERE TOLD THEY WERE NOT GLAKTED -- OBLIGATED TO VIS THE CONVERSATION. I COULD NOT DISAGREE MORE. NOT OBLIGATED. IT'S AN INTERESTING CONCEPT THAT YOU DON'T HEAR IN THE FIRST STATION. THE IMPLICATION THAT YOU ONLY DO WHAT IS REQUIRED AND NO MORE. OUR FOUNDATION BEGINS AND ENDS WITH SACRIFICE AND DOING WHAT IS RIGHT. SACRIFICE IS DOING WHAT IS RIGHT. THANK YOU. >> ALBERTA FOLLOWED BY GREG. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, I STAND BEFORE YOU AS A CITIZEN OF ALBUQUERQUE AND ALSO RETIRED CAPTAIN FROM ALBUQUERQUE FIRE, FORMER VICE PRESIDENT OF LOCAL 244. I STRONGLY SUPPORT R-25-122. THIRD GENERATION OF FIREFIGHTER, MY FAMILY HAS A DEEP TRADITION OF SERVING THE CITY. GENERATION AFTER GENERATION WE GAVE OUR LIVES IN SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY. I MENTION SERVICE AND TRADITION BECAUSE WE PROVIDE TRADITION OF BEST EMS SERVICE IN THE COUNTRY. THE TRADITION STARTED HERE. THE GOLD STANDARD OF EMS WAS INSTALLED. A TRADITION OF HAVING TWO HIGHLY TRAINED PARAMEDICS ON RESCUE IN EVERY CORNER OF THE CITY. THE TRADITION OF PROVIDING THE BEST CARE AND MEDICAL TREATMENT ANYONE IN ALBUQUERQUE COULD ASK FOR. A TRADITION OF GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND OUR CITIZENS DESERVE NOTHING LESS. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR LEWIS, AND COUNCILOR BACA FOR BRINGING THIS LEADERSHIP. >> GREG FOLLOWED BY SAM. >> THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS. I'M THE CAPTAIN OF ALBUQUERQUE FIRE. AND ALSO A LOCAL 244 VICE PRESIDENT. I WANT TO THANK THE SPONSORS, COUNCILOR LEWIS, COUNCILOR BACA, FOR SPONSORING THIS RESOLUTION. IT SPEAKS VOLUMES FOR US TO MAINTAIN THIS LEVEL OF CARE TO OUR CITIZENS. IT IS ABOUT SAFETY, LIKE COUNCILOR LEWIS SAID, THAT'S WHY THIS RESOLUTION IS IMPLEMENTED BACK IN 2016. MAINTAIN THESE SAFE STAFFING LEVELS. SAFETY FOR OUR PARAMEDICS. WE HAVE TO MAKE SPLIT DECISIONS WHEN WE'RE CROSS EXECING MEDICATION OR COORDINATING CARE, IT'S ABOUT YOUR PATIENT AND CONSTITUENT GETTING HIGH LEVEL OF CARE AND IT'S ABOUT HOUR SAFETY. GOD FORBID ONE OF THE BROTHERS OR SISTERS GOES DOWN IN THE FIRE, WE HAVE A TWO-MEDIC RESCUE TO TREAT THEM AS WELL. IT'S ABOUT OUR SAFETY. THAT'S A BIG COMPONENT. EVEN IN OUR STAFFING POLICY, ON PAGE TEN, IT CLEARLY STATES THAT WE RESPOND WITH TWO PARAMEDICS ON RESCUE. THANK YOU, I URGE YOUR SUPPORT ON THIS RESOLUTION. >> SAM FOLLOWED BY ROB. >> TRY TO BE A LITTLE QUICKER THIS TIME. YOU KNOW, AS A PARAMEDIC, THERE'S TWO TIMES IN YOUR LIFE THAT YOU WITNESS A MIRACLE. ONE IS CHILD BIRTH. THE OTHER ONE IS WHEN YOU BRING SOMEBODY BACK FROM THE OTHER SIDE. CHILD BIRTH, THE MOTHER DOES THE MAJORITY OF THE WORK BUT WE'RE THERE TO ASSIST. THE OTHER SITUATION, ONE PARAMEDIC ALONE HAS A HARD TIME BRINGING SOMEBODY BACK IMMEDIATELY. THAT'S WHY IT REQUIRES TWO PEOPLE ARRIVING AT THE SAME TIME TO GET THE LIFE-SAVING TECHNIQUES GOING. I ENCOURAGE YOU TO PLEASE, PLEASE MAINTAIN THE PARAMEDIC RESCUE MANNING THAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW WITH IMPROVEMENT IN MEDICATION, TECHNOLOGY AND TRIAGED BY THE DISPATCHERS. WE CAN BETTER SERVE THE COMMUNITY KNOWING WHEN TO DISPATCH AND WHERE TO DISPATCH A TWO-MAN RESCUE. >> ROB FOLLOWED BY ROBERT. >> I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT SOME OF THE CRITICISM YOU MIGHT HEAR ABOUT THE CURRENT MODEL WE HAVE IS IT'S A LUXURY. IT'S A LUXURY THAT IS UNSUSTAINABLE THAT'S AFFORDED TO US. THERE'S NOTHING LUXURIOUS ABOUT WHAT WE DO. AND THERE'S NOTHING AFFORDED TO US AT ALL. WITH THE CURRENT MODEL WE HAVE, WE ARE PROTECTED, WE LOOK OUT FOR EACH OTHER, WE COVER EACH OTHER THROUGH A LEVEL OF ACCOUNTABILITY TO THE HIGHEST DEGREE OF LICENSURE. I'M THINKING THAT IF THIS PASSES, THAT WILL GO AWAY, BUT WHAT GOES AWAY EVEN MORE IS SOMETHING THAT IS HELD TO THE CONSTITUENTS. IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE SUSTAINABILITY, WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS ALREADY LIKE THE COUNCILMAN SAID, FOR DECADES. FOR AS LONG AS I HAVE BEEN IN THIS DEPARTMENT, THAT'S BEEN THE MODEL, THAT'S THE STANDARD OF CARE AND WE'RE ASKING YOU TO VOTE TO KEEP IT. THANK YOU. >> ROBERT FOLLOWED BY ASHLEY. ASHLEY FOLLOWED BY GUS. >> GOOD EVENING, MADAM PRESIDENT COUNCILORS. IT'S REALLY WONDERFUL TO BE ON THE SAME SIDE, COUNCILOR LEWIS, I'M GLAD WE'RE COLLABORATING ON THIS FRONT. I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF MACHINESTS AND I REPRESENT THE LABOR COMMUNITY. THERE'S NOTHING BETTER -- I'M ALSO A CONSTITUENT OF COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. THERE'S NOTHING BETTER THAT YOU NEED TO HEAR THAN WHAT THE WORKERS THAT ARE ACTUALLY DOING THE JOB ARETELLING YOU. PLEASE STAND WITH THEM. STAND WITH PARAMEDICS, STAND WITH FIRST RESPONDERS, STAND WITH THE INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF FIREFIGHTERS. THANK YOU. >> GUS FOLLOWED BY CHRISTIAN. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME BACK. THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT A 911 SYSTEM. YOURS IS OPERATING A TRIAGED DISPATCH SYSTEM, SO WE'RE WORKING ON GETTING THE RIGHT RESOURCE TO THE RIGHT CALL. A FENDER-BENDER IS A CAR ACCIDENT, SO IS THE ROLL OVER. THEY DON'T GET THE SAME TRUCK. THIS IS THE EXACT SAME ISSUE WE'RE FACING WITH THIS IDEA OF RESOURCE. WE WANT TO KEEP MEDICS AVAILABLE FOR PATIENTS. IF YOU DON'T HAVE A TRUE EXPANSION, IF YOU DON'T HAVE TWO PARAMEDICS ON THE RESCUE AND ANOTHER ALS PROVIDER ON THE ENGINE YOU'RE DILOOTING. YOU'RE PUTTING THAT MEDICAL LICENSURE ON THE DUMPSTER FIRE AND PUTTING THAT ON DOWNED POWER LINES. THEY CAN'T RESPOND TO A PATIENT. YOU'RE PUTTING THAT LICENSURE ON FIRE WATCH, WAITING TO SEE IF SOMETHING WILL REKINDLE. WHAT THIS IS OFFERING TODAY AND THE CURRENT MODEL IS A TRADEOFF. ARE YOU WILL TO TRADE THE TWO MEDICS THAT SERVED THAT FAMILY LAST NIGHT FOR SOMEBODY WATCHING A DUMPSTER FIRE? FOR US THAT ISN'T WORTH IT. TRUE EXPANSION IS WORTH IT. >> CHRISTIAN FOLLOWED BY JOHN. JOHN FOLLOWED BY JOAQUIN. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCIL. I'M THE CURRENT CHIEF OF ALBUQUERQUE FIRE. I'M HERE WITH MY UNION BROTHERS AND SISTERS AND LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF OUR TWO PARAMEDIC SYSTEM. I'M COVERING THE NORTHEAST HEIGHTS INCLUDING DISTRICTS FOUR, SEVEN, AND EIGHT. UNDER THE ENTIRE CHIEF'S PLAN, ACADEMY RESPONDS TO THE AREAS NORTH OR EAST, THERE WILL BE A SINGLE PARAMEDIC DRIVER ON THAT RESPONSE. ONE MEDIC ON SCENE FOR CARDIAC ARREST IN THE NORTHEAST HEIGHTS OR ANYWHERE IN THE CITY IS UNACCEPTABLE TO OUR CITIZENS. IF ENACTED THERE WILL BE AN UNNECESSARY DEATH THAT RESULTS. THIS PLACES THE CITY AT RISK FOR LAWSUITS. PARAMEDICS WILL BURN OUT QUICKER THAN WITH NO OTHER OPTIONS MAY LEAVE THE DEPARTMENT ALTOGETHER. THOSE THAT STAY HAVE INCREASED LIKELIHOOD OF DEPERCEPTION, ANXIETY AND SUICIDE. >> JOAQUIN FOLLOWED BY MIGUEL. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME TODAY. I'VE BEEN SERVING THIS CITY WITH THE ALBUQUERQUE FIRE AND RESCUE FOR 18 YEARS AT THE RANK OF CAPTAIN. PROUDLY SERVING ONE OF THE BUSIEST STATIONS. I SERVE ALONGSIDE THE MEN AND WOMEN BEHIND ME. AND I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK IN THE FIELD AND TALK ON A DAILY BASE WITNESS THE RANK AND FILE. AN ISSUE THAT CONCERNS ME THAT I'D LIKE TO EXPRESS AND SHARE WITH YOU IS THE ISSUE OF THE MORALE. IN THE 18 YEARS I'VE BEEN A PART OF THIS DEPARTMENT THERE'S MANY HIGHS AND MANY LOWS BUT NEVER HAVE I SEEN WITH THE DISSOLUTION OF THE RESCUES. WE'RE SEEING THEM DROP LICENSURE AS A DIRECT RESULT OF THIS SPLITTING OF THE RESCUE. WE'RE SEEING SENIOR FIREFIGHTER ATTRIBUTING THEIR RETIREMENT TO THIS AND MANY MORE CONSIDERING AND EVALUATING THE TENURE AT AFR. SEASONED VETERANS THAT SHAPE AND MOLD THE FIREFIGHTER THAT COME OUT TODAY. I ASK THAT YOU TAKE CARE OF THOSE THAT TAKE CARE OF YOU AND YOURS AND SUPPORT THE GOLD STANDARD WHICH IS R-25-122. THANK YOU. >> MIGUEL FOLLOWED BY BRIAN. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, WE'VE HEARD FROM THE PEOPLE IN THE FRONT LINES. YOU'VE HEARD FROM OUR RETIREES. WE'RE HERE TO BE HEARD AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD IN THIS PUBLIC FORUM. EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T FEEL HEARD FROM THE ADMINISTRATION WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK IN GOOD FAITH ARE WITH OUR SERVICE. WE'VE HAD A MEMBER FEELING UNHEARD BUT WORKING TO SECURE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON BEHALF OF OUR DEPARTMENT. WE SIT ON A JOINT ORGANIZATION OF EDUCATION WORKING GROUP TO PROVIDE SOLUTIONS TO THE EMS TRAINING CHALLENGES, WE'RE WORKING THE PROBLEMS AND PROVIDING THE SOLUTIONS IN GOOD FAITH BECAUSE MORE PARAMEDICS IS THE GOAL EXPANSION IS THE GOAL WITH THREE PARAMEDICS AT THE STATION NOT WITH TWO. IF THE PROPOSED OPERATIONAL CHANGE IS AN ABANDONMENTED FOR WHAT IS OUR FIREFIGHTER VALUES, THE INTENTION OF THIS ADMINISTRATION IS TO ABANDON OUR TWO PARAMEDIC RESCUE SYSTEM. FIRST PROPOSAL BY MANAGEMENT INCLUDED EVERY RESCUE TO BE SPLIT. YOU MUST ASK YOURSELF WHY WOULD MANAGEMENT BE IMPOSING AN ABANDONMENT OF THE GOLD STANDARD. WE'RE HERE IN 2016 WHEN MANAGEMENT TRIED TO STOP OUR SERVICES. THIS IS RECKLESS. WE URGE YOUR SUPPORT. ALLOW US TO CONTINUE PROVIDING THE BEST SERVICE AND HELP US SAVE MORE LIFE. THE STORY TOLD BY BROTHER IS AN EVERYDAY OCCURRENCE. URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >> ROBERT FOLLOWED BY MATT. >> I'M SPOOKING ON BEHALF OF THE LOCAL 24 AS A MATTER EXPERT. I WORK FOR TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE AND RESOURCE DIVISION WITH THE INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF FIREFIGHTER PART OF THE SERVICES WE PROVIDE TO THE FIREFIGHTERS IS WE BUILD EMS SYSTEMS AND ANALYZE DATA TO SUPPORT ENHANCEMENT OF SERVICES, FIRE BASED EMS TO RESPOND TO CITIZENS. THERE ARE MANY FIRE DEPARTMENTS THAT MAINTAIN A TWO-PARAMEDIC. YOUR FIRE DEPARTMENT EMS IS PROVIDING THE GOLD STANDARD OF CARE TO YOUR RESIDENTSES AND GUESTS BY DEPLOYING TWO PARAMEDICS AND EANY REDUCTION CAN BE DETRIMENTAL. THEY PROVIDE OPTIMAL AND TIMELY PATIENT CARE FOR ILL AND INJURED. THESE ARE LIFE SAVING MEASURES THAT REQUIRE MULTIPLE PARAMEDICS INTERVENTIONS THAT CAN OCCUR SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH TWO PARAMEDICS. THEY PROVIDE THE ABILITY TO HELP THE PATIENTS UNTIL FURTHER ASSISTANCE ARRIVES ON SCENE. THE MEDICAL DIRECTION IS IN NEED BUT CAN BE REACHED PARAMEDICS HAVE AN EQUAL PARTNER TO SHARE PROTOCOL AND PROCEDURES AND GIVE PROPER ATTENTION TO THE PATIENT. IN CONDITION, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I OFFER THE SUPPORT AND I HOPE YOU OFFER THE SUPPORT FOR THE ALBUQUERQUE FIRE AND RESCUE TO CONTINUE WITH THE TWO-PERSON TRANSPORT MODEL. >> MATT FOLLOWED BY MATTHEW. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, I SERVED FOR 12 YEARS WITH AFR AND HOLD THE RANK OF PARAMEDIC CAPTAIN. THE UNION AND AFR LEADERSHIP AGREE THAT ALS EXSPANGZ NEED FOR THE CITIZENS OF ALBUQUERQUE. WE'RE IN DISAGREEMENT ABOUT HOW TO GO ABOUT IT. WE'RE ONE OF THE FORTUNATE DEPARTMENTS THAT STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO RUN A DOUBLE MEDIC RESCUE. AFTER SERVING ON THE RESCUE FOR HALF OF MY CAREER I'M CONFIDENT WE SHOULD KEEP AS MANY DOUBLE RESCUE AS POSSIBLE. GETTING MORE PARAMEDICS IS JUST AS IMPORTANT. WE HAVE 62 MEMBERS ASSIGNED TO FIRE SUPPRESSION APPARATUS THAT HOLD THE LICENSE. 30 BEING PARAMEDICS. IF WE UTILIZE THE MEMBERS WISELY WE CAN KEEP THE DOUBLE MEDIC RESCUE AND HAVE INCREASED ALS COVERAGE IN DISTRICTS WHERE IT'S NEEDED. REGARDLESS, I HOPE THIS GETS CONVERSATION BACK TO THE TABLE WITH AFR AND UNION LEADERSHIP TO PROVIDE THE MOST BEST SERVICE POSSIBLE. >> MATTHEW, IF YOU'RE ON ZOOM, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. MADAM PRESIDENT, THOSE THAT ARE NOT PRESENT IS SELLINA, DIANE, CYNTHIA, MICHAEL, McCAYLA AND MATTHEW. THAT CONCLUDES COMMENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO GO TO COUNCILOR BACA IF HE WANTS TO DO HIS OPEN. THEN I WANT TO GO TO ADMIN WITH THE CAO AND ASK THE FIRE CHIEF TO GIVE THEIR INPUT AS WELL. . >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. IDEALLY THE UNION AND LEADERSHIP WOULD HAVE FIGURED THIS OUT BEFORE WE GOT TO THIS POINT. CHIEF JARAMILLO HAS REPEATEDLY SPOKE ABOUT WE'RE THE NATIONAL MODEL AND WE'RE THE GOLD STANDARD. MORE THAN THAT, I LOOK TO THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO TAKE CARE OF OUR CITY, OUR PEOPLE, AND EVERYBODY AND LISTENING TO WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY. I STAND WITH OUR UNION. IF THEY SAY THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO MAINTAIN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM CAO. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR A FEW MOMENTS TO TALK RELATED TO THIS TOPIC. OBVIOUSLY, AS PROFESSIONAL ADMINISTRATOR, I'VE HAD MANY YEARS OF WORKING WITH UNIONS AND NOW WORK ACROSS THE CITY WITH ALL OF OUR UNIONS. AND HAVE A CLEAR TRACK RECORD OF SUPPORTING THE TENANTS OF COLLECTIVE BARGAINING. I THINK IT'S CONCERNS THAT IFF IS NOW GOING BACK ON WHAT IS NOW A NEGOTIATED CBA THAT I THINK WAS A FAVORABLE CBA. WE WORKED VERY HARD TO ENSURE WE MET THEIR GOALS. I HONOR THE WORK OF FIREFIGHTER AND THE WORK THEY DO. AS WE SIT AT THE TABLE TO NEGOTIATE AND ENSURE WE'RE HEARING WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO THEM AND WORKING THROUGH THAT. IN THE CBA SIGNED BY IAFF PRESIDENT TITMAN, THE AGREEMENT STATES IT DOES NOT LIMIT THE MANAGEMENT RIGHTS STATED IN THE LABOR MANAGEMENT RELATIONS ORDINANCE. THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU ALL HAVE PASSED. IT STATES THAT FIRE CHIEF HAS THE RIGHT TO DETERMINE STAFFING REQUIREMENTS AND THAT'S DONE THROUGH WHAT WE KNOW IS OUR BID PROCESS. IT ALSO STATES THAT THE LABOR BOARD, AS IS THE BODY, THAT HAS THE AUTHORITY TO ALTER THE SCOPE AND WE -- IF A COURT THAT HAS JURISDICTION THAT OVERTURNS THAT SCOPE. IT'S TRUE THIS CDA THAT WAS SIGNED IN JULY 1st, FOR 2024 THROUGH JUNE 30, 2027 PROVIDES FOR PARAMEDIC PAY. THE UNION INDICATED WAS NECESSARY WHEN THEY SIGNED THE MOU FOR THE PILOT OPERATION THAT WE HAD AND WE ENSURED WE PROVIDED PAY FOR PARAMEDICS IN THIS ALTERNATE MODEL AND WITH THE SPLIT RESCUES. AND WHERE WE HAVE TESTED IN MULTIPLE STATIONS. I DON'T WANT TO TAKE THE FACTS AND AWAY FROM WHAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT FOR CHIEF JARAMILLO TO TALK THROUGH WITH YOU ALL. I WANT TO ADDRESS SPECIFICALLY R-14-41. WHEN IT WAS PASSED IN 2016 WITH COUNCILOR LEWIS AS PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD, OR AT LEAST CHAIR OF THE BOARD MEETING, BOTH CITY COUNCILOR AND THE CAO AT THE TIME ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THE RESOLUTION ITSELF LIKELY INFRINGED ON THE SEPARATION OF POWERS. THEY AGREED TO THE RESOLUTION AT THE TIME THAT YOU TODAY ARE ATTEMPTING TO AMEND, THEY AGREED TO THE RESOLUTION BASED UPON THE REMOVAL OF THE WORD PARAMEDIC. SO SPECIFICALLY THE WORD TODAY YOU'RE CONSIDERING IN THAT MEETING THE ADMINISTRATION WHEN THAT WAS STRUCK THEY AGREED TO THE RESOLUTION BECAUSE THEY FELT THAT IT REFLECTED THE ADMINISTRATION'S CURRENT STAFFING AND THEY WERE WILLING TO ACCEPT THE SEPARATION OF POWERS AND CONCERNS THAT WERE ACKNOWLEDGED DURING THAT MEETING. I THINK IT'S JUST IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT IN BELIEVING IN THE LABOR MANAGEMENT PROCESS OR EFFECTIVE BARGAINING PROCESS OR THE ROLE OF THE LABOR BOARD, IT IS CRITICAL THAT WE ALLOW THE ISSUES THAT ARE BEFORE US TO BE DETERMINED THROUGH THAT PROCESS. AS A CITY COUNCIL, YOU DO NOT TYPICALLY -- YOU DON'T DETERMINE HOW MANY FOOD SAFETY INSPECTORS, OR ELECTRICAL INSPECTORS HAVE TO BE ON-SITE, BOTH SAFETY MATTERS. YOU DON'T DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT APD OFFICERS ARRIVE IN THE VEHICLE. AND STAFFING DECISIONS ARE LEFT TO THE DIRECTORS OF OUR DEPARTMENT WHO ARE HERE ALSO BECAUSE THIS IS OF CONCERN. AS WE SET STAFFING DECISIONS THROUGH LEGISLATION, THAT COULD IMPACT EVERY DIRECTOR AND THE DEPARTMENT THEY LEAD. WE HAVE SAID THOSE DECISIONS ARE DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR DECISIONS. I THINK THE LAST THING I WANT TO MAKE IS THAT YOU HAVE REAVERED -- RECEIVED A MEMO I SHARED WITH YOU BASED UPON OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S REVIEW AND LEGAL OPINION RELATED TO MULTIPLE ITEMS RELATED TO THE RESOLUTION. TRIPPING UP WITH MULTIPLE ORDINANCES WE HAVE. THAT IS THE LABOR MANAGEMENT RELATIONS ORDINANCE, THE MAYOR SYSTEM ORDINANCE, BOTH OF WHICH OUTLINE THE PROCESSES BY WHICH WE WOULD DELIVER OUR STAFFING DECISIONS AS WELL AS HOW WE WOULD RESOLVE THESE MATTERS BEFORE THE LABOR BOARD. THERE IS A PROHIBITIVE PRACTICE COMPLAINT PENDING OUR LABOR BOARD FILED BY IAFF. AND YOU'RE AWARE THAT WE HAVE FILED A PROHIBITIVE PRACTICE COMPLAINT RELATED TO THE ACTIONS OF IAFF AS WELL AS THE CITY COUNCILORS IN TERMS OF INTERFERENCE WITH THE LABOR MANAGEMENT PROCESS. FUNDAMENTALLY WE HAVE A DECISION TO MAKE TONIGHT AROUND WHERE THE DECISION PROCESS LIES IN DETERMINING STAFFING WHETHER IT'S AN EXECUTIVE FUNCTION WITHIN THE CITY, WHETHER WE BELIEVE THESE DISPUTE AND DISAGREEMENTS SHOULD BE HANDLED THROUGH THE LABOR MANAGEMENT PROCESS WITH OUR LABOR MANAGEMENT BOARD WHO MAKES THOSE DECISIONS, AND THOSE UPHOLDING THE PROCESS OF WHAT WE AGREE WE BELIEVE IN WHICH IS THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING PROCESS THAT THE -- UNION AND MANAGEMENT WORKED TOGETHER TO NEGOTIATE UNION PAY THAT UPHOLDS MANAGEMENT RIGHTS TO STAFFING. I WANT TO LEAVE THE TECHNICAL DETERMINATION AND DISCUSSION TO CHIEF JARAMILLO, AND DO WANT TO SAY THAT YOU HAVE MULTIPLE PIECES OF INFORMATION THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WE ARE MAKING A DECISION TONIGHT ABOUT THE ADDITION OF THIS MODEL THAT HAS BEEN TESTED AND THAT HAS BEEN TESTED IN MULTIPLE STATIONS AND IT'S IN ADDITION TO A SMALLER NUMBER OF STATIONS WITH AN ADDITION OF FOUR VERSUS A DEPARTMENT-WIDE IMPLEMENTATION. BASED UPON OUR CHIEF'S DECISION TO LISTEN TO FEEDBACK FROM WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT. WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE WE GET THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CHIEF. >>COUN. BASSAN: I'M GOING TO COME BACK TO QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL. I WANT TO HEAR FROM CHIEF JARAMILLO AND I'M SURE WE CAN HAVE MORE QUESTIONS FROM ALL OF US. I IMAGINE WE'RE GOING TO AN IN-DEPTH DIALOGUE. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THIS TIME TO SPEAK ABOUT OUR CHANGES. I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL OF YOU. WHEN I LEARNED ABOUT THIS RESOLUTION FRIDAY NIGHT, I'M HAPPY THAT WE WERE ABLE TO SPEND TIME TO MEET. I KNOW I WASN'T ABLE TO MEET WITH EVERYBODY. I AS FIRE CHIEF HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT ANY IMMEDIATE ACTION TO A RESOLUTION OR ORDINANCE THAT DOES NOT INVOLVE INPUT FROM THE FIRE CHIEF AND OUR ADMINISTRATION AND MEDICAL DIRECTOR. I WANT TO ADDRESS A FEW THINGS THAT WERE SAID IN THE INTRODUCTION OF THIS. CALLING IT A SWEEPING CHANGE. THAT'S INACCURATE. WE HAVE IT TWO FIRE STATIONS. WE IMPLEMENTED TWO YEARS AGO WITH THIS MODEL. PREVIOUSLY, A LITTLE OVER TEN YEARS AGO, ENGINE TEN WHICH IS OFF OF RIO GRANDE IS A SINGLE ENGINE HOUSE. WE'VE OPERATING AS A SINGLE PARAMEDIC ON THAT ENGINE FOR OVER A DECADE. WE DID AN EXTENSIVE DEPARTMENT-WIDE SURVEY TO GET INPUT FROM FIREFIGHTERS IN 2021. AS A RESULT OF THAT SURVEY, THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF INFORMATION THAT WE USED TO HELP PILOT PROGRAMS. THAT WAS AT TWO STATIONS. AND WE TOOK FEEDBACK FROM THAT PILOT PROGRAM AND IMPLEMENTED AN OPERATIONAL CHANGE IN 2023. AT TWO FIRE STATIONS. STATION TWO, WHICH IS OFF OF I-25 AND GIBSON AND STATION 3 OFF UNIVERSITY. AT THESE STATIONS WE HAVE ONE PARAMEDIC ON THE ENGINE AND ONE PARAMEDIC ON THE TRANSPORT-CAPABLE UNIT. WHEN WE MADE THOSE CHANGES IN DISCUSSIONS WITH LABOR, THE REQUEST WAS TO ENSURE THAT THERE WAS PAY ASSOCIATED WITH THAT WORK. I AGREE WITH -- WE AGREE WITH PAYING OUR FIREFIGHTERS GOOD WAGES FOR THE WORK THEY DO. THEY WORK VERY HARD. THEY WERE VERY BUSY. AND WE ENTERED INTO AN MOU TO ESTABLISH PAY. THAT WAS THE ONLY REQUEST FROM LABOR. AND WE ESTABLISHED THAT PAY IN AN MOU. FOR TWO YEARS, WE'VE OPERATED AT THOSE TWO FIRE STATIONS. I HAVE NOT RECEIVED A COMPLAINT FROM LABOR RELATED TO THOSE CHANGES. I HAD SEVERAL FIREFIGHTER REACH OUT FROM THE STATION AND WE'VE HAD LOTS OF MEETINGS WITH THEM. THERE'S LOTS OF INPUT THAT WENT INTO THIS. SO, WHAT I DON'T HAVE ARE ANY GRIEVANCES. I DON'T HAVE ANY COMPLAINTS RELATED TO THOSE FIRE STATIONS AND THE OPERATIONAL SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE THERE. SO, FAST FORWARD INTO OUR NEGOTIATIONS FOR OUR LAST CONTRACT, AND PAY WAS REQUESTED FOR PARAMEDICS ON ANY TRUCKS THEY WORK ON. MY REQUEST DURING THAT WAS CAN I USE THEM. WE NEED TO USE PARAMEDICS. AND WE SELECT OUR AREAS VERY CAREFULLY. AND THESE ARE THINGS I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIT DOWN WITH EACH OF YOU TO TALK ABOUT THE STATIONS SELECTIONS. I DID COME OUT WITH AN INITIAL PLAN TO MAKE THE CHANGES ACROSS ALL STATIONS. AND I THEN PROCEEDED TO HAVE OVER 12 HOURS OF MEETINGS WITH FIREFIGHTER TO GET INPUT FROM FIREFIGHTERS. THERE WAS STILL DISCUSSIONS AT THAT TIME. WITH LABOR. WHEN I ROLLED OUT THE PLAN, OUR UNION LEADERSHIP WERE SOME OF THE FIRST PEOPLE TO LEARN OF THAT PLAN. BEFORE I ROLLED IT OUT TO THE REST OF AFR LEADERSHIP, THEY HAD A TWO-DAY NOTICE OF THAT. AND I KNOW THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A LOT OF TIME. BUT OVER THOSE TWO DAYS I DID NOT GET ONE PHONE CALL, WE NEED TO SLOW THIS DOWN, WE NEED TO TALK, FROM THE PRESIDENT, FROM UNION LEADERSHIP. WE HAD OUR MEETINGS. AND THEY DID COME UP WITH A COMPROMISE. TO SAY THIS IS A SWEEPING CHANGE, WE WENT FROM WHAT I INITIALLY AND STILL STAND BY HAD A LOT OF BENEFITS TO A PLAN THAT I'M ACTUALLY MORE COMFORTABLE WITH NOW AND HAS EVEN MORE BENEFITS. I WOULD GET TOO MUCH INTO THE WEEDS IF I GET INTO THESE DETAILS. THAT'S KWHIE WHY I WOULD APPRECIATE THE TIME TO MEET WITH EACH ONE OF YOU. ESPECIALLY THE ONES I HAVE NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SIT AND TALK WITH. I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR, THIS IS NOT A SWEEPING CHANGE. THIS IS FOUR MORE STATIONS. WE HAVE 22 FIRE STATIONS, SOON TO BE 23. THIS IS FOUR MORE FIRE STATIONS WHERE WE WILL HAVE THIS MODEL. I HAVE OUR MEDICAL DIRECTOR HERE TO TALK TO ME ABOUT THE BENEFITS OF THE MODEL THAT WE'RE TRYING TO IMPLEMENT. AND I WANT TO ADDRESS JUST RELATED TO THE FACT THAT WE KEEP CALLING THIS THE GOLD STANDARD. ACTUALLY, I BELIEVE OUR STAFFING PLAN PROVIDES MORE THAN A GOLD STANDARD AT THESE STATIONS WHERE WE HAVE ONE ON EACH TRUCK. I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY I BELIEVE THAT. RIGHT NOW, I'LL USE STATION 12 AS AN EXAMPLE. STATION 12 AS AN ENGINE AND RESCUE. WE HAVE TWO PARAMEDICS ON THE RESCUE AND WE HAVE FOUR FIREFIGHTERS THAT ARE EMT BASICS ON THE ENGINE. STATION 12 IS PRETTY FAR FROM THE HOSPITALS. AND THE RESCUES AND ENGINES DIVIDE EMS CALLS, THEY ALSO TAKE MEDICAL CALLS. 80% OF OUR CALL VOLUME IS MEDICAL CALS. WHEN RESCUE IS TIED UP, LOW ACUITY CALL OR HIGH ACAW -- ACUITY CALL. THE ENGINE WILL BE DISPATCHED WHETHER IT'S LOW ACUITY OR HIGH ACUITY. LET'S SAY THAT RESCUE, WITH THE TWO PARAMEDICS IS TIED UP ON A CHARLEY CALL FOR A STROKE. LET'S SAY A CARDIAC ARREST GOES OUT IN THAT DISTRICT, THE ENGINE WILL RESPOND AND FIREFIGHTER ARE EMT BASICS. THEY PROVIDE EXCELLENT CARE, BUT THEY DO NOT HAVE A PARAMEDIC ON THE TRUCK. THE BENEFITS OF THIS PLAN IS NOW THAT ENGINE CAN GET ON THE SCENE FASTER WHILE ANOTHER DISTRICT IS RESPONDING INTO A SYSTEM. WE'VE IMPLEMENTED THAT AT THE TWO STATIONS AND WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF SUCCESS WITH IT. THE OTHER PART OF THIS THAT WAS NOT MADE CLEAR IN THE EARLIER TALKING POINT IS ON IS CRITICAL CALL BOTH OF THE TRUCKS WILL STILL RESPOND, PROVIDING A TWO-PARAMEDIC RESPONSE. AT STATION 12, IF BOTH TRUCKS ARE IN HOUSE AND THEY GET A CARDIAC ARREST, SHOOTING, BOTH TRUCKS WILL RESPOND AND PROVIDE THAT TWO-PARAMEDIC RESPONSE. THE MENTORSHIP CAPE UP. A LOT OF IT HAPPENS AT THE STATION. I'VE BANE -- BEEN A PARAMEDIC FOR 20 YEARS. I WAS FORCED INTO PARAMEDIC SCHOOL, WHICH IS A WHOLE ANOTHER CONVERSATION. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE SAME ISSUE MY ENTIRE CAREER. WHEN THE RESOLUTION WAS PASSED IN 2016, ALL OF THE CONVERSATIONS WERE HAD IN OUR DEPARTMENT. AND THE PLANS TO GROW PARAMEDICS AND ALL OF THESE THINGS HAVE BEEN TRIED OVER AND OVER BY ADMINISTRATIONS AND WE ARE STILL HERE HAVING THE SAME CONVERSATION WITH A MUCH BUSIER SYSTEM WITH THE SAME STAFFING CHALLENGES WITH MY PARAMEDIC WORKFORCE STRUGGLING WITH BURNOUT ON THE RESCUE AND NOT HAVING THAT ABILITY. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU, CHIEF. I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT MORE QUESTIONS. I'M GOING TO STOP YOU THERE SO WE CAN KEEP MOVING ON. MS. KEEFE. AND WE'RE GOING TO COME TO COUNCILORS. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT. I WANT TO MAKE A FEW PRELIMINARY COMMENTS. ONE IS I WILL NOT SPEAK ANY ISSUE RELATED TO PPC. WHEN THERE'S ACTION AGAINST A COUNCILOR I'M NOT INVOLVED. I CANNOT SPEAK TO THE POLICY BEFORE THIS COUNCIL TO WHO HAS A BETTER PROPOSALAL FOR A STAFFING ARRANGEMENT FOR APPARATUS. NUMBER THREE, I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR ANY MEMBER OF COUNCIL CAN REQUEST MY OPINION ON ANY QUESTION AND THAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST. I HAVE GIVEN THAT OPINION WITHOUT CONSULTATION WITH THE ADMINISTRATION. THIS RESOLUTION CAME IN AT 5 O'CLOCK ON FRIDAY. THE ADMINISTRATION ASKED FOR MY ANALYSIS AND I GAVE THEM MY ANALYSIS. AND I RAISED THREE ISSUES. NUMBER ONE IS SEPARATION OF POWERS. AND AS DR. SENGEL POINTED OUT, IF YOU WATCH THE VIDEO FROM 2016 WHEN THE FIRST VERSION OF THIS RESOLUTION WAS INTRODUCED, CAO SAID THIS IS AN OBVIOUS SEPARATION OF POWERS QUESTION. BECAUSE STAFFING IS GENERALLY SPEAKING AN EXECUTIVE FUNCTION. AND OUR CHARTER AND GENERAL PRINCIPLES OF SEPARATION OF POWER ARE ASSIGNED EXECUTIVE FUNCTIONS TO THE ADMINISTRATION. NOW, THAT'S NOT TO SAY -- THIS IS A QUESTION. I'M NOT SAYING I CAN ANSWER THIS QUESTION DEFINITIVELY HERE TODAY. THESE PROCEEDINGS GO FURTHER, ULTIMATELY SOMEBODY MAY HAVE TO DECIDE THIS QUESTION AND WHAT THEY'LL BALANCE IS THE ADMINISTRATION'S RIGHT TO DETERMINE STAFFING VERSING THE RIGHT OF THE COUNCIL TO LEGISLATE SAFETY. MOST CASES HAVE SAID STAFFING BELONGS TO THE EXECUTIVE AND IN PARTICULAR THIS ISN'T A QUESTION OF STAFFING LEVELS BUT THE ARRANGEMENT AND PLACEMENT OF STAFFING WHICH GENERALLY GO TO THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH. I CAN'T ANSWER THIS QUESTION SPECIFICALLY. THAT WILL HAVE TO BE DONE AT SOME POINT IN TIME. THOSE ARE THINGS THEY WILL HAVE TO BALANCE. THERE'S THINGS OUT THERE THAT SAYS THIS BELONGS TO THE ADMINISTRATION. THERE'S A CURRENT ORDINANCE, THE ORDINANCE IS GIVEN TO THE CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER. AND THIS RESOLUTION SEEMS TO ATTEMPT TO OVERRIDE OR AMEND THAT ORDINANCE, BUT IT'S A RESOLUTION. AND IT'S NOT AN AMENDMENT TO THE SERVICE ORDINANCE. I'M NOT SURE THIS IS REALLY THE APPROPRIATE WAY -- IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO RESERVE FOR ITSELF SOME QUESTIONS REGARDING STAFFING BECAUSE IT THINKS IT RELATES TO SAFETY, THE BETTER APPROACH IS TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE TO SPECIFY THAT. FINALLY, THESE ARE RIGHTS THAT MANAGEMENT HAS. I JUST WANT TO FLAG THAT FOR THE COUNCIL. THIS IS A NEW CBA. IT WAS SIGNED IN JULY. AND MANAGEMENT SPECIFICALLY BARGAINED FOR THE RIGHT TO MAKE ASSIGNMENTS AND LOCATIONS AND THAT WAS BARGAINED FOR IN EXCHANGE FOR PAY INCREASES. THIS RESOLUTION WOULD EFFECTIVELY TAKE AWAY RIGHTS TO THAT MANAGEMENT JUST BARGAINED FOR. I'M NOT SURE THERE'S A SPECIFIC RULE OF LAW THAT SAYS THE COUNCIL CAN'T STEP IN AND TAKE AWAY RIGHTS BARGAINED BY MANAGEMENT OR UNION. I BELIEVE THE COUNCIL SHOULD THINK ABOUT WHETHER THAT'S WHAT IT WANT TO DO. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. ALL THESE ARE DIFFERENCES OF OPINION. EVEN DIFFERENCE OF LEGAL OPINION. MS. KEEFE, YOU GAVE YOUR OPINION. YOUR LEGAL OPINION. I THINK IF I WERE TO ASK YOU ABOUT SECTION EIGHT, COUNCIL POWERS, THE COUNCIL SHALL HAVE THE POWER TO ADOPT ALL ORDINANCES, RESOLUTION OR OTHER LEGISLATION FOR THE WELFARE OF THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY. I THINK THERE'S A LEGAL OPINION REGARDING THE COUNCIL DOES HAVE THAT ABILITY, HAS ON MANY OCCASIONS, APPLIED THAT TO STAFFING ISSUES AND ORDINANCES THAT THIS COUNCIL VOTES ON. AGAIN, LEGAL OPINION, I THINK IF I ASKED MR.MERO OR ANY OTHER ATTORNEY TO LOOK AT IT IN THAT LIGHT, I THINK WE WOULD HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS IN THAT REGARD. >> MAY I ANSWER THAT QUESTION? >>COUN. LEWIS: I'M STILL TALKING. I THINK THAT'S PRETTY CLEAR. LET ME ASK THE CHIEF. CHIEF, LET ME SAY THIS TOO, I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS WITH MULTIPLE CHIEFS OVER THE YEARS. CONVERSATIONS WITH MANY FIREFIGHTERS OVER THE YEARS ABOUT IT. I THINK THE FIRST TIME I REALLY HARD, AND JUST LIKE I THINK YOU COULD SAY THAT THE FIREFIGHTER MAY SAY IT'S SPRUNG, OR THE TUESDAY MEMO THAT YOU GAVE US I GUESS REALLY BROUGHT TO LIGHT THIS WAS THE DIRECTION YOU'RE ON WITH THIS CHANGE. WE COULD CHARACTERIZE THAT AS SPRINGING THAT ON US. I DIDN'T GO TO THE MEDIA, I DIDN'T CALL A PRESS CONFERENCE AS YOU DID TO SOMEHOW COMPLAIN ABOUT THAT. YOU DID GIVE ME A CALL. I CALLED YOU BACK. AT THE SAME TIME, YOU CALLED A PRESS CONFERENCE BEFORE THAT. I'LL ALSO SAY I'VE HEARD FROM A LOT OF FIREFIGHTERS TONIGHT, MEDICS, I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM ANY OF THEM THAT HAVE BEEN OF SUPPORT OF SOME OF THESE CHANGES. THE ONES I DID HEAR FROM, WERE SOME EMAILS THAT YOUR DEPUTY CHIEF SENT OUT SOME EMAILS CALLING US RECKLESS THAT THIS COUNCIL WAS RECKLESS FOR CONSIDERING THIS. AND THEN I GOT SOME EMAILS FROM PEOPLE THAT WERE REGURGITAING AND REPEATING THAT EMAIL. SO, I ALSO DID RESPOND TO SOME THINGS. I DIDN'T RESPOND IN -- I REALLY WANTED TO HONOR THE FIREFIGHTERS AND HONOR THE PEOPLE WHO SEE IT DIFFERENTLY. IT'S A DIFFERENT OPINION AND HONOR THEM TONIGHT FOR THIS COUNCIL TO WEIGH IN, HONOR THE UNION AND HONOR OUR FIREFIGHTERS TO SAY WE CAN HELP A DECISION ON THIS RATHER THAN LETTING IT GO AND THE DECISION WOULD BE MADE FOR THEM. THAT'S WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF WE DON'T ENACT THIS LEGISLATION TONIGHT. CHIEF, WOULD YOU SAY IT'S IDEAL TO HAVE TWO MEDICS ON A RESCUE? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, WOULD I BE ABLE TO LET MS. KEEFE -- >>COUN. BASSAN: I'M GOING TO COME BACK TO MS. KEEFE WHEN YOU'RE DONE ANSWERING THIS AND WE'LL MOVE ON. >> COUNCILOR LEWIS, I'M GOING TO START OUT, SINCE THE RESOLUTION WAS BROUGHT UP BEFORE THAT QUESTION, THE RESOLUTION FROM 2016 AND SECTION FOUR, ALSO STATES THAT SHOULD THE CHIEF MAKE OPERATIONAL CHANGES, THAT THE MODIFICATION TO THE RESOLUTION WOULD INCLUDE CONFERRING WITH THE FIRE CHIEF, ADMINISTRATION AND WITH THE COUNCIL. I FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS RESOLUTION AT 4:30 ON FRIDAY NIGHT. I DID NOT HAVE ANY TIME TO GET READY FOR THAT. I DID HAVE A COURTESY PHONE CALL TO COUNCILOR LEWIS AND TO COUNCILOR BACA. MY PHONE CALL WAS NOT RETURNED UNTIL THE NEXT DAY. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT, I RETURNED YOUR CALL ABOUT AN HOUR LATER. >> PLEASE LET ME FINISH. >>COUN. BASSAN: PLEASE FINISH AND I WANT YOU TO ANSWER HIS QUESTION PLEASE. >> THE ISSUE THAT I HAD WITH THIS IS THAT I WAS NOT CALLED BEFORE A RESOLUTION WITH STAFFING. TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, AND I ALSO ACTUALLY BROUGHT OUR MEDICAL DIRECTOR WHO IS THE EXPERT BECAUSE SHE'S A PHYSICIAN, AN EMERGENCY ROOM PHYSICIAN, THAT DICTATES ALL OF OUR OPERATIONS AND OUR LICENSURE AND AS OUR MEDICAL DIRECTOR WE WORK UNDER HER LICENSE. ANY TIME WE HAVE ANY TYPE OF TRAINING, WHETHER IT'S PARAMEDICS, WHETHER IT'S INTERMEDIATE -- >>COUN. BASSAN: I BELIEVE SHE'S ANSWERING THIS. YOU'RE ANSWERING IF IT'S IDEAL FOR TWO MEDICS. >> YES, THIS IS NOT A YES OR NO QUESTION. I WOULD APPRECIATE -- >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT -- >>COUN. BASSAN: BOTH OF YOU. PLEASE. IF WE CAN JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION. I APPRECIATE IT. I UNDERSTAND THERE IS CONTEXT. WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH THIS. WE CAN BE HERE BACK AND FORTH ALL NIGHT. WE ALL NEED INFORMATION. I DO THINK CHIEF IS TRYING TO ANSWER THE QUESTION. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR LEWIS, ANY TIME WE HAVE FIREFIGHTERS WITH HIGHER LEVELS OF TRAINING AS PROVIDING A BETTER SERVICE, HOW WE DISTRIBUTE THOSE FIREFIGHTERS IS WHERE WE GET CREATIVE, WHERE WE LOOK AT OUR SYSTEMS, AND WE LOOK AT HOW CAN WE BEST RESPOND TO WHAT WE ARE SEEING IN ALBUQUERQUE. THERE ARE AREAS OF ALBUQUERQUE THAT WILL STILL HAVE TWO PARAMEDICS ON A REST CUE UNDER THIS PLAN BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THAT DISTRICT NEEDS. YES, IN SOME AREAS, WE HAVE DETERMINED THAT STAFFING LEVEL IS IMPORTANT. THERE'S OTHER AREAS THAT WE HAVE RESEARCHED THAT ARE UNDER THIS MODEL WHERE THERE'S A PARAMEDIC ON EEFRP -- EACH APPARATUS. ANY TIME WE HAVE PEOPLE WITH HIGHER LICENSURE, THAT'S BETTER. YOU CAN'T DISPUTE THAT. >>COUN. LEWIS: CHIEF, YOU SAID IT'S IDEAL. IT IS IDEAL FOR TWO MEDICS ON THE RESCUE. DID YOU NOT SAY IT'S IDEAL? I THINK THAT WAS ONE QUOTE THAT I HEARD FROM YOU IN THE PAPER. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR LEWIS, I DID NOT SAY -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT QUOTE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. I DID NOT SAY THAT NOW. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: IS IT IDEAL TO HAVE TWO RESCUES ON -- TWO MEDICS ON THE RESCUE. >>COUN. BASSAN: I THINK CHIEF ANSWERED TO THE BEST OF HER ABILITY. >>COUN. LEWIS: CHIEF, WERE YOU ON THE NEGOTIATING TEAM FOR THE CBA? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR LEWIS NO. I WAS NOT ON THE NEGOTIATING TEAM. >>COUN. LEWIS: MS. SENGEL, WERE YOU ON THAT NEGOTIATING TEAM? >> NO, I WAS NOT. >>COUN. LEWIS: DO YOU KNOW IF SPLITTING RESCUES WAS EVER NEGOTIATING INTO THE CBA? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR LEWIS, SPLITTING RESCUES WAS NOT NEGOTIATED INTO THE CBA. WHAT WAS NEGOTIATED WAS LANGUAGE FOR THE FIRE CHIEF TO BE ABLE TO USE AVAILABLE PARAMEDICS AND INTERMEDIATES AS NEEDED FOR THE OPERATIONS OF OUR DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS MY MANAGEMENT RIGHTS TO MAKE STAFFING DETERMINATIONS. >>COUN. LEWIS: OKAY, BUT I DO THINK -- BECAUSE IT WAS INFERRED TONIGHT THAT SOMEHOW SPLITTING RESCUES WAS NEGOTIATED IN THE CBA. MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT WAS NOT. I THINK IT'S MISLEADING TO SAY IT. BY SAYING YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO MAKE OPERATIONAL CHANGES BUT SOMEHOW THAT APPLIES TO A PRETTY MAJOR STAFFING CHANGE LIKE THAT THEY HAS TO DO WITH OTHER THINGS THAT NEED TO BE NEGOTIATED WITHIN THAT CBA AS WELL. CHIEF, I GUESS I HAVE TO CORRECT YOU. I DID CALL YOU BACK AN HOUR LATER. YOU ACKNOWLEDGED THAT. YOU ACKNOWLEDGED YOU DIDN'T GET THAT MESSAGE. YOU ACKNOWLEDGED IN AN EMAIL THAT SAID YOU DID GET THE MESSAGE AN HOUR LATER AND YOU SCHEDULED A PRESS CONFERENCE BEFORE YOU EVER REACHED OUT TO ME ON THAT. SO, LOT OF THIS MISLEADING THINGS IN THAT PRESS CONFERENCE AND IN THE STAFF REGARDING THE COUNCIL'S INVOLVEMENT. AGAIN, I REFRAIN FROM ENGAGING WITH THAT IN THE MEDIA BECAUSE I WANTED TO GIVE -- TO HONOR THE FIREFIGHTERS AND HONOR THOSE THAT HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS. I THINK THIS IS THE BEST FORUM FOR IT. I DO WANT TO MENTION THE COMPLAINT. EVERYBODY IN THOSE NEGOTIATING TABLES HAVE THE ABILITY TO OFFER A COMPLAINT BEFORE THE LABOR MANAGEMENT RELATIONSHIP BOARD. AND THAT'S CERTAINLY THE RIGHT OF THE ADMINISTRATION. SO TO NAME THE UNION CHIEF AS WELL AS COUNCILOR BACA AND I, I GUESS THAT'S YOUR RIGHT. GO AHEAD AND DO THAT. I GUESS THAT'S FOR THE LABOR MANAGEMENT BOARD TO WORK OUT ALONG WITH NEGOTIATIONS THAT YOU ALL WOULD HAVE IN THAT REGARD. IT WAS DEFINITELY USED AS A THREAT AGAINST US. THE SPONSORS OF THE BILL. WE'RE GOING TO NAME YOU IN THIS LABOR COMPLAINT. I GUESS THAT'S HOW IT GOES AS WELL. I GUESS IT WILL END UP ON THAT BOARD AND YOU CAN WORK IT OUT IN THAT REGARD. YOU MENTIONED R-16-41 AND THERE WAS A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS IN 2016, BUT I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT ISSUES RELATED TO STAFFING, TO EQUIPMENT TO STRUCTURE OF THE DEPARTMENT, ALL THOSE THINGS WERE REVEAL IN THAT RESOLUTION, ALL THOSE THINGS WERE WEIGHED BY THE COUNCIL AS PART OF THE ORDINANCE. BY THE WAY, THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN INSINUATIONS THERE'S A SEPARATION OF POWERS. BUT THAT WAS NEVER DECIDED UPON. AGAIN, THOSE ARE DIFFERENTS OPINIONS IN THAT REGARD. YET, THE CURRENT STAFFING IS SOMETHING THAT WAS APPROVED BY THIS COUNCIL. SO, AGAIN, I THINK THOSE ARE ARGUMENTS THAT ARE MORE OF -- I WOULD RATHER US SPEND TIME TALKING ABOUT THE CHANGES OR THE TRUE DIFFERENCE OF OPINIONS. I GUESS SOME FACTS TO BACK IT UP RATHER THAN SOME OF THESE THINGS HAVE TO DO WITH THE COUNCIL'S ABILITY TO WEIGH ON THIS. FOR NOW, MADAM PRESIDENT, I'LL LET OTHER COUNCILORS ASK QUESTION. >>COUN. BASSAN: I'LL GO TO MS. KEEFE TO RESPOND. AND I'LL LET PRESIDENT TITMAN TO SPEAK. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT. I HAVE SAID, I DO THINK THERE'S AN ARGUMENT THAT THIS IS WITHIN COUNCIL'S RIGHT T REGULATE SAFETY. THE COUNCILOR'S QUOITATION OF SECTION EIGHT WAS INCOMPLETE. IT SAYS THE COUNCIL A SHALL HAVE THE ABILITY TO VIOLATE THE RESOLUTIONS OR ORDINANCES THAT IS NOT INCONSISTENT WITH THE CHARTER AND SHALL NOT PERFORM ANY EXECUTIVE FUNCTIONS EXCEPT THOSE ASSIGNED TO THE COUNCIL BY THIS CHARTER. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU, MS. KEEFE. PRESIDENT TITMAN. I KNOW THIS IS VERY SERIOUS. PLEASE HAVE YOUR MOMENT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE AN EQUAL SHARE. >> I THINK A LOT OF THINGS HAVE BEEN SAID. I THINK WE ALL WANT THE SAME THING, WHICH IS TO PROVIDE THE BEST SERVICE AS POSSIBLE TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. THE SPIRIT OF THE NEGOTIATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP BY DR. SENGEL AND DIRECTOR, WE HAVE ALWAYS AGREED WITH ALS EXPANSION. ALS EXPANSION UNDER THE AUSPICE IS TO CONTINUE TWO PARAMEDICS, AND BE ABLE TO EXPAND WITH A PARAMEDIC FIREFIGHTER IN THE ENGINE. IN OUR CONTRACT, WE CANNOT DO THAT UNTIL JULY 1st. WE CAN DO PARAMEDIC FIREFIGHTER AND CAPTAINS, BUT WE CAN'T DO IT UNTIL JULY. TO SPLIT ALL 20 RESCUES, THAT IS BARGAINING IN BAD FAITH. WE NEVER AGREED TO SPLITTING THE RESCUES IN CONTRACT. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU, MR. TITMAN. GOING TO -- COUNCILOR ROGERS WAS NEXT. I'M GOING TO GO COUNCILOR GROUT SINCE SHE'S NOT HERE. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THIS IS FOR CHIEF JARAMILLO. HAVE YOU WORKED WITH THE UNION ON ANY OF THESE ISSUES BROUGHT UP TODAY REGARDING PARAMEDICS AND STAFFING? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT YES. YES, WE HAVE. WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE A PAY PLAN IN THE CURRENT CONTRACT THAT GOES ALL THE WAY UP TO PARAMEDICS. IT SAYS RESCUE PARAMEDICS CAPTAINS IN THE CURRENT LANGUAGE. AND ANY POSITION THAT WE DESIGNATE DOES COME UP WITH THE PAY. I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT. ANY PARAMEDIC A THAT IS WORK IN THE CAPACITY OF PARAMEDIC IS GETTING PAID IN THOSE POSITIONS. WE -- I ALSO, ALONG WITH THAT, WANT TO SAY APPRECIATE THE ENGAGEMENT FROM OUR FIREFIGHTERS TONIGHT. WE HAD SO MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE. I KNOW IT WAS MENTIONED THERE'S NOBODY HERE SPEAKING THE OTHER SIDE. ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT WHEN -- I WAS IN THE UNION BEFORE I PROMOTED, WHEN THE UNION ORGANIZES THERE'S A COMMON MESSAGE THAT IS SHARED. AND IT'S VERY HARD IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T SHARE THAT COMMON MESSAGE. YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE UNION MEETING TO EXPRESS THAT DISSENTING OPINION. THIS WOULDN'T BE THE APPROPRIATE PLACE WITH OUR UNION STANDING BEHIND ME ORGANIZED FOR ANYONE TO COME UP AND EXPRESS DISSENTING OPINION. I HOPE THAT IF ANY OF YOUR FIREFIGHTER DID REACH OUT TO YOU, IT SOUNDS LIKE SOME OF THEM MAY HAVE REACHED OUT, YOU DO LISTEN TO ANYTHING THAT MIGHT COME THROUGH VIA EMAIL. IT CAME UP THAT I'M REFUSING TO GIVE LABOR A SEAT AT THE TABLE OR TALK WITH LABOR. I BELIEVE THAT'S A MISREPRESENTATION. WE HAVE HAD LOTS OF CONVERSATIONS, BOTH AT LABOR MANAGEMENT, ON THE RECORD, OFF-THE-RECORD, BUT WHEN THE ASK IS FOR ME TO GIVE AWAY A MANAGEMENT RIGHT TO STAFFING, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO AGREE WITH THAT. SO, THERE'S A STICKING POINT AND MAYBE A POINT OF INTERPRETATION IS THAT ME REFUSING TO TALK OR IS THAT ME REFUSING TO GIVE AWAY THE RIGHT TO STAFF THE DEPARTMENT. AS FAR AS INPUT AND PART OF THE ADMINISTRATION FOR A WHILE, I'VE ALWAYS TAKEN FEEDBACK AND WORKED WITH OUR UNION AND WITH OUR FIREFIGHTERS. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I HAVE A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS. FLAVOR HAS BEEN REFERRED TO THE AFR SYSTEM AS THE GOLD STANDARD. I THINK YOU HAVE AGREED WITH THAT. WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO MOVE AWAY FROM THAT? >> I WOULD LIKE TO ACTUALLY HAVE OUR MEDICAL DIRECTOR TALK A LITTLE BIT AS OUR EXPERT ABOUT THE BENEFITS OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. BECAUSE I THINK I'VE ALREADY ARTICULATED SOME OF THE REASONS I WOULD LIKE TO DO THIS. I WOULD LIKE TO CALL OUR MEDICAL DIRECTOR DR. KIMBERLEY PRUITT TO SPEAK TO THE BENEFITS OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. >>COUN. BASSAN: DOCTOR, PLEASE ASSIST ANSWERING COUNCILOR GROUT'S QUESTION. >> YES, MA'AM. MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. I JUST WANT TO START BY SAYING THAT I'M SO PROUD OF THE WORK THAT EVERYONE IN THE DEPARTMENT DOES. WE'VE SPOKEN A LOT ABOUT PARAMEDICS. I DON'T WANT TO DIMINISH THE WORK EVERYONE ELSE DOES AS WELL. I THINK EVERYONE WORKS AS A TEAM. CHANGE IS HARD AND IT CAN BE A LITTLE SCARY. EVERYONE HERE WANTS TO DO THE BEST THEY CAN FOR PATIENTS. INCLUDING THE ADMINISTRATION. I'VE WATCHED THESE CONVERSATIONS UNFOLD FOR -- BEFORE OCTOBER. FIRST AND FOREMOST, AND EVERYONE'S MIND IS WHAT'S BEST FOR THE COMMUNITY. WHAT'S BEST FOR PATIENTS. HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO THIS SAFELY. ALSO, STAFF OUR TRUCKS WITH EVER-INCREASING CALL VOLUME AND EVER-INCREASING ACUITY. AND TRANSPORTS THAT WE'RE DOING TOO. KNOWING THOSE RESCUES BEFORE WHEN YOU HAD THE LUXURY OF HAVING TWO PARAMEDICS THEY'RE GOING TO BE LEAVING THAT DISTRICT AND TAKING A PATIENT TO THE HOSPITAL AND LEAVING THAT DISTRICT WITHOUT THAT COVERAGE WITH BOTH OF THEM ON THE SAME APPARATUS. TO YOUR QUESTION, IS IT SAFE? CAN IT BE DONE? THE WAY PARAMEDICS ARE TRAINED IS WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT THEY WILL OPERATE INDEPENDENTLY. IF THIS IS A LUXURY, I DON'T KNOW ANY DOCUMENT THAT IT'S THE GOLD STANDARD. IS IT NICE TO HAVE? YES. IS IT THE WAY IT'S BEEN? YES. BUT THE WAY THESE FOLKS ARE TRAINED, AND I TRAIN THEM, I TEACH THEM EVERY THURSDAY, THE EXPECTATION WHEN THEY TAKE THEIR TEST FOR THE LICENSE, THE EXPECTATION WHEN I SET ACROSS FROM THE TABLE, AND I GIVE THEM A SCENARIO AND GIVE THEM A PATCH, THAT IS LEADING THE TEAM. DIRECTING THE TEAM. DIRECTING PATIENT CARE. COACHING MENTORING. AND IT'S NICE TO HAVE A PARTNER THERE WHEN YOU'RE FACED WITH A LIFE OR DEATH SITUATION. IT'S NICE TO HAVE A PEER THAT HAS THE SAME LEVEL OF TRAINING. THE EXPECTATION IS THEY CAN HANDLE THAT. NOW, WITH THIS MODEL, WITH ANY HIGH ASKEWTY CALL LIKE THE CHIEF HAD SAID, ANY HIGH ACUITY CALL, GUN SHOT, CARDIAC ARREST, UNCONSCIOUS, ALL OF THOSE CALLS STILL HAVE TWO PARAMEDICS ARRIVING ON THE TEAM. NO CARE IS DIMINISHED. THEY'RE JUST ARRIVING ON A DIFFERENT TRUCK. IN ADDITION TO THAT, AND OUR CITY WITH ALBUQUERQUE AMBULANCE SOMETIMES WE HAVE A THIRD PARAMEDICS. AND MANY CALLS WE HAVE EMS SUPERVISOR. YOU'RE LOOKING AT FOUR OR FIVE PARAMEDICS. THAT'S NOT EVEN COUNTING THE EXTRA HANDS. IT'S NOT DIMINISHED CARE. AND HONESTLY, WHAT THIS WILL DO BY SPREADING OUT THAT HIGHER LEVEL OF CARE, TO THE LOWER ACUITY CALLS, LIKE LET'S SAY SOMEBODY HAS A BROKEN ANKLE, OR FENDER-BENDER, TAKE THE BROKEN ANKLE THE APPARATUS THAT RESPONDS IS ENGINE. AND THEY DON'T CARRY NARCOTICS OR HAVE THE HIGHER LEVEL OF CARE BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE PARAMEDIC. WITH THIS EXPANSION, HAVING AN ENGINE THAT BRINGS THE PARAMEDIC TO THE SCENE TO THE LOWER ACUITY CALL, WE CAN ACTUALLY PROVIDE THAT EXTRA LEVEL OF PATIENT CARE. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU, DOCTOR. >>COUN. GROUT: JUST A COUPLE MORE. WHAT WILL THE EFFECTS AT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BE IF THIS RESOLUTION PASSES? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, THERE'S SEVERAL EFFECTS. SOME OF THEM THAT WE CURRENTLY ALREADY SEE THAT WE ARE TRYING TO FIX AND SOME OTHER EFFECTS THAT I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT, ESPECIALLY AS I DUG INTO. SOME OF THE OPINION THAT HAS COME OUT SINCE THIS RESOLUTION WAS PUBLISHED ON FRIDAY, SO THERE'S A LOT OF CONSEQUENCES RELATED TO JUST CHANGING THAT ONE WORD PARAMEDICS. IT REALLY HAMSTRINGS OUR ORGANIZATIONS IN A LOT OF WAYS. JUST THIS WEEKEND, WE HAD A CHALLENGED TRYING TO STAFF A RESCUE. THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH PARAMEDICS SIGNED UP FOR OVERTIME. SO, WE HAD A VACANT PARAMEDIC SPOT. THIS IS A PRETTY COMMON OCCURRENCE. SO, WHAT WE DO IS MOVE OUR BASIC OVER TO WORK AS THE PARTNER ON THAT RESCUE SO WE MAINTAIN THAT MINIMUM STAFFING. MY CONCERN IS IF I'M BOUND BY HAVING TWO PARAMEDICS ON EVERY RESCUE, WHEN I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SIGNED UP EVERY TIME, OUR FORCED HIRING WILL INCREASE. MEANING PARAMEDICS WILL CARRY THE BULK OF THIS BURDEN WHERE I HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY BECAUSE A LOT MORE FIREFIGHTERS IN OUR DEPARTMENT RIGHT NOW ARE BASIC. I CAN MOVE SOMEBODY OVER AND KEEP THAT UNIT IN SERVICE AND A LOT OF THIS IS ALL GOING TO CIRCLE BACK TO MY CONCERN ABOUT BURNOUT WITH OUR PARAMEDICS SIDE OF THE DEPARTMENT. GOING THROUGH ALL OF THE RELEASES, I SAW A QUOTE FROM OUR PREVIOUS FIRE CHIEF THAT WAS USED IN THE UNION'S PRESS RELEASE. IN 2019, HE ACTUALLY DROPPED OUR IN-HOUSE PARAMEDIC PROGRAM WHERE WE WERE ABLE TO TRAIN PARAMEDICS AT THE AFR ACADEMY. WE WERE ABLE TO CONTROL THE NUMBERS OF PARAMEDICS THAT WE WERE HAVING A LOT MORE CONTROL. IT WAS AGAINST MY RECOMMENDATION. I TRY TO KEEP THAT PROGRAM IN-HOUSE. I KNOW THE VALUE OF THAT. I WAS THE EMS DEPUTY CHIEF AT THE TIME. I KNEW THE VALUE OF KEEPING THAT PROGRAM. IT'S BEEN A CHALLENGE TO TRAIN. I APPRECIATE THE IFF IS SITTING ON THE -- IT'S A WAY FOR US TO WORK TOGETHER TO GET MORE PARAMEDICS. I'M WORRIED ABOUT AN EFFECT OF RECRUITMENT INTERNALLY IF MY ONLY PATH IN THIS DEPARTMENT IS STAY ON THAT RESCUE. WITHOUT HAVING THE NUMBERS, WE CAN'T GROW THE NUMBERS ON THE ENGINE. NOW, ALL OF THESE PARAMEDICS ARE STUCK ON THE RESCUE AND THEY'RE ONLY PATHWAY OFF IS PROMOTION. AND FOR SOME THAT CREATES A LOSS OF JOB SATISFACTION AND BURNOUT. LASTLY, MY MAIN CONCERNS FROM READING THROUGH THE LITERATURE AND STAFF ANALYSIS ACTUALLY AND SOME STATEMENTS THAT I'VE SEEN THROUGH PRESS RELEASES BY LABOR, IT REALLY SEEMS TO PAINT OUR RESCUES ONLY SERVE A MEDICAL ROLE. WE ARE FIRE-BASED EMS. OUR FIREFIGHTER ON THE RESCUE ALSO HAVE FIRE GROUND RESPONSIBILITIES. I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE LANGUAGE THAT I'M SEEING THAT MAKES IT LOOK LIKE THERE'S AN INTEREST IN US BEING A SINGLE-ROLE TRANSPORT ENTITY. WHICH MEANS THE EMS STAFF ARE NOT ALSO WORKING AS FIREFIGHTERS. I KEEP SEEING THE MEDICAL CALLS. OUR LADDERS AND SQUADS TAKE MEDICAL CALL. ALL OF THIS GOES BACK TO, I WOULD LIKE TO BE A PART OF THE CONVERSATION. OUR STAFFING, OUR OPERATIONS IS SO COMPLEX. IF THIS GOES THROUGH, IT'S GOING TO REALLY HAMSTRUNG US AND I'M REALLY WORRIED ABOUT PARAMEDIC BURNOUT AND ALL OF THE OTHER IMPLICATIONS OF HAVING A RESOLUTION GO THROUGH THAT I WAS NOT A PART OF THE CONVERSATION. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. CHIEF, JUST LIKE YOU WANTED INPUT ON THIS RESOLUTION, OUR TEAM WANTED INPUT ON THIS CHANGE. I SPENT THE AFTERNOON AT FIRE STATIONS, I WENT TO STATION THAT'S CURRENTLY RUNNING THIS WAY AND STATIONS THAT WERE NOT. SOME OPENED THE DOOR, OTHERS DID NOT. I WANT TO START BY SAYING, HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF KNOWLEDGE OF AN EMT BASIC IN THIS ROLE, MY GRANDFATHER BEING A STATE FIRE MARSHAL, HAVING A LOT OF FIRE FAMILIES, THIS TOPIC IS NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART. JUST TO JOG YOUR MEMORY, ALBUQUERQUE JOURNAL ARTICLE ON MARCH 1, YOU'RE QUOTED AS SAYING, JARAMILLO SAID, WHILE IT'S IDEAL, IT'S NOT NECESSARY TO HAVE TWO PARAMEDICS ON THE RESCUE UNIT. DO YOU RECALL THAT? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, THAT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING I WOULD HAVE SAID. >>COUN. ROGERS: CAN YOU TELL ME WHY WE'RE MAKING THIS CHANGE? WE'RE HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT ATYPICAL STAFFING AND RESPONSE TIME. OVER AND OVER YOU SAID WE ARE -- I WON'T USE THE WORD GOLD STANDARD, BUT WE ARE ABSOLUTELY MEETING THOSE METRICS AND EXCEEDING THOSE METRICS. I'M CURIOUS WHY, IF IT'S IDEAL, WHY THE CHANGE NOW? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, THE DISCUSSION ABOUT ATYPICAL APPARATUS IN HERE WAS RELATED TO ENGINES THREE PERSONNEL ON THE ENGINE. THE DISCUSSION IN HERE WAS NEVER SURROUNDING OUR PARAMEDIC STAFFING. SO, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE TO CLEAR UP THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD HERE WHEN I WAS REPORTING THAT INFORMATION WITH THE MONTHLY REPORT THAT SHOULD BE COMING BACK IT WAS RELATED TO ATYPICAL ENGINE. TO THE OTHER QUESTION ON THE BENEFIT, ESPECIALLY IN OUR BUSIER DISTRICTS THAT MAY HAVE HIGHER TRANSPORT, I'M REALLY TRYING TO DO A COUPLE OF THINGS. I'M TRYING TO TAKE WHAT WE HAVE, WHICH IS A VERY PRECIOUS RESOURCE, AND DIVIDE IT UP SO THAT WE CAN EXPAND THAT RESPONSE. WHAT I'VE SEEN, SINCE WE STARTED THIS TWO YEARS AGO, IS SOME OF OUR FIREFIGHTERS THAT ARE PARTICIPATING HAVE HAD THAT INCREASE IN JOB SATISFACTION BUT SOME OF THE YOUNGER FIREFIGHTERS DON'T HAVE TO THINK IF THEY GO TO PARAMEDIC SCHOOL EARLIER IN THE KIER THEY'RE GOING TO BE STUCK ON THE RESCUE. THEY'RE SEEING THE LEGACY FOR A WAY TO ROTATE OFF. RATHER THAN STAYING IN THIS REVOLVING ISSUE THAT WE'VE HAD FOR THE PAST 20 YEARS. SO, I SEE THOSE AS BEING TWO OF THE MAIN BENEFITS. IF WE WORK ON THAT AND BUILD UP THAT PARAMEDIC STAFFING AND BUILD UP MORE INTERMEDIATE, AND GROW IT FROM THERE. IF WE CONTINUE TO HAMSTRING PARAMEDICS INTO THE RESCUE DIVISION, I THINK THAT INSIDE TEN YEARS, IT'S VERY LIKELY THAT WE'LL HAVE THIS CONVERSATION BECAUSE PARAMEDICS ARE VERY HARD TO RECRUIT AND VERY, VERY HARD TO TRAIN ESPECIALLY WHEN PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO GO TO PARAMEDIC SCHOOL. >>COUN. ROGERS: MADAM PRESIDENT, I JUST WANT TO SEPARATE THE TWO ISSUES. THE PARAMEDIC PAY STRUCTURE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR STAFFING OF HOW YOU UTILIZE THOSE RESOURCES. I THINK FOR THE FIRST TIME BECAUSE WE'VE CHANGED THAT PAY STRUCTURE, WHICH DOESN'T START UNTIL JULY 1st, NOW YOU -- IS IT TRUE YOU HAD TO TURN AWAY PEOPLE FROM BEING IN MEDIC SCHOOL BECAUSE YOU HAD SO MANY PEOPLE SAY I WANT TO BE A MEDIC BECAUSE THE PAY STRUCTURE WAS FIXED? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, I'M SORRY TO CUT YOU OFF. WE'RE FORCING PARAMEDICS INTO -- I'M SORRY, FIREFIGHTER INTO PARAMEDIC SCHOOL UNTIL TWO YEARS AGO. I HAVE BEEN IN THE EMS -- MY WHOLE CAREER. IN THE LEADERSHIP POSITION, I WAS THERE HAVING TO FORCE PROBATIONARY FIREFIGHTERS TO GO UNTIL IT TWO YEARS AGO. THAT'S WHEN WE IMPLEMENTED THE PILOT. I CAN GET THE NUMBERS BECAUSE WE HAVE THEM ON RECORD WITH TRAINING DIVISION. IN 2023 WHEN WE IMPLEMENTED THE STAFFING CHANGES AT THE TWO STATIONS, ONE OF OUR HIGHEST YEARS OF INTEREST IS PARAMEDIC SCHOOL. THIS CONTRACT WAS PASSED IN JULY. AND WE JUST OPENED UP FOR ONE PROGRAM FOR THE SANTA FE PROGRAM LAST WEEK. SO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT INEFFECTS OF THIS NEW CONTRACT WILL BE. I CAN ONLY TALK ABOUT THE EFFECTS THAT WE SAW AFTER WE MADE THE TWO CHANGES SINCE 2023. >>COUN. ROGERS: SO, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS LAST CLASS YOU DID NOT HAVE TO TURN AWAY PEOPLE FROM PARAMEDIC SCHOOL? I HEARD THAT LOUD AND CLEAR FROM FOLKS THAT WANTED TO GO AND COULD NOT GO. >> COUNCILOR ROGERS, THAT'S CORRECT. THAT WAS AFTER THE OPERATIONAL CHANGES, NOT AFTER THE CONTRACT. >>COUN. ROGERS: OKAY. A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS, MADAM PRESIDENT. YOU TALKED LOT ABOUT YOUR MANAGERIAL RIGHTS. I WANT TO ASK PRESIDENT TITMAN A QUESTION. YOU WERE PART OF THE NEGOTIATIONS? >> COUNCILOR ROGERS, I WAS NOT. >>COUN. ROGERS: YOU WERE NOT? OKAY. THAT'S HARDER FOR ME TO ASK THE QUESTION IF HE WAS NOT IN THE NEGOTIATION. TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, WHO WAS IN THE NEGOTIATIONS THAT COULD ANSWER A QUESTION ABOUT THAT? COME ON UP. THANK YOU. THIS IS A KEY QUESTION FOR ME. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR ROGERS, THERE'S POTENTIALLY ONE -- I'M GOING TO ASSUME, FROM BOTH SIDES OF THIS. IT WOULD BE FAIR TO HEAR AN ANSWER FROM BOTH. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. BOTH OF YOU WERE INVOLVED IN NEGOTIATION FOR THIS ISSUE? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU. DURING THOSE NEGOTIATIONS, DID YOU MAKE IT CLEAR THAT YOU WERE GOING TO MAKE THIS BIG OF AN OPERATIONAL CHANGE WHEN WE WERE NEGOTIATING FOR YOUR MANAGEERIAL RIGHTS? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, THAT WAS NOT DISCUSSED AS FAR AS A CHANGE LIKE THAT. >>COUN. ROGERS: THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S PERFECT. MR. PUDRATI, DID YOU HAVE KNOWLEDGE DURING NEGOTIATIONS THAT THIS CHANGE WAS COMING AND YOU HAD GIVEN YOUR RIGHTS TO NEGOTIATE ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS NO. HAD WE BEEN AWARE OF THAT -- >>COUN. BASSAN: IN ALL DUE FAIRNESS, IF YOUR NOT GOING TO LET HIM ADD TO THE COMMENT. IT'S A SIMPLE YES OR NO, KEEP IT FAIR. >>COUN. ROGERS: PERFECT. THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN. CHIEF, HOW MANY EMT BASICS DO WE HAVE IN THE DEPARTMENT RIGHT NOW? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, I DO NOT HAVE THAT NUMBER IN FRONT OF ME. I CAN HAVE THAT DEPUTY CHIEF OF OPERATIONS GET THAT NUMBER. >>COUN. ROGERS: PERFECT. LET'S LOOK AT EMT BASIC INTERMEDIATES AND MEDICS. I'M INTERESTED TO LOOK AT -- BECAUSE THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SHORTAGE OF MEDICS. AND I JUST NEED TO SEE THE NUMBERS TO SEE IF THAT'S -- WE ACTUALLY HAVE A SHORTAGE. I THINK WE'RE MAKING CHANGES TO MEET A SHORTAGE THAT WE MAY NOT NECESSARILY ALWAYS HAVE. THE LAST QUESTION THAT I HAVE, YOU JUST HAD A RECENT BID. IF THIS CHANGES, WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT BID? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, I HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO LOOK INTO THAT BECAUSE I HAVEN'T -- WITH THE RESOLUTION BEING DROPPED SO QUICKLY, I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE WILL OBVIOUSLY BE EXPLORING. >>COUN. ROGERS: MADAM PRESIDENT, DO YOU THINK YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO A BIDDING PROCESS BASED ON STRUCTURES FOR MEDICS BEING SPLIT? I IMAGINE THAT'S HOW YOU SET THE BID. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, IN OUR BID PROCESS MEMO, I HAVE COMPLETE AUTHORITY OVER ANY STAFFING DECISIONS. SO, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO BIDS. I'LL NEED SOME TIME TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: BEFORE WE MOVE ON. DC, DID YOU HAVE THOSE? OR WILL WE CIRCLE BACK IN A LITTLE BIT? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, AS OF TODAY, WE HAVE 341EMT BASIC IN THE DEPARTMENT. 31 INTERMEDIATE. AND WE HAVE 161 PARAMEDICS ASSIGNED TO THE FIELD. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THAT'S A SHORTAGE? >> COUNCILOR ROGERS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT -- WHEN YOU HAVE TO COUNT OUR VACATION, SICK LEAVE, FMLA, DIFFERENT TIMES FIREFIGHTER ARE OFF, TYPICALLY WE NEED TO BACKFILL THOSE. WHEN WOW HAVE 141 THAT WE NEED. THE PROJECTION WE NEED IS 187 ON A DAILY BASIS. ALSO, JUST TO NOTE, I INCLUDED ALL OF OUR CAPTAINS ARE NOT CURRENTLY UTILIZING ALL OF THE PARAMEDIC CAPTAINS BECAUSE WE USE THEM IN SPECIALTY DIVISION. >>COUN. ROGERS: THAT BRINGS UP ANOTHER QUESTION. SO, IN THIS NEW SET UP WITH CAPTAINS, WOULD THEY HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE RESCUE? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, IN THE NEW SET UP THERE MAY BE SOME CHALLENGES WITH HOW THAT STAFFING WOULD UNFOLD AND HOW WE WOULD HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR BACKFILL THAT ARE VERY CONCERNING TO ME. WHICH IS, AGAIN, WHY WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE TIME TO DISCUSS BEFORE SOMETHING -- ONE WORD CHANGE. BECAUSE WE MIGHT HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL PARAMEDICS FROM THE RANK OF CAPTAIN AND BELOW TO ACCOUNT FOR THE NEEDS WE HAVE. WE ALSO HAVE OVER 40 PARAMEDICS ELIGIBLE TO RETIRE BY THE END OF THE YEAR. THEY WILL NOT. WE WILL NOT HAVE 40 PARAMEDICS RETIRE, BUT IT'S ANOTHER STAFFING CONCERN THAT I HAVE. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR? >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU. THAT BRINGS ME TO ANOTHER QUESTION. SO MANY LAYERS. I THINK BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THE LAYERS, I KNOW WE'RE GETTING MORE IN THE WEEDS THAN I THINK YOU WANTED TO. BUT THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR MY VOTE TO DECIDE. GIVEN THAT, WHAT'S THE PROCESS FOR FOLKS TO TEST OFF THE RESCUE. THEY DON'T WANT TO BE ON THE RESCUE, AND TO BE FAIR I WENT TO A STATION RUNNING THIS WAY, AND THEY DID LIKE IT. THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING THE PILOT, I HEARD FROM THEM THE THINGS -- TO BE BALANCED AND THE VOICE OF REASON HOPEFULLY, THEY LIKED THE ABILITY TO BE CROSS-TRAINED AND THEY COULD GET EXPERIENCE ON ALL THREE DIFFERENT TRUCKS THEY HAD OPPORTUNITY TO WORK ON. FOR ME, THAT WAS THE BIGGEST THING THAT I HEARD FROM THEM. BUT WHAT I HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR IS THEY ALSO WANTED MORE OF A SAY IN SPEAKING TO THEIR FELLOW FIREFIGHTERS ABOUT WHAT THIS FELT LIKE AND WHAT IT WAS LIKE FOR THEM. THEY DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THEY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY. OF THE FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE, HOW MANY OF YOU WERE ABLE TO ATTEND ONE OF THE MEETINGS AND GIVE YOUR INPUT? OKAY. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: ALL RIGHT. COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. MS. KEEFE, JUST IN YOUR OPINION, I KNOW THAT I WASN'T HERE IN 2016. AND THIS WAS REDUNDANT, THIS IS BEING PRESENTED AS AN AMENDMENT TONIGHT. IT IS MENTIONED THAT IT'S AN OVERSTEP OF BOUNDARIES. HOW IS THIS AN OVERSTEP NOW WHEN 2016 WASN'T? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, IF YOU WATCH THE VIDEO FROM 2016, CAO PERRY STATES HE BELIEVES THAT IT WAS AN OVERSTEP BUT HE'S NOT GOING TO MAKE AN OBJECTION BECAUSE HE AND THE FIRE CHIEF NEGOTIATED WITH THE UNION OVER OUR -- TERMS R-16-41 MEMORIALIZING THE STAFFING LEVELS THAT WERE IN PLACE. IN FACT, R-16-41 WAS AMENDED TO TAKE OUT THE WORD PARAMEDIC BECAUSE THE UNION AND THE ADMINISTRATION WERE STILL NEGOTIATING OVER PARAMEDICS AT THE TIME. AND THEY RECOGNIZED IT WOULD NOT BE PROPER TO HAVE A RESOLUTION BUT SPOKE TO STOPPIC THAT WAS UNDER NEGOTIATION AT THIS TIME. THAT'S THE CONTEXT IF YOU WATCH THE VIDEO. THEY HAD NEGOTIATED AN AGREEMENT IN ADVANCE OF THE COUNCIL MEETING AND AGREED TO VOTE FOR THE RESOLUTION. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. YOU HAD MENTIONED SOMETHING THAT A PARAMEDIC ADDED TO A RESCUE -- I'M SORRY, A PARAMEDIC -- YOU HAD SAID PARAMEDIC ON AN ENGINE, THAT ENGINE WOULD BE ABLE TO RESPOND QUICKER. HOW IS THAT SO? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, ENGINE CANNOT RESPOND ANY QUICKWER A PARAMEDIC ON THAT. I APPRECIATE THAT QUESTION SO I CAN CLARIFY. WHAT THAT MEANS IS IF THE RESCUE IS OUT ON A TRANSPORT, IF THEY'RE OUT ON ANOTHER CALL, THAT LEAVES THAT DISTRICTS WITH JUST THAT ENGINE TO RESPOND. AND HAVING A PARAMEDIC ON THAT ENGINE MEANS YOU CAN GET A PARAMEDIC TO THAT TEAM QUICKER BECAUSE THE WAY WE USE OUR DISPATCH IS WE MIGHT BE COMING OUT OF DISTRICTS RESCUES, BUT WE'LL SEND IN-DISTRICT ENGINE IF IT'S A CRITICAL TO START STABILIZING THAT PATIENT UNTIL THE RESCUE CAN GET THERE. SO WE CAN GET A PARAMEDIC QUICKER, BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE THE ENGINE GET THERE ANY FASTER. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: HOW OFTEN DO YOU CROSS DISPATCH OUT OF DISTRICT? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, IT'S FAIRLY FREQUENT IN CERTAIN AREAS OF ALBUQUERQUE, ESPECIALLY OUR SOUTHEAST AREA. THERE'S PRETTY FREQUENT CROSS DISPATCHING OR RESPONSE TO OTHER DISTRICTS. THAT'S ACTUALLY A DATASET WE COULD PULL AND PROVIDE WITH OUR CAD SYSTEM. TO SHOW HOW OFTEN THAT IS HAPPENING. IT'S FAIRLY REGULAR IN PARTS OF THE CITY. AND OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY HAVE DIFFERENT CHALLENGES. SOME OF THE WEST SIDE STATIONS HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A -- OUR SOUTHEAST STATION ARE REALLY CLOSE TOGETHER. OUR WEST SIDE STATIONS ARE FURTHER APART. WHEN WE DO CROSS THE DISTRICT IT MIGHT TAKE A WHILE TO GET THAT PROVIDER TO THE DISTRICT, SO THAT'S ANOTHER BENEFIT OF HAVING AN ADVANCED PERSON ON AN ENGINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: OKAY. MADAM PRESIDENT, CHIEF, IDEALLY IF YOU SEPARATE AND PUT TWO PARAMEDIC ON THE ENGINE AND PARAMEDIC ON THE RESCUE, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PARAMEDIC IF THEY TRANSPORT THEY CAN ATTEND TO THE PERSON AND LOWER BASIC PERSON CAN DRIVE? AM I CORRECT? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH TO SOME EXTENT? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, THAT IS CORRECT. GENERALLY, IF THERE'S TWO PEOPLE ON THE RESCUE AND THEY'RE TRANSPORTING AND NOT ASKING FOR A RIDE FROM THE OTHER TRUCK, THE DRIVER WOULD DRIVE AND THEN THE OFFICER OR THE PARAMEDIC WOULD BE IN THE BACK. SO IN THE INSTANCE IT'S AN EMT-BASIC WORKING WITH THE PARAMEDIC, THE EMT IS DRIVING. IF THEY'RE TRANSFERRING IN A DUAL MEDIC AND THERE'S NOBODY ELSE JUMPING INTO ASSIST WE HAVE PARAMEDIC DRIVING AND A PARAMEDIC IN THAT BACK TEND TO THE PATIENT. SGLFRP MAD . >>COUN. CHAMPINE: MADAM PRESIDENT, WE STARTED CHARGING BACK WHEN WE TRANSPORT, MEDICARE. HOW MUCH DO WE CHARGE? >> COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, WE RESPOND -- WE BILL OFF THE STATE'S -- MEDICAID REIMBURSEMENT FOR TRANSPORT IS ABOUT WHAT WE RECROUP IS ABOUT -- I WOULD HAVE TO GET THAT NUMBER. I HAVE IT FOR THE MEDICAID QUESTIONS. WE DO BILL FOR TRANSPORT. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: MADAM PRESIDENT, HOW MUCH DO WE ANNUALLY SINCE WE STARTED BILLING? HOW MUCH HAVE WE GOT BACK? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, I HAVE THOSE NUMBERS. I DON'T HAVE THEM IN FRONT OF ME. THEY FLUCTUATE BASED ON THE DEMANDS OF THE SYSTEM. THEY WERE REALLY HIGH, THEN WE WENT THROUGH A YEAR WHERE THEY DROPPED AND THE SYSTEM IS REALLY BUSY SO WE'RE HIGH AGAIN. I CAN PROVIDE -- >>COUN. CHAMPINE: WHAT'S THE HIGHEST? YOU KNOW IT FLUCTUATES, GIVE ME A GUESS PLEASE. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, LOOKING AT THIS BREAKDOWN HERE IN FY22, WE HAD 2,731 TRANSPORTS AND WE RECEIVED $648,000. IN FY24, WE HAD 2,139 TRANSPORTS AND THAT WAS $875 THP,000 IN $875,000 IN REIMBURSEMENT. AND FY2025, 2,100 TRANSPORTED AND 372 RIGHT NOW. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: JUST A FEW MORE, MADAM PRESIDENT. IT'S SAFE TO SAY IF YOU'RE ABLE TO TRANSPORT MORE YOU'RE ABLE TO BILL MORE AND COULD GENERATE MORE MONEY, CORRECT? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE YES. BUT, AS THE PRIMARY RESPONSE AGENCY FOR THE CITY, WE REALLY VALUE OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH ALBUQUERQUE AMBULANCE TO TRY TO KEEP FIRE RESOURCES IN DISTRICT AND NOT -- BECAUSE AS WE TRANSPORT THEN WE'RE PULLING THE FIRE RESOURCES OUT OF OUR DISTRICT SO WE REALLY TRY TO WORK WITH ALBUQUERQUE AMBULANCE TO TRANSPORT MAINLY BASED OFF OF THE NEEDS OF THE SYSTEM BUT NOT TO GENERATE REVENUE BECAUSE AN ENTIRE DISTRICT COULD BE STRIPPED OF OUR SERVICES AND WE'RE A TWO-TIERED SYSTEM, WHICH I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE WEEDS BECAUSE I CAN TALK FOR HOURS ABOUT THE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: I UNDERSTAND. I RECALL RESCUE WOULD WAIT. UNLESS IT WAS A CATEGORY ONE RESCUE WOULD WAIT FOR ALBUQUERQUE AMBULANCE TO SHOW UP. 15 OR 20 MINUTES AT A TIME. I RECALL. WHAT'S THE POLICY RIGHT NOW, MADAM PRESIDENT -- YOU HAVE A POLICY THAT'S MINIMUM STAFFING LEVEL. HOW DOES THIS CHANGE THAT POLICY IF THIS -- IF YOU'RE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT THIS NOW? >> MADAM CHAIR, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, WE HAVE SEVERAL POLICIES THAT WILL NEED TO BE CHANGED. ONE OF WHICH WOULD BE THE MINIMUM LEVELS ON THE RESCUE. IT WOULD STAY TWO FIREFIGHTERS. WE CANNOT OPERATE A RESCUE WITHOUT TWO FIREFIGHTERS ON IT. THAT WILL STAY THE SAME. BUT THE LEVELS OF LICENSURE FOR MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS COULD CHANGE. WHERE WE DON'T CONSIDER NOT HAVING TWO PARAMEDICS AS AN ATYPICAL RESCUE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: OKAY. MADAM PRESIDENT, YOU CURRENTLY HAVE OVERTIME AVAILABLE FOR RESCUES TO FILL IN SPOTS AND PARAMEDIC CAN FILL IN SPOTS ? HOW MUCH IS THAT OVERTIME BUDGET ANNUALLY? >> COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, I'M LOOKING AT MY -- OKAY. OUR OVERTIME IS VERY HARD TO EXPLAIN. IF ANYBODY HAS EVER LOOKED AT OUR OVERTIME, BUT ANYWHERE FROM 1 TO $2 MILLION IS WHAT WE'RE BUDGETED FOR. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: MADAM PRESIDENT, BY SPLITTING THIS UP, THAT WOULD REDUCE THAT TO SOME EXTENT. YOU CAN MANIPULATE THE MAN LEVELS SO THAT'S NOT USED AS MUCH? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, WE WOULD STILL BACKFILL PARAMEDICS WITH PARAMEDICS. SO, IT WOULD NOT MAKE A HUGE IMPACT ON OUR OVERTIME BECAUSE THE PARAMEDIC MOVED TO THE ENGINE WE WOULD BACKFILL THAT PARAMEDIC WITH A PARAMEDIC. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THANK YOU, EVERYBODY. I KNOW THIS IS A LONG DISCUSSION. I HAVE TO ADMIT I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF STAFFING. AND UNTIL FRIDAY NIGHT WHEN I SAW THIS PROPOSAL, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT I NEEDED TO KNOW ABOUT STAFFING AT AFR. PLEASE FORGIVE THE BASIC QUESTIONS. I'M TRYING TO LEARN, SINCE WE'RE GOING TO APPARENTLY VOTE ON THIS. I LEARNED ABOUT THIS ON FRIDAY NIGHT. WE HEARD EARLIER THAT PARAMEDICS ARE DROPPING THEIR CERTIFICATES BECAUSE OF THIS CHANGE. IS THAT TRUE? HAVE YOU SEEN FOLKS THAT ARE SAYING I DON'T WANT TO KEEP THE CERTIFICATION? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, WE HAVE HAD PARAMEDICS DROP THEIR LICENSES IN THE PAST FEW YEARS. AND IT'S A DIFFICULT PROCESS, DEPENDING ON YOUR RANK IN THE DEPARTMENT. BUT WE HAVE HAD SOME PARAMEDICS DROP LICENSES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU. YOU SAID THAT YOU'VE HAD TWO STATIONS THAT WERE ALREADY USING THIS AND THERE HASN'T BEEN GRIEVANCES, FOR ME, HAVE YOU SEEN ANY DATA THAT ARE SUGGESTING MORE PEOPLE ARE DOING OR IMPACTS ON THE PEOPLE OF ALBUQUERQUE RATHER THAN IMPACTS ON STAFF? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, WE HAVE LOOKED AT OUR RESPONSE IN THOSE TWO AREAS AND WE DO NOT HAVE ANY TRENDS THAT IN EITHER OF THE DISTRICTS THAT PEOPLE ARE DYING AT HIGHER RATES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU FOR THAT, MADAM PRESIDENT. AND THE CHANGING THE POLICY THAT WOULD CHANGE ON THIS WEEKEND, ON THE 8th, YOU SAID THERE WILL BE FOUR MORE STATIONS, HOW WERE THOSE STATIONS CHOSEN? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, YES, WHEN THE STAFFING CHANGES WOULD GO INTO EFFECT IT WOULD BE MARCH 8th WITH THE PAY PERIOD. AND THE FOUR STATIONS WE SELECTED WITH THIS MODEL WERE SELECTED USING A COMBINATION OF FACTORS. ONE OF WHICH WAS THEIR LEVEL OF HIGHER ACUITY CALLS. SO, THE SECOND WAS THE AMOUNTS OF TRANSPORTS. AND WE ALSO FACTORED IN -- SLIGHTLY FACTORED IN, TRANSPORT TO THE HOSPITAL IN THE SELECTION OF THESE FOUR. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: AND THE REST OF THE STATIONS WOULD REMAIN WITH THE TWO PARAMEDIC MODEL FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN YES. THE REST OF THE STATIONS, NOT INCLUDING THESE SIX BECAUSE THE OTHER TWO STATIONS WILL REMAIN IN THIS MODEL, THE REST OF OUR STATIONS WOULD REMAIN WITH THE MODEL WITH TWO PARAMEDICS ON THE RESCUE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS. WHY DON'T WE JUST HIRE MORE PARAMEDICS AND SOLVE THIS PROBLEM? >> MADAM CHAIR, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, THAT'S THE MILLION-DOLLAR QUESTION. WE HAVE A SIGNING BONUS FOR PARAMEDICS TO COME. WE'RE LUCKY IF WE GET ONE, TWO THAT MAKE IT THROUGH TO OUR ACADEMY. WE REALLY RELY ON INTERNAL RECRUITMENT FOR OUR PARAMEDIC PROGRAM. IT IS A STRUGGLE WHEN YOU SEE ALL THE ISSUES THAT GO INTO OUR STAFFING AND OUR OPERATIONS. IT CAN BE A STRUGGLE TO RECRUIT. SO, WE ARE WORKING WITH THE COLLEGES, LIKE WE SAID, THE IFF ARE SITTING WITH THE COMMITTEE TO TRAIN MORE PARAMEDICS. WE ALSO HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S JOB SATISFACTION FOR PARAMEDICS WHETHER THEY PREFER WORKING IN THE DUAL MODEL OR FOR OUR PARAMEDICS THAT ARE VERY EXCITED THAT THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO BID INTO A POSITION ON THE ENGINE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I WOULD SAY THAT I GOT ABOUT HALF OF THE EMAILS TODAY WERE AGAINST THIS CHANGE AND THE OTHER HALF WERE I WANT THIS CHANGE. I'M VERY CONFUSED. WHY IS IT SO HARD TO HIRE PARAMEDICS? IS THERE SOME CULTURE CHANGE THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN? DO WE NEED TO PAY MORE? DO WE NEED -- WHAT ELSE NEEDS TO HAPPEN? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, THERE IS AN INTERESTING CULTURE IN OUR DEPARTMENT AROUND OUR RESCUES. AS A LIFELONG PARAMEDICS WE'VE BEEN CALLED NURSES, WE'VE BEEN -- IT'S IN OUR FIREFIGHTER CULTURE THE RESCUE HAS AN INCREDIBLE IMPORTANT ROLE ON THE FIRE GROUND. THEY'RE THE ONES THAT GO IN AND DO SEARCH FOR VICTIMS. BUT YOU'RE NOT RIDING ON THE ENGINE, YOU'RE NOT GETTING THAT TIME ON THE LADDER. SO, I THINK THERE'S FIREFIGHTERS THAT SEE OTHER DEPARTMENTS WHERE THEY'RE UTILIZING FIREFIGHTERS ON OTHER TRUCKS. IN THIS DAY AND AGE WHERE WE HAVE MORE COMPETITIVE NEIGHBORING DEPARTMENTS WITH RECRUITMENT, WE'RE REALLY ALL COMPETING FOR THAT VERY PRECIOUS RESOURCE. A BIG PART OF THIS CHANGE AND PROBABLY WHY YOU SAW DIVIDED EMAILS IS IT'S A VERY DIVIDED ISSUE DEPENDING ON IF YOU TALK TO THE PARAMEDIC THAT HAS TWO YEARS ON THE JOB, OR THE PARAMEDIC THAT HAS 24 YEARS ON THE JOB. HAVE THEY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE UP OR HAVE THEY TRIED. I KEEDENYING CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS BECAUSE THEY'RE PARAMEDICS AND I CAN'T ALLOW THEM TO HAVE LATERAL FLEXIBILITY IN THEIR CURRENT RANK. THEY CAN ONLY PROMOTE OFF OF THAT TRUCK. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF CULTURE ISSUES THERE THAT IS PROBABLY WHY YOU SAW THOSE DIVIDED EMAILS FROM OUR FIREFIGHTERS. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. CAN YOU WALK ME THROUGH HOW THIS IS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN, THESE TYPES OF CHANGES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE NEGOTIATED WHEN COUNCIL IS NOT INVOLVED. I'VE NEVER BEEN INVOLVED IN ONE OF THOSE. I'D BE HAPPY TO NEVER BE INVOLVED IN ANOTHER ONE. CAN YOU TALK US THROUGH WHAT THAT PROCESS IS SUPPOSED TO BE? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, YES WE MAKE FREQUENT CHANGE IN OUR DEPARTMENT. WE TRY TO MAKE CHANGE WITH DATABASED ON THE NEED OF OUR DEPARTMENT. WE MOVED A BATTALION CHIEF ROLE INTO ANOTHER DIVISION. WE BROUGHT THAT TO LABOR MANAGEMENT. WE MADE SURE THEY UNDERSTOOD WE WERE GOING TO CHANGE THE RULE OF THE BATTALION CHIEF. THERE'S A LOT OF DIALOGUE THAT GO INTO CHANGES, DATA, THINGS LIKE THAT. MY CONCERN HERE IS THAT I AM NOT AWARE OF A TIME THAT ANY CHANGE IN THE DEPARTMENT IN A PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENT IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS BEING DICTATED BY ELECTED OFFICIALS. I THINK THAT I'M ALWAYS OPEN FOR DIALOGUE. OBVIOUSLY WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DIALOGUE TONIGHT. AND THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES THAT GO INTO HOW WE MAKE OUR STAFFING DECISIONS. WHEN WE GET TO A POINT WITH LABOR WHERE WE'RE HAVING A DISAGREEMENT, THERE'S A WHOLE OTHER PROCESS IN NEGOTIATION PROCESS THAT INVOLVES THE LABOR BOARD. AND THE LABOR BOARD HAS A LOT OF AUTHORITY WHEN THERE'S DISAGREEMENTS BETWEEN WHAT LABOR IS FEELING AND WHAT MANAGEMENT IS FEELING THAT IS MORE APPROPRIATE PLACE TO RESOLVE A DISCREPANCY. IT'S CLEAR TONIGHT WITH EVERYBODY THAT HAS SPOKEN THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN OPINION ON COMMUNICATION. AND THE LABOR BOARD IS SKILLED AND APPROPRIATE TO RULE ON THAT. IN THIS -- HAVING A RESOLUTION THAT DICTATES LIFELONG CHANGES FOR OUR DEPARTMENT TO HAVE IT -- TO FIND OUT ABOUT IT FROM A FRIDAY WITH IMMEDIATE ACTION ON A MONDAY IS VERY CONCERNING PRECEDENT TO SET AS A FIRE CHIEF. IT'S CLEAR WE NEED MORE DIALOGUE. WE WANT TO DISCUSS THIS RESOLUTION. WE WANT TO DISCUSS THE IMPLICATIONS WITH EVERYBODY INVOLVED. IT EVEN STATES IN THE CURRENT RESOLUTION THAT THOSE DISCUSSIONS SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED PRIOR TO THE AMENDMENT AND THEY DIDN'T. SO, THERE IS A PROCESS -- DWLNG LABOR BOARD IS VERY APPROPRIATE. BUT I ALSO DO NOT WANT TO NOT POINT OUT WE WOULD BE WILLING TO DISCUSS THE LANGUAGE IN THE RESOLUTION AS IT STATES IN THE CURRENT RESOLUTION. WE HAVE NOT HAD THAT OPPORTUNITY. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. ONE LAST QUESTION. I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS FOR THE CHIEF OR FOR, PERHAPS, MS. KEEFE. I'M CURIOUS, IF THIS PASSES, AND WE SAY THE CITY COUNCIL IS NOW SETTING STAFFING REQUIREMENTS OR LEVELS OR WHATEVER WE WANT TO SAY, DOES THIS -- IN MY OPINION, SET A SCARY PRECEDENT IF THINGS DON'T GO RIGHT IN THE NEXT NEGOTIATION, IS THIS NOW THE NEXT STOP FOR EVERY STAFFING PROBLEM WE HAVE IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE? I TRULY AM NOT QUALIFIED TO BE VOTING ON THIS. I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF STAFFING ON ANY DEPARTMENT. I DID NOT RUN FOR COUNCIL TO BE IN HR. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, ARE WE SETTING OURSELVES UP TO BECOME DE FACTO HR WITH THIS TYPE OF LEGISLATION? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, I THINK THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION GOES BACK TO THE ANSWER -- THE QUESTION YOU JUST ASKED THE CHIEF, WHICH IS WHERE IS THIS SUPPOSED TO GO. THERE IS A PROCEDURE FOR WHEN THE UNION DOES NOT AGREE WITH MANAGEMENT AS TO HOW THAT'S DEALT WITH. THEY CAN GO TO THE LABOR BOARD. THE LABOR BOARD CAN APPOINT A MEDIATOR. THEY CAN SEND THEM TO ARBITRATION. THERE ARE WAYS FOR THE UNION TO GET RELIEF NOT THROUGH THE POLITICAL PROCESS. I DO BELIEVE THE TERMS OF THE LABOR MANAGEMENT RELATION ORDINANCE, WHICH IS AN ORDINANCE PASSED BY THIS COUNCIL, THE LABOR BOARD IS CREATED BY THIS COUNCIL. THE PROCEDURES ARE CREATED BY THIS COUNCIL. THAT ORDINANCE SAYS THAT THE ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO GET INVOLVED IN THOSE DISPUTES UNDER NEGOTIATION. DID YOU WANT TO CLARIFY TO COUNCILOR ROGERS'S POINT, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE NEGOTIATIONS THAT RESULTED IN THE CBA, THERE HAVE BEEN NEGOTIATIONS BETWEEN THE CHIEF AND MANAGEMENT AND THE UNION ONGOING ABOUT THIS SPECIFIC ISSUE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT INFORMATION. I'VE LEARNED A LOT TONIGHT. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR LEWIS, YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THIS. I WANTED MAKE SURE WE -- >>COUN. LEWIS: JUST BRIEFLY. I DEFINITELY WANT TO HEAR FROM THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE FIREFIGHTERS AGAIN TONIGHT BASED ON SOME OF THE RESPONSES. AND TAKE SOME TIME LATER ON TO CLOSE. WE'LL HEAR FROM OTHER COUNCILORS. I DO WANT TO SAY R-16-41 INCLUDED STAFFING. IT INCLUDED STAFFING APPARATUS. ALL THROUGHOUT IT. THERE IS PRECEDENCE FOR ALL OF THIS. WE'RE NOT SETTING ANY PRECEDENCE TONIGHT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S VERY CLEAR. EVERYTHING FROM EQUIPMENT TO STATIONS, WE WENT ON THESE THINGS ALL THE TIME. THERE'S PRECEDENCE. BY THE WAY, R-16-41 WAS SIGNED BY THE MAYOR AT THE TIME. IT'S HARD TO MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT THE ADMINISTRATION DIDN'T AGREE THAT THE COUNCIL HAD THIS ABILITY AS WELL. BECAUSE THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME DIFFERING OF OPINIONS, BUT THE MAYOR ENDED UP SIGNING THAT RESOLUTION THAT INCLUDED STAFFING CHANGES AND BY THE WAY, CHIEF, THOSE HAD LIFELONG IMPLICATIONS. WE'VE DONE ALL THAT. AND WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT TONIGHT. AND BY VOTING ON THIS RESOLUTION TONIGHT, BY APPROVING THIS RESOLUTION TONIGHT WE GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO BACK AND ACTUALLY GET CONSENSUS WITH THE FIREFIGHTERS. IF WE DON'T VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT, YOU'LL MOVE ON THROUGH AND MAKE THE CHANGES WITHOUT THE CONSENSUS OF THE FIREFIGHTERS. I THINK TONIGHT WE'RE REALLY HONORING, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE THAT SERVE US THAT HAVE SOME DIFFERENTING OPINIONS ON THE BEST WAY TO PROVIDE SERVICES. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. LOTS OF DISCUSSION GOING ON HERE. I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR THE FIRE CHIEF. ACTUALLY, THREE QUESTIONS. FIRST OF ALL, YOU ACTUALLY SAID YOU HAD TWO FIRE STATIONS. STATION TWO, THREE, WITH ONE PARAMEDIC ENGINE. IS THAT CORRECT? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, WE HAVE TWO STATIONS WITH THE SPLIT MODEL WITH THE ENGINE AND RESCUE AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T FORGET ABOUT STATION TEN OFF RIO GRANDE. THERE'S ONLY AN ENGINE THERE AND THEY HAVE ONE PARAMEDIC ON THAT ENGINE. THEY JUST DON'T HAVE A RESCUE. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: IS A RESCUE PARAMEDIC UNIT EVER DISPATCHED TO ASSIST WITH ANY OF THOSE UNITS? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ YES. THERE'S RESCUES AT THOSE STATIONS AND IF EVERYBODY IS TIED UP, THEN AN OUT OF DISTRICT RESCUE WOULD RESPOND. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: SO THEY DO RESPOND TO THOSE DISTRICTS OR THOSE STATIONS TO HELP THOSE FIREFIGHTERS THAT ACTUALLY MIGHT NEED HELP IF THEY NEED A PARAMEDIC? >> YES. THERE'S SOME AUTODISPATCH THERE AND ALSO ANY TIME ANY OF OUR UNITS REQUEST ADDITIONAL ASSISTANCE, THEY'RE ABLE TO GET THAT GRANTED THROUGH OUR DISPATCH CENTER AS WELL. IT GETS AUTOBUILT IN WHERE RESCUES CAN ASSIST AND THERE'S THE ABILITY TO REQUEST. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THEY WILL GET HELP. OKAY. THE NEXT THING, YOU MENTIONED THERE WAS A SURVEY? WHAT ARE THE RESULTS OF THE SURVEY? WHEN YOU SURVEYED THE FIREFIGHTERS. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, THERE WAS A SURVEY THAT WE RELEASED IN 2021, I HAVE -- THERE WAS SEVERAL QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED BEFORE WE STARTED EVEN DECIDING TO PILOT THIS. I WOULD BE REALLY HAPPY TO SHARE THE SURVEY RESULTS WITH YOU. I KNOW WE TRIED TO CONNECT TODAY AND WE WEREN'T ABLE TO. I'D BE HAP TO SHARE THOSE RESULTS. I CAN, AT A HIGH LEVEL, SPEAK -- >>COUN. SANCHEZ: DO YOU HAVE THE ACTUAL RESULTS OF THE SURVEY? DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE BREAKTOP DOWN WAS ON THAT SURVEY? THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR US AS WELL. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, THIS SURVEY WAS SENT TO CAO NAIR WITH THE PROPOSAL OF OUR PILOT TO START THIS MODEL AT TWO STATIONS. THE SURVEY RESULTS, I'LL HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THEM. I'M HAPPY TO SHARE THE WHOLE SURVEY. IT'S BROKEN DOWN BY LICENSURE LEVEL. WHICH OF THE FOLLOWING DO YOU FEEL WOULD MOTIVATE MEMBERS TO ENROLL IN PARAMEDIC SCHOOL MOST, OUR DEPARTMENT WAS SURVEYED, 735 RESPONSES AT THAT TIME. THE NUMBER ONE ANSWER WITH 37% OF OUR DEPARTMENT WAS HAVING THE ABILITY TO WORK ON ALL APPARATUS IN THE SYSTEM. FOLLOWED BY 33% INCREASE IN PARAMEDIC PAY, WHICH WE DID ACCOMPLISH. FOLLOWED BY 14% MONETARY INCENTIVE FOR ATTENDING PARAMEDIC SCHOOL FOR MEMBERS. WE DO HAVE THAT. WE HAVE A BONUS. AND FOLLOWING THAT IS 15% I WOULD ONLY GO TO PARAMEDIC SCHOOL IF I WAS FORCED. ANOTHER RELEVANT QUESTION IN THE -- >>COUN. BASSAN: HOLD ON ONE SECOND. IN ALL FAIRNESS, I DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE SURVEY. SHE CAN SEND IT AT ANOTHER TIME. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I JUST WANTED TO READ WHAT SOME OF THE RESULTS WERE, BUT HERE'S THE THING I'M SEEING WHEN I'M HERE. I'M SITTING AND LISTENING TO EVERYTHING THAT'S GONE ON AND SITTING LISTENING TO YOU AND OUR FIREFIGHTERS IN THE AUDIENCE. WHAT I'M HEARING AND I'M GOING TO ASK YOU A QUESTION AT THE END OF THIS, I'M HEARING THINGS LIKE THAT TWO PARAMEDICS CHECKING AND DOUBLE CHECKING MEDS. I'M HEARING BACK WARDS, WELL EQUIPPED AND MAINTAINED TRANSPORT OPTION. THAT MEANS YOU CAN TRANSPORT. I'M HEARING THINGS LIKE -- BEST SERVICE IN THE COUNTRY, GOLD STANDARD. I'M HEARING THINGS LIKE SAFETY ABOUT PARAMEDICS. IF YOU HAVE TWO OR THREE PARAMEDICS ON-SITE THEY PREVENT MISTAKES AND SAVE EACH OTHER FROM COSTLY LAWSUITS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO, IF YOU HAVE A SINGLE PARAMEDIC, AND HE MAKES A MISTAKE, HE'S NOT GETTINGBY BACKUP OR DIRECTION FROM SOMEBODY WHO MIGHT HAVE THAT INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE. I'M HEARING MEDICAL LICENSURE ON THE LINE BY HAVING BACK UP, PROTECTING EACH OTHERS LICENSES AS THEY TREAT INDIVIDUALS. I'M HEARING 90% EMS CALLS, 35 YEARS, CAN'T RUN AN EFFECTIVE UNIT WITH ONLY ONE PARAMADIC. DELUDING THE CARE. WHEN YOU HEAR ALL THESE THINGS THAT YOU'VE BEEN HEARING IN REFERENCE TO THIS, THIS MAKES IT SOUND TO ME THAT THE BIGGEST ISSUE WE'RE DEALING WITH IS THE SAFETY OF OUR CONSTITUENTS, THE SAFETY OF THE PARAMEDICS, THE SAFETY OF OTHER PUBLIC SAFETY INDIVIDUALS. WHEN YOU HAVE A GOLD STANDARD OF CARE, DEALING WITH EXPERIENCE AND HAVE THAT INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE BASED ON A CARDIAC EVENT, THESE PARAMEDICS CAN CONFER WITH EACH OTHER TO PROVIDE EXCELLENT CARE. I EXPECT THIS KIND OF DELIVERY TO MY FELLOW BROTHERS AND SISTERS ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE THAT THE PARAMEDICS HAVE THAT THE FIRE TRUCKS DO NOT HAVE IS THEY HAVE THE UNALITY TO SCOOP AND GO AND CARRY SOMEBODY STRAIGHT TO HOSPITAL IMMEDIATELY. THE FIRE TRUCK DOESN'T HAVE A GURNEY, AND WE OBVIOUSLY KNOW THAT. I REALLY WANT THE BEST COVERAGE IN MY DISTRICT FOR MY FAMILY, FOR MY CONSTITUENTS, AND EVEN THE FIREFIGHTERS OUT THERE DELIVERING THAT. I THINK THAT DELUDING THE SERVICES IS GOING TO HURT US. WE'VE SEEN DELUDED SERVICES ON THE OTHER SIDE ON PUBLIC SAFETY IN APD. WHEN I WAS A POLICE OFFICER AT APD IN A SQUAD I HAD 15 OFFICERS AS A SERGEANT. NOW, THESE GUYS ARE WORKING WITH FIVE. I HAVE A REAL BIG PROBLEM WHEN WE START DELUDING SERVICES TO THE PUBLIC AND PUTTING THEIR LIVES AT RISK. AND THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON THE OTHER SIDE IN THE POLICE. WE'RE NOT GETTING CALLS FOR SERVICE ANSWERED, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH POLICE OFFICERS. THERE'S THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON THAT ARE PREVENTING OFFICERS FROM GOING TO WORK THERE. RIGHT NOW, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE THE BEST -- THE CONSTITUENTS HAVE THE BEST SERVICE WE CAN GET. AND RIGHT NOW, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE REALLY CONSIDER THIS ISSUE IS ABOUT TO SAFETY OF OUR CONSTITUENTS. SO, BASED ON THAT, THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE, ARE YOUR HEELS STALK IN THE GROUND? ARE YOU GOING TO DEAL WITH THIS AFTER ALL THAT HAVE GONE ON? IS THERE A WAY TO NEGOTIATE WITH THESE FOLKS TO MAYBE FIND A WAY SO WE DON'T DELUDE THE SERVICE SO WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE RESCUES ARE STILL PROVIDING THE GOLD STANDARD CAN PROTECT EACH OTHER? AS AN APD OFFICER, WHEN YOU CALL FOR BACK UP, YOUR BACK UP IS THERE TO BACK YOU UP. IF YOU'RE ON RESCUE SQUAD AND YOU DON'T HAVE BACK UP, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ISSUE. WHETHER YOU'RE PROVIDING LIFE-SAVING TREATMENT, HOW IN THE WORLD ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT IF THAT OTHER PERSON IS NOT BACKING YOU UP? I THINK HAVING BACK UP IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. AGAIN, I'M JUST ASKING. ARE YOUR HEELS DUG IN THE SAND? ARE YOU GOING TO CONTINUE WITH THIS? OR ARE YOU GOING TO HELP THE CITIZENS AND CONSTITUENTS OF ALBUQUERQUE IN REFERENCE TO THE SAFETY? I'M HEARING THAT THEIR SAFETY IS AT RISK. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, I ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT WHAT WE HAVE IS A BEST PRACTICE. I THINK WE'RE ACTUALLY DELIVERING A BETTER SERVICE WITH THIS PLAN TO THE CONSTITUENTS. I HAVE DONE EXTENSIVE RESEARCH. WE ARE -- OUR COUNTERPARTS AT THE COUNTY RUN SINGLE PARAMEDIC RESCUES. THEY ACTUALLY RUN A VERY DIFFERENT SYSTEM THAT THE FIRE CHIEF WANTED ME TO PASS ALONG. WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, WHAT WE'VE BEEN OPERATING FOR AS YEARS, AND THE LEVEL OF SERVICE WE PROVIDE IS NO LESS THAN WHAT IS PROVIDED WITH A TWO-MEDIC RESCUE. I HOPE YOU CAN CONVINCE SIMILARS AND HAVE THEM LET YOU MANAGE YOUR STAFFING. I TOOK MY JOB -- WHEN I TOOK MY JOB, I TOOK IT VERY SERIOUS. IT'S MY JOB TO MAKE SURE WE PROVIDED GOOD SERVICE TO THE PUBLIC. I WOULDN'T BE STANDING HERE IF I DIDN'T BELIEVE THAT THIS WOULD PROVIDE A BETTER SERVICE AS BUSY AS WE ARE, TO BE ABLE HAVE RESOURCES ON BOTH TRUCKS ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE OF THOSE CALLS WITH HIGHER LEVELS OF TRAINING. AND SO IT'S HARD TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT I'M STANDING HERE WITH A PLAN THAT WILL SERVE THE PUBLIC BETTER. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. ME WORKING THE STREETS OF ALBUQUERQUE, TIME AND TIME AGAIN, HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN SITUATIONS WHERE I'VE SEEN OFFICERS GET PICKED UP AND STLZ A SCOOP AND GO. CAN YOU SCOOP AND GO ON A FIRE TRUCK WITH A GURNEY? IS THERE A GURNEY ON A FIRE TRUCK? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ NO. IF THAT RESCUE WAS NOT IN DISTRICT, AND THAT OFFICER NEEDED TO BE STABILIZED UNTIL AN OUT OF DISTRICT RESCUE COULD SHOW UP TO SCOOP THEM UP, THEY WOULD HAVE A PARAMEDIC IMMEDIATELY AVAILABLE TO START TO INITIATE THAT CARE. BECAUSE OUR TRUCKS ARE NOT AVAILABLE 100% OF THE TIME. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS SAY IF THAT RESCUE IS TIED UP, AND WE NEED TO RESPOND TO AN OFFICER, THEN WE HAVE THAT PARAMEDIC ON THAT TRUCK THAT CAN START STABILIZING UNTIL THE NEXT DISTRICT RESCUE CAN COME IN. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I'M SORRY, CHIEF. I DON'T BUY THAT BECAUSE ANYONE OF THESE PEOPLE WERE OUT THERE DEALING WITH BROTHERS AND SISTERS, YOU'D PROBABLY HAVE THREE OR FOUR PARAMEDIC UNITS ARE SPONDINGING TO THAT OFFICER. >>COUN. BASSAN: I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES AND EXTEND THE MEETING UNTIL MIDNIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANYONE OPPOSED? THAT MOTION PASSES. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS, NOT FOR YOU CHIEF. PROBABLY OUR ATTORNEYS. I'LL START WITH KEVIN AND MS. KEEFE, IF YOU CAN ANSWER THE QUESTIONS AS WELL. JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SEPARATION OF POWER. I HAVE THE MEMO FROM MS. KEEFE IN FRONT OF ME. SO, I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO ANY STAFFING STUFF. THAT'S ABOVE MY PAY GRADE. JUST TO ASK THAT, I JUST RECENTLY MET WITH AFSME. THEY JUST SHOWED ME IN THE CONTRACT BECAUSE THEY WERE ASKING FOR THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE. AND THEY WERE ASKING AND SAYING THAT THEY HAD NEGOTIATED IN THEIR PAY THAT THE ADMINISTRATION HAD NEGOTIATED IN THEIR PAY -- FOR THEIR PAY THEY COULD COME NEGOTIATE WITH COUNCIL. I THINK I MENTIONED THAT TO CAO. I DON'T KNOW WHO ELSE HAD THAT INFORMATION. THAT WAS NEGOTIATED IN THERE. WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SEPARATION OF POWERS, I THINK IT REALLY CONFUSES ME IN TERMS OF, WELL, CAN WE NEGOTIATE ASFSME, WHICH WE HAVE NO BUSINESS DOING. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT GOT IN THERE, BUT THEY SHOWED ME THE REFERENCE. I WAS ACTUALLY TRYING TO LOOK FOR THE EMAIL THAT HAD THAT IN THERE. SO, THE SECOND THING IS THAT WE ACTUALLY SET PRECEDENCE EARLIER WITH R-41. WHATEVER WAS DISCUSSED DURING THE MEETING, THE RESOLUTION PASSED. SO THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE BOOKS. SO, WHETHER THERE WAS DIFFERENT CONTEXT OR WHAT PEOPLE INTERPRETED IT TO BE OR WHAT THEY WERE DISCUSSING AT THE MEETING REALLY DOESN'T MATTER. WE HAVE A RESOLUTION THAT HAS PRESENCE AND IT PASSED. IF THIS IS AN IDEAL WAY OF STAFFING, THEN WHY WOULD WE STRIKE IT? HOW DOES THE UNION THEN RENEGOTIATE IT BACK IN? BECAUSE AS YOU ALL KNOW WITH UNIYOON -- UNION CONTRACTS, IT'S HARD TO NEGOTIATE SOMETHING ONCE YOU LET GO OF IT. I GUESS, MR. MORROW, MY QUESTION IS WITH THE SEPARATION OF POWER, I'M READING THE MEMO. AND IT SAYS THAT IT'S LIKELY, BUT THIS IS A DIFFICULT QUESTION RIGHT? REALLY, THERE'S NO DETERMINATION WITHIN THIS MEMO ABOUT SEPARATION OF POWERS. EVEN MS. KEEFE CITE IT SHOULD ACTUALLY PROBABLY BE -- IF WE VOTE IT GOES TO IGC OR TO COURT. AND WHEN YOU GO TO THE SECOND ISSUE, IT SAYS A CONFLICT WITH EXISTING ORDINANCES. SO, HERE, AGAIN -- IT DOESN'T REALLY CONFLICT IN TERMS OF THE RESOLUTION THAT WAS PASSED. SO, WE'VE ALREADY SET PRECEDENCE THAT WE'VE DONE THIS. I AM OF THE MINDSET THAT HOW CAN WE -- HERE'S MY QUESTION. HOW CAN WE HAVE AN AFSME CONTRACTS THAT SAYS THEY CAN COME TO COUNCIL TO NEGOTIATE PAY, YET HERE BE QUESTIONED ABOUT SEPARATION OF POWER WHEN WE SET PRECEDENCE AND PASSED THIS RESOLUTION IN THE PAST? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN, COUNCILOR PEÑA, I HAVE NOT SEEN THE AFSME BARGAINING AGREEMENT. I'M NOT SURE IF IT WAS NEGOTIATED IN THERE AS YOU SAY. THAT CERTAINLY WOULD PROVIDE CLEAR GUIDANCE THE COUNCIL CAN MAKE THE DECISIONS. I THINK THAT THE ARGUMENT FOR COUNCIL'S PARTICIPATION IN THIS CONVERSATION IS THAT COUNCIL ESTABLISHING IS POLICY BASED ON THE HEALTH AND WELFARE OF THE INHABITANTS OF THE CITY. THERE HAS BEEN A PREVIOUS RESOLUTION THAT HAS PASSED. I WOULD AGREE WITH MS. KEEFE THAT THIS IS NOT TYPICAL. IT'S NOT TYPICAL FOR CITY COUNCIL TO BE INVOLVED IN THESE THINGS BUT THERE'S CLEAR PRECEDENCE IT HAPPENED BEFORE AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD LIKELY, A COMPLAINT HAS BEEN FILED FOR THE ADMINISTRATION AGAINST THE CITY COUNCILORS AND UNION PRESIDENT, WE CAN ALMOST CERTAINLY KNOW BOTH THE LABOR MANAGEMENT REVIEW BOARD WILL LOOK INTO THIS TO MAKE A DETERMINATION AND ALSO THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL CONFLICT COMMITTEE COULD BE MADE AVAILABLE OR EVENTUALLY DISTRICT COURT. THERE'S NOT A CLEAR ANSWER. BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S A CLEAR PROHIBITION ON COUNCIL'S PARTICIPATION. >>COUN. PEÑA: MR. MORROW, WE'RE HEARING FROM -- DURING THE NEGOTIATION PROCESS THAT THEY WEREN'T AWARE OF THIS STAFFING THAT WAS GOING THROUGH. I THINK THE UNION IS SAYING THIS WAS NEGOTIATED IN BAD FAITH, RIGHT? SO, I GUESS WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS EITHER VOTE AND WHATEVER HAPPENS HAPPENS IN TERMS OF WHAT THE OUTCOME OF THE VOTE IS AND I THINK IT WOULD ABSOLUTELY GO AS MS. KEEFE SAYS, TO COURT OR IGC. OTHER THING IS, WHAT ABOUT JUST GOING BACK INTO NEGOTIATIONS AND FIGURING OUT HOW TO WORK THIS, RATHER THAN TO HAVE A BIG DRAWN OUT PROCESS? AND I THINK I MENTIONED THAT TO THE CAO BEFORE ABOUT REALLY GOING BACK AND TALKING TO THE FIREFIGHTERS BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT. AND MY -- I WOULD PAUSE TO SAY THAT I WOULD PROBABLY LIKELY SUPPORT THE FIREFIGHTERS IN TERMS OF FEELING THEY DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THEY WERE NEGOTIATING IN BAD FAITH. MS. KEEFE. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR PEÑA, YOU SUGGESTED THAT IAFF BELIEVES MANAGEMENT IS BARGAINING IN BAD FAITH. THEY HAVE ACERTED THAT. THEY HAVE FILED THEIR OWN PPC. IT WAS FILED A MONTH AGO. TAKING THE POSITION THAT MANAGEMENT WAS BARGAINING IN BAD FAITH. I WOULD SAY THAT I THINK IT'S A DECISION FOR THE LABOR BOARD AND IT'S ALREADY BEFORE THE LABOR BOARD. -- >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. MADAM PRESIDENT, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR NOW. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. I'LL GET BACK TO YOU. I PROMISE I'LL CIRCLE BACK. >> I'M LOOKING AT THE AFSME LANGUAGE. I CAN WAIT. >>COUN. BASSAN: GO AHEAD. >> THANK YOU. I HAVE ONE OF THE CONTRACTORS IN FRONT OF ME. I DON'T KNOW, MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR PEÑA, IF THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE LANGUAGE IS YOU'RE REFERENCE. WHAT I HAVE IS UNDER THE SALARY SCHEDULE PROVISIONS IT SAYS THE MAYOR'S PROPOSED BUDGET FOR FY25 WILL INCLUDE THE MINIMUM 3.3 INCREASE IN THE HOURLY RATE OF PAY. IT IS UNDERSTOOD BY THE PARTIES THAT THE IMPLEMENTATION ARE SUBJECT TO CITY COUNCIL BUDGET APPROPRIATION. THERE SHALL BE NO RET REACTIVE COMPENSATION. I AMMING WANT IT SAYS WAGES IN THE CITY LABOR MANAGEMENT RELATION ORDINANCE AND APPROVAL AND APPROPRIATION IN AND FOR THE FY25 BUDGET BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND SIGNATURE BY THE MAYOR. THAT IS THE REFERENCE I SEE RELATED TO CITY COUNCIL'S ROLE WHICH IS OF COURSE IN ALMOST EVERY ONE OF OUR CONTRACTS TO ENSURE WE DON'T HAVE APPROPRIATING RIGHTS. WE PROPOSED WHAT HAS BEEN NEGOTIATED IN THE BUDGET WE PRESENT. I'M HAPPY TO CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR THAT ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE. I'M NOT AWARE ANYWHERE WHICH IT STATES THAT. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. WITHOUT HAVING IT IN FRONT OF ME, WHAT THEY SHOWED ME AND GAVE TO ME, I COULDN'T SAY WHETHER THAT WAS THE REFERENCE OR NOT. I WISH I HAD IT. I WAS SEARCHING AND SEARCHING AND I CAN'T FIND IT. PART OF THE REASON THEY CAME TO ME WITH THIS IS BECAUSE -- AND THIS WAS VERBALLY AND THEY SAID THE ADMINISTRATION TOLD THEM TO COME TALK TO US. SO THIS IS JUST WHAT WAS SAID. >>COUN. BASSAN: WE HAVE 22 FIRE STATIONS. THREE -- 2.5 ISH ARE WORKING ON THIS NON-DUAL PARAMEDIC MODEL ON RESCUE APPARATUS. WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADD FOUR MORE TO THIS NEW MODEL. I KNOW YOU SAID IT EARLIER, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE AN INTENTION OF ADDING THE REST OF THE STATIONS TO THE MODEL AT THIS TIME. I KNOW THIS IS GOING TO BE A BIG WHAT IF, BUT HOW LONG -- BECAUSE I IMAGINE ONCE THIS IS BROACHED, IT ALREADY HAS STARTED, NOW WE'RE ADDING FOUR MORE. EVENTUALLY YOU'RE GOING TO, I WOULD IMAGINE, ADD MORE AND MORE. WHEN IS THAT GOING TO HAPPEN? WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? HOW SOON CAN PEOPLE EXPECT -- BECAUSE NOT SAYING THIS IS ABOUT YOU, BUT I'VE SAT HERE BEFORE AND TOLD WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT AND AS SOON AS IT PASSES SIX MONTHS LATER SUDDENLY IT'S GOOD ENOUGH. WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT WHEN THIS MIGHT CHANGE? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, I LIKE TO MAKE CHANGES -- UNLESS WE'RE ADDING RESOURCES WITH A NEW FIRE STATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT'S LESS DISRUPTIVE TO MAKE CHANGES DURING BID CYCLES. WE HAVE TWO-YEAR BID CYCLES. WE'D BE LOOKING OUT TWO YEARS FROM NOW. WE HAVE SEEN OVERWHELMING SUCCESS WITH OUR TWO STATIONS WHERE WE HAVE DONE THIS MODEL. SO, IT WOULD BE MY INTENTION TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THE OUTCOMES THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS WORKING IN OUR SYSTEM. THESE WERE VERY UNIQUE. SO, PART OF THAT, ALSO HAS BEEN DIALOGUE WITH OUR UNION THAT WE WOULD SEE HOW IT'S GOING, AND THEN ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE OFFERED IS WE MAKE SURE THAT WE SAT DOWN PRIOR TO THE NEXT -- TO HAVE A DISCUSSION IF WE NEEDED TO CONTINUE TO EXPAND. >>COUN. BASSAN: IF YOU'RE EXPAND PAST THIS NEXT FOUR, IF THAT WERE TO BE THE CASE, YOU'RE SAYING THAT IN ANOTHER COUPLE OF YEARS THERE WOULD BE NEW REEVALUATION AND CONVERSATION WITH LABOR AND EVERYONE INVOLVED TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT. FOUR MORE WERE ADDED, EVERYONE CAN EXPECT NOT TO SEE EVEN MORE ADDED IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, IT WOULD GO BACK TO WHAT WE WOULD DECIDE WITH LABOR AT THAT POINT AND WHAT WE WOULD DECIDE IS THE BEST INTEREST OF THE DEPARTMENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: ON ONE SIDE WE HEAR WE'RE ALREADY DOING THIS SO IT'S NOT CHANGING ANYTHING BY ADDING THE WORD PARAMEDIC. ON THE OTHER SIDE WE'RE HEARING, WELL, IT ACTUALLY DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE BECAUSE IT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO USE THE TERM IT'S NOT SOMETHING I HEARD FROM THE OTHER SIDE, BUT TO ME WE'RE GOING TO BE RESTRICTIVE IN SOME CASES. MY BIG CONCERN THAT I HAVE WITH BOTH SIDES IS I THINK THE COUNCIL IS GETTING REALLY GOOD AT DOING STUFF AND ALMOST IMMEDIATELY UNDOING IT. IT'S DISAPPOINTING. SO, I DON'T WANT US TO PUT IN THIS AND PASS THIS ONLY TO HAVE US TURNAROUND IN A FEW WEEKS OR MAYBE NEVER, BUT END UP IN HERE AS THE EXCEPTION OF TEMPORARY EX-TENDENCIES OR EMERGENCIES AS DETERMINED BY THE CHIEF. WITH THAT BEING SAID, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A QUESTION FOR YOU OR FOR IT'S SOMEBODY ELSE THAT HAS MORE DATA ON STAFFING, BUT HOW MANY TIMES -- IF THIS WERE IN PLACE AND YOU WERE DOING THIS ALREADY WITH THIS RESOLUTION WITH THE TWO PARAMEDICS, HOW MANY TIMES WOULD WE BE IN VIOLATION BECAUSE I'M HEARING TWO DIFFERENT SIDES AND THEY ACTUALLY ARE NOT MATCHING UP. SO I WOULD LIKE SOME DATA ON WOULD THIS BE SOMETHING WE'RE IMPLEMENTING THAT WE HAVE BEEN. WOULD WE BE IN VIOLATION OF IT IF WE ALREADY HAVE IT IN PLACE OR NOT? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, I'M GOING TO HAVE DEPUTY CHIEF ANSWER THAT QUESTION. HE'S INVOLVED IN MOST OF YOUR STAFFING. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, THANK YOU. MY CONCERN WITH THE WAY THIS IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN ARE THE -- I'M 100% NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO FOLLOW IT. WE WOULD EXHAUST EVERY POSSIBLE OPTION WE HAVE AND WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GUARANTEE WE COULD DO IT. JUST ONE WEEK AGO WE HAD TO SHUT DOWN A FIRE TRUCK ON SUPER BOWL SUNDAY. NOT BECAUSE WE'RE SHORT PARAMEDICS BECAUSE WE'RE SHORT PERSONNEL. WE'RE EVEN WORSE SHORT ON PARAMEDICS THAN PERSONNEL. THAT IS MY CONCERN. >>COUN. BASSAN: OKAY. THE DATA, THEN, I GUESS IS WHAT I'M ALONG LOOKING FOR TOO. IF THIS WERE TO HAVE ALREADY PASSED, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO FULFILL THAT? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, SO I DID RUN AND LOOKED AT THIS. IF THIS WERE TO BE IN PLACE, SAY WE TAKE OUT STATION TWO AND STATION THREE WHERE WE USE THIS ONE PARAMEDIC MODEL, IF WE TAKE THAT AND DON'T COUNT IT, YEAR TO DATE, WE HAVE OVER 24 VIOLATIONS. IN 2024, IF THIS IS IN PLACE, AFTER EXHAUSTING ALL OPTIONS, NOT COUNTING THE TRUCK, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE WOULD HAVE OVER 600 VIOLATIONS OF THIS ORDINANCE. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. SO, TO ME, I GUESS IF WE WERE TO PASS THIS, THEN WHAT WOULD PROHIBIT YOU FROM SAYING EVERYTHING IS A TEMPORARY EMERGENCY IF YOU NEEDED TO? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE -- THAT'S A TOUGH QUESTION TO ANSWER. WE WOULD -- WE HAVE ABILITIES TO FORCE PEOPLE INTO POSITIONS. WE DON'T LIKE TO DO THAT. I THINK THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF EXITS. I THINK THERE WOULD BE -- WE WOULD BE IN A SITUATION WHERE I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARAMEDICS SIGNED UP FOR OVERTIME AND THAT'S WHY HAD THESE SITUATIONS THAT CHIEF BROUGHT UP THAT WE DON'T HAVE PARAMEDICS TO STAFF. THAT'S ONE OF MY CONCERNS WITH THE LACK OF FLEXIBILITY IN THE AMENDMENT. I'M EITHER NOT IN COMPLIANCE OR I'M HAVING TO FORCE INTO THOSE POSITIONS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE COMPLAINT. >>COUN. BASSAN: OKAY. I GUESS MY LAST THING IS ON ONE SIDE OF THIS I SEE WE CAN GO AHEAD AND MANDATE THIS TERM AND CHANGE THE STAFFING RESOLUTION, AND THERE'S AN EXIT STRATEGY. IT'S WRITTEN IN HERE THERE COULD BE EXTENDED CIRCUMSTANCES. ON THE OTHER HAND, I HEAR THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE FOUR MORE, SO SIX -- MEAN TO COUNT STATION TEN AS .5, TO ME IT'S LIKE SAYING THAT. SO, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SIX STATIONS THAT ARE OPERATING THIS WAY WITH THE OTHERS STILL HAVING THE TWO PARAMEDICS ON THE RESCUE APPARATUS. MY STRUGGLE IS THAT BOTH SIDES HAVE VERY VALID ARGUMENTS. I AM A BIG FAN OF THINGS ARE -- THE TRUTH IS IN THE MIDDLE. TO ME, I'M WORRIED WE'RE GOING TO PUT OURSELF AND BACK OURSELVES INTO A CORNER, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. AND THAT'S A CONCERN TO ME. COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I'D LIKE TO ASK MR. TITMAN TO COME UP AND MAYBE RESPOND TO SOME AND A LOT OF CHIEF FOR THE CHIEF AND THE ADMINISTRATION. IF YOU WOULD ADDRESS IDEAL STAFFING ON RESCUES. ALSO, LIKE YOU TO ADDRESS HOW WE INCREASE OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND MEDICS AND HOW WE TRAIN THEM. I THINK YOU HAVE INCREDIBLE IDEAS ON THAT, AS WELL AS INCREASING OUR RESPONSE TIMES WITHOUT DELUDING OUR SERVICE. >> COUNCILOR LEWIS, I WANT TO ADDRESS A COUPLE THINGS. BASED OFF OF WHAT THE DIRECTOR SAID, WE CURRENTLY HAVE A POLICY IN PLACE -- WE HAVE EXIT CIRCUMSTANCES WITH OUR ENGINES. YOU HAVE AN ENGINE RUNNING WITH THREE PEOPLE TODAY. THAT IS WHY WE HAVE THAT POLICY. THE POLICY THAT REFERS TO REF USE, ALSO HAVE AN AVENUE TO STAFF IT. IN THE POLICY IS REFERRED -- PREFERRED STAFFING ON THE RESCUE IS TWO PARAMEDICS. NON-PREFERRED ON THE MEDIC RESCUE UNIT IS ONE PARAMEDIC. IN THE SAME POLICY IS DEFINED EVERY SINGLE STATION BESIDES TWO AND THREE, FULL STAFFING IS TWO PARAMEDICS. THAT'S HOW WE OPERATE RIGHT NOW WITH THE POLICY IN PLACE FOR THE CIRCUMSTANCES WHEN WE CAN'T FILL IT. WE DO IDENTIFY THAT IT IS A PRIORITY TO FILL THOSE PARAMEDIC RESCUES WITH PARAMEDICS FIRST. WE HAVE AN ATYPICAL APRATTING STAFFING POLICY. WE HAVE AN OVERTIME FILL POLICY THAT GIVES PRIORITY TO THOSE PARAMEDICS BEFORE THEY CAN FILL IT TYPICALLY. WE DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO FILL THOSE RESCUES WITH PARAMEDIC RIGHT NOW. THIS RESOLUTION HAS AN EXITANCY POLICY IN PLACE. A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS I WANT TO ADDRESS, THE TRANSPORT, AND I RESPECT -- SHE BROUGHT UP A GREAT POINT. A LOT OF THIS CHANGE HAS TO DO TRANSPORT. THAT HAS TO DO WITH AAS AND THEIR STAFFING. AND THEY'RE CRITICALLY STAFFED MORE TIMES THAN NOT. WHEN THEY'RE CRITICALLY STAFFED WE TRANSPORT. THERE DIRECTOR IS MAKING A CHANGE BASED OFF THE PRIVATE COMPANY'S INABILITY TO PROVIDE SERVICES. AND WE'RE GOING TO DILUTE OUR SERVICES BECAUSE OF THAT. I'M NOT OKAY WITH THAT. AS FIREFIGHTERS WE'RE NOT OKAY WITH THAT. SHE ALSO REFERENCED THE JOB SHARING. THAT WAS THE INTENTION OF THE CONTRACT, TO BE ABLE TO PAY PARAMEDICS WHEREVER THEY'RE AT. WHATEVER TRUCK THEY'RE AT. WE CAN HAVE A PARAMEDIC FIREFIGHTER BE A CAREER FIREFIGHTER AND ENJOY LIFE RIDING ON ENGINES AND LADDERS AND RESPONDING AS PARAMEDIC AND GET PAID 50% STARTING JULY. THAT'S THE BIG THING. I'M GLAD THIS IS BROUGHT UP. I HOPE THIS TRANSLATES INTO BUDGET PRIORITIES FOR MORE STAFFING. BECAUSE THAT'S HOW YOUR CONSTITUENTS BECOME SAFER, MORE STATIONS AND THANK YOU TO COUNCILOR PEÑA, FOR STATION 23 AND ALL OF YOUR SUPPORT AT ADDITIONAL STATIONS. THAT'S GOING TO MAKE YOUR CONSTITUENTS SAFER. MORE PARAMEDICS, AND INTERMEDIATES. WE ALSO INCLUDED 5% FOR INTERMEDIATES. WE CAN PAY PARAMEDICS AND INTERMEDIATE FIREFIGHTER ON WHATEVER TRUCK THEY'RE AT. PARAMEDIC CAPTAIN, THAT'S THE WAY OFF RESCUE. AND AN ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT EMS MODEL. WE CAN DO THAT. WE WERE DOING THAT IN SOME OF THE STATIONS WE ALREADY HAD. WE HAD A STATION, STATION ONE, THAT HAD FOUR PARAMEDIC. WE HAD A PARAMEDIC CAPTAIN THAT FOSTERED AN ENVIRONMENT OF JOB SHARING AND ROTATING. WE WERE DOING THE WORK. WE WERE GETTING THE MOMENTUM AND THEN CAME THESE STATIONS WERE GOING TO GET SPLIT AND MORALE WENT TO THE TANK AND NOW WE'RE BACK TO SQUARE ONE. WE'RE ASKING YOU TO PRESERVE THIS MODEL TO STILL DO THE GOOD WORK, GET THE MOMENTUM AND MORE PARAMEDICS AND EXPAND ALS THE RIGHT WAY. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT, WOULD YOU TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT GETTING MORE FIREFIGHTERS THROUGH THE TRAINING, THROUGH MEDIC TRAINING, HOW DO WE INCREASE CAPACITY TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT? >> ABSOLUTELY. RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE A COUPLE DIFFERENT AVENUES TO TRAIN PARAMEDICS, THROUGH UNM, CNM AND SANTA FE. WE ARE WORKING WITH THE JOINT ORGANIZATION ON EDUCATION TO PROVIDE MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR EMS ADVANCEMENT. WE PROMOTE THAT. WHEN THE QUESTION WAS ASKED BY COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN ABOUT THE CULTURE, I THINK THAT WAS A LITTLE DISSERVICE TO ALL OF THE THINGS WE'VE DONE IN OUR DEPARTMENT TO MITIGATE THAT. IN OUR 21 YEARS, I HAVEN'T HEARD SOMEBODY CALL SOMEBODY A NURSE IN 15-PLUS YEARS. WE'RE DOING THE WORK TO BRIDGE THE GAP AND TO RELEASE THE WEDGE THAT HAS HISTORICALLY AND CULTURALLY PLACED BETWEEN PARAMEDICS. WE'RE DOING THAT WITH THE THINGS -- BY WORKING WITH THE JOE TO PROVIDE MORE OPPORTUNITIES, BY WORKING WITH UNM TO GET OUR SATELLITE PROGRAM BACK AND WE'RE CLOSE. I'M NOT ACUTELY AWARE OF THOSE NEGOTIATION. WE'RE CLOSE TO GET OUR SATELLITE BACK TO HAVE OUR CLASSES WITH OUR INSTRUCTORS, UNM'S CURRICULUM AND WE CAN INVITE AND FOSTER MORE RECRUITMENTS. WE'RE DOING LOTS OF THINGS TO PROMOTE THE LARGER CONVERSATION TO GET MORE PARAMEDICS IN THE LONG RUN. OUR SERVICE DELIVERY, WHERE WE WANT TO MAIN TAIN OUR CADILLAC. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO GIVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY IF MS. LONG OR SOMEBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS IN RESPONSE, IF NOT THAT'S OKAY. >>COUN. BASSAN: REAL QUICK, COUNCILOR LEWIS. I DO HAVE A QUESTION BASED OFF OF ONE OF THE COMMENTS YOU JUST SAID. WE JUST HEARD A LITTLE BIT AGO THAT THIS -- WE HAVE 22 STATIONS. 2 OF WHICH ARE OPERATING ON THIS MODEL. FOUR WILL COME ON. CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW 20 STATIONS ARE GOING TO BE SPLIT? >>COUN. BASSAN: YOU JUST SAID WE'RE GOING TO SPLIT ALL THE 22 STATIONS OR 20 STATIONS IS WHAT YOU SAID. THE CHIEF SAID NOT NOT ALL STATIONS ARE GOING TO BE SPLIT. THE PLAN IS TO SPLIT FOUR MORE STATIONS FOR A TOTAL OF SIX. YOU SAID THEY'RE ALL GOING TO BE SPLIT. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS TO SPLIT ALL 20 RESCUES. THE CURRENT PLAN IS TO SPLIT FOUR PLUS THE TWO INVOLVED CURRENTLY. I THINK THAT'S WHAT I WAS REFERENCING. >>COUN. BASSAN: WE WOULD HAVE SIX. YOU'RE UNDER THE IMPRESSION WITH THIS CURRENT PLANNED MODEL IT WOULD BE SIX STATIONS OF THE CURRENT 22 THAT WOULD GO TO THIS, NOT ALL OF THEM? >> YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT, AGAIN, I THINK IT'S CLEAR THOUGH THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS ALL STATIONS. SO, IT'S CLEAR THE ADMINISTRATION IS MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION. I THINK THOSE ARE SOME GREAT QUESTIONS. MADAM PRESIDENT, I THINK COUNCILOR BACA AND I WILL CLOSE. >>COUN. BASSAN: ACTUALLY, WE STILL HAVE COUNCILOR ROGERS AND COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I TURNED MY PAPER AND FOUND MY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT I WANTED TO ASK CHIEF. FOR OUR EKMO, ARE YOU PLANNING TO SPLIT UP EKMO TO NOT HAVE TWO PARAMEDICS? AND CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT IT IS FOR THE FOLKS THAT MIGHT NOT KNOW? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, WE HAVE AN ECMO PROGRAM SINCE RIGHT BEFORE COVID. AROUND 2019. IT IS THE PROGRAM -- IT'S NOT STAFF FOR ECMO. THE FIREFIGHTER THAT WORK AT THE STATION ARE ABLE TO GET DISPATCHED AND TAKE ECMO. >>COUN. ROGERS: MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT GOING TO BE TWO MEDICS STILL RUNNING IT? IF YOU MAKE THIS CHANGE -- CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT IT IS? I WAS AT UNM WHEN THEY WERE ROLLING IT OUT. THIS IS CONCERNING TO ME IF WE'RE GOING TO SPLIT IT. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, ECMO IS BASICALLY FIRST IN THE NATION WHERE THE STANDARD OF CARE IN THE HOSPITAL -- THERE'S A CARDIAC ARREST, IT'S A MACHINE THAT CAN TAKE OVER THE HEART AND LUNG FUNCTIONS FROM THE BODY SO IT PUMPS FOR THE HEART AND BREATHE FOR THE LUNGS IF A PATIENT CAN'T DO THAT FOR THEMSELVES. NORMALLY, THAT HAPPENS IN HOSPITALS. FOR ALBUQUERQUE, FOR A SELECT FEW PATIENTS WE CAN DO THAT IN THE FIELD. THAT'S A VERY COMPLEX PROCESS AND IT'S BRINGING ICU DOCTORS TO THE SCENE AS WELL AS THE FLOOR RESPONSE FROM AFR. WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE TRAINED EVERYBODY IN THAT STATION TO BE ABLE TO HELP SO THEY'RE ALL TRAINED TO BE ABLE TO ASSIST THE ICU DOCTORS AS THEY'RE DOING THAT PROCEDURE. >>COUN. ROGERS: DOCTOR, BE HAPPY TO STAY UP. YOU MADE A STATEMENT THAT WAS SHOCKING, ESPECIALLY WORKING AT UNM, THAT YOU HAVE NOT HEARD OF RESEARCH THAT SHOWS TWO MEDICS ON A RIG IS BETTER. I JUST WANT TO -- LUCKILY, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT WE HAVE OVER 200 PEOPLE WATCHING ONLINE. MY 17-YEAR-OLD WAS LIKE I'VE NEVER SEEN THIS MANY PEOPLE WATCHING. THAT SHOWS HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE INVESTED IN THIS TOPIC. MY NURSE RESEARCHER FRIEND TENT ME TEN RESEARCH STUDIES FROM 2010 TO 2022, ALL OF WHICH SAY SURVIVAL RATES ARE IMPROVED WHEN TWO PARAMEDICS ARE ON THE SCENE, SIMILARLY LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT, FOR ADVANCED INTERVENTION. THEY TALKED ABOUT ADVANCED AIR WAY MANAGEMENT, HEMORRHAGE CONTROL, THERE ARE BETTER SURVIVAL RATES MANAGED BY TWO PARAMEDICS. THERE'S RESEARCH UPON, RESEARCH THAT SHOWS THAT. I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT FOR THE PUBLIC. THERE'S LOTS OF DATA TO SHOW TAT. CHIEF, WHAT YOU SAID, WHEN ASKED ABOUT HOW YOU MAKE A DECISION WHICH STATION TO CONVERT TO THIS, YOU SAID IT'S HIGH ACUITY CALLS AND CALL VOLUME. WHAT I'M READING HERE, THAT'S THE WRONG PLACE TO MAKE THESE CHANGES. YOU WANT TO DO IT AT STATIONS THAT DON'T TAKE THE HIGH ACUITY CALLS IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THIS CHALLENGE. RATHER THAN -- WHICH ARE PROBABLY IN MY DISTRICT. I ALSO HAVE JUST HAD, IN OCTOBER, I HAD TO RUN A CODE AS AN EMT BASIC. BY MYSELF. I DIDN'T HAVE ADEQUATE EQUIPMENT. I DIDN'T HAVE ADEQUATE PERSONNEL TO HELP ME. I JUST, PERSONALLY, I CAN'T IMAGINE -- YOU CANNOT GUARANTEE, BASED ON ALL OF THE VARIABLES IN THE FIELD, THAT THERE NEVER BE A CALL WITH ONLY ONE MEDIC IF WE MAKE THIS CHANGE. FOR ME, THAT'S TOO MUCH WHEN IT COMES TO PATIENT CARE TO PLAY WITH. ESPECIALLY SINCE WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 40 YEARS. NO QUESTION THERE. JUST THE STATEMENT THAT I DON'T KNOW WE SHOULD BE PRIORITIZING WHAT STATIONS BY HIGH ACUITY CALLS AND CALL VOLUME. IT SHOULD BE THE OPPOSITE. AND TO COUNCILOR PEÑA'S POINT, WHAT I HEARD FROM THE FIREFIGHTERS TODAY, AND I'M GOING TO SAY EXACTLY WHAT THEY SAID, THIS IS HOW A LOT OF THEM FELT. WE HAVE MOM AND DAD FIGHTING OVER AN ISSUE. AND WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE. THAT'S LITERALLY WHAT I HEARD TODAY. THE FACT THAT WE'VE PUBLICIZED THIS, GONE ON A MEDIA TRAIN. IT PUTS OUR FIREFIGHTERS IN THE MIDDLE OF AN ISSUE THAT IS SERIOUSLY AFFECTING THEM AND THEIR WORK. AND OUR COMMUNITY'S OUTCOMES. JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THE RESEARCH THAT SHOWS IT IS BETTER. AND WE'VE ALREADY HEARD THE OPINION FROM DR. PRUITT ABOUT HER OPINION. I JUST WANTED TO GO BACK TO THE RESEARCH. WHEN I WORKED AT THE HOSPITAL OF NURSE EXCELLENCE, I HAD TO MAKE -- I COULD NOT GO TO LEADERSHIP WITH ANY SOLUTION WITHOUT IT BEING EVIDENCE-BASED AND HAVING THE RESEARCH TO SHOW WHY WE'RE MAKING THE CHANGE. I JUST WANT TO SEE THIS IN HERE. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: LAST COMMENT TONIGHT. AND WE'RE GOING TO COUNCILOR BACA TO CLOSE. I'M NOT MAKING ANOTHER EXCEPTION. . >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU FOR THE ONE EXCEPTION. SITTING HERE AND LISTENING TO A LOT OF THINGS FROM BOTH THIS SIDE AND THE OTHER, I REMINOUS BACK TO MY FORMER CAREER AND HOW THEY SAID WE'RE TRAINED INDEPENDENTLY TO SURVIVE INDEPENDENTLY AND WE ARE, YET AS AN OFFICER YOUR DISPATCHED WITH YOUR FELLOW OFFICER. NOT ONLY FOR SAFETY REASONS FOR YOURSELF, SAFETY REASONS FOR THE CALL YOU'RE GOING TO. IN THIS DAY AND AGE, THE WAY THINGS ARE GOING, IF YOU PUT ONE SINGLE PERSON AND YOU HAVE FIRST RESPONDERS BEING SENTENCED TO PRISON, SUED PERSONALLY BECAUSE THEY HAD TO MAKE DECISIONS ON THEIR OWN THAT HERE'S A PARAMEDIC THAT'S GOING TO BE ISSUING DRUGS AND CAUGHT UP IN A SITUATION THAT THEY'RE WATCHING NOT ONLY THE SITUATION BUT THE PERSON -- THE OTHER BACK UP THAT'S THERE THAT'S NOT ON THE SAME LEVEL THAT IF A MISTAKE IS MADE THEY'RE HUNG OUT TO DRY. IN THIS DAY AND AGE IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WAY TOO OFTEN. I'M SCARED OF THAT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: YOUVEN . >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR ROGERS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MOVE AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE? >>COUN. ROGERS: I HAVE AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE THAT IS IN YOUR iPADS. AGAIN, THIS AMENDMENT, WE'LL PUT IT ON THE SCREEN. ADDING A WHEREAS, I DIDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE ADDING THIS TO THE BODY OF THE RESOLUTION BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST DEPENDENT ON US. THIS SAYS, ON PAGE ONE, LINE 25, INSERT THE FOLLOWING WHEREAS, TO ENSURE FULL STAFFING OF THE TWO PARAMEDIC RESCUE APERATING SYSTEMS TO TRAIK STEPS AND TRAIN THEIR OWN PARAMEDICS TOBRI BRING THIS GETS TO THE ROOT OF THE ISSUE. WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO BE NIMBLE AND NOT SEND OUR FIREFIGHTERS TO SANTA FE FOR TRAINING WE CAN DO HERE. I'M JUST ADDING IT AS WHEREAS. FOR ME, I WANT TO GET TO THE ISSUE. WE NEED TO BE NIMBLE ON GROWING OUR OWN MEDICS. SO, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILORS, THERE'S A MOTION. SECOND FROM COUNCILOR PEÑA. ADMIN? DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION? >> THANK YOU. I'D LIKE CHIEF JARAMILLO TO SPEAK TO THE IMPACT OF THAT SPECIFICALLY. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, I DON'T HAVE MOST OF THE CONTROL OVER ADDING OUR PARAMEDIC PROGRAM BACK. IT IS SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN ACTIVELY WORKING ON. AND THERE IS -- I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WANTS TO HEAR 30 MINUTES ABOUT HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO GET IT BACK. THAT'S WHY I WAS SUCH A PROPONENT OF NOT LOSING IT WHEN WE DROPPED IT BECAUSE I KNEW IT WAS NOT GOING TO COME BACK TO US THE WAY IT CURRENTLY WAS. WE WERE GRANDFATHERED IN TO A PROGRAM THAT NO LONGER EXISTS THROUGH THE ACCREDITATION PROCESS. IT LOOKED VERY DIFFERENT. AND AM REALLY BEHOLDENED TO OUR INSTITUTIONAL PROGRAMS TO GET THAT BACK. IT IS A TOP PRIORITY FOR US TO TRY TO EXPAND THOSE OPTIONS, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IN A RESOLUTION THAT I HAVE THE MAJORITY OF THE CONTROL OVER. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THAT'S EXACTLY WHY I PUT IT AS A WHEREAS. WE CAN'T HOLD OURSELVES WITH SOMETHING WE CAN'T CONTROL OVER. I HAVE FAITH WITH DR. SENGEL AND HER CONNECTIONS THERE. AND ALL OF THE THINGS WITH OUR MEDICAL DIRECTOR AT UNM. I HEARD YOU'RE WORKING ON TRYING TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. SO, I JUST FELT IMPORTANT TO PUT IT IN THERE THAT WE WOULD LIKE THIS TO HAPPEN BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT'S THE SOLUTION TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY. YOU ALREADY AGREED TO THAT. I DON'T THINK IT'S A PROBLEM ADDING IT AS WHEREAS. THAT WAS STRATEGIC BECAUSE I KNOW WORKING IN THE FIELD WE'RE NOT FULLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. I DID WANT TO PUT THAT, CHIEF. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE? >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU, IMMEDIAM -- >>COUN. LEWIS: I WANT TO MAKE SURE ANY ISSUES WITH THIS AMENDMENT? THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: OKAY. THE MOTION IS FOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE TO R-122. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. THOSE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON AN 8-1. COUNCILOR BACA FOR THE CLOSE ON R-122 AS AMENDED. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I JUST WANT TO START BY SAYING THANK YOU TO CHIEF JARAMILLO, ALL THE DEPUTY CHIEFS AND ALL THE FIREFIGHTERS OUT THERE. THIS IS CLEARLY AN IMPORTANT ISSUE. NOT A SMALL ISSUE. I WANT THANK EVERYBODY FOR THEIR TIME AND ENERGY. I'VE HEARD THE CHIEF SAY IT'S IDEAL TO HAVE TWO PARAMEDICS. THE DOCTOR STATES YOU CAN HAVE SOLID SERVICE WITH ONE. WE'VE HAD THE LUXURY THAT HAVING TWO IS THE BEST. CLEARLY, WE'VE HAD THE BEST FOR DECADE. GIVEN THIS WILL BE IMPLEMENTED -N WEEK, AND THERE ARE NO NEGOTIATIONS ON CHANGING TO A GNAW NEW BLNGS A A DECISION NOT DISCUSSED DURING THE PREVIOUS NEGOTIATION. IDEALLY, MORE NEGOTIATIONS COULD OCCUR. I IMAGINE THE DECISION FOR A NEW MODEL WILL BE POSTPONED. I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ON ONE STATEMENT THAT POLITICIANS ARE MAKING DECISIONS. CLEARLY, THERE'S PRECEDENT. THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO AN EXISTING RESOLUTION. WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE OPINIONS ON THAT TONIGHT. MORE THAN THAT, NONE OF US ARE AN EXPERT ON ALL ISSUES. NOBODY IS AN EXPERT ON ALL ISSUES. WE ALL LOOK TO EXPERTS. TONIGHT, WE LISTENED TO QUITE A FEW EXPERTS. I'VE SEEN FIREFIGHTERS NOD THEIR HEADS OR IN OPPOSITION TO THE CHIEF, AND ALSO IN SUPPORT OF IT. WE MAKE THESE DECISIONS BECAUSE WE'RE THE GOVERNING BODY. AND THE EXPERTS ARE RIGHT THERE. IT'S NOT LIKE A POLITICIAN IS MAKING THESE DECISIONS, I WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT TO FOLKS. YEAH, THIS IS A TOUGH ONE. OUTSIDE NEGOTIATIONS STARTING AGAIN, I DON'T SEE HOW I DON'T SIDE WITH THE MEN AND WOMEN DOING THIS FOR DECADES. ALL THAT SAID, I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT, WE ALL AGREE WITH ALS EXPANSION. AND SUPPORT YOU IN EVERY WAY. JUST, I THINK NOT EVERYBODY AGREES ON DELUSION. DELUDING OUR RESCUES. I WANT TO HELP WITH EXPANSION. I THINK THAT HAPPENS THROUGH HIRING MORE FIREFIGHTER, TRAINING MORE MEDICS AND CONTINUING TO EXPANSION OUR STAPGZS -- STATIONS. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILORS, WE ARE ON A MOTION FOR DO PASS OF R-122 AS AMENDED. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON A 7-2. WE'RE MOVING TO AGENDA ITEM E. COUNCILOR BACA AND COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. R-124. >> P7, ADOPTING -- >>COUN. BASSAN: THIS IS AMENDING THE ADOPTED CAPITAL IMPLEMENTATION PROGRAM OF THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE BY SUPPLEMENTING APPROPRIATIONS. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THAT LAST ONE TOOK A LONG TIME. AMENDING THE CAPITAL IMPLEMENTATION PROGRAM OF THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE BY SUPPLEMENTING APPROPRIATIONS. THIS IS ONGOING DISCUSSIONS WITH ALL OF US. THE WHOLE RAIL TRAIL THING WHICH WAS BLOWN OUT OF PROPORTION. IT COULD BE SOLVED BY SITTING DOWN. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: BEFORE YOU URGE, CAN WE GET A MOTION? >>COUN. BACA: MOTION OF DO PASS. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND. WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH THE SECOND FROM COUNCILOR LEWIS OR COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. COUNCILOR, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENT? GO TO THE PUBLIC COMMENTER. >> I'M GOING TO CALL MIKE BALOME TO SPEAK. >> HELLO, COUNCIL. TOUGH ACT TO FOLLOW UP. HAVE TO BE HONEST. DESPITE THAT, I'M STILL HERE. I JUST WANT TO BEGIN BY QUICKLY NOTING THAT A PENNY SAVED IS A PENNY EARNED. EVEN IF A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IS A ROUNDING ERROR, THOSE REPRESENT TANGIBLE INFRASTRUCTURE AS EVIDENCED BY THE FACT THAT $500,000 WAS MOVED FOR DIFFERENT PROJECTS. I ALSO WANT TO MENTION IF WE CONTINUE MOVING FUNDS WILLY-NILLY IN THESE WAYS, IT JUST MAKES THE CITY SEEM UNSERIOUS ABOUT FUNDING PROJECTS THAT ARE IN MOTION. AND JUST COMPLETING THOSE PROJECTS. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WE COMPLETE THE PROJECTS WE START. HOWEVER, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, I'M JUST GLAD THE PENNIES ARE BEING PUT BACK, WHETHER THROUGH THIS LEGISLATION, THROUGH THE MAYOR'S VETO. HOWEVER IT HAPPENS, I'M JUST GLAD IT'S ALL COMING BACK. APPRECIATE THE COUNCILORS FOR PUTTING THE MONEY BACK. THANK YOU. >> THAT WAS OUR LONE SPEAKER. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. COUNCILORS, ANY OTHER QUESTION OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR BACA OR COUNCILOR SANCHEZ TO CLOSE. ALL RIGHT. MOTION IS FOR DO PASS OF R-124. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANYONE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE'RE MOVING TO ADMINISTRATION QUESTION AND ANSWERED PERIOD. COUNCILORS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE ADMINISTRATION? SEE HOW EFFECTIVE THIS IS? WELL DONE. IN ADDITION TO THAT, I FORGOT TO THANK EVERYBODY THAT STAYED. I THINK THAT WAS IMPORTANT. EVEN THOUGH THEY ALREADY LEFT, THAT WAS A STRONG DIALOGUE. I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO ALL THOSE THAT PARTICIPATED. COUNCILORS, THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS, THIS CITY COUNCIL MEETING IS ADJOURNED.