This transcript appears to be from a Cannon Falls City Council meeting. Based on the context provided, here is the formatted transcript with speaker identifications. [0:41] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** No, it's fine. Call the regular City Council meeting for September 7th to order. Roll call, please. Ringgold, here. Duncan, here. Yes, me, here. Kronenberger, here. Londell, here. Montgomery, here. Altoff is absent. I'll stand for the Pledge of Allegiance... [1:10] **Council and Audience:** ...and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [1:27] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** Can I get a motion to approve the amended agenda? [1:33] **Council Member Chris Nobach:** So moved. [1:34] **Council Member Diane Johnson:** Second. [1:35] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** Moved by Councilman Nobach, second by Diane. Um, one correction, Steve. Council business item C should be moved off because we took care of that during— [1:45] **Council Member Chris Nobach:** Yes, we did. Okay, that's right. [1:48] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** Do you want to— [1:49] **Council Member Chris Nobach:** I will amend my motion to approve the agenda minus item C under council business. [2:02] **Council Member Diane Johnson:** Second. [2:03] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** Moved by Chris, second by Diane with the exclusion of C in the business. Any other discussion? All in favor? [2:12] **Council Members:** Aye. [2:13] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** Opposed? Carries. Consent agenda. Consent agenda items may be adopted under one motion as presented or may be removed for discussion and resolution as council business. Item A: Incorrect claims accounting period ending August 31st, 2021. B: Meeting minutes for August 17, 2021. C: Resolution 2573 adopting a preliminary tax levy budget collectible in 2022 and setting a public meeting date. D: Approve temporary liquor license for Canada Valley Fair. E: Approve a temporary liquor license for the VFW Post 4452. F: Appoint Cliff Adel to Public Works Commission. G: Approve wastewater treatment plant raw wastewater pit pump. H: Approve pickup truck and snow plow purchase. I: Approve roof inspection reports and repairs. J: Approved pressure reducing valve maintenance. K: Approve Colbel Street West exploratory dig. L: Approve Goodhue County mill overlay project County CR20. M: Approve Park Street apartment sidewalk replacement and approve American Accounts and Advisors Incorporated for ambulance collections. N: All approved third street north water main connection quotes. Anybody want to bring anything down? [3:55] **Council Member Diane Johnson:** I don't think it needs to be pulled down, but item G... I hope that there's some way that we could inform the citizens of our town what that's doing. And it's not a joke—these flushable wipes are costing us thousands of dollars at our water treatment facility. [4:15] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** Yeah, there's basically no such thing as a flushable wipe, right? [4:19] **Council Member Diane Johnson:** And I find that to be so frustrating because I know it's hidden here in the consent agenda, but when we're talking about our wastewater treatment facility and a $10,000 pump due to flushable wipes that people are using... throw that in the garbage, please. [4:30] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** Sara, motion to approve the consent agenda? [4:34] **Council Member (Unidentified):** I'll make the motion to approve the consent agenda. [4:38] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** Is there a second? [4:39] **Council Member (Unidentified):** Second that. [4:40] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** Motion by Bill, second by Matt to approve the consent agenda. Any further discussion? All in favor? [4:50] **Council Members:** Aye. [4:51] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** Opposed? Carries. Council business. First one is Department of Vehicle Services discussion. Jon? [5:18] **Jon Radermacher (City Administrator):** Well, everybody knows that Cassie took a different job—our deputy registrar took a different job and went up to the metro to work. Since that time, we did have a work session and talked about the department. Arlene and Lois, in the meantime, have decided to retire on October 1st, which leaves us with zero employees. And these types of employees are technical employees; you just can't pull them off the street and say "have a job," they've got to be trained. So a while back, we had a work session on: should we do an RFP, send it out, see if we get any takers? I talked to the state in the meantime on procedures and processes, and they informed me that yeah, that can be done in the private sector, but the government cannot do RFPs. They cannot sell the DMV to another person. The process to do that would be to relinquish the deputy registrar appointment and turn it back over to the state. The state would contact the county; if the county wanted to take it over, they could do it, and then they would go and do the RFPs. We did talk about this department at the Finance Committee meeting. There's two things that we can do: we can try and hire employees back if there's anybody out there that could do the deputy registrar job—we would have to pull from a different department somewhere in the state to have them come here—and hire another part-time person or two. Right now, that department is staffed with two and a half people. Could we get by with one and a half or one and two part-times? That's debatable. I think everybody's come in that door and seen them standing out to the door at times. At times it's just like anywhere else you have a retail store—it's busy on Friday afternoons or Mondays or right after holidays, and then sometimes it's not so busy. So we could re-hire employees, or we could allow the state to go out for RFPs and do the hiring and put a private sector position in here. Now, when we talk to the state, they won't start that process unless we relinquish the position because they won't allow two of them to be put in here if we decided that we were going to keep one. So we have to do that first, and then they will start the process. It can take several months, but as you know, hiring employees can take several months, especially in technical jobs like this where you have to pull somebody in that's trained already. And so that's kind of where we're at. We’ve got two options: do we relinquish our deputy position, or do we hire employees and keep them on staff? Now, if you remember when we talked during the budget session, we did lose $35,000 approximately last year. It's been pretty consistent that that department does lose money. I think the private sector can make money because they don't have to pay all the fringe benefits and all the PERAs of the world, and they can hire cheaper staff than the city can. Every time you've got sick leaves and vacations... the private sector can make a go of it. I know the one guy that we talked to that owns six of them; he rotates staff in and out and he's just got a floater. He's got six businesses and a floating employee that will take the vacation days and the sick days, and that way he's only got one. But if it was a government, we would have to have an employee covering that. So, you know, it's hard to make ends meet when we have all the extra money that we're spending on PERA and health benefits. And it's September 7th, and these people are retiring in three or four weeks—October 1st. [10:55] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** Yeah, it's not like we are... okay, yeah. Either way, we're gonna have to shut that down for a while. [11:03] **Council Member Diane Johnson:** Right. And I know at the Finance Committee, we went a little back and forth on that. Yeah, we know we have to close it. The only thing was, did we want to reopen it? You know, do it the two ways that you've mentioned. And we recommended that we relinquish the deputy registrar and then go through the Department of Public Safety and move on and have that process. Hopefully in a few months, assuming that they say we can have one here, they can make the recommendations. Then if they find someone, we can negotiate with them for space and hours of service. I think it was discussed to keep them in the same place as they are and then, you know, shoot them a pretty good deal to make sure that they can make it—make sure that they're going to make some money on it. I think the contract to have them stay in the same place—I mean, they've got a parking lot, they've got a nice space there. I know South St. Paul had a private registrar in their office for decades until they needed the space. So it's not unusual to have them in City Hall. [12:20] **Council Member Laura Kronenberger:** Well, in some ways the timing actually, if we were just to close it down, works out. We're not laying anyone off; we're not firing anyone. They're all retiring or took another job. [12:35] **Jon Radermacher (City Administrator):** Yeah, and Arlene said before Cassie even left, she said she was going to be done. You know, they want to enjoy retirement. They're well beyond their 65, so more power to them. [13:08] **Jon Radermacher (City Administrator):** And I want to mention again, too... no matter what decision we make, if we did way back when decide to privatize it, it still has to be shut down. It can't be a transition from city-run to private in one day. It's got to be shut down, then the state's got to go ahead and approve it and start all over again. So yeah, it's a real process, but it definitely would be nice to have it come back in a private form because it's so convenient for everybody around. [13:46] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** Yeah, I think... yeah, and we definitely want to have one in town. If the state doesn't find anybody, is this something we could revisit down the road, maybe in a year or two and say, "Well, the residents are kind of demanding it," or if we relinquish it, is that it? [14:02] **Jon Radermacher (City Administrator):** Well, that's a good question. The state will determine whether Cannon Falls needs one. I forwarded the voicemail to the Finance Committee to listen to what I heard, and it sounds—as you guys heard—it sounds like they would put one back. Now, that was the supervisor of the DVS that was talking to me. They're very hard to get a hold of. In fact, that was the first time I had gotten hold of him, and I missed his call, but he left a message. [14:48] **Council Member Chris Nobach:** So, the decision for tonight—we've gotta do something on paper. It seems like it would be a win-win if we relinquish the position, let the state fill it, it's privatized, we still have it, they've got that same spot here in the City Hall building. But that win-win, like you said, the ball would be in the court of the state to fill that position, right? So once we say we do our part, it's out of our control. And if they say no, we've relinquished it, it's not coming back. And that's the risk. [15:23] **Jon Radermacher (City Administrator):** That feeling from... I think it's a pretty small chance of it not returning. And once they find someone suitable, then we as a council would meet with them and figure out a contract. Because it wouldn't hurt the state to put one back because we take all the risk. Didn't they say usually they don't want them within so many miles—10 miles of each other? And of course, being in Cannon, we're 15, 20 miles away from all the nearest ones anyhow. So I would think it would more likely come back. [16:04] **Council Member Chris Nobach:** So if there was any interested parties, instead of an RFP to the city, it would be an RFP to the state or an application to the state, and they would do the vetting instead of the city? Okay. Which also makes it easier for us than having to go through that whole process. [16:15] **Council Member Diane Johnson:** Well, I'll make a motion that the city relinquish the deputy registrar appointment and have the DPS proceed with the placement of all of that stuff there. I'll make the motion. [16:26] **Council Member (Unidentified):** I'll second that. [16:27] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** Motion by Diane, second by Bill to relinquish our deputy registrar for now and have the state start the process of filling it for us. Is that clear as mud? Yeah. Any further discussion? [16:47] **Jon Radermacher (City Administrator):** The only thing I would mention before we vote is to remind everybody that I assume either September 30th or October 1st is the last day that it will be open. We've got two retirements on September 30th. [17:02] **Council Member Laura Kronenberger:** Get your tabs now! That's the last day. [17:08] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** That's the last day. Okay. Wish them well. See when my license expires. [Laughter] They've done a great job. Lois has done a great job. [17:21] **Council Member (Unidentified):** Whenever I've gone there, it's been... you know, people complain about it, but I've always had a good experience. I mean, Arlene has stepped up, and they're finishing strong there. Let me put it that way. And I appreciate it, because otherwise we probably would have been closed already. [17:42] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** Exactly, yep. Any further discussion? All those in favor? [17:47] **Council Members:** Aye. [17:48] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** Opposed? Motion carries. Okay, next item in business is Resolution 2574 in support for 2022 state bond requests for John Birch Park wall rehabilitation. Laura? [18:03] **Jon Radermacher (City Administrator):** She's not on here. She asked me to take this for her; she's got an EDA meeting in Mantorville. [18:11] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** Oh, okay. [18:12] **Jon Radermacher (City Administrator):** I think everybody knows what the John Birch Park wall is like—the condition. And so what we did is we got a hold of Barb Haley, and we had a meeting with her and talked it over and see if we could get on the bonding tour and get a bonding request put in. The Park Board reviewed it here at their last meeting and stated that "Yeah, let's move forward, we support this." And what are the chances of receiving funds? Well, we'll find out. But it's $469,000 in state funds matching with the city and John Birch Park supporters. So that's in a nutshell. Everybody knows that's got to get fixed probably in the next—I don't know, Matt—five years, four years, maybe sooner if it starts to push. It's crumbling. So we’ll throw some out there to see if the state will help us out. Cannon Falls has not had their hand out in the bonding bill since anybody could remember. So that's a bonus. You know, if you're a frequent flyer on the bonding bill, you probably should wait your turn, but we haven't. So Barb Haley did say that she would support it, and we did put together the application. So we need a letter of support from the City Council, and that's what we're looking for. [20:10] **Council Member (Unidentified):** I have a quick question about the numbers. On top, it says the estimated cost is 938,000, then below somewhere on page three, it says 866. But then we're asking for 500... is that just a 50 percent match? [20:25] **Jon Radermacher (City Administrator):** It's an automatic 50 percent match for the wall, and then you can add inflationary numbers onto it. [20:33] **Council Member (Unidentified):** Okay, then that's where you're getting inflationary numbers. Okay. [20:41] **Council Member Chris Nobach:** What happens if next session next year they do not grant us the money and the wall needs to be fixed in 2023? [20:59] **Jon Radermacher (City Administrator):** We'll be coming to talk to seven of you and find out what we should be doing. [21:05] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** Yeah, because this doesn't obligate us to do that. It just says it will match, right? [21:13] **Council Member Diane Johnson:** Yeah. Now, I'm certainly in support of this. I see John Birch Park supporters at 141, the city at 328. You know, this is used heavily by the school, and they're not helping. My concern is it seems the city is always bearing the brunt when half the players live in our surrounding townships. I agree, but getting the school to... they can't pass bond issues, and I'm understanding maybe other things we need to do with the school down the road to increase their partnership. Like you say, I support it, but I am concerned that it's always on the city's back. [22:04] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** Yeah, I think that's what it's going to be. So you're looking for a motion, are you? [22:09] **Jon Radermacher (City Administrator):** Yes, I am. [22:10] **Council Member Diane Johnson:** I will move that we do whatever it is... Resolution 2574. [22:18] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** Second. There's a motion by Diane, second by Matt, to approve Resolution 2574 to support the 2022 Minnesota capital bonding bill to replace the John Birch—it should be capital with an "A" by the way; "capitol" means the capitol building... [22:40] **Jon Radermacher (City Administrator):** She'd do that at home too! [Laughter] [22:43] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** I do, I do. I just saw it. ...Retaining wall, first base dugout, and seating. Is there any other discussion? All in favor? [22:58] **Council Members:** Aye. [22:59] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** Opposed? Motion carries. Reports. Kyle's not here. Trail Board? [23:03] **Council Member Chris Nobach:** Nothing except... there's some discussion around some land that apparently has been utilized by a vet clinic, but it's actually part of the trails. They are trying to figure out how to get their land back, so it's going to be interesting. That ought to be a good, fun situation—spirited discussion. [23:45] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** Anything else? [23:46] **Council Member Chris Nobach:** Nope. [23:47] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** EDA? Matt, Jon, do you want to take that? [23:51] **Jon Radermacher (City Administrator):** Let me find my notes here. We did an update on the Keller Baartman project. They had an invoice from ATC to do the RAP (Response Action Plan) for that. That's the environmental group that helped watch over the tank removal, and they submitted a Phase One to the State PCA and did a Response Action Plan. That was part of our duties to get the place finished up for development. They did Feast Magazine; they did a contribution for that. And then they are going to do some 2022 strategic goals and set a meeting date. Remember we did one last year in City Hall here, and we're going to do another one and see where we're going to go for 2022. [24:58] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** Thanks, Jon. Park Board? John Birch Park, which we just passed. Public Works? Chris? [25:05] **Council Member Chris Nobach:** Everything on the consent agenda is pretty much what we talked about. It'll be nice having a third member now so it's not just me and Diane making every motion and second. So yeah, I think that was about it. [25:17] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** Well, we bought a Chevy pickup? [25:20] **Council Member Chris Nobach:** We did. Well, we bought a pickup, that's true. [25:24] **Bill Angerman (City Engineer):** Just a quick update on the mill and overlay project for Park and 8th and 9th and Floyd. That's going to start Friday with the mill, and then they'll be doing the overlay on Saturday. It's been posted on the website and on Facebook to let residents know not to park. And we're in the painting phase or the beginning stages of painting the Third Street bridge now. The deck is on, the sidewalk's on, the curb is on, the approaches are almost done, so that's where that's at. But that's a two-month project; it sounds like that one will go on for some time yet. They have to basically enclose the whole bridge to do the sandblasting and painting, so it's quite a project. [26:15] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** Thank you for the raw water waste pump too. Anything else, Bill? [26:30] **Bill Angerman (City Engineer):** Yeah, nothing else you want to talk about flushable wipes anymore? You can't stress it too often. [26:33] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** Sarah, do you have anything? [26:34] **Shelley Ryan (City Attorney):** Neil... Jon, I’d like to set up a Sandstone Ridge committee. Are you going to speak with that, Mayor? [26:40] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** Okay, that's all I have. I just want to make sure we got a committee put together. Okay, thank you. Laura? [27:01] **Council Member Laura Kronenberger:** I'm good. [27:02] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** Matt? [27:03] **Council Member (Unidentified):** I'm good. [27:04] **Council Member (Unidentified):** Bill? Yeah, um, as we know, COVID is still running rampant. I believe the time has come for us as a council to have all city employees—and that includes us, library, ambulance, fire—have a vaccine mandate. We have a lot—a matter of fact, most of our jobs involve a great deal of public contact. We do have quite a few that are vaccinated, but we have a few that are not. And imagine this—and I'm going to use Diane as an example—she broke her hip a few weeks ago and at the time she did not know that she was immune-compromised, but she is, as is another member of this council. And the two ambulance personnel that helped her out were certainly masked, but you still don't know if they were vaccinated. And if we have things like that... it'll follow through too for fire, public works, library, police. I feel we need to have all our employees and council vaccinated. And I will go so far as to say that if they do not wish to be vaccinated, they need to find a different job. We cannot put at risk the people of this community. I know there are some, as we see on social media sites and stuff, that say things like, "Well, you know, it's my choice, I can do what I want, it's my freedom." Well, those people that don't get vaccinated not only are selfish but they're stupid and un-American, and it's putting our freedom—those of us who actually have gotten the vaccine—at risk. And we as a city... I can't control businesses and other stuff. And we see every day in the news that more cities, schools, universities, businesses are requiring this, and I think it's time for us to require it. And I would like for the council to have Shelley put together something for us, assuming the majority of council feels that's the way to go. Shelley, what do you think? [29:43] **Shelley Ryan (City Attorney):** Politically, I have no opinion. I never do. It's amazing. Legally, it is something the city can do. There are some many complications. It seems fairly clear that an employer can require their employees to be vaccinated now that the vaccinations have been approved by the FDA. Back when they were still the experimental approval, it wasn't an option; now it is. EEOC, ADA—all of that seemed to say yes, you can require vaccinations. We would have to put together a fairly complicated policy because it has to address if someone has an ADA issue. We do have to offer reasonable accommodations; so that would be some sort of disability or medical issue that would prohibit them from getting the vaccine. We would have to set up some system to deal with that. We would also have to set up a system because those who have a sincerely held religious belief also can get exemptions. And again, we'd have to set up a system to determine what that means and how that works. There's a lot of cases out there on that. The COVID stuff is new, but the bigger issues aren't new—these are issues that have been dealt with before. So it can be done. The League of Minnesota Cities has policies that they've collected that we can borrow and see what they are and put something together. I will say from a legal risk perspective, there is risk in lawsuit; there absolutely is. And so that's something the council would have to be aware of before it made that vote. A lot of businesses are putting this requirement in place; others are offering incentives instead—"We'll give you time off to go get it," encouraging that type of thing. Right now, it's really all across the board. [31:49] **Council Member (Unidentified):** Right. But now as a city, of course, we carry insurance in case someone did sue us. [31:55] **Shelley Ryan (City Attorney):** Yeah, we also risk suit from the other side. You know, an employee who is unvaccinated gives an ambulance rider COVID—we've got a risk that that ambulance rider is going to sue. [32:10] **Council Member (Unidentified):** Correct. [32:11] **Shelley Ryan (City Attorney):** So there's no legal precedent about that, which doesn't mean you can't get sued; it means there's never been a case about that. Okay. So yes, it is possible that someone will eventually get sued because somehow it was traced back to that group that they spread it. It hasn't happened yet. I guess the answer there is... yes, that is a risk. I can't even give you a sense of if it's a big risk. It's a total unknown right now. [32:43] **Council Member (Unidentified):** Right. Even here in the City Hall in the front door, we're kind of doing an honor system where it says, "If you're not vaccinated, wear a mask." Well, we have no way, of course, of informing that and confirming that. And that's another reason why we have to have all our people vaccinated because we don't know what's coming in the door. And that includes us on the council. I feel so strongly about this. And I know I'm going to get hit on social media and stuff, and that's fine—bring it on. But this is too important. This is a national health problem, and if we do not conquer this, this thing is going to go on and on. And if most people were vaccinated, this fight over mask or no mask would disappear—be gone. It is... I think it would be a failure on our part not to mandate our employees to be vaccinated. [33:43] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** Shelley, would there be any issues with the unions if something like this were to happen? [33:47] **Shelley Ryan (City Attorney):** It's certainly something we would want to discuss with them. Likely we would be able to push it through because it's not prohibited, but it's absolutely a step we would need to take. [34:03] **Council Member Chris Nobach:** Right. Well, because Chris and I had a little discussion at Public Works about, you know, if an employee in that department gets sick and everybody has to stay home for two weeks, what do we do? Well, I brought it up with snowplow season coming—if half of Public Works is out, we've got no one to plow. [34:25] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** Yeah, I don't know, unless you climb in, Jon. [34:29] **Jon Radermacher (City Administrator):** Oh, yeah, right! He's good. [34:33] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** Jon might know how... he can do it. But that holds true for everybody. [34:40] **Council Member Chris Nobach:** Yeah, that was just an example. [34:42] **Council Member (Unidentified):** Well, I think if the city of San Francisco can do it, the city of Cannon Falls can do it. But that's just me. [34:52] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** I would think we should have her draw something up. I mean, we're not taking any action tonight, and we can all think about it. I don't know if we're at that point yet... we're going to fix and say that everybody needs to. I think everybody's conscience should direct them on what to do. [35:16] **Council Member (Unidentified):** See, I so strongly disagree with that because... if someone says "I'm not going to get it come hell or high water" and then they give it to me, they have just infringed upon my rights and freedoms, and that's not right. I also would like Shelley to move forward with putting something together for us to look at. And if it did come to that, you know, we would all show whatever cards to our HR person here so that everybody's privacy is protected. It's just a shot. It's not like we're asking people to— [36:03] **Council Member Laura Kronenberger:** I hate to put more work on Shelley. Is there something we could write up instead of just a mandate? Something to incentivize? I don't even know what it would be. [36:15] **Shelley Ryan (City Attorney):** Incentives are tough just because the city is so limited in what it can offer employees. We can't offer bonuses; we can't offer anything like that. So the biggest thing we can offer is we'll give you time off to get the shot, which I strongly recommend we do regardless, but we don't really need a policy for that. The only other middle ground I've heard of anyone doing is the middle ground of testing. We're not going to require the vaccine, but we're going to require that you get tested every... you know, you either get the vaccine or you have to go through this testing protocol. It helps. It can cost the city some money because if the city's requiring the testing, the city would have to pay for that. So that is sort of a middle ground we could try if the council is not comfortable going the full mandate. [37:05] **Council Member (Unidentified):** I wouldn't incentivize anybody. You shouldn't have to incentivize somebody to do the right thing. [37:11] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** But if we did go that route, I mean presumably we wouldn't be testing very many people? [37:17] **Shelley Ryan (City Attorney):** I would presume we don't. That's the unknown factor. It's a nuisance factor. There's also a factor of... it's all medical related, so we have to be really, really careful. You know, you couldn't have vaccinated employees line up here and unvaccinated employees lined up there. We'd have to be really careful to keep the medical information private. So there are complications regardless of which option you choose. [37:48] **Council Member Laura Kronenberger:** Is this something that we could put on our next agenda for discussion? I'm not disagreeing with you, but to try to push something through too quickly... we also gotta remember the school year just started, we're paying attention to the county numbers. People are definitely diligent with trying to see which direction the county is going. I don't know if making a decision tonight— [38:15] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** Well, I don't think we should make a decision today at all. Okay, it was just a discussion. Have at least Shelley look into the possibilities of it and bring forward something to the next meeting. [38:25] **Shelley Ryan (City Attorney):** What I can propose is the League has some sample policies. Instead of writing one up for the city, I could provide those. That would give the Council a basis for discussion. Presumably those would have everything from a vaccine mandate to nothing, and that would give the Council some more detail. And then you're not going to do a bunch of work for sure. [38:31] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** That makes sense to me. I can live with that to start with. Let's do that. All right, thank you. Other than that, nothing? [38:35] **Council Member Diane Johnson:** No... I think we should all say there is no such thing as a flushable wipe. No such thing! I'm so sad that... and it's not people's fault, they're reading the label. It says "flushable," they've got two infants, they're gonna flush it. But that's sad we have to go to that expense. That's all I have. [39:10] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** Okay, I got a couple things here. First of all, the Chief of Fire Department, Mr. Altoff, gave me a dime tour of our new fire truck sitting nice and pretty in our fire hall. I hope a lot of you people never have to see it except for maybe in a parade, but he's pretty proud of it. It's a lot of new toys on it, so hopefully we don't have to use it too much. Sandstone Ridge—I want to put together a committee to address the what we have for options up there. Mr. Luke Corman has already offered his assistance with it, and people can either contact Jon or me about if they want to be on the committee. Jon, you have any other input on that? We're probably looking for like a half a dozen, right? [40:10] **Jon Radermacher (City Administrator):** Right, not that many. [40:16] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** Okay, okay. So... and who is this for again? [40:20] **Council Member Laura Kronenberger:** Don't be too enthusiastic now! [40:34] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** No, it hit the limit. Okay, we did it. I didn't have to say a thing. Laura, me, and Steve, and then Luke from the EDA. Okay. One other thing I got is at the last meeting, I made a big mistake and allowed somebody to speak during public input, and he addressed something that was on the agenda. So I was admonished by that for that by a few people and just say that I've learned my lesson, so that will not happen again. I don't think anybody else have anything for the council? [41:20] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** Do I have a motion to adjourn? [41:25] **Council Member (Unidentified):** So moved. [41:26] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** Second? [41:27] **Council Member (Unidentified):** Second. [41:28] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** Motion by Bill, seconded by Matt to adjourn the council meeting. Any further discussion? All in favor? [41:35] **Council Members:** Aye. [41:36] **Mayor Matt Montgomery:** Opposed? Carried. [45:54] [End of Transcript]