>>COUN. DAVIS: WE'LL GIVE YOU 30-SECOND WARNING WHILE WE GET SET UP. WE'LL CHECK WITH THE TWO COUNCILORS ONLINE TO SEE IF THEY CAN HEAR US. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE 42nd MEETING OF THE 27th CITY COUNCIL WE'LL CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. ALL COUNCILORS ARE PRESENT IN SOME FORM OF FASHION, COUNCILOR JONES AND COUNCILOR BENTON ARE JOINED BY ZOOM. AS A REMINDER FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT WEREN'T HERE WHEN COUNCILORS JOIN US REMOTELY WE HAVE TO DO ROLL CALL. WE'LL ASK THE CLERK TO DO ROLL CALL ONE WE GET TO THOSE. FIRST I WANT TO TURN IT OVER TO OUR VICE. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. WOULD YOU JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. WE'LL HAVE THE AMENDMENT OF SILENCE. COUNCILOR LEWIS IS GOING TO LEAD US IN ENGLISH AND COUNCILOR SANCHEZ IN SPANISH. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. OKAY, CIVIC PLAZA PARKING PASSES ARE PROVIDED FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. YOU CAN OBTAIN A PARKING PASS FROM CITY COUNCIL STAFF AT THE TABLE NEAR THE CHAMBER ENTRANCE. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, CITY STAFF, AND THE MEDIA HAVE THE ABILITY TO VIEW THIS MEETING IN PERSON AND ONLINE ON LIVE STREAM THROUGH FOUR DIFFERENT PLATFORMS. GOVTV ON COMCAST CHANNEL 16. GOVTV WEBSITE. YOUTUBE AND ZOOM WEBINAR. A LIVE STREAM CAN BE ACCESSED FROM MOST SMART PHONES, TABLITHS AND COMPUTERS. THIS MEETING IS CLOSED CAPTIONED AND MAY ENABLE THE CLOSED CAPTIONED SERVICED AT THIS TIME. THE RECORDING OF THIS WILL REMAIN AVAILABLE FOR VIEWING AT ANY TIME ON THE CITY COUNCIL WEBSITE. COUNCIL STAFF IS AVAILABLE VIA TELEPHONE IF MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC NEED ASSISTANCE FINDING VIDEOS ONLINE. CALL 505-768-3100 FOR ASSISTANCE DURING BUSINESS HOURS MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. THE COUNCIL WILL TAKE A BREAK AT 7 P.M. IF NEEDED. WITH REGARD TO DECORUM, WE WANT TONIGHT'S PROCEEDINGS TO BE AS CIVIL AND RESPECTFUL AS POSSIBLE. NO PERSONAL ATTACKS OR APPLAUSE OR OUTBURSTS. THE MEETING WILL GO SMOOTHER IF WE'RE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER. AT THIS TIME, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO PROCLAMATIONS AND PRESENTATIONS. AND WE HAVE -- WE WANT TO MOVE THAT THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR ALLOWING MORE THAN FOUR PROCLAMATIONS PER COUNCILOR PER CALENDAR YEAR. I NEED A VOTE TO -- THANK YOU. TO SUS PEPPED THE -- SUSPEND THE RULES. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: NO. >> DID YOU SAY NO? >>COUN. GROUT: COUNCILOR BENTON. >>COUN. BENTON: I SAID NO. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> PASSES ON AN 8-1 VOTE. THANK YOU. >>COUN. GROUT: WE WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE THE FRATERNAL ORDER OF POLICE LODGE NUMBER ONE. BOUGHT -- BOB MARTINEZ IS HERE TO ACCEPT. HE HAS MATT CANDELARIA, A LODGE TRUSTEE. COUNCILOR BASSAN AND COUNCILOR SANCHEZ ARE GOING TO JOIN ME IN THIS PROCLAMATION. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. WHEREAS ALBUQUERQUE LODGE NUMBER ONE WAS CHARTERED ON SEPTEMBER 10 1948. AND WHEREAS, FRANK STEVENSON DEPUTY CHIEF OF THE ALBUQUERQUE POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS ELECTED AS FIRST PRESIDENT OF ALBUQUERQUE LODGE NUMBER ONE. AND WHEREAS, ALBUQUERQUE LODGE NUMBER ONE WAS FIRST LOCATED ON CAMPBLE ROAD NEAR THE RIO GRANDE WHEREIN 1953 THE LODGE BEGAN SUM ISSER YOUTH CAMP FOR THE CHILDREN IN THE BERNALILLO COUNTY AREA AND -- >>COUN. SANCHEZ: WHEREAS, ALBUQUERQUE LODGE ONE CHARTERED THEIR AUXILIARY ON APRIL 4, 1974. AND ALBUQUERQUE LODGE NUMBER ONE COMPLETED A NEW BUILDING ON JEFFERSON TREAT ON 1977. AND ALBUQUERQUE LODGE NUMBER ONE PRODUCED FRATERNAL ORDER OF POLICE PAST NATIONAL PRESIDENT GILBERT G, AN AUXILIARY VICE-PRESIDENT AND FOP NATIONAL SECRETARY LINDA MARTINEZ AND SEVERAL MEMBERS APPOINTED TO FRATERNAL ORDER OF POLICE NATIONAL COMMITTEES AND WHEREAS ALBUQUERQUE LODGE ONE MEMBERS HAVE BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN MOD IZING AND VOLUNTEERING AT THE NATIONAL POLICE OFFICER'S MEMORIAL SERVICE IN WASHINGTON, D.C. >>COUN. BASSAN: WHEREAS ALBUQUERQUE LODGE NUMBER ONE HAS GROWN OVER THE YEARS BECOMING THE LARGEST LODGE IN NEW MEXICO. AND CONSISTING OF MEMBERS FROM LOCAL COUNTY STATE AND FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES INCLUDING UX ILRY AND ASSIST MEMBERS. ALBUQUERQUE LODGE NUMBER ONE IS RECOGNIZED FOR 75 YEARS OF SERVICE AT THE FRATERNAL ORDER OF POLICE IN THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO AND CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. AND WHEREAS ALBUQUERQUE LODGE NUMBER ONE IS A STRONG PARTICIPANT IN THE NATIONAL FRATERNAL ORDER OF POLICE. THEREFORE BE IT PRO CLAIMED THAT THE COUNCIL'S GOVERNING BODY OF THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE COMMENDS AND RECOGNIZES THE MEMBERS OF ALBUQUERQUE LODGE NUMBER ONE AND FAMILIES FOR 75 YEARS OF SERVICE OF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT COMMUNITY AND TO THE PEOPLE OF THE ALBUQUERQUE COMMUNITY. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MARTINEZ. TELL US ABOUT YOUR -- WHAT YOU GUYS ARE UP AND HOW YOU SERVE OUR COMMUNITY. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT FOR RECOGNIZING AND HONORING MORE THAN 1,000 MEMBERS OF THE FUTRNL ORDER OF POLICE OFFICERS LODGE ONE. WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE RECOGNITION YOU'RE GIVING THE MEMBERS. WE'VE BEEN AROUND FOR 75 YEARS. WE STARTED IN 1948 AND CONTINUE TO WORK CLOSELY WITH THE COMMUNITY. AS YOU KNOW THE FRATERNAL ORDER OF POLICE, THE VOICE OF LUENFORCEMENT, WE HAVE MORE THAN 373,000 MEMBERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. WE ARE HERE TO PROTECT AND SERVE AND THANK YOU FOR THIS RECOGNITION. >>COUN. GROUT: COUNCILORS, ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I JUST LIKE TO SAY I'M A CURRENT MEMBER OF LODGE ONE. WHEN I STARTED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN 1988 I ATTENDED THE 40th AN VARSRY -- ANNIVERSARY OF ALBUQUERQUE LODGE ONE. I'VE BEEN A FRATERNAL ORDER OF POLICE BROTHER FOR 35 YEARS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WHAT YOU DO. VERY PROUD TO BE PART OF THE FOP. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. [ APPLAUSE ] THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. >> WE HAVE A CHALLENGE GOING FOR ALL OF YOU AS WELL AS FOR THE STAFF. WE APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON, COUNCILOR DAVIS. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. I WANT TO INVITE UP OUR ESTEEMED COLLEAGUES FROM THE ACS BOARD. I SEE YOLANDA CORDOVA. AND OTHER MEMBERS. WE ASK YOU TO COME UP AND TALK TO US. THEY ASKED FOR A FEW MINUTES TO TALK ABOUT THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH. WELCOME. >> THANK YOU, COUNCILORS. THANK YOU FOR HAVING US TONIGHT. THE PURPOSE OF THE VISIT AND THIS IS BOARD MEMBER CRYSTAL ROMERO. SHE'S JOINING HERE TONIGHT TO TALK TO YOU ALL. WE HAVE BEEN CONDUCTING SOME OUTREACH SESSIONS ACROSS THE CITY BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF SEARCHING FOR A NEW SUPERINTENDENT. AND UNDER A GOVERNANCE MODEL WE HAVE, COMMUNITY OUTREACH IS ONE OF THE CORNERSTONES OF THIS. WE GONE OUT TO THE COMMUNITY LAST YEAR AND THIS YEAR AND WE'RE SEEKING INPUT FROM ALL OF OUR COLLEAGUES INCLUDING YOU AS CITY COUNCILLORS FOR THE CITY. YOUR PARTICIPATION AND YOUR VOICE IS REALLY CRITICAL TO US BECAUSE THE PARTNERSHIP WITH BETWEEN APS AND THE CITY IS CRITICAL. WE CANNOT IMPROVE OUR STUDENT OUTCOMES WITHOUT THE CITY. OUR 142 SCHOOLS AND 66,000 STUDENTS ENROLLED IN APS ALONG WITH THE 15,000 ENROLLED IN THE APS CHARTER SCHOOLS IS CRITICAL. AND WE KNOW TOGETHER OUR VOICES CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. SO, WE'RE HERE TONIGHT BASICALLY TO ENGAGE WITH YOU A LITTLE BIT AND IF YOU WANT TO SHARE WITH US WHAT YOU BELIEVE ARE SOME OF THE KEY CHARACTERISTICS YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN A SUPERINTENDENT WHEN WE START THIS PROCESS. MS. ROMERO CAN SHARE ABOUT THE PROCESS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE. WE'VE GOT -- DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE APPLICATION? >> THANK YOU. WE'RE CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW IN THE MIDST OF SEARCHING FOR THE SUPERINTENDENT. OUR TIMELINE IS STRICT AND OUR GOAL IS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A SUPERINTENDENT IN PLACE BY EARLY 2024. SO, WE WILL BE CLOSING OUT ALL APPLICANTS BY THE END OF THIS MONTH AND START THE INTERVIEW PROCESS IN JANUARY. WE'RE ON A REALLY TIGHT SCHEDULE. YOUR FEEDBACK IS CRITICAL BECAUSE WE WANT TO FIND OUT SPECIFICALLY WHAT YOU WANT IN A SUPERINTENDENT AND WHAT YOU DO NOT WANT. WE WILL BE GATHERING YOUR THOUGHTS TONIGHT AND TAKING IT BACK AND JUST REALLY COMPILING ALL OF THE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED FROM THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. BOARD MEMBER MANTOYA SAID THIS IS A TWO-WAY CONVERSATION AND WE INVITE YOU TO ENGAGE WITH US AND GIVE US SPECIFIC DESIRES OF WHAT YOU HAVE FOR OUR NEXT SUPERINTENDENT. >>COUN. GROUT: COUNCILORS, ANY QUESTIONS? ANY COMMENTS? MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I KNOW YOU HAVE NEW BOARD MEMBERS COMING ON BOARD. I KNOW THAT BOARD MEMBER PETERSON HAD A COUPLE OF PUBLIC MEETINGS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE SOUTHEAST. DO YOU KNOW BOARD MEMBERS WHAT'S THE TIMELINE DO YOU EXPECT UNTIL YOU HAVE A NEW SUPERINTENDENT AND HOW MANY MEETINGS UNTIL WE HAVE NEW MEMBERS COMING ON BOARD AND HOW CAN WE HELPFUL? >> THE APPLICATION IS OPEN THROUGH THE MID-MONTH OF DECEMBER. THERE'S A SECTION MEETING. THE NEXT BOARD MEETING THIS WEDNESDAY WE'RE GOING TO FINALIZE THE CHARACTERISTICS AND LOOKING AT THAT. THE NEW BOARD MEMBERS ARE GETTING ON BOARDED WITH APS THIS WEEK AS WE SPEAK. I WILL ACTUALLY BE WITH THE NEW BOARD MEMBERS TOMORROW AND WE'VE GOT A SERIES OF MEETING FOR THEM. THERE'S ALSO GOING TO BE TOWNHALL MEETINGS THAT ARE GOING TO TAKE PLACE AFTER THE FINALESTS ARE SELECTED. THAT WILL ALSO BE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY TO COME AND MEET THE FINALISTS. THEN THE COMMUNITY IS INVITED BACK INTO A TOWNHALL TO VISIT WITH TH FINALISTS. TONIGHT IS TO LISTEN TO YOU AS A LEADER OF THE CITY AND ROLE AS CITY COUNCILLOR, GIVING US ADVICE IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU EXPECT FOR US TO CONSIDER AS THOSE KEY CHARACTERISTICS FOR SUPERINTENDENT. BECAUSE WE BOTH NEED A GOOD SUPERINTENDANT FOR OUR CITY TO THRIVE. THIS IS WHY WE'RE VISITING WITH YOU TONIGHT. >>COUN. GROUT: COUNCILORS? >>COUN. DAVIS: IF I CAN FOLLOW THAT REALLY QUICKLY. MY REQUEST, I'D HAVE TO SAY THE MOST IMPACTFUL THING I'VE SEEN THE CITY AND COUNTY DO TOGETHER IS COMMUNITY SCHOOLS INITIATIVES. SOMETHING THAT STARTED FROM FALL BACK IN CITY COUNCIL AND IT'S BEEN A REAL PARTNERSHIP THAT HELPED US GROW. APSGC. MY REQUEST OR HOPE IS BE SURE THEY HAVE EXPERIENCE THERE OR KNOWLEDGE THERE. BECAUSE I THINK THAT SO CRITICAL TO THE FUTURE OF APS AND IMPROVING OUTCOMES PARTICULARLY IN THE TITLE ONE SCHOOL AND COMMUNITIES WE SHARE. I HOPE THAT'S PART OF THE CONVERSATIONS. IT'S REALLY SPECIALIZED PROGRAM THAT ONE THAT APS LED THE NATION IN TERMS OF ESTABLISHING POLICY AND GETTING OUTCOMES. I HOPE YOU CONTINUE TO MAKE THAT A PRIORITY. IF I GET ONE REQUEST, THAT'S MINE. >> I HEAR YOU. COMMUNITY SCHOOLS ARE IMPORTANT. WHAT MAKES ALBUQUERQUE SHINE IS THE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY AND COUNTY AND SCHOOL DISTRICT. WE'RE UNIQUE IN THAT AND THE TESTAMENT TO THE COMMITMENT FROM THE CITY ON THAT, FOR SURE. >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, THANK YOU FOR COMING AND SPEAKING TO US. I DON'T HAVE MORE TO ADD. BECAUSE I SIT ON THE COMMUNITY SCHOOL BOARD WITH EVERYBODY. IT WAS REALLY GREAT BECAUSE YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB OF TRYING TO GET TO THE DIFFERENT MEETINGS TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE AND NOTIFY PEOPLE THAT YOU SPEAK UP. PARENTS, TEACHERS, COMMUNITY MEMBERS. I THINK IT'S REALLY AWESOME TO SEE THE PROACTIVE WAYS IN YOUR SEARCH. IT'S PRETTY IMPRESSIVE NOW THAT I'VE BEEN IN TWO MEETINGS THAT DIFFERENT BOARD MEMBERS AND ASKED FOR THE FEEDBACK. PLEASE KEEP IT UP. I'LL MAKE SURE TO EMAIL MY LONG LIST OF REQUIREMENTS AND WISHES AND DESIRES AS A MOM OF FOUR. >> YOU CAN SEND ALL YOUR COMMENTS AT BOARD ED AT @ APS.EDU. >> MY DAUGHTER HAS BEEN . >>COUN. GROUT: MY DAUGHTER HAS BEEN A TEACHER FOR 16 YEARS. SHE RECENTLY MOVED TO TEXAS AND IS TEACHING THERE. I'M GOING TO REACH OUT TO HER. I HAVE ANOTHER HALF-DOZEN FRIENDS THAT ARE TEACHERS. I'M GOING TO ASK THEM WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO THEM AND I'LL GET BACK WITH YOU AS FAR AS THAT GOES. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU COMING TO COUNCIL AND TO THE OTHER OUTREACH AREAS THAT YOU HAVE GONE. I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPRESSIVE. AND WE NEED THAT. I ENJOYED BEING ON THE ABCDC-APS BOARD COMMITTEE THIS YEAR. I THINK WORKING TOGETHER WE CAN ACCOMPLISH SO MUCH. THIS IS ONE AVENUE AND THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. THANKS FOR BEING HERE. >> I JUST WANT TO SAY WITH THE BOARD'S GOALS AND GUARDRAILS WE HAVE ANNOUNCED THOSE OUT CITY-WIDE. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT OUR VISION WAS AS A BOARD. THERE WOULD BE THAT ENGAGEMENT IN THE CITY AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT OUR GOALS AROUND IMPROVING LITERACY, NUMERACY, AND SOCIAL EMOTIONAL LEARNING. AND ALSO WE HAVE THE STRATEGIC PLAN THAT TIZE TO THAT AND EVERYBODY IN THE IN THE CITY IS AWARE TO MAKE THAT A REALITY. I'M AN OUTGOING BOARD MEMBER. THIS IS MY LAST MONTH. I JUST WANT TO SAY MY APPRECIATION TO THE CITY AND TO YOU AS COUNCILORS. I'VE HAD SOME RELATIONSHIPS WITH MANY OF YOU ON HERE. I JUST APPRECIATE YOUR COMMITMENT TO APS AND THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE TO LIFT US UP AS WE'RE MOVING THROUGH THIS. IT TAKES ALL OF US. AND I BELIEVE TARTH WE'RE GOING TO EMERGE STRONGER AS OUR STRATEGIC PLAN STATES. THANK YOU INTEREST YOUR COMMITMENT TO THE CITY AND EDUCATION. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU FOR SERVING OUR CHILDREN. >> THANK YOU. >>COUN. GROUT: VERY GOOD. LET'S MOVE ON TO COUNCILOR DAVIS. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. THIS IS OUR LAST MEETING OF THE 2023 YEAR. AND SOME OF US WILL NOT BE BACK NEXT YEAR. AS NEW COUNCILORS WILL STEP IN THE PLACE. THE WORK OF THIS COUNCIL IS TREMENDOUS. WE'RE LOOKING BACK IN THE NUMBER OF THE POLICES OF LEGISLATION AND COUNTING UP THE NUMBER OF MIDNIGHT MEETINGS. THIS IS ONE FOR THE RECORD BOOKS. ALL THE WORK THAT GOT DONE IN THE CITY COUNCIL LEVEL STARTS WITH OUR COMMITTEES. WHICH ARE CHAIRED BY OUR COUNCILORS. I WANT TOSAY THANK YOU AND GIVE A SPECIAL ACKNOWLEDGEMENT TO EACH OF THE COUNCILORS FOR THEIR SERVICE. EACH OF THEM -- WE PRESENTED EACH OF THE COMMITTEE CHAIRS WITH WITH A GAVEL TO HONOR THEIR SERVICE AND TO SAY THANK YOU THEY CAN HANG IN THEIR OFFICE OR TAKE HOME WITH THEM AND HAVE ON THEIR HOME WALLS. WE WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO COUNCILOR BASSAN WHO SERVED AS COMMITTEE CHAIR FOR COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE BUDGET COMMITTEE. THANK YOU, MA'AM. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, HIS FIRST CHAIRMANSHIP. DID A GREAT JOB WITH FINANCE AND GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS COMMITTEE. CHAIR, THANK YOU. AND COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN AS LAND USE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE CHAIR. THANK YOU. [ APPLAUSE ]. I ALWAYS WANT TO THANK COUNCILOR GROUT AND SERVED AS VP TOOK ON MORE ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES. YOU'VE HAVE DONE A FABULOUS JOB AND RUNNING THE MEETINGS AND SERVING AS VICE-CHAIR. WE COULD NOT BE MORE PROUD. THANK YOU SO MUCH. [ APPLAUSE ]. >>COUN. DAVIS: OTHER COUNCILORS, IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS, WE LEAVE THOSE OPEN AND AVAILABLE? I ALSO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. I THINK HE'S ONLINE. I'M GOING TO SEE IF COUNCILOR BENTON CAN SEE US BEFORE HE TALK ABOUT HIM. COUNCILOR, ARE YOU WITH US, STILL? WE HAVE COUNCILOR JONES AS WELL. WE WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. WE HAVE TWO COUNCILORS THAT HAVE SERVED ALMOST LONGER THAN ANYBODY. COUNCILOR BENTON SERVED DISTRICTS TWO AND THREE FOR 18 YEARS AND RETIRING IN A FEW WEEKS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. SO GLAD YOU JOINED US TONIGHT. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR BENTON, FOR JOIN US ON ZOOM TONIGHT. [ APPLAUSE ] COUNCILOR, THE FLOOR IS YOURS IF YOU COMMENTS? AND I THINK COUNCILOR LEWIS WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING TO YOU, FIRST. >>COUN. LEWIS: MR. PRESIDENT, I'D BE GLAD TO HAVE HIM -- IF HE WANTS TO GO FIRST THAT WOULD BE FINE. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR BENTON, GO AHEAD. >>COUN. BENTON: DON'T GET ME STARTED. NO, YOU KNOW WHAT, MY COMMENT IS VERY BRIEF. THAT'S JUST THAT IT'S BEEN AN HONOR TO SERVE ON THE COUNCIL. MANY COUNCIL AND THE WHOLE IDEA OF THE COUNCIL HAS BEEN AN IMPORTANT THING FOR ME TO SERVE AND THE FACT TO HELP THE BRANCH OF THE GOVERNMENT FOR THE CITY. I'VE ENJOYED THE SUPPORT OF EVERY COUNCILOR IN THAT REGARD. WE HOLD THIS BODY TO HIGH ESTEEM AND WE DO PRETTY GOOD WORK AS A BODY. I THINK IT'S GOOD BALANCE. I THINK IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE THAT BALANCE OF GOVERNMENT. I KNOW WE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT DIFFERENTLY, AND THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT. IT'S BEEN AN HONOR TO SERVE. HONOR TO SERVE THE CITY. I USED TO SAY WHEN I WAS AN ARCHITECT, THE CITY IS THE BEST ORGANIZED GROUP IN THE STATE. THAT'S PLAYED OUT TO BE PRETTY TRUE. AS A CITY, I THINK WE HAVE SUCH WONDERFUL PEOPLE WORKING AND FOR THE COMMON GOOD. I KNOW EVERYBODY HERE HAS A CONCERNED MIND. I'M VERY LUC LUCKY TO BE A PART OF IT. I THANK YOU FOR THE RECOGNITION. AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR YEARS OF WORK AND WORKING TOGETHER. BEING -- THAT'S WHAT OUR WORK IS. I THINK IT IS NON-PARTISAN. WE'RE RUNNING A CITY GOVERNMENT. I APPRECIATE ALL THE SUPPORT PEOPLE HAVE GIVEN ME OVER THE YEARS AND ALL OF YOUR SACRIFICES AND GIFTS THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN THE CITY. I WISH YOU THE VERY BEST. AND A GREAT HOLIDAY SEASON. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR. COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I WAS GOING TO TURN THIS INTO A ROAST AND THANK COUNCILOR BENTON FOR BEING THE FIRST CITY COUNCILLOR IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. ANYWAY I WAS GOING TO GO ON LIKE THAT. LET ME FIRST SAY THANK YOU TO THE ALL THOSE THAT CHAIRED COMMITTEES THIS YEAR, THANK YOU TO COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, FIRST TIME I SERVED ON THE LUPZ COMMITTEE. PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE ALL THE GOOD WORK THAT GOES ON IN THESE COMMITTEES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. AND CERTAINLY THE LAND USE PLANNING COMMITTEE. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ LEADING OUR FGO AND COUNCILOR BASSAN LEADING OUR BUDGET. OUR COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE REALLY. AND THERE'S A LOT OF MEETINGS THAT GO ON THROUGHOUT THE YEAR THAT SHE LED US DURING THAT TIME. AND THOSE BUDGET TIMES ARE VERY DIFFICULT. SHE DID A GREAT JOB THROUGH THAT. WHEN WE GET THE BUDGET FROM THE MAYOR AND THEN A LOT OF CHANGES THAT GO THROUGH THAT. WE HAVE A LOT OF MONEY IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. I LEARNED MY LESSON BY OFFERING TO LOWER THE GRT. AND I LOST THAT ON 8-1 AND I REALIZED WE HAVE A LOT OF MONEY TO SPEND. I'M KIDDING. COUNCILOR BASSAN DUD A PHENOMENAL JOB. COUNCILOR DAVIS, THANKS FOR CHAIRING THE COMMITTEE THIS YEAR AND BEING THE PRESIDENT. THANK YOU FOR BEING FAIR FOR THE MOST PART, WHEN YOU WEREN'T FAIR WE OVERROAD YOU. THAT WAS NICE. I'M KIDDING. THANK YOU FOR SERVING, AND MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT AS WELL. AND ALSO TO COUNCILOR BENTON AND COUNCILOR JONES. I SERVED WITH THEM FOR A LONG TIME. AND I THINK PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THAT WE'RE ALL PRETTY CLOSE. WE'RE CLOSE AS FRIENDS, OUR FAMILIES ARE CLOSE. WE'VE COME FROM DIFFERENT IDEOLOGIES AND DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY. WE REPRESENT DIFFERENT GROUPS OF PEOPLE. AND WE HAVE THINGS WE FIGHT FOR. AND OFTENTIMES DIFFERENT BILLS AND WE COME AT IT IN DIFFERENT WAYS. AND WE DO THAT WITH EVERYTHING WE'VE GOT BECAUSE WE'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT WHAT WE DO. YET, I THINK PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE HOW CLOSE WE ARE AS FRIENDS AND FAMILIES. AND HOW MUCH WE ENJOY SERVING THE CITY TOGETHER. AND WE'RE KIND OF LIKE A FAMILY WHEN SOMEONE GETS PICKED ON. WE ALL STAND UP FOR EACH OTHER. IF THE MAYOR HAS A PROBLEM WITH ONE OF US HE'S GOT A PROBLEM WITH ALL OF US. WE STICK UP FOR EACH OTHER IN THAT WAY. I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR SERVING AND THIS IS -- THIS IS THIS REALLY IS, WHEN PEOPLE SERVE AS LONG AS COUNCILOR DAVIS AND COUNCILOR BENTON AND COUNCILOR JONES HAVE, THEY DESERVE TO BE HONORED FOR THEIR SERVICE AND FOR SO MUCH THAT THEY'VE DONE. I KNOW THAT THEY DO IT BECAUSE THEY TRULY HAVE CARED FOR THEIR DISTRICT AND WORKED EXTREMELY HARD FOR THEIR DISTRICTS. I KNOW WHAT IT TAKES AND WHAT YOU ALL HAVE BEEN THROUGH. I WANT TO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOU HAVE DONE. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR. WHERE ALSO -- I ALSO WANT TO THANK COUNCILOR JONES WHO SERVED IN DISTRICT EIGHT FOR 16 YEARS. SHE'S JOINING FOR HER LAST MEETING TONIGHT. COUNCILOR JONES, ARE YOU THERE? THANK YOU SO MUCH. >>COUN. JONES: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. COUNCILOR BENTON, I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT YOU MAY HAVE SERVED TWO YEARS LONGER THAN I HAVE, BUT I'M STILL OLDER THAN YOU ARE. THANK YOU, ALL. THIS HAS BEEN A GREATS HONOR AND PLEASURE TO SERVE ALL OF THE YEARS. I FIRST GOT INTO IT BECAUSE I WAS WATCHING A CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON TV ONE LATE EVENING AND THAT TELLS YOU HOW BORING MY LIFE USES TO BE. IT IS NO LONGER BORING. I DECIDED I DIDN'T LIKE THE WAY THEY WERE TEACHING AND TREATING THE PEOPLE WHO CAME UP TO TESTIFY OR TALK BEFORE THE COUNCIL. I THOUGHT PERHAPS I CAN MAKE -- BRING A LITTLE CIVILITY AND THE RIGHT FEEL TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS. WITH THE HELP OF EVERYONE THAT SERVED ON THIS COUNCIL, THAT HAS HAPPENED. WE'VE ALL WORKED TOGETHER TO DO GREAT THINGS FOR OUR CITY BECAUSE ONE COMMON DENOMINATOR, WE ALL LOVE THIS CITY. WE HOPE TO MAKE IT BETTER AND KEEP IT BEING BETTER. 16 YEARS LATER AND GREAT HAIR, THERE'S NO LONGER ANY RED IN IT. THANK YOU ALL. I ENJOYED IT. THANK YOU TO EVERYONE THAT HELPED. I WANT TO GIVE A REALLY IMPORTANT THANK YOU TO CHAVEZ WHO HAS BEEN MY POLICY ANALYST FOR MOST OF THAT TIME. IF PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT POLICY ANALYSTS DO, THEY'RE NOT SECRETARIES. THEY DO EVERYTHING. THEY'RE UNBELIEVABLE AND SUCH A GREAT ASSIST AND -- ASSISTANT AND ASSET FOR CITY COUNCIL. AND NOW MY HUSBAND WANTS TO SPEND THE LAST YEARS WITH HIM. I THINK HE'LL BE SORRY, BUT I WILL. THANK YOU. I'M STILL HERE. BUT THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR JONES. COUNCILORS, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? >>COUN. LEWIS: MR. PRESIDENT. JUST I GUESS AS A FINAL WORD, I WANT TO SAY THE VERY BEST TO YOU ALL. TO COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR JONES, AND COUNCILOR BENTON. THE VERY BEST TO YOU AND TO YOUR FAMILIES. I HOPE YOU LOOK BACK ON THESE TIMES AS BEING A CITY COUNCILLOR AND HAVE NOTHING BUT GREAT MEMORIES AND A LOT OF GRATITUDE FROM A GRATEFUL CITY FOR YOUR SERVICE AND SO, WE WISH THE VERY BEST FOR YOU AND WANT THE VERY BEST FOR YOU. AND KNOW HOW GRATEFUL WE ARE FOR YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU, COUNCILOR DAVIS, FOR SERVING AS PRESIDENT OF THE COUNCIL IN 2023. AND FOR SERVING DISTRICT SIX FOR EIGHT YEARS. YOU HAVE BEEN A VERY GOOD LEADER FOR ME. I APPRECIATE YOU. I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK COUNCILOR DAVIS -- COUNCILOR BENTON AND COUNCILOR JONES FOR BEING EXAMPLES. I REALLY ENJOYED WORKING WITH ALL THREE OF YOU. I'VE LEARNED SO MUCH FROM. I APPRECIATED EVERY TIME I CALLED YOU FOR ADVICE OR FOR QUESTIONS AND YOU HAVE BEEN THERE. AND YOU HAVE BEEN GIVING IT WILLINGLY. AS COUNCILOR LEWIS SAID, WE'RE A WORK FAMILY. WE DO GET CLOSE. AND WE HAVE DIFFERENCES SOMETIMES. WE ALL ADMIRE EACH OTHER AND RESPECT EACH OTHER AND I DO APPRECIATE YOU. I WISH YOU THE BEST IN YOUR FUTURE. I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO DO GREAT THINGS. WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY? >>COUN. DAVIS: LET ME GO TO DR. SINGLE FROM THE ADMINISTRATION WHILE ALL THE THIS THINGS ARE BEING SAID. THIS MIGHT BE THE LAST TIME WE AGREE TONIGHT. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BENTON, COUNCILOR JONES, ON BEHALF OF THE ADMINISTRATION AND ALL OF THE THOUSANDS OF EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND SHOW OUR APPRECIATION BECAUSE ALL OF YOU COMMIT YOUR TIME AND YOU SERVE THE CITY AND YOU DO SO AS YOU HAVE SAID FOR DECADES OR CLOSE TO DECADES. AND I KNOW THAT WE ARE INCREDIBLY HONORED TO HAVE PEOPLE THAT SERVE OUR CITY AND DO SO AS VOLUNTEERS. THAT'S INCREDIBLE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. THANK YOU FOR THE MANY YEARS YOU HAVE SERVED THE DISTRICTS THAT YOU REPRESENT, BUT ALSO COMING TOGETHER AS A COLLECTIVE MEMBER OF THIS BODY. IT ABSOLUTELY IS ATOTOMY -- TESTIMONY TO WHO YOU ARE AND THE COMMUNITIES YOU REPRESENT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. AND THANK YOU FOR LONGSTANDING SERVICE. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, DOCTOR. LET ME ECHO WHAT I HEARD -- I KNOW COUNCILOR JONES AND COUNCILOR BENTON SAID, AS WE LOOK OUT HERE, THIS IS -- I KNOW COUNCILOR JONES SAID IN AN INTERVIEW OVER THE SPRING WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT NOT RUNNING. SHE SAID THIS IS THE BEST JOB I'LL EVER HAVE. I 100% AGREE. I'VE HAD LOTS OF JOBS. AND WE WON'T LOOK BACK ON ALL THE MEMORIES AS GOOD MEMORIES. NOT THE 1:30 A.M. MEETINGS AND A FEW OF THOSE. BUT THERE'S NO OTHER PLACE THAT ANYBODY GETS TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON EACH OTHER, FAMILIES, NEIGHBORS AND THE CITY AND GET SOMETHING DONE. THIS IS THE LAST PLACE WE GET TO DO THAT. I SEE COMMISSIONER BACA FROM THE COUNTY. GETTING DOWN AND DIRTY AND GETTING INVOLVED IN ALL THE LITTLE THINGS. THERE'S 36 THINGS ON THE AGENDA. AND WE'RE GOING TO AGREE ON 35 OF THEM BY THE TIME WE'RE DONE TONIGHT. I DON'T THINK PEOPLE REALIZE HOW MUCH WE WANT TO GET DOWN IN THE DETAILS AND CARE. THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN WITHOUT ALL OF OUR STAFF. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO UNDERSTAND ALL THOSE PIECES OF LEGISLATION WITHOUT THE AMAZING FOLKS THAT SIT OVER HERE AND SIT AT OUR FRONT TABLE AND WATCH ONLINE ON ZOOM. THEY HAVE DONE A FABULOUS JOB. IT'S NOT OFTEN A POLICY ANALYST STICKS AROUND FOR VERY LONG. SHAUN HAS STUCK AROUND FOR ME. I CAN'T IMAGINE TO TAKE ALL THE PHONE CALL AND EMAILS THAT HE AND ALL THE OTHERS TAKE EVERY DAY. LOTS OF IT IS PEOPLE BEING HAPPY THAT SOMETHING WORKED OUT. BUT USUALLY PEOPLE DON'T CALL WHEN SOMETHING DOESN'T WORK WELL. THEY GET TO HEAR ALL THE THINGS THAT DON'T WORK IN THE CITY AND ARGUE WITH THE ADMINISTRATION STAFF OF WHY THEY DIDN'T DO IT IN TIME. AND THEY ARGUE WHY WE DINT GIVE ENOUGH MONEY IN THE FIRST PLACE. IT'S AN IMPOSSIBLE JOB. THIS IS THE WORST WAY YOU CAN POSSIBLY MAKE A DECISION IS BY ASKING NINE PEOPLE WHAT THEY THINK. IT'S THE BEST WE HAVE. ALL OF THE CHALLENGES WE HAVE IN THE CITY IN TRAVELING AROUND THE COUNTRY AND TALKING TO OTHER COMMISSIONERS AND MAYORS, WE HAVE A LOT OF ARGUE ON AND WORK ON BUT WE DO PRETTY GOOD. WE WORK FOR EACH OTHER. WE TALK TOGETHER AND SEE OUR FAMILIES. FOR YOUR STAFF AND THE MAYOR'S STAFF. WE'VE GONE THROUGH A LOT. WE'VE CHANGED A LOT AND GOT A NEW STAFF AND MANAGED TO KEEP THINGS GOING. THAT'S ABOUT OUR COLLEAGUES THAT PUT OUR EMOTIONS AND PERSONAL AGENDAS ASIDE FOR THE BETTER GOOD. WHO REALLY WE'RE WILLING TO SIT DOWN AND LISTEN TO EACH OTHER ON ALL KINDS OF THINGS. I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE ADMITTED MORE TIMES THAN NOT WHEN I WAS WRONG. BUT I THINK WE TRY TO DO BETTER AND MAKE GOOD DECISIONS. I ENCOURAGE ANYONE THAT THINKS OF RUNNING FOR PUBLIC OFFICE PARTICULARLY THIS OFFICE TO THINK ABOUT IT HARD AND JUMP ALL IN. WHICH REMINDS ME THERE'S ONLY ONLY MORE DISTRICT THAT HAPPENS. PLEASE VOTE IN OUR RUNOFF IN DISTRICT SIX. THOSE CANDIDATES ARE COUNTING ON YOU AND SO IS OUR CITY. THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR SERVICE AND THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENTS. >>COUN. GROUT: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY. LET'S MOVE ON TO ADMINISTRATION QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD. COUNCILORS, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ADMIN? I HAVE JUST A FEW. QUICKLY. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM CHAIR. MAYBE, MR. PRESIDENT, IF YOU CAN CLARIFY THIS. I CAN ASK ONE QUESTION OF THE ADMINISTRATION RIGHT NOW AND IT APPLIES MORE TOWARD THE VETO OVERRIDE THAT WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS IN A LITTLE BIT. WOULD YOU CLARIFY BRIEFLY -- I KNOW MOST FOLKS SEE THE VETO OVERRIDE ARE ON THE END OF THE AGENDA. I BELIEVE OUR PLAN IS TO SEE THE VETO OVERRIDES IS BEFORE THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT OR RIGHT AFTER THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. WE'RE GOING TO ENCOURAGE IF YOU'RE SPEAKING IN GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AND REGARDING THE TWO VETO OVERRIDES JUST SPEAK FOR ONE TIME IF YOU CAN. AND MY UNDERSTANDING -- AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT? >>COUN. DAVIS: THAT'S CORRECT. WE'RE GOING TO REARRANGE THINGS TO LET FOLKS GET OUT OF HERE FOR THAT ISSUE. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF A FEW PROCEDURAL THINGS. WE HAVE THE CONSENT AGENDA BECAUSE THAT COMES FIRST. AND WE'LL MOVE INTO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT WHICH INCLUDES THAT COMMENT AND WE'LL MOVE UNTIL THE VETOES ALONG WITH THE OTHER RESOLUTIONS THAT GO ALONG WITH THE AIR QUALITY BOARD AND THEN WE'LL TAKE A BREAK. WE'LL TAKE EVERYTHING EARLY AND BEFORE THE AGENDA A LITTLE BIT AND COME BACK AND TAKE EVERYTHING ELSE. FOR THE ADMINISTRATION, IF YOU'RE HERE FOR SOMETHING ELSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET TO THE OTHER FINAL ACTIONS UNTIL AFTER THE DINNER BREAK. WHATEVER TIME THAT INASMUCH HOPEFULLY WE'LL LET SOME OF THE FOLKS OUT OF HERE TONIGHT. IT'S A SCHOOL DAY TOMORROW. >>COUN. LEWIS: MR. PRESIDENT, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, SINCE WE'RE GOING ON THAT SCHEDULE ON THOSE LINES. I HAVE ONE COMMENT ON THE Q&A TIME. AND THAT IS THAT IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING, WE KNOW THERE'S AN AIR QUALITY BOARD MEETING GOING ON RIGHT NOW. AND IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS MORNING THAT OPPONENTS TO THE RULE PROPOSED MOTION TO STOP THE PROPOSED RULE BECAUSE THE BOARD DOES NOT HAVE JURISDICTION OR AUTHORITY. I GUESS A QUICK QUESTION OF DID THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH DEPARTMENT SUPPORT THE MOTION THAT WAS MADE TO STOP THE BOARD FROM PASSING THAT REGULATION? >>COUN. DAVIS: DR. SINGLE. I THINK THAT'S AN ADMIN QUESTION. >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR LEWIS, THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH DEPARTMENT TOOK A POSITION IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO VACATE THE HEARING. WHICH WAS THE FIRST MOTION THIS MORNING AND BASED ON A QUESTION ABOUT THE SUFFICIENCY FOR THE NOTICE OF THE MEETING. I DON'T BELIEVE WE FORMALLY TOOK A POSITION ON THE MOTION ON JURISDICTION. JURISDICTIONAL MOTION WHICH I THINK IS THE ONE YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT. WE HAVE GENERALLY SAID AS YOU REMEMBER THE PLEADING THAT YOU READ PREVIOUSLY, WE AGREE WITH THE LEGAL ANALYSIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: AND YOU ALREADY STATED THAT YOU DON'T THINK THE BOARD HAS JURISDICTION AND WE DON'T HAVE A WAY OF RIGHT NOW TO BE ABLE TO DISMISS A PROPOSED RULE ON THAT WAY. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. WE'LL GET TO MORE OF THAT IN A FEW POINTS. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. MY FIRST QUESTION IS FOR DIRECTOR PIERCE. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THIS EVENING. I SEE YOU HAVE A GUEST. WHO DID YOU BRING WITH YOU? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, AT OUR LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING THERE WAS AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA RELATED TO THE LEASE WITH THE PLUMBER'S UNION. AND THE COUNCIL ASKED IF I SPOKE TO HOPE WORKS AND HE HAD JUST ARRIVED. I BROUGHT LEON DIXON WHO IS THE NEW CEO FOR POPE WORKS WITH ME TODAY. WE HAD A GREAT MEETING LAST WEEK TOTALK ABOUT THE LEASE. IT'S ON THE CITY COUNCIL AGENDA TONIGHT. AND THE UPSHOT WAS AGREED THIS IS A GOOD THING TO HAVE THAT. THE PLUMBERS UNION BECAUSE WE CAN WORK OUT THE PROCESSES TO ACTUALLY HAVE HOPE WORKS GUESTS BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE JOURNEYMAN'S PROGRAM AS WELL AS OTHER AVENUES TO GET PEOPLE INTO JOBS. AND SO, I WANTED HIM TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY SO HE COULD MEET CITY COUNCIL AS THE NEW LEADER IN THE COMMUNITY. >> THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO BE HERE TONIGHT. I'LL BE BRIEF. HAD A CONVERSATION LAST WEEK. I'M NOT NAIVE TO SAY EVERY CLIENT WILL BENEFIT FROM IT. IF WE CAN JUST GET ONE TO BENEFIT FROM IT WE HAVE DONE A SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY. I THINK THERE'S MORE OPPORTUNITY THAN WE REALIZE. I USED TO DO A RE-ENTRY PROGRAM WITH SIMILAR DEMOGRAPHIC. AND RATES OF RECIDIVISM WENT DOWN TREMENDOUSLY. COUCH SURFING THAT PEOPLE DON'T TALK ABOUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE HOMELESSNESS WAS ERADICATED. BECAUSE THEY WERE ABLE TO PAY BILLS. THAT WAS THROUGH TRADE UNION PROGRAM. I'M IN FAVOR. I'M SURE WE CAN FIND WAYS TO WORK THINGS OUT. I'M SURE THERE WILL BE OBSTACLES LONG THE WAY. >>COUN. GROUT: I WANTED TO WELCOME YOU TO ALBUQUERQUE. I THINK PARTNERSHIPS ARE VERY IMPORTANT AND IT'S REALLY NICE TO SEE THE NEIGHBORS WILL BE WORKING WELL TOGETHER. I THINK IT'S A WIN-WIN. I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. WELCOME TO ALBUQUERQUE. COUNCILORS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THESE TWO? THANK YOU. WELCOME. ALL RIGHT. MY NEXT QUESTION IS FOR DIRECTOR WAYLEN AND THE LIGHT AT JOHN TABO AND THE BRIDGE OVER I-40 TOUTH TO CENTRAL. THEY'VE BEEN OUT FOR CLOSER TO TWO MONTHS. IT'S VERY DARK. I KNOW THERE WAS AN ACCIDENT THERE. MY QUESTIONS ARE, ARE THESE CITY-OWNED LIGHTS? WHAT'S THE HOLD UP IN GETTING THEM FIXED? IT'S A DARK -- IT'S REALLY DARK THERE. VERY DARK THERE. AND PUBLIC SAFETY IS IMPORTANT. I THINK LIGHTING IS IMPORTANT. I WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO BE A PRIORITY. IF YOU WOULD TELL ME WHAT THE UPDATE IS. I APPRECIATE IT. >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR GROUT, WE HAVE PAT MONTOYA WHO IS THE DIRECTOR THAT OVERSEES STREET MAINTENANCE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, IF I CAN JUST VERY BRIEFLY RECAP THE AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH PNM. IF YOU REMEMBER IN 2017 THE CONTRACTORS NEGOTIATED WITH -- AT THAT TIME IT WAS CITY LINK TO CONVERT ALL OF THE SODIUM LIGHTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY TO LED LIGHTS. AFTER THAT WHEN THIS ADMINISTRATION CAME IN WE FINALIZE THE CONTRACT WE HAD. WE CONVERTED 20,000 STREET LIGHTS IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. AND ANOTHER 10,000 OWNED BY PNM. OUR CONTRACT RIGHT NOW IS TO REPLACE AND REPAIR ANY OF THE LIGHTS THAT ARE OUT. AND WE HAVE ANOTHER CONTRACT OR AGREEMENT WITH PNM THAT SAYS WE CONVERTED ALL THOSE LIGHTS AT OUR EXPENSE, IN EXCHANGE WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT THAT ALLOWS YOU TO REPLACE OR REPAIR THE LIGHTS. THE AGREEMENT WAS DRAFTED ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO. AND WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF VISITING WITH PNM. THAT LEADERSHIP CHANGED A LITTLE BIT. AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY INCOLONEL THEM TO HOLD TRUE WHAT IS IN THE AGREEMENT. IF IT'S A PNM-OWNED LIGHT THEY HAVE 72 HOURS TO REPLACE IT. UNLESS THERE'S VANDALLISM WHICH IS COPPER THEFT ORIT'S KNOCKED DOWN AND THEY CAN'T GET THE POLES NESS. THE LIGHTS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE OUT FOR SOMETIME. TECHNICALLY THE LIGHTS ON THE JUAN TAB THE TRUCK THAT HIT THE BRIDGE HAD A MAJOR IMPACT ON THAT UTILITY. JUST TODAY I SENT YOU THE EMAIL THAT SHOWED THE WORK PERFORMED. WE WERE ACTUALLY DIDN'T ON PNM TO REPLACE THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WAS IN THERE BEFORE WE CAN ACTUALLY GO AND REPAIR THOSE LIGHTS. SO TO SORT OF JUST RECAP, THOSE NOW HAVE BEEN REPAIRED. AND AGAIN, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO REPLACE ANY LIGHTS OWNED BY PNM. IT'S PNM AND THEIR CREW. THEY HAVE HAD ISSUES WITH PERSONNEL. ALSO THERE'S A THREE-MAN CREW, AND WE CALL THEM WHEN THERE'S A REPORT. IT'S ON THE WEBSITE OR 311 CALL, BUT WHEN THE CALLS ARE REPORTED, OUR CREWS GO OUT AND WE HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL WE SELECTED. HIS PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY TO TAKE NOTE BEFORE THE LIGHTS ARE OUT AND REPORT THAT. THE RESPONSE IS 24-HOURS, 48 IF IT'S A KNOCK DOWN. IN THIS CASE IT TOOK LONGER THAN ANY OF US WANTED. IT WAS A PNM ISSUE OF UNDERGROUND WIRING. >>COUN. GROUT: WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO BE FIXED? >> THE POWER IS RESTORED TODAY. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY'LL BE OUT THERE TOMORROW AND POSSIBLY ON WEDNESDAY TO FINALIZE. THE LIGHTS ARE ACTUALLY -- THEY'RE JUST WAITING TO BE REPOWERED. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THE FIXTURES ABOVE GROUND. >>COUN. GROUT: THAT'S GOOD NEWS. IT'S SO DARK FOR SO LONG. >> I HAVE HEARD FROM YOU MANY TIMES. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE THAT. I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH. AND I HAVE ONE FINAL SET OF QUESTIONS AND THIS IS FOR OUR CAO. THE COMMISSION ON AMERICAN INDIAN AND ALASKA NATIVE AFFAIRS ORDINANCE SAYS THE COMMISSION HAS TO SUBMIT A REPORT EVERY YEAR. SO MY QUESTION FOR THAT ONE IS WHEN IS IT DUE? >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR GROUT, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. THROUGH THE PROCESS OF EXPLORING YOUR QUESTION I CONTINUE TO LEARN EACH TIME I GET QUESTIONS SUBMITTED. AND OUR TEAM THAT WORKS ON COMMISSIONS AND BOARDS WAS LOOKED INTO THIS. THE WATER -- FIRST QUESTION IS ABOUT THE COMMISSION ON AMERICAN INDIAN AND ALASKA NATIVE-AMERICAN AFFAIRS. THEY PRESENTED AND SUBMITTED ITS ANNUAL REPORT. WE RECEIVED IT IN FEBRUARY OF 2023 IN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE. WE FOUND TODAY BY LOOKING ADD THIS THAT IT WAS NOT POSTED AND IT DID GET POSTED TODAY. WE MADE SURE IT WAS UP. AND THE -- I'LL LET YOU ASK THE SECOND QUESTION AND I'LL ANSWER ABOUT BOTH. >>COUN. GROUT: MY NEXT QUESTION IS SIMILAR. IT'S ABOUT THE WATER PROTECTION ADVISORY BOARD. THEY'RE ALSO SUPPOSED TO HAVE ANNUAL REPORTS. AND WHEN DOES THAT BOARD MEET AND WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GET A REPORT? >> THE WATER PROTECTION -- COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR GROUT, THE WATER PROTECTION ADVISORY BOARD SUBMITTED THEIR REPORT IN MARCH OF 2023 AFTER THEIR BOARD APPROVED IT. IT HAS BEEN POSTED ON THEIR WEBSITE. SINCE THEN. I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS IN THIS PROCESS WHAT WE LEARNED IS THAT OUR ASSUMPTION THEY SUBMIT TO BOTH ADMINISTRATION AND THE COUNCIL WAS AN ASSUMPTION. TODAY, OUR STAFF WORKED WITH COUNCIL STAFF TO DETERMINE A PATH FORWARD TO ENSURE THAT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WILL SUBMIT THE REPORT IN BOTH TO THE COUNCIL AND TO THE ADMINISTRATION AND WE'LL DO THAT THROUGH A JOINT MEMO BETWEEN THE TWO STAFF TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS HOW TO DO SO. MOST OFTEN THEY DO THAT BY POSTING THAT IN A PUBLIC PLACE AND LET US KNOW IT'S BEEN COMPLETED. THIS GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO UNDERSTAND THAT WITH BOTH SIDES OF THE EQUATION TO UNDERSTAND THAT IS NOT HAPPEN. WE HAVE AN IMPROVED PROCESS. AND BOTH PLAN TO SUBMIT ON THE SAME CALENDAR-CYCLE. WE SHOULD EXPECT TO SEE THE NEW REPORT FOR THE THE NEXT YEAR, THAT WOULD BE THE CURRENT CALENDAR YEAR, THEY WOULD PROVIDE THE REPORTS IN FEBRUARY OF MARCH OF 2024. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, I NEED TO COMPLAR . >> I NEED TO CLARIFY MY ANSWER. THE CITY DID JOIN ON THE LACK OF AUTHORITY. I APOLOGIZE THERE WERE EIGHT MOTIONS AND I COULDN'T RECALL WHICH ONES WE DID JOIN AND WHICH WE ALLOWED THE PARTIES TO ARGUE WITHOUT US. WE DID JOIN THAT MOTION. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU. SO THE CITY JOINED IN OPPOSITION TO RECOGNIZING THE AIR QUALITY BOARD DID NOT HAVE JURISDICTION TO HEAR THAT RULING. ALSO, AS YOU MENTIONED BEFORE, YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE'S BEEN THIS IDEA OF VACATING AND THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER THIS PARTICULAR HEARING HAS HAD THE PROPER -- GONE THROUGH THE PROPER RULES OF NOTIFICATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND AGAIN, I THINK THE BILL RECOGNIZE THAT. THE BILLS WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH RECOGNIZE THAT THIS BOARD HAS A RESPONSIBILITY TO GO ABOUT THINGS CORRECTLY. AND THEN THEY'RE CHALLENGED ON THIS TODAY AND THEY END UP IGNORING IT IS AMAZING TO ME. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. I APPRECIATE THAT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. LET'S MOVE TO THE JOURNAL. I MOVE PROVAL -- APPROVAL OF THE NOVEMBER 20th JOURNAL. CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES ON A 9-0 VOTE. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, MA'AM. UNLESS SOMEONE OBJECTS I'D LIKE TO TAKE OUT OF ORDER. WE HAVE COMMISSIONER BACA AND DISTRICT ATTORNEY BREGMAN. THEY SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. I KNOW THEY HAVE SOMEWHERE ELSE TO BE. UNLESS THERE'S AN OBJECTION I'D LIKE TO INVITE THEM AND COME ON DOWN AND SHARE COMMENTS WHILE WE HAVE THEM. AND WE'LL PICK UP DISCUSSION ON THEIR ITEMS, UNLESS THEY WANT TO STAY WITH US. MADAM CHAIR, MR. DISTRICT ATTORNEY, COME ON DOWN IF YOU'RE SO INCLINED. WE SHOULD MAKE YOU STY UNTIL MIDNIGHT FOR OLD TIME SAKE. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, I'LL BE BRIEF. I DON'T WANT TO PROLONG ANYTHING AND I DON'T WANT TO BE HERE UNTIL MIDNIGHT. MR. PRESIDENT, I'M HERE TO ASK FOR YOUR FAVORABLE CONSIDERATION ON THE APPROPRIATION THAT WILL BE BROUGHT UP LATER. I THINK IT'S ITEM 14G. AND I WANT TO THANK VICE-PRESIDENT FOR SPEARHEADING THIS ISSUE. OBVIOUSLY AT THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WE HAVE A BUFF AOF DIFFERENT TIMES OF CRIMES WE PROSECUTE. IT'S A LOT BUT IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE ON HOW WE PROSECUTE CRIME IN A BIG WAY. I HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS LONG AND HARD, AND IT GOES BACK TO WHEN I PROSECUTED 30 YEARS IN THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. WE HAD A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE TEAM. I'D LIKE A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE TIME IT START UP. I ASK THE CITY TO HELP US WITH A PILOT PROGRAM WHICH WILL ALLOW FOR TWO PROSECUTORS AND TWO SUPPORT STAFF TO SPECIFICALLY PROSECUTE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CASES. I WANT TO GIVE YOU NUMBERS. I WANT TO SET THE EXPECTATION TO BE REALISTIC. MISDEMEANOR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CASES YEAR TO DATE ARE 2,686 WITH 804 PENDING. FELONY DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. THE WORST OF THE WORSE. TOTAL YEAR TO DATE OF 714 CASES WE'VE LOST AND THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 350 THAT NEED TO BE FINISHED. WE HAVE A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE PROBLEM IN THE COMMUNITY. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY CAN SAY WE DON'T. WE HAVE A STAFF OF ATTORNEYS IN THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE COMMITTED TO DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT. THIS SPECIFIC APPROPRIATION WILL ALLOW US TO START THE PILOT PROGRAM AND MAKE A DIFFERENCE WITH HIGHLY SPECIALIZED PROSECUTORS HELP THE SURVIVORS GET JUSTICE AND DO GOOD THINGS IN THE COMMUNITY. LASTLY, I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING. IT WAS APPROXIMATELY 27 YEARS AGO AND THIS IS JUST A STORY I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU. 27 YEARS I STAT -- SAT WHERE YOU SAT AS A CITY COUNCILLOR, AND A GROUP CAME TO ME AND THEY WANTED TO START THE SEXUAL ASSAULT EXAMINERS PROGRAM. I SPONSORED THAT AND THE COUNCIL SUPPORTED AND THE ADMINISTRATION SUPPORTED A PROGRAM THAT WAS NEW TO THE COMMUNITY. AND IN THE YEARS SINCE 1996, THERE'S BEEN 400 SURVIVORS A YEAR HELPED BY THAT PROGRAM. OVER 5,000 SURVIVORS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT HAVE BEEN HELPED. THE REASON I TELL YOU THAT STORY IS IT STARTS WITH SMALL STEPS. WHAT AN IMPACT YOU CAN HAVE. I WANT TO THANK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO EVERYTHING SINGLE DAY. I'VE BEEN IN YOUR POSITION. I KNOW HOW HARD YOUR JOB IS. FOR THOSE LEAVING CITY COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU FOR SPEARHEADING THIS. THAT WOULD FUND THROUGH THIS FISCAL YEAR. MY IDEA IS TOGETHER WITH THE CITY TO GET THE COUNTY TO BUY IN AND THE LEGISLATURE TO BUY IN AND I THINK EVENTUALLY WE CAN HAVE A MODEL PROGRAM FOR THE WHOLE STATE TO FOLLOW. THAT'S MY PITCH. THAT'S ALL I GOT. I DIDN'T EVEN SEE A RED LIGHT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO. >>COUN. DAVIS: YOU'RE WELCOME TO STICK AROUND UNTIL WE GET TO THAT. >> I'LL WATCH IT ON TV. >>COUN. DAVIS: MADAM CHAIR, WELCOME BACK. >> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR DAVIS, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK BEFORE YOU. THANK YOU FOR BUMPING ME TO THE FRONT. I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THREE POINTS CONCERNING THE ORDINANCE O-23-88 AND RESOLUTION R-23-176. ABOUT THE AIR QUALITY CONTROL BOARD WHICH IS AS YOU KNOW WE'VE HAD MUCH DISCUSSIONS. A JOINT CITY-COUNTY BOARD. FOR THE CITY AND COUNTY WORKING COOPERATIVELY WHEN WE'VE HAD ORDINANCE CREATING THIS BOARD. THESE NEW ORDINANCES CREATE A COMPACT BETWEEN OUR TWO GOVERNMENTS. I ASK THAT THE COUNCIL SUSTAIN THE VETO OF THE ORDINANCE 23-88 AND CONTINUE A COMMITMENT TO THE BILATERAL COMPACT. SECOND, I ATTENDED THE AIR QUALITY CONTROL BOARD FOR A FEW HOURS THIS MORNING AND I EXPERIENCED A PROFESSIONALLY RAN AND OPEN OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL PARTIES TO DISCUSS THESE ISSUES AND R-23-176 IMPOSES A MORATORIUM HALTING THIS QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING WHICH IS ALREADY IN PROGRESS WHICH IS A REAL CONCERN TO US AT THE COUNTY. THE RESOLUTION PLACES THE CITY COUNCIL AS THE LEGISLATIVE BODY INTERVENINGING IN THESE PROCEEDINGS. AGAIN, WE ASK THAT THE COUNCIL SUSTAIN THE VETO OF R-23-176 AND ALLOW THAT TO CONTINUE. AND FINALLY, I'D LIKE TO EXPRESS MY SUPPORT FOR COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, COUNCILOR BENTON, COUNCILOR PEÑA'S RESOLUTION. WE HAVE A MIRROR RESOLUTION THAT WE'LL CONSIDERING AT THE COUNTY NEXT WEEK WHICH CREATES A -- A WORING GROUP. WE WANT TO ROLL UP OUR SLEEVES AND WORK TOGETHER WITH OUR COLLEAGUES TO LOOK AT THIS AIR QUALITY BOARD AND MOVE FORWARD IN A POSITIVE WAY. I WILL HAVE TO SAY THAT WORKING GROUP WILL ONLY BE ABLE TO OPERATE IN GOOD FAITH IF THESE VETOES ARE SUSTAINED. IT WILL BE A DARK CLOUD OVER ANY WORKING GROUP WHEN WE GO INTO IT IF THIS IS OVERRIDDEN. I IMPLORE YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS. I END WITH MY THANK YOU TO COUNCILOR JONES, COUNCILOR DAVIS, AND COUNCILOR BENTON WHO IS MY CITY COUNCILLOR. OLD FAMILY FRIEND. HE WORKED WITH MY DAD LONG AGO ON MANY COUNCIL ISSUES WHEN HE SERVED ON CITY COUNCIL. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR BENTON HAS A COMMENT OR QUESTION. >>COUN. BENTON: MADAM CHAIR, JUST REALLY QUICKLY. I WANT TO -- NOT GET INTO A BUNCH OF THANK YOU BECAUSE IT'S MY LAST MEETING. RATHER, SPECIFICALLY WITH WHAT YOU'RE SPEAKING ABOUT. THIS IS THE WAY WE HANDLED THINGS WITH JOINT BOARDS. WE WORK TOGETHER IF SOMETHING IS BROUGHT UP WE FIX IT TOGETHER AND SO FORTH. AND I APPRECIATE THAT WE HAVE DONE A COUPLE OF INITIATIVES SINCE YOU'VE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION AND I APPRECIATE THAT. FOR INSTANCE WITH THE HOUSING COLLABORATIVE. WE DIDN'T JUST LAY OUT ONE SIDE LAY OUT SOMETHING AND THE OTHER RESPOND. WE DUG INTO THE ISSUE JOINTLY. BECAUSE IT'S A JOINT COMMUNITY ISSUE. JUST AS IS OUR ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY. WE'LL SEE HOW IT GOES. I APPRECIATE YOU COMING DOWN. ESPECIALLY SEEING YOU IN THAT SLING. I'VE HAD ABOVE AND BEYOND CALL OF DUTIES TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL FOR SOMETHING. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR BENTON. COUNCILOR LEWIS HAS A QUESTION. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. MADAM CHAIR, COMMISSIONER, THANK YOU. I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WHATEVER -- REGARDLESS OF WHAT THIS COUNCIL DOES TONIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO GET TOGETHER AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE AIR QUALITY BOARD AND THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO WANT TO ADDRESS TOGETHER AND FIX TOGETHER. I'M COMMITTED TO WORKING WITH YOU TO DO THAT. >> THANK YOU. I'M ALSO COMMITTED TO WORKING WITH ALL OF YOU. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: ONE OTHER PERSON TO CALL OUT OF ORDER. MXEEN IS THE CHAIR OF THE AIR QUALITY. BOARD SHE CAME OVER AT COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN'S REQUEST. THEY'RE GOING TO COME OFF THE PUBLIC COMMENT LIST AND DO IT FOR TWO MINUTES. SO SHE CAN GET BACK TO HER MEETING. >>COUN. LEWIS: WHY DON'T WE GET ON WITH THIS MOTION IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS? SFLDEDDED. >>COUN. DAVIS: >>COUN. LEWIS: STARTED THIS CONVERSATION, MIGHT AS WELL MAKE MOTIONS AND GET RIGHT ON. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'RE GOING TO GET THE MOTIONS ON THE AGENDA. LET'S GET THE CHAIR SPEAK. MADAM CHAIR, WELCOME. >> PRESIDENT DAVIS, CITY COUNCIL, I APPRECIATE YOU MAKING AN ACTUAL MOMENT OF TIME TO GET BACK TO OUR HEARING. I'M MAXEEN PAUL, THE CHAIR OF THE ALBUQUERQUE BERNALILLO COUNTY AIR QUALITY CONTROL BOARD. I'M HERE TO ASK YOU TO SUSTAIN THE VETO TO PRESERVE THE FORUM FOR ALL STAKEHOLDERS TO DEBATE THE ISSUES BEFORE THE BOARD. THIS WAS A TWO-YEAR PROCESS. THERE ARE 19 PARTIES. THEY HAVE PRODUCED FIVE OR SIX PROPOSED DRAFTS OR VARIATIONS. THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE RECORD. AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO PARTICIPATED, THERE ARE FOUR MORE DAYS TO HEAR THE SIGNIFICANT TECHNICAL TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE FROM ALL SIDES. MANY OF TODAY'S MOTIONS ALSO WERE DEFERRED FOR DELIBERATION. PLEASE PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF EVERYONE WHO IS ENGAGED IN THIS PROCESS AND SUSTAIN THE VETO. INDUSTRY, INSTITUTIONS, IMPACT THE COMMUNITY. SUSTAINING THEMY MAYOR'S VETO PROTECTS EVERYBODY'S OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE. THERE'S SIGNIFICANT INPUT AND INTEREST. I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU. AND TO ALLOW ME TO EXCUSE MYSELF IN ORDER TO GET BACK TO THE HEARING THAT IS GOING ON. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU. JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION. I THINK YOU HEARD TONIGHT, IF YOU'RE HERE FOR A LITTLE WHILE, OFFICIALLY THE ADMINISTRATION, THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE'S ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALLY BELIEVES THAT THE AIR QUALITY BOARD, WHICH WE CREATED, WE CREATED YOUR AIR QUALITY BOARD. THIS IS CREATED BY THIS BODY AND THIS ADMINISTRATION DISAGREES. IT DOES NOT BELIEVE YOU HAVE JURISDICTION TO HAVE A HEARING ON THIS HEEI RULE. IT IS OF THE OFFICIAL POLICY OF THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE AUTHORIZATION TO HAVE THIS HEARING. IAGE -- I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. >> I DISAGREE, CONSIDERING THE VETO. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. WE'LL GET BACK TO THE AGENDA. NEXT UP WE HAVE COMMUNICATION AND INTRODUCTIONS. ARE THERE ANY CHANGES TO THE LETTER OF INTRODUCTION? I I KNOW THERE ARE. I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR PLACING EC405. IT'S OTHERING THE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT AND DISPOSITION FOR MRA LAND AT 7200 CENTRAL AVENUE. SEVERAL SECONDS. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ I HEARD FIRST. MADAM CLERK. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES ON AN 8-0. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR PLACING R OF 91. THAT RELATES TO SELL OF A METROPOLITAN REDEVELOPMENT IN THE NOB HILL MRA CONSISTENT WITH THE PLANS. AND LOTS OF OTHER WORDS IN THE TITLE WE'LL GET TO LATER. SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. MADAM CLERK. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> PASSES ON AN 8-0 VOTE. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, R-193 I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR PLACING IT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA FOR ACTION. IT'S ADJUSTING FISCAL YEAR 2023 APPROPRIATIONS FOR CERTAIN FUNDS AND PROGRAMS TO PROVIDE FOR ACTUAL EXPENDITURE AND ADJUSTING FISCAL YEAR 2024 OPERATING GRANT AND CAPITAL OPERATIONS. >>COUN. DAVIS: MOTION AND SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. WILL THE CLERK CALL THE ROLL. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: I'M VOTING YES. AND ON THE PREVIOUS MOTION. >>COUN. DAVIS: THE CLERK WILL MODIFY THE RECORD. >>COUN. BASSAN: I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR PLACING R-195 ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. IT'S APPROPRIATING FUNDS TO THE CAPITAL IMPLEMENTATION PROGRAM FOR THE 2023 GENERAL OBLIGATION PROGRAM. >>COUN. DAVIS: SEVERAL SECONDS. CALL THE VOTE. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> PASSES ON A 9-0. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR PLACING R-198 ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. IT'S CREATING A JOINT AIR QUALITY CONTROL BOARD WORKING GROUP BETWEEN THE CITY AND COUNTY TO RECOMMEND IMPROVEMENT TO THE JOINT AIR QUALITY CONTROL BOARD. >>COUN. BENTON: SECOND. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR BENTON OFFERS A SECOND. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> PASSES ON A 9-4 -- 9-0 VOTE. >>COUN. DAVIS: I ALSO -- ALBUQUERQUE BERNALILLO COUNTY JOINT AIR QUALITY BOARD NOTED IN THE AGENDA. I MOVE THIS IF THE OTHER MOTION FAILED SPONSORED BY OTHER COUNCILORS. SECOND FROM COUNCILOR GROUT. [ ROLL CALL ] >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: NO. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES ON AN 8-1. >>COUN. DAVIS: I ALSO MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR INTRODUCING OC47 AND PLACING IT ON THE JANUARY 8 COUNCIL AGENDA FOR ACTION. THAT IS THE APPOINTMENT OF -- TO THE CIVILIAN POLICE OVERSIGHT ADVISORY BOARD. SECOND FROM COUNCILOR BASSAN. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> PASSES ON A 9-0 VOTE. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. O-96 I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR INTRODUCING O-96 AND REFERRING IT TO FINANCE AND GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS COMMITTEE. IT'S ADOPTING A NEW ARTICLE IN CHAPTER 9 OF THE REVISED ORDINANCE OF CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE TO BE KNOWN OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AIR QUALITY BOARD ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE AND AIR QUALITY PERMITTING BOARD ORDINANCE. >>COUN. DAVIS: THERE'S A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR BASSAN. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES ON A 9-0 VOTE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR PLACING EC413 AND REFERRING IT TO THE LAND USE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE. IT'S THE MAYOR'S APPOINTMENT OF MR. HALLSTEAD TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNING COMMISSION. >>COUN. DAVIS: PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> PASSES ON A 9-0 VOTE. >>COUN. GROUT: I -- >>COUN. LEWIS: I KNOW THIS IS AFTER THE FACT. IT MAY NOT BE GERMANE. WHAT COUNCIL DISTRICT WAS THAT FOR? THAT EPC. >>COUN. DAVIS: I BELIEVE THAT'S FOR COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN'S DISTRICT. >>COUN. GROUT: I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE LETTER OF INTRODUCTION. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR BASSAN. I'LL ASK THE CLERK TO CALL THE VOTE. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> PASSES ON A 9-0 VOTE. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE HAVE NO REPORTS OF COMMITTEES. HERE'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO TAKE OUR LEFT TURN FROM OUR NORMAL AGENDA. WE'RE GOING TO GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. THEN WE'LL GO TO ITEMS ON VETO AND THE RESOLUTIONS THAT GO WITH THOSE RELATE TO THE AIR QUALITY BOARD. AND I EXPECT WE'LL NEED A BREAK AND PICK UP WITH THE CONSENT AGENDA. I DO THAT ONLY BECAUSE I KNOW THERE ARE A FEW THINGS ON CONSENT BUT WE'VE GOT COUNCILORS PULLING OFF FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION. WE'LL TRY TO GET THROUGH THE AIR QUALITY BOARD FIRST. HAVING TAKEN A FEW PUBLIC COMMENTERS. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO PICK UP WITH MR. HEATH. WHILE YOU -- CALL THE FIRST FOLKS AND I'LL REMIND THE RULES. >> FIRST SPEAKER IS JEFF FOLLOWED BY PEGGY. >>COUN. DAVIS: WHILE THEY'RE COMING DOWN, I REMIND YOU, IF HE CALLS YOU COME ON DOWN. TAKE ONE OF THE FIRST SEATS SO WE KNOW YOU'RE HERE AND ARE READY TO GO. AS A REMINDER YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES. YOU NEED NOT USE IT. YOU CAN SAY WHAT SHE SAID OR YOU'RE WELCOME TO GIVE YOUR CALMS. THERE'S NO APPLAUSE. THERE'S NO COMMENTS FROM THE GALLERY. SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND COUNCILORS CAN HEAR THE COMMENTS. COUNCILORS ARE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS OF THE SPEAKERS IF THEY SO CHOOSE. AND IF THERE'S ANY DISRUPTIONS WE'LL GO BACK TO OUR RULES ANNOUNCED EARLIER. >> THANK YOU. MR. PRESIDENT, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, I'M JEFF. I REPRESENT SANDIA NATIONAL LABORATORIES. IT'S AN EMPLOYER OF OVER 12,000 PEOPLE IN NEW MEXICO WITH A MULTI-BILLION IMPACT. WE STAND IN SUPPORT OF MEASURES THAT ADDRESS FAIR AND OPEN PROCESS OF THE ALBUQUERQUE BERNALILLO COUNTY AIR QUALITY BOARD. SANDIA STRONGLY BELIEVES BEING A GOOD STEWARD OF THE ENVIRONMENT. AND WE'RE CHAMPIONING CLEAN ENERGY INCLUDING THE ABILITY TO WORK TOWARD NET ZERO EMEGZ. WE HAVE DEEP CONCERNS ABOUT THE WORK BEING PROPOSED BY THE AIR BOARD AS IT IMPACTS OUR COMMISSION. DUE THE VAGUENESS AND LACK OF TIFFIC BASE OUR INABILITY TO MEET DEADLINES WHICH WOULD BE CRITICAL TO THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY AND DEFENSE WOULD BE COMPROMISED BY THE EARN CERTAINTY IN OBTAINING OTHERWISE ROUTINE AIR PERMITS. THE PROCESS OF THE AIR BOARD HAS BEEN SEVERELY FLAWED. THERE WAS NO STAKEHOLDER INPUT WHEN THE RULE WAS PROPOSED NOT EVEN THE CITY'S OWN AIR PROGRAM WAS CONSULATED ABILITY FEASIBILITY. THE RULE IS DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT THAN ORIGINALLY PUBLISHED. IN FACT, VERSIONS TWO, THREE, FIVE AND SIX WERE NEVER MADE PUBLIC. WHEN SANDIA'S CONCERNS WERE CONVEYED THE BOARD CALLED THEM A DISTRACTIONS. WE BELIEVE THE PROPOSED RULE IS ILLEGAL. PRACTICALLY INFEASIBLE, LACKS SCIENTIFIC AND TECHNICAL BASIS AND WILL LIKELY BE OVERTURNED IN COURT. IF PASSED AS WRITTEN THE RULE WILL NOT CONTROL OR ABATE AIR POLLUTION. FOR THESE REASONS THE LABORATORY ASKS FOR YOUR SUPPORT ON MEASURES THAT CREATE A FAIR AND OPEN PROCESS INCLUDED IN ORDINANCE 88 AND RESOLUTION 176. >>COUN. GROUT: I HAVE A QUESTION. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THANK YOU, FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. YOU MENTIONED THE AIR QUALITY BOARD PROPOSED RULE IS ILLEGAL INFEASIBLE AND LACKS SCIENTIFIC IN TECHNICAL BASIS. YOU ALSO MENTIONED THE PROPOSAL WILL NOT CONTROL OR ABATE AIR POLLUTION IN THE CITY OR COUNTY. GIVEN YOUR TECHNICAL EXPERTISE IN NATIONAL LABORATORY OPERATIONS. CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT ASPECT? >> THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. IN REGARD TO THE RULES IMPACT ON AIR POLLUTION UNDER THE CLEAN AIR ACT THE POLLUTE WANTS OF CONCERN THAT NEGATIVELY IMPACT ALBUQUERQUE ARE OZONE AND PARTICULATE MATTER. THESE AIR PERMITS IS DESIGNED TO STOP. IF A LARGE CHURCHES WANT TO BUT A BOILER OR IF A SMALL BUSINESS WANTS TO PERMIT A FOR -- A LOT OF DUST COMES FROM THE WIND. OZONE PRIMARILY DERIVES FROM VEHICLE WHICH ARE MOBILE RATHER THAN STATIONARY SOURCES. AND WE GET OZONE PRECURSORS FROM MEXO. BECAUSE THE RULE DOESN'T ADDRESS MOBILE SERVICES AIR QUALITY WON'T BE SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVED. THE PROPOSED RULE LACKS SCIENTIFIC AND TECHNICAL BASIS. NO STUDIES HAVE BEEN PERFORMED TO IDENTIFY THE MOST VULNERABLE COMMUNITIES WITH RESPECT TO AIR QUALITIES. PETITIONERS MADE UP THE DEFINITION FOR OVERBURDENED COMMUNITIES AND APPLIED THAT DEFINITION TO THE ENTIRE CITY AND COUNTY. THE DEFINITION OF IS SO BROAD IT WILL STOP NEW AIR PERMITS IN NEARLY THE ENTIRE COUNTY. EVEN BUSINESSES THAT ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH AIR STANDARDS WON'T BE ABLE TO GET ROUTINE PERMITS. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR BASSAN AND COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. CAN YOU TELL ME IF THIS WERE TO NOT BE OVERRIDDEN, AND IT WERE SUSTAINED. HOW DO YOU SEE IT AFFECTING SANDIA LABS AT THE VERY LEAST? HOW WOULD IT AFFECT YOUR OPERATIONS? >> AS I MENTIONED, WE'VE GOT 12,000 EMPLOYEES. WE HAVE A $4.6 BILLION ECONOMIC IMPACT TO THE STATE. AND THE LABORATORY BRINGS IN. WE SEE THIS TO BE UP TO A THREE-YEAR DELAY TO GET PERMITS. WE ALSO LOOK AT THINGS FROM THE STANDPOINT OF OUR ABILITY TO EXECUTE FOR THE TAXPAYER. WE SEE THAT PREDICTABILITY DECREASING SIGNIFICANTLY AS A RESULT OF THIS RULE. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. I JUST KNOW THAT CAO IS BUSY TOO. I WANT TO ASK THE ADMINISTRATION. I'LL SAY A LITTLE BIT AND RECAP. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. IT SAID 12,000 EMPLOYEES, $4.6 BILLION, THREE-YEAR POTENTIAL DELAY. AND COSTING TAXPAYERS TIME AND MONEY TOO FROM THE RECEDING OF THE BENEFITS JUST FOR THIS ONE ORGANIZATION AND BUSINESS. WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ON THAT? THAT'S MASSIVE FOR ONE BUSINESS WE'RE NOT SAYING WE'RE GETTING RID OF THE AIR QUALITY BOARD. THAT'S NOT WHAT THAT BILL DOES. IS THE ADMINISTRATION STILL STICKING BY THAT WHEN THERE'S 12,000 EMPLOYEES, $4.6 BILLION OF BUSINESS, THREE-YEAR POTENTIAL DELAY AND TAXPAYERS THAT CAN SUFFER FROM IT AS WELL? >> PRESIDENT DAVIS, COUNCILOR BASSAN, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE'RE CLEAR FROM THE ADMINISTRATION'S STANDPOINT THAT WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE CURRENT PETITION AS IT'S WRIT SKWN STATED THAT ON THE RECORD. WE HAVE THOSE CONCERNS. AND WE HAVE CONSISTENTLY SAID WE BELIEVE THE ISSUE IS NOT ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THIS PETITION IS AS WRITTEN SHOULD BE PASSED. OUR CONCERN IS BASED UPON THE ACTIONS AND THAT WE BELIEVE THE PROCESS SHOULD MOVE FORWARD AS WE -- AS IT IS. SO WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE ACTION TO MOVE FORWARD BASED ON ACTIONS TAKEN. >>COUN. LEWIS: MR. PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. THE ADMINISTRATION IS NOT GOING TO TAKE ANY ACTION REGARDING THIS. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ACTION TONIGHT ON IT. MR. HEATH, I HAVE TO SAY THANK YOU. YOU HAVE OUR 100% ATTENTION. I THINK IT'S REMARKABLE WHAT YOU SAID. IT'S REMARKABLE WHO YOU REPRESENT AND THE JOBS YOU REPRESENT IN THE CITY. I CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH. AND THE APPRECIATION OF THIS BOARD AND WHAT WE DO TONIGHT, I HOPE WHAT WE DO HELPS YOU TREMENDOUSLY. AND WE REMOVE ANY BARRIER YOU MIGHT HAVE IN ACCOMPLISHING YOUR MISSION. >> THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: NEXT. OH, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, MY APOLOGIES. >> THANK YOU BEING HERE. I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY THE GREATEST THREAT THAT OUR CITY HAS ACTUALLY INVOLVED IN AND THAT'S LOSING THE BASE AND/OR KIRTLAND BASE OR ALSO SANDIA LABS. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT I JUST HAVE A FEW FACTS THAT I WOULD WANT TO BRING UP. YOU SAID THAT WE HAVE A TOTAL OF $4.6 BILLION ECONOMIC IMPACT WITH THE STATE. HOW MUCH MONEY DOES THAT BREAK DOWN INTO YOUR BASIC CONTRACTORS? IF YOU HAVE TO BREAK IT DOWN TO INDIVIDUALS THAT CONTRACT WITH YOU? >> SURE. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. I APPRECIATE THAT. NEW MEXICO BUSINESSES, THIS IS BIG AND SMALL, RECEIVED $592 MILLION AND THE EMPLOYEES RECEIVED $1.6 BILLION. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. AND HOW MANY OF THESE EMPLOYEES THAT WE HAVE HERE IN TOWN HAVE ADVANCED DEGREES? >> I'D HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I'M LOOKING AT THIS AND THIS WAS PROVIDED TO ME. IT'S NATIONAL SECURITY COMPLEX AND I'M GOING OFF OF THIS. WHAT THIS IS SAYING IS THAT TOTAL SMALL BUSINESS IS$838 MILLIONTHAT -- THAT IS GENERATED OFF THE BASE ITSELF. SUBCONTRACTORS ARE $1.3 BILLION. AND THE AMOUNT OF TAXES THAT I'M SEEING, AND THIS IS 2021 BOOKLET, WE'RE LOOKING AT $112 MILLION WORTH OF TAX BASE TO OUR ECONOMY AND CITIZENS OF ALBUQUERQUE. THAT'S A LOT I'M ALSO NOTICING THAT YOU HAVE 7,441 ADVANCED DEGREES. THESE ARE WELL-PAGED INDIVIDUALS THAT CONTRIBUTE TO OUR CITY AND LIVELYHEAD OF OUR CITY. WE ALSO HAVE 7,778 SCIENTISTS ENGINEERS AND TECHNOLOGY EMPLOYEES CONTRIBUTING TO THE ECONOMY. AND FOR US TO FACE THIS KIND OF THREAT, YOU ARE PROBABLY THE LARGEST EMPLOYER. YOU AND KIRTLAND AIR FORCE BASE, IN THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO. AND FOR US TO BE DEALING WITH THAT KIND OF THREAT IS A NO-BRAINER TO ME THAT IF THIS IS GOING TO AFFECT YOU WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE TAKE ACTION SO YOU CAN MAKE SURE YOU'RE ABLE TO CONTINUE THIS TYPE OF ECONOMIC IMPACT TO OUR CITY. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT. >> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. SANDIA NATIONAL LABS ISN'T PARTY IN THE CASE BEING HEARD THIS WEEK AT THE AIR QUALITY CONTROL BOARD? >> YES, WE ARE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YOU HAVE EXPERT WITNESSES AND TESTIMONY? >> YES, WE WILL. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THAT CASE JUST OPENED AT 2:30 THIS AFTERNOON? >> FAIR ENOUGH. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RESULTS OF THE HEARING WOULD BE. ALL OF THE CONCERN YOU HAVE IS IF THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL PUT IN SIX MONTHS AGO WAS ADOPTED AS IS. THAT'S THE CONCERN YOU'RE ADDRESSING? >> THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. THE CONCERN WE'RE TRYING TO GET AFTER IS THERE WAS NO PUBLIC INPUT. THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ASSESS RELATED TO THIS AIR QUALITY BOARD LACKS THE SCIENTIFIC AND TECHNICAL BASIS TO MAKE THE DECISIONS. WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS FOR THE BOARD TO STEP BACK, VETO THIS, RELOOK AT THIS PROCESS, AND DETERMINE WHETHER THIS IS GOING TO BE BEST ECONOMIC THING FOR THE CITY AND COUNTY AND WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET THE BENEFIT FROM AN AIR QUALITY IMPROVEMENT STANDPOINT THAT THE ECONOMIC COSTS INCLUDE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I ASSUME YOUR EXPERT WITNESSES WILL PROVIDE EXPERT TESTIMONY. I WILL ASSUME YOU HAVE INPUT BASED ON SCIENTIFIC BASIS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE ARE EXPERTS BEING CALLED UPON TO PROVIDE THAT TESTIMONY AT THE HEARING THAT STARTED TODAY. I THINK EVERYONE THAT IS A MEMBER OF ONE OF THE BUSINESSES OR ENTITIES PARTY TO THIS CASE WILL HAVE A FULL HEARING. IS THAT NOT YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PUT ON EXPERT TESTIMONY AND HAVE EXPERTS TEAK TO THE AIR QUALITY BOARD ABOUT THE PROPOSALS? >> WE BELIEVE WE WILL BE HEARD. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE HAVE TO MOVE ON. >> THANK YOU FOR PARTICIPAING IN THAT. I APOLOGIZE YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT. YOU HAVE TO SPEND TIME AND RESOURCES OUT OF YOUR WEEK TO DO THAT. I APOLOGIZE TO YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. >> THANK YOU. >> OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS PEGGY FOLLOWED BY MIKA. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCILOR DAVIS, AND CITY COUNCILLORS. I AM THE PRESIDENT OF COMPLETE ADVERTISING AND MARKETING. WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS 28 YEARS. I'VE BEEN IN ADVERTISING FOR A VERY LONG TIME BEFORE. I HAVE PLACED MEDIA WITH MY STAFF IN 48 OUT OF 50 STATES. IN ALBUQUERQUE, I BUY AN AVERAGE OF 23 BUS PANELS. ON THE BACK OF THE BUSES WITH NO WINDOWS. THESE ADS PROMOTE 46 LOCAL REAL ESTATE AGENTS, THEY'RE PEOPLE THAT HAVE EITHER SEEN THE ADS AND HAVE BOUGHT A HOME THROUGH ONE OF THE REALTORS. OR THEY HAVE LISTED THEIR HOME WITH THEM TO SELL. IT'S ONLY FROM SEEING THEM ON THE BUSES. EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE OTHER MEDIUMS. SINCE 2015 I HAVE PAID OVER $214,000 PLUS THE GROSS RECEIPTS TAX TO LAMAR TRANSIT AND THEY SHARED THIS WITH THE CITY THAT BENEFITS FROM THE ADVERTISING INCOME FROM ALL THE BUSES. I AM A SMALL BUYER FOR THESE 23 BACK PANELS AND AS YOU KNOW THERE'S THE SIDE PANELS THAT COST MORE AND THERE'S PLENTY OF PEOPLE ADVERTISING ON THE BUSES. I WOULD LIKE YOU TO VOTE NO ON THE BILL AMENDMENT R-23-184. LOCAL ADVERTISING ON BUSES GOES AWAY, THERE ARE MANY MORE WAYS TO ADVERTISE. IF YOU DECIDE TO REINSTATE THE PROGRAM LATER, THERE MAY BE MORE EFFICIENT WAYS OF ADVERTISING WHEN YOU REDECIDE. IT REALLY HELPS AND IMPACTS LOCAL ADVERTISERS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> MIKA FOLLOWED BY BARBARA. >> HELLO, THANK YOU. I WANT TO START BY SAYING I'M A LONG-TERM RESIDENT. 43 YEARS OF THE ALBUQUERQUE METRO AREA. LIVED HERE, WORKED HERE AND DONE QUITE A BIT HERE. I REALLY LOVE BEING HERE. I JUMPED ON THIS WEP -- WHEN I SEE YOU HAVE A STUDY SESSION FOR THE GATEWAY CENTER. AND THE GATEWAY CENTER IS A PROBLEM IN REGARD TO WHO IT'S GOING TO HELP EXACTLY. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HOMELESSNESS AND TRANSIENCE. HOMELESS PEOPLE NEED HELP, WANT HELP, NEED IT. THEY HAVE BEEN IN A HOME BEFORE. TRANSIENTS OFTENTIMES DO NOT LOOK UP TO GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS WITH ANY SORT OF PRIDE. THEY DON'T LIKE BEING WATCHED, MONITORED, OR GIVEN UP THEIR I.D., SO PEOPLE LIKE THAT ARE GOING TO BE THE PROBLEM REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE GATEWAY CENTER DOES. THE GATEWAY CENTER HAD ITS PROBLEMS. AND I REALLY DON'T SEE IT TAKING ANY SORT OF EFFECT BEFORE MAYBE ANOTHER BOARD IS BROUGHT OUT HERE BY THAT TIME. ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK WE NEED TO DO, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE INPUT FROM APD AND SEEING WHAT THEY THINK IS GOING OUT THERE WITH THE SHUT DOWN OF CORONADO PARK. I BELIEVE CORONADO PARK NEEDS TO BE REOPENED AND IT NEEDS TO BE TREATED AS AN SOS. WHEN MAYOR KELLER SHUT IT DOWN LAST AUGUST HE DID LEAVE IT OPEN FOR FURTHER USE OF SOME KIND. HE HASN'T SAID WHAT. THERE ISN'T ANYTHING DONE ASIDE FROM HAVING POLICE OFFICERS CRUISING THROUGH TO MAKE SURE NO ONE STAYED THERE. I BELIEVE WE NEED TO OPEN IT BACK UP AND AT LEAST HAVE SOME SORT OF TRIAL BASIS. WHAT WE'VE DONE RIGHT NOW IS GONE UP TO A CAMP FIRE AND KICKED IT. AND THROWN THE EMBERS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. THROUGHOUT THE CITY WE'RE SEEING PROBLEMS, TRANSIENT PROBLEMS OVER AND OVER AGAIN. DUMPSTERES SET ON FIRE. PEOPLE BEING HARASSED IN OUR TOURIST DISTRICT. I ASK THE COUNCIL PLEASE ON WEDNESDAY TO TAKE GOOD LOOK AT THE GATEWAY CENTER AND DECIDE WHO IS GOING TO BE SERVED. THANK YOU. >> BARBARA FOLLOWED BY JEROME. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I'M HERE FOR MY MYSELF TONIGHT. 25 YEARS OF WORKING FOR THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE AND MANY OF THEM WORKING WITH RETIRING COUNCILORS. A COMBINED EXPERIENCE OF 42 YEARS OF INSTITUTIONAL MEMORY. AND EXPERIENCE LEAVING THE BUILDING. AND THEY DESERVE THE RETIREMENT THEY WORKED HARD, BLESS THEM, AND IT WAS MY PRIVILEGE TO -- AND PLEASURE, TO WORK WITH COUNCILOR BENTON AND COUNCILOR DAVIS AND COUNCILOR JONES AND SO I'M HERE TONIGHT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. THANK YOU. >> JANELLE FOLLOWED BY XAVIER. >> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR DAVIS. I'M A FIFTH GENERATION NEW MEXICAN. 40 YEARS IN LOS RANCHOS. ALBUQUERQUE IS THE ROOT OF OUR EXISTENCE. IT WILL ALWAYS MATTER TO OUR FAMILY. I WANT TO THANK 42 YEARS PLEASE THREE COUNCILORS HAVE DONE A LOT OFLIPPING LISTENING AND SITTING. I SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC SERVICE. AND TONIGHT OUR FAMILY WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND SPECIAL RECOGNITION AND THANKS TO TRUDY JONES. VERY FEW KNOW TRUDJ'S ORIGIN STORY. FEAR IS NOT IN HER HAVE A CAB LAER. I'VE KNOWN HER SINCE THE 1980s. NEW MEXICO SHOULD CONSIDER THEMSELVES LUCKY THAT SHE CHOSE TO GIVE HER TALENTS IN THE SOUTHWEST. I WORKED WITH HER AND ASIDE FROM HER AND WITH MY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS I SAT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE. IN ALL OF THOSE TIMES NOT ONCE DID I DOUBT HER INTEGRITY OR ABILITY TO MAKE WELL-INFORMED DECISIONS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE ALBUQUERQUE COMMUNITY. TRUDY THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT INTEGRITY AND YOUR INSTANCE OF STRONG DECORUM AND MUTUAL RESPECT TO CITY COUNCIL. WISHING YOU AND JOHN HAPPY TRAILS. WELL DONE. >> XAVIER FOLLOWED BY RICHARD. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIRS. YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR MANY OF US TO SIT HERE AND BE TOLD THAT WE'RE GIVEN TWO MINUTES AND YOU HAVE PARTICULAR COUNTERS AND INTERRUPT ANY AGENDA AND INSERT ANYTHING THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT. THIS EVENING THE DECISION IS GOING TO BE MADE ON ONE SIDE OF CIVIC PLAZA, THERE'S ANOTHER HEARING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF CIVIC PLAZA. WE'RE AWARE OF THAT. AND THE RIGHT FOR MANY OF US TO BE ABLE TO PETITION FOR A HEARING, IT WILL BE UNJUST ON THE PART OF THIS COUNCIL TO MOVE TO OVERRIDE THE MAYOR'S VETO. SOME OF YOU STATED THIS EVENING THAT YOU HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO PUBLIC COMMENT AND ON THIS COUNCIL FOR MANY YEARS. I WILL TELL YOU MYSELF AND MANY OTHERS HAVE ALSO TESTIFIED IN FRONT OF THE CITY COUNCIL BEFORE THE MAYOR SYSTEM WAS PUT IN PLACE. WE'VE KEPT THE FIGHT IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL AND TESTIFIED IN FRONT OF THE COUNTY COMMISSION AND TESTIFIED AT THE LEGISLATURE AND ONE OF THE PRIMARY THINGS WE'VE ASKED FOR IS OUR RIGHT TO HAVE A HEARING. AND THAT'S WHAT IS TAKING PLACE TODAY. IF YOU TAKE THAT RIGHT FROM US TO HAVE A HEARING UNDER THE NAME THAT YOU'RE NOT REPRESENTING A PARTICULAR SELF-INTEREST, THEN WHY DON'T YOU ALLOW. THAT HAS TAKEN OUR COMMUNITY TO LOCATE IN YOUR BACKYARD. THAT CAN BE ANYONE OF YOU. WE'LL BE BACK. WE'LL DEFINITELY CONTINUE. AND WHATEVER DECISION IS MADE, WE HOPE THE FOUR THAT VOTED AGAINST THE RESOLUTION WILL MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF VOTING AGAINST THE VETO TO OVERRIDE THE VETO. >> TAD FOLLOWED BY MILO. >> THANK YOU. NOW, LET ME BEGIN THIS WAY. THURSDAY MORNING LAST WEEK, EUBANK AND CENTRAL, GOING EAST ON CENTRAL ABOUT 8 O'CLOCK. APPROACHING EUBANK I NOTICED TWO CARS AND SEE -- UNIT. ONLY ONE CAR. ON THE OTHER HAND, YESTERDAY MORNING, SUNDAY, AT THE PARKING LOT AT CASINO. CAR WAS PULLED OVER. YOUNG LADY. AND THERE WAS LATER WE FOUND OUT WHAT STOLEN. SO, THERE WAS SEVEN CARS YESTERDAY. WHAT IS TRAINING? ONE ON THE EAST SIDE. AND THAT'S IT. WHAT'S TRAINING? HOW TRAINED ARE OUR COPS? WHERE ARE THEY WEP -- WHEN THEY NEED IT? [ INAUDIBLE ] TRUE STORY. ALREADY BROKEN. WHERE IS CITY COPS? THEY NEED TO STOP CRIMINAL ON THE STREETS. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: WHILE YOU'RE HERE. DID THAT ISSUE IN YOUR ALLEY EVER GET RESOLVED. I HAPPEN -- YOU ASKED ABOUT PEOPLE LIVING IN YOUR ALLEY, DID THEY FIX THAT? >> YES. IT'S BIGGER PROBLEM. OKAY. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'LL HELP YOU WITH THAT. CAN I ASK A FAVOR? I KNOW APD AND COMMUNITY SAFETY RESPONDED. WOULD SOMEBODY GET THAT ADDRESS AND SEE IF WE CAN FOLLOW UP. I KNOW THAT'S AN ONGOING ISSUE AND HE'S BEEN ASKING FOR HELP. BE SURE TO TALK TO HER AND WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN GET SOMEBODY TO HELP YOU WITH TAT. -- THAT. THAT'LL GET SOMEBODY TO LOOK AT THAT FOR YOU. WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON THAT. >> MILO FORMED BY SHERMAN. >> GOOD EVENING, ALBUQUERQUE CITY COUNCILLORS. I'M SPEAKING TO YOU AS A LIFELONG CITIZEN OF ALBUQUERQUE. I'M STAN STANDING IN SOLIDARITY WITH THE PEOPLE OF GAZA. I ASK YOU TO STAND IN POSITION OF MORAL CLARITY. OVER 16,000 CITIZENS HAVE BEEN KILLED IN TWO MONTHS. THOUSANDS MORE ARE DEAD OR MISSING UNDER THE RUBBLE. THIS IS DONE IN THE NAME OF JEWISH SAFETY. I CAN TELL YOU AS A JEWISH PERSON THAT THIS IS A LIE. IS THERE NO SAFETY THAT COMES FROM VIOLENCE. AND COUNCILORS, THE ISRAELI VIOLENCE IN GAZA WILL BEGET FURTHER VIOLENCE UNTIL THE OCCUPATION ENDS THERE WILL BE NO SAFETY FOR ANYBODY. THE BRUTAL CAMPAIGN IN GAZA'S ONLY POSSIBLE THROUGH THE FINANCIAL AND MILITARY SUPPORT OF OUR COUNTRY THE UNITED STATES. I'M ASKING THIS COUNCIL TO DO WHAT LEADERS IN WASHINGTON, D.C. HAVE FAILED TO DO. AND CALL PUBLICLY FOR A PERMANENT CEASE FIRE IN THE CURRENT CONFLICT IN GAZA. OTHER CITIES HAVE PASSED SIMILAR RESOLUTIONS. YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO FOLLOW SUIT AND STAND ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY. I'M ALSO FOR ASKING FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF THE IMMEDIATE TERMINATION BETWEEN THE SISTER CITY PARTNERSHIPS BETWEEN ALBUQUERQUE AND THE ISRAELI CITY. JUST AS ALBUQUERQUE WAS BUILD ON THE LANDS OF DISPLACED PEOPLE, IT SITS ON THE SITE OF THE PALESTINIAN VILLAGES. AND THESE VILLAGES WERE ETHNICALLY CLEANSED AND DESTROYED IN 19D 48. OUR CITY IS CONTINUING TO RECKON WITH ITS OWN LEGACY OF SETTLER COLONIALISM AND WE OPPOSE OCCUPATION OR DISPLACEMENT WHEREVER IT OCCURS. CITY COUNCIL YOUR CONSTITUENTS WILL REMEMBER YOU ON THIS ISSUE. I IMPLORE TO CHOOSE MORAL CLARITY. >> SHERMAN FOLLOWED BY RHIANNON. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THE AIR QUALITY BOARD CREATED BY THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE AND BERNALILLO COUNTY HAS A STRUCTURE AND AN ATONMOUS PROCESS FOR RULE MAKING. VERY SIMILAR TO THE BASE REALIGNMENT COMMISSION. THE TIMELESS PROCESS CREATED BY CONGRESS IN 1995. IN 1995 THE BASE PROCESS ALMOST DISMEMBERED KIRTLAND AIR FORCE BASE. ONLY AFTER SEVERAL MONTHS AND THOUSANDS OF MAN HOURS WAS THAT PROCESS DEEMED TO BE FLAWED. IN TERMS OF -- IT SEEMED TO BE FLAWED IN TERMS OF KIRTLAND AIR FORCE BASE. BECAUSE OF THAT DECISION MANY THOUSANDS OF QUALITY INSIDE THE DEFENSE JOBS WERE SAVED. THE 1995 EFFORT REQUIRED LEADERSHIP OF THE NEW MEXICO CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION TO STOP THAT PROCESS. AS ONE OF THE SIX VOLUNTEERS WHO CREATED THE WORKING DOCUMENT USED BY OUR CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION, I FEAR GREATLY FOR THE 24,000 JOBS THAT CURRENTLY EXIST INSIDE THE FENCE ON KIRTLAND BECAUSE OF THE STRUCTURE AND METHODOLOGY OF THE CURRENT AIR QUALITY BOARD. KIRTLAND IN REALITY IS A NATIONAL SECURITY COMPLEX MUCH MORE THAN AN AIR FORCE BASE. SANDIA NATIONAL LABORATORIES, NATIONAL NUCLEAR SECURITY ADMINISTRATION, THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY, SPACE CAPABILITY OFFICE, DEFENSE THREAT REDUCTION AGENCY AND DOZENS OF OTHER FEDERAL SECURITY AGENCIES IN OPERATIONS EXIST ON KIRTLAND. OVER 24,000 JOBS INSIDE DEFENSE AND 24,000 CONTRACTOR JOBS OUTSIDE DEFENSE. WITH THE TOTAL IMPACT OF $7.4 BILLION. TO BE CLEAR, THE AIR QUALITY BOARD HAS PROPOSED A RULE WITHOUT PRIOR STAKEHOLDER INVOLVEMENT. WITHOUT -- >>COUN. DAVIS: FINISH THAT THOUGHT. >> THE STRUCTURE AND METHODOLOGY OF THE CURRENT AIR QUALITY BOARD CLEARLY LACKS DISCIPLINE, LACKS OF OBJECTIVITY, LACKS REQUIRED STAKEHOLDER DATA PRIOR TO RURAL PROPOSAL AND IS NOT ACCEPTED ON PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS. I PLEAD PLEASE STOP THE PROCESS. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. I KNOW THAT -- I'VE BEEN AROUND THE CITY FOR A LONG TIME. AND I REMEMBER YOU YEARS AND YEARS AGO WHEN WE WOULD GO OUT AND DO GROUNDBREAKING AND DIFFERENT THINGS AT THE SANDIA SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY PARK. CAN YOU BRIEFLY EXPLAIN THE SANDIA SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY PARK AND HOW IT BENEFITS THE ACTUAL BASE OPERATIONS? AND KIRTLAND AND ALSO SANDIA? >> MR. CHAIRMAN, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, THE SANDIA SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY PARK IS EAST OF THE KIRTLAND AIR FORCE BASE GATE. WHICH IS A FORMER CITY LANDFILL. IN THE LATE '90s, MYSELF AND A COUPLE OF OTHER PEOPLE AS VOLUNTEERS WORKED WITH THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE TO CREATE THE SANDIA SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY PARK. BECAUSE THERE NEEDED TO BE CONTRACTORS WHO COULD BE CLOSER TO THEIR MISSION PARTNERS INSIDE DEFENSE. THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE WAS A WILLING PARTNER IMPROVED SOUTH EUBANK TO SIX LANES. PUT IN 108-INCH DRAINAGE DIJ THAT FLOWS TO TIJERAS. AS A RESULT OF ALL OF THE PARTNERS AND THE LEADERSHIP OF THE CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION THERE'S 2,500 JOBS IN THE PARK WITH AN AVERAGE SALARY OF $98,500. IT'S A TRUE ECONOMIC BASE FOR THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. I JUST HAVE ONE MORE QUICK QUESTION. BASED ON YOUR HISTORY, AND BEING INVOLVED IN THIS KIND OF SCENARIO, HOW MANY ISSUES HAVE YOU EVER RUN INTO WHERE THE CITY LEADERSHIP AND THE MAYOR WOULD BE IN A SITUATION WHERE HE WOULD ACTUALLY CAUSE A THREAT TO HAPPEN TO THIS ORGANIZATION, THE GROUP, ALL THESE FOLKS? HAS IT EVER HAPPENED BEFORE OR HAVE ALL OF THE MAYORS IN THE PAST BEEN SUPPORTIVE OF THE BASE AND SANDIA LAB'S MISSION? >> I BELIEVE WHEN THE AIR QUALITY BOARD WAS CREATED EVERYBODY OPERATED IN GOOD FAITH. JUST AS WHEN CONGRESS CREATED THE BRAC. CONGRESS OPERATED IN GOOD FAITH. YOU CAN OPERATE IN GOOD FAITH AND THE RESULT MAY TURN OUT TO BE A FLAWED PROCESS. AND FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, LOOKING BACK 28 YEARS TO THAT PROCESS, AND SEEING THIS STRUCTURE PROCESS, I THINK THAT ALL OF THOSE GOOD INTENTIONS ENDED UP WITH A FLAWED PROCESS. I THINK IT'S INCUMBENT UPON EVERYBODY TO COME TOGETHER AND SAY IT. EVEN THOUGH WE ACTED IN GOOD FAITH, WE NEED TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND LOOK AT IT AGAIN FROM A FRESH START. AND SO, THE PROCESS AS I UNDERSTOOD FROM THE CITY WAS SAYING WE RECOGNIZE AND RESPECT THE PRIOR PROCESS AND SO WE'RE GOING TO VETO THIS. THE PROCESS SOME PEOPLE -- I'LL SAY THE PROCESS IS UNFULFILLED BECAUSE THE HEARING IS THIS WEEK. NEVERTHELESS, THE PROCESS LACKED PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS TO GET TO WHERE WE ARE THIS WEEK. THAT IS A PROBLEM THAT MUST BE RECOGNIZED. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. >> RHIANNOB FOLLOWED BY BECKS. >> HELLO, REPRESENTING NA-OP. LATER TONIGHT YOU'LL URGE YOU TO OVERRIDE THE TWO VETOES. I'LL SAVE THAT COMMENTARY FOR LATER. I WANT TO TAKE THIS TIME FOR TO EXTEND MY GRATITUDE FOR COUNCILOR DAVIS AND COUNCILOR JONES AND COUNCILOR BENTON. FOR THEIR INVALUABLE SERVICE TO THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT YOUR TIRELESS COMMITMENT AND DEDICATION HAS GREATLY ENRICHED OUR CITY. WHILE WE MAY NOT HAVE AGREED ON EVERYTHING, I APPRECIATE WE SPENT MOST OF OUR TIME FINDING THE AREAS WHERE WE DID AGREE, AT THE END OF THE DAY WE HELD THE SAME GOAL MAKING OUR COMMUNITY A BETTER PLACE FOR ALL. EACH OF YOU WILL BE MISSED. I'M SINCERELY GRATEFUL FOR EACH OF YOU AND YOUR PUBLIC SERVICE. THANKS. >> BECKS FOLLOWED BY BARBARA. BARBARA FOLLOWED BY THOMAS. >> COUNCILORS, COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR GROUT, AS MUCH AS I APPRECIATE THE SERVICE OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LEAVING, INCLUDING MY LONG-TERM REPRESENTATIVE IKE BENTON, I HAVE TO SAY THAT SITTING AND WATCHING THE BEHAIOR THESE EX PARTS -- EXPERTS READING PRE-PRAYERED PRE-PREPARED AND ANSWERS WHY ESTEEMED COLLEAGUES IS QUITE SHOCKING TO ME. I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE CITIZENS WHO CARE ABOUT OUR AIR QUALITY AND OUR NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE BEEN BREATHING BAD AIR IN PARTICULAR PLACES LIKE THE MOUNTAIN VIEW NEIGHBORHOOD BE GIVEN THE SAME RESPECT, COURTESY, AND QUESTION AND ANSWERS FROM YOU ALL THAT DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ASK OF US AND ALLOW THESE PEOPLE TO BE GIVING PREPARED ANSWERS TO YOUR PREPARED QUESTIONS. IT'S REALLY SAD AND SHOCKING. I HAVE NO IDEA WHY THIS IS HAPPENING. BUT PEOPLE SHOULD COME AT SOME POINT BEFORE THE PROFITS OF THE LARGE CORPORATIONS. INCLUDING SANDIA AND OTHER PLACES THAT ARE BUILDING THE WEAPONS WE HAVE JUST BEEN HEARING FROM THIS OTHER GENTLEMAN. I AM REALLY SO DISAPPOINTED. I HOPE YOU'LL VOTE TO OVERRIDE THE -- NOT TO OVERRIDE THE VETO OF THE MAYOR WHO I BELIEVE IS ASKING ON OUR BEHALF, NOT THE BEHALF OF THE PEOPLE YOU'RE COORDINATING WITH UP HERE. THANK YOU. I'M SURE THERE'S NO QUESTIONS. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I NEVER HAD ANY PREPARED QUESTIONS FOR ANYBODY. FOR THE RECORD I KNOW YOU KEPT LOOKING AT ME. I DIDN'T, I WAS LISTENING AND I ANSWERED BASED OFF OF THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. CALL OUR NEXT SPEAKER. >> THOMAS FOLLOWED BY BERNADETTE. >> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILORS, I SHOULD FIRST CLARIFY I'M NOT RELATED TO THE COUNCILOR LEWIS. THAT'S -- AS A FAVOR TO HIM, HE MAY NOT WANT TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH ME. I WANT TO EXPRESS MY CONCERN ABOUT MOVES TO COMPLICATE AIR QUALITY PERMITTING IN ALBUQUERQUE. I'M NOT AT ALL OPPOSED, IN FACT I STRONGLY FAVOR CLEAN AIR. THE QUESTION IS HOW DO WE GET THEREFROM -- THEREFROM HERE. I THINK THE I THINK THE PROCESS NEEDS TO BE AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE AND TAKE INTEREST OF ALL STAKEHOLDERS. MY IMPRESSION IS A LOT OF THE MOVE TO CHANGE THE POLICIES HAS BEEN AS A RESULT OF PRESSURE FROM THE MOUNTAIN VIEW COALITION. I HAVE SOME FAMILIARITY WITH THAT AREA. I LIVED WHEN I WAS YOUNG RIGHT ACROSS THE RIVER ON TOBACCO ROAD. AND LATER I LIVED FOR 20 YEARS WITHIN A QUARTER MILE OF THE BIG-I WHICH IS ONE OF THE WORST AIR QUALITY AREAS IN THE WHOLE CITY. WHEN I WAS YOUNG, I DROVE TRUCKS, I FINANCED MY TWO DEGREES THAT WAY. AND AMONG -- I DELIVERED LOGS TO THE BASE LUMBER SAWMILL OFF SOUTH SECOND. AND I ALSO HAULED FUEL OFF SOUTH BROADWAY. THEY'RE NO LONGER THERE AND NEITHER IS THEIR SAWDUST BURNER. IN THOSE DAYS WE LOADED FUEL INTO THE TANKS WITHOUT TIGHT CONNECTIONS. THAT'S NO LONGER THE CASE. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. >> MY TWO MINUTES ARE UP? >>COUN. DAVIS: IF YOU HAVE REMARKS YOU CAN SHARE WITH OUR STAFF. >> I'M ON THE AGENDA, LATER I CAN CONTINUE? >>COUN. DAVIS: YOU CAN. >> THANK YOU. >> BERNADETTE FOLLOWED JANE. >> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR JONES, AND COUNCILOR BENTON, FOR YOUR YEARS OF SERVICE. WE APPRECIATE YOU. AND HEARING US AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. I'M WITH THE INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT HEALTHY COMMUNITIES COALITION. I AM ALSO A MEMBER OF THE NAVAJO NATION AND JEMEZ PUEBLO. WE'RE HERE TO ASK IF YOU CAN UPHOLD THE MAYORS VETO. WE'RE SO TIRED OF HAVING NOT TO BE ABLE TO PLAY OUTSIDE BECAUSE WE CAN'T BREATHE. WE HAVE TO BRING OUR BABIES INSIDE BECAUSE OF A PLASTIC FIRE. THREE YEARS FOR PEOPLE TO GET A PERMIT, YOU KNOW WHAT WE WANT? WE WANT A LONGER LIFE EXPECTANCY. WE WANT TO LIVE LONGER, HEALTHIER LIVES. WE'RE TOOIRED OF BEING SACRIFICED TO PEOPLE OF INDUSTRY AND THEM NOT BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR IT. PLEASE DO THE RIGHT THING. IT'S NOT GOOD GOVERNMENT TO GET RID OF THE VETO. WE NEED TO UPHOLD THE VETO. THANK YOU. >> JANE FOLLOWED BY DUVAL ON ZOOM. >> GOOD EVENING, PRESIDENT DAVIS, GOOD EVENING, COUNCILORS. I AM HERE TODAY TO SUPPORT MAYOR KELLER'S VETO OF ORDINANCE 23-88. AND RESOLUTION 23-176. I ATTENDED THE OPENENING OF THE HEALTH ENVIRONMENT AND EQUITY IMPACT RULE MAKING THIS MORNING AT THE AIR BOARD. I FELT A TREMENDOUS PRIDE THAT ALBUQUERQUE AND BERNALILLO COUNTY ARE TAKING LEADERSHIP ON THIS IMPORTANT ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE ISSUE THAT WILL LEAD TO A MORE ACCURATE AND A MORE HOLISTIC ANALYSIS OF THE IMPACTS OF THE FACILITIES. THE AIR BOARD'S ATTORNEY EMPHASIZED SEVERAL TIMES ITS DETERMINATIONS WILL BE BASED ON THE EVIDENCE AND IN OUR DEMOCRACY IN THE 21st CENTURY WE STILL HAVE THE IDEA OF DELEGATION OF AUTHORITY EVEN THOUGH SOME OF THE VERY CONSERVATIVES JUSTSES ON THE U.S. SUPREME COURT ARE OPPOSED WE STILL HAVE IT. THAT MEANS THAT OFTEN IN THIS CASE THE NEW MEXICO LEGISLATURE DELEGATED THIS COMPLICATED TECHNICAL AREA TO A TECHNICAL BOARD AND THAT IT IS NOT THE ROLE OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO SECOND GUESS AND INTERFERE WITH THE OPERATIONS OF THAT. THAT IS WHY I AGREE WITH MAYOR'S VETO OF THESE THREE-PIECES OF LEGISLATION. THAT'S WHAT THEY WILL DO. HE IS ALSO DEEPLY CONCERNED WITH THE LEGAL EXPOSURE THAT THE ENACTMENT OF THIS LEGISLATION WILL RESULT IN. ON THE OTHER HAND I SUPPORT RESOLUTION -- I PERSONALLY SUPPORT RESOLUTION 23-197 AND 198 AS MORE APPROPRIATE MEASURES TO EVALUATE THE AIR BOARD. I THANK THE COUNCILORS FOR INTRODUCING THOSE TWO BILLS. THANK YOU. >> DUVAL ON ZOOM FOLLOWED BY IAN. >> GOOD EVENING, MR. PRESIDENT, SORRY ABOUT THAT. GOOD EVENING, I COME TO YOU AS EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT OF POLICY AND PROGRAMS FOR THE GREATER ALBUQUERQUE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. I'M HERE TO TESTIFY ON THE TWO ITEMS SPONSORED BY COUNCILOR LEWIS. EC23-403 WILL OVERRIDE A BRIEF MORATORIUM ON ACTION BY THE ALBUQUERQUE BERNALILLO COUNTY AIR QUALITY CONTROL BOARD. AND EC23-404 OVERRIDES THE VETO OF ABOLISHING AND REPLACING THE BOARD. I DON'T THINK WE CAN BE MORE COMPELLING THAN THE GENTLEMAN FROM SANDIA. I SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY. THEY ARE A ROGUE BOARD THAT ANSWERED TO NO ONE, IGNORED OPEN MEETINGS LAW, AND PRIORITIZED SPECIAL INTERESTS AT THE EXPENSE OF THE COMMUNITY. THE CURRENT AIR BOARD HAS NO MEMBERS THAT REPRESENT BUSINESS. THE SUBCOMMITTEES HAVE BEEN CLOSED -B TO BUSINESS VOICE AND BUSINESS CONCERNS HAVE BEEN EXCLUDED. THIS BOARD IS CONSIDERING OVERBROAD AIR QUALITY PERMIT RULES THAT WILL EFFECTIVELY STOP DEVELOPMENT AND THE JOBS THAT DEVELOPMENT BRINGS. THE CHAMBER SUPPORTS THE VETO OVERRIDE TO PROVIDE TIME FOR ALL PARTIES TO COME TOGETHER AND CRAFT REAL SOLUTIONS TO PROTECT OUR ENVIRONMENT AND OUR COMMUNITIES WITHOUT NEEDLESSLY PUNISHING BUSINESSES AND HURTING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. BOTH ALLOWS TO THE CITY TEEN SURE WE HAVE THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE EXPERTISE AND COMPLEX TOPICS AND IS ACCOUNTABLE TO THE PUBLIC. THE ABILITY TO GROW OUR CITY ECONOMICALLY AND ENVIRONMENTALLY IS DEPENDENT ON TAKING THE TIME TO GET THIS BOARD RIGHT. PLEASE VOTE TO SUPPORT EC23-AND 404. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR NEW POSITION. >> THANK YOU. >> IAN FOLLOWED BY KAREN. >> GOOD EVENING, CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> WE CAN HEAR YOU. >> THANK YOU. LONG TIME REZDANT OF ALBUQUERQUE, AND NEW MEXICO. I'M A FARMER IN THE SOUTH VALLEY AND A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER. I LIVE IN MARTINEZ TOWN. FALL NEIGHBORHOOD NEXT TO DOWNTOWN. LIVING IN ONE OF THE MOST POLLUTED AREAS IN THE CITY. WITH THE BIG-I ON BOTH SIDES AND THE RAILROADS TO THE WEST AND COMMUTE DOWN I-25 INTO THE VALLEY MOST DAYS. I SEE THE SMOG AND THE OTHER AIR POLLUTION RISING FROM THE ENERGY GENERATION AND VARIOUS INDUSTRIES ALONG BROADWAY AND THROUGHOUT THE VALLEY. LISTENING TO EVERYONE SPEAK DURING THIS MEETING I RECOGNIZE IT BOILS DOWN TO A MAIN CONTRADICTION BETWEEN VERY FEW BUSINESS AND OWNING INTERESTS AND THE WORKERS. AND PEOPLE WHO BREATHE IN THE CITY WHICH I BELIEVE IS MOST PEOPLE. EVERYONE IN OUR LOVELY CITY. AND IT'S TOUGH. I'M NOT ANTI- DEVELOPMENT AND ANTI- JOBS. WORKERS, WE NEED TO BUILD THINGS IN OUR CITY AND WORK. I CAN UNDERSTAND IF THERE ARE WORKERS OUT THERE THAT ARE TORN BETWEEN THESE TWO THINGS. THAT'S REALLY WHAT THIS BOILS DOWN IS YOU HAVE A VERY SMALL 1% BUSINESS INTEREST AND EVERYONE WHO BREATHES IN THIS STATE AND CITY. I IMPLORE YOU TO BELIEVE THE EXPERTS AND COUNTY REPRESENTATIVES TO SAY WE CAN FIND A SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT BALANCE AND PROTECT OUR AIR QUALITY AND REDUCE ASTHMA RATES AND PROTECT OUR CHILDREN AND BUILD OUR CITY AND HAVE JOBS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. >> KAREN FOLLOWED BY DAVID. >> HELLO, CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME? >> WE CAN HEAR YOU. >> THANK YOU. DEAR CITY COUNCILLORS, I'M A CONSTITUENT OF DISTRICT SIX WHICH INCLUDES THE INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT. THANK YOU, PRESIDENT OF THE COUNCIL PAT DAVIS, FOR SAYING THAT AS A COUNCILOR THERE SHOULD KEEP THEIR PERSONAL AGENDA'S ASIDE. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY TO ALSO TO PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE OUT THE VOICES OF THE CONSTITUENTS. WE VOTE FOR YOU. I DREAM OF A CLEAN AIR FOR ALL OF ALBUQUERQUE, INCLUDING AREAS OF THE COA THAT GET FORGOTTEN. I HOPE THAT R-23-159 WILL INCLUDE THE COMMUNITY NOTICE IN MANY FORMS. NOT JUST AS A NEWSPAPER NOTICE, DOOR-KNOCKING SEEMS TO WORK WITH MANY COMMUNITIES. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR DAVIS, FOR HELP WITH THE COMPASSION CENTER AND STRIKES ON ZUNI ROAD. AND FOR SUPPORTING THE ALBUQUERQUE INTERNATIONAL FESTIVAL. DO NOT LEAVE OUT VOICES OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS. WE'RE ALL THE PEOPLE FROM ALBUQUERQUE. >> DAVID -- >> DO I HAVE TO PUT VIDEO ON? >> YES. LET ME ENABLE THAT FOR YOU. >> DO I HAVE TO? >> YOU DON'T HAVE TO. >> OKAY. I WAS ASKING. ALL RIGHT. BOARD MEMBERS, GOOD EVENING, I'M -- I'M FROM ALBUQUERQUE, NEW MEXICO. I SPECIFICALLY GREW UP IN THE INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT AND BERNALILLO COUNTY AS A WHOLE. I GREW UP IN BERNALILLO COUNTY AND EVENTUALLY LIVED IN THE INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT FOR 20 YEARS. MY WHOLE LIFE, BASICALLY. I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF THE YOUTH UNITED FOR CLIMATE CRISIS ACTION. I'M ALSO SPEAKING -- WHERE THE PUEBLO PEOPLE CHOSE A PLACE TO CALL HOME. THERE WAS NO INDUSTRY TO POLLUTE. LIFE WAS LIVED WITH LAND AND MOTHER EARTH. BREATH FILLED WITH NON-POLLUTED AIR. THERE WAS NO PROFITS TO BE PUT BEFORE THE PEOPLE. I KNOW INDIGENOUS PEOPLE ARE EVOLVING WITH RESPECT FOR OUR OWN PLANT EARTH. I KNOW INDIGENOUS VALUES OF CLEAN ENERGY ARE RESIPICAL. WE CAN HELP LEAD THE WAY FORWARD NINETY-TWO GOOD WAY STARTING IN A GOOD WAY STARTING WITH CLEAN ENERGY AND GUIDED BY THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE. BECAUSE WE KNOW GREEN ENERGY IS NOT DRIVEN BY THE PEOPLE BUT INDUSTRIALIZATION. WE NEED TO MAKE A PLAN FOR PEOPLE WHO CALL HOME AND MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT MOTHER EARTH IS CALLING ABOUT. WE WANT A HEALTHY FUTURE FOR ALL YOUNG PEOPLE TO COME. WE JUST HAVE TO LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE. I WONDER IF YOUNG PEOPLE WILL HAVE A FUTURE TO BREATHE. I WONDER IF MY WORDS WILL MEAN ANYTHING. PLEASE VOTE FOR A HEALTHY PLANET. UPHOLD THE MAYORS VETO. WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE. THAT'S SOME PLACE YOU CAN START. WE HAVE TO START. I DON'T THINK DISBANDING -- I THINK NOT UPHOLDING THE MAYORS VETO. >> THANK YOU YOUR TIME. >> I KNOW. >> UP NEXT WE HAVE RAVEN FOLLOWED BY ROSEMARY. >> HELLO, I AM A STEERING COMMITTEE MEMBER OF YOUTH UNITED FOR CLIMATE CRISIS ACTION. I AM AN ALUMNI AT THE UNIVERSITY OF NEW MEXICO. AND HAVE CALLED ALBUQUERQUE MY HOME FOR MANY YEARS. I'M HERE TO STRESS THE IMPORTANCE OF THE AIR QUALITY CONTROL BOARD AND HOW IT HAS CONTRIBUTED TO THE HEALTH EQUITY AND REGULATION IN ALBUQUERQUE. ESPECIALLY FOR FRONT LINE AND UNDER SERVED GROUPS. IT'S A CAT LIST IN CENTERING COMMUNITY VOICES. IT IS NO SECRET THAT LOW INCOME COMMUNITIES OF COLOR BEAR THE BURDEN OF ENVIRONMENTAL HARM IN THE WORLD, NATION, STATE AND CITY. NOT TO MENTION THE COMPOUNDING LOSS AND DAMAGES THAT STEM FROM THE UNEQUAL DISTRIBUTION OF ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARDS. NOW MORE THAN EVER WE NEED TO -- THE AIR QUALITY CONTROL BOARD AND RESOLUTION LIKE HEALTH ENVIRONMENT EQUITY IMPACTS TO SAFEGUARD COMMUNITIES, ECEE SYSTEMS AND FUTURE GENERATIONS OF NEW MEXICO. THERE'S AN UNDERSTANDABLE NEED FOR ECONOMIC GROWTH, HOWEVER THAT SHOULD NEVER COME AT THE EXPENSE OF PEOPLE AND COMMUNITIES. IT IS NEVER -- IT IS NOT COMPLEX TO PUT PEOPLE BEFORE PROFITS. AND IF PRIORITIZED, WE CAN FOSTER A SUSTAINABLE ECONOMY THAT IS SAFE AND ROOTED IN ENVIRONMENTAL AND COMMUNITY HEALTH. AS CLIMATE CHANGE BEGINS TO IMPACT NEW MEXICO IN VARIOUS WAYS WE NEED THE EXPERTISE AND WISDOM OF THE QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS AND CONCERNS CITIZENS REPRESENTING THE AIR QUALITY CONTROL BOARD. I ASK YOU TO SUSTAIN MAYOR'S VETO AND VOTE IN OPPOSITION IN CIS -- DISBANDING THE AIR BOARD. >> ROSEMARY. >> THANK YOU, AND GOOD EVENING, PRESIDENT DAVIS, AND CHAIR OF THE COUNCIL. I'M VERY HAPPY TO APPEAR BEFORE YOU. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT I'M APPEALER ABOUT. I URGE YOU TO UPHOLD THE VETOES. WHICH WOULD HAVE SUBSTANTIALLY ALTERED COMPOSITION AND AUTHORITY OF THE ALBUQUERQUE BERNALILLO COUNTY JOINT AIR QUALITY CONTROL BOARD AND HALTED CONSIDERATION OF THE MATTERS BEFORE THIS. THESE TWO ORDINANCES REPRESENT ATTEMPTS TO HALT AN ADMINISTRATIVE RULE MAKING PROCESS RATHER THAN ENGAGE WITH IT. THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS OF THE MOUNTAIN VIEW COMMUNITY HAVE WORKED IN GOOD FAITH AND WITHIN THE SYSTEM OF LOCAL GOVERNANCE TO BRING BEFORE THE JOINT AQCB THEIR REQUEST FOR REGULATIONS BETTER PROTECTING THE HEALTH OF THE COMMUNITY. THEY USED THE SYSTEM AS. AS WE TEACH THE CHILDREN THEY SHOULD DO. BOTH BILLS HAVE SOUGHT TO OPPOSE THIS PROPOSED REGULATION BY ELIM NATDING THE BOARD IN THE CURRENT FORM RATHER THAN APPEARING BEFORE THE BOARD AND MAKING GOOD FAITH ARGUMENTS AS TO WHY SUPPORTERS BELIEVE THAT THE PROPOSED REGULATION SHOULD NOT BE ADOPTED. THIS ATTEMPT IS REALLY AN UNDEMOCRATIC END RUN AROUND THE PUBLIC PROCEDURES THAT THE MOUNTAIN VIEW COMMUNITY MEMBERS HAVE RELIED UPON IN GOOD FAITH. IT ALSO SETS A VERY BAD PRECEDENT FOR THE CITY COUNCIL'S WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH THE BERNALILLO COUNTY COMMISSION. THE CITY COUNCIL WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY THIS EVENING TO CONSIDER TWO PROPOSED RESOLUTIONS. R-23-197 AND R-23-198. TO JOIN WITH THE BERNALILLO COUNTY COMMISSION TO TAKE A CRITICAL LOOK AT THE STRUCTURE, JURISDICTION AND OPERATION OF THE JOINT AIR QUALITY CONTROL BOARD. AND PROPOSED TOGETHER ANY CHANGES. MY TIME IS UP. I WILL SAY ANYTHING FURTHER I HAVE TO SAY WHEN THESE MATTERS COME UP. I URGE YOU NOT TO GIVE A BAD EXAMPLE OF HOW DEMOCRATIC PROCESSES WE TELL OUR YOUNG KIDS TO RELY ON. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. WE'LL HEAR YOU IN JUST A FEW MINUTES. >> MR. PRESIDENT, THAT CONCLUDES GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: ALL RIGHT. HAVING PLACED -- HAVING THE VETOES ON THE AGENDA. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THE ITEMS UP. I KNOW THAT'S SECTION 15. I HAVE TO REMEMBER WHERE WE ARE. LET'S GO ON TO OTHER BUSINESS. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE EC403 AND 404 RELATED TO THE AIR QUALITY BOARD. FOR FOLKS SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THOSE TWO-PIECES OF LEGISLATION, IF YOU SIGNED UP FOR BOTH OF THEM WE'RE GOING TO COMBINE BOTH LISTS. YOU GET ONE CHANCE TO SPEAK. WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO OUR BEST TO ENSURE WE GIVE EVERYBODY THEIR TIME AND NOT DUPLICATE. AND SO WHEN MR. CORNEALIOUS IS READY. -- >>COUN. LEWIS: DO YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE BOTH OF THE BILL AND ASK FOR A MOTION? >>COUN. DAVIS: LET'S DO COMMENT FROM THE PUBLIC AND WE'LL SEE IF THERE'S A MOTION WE HAVE. PLEASE START US. WE'RE GOING TO START ON EC-403 LIST. >> OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS PETE FOLLOWED BY JACKIE. >> JACKIE FOLLOWED BY DAVID. >> I AM JACKIE, I AM HERE REPRESENTING UNM LEADERS FOR ENVIRONMENTAL ACTION AND FORESIGHT. AS I MENTIONED WHEN THIS BILL CAME UP FOR THE FIRST TIME MY CONCERN RELIES IN THE FACT THAT INDUSTRY WOULD BE REPRESENTED ON THIS BOARD WHILE PEOPLE IN AREAS AFFECTED BY AIR POLLUTION ARE NOT. COUNCILOR PEÑA PROPOSED AN AMENDMENT THAT ONE MEMBER BE FROM AN AREA AFFECTED BY POLLUTING INDUSTRY. UNFORTUNATELY, THIS COUNCIL DECIDED TO REJECT THAT AMENDMENT. AS THE BILL IS WRITTEN IT LEAVES PEOPLE OUT. AND I ASK THAT YOU VOTE TO SUSTAIN THE VETO AND GIVE THE DELIBERATIVE PROCESS THAT IT DESERVES. >> DAVID FOLLOWED BY ARIA. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'M PRESIDENT OF MOUNTAIN STATE CONSTRUCTORS AND A RESIDENT OF ALBUQUERQUE FOR 69 YEARS. I AM IN FULL AGREEMENT OF THE PROPOSAL TO VETO RESOLUTION 176. AND VETO OF ORDINANCE 88. IT IS OUR BELIEF THAT A MORE FAIR AND EQUITABLE BOARD BE PUT IN PLACE THAT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THE POSITION OF ALL BERNALILLO COUNTY RESIDENTS WHICH WAS NOT DONE FROM THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROCESS BY THE AIR QUALITY BOARD. IN ADDITION, I AM IN COMPLETE DISAGREEMENT WITH THE BERNALILLO COUNTY COMMISSIONER THAT A DARK CLOUD WOULD BE PART OF THE JOINT AIR QUALITY CONTROL BOARD WORKING GROUP SHOULD THE VETOES BE IMPLEMENTED. I BELIEVE IT IS CRITICAL THAT THIS BOARD BE ENACTED AND THEY COME UP WITH QUALITY IMPROVEMENTS TO THE NEW JOINT AIR QUALITY CONTROL BOARD. THANK YOU. >> ARIEL FOLLOWED BY ROBERT. >> GOOD EVENING. I AM AN ASSISTANT REGIONAL FOR THE UNITED STATES AIR FORCE. KIRTLAND IS THE SIXTH LARGEST INSTALLATION IN THE AIR FORCE. IT HAS 23,000 EMPLOYED AND GENERATED $7.4 BILLION. IT'S HOME TO THE NUCLEAR WARFARE CENTER WHICH IS CHARGED WITH ACQUISITION SUSTAINMENT AND MODERNIZATION OF NUCLEAR WEAPON SYSTEMS. IT'S ALSO A CRITICAL PARTNER FOR THE NATIONAL NUCLEAR SAFETY ADMINISTRATION. IT'S ALSO HOME TO THE 58th SPECIAL OPERATIONS WIN, THE AIR FORCE OPERATIONAL TEST AND EVALUATION CENTER, THE NEW MEXICO AIR NATIONAL GUARD, ALL OF THE ORGANIZATIONS ARE HOUSED AT KIRTLAND IN ADDITION TO ADDITIONAL DEFENSE AGENCIES. LOOKING TO THE FUTURE, KIRTLAND IS THE PREFERRED LOCATION FOR SPACE DELTA 11. IT WILL PROVIDE RANGE TRAINING TO ALL SPACE FORCE PURRS PURSEMAL. THIS WAS MADE WITH ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS AND COMMUNITY SUPPORT. THE UNITED STATES AIR FORCE IS READY AND WILLING TO SUPPLY WITH ALL PROPER AND PROMULGATED ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE REGULATION. AS NATIONAL SECURITY ENTITY WE REQUIRE TIMELINESS REPEATABILITY AND DEPENDABILITY. WE HAVE NOT SEEN THAT WITH THE REGULATION CURRENTLY BEFORE THE BOARD. IT IS NOT BEEN PROMULGATED WITH PROPER DATA, AUTHORITY, OR SUPPORT FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH DEPARTMENT. YES, THERE ARE SEVERAL VERSIONS OF A BOARD -- RULE CIRCULATING BEFORE THE BOARD PUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FINAL VERSION LOOKS LIKE. WHEN A FINAL VERSION COMES OUT IT'S FINAL. IT CANNOT BE AMENDED AFTER THAT POINT. PLEASE OVERTURN THE MAYOR'S VETO. THANK YOU. I REMAIN FOR QUESTIONS IF YOU ANY. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE IS I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT HOW OFTEN ARE YOU ABLE TO EVEN COME OUT AND TALK ON BEHALF -- I DON'T EVER SEE ANYONE FROM THE GOVERNMENT OR FROM SANDIA LABS COME OUT. THIS MUST SEE BE AN EXTREMELY BIG DEAL FOR YOU TO ACTUALLY BE OUT HERE SPEAKING. IT MUST BE GOING TO THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF OUR NATIONAL GOVERNMENT AND NATIONAL SECURITY WITH THESE CONCERNS. I JUST WANT TO SEE IF THAT IS THE CASE? >> I CANNOT SPEAK TO HEADQUARTERS AIR FORCE POLICY, YES, BUT CAN SAY IS THERE ARE FOUR INDIVIDUALS THAT DO MY JOB ACROSS THE UNITED STATES AND IT SEEMED APPROPRIATE THAT I SHOULD COME OUT HERE. >>COUN. LEWIS: I'M KIND OF SPEECHLESS BECAUSE I THINK YOU SAID IT ALL AND IT SAYS EVERYTHING THAT YOU CAME HERE TONIGHT AND SAID WHAT YOU SAID. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. >> ROBERT FOLLOWED BY ALAN. >> GOOD EVENIN -- I WANTED TO STAND UP AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT HOW THIS IS GOING TO AFFECT MY COMPANY. I AM WITH ALBUQUERQUE ASPHALT. I HEARD IT SAID OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT THIS NEW PROPOSED REGULATION WILL NOT AFFECT CURRENT PERMIT HOLDERS. IT DOES BECAUSE WE REGULARLY HAVE TO GET WHAT'S CALLED A TECHNICAL REVISION TO OUR PERMIT WHEN A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT BREAKS DOWN, OR WE HAVE TO REPLACE OR UPGRADE. WE HAVE TO GET A TECHNICAL REVISION. THIS REGULATION AS ITS WRITTEN WOULD PREVENT THAT. THEN, I WAS OVER AT THE HEARING ALL DAY, AND I KEPT HEARING IT THAT NO ONE HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS. AS FAR AS INDUSTRY AND KIRTLAND AIR FORCE BASE, SANDIA LABS, WHY WAS THAT? YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF THAT. NO ONE WAS CONSULTED. THIS GROUP THAT PUT THIS TOGETHER, THEY WANT TO SHOVE IT DOWN OUR THROATS WITH NO INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY. WE'RE CITIZENS HERE TOO. WE'RE BUSINESS OWNERS TOO. THE NATIONAL LABS, KIRTLAND AIR FORCE BASE, LOOK AT HOW IMPORTANT THEY ARE TO OUR COMMUNITY. THEY DON'T WANT THEIR INPUT. THEY'RE OVER THERE NOW, BUT THEY WEREN'T WHEN THAT THING WAS BEING WRITTEN. IT WAS WRITTEN IN THE SHADOWS WITHOUT ANY INPUT FROM US. I WANT YOU TO CONSIDER THAT. WHY DID THEY DO THAT? THANK YOU. >> ALAN FOLLOWED BY ROBERT. >> COUNCILORS, FIRST LET ME SAY THAT COUNCILOR LEWIS'S PRESS RELEASE AND NEWSPAPER OP-PED CONTAINING ADHOMNEN ATTACKS WITH MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY -- I HOPE YOU DISAVOY CHILDISH NAME-CALLING. I ASK YOU TO SUPPORT THE MAYOR'S VETO. AS YOU KNOW THE LANGUAGE AND SCOPE OF THE REGULATION HAS BEEN AMENDED TO DRASTICICALLY REDUCE THE AREAS AFFECTED BY IT. I KNOW MUCH OF YOU WOULD NOT TO PROPOSE INDUSTRIAL POLLUTION ON THOSE COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE ABSORBED INDUSTRIAL POLLUTION PERMIT FOR THE LAST FIVE DECADES. GOVERNMENTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE TAKING ACTION TO REDUCE THE HEALTH IMPACTS OF INDUSTRIAL SITING IN POOR COMMUNITIES. WOULDN'T IT BE BETTER FOR US TO BE A LEADER IN THAT NATIONAL MOVEMENT. SOME OF YOU DOUBT THE CREDENTIALS OF THE AIR QUALITY CONTROL BOARD MEMBERS. IF YOU LOOK THEY'RE THE CREDENTIALS THAT THE CLEAN AIR ACT AND AIR QUALITY ACT ANTICIPATE. IF YOU THINK THE PROCESS OF APPOINTING BOARD NEEDS REVISION, I THINK THE WORKING GROUP WITH THE COUNTY COMMISSION WOULD BE THE BEST WAY FORWARD. NOT AN 11th HOUR ATTEMPT TO STIFLE THE HEARING UNDERWAY AT THE CONTROL BOARD. THAT HEAR IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ANY INTERESTED PARTY OR CITIZEN TO PRESENT THEIR CONCERNS SO THAT ANY REGULATION WHICH EMERGES WILL BE BEST, THE BEST THAT OUR COMMUNITY CAN PRODUCE. FINALLY, SOME OF YOUR WORRY ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THE PROPOSED REGULATION ONLY REQUIRES MITIGATION MEASURES WHEN AN INDUSTRY WANTS TO SITE WITHIN THE HEAVILY BURDENS COMMUNITIES. THEY CAN SITE ANYWHERE ELSE, THEY CANSITE WITHIN THE OVER BURDENED COMMUNITY IF THEY'RE WILL TO TAKE MEASURES TO REDUCE RELEASE OF MATTER. WE'RE ENCOURAGING CLEANER INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND MORE AND BETTER BUSINESSES MOVING TO NEW MEXICO. PLEASE SUPPORT THE MAYOR'S VETO. >> ROBERT FOLLOWED BY LAUREN. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'M GOING TO GO OFF OF SCRIPT A LITTLE BIT. I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIT HERE FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND LISTEN TO WHAT SEVERAL PEOPLE HAD TO SAY. I REPRESENT TWO COMPANIES. ONE IN BERNALILLO COUNTY AND ONE IN VALENCIA COMPANY. ONE REQUIRES AN AIR QUALITY PERMIT. MULTIPLE. AND ONE DOES NOT. BOTH OF THOSE COMPANIES ARE INCREDIBLY CONCERNED WITH WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE PERMITTING PROCESS. AND THE CHANGES TO THOSE RULES. IT'S EASY FOR PEOPLE TO ENACT A POLICY AND WALK AWAY WHENEVER YOU DON'T HAVE TO OPERATE YOUR ORGANIZATION. AND PEOPLE SAY, WELL, WE'RE TIRED OF PUTTING PROFITS BEFORE PEOPLE, BUT WITHOUT PROFITS WE CANNOT TAKE CARE OF OUR PEOPLE. IF WE DON'T GENERATE PROFITS, THEN WE ALSO CAN'T IMPLEMENT TECHNICAL REVISIONS ON OUR PERMITS THAT ALLOW US TO GET BETTER CONTROLLED TECHNOLOGY ON OUR FACILITIES. WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS PROPOSED REGULATION IS A BIG CONCERN. THE BIG CONCERN IS WE'RE UNDER INCREDIBLE TECHNICAL OBSERVATION AND OPERATION OF THE AIR QUALITY PERMITS. SO, WHENEVER WE TRY TO MAKE A CHANGE TO THAT RULE OR A CHANGE HOW YOU OPERATE IN THAT MANNER, THEN IT BECOMES A POTENTIAL AREA OF SAYING, OKAY WE'RE NO LONGER IN COMPLIANCE AND NOW WE DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW TO BECOME COMPLAINT. I CAN'T BOAST TENS OF THOUSANDS OF JOBS, AND I CAN'T BOAST BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF ECONOMIC IMPACT, WHAT I CAN BOAST IS THE AMERICAN DREAM. I CAN BOAST THAT I'M A SMALL BUSINESS AND I'M FIGHTING FOR SURVIVAL. AND AGAIN, IT IS VERY EASY FOR PEOPLE TO GO OVER AND WATCH A HEARING FOR ONE DAY AND NOT HAVE TO LIVE IT FOR THE ENTIRE LIVES. THANK YOU. >> LAUREN FOLLOWED BY SHERMAN. >> GOOD EVENING, MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCIL, I COME BEFORE USE RESPECTFULLY TO URGE YOU TO UPHOLD THE MAYORERS VETO OF O-88 AND R-176. ALLOW ME TO REMIND YOU FOR THE RECORD THE OUTSTANDING QUALIFICATIONS OF THE BOARD MEMBERS WHO CURRENTLY STAND TO BE REMOVED FROM THE AIR BOARD. THESE INDIVIDUALS YOURSELF CONFIRMED AND SOME OF THEM QUITE RENTLY. THESE PEOPLE HAVE VOLUNTEERED THEIR PROFESSIONALISM OUFB CIVIC DUTY. THE CHAIR OF THE BOARD BUILT AN AIR QUALITY RAM AT ONE OF THE PUEBLOS. THERE'S AN ATTORNEY WITH AN ENGINEERING DEGREE AND PERMITTING CONSULTANT FOR HAZARDOUS WASTE AND ATMOSPHERING SCIENCE PROFESSOR AT THE UNIVERSITY OF NEW MEXICO. THIS WILL SET A TERRIBLE PRECEDENT, FOR FUTURE VOLUNTEERS THAT WORK ON BEHALF OF THE PUBLIC. BUT ALSO I'M DEEPLY CONCERNED TO SEE THIS BODY SERVE AS A PEACHRY DISH FOR MISINFORMATION. I THOUGHT THE WHOLE LAST MEETING THAT DEALT WITH THESE ORDINANCE AND PASSAGE OF THE ORDINANCES. AND LISTENING TO YOU SPEAK POORLY OF THE AIR BOARD WHO IS MAKING THEIR DECISIONS BASED ON FACTS WHILE LISTENING TO THE REST OF THE COUNCIL CARRY ON ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT -- WITH BASELESS FACTS. I RESPECTFULLY REMIND YOU THAT ANY OF YOU COULD HAVE COME TO A BOARD MEET TO LISTEN. INSTEAD, YOU'RE ALLOWING YOURSELF TO MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON HEARSAY AND IMPRESSION. THERE'S VERY LITTLE FACT. LET ME STATE LOUD AND CLEAR FOR THE RECORD, A HEARING IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL THE PARTIES TO COME TOGETHER TO HAVE THEIR PIECE HEARD AND CONSIDERED. THERE IS AN EVIDENTIARY RECORD THAT CAN STAND UP TO APPEAL. THERE'S NO EVIDENTIARY RECORD YOU ARE EXPECTED TO HAVE IN ORDER TO STAND BY YOUR OWN DECISION. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> SERMON FOLLOWED BY RHINNAON. >> MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, THE AIR QUALITY BOARD IS CURRENTLY CONSTITUTED, STRUCTURED AND IT'S AUTONOMOUS EFFORTS HAS PROVEN TO DATE THAT THE APPROACH DOES NOT MEET ACCEPTED PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS. WE'RE TOLD THAT BECAUSE THERE WAS NO INPUT REQUIRE TO TODAY OVER THE LAST YEAR MEMBERS -- ALL OF THE FEDERAL ORGANIZATIONS WERE NOT ALLOWED INPUT. THAT'S A FACT. WE CAN'T CHANGE THAT FACT. WE'RE TOLD THE EXPERTS KNOW BETTER THAN US, BUT LET ME GIVE YOU ONE EXAMPLE. CURRENTLY IN THE RULE MAKING IT STATES THAT IF ANY AIR FORCE BASE ANYWHERE IN THE 50 STATES IS OUT OF COMPLIANCE, THEN KIRTLAND AIR FORCE BASE COULD NOT RECEIVE AN AIR QUALITY PERMIT. THAT'S IN THE PROPOSED RULE. HOW DID THAT OCCUR IF IN FACT WE'RE USING BEST PRACTICES? THANK YOU. >> RHINANNO. >> I'M GOING TO GO OFF SCRIPT. I'M GETTING A LITTLE FRUSTRATED. I HAVE BEEN ENGAGED WITH THIS ISSUE FOR THE PAST YEAR. WHEN IT WAS INTRODUCED LAST DECEMBER. AND AT EVERY POINT, EVERY COMMITTEE MEETING THAT I HAVE BEEN TOOT, I HAVE BEEN CALLED A POLLUTER. I HAVE BEEN TOLD DIRECTLY THAT I HAVE GIVEN CANCER TO THEIR CHILDREN AND I HAVE NOT BEEN SEEP FOR THE GREAT WORK THAT ALL THE FOLKS AT NAOP DO. WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD OUR COMMUNITY. WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD HOUSES. WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN MY GENERATION A REASON TO STAY. WHEN THEY'RE FLEEING TO DENVER AND AUSTIN. AT EVERY TURN DURING THIS PROCESS IT'S NOT THIS OPEN ENVIRONMENT WHERE THEY HEARD OTHER POINTS. BUSINESS WAS NEVER SEEN AS EQUAL BUT RATHER AN ENEMY. ALL WE WANT TO DO IS WORK ALONGSIDE THEM. THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON TONIGHT. IF YOU OVERTURN THE VETO YOU WILL HELP LEVEL THE PLAYGROUND SO WE CAN HAVE NEGOTIATIONS AND ACTUALLY HAVE CONVERSATIONS THAT ARE NOT LITIGIOUS LIKE WE'RE IN CURRENTLY. THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING ACROSS THE PLAZA. PLEASE VOTE TO OVERRIDE BOTH VETOES. >> BARBARA FOLLOWED BY THOMAS. >> HOW MUCH IS IT GOING TO COST TO CLEAN UP THE OIL SPILL AND THE FUEL SPILL FROM KIRTLAND AIR FORCE BASE? THAT IS AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT. IT'S COSTING US LIVELYHOODS AND RUINING WATER. YOU SIT HERE AND TALK TO THESE PEOPLE, LET THESE PEOPLE TELL YOU THE VALUE THAT KIRTLAND AIR FORCE BASE IS BRINGING. THERE MAY BE THAT VALUE BUT THERE'S ALSO A COST THAT SHOULD NOT BE FORGOTTEN BY PEOPLE HERE SITTING AT THIS. I URGE YOU TO UPHOLD THE VETO. THANK YOU. >> THOMAS FOLLOWED BY VALERIE. >> THANK YOU. I SPOKE EARLIER. I'D LIKE TO MENTION A COUPLE THINGS. IN 2002 TO 2010 I WAS THE INTERNATIONAL SALES MAJOR FOR AN OUTFIT IN COUNCILOR PEÑA'S DISTRICT THAT MANUFACTURED ASPHALT PLANTS. VIRTUALLY ALL OF THEM WERE SOLD OUTSIDE OF NEW MEXICO, AND ABOUT A THIRD OF THEM WERE SOLD TO DEVELOPING COUNTRIES. I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ASPHALT PLANTS. AND I'M VERY INTERESTED IN SEEING THE -- THEM OPERATE IN A WAY THAT WILL MAXIMIZE CLEAN AIR. THE NEWER PLANTS THAT HAVE BEEN INSTALLED, THERE'S A PLANT IN THE SOUTH VALLEY THAT'S BEEN DECOMMISSIONED. THE BUSINESS I WORKED FOR IN COUNCILOR PEÑA'S DISTRICT EMPLOYED APPROXIMATELY 100 PEOPLE. THE VAST MAJORITY OF THEM EITHER NATIVE-AMERICAN OR HISPANIC WHO EARNED BY ALBUQUERQUE STANDARDS GOOD WAGES WITH VERY GOOD BENEFITS. THE PLANT WAS CLOSED DOWN IN 2020 DUE TO A CONSOLIDATION BY THE PARENT AND THAT PROPERTY IS STILL VACANT. THOSE FOLKS, SOME FOUND OTHER JOBS, SOME HAVE NOT. THAT'S THE KIND OF OPERATION THAT MIGHT BE AFFECTED BY CHANGES IN OUR AIR QUALITY PERMITTING PROCEDURES. I WOULD INVIDE COUNCILOR PEÑA TO MEET WITH SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO WORK THERE AND SEE THE IMPACT. ONE OF THEM HAPPENS TO LIVE IN THE MOUNTAIN VIEW DISTRICT. HE'S LIVED THERE FOR OVER 35 YEARS AND HE'S TOTALLY HAPPY. HE DOESN'T FEEL THREATENED. >> VALERIE FOLLOWED BY SARAH. >> GOOD EVENING, MR. PRESIDENT, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. I REPRESENT SANDIA NATIONAL LABORATORIES. SANDIA IS DEEPLY COMMITTED TO ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP. MOST OF THE WORKFORCE LIVE AND WORK IN NEW MEXICO AND PRIORITIZE THE WELL BEING OF SURROUNDING CITIES AND STATES. SANDIA ACTIVELY PURSUES INSOIVATIVE SUSTAINABLE SOLUTIONS FOR OUR SATE AND COUNTRY. THAT'S PART OF OUR NATIONAL SECURITY MISSION. WE BELIEVE IN AN OPEN AND FAIR PROCESS TO ADDRESS ISSUES THAT IMPACT OUR COMMUNITIES, STATE, AND THE NATION. CONTRARY TO WHAT SOME HAVE STATED, AN EXTENSIVE FOR -- OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC INPUT DID NOT OCCUR. THERE'S NO STAKEHOLDERS PROCESS BEFORE THE RULE WAS PROPOSED. WHAT THE BOARD MAY DO IS A CONCERN BECAUSE THE BOARD HAS CONTINUOUSLY ALLOWED PETITIONERS TO MOVE THE GOAL POSTS. FOR EXAMPLE, VERSION FOUR OF THE RULES WHICH WAS NOTICED TO THE PUBLIC IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM VERSION ONE OF THE ORIGINAL PETITION. WE'RE NOW UP TO VERSION SIX. WHICH IS EVEN MORE ONEROUS IN ITS REQUIREMENTS AND CAME OUT LAST FRIDAY, DECEMBER 1, RIGHT BEFORE THE START OF THIS HEARING OR THE 11th HOUR. NEITHER THE PUBLIC NOR THE PARTIES HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEANINGFULLY REVIEW AND COMMENT ON WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED. FOR THESE REASONS, THE LAB SUPPORTING THE OVERRIDE AS IT WOULD ESTABLISH A MORATORIUM ON ACTION. WE HOPE THAT GOING FORWARD A FAIR, INCLUSIVE, AND JUST PROCESS IS ESTABLISHED. THANK YOU. >> FOLLOWED BY JIM. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCILOR DAVIS, AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. GOOD EVENING TO EVERYONE LISTENING. I AM HERE AS A CONCERNED CITIZEN AND REGARD TO THE AIR QUALITY CONTROL BOARD. AND THE RELATED PUBLIC HEARING. IT'S IMPORTANT TO HIGHLIGHT FOR ALL STAKEHOLDERS THAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY HAS BEEN MONITORING BOTH THE CITY AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH DEPARTMENT FOR ALMOST A DECADE REGARDING POTENTIAL CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATIONS. SPECIFICALLY, TITLE SIX. WHICH PROTECTS PEOPLE FROM DISCRIMINATION BASED ON RACE, COLOR, OR NATIONAL ORIGIN IN PROGRAMS OR ACTIVITIES THAT RECEIVE FEDERAL FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE. FOR DECADES POLLUTING INDUSTRY HAS BEEN CONCENTRATED IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE MAJORITY LOW INCOME AND COMMUNITIES OF COLOR. IF THE CITY IS FOUND TO BE IN VIOLATION OF CIVIL RIGHTS, THE CITY AND ITS CITIZENS COULD LOSE FEDERAL FUNDING FOR VITAL ENVIRONMENTAL PROGRAMS. AS A MOTHER AND EDUCATOR CONCERNED FOR OUR CHILDREN'S WELL BEING AND FUTURE, I URGE YOU TO UPHOLD THE MAYOR'S VETO, ALLOW THE AIR QUALITY CONTROL BOARD TO DO ITS WORK AND SUPPORT THE PUBLIC HEARING SO THAT WE AS A COMMUNITY MAY BEGIN TO OPENLY DISCUSS ISSUES OF ECONOMIC INSECURITY AS WELL AS ISSUES OF ENVIRONMENTAL INJUSTICE, RACISM, AND INEQUITY. THANK YOU. >> JIM FOLLOWED BY CIVILIA. >> THANK YOU, PRESIDENT DAVIS. I AM THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE ASSOCIATED CONTRACTORS OF NEW MEXICO. I REPRESENT THE HIGHWAY CONTRACTORS THAT BUILD ROADS AND HIGHWAYS AND MAINTENANCE OF NEW MEXICO. WE BELIEVE THAT AIR QUALITY IS IMPORTANT AND THE COMMUNITY I REPRESENT IS IN THE FOREFRONT OF FINDING SOLUTIONS. WE HAVE AN AIR QUALITY CONTROL BOARD PROBLEM. THAT IS THE PROBLEM WE HAVE. WHAT COUNCILOR LEWIS HAS PRESENTED IS ACTUAL A RESET. I LIKE TO REMIND EVERYBODY THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO SUPPORT THIS AND OVERRIDE THE OVERRIDE GIVES US A CHANCE TO RESET. THE CURRENT JOINT AIR QUALITY CONTROL BOARD REPRESENTS A NARROW SET OF INTERESTS AND DOES NOT OPERATE WIN THE LAWS OF THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO. THE PROPOSAL REPLACED ORDINANCE ESTABLISHED NECESSARY THE SAFEGUARDS TO HOLD THE BOARD ACCOUNTABLE AND ESTABLISHES NECESSARY SAFEGUARDS TO HOLD THE BOARD ACCOUNTABLE AND ENSURE THE BOARD IS COMPRISED OF DIVERSE ESHPERTS THAT CAN DECIDE AIR QUALITY MARTYRS ININATE XHRT. THIG APPEALS THE PURPOSE OF THE ORDINANCE IS EMPHASIZE THE BOARD OPERATES ON BEHALF OF THE CITY AND JUSTIFIED BY THE LAWS OF NEW MEXICO. IT CHANGES THE MEMBERSHIP OF THE BOARD. IT CLEANS UP SOME OF THE DEFINITIONS AND INCLUDES THE EPA'S OFFICIAL DEFINITION REGARDING CONFLICTS OF INTEREST AND REQUIRES BOARD MEMBERS TO AFFIRM COMPLIANCE WITH CONFLICT OF INTEREST REQUIREMENTS. YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT VERSION SIX. VERSION SIX CAME OUT AT 7:32 ON FRIDAY. THE PUBLIC HAS NOT HAD A CHANCE TO WEIGH IN ON THAT. THEY KEEP CHANGES THE RULES AS THEY GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS. THIS IS SOMETHING GOOD FOR US TO MAINTAIN. IN FACT, IT WAS THE GENERAL COUNSEL OF THE AIR QUALITY CONTROL BOARD EXPRESSED MANY TIMES THAT THEY'RE COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT AND NOT SUBJECT TO ANY GOVERNING AUTHORITY. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. >> XAVIER FOLLOWED BY RICHARD. >> HELLO, PRESIDENT DAVIS, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. IT'S BEEN REALLY INTERESTING. I LEFT THE AIR BOARD, THE FIRST DAY OF THE HEARING FOR THE AIR BOARD. IT WAS REALLY POWERFUL. I HOPIA TAKE THE TIME TO WATCH THE RECORDING. THE FIRST THING THAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT BUSINESS OWNERS IS THEY SAY IT'S A BURDEN. I THINK THE REGULATIONS ARE MEANT TO BE SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE TO CARRY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT NONE OF THE BUSINESS OWNERS HAVE DONE IS SHOW THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS. WHY? BECAUSE THEY MAKE PROFIT. EVEN IF THEY HAD TO PAY AN EXTRA COUPLE PERCENT OF PROFIT THEIR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS ARE NOT BEFORE YOU. THEY ARE NOT PRESENTED. I LOOKED UP LIFE LOCK THEY MADE $5 MILLION. ALBUQUERQUE ASPHALT MADE UNDER $24 MILLION. ASK YOURSELVES, IS $500 TO DO A SOURCE REGISTRATION AND BASED ON THE FEEDS, AND YOU CAN CHECK WITH YOUR STAFF AND ATTORNEYS THEY HAVEN'T BEEN UPDATED IN OVER A DECADE. WHILE EGGS AND MILK IS FLYING UP AND DOWN INPLICE, THE COST TO POLLUTE HAS STAYED THE SAME FOR THE LAST DECADE. THAT'S FACT. WHERES THE FINANCIAL STATEMENT. WE SHOULDN'T BE PITTED AGAINST COURT. BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THE PEOPLE MOVING THE DENVER, THEY PASSED A CUMULATIVE IMPACT REGULATION. THEY'RE FIGHTING FOR IT RIGHT NOW AND THERE'S A REINSTATE BECAUSE THEY WANT TO MAKE IT STRICTER. THEY WANT IMPACTS PROTECTION. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE GOING TO DENVER IS BECAUSE ALBUQUERQUE IS WAY BEHIND. LAST THING I'LL SAY TO THE AIR FORCE BASE WITH RESPECT TO THOSE WHO SERVE, I HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS THAT SERVE, MY GRANDFATHER SERVED, BUT IF YOU'RE THE SIXTH LARGEST BASE FOR THE AIR FORCE. THAT MEANS YOU HAVE THE SIXTH LARGEST IMPACT ON YOUR POPULATION. BIGGER MEANS MORE POLLUTION. IT MEANS MORE IMPACT. IT'S ALL THERE IN THE DETAILS IF YOU LOOK AT IT. THE LAST THING IS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICERS, ONE OF THE THINGS WE MENTIONED IS AIR POLLUTION INCREASES THE LIKELIHOOD OF VIOLENT CRIME. BY LETTING AIR POLLUTION GO RAMPANT IT ALLOWS VIOLENT CRIME TO GO RAMPANT. >> RICHARD FOLLOWED BY JOBE ON ZOOM. >> AGAIN, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. SINCE YOU DIDN'T ASK ANY OF THE FOLKS THAT ARE ASKING YOU ALL TO SUPPORT THE MAYOR'S VETO. HAVE YOU MADE ANY ATTEMPT OR EFFORT TO CONTACT THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY, MINNESOTA, OR NEW YORK OR THE OTHER LOCATIONS THAT HAVE COMMUNITY IMPACT POLICIES? HAVE YOU ASKED THOSE THAT THEY COULD BE CITY EMPLOYEES, THEY COULD BE CITY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, HAVE YOU CHOSEN TO CONTACT ANY OF THOSE TO GET THEM TO COME HERE AND MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT OR TO EVEN TESTIFY SINCE YOU HAVE ALSO BEEN PARTICIPATING IN HELPING GET OTHERS TO TESTIFY? SO, WHEN YOU WAKE UP IN THE MORNING, NO MATTER WHAT DECISION YOU MAKE, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHATEVER YOU SAY, PUT A MOR TOMATORIUM ON THE DECISIONS HAVE YOU ASKED THE INDUSTRY, WE'VE GOT GOOD BUSINESS AND INDUSTRY PEOPLE. LET'S BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT. HAVE YOU EVER ASKED THEM ANY QUESTIONS. HAVE THEY CONTACTED ANY COMMUNITY, NOT JUST MOUNTAIN VIEW OR THE SOUTH VALLEY, WHEN THEY'RE APPLYING THE PERMIT THAT THEY SIT DOWN WITH THE RESIDENTS AND COMPANY TO GO INTO NEGOTIATIONS BEFORE THE PERMIT WAS APPLIED FOR? THEY WILL THEY SAY THEY HAVE NO OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE. THEY HAD NO OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE THAN ANY COMMUNITY MEMBER THAT'S BEEN POISONED BY MANY OFFENSE THESE FACILITIES. THEY HAD MORE OF THAT OPPORTUNITY. I WISH YOU THE BEST. WHEN YOU WAKE UP IN THE MORNING I HOPE YOU CAN LOOK AT YOURSELF IN THE MIRROR BECAUSE WE'LL LOOK AT OURSELVES IN THE MIRROR. >> JOVI FOLLOWED BY CREED. >> HI, I AM A LIFELONG NEW MEXICAN AND 20-YEAR RESIDENT OF ALBUQUERQUE THAT LIKES TO BREATHE CLEAN AIR. I LIVED IN SOUTH BROADWAY FOR A DECADE. WE'RE THE OVERBURDENED COMMUNITY THAT NEEDS COMMON SENSE POLLUTION IMPACT RULES. WHEN THE WIND IS RIGHT IT ALREADY SMELLS LIKE -- IN MY YARD. WHY WOULD WE DO THAT. SOMEBODY CAN SNEAK A NEW ASPHALT PLANT. COUNCILOR LEWIS, SAID YOU WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE EVERY OBSTACLE TO SANDIA LABS. IS THAT ALL MY NEIGHBORS CLEAN AIR AND HEALTH IS? IS OUR HEALTH NOTHING BUT AN OBSTACLE TO YOU. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, YOU WORRIED THAT KIRTLAND OR SANDIA MIGHT LEAVE BECAUSE OF AIR REGULATION. THEY WILL NOT. YOUR RHETORIC ABOUT THE RULES BEING THE GREATEST THREAT TO THE CITY IS OUTRAGES. MANY BUSINESSES CLAIM THE BOARD DOESN'T SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GETTING EVERYTHING THEY WANT. THE BUSINESSES ARE NOT THE COMMUNITY. WE ARE. PEOPLE HAVE TO LIVE DOWN WIND OF ASPHALT PLANTS. COUNCILORS, WE KNOW YOU CARE ABOUT THE POOR BUSINESSES, NOW SHOW US YOU CARE ABOUT US WHO LIVE IN THE OVERBURDENED NEIGHBORHOODS, WE LIVE HERE AND HAVE TO BREATHE THE AIR THAT THESE BUSINESSES NEED TO POLLUTE. PUT OUR NEED BEFORE THE DESIRE OF THEM POLLUTING WHEREVER THEY WANT. >> CREED FOLLOWEDIFY SAMANTHA. >> I'M A 20-YEAR ALBUQUERQUE RESIDENT. MY PURPOSE IS EXPRESS SUPPORT FOR THE VETOES. THESE PROPOSALS RAISE CONCERNS. IT'S EVIDENT THIS IS ABOUT HEEI. WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT IT TONIGHT. OVERRIDING THIS VETO IS ABOUT MORE THAN HEEI. AS LONG AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HEEI THERE WAS PUBLIC INPUT. I WAS THERE AND SPOKE AND THERE'S A HEARING GOING ON NOW. CERTAIN COUNCILORS HEEI WILL DAMAGE OUR JOB MARKET. WE HAVE HEARD OUTLANDING -- ARE HYPOTHETICAL JOBS AND IMPACTS WORTH JEOPARDIZE THE SAFETY AND WELL BEING OF COMMUNITIES? WE'VE HEARD FROM THE LARGEST POLLUTERS OF ALBUQUERQUE. THEY'RE HERE TO FEAR MONGER AND CATASTROPHIZE. NO THIS IS ABOUT NEW PERMITS. THE APPLICANT CAN DEMONSTRATE THEY MEET GUIDELINES THE PERMIT WOULD BE APPROVED. THE CURRENT PERMITTING PRACTICE FAVOR ALLOWING INDUSTRIES TO BE GRANTED IN ALBUQUERQUE'S POOREST NEIGHBORHOODS. IT HAS TO END. IT'S VITAL TO CONSIDER THE TIMING OF THE PROPOSALS CONSIDERING THEIR ORIGIN FROM SOMEONE WHO MADE THEIR LIVING IN THE FOSSIL FUELS INDUSTRY. THERE AN AGENDA TO RESHAPE THE CONTROL BOARD TO FAVOR SPECIFIC STRAES. SUCH RESPONSIBILITY RAISES ETHICAL QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS. THE EXISTING AIR QUALITY CONTROL BOARD IS DEDICATED TO A VITAL MISSION SAFEGUARDING COMMITS WITH THE -- THE PROPOSITION ISN'T ABOUT END -- IT'S ABOUT RESPONSIBLY MANAGING DEVELOPMENT TO PRIORITIZE THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THE COMMUNITIES. PLEASE UPHOLD THE VETO. >> SAMANTHA FOLLOWED BY ROSEMARY. >> GOOD EVENING, MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCIL. I AM A RESIDENT OF DISTRICT SIX NOB HILL AREA. RECENT UNM ALUMNI. I GREW UP IN GALLUP, NEW MEXICO. I GREW UP FOUR MILES FROM THE LARGEST SPILL IN THE U.S. THAT IS YET TO BE CLEANED UP. ALL IN THE NAME OF NATIONAL SECURITY. THE CLEAN ENERGY POLICY IS A PIVOT ROLE OF THE AIR BOARD IS TO CHAMP YP THE CAUSE OF ABATING AIR POLLUTION. IT'S MORE THAN JUST A GAUFB RNG BODY IT'S A DEDICATED ASSEMBLY OF HEALTH PROFESSIONALS THAT EMBODY TO OUR AIR QUALITY. THEIR SELECTION IS NOT ARBITRARY. EACH MEMBER IS CHOSEN FOR UNWAVERING CONCERN AND DEDICATION TO UPHOLDING AIR STANDS IN THE COMMUNITY. THE CURRENT COMPOSITION OF THE AIR BOARD IS A TESTAMENT TO EXCELLENCE. COMPRISING HIGHLY QUALIFIED PROFESSIONALS, THESE INDIVIDUALS BRING DECADES OF EXPERIENCE, I WHEN ON THEIR WEBSITE AND MULTIPLE PEOPLE HAVE MASTERS IN PUBLIC HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY. THEIR EXPERTISE SPANNED A WIDE SPECTRUM. THE BOARD HAS A DIVERSE SKILL SET WITH THOSE HOLDING DEGREES IN ENGINEERING, SCIENCE, AND PHYSICS. THESE ACCOMPLISHED INDIVIDUALS A DRIVING FORCE BEHIND THE ENVIRONMENTAL WELL BEING. THE KNOWLEDGE MAKES THEM A FORD MIDABLE TEAM. -- STEERING OUR AIR QUALITY INITIATIVES WE CAN BE CONFIDENT THAT THEIR PASSION AND EXPERTISE WILL PAVE THE WAY FOR A BRIGHTER FUTURE FOR ALBUQUERQUE. THANK YOU. >> ROSEMARY. >> I GUESS I'M BACK ON. THANK YOU, PRESIDENT DAVIS, CHAIR GROUT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. AGAIN, I URGE YOU TO UPHOLD THE VETO. AS I NOTED EARLIER THE ORDINANCE VETOED WERE ATTEMPTS TO HALT PUBLIC HEARING BASED ADMINISTRATIVE RULE MAKING. RATHER THAN TO ENGAGE WITH IT. COMMUNITY MEMBERS OF MOUNTAIN VIEW COMMUNITY WORKED IN GOOD FAITH WITHIN THE SYSTEM OF LOCAL GOVERNANCE TO BRING REGULATIONS BEFORE THE JOINT AQCB TO PROTECT THE HEALTH OF THEIR COMMUNITY. THE JOINT AQCP ALLOWS THIS CITIZEN INITIATIVE. IT'S CLEAR THAT THE PETITIONERS DO NOT HAVE THE FINAL WORD WHO BROUGHT THE PROPOSED REGULATIONS DON'T HAVE IN THE IF I KNOWAL WORD. THAT BELONGS TO THE BOARD AFTER THEY HOLD EVIDENTIARY HEARINGS AS THEY'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. THE BOARD IS TAKING EXPERT TESTIMONY. TESTIMONY OF BUSINESS REPRESENTATIVES, THEY WILL USE THEIR EXPERTISE AND EVIDENCE PRESENTED TO THEM TO DETERMINE WHAT REGULATION TO FINALLY ADOPT AND EVEN IF TO USE THE PROPOSED REGULATION AS A FRAMEWORK. THIS IS HOW THE SYSTEM IS SUPPOSED TO WORK. AS I SAID WE TEACH THIS TYPE OF CIVIC ENGAGEMENT IN SCHOOLS. ARE WE LYING TO OUR OWN CHILDREN WHEN WE TELL THEM THEIR VOICE CAN MATTER? O-23-88 AND R-23-176 STATE TO OPPOSE THIS PROPOSED REGULATION BY ELIMINATING THE BOARD IN ITS CURRENT FORM RATHER THAN APPEARING BEFORE THE BOARD AND MAKING GOOD FAITH ARGUMENTS TO SUPPORT THE POSITIONS OF THOSE WHO OPPOSE THE REGULATION. OVERRIDING THE VETO IS NOTHING MORE THAN AN UNDEMOCRATIC END RUN AROUND PUBLIC PROCEDURES CITIZENS OF OUR COMMUNITY HAVE LEGITIMATELY RELIED UPON IN GOOD FAITH. OVERRULING THE VETO IS BAD FOR THE CITY, BAD FOR OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COUNTY, AND BAD FOR THE HEALTH OF OUR PEOPLE AND BAD FOR DEMOCRACY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THAT CONCLUDES THE COMBINED LIST. >>COUN. DAVIS: LET ME ASK FOR ANYBODY IN THE ROOM. IS THERE ANYONE THAT THINK YOU SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ABOUT THE MAYOR'S VETO? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE. JUST TO BE SURE. WE HAD TO COMBINE A BUNCH OF LISTS. WE'RE AN OPEN FLOOR. WE HAVE THE FIRST ITEM WHICH IS THE FIRST VETO. THAT ESTABLISHED THE MORATORIUM TO ACT UNDER THE JOINT AIR QUALITY CONTROL BOARD ORDINANCE UNTIL FEBRUARY 1, 2024. PER OUR RULES AND FOR THE CITY CHARTER IF THERE IS AN ATTEMPT TO OVERRIDE THEY'LL MAKE A MOTION TO OVERRIDE IF THERE IS NO MOTION THE VETO STANDS. IF THE MOTION IS MADE BUT SIX VOTES ARE NOT MAINTAINED, THE VETO WILL STAND. IS THERE A MOTION TO OVERRIDE THE MAYORS VETO? >>COUN. LEWIS: I MOVE TO OVERRIDE. >>COUN. DAVIS: IS THERE A SECOND? I HEARD SEVERAL SECOND. I HEARD COUNCILOR GROUT FIRST ON MY LEFT. WE HAVE GONE THROUGH OUR PUBLIC SPEAKERS. IF IT'S OKAY WITH -- LET ME ASK THE ADMINISTRATION REALLY QUICKLY IF THEY'RE MOTION AND THE MAYOR'S VETO. AS BRIEFLY AS YOU CAN SUMMARIZE ANYTHING ADDITIONAL BEYOND THE MAYORS COMMENT AND WE'LL MOVE TO COUNCILORS FOR DELIBERATION. >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCIL MEMBERS, I HAVE A FEW BULLET. I THINK IT'S RELEVANT TO BOTH MATTERS RELATED TO THE MAYOR VETO. WE STATED THE ADMINISTRATION HAS CONCERNS REGARDING THE HEEI PETITION BEFORE THE JOINT AIR QUALITY BOARD AS WRITTEN. WE SHARE SOME OF THE CONCERNS AS SHARED BY SANDIA NATIONAL LAB AND THE U.S. AIR FORCE AS WE JOINED THEIR MOTION THIS MORNING REGARDING JURISDICTION. ADMINISTRATION HAS REMAINED CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT THIS MATTER THAT THE COUNCIL TAKING ACTION WITHOUT OUR PARTNERS AT THE COUNTY CONTINUES TO OPEN UP THE MATTER TO ADDITIONAL LEGAL AMBIGUITY AND THE JUDICIAL PROCESS AS WELL. THE CONTINUED BELIEVE THE COMMUNITY IS SERVED BY PROMPT ADJUDICATION OF THE MATTERS BEFORE THE JOINT AIR QUALITY BOARD. THIS ALLOWS EACH OF US, THE CITY, COUNTY PETITIONERS AND EVERY OTHER AFFECTED PARTY TO THE PROCESS TO APPROPRIATELY RESPOND TO THE ACTUAL DECISIONS OF THE BOARD RATHER THAN THE POSSIBLE ACTIONS THEY MAY TAKE. AS SHARED IN THE MAYOR'S MESSAGE, THE CITY WILL EXERCISE LISLE RIGHT TO PURSUE COURTS IF JURISDICTIONS OR BURDENSOME OR THE RULES PROMULGATED. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: MR. PRESIDENT. THERE'S NO AMBIGUITY AS FAR AS WHAT THE COUNCIL IS DOING. THE COUNCIL SET UP THE AIR QUALITY BOARD. THE COUNCIL WORKED WITH THE COUNTY YEARS AGO TO SET THIS UP. THE COUNCIL FUNDS IT ENTIRELY. IT'S ENTIRELY FUNDED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. BY THE WAY THE COUNTY COMMISSION DOES NOT PAY ONE PENNY TO THE AIR QUALITY BOARD. WE'VE ALREADY SPENT OVER $250,000 BEFORE THIS HEARING STARTED THAT WAS NOT BUDGETED BY THIS COUNCIL. I IMAGINE WE'VE ALREADY SPENT ABOUT THAT MUCH NOW TODAY AND MORE AS WE GO. IT THERE'S NO AMBIGUITY AT ALL. THE CITY SET IT UP. THE CITY FUNDED IT. AND THE CITY ALSO IMPLEMENTS IT. THE CITY HAS A DEPARTMENT CALLED THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND THAT DEPARTMENT IMPLEMENTS AND EXECUTES EVERYTHING RELATED TO THE AIR QUALITY PROGRAMS. IT IS PART OF THE AIR QUALITY PROGRAM. THERE'S NO AMBIGUITY THERE. THERE'S NOTHING UNDEMOCRATIC ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING. COUNCILORS PRODUCE BILLS. THE MAYOR HAS A RIGHT TO VETO AND THE COUNCIL HAS A RIGHT TO OVERRIDE A VETO. THAT'S NOT OUTSIDE THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS. THERE'S NOTHING MORE DEMOCRATING THAN THAT AND URABILITY TO HEAR THOSE MATTERS. I'LL TELL YOU WHAT IS AMBIGUOUS. IT'S THE FACT THAT RIGHT NOW THERE'S A HEARING THAT THERE'S COURT ACTION THAT SAYS THAT HEARING IS ACTUALLY UNLAWFUL. THAT THIS AIR QUALITY BOARD SHOULD NOT BE HAVING THAT HEARING. IT IS COMPLETELY OUTSIDE OF THE JURISDICTION. THE ADMINISTRATION ABSOLUTELY AGREES WITH THAT. THE MAYOR AGREES WITH THAT. THEY SHOULD NOT BE HAVING THAT HEARING RIGHT NOW. REGARDING THAT. WE'RE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY ON THAT. WHERES THAT MONEY GOING TO COME FROM? THE COUNCIL ACTUALLY BUDGETS THAT MONEY. WE DIDN'T BUDGET FOR THIS HEARING. WE BUDGETED FOR ONE HEARING. WE HAVE THAT HEARING. BUT WE HAVE ANOTHER HEARING GOING ON. THAT'S AMBIGUOUS ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THIS HEARING GONE ON RIGHT NOW. IT'S ON OUR DIME AND WE DIDN'T BUDGET IT FOR IT. THE HEARING ITSELF WAS INTRODUCED COMPLETELY OUTSIDE OF OUR PROGRAM. THE EPA PROGRAM IS SET UP TO HEAR SPECIFIC RULES AND THINGS ARE INTRODUCED AND THIS WAS COMPLETELY OUTSIDE THAT PROCESS. SO, AGAIN, WE'VE ACKNOWLEDGED IT'S OUTSIDE JURISDICTION. THAT THE RESOURCES BEING SPENT SHOULD NOT BE SENT FOR THAT. OVERRIDE THIS VETO, YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE THIS RESOLUTION WOULD GO INTO EFFECT IMMEDIATELY. NOT EVEN TO MENTION ALL THE PRETTY REMARKABLE STATEMENTS THAT WERE MADE REGARDING THE LARGEST EMPLOYERS IN THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO. I HOPE EVERYBODY HEARD THAT LOUD AND CLEAR. I HOPE EVERYBODY IN THE ADMINISTRATION HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR WHAT KIRTLAND AIR FORCE BASE AND SANDIA LABS AND SPECIFICALLY ASKING US TO OVERTURN THESE VETOS BECAUSE THEY KNOW THE DAMAGE THAT THIS BOARD COULD CAUSE. SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE OF THIS RULE. I DO ASK WE SUPPORT AND OVERRIDE THE VETO. >>COUN. DAVIS: OTHER COUNCILORS COMMENTS? COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, AND I'LL RECOGNIZE MYSELF AND COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YOU MENTIONED POSSIBLE LAWSUITS DEALING WITH THIS. I CAN ONLY MOUN -- THE AMOUNT OF LAWSUITS BY THE LABS AND OTHER INDIVIDUALS FIGHTING FOR SURVIVAL BASICALLY. THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD BE DOING. SO, IN MY OPINION, WE NEED TO ACTUALLY MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF US ARE DOING WHAT'S RIGHT FOR OUR CITY ON BOTH SIDES OF THE MATTER. AND RIGHT NOW, WHAT I'M HEARING IS WE'RE ON ONE END OF THE SPECTRUM AND WE NEED TO BRING IT TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY AND AS A CITY COUNCIL AND IN MY OPINION I THINK IF WE ACTUALLY VOTE FOR THIS VETO OVERRIDE, WE'RE ACTUALLY PROTECTING THE CITIZENS OF ALBUQUERQUE, ALL OF US, IN OUR COMMUNITY. I THINK THAT IS WHAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT. BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT RESTRUCTURING THIS BOARD, MAKING THE BOARD -- A BOARD THAT WILL TAKE EVERYONE'S INTEREST IN MIND. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT WE LOOK AT IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE AS A COMMUNITY. WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE SURE TO HELP THIS COMMUNITY NOT DESTROY IT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR. I WANT TO ASK OUR LEGAL MINDS. WHOEVER WANTS TO BE ON POINT. I THINK WE'VE HEARD QUESTIONS -- AND I THINK THEY'RE GOOD ONES. IF THE COUNCIL OVERRIDES EITHER OF THE VETOES, LET'S SAY THE RESOLUTION ENACTS A MORATORIUM ON RULE MAKING ON THE IMPACT RULE, WE'VE HEARD THAT HEARING IS UNDERWAY. WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT? IS THERE A NOTICE REQUIREMENT? I KNOW THE CHARTER SAYS THAT ORDINANCES WE NEED TO HAVE PUBLIC NOTICE BEFORE THEY TAKE EFFECT. BUT IT'S SILENT ON RESOLUTION WHICH MEANS EITHER THE WISE FOUNDING FATHERS THOUGHT NO ONE WOULD DO THE RESOLUTION. WHAT DO WE THINK HAPPENS WITH THE RESOLUTION? WHAT IS THE IMPACT OF THE HEARING IN THE PROCESS THIS WEEK? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, THERE'S A DISTINCTION. THE CHARTER IS SPECIFIC AS TO ORDINANCES. WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WITH THOSE. AND THEY HAVE TO BE PUBLISHED. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE DEADLINE FOR PUBLICATION FALLS ON TUESDAY. IF YOU OVERRIDE THE ORDINANCE TONIGHT, WE WOULDN'T MAKE THAT DEADLINE. WE WOULDN'T MAKE THE TUESDAY DEADLINE. SO IT WOULD BE NEXT WEEK. AND THE JOURNAL WOULD PUBLISH ON FRIDAY AND THERE'S A FIVE-DAY PERIOD. WE KNOW THAT TIME FRAME FOR ORDINANCE WOULD TAKE EFFECT WITH THE CURRENT RULE MAKING IS SCHEDULE. IT'S SCHEDULED FOR TODAY UNTIL FRIDAY. WE DON'T KNOW THEY'LL FINISH BY FRIDAY AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'LL DO IF THEY DON'T FINISH BY FRIDAY. THE RESOLUTION IS DIFFERENT. THE CHARTER DOES NOT SPEAK TO RESOLUTION. IT'S UNFORTUNATELY NOT CLEAR HOW THAT WORKS. AND I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE MANY QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED IN THIS REGARD THAT WE DON'T KNOW AN ANSWER WITHOUT LEGAL PROCEEDING ON THIS. HOWEVER, WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS OUR NORMAL PROCEDURE IS THAT WHEN A RESOLUTION IS PASSED BY THE COUNCIL OR IN THIS CASE APPROVED TONIGHT, THAT'S THE WORD IN THE RULES, IT GOES TO THE CLERK WHO GIVES AN ENACTMENT NUMBER AND IT'S ENACTED. AT THE POINT WHEN IT IS ENACTED THAT'S WHEN IT WOULD BE EFFECT. THAT'S NOT A VERY LONG PROCESS, BUT IT NORMALLY DOES TAKE A DAY OR TWO. IT WOULD HAPPEN IN THE MIDDLE OFT PROCEEDING. I NOTE THE CLERK IS OUT THIS WEEK. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: MR. PRESIDENT, I -- I LIKE OUR LEGAL. I'D LIKE MR. MORROW TO ADD TO THAT. THIS IS A MORATORIUM. WHEN DOES THE RESOLUTION GO INTO EFFECT IF IT WERE VETOED? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR LEWIS, I AGREE LARGELY WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY IN THAT THERE IS A DEGREE OF AMBIGUITY. WE DON'T HAVE DEFINITIVE ANSWER. I WOULD SAY THE NEW MEXICO CONSTITUTION DOES ALLOW THE STATE LEGISLATURE AND THE ACTS NECESSARY FOR PRESERVATION OF THE PUBLIC PEACE, HEALTH OR SAFETY. SUCH ACTS SHALL TAKE AFFECT IMMEDIATELY UPON PASSAGE AND APPROVAL. I THINK THERE IS CERTAINLY AN ARGUMENT TO BE MADE THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD FALL INTO A VERY SIMILAR PERSPECTIVE. AS THE CITY ATTORNEY SAID, THERE'S NOT A DEFINITIVE ANSWER AS TO WHAT A COURT WOULD RULE. THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHAT WE RELY UPON. >>COUN. LEWIS: THERE'S LANGUAGE THAT SAYS IMMEDIATELY UPON APPROVAL? >> YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: IMMEDIATELY UPON APPROVAL. YOU CAN LOOK AT THE SPIRIT OF IT. IF YOU HAVE A HEARING THAT MIGHT BE SCHEDULED FOR THE NEXT DA -- THIS IS DIFFERENT. I KNOW THE CITY ATTORNEY POINTED OUT AN ORDINANCE THAT HAS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DAYS BEFORE IT GOES INTO LAW. A RESOLUTION IS DIFFERENT. SPECIFICALLY THIS RESOLUTION WOULD BE IMMEDIATE UPON IN -- ENACTION. WHEN YOU HAVE A RESOLUTION THAT SAYS NO CITY RESOURCES CAN BE USED AND YOU HAVE A HEARING CONTINUING WHERE CITY RESOURCES ARE BEING USED AND A STATEMENT BY THIS COUNCIL, THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE, A STATEMENT THAT SAYS IT'S UNLAWFUL, YOU KNOW, IT IS OUT OF THE JURISDICTION OF AN AIR QUALITY BOARD TO ACTUALLY HAVE MEETINGS AND PROCEED WITH THAT KIND OF RULING THAT HAPPENS THE EVENING BEFORE, I THINK THERE'S LOT OF CLARITY THERE. I THINK THERE'S MORE CLARITY THAN AMBIGUITY. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR. LET ME GET BACK QUICKLY AND I'LL GO TO COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN AND WE'LL CLOSE ON THE QUESTION. I'M REALLY TORN ON THIS. SOME FOLKS KNOW, I HAD MEETINGS AS LATE AS 4:30 ABOUT DIFFERENT PROCESSES. THERE'S A PROCESS AND PROCEDURE ARGUMENT AND PRACTICAL ARGUMENT. WE UNDERSTAND WE'RE TALKING THAT THIS WHOLE MATTER WAS BROUGHT BY THE SPONSOR BECAUSE OF CONCERNS AND DESIRES BY THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE A HEARING ON THE CUMULATIVE IMPACT WHICH IS IMPORTANT AND NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED. HOW WE GET THERE DOES MATTER. I THINK IT'S UNLIKELY THAT THERE'S ANY CHANCE THIS DOESN'T END UP AS OUR CITY ATTORNEY MENTIONED, NO MATTER WHAT, WHETHER IT'S IN SOME COURT, WHETHER IT'S ON A PROCESS MATTER, OR AN ACTION OF THE AIR QUALITY BOARD THAT GOES TO THE BOARD OF APPEALS. I THINK WE TRY TO DO OUR BEST TO CREATE THE BEST RECORD AND CREATE THE BEST PROCESS TO ENSURE THERE'S A FAIR HEARING. MY CONCERN HERE, QUITE FRANKLY, IS THAT THE FOLKS -- THE ADVOCATES FOR THE PETITIONERS THE ORIGINAL PETITIONER HAVE WORKED FOR 20 YEARS TO GET A HEARING AND BE SURE THEY GOT TO BE HEARD. AND I WANT TO BALANCE THE LEGAL EXPERTS. AS PROPOSED THIS IS OUTSIDE THE SCOPE AND WHETHER THAT RULE CAN BE APPLIED. IF THAT ENDS UP IN COURT THAT ENDS UP IN CURRENT AND FUTURE APPLICATIONS WHICH INCLUDE MORE THAN TWO DOZEN PETITION APPLICATIONS AND APPEALS AND PETITIONS BEFORE THE AIR QUALITY BOARD. SOME FOR EXISTING PERMITS AND OPERATIONS ESSENTIAL TO THE COMMUNITY AND UNIVERSITY CAMPUS AND SANDIA AND KIRTLAND. AND CONSTRUCTION PERMITS THAT ARE ON A TIMELY MANNER FOR -- I'VE BEEN HERE FOR EIGHT YEARS, BUT FIRST TIME WE EVER HAD A NATIONAL SECURITY DISCUSSION AT THE ALBUQUERQUE CITY COUNCIL MEETING. HERE WE ARE. SOME OF THE THEM HAVE OTHER IMPLICATIONS. I'M INCLINED TO OVERRIDE THE RESOLUTION AND ENACT THE MORATORIUM BECAUSE THE CITY AND COUNTY HAVE EXPRESSED INTEREST THROUGH COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN'S OTHER MEASURES TO CREATE A MORE STRUCTURED PROCESS TO DECIDE HOW THAT DEAL WITH THOSE -- OPEN QUESTIONS. -- SO, I'M SORT OF INCLINED TO GIVE PEOPLE A LITTLE BREATHING ROOM TO THINK THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND DECIDE THE RIGHT PROCESS FOR DECIDING THE YES AND NO AND THE RULES FOR THE PROCESS SO WE CAN POTENTIALLY AVOID LITIGATION. I WANT TO EXPLAIN WHY I'M THINKING ABOUT THAT AND WHY IT'S IMPORTANT THAT I BELIEVE IT DOES MATTER WE HAVE A HEARING. AND THAT EVERYBODY AGREES IT COULD BE DONE AND IN THE RIGHT WAY. WE CAN'T HAVE THAT UNCERTAINTY AND AMBIGUITY ON THE APPLICATION SIDE AND PERMIT SIDE AND COMMUNITY SIDE. I WANT TO SEE THAT PROCESS MOVE FORWARD AND I WANT THE STAKEHOLDERS THAT WILL BE HERE NEXT YEAR TO COME UP WITH THE WAY THEY WANT THIS TO WORK SO IT CAN BE DONE AND HAVE FUTURE RUL MAKING IN A TRANSPARENT WAY. I'M INCLINED TO OVERRIDE THE VETO ON THE RESOLUTION TO HAVE THE MORATORIUM AND THE OTHER WORK FOR THE BOARD CAN CONTINUE. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS. I HEARD A COUPLE OF TIMES WITH THE CITIZENS DIVISION WAS OUTSIDE OF OUR PROGRAM. IT IS LEGAL FOR A CITIZEN TO PETITION OUR AIR QUALITY BOARD. IS THAT CORRECT? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, YES IT IS. AND I GUESS I WOULD ADD THAT THE PROCESS THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IS A VOLUNTARY PRE-PETITION PROCESS. THAT THE AIR QUALITY PROGRAM ADOPTED BUT IT IS VOLUNTARY. IT'S NOT MANDATORY. THE COMPLAINT YOU'RE HEARING IS THAT PROCESS OFTEN HELPS PARTIES WORK THROUGH ISSUES BEFORE THE FILING AND THAT DID NOT TAKE PLACE IN THIS INSTANCE. ABSOLUTELY, OFTEN IT'S EHD THAT FILES THE PETITIONS BUT CITIZENS ARE ALLOWED. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THE CITIZENS OF MOUNTAIN VIEW COALITION HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS ISSUE FOR 20 YEARS. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK WITH ALL INTERESTED PARTIES OVER THE YEARS. AND IT IS NOT THEIR FAULT THAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH DEPARTMENT OF THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE DID NOT PICK THIS UP AND MOVE THE WAY THEY SHOULD HAVE. THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT AFTER 20 YEARS OF ASKING TO HAVE THEIR OWN PETITION FILED. THEY BROKE NO RULES. THEY DID EVERYTHING BY THE BOOK. AND WE THINK WE DON'T LIKE WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY SO WE'RE GOING TO SHUT THEM DOWN LITERALLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THEIR HEARING, WE'RE SAYING YOU DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO BE HEARD IN YOUR OWN COMMUNITY BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT AS IMPORTANT AS THE REST OF THE PEOPLE. AS THE BUSINESSES HERE. YOU'RE NOT AS IMPORTANT TO THESE BODY SO PLEASE BE QUIET AND WE'LL MAKE YOU BE QUIET. I THINK THAT IS REP RERENESABLE. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE AIR QUALITY BOARD IS GOING TO DO. BUT THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO HAVE THEIR VOICE HEARD. I HEAR THERE'S THIS STRUCTURED PROCESS THAT I'M PROPOSING. LET ME BE VERY CLEAR, THE STRUCTURED PROCESS I'M PROPOSING IS NOT TO STOP THESE FOLKS FROM BEING HEARD. THE STRUCTURED PROCESS I'M PROPOSING IS TO SAY WE NEED TO WORK WITH OUR PARTNERS AT THE COUNTY WHO HAVE NOT BEEN INVOLVED AND NOT AGREED IT THIS RESOLUTION AND MORATORIUM ON THE PEOPLE'S VOICES BEING HEARD. I THINK WE NEED TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY TO DETERMINE SOMETHING THAT CAN MOVE FORWARD IF THERE ARE STRUCTURAL ISSUES WITH THE AIR QUALITY BOARD, WE SHOULD DETERMINE WHAT THOSE ARE AND ADDRESS THEM. I AM IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM SAYING WE SHOULD MOVE ALONG WITHOUT THE COUNTY AND QUIET THE COALITION AND ALL OF THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY AT THIS POINT. IT IS NOT OKAY. I HEARD THAT SOME FOLKS ARE INCLINED TO DO THIS AND THAT AND THE OTHER. I'M NOT INCLINED TO TELL THE CITIZENS OF OUR COMMUNITY THEIR VOICE DOESN'T MATTER, THEIR HEALTH DOESN'T MATTER SKWRB -- AND THEY'RE JUST NOT IMPORTANT. THANKS. >>COUN. DAVIS: ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE MOVE TO A VOTE? SEEING NONE. THE MOTION IS TO OVERRIDE THE MAYORS VETO. A YES VOTE WOULD IMPLEMENT THE MORATORIUM AND RESOLUTION AND NO VOTE SUSTAINS THE MAYOR'S VETO. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. SIX VOTES ARE NEEDED TO OVERRIDE. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: NO. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: NO. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES ON A 7-2 VOTE. SGRD ON . >>COUN. DAVIS: ON A 7-2 IT'S OVERRIDDEN. EC-404 IS VETO OF 8080. THE JOINT AIR QUALITY BOARD ORDINANCE ABOLISHING THE CURRENT BOARD AND ADOPTING CHAPTER NINE ARTICLE FIVE THE JOINT AIR QUALITY BOARD ORDINANCE CREATING THE BOARD. AGAIN, IF THE COUNCILOR WISHES TO MAKE AN OVERRIDE THEY MAKE A MOTION TO OVERRIDE. I DON'T HAVE TO READ THE REST. I KNOW COUNCILOR LEWIS WILL MAKE A MOTION. >>COUN. LEWIS: I MOVE TO OVERRIDE. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND FROM COUNCILOR GROUT. WE'RE IN THE SAME DISCUSSION. NEED SIX VOTES TO MAKE A VOTE TO OVERRIDE. IS THERE DISCUSSION? >>COUN. LEWIS: MR. PRESIDENT. A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS SPECIFICALLY. I WON'T GO OVER ALL THE MAJOR POINTS. WE'VE HAD A LOT OF GOOD MAJOR DISCUSSION ABOUT THE MAKE UP OF THE BOARD AND HOW IMPORTANT THAT OUR FOUR APPOINTES HAVE DIVERSITY. DIVERSITY PROFESSIONALLY. SO WE LAID OUT SOME CRITERIA THAT WE THINK WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE THAT WOULD BE ON A BOARD LIKE THIS. AND THE SAME WAY WE LAY OUT CRITERIA FOR THE EPC OR MANY OF THE BOARDS. EPC REPRESENTS NINE CITY COUNCIL DISTRICTS. GEOGRAPHICALLY. THERE ARE OTHER BOARDS THAT IF YOU WANT TO SERVE ON YOU HAVE TO HAVE PROFESSIONAL BACKGROUND TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. WE LAID OUT CRITERIA. WE MADE STATEMENTS REGARDING THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT. THERE'S ACCUSATIONS OF THIS BOARD THAT EVEN THE CURRENT HEARING RIGHT NOW DIDN'T HAVE PROPER NOTICE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. LET'S MAKE SURE THIS AIR QUALITY BOARD IS ABOVE REPROACH IN THAT REGARD. THIS GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS WE HOLD OURSELVES TO THE SAME ACCOUNTABILITY THAT WE'RE HOLDING THE AIR QUALITY BOARD TO. WE OVERRIDE THIS AND WE HAVE EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY COMMISSION. THIS DOES NOT AFFECT ANYTHING THAT THE COUNTY COMMISSION DOES. THEY CAN CHOOSE TO MAKE OTHER CHANGES. WE COULD CHOOSE AS WE HAVE TWO OTHER PROPOSALS WE WILL HEAR LATER TONIGHT TO FORM A COMMITTEE AND COME TOGETHER AND TALK WITH THE BOARD WITH ABOUT THINGS WE CAN DO TO MAKE THE AIR QUALITY BOARD BETTER. YOU KNOW, WE SHOULDN'T WAIT ON THE COUNTY COMMISSION TO BE ABLE TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS LIKE THIS. OTHERWISE, LET'S GET UNIFICATION WITH THE COUNTY. LET'S FORM ONE GOVERNMENT. OTHERWISE, WE'RE THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. AND LIKE I SAID, THE MAYOR IS SO CONCERNED ABOUT THE COUNTY COMMISSION, HE SHOULD BE A COUNTY COMMISSIONER. WE'RE THE CITY COUNCIL. THIS IS FOR THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. IT NEEDS HIM AND NEEDS US TO BE ABLE TO CREATE AN AIR QUALITY BOARD THAT HAS SOME GOOD BEST PRACTICES AND ACCOUNTABILITY TO IT. THAT'S WHAT THIS DOES. IT'S VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD. IF WE GET TO WORK ON THIS IN THE NEXT 30 DAYS THE MAYOR COULD SUGGEST FOUR MORE QUALIFIED PEOPLE. AND THIS COUNCIL COULD, THE FIRST PART OF JANUARY, HAVE NEW MEMBERS IN PLACE AND THIS BOARD COULD BE WORKING AND BACK TO WHAT WE'RE DOING ALONG WITH A JOINT COMMITTEE WHERE WE WOULD PUT SOME NEW THINGS IN PLACE ALONG WITH THE COMMISSION THAT WOULD BE GOOD FOR IT TO DO WITH BEST PRACTICES. THAT'S WHAT THIS DOES. ANY QUESTIONS, OUR LEGAL WOULD ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS ON IT REGARDING THIS BILL. I DO URGE THAT WE OVERRIDE THIS AS WELL. >>COUN. DAVIS: IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR ANYTHING FURTHER FROM THE ADMINISTRATION? I KNOW YOU COVERED MOST OF THAT. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, I BELIEVE MY COMMENTS EARLIER STAND FOR THIS MATTER AS WELL. >>COUN. DAVIS: OTHER COUNCILORS? LET ME SAY, THE THING THAT CONCERN MEEZ -- CONCERNS ME ABOUT THIS ONE, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CURRENT PERMITS BEFORE THIS BOARD AND A NUMBER OF THINGS INCLUDING FOR SOME OF THE BIG TICKET FOLKS THAT SHOWED UP THIS EVENING THAT HAVE PENDING PERMITS, RENEWALES, POTENTIAL FOR APPEALS AND THERE'S QUESTION ABOUT WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN WITH HOW A LACK OF A BOARD MIGHT BE ABLE TO FACILITATE THOSE PERMITS AND ANY POTENTIAL APPEALS AND ADJUDICATE THOSE IN A TIMELY MANNER FOR PERMITS THAT CURRENTLY EXIST. AND SO, I CONSIDERED THIS A LOT AND I HEARD BEST INTENTIONS SOMETIMES END UP WITH PERFECT PROCESSES NONETHELESS. I THINK THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF THAT. I'M CONCERNED THAT THE UNDERLYING ORDINANCE THROWS OUT THE BOARD AND LEAVES US WITHOUT A BOARD AND PUTS IN QUESTION -- LEAVE SERIOUS QUESTIONS OVER EVERYBODY'S HEAD OF THE STATUS OF THE PERMITS AND POTENTIAL OF NEW CONSTRUCTION PERMITS THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN APPROVED. I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED HAVING LEARNED THERE ARE MORE THAN TWO DOZEN PERMITS IN PROCESS AT THE BOARD. I'M CONCERNED WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T HAVE A BOARD IN THE MEANTIME. SO, COUNCILOR LEWIS, I KNOW YOU LOOKED AT THIS A LITTLE BIT AND HAD FOLKS TO DO IT AS WELL. HAVING DETERMINED THAT WE PASSED THE RESOLUTION ON THAT MORATORIUM ON THE NEW RULE MAKING, AGAIN, I'M INCLINED TO BE SURE THE BOARD EXISTS FOR A STANDARD PERMITTING FUNCTION REQUIRED UNTIL EVERYBODY CAN GET TOGETHER AND DECIDE WHAT TO DO NEXT. >>COUN. LEWIS: MR. PRESIDENT, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE ARE NO APPEALS BEFORE THE BOARD RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE NO APPEALS RIGHT NOW. AND THERE'S SOMEBODY FROM THE DEPARTMENT THAT CAN SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THAT. IF THERE WERE APPEALS, I THINK IT WOULD BE SEVERAL MEETINGS, MONTHS OF BEFORE THOSE WOULD BE INTRODUCED AND HEARD. BY THE WAY, WE HAVE THE ABILITY, IF THE MAYOR DOESN'T MAKE APPOINTMENTS IN 30 DAYS, THEN THIS COUNCIL DOES IN 30 DAYS. YOU CAN SAY BY THE TIME THIS BOARD MEETS AGAIN REGULARLY, WE COULD HAVE THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD BACK TOGETHER. DEPUTY DIRECTOR, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE COMMENT ON THAT AS TAR AS PERMITS. >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, WITH RESPECT TO COUNCIL, ALL PERMITTING ACTIVITIES ISSUANCE DENIALS IT'S WITHIN THE AIR QUALITY PROGRAMS. THE AIR BOARD DOES NOT HAVE REVIEW OF ANY PERMITS UNLESS APPEALED. AS COUNCILOR LEWIS STATED, THERE ARE NO CURRENT APPLICATIONS IN APPEALS TO THE BOARD. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR LEWIS, CAN I FOLLOW THAT? OKAY, A BIG TICKET ONE IS KIRTLAND, UNM HAS A NEW CONSTRUCTION PERMIT, AIR QUALITY CONSTRUCTION PERMIT. IF ONE WAS TO BE APPEALED AND THERE WAS NO BOARD TO HEAR THEM, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE RESOLUTION OR THE ORDINANCE CALL FOR THE MAYOR OR THE COUNCIL TO APPOINT A NEW BOARD. I THINK COUNTY HAS INDICATED THEY WOULD BE INCLINED TO LITIGATE THE LEGALITY OF THIS SO THAT MIGHT LEAD THAT BOARD IN SOME FLUX FOR SOME TIME. WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMEONE WANTS TO APPEAL THAT? WE DON'T HAVE A BOARD TO HEAR IT. I GUESS THEY CAN START OPERATING UNDER THAT PERMIT BUT THEY WOULD BE IN JEOPARDY IF THE BOARD SHOWED UP ONE DAY AND WERE TO OVERTURN THAT THROUGH THUPEEL PROCESS AT A LATER DATE. >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR LEWIS, HYPOTHETICALLY IF WE GET AN APPEAL ON A PERMIT TODA -- IF THEY ISSUED PERMIT TODAY, ANYBODY THAT WAS PART OF A PUBLIC INFORMATION HEARING HAS 30 DAYS. WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY OF THOSE RIGHT NOW. HYPOTHETICALLY, THERE'S NOBODY THAT IS CURRENTLY IN APPEAL. WE NEED TO HAVE A PUBLIC INFORMATION ALREADY OR HEARING. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >>COUN. DAVIS: IT DOES. I MIGHT SEE AN APPEAL ON THE CLEAN CAR RULE COME. OR SOMETHING TRIED TO FILE ONE I RECALL. >> I'M NOT AWARE OF AN APPEAL ON THE CLEAN CAR RULE. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF OVERRIDING WOULD VOTE YES. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: NO. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: NO. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: NO. >> THAT PASSES ON A 6-3 VOTE. >>COUN. DAVIS: THAT MATTER CARRIES. CITY COUNCIL OVERRIDES THE VETO. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE REALLY QUICKLY. WE HAVE TWO RESOLUTIONS POTENTIALLY DECIDING ON HOW TO GO FORWARD. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, YOU THE FIRST. AND WE'LL TAKE A BREAK AFTER THAT. >>COUN. LEWIS: MR. PRESIDENT. POINT OF CLARIFICATION. SHOULD WE DO THIS AT THE SAME TIME. THEY'RE REALLY THE SAME BILL. >>COUN. DAVIS: IF COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, COUNCILOR BENTON, COUNCILOR PEÑA FEEL THAT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME TO SAY. WE HAVE TO FOLLOW OUR RULES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. YOU'RE WELCOME TO LEAVE. MR. MORA, THAT'S ENOUGH. I'LL ASK THE SECURITY OFFER TO ESCORT HIM FROM THE ROOM. SHE'S >> THIS IS R-198. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THE RECOMMENDED APPROVEMENTS TO THE AIR QUALITY CORAL BOARD. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. DAVIS: IS THERE SECOND? COUNCILOR PEÑA OFFERS A SECOND. LET'S GO FIRST TO THE PUBLIC COMMENTERS. VERY BRIEFLY, WE HAVE A FEW HERE. LET'S TAKE HER ON BOTH SINCE SHE'S ON BOTH. IF SHE WILL ALLOW US TO DO THAT. LET'S TRY THAT REAL QUICK. >> OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS JACKIE FOLLOWED BY ROBERT. >> HELLO, COUNCILORS, I'M HERE REPRESENTING UNM LEADERS FOR ENVIRONMENTAL ACTION AND FORESIGHT. I MENTIONED I WILL GO AN OFF SCRIPT, WHILE I'M DISAPPOINTED IN THE VOTES I THINK THIS IS SALVAGEABLE. WE NEED TO BE WORKING WITH THE COUNTY REGARDLESS OF WHAT DECISION WE JUST MADE. TO EASE THE-TENSION BETWEEN CITY AND COUNTY LEADERSHIP. THIS PROVIDE AS THOUGHTFUL SET OF NEXT STEPS TO ADDRESS INDUSTRY CONCERNS IN A WAY THAT IS CONSTRUCTIVE AND LEAVES THE AIR BOARD IN A BETTER PLACE GOING FORWARD. IT PROMOTES TRANSPARENCY AND AS SOME COUNCILORS WOULD SAY GOOD GOVERNANCE. I ASK YOU TO SUPPORT THIS OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH COUNTY PARPTS TOWARD TRANSPARENCY AND GOOD GOVERN RNS AND VOTE YES ON THIS RESOLUTION. THANK YOU. >> ROBERT FOLLOWED BY LAUREL ON ZOOM. YOU'RE AFTER ROBERT. >>COUN. DAVIS: I DON'T SEE HIM ANYMORE. >> LAUREL ON ZOOM. >> OKAY, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? >> WE CAN HEAR YOU. PLEASE PROCEED. >> THE REASON THAT I WENT ON ZOOM IS I WAS GOING TO TIE TO -- TRY TO APPEAR IN PERSON. I SAID I HAVEN'T BEEN FEELING VERY WELL. I HAVE A TRIPLE BYPASS. I AM DIABETIC, I HAVE HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE. I'M 79 YEARS OLD. I'M ON OXYGEN. I LIVE IN MOUNTAIN VIEW. I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE MOUNTAIN VIEW NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. MY DAUGHTER IS ON OXYGEN 24-7. WE GET THREE TANKS, 100-POUND TANKS OF LIQUID OXYGEN OVER TWO WEEKS. 24-7. SHE HAS SERIOUS OXYGEN DEFICIENCY. WE LIVE IN MOUNTAIN VIEW. IT'S NOT TRUE THAT WE DID NOT MEET WITH THE INDUSTRY. WE MET AT THE MOUNTAIN VIEW COMMUNITY CENTER AND THERE WAS ABOUT 63 PEOPLE AT THAT MEETING. AND A BUNCH OF THEIR LAWYERS. AND SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE, MR. CALLEDWELL WAS PRESENT. AND AFTERWARDS HE WANTED TO MEET WITH ME AND I GAVE HIM MY PHONE NUMBER SO WE CAN TALK TOGETHER AND TALK. HIS COMPANY IS RIGHT ACROSS THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. WE MET WITH INDUSTRY, THAT IS NOT TRUE. THERE'S A BUNCH OF UNTRUTHS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID. I THINK THAT IF PEOPLE READ CAREFULLY THE RESOLUTION THAT WE HAVE PRESENTED THE PETITION WE PRESENTED TO THE AIR BOARD, READ IT CAREFULLY SO YOU UNDERSTAND AND ENCOURAGED EVERYONE NOT ONLY THE CITY COUNCILORS BUT ALL OF YOU. EVERYONE WHO IS INVOLVED. THERE'S A LOT OF UNTRUTHS THAT HAVE BEEN SPOKEN BY NOT ONLY SANDIA. >> YOUR TIME IS UP. >> I SERVE ON THE CITIZENS ADVISORY BOARD FOR SANDIA NATIONAL LAB FOR REMEDIAL ENVIRONMENTAL RED MEDIATION. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT. I APOLOGIZE. WE'RE OUT OF TIME UNFORTUNATELY. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: LET ME GO BRIEFLY TO THE ADMINISTRATION IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THIS LEGISLATION AND WE HAVE ONE AMENDMENT AND WE'LL SEE WHERE WE LAND. ANYTHING ON THIS LEGISLATION? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE APPRECIATE THE JOINT RESOLUTION THAT WAS WORKED ON WITH -- AND SPONSORED BY THREE COUNCILORS. FOR US TO WORK TOGETHER WITH BERNALILLO COUNTY. I THINK THIS RESOLUTION HAS REALLY STRONG ELEMENTS TO IT. INCLUDING THE FACT THAT IT INCLUDES SHARED FUNDING FOR THE OPERATIONS BETWEEN BOTH THE COUNTY AND THE CITY. ALSO ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL EXPERTISE TO BE PROVIDED TO THE WORKING TEAM. IT ALLOWS FOR A REASONABLE TIME FRAME FOR US TO IMPLEMENT THAT TEAM AND ENSURE THAT THEY ARE EFFECTIVELY CONSIDERING THE MANY DIFFERENT AREAS OF EXPERTISE ACROSS THAT PROCESS. IT IS ALSO VERY IMPORTANT IT IS IDENTICAL TO OUR -- OUR COUNCILORS WORKED WITH THE CHIGZ TO ENSURE THE LANGUAGE IS IDEPTICAL BETWEEN THE TWO RESOLUTION TO WORK TOGETHER AND ENSURE THE MIRROR RESOLUTION CAN BE ADOPTED. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE HAVE ONE AMENDMENT BY COUNCILOR GROUT. COUNCILOR GROUT, DO YOU WANT TO OFFER YOUR AMENDMENT? >>COUN. GROUT: I WANTED OFFER FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. CAN YOU PLACE THAT ON THE SCREEN? OKAY SOMEBODY. OKAY, IT IS ADDING ON, ONLINE THREE, PAGE THREE, LINE THREE, ADD INSERTING THE FOLLOWING, ADDING A SCIENTIST REPRESENTATIVE FROM A FEDERAL RESEARCH AGENCY SUCH ADSANDIA NATIONAL LABS OR AIR FORCE RESOURCE LABS. THE EXPLANATION IS THIS ADDS A FEDERAL RESEARCH SCIENTIST FROM A NATIONAL LABORATORY LOCATED IN BERNALILLO COUNTY AS A NON-VOTING MEMBER ON THE AIR QUALITY CONTROL BOARD WORKING GROUP. >>COUN. DAVIS: IS THERE A SECOND? >>COUN. LEWIS: I'LL DEFINITELY SECOND IT. IT'S A SCIENTIST. WE'RE SAYING SCIENTIST? >>COUN. GROUT: SCIENTIST REPRESENTATIVE. >>COUN. LEWIS: I JUST DON'T KNOW TO -- A BETTER TERM. LAKE I THINK THE REPRESENTATIVE HANDLED MORE OF A VP OF FACILITIES PROJECTS. I GUESS WHEN I THINK OF SCIENCETISTS I THINK OF THE GUYS THAT ARE JUST WORKING ON THE SCIENTIFIC THING GOING ON AT THE LABS NOT THE PEOPLE BUILDING THE BUILDING NECESSARY TO DO THE WORK. I APOLOGIZE ON THAT. I THINK MAYBE THERE'S A BETTER WORD TO DESCRIBE THAT PEOPLE IN THAT INDUSTRY AT THE LABS. >>COUN. GROUT: MR. MORROW, WOULD YOU HAVE A BETTER IDEA? >> WE DID HAVE A SPEAKER FROM SANDIA LABS. HE HAS A Ph.D. IN BIO ENGINEERING. AND HE'S A LICENSED ENGINEER. HE'S A SCIENTIST. I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IT MIGHT BE TOO NARROW. >>COUN. LEWIS: THERE'S HEAVILY SMART PEOPLE. >>COUN. GROUT: WHAT IF WE ELIMINATED SCIENTIST AND PUT REPRESENTATIVE FROM A FEDERAL RESEARCH AGENCY? >>COUN. LEWIS: COULD WE SAY AT A CERTAIN LEVEL? >>COUN. GROUT: WHAT WOULD YOU RECOMMEND? >>COUN. LEWIS: I GUESS I'M FINE WITH THE AMENDMENT. I'M DISAPPOINTED -- THIS IS A MIRROR OF THE COUNTY. IT'S LIKE WE'RE SO PROUD OF THE COUNTY'S BILL. LIKE WE LOVE THE COUNTY F >>COUN. DAVIS: LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. HERE'S YOUR WITH A ONE-MINUTE AMERICANING. WE'LL ASK YOU TO TAKE YOUR SEAT AND WE'LL GET STARTED AS SOON AS EVERYONE GETS SETTLED. WE 22 THINGS IN LESS THAN AN HOUR. WHERE DID WE LEAVE OFF BEFORE I GOT US SIDETRACKED. COUNCILOR BASSAN'S FAVORITE PART. ANNOUNCEMENTS. LET'S BACK UP JUST A SECOND. THERE WILL BE A STUDY SESSION AT WEDNESDAY DECEMBER 6 IN THE COUNCIL COMMITTEE ROOM. RELATED TO THE GIBSON HEALTH HUB. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: MR. PRESIDENT, THERE WILL BE AN INTERGOVERNMENTAL LEGISLATIVE RELATIONS COMMITTEE MEETING ON WEDNESDAY DECEMBER 6 AT 3 P.M. VIA ZOOM. IS. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I'M TRYING TO FIND MY PAGE EIGHT. THANK YOU. FRIDAY DECEMBER 8 AT 5:30. WE'LL HAVE THE TREE LIGHTING WITH GUARDIANS OF THE CHILDREN TO REMEMBER AND CELEBRATE THE YOUTH WE LOST TO VIOLENCE AND ABUSE. I HOPE EVERYONE CAN JOIN US. MR. PRESIDENT. THANK YOU. THERE WILL BE A FINANCE AND GOVERNMENT UPERATIONS MEETING ON MONDAY DECEMBER 11th AT 5 P.M. VIA. SGLP . >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THERE WILL BE A LAND USE PLANNING -- THIS WOULD BE A HIBRAID. >>COUN. DAVIS: THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR DECEMBER 18 IS CANCELED. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO CONSENT. THAT'S WHERE WE LEFT OFF. IS THAT RIGHT? ANY CHANGES THE CONSENT AGENDA? COUNCILOR LEWIS, I THINK YOU HAD AN ITEM TO DISCUSS. >>COUN. LEWIS: I DO. MR. PRESIDENT, I'D LIKE TO PULL R-179. >>COUN. DAVIS: ITEM Q WILL BE REMOVED. I'M GOING TO PULL ITEM G OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA. ANY OTHER CHANGES TO THE CONSENT AGENDA? >>COUN. GROUT: MR. PRESIDENT, I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. >>COUN. DAVIS: AS ALWAYS WE SAY THANK YOU TO THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC APPOINTED TO SERVE ON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOUR WORK. SEEING NO OTHER DISCUSSION. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR BENTON IS EXCUSED. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES ON A 7-0 VOTE. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR LEWIS, YOU HAVE 179. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. 179 -- I'M GOING TO READ THE FIRST FEW SENTENCES. THIS IS APPROVING THE APPLICATION AND PETITION OF PULLTE HOMES FOR ADMISSION OF THE STATE AT THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT PURSUANT TO THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT ACT. THIS IS INITIATED A PID. I THOUGHT WE -- >> WE'RE HAVING TECHNICAL PROBLEMS. CAN WE WAIT A MINUTE REAL QUICK. . >>COUN. DAVIS: SURE. TEST >> >> CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> MR. PRESIDENT, IT'S BEEN TAKEN CARE OF. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR LEWIS, I WASN'T ABLE TO HEAR YOU ANYWAY. 179. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. IT'S -- PULLING THIS OFF CONSENT AGENDA SO WE CAN GET THIS APPROVED TONIGHT. I BELIEVE IT'S UNDER A TIMELINE. I AM GOING TO MOVE APPROVAL. THIS IS APPROVING THE APPLICATION AND PETITION OF PULTE HOME FOR FORMATION OF THE IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT. >>COUN. DAVIS: MOTION AND SECOND. IS THERE A FLOOR SUB? IS THAT WHAT I UNDERSTAND? >>COUN. LEWIS: YEAH, I'M GOING TO MOVE THE FLOOR SUB. FIRST, JUST MAKE SURE I'M DOING THIS CORRECTLY. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: MOTION AND SECOND FOR THE FLOOR SUBSTITUTE. ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. I'M SORRY, COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT AGAIN, I'M SURE WE KNOW WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD AND THEIR UNDERSTANDING. PLEASE BRIEFLY EXPLAIN THE FLOOR SUB. I IMAGINE IT'S NUMBERS, PROBABLY. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN, I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION. OUR BOND ATTORNEY IS HERE AND WILL HELP ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS WE HAVE. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. COUNCILOR BASSAN, THIS RESOLUTION FORMS LA CONQUISTA DISTRICTS WHICH WILL RELATE TO RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS ON THE WEST SIDE JUST AT PASEO AND EAST OF UNSER. IT'S 248 HOMES. PULTE IS THE DEVELOPER. THERE ARE READY TO ROLL. THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD 248 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. THEIR APPLICATION IS MUNICIPAL DOCUMENTS WE REVIEWED. WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH FORMATION OF THE RESOLUTION. THE FLOOR SUBSTITUTE IS JUST A FILL IN A COUPLE BLANKS AS TO DISTRICT MEMBERSHIP THAT WAS DIFFERENT AS INTRODUCED. >>COUN. DAVIS: I'LL ASK THE CLERK TO PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES AN 7-0 VOTE. >>COUN. DAVIS: I UNDERSTAND IN THE MATTER OF EC396 THE APPLICANT HAS WITHDRAWN THEIR CONSIDERATION? IS THAT WHAT I UNDERSTAND BEFORE I MAKE A MOTION? >> MR. PRESIDENT. THAT'S CORRECT. >>COUN. DAVIS: AT THE REQUEST OF THE ADMINISTRATION I'LL MOVE TO WITHDRAWAL. SECOND FROM COUNCILOR GROUT. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE ON THE MOTION TO WITHDRAWAL. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, DIDN'T WE JUST VOTE ON THE FLOOR SUB. BUT DID WE VOTE -- >>COUN. DAVIS: I APOLOGIZE. WE'RE TRYING TO SORT OUT THIS OTHER ONE TOO. I APOLOGIZE. LET'S GET US BACK TOGETHER. BEFORE WE DOTHE OTHER ONE, LET'S DO THIS ONE. R-179 AS SUBSTITUTED. MY APOLOGIES. WE'RE CAUGHT UP IN THE TECHNICAL MATTER. I'M SORRY. I TOLD YOU WE WOULD DO THIS. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES ON AN 8-0 VOTE. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU FOR THE COLLEAGUES PUTTING US ON TRACK. AT THE REQUEST OF THE ADMINISTRATION I MOVE A WITHDRAWAL. SECOND FROM COUNCILOR GROUT. ANY DISCUSSION. SEEING NONE. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> 8-0, PASSES. >>COUN. DAVIS: ON OUR AGENDA NEXT UP IS FINANCIAL INSTRUMENTS. FOR R-191 DO PASS. RELATES TO A SALE OF MRA PROJECT IN THE NOB HILL RDA AND REDEVELOPMENT APPLICATION ENTITLED THE 66 TAX ABATEMENT APPLICATION AND OTHER THINGS THEREOF. I SEE MR. BRUNER. SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THESE ITEMS. COUNCILOR GROUT SAYS THERE IS. >> WE HAVE JAVIER. THAT'S ALL OUR SPEAKERS. >>COUN. DAVIS: ALL RIGHT. HE'S NOT HERE. I SEE DIRECTOR BRUNER HERE. I ASSUME THIS IS YOURS. DO YOU WANT TO COME AND GIVE US A QUICK INTRODUCTION TO THIS. WHILE FOLKS ARE COMING UP. LET ME GIVE A BACKGROUND REAL QUICK. WE THIS PROJECT AND ANOTHER IN EAST CENTRAL NOB HILL AND NOB HILL ADJACENT. I APPRECIATE THE ADMINISTRATION WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY TO GET THROUGH THIS. ONE OF THEIS A MARKET PROJECT. AND I ASK THE ADMINISTRATION TO BRING US BOTH OF THOSE TOGETHER BECAUSE THE COUNCIL REALLY ASKED TO PRIORITIZE THAT BALANCE AND BE SURE WE'RE CREATING BOTH. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH TO THE ADMINISTRATION FOR GOING BACK AND BEING SURE WE AND GET BOTH INTRODUCED TOGETHER TO MAKE IT CLEAR WE'RE GETTING ALL THE TYPES OF PROJECTS DONE FOR ALL THE HOUSING NEEDS IN THE CITY AND FASTTRACKING WHAT YOU COULD TO GET THE WORKFORCE HOUSING PROJECT IN BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR. THANK YOU FOR THAT. WOULD YOU GIVE US A QUICK INTRODUCTION? >> SURE. MR. PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. WE'RE LOOKING TODAY AT THE APPROVING A TAX ABATEMENT PROJECT OVER ON CENTRAL AVENUE OF A VACANT LOT. I BELIEVE ACROSS STREET IS ADAMS. THIS IS A VACANT LOT FOR A WHILE. WE'LL DEVELOP 96 UNITS ON THAT LOT AT MARKET RATE WITH PROJECTS CALLED THE 66. IT SCORED WELL ON SCORING CRITERIA FOR TAX ABATEMENT. IT WILL GENERATE REVENUE OF A LEASE FEE OF $10,000 FOR A 7 YEARS AND CREATES A BREAK FOR THE DEVELOPER THAT HELPS WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION RATES ARE HIGH AND THEY'RE LOOKING FOR DEALS. THIS TRAVELS WITH ANOTHER PROJECT YOU'LL HEAR LATER. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT R-191? SEEING NONE. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> PASSES ON AN 8-0 VOTE. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR GROUT. O-94. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. IT'S APPROVING A PROJECT INVOLVING ARRAY TECHNOLOGIES IN CORPORATED POUR -- POUR THE CITY'S IMPLEMENTATION LEGISLATION FOR THAT ACT TO SUPPORT THE ACQUISITION AND IMPROVEMENT OF A MANUFACTURING FACILITY AND TRACKER TECHNOLOGY AND RELATED PRODUCTS. AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION OF AN INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGENT AGREEMENT AND CONNECTION WITH THAT PROJECT. MAKING CERTAIN DETERMINATION AND FINDINGS RELATED TO THE PROJECT INCLUDING THE APPROPRIATION OF FUNDS MODIFYING ACTIONS TAKEN PREVIOUSLY AND REPEALING ALL ACTIONS INCONSISTENT WITH THE ORDINANCE. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. BACK TO COUNCILOR GROUT AND THE ADMINISTRATION. >>COUN. GROUT: WOULD YOU GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THIS? >>COUN. DAVIS: DIRECTOR. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, COUNCILORS, BEFORE I BEGIN, JUST SINCERELY IT'S BEEN AN HONOR WORKING WITH YOU. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. MANY OF US HAVE WORKED TOGETHER IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR MANY YEARS NOW THROUGH COVID AND DURING THAT TIME WE CREATED THOUSANDS OF JOBS. AS OF TWO WEEKS AGO HAVE BROUGHT BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO ALBUQUERQUE. IT'S AN ABSOLUTE HONOR AND PLEASURE TO WORK WITH YOU. AND FOR THOSE OF THE COUNCILLORS RETIRING GODSPEED. I HOPE IT'S ALL YOU WISH FOR. THIS IS A UNIQUE PROJECT. NOT A COMPLICATED PROJECT. BUT THERE'S CERTAIN ASPECTS THAT ARE WORTH COMCALLING OUT. NUMBER ONE. THIS IS A COMPANY FOUNDED IN ALBUQUERQUE. THE COMPANY USES TECHNOLOGY THAT WAS DEVELOPED RIGHT HERE IN ALBUQUERQUE. IT'S A COMPANY THAT PUSHES PULSE ACTORS AND SERIOUSRY CONSIDERING LEAVING THE STATE. GOING TO ONE OF THE NEIGHBORING STATES. AND I WILL SAY THERE WAS MUSCULAR ATTEMPTS BY NEIGHBOR STATES TO RECRUIT THIS COMPANY AND TAKE SOME NEW MEXICO JOBS AWAY FROM US. I WANT TO THANK THE STATE AND THE COUNTY FOR THEIR COLLABORATION FOR THEIR HARD WORK. THIS IS A RETENTION PROJECT. ONE OF THREE PILLARS OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS RETENTION, EXPANSION, AND RECRUITMENT. THIS IS A RETENTION PROJECT. THE GOAL OF THE PROJECT IS TO SAFEGUARD ABOUT 400 NEW MEXICAN JOBS. TO KEEP THEM IN THIS COMMUNITY AND PROTECT ALBUQUERQUE FAMILIES FROM HAVING TO MAKE THE DIFFICULT DECISION TO LEAVE THE STATE TO FOLLOW JOBS, OR TRY TO REINVENT THEMSELVES. WHAT IS ALSO UNIQUE ABOUT THIS PROJECT IS IT'S A TRULY COLLABORATIVE EFFORT. THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO HAS COME TO THE TABLE WITH $2.5 MILLION. AND THE CITY AND COUNTY ARE COMING WITH $250,000 EACH. THE COMPANY IS GOING TO MOVE FROM A LOCATION IN COUNCILOR BASSAN'S DISTRICT TO A LOCATION IN BERNALILLO COUNTY IN THE UNINCORPORATED PARTS OF BERNALILLO. AFTER 400 JOBS, 90 JOBS WE'RE SAVING ARE HELD BY RESIDENTS OF ALBUQUERQUE. I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. THIS GOING TO BE A CAPITAL INVESTMENT OF AROUND $50 MILLION INTO THIS NEW FACILITY. AND THE PROMISE OF CREATING 90 ADDITIONAL NEW JOBS, AND I THINK ONE CAN POSTULATE 90% OF THE JOBS WILL BE OCCUPIED BY PEOPLE THAT RESIDE IN ALBUQUERQUE. VERY EXCITED ABOUT ONE OF THE PROJECT. IT'S UNIQUE BECAUSE IT ALLOWS US AND GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO THINK DIFFERENTLY OF WHAT WE TYPICALLY DO. IF IT PLEASES THE CHAIR I'LL PASS IT TO CHRIS CHAVEZ TO GIVE THE STAFF ANALYSIS. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCILORS. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING THIS PROJECT BEFORE MU. THIS ORDINANCE PROPOSES THE LEDA FUND IN THE AMOUNT OF $250,000 FOR ARRAY TECHNOLOGIES. IT'S A GLOBAL PROVIDER OF UTILITY-SCALED SOLAR TRACKING TECHNOLOGY THAT HELPS CUSTOMERS MAXIMIZE SOLAR SIDES. MAX ALLUDED TO THIS. IT'S A PUBLICLY TRADED COMPANY AND FOUNDED AND HEAD QUARTED IN ALBUQUERQUE. WITH 30 YEARS OF INNOVATIONS IT'S UNIQUELY ABLE TO GIVE CUSTOMERS WHAT THEY NEED FOR CLEAN ENERGY SOLUTIONS. THEY HAVE MULTIPLE MANUFACTURING SITES AND OFFICES WORLD WIDE WITH AN REVENUE OF $1.7 BILLION. THEIR MANUFACTURING IS IN THE ALBUQUERQUE AREA. THEY HAVE 318 FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES IN ALBUQUERQUE THAT WOULD BE RETAINED. THE JOBS WILL BE IN OPERATIONS, CUSTOMER SERVICE, ASSEMBLY, ENGINEERING AND ENGINEERING SYSTEMS. THE NEWLY CREATED JOBS WILL AVERAGE $48,000. WITH SALARIES WILL RANGE FROM $37,000 TO $128,000. THE FACILITY WAS UNABLE TO SUPPORT A LARGE ENOUGH EXPANSION AND THAT'S WHY IT MADE THEM LOOK AT OTHER SITES. AFTER LOOKING AT MULTIPLE SITES THEY SELECTED A SITE AT 701 ATRISCO VISTA BOULEVARD. THE TOTAL CAPITAL INVESTMENT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION IS $49 MILLION. THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO WILL ESTIMATE THAT THE CREATE OVER 374 JOBS IN CONSTRUCTION. THEY'RE SOURCED FROM LOCAL LABOR POOLS. AND THE PROJECT CREATES 76 INDIRECT AND INDUCED JOBS. THE FACILITY WILL USE IT FOR HEADQUARTERS, OFFICE FUNCTIONS, ASSEMBLY, WAREHOUSING AND DISTRIBUTION OF THE COMMERCIAL SOLAR PRODUCTS. THE FACILITY WILL ALSO BE USED FOR VEHICLE PARKING, YARDS, STORAGE, AND ADDITIONAL ANCILLARY USES. THE STAFFING OFFICE GIVEN TO THE COUNCIL INCLUDES A FISCAL IMPACT ANALYSIS PROVIDED TO THE CITY BY THE STATE OF NEW HAMPSHIRE. THE FIA DETERMINED THAT THE PROJECT WILL HAVE A SUBSTANTIVE CONTRIBUTION TO THE COMMITTEE. THE CITY WILL RECEIVE OVER $2.3 BILLION IN NET BENEFITS. AND THE PROJECT WILL HAVE A TOTAL ESTIMATED NET BENEFIT OF OVER $11 MILLION OVER TEN YEARS. IT'S A QUALIFIED PROJECT AS DEFINED BY THE STATE'S LOCAL DEVELOPMENT ACT AND THE CITY ENABLING LEGISLATION AND COMPLIES WITH THE ADOPTING CITY PLANS AND POLICIES AND MEETS ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY AND OBJECTS. IT WAS GIVEN UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION BOY THE ALBUQUERQUE DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION. BASED ON THE ABOVE FINDINGS STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF 22-4 AS PROPOSED IN THE PROJECT PLAN APPLICATION. THANK YOU. >> ALSO, SORRY TO INTERRUPT. WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE ON ZOOM FROM THE COMPANY AND WE ALSO HAVE ROMAN ROMERO REPRESENTING THE COMPANY IN PERSON. AND JUDY WITH THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO IS ALSO HERE. >>COUN. DAVIS: I'LL GO TO THE SPONSORS HOW SHE WANTS TO PRESENT. I JUST LOVE YOUR PASSION. I THINK IT'S AWESOME. ANY TIME WE CAN HAVE JOBS IN ALBUQUERQUE AND BERNALILLO COUNTY I THINK IT'S A WIN-WIN. I ALSO LOVE SEEING ALL OF THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES COME TOGETHER. I THINK THAT'S VERY GOOD. I JUST THINK IT'S A NO-BRAINER. THANK YOU FOR CHOOSING ALBUQUERQUE TO STAY HERE. >>COUN. DAVIS: LET ME MAKE ONE BRIEF COMMENT. I APPRECIATE THIS, WE WENT BACK AND FORTH ABOUT THIS. I HAVE HEARTBURN ABOUT THIS. AT THE END OF THE DAY AND TRUST YOUR JUDGMENT. THIS IS A COMPANY GREAT BY NEW MEXICO AND PUTTING NEW MEXICANS TO WORK AND IS HOMEGROWN. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THE CITY IS LENDING MONEY TO A COUNTY-BASED PROJECT. I UNDERSTAND THE COMPANY SAID WE'RE GETTING BIG OFFERS FROM ANOTHER STATE. THAT'S AN ATTRACTIVE PIECE FOR THEIR BOTTOM LINE. THAT'S IMPORTANT, AND WE WANT COO KEEP THEM HERE. WE KNOW THE WORKFORCE WORKS IN ALBUQUERQUE AS MUCH AS THEY WORK IN BERNALILLO COUNTY. IT'S THE FIRST TIME WE'VE LENT CITY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT LEDA FUNDS TO THE COUNTY-BASED PROJECT. SO, I HAVE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS. I WANT TO PUT THEM ON THE RECORD. I SUPPORT THE PROJECT BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN THE OVERALL MISSION. IT'S MY HOPE THAT THE NEXT YEAR, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT WITH THE ADMINISTRATION, WOULD SPEND TIME TO COME UP WITH PARAMETERS TO EVALUATE THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS. IN THE PAST WHEN A COUNTY BASED BUSINESS WAS LOOKING FOR FUNDS THEY WOULD GO TO THE COUNTY, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT TO PROVIDE TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE, ASK THE STATE PROVIDES DOLLARS AND TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE BUT REALLY IT WAS A COUNSELEE BASED PROJECT AND CITY BASED CITY DOLLARS. I WANT TO BE CAREFUL WE DON'T OVEREXTEND THE LEDA FUND THAT EVERY COMMUNITY COMES TO US BECAUSE THEY MIGHT LIVE IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE AND THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD PURPOSE. I HAVE ANXIETY FOR NOT CREATING PARAMETERS TO ENSURE WE DON'T OVEREXTEND CITY RESOURCES SO WHEN THE NEXT NETFLIX OR START UP COMPANY IS EXPANDING FROM 50 TO 60 JOBS WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO DO THAT EITHER. I LOVE ARRAY TECH IS DOING A GREAT PLACE IN A PLACE NEW MEXICO SHOULD BE INVESTING. AND WE WANT TO SUPPORT THAT. AND WE'RE EXCITED TO SEE THEM GROW. I THINK THIS IS A GOOD INVESTMENT FOR THE CITY. I'D LOVE TO SEE US WORK WITH THE COUNTY MORE. I WANT TO BE CAREFUL. I HOPE THE ADMINISTRATION WILL TAKE A LOOK AT HOW TO EVALUATE THOSE IN THE FUTURE. IT WILL HELP US LOOK AT THESE IN A CLEAR FASHION SO THERE'S NOT ANY CHANCE WE OVEREXTEND OURSELVES. THAT'S ALL. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. I URGE -- COUNCILORS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >>COUN. DAVIS: SEEING NONE. >>COUN. GROUT: URGE YOUR SUPPORT. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> PASSES ON AN 8-0 VOTE. >>COUN. DAVIS: CONGRATULATIONS. >> I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: IF WE GET BACK ON THE AGENDA IN THE ORDER IT WAS SUPPOSED TO. I THINK THAT TAKES US TO APPROVALS. ITEM A. IF THAT'S RIGHT BY THE CLERK. WE'LL BE 13A. EC384. THAT'S A LEASE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE UNITED ASSOCIATION OF APPRENTICES AND THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. I MOVE APPROVAL. SEVERAL SECONDS. I HEARD COUNCILOR BASSAN FIRST. IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? >> WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER ON ZOOM. THAT IS JANE. >> YEAH, THANK YOU, COUNCIL. MY NAME IS JOAN. I'M THE DIRECTOR OF OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT AT THE UA LOCAL 4412. I KNOW IT'S LATE AND IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME. OUR LEASE IN THIS BUILDING IS MORE THAN JUST WHAT WE DO. WHICH IS WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT AND CREATE GOOD JOBS. PART OF MY JOB IS OUR APPRENTICESHIP READINESS AND OUTREACH INTO COMMUNITIES. MY BROTHER WAS HOMELESS. HE PASSED AWAY LAST YEAR. HE CUN HE COULDN'T HAVE BEEN SAVED BY THIS PROGRAM. BUT THE FIRST TIME HE WENT TO PRISON AND CAME OUT, HAD HE HAD A PROGRAM LIKE THIS AND RE-ENTRY MAYBE HE WOULDN'T HAVE COME BACK THE SECOND TIME. THE SECOND TIME WHEN HE GOT OUT OF PRISON, HAD HE HAD A PROGRAM LIKE THIS, UPON HIS RE-ENTRY, MAYBE HE WOULDN'T HAVE GONE BACK THE THIRD TIME. AND HAD HE NOT GONE BACK THE THIRD TIME, MAYBE HE WOULDN'T HAVE FELT LIKE HE COULDN'T BE IN FOUR QUAL WALL AND DECIDED LIVING ON THE STREET WAS ALL HE COULD DO. WE WORK WITH MULTIPLE RE-ENTRY PROGRAMS. WE'RE WORKING WITH THE COURT PROGRAM AND HAVE TAKEN FOUR PARTICIPANTS OUT OF THE PROGRAMS AND GOT THEM INTO GOOD JOBS. THEY'VE HIRED FULL-TIME DIFFERENT SITES. WE REALLY HOPE YOU'LL APPROVE THIS LEASE AND WE CAN DO WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO DO AND MAKE A BIGGER IMPACT IN THE CITY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. MR. PRESIDENT, THAT'S OUR LONE SPEAKER. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. ANYTHING FROM THE ADMINISTRATION? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, WE BELIEVE THIS IS SUCH AN INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY TO UTILIZE THE ASSET FOR THE COMMUNITY AND WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT. WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO PASS. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. SEEING NO OTHER DISCUSSION. CALL THE VOTE. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> PASSES ON AN 8-0 VOTE. >>COUN. DAVIS: NEXT UP IS EC390. THIS IS COMMUNITY PLANNING ASSESSMENT REPORT FOR THE WEST MOSTA AREA. I MOVE RECEIPT BE NOTED. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ANYTHING FROM THE ADMINISTRATION? >> WE HAVE FOLKS READY TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM AT REQUEST OF COUNCIL. >>COUN. DAVIS: TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR FINDINGS. I KNOW WE HAVE A REPORT TO LOOK THROUGH. >> GOOD EVENING, MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS. I'LL BE PROVIDING A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE PROCESS THAT THIS REPORT WENT THROUGH AND SOME HIGHLIGHTS OF THE RESULTS. NEXT SLIDE. NEXT SLIDE AFTER THAT. THE PROCESS STARTED IN MARCH OF 2021 AND THE SOUTHWEST MESA COMMUNITY PLANNING AREA ROUGHLY COVERS THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT OF THE CITY. SOUTH OF I-40 AND WEST OF THE RIVER UP TO CITY LIMITS. NEXT SLIDE. THE WEST MESA COMMUNITY PLANNING AREA. FOCUSES ON CITY PLANNING AREAS TO BETTER UNDERSTAND LOCAL PRIORITIES. BASED ON THE COMMUNITY INPUT THESE ASSESSMENT REPORTS MAKE CHANGES TO REGULATION TO THE IDO. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. EACH ASSESSMENT STARTS WITH LISTENING TO AND LEARNING FROM THE COMMUNITIES THAT LIVE, WORK AND PLAY IN THE AREA AND EXPLORINGING SOLUTIONS THROUGH PRIORITY TOPICS AND DEVELOPING PRIORITIES AND ACTIONS WITH CITY DEPARTMENTS AND OTHER PARTNERS. NEXT SLIDE. IN 2021 WE LAUNCHED THE WEST MESA CPA. THIS IS ON THE ORIGINAL SCHEDULE WHICH ALLOWED FOR A FARM UP PROCESS. WE RELIED ON VIRTUAL ENGAGEMENT BECAUSE THAT MEANS WE'RE NOT WIDELY AVAILABLE. IN ADDITION TO ONLINE SURVEYS WE HOSTED MEETINGS AND RECEIVED HUNDREDS OF COMMENTS ABOUT ASSETS AND OPPORTUNITIES IN THE AREA. WE ALSO REVIEWED AND MADE PUBLIC MAPS OF DAT WE TRACK ACROSS ALL ACROSS HAD PLANNING AREAS AND FOCUS WOULD DOZENS OF PARTNERS WITH CITY, COUNTY AND OTHER AGENCIES. AND WE WROTE A FIRST DRAFT. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THAT WINTER COUNCIL EXTENDED THE CPA TIMELINE SO EACH ASSESSMENT PROCESS LASTS FOR A YEAR. WE UPDATED THE REPORT TEMP LMENT AND REVIEWED COMMUNITY PRIORITIES TO UNDERTAKE MORE OUT. REACH AROUND SPECIAL TOPICS. NEXT SLIDE. THE DRAFT REPORT WAS PUBLISHED THIS YEAR. AND I'LL HIGHLIGHT THE SECTIONS. ON THE NEXT SLIDE. THE FIRST TWO SECTIONS OUTLINE THE PURPOSE OF THE ASSESSMENT PROCESS AND PROVIDE COMMUNITY CONTEXT INCLUDING THE DESCRIPTION OF THE AREA, DEM GRAPHING PROFILE AND BRIEF HISTORY. NEXT SLIDE. SECTION THREE, DOCUMENTS EXIST ING CONDITIONS. AND NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SECTION FOUR, COVERS SPECIAL TOPICS AND PROGRAMS AND PROJECTS IDENTIFIED BY THE COMMUNITY THAT'S PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT. NEXT SLIDE. SECTION FIVE IS POLICY REGULATION AND REVIEW. THAT ALSO CONTAINED POLICY MATRIX WITH ALL OF THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS DEVELOPED WITH COMMUNITY AND PARTNER FOR THE SOUTHWEST MESA AND FINALLY NEXT SLIDE, SECTION SIX COMPILES OF THE ACTIONS BY CITY DEPARTMENTS. ON THE NEXT SLIDE, I WOULD LIKE TO RUN THROUGH ONE EXAMPLE HOW THAT ALL TIES TOGETHER. WE HEARD FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE ABOUT SMALL BUSINESS, DESIRE TO SEE MORE SMALL BUSINESSES AND ACCESS TO AMENITIES IN THE SOUTHWEST MESA. THOSE PRIORITIES WERE SUMMARIZED IN SECTION THREE. THEN WE HAVE SEVERAL FOCUS GROUPS WITH THE LOCALAL PARTNERS INCLUDING WEST CENTRAL COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND PARTNERS WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ON A SMALL BUSINESS RESOURCE FAIR MODELED AFTER THE RESOURCE FAIR COUNCILOR PEÑA SPONSORED. THE RESULTS OF THAT OUTREACH AND MORE INFORMATION ARE DOCUMENTED IN SECTION 4.5. AND NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. ALL OF THAT OUTREACH IN THE REPORT IN ADDITION TO BRINGING RESOURCES INTO BUSINESS AT THE TIME IN POLICIES CHOOSE THAT AREA OF THE CITY AND ON ACTION ALSO DEVELOPMENT THE PLANNING WOULD PARTNER ON SMALL BUSINESS RESOURCES FAIRS IN EACH QUADRANT EVERY YEAR. LAST SLIDE, PLEASE. THE SOUTHWEST MESA LOVE THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AND CARE ABOUT THE FUTURE. THIS REPORT DOCUMENTS THEIR PASSION AND CIVIC MINDEDNESS. WITH THAT, I STAND FOR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: ON THE MATTER OF EC-390. ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: IT'S NOT A QUESTION. THANK YOU FOR NOT PROVIDING A SLIDE SHOW AND JUST READING FROM IT. THAT WAS BRILLIANT AND INFORMATIVE. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: SEEING NO OTHER DISCUSSION. MADAM CLERK. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> PASSES ON AN 8-0 VOTE. >>COUN. DAVIS: NEXT UP EC405. AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT AND DISPOSITION AGREEMENT FOR MRA OWNED LAND AT CENTRAL AVENUE. THIS IS THE OTHER THING I PROMISED COMING. I MOVE PROVAL. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? >>COUN. GROUT: MR. PRESIDENT. I AM THRILLED TO SEE THIS MOVE FORWARD. I TRAVEL THE LAST TWO -- I TRAVEL ALONG CENTRAL GOING HOME AND THAT'S MY AREA. THAT'S WHERE MY BUSINESS IS. AND BOTH OF THE PROJECTS I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SO MUCH. I'M EXCITED. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'LL LOOK AFTER THIS ONE. I APPRECIATE THE ADMINISTRATION. WE WANT TO CALL OUT WHEN WE DO SOMETHING AND WORK WELL TOGETHER. THIS IS THE WORKFORCE HOUSING PIECE WE NEED TO WORK ON IN EAST CENTRAL AND AS A COMPANION TO THE MARKET HOUSING, THIS IS A GREAT WAY TO INVEST IN THOSE INFILL AREAS AND REINVEST IN THE MR AREAS AND I APPRECIATE THAT. THE MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> PASSES ON AN 8-0 VOTE. >>COUN. DAVIS: FINAL ACTIONS, WE'VE DISPOSED OF ITEM A AND D. WE'RE ON ITEM C. R-159. >>COUN. GROUT: MR. PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. R-159 IS AMENDING THE BILL R-13-220 ENACTMENT 2013-114 TITLED ESTABLISHING A POLICY FOR THE TIMEFRAME FOR PURGING OF LICENSE PLATE READER RECORDS BY THE ALBUQUERQUE POLICE DEPARTMENT TENGSD THE TIME PERIOD THE ALBUQUERQUE POLICE DEPARTMENT MAY KEEP INFORMATION FROM LICENSE PLATE READERS BEFORE PURCHASING THE INFORMATION. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. DAVIS: I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANYONE SIGNED UP. I KNOW THE ADMINISTRATION WANTED TO SPEAK BRIEFLY ABOUT THIS MATTER. >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE HAVE DEPUTY CHIEF GREIGO ON THE ZOOM TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE CONCERNS REGARDING THE EXTENSION THAT IS INCLUDED IN THIS LANGUAGE. >>COUN. DAVIS: CHIEF, GOOD TO SEE YOU. >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILORS -- >>COUN. DAVIS: GO AHEAD. JUST TELL US BRIEFLY WHY APD WAS SEEKING THIS CHALLENGE. -- CHANGE. THERE'S QUESTIONS ABOUT THE APPROPRIATE TIME LIMIT FROM WHERE WE ARE NOW UP TO ONE YEAR. I KNOW APD OR THE ADMINISTRATION WANTED APD TO PRESENT ON THOSE QUESTIONS TO CLOSE THAT LOOP. >> YES. SO, ESSENTIALLY THE CURRENT STATE OF AFFAIRS IS WE RETAIN THE DAT FOR 14 DAYS AND IT'S PURGED. AND THAT DOES POSE PROBLEMS FOR US IN THAT THERE ARE OFTENTIMES WHEN WE HAVE NOT IDENTIFIED A SUSPECT OR SUSPECT VEHICLE UNTIL MONTHS AFTER A CRIME IS OCCURRED. ESSENTIALLY WE'RE PURGING EVIDENCE THAT MAY BE USED TO ACQUIRE CRIMINALS BEFORE WE KNOW IT IS EVIDENCE. AND WHAT WE'RE DOING IS SEEKING TO EXTEND THAT TIME FRAME AS IT SOMETIMES TAKES SIX MONTHS TO DETERMINE WHO AN OFFENDER MIGHT BE OR VEHICLE OR ACCOMPLICE IS. TO BE ABLE TO RETAIN THAT INFORMATION TO WHERE WE WOULD BE ABLE TO USE IT FOR INVESTIGATIVE PURPOSES. >>COUN. GROUT: I HAVE A QUESTION. WHO IS ABLE TO ACCESS THE RECORDS? HOW DOES SOMEONE GO ABOUT IT? AND WHAT ARE THE SECURITY MEASURES INVOLVED IN THAT? >> THIS INFORMATION IS GOVERNED BY THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE INFORMATION SYSTEMS REQUIREMENTS. IT IS GOVERNED BY THE FBI AND THE INFORMATION IS REQUESTED THROUGH THE REAL TIME CRIME CENTER. WHEN THEY PROVIDE A CASE NUMBER THE LAWFUL PURPOSE FOR THAT INFORMATION AND THE SPECIFIC INFORMATION THAT THEY'RE SPEAKING, THAT INFORMATION WILL BE PROVIDED. BUT THEY HAVE TO HAVE A LEGITIMATE PURPOSE IN ORDER TO SEEK THAT INFORMATION THROUGH THE REAL-TIME CRIME CENTER. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. IS IT ALL RECORDED? YOU CAN TELL WHO HAS GONE IN TO INSPECT THAT INFORMATION? HOW IS THAT RECORD KEEPING KEPT? >> THE SYSTEM IS AUDITABLE. THAT'S PART OF THE SYSTEMS WE HAVE. JUST THE SAME WE WOULD HAVE WITH THE NATIONAL CRIME INFORMATION CENTER COMPUTERS WHERE AN OFFICER WOULD GO INTO THE QUERY THAT INFORMATION. WE'LL BE ABLE TO LOOK AT AND SEE WHO REQUESTED IT, WHAT CASE NUMBERER THEY PROVIDED AND FOR WHAT PURPOSE THEY WERE REQUESTING THE INFORMATION FOR. >>COUN. GROUT: GLAD TO HEAR THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WHAT IS TYPICALLY THE TIME FRAME FOR DIFFERENT AGENCIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY? >> IT VARIES, WE LOOKED AT ALL KINDS OF RESEARCH. I WORKED ON A PROJECT WITH THE MAJOR CITY CHIEF'S ASSOCIATION. AND IT RANGES ANYWHERE FROM -- OURS IS ON THE LOWER END. AND IT RANGES ANYWHERE FROM A MONTH TO FIVE YEARS. SO, THERE'S REALLY NO SET STANDARD. WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE TIMEFRAMES WE LOOKED AT CASES WE HAD. AND WE FIGURED THAT A YEAR WAS AN ADEQUATE BALANCE BETWEEN OUR ABILITY TO DO INVESTIGATIONS AND THE PRIVACY RIGHTS OF THE COMMUNITY. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. ME BEING A FORMER LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, RETIRED LAW ENFORCEMENT, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT TOOL FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS ALREADY WELL VETTED. I THINK WE'VE GONE OVER QUESTION OR CONCERN THAT ANYONE MIGHT HAVE. SO, I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO VOTE FOR THE YEAR. I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT THING THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO SOLVE CRIMES. AND ESPECIALLY SOME OF THE VIOLENT CRIME WE HAVE IN THE CITY. AND THIS WOULD HELP US ADDRESS THOSE LEADS. AND FOLLOW UP ON THOSE LEADS. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: LET ME RECOGNIZE MYSELF. I'LL REITERATE WHAT I SAID AT FGO. I APPRECIATE THIS, CHIEF. I REALLY DO. I WAS PART OF THESE CONVERSATIONS UNDER THE LAST MAYOR'S ADMINISTRATION WITH THE ACLU. IN THE EARLY DAYS OF OUR SPEED CAMERA -- RED LIGHT CAMERA AND HOW LONG WE RETAIN THAT DAT AND WHETHER IT'S ACCESSIBLE AND SOME OF THE EARLY CCTV RETENTION. AND THAT TWO-WEEK RULE CAME FROM. I ASKED OUR STAFF AND I APPRECIATE MR. SYLVAN AND OTHERS TO LOOK AT OTHER CITIES IN HOW LONG THEY RETAIN THE DATA. THIS IS THE ON THE FAR END OF THE CITIES THAT HAVE THE PROGRAM. MY CONCERN IS THERE HAS TO BE A BALANCE BETWEEN PERSONAL PRIVACY AND GOVERNMENT WAREHOUSING DATA ABOUT US AND WHERE WE GO AND ALL THOSE THINGS. I THINK THIS GOES TOO FAR. I THINK CITIZENS IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE IF APD KNEW THEY WERE TRACKING MOVEMENTS AND OTHER THINGS DOWN THE ROAD SETS THE PRECEDENT FOR HOW WE RETAIN DATA AS WE BECOME DATA CENTERED SOCIETY IF MOST RESIDENTS KNEW WE'RE ABLE TO TRACK THEIR MOVEMENTS OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR THEY WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. THERE'S A REASONABLE BALANCE HERE. THE EVIDENTIARY VALUE OF WHERE SOMEONE WAS A YEAR AGO IS DEMINGSED GREATLY EVERY DAY WE DON'T SOLVE A CRIME. A FEW DAYS, MAYBE A MONTH, I THINK THIS GOES TOO FAR. FOR THAT REASON I'M GOING TO GO AGAINST IT. I'VE MADE MY CASE IN FGO. WE'VE DONE GOOD RESEARCH WITH HOW WE PAIR UP. I HOPE SOMEBODY CONTINUES TO MONITOR THIS CLOSELY. I HOPE APD MONITORS IT WELL AND I HOPE ADMINISTRATION AND CITY LEGAL AND OTHERS CAN DO REPORTING TO BE SURE THAT WE'RE ODD -- AUDITING THIS TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T PROVIDE INAPPROPRIATE ACCESS. THEY BECOME AN EASY TARGET WHEN YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW SOMETHING. YOU KNOW IT'S THERE AND IT'S EASY TO SAY I KNOW IT'S THERE AND I NEED AN EXCEPTION. I THINK WE WANT TO LIMIT OPTIONS. FOR THAT REASON I WILL VOTE AGAINST IT. I KNOW THIS WILL PASS. I HOPE FOLKS PAY ATTENTION TO THE CONCERNS AND PROVE ME WRONG. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I HOPE TO PROVE YOU WRONG. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: WILL THE CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROTE. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: NO. >> THAT PASSES ON 6-2 VOTE. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR BENTON AND COUNCILOR GROUT. R-184. >>COUN. BENTON: MR. PRESIDENT, MY AUDIO IS BAD. IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'LL ASK MY CO-SPONSOR TO -- >>COUN. DAVIS: SHE'S READY. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. COUNCILOR BENTON. R-184 IS A FLOOR SUBAMENDING R-23-152 TO ESTABLISH A POLICY PROHIBITING ADVERTISING ON THE EXTERIOR OF TRANSIT BUSES AND PARATANST VEHICLES. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR BENTON OFFERS A SECOND. BEFORE WE GO FURTHER, I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO TENGSD THE RULES AND MEETING UNTIL 11:30. IS THERE A SECOND? SEVERAL SECONDS. DISCUSSION? PLEASE CALL THE VOTE ON THE RULES SUSPENSION. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. SDMRF JES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> PASSES 8-0. >>COUN. DAVIS: BACK TO THE SPONSOR. YOU HAVE AN AMENDMENT? >>COUN. GROUT: NO. YOU HAVE AN AMENDMENT, RIGHT? I DO HAVE AN AMENDMENT. MY FLOOR AMENDMENT, NUMBER ONE, PAGE TWO LINE FIVE, DELETE PUBLIC OR PRIVATE AND INSERT IN LIEU THEREOF COMMERCIAL OR NON-PROFIT OR PUBLIC AGENCY. ON PAGE TWO DELETE COMMERCIAL. TO CLARIFY THE RESTRICTIONS ON ADVERTISING. >>COUN. BENTON: SECOND. >>COUN. DAVIS: THE SPONSORS HAVE AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT? SEEING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> PASSES 8-0. >>COUN. DAVIS: ON THE FIRST, IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS THE BILL OR GO TO THE ADMINISTRATION FIRST? >>COUN. GROUT: COUNCILOR BENTON. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. HELLO? >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR, DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT YOUR BILL? WE CAN HEAR YOU FINE. >>COUN. BENTON: OKAY, GOOD. IT'S CUTTING IN AND OUT. YES, REALLY WE'RE JUST -- YOU KNOW THE BILL IS OUT THERE FOR A WHILE. THE INTENT IS CLEAR AS TO NOT CONTINUING AND THIS WOULD BE PHASED IN. BECAUSE THERE'S EXISTING AGREEMENTS AND CONTRACTS. AND WORK ORDERS. THAT OVER TIME WE PHASE OUT THE USE OF OUR BUSES AS ESSENTIALLY ROLLING BILL BOARDS. THE INTENT -- AND THERE'S CONFUSION ON THE PEOPLE -- ON THE PART OF THE ADMINISTRATION THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE SPECIAL BUSES FOR A SPECIAL EVENT. USE BUS ROUTES OR WHATEVER TYPE OF ADVERTISING FOR WHAT WE CALL PUBLIC SERVICE ADVERTISING FOR LACK OF A BETTER TIME. PUBLIC ADVERTISING AS OPPOSED TO JUST COMMERCIAL ADVERTISING. THE INTENT WITH MYSELF AND THE CO-SPONSOR IS WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE A UNIFORM, PROFESSIONAL LOOKING FLEET. AND TO ME IT'S CONTRADICTLY TO USE IT FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES BUT ALSO AS A ONE-OFF SPECIAL BUSES THAT MIGHT -- THERE WILL BE AN OUTLIER OF THE FLEET. I FIND THAT TO BE CONFUSING TO USERS. AND DETRIMENTAL TOO TO A PROFESSIONAL OPINION OF ORGANIZATION OF TRANSIT. SO, ESSENTIALLY, THE IDEA AND I KNOW THAT THE -- I UNDERSTAND ANYWAY THAT WITHIN THE ADMINISTRATION THERE'S RESISTANCE TO THIS ABOUT WANTING TO AT LEAST TO DO SPECIAL BUSES THAT WOULD BE OUT THERE. I WOULD URGE COUNCIL TO TAKE A LINE HERE AND REALLY HAVE A TOTALLY CONSISTENT FLEET. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE HAVE A COUPLE COUNCILORS WITH QUESTIONS AND WE'LL GO BACK TO THE ADMINISTRATION AND BACK TO THE SPONSORS. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. JUST A COMMENT AND POSSIBLY A QUESTION. WRAPPING THE BUS FOR COMMERCIAL USE SEEMS TO ME IT PROVIDES A SERVICE WITH A NEED FOR THE COMMUNITY. WE HEARD A SPEAKER TODAY TALK ABOUT THAT. WE ALREADY HAVE IT DOWN. IT'S ALREADY SOMETHING THAT WE DO ALL THE TIME. WE KNOW HOW TO DO IT. WE KNOW HOW TO GET IT DONE. THE WRAP SEEM TO COME BY PRETTY EASY FOR US. AND WE ARE ACTUALLY HAVING REVENUE STREAM. IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT REVENUE STREAM. MY QUESTION IS TO THE ADMINISTRATION WHY DO WE WANT TO CUT A REVENUE STREAM JUST TO MAKE THE BUSES MORE UNIFIED? TO ME IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE SINCE WE'RE ALREADY DOING SOMETHING AND IT'S PROVIDING A SERVICE AND IT ACTUALLY PROVIDES REV -- REVENUE STREAM. >> I APPRECIATE YOUR QUESTION. I THINK WE'VE HAD SOME ONGOING DISCUSSION WITH COUNCILOR BENTON ON THIS TOPIC. AND NOW COUNCILOR GROUT AS WELL. WE HAVE APPRECIATED HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO USE THE BUS AS A WAY TO PROMOTE ESPECIALLY THOSE MATTERS WHICH ARE ABOUT CITY PURPOSES. I THINK WE ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE CAMPAIGNS LIKE JUST BREATHE AND THE ADOPT MESSAGING WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO PUT. WE'VE WORKED ON THE BUSES THROUGH BUS WRAPS OR ADVERTISING OF THOSE. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH COUNCILOR BENTON TO UNDERSTAND HIS GOAL RELATED TO CREATING UNIFORMITY ACROSS OUR FLEET IN THE BUSES. WE'VE HOPED TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE TO PROMOTE CITY MESSAGING. NOT FOR-PROFIT. WE HAVE CONCEDED IN THAT SPACE TO UNDERSTAND THERE IS CONCERN ABOUT COMMERCIAL ADVERTISING THAT IS NOT ALIGNED NECESSARILY WITH CITY OFFERINGS AND NON-PROFIT OR THE PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENTS THAT WE THINK ARE OF VALUE. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I'M CONFUSED BECAUSE EVERY SINGLE BUS STOP HAS AN ADVERTISEMENT. THE INSIDE OF THE BUS IS LOADED WITH ADVERTISEMENT. WE'RE STILL DEALING WITH THE REVENUE STREAM. WE'RE STILL IN IT. IF WE WANT UNIFORMITY, WE'RE SAYING WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE IT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE ADVERTISING CITY EVENTS INSTEAD OF JUST HAVING A BUS ADVERTISING. SO, I'M GOING TO BE VOTING NO ON THIS ONE. I THINK THAT WE ALREADY HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE VALUABLE TO THE COMMUNITY. AND I THINK WE SHOULD LEAVE IT ALONE. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILORS, ANY OTHERS BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC SPEAKER? WE DID PASS THE AMENDMENT. THIS IS AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. AND WE'LL GO TO AMENDMENTS THEN WE'LL GO TO OUR SPEAKER. [ INAUDIBLE ]. >>COUN. PEÑA: I'M SORRY. I CAN READ IT AGAIN. ON PAGE TWO LINE FIVE STRIKE THE WORD PUBLIC FOR. AND ITEM -- THE EXPLANATION IS ITEM WILL ALLOW THE CITY TO USE WRAPS ON BUSES FOR THE PURPOSE OF PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENTS. CITY MARKETING SUCH AS CITY HAS A NAME AND JUST BREATHE AND PROMOTING ADOPTION OF CITY ANIMAL SHELTERS. JUST SO WE CAN USE IT FOR PUBLIC USE FOR THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE TO BE ABLE TO ADVERTISE. I MOVE THAT MOTION. >>COUN. DAVIS: I'LL SECOND IT FOR DISCUSSION. I THINK WE NEED TO BE SURE WE'RE ON THE RIGHT AMENDMENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: I THINK IT'S NOT THE WRONG AMENDMENT, WITH THE AMENDMENT THAT PASSED ALL THE VERBIAGE NEEDS TO BE DIFFERENT TO MATCH. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >>COUN. PEÑA: I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS GOING TO BE THE OTHER AMENDMENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: I'M GOING TO GIVE STAFF A SECOND TO SEE IF WE CAN BRING ALL THOSE TOGETHER. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, TO CORRECT THAT TO THE AMENDMENT THAT WAS JUST MADE, THE AMENDMENT THAT IS MADE ONLINE FIVE RIGHT NOW IT'S GOING TO READ COMMERCIAL, NON-PROFIT OR PUBLIC AGENCY. TO COUNCILOR PEÑA'S AMENDMENT, YOU DELETE OR PUBLIC AGENCY. AND YOU WOULD SAY COMMERCIAL AND SAVE COMMERCIAL OR NON-PROFIT. YOU ENSURE BETWEEN COMMISSION AND NON-PROFIT OR DELETE PUBLIC AGENTS. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, WHAT DID COUNCILOR GROUT INTEND WITH PUBLIC AGENCY? HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT THAN COMMERCIAL? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN, BASICALLY IT'S MEANING PRIVATE INDUSTRY. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, WOULDN'T WE REALLY WANT TO STRIKE-OUT -- AND I DON'T KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE WE WANT TO KEEP PUBLIC AGENCY AND GET RID OF COMMERCIAL BECAUSE WERE YOU SAYING YOU WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE CITY CAN DO IT. >> IT'S THE OTHER WAY AROUND. STRIKE PUBLIC AGENCY, THAT'S NO LONGER PROHIBITED. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN HAS A QUESTION. WE'LL GO BACK TO THE OTHER COUNCILORS. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS AMENDMENT. I'M CONFUSED ON THIS BILL. I'VE SEEN SO MANY VERSIONS. ARE WE SAYING THAT WRAPS OF ANY KIND WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED, BUT NOW ALLOW ADVERTISING ON THE BACK THAT'S NOT COVERING THE WINDOWS? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO? >>COUN. BENTON: IF I MAY. >>COUN. DAVIS: I'M SORRY, COUNCILOR BENTON. COUNCILOR PEÑA THEN COUNCILOR BENTON. >>COUN. PEÑA: THAT WOULD BE PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENTS ON THE BACK OF THE BUS. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR BENTON, YOU WANTED TO RESPOND AND DIRECTOR KEENER IS HERE WITH US AS WELL. >>COUN. BENTON: YES, LET ME CLARIFY. COUNCILOR PEÑA'S WOULD ALLOW THE CITY TO DO THE ANNOUNCEMENTS. BUT NOT EITHER A COMMERCIAL OR A NON-PROFIT. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT. I WANTED TO CLEAR THIS UP. THIS IS TO PARTIALLY CORRECT THE ORIGINAL AMENDMENT WHEN WE DISCUSSED THE INTENT BEHIND THE AMENDMENT AND THE VOTE THAT HAD TO DO WITH BUS WRAP ADVERTISING. I THINK WHAT THAT LOST IS WE DO BUS WRAPS FOR OURSELVES INTERNALLY. IT IS -- WE DO BUS WRAPS AND PAINT SCHEMES. BUT WE LIKE TO MAINTAIN THE AUTHORITY TO BE ABLE TO GO EITHER WAY WITH THOSE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I THOUGHT THE ORIGINAL PURPOSE OF THE BILL WHEN WE HEARD IT A COUPLE MONTHS AGO WAS WE DIDN'T WANT THE WRAP BECAUSE THE WRAP ADDS -- TAKES AWAY THE VIEW INTO THE BUSES. NOW WE'RE SAYING WE WOULD HAVE THE OPTION OF HAVING BUSES UNDER THE NEW BILL? I'M SORRY, WRAPS, UNDER THE BILL. >> COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, YES WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO WRAPS WITHOUT DOING THE WINDOW COVERING WHICH IS THE DIRECTION WE WHEN WE DO COLOR SCHEME AND BRANDING. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YOU CAN OR CANNOT? >> WE CAN. WE WON'T COVER WINDOWS. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: OKAY. >>COUN. DAVIS: BACK ON COUNCILOR PEÑA'S AMENDMENT. COUNCILOR GROUT ON THE AMENDMENT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. MY UNDERSTANDING, WE'RE DOING THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE BECAUSE WHEN WE PASSED IT TWO MONTHS AGO, IT WAS NOT KNOWN TO -- IT WAS NOT KNOWN THAT EVEN THE WRAPS THAT SAYS CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE IS A WRAP. SO, WE WOULD BE GETTING A WHITE BUS OR A BROWN BUS BUT WE COULDN'T PUT A WRAP AROUND IT. THAT'S WHY IT WAS RE-PRODUCE INTRODUCED THIS SO WE CAN USE A WRAP AS FAR AS LOGOING AND MESSAGING. I UNDERSTAND AND I AGREE WITH COUNCILOR BENTON. HE WANTS AND I WANT A CLEAN, SAFE AND A STANDARD AND A PROFESSIONAL LOOKING BUS. WHERE WHEREVER YOU ARE IN THE CITY YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO LOOK AT IT A SECOND TIME AND WONDER IF IT'S A CITY BUS OR COMMERCIAL BUS OR WHATEVER. THAT IS THE INTENT HERE. I DO AGREE WITH TAT. I THINK THERE ARE PLACES FOR ADHAVEVERTISING. AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. WE CAN DO ADVERTISING AT THE BUS SHELTERS. ON THE INSIDE OF THE BUSES. AND THERE'S ROOM FOR INCOME THERE. I THINK THAT WHEN I TRAVEL ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND DIFFERENT CITIES, I DO THE SAME NICE LOOKING BUS DEKALES AND -- DECALS AND LOGOS. WE WANT IT THAT WHEREVER YOU GO YOU IDENTIFY THE BUS AS A CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE BUS. NO QUESTIONS ASKED. AND THEN I UNDERSTAND WE WANT TO ALSO HAVE SOME PSAs AVAILABLE. THAT WOULD BE THE REASON WHY WE HAVE THE AMENDMENTS. I DO AGREE WITH THAT AS WELL. I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE PARAMETERS ON THEM. THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING. >>COUN. BENTON: -- FOR EITHER COMMERCIAL OR PUBLIC SERVICE ADVERTISING. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS MY INTENTION, WHAT HAPPENS IF THIS BILL DOESN'T PASS TONIGHT? ARE WE LEFT WITH WHITE BUSES? WE'RE ARE WE AT ON ALL OF THE DIFFERENT RENDITIONS OF THE BILLS WE DID OR DID NOT PASS ALREADY? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN, SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE STOPPED WITH THE ADVERTISING WITH THOSE BUS WRAPS. WE'RE NOT DOING THOSE ANYMORE. WE HAVEN'T HAD THE NEED TO DO ANY WRAPS AT THIS POINT. BASED ON WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT WITH THE HAD -- IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WAS OMTO -- MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE CAN PROCEED FORWARD WITH IT. >>COUN. BASSAN: PROCEED FORWARD WITH WHAT? >> WITH THE CITY BUS WRAPS. >>COUN. BASSAN: IF THIS BILL DOES NOT PASS BUS WRAPS HAPPEN AND THINGS GO BACK TO THE WAY THEY ARE RIGHT NOW? I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE CASE. >>COUN. DAVIS: YEAH. >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR BASSAN, I INTERPRET THE BILL THAT WAS PASSED BEFORE TO PROHIBIT WRAPS IN THE FUTURE. I THINK TO THE EXTENT THAT TRANSIT NEEDS TO BE WRAPS FOR INPURPOSES, SOME REVISION TO WHAT WAS PASSED WOULD BE NECESSARY. WHAT I HEAR IS SINCE THAT HAS BEEN PASSED SHE HASN'T NEEDED TO DO A WRAP, BUT AT SOME POINT SHE'LL NEED TO DO A WRAP. >>COUN. BASSAN: JUST MAY OR MAY -- WELL IF WE NEED TO PASS THIS BECAUSE WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WHETHER IT HAS ADVERTISING OR NOT WE NEED TO HAVE WRAPS? >> YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YOU KNOW, THIS IS -- I HAVE TO SAY THIS. I THINK I NEVER HAVE DONE THIS YET, THIS IS MY FIRST. THIS REMINDS ME OF PTA DAYS WHERE WE DO FUNCTIONS AND EVERYBODY WOULD ALWAYS SAY YOU JUST CAN'T GET WRAPPED UP IN THE TABLE OF THE TABLE CLOTH. THAT'S WHAT I FEEL LIKE WE'RE DOING. WE'RE SPLITTING SO MANY HAIRS AT THIS POINT I'M STRUGGLING TO SEE THE RELEVANCE. IT'S GETTING REALLY MURKY. >>COUN. GROUT: IS IT MORE EXPENSIVE TO PAINT A BUS THAN IT IS TO WRAP A BUS? WHAT'S THE BENEFIT? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, IT DEPENDS ON THE COST OF THE MARKET. SOMETIMES WE DO PAINT. IN FACT SOME OF THE ONES NOW ARE BEING PAINTED TURQUOISE. AND SOMETIMES WE DO THE WRAPS. IT DEPENDS. ON THE COSTING AND WHO WE'RE ABLE TO DO THE AVAILABILITY OF THE WRAPS AND PAINTING. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. IF WE DID NOT DO ANYTHING RIGHT NOW, IF THIS DOES NOT PASS, THEN WE'LL JUST GO BACK TO YOU EITHER PAINT IT CORRECT -- WE COULDN'T DO WRAPS AT ALL, EVEN CITY LOGO? >> COUNCILOR GROUT, CORRECT. PRIOR AS WORDED DID NO WRAPS AT ALL. IT SAID NO WRAPS. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT. WITHOUT THIS, THERE'S NO WRAPS BUT THERE CAN CAN BE ADVERTISING? THERE'S NO WRAPS AND NO ADVERTISING IF NOTHING IS DONE TONIGHT? >> CORRECT. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. >>COUN. GROUT: BUT YOU CAN PAINT THE BUS. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'RE ON AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO WHICH IS COUNCILOR PEÑA'S AMENDMENT. LET'S TRY TO GO TO COUNCILOR PEÑA TO CLOSE THE AMENDMENT AND WE HAVE SPEAKERS AND WE'LL SEE WHERE THIS LANDS OR PARKS. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I WAS JUST TRYING TO PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENTS. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO? SEEING NO OTHER. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: NO. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: NO. >>COUN. LEWIS: NO. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: NO. >>COUN. DAVIS: NO. >> IT FAILS ON A 5-3 VOTE. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'RE BACK ON THE BILL AS AMENDED ONCE. LET'S GO TO OUR PUBLIC SPEAKERS. AND WE'LL SEE WHERE THAT TAKES US. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. WE HAVE TAD FOLLOWED BY DAVID ON ZOOM. >> WELL SOMEBODY TOLD ME THIS AFTERNOON SAID I'M TIRED OF THE PROBLEM. WHAT IS DIFFERENT HERE? BUS, SCHOOL BUS, YDI BUS, WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU? WHAT IS DIFFERENCE? SIMPLE, THEY HAVE TIES TO WHO THEY SERVE. NOW, BUSES NEXT. THEY'RE MAKING MONEY. [ INAUDIBLE ] I AM AGAINST A SECOND DEAL. THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE SECTION. PRIVATE, COMMERCIAL, WHATEVER ADVERTISERS. AND MINI BUSINESSES. THAT'S ALL I WOULD LIKE TO SAY. THANK YOU. >> NEXT IS DAVID FOLLOWED BY NEAL. DAVID, ARE YOU THERE? >> GOOD EVENING, MR. PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. I AM SPEAKING AGAINST THE BUS ADVERTISEMENT BILL. I'M DAVID ON BEHALF OF THE DAVID PERSONAL INJURY LAWFIRM. OUR LAW FIRM WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1939 BY MY FATHER. I BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR OTHER 40 YEARS. WE'RE A LOCAL BUSINESS WHO HAS ADVERTISED WITH BUS ADVERTISEMENT FOR OVER EIGHTH YEARS WITH A LONG-TERM PARTNERSHIP. WE'RE NOT A NATIONAL ADVERTISEMENT LAW FIRM. AND LAMAR HAS TREATED THE LOAL US FAIR IN OUR RATES. AND AS A LOCAL ADVERTISER. LAMAR RECOGNIZES THE IMPORTANCE OF LOCAL PRESENCE IN BUS ADVERTISING MARKET. AS A LOCAL BUSINESS WE RELY ON BUS ADVERTISING TO GET THE LOCAL BRAND OUT TO THE PUBLIC. BUS ADVERTISEMENT BAN WILL NEGATIVELY IMPACT OUR LOCAL BUSINESS TO COMPETE IN THE MARKET. WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE AMENDMENT NOT BE VOTED IN FAVOR OF. AND REEVALUATION OF THE INITIAL BILL IN ITS ENTIRETY. I'M ONE OF YOU GUYS, AS LOCAL AS RED AND GREEN. THANK YOU. >> UP NEXT IS NEAL. >> I'M WITH ADVERTISING. WE'RE CONTRACTED WITH THE TRANSIT PROGRAM. THIS IS TWO-FOLD. ABQ RIDE BRAND RECOGNITION. TWO ADDITIONAL COMPONENTS THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED. CITY REV MY AND LOCAL BUSINESSES. -- IN THE BAY AREA THERE'S SEVERAL OVER LPING TRANSIT SYSTEMS. [ INAUDIBLE ] EACH OF THE -- GUESS WHAT, EACH OF THEM HAVE AN AD PROGRAM IN PLACE. IT GENERATED MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. AND AN ADDITIONAL $5.5 MILLION OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS. THE IMPACT ANALYSIS WITH THIS BILL IS INACCURATE AND DONEPLAYS THE FINANCIAL LAW. NOT THE $813,000 NOTED. IN ADDITION LOCALIBLESES WILL LOSE A LOSE A VALUABLE TOOL. LOCAL COMPANIES UTILIZE THE POWER OF TRANSIT ADVERTISING. THIS BILL TAKES AWAY THEIR VOICE. [ INAUDIBLE ] [ INAUDIBLE ] >> MR. PRESIDENT, THAT CONCLUDES COMMENT ON THIS ITEM. >>COUN. DAVIS: ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO BACK TO COUNCILORS AND WE'LL TRY TO CLOSE WITH COUNCILOR BENTON. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE DEALING WITH THIS AT ALL. IT WAS ALREADY A SYSTEM THAT WAS IN PLACE. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LEAVE ALONE. AND I THINK ONCE THE NEW COUNCIL CONVENES I'M GOING TO BRING THIS BACK UP. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO REVISIT IF IT DOES PASS TODAY. IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE PUBLIC, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE BUSINESSES, AND IT'S A BIG REVENUE STREAM. I AM STILL A NO. NO ON THE LAST VOTE AND A NO ON THIS ONE. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS BEFORE WE GO TO THE SPONSOR? SEEING NONE. COUNCILOR BENTON TO CLOSE. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THE NUMBERS CITED BY LAMAR ARE INCORRECT. THERE'S NOWERE NEAR -- $5 MILLION. OTHER CITY CONTRACTS THAT THEY'RE INVOLVED WITH THEY BE INFLATE THAT NUMBER. BUT AS TO WHAT IT BRINGS IN ON TRANSIT, WE CAN BRING THE TRANSIT DIRECTOR BACK UP HERE. I KNOW FOR A FACT IT'S IN THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, PERHAPS UNDER $500,000. ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. IT WAS A MINUSCULE HELP TO THE DEPARTMENT AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY THE DEPARTMENT IS EXTREMELY ATTACHED TO THAT SMALL REVENUE. JUST TO COUNTER THAT ARGUMENT. I'LL JUST SAY THAT. ALSO, YOU KNOW, THE SUPPORTING SMALL BUSINESS, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY SMALL BUSINESSES ARE ADVERTISING ON THE BUSES. I DOUBT THEY ARE. THEY DON'T ADVERTISE ON BILLBOARDS EITHER. IT'S A VENUE OF ADVERTISING PRIMARILY AVAILABLE TO LARGER BUSINESSES. MORE THAN ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, THE APPEARANCE OF THE BUS AS WE SAID AND THE EASILY RECOGNIZABLE FLEET, I ALSO THINK THERE'S A FACTOR OF DISTRACTION OF A DRIVER WITH THE ADVERTISING. MOVING VEHICLE THAT'S ADVERTISE ING. I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER FACTOR. I WOULD LIKE TO COUNCILOR GROUT, SHE WOULD LIKE TO CLOSE AS WELL. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR LEWIS HAS ONE MORE COMMENT AND WE'LL GO TO COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. LEWIS: I REALLY DO BELIEVE WE NEED TO BRING THIS UP AGAIN NEXT YEAR AND GET IT BACK TO WHERE IT WAS BEFORE. BECAUSE I THINK WE HAD A GOOD THING GOING. LIKE WE HAD A BEFORE. I DON'T THINK THERE'S A REASON FOR THIS KIND OF CHANGE. I THINK BECAUSE OF THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE IT'S PROBABLY A GOOD REASON TO WHERE IT WAS BEFORE. I'MIGATE VOTE NO ON IT. HOPEFULLY GOING TO HAVE IT MOTIVATED TO BRING THIS UP AGAIN. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS. I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR ADVERTISING. I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR SAFETY. AND THEN CLEANLINESS, PROFESSIONALISM, AND JUST HAVING A STANDARD IN THE WAY WE LOOK. THERE CAN BE ADVERTISING IN THE BUS. THERE CAN BE ADVERTISING AT THE BUS STOPS. AND I JUST DON'T THINK OUR BUSES SHOULD BE A ROLLING BILLBOARD. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. I UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: NO. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: NO. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES ON A 6-2 VOTE. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, MA'AM. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. R-187 IS AUTHORIZING THE FILING OF THE ATTACHED GRANT APPLICATION FOR THE ARPA AIR QUALITY MONITORING GRANT WITH USEPA AND PROVIDING APPROPRIATIONS TO EHD IN FISCAL 23 AND 24. THE FUNDS WERE RECEIVED JUNE 2023. NO GRANTS HAVE BEEN SPENT. ANYTHING -- >>COUN. DAVIS: ANYTHING FROM THE ADMINISTRATION? >> PRESIDENT DAVIS, WE THE DEPUTY CAO TO ANSWER QUESTIONS IF THERE ARE ANY. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I HAVE ONE QUESTION. HOWCOME WE RECEIVED THE MONEY IN JULY 2022 AND IT'S NOW DECEMBER 2023? >> COUNCILOR DAVIS,COUNCILOR GROUT, THESE ARE AIR QUALITY MONITORS. THEY'RE A SPECIFIC TYPE OF EQUIPMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE PURCHASED. WE PURCHASED THEM. THE MONEY IS HERE, BUT BECAUSE OF SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES IT TOOK TIME TO GET THEM. WE HAVE IDENTIFIED THEM. THE MONEY WAS RECEIVED. IT WAS A GRANT THAT WE APPLIED FOR. IT'S A SELECTED GRANT. WHICH MEANS THERE WAS NO COMPETITIVE BID. WE HAD TO APPLY FOR IT. WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING THEM AND THEY'LL BE USED IN THE NORTH VALLEY AREA. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THAT DIDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION, I DON'T THINK. IF YOU RECEIVED THE MONEY A YEAR AND HALF AGO. MAYBE I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING. >> COUNCILOR GROUT, IT TOOK SOME TIME ONCE WE APPLIED THAT WE GOT THE AWARD AND IT'S TAKEN TIME TO GET THIS PROCESS GOING SO WE CAN GET THE EQUIPMENT. SO WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING THE EQUIPMENT. >>COUN. GROUT: MR. PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. WE DON'T ACCEPT THE MONEY OR VOTE ON THEM UNTIL YOU FIND WHAT YOU WERE GOING TO BUY WITH THEM? >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR GROU -- I WAS GOING TO SAY WE HAVE RECEIVED THE FUNDING AND WE ARE PURCHASING THEM. >>COUN. DAVIS: LET ME FOLLOW UP AND SAY HOW HAVE YOU RECEIVED THE MONEY BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T APPROVED FOR YOU TO APPLY MUCH LESS RECEIVE THE MONEY. HOW DID YOU FACILITATE GETTING THE MONEY? IT SOUNDS LIKE A $7 MILLION GRANT YOU RECEIVED WITHOUT AUTHORIZATION. >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR GROUT, WE APPLIED FOR THE MONEY BECAUSE WE HAD A LIMIT TO GET THE FUNDING. SO WE APPLIED FOR IT. WE WERE AWARDED IT. AND NOW WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING THE EQUIPMENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. I UNDERSTAND THAT. THIS IS AN ONGOING THING. MOSTLY AROUND THE ARPA STUFF, IT'S NOT THE ONLY ONE OF THESE WHERE THE ADMINISTRATION RECEIVED AND SPENT MONEY WITHOUT COMING TO THE COUNCIL FOR AUTHORIZATION FROM 2021 AND 2022 FUNDS. SO, WHY THIS IS COMING TO US NOW I THINK IS WHAT THE COUNCILORS ARE ASKING? WHY WASN'T THIS -- WE CAN DO INTRODUCTION AND IMMEDIATE ACTION IN GRANTS IN THE SAME MEETING AND HAVE DONE IT. WHY DID IT TAKE SO LONG? BECAUSE THE ADMINISTRATION PROMISED THEY HAD AN INTERNAL PROCESS AND EVERYTHING WAS CHECKING THE THINGS AND THE COPIES WERE GOING IT THE RIGHT PLACE. BUT THIS IS ONE AND THERE'S ANOTHER ONE SITTING UP STAIRS THAT'S MORE THAN THIS. >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, WE HAVE THE FUNDING. WE HAVEN'T SPENT ANY OF IT. WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF ORDERING AND GETTING READY TO DO IT. >>COUN. DAVIS: OKAY. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: I SHARE THE CONCERN. EVERY TIME FEET ONE OF THESE, IT'S BEEN HERE, WE HAD THE MONEY. NOW THE ITEMS HAVE BEEN ORDERED. WHICH I DON'T DOUBT WE NEED. I AGREE WE NEED THOSE. THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN SENT TO COUNCIL BETWEEN APRIL AND JULY OF 2022, NOT NOW. AGAIN, I DON'T WANT US TO LOSE THE MONEY. I WANT THE AIR QUALITY MONITORS. THERE HAS TO BE A PROCESS MOVING FORWARD WHERE WE HAVE A RULE THAT SAYS IF YOU APPLY FOR A GRANT YOU TELL US AND GET PERMISSION TO RECEIVE THAT MONEY. IF YOU DON'T DO THAT IN SOME CASES THE COUNCIL WILL SO NO WE'LL TURN DOWN MONEY. >>COUN. DAVIS: I WILL SAY, NOT TO STEP ON YOUR CLOSE. WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION WITH THE ADMINISTRATION A FEW MONTHS AGO. AND THERE IS MORE -- THERE'S MORE OF THESE THAT NEED TO BE CLEANED UP. WE KNOW THEY'RE UPSTAIRS ON MY DESK AND YOU'RE WORKING THROUGH THOSE. THAT'S THE UNDERSTANDING -- THIS IS ALL CLOSED UP. I DO THINK WE SHOULD HAVE THE INTERNAL AUDITOR REVIEW THE CITY'S COMPLIANCE WITH ARPA AND FEDERAL GRANTS DURING THAT PERIOD. BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN MORE THAN $10 MILLION SITTING HERE THAT I CAN REMEMBER THAT THE ADMINISTRATION SAID WE DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO ASK PERMISSION FO THAT WE GOT WITHOUT TALKING TO CITY COUNCIL. WE EITHER HAVE TO GIVE SOME OF THOSE BACK. WE BEEN THROUGH THIS WITH HUD. WE LOST ABILITY TO GET HUD BALLERS BEFORE. THERE'S SOMETHING BROKEN IN GRANT MANAGEMENT. THE LARGER THE BUDGET GETS THE BIGGER THE NOTICES GET. I THINK WE NEED INTERNAL AUDIT TO LOOK AT OUR GRANT REVIEW PROCESS BECAUSE THE ORDINANCE IS REALLY CLEAR HOW THIS WORKS. THE ADMINISTRATION HAS TO ASK FOR PERMISSION TO APPLY FOR GRANTS. LIKE NOT EVEN TO RECEIVE THE DOLLARS. TO APPLY. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS. DR. SINGLE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO RESPOND. >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, THIS PRECEDES ME. I UNDERSTAND YOUR FRUSTRATION. WE'LL ABSOLUTELY REVIEW THE PROCESS. WE'LL ABSOLUTELY DEVELOP A WAY FOR US TO ENSURE NOT ONLY DO WE UNDERSTAND WHAT STILL REMAINS TO BE CLEANED UP AND BROUGHT TOWARD YOU ALL FOR YOU ALL. BUT ALSO FOR US TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE GO FORWARD IN ENSURING WE'RE MEETING THE COMPLIANCE FOR IMMEDIATE ACTION IF WE NEED TO. AND OF COURSE BY REGULAR ACTION WHEN WE HAVE THE TIME MOVING FORWARD. WE WILL LOOK AT THIS. AND WE WILL WORK ACROSS EACH OF THE AREAS THAT ARE THE FINANCIAL AND GRANT APPLICATION SIDE TO ENSURE. -- >>COUN. SANCHEZ: WHO IS THE PERSON THAT YOU HAVE MONITORING THE GRANTS AND WHY AREN'T THEY DOING THEIR JOB? >> PRESIDENT DAVIS, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, MY UNDERSTANDING, I HAD SOMEONE WHISPER IS THIS IS A DECENTRALIZED PROCESS. I SUSPECT ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT SOLUTIONS WE CAN HAVE IS AT LEAST HAVE A CENTRALIZE TRACK FOR THE PROCESS THAT WILL WORK TOWARD TO SEE AN IMPROVEMENT. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: WE DON'T HAVE ONE PERSON OR A SMALL BODY INDIVIDUALS THAT TRACK GRANTS? THAT'S SOMETHING THIS ADMINISTRATION SHOULD HAVE DONE A LONG TIME AGO AND SHOULD HAVE ACTIVELY BEEN WORKING. IF THAT'S NOT THE CASE, GET ONE. PLEASE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. SO, YOU KNOW, I SPONSORED THIS BY REQUEST BECAUSE I WANT THE CITY TO GET THE AIR QUALITY MONITORS. BUT I WILL SAY THAT IN THE FUTURE, I THINK COUNCILORS SHOULD STOP ACCEPTING THESE BY RUC UNTIL WE GET THIS FIGURED OUT. IT IS PROBLEMATIC. AND THERE'S BEEN FAIR WARNING. WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION FOR THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF THAT I CAN REMEMBER. GIVEN ALL OF THAT AND GIVEN THE PROMISE WE JUST GOT THAT I'M GOING TO ASSUME IS THE TRUTH, I HOPE TO PASS THIS ONE FOR THE AIR QUALITY MONITORS. BUT DEFINITELY GOING TO REQUIRE SOME SORT OF PLAN MOVING FORWARD. WITH THAT, I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: SEEING NO OTHER DISCUSSION. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL VOTE FOR THE R-187. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> PASSES ON AN 8-0 VOTE. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR PEÑA. R-189. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. R-179 IS APPROVING THE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT UPDATED TRANSIT SAFETY PLAN. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. BACK TO THE SPONSOR. >>COUN. PEÑA: I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANYTHING FROM THE ADMINISTRATION? NO. TAD, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS BILL? >> WELL, YES, WE NEEDED -- WE DON'T HAVE SAFETY ON OUR BUS. HOW ABOUT BUS STATION STOPS? ESPECIALLY DURING THE EVENING HOURS. THAT IS VERY DANGEROUS. OUTSIDE WAIT FOR THE BUS. IN THE BUS TOO. THAT HAPPENED TO ME YEARS BACK. ABOUT TEN YEARS I WAS GOING TO HOME ON THE BUS. AND I WAS WALKING BY AND THIS GUY STRUCK SECURITY GUARD LADY. I JUMPED AND -- OUR BUS STOPS, SO MANY PEOPLE AND ELEMENT IN THE BUS STOP. ESPECIALLY DRUG, ALCOHOL AND -- I ALREADY SPOKE ABOUT WISCONSIN AND CENTRAL. WHAT'S GOING ON OVER THERE. ARE REPEATED MYSELF OVER AND OVER. IT IS DISGUSTING. THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO GET A DOWN BACK ALL THE AID AND TRANSIT AT WISCONSIN. AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT REGULATING -- THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR SANCHEZ TO FOLLOW UP. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I WAS LOOKING AT NUMBER FOUR. IT SAYS CHIEF SAFETY OFFICER, IT'S INTERNAL DISCIPLINARY SAFETY COMMITTEE. I THINK WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE HAZARDS AND THE ISSUES THAT GO ON WITHIN THE BUS SYSTEM. AND WHEN THAT COMMITTEE IS CONVENED, I'D LIKE TO ATTEND. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR DRIVERS AND RIDERS. SAFETY IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME. I AMMING I JUST I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M PART OF IT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> PASSES ON AN 8-0 VOTE. >>COUN. DAVIS: MADAM BUDGET CHAIR. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, R-193 IS ADJUSTING FISCAL YEAR 2023 APPROPRIATIONS FOR CERTAIN FUNDS AND PROGRAM TO PROVIDE FOR ACTUAL EXPENDITURES AND ADJUSTING FISCAL YEAR 2024 OPERATING GRANT AND APPROPRIATIONS. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. YOU HAVE A FLOOR AMENDMENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN AND WE AMENDMENTS. IS THAT RIGHT? >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT I THINK I JUST HAVE AMENDMENT E. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT ME TO GO FIRST OR TAKE THEM IN THE ORDER OF THE PACKET. >>COUN. DAVIS: IS THERE A FLOOR AMENDMENT? WE PASSED THAT. PERFECT. MY APOLOGIES. ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO TO -- I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE AMENDMENTS UNLESS ANYONE HAS COMMENTS. WE USUALLY DON'T NEED TO. THANK YOU FOR THE BUDGET STAFF BEING HERE WITH US. IT'S LATE. WE DO OUR BEST JOB SPENDING MONEY LATE. FLOOR AMENDMENT IS SPONSORED BY MYSELF. I MOVE FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. ON ATTACHMENT CHANGES THE FOLLOWING, FOR OPERATING, IT REDUCES THE CIP FUNDED EMPLOYEES FROM PARKS DEPARTMENT BY 500. INCREASES THE AMOUNT OF CITY SUPPORT BY 500 AND UNDER DMD CREATES NEW LINE ITEM TO ALLOCATE THAT MONEY TO THE MANTE VISTA BOULEVARD MEDIAN PROJECT. I MOVE A DO PASS. SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION FROM THE ADMINISTRATION OR FROM THE COUNCIL? GOING ONCE. >>COUN. BASSAN: THIS GOING TO BE -- I'LL ASK IT NOW. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE ADMINISTRATION, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT COUNCIL STAFF WORKED CLOSELY WITH BUDGET STAFF FOR THE ADMIN SIDE. THIS IS A BILL BY REQUEST. I WANT TO KNOW HOW ADMINISTRATION AND OUR STAFF FEEL ABOUT MOVING FORWARD WITH ALL OF THESE. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK QUICKLY. WE APPRECIATE WE WORKED TOGETHER WITH ALL OF THE COUNCILORS AND COUNCIL STAFF TO PUT TOGETHER THE CLEAN UP BILL. WE UNDERSTAND THE AMENDMENTS COMING FORWARD WERE CREATED THROUGH WORK BETWEEN BOTH COUNCIL STAFF AND OUR BUDGET STAFF TO ACCOMMODATE THE REQUEST OF COUNCILORS AND MOVE THIS FORWARD. WE WORKED CAREFULLY IN THE INITIAL PROCESS TO TRY TO ENSURE WE'RE PROVIDING PROJECTS TO FINISH OUT PROJECTS OR ENSURE THEY'RE MAKING SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUIONS TO PROJECTS THAT NEEDED FINISHING OUT. WE HAD THE POTENTIAL TO LEVERAGE OTHER INVESTMENTS. WHERE APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT WENT INTO THIS AND I UNDERSTAND THAT COUNCIL STAFF DID NEED TO WORK WITH OUR BUDGET STAFF TO MAKE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR NEEDS THAT THE COUNCIL HAD. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: OVERALL, IS THE ADMINISTRATION SUPPORTIVE? >> YES, THANK YOU. WE SUPPORT THE AMENDMENTS. >>COUN. DAVIS: THAT MAKES IT EASY. THAT MEANS STAFF DID A GOOD JOB. WE'RE BACK ON FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. SEEING NO DISCUSSION. WILL THE CLERK CALL THE VOTE FOR NUMBER ONE? >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES 8-0. >>COUN. DAVIS: FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. KIND OF ME BY REQUEST. IT DOESN'T BENEFIT ME A LICK. MAKE THE FOLLOWING CHANGES UNDER THE CAP. PARKS FUNDED EMPLOYEES REDUCED BY 150. INCREASE FOR COUNCIL SERVICES $150,000. THIS IS THE MID-YEAR INCREASE TO COUNCILOR SALARY RECOGNIZED BY THE INDEPENDENT SALARY COMMISSION. AND OUR ADOPTION OF THAT. DO PASS. SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ANYBODY THAT DOESN'T WANT TO CHANGE THEIR SALARY. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> PASSES, 8-0. >>COUN. DAVIS: FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE IS SPONSORED BY MYSELF ON BEHALF OF STAFF. IT INCREASES -- FOR THE CONTRACT COMPLIANCE OFFICER FOR THE POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD REQUIRED BY OUR ORDINANCE. FULFILLS OUR OBLIGATION TO HAVE THAT PERSON IN PLACE FOR THE SECOND HALF OF THE YEAR. THIS FUNDING IS BEING REDIRECTED FROM APD VEHICLE FUND. I KNOW THE ADMINISTRATION WAS HAVING SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT. FIRST LET'S DO THE AMENDMENT. SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. I KNOW THERE'S AN URGENT NEED FOR POLICE VEHICLES BECAUSE WE'RE HIRING NEW RECRUITS AND THEY'RE COMING OUT. DOES THE ADMINISTRATION HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE FUNDING SOURCE? IF NOT IS IT WE NEED TO REVISIT WITH THE LEGISLATURE? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, I THINK I SAID TO MULTIPLE FOLKS, IF WE'RE UNABLE TO PURCHASE THE VEHICLES WE IDENTIFIED IN THE BILL WE WILL BE COMING BACK TO THE COUNCIL AND OTHER SOURCES BECAUSE WE DO NEED THE VEHICLE FOR APD. WE HAVE NORTH OF 60 NEW CADETS COMING ON AND AS WE ADD INDIVIDUALS IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO -- WE DON'T WANT THEM SITTING AROUND. NOT APPLYING THEY'RE SITTING AROUND IF THEY DON'T HAVE A VEHICLE. WE KNOW WE NEED TO CONTINUALLY ADD THE VEHICLE FOR THE CADETS COMING ON. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, MA'AM. ANY QUESTIONS? HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. COUNCILOR LEWIS. GOOD? PLEASE CALL THE VOTE ON FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES 8-0. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR IS ON ATTACHMENT A CHANGE THE FOLLOWING OPERATING FUND UNDER CITY SUPPORT DECREASE THE AMOUNT ON TRANSFER TO ACQUISITION FUND LINE BY $220,000. NUMBER TWO OPERATING FUND UNDER POLICE DEPARTMENT INVESTIGATIVE SERVICES ADD A NEW DEPARTMENT LINE. COUNCIL SERVICES FOR $220,000. AND UNDER CAPITAL FUND DECREASE THE AMOUNT BY $220,000. THE EXPLANATION IS THE AMENDMENT IS TO INCREASE COUNCIL SERVICES AMOUNT OF $220,000 FOR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE TEAM WITH THE SECOND JUDICIAL DISTRICT ATTORNEYS OFFICE. THE FUNDING FOR THIS ADDITION IT BEING MOVED FROM THE PROPOSED FUND. >>COUN. DAVIS: IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I HAVE BEN -- BEEN ACCUSED OF DEFUNDING THE POLICE. COUNCILOR GROUT AND ADMIN, PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHERE APD STANDS ON NOT HAVING POLICE VEHICLES IN LIEU OF US GIVING THE D.A.'S OFFICE A NAME FOR THIS PROGRAM WHICH I DO BELIEVE IS ALSO IMPORTANT. I DO NOT LIKE THE IDEA OF TAKING MONEY AWAY FROM APD IN ORDER TO GIVE IT TO A DIFFERENT PROGRAM WITH A DIFFERENT ENTITY. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. COUNCILOR BASSA -- >>COUN. GROUT: I REACHED OUT TO THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND SAID HOW CAN THE CITY HELP WITH THE CRIME ISSUE. WE HAVE A REAL PROBLEM IN CRIME. SO, HE AND HIS DEPUTY DIRECTOR HAVE -- LIKE HE MENTIONED IN HIS GENERAL COMMENT, A LONG TIME AGO THEY HAD A DART PROGRAM. DOMESTIC VIOLENCE RESPONSE TEAM. AND SAID IF HE HAD TWO ATTORNEYS THAT WERE DEDICATED TO HELPING SOLVE THESE ISSUES WITH A SUPPORT STAFF THAT HE COULD REALLY MAKE A DENT IN THIS AREA OF CRIME. AND I THINK THAT APD IS PUBLIC SAFETY AND I THINK THAT THIS IS ALSO PUBLIC SAFETY. I DON'T THINK WE'RE DEFUNDING . IT'S HELPING THE POLICE. I HAVE TALKED WITH THE CHIEF. HE THINKS THIS IS A GREAT IDEA TOO. IT WOULD REALLY HELP HIS OFFICERS. WHEN THEY GO INTO A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SITUATION, IT'S ONE OF THE MOST DIFFICULT AND UNSAFE AREAS OF THEIR JOB. AND TYPICALLY WHEN THERE'S DOMESTIC CALL FOR SERVICE THEY HAVE TO GO WITH TWO OFFICERS. THEN ALSO JUST GETTING THE PROSECUTION ON THESE CASES IS VERY DIFFICULT. BECAUSE THE SURVIVOR, THE VICTIM OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE DOESN'T WANT TO PROSECUTE. IF WE HAD A SOFT HAND FOR APD TO HAND OFF TO INDIVIDUALS, THEY'RE MORE LIKELY TO ACCEPT THE HELP AND SUPPORT AND WE CAN HELP THIS ISSUE. THIS IS A PILOT PROGRAM. WE'VE ALSO REACHED OUT TO THE STATE LEGISLATORS AND THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. HOPING THEY WILL COME ALONGSIDE US AND SEE HOW THIS IS GOING. THE ADMINISTRATION WILL HAVE TO EXECUTE THIS. AND SO THERE ARE THINGS THAT OUR CAO IS WANTING TO SEE SOME -- SHE WANTS TO SEE SOME PROGRESS. IF AFTER SIX MONTHS WE DON'T SEE A RETURN ON OUR INVESTMENT, THEN IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE DOING. DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IS REAL, AS WE ALL KNOW, AND IT'S TERRIBLE IN OUR CITY. AND WE NEED TO GET A WRAP ON THIS. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR, I DEFINITELY -- I KNOW DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IS REAL. I DON'T WANT TO BE ACCUSED OF NOT SUPPORTING DOING ANYTHING IN FAVOR OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE DO WE ANYBODY FROM APD THAT CAN SPEAK TO THIS. THIS IS A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE. I WANT TO SUPPORT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE REDUCTION AND I DON'T WANT TO DEFUND THE POLICE. I'M WONDERING WHERE DOES THE ADMINISTRATION AND APD STAND ON THIS? I AGREE IT'S PUBLIC FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS IS ON THE RECORD FOR THE FUTURE SO WE CAN ALL MAKE SURE TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SUPPORT BOTH TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY. >>COUN. DAVIS: DR. SINGLE. >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR BASSAN, I TRULY APPRECIATE THE QUESTION. I THINK YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT. WE WANT TO SUPPORT APD AND WE WANT TO SUPPORT THIS. IT IS IMPORTANT TO ARTICULATE THAT I DID SPEAK WITH CHIEF MEDINA ABOUT THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE PILOT. HE FELT THERE WAS REAL VALUE IN HAVING HELP FROM PROSECUTORS TO SUPPORT THE WORK THAT THEY ARE DOING AND MOVE THOSE TWO ISSUES FORWARD. IT IS A BALANCING FACT BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE TO FIND OTHER FUNDING TO FUND VEHICLES FOR APD. WE'RE COMMITTED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GOING TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT. AND CHIEF IS AS WELL. HE'S WORKING WITH US FOR POTENTIAL COST SAVINGS. HE DID SUPPORT THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE THE WORK THEY'RE DOING THROUGH THE PROSECUTION PROCESS MORE SUCCESSFULLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR SANCHEZ AND WE'LL GO TO COUNCILOR LEWIS AND WE'RE GOING TO WATCH THE TIME IF WE DON'T FINISH THIS. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. HERE'S AN IDEA. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WE HAVE BOTH POLICE CAR AND WE ALSO HAVE FUNDING FOR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. CURRENTLY, WE ALL KNOW THAT APD IS EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY TOP-HEAVY. MORE CHIEF AND DEPUTY CHANDERS -- COMMANDERS THAN EVER IN THE HISTORY OF APD. ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS WHEN ONE OF THE GUYS RETIRED, DON'T FILL THE POSITION AND YOU HAVE $200,000. THAT WOULD BE A SUGGESTION I HAVE. I THINK IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE AND FEASIBLE TO DO THAT. AND LIKE I SAID, WE ALL KNOW THAT APD IS EXTREMELY TOP-HEAVY. AND TWO SLOTS WOULD TAKE CARE OF THIS. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. YEAH, SO, PUTTING $200,000 IN THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE TEAM. THAT NOT BEING THE QUESTION. WE WANT TO DO THAT. IS THERE ANOTHER FUND HERE? I'M LOOKING AT FUNDS FROM SOME OF THE OTHER FUNDS. LIKE OPERATING FUNDING ON -- THERE'S CAPITAL FUND 305 WHICH IS MUNICIPAL DEVELOPMENT. THERE'S PARKS AND REC. ANY OTHER CAPITAL FUNDS YOU THINK WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO -- I'M LOOKING AT 305 HOUSING WHERE CAPITAL FUND 305 TAKES $3 MILLION OUT OF THERE. ANOTHER $2 MILLION AND ANOTHER AMENDMENT OUT OF 305 OR TRANSFER FROM 110. ARE THERE SOME OF THOSE WE CAN USE FOR THIS? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR LEWIS ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY. WE WORK CLOSELY WITH THE BUDGET BILL AND BUDGET OFFICE AS REQUESTED BY THE ADMINISTRATION AND THEIR SUGGESTION WAS TO TAKE FROM THE 305 PARKS TO AND EMPLOYEES BECAUSE THEY GET PAID WITH INDIRECT OVERHEAD AND THE CITY APD VEHICLES. >>COUN. LEWIS: SO, I'M SORRY, YOU'RE SAYING AN ALTERNATIVE WAS THAT OF THE PARKS FUND? AS AN ALTERNATIVE OTHER THAN THE VEHICLE? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR LEWIS, WE DID ZERO OUT THE CIP FUNDED PARKS EMPLOYEES. AGAIN BECAUSE THEY'RE PAID WITH INDIRECT OVERHEAD FROM PROJECTS THEMSELVES. THE SECOND FUNDING WAS THE APD VEHICLES. THAT'S WHERE WE FOCUSED ON. ANYTHING ACCORD TO THE COUNCIL IS FAIR GAME IN THE BILL. >>COUN. LEWIS: I GUESS HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE TO GO THROUGH FUNDS AND LOOK AT WHAT CAN BE ADJUSTED AND MOVED? COULD WE COME BACK TO THIS AMENDMENT IN A LITTLE BIT AND GIVE HIM TIME TO LOOK AT POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVES? WOULD IT TAKE LONGER THAN THAT? IT PROBABLY WOULD. I'M GIVING YOU AN IMPOSSIBLE TASK. >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR LEWIS, THIS IS A CLEAN UP BILL FOR THE OPERATING BUDGET. WE WILL ABSOLUTELY TAKE A LOOK AT THESE WHEN WE GET TO THE BUDGET CYCLE. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT APD DOES HAVE ABOUT $680,000 THAT IS UP USED BETWEEN 2015GO BOND AND THE LAST TWO YEARS OF THE GRANT FOR VEHICLINGS THAT THEY CAN SPEND NOW. WE DID LOOK AT THAT AS AN -- A CUSHION TO THE FLOW. >>COUN. LEWIS: WE'RE FULLY FUNDED ON APD VEHICLES ? WE CANNOT BUY MORE RIGHT NOW. >> I THINK THE APD AND ADMINISTRATION AND COUNCIL WOULD AGREE THAT WE NEVER HAVE ENOUGH VEHICLES. WE DON'T LIKE TO GO BACK A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE HOT SEATING WHERE THE FORMER COUNCILOR SANCHEZ WAS ALWAYS ADAMANT ABOUT THAT WHEN WE HAD THE GO BOND PROGRAM TO GET THE VEHICLES PURCHASED TO DO THAT. WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF GO BOND MONEY AND TWO STATE GRANT AND WE'RE COMING UP ON THE BUDGET CYCLE TO INCREASE THE BUDGET FOR THE VEHICLE. >>COUN. LEWIS: IT'S JUST A PROBLEM. IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO SAY WE NEED MORE APD VEHICLES. WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO SAY THAT. AT ANY GIVEN TIME WEP -- WHEN WE TAKE MONEY AWAY FROM THAT. EVEN IF WE RESUPPLY TWO MONTHS LATER, STILL, WE'RE TAKING FROM THAT SOURCE. IT'S NOT ALWAYS THE BEST. I DON'T WANT TO HOLD THIS UP EITHER. I CERTAINTILY DON'T WANT TO HOLD FUNDS THAT GO TO SOMETHING AS FUNDS. >>COUN. DAVIS: LET'S DEFER TO THE SPONSOR WHETHER SHE WANTS TO WITHDRAW THIS AND TALK ABOUT IT WITH EVERYBODY AND BRING IT BACK AT THE END. I DON'T WANT TO TABLE IT BECAUSE THAT'S LIKE THREE MOTIONS TO GET IT IN AND GET IT BACK. WE NEED TO EXTEND THE TIME. WHAT'S THE SPONSOR'S PLEASURE OF HOW SHE WANTS TO PROCEED? >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I JUST SEE THE ADMINISTRATION WORKING REALLY DILIGENT OVER THERE. I JUST WANTED TO SEE WHAT THEY'VE COME UP WITH. BOTH OF THESE ITEMS ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO ALL OF US. >>COUN. GROUT: WE DON'T WANT TO TABLE IT. BUT WITH DRAW IT FOR A MINUTE. WE'LL COME BACK TO AT THE END OF THE LIST. IS THAT OKAY? >>COUN. LEWIS: TABLING SOUNDS BETTER THAN WITHDRAW. >>COUN. GROUT: OKAY. I DON'T WANT TO WITHDRAWAL. DIRECTOR SIMON HAS OFFERED TO COVER THE MONEY FOR IT. >>COUN. DAVIS: SUCH A NICE GUY. >>COUN. GROUT: HE'S MY BEST FRIEND RIGHT NOW. >>COUN. DAVIS: WHICH IS WONDERFUL IF WE DON'T EXTEND THE TIME THAT WON'T MATTER. >>COUN. GROUT: MR. PRESIDENT, I WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND THE TIME TO MIDNIGHT. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: SECOND. >>COUN. DAVIS: MOTION IS MIDNIGHT AND WE BETTER BE DONE BEFORE THAT. SECOND FROM COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. FOR THE RECORD COUNCILOR BENTON IS EXCUSED FOR THE REST OF THE MEETING. THAT MEANS JUST US, IS THAT RIGHT? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO SUS PEPPED THE RULES ALL THOSE OPPOSED? THAT'S UNANIMOUS. IS THAT OKAY? GREAT. I APOLOGIZE. NOW WE'RE BACK TO YOU, COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: SO, DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCE WOULD BE PARKS AND REC. >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR GROUT, WE DID ZERO OUT THAT FUND WITH OTHER AMENDMENTS THAT ARE DOWN THE LINE. THAT WOULD POSE SOME PROBLEMS FOR SOME OF THE LATER AMENDMENTS. >>COUN. GROUT: WELL, CAN WE WITHDRAW IT FOR RIGHT NOW AND FIND SOMETHING ELSE REALLY FAST? >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, CAN WE TABLE THIS AMENDMENT AND PUT IT TOWARD THE END? >>COUN. DAVIS: SURE. WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE? >>COUN. GROUT: WE'LL BRING IT BACK RIGHT? >> >>COUN. DAVIS: I'LL SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? THAT IS UNANIMOUS. WE'LL TABLE THAT AND COME BACK TO IT. COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I MOVE AMENDMENT NUMBER FIVE ON ATTACHMENT A CHANGE THE FOLLOWING OPERATING FUND UNDER PARKS AND REC AND DECREASE THE CIP EMPLOYEES BY $200,000. AND UNDER POLICE DEPARTMENT INVESTIGATIVE SERVICES ADD A NEW LINE ITEM COUNCIL SERVICES DEPARTMENT AND COUNCIL SERVICES FOR $200,000. THIS INCREASES THE AMOUNT FOR OPERATING FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. >>COUN. DAVIS: I'LL SECOND THAT FOR THE RECORD. ANY DISCUSSION? COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. YOU GOOD? ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR HAND AND AYES. THAT AMENDMENT CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. AMENDMENT NUMBER FIVE. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I'LL MOVE FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER SIX. ON ATTACHMENT A CHANGE THE FOLLOWING, CAPITAL FUND 305 UNDER PARKS AND RECREATION. DECREASE THE AMOUNT ON LOS ALTOS BY $700,000. AND UNDER MUNICIPAL ADD THE SUBLITIGATION -- EXPLANATION IS THIS WAS THE AMOUNT THAT WAS GIVEN TO DISTRICT SEVEN ON A PROJECT THAT IS FUNDED AND DO NOT NEED TO SPEND MORE MONEY ON LOS AS ALTOS PROJECT. I MOVE A PASS. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR BASSAN. ANY DISCUSSION ON AMENDMENT NUMBER SIX? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. ANY OPPOSED? THAT MATTER CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN YOU'RE ON NUMBER SEVEN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER SEVEN. THIS IS ON PAGE SIX LINE 20 ENTITLED STRET SERVICES INCREASE THE AMOUNT BY $40,000. IN KEEPING WITH MY NEED TO STOP FLOODING IN DISTRICT SEVEN, THIS WAS JUST DOING PROFESSIONAL SERVICES CONTRACT TO FUND THE LIG COALITION TO CONTINUE COALITION WORK SUPPORTING THE CITY ON DRAIN STORM WATER INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS CITY WIDE. >>COUN. DAVIS: I'LL SECOND. COUNCILOR BASSAN TOO. WHOEVER THE CLERK WANTS TO PICK. ANY DISCUSSION ON FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER SEVEN? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT MATTER CARRIES. -- THAT AMENDMENT CARRIES. COUNCILOR BENTON IS GONE. I'M GOING TO DO THIS FOR HIM. FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER EIGHT. ATTACHMENT A, CAPITAL FUND 305 AMEND HOUSING FORWARD FUND. THIS JUST ADDS THE FUNDING ALLOCATED FOR THE CAPITAL FUND 305. IT'S NOW FOR THE HOUSING FORWARD FUND. THIS CHANGES NO DOLLARS. IS THERE A SECOND? THANK YOU, COUNCILOR BASSAN. ANY DISCUSSION? I KNOW THE ADMINISTRATION SUPPORTED THAT. THANKS TO THE DIRECTOR FOR CLARIFYING WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET DONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER EIGHT SAY YES. ANY OPPOSED? THAT AMENDMENT IS UNANIMOUS. COUNCILOR GROUT, WE'RE BACK TO YOU, FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER NINE. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT $2 MILLION FOR HOUSING NAVIGATION CENTER BEDS. IT SAYS HOUSE NAVIGATION CENTER BEDS, FOR $2 MILLION. SO, TELL ME WHAT ARE WE GOING TO GET FOR $2 MILLION? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, OUR INTENT RELATED TO THIS IS TO -- AS YOU ALL KNOW FROM OUR PREVIOUS WORKING GROUP WE'VE TALKED TO THE MULTIPLE PHASES RELATED TO THE NAVIGATION CENTER FOR SHELTERING AND WE TALKED ABOUT A SPACE THAT HAD A DIFFERENT NAME. AND WE'RE PLANNING TO USE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES. I WAS UNABLE TO DOES NUMBERS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW THEM YET. THIS IS THE SECOND FLOOR. 50 ADDITIONAL BEDS. THIS WOULD BEGIN OUR FUNDING TO BE ABLE TO MOVE THAT PROJECT FORWARD FOR THAT ADDITIONAL 50 BEDS DESCRIBED. IT WAS DESCRIBED AS THE UNM SPACE IN THE PREVIOUS SPACE. IT IS NOT THE UNM SPACE. THAT WAS FOR PURPOSES WHAT WE INTENDED WAS ADMINISTRATIVE SPACE. WE IDENTIFIED IT CAN BE USED FOR APPROXIMATELY 50 BEDS. WE'RE WORKING TOWARD FUNDING THAT NEXT GROUP OF BEDS. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. WE JUST BOUGHT 450 BEDS FOR THE WEC FOR $350,000. FOR $2 MILLION WE'RE GOING TO GET 50 BEDS, THAT'S A LOT. >> COUNCILOR GROUT, I'M PROBABLY GOING TO SOUND LIKE A BROKEN RECORD, AND I DON'T MEAN TO. THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THAT FACILITY AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE TAKE-UP CARE OF WHAT WE ALL KNOW IS ISSUES RELATED TO THE AGE OF THE BUILDING. THE RENOVATION COST FOR EACH SPACE ARE WHAT WE ARE MAKING SURE WE'RE PACKAGING BY EACH SPACE SO WE ALL UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GETTING IN THE BUILDING. >>COUN. GROUT: CAN WE TAKE MONEY FROM THAT FOR THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE? >> COUNCILOR GROUT, COUNCILOR DAVIS, THAT IS ABSOLUTELY YOUR DISCRETION. WE HAVE ANOTHER SOLUTION WE CAN OFFER YOU. >>COUN. GROUT: MR. PRESIDEN -- >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, IN ADDITION -- IT SAYS HOUSING NAVIGATION CENTER/BEDS. I'M JUST WANTING TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR THIS IS NOT JUST TO GET 50 BEDS, IT'S FOR RENOVATION? >> IT IS FOR THE NEXT GROUP OF RENOVATION IN A SPACE THAT WILL HOLD 50 BEDS. WE COUNT BY BEDS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALWAYS ADDING THE TOTAL CAPACITY AT ALL TIMES AND WE ALSO FACTOR THAT IN. MR. PRESIDENT, FOR THE RECORD I WANTED TO SUPPORT EVERYTHING YOU HAD. I ALSO AM GOING TO STAND BY WHAT I'M SAYING FOR QUITE SOMETIME. KNOW THAT'S WHERE I'M HEADED. >>COUN. GROUT: $2 MILLION IS GOING TO GO -- $2 MILLION MORE IS GOING TO GO OVER THERE. THAT'S STILL A LOT. I HAD PROPOSED -- I HAD WRITTEN A FLOOR AMENDMENT TO TAKE THAT $2 MILLION TO THE YOUTH HOUSING NAVIGATION CENTER INSTEAD. JUST BECAUSE WE'VE GOT SO MUCH MONEY AT GATEWAY. AND I'M REALLY CONFLICTED. >>COUN. DAVIS: I THINK I FEEL LIKE YOU CAN DO THIS AND YOUR DA PROGRAM FOR ALL THE MONEY OVER THERE. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I ALSO AM CONFLICTED BECAUSE I WANT TO DO WHAT WE CAN, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WHEN YOU SAY THIS FOR THAT FLOOR AND ALL THE THINGS, NOW THAT WE'VE OPENED THIS CAN OF WORMS. WHAT IS THE TIMELINE TO HAVE THAT DONE? >>COUN. DAVIS: WHILE THEY'RE LOOKING. WE HAVE A STUDY SESSION ON THIS COMING UP. TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE DOLLARS. AND IF WE'RE NOT READY TO DO THESE, WE CAN ALWAYS BRING THESE BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING. I BET WE CAN SOLVE IT. IF WE DON'T TONIGHT. >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR BASSAN, THE TIMELINE ON THIS SPECIFIC SECOND FLOOR IS PROPOSED TO BE COMPLETE BY DECEMBER OF 2024. >>COUN. BASSAN: OKAY. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR GROUT. HOW DO YOU WANT TO PROCEED? >>COUN. GROUT: I'M NOT GOING TO MOVE FLOOR AMENDMENT EIGHT. NINE. WHATEVER IT IS. >>COUN. DAVIS: I HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CLERK TO BE SURE WE'RE ON THE RIGHT. >>COUN. GROUT: IT IS NINE AND I'M NOT GOING TO MOVE IT. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'LL LEAVE IT ON THE RECORD AS NINE. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO TEN. WHICH IS COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. ON -- I MOVE AMENDMENT NUMBER TEN. ON ATTACHMENT A, CHANGE THE FOLLOWING. OPERATING 110, INCREASE THE AMOUNT BY $660,000. ON CAPITAL FUND DECREASE THE APD VEHICLES BY $340,000. PARKS DECREASE BY $400,000. UNDER MUNICIPAL DEVELOPMENT DECREASE THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMPLEX BY $1 MILLION. THE AMENDMENT INCREASES THE MUNICIPAL DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY COMPLEX LAND ACQUISITION. THIS WILL BE FROM THE AVAILABLE GENERAL FUND BALANCE FROM PARKS AND REC AND CIP FUNDED EMPLOYEES AND 300. THIS ONE IS FOR PUBLIC SPACE. >>COUN. DAVIS: I'LL SECOND FOR THE DISCUSSION. FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER TEN. ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT POLICE CARS? COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: ARE WE PULLING MORE MONEY FROM POLICE CARS? >>COUN. PEÑA: MR. PRESIDENT, NO IT'S STILL PUBLIC SAFETY. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: OKAY. IT'S STILL GOING TO PUBLIC SAFETY? >>COUN. DAVIS: NOT DEFUNDING, WE'RE REFUNDING. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON AMENDMENT TEN? ANYTHING ELSE? FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER TEN. GOING ONCE. TWICE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. ANY OPPOSED? THAT IS UNANIMOUS. WE'RE BACK ON THE TABLED -- >>COUN. GROUT: WITHDRAWN. >>COUN. DAVIS: I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO WITHDRAWAL FROM THE TABLE AMENDMENT FOUR. SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES. GREAT. WE'RE BACK ON AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR. COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. ADMINISTRATION HAS FOUND WE CAN SPLIT IT AND TAKE $110,000 FROM CITY CLERK AND THE REST OUT OF VEHICLES. FOR NOW. IS THAT OKAY? IT'S STILL PUBLIC SAFETY. >>COUN. DAVIS: THE SPONSOR IS REQUESTING A TECHNICAL CHANGE THAT WOULD TAKE $110,000 FROM THE OFFICE OF CITY CLERK AND $110,000 FROM THE VEHICLE LINE ITEM ALREADY IDENTIFIED IN ITEM SECTION THREE, WHATEVER THAT IS. I THINK THE CLERK KNEW ABOUT THAT BEFORE I DID. DID YOU GET THAT, JUST TO BE SURE? >>COUN. SANCHEZ: IS THAT STILL PULLING FROM POLICE? >>COUN. GROUT: $110,000. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN DO WHAT I SAID? >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, THAT IS NOT CURRENTLY IN THE PLAN. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: AGAIN, I'M GOING TO SAY IT. APD IS WAY TOP-HEAVY. AND SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE OVER THERE BECAUSE WHAT WE NEED IS RANK AND FILE AND POLICE CARS. WE DON'T NEED PEOPLE UP THERE NOT DOING THEIR JOB OR ANYTHING. IF YOU DO AN AUDIT AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, YOU WOULD FIND THERE'S PLENTY OF PEOPLE NOT DOING THEIR JOB AND ONLY SUPPLEMENTING RETIREMENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON SPONSORS AMENDMENT? >>COUN. GROUT: I HAVE A QUESTION FOR SOMEBODY DOWN HERE. THERE ARE SET ASIDE FUNDS, PUBLIC SAFETY SET ASIDE FUNDS IN THE DISTRICT. IF SOMEBODY OFFERED PUBLIC SAFETY FUNDS. HOW CAN WE PULL FROM THAT? LET'S SAY THEY'RE OFFERED. >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR GROUT, SET ASIDE FUNDS THROUGH THE GO BOND PROGRAM WE WOULD HAVE TO DO A CAPITAL ASSET. YOU COULD PLEDGE SOME OF YOUR SET ASIDE FUND FOR VEHICLES AND OUT OF THIS CLEAN UP BILL WE TAKE THE $110,000 OUT OF THEIR IDENTIFIED VEHICLES TO AFOR THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S PILOT PROGRAM. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, I'M HAPPY TO DO A $110,000 FROM MY DISTRICT SEVEN SET ASIDE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY TO GO TO APD VEHICLES SO WE CAN GET THIS FULL AMOUNT FOR THE D.A. AND THE PROJECT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET COMPLETED. THAT IS MY -- IT'S NOT IMMEDIATE, BUT WE CAN MAKE THAT WORK. AND THE REASON I HAVE THAT EXTRA MONEY IS BECAUSE CHIEF MEDINA FOUND ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THE THING I SET THAT MONEY ASIDE FOR. I APPRECIATE HIS ALWAYS BEING VERY SUPPORTIVE OF DISTRICT SEVP. WE CAN DO THAT. >>COUN. DAVIS: ALL THE MATH PEOPLE ARE NODDING. COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. GROUT: CAN WE VOTE ON THIS? >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR GROUT, WHAT ARE WE VOTING ON? >>COUN. GROUT: $110,000 FROM CITY CLERK. >> YOU VOTED ON THAT. AND SEPARATELY TOMORROW WE EARMARK THE SET ASIDE. AND IF WE COME BACK TO DISCUSSION ON THE NEXT ITEM. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? THERE YOU GO. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR? SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THAT. COUNCILOR BASSAN, HOW DO YOU VOTE? YES MA'AM. I DON'T THINK WE FINISHED VOTING. WE'LL JUST GO BACK. [ INAUDIBLE ]. >>COUN. DAVIS: FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR AS REVISED. [ INAUDIBLE ] >> FROM THE CITY CLERKS OFFICE. AND $110,000 FROM APD VEHICLES. >>COUN. DAVIS: THERE'S A SECOND FROM -- DOES THAT CLARIFY, COUNCILOR LEWIS? >>COUN. LEWIS: WE'RE STILL DOING APD VEHICLES? >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: ALL OF IT FROM THE CITY FIRST FUND? [ INAUDIBLE ]. >>COUN. GROUT: CAN WE DO THAT? >> MR. PRESIDENT, I'M SORRY, I'M NOT SURE. COUNCILOR DAVIS, THE FUNDS RELATED TO THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE IS RELATED TO THE BACKLOG. WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO ADD STAFF RELATED TO THAT. IT WILL REDUCE THE AMOUNT FOR THAT, BUT WE WILL STILL HAVE FUNDS IN THAT CITY CLERK FUND TO SUPPORT WORKS RELATED TO INCREASING THE STAFFING FOR THE -- >>COUN. GROUT: OKAY. >>COUN. LEWIS: MR. PRESIDENT, WE JUST HAVE TO FIND THAT OTHER SOURCE. $120,000 OF ANOTHER SOURCE. WE JUST NEED TO FIND IT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THE QUESTION HAS BEEN CALLED. MOTION TO CALL THE QUESTION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR CALLING THE QUESTION SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THIS IS IMMEDIATE VOTE. END OF DEBATE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED TO CALLING THE QUESTION? COUNCILOR LEWIS. THAT CALL FOR THE MOTION CARRIES. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR AS REVISED WITH 110 AND 110 SPLIT. SAY YES AND RECOGNIZE YOUR HAND. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? FLOOR NUMBER FOUR CARRIES. THAT RESOLVES OUR AMENDMENTS. WE'RE BACK ON THE BILL AS AMENDED MANY TIMES. COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I WAS VERY PLEASANTLY SURPRISED WHEN I GOT THE CALL FROM CAO ABOUT THIS BILL. I'M HAPPY THAT THEY HAVE WORKED HARD TO ACCOMPLISH MANY, MANY THING FOR THE CITY. I AM ALL THANKFUL FOR THE STAFF FOR EVERYTHING THEY DID TO WORK HARD TO MAKE IT HAPPEN WITH THE ADMIN TO HOPEFULLY ACCOMMODATE ALMOST WISHES. WITH THAT I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF R-193 SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. COUNCILOR BASSAN, OUR LAST ITEM OF BUSINESS IS YOURS. >>COUN. BASSAN: R195 IS REAPS APPROPRIATING FUNDS FOR THE GO BOND PROGRAM. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR PEÑA. ANY DISCUSSION? >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT. JUST MAKING SURE WE APPROPRIATE THE FUNDS THAT WAS APPROVED BY VOTERS. THANK YOU, VOTERS, FOR APPROVING THE GO BONDS. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF R-195 RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. THAT MATTER CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. WE DID IT ALL. GOOD JOB. THANK YOU FOR PINCH HITTING WITH US THIS EVEN. THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS FOR THIS MEETING OR THIS COUNCIL. WE ARE DONE. SEEIA NEXT YEAR. SEE YOU NEXT YEAR.