e e e e e e e e e it's uh 7 o' I'll call the uh Town board meeting for July 15th order first item on the agenda is the approval of the agenda Patrick do we have any changes uh no just an additional supplement uh to for eight e on your agenda all right uh do I have a motion to approve the agenda no moved second all in favor to say I I hope that's Pur lose power here there's a lot of power to we're faltering push Steve you looked over the bills you have we have a motion to approve move to approve second that all in favor to say I I I all opposed that motion carries I number four is the approval of the minutes of July 1st 2019 anybody have any corrections I spoke with Patrick earlier about a couple and I heard from two people today yeah see his were different than mine yep oh within 10 minutes of each other were the corrections made then absolutely all right then well do I have a motion to approve the amended minutes so moved have a second I'll second all fa say I I I opposed that motion carries item number five is a consent agenda list Scott you want to take care of that all right item 5A night to unite Proclaim Tuesday August 6th 2019 as night to unite in Whitebear Township and call a special Town board meeting for Tuesday August 6th 2019 beginning at 5:30 p.m. item 5B a special Town board meeting call a special Town board meeting for Thursday August 1st 2019 beginning at 7:00 p.m. at columb I park 1756 Highway 96 to tour the Whitaker treatment Wetlands sponsored by vammo item 5c administrative driveway variants in accordance with Town ordinance number 35 section 99-63 e and based on staff review and recommendation and approval ratify the town clerk's issuance of an administrative driveway variance at 5412 Eagle Street item 5D ride of way permit based on Town engineer review and recommendation and including his recommended conditions approved the XL Energy permit to replace a failed electrical underground service for the residents at 5671 Orchard Avenue which will require Directional Boring item 5e monthly financial report receive all right do I have a second on the uh consent agenda item second all in favor say I I I'll opposed motion carries and six old business we have none seven is a public hearing we don't have any this evening we're going to move on to item 8 a this is the billing inspe inspector's item uh second quarter construction report all right if I can zoom this in a little bit maybe not there we go okay second quarter 2019 uh construction activity report uh for the month of June town did not issue any uh permits for new houses uh for throughout the year 2019 there's been four new home permits issued uh valuation $1.3 million uh compared to last year at this time uh the town issued seven new home permits um just over $1.9 million in evaluation miscellaneous residential permits uh month of June 55 uh residential building permits were issued at a value of $738,000 in construction evaluation uh 220 residential permits were issued uh up to this point of 2019 uh just just over $2.8 million in construction evaluation uh compared to last year uh second quarter totals 253 uh residential building permits uh just over $3.3 million in evaluation commercial construction uh mon of June two smaller uh commercial building permits were issued $30,000 in valuation uh total for the year commercial construction 10 building permits were issued uh just over $2.1 million in evaluation uh compared to last year at this time Town issued 17 commercial uh building permits just over $4 million in evalu valuation uh gives us totals for the first half of 2019 were 237 building permits uh $6.3 million in evaluation uh compared to last year the total permits for the through the second quarter 279 permits and just uh under $9.3 million an evaluation The Three Oaks project those do those have to there's none issued in is that year to date is that four there nothing this year for Three Oaks for Town Homes um yes the four that are they're considered single family yes okay four permits that were four new house permits were all in Three Oaks okay this sh uh in your packets chart on the numbers of permits and types of permits that were issued uh the first quarter here uh all the different permits the town issues Plumbing electrical mechanical uh fire and Zoning permits shows how they're split up uh percentages uh the total for the first quarter 188 permits um this is the second quarter total permits issued as you see half of them were building permits uh and the total for the second quarter is 365 total permits including building and all the mechanical permits uh the other uh bar graph in your packet last 10 years of total permits issued um first quarter and second quarter totals um as you can see uh construction permits that we have issued the town has issued um is low is hasn't been this limited um since 2014 was the um last time we had this few building permits issued um that is all I had for the construction report if you had any questions got anything Ste anything else all right thanks Mike all right moving on item 8 B we got Anthony and Morgan Abbott 5216 Grand Avenue Tom you going to take that one all right we'll take that go over here of the location of the property uh it's located in the Whitebear Beach neighborhood order the left hand side here this is Grand Avenue Portland Avenue Stillwater Street this is the Abbott's home right here at 5216 Grand Avenue and they are requesting approval of a uh right of-way setback variant of 13 1/2 ft which would allow them to build a three- season porch uh and that is an area of the home that's currently a deck that can be seen right here or not seen very well right there this is better this is their home right here Grand Avenue again so this is an area that uh deck was constructed in the home in 1997 Town approved a variance for that deck at that time the Abbotts simply want to convert that deck into a three season porch uh bumping it up the height of the home same roof line as the home as proposed uh same dimensions as the existing deck and again that was uh consistent with the variance that was approved by the town in 1997 when uh variance board was reviewing that variance and also the variance board and Planning Commission reviewing the variance um this time around took a strong look at this block right here first off this is considered an undersized corner lot of record but if you look at the other structures in here they at that time we found that six out of the eight homes on that block didn't meet setback requirements since that time I believe this home had burned down to the ground was reconstructed to meet uh setback requirements um but you still have a number of homes that are are a little shy of the RightWay setback as shown here so this went through variance Board review Planning Commission review uh both uh reviewing bodies made recommendations to approve the variance as requested and that was a 13 1/2t rideway setback variance was there any uh plans for another doorway going out going more towards into the RightWay with or is everything going to the west or so the only steps current if you want hang on just a second we'll have you come up yeah I don't recall seeing any in the not towards uh Stillwater Street here all right if if the applicant you want to come up and just introduce yourself with your [Music] address Anthony a it so the only only gate we have is on the left side of this picture you can kind of barely see it it's where the the kids kitchenet is like right there you can see it like a little white blur in the bottom corner and the only we have just a gate there so you can get furniture in cuz that's where the living room bedroom or the living room kitchen area is okay so but you have no plans on coming any nothing else that would be coming closer to the road if we did steps at all it' be coming off where that current one is and heading towards the the front of the house heading north you know if uh when that deck was built if the footings were big enough to sustain a building on top I have to add footings to support the roof yeah the existing footings are only good enough for the roof itself or for the deck itself all my new roof has to be supported through new supports you got any questions no no n that all right thank you sir all right anything else Tom no that it all right uh Scott were you at the Planning Commission for this one no I was no I was I actually went to I'll pick on me I'll take it I'll make a motion based on the variance board Planning Commission and staff review and recommendation approve the 13.5 foot RightWay setback variance to construct a three season porch at 5216 Grand Avenue I'll second that motion made in second and all in favor say I I I I all opposed and motion carries good luck sir all right item C this also you Tom Patrick O'Brien uh 1382 Top Lane yes all right another area of the town here this is uh Top Lane along here here South Birch Lake Boulevard right here the border between the town and the city along South Birch Lake Boulevard the uh Property Owners Mr O'Brien has a uh corner lot it's kind of oddly configured this is their existing home at 1382 Top Lane driveway accessing Top Lane and they are requesting Town approval to split the lot into two parcels shown on this plan right here so again this is the O'Brien home and garage they would like to separate this property from this property creating a new buildable lot now this property with the home on it as proposed is 90 ft wide 207 ft deep approximately that meets the town that exceeds the town's minimum lot size requirements the second lot proposed as a corner lot 89 ft along South Birch Lake Boulevard 110 ft along Top Lane total square footage 900 9,790 square ft that's a little shy of our corner lot minimum width requirements and also square footage requirements so they're asking for a variance lot width lot square footage um variance here this Dimension is okay lot width lot square footage variants uh approval by the town um 8905 this is a corner lots are supposed to be 105 ft so this one is actually 15.95 short of that so that's a 15.95 ft uh Frontage variants the square footage again proposed at 9790 Town's minimum requirements 12,000 Square ft they're asking for a lot area variance of 2210 Square ft um Planning Commission variance board both recommended approval uh of this quite a bit of discussion but they did recommend approval of allowing the undersized lot but they did uh the Planning Commission did make a recommendation that uh if approved no future variances be permitted for any homes going on this lot the new lot here in addition uh requirements that a utility hookup fee is paid this lot was only assessed for one unit when assessments went through the neighborhood here so that would be du a utility hookup fee in addition to sack and whack and local uh fees a park dedication fee uh provision of drainage and utility easements around the perimeter of both Lots but avoiding any structure uh so those were the recommendations um the variance board actually asked the Planning Commission to consider shifting this lot line 10 ft this way to create a little bit more square footage for the lot Planning Commission recommended going with the uh subdivision as proposed right here so again both the minor subdivision which is being requested was recommended for approval subject to conditions uh and including the variances for this lot here in square footage and lot Frontage was there any discussion on which way that lot would be accessed with a future home uh there was not staff recommendation would be off of Top Lane and by adding if you could get another 10 ft what's that add you for square footage I'm just concerned because I don't think we've ever allowed a lot split with this small lot it's about 900 additional square feet that gets us over at least over 10,000 right yes my my main concern is just setting precedence that all of a sudden now we're going to battle other future developments wanting to be able to use this as an example to decrease the lot size yes uh and that was obviously part of the consideration the other consideration was the abing lot next door you can see approximately the same size that's a uh that's a lot of record with a home on it I'm not sure when that one was subdivided but it looks like it was taken off of maybe even this particular lot here some time ago so yeah undersized lot of record it is consistent with a couple Lots in this area however got got any questions no well I I listened to the Planning Commission and I you know that was only Ron was not he didn't like it but they felt very comfortable with it and that it wasn't a problem setting any precedent but I don't know the desert isn't to be honest Tom is there a way of tying this lot split into just that area or not uh I don't know which one What's this called the I'm not sure how you would do that I mean it's R1 zoning consistent you know it's zoned this way throughout the town well off hand do you know what the minimum is we've ever allowed this just seems like we're creating an awful small lot yeah it is it's smaller than normal um typically we see subdivisions that uh you know they're 150 ft wide want to split it into two and they' need 5ot variance for each lot or only a square footage variance for one of the Lots or both of the Lots so this is a little bit of a departure um you look at the configuration of the lot as it was platted and it kind of lends itself to a a corner lot like this it's an oddly configured lot but it is quite a bit of a departure from our minimum requirements if you move that uh would be the south east property line 10 ft you still have room for the 10t easements against the original house uh yes as we described it so these easements would not be able to go through a structure so basically an easement would go up to and then wrap around a structure and then Pi it up back here and that's for Lending purposes we found that lenders don't like easement going through a home or a garage so we've have uh in similar situations we've asked that they just go ahead and describe it right around the structur so the property owner didn't he he didn't he was at was he at one of like the variance meeting and he did he have an issue with that what was proposed by the variance board for and and changed by the Planning Commission may remember I don't recall I'm having AIG issue with that no mean I it it would make for an utter configuration of this lot you know a little bit of a flag in the back here but it comes closer to meeting our square footage requirements I don't know Chad is this are we stepping on some you're pushing it this is I mean where is the undo hardship where's the pra I guess where's the Practical difficulty or the reasonable use of the property but yeah and it it's one thing I would say it's it appears based on the Planning Commission discussion that it does it's consistent with the neighborhood so it doesn't change the character of the neighborhood but nonetheless you are you are deviating quite a bit from your own uh your own standards I mean I don't want to make this a complicated project either but it it sure would be nice to get a little more there somehow at least to get it to that 10,000 mark this one here is smaller yeah unfortunately app I don't see the app can here tonight so not sure if you want to uh continue this until later in the meeting and give them an opportunity to show up or uh when's the 60-day period run out by moving that that takes care of that August 4th yeah I think our yeah August 4th so which would be before before the next board meeting I believe I mean yeah the big problem here is where's the Practical difficulty that pre-existed the the pre-existing practical difficulty I mean the split makes sense looking at the area but it again we when we do this it comes back to bite us yeah that's why I was thinking if there was just some way to basically tie this to that area I don't know what that what's that area called anyway do you have a is there a subdivision name for this thing uh I don't think there is I think this is a meats and brones yeah this is a meets and brounce description so it's not part of a formal plat so the existing house right now and the shed are off the line as it is am I reading that right yes this uh and this shed may be gone now but that was encroaching on the neighbor to the I'll be the south south west but these are meeting setback requirements this garage is well was pleasure of the board I was just informed by Mike and I recall now that he's planning to tear this garage down and rebuild rebuild same has to be same size or is that going to has to meet setback requirements so I think your point is all taken I mean that's that's why the chair abstained from V voting for it cuz he not endorsing minimum smaller lots and I know you said during the Planning Commission meeting that uh there was one person that was I guess uh looking for the uh change how much other conversation was there among the members well there really wasn't that much conversation about it uh Ron the chair said that in the very meeting that he was not in favor of small of making a smaller lot wanted to have as big a lot as possible to keep the the square footage as close to what we've had in the past but uh they passed they agre every there was a motion made and and seconded and passed to to allow what where it is currently um but it does create some issues so so either our choices either pass it or or reject it CU time we're going to run out of time is that basic that's what it comes down to yes and if they can come back maybe rearranging these Lots lines to get just some I know it's it makes it more complicated but it it would help the cause I was just going to ask if we turn it down do we have to give any conditions or is that up to the applicant to come with an idea Mr chair what I'd recommend is that you reserve the right to State your your findings at the next meeting which you have the right to do so you could turn if you did turn it down you would have the uh right to set you know to adopt findings at the next board meeting well let me ask you question Chad if if at the if the applicant was at the variance meeting was willing to accept what the variance board said albe it that the Planning Commission wanted to to change it uh that is that an acceptance that he would have accepted what the variance board had proposed and we could approve it based off that and reject the Planning Commission you'd have the right to uh yes you'd have the right to remember the Planning Commission simply simply recommends it's it's a Advisory board so you'd have the right to adopt the uh findings of the variance uh variance boort if you wish instead even if we don't have a final plat showing that option well it'd be conditioned you approval would be conditioned upon uh the uh applicant accepting the terms of the VAR of the variance boort Tom do you have that number by moving it from the Varian Port I guess I don't well it would make the Lots [Music] uh Vari important minutes yeah they're there but I well it be 89.0 5 so still a variance on this end and this one would increase to about 120 give or take that's not a straight line and uh 9 by add adding 900 approximately 900 square ft so about 10,000 800 700 10,600 yeah that that get more comfortable 1,600 or 10,000 almost 10,700 I know it's it's hard without the applicant here but uh yeah if we could and i' I'd make a motion based on the variant board recommendation to that uh pending what you said the uh a new plat to lay that out but in acceptance but he has he can reject it but I don't want to have to make him wait either that's well obviously there not somebody ready to build a house on this lot no so it's not like we're he said right it just if we deny they're going to have to go through the application again then cuz we're going to run out of the 60-day right yeah and uh yes and I think you'd have to wait 6 months to apply again unless the board may be able to wave that you could wave that if you wished well I wouldn't have a problem doing that but I would like to see them I I don't know if I'm comfortable voting for something the Varan board said and we don't have the plat of what they're talking about okay just but that's up to you CU technically right now this is the application in front of us correct correct re oh any more discussion I just noticed in the the um memorandum here that the other lot that's next to it is about 9900 ft so if we approved it as is it's going to be even smaller than the small lot next to it so and another reason to justify Mak I was just think that that is another justification another Finding of facts for you well that's uh that's good grounds well then we should I'll move to um reject the uh request for minor variance on proper at 13 1382 Top Lane all right so you have a motion to deny and I have a question um do we just deny and then say what the option is or just deny well I think it'll be in the record that we've stated that uh various board options would be an alternative and we will wave the six-month delay if they if they really want to come back with that option if that's okay with you guys yeah okay so I'll second that motion all right motions made second and all in favor say I I I all opposed okay moving on EX Mr chair you're reserving the right to uh to set adopt findings at the next board meeting correct correct okay thank you all right item 8D it's also you Tom yes next turn 1185 North Birch Lake Boulevard okay we here with this one location this is North Birch Lake Boulevard right here White Bear Parkway right here this is the existing next turn building here and uh they're really busy they're expanding like crazy they have expanded and are leasing space in one of the Comstock buildings right here they've also recently signed lease with the West End of for use of the West end of the valad building which accesses Whitebear Parkway right here in order to access this building from their current site they need to go around the horn so they are hoping to get approval of a permitted use standards permit that would allow them to just build a simple little temporary driveway between their site right here and again the valid uh end of the valid building right here 16 ft wide would go over open area that's uh I think there's only one uh non landscape Quality Tree in the area right here there's a drainageway so they would propose a culvert they had proposed uh a gravel temporary driveway which would be removed at the point where the the uh lease uh lapsed so Planning Commission reviewed this they did recommend approval but they recommended approval uh subject to that being a paveed driveway uh rather than a temporary gravel driveway uh so that was their recommendation couple things that were noted that were incomplete as far as as far as the original site plan they've not located a dumpster storage area that's screened on site um it was proposed in this area right here but with the driveway now they're talking about relocating it um we to this area on the site right here which would be just fine meeting setbacks um and there is also another note that the uh building inspector had that the Landscaping plan is incomplete um working with the developer uh Mr Omar is here tonight he can comment on this on completing that Landscaping plan uh there was also a note that the business license had not been applied for yet this year that was taken care of on Friday so that is now complete so the recommendation from the Planning Commission is for a permitted use standards permit and they did recommend approval of that question well not on on this I have I have issues with the prior project that's where I'm I'm glad you addressed that because you know it's great to have plans but I want I wanted to see dates of when this stuff was going to be done because when they came came the first time it we bent over backwards to try and accommodate because we're happy for the business but I didn't we didn't see much cooperation in in in in return and so I I want to know when a temp if we approve this when is that temporary screening and thing going to take place and when is the Landscaping plan going to be done and if that's acceptable so I I need some answers yeah if you just want to introduce yourself please yeah my name is Wes omers the head of operation over at nexter we recently there for about 8 months now so to answer your question I know we had Mike over to kind of take a look a walk around about a week and a half ago and that's when we had decided to look for the new spot for the dumpster I haven't quoted that up but that was just a week ago that we got a location right the existing one that we had planned out we have the we have the the pad and everything laid out but now we're going to have to move that so timing on that will it will be done by fall for sure as for the Landscaping we're working with Peterson Company um I have an email Trail I can send you but the target is he stated actually called them today just to confirm is mid August start it's a two-e project now the only contingency he has is said it's a sliding scale with rain so if there's a bunch of rain days the Landscaping schedule gets pushed out but he's still shooting for Mid August which is four weeks away as long as we don't have any large you know wet days to slide that out and again that's a two we project should definitely will be done by Fall as well is that consistent with what you've heard Mike staff-wise are you okay with this or yes and when do you want this driveway extension we're going to start as soon as we get approval so it essentially It Be by the end of July because we've like I said we've heard this before where we give approvals and then things aren't done what you wanted done got done but what we wanted done did not yep so understand I lit I'd like to see the upgrades that Mike's talking about before we allow any other extensions or approvals no it's I don't I don't want to be harsh but we've had some issues here totally understand and I think Tom can Mike can attest uh communication has been different um we have new leadership my self included we've met with Patrick and others talking about the com stock we actually have an offer in verbal offer into that land as well so we have a lot of moving pieces to kind of clean up this area and for our business purposes only it's going to be hard to get around every day with a bunch of trucks going back and forth you know I'm trying to ease the congestion in that area oh we understand and appreciate that when is your lease agreement start it's four year I think it started uh end of May I got in the paperwork I said to you for that uh end of that other building the valid Val building yeah it's a foure relase and it starts when or you already relasing we were already there I can't move in until so I got boxes and pallets in there but no work going in there right now the question I had was um where Den noted his and the town board's inspector's concern of the other items the township have asked and their incomplete status was it just those two that you brought up okay that was my well there was three the license was the one and then there was the landscaping and the the garbage thing but the license was taken care of yeah that one electrical thing I think we defined it when he came out to of what it was it's just one of the light is not complete along the pathway yeah NOP is that major outstanding items with you Mike yeah okay again I I I I'm happy that you moved to the township when you did we bent over to help it's just that but it got towards the end of what our needs were they were went unnoticed and it was very frustrating so um I understand your your building concern and need to get your your uh new building up and going and I'm I'm I'm comfortable if it if if we can get it locked in that we get these things done as far as I'm concerned there should be a shity bond if they aren't done I mean I think you should have to come up with something saying you're going to pay if it isn't done because you moved in in 2017 I don't know that's before my time 2016 2017 and we're 2019 and still talking about Minor items and that is um not sitting well understand um I don't know what uh what we could I mean I'm I'm all for approving this but I think there has to be a condition something said that they need to complete these outstanding items on that first part in order to offer this and or there's some but I don't know what we can do Tom this driveway extension is it over both pieces of property or is it all on one or the other yeah it's on here's the layout so this is their property sneaks onto this com stock property and then extends to The Ballad property which is right here the property line is right here we could do that yeah so we wouldn't have any any jurisdiction on once it's in how they use it it's because it's between the two cuz I was thinking if they got it in you get it in and get it done but you still can't use it till the Landscaping is done but that's probably not feasible I know W I guess we would go on your personal or your uh statement that you will guarantee that these things are going to get finished for us yeah we got them and we got the landscape in we actually rebid another one because we weren't comfortable with August a we wanted to get started sooner to kind of show that good will the other quote came back same start date so we're going to stay with our original plan um like I said the land the the dumpster thing that's once I heard about that we had Mike out did a walkabout kind of talk through some of the options so we're definitely overc communicating now um to be honest with you over the last year I think we've doubled in size at that location we're busting at the seams for parking too so that's going to help alleviate some of our parking issues and it's really have you folks started working on a master plan for this complex they have a master plan they submitted that has a whole um if you pull back the other one uh over image mhm I think they already submitted to the city kind of a whole master plan that kind of wraps a whole campus that wraps all the way around um that's have been submitted already we actually are working with comto we have a verbal offer going out we're just seeing how we can work it we've worked with to kind of talk through some of the options so we're doing what we can to kind of create a clean up a whole a whole campus a whole Med device campus around there that's the long-term vision and then the valid building as a secondary option since that leaseholder now exited so that whole building is going to be open and we're I think going to have 30% of that and at some point in time we're right a first uh refusal to be able to buy that if if it does come up in addition to who knows right we got to see what the next 5e strap plan looks like yeah so move in the right direction and we want to work with you Ryan and and that's why I'm here and answer one more question may more more for our audience listening what does next turn do we do med device so Med device manufacturing so we have Manufacturing in Vietnam as well as Shenzhen China and we do design and develop of a med devices out of this location and then we do some of the manufacturing and some the lower cost countries and bring them into next turn USA to do inspection and and packout and distribution we also do some level of manufacturing for some of the large Med device companies around on the Twin Cities right out of the US site as well all right all right any other questions uh the only other questions I had would be I see that there was a culvert that's going to be planned and um I'm assuming that that would be kept flowing with winter whatever um weeds growing and then once you're done you'll pull out this driveway that's all part of the the the plan was basically it's only for our lease term and then we would just reclaim it and put it back okay all right so I'm done all right thank you well Steve as Le on to Planning Commission yeah um sure after s uh based on the Planning Commission and staff review and recommendation uh will'll approve the next turn request for a permitted use standard permit subject to the requirements set out in the permit which allows the addition of a temporary driveway from 1185 North Birch Lake Boulevard to 4843 Whitebear Parkway um and with the caveat the Assurance is that the the outstanding items that we discussed tonight will be completed most haste before Labor Day how is that I can get two months of rain be right based on tonight who knows yeah it's been a dry one already right yeah I'll second that all right motions made in second and all in favor say I I I all opposed all right you're on your way thanks Wes all right item 8 under the Public Works director we have a joint Powers agreement for the city of Birchwood yes and know I've mentioned to the board in the past about the potential connection they want to make with one of our existing manholes in our system uh in that area they had checked out a couple one alternative was to bring it across uh get easement and bring it across private property to the manhole that's in the easement on our system Line south of sore Boulevard uh that they were having difficulty obtaining that easement so now they proposed if you look at exhibit a running the line along the Washington Ramsey County Line the roadway East County Line and then digress we're move going Westerly on Southshore to the manhole at just between 2732 and 2722 sore Boulevard there's a manhole right there in the edge of the RightWay that they would make the connection to it be uh you know boring and pipe digging excavation boring combination so that's the construction so the actual agreement deals with the town the the Met Council Environmental Services requires as them to have a jpa with the Township in order to move forward with the project because they want they want MCS approval to make that connection and they need that to have that agreement in hand to give to the MCS so the the um agreement U has been reviewed by staff and the town attorney there was corrections made uh there some minor correction made uh in that time and then as of today today I believe there was one more additional correction and it was regarding on uh paragraph is it 3B is that correct Chad the correction they made I'm just the reference I'm using is that paragraph 3B yeah believe right U so they took out the uh uh quarterly basis agreement on the reading and just said that it would be read the meter be read at such time the meter is red so they they have a little flexibility they don't necessarily read quarterly and that would that would provide us with the information for billing because we will be hand billing those residents based on the flow their water consumption for sewer sewer so we set up to be able to handle that taking their their water meter readings into our system um L's working with it's with the city so they they Supply the water so they can get that information um it actually Birchwood and Birchwood is going to get yes they are set up to get that to Lear that it's 13 homes it's not a lot of homes if if because now we're taking on that discharge is would this be part of our inii problem to make sure that those lines aren't in being intruded or INF flowed it' be the uh um they line birwood city birwood has majority of their lines aligned already you know they're like us but they don't necessarily have the service lines so there potential we' get some ey and ey through the service line connections to that line I I just want to see we we take them on we're going by what they say water meters are reading and we come to find out that those pipes are in infiltrating more right and now we're going to get Nick from met Council because we're taking on more than we're showing what the meters are reading I I'm just is there any kind of guarantee that those lines are in good shape what I'm saying yeah not not the service connect service and back to should they be televised before we do this well well you would you would think that birwood should have to absorb the cost of televising them to make sure that we're not taking on an issue item number four the city shall be perpetually and solely responsible for the upkeeping and cleaning of the line but we still don't know though what they are without proof that they're not going to have a more water coming through and then what we're that's the new line they're trying to build doesn't mention the existing line right and that's what I'm that's what I'm wor worried about their existing line I'm not worried about new lines coming in we could ask them to do a flow study you know but that can vary I mean if it's a dry or wet time well but wouldn't it be more of a a telescoping well they could they could they could but if it's if depending on conditions if it's not wet ground conditions it wouldn't show as much you know uh or if it's ideally if it's like it is now probably which I guess that's my only concern with this whole project just so we don't don't step into it with them good idea good point now whether that's something that can be ask them later or is that part of the joint Powers agreement we can make that contingent upon yes I guess that's I was going to suggest Chad would you agree with that yeah you have to do it this agreement have to be contingent upon terms you're comfortable with if you sign it as is there's no obligation on the part of birwood to uh make to do any repairs to their sewer existing sewer within their within the city I mean did they fall under the uh met council's inii program birwood I believe they do and that is why they did lining on the main line but U again uh they didn't do service lines so there is still that unknown all right well Chad maybe you can help out there what what kind of wording do we need added to this trans agreement to cover ourselves because of that well again I'd go to paragraph four uh simply state that the city of Birchwood shall be perpetually and Solly respons for the upkeep and cleaning of the line constructed line constructed as well as existing lines as well as the existing line serviced by the new by this line I mean we have to work on the wording it's a little awkward right now but that point being is that they're responsible to maintain their existing line their existing lines as well as the new line I think it's a point well takeen not to pick up their liability right so we're the end user we're the end yeah we're uh is that something then obviously we'd have to have this come back to us cuz obious they're going to have to review what change oh yeah sure I mean You' have to come back work for you guys we'll continue this y continue it you I move to continue it out of curiosity Dale when it says that their existing lift station needs to be rehabilitated but it's just the cost was extraordinary do they just board it up well they'll they'll remove most of the the guts you know they'll leave and probably just fill it with sand typically that's what they do they remove the mechanical equipment and uh get it to blow grade and fill it up and cover I was curious so all right so we have a motion to continue until uh the attorney can reward some of this who made that is it me okay I'll second that all right motions made in second all in favor say I I all right Clos all right you thought that was going to be an easy one didn't you did I said theat record are you ready for the next one yeah think I am ready for this one this time so radio Replacements yes so so we there were some concerns their questions about the uh replacement program last meeting uh one being how come you know why are we only replacing they we have a Mike and some other you know it's not full accounting of the staff for the replacement but I did I was further educated that we did have been replacing some already with the current radios so the um it will be myself and the remaining staff that will get that's that eight that number eight will get replaced with this here and then we do have a base station a vehicle mounted station for Mike's pickup to put in so that answers that question then there was then there was a question about the uh purchase so so we have ancom who is on the state contract for Motorola radios they are the um qualified distributor in this area for that so staff has always had the practice of getting three quotes they got two other quotes from nonstate contract vendors because there's you know there's only one vendor from morola in this area for the state contract which just our purchasing Tom always likes to see three quotes kind of push so that is the reason in in Motorola Solutions yes is the supplier but they also supplied us a quote so if we were to do a direct purchase we could do it through motor Solutions or the other vendor if they weren't under State contract so just to show how I best way I could probably explain to show you how good a deal we're getting through the state contract purchasing so we could have purchased directly from Motorola not for that price though not for say contract we we could have purchased directly from Motorola or we could purchase from anacom which is using Motorola equipment yep okay and I just it seems funny when the purchase orders made out to the Motorola Solutions email a copy of the purchase order to anacom it just seemed kind of wonky well they in m so these local vendors also provide service for these radios where you don't send them in the Motorola so that's why Motorola works with local authorized local vendors and this and ancom happens to be the Motorola the local Motorola vendor on through the state contract now there's several other companies radio companies through the state but the pricing is all the same just for the Ser Sales and Service they're the rep locally and so the the the equipment is going to be Motorola it's just who we purchase it from and this was the better deal this was through the state contract pricing this was the better price yes on your memorandum the middle paragraph yep uh says over the last couple years field manage manager uh super visor the mechanic had received upgraded radios yes and the next line in here says another Community gave the radio to Public Works they actually did I didn't know but they do have one at Public Works that because when they initially went through this grant program um we had gotten them you know the money to pay for them the initial purchase that this another Community had received just recently another Grant and then had this ra and they didn't need it so we had to ended up with it oh so and who had that been I don't know actually don't know the name of the Comm the Russians I don't I don't I didn't know if I wanted to ask the question don't ask yeah I guess we got to be careful what we ask for it was another Community within the metro area that assure you I just didn't have to ask them do they want to give any more yeah really no unfortunately they I wish I said you got another Ada ass call that but uh they said and then you're still going to keep the other yep for uh events and for seasonal staff yes yep all right any other questions a Dale so you're looking for two motions uh receive the quotes and then approve the quote although I have a motion to receive I thought you were asking him a question um So based on the Public Works review and recommendation I move to receive the quotes oh second second sorry all in favor say I I I all opposed that motion carries and based on Public Works review and recommendation move approval approving the quote for replacement of the 8 800 mahz radios to the lowest responsible company ancom in the amount of $1,380 65 with funding from the Capital Equipment fund do I have a second second all the favor say I I I I'll oppos that motion carries all right moving on item 8G the 2019 ini project what were we just talking about approve cleaning and televising okay let me get you let me take a crack at this so um so when I back in June 3rd you approved the 2018 2019 inii project I had an administrative error in my Excel spreadsheet that did not include several rows within a column for the total so I ended up uh the majority of the work when I got the approval it was not for all the work it was for the joints the cleaning televising and Joint ceiling portion it was not for the cleaning and televising portion that we're doing an anticipation of future joint ceiling so that was the larger Port of part of the quote bid from R and Ritter so I and I I was notified by R Ritter that my math in that up and like I say it was in my administrative error in my spreadsheet so what I'm requesting the town board to approve the cleaning and televising portion which will complete that area it it's still the same area nothing's changed there it's just getting the cleaning televising portion of the project approved which is $6,995 would be comfortable that the spreadsheet is accurate now yes we are just asking yes D okay we don't get the government I need an administrative assistant so anyways and I'll put a pitch in for that thank you I'll help you out no uh anyways um so I'm yes I I made an administrative error on the spreadsheet so I'm asking Tom board I mean you can approve it or not but I'd like to continue with this program it's always the board's uh prerogative R to approve I'm recommending that we go ahead and uh approve this portion for the you know for the 60974 to so we can complete the work so and then again back to the areas the area around Bal Eagle Lake from West Avenue all the way up to H2 to Otter Lake South to the railroad tracks would it matter Dale if we looked at rebidding the problem is we're bidding something that wasn't complete so and we had two biders that didn't want to uh participate would it matter if we put this back out for bids later on when we could still get more now that they know exactly what they're bidding on actually they didn't question you know was the footages are all right there it was the the qu the error was in my subtotal it wasn't with the actual quantities or anything so the other companies one uh deferred it to uh did not want to bid on it because they couldn't uh they didn't have a packer to seal the 21in pipe joints so I mean it was their I guess their choice I said there's still a lot of televising you could do everything but that offer you know we could review that and they declined to bid the other company just said we just took on a big project we're not we've got nothing for 2019 available for work I thought would it wouldn't matter to try to re okay no and there the truly the ones I did uh contact and receive with there are the big three companies in the met in this area region region that do the work Mr Kelly was this in our budget it was and what would we budgeted for well maybe I can speak to that if I can help a little bit so so you hold so I failed to mention that but didn't Tom correct me if I'm wrong so I'll take a step I I think I have it covered Tom and I have a discussion before I even considered bringing it to the board so I have 50,000 for the project this year total I have another 10,000 for rehabilitation of manholes another 10,000 so it be 60,000 but we also had $100,000 in to purchase a televising trailer which I don't have the staff to run one if I even had it was staff wanted to get a trailer and um so in reality the total bid would be that the 32 275 plus the 69 974 and there's an error in their bid uh their quantity so it was a $10,000 less actually the M I know I didn't even want to get into the woods with this but um should let Tom answer yeah well but the the question I think Tom will have just he'll say yes we have the money the simple answer is this came in over what we had budgeted but Dale's not going to do another project that'll give us the extra money so yes we have the money perfect and why do I make for more staff at the same time I heard that help me so we we've already approved um 30 some 3227 this is for an additional 60,000 974 so it's going to be a grand total of about 92 93,000 to keep us up yes can you check his spreadsheets in the future if he wants me to I will check his spreadsheets the quantities do add up they're correct I I I trust you it was just it was a formula error in my grand total that's where the mistake was all right any other questions no I think he's been beat up yeah yeah we we put them all to dry all right thanks Tom all right can you back here too far nope wrong one I can't go too fast on this thing it just drops yeah all right so we're looking at a uh recommendation to approve the cleaning and television portion So based on the Public Works director review and recommendation I move to approve the cleaning and televising portion of the original bid approved on June 3rd 201 19 to Ritter and Ritter Sewer Service Inc for $609 do have a second I'll second it motions M second all in favor say I I I opposed motion carries all right item number 8h the Improvement Street improvements uh 2019-3 I you Larry yes uh thank you Mr chair and board members in on July J 10th 2019 we received bids for the 2019 Street Improvement project as a reminder the street Improvement project includes uh H the Hobie area Whitebeard um Parkway um east of Oak me um Park View um court or Parkview Circle and Fenway Court Weston Woods Way guilin Court and Moonlight Court um we received two bids on July 10th as I mentioned the low bid was from ta shipsky and Suns Inc in the amount of 1 million 37,5 44 um the next bid was from betweenus roadways for 1,4 or 243,000 so roughly 200,000 more than the low bid our Engineers estimate was bids were uh roughly the low bid was roughly 10% higher than the engineers estimate um was it done on a spreadsheet it was it was done on a spreadsheet sleep tonight you guys would you leave him alone I've had recent uh number of recent bids um for other communities in the past month and a lot of bids are coming in higher um for a few other communities they were 28% 30% higher so feel good now don't you yeah I was just thinking so I feel better now this bid came in roughly 10% higher um they we're hearing and and I've talked to a lot of contractors over the last month because of some of these projects and a lot of contractors with the the the flooding this spring are behind on their work they're full and they're moving work into next spring already um uh in in addition a lot of material prices are going up um due to supply costs um we and we are hearing that uh next spring that binus prices are going to increase $5 a ton um due to supply issues so while the bids are 10% higher um we we after doing a lot of talking with contractors and um we are recommending that we move forward with this um there the other aspect is interest rates are good right now and you run a risk if you did rebid in the spring that they aren't as good and I don't have a I don't have strong confidence that um if we did wait until spring that we'd get better pricing so tonight we're looking um and recommending that you receive all the bids and award a contract with ta shiy and Sons for the the bid of 1, 37,5 54 and then also uh approv construction inspection for 55,500 any questions to Larry no Tom you want to address this U obviously we're this is going to affect our budget well uh as you know we since we've started talking about the project the only way the town can fund this project is through the issuance of bonds uh so uh by having the project come in higher it just means we're going to have to sell a larger Bond uh Larry said interest rates are pretty good we'll probably get an interest rate right around 3% maybe a little bit higher than three uh on the bond uh we do need we'll need I'll need the breakdown from Larry as to how much of it's being repaid from assessments uh the utility funds and then uh a property tax levy uh when we pledge a property tax levy towards a bond every year uh we have the opportunity uh as the board uh to review what we need to Levy to pay that Bond and if we have more cash on hand or if we can find another funding source we can always lower that Levy um but we can't go above what uh is authorized in the bond sales so uh just because uh when we do the bond sale it may say that we are going to Levy 100,000 every year uh depending on cash uh availability and other funding sources uh we may not have to Levy that much but what would be the timing for this project then uh whenever Larry wants to get going no but I mean for bonding would it be next year's uh no we could get the bond issued still this year and with that next year we would probably only have uh an interest payment both in February and in uh August uh depending on the timing of the sale it might only have the one interest payment in August but I'm thinking we're still early enough in the year where we would have a a small interest payment in February and then uh 6 months of interest in August and then we'd start probably paying back uh the principal and interest the following February also gives us a little bit of time to search for some other yep fun sources yeah which the town's vigorously working on to try to yes ease the pain here uh any questions Tom no all right thanks Tom uh we have some residents that want to speak to this issue if you want to just come up introduce yourself uh your name and address yeah my name is Ron Santan I live at 783 Gil fill and court and I have been in contact with Larry and we do we do have this is my neighbor uh Sylvia Hess we do have some some concerns we had our driveways replac last year and I set Larry the specs on it we paid quite a bit extra to have better driveways so we didn't have to go through this again in the replacement in the next 20 years and so our concerns are is they going to be put back at the same specs and and with our driveway contractor last year we were able to obtain a 10year warranty on the driveways as far as uh cracking and settling we paid extra to have the ground prepared properly we paid extra for extra rebar and the amount of saw cuts so we're concerned about is it going to be put back in the same order if they have to take out part of our driveway and will we be offered the same type of warranty and I think we had a discussion at the last uh Town board meeting at over at Otter Lake about this Larry so you you covered it then but I guess I don't want to refresh our memory yeah so we we've written the the we've put notes in the plans that um they are to um you know keep those driveways in place without impacting them so saw cutting along the edge and and um removing the the curb that is damaged um without impacting the driveway now that doesn't always work the as you're removing the curb it can um damage the adjacent driveway um I think we have a better chance because these were so so newly constructed and they're they're to a higher standard I did see the spec and I think there's a good chance with with these new driveways and because they're built to that higher spec that we'll have a better chance at pulling the curb away that is damaged um against that driveway um a lot of times you have older driveway an older driveway and you're pulling out a curb that's damaged and the the driveway behind the curb is already cracked or settled and it and it's impossible not to impact that that driveway in this case these are concrete driveways built to a high standard with rebar um I think you have a a lot better chance to um pull that curb away without affecting the the driveway question is if they do have to cut it are they going to give us the same warranty and put it back in at the same specs that we have now that's why I sent you the specs yeah our our warranty for these types of projects is one year it's not a 10e and that's very disturbing to me cuz the driveways w't put in properly in the beginning and that's what we've been dealing with for the last 18 years and that's why we went with this contractor and we paid the extra money to have it done properly so that's a big concern of ours how much actual footage we talking that would be just possibly be disturbed um we've estimated uh between 25 and 30% of the curb along the area so um it's going to be it might be more it might be less it might be in front of a driveway and might not be in front of a driveway um so I I we'll we'll work with with you and try to and or work with our contractor and tell them the importance of this and minimizing the impact and that's I I've been in the construction business for 38 years I had my own business I've been in it for over 50 I have worked with shiy before they are a good company uh I understand that but we just have some major concerns about our driveway and I know at the last meeting I was there and we talked about the assessment and now the bid is 10% higher so we have a concern about the assessment also so I don't know how that's going to be dealt with we will do our best I appreciate that thank you I appreciate what you guys do as do I I'm syvia h 77 uh 779 gilfield in court I guess specifically I'm also worried about the quality of the cement being put back because as you saw in the specs it's a much higher quality than most driveways and I have seen in the neighborhood some curbs that were replaced a number of years ago that spalled it almost immediately and there's hardly anything left of them right now because it was such poor quality and so I certainly don't want that to happen to our driveways so if there's no assurance that you would not replace with same that is very very troubling thank you right anyone else all right Steve you have any other questions no I think we've passed on those we've been dealing with this for good amount of time got no all right so you're looking for three actions here Larry one the resolution one will award the contract and one to authorize tkda yes looks like uh first one adopt the resolution move based on Town Engineers review and recommendation adopt a resolution receiving the bids for the approvement 2019-3 second that motions made in second all in favor say I I oppos then the second one to award the contract make a motion to award the contract to the lowest responsible bidder ta shiy and Sun Inc in the amount of 1, 37,5 44 and adopt the resolution awarding the contract for improvement 2019 de three second that motions made in second and all in favor say I I that motion carries and the third one I'll move to authorize tkda to perform the construction observation in the amount not to exceed $55,500 up Mr chair I may um there is an error under the resolution awarding the contract um the shiy the shiy one is correct correct um the binus railways was 1.24 3 not 2243 I didn't do it you sure yeah we sure I was there for the bid opening yeah Dale's innocent this time in the second one H so anyway oh I see what page yeah 18.25 this way Chad's got it for you right there I saw the I looked at the first I assume all right you want to amend your motion there yeah well I'll amend it to to be consistent with the uh language um on page 19.24% 243 98602 was it thank you yes and now so okay with the second on that yes okay now we're back to the third one uh I I I you made the motion I made a motion to authorize tkda to perform the construction observation in amount not to exceed 55,500 I'll second that all right motions made in second and all in favor say I I I oppos all right moving on 8i the GSI implementation for step four did they do did you authorize the construction observation yes did okay okay 55,500 I got you only 20 after eight Patrick that was my question so all right lar you handling this one yes thank you um Mr chair um we've gone down the path of starting our GIS implementation and asset management and we the town board has approved um steps one two and three so far um the latest was on June 17th where the board purchased the GPS receiver to for use in uh locating and mapping Township assets um it is now uh appropriate to begin step four and use that um equipment and and locating our assets and we've put together a plan here to work uh on storm sewer assets this year from now until the end of the year um we need a few weeks to um test and um get the GPS um reading things properly and then we're ready to go and start colle starting collect uh um field assets for storm sewers is what we're recommending starting with um we have a an engineering intern that would be used until he goes back to school in September um to help uh with this uh project and then after um that inter goes back to school we want to continue with thank you with some of the the locating while the when the vegetation comes down and we can get back and and look at some of those ponds in a in a better better manner so we've we're proposing a a cost of 42,000 900 to uh complete the or to to do our storm sewer asset field location as well as the set the setting up of the device that setup once it's done will then be set up for future assets such as water main and and and sanitary sewer so tonight we're looking for um approval authorizing tkda to proceed with step four for or not to exceed amount of 42,900 so that amount is for the total sewer project or is that just for the year or what what it's for it's to go to the end of the year and we're going to gather as much information as we can between now and the end of the year um not exceeding that 42,900 if if we can get through the the storm sewer we'll move on um and if we have time move on to other assets and and start collecting them as well so the the total step four costs you we in the quarter of a million dollar range right was that right for the total it was uh this is the Del payment off the 150 to 250 and that's over a couple three years correct that's over a a few years yes we're trying to we're trying to utilize our our engineering intern to keep those costs down and then as we get comfortable and familiar with the device we'll also be teaching public work staff how to use it and when they have availability they can begin locating assets as well um if they have any downtime to to do that you got some downtime going to say how is that working don't s well you won't be doing your spreadsheets you get that ouch sorry what's that commercial you want to get away yeah all right so the the thought is that um what's the likelihood that you're going to get through all the storm sewer identification um I I think it's if if we utilize if we we have if we can utilize that full amount I think it's a good chance we can get through all the storm sewer okay and you mentioned that you're utilizing this intern until uh the person goes back in September and then what would happen after that then we would use graduate Engineers that we have that are are year round employees oh okay I see a little higher on the food chain a little bit higher but there's still new Engineers that okay okay all right all right any other questions nope no I I think you know this we've end went down this road on this project because it's a valuable project for the township so it's just another step in the whole process so I'll make a motion based on the town engineer review and recommendation authorized tkda to proceed uh with step four for 2019 GIS and asset management implementation for an amount not to exceed $42,900 with funding from the Utility Fund I'll second that motion's made in second and all in favor say I I I I'll opposed motion carries okay item 8 J the Portland wood storm sewer replacement who Island Dale well I'll help Larry on some of the background if needed but Larry's so thank you Mr chair and board members also on July 10th uh the town received uh quotes for or a quote for Portland wood storm sewer replacement um there's a along along uh port or sorry Portland there is a a storm sewer pipe that has failed and we have an emergency repair we need to make um the area is is difficult um that it's uh along a higher traffic roadway access is via small driveway um off the county road um at times because that pipe has failed if we if we have a a rainstorm and that pond fills up Public Works has to go out and uh um pump that pond um down because the pipe is is is collapsed um the collapse has also created a sink hole in the driveway um that has required uh gravel to be to fill it in so um we received the quote from pen Contracting for $ 49,682 and um in we we also sent it out to six other contractors that we're not unable to give a quote um so we're recommending that we receive the quote and authorize pen contract to perform the work for an amount of $49,500 and um hopefully they can begin that work as soon as possible with the rains tonight I'm sure we have more problems to deal with that's a general question Larry um when you first started talking about the need to do this and emergency base were you thinking it was going to be in the4 some thousand range only one bid that well we were thinking it'd be somewhat under 40 or 50,000 um we didn't do a formal um Engineers estimate we are paying higher prices when you look at the quote but it's the nature of an emergency repair and the difficulty of access is really the big um driver here and it's it's really tough to put an estimate together when um when you have those conditions and working under traffic out of curiosity how is this different than when we have a sewer line break and St Paul water has to come out and and fix it the water line water main bre yeah how is that I mean well I guess this isn't a water line but it's it's not it's not a public health Public Safety more than anything because the residents who live in the Twin town the town home twin home where the drive is that access is that's causing an issue with them getting in Access because continually the PIP more and more of its fall you're saying St Paul utilities would not attack something like this or bit on no they wouldn't do any storm work they don't they they won't do sanitary sewer pipe either they'll do water but they don't but when when there is a break and they do have to come out I mean they you you ask them they come out fix it and then we pay it yeah you don't have to put it out the bid right and in this case we're putting out the bid because we don't have a you know agreement with St Paul to do that kind of work you know that and they W they don't they won't do that kind of work with the Water Division it's a St Paul Regional water well this is part of the problem too when everybody's busy they just don't have time so we're held under the thumb good for them yeah any other questions l or Dale I I did see a note in here that they are planning to get it completed or they pipe install by August 9th all right so we have three action items here one to receive one to approve one to authorize go ahead do it based on Town engineer review and recommendation move to receive quote second second all favor say I I I based on Town engineer review and recommendation move to approve the quote dep pen Contracting in the amount of 49,000 652 for the Portland wood storm sewer replacement a second second all favor say I I I opposed motion carries and based on Town engineer review and recommendation move to authorize tkda to perform construction observation in an amount not to exceed $3,450 a second on the motion second motion made second and all in favor say I I I all opposed that motion carries all right moving on our last item is 8k computer Replacements okay Mr chair and board uh we've got a number of computers that we bought in 2011 and 2013 that are kind of old and outdated and they won't uh be supported any longer so we need to replace those uh also uh because of the gis system we need to upgrade the Public Works computers uh even though they're old and need to be replaced anyways they need to be upgraded to be able to handle the gis uh uh skada or the arc view uh program so uh before you we've got a number of computers and then the laptop that they use in the rounds truck uh needless to say gets beat up quite a bit being moved in and out of the truck um and just being moved around in the truck uh so we're recommending that laptop get uh replaced uh with a heavyduty uh tough book uh laptop she originally quoted me $2,000 on it and today at uh 405 she emailed me and said the actual price is two 2408 so um in the memo that I had there I had an amount not to exceed 9,000 and I'm hoping you'll increase that to 9500 for uh these purchases and uh if approved uh I'll have her order them uh tomorrow and then it's a matter of them uh getting them in and updating them roseville's uh who does our it uh they're hoping to have all the uh computers that they have within the Metro inet System that are still running Windows 7 they've got a number of them at the different cities uh they're hoping to have all of them replaced by the end of the year so uh this helps them stay on that schedule also so can you clarify when you say 2408 is that 2,48 or $24 $48 okay thank you just wanted to confirm I'm one of these computer types I'm a lud but what what is MF and sff stand for I have no idea what it stands for it's just uh Dell's uh model number model number and then this uh rounds truck with the laptop is that taken home who ever's on duty or uh that goes out with Public Works rounds guys that uh in the to do um locates locates uh the wells uh readings number of functions that Public Works rounds guys do meter readings so I'm still confused so if it's in the truck and the truck goes back into the garage why is it taken out well it is taken out because it would be it is mobile to be about in the field in the field it's not you know it's mounted in the truck so it isn't rolling around on the floor and stuff yeah sorry but I shouldn't mention it so the the ones you're replacing is listed on page four of this document is that the on so one was the old was bills now Patrick's getting uh no that's nothing the one that Bill had is in our workroom and that one is not being replaced and the one that's listed as uh the Public Works Gada computer that computer is was kept when we got the new SK computer just in case the old one or the new one had a problem we could keep the skater running with the old one they haven't had a problem so we don't need that one any longer either so the ones we're replacing are the ones that are listed for uh Paul peler uh the Judy Maul one uh even though that one's in the cubicle in the office uh the parks office computer uh GT's computer uh Tom's computer uh uh and Pete's and then the one at the front counter not yours not mine I had mine replaced last year I think it was or maybe it was a year before so typically these are life life expectancy on office equipment is probably five to seven years is that yeah Roseville usually tells starts bugging us to replace them about five years we push it sometimes to more than that they're all built on Windows 10 stuff yeah yeah well they say they're not going to support us anymore yeah usually what you know especially with uh some of the computers that don't get used uh as much at you know like in public works the guys aren't on them constant stantly like we are in the office uh a lot of times uh we push those out further and usually what requires them to be replaced is uh the windows version isn't being supported anymore or something else on them uh isn't being supported in order to get the new stuff onto it they need faster processing or bigger processors or something like that so um what do we do with the old ones do Roseville take them back yeah Roseville dispos them they take them clean them up and though we know that they're washed enough yeah you say they wipe it out then yeah they wipe it out clean it up and and dispose of them properly so obviously there's not a market for an old computer no not anymore there used to be but uh they've gotten kind of cheap uh where they're just it's easier to buy new all right any other questions nope so the number you're looking for is 9500 versus that 9200 yes I'll make a motion based on the finance officer's review and recommendation approve replacing eight computers and the rounds truck laptop computer at a cost not to exceed $99,500 with funding from the Capital Equipment fund and that change in the original request from 9200 to 9500 was because of a late received I quote I'll second that motion's made in second and all in favor say I I I all opposed that motion carries all right item number nine is added agenda items we have none item 10 is open time anyone here to speak for open time hearing none item item 11 uh I need a motion to receive agenda materials and supplements so moved second all in favor say I I that motion passes um motion to adjourn so move second second all in favor say I I I okay weed e