All right. Testing one, two. Testing one, two, three. Check. Testing one, two. Testing one, two, can you hear me, Mitch? >> Oh, both of >> Okay. >> Is it broadcasting? Yes. In the room. Yeah. Is it record? Yep. Mic works. Okay. So, we're starting off a little bit different today. This is my first time swearing people in for oath of office. I just got deputized today. So, we're going to do this. All right. Can I have Christa Schwinter, Judson Mintosh, Robert Bayer, and Ashley Casease please stand? I know very formal and I'm going to ask you if you could all raise your right hand please. Do you, Ashley Casease, Robert Bayer, Judson Mintosh, and Christ Winter swear that you will support the Constitution of the United States and of this state so long as you shall continue to be a citizen thereof? >> Do I do? >> I do. >> Awesome. And do you also swear that you will faithfully discharge to the best of your abilities the duties as an incumbent as a member of the planning board according to the constitution laws of the state and the provisions of the Orno town charter and ordinances? >> I do. >> Fantastic. And you will see at the you guys can sit down. You did great. And you'll see at the end if you could just sign where it says uh signature of appointee and then I'm just going to come around and I will collect them so I can sign them. I believe that's how I can. So Did that fellow Last but certainly not least democracy. Thank you. >> Thank you for letting me take your time. All right, we ready to get the show on the road. Mics on. All right, we'll start with a roll call. We have Ashley Casease, Bob Bear, Jud Macintosh, Michael Castello, John Beckett, and Christa Swinser in attend attendance. >> Can I get a motion on the agenda? >> So moved. >> Second. >> All those in favor? Uh, >> approval of the minutes for March 18th? Any comments, journs, edits? Nothing. Can I get a motion? Move we approve. >> Second. >> All those in favor. All right. Wow. All right. New business. the major subdivision review from S-class homes. First step is we would like the uh applicant to give us an overview. Is that the process we're following today? Good evening. Um my name is Jeff Allen. I'm with AE Hudson Engineers down in Waterville. And um we first presented the on this about 16 months ago back in in December of 24. Uh since then we've been working on the design and getting things lined up. So since there are some new members to the board, uh I' what I'd like to do first is just go through with the a description of the project. Uh I think uh Maddie or andor EJ did a great job writing up the uh review memo, but uh it's probably easier to see it on the on the plan. So if you're looking at the drawing, um Kelly Road is down uh at the bottom of your page. Uh this is at 76 Kelly Road, which is just this side of the interstate. Um immediately just beyond this is the Northern Light offices um that are um set back from the road some. So in the middle of the project right here we have uh an old farmhouse. So that farmhouse is um yeah at the bottom center right right there. Uh that's existing out there. So the new development will be just beyond that. And what this will consist of is uh seven duplex homes that will be set up as as shown there. Um the ones near the road will be kind of broadside to the road. uh as you go further back on the property, um I think it was a little bit more uh advantageous and uh provide a little bit more privacy for the uh tenants that will be renting these units uh to be uh perpendicular to the road. This gives them when they're sitting at the kitchen table or whatever, they can look out the window and just see fields and trees and much more pleasant than just staring at the back of another building. So what we've done is gone through and uh provided parking spaces for each unit. Uh each building as I said was is going to be two units. So we have two parking spaces per unit which is uh what I think the ordinance requires. Uh I'm not sure if you've revised your ordinance to meet the new uh state standards, but this is, you know, easy to meet this standard. U in addition to they'll have a uh a common well or no, actually they're going to be connecting into uh this the water main across the street from the farmhouse is a hydrant. And so we're setting a new water line going under Kelly Road over to just north of the farmhouse and we'll have a pump station there that will provide u water for all the units there and the farmhouse. This is um we've worked you know got consultation with the water district and ornov water district and they've bought into this plan. We have a letter in our application that that uh demonstrates that for wastewater. We have two common septic systems. uh one that's sort of in the back of the property um just to the right of the development just uh by the the standalone unit or the unit that's on the right hand side of the road and the other one is more toward the road out front. So each unit will have their own septic system and then waste water will go from that sept septic system in some cases to a pump station to be pumped back to the septic system or uh some units will will function by gravity to uh just go gravity like your home system would go. So that's that's sort of this is also a cluster development and when I was I don't know if you've worked on those um when we were here before I was working with Isabelle and uh she helped was very helpful as far as getting all of the interpreting the ordinance for me so I could understand what what you need. Uh this size lot would accommodate up to um I think it's 17 units. We're we're just proposing 14 new plus the existing uh farmhouse which will be the 15th unit. Um the requirements are you need a certain amount of open space which we have. you need um a lot of architectural details that that's why the front units are facing toward the road. That was um required that they be set up as such. Um I guess before we're um we did the layout for the units, we had the wetlands mapped and topography mapped. Uh the only wetlands are to the to the right of the unit to that you can see in in the property there. And all of our development is set back at least 75 ft from the wetlands. So we don't need any permits from D for through the Natural Resources Protection Act or anything like that. Uh we also have less than one acre of new impervious area. Uh and since this is a uh not in a lake wershed, it's just a regular u watershed that goes to the river. Uh we don't need any sort of storm water permits uh or storm water permit by rule or anything like that or the the development here. So the only development or the only permitting we need is from you folks. So I think that's that's pretty much all I have. I'd be happy to answer any questions that you have and then we can proceed as you want through the application. >> You mean to add EJ? >> Uh just uh one thing to add that we noted on on this plan I think and I put in the notes um uh utilities are required to be underground. So I think on the plan there was some utility poles but I think you may have to redesign that to have electricity go underground as you're doing it. I think we came across the road overhead. Yeah. Uh and then once it's on our property, we're dropping down to go underground. >> Yes. >> But other than that, the um as I indicated in the planning memo, um the DOT, main DOT, uh we're far enough away from I95, the ramp. Uh so we don't need approval from them. our city engineer has looked over the plan and uh gave uh her stamp of approval. So things are good to go from our perspective and I would be remiss in not saying I wish we could add more housing u but we'll take the 15 and we appreciate it. >> So I think you just clarified one of my questions was around the engineer Mandy and the call out of whether the Kelly Road would fall under M the main DOT and you're saying no it does not. >> Correct. Um we're more than 600 feet from the on-ramp. Um so main uh confirmed with Clare Winner from our region five I think region five in Bangor. So we're good to go. >> Uh any questions from the board before I open to the public? >> Uh I not sure if I read it. Is this private ownership or rental property? >> These will be rental properties. >> Okay. So that I because of that I don't have the other questions. >> Okay. That's easy. Um, I had a quick question. This is also from my vague memory of seeing this however many months ago. As I recall, there was more proposed work near the wetlands. Did is that kind of changed or is am I kind of imagining that? It's also possible. >> Um, no, this is >> I remember them being closer in my head. >> The uh one thing that we did change is the the storm water u layout. Um EJ if you have or if you have uh sheet C3 uh that shows the grading on here uh we did have the storm water even though it's not required by DP we are still meeting uh there we go um meaning the town storm water standards and what we had to do was um we had a couple under drain soil filters that were adjacent to the road. We've pulled those back a little bit and also we changed some grading because the the culvert going under our driveway uh had to have a a dip under our under the road under the driveway. And so we've relocated that a little bit away from uh Kelly Road so we have a little bit more separation between cars and and where the hole in the ground will be. But we we I don't believe we've ever been uh any closer to the wet wetlands. We tried to tried to avoid those. >> So there's no intent for the town to ever take the take over this road. >> No. Okay. I do have a question I think more for the board and for UEJ which is um you know typically in the past when we've seen these kind of um deadend um developments we've tried to push to not have that be the case right where there'd be a right of way at the end of it and it would be a road that would allow pass through and this is the design kind of hints at that that but obviously the the the the parcel doesn't allow that are we so in the past I guess when we've seen these things that we've pushed for that essentially which is a rightaway at the end of it to say all right let's and I don't even know if if the size of this road would allow that to happen so I don't want to I didn't see this 16 months ago I must have been on a trip or something >> yeah this this did I think I do recall somebody mentioning this and it there's no right of way on the back side of this to tie into. >> So what we've generally done is we've tried to facilitate that, right? Which is we try to get a right of way so that if but that would require that this become a town road. And if we're saying that none of that's happening here, um I don't know what that means, right? So we're trying to prevent as a town is a bunch of dead-end neighborhoods and try to create more of an interconnected system of of neighborhoods. And this is >> another dead-end neighborhood. So I it might be too late down the path. Um, but I figured I'd time that. >> Sure. The the other I think the other issue that we talked about earlier was if we were to extend the road, we'd go straight through a wetland. >> I see that. Yeah. >> And that's >> you could be right like you have this little offshoot I see in your design. >> Yeah. Where we're putting the dumpster. >> Yep. Yep. So that but um you know the fact that this would not be a town road kind of changes the complexion of it. So Okay. Any other questions before I open it for the public? No. >> All right, let's open the uh to the public. Anyone who'd like to ask questions of the applicant or make comments, please come up to the mic. And anyone online? Mitch. Mitch. Oh, >> Mitch is gone. It's you, EJ. If we do have any questions online, now is the time to ask. We have one person online who's a guest. All right. Well, let's close the public comment. Um, this is the preliminary, so there'll be one more pass through here um for the final. Um, any other comments, questions? >> I'm not sure exactly where we are on this. I remember from last time we discussed this that we did discuss uh buffering and uh I don't in these what we have here I don't see any sign of where the buffering is going to go. >> I'm sorry I didn't hear you what we're >> especially I'm sorry I think this the I'm sorry I had my mic off. We're talking about buffering >> and uh I think it's especially important along the west >> western edge of this where it uh is next to the um northern light facility and we have what was it two of the uh duplexes facing right in that direction and it seems to me that that's really an important place to do some buffering. Uh looking at the um aerials that are included, aerial photos that are included in our package, it looks like there's enough native vegetation uh of some kinds of trees that have started to grow up uh in the area closest to uh Kelly Road. But as you move up towards the Northern Light facility, there's nothing on the side of this property. It's all on the other side where, you know, there's no control over it as to what might happen. So, it seems to me that this is an area we really should plan for some buffering >> on the upper left. >> Along the left side, yeah, they western side. I don't have a sense of where that building is for Northern Light. Is it Is it farther in? Is it farther north than those two? >> Yeah, the the property line uh I'm looking at the uh aerial that's in here. Uh the property line goes sort of to the middle of the Northern Light building. And so looking out the windows from these uh units would basically be staring at the driveway. >> I see. Still the driveway. >> Yeah. And so is it is it typical do you guys normally buffer uh residential from usually you buffer uh to protect the residential this is residential against commercial is that do you often buffer commercial property is that I don't know if that's in the ordinance I may have missed it >> I don't it's likely that's not in the ordinance but usually sometimes there's some latitude is the concern concerned of them people in that those units being able to see >> I'm concerned about the residents what they see >> yes because it's a medical facility is that >> part of the concern or >> if the medical facility for some reason decides to cut down the trees on their side then u you know this these people are going to be looking out in that direction and it's not going to be terribly Nice. So, uh I think that's and as I say part of that area is already occupied according to the um aerial photos that we have is already occupied by native vegetation. You just need to tend to the part that's further to the north that uh isn't covered by native vegetation. So, it's not a big it's not a big project. >> Do you want to add that as as a recommendation or do we want to just say when you come back for the final >> did you consider this? I think we we talked about this last time and I think we came to the conclusion that we really wanted to have buffering there and I noticed that our engineer raised the issue of buffering. >> So you you'd we'd propose maybe to plant some trees along the property line. Is that what you would envision? >> Yeah. Yeah. I'd like to see some additional buffering further up towards the north where there isn't already native vegetation on your side. >> So, okay. So the the >> property >> I I think I just so I understand it clearly uh it would be buffering um between our our northern or our building that's on the north our northern building between that building and the eastern or the northern light building. >> We don't need to buffer the driveway. So, you know, we're looking at maybe eight or 10 trees. I think that we we could probably agree to that. >> So, it' be up along the property line. >> Yeah. >> Is that okay? >> Should I This is a This is a new to me, you know, buffering commercial property from residential. So, >> is it a recommendation or a requirement? >> Uh, I mean, I think I'd ask the board like how does everybody feel about it? >> I think it's a good recommendation. Again, I don't believe it's in the ordinances. >> Yeah, there's there isn't in the ordinance to to buffer between, you know, that the residential as far as I'm aware. >> Yeah, I'd also put it in the recommendation category. We may if if Northern Lights chooses to leave their vegetation on that side, could we delay planting until they cut them down? >> Well, the problem is then it's too late. Like we're not you're not going to come back before the board. So we try to not have some sort of requirement that oh in 10 years this has happened and now well 10 who knows in 10 years what would happen. >> Okay. >> At least that's my two cents. So like I setting something up like that up seems why don't we because we have a final review I would say keep it under consideration. Is that fair? And we'd add a a 14th item here under conditions which is we recommend that you come back with a >> with the planting plan for the northwest corner >> and it' be a recommendation. Is that fair? So that would be item 14. All right. Um, any other comments? >> Can I get a motion? >> I can do it. Oh, yeah. If you like it. >> Yeah. And and wrap up that 14th. So, >> well, I won't go through them. I'll just mention >> Just mention the 14th. Perfect. >> Yep. I move to approve the preliminary major site plan application of this S-class homes incorporated who are an authorized agent of AE Hudson dated April 15, 2026 to complete the proposed clustered subdivision with a total of 15 units on 8 54 acre lot with the physical address of 76 Kelly Road. Taxbacks map 30 lot 17. Per the findings of facts we received dated April 15, 2026 subject to the following conditions. There were 13 original conditions and the other condition was a recommendation for a buffering on the extreme northwest side of your property. >> I I don't think we got a second. Can I get a second? >> Second. Second. Uh, all those in favor. >> Okay. Thank you. Thank you. And I'll coordinate with uh the planners to see when we can come back. >> Thank you. Yep. All right. The second item uh is a minor site plan review application by Lewis Melodrona. if I pronounced that correctly and Barbara main guy do savage your own home business if you could come up and give us a summary. So, we're a little bit new to speaking before a group, such an august group. Um, but basically, uh, we bought the house next door to us. And, um, we have been having an office in Bangor, but we use it very rarely. I see probably, uh, I average two people a week in the Bangor office. and I'm a psychiatrist. I work full-time for Aadia. Um my wife Barbara is a psychotherapist and um I don't actually know how many people she averages per week, but mostly we work teleaalth um for our private practice, but we wanted to not have to go into Bangor to see the few people that we see. So, we wanted we're proposing that we have an office in the first floor, the bottom floor of the building that we bought and then uh we plan on renting the second and third floor um probably to two people. We're talking to a couple uh people from Wabanaki right now about uh renting it. We we do a lot of work with the Wabanaki people and um so uh that's our plan and um so I don't think it I don't think it involves a lot of traffic. It's mostly for our convenience to not have to go into Bangor um and to be you know we're getting older. We'd like to just commute next door. Um so I don't know. I don't know what else to to tell you. I think there's adequate space um for the few cars that would come to park. And um there's a sanctuary spa right across the street from us, which is quite commercial, much more so than than we would be. Um but uh I don't know. What did I miss? Do you want to >> um No, we just So we've been uh renovating it. there were some it wasn't the basement space was unfinished and had some issues. So, we're working on that now and that's what we've been um establishing. We've put in an accessible uh bathroom and we're making it putting a ramp up and uh I'm a creative arts therapist. It would be a great space to be able to have people come. There's lots of parking and uh space in the basement to be able to um people work with art, writing, poetry, sound as as well as conventional therapy. Um yeah, so that's what we're hoping to be able to do. And it it's uh so I I probably see I get I think the largest number of people would be about four a day but that is unlikely that that would be what I would expect for a practice and as Lewis said we do lots of teleaalth and we have people with mobility issues so it is a nice space for people to be able to have some accessibility very easily. down in the in the basement >> and we see we see a lot of people from the reservations and most of them are tellahalth because of the distance involved. So we see people from Sabak and Township and Holton band of malice and that kind of thing. >> EJ anything to add? Uh the one thing I think we ought to perhaps clarify um as I hear you present um is to to document the fact that you currently live next door. Um so can we assume that you yourself would not drive next door >> to park there and take up some of the spots considering people would be living on the second floor. So we may want to note that somewhere that >> we have very adequate the event that you stop living next door and have to become like you're an employee and you're coming to that place that changes sort of the parking dynamics. So, we may want to revisit that or at least put a note in there that >> I think that that's unlikely as long as we're vertical. >> We also we we have in the p we we have permission from the sanctuary to park in their lot or and right now anyone who comes to see us has permission. So, we have worked that out, but yes, we can. >> But we're planners. We like to make Yes. Make sure anything that might happen. >> We have that contingency covered. >> Uh, all right. Um, before we open to the public, just to clarify that, if they don't live in the I don't want to throw a wrench here, but if they don't live in the home, can it still be a home business? Do we do we have an issue? I don't know. >> Is there an o owner occupied requirement to >> Maybe that's where we missed the boat because I thought we thought you were living. >> We live at 288 and we bought 292, >> right? So you live >> and Yeah. And we wanted to turn and the basement it's an open it's a in a hill so it's an above ground basement kind of situation >> was already adapted. So, we wanted to put our business there. >> I mean, they own it. >> They Yeah, correct. >> They don't live in it. You >> Yeah, maybe that's where we >> Yeah, we may have to investigate a little bit. The fact that they live next door may not Yeah, we may have to look into it more. >> Yeah. my inclination not we don't want to to be clear we don't want to we if you know all things equal this seems like a good thing but at the same time we need to make sure we are following the ordinance and if we don't follow the ordinance and we make a mistake then that's not good for either of us and we're not clear now if your definition of a home business meets our definition of a home a home business >> as I guarantee you I thought through thinking that they were living upstairs >> um I have a question because we I have seen something similar to this. We had one on Outer Forest. Do you remember? It was a similar type of practice. >> Yeah, they had it on. >> And they did not live there. Was that one? Do we remember if that was a home business or if that was zoned for that specific youth? >> So, they lived there. >> I thought they lived there. >> Oh, they do. >> Well, so to be clear, there was a second unit on a on the same property they lived in the main house and they were turning the second unit into >> Okay. So it was kind of it was a different situation that they were on prem and it may where very well be perfectly fine. I just I've never in this I don't know 20 years had this scenario >> for the sake of conversation. Is it possible if we're inclined to approve this that it be conditional on a followup >> to make sure that you dotted your dots and >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> We can make you make it conditional. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yep. >> All right. >> So they don't have to come back. They don't have to go back. >> Okay. >> I have a question. Could it be seen as a compound, a family compound? >> Just we >> because it's two separate parcels, two separate properties. Yeah. I don't >> Okay. >> You could if you then merge them into a single, you know, legally, which I don't even know if you could do. >> We'll have to take a look. We'll let we have to look at the size of each lot and Yeah, >> it's a good idea, Michael. >> Possible. We'll investigate it through so you don't have to jump through more hoops to to come. >> Okay. >> So, before I open up to public comment, are there any other questions from the board? >> All right. Anyone online? EJ. >> Uh, see, we have one guest online. They have any questions, they can raise their hand and we'll invite them over. No, no questions. >> All right. Who wants to make a a um a motion and kind of wordsmith this caveat? >> I already did one, but I'll do the second one if you need. Should we workshop the caveat with EJ to make sure that we've got it? I think we should workshop it for a minute. >> I know I don't typically speak. I was wondering if as um a condition or a unique condition we could add just registering as a rental because I think that might have been a more recent development or we didn't include it as much in there. So just registering with the town as a rental >> which they need to do in addition to us verifying. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> So two additional conditions. >> So register with the town's rental registration program. >> Is it we we need to do it as new owners because I'm pretty sure it's been a rental for a few decades. But we're happy to um re-registration. >> Yeah. It's fine. Yes. 25 bucks a year. >> Yeah, you got it. >> And then two is going to >> were to be conditional on the town revisiting the uh expectation of our resident what was it? Uh a homeowner business. >> Home home occupation. >> Yeah. >> Yes. As a non-owner occupied unit, >> does it still qualify as a home occupation or home business for it? You got it. Well, I don't I don't I don't think I'm supposed to do it. Oh, okay. Is that right? I mean, I don't I don't think it's the chair I'm supposed to do. >> I have a question. So, does occupied mean you have to sleep there? >> Correct. >> Ah, yeah. >> Okay. >> Anybody want it? No. I move to approve the minor site plan application review uh review application of Dr. Lewis, I am sorry I will not be able to pronounce your name. >> Mel Maderna. >> Mel Madna and Barbara Jane Manguy. To establish the home occupation of a home professional office within the existing structures at 292 Main Street, which is on tax 31-001, lot 60 per the findings of fact dated April 15, 2026. subject to the following conditions. Previous conditions that were listed and presented to us uh with two additional conditions. The owner will be registering their new home occupation as a rental property with the town and condition on the town uh establishing the the premise of a home occupation dwelling as it applies to this application. And you good with that, EJ? >> I'm good. Yep. >> Okay. All right. Can I get a second? Second. All those in favor? >> All right. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> All right. Next item of business is the town plan of report. >> Uh just a couple updates. Um, and thanks for the flexibility on the home occupation. I was worried about the cluster development and we uh got a little sidetracked on this one. Um, >> I I haven't seen that myself. So, no worries. >> Yeah. And now that we're thinking about it, we'll we'll make it work. I think I think there's a way to make it work, but we'll we'll dig into the weeds to be uh certain. Um, as we talked last meeting, I handed out some info on some of the new LD uh the state laws coming down, particularly around uh housing density and some things. Um, we spoke I have a bi-weekly uh chat with um Isabelle who is helping us rewrite some of our who who will help us rewrite some of our ordinances. Uh the state has actually extended our deadline. Uh we were supposed to as a town council have to comply and have changes made by July 1st of 2026. Uh but the state um in emergency or last minute legislation passed an extension. So we have until July 1st 2027 to make some changes. Um that being said, what has been passed and adopted as state law, uh we are required to be very uh cognizant of that. Uh so if it's an existing state law, uh potential developers can come and challenge us a little bit and uh say based on state law, this is allowed. And so there's some some gray area and some adjustment periods that uh we need to work through, but uh what we can do is start listing obviously the this laws that are in place that we that are currently in conflict with our ordinances that we just need to be aware of as projects are coming through. So we'll do that. Um and Mattie handed out um one of the things we're working to obviously the implementation of the comp plan and the addition of of housing um housing housing units in the community. Um you may have seen some info um or some news stories about Bangor passing some pre-approved housing plans. So this is just an example of what they have pre-approved um through their planning board as as options for various housing types. Um >> so preapproved like I come in I'm building for unit type one and I'm building 10 of them and if I meet the density requirements I don't even have to go through >> a subdivision review or >> well it up until four four units four units with the new law is not required to go to planning board. Anything over four would come back to the planning board. Um so what we would ideally what we would do is identify areas um based on existing lots or existing zones, existing growth areas that would accommodate if we go down that road. um certain types of housing to speed up the process and almost in a way kind of attract attract developers to say, "Hey, we've already >> we've talked looked at setbacks, looked at density. Um here's a here's a list. You choose the four, three, or two unit. Um here's what you can do in various places throughout the community and and sort of get ahead of some of that instead of sort of going case by case." Um and these are are projects that obviously would um be permitted easily through the code office. uh we'd work to through our comprehensive plan obviously we need to add the number of units we can identify areas and I think part of the pre-ex pre-approved plans is it provides the existing neighbors and the community to see here's what a a home a threeunit that looks exactly like this would look like next door and we could have some of those conversations to uh make sure that it's fitting within the the neighborhood that it doesn't sort of change the character u because I think sometimes when you start talking three units, four units, people sometimes can automatically think that it's going to change the entire character. Uh but some of these designs you as you drive by or as you're looking on your front out your front porch, it looks like a single family home, just more people living there. and we can think through and work through the parking requirements. Making sure that the new state requirements and what our existing um zone or ordinances require that in certain places the 4unit it's easy to do. In other places, you could probably be better suited for a three-unit, but just to kind of make it a little easier to streamline the process and encourage folks to come in and say, "Hey, I know it cost exactly this much to build this this structure cuz the the plans are already kind of there and sort of speed it up a little bit." So, we can work that over the next few months as um Isabelle helps us work through changing some of the language of our land use and and doing those types of things. So, I just wanted to give you guys an example and we can share the link to Bangor's page. Bangor spent a lot of money to put those together and >> steal them. >> Yeah, >> I shouldn't say that. >> Do they have uh like full like architectural plans? >> Yeah, it's a full >> um so I gave you guys the the front page, but uh like for example, you guys can I'll hand these down. I didn't want to waste paper. Um each one has the exact plans and spec sheet for each of the different units. So, um, yeah, this kind of speeds up the process. You know exactly what you're you're building, know exactly what you're getting and takes some of the guesswork or the unknown out of what might be next to your neighbors. >> So, Bangor doesn't have the university made in the backyard. I could see one of these developments, a four unit having eight students in it with eight cars. Is that going to be an issue with some neighborhoods and parking? >> That's what we want to think through. >> I mean, Bangor doesn't have to worry about that, but Oral does. >> Yeah. >> I mean, the approach is to try to commoditize housing, and that makes a ton of sense. Uh, this makes a ton of sense. It's amazing we haven't didn't do it 50 years ago. I if we have time to talk referring back to what Christa was saying about the buffer zones and I agree with her. Uh but in my mindset the one we just approved if it's rental property instead of private ownership I would think anyone that's going to rent from them would be demanding something different. It be different if it was up for private ownership. We would expect differently in my mind anyway. Maybe I'm just overthinking it. Is it because it's all going to be rent? Because the other concern I would have had is if it was going to be private property as an HOA, if any of those pumps went bad, that's a very expensive repair for an HOA to take over. But as long as it stays rental property, then they they have to deal with >> Yeah, it's going to stay rental. And I believe in I believe in their plans, we required uh a maintenance a plan for that system to so that we know that the owner of the property um will keep that maintained and I believe there's an inspection cycle that um obviously we would work with uh our code folks to to collaborate with them to make sure that it's sort of maintained and isn't failing so that it doesn't be put on a a homeowner. So they'll be responsible for and they I think that's included in the the plans they need to show that when they come for a building permit or before they get their certificate of occupancy that we see that plan. >> Anything else EJ? >> We're good on our end. >> Great. Thanks. Uh next item on the agenda is adjournment. We need a motion we all those in favor. Thank you. >> Yeah.