>>COUN. LEWIS: THE 13th MEETING OF THE 26th COUNCIL WILL COME TO ORDER. ALL COUNCILORS ARE PRESENT. WE'LL HAVE THE MOMENT OF SILENCE FOLLOWED BY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >>COUN. LEWIS: ALL RIGHT. >>COUN. GROUT: CIVIC PLAZA PARKING PASSES FOR PROVIDED FOR THE MEMBERS OFT PUBLIC. YOU CAN OBTAIN ONE NEAR THE CHAMBER'S ENTRANCE. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HAVE THE ABILITY TO VIEW THIS MEETING IN PERSON AND LIVE STREAM THROUGH FOUR DIFFERENT PLATFORMS. GOVTV ON COMCAST CHANNEL 15, THE GOVTV WEBSITE, YOU TO BE, AND ZOOM. THE LIVE STREAMS CAN BE ACCESSED FROM SMART TONES, TABLETS, OR COMPUTERS. THIS MEETING IS CLOSED CAPTIONED AND YOU MAY ENABLE THE SERVICES ON YOUR TELEVISION OR DEVICE AT THIS TIME. THE VIDEO RECORDING OF THIS AND ALL PAST MEETINGS WILL REMAIN AVAILABLE FOR VIEWING AT ANY TIME ON THE CITY COUNCIL WEBSITE. STAFF IS AVAILABLE VIA TELEPHONE IF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC NEED ASSISTANCE FINDING VIDEOS ONLINE. CALL 505-768-3100 FOR ASSISTANCE DURING BUSINESS HOURS MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY 8 A.M. TO 5 P.M. THE COUNCIL WILL TAKE A BREAK AT 7 P.M. WITH REGARD TO DECORUM WE WANT TONIGHT'S PROCEEDING TO BE AS CIVIL AND RESPECTFUL AS POSSIBLE. DO NOT MAKE ANY PERSONAL ATTACKS OR APPLAUSE OR OUTBURSTS DURING THE MEETING. THE MEETING WILL SMOOTHER IF WE'RE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER. >>COUN. LEWIS: WE'RE ON PROCLAMATION AND PRESENTATION. THERE ARE NONE. NOW ADMIN Q&A. QUESTION FOR THE ADMINISTRATION. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: I HAVE QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS. I'LL START WITH APD. IF SOMEONE IS HERE FROM APD. THANK YOU FOR COMING DOWN, SIR. SO, WHILE WE WERE ON BREAK, IT BECAME PUBLIC THAT THERE WAS SOME PRETTY HORRIFIC COMMENTS MADE BY APD OFFICERS AFTER A SHOOTING THAT LEFT ONE DEAD. AND I SPOKE TO THE CHIEF ABOUT IT. I GOT THE CLEAR UNDERSTANDING FROM THE CHIEF THAT APD DID NOT SUPPORT THOSE COMMENTS AND THEY WOULD BE UNDERTAKING THAT. IS THAT STILL THE CASE >> YES, MA'AM. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: ON SUNDAY, THERE'S AN ARTICLE IN THE PAPER. THE ALBUQUERQUE POLICE OFFICER ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT MADE SOME PRETTY INTERESTING COMMENTS THAT SEEM TO GO AGAINST WHAT I GOT DIRECTLY FROM THE CHIEF. I JUST WANTED TO HEAR FROM APD -- ONE OF THE QUOTES WAS THEY WERE SAYING INAPPROPRIATE STUFF LIKE A LOT OF US DO WITH OUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY WHEN WE'RE NOT IN PUBLIC. THEY'RE NO DIFFERENT THAN ANYBODY ELSE. IS THAT THE POSITION OF APD? >> IT'S NOT. AND JUST FIRST AND FOREMOST, ON BEHALF OF ALBUQUERQUE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND MYSELF, AND THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE, I ISSUE AN APOLOGY TO ALL OF OUR PARTNERS. WE WORK REALLY HARD TO ESTABLISH GOOD RAPPORT. I THINK THOSE COMMENTS THAT YOU SEE ARE -- THEY'RE NOT ACCEPTABLE BY ANY CHANCE. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS YOU SEE IN THERE IS SOME OF THE DISCOURAGING REMARKS OF OTHER UNITS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE UNITS THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, THEY'RE OUR YOUNGER SQUAD OFFICERS AND CADETS. IF YOU LOOK, THOSE ARE OFFICERS THAT ARE -- YOU SEE THAT REFLECTION IN THE CULTURE CHANGE. AND THE BROADER UNDERSTANDING OF THOSE POLICE OFFICERS. AS FAR AS THE INVESTIGATION IS ONGOING, IT'S STILL ONGOING. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: BECAUSE IT WENT ON FOR MANY HOURS AND WE'RE NOT SURE WHO SAID WHAT. IS THAT WHAT THE INVESTIGATION IS? >> THAT'S TRUE. THERE'S INTERNAL AFFAIRS INVESTIGATION, NO MATTER HOW BIG OR HOW SMALL IT IS. THERE'S A SET NUMBER OF DAYS TO GET THE INVESTIGATION COMPLETED. THIS SNALITY -- ISN'T THE ONLY THING THEY'RE LOOKING AT. WHEN THAT INVESTIGATION COMES OUT. THEY HAVE 120 DAYS PER INVESTIGATION. I'M NOT SURE WHETHER THEY FINISHED THAT INVESTIGATION. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: I WANT TO SAY ON THE RECORD THAT I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS FROM THE CHIEF ABOUT THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE. I REALLY, REALLY AS A CITIZEN OF ALBUQUERQUE FIND THE CONVERSATION THAT WAS ALL WITH THE MEDIA PRINTED ON SUNDAY ABHORRENT. I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR THAT THE COMMENTS FROM MR. WILLOUBHY SAYING THEY DO IT LIKE EVERYONE DOES WITH FRIENDS AND FAMILY. THAT'S NOT WHAT I DO, THAT'S WHAT WHAT THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE DOES. THAT'S NOT HOW WE TREAT FOLKS IN THE FIELD THAT CALLED FOR HELP. IF WE THINK OF THEM AS LESSER THAN OR SAVAGES OR ANY OF THE OTHER HORRIBLE THINGS THAT WERE SAID. I APPRECIATE THE CHIEF SPEAKING WITH ME AND REACHING OUT TO GOVERNMENTS AROUND AND TRYING TO PATCH THIS UP. AGAIN, THE IDEA THAT IS JUST HOW PEOPLE IN ALBUQUERQUE BEHAVE, IS NOT TRUE. I THINK THAT HE SHOULD KNOW THAT BEFORE HE SAYS THINGS LIKE THAT IN PUBLIC AGAIN. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. MR. PRESIDENT, I HAVE A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS FOR OTHER DEPARTMENTS. THE FIRST ONE IS FOR THE ADMINISTRATION. I THINK ASKING ABOUT THIS FOR SOME TIME NOW. WE HAVE THE CIVILIAN POLICE OVERSIGHT AGENCY AND THEY'RE IN A SPACE THAT IS TOO SMALL FOR THEM. WE'VE BEEN TRYING UNSUCCESSFULLY TO FIND THEM A SPACE. WE'RE STILL UNDER MONITORING OF THE CASA, AND WE WERE TO PROVIDE THE CPOA WITH EVERYTHING NEEDED. WHAT IS GOING ON WITH FINDING THEM A SPACE THAT WILL HOLD ALL OF THEIR EMPLOYEES AND ALLOW THEM TO DO THEIR JOB CORRECTLY? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, THE CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH GSE. THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE DIRECTOR TO UNDERSTAND BOTH THE SPECIFICS ABOUT THE TYPES OF SPACES THEY NEED AS WELL AS GIVE THEM THE OPTION TO CONSIDER A COUPLE SPACES THAT WE HAVE FOUND AND IDENTIFIED. WE HAVE NOT FINALIZED THAT. WE DO HAVE A MEMO TO -- THAT WE PLAN TO SEND OVER TO THE SERVICES DIRECTOR THAT OUTLINES ALL OF THE LOCATIONS WE CONSIDERED. WE THOUGHT WE HAD A SOLUTION, AND WE LEARNED IN THE CPOA ORDINANCE IT WAS STRIPPED FROM THE USE OF CITY HALL. OBVIOUSLY THAT CHANGES A BIT OF AVAILABLE SPACES. WE HAVE A MEMO PREPARED READY TO GO TO MR. PADILLA. I NEED TO DISCUSS THROUGH WITH HIM THOSE ITEMS. WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE SOME OPTIONS FOR THEM TO CONSIDER THAT ARE VERY REASONABLE AND THERE ARE SOME IMPLICATIONS WE WANT TO TALK THROUGH RELATED TO POTENTIAL SPACES THAT WE IDENTIFIED AND WANT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT HE HAS A CHANCE TO TALK WITH BOTH THE CPOA DIRECTOR AND OTHERS THAT IT WOULD IMPACT. I FEEL LIKE WE'RE IN JUST A FEW WEEKS OF BEING REALLY CLEAR ABOUT THE SOLUTION. I SAY A FEW WEEKS BECAUSE I WANT TO GIVE CONSIDERATION TO THE PROCESS. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: NOT A FEW WEEKS TO GET THE MEMO? >> NO, THE MEMO IS READY. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: WHEN CAN WE EXPECT THAT? OKAY, SO THE MEMO IS COMING AND WITHIN TWO WEEKS WE'LL HAVE AN IDEA OR A PLAN TO HAVE THEM LOCATED SOMEWHERE WHERE THEIR STAFF HAS ENOUGH SPACE TO DO THEIR JOB? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN YES. WE BELIEVE WE HAVE A GREAT OPTION. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. A COUPLE OF OTHER QUESTIONS FOR HHH AND THE ADMIN. THE FIRST ONE IS AROUND THE OUTDOOR SPACE THAT THIS COUNCIL APPROVED LEGISLATION TO REQUIRE AT THE WEST SIDE EMERGENCY HOUSING CENTER. I THINK IT WAS A CLEAR PIECE OF LEGISLATION. I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S BEEN DONE. AND I'VE ASKED FOR THE PLAN, INCLUDING THE TIMELINE AND WHAT IT'S GOING TO INCLUDE. I HAVE NOT RECEIVED THAT. I AM HAVING TO WASTE ALL OF OUR TIME UP HERE ASKING QUESTIONS BECAUSE I CAN'T GET ANY ANSWERS OTHERWISE. CAN SOMEONE PROVIDE US WITH THAT UPDATE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THAT PIECE OF LEGISLATION THAT THIS BODY I BELIEVE PASSED UNANIMOUSLY? >> YES, HAPPY TO ADDRESS THAT. THANK YOU. WITH REGARD TO OUTDOOR AREA I WILL SAY AS OF JULY WE DID FIVE SHADE STRUCTURES. WE ALLOCATED $75,000 TO THE ARCHITECT FOR THE RENDERING WE HAVE TO PRIORITIZE THE RELIEF STATION AREAS AND LOOKING AT ADDITIONAL STORAGE FOR THE FACILITY AND HOW WE CAN MANAGE THAT. I'M HAPPY TO SUMMARIZE THIS AS TO WHAT'S BEEN DONE AND WHAT THAT SITE PLAN LOOKS LIKE AND I CAN GIVE YOU A BETTER TIMELINE. APOLOGIES THAT YOU HAD TO BRING THAT IN HERE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: I WOULD VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE PLAN AND THE PRICING FOR THE PLAN AND ANYTHING THAT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN DONE WOULD BE INCREDIBLY HELPFUL. THANK YOU. AND THE NEXT QUESTION IS AROUND THE REVIEW FUNDING FOR HOUSING ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS THAT WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT HHH HAS TOLD FOLKS, AND I BELIEVE THERE'S SOME HERE IN THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT TO COME TO COUNCIL TO TELL US ALL ABOUT THIS PROBLEM. JUST WANT TO CLARIFY FOR THE FOLKS LISTENING THAT REDUCTION IN HOUSING VOUCHER MONEY WAS IN THE BUDGET THAT WAS SENT DOWN TO US BY THE ADMINISTRATION. I ASKED ABOUT IT -- I THINK I LOST COUNT. AT LEAST FIVE OR SIX TIMES. I DID ATTEMPT TO GET THAT MONEY BACK IN AND WE WERE TOLD OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT IT WASN'T NEEDED. I JUST WANT THIS ON THE RECORD SO THAT FOLKS THAT ARE HERE AND WATCHING AT HOME, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT THIS, CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH WHAT HAPPENED, WHEN, AND WHY? >> ABSOLUTELY. MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, APPRECIATE THAT QUESTION. WHEN WE SENT THE CONTRACT THERE WAS AN $12 MILLION ALLOCATION. WHEN WE RECEIVED THE FINAL IT WAS REDUCED TO THE $8 MILLION. IT WAS A FOUR MILLION DOLLAR BEGAN IN THE AREA. AS WE SOLIDIFIED THE CONTRACT THERE WAS REDUCTIONS THAT HAD TO BE MADE. IT WAS AN ADJUSTMENT OF SENT DOWN. AND THE MONEY REVERTED. IT WAS AROUND THE 4 MILLION-DOLLAR MARK. IN WORKING WITH OUR PARTNER AND COMMUNICAING WHEN IT HAPPENED -- OF COURSE HOUSING VOUCHERS DON'T RUN ON FISCAL YEARS. OUR COMMUNICATION OUR PARTNERS WERE CLEAR. OUR PRIORITY WAS TO MAKE SURE THE CONTRACTS WENT OUT AND NO ONE WAS DISPLACED. WE WERE LOOKING AT EVERYONE'S BUDGET TO LOOK AT WHAT [ INAUDIBLE ] -- A COUPLE MEMOS WENT OUT TO EACH OF THEM DURING THIS TIME AND OUR COMMUNICATION STARTED RIGHT AFTER BUDGET. THIS BUDGET WAS GOING ON AND MORE RECENTLY WE BROUGHT OUR PARTNERS TOGETHER TO COMMUNICATE WHAT OUR PLAN WAS MOVING FORWARD. NOT EVERY AGENCY REVERTED ALL OF THEIR MONEY [ INAUDIBLE ] -- OTHER ENTITIES HAD LARGER AMOUNTS. WITH THE REDUCTION IN OUR COMMUNICATION WITH THEM, WE WERE ABLE TO DO A SUPPLEMENTAL CONTRACT TO EXTEND THE AMOUNT OF TIME OF THE FUNDS THAT GOT REVERTED TO HAVE THAT AVAILABLE FOR THEIR CONTRACTS. ADDITIONALLY, WE MADE IT CLEAR WE WOULD AFARD THE FY25 AMOUNT AT THE REDUCED RATE ON TOP OF THAT TO MAKE THE PROGRAMS AS WHOLE AS WE COULD. UNDERSTANDING THE -- DESPITE THE FACT -- [ INAUDIBLE ] -- WE HEARD IT VERY WELL AND CLEAR THAT STAFFING AND PLANNING AND APPROPRIATIONS ALL FALL INTO THAT AND MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR OUR AGENCY. AS OF FRIDAY OF LAST WEEK, AFTER THE MEETING WE HAD WITH THEM ON THE 26th WE HEARD AGENCIES THAT SPENT THEIR MONEY DOWN SAYING WHAT ABOUT THOSE THAT SPENT IT DOWN AND WE ARE JUST GETTING THE FY25. WE ADDED THE ADDITIONAL DOLLARS TO EXTEND THEM TO THE AMOUNT IN THE ORIGINAL PROPOSED CONTRACT UP TO THE $12 MILLION WE IDENTIFIED. WE'RE IN THE PROCESS CURRENTLY. I DEFINITELY MADE SURE OUR TEAM HAD URGENCY AROUND MAKING SURE THOSE CONTRACTS WERE EXECUTED AND THE AVAILABLE FUNDS WERE MADE TO THEM. THE FY25 FUNDS WENT OUT AND THE FUNDS ARE MOVED OUT ACCORDINGLY. THE REST OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAD HIGH REVERSION RATES WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM INDIVIDUALLY. THEY'RE CONTACTED INDEPENDENTLY OR THROUGH OUR GROUP CONVERSATION WE HAD WITH THEM TO BE CLEAR WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SPEND DOWNS MONTHLY AND ACCORDINGLY SO AS THEY NEED WE CAN EXPEND THE ORIGINAL AMOUNT. WE HAVE EXPLAINED THAT TO THEM AND I APPROVED A MEMO ON FRIDAY. OUR COMMITMENT TO BE ABLE TO FOSTER THOSE AMOUNTS AND INDIVIDUALIZED FOR EVERY ORGANIZATION THAT HAD A CONTRACT. REVIEWING THAT AND LOOKING AT THE SPENT DOWN AND MAKING SURE THEY HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU. JUST SO I UNDERSTAND, THE AMOUNT WAS $12 MILLION, THE ADMINISTRATION CUT IT TO $8 MILLION, WE WERE TOLD OVER AND OVER AGAIN WE DIDN'T NEED ADDITIONAL MONEY NOW YOU FOUND $4 MILLION TO GET IT BACK TO UP $12 MILLION? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, WE LOOKED AT THE REVERTED AMOUNT OF DOLLARS THAT WEREN'T SPENT AND ENCUMBERED THE AMOUNT AND SPEND IT FOR EACH ORGANIZATION AND AWARDING THEM WITH THE CONTRACT WITH A CUT ACCORD TO THE NEXT FY25 BUDGET. THE PROCESS WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS DIFFICULT. WHAT WAS ACTUALLY SPENT VERSUS WHAT WAS AWARDED. ALSO UNDERSTANDING THAT IMPACTED LIKE I SAID EARLIER, STAFF PLANNING AND THE AMOUNT OF VOUCHERS THAT CAN GO OUT AND BE USED. THIS IS A PRACTICE WE'RE TRYING TO DO ACROSS THE BOARD AND UNDERSTANDING A LOT OF MONEY GOES REVERTED. WHAT WE SAW WAS A $4 MILLION THAT WAS REVERTED AND UNSPENT. WE'RE WORKING TO BE ABLE TO SAY ACCESS TO THE DOLLARS IS THERE AS YOU SPENT DOWN AND WE'RE WORKING WITH THE INDIVIDUALS MONTHLY TO SEE THE SPEND DOWNS TO MAKE THEM WHOLE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU. I SAID THIS MANY TIMES DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS. WE HAVE A CRISIS IN THE COMMUNITY OF FOLKS WHO ARE UNSHELTERED. WE DON'T NEED TO ADD TO THE NUMBERS BY HAVING PEOPLE BECOME UNHOUSED BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO HOUSING VOUCHERS. IT IS STILL, IN MY OPINION, VERY SHAMEFUL THAT THE BUDGET CAME DOWN THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATION WITH THE REDUCTION AND DESPITE ALL OF MY EFFORTS IT REMAINED THAT WAY AND NOW WE'RE HAVING TO PIECEMEAL TOGETHER A WAY TO HAVE HOUSING VOUCHERS AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY. I THINK IT'S REALLY UNFORTUNATE. I CAN MOVE TO MY LAST SET OF QUESTIONS. >>COUN. LEWIS: I THINK WE HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS RELATED TO THIS. SIR, THE -- YOU MENTIONED THE REVERSION. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THE ADMINISTRATION HAD REVERSIONS FROM LAST YEAR, MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT WEREN'T SPENT FROM LAST YEAR. YOU'RE LOOKING AT REVERSIONS FROM THIS YEAR THAT MAY GO UNSPENT AND THAT'S HOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MAKING UP FOR THAT FUNDING THAT WAS REDUCED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR? IS THAT CORRECT? >> MR. PRESIDENT, IF I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THE APPROPRIATING AMOUNT OF THE ACTUALS SPENT IN FY24 AND ISSUED CONTRACTS ACCORDINGLY FOR THIS YEAR FY25. THE REVERLGZS WERE THE AMOUNT WE GAVE TO THOSE AGES THAT SPENT THE MONEY DOWN AND ADDING THAT AND WE ADDED A SUPPLEMENTAL TO THE CONTRACTS BUT STILL UTILIZED THE FUNDING. WE'RE DOING AN ANALYSIS OF WHAT MONEY WASN'T SPENT AND REVERTED AND ALSO SAYING WHAT ARE YOUR ACTUAL SPEND DOWN. OF COURSE UNDERSTANDING MAINTAINING FOLKS IN HOUSING AND NOT DISPLACING FOLKS WAS A PRIORITY. AND LOOKING AT ADDING THE ADDITIONAL DOLLARS TO THE CONTRACTED AMOUNT TO EXPAND OR ADD INDIVIDUALS INTO THE HOUSING. >>COUN. LEWIS: THAT'S FINE. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. LOOKING AT REVERSIONS FROM LAST YEAR. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS COMMUNICATED FROM YOU OR THE DEPARTMENT. IT WAS COMMUNICATED THAT THE COUNCIL DIDN'T GIVE ENOUGH MONEY. I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS GIVEN EVERY BIT OF MONEY THAT YOU ASKED FOR. EVERYTHING. MILLIONS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO FUND HOUSING IN THE CITY. LAST YEAR THE DEPARTMENT REVERTED MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT IT DIDN'T SPEND FROM LAST YEAR AND THIS YEAR THE ADMINISTRATION REQUESTED LESS MONEY THAN APPARENTLY IT NEEDED. AGAIN, MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT'S WHERE THIS ALL STARTED. IT STARTS FROM THE ADMINISTRATION. IT STARTS FROM YOU ALL REQUESTING AND SAYING THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO ACCOMPLISH THIS YEAR, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SPEND AND THIS IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO RESULT IN. THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. SO, WHEN THAT QUESTION IS ASKED, I WOULD HOPE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE EXPLAINING. THE ADMINISTRATION DID NOT REQUEST WHAT IS NEEDED FOR HOUSING THIS YEAR. AND REVERTED UNSPENT MONEY FROM LAST YEAR THAT WASN'T SPENT, EVEN THOUGH THEY SAID THEY NEEDED IT. I WOULD HOPE THAT IS WHAT IS BEING COMMUNICATED. NOW WE CAN FIX IT FROM THERE. IF WE START FROM THERE WE CAN FIX IT. WE CAN ADJUST THE BUDGET AND MAKE DECISIONS AND MAKE SURE YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED. I THINK THERE'S OTHER QUESTIONS RELATED TO THIS. WE'LL GO TO COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, DIRECTOR, THIS IS A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT JUST CAME TO US. I'M GLAD THE QUESTION WAS ASKED BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN HEARING FROM PEOPLE ABOUT SIMILAR TOPICS. YOU MENTIONED REVERTED FUNDING, INREVERTED MONEYS WERE ENCUMBERED. WHEN DID THAT HAPPEN? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN, THE FUNDING WAS -- THE CONTRACTS ON THE SUPPLEMENTAL TIME OF PERFORMANCE WHEN WE BEGAN JULY 1, I WOULD SAY, JUNE IS WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT THE BUDGET TO THE ENCUMBERED DOLLARS AND ISSUED THE CONTRACT FOR SUPPLEMENTAL. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I THINK THEY MIGHT WANT TO ADD SOMETHING. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN, AS WE STARTED TOWARD THE END OF THE YEAR, WE LOOKED ADD POTENTIAL REVERSIONS, EVERY MONTH, EVERY QUARTER, WE'RE LOOKING AT WHERE WE SPENT, HOW MUCH WE SPENT WHERE WE ARE ACROSS THE CITY. IN THIS CASE, WE STARTED LOOKING AT WHAT MONEY WAS UNSPENT IN THE HHH BUDGET, WHAT WAS AVAILABLE. AND IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR US TO EXTEND OR ALLOW THOSE MONIES TO BE ENCUMBERED AND CARRIED INTO THE NEW FISCAL YEAR. WHAT OUR DIRECTOR IS TALKING ABOUT, WE'VE ENTERED INTO NEW CONTRACT FOR THE YEAR. WE'VE ALLOWED OLDER CONTRACTS, WE'VE DONE SUPPLEMENTAL FOR THE OLDER CONTRACTS TO MOVE MONEY AROUND TO MAKE SURE THE CONTRACTORS THAT CAN SPEND DOWN AND CAN ACTUALLY HELP US WITH OUR EFFORTS IN THE COMMUNITY, NOT EVERY CONTRACTOR HAS THE CAPACITY TO SPEND EVERY DOLLAR THEY HAVE. WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SHIFT THAT TO OTHER CONTRACTORS TO GET THE MONEY INTO THE COMMUNITY WHERE WE NEED IT. BASICALLY, AGAIN, AS WE ENTER THE YEAR-END PROCESS, WE'RE LOOKING AT UNSPENT MONEY AND WHAT WE CAN CARRY FORWARD AND WHAT WE CAN ENCUMBER IN CONTRACT. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I GUESS MOVING FORWARD WITH THE BUDGET IT'S JUST -- I DO FIND IT -- MAYBE I'M MISUNDERSTANDING IT, BUT I FIND IT INTERESTING THAT AS SOON AS JUNE 30th HITS WE'RE TOLD ANY UNSPENT FUNDING GOES TO THE GENERAL FUND. AND JULY 1st IS NOW THE APPROPRIATED BUDGET PASSED BY THIS COUNCIL AND APPROVED BY THE MAYOR AFTER THE FACT. THE FACT THAT WE'RE HEARING THAT IN JUNE THE ADMINISTRATION IS LOOKING FOR UNSPENT FUNDING AND ENCUMBERING IT BEFORE USING IT TOWARD THINGS THE COUNCIL PASSED IS CONFUSING AND ALARMING. I HOPE THAT IS NOT ONE THING BEING SAID ON ONE SIDE AND DONE ON ANOTHER WHEN I'M REALLY HOPING I'M MISUNDERSTANDING. IT SOUNDS LIKE IF YOU'RE ENCUMBERING STUFF IN JUNE, IT SHOULDN'T BE ENCUMBERED WHEN WE'RE TOLD IT ALL GOES TO THE GENERAL FUND. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN, IT'S NOT UNCOMMON AT ALL TO HAVE ENCUMBRANCES INTO A NEW FISCAL YEAR. WE'RE -- THE CONTRACT IS FOR $8 MILLION AND THEY SPENT SIX, WE MIGHT ENCUMBER THE MONEY TO GET THAT SPENT. OUR BUDGET IS BASED ON ESTIMATES OF WHAT IS UNSPENT. YOU ALL SEE THE FUND BALANCE TABLES. THOSE ARE ALL BASED ON REVENUE PROJECTIONS. THEY'RE BASED ON REVERSIONS, MONEY THAT IS UNSPENT. ALL OF THAT IS, YOU KNOW, PUT INTO THE CALCULATIONS. WE'RE MAKING ASSUMPTIONS AND CALCULATIONS ABOUT WHAT ISN'T SPENT, AND THEN, AGAIN, IF THERE'S MONEY THAT IS ENCUMBERABLE, OR SPENDABLE ON A CONTRACT, WE WILL ALLOW THAT TO BE SPENT ON THAT CONTRACT, IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I'M HAPPY TO TALK MORE ABOUT THIS TOO OFFLINE. SO THAT I UNDERSTAND IT MORE. I CAN SEE THE NEED FOR FLEXIBILITY, BUT ALSO THE NEED THAT IF THE COUNCIL PASSES SOMETHING IT'S WITH OUR KNOWLEDGE AND THAT'S WHAT WE AGREED TO. >>COUN. LEWIS: OTHER DISCUSSION RELATED, COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. IN TALKING WITH SOME OF THE PROVIDERS AFFECTED, MY FIRST QUESTION IS WHO MADE THE DECISION TO CUT THEM ALL ACROSS THE BOARD BY 40%? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE BUDGET, WE GOT TO FINALIZE THE FINAL CONTRACT LIST AND ISSUE THAT OUT. DECISION HAD TO BE MADE BASED ON AT THE TIME WHAT THE SPEND DOWN PROJECTIONS WERE, AND IN ORDER TO AVOID THERE'S PROBABLY 12 CONTRACTS UNDER THE LIST OF INDIVIDUALS. THERE WASN'T ENOUGH TIME TO BE ABLE TO SAY WHAT PERJURIES COULD FIT. IT WAS ACROSS THE BOARD TO UNDERSTAND THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND SEE WHO HAS LARGER VERSIONS AND WHO UTILIZED FURTHER FUNDING TO EXTEND THAT FUNDING AND HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. OUR DEPARTMENT HAD TO LOOK AT THE CONTRACTS AND MAKE THAT HARD DECISIONS IN REGARDS TO WHETHER IT'S EQUAL ACROSS THE BOARD OR GO THROUGH DIFFICULT FORMULATED AND GO ONE BY ONE. >>COUN. ROGERS: YOU AS THE DIRECTOR MADE THAT DECISION ALONE? >> WITH OUR TEAM. >>COUN. ROGERS: DOES THAT INCLUDE THE ADMINISTRATION? >> NO. >>COUN. ROGERS: IT DID NOT? >> I REPORTED IT UP ONCE WE MADE THE DECISION AND SUBMITTED A CONTRACT LIST. YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: THE CONTRACT -- WHAT I HEARD OVER AND OVER CNN -- BLRJ WE RARELY HAVE THEM OUT ON JULY 1st. SOMETIMES PEOPLE WAIT TO DECEMBER OR JANUARY OF THE NEXT YEAR WHICH ONLY GIVES THEM SIX MONTHS TO SPEND IT DOWN. IT'S NOT THAT THE CONTRACTORS HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO SPEND IT DOWN, IT'S THE TIME WE GIVE THEM TO HAVE ALL THE CONTRACTS FOR THE VOUCHERS FOR THIS NEW FISCAL YEAR EXECUTED? >> COUNCILOR ROGERS, ALL OF THE SUPPLEMENTS HAVE BEEN EXECUTED AND GONE THROUGH IMMEDIATELY. THEY WERE PRIORITIZED AND SENT OUT IN JULY. I BELIEVE THE FY25 CONTRACTS ARE SENT OUT THE DOOR AND THE SUPPLEMENTAL ALLOW ADDITIONAL DOLLARS FOR THOSE WHO HAD NO REVERSION WE BEGAN LAST WEEK TO GET THEM OUT OF THE DOOR. ONE OF THE ISSUES IS THE DIRECTOR IN JANUARY UNDERSTOOD THAT OUR OFFICE NEEDED TO BE ON POINT WITH THE JULY 1 DATE. WE PUT A LOT OF MEASURES TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS THE EFFICIENCY. 90% OF RECURRING CONTRACTS WITH THE DCLM DIGITAL CONTRACTING PROCESS THAT WAS NEW TO OUR ORGANIZATION AND THE CITY AND EMBRACING THAT AND PREPARING FOR IT. IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE PUT A STRATEGIC PLAN TO GET THAT OUT D DOWN DOLLARS. AND I'M HEARING OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT THEY STILL DON'T HAVE CONTRACTS. THE OTHER, MR. PRESIDENT, I WANT TO CLARIFY FOR THE PUBLIC EXACTLY HOW MUCH MONEY HAS BEEN REVERTED TO THE GENERAL FUND. MR. MOSCO, I THINK WE HAVE FY24 EXACTLY HOW MUCH WAS REVERTED. FY23 -- AGAIN PUBLIC, THIS IS MONEY THAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED AND APPROPRIATED THAT WAS NOT SPENT. REGARDLESS OF IF IT'S THE PROVIDER OR WE DIDN'T GET THE CONTRACT OUT. THIS IS MONEY FOR HOUSING. MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR MONEY IN HOUSING THAT IN MY DISTRICT PEOPLE ABSOLUTELY NEED AND WE'RE REVERTING BACK. CAN YOU TELL ME FY23 HOW MUCH WE REVERTED BACK? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, IN FY23 THE APPROVED BUDGET FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITH FAMILY AND COMMUNITY SERVICES WAS $15.3 MILLION. THE ACTUALS WERE $6.# -- $6.9 MILLION. $8.3 MILLION WAS REVERTED. >>COUN. ROGERS: $8.3 MILLION FOR HOUSING WAS REVERTED BACK. NOT SPENT ON OUR DESPERATE FOLKS THAT NEED HOUSING. FY24 PLEASE. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, IN FY24, THE PROPOSED HOUSING VOUCHERS WERE $14 MILLION. THE TOTAL APPROVED AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUDGET FOR FAMILY AND COMMUNITY SERVICES WAS $17 MILLION. ACTUALS WERE ABOUT $10.8 MILLION. AGAIN, REVERTED $6.1 MILLION IN FY24. >>COUN. ROGERS: $6.1 MILLION. THAT IS OUR FAULT. THAT IS US NOT MANAGING OUR CONTRACTS WELL TO MAKE SURE IF IT'S PROVIDERS NOT GETTING IT OUT THAT WE'RE MANAGING THOSE CONTRACTS WELL. THAT IS NOT OKAY. IN MY OPINION. ESPECIALLY WITH MY DISTRICT AND WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH HOMELESSNESS NOW. TO HEAR THAT WE HAVE THIS MUCH MONEY TO HELP OUR COMMUNITY AND WE DIDN'T DO THE WORK. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. DIRECTOR, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. IS THERE A POSITION IN HHH THAT ENSURES CONTRACT COMPLIANCE WITH OUR SOCIAL SERVICE CONTRACTORS? >> YES, THE CITY ACTUALLY HAS VARIOUS POSITIONS CREATED. YOU HAVE CONTRACTS, COORDINATORS, COMMUNITY OUTREACH COORDINATORS. ALL THREE ARE UTILIZED IN THE DEPARTMENT AND EMPLOYED TO BE ABLE TO DO CONTRACT OVERSIGHT. >>COUN. GROUT: OKAY. ARE THOSE POSITIONS ALL FILLED RIGHT NOW? >> IN MY DEPARTMENT, COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, IN MY DEPARTMENT I BELIEVE I HAVE FIVE VACANCIES POSTED. THAT WAS A RESULT OF EITHER RETIREMENT OR MOVED TO OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY. >>COUN. GROUT: OKAY. THANK YOU. WHAT ARE THE QUALIFICATIONS FOR THESE POSITIONS? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, AT MINIMUM A BACHELOR'S DEGREE IS REQUIRED AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT THREE TO FIVE YEARS EXPERIENCE IN VARIOUS AREAS DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF POSITION POSTED BY THE CITY. ACKNOWLEDGE OR SPECIALTY BACKGROUND IN DEALING WITH FEDERAL GRANT, FEDERAL APPROPRIATION, CONTRACT APPROPRIATIONS, SOMETIMES IT'S RELATED TO LEASES AND TENANT SCOPE OF AREA. >>COUN. GROUT: HOW DO WE MONITOR OUR NON-PROFIT PROVIDERS? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, OUR MONITORING TAKES PLACE IN VARIOUS WAYS. WE DO IT BOTH THROUGH FINANCIAL MONITORING. WE HAVE A REIMBURSEMENT FORM THAT HAS TO BE ADHERED TO THE BUDGET. WE LOOK AT THE DRAW DOWN AND APPROPRIATION OF STAFF AND MAKING SURE THAT IS ALIGNED. SECONDLY, WE DO OVERSIGHT OF SCOPE AND OUTPUT. WE HAVE QUARTERLY MONITORING AND AGENCY PROVIDE OUTCOME MEASURES WE AGREED UPON IN THE CONTRACT. WE LOOK TO SEE HOW MANY FOLKS ARE HOUSED. AND WE DO A YEAR-END MONITORING REPORT WHICH WE NOT ONLY LOOK AT THE PERFORMANCE OF GOALS AND SCOPES WE ALSO LOOK AT ADHERENCE TO THE CITY ADMINISTRATIVE REQUIREMENTS AND PROCUREMENT REQUIREMENTS TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE FOLLOWING THE REGULATIONS AND AUDITS AND ESTABLISHED BOARD. THAT MONITORING IS DETAILED. WE DO THAT ON-SITE. WE GO OUT AND DO THE MONITORING AND GIVE IT BACK TO THEM. WE IDENTIFY DEFICIENCIES IN THAT AREA AND EXTEND TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE TO THEM AND ALSO WORKING WITH THEM TO SOLVE MONITORING FINDINGS WE MAY HAVE. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. DO THEY LOOK AT COMP PLIANCE FOR HUD REQUIREMENTS? >> IF THEY HAVE FUNDING FROM HUD YES. THAT COMPLIANCE IS CRUCIAL BECAUSE IT CAN PUT US IN JEOPARDY FROM RECEIVING FURTHER FUNDING. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. DO YOU EVER FIND PROBLEMS? HOW OFTEN DO YOU FIND PROBLEMS? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, I WOULD SAY DEPENDING ON HOW WE DEFINE PROBLEM, WE'VE HAD EVERYTHING FROM HOLDING AN AGENCY ACCOUNTABLE TO PAYING THE CITY BACK FOR DOUBLE BILLING ALL THE WAY BACK TO AGENCIES HAVING DIFFICULTS WITH FINANCING AND WE EXTENDED CONSULTING FIRMS TO THEM. CPAs ARE SOUGHT AFTER AND POSITIONS NOT EVERY ENTITY CAN HAVE. IT VARIES. WITH REGARD TO SCOPE PERFORMANCE, DISCUSSIONS ARE DIFFERENT. WITH REGARD TO THEY MAY GET A RENEWAL CONTRACT BUT IT MAY BE UNDER MORE REVIEW AND TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH MAKING THAT OR MEETING THOSE GOALS. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. MR. PRESIDENT, WE SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON THESE SERVICES. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW -- YOU KNOW, I WONDER SOMETIMES ARE WE GETTING A RETURN ON OUR INVESTMENT. ARE THE TAXPAYERS GETTING RETURN ON INVESTMENT. BECAUSE WE SEE IT ON A DAILY BASIS. WE SEE WHAT WE SEE ON THE STREET. WE BEGIN TO WONDER. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, DO NON-PROFITS TRACK LONG-TERM OUTCOMES? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, WITHOUT A DOUBT I THINK OUR NON-PROFITS ALL ALIGN TO THEIR MISSION IMPACT AREAS. WHAT WE FUND IS A SPECIFIC PIECE, SOMETIMES WE DON'T FUND THEM 100%, MAYBE IT'S A QUARTER. THEY TRACK IT. IS LONG-TERM TRACKING BUILT INTO OUR METHOD? TYPICALLY IT'S NOT BECAUSE IT'S A ONE TIME CONTRACT, AND THERE'S NO DELEGATED IN THE FUNDING. AT MAX WITHIN OUR DEPARTMENT, YOU CAN HAVE A REOCCURRING CONTRACT APPROPRIATED UP TO THREE YEARS BEFORE IT GOES OUT TO BID AGAIN TO ANOTHER A PROVIDER AND THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT SAME PROVIDER WILL RECEIVE THAT FUNDING WHICH LIMITS THE LONG-TERM OUTCOMES ON OUR END. MANY ENTITIES WE CONTRACT WITH DO THEIR ANNUAL IMPACT REPORT AND SHARE IT WITH THE CITY. THEY SHOW OVERALL IMPACT UNDERSTANDING WE DON'T 100% ALL NON-PROFITS. >>COUN. GROUT: YOU MENTIONED THAT A LOT OF THEM ARE ONE-TIME CONTRACTORS. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT? I HEAR WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH CONTRACTORS AND THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM AND NOBODY WANTS TO BID ON THESE CONTRACTS. >> COUNCILOR GROUT, THE ONE-TIME FUNDING COMES OUT OF THE BUDGET PROCESS IN COLLABORATION WITH BOTH COUNCIL AND THE ADMINISTRATION IN WHICH MONEY IS GUARANTEED ONLY FOR ONE YEAR. THAT BUDGET CYCLE. THOSE LISTS VARY FROM YEAR TO YEAR SOMETIMES THEY'RE LONGER OR SHORTER. WE AT THE DEPARTMENT THAT ADMINISTERS THE CONTRACT AND GETS IT APPROVED AND CREATES SCOPES OF PARTNERSHIPS WITH THEM, IT'S DIFFICULT, BACK TO YOUR ORIGINAL QUESTION, LONG-TERM IMPACT ON ONE-TIME DOLLARS, IT DEPENDS IF THE FUNDING CAN CONTINUE TO BE APPROPRIATED. IT'S NOT A CYCLE WE PUT OUT TO BID THAT GOES UP TO THREE YEARS. >>COUN. GROUT: I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE SEE LONG-TERM OUTCOMES FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING. IT'S KIND OF IMPORTANT TO SEE IF WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WORKING. SOMETIMES IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S NOT. WHEN IT COMES TO HOUSING NAVIGATION, DO NON-PROFITS PROVIDERS CONSIDER COMMUNITY CONDITIONS WHEN THEY'RE PLACING PEOPLE? OR ARE THEY STRICTLY BASED ON COST OR AVAILABILITY? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, MOST OF OUR PARTNERS RELY ON THE HOUSING QUALITY STANDARDS WHICH IS THE BENCHMARK OF PLACING FOR INDIVIDUALS. THEY LOOK AT THE ABILITY TO AFFORD. IF IT'S A UNIT THAT MEETS REQUIREMENTS. BASED ON THAT, A LOT OF AGENCIES TEND TO LOOK TO PLACE INDIVIDUALS WHERE IT'S AVAILABLE. I THINK IT'S A COMBINATION OF EVERYTHING YOU MENTIONED. IT'S LOCATION, AFFORDABILITY FOR THE VOUCHER AND STANDARD OF LIVING. >>COUN. GROUT: I LOOK FORWARD TO THE PRESENTATION IN TWO WEEKS. >>COUN. LEWIS: DIRECTOR, HOW DO YOU MEASURE SUCCESS? IS ONE OF THE WAYS YOU MEASURE THAT BY AN OVERALL REDUCTION IN THE UNHOUSED POPULATION OVER TIME? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, IN REGARD TO HOUSING, LET'S SAY, REDUCTION IN INDIVIDUALS PLACED IS CRUCIAL. WE WANT TO SHOW THAT THE COUNTS SHOW THERE'S NOT AS MANY PEOPLE UNHOUSED OR LIVING IN THE STREETS. THAT IS ONE AREA. LONGEVITY OF AREAS STAYING THERE. WE ASSESS THE ABILITY OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. ONE OF THE DETERMINING FACTORS IS YOUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AVAILABILITY. AND SO, WE ARE ONE OF THE CITIES THAT STRUGGLE. SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE LESSER AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THEY COSTED OUT THEIR ENVIRONMENT. OUR GOAL IS TO PUSH MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO REDUCE THAT IMPACT. I WOULD SAY THERE'S MULTIPLE VARIABLES WE LOOK AT WHEN WE HAVE IMPACTS WITH REDUCING UNHOUSED OR HOMELESS POPULATIONS. IT KNOWS EVERYTHING FROM ACCESS, HAVING UNITS, LIVING WAGE IS ANOTHER THING. >>COUN. LEWIS: I AGREE. I IMAGINE THERE'S A LOT OF WAYS TO MEASURE THAT AND LOOK AT IT. YOU CAN LOOK AT 3,000 UNHOUSED IN OUR CITY IS THE LAST COUNT. INTERESTING TO SEE -- I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE HIGHEST COUNTS ON A GIVEN YEAR. 3,000, IT COSTS ABOUT $1500 A MONTH. $18,000 PER YEAR. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT $54 MILLION. YOU LOOK AT IT FROM A BUDGETING PERSPECTIVE LIKE THAT. AND YOU LOOK AT AN INDIVIDUAL PERSPECTIVE THAT THERE'S MANY PEOPLE -- I KNOW MYSELF AND MY ANALYSTS WORK WITH INDIVIDUALS TO TRY TO GET THEM HOUSED AND HOW DIFFICULT THAT CAN BE AT TIMES. YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE BOTTLENECKING AND HOW WE CHANGE THAT AND DO BETTER AT THAT. ULTIMATELY, I WOULD THINK THAT A BIG FACTOR IS REDUCTION IN TOTAL UNHOUSED POPULATION IS A MEASURE OF SUCCESS IN THE DEPARTMENT AND WHERE THE DOLLARS ARE GOING. YOU CAN SEE WHY THAT'S A LOGICAL QUESTION FOR A COUNCIL THAT GIVES MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND EVERYTHING YOU ASK FOR AND BEYOND THAT. WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT DATA SO WE CAN MEASURE SUCCESS IN THAT REGARD AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH A SOLUTION AND THROUGH THOSE BOTTLENECKS. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO THIS? COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. YOUR LINE OF QUESTION BROUGHT UP SOMETHING ELSE FOR ME. IN REVIEWING ONE OF YOUR CONTRACTS, FOR HOUSING VOUCHERS, THIS IS WHAT IT SAYS FOR REPORTING. PERFORMANCE MONITORING, AND THIS IS THE SAME CANNED WORDS I FIND IN MOST CONTRACTS. THE CONTRACTOR WILL FROM TIME TO TIME PROVIDE ASSISTANCE AND INFORMATION NEEDED BY THE STAFF OF THE CITY OF FAMILY AND COMMUNITY SERVICES TO MONITOR, EVALUATE THE PERFORMANCE OF THE ABOVE MENTIONED SCOPE OF SERVICES. IT IS UNDERSTOOD THAT THE CITY DEPARTMENT STAFF AND DISCUSSION MAY PERFORM PERIODIC FISCAL AND PROGRAM MONITORING REVIEWS ON DATES TO BE ARRANGED. IT'S UNDERSTOOD THAT REVIEWS BY OTHER OFFICIALS MAY BE REQUIRED ON DATES TO BE ARRANGED. THAT'S TOO BROAD IN MY OPINION. THERE'S NO YOU WILL DO THIS AND SHOW US THIS, FOR IMPACT. WE MAY FROM TIME TO TIME CHECK IN ON THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT WE'RE GIVING YOU. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT IT FEELS LIKE. CAN YOU TELL ME WHERE WE ARE WITH THE OPERATIONS OF THE WEST SIDE SHELTER? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, WITH REGARD TO YOUR FIRST COMMENT, I JUST WANT TO REITERATE EVERYTHING IS DONE IN PARTNERSHIPS WITH OUR NON-PROFITS WITH REGARD TO WHERE THEY SIT WITH THEIR AUDIT AND COSTS AND THE TIME. IF -- A LOT OF IT REQUIRES TIME. WE WORK WITH THEM TO SCHEDULE -- I UNDERSTAND SOMETIMES IT'S BROAD FOR A REASON. YOU CAN'T PIN THEM DOWN FOR SOMETHING THEY'RE GOING TO SET THEM UP FOR A FINDING. WE WANT TO WORK WITH THEM IN PARTNERSHIP TO MAKE SURE IT'S AN OCALENDAR AGREEABLE FOR THEM. I DO HEAR YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT COMMENT. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT. -- I LIKE PARTNERSHIP, IT GOES BOTH WAYS. >> COUNCILOR, I UNDERSTOOD. THAT'S WHY WE BEGIN THE PROCESS WAY BEFORE JULY 1. OUR WEHC OPERATION, I WILL SAY WE'RE CURRENTLY IN DISCUSSION. WE PUT THE RFP OUT. THERE WAS NO VIABLE RESPONSES. WE'RE MOVING INTO EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT WITH ENTITIES FOR OPERATION. WE'VE ENGAGED -- RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN CONVERSATION WITH TWO PROPOSALS FORWARD WITH REGARD TO THE SCOPE AND SCOPE OF WORK THAT CAN BE DONE. UNDERSTANDING THAT HAS TO BE BUILT TOGETHER. WE HAD A CONTRACT WITH OUR CURRENT PROVIDER THAT WILL TAKE US THROUGH THE YEAR. THERE'S NO GAP IN SERVICES. OR TO THE ACTUAL YEAR, NOT FISCAL YEAR. AND SO, CURRENTLY WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM ON DEVELOPING THE SCOPE AND NEGOTIATING A BUDGET WITH REGARD TO WHERE WE CAN MEET IN THE MIDDLE BASED ON THE ALLOCATED MONEY WE HAVE TO OPERATE THAT. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. HOW MUCH DO WE PAY THE CURRENT OPERATOR TO CONTINUE OPERATIONS? >> THAT CONTRACT, I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S SIGNED, BUT THE AMOUNT WE HAVE IS THE ENTIRE AMOUNT WON'T BE DRAWN DOWN. IT'S THE ALLOCATED BUDGET OF A LITTLE OVER $3 MILLION. I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME. I'LL SEND IT TO YOU. >>COUN. ROGERS: LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR FOR THE COMMUNITY. OUR RFP DIDN'T GO WELL THAT WE PUT OUT IN MARCH. BECAUSE WE NEED AN OPERATOR, WE'VE EXTENDED THE CONTRACT WITH THE CURRENT OPERATOR. IT'S SIX MONTHS AND WE'RE PAYING THEM CLOSE TO $4 MILLION FOR THAT CONTRACT. >> WE'VE ALLOCATED THE AMOUNT OF MONEY, BUT NOT THE FULL AMOUNT ISSUES. THE UNDERSTANDING IN THE PARTNERSHIP WE HAVE WITH THE CURRENT PROVIDER IS THEY WOULD PROVIDE COVERAGE WHILE WE WORK TO EXIT THIS OFF TO ANOTHER OPERATING ENTITY. WE KNOW BASED ON OUR PREVIOUS BUDGET. >>COUN. ROGERS: I UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ENCUMBERING AND WHAT THEY DRAW DOWN. WHAT WAS THE CONTRACT SAY THE AMOUNT IS WE AGREED TO PAY THEM TO EXTEND THE CONTRACT? THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, WE'RE HAPPY TO PROVIDE THAT ONCE IT'S XECUTED. IT'S STILL WITH THEIR BOARD. >>COUN. ROGERS: SORRY, MR. PRESIDENT. WITH THE PROVIDER'S BOARD? >> WITH HEADING HOME. >>COUN. ROGERS: SO WE HAVE A DRAFT CONTRACT THAT THEY'RE READING. >> YES. IT'S BACK AND FORTH IN THE LAST MINUTE SCOPES, NOW WE'RE GOOD. >>COUN. ROGERS: I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT. >> WE WOULD LOVE TO PROVIDE THAT ONCE IT'S EXECUTED. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU. WE WANT TO SUPPORT YOU. WE WANT TO HELP YOU IN ANY WAY WE CAN. THAT'S REFLECTED IN THE BUDGET WITH THE DOLLARS WE APPROVE EVERY YEAR. WE WANT TO GET THAT RIGHT. I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE MAYOR'S STAFF GOT EVERYTHING THEY ASKED FOR AND NO REVERSIONS AND THEY SPEND EVERY BIT OF THAT MONEY. WE WANT THIS DEPARTMENT TO BE IN THE SAME WAY IN THAT REGARD AND HOW MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAT IS. COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. BUDGET CHAIR, GOOD JOB ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS. AS BUDGET CHAIR, I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE WHAT ALL THE COUNCILORS SAID, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION AND APPRECIATE IT. I JUST WANTED TO SAY WE REALLY WORKED HARD TO MAKE SURE YOU HAD ALL THE RESOURCES THAT YOU NEED. ALTHOUGH, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY INTERESTING TO SEE THIS OCCURRING BECAUSE WHAT WE DID WAS WE ACTUALLY DIDN'T CUT ANYTHING. WE WERE CRITICIZED FOR CUTTING WHEN IN REALITY WE -- THE -- I GUESS WHAT IS DIFFICULT IS HEARING FROM SOME OF THE PROVIDERS NOW AGAIN SAYING THAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS SAYING THAT WE'RE THE ONES THAT MADE THAT CUT BASED ON THAT WHICH IS NOT ACCURATE. I THINK WHAT WE'RE DOING IS FOR THE RECORD TO SAY THAT WE'VE BEEN SUPPORTIVE OF YOUR DEPARTMENT. WE DIDN'T CUT IT INITIALLY. BUT A VERY INSIGNIFICANT AMOUNT. AND ALSO PROVIDE A MILLION DOLLARS TO EVEN BOLSTER SOME OF THE WORK YOU'RE DOING. THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOOD. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR. WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE GEARS. WE'LL GO TO COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THIS IS FOR THE ADMINISTRATION OR APD IN REGARD TO -- IN REGARD TO RESOLUTION 22-76. PUBLIC SAFETY AND QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES. TO DEVELOP A PILOT PROGRAM UTILIZING NOISE CAMERAS FROM THE AUTOMATED NOISE VEHICLE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHERE THAT'S AT. WE SPOKE WITH A PROFESSOR AND APD WAS SUPPOSED TO CONNECT WITH HIM ON THAT. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BACA, APD LOOKED AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT COMPANIES AS PART OF THAT PILOT PROJECT. AND THE FEASIBILITY OF HAVING THAT PROGRAM IDENTIFY AN ACTUAL VEHICLE -- THE PROBLEM WITH THE TECHNOLOGY IS -- NEW YORK HAS SOME. OTHER CITIES HAVE IT. AND THE WAY IT WORKS IN SOME PLACES IS THEY GO THROUGH AN INTERSECTION AND IT'S FOUR CARS WIDE OR TWO CARS OR HOWEVER IT MAY BE IT CAN'T DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN ONE CAR OR ANOTHER ONE. WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH HOW THAT PROCESS OF WORKING TO IDENTIFY THAT VEHICLE. WHO WOULD GET FINED AND HOW WOULD WE IMPLEMENT A PENALTY PROCESS FOR THAT. I KNOW SOME OF THE TECHNOLOGY IS IN THE INFANCY STAGE. I'M WILLING TO SIT DOWN WITH THE PROFESSOR. AND JUST SEE WHERE THAT TECHNOLOGY IS. THE LAST TIME WE CHECKED IN ON IT, IT'S NOT THERE YET IN A WAY THAT WE COULD MAKE IT LAWFUL WHERE WE KNOW THAT'S THE CAR MAKING THE NOISE OR WHO WE SEND THE TICKET TO. IF WE STREAMLINE THAT PROCESS, OR HE HAS SOMETHING TO SAY. >>COUN. BACA: PROFESSOR, WOULD YOU MIND COMING UP? I BELIEVE PART OF THE PILOT PROGRAM IS TO GET THOSE ANSWERS. I APOLOGIZE IF I MISPRONOUNCED YOUR NAME. YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHERE YOU'RE AT OR FIELD QUESTIONS THAT HE HAS? >> SO, THE NOISE CAMERAS CAN IDENTIFY VEHICLES. WE PREFER TO HAVE SINGLE LANE ANALYSIS. IF YOU HAVE ONE VEHICLE DRIVING BY AT A TIME WE CAN IDENTIFY THE VEHICLE. WHEN YOU MOVE TO TWO OR THREE LANES IN THE SAME DIRECTION, WE CAN'T DIFFERENTIATE EXACTLY WHAT VEHICLE IS MAKING THE NOISE. WE'VE DONE A PILOT PROGRAM AND TESTING IN SANTA FE AND ALBUQUERQUE. WE DO HAVE TO THROW OUT SOME OF THE CAPTURES BECAUSE THERE'S VEHICLES RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER. WE'RE FINDING ON SINGLE LANE ROADS, WE HAVE TO THROW OUT ABOUT 25% OF CAPTURES. AND TWO-LANE ROADS WE THROW OUT 50% OF CAPTURES. THAT'S A HIGH RATE OF ENFORCEMENT. TALKING TO FOLKS IN NEW YORK CITY, THEY'RE ISSUING CITATIONS WITH THIS TECHNOLOGY. CITATIONS ARE STICKING IN COURT. THEY HAVE A 20% SUCCESS RATE. THEY'RE THROWN OUT 80% OF THE CAPTURES. 20 ARE IRREFUTABLE AND STICKING IN COURT. >>COUN. BACA: I KNOW WITHIN DISTRICT TWO THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF SINGLE LANE LOCATIONS WHERE NOISE IS EXCESSIVE. AND MAYBE WORTH PILOTING. >> THERE'S A SWEET SPOT. AND WE'D LOVE TO FIGURE IT OUT WITH MORE TESTING. SOMETHING LIKE ON CONSTITUTION OR ROADS DOWNTOWN WHERE YOU HAVE HIGH VEHICLE VOLUME, BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THAT MANY VEHICLES. TRYING TO DO IT ON COORS OR OTHER PLACES LIKE THAT YOU'LL GET A LOW SUCCESS RATE. THERE'S A SWEET SPOT WITH SMALLER ROADS AROUND TOWN. >>COUN. BACA: DC BROWN WOULD YOU WORK WITH THEM TO TRY TO GET THIS GOING? WHAT'S THE COST? >> WE HAVE A NOISE CAMERA SITTING IN THE GARAGE. IT'S FREE WE'RE HAPPY TO THROW IT UP THERE AND CHECK IT OUT. IT'S A PILOT PROGRAM. WHAT WE WOULD NEED IS JUST AN ELECTRICAL HOOK UP ON THE UTILITY POLE, YOUR BLESSING AND WE CAN SHARE THE RESULTS. >>COUN. BACA: YOU HAVE MY BLESSING. I'LL TAKE THREE, RIGHT? >> THERE'S LOTS OF OPTIONS. I THINK THE BIGGEST ISSUE -- DOWNTOWN. SOME OF THEM ARE PRETTY NOISY. I THINK A LOT OF THINGS WE LOOKED AT AS WELL IS THE INITIAL START-UP COST. I THINK LAST TIME WE WOULDN'T KNOW WHEN THE CAMERAS GO UP. I'M WILLING TO WORK WITH THEM. WE'LL FIGURE SOMETHING OUT. CAN'T GUARANTEE, BUT WE'LL LOOK AT IT. >>COUN. BACA: I APPRECIATE IT. AND I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE JUST A DOWNTOWN THING. HOWEVER YOU WORK IT OUT WITH ADDITIONAL LOCATIONS. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I'LL MAKE THIS QUICK. JUST WANTED TO GET INFORMATION FROM THE ADMINISTRATION ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN REFERENCE TO THE CONTRACT FOR THE PICK UP AND CLEAN UP. HOW MANY CALLS ARE WE DOING. HOW MUCH MONEY IS STILL LEFT? WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US? >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, OUR DEPUTY CAO WILL TALK THROUGH WHERE WE ARE. AND I THINK WE HAVE ASKED TO PROVIDE A FULL PROPOSAL -- PRESENTATION TO ALL OF YOU. A FULL PICTURE, IN THE COMING MONTHS. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. ONCE THIS LEGISLATION WAS PASSED IN FEBRUARY WE GOT THE PROGRAM UP AND RUNNING. IT TOOK 45 DAYS TO GET SOMEBODY ON CONTRACT TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE THROUGH THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH DEPARTMENT. $100,000 WAS ALLOCATED TO THIS THROUGH THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH DEPARTMENT. TO DATE, WE'VE DONE 1600 CALLS. AND WE'VE EXTENDED THAT 100,000 WITHIN THE FIRST THREE MONTHS. WE'VE CONTINUED THE PROGRAM. THIS IS JUST ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH, BUT THERE ARE CALLS THAT ARE GOING TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS SUCH AS SOLID WASTE AND AFR. OTHER DEPARTMENTS, PARKS AND RECREATION THAT NEED TO USE THE SERVICE. WE'RE COMPILING ALL THE DATA. TO DATE, 1,600 CALLS HAVE COME IN AND BEEN ADDRESSED. THERE ARE SOME THAT HAVEN'T BEEN ADDRESSED. WE HAVE FOUND GLITCHES IN THE SYSTEM WITH HOW THEY'RE REPORTED THROUGH OUR APP. THEY WERE BEING ROUTED TO THE WRONG AREA. FROM THOSE, WE'VE ADDRESSED OUT OF 214, 148. THERE ARE SOME THAT DIDN'T GET ADDRESSED OR WHEN WE SHOWED UP THERE WASN'T ENOUGH -- NUMBER ONE IT WAS ALREADY GONE OR THERE WASN'T ENOUGH INFORMATION TO ADDRESS THESE. WE'RE CONTINUING THIS PROGRAM AS THE NEW FISCAL YEAR STARTED. EVEN THOUGH $100,000 WAS ALLOCATED. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I MIGHT HAVE A COUPLE MORE. I'M GOING TO STOP THERE. THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. DIRECTOR, THIS IS MORE OF A REQUEST. I WENT OUT WITH THE POOP PATROL. THOSE GUYS ARE DOING GOD'S WORK, FOR SURE. IT REALLY SPEAKS TO THE NEED OF THE PUBLIC SELF-CLEANING TO BE HONEST. ONE OF MY REQUESTS, I HEARD COMPLAINTS THAT THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO GET TO CERTAIN AREAS FAST ENOUGH. I UNDERSTAND THAT. MY REQUEST IS THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN HOT SPOTS WHERE THERE'S HIGH TRAFFIC, THE GRAY HOUND STATION, AREAS WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE WALKING. THEY CAN GO THERE EVERY DAY, TO BE HONEST. IF WE CAN HAVE PLACES LIKE THAT WEEKLY, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL WITHOUT HAVING TO CALL IT IN AND GO THREE OR FOUR WEEKS AT A TIME. >> COUNCILOR BACA, WE'RE COMPILING ALL THAT DATA. WE HAVE HEAT MAPS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TO SEE THOSE AREAS AND HOT SPOTS. AND HOW WE ADDRESS THOSE ACCORDING TO THE ENCAMPMENT OR JUST FECES. WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL THAT. THAT'S THE DAA WE'RE COMPILING THAT IS PART OF THIS PROJECT. >>COUN. LEWIS: WE'LL GO TO COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. A COUPLE QUESTIONS ON THIS. FIRST, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I HEARED FROM CLIENTS RIGHT AFTER THIS PROGRAM WAS STARTED UP. AND THEY WERE VERY, VERY HAPPY WITH THE WORK THAT'S BEING DONE BY THE CONTRACTOR. I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. THE CONTRACTOR IS DOING A REALLY GOOD JOB. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY SOME OF THE THINGS THAT MR. WHELAN SAID. $100,000 WAS ALLOCATED FOR APRIL, MAY, JUNE WHICH YOU SAID IT ALMOST MADE IT TO THE END OF THAT. WE HAD NUMEROUS CONVERSATIONS AT THE BUDGET HEARING, OVER AND OVER AGAIN, I ASKED HOW ARE WE GOING TO PAY FOR THIS PROGRAM IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. I HOPE YOU REMEMBER THAT BECAUSE I CERTAINLY DO. WHEN I CALLED THE MAYOR'S OFFICE A WEEK AND A HALF AGO TO GET INFORMATION ON THIS PROGRAM, WHICH I NEVER GOT, I WAS ONCE AGAIN TOLD THIS IS A PILOT PROJECT. CAN SOMEONE, DR. SENGEL, PERHAPS YOU CAN ANSWER WHY THIS CONTINUES TO BE TREATED AS A PILOT PROJECT, WHY THERE'S NOT A LONG-TERM PLAN TO CONTINUE THIS PROJECT THAT WAS PASSED BY THIS COUNCIL, REQUESTED BY THIS COUNCIL BECAUSE WE GET REQUESTS EVERY SINGLE DAY FROM CITIZENS OF OUR CITY THAT WANT THIS PROGRAM AND STILL, IT'S AUGUST, BEING TOLD THIS IS A PILOT PROGRAM. AND THEY MAY OR MAY NOT GET THEIR FECES REMOVED BECAUSE THERE MAY OR MAY NOT BE MONEY. >> COUNCIL COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, THE WORD PILOT FOR SOME REASON HAS STUCK. I FEEL LIKE I'M GOING TO HAVE TO GO AROUND AND PRY IT OUT OF PEOPLE AND SAY WE CAN'T SAY PILOT. WE RECOGNIZE AND KNOW THE VALUE OF DOING THIS WORK. OUR TEAM IS ABSOLUTELY WORKING TO BRING FORWARD PRESENTATIONS TO YOU ALL. WE SAID WE WOULD COME BACK TO YOU ONCE WE UNDERSTOOD HOW LONG THE DOLLARS WOULD LAST, WHAT IT COST US PER MONTH AND ALL OF THAT. PART OF THE CHALLENGE WAS DURING THE BUDGET HEARING PROCESS THE TIMING FOR THAT WE DID NOT HAVE REAL CLARITY ABOUT HOW FAST WE WERE SPENDING DOWN BASED UPON THE DEMAND. FIRST MONTH WAS NEVER GOING TO BE A GOOD INDICATOR FOR THE REOCCURRING DEMAND. AS WE ALL HAVE DISCUSSED TONIGHT, THE DEMAND IS FAR BEYOND WHAT WE ARE EVEN DOING TODAY. WE'RE RESPONDING TO THE REQUESTS, BUT WE ARE DISCUSSING ABOUT PROACTIVE REMOVAL. AND AS THAT WAS SAID, I'M THINKING ABOUT WHAT I UNDERSTAND WITH FINANCIAL ANALYSIS, THIS IS GOING TO BE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF COST THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER. I'VE ASKED THE TEAM FROM AN ADMINISTRATIVE COST TO LOOK AT WHAT WE'VE DONE FOR THREE MONTHS, EVALUATE WHAT THAT PILOT FUNDING CAME THROUGH FOR. I DID NOT MEAN TO SAY PILOT. NOW IT'S IN MY HEAD I'M GOING TO START SAYING IT. FOR THOSE THREE MONTHS, HOW MUCH DID IT COST, HOW RESPONSE WERE WE, DID WE GET THERE IN A TAMELY FASHION, DID THE COMMUNITY GET WHAT THEY EXPECTED. WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS HAVE AN ANALYSIS AND MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION AS WE DETERMINE HOW TO DO IT THE BEST WAY POSSIBLE AND MOST FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE. I WOULD POSE THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT THE CONTRACT IS IT COST-EFFECTIVE. I'VE ASKED THE TEAM TO DO THAT ANALYSIS. WHEN FOLKS -- THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE NOT OVERPROMISING TO THE COMMUNITY. I'LL REMIND FOLKS WE'RE NOT RUNNING A PILOT PROGRAM. WE STARTED A PROGRAM AND WE'RE WORKING TOWARD EISH -- EFFICIENCIES AND MAKE SURE WE CAN STEP UP WITH WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS ASKING FOR. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: JUST TO CLARIFY, DOES THE ADMINISTRATION SUPPORT THE ENVIRONMENTALLY SAFE AND RESPONSIBLE CLEAN UP OF FECES THROUGHOUT OUR CITY, YES OR NO? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN ABSOLUTELY. WE BELIEVE THAT IS WHY WE PRIORITIZED THIS. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS THAT TAKE IN THOSE REQUESTS. WE HAVE MULTIPLE AREAS THAT ARE WORKING TO FUNNEL THOSE REQUESTS SO WE KNOW THE RIGHT PEOPLE ARE GOING OUT TO CLEAR THAT AND CLEAN IT UP. THIS IS UNFORTUNATELY -- LARGER THAN WE ALL ANTICIPATED THAT IT WOULD BE. I THINK IT IS ALSO GREATLY APPRECIATED BY THE COMMUNITY AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT. WE'RE LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY'S NEEDS. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. IT'S NOT GREATER THAN I ANTICIPATED WHEN I PROPOSED THIS BILL. I BELIEVE I SAID WE HAVE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE UNSHELTERED AND ONE BATHROOM AVAILABLE 24-7-365. IT'S NOT A SHOCK TO THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH FECES IN OUR COMMUNITY. I THINK WHAT'S SHOCKING TO ME IS THE HAPHAZARD RESPONSE FROM THE ADMINISTRATION IN IMPLEMENTING THIS LEGISLATION. I LOOK FORWARD TO THE PRESENTATION AT THE NEXT MEETING FROM BOTH THE ADMINISTRATION AND CONTRACTOR TO LEARN MORE ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING AND HOW IT CONTINUES FOR THE GOOD OF THE CITIZENS. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THANK YOU, MR. WELAND. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR DIRECTOR KEENER. WE GET EMAILS ABOUT LOTS OF THINGS WITH THE BUS SYSTEM. THIS LAST WEEK WE ALL RECEIVED AN EMAIL ABOUT SOMEBODY, WE'RE ALWAYS ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO TAKE THE BUS, INSTEAD OF THEIR CAR AND GET PEOPLE TO USE TRANSPORTATION, THEN WE FAIL THEM. THAT'S NOT MAKING ME VERY HAPPY. I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SAFE, CLEAN BUS SHELTERS. YOU HEAR ME TALK ABOUT IT A LOT. NEEDS TO BE INVITING AND IT NEEDS TO BE SAFE. MOST RECENTLY, SOMEBODY SENT US AN EMAIL THAT SAID THEY WERE TAKING THE BUS TO WORK, AND AT ONE OF THE STOPS THERE WAS SOMEBODY THAT HAD A SHOPPING CART FULL OF STUFF AND THAT BUS DRIVER WAITED FOR THAT PERSON TO TAKE ALL OF THE STUFF OUT OF THE SHOPPING CART, PUT IT IN TWO PLASTIC BAGS. ONE OF THEM WAS LEAKING LIQUID AND GET ON THE BUS. THIS TOOK ABOUT TEN MINUTES. THAT MADE THE BUS LATE. THAT MEANT HE WAS LATE FOR A TRANSFER TO GET TO THE NEXT BUS WHICH MEANT HE WAS LATE FOR WORK. WHICH IS NOT COOL. MY QUESTION, DIRECTOR, WHAT ARE THE RULES FOR RIDERS WHEN THEY'RE GETTING ON A BUS? WHAT IS THEIR ETIQUETTE? >> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR GROUT, FOR THE QUESTION. IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR THE DEPARTMENT, AS WE TALKED IN APRIL UPDATED RULES TO RIDE. WE'VE CONTINUED THAT MARKETING CAMPAIGN TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC AS WELL AS PROVIDING AND CONTINUING TO PROVIDE THAT TRAINING TO OUR DRIVERS AND OUR STAFF. METRO SECURITY, GUARDS, PSA AND TRANSIT SAFETY OFFICERS SO THEY'RE EDUCATED WITH ACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOR ON THE BUSES. ONE OF THE ADDITIONS WAS LARGE CARTS. WE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT. WE UPDATED THAT TO MAKE IT LARGER FROM THAT DISCUSSION. BUT NO LARGE CARTS ARE ALLOWED ON THE BUS. THAT DOES INCLUDE SHOPPING CARTS, FURNITURE DOLLIESES, AND LARGE BAGS. THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO BLOCK THE AISLE WITH THE BAGS OR ITEMS AND THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TAKE UP MORE THAN ONE SEAT. DRIVERS ARE INFORMING PASSENGERS ABOUT THE RULE AND THE SECURITY GUARDS AS WELL. HELPING TO ENFORCE THE RULES. SHOULD A DAMAGER DISREGARD THE RULES, IT'S ESCALATING TO SECURITY AND GET THEM HELP SO THAT DRIVER CAN GET THE PASSENGER OFF AND EDUCATE THEM ON THE POLICIES. JUST CONTINUING TO EDUCATE. WE HAVE RULES TO RIDE ON ALL THE BUSES. THEY'RE POSTED ON THE PLATFORMS AND VARIOUSES SHELTERS AT THE FACILITY AND WE HAVE CARDS THAT ARE SECURITY GUARDS AND DRIVERS AND AS WELL AS APD TRANSIT SAFETY OFFICERS CARRY ON THEM. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE -- IT GOES BOTH WAYS. THE RIDERS NEED TO FOLLOW THE RULES AND OUR DRIVERS ALSO NEED TO BE ABLE TO REMIND OUR RIDERS WHAT THOSE RULES ARE AND THEN BE RESPECTFUL OF EACH OTHER AND OTHER RIDERS TOO. BECAUSE SOMETIMES THERE ARE NOT SPACE FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE RIDING TO GO TO WORK. THEY HAVE TO STAND UP BECAUSE THE SEATS AREN'T FULL OF PASSENGERS BUT THEY'RE FULL OF STUFF. THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE EITHER. I APPRECIATE THIS UPDATE. I HOPE THAT WE CONTINUE TO GET THE WORD OUT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND MR. PRESIDENT, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR THE DMD DIRECTOR. DIRECTOR TURNER, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. WE ALL KNOW THAT OUR STREETS IN OUR CITY ARE NOT IN GREAT SHAPE. NOT JUST IN MY DISTRICT, BUT ALL OVER THE CITY. THIS IS FOR ALL OVER. I JUST WANT TO -- AGAIN, WE GET EMAILS WHAT ARE YOU DOING ABOUT THE STREETS. WHEN IS OUR STREET GOING TO GET FIXED. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU ABOUT THAT. HOW DOES DMD STREET MAINTENANCE CHOOSE THE STREETS THAT GET RESURFACED? >> COUNCILOR GROUT, THANK YOU FOR THE GREAT QUESTION. I GET QUESTIONS A COUPLE TIMES A WEEK ABOUT THE PROCESS FOR REPAVING STREETS. WE'RE ALWAYS HAPPY TO RE-EDUCATE FOLKS ON WHAT OUR PROCESS LOOKS LIKE. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IT'S PRIMARILY BASED ON STREET CONDITION. IN GENERAL, POOR AND VERY POOR STREETS ARE CANDIDATES FOR REHABILITATION SO THAT IS THE SIGNIFICANT STREET WORK THAT YOU SEE. AND THEN STREETS IN FAIR, AND GOOD CONDITION ARE CANDIDATES FOR CRACK SEAL AND MICROSURFACING. THAT'S PRESERVATION FOR THE SMALLER WORK. WE ALSO HAVE OTHER FACTORS THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THAT. TRAFFIC LOADS. THE STREETS THAT CARRY HIGH TRAFFIC HAVE MORE PRIORITY. 311 CALLS, WHICH IS WHEN WE GET CALLS FOR POTHOLE REPAIR AND CRACKED SEALS FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT ROADS. CONTINUITY OF PROJECTS. IF WE'RE DOING STREETWORK IN ONE NEIGHBORHOOD RATHER THAN LEAVE THAT ONE STREET UNTOUCHED WE TRY TO MAXIMIZE USE OF OUR RESOURCES AND DO ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOODS AT THE SAME TIME. AND WE ALSO DO PHYSICAL INSPECTIONS OF THE ROAD THAT INFORMS WHAT TYPE OF WORK WE DO, WHETHER THAT'S REHAB OR PRESERVATION. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. I LIKE THAT EXPLANATION. IT MADE IT VERY CLEAR FOR ME. WHAT IS THE APPROXIMATE COST PER MILE FOR EACH TREATMENT? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, IF YOU HAD ASKED ME A FEW YEARS AGO IT WOULD BE A VERY DIFFERENT ANSWER, BUT WITH RISING CONSTRUCTION COST AROUND THE CITY AND STATE, WE'RE LOOKING AT MAJOR REHAB WORK, THAT'S ABOUT $500,000 PER MILE. THAT NOT ONLY INCLUDES PAVEMENT, BUT IF WE NEED CURB AND GUTTER OR STRIPING OR ADA ACCESSIBLE SIDE WALK THAT GOES INTO THE $500,000 AMOUNT. FOR CRACK SEAL AND MICRO-SURFACING IT'S ABOUT $100,000 PER LINE MILE. >>COUN. GROUT: HOW MANY MILES OF ROAD WAY ARE -- HOW MANY MILES OF ROADWAY IN ALBUQUERQUE HAVE BEEN EVALUATED AND JUDGED TO BE IN NEED OF TREATMENT? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, IN ALBUQUERQUE WE HAVE OVER 4600 LANE MILES OF PAVED ROADWAY. I LIKE TO PUT THIS IN TERMS OF PLACES WE ACTUALLY GO TO. THAT ACTUALLY WOULD BE A TWO-LANE ROAD ALL THE WAY TO DISNEY WORLD ALL THE WAY UP TO MAINE. THAT'S A LOT OF ROADS. IT'S A 2.8 BILLION DOLLAR ASSET. AND THAT'S ONLY THE PAVEMENT ALONE. IT'S A LOT OF WORK TO SURVEY. BUT IN DMD WE WORK WITH CONTRACTORS TO SURVEY EVERY INCH OF THE CITY EVERY FOUR TO FIVE YEARS. WE HAVE A REALLY HIGH-TECH VAN WITH 360 DEGREE CAMERAS. IT'S A REALLY COOL VAN. MUCH BETTER THAN THE ICE CREAM TRUCK. AND THAT VAN SURVEYS THE WHOLE CITY OVER FOUR TO FIVE YEARS AND ALSO EVERY YEAR WHEN THE ROADS ARE NOT BEING SURVEYED WE ACTUALLY APPLY A DEGROGATION CURVE THAT LOOKS AT THE DEGRADATION OF THE ROAD AND ADJUST THE VIEW OF THE STREETS BASED ON THAT DEGRADATION. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. HOW MUCH DOES DMD HAVE IN A FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGET FOR STREETS? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, IN 2025, IN THE OPERATING, THERE'S ABOUT $27 MILLION. THAT'S BETWEEN GENERAL FUND STREETS, GENERAL FUND STREET SERVICES, AND THE GAS TAX OF $6.8 MILLION. IT'S ABOUT $2 MILLION MORE THAN FY24. BUT THERE WAS A TRANSFER TO THE GAS TAX FUND IN 2024. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. CAN YOU TELL US HOW IT'S BROKEN DOWN BETWEEN OPERATING EXPENSES? LIKE SALARY, AND CAPITAL EXPENSES FOR RESURFACING? >> COUNCILOR LEWIS, COUNCILOR GROUT, I CANNOT AT THIS MOMENT BREAK DOWN CAPITAL VERSUS OPERATING EXPENSES. >> SOME OF THE $27 MILLION IS PERSONNEL? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION. I HOPE THAT PEOPLE LISTENED AND UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR HOW EXTENSIVE IT IS FOR OUR STREET. YES, WE NEED LOTS OF REPAIRS. WE HAVE $27 MILLION TO DO THAT THIS YEAR. THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: OKAY. LET'S GO TO COUNCILOR ROGERS FIRST AND COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. MY QUESTIONS ARE FOR TRANSIT. DIRECTOR KEENER. WHILE SHE'S COMING UP, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH TO TRANSIT. I GOT TO DO A LITTLE RIDE ALONG IN OUR DISTRICT AFTER OUR CONVERSATION ABOUT BENCHES. I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW BY THE TIME WE HAD THE RIDE ALONG BENCHES WERE BACK. AND MOST OF THE STOPS -- THERE WERE A COUPLE THAT WE NEEDED TO DO. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR HELPING ME LEARN ABOUT TRANSIT. THERE'S LOT TO LEARN. I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THE SURVEY COMING UP. CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT HOW MANY SURVEYS RERESPONDENTS WE HAVE? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, WHICH SURVEY ARE YOU REFERRING TO? >>COUN. ROGERS: FOR THE RECOVERY NETWORK. >> I DON'T HAVE THE DATA, THEY'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF PUBLIC COMMENT. THROUGHOUT THAT PROCESS, IT'S THE END OF AUGUST BUT WE'RE GOING TO EXTEND IT TO MID-SEPTEMBER. >>COUN. ROGERS: THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW. MR. PRESIDENT, ARE THERE ANY ADVERTISEMENTS FOR THE SURVEY ON THE BUS? OR ANY OF THE PLATFORMS? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. THERE ARE POSTERS ON THE BUSES. WE HAVE POSTERS AT THE TRANSIT FACILITIES THAT ARE INFORMATION REGARDING THE SURVEY AND WHERE TO TAKE IT AS FAR AS THE NETWORK STUDY IS CONCERNED. >>COUN. ROGERS: I DIDN'T CHECK MYSELF, BUT IS IT AVAILABLE IN MULTIPLE LANGUAGES. >> COUNCILOR ROGERS, YES IT'S AVAILABLE IN MULTIPLE LANGUAGES. >>COUN. ROGERS: WONDERFUL. I'M REALLY INTERESTED IN HOW YOUR MOST RECENT HIRING FAIR WENT. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, I APPRECIATE THAT QUESTION. THE HIRING EVENT WENT REALLY GRIT FOR US. IT WAS TWO FRIDAYS. WE HAD ANOTHER GREAT EVENT IN WHICH WE HAD 64 APPLICATIONS WITH CONDITIONAL OFFERS THAT WENT THROUGH. IT WAS SOMEWHERE AROUND 22 MCOs, 22 SUN VAN CHAUFFEURS. AND WE HAD MECHANIC HELPERS. WE HOPE IT'S GOING TO BE A NICE STARTING POSITION FOR US TO BE ABLE TO CREATE A LADDER INTO THE MECHANIC FOR THE MAINTENANCE SIDE. AND WE ALSO HAD APD AS PART OF THAT HIRING EVENT BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL LOOKING FOR TRANSIT SAFETY OFFICERS, AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO GET FULLY STAFFED OFF THAT. >>COUN. ROGERS: WONDERFUL. JUST SO THE PUBLIC KNOWS, THERE'S STILL TIME -- WE'RE GOING TO EX-TEPPED -- EXTEND THE SURVEY. WHERE CAN THEY FIND INFORMATION ABOUT THAT? >> ABQ RIDE FORWARD.COM. AND EVERYTHING ABOUT THE NETWORK STUDY AND THE PHASED REPORTS. WE'RE IN THE LAST PHASE. ALONG WITH WAYS TO SIGN UP SO YOU GET INFORMATION. AS WE'RE HAVING THE WORKSHOP AND THE SMALL GROUPS ALL THAT WILL GET PUSHED TO YOU. >>COUN. ROGERS: AND A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS, MR. PRESIDENT, WHEN WILL THE FINAL RECOVERY NETWORK PLAN BE DONE? I LOOKED AT THE WEBSITE AND THANKS TO MY FRIEND ON OUR TRANSIT BOARD, WHO HELPED ME LEARN AND NAVIGATE THAT SYSTEM, IT SAID TO BE DETERMINED AS FAR AS THE FINAL. I WANT AN IDEA OF WHEN THAT WILL BE. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, LIKE I SAID OUR PUBLIC COMMENT HAS BEEN EXTENDED THROUGH MID-SEPTEMBER. ONCE WE GET ALL THAT, WE'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THAT DATA AND LOOK AT WHAT THE COMMENTS RETURNED AND MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE PROPOSED NETWORK BASED OFF OF THAT. IT WILL BE EARLY NEXT YEAR THAT WILL HAVE THOSE RESULTS TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT. >>COUN. ROGERS: OKAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH. >>COUN. LEWIS: ALL RIGHT. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ AND COUNCILOR GROUT AND COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. YOU CAN TELL WE HAVEN'T HAD A MEETING IN A FEW MONTHS. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. QUESTIONS FOR APD. AND ALSO THE ADMIN ON THIS ONE. THE QUESTION IS, RIGHT NOW WE'VE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH COMMANDER PATTERSON ON THE WEST SIDE. IN REFERENCE TO TRAFFIC ON DOORS. WE'VE HAD SEVERAL FATALITIES ON COORS, AND WE HAVE A SPEEDING PROBLEM ON COORS. WE ONLY HAVE ONE TRAFFIC CAM. I APPRECIATE THE EFFORT, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE MORE EFFORT BECAUSE WE'RE STILL HAVING ISSUES. LOTS OF SPEED ON COORS. MOSTLY BETWEEN I-40 AND PASEO. AND AGAIN ON COORS BYPASS. THOSE ROADS ARE REALLY, REALLY NEEDING SOME EXTRA ATTENTION. I'D LIKE TO SEE IF YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO ADD SOME SORT OF PLAN, OR TACT PLAN OVER COUPLE A DAYS AND IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND GIVING ME THE RESULTS TO MAKE SURE THERE'S TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT GOING ON. WE NEED TO SLOW DOWN THE TRAFFIC. ALSO FOR THE ADMINISTRATION. I'D LIKE TO SEE AND WORK WITH THE ADMINISTRATION AND ALSO POLICE DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET SOME MORE SPEED CAMS ON COORS TO START SLOWING DOWN THE AMOUNT OF FATALITIES WE'RE HAVING ON COORS. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR, ABSOLUTELY. WE HAVE UPCOMING PLANS IN THE NEXT SIX WEEKS THAT COVER SPEEDING AND OTHER THINGS. AND WE'LL MAKE SURE TO GET IT ON COORS. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. CAN YOU LET ME KNOW WHEN THOSE PLANS ARE OCCURRING AND THE RESULTS? ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS A POLICE OFFICER IS OUR TRAFFIC UNIT, EACH TRAFFIC OFFICER WOULD WRITE BETWEEN 300 AND 500 A MONTH. I HOPE WE'RE DOING SOMETHING SIMILAR. >> THEY DO A LOT. THAT'S PRETTY -- I THINK THEY DO MORE THAN THAT NOW. THEY DO A BUNCH. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, RECENTLY, THERE'S THE NEWS STORY ABOUT CRIME MAPPING BEING STOPPED IN ALBUQUERQUE AND APD NOT DOING THAT. I'M HOPING TO GET AN UPDATE AS TO WHAT WE'RE DOING. I KNOW MENTIONED IT IN ADVANCE. I THINK YOU MIGHT BE OFF THE HOOK. >> COUNCILOR BASSAN, I'M DEPUTY CHIEF GREIGO, I HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY SIDE OF APD. IT IS DOWN AND WE'RE AWARE OF IT. IT HAD TO DO WITH THE CHANGE OF THE CAD SYSTEM. WE'RE WORKING ON GETTING THE FUNCTION BACK UP. >>COUN. BASSAN: GREAT. MR. PRESIDENT, PEOPLE CAN EXPECT SOONISH, ONCE ALL THAT IS GOING, TO BE ABLE TO FIND AND PINPOINT AND SEE WHAT KIND OF CRIME IS HAPPENING WHEREVER THEY CHOOSE TO LOOK IN ALBUQUERQUE? >> ABSOLUTELY. >>COUN. BASSAN: OKAY, THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. NOT REALLY A QUESTION. ADMIN, MAINLY FOR AFR AND ACS. MOST OF YOU KNOW THAT A WATER MAIN BROKE AND FLOODED A LADY'S HOUSE. DURING THAT TIME SHE LOST HER SERVICE DOG. AND I WANTED TO TAKE THE TIME TO THANK ACS. THEY CAME OUT AND WORKED WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND SEARCHED FOR THIS MISSING DOG. AND AFR CAME OUT AND DID NOT ONLY SECONDARY SEARCHES, SEARCH THAT NIGHT, BUT SECONDARY SEARCHES TO ALLEVIATE OR ELIMINATE THAT THE DOG WAS STILL IN THE HOUSE. LUCKILY THE DOG WASN'T IN THE HOUSE, BUT THAT MEANS WE CAN REFOCUS THE EFFORTS TO FINDING THE DOG AND GETTING IT BACK TO THE LADY THAT DESPERATELY NEEDS IT. HER AND HER DAUGHTER. I WANT TO THANK AFR CHIEF, AND ACS. AND THE ADMIN, FOR YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH US. I REACHED OUT TO YOU A COUPLE TIMES AND WE TALKED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, THANK YOU FOR THAT. I WANT TO ADD THAT ANIMAL WELFARE HAS BEEN ON ALERT LOOKING FOR IT. AND THAT THEY HAVE -- THEIR STAFF IS FULLY AWARE THAT IF A DOG COMES IN, IT'S UNDERSTOOD TO BE A CHIPPED DOG. WE'LL PROCESS IT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. >>COUN. LEWIS: ALL RIGHT. ITEM FIVE IS THE JOURNAL. COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE JUNE 17th JOURNAL. >>COUN. LEWIS: MOVED AND SECONDED BY COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES. OPPOSED NO. MOTION PASSES. UNANIMOUSLY. WE GO TO COMMUNICATIONS AND INTRODUCTIONS. COUNCILORS, ANY CHANGES TO THE LETTER OF INTRODUCTION? COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: FOR THE PURPOSE OF PLACING O-33 ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA FOR ACTION. IT'S ACCEPTING THE INVESTMENT GRADE AUDIT REPORT AND APPROVING THE ENERGY SAVING CONTRACT AND BY AND BETWEEN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. I ACTUALLY MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED. >>COUN. LEWIS: O-33. MOVED AND SECONDED BY COUNCILOR GROUT. ANY CUSHION OR QUESTIONS? THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES. OPPOSED NO. MOTION PASSES. COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR THE PURPOSE OF PLACING O-34. IT'S AUTHORIZING THE ISSUANCE AND SALE OF CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE, NEW MEXICO MUNICIPAL INFRASTRUCTURE GROSS RECEIPTS TAX REVENUE BONDS SERIES 2024 IN THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $9.2 MILLION. THE SERIES 2024 BONDS TO FINANCE THE COST OF ACQUIRING CONSTRUCTIVE AND IMPROVING ENERGY PROJECTS FOR CITY FACILITIES AND PAYING THE EXPENSE FOR THE ISSUANCE OF SERIES 2024 BONDS. >>COUN. LEWIS: THIS IS O-34. SECONDED BY COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS? THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. OPPOSE NO. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. MOTION PASSES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR THE PLACING R-71 ON THE AGENDA FOR ACTION. AMENDING THE PLAN FOR THE DOUBLE EAGLE TWO AIRPORT TO ALLOW NON-AIR NAUTICAL LAND USING INCLUDING COMMERCIAL LODGING, FILM STUDIO AND RENEWABLE ENERGY AS PERMISSIVE USE UNDER A NEW SECTION OF THE MASTER PLAN OF APPROPRIATE LAND USES. >>COUN. LEWIS: R-71 SECONDED BY COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. OR COUNCILOR BACA. WE'LL SEE THESE ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT. THIS IS R-71. MOVED AND SECONDED. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES, OPPOSED NO. COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE LETTER OF INTRODUCTION. >>COUN. LEWIS: BEFORE WE DO THAT. I'M SORRY, ANY OTHER ITEM ON THIS? OKAY. COUNCILOR GROUT MADE THE MOTION FOR APPROVAL. SECONDED BY -- MOTION PASSES. COUNCILORS, ANY DEFERRALS? >>COUN. ROGERS: BY REQUEST, I WOULD LIKE TO DEFER O-21, COMMITTEE SUB AMENDING THE REVISED ORDINANCE OF ALBUQUERQUE. I MOVE DEFERRAL TO AUGUST 19th. >>COUN. LEWIS: MOVED AND SECONDED BY COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. I'M GOING TO POSE THIS BECAUSE I THINK WE SHOULD SEE IT TONIGHT. I THINK IT'S ON THE AGENDA FOR A GOOD WHILE. -- >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I AGREE WITH YOUR COMMENTS. I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS IT TONIGHT. I KNOW THERE'S AMENDMENTS THAT SHOULD BE ABLE TO HEAR. I WOULD POSSIBLY SUPPORT A DEFERRAL LATER. BUT NOT NOW. >>COUN. LEWIS: OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE DEFERRAL? VOTE ON THAT. MOTION FOR DEFERRAL, IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED, NO, RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT MOTION FAILS ON A 4-5. WE'LL SEE THAT TONIGHT. COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BACA: MR. PRESIDENT, BY REQUEST, O-25 AMENDING ARTICLE 13-16 OF THE CITIER CHARTER RELATING TO ELECTION AND PUBLIC CAMPAIGN FINANCING. I MOVE DEFERRAL TO SEPTEMBER 16, 2024. >>COUN. LEWIS: MOVED AND SECONDED BY COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN FOR DEFERRAL. O-25. DISCUSSION? WHO IS THE SECOND? I KNOW THAT COUNCILOR BACA MADE THE MOTION AND COUNCILOR BASSAN SECONDED. WE'LL GET ALL THIS RIGHT. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED NO. MOTION PASSES. GO TO CONSENT AGENDA. ANY CHANGES TO THE CONSENT AGENDA? INDIVIDUALS ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA BEING APPOINTED TO SERVE ON A BOARD OR COMMISSION THANK YOU FOR THE WILLINGNESS IS SERVE. APPRECIATE YOU ALL. >>COUN. GROUT: I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. >>COUN. LEWIS: MOTION AND A SECOND BY COUNCILOR BASSAN. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED NO. MOTION PASSES. WE'RE GOING TO ANNOUNCEMENTS. COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, THERE WILL BE AN INTERGOVERNMENTAL RELATIONS COMMITTEE MEETING ON WEDNESDAY AUGUST 7 AT 3 P.M. VIA ZOOM VIDEO CONFERENCE. AND THE LAND USE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE MEETING IS CANCELED. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THERE WILL BE A FINANCE AND GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS COMMITTEE MEETING ON MONDAY AUGUST 12th AT 5 P.M. VIA ZOOM VIDEO CONFERENCE. THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUPLE ITEMS IN THE FINANCIAL INTEREST. COUNCILOR PEÑA. ITEM A. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THIS IS BY REQUEST, THIS IS O-33 ACCEPTING INVESTMENT GRADE AUDIT REPORT AND IMPROVING THE ENERGY PERFORMANCE SAVING CONTRACT BY AND BETWEEN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE AND SERVICES COMPANY LLC SUBJECT TO THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF SEPARATE FINANCE TRANSACTION TO FINANCE THE COST OF THE ENERGY PERFORMANCE CONTRACT EPC AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION AND DELIVERY OF EPC AND OTHER AGREEMENTS IN DOCUMENTS AND CONNECTION -- AND REPEALING ALL ORDINANCE PRIOR TO THE AXZ AND IN CONFLICT. I MOVE A MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. LEWIS: SECONDED BY COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK FOR THIS? >> NO, MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: ADMINISTRATION, ANY COMMENTS? >> MR. PRESIDENT, CHRIS MEREHEAD IS FOR THIS IF YOU NEED TO HEAR FROM HIM TONIGHT. >>COUN. LEWIS: ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY. SINCE YOU'RE HERE, WE'D LOVE TO HEAR A FEW WORDS. >> WE DO HAVE ONE PERSON. >>COUN. LEWIS: OKAY. YOU'RE WELCOME TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THE BILL. OTHERWISE, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR ADVICE AND EXPERTISE. THANK YOU. THAT'S MOVED AND SECONDED. COUNCILORS, ANY DISCUSSION? >>COUN. PEÑA: WE HAVE ONE PERSON SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. >>COUN. LEWIS: WE'LL GO TO COMMENT. >> MY LIST IS EXTENSIVE. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. >>COUN. LEWIS: IS IT ON ZOOM? >> YES, MR. PRESIDENT. GO AHEAD, SUSAN GORMAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, POINT OF ORDER. IT SHOWS ON OUR SIGNED UP SPEAKERS THAT'S FOR R-33. AND WE'RE DISCUSSING O-33. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS AN ACCIDENT OR IF IT'S THAT -- >>COUN. LEWIS: WOEL -- IT'S MOVED AND SECONDED. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES. OPPOSED NO. MOTION PASSES. COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THIS IS ALSO BY REQUEST. THIS IS O-34 AUTHORIZING THE ISSUANCE AND SALE AND DELIVERY OF THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE MUNICIPAL INFRASTRUCTURE GROSS RECEIPTS TAX REVENUE BOND SERIES 2024 IN A PRINCIPLE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED 9.2 AND THE SERIES 2024 BOND TO FINANCE THE COST ACQUIRING, CONSTRUCTING, AND IMPROVING ENERGY EFFICIENCY PROJECTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE CITY FACILITIES AND MAINTAIN EXPENSES RELATED TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE SERIES 2024 BONDS. I MOVE DO PASS. >>COUN. LEWIS: MOTION AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. I BELIEVE WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. WE DON'T? ALL RIGHT. COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I HAVE, MR. MOSCO, HOW ARE THE FACILITIES CHOSEN FOR THIS PROJECT? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, WHAT YOU JUST APPROVED WITH O-33 WAS THE AUDIT OF FACILITIES ALL ACROSS THE CITY. THAT CONTRACT THAT TOOK PLACE A COUPLE YEARS AGO PROVIDED THE LIST OF FACILITIES THAT WE GET OUR MOST BANG FOR THE BUCK, BASICALLY, IN GETTING ENERGY EFFICIENT PROJECTS IMPLEMENTED INTO THE FACILITIES. THERE'S A LIST OF 37. IT IS IN YOUR AUDIT WHICH YOU HAVE. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. I DIDN'T SEE THE LIST OF 37. THERE'S NOT ONE IN MY DISTRICT. THAT'S DISAPPOINTING. THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILORS, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? THIS IS O-34. WE APPRECIATE THE COUNSEL AND FINANCIAL ADVISORS. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GO TO A VOTE. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED NO. THAT MOTION PASSES. WE'RE GOING TO GO TO APPEALS. THIS IS AC-14. WE'LL READ THAT ALL. UNIVERSITY HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION APPEALS THE EPC DECISION TO APPROVE A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FROM RML TO MXL. I'LL LET OUR STAFF EXPLAIN THE REST. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. COUNCILORS, THE ISSUE IN THIS APPEAL IS ZONE CHANGE FROM RML TO RXL AT HARVARD DRIVE. THIS IS IN DISTRICT SIX SOUTH OF THE BRICK LIGHT DISTRICT. HARVARD AND SILVER. THE SITE CURRENTLY HAS ONE HOUSE AT THE FRONT OF EACH PROPERTY WITH A PAID PARKING LOT BEHIND THEM OF ACCESSORY USE. THE PROPERTIES ARE IN A DESIGNATED AREA OF CONSISTENCY. THE APPLICANT REQUESTED THE ZONE CHANGE TO DEVELOP A COFFEE SHOP, BREAKFAST RESTAURANT AND COMMUNITY GATHERING SPACE. BY THE 4-1 VOTE THE EPC APPROVED THE REQUEST FOR THE ZONE CHANGE. THE UNIVERSITY HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION APPEALED ARGUING THAT THE EPC MISAPPLIED THE COMP PLAN AND THE FINDINGS AND CONCLUSIONS ARE NOT SUPPORTED BY FACT AND THE RORD. THE LAND USE HEARING OFFICER AGREED AND RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY COUNCIL GRANT THE APPEAL AND REVERSE THE EPC DECISION TO APPROVE THE ZONE CHANGE FROM RML TO MXL. THE LU HORBGS -- LUHO FOUND THAT THERE WAS AN ERROR. BY PREPONDERANCE OF POLICIES AND GOALS NOT FIRTHED BY THE ZONE CHANGE AND THE APPLICANT AND EPC FAILED TO SATISFY THE ZONE CHANGE CRITERIA. WITH RESPECT TO THE CRITERIA, THE LUHO FOUND INSTEAD OF ANALYZING THE ZONE CHANGE WOULD CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF CONSISTENCY, IT CONSIDERED WHETHER THE ZONE CHANGE WOULD REINFORCE THE CHARACTER OF THE COMMERCIAL USES IN THE BRICK LIGHT DISTRICT. THE LUHO FOUND EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD SHOWS THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS NOT SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGED. IT HAS BEEN RESIDENTIAL FOR 45 YEARS AND THE PROPOSED ZONE WOULD NOT BE ADVANTAGEOUS TO THE COMMUNITY. AGAIN THE EPC INCORRECTLY FOCUSED ON THE BRICK LIGHT INSTEAD OF THE RESIDENTIAL AREA. FINALLY, THE LUHO FOUND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT THE NEW USES WOULD BE HARMING THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SPECIFICALLY BY ALLOWING THE RESTAURANT WITHIN 10 FEET. AND ALLOWING COMMERCIAL USES TO EXTEND INTO A RESIDENTIAL AREA. THE LUHO CONCLUDED THAT THE EPC ERRORED AND RECOMMEND THE COUNSELM GRANT THE APPEAL AND REVERSE THE APPROVAL AND DENY THE ZONE CHANGE REQUEST. THIS IS ACCEPT OR REJECT. YOU WILL NOT HEAR FROM THE PARTIES. JUST MY SUMMARY AND QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. >>COUN. LEWIS: ALL RIGHT. COUNCILORS, OPEN UP TO THE COUNCIL FOR QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION. I WOULD SAY RIGHT OFF THE BAT, IN READING THIS RECORD THERE'S A LOT THAT IS UNEXPLAINED, I THINK. I THINK IT JUST DESERVES SOME FURTHER EXPLANATION AND DISCUSSION BY BOTH OF THE PARTIES. I THINK SENDING THIS TO A FULL HEARING IS PROBABLY THE MOST APPROPRIATE FOR THIS BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT THE EPC LEFT UNSAID. I THINK THERE'S QUESTIONS FOR THE LUHO I WOULD HAVE. AND ALSO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE APPELLANT AND DEFENDANT TO BE ABLE TO GET A CHANCE TO MAKE THEIR CASE. THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION TO MAKE THAT MOTION. I WON'T MAKE THAT MOTION YET. I WANTED TO SAY THAT RIGHT OFF THE BAT, AND IF THERE'S OTHER DISCUSSION WE'RE OPEN TO OTHER THOUGHTS. I'LL MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO REJECT THE LUHO RECOMMENDATION. THAT'S SECONDED BY COUNCILOR GROUT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES, RAISE YOUR HAND. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. MOTION PASSES ON A 7-2. THAT RESOLVES THAT ITEM. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE RESOLVED THAT ITEM WITH THAT DECISION. WE'RE GOOD? >> I APOLOGIZE, MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HANDLED THAT IN A CORRECT WAY. OKAY. >> WE'LL HAVE A FULL HEARING AT OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING ON THE 19th. SDMRL WE'LL SCHEDULE THAT ON THE 19th FOR A FULL HEARING. WE'RE GOING TO PUBLIC COMMENT. YOU CAN PROVIDE COMMENTS IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY IF THEY SIGNED UP PER THE INSTRUCTIONS PUBLISHED ON THE AGENDA. EACH PARTICIPANT HAS TWRO TWO MINUTES. COMMENTS ARE TO BE ADDRESSED TO THE COUNCILORS ONLY THROUGH THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT, ANY DISRUPTIVE CONDUCT WILL RESULT IN REMOVAL FROM THE MEETING. TWO-MINUTE TIME LIMIT. BELL INDICATES YOUR TIME IS UP. DON'T HAVE TO TAKE THE WHOLE TWO MINUTES. YOU'RE WELCOME TO IT. CALL THE FIRST SPEAKER. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS FRANCESCO FOLLOWED BY TOM. >> ROUTE 66 WAS A MASSIVE UNDERTAKING THAT CONNECTS CHICAGO AT LAKE MICHIGAN AND L.A. AT THE PACIFIC OCEAN. THE STORY IS NOT COMPLETE WHEN WATER AND ART IS NOT PART OF THE CONVERSATION. RIGHT AROUND THE GREAT CHICAGO FIRE WHICH WASN'T THAT GREAT, THE CHICAGO ART PEOPLE AND CHICAGO WORLD'S FAIR PEOPLE GOT TOGETHER AND WENT IN 50-50 AND CREATED THE CHICAGO ART INSTITUTE. AND THAT WAS SORT OF AROUND THE SAME TIME THAT ROUTE 66 BROKE GROUND PRACTICALLY ON THE DOORSTEP OF WHERE THEY HOLD SOME OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL MASTERPIECES WORLD-CLASS. SO, ART IS THE THING THAT BRIDGES THE GREATEST OF THE GREAT LAKES TO THE BEGINNING OF ROUTE 66, GOES ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY THROUGH THE CENTER OF ALBUQUERQUE AT CENTRAL, TO THE PACIFIC OCEAN. SPEAKING OF PUBLIC ART, AND ALBUQUERQUE, I'M HAPPY TO SAY THE ORIGINAL ART TO MY JUSTICE PIECE FOUND HER FOREVER HOME AT CITY HALL. BEAUTIFULLY DISPLAYED ON THE FOURTH FLOOR WHERE CITY LEGAL LIVES. MY DEEP APPRECIATION TO THE ADMINISTRATION, TO THE CITY COUNCIL, FOR KEEPING ART IN YOUR HEART. THANK YOU, ALL. THANK YOU. >> TOM, FOLLOWED BY HEIDI. >> GOOD EVENING, MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCIL MEMBERS. I AM A FOUNDER AND PRESIDENT OF NEW MEXICO HANDGUN ACADEMY. I HAVE BEEN INSTRUCTING AT THE CITY SHOOTING RANGE FACILITY FOR 20 YEARS. HOSTING APPROXIMATELY 3500 STUDENTS OVER THE YEARS. PROBABLY CLOSER TO 4,000 NOW. THE CLASSROOM STARTED WITH THE FACILITIES WITH ONE CLASSROOM. BACK IN THE DAY. WITH STATE FUNDING WAS APPLIED TO THE SHOOTING RANGE AND THE CLASSROOM AND FACILITIES AND THE SHOOTING RANGE SITUATION IMPROVED DRAMATICALLY OUT THERE AFTER THE STATE FUNDING. SINCE THEN, THE FACILITIES HAVE DEGRADED SIGNIFICANTLY IN THE PAST YEARS. IMAGINE IF YOU WILL, APS CLASSROOMS THAT ARE NOT CLEANED, HAVELING FILTH, AND BATHROOMS WITH HIT AND MISS WATER. AND THEY'RE NOT CLEANED. PITURE THAT IN CLASSROOMS OR THE CITY ZOO. I'M ALMOST EMBARRASSED TO THE CITY TO BRING STUDENTS OUT THERE AND HAVE CLASSROOMS OUT THERE. I'M ALSO VERY WORRIED ABOUT THE WELL-BEING OF THE PEOPLE WHO VISIT AND USE THOSE FACILITIES, INCLUDING MYSELF. I HAVE INQUIRED AS TO THE AVAILABILITY -- IT'S VERY HARD TO GET A CLASSROOM OUT THERE BECAUSE THERE'S NOT THAT MANY OUT THERE. I WAS TOLD ALSO APD HAS RESERVED -- RECENTLY STARTED RESERVING THE CLASSROOM MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY AND THE FACILITIES. MY QUESTION IS WHY DID THE RANGE BUDGET THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO YOU INCLUDE THIS INFLUX OF SCOPE TO THE FROM THE CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT USING THIS FACILITY. WHY DOESN'T APD, THEY HAVE A FACILITY OUT THERE, WHY ARE THEIR FACILITIES ADEQUATE ENOUGH? >>COUN. LEWIS: YOU'RE FINE. I THINK WE HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS FOR YOU. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO ASK THE ADMINISTRATION. I'M PRETTY SURE WE DID SOMETHING IN THE BUDGET FOR THE SHOOTING RANGE. CAN YOU GO OVER THAT, PLEASE? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, SHORT OF DAVE SIMON KNOWING OFF THE TOP OF HIS HEAD WHAT WE BUDGETED FOR THE RANGE WE'LL HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU WITH THAT INFORMATION. DAVE, GIVE IT A SHOT. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, WITH YOUR SUPPORT, I BELIEVE ONE OF OUR PRIOR CAPITAL APPROPRIATION INCLUDED A MILLION DOLL FRRZ THE SHOOTING RANGE PARK. THOSE ARE CAPITAL DOLLARS. AND WE HAVE DESIGNED AND SCOPED A PROJECT TO UP GRADE THE TWO MAJOR CLASSROOM BUILDINGS AT THE RANGE. THAT PROJECT WAS RECENTLY PRICED. AND WE'RE WORKING WITH THE CONTRACTOR TO FINALIZE THE DETAILS ON THAT PROJECT. WE WOULD EXPECT IT TO BEGIN THIS LATE SUMMER OR FALL. THOSE WOULD BE SOME UPGRADES TO THE CLASSROOM BUILDINGS. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. SIMON. KEEP ME IN THE LOOP, I'LL MAKE SURE TO KEEP THINGS WORKING. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. HOW IS THE CELL PHONE SERVICE OUT THERE? >> NON-EXISTENT. IF YOU GO INTO THE SHOOTING AREA OR EVEN IN THE CLASSROOM, ZERO BARS. >>COUN. GROUT: WHAT ABOUT THE -- YOU WERE TOLD WERE CONSTRUCTED? >> THERE'S A DEMAND SIGNAL NOT BEING MET. MY UNDERSTANDING IS TALKING TO THE FACILITY FOLKS OUT THERE THAT THERE WERE MORE BURNS PLANNED AND UNDER CONSTRUCTION BUT THOSE PROJECTS CEASED. I BELIEVE YOU WOULD HAVE TO CHECK WITH THEM. BUT I WAS TOLD THERE WERE SHARDS OUT THERE. >>COUN. GROUT: AND THEN, HOW IS IT TO WORK WITH THE STAFF OUT THERE? >> THE STAFF IS GREAT. THEY'RE VERY PROFESSIONAL. VERY EASY TO WORK WITH. GOOD PEOPLE. THEY WANT TO DO A GOOD JOB. VERY HELPFUL. JUST QUESTION IF THERE'S ENOUGH FOR THE AMOUNT OF USAGE THAT FACILITY GETS. IT'S OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE WITH THE DUST BLOWING AND SHEDS AND IT GETS DIRTY AND HARD TO KEEP THEM CLEAN. SO IS THE STAFFING ADEQUATE. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. MR. SIMON, I'D LIKE TO BE KEPT IN THE LOOP. I TALKED ABOUT PHONE SERVICE. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE IN TIMES OF EMERGENCY OR IF THERE'S HEATSTROKE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. THANK YOU, TOMASSI. >> IF I MIGHT JUST ADD. THE UP GRADES TO THE WIRELESS SERVICE AND PHONE SERVICE ARE INCLUDED IN THE PROJECT WORK. >>COUN. GROUT: GLAD TO HEAR THAT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU, SIR. >> UP NEXT, WE HAVE HEIDI FOLLOWED BY ANDY. >> GOOD EVENING, I'M THE OWNER OF S&H CONSTRUCTION A FIREARMS TRAINING ACADEMY. I AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS MADE. I WOULD LIKE TO ADD ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. I'VE BEEN TEACHING AT THE RANGE FOR OVER 14 YEARS. TO DATE I'VE TAUGHT OVER 3200 LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS TO BE SAFE AND RESPONSIBLE FIREARMS OWNERS. THE CLASSROOMS AND RANGE REPRESENT MY BUSINESS AND THEY'RE A SOURCE OF EMBARRASSMENT AT THIS POINT. THEY'RE FAR FROM CLEAN AND DO NOT PROJECT A PROFESSIONAL IMAGE FOR MY COMPANY OR THE CITY FOR THAT MATTER. THE HEATING AND COOLING SYSTEMS ARE BARELY FUNCTIONING AND THE RESTROOMS ARE OUT OF ORDER ON A REGULAR BASIS. WE'RE LEFT WITH UNCOMFORTABLE TEMPERATURES, LOW RUNNING WATERS AND PORT APOTTIES NOT ACCESSIBLE. I CONDUCTED A CLASS YESTERDAY, FOR EXAMPLE I PAID OVER $232 IN FEES TO THE CITY. THE CLASSROOM WAS FILTHY. I HAD 36 STUDENTS THAT HAD TO STAND OUTSIDE AND USE ONE PORT-A-POTTY THAT WAS NOT HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBLE. THERE'S NO WIFI OR CELL SERVICE. WHICH CREATES AN INCREDIBLY UNSAFE SITUATION. SHOULD SOMEONE SUFFER FROM HEART ATTACK OR HEATSTROKE OR ACCIDENTAL DISCHARGE THERE'S UNDUE DELAYS IN OBTAININGING EMERGENCY SERVICES. AT THIS POINT WE WOULD HAVE TO PUT SOMEONE IN A CAR AND SEND THEM DOWN THE ROAD UNTIL THEY CAN FIND CELL SERVICE TO CALL 911. THIS CAN COST SOMEONE THEIR LIFE. THERE'S NO EXCUSE FOR THIS UNSAFE SITUATION. THE CITY PLAYS A VITAL ROLE IN PROVIDING SAFE LOCATION FOR SHOOTING ACTIVITIES AND THE PUBLIC AND RANGE STAFF DESERVE ADEQUATE SPACE AND CLEAN FACILITIES AND I HOPE THIS COUNCIL WILL LOOK INTO THIS THANK YOU. >> ANDY, FOLLOWED BY LISA. >> GOOD EVENING, I HAVE SOME COPIES. I'D LIKE TO HAND THEM TO YOU. I'M GOING TO ECHO EXACTLY WHAT THE LAST TWO HAVE SAID. I AM WITH PRACTICAL DEFENSE TRAINING. I'VE BEEN TRAINING FOR TEN YEARS AT THE SHOOTING RANGE PARK. THROUGH TO THE YEARS I NOTED DEGRADATION ON THE FACILITY. WE PAY $200 FOR RENTAL FEES. I DIRECT YOU TO THE PICTURES FOR THE EXAMPLES. FLOORS, DIRT, TABLES AND DIRTY, FULL TRASH BA CANS, MOUSE DROPPINGS, DRIED MOUSE URINE. DIRTY HAND SOAP, PAPER TOWELS AND TOILET PAPER, I ASKED THE SWAMP COOLERS ARE IN WORKING ORD. I'M AN AP TECH, AND I FOUND MYSELF TAKING COOLERS APART TO GET THEM PROPERLY WORKING. I CAN PROVIDE MORE DETAILS OF HOW I GET THEM RUNNING IF YOU LIKE. THESE CLASSROOMS REPRESENT THE BUSINESS AND PROVIDE SOME EMBARRASSMENT. WHILE WE FOCUS EVERYONE IS SAFE, WE HAVE CONCERN FOR THE STUDENTS WELL BEING AND OURSELVES FROM HEAT RELATED ISSUES AND SICKNESS FROM THE UNSANITARY CONDITIONS. I SENT EMAILS TO THE MANAGEMENT AND THE RESPONSE IS APD USING THE CLASSROOMS AND THEY DO NOT CLEAN UP AFTER THEMSELVES. I'VE BEEN TOLD STAFFING IS AN ISSUE WITH ONLY SIX EMPLOYEES AND THEY MUST MAINTAIN SAFETY OF THE SHOOTING RANGE AND DO NOT HAVE THE RESOURCES TO CLEAN UP AFTER APD. I ASK THE COUNCIL TO INVESTIGATE THE DETAILS AS TO WHO IT IS IS THAT THOSE CLASSROOMS ARE CLEAN. IF WE MUST PAY FOR THESE FACILITIES WE EXPECT THEM TO BE CLEAN, SAFE AND SANITARY. IF THE CITY CANNOT PROVIDE STAFFING OR COMMITMENT TO PROVIDE CLEAN UP FOR THE ROOMS, I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULDN'T PAY FOR RENTALES AND WE CAN CLEAN UP OUR CLASSROOMS OURSELF. THANK YOU. >> LISA FOLLOWED BY EMRY. HENRY FOLLOWED BY COURTNEY. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS. THANK YOU FOR HOLDING THIS SPACE FOR US AS COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO SPEAK TO YOU. I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT FOR MY NEIGHBORS WHO ARE UNSHELTERED AND SURVIVING ON THE STREETS. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT MY LOVE AND ADMIRATION OF THE HUMAN SPIRIT THAT REMAINS WITHIN OUR NEIGHBORS DESPITE HEAT ADVISORY AND DESPITE BEING CRIMINALIZED. IN OTHER WORDS BEING HUMAN. THIS DEFINITION FROM THE WEB, FORCE DISPLACEMENT MEANS FORCE RELOCATION IS AN INVOLUNTARY MOVEMENT OF A PERSON OR PEOPLE AWAY FROM THE HOME OR HOME REGION. THE UN DEFINES -- PERSECUTION, CONFLICT, GENERALED LNT -- ASKS THEM TO MOVE IS A PRACTICE THAT OUR OWN GOVERNOR IS WORKING ON PERFECTING. OUR CITY DISPLACES PEOPLE AND MOBILIZING POLICE FORCE AGAINST UNSHELTERED FOLKS. WHEN YOU LOOK AT CRIME STATISTICS YOU MAY BE LOOKING AT A SKEWED REPORTING. WHAT'S INTERESTING HE IS THE CITY WEAPONIZED POLICE NEARLY 6,000 TIMES SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE CALENDAR YEAR AGAINST YOUR NEIGHBORS. THEY LOSE DIGNITY AND RESPECT FROM FELLOW HUMANS. THEY HAVE THEIR BIRTH CERTIFICATE, SOCIAL SECURITY, AND ELECTRONICS. OVER HALF REPORT COPS STOLEN PRESCRIPTION MEDICATION FROM THEM. DURING A QUOTE FROM ALBUQUERQUE HARM REDUCTION NON-PROFIT NEIGHBORS WERE A VICTIM OF A SWEEP IN JULY. I WAS TOLD TO GRAB MY MOST VALUABLE POSITIONS AND THEY HAD TAKEN MY CART AND TOLD ME WHAT I ASK AND CANNOT HAVE. MY PHONE WAS THROWN AWAY AND I WAS NOT ABLE TO REACH FOR THEM. -- I WANTED TO SHARE THE CONCERNED XHALITY MEMBER MY DESIRE FOR THOSE IN THE CITY COUNCIL TO EXAMINE HOW PEOPLE -- I'M SORRY. HOW PEOPLE INSIDE THE ORGANIZATIONS HAVE BEEN WORKING TO WEAPONIZE THE LAW ENFORCEMENT BRANCHES AGAINST UNSHELTERED NEIGHBORS. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU. IF YOU'RE NEXT TO SPEAK, YOU'RE WELCOME TO SIT IN THE FRONT ROW. YOU CAN'T STAND IN THE AISLE. >> COURTNEY FOLLOWED BY MAMA. >> THANK YOU. I'M WITH -- NEW MEXICO. ON JUNE 28 THE SUPREME COURT MADE THE DECISION TO CRIMINALIZE UNHOUSED COMMUNITIES IN GRANTS PASS BY UPHOLDING ORDINANCES THAT PROHIBIT PEOPLE FROM SLEEPING WITHIN CITY LIMITS THEY RULED IT'S NOT A VIOLATION OF EIGHTH AMENDMENT PROTECTIONS AGAINST CRUEL AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT. TIM KELLER SIGNED ON TO THIS. IT'S SHAMEFUL. WE'VE SEEN FIRST-HAND HOW LAW ENFORCEMENTS ENGAGES WITH UNHOUSED COMMUNITY. AND WE'VE SEEN THE HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES AT MDC. OUR CITY HAS A LEGACY OF POLICE BRUTALITY AND VIOLENCE. KELLER WAS INSTRUMENTAL OF THE -- FEDERAL COURT ORDER PROHIBITING IT FROM DESTROYING PEOPLE'S POSSESSIONS WITHOUT A PROPER OPTION TO STORE THEM. HAD A SHAMEFUL PRESS RELEASE THAT CORONADO WAS TOO DANGEROUS FOR COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO ENJOY THE PARK AND STATED IT NEEDED TO BE CLEARED. I PASSED BY LAST FRIDAY AND SAW ALL OF THE TREES HAVE BEEN CUT DOWN. THE PARK IS NOT RESTORES. KELLER STATED THAT HOUSING WOULD BE PRIORITIZED, YET THE CITY CUT MILLIONS FROM PROGRAMS IN A NEW FISCAL YEAR LEAVING HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE AT RISK OF NOT HAVING HOUSING AND DOZENS OF ORGANIZATIONS ARE SCRAMBLING TO KEEP PEOPLE HOUSED. SEE THE TERM CLEAN UP OUR STREETS THROWN AROUND, OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS AREN'T TRASH TO BE DISPOSED OF. THIS IS SHAMEFUL. THE DISPLACEMENT OF POOR POPULATIONICIZE THE GOAL. AND IT'S CRYSTAL CLEAR TO SEE. THIS IS A WAR ON THE SPOOR. SPEAR-HEADED BY FEDERAL, STATE, CITY OFFICIALS. KELLER PRAISED THE SWEEPS OF CALIFORNIA DONE BY THE GOVERNOR PROPOSING SIMILAR ACTIONS THROUGH EXECUTIVE ORDER TO SWEEP ENCAMPMENTS. THIS IS SHAMEFUL. FACE IT WORKING CLASS COMMUNITIES FACE BEING UNHOUSED DUE TO INFLATION AND LACK OF JOBS. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU. >> MAMA FOLLOWED BY YAT. >> I'M -- MY COUSIN IS RETIRED CHIEF OF POLICE WHO PASSED AWAY RECENTLY. FRANK TAYLOR. CHIEF OF POLICE FOR THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO. MY OTHER COUSIN IS JAMES TAYLOR. I COME FROM A LAW ENFORCEMENT AND LEGAL FAMILY. I HAVE WORKED NOT ONLY FOR THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE AND THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY FOR TWO OFFICIAL Q CLEARANCES. IN 2017 I CAME TO ALBUQUERQUE AND CHOSE TO BE HOMELESS. BECAUSE I COME FROM AN ABUSIVE FAMILY. I AM TIRED OF THIS CITY CALLING ME AS YOU SAID UNFORTUNATE. THE SITUATION IS VERY UNFORTUNATE. I'VE BEEN HOUSED WITH HEADING HOME FOR A YEAR. IT'S BEEN A FIASKO. THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FUNDING. MY DAUGHTER IS COUCH SURFING AND LOST IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. WHEN I ASKED WHY THEY COULDN'T FUND HER THEY SAID THEY DIDN'T HAVE MONEY FOR HER. WHEN I FOUND OUT THERE'S $8 MILLION SITTING THERE UNTOUCH, I'M APPALLED. I WENT TO THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND I MET WITH LIAISON ON MONDAY AND TOLD THEM MY ONLY RESOURCE IS TO FILE A TOWARD CLAIM AGAINST THE CITY SO I CAN HOUSE MY DAUGHTER AND SHE SAID LET ME GET YOU THE PAPERWORK. MY BEST FRIEND HAS BEEN MISSING SINCE SEPTEMBER, THESE ARE THE WOMEN OF CENTRAL AVENUE. NOW THAT MEL GIBSON AND 50 CENT ABOUT THE BONEYARD IT'S BRINGING ATTENTION THAT THE MEXICAN MAFIA RUNS THE CITY, NOT THE COPS, NOT YOU GUYS. I'M TIRED OF BEING OUT THERE ON CENTRAL AVENUE THAT I LOVE PASSIONATELY AS AN ARTIST I'VE GOT CONTRACT WORK WITH THE CITY TO DO ART WORK AND I PLAN TO UTILIZE THAT BUT BECAUSE I HIRED THE HOMELESS YOU SENT OUT A SQUAD CAR AND SIX HOURS LATER THEY SAID YOU POOR THING. WHAT ABOUT MY ROBBERY AND SHOOTING IN YOUR CITY. 23 TIMES HE WAS ROBBED AND SHOT. 23 TIMES. EVERYBODY IS STEALING THE MONEY. >> UP NEXT. >>COUN. LEWIS: OUR RULES OF DECORUM. WE DON'T ALLOW CLAPPING. WE WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL OF ALL THE SPEAKERS AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE ALL HEARD AND HAVE TIME TO HEAR EVERYBODY. >> UP NEXT, WE HAVE YATZE PENDING. >> I'M FROM SHIPROCK. I COME HERE TODAY TO SPEAK ALSO ON THIS ISSUE OF HOMELESSNESS FACING 50% IN THE LAST TWO YEARS. I MYSELF AM HOMELESS. I'M 21 YEARS OLD. I DO ADVOCACY WORK WITH THE CENTER OF NEW MEXICO YOUTH AND YUCCA. IT IS ALSO APPALLING TO ME THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT OUR COMMUNITY DOES FOR OURSELVES WITH NO MONEY, NO HOUSING, NO CARS, MAYBE A CART THAT WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TAKE ON THE BUS TO GET GROCERIES HOME. WE CAN'T GET OUR PETS TO THE VET ON THE BUS. EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE WE'LL HAVE A DRIVER THAT ALLOWS US TO BREAK THE RULES AT THE EXPENSE OF THEM MAYBE LOSING THEIR JOBS OR WE GET BERATED AND TOLD THAT WE CANNOT CARE FOR YOU. YOU MUST GET OFF. YOU ARE A DISTURBANCE. YOU ARE AN INCONVENIENCE. AS SOMEBODY THAT DOESN'T HAVE FAMILY THAT CAN SUPPORT ME HERE AND TO SEE MONEY NOT BEING USED, OR UTILIZED, MONEY BEING PUT TOWARD -- MONEY FOR THE BUDGETS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT PUTTING WORK BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY. IT MAKES ME QUESTION WHAT YOU THINK COMMUNITY IS. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW AS I SEE IT, YOU PUT AID GROUPS ON THE GROUND, GRASSROOTS ARE DOING THE MOST WORK AND HAVE THE LEAST RECOGNITION. NEW MEXICO HAS THE MOST NON-PROFITS IN ANY STATE IN THE U.S. AND YET OUR HOMELESS POPULATION IS GROWING ASTRONOMICALLY. OUR DRUG ABUSE POPULATIONS ARE GROWING. AND THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE. THESE ARE NOT ISSUES THAT ARE INDEPENDENT FROM OTHER THINGS. THEY ARE ALL INTERSECTIONAL. MY TWO PARENTS WHO WERE COPS DID NOT GET SUPPORTED BY THEIR DEPARTMENT. MY TWO MOTHER PARENTS ARE NOT SUPPORTED BY THEIR DEPARTMENT. BECAUSE OF THIS MY PARENTS ARE NOW PASSED AWAY BECAUSE OF THE NEGLIGENCE OF THESE SYSTEMS IN NEW MEXICO. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU. >> ANAMI FOLLOWED BY ISAAC. >> HI. SO, THE HUMAN RIGHTS BOARD HAD ITS HEARING ON ANTI- HOMELESS SENTIMENT AND DISCRIMINATION BASED ON HOUSING STATUS ON JUNE 22nd. WE DISCUSSED PRELIMINARY FINDINGS ON JULY 18th. AND IN ORDER TO OFFER THE CITY A RESPONSE TO WHAT WAS SAID DURING THE HEARING, I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE ALL OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, ANYONE FROM THE ADMINISTRATION, ANYONE FROM CITY LEGAL WHO WANTS TO BE THERE, AN INVITATION. IT WILL BE ON AUGUST 15th HERE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT 5 P.M. ONE MORE TIME, NEXT THURSDAY, AUGUST 15th THE HUMAN RIGHTS BOARD WILL BE MEETING IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT 5 P.M. TO DISCUSS FINDING FROM THE PUBLIC HEARING BACK IN JUNE. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU. >> ISAAC FOLLOWED BY ZOE. >> ISAAC IS A FRIEND OF MINE. I'M GOING TO SPEAK IN HIS PLACE. I'M GOING TO FINISH MY PARAGRAPH FROM BEFORE. I WANT TO RESTATE IT. >>COUN. LEWIS: I'LL GIVE YOU A MINUTE. YOU CAN'T REPLACE SOMEBODY WHOSE NOT HERE TO SPEAK. I'LL GIVE YOU A MINUTE TO FINISH. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR GRACIOUSNESS. I -- SUPPORTING GOVERNING BODY TO EXAMINE HOW PEOPLE INSIDE OF THE ORGANIZATIONS HAVE BEEN WORKING TO WEAPONIZE THE CITY LAW IF ENFORCEMENT BRANCHES AGAINST UNSHELTERED NEIGHBORS. HOW EXPENSIVE IT IS TO PROVIDE THE SWEEPS AND HOW WE CAN USE FUNDS TO SUPPORT NEIGHBORS. THEY WORK AGAINST SECURING OUR CITY BECAUSE THEY'RE CAUSING VIOLENCE. THERE WERE ALSO CONCERNS BASED EARLIER OVER A MISSING DOG. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>COUN. LEWIS: ALL RIGHT, THANKS. >> ZOE FOLLOWED BY IAN. >>COUN. LEWIS: IF YOU HEAR YOUR NAME, YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME UP AND SIT IN THE FRONT ROW IF YOU'RE NEXT UP TO SPEAK. WHO IS THE SPEAKER AFTER THIS? >> IAN FOLLOWED BY THOMAS. >> ALL RIGHT. I CAME HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING MORE BROADLY. IT'S OBVIOUS AFTER WHAT WE HEARD EARLIER TODAY THAT THE CITY IS NOT DOING ITS JOB. IT'S APPALLING AND UNACCEPTABLE FOR THE CITY TO UNDERSPEND FOR TWO YEARS AND TAKE FOUR MILLION DOLLARS FOR HOUSING VOUCHERS. GIVEN HOW MANY ARE STRUGGLING TO FIND HOUSING. HOUSING ARE OUTCASING WAGES AND CONSTRUCTION IS NOT KEEPING UP AT ALL WITH JOB GROWTH OR POPULATION GROWTH. I ALSO WANT TO BRING UP THE AMENDMENT YOU REJECTED AND SAY I HOPE YOU PROPOSE AN ALTERNATIVE ZONING REFORM BECAUSE WE NEED MORE HOUSING. WE NEED TO INVEST OF COMMUNITIES. THERE'S SO MANY PROBLEMS IN OUR STREETS AND WE REALLY NEED TO INVEST BACK. IT BOTHERS ME SO MUCH TO SEE WHAT HAS HAPPENED WITH THE VOUCHER SITUATION. PLEASE ENSURE THAT IN THE BUDGET PROCESS NEXT YEAR WE HAVE A FULL APPROPRIATION OF MORE MONEY THAN LAST YEAR. THANK YOU. I'LL END THERE. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANKS. >> THOMAS FOLLOWED BY CHRISTOPHER. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I FEEL EMBARRASSED. I CAME TO SPEAK ABOUT THE SUPREME COURT RULING. AND SOME OF THE YOUNG PEOPLE BEAT ME TO IT. AS A YOUNG PEOPLE I EXPERIENCED HOMELESSNESS. YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS HELPLESS TALKING ABOUT THIS SUBJECT TO I FEEL LIKE A GROUP THAT DOESN'T QUITE HAVE THE RESOURCES THEY EVEN NEED TO HELP THINGS. IT TOOK ME MORE PAIN AND MORE TIME THAN I WANTED TO ENDURE TO CONVINCE ME THAT HOUSING IS A HUMAN RIGHT. I KNOW I CAN'T CONVINCE YOU OF THAT THIS EVENING. MAYBE WHAT I CAN HELP IS HELP CHANGING THE LANGUAGE YOU USE. I SUGGEST YOU DO SOMETHING THAT WE DO AT ROAD RUNNING FOOD BANK, WE REFER TO THEM AS YOUR NEIGHBORS. IF YOU'RE ANYTHING LIKE ME YOU MIGHT UNDERSTAND THAT BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR MEANS A LOT. IT MEANS YOU TREAT THEM WITH COMPASSION, IT MEANS YOU TREAT THEM WITH PATIENCE AND RESPECT. THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE EXPRESSED. WE DON'T SEE THAT WHEN THEY ENGAGE WITH THE HOMELESS. IT BREAKS MY HEART. IF I HEARD CITY COUNCILLORS CALLING THE HOMELESS POPULATION OUR NEIGHBORS, I DON'T THINK I WOULD SEE THE BRUTALITY SHOWN TOWARD THEM. I HAVE A QUESTION TO SUPPOSE TO THIS COUNCIL, IF YOU DON'T BELIEVER HOUSING IS A HUMAN RIGHT, ARE YOU PREPARED TO TELL YOUR FUTURE GENERATION THAT ALL OF THE LAND HAS BEEN BOUGHT UP ON URTH, THERE'S A LOT OF LAND OWNED BUT NONE OF IT IS YOURS. WE ALL HAVE A PLACE ON THIS EARTH, AND IT'S NOT EASY -- YOU SUGGESTED WE CAN SOLVE HOMELESSNESS WITH A LITTLE OVER $15 MILLION. IF YOU MADE THAT YOUR PLATFORM, I'D TELL PEOPLE TO VOTE FOR YOU. I THINK WE CAN GET THOSE RESOURCES. I HOPE WE CAN AND DO THAT FOR OURICATE. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU SO MUCH. I DON'T THINK THAT WAS THE CONTEXT OF WHAT I SAID. IF WE COULD DO THAT, WE WOULD PUT EVERY PIT -- BIT OF MONEY WE CAN. >> CHRISTOPHER FOLLOWED BY SIMON. >> GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL, I LIVE IN DISTRICT THREE WEST SIDE. I WANT TO THANK CITY COUNCILLORS THAT ATTENDED THE TOWN HALL ON CRIME. COUNCILOR BACA, COUNCILOR ROGERS, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, AND COUNCILOR CHAMPINE FOR TAKING TIME TO BE THERE AND LISTENING TO THE ISSUES OF THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IC24-1 CHANGING THE VOTE TO GET ELECTED FROM 50% TO 40%. NO RUNOFF ELECTIONS. AS I SAID ON JUNE 16th THAT THE MAYOR WOULD VETO AND HE DID. I'M HERE TO SPEAK NOT BECAUSE I WANT TO BE HERE BUT I'M PASSIONED ABOUT YOUR DEMOCRACY. ALL THE SPEAKERS ON JUNE 17th CRITICIZED THE CHANGED, YET IT FELL ON DEAF EARS. WHAT'S THE CHANGE? YOU HAVE YOUR PERSONAL AGENDA AND DON'T GIVE A CRAP ABOUT WHAT SPEAKERS HAVE TO SAY. YOU'RE BUSY ON YOUR CELL PHONES OR DISRESPECTFUL. WHEN YOU VOTE TO OVERRIDE TONIGHT I'M 100% SURE THE VOTERS WILL VOTE IT DOWN IN A LANDSLIDE. THE VOTERS WILL HAVE THEIR SAY ON NOVEMBER 5th. I'M SO GLAD THE CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT ONE, THREE, FIVE, SEVEN, NINE WILL BE UP FOR REELECTION IN 2025. I'LL MAKE IT MY PERSONAL MISSION TO INFORM THE VOTERS. AND I WILL RUN FOR DISTRICT THREE CITY COUNCIL IN 2025. I PLAN TO WIN THIS TIME. I SENT TWO EMAILS TO CITY COUNCILLORS, THANK YOU, COUNCILOR LEWIS FOR YOUR REPLY. EVEN IF WE AGREE TO DISAGREE. FOR DISTRICT THREE, I APPRECIATE A RESPONSE TO MY EMAIL. I'M PROUD TO BE GOING TO THE DNC IN CHICAGO AND LET MY FEELINGS KNOWN TO EVERYONE THAT'S THERE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> SIMON FOLLOWED BY RALPH. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. I'VE BEEN LIVING IN ALBUQUERQUE FOR 50 YEARS WHILE NEW MEXICO WAS MAJORITY OF THE TIME ALBUQUERQUE. I TOLD MYSELF IN THE EARLY 80s THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE LIKE INDIA. AND IT HAS. IT'S BEEN MOST UNFORTUNATE. I'VE WORKED WITH THE ALBUQUERQUE HOUSING AUTHORITY. I WORKED IN UNM HEALTH ON SAN PABLO. I'VE BEEN ALL OVER THE CITY. AND WHAT HAS BEEN GOING ON, ESPECIALLY SINCE 2008, IT'S A TRAGEDY. AND IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED NOT ONLY HERE IN OUR CITY, BUT ALL OVER THIS COUNTRY. AND THERE HAS TO BE A UNIFORM PROCESS. SO IT'S ALL DONE THE SAME EVERYWHERE. THESE PEOPLE IN THE STREET NEED TO BE EVALUATED. IF THEY HAVE ALCOHOL, DRUG OR MENTAL OR EMOTIONAL. I'M AFRAID WHEN I DRIVE DOWN THE STREETS THAT I'M GOING TO RUN SOMEBODY OVER BECAUSE THEY'RE HAVING AN EMOTIONAL DISTURBANCE. AND I THINK THIS IS A TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE THING THAT'S HAPPENED. I BELIEVE THIS IS ALL HOPEFULLY SOLVABLE. I HAVE A FRIEND IN THE WELLS PARK NEIGHBORHOOD. IT TOOK THEM TWO YEARS TO SHUT DOWN A CRACK HOUSE. I'M THINKING IF IT TOOK TWO YEARS TO GET RID OF A PROBLEM, HOW MANY YEARS IS IT GOING TO TAKE TO SOLVE 3,000 INDIVIDUAL PROBLEMS HERE IN ALBUQUERQUE AT THE MOMENT? 6,000 YEARS OF GOVERNMENT TIME. WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING. I THINK COUNCIL SHOULD -- AND THIS ADMINISTRATION AND THE STATE AND THE FEDS SHOULD COME UP WITH SOME TYPE OF WORKABLE PLAN. THANK YOU. >> RALPH FOLLOWED BY BRUCE. BRUCE FOLLOWED BY ASHLEY. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCIL MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR THE ABOUT TO SHARE MY THOUGHTS WITH YOU TODAY. I APPEAR IN THIS MEETING AS THE CAPACITY AS MANAGING FOR THE SHOPPING CENTER AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF EUBANK AND CONSTITUTION. WE'VE OWNED THE SHOPPING CENTER FOR 27 YEARS. AND IT HAS A MIX OF USERS FROM MAJOR SUCH AS FAMILY DOLLAR TO AUTOZONE AND PLANET FITNESS AND MANY LOCAL MERCHANTS SUCH AS TOMMY BARBERSHOP AND CHINESE. I COME HERE REPRESENTING -- I COME HERE NOT REPRESENTING THE FINANCIAL INTERESTS OF MYSELF OR MY PARTNERS, I'M HERE THIS EVENING ON BEHALF OF OUR MERCHANTS. FROM OUR NATIONAL AS WELL AS FROM OUR LOCAL NOMAND POP BUSINESSES. THE CENTER WHICH AS YOU KNOW IS IN A STABLE MIDDLE CLASS NEIGHBORHOOD IS UNDER ATTACK. ABOUT 20 MONTHS AGO IN ONE OF MANY ARMED ROBBERYINGS A STORE CLERK NARROWLY ESCAPED DEATH WHEN A ROBBER JAMMED A GUN INTO HIS TEMPLE BUT THE WEAPON FAILED TO FIRE. VANDALS REPEATEDLY DEFACED OUR EXTERIORS, BURGLARS HAVE DONE OVER $30,000 IN WINDOW DAMAGE TRYING TO GAIN ACCESS TO BUSINESSES OVER THE PAST YEARS. AND PLUS MORE DUE TO VANDALLISM. WITH THE PRICE OF COPPER OVER $5 A POUND, OUR MERCHANTS REPLACED NEARLY 200 POUNDS OF COPPER CABLE, MANY LARGE AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEMS WHICH WERE STRIPPED CLEAN. AS LONG AS WE WERE FORCED TO INCREASE PATROLS WHICH COMES AT A COST TO RETAILERS, THIS YEAR ALMOST $50,000 FOR THE SINGLE SHOPPING CENTER. OUR MERCHANTS APPRECIATE THE SACRIFICE OF ALBUQUERQUE POLICE OFFICERS. BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE, THE MERCHANTS PAY HIGH CRIME TAX AND THEY DO SO FOR DOING BUSINESS IN ALBUQUERQUE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION. >> ASHLEY FOLLOWED BY CARTER. >> GOOD EVENING, MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS. I'M WITH THE NEW MEXICO FEDERATION OF AFL AND CIO. I JUST WANT TO RESPECTFULLY ASK THE COUNCIL TO UPHOLD THE MAYOR'S VETO WITH RELATED MEASURES P-24-1, AND R-24-47. THE LABOR COMMUNITY, THE ORGANIZED LABOR COMMUNITY STANDS TO PARTNER WITH YOU ON VOTER ACCESS EXPANSION, VOTER TURNOUT, IDEAS AND ENGAGEMENT. AND IN THE SPIRIT OF UNITY AND COLLABORATION AND OUR COMMITMENT TO YOU ALL, MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, ALL OF YOU ARE INVITED TO THE 15th ANNUAL LABOR DAY PICNIC ON MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 2nd FROM 10 A.M. TO 2 P.M. AT BALLOON FIESTA PARK. THAT GOES FOR THE STAFF AND GENERAL PUBLIC AS WELL. THANK YOU. >> CARTER FOLLOWED BY RUDOLPH. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, THANK YOU FOR RAISING THE ISSUE OF BETTER TURNOUT IN THE ELECTIONS. I THINK THE PROPONENTS RAISED VALID POINTS. HAVING SAID THAT WE THINK THE BEST SOLUTION FOR THIS IS NOT TO ELIMINATE RUNOFFS OR LOWER THE THRESHOLD TO 50%. NEARLY EVERY -- HAS ONE METHOD OR ANOTHER OF NARROWING THE FIELD OF CANDIDATES SO WE END UP ALMOST EVERY TIME WITH A MAJORITY OF VOTERS SUPPORTING THE WINNER. WE RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU NOT MAKE ALBUQUERQUE AN OUTLIER FROM NEW MEXICO AND THE SOUTHWEST AND IN THE COUNTRY AND PROTECT OUR 50% THRESHOLD IN THAT WAY. FINALLY, AFSME REPRESENTS THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN THE CITY AND 1.6 MILLION NATIONALLY WHICH GIVES US THE ABILITY, WE HAVE A GREAT RESEARCH DEPARTMENT, WE FACE ISSUES LIKE THIS SOMETIMES AROUND THE COUNTRY. WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN TRYING TO DRIVE TURNOUT FOR ALL MEMBERS AND CITIZENS REGARDLESS OF PARTY AFFILIATION. WE EAGERLY LOOK FORWARD TO PARTNERING WITH YOU TO FIND WAYS TO DRIVE AND IMPROVE VOTER TURNOUT. LAST COMMENT, FROM MY FRIENDS AT THE ALBUQUERQUE JOURNAL, I HOPE YOU HAD A GREAT COUPLE OF WEEKS WATCHING THE OLYMPICS AND SEEING THEIR HEATS AND TRIALS AND PRELIMINARIES BEFORE THE FINAL RACE. WE SHOULDN'T MODEL THEM AFTER SPORTS, BUT IN CASE THE PEOPLE AT THE JOURNAL THINK YOU ONLY ONE ONCE, BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I APPRECIATE IT. >> RUDOLPH FOLLOWED BY FLORA. >> THIS IS THING WORKING? COUNCILOR LEWIS, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, FOR 20 YEARS I LIVED IN HOUSTON. TO BE HERE UNTIL 2 O'CLOCK IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DO RETHINK AND MAYBE WE CAN GO ON FRIDAY PLANS. THE SAME CHANNELS THAT WORK IN VIAGRA WORK IN PTSD. IT'S THE SAME THING. IT'S LIKE AN ERECTION IN YOUR BRAIN. IT CAN SAVE US EIGHT YEARS OF TREATMENT OF VICTIMS THAT SUFFER FROM THIS. THIS IS THE RESEARCH WE DO WITH THE -- THE CITY DOESN'T WANT TO -- AND DOESN'T THINK THAT PUTTING A MAN IN A TRAILER IS SOMETHING SAFER THAN THE STREET. HOW CAN IT BE SAFER ON THE STREET THAN IN A TRAILER? WE HAVE 2,000 SERIAL KILLERS HUNTING HOMELESS MEN. 650 ARE TRUCKERS. WE'RE AFTER THEM. THE CAMERAS CAN CREATE JOBS AND HELP OUR INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES TO REDUCE THIS TRAGEDY THAT IS FOUR DIMENSIONAL. WE NEED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS. I NEED SUPPORT WITH THAT. AND IT'S HARD TO STAY UP UNTIL 2O CLOCK. WE HAVE TO THINK EITHER FRIDAY FOR ALL THESE PEOPLE TO WORK THE WEEK OR WE HAVE TO THINK A MEETING EVERY WEEK. SOMETHING THAT IS MORE FRAR -- FAIR FOR THE PEOPLE AND PERSONS LIKE ME THAT HAVE TO GO TO SLEEP. THANK YOU. >> FLORA, FOLLOWED BY NATHAN. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. FIRST, I STAND IN SOLIDARITY WITH OUR NEIGHBORS. THAT'S A GREAT WORD. I WILL START USING IT. HELLO, COUNCILORS, COUNCILOR LEWIS, I FEEL SO SILLY COMING UPRIGHT NOW BECAUSE I FEEL THE NEED AND THE SADNESS IN THIS ROOM. AND I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING AT THE OTHER END, THE ARTS. AND THE ARTS AND HUMANITY GO HAND AND HAND. THAT'S WHERE I'LL STICK IT -- I'LL STICK WITH. I'M ONE OF THE EAGER ARTISTS WAITING FOR THE VISITOR CENTER TO OPEN. I FOLLOWED CHEERED AND ENCOURAGED OTHERS TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND REMEMBER THE BEAUTY AND PRIDE IS WHAT MAKES SOUTH VALLEY SO SPECIAL. THAT IS WHAT THE CENTER REPRESENTS. BEAUTY, AND PRIDE. I READ A VERY LOP-SIDED ARTICLE THIS WEEKEND. AND IT WAS PENNED BY RETIRED CITY COUNCIL LADY. AFTER I READ IT, I RECALL THE ONGOING WAR WITH THE SOUTH VALLEY. OR ONGOING WAR WITH THE SOUTH VALLEY AND THE ENCOURAGEMENT OF -- AND VOTED MOST OF THE TIME AGAINST DEVELOPMENT IN THE SOUTH VALLEY. IF IT WAS BUILT IN THE HEIGHTS IT WAS ALL RIGHT. IN THE ARTICLE SHE WORRIED ABOUT A BREW PUB. I DIDN'T READ ANYTHING ABOUT ALL THE CASINOS THAT SELL LIQUOR ALONG THE HIGHWAYS AND THEIR LIQUOR LICENSES. SHE WORRIED THERE IS NO DEVELOPMENT AROUND THE CENTER. THAT IS WHAT IS SO ATTRACTIVE ABOUT IT. IT'S A DESTINATION. A COMMUNION WITH NATURE. IT'S VISTA, THE CITY, THE MOUNTAINS, PERFORMERS, AND MUSICIANS ARE ATTRACTED TO THE QUIET THAT WOULD BE FILLED WITH THE JOY OF LIFE. AND MY TIME IS UP. PLEASE BUILD IT. PLEASE OPEN IT. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR PEÑA FOR ALWAYS FIGHTING TO OPEN IT. >> NATHAN FOLLOWED BY CARLOS. >> I'M WITH COMMON CAUSE NEW MEXICO. OUR ELECTIONS ARE HELD TO REFLECT THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. YOUR POSITION AS CITY COUNCILLOR WAS WON THROUGH A DEMOCRATIC PROCESS THAT ENSURES THAT THE MAJORITY APPROVE OF YOU TO REPRESENT US. WHEN R-47 WAS INTRODUCED IT WAS EXPRESSED THAT HAVING A LOWER ELECTION THRESHOLD WOULD BE MORE ACCESSIBLE AND CONVENIENT BY AVOIDING RUNOFF ELECTIONS AND SAVING THE CITY MONEY. AS A LEADING ORGANIZATION ON ELECTION ACCESSIBILITY WE PROVIDED THE FACTS ON HOW HIS BILL WOULD HURT THE DEMOCRACIES. EXPERTS AND OFFICIALS WEIGHED IN AND THE PUBLIC RESPONDED STATING THEY DID NOT WANT THE VOICE TO BE DILUTED AND THEY WANT THE VOTE TO REPRESENT THE MAJORITY. FINALLY THE MAYOR ELECTED TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE OF ALBUQUERQUE BY THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE VETOED THIS CITING THE SAME ISSUES THAT THE DEMOCRACY WORKS BEST. YOUR VOTE ON HOLDING OR REJECTING THAT WILL TELL VOTERS WHERE YOU STAND, ON THE SIDE OF THE PEOPLE OR DO YOU STAND FOR YOURSELF FOR FUTURE POLITICAL GAIN. I'LL LEAVE WITH THIS FACT IN 2022 NEW MEXICO RECEIVED INRANKING ON NUMBER ONE. THIS IS NO DOUBT PASSION NEW MEXICANS FEEL ABOUT DEMOCRACY AND THE PEOPLE THAT REPRESENT THEM. WHEN WE ARE SO OFTEN RANKED LAST OR SECOND TO LAST IN SO MANY NATIONAL LISTS THIS IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD CELEBRATE AND CONTINUE TO FURTHER UPLIFT. LEGISLATION LIKE R-47 WOULD HURT OUR DEMOCRACY AND TAKE OUR STATE BACKWARD. THANK YOU. >> CARLOS FOLLOWED BY JANICE. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCILORS. I WAS MOVED BY ACCOUNTS FROM OUR UNHOUSED NEIGHBORS. IT'S NOT WHAT I CAME HERE TO TALK. I NEED TO POINT OUT THAT WE KNOW HOMELESSNESS IS A HOUSING ISSUE. AND THIS COUNCIL FAILED SEVERAL YEARS IN A ROW TO PASS LEGISLATION TO ALLOW INCREMENTAL GROWTH OF THE HOUSING MARKET. I HOPE YOU START TAKING THIS ISSUE MORE SERIOUSLY IN THE FUTURE. I DID COME TO TALK ABOUT A MORE POSITIVE NOTE. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING SEVERAL PROPOSALS ON THIS AGENDA THAT WILL EXPAND TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS. I HOPE YOU PASS THE eBIKE PROPOSAL THAT ALLOWS IT THE USE EVERYWHERE. AND ALSO PASS THE MOBILITY PROPOSAL. THIS PROPOSAL WILL NOT ONLY SERVE THOSE WHO HAVE LITTLE TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS BUT ALSO KEEP MOST OF US THAT DRIVE MORE OPTIONS. ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION IS CORRELATED WITH ECONOMIC IMPACT AND VIBRANT NEIGHBORHOODS AND PUBLIC HEALTH. A FEW MONTHS AGO I WAS IN BOSTONCH. AND WE RENT ADCAR. BUT WE WENT TO THE CITY ON FOOT. WE USED THE BLUE BIKE SYSTEM. WE SPENT AN AMAZING DAY AROUND THE CITY. WE SPEND MONEY ON RESTAURANT AND SHOPS THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE OTHERWISE. WE HAD OPTIONS. I THINK THAT ADDING MORE TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS IN ALBUQUERQUE CAN ONLY BE A GOOD THING. AND I AM HAPPY THAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING TWO BILLS THAT WILL BRING THAT HERE. THANK YOU. >> JANICE FOLLOWED BY VINCENT. >> GOOD EVENING TO MAY NEIGHBORS, COUNCILOR LEWIS, AND NEIGHBORS OF THE COUNCIL. I'M A HEALTH PROMOTION SPECIALIST. OUR LOCAL PUBLIC HEALTH NONPROFIT FOCUSING ON HEALTH DISPARITIES AND QUALITY OF LIFE IN BERNALILLO COUNTY. I ATTENDED SUMMITS AND WORKING GROUPS ABOUT EXTREME HEAT CLIMATE CHANGE AND RESILIENCY IN THE SOUTHWEST. PERHAPS YOU'RE ALREADY AWARE THAT ER VISITS INCREASE, PSEUDOINCREASES, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE INCREASES, AND PEOPLE WITH DIAGNOSIS WITH SCHIZOPHRENIA WHOSE BRAINS ARE DIFFERENT AND REPRESENT 1% OF THE POPULATION REPRESENTS 8% OF ALL DEATHS DUE TO HEATSTROKE. I ASK FOR A CONCERTED PLAN FOR 2025 FOR EXTREME HIGH TEMPERATURE, AND EVEN A WET MEASUREMENT TO INCLUDE HUMIDITY. THIS SHOULD INCLUDE FROM POPULATIONS MOST EFFECTED INCLUDING ELDERS, CHILDREN, TRANSIT RIDERS, AND OUTDOOR WORKERS. HERE ARE WORKERS THAT I RECEIVED REQUESTS. ONE LOCATION PER CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT WITH A WATER FEATURE FREE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC ANY DAY THE TEMPERATURE EXCEEDS 90 DEGREES. AND FOOD, WATER, AND SHELTER. FROM MY OWN PERSPECTIVE I GIVE WATER BOTTLES IN PROJECT H2O. I RECEIVE PERSONAL FUNDING FROM THE FAMILY OF MY BESTY WHO PASSED AWAY IN JANUARY WHILE WAITING FOR THE TREATMENT CENTER AND WHOSE LOVED ONES FIVE ME FUNDS. I SPENT THE MONEY ON PACKETS TO PUT IN SPRAY BOTTLE AND A ONE GALLON PUMP THAT I USE TO WET HAIR. AND WE EXCEED 99 DEGREES I CARRY A COOLING WITH POPSICALES. I'M EEXECUTING MY PLAN. I ASK MY CITY COUNCIL WHAT IS YOUR HEAT PLAN FOR 2025? THANK YOU. >> I'M SORRY. VINCENT FOLLOWED BY JOE. >> WE'VE ASKED FOR A LITTLE MORE TIME. I'LL DO TRANSLATION WHEN HE'S FINISHED. [ SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE ] [ INAUDIBLE ] >> I'M GOING TO PROVIDE SOME TRANSLATION BECAUSE I THINK WHAT HE HAS TO SAY IS IMPORTANT FOR EVERYONE TO HEAR. I WAS BORN WITH CEREBRAL PALSY. I RESIDE IN A HOTEL ROOM WHICH I CAN'T AFFORD TO STAY IN WITH MY SOCIAL SECURITY INCOME. I APPLIED FOR EVERY AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROGRAM I HEAR ABOUT. I'M ON WAIT LISTS OF OVER A YEAR. IN TWO WEEKS I'LL BE FORCED INTO THE STREETS BECAUSE THERE'S NO APPROPRIATE SHELTER THAT ACCOMMODATES MY DISABILITIES. FOR TWO YEARS I'VE HAD A CASE MANAGER THROUGH HEADING HOME. I WAS IN A HOME UNTIL 2023 WHEN I WAS EVICTED. I HAVE MY CASE MANAGER BUT NO HAPPEN HAS BEEN ABLE TO FIND HOUSING. I NEED A PROGRAM THAT IS ACCESSIBLE AND GIVE EMERGENCY SERVICES FOR A YEAR BECAUSE THAT'S HOW LONG THE WAITING LIST IS FOR A YEAR. I'M AN ATTORNEY CAN DISABILITY RIGHTS NEW MEXICO. I WORKED WITH HIM FOR TWO MONTHS. WE'VE CONTACTED HEALTH HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS AND HEADING COME AND COALITION AND HOPE WORKS, AND WE'VE CONTACTED FIRST NATIONS, NO ONE HAS BEEN ABLE TO GIVE US AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION OF WHERE VINCENT IS SUPPOSED TO GO IN TWO WEEKS. >>COUN. LEWIS: WE HAVE -- MAYBE WE CAN HELP SOME WITH THAT TONIGHT. AND THE ADMINISTRATION AT LEAST HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH OUR HOUSING DIRECTOR TONIGHT. AND SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME SOLUTIONS AND DISCUSSION THAT WOULD LEAD TO LONG-TERM HELP. IS THE DIRECTOR HERE TONIGHT? THANK YOU. >> UP NEXT WE HAVE JOE FOLLOWED BY RICH ON ZOOM. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. COUNCILMAN. I'M A BOARD OF DIRECTOR OF THE WEST SIDE COMMUNITY CORPORATION. I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF THE O-24-29. THIS IS A PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR A LONG TIME BY LOT OF PEOPLE. I SAW AN ARTICLE IN THE PAPER THIS LAST WEEK, OR THIS WEEK THAT HAD A LOT OF THINGS THAT WERE NOT FACTUAL. I'M NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE PAST. TALK ABOUT THE FUTURE. OUR CORPORATION IS ANXIOUS TO WORK WITH THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. I KNOW THAT YOU TOOK OVER THE FACILITIES UP THERE. AND WE ARE ANXIOUS TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH YOU. THIS HAS BEEN A LONGTIME COMING. IT'S A PROJECT THAT'S THERE. IT'S BUILT. THE CITY OWNS IT. AND WE JUST WANT TO BE PART OF IT AND MAKING IT A SUCCESS. I WANT TO ESPECIALLY THANK COUNCILOR PEÑA FOR ALL THE WORK THEY'VE DONE AND THE REST OF YOU PEOPLE HERE TOO. AND ON A LIGHT NOTE, I'M ALSO A PLANNING COMMISSIONER FOR BERNALILLO COUNTY. AND I REPRESENT THE SOUTHWEST AREA I'M GLAD SEEING THIS HOUSING ISSUE COMING UP BECAUSE IT'S A PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU. BEFORE WE GO INTO ZOOM SPEAKERS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE -- MS. SENGEL, CAN YOU HAVE THE DEPARTMENT FOLLOW UP WITH ISON VINCENT AND HIS CASE AND WHO SPECIFICALLY IN THE DEPARTMENT IS WORKING WITH HIM ON THAT CASE AND GET BACK WITH US. >> MR. PRESIDENT, YES. MARIA WENT OUT WITH HIM TO MAKE SURE WE CAN FOLLOW THROUGH AND SPEAK WITH HIM. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU. >> RICH FOLLOWED BY MARSELINE. >> MR. PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD MY VOICE TO THOSE WHO ARE ASKING THIS COUNCIL TO UPHOLD THE MAYOR'S VETO OF THE PROPOSAL TO GET RID OF RUNOFF VOTING. IN 197 JIM BACA BECAME MAYOR HAVING WON 29% OF THE VOTE. I HAPPEN TO LIKE JIM BACA BUT I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS RIGHT HE GOT TO BE RIGHT. A DOZEN YEARS LATER RICHARD BERRY BECAME MAYOR WITH 44% OF THE VOTE. I DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS RIGHT. I SUPPORT THE UPHOLDING OF THE MAY BEFORER -- MAYOR VETO. IF WHAT IS DRIVING THIS IS IT'S EXPENSIVE IN HAVING A RUNOFF ELECTION THEN A BETTER ANSWER IS RANK CHOICE VOTING. RANK CHOICE VOTING IS ALSO KNOWN AS INSTANT RUNOFF VOTING. IT'S A TYPE OF RUNOFF. IT DOESN'T AFFECT AN ELECTION. RANK CHOICE IS NOT COMPLICATED AS IT HAS BEEN SUGGESTED BY SOME. IT IS USED SUCCESSFULLY IN LAS CRUCES, SANTA FE, AND LOTS OF OTHER PLACES IN THIS COUNTRY. YES IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT MORE THOUGHT TO -- IF I HAVE TO CHOOSE AMONG THREE PEOPLE, BUT I'M AFRAID THAT I WILL SPLIT THE VOTE AND D WILL GET AHEAD OF A, B, AND C THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS ELIMINATED IN RANK CHOICE VOTING. RANK CHOICE WAS CONSIDERED IN 2018 AND FAILED ON ONE SINGLE VOTE. NOW IS THE TIME TO PASS RANK CHOICE VOTING. FIRST, PLEASE VOTE TO UPHOLD THE MAYOR'S VETO SO WE DON'T GET RID OF RUNOFF VOTING. >> I GIVE MY SUPPORT FOR RANK CHOICE VOTING. IT'S A WONDERFUL IDEA AND ENSURING OUR DEMOCRACY IS ACTUAL DEMOCRACY. WHAT I CAME TO TALK ABILITY, IN SIX MONTHS THIS YEAR THE CITY COMPLETED ALMOST 6,000 SWEEPS OF UNHOUSED BROTHERS AND SISTERS. THIS IS DISGUSTING. THIS IS DISGUSTING. WHEN YOU THROW AWAY PEOPLE'S BIRTH CERTIFICATES AND BELONGINGS YOU DON'T HELP THEM. YOU PUSH THEM FURTHER DOWN INTO A SYSTEM THAT IS NOT MADE TO HELP THEM. THE ISSUES OUR NEIGHBORS ARE GOING THROUGH ARE NOT NEW. HALFHEARTED MEASURES DOESN'T EVER WORK. YOU'RE NOT HELPING. WE CAN PRETEND LIKE YOU ARE, BUT WE LIVE IN REALITY. YOU HAVE BEEN ELECTED TO DO A JOB. IT WOULD BE FANTASTIC IF THIS ADMINISTRATION AND COUNCIL WOULD STOP PRETENDING AND TAKE SOME INITIATIVE AND ENSURE AND INCREASE ACCESS TO THOSE AMENITIES AVAILABLE WITH ABSOLUTELY NO BARRIERS OF ENTRY. CREATE NEW POLICY AIMED AT ADDRESSING ACTUAL ROOT CAUSES BY LEGITIMATE ADDICTION HELP AND RENT PROTECTIONS AND SUBZ BUSINESSED HOUSING. PLEASE STOP THROWING OUR MONEY AT BLOATED BAND IDSOLUTIONS AND INHUMANE SWEEPS. THIS CITY COMPLACENCY IN THIS IS DUS GISTING AND CRUEL AND WE NEED TO DO BETTER. >> MARISSA FOLLOWED BY ABRAHAM. >> GOOD EVENING, MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS. THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON O-24-14. I AM REPRESENTING THE HORSEMAN OF NEW MEXICO FROM THE PECOS CHAPT R IN THE EAST MOUNTS. WE MUST BE SAFE IN OUR OWN SPACE TRAILS. ELECTRONIC eBIKES CANNOT BE ON THE TRAILS. THERE MUST BE NONMOTORIZED TRAILS IN THE SYSTEM. OTHERWISE, HOW CAN WE STOP eSCOOTERS. THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED ON PAVED TRAILS WITH EXCEPTIONS FOR THE HANDICAPPED AND eBIKES OF LOWER CLASS DETERMINED BY THE CITY PARKS DEPARTMENT FOR MULTIUSE WHERE THEIR USE MAY NOT CAUSE CLIBLTH -- CONFLICT WITH PEOPLE ON FOOT OR HORSEBACK. UNPAVED TRAILS SHOULD BE DESIGNATED AS UNMOTORIZED TRAILS SO BIRD WATCHERS, DOG WALKERS AND FAMILIES CAN ENJOY THEM. THEY BELONG IN THE MOTORIZED CLASS AND RECOGNIZED AS SUCH BY NATIONAL AND STATE AGENCIES. TODAY THERE ARE SO MANY TYPES OF eBIKES IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO ENFORCE. WITH MINIMUM BUDGETS THE RULINGS NEED TO BE CLEAR AND SIGNAGE ADDED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. ON SINGLE TRACK TRAILS, LINE OF SIGHT IS A REAL ISSUE IN THE BOSQUE AND EAST MOUNTAINS. IN CLOSING WITH THE MRARPT OF OUR OUT HAD IT'S IMPERATIVE FOR SAFETY, WE DESIGNATE TRAILS SO WE CAN ENJOY. WE'RE NOT AGAINST eBIKES BUT THEY CAN'T HAVE IT ALL. -- SO WE CAN ALL USE THE TRAIL SYSTEM AND BE SAFE IN DOING SO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> ABRAHAM. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL PRESIDENT, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. I AM THE DEMOCRACY PROJECT DIRECTOR WITH THE CENTER FOR CIVIC POLICY IN NEW MEXICO. WE STRONGLY OPPOSE ANY EFFORTS TO UNDERMINE OUR DEMOCRACY AND DISREGARD THE MAJORITY WILL OF THE VOTERS. TO ALLOW FOR PLURALITY VOTING WILL NOT INCREASE ELECTIONS. IT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO ALLOW FOR INEFFECTIVE GUV WERINGS FROM CANDIDATES THAT DON'T HAVE THE SUPPORT OF VOTERS. MANY CITIES NATION WIDE HAVE MOVED AWAY FROM THE VOTING SYSTEM JUST AS ALBUQUERQUE VOTERS DECIDED TO DO A FEW YEARS AGO. IF TURNOUT IS WHAT THE MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL IS CONCERNED WITH, THERE'S MORE EFFECTIVE WAY OF INCREASING THE NUMBERS. WE WANT TO THANK THE MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL THAT VOTE AGAINST THE CHANGES AND WE URGE YOU TO UPHOLD THE VETO. WE OPPOSE P-5 AND P6 WHICH ELIMINATE THE STAGGERED ELECTION CYCLE. WE BELIEVE INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE ALLOWS FOR EFFECTIVE GOVERNANCE. WE URGE THE COUNCIL TO VOTE NO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND HARD WORK. >> I'M NOT FINDING CANDY IN ZOOM AT THIS TIME. THAT DOES CONCLUDE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: OKAY. WE GOT TO EVERYBODY? ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL WILL CONVENE IN 30 MINUTES. >>COUN. LEWIS: WE HAD AT LEAST ONE PUBLIC SPEAKER THAT WE DIDN'T GET TO BEFORE THE BREAK. WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO THE PUBLIC SPEAKER. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. WE HAVE CANDY ON ZOOM. >> MR. PRESIDENT, GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU SO VERY, VERY MUCH. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ASK IF I MAY BE ALLOWED TO. IF WE DO AN ADA ACCOMMODATION. I WROTE MY COMMENT AND I AM READY AND PREPARED TO READ IT BACK TO YOU OR HAVE IT READ TO YOU. IT'S TEXT TO VOICE. IF I MAY BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT? >> PLEASE PROCEED. >> WE NOT HONORING THE WISHES OF KEN SANCHEZ. >> HOLD ON. THIS IS IN REFERENCE TO R-24-67. I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO THANK MR. BACA VERY, VERY MUCH FOR YOUR HELP TODAY. COUNCILOR BACA. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, ONE CANNOT DISPUTE THERE'S A NEED FOR A WEST SIDE SPORTS COMPLEX FOR ORGANIZED SPORT FOR THE YOUTH AND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IT MAY BRING TO THE AREA. HOWEVER THERE RESO MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS. LET'S TAKE A PAUSE AND REEVALUATE WHAT OUR PRIORITIES SHOULD BE ON THE WEST SIDE. OUR PARKS ARE AN ASSET TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS, COMMUNITIES AND CITIES. THEY'RE A GREAT MEETING PLACE TO HAVE AN EVENTS, PICK NICKS, SPORTS FESTIVALS. A PLACE FOR THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER. A PLACE FOR OUR YOUTH. IT SPEAKS TO THE HEALTH AND WELLNESSES OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. UNFORTUNATELY, THE CITY PARKS DEPUTY DIRECTOR, 50% OF PARKS NEED REPAIR OR RENOVATION. THIS IS DUE TO LACK OF FUNDING OUR COMMUNITY CENTERS ARE A FOCAL POINT FOR OUR YOUTH AND COMMUNITY. THE JOAN JONES COMMUNITY CENTER WHERE I ATTENDED THE RIBBEN CUTTING CEREMONY FOR THE LATE KEN SANCHEZ IN 2023 WILL NOT OPEN FOR ANOTHER TWO AND HALF YEARS. WE'RE HONORING THE WISHES OF KEN SANCHEZ FOR THE AREA. WHAT'S THIS REALLY ABOUT? IN THE WORDS OF DR. JOE ALEX, FORMER COMMUNITY LEADER, WHAT'S THE RUSH? >> I JUST WANT TO REMIND US THAT WE'RE TAXPAYERS, AND WE ALSO GET OUT AND VOTE. I JUST THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT OUR PRIORITIES IN THIS COMMUNITY BEFORE WE EMBARK ON THIS PROJECT THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY ANSWERS FOR. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR ALLOWING ME TO DO THIS TODAY. THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THANK YOU, CANDY. I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT. I REALLY LIKE TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU IN REFERENCE TO SOME THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT, OR YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT. THERE'S ONE QUESTION I NEED TO ASK. THAT'S TO ASK THE QUESTION, WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE JOAN JONES COMMUNITY CENTER? IT'S BEEN CLOSED FOR GOING ON THREE YEARS NOW. WHILE IT'S UNDERGOING REN OVATIONS, AND WHY ARE THEY TAKING SO LONG TO COMPLETE? I KNOW THAT'S MY DISTRICT BEFORE AND NOW IT'S COUNCILOR BACA'S, I THINK BOTH OF US WANT TO KNOW BECAUSE WE HAVE VESTED INTEREST IN THAT COMMUNITY. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, I'M HAPPY TO SIT DOWN AND HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH YOU. I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY CENTER. BUT THIS ISN'T THE ONLY AREA WE HAVE ON THE WEST SIDE. WE HAVE MARIPOSA PARK THAT NEEDS A LOT OF WORK. TENDER, LOVING CARE. SOME OF THE AREAS HAVE BEEN NEGLECTED AND I BELIEVE WE NEED TO SIT DOWN AND REALLY TALK ABOUT WHAT OUR PRIORITIES SHOULD BE OR SHOULD BE. ACTUALLY WITH THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY COUNCILOR. WE'D APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. I LOOK FORWARD TO US GETTING IN TOUCH WITH YOU, PRETTY QUICK. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, I WILL GET YOU AN ACCURATE UPDATE TO RELATED TO JOAN JONES. I KNOW RECENTLY I RECEIVED A SCHEDULE UPDATE RELATED TO THE RENOVATION. I DON'T WANT TO OVERPROJECT. I KNOW WE'RE COMING UP CLOSE TO THE END OF THE RENOVATION. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY MORE PUBLIC COMMENTS? >> NO, MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO ITEM 15. OTHER BUSINESS. ITEM A, EC-175 VETO OF R-24-47. TO BE HELD IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE CONCERNING AMENDMENTS TO ARTICLE TWO OF THE ALBUQUERQUE SILTY CHARTER. PROVIDING THE FORM OF THE QUESTION AND THE DESIGNATION CLAUSE FOR SUCH QUESTION ON THE BALLOT. IF A COUNCILOR WISHES TO ATTEMPT AN OVERRIDE THEY'LL MAKE A MOTION TO OVERRIDE, IF NO MOTION IS MADE, THE VETO STANDS. IF A MOTION IS MADE, SIX VOTES NEED TO OVERRIDE. I MOVE TO OVERRIDE. MOTION AND SECOND TO OVERRIDE. I KNOW WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS. WE'LL JUST SAY A FEW WORDS. WE HAVE A LOT OF DISCUSSION AND MANY, MANY HEARINGS ON THIS. FOR SEVERAL MONTHS. I GUESS I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR, THIS VETO IS A VETO OF VOTERS. I TRUST THE PEOPLE OF ALBUQUERQUE. THE VETO IS NOT A VETO AGAINST HOW WE DO ELECTIONS. IT'S A VETO AGAINST ALLOWING THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A SAY. I TRUST THE PEOPLE OF ALBUQUERQUE TO VOTE HOW THEY WANT AND HAVE A VOICE IN THIS. SO, I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO SEE THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE OF ALBUQUERQUE GET VETOED. AND I THINK MOST DEMOCRATIC THINGS WE CAN DO IS PUT QUESTIONS LIKE THIS BEFORE THE VOTERS AT THE PROPER TIME. AND THAT WOULD BE IN NOVEMBER. I THINK IT'S CERTAINLY THE RIGHT THING TO DO. WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF SPEAKERS. AND WE'LL MOVE THE BILL. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS LISA FOLLOWED BY MIKE. MIKE FOLLOWED BY ASHLEY. ASHLEY FOLLOWED BY CARTER. CARTER FOLLOWED BY MASON. >> COUNCILOR LEWIS, COUNCILORS. I'M WITH AFSME. I WILL SAY THAT I THINK PUTTING SOMETHING IN FRONT OF THE VOTERS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY REALLY UNDERMINE OUR DEMOCRACY ISN'T REALLY A GREAT IDEA EVEN IF THE VOTERS DO HAVE A SAY ON IT. WE DID HAVE AN OVERWHELMING VOTE ON THIS 11 YEARS AGO. MOST IMPORTANTLY, I THINK THIS IS A MATTER OF YOU AS ELECTED OFFICIALS CHOOSING WHETHER TO PROTECT OUR DEMOCRACY AS IT STANDS. >> MASON FOLLOWED BY CHARLES. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I ALREADY SPOIK -- SPOKE ON THIS ISSUE. I WILL REITERATE THE COMMENTS. IF THIS IS SOMETHING YOU ARE INTERESTED IN PURSUING AS FAR AS FAIRNESS AND ACCESSIBILITY AND EQUITY FOR VOTERS I THINK COUNCILOR BACA HAD A GREAT PROPOSAL FOR CHARTER REVIEW TASK FORCE REVIEW. BRINGING IT FORWARD IN THE FORM OF TASK FORCE SO IT CAN BE MORE EXTENDED PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE IT GOES INTO A BALLOT WHERE WE HAVE SEVERAL CONTENTIOUS ELECTION, INCLUDING A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, AND OTHER ISSUES RELATED TO ELECTIONS. THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY THAT VOTERS WILL NOT COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS. I THINK THEY DESERVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE EDUCATED ON THIS. I STILL BELIEVE THAT IT IS UNDEMOCRATIC TO USE THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS IN ORDER TO CHANGE THE WILL OF THE VOTERS TO MINORITY ESPECIALLY IN THE SCENARIO WHERE THEY DO NOT COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY MAY BE VOTING FOR. FOR THOSE REASONS WE SHOULD UPHOLD THE OVERRIDE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> CHARLES FOLLOWED BY PAUL. >> I AM A RESIDENT OF ALBUQUERQUE. AND I THANK THE COUNCIL FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK ON THE ISSUE OF THE VETO. I'M TOO OLD TO BELIEVE THAT ANYTHING I SAY WILL CHANGE ANYBODY'S VOTE. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU REALIZE THAT THE OPTICS OF OVERRIDING THE VETO ARE NOT GOOD. I DOUBT THERE'S ANYONE IN THIS ROOM WHO DON'T HAVE SOME IDEA OF WHAT THE REAL REASON MIGHT BE FOR DOING AWAY WITH THE MAJORITY VOTE. WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THE SPONSORS WANT TO SAVE THE CITY AND US EXPENSE OF A RUNOFF. I THINK IF THAT WERE TRUE AS POINTED OUT EARLIER YOU WOULD PROPOSE RANK CHOICE VOTING. THAT WOULD HAVE SHOWN ISTHAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN SAVING MONEY, ELIMINATING RUNOFF AND GIVING THE VOTERS MAJORITY VOTE MAYOR. UNFORTUNATELY, THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE THE CASE. WE CAN ALL SPECULATE THAT WHAT THE REAL REASONS MIGHT BE. IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A CANDIDATE THAT MAY BE A BLOCK OF VOTES GET BETTER THAN 40% BUT COULDN'T QUITE GET 50%. I'VE LIVED HERE A LONG TIME. AND THAT USED TO BE THE WAY IT WAS DONE BEFORE YOU GOT A MAJORITY REQUIREMENT FOR A MAYOR. I THINK MAYBE THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON. I THINK A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE THINK THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON. IT JUST SEEMS TO ME IT'S CHIPPING AWAY AT DEMOCRACY. IT'S NOT A VERY GOOD EXAMPLE. AND IT'S NOT A GOOD PRACTICE. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. >> PAUL, FOLLOWED BY JOEL. >> MR. PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, I AM A RESIDENT OF ALBUQUERQUE DISTRICT SEVEN AND REPRESENTING INDIVISIBLE ALBUQUERQUE. I AM HERE TO ASK THE COUNCIL TO SUSTAIN THE VETO OF R-47. FROM THE CURRENT 50% TO PLURALITY. THE PROPOSED MEASURE OPPOSES THE WILL OF THE MAJORITY. MAYOR KELLER POINTS IN THE LETTER THAT 2013 VOTERS RAISED THE THRESHOLD IN MUNICIPAL ELECTIONS FROM 40% TO 50% WITH 55% VOTERS SUPPORTING THE MEASURE. THE OTHER WAY THAT THIS MEASURE OPPOSES THE WILL OF THE MAJORITY CAN BE SHOWN IN AN EXERCISE. WE'RE A PAROLERIZED SOCIETY IMAGINE ONE FACTION HAS TWO GOOD CANDIDATES AND THE OTHER FACTION HAS A SINGLE CANDIDATE. IMAGINE THE TWO CANDIDATES OF THE FIRST FACTION SPLIT THE VOTE AT 33% EACH AND THE CANDIDATE IN THE OTHER FACTION GETS 34%. UNDER THE CURRENT SYSTEM THERE WOULD BE A RUNOFF AND ONE OF THE TWO CANDIDATES FROM THE FIRST FACTION WOULD LIKELY WIN. UNDER THE PROPOSAL THE CANDIDATE WITH 34% OF THE VOTE WOULD BE ELECTED. I KNOW RUNOFF ELECTIONS ARE EXPENSIVE. OUR SECRETARY OF STATE OFFERS ANOTHER WAY, RANK CHOICE VOTING. RANK CHOICE VOTING WOULD SAVE US THE COST OF RUNOFF ELECTIONS WHILE PRESERVING MAJORITY RULE. RANK CHOICE VOTING IS WELL UNDERSTOOD AND HAS BEEN ADOPTED IN MANY CITIES COMPARABLE TO ALBUQUERQUE. IN CLOSING, AND ASK THE COUNCIL TO MAYOR'S VETO OF R-47 AND PRESERVE THE MAJORITY RULE IN ALBUQUERQUE. >> JOEL FOLLOWED BY CHARLES. >> MR. PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, I AM A MEMBER OF THE CENTRAL NEW MEXICO LABOR COUNCIL AND ALSO MEMBER OF AFSME. I AM HERE TO ALSO ASK YOU TO SUSTAIN THE MAYOR'S VETO ON THIS ATTEMPT TO BASICALLY UNDERMINE OUR MAJORITY PROCESS WITHIN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HOPE HAS BECOME CLEAR I'VE YET TO SEE ANYBODY WALK UP HERE AND SAY WHAT WE WANT IN THIS CITY IS TO HAVE LESS OF A VOICE IN OUR CITY. WE WANT MINORITY RULE IN THE CITY. SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE COME UP, FRANKLY, JUST DON'T APPEAR TO HOLD WATER. THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE LOW VOTER TURNOUT. IF YOU WANTED A LOW VOTER TURNOUT WE SCHEDULE WHEN WE HAVE FEDERAL AND STATE-WIDE ELECTIONS. THAT'S NOT HAPPENING. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GETTING TO, IN THE END THE ATTEMPTS HERE SEEM TO BE SOMETHING TO -- I THINK SOME OF THE PEOPLE SAID IT. IT SEEMS TO TRY TO GIVE PEOPLE A SECOND SHOT AT THE APPLE BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY TO DO THIS IN THE MAJORITY IN THE CITY ANYMORE. WE ASK YOU TO SUSTAIN THE MAYOR'S VETO AND TO KEEP OUR CITY MAJORITY RULED HERE. THANK YOU. >> CHARLES FOLLOWED BY ERIC. ERIC FOLLOWED BY SHAUN. SHAUN FOLLOWED BY DON ALD. >> DONALD. FOLLOWED BY JOHN ON ZOOM. >> I'M RESIDENT OF ALBUQUERQUE SINCE 1970. RESIDENT OF THE STATE SINCE 1952. I THINK WE SHOULD HONOR THE WILL OF THE VOTE OF THE PEOPLE WHEN WE DECIDED TO GO WITH THE MAJORITY RATHER THAN MINORITY ELECTED PERSON. I JUST ECHO THE THOUGHTS OF EVERYBODY ELSE THAT'S SPOKEN BEFORE ME. I THINK THE RESULTS THAT WERE SENT TO THE MAYOR'S OFFICE WERE 50-1 AGAINST THAT PROPOSAL. PLEASE SUSTAIN THE VETO. >> JOHN FOLLOWED BY JOSE. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, I AM HERE REPRESENTING MYSELF AND CONSERVATION VOTERS NEW MEXICO. I'M A PROUD RESIDENT OF CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT FOUR. YOUR CONSTITUENTS THE PEOPLE OF ALBUQUERQUE HAVE SPENT THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS TELLING YOU HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL. TO A PERSON THEY HAVE OPPOSED IT AND HAVE BEEN CRYSTAL CLEAR ABOUT WHY OUR CURRENT SYSTEM IS WORKING. WE SUPPORT THE CREATION OF A CITY CHARTER REVIEW TASK FORCE TO EXPLORE WAYS TO REDUCE OR ELIMINATE RUNOFF ELECTIONS. PLEASE VOTE TO UPHOLD THE MAYOR'S VETO. THANK YOU. >> JOSE FOLLOWED BY GREG. JOSE, FOLLOWED BY GREG. >> WE CAN HEAR YOU. >> OKAY. THERE WE GO. THANK YOU PRESIDENT AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. I APOLOGIZE I CAN'T BE THERE IN PERSON TODAY. I'M SICK WITH COVID. I'M HERE TODAY ASKING YOU TO UPHOLD THE MAYOR'S VETO AS PRESIDENT OF LOCAL 1888 I'M ELECTED BY MAJORITY VOTE FROM MY UNION MEMBERS. IF I FEEL LIKE I'M ABOUT TO LOSE AN ELECTION I DON'T CHANGE THE RULES TO THE PROCESS. I GO OUT THERE AND WORK WITH MY PEOPLE AND EARN THEIR VOTES. IF ANOTHER CANDIDATE COMES FORWARD AND DOES A BETTER JOB AT ME FROM EARNING VOTES THEN SO BE IT. THAT'S THE DEMOCRATIC WAY. THANK YOU. >> GREG FOLLOWED BY RICHARD. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, I'M REPRESENTING MYSELF. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE VIRTUAL COMMENT THIS EVINGENING. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR RAISING THE ISSUE OF IMPROVING VOTER TURNOUT. I ASK YOU TO PROTECT THE 50% THRESHOLD. I HOWEVER SUPPORT THE CREATION OF A CHARTER REVIEW TASK FORCE AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED TO STUDY THE ISSUE CAREFULLY AND DELIBERATELY TO ENSURE THE WILL OF THE VOTERS IS REFLECTED AT THE BALLOT BOX. >> RICHARD PARISH. >> I'LL START AGAIN. MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, I AM HERE TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF THE RIO GRANDE CHAPTER OF THE SIERRA CLUB. I STRONGLY URGE THAT THE COUNCIL TO UPHOLD THE VETO AND NOT OVERRIDE IT. I AGREE WITH ALL OF THE POINTS THAT WERE VERY ELOQUENTLY MADE. I WILL TRY NOT TO REPEAT WHAT THEY HAVE SAID. ONE THING I DID WAS WHERE WENT BACK AND LOOKED ADD -- AT THE RUNOFF ELECTIONS SINCE ADOPTED 12 YEARS AGO. THERE HAVE NOT BEEN A SINGLE INSTANCE OF THE MINORITY CANDIDATE NOT WINNING BECAUSE OF THE RUNOFF ELECTIONS. I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT WE LIVE IN A TIME WHEN THERE IS GREAT DISTRUST IN GOVERNMENT. AS CITIZENS AND AS ELECTED OFFICIALS WE NEED TO BE ENCOURAING PEOPLE TO TRUST GOVERNMENT NOT HAVE GREATER REASON TO DISTRUST THEIR GOVERNMENT. IF WE'RE ELECTED PEOPLE WITH LESS THAN MAJORITY OF VOTE THAT WILL GIVE PEOPLE LESS CONFIDENCE IN THEIR GOVERNMENT AND MORE REASON TO BE CYNICAL ABOUT WHAT IT IS OUR GOVERNMENT IS DOING. I WOULD JUST AGAIN ADD WHAT A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE SAID THAT THE SOLUTION TO NOT HAVING RUNOFF ELECTIONS IS RANK CHOICE VOTING. INSTANT RUNOFF VOTING. I HOPE THAT THE COUNCIL WILL SEE FIT IN THE FUTURE TO HAVE ANOTHER LOOK AT THAT AS A POSSIBLE OPTION. THANK YOU. >> MR. PRESIDENT, SUSAN AND DEBBIE ARE NOT PRESENT IN ZOOM AT THIS TIME. THAT CONCLUDES COMMENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: OKAY. THIS IS EC-175. VETO OF R-24-47. MOTION AND SECOND TO OVERRIDE. GO TO DISCUSSION. YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A PROPOSAL ON HOW WE DO ELECTIONS. WE COULD LET THE MAYOR DECIDE IT WITH A VETO. ONE PERSON DECIDE IT. OR WE DO A DEMOCRATIC THING AND LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE. THAT'S WHY I'M FOR IT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS. AND SHARE INFORMATION WITH FOLKS WATCHING. WE'VE HEARD FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE DURING THIS PROCESS. I DID NOT GO BACK AND COUNT. IT'S WELL OVER A HUNDRED PEOPLE THAT HAVE TAKEN THEIR TIME TO COME TO THE CHAMBER AND SIGN ON AND TELL US THIS IS NOT WHAT THEY WANT. THERE WAS ONE PERSON THAT SAID THAT'S WHAT HE WANTS. I'M NOT REALLY SURE THAT WE WANT TO BE [ INAUDIBLE ] I ALSO WANT TO SAY WE HAVE HAD RANK CHOICE VOTING TWICE. I PROPOSED IT A COUPLE YEARS AGO AND WE DIDN'T GET IT OUT OF COMMITTEE. THIS YEAR COUNCILOR ROGERS PUT TOGETHER THE RANK CHOICE VOTING PROPOSALAL AND ALLOWED ME TO SIGN ON AS A CO-SPONSOR. IT DIDN'T GO TO COMED BECAUSE WE'RE RUSHING THESE THINGS THROUGH THIS YEAR. IT WAS VOTED DOWN AGAIN. CLEARLY, THE PEOPLE OF ALBUQUERQUE DO WANT RANK CHOICE VOTING. THAT IS NOT SOMETHING YOU'RE GOING TO GET. AND I ALSO WANT TO SAY WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF FOLKS SAY THEY LIKE THE CHARTER REVIEW TASK FORCE. AGAIN, COUNCILOR ROGERS PUT THAT TOGETHER THIS YEAR. ALLOWED ME AND COUNCILOR BACA TO JOIN HER AS CO-SPONSORS. I WAS HONORED TO DO SO. I THINK THAT WAS THE APPROPRIATE MECHANISM FOR THIS. AGAIN THAT IS NOT PASSING THE COUNCIL. WE'VE HAD LOT OF FOLKS PARTICIPATE. THEY SAY THEY WANT TO SAVE DEMOCRACY AND THEY WANT TO CONTINUE WITH MAJORITY RULE. AND I'M GOING TO LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE. AND I'M GOING TO VOTE TO SUSTAIN THE VETO. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR PEÑA. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE? MOTION AND SECOND. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES. RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED NO. THAT MOTION FAILS ON A 5-4. RAISE YOUR HAND IN FAVOR OF THE OVERRIDE. OPPOSED. WE'RE GOING TO GO TO APPROVALS. THERE ARE NONE. FINAL ACTIONS, COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: P-5 IS THE CHARTER AMENDMENT PROPOSAL ADOPTING THE PROPOSITION TO BE SENT TO THE VOTERS AT THE GENERAL ELECTION PROPOSAL ARTICLE TWO OF THE CITY CHARTER RELATED TO CITY COUNCIL ELECTIONS. I MOVE A DO PASS. I THIS -- THIS ONE IS RELATED TO THE NEXT ONE, MR. PRESIDENT. I'M NOT SURE WHICH ONE WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE UP FIRST. I THINK I'LL GO TO THE STAFF AND ASK THEM. WHICH IS THE ONE TO THE WEST SIDE COUNCILORS. I HAVE TO OPEN THAT UP. >> MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, JUST GIVE US ONE MOMENT PLEASE. >>COUN. PEÑA: P-5 IS OUR DISTRICT. THANK YOU. I HAD SOMETHING ELSE OPEN ON MY iPAD. BY THE TIME I FOUND THAT. P-5. OKAY. WHICH IS THE ONE WE'RE ON. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I PUT FORTH THESE TWO PROPOSITIONS TO MOVE FORWARD JUST SIMILAR TO SUPPORTING YOU AND YOUR EFFORTS ON AUTHORITY ONE. JUST TO REALLY HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT CITY COUNCIL DISTRICTS AND RUNNING FOR MAYOR. FOR ME, I JUST THINK IT'S ABOUT EQUITY IN TERMS IF YOU ARE A CITY COUNCILLOR WHO LIVES IN AN ODD NUMBER CITY COUNCILLOR, THEN YOU CANNOT RUN FOR MAYOR BECAUSE YOU ARE ON THE SAME CYCLE AS THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. AND TO PREFACE THIS, I WANT TO SAY THAT ALL THESE PROPOSITIONS INCLUDING THE ONE BEFORE, BECAUSE I WAS INTENDED TO PUT THIS AMENDMENT FORWARD, BUT ACTUALLY COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN HAD SAID SHE WAS GOING TO SO I LET HER DO THE AMENDMENTS. NONE OF THESE WOULD AFFECT ANYBODY RUNNING FOR OFFICE. ALL OF IT WOULD BE AFTER THE NEXT CYCLE. ANYWAY, BACK TO THIS PROPOSITION IS THAT THIS WOULD ALLOW -- HAVE THE TWO COUNCILORS -- ODD NUMBER COUNCILORS WOULD RUN FOR THE NEXT -- WHEN THEY RUN NEXT TIME THEY RUN FOR TWO YEARS TO GET EVERYBODY ON THE SAME CYCLE AS EVEN-NUMBERED COUNCILORS. THE NEXT PROPOSITION BUT REVERSE FOR THOSE EVEN-NUMBERED. I DON'T KNOW, MR. PRESIDENT IF WE WANT TO HANDLE THESE TOGETHER OR NOT TOGETHER. OBVIOUSLY, IT WOULD BE A HEAVY ASK TO ASK ALL THE COUNCILORS ON THE EVEN NUMBER TO RUN AND RUN FOR TWO YEARS. I THINK, REALLY, IT WOULD BE INCUMBENT FROM THE ONES ON THE WEST SIDE, IF IT'S OUR DESIRE. IT'S MY DESIRE OR IF IT'S OUR DESIRE TO MOVE P-5 FORWARD IN ORDER TO CREATE THE ELECTIONS WHERE IF YOU'RE ON COUNCIL YOU CAN RUN FOR MAYOR. I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S AN EQUITABLE THING WHEN YOU HAVE SOME THAT CAN RUN FOR MAYOR AND NOT HAVE TO GET OFF COUNCIL, OR YOU HAVE SOME THAT CAN'T RUN FOR MAYOR. THIS IS ISN'T ABOUT THE NEXT ELECTION. I JUST WANT TO PREFACE IT WITH THAT. I DID TALK TO OUR CLERK, WE CAN DO -- WITHOUT HAVING TO PASS ANYONE OF THESE WE CAN ACTUALLY DO THAT IF ALL OF US COUNCILORS, AND THIS IS NOT IN FRONT OF US, BUT WE CAN DO IF ALL OF YOUR COUNCILORS, IF YOU BECOME A COUNCILOR AND YOU DECIDE TO RUN FOR MAYOR, YOU WOULD HAVE TO -- I'M GOING TO ASK ETHAN TO SAY -- IT WOULD BE RESIGN TO RUN. AND THIS IS JUST REALLY TO TRY TO ACHIEVE EQUITY ACROSS THE BOARD SO IT'S THE SAME FOR ALL OF US. WITH THAT, I MOVE A DO PASS OF THIS P-5. AND IF THE STAFF CAN PROVIDE. >>COUN. LEWIS: SECOND ON THAT? MOTION AND SECOND FOR THE DUE PASS. ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? >> YES MR. PRESIDENT. OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS MASON FOLLOWED BY OSCAR ON ZOOM. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNSEL. I WILL BE BRIEF. WE SEE ONE GROWING ISSUE WITH THE PROPOSAL FIVE AND SIX IN FRONT OF US TODAY. I RESPECT COUNCILOR PEÑA'S WISHES TO MAKE THE ABILITY TO RUN FOR MAYOR MORE EQUITABLE, HOWEVER PUTTING ALL THE CITY COUNCILLORS ON THE SAME BALLOT MAY RUN THE RISK FOR ALL OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS OR MANY OF THEM TO BE NEWLY ELECTED OFFICIALS. RIGHT NOW WITH THE STAGGERED SYSTEM IT'S ENSURING THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE AT THE DAIS THAT HAVE THE EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE OF BEING A CITY COUNCILLOR AND I'M SURE AS YOU DO WITH ALL OF YOUR PEERS YOU CAN PASS DOWN THAT KNOWLEDGE. IF WE HAVE A CITY COUNCIL WHERE MOST OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS ARE NEW, WE MAY ONCE AGAIN RUN THE RISK OF HAVING A LONGER TIME MAKING THESE VERY IMPORTANT DECISIONS IN THIS BODY. SO, THAT IN ADDITION WITH THIS PROPOSAL BEING ON THE BALLOT DURING A TIME WHERE THE ELECTION IS VERY CONTENTIOUS, AND THE INFORMATION IN THIS BALLOT NONDISCRYPT AND DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND, WE ASK FOR A TASK FORCE FOR EXACTLY WHY THE CITY COUNCIL TERMS SHOULD BE CHANGED AND HOW TO BEST GO ABOUT THAT PROCESS. CHANGES THAT ENHANCE OUR PROCESS IS WHAT WE AIM FOR. AND WHAT WE SUPPORT. FOR THAT REASON, WE URGE YOU TO VOTE NO FOR THESE PROPOSALS. THANK YOU. >> OSCAR. >>COUN. PEÑA: MR. PRESIDENT. >> MR. PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. I'M A RESIDENT OF ALBUQUERQUE SINCE 1952 AND CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT TWO. THIS P-5 PROPOSAL IS NOT -- I ASK YOU TO VOTE AGAINST IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THAT CONCLUDES COMMENT, MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILORS, BACK TO DISCUSSION. ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. ON THE FACE OF THIS I'M NOT AGAINST IT. THE IDEA OF EQUITY. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF EQUITY ISSUES WE NEED TO ADDRESS. THERE SHOULD BE A TASK FORCE TO WORK THROUGH SOME OF THESE THINGS. I DO WANT TO ADD JUST THAT STAGGERED APPROACH IS A GOOD THING. I'M A TRAINED HYDROLOGIST, THIS YEAR COUNCILOR PEÑA WAS A HUGE HELP FOR ME UNDERSTANDING OUR 1.3 BILLION DOLLAR BUDGET. I WAS NOT READY FOR THAT. TO BE HONEST. THAT PART OF BEING A COUNCILOR. BUT THAT WAS A HUGE HELP. MOREOVER, I LOOKED IT UP. NO CITY COUNCILLOR HAS EVER BECOME MAYOR. I'M NOT SAYING ONE OF US SHOULDN'T BE. MAYBE THAT WOULD HELP THINGS ALONG AT TIMES. CHANGING OUR ENTIRE ELECTION SYSTEM FOR A MAYBE FIRST-TIME? THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT I THINK REQUIRES A LOT MORE RESEARCH DIALOGUE DISCUSSION AND FINALLY THE EQUITY QUESTION, THERE IS DEFINITELY TRUTH TO THAT AND SUPPORTS THAT. AT THE SAME TIME WE REPRESENT THE CONGRESSIONAL BODY. WHETHER IT'S THE SENATORS AND REPRESENTATIVES AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL OR THE SENATORS AND REPRESENTATIVES HERE IN THE STATE, THOSE ARE STAGGERED. THE SENATORS DON'T HAVE TO GIVE UP THEIR SEATS TO RUN FOR GOVERNOR OR ANY OTHER BODY. I'M NOT AGAINST THIS PROPOSAL, I THINK THIS SHOULD GO TO THE TASK FORCE BEFORE IT GOES TO VOTERS. THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILORS, DISCUSSION? >>COUN. PEÑA: MR. PRESIDENT, JUST TO ADD BECAUSE I DO AGREE, IT'S A SCARY THOUGHT TO THINK IT WOULD LOSE ALL THE COUNCILORS AT ONE TIME. WE DO HAVE THE STAFF THAT CAN ANSWER THIS QUESTION. THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO, ISN'T THERE A TIME WHERE BOTH SENATORS AND REPRESENTATIVES ALL RUN ON THE SAME TIME FRAME? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR PEÑA, ALL SENATORS AND ALL STATE REPRESENTATIVES ARE RUNNING ON THE SAME BALLOT. >>COUN. PEÑA: POTENTIALLY, THEY COULD ALL BE GONE? OKAY, THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: ALL RIGHT. THAT WAS CLOSE. MOTION OF DO PASS. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED NO. NO. MOTION FAILS. WOULD THAT STRIKE R-65? OKAY. HOW DOES THAT WORK, WE WITHDRAW THAT? >> MAKE A MOTION TO WITHDRAW, MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: I'LL MOVE TO WITHDRAW. COUNCILOR PEÑA NEED TO DO THAT? >>COUN. PEÑA: DOES IT NEED TO BE ME? >> IT BELONGS TO THE BODY. ANYBODY CAN MAKE A MOTION TO WITHDRAW. >>COUN. PEÑA: I MAKE A MOTION TO WITHDRAW. >>COUN. LEWIS: MOTION AND SECOND TO WITHDRAW. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES. MOTION PASSES. P-6. COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THIS IS SIMILAR TO WHAT I DESCRIBED EARLIER. I WOULD MOVE APPROVAL OF P-6. >>COUN. LEWIS: MOTION AND SECOND FOR APPROVAL. ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? >> YOU DID HAVE MASON. >>COUN. LEWIS: DISCUSSION ON THE BILL? COUNCILOR PEÑA TO CLOSE. >>COUN. PEÑA: URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. LEWIS: THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED NO. FAILS ON A 0-9. >> CAN WE SEE THAT VOTE AGAIN? >>COUN. LEWIS: 0-9. R-66. I'M GOING TO WITHDRAW. MOTION AND SECOND WITHDRAW. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES. OPPOSED NO. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE'RE GOING TO GO TO ITEM E. COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, O-14 COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE AMENDING PORTIONS OF THE CHAPTER CODE AND OPEN SPACE AND REGIONAL PRESERVE. CHAPTER FIVE OF CODE OF ORDINANCE TO REGULATE eBIKES AND MOTORIZED MODES OF TRANSPORTATION. I MOVE DO PASS. >>COUN. LEWIS: MOTION AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. SPEAKERS? >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS EDWARD FOLLOWED BY THOMAS. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE ALBUQUERQUE CITY COUNCIL, WE'VE HEARD EXCLUSIONARY REMARKS FROM THE ALBUQUERQUE POLICE DEPARTMENT. WE'VE HEARD HOW THERE'S LACK OF ADEQUATE TRANSPORTATION AND HOW THAT MADE RIDING THE BUS INCONVENIENT. AND MOST SIGNIFICANTLY WE HEARD ABOUT THE LACK OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND EFFECT ON EQUITY FOR THE CITIZENS OF ALBUQUERQUE. THESE CHALLENGES HIGHLIGHT URGENT NEED FOR POSITIVE CHANGE AND INCLUSIONARY PRACTICES THAT AFFECT EVERYONE IN OUR COMMUNITY. I'M JOINED TONIGHT BY A GROUP OF POSITIVE THINKING ADVOCATES WHO WILL HIGHLIGHT THE RECREATIONAL AND ECONOMIC BENEFITS OF EMBRACING CLASS ONE eBIKES IN OUR OPEN SPACES. THEY WILL SHARE THEIR KNOWLEDGE, RESEARCH AND EXPERIENCE FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES IN HOPES OF SHEDDING LIGHT ON THIS UNKNOWN TOPIC. THEY SEEK TO UNITE US ALL AND COUNCILOR CHAMPINE'S, I HOPE I SAID YOUR NAME RIGHT, I BUTCHERED IT, I'M SORRY. STATED ON YOUR ONLINE BIOGRAPHY THAT OUR KIDS SHOULD HAVE THE FREEDOM TO RIDE THEIR BIKES ANYWHERE IN ALBUQUERQUE. RATHER THAN IMPOSING RESTRICTIVE LAWS BROUGHT ON BY THE BEHAVIOR OF SOME ILL-MANNERED INDIVIDUALS, WE ENCOURAGE THIS COUNCIL TO FOCUS ON INCLUSIONARY PRACTICES. LET US FOSTER A CULTURE OF RESPECT AND SHARED USE. LET US CONSIDER SAFE AND CONSIDERATED PRACTICES. INVESTING IN INFRASTRUCTURE SUCH AS CLEAR SIGNAGE AND RADAR TO ENHANCE SAFETY, KNOWLEDGE AND AWARENESS AND ACCESSIBILITY. PLEASE JOIN US IN WORKING TO ACHIEVE THIS VISION TO PROVIDE A SAFE, POSITIVE AND INCLUSIVE SPACE FOR EVERYONE TO ENJOY. BY DOING SO, WE CAN ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF FOR THE RESIDENTS, BOOST OUR LOCAL ECONOMY, AND POSITION OUR CITY TO BECOME A FORWARD SEEKING HOPE. >> THOMAS, FOLLOWED BY DEAN. >> HELLO PRESIDENT, COUNCIL, I AM THE GM OF SPORT SYSTEMS. WE HAVE MANY PEOPLE CALLING TO THE STORE ASKING ABOUT eBIKE RENTALS WHO RIDE WHEN VISITING ALBUQUERQUE. WHEN TOURISTS ASKS ABOUT RENTING eMOUNTAIN BIKES WE HAVE TO TELL THEM IT'S ILLEGAL. THEY TELL US THEY'RE JUST GOING TO TRAVEL SOMEWHERE ELSE. THEY'RE GOING TO GO ANOTHER STATE. BECAUSE OF OUR CURRENT LEGISLATION NEW MEXICO IS VIEWED AS ONE OF THE MOST UNFRIENDLY TO CYCLEISTS IN THE NATION. I FIND IT ODD PNM WILL OFFER TAX INCENTIVES TO BUY eBIKES AND AT THE SAME TIME THE LEGISLATION RESTRICTS USE. PEOPLE ARE SAYING THAT eBIKES ARE RIDING AROUND AT 20 MILES AN HOUR. THIS IS THE UPPER LIMIT OF THESE BIKES. THE REALITY IS THAT eMOUNTAIN BIKES ARE RIDDEN BETWEEN EIGHT AND 11 MILES PER HOUR WHICH IS SLOWER THAN THE ANALOG BIKERS. THIS IS ACCORD TO THE APP WE'VE BEEN LOOKING INTO. THIS IS BECAUSE THOSE WHO ARE BUYING THESE eBIKES ARE NOT BYING THEM TO GO BAST, THEY'RE BUYING THEM TO CONTINUE RIDING DUE TO AGE, INJURY OR FITNESS. I MYSELF SUFFERED AN ANY INJURY AND MY eBIKE HAS HELPED ME GET BACK INTO RIDING. NUMEROUS STUDIES HAVE SHOWN THAT eBIKES DO NOT IMPACT DIRT TRAILS THE SAME AS REGULAR BIKES. PLEASE DO NOT DISCRIMINATE AGAINST THE ELDERLY OR NON-FIT RIDERS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> DEAN FOLLOWED BY CARL. >> I'VE BEEN RIDING OFF-ROAD AND ON TRAILS FOR 35 YEARS. LIKE MANY OF US IN THE SENIOR COMMUNITY, I'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH PHYSICAL CHALLENGES OF AGING. THANKS TO MY eBIKE I AND COUNTLESS OTHER SENIOR CITIZENS CAN ENJOY CYCLING IN THE BEAUTIFUL OUTDOORS OF NEW MEXICO. IF THE PROPOSED INITIATIVE ALLOWING eBIKES IN OPEN SPACES IS BANNED, IT WILL HIT SENIOR CITIZENS THE HARDEST. THEY'RE THE LARGEST GROUP OF eBIKE OWNERS. THIS BAN WILL FORCE SENIORS OFF THE TRAILS OF TRADITIONAL BIKE COURSES BUT DOGS HAVE ACCESS. RESTRICTIONS ARE BASED ON MISINFORMATION OR LACK OF UNDERSTANDING. LIKE THE IDEA THAT eBIKES ARE SPEEDING AND RIDING WRECKLESSLY. THE TRUTH IS MOST eBIKERS ARE BETWEEN THE 50 AND 70 YEARS OLD. WE'RE NOT RACING. WE'RE USING THE BIKES TO STAY FIT AND HEALTHY. FOR THOSE OF US WITH PHYSICAL LIMITATIONS THEY'RE A VITAL WAY TO EXERCISE MORE OFTEN AND FOR LONGER PERIODS. I LIVE IN THE NORTH VALLEY AND LAST MONTH THE RIO GRANDE CONSERVANCY DISTRICT BANNED eBIKES. IT'S A BLOW TO THE SENIOR COMMUNITY. THIS IS BASED ON THE IDEA THAT THEY GO AT 30 MILES AN HOUR AND HAVE LARGER TIRE AND CAUSE DAMAGE TO WILDLIFE. I QUESTION THE SOURCE OF THESE CLAIMS. YET I'M PROHIBITED FROM RIDING ON THE DITCH BANK. I FEEL LIKE SENIORS ARE UNFAIRLY TARGETED DUE TO INACCURATE INFORMATION. I URGE YOU TO ALLOW eBIKES IN OPEN SPACES. >> CARL FOLLOWED BY TERRY. >> COUNCILORS, I'M A SENIOR WITH, AND HIKER. I WALK OPEN SPACE TRAILS. I URGE THE COUNCIL TO TABLE OR STRIP UNPAVED TRAILS FROM O-14. THE OPENING OF ALL TRAILS TO ALL CLASSES IMMEDIATELY WITHOUT COMPREHENSIVE TRANSPARENT PUBLIC INPUT IS PLANNING IS SIMPLY LEGISLATIVE BENEFITTING SELFISH INDIVIDUALS. NO JURISDICTION TAKES THIS APPROACH. O-14 IS WRITTEN AS A BAND-AID THAT PLACES OPEN SPACE IN AN IMPOSSIBLE SITUATION. WHERES THE BUDGET TO ENFORCE SPEED LIMITS. OPEN SPACE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE LOW IMPACT RECREATION AREAS. THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THEY'RE LOW IMPACT. OPEN SPACE ARE NONMOTORIZED. WHERE IS THE LINE BETWEEN MOATO CROSS? WE COLLECTED CLOSE TO 500 SAYING COUNCILORS SEEKING TABLING BECAUSE PEOPLE DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS ORDINANCE. WE TALKED TO PEOPLE WHO WANTED THEIR VOICES HEARD AMONG SENIORS, HIKERS, TRAIL RUNS, BIRD WATCHERS AND NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THEY CAN ONLY BE HEARD THROUGH PUBLIC MEETINGS, PROFESSIONAL SURVEYS AND WRITTEN COMMENT. THEY'RE NOT HEARD BY ONE OR TWO MINUTE STATEMENTS. OUR CITY HAS GOOD PLANNING COMMITTEES. WE HAVE THE WEST TRAILS PLAN. AND THE BIKE FACILITIES PLAN. THIS IS A THOUGHTFUL APPROACH TO DECIDE WHERE AND WHEN THEY'RE ALLOWED. TRAFFIC TRAILS, AND TRAILS OF NO LINE OF SITE ARE OF PARTICULAR CONCERN. I TALKED TO THE eBIKE GROUP TONIGHT. WE HAVE SOME AREAS OF AGREEMENT. SLOWING DOWN O-14 IS PROPER. THERE'S NO IMMEDIATE CRISIS REQUIRING AN UNWISE DECISION. IN ITS CURRENT FORM O-14 IS NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE ALBUQUERQUE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. >> TERRY FOLLOWED BY JEANETTE. >> THANK YOU, CITY COUNCILLOR, MR. PRESIDENT, I'M HERE WITH PETITION SIGNED BY ALMOST 500 PEOPLE AND THANK YOU I SEE SOME OF YOU GOT THE NOTEBOOK WE GAVE TO EACH ONE OF YOU. THESE ARE ALMOST 500 PEOPLE WHO WANT THEIR VOICES TO BE HEARD. WHAT I'D LIKE TO SAY IS I'D LIKE TO SAY THIS OUT YOU IN THE eBIKING COMMUNITY. THIS IS NOT ABOUT A BAN OF eBIKES. THIS IS ABOUT VOICES BEING HEARD. WE WENT TO WHERE PEOPLE WERE. THESE ARE LIVE SIGNATURES. WE WENT TO TINGLY BEACH. WE WENT TO THE WEST SIDE MESA AREAS. WE WENT TO THE BOSQUE AT SENTERAL AVENUE. THE BOSQUE ON MONTANO. WE SPOKE TO ALL SORTS OF USERS. KIDS, ROLLERBLADERS, PEOPLE WITH KIDS AND STROLLERS. THEY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS. THEY WERE SHOCKED. AND THEY WERE GLAD TO BE KNOWING ABOUT IT. WHAT THIS PETITION DOESN'T SAY, IT DOESN'T SAY WHY THEY WANT A HEARING. THEY'RE NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT ANYONE ELSE. I WANT MY VOICE TO BE HEARD AND I WANT THERE TO BE PLANNING. WE KNOW THERE IS THAT KIND OF PLANNING FOR THE BUS USERS. WE HEARD THERE'S PLANNING FOR THE WEST SIDE TRAILS. THERE'S THIS PLANNING FOR THE SO MANY OTHER THINGS, UNSER, WIDENING UNSER. WE HEARD THINGS WERE DELAYED BECAUSE OF COMPLEXITY AND PEOPLE HAD DIFFERENCES OF OPINION. THE LAND USE ISSUE -- THAT'S DELAYED BECAUSE PEOPLE HAD DIFFERENCE OF OPINION. THERE IS DIFFERENCES OF OPINION HERE. LET PEOPLE BE HEARD. LET THERE BE PLANNING. THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THIS IS GOING TO BE SAFE FOR THE OLDER PEOPLE OUT THERE. THERE'S NOTHING IN THIS ORDINANCE THAT MAKES IT SAFER FOR YOU. LINE OF SIGHT, PEOPLE COMING AT YOU AT 20 MILES AN HOUR. YOU MIGHT BE GOING 10 MILES AN HOUR, NOT EVERYONE IS. EVERYONE ELSE THEY HAVE PLANNING AND THEY HAVE PUBLIC INPUT. DON'T BE DIFFERENT, WE DON'T HAVE TO BE. WE CAN DO IT RIGHT. SLOW IT DOWN. HERE'S THE ORIGINAL. THANK YOU. >> JEANETTE FOLLOWED BY DWAYNE. >> GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY AGAIN TO SPEAK AS AN ADVOCATE FOR PEDAL ASSIST MOUNTAIN BIKE. IT'S A MULTIUSE BIKING AND HIKING, I UNDERSTAND HOW CHANGE IS DIFFICULT FOR SOME AND THEY HEAR eBIKE AND THEY THINK FAST. I THINK EDUCATION IS KEY AND I THINK THE PEOPLE OPPOSED ARE NOT EL EDUCATED TO WHAT A CLASS 1 eBIKE IS. I'M SORRY. THE BIKES IN QUESTION ARE PROPELLED BY PEDALLING AND GIVE YOU A PERCENTAGE OF ASSIST AS YOU PEDAL. MY AVERAGE SPEED TEN YEARS AGO ON MY NON-eBIKE WAS 9 MILES AN HOUR. AND MY eBIKE IS AT THE SAME SPEED. 7 TO 9 MILES AN HOUR AS CALCULATED BY THE GPS TRACKING APP. IF A RIDER DOES EVER REACH 20 MILES AN HOUR, THE ASSIST STOPS AND NOW WE'RE PEDALING A 30 TO 40 POUND BIKE WHICH IS SIGNIFICANTLY HEAVIER THAN THE NON-eBIKE. AND NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO KEEP THAT SPEED. WE'RE SLOWING IT DOWN. I UTILIZE THE TRAILS AS I ALWAYS HAVE. NOW I HAVE ASSIST. BIKES ARE ONLY ALLOWED IN A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF TRAILS IN THE FOOTHILLS COMPARED TO THE VAST AMOUNT OF TRAILS PAST THE WILDLIFE BOUNDARY JUST ONE AND A HALF TO TWO MILES OFF THE TRAILHEADS. THIS WILL IMPACT THE PHYSICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH OF MANY. PLEASE DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AND MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION REGARDING THE PRACTICAL USES OF A PEDAL ASSISTED BIKES. >> DWAYNE FOLLOWED BY RUTH. >> THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS. I'M THE OWNER OF SPORT SYSTEMS. WE'RE A STORE IN ALBUQUERQUE. AND MY CUSTOMERS -- WE SELL TO HIKERS, DOG WALKERS, BIKE RIDERS, eBIKERS, ALL THE DIFFERENT USERS OF THE TRAILS. I'M REALLY ADVOCATING FOR ALL USERS OF OUR TRAILS. THE BEST WAY TO MAKE THE TRAIL SAFE IS BY IMPLEMENTING SPEED LIMITS. SOME OF THE BANS OF CERTAIN CLASSES OF BICYCLES. CERTAIN WOULD BE OKAY ON THAT TRAIL BUT NOT ON THAT TRAIL. IT'S CONFUSING. CLASS ONE, CLASS TWO. I CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE. IT WOULD BE HARD FOR OFFICIALS THAT ARE REGULATING THAT AREA AS WELL AS USERS. WE DON'T WANT TO PIT DIFFERENT USERS AGAINST EACH OTHER. WE THINK THAT SPEED LIMITS ARE THE FAIREST AND BEST WAY. WE ALL UNDERSTAND THEM. IF YOU MAKE LEGISLATION EASY FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND, 10 MILES HERE, 15 ALL, 20 THERE, NOT THE TYPE OF THING YOU'RE ON. I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT WAYS TO REGULATE eBIKES BASED ON SPEED. ALSO THE PROVISION IN THE LEGISLATION YOU HAVE PARKS AND RECREATION FIGURE OUT THE SAFETY OF EACH TRAIL. EVERY SINGLE TRAIL HAS A UNIQUE NEED. AND WE THINK PARKS AND RECREATION COULD DO THAT. PLEASE DON'T DISCRIMINATE AGAINST ELDERLY OR LESS THAN AVERAGE FIT RIDERS. THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU. I KNOW YOUR PROBABLY MORE OF AN EXPERT ON eBIKES, COULD YOU -- WOULD YOU MIND DESCRIBING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CLASS ONE, CLASS TWO, CLASS THREE? >> YES. WHEN THEY MADE LEGISLATION PROPOSED BY THE STATE OR PASSED BY THE STATE, PEOPLE FOR BIKES, NATIONAL ORGANIZATION THAT PASSED THAT STATE LEVEL ADVOCATED FOR CLASSIFYING ALL THE BIKES. WHAT WE DID AS A STATE IS WE NAMED THEM ALL. THAT WAS UNIQUE TO NEW MEXICO. CLASS ONE IS A PEDAL-ASSIST BIKE. YOU STILL RIDE IT AND LOOKS LIKE A BIKE. YOU COULDN'T TELL IT'S AN eBIKE. IT GIVES ASSISTANCE AND CAN MAGNIFY. CLASS TWO GOES TO 20 MILES AND THE POWER STOPS. PEDAL-ASSIST AND THROTTLE TO HELP YOU GET STARTED WHEN YOU'RE AT A STOPLIGHT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. CLASS THREE IS PEDAL-ASSIST LIKE THE ONE BUT THE MAXIMUM SPEED IS 28. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE TOP SPEED IS. YOUR CAR CAN GO 140 AND WE DON'T DRIVE THAT FAST. IF YOU HAVE SPEED LIMITS WE CAN MAKE IT SAFE IN ALL THE DIFFERENT AREAS BASED ON THAT. AND I'M TALKING ABOUT ALL USERS. ANALOG BIKE RIDERS, SKATERS. IT CAN BE WHATEVER THE DEVICE THEY'RE ON. IT MAKES IT SAFE FOR ALL USERS. REGULATE THE BEHAVIOR NOT THE DEVICE. >>COUN. LEWIS: MAXIMUM OF CLASS IS 28, SO MOST WILL NOT GO HIGHER THAN 28? >> IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO RIDE FASTER BECAUSE THE POWER STOPS. >>COUN. LEWIS: I THINK THE LAST TIME I ROAD AN eBIKE AND IT WAS 18 AND IT WAS FASTER THAN WHAT I WOULD RIDE CONSISTENTLY. THE CLASS ONE MAXES AT ABOUT 18? >> 20, YEAH. >>COUN. LEWIS: OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. >> RUTH, FOLLOWED BY JILL. JILL FOLLOWED BY KIRT. >> MR. PRESIDENT, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. I'M AN AVID WALKER. I LOVE SPENDING TIME IN THE OPEN SPATAREAS AROUND ALBUQUERQUE. I THINK I HAVE WALKED EVERY TRAIL ON THEM. I SUPPORT THIS ORDINANCE. I THINK SOME OF THE OPPOSITION HAVE MISREAD IT TO THINK THAT ININCLUDING THE NORTH VALLEY NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION. I GOT A LETTER FROM THEM ABOUT IT. SAYING IT PROPOSES ALL OPEN SPACE TRAILS TO eBIKES. OF COURSE, IT DOESN'T DO THAT. ALL IT DOES IS ADD eBIKES TO TRAILS THAT ARE ALREADY DESIGNATED FOR ANALOG BIKES. MOST eBIKES DON'T GO FAST OFF-ROAD. EVEN IF THEY'RE ABLE TO, IT RUNS DOWN BATTERY AND FIXING A BIKE IS NO TRIVIAL THING. I THINK THERE SHOULD BE REGULATIONS ABOUT WHICH TRAILS ARE APPROPRIATE FOR ALL ALL BICYCLES. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE FEWER TRAILS OPEN TO BICYCLES. I THINK THERE SHOULD BE SPEED LIMITS AND REGULATIONS ABOUT RIDER BEHAVIOR. THERE ARE STUDIES IN COLORADO AND CALIFORNIA THAT FOUND THAT REGULAR MOUNTAIN BIKE RIDERS AVERAGE AGE IS 32 AND AVERAGE AGE OF OFF-REED eBIKES IS 58. ALL THE OTHER -- WE ROAD BIKES FOR MANY YEARS AND eBIKES ALLOW US TO CONTINUE RIDING AND ENJOYING THE OUTDOORS. WE'RE NOT SPEED RACERS, OFF-ROAD PEOPLE. WE'RE NOT THE ONES THREATENING WALKERS. AS A WALKER, I RUN INTO THOSE GUYS ALL THE TIME. ALL BIKES HAVE IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT. AGAIN, THERE'S STUDIES IN COLORADO AND CALIFORNIA AND I CAN SHARE THOSE THAT FOUND THAT eBIKES HAVE NO MORE IMPACT ON WILDLIFE, PLANT LIFE OR THE ENVIRONMENT THAN ANALOG BIKES. I HAVE FRIENDS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE AND I HAVE HAD DEBATES WITH THEM. BUT I'VE SEEN NO CONVINCING ARGUMENT TO TABLE THIS OR TO NOT PASS IT. THANK YOU. >> KIRT FOLLOWED BY RALPH. >> MR. PRESIDENT, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. I READ O-14. AND THE MAJORITY OF O-14 DEFINES WHAT eBIKES ARE. DEFINES REGULATIONS CITY USAGE. IT'S THE PART AT THE END, 584, THAT I TAKE EXCEPTION TO AND I SUPPORT PETITION TO TAKE A STEP BACK ON THIS. 584 SAYS THE EXISTING ARTICLE FOR REASONABLE TRESPASS IN THE OPEN SPACES CAN BE OVERRIDDEN BY PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT. AND THAT INCLUDES AND NO ONE SPEAKS TO THIS, NOT ONLY eBIKES BUT THE POWERED MICROMOBILITY VEHICLES THAT IN THE DEFINITION CAN GO UP TO 30 MILES AN HOUR. I'M AN EQUESTRIEN AND A HIKER. I HAVE HAD NUMEROUS OCCASIONS WHERE eBIKERS COME AT THE HIGH SPEED RATE OF SPEED FOR THE TRAIL, AND SPECIFICALLY TALKING TO OUR SINGLE TRACK TRAILS WHICH ARE POPULAR WITH EQUESTIENS AND HIKERS. I DO BELIEVE THERE IS SOME PROBLEMS ON THAT. WHAT 584 SECTION DOESN'T ADDRESS IS BACK IN THE COVER ANALYSIS WE SETTLE STATEMENTS THAT SAY OSD WOULD ONLY ALLOW eBIKES ON UNPAVED TRAILS TO DETERMINE SUITABLE FOR RECREATION. IT'S NOT IN THIS PROPOSAL. I'M SURE THERE ARE IN THE COVER. IT ALSO TALKS ABOUT THE AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER FIVE THAT WOULD ALLOW IMMEDIATE -- I'M SORRY. THAT'S MY TIME. IT'S MORE COMPLICATED THAN JUST eBIKES. THANKS. >> RALPH FOLLOWED BY MIGUEL. >> COUNCILOR LEWIS, COUNCIL MEMBERS, THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. I AM A SENIOR. AGED 67. STILL RIDING ANALOG BIKE. SELF-PROPELLED BIKE. I'LL SEE AN eBIKE IN MY FUTURE. I'M A 30-PLUS YEAR RESIDENT OF DISTRICT SEVEN. I'M A USER OF PAVED TRAILS AND UNPAVED TRAILS. I CONCUR WITH ALL THE COMMENTS, EMAILS AND OVER 450 SIGNATURES ON THE PETITION YOU RECEIVED URGING YOU TO TABLE CSO14. I WAS VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THIS ORDINANCE WHEN IT WAS FIRST INTRODUCED IN THE APRIL 10th MEETING. TODAY, I WANTED 15 SPEED LIMITS NOT 20. I'M NOT OPPOSED OF eBIKES. WE FAST FORWARDED THE PROCESS BY ADDING UNPAVED TRAILS. WE NEED PROPER STUDIES AND PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND USERS TO BE EVALUATED. GIVEN THAT MRGCD AND SANDIA RANGER DISTRICT HAVE SIGNED RESOLUTION LETTERS TO THE CITY COUNCIL, THE MAYOR, AND DIRECTOR SIMON EMPHASIZING THE LAND THEY OWN, CONTAINED OVER OVERLAPPED ARE OFF LIMITS TO eBIKES , HOW DO YOU PROPOSE FOR PRD TO ASSIGN THOSE CLOSED TO eBIKES AND HOW DO YOU PROPOSE TO ENFORCE WITHOUT FUNDING OR MAN POWER? IT SEEMS TO ME THIS COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE IS AN UNFUNDED MANDATE WHICH REGRETTABLY IS TO THE DETRIMENT OF THE CITY'S RELATIONSHIP WITH OTHER ENTITIES AS WE GO FORWARD. THE SAME CONCERNS WERE EXPRESSED -- I'M GOING TO SKIP OVER THIS. THEY WERE SHARED BY THE OPEN SPACE ADVISORY BOARD. ELECTRIC POWERED UNICYCLES. THEY EXCEED ALL THE PARAMETERS LISTED IN THE DEFINITION FOR POWER MICRO-MOBILITY DEVICES. I PERSONALLY WITNESSED THEM, FOUR OF THEM BLATANTLY GOING TO THE FOUR HILLS OPEN SPACE. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. >> MIGUEL FOLLOWED BY PATTY. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. I AM A HIKER, AND ANALOG BIKE RIDER. AND AN eBIKE RIDER. I COME TO STATE FACTS AND VOICE MY CONCERNS ABOUT eBIKES. I OWN A PEDAL ASSIST BIKE CLASS ONE THAT MEANS THE BIKE DOES NOT MOVE UNLESS I PEDAL. IT HAS NO THROTTLE. I CAN'T REACH A SPEED OF 20 MILES AN HOUR BEFORE THE BIKE STARTS FIGHTING BACK. NO MATTER HOW HARD I PUSH IT. IF THE TERRAIN IS FLAT, I'M NOT GOING OVER 20 MILES AN HOUR. IF THERE WERE TO BE A HUGE DOWNHILL AREA, THE GOVERNOR KICKS IN AT 20 MILES AN HOUR. IN THIS CASE ONE IS FASTER ON A NON-eBIKE BECAUSE THERE'S NO RESISTANCE. THIS IS WITHOUT TRYING ONE COULD PEDAL FASTER. THIS IS MORE DANGEROUS, BUT I WOULDN'T WANT A BAN ON ANALOG BIKES EITHER. I'M AN AGING MAN, AND MOST OF MY LIFE MY FRIENDS AND MENTORS HAVE BEEN OLDER. I CAN'T BEGIN TO TELL YOU WONDERFUL STOR EZTHAT THEY TELL ME WHILE RIDING THE eBIKE. IT'S A GAME CHANGER. I'M NOT IN PAIN. I CAN'T BELIEVE I'M RIDING THIS TRAIL AGAIN. CAN YOU BELIEVE I ROAD -- RODE 20 MILES THIS WEEK. IT SEEMS LIKE PEOPLE WANT PEOPLE IN WHEELCHAIRS THAN TO KEEP THEM HEALTHY ON A PEDAL-ASSIST BIKE. THANK YOU. >> PATTY FOLLOWED BY RUDOLPH. RUDOLPH FOLLOWED BY PATRICK. >> PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, I'M A BIKE RIDER. WHEN I'M IN MIAMI I CAN ROAD FROM DAYTONA TO MIAMI NON-STOP. WHEN I GET TO THIS ALTITUDE I CAN'T PEDAL. ONE TIME I WAS AN COORS AND THIS TRUCK HIT ME RIGHT HERE. I HAVE HAVE A DISLOCATED SHOULDER. I TRIED AGAIN, AND SOON ANOTHER TRUCK HIT ME AND THREW ME TEN FEET IN THE AIR. I STARTED TAKING THE TRAILS. ONE TWO. AND MY BIKE ONLY GOES 20. I SEE OLD LADIES, THEY PASS ME. THEY PEDAL FAST. WE HAVE THE PEDAL FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD. AND THEY GO FASTER THAN US. I THINK THE PROBLEM HERE IS IF YOU COME FROM PARADISE HILLS AND YOU TAKE THE TRAILS ALL THE WAY, IT'S TOO NARROW. YOU GET A LOT OF TIMES THESE LADIES OR TWO GUYS ARE TALKING AND YOU'RE IN THE TRAIL AND YOU HAVE TO STOP AND YOU HAVE TO SAY MOVE AND WE GET THAT FRICTION. BUT THAT'S ALL IT IS. THERE'S NO ACCIDENTS BECAUSE EVERYBODY IS UP. AND THE BIKE IS COMING THIS WAY AND ANOTHER THAT WAY. WE NEED WIDER TRAILS. THAT'S WHAT WE NEED. THE BIKES ARE NOT A PROBLEM. IT'S THE SIZE OF THE TRAIL. LIKE WHAT I WILL LOVE TO SEE AND MAYBE THAT WILL BE THE RESPONSE FOR SOMEBODY TO BE ABLE TO GO OUTSIDE WITH THEIR BABIES. I'M GOING TO ASK FOR YOU NOT TO TAKE MY ONLY WAY TO MAKE IT HERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> PATRICK FOLLOWED BY MARK. >> THANK YOU, CITY COUNCIL. I'M ADVOCACY CHAIR WITH BIKE ABQ. I'M NOT GOING TO TALK ON THE UNPAVED TRAILS ISSUE. I'M GOING TO FOCUS ON THE TRAILS IN THE CITY LIMITS. THE BIGGEST ISSUE THAT WE HAVE THE CURRENT ISSUE IS ALBUQUERQUE BANS CLASS TWO eBIKES FROM TRAILS. THIS IS WAY OUT OF LINE WITH WHAT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES IN THE COUNTRY HAVE DONE. CLASS ONE AND CLASS TWO BIKES ON THE PAVED TRAILS LIKE THE NORTH DIVERSION CHANNEL TRAIL AND THE BOSQUE TRAIL. THESE ARE THE BEST PARTS OF THE BIKING IN ALBUQUERQUE. THESE ARE WAYS TO GET BETWEEN PLACES SAFELY. GO NORTH, SOUTH, BALLOON FIESTA, SAFELY. YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO DO THAT ON A CLASS ONE eBIKE WITH TOP SPEED OF 20 MILES AN HOUR. IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. THE BIGGEST ISSUE WITH THE CURRENT SITUATION IS CLASS TWO ON PAVED TRAILS. WE ALSO HAVE CONCERNS WITH THE BLANKET 20 MILE PER HOUR SPEED LIMIT IN ALBUQUERQUE. CERTAINLY IN THE AREAS WHERE THERE'S -- HAVING A SPEED LIMIT PROBABLY MAKES SENSE. ESPECIALLY SINCE IT'S GOING TO BE HARD FOR THE CITY TO BE WIDING THAT PART OF THE TRAIL. OTHER AREAS ARE MUCH MORE SUBURBAN BUT ARE STILL AN IMPORTANT ROUTE. HAVING A 20 MILE PER HOUR SPEED LIMIT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. 20 MILES PER HOUR IS FAST. THAT'S A SPEED YOU CAN SURPASS IF YOU'RE A CYCLIST ON A BIKE. EVEN ON ELECTRIC BIKE IT'S POSSIBLE FOR CLASS THREES, WHICH I'M NOT GOING TO TALK TEE MUCH ABOUT. ON A CLASS TWO YOU CAN GET THE 50 POUND BIKE GOING. IF YOU CAN GET IT ON YOUR OWN POWER, MORE POWER TO YOU. I REALLY WANT TO FOCUS ON THOSE TWO PARTS. HAVING CLASS TWOS ON THE PAVED TRAILS, AND ALSO NOT HAVING A BLANKED SPEED LIMIT. THANK YOU. >> MARK FOLLOWED BY DONALD. >> HELLO, MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, I AM PLEASED TO BE HERE. THANK YOU. I BELIEVE I HAVE A WELL-ROUNDED EXPERIENCE TO WEIGH IN AND ADVOCATE FOR WITHIN THE SUBJECT. WE'RE ON OUR 18th YEAR. 2500 CYCLEIST. I'M LEAGUE OF AMERICAN BICYCLE. AND I LIVED IN JACSONVILLE. I SPENT OVER HALF OF MY YEAR LIVING AND FINDING ADVENTURE IN MONTANA AND COLORADO. THESE LOCATIONS HAVE EVOLVED. THERE ARE PEDAL ASSIST ORDINANCES AFTER SIGNIFICANT STAKEHOLDER INPUT. THEY'RE THREE TO FOUR YEARS AHEAD OF US. THEY WORKED VERY HARD TO EVOLVE IT BASED ON INPUT. IT'S CHANGED SINCE THE FIRST YEAR. THEIR FOUNDATIONAL USE ORDINANCE ARE WORKING NOW AND THERE'S A -- SOME OF THE THINGS I'D LIKE TO STRONGLY SHARE THAT I SUPPORT IN THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE. THE REVIEW PROCESS INVOLVES CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT UNDER LEADERSHIP OF DAVID SIMON. THAT APPROVAL PROCESS WILL HAVE STRONG AND EXPERIENCED PEOPLE WITHIN THE PROCESSES AS IT RELATES TO TRAIL DESIGNATION AND USE. I THINK THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT WE STAY WITH THAT PLAN. I'D LIKE TO SEE WE MOVE TOWARD TRAIL DESIGNATION. NATIONAL BENCHMARKS WHERE THERE'S A RATING SYSTEM FOR ALL OPEN SPACE AND BOSQUE TRAILS. THIS WILL ENSURE THAT THERE'S A MATCH. RIGHT NOW WE GO UP THERE AND THERE MIGHT BE A WALKER, THERE COULD BE A RUNNER, BUT THERE COULD BE VERY STRONG RIDERS. IF YOU DESIGNATE THE TRAILS, THERE WILL NOT BE THAT CONFLICT THAT SOMETIMES EXISTS. OH MAN. COUCH POTATOES. BE ACTIVE. YOU LAST STATEMENT WOULD BE ADVOCACY COMES FROM POOR LEADERSHIP AND UNINFORMED DECISIONS. LET'S NOT PUT A PLAN INTO MOTION THAT HAS BEEN WELL-RESEARCHED. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. THANK YOU. >> DONALD FOLLOWED BY TAD. >> GOOD EVENING, AGAIN, COUNCILORS. I'M DON, I'M CURRENTLY THE CHAIR OF THE OPEN SPACE ADVISORY BOARD. FIRST, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR SENDING ME TWO NEW MEMBERS IN THE LAST TWO MEETINGS. WE'VE BEEN SHORT-HANDED AND IT'S DIFFICULT TO HAVE A QUORUM. WE'VE MANAGED SO FAR, BUT WITH TWO NEW MEMBERS IT WILL BE A LOT EASIER. WE SENT A LETTER TO ALL COUNCILORS DURING THE LUPZ HEARING TO EXPRESS OUR CONCERNS. COUNCILOR BASSAN CAME TO ONE OF OUR MEETINGS AND TOOK NOTE OF OUR CONCERNS AND SHE AMENDED HER BILL TO CURE MANY OF OUR CONCERNS. AT OUR LAST MEETING WE HAD SEVERAL CITIZENS EXPRESS THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT THE SPEED OF THIS LEGISLATION, THE LACK OF PUBLIC INPUT, AND CONCERNS ABOUT THE SAFETY AND THE CONFLICTS BETWEEN USERS. WE AS A BOARD ARE CONCERNED ABOUT SAFETY, LIABILITY, AND THE UNFUNDED MANDATE. WE WERE INTERESTED TO SEE THE MRGCD AND FOREST SERVICE. BECAUSE WE HAVE CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENTS WITH THESE FOLKS SINCE THEY OWN THE LAND AND WE HAVE THE TRAILS. WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH LANDOWNERS TELLING US WHAT THEY WANT TO DO UNTIL THEY CHANGE THEIR STUFF AND THEY'RE STUDYING THESE THINGS. GETTING THE SIGNAGE MADE AND INSTALLED ALONG WITH ENFORCEMENT WILL PROVE TO BE A BIG CHALLENGE. PLEASE ALLOW TIME FOR PUBLIC INPUT AND SOME STUDIES BEFORE THIS IS PASSED. WE'RE IN SUPPORT OF COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN'S AMENDMENTS. WE ALSO CORRECT -- [ INAUDIBLE ] CLASS ONE BIKES ARE THE ONLY ONES CONTROLLED BY PEDAL ASSIST. TWO AND THREE DO HAVE THROTTLES AND THEY DON'T NECESSARILY GO THAT SLOW. THANK YOU. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. >> TAD FOLLOWED -- >>COUN. BASSAN: CAN WE GET CLARIFICATION. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, DIRECTOR SIMON, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT CLASS ONE AND THREE ARE BOTH PEDAL-ASSIST. CLASS TWO IS A THROTTLE-BASED. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING I WANT TO BE SURE TO BE CLEAR ON. I GOT A THUMBS UP FROM OVER THERE. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. >> TAD FOLLOWED BY MALCOLM. >> THANK YOU. EXCUSE ME. WEL -- BUT I SPENT 55 YEARS -- SINCE 1969. I REMEMBER OPEN SPACES. NOTHING EAST OF EUBANK. OPEN SPACE FROM COMANCHE AND SAN MATEO. ONLY TWO HOUSES NORTH. AND EAST. NOW, 1971 WHEN I PURCHASE MY FIRST HOUSE, THEN I USED TO GO TO RIO BRAVO AND RIVER. AND DIGGING SOIL. RICH SOIL FOR MY GARDENS. ON SAN MATEO AND COMANCHE. WHERE I LIVE EARLIER. NOW, 90s I MOVE TO GABALDON ROAD. SIX ACRES. WE USED TO OPEN GATES INTO THE RIO GRANDE RIVER. AND TAKE HORSES -- OTHER HORSES RIDE IT. BICYCLES, ET CETERA, WALKERS AROUND THERE AT THE TRAIL. NOW, WHAT THIS IS DOING -- COMMERCIALIZING PROPERTY. THAT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY. THAT IS IN CONTROL. MONEY. THANK YOU. >> MALCOLM, FOLLOWED BY JEFFREY. JEFFREY FOLLOWED BY RICH ON ZOOM. >> I AM IN SUPPORT OF O-14. I THINK IT WAS WELL WRITTEN. IT WAS CLEAR, CONCISE. FORWARD-THINKING. THE INDUSTRY IS OVER A BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR IN THE U.S. WITH 15% ANNUAL GROWTH PROJECTED FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE. THAT'S HUGE. ALSO, I LIKE INCLUSION OF MICRO-MOBILITY. WHAT eBIKES MEAN TO ME, ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO I SUFFERED FROM A SIGNIFICANT INJURY. I TORE MY GROIN. SPORTS HERNIA. AND REALLY THREW ME BACK. I WAS THIS ATHLETIC GUY IN MY 40s. I WAS PLAYING BASKETBALL, RIDING THREE OR FOUR TIMES A WEEK ON MY ANALOG BIKE. AND IT WAS A SHOCK TO THE SYSTEM. I COULDN'T GET OUT AND DO THINGS WITHOUT BEING IN GREAT PAIN. I WENT TO SEVERAL DOCTORS AND COULDN'T GET LONG-TERM SUPPORT. COULDN'T FIND THE RIGHT NON-SURGICAL METHOD TO GET ME GOING AGAIN. FINALLY, AFTER TWO YEARS, I LOOKED AT MY WIFE AND SAID I'M GOING TO DROP SIX GRAND ON A BIKE. SO I BOUGHT AN eBIKE. I WASN'T LIKE AN OVERNIGHT CHANGE, BUT NOT HAVING TO PUT AS MUCH EFFORT ALL THE TIME IN ALLOWED ME TO BECOME PRETTY HEALTHY AGAIN. SO, NOW I RIDE WITH MY FAMILY. I'LL GO OUT WITH MY FAMILY. I'LL HAVE THE eBIKE OFFER -- OFF AND RIDE WITH MY WIFE AND KIDS. IF ONE OF THEM HITS THE POINT WHERE THEY'RE LIKE, I'M DYING, I'LL SAY HERE'S THE BIKE, TURN IT ON AND PUT IT IN ECO-MODE AND GIVE ME YOUR BIKE. IT'S REALLY NEAT. ME AND MY 17-YEAR-OLD GO OUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOU COMING. THANK YOU. >> I WAS JUST GETTING GOING. >> RICH FOLLOWED BY MARISSA. >> MR. PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL,I URGE THE TABLING OF THE ORDINANCE AS WRITTEN. FOR THE REASONS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN PRESENTED HERE. I'M 81 YEARS OLD. I USED TO HIKE ALL OVER THE FOOTHILLS AND THE SANDIAS. NOW I HAVE TO LIMIT MYSELF TO THE EASIER TRAILS INCLUDING MANY OF THE NARROW UNPAVED TRAILS THAT ARE IN FACT RELATIVELY EASY. I DON'T FEEL SAFE ON THOSE TRAILS BECAUSE EVEN REGULAR BIKE RIDERS USE THESE TRAILS TO ENJOY THE THRILL OF SPEED AND HOPPING OVER ROCKS. SPEED BIKES ARE EVEN HEAVIER AND CAN GO FASTER WHETHER THEY DO OR NOT. I WOULD FEEL EVEN LESS SAFE BECAUSE OF THE HEAVINESS OF THOSE BIKES. I HAVE HAD A BICYCLE SPEED RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME AND SWERVE AROUND ME. SOME HAVE COME BEHIND ME AND GIVEN ME A WARNING, BUT THEY MADE IT CLEAR I HAD TO GET OUT OF THE WAY. IT'S HARD TO FIND A SAFE PLACE OFF THE TRAIL. ABOUT A DOZEN YEARS AGO I WAS EITHER KNOCKED INTO A BUSH BY A BICYCLE ON THE DOMINGO BACA TRAIL WHERE I THREW MYSELF INTO THE BUSH TO AVOID BEING HIT. EITHER WAY I COULD HAVE BEEN SERIOUSLY INJURED NOW MORESO. A NEIGHBOR TOLD ME OF A LADY IN HER 80s IT TOOK YEARS TO RECOVER FROM INJURIES. I WANT eBIKERS TO BE ABLE TO ENJOY IN THE OUTDOORS BUT NOT IN A WAY THAT MAKES IT UNSAFE FOR US, ESPECIALLY OLDER BIKERS THAT ARE MORE FRAGILE AND VULNERABLE. MAYBE GET A COUPLE DESIGNATED TRAILS ON THESE NARROW UNPAVED TRAILS. AND WIDE TRAILS THEY'RE NOT A PROBLEM. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE NARROW TRAILS. >> MARISSA HAS DENIED PROMOTION. WE'RE GOING TO GO TO TED FOLLOWED BY REGINALD. TED FOLLOWED BY REGINALD. YOU MAY BE MUTED, TED. >> I'M HERE. >> WE CAN HEAR YOU NOW. PLEASE PROCEED. >> OH, OKAY. YES, THANK YOU. MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'M TED. FIRST OF ALL, MOST IMPORTANTLY, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR PUTTING FORTH AN AMENDMENT THAT IS THOUGHTFUL AND INSIGHTFUL THAT CREATES INCLUSION OF CLASS ONE PEDAL BIKES IN OPEN SPACES AREAS IN ALBUQUERQUE. I'M A 75-YEAR-OLD GUY. TEN YEARS AGO I COMPETED AND RACED AND FINISHED THE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP RACE. AND I DO NOT RACE ANYMORE. [ INAUDIBLE ] PEDAL-ASSIST MOUNTAIN eBIKE I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO RIDE ON THE INCREDIBLE TRAILS IN ALBUQUERQUE AND FOR THAT MATTER NEW MEXICO HAVE TO OFFER ALL OF US. THERE ARE MANY REASONS TO ALLOW PEDAL-ASSIST CLASS ONE BIKES ON OUR TRAILS RANGING FROM ECONOMIC ISSUES TO JUST [ INAUDIBLE ] MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT WE ALL SHOULD TRY TO KEEP IN MIND GOES BACK TO WHAT WE LEARNED IN KINDER GUARD GARDEN WHICH IS NOT ONLY WE SHOULD SHARE OUR TOYS, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY SHARE OUR SPACE IN THE SANDBOX. ALBUQUERQUE AND NEW MEXICO HAVE SUCH AMAZING OPEN SPACES FOR ALL OF US TO PLAY IN. WE ALL JUST NEED TO BE MORE CONSIDERATE, THOUGHTFUL, AND KINDER TO EACH OTHER WHEN WE'RE OUT THERE PLAYING. WE ALL JUST ARE OUT HERE TRYING TO HAVE FUN AND ENJOYING RIDING OUR BIKES IN OUR BEAUTIFUL NEW MEXICO ENVIRONMENT. I RIDE MY PEDAL-ASSIST BIKE A LOT IS IN THE BASIN IN SANTA FE. [ INAUDIBLE ] AND ALL KINDS -- ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO WE PUT TOGETHER A DAY WHERE WE ALL CAME TO THE BASIN. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CALL. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON. >>-- ARE YOU MUTED? >> THERE WE GO. I'M SORRY. AM I HERE? >> YES, PLEASE PROCEED. >> MR. PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, I'M A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF ALBUQUERQUE. I COME BEFORE YOU TO URGE IN THE STRONGEST POSSIBLE TONIGHT TO IMMEDIATELY PASS 24-14 ALLOWING eBIKES THE SAME ACCESS TO PUBLIC LANDS AND SAME RIGHTS AND RESPONSIBILITIES AS TRADITIONAL BIKES. I HAD ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. I'M GOING TO OFF SCRIPT AND JUST EXPLAIN -- I HAVE COPD. WHEN I WAS A KID I RODE MY BIKE ALL OVER ALBUQUERQUE. I HAD THE LUNGS OF A SWIMMER. NOW I'M FORCED TO RIDE MY BIKE ON THE FILTHTY STREETS OF ALBUQUERQUE. I WAS DRIVING BY BEAUTIFUL BIKE ROUTES THAT I PAID FOR. I'M STUCK RIDING A 20-MILE-AN-HOUR MAXIMUM SPEED BICYCLE ON PASEO, CANDELARIA, MONTANO. I KEEP HEARING ABOUT THE SAFETY. YOU DON'T BAN -- WE FINE THE GUYS DRIVING 180 DOWN THE ROAD. WHY ARE WE LIMITING eBIKES FOR PEOPLE LIKE ME? I NEED TO EXERCISE. NOW I HAVE TO GO TO A GYM BECAUSE I'M NOT ALLOWED TO RIDE BY MIKE ON THE TRAILS THAT I PAID FOR, THAT WE BUILT, TO PROVIDE A SAFE PLACE FOR BICYCLES. BECAUSE WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SPEED. THEY DO 20. PEDAL BIKES DO 30. COMMUTER BIKES. -- NOBODY IS BUYING THE SUIT AND SLICK HELMET TO DO 20 MILES AN HOUR. WE HAVE PEOPLE RIDING BICYCLES THROUGH THIS TOWN AT 30, 35 MILES AN HOUR. I GET PASSED BY THE COMMUNITY ALL THE TIME. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. >> I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. THAT'S A NEW OPTION IN ZOOM. I DIDN'T REALIZE I HAD IT ENABLED. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS RENEE FOLLOWED BY JULIAN. >> GOOD EVENING. I LIVE ON THE WEST SIDE. AND I RECENTLY HEARD ABOUT THE eBIKE LEGISLATION AND SEVERAL PEOPLE HAVE CALLED ME FROM OUR MEMBERSHIP WITH THE WEST SIDE COALITION AND THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY, ESPECIALLY IN THE OPEN SPACE TRAILS. I THINK THEY'RE MAINLY -- I DO ALSO HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I'M ALSO A HIKER AND I AM A BICYCLE RIDER. AND I HAVE RIDDEN ON THE BOSQUE PAVED TRAILS NUMEROUS TIMES WITH MY FAMILY, MY KIDS. AND YES, THERE IS A LOT OF BICYCLE TRAFFIC ON THERE. WHEN YOU GET INTO THE BOSQUE, IT'S EVEN MORE -- THE VISIBILITY WITH ALL THE VEGETATION, YOU DON'T ALWAYS SEE THE PEDESTRIANS RIGHT AWAY. AND THE BICYCLES DON'T SEE YOU RIGHT AWAY AND THERE'S PEOPLE THAT RIDE HORSES. I HAVE -- THE TEENAGE BOYS, MY SON AND THEIR FRIENDS, YOU HAVE TO YIELD TO THE HORSES AND THE PEDESTRIANS. AND LUCKILY, BECAUSE I TOLD THEM THAT, ON ONE CASE WHEN WE RODE TO CORRALES, THEY DID SHOW, AND THE WOMAN ON THE HORSE WAS HAPPY THEY STOPPED AND MOVED ASIDE. MOST OF THE TIME YOU GET OUT OF THEIR WAY. I WAS IN THE BOSQUE AROUND THE NATURE CENTER ON AN EVENT WITH A GROUP WALKING TO THE RIVER AND OUR LITTLE KIDS WERE RUNNING AHEAD OF US. WHEN I THINK OF THE eBIKES I DON'T THINK THEY CAN STOP IN TIME. ESPECIALLY WITH ELECTRIC MOTOR IN CASE THEY TURN THE BEND AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THE KIDS ARE THERE. I THINK IT IS A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE WE DO NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO. ESPECIALLY IN HARD TO SEE AREAS LIKE THE BOSQUE OR FORESTED AREAS. AND SO THAT'S WHY PEOPLE ARE COMING OUT TONIGHT TO EXPRESS THOSE CONCERNS. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS JULIE ANN. >> GOOD EVENING, MR. PRESIDENT, CITY COUNCIL, I AM A RESIDENT OF DISTRICT EIGHT. I WANT TO GIVE A VOICE TO A GROUP THAT HAS BEEN REPRESENTED TONIGHT IN URGING THE TABLING OF THIS ORDINANCE. YOUNG CHILDREN. I AM A MOTHER OF A 2-YEAR-OLD AND 3-YEAR-OLD THAT LOVE THE OPEN SPACE AREA. I'VE HEARD MANY OF THE SPEAKERS TONIGHT WHO ARE IN SUPPORT OF THIS ORDINANCE AS PRESENTED SPEAKING TO INCLUSION AND SAFETY, I JUST THINK THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE TO BE DESIRED ON BOTH OF THOSE FEATURES. ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE CONSIDERING OUR YOUNG FAMILIES. IN TERMS OF INCLUSION I WANT MY CHILDREN AND THE CHILDREN OF ALBUQUERQUE TO BE INCLUDED IN THIS ORDINANCE. AS THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER NOTED, BIKES GO FAST. WHETHER THEY'RE ANALOG OR eBIKE. IT'S UP TO US AS PARENTS TO MAKE SURE CHILDREN ARE SAFE. RIGHT NOW I CAN DO THAT BECAUSE IF THERE'S A BIKE GOING TOWARD US IT'S DOWNHILL, NOT UPHILL. WHILE 20 MILES AN HOUR DON'T SEEM TO BE THE NORM, HEARING FROM CYCLISTS TONIGHT. 20 MILES COMING FROM BOTH DIRECTIONS IS NOT GOING TO BE SAFE FOR US TO ENJOY THAT SPACE. SPEAKING OF SAFETY I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA THAT NEEDS MORE EXPLORATION, IDENTIFYING WHICH TRAILS AND AREAS ARE MOST APPROPRIATE FOR WHICH TYPE OF USERS. I DO THINK THAT THE COMMENTING TONIGHT BETWEEN THOSE SUPPORT AND AGAINST THE ORDINANCE IS THERE'S MORE INFORMATION THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED ADD AND SHARED SO WE CAN BE LOOKED AT AND INFORMED. >> RICHARD FOLLOWED BY OSCAR. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, RIO GRANDE CHAPTER OF THE SIERRA CLUB. WE'RE QUITE SUPPORTIVE OF THE USE OF eBIKES. THEY'RE A GREAT WAY TO GET AROUND ESPECIALLY FOR PEOPLE WITH MOBILITY ISSUES OR PHYSICAL ISSUES. AND WE -- I WOULD SAY WE COULD GENERALLY SUPPORT THE -- PROBABLY SUPPORT THE POSITION THAT WAS STATED BY BIKE ABQ THAT THE PERMIT ALL eBIKES ON PAVED OPEN SPACE TRAILS. BUT THEY AREN'T GOING TO BE APPROPRIATE ON EVERY SINGLE TRAIL THAT IS THERE. EVERY SINGLE UNPAVED TRAIL. IN THE OPEN SPACE NETWORK. THERE ARE SOME TRAILS WHEREAS PEOPLE MENTIONED IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO SEE AROUND BLIND CURVES, THERE'S SOME TRAILS THAT ARE VERY NARROW BECAUSE OF APPROACHING SHRUBBERY. IN THE BOSQUE THERE ARE AREAS WHERE THERE IS ESPECIALLY A NEW MEXICO -- THERE'S NO ROOM FOR ANYBODY TO PASS OR SWERVE TO GET OFF THE TRAIL. THERE'S GOING TO BE PLACES WHERE IT'S SIMPLY NOT SAFE. AND ALSO PLACES WHERE YOU WANT TO RESTRICT USAGE BECAUSE OF CONSERVATION ISSUES. YOU MIGHT WANT TO RESTRICT AREAS WHERE THERE ARE NESTING OWLS. THE SIERRA CLUB SUPPORTS THE USE OF eBIKES BUT BEFORE THEY'RE USED THEY SHOULD FIRST BE EXAMINED BY OPEN SPACE AND DETERMINED TO BE APPROPRIATE FOR USE. THE WAY THE BILL IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN THIS IS REVERSE. OPEN SPACE CAN DENY THEIR USE, BUT THE FIRST EVALUATE BEFORE USE, BETTER SAFE THAN SORRY. I WOULD SAY I HAVE GOTTEN LOT OF CALLS FROM MY MEMBERS IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS, MORE SO THAN ANY RECENT YEARS ABOUT THIS BILL. THEY WERE SURPRISED TO LEARN ABOUT IT. WE DO SUPPORT SOME PROCEDURE THAT ALLOWS MORE PUBLIC INPUT FOR PEOPLE THAT FEEL THEY HAVE BEEN HEARD ON THIS BILL. I ENCOURAGE YOU TO TABLE IT. >> OSCAR FOLLOWED BY BARBARA. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. I'M RESIDENT, I WALK, I RIDE MY BIKE AND I RIDE MY HORSE ON A LOT OF THE TRAILS IN THE BOSQUE AND IN THE AREAS. BECAUSE OF ALL THE REASONS EXPRESSED BOTH PROAND CON, THIS ORDINANCE NEEDS TO BE POSTPONED AND HAVE A PUBLIC PROCESS. AND ALL CONSIDERATIONS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED TO DETERMINE THE APPROPRIATE USE. BECAUSE THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT SAFETY FACTORS AND REASONS FOR SOME RESTRICTIONS. PLEASE POSTPONE THIS ORDINANCE AND OPEN THIS UP TO A PUBLIC PROCESS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> BARBARA FOLLOWED BY LANCE. >> MR. PRESIDENT, VICE-CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY. I AM A WORKING RETIRED FACULTY MEMBER AT UNM AND I'M A SENIOR. IN MY FREE TIME I RIDE HORSES AND I SPEAK AGAINST ALLOWING eBIKES ON THE UNPAVED TRAILS IN THE BOSQUE. [ INAUDIBLE ] THE BOSQUE TRAILS ARE AN INCREDIBLE RESOURCE. AND THE UNPAVED TRAILS ARE SHARED BY WALKERS, WALKERS WITH DOGS, CHILDREN WITH THEIR FAMILIES, CYCLISTS AND HORSES. I HAVE TWO CONCERNS. THE FIRST IS SAFETY. ACCORDING TO ONE eBIKE TEST LAB, IF AN eBIKE IS GOING 20 MILES AN HOUR IT TAKES APPROXIMATELY 31 FEET TO COME TO A STOP. THE BOSQUE TRAILS ARE NARROW AND CURVING. AND THEY'RE SHORTER THAN 31FEET. THE POSSIBILITY OF COMING AROUND AND BEING UNABLE TO STOP IF THEY COME ALONG SOMEBODY IS TERRIFYING AND COULD RESULT IN SERIOUS INJURIES. I'M SURE YOU KNOW HORSES ARE LIVING BEINGS AND EVEN THE BEST TRAINED GET SPOOKED. HORSES ONLY HAVE TWO DEFENSES IF THEY'RE IN DANGER, THEY CAN RUN OR KICK. EITHER RESPONSE HAS THE POTENTIAL TO HAVE SERIOUS INJURY TO SOMEONE. MY SECOND CONCERN IS ENVIRONMENTAL. I HEARD COMMENTS ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS. THE BOSQUE TRAIL DEVELOPED -- THE WEIGHT OF AN eRIDER WOULD MAKE DAMAGE TO THE TRAILS AND CONTRIBUTE TO EROSION THAT ALREADY EXISTS. I ASK YOU TO TABLE THIS ORDINANCE OR VOTE NO AGAINST IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. >> LANCE HAS DENIED PROMOTION. THAT CONCLUDES COMMENT FOR THIS. I APOLOGIZE. I HAVE YOU IN ZOOM. PLEASE GO AHEAD. >> COUNCILOR LEWIS, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, FOLLOW THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE PEOPLE OF ALBUQUERQUE. I'M A RESIDENT OF THE NEAR NORTH VALLEY FOR 50 YEARS. I PRACTICE PEDIATRICS IN ALBUQUERQUE FOR 41 YEARS BEFORE RETIRINGS. I'M BETTER KNOWN AS A BICYCLE RIDER. I HAVE BEEN PLEASED TO SEE ALBUQUERQUE MAKING THE BICYCLING EXPERIENCE BETTER AND BETTER FOR ALL OF US THAT SAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CARBON EMISSION AND GET A LITTLE EXERCISE AS WE RIDE OUR BIKES AROUND THE CITY. I REALLY DO BELIEVE IT HAS GOTTEN BETTER. I REGULARLY RIDE ON OUR WONDERFUL BIKE TRAIL, INCLUDING THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT SO MUCH THIS EVENING, THE BOSQUE BIKE TRAIL WHICH I LIVE VERY CLOSE TO ONE. I WON'T READ THE PARAGRAPH I HAVE WRITTEN ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IT'S MOSTLY REPETITIVE AND YOU'VE HEARD ENOUGH ABOUT OUR WONDERFUL BOSQUE BIKE TRAIL. I DO WANT TO SAY THAT I CAN HURRY ON MY BIKE ON A PAVED TRAIL AND I CAN'T AND I SHOULDN'T ON AN UNPAVED TRAIL IN THE BOSQUE. IT'S A WONDERFUL TRAIL THAT GOES FROM TINGLY BEACH TO MONTANO. I DO NOT BELIEVE BLANKET PERMISSION FOR SPEEDING VEHICLES OF ANY KIND SHOULD BE PART OF CITY POLICY. CARS OR BICYCLES. I CANNOT IMAGINE MY FORMER PATIENTS WOULD BE SAFE WITH HIGH-SPEED VEHICLES COMING AROUND THE CORNERS ON THE BOSQUE OR ANYWHERE ELSE. THERE ARE DANGEROUS ANALOG BIKES OUT THERE. BUT THEIR SPEEDS ARE NOTHING COMPARED TO THOSE THAT COULD BE ACHIVED BY THE eBIKES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE. CHILDREN, DOG WALKERS -- AND MANY OTHER TYPES OF USERS USE THE TRAILS IN THE BOSQUE. AND THROUGHOUT THE CITY. I URGE YOU TO CONSIDER CAREFULLY THE USE OF BICYCLES WHICH I DO EVERY DAY. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. THANK YOU BEING HERE. >> THAT IS OUR FINAL SPEAKER. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: IF I MAY OPEN? THANK YOU. I WANTED TO RECAP A LITTLE BIT OF PROCESS THAT THIS HAS GONE THROUGH. LET ME PREFACE THIS, I SAID IT ONCE, I SAID IT PROBABLY A HUNDRED TIMES, I HATE OUR COMMITTEE. BECAUSE I FIND THEM REALLY USELESS MOST OF THE TIME. I SAY THAT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE EITHER PASS THINGS AS A BODY WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION TO THIS COUNCIL SO WE TALK ABOUT IT HERE FULLY ANYWAY, WITH RECOMMENDATION OR WITHOUT A PASSAGE, WHICH IT'S BEEN RESURRECTED NOW THIS LAST YEAR. WE ALWAYS JUST GET THINGS THROUGH COMMITTEE AND IT COMES TO COUNCIL. THIS ORDINANCE HAS BEEN IN COMMITTEE THREE TIMES. IN COMPARISON WITH ANYTHING ELSE I WITNESSED -- IT HAS STAYED IN COMMITTEE FOR MORE DISCUSSION, MORE EVALUATION AND COMPROMISE THAN ANY OTHER BILL I'VE SEEN. IT WAS DEFERRED MULTIPLE TIMES, IT WAS DEFERRED AT FULL COUNCIL TO HAVE MORE TIME OVER THE BREAK FOR PEOPLE TO HEAR ABOUT IT AND LEARN MORE AND HAVE MORE DISCUSSIONS AND INPUT AND HERE WE ARE. I WANT TO START BY SAYING, THIS HAS HAD QUITE A BIT OF INPUT IN COMPARISON WITH EVERYTHING ELSE. SOME WOULD ARGUE WE SHOULD SLOW EVERYTHING DOWN. THAT COULD BE UP FOR DEPATE, HOWEVER I DON'T THINK THIS HAS BEEN RUSHED ESPECIALLY IN COMPARISON WITH OTHER LEGISLATION. I CONDONE WIDENING TRAIL, I CONDONE IMPROVING THEM. I'M SURE MY A LOT OF MY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE ADMINISTRATION THAT'S SOMETHING WE ARE IN AGREEMENT OF AND WE WANT TO SEE THAT. THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN IMMEDIATELY AND WE NEED MORE FUNDING. I APPRECIATE PEOPLE COMING AND SPEAKING. FOR THE MOST PART, BEFORE THE PETITIONS CAME OUT THE OPEN SPACE ADVISORY BOARD SEEMED RELATIVELY, WE DIDN'T GET A FORMAL LETTER, BUT RELATIVELY ABLE TO SWALLOW THE COMPROMISE THAT CAME FORWARD IN THE COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE. THE MRGCD WAS SOMEONE ELSE IN A DIFFERENT ORGANIZATION I WENT WENT THROUGH AND SPOKE TO THAT I ALSO MADE SURE TO RESPECT AND INCLUDE IN THE COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE SOMETHING THAT HAD BEEN PART OF THE CONVERSATIONS BEFORE. ANY USE OF LAND THAT HAS A JOINT POWERS AGREEMENT, WHETHER IT'S ALONG THE BOSQUE OR U.S. FOREST SERVICE IS NOT GOING TO BE TOUCHED OR CHANGED IN REGARD TO THE LEGALITY AND THE USAGE OF eBIKES OR ANALOG BIKES WHICH SHOULDN'T BE RIDING THERE PER THE ORDINANCE AND AGREEMENT RIGHT NOW. WE'RE RESPECTING THE JOINT POWERS AGREEMENT. THERE'S NO ONE SAYING THAT SHOULD CHANGE OR WE SHOULD GO ABOVE AND BEYOND AND MAKE A SPECIAL USAGE FOR eBIKES OVER ANALOG BIKES. AN eBIKE AS WE DISCUSSED IS A BICYCLE. IT'S THE NEW BICYCLE. THESE ARE NOT THE BIG, BAD DEADLY TERRIBLE THINGS THAT PEOPLE ARE BUYING SO THAT THEY CAN GO OUT AND RACE AND HARM PEOPLE AND DISRESPECT NATURE. THEY'RE USING THESE BECAUSE IT'S THE NEW BICYCLE FOR ALL OF THE REASONS WE HEARD TONIGHT. MY FAMILY DOES USE THEM. SURE FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT THINK THERE'S PERSONAL GAINS, YEAH, THERE IS. WE RIDE eBIKES. WE RIDE ANALOG BIKES, AND ALSO WE HAVE AN ELECTRIC MOTORCYCLE. WHICH IS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS LEGISLATION. IT'S ACTIVELY PROHIBITED IN THIS LEGISLATION BECAUSE ELECTRIC MOTORCYCLES HAVE A HIGHER WEIGHT, THEY HAVE MORE HORSEPOWER. THEY ARE DEFINITELY GOING TO BE DRUKTIVE -- DESTRUCTIVE TO THE TRAILS. THEY SHOULD BE USED SAFELY AND IN AN ORGANIZED FASHION. THEY DO NOT BELONG ON THE OPEN SPACE TRAIL. THAT IS NOT THE BIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEDAL ASSIST. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A THROTTLE THAT GOES A MAXIMUM OF 20 MILES AN HOUR. I HAVE YOUNG KIDS I WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO USE eBIKES AS WELL. GO UPHILL AND DOWNHILL AND USE SOME OF THE OPEN SPACE PERMITTED FOR ANALOG BICYCLE RIDERS TOO. I DON'T THINK WE ARE MAKING CHILDREN LESS SAFE. IF PEOPLE ARE COMING DOWNHILL REALLY, REALLY FAST YOU NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THE ANALOG CYCLEICISTS. WE CAN'T BLAME AN eBIKE OWNER. I WANT TO SAY A COUPLE MORE THINGS. THE 20 MILE-AN-HOUR SPEED LIMIT IMPOSED IS ACROSS THE BOARD. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT CAME DOWN FROM THE ADMINISTRATION IN THE ORIGINAL PROPOSED BILL. IT'S AGREED UPON. BUT THE THING THAT CHANGED IN THAT WAS THAT THE PARKS AND REC DIVISION NOW HAS THE ABILITY IF THIS PASSES TO LOWER THE 20 MILES AN HOUR IF IT'S HIGHLY CONGESTED AREA. IF THERE IS A REALLY NARROW AMOUNT OF SPACE. IF THEY DEEM IT NECESSARY TO HAVE A LOWER SPEED LIMIT ON A CERTAIN TRAIL, PARKS AND REC CAN DO WHAT THEY DO BEST AND THEY CAN MAKE SURE -- ENSURE PEOPLE ARE SAFE OF ALL USER TYPES. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS NOW A POSSIBILITY FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO HAVE. IT ALSO MAKES SURE THAT PARKS AND REC IS ABLE TO GO OUT AND IF THEY FIND -- AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT MULTIPLE MEETINGS. IN ALL FAIRNESS PARKS AND REC CAN GO OUT TOMORROW AND SHUT DOWN ALL THE OPEN SPACE TRAILS. IF THAT'S WHAT THEY DEEM NECESSARY. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE WROTE IN THIS LEGISLATION. IN GOOD FAITH AND COMPROMISE AND WORKING WITH THE PUBLIC AND DIFFERENT DIVISION, WE DISCUSSED THAT PROBABLY IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. THAT PARKS AND REC WANTS TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW SOME OF THESE USERS THAT HAVE eBIKES TO BE ABLE TO USE THE OPEN SPACE TRAILS AS WELL. IF THERE IS THAT CASE OF A SPECIAL TRAIL THAT NEEDS TO BE SHUT DOWN BECAUSE OF THEIR EVALUATION, THEN THEY WILL HAVE THAT ABILITY IN THIS COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE. I DID NOTICE THAT ONE OF YOU HAS A SHIRT AND I LIKED YOUR STORY, I'M SORRY FOR YOUR ACCIDENT, ONE OF YOUR SHIRTS SAYS eBIKING IS NOT A CRIME. RIGHT NOW IN ALBUQUERQUE, IT IS. IT IS ABSOLUTELY A CRIME TO HAVE AN eBIKE. THAT'S INCREDIBLY UNFORTUNATE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CLIMATE AND HOW WE WANT TO PROTECT IT AND IMPROVE IT IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE, IT'S UNFORTUNATE WHEN WE'RE PREACHING EQUITY AND INCLUSION IN EVERYTHING WE DO BUT NOW, eBIKE RIDERS ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH? THAT'S NOT INCLUSIVE AND THAT'S NOT EQUITABLE. IF WE'RE GOING TO END UP TAKING OUT eBIKES FROM THIS LEGISLATION SAYING THEY'RE NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO BE ON OPEN SPACE TRAILS, THEN I HOPE THIS COUNCIL IS PREPARED TO SAY ALL BICYCLES ARE NOT ALLOWED ON ANY OPEN SPACE TRAILS OR PAVED TRAILS ON THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. I SURE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN. RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE PEOPLE CRIMINALS BY OWNING AN eBIKE. THAT'S ABSOLUTELY WHAT WE WOULD BE DOING. WE'RE CRIMINALIZING PEOPLE THAT WANT TO LIVE IN A HEALTHY CLIMATE AND ENJOY IT JUST AS MUCH AS ANYONE ELSE THAT WANTS TO GO ON THE TRAILS AND ANYONE ELSE THAT WANTS TO BE THERE. THEY'RE NOT TRYING TO GO OUT AND TARGET INJURY. THEY'RE NOT TRYING TO GO OUT AND HURT PEOPLE OR THE ECOSYSTEM OR ANY OF THAT. THIS PASSED COMMITTEE AFTER THREE HEARINGS UNANIMOUSLY. IT CAME TO THIS COUNCIL AND DEFERRED. EDUCATION HAS BEEN OFFERED BY SOME OF THE BUSINESSES THAT SELL eBIKES IN ALBUQUERQUE. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I HOPE, ASIDE FROM ONE AMENDMENT THAT I HAVE FOR A TECHNICAL CHANGE TO CORRECT A DEFINITION MISSED IN THE TRAFFIC CODE PASSES WITHOUT ANY ADDITIONAL CHANGES. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-CHAIR. THIS HAS BEEN A SURPRISINGLY CONTENTIOUS -- I'VE HEARD FROM EVERYBODY. I'VE HEARD FROM ALL SIDES. NOBODY'S LUMPED TOGETHER. SENIOR CITIZENS ARE DIVIDED JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER GROUP. I'M SURPRISED HOW MANY DISABLED FOLKS CAME OUT ON THIS, AND I'M GLAD THEY DID. I HAD NO IDEA. BIG THANK YOU TO THE FOLKS THAT PUT TOGETHER THESE PACKETS THAT REALLY BROKE INTO THE RECORD. THERE'S A LOT HERE. I ALSO BELIEVE THAT YOU'VE PUT A LOT OF TIME INTO THIS. I DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT FOLKS UNDERSTAND THAT AS IT IS RIGHT NOW IT DOESN'T OPEN UP EVERYTHING. THERE'S A JOINT SHARED AGREEMENT. AND I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND JUST HOW MUCH OF THE OPEN SPACE IS NOT OWNED BY THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. I DO SEE CAO AND REPRESENTATIVE IN THE AUDIENCE. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK AND PROVIDE CONTEXT ABOUT MRGCD'S POSITION. YOU'VE BEEN OUT THERE FOR A FEW HOURS. YOU SHOULD SPEAK A LITTLE. THANK YOU. FOR FOLKS TO KNOW, I'M TORN ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE. >> COUNCILORS, I'M THE CEO AND CHIEF ENGINEER FOR THE RIO GRANDE CONSERVANCY. COUNCILOR BASSAN, I APPRECIATE YOU CLARIFYING BECAUSE THE BOARD APPRECIATED YOU COMING TO OUR BOARD MEETING. THE EDITS WERE MADE PLAIN. I THINK THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I HEARD CONSISTENTLY. THERE WAS CONCERNS ABOUT ACCESS TO THE BOSQUE. WE APPRECIATE YOU HEARING YOUR CONCERNS. IT IS TRUE, WHAT I MEAN HEARING YOU CONCERN, IF YOU READ SECTION D IT WAS ADDED WHAT COUNCILOR BASSAN SAID THAT ANYWHERE WHERE THERE'S JOINT OVERLAP WITH ANOTHER GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY IS NOT AFFECTED BY THIS. IT IS TRUE THAT MRGC DID PASS AN ORDINANCE. I HAVE THAT ORDINANCE AND I PROVIDED THAT TO COUNCILOR BASSAN AND COUNCILOR BACA. IT'S IN 0708. THE INTENT IS I DON'T BELIEVE MRGCD HAS ANYTHING AGAINST eBIKES AS A WHOLE. ONE OF THE THINGS WE RECEIVED FROM OUR CONSTITUENT BASE IS WE SHARE AN OVERLAP. WE'VE CHOSEN THE PATH TO DEFER WHERE WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW THESE FOR RIGHT NOW WHILE WE CAN ENTER INTO THAT ALONG WITH THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE STAFF AS WE DO THIS ON WHERE WE HAVE JOINT OWNERSHIP. AGAIN, WE THANK YOU FOR THAT. WE THANK YOU FOR THAT PARTNERSHIP. AND BEING GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. I THINK THAT'S JUST WHERE MRGCD IS RIGHT NOW. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO THAT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. I JUST HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS IN REFERENCE TO THIS. I KNOW THE ADMINISTRATION CAME TO ME, AND THERE WAS A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT WERE STILL UNANSWERED AND WE WORKED -- I HAD QUESTIONS AND SOME OF THOSE AREN'T EVEN ADDRESSED. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M LOOKING AT IS FOR ONE THE SPEED LIMIT. WHEN I TALKED TO THE ADMINISTRATION I WAS THINKING ABOUT GOING DOWN IN SPEED LIMITS BECAUSE 20 MILES PER HOUR IS PRETTY DARN FAST. IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN TWO THINGS COLLIDE AT 20 MILES PER HOUR, ONE GOING ONE DIRECTION AND ANOTHER THAT'S A DISASTER WAITING TO HAPPEN. I'M CURIOUS IF YOU HAVE 20 MILES PER HOUR SPEED LIMITS, WHAT DOES ENFORCEMENT LOOK LIKE. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYBODY TO ENFORCE ANY OF THESE RULES WE'RE LOOKING AT. IN ANY WAY. I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE SHAPE THIS THE WAY IT NEEDS SO IT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST AND SAFETY OF EVERYONE WHO IS GOING TO BE USING THE TRAILS. IF YOU HAVE AN eBIKE TRAVELING 20 MILES PER HOUR ONE DIRECTION AND ANOTHER ONE TRAVELING 20 MILES PER HOUR IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION AND THEY TURN THE CORNER AT THE SAME TIME, SOMEBODY IS PROBABLY GOING TO GET KILLED. FOR SURE. THAT IS A MAJOR ACCIDENT. ARE HELMETS ALLOWED? LIKE WE SAID, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO eBIKES IN ANY WAY. AND ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS HOW MANY OPEN SPACE TRAILS WILL BE AFFECTED? IS THERE A WAY -- HAVE WE ALREADY WORKED OUT WHAT'S THE SAFETY FACTOR FOR EACH TRAIL? DEPENDING ON THE WIDTH, DEPENDING ON WHICH DIRECTION THAT TRAIL IS, IF IT'S MOSTLY DOWNHILL MAYBE IT SHOULD BE A ONE-WAY TRAIL WITH ONE-WAY ROUTE. I'M THINKING MORE OF SAFETY ISSUES THAN ANYTHING. WHEN I GET TO THE NITTY-GRITTY, IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE WITH ALL THE DISCUSSION, HAVE THESE THREE QUESTIONS EVEN BIN -- BEEN WORKED OUT? >>COUN. GROUT: WHO IS YOUR QUESTION FOR? >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THE QUESTION ABOUT THE SPEED LIMIT, HELMETS, VEHICLES. THE 40-MILE-PER-HOUR IMPACT. IF THEY'RE TURNING THE CORNER. HAVE ALL OF THOSE THINGS BEEN TALKED ABOUT? IF NOT, MAYBE WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT THOSE THINGS. AND WE PROBABLY HAVE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF WHICH TRAILS SHOULD BE USED, THE EVALUATION OF THE TRAILS THAT ARE APPROPRIATE TO BE USED BY eBIKES AND SUITABLE FOR eBIKES SO THOSE CITIZENS BEST INTERESTS OF THE ZPS IS OUT THERE. THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT. SAFETY ISSUES. CAN YOU ANSWER ANY OF THOSE QUESTIONS? >> SURE. MADAM CHAIR, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HEARING THE LEGISLATION AND FOR THOSE EXCELLENT QUESTIONS. I THINK WE STARTED OFF REALLY WITH THOSE THINGS IN MIND. WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT SITTING STRUCTURE IN PLACE TO MANAGE A USE LIKE THIS. I'LL TAKE YOUR QUESTION IN THE ORDER YOU POSED THEM. TRAILS ARE DESIGNED TO A NATIONAL STANDARD. IT IS 20 MILES PER HOUR. THAT'S FOR THESE MULTI-USE TRAILS. THAT'S A VERY COMMON SPEED ASSOCIATED WITH MULTI-USE TRAILS. I THINK WE DID A LOT OF RESEARCH AROUND THE COUNTRY, PARTICULARLY AROUND THE MOUNTAIN WEST, ABOUT WHAT MUNICIPALITIES OR COMMUNITIES WERE DOING WITH RESPECT TO SPEED. AND WE FOUND FOR THE MOST PART THAT THEY WERE INSTITUTING SPEED LIMITS AND THEY RANGED PRETTY MUCH FROM 15 TO AROUND -- A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN 20. SOMETIMES WE SAW SPEED LIMITS THAT WERE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN 20. IN THAT RESEARCH, WE ALSO LEARNED THAT WHEN THE SPEED LIMITS WERE SET LOWER ON PAVED MULTI-USE TRAILS PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY WAS VIOLATING THE SPEED LIMIT. WE DIDN'T WANT TO CREATE THE WHOLE CLASS OF SPEEDERS THERE. THE 20-MILE-PER-HOUR PROPOSAL WAS BASED ON THE SWEET SPOT. I THINK YOU HEARD FROM REALLY EXPERIENCED MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, A LOT OF ACTIVE RIDERS WHO HAVE RIDDEN FOR YEARS IN DIFFERENT CAPACITIES, EITHER THEY'RE GREAT ATHLETES OR WEEKEND RIDERS THAT -- MOST RIDERS RIDE SLOWER THAN 20 MILES PER HOUR. IT'S HARD FOR ME TO MAINTAIN A CONSISTENT SPEED ANYMORE AT THAT LEVEL. THERE ARE RIDERS WHO RIDE FASTER THAN THAT RIGHT NOW. THEY DON'T LIKE THE 20-MILE-PER-HOUR SPEED. WE DID RESEARCH TO COME UP WITH WHAT WE FELT WAS THE BEST APPROPRIATE SPEED LIMIT. I THINK IT'S -- AS COUNCILOR BASSAN MENTIONED, IN THE BILL COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE THAT WOULD BE A MAXIMUM SPEED LIMIT AND I THINK WE ENVISIONED IF THIS WERE TO BECOME LAW, WE WOULD EXERCISE YOUR PREROGATIVES AND DISCRETION TO INSTITUTE LOWER SPEED LIMITS PARTICULARLY WHERE CIRCUMSTANCES REALLY DICTATED THAT WAS SMART. CONGESTED AREAS, NARROW TRAILS, TRAIL HEADS, ALL KINDS OF PLACES WHERE A LOWER SPEED LIMIT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. THAT'S ONE GOOD AS PECT -- ON UNPAVED TRAILS IF eBIKES WERE PERMITTED ON UNPAVED TRAILS WE GRAVITATE TOWARD A LOWER SPEED LIMIT. I'VE HEARD THOSE THINGS FROM RIDERS WHICH THEY SUPPORT THAT. WITH RESPECT TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT HELMETS. I WILL SAY IN THIS COUNTRY, YOU'RE MOSTLY FREE TO BE AS STUPID AS YOU WANT AND NOT WEAR A HELMET WHEN RIDING A BIKE RANKS UP THERE. THERE'S NO ABSOLUTE REQUIREMENT EXCEPT IF YOU'RE 12 YEARS OR YOUNGER YOU HAVE TO WEAR A HELMET. PARENTS ARE SUPPOSED TO MAKE SMART DECISIONS FOR THE CHILDREN. MOST DO. ADULTS DON'T ALWAYS MAKE SMART DECISIONS FOR THEMSELVES. WE HAVE PROGRAMS TO HAND OUT FREE HELMETS WE TRY TO DO AS MUCH OF THAT AS POSSIBLE. I DO APPRECIATE OUR RETAIL VENDORS IN TOWN WHO WILL NOT SELL YOU A BIKE WITHOUT MAKING SURE THEY'RE TRYING TO SELL YOU A HELMET. THAT'S THE WAY IT SHOULD BE. WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE HELMET USE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE THROUGH EDUCATION. AND FOR KIDS, THEY MUST WEAR A HELMET. WITH RESPECT TO DESIGN, COUNCILOR, YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. THE APPROPRIATE MATCHING USES TO A TRAIL IS VERY IMPORTANT PROCESS HERE. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE ENVISIONED GOING INTO THIS SUBJECT IS THAT THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, BOTH ON PAVED MULTI-USE TRAILS AND OPEN SPACE DIVISION OF THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, IF WE'RE WORKING ON UNPAVED TRAILS WE WOULD BE ASSESSING THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE eBIKES IN THESE LOCATIONS. WE WOULD BE ASSESSING THE DIRECTIONALITY OF SOME OF THE TRAILS WHETHER SHARED USES WERE A GOOD IDEA OR WHERE SEPARATE USES WERE A SMART IDEA FOR eBIKES. I THINK THEY ARE. IN MANY SITUATIONS. WE DEFINITELY WOULD HAVE A ROBUST PROCESS OF LOOKING AT TRAILS WITH INPUT. SO THAT WE COULD COME TO WHAT WE HOPE WOULD BE THE RIGHT SITUATION FOR EACH TRAIL. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: WITH THIS GOING ON -- HAVE YOU GONE OUT AND DONE ANY EVALUATIONS OF ANY OF THE TRAILS AND THEIR APPROPRIATENESS? OR EVEN ONE-WAY? AND DO WE HAVE THAT STUDY ALREADY? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ YES. WE HAVE -- >>COUN. SANCHEZ: OR ARE WE GOING TO WAIT UNTIL SOMETHING HAPPENS AND THEN DO IT? >> WE HAVE BEGUN THINKING ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS SUBJECT FOR A WHILE. IN PARTICULAR WHEN THE COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE WAS PASSED IN THE LUPZ COMMITTEE IT BECAME CLEAR WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT FASTER. WE'VE DONE PRELIMINARY THINKING ABOUT THAT. I THINK IT'S NOT SET IN STONE. WE WOULD WANT TO DO MORE. ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS I WOULD POINT IS SOME OF THOSE DECISIONS WOULD BE LIKE MADE FOR US. SINCE THE BOSQUE TRAILS ARE CLOSED BY THE DESIRE OF THE MIDDLE RIO GRANDE CONSERVANCY DISTRICT UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT THEY MIGHT AGREE TO CHANGE THAT. THAT SITUATION IS ESTABLISHED FOR AT LEAST THE TIME BEING. AND THE UNITED STATES FOREST SERVICE DOES HAVE TRAILS IN THE FOOTHILLS WHERE THEY DO NOT PERMIT eBIKES ON UNPAVED TRAILS. WHERE THEY CROSS OVER INTO OUR OPEN SPACE, WE WOULD CLOSE THOSE TRAILS BECAUSE IT WOULD BE PROBLEMATIC THAT WOULD ENTER THE FOREST SERVICE LAND. WE ALREADY HAVE A GENERAL PICTURE OF HOW SOME OF THAT MIGHT PLAY OUT. I WON'T TELL YOU THAT EVERY MILE OF EVERY TRAIL WE'VE MADE THAT DECISION BUT WE'VE BEGUN THAT THINKING. OF COURSE, WE WOULD, IF AN ORDINANCE IS PASSED, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE WE WOULD ENJOY AND SEEK PUBLIC INPUT AS WE GO AREA BY AREA. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, DIRECTOR. THANK YOU. COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: POINT OF ORDER. I WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND THE MEETING UNTIL 11:30. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF EXTENDING THE MEETING TO 11:30 RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED? VERY GOOD. 11:30. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. >> MADAM CHAIR, I WANTED TO SPEAK TO COUNCILOR SANCHEZ'S QUESTION, IT BRINGS UP A VERY IMPORTANT PIECE TO ALL OF THIS WHICH IS WE VERY MUCH SUPPORT AND BELIEVE IN THE ORIGINAL BILL THAT WE BROUGHT FORWARD AND THANK YOU, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. WE BELIEVE THAT WAS A PREFERRED VERSION. AND THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE LUPZ COMMITTEE. I APPRECIATE AND UNDERSTAND THAT COUNCILOR BASSAN HAS WORKED WITH THE DEPARTMENT ON COMPROMISED LANGUAGE. HOWEVER, AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE RECEIVED QUITE A BIT OF FEEDBACK OVER THE LAST WEEK AROUND THE INFORMATION. FOLKS HAVE BECOME AWARE, I THINK THE SUMMER BREAK AND COMING BREAK ALLOWED FOLKS TO EXPRESS THEY HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT BEING HEARD AND BEING ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THE INFORMATION THAT COUNCILOR SANCHEZ HAD BROUGHT UP AS WELL AS REALLY JUST UNDERSTANDING HOW THIS WILL IMPACT AREAS IN THE OPEN SPACE THAT THEY'RE CONCERNED WITH. WE WOULD PREFER THAT THIS MATTER IS DEFERRED TO ALLOW FOR INDIVIDUALS AND VOICES THAT HAVE BEEN EXPRESSED TO BE CONSIDERED. IF WE CAN FIND A WAY TO MOVE THIS IN A WAY THAT EVERYONE CAN BE HEARD. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-CHAIR. YOU KNOW, I ACTUALLY WOULD LIKE FOR US TO HEAR THIS BILL TONIGHT. I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. AS WE TRY TO GET PEOPLE OUT OF CARS THAT WE GET THEM ON TO eBIKES. I WANT ONE. I HEARD FROM A LOT OF FOLKS IT'S A REALLY GOOD WAY TO GET AROUND. I WANT TO SAY eBIKING IS NOT ILLEGAL IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. YOU CAN eBIKE ON THE ROADS, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER BIKE, THERE'S BIKE PATHS AND BIKE BOULEVARDS AND ALL KINDS OF WAYS TO GET AROUND THE CITY ON AN eBIKE. THAT IS LEGAL NOW. I THINK WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT ABOUT THE COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE THAT COUNCILOR BASSAN WORKED ON IS IT OPENS UP PAVED TRAILS. CLASS ONE, CLASS TWO, CLASS THREE eBIKES. I PERSONALLY SEE NO REASON WHY WE WOULD NOT WANT THAT. THESE ARE PAVED TRAILS. THOSE ARE LARGE, WIDE PAVED TRAILS THAT ARE LOTS OF FOLKS ARE USING. YOU SHOULDN'T BE KEPT FROM DOING THAT BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN eBIKE. THAT IS AN IMPORTANT PART THAT COUNCILOR BASSAN WORKED HARD ON. I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE UNPAVED TRAILS. I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS -- BECAUSE I AGREE IT WAS A VERY LONG PROCESS. AND SHE REALLY DID GO OUT AND MEET WITH THE PUBLIC MORE THAN WE DO ON MOST BILLS. I THINK WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE IS THAT WE WENT FROM THE ORIGINAL BILL, WHICH WAS NO ON eBIKES UNLESS PARKS AND RECREATION SAID YES. AND NOW WE'VE FLIPPED IT, AND WE FLIPPED IT AT THE LAST LUPZ MEETING BEFORE THE BREAK TO YES, UNLESS. I THINK THAT FLIPPED CAUSED CONCERN WITHIN THAT COMMUNITY. WE'VE HEARD FROM A LOT OF FOLKS. I'VE GOTTEN CALLS AND EMAILS AND LETTERS FROM SO MANY CONSTITCH CONSTITUENTS THAT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE UNPAVED TRAILS SPECIFICALLY. I THINK WHEN WE DO NOT HAVE THE OPEN SPACE ADVISORY BOARD WITH US, I THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM. WE HAVE THESE FOLKS WHO ARE EXPERTS WHO GIVE UP THEIR TIME AND ENERGY TO HELP US DEVELOP PROPOSALS AND POLICIES THAT WORK ON OPEN SPACE. AND SO NOT HAVING THAT SUPPORT IS PROBLEMATIC FOR ME. I WILL JUST SAY THAT EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT HAS REACHED OUT TO ME, AND I CAN'T SAY TO OTHERS, IT'S ABOUT UNPAVED. NO ONE HAS A CONCERN ABOUT PAVED. I THINK THERE'S A WAY TO PASS THIS BILL TONIGHT THAT ALLOWS THE PAVED TRAILS TO OPEN UP TO CLASS ONE, TWO, AND THREE EBIKES. AND I'LL MOVE MY FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. THAT IS DESIGNED TO SAY YES TO CLASS, ONE, CLASS, CLASS THREE eBIKES ON PAVED TRAILS. BUT FOR UNPAVED TRAILS WE SHOULD HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY AND WE SHOULD HEAR FROM THE OPEN SPACE ADVISORY BOARD IN A MEANINGFUL WAY. I DO HAVE FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT NOW. THAT IS ON PAGE FIVE, DELETE ITEM A, AND INSTEAD OF THAT, SAY THAT CLASS ONE, TWO, AND THREE eBIKES ARE PROHIBITED UNDER THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE OPEN SPACE TRAIL AND ONLY ALLOWED ON PAVED TRAILS. INSERT A NEW SECTION THAT BASICALLY SETS UP AN ANALYSIS TO DETERMINE IF eBIKES CAN BE ALLOWED ON UNPAVED OPEN SPACE TRAILS. I WILL NOT READ THAT BECAUSE IT'S LONG. IT'S ON THE MONITOR. AND AGAIN, I'LL MOVE THAT AMENDMENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: MOTION AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR BACA. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT? COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I WANT TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY -- WE'RE SAYING ONE USER IS NOT AS GOOD AS ANOTHER USER ON AN UNPAVED TRAIL. I FIND THAT DISCRIMINDISCRIMINA. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A MOTORCYCLE. I FIND IT PROBLEMATIC THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCRIMINATING SHOULD WE DECIDE TO LIMIT ONE TYPE OF USER THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE CONSIDERED THE SAME IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE A NEWER FORM OF TECHNOLOGY. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I JUST WANTED TO ASK OPEN SPACE, HOW MANY TRAILS DOES THIS AFFECT? HOW MANY TRAILS IS THIS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE? DO WE HAVE THAT NUMBER? IT'S OBVIOUS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE ALL OF THE MULTI-USE TRAILS ARE ALREADY OFF-LIMITS. THE BOSQUE AND CERTAIN PLACES UP ON THE MOUNTAINS THAT CRISSCROSS WITH NATIONAL FORESTS. THOSE ARE NOT GOING TO HAPPEN RIGHT NOW. HOW MANY OPEN SPACE TRAILS DOES THIS AFFECT? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR, I DO NOT HAVE THAT EXACT NUMBER FOR YOU TONIGHT BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE TO DO SOME DETAILED CALCULATIONS TO DEDUCT A LOT OF TRAIL MILEAGE THAT WOULD REMAIN CLOSED. BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T MADE A FINAL DECISION ON LIKE WHETHER WE THINK eBIKES WOULD BE APPROPRIATE ON UNPAVED TRAILS. I DON'T THINK I CAN GIVE YOU THE BEST ANSWER. WE DO HAVE ABOUT 165 MILES TOTAL OF UNPAVED TRAIL IN OUR OPEN SPACE SYSTEM. WE WOULD THEN HAVE TO DEDUCT A LOT OF MILEAGE FROM THE BOSQUE THAT WOULD REMAIN CLOSED UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF THE SUBSTITUTE AND THEN WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHERE ELSE WOULD ACTUALLY WE THINK IT'S AN APPROPRIATE ACTIVITY. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE FOR YOU TO DO THE EVALUATION? COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN SAYS WITHIN SIX MONTHS. HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE YOU TO EVALUATE THE TRAILS THAT ARE APPROPRIATE FOR AN ACTUAL eBIKE? >> MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS TRYING TO COMPROMISE. >> IT WOULD BE THE COMPLEXITY OF THE ANALYSIS THAT WE'RE ASKED TO DO. I THINK, LIKE I SAID, THERE SOME AREAS WHERE I THINK WE HAVE A GOOD SENSE OF WHICH DIRECTION WE WOULD GO. NO PUN INTENDED. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YOU A PERCENTAGE OF HOW MANY TRAILS WOULD BE OFF-LIMITS VERSES THOSE THAT WOULD BE FULLY ACCESSIBLE? >> AGAIN, MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR, I DON'T HAVE A FIRM NUMBER FOR THAT. I DON'T ALSO BECAUSE WE WOULD BE SEEKING PUBLIC INPUT ON SOME OF THOSE DECISIONS. TO BE HONEST, I WOULDN'T WANT TO GUESS AT THAT NUMBER. I DO THINK THE NUMBER OF TRAILS THAT WOULD BE UNMITIGATED FULLY OPEN TO eBIKES WOULD BE LESS THAN 50% OF THE REMAINING, CERTAINLY LOT LESS THAN THAT. I JUST CAN'T GIVE YOU A FIRM NUMBER. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: COULD YOU GET THIS DONE QUICKER THAN SIX MONTHS? >> MR. PRESIDENT, AGAIN, IF SOME OF THE DETAILED ANALYSIS CALLED FOR IN THIS AMENDMENT MIGHT BE A LITTLE COMPLICATED TO DO. IT CAN DEPEND ON RESOURCES. SOME OF IT WOULD REQUIRE SIGNIFICANT RESOURCES TO DO THOSE STUDIES. IF IT WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE TRADITIONAL, IF PUBLIC INPUT AND HEARING THE PUBLIC AND MAKING SOME OF THESE ANALYSIS WITHOUT A TON OFT ONEROUS TECHNICAL EVALUATIONS, I THINK WE COULD GET IT DONE IN THAT TIME PERIOD. IT JUST WOULD DEPEND ON RESOURCE AND HOW COMPLEX THE ANALYSIS THAT'S CALLED FOR. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR ROGERS AND THEN YOU CAN CLOSE. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I WITHDRAW MY QUESTION. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I HEARD A COUPLE THINGS THAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT. ONE IS THAT I'M NOT SURE THIS PROPOSAL -- THAT MY AMENDMENT IS MAKING ANY DECISION ON CLASS ONE, CLASS TWO, OR CLASS THREE eBIKES ON OPEN SPACE UNPAVED TRAILS. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S DISCRIMINATORY. WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS SAYING THE PEOPLE HAVE A CHANCE TO HAVE A PUBLIC VOICE IN THIS PROPOSAL. AGAIN, I AGREE, COUNCILOR BASSAN DID WAY MORE HOMEWORK ON THIS THAN I'VE SEEN ON OTHER BILLS. AGAIN THAT PURPOSE OF THIS LEGISLATION FLIPPED AT THE LAST LUPZ MEETING. IT REALLY DID GO FROM THESE ARE NOT ALLOWED UNLESS THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT DETERMINES, TO THEY ARE ALLOWED UNLESS THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT SAYS THEY SHOULD NOT BE. I THINK THAT IS A VERY DIFFERENT PROPOSAL. AND ONE THAT I'VE HEARD FROM HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF HUNDREDS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE THE VOICE. I THINK WE SHOULD GIVE THEM THAT VOICE. I ALSO WANTED TO RESPOND QUICKLY TO THE DIRECTOR'S CLAIM THAT THIS IS SOMEHOW A VERY DIFFICULT ANALYSIS TO DO. I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH WHAT WE ARE REQUIRING IN THIS AMENDMENT. I DON'T THINK IT'S VERY HARD. I WILL JUST LET YOU DECIDE. WE ARE SAYING THAT THEY WILL HAVE A PROCESS TO ANALYZE WHETHER CLASS ONE, CLASS TWO, OR CLASS THREE eBIKES ARE ALLOWED ON THE UNPAVED TRAILS. AND IF AT THE END OF SIX MONTHS THEY'RE GOING TO COME BACK WITH EXECUTIVE COMMUNICATION THAT OUTLINES WHAT THEY DID. WE REQUIRE IT HAVE FOUR PUBLIC MEETINGS SO THAT THE PUBLIC GETS A CHANCE TO HAVE INPUT INTO THIS REALLY IMPORTANT POLICY DECISION. IT REQUIRES THAT THE OPEN SPACE ADVISORY BOARD BE LOOKED AT AND IN A MEANINGFUL WAY THEIR INPUT BE TAKEN INTO THIS POLICY DECISION. AND WE SAY YOU SHOULD PUT AN APPENDIX THAT EXPLAINS WHAT PEOPLE SAID SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT PEOPLE SAID IN THOSE INPUT SESSIONS AND WHAT THE OPEN SPACE ADVISORY BOARD MEMBER SAID IS ACTUALLY BEING CONSIDERED IN THIS -- WHATEVER THIS PLAN LOOKS LIKE. IT COULD BE, I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT COULD BE EVERY SINGLE WAS OPEN TO ALL THREE TYPES OF eBIKES. I DON'T KNOW. I THINK THAT'S THE POINT, WE NEED TO GIVE PEOPLE A VOICE. AND THEN WE ALSO SAY THAT IF THEY DETERMINE THAT eBIKES CAN BE ALLOWED IN SOME SUBSET OR ALL OR NONE OR WHATEVER, IF THEY'RE ALLOWED ANYWHERE, THEY HAVE TO GIVE US A MAP THAT SHOWS WHERE THEY'RE ALLOWED. THERE HAS TO BE A MAINTENANCE PLAN THAT CONSIDERS ANY DAMAGE THAT COULD BE DONE BY eBIKES. AND THEN IT HAS TO HAVE A PLAN FOR TEMPORARILY OR PERMANENTLY CLOSING DOWN ANY UNPAVED PATHS THAT BECOME PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE OF eBIKES. THAT'S ALL THAT'S REQUIRED IN THIS AMENDMENT. I'M NOT SURE I AGREE WITH THE DIRECTOR'S DESCRIPTION THAT IS SOMEHOW A VERY COMPREHENSIVE HARD TO COMPLETE IN SIX MONTHS ANALYSIS. ALL I'M REALLY SAYING IS THE PEOPLE OF ALBUQUERQUE DESERVE TO HAVE A VOICE IN THIS DECISION. WE SHOULD HAVE FOUR PUBLIC INPUT DECISIONS AND WE SHOULD LISTEN TO THE OPEN SPACE ADVISORY BOARD. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN TO CLOSE ON AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. WE WILL VOTE. THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. THOSE OPPOSED SAY NO. THE MOTION FAILS ON A 3-6. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, YOU HAVE ANOTHER AMENDMENT. >> COUNCILOR ROGERS, I DIDN'T SEE YOUR HAND. NO? >>COUN. LEWIS: THAT FAILED 2-7? IS THAT THE RIGHT COUNT? OKAY. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I HAVE -- I BELIEVE THE CORRECT VERSION IS TO PUT UP ON THE SCREEN, I APOLOGIZE FOR THE INCORRECT VERSION EARLIER. A LITTLE CONFUSION ON THE NEW FORMAT FOR AMENDMENT. I'LL MOVE FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. IT SAYS ON PAGE FOUR LINE 24, 25 WE'LL STRIKE THE LANGUAGE AND PUT LANGUAGE THAT CALLS FOR 15 MILES PER HOUR SPEED LIMIT ON TRAILS. AND IT COULD BE LOWER WITH -- IF DECIDED UPON THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT. THE POINT OF THIS AMENDMENT IS REALLY JUST THAT I HAVE VERY, VERY SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT 20 MILES AN HOUR ON TRAILS OF ANY KIND. I WALK MY FIVE-POUND DOG. HE'S SMALL AND OLD AND ABOUT 15 YEARS OLD IF WE GETS HIT BY SOMEONE GOING 20 MILES AN HOUR HE IS GOING TO DIE. ONE VOICE THAT HAS NOT BEEN HEARD TONIGHT AT ALL, WHICH I FIND SAD IS THE DISCUSSION ON WILDLIFE. WE HAVE UNPAVED TRAILS GOING INTO PRISTINE AREAS OF THE OPEN SPACE SYSTEM THAT IS THE HOME OF MANY KINDS OF WILDLIFE THAT LIVE THERE. I THINK THEY CERTAINLY DO NOT TRAVEL 20 MILES AN HOUR AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A HARD TIME GETTING OUT OF THE WAY. I THINK AT LEAST WE SHOULD MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE HONORING EVERYPLACE WHO LIVES IN THE OPEN SPACE AND ALL THE PEOPLE WHO RECKIATE IN IT. I MOVE FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE. >>COUN. LEWIS: NEED A SECOND. SECONDED BY COUNCILOR ROGERS. LERT. COUNCILORS, THIS IS FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE AMENDMENT? DISCUSSION? COUNCILOR GROUT. COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU. DIRECTOR SIMON, DID YOU SAY THE CURRENT SPEED LIMIT IS 20 MILES AN HOUR? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, CURRENTLY THERE IS NO SPEED LIMIT ON OUR TRAILS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: DON'T RUN OFF. WHAT IS ENFORCEMENT LOOKING LIKE? I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ RIGHT. WE DON'T HAVE A SPEED LIMIT TO ENFORCE RIGHT NOW. WHAT I WOULD CALL ENFORCEMENT IS SORT OF ETIQUETTE ENFORCEMENT ON OUR TRAILS. WE WANT USERS TO COEXIST AND THAT'S FUNDAMENTAL AND MOST IMPORTANT THINK OF SAFETY. YOUR QUESTION ABOUT ENFORCEMENT IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. I WOULD SAY THAT IN THE COMMITTEE PROCESS IT WAS A LOT OF QUESTION AND DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT. I WILL TELL YOU FLAT OUT, I THINK EDUCATION IS THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR OF TRAIL USE, SAFETY AND ENFORCEMENT AND COMPLIANCE. WE HAVE A VISION OF A VERY ROBUST OF PUBLIC EDUCATION REGARDING APPROPRIATE TRAIL USE AS IT RELATES TO SPEEDS AND ANY NEW USES THAT eBIKES MIGHT INTRODUCE TO TRAILS. WE WOULD ENVISION AND INTEND SHOULD THIS MEASURE BECOME LAW, WE WOULD INTEND TO INSTALL A SYSTEM OF SIGNAGE THAT IS ACTIVE AND PASSIVE SIGNAGE THROUGHOUT THE TRAIL SYSTEM INCLUDING TRAILHEADS AND PLACES LIKE THAT AND REGULAR INTERVALS THAT WOULD REMIND PEOPLE OF THE RULES OF THE TRAIL. THAT COULD BE DONE A VARIETY OF WAYS. AND NEW TECHNOLOGY GIVES US SOME OPPORTUNITY TO MONITOR SPEED AND FEEDBACK TO RIDERS ABOUT THEIR SPEED. AND OF COURSE THERE IS AN ENFORCEMENT -- LAW ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM TO ALL OF OUR TRAFFIC LAWS. WE DO HAVE -- IF THIS MEASURE WERE TO BECOME LAW, THE ONLY CITATION RELATED ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITIES WOULD BE VESTED IN ARE CONSERVATION OFFICERS AND OTHER APD OFFICERS. I THINK PSAs AND STAFF AND VOLUNTEERS WOULD BE USED TO ENCOURAGE AND EDUCATION COMPLIANCE. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. ONE QUICK COMMENT, AND I WANT A YES OR NO ANSWER. ON COUNCILOR BASSAN'S FLOOR AMENDMENT, THAT ACTUALLY STATES THAT THERE WILL BE AN APPROPRIATE SPEED LIMIT BASED ON THE APPROPRIATE SPEED, CORRECT? >> YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. >> THAT SHOULD ALWAYS BE IN PLACE. >>COUN. LEWIS: AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, QUESTIONS? WE'LL GO TO A VOTE. UNLESS ANYTHING ELSE, COUNCILORS? COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN IS THE SPONSOR. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I REMIND FOLKS THAT 20 MILES AN HOUR IS VERY, VERY FAST. AND WE'VE HEARD FROM SEVERAL PEOPLE TONIGHT THAT WERE INJURED AND -- WE'RE GOING TO HAVE INJURIES AND MALL ANIMALS INJURED. I HOPE IT'S NOT MY DOG BECAUSE I'M GOING TO BE VERY UPSET IF HE GETS HIT. URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. LEWIS: AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO MOVED AND SECONDED. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THOSE OPPOSED, SAY NO. MOTION FAILS ON A 1-8. COUNCILORS, ANY OTHER AMENDMENTS? COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE AT SECTION ONE PAGE TWO AFTER LINE 28 INSERT THE FOLLOWING -- OR CARRIED ON TREADS OR TRACKS INCLUDING THE ELECTRIC ASSISTED BICYCLE OR eBIKE OR AND MOBILITY DEVICES AS DEFINED IN SECTION 5-8-2. I MOVE A DO PASS AND THIS TO GET AHEAD OF IT IS A TECHNICAL AMENDMENT TO MAKE SURE THE DEFINITION MATCHES WHAT WE DID IN THE COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE. >>COUN. LEWIS: MOVED AND SECONDED BY COUNCILOR GROUT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE? CLEAR? COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. LEWIS: THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED NO. MOTION PASSES 9-0. WE'RE BACK ON THE BILL AS AMENDED. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE BILL AS AMENDED? COUNCILOR BASSAN TO CLOSE. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I JUST URGE EVERYONE'S SUPPORT IN MAKING SURE WE DON'T CREATE CRIMINALS OUT OF LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS THAT WANT USE OUR CLIMATE AND RECREATION AREA WHEN WE HAVE OTHER ISSUES OF CRIME FACING OUR CITY. >>COUN. LEWIS: THIS IS O-14 AS AMENDED. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED NO. MOTION PASSES ON AN 8-1. WE'RE NOW GOING TO GO TO O-21. COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. O-21 COMMITTEE SUBAMENDING ARTICLE 12 OF CHAPTER 13 OF THE RE VISED ORDINANCE OF ALBUQUERQUE. TO ALBUQUERQUE MINIMUM WAGE ORDINANCE. JUST WANT TO OPEN BY SAYING THIS IS NOT A MIRROR OF THE STATE LAW. I WANT TO GET THAT OUT OF THE WAY. THIS IS UPDATING OUR ORDINANCE TO MATCH WHAT IS CURRENTLY HAPPENING IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. I DID NOT AGREE TO SPONSOR THIS BILL TO TAKE PAY AWAY FROM WORKERS. AS I KNOW THERE'S AN AMENDMENT COMING UP TO CHANGE TIPPED EMPLOYEES PAY. SO, I'M NOT AT ALL INTERESTED IN REMOVING PAY FROM HARD-WORKING FOLKS IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND SO, I URGE TO PASS AS IS BECAUSE AGAIN THE INTENT WAS TO MAKE SURE WE MATCH WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. IN YOU iPADS THERE'S A BREAKDOWN OF MINIMUM WAGE FROM DIFFERENT CITIES SO YOU CAN COMPARE OUR VERY, IN MY OPINION, LOW MINIMUM WAGE TO THAT OF OTHER CITIES LIKE OTHER CITIES LIKE ALBUQUERQUE. I HOPE YOU WILL LOOK AT THAT. IT SHOWS THE DISPARITY IN WHERE WE ARE COMPARED TO OTHER CITIES. SO, I WOULD URGE YOUR SUPPORT. I MOVE FOR A DO PASS. >>COUN. LEWIS: IT'S MOVED AND SECONDED. ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? >> YES, MR. PRESIDENT. UP FIRST IS DAN FOLLOWED BY CAROL. >> TELL ME WHEN MY TWO MINUTES START. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. VICE-PRESIDENT, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. FIRST, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE HARD WORK YOU PUT INTO THIS. NOT JUST THIS BILL, ALL THE BILLS. WHAT I WANT TO START OFF IS WE OWN GARCIA'S KITCHEN. MY FATHER IS ANDY GARCIA. HE'S THE FOUNDER OF GARCIA'S KITCHEN. I'M HIS SON. WE HAVE 225 EMPLOYEES. WHAT I WANT TO MENTION IS THAT FOR ONE, IF THIS BILL IS TO BE CHANGED, WHICH IT WOULD REALLY HELP OUR COMPANY NOT JUST OUR COMPANY, BUT THE RESTAURANTS IN GENERAL THAT HAVE WAITRESSES AND SERVERS. MOSTLY AROUND THE STATE, THE MINIMUM WAGE FOR SERVERS, WAITRESSES, ARE $3 AN HOUR. HERE IN ALBUQUERQUE, IT'S $7.20 AN HOUR. WE HAVE 30,000 HOURS FOR SERVERS AND WAITRESSES IN OUR COMPANY WHICH IF THEY WERE GETTING $3 AN HOUR WHICH IS $120,000. I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR WE WILL NOT AND DO NOT WANT TO CHANGE PAY RATE. IF THEY GET $7.20 AN HOUR, THEY WILL CONTINUE TO GET $7.20 AN HOUR. IF THIS IS CHANGING IT'S GOING TO BE INCOMING WAITRESSES IN THE FUTURE. I HAVE PAPERS HERE THAT I WAS GOING TO GIVE EVERYBODY, BUT IT'S NOT TOO COMPLICATED FOR YOU. IT'S MEMBER A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH TO HAVE IN TWO MINUTES. SOME OF MY SERVERS ARE MAKING 30-SOME DOLLARS AN HOUR. $27 AN HOUR. $28 AN HOUR. THIS IS WHAT THE SERVERS ARE GETTING PAID. IF SOMEHOW WE WERE TO START PEOPLE AT $3 AN HOUR THAT WOULD GIVE US A CHANCE TO RAISE UP OUR COOKS BUSSERS. >>COUN. LEWIS: GO AHEAD AND FINISH. YOU KNOW, OUR COOKS RIGHT NOW START AT $15 AN HOUR. THAT'S ONLY LIKE $30,000 A YEAR. $31,000. COMPARED TO SERVERS THAT DON'T WORK FULL-TIME. THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE GETTING -- $42,000 HERE, THEY'RE WORKING 1500 HOURS A YEAR. FULL-TIME IS 22,080 HOURS A YEAR. FOR FULL-TIME. YOU KNOW, AT $18 AN HOUR THEY WOULD BE GETTING $37,000 A YEAR. WE'RE REALLY TRYING HARD TO RAISE UP OUR SERVER. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO PUT THE MONEY IN OUR POCKET. BECAUSE OF EVERYTHING GOING ON WE'VE GOTTEN A COUPLE OFFERS TO PURCHASE OUR COMPANY BUT WE CHOOSE NOT TO. IT'S GOTTEN VERY, VERY DIFFICULT NOT JUST CAN SERVERS BUT RAISING UP ALL THE COOKS, RAISING UP EVERYTHING, THE FOOD COSTS. THE PTO, THE PAID TIME OFF AND ALL THIS STUFF IS A LOT MONEY THAT IS REALLY HARD TO STAY IN BUSINESS. I CAN'T EXPRESS ENOUGH HOW MUCH THIS COULD HELP A LOT OF RESTAURANTS. ACTUALLY, WE EVEN OF VENTURING OUT OF ALBUQUERQUE TO OPEN UP RESTAURANTS BECAUSE OF THIS. THAT'S A LITTLE SILLY, SO WE CHOOSE NOT TO DO ANYTHING. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO SURVIVE. WHATEVER YOU CAN DO FOR US, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I'LL ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. THESE ARE TRUE NUMBERS. WE DON'T HAVE NAMES BUT THEY'RE TRUE NUMBERS. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANKS SO MUCH. >> IS THAT IT? NO QUESTIONS. JUST ONE MORE? NO. I DIDN'T WANT TO BE THE FIRST ONE UP HERE. I WAS HOPING IT WOULD BE CAROL. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU. >> TAYLOR FOLLOWED BY LISA. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'M THE CEO OF THE NEW MEXICO RESTAURANT ASSOCIATION. TODAY I STAND BEFORE YOU ON BEHALF OF THE RESTAURANTS OF ALBUQUERQUE TO DISCUSS AN IMPORTANT OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR LOCAL ECONOMY AND THE HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY. WHAT -- WHILE WE HAVE HEARTBURN OVER THE INDEXING INCREASES TO THE MINIMUM WAGE WE'RE WILLING TO ACCEPT THAT CHANGE IF YOU WILL CONSIDER CHANGES TO THE SERVER WAGE IN ALBUQUERQUE. THE TIPS WAGE FOR SERVERS IN ALBUQUERQUE IS $7.20 OR 60% OF THE MINIMUM WAGE. IN SURROUNDING JURISDICTIONS AND THE REST OF THE STATE THE TIP WAGE IS $3. IN ALBUQUERQUE SERVERS EARN BETWEEN 21 AND $33 AN HOUR AVERAGE IN TIPS NOT INCLUDING THE BASE WAGE. COOKS ON THE OTHER HAND EARN BETWEEN $15 AND $19 PER HOUR ON AVERAGE. TONIGHT YOU CONSIDER AN AMENDMENT THAT REDUCES THE SERVER WAGE TO THAT OF THE STATE WAGE. THIS WAGE REDUCTION FOR HIGHLY COMPENSATED SERVERS ALLOWS RESTAURANTS TO PAY COOK AND DISH WASHERS AND ACKNOWLEDGING THEIR HARD WORK TO THE INDUSTRY. LOWERING THE SERVER WAGE PAVES THE WAGE FOR FUTURE GROWTH WITH REDUCED LABOR COST ALBUQUERQUE CAN BECOME A MORE ATTRACTIVE DESTINATION FOR NEW RESTAURANTS LOOKING TO EXPAND. WHILE THE PROPOSAL TO DECREASE THE MINIMUM WAGE FOR SERVERS FROM $7.20 TO $3 MAY RAISE CONCERNS IT'S CRUCIAL TO VIEW IT AS A MEANS TO ACHIEVE A FAIRER DISTRIBUTION OF RESOURCES TO COOKS AND DISH WASHERS. THIS ENHANCES JOB STABILITY, AND CONTRIBUTES TO THE OVERALL ECONOMIC GROWTH BY BRIDGING THE WAGE GRAP BETWEEN FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND BACK OF THE HOUSE EMPLOYEES. STRIKING A BALANCE IN WAGES IS ESSENTIAL FOR THE LONG-TERM STABILITY AND SUCCESS OF THE RESTAURANT INDUSTRY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>COUN. ROGERS: MR. PRESIDENT, I JUST NEED TO CLARIFY. INDEXING IS NOT A PART OF THE PROPOSAL. IT'S ALREADY IN THE CURRENT LAW. I'M NOT INTERESTED IN CHANGING WHAT'S ALREADY IN CURRENT LAW. WE JUST NEED TO BE CLEAR INDEXING IS NOT A PART OF THIS PROPOSAL. IT'S ALREADY IN THE CURRENT LAW. >> THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS THAT WE KEEP IT CONSISTENT WITH THE STATE LAW IS REALLY WHAT THE AMENDMENT WOULD DO? >>COUN. ROGERS: THAT IS EXACTLY IT YES. IT'S ALREADY IN THE CURRENT LAW. >> LISA FOLLOWED BY GEORGE. GEORGE FOLLOWED BY CHRISTINE. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT FOR HAVING US SPEAK. I WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING ABOUT THE MINIMUM WAGE. THERE'S SOMETHING CALLED THE TIP CREDIT. THE MINIMUM WAGE FOR ALL WORKERS IS CURRENTLY $12 IN THE STATE. IF A SERVER OR ANY TIPPED EMPLOYEE MAKES $5 AND THEY DO NOT MAKE $7 IN TIPS THAT MUST BE PAID BY THE BUSINESS. NO ONE EVER MAKES LESS THAN MINIMUM WAGE. I'M A THIRD GENERATION RESTAURANTURE FROM SANTA FE IN 2017 I CAME INTO ALBUQUERQUE. I SUPPORT THE AMENDMENT THAT FIXES THE TIPPED WAGE RATE IN ALBUQUERQUE. BECAUSE IT WOULD REALLY HELP THE WORKERS AND THE BUSINESSES. RESTAURANTS WORK ON LOW BRAUFT MARGIN. LABOR IS THE NUMBER ONE EXPENSE KAUSZING 40% OF THE SALES. WE MUST CONTROL EXPANS INCLUDING LABOR. WE ALL WANT OUR EMPLOYEES TO BE WELL PAID AND HAVE A POSITIVE WORK ENVIRONMENT. OUR SERVERS MAKE WELL OVER $30 PER HOUR IN TIPS ALONE. THESE FOLKS TAKE HOME THE MOST MONEY PER HOUR OFTEN HIGHER THAN THE MANAGERS. IN SANTA FE I PAY MY SERVERS 3 TO $4 AN HOUR AND THEY MAKE $34 ON AVERAGE. ON AVERAGE MY COOKS AND DISH WASHERS IN SANTA FE MAKE $2 MORE PER HOUR THAN THEY DO IN ALBUQUERQUE. THE PURPOSE OF THE MINIMUM WAGE IS SET A FLOOR FOR WAGES AND SUPPORT THE LOWEST SKILLED AND LOWEST PAID WORKERS. THE $7 SERVER RATE IN ALBUQUERQUE IN EFFECT FORCES US TO SUBSIDIZE SOME OF THE HIGHEST EARNING EMPLOYEES AT THE EXPENSE OF THE LOWEST PAID EMPLOYEES AND LOWEST SKILLED. FINALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THE MOST AGGRESSIVE CITIES LIKE SANTA FE HAVE A REASONABLE TIP WAGE. NEW MEXICO LEGISLATURE RAISED THE STATE MINIMUM WAGE IN 2019, THE ISSUE OF THE TIP CREDIT WAS THOROUGHLY DEBATED AND VETTED AND THE VERY PROGRESSIVE LEGISLATURE PASSED THE $3 SERVER WAGE. I BELIEVE YOUR PREDECESSOR PASSED THE MINIMUM WAGE ORDINANCE DID NOT EFFECTIVELY ANALYZE THE CONSEQUENCES OF THIS POLICY. I URGE YOU TO CORRECT THAT THIS EVENING. >> CHRISTINE FOLLOWED BY RUDOLPH. >> GOOD EVENING, I OWN TWO RESTAURANTS IN ABQ UPTOWN. I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF MY MANAGERS, MY KITCHEN STAFF, MY SUPPORT STAFF WHO NUMBER ABOUT 35. IT'S NO SECRET THAT THE HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY IS FACED WITH UNPRECEDENTED LABOR SHORTAGE. COUPLE THOSE WITH SICK LEAVE CHALLENGES AND OUR TEAM MEMBERS ARE WORKING HARDER THAN THEY EVER HAVE AND VERY STRESSFUL CONDITIONS. UNFORTUNATELY, THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE NOT BEING FAIRLY COMPENSATED FOR THEIR HARD WORK DUE TO THE INEQUITY OF THE FAR TOO HIGH TIP WAGE. IT'S SO FASCINATING WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND CONCLUDED THE SAME THING. THE SERVERS MAKE AN INORDINATE AMOUNT OF MONEY. THEY MAKE $20 BEFORE THE TIPPED WAGE. THAT'S IN EXCESS OF $55,000. WE CAN'T STAFF OUR RESTAURANTS BECAUSE EVERYONE WANTS TO BE A SERVER. IT'S ESPECIALLY HARD TO STAFF MANAGERS. WHAT MANAGER IS GOING TO WORK FOR $55,000 WHEN THEIR SERVERS MAKE MORE THAN THEM. AS RESTAURANTS FOR US TO THRIVE WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO PAY OUR KITCHEN STAFF 15 TO $20 AN HOUR. OUR SUPPORT STAFF ARE TIPPED BUT THE BUSKERS AND HOSTS NEED TO MAKE $15 AN HOUR. AND OUR MANAGERS NEED TO MAKE BETWEEN 55 AND 60. THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT IS REDUCE THE TIP WAGE AND REDISTRIBUTE THAT. ANOTHER INTERESTING POINT IS THE INFLATED SERVER WAGE IN ALBUQUERQUE PUTS SMALL ALBUQUERQUE-OWNED BUSINESSES LIKE MYSELF AT A DISADVANTAGE. WE HAVE A TON OF CHAIN RESTAURANTS IN ALBUQUERQUE. CHEESECAKE FACTORY, SEASONS 52. THEY OPERATE ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY WHERE A LOT OF MARKETS PAY $2.10 IN TIPPED WAGE. THEY KEEP THE MENU PRICES LOWER AND WE CANNOT. I ASK YOU TO REDUCE THE WAGE TO $3 AN HOUR. IT'S GOING TO REDISTRIBUTE THE WAGES APPROPRIATELY IN OUR RESTAURANTS AND ALLOW US TO COMPETE WITH LARGER CHAIN RESTAURANTS. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU. >>-- RUDOLPH. >> I COME FROM THREE GENERATION VOLUNTEER FAMILY. WE SCRUB THE FLOORS AT FIVE YEARS OLD. WE HAVE THE GARCIA'S HERE. I REMEMBER WEB WE USED TO DO TO ANDY'S WE WERE LIKE TEN YEARS OLD FOUR YEARS AGO. AND THEY'RE A HARDWORKING FAMILY. IT'S HARD TO GO AGAINST THEM BECAUSE I ALSO DO LABOR UNIONS FOR EMPLOYEES. AND I'M IN THE MIDDLE. I SAY LET'S LEAVE IT WHERE IT IS. LESS IS NOT GOOD. IN THE SENSE THAT 2002 I WAS A WAITER AND WE WERE MAKING $20 A DAY. BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT PROMISED THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A TIP. I HAVE TWO KIDS AND I HAVE A SPOUSE AND I HAVE TO GET THE MONEY THERE. AND THE ECONOMY COLLAPSED AND THE FIRST ONE TO COLLAPSE IS THE WAITER. LET'S CONSIDER THAT INTO THAT ACCOUNT. THIS IS A BUSINESS. YOU HAVE TO KEEP EVERYBODY UP. AND HOW THE TIPS GET DISTRIBUTED IS ANOTHER THING. YOU HAVE TO GIVE IT TO THE KITCHEN. YOU HAVE TO GIVE IT TO THE -- EVERYTHING THE BUSINESS IS NOT GETTING THE WAITOR HAS TO GIVE IT AWAY. IT'S A NEGOTIATION THING WITH THE OWNERS. IF WE GOT PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO SURVIVE, IT'S TROUBLE LIKE THE GARCIA'S, I SEE THEM. THEY DON'T SERVE LIQUOR. YOU DON'T HAVE A LIQUOR LICENSE, THAT'S A DIFFICULT BALL GAME. INYOU HAVE A LIQUOR LICENSE, YOU GET $400 PER NIGHT. THESE PEOPLE ARE JUST TRYING TO GET OUR LOCAL FOOD AND LOCAL ECONOMY GOING. I WILL HEAR THEM. THANK YOU. >> UP NEXT IS ROBERT FOLLOWED BY JOEL. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCIL MEMBERS, I OWN VICK'S COUNTRY KITCHEN ON WYOMING AND CENTRAL. MY SERVERS AT THE RESTAURANT MAKE ANYWHERE FROM 30 TO 35, SOME $40 AN HOUR. AND MY COOK, MY LEAD COOK THAT WORKS 12 HOURS A DAY, MAKES $20 AN HOUR. MY DISH WASHER THAT WORK HARD, THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN WITH ME FOR EIGHT YEARS ARE ONLY $16 AN HOUR. I'VE ACTUALLY HAVE PEOPLE THAT WENT TO SCHOOL TO BE CULINARY ARTS SPECIALISTS, AN EXECUTIVE CHEF, AND THEY TURN AROUND AND WANT TO BE SERVERS. THEY DON'T WANT TO BE COOKS BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE MAKING THE MONEY. IF YOU REDUCE THAT DOWN BACK TO WHERE IT SHOULD BE, THE SAME AS THE STATE, IT WOULD MAKE IT MORE EVEN FOR US TO BE ABLE TO PAY THOSE HARD-WORKING DISH WASHERS AND COOKS MORE MONEY THAN WHAT THEY'RE GETTING THE SERVERS ARE MAKING A LOT OF MONEY. IT'S THE HIGHEST PAID JOB. THEY MAKE MORE THAN I DO. IT'S JUST NOT EQUAL. I FOUGHT -- WHEN THEY CHANGED THIS TO $5.25 AND WENT TO $7.20 AND FOUGHT THEN AND SPOKE THEN THAT IT'S NOT RIGHT. THEY'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE WHOLE PICTURE. THEY SAY HOW CAN THEY LIVE ON $2.70 AN HOUR. THEY'RE LIVING ON THEIR TIPS. 25 TO 35 SOME PEOPLE MAKING MORE. AND WE DON'T SERVE ALCOHOL AND THEY MAKE THAT KIND OF MONEY. IT'S ALL BASED ON THE KIND OF SERVICE THEY GIVE. I HOPE YOU CONSIDER THIS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> JOEL FOLLOWED BY TAD. >> GOOD EVENING ONCE AGAIN, MR. PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, I JUST WANT TO SAY A COUPLE THINGS. CLEARLY, A LOT OF DISCUSSION WITH REGARD TO THE TIP SECTION. I'M MORE CONCERNED AND WANTED TO TALK ABOUT ANOTHER PIECE IN THE BILL ITSELF. WHICH IS 13-12-5 OF THE BILL WHICH IS CALLED IMPLEMENTATION AND ENFORCEMENT. THAT'S ONLY THE PART THAT CONCERNED ME BECAUSE IN HERE THE ORIGINAL SENTENCE IN HERE -- AND UNDERSTAND THE CHANGE IN THERE. BEFORE THERE WASN'T A PROCESS THEREIN FOR BEING ABLE TO ENFORCE THIS. THIS CLEARLY LAYS OUT A WHOLE SYSTEM FOR BEING ABLE TO DO THAT. MY CONCERN IS THIS, IN THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE IT SAYS THE CITY ATTORNEY SHALL ENFORCE THIS ARTICLE. WHEN YOU SEE THE REWRITING OF THE LANGUAGE NOW, THAT IS SAYING BASICALLY WATERED DOWN A LITTLE BIT. IT SAYS NOW THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY OR DESIGNEE SHALL HAVE THE FOLLOWING AUTHORITY, AND IN THERE IT LISTS THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THEY CAN DO IS PROMULGATE RULES AND DO OTHER THINGS. THERE'S NOTHING STATING THEY HAVE TO DO IT OR ACTUALLY HAVE TO ENFORCE IT. WHILE I'M SPEAKING ON THIS BILL AS A PERSONAL CITIZEN, MY UNION IS NOT TAKING A POSITION ON THIS BILL AT ALL, I CAN TELL YOU, MY EXPERIENCE HERE IS THAT IF THERE'S SOMETHING NOT COMPETTING SOMEONE TO DO NOTHING IT WON'T GET DONE. IF YOU WANT TO TAKE CARE OF THAT SAY THEY SHALL PROMULGATE THESE RULES. THANK YOU. >> TAD FOLLOWED BY REGINALD ON ZOOM. >> THANK YOU. OKAY, 1967 -- EXCUSE ME I WAS MAKING 1.49 AN HOUR. AND I WAS HAPPY. I PAID RENT. I HAD ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY RENT. AND FOOD. I REMEMBER GAS FOR 25 CENTS A GALLON. NOW, WHAT IS IT? AS I SEE IT, WHO IS DRIVING PRICES UP? WHEN GOVERNMENTED GET INVOLVED. AND UNIONS. YOU ALL DRIVING -- YOU'RE GOING AFTER THE BUSINESSES. WELL, YOU'RE GOING AFTER THE BUSINESS. SO, THAT'S THE PROBLEM. THESE DAYS WHEN YOU GET OLDER, YOU USE ONLY SOCIAL SECURITY. FACE THE REALITY. STAY AWAY BECAUSE YOU -- [ INAUDIBLE ] YOU ARE SUCH WRONG. THANK YOU. MAKING SENIORS PAY THE PRICE. CAN'T AFFORD THAT. >> MR. PRESIDENT, IT LOOKS LIKE REGINALD DROPPED OFF ZOOM. WE'RE DONE WITH COMMENT FOR THIS ITEM. THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: ALL RIGHT, COUNCILORS. WE'RE BACK ON THE BILL. IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE AMENDMENTS. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. DO YOU HAVE AN AMENDMENT? >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I JUST HAD A QUESTION IN REFERENCE TO THE FOLKS THAT WERE UP HERE. I JUST WANTED TO KNOW, WE'RE AT $7.20 IN ALBUQUERQUE FOR TIPPED EMPLOYEES. I HAVE NOTES THAT SAY LAS CRUCES IS AT $4.95 FOR TIPPED EMPLOYEES. BERNALILLO COUNTY, WHICH IS RIGHT OUTSIDE ALBUQUERQUE IS AT $3. SANTA FE FOR TIPPED EMPLOYEES IS AT $3. AND THE STATE ITSELF IS AT $3. I THINK THE EQUITABLE ACROSS THE BOARD IS BEYOND THE STATE LINE. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I HAVE A FEW AMENDMENTS. I DON'T KNOW IF -- COUNCILOR ROGERS ARE YOU GOING TO MOVE THIS ONE. I HAD A DUPLICATE. MR. PRESIDENT, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE -- I'LL LEAVE THAT ONE FOR COUNCILOR ROGERS. I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. THIS IS ABOUT THE CITY ATTORNEY AND TALKING ABOUT SOME OF WHAT WHAT WAS BROUGHT UP MAYBE NOT IN THE SAME HOPES AND DESIRES. STRIKE E AND F AND RENUMBER THE REMAINING PARAGRAPHS ACCORDINGLY. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. LEWIS: MOTION AND SECOND. DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: IF I CAN EXPLAIN REAL QUICK. THIS AMENDMENT TO STRIKE THOSE TWO SECTIONS, THE PROPOSED BILL GRANTS THE CITY ATTORNEY NEW AUTHORITY TO ENFORCE THE ORDINANCE, THIS REMOVES THE GRANT OF NEW AUTHORITY TO CITY ATTORNEY BUT ALLOWS EMPLOYEES UNLAWFULLY AFFECTED TO BRING CAUSE OF ACTION. >>COUN. LEWIS: MOVED AND SECONDED. DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT? COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR OUR LEGAL TEAM. THIS DOESN'T INCLUDE ANY LANGUAGE THAT SAYS THE CITY ATTORNEY OR THE DESIGNEE SHALL ENFORCE. SO, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS DOESN'T -- THIS WOULD MEAN THE CITY COULD NOT ENFORCE? >> COUNCILOR LEWIS, COUNCILOR ROGERS, THE ORDINANCE THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS SAYS THE CITY ATTORNEY SHALL ENFORCE. THAT LANGUAGE WAS STRICTEN IN THE COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE. THIS AMENDMENT PROPOSED BY COUNCILOR BASSAN DOES NUT -- IT'S UP TO THE AUTHORITY OF THE CITY ATTORNEY I HAVEN'T INVESTIGATED WITH OUTSIDE OF THE CITY ATTORNEY MAY HAVE OUTSIDE OF WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED RIGHT NOW. >>COUN. ROGERS: MR. PRESIDENT, THAT MEANS THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO ENFORCE. IF WE DON'T ADD THAT LANGUAGE. >> I DON'T KNOW IF THE LIMITS TO WHICH THE CITY IS ABLE TO ENFORCE. IT DOES NOT REQUIRE THE ATTORNEY TO ENFORCE WHICH WAS THE LANGUAGE THAT PREVIOUSLY EXISTED. >>COUN. ROGERS: MR. PRESIDENT, READING THROUGH AMENDMENTS, I DON'T WANT -- I WANT TO WITHDRAW. I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO WITHDRAW. >>COUN. LEWIS: WITHDRAW THIS AMENDMENT? >>COUN. ROGERS: WITHDRAW THE WHOLE BILL. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, THERE IS AN AMENDMENT ON THE FLOOR. >>COUN. LEWIS: WE HAVE AN AMENDMENT ON THE FLOOR THAT TAKES PRECEDENCE. WE'RE ON AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE? -- >>COUN. ROGERS: THAT THE CITY HAS TO ENFORCE. >>COUN. LEWIS: AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT. WE HAVE THE LANGUAGE TO THAT? COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I WOULD BE AMICABLE TO STRIKE THE NEW LANGUAGE AND THEN GO AHEAD TO BRING BACK THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE THAT EXISTED OR THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS. AND MAKE SURE IT GOES BACK TO WHAT IT IS. >>COUN. ROGERS: MR. PRESIDENT, I THINK WE HAVE AN AMENDMENT PREPARED FOR THAT. >>COUN. LEWIS: THAT WOULD REQUIRE WITHDRAWING THIS AMENDMENT, AND CREATING A NEW AMENDMENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S NECESSARY. I WOULD BE WILLING TO KEEP MY AMENDMENT, TO STRIKE ALL OF THESE TWO SECTIONS IN THIS PROPOSED BILL AND ALSO HAVE STAFF ADD TO THIS AMENDMENT. AND ADD BACK IN THE PREVIOUS LANGUAGE REGARDING THE CITY ATTORNEY. WHATEVER THAT CLAUSE -- HOWEVER THAT READS, I'M OKAY ADDING THAT TO THIS AMENDMENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: OKAY, YOU GOT THAT? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, YES. I UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS. I MAY HAVE JUST BEEN HANDED IT. I'M SORRY, I UNDERSTAND WHAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED BY THE COUNCIL. I BELIEVE IT MAY HAVE BEEN HANDED TO ME. GIVE ME A MOMENT TO REVIEW. IF -- >>COUN. LEWIS: IF WE WANT TO JUST -- I THINK WE STATED IT. IF ANY COUNCILOR NEEDED THAT RESTATED, WE COULD MAKE THAT AMENDMENT ON THE FLOOR AS WE'VE AMENDED IT. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT MR. MORROW IS TALKING ABOUT AS FAR AS THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT. I AM WILLING TO TAKE MY AMENDMENT, AND STRIKES THE TWO SECTIONS E AND F ON THIS BILL AND ALSO ADD IN THE PREVIOUS LANGUAGE REGARDING THE CITY ATTORNEY AND HOW THEY SHALL ENFORCE. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OTHER AMENDMENT. I'M WILLING TO CHANGE MY AMENDMENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: I THINK THAT'S CLEAR. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT EXACTLY IS BEFORE US AND IF WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. IT CAN WE WRITTEN UP, THAT'S GREAT. IF NOT, I THINK WE UNDERSTAND IT. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, IF COUNCILOR ROGERS IS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO WITHDRAW, I WILL WITHDRAW THIS AMENDMENT. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR BASSAN. I THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO GIVEN THE -- WE HAVE TO RESOLVE THE AMENDMENT. I THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. >>COUN. LEWIS: STAFF IS WORKING ON SOME THINGS. COUNCILOR BASSAN, YOUR MOTION RIGHT NOW IS WITHDRAW THE AMENDMENT. THAT OVERRIDE IT. OKAY. COUNCILOR BASSAN MOVED WITHDRAW OF AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. SECONDED BY COUNCILOR ROGERS. DISCUSSION ON WITHDRAWAL? ALL RIGHT. THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE WITHDRAWING AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. OPPOSED NO. MOTION PASSES ON 8-1. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I MOTION TO WITHDRAW THE BILL. O-24-21. >>COUN. LEWIS: IT'S MOVED AND SECONDED. WITHDRAW OF O-24-21. DISCUSSION ON WITH THE DRAWL? -- WITHDRAWAL? >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE TO BE CLEAR THAT BY WITHDRAWING THIS BILL WE KEEP THE CURRENT PARAMETERS OF $7.20 FOR MINIMUM WAGED. WE DO NOT GO BACK TO THE STATE LEVEL. WE DON'T DO ANY OF THAT TONIGHT. WE JUST STOP RIGHT NOW? >>COUN. LEWIS: I'M GOING TO POSE THAT. BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S SOME OTHER AMENDMENTS THAT I THINK WOULD BE BETTER. >>COUN. ROGERS: MR. PRESIDENT, WE NEED TO VOTE ON THE MOTION FIRST. >>COUN. LEWIS: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION TO WITHDRAW? COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: AGAIN, I THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO GIVEN THE STAKES FOR TIPPED EMPLOYEES TO BE BROUGHT BACK THEIR PAY TO BE BROUGHT BACK BECAUSE NOTHING IN THE AMENDMENT SAYS THEY'RE GRANDFATHERED IN. IT JUST SAYS TIPPED EMPLOYEES WOULD BE PUT BACK TO $3 AN HOUR. I THINK GIVEN THE STAKES WE CAN WORK AS A TEAM. I'M SORRY -- I WANT EVERYONE TO HEAR THIS. WE CAN WORK AS A TEAM TO GET THIS RIGHT BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: MOTION IS FOR WITHDRAW. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES. OPPOSED, SAY NO. THE MOTION FAILS ON A 4-5. OTHER AMENDMENTS PROPOSED? COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT. I GUESS WOULD BE AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE. >>COUN. LEWIS: THIS IS TWO OR ONE. AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. >>COUN. GROUT: OKAY. COULD YOU PUT THAT ON THE -- BOARD. THANK YOU. FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO, ON PAGE TWO LINE 14, STRIKE THE WORD CITY AND BEGINNING ON PAGE TWO LINE FIVE STRIKE ORDINANCE BY THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE BY NEW MEXICO STATE LAW OR FEDERAL LAW AND REPLACE IT WITH SPECIFIC IN THE ARTICLE. BASICALLY, THIS IS TO CHANGE -- THIS AMENDMENT WOULD STRIKE THE CITY'S MINIMUM WAGE AND ADOPT THE STATE NEW MEXICO MINIMUM WAGE SO THAT WE ARE THE SAME AS THE STATE. >>COUN. LEWIS: IT'S MOVED AND SECONDED BY COUNCILOR BASSAN. BACK TO COUNCILOR GROUT IF YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN IT MORE OR IF THERE'S DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT. COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. JUST MAKING SURE I UNDERSTAND THE AMENDMENT, THIS WOULD STILL CUT PAY FOR TIPPED EMPLOYEES. TAKING THEM FROM $7.20 TO $3 AN HOUR? I'M WANTING TO BE SURE WE'RE VOTING TO TAKE AWAY PAY FOR WORKERS. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILORS, OTHER DISCUSSION? COUNCILOR CHAMPINE FIRST. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I WOULD LIKE TO SUSPEND THE RULES TO EXTEND THE MEETING. I'M GOING TO GO BOLD AND SAY 1 O'CLOCK. >>COUN. LEWIS: GOING TO AMEND THAT AND SAY 12:30. SEE IF WE CAN DO IT. ARE YOU COOL WITH THAT? MOTION AND SECOND TO EXTEND THE MEETING TO 12:30. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED NO. 8-1 WITH COUNCILOR BACA IN THE NAY. WHERE ARE WE AT? WE'RE BACK ON -- THIS IS AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. AND WE GO TO COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS. I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH THIS. BEYOND THE TIPPED WAGE, THE TIPPED EMPLOYEES, DOES THIS CHANGE THE PAY FOR ANY OTHER EMPLOYEE IN ALBUQUERQUE? >>COUN. GROUT: NO. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: OKAY. WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT FOLKS LIVING ON TIPS SHOULD HAVE THE SAME MINIMUM WAGE AS THE REST OF THE STATE, EVEN THOUGH WE, BY FAR, HAS THE MOST EXPENSIVE COST OF LIVING IN ALBUQUERQUE. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT SOMEONE CAN LIVE OFF LESS INCOME IN RURAL NEW MEXICO THAN IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. I WAS LISTENING TO THOSE NUMBERS THROWN OUT A WHILE AGO TALKING ABOUT HOW IT'S INORDINANT MONEY THAT FOLKS ARE MAKING 52 TO 55K A YEAR. I HONESTLY DON'T HOW TO LIVE ON 52K A YEAR. I THINK MOST FOLKS DON'T. I JUST HAVE A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING WHY WE WOULD SAY WE SHOULD BE LIKE THE REST OF THE STATE, DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THE REST OF THE STATE HAS A MUCH LOWER COST OF LIVING THAN THE LARGEST CITY IN THE ENTIRE STATE. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: SURE. CERTAINLY, I THINK WE CAN SAY SANTA FE HAS HIGHER COST OF LIVING AND OTHER PARTS OF THE STATE THAT AS WELL AS LOS ALAMOSES AND OTHERS. >>COUN. GROUT: LISTENING TO -- YOU KNOW WHEN WE GO OUT AND EAT AT RESTAURANTS AND WE'RE WAITING ALL THE TIME. WE'RE WAITING BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH STAFF IN THE BACK TO COOK. WE'RE WAITING FOR OUR FOOD. I UNDERSTAND THE BUSINESS ASPECT OF MAKING YOUR BUSINESS WORK. SO IT WORKS IN ALL CATEGORIES. IT'S HARD TO -- WE NEED TO BE PAYING THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE SCRUBBING THE FLOORS AND DOING THOSE THINGS TOO. THEY DESERVE TO BE PAID BETTER. AND IF THEY -- FROM WHAT THEY HAVE TOLD US, IT'S HARDER FOR THEM TO DO THAT BECAUSE THERE ISN'T THAT PROFIT MARGIN THAT THERE USED TO BE. I FIND THAT TO BE DISTURBING TOO. I THINK THAT THE MORE THAT COSTS GO UP, MY COST AT MY BUSINESS HAVE GONE UP ASTRONOMICALLY IN THELASH FEW YEARS AND I HAD TO RAISE PRICES, I'M NOT MAKING MORE MONEY AND MY CUSTOMERS ARE HAVING TO PAY MORE. I UNDERSTAND BOTH SIDES. I THINK THAT SOMETIMES WE WANT TO MIRROR THE STATE, AND THEN OTHER TIMES WE DON'T. I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHY ONE TIME IT'S OKAY, AND THEN ANOTHER TIME IT'S NOT. I THINK I KNOW SOMETIMES WHEN YOU HAVE BUSINESSES THAT ARE DOING BUSINESS IN SANTA FE, AND THEN YOU COME DOWN HERE AND YOU HAVE DIFFERENT RULES, WHEN YOU DIDN'T ANTICIPATE THAT OR DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE DIFFERENT THAT IS GOING TO AFFECT THE BOTTOM LINE. AND THAT MAKES IT DIFFICULT TO STAY OPEN. WE NEED TO BE FRIENDLY, BUSINESS FRIENDLY AND ENCOURAGING AND SO THEREFORE THAT IS WHY I BROUGHT THIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: DISCUSSION ON AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO? COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I'VE BEEN A SERVER, MY BROTHER WAS A CHEF AND A COOK. THIS IS PITTING WORKERS AGAINST WORKERS. RESTAURANTS CAN CHOOSE TO PAY PEOPLE MORE. BUT TO HEAR US TALK ABOUT PROFITS OVER PEOPLE -- I JUST DON'T AGREE THAT WE AS A BODY SHOULD BE REMOVING PAY FROM WORKERS WHO ARE ALREADY STRUGGLING. ESPECIALLY DURING THE PANDEMIC. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY RESTAURANTS, SOME OF THOSE THAT ARE HERE TALKED ABOUT SUPPORTING THEIR SERVERS DURING THE PANDEMIC. BECAUSE THEIR SERVERS AND COOKS AND DISH WASHERS DIDN'T HAVE WHAT THEY NEEDED. SO, TO SAY THAT ON ONE SIDE AND THE NEXT -- BUT THEY CAN HANDLE A PAY CUT OF ALMOST $8,000 PER YEAR IN A TIME WHERE ALL OF OUR COSTS ARE HIGHER. NOT JUST BUSINESS OWNERS. OUR COSTS OF AVERAGE WORKERS AND GROCERIES AND RENT AND ALL OF THE THINGS THAT FOLKS AREN'T GETTING RELIEF FROM, WE JUST TALKED ABOUT HOMELESSNESS. THIS COULD POTENTIALLY MAKE THAT GO UP FROM FOLKS NOT BEING ABLE TO GET THAT TYPE OF A PAY CUT. I DON'T AGREE WE SHOULD PIT WORKERS AGAINST WORKERS. I KNOW FROM WORKING IN THE INDUSTRY COOKS DON'T GET CUT THE SAME RATE THAT SERVERS DO WHEN IT'S NOT BUSY. THAT DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE PAY THEY LOSE EVERY TIME THEY'RE CUT EARLY FROM A SHIFT THAT COOKS DON'T NECESSARILY ALWAYS GET CUT THE SAME WAY. I THINK FOR ME WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON TODAY IS TAKING AWAY PAY. AND THERE'S NOTHING IN ANY OF THESE AMENDMENTS JUST LIKE THE RESTAURANTURES SAID WE SHOULD GRANDFATHER PEOPLE INTO THIS AND SAY IF YOU'RE A SERVER YOU DON'T GET YOUR PAY CUT, THAT'S NOT IN THIS AMENDMENT. THAT MEANS YOUR STAFF WILL GET PAY CUT. AND I CANNOT SIT HERE AND CONTINUE TO HEAR ABOUT PROFITS OVER PEOPLE. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. A ROUGH BREAKDOWN OF A BUSINESS OWNER, I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT CAME INTO THIS PROFIT OVER PEOPLE. YOU'RE TALKING OF 100% OF YOUR BREAKDOWN 35% IS LABOR, 35% IS INVENTORY, 15% IN REPAIRS. WHEN YOU BREAK IT DOWN 5% OF THE MONEY YOU BRING IN GOES TO PROFIT. 70% OF YOUR MAKE UP OF YOUR BUSINESS. I DON'T AGREE IT'S PROFIT OVER PEOPLE. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT STRUGGLING BUSINESSES BECAUSE OF INFLATION, YOU'RE TRYING TO MISTAKE IT EVEN ACROSS THE BOARD SO THEY CAN. NOW THE STATE LAW OF $3 RIGHT NOW, AND AGAIN, LIKE COUNCILOR GROUT SAID THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT MIRROR THE STATE SO MUCH, YET THIS ONE IS DIFFERENT. I THINK WE GO ALONG WITH THAT, IF YOU WANT TO MIRROR THE STATE MIRROR IT LIKE THIS. IF A BUSINESS WANTS TO PAY THEIR PEOPLE $7.20, THEY CAN GO ABOVE THE MINIMUM WAGE. THEY'RE ALLOWED TO. WHAT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO DO -- THAT ARE STRUGGLING. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR GROUT TO CLOSE. COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, JUST SEEING THIS PUT FORTH, I THINK WE DID A LOT OF DUE DILIGENCE TO GET IT TO WHERE IT WAS. ORIGINALLY, I UNDERSTAND THE PLIGHT OF THE RESTAURANT PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WITH COUNCILOR ROGERS PUTTING THIS BILL FORWARD. I WAS VERY CONCERNED OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENING BECAUSE IT'S OPENED UP, YOU OPEN IT UP. I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OF THINGS. WE HAVE HOME RULE IN ALBUQUERQUE. I THINK THE FEDERAL MINIMUM WAGE JUST OVERALL IS LIKE $3 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THE REASON THAT WE HAVE HOME RULE IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE IS BECAUSE WE HAVE DIFFERENT NEEDS AND DIFFERENT ISSUES AND JUST LIKE COUNCILOR ROGERS SAID THE ECONOMY HERE IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE LARGEST ECONOMY OUTSIDE OF LIKE LAS CRUCES OR WHATEVER IN THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO. WE REALLY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE COMPETITIVE. I DID TALK TO ONE OF THE RESTAURANT OWNERS AND TALKED ABOUT I HAVE GRANDSON WHO WORKS AT STARBUCKS AND THEY'RE MAKING $16 AN HOUR PLUS THEY'RE MAKING TIPS. WHICH I DID SAY THAT THEY'RE MAYBE PART OF THE REASON SOME OF THE SMALL RESTAURANT OPERATORS ARE STRUGGLING IS BECAUSE THERE'S ALL THIS COMPETITION WITH THE WAGES BEING PAID. HE'S IN HIGH SCHOOL. I'M LIKE YOU MAKE A LOT OF MONEY WORKING THERE. THAT BEING SAID, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT AGAIN, COST OF LIVING, WE HAVE THE HOME RULE IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. THAT'S IMPORTANT. JUST BECAUSE THE STATE IS DOING SOMETHING, I THINK WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ADDRESS THE NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY IN CERTAIN WAYS. IN A VARIETY OF WAYS IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. MY CONCERN WITH THIS AMENDMENT, EVEN THOUGH I UNDERSTAND COUNCILOR GROUT AND I APPRECIATE HER AND I JUST HAVE CONCERNS THAT THIS AMENDMENT HADN'T BEEN PREVENTED AND WE HAVEN'T HAD AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE TIPPED WORKERS TO COME AND VOICE THEIR CONCERNS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE RECEIVING A TREMENDOUS DECREASE IN WAGES. THE FACT THAT THIS AMENDMENT WAS PUT FORTH TODAY, I HADN'T SEEN IT UNTIL TODAY. I HEARD SOMEBODY MAY BE PUTTING FORTH AN AMENDMENT LIKE THIS, I THINK WE NEED TO GIVE IT AN OPPORTUNITY. I SUPPORT LEAVING IT THE SAME. THAT'S WHAT I SUPPORT. I THINK THE BILL SHOULD BE LEFT ALONE. I WOULD LOVE FOR IT TO BE WITHDRAWN. I THINK -- I KNOW WE'RE ALWAYS SAYING WE HAVE TO DEFER A BILL BECAUSE THE TITLE HAS CHANGED. THIS AMENDMENT SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGES THE INTENT OF THE BILL THAT WAS PUT IN FRONT OF US. I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION A DEFERRAL. >>COUN. LEWIS: AMENDMENT -- MOTION AND SECOND FOR DEFERRAL. MOTION AND SECOND FOR DEFERRAL. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. HOW LONG? >>COUN. PEÑA: FOREVER. NO, UNTIL THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. >>COUN. LEWIS: MOTION AND SECOND FOR DEFERRAL. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES. OPPOSED NO. MOTION PASSES ON A 5-4. ITEM G. THIS IS O-23. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THIS IS O-23 AMENDING THE TRAFFIC CODE TO IMPLEMENT STANDARDS FOR SHARED TRANSPORTATION PROGRAMS AS IT RELATES TO OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY SETTING PERMIT FEES AND SETTING ADMINISTRATION TO UPDATE THE REGISTRATION PROCESS. I MOVE A DO PASS. I HAVE AN AMENDMENT AND WE CAN GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: WANT TO GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST? HOW MANY COMMENTERS DO WE HAVE? LET'S GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> FIRST UP IS ROBERT FOLLOWED BY PATRICK. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCIL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. I WORK AT LINE WHICH IS THE LARGEST TRANSPORTATION VEHICLE COMPANY IN THE WORLD. RIGHT AROUND 260 CITIES WORLD WIDE. I'M HERE TO SUPPORT THIS AMENDMENT. AND I WANT TO JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT, I DON'T WANT TO BE TOO SLOW BECAUSE I KNOW HOUR SIX-ISH. WE'RE REALLY HERE BECAUSE WE WANT TO INVEST IN ALBUQUERQUE AND JOBS AND SHARED ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION. SUSTAINABLE TRANSPORTATION, FIRST LAST MILE. AND WE WANT TO BRING THIS PROGRAM, THIS CRUCIAL AMENITY TO THE CITY. WITH THE CURRENT STRUCKTURE THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE. REALLY FOR ANY BUSINESS. IT SITS AROUND $155,000 A YEAR. WHICH IS OUTLIER. THAT WOULD BE THE MOST EXPENSIVE PERMIT FOR US AT THIS SIZE. WE'RE SEEING OTHER CITIES AMEND THEIR EXISTING ORDINANCES. WINSTON-SALEM DID THIS. TO BRING IT IN LINE WITH OTHER CITIES. AND I THINK WHAT WE'RE SEEING, AND ONE OF THE REASONS I'M HERE IS LIME NEVER OPERATED IN ALBUQUERQUE. WE'RE HAVING 3,000 TIMES JUST THIS YEAR OF PEOPLE OPENING THE LIME APP IN ALBUQUERQUE. LOOKING FOR LIME TO TRAVEL AROUND THE CITY. THEY WANT THE SERVICE. THEY WANT TO USE THE SERVICE TO GET AROUND THE CITY. SPECIFICALLY THOSE FOLKS WITHOUT ACCESS TO VEHICLES. UNBANKED, LOW INCOME FOLKS ARE LOOKING FOR THESE VEHICLES. I JUST WANT TO REITERATE MY SUPPORT FOR THE PROGRAM. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SERVICE OR WHAT THIS WOULD PROVIDE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> PATRICK FOLLOWED BY BENJAMIN. >> HELLO, AGAIN, CITY COUNCIL. I'M CLAR OF BIKE ABQ. BIKE ABQ DOES SUPPORT BIKE SHARE AND SCOOTER SHARE IN ALBUQUERQUE. IT'S CRUCIAL WAY FOR PEOPLE TO GET AROUND IF THEY DO NOT OWN A BIKE OR SCOOTEDER OR LEFT IT AT HOME. OF COURSE WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THESE THINGS CAN BE A NUISANCE WHERE THEY END UP WHERE THEY AREN'T MAINTAINED WELL. WE APPRECIATE THAT THE ORDINANCE DOES HAS A CONSIDERATION FOR THAT IN THERE. WE THINK THIS IS A GOOD ORDINANCE. AND WE SUPPORT HAVING -- I THINK IT'S EASIER TO SHARE IN ALBUQUERQUE. THANK YOU. >> BENJAMIN FOLLOWED BY DIANE ON ZOOM. >> THANK YOU, GUYS FOR, FOR TAKING A MINUTE TO LISTEN TO ME. I ASK THAT YOU PLEASE SUPPORT O-23 FOR ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION IN ALBUQUERQUE. THIS BILL WILL MAKE BICYCLE eBIKE AND SCOOTER SERVICES AVAILABLE IN ALBUQUERQUE FOR A SHORT TRIP AND LESS AMOUNT OF TRANSPORTATION. THESE SERVICES ARE NECESSARY FOR PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE THE MEANS TO AFFORD A CAR. VISITING FROM OUT OF TOWN AND CAN'T STORE -- OR VISITING WHERE CARS AND PARKING IS LIMITED SUCH AS WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. THERE ARE A LOT OF BENEFITS TO ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION. SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE REDUCED CONGESTION AND BETTER PUBLIC HEALTH AND REDUCED TRAFFIC NOISE. I HEARD ABOUT REDUCED TRAFFIC NOISE. I SUPPORT THAT. ALSO EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST AN INCREASE IN CONSUMER SPENDING FOR RESTAURANTS AND POSSIBLY OTHER SIMILAR SERVICES WITH ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION. AND IT REDUCES COST TO COMMUTERS WHILE BRINGING IN FUNDS TO THE CITY VIA ALL THE FEES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. THE MODIFICATION PRESENTED IN THIS BILL WILL MAKE COST FOR ADMINISTERING THE SERVICES SIMILAR TO OTHER CITIES. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. REQUIRE COMPANIES TO HAVE ON-SITE MAINTENANCE AND COLLECTION TEAMS. WHICH WILL HELP ENSURE THE COMPANIES FLEETS ARE KEPT IN MARKET CONDITION AND AVAILABLE FOR USE AT A SITE AND MOBILITY STATION. IT WILL PLACE LIMITS ON THE SIZE OF EACH COMPANY'S FLEET. WHICH ENCOURAGES COMPANIES TO MONITOR THEIR FLEETS. AND IT SUPPORTS EQUITY AND TRANSPORTATION BY REQUIRING AT LEAST 20% OF FLEET DEPLOYMENT TO BE IN SOCIALALLY VULNERABLE AREAS. IT REQUIRES -- IN ORDER TO RESTRICT THE VEHICLE USAGE. >> DIANE FOLLOWED BY RICHARD. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCILORS. I LIVE DOWN IN THE SOUTH VALLEY. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. ALSO FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. I GUESS IT'S STILL TONIGHT. IT FEELS LIKE MORNING. AS THE CHAIR OF THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE OF THE RIO GRANDE CHAPTER OF THE SIERRA CLUB. WE REPRESENT ABOUT 10,000 MEMBERS IN OUR STATE. AND MOST OF THEM ARE IN A GOOD BIT OF THEM ARE IN ALBUQUERQUE. WE'D LIKE TO SAY PLEASE SUPPORT THIS BILL. eBIKES OR BIKE RENTALS AND SPEEDERS ARE GREAT WAY TO GET AROUND TOWN. THEY'RE LOW CARBON AND THEY'RE FUN TO BE ON. HEY, THIS IS CHANGING FEES, IT'S A BUSINESS POSITIVE MOVE YOU CAN MAKE TONIGHT. IT WILL HELP PEOPLE GET AROUND OUR TOWN AND HELP OUR VISITORS HAVE A FUN TIME AND STAY A LITTLE BIT MORE OF OUR CITY. PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT THIS. I HOPE YOU ALL CAN FIND A WAY TO SUPPORT IT. WE THANK COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD. WE LOVE TO HAVE THESE SCOOTERS AND BIKE RENTALS MORE IN PLACE IN OUR CITY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> NEXT IS RICHARD. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, I JUST WANT TO ECHO EVERYTHING THAT DIANE JUST SAID. HAVING SHORT-TERM RENTALS OF BICYCLES AND SCOOTERS WILL REALLY FACILITATE BOTH RESIDENTS AND VISITORS TO GET AROUND TOWN AND FOR THE TOURISTS TO ENJOY THE CITY. IT'S LOW CARBON, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A NO-BRARN. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT FOR THIS BILL. THANK YOU. >> THAT CONCLUDES COMMENT ON THIS ITEM. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. ADMINISTRATION, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING? >> MADAM VICE-CHAIR. I THINK WE SUPPORT THE BILL AS COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN IS PLANNING TO AMEND. AND APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT WENT INTO THIS. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, I'LL MOVE COMMITTEE -- FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. ON PAGE FOUR STARTING ONLINE 31 REVISE THE SECTION AS FOLLOWS. THIS IS UNDER OPERATIONAL REQUIREMENT. WE'RE CHANGING THE FAILURE TO REMOVE DAMAGED OR IMPROPERLY PLACED SMALL VEHICLES SHALL RESULT IN A FINE AND A MINIMUM TO $250 PER VEHICLE PER DAY. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO TOUCH IT. BUT AFTER MEETING WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND DMD THEY BOTH SAID IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE UPPED THAT FEE. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. WE'VE DONE A LOT IN THE PART THAT WE DID CHANGE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS ACCOUNTABILITY ON BEHALF OF ANY BUSINESS THAT COMES HERE. IT'S ON THEM TO MAINTAIN THE VEHICLES. I THINK INCREASING THIS FEE IS ANOTHER GREAT WAY TO MAKE SURE THE CITY IS NOT LIABLE FOR THIS. THE BUSINESSES THAT COME HERE. I'LL MOVE THE FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. MOVED BY COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN AND SECONDED BY COUNCILOR ROGERS. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY. ON THE FLOOR AMENDMENT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. ALL THOSE, OPPOSED. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE DO HAVE ONE MORE SPEAKER. >> THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. WE HAVE MARK. >> CITY COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. APOLOGIES. I COULD HAVE SWORN I CLICKED IN-PERSON. AS A RESIDENT OF DISTRICTED TWO I STAND IN SUPPORT OF O-24-23. STARK IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE. IT'S TIME REMOVE THE REGULATORY BUSINESSES. WE SHOULD -- THE FEES THE CITY IS CHARGING IS PRETTY OUTSTANDING. AND FRANKLY, TERRIBLE FOR THESE MICROMOBILITY BUSINESSES WHICH IS WHY WHY HAVEN'T SEEN THEM. IT'S LEGALIZED, IT'S JUST THE CURRENT FEES ARE HUGE. SIMILAR SIZE METROS HAVE REASONABLE FEE STRUCTURES. I THINK THIS BILL DOES A GOOD JOB OF PUTTING OUR CITY IN LINE WITH THOSE FEE STRUCTURES THAT OTHER CITIES HAVE. MANY OF THE CORE ISSUES THAT MANY CITIZENS HAD SIX YEARS AGO WHEN WE HAD MICROMOBILITY HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED IN THIS BILL. I THINK OVERALL THIS IS A PRETTY WELL THOUGHT OUT BILL. ONE STORY I FIND VERY FUNNY, VERY INTERESTING IS THE INCIDENT. OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T BAN CARS AFTER ONE DUI. IF YOU -- IT'S SILLY WE WOULD BAN THINGS ALL THE DEVICES AFTER ONE DUI. THANK YOU. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. WHAT'S THE ANNUAL COST OR FEE? THE ANNUAL CHARGE. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, THOSE ARE LAID OUT IN THE BILL BEFORE YOU. IT SPECIFIES THOSE. I BELIEVE THERE'S A START UP FEE OF -- I DON'T HAVE THE BILL IN FRONT OF ME. I BELIEVE IT'S $4,000 ONE-TIME FEE. WHICH IS ON PAR WITH OTHER CITIES. THERE'S A 10 CENT PER RIDE FEE. PUTS US ON PAR WITH OTHER CITIES. AND WAS STATED BY THE SPONSOR, THE LARGEST CONCERN WE HAD WAS TO ENSURE THAT THESE DON'T BECOME A MESS FOR THE CITY AND PARTICULARLY OTHER DEPARTMENTS, SOLID WASTE, PARKING, DMD, AND SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE PENALTY FOR NOT PICKING ONE UP NEEDS TO BE RAISED. WE AGREED THAT THE OTHER FEES COULD BE LOWERED. WE KIND OF ARRIVED AT THE SAME PLACE WE HAD WITH OUR CURRENT STRUCTURES. WE HAD HIGH FEES TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE WERE SERIOUS ABOUT CLEANING UP LEFT OVER SCOOTERS. AND THIS WAY WE LOWERED THE BARRIER TO ENTRY CONSIDERABLY, BUT WE KNOW THAT THEY'LL HAVE TO PICK UP THE SCOOTERS BECAUSE THAT PENALTY IS QUITE HIGH. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. I THINK ALL THOSE QUESTIONS -- MY QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED. IT LOOKED LIKE WE HAD THE eBIKES IN THE PAST, AND MY GUESS IS THAT WE GOT RID OF THEM BECAUSE THEY WERE LITTERING THE CITY, SO TO SPEAK. AND WERE UNSLIGHTLY AND ALL OVER THE PLACE. I THINK YOU ANSWERED THE QUESTION. AND RAISING THE FEES REALLY HELPED THAT. THAT QUESTION IS ANSWERED AS WELL. ONE OF THE THINGS I LIKE ABOUT THIS IS WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO OPEN UP THE AREA FOR POSSIBLE COMPETITION. WHICH ACTUALLY HILL DRIVE FEES DOWN AS WELL AND PROBABLY HELP WITH JOBS. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A GOOD THING. THANK YOU. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT WE DID NOT GET RID OF THE -- COVID STRUCK AND THE COMPANY OPERATING HERE WENT BANKRUPT. IT'S NOT THE CITY GOT RID OF THEM. I WOULD LIKE TO REALLY QUICKLY TALK THE LITTERING. THE MESS THAT PEOPLE ARE EXPECTING FROM THIS. BECAUSE IT -- TECHNOLOGY HAS COME A VERY, VERY LONG WAY. SO, NOW THERE ARE PROPER AREAS THAT YOU CAN PARK THESE. AND IF YOU DO NOT PARK THESE IN THOSE AREAS YOU WILL CONTINUE STOOGET AN HOURLY FREE FROM THE PROVIDER. THERE'S A STRONG INCENTIVE TO PARK WHERE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO. THEY ARE ALSO GEO FENCED. BUT THERE ARE AREAS OF THE CITY THAT THEY WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO GO IN. I WILL TELL YOU THE STORY OF MY AND MY PARTNER IN TUCSON THINKING THE RESTAURANT WAS JUST A LITTLE OUT OF THE AREA. WE THOUGHT THEY'LL NEVER KNOW. IT DOESN'T RUN WHEN YOU TRY TO LEAVE THE AREA. AND THEY'RE VERY HEAVY. WE ENDED UP HAVING TO PARK IT IN A DESIGNATED AREA AND WALK THE LAST WALK. THE TECHNOLOGY HAS COME VERY FAR SINCE THEY WERE ORIGINALLY HERE. I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT IN THIS PROPOSAL THERE'S A REQUIREMENT FOR ANY COMPANY THAT WANTS TO COME HERE TO HAVE STAFF ON THE GROUND, ALBUQUERQUE RESIDENTS AVAILABLE 24-7 DO RESPOND TO ISSUES AROUND MAINTENANCE OR BROKEN VEHICLE. AND THERE'S TIME REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT CLEAN UP. THAT'S REALLY NO LONGER A CONCERN IN MY MIND AFTER TALKING TO EVERYONE. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I TOO THINK IT'S GOING TO BE GREAT. I THINK THE TECHNOLOGY IS DEFINITELY CAME A LONG WAY. I THINK A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAD BEFORE HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED. IT'S KIND OF COOL. I KNOW WHEN I TRAVEL TO OTHER CITIES AND I SEE THEM THERE, AND I REMEMBER WHEN THEY WERE HERE AND IT WASN'T -- IT DIDN'T GO WELL. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO IT BEING A GOOD THING FOR OUR CITY AND SEEING PEOPLE USE THEM. I THINK THEY WILL BE A GOOD THING. DO YOU WANT TO CLOSE? >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. MY PARTNER AND I NO LONGER RENT CARS WHEN WE GO ON VACATION. WE FIND SOMEWHERE DOWNTOWN AND RENT A SCOOTER OR eBIKE. IT'S AN AMAZINGLY GREAT WAY TO GET AROUND THE CITY. I WANT TO OFFER THAT TO FOLKS IN ALBUQUERQUE. IT'S GREAT FOR TOURISM. IT WILL BE GREAT FOR ME AND OTHER FOLKS TO BE ABLE TO GO OUT EASILY AND NOT GET IN OUR CAR AND GO FOR LUNCH OR DINNER. AND IT SAYS ANY COMPANY WANTS TO COME TO ALBUQUERQUE, THEY HAVE TO PLACE 20% OF THE UNITS IN AREAS WITH LOW SOCIAL VULNERABILITY SCALE. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS IS NOT JUST FOR US. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S FOR EVERYONE. THERE ARE FOLKS THAT NEED THAT LAST MILE TO BE ABLE TO GET GROCERIES HOME FROM THE ART STATION. I THINK THIS WILL DO IT. I ALREADY HEARD FROM AT LEAST ONE COMPANY THAT IF THIS PASSES TONIGHT THEY'RE APPLYING NEXT WEEK. I'M REALLY EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO OFFER THIS TO ALL THE RESIDENTS AND ALL THE TOURISTS IN ALBUQUERQUE. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON O-24-23. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT PASSES 8-0. CONGRATULATIONS. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. >>COUN. GROUT: WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO O-24. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN AGAIN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. THIS IS AMENDING O-22-47 RELATED TO THE TRANSIT SECURITY AND ACCESS. THE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT WILL RELEASE THE STUDY. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. GROUT: WE HAVE IT MOVED BY COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN AND SECONDED BY COUNCILOR ROGERS. IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? >> YES, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. WE HAVE ALTHEA. >> I THINK YOU KNOW, I'M A TRANSIT DEPENDENT MEMBER OF THE TRANSIT ADVISORY BOARD. I'M DISAPPOINTED THERE'S A LOT OF DELAYS IN THE STUDY. I WANT TO SHARE UPDATES ABOUT TRANSIT SAFETY SINCE THE STUDY WAS COMMISSIONS. WHEN I WAS PREGNANT WITH MY LAST ONE NOW PREGNANT AGAIN. THEY PUBLISHED A STORY ACCORDING TO RECENT TRANSIT DATA THE INCIDENTS ON BUSES AND BUS STOPS AND FACILITIES DECREASED 30% IN THE LAST THREE MONTHS DUE TO SAFETY INTERVENTIONS ACROSS MULTIPLE AGENCIES. THAT'S WONDERFUL. THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD ALL CELEBRATE. I THINK SOMETHING WE ESPECIALLY WANTS TO CELEBRATE TONIGHT IS THE SAFETY IMPROVERMENTS MADE BY THE ADOPTION OF PERMANENT AFFAIRS. PRIOR TO 2022 IT WOULD GET SCARY WHEN THE BUS DRIVER WAS TRYING TO ENFORCE A FARE AND YOU'D BE SITTING UP FRONT AND YOU'RE LIKE SHOULD I MOVE TO THE BACK. IT'S GOOD WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT. ASSAULTS ON TRANSIT WORKERS HAS TRIPPED OVER THE LAST 15 YEARS. WE DON'T SEE THAT IN ALBUQUERQUE. OUR INCIDENTS ARE DROPPING. I THINK FAIR COLLECTIONS AND THE ELIMINATION OF FAIR COLLECTION HAVE BEEN THE NUMBER ONE THING WE HAVE DONE TO IMPROVE THE SAFETY OF BUS DRIVERS IN PARTICULAR. THAT WAS MOST DANGEROUS PART OF THEIR JOB. AND NOW THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT. THEY JUST GET ON THE BUS AND GO. AND I BENEFIT FROM IT WHEN I HAVE A TODDLER IN A STROLLER AND A DIAPER BAG TO NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT MY WALLET. I ALSO REALLY WANT TO MENTION THAT SINCE MOST INCIDENTS HAPPEN AT BUS STOPS THE BEST THING IS TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF TIME PEOPLE WAIT. THE ABQ RIDE FORWARD PROGRAM WOULD GREATLY INCREASE THE FREQUENCY OF THE BUSES SO WE SPEND LESS TIME ON THE PLATFORMS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I HOPE YOU SUPPORT FREQUENT SERVICE BUSES IN THE FUTURE. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. THANKS FOR STICKING IT OUT WITH US. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I DON'T THINK SO. >> NO, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. >>COUN. GROUT: I HAVE A REAL QUICK QUESTION. HOW OFTEN -- I'M UNDERSTANDING WE'RE HAVING TO EXTEND THIS BECAUSE ORIGINALLY THERE WAS NO ANSWER TO OUR REQUEST FOR OUR RFBs. SO MY QUESTION IS HOW OFTEN DOES THAT HAPPEN IN GENERAL? HOW OFTEN DO WE NOT GET RESPONSES TO RFBs? >> MADAM VICE-CHAIR. I WOULD SAY IT'S SPORADIC THAT OCCURS. THERE ARE TIMES WHEN OUR -- WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON AND LOOKING FOR IN A PARTNER MIGHT BE UNIQUE AND OFTENTIMES WHEN YOU SEE THERE IS A LOW RESPONSE, WE WILL CONTINUE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ADVERTISING TO REMEDY THAT WHEN WE HAVE AN RFP. IT IS RARE THAT OCCURS. >>COUN. GROUT: WHO WRITES THE RFPs? >> MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, THE DEPARTMENT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR WRITING THE SCOPE, PURCHASE WILL MANAGE THE PROCESS. THE DEPARTMENT WRITES THE SCOPE, THE DEPARTMENT TYPICALLY STAFFS THE AD HOC COMMITTEES THAT MAKES THE DECISION. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. ONE FINAL COMMENT. WE PASSED THIS BACK IN FEBRUARY OF 2023. AND LIKE SHE SAID, IT'S TAKEN A LONG TIME. WE DON'T LIKE STUDIES TO GO ON FOREVER. I'M WITH HER. AND WITH YOU. WE NEED TO DO BETTER. ANYWAY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. I'M SLEEPILY. I APOLOGIZE. I JUST WANTED TO SAY I THINK IF YOU RECALL THE ORIGINAL BILL THERE WAS A SHORT-TERM TACTICAL PLAN AND LONG-TERM SECURITY PLAN. WE DID GET THE SHORT-TERM ONE BACK. AND I AGREE THIS IS TAKING A VERY LONG TIME. I DO THINK THERE ARE THINGS BEYOND THE CONTROL OF THE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT. I WILL ECHO THAT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO GET THIS DONE. THANK YOU. >>COUN. GROUT: OKAY. COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: JUST -- THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. ONE QUICK QUESTION ONLINE 12. DO WE NEED TO UPDATE THAT DATE. IT SAYS WHEREAS, O-22-47 REQUIRES THE FINAL REPORT BE SUBMITTED ON MARCH 1, 2024 OR IS THAT FOR REFERENCE OF THE ORIGINAL DATE? >> MADAM CHAIR, COUNCILOR ROGERS, THAT'S REFERENCE TO THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE. AND THIS RESOLUTION ON THE LAST LINE AMENDS IT. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU. >>COUN. GROUT: WITH THAT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF O-24-24 SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. VERY GOOD. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO O-29. COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT IT'S ADOPTING THE NEW PART IN CHAPTER TWO ARTICLE SIX OF THE REVISED ORDINANCE OF ALBUQUERQUE ROUTE 66 VISITOR CENTER COMMISSION. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. ROGERS: SECOND. >>COUN. GROUT: OKAY. WE HAVE -- IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED BY COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. GROUT: DO WE HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? >> WE HAD TWO ZOOM SPEAKERS WHO I CANNOT FIND. TWILA AND BECKY. IF THEY'RE IN THE ROOM? >>COUN. PEÑA: MADAM VICE-CHAIR. OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS HAVE TO GO TO WORK AND THEY COULDN'T STAY ON. >>COUN. GROUT: COUNCILOR PEÑA. >> COUNCILOR PEÑA, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. >>COUN. PEÑA: FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. AND THAT -- LET ME GIVE THE EXPLANATION. THIS AMENDMENT IS NEEDED IN ORDER TO OUTLINE A PROCESS FOR COMMISSION MEMBERS. THIS IS NEEDED TO ENSURE THERE'S LONGEVITY IN NUMBERS AND TERM OF OFFICE AND CONTINITY BETWEEN OUTGOING AND INCOMING MEMBERS. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. GROUT: IT'S MOVED AND SECONDED BY COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. ANY DISCUSSION, COUNCILORS? ANY COMMENTS FROM ADMIN? >> MADAM CHAIR, I BELIEVE THAT COUNCILOR PEÑA HAS OTHER AMENDMENTS. BUT WE SUPPORT THE WORKING WITH -- WE WORKED WITH COUNCILOR PEÑA ON DETERMINING A PATH FORWARD FOR THE COMMISSION TO BE FORMED TO ENSURE THAT THE PROGRAMMING AND WHAT IS HAPPENING AT THE ROUTE 66 VISITOR CENTER CONNECTS WITH THE COMMUNITY THAT BROUGHT IT TO US. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION AS WHY HISPANO CHAMBER OF COMMERCE THE ONLY CHAMBER INCLUDED? >>COUN. PEÑA: WHY THE HISPANO BECAUSE I THINK THE WORK THEY DO IS RELATED TO THE OVERALL VISION FOR THE COMMUNITY FOR THE VISITOR CENTER. WE DIDN'T NECESSARILY NEED TO INCLUDE THEM BUT I THINK IT WAS PART OF BEING INCLUSIVE OF ADDITIONAL MEMBERS AND INPUT THAT WOULD BRING VALUE TO A CENTER LIKE THE VISITOR CENTER. >>COUN. GROUT: ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED? THAT PASSES 8-0. ONE MORE? >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO, I THINK THOSE ARE IN YOUR iPADS. I'LL EXPLAIN IT. THIS AMENDMENT PROPOSES TO ADD THE DIRECTOR OF ARTS AND CULTURE AS AN ADVISORY MEMBER TO THE BOARD AND ALSO CHANGES THE AUTHORITY OF THE BOARD FROM A DETERMINING BODY TO REVIEW AND RECOMMENDING BODY IN SUBSECTION C, D, E AND F AND I HAVE ANOTHER AMENDMENT THAT GIVES AUTHORITY. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. GROUT: THAT'S MOVED AND SECONDED. FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. BY COUNCILOR PEÑA AND COUNCILOR BASSAN. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ALSO. COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: SO, THIS IS FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE. AND THE EXPLANATION ON THIS IS THIS AMENDMENT CLARIFIES AND STRENGTHENS THE CITY'S COMMITMENT TO UPHOLD THE ORIGINAL VISION OF THE ROUTE 66 VISITOR CENTER. >>COUN. GROUT: WE HAVE A SECOND. FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE HAS BEEN MOVED. >>COUN. BASSAN: I THINK THAT'S THE ONE WE JUST DID BEFORE. IT'S NOT THE PROPER ONE BEING DISPLAYED FOR THE PUBLIC. >>COUN. GROUT: OKAY. >>COUN. PEÑA: I CAN READ IT. >>COUN. GROUT: THERE IT IS. FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE IS MOVED BY COUNCILOR PEÑA. AND SECONDED BY COUNCILOR BASSAN. ANY DISCUSSION? COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE ORIGINAL VISION OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT FIRST CONCEPTUALIZED THE ROUTE 66 CENTER IN THE 1990s. WOULD YOU GIVE A SHORT OVERVIEW OF THE ORIGINAL VISION. >>COUN. PEÑA: THAT'S TOUGH. 30 YEARS WORTH OF WORK. THE ORIGINAL VISION, IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECTLY. WE HAVE THE MISSION OF THE ROUTE 66 VISITOR CENTER HERE. I THINK THE MISSION PRETTY MUCH DESCRIBES WHAT THE ENTIRE WITHOUT ME GOING INTO LENGTHILY DISCUSSION. YOU START WITH THE VISITOR CENTER AND THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE BEING THAT YOU PULL OFF THE INTERSTATE. THE INTENTION FROM THE COMMUNITY WAS NEVER THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE THAT TYPE OF VISITOR CENTER. THE VISION FROM THE COMMUNITY -- WHAT THEY DID MANY YEARS AGO IS WENT OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND DECIDED THAT THEY REALLY WANTED TO WORK TO TRANSFORM THE ENTIRE ROUTE 66 BUT THE BOUNDARIES WITHIN THE COMMUNITY THERE WERE WEST CENTRAL. WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO IS REALLY THINK BIG FOR THE AREA. AND CREATE CHANGE IN A MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES FOR LOTS OF REASONS. HISTORIC DISINVESTMENT, LACK OF INVESTMENT, OF COURSE THE INTERSTATE WAS BUILT. IT TOOK COMMERCE OFF THE STRETCH OF THE HISTORIC ROUTE. THEY ALWAYS ENVISIONED THAT WE HAD AREAS OF THE -- I THINK I TOLD THE JOURNAL WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THE VISITOR CENTER IT'S AN ALL VOLUNTEER BOARD SINCE THE BEGINNING. THIS VOLUNTEER BOARD HAS REALLY TAKEN TIME OVER 30 YEARS AND SOME OF THEM HAVE PASSED AWAY TO REALLY REENVISION ROUTE 66 IN PARTICULAR WEST CENTRAL AND WHAT THEY'VE DONE, NOT JUST THE VISITOR CENTER THEY ADVOCATED FOR THE FIRE STATION, THEY ADVOCATED FOR THE LIBRARY. I KNOW COUNCILOR SANCHEZ WAS A CHAMPION FOR THOSE THINGS BUT IT REALLY WAS SPURRED OUT OF THE COMMUNITY WORK. AND THEY ACTUALLY ADVOCATED FOR THE NO -- NEON SIGNS ALONG WEST CENTRAL. ALL OF THESE THINGS WERE SOMETHING THAT ENVISIONED SO WE COULD GET PEOPLE FROM OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY BECAUSE OF THE PERCEPTIONS AND THEY STILL EXIST, THIS PERCEPTION OF THIS AREA AND WHAT IT IS AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT IT DOESN'T HAVE AND WHO WE ARE AND WHAT WE LOOK LIKE. REALLY, TO ENCOURAGE THINKING BIG FOR THE AREA IN TERMS OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND THE POTENTIAL TO BRING COMMERCE OFF THE INTERSTATE ON TO WEST CENTRAL TO REALLY LOOK AT THE ENTIRE STRETCH OF THE HISTORIC ROUTE BECAUSE WE HAVE THE LONGEST STRETCH OF THE HISTORIC ROUTE. THE ONLY PLACE IN THE NATION WHERE IT CROSSES ITSELF. THEY ENVISIONS MANY YEARS AGO AND WE HAVE CITY PLANS AND COUNTY PLANS THAT GO BACK THAT FAR THAT TOOK INPUT AND PLANNING FROM THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE AND THE COUNTY TO ACTUALLY CREATE A GATEWAY ON BOTH SIDES OF WEST CENTRAL. UNFORTUNATELY, IT DIDN'T HAPPEN ON THE WEST CORRIDOR BUT COUNCILOR GROUT IS ON IT. SO IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. THIS COMMUNITY GROUP REALLY TOOK ALL THOSE PLANS AND ENVISIONING PLANS AND TOOK IT TO HEART. AND WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GOT VISITORS FROM OTHER AREAS IN THE CITY TO DISPEL SOME OF THE PERCEPTIONS. AND REALLY CREATED A PLACE FOR THE COMMUNITY WHO LIVES AND RESIDES THERE BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW THAT AREA DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF -- WE DON'T HAVE MUSEUMS. WE DON'T HAVE NATIONAL CHAIN RESTAURANTS. I THINK WE HAVE ONE PUT IN A COUPLE YEARS AGO. WHICH IS APPLEBEES. THE DISTRICT DOESN'T HAVE A CHAIN RESTAURANT. THERE'S AN ARTICLE WRITTEN BY A FORMER COUNCILOR THAT WAS HERE, I KNOW PEOPLE FROM OTHER DISTRICTS PROBABLY LOOKED AT IT AND SAID THE PERCEPTION OF LOOKING OVER THE FENCE TO SEE WHAT THEY THINK IS GOING ON, REALLY I GOT NUMEROUS CALLS FROM PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WERE REALLY LIKE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND OUR COMMUNITY WE REALLY HAVE TO ENSURE THAT WE KEEP OUR CULTURE, OUR HISTORY, WHO WE ARE, TELL OUR STORY, AND AT THE SAME TIME, MAKE IT A WELCOMING PLACE FOR EVERYONE. OUR LOW RIDER HISTORY, OUR -- WE HAVE -- PEOPLE TALK ABOUT IT BEING WAY OUT THERE. IT'S A HOP, SKIP AND A JUMP FROM THE ATRISCO LAND GRANT WHICH WAS ACTUALLY PREDATES THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE BY THREE YEARS. AND SO THAT WAS THE CORE OF THE CITY AT THE TIME. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT -- AND LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S OCCURRED THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE CITY INTO RIO RANCHO AND VALENCIA COUNTY AND SEE WE LACK SOME OF THE INVESTMENT IN THE DISTRICT, I THINK THE COMMUNITY REALLY ENVISIONS SEEING THEIR POTENTIAL COME TO REALITY. AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT -- THERE'S AN ARTICLE IN THE JOURNAL THAT SAID THAT THE COUNTY CANCELLED THEIR CONTRACTS. THEY CANCELED THE CONTRACT AT THE REQUEST OF THE WEST SENSEERAL GROUP BRAUZ THEY WANTED TO BRING IT TO THE CITY TO MAKE SURE THESE PEOPLE THAT WORKED ON IT FOR 30 YEARS, SOME OF THEM PASSED AWAY, SOME OF THEM ARE STILL TRYING TO ENVISION THIS BUT REALLY IN ALL REALITY AFTER 30 YEARS WORTH OF WORK THOSE PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY DID WHAT THEY INTENDED TO DO. AND THEY DIDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE THE CAPACITY ANYMORE. MANY OF US ARE AGING OUT. AND THEY'RE AGING OUT. AND THEY REALLY WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT GOES INTO PERPETUITY. THEY WANTED TO ENSURE IT HAD SOME TEETH BECAUSE MANY OF OUR COMMISSIONS -- MANY OF OUR COMMITTEES AND COMMISSIONS OR COMMITTEES WE HAVE IN THE COMMUNITY DON'T REALLY -- THEY'RE ADVISORY AND SOMETIMES -- THEY REALLY WANTED TO ENSURE THAT BY THEM RELINQUISHING THIS THEY STILL HAVE SOME PIECE TO BE ABLE TO CARRY OUT THE VISION OF THE COMMUNITY. SORRY LONG-WINDED. I COULD HAVE WENT LONGER. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU FOR YOUR PASSION. WITH THAT, WE HAVE FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR -- SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED? NONE. THAT PASSES. OKAY. NOW WE'RE BACK ON THE AMENDMENT AMENDED BILL. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. NO 7-1. LET'S MOVE ON TO O-30. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. IT'S AMENDING SECTION TO CREATE A HEART ORDINANCE FUND AND DEDICATE TO THE ANIMAL WELFARE DEPARTMENT. I MOVE A DO PASS. I DO HAVE TWO AMENDMENTS. >>COUN. GROUT: IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED BY COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, ALL RIGHT FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE IS ON PAGE ONE, LINE 22 STRIKE ANIMAL WELFARE DEPARTMENT SHALL AND INSERT TO. AND SECTION THREE IT SHOULD READ AS FOLLOWS. HEART ORDINANCE FUND MONEY DEDICATED TO THE ANIMAL WELFARE DEPARTMENT TO PROVIDE PROGRAM FOR FREE OR REDUCED COST SPAY AND NEUTERING. AND VACCINATION FOR LOW INCOME PERSONS, MODERATE INCOME PERSONS AND SENIORS WHEN POSSIBLE THE GENERAL PUBLIC. TRYING TO MAKE A TECHNICAL CLARIFICATION TO MAKE SURE WE KNOW WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING. I'LL MOVE THAT FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. >>COUN. GROUT: WE HAVE A SECOND? MOVED BY COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN SECONDED BY COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT PASSES. 8-0. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, THIS IS FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. INSERTING A NEW SECTION. IT SAYS THE ANIMAL WELFARE DEPARTMENT SHALL PROVIDE THE CITY COUNCIL WITH WRITTEN CARTERLY ACCOUNTED OF ALL ACTIVITY IN THE FUND VIA EXECUTIVE COMMUNICATION. THE ACCOUNTING SHALL INCLUDE ALL PERMITS, FEES AND CIVIL SIGNS COLLECTED. ALL FUNDS EXPENDITURES BY THE ANIMAL WELFARE DEPARTMENT INCLUDING DESCRIPTION OF THE USE OF FUNDS AND STARTING AND ENDING BALLENSESES BALANCE OF THE REPORTING PERIOD. >>COUN. GROUT: FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO HAS BEEN MOVED BY COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN AND SECONDED BY COUNCILOR ROGERS. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ANY DISCUSSION? ADMIN ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH THE GENERATED FEES AND FINES ARE INTO THE HEART ORDINANCE? >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: WE DO. I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION. WE ARE AT ABOUT $18,000 A YEAR NOW. THE POINT OF THIS BILL IS THAT WE JUST RE-DID HOW WE'RE DOING THE FINES IN THAT DEPARTMENT AND A FEW OTHERS. THAT NUMBER IS EXPECTED TO RISE OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS. I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THOSE FUNDS ARE DEDICATED TO THE FUND. >>COUN. GROUT: HOW MUCH DOES ANIMAL WELFARE SPEND EVERY YEAR ON SPAY AND NEUTER PROGRAMS? >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. LET'S SEE WHAT WE CAN GET FROM DEPUTY DIRECTOR. >> COUNCILOR GROUT, WHAT WE SPEND ON SPAY AND NEUTER IS CLOSE TO $175,000. SPAY AND NEUTER BLITZ AND ALL THE OTHER SERVICES WE PROVIDE. >>COUN. GROUT: HOW MANY OF THOSE SURGERIES ARE FOR FREE? >> MOST OF THOSE ARE FOR FREE BECAUSE WE ONLY BRING IN ABOUT 18 TO $25,000. WE DID RECEIVE A GRANT THAT COVERS SOME OF THE EXPENSES BUT THAT GRANT HAS EXPIRED. >>COUN. GROUT: OKAY, THANK YOU. COULD THIS PROGRAM LEAD TO BETTER TRACKING OF NUMBERS AND SURGERIES AND HOW MUCH WE COLLECT IN FEES? >> WE ALREADY TRACK IT. IT COULD BE TRACKED IN A SIMILAR WAY. >>COUN. GROUT: WILL IT REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR SURGERIES FOR LOW INCOME PET FAMILIES. >> WE'RE GOING TO DO THE SAME AMOUNT OF SERVICES WE'VE ALWAYS DONE TO PROVIDE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. >>COUN. GROUT: VERY GOOD. THAT'S THE RIGHT ANSWER. THIS IS AN IMPORTANT SERVICE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S ADEQUATELY FUNDED. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. I'M WONDERING WHAT THE ADMIN THINKS ABOUT THIS BILL. >> MADAM CHAIR, COUNCILOR GROUT -- I'M SORRY COUNCILOR BASSAN. IT'S VERY LATE. YOU HAVE ALL NIGHT BEEN CALLED BY THE WRONG NAME. WE HAVE READ THROUGH THIS AND WORKED WITH COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN -- BACK AND FORTH OBVIOUSLY AS WE WORKED THROUGH THIS. WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE GOAL OF THIS IS FOR US TO HAVE THESE FUNDS COME IN AND BE DEAD KATDD FOR THE HEART ORDINANCE. WE RECOGNIZE ALSO THAT WE SPEND MUCH MORE TO DO THIS THAN WHAT IS COMING IN. THE OPPORTUNITY TO TRACK THIS IS -- AS HE STATED, WE ALREADY TRACK IT, BUT HAVING IT COME THROUGH HERE AND HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE BE RECONCILED ALLOWS US TO SEE THAT THE HEART ORDINANCE IMPACT AND HOW IT SUPPORTS THAT. I KNOW THAT WE WILL WATCH THE FEES AND HOW IT GROWS AND SEE HOW IT IMPACTS US AND WHETHER OR NOT IT CREATES A REASONABLENESS OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO SEE THAT THE HEART ORDINANCE IN DOLLARS IN FLOW SUPPORTS THE TOTAL THAT WE RECEIVE. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. I THINK THIS IS FABULOUS. I ALSO THINK THAT FEES GIVEN TO ANY DEPARTMENT SHOULD STAY IN THAT DEPARTMENT. WE'VE BEEN TOLD MULTIPLE TIMES IT SHOULD GO TO THE GENERAL FUND. I SEE THIS IS A SLIPPERY SLOPE. AGAIN, I'M FOR IT. I ALSO THINK FOR ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND HOW WITH THE PROGRAMMATIC BUDGETING STYLE WE HAVE, THIS PARTICULARLY DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK. OR IT DOESN'T EVER WORK BECAUSE OF THE SLIPPERY SLOPE WE'RE GOING TO CREATE. I WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT ALL OF YOU SEE THAT COMING, I'M GAME. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS, BUT I DO REALLY GET CONCERNED. I KNOW WE DO HAVE SOME -- TO THE GENTLEMAN'S POINT ABOUT -- WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT BUDGETING WE CAN WORK OUR WAY OUT OF A JOB IF WE ACTUALLY APPROPRIATE ALL THESE THINGS AND ALL THESE THINGS. TO ALL THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS BECAUSE IF OFTENTIMES WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BUDGET AND WE'RE SAYING HEY, REALLY ANIMAL WELL TEAR DOESN'T REALLY NEED THIS WE NEED TO PUT IT SOMEWHERE BUT WE CREATED LEGISLATION THAT ACTUALLY WE ALL -- ANYWAY, LEGISLATION THAT REALLY PUTS IT TO A SPECIFIC THING, I CAUTION THAT. I THINK THIS IS -- WE'RE PAYING MORE INTO IT. I THINK IT WILL BE HELPFUL. I AGREE. THANK YOU. >>COUN. GROUT: ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. I JUST WANT TO REMIND FOLKS WE HAVE A MASSIVE NEED FOR SPAY NEUTER IN OUR COMMUNITY. THE SHELTER IS FULL ALL THE TIME. AND SO, AS WE SEE THE CIVIL SIGNS INCREASING INTO THE ANIMAL WELFARE DEPARTMENT I WANT TO SEE THE FUNDS ARE GOING TO PROVIDE SPAY SMUT NEUTER. I WILL SAY THE TRACKING ABILITY WITH THE FUNDS IS SOMETHING THAT IS SORELY NEEDED. IT TOOK ME MONTHS TO GET AN ESTIMATE OF HOW MANY SPAY NEUTERS WE PROVIDED. THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ABLE TO RUN A REPORT ON LIKE THAT. AND THE FACT IT TOOK MONTHS TELLS ME WE NEED THIS FUND SO WE CAN START TRACKING THIS BECAUSE THIS IS A PERIOD OF COMMUNITY SAFETY PROBLEMS IN ADDITION TO ANIMAL WELFARE. I THINK IT'S A WIN-WIN. WE GET TO BE ABLE TOTRIC TRACK AND BE ABLE TO BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE FUNDS COMING IN. AND PROVIDE SERVICE FOR THE FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY WHO WANT TO BE RESPONSIBLE GUARDIANS FOR THE ANIMALS. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. WITH THAT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF R -- O-30. SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. I MAKE A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES AND EXTEND THE MEETING TO 1:15. >>COUN. GROUT: OKAY. SECOND ANYBODY? ALL RIGHT. THOSE IN FAVOR OF EXTENDING THE MEETING. SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED? 6-2. IT PASSES. COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. THANK YOU, MADAM VICE PRESIDENT. R-24-60 IS RESOLUTION RESCINDING RESOLUTION FROM 2023 WHICH 2023-152 AND 184 WHICH PROHIBITED THE PLACEMENT OF VEHICLE WRAPS. THIS RESOLUTION WAS TO IMPROVE THE TRANSIT'S IMAGE WITH THE PUBLIC. THE WRAPS ON THE BUSES WERE BLANKETING THE ENTIRE BUS AND MOST NOTABLY THE WINDOWS. ADOPTING THIS RESOLUTION BRINGS -- IT ALLOWS THE WRAPS TO COME BACK ON THE COACHES TO WHERE ADVERTISING IS SECONDARY TO THE BUS'S PUBLIC IMAGE. IT REMOVES THE WRAP FROM THE WINDOWS. IT WILL RERESOLUTIONS -- PROVIDES REVENUE WITHOUT HAVING THE ADVERTISING ON THE ENTIRE BUS OVERWHELMING THE IMAGE OF THE FLEET. WE CAN DO THE WRAPS AND ESTABLISH A POSITIVE IMAGE FOR THE BUS WHILE GENERATING REVENUE. IN ADDITION TO THEM PROVEMENT THIS RESOLUTION ESTABLISHES THAT IT DIRECTS THE REVENUE BACK TO THE TRANSIT SYSTEM AND IN THE PREVIOUS WRAP WENT BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND FOR THE PUBLIC. TO ASSIST HOPEFULLY PUT MONEY BACK INTO ASSIST WITH MORE BUS DRIVERS PAY CREATING OR EVEN ADDING TO THE POSSIBILITY OF UPPING THE SANITARY CLEANING AVENUE OF THE BUSES THAT I BELIEVE A COUPLE WEEKS AGO TOLD WAS ONCE OR TWICE A WEEK. MAYBE THIS MONEY GENERATED BACK IN THE DAY WHEN IT WAS AN ENTIRE BUS WAS HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. LIMITING THE ADVERTISING SPOTS TO BELOW THE WINDOW AND BETWEEN THERE TWO REAR WELLS CREATES PRIME REAL ESTATE PROPERTY THAT CAN GENERATE A FAIR AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT CAN BE USED FOR THE TRANSIT SYSTEM. I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN FOR THE TRAVELING BUS ADS FOR PRIVATE ENTITIES. I'VE SEEN THEM AND EVERYBODY SEEN THEM. YOU HAVE TWO LAWYERS OR THIS OR THAT ALL OVER THE CITY. WORKED INTO THE BILL THAT IT PROHIBITS THE AMOUNT OF PRIVATE ENTITIES. -- >>COUN. CHAMPINE: WITHIN THAT WRAP. IT WILL BE DIRECTING THE DEPARTMENT TO MODIFY AS NECESSARY THE EXISTING VENDOR CONTRACTS AND COMPLY WITH THE POLICIES. >>COUN. GROUT: WE NEED A SECOND. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YOU JUST LET ME GO ON AND ON. I WAS ON A ROLL. >>COUN. GROUT: OKAY. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR. WE HAVE -- IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COUNCILOR CHAMPINE AND SECONDED BY COUNCILOR BASSAN. ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. OH, PUBLIC COMMENT. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I'LL WAIT UNTIL PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. WE HAVE CORILOUS FOLLOWED BY ATHEA. >> THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL. I AM A MEMBER OF THE TRANSIT ADVISORY BOARD. I SPEAK ON BEHALF OF MYSELF. I WANT TO ASK NOT PASS THIS PROPOSAL FOR A FEW REASONS. FIRST, ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS YOU CHOSE TO REMOVE THIS ADVERTISEMENT WAS TO CREATE A CONSISTENT UNIFORM AND PROFESSIONAL IMAGE. AND THE RESULTS ARE BEAUTIFUL. OUR BUSES WHICH STILL SUFFER FROM A SAFETY PROBLEM HAVE GREATLY BENEFITTED. I THINK THERE NEW IMAGE IS VERY PROFESSIONAL AND IT HELPS WITH THE IMPRESSION OF SAFETY. AND HAVING A GOOD LISTEN -- I'M PARTICULARLY EXCITED ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THE NEW IMAGE OF THE ZERO FARE AND THE IMPROVEMENT ON INCREASED RIDERSHIP. INCREASING THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO CHOOSE TO RIDE THE BUS EVEN IF THEY HAVE OTHER CHOICES. I THINK WE SHOULD BE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO INCREASE THE USE OF PUBLIC TRANSIT BY PEOPLE OF ALL WALKS OF LIFE. SECONDLY, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT WHEN ADVERTISING WAS COMMON IT NEVER PROVIDED A PERCENTAGE OF THE ACTUAL BUDGET. THE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT. AND I DON'T THINK IT'S WORTH SACRIFICING THE GRANT YOU CREATE. THE PROPOSAL HAS AN OVERWHELMING AMOUNT OF RULES AND IMPOSSIBLE TIMELINES. HAVING TO REMOVE CERTAIN ADVERTISEMENT FOUR MONTHS BEFORE THE ELECTION WHEN WE HAVE ELECTIONS SO OFTEN. I JUST THINK IT'S A LEVEL OF ADDED BUREAUCRACY AND EXTRA THINGS THE DEPARTMENT HAS TO DO THAT I DON'T THINK IS NECESSARY. THANK YOU. >> ALTHEA FOLLOWED BY TAD. >> CARLOS TOOK MY JOKE. GOOD MORNING, I AM A BIG FAN OF SUPPORTING THE TRANSIT FUND. I HAVE ONE MAJOR HESITATION WITH THIS SPECIFIC PROPOSAL SECTION FIVE. I WORRY ABOUT THE TYPICAL TURN AROUND WITH THE TIME OF BUS ADS. OUR TRANSIT DEPARTMENT WORKS SO HARD. THEY ARE REALLY UNDERSTAFFED. AND WE HAVE A SHORT MG ON THE ROAD READY BUSES. AND I ACTUALLY TOOK A BUS YESTERDAY MORNING. NOW THIS MORNING, THAT HAS THE OLD BUS WRAP WITH THE BIG ADOF THE LAWYER. THOSE ARE STILL IN CIRCULATION. IF WE HAD TO HAVE THIS LONG TIME BEFORE AN ELECTION THAT WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO ADVERTISE ANY CITY SERVICES THAT ARE NOT CREATESES CRISIS THAT'S WASTEFUL. I DON'T THINK A SMALL PSA ABOUT THE LIBRARY OR 311 WILL THROW AN ELECTION. I THINK THIS IS UNNECESSARY. IF YOU GO FORWARD I URGE YOU TO CUT OUT SECTION FIVE. THERE'S ONE MORE THING I WANT TO MENTION. IT'S WHAT CARLOS TALKED ABOUT. IS IT A GOOD IDEA TO BRING BACK EXTERIOR BUS ADS AT ALL? IF YOU HAVEN'T NOTICED IT'S LOVELY TO SEE THE -- THOSE LOOK REALLY GOOD WHEN THEY PULL UP [ INAUDIBLE ] [ INAUDIBLE ] >> SAY SOMETHING STRAIGHT. DON'T YOU DARE -- CITY, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN BY THE CITY. MAYOR AND COUNCIL GET IN THE SPECIAL INTEREST GROUP BACK POCKET. SIMPLE AS THAT. THESE SPECIAL INTERESTS ANYONE DON'T YOU SELL THE CITY. SELL CITY AS IT IS RIGHT NOW. THAT LOOK GOOD TO VISITORS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. BEAUTIFUL, BUT OTHERWISE, I WILL -- WITH JURY AND JURY WILL AGREE. THANK YOU. >> THAT CONCLUDES COMMENT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. ANY COMMENTS, ANYONE? >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. I HAVE SPOKEN TO COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, I KNOW THAT HE HAS REALLY GOOD REASONS FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD. I JUST WANT TO MAKE A FEW POINTS. WE PASSED THIS ORIGINAL BILL SEVEN AND A HALF MONTHS AGO. WE JUST HEARD FROM A SPEAKER THAT WE HAVEN'T EVEN ROTATED ALL OF THE OLD ADS YET. IT FEELS LITTLE SOON TO BE REVISITING THIS DECISION, THIS POLICY THAT I REALLY SUPPORTED. I LIKE HAVING A CONSISTENT LOOKING BUS FLEET. I THINK IT LOOKS GOOD FOR TOURISTS. IT LOOKS GOOD FOR FOLKS THAT ARE ON THE BUS ALL THE TIME. AGAIN WE JUST PASSED IT. AND WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE ENTIRE THING UPDATED. FOR THAT REASON, I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING IT. I DO HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS IN THE STAFF WRITE UP IT SAYS THERE'S $75,000 THAT IS GOING TO BE BROUGHT IN FOR THIS. AND MY QUESTION IS, I'M SURE COUNCILOR CHAMPINE KNOWS THIS, IS THAT NET OR GROSS? >>COUN. CHAMPINE: 75 ANNUALLY? I BELIEVE IT'S NET. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: IT'S NET? >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >> MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, SO WHEN WE ORIGINALLY TALKED IT WAS FGO75,000 CAME UP. WHEN WE DID THE CALCULATIONS WE WERE LOOKING AT BETWEEN THE REAR WELLS AND ONLY ONE SIDE, LOOKING AT IT AGAIN NOW IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT. JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA CURRENTLY, WE'RE EXPECTING THE FISCAL YEAR 25 TO BE $190,000. THAT'S UPON THE EXISTING SALES TO THE ADVERTISERS, AND 43 OF THAT IS TO THE BUS WRAP. IF WE ADDED THIS, THE REVENUE WOULD BRING IN AN ADDITIONAL $102,000. THAT'S $292,000. WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH LAMAR OVER HERE TO CONFIRM THAT'S WHERE WE STAND. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: OKAY. THANK YOU. $292,000 GROSS? >> MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, THAT WOULD COME TO THE CITY. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THAT'S NOT COUNTING HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST TO HAVE A PERSON THAT GOES OUT AND REMOVES THE OLD WRAPS FOUR MONTHS BEFORE AN ELECTION AND PUTS THE NEW WRAPS ON AND TAKE THOSE OFF BEFORE THE NEXT ELECTION. DO WE KNOW WHAT IT WILL COST US TO IMPLEMENT THIS? >> COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, WE DON'T PAY FOR ANY OF THAT. THAT COMES FROM LAMAR. THIS AMOUNT IS WHAT WE GET FROM LAMAR. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: $292,000 NET IS WHAT WE ARE GIVING UP IN EXCHANGE FOR NOT HAVING A CONSISTENTLY BRANDED IMAGED BUS FLEET THAT WE JUST PASSED SEVEN AND A HALF MONTHS AGO? >> MADAM CHAIR, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE $102,000 WHICH IS ADDITIONAL FOR THIS AD, PLUS THE $43,000. WE STILL HAVE 17 BUSES THAT HAVE EXISTING CONTRACTS THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: TELL ME THE NUMBER WE'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING IN. >> IT WOULD BE, I CAN'T GET IT OUTRIGHT. EXCUSE ME. COUNCIL VICE-PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, IT WOULD BE $102,000 ADDITIONAL IS WHAT WE BRING IN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: REMIND WHAT'S TRANSIT'S BUDGET. OVERALL BUDGET. >> $53 MILLION. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S GOING TO GO VERY FAR. THANK YOU. >>COUN. GROUT: COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. DIRECTOR, IN YOUR OPINION BASED ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT, WOULD IT BE HARD TO MAKE THE CHANGE OVER WITHIN 120 DAYS OF AN ELECTION? >> MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, NO. TALK TO THE STAFF I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE FOR US. I DON'T THINK THAT WE WOULD SELL AS MUCH -- NOT EVEN SELLING. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE DEMAND FOR PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENTS AS WE WOULD THINK THE 50%. IN FACT TALKING WITH LAMAR THE NATIONAL STANDARD FOR THAT PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT IS ABOUT 10%. >>COUN. ROGERS: ONE MORE QUESTION. JUST IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, WHO CAN AFFORD TO ADVERTISE ON OUR BUSES? >> COUNCILOR ROGERS, WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF ASKS FOR THAT. JUST THE TIME I'VE BEEN HERE WE'VE DONE THE VISIT ALBUQUERQUE WRAPS YOU'VE SEEN FOR THE PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT. THAT I'M AWARE OF. IT DOES COST US SOME MONEY FOR THAT AS WELL. USUALLY ABOUT $1500 FOR EACH WRAPS WE HAVE. >>COUN. ROGERS: THAT'S WHAT THE COMPANY WOULD BE PAYING? $1500 TO WRAP A BUS. >> YES. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. WHAT IS THE PRIMARY PURPOSE OF THE -- >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. IT'S TO BRING BACK SOME SORT OF HISTORY. THE BUSES HAVE ALWAYS HAD ADVERTISEMENT BACK INTO THE 30s. IT'S BEEN USED AND GENERATED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. I GET THE CHANGE OF TIME AND UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU WANT A SOLIDARITY AND CONFORMITY AND SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE AND WITH THE TECHNOLOGY NOWADAYS YOU CAN HAVE THAT. IT'S NOT OLD FRAMED OUT PIECE OF PICTURE FRAME ON THE SIDE OF THE BUS. YOU CAN INCORPORATE WITH THE WRAPS AND IT'S BASICALLY A GIANT STICKER YOU CAN INCORPORATE INTO WHAT IS CONSISTENT RIGHT NOW WITH THE TURQUOISE AND LANDSCAPING. THAT TECHNOLOGY IS AVAILABLE TO INCORPORATE AND STILL MAKE IT LOOK UNIFORM AND MAKE IT BEAUTIFUL FOR PEOPLE BUT GENERATE A LITTLE BIT OF INCOME FOR THE TRANSIT SYSTEM. YES, $62 MILLION IS A DROP IN THE BUCKET. OBVIOUSLY, THEY'RE HAVING TROUBLE WITH THAT SPENDING BECAUSE WE CAN'T GET ENOUGH DRIVERS, WE CAN'T GET ENOUGH SECURITY SYSTEM. WE ONLY CLEAN THE BUSES HOW MANY TIMES WEEK. THIS MIGHT ADD TO IT. WE SPEND X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS TO ADVERTISE ON DIFFERENT CITY BUSES. WE ADVERTISE VISIT ALBUQUERQUE ON DENVER. WE DON'T WORRY ABOUT THEIR TRANSIT SYSTEM. IT IS MAINLY DESIGNED TO BRING BACK INCOME. TO HELP SUBDIZE THINGS, AND MAYBE POINT THE MONEY IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION OF SANITARY OR HELPING TO HIRE OR PEOPLE OR INCREASE WAGES. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. I WAS ONE OF THE ONES THAT ACTUALLY DID NOT WANT TO REMOVE THE WRAP. AND I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT. I THINK FOR THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY IN ALBUQUERQUE, I THINK THEY SEE IT AS A THIS WAY TO ADVERTISE IN TERMS OF A LIVING BILL BOARD. YOUR ADVERTISEMENT CAN BE SEEN ACROSS THE CITY. THROUGHOUT THE CITY, WITHOUT IT BEING STUCK IN ONE LOCATION. I THINK YOU GET MORE VIEWS. AND IN REFERENCE TO THAT. I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE MOTIVATION IS IN REFERENCE TO THE COMPANIES THAT WANT TO ADVERTISE ON THE BUSES. I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING FOR THE BUSINESSES AND THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY THAT WANT TO ADVERTISE AND HAVE THAT ROVING OR MOVING BILLBOARD. THANK YOU. >>COUN. GROUT: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF -- OH. GO AHEAD AND CLOSE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM-PRESIDENT. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. I UNDERSTAND IT WAS SEVEN MONTHS AGO. I SAT IN THE AUDIENCE SEVEN MONTHS AGO WHEN IT PASSED AND I DIDN'T AGREE WITH IT THEN. BEING IN THIS POSITION I WANTED TO SEE IF WE CAN BRING IT BACK TO SOMETHING BETTER THAN WHAT IT WAS. WE TALK ABOUT IS IT DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO REMOVE THE WRAPS. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGY. YOU'RE NOT PAINTING, YOU'RE ADDING A STICKER. YOU KNOW, MAYBE I FAILED TO SAY THIS, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT 50% FOR BUSINESS ADVERTISING AND OTHER 50% WE HONED IN FOR POLITICALS, BUT IT CAN BE USED FOR NONPROFIT. YOU CAN HAVE NONPROFIT ADVERTISING AT THE SAME TIME. THANK YOU. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF R-24-60, RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. OPPOSED? 5-3, IT PASSES. LET'S MOVE TO R-71. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MAP. AMENDING THE RANK MASTER PLAN FOR THE DOUBLE EAGLE TO ALLOW AIR NAUTICAL LAND USES INCLUDING INDUSTRIAL EDUCATION, AND FILM STUDIO AND ADD PERMISSIVE USES UNDER THE NEW SECTION OF THE MASTER PLAN. APPROPRIATE LAND USES. >> THIS IS QUASI-JUDICIAL. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SWEAR PEOPLE IN. >>COUN. GROUT: R-71 HAS BEEN MOVED BY COUNCILOR SANCHEZ AND SECONDED BY COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. R-24-71 IS QUASI-JUDICIAL REQUEST THAT REQUIRES SPECIAL PROCEDURES. TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT STAFF AND PUBLIC THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. THIS AGENDA ITEM WILL PROCEED AS FOLLOWS, COUNCIL PLANNING STAFF PRESENTATION IS FIVE MINUTES, APPLICANTS PRESENTATION NOINTS, TESTIMONY BY PUBLIC SPEAKERS TWO MINUTEDS. REBUTTAL BY APPLICANT FIVE MINUTES. CROSS EXAMINATION TWO MINUTES EACH. COMMENTS BY PLANNING DEPARTMENT, IF ANY FIVE MINUTES. COUNCIL PLANNING STAFF CLOSING COMMENTS IF ANY FIVE MINUTES. CITY STAFF AND THE APPLICANT MUST BE SWORN IN. IF YOU'RE SPEAKING TONIGHT, AS A STAFF MEMBER OR APPLICANT, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU AFFIRM UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY THAT YOUR TESTIMONY TODAY WILL BE TRUE? OKAY. MR. DELGADO PLEASE BEGIN. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: WE HAVE FLOOR AMENDMENT. DO WE DO THAT FIRST? >>COUN. GROUT: I THINK WE DO THAT AFTER. >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCILORS. BEFORE YOU WE HAVE R-24-71. WHICH IS THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE AVIATION DEPARTMENT REQUESTING A MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENT MAJOR AMENDMENT TO THE DOUBLE EAGLE II AIRPORT. ACCEPTANCE OF THIS RESOLUTION SIGNIFIES THE APPROVAL OF THE AMENDMENT TO THE DOUBLE EAGLE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN. THESE AMENDMENTS AIM TO BROADEN THE RANGE OF LAND USES ALLOWED ON APT PROPERTY BY INTRODUCING A NEW SEKZ TO THE MASTER PLAN. APPROPRIATE LAND USES. BECAUSE THE CITY COUNCIL WAS THE ORIGINAL BODY THAT ADOPTED THE MASTER PLAN THIS AMENDMENT WILL REQUIRE APPROVAL BY THE COUNCIL. JUST TO GIVE YOU A BIT OF SITE INFORMATION, THE MASTER PLAN COVERS ABOUT 4500 ACRES. LOCATED AT 7401 VISTA BOULEVARD BETWEEN ATRISCO BOULEVARD AND SHOOTING RANGE. THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS ADOPTING IN 2019. THE SITE IS CURRENTLY ZONED NON-RESIDENTIAL ZONE DISTRICT AND WILL REMAIN THAT. THE PROPOSED TEXT AMENDMENT PROPOSES A LIST OF PERMISSIVE LAND USES WHICH INCLUDE COMMERCIAL, LODGING, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, EDUCATIONAL, FILM STUDIO, AND ENERGY GENERATION. APPROVAL OF THE RESOLUTION WILL FACILITATE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPOSED USES THROUGH A SEPARATE APPROVAL PROCESS. THE PROPOSED LAND USES WILL BE REQUIRED TO BE INCORPORATED INTO EPC APPROVED SITE PLAN AND ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL APPROVAL FOR DEVELOPMENT. IN TERMS OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNING COMMUNICATION, THE EPC HEARD THIS ON APRIL 18 AND VOTED TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENT EPC MAJOR AMENDMENT. WITH THREE CONDITIONS. MUST MEET THE CONDITIONS WITHIN ONE YEAR. THE CITY MUST PRIDE UPDATED MASTER PLAN AND ALSO THE ALBUQUERQUE WATER AUTHORITY ALSO REQUESTED THAT THE CITY ENGAGE WITH WATER AUTHORITY IN UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE PROPOSED LAND USE CHANGES WHAT THE IMPACTS WOULD BE RELATED TO WATER AND SANITARY SYSTEMS. IN TERMS OF PUBLIC COMMENT, ACCORDING TO THE EPC RECORDS THE CITY OFFICE OF NEIGHBORHOOD COORDINATION FOUND NO EFFECTED NEIGHBORHOOD ORGANIZATION. PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 10 FEET WERE NOTIFIED AS REQUIRED. AND AS OF THAT RECORD, CITY STAFF HAS NOT RECEIVED OR CONTACTED ANY WRITTEN COMMENTS. WE DO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY. NOW FOLLOWING WILL BE THE APPLICATION. WE HAVE DEPUTY DIRECTOR ENRIQUEZ. >> THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS AMENDMENT TO MASTER PLAN. I'LL HAND IT OVER TO DEPUTY DIRECTOR. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCILORS. SO, WHAT THIS MASTER PLAN TEXT AMENDMENT WILL ENABLE US TO DO IS TO WORK WITH THE DEVELOPERS AND PRIVATE SECTOR ENTITIES TO BRING INVESTMENT TO DOUBLE EAGLE II PROPERTIES OFF OF THE AIRFIELD. WHAT THAT ACCOMPLISHES IS TO REALLY MAKE DOUBLE EAGLE II SELF-SUSTAINING. THE AVIATION DEPARTMENT SUBSIDIZING THE OPERATIONS OF THE DOUBLE EAGLE II AIRPORT TO THE TUNE OF $1.5 MILLION PER YEAR. SO, BRINGING IN PRIVATE INVESTMENT SUCH AS THE MESA FILM STUDIOS WHICH WE NOW HAVE UNDER LEASE AND ARE WORKING DILIGENTLY TO ENABLE THEM TO BEGIN THEIR INVESTMENT AND BREAK GROUND, THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF A PROJECT THAT'S GOING TO TRANSFORM THIS AIRPORT AND BOOST OUR ECONOMY AND CREATE HIGH-QUALITY JOBS. TO GIVE YOU GREATER CON TEXT WE HAVE GENERAL AVIATION TERMINAL AND WE HAVE TWO HANGER DEVELOPMENTS BOTH ON FIVE-ACRE PARCELS THAT ARE BEING BUILT BY PRIVATE DEVELOPERS. THIS IS REALLY THE DOUBLE EAGLE II GROWING UP. AND MODERNIZING THAT FACILITY. AND WORKING HAND AND HAND THROUGH PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP MODEL WITH PRIVATE SECTOR. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO TO TESTIMONY BY PUBLIC SPEAKERS. WOULD YOU CALL OUR FIRST SPEAKER? >> THANK YOU. OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS BERNEADETTE FOLLOWED BY RENEE ON ZOOM. >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND COUNCIL PRESIDENT GROUT. I'M A MEMBER OF THE NAVAJO NATION. I'M RESIDENT OF DISTRICT SIX AND LIVE NEXT TO KIRTLAND AIR FORCE BASE AND THE ALBUQUERQUE INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT. I LIVED WITH THE IMPACTS OF WHAT LARGE COMMERCIAL AIRPORT CAN CAUSE FOR NEIGHBORHOODS IN MY DISTRICT ARE PART OF A SUPER FUND SITE. SIX DISTRICT -- DISTRICT SIX HAS BEEN SUBJECT TO JET FUEL SPILLS, CONTAMINATION AIR, TOXIC WATER, NOISE POLLUTION AND VISUAL IMPAIRMENT. I DO NOT WISH THIS ON ANY OTHER COMMUNITY ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE NEAR THE PETROGYLPH. WHERE WAS THE TRIBAL CONSULTATION ON THIS? IT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN AND WE DIDN'T GET ANY INO -- INFO ON IT. WILL THERE BE ANY TRIBAL CONSULTATION THAT WILL HAPPEN? THANK YOU. >> RENEE FOLLOWED BY MICHAEL. >> GOOD EVENING. I LIVE ON THE WEST SIDE. >>COUN. GROUT: MS. -- >> RENEE. PLEASE PAUSE FOR A MOMENT. >>COUN. GROUT: I NEED YOU TO RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU AFFIRM UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY THAT YOUR TESTIMONY TODAY WILL BE TRUE? >> YES. THE WEST SIDE COALITION WAS REALLY NOT NOTIFIED OF THE PROPOSAL UNTIL THE PETROGLYPH NOTIFIED US ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL. AND AS A RESULT WE DID ATTEND THE EPC HEARING, AND EVEN THOUGH THEY SAID THERE WAS NO PUBLIC COMMENT AND SUCH, WE WERE THERE AT THE EPC HEARING BUT WE DID NOT HAVE TIME TO EVEN ASK FOR FACILITATED MEETING. WE DID ATTEND AND EXPRESSED OUR CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT KIND OF USES ARE YOU LOOKING AT AND HOW WILL IT IMPACT THE NATIONAL MONUMENT. BECAUSE WE DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT. ALSO SOME OF THE PILOTS I TALKED TO THAT USED THE DOUBLE EAGLE, THEY TOO JUST LEARNED ABOUT IT. AND THEY HAD SOME CONCERNS AS WELL. LIKE IS THIS GOING TO IMPACT HOW WE USE OUR AVIATION FACILITY. ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT IS MAKING SURE THAT THE USES ARE COMPATIBLE WITH NOT ONLY THEAVEINATION BUT SENSITIVE TO THE MONUMENT. BUT ALSO THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING ARE COMPATIBLE AND COMPLIMENT THE PETROGLYPH MONUMENT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP IS THE VIEW SHED AND THE VOLCANOS LOOKING TOWARD MOUNT TAYLOR BECAUSE THE VOLCANOS ARE CENTRALLY LOCATED BETWEEN THE MOUNTAIN RANGES BETWEEN THE SANDIAS AND MOUNT TAYLOR AND JEMEZ. TLRP THE THIS IS SACRED TO THE PUEBLO. AND SO, WE NEED TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE VIEW SHED. THE PARK SERVICE JUST SENT A LETTER TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TODAY TO SAY THESE USES WILL ALLOW BUILDINGS. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. UP >> UP NEXT WE HAVE MICHAEL. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO SWEAR IN? [ SWEARING IN ] >> GOOD MORNING, VICE-PRESIDENT AND COUNCILORS. I SUPPORT AMENDING THE DOUBLE II AIRPORT MASTER PLAN TO INCLUDE FACILITIES FOR A FILM STUDIO. OR AN FFA EXCLUSION WAS OBTAINED. HOWEVER THE ADDITIONAL FIVE NONAIRE NAUTICAL USES DID NOT RECEIVE EXCLUSIONS. NOR WERE FINDINGS OR INVESTMENTS FOUND. INCLUDING THESE CHANGES IN VIOLATION OF FAA ORDER JEOPARDIZES SIGNIFICANT FEDERAL FUND TO THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. AS SUCH I RECOMMEND THE COUNCIL REMOVE THOSE FIVE ADDITIONAL NONUSES FROMTHEM AMENDMENT TO THE MASTER PLAN AT THIS TIME. THAT WILL ALLOW THE FILM STUDIO USE TO MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT VIOLATING FEDERAL LAW AND EXPOSING THE CITY TO UNNECESSARY LEGAL JEOPARDY. SEPARATELY, THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS OF THE OTHER PROPOSED USES SHOULD BE STUDIED IN ACCORDANCE WITH FEDERAL LAW AND IF WARRANTED THE MASTER PLAN CAN BEA MENDED TO HAVE SUCH USES AT THAT TIME. I THANK THE AVIATION DEPARTMENT FOR RECENTLY REACHING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY FOR INPUT. AS WE WERE EXCLUDED FROM NOTIFICATION ORIGINALLY. AND I HOPE THAT THE PROPER PROCESSES WILL BE FOLLOWED GOING FORWARD. THANK YOU. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. >> THAT CONCLUDES COMMENT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. WE'LL MOVE TO REBUTTAL BY APPLICANT. FIVE MINUTES. >> SO, SEVERAL ENGAGEMENTS AND DISCUSSIONS DID OCCUR. THE FAA WHEN IT WAS CONDUCTING THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW REACHED OUT TO THE NATIONAL PARKS SERVICE AND THE LOCAL TRIBES AND PUEBLOS. THEY WERE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY AT THAT TIME DURING THE REVIEW PROCESS TO GIVE COMMENT. NO COMMENTS WERE PROVIDED AT THAT TIME. ADDITIONALLY, I WANT TO POINT OUT THE GENTLEMAN'S COMMENT ABOUT THE PROCESS. SO, WHEN WE HAVE A CONCRETE PROJECT THAT HAS A DEFINITION AROUND IT, AND PARAMETERS AND DETAILS WE CAN PROVIDE TO THE FAA THAT SWEN IS WHEN WE SUBMIT FOR THE REVIEW. THIS AMENDMENT PROVIDES MORE ALLOWABLE USES. SHOULD WE ENGAGE WITH ANOTHER PROJECT, WE WOULD WORK WITH THAT ENTITY TO PROVIDE DETAILS TO THE FAA AND THE FAA WOULD REVIEW CASE BY CASE THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPLICATION. SO, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS NOT A VIOLATION OF FEDERAL LAW. IN FACT, WE DO THIS ALL THE TIME AT THE SUNPORT. WE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT ALLOWABLE USES AND EACH TIME WE HAVE CONCRETE PROJECT WE SUBMIT THE DETAILS TO THE FAA. ADDITIONALLY, THE OFFICE OF EQUITY AND INCLUSION REACHED OUT TO SOME OF THE LOCAL TRIBES AND PUEBLO FOR COMMENT. NONE WERE PROVIDED TO THE OFFICE OF EQUITY AND INCLUSION FOR OUR CONSIDERATION. MOVING FORWARD WE'RE GOING TO BE ESTABLISHING AN UPDATED MASTER PLAN PROCESS. THIS PROCESS WILL TAKE ROUGHLY ABOUT A YEAR. AT THAT TIME WE WILL INVITE ALL THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS FOR A ROBUST CONVERSATION ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE AIRPORT. WE'RE USING THE ALLOWABLE USING TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH PRIVATE SECTOR ENTITIES THAT MAY BE INTERESTED IN ECONOMIC GROWTH OPPORTUNITIES. >>COUN. GROUT: OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO CROSS EXAMINATION BY ANYONE WHO SPOKE DURING PUBLIC COMMENT. YOU'LL HAVE TWO MINUTES EACH. DOES ANYBODY WANT TO SPEAK? OKAY MR. VOORHES? >> SURE. QUESTION FOR MR. ENRIQUEZ, HE'S STATING ONLY PROJECTS READY TO BUILD GO ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW. THAT'S NOT THE WAY THE NATIONAL ENVIRONMENT POLICY WORKS. WHEN YOU A MASTERPLAN THAT GOVERNS THE FACILITY THAT IS FEDERALLY AFFILIATED. THE STUDIES HAVE TO BE CONDUCTED PRIOR TO AMENDING A MASTER PLAN. THAT'S THE WAY IT'S DONE ACROSS THE COUNTRY. AND SO, WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S -- >>COUN. GROUT: MIKE. CAN YOU STOP FOR ONE MOMENT? >> MICHAEL. CAN YOU STOP FOR A MOMENT? THANK YOU. >> SORRY TO INTERRUPT, I'M JUST INTERRUPTING BECAUSE IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT MR. VOORHEES IS CROSS EXAMINING, HE'S TESTIFYING. >> WHERE IS IT IN 4B IN REGARD TO THE AIRPORTS DOES IT STATE THAT REVISIONS TO MAJOR USAGE IN AN AIRPORT MASTER PLAN DOES NOT HAVE TO ENGAGE IN THE NATIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY ACT PROCESS? WE CAN'T FIND THAT. AND HE'S MAKING ASSERTIONS THAT'S OKAY. >> LET ME UNDERSTAND. YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU'RE INTERPRETING THAT WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE MASTER PLAN PROCESS WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THE NEPA PROCESS. WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THE MASTER PLAN PROCESS THAT IS PART WHERE THEY DO THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY. WHEN YOU DO AMENDMENTS THEY LOOK AT THAT FOR THE FUTURE. YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO TEMPORARY CHANGES TO IT. IN THIS CASE, WE'RE DOING A TEMPORARY CHANGE TO THE AIRPORT LAYOUT PLAN WHICH IS THE DRAWING TO IDENTIFY THIS AREA. YOU'RE ENTITLED TO DO THAT. YOU SEND IT TO THE FAA. YOU TAKE IT THROUGH THE COUNCIL PROCESSES. THAT IS A PROCESS YOU'RE ENTITLED TO DO. IF WE DO AN ASSESSMENT AND CHANGE TO OVERALL MASTER PLAN IN OTHER AREAS IN THOSE AREAS WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE FULL PROCESS INTO AN EPA STUDY. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. SIR, WE HAVE TO MOVE ON. NOW WE NEED TO MOVE ON TO MS. HARDY. YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES, MA'AM. [ INAUDIBLE ] THAT'S IT. [ INAUDIBLE ]. >>COUN. GROUT: MA'AM. WHY DON'T YOU TALK IN THE MICROPHONE SO WE CAN GET IT ON RECORD. SAY IT IN THE MICROPHONE. >> WE JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHO YOU SPOKE TO.