Yes. Oh, okay. So we are now live. Chair Seldner, the show is working. I'll cut the agenda. I'll cut the agenda. Is it time to call the meeting to order? I think we're still waiting. Nope, we're live. We're live. We're running. Okay. Is it time to call the meeting to order? Yes, sir. Okay, I will call the meeting to order. First item is the agenda. I'll move approval of the agenda of Monday, June 16th. Second. I approve the agenda. I do too. I do as well. And then I'll move approval of the minutes from Tuesday, June 3rd, 2025. I second. I'll approve. vote approved vote approved and then uh do you want to make the motion um so i move that we go into closed session pursuant to nmsa 1978 section 1015 1 h3 in connection with this administrative adjudicatory proceeding to deliberate on the briefing and argument presented um two weeks ago a few weeks out yeah before we go into closed session um and before we get seconds on the motion I'd just like to ask everyone to edit their appearances so we have a record we start with Mr Miller in the top left hand corner good afternoon uh Mr Chair and members of the board this is Justin Miller on behalf of the Albuquerque City Council Good afternoon, Commission. This is Brian Nichols from the model Sperling law firm for the mayor. Any other entries of appearance? Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman, members of the board. This is Fred Maurer on behalf of the IAFF 244. You want to make your motion? So I remove to go into closed session. Um, pursuant to section 1015 1 H 3 in connection with this administrative adjudicatory proceeding to deliberate on the briefing and argument that has been previously presented. Second support the motion. Yes, yes. Okay. All right, bear with me. I'm gonna move you into. Okay. A, um, So once you do that, how do we come back into the main session? Do we ask you or do we just come back into the main session? So there should be a button that allows you to return or leave the breakout room. Okay. So let's see. I assume that Mr. Jackson will join us in the closed session. That's correct. Zoom willing. Okay. Okay. And I believe they're all in the breakout room now. missing missing well fred and um but mainly brian nichols there's brian got everybody somebody's missing no we got everybody was one another woman down there jennifer yeah there was somebody else on who's not on now but yeah jennifer was uh oh there she is there she is all right all right okay um first of all let me uh state for the record that the only matters discussed in the motion for all but i recognize mr white the purpose of making a motion. I move that the committee go back into public meeting for the purposes of a decision in this matter. I second. I support that motion. Yes. Yes. Now you're. Okay. So the only matters that were discussed in the closed meeting were those that are listed on the agenda for today's meeting. Right. And With that, I'm going to recognize Mr. White for purposes of making the motion. Proceed, Mr. White. Mr. Chairman, I move we adopt the following decision. The City Council does not have the power under the Charter to specify staffing requirements in R25-122 with the degree of specificity that it includes. I second Mr. White's motion. Vote. Okay. We vote. Yes. I vote yes. I vote yes on the motion. Yes. Yes. Okay. Can you vote yes? I vote yes. I oppose the motion. My motion would have said that the city council does have the power to pass R25122, establishing minimum staffing requirements for Albuquerque fire rescue, um, rescue apparatus. The, uh, the committee will submit a written decision based on the votes that you just heard. at the committee's next meeting on July 7 2025. Is there anything further? Chairman, I move we adjourn. Second. I'll support that motion. Yeah. I think a question from, I think there's a question. Somebody has a question before we adjourn. Mr. Chair, do you have a question? Yeah. A request. Could Mr. White read his motion again? Maybe slower and I'll try and write it down. Or can it be sent a different means? That's fine. Mr. White. Well, I'll get it. I'll get with a crystal ball, get the language out and that the decision, that particular motion we can send out within the next day or so. Thank you. Okay. Any other questions? And do you want the opposition as well? Members of the committee, if I could, I'm proposing that we could draft up an order reflecting the resolution of this hearing for distribution. I mean, we could distribute it to the parties like we would draft minutes and it would be voted on at the next committee meeting, but I'm open to the committee's preferences on that. That's fine with me. That the order would accompany the findings and conclusions or decision or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And just for my clarity, does the committee want to prepare some sort of longer written decision or is it just the order? I mean, I'm not suggesting you should either way. I just want to clarify what the committee's intent is. I think the ordinance required, I think the ordinance says findings and conclusions or uses that term. So it'll be something in the nature It'll be an order and then I think we're required to have findings and conclusions of some sort. So, it'll be findings and conclusions with a dissent. And in order. And in order. Okay. But the language that I think Mr. Nichols was looking for will be distributed within the next couple of days. Correct. And we can draft that based on the Zoom hearing, based on the recording. And so this is Mr. Chairman members board I'm this is Fred Meyer I couldn't hear the one part I heard City Council does not have the authority to and I kind of I lost I'll read it one more time before we go how does that sound Mr. Chairman one more time that's it the City Council does not have the power under the Charter to specify staffing requirements as they did in our R25-122 with the degree of specificity that it included. Thank you. Anything further before we adjourn? Can I have a motion to adjourn, please? So moved. Second. We are adjourned. Thank you, Paul. I think we need to vote on that. Apologies, members of the committee. Yes. Yes. Yes. Great. Thank you.