>> To address a behavioral health issues for a subset of this population. just going to be punitive. And finally an enforcement. I appreciate that this administration's stated approach is to seek compliance and not necessarily seeking charges and incarceration. But this is going to be a tool if a sinkhole that can be used in theory to the fullest extent law. And so trust this administration. But can we trust the future administration too? You know, and minister it with humanity or might we expect the fullest extent of law that could be up to a year? You know, especially if charges rack up from folks sleeping in public. Thank you for your time and consideration. >> Thank you. Welcome, please. State your part of town you're from. You'll have 3 minutes. >> Hello. My name is Bailey. A critter shavings. I From Midtown, but my family from New Novak Island. Where do pick Alaskan? That means said I did want to address. I know it has been for that. But the large majority of people. That this acts, our Alaska native that's been brought up But essentially this is criminal. sitting us on our own land. And you know, I have been houses before I currently have loved ones who are houseless. done volunteer work for food, not bombs, providing food for the houses in our community. What I have seen loosely. So I also currently live and have lived in some of the worst parts of Anchorage rarely ever have. I been harassed mostly. I get asked or later or for a cigarette, people want to chat. What I have seen is people in need. And compassion. We need community funding and not khaleesi. Lastly, I encourage you all. Everyone here. If you are approached in your car when you stop at a red light by a houseless personally. Don't just ignore them. Look in the eye. If you want through Monday. Just ahead tonight, just a wave just acknowledge that. They're human beings. Members of our community. Canada. >> Thank you. Welcome, Chris. Are you speaking on your behalf for the council officially? And for the public? Who doesn't understand an elected representative representing community Council may have up to 500 right. And County welcomes self to please state your name. What part of Turner from you'll have 3 minutes. >> Good afternoon. My name is Chris Turner and I will disclose and president of MIT and Community Council. But I am talking for myself today. Thank you for the opportunity of being here. Thank you for taking this subject up and having a very open conversation. We've heard lot of really synthetic talk tonight about homelessness and people who are in that situation because of that, I really changing what I'm gonna talk about. I'm going to talk about when you Cam Inman town and one small business and how they're being affected by camp. >> In this in this business and their parking lot. Prostitutes are doing business. And when they're asked to leave, they're told no. Campers argue with firemen. When the fire department is called in and have fires and the fires are being used to burn rubber off of copper wire. Campers, harass customers inside and outside of this business, campers business restrooms and then locked themselves in the restaurant for hours preventing employees and customers from using the restrooms. Dealers are selling their drugs in the open. The shop that was doing business in this parking. This is parking lot and again, wouldn't leave when they were asked to leave. There is one woman in that area. It walks around with little to no clothing on their staffs. There is staffed and there's more theft. Those are just basic somewhere happening on that particular camp, that camp has 11 people living at it as per account that we did this week. They also had a drug dealer that was there. He drove a really nice BMW. He had a girl with him in a guy with him. We have some really good testimony earlier today about the drug dealers. And I would totally agree with that. We really need to deal with this as we can with our police department and prosecutors. I support the extradition of this. And thank you again for allowing me to speak. Thank you. Welcome, please. State your name. Part 100 from you'll have 3 minutes. >> I have a TV. So I got a I just my focus but you pull the microphone down. This is for it to be mindful that time. My name is Cara Francis Malone. I'm not from Alaska, but I have been in Alaskan residents since December 1993. >> September 1994, for for Anchorage and perch particular high have lived in various apartments, not too many, but a few amount to to be familiar with the city. I've never truly been homeless in Alaska till recent June second 2025, I don't feel at home in this state since that my children by OCS and Opa, both those sister agencies are great. >> Are in great need. Of modern modification. Eradication God willing. If possible. I do not feel safe as far as the state goes, but I did not share those that same sentiment towards the city. I want to feel safe in the city and already, And of course, with that said, I do not know exactly what we are doing here. I haven't had the chance to learn what we are petitioning for as far as a matter of territory territorial subject. That's understandable. What I do not understand what all the details. Of the order ordinance lull or proposal is being presented. And what does that have to do it in to build individuality? For the homeless population, various. >> We cannot lump everyone under the same umbrella. I'm asking you to consider knock criminalizing homelessness, rather built resources and have alternative sources that people can turn 2 because criminalizing poverty is cruel, not all home. This people are criminals instead creating laws that stepped on or kick a person while they are ready down and now is cruelty. Please find it in your heart to find the right. Evan Hughes, so that it will pick up her son up instead. Well, all you living a safe, secure, comfortable and maybe even a lavish lifestyle. Lack of those blessings are not easily available to others. Please do not forget that the lack of those same blessings that you all get to enjoy does not make a person not human. And on the contrary being cruel towards the poor and stricken is inhumane. I am begging you. Please find it in your heart to listen. But to really hear us hear the voices that have been silence. We are individuals. We're all individuals who have a story that could tell you how that came to Please don't punish homeless community for is largely diapers and possibly growing. Please consider ways to help. And I hinder not criminalize because some of us have been put through the wringer unjustly and and to serve and to be treated like trash. Please do not discard what has been damaged instead salvage. What can he say for every individual is a life that you can help save. Not away. I think together we can come up with more ideas for a better solution. Thank you for your time. I think you can make it better for everyone. Not just for the lucky few. >> Thank Welcome, please. State your name. What part of town you're from? You'll have 3 minutes. >> Thank you. My name is Randal also and I live in Chugiak Eagle River. I was a juror would make it here in time after work. I'm glad that it's still going and thank you for the opportunity to comment on the substitute versions of 2, 2, 5, 7, 4, I want to begin by recognizing the substantial effort that went into developing than us 2 version of this ordinance, as well as the various amendments which have been discussed and work sessions and look to refine elements of this plan and strategic ways. It's clear that many of the changes respond directly to feedback offered during earlier testimony, including concerns raised about enforcement, thresholds penalties, pretrial diversion programs and the need for safeguards for vulnerable members of our community. Their responsiveness is commendable and your efforts are appreciated. This is a hard issue there. A few topics in the city that provoke us much passion and frustration as the question of how we manage public spaces. Well, also responding humanely to homelessness. >> Let's just as well. So I'm going interrupt for just a moment. You are to testify. 22 that you can only speak to the changes in the S 2 version. >> that context, the St version represent something unusual. Vitally important, a genuine compromise and moderates, the scope of prohibited areas. And there is the focus to the most unsafe and inappropriate locations. It has guardrails and clarifies enforcement pathways. It doesn't go as far as some would like, but that's why it may succeed where other efforts had failed. There's a saying a good compromise leaves everyone a little unhappy. And while that may be uncomfortable, it's often a hallmark of thoughtful, balanced policy making this ordinance won't solve homelessness, but it can provide an enforceable constitutionally sound tool to protect our parks trails neighborhoods. becomes part. And when paired with diversion programs, outreach services and housing investments, it becomes part of a broader strategy. It's the kind of leadership Anchorage needs and I encourage you to support the St version of the ordinance is an example of that. Thank you. >> Thank you. Welcome, please. State your name. What part of town you're 3 minutes. >> And hello. My name is John and >> to make it 2 minutes or sorry and use book before us. Well, yep, so please keep your comments to the version. >> And from Mountain View. Along Lake Laskin. I lived in rendition. Us is an increase for 21 years. He released for children here. I am. I'm very distressed to hear that Farina Brown may be leaving the meeting. I find her genuinely caring, visionary for good change. If true, her resignation would shout from the rooftops than this direction of this administration's priorities. >> Thank you to consider that. And so happy to live in Mountain view. Most days I walk out. Cleaners. I plant wildflowers in the small open spaces along the paths. They speak gently with my neighbors because healing our brings ripples of peace. It helps our eyes and our hearts to soften to see tiny growing things and clarity to full spaces. grants consultant one of my clients. Alaska Native Land. Trust to connections after indigenous in their healing circles that surround hurting people of all heritage is who've experienced trauma with a circle care. Unlike prohibitively expensive behavioral health, this approach honors traditional paths to healing through community, helping people to find their own transformation. There are 3 things strike me about the mayor, fence proposal. Sleeping with become sleeping in public could become illegal. We began this meeting with a land acknowledgment. Beautiful and acknowledgement. Almost 60% of the unsheltered people in Anchorage or Alaskan native. The hypocrisy of this proposed ordinance to make it illegal for people to sleep on the land. That was stolen from them. And that the assembly and Muni gives lip service to before each of their meetings. Lee's most voiceless. new representatives to state publicly everyone is given the option for shelter. We know that isn't supported by the numbers. I race. >> I'm going to interrupt Just want to make sure people understand if you testified before you really are supposed to testify on this very specific changes. >> testified before. I thought I'd ask you, if you did. Can we please move it back to where it was us? I stopped. Your time is running. My time is You interrupted presented by stop the clock. Many a time is running. I ask how could be making any statement that everyone is given the option for shelter >> And how to do that. Thank you. >> Welcome, please. State your name. part of town from the last 3 minutes. Your time expired. >> He took my time. I'm asking for compliance the doesn't right for compliance with the point of So can I ask the Testifier a question in May. >> Can you please put your testimony? I'd like to hear it. actually not okay to you. That is not. question might. My question is what was the rest of your testimony? Thank you. >> I question the genuineness of the choice. Between Mister Chair. How many of us Mister Johnson we have to leave that question is in order to ask you needed to finish their quest to I also like to raise a point where a disturbance in the audience. I agree. In fact, I'm going to ask this whole group to be removed. If you don't come to order. >> You are warned Ukraine this >> Sir, ma'am, excuse a point of order has been raised. I'm going to agree with Mr. Johnson, that the question is out of order because it is an open-ended question not seeking to find facts but instead to continue member of the public testimony. Point of order, Mr. Chair, I think that gentleman is still in the white hat. I know you've been waiting for a long time, but >> you You're creating an actual March, Please speak to that yet. Mister Chair, the gentleman is creating an actual disturbance. And your second point of order, I also agree and they have been warned. So the question was out of order. you have a fact-finding question, something specific, it would be in order. >> She was asking me about my facts. Thank Your time is expired. And now you're creating an actual disturbance. need you to move away from. >> Security. Please remove this individual. She is unwilling to comply. >> member I voted for you and I voted for you. >> Will proceed with the public hearing next? Please welcome. The microphone been turned off. So if you're ready to testify, will need turn the microphone back on. As a green button. Welcome, please. State your name. What part of town you're from? You'll have 3 minutes. >> My name is sealed millions and also. Now playing in the snow >> actually isn't a lot right? Not get whatever. How that? and follow us and keep us both. Keep watching. We can that. We can't. Stop Brett? Sentiment are actually really nice. But some of Just last fall's. And they like And then we understand where they're coming from in. for off-piste a brick to it. And then. They they were. 3 miles job right now. working on things. And everybody else. But know that. The push to snow don't know. There's people doing drugs here there and everywhere still that they're going make sure that. That's Should make sure that they in But so that. The kids in there. Families and everybody what he meant. Now, sky. Certain mean, got a couple recordings and but mean, they even grew to my kids, not knowing that they were coming to get me and the whole situation during the debate and maybe they should over that. then instead of all of us. >> All right. Thank you. And before you speak, sir, I at the end of the last meeting at a point of order called and did not really have an opportunity to address the point of order because there was only 2 seconds remaining. And so I will say right now and right here that. Have a limited public forum and we do not regulate the content of your speech beyond the fact that it must be in compliance with this ordinance and the limitation that you previously spoke. So you may speak 2, the changes, however. I will let you know that we can regulate the time place and manner of speech. And if the volume in this room become so loud that people cannot here. I will stop the time and we will stop your testimony and we will come back to order. So I just want to put that out there before we begin. Welcome, please state your name. What part of town you're from have 3 minutes, OK, Chris, I will speak really quietly. Okay. >> My name is James William Tebow from South Anchorage. I'm here to speak on the perch owes changes to ordinance to 0 to 5, 7, 4, And it's 2. I'm coming at this with a different perspective than anything you've heard tonight. There are several changes here listed. Respectfully submitted by Suzanne LaFrance. The mayor that have not been pointed out tonight. The whereas clauses mentioning. Therapeutic courts pre charging division diversion, behavioral health interventions. Are we gonna try and trick homeless people into the criminal justice system by making them think that they need to go to therapy to court. Missus said Mayor, do you understand that therapeutic court has a financial yearly. That cost can be waived for certain applicants. Do you understand that? Just because the municipality of Anchorage and acting municipal attorney Joseph, you, sir, says that. We are switching to pretrial diversion, behavioral health, therapeutic court. First. That we should be putting homeless people into the criminal justice system. Just because do you know what it takes to get to therapy to court misses mayor, I had a girlfriend in 2015, I was awarded. The group Date Award by Judge Wallace for helping my girlfriend get to therapy to court. She was from a native village. I hope to get to the drug tests. Do you know that they call your color? You have to be downtown to 2 hours. Do you know how hard it is to get downtown if you don't know how to ride a bus? This woman had 4 children and we took them until everywhere. We went. Not everyone has someone like me to assist when I spoke with you at your inauguration in-depth, I asked you to come out and speak to these encampments. I told you specifically abatement wasn't working. I was the guy in Chris Town Square with that. Thank you, Suzanne. Lafrance sign and the homeless. This is not a current and care about our neighbors. That was me. We spoke for about 20 minutes. And it was a good conversation which you brought forth of this up respectfully submitted is not what we talked about. It's not what we voted. You for. I want to bring up the buffer, the 200 foot. My friends were on 54th Avenue in Old Seward Highway misses mayor last year until they were abated. I used to go there after work in Cental 06:00AM and wait for the first bus. Let me tell you, this is mayor. There is not a lot of sleeping going on in these camps. Let me point out a legal loophole. Are you going to trick people go into therapy to court because they don't know there's there. Bill of Rights. How are you going to prove in a court beyond a reasonable doubt that anyone was sleeping? By sending them to therapeutic or where they don't know their rights. Thank chair. Thank you. Welcome, sir. Please state your name. What part of town from have 3 minutes. >> My name is Bruce Ferguson. currently the chair of the Hillside Community Council. I'm not here to speak for the community Council. I also participate in the recently formed the Coalition for the Homeless between Hillside Community Council. They had a Stanley Community Council and Northeast Community Council. That organization was formed about 2 months ago. 2 review and look at the homeless initiative as the mayor of as well as good work that you folks have been doing as well. I also work with a group of folks that we call ourselves additional community organization. We assist people that through some tragedy, loss of their have don't have the means find another home. Generally speaking, those folks fall into a category of usually they're renting and fireworks. Some other cats catastrophic event they have. They don't have the ability to find another place. And so once they get past that with the assistance is provided through Catholic social services as well as Red Cross. Then we step in and help them with their physical needs as well as trying to help them place them somewhere. That's a little bit about my background. However, one thing that I did want to provide testing no money for without exception. In all those groups. There are people that are deeply compassionate about the people that are affected by homelessness. In all cases, we understand or try to understand. The disposition of those people as they kind of try to navigate through homelessness and all the various different demographics that are involved with that. I do want to say without exception. In each one of those groups, housing is the number one priority that comes up. And of course, that is the biggest and most expensive challenge that we have before us. The the other thing that comes in there is folks without exception as well, kind of reach their their personal safety just navigating some of these camp areas that are in parks or adjacent to around parks or even in some cases directly in their neighborhood have created a sense of insecurity on that. I personally do not think is fair, regardless of the disposition of whether you're homeless or not to criminal activity that takes place in some of those camps. all. definitely has an effect on each one of those individuals on feeling safely safety. The other thing is simply the idea that each one of us children and would love to enjoy the parks in those spaces without having to be concerned about the medical waste. And >> Thank you, sir. >> Please state your name a part of time from. You'll have 3 minutes. >> Hi, my name is Susan Brenner. And even Southwest in Creech. You're my Sunday member. For bringing this up. It's not perfect. 25 74 is not perfect, but at least it's bringing attention to things that we need to look at. Those members who have been on this assembly for years. What if we've been doing because it hasn't been working all the money that is spent. Hotels refurbishing. Taxpayers are tired. I'm a taxpayer. I think your son, 75. When we first moved up here. When away for college came back, lived all over the state with my husband job and my job. What we're doing is not working. Where is the accountability? I don't care if you're homeless, you're paying taxes. We are all accountable to each other. What's going on right now? There is no accountability. The crime rate has gone up. The homeless population have increased. The money spent. Where did it go? What benefit has it done for both taxpayers and the homeless? Nothing. It's increased. The population. We're tired. Taxpayers are tired. People who support homelessness are tired because it's what we're doing is not working. At least this. He's started the ball rolling to talk. I just wish both sides would be able to talk to each other instead of yelling at each other and having their mindset on what they wanted to. And not listening. So again, thank you for bringing this out. Thank you for the starting. I don't agree on most of the earth policies, but that's okay. At least you came to the table and you're presenting something. It's not perfect. But again, where is accountability? Tired of things being locked up because of the theft. I'm tired. My neighbor's house is getting broken into. Rosters being left open in things being wiped out. There has to be a stop. >> Thank you. Welcome, please. State your name up. Returning from. You'll have 3 minutes. K. >> Hi, my name is Kyle. It Better. I live in Midtown. I think this entire amendment I should say I didn't comment on the original version of it. I'm going to be talking about the original and the amended version. I think they're both really, really disappointing. I like you guys have heard from dozens and dozens of people about how this is not going to solve the issue. You have to know this isn't going to solve the issue. Well, France has presented a more equitable version of it, but the truth is the intent of this is just to punish people for something that's largely out of their control. And I don't think that's who we are as a city. I don't think that that's, you know what the people of this city want. I think they want to see positive outcomes for these people for homeless people. They do not want to see them. You know, assigned find so they can pay just because it's constitutionally allowed only as good excuse. I think that we should be, you know, putting our effort and our resources things will actually help the city help its people. I just think it's very disappointing. I don't think that their original version of this bill is offered in good faith. And I think it's really disappointing that continuing to talk about it like this and pretend that it's like some real measure to try and fix anything in the city. It just people. You don't like an trail. That's really all there is to it. Thank you. Welcome, please. State your name part-time from the have 3 minutes. >> Hi, my name is Jessica Parks. I live in East Anchorage and I'm speaking on behalf of myself right now over the past 3 and a half hours, we've heard a lot of stories during that same 3 and a half hours. Another story happened. There's a young mother, 23 years old, infant child, every shelter. poll. The past 3 and a half hours have been spent trying to find a place for this to sleep. She's been accepted into a program in the Valley on Monday. If this ordinance would have been in effect, if she chose the wrong place to sleep tonight, she could be charged with a crime. Thank you. Thank >> Microphones off. So hit the little Green button. Please state your name a part of town you're from. You'll have 3 minutes County. Thank you. I'm speaking on my own behalf. I know some of you and thank you for the heavy lifting that you're doing. If you don't mind, I'd like to introduce myself and my. It's KU to a somewhat the KRON. Take The child I not shot. I'm it. We can document 14,000 years on this land. And we are proud to say that we are the grandchildren with that said. I know it's a look at this provision, but lots there's more pain to happen. And in that regard, I will share with you that from birth to graduation from high school. I change comes. 22 times. I can't say that I had home. But I had lots of change. So my heart goes out to those in from the click its perspective. post June with the winter time here. Boy, they're tough. Really be able to make it through the winter and many of them don't. question is what can we do doubt? I urge the council because they simply. And assemblies legal counsel to take a look at this language and in comparison to the eugenics, like which that came out. There are some striking similarities set. We want to avoid. We don't need to go down that pass. I also encourage that the city well, that's focusing internally. Also focus on what's happening in rural Alaska. Facing a couple of things here. Food security, housing, security. And in 18 months, this is simply this council. This community faces energy security. When those 3 hit. It'll be enormous pressure. On to look. Those least able to we stand it. This community already has the highest spark camp in the nation. Highest cost of energy in the nation per square foot. And it's impacting everybody when it impacts this communities and the cost of energy or anything goes up here. One dollar, he can go up $4 and Rho community. They're not staying there. They're coming here. This is going to be to community that. Is, quote, unquote, safe. Well, I was homeless. One of my friends was threatened with this very issue. And he was certain that he was going to be thrown in jail. You know, it is responsible S. Don't threaten me with a good time. Thank you very much. county is there. Anyone else who hasn't spoken, who wishes to be heard? Seeing hearing none. Public hearing is now closed. Would like to ask for a motion to adjourn into executive session. >> Some of Bush improve it S too, to us. So there's a motion to move into executive session that was moved by Mister Brian seconded by. >> As Balding day. So a motion to approve his diet in order. before we take a vote on the question of whether or not to move into executive session. The question for the attorneys what is the foundation for us moving into executive session to discuss the side? Thank you, Mr. Chair the Assembly may decide to go into executive session to seek and receive legal advice from the municipal attorneys office on the various versions of 2025 dash. 74 and the amendments there, too. If the assembly votes to do so in executive session would be appropriate under Anchorage municipal code 30, 3, 6, a one and 5 because it would involve discussion of information on a specific legal legal matter and subjects which by law must charter ordinance are required to be confidential, including the provision of legal advice, subject to protection of the attorney client privilege. Is there any discussion on the motion? Mr. Thank you. Mister Chair if the prior versions. Versions prior to the U.S. to so other than the U.S. too. Not moved to sit still. Position of the administration that we should have an executive The second session. >> I can state the position of the acting municipal attorney that there are some offered floor amendments route appreciating opportunity to briefly offer some legal advice. Ok? Thank you. Anyone else? Senior in and then members may proceed to vote question. show leader into executive session. Amber Martinez. On a vote of 11 to one. We will adjourn into executive session, Mr. President. >> If a point of information place. >> The meeting was extended to 05:00PM. I'm I'm wondering how resolve Just going to speak to So procedurally, the only types of actions somebody is allowed to take on a journey into an executive session. >> Are procedural in nature other than to give advice to attorneys. And so I anticipate that because the public hearing on so long that there will be one more motion to extend the meeting done inside of the executive session. If we determine relative to the question that Mr. just asked. We need that time separately for members of the public. Just so you understand, we adjourn will take up those questions in private. We will come back down other than a motion to extend or something similar to that. No action will be taken up there. Only action that we take will be here. The action that we take, your could be and introduction of an ordinance. It could be a postponement of the ordinance to a future meeting to finish the debates. The public hearing is now closed and so what could happen we come back and we spend, however, much time, probably an hour. Plus or minus debating or we move that too. A future meeting. So we'll know that when we're done with the executive session. Yeah. I just want to continue my plate that the action. >> On extending the length of the meeting can happen in executive session. That's going to clear. Yes. Okay. Thank you. It's procedure nature. We just report the vote. When we come back out thank you, Mister Chair. What it would be. it be more prudent to give the folks here in the chamber some certainty and just say, hey, can we do a motion before we go into executive session that? >> We will actually picked this up. The next meeting. So do executive session now and we adjourn at the end of second session at the folks and sit around and wait for us to decide. I think that. I don't know procedures. And Dean question if we just taking a motion to go into executive session. Make a motion to postpone the underlying item to another meeting. Now is that Jermaine, is that allowable under the rules as we have just moved to recess into executive session. One moment. >> Thank you she, some structure everybody. discomfort because I'm uncertain, but I think dot in the other motion at this point out of order because have an action approved. Go into executive session and I think that's the best course. Mr. Meyers has another question. Thank you, Mister Chair. Can we just reconsider not go into executive session, postpone everything to the next meeting. >> I I would offer that can be done, but I do not believe a motion. It would be good for us to take the executive at the next meeting and believe there would be time. To take up the deliberation at the next meeting, but not time to take up the executive session and the deliberation and get all of our business done. So the request of the chair that however, this works out, we take up the executive session tonight. And so a motion to reconsider would be in order if a majority agreed. The motion then would be to continue or expose spawn the item. And then we would take up the motion to go into executive session tonight because it is on the agenda as the next item. And so there is no problem doing that. The order of operations. So your question, the answer is yes, motion to reconsider the last. But we just took says a motion to reconsider question of going into executive session, Mr. Myers second, Second by Baldwin Day. All right. Okay. Any discussion on the motion? Is bright. >> Yeah. I would just offer in context of that. I think if members are seeking certainty about the timing or the outcome or the procedure of this. I think this is inherently a legislative process that is uncertain and unpredictable. And for my part, I would like to. Learn more in executive session for since I cannot support this. >> Okay. and on the question of the motion to reconsider have a number of folks in the queue. There's in on that question. Go ahead as Today. We >> I just I just want to be clear and perhaps this is my question and a comment my my interest in moving to reconsider is is not. Not to to make just got to preempt an executive session. I think that's very appropriate tonight. It's absolutely want what I would like to see happen. My concern is that I don't want to leave the public on hold for. However, long the executive session might take. And I think it's it would it would be in in the best interest of the public for them to have a time certain when the debate will continue. So that is why in support of reconsideration. So I have myself in the queue up Les Mis curfew in the queue to speak on the motion. >> Curry chair. I just can also and essentially as polling data set as well. Is that yes. Let's have the executive session tonight that makes all the and fine with that. But let's also not leave the public hand. So I would offer then since no Ezekiel the question comes We can actually actually I'd like to ask Mr. Martinez to speak to what he just proposals for tennis. >> We're all part the committee. To the public that we're not going to vote on this tonight before or after the executive session. being to have. Was voted to the next meeting. Happy Executive session. we already have recession, you could just tell the public. We're not going to come back and vote on And the offer to election. >> Mr. >> Thank you, Mister Chair. So. comment confuse me. So there's no motion pending right now for us to postpone action on this ordinance. So then when that eventual motion the members will vote yes or no on that motion. I think for my part. Executive sessions, however, long they take. >> And so I think he would move >> To try to put some pre determined cap on how long an executive sessions should take. Because sometimes we learn things in executive session that lead to more conversations. So I will be voting no, because I want to take the time that we need to. >> Thanks. And I think the question was slightly nuance. The main question is that. Is there a commitment of the body to move to postpone this item tonight? And so that's what I think the question was not set a time certain tonight when we would end executive session. But the question to reconsider is now before us, I think will just finish this process. And then. Ok, Mr. Bond. The reason that we're having this debate right now. My understanding is that Myers number Myers and moved to reconsider so that and we could extend the meeting not to take up a motion. A postponement. So I think we're getting just did you say you are want to have a motion times? Be happy to phys my motion to say postponed to the next meeting. So at the end of the day was supposed to leave her for. So I'm really ready to go. And that's part of why I want to move this down the road. >> Got it knowing that that I'm just not going to support the motion to reconsider. Thanks. All right. So we're back now on the motion to reconsider in willing any any further questions. I seeing hearing none members may proceed to vote. The Martinez. Member Rivera. Is that the tally? On a vote of 5 to 7, the motion reconsider failed. So we will now adjourned executive session. And we'll be back when we're done. Yeah, we have. I would say about 8 minutes to get up there and get turned in and make that motion to extend So we have to be. >> Mr. Chairs there. Anything you would like to say to the the folks that are here in terms of our what you're anticipating tonight. >> I hope will be that we complete the executive session and then continued debates too Tuesday. But that is a matter. That is up to the body. Yeah, it's unlikely. We're going to come back a Yeah, that's I can't say what's going to happen. But that's my hope. 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So a move the recording of the executive session to be held for attorney client communications regarding this item. >> So never be disclosed for good cause absence subsequent assembly action that authorizes that disclosure. >> So there's a motion on disposition of the tapes by the second second second by Mister pressured Any discussion. And seeing no discussion. I'd like to ask unanimous consent to any objection to the motion. I'm seeing hearing no objection. So the terms of the release of the tapes are set by the motion made by the vice chair. So now we're back on the floor. We have no motion pending. What is the will of the body? Move your progress, too? Second motion to approve S to by Mr. Mccormick seconded by Mr. Johnson there. Debate this motion to postpone it to the next regular meeting. >> Thank you. So there's a motion a second bone 2024. 74 S to to the meeting of July 15th. motion was made to postpone by Mr. Vaughan and the second was. Mr. Press Any discussion on the motion. So we will publish the attorney. The attorney will publish the agenda. Mister Vero on the motion. Yeah. >> Thank you, Mister Chair. So I will be opposing the I'm frankly, ready to vote the full tonight. >> Thank >> Mister Parker. Thank you, Mr. Chair, look ready to tonight. Ready to have this. Find out if we have to have But I do think that as a body, we kind of made something of an implication of the public that we would not be debating this tonight. why, you know, first name. More than capable and happy to have this fight tonight. And also no problem having this later, especially since that is kind of what we can implying to the public. Mister Chair. We've got Mr. Mccormack. >> Just carrying member Kercher's thoughts here. I was ready to to keep going tonight, but I feel would be unfair to do because the public was led to believe that we would not be doing it. >> Mr. I guess I'm confused about when the public was led to believe that. I said on the record that the reason did not postpone The move to reconsider going into executive session. That's because I didn't want to have a. That have that question pretty determined. And so I think we decide now. Whether we want to pick this up. I can do that. happy to do that. Or if we want to pick it up on Tuesday, I don't think that there wasn't it should not have been if it was related to the public that we were for sure going to postpone because the only thing that should be done to believe that is this whether or not we postpone it. So that's my I would just encourage those who want to debate this over the next few hours this evening vote that way. And those who want to take up on Tuesday to vote that way. Thank you. Source. >> I think that this kind of situation just illustrates the importance. Making sure that we're not speaking for the body when there's not been a vote taken. Fair enough spot and I'd like I'd like to offer that There's a difference between what we are permitted to do. Procedurally and what is actually doing the business of the assembly in the public view. And I think we would be really, really remains to continue this meeting. Debate and decide on this ordinance. It was implied whether we like it or not. It was implied to the public that we would be continuing this at a future meeting. That is about the integrity of this body. That's about the integrity of deliberation and it's about the integrity of doing the business of the meanest Holiday Inn them enough in the municipalities Vo and so given that it is nearly 06:00PM on a Friday, I believe regardless of how we are procedurally constrained, we ought to be ethically constrained to continue this conversation at a future date. >> So on to the motion that we have because the public hearing is concluded time on Tuesday. The agenda doesn't look so over. Packed and we've been at this for already. For 5 hours, which is the length of the whole meeting, sometimes just getting prepared for this conversation and people may not feel tired, but we're tired. And so I offered that. I think we should take this up at the regular meeting on Tuesday so that we can not be making sausage at the tail end of a long week after a long special meeting and which we heard lots from the public and we can kind of marinate on all of the things the focus of hurt. So I personally believe it's in the best interests. Similarly to what respondent days said. But even for our own strength of ability to have a meaningful debate. So I urge your support for the motion to postpone this item to the meeting on Tuesday. >> Thank all say I am. I hear the arguments on both of those. I at this point know what my position is on this item. I will speak to that right now, but also I will be out of state and on the phone for that debate. So just to say, I will be present. And ready to speak to it on Tuesday as well. And then I would also just note there's a number amendment. So another option that we have today would be to begin debate on amendments. But I recognize that that would also be a challenge take us. That's also for now. Thank you. >> pressure thank you. Just want to clarify. I think it may have heard this, but at that at that while we're moving into executive session, I to said 2 things. I said I I believe it's unlikely that we will vote on this night. And I said I recommend you go home and I statements of both of those and not speak for the body just share my own thoughts. But I would agree that we need to postpone this. I think that there's a number of amendments that are worthy of us discussing and are likely going to be at at length. and I also agree that I think that the the intend least that I had was that we would not put on this thus night. So I would appreciate my colleagues allowing this to be postponed when we can come back in debated. At a different date. Thank you, Mr. Johnson getting Mr. Chairman, I support Pulse Point the 15th, but really Putin information. We've already published the agenda and the Is there anything procedurally incorrect with taking this Seizing the clerk and I have kind of walk through this and that. >> The noticing requirements we can publish another agenda, the denim every published Dana Monday morning, which meets the code timeline If this passes, it will be published will be on the agenda. Ok? Thank you. We definitely a little right? >> Thanks. colleges. Mr. Johnson sparked my other procedural question. More specifically. I know that we can do this on the agenda on Tuesday. I would ask or at least put out there for my colleagues given that we do have other business on the agenda and also to leadership, particularly since I will not be serving in the vice chair role for that meeting being on the phone that we contemplate moving this item to after at least some of the other potentially time sensitive items. And I guess a question to the clerk specifically would disappear under our usual kind of eleven's unfinished business with this go under the 15 switches has multiple uses. I think ends up at the end. I'm just curious kind of where it would show up. >> It'll be under the elevens. So so then I would encourage my colleagues to contemplate changing the order of the day at some point. Mr. wait, I'm sorry, Mr. Mr. >> thank you, Mister Chair. So not gonna believe doesn't sound like they're the majority to postpone. But I still oppose it. frankly, did not appreciate that members were making insinuations. That's we may. do this. People should leave That's just not really a decision that individual members get may get decision of the body. And even if individual members make those insinuations, it does not but hold the body to agree with those insinuations or not. So for my part. I feel voting no on this motion. I feel like my integrity is whole and I have not crossed any ethical boundaries. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Thank you. Mister Chair. Yeah, you know, I'm still going support the mover of this postponement. I'm still going to support it for some of the reasons that folks have said here. I think, you know, fatigue for us as as decision makers and also some time to process some thoughtful amendments that have come forward. But I I I will echo Mister Rivera said if we were not postpone, I wouldn't feel any ethical type of way about that. And I really want sort of make it clear, especially to newer colleague said it is not it should not be preconceived notion that we would come out of executive session and not continue to do our business or take action on an item. I don't want the public to be given that perception where that message that. Executive session stops us from the rest of our business. thank you. I would add to that that member can make a motion period full stop. So. >> That's the order of operations that will get us to whatever conclusion will come, OK, anyone else? there any objection? There was one members may proceed to vote. Number my spoken. Amber Martinez. Member Rivera. Her vote of 11 to one. This item will back before us on Tuesday. Madam Mayor. >> Thank March air for this moment of personal privilege. I would like to take the opportunity to thank Farina Brown for her service to our community and for her tremendous work in efforts around addressing homelessness. Farina is relocating out of state and today is her last day and Mr. Chair. I would also ask that Miss Brown come up to the microphone if he would allow that is welcome. Madam Mayor, into the body. I would like to first say thank you. It has been a privilege and an honor to work for. >> And with the mayor's office and my colleagues, it has been a privilege to work with the assembly members here and those that have stepped off. This has been the incredible experience, incredible journey putting together opportunities proof short term and long term for individuals that are experiencing homelessness. I am proud of the work that we have done. I am proud of my experience with the mayor's office and I am stepping away. Not to run away from any of the hard work that's being done or anything that I disagree with. I am wholeheartedly in support of all that we have done together the opportunities for debate for alignment and for how do we look forward to a better anchorage for everyone. Both are on House residence at our House resident. It has been an incredible experience and unexpected experience in many ways. And I think all of you've heard me say that my hats are off to you in such a public space and to stand in the heart space where we have to look at our friends and our neighbors. When we disagree when their decisions that are being made that feel as if they are impacted very differently. If you are on one side of the argument or the other and so I have and we'll take this experience with me in such a treasured way. I also want to thank all of our providers that have come alongside the mayor's office in the assembly and our community as well members of community councils, people who just call on the phone and say it's hard work. How can we help? It is a reminder of why we live in Anchorage. Sometimes we have these conversations where people are very entrenched in an idea. But what I have found over the almost one year of doing this work is that after people are done being angry, they want to know how can they help? How do we partner? Because everyone loves Anchorage and everyone wants to come together to see better solutions and 2 really. Place Anchorage and all of our community members with the quality of life that we all want to see for each other. So again, I am grateful to each of you for stepping into this space. I am grateful to the mayor's office to everyone in all of my colleagues who have walked alongside me in this very interesting space. And I'm very proud of the work and I thank you. Thank you, Fran. And I will say I've known you through a killer and the consumer Web where you are a volunteer. >> Choices. The division of behavioral half the state of Alaska where you're leading the Charge, Rasmussen Foundation and the municipality. And I am grateful to know you. Thank you. Mister Chair. miss you. Farina. We've run out of times. 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