. GOOD EVENING AND TO THE NOVEMBER 2ND 2023 MEETING OF THE BLOOMINGTON PLANNING COMMISSION THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS MADE UP OF SEVEN VOLUNTEER OF BLOOMINGTON RESIDENTS APPOINTED THE CITY COUNCIL DUE TO A VACANCY WE HAVE SIX SIX ARE HERE WE HE A QUORUM THE COMMISSION ADVISES THE CITY COUNCIL ON DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS LONG RANGE PLANNING AND TRANSPORTATION ISSUES OUR WORK IS INFORMED BY THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN VARIOUS DISTRICT PLANS THE CITY CODE FOR SOME ITEMS THE COMMISSION MAKES RECOMMENDATION WITH THE CITY COUNCIL HAVING FINAL DECISION MAKING AUTHORITY. THERE ARE THREE OF THOSE ITEMS TONIGHT. IN OTHER CASES THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN APPROVE OR DENY AN APPLICATION SUBJECT TO APPEAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND THERE ARE TWO OF THOSE ITEMS TONIGHT FOR EACH ACTION ITEM THERE WILL BE A STAFF AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THEN TIME FOR MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC TO PROVIDE TESTIMONY. OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS TONIGHT IS THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. PLEASE STAND AS YOU ARE ABLE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL . ALL RIGHT WE HAVE A FULL AGENDA THIS EVENING WITH EIGHT ITEMS. BEFORE WE BEGIN, I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO MAY NOT BE REGULAR OF THE BUSINESS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. MAYBE YOU WILL AFTER TONIGHT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS CONSIDERED A QUASI JUDICIAL BODY AND SO UNLIKE OTHER GOVERNMENTAL ORGANIZATIONS A CITY COUNCIL OR A SCHOOL BOARD, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES NOT HAVE A LOT OF LEEWAY TO GO WITH ITS GUT. SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S JOB IS TO REVIEW THE CODE REVIEW APPLICATIONS AND ITEMS THAT COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION COMMISSION'S JOB IS DETERMINE THAT THEY DO OR DO NOT MEET THE CODE AND SO I JUST PROVIDE THAT AS CONTEXT WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES WHEN THINGS COME BEFORE ALSO FOR RULES OF PROCEDURE ANYONE WHO IS IN THE CHAMBER OR WHEN FOLKS ARE JOINING US ONLINE WHEN WE DO HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD I WILL ASK THAT PEOPLE COME FORWARD THERE IS A REGISTER ONHE THE DAIS WHERE YOU CAN SIGN IN AND WE DID THAT FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE MINUTES YOU WILL SEE THE SHOT CLOCK IS UP ON THE WALL. WE ARE IN THE LAST 3 MINUTES FOR PUBLIC COMMENT WHEN YOUR 3 MINUTES IS EXPIRED I WILL ASK YOU TO END YOUR COMMENTS SO THAT WE HAVE ADEQUATE TIME FOR EVERYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SHARE AN OPINION OR COMMENT ON APPLICATION APPLICANTS THAT ARE BEFORE THE COMMISSION. EXPLAIN THAT YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE ADD ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THE FIRST ITEM TONIGHT IS A REQUEST FOR FINAL SITE AND BUILDING PLANS FOR STADIUM IMPROVEMENTS AT JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL. SENIOR PLANNER CENTENARIO HAS THE PRESENTATION. THANK YOU GERALD . OKAY, THANKS. SO THERE'S ONE I DON'T WANT TO ADD TO RELATE TO THE HIGH SCHOOL ATHLETIC STADIUMS AND THERE I'LL ADMIT THERE IS SOME REDUNDANCY BETWEEN TWO APPLICATIONS. SO ITEM ONE RELATES TO THE JEFFERSON STADIUM. I'LL GO THROUGH THAT IN DETAIL BUT I'LL TRY TO BE BRIEF SO WE'RE NOT YOU KNOW, JUST TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THINGS TWICE IN EACH PRESENTATION. SO HERE'S WHAT IT ROUGHLY WHAT THE CAMPUS LOOKS LIKE AN AERIAL IMAGE AGAIN JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL YOU CAN SEE THE OLSON SCHOOLS TO THE WEST BUT IN TERMS OF CITY STREETS WE'RE BOUND BY WEST 102ND FRANCE AVENUE AND HERITAGE HILLS DRIVE OUTLINE A STADIUM THAT'S WHERE THE PHYSICAL IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE WOULD TAKE PLACE. SO AGAIN, JUST A LITTLE CLOSER LOOK OF THE STADIUM RELATIVE TO OTHER ATHLETIC FACILITIES, THE SCHOOL ITSELF AND CITY STREETS. WE DO HAVE QUITE A BIT OF RESIDENTIAL USES JUST ON CIRCLE ON THE NORTH PART OF THE IMAGE FRANCE AVENUE AND THEN TO THE SOUTH THERE'S RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD SO THERE'S IMAGES OF ROTATED SO NORTH IS TO THE RIGHT JUST TO GIVE YOU AN OF THE CAMPUS AGAIN AND SO WHAT'S SHOWING ON THE SCREEN IS THE PARKING LOTS WITHIN THE JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL CAMPUS AND THEN YOU SEE THE HOME BLEACHERS AS WELL AS GUESS BLEACHERS THEY'RE DIFFERENT DIFFERENT SCHOOLS AND WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED TONIGHT ARE IMPROVEMENTS TO ESTABLISH AN ATHLETIC STADIUM AT JEFFERSON THAT INCLUDES FOOTBALL FIELD NEW TURF LIGHTING SOUND BLEACHERS AS MENTIOD CONCESSION STANDND THEN A NEW GATEWAY SIGN WITH SIGNAGE. HERE'S A LINE DRAWING AND AGAIN IT'S JUST MORE OR LESS A SITE PLAN. YOU SEE THE BLEACHER STRUCTURAL ELEMENTS, THE SIDEWALK IF YOU CAN SEE MY CURSOR HERE WE HAVE THE CONCESSION STAND THE MAIN GATEWAY AND THEN A PEDESTRIAN WAY TO THE TO THE BLEACHERS IT'S REALLY MORE OF A BOWL SHAPED SO THERE HAS TO BE A FAIR AMOUNT OF SIDEWALK SO IT'S ACCESSIBLE TO FOLKS WITH DISABILITIES. ONE OTHER ITEM IS AN EMERGENCY ACCESS FROM HERITAGE HILLS AND THAT'S REALLY NEEDED IN CASE THERE IS AN EMERGENCY OR AN AMBULANCE HAS TO HAS TO ENTER THE FACILITY. SO WHEN WE'RE REVIEWING SITE PLANS WE ARE WE LOOK AT A NUMBER OF THINGS OF COURSE WE WE ALSO WANT TO FOCUS ON TRAFFIC PEDESTRIAN MOVEMENTS AND TO ENSURE THAT YOU KNOW, THE THE SITE IS AS SAFE AS CAN BE AS SAFE AS IT CAN BE. OH ONE AND WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT WEOOK AT SHOULD THE PEDESTRIAN ENVIRONMENT CHANGE, IS THERE ADEQUATE SIDEWALKS, CROSSWALKS AND IN THIS CASE THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A FAIRLY SIDEWALK INTO THE GATEWAY AND THIS IS THE GATEWAY INTO THE FOOTBALL STADIUM AND THERE'S AN EXISTING CROSSWALK WITH PEDESTRIAN BEACONS AND THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE A LOT OF THE PARKING THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR THE STADIUM IS ON THE WEST SIDE OF JOHNSON. SO WE DO WE DO WANT TO BE MINDFUL OF THE SAFETY OF FOLKS CROSNG THE ROAD TOWARDS TO GET TO THE STADIUM AND HERE'S A JUST A STREET VIEW IMAGE OF WHAT THAT CROSSWALK LOOKS LIKE TODAY. IT WAS NOT MUCH TO TO TALK ABOUT HERE EXCEPT THE LOWER IMAGE AS A CONCESSION BUILDING AND THEN ABOVE IS THE THE GATEWAY ENTRY NOW CURRENTLY THIS SITE THIS TYPE OF SIGN NOT PERMITTED BY CITY CODE STAFF IS WORKING ON A TOTAL REWRITE OF THE SIGN CODE INCORPORATES SOME OF THESE CHANGES BUT I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR TO THE COMMISSION YOU KNOW THAT THE THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT SIGNS ARE COMPLIANT WITH CITY CODE AND TODAY THE SIGN COULD NOT BE BUILT AS. IT'S SHOWN HERE SO THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF PARKING THROUGHOUT CAMPUS. SO AGAIN THE THE PARKING AREAS ARE OUTLINED RED MUCH OF IT IS THE JUST WEST OF JOHNSON AVENUE THAT'S THE JEFFERSON OVERFLOW LOT AND THEN THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF PARKING ON THE HIGH SCHOOL CAMPU ITSF THE OLSON PARKING LOTS TO THE WEST OF THE SCHOOLS. IT'S NOT PARTICULARLY BUT NONETHELESS IT IS IT IS PART OF THE OVERALL SUPPLY FOR THE SITE AND SO WHEN WE CALCULATE WHAT THE REQUIREMENT IS IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE CALCULATION IS JUST ONE THIRD OF THE OCCUPANCY. SO AT A 2500 SEAT OCCUPANCY THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS 833 STALLS AND ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED THIS REVIEW IS HOW TO ADDRESS CONCURRENT. SO WE HAVE THE SCHOOL ITSELF, WE HAVE THETADIUM, WE HAVE TWO OTHER SCHOOLS TO THE WEST AND WE ALSO HAVE THE ATHLETIC FACILITY IF THERE'S MULTIPLE LARGE EVENTS GOING ON AT THE SAME TIME THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE NOT ONLY A PARKING ISSUE BUT THEN A TRAFFIC A TRAFFIC CONCERN. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO ENSURE IS ADDRESSED. A LOT OF QUESTIONS CAME UP ON STREET PARKING AND OF FOR FOR PURPOSES WE'RE NOT ABLE TO COUNT THAT AS MEETING THE CODE REQUIREMENT FOR PARKING HOWEVER WE'RE REALISTIC AND UNDERSTAND THAT IF STREET PARKING IS THE MOST CONVENIENT THAT'S PEOPLE ARE GOING TO USE IT AND SO OUR ENGINEERING TEAM PUT THIS TOGETHER WHERE IF YOU SEE THE RED THAT'S WRE PARKING IS NOT PERMITTED AND THEN IN THE GREEN ALONG SOME OF THE STREETS A STRETCH OF JOHNSON AND A LITTLE BIT OF HILLS AND THEN SOME TO THE EAST AND TO THE NORTH THAT'S WHERE PARKING IS PERMITTED WITH SOME TIME RESTRICTIONS . PROBABLY ONE OF THE MORE COMPLICATED ELEMENTS TO THE REVIEW RELATES TO NOISE AND SO OF COURSE THE STADIUM IS GOING TO HAVE LOUDSPEAKERS. IT'S IT'S GOING TO GET A LOT OF TIMES BUT IT WILL FLUCTUATE AND THE CITY DOES HAVE STANDARDS THAT MIRROR THE STATE. SO THE STATE ESTABLISHES THESE REQUIREMENTS AND WE'VE ADOPTED THEM AND THERE'S THERE'S DIFFERENT STANDARDS FOR DAYTIME AND NIGHTTIME AND THAT'S EXPRESSED IN DBA AND THEN IT'S AN L 50 AND A L TEN AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR FOR THE L TEN IS WHICH THE SOUND HAS EXCEEDED 10% OF THE TIME FOR A ONE HOUR SURVEY. OKAY. SO THAT THAT'S NOT THAT'S THE CLEAREST STANDARD TO MEET. BUT THEN A LOWER STANDARD IS THE L 50 AND THAT'S WHEN THE NOISE IS EXCEEDED 50% OF THE TIME FOR ONE OF OUR SVEY AND A GRAPHIC KIND OF HELPS EXPLAIN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE AND SO YOU CAN SEE THE GRAPH NOISE OR SOUND IS GOING TO FLUCTUATE ESPECIALLY IF IT'S OF THE MARCHING BAND OF A VERY CLOSE GAME, A BIG PLAY. I MEAN THE SOUND IS GOING TO FLUCTUATE AND SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS IS L TEN AND L 50 STANDARDS WHERE THAT LEVEL IS EXCEEDED EITHER PERCENT OR 50% OF THE TIME. SO WE'RE NOT JUST LOOKING AT THE PEAK, YOU KNOW, THE NOISIEST MOMENT OF THE GAME. IT'S REALLY OVER ONE HOUR PERIOD AND THAT SOUND IS GOING TO FCTUATE. SO THE APPLICANT DID SOME WORK NOISE AND WE WE DON'T HAVE LIKE A FORMAL STUDY DONE BY AN ENGINEER THEY DID SOME WORK JUST BASED ON A CALCULATION OF HOW SOUND DISSIPATES OVER A DISTANCE AND WHAT THEY FOUND IS IF WE JUST VIEW THE LOUD SPEAKERS GOING IN EVERY DIRECTION THERE ACTUALLY IS A CODE COMPLIANT CO COMPLIANCE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE TO WORK OUT . WE THINK THAT THERE ARE PLENTY OF MITIGATION STRATEGIES THAT WE CAN LOOK AT AS STAFF WE HAVEN'T SEEN WHAT THOSE MITIGATION STRATEGIES MIGHT BE BUT WE'LL LOOK TO THE APPLICANT TO TRY TO EXPLAIN WHAT THEY'VE LOOKED AT AND WORK HAS YET TO BE DONE BUT THIS IS A NOT THIS IS A AN ISSUE THAT HASN'T BEEN RESOLVED YET. WE CANNOT CONFIRM THAT THERE'S COMPLIANCE IN TERMS OF NOISE IN THAT AND THAT COULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON NEIGHBORHOODS. YOU KNOW, FOLKS, WE UNDERSTAND IT'S GOING TO BE LOUD DURING GAMES BUT WE ALSO HAVE A STANDARD THAT WE HAVE TO ENSURE IS IS MET. IT IS A CULTURE IMAGE. YOU CAN SEE HOW THE THE ARE MEASURED RELATIVE TO PROPERTIES AND TO THE SOUTH HERE ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES LIGHTING IS ANOTHER IS ANOTHER OF CONCERN AND ESSENTIALLY THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON DOES NOT ALLOW FIXTURES TO BE SPLIT OR DIRECTED TOWARDS THE SKY IT'S KIND OF THE TERM IT'S OFTEN THROWN AROUND AS A DARK OR A DARK SKY CITY. AND SO WE IDENTIFIED AS AN ISSUE THE APPLICANT SAID THAT THESE FIXTURES WOULD BE REMOVED. SO THERE IS NOT A SPLIT FIXTURE. HOWEVER WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE PLANS THAT THAT DOCUMENT THAT THAT CHANGE SO AGAIN SOMETHING THAT CAN BE WORKED OUT BUT THERE STILL TO BE SOME MODIFICATIONS AND WE NEED TO SEE THOSE MODIFICATIONS AS PART OF APPLICATION SO THAT'LL HERE'S THE LIGHTING PLAN IN PLAN AND EACH OF THE RED CIRCLES ACTUALLY I THINK THIS YEAH. REPRESENT A POLE A 90 FOOT POLE THAT'S A VERY SIGNIFICANT AND THE NUMBERS ON THE FOOTBALL FIELD REPRESENT THE FOOT CANDLE LEVEL SO THE THE AMOUNT OF LIGHT THAT IS ON THE SURFACE AND SO WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT WHAT THE FROM A RAY REGULATORY PERSPECTIVE WE'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT WHAT THE NUMBER IS ON THE SURFACE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS HOW MUCH LIGHT IS ADJACENT ALONG PROPERTY LINES LIKE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINES TO ENSURE THAT LIGHT TOO MUCH LIGHT ISN'T BEING SPREAD INTO SOMEONE'S YARD OR SOMEONE'S FRONT WINDOW AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS BASED ON LIGHTING MODELS. I'VE JUST KIND OF OUTLINE AN AREA THAT COULD COULD BE IMPACTED BY THE LIGHTS BUT SO IS THIS IS A SIMPLE EFFORT FROM THE LIGHTING FOLKS THAT PUT THESE PLANS TOGETHER. I DON'T ANTICIPATE AN ISSUE HERE. WE JUST NEED TO CONFIRM AND SO WE WERE COMING TO THE RECOMMENDATION AND THIS IS A LITTLE UNIQUE BECAUSE THE WE THINK THERE'S SOME I'LL SAY ANY QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AND SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO CONTINUE OR HOLD OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CONTINUE THE ACTION UNTIL NOVEMBER 30TH. SO THAT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION. HOWEVER, WE ALSNOW THAT SOMETIMES THE COMMISSION FEELS LIKE OUTSTANDING ISSUES CAN BE ADDRESSED BY STAFF AND AGAIN THAT'S NOT A RECOMMENDATION BUT WE ALSO HAVE AN OPTION FOR THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER TO WITH THE MOTION TO APPROVE A SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS AND CODE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE'VE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET AND YOU KNOW WE CAN GO THROUGH THOSE CONDITIONS BUT IN WE'RE OBVIOUSLY NOT GOING TO READ THROUGH THEM BUT A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO WITH AGREEMENTS TO SOUND NOISE, TRAFFIC CIRCULATION ETC. SO WITH THAT I'M SURE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WISH TO PROVIDE THEIR TESTIMONY. THANK YOU. ARE THERE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER GOLTZMAN? THANK YOU CHAIR. I HAVE THREE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. THE FIRST IS AROUND LIGHTING AND NOISE AND IN YOUR DIAGRAMS IT WAS TO THE PROPERTY LINE AND JUST TO CONFIRM TO A PROPERTY LINE NOT TO THE STRUCTURE OR TO THE TO THE HOUSE OR THE LIVING QUARTERS THAT YOU'RE MEASURING TO A COMMISSIONER. SO THE WE HAVE MAXIMUM LIGHT TRESPASS LEVELS AND THAT'S YOU KNOW IT'S POINT FIVE FOOT CANDLES IS THE ALLOWANCE AND SO WHAT WE NEED TO ENSURE IS THAT IF YOU CAN SEE THIS ON THE GRAPH THIS IS ESTIMATED TO BE 28 FOOT CANDLES AT THIS LOCATION. THESE MODELS ARE ACTUALLY REALLY GOOD WITH LED TECHNOLOGY. SO WE HAVE WE'RE REALLY CONFIDENT WHATEVER THE PLAN IDENTIFIES IT SHOULD BE QUITE CLOSE AND SO WE JUST NEED TO EXTEND THAT TO THE PROPERTY LINES THAT ARE ACROSS THE STREET AND AGAIN I DON'T I DON'T ANTICIPATE AN ISSUE BUT WE JUST DON'T I JUST CAN'T CONFIRM. OKAY. THANK YOU. I MADE THE SECOND QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS IN A LOT OF THE APPLICATIONS THAT WE SEE THERE ARE LANDSCAPE PLANS IS CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT LANDSCAPE PLANS FOR THIS SO IF THERE'S NON-CONFORMITY TODAY IF WE NEED TO LOOK AT TREES OR RUBS OR THINGS THAT COULD BE THINKING ABOUT NOISE AND LIGHTING THOSE COULD BE MITIGATION STRATEGIES AS WELL. SURE A COMMISSIONER GOTTESMAN YEAH THE MAJORITY OF LANDSCAPING PLANS THAT YOU SEE ON THE COMMISSION RELATE TO MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND THERE WE DO HAVE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT AND LANDSCAPING COULD BE INCORPORATED WE WE DO NOT LOOK BACK TO SEE IF JEFFERSON HAD A LIKE AN APPROVED LANDSCAPING PLAN SOMETIMES WHAT WE DO IS WE JUST TAKE A LOOK TO SEE IF THERE'S A LOT OF PLANTINGS MISSING WHICH THERE USUALLY ARE QUITE A BIT MISSING AND WE COULD DO THAT AS PART OF THIS REVIEW. BUT AS PART OF THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION WE DIDN'T REQUIRE A LANDSCAPING PLAN TO BE SUBMITTED. OKAY GREAT. AND LAST QUESTION I NOTICED THAT IN THE PLANS THE THE FACILITIES ARE JUST PORTABLE PORTABLE TOILETS. IS THERE ANY PLAN MAYBE THIS IS MORE FOR THE APPLICANT OF HAVING MORE PERMANENT FACILITIES FOR USERS TO USE? WELL IT'S BEING USED FOR EVENTS. YEAH COMMISSIONER I'M AWARE OF ANY FUTURE PLANS AND I BELIEVE THAT SANITARY SEWER AND WATER IS INTENDED FOR THE CONCESSION BUILDING SO MAYBE THAT'S A CHANCE TO TO ACCOMMODATE THAT AT SOME POINT. OKAY. THANK YOU OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER CURRY MARKET SHARE, I GUESS HOW MANY TIMES HOW MUCH TIME HAS BEEN SPENT BY THE APPLICANT COMING BACK OUR TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION OF THE LIGHTING AND SOUND CONCERNS I'M SURE COMMISSIONER YOU KNOW WE'VE WE'VE HAD A COUPLE TWO OR THREE ITERATIONS I'D SAY SINCE THE INITIAL APPLICATION WHAT WE DO AS PART OF OUR REVIEW PROCESS WE HAVE A PRE APPLICATION MEETING BEFORE ANYTHING IS FORMALLY SUBMITTED WHERE WE IDENTIFY YOU KNOW MAJOR HURDLES RED YOU KNOW NOISE AND LIGHTING WE'RE IDENTIFIED AS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST CONCERNS THAT WE HAD AND YOU KNOW ONCE WE HAD THE APPLICATION IT WAS COMPLETE. HOWEVER WE DID FEEL THERE WAS MORE INFORMATION NEEDED TO REVIEW SO EVERYTHING HAS BEEN PROVIDING MORE INFORMATION ALONG THE WAY OTHER FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER CAN YOU MR. CHAIR MR. SCENARIO ONE OF THE THINGS THIS APPLICATION SEEMS TO BE MISSING IS MORE ON THE ACOUSTICS IN PREVIOUS APPLICATIONS WE'VE SEEN THAT DONE BY A LIKE A PROFESSIONAL ACOUSTICS ENGINEER IS HAVING AN ENGINEERED REQUIRED BY CODE OR WHAT IS THE REQUIREMENT DOES IT HAVE TO BE BY AN ENGINEER A COMMISSIONER. YOU KNOW I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE IN PLAY MANAGER CAN CORRECT ME I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A CODE REQUIREMENT THAT A SOUND GINEER PREPARE A STUDY. HOWEVER A SOUND ENGINEER HAS TO PREPARE THE STUDY BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHO ELSE CAN DO IT SO THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THINK IS NEEDED ESPECIALLY GIVEN THAT WE CANNOT CONFIRM COMPLIANCE WITH WITH NOISE FOR EITHER OF THESE STADIUMS. AND SO I REALLY THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT PROBABLY HAS BEEN LOOKING INTO AND THEY CAN EXPLAIN KIND OF WHAT THE STEPS THAT THEY'VE TAKEN FROM AN ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE. BUT TO DATE WE WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED A SOUND STUDY. HER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. MY QUESTION IS IF YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE RELATED TO STREET PARKING AROUND THE STADIUM, THIS IS ABOUT CURIOSITY THAN ANYTHING THE LIMITED PARKING THAT EXISTS ON JOHNSON AND HERITAGE HILLS DRIVE. WHY SO SPOTTY? IT'S A GREAT QUESTION, COMMISSIONER. I KNOW THE ANSWER. THANKFULLY WE DO HAVE FOLKS THAT ARE THE KNOW MORE THAN ME IN THAT REGARD THAT WE CAN WE CAN CALL UPON THIS MAROON. GOOD EVENING COMMISSION. SO THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE OF SPOT LOCATIONS THE ONES YOU POINTED OUT WHERE WE HAVE THROUGH OUR PUBLIC ON STREET PARKING POLICY GONE THROUGH A PROCESS THOSE WERE REQUESTED SPECIFICALLY TO MEET SOME OF THE ACTIVITY THE FIELD USE NEEDS AT THE TIME SO IT IS ALONG THE THE EAST SE OF JNSON ADJACENT TO THE FIELD AREA AND JUST A SHORT LITTLE SECTION ON THE NORTH SIDE OF HERITAGE HILLS. I THINK THOSE ARE THE TWO SPOTS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR MORE CONVENIENT ACCESS TO THE BASEBALL FIELDS OR THE ONES ALONG HERE TO TELLS. SO WE DID MODIFY THE STRIPING ON JOHNSON AVENUE TO OFFSET AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS ADEQUATE WIDTH WITH THE SPORADIC USE OF THE ON STREET PARKING THAT SECTION. BOTH OF THOSE SEGMENTS WE ARE NOT PROPOSING ANY PROACTIVE CHANGES TO RESTRICT PARNG. HOWEVER THERE ARE SAFETY TRAFFIC SAFETY CONCERNS WHEN THAT IS UTILIZED IF, IF AND WHEN THAT IS UTILIZED DURING EVENTS THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD ADDRESS AS A SAFETY CONCERN. THANK. QUESTION I COOKED IN THE MR. SHAW. MS.. MR. CENTENARIO JUST TO CONFIRM THE 8 TO 2 IS THAT WHEN IT'S ALLOWED OR WHEN IT'S NOT ALLOWED? THE COMMISSIONER MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THAT IS WHEN IT IS NOT ALLOWED. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CURRY. JUST IN TERMS OF ACTIVITY IN THE AREA IN LIGHT AND PARKING PEOPLE BEING AROUND AND WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT 2500 SEATS FOR THE STADIUM? WHAT IS THE DO WE KNOW WHAT YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE KIND OF ON CAMPUS AT ANY GIVEN TIME LIKE WHAT DOES THE CAMPUS MAX OUT AT ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS STAFF PEOPLE IN SCHOOL AND THE OTHER ACTIVITIES GOING ON? A COMMISSIONER I DON'T HAVE AT INFORMATION BUT YOU SOME FOLKS FROM THE APPLICANT TEAM MIGHT BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU A BETTER ANSWER. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IN SOME OF OUR REGULAR MEETINGS AND I FEEL LIKE I HEARD IT A COUNCIL MINUTE NOT THAT LONG AGO IS THE ONGOING ISSUES OF TRAFFIC ON 102ND STREET AND I KNOW THE CITY IS THERE'S SOME THOUGHT GIVEN THAT AND CAN YOU TELL ME WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THAT AND MAYBE OF OUR ENGINEERING OR TRANSPORTATION TEAM MIGHT HAVE SOME THOUGHT ABOUT WHERE WE'RE AT WHERE ARE WE HEADED WITH THAT? THE CHAIR OF ABSOLUTE TO MR. ROBERTS HERE. MR. CHAIRMAN COMMISSIONERS KIRK ROBERTS TRAFFIC AND TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER. GLAD TO BE WITH YOU TONIGHT. THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS GOING ON ON 102ND STREET THIS THE THE SECTION BETWEEN FRANCE AVENUE AND NORMANDY BOULEVARD IS ONE THAT IS THE ONLY REMAINING FOUR LANE SECTION OF 102ND STREET FOUR LANE ROADWAYS HAVE SOME FUNDAMENT PROBLEMS A WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THAT AND STUDYING THAT FOR A OF YEARS. WE'VE GONE TO THE PUBLIC AND THE COUNCIL TWICE IN THE PAST TO LOOK AT DIFFERENT CONFIGURATIONS AND WE COULD NOT GET BY IN ON THOSE CHANGES . THE PLAN AT THIS POINT IS TO REVISIT THAT IN THE 2020 425 SCHOOL YEAR WITH A STUDY A COMPREHENSIVE STUDY LOOKING AT THE INTERSECTIONS LOOKING AT THE STRIPING CONFIGURATIONS AND THE CIRCULATION ON SITE FOR THE OLSEN CAMPUS AS WELL AS JEFFERSON CAMPUS AND DEVELOP A STUDY THAT WE THINK WE CAN GET BUY IN FROM THE PUBLIC AND PROCEED WITH THAT WORK SHO OF AT RIGHT NOW THERE IS A PROPOSAL OUT TO CHOOSE SPEED ON THE LARGER ROADWAYS IN THE CITY 102ND STREET IS ONE OF THEM RIGHT NOW. IT'S CURRENTLY POSTED AT 35 MILES AN HOUR. THE PROPOSAL IS TO REDUCE THE SPEED LIMIT TO 30 MILES AN HOUR ON THAT. IF THE PUBLIC IS INTERESTED AND I HOPE THEY ARE YOU CAN FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THE ENTIRE ROAD NETWORK SPEED LIMIT PROPOSAL ON THE CITIES. LET'S TALK BLOOMINGTON PAGE. THERE'S A PROJECT PAGE FOR AND WE WOULD WELCOME ANY COMMENTS ON ANY PART THE ROADWAY THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO CHANGE THE SPEED LIMITS ON ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION THAT WE ARE CARRYING FORWARD THE COUNCIL HAS AUTHORIZED SCHOOL ZONE SPEED LIMITS. THESE ARE FREQUENTLY SEEN IN COMMUNITIES IT'S AT 25 MILES AN HOUR WHEN POSTED OR WHEN LIGHTS ARE FLASHING OR WHEN SOMETHING IS HAPPENING THERE IT REDUCES THE SPEED LIMIT TO 20 MILES AN HOUR. WE ARE ADVANCING A RECOMMENDATION TO IMPLEMENT THAT THE FOLLOWING YEAR AS WE'RE ABLE TO TAKE ON CAMPUSES AND GET THAT SPEED LIMIT THOSE SCHOOLS ON SPEED LIMITS PLACE . SO IN THE END I'M PRETTY SURE E COUNCIL HAS ADOPTED THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. I BELIEVE COUPLE WEEKS AGO. AND SO THE CASE IN THE CASE OF SCHOOL ZONES THOSE COULD BE ACTIVATED IN THE CASE OF A SIGNIFICANT EVENT AT THE SCHOOL NOT JUST SAY AT 830 AND THREE OR 330. I KNOW THAT'S NOT OUR EXACT HOURS BUT MR. CHAIRMAN, THEY COULD BE ACTIVATED DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF SIGN WE USE AND WE'VE LOOKED AT SOMETHING WITH TECHNOLOGY THERE WE COULD ACTIVATE. SO FOR EXAMPLE SAY WE HAD A LARGE STADIUM AND WE HAD AN EVENT OR A BIG FOOTBALL GAME OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WE COULD IN THEORY I BELIEVE IMPLEMENT THOSE FOR EVENTS LIKE THAT. I HAVE TO CHECK WITH THE LEGAL STAFF TO MAKE WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH STATE STATUTE BUT I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S POSSIBILITY. THANK YOU. ARE THERE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ? COMMISSIONER COOKSON THANKS MR. CHAIR. MR.. SINCE SCENARIO THIS PROPOSED FOOTBALL OR PROPOSED STADIUM UPGRADE IS IS IT THE INTENT THAT THE EVENTS OF THIS FACILITY WOULD IT BE ONLY FOR BLOOMINGTON JEFFERSON TEAMS OR COULD IT BE LEASED OUT TO SAY A WEEKEND SOCCER TOURNAMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? SURE JEROME. COMMISSIONER, THE INTENT IS TO TO HE USERS FROM TIME TO TIME. CERTAINLY THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE TIME WOULD BE RELATED TO JEFFERSON ATHLETICS OR EVENTS BUT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT DOES LEASE OUT ITS FACILITIES OR THERE MIGHT BE A SECTIONAL GAME WHERE THERE NEEDS TO BE A NEUTRAL SITE. SO IT THE MAJORITY OF TIME IT WILL BE JEFFERSON BUT THERE CERTAINLY WOULD OTHER OTHER USES FROM TIME TO TIME. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER CURRY I SUPPOSE THIS IS A LITTLE BIT JUST BIGGER PICTURE BUT I DON'T KNOW AND MAYBE THE APPLICANT IS BEST TO ADDRESS THIS BUT I MEAN IS THERE BEEN ANY CONSIDERATION I MEAN OBVIOUSLY WE ENDED UP AT JEFFERSON SCHOOL FOR A REASON FOR THE THE NEW STADIUM BUT THERE IS AN EXISTING SITE AND IT JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY HOW WE ENDED UP HERE VERSUS CONSIDERING UPGRADING THE EXISTING SITE. YOU MAY HAVE SOME THOUGHTS I MEAN MAYBE A QUESTION THE APPLICANT YESTERDAY COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER AS IT IS WOULD BE BEST ADDRESSED BY THE APPLICANT CERTAINLY. BUT YOU KNOW, STAFF WE DON'T KNOW THE THE PROCESS THAT THEY WENT THROUGH TO THAT THEY WANTED TO ESTABLISH NEW STADIUMS. BUT YOU KNOW, ONE THING I'D POINT TO IS THE PUBLIC FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED FROM A NUMBER RESIDENTS IDENTIFYING THE DEFICIENCIES OF THE EXISTING FACILITIES. SO'M SURE THAT PLAYED A ROLE IN DETERMINING COST BENEFIT. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ONE QUESTION I DID HAVE I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THAT THE THE EXISTING VISUAL THAT YOU SHARED YOU DON'T HAVE TO PULL IT UP WAS MORE JUST LOGIC SAYS THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS THE LIGHTING DIAGRAM YOU MENTIONED THAT THAT WAS YOU HAD MORE CONFIDENCE IN THAT IS THAT CONFIDENCE BASED ON IT WAS DONE BY A LIGHTING STUDY OR IS IT JUST THAE KNOW MORE OUT HOW LED LIGHTINGS CONTROLLEDR ALL OF THE ABOVE NONE OF THE ABOVE. SOME OF THE ABOVE IT'S YOUR ROOM AND OF COMPUTER MODELS CALCULATE WHAT THE ANTICIPATED LIGHTING LEVELS ARE BASED ON A NUMBER OF FACTORS HEIGHT AT HEIGHT OF COURSE THE THE OF YOU KNOW JUST THE POWER OF THE FIXTURE AND NUMBER OF THE FIXTURES ORIENTATION OF FIXTURES THAT ALL HAS AN IMPACT ON WHAT WHAT ON THE GROUND LIGHTING LEVEL IS AND INCREASINGLY THESE MODELS ARE PRETTY ACCURATE. SO TO GIVE A LITTLE ADDITIONAL CONTEXT YOU SOMETIMES RECEIVE AND WE REVIEW LIGHTING PLANS AS PART OF MULTIFAMILY OR COMMERCIAL AND WE GO AND INSPECT BEFORE OR A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IS PROVIDED FOR THAT TO OPEN AND WE USUALLY DON'T HAVE MANY WITH SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES BETWEEN WHAT'S ON THE PLAN THOSE PRODUCED BY AN ELECTRICAL ENGINEER OR A LIGHTING PROFESSIONAL AND WHAT WE ACTUALLY SEE ON SITE. SO THAT'S JUST JUST THE EXPERIENCE SEEING WHAT'S PROPOSED AND WHAT IS ACTUALLY ON SITE GIVE US CONFIDENCE THE MODIFYING THE PLANS WILL SUFFICIENT. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND THEN THE FLOOR IS YOURS. GOOD EVENING. I'M PAUL KOSKI WITH WOLD ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS HERE REPRESENTING THE DISTRICT. THERE'S ALSO A NUMBER OF MEMBERS OF THE ADMINISTRATOR SHOWN HERE. THEY CAN ALSO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT OPERATIONS. I THANK FOR TAKING YOUR TIME TO CONSIDER THIS APPROVAL OR THIS SUBMISSION TONIGHT. I'LL TRY TO ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS AND JUST KINDF A AND THEN I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS FROM YOU. THIS CONVERSATION DID BEGIN WITH THE CITY IN FEBRUARY OF 2320 22. WE ACTUALLY CAME TO THE CITY STAFF HAD A MEETING AND DISCUSSED OPTIONS FOR WHAT TO DO WITH THE STADIUMS. THE EXISTING STADIUM IS IN NEED OF SIGNIFICANT WORK AND THE IT HAS LONG BEEN SORT OF A LINGERING OUTSTANDING ISSUE WITH FACILITIES WITH THE DISTRICT AS MANY OF YOU KNOW THAT WAS THE THIRD HIGH SCHOOL. IT CONTAINED THE ONE STADIUM FOR ALL THREE SCHOOLS. WHEN THEY DECIDED TO CLOSE LINCOLN THEY RETAINED THE STADIUM BUT NONE OF THE LAND AROUND THE STADIUM. SO THEY'VE ACTUALLY HAD A PARKING AGREEMENT WITH THE THE CURRENT OWNER OF THE BUILDING SINCE 1981 I THINK IS WHEN THAT HAPPENED. THEY'VE GONE THROUGH A OF TRIALS AND TRIBULATIONS TO MAINTAIN THAT PARKING AGREEMENT TO STAY IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY AND IT'S BECOME SORT OF A PROBLEM TO CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THAT OR LEAST A LIABILITY FOR THE DISTRICT GOING FORWARD IN IN ALL OF THAT THE STADIUM IS ALSO GETTING OLD. IT'S 50 PLUS YEARS OLD, 60 YEARS OLD ALMOST AND IT IS NEED OF SIGNIFICANT MAINTENANCE. SO WE CAME TO THE I SHOULD ALSO SAY THERE'S A STRONG DESIRE TO HAVE THE STADIUMS AT THE SCHOOLS FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT REASONS. I THINK SOME OF THE WHEN YOU OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING YOU HEAR A LOT OF THOSE REASONS SO I WON'T TALK ABOUT THEM. SO WE CAME TO THE CITY STAFF AND TALKED ABOUT OPTIONS. WE PRESENTED WE COULD FIX UP THE BLOOMINGTON STADIUM OR WE COULD DO THIS AND WE WERE REALLY LOOKING FOR FROM THE CITY ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT BOTH OPTIONS WERE VIABLE AND WE DID RECEIVE AN AFFIRMATION THAT IT WAS POSSIBLE BUILD THE STADIUMS ON ON THE HIGH SCHOOL SITES AND WE D TALK ABOUT MANY THE ISSUES THAT YOU'RE YOU'RE BEING CONSIDERING TONIGHT INCLUDING ACOUSTICS AND I DO BELIEVE SOME MISUNDERSTANDINGS HAPPENED AT THAT POINT AND HAVE KIND OF PERMITTED THE PROCESS THROUGH. WE MADE IT CLEAR THAT WE DID NOT BELIEVE THAT A STADIUM COULD COMPLY WITH YOUR YOUR SOUND ORDINANCES AT THAT TIME WE WERE GIVEN SOME INDICATION THAT THERE WAS A POSSIBILITY OF GETTING A VARIANCE THAT THERE WAS SOME LATITUDE IN HOW YOU INTERPRET THOSE OR THE ABILITY GET AROUND THAT. AND SO WE WENT DOWN THAT ROAD THE DISTRICT WENT THROUGH QUITE A BIT OF INTERNAL AND STAKEHOLDER INVOLVEMENT TO DETERMINE THAT THE TWO STADIUMS WAS THE BEST OPTION. AND SO WE DECIDED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. SO THEN WE WENT TO THE DRC THIS SUMMER HAD A SIMILAR CONVERSATION. IT FOCUSED ON THE TWO STADIUMS SOUND WAS ONE OF THE PRIME THINGS THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT IN THAT AND AGAIN I REALLY BELIEVE IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT WE GOT TO THIS POINT BEFORE THIS BECAME CLEAR AT LEAST TO BUT I DO BELIEVE THE CITY STAFF AND OUR DESIGN WERE HAVING TWO DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS BECAUSE WE FELT LIKE WE WERE BEING THAT WE DID NOT THINK THE STADIUM COULD COMPLY WITHHE CITY ORDINANCES AND CONTINUED TO SUGGEST THAT WE NEEDED SOME KIND OF A VARIANCE. THE CITY STAFF SAID THERE'S NO SUCH VARIANCE BECAUSE IT'S AN ORDINANCE AND IT CAN'T BE FROM. AND SO WE'VE GOTTEN TO THIS POINT WITHOUT REALLY HAVING THAT CONVERSATION AND WE DID LEARN IN THIS PROCESS AND IT'S PART OF YOUR REPORT THERE IS ACTUALLY A WAY TO GET A VARIANCE FROM THE ORDINANCE IS CALLED THE TYPE NOISE EXEMPTION AND THAT'S ANOTHER PROCESS THAT WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THAT INVOLVES THE CITY COUNCIL BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT IS THE WAY THROUGH. I WILL SAY THAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO COMPLY WITH THE REQUEST FOR SOUND CITY SO THE DISCONNECT THAT I THINK HAPPENED BETWEEN OUR TEAM AND THE CITY STAFF WAS THAT THEY CONTINUED TO US FOR A PROOF THAT IT COMPLIED WITH THE ORDINANCE. WE OF COURSE DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS POSSIBLE BUT WE WENT THE MOTIONS AND IN FACT PRODUCED A REPORT THAT SHOWED IT DIDN'T COMPLY AND PROVIDED THAT TO THE STAFF AND THOUGHT THAT WE WERE GETTING THROUGH THIS AFTER THEIR THEY BEGAN REVIEWING THE PROJECT A FEW WEEKS BACK THEY ASKED THE QUESTION AGAIN WE DID MORE INVESTIGATION AND THE MORE WE LOOK INTO IT THE MORE IT'S CLEAR THAT SOME THE ACTIVITIES OF THE STADIUM CERTAINLY DO COMPLY WITH THE ORDINANCE. IT ONLY A FEW HOURS A WEEK ON THAT MOSTLY AS A STADIUM FACT BUT AND WE COULD ENGINEER THE SOUND SYSTEM WE BELIEVED PROBABLY TO COMPLY THE CROWD MIGHT COMPLY WITH THE OH AND L TEN DEPENDING ON HOW SUCCESSFUL THE TEAMS ARE BUT FOR SURE THE MARCHING BAND WOULDOT COMPLY. ONE INSTRUMENT CAN PRODUCE 110 DECIBELS AND THERE'S NO WAY THAT THAT COULD DISSIPATE TO 60 DECIBELS BY THE TIME IT GETS TO THE PROPERTY LINE. SO WE APPROACHING WITH THIS THIS WITH THE BELIEF THAT WE NEEDED A VARIANCE AND COULDN'T SHOW THAT IT COMPLIED AND STAFF CONTINUED TO ASK US TO FIGURE OUT HOW IT WAS GOING TO COMPLY AND AND THAT'S HOW WE GOT HERE TODAY. SO THAT'S HOW IT LANDED ON YOUR DOORSTEP. WE DO BELIEVE THAT THE I SHOULD ALSO ADDRESS SOME OF THE OTHER PIECES IN THE APPLICATION I DO BELIEVE WE HAVE AGREEMENT ON ALL OF THE OTHER CONDITIONS AND CONCERNS THE STAFF HAD THE SIGNAGE ONE IS ONE THAT'S OUTSTANDING. I THINK THE DISTRICT AGREES JUST NOT TO PUT UP THE SIGNAGE AND THEY MAY COME BACK AFTER YOU CHANGE YOUR ORDINANCE AND ASKED TO PUT THAT SIGNAGE BACK UP AGAIN BUT THAT WOULD OF COURSE BE A PERMITTED PROCESS AT THAT TIME WE ARE CONFIDENT THAT THE LIGHTING COMPLIES AND ANY MINOR CONCERNS ABOUT EDGES OF THE PROPERTY LINE CAN FIXED BY EITHER FURTHER STUDY OR BY ACTUALLY NAMING THE FIXTURES WHEN THEY'RE IN PLACE SO THAT WE COULD GET THROUGH THAT AND THE PARKING OF COURSE YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT. I DO BELIEVE THE DISTRICT IS WILLING TO SIGN AN AGREEMENT ABOUT CONCURRENT USE TO HELP ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THERE. SO I REALLY THINK THIS BOILS DOWN TO SOUND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT SOME OF THE OTHER PIECES THAT RELATE TO THAT THE THE DISTRICT IS ALSO WOULD AGREE TO NOT HAVE EVENTS AFTER NIGHT AFTER 10 P.M. SO WE WOULD ONLY BE DURING IT DURING DAYTIME USE AND YOUR OWN ORDINANCE SO THAT'S THAT I THINK WITH THAT I WIL OPEN IT UP TO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE FOR US. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT THANK YOU. MR. CHAIR MY QUESTION IS REGARDING ATTENDANCE CURRENT ATTENDANCE AT LET'S SAY YOUR LARGEST EVENTS CURRENTLY AT THE LINCOLN STADIUM WHAT WHAT IS THE WHAT IS YOUR MAX ATTENDANCE THAT YOU'VE EVER SEEN THERE? I'M GOING TO HAVE TO ASK SOMEONE, THE DISTRICT TO COME IN AND TRY TO REPORT THAT FIGURE . MR. NYBERG, IF YOU COULD INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR THE AUDIENCE. CHAD NYBERG BLOOMINGTON JEFFERSON ACTIVITIES DIRECTOR SO WE TOOK AVERAGES OF THIS YEAR WITH OUR PRETTY SUCCESSFUL FOOTBALL SEASON AND THOSE WOULD BE OUR LARGEST EVENTS WE AVERAGED ABOUT 1550 IS OUR AVERAGE TO THIS YEAR. THANK YOU. THE OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT COMMISSIONER CURRY I DIDN'T SEE GOING BACK TO THE QUESTION ABOUT LANDSCAPING, I GUESS I DIDN'T SEE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT AS A HAS ANYBODY LOOKED AT PUTTING TREES IN OR ANYTHING KIND OF BLOCK ANY SORT OF NOISE? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S EVEN EFFECTIVE BUT I CAN SPEAK TO THAT. SO WE HAVE BEEN HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR ACOUSTICIAN ABOUT THIS TOPIC ARE TREES CAN BLOCK SOUND BUT HER QUOTE OR QUARTER IF YOU PLANTED A FOREST IT MIGHT MAKE DIFFERENCE Y CAN'TUT UP A FEW PINE TREES AND EXPECTED TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE WITH SOUND IT MAY ADDRESS SOME LIGHTING CONCERNS BUT AGAIN I THINK WE CAN ADDRESS THE LIGHTING CONCERNS WITH THE FIXTURES THAT ARE THERE IN THEIR ABILITY TO FOCUS THE LIGHT IF YOU COULD EXPAND A LITTLE BIT MORE ON IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE HAD BEEN ENGAGED WITH AN ACQUISITION AND YOU REFERENCED A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT VARIABLES THAT GO INTO SOUND RIGHT THERE IS THE THE CROWD WHICH AGAIN VARIES FROM EVENT TYPE OF SPORT SUCCESS TO THE TEAM ETC. THERE IS AMPLIFIED SOUND WHICH YOU KNOW IS YOUR YOUR MARKER AND ANNOUNCER AND ALL THAT AND. THEN THERE IS A BAND OF THE THINGS THAT CAN BE CONTROLLED. IT SOUNDS LIKE THE PRIMARY ING THAT CAN BE CONTROL IS AMPLIFIED SOUND. IS THAT ACCURATE? I WOULD SAY AMPLIFIED SOUND CAN BE ENGINEERED TO BE FOCUSED IN CERTAIN DIRECTIONS THE VOLUME LEVELS OF THE CONTROLS PUT ON IT TO LOWER THE VOLUME LEVEL AND THAT ALSO ONE OF THE STUDIES WE SUBMITTED A SECONDARY ANALYSIS OF THAT THAT SHOWED HOW FAR IF WE TURN IT DOWN IT WOULD BE AT COMPLIANCE AT THE PROPERTY LINE. OKAY. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT COMMISSIONER GOTTESMAN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUICK QUESTION JUST FOR THE APPLICANT, WHAT IS THE CURRENT ENROLLMENT AT THIS FACILITY? HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE USUALLY THERE AT A AT A GIVEN DAY? THAT'S A STUDENT. SO 600 STUDENTS PLUS STAFF OF 101 HUNDRED PLUS SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON AN AVERAGE DO YOU THINK YOU SAID OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT COMMISSIONER MCGOVERN. GOING BACK TO THE NOISE ISSUE SORRY I HAVE ALLERGIES IN THE AMPLIFICATION AND AND I KNOW AT THE END OF GAMES THE DRUM CIRCLE PERFORMS AND THAT CAN BE VERY LOUD. WELL THAT CONTINUE AS A RITUAL AS PART OF JEFFERSON'S BECAUSE I CANNOT SEE IT STOPPING. I'LL LET THE DISTRICT IF THEY WANT TO MAKE SOME COMMITMENTS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. THIS DOES GO BACK TO MY MY STATEMENT I MADE BEFORE I DON'T THINK IT'S POSSIBLE TO COMPLY WITH YOUR SOUND ORDINANCE WITH THE ACTIVITIES THAT HAPPEN AT THESE STADIUMS . ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOUR ORDINANCE IS SUGGESTING I SAY THE ONLY WAY TO BUILD IT WITHIN COMPLIANCE OF YOUR ORDINANCE BE TO BUILD SOME WALLS AROUND IT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT LIKE YOU SEE ON A FREEWAY TO ACTUALLY CONTAIN THE SOUND BECAUSE THE FACT IS A DRUM IT ONE DRUM ITSF I GOING TO EXCEED THE ORDINANCE AND IF THAT HAPPENS FOR MORE THAN 6 MINUTES IN OUR WORLD OF COMPLIANCE WITH YOUR ORDINANCE. SO IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO DO THAT UNLESS YOU KNOW OF SOMEWHERE IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON THAT HAS HUNDRED FEET BETWEEN THE STADIUM AND THE NEAREST RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. IT'S REALLY JUST NOT GOING TO WORK AND THAT'S WHY I'M SUGGESTING THAT WE NEED TO APPLY FOR A TAPE TO SOUND EXEMPTION AND ACTUALLY WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU CONSIDER PUTTING A CONDITION IF WE HAVE ALL OF E OTHER PIECES OF THIS ANSWERED AND I THINK WE DO THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER PUTTING A CONDITION ON AND SEND US OFF ON THAT PROCESS TO SEE IF WE CAN WORK THAT WITH THE CITY STAFF AND WITH THE CITY COUNCIL. COMMISSIONER GOTTESMAN THANK YOU. ACTUALLY THIS QUESTION CAN I ASK FOUR STAFF SO PUTTING IT INTO CONTEXT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SOUND YOU MADE A STATEMENT I KNOW IN OTHER APPLICATIONS THAT THIS IS A STATE DRIVEN ACTIVITY. RIGHT. SO DO WE HAVE ANY OF OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE STADIUMS AND HOW THEY'VE COMPLIED WITH THE STATE'S MANDATE ON SOUND? YEAH, I GREW UP IN A SMALL TOWN IN SOUTHERN MINNESOTA AND IT WAS VERY RESIDENTIAL AND I KNOW THEY WERE LOUD SO I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE. COMMISSIONERS THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE TO STUDY. I DON'T KNOW GOING TO HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS BUT I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY PARTICULAR GLOBAL STUDY OR ANYTHING THAT SUGGESTS WHAT OTHER SCHOOL DO . CHAIR COMMISSIONERS I'M KEVIN ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY. I WORK WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING TO BE CLEAR THAT WE ADOPT THE STATE LAW STANDARD SO WE CAN'T GO ANY MORE STRINGENT THAN THAT. SO IT IS A STATE DRIVEN PROCESS. THERE'S SUGGESTIONS THAT IT'S OUR ORDINANCE OUR ORDINANCE IS TOO STRICT BUT WE'RE JUST TAKING WHAT STATE LAW GIVES US AND THE BCA SO THAT'S WHAT WE INCORPORATE IN OUR AUDIENCE. THOSE STANDARDS GO INTO OUR CITY CODE , THAT'S WHAT WE ENFORCE SO JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT'S HAPPENING LEGALLY AND IF YOU COULD GIVE US AN APOLOGY WE'RE IN THE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT SECTION BUT SINCE WE ARE RELEVANT TO THAT TASK CAN YOU SHARE WITH US THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE ON THE TYPE TO THAT IS REFERENCED BY APPLICANT? YEAH, I TOOK A LOOK AT THE LAW WOULD REQUIRE AND WE WOULD HAVE TO AUTHORIZE A VOTE YOU'D HAVE TO GET A VARIANCE FROM THE NPC AND THE CITY ACTUALLY SO YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE TWO VARIANCES TO OPERATE THAT WAY. I MEAN ONE OF THE FINDINGS FOR A FINAL SITE AND DEVELOPME PLAN APPVAL THAT YOU'D BE CONSIDERING IS THAT IT WERE COMPLIANT WITH CITY CODE WHICH IN TURN MEANS YOU'RE COMPLIANT WITH STATE LAW REGARDING SOUND SO YOU KIND OF HAVE TO MAKE SURE ALL THE TEAMS ARE CROSS HERE SO THERE'S A LOCAL AND A STATE ANGLE BOTH ON THAT. SO I THINK THE PLANNING MANAGER PUT UP A SLIDE THAT KIND OF OUTLINES THOSE OPTIONS . GO AHEAD. YOU HAVE MORE THOUGHTS ON THAT TERM AND COMMISSIONERS YEAH, THE SLIDE ON THE SCREEN GOES INTO LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON THE VARIANCE OR EXCEPTION PROCESS UNDER BOTH STATE LAW AND AT THE CITY LEVEL. AND AS ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY KEVIN THOMAS SAID, WE CANNOT BE MORE STRINGENT THAN THE STATE. WE CAN ALSO NOT BE ANY LESS STRINGENT THAN THE STATE WE HAVE TO MATCH THE STATE NOISE STANDARDS SO THE STATE LEVEL IT IS CONSIDERED A VARIANCE THAT IS REVIEWED AT THE STAFF LEVEL BY MINNESOTA POLLUTION CONTROL AGENCY OFFICIALS. THIS MINSTER TASK SAID CONSIDERATIONS THEY WOULD LOOK AT WOULD BE THAT COMIANCE MUSTREATE AN UNDUE HARDSHIP AND THAT COMPLIANCE BE UNREASONABLE, IMPRACTICAL OR NOT FEASIBLE. SO THAT'S KIND OF THEIR LEVEL OF REVIEW AND THEN AT THE CITY LEVEL THERE BE A PARALLEL PROCESS CALLED A TYPE TWO NOISE EXCEPTION THAT WOULD BE REVIEWED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AT A PUBLIC HEARING THEY WOULD LOOK AT FACTORS SUCH AS THE TIMING OF THE NOISE PROXIMITY NUMBERS OF PEOPLE IMPACTED LAND USES, THE AMBIENT SOUND LEVEL. ONE THING TOOINT OUT IS THAT UNDER THE CODE AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION RULES OF PROCEDURE ANY VARIANCE MUST BE ACTED UPON PRIOR TO APPROVAL OF ANY APPLICATIONS THAT ARE CONTINGENT ON THE VARIANCE. SO WE WOULD NEED THOSE TO BE PROCESSED IF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WISHED TO APPLY FOR THEM WE WOULD NEED THOSE TO BE PROCESSED PRIOR TO YOUR FORMAL ACTION. OKAY THAT CLEAR TO THE THE GROUP WHAT WAS JUST THE PART THAT WAS JUST COVERED AT THE END IF I'M INTERPRETING THAT RIGHT IF WE FOUND OTHER ASPECTS OF THE APPLICANT APPLICATION TO BE COMPLIANT AND WE WISHED PROVIDE FINAL APPROVAL OF THAT WHICH THIS UNDER THE CODE WE ARE THE FINAL APPROVAL AUTHORITY UNLESS WE DECLINE IN WHICH CASE IS SUBJECT TO AN APPEAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO ISSUE THAT APPROVAL IF ONE CONDITION WAS IN NOISE VARIANCE FOR EXAMPLE IF IF WE FELT EVERYTHING WAS IN COMPLIANCE FOR THE NOISE AND THIS PROCESS EXISTS AS IS OUTLINED HERE AND THE SCHOOL WOULD PURSUE THAT OPTION WHICH WOULD THEIR RIGHT WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE AN APPROVAL BEFORE THAT WAS APPROVED. ROHMAN AND ONE MORE NUANCE TO ADD IN TO THAT IS THAT THE CITY CODE IF THERE IS A VARIANCE APPLICATION THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD LOSE FINAL APPROVAL AUTHORITY OVER THE FINAL SITE AND BUILDING PLAN APPLICATION. IN THAT CASE YOU WOULD BECOME A RECOMMENDING BODY TO THE CITY COUNCIL IF IF I MIGHT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE NO VARIANCE IN THE IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR THIS THAT IT ACTUALLY AN EXEMPTION EXCEPTION TO YOUR ORDINANCE AND SO WOULDN'T THAT THROW IT OUTSIDE OF THE RLM OF BEING A VARIANCE THAT IS WHAT WE HAD BEEN TOLD THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VARIANCE. CHAIR ROHMAN COMMISSIONERS THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S NOT A LAND USE VARIANCE. IT'S EXCEPTION PERMIT IN CHAPTER TEN TO OUR NOISE STANDARD. SO IT'S NOT A LD USE VARIANCE BUT ONE OF YOUR BYLAWS IS THAT YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER ANY ANTECEDENT YOU KNOW APPROVALS BEFORE YOU KNOW THE CONTINGENT APPROVAL. ONE OF THE FINDINGS YOU HAVE TO MAKE FOR FINAL SITE AND BUILDING PLANS IS THAT IT'S COMPLIANT WITH STATE LAW AND CITY CODE . SO YOU HAVE TO DO THAT AS PART OF THE FINAL APPROVAL. SO WE HAD TO OUT HOW NOISE IS COMPLIANT AND IT CAN BE COMPLIANT THROUGH A VARIANCE OR NOISE EXCEPTION PERMIT AND SO SINCE IT'S NOT SINCE IT WOULD NOT BE CITY VARIANCE IT CLEARLY IS A STATE VARIANCE AND THERE'S A CITY EXCEPTION. YEAH SINCE IT WOULD NOT BE A CITY VARIANCE IS THAT POSSIBLE THAT IT COULD BE A CONDITION AND STILL BE MEET THE MEET THE PLANNING REVIEW OF WHETHER OR NOT IT'S COMPLIANT IF THAT WAS A CONDITION OR A CONDITION OF OF APPROVAL OF APPROVAL BEING COMPLIANT CITY CODE EITHER EITHER COMPLIANT OR MEETING THE STATE AND CITY VARIANCE AND EXCEPTION PROCESS YEAH IT COULD BE MADE A CONDITION YEAH THAT WOULD BE AN ACCEPTABLE THAT THAT WOULD BE FROM THE RED BOX AND THE BAR AND THAT WLD B FOR A CITY VARIANCE. I MEAN YOU'D HAVE TO YOU'D HAVE TO GET THE APPROVAL BEFORE ANYTHING COULD HAPPEN WHAT THE CONDITIONS ARE I MEAN CONDITIONS ARE YES IF CORRECT YEAH I JUST WANT TO SEE YOU TAKE ACTION ON THIS BEFORE THAT HAPPENED THOUGH SO I MEAN THEY COULD COME BACK WE COULD KEEP IT OPEN. WE HAVE AN AGENCY ACTION DEADLINE HAVE TO MEET SO WE CAN'T WE CAN'T DO THAT FOREVER. WE HAVE TO ACT IN A CERTAIN OF TIME. SO DO WE HAVE EITHER PLANNING STAFF OR LEGAL DO WE HAVE ANY SITUATIONS WHERE WE HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS WITH NPC BEFORE FOR AN APPLICATION TERM AND I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY CITY LEVEL VARIANCES APPROVED BY THE STATE SO WE DON'T AND WE HAVE A TEMPERATURE TAKE ON WHAT THEIR PROCESS TIMELINE IS CAROL AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY WOULD HAVE NO MORE 120 DAYS TO ACT UPON THAT APPLICATION. OKAY. AND HOW WOULD THAT INTERFACE WITH OUR 120 DAYS AND AROUND THEN IF THAT APPLICATION WERE TO BE SUBMITTED THAT WOULD GO BEYOND YOUR 120 DAYS FOR AGENCY ACTION. SO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WOULD HAVE THE OPTION OF EXTENDING THAT TIMELINE TO GIVE YOU MORE TIME TO ACTION. THEY MAY OR MAY NOT DO THAT AND FAILURE TO ACT IN 120 DAYS IS AN AUTOMATIC CORRECT? CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CURRENT STRUCTURE THAT EXISTS THERE RIGHT NOW AND WHAT IS IT WHAT'S IT BEING USED FOR AND WHAT IS THE SOUND WHAT ARE THE SOUNDS LIKE COMING FROM THE STATE THE CURRENT AS IT IS RIGHT NOW AND YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE AREA JEFFERSON YES. YEAH. OKAY. IT'S USED OR MAYBE ONE OF MAYBE YOU'D COME UP AND TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY USE IT FOR NOW THERE ARE GAMES PLAYED THERE, THERE'S PRACTICE PLAYED THERE YEAH CHAD AND I WERE AGAIN BLOOMINGTON JEFFERSON ACTIVITIES DIRECTOR YEAH. SO IN THE FALL WE'LL PLAY SOCCER WHO HAVE SOME SOME FOOTBALL GAMES IN THE SPRING WE'LL HAVE LACROSSE, WE'LL HAVE SOME TRACK MEETS THAT JUST NORMAL USAGE HONESTLY LIKE THE YEAH IN THE SOUND COMPONENTS NOW IS LIKE WE PUT A BOOMBOX OUT IN ANNOUNCE IT INF I MAY THE BAND SO A BAND WOULD WOULD PRACTICE OVER KIND OF OVER ON WILSON PROPERTY THROUGH THE KIND OF FOOTBALL SEASON SO LIKE MID AUGUST GETS RECALLED SO THANK YOU COMMISSIONER IN THIS TOUR MAY I ASK A QUESTION OF STAFF YOU MEAN MR. STINSON ARE YOU DO WE HAVE ANY EXISTING NOISE COMPLAINT ISSUES WITH THE BAND OR OTHER AT THIS SITE? TOURNAMENT COMMISSIONER THE PLAIN DIVISION HASN'T RECEIVED ANY THERE THERE WAS SOME COMMENTARY IN CORRESPONDENCE THAT LARGE BAND CREATES A LOT OF NOISE BUT. I'M NOT I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY COMPLAINTS AND AS PART OF THIS REVIEW I DID SPEAK WITH POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THAT WAS MORE OF JUST A GENERAL. HOW ARE THINGS GOING AT LINCOLN? THEY TYPICALLY HAVE THREE OFFICERS AND ONE SERGEANT THAT IS AT OUR GAMES AND THEY WERE THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO SAY IN TERMS OF ISSUES OR DISTURBANCES OR IT BEING TOO LONG FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD . EXCUSE ME, MR. ABACUS. SORRY IF I GET YOUR NAME WRONG. WHAT WORK BEEN DONE TO DATE ON ON TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT IF ANY ON THE CITY HAS NOT ASKED US TO DO A TRAFFIC STUDY FOR THE SITE THAT HASN'T BEEN PART OF THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE SO THERE ARE NO SPECIFIC PLANS AND AS PART OF THAT YOUR FIRM IS INVOLVED WITH ABOUT HOW TO HELP MANAGE THE INFLUX AND INFLUX OF VEHICLES. NO OKAY. COMMISSIONER FULTON THANKS MR. CHAIR. I'M NOT SURE I'M TOTALLY SURE ON SOME OF THE THINGS SURROUNDING THIS YET IS SHOULD WE GET TO THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY RIGHT NOW WE'RE STILL QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT QUESTION. WE'VE WE HAD A FEW QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. WE'RE JUST NOT IN DISCUSSION. RIGHT. SO TO GET US SETTLED ON SOME OF THE LEGAL THINGS SHOULD WE WAIT ON THA AND OR SHOULD WE TRY TO FIGURE THAT OUT NOW WHICH I JUST DON'T THINK I'M CLEAR ON THE ACTION DEADLINE AND A FEW OF THOSE THINGS I BELIEVE OUR DEADLINE IS JANUARY SECOND JANUARY JANUARY 4TH. OKAY SO JANUARY 4TH IS TWO MONTHS FROM TODAY. THAT'S ABOUT 60 DAYS I DON'T SEE THE STATE ACTING ON SOMETHING WITHIN 60 DAYS FOR US. MAYBE I'M MAYBE I'M WRONG THAT SO IF WE CAN'T GET THE IF THAT'S THE PROCESS THE APPLICANT WANTED TO TO GO DOWN AND THE STATE DS NOT ACT WITHIN 60 DAYS THAT WOULD BE AN AUTOMATIC APPROVAL FOR THIS APPLICANT THAT IS CORRECT HOWEVER AND I I'LL I'LL DO RESPECT TO LEGAL THAT'S WHY WE ASKED THEM FOR THEIR OPINION THEIR OPINION IS THEIR OPINION AND WE TAKE THEIR OPINION AND WEIGH IT IN OUR DECISION WE'RE OFTEN ALMOST ALWAYS WISE TO FOLLOW THEIR OPINION BUT THEY GIVE US GUIDANCE AS TO WHAT WE MAY OR MAY NOT ENCOUNTER AND WE HEARD THE GUIDAE YOU KNOW, THEIR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE NOT PUT THAT IN AS A CONDITION VERSUS WAITING FOR AN ACTION SO NEVERTHELESS WE ARE AND AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A PUBLIC HEARING. AND SO AT THIS POINT I WOULD ASK IF THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR SORRY FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY. IF I COULD VOLUNTEER ONE MORE THING JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. WE HAVE NOT HAD CONTINGENCY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. I DO BELIEVE IF THIS ULTIMATELY GETS REJECTED BY THE CITY THERE THEY WILL TURN TO PROBABLY TRY TO REINVEST IN BLOOMINGTON STADIUM AND WE ARE GOING TO COME BACK AND WE'RE GOING TO FIND OUT THAT BLOOMINGTON STADIUM IS ALSO IN COMPLIANCE WITH YOUR SOUND ORDINANCE AND SO THE THE THE SIMILAR PROBLEMS BLOOMINGTON STADIUM IS ABOUT 235 FEET. THE GRANDSTAND FROM THE NEAREST RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. IN ADDITION, THERE'S SOME RIGHT ACROSS QUEEN AVENUE THAT ARE EVEN CLOSER TO THE FIELD. AND SO WE THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE CONTINUE TO PURSUE THIS AND SEE HOW WE'RE GOING TO G THROUGH IT BECAUSE I REALLY BELIEVE THAT YOUR CITY WANTS TO HAVE HIGH SCHOOLS AND HIGH SCHOOL STADIUMS HERE AND WE JUST HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO DO THAT RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS AT THIS POINT. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AS SENIOR PLANNER CENTENARIO INDICATED. WE DO HAVE TO APPLICATIONS TONIGHT THAT ARE EXCEEDINGLY SIMILAR. THIS SPECIFIC APPLICATION IN FRONT OF US RIGHT NOW IS FOR THE JEFFERSON SITE. SO I WOULD ASK THO WHO ARE TO COME FORWARD TO MAKE COMMENTS TO YOUR COMMENTS TO BE LIMITED TO THE APPLICATION QUESTION ALTHOUGH I CAN APPRECIATE THAT THEY ARE ARE OVERLAPPING AND SO I WOULD ASK PEOPLE TO IF YOU WOULD LIKE IF YOU HAVE NOT ALREADY SIGNED IN ON THE SHEET PLEASE DO SO EITHER BEFORE OR AFTER YOU SPEAK WE'LL ASK YOU TO DO IS TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF BY NAME AND THEN THE STAFF WILL HAVE CLOCK AT 3 MINUTES AND SO THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN. A COUPLE PEOPLE MIGHT KNOW ME. MY NAME IS FLOYD OLSON AND YOU MIGHT HAVE READ WHAT WE DISTRIBUTED TO HUNDRED PEOPLE THAT WERE WITHIN THE WITHIN THE 500 FEET OF JEFFERSON. SO THEY'VE ALL GOT IT. WE'VE GOT A LOT OF RESPONSES BUT LET ME TELL YOU THIS I JUST WANT TO COMMENT TO THE I USED TO BE THE CITY ATTORNEY IN BLOOMINGTON BY THE WAY ALSO THE DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY MINNEAPOLIS FOR NINE YEARS AND I WAS WITH THE COUNTY OFFICE FOR 13 YEARS. I TAUGHT LAW FOR 32 YEARS IN THREE LAW SCHOOLS AND. I TAUGHT LOCAL GOVERNMENT LAW. SO THERE ARE SOME THAT I HAVE BUT THE PROBLEM I'VE GOT IS THAT WHEN USED TO TEACH SCHOOL I USED TO GO ON RUN ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE BREAK WHICH MADE STUDENTS MAD AND IT WAS A TWO HOUR LECTURE. I WILL NOT TRY TO DO THAT BUT I DO THINK THAT SINCE YOU'VE GIVEN THE APPLICANT SO MUCH TIME YOU OUGHT TO BE GIVING US MORE THAN 3 MINUTES AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO SAY IS THIS I CALLED FOR AMONG OTHER THINGS I CALL TO HERE AND ASKED HIM ABOUT THE STATE LAW ON NOISE AND YOU OUGHT TO BUY IT REVISE OR HIS OFFICE TOLD ME THERE ISN'T ANY THERE ISN'T ANY A TO A MATTER AND I SAID OKAY I'LL ACCEPT THAT BUT I DON'T KNOW WHETHER ANYBODY ELSE DOES MAYBE SOMEONE CAN CLARIFY IT BUT THE OTHERHING I WANT TO DO IS ASK YOU WHETHER THE SCHOOL DISTRICT CAN ASSURE THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IT CAN MEET THE CITY'S NOISE ORDINANCE AND NOW I'VE HEARD THAT IT CAN'T AND I WAS GOING TO TELL YOU I KNOW THAT THE I DON'T KNOW IF THE PERSON WHO WAS HERE WROTE LETTER BUT ON OCTOBER 23RD JUST A MONTH AGO OR A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, THE ARCHITECT WROTE A LETTER CLAIMING TO BE A NOISE STADIUM SOUND STUDY OCTOBER 23RD, 2023 AND THIS VERSION OF THE REPORT IS UPDATED TO REFLECT A STRATEGY OF LOWERING THE SOUND LEVEL OF THE AUDIO TO ACHIEVE THE VOLUME OF 60 DECIBELS OR LESS . IT'S A STRATEGY AND WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO TELL YOU THAT THERE IS A METHOD FOR GETTING THAT DOWN TO THAT METHOD IS CALLED THE INVERSE SQUARE LAW. THE INVERSE SQUARE LAW REALLY JUST SAYS THAT AS YOU DOUBLE THE DISTANCE FROM THE SOUND WHAT YOU GET THE THE THE SOUND THEN IN INTENSITY LOWERS BY FOUR THANK YOU THAT WE'VE REACHED 3 MINUTES WE'LL LET YOU KNOW THAT IF YOU LET THIS IS THE RULES OF PROCEDURE ONCE EVERYONE HAS HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME UP YOU MAY HAVE ANOTHER 3 MINUTES. BUT I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I'M GOING TO DO THESE ARE THE RULES OF PROCEDURE FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION. WHAT I'M GOING TO DO I'M TO TYPE ALL THIS UP AND I'M GOING TO SEND IT TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL. I'M GOING TO SEND IT TO THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY AND I'LL SEND IT TO YOU SO THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE WHAT THE PROBLEMS ARE WITH. THANK YOU. AND THE OTHER THING I WANT ARE YOUR TIME IS EXPIRED PLEASE I WOULD ASK THAT YOU PLEASE COMPLY WITH THE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. I WILL SO THAT THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THAT THAT'S GREAT AND WE WANT EVERYONE TO HAVE THE SAME OPPORTUNITY THEY WILL BUT I'VE LIVED HERE FOR 51 YEARS NEXT TO THAT SCHOOL. THANK YOU. AND I CAN TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON. THANK YOU SO AND RIGHT IF YOU TO GO AHEAD AND COME OUT TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND THE THREE WILL HAVE 3 MINUTES THANK YOU. PLANNING COMMISSION CHAIR COMMISSIONERS THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. MY NAME IS CHRISTY LOU. I LIVE AT 3400 WEST 84TH STREET. I HAVE FOUR CHILDREN AND. I'M IN MY 10TH YEAR OF HAVING A STUDENT AT JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL. MY YOUNGEST IS CURRENTLY A SOPHOMORE AND I AM SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OF THE PROPOSED STADIUM RENOVATIONS AT JEFFERSON AND KENNEDY HIGH SCHOOL. ALL OF MY CHILDREN HAVE PARTICIPATED IN COUNTRY TRACK AT JEFFERSON. IT'S HARD TO OVERSTATE THE IMPORTANCE. THIS COMMUNITY HAS BEEN TO MY BOYS OVER THE YEARS THIS WAS ESPECIALLY APPARENT DURING THE PANDEMIC WHEN GETTING OUT OF BED WAS A MAJOR ACCOMPLISHMENT FOR ONE OF MY SONS AND RUNNING PRACTICE WAS ONE OF THE FEW THINGS THAT HE HAD TO LOOK FORWARD TO. I'VE SEEN MY SONS DEVELOP MATURITY, HEALTHY HABITS AND FRIENDSHIPS WITH A POSITIVE SUPPORTIVE COMMUNITY OF FELLOW ATHLETES. OVER THESE TEN YEARS WE'VE BEEN TO MANY TRACK MEETS AT MANY SCHOOLS AND IT IS APPARENT WE DO NOT HAVE FACILITIES HERE AT JEFFERSON THAT ARE IN LINE WITH OTHER SCHOOLS NOR ARE WE ABLE TO HOST THE KINDS MEETS THAT THEY CAN. WE DON'T HAVE ADEQUATE SEATING ,WE DON'T HAVE AN OUTDOOR SCOREBOA AND A TIMING SYSTEM. WE DON'T HAVE FOR EVENING EVENTS. IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD OFFER OUR ATHLETES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A TRUE HOME NEAT EXPERIENCE RIGHT HERE ON OUR HOME TURF GATHERING WITH OTHER PARENTS IN THE STANDS TO CHEER ON OUR TEAM SOMETHING MANY FAMILIES LOOK FORWARD TO REGARDLESS OF THE SPORT. HOSTING OUR OWN MEET WOULD PROVIDE A PLACE AND A TIME FOR THIS COMMUNITY TO GATHER AND PROVIDE SPACE FOR OTHERS TO JOIN US. WE COULD HAVE OWN SCHOOL RECORD WHILE ON DISPLAY MOTIVATING THE TEAM AT TIMES AND MARCH TORY AND BEAT ALL THIS BUILDS A SENSE OF IDENTITY AND PRIDE IN OUR SCHOOL AND OUR TEAMS AND I'VE HEARD A LOT OF CHALLENGES DISCUSSED TONIGHT. I SEEM TO THINK WE CAN FIND A WAY TO WORK AROUND THESE THINGS. I ENCOURAGE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE ENTIRE BLOOMINGTON COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT AND PROVIDE OUR ATHLETES WITH A PLACE TO CALL HOME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HELLO. THANK YOU. PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY ADMINISTRATION FOR HEARING OUR VIEWS THIS EVENING. IT'S A LEARNING EXPERIENCE I THINK FOR A LOT US. MY NAME IS MARK MORELL. I'M A 15 YEAR RESIDENT HERE IN BLOOMINGTON ALONG WITH MY WIFE. WE HAVE TWO CHILDREN THAT ATTEND JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL. I'M SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OF THE ON CAMPUS STADIUM IMPROVEMENTS . THERE ARE A NUMBER OF REASONS FOR THAT. I'LL START WITH INVESTMENT IN OUR SCHOOLS. RIGHT. AS A PREVIOUS SPEAKER JUST ECHOED, YOU KNOW, BLOOMINGTON HAVE DEMONSTRATED SUPPORTS VIA THE PUBLIC SCHOOL REFERENDUM THIS LAST FALL RENEWING IT FOR WHEN IT CAME TO THE END OF THE TEN YEARS. I THINK IT'S LONG OVERDUE. I'VE HEARD PARENTS, COACHES, SCHOOL ADMINISTRATION TALK EXCITEDLY ABOUT HAVING AN ON CAMPUS STADIUM. RIGHT. THERE'S A PERCEIVED LACK OF INVESTMENT WHEN VISITING OTHER SCHOOLS WITHIN THE CONFERENCE. I THINK ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE BASED ON OUR DISCUSSIONS THIS EVENING IS I'MUST CURIOUS TO SEE HOW NEW PRAGUE, WACONIA OR CHASKA OR CHANHASSEN HAVE GOTTEN AROUND THE THE SOUND VARIANCE RIGHT AROUND THE STATE CODE BECAUSE THERE ARE RESIDENTIAL HOMES VERY CLOSE TO THESE STADIUMS. JUST CURIOUS I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S WORTH LOOKING INTO RIGHT. OTHER THAN BURNSVILLE LIKE BURNSVILLE IS IN A WAREHOUSE DISTRICT SO THEY'RE NOT RESIDENTIAL STUDENTS. SAFETY IS ANOTHER BIG ONE. RIGHT. EASE OF ACCESS FROM THE SCHOOL KIDS CAN WALK RIGHT OUT TO THE STADIUM WITH THESE EVENTS. RIGHT. IT'S IN A CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT. SCHOOL DISTRICT OWNS THE PARKING LOT. THEY OWN THE BUILDINGS. I THINK IT'S A BIG BENEFIT OUR KIDS FOR THEIR SAFETY AS THEY WORK TOWARDS THE STADIUM. SCHOOL ADMINISTRATORS HAVE A PLACE FOR THE WHOLE SCHOOL TO MEET RIGHT? IN THE EVENT OF AN EMERGENCY EVERYBODY CAN CONGREGATE, GO TO THE BLEACHERS. THERE'S A SOUND SYSTEM WHERE THEY CAN COMMUNICATE ALL THESE KIDS IN ONE ONE PLACE RIGHT ON CAMPUS EXPERIENCE. THIS MAKES US HAVE HOME FIELD A SENSE OF COMMUNITY, A BRAND FOR JEFFERSON IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO UNIFY OUR CAMPUS. THERE'S NO MORE BURDEN OF TRAVELING TO A HOME GAME. I THINK YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT THIS WHERE FOOTBALL PLAYERS HAVE TO GO TO LINCOLN. RIGHT FOR A HOME GAME, RIGHT? WELL, DON'T WANT TO STEAL ANYONE'S THUNDER HERE BUT THERE'S BEEN OCCASION WHERE IF A BUS DRIVER GETS LOST, GUESS WHAT? WE'RE LATE FOR OUR OWN HOME GAME. IT'S KIND OF FUNNY I THINK ABOUT THE BAND STUDENTS WALKING RIGHT OUT OF BAND ROOMS RIGHT DOWN TO THE STADIUM WITH THEIR INSTRUMENTS THEY HAVE TO HOP ON A BUS TO DO THIS. RIGHT. ANOTHER FACTOR OF SAFETY WITHOUT. JUST WANT TO ECHO, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST POINT THE IMPORTANCE INVESTING IN OUR SCHOOLS AND INVESTING IN KIDS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JACKIE JOHNS AND I AM SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OF THE STADIUMS FOR JEFFERSON AND KENNEDY. I'M A PARENT OF A BOY IN THE JEFFERSON LACROSSE PROGRAM AND I'VE HAD TWO GIRLS THAT HAVE GRADUATED AND WERE IN THE GIRLS LACROSSE PROGRAM. I AM A LICENSED SCHOOL NURSE FOR THE DISTRICT. I FEEL THAT THE STADIUM IS LONG OVERDUE AT JEFFERSON IN PARTICULAR DUE TO ACCESSIBILITY ISSUES. WE HAVE STUDENTS IN EVERY GRADE LEVEL IN BLOOMINGTON THAT HAVE SIGNIFICANT MOBILITY ISSUES SOME IN WHEELCHAIRS. THE CURRENT SITUATION T BLEACHERS LOCATED AT THE BOTTOM OF A STEEP HILL MAKES IT FOR THESE STUDENTS AS WELL AS THE MANY PARENTS GRANDPARENTS WITH JOINT AND MOBILITY ISSUES TO ENJOY THE GAMES. MANY FANS VIEW FROM THE OF THE HILL TO AVOID THE UNEVEN GROUND TO ACCESS THE STANDS. THE HILL PUTS MANY FANS YARDS FROM THE FIELD THIS DISTANCE TAKES AWAY FROM THE GROUP EXCITING AND THE SCHOOL SPIRIT AND THE ATMOSPHERE. PLAYERS CANNOT HEAR THE CHEERS OF LOVE AND SUPPORT AND THE SENSE OF COMMUNITY IS DIMINISHED. WE SHOULD NOT VIEW REMODELED STADIUMS OUR SCHOOLS AS A LUXURY BUT AS A NECESSITY. WE NEED THESE FACILITIES TO BE INCLUSIVE FOR ALL TO. ENJOY. THANK YOU . HELLO. MY NAME IS FRAY PALMQUIST. I LIVE ON JOHNSON CIRCLE SO. I THINK I HAVE A SORT OF UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE IN THAT IT'S KIND OF IN MY BACKYARD. I HAVE A YOUNG SON WHO HOPE WILL PLAY SPORTS IN THIS AREA. I THINK WHAT PEOPLE PAINT A PICTURE OF IS WONDERFUL. I THINK I GO WATCH GAMES ALL THE TIME. I TOTALLY AGREE IT'S VERY STEEP HILL TO GO DOWN. THERE ARE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE CAN MAKE BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT I THINK WOULD IMPROVE IT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE AS WELL. AND SO I AM REPRESENTING MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND JUST SAYING THAT WE HAVE CONSIDERATIONS FOR ACCEPTANCE THAT WE AT LEAST OUR GROUP WOULD BE FINE WITH IF WERE ABLE TO MEET A LOT OF THOSE. SO I DON'T THINK FLOYD GOT A CHANCE GET TO ALL THOSE SO I'LL GO THROUGH THOSE QUICKLY. BUT IT WOULD BE THAT THESE SPORTING EVENTS MAINTAIN AND STAY TWO JEFFERSON TEAMS COMPETING SO IT WOULD NOT BE LEAST OUT USE REGIONALLY WHICH WE WERE TOLD BY THE SUPERINTENDENT ON MONDAY IT WOULD NOT BE BUT THEN HEARD TONIGHT THAT IT WOULD BE SO. WE'VE HAD SOME CONTRADICTORY THINGS WE HAD AS MANY MEETINGS AS WE CAN BECAUSE WE WANT THIS TO HAPPEN AND WE'RE VERY PRO SCHOOL BUT WE JUST WANT IT TO HAPPEN IN THE RIGHT WAY AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S TOO MUCH TO ASK. I DON'T WANT MY VALUE TO GO DOWN $100,000 JUST BECAUSE I LIVE AND I THINK THERE'S WAYS TO MANAGE MITIGATE THAT HAVEN'T BEEN PAID ATTENTION TO UNTIL NOW IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS NOT INCLUDED IN ANY OF THOSE PRIOR MEETINGS AND WE WERE NEVER ASKED OR TALKED TO. ACTUALLY A CELEBRITY IN 51 YEARS ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENED AT THE SCHOOL SO THE SPORTING TEAMS BEING JEFFERSON TEAM IS PLAYING THE PARKING BEING MANAGED BY THE POLICE AND ANY TO MITIGATE THE INFLUX OF TRAFFIC AND THE SAFETY THAT WOULD CAUSE PEDESTRIANS FURTHER TO WHAT'S ALREADY THERE SPEAKERS AND SOUND SYSTEMS AND LIGHTING REFUSE TRASH AND DEBRIS REMOVED WITHIN 24 HOURS NO PARKING SIGNS MAINTAINED AND POSSIBLY EVEN MOVED UP IN PLACES LIKE OUR CIRCLE. AND THEN I HAVEN'T HEARD A SINGLE MENTION THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF THIS AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HAS THERE BEEN IN ANY PRELIMINARY POINT AN ENVIRONMENTAL LOOK AT THE AREA AROUND HERITAGE HILLS PARK, THE LARGE POND ACROSS FRANCE AND HUNDRED AND SECOND AND THEN RIGHT NEAR OUR HOUSES ON THE CIRCLE IS THE ANSEL GLEN AND THERE ARE LOTS OF LOTS OF MIGRATORY BIRDS THAT MY FAMILY LOVES TO TRACK THROUGHOUT THAT TIME AND I DO HAVE PERSONAL ON THAT BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE THERE HAS BEEN A SINGLE STUDY DONE ON THE IMPACT OF THOSE FLYWAYS AND WE KNOW THERE ARE LOTS OF STUDIES ON THE IMPACT OF LIGHTING ON MIGRATORY BIRDS AND I WOULD REALLY HATE TO SEE IT WOULD BREAK MY HEART TO SEE A LOT OF THAT AREA STRIPPED OUT AND ENDANGERED BY LIGHTS AND NOISE AND SO I WOULD REALLY STRESS AND ASK TO PLEASE HAVE SOMEONE LOOK INTO A BASELINE OF THAT. I HAVEALKED TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY BOARD. I DO HAVE WAYS THAT WE CAN DO THAT. WE JUST HAVEN'T HAD THE TIME BECAUSE NO ONE TOLD US ABOUT THIS. SO WE ARE WHAT WE CAN AND THANK YOU FOR DOING WHAT YOU CAN. GOOD EVENING. THANKS FOR HAVING US HERE TONIGHT. MY NAME IS JIM CARLSON. A LITTLE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. I'M A TEACHER AT JEFFERSON. I'M A HEAD FOOTBALL. I AM JEFFERSON ALUM. I'M A PARENT I AM A RESIDENT NOT TOO FAR FROM. MR. OLSON. I LIVE A BLOCK AWAY FROM THE SCHOOL. SO I THINK, I BRING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ANY TIME SOMETHING LIKE THIS COMES UP YOU REALLY WANT TO ASK YOURSELF WHAT'S BEST FOR THE OVERALL COMMUNITY? AND FOR ME THERE ARE MANY THINGS THAT MATTERS TO COMMUNITIES. THRIVING SCHOOLS HAS TO BE AT THE TOP OF THE LIST. IT REALLY DOES. IF YOU ARE A YOUNG FAMILY LOOKING A PLACE TO, YOU KNOW, SET UP ROOTS AND YOU STOOD IN OUR PARKING LOT AND JUST LOOKED AROUND AND THEN YOU GO TO CHANHASSEN PRIOR LAKE ANY OF THE LAKE FILLS SHAKOPEE YOU LOOK AROUND TO STAND IN THE PARKING LOT LOOK AROUND YOU'RE GOING TO ASK YOURSELF WHY WOULD WE GO TO JEFFERSON NOW A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY WELL YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF ABOUT THE JEFFERSON AND THE QUALITY OF EDUCATION ESPECIALLY IN THE NINTH GRADE SOCIAL STUDIES DEPARTMENT. BUT FACILITIES MATTER TO YOUNG FAMILIES. HOW DO I KNOW THAT RIGHT AND IT'S RIGHT OR WRONG IT'S ON IT'S AN UNAVOIDABLE TRUTH. HOW DO I KNOW TT? SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE STUDENTS I HAVE HAD TO GO THROUGH PLAYERS THAT I HAVE GONE THROUGH THEY ARE GOING TO SHOCK ME. MY SON WHO'S BLOOMINGTON THROUGH AND THROUGH MOVED TO JORDAN. WHY HE GETS TO BE RIGHT TO A BRAND NEW SCHOOL COMMUNITY CENTER AND SO ON. NOW WE DON'T PLAY FOOTBALL AT JEFFERSON, PLAY A FEW SOCCER GAMES, WE DON'T PLAY HOCKEY ON CAMPUS WE DON'T HAVE BASEBALL GAMES ON CAMPUS AS MENTIONED. WE DON'T TRACK ON CAMPUS. IN FACT, YOU KNOW JEFFERSON, HAS NEVER PLAYED A FOOTBALL GAME WITHIN ITS SCHOOL BOUNDARIES. HOW MANY PLACES CAN ACTUALLY SAY THAT AND I WILL WE DID GET LOST TO ONE OF OUR HOME GAMES. I WILL VOUCH FOR THAT I GOT AN ARGUMENT WITH THE BUS DRIVER ABOUT WHERE GO AND YES WE GOT LOST SO ANYWAY BLOOMINGTON DUE FOR A CHANGE OVER AS OUR COMMUNITY AGES AND PLAIN AND SIMPLE SCHOOL FACILITIES MATTER IT BUILDS COMMUNITY NOW I'M ALSO NOT NAIVE ENOUGH I HAVE TWO REALTORS IN THE FAMILY WHEN SCHOOLS ATTRACTING CUSTOMERS MY PROPERTY VALUE GOES UP. IT WAS PLAIN AND SIMPLE. I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT LIGHTS I MEAN LET'S ASK APPLE VALLEY SALES PARK COOPER ARMSTRONG WHAT DO THEY DO BECAUSE IT'S A LOT CLOSER AND IS NOW SO THERE'S GOT TO BE SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE I'M ALL FIXING THIS OUT LAST THING I'LL SAY OH MY GOSH 3 MINUTES THE CITY THIS IS AN EMAIL I GOT THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON IS A POPULAR DESTINATION TO LIVE WORKSHOP, PLAY AND RAISE A FAMILY AS OUR CITY GROWS AND EVOLVES BLOOMINGTON NEEDS TO CONTINUE MAKING INVESTMENTS IN COMMUNITY AMENITIES AND BRING RESIDENTS TOGETHER AND ENHANCE THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE. THAT WAS THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON I GOT THIS WEEK AND WE ARE ON BOARD SO LET'S MAKE THE SCHOOLS BETTER TOO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH . MY NAME IS DAVID OLSON. I'M THE SON FLOYD OLSON, FORMER CITY ATTORNEY OF BLOOMINGTON. HE'LL BE 90 AT THE END OF NOVEMBER. CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT? I MEAN SOMEBODY THAT CLEAR IN MIND I WAS A DRUMMER FOR THE MARCHING BAND IN 1987 I THINK AND WE HAD A LOT TALKS WITH OUR DIRECTOR DR. EARL BENSON ABOUT SOUND BECAUSE WE WOULD COME OUT OF SIGHT IN THE SPRING AND PLAY OUR DRUMS. HERE'S SIX DRUMS SNARE DRUMS FOR TENOR DRUMS AND ALL THE OTHER DRUMS AND WHAT THE PREVIOUS GUY I RESPECT THE THAT YOU'RE A COACH BUT YOU DON'T REALIZE HOW MUCH NOISE A DRUM MAKE I'M A DRUMMER AND I STILL PLAY DRUMS AND I WENT TO DRUM FANTASY CAMP OUT IN L.A. YOU MIGHT SAY WHAT'S THAT? IT'S A TOP DRUMMERS IN THE WORLD AND ON MY GOSH HERE'S A 70 YEAR OLD GUY 76 FOR TOWER OF POWER GARIBALDI MAKING A LOT OF NOISE AND I JUST WOULD JUST THINK WHAT THESE 16, 15, 14 YEAR OLD KIDS CAN DO. BUT I DIGRESS. THE SECOND THING IS IS THAT THE MARCHING BAND USED TO OVER 300 KIDS AND IT'S ONLY LIKE 120 NOW BUT THAT'S STILL A LOT OF NOISE AND FINALLY ONE OF THE THINGS WE DON'T TALK ABOUT IS BUYING OUT THE PEOPLE AND THIS AND THIS ISN'T YOUR ISSUE BUT. IT'S PROBABLY THE ARROGANCE OR JEFFERSON'S ISSUE IS BUYING OUT THE 12 HOUSES ON JOHNSON CIRCLE IN 100 AND SECONDS THAT WOULD COST ABOUT 500,000 APIECE WITH MOVING COSTS BY ABOUT $6 MILLION. SO I ASK PEOPLE WHO ARE FOR ARE YOU WILLING TO EXPAND 60 OR WHATEVER ACRES IT'S A SMALL PLOT OF LAND COMPARED TO CHASKA OR COMPARED TO JORDAN OR ANY OF THE SCHOOLS OR EVEN THE DINAH. I THINK OVER 120 OR SOMETHING. I MEAN THINK THE ACREAGE AND THINK ABOUT THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE I ALTHOUGH MY DAD'S IS NOT GOING TO LIVE FOREVER BUT I'M REALLY OF THEM FOR YOU KNOW I'VE NEVER SEEN THEM IN FRONT OF THE BOARD OR IN A COMMISSION AND HE ONLY GOT 3 MINUTES AND I'M KIND OFSHAMED BY THE CITY PLANNING I MEAN I KNOW YOU HAVE RULES. YOU GOT FOLLOW THEM BUT THIS IS A CITY ATTORNEY FOR CREATOR CRYING OUT LOUD AND I MEAN I WOULD GIVE HIM FIVE OR TEN BUT HE'S GOING TO DO IT IN WRITING . EVERYTHING IS IN WRITING AS A LAWYER, YOU KNOW. BUT I'M GOING TO GIVE BACK MY 20 SECONDS AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH . MY NAME IS DEBBIE JACOBSON AND I'M REPRESENTING MY MOTHER. E'S 96 YEARS OLD AS OF NOVEMBER THIS YEAR AND I ONLY FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS ONE WEEK AGO AND IT REALLY CONCERNED MY MOTHER. IT REALLY CONCERNED ME BECAUSE WE'VE LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD 70 YEARS A LOT OF TIME I GO BACK TO ABE LINCOLN. WHAT IS RIGHT IS RIGHT. WHAT IS WRONG? WRONG IT IT IT IT'S SETTLED YOU SPEAK OF 6 MINUTES OF NOISE BEING THE IN MCP STANDARD. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE TIME LIMIT THAT YOU GAVE WHICH WAS 120 DAYS BECAUSE IF YOU DO NOTHING WITH INACTIVITY IT'S A PASS, IT'S A GOAL AND THAT'S WRONG. I'VE KNOWN ABOUT IT ONE WEEK IT SEEMS SO WRONG. THE REASON WHY MTA IS CALLED THE INITIALS IS BECAUSE IT'S POLLUTION. YOU CAN'T PUT LIGHT IN A BOTTLE AND YOU CAN'T PUT NOISE IN A BOTTLE. IT IS IT IS IT'S A REAL SUBSTANCE AND IT AFFECTS PEOPLE. IF I WERE TO GO O BY ONE BY ONE BY ONE AND SAY IF YOU WANT YOUR HOUSE NEXT DOOR TO THE FIELD THAT PERFORMS ALL THE MUSIC WITH A LITTLE BABY, A GRANDCHILD A YOUNG DAUGHTER, A MOTHER A FATHER WHO IS ELDERLY SICK INCAPACITATED WHAT WOULD YOUR WHAT WOULD YOUR ANSWER BE? YES OR NO? IT'S WRONG THAT SUIT X MY NAME IS CHRISTINE MYERS. I HAVE BEEN A BLOOMINGTON RESIDENT FOR ALL OF MY 48 YEARS. I AM A JEFFERSON GRADUATE AS OF THE SPRING 30 YEARS AGO I NOW HAVE A STUDENT TO SAY DAUGHTERS WHO PARTICIPATE IN TRACK AND FIELD AND IN SOCCER FOR JEFFERSON I WILL SAY AS A BLOOMINGTON SCHOOLS GRADUATE I'M EXTREMELY PROUD OF THE EDUCATION I RECEIVED IN THE BLOOMINGTON. I'M EXTREMELY PROUD OF THE EDUCATION MY DAUGHTERS HAVE RECEIVED. WHAT I AM NOT PROUD OF IS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A TRACK BEING RESURFACED IN AN ARTIFICIAL TURF IN FIELD. THE FACILITY IS A JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL AND THE ADDITION OF THE ACTIVITIES BUILDING LOOK IDENTICAL TO WHEN I GRADUATED FROM JEFFERSON IN 1994. I'M ALSO NOT PROUD OF WHEN MY DAUGHTER WHO RAN CROSS EARTH TRACK FOR OAK GROVE MIDDLE SCHOOL HAD A TRACK MEET AT JEFFERSON LAST SPRING AND PEOPLE WERE SITTING ON THE GROUND. PEOPLE WHO COULDN'T ACCESS THE GROUND WERE QUITE A DISTANCE FROM THE TRACK. AND SO AGAIN AS SOMEONE ELSE MENTIONED CAN'T EVEN BARELY SEE THEIR CHILD OR GRANDCHILD PARTICIPATE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T ACCESS THE FACILITIES DUE TO HAVING CHILDREN WHO PARTICIPATE IN ATHLETICS AND RELATIVES IN OUTSTATE MINNESOTA WHO PARTICIPATE IN ATHLETICS. OUR FACILITIES AT JEFFERSON THE MOST LACKING OF THE MANY, MANY MANY I HAVE SEEN AND SO THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THESE STUDENTS AND AGAIN TO DRAW FAMILIES, TO DRAW PARTICIPATION, TO DRAW A COMMUNITY SPIRIT TO HAVE THIS FACILITIES RIGHT AT THE SCHOOL I THINK IS ESSENTIAL AND AS SOMEONE WHO RETURNS TO THE FACILITIES 30 YEARS AFTER I GRADUATED AND SEEING BASICALLY THE SAME THING WHEN I SEE QUITE EXTENSIVE FACILITIES EVERY OTHER SCHOOL I HAVE BEEN TO IS DISAPPOINTING SO ENCOURAGE THE I ENCOURAGE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO FULLY SUPPORT THIS ENDEAVOR . GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS MAUREEN GRAY. I'VE LIVED IN BLOOMINGTON FOR OVER 20 YEARS. I HAVE FOUR KIDS IN BLOOMINGTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS INCLUDING, TWO AT HILLCREST ELEMENTARY AND TWO AT KENNEDY HIGH SCHOOL. I HAVE TWO SORT OF ANECDOTAL THINGS TO OFFER THAT SPEAK TO SOME OF THE OTHER SPEAKERS AND QUESTIONS OF COMMISSION. I WAS RECENTLY AT A TRACK MEET AT ANTHONY VILLAGE WHICH IF YOU KNOW WHERE IT IS IT'S LIKE A TINY PART NESTLED IN MINNEAPOLIS THEY HAVE HOMES RIGHT UP NEXT TO THEIR TRACK AND THEY HAVE A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN HAVE A HOT HOT DOG OF AN ACTUAL REAL BUILDING THAT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS BUILT WITHIN THE LAST DECADE. THEY DON'T HAVE A BIG PROPERTY BASE. THEY DON'T HAVE AS MANY RESIDENTS AS WE DO. THEY DON'T THE SAME ENROLLMENT THAT WE DO IN OUR HIGH SCHOOLS AND THERE THEY'RE THERE IN OUR CONFERENCE AND I'M A LITTLE SPICY ABOUT IT BECAUSE ONE OF THEIR KIDS WAS THE ONLY KID THAT BEAT MY DAUGHTER AT CONFERENCE. BUT WE CAN GET PAST THAT ANYHOW. SO THAT SPEAKS TO WHAT DO OTHER CITIES DO WHEN HOMES ARE RIGHT NEXT TO THEIR STADIUM? THEY HAVE SPEAKERS. THEY HAVE LIGHTS THAT TRACK ME TO KNOCK IT DOWN UNTIL I'M SAYING 9 P.M.. IT WAS A LOT LIKE YOU GUYS THEY STANCE SO THE SECOND ANECDOTAL THING THAT I HAVE TO OFFER IS THAT WE RECENTLY TO HOST WELL WE RECENTLY HOSTED A TRACK MEET THIS SPRING THE FIRST TIME I THINK IN EIGHT OR NINE YEARS AND WE DIDN'T HAVE A PLACE TO HAVE OUR CONCESSIONS THE CITY CODE REQUIRES FOLKS THAT WANT TO SELL FOOD IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON TO HAVE A PERMIT TO DO THAT WHICH IS VERY REASONABLE AND PROTECTS THE PUBLIC GOOD IN A WAY I THINK IS POSITIVE INCLUDED IN THAT PERMIT YOU HAVE TO DESCRIBE HOW YOU WILL PROVIDE THE FOOD IN A COVERED LOCATION THE CITY CODE PEOPLE SELLING FOOD TO SELL FOOD A COVERED LOCATION THAT IS NOT CURRENTLY POSSIBLE AT KENNEDY HIGH SCHOOL OR JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL BECAUSE THERE IS NO BUILDING CONCESSIONS. WE ATTEMPTED TO REMEDY THAT AND TO SATISFY OUR PERMIT REQUIREMENTS BY PROVIDING A TENT. I THINK THERE WAS A POSSIBLE TORNADO WARNING THAT DAY FOR OUR EVENT AND SO OUR TENT BECAME A HAZARD. SO WE TOOK IT DOWN AND YOU KNOW, WE CARRIED ON. WE TRIED TO WEIGH IT DOWN. WE TRIED TO TIE IT TO THE FENCE IT REALLY WAS JUST GOING TO PROBABLY KILL SOMEONE IF WE LEFT IT STANDING. SO THAT'S JUST A SMALL WINDOW INTO NOT JUST NOISE AND STANDS AND ACCESSIBILITY BUT EVEN SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS BEING ABLE TO OFFER A HOT HOT DOG IS A COMPARISON. IT JUST FEELS KIND OF JANKY IF YOU CAN'T SELL SOMETHING MORE THAN DORITOS AND GATORADE AT YOUR TRACK ME HI MY NAME IS DOUG HERZOG. I'M ALSO A GRADUATE OF JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL COMING UP ON MY 40TH CLASS REUNION THIS YEAR ALL MY KIDS ALL MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS HAVE GONE TO JEFFERSON I'M NOT ANTI JEFFERSON OR SCHOOLS WHAT I AM GOBSMACKED LIVING IN THIS CITY FOR 57 YEARS THAT WE WERE NOTIFIED ONLY A WEEK BEFORE THE FINAL FINAL HEARING THAT JUST SEEMED AND HOW CAN IT BE DONE AND THEN WATCHING ALL THE QUESTIONS BACK AND FORTH AND ALL THE ANSWERS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN ANSWERED, IT'S LIKE DO WE REALLY THINK THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE A SUCCESS MET WITH ERIC AND ERIC I'M DISAPPOINTED IN YOU BECAUSE WE TALKED THE SCHOOL AND THE DISTRICT ABOUT WOULD IT BE USED FOR OTHER OTHER THINGS AND THEY SAID NO WE HAVE NO PLANS. HE GOES I'M THE NEXT SUPERINTENDENT FOR FOUR YEARS I HAVE NO INTEREST IN THAT AT ALL AND NOW WE'RE FINDING OUT IT ISN'T SO WE WERE LIKE WELL YOU KNOW IF YOU GOT FOOTBALL YOU GOT TRACK, YOU'RE LIKE MAYBE 1618 EVENTS A YEAR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF BEEN AROUND JEFFERSON WHEN THEY THEY HAVE DANCE COMPETITIONS AND ALL THAT IT WAS HAPPENING A LOT BEFORE THE PANDEMIC THE TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING IS CRAZY NOW IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SPORTING EVENTS AND YOU GOT TO BE LESS THAN 6 MINUTES FOR THE NOISE RIGHT THAT'S GOING TO CONTINUE ON LONGER AND LONGER THAN THAT. AND I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THAT WILL AFFECT PROPERTY VALUES IN OF WHAT SOMEBODY ELSE SAID TODAY THAT WILL AFFECT PROPERTY VALUES. SO JUST HOW THIS WHOLE THING WAS HANDLED I'M JUST VERY DISAPPOINTED AS A BLOOMINGTON RESIDENT AND I WOULD HOPE YOU WOULD TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE LOOKS EACH ONE OF YOUR FACES AS EVERYBODY WAS GOING OVER THESE ITEMS THAT HAVE NOT IRONED OUT YET. ARE WE REALLY DOING THIS NIGHT ? IS THIS REALLY WHERE WE'RE AT? I HOPE THAT'S NOT HOW YOU GUYS IS AS A PLANNING COMMISSION SO THAT'LL PASS . IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE CHAMBERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE JEFFERSON APPLICATION? YOU MAY COME FORWARD IF YOU'D LIKE ANOTHER 3 MINUTES TO 3 MINUTES WHEN I SENT THE WHEN I SENT THE THING AROUND TO THE PEOPLE WHO WERE AFFECTED BY THIS AT LEAST ACCORDING TO THE CITY WHEN I SENT THAT OUT I THEY ASKED ME WHY I DIDN'T SIGN MY NAME TO IT AND I SAID WHEN YOU'RE 90 YEARS OLD, WHEN YOU SIGN YOUR NAME YOU NEVER KNOW WHETHER IT'S THE THE INK IS GOING TO BE DRY AND WHEN AND YOU'LL STILL BE AROUND. BUT ANYWAY I THINK THE ATTORNEY OUGHT TO HEAR THIS IF YOU USE IF YOU WHAT THEY CALL THE THAT METHOD TO TRY TO DETERMINE YOU MEET THE SOUND REQUIREMENTS WHICH HAVE DONE WHICH THIS ARCHITECT HAS DONE IF YOU DO THAT THEN WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO IS HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF WHEN YOU START GETTING WHEN YOU START GETTING A MISDEMEANOR COMPLAINT AGAINST THE SCHOOL, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DECIDE THEN WHAT ARE THEY WHAT STANDARD ARE THEY GOING TO USE? ARE YOU GOING TO USE WHAT PEOPLE HEAR OR THEY'RE GOING TO USE SOME SORT OF METHODOLOGY THAT HAS BEEN CREATED BY SOMEONE? AND I CAN TELL YOU THIS I KNOW WHEN I TELL THEM I TELL THEM YOU'RE NOT EVER GOING TO YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO CONVICT OF A MISDEMEANOR FOR MAKING NOISE IF YOU HAVE TWO STANDARDS AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT AS A LAWYER I'M NOT A LAWYER ANYMORE I HAVEN'T I HAVEN'T BEEN A LAWYER 27 YEARS AND I FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT. BUT I TAUGHT LAW SCHOOL AND I TAUGHT LAND USE LAW AND I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING QUITE LIKE THIS ON I USED BE A CITY ATTORNEY AND I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIK THIS WHERE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO SQUEE THAT THAT THAT PLACE INTO OUR STADIUM AREA WHY 51 YEARS OF MY LIVING THERE DIDN'T THEY TRY TO PUT LIGHTS IN OR HOW NOISY WHY DIDN'T THEY? THE REASON THEY DIDN'T IS THAT THEY BECAUSE THEY WERE TOO CLOSE TO THE HOUSES THE HOUSES THAT ARE THAT ARE ACROSS THE STREET FROM US AND AND IN OUR CIRCLE WERE WERE BUILT IN 1966 THE SCHOOL DIDN'T OPEN UNTIL 1971 AND LET ME TELL YOU IF THEY WANTED A BUDGET IF THEY WANT A BUDGET FOR THIS STUFF THEY COULD JUST AS WELL HAVE BUDGETED FOR LINCOLN AND TAKEN CARE OF THE STANDS OVER THERE BUT THEY SAY THE STANDS ARE RUN DOWN THAT'S BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T BUDGET IT AND I DON'T KNOW WHY WE HAVE TO PAY THE PRICE BUT WILL TELL YOU THIS THAT THERE DOGGONE WELL MAY BE SOME REALLY REALLY BIG LAWSUITS OVER THIS . HI MY NAME IS DANA BASSETT I HAVE ONE KID IN JEFFERSON AND ONE KID AT WILSON. I'VE BEEN A BLOOMINGTON RESIDENT FOR 23 YEARS. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT A OF THIS MY BACKGROUND IS IN CONTINUOUS AND SO THE ISSUES THAT ARE COMING UP IS SOMETHING THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN SOLVED OR ALREADY DEALT WITH TODAY. SO WE CURRENTLY ALREADY HAVE A STADIUM IN BLOOMINGTON SO OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SOME WAY TO GET AROUND THE SOUND VARIANCES THAT OCCUR TODAY. ALSO THE MARCHING BAND WHETHER WE HAVE A STADIUM OR NOT CURRENTLY PRACTICES ON OLSON AND JEFFERSON GROUNDS NONSTOP SO. I DON'T SEE THAT THERE ISN'T ANY WAY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. IT'S ALREADY THINGS THAT WE'VE DEALT WITH IN BLOOMINGTON AND IT'S A WAY TO INVEST IN OUR SCHOOLS AND OUR COMMUNITY GOING FORWARD. THANK YOU . ANYONE ELSE IN THE CHAMBERS WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE JEFFERSON PROPOSAL ? UM, I'M DIANE MALACHY. I'M A UH SINCE 1966 OF BLOOMINGTON AND IT HAS BEEN A WONDERFUL PLACE TO LIVE. UM, YOU HAVE DONE MANY THINGS RIGHT IN BLOOMINGTON FOR ALL OF US IN THIS CASE. UH, WE HAVE EXPERI NEGOTIATION BEFORE WITH JEFFERSON BECAUSE OUR PROPERTY IS ADJACENT TO THE TENNIS COURTS AND AS A RESULT OF THAT WE HAVE HAD TRAFFIC PROBLEMS, WE HAVE HAD DEBRIS PROBLEMS, WE HAVE AN INVASION OF GRASSY WHERE PEOPLE CAN PARK WHEREVER THEY FEEL LIKE IT BECAUSE IF YOU MADE IT TO SCHOOL BECAME A REGIONAL CENTER WHEN IT BECAME A REGIONAL CENTER PEOPLE CAME IN FROM EVERYWHERE AND. THAT'S WHAT WE ARE REALLY BASICALLY CONCERNED ABOUT RIGHT NOW IS THAT YOU DON'T DO THAT TO THIS RESIDENTIAL AREA . THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL AREA. YOU LOOK AT HERITAGE HILLS DRIVE AND HERITAGE HILLS IS SITTING RIGHT NEXT TO JEFFERSON FIELD. THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE PERHAPS LIGHTS AND SOUND AND EVERYTHING IN THEIR BEDROOMS. I DON'T WISH TO SAY ANYTHING AGAINST JEFFERSON. MY KIDS WENT TO JEFFERSON. THEY GOT A WONDERFUL EDUCATION THROUGH JEFFERSON. WE ARE PROUD OF JEFFERSON AND THERE IS NOBODY IN THIS GROUP THAT WISHES THEM NOT TO HAVE A FOOTBALL STADIUM BUT YOU'VE GOT TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS THAT REVOLVE THIS RESIDENTIAL AREA BEFORE YOU GO FORWARD. THANK YOU , DOUG HERZOG AGAIN ONE LAST QUESTION, ERIC. YOU GIVE THEM NOTES ABOUT OUR MEETING WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT SIX PROPOSALS THAT IF WE WOULD HAVE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE THIS EVEN HAPPENED, LOT OF THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED. DID YOU PROVIDE THAT TO THEM AT ALL? THIS IS A TIME FOR THE OH I'M SORRY MISSION. YEAH, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THOSE NOTES HAD MADE IT TO YOU GUYS THAT IT WAS ONLY GOING TO BE FOR JEFFERSON PURPOSES. THE COMMISSION HAS AGAIN IT'S ON A QUESTION AND ANSWER SESSION. THE COMMISSION HAS TO THE SAME INFORMATION THE PUBLIC HAS IN THE IN THE PACKET. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I GUESS I DON'T KNOW HOW I CAN MAKE THAT PUBLIC INFORMATION BUT AGAIN WE ARE PRO JEFFERSON AND SPORTS IT'S WHEN YOU MAKE IT A REGIONAL THING AND IT'S HAPPENING EVERY THAT BECOMES THE PROBLEM AND THEN THAT LOWERS THE PROPERTY VALUE. ANYONE ELSE IN THE CHAMBER WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK THIS ITEM . YEAH THANK. ALL RIGHT. MY NAME DON. I'M ERIC MELBY ON THE SUPERINTENDENT FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND YES, DID MEET WITH SOME FOLKS FROM JOHNSON CIRCLE, DOUG INCLUDED AND. THE QUESTION WAS BROUGHT UP ABOUT WEEKEND EVENTS AND PAST THAT HAVE HAPPENED I THINK YEARS AGO AT JEFFERSON THAT HAD A LOT OF FOLKS COMING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I DID SAY THAT WE DON'T HAVE AN INTEREST AS A SCHOOL DISTRICT IN HOSTING WEEKEND EVENTS. THE ONLY TIME I SEE A SUPERINTENDENT AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER BY CHAD MAYBE OR SOMEBODY IF WE HAD TO HAVE A NEUTRAL SITE FOOTBALL GAME BECAUSE OF STATE HIGH SCHOOL ACTIVITY RULES THAT THAT WOULD BE THE TIME BUT REALLY IT'S PROBABLY OR FIVE FRIDAYS IN THE FALL THAT WE WOULD HAVE GOING ON INTO THE EVENING AT THE STADIUM. SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT WHEREVER DOUG WENT YEP. THAT TOPIC AND IF I'M CONTRADICTING THE APPLICATION I APOLOGIZE. BUT I'M TELLING YOU AS A SUPERINTENDENT I DON'T HAVE AN INTEREST IN LEASING OUT THE SPACE ON THE WEEKENDS TO TO EVENTS AND I'M HONEST WHEN I SAY THAT SO OTHER THAN OUR FOOTBALL AND THE OTHER EVENTS THAT YOU HEARD CHAD AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD THE STADIUM FOR. THANK YOU AND ANYONE ELSE IN THE CHAMBERS BUT SEE WE DO HAVE TWO PEOPLE ONLINE THE THREE MAYBE TWO OR THREE WOULD THE PLANNING MANAGER CHECK SEE IF THEY ARE FOR THIS ITEM OR FOR A DIFFERENT ITEM? YES DAMIEN ERICKSON I WILL AND YOU TOO NOW TO SEE IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TESTIFY. DAMIEN ERICKSON ARE YOU ONLINE TO TESTIFY ON THE JEFFERSON APPLICATION? WE'RE HAVING SOME MEDIA ALBUMS THERE WHEN I UNMUTE YOU MUTE AGAIN SO I'M GUESSING THAT'S A NO IN TERMS OF TESTIFYING. OKAY. I GUESS WE'LL TRY ANOTHER ONE AS I CAN AS INES, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM? I GUESS. OH. KEN ENNIS, BLOOMINGTON RESIDENT LIVING IN THE AREA RIGHT NEXT TO THE HIGH SCHOOL I HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR THE HIGH SCHOOL AND WHAT THEY'VE BEEN TO PROVIDE FOR MY CHILDREN. I'VE HAD A THEY'VE ALL GONE TO SCHOOL THERE GRADUATED AND GONE ON TO GREAT THINGS SPORTS AND HAVE DONE EXTREMELY WELL AND I CAN'T SAY ENOUGH ABOUT THE HIGH SCHOOL AND THE COMMUNITY AND EVERYTHING ELSE AROUND IT. I WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND ABOUT THE BAND. I KNOW THERE'S BAND MEMBERS IN HERE AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE THE BAND MUSIC THAT YOU DO PRESENT I, I HEAR IT QUITE WELL IN MY LIVING ROOM IN THE EVENINGS, IN THE AFTERNOONS AND SOMETIMES EVEN REVEL IN IT YOU KNOW I DON'T MIND SO MUCH BUT IT IS LOUD I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW I DO HEAR YOU AND I DON'T COLAIN BECAUSE YOU KNOW MY SON WAS IN THE BAND SO YOU KNOW I GET THAT BUT I LOOK AT THAT I LOOK AT THAT PICTURE RIGHT THERE. I LOOK AT WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING THE STADIUM AND I LOOK AT THE GEOGRAPHY. THERE'S JUST NOT THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF ROOM TO PUT A STADIUM THERE. IT'S JUST TOO CRAMPED TO HAVE STADIUM THAT'S FULLY LIT THAT HAS EVENTS GOING ON THAT'S THE PROBLEM IT'S IT'S NOT THAT IT'S NICE SET UP THAT COULD POTENTIALLY GROW INTO A NICE STADIUM THE PARKING IS NOT AVAILABLE YOU PEOPLE EVEN WITH THE HANDICAPS AND CAPABILITIES WOULD HAVE TO COME IN FROM DISTANCES EVEN TO ENJOY THE EVENT. YOU KNOW THERE'S NO NOTHING AROUND TO FACILITATE THAT. IT'S JUST IN THE WRONG AREA. IT'S IT'S IT'S JUST IT'S A GOOD PRACTICE AREA. IT'S A GOOD SMALL AREA, YOU KNOW, FOR FOR SCHOOLS, FACILITIES AND EVENTS AND I AGREE WITH THAT. YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THAT BUILDING IT UP TO BEING A BIGGER AREA AND HAVING MORE OF A CRAMMED INTO THAT FACILITY MORE LIGHTS, MORE SOUNDS, MORE TRAFFIC IS JUST GOING TO CREATE A PROBLEM A BIGGER PROBLEM THAN YOU ALREADY HAVE WITH JUST THE SMALL EVENTS THAT YOU HAVE WE ALREADY HAVE FACILITIES IN PLACE THAT JUST NEED TO BE MAINTAINED AND UPDATED ACCOMMODATE THESE EVENTS. WHY ARE WE GOING DOWN THIS PATH? I ASKED THAT QUESTION. I ASK ALL OF YOU THAT QUESTION . SO WITH THAT SAID I'M GOING TO HAND BACK 54 SECONDS OF MY TIME. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME LIKE. I SAID I PUT A COUPLE OF THINGS UP THERE ON THE BOARD. DID WE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT LIGHT? DID WE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT REFRACTED SOUND? YOU KNOW WE GOT A BIG WALL ON THE SIDE OF THAT RECREATION CENTER THAT'S GOING TO CREATE A LOT OF REFLECTS AND REFLECTION OF LIGHT AND REFLECTION OF SOUND. YOU KNOW, THERE'S GOING TO BE LOT OF INVASION INTO THE COMMUNITY ALREADY THAT'S THERE. WE GOT A HUGE THREE STORY CONDOMINIUM COMPLEX OVER THERE THAT DOESN'T EVEN KNOW PROBABLY THEY'RE GOING TO BE BOMBARDED WITH LIGHT FROM THOSE EVENTS IN THE EVENINGS. FOOD FOR THOUGHT THANK YOU . ANYONE ELSE ON THE JEFFERSON APPLICATION SEEING THAT I WOULD A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING QUESTION COOKED IN A MOVE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SECOND THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING SAY I ALTHOUGH I DID REMIND WHAT WAS THE. I THINK WE SHOULD WAIT WE DO THAT TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHAT THE NEXT STEP IS BEFORE WE MAYBE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE YOU MAY WANT TO CONTINUE WE COULD THE PUBLIC HEARING CORRECT? I WOULDN'T CLOSE IT I WOULD KEEP IT OPEN UNTIL NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING THAT'S WHAT MY ADVICE BE SO OKAY I WILL GO WITH THAT. YEAH BECAUSE YOU HAVE YOU HAVE KIND OF A FORK IN THE ROAD AFTER THIS RIGHT. SO THERE THERE'S A COUPLE OF OPTIONS WE CAN GO I NOT WANT TO SEE THE PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED BECAUSE CLOSING IT WOULD MAKE US REOPEN IT HAVE TO DO ANOTHER NOTICE IF YOU ANNOUNCED THE TIME, DATE AND PLACE OF THE HEARING ON THE RECORD TONIGHT WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT. SO EVEN IF WE REOPEN MEETING LAW YEAH SO SO I WOULD THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND YEAH I'M SORRY TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING THEY WOULD LIKE TO RESCIND THE MOTION, MR. SHERMAN, TO WITHHOLD MY RIGHT TO REOPEN THE MOTION. BUT FOR NOW I'LL TABLE THAT MOTION. OKAY. SO OKAY, THIS IS A LITTLE OUT OF OUR USUAL ORDER SO. TYPICALLY IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING MOVE INTO DISCUSSION. WE WILL THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL REMAIN OPEN FOR THE TIME BEING AND I GUESS WE WILL MOVE INTO DISCUSSION I THINK CHAIR ROHMAN IF WE COULD LIMIT THIS TO KIND OF NEXT STEPS FIRST WITHOUT A DISCUSSION ON THE MERITS WE'LL FIGURE OUT KIND WHERE WE WANTO GO FROM HERE PROCEDURE WISE LET'S D THAT FIT MAYBE SO I GOING T TR TO STEP SLOWLY AND I WILL LOOK FOR ADVICE IF IF I SHOULD WALK MORE SLOWLY. OKAY. I THINK AS I MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING, THIS IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COMMISSION BUT ALSO FOR THOSE WHO ARE HERE ARE LISTENING OR WATCHING THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S ROLE ON ANY APPLICATION AND THIS APPLICATION SPECIFIC IS DOES IT OR CAN WE CAN WE MAKE THE REQUIRED FINDINGS IN ORDER TO APPROVE IT WHETHER I OR ANY OF US ON COMMISSION THINK THAT THIS IS THE BEST IDEA WE'VE EVER HEARD OR THE WORST IDEA WE EVER IS IRRELEVANT TO THE SUBJECT FROM A PLANNING COMMISSION. OUR JOB IS TO SAY HERE ARE THE REQUIRED FINDINGS EITHER FIND THAT THEY ARE MET OR THEY ARE NOT MET SO AS WE THINK ABOUT NEXT STEPS THAT'S THE QUESTION THE QUESTION I BELIEVE THAT IS OPEN FOR US IS CAN THE FINDING AROUND NOISE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER BE MET EITHER BEFORE THE AGENCY DEADLINE OR IN A PROCESS PROCESS OUTLINE? WE ARE CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN MAKE A FINDING WITH A CONDITION THAT IT CAN BE MET IN ORDER TO GRANT APPROVAL. I THINK THAT'S PERHAPS THE BIGGEST QUESTION RIGHT NOW. YEAH CHAIR ROHMAN COMMISSIONERS I THINK THE QUESTION WE NEED TO ANSWER IS DO STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS TO GET SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THE NOISE STANDARDS. I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA FROM WHERE I SIT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW I WOULD WANT CHECK INTO WHAT WHAT'S THE VARIANCE PROCESS IS A VARIANCE REQUIRED WE DON'T HAVE SUFFICIENT INFORMATION TO KIND OF HAVE A JUMPING POINT SO TO SPEAK OF WHAT TO EXPECT NEXT. SO I WOULD BE ADVISING A CONTINUANCE WITH THE STAFF MOTION TO NEXT TIME COULD HOLD OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING SO EVERYONE CAN COME BACK AND HAVE A CHANCE TO TESTIFY AGAIN SO ANYTHING THEY MAY TALK ABOUT NOISE BECAUSE WELL HOPEFULLY HAVE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT NOISE AT THAT TIME SO THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDED COURSE OF ACTION IF NOT WE'D HAVE TO SEE WHAT YOU WANT TO DO ABOUT THE APPLICATION BUT THOUGHTS FROM THE COMMISSION ON THIS SPECIFIC ASPECT OF THE CONVERSATION? COMMISSIONER GOLTZMAN I THINK I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ADD IS THAT WE HAVE STAFF DO SOME RESEARCH INTO HOW OTHER CITIES HAVE WORKED WITH THE MPAA AND THE NOISE I THINK THAT WE'RE NOT UNIQUE BY ANY MEANS OF OF HAVING A NEED FOR A STADIUM AND SO I WOULD ASK STAFF TO DO MORE RESEARCH BY THE STATE ON THE CONTINUANCE COMMISSIONER COOKED IN THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. WHAT I'M NOT CLEAR ABOUT AND I DON'T MEAN THIS TO BE SMUG I WHAT I'M NOT CLEAR ABOUT IS WHAT IS DIFFERENT ON NOVEMBER 21ST THAT TODAY WHAT WELL HOW DO WE HOPE THIS IS DIFFERENT IN THREE WEEKS THAN TODAY? I DON'T KNOW IF THE STAFF HAVE THOUGHTS ON THAT. SURE. I'M JEROME AND COMMISSIONER COOKED IN WHAT BE DIFFERENT ON NOVEMBER 30TH IF THIS WERE CONTINUED I THINK THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WILL HAVE MADE A DECISION AS THE APPLICANT TO PURSUE THE VARIANCE PROCESS THAT'S ONE ROUTE OR WHETHER TO SUBMIT A NOISE THAT WOULD DEMONSTRATE COMPLIANCE WHEN WE THINK THERE COULD BE A NOISE STUDY THAT DOES THAT. THE TESTIMONY WE HAVE TONIGHT IS THAT THE BAND ITSELF MAY NOT THAT BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE STUDY DONE YET. I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS BEEN PREPARED AND THAT'S DEFINITIVE OR N BUT BY NOVEMBER 30TH I THINK WE WOULD HAVE THAT ANSWER WHICH ROUTE THEY WOULD PLAN TO PURSUE. OKAY, COMMISSIONER GOLTZMAN, THANK YOU. JUST A QUESTION I AND THIS WAS BROUGHT UP BY RESIDENTS AS WELL AS THE CURRENT CONDITION AT THE LINCOLN SITE IS IN THEORY NON I THINK THAT THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE THIS APPLICATION THIS APPLICATION IS SPECIFICALLY THIS SITE AND THIS PROJECT AND THERE ARE PROBABLY A NUMBER OF VARIABLES ABOUT THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR EVER. YEAH. WHERE THINGS HAVE CHANGED I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO FOCUS FOCUS ON THE SPECIFIC APPLICATION COMMISSIONER CURRY, THE CHAIR AND PAGE FOUR OF THE APPLICATION AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE IT SAYS REGARDING THE NOISE STUDY WAS PROVIDED AND MAYBE I NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT OF THE SENTENCE SPECIFICALLY SAYS THE INFORMATION PROVIDED IS BASED ON PEAK LEVELS RATHER THAN THE L 50 AND IL TEN LEVELS THE STANDARDS BASED ON DID THE APPLICANT PROVIDE A STUDY USING THE WRONG LEVELS AM I READING THAT INCORRECTLY JEROME AND COMMISSIONER THE I DON'T THINK READING IT INCORRECTLY THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT WAS BASED ON WAS BASED ON PEAK LEVELS AS IT SAID AND WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY ANALYSIS AS IT RELATES TO THE OTHER 50 OTHER L10 STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE IN CITY CODE . SO I MEAN THE STATUTE IS BASED ON L 50 AND L TEN PEAK LEVELS . OKAY. YEAH. CHURCH COMMISSIONER CURRY PEAK PEAK IS HERE L TEN IS GOING TO BE BELOW THAT AN L 50 BELOW THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE L TEN AND 15 LEVELS ARE. OUR STANDARDS ARE BASED ON L TEN AND L 50 AND NOT ON PEAK. SO THAT WOULD BE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE SEEKING TO DETERMINE CODE COMPLIANCE. SO CONCEIVABLY THE APPLICANT'S STUDY USING THOSE LEVELS WOULD AT A LOWER DECIMAL TO ROHMAN COMMISSIONER CURRY IT WOULD CERTAINLY BE LOWER THAN THE PEAK WHETHER OR NOT IT MEETS CODE WE DON'T KNOW. OKAY. SO I THINK CLEARLY WE'VE HAD THINGS COME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT WE HAVE NOT HAD ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE A DECISION AND WE HAVE USED THE TIME THAT STATE THE STATE STATUTE ALLOWS US IS THE 120 DAYS THE COMMISSION I THINK HAS FOUR MAYBE FIVE MORE MEETINGS IN TIME PERIOD SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY BUT GENERALLY WE HAVE ABOUT TWO OR THREE A MONTH AND SO WE THERE'S NOT A REQUIREMENT THAT WE ACT TODAY. HOWEVER WE COULD AND I THINK BASED ON THE INFORMATION WE HAVE I THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY PRODUCE A CERTAIN OUTCOME IF IT PRODUCED THAT OUTCOME THE APPLICANT HAS A RIGHT OF APPEAL OR ANYONE HAS A RIGHT OF APPEAL QUITE FRANKLY REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE OUTCOME IS. AND SO THE QUESTION IS THE THE TIMELINE THAT IS PROVIDED IN THE IN THE IN THE STATUTE FROM THE TIME WHEN THE APPLICATION WAS FORMALLY MADE WHICH WAS SEPTEMBER 6TH WAS WHEN THE APPLICATION WAS FORMALLY MADE TO THE CITY. THE 120 DAYS IS IS FOR THE PROCESS TO TO PROCEED AND FOR US TO GET ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE CAN GET ANSWERED ANSWERED. AND SO I THINK COMMISSIONER COOK TO HIS POINT EARLIER THAT WHETHER OR NOT THE BCA CAN BY WHATEVER MEETING WE HAVE BEFORE THE 4TH OF JANUARY MAY OR MAY NOT BE DIRECTLY RELEVANT BUT WE MAY ENOUGH INFORMATION TO KNOW THAT WHETHER OR NOT WE AS A AS A COMMISSION ARE CONFIDENT WITH AN MVC RESULT AS CONDITION OF APPROVAL OR THE STAFF MAY KNOW MORE ABOUT THAT PROCESS. THE STAFF MAY KNOW MORE ABOUT WHAT THAT INVOLVES. YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT IT'S HERE WHEN IT'S NOT READY THAT'S JUST MY OWN COMMENTS THAT'S NOT AN OFFICIAL POSITION OF THE COMMISSION BUT SO HERE WE ARE SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED A MOTION TO CONTINUE OR WHERE WE'RE AT. COMMISSIONER COTTON WELL I'M NOT THINKING MR. I'M NOT READY TO MAKE THAT MOTION YET I GUESS WHERE I'M SITTING THIS IS THAT THERE'S NO HARM OTHER THAN HAVING ALL THESE PEOPLE COME HERE TONIGHT AND NOT REACH CONCLUSION I DON'T FEEL GREAT ABOUT THAT. AM OTHER THAN THAT HARM THERE'S NOT A GREAT HARM IN HOLDING THIS OVER I AM SKEPTICAL THIS WILL REACH A RESOLUTION BY THE AGENCY ACTION DEADLINE BUT I THINK THAT'S IRRELEVANT. I THINK MAYBE WE WELL MAYBE IT WON'T AND WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE AND SO I DON'T THINK I SEE A HARM IN HOLDING THIS OVER AND SO I THINK I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THAT WELL I HAVE THE MICROPHONE I DO JUST WANT TO SAY THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO CAME OUT AND PROVIDED TESTIMONY THIS EVENING IT'S NICE TO SEE A FULL HOUSE FULL OF PEOPLE AND I'M ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE. IT'S JUST FINE WITH US. WE APPRECIATE ALL TESTIMONY WE HEARD THIS EVENING AND IT IS VERY INFORMATIVE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANKS TO THE PUBLIC FOR THAT THE. I THINK TO YOUR POINT THERE WILL BE RESOLUTION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER BEFORE THE DEADLINE . WE WE DON'T WE DO NOT NOT ACT I MEAN WE HAVE MULTIPLE MEETINGS AND WE WILL MAKE SOME TAKE SOME ACTION BEFORE THAT DEADLINE AND SO I WANT TO BE CLEAR BECAUSE I THINK SOME FOLKS ARE NOT AS STEEPED IN THE RIVETING NATURE OF PLANNING COMMISSION AS WE ARE, BUT WE WILL TAKECTION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER BEFORE THAT DEADLINE, IN WHICH CASE THE PROCESS THAT'S AVAILABLE TO EVERYBODY CONTINUES TO BE AVAILABLE. COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. A FEW THINGS THAT I WANT TO SAY TO START THIS IS A VERY AWKWARD SITUATION FEELS VERY AWKWARD AND PRIMARILY BECAUSE WHAT WE ARE CHARGED AS A PLANNING COMMISSION IS TO HEAR ALL THAT THE PUBLIC HAS TO SAY BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION OR WE VOTE ON ANYTHING AND GIVEN OUR CONVERSATION IT FEELS AS THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE INFORMATION TO SAY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER THOUGH YOU'VE ALL PROVIDED GREAT TESTIMONY AND I ECKERT ECHO COMMISSIONER COOKED INS SENTIMENT ABOUT I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER SEEN THIS MANY PEOPLE IN THE CHAMBERS OF MY FIVE YEARS ON THE COMMISSION BUT I IT FEELS AWKWARD IN THAT I DON'T LIKE WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO DO ANYTHING AND MY HANDS FEEL A BIT TIED BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT THE NOISE AND THE LIGHT POLLUTION ISSUES AND WE CAN'T DO THAT WITHOUT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. SO MY COMMENTS COMING TO A CLOSE I WILL SAY THAT I THINK THAT WE SHOULD HOLD OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CONTINUE THE ITEM AND THE INFORMATION THAT WE GET. HOPEFULLY BETWEEN NOW AND THEN IS ENCOURAGING TO BOTH OF PEOPLE WHO ARE VERY INTERESTED IN SEEING THE STADIUM AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN SEEING THE STADIUM BUT ALSO ARE INTERESTED IN PRESERVING THE SOUND AND THE LIGHT QUALITY OF THEIR OF THEIR PROPERTY. SO THAT BEING SAID, I DO SUPPORT HOLDING OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE COMMISSIONER KICKED IN . JUST A QUESTION FOR STAFF YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 120 DAY DEADLINE AND AND THIS IS JUST A HYPOTHETICAL IF WE WANTED TO MAXIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF TIME WE HAD TO THINK ABOUT THIS AND IT IS JUST 120 DAYS HAVE WE EVER CALLED A SPECIAL MEETING OR ANYTHING? NOT ON OUR CALENDAR. WHAT ARE OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE ON THAT. YEAH KNOW CHAIRMAN COMMISSIONER AND CAPTAIN I'M NOT AWARE OF THE COMMISSION HAVING CALLED A SPECIAL MEETING IN MY AND 28 YEARS THEORETICALLY THAT'S POSSIBLE WE WOULD NEED TO PROVIDE NOTICE TO DATE THAT YOU ARE CONTINUING THE ITEM YOU WOULD NEED PROVIDE NOTICE OF THE THE DATE YOU'RE CONTINUING IT TO AND THE LOCATION SO THAT SPECIAL MEETING WOULD NEED TO BE CREATED IN ADVANCE OF A CONTINUANCE. HOW LONG IN ADVANCE? TWO WEEKS. TEN DAYS. HOW LONG YOUR CHAIRMAN COMMISSIONER COOKED IN AT 72 HOURS FOR THAT WRITTEN NOTICE. YEAH SO YOU HAVE A MEETING ON A TIME OR DATE THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM YOUR REGULAR MEETING SCHEDULE. YOU HAVE TO DO A SPECIAL NOTICE IN THE OPEN MEETING LAW TO MAKE FOLKS OF THE MEETING SO YOU CAN'T DEVIATE SO YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT AGENDA AND STICK TO IT. YOU CAN'T GO OFF TOPIC BECAUSE IT'S A SPECIAL MEETING SO BUT THOSE ARE YOUR REQUIREMENTS VERY WELL AND I THINK WE DO HAVE YOU KNOW WE HAVE MEETINGS ALL THE WAY UP ON THE CALENDAR UNTIL SEPTEMBER OR DECEMBER 21ST. SO I THINK THERE ARE THERE ARE OPTIONS IN THERE. I THINK AT THIS POINT I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF SOMEONE'S INTERESTED. COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT IN CASE P.L. 2023-158I MOVE TO HOLD OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CONTINUE THE ITEM TO THE NOVEMBER 30TH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. SECOND, THE MOTION AND A SECOND ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION TO HOLD OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CONTINUE THIS ITEM TILL NOVEMBER 30TH? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I OPPOSED THE ITEM IS CONTINUED AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE STAFF TO WHEN WE'RE BACK ON THE 30TH ON THIS ITEM TO GIVE SOME THOUGHT TO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID HEAR FROM THOSE WHO PROVIDED TESTIMONY AND I THINK I KNOW THE PLANNING MANAGER WAS MAKING SOME NOTES WE HAD WE HEARD ABOUT THINGS ABOUT ASSURING A MEETING NOISE STANDARDS HOW OTHER CITIES HAVE DEALT WITH THE ISSUE POTENTIAL ENVIRONMENTAL AND USES FOR OTHER EVENTS AS FAR AS WHAT THOSE PARAMETERS COULD BE AROUND AT ALL OR WHATEVER THAT MAY BE. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE IN ADDITION TO OBVIOUS QUESTIONS WE HAVE ABOUT SOUND AND LIGHT AND WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC THAT WAS ANOTHER THAT'S ANOTHER BIG ONE I THINK THE THINGS THAT WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD GET SOME MORE INSIGHT ON THAT VERY BRIEF IS IT IS THERE A QUESTION ON PROCEDURE WHERE BECAUSE WE ARE THIS ITEM THIS ITEM HAS BEEN CONTINUED IT IS A MATTER OF PROCEDURE AND THAT A REQUEST THAT YOU NOT OBTAIN INFORMATION EXCEPT AT YOUR PUBLIC HEARING AND THAT THE INFORMATION IS MADE UP OF THE TESTIMONY THAT'S BEEN GIVEN TO THIS BOARD AT THIS HEARING AND IS FUTURE HEARING THAT YOU MAY HAVE BUT NOTHING IN BETWEEN. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THE CHICKEN ITEM ON THE AGENDA SORRY. YES, IF YOU COULD JUST FOR THE RECORD IF YOU MIGHT WOULD YOU SAY THAT WOULD YOU JUST SAY THE DATE TIME PLACE? YES. OF THE CONTINUED HEARING SO EVERYBODY'S CLEAR THE ITEM WHEN IT CONTINUED TO THE NOVEMBER 30TH MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHICH WILL TAKE PLACE IN CHAMBERS AT BLOOMINGTON CIVIC PLAZA AT 6 P.M.. THANK YOU. THE SECOND ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS AN APPLICATION FOR SAY AND BUILDING PLANS FOR A STADIUM SITE. IMPROVEMENTS AT KENNEDY HIGH SCHOOL. AND I WILL GIVE A FEW MOMENTS FOR ANYONE WHO DOES NOT WANT TO STAY FOR THE NEXT ITEM ON THE SECOND ITEM ON THE AGENDA AND AS I LOST MY NOTES HERE A SENIOR SENT AN AREA HAS THIS ONE AS WELL. THANK YOU GENTLEMEN. WE'RE MOVING ON TO THE KENNEDY HIGH SCHOOL ATHLETICS ON NICOLLET AVENUE. I'LL TRY TO BE BRIEF I DON'T WANT TO JUST REPEAT THINGS THAT WE'VE SAID BUT THERE ARE UNIQUE ELEMENTS THAT THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED HERE WE HAVE THE KENNEDY HIGH SCHOOL CAMPUS AGAIN OR WERE ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL AREAS BUT ALSO BOUND BY NICOLLET AVENUE AND HISTORIC ABBEY ROAD SOME OF THE BUSIER STREETS THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY BUT TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE EAST WE DO HAVE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AREAS AS WELL AS TO THE NORTH YOU CAN SEE THE OUTLINE THERE IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE. SO HERE'S A CAMPUS PLAN THAT PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT. SO KENNEDY IS IS MORE COMPACT IN TERMS OF HIS TOTAL AREA RELATIVE TO JEFFERSON AND. THAT HAS SOME ADVANTAGES. YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE WELL THERE'S NOT AS MANY PARKING STALLS AVAILABLE IT IS MORE CONVENIENT MORE STALLS THAT CLOSER TO THE STADIUM ITSELF AND YOU CAN SEE THE THE STALLS THAT ARE AVAILABLE ON THE SCREEN HERE IN THIS CASE WITH KENNEDY THE THE OCCUPANCY OR THE TOTAL OCCUPANCY OF THE BLEACHERS THE SAME ALTHOUGH IT'S ONLY ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE OF THE STADIUM AND WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED SO THE HOME AND THE BLEACHERS ARE ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE FIELD THERE JUST ISN'T ENOUGH ROOM TO LOCATE THE BLEACHERS ON THE EAST SIDE OF FIELD HERE'S JUST A SITE PLAN SIMILAR THE LAST APPLICATION SHOWING THE FIELD WHERE THE BLEACHERS WOULD BE LOCATED AND THEN THERE'S YOU CAN SEE THIRD AVENUE SOUTH IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST OF THE SITE SO WE'RE OBVIOUSLY VERY PAYING CLOSE ATTENTION TO LIGHTING AND NOISE RELATIVE TO THOSE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE EAST OF THIRD AVENUE AS WELL AS THE FOLKS THAT LIVE SOUTH OF EAST ABBEY ROAD BECAUSE THEY'RE POTENTIALLY THE MOST IMPACTED BY THOSE LIGHT AND NOISE CONCERNS. BUT WE'RE ALSO AGAIN WE'RE ALSO ALWAYS LOOKING AT PEDESTRIAN ACCOMMODATIONS, HOW PEOPLE ARE GOING TO TRAVERSE THE SITE, GET FROM SCHOOL TO THE STADIUM, FROM THE PARKING LOTS TO THE STADIUM, HOW THEY'RE GOING TO EXIT AND THERE'S A CPLE OCOGENT POINTS ISSUESHAT WE NEED ADDRESSED. ONE IS YOU CAN SEE THAT THE RED DASHED LINE IMMEDIATELY SOUTH OF THESE PARKING STALLS THERE WAS A SIDEWALK WAS IDENTIFIED AND THAT WOULD BE A VERY CONVENIENT SIDEWALK BETWEEN THE SCHOOL AND THE STADIUM PROBABLY THE MOST DIRECT BUT REALLY ISN'T IT ISN'T SUFFICIENTLY WIDE SO. THE MINIMUM CLEAR WIDTH FOR SIDEWALK IS FIVE FEET. HOWEVER THIS IS RIGHT ALONG A PARKING STALL AND SO WE NEED TO ACCOUNT FOR VEHICLE OVERHANG AND WHAT'S SHOWN HERE JUST ISN'T OF SUFFICIENT WIDTH BUT ALSO ISN'T DOESN'T CONNECT WITH THE ON THE WEST OF THAT DRIVEWAY SO THERE'S SOME PRETTY EASY PEDESTRIAN ACCOMMODATIONS THAT CAN BE IMPROVED THE GATE THE MAIN ENTRANCE WHERE MY CURSOR IS HERE SO STAFF HAVE FELT REALLY CRUNCHED AND WANT TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S ADEQUATE SPACE FOR PEDESTRIAN MOVEMENTS AND MAYBE EVEN CONSIDER REMOVING THOSE STALLS THAT ARE OUTLINED IN RED IF THAT'S GOING TO BE THE PRIMARY LIKE DROP OFF OR PICKUP LOCATION. SO THERE'S JUST SOME MORE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE FEEL SHOULD HAD RELATED TO THE TWO PERSON ACCOMMODATIONS. YOU KNOW, AGAIN STADIUM ENTRY SIGNAGE IS PROPOSED AGAIN THE SIGNAGE THAT YOU SEE ON THE TOP OF THE SCREEN, IT IS NOT PERMITTED TODAY BY CITY CODE . THE CITY WILL BE CONSIDERING CHANGES ITS SIGN ORDINANCE WHICH COULD ALLOW IN THE FUTURE AND THEN WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT CONCESSIONS BUILDINGS AND THERE IS ONE PROPOSED THAT YOU CAN SEE ALSO ON SCREEN. SO THE THE PARKING REQUIREMENT IS AGAIN BASED ON OCCUPANCY. SO AT 2500 OCCUPANTS THE PARKING FIRM IS 833. THERE'S 614 PARKING STALLS ON THE CAMPUS ITSELF. I'LL TOUCH ON THE STREET PARKING IN A MOMENT BUT WHAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS PROPOSING IS PROOF OF PARKING AND THERE WAS A PROOF OF PARKING PLAN THAT WAS PREPARED AGAIN THERE'S SOME CODE COMPLYING ISSUES THAT WE WILL BE IDENTIFYING IN TERMS OF HOW PARKING LOTS NEED TO BE DESIGNED BUT NONETHELESS PROOF OF PARKING IS A REAL LEGITIMATE OPTION FOR KENNEDY TO HAVE THE SPACE AND CERTAINLY FROM A CITY PERSPECTIVE WE DON'T WANT PARKING TO BE BUILT IF THEY'RE NOT NEEDED. SO WITH WE FEEL PROOF OF PARKING IS A GOOD OPTION FOR THIS FOR THIS APPLICATION SO TOUCHING ON STREET PARKING AGAIN WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT THE PARKING DEMAND CAN CAN ALWAYS BE MET ON SITE BUT FOR CONVENIENCE SAKE IT'S QUITE LIKELY FOR HOME GAMES THAT FOLKS WOULD PARK IN THE STREET AND THIRD AVENUE DOES HAVE STREET PARKING THAT THAT IS PERMITTED AFTER 2 P.M. SO THAT'S QUITE LIKELY GOING TO BE A RESOURCE FOR FOLKS IF THEY IF THEY DON'T WANT TO PARK IN SCHOOL PARKING LOT AS WELL AS SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO THE SOUTH OF USAGE I COULD BE IN HERE ON THE SCREEN IS JUST THAT PROOF OF PARKING DESIGN WE HAVE SOME DESIGN STANDARDS FOR PARKING LOTS THAT WE WOULD NEED TO WORK THROUGH BUT AGAIN THERE IS THE SPACE TO EXPAND THE PARKING IF GOING BACK TO THE NOI STANDARDS STANDARDS ARE THE SAME SO I WON'T DIG INTO THIS TOO MUCH BUT WE HAVE AN L 50 AND L TEN A REQUIREMENT THAT WE NEED TO CONFIRM COMPLIANT THAT THE SOUND SYSTEM IS CONSISTENT WITH THESE STANDARDS AND I WON'T REPEAT MYSELF HERE AND AGAIN YOU KNOW THERE'S WE JUST FEEL THAT THERE'S SOME SOME WORK TO BE DONE RELATED TO AND WE'RE WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT AND TRYING TO TO FIGURE THAT OUT LIGHTING THE LIGHTING SYSTEM IS IS THE SAME WE HAD ORIGINALLY HAD THIS ISSUE WITH THIS UPLIFT FIXTURE. THE APPLICANT HAS CONFIRMED THAT THAT WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE PLAN. WE WOULD JUST NEED TO SEE THE REVISED PLANS AS WELL AS TRYING TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THAT LIGHT TRESPASS LEVELS ARE ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES. SO AGAIN WE HAVE A FOR LIGHTING POLE SYSTEM THE LIGHTING POLE IS QUITE CLOSE TO THAT ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE SITE IS CLOSE TO THIRD AVENUE. WE HAD TO ASK THEM TO SHIFT IT OUT THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AND THE PUBLIC EASEMENTS WHICH THEY'VE DONE BUT IT IS A 90 FOOT POLE IMMEDIATELY WEST OF THE STREET SO THAT IS A VISUAL IMPACT AT LEAST AND THE APPLICANT PROVIDED FOUR CANDLE LEVELS AND YOU KNOW THESE NUMBERS AGAIN REPRESENT THE THE LIGHT AMOUNT ON THE GROUND SURFACE. YOU KNOW AGAIN YOU KNOW JUST AS AN UPDATE TO PLANS I THINK MOST OF THESE ASHTRAYS HAVE BEEN MOST ASH TREES ARE DEAD OR DYING. SO THERE ARE SOME VERY BASIC PLAN UPDATES THAT WE COULD GET FROM THE APPLICANT AND THEN WE AND THEY ALSO PROVIDED ANTICIPATED LIGHTING LEVELS ON THE PROPERTY LINES ACROSS THE STREET. SO THIS IS REALLY GOOD INFORMATION WE NEED TO TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE CODE COMPLIANCE IN THIS CASE WE DON'T IT'S THERE'S A POINT FIVE FOOT CANDLE MAXIMUM AND YOU'RE SEEING LEVELS .6.73.72. SO THAT JUST TELLS US THAT AN ADJUSTMENT IS MADE. IT'S NOT DRAMATICALLY ABOVE THE CODE ALLOWANCE BUT IT JUST TELLS US THAT SOME ADDITIONAL WORK IS NEEDED AND WITH THAT SIMILAR TO THE LAST RECOMMENDATION WE DO FEEL THAT THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION IS TO CONTINUE OR TO HOLD OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CONTINUE NOVEMBER 30TH. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THE APPLICATION QUESTION I GOTTEN THE MESSAGE MR. SIMPSON IF YOU CAN WALK ME THROUGH AGAIN THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS AND EGRESS FROM THE SITE YOU'RE ONLY COMMISSIONER COOKTOWN. YOU CAN SEE THE WHAT THE AFRICAN DID IN THIS GRAPHIC IS A THE THE DASHED BLACK LINE IDENTIFIES DIFFERENT PEDESTRIAN WAYS THERE'S A WIDE SIDEWALK BETWEEN THE THE KENNEDY SCHOOL PARKING AREAS AS WELL AS THE POND CENTER THERE'S ACTUALLY QUITE A LOT OF PARKING TO THE NORTH OF THE SITE ON THE AT THE PARK LEARNING CENTER SO THAT WOULD BE A GOOD PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION. THERE'S ALSO SIDEWALK SURROUNDING THIS PARKING AREA HERE BUT WHAT THE APPLICANT IS SHOWING WITH THIS LINE IS A CONNECTION BETWEEN THE SCHOOL SIDEWALK AND WHERE THE STADIUM IS LOCATED AND THAT'S WHERE SOME CHANGES ARE NEEDED BECAUSE THERE REALLY JUST ISN'T SUFFICIENT ON THE SHUTTLE. ON THE PLANS TO ACCOMMODATE PEDESTRIANS THERE NEEDS TO BE A WIDER SIDEWALK AND THERE ALSO SHOULD BE A CROSSWALK BETWEEN THESE TWO SPACES. AND FORGIVE ME MR. SENSE HERE WHERE EXACTLY DO I ENTER THE STADIUM? I'M SURE ERRORS ARE KICKED IN AGAIN THIS IS THAT PARKING AREA THAT JUST REFERENCED HERE IS THE SIDEWALK AND THEN THE MAIN ENTRANCE IS IN THIS CORNER. OH OKAY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GOLSON THANK YOU CHAIR THIS QUESTION IS PROBABLY FOR THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS AND STAFF ON A FEW WEEKS MONTHS AGO WE TALKED TO STAFF ABOUT CROSSWALKS IN FRONT OF KENNEDY. CAN YOU REMIND US WHERE THE CROSSWALKS IN FRONT OF KENNEDY OLD CHICOPEE ROAD ARE TODAY AND WHERE THEY'RE BEING PROPOSED IN THE NEAR FUTURE WE HAVE MS. MORONE OF THAT ONE TO THE UNION COMMISSION. AMY BROWN, TRAFFIC ENGINEER WITH THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON I I HEARD MOST OF YOUR QUESTION AND I DO RECALL WE HAVE COME AND SHARED SOME INFORMATION ABOUT A NEW PROPOSED CROSSWALK THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTING NEXT YEAR. IT IS GOING TO BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THIRD AVENUE AND THE ENTRANCE OF KENNEDY. SO WE ARE STILL WORKING ON THE FINAL DESIGN OF THAT HOPING GET IT AS CLOSE TO THE DRIVEWAY JUST NORTH OF STEPHENS AS POSSIBLE JUST BECAUSE WE THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE LOCATION WHERE THERE'S THE MOST PEDESTRIAN CROSSING DEMAND THE WERE YOU ASKING ABOUT THE OTHER CROSSING LOCATIONS AS WELL OR YEAH I THINK IT WOULD JUST BENEFIT ME TO KNOW WHERE EXISTING CROSSWALKS ARE WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING TO PUT CROSSWALKS AND THEN IN RELATION TO ON STREET PARKING AS IF WE HAVE PEOPLE PARKING LET'S SAY ON STEPHENS IF THEY WANT TO GET TO THE GAME IN THE STADIUM WHERE IS THE SAFEST PLACE TO CROSS OR GEOGRAPHY WHAT DOES THAT LOOK TODAY AS WELL AS NEXT WHEN IT'S CONSTRUCTED COMMISSIONER SO SO I WOULD SAY CURRENTLY THE SAFEST LOCATION TO CROSS WILL BE A ROAD IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE NORTH IS TO GO TO THE SIGNALIZED AT NICOLLET AVENUE THE ENHANCED CROSSWALK THERE WILL BE CONSTRUCTING WILL BE MUCH MORE CONVENIENT FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE SOME DISTANCE AWAY FROM THERE AND WE'RE TRYING TO PLACE IT BASED ON CURRENT DEMANDS AND WE HAD IDENTIFIED THIS NEED AND HAVE RECEIVED SOME GRANT FUNDING TO CONSTRUCT THIS EVEN BEFORE THIS PROPOSED ADDITIONAL USE WAS IN PLACE. THE OTHER CROSSING IS ACROSS NICOLLET AVENUE AND THAT IS NEAR THE OTHER KIND OF DRIVEWAY. SO AND THIS PICTURE AGAIN IT'S NOT FINALIZED BUT ROUGHLY WHERE WE SEE THE WORD ROAD THERE ON EAST SHAKOPEE ROAD ROUGHLY THAT IS WHERE I WOULD LIKE TO SO WE'LL BE WORKING WITH RIGHT AWAY CONSTRAINTS AND OTHER DESIGN THINGS. THAT IS WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO CONSTRUCT IT AND I CANNOT PROMISE THE FINAL DESIGN UNTIL THAT'S DONE. THAT'S THE ROUGHLY OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. CAPTAIN MS. BROWN NOT QUITE YET IF EITHER ONE FOR YOU HAVE YOU TAKEN INTO AS YOU'RE DESIGNING THAT CROSSING HAVE YOU TAKEN THIS APPLICATION INTO ACCOUNT? NO. WHAT I'M ASKING IS THAT MAY BEHOOVE US TO HAVE A MORE INTENSE CROSSING THERE WITH THIS PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC. WAS THAT ACCOUNTED FOR OR THESE TWO SEPARATE ITEMS? COMMISSIONER COTTER AND SO THE PROPOSED WILL BE DESIGNED TO IMPROVE PEDESTRIAN REGARDLESS OF THE NUMBER OF PEDESTRIANS THAT ARE CROSSING. IF WE ARE TRYING TO DIRECT THEM TO A SPECIFIC CROSSING LOCATION OUR ENHANCEMENT WILL INCLUDE A PEDESTRIAN REFUGE ISLAND WHICH WILL BE AT LEAST EIGHT FEET WIDE. SO YOU'RE ONLY CROSSING A COUPLE LANES AT A TIME AS WELL AS SOME TYPE OF ADDITIONAL ACTIVATED ENHANCEMENT. COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT THANK YOU CHAIR. I DO HAVE QUESTION SO I REMEMBER IN THE IS THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PLAN WE HAD ABOUT THE CROSSING BEING CLOSER TO WHERE THIS DIP IS IN THE SIDEWALK BECAUSE THAT SEEMS TO BE THE NATURAL FOOTPATH OF FOLKS TO CROSS AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE HAD ABOUT. CAN YOU JUST COVER THAT JUST BRIEFLY. SO COMMISSIONER THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WAS CLOSER TO THIRD AVENUE AND THAT WAS PRIOR TO OUR CONDUCTING A TRAFFIC OR A PEDESTRIAN COUNT. SO WE BASICALLY DID PAD COUNTS ALONG THAT FULL SECTION FROM THIRD AVENUE TO NICOLLET AVENUE AND WE SEE THAT THERE'S DEFINITELY A MORE CONCENTRATED DEMAND AT LEAST DURING THE COUNT THAT WE COLLECTED AND SOME SUBSEQUENT KIND OF FOLLOW OBSERVATIONS. SO THAT'S WHY WE BELIEVE THAT GETTING THAT CROSSING CLOSER TO THE ACTUAL ACTIVITY CENTER SIDEWALK ENTRANCE IS WHERE WE WILL PROBABLY CAPTURE THE MOST . THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER CURRY GOING BACK TO THE THE NOISE ANALYZES SO AGAIN THE CURRENT ANALYSIS THAT THE STAFF HAVE HAS IS BASED ON THE PROPOSED MAXIMUM NOISE LEVEL NOT LIKE THE L 50 OR L TEN NOISE LEVEL COMMISSIONERS. THAT'S CORRECT. SO AGAIN THE ANALYSIS WAS BASED ON THE AMPLIFICATION AND THEN TRYING TO CALCULATE WHAT THAT WHAT THAT NOISE LEVEL WOULD BE BASED ON DISTANCE SO IT DOESN'T INCORPORATE, YOU KNOW, NATURAL FLUCTUATIONS IN SOUND OVER TIME. SO IN REQUESTING FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, YES. HOW DOES THE STAFF EXPECT TO HAVE AN L TEN AND L 50 COMPLETED WITHOUT LIKE LIVING THROUGH A FOOTBALL GAME? SURE. COMMISSIONER, THAT'S WHY ENGINEERS HAVE MODELS. THEY TRY TO MODEL THAT AND NOT PERFECT SO IT THERE THERE WILL BE DISCREPANCIES BETWEEN AND A ENGINEER'S MODEL AND WHAT WE OBSERVE ON SITE BUT FRANKLY THAT THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING TO TRY AND PLAN FOR WHAT THE IMPACTS COULD BE AND SO IT'S A LOT BETTER THAN JUST TRYING TO GUESS. SO IT IS NOT UNREASONABLE TO BE ABLE TO COME WITH SOME KIND OF L TEN AN L FIFO MODEL USING MAXIMUM YOU'RE A GERALMENTE COMMISSIONER YOU KNOW YOU MAY REMEMBER ANOTHER APPLICATION WHERE NOISE WAS VERY OF FRONT OF MIND. THAT WAS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AND IN THAT CASE THERE WAS A VERY ROBUST SOUND STUDY THAT WAS CONDUCTED BY A SOUND ENGINEER AND IT PROVIDED ANTICIPATED L TEN AND L 50 LEVELS. GREAT. THANK YOU. THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT THIS GROUP HAS WITH IN MY FIVE AND A HALF YEARS IS SOUND. MM ONE OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. OKAY. WELL THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. THANK YOU. PAUL BORKOWSKI WITH ARCHITECTS . I JUST I'LL AGAIN I'M NOT GOING TO REHASH THINGS THAT WERE TALKED ABOUT IN THE LAST THAT THAT DUPLICATE. THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO SPEAK TO. AGAIN WE'VE WE'VE BEEN WORKING TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET YOU A SOUND STUDY THE THAT WAS PROVIDED. I JUST WOULD LIKE TO EXPLAIN THAT IT WAS SORT OF IT WAS PROVIDED TO SHOW WHAT THE PEAK LEVEL COULD BE IN ORDER TO MEET THE PROPERTY LINE. SO THE PEAK LEVEL IS WHATEVER THAT DURATION IS YOU'D HAVE TO BE BELOW THAT LEVEL. SO IF YOU LOOK BACK IT GOES BACK TO THE SOURCE AND REPORTS THE DECIBELS THAT OF SOUND THAT YOU COULD HAVE THAT WOULD THAT WOULD MEET THE ORDINANCE SO IT DOES NOT ATTEMPT ESTIMATE THE AMOUNT OF TIME AND HOUR THAT THAT WOULD HAPPEN. IT WAS TO SET THAT AND THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN USING WITH OUR ACOUSTICIAN TO FIGURE OUT OUR OUR SUPPOSITION THAT WE CAN'T GET IT TO COMPLY. SO I WILL ALSO SAY THAT WE AGAIN THIS GOES BACK TO LAST WHEN WE MET WITH THE CITY WE DID TALK ABOUT CONSULTANTS IN A SOUND STUDY. WE HAVE ONE I THINK THE CITY THE STAFF THAT WE WITH AT THE TIME AGREED THAT THEY WERE A GOOD ONE ECI CONSULTANTS. WE DID APPROACH THEM. WE DID GET A PROPOSAL FROM THEM TO STUDY THE EXISTING STADIUM IN HOPES THAT IT WOULD HELP US THROUGH THIS PROCESS. THEY ADVISED THAT BECAUSE OF THE COMPLEXITY OF THE NOISE OF A CROWD AND A SOUND SYSTEM ,A BAND AND ALL THE THINGS THAT GO ON THERE IT WOULD NOT BE APPLICABLE DO IT AT BLOOMINGTON STADIUM AND MOVE IT. AND SO WE WERE LEFT WITH THE PROBLEM OF NOT BEING NOT HAVING AN EVENT AT THIS SITE BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS IS WITH THE KIND OF SOUND DYNAMIC THING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BUILDINGS AND ALL THAT AROUND IT GREATLY AFFECT THE HOW IT'S GOING TO PERFORM AND WE HAVE NOT FOUND ANYBODY I KNOW THE STAFF IS SUGGESTING WE CAN FIND SOMEBODY TO MODEL IT. WE'VE NOT FOUND ANYBODY THAT IS WILLING TO MODEL IT. SO WE'LL BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE STAFF AND SEE IF WE CAN FIND BUT IT'S A PRETTY DYNAMIC SETTING BECAUSE IT'S NOT A SINGLE SOUND. I MEAN WE HAVE DONE AN APPLICATION BEFORE WE'VE PUT SCHILLER'S ON THE SCHOOL BUILDINGS IN THE DISTRICT AND WE'VE DONE STUDIES AND WE'VE GOTTEN THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND HAVE HAD I BELIEVE NO NEIGHBOR COMPLAINTS FROM THAT. SO WE DO UNDERSTAND BUT THIS IS A UNIQUE ANIMAL THAT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO PREDICT AND I THINK WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS INCLUDING US IS AN EXPERT TO COME AND IT'S GOING TO BE FINE. HERE'S HOW YOU NEED TO DO IT AND WE'VE NOT FIND THAT'S BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT YET AND IT'S NOT FOR LACK OF TRYING SO AGAIN WE ARE WELCOME THE IDEA CONTINUING THIS. WE WOULD LOVE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE VARIANCE PROCESS. WE'RE GOING TO LOOK THAT AND SEE IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT SOME WAY TO MAKE THIS WORK FOR. EVERYBODY SO IN TERMS OF THE LIGHTING I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK TO THAT. WE SUBMITTED THIS ON SEPTEMBER SIX TO THE CITY AND WE WERE GETTING QUESTIONS JUST LAST WEEK AND TOLD THAT THE REPORT WAS BEING WRITTEN TOMORROW. SO WE ASKED THE SOUND, THE LIGHTING TO DO ANOTHER MODEL. IT CAME UP WITH THE .7.6 THINGS WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO RUN ANOTHER MODEL THROUGH. WE WERE ASSURED BY THE LIGHTING THAT'S CAME FROM THE LIGHTING MANUFACTURER THAT THOSE ARE EASY TWEAK. THEY JUST NEED TO MOVE THE LIGHT FIXTURES A LITTLE BIT AND THEY CAN GET THOSE DOWN BELOW AT THE PROPERTY LINE AND I BELIEVE THAT TO BE TRUE AT THE JEFFERSON SITE AS WELL. AND WITH THAT I'LL I'LL BE HAPPY TO TAKE OTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. COMMISSIONER GOLTZMAN THANKS CHAIR. I GUESS I HAD A QUESTION FOR STAFF EARLIER THAT WASN'T ANSWERED AND SO CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT AROUND WHY PORTABLE RESTROOMS ARE PART OF THE PLAN VERSUS A MORE STRUCTURES? I CAN SPEAK A LITTLE BIT AND AGAIN I WOULD INVITE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO COME UP AND FILL IN IF I IF I DON'T REPRESENTED ACCURATELY WE DID CONSIDER THAT WE ACTUALLY PUT TOGETHER SOME INFORMATION FOR THE DISTRICT TO CONSIDER PUTTING BATHROOMS THERE. IT IS A PROBLEM WITH OUR STADIUM SO WE DO A LOT OF SCHOOL PROJECTS. WE'VE DONE A LOT OF STADIUMS INCLUDING PUTTING BATHROOMS AT THEM. IT'S BASICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO PROVIDE ENOUGH OR IT WOULD BE FOOLISH TO PROVIDE ENOUGH TOILETS TO ACTUALLY MEET CODE BECAUSE IT WOULD REQUIRE I DON'T REMEMBER NUMBER BUT A COUPLE DOZEN TOILETS AND THEY REALLY ONLY GET USED FEW TIMES A YEAR. THEY COME WITH PROBLEMS OF HAVING TO WINTERIZE THEM AND DEAL WITH THEM THROUGH THE WINTER AND SO THE DISTRICT LOOKED AT THAT I BELIEVE ON A KIND OF A COST BENEFIT AND A MAINTENANCE ISSUE AND DECIDED NOT TO DO THAT. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. THE SECOND QUESTION I HAVE IS AND IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN IN THE PACKET BUT LOOKING AT THIS APPLICATION WHEN DO YOU EXPECT LET'S JUST SAY IT GETS APPROVED BEFORE THE OF THE YEAR BY THE 4TH OF JANUARY. WHAT IS YOUR CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE AND WHEN WITH THE FIRST GAME BE AT BOTH OF THESE SITES? WELL, THAT'S IN INFLUX RIGHT NOW. WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DO IS GET THAT IN PLACE FOR NEXT FALL. WE SUBMITTED WITHIN THAT ENOUGH TIME TO GET THROUGH FEW OF YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS KNOWING THAT MIGHT BE A CHALLENGING THING. BUT IF WE DON'T ORDER BLEACHERS SOON IT'S UNLIKELY THAT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GET HERE FOR NEXT FALL AND SO SO THAT'S A THING WE ARE WHERE WE ARE AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT. I ALSO THINK THAT AS I SAID, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO PURSUE THIS EXEMPTION THING AND SEE AND I AGREE WITH THEM. MR. MARKER GUARD'S SORT OF ASSESSMENT OF WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WE SHOULD ALL TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS BETTER AND FIGURE OUT THE VIABILITY OF THAT AND THEN I THINK WE'LL WORK WITH THE DISTRICT TO DETERMINE OR NOT WE COME BACK AND ASK YOU TO TO GET THROUGH THIS OR I DO BELIEVE AND I WOULD I WOULD DEFER TO YOUR LEGAL I THINK IF WE ASK FOR A CONTINUANCE YOU CAN GO THE 120 DAYS AND SO I THINK THE DISTRICT COULD HOLD THAT OPEN ENOUGH TO GET THROUGH THAT PROCESS OR OR PERHAPS OR PERHAPS WITHDRAW AND COME BACK AGAIN WITH A NEW APPLICATION. I THANK YOU OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THIS ITEM IS A PUBLIC. THANK YOU ALL HAVE WERE HERE FOR THE PREVIOUS ITEM SO YOU KNOW THE DRILL. 3 MINUTES FOR ANYONE WHO'S INTERESTED TO SPEAK THERE IS A SIGN IN SHEET ON THE DAIS SO PLEASE COME FORWARD. STATE YOUR NAME AND THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN . THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS. ALL THIS AND THANK YOU ALL FOR ALL YOUR SERVICE. MY NAME IS JOHN ANDERSON. I'M THE ACTIVITIES DIRECTOR AT BLOOM COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL. I HAVE LIVED IN THE CITY 46 YEARS MY ENTIRE LIFE. GRADUATE OF JEFFERSON PLAYED FOOTBALL. JEFFERSON HIRED AT KENNEDY RIGHT OUT OF COLLEGE. I'VE BEEN THERE THE LAST 23 YEARS WAS A TEACHER FOOTBALL. IT LITERALLY PULLED ME OFF THE PRACTICE FIELD TO TAKE THIS JOB. THE CITY IS IMPORTANT TO ME AND THESE SCHOOLS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME. I'M SO PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND WHAT IT WOULD MEAN TO THE SCHOOLS AND, TO OUR COMMUNITY. I WAS PART OF THE STRATEGIC PLANNING CORPS PLANNING TEAM THAT MET IN 2021 AND 2022 AND WAS AN INTEGRAL PART IN WRITING THE CITY'S MISSION STRATEGIC VALUES GOALS AND EVERYTHING. AND I'M VERY PROUD OF THE WORK WE DID AND OUR MISSION TO CULTIVATE AN ENDURING, REMARKABLE WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO BE. WE LOSE PEOPLE AT OUR SCHOOLS, IN OUR COMMUNITIES BECAUSE OUR FACILITIES ARE NOT UP TO PAR. OUR CORE VALUE TRANSFORMATION WILL COME COLLECTIVE COURAGE AND A WILLINGNESS TO TAKE RISKS. WE THE CITIZENS WANT OUR CITY TO TAKE AND DO WHAT IS NECESSARY FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. STRATEGIES TO LINE EFFORTS ACROSS ORGANIZATIONS IN THE COMMUNITY LEVERAGE DEVELOP MAXIMIZE ASSETS TO ACHIEVE MUTUAL OUTCOMES. DURING THAT PROCESS A LOT OF IT WAS ABOUT WE WANT CENTERS OF COMMUNITY WHERE CAN COME TOGETHER. THE SCHOOLS ARE TRYING TO GIVE AND GIVE OUR CITY PLACES TO GATHER TOGETHER THAT WILL COST THE CITY NOTHING. I KNOW I ONLY HAVE 3 MINUTES AND I'M OLD HISTORY TEACHER AND I COULD TALK FOR LITERALLY HOURS ABOUT MERCANTILIST POLICIES OF THE ENGLISH BUT THIS IS. THIS IS SO IMPORTANT FOR OUR SCHOOL IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT WE GET THIS DONE AND AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. WE NEED THIS IN OUR COMMUNITY . WE SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING AND WHAT'S BEING DONE IN OTHER COMMUNITIES AND HOW THEY'VE REMODELED THEMSELVES IN AND ARE ATTRACTING FAMILIES AND BLOOMINGTON HAS NOT DONE ENOUGH. THEY HAVEN'T. I HAVE THREE KIDS FIVE, THREE AND SIX MONTHS OLD AND I WANT THEM TO GO TO PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND I WANT THEM TO LIVE THEIR LIVES LIKE I HAVE. BUT THE CITY HAS TO DO A LOT TO KEEP FAMILIES LIKE ME AND TO ATTRACT NEW ONES AND THIS IS AN INTEGRAL PART. THANK YOU . HELLO. MY NAME IS DAVID WURST. THANK YOU. MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR PROVIDING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK THE IMPORTANCE OF BUILDING A NEW STADIUM FOR KENNEDY AND THE STUDENTS. KENNEDY. AS A STUDENT ATHLETE I PLAY BOTH LACROSSE AND FOOTBALL. IT WOULD MEAN TO ME IT WOULD MEAN A LOT TO ME. ACTUALLY TO BE ABLE TO PLAY AT KENNEDY, YOU KNOW, WOULD BRING A LOT OF SCHOOL SPIRIT AND A OF PRIDE. IT HELPED BUILD TEAM CAMARADERIE AND I FEEL LIKE IT WOULD A LOT MORE ATTENDANCE FOR THE GAMES AND EVENTS AND REALLY HAVE A POSITIVE IMPACT ON THAT. A NEW STADIUM WILL ALSO BENEFIT ATHLETES WITH MORE FUNCTIONAL FEATURES SUCH AS HAVING ACCESS TO LOCKER ROOMS IN THE MIDDLE OF GAMES AND LINCOLN IT GETS REALLY COLD, REALLY WARM AND THE LOCKER ROOM JUST YOU'RE FREEZING OR YOU'RE SWEATING UP AND AGAIN I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE MY THOUGHTS WITH YOU COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU FOR HEARING US OUT TONIGHT. A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS THAT ARE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT ABOUT THE KENNEDY SITE THAN THE JEFFERSON SITE. AS A PARENT HAVING VERY LITTLE SIDEWALK AREA EVEN IN THE PLAN THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT PLANNERS CENTENARIO AND THE APPLICANT HAVE DISPLAYED JUST DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S ENOUGH SIDEWALK LIKE DROP OFF AREAS. I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT THE SHEER VOLUME OF PEOPLE EXCUSE ME OF PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT OF A STADIUM WHEN A GAME ENDS OR WHEN IT'S BEGINNING IT JUST SEEMS LIKE SOMEONE'S GOING TO GET HIT BY A CAR IN THAT DROP OFF AREA AND ESPECIALLY WITH TEENAGE DRIVERS NO OFFENSE KIDS. SO AND THEN OTHER THING IS JUST WONDERING ABOUT HOW WE CAN BE AWARE AND CONSIDERATE OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND US AND I NEVER TRIED TO DESIGN A STADIUM BEFORE SO I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WAS EXPLORED BUT IS THERE SUCH A THING AS A SOUND WALL? IS THAT REALLY IS IT TOO UGLY THAT WE CAN'T PUT ONE OF THOSE UP? COULD IT BE LIKE A PLACE THAT WE DRUM UP MARKETING REVENUE AND SELL SIGNAGE ON THAT WALL AND PAYS FOR THINGS? I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. I'M JUST SAYING LIKE SEEMS LIKE WE BUILD FENCES SO WE HAVE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND MAYBE WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT IN THIS SITUATION AND THAT COULD REDUCE THE NOISE. I DON'T LIVE THAT FAR FROM FREEWAY AND IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME EVEN THOUGH IT'S VERY LOUD. THANK MY NAME IS BERT CHESKY. I DID NOT GROW UP IN BLOOMINGTON I DID GROW UP IN A LITTLE TOWN IN NORTHEASTERN IOWA AND LEFT IN 84, LIVED IN CALIFORNIA FOR A TIME AND MOVED BACK TO THE MIDWEST BECAUSE HAD FOND MEMORIES OF GOING TO SCHOOL IN THE MIDWEST IN A COMMUNITY ENVIRONMENT AND YOU KNOW PEOPLE IN THE ON THE YOU KNOW TALKED ABOUT THE JEFFERSON FIELD YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE ADVANTAGES OF BEING ABLE TO WALK OUT ONTO THE FIELD, THE SCHOOL WITH YOUR INSTRUMENT IF YOU'RE IN THE MARCHING BAND OR YOU KNOW IN THE YOU KNOW, TRACK MEET OR FOOTBALL GAME AND THAT AND THAT'S THE ENVIRONMENT GREW UP IN IN A SMALL TOWN IN A COMMUNITY OF HAVING THOSE KIND OF LUXURIES AS A STUDENT TO BE ABLE TO ENJOY A HOME FIELD ADVANTAGE. AND IT SEEMED IT HAS SEEMED ODD SINCE WE MOVED HERE THAT KENNEDY AND JEFFERSON HAVE TO GO TO PLAY AWAY FOR HOME GAMES. I KNOW AND AT THE END OF ALL THIS AND ALL THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO SAY, IT COMES DOWN TO THE RULES YOU KNOW WHAT YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE MEET THE REQUIREMENTS AND STAY WITHIN CODE ? AND I GUESS THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S REALLY PUZZLING TO ME WITH THIS THESE TWO PROJECTS WE LIVE OVER BY PEN LAKE YOU GUYS KNOW WHERE THAT IS? HE KNEW WHERE IT IS IN RELATION TO LINCOLN THE OLD LINCOLN HIGH SCHOOL IN THE FIELD THERE. YOU KNOW WHEN WE MOVED HERE DIDN'T HAVE A KID IN SPORTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT BUT I REMEMBER IN THE FALL SEEING THE LIGHTS ACROSS THE ACROSS PENN AND YOU KNOW, WONDERING WHAT THE HECK IS ON OVER THERE AND THEN HEARING THE MARCHING BAND AND YOU KNOW, HAVING GROWN UP RUNNING BOTH TRACK AND PLAYING IN THE BAND I HEARD IT OUT HEARING THE BAND AND THOUGHT OH THIS IS AWESOME. NOW WE HAVE A KID WHO'S A FEW YEARS AND YEAH HE'S GOING TO BE PLAYING FOOTBALL AT KENNEDY NEXT YEAR. WHEN WE GOT WORD AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SEASON THAT THE FOOTBALL FIELD WAS GOING TO BE BUILT, I THOUGHT OH MY, THIS IS GREAT. YOU KNOW AS A FRESHMAN HE'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO PLAY ON A NEW FIELD AND THEN TONIGHT THIS HAS BEEN REALLY GOOD AND INFORMATIVE AND I FIND THAT IT SEEMS LIKE THE BIGGEST HURDLE IS SOUND AND I KNOW IT'S ONLY ANECDOTAL BECAUSE THERE'S RULES THAT WE HAVE TO COMPLY BUT WE DON'T MIND THE SOUND. IT'S EXCITING. SOMETHING FUN GOING ON IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS A QUIET LITTLE MID-CENTURY NEIGHBORHOOD BUT WHEN THERE'S A GAME THERE'S SOME EXCITEMENT. IT'S GOOD. THERE'S NO DOWNSIDE TO IT THAT WE CAN SEE. AND THEN THE SORT OF ANNOYING EARLY 30 SECONDS LEFT BUT THE SORT OF IF YOU DO IF YOU DON'T THING IF THESE TWO STADIUMS DON'T GO THROUGH AND IMPROVEMENTS HAVE TO BE MADE TO LINCOLN WHAT DO WE DO THEN BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN COMPLY THERE EITHER. AND I KNOW THAT'S OTHER BUSINESS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW BUT IT'S WE GOT ACROSS THIS WE GOT ACROSS THIS RDLE SOMEHOW. SO WHY WE DO IT WH TWO DEDICATE FIES AT THE TWO BLOOMINGTON HIGH SCHOOLS SCHOOLS GOVENING. THANK Y SO MUCH FOR GIVING US T TIM T TK TODAY. MY NAME IS MAURICIO ORIENTALS AN I'VE BEEN AESIDENT OFINCE 1988 ORIGILLY FROM COSTAICA YOU PROBABL FIGURED THAT YOU KNOW BY THE ACCENT LET'S NOT TK ABOUT THAT. I HAVE FOUR KIDS AND ALL OF THEM HAVE ATTENDED OOMINGTON SCHOOLS THEIR ENTIRE SCHOOL LIFE WOULD BE ELEMENTARY BELLEVUE MIDDLE SCHOOL AND KENNEDY HIGH SCHOOL. THEY ALSO PARTICIPATED IN MANY SCHOOL ACTIVITIES SOCCER, FOOTBALL SHOW CHOIR WHATEVER IS OPEN. THEY WANT TO PARTICIPATE ON THEM. MY FAMILY'S BELIEVER IN OUR SCHOOL AND EDUCATION AND THE ATHLETIC PROGRAMS OFFERED BY THE SCHOOLS WE HAVE THE HONOR TO WORK WITH MANY COACHES LEADERS OF OUR ACTIVITIES YOU KNOW MR. ANDERSON COACH BUSH AND OR COACH MARIO OR RACHEL STEPHEN JUST TO MENTION A FEW WE HAVE DONE CAR WASHES SELL PRODUCTS DURING HELP THEIR HERITAGE THIS ENSURED THE SUCCESS OF OUR PROGRAMS WHAT MAKES KENNEDY PROGRAM SO GREAT IS THAT THE STUDENTS HAVE PARTICIPATED. WE A SENSE OF COMMUNITY AND SUPPORT HOWEVER I'M NOT HERE TONIGHT TO TELL YOU HOW GREAT THIS PROGRAMS OR THIS LEADERS THAT WE HAVE OUR SCHOOLS ARE. WE'RE HERE TO TELL YOU THAT WE WANT TO GIVE KIDS THE SAME TOOLS THAT THE MAJORITY OF OUR SCHOOLSN OUR STATE HE AND NOTHG MORE NOTHING LESS. YES, OUR SCHOOLS ARE LOCATED IN THE MIDDLE OF BUSY NEIGHBORHOODS, SOMETHING OUT OF OUR CONTROL. WE DID NOT CHOOSE THE LOCATIONS TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL OF ALL NEIGHBORHOODS. BUT IT SEEMS SOMETIMES THAT WE ARE PENALIZED, YOU KNOW, FOR THIS I CAN ASSURE THAT KENNEDY AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS WILLING TO WORK WITH THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES AND FIND COMMON GROUND SOLUTIONS. WHERE WE'RE ASKING IS TO LET OUR STUDENTS HAVE A STADIUM THEY CAN CALL THEIR OWN TO CELEBRATE WITH THEIR TEAMS HAVING TO INSTEAD OF HAVING TO WALK ACROSS TOWN TO CHEER AND SUPPORT THEIR FAILURES BECAUSE THEY'RE BOTH PART OF LIFE TO THEM HAVE A SAFE PLACE TO BE WITH THEIR FAMILIES, THEIR FRIENDS, THE CLAMMY ARTS AND TO CELEBRATE THE HIGH SCHOOL IN A HIGH SCHOOL ATMOSPHERE THAT REGARDLESS OF RELIGION, RACE, SEXUAL ORIENTATION DISABILITIES AND SOCIOECONOMICS WE'RE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY AND THE TOOLS TO BE SUCCESSFUL KENNEDY EAGLES COMMUNITY AND ALSO TO REVIEW THE PROPOSAL WITH AN OPEN HEART AND TO DO WHAT IS BEST FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND FOR OUR KENNEDY STUDENTS. THANK YOU SO THANK YOU GUYS FOR LETTING ME HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU GUYS TONIGHT. MY NAME IS JOHN KELLY. I'M THE OFFENSIVE TACKLE FOR KENNEDY AND COMING FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE OF AN AT KENNEDY WAS PLAYED AT LINCOLN AND TRIED TO HOLD UP THE REPUTATION THAT THE SENIORS BEFORE ME HAVE LINCOLN ALL THAT HAVING A NEW STADIUM WOULD GIVE LIKE JUNIORS AND SENIORS THIS YEAR TO CREATE THEIR OWN REPUTATION AND THEIR OWN LEGACY AT KENNEDY THEY CALL THE LINCOLN NOW IN THIS BECAUSE JEFFERSON AND KENNEDY SHARE THE SAME STADIUM THEY DON'T CALL ORDAZ KENNEDY STADIUM OR THE JEFFERSONS. THEY JUST SAY LINCOLN. RIGHT. AND IT'S LIKE SHARING A ROOM WITH A BROTHER YOU DON'T WANT TO SHARE A ROOM WITH LIKE IT GETS OLD, YOU KNOW? SO LIKE THE THING IS IS LIKE OH WHEN WE CAN OUR OWN STADIUMS THEY CAN BE LIKE OH THAT'S KENNEDY STADIUM OR THAT'S JEFFERSON STADIUM NOW OR THAT LINCOLN STADIUM RIGHT . AND THE JUST THE WALK BEING ABLE TO WALK FROM YOUR SCHOOL TO YOUR STADIUM IS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF FEELING. WATCHING TWO RIVERS DURING THEIR HOMECOMING GAME WALK OUT TO THE STADIUM, WALK OUT TO THE STADIUM AS ONE TEAM NOW HAVING TO GET THE BUS, UNLOAD ALL THESE THINGS AND AT YOUR OWN STADIUM THAT WAS A TINY BIT INTIMIDATING YOU AND THEY HAD THEY HAD A WHOLE WHOLE FESTIVAL OUTSIDE OF THERE BUT RIGHT BEFORE THEIR HOMECOMING AND JUST FOR US WE GOT OFF THE BUS AND WERE UNLOADING ALL THESE THINGS THAT'S NOT PASSING THE IT'S RIGHT WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT WALKING OUT AS ONE UNIT AND I THINK HAVING OUR OWN STADIUM AND WALKING OUT IS ONE UNIT AND LOOKING LIKE WE ARE READY TO GO AND HAVE ALL OUR STUFF READY THAT WOULD BE INTIMIDATING FOR OTHER TEAMS. RIGHT AND JUST WITH APPLE VALLEY THEY WALKED OUT THE STADIUM. THEY WALKED OUT THERE OUT OF THEIR SCHOOL TO THEIR STADIUM. THEY HAVE HOUSES LIKE IF YOU LOOK UP THEY HAVE HOUSES THEY HAVE LIKE THERE'S WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT BEHIND IT RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEIR STADIUM. I THE LIGHTS WERE JUST JUST FOCUSED ON STADIUM AND NOBODY HAD ANY COMPLAINTS IN HOUSES WERE DARK, IT WAS RAINING BUT PEOPLE WERE STILL HAVING AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY RIGHT. THANK YOU GUYS . GREETINGS MY NAME IS MALIK SIMMONS AND I DID NOT GROW UP IN BLOOMINGTON BUT SO FAR AS IN THE EXPERIENCE WHERE I WAS IN BLOOMINGTON EVER SINCE VALLEY VIEW MIDDLE I HAVE FELT A WELCOME IN THE PRESENCE AT BLOOMINGTON A OF BENEFITS WOULD BE ACQUIRED WITH HAVING HOME STADIUM WITH THE JOY AND THE FEEL OF THE COMMUNITY WITH A LOT OF OUR PLAYERS ARE STUDENTS PERHAPS DON'T LIVE IN BLOOMINGTON EXACTLY LIKE USUALLY WE'LL HAVE PEOPLE COME FROM APPLE VALLEY MINNEAPOLIS I SCHOOLS OUT SO WHERE IF IT'S HOME IT WILL BE LIKE QUITE A DIFFICULT TIME JUST TO GET DOWN TO THE GAME UNLESS IF THEY HAVE LIKE A RIDE PERHAPS BUT WITH THE NEW STADIUM IT BE BENEFICIAL BY HAVING MORE OF A COMMUNITY, MORE OF EXCITEMENT MORE MORE OF A ATTENDANCE. A LOT MORE PEOPLE GO DOWN TO THE EVENTS GO DOWN TO ANYTHING THAT'S GOING ON BECAUSE THEY'LL BE LIKE OKAY IS RIGHT DOWN THE NAME AND DOWN THE STREET IS WALKING AND ALSO BE BENEFICIAL BECAUSE. WE HAVE A GAS STATION RIGHT DOWN THE STREET WE HAVE A BIKE . WE HAVE A LOT OF OTHER STUFF THAT'S AROUND WELL I DON'T HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO SAY SO THANK YOU . HI MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK. MY SISTER WAS ONE OF THE ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO WORE THE HOCKEY EAGLE AND GOT ON THE ICE WITH THE HOCKEY TEAM FOR THE BLOOMINGTON EAGLES. THE KENNEDY EAGLES THAT WAS YEARS ALSO I HAPPEN TO LIVE IN THE LEFT HAND CORNER OF YOUR SCREEN UP THERE SO I AM KITTY CORNER FROM THE STADIUM THAT'S THE PROPOSED STADIUM EXCUSE ME I SUPPORT HAVING A WONDERFUL PLACE FOR THE FOOTBALL TEAM AND THE TEAMS THAT PLAY ON THERE BUT SUPPORT DOING IT RIGHT AND SOME OF MY CONCERNS MAY NOT ALIGN WITH SOME OF THE OTHER CONCERNS OF COURSE THERE'S GOING TO BE NOISE OF COURSE THERE'S GOING TO BE LIGHT PLEASE DON'T BUILD A WALL PLEASE PUT SIGNS ON IT THAT WOULD RUIN OUR SUNSET. I WOULD HAVE TO ASK THE SUPERINTENDENTS THE SUPERINTENDENT TO HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE MAYBE NOT EVERY CONDITIONAL NOT EVERY SUPERINTENDENT IS GOING TO HAVE THE SAME FEELINGS. I'M NOT RENTING IT OUT TO MULTIPLE SOURCES SO CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO REGULATE FUTURE IMPACT AND TO BE ABLE TO MONITOR THE USE AND THE NOISE I DO ON MY HOME SCHOOL FOOTBALL TEAM TO WALK OUT IN BARS ON THEIR HOME TURF. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA BUT I DO WANT THE NEIGHBORS TO ALSO BE RESPECTED. NO LIGHTED SIGNS REALLY SMART ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS DESIGN MAYBE HAVE A FEW CHANGES THAT IT'S CLOSER TO A LEED CERTIFIED KIND OF DESIGN. SO WE'RE THINKING OF PERMEABLE PAVEMENT, WE'RE THINKING OF SHRUBS AND TREES ALONG 98 THAT DOESN'T TAKE IT DOESN'T TAKE A FOREST. IT DOESN'T BECAUSE I LIVE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET AND I HAVE TREES IT'S NOT A FOREST TREES AND THEY DO HELP SO SHRUBS AND TREES ALONG OLD SHAKOPEE ROAD AND ALONG THIRD AVENUE ALSO THE DRAINAGE IS GOING AS I NOTICED THE PLANS TO A SMALL WETLAND I WOULD ASK THAT BECAUSE WE MEAN PERMEABLE LANDSCAPE PIPING THAT ANY DRAINAGE THAT IS GOING INTO THAT SMALL LITTLE WETLAND THE NORTH BE WE HAVE ADEQUATE MITIGATING FACTORS TO FILTER OUT ANYTHING FROM ALL THOSE PARKING LOTS THAT'S ALREADY GOING THERE WE CAN DO THIS RIGHT AND WE CAN DO IT BETTER AND WE CAN DO IT BETTER FOR GENERATIONS TO COME SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT INFILTRATING THOSE BEAUTIFUL AQUIFERS IN THOSE BEAUTIFUL WELLS ARE BELOW BLOOMINGTON WE HAVE SPRINGS THIS PROJECT IS RIGHT ACROSS STREET FROM THE MINNESOTA RIVER WATERSHED DISTRICT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION BY THE WAY ALSO THE TREES AND SHRUBS WOULD HELP THE ENORMOUS, ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF TRASH THAT BLOWS OFF THE CAMPUS IN THE FORM OF COOKIE WRAPPERS AND POPCORN AND YEAH, CANDY WRAPPERS, EVERYTHING THE NEXT YEAR WRAP UP IF YOU CAN YOU AT TIMES SERIOUS SERIOUS IMPACT FOR SAFETY BY THE WAY, WE'VE HAD ONE DEATH ON THAT STREET ALREADY I'VE HAD SPEEDING AND IN MY FRONT YARD TAKING OUT TWO TREES THERE IS A SAFETY. WE DO NEED TRAFFIC CALMING AND I KNOW YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU OOH. LATE EVENING, HUH? FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU TO THE CHAIRWOMAN AND TO THE OTHER CHAIRPERSONS COMMISSIONERS ON THE BOARD. THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. THANK YOU TO OUR ESTEEMED LEADER DR. BILBY AND MR. AND WRIGHT FOR EVERYTHING HE'S DONE TO PRINCIPAL MOLLY HOLLENBECK. YOU KNOW, I WASN'T GOING TO SAY ANYTHING BUT I'VE HEARD A LOT TONIGHT. I'VE HEARD A LOT AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW COME BACK ON A COUPLE OF THINGS AS THE HEAD COACH FOOTBALL COACH AT KENNEDY HIGH SCHOOL TOOK OVER ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO AND SINCE WE'VE TAKEN OVER WE'VE HAD A LOT SOME SUCCESS MOST OF OUR SUCCESS HAS COME INTO THE EAST SIDE COMMUNITY. WE'VE DONE THINGS IN THE COMMUNITY LIKE EAGLE PRIDE. WE'VE DONE THINGS IN THE COMMUNITY LIKE GOING OUT HELPING OUR SENIORS BUT WE REALLY PREACH EAST SIDE PRIDE. AND THE THING ABOUT IT IS WHEN WE COME TO OUR HOME STADIUM WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AND WE HAVE TO SAY IS THIS PRIDE IS THIS COMMUNITY PRIDE? YOU KNOW A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT PEOPLE HAVE NOT TOUCHED ON I DO WANT TO TOUCH ON THIS EVENING FIRST AND FOREMOST A NEW STADIUM AT KENNEDY WOULD DRIVE REVENUE. WE HAVE AN ISSUE RAISING FUNDS FOR OUR SPORTS TEAMS AT KENNEDY THAT ISSUE COMES FROM NO NEW BUSINESSES IN THE EAST SIDE OF BLOOMINGTON. TAKE A MINUTE AND THINK ABOUT IT. WE DO NOT HAVE BLOOMINGTON POOR TABS AND THINGS ON THE EAST SIDE TO PULL FROM SO OUR REVENUE TO COME FROM NEIGHBORS, OUR COMMUNITY, SUN CARS THINGS LIKE THAT WE DON'T HAVE BUSINESSES IN WHICH WE CAN HAVE SPONSORSHIPS RIGHT NOW. A NEW STADIUM WOULD DRIVE THAT. FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS I'VE WORKED WITH BUSINESSES WORLD FOOTBALL. I WORK WITH BUSINESSES LIKE APPLEBEE'S, I WORK WITH OTHER BUSINESSES BUT MORE AND MORE THEY WHAT THEY SAY WE WANT TO WORK WITH YOU. YOUR ADVERTISING RIGHT NOW IS NOT WHERE WE WILL BE AT. THEY DON'T TO INVEST BECAUSE RIGHT NOW OUR FACILITIES ARE OLD, THEY'RE OUTDATED. RIGHT. WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT OUR KIDS ARE COMING TO OUTDATED FACILITIES. TAKE A MOMENT. A LOT OF YOU HAVE KIDS KNOW WHAT ARE YOUR KIDS GO TO SCHOOL WHAT DO THEY GO TO WHERE THEIR FACILITIES LOOK LIKE WHEN I GO AND TALK TO MY EIGHTH GRADE FUTURE KENNEDY KIDS THEY ASK ME ABOUT NEW LOCKER ROOMS. THEY ASK ME ABOUT WEIGHT. WELL, THE MORE THAN ANYTHING THEY ASK ME WHY THEIR FIELD DOES NOT LOOK LIKE WE WANT TO TALKING ABOUT THE SUBURBS LET'S GO DOWN THE STREET TO RICHFIELD LOOK AT THEIRS THOSE ARE PEOPLE THAT WE COMPETE WITH ON A DAILY BASIS TO GET KIDS THEIR FACILITIES OUT. DO KENNEDY'S FACILITIES LEARN A THIRD LARGEST CITY IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA? WELL, WE HAVE THE OUTMOST OUTDATED FACILITIES LET THAT SOAK IN FOR JUST A MOMENT OVER 300,000 RESIDENTS WE HAVE OUTDATED SCHOOL FACILITY. WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING. I UNDERSTAND THE HOW I DO. I'M LOUD SOME OF THESE RESIDENTS MAY BE COMPLAINING ABOUT ME SOME TIME IN PRACTICE RIGHT I'M LOUD BUT AT THE SAME TIME THINK ABOUT THE PRIDE THAT WE'RE I THINK JUST TO TAKE THAT FOR JUST A MOMENT WHAT KIND OF PRIDE YOU COME IN AS A NINTH GRADE KID KNOWING THAT YOUR SCHOOL LOOKS LIKE THIS AND OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WAS HARLEM BACK IN MR. ANDERSON HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF BRANDING THE BUILDING KIDS NOTICED IT. THEY NOTICE WHEN IT SAYS J.F.K. NOW THEY KNOW THIS WHEN THEY SEE THEIR COLORS BLUE AND GOLD THEY STAND OUT ABOUT IT. EVERYBODY BEHIND YOU TODAY IS WEARING KENNEDY MERCHANDISE BECAUSE WE BELIEVE IN PRIDE. THERE IS NOTHING LIKE COMMUNITY AT KENNEDY HIGH SCHOOL WE WERE ASKING FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE STATEMENT OF THE STATE I'M SORRY THIS STADIUM JUST BASED ON PRIDE IT WAS NOT HIGH RIGHT TO SAY IT WITH ME EAST SIDE SIDE IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE CHAMBER WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? DOUG HERZOG ALSO SPEAKING ON THIS IN ONE OF THE EARLIER PLANNING COMMISSION NOTES THEY TALKED ABOUT MEETING WITH THE COMMUNITY ABOUT POTENTIAL NOISE PROBLEMS, WHAT THE BOARD HAD ACTUALLY MET WITH THE COMMUNITY TOO LIKE THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO. MY GUESS IS YOU'RE GONNA FIND OUT THAT LINCOLN FIELD WAS GRANDFATHERED IN WITH THE NOISE. SO LIKE I THINK I CAN GET A VARIANCE TO DO SOMETHING IF IT'S CLOSER MY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE MAYBE THE CITY ATTORNEY GOT AN ANSWER THAT I DON'T KNOW. BUT WHAT IF YOU WERE WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO TRY AND MAKE THIS HAPPEN? I MEAN WE'RE NOT AGAINST THE STADIUM. WE'RE NOT AGAINST THE SCHOOLS JUST ASKING YOU NOT TO BLINDSIDE. YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE BLOOMINGTON. I ALWAYS LIKE STUFF AD HOC, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE BLOOMINGTON COMMUNITY CENTER. YOU COULD DO ALL THIS RIGHT BY THE DOG PARK. YOU COULD PUT IN THE STADIUM, YOU COULD PUT IN THE BASEBALL FIELDS, YOU COULD IN THE POOL YOU COULD DO ALL THAT BUT YOU GUYS AD HOC IT WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A DOWNTOWN SO I'M I'M JUST BOTHERED BY THIS SO I THOUGHT I'D ADD THAT . HI I'M AARON DUSKY AND I IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND YOUTH PROGRAMING AND I JUST HAVE TO SAY THAT A LOT OF THESE COMMENTS REMIND ME OF NIMBYISM AND NOT IN MY BACKYARD AND I HOPE THAT WE DON'T LET THAT HAPPEN HERE AND TH WE ARE ABLE TO FIND A WAY TO ALLOW T YOUTH TO HE THE STADIUMS THAT THEY DESERVE AT THR SCHOOLS . I DO APOLOGIZE ONE THING DID WANT TO MTION VERY IMPORTAN TO ME, YOU KNOW,S COACH A I KNOW CCH CARLSON IF HE WAS HERE BOTH ATHLETIC DECTORS WILL S THIS THE FIELD CONDITIONS AT LINCOLN ARE NOT FEASIBLE. OKAY. ANY TIME IT RAINS ANYIME WE HAVE MULTIPLE SPORTS THERE YOU CANNOT PLAY AT LINCOLN. I INVITE YOU TO WATCH THE GAMES. WE HAD TWO RAIN POURS THIS YEAR. IT AFFECTED OUTCOMES OF GAMES TREMENDOUSLY OKAY SO I NEED YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT ALSO I KNOW I'VE HEARD LINCOLN LINCOLN LINCOLN TONIGHT UNFORTUNATELY SOMEONE SAID IT TOO YOU KNOW SOUND IS THAT LINCOLN SOUND IS EVERYWHERE BUT THE FIELD CONDITIONS AT LINCOLN ARE NO LONGER FEASIBLE TO REALLY PLAY ON. I'M TELLING YOU THEY'RE NOT IF YOU AT THEM AND THAT'S JUST ONE THING I REALLY WANT TO BRING UP. PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT THE BLEACHERS. THE KIDS CAN'T EVEN PLAY ON THE FIELDS AT LINCOLN. I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONER. MY NAME IS AMAR MUSTAFA. I'M A CURRENT STUDENT ATHLETE ACADEMY AND I JUST WANT TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE PLAYERS . I JUST WANT TO SAY ALL THE PLAYERS ARE TIRED OF PLAYING AT LINCOLN. YOU KNOW, WANT TO HAVE OUR OWN LEGACY AND WE'RE TIRED OF CARRYING ON LEGACY FOR 50 YEARS. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S I MY NAME IS GEORGIA BEAR. I ACTUALLY DON'T LIVE IN BLOOMINGTON. I LIVE IN BURNSVILLE AS PART OF CO-OP WITH KENNEDY AND BURNSVILLE WE'VE COME TOGETHER ON THE LACROSSE TEAM TO BE A CO-OP, IF YOU WILL, AND THIS IS MAYBE A LITTLE SELFISH BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT'S IT'S NEAR AND DEAR TO MYSELF AND KNOWING A LOT OF THE PARENTS ON THE TEAMS SOME CONSIDERATIONS THAT I WAS THINKING OF DURING THIS TIME CONSIDERING IT THESE FACILITIES ARE USED TO A CERTAIN EXTENT AND THERE'S ALREADY SOME NOISE AND NOT TO SOUND INCONSIDERATE OF NOISE BUT THERE'S REALLY NO I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING ON WHAT THE PLANNED USAGE IS AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WELL I DON'T PLAN ON DOING THIS OR THAT AND WHAT WOULD BE LIKE FOR FOOTBALL WHAT ARE THE LOUDEST GENERALLY IT'S FOOTBALL. YOU KNOW YOU GO TO A LACROSSE GAME 30 PEOPLE SHOW UP MAYBE YOU KNOW, IT'S GONE AND THE SAD AND YOU HEAR A LOT OF COMMENTS FROM OTHER FANS STUFF THIS IS A TERRIBLE FIELD, YOU KNOW AND IT HURTS IT HURTS AS A BURNSVILLE PERSON TO BUT WHAT IS WHAT IS THERE FOR SPORTS AND OURS AND THEN WHAT A GOI TO BE T ADDED HOURS AND TRULY WHAT TIME? YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT AND LIGHT AND ALL THAT YOU KNOW IS TRACK AND FIELD ALWAYS AT NIGHT ARE YOU SAYING OH WE'VE GOT TO HURRY UP AT 7:00 WE'RE GETTING DUSK? THOSE THINGS I THINK NEED TO COME INTO CONSIDERATION. WELL AND THEN IT COMES DOWN TO YOU KNOW WHAT IS WHAT IS TRULY IT GOING TO BE. IN BURNSVILLE THEY TO STOP MIDDLE SCHOOL SPORTS AND THEY SAID MORE MIDDLE SCHOOL SPORTS SUDDENLY WE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHY ARE PEOPLE LEAVING BURNSVILLE AND THE WAS NO SPORTS THERE WAS NOTHING FEEDING THE HIGH SCHOOL AT THAT POINT SUDDENLY ALL OUR SPORTS STARTED TO GO DECLINE AND IN MEMBERSHIP AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT AND WE SAW PEOPLE TO QUESTION WHY ARE THEY IN GREENVILLE AND I CAN KIND OF SEE THAT HAPPENING NOW TO A CERTAIN EXTENT I KNOW THE COACHES TOUCHED ON IT AND OTHER TOUCHED ON IT IS WHAT'S THE DRAW WHAT IS THE DRAW TO BLOOMINGTON MY COUSIN WENT TO KENNEDY GREW UP IN KENNEDY SO I VISITED HIM A LOT GROWING UP AND HE WAS VERY PROUD OF IT. BUT THEN HE DECIDED WELL JEFFERSON'S A LITTLE BIT BETTER YOU KNOW AND I'M NOT TRYING TO COMPARE IT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT BUT HE SAID YEAH, IT'S GOT A LITTLE BETTER SCHOOLS GET A LITTLE BETTER FACILITIES AND YOU KNOW COMPARING THEM I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE . IT'S BEEN NOTICEABLE PLAYING ON DIFFERENT PLACES. BURNSVILLE HAS SOME REAL ISSUES WITH A LOT OF THEIR FACILITIES TOO AND YOU HEAR SOME OF THE SAME COMMENTS ABOUT FACILITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND IT OF IS I THINK A BIG CONSIDERATION ON HOURS AND USAGE OVERALL BUT THANK YOU ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM I THOUGHT THAT'S IN BLOOMINGTON OR IS IT I'M JUST CURIOUS IS THERE ANY PLACE IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON THAT WOULD WE COULD PUT A FOOTBALL FIELD IS THE NOISE IS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE AT EVERY SINGLE SPOT IN BLOOMINGTON OUT OF THE FOOTBALL BUSINESS OR WHAT I'M JUST CURIOUS ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM ? HI MY NAME IS RACHEL SINGING I'M HEAD GIRL SOCCER COACH AT KENNEDY I. JUST WANT TO SORT OF HIGHLIGHT I KNOW WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT FOOTBALL AND HEARD A LOT ABOUT FOOTBALL BUT. THIS WOULD BENEFIT SO MUCH ALL OF OUR OTHER SPORTS AS WELL I MEAN I'VE TALKED TO DAN BUSH AND HALF THE HEAD COACH AND JOHN ANDERSON, OUR ACTIVITIES DIRECTOR ABOUT HOW WOULD INCREASE OUR ABILITY TO DO MORE STUFF WITH OUR DOUBLEHEADERS WITH OUR SOCCER GAMES BEING ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE HAVE OUR JV AND OUR VARSITY TEAMS BACK TO BACK SO THAT WE CAN DRAW MORE AND HAVE MORE PROGRAM SPIRIT NOT JUST VARSITY SPIRIT BEING ABLE TO ACTUALLY HAVE LIKE OUR DANCE TEAM COME AND DO HALFTIME SHOWS OR SHOWS IN BETWEEN OUR GAMES BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE SOUND SYSTEM ISN'T ENOUGH EITHER AT OUR GAMES THAT WE PLAY AT THE CURRENT KENNEDY FIELD OR AT LINCOLN WHEN THE DANCE TEAM COMES IN LIKE TRIES TO DO SCHOOL SPIRIT STUFF FOR US IT'S KIND OF SAD LIKE THEY'RE SO TALENTED AND THEY DESERVE TO HIGHLIGHTED AND WE WANT TO HAVE THOSE JOINT VENTURES HAPPENING BETWEEN THESE TEAMS AND IT'S JUST LIKE NOT THAT SPECIAL RIGHT NOW. AND SO YOU KNOW YOU'VE HEARD A LOT OF THE THE FOOTBALL BOYS AND COACHES AND EVERYTHING TALK ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY AND THIS LIKE DESIRE FOR THESE CONGREGATING SPACES, THIS PRIDE THAT WE HAVE IN THE SCHOOL. AND I JUST REALLY WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO THINK HOW THIS CAN HAPPEN BEYOND A FRIDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL GAME BUT THAT THIS COULD PERMEATE ALL OUR SPORTS. THIS COULD BE A BUILDING BLOCK FOR SO MANY MORE OPPORTUNITIES OUTSIDE OF JUST PLAYING THE GAMES OF , HAVING YOU KNOW, SPECIAL SENIOR NIGHT, SPECIAL PARENT NIGHTS, TEACHER RECOGNITION EVENTS, ALL THE STUFF THAT A LOT OF THESE OTHER SCHOOLS HAVE THAT WE JUST CAN'T SUPPORT NOW WITH OUR CURRENT FACILITIES. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION . ANYONE ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO TESTIFY BUT WE DO STILL HAVE PERSON ONLINE. WE WANT TO SEE IF THEY ARE HERE FOR THIS ITEM. YES JEROME AND WE HAVE ONE CALLER WHO IS NOT STAFF AND DAMIAN ERICKSON I WILL UM, YOU KNOW IN CASE YOU'D LIKE TO TESTIFY TESTIFY DAMIAN ERICKSON WOULD YOU LIKE TO TESTIFY ON THIS MATTER? MUTED THEMSELVES AGAIN? IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM ? OKAY AT THIS POINT I THINK WE FIND OURSELVES IN A SIMILAR PLACE. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY THAT ANYONE ON THE COMMISSION WANTS TO HAVE OR IF WE WANT TO GO DIRECTLY TO EMOTION. COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. ONLY THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION IS TO SAY I APPRECIATE SOME OF THE STUDENTS WHO CAME OUT AND PROVIDED TESTIMONY I HAD NEVER AND PROBABLY NEVER WOULD DONE IT AS A HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT. SO I APPRECIATE THE TIME THAT YOU'VE TAKEN TO COME OUT AND GIVE US YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THE STADIUM. IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE STUDENTS AND TEENS IN OUR IN OUR COMMUNITY WHO CARE ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY. SO IT'S REALLY NICE TO SEE THAT. I THINK I'VE SAID THIS TWICE TONIGHT AND I WILL REITERATE IT AGAIN THE SCOPE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS FAIRLY NARROW AND SO WHATEVER THE OUTCOME OF THIS IS AND THREE WEEKS OR WHENEVER IT IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOESN'T GET TO DECIDE WE LOVE IT OR HATE IT OR WE THINK IT'S THE BEST IDEA THE WORST IDEA OUR IS TO LOOK AT APPLICATIONS AND DECIDE IF THEY DO OR DO NOT MEET THE FINDINGS AND SO I WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE KNOW THAT THEY ARE HEARD AND THANK YOU FOR FOR EVERYTHING FOR BOTH APPLICATIONS FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? EMOTION COMMISSIONER COOKSON THANK MR. CHAIR. ONE THING THAT DOES MAKE THIS APPLICATION DIFFICULT FOR ME A LITTLE BIT IS THE PROXIMITY 98TH STREET WE TALKED WITH A STREET A BUNCH IN THIS BODY AND I SEE IT FIRSTHAND ALL THE TIME PEOPLE CUT ACROSS THAT STREET AND IT DOES CONCERN ME THAT A BUNCH MORE PEOPLE THERE IS GOING TO HAVE ISSUES ESPECIALLY IT'S DARK OUT AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE ANYTHING FORMALIZED FOR IT BUT I WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE THE SCHOOL TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT IN WHETHER THAT MEANS MAYBE WE GET A POLICEMAN OUT THERE FOR GAMES TO, MONITOR IT OR WHATEVER. WE'RE NOT IN A POSITION IN THIS BODY TO REQUIRE LIKE THAT BUT IT DOES CONCERN ME AND I AM HAPPY HERE THERE'S A MORE FORMALIZED INTERSECTION COMING THERE BUT. EVEN HALF A BLOCK IS SOMETIMES TOO MUCH FOR TO WALK TO A CROSSWALK WHEN THEY CAN JUST DART ACROSS THE STREET AND. SO I REALLY HOPE WE TAKE EXTRA PRECAUTIONS TO ENSURE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY FOR EVENTS AT THIS AT THE SITE. I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS SOMEWHAT WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THIS BODY BECAUSE TRAFFIC AND TRANSPORTATION IS PART OF THE PURVIEW OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND YOU KNOW I THINK I MENTIONED THE PREVIOUS ONE AND I WOULD ECHO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I WILL SAY THIS IN A SUPPORTIVE BUT CRITICAL IS WE DON'T DO A VERY GOOD JOB OF MANAGING TRAFFIC AT OUR SCHOOLS RIGHT DURING THE SCHOOL DAY. AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US COME UP WITH SOME I WOULD HOPE THAT THE SCHOOLS WOULD BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH SOME PLANS TO BE BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE EVERYWHERE THERE EVERY DAY ARE PARENTS STUDENTS AND THEY KNOW THIS THE PLACE PEOPLE COME FOR THESE EVENTS DON'T KNOW PCE MOST OF THEM ESPECIALLY OUT OF TOWN FOLKS THAT ECHO YOU SAY AND I THINK I ALLUDED TO IT A LITTLE BIT AT THE LAST ONE IS SOME OF OUR TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT OR TRANSPORTATION MANAGEMENT AND THERE WERE SOME STUFF IN THE PACKET ABOUT THAT BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WE CAN GET A LITTLE BIT OF MORE MEAT ON THAT WHEN WE COME BACK, COMMISSIONER GOLTZMAN. THANK YOU, CHAIR. I THINK THOSE STATEMENTS REALLY HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD WITH SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD CITY STAFF ON THE THE CROSSWALK AND THEN THE SUBSEQUENT QUESTION AROUND TIMING. AND SO IF WE WERE TO PUT CONDITIONS INTO THIS PROPOSAL OR THIS THIS APPROVAL WOULD BE THAT THE ISSUANCE OF OCCUPANCY WOULD NOT BE GRANTED UNTIL THE SIDEWALK HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED . THAT MEANS THAT CITY WOULD NEED TO BUMP THEIR TIMELINE UP TO GET THAT SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTED OR THAT TIMING OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE STADIUM WOULD BE IN PLAY. I THINK THOSE TWO NEED TO GO HAND IN HAND JUST TO ENSURE SAFETY. I ACTUALLY USED TO LIVE ONE HOUSE IN ON STEPHENS AND I WOULD GO TO THAT ACTIVITY CENTER TO WORK OUT AND I KNOW I WALKED EVERY SINGLE TIME SO THAT'S THAT SIDEWALK. A CROSSWALK WOULD BE HELPFUL AND SAFETY COMMISSIONER NATURE YEAH. JUST A QUICK THOUGHT I GUESS I I'VE BEEN I'VE BEEN ON THAT SIDE STANDING AT PODIUM KIND OF TALKING WITH CITY GOVERNMENT BEFORE AND FULLY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU GUYS HAVE SAID TONIGHT. ALL VERY CONSTRUCTIVE. I THINK THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF GOOD POSITIVE THOUGHTS AND SUGGESTIONS. SO JUST EVERYBODY KIND OF CONTINUES TO WORK THROUGH IT AND FIGURE OUT KIND OF CLOSE WORK OUT EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE WORKED TOO SO THAT WE HAVE EVERYTHING WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION. SOUNDED LIKE YOU WERE LEANING TOWARD A MOTION. SURE IT'S A CHAIR I'VE MOVED TO IN THE CASE. P.L. 2023-157I MOVED TO HOLD OPEN PUBLIC HEARING AND CONTINUE THE ITEM TO THE NOVEMBER 30TH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. SO THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND TO HOLD OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CONTINUE THE ITEM TO THE NOVEMBER 30TH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I OPPOSED THIS ITEM IS CONTINUED TO THE NOVEMBER 30TH PLANNING COMMISSION WHICH WILL TAKE PLACE HERE IN THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT 6 P.M. AS IS THE PREROGATIVE OF THE CHAIR AS WE ARE IN OUR FOURTH HOUR I'M GOING TO CALL A TEN MINUTE RECESS SO THAT COMMISSIONERS CAN STRETCH AND USE THE FACILITIES YOU CAN . ALL RIGHT. WE ARE BACK FOR THE SECOND HALF OF THE NOVEMBER 2ND PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. ITEM NUMBER THREE IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PRIVATELY INITIATED CITY CODE AMENDMENT AND PLANNER O'DAY HAS THE PRESENTATION. THANK YOU CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS I ONLY HAVE LIKE SIX SLIDES INCLUDING INTRO AND CLOSING SO I PROMISE I WILL BE VERY BRIEF. SO ITEM THREE IN YOUR AGENDA IS FOR A PRIVATELY INITIATED CITY CODE AMENDMENT RELATED DAYCARES IN THESE C FOR ZONING DISTRICT CURRENTLY DAYCARES ARE LIMITED USE IN THE CITY CODE AND THAT DEFINITION IS A SUBORDINATE USE THAT DOES NOT CONSTITUTE MORE THAN 25% OF THE TOTAL FLOOR AREA IN A BUILDING AND RECENTLY APPLICANT ENCLAVE COMPANIES THEY WENT TO A PRE-APPLICATION AND DRC MEETING FOR A MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT PROJECT WITH A FREESTANDING THREE HOUR FREESTANDING DAYCARE BUILDING WHICH CURRENTLY UNDER THE LIMITED USE DEFINITION NOT ALLOW A FREESTANDING DAYCARE. SO THEY'RE PROPOSING TO CHANGE THE USE TABLE TO CHANGE IT FROM A LIMITED USE TO A CONDITIONAL USE WHICH REMOVES THAT SIZE LIMITATION OF COURSE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT BE REQUIRED AND WOULD GO BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL AND JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT C FOR ZONING DISTRICT THE PURPOSE AND INTENT IS ON THE SCREEN. I WON'T READ ALL OF IT BUT BASICALLY IT ENCOURAGES RESIDENTIAL USES WITHIN A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT AND ALSO SPORTS FACILITIES, HOSPITALS, K-12 SCHOOLS ARE PERMITTED IN THE C FOURS DISTRICT WHICH IS KIND OF IN LINE WITH THE DAYCARE USE. SO STAFF BELIEVES IT MEETS THE INTENT THE C FOR DISTRICT AS WELL AS MEETS THESE TYPE OF USES THAT ALREADY PERMITTED USES IN THE C FOR DISTRICT. AND THEN LASTLY JUST A NOTE ABOUT THE POST-PANDEMIC OFFICE MARKET. I'M ALSO GOING TO SAY ABOUT THAT THE PANDEMIC HAS IMPACTED THE OFFICE MARKET SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO BE FLEXIBLE ENCOURAGE INFILL DEVELOPMENT IN UNDERUTILIZED PROPERTIES SO SO WITH THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL THIS DOES GO TO CITY COUNCIL IN DECEMBER AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT BE ONLINE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THANK YOU. ARE THERE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER GOLDSON? THANK YOU CHAIR MR. DE CAN YOU PUT A MAP OF THE CITY UP AND SHOW US WHERE IN THE CITY IS ZONED C FOR FREEWAY OFFICE SURE BENEFIT OF THE FOUR PEOPLE LEFT IN CHAMBERS AND YEAH I'LL TRY TO DO IT ON THE FLY HERE SO I DON'T HAVE IT READILY UP BUT THERE ARE 118 PARCELS ZONED C FOR AND MOST OF THEM ARE LOCATED ALONG AMERICAN BOULEVARD AND 494 OH STOP SHARING SO I BELIEVE THE C FOR I'M TRYING TO FIND THE COLOR DESIGNATION PINKISH RED ISN'T THE RED IS THE PINKISH IS OH LET ME JUST MAKE SURE IT'S THE PURPLE BUT MULTIPLE DISTRICTS THAT ARE PURPLE SO YEAH NOT ENTIRELY HELPFUL BUT UM YEAH I'LL ZOOM OUT AGAIN SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S A LOT ALONG 494 AN AMERICAN BOULEVARD AND THEN SOME SCATTERED IN THE SOUTH LOOP DISTRICT I BELIEVE GLEN THANKS CHAIR SO LOOKING AT OBVIOUSLY PURPLE BUT LOOKING AT 35 W AND JUST LOOKING AT THE LYNDALE AVENUE ARE THAT PURPLE IS THAT CONSIDERED C FOR SO 35 LYNDALE HAD ITS SOUTH OF LET'S JUST SAY 90TH 98TH SORRY IS THAT THE SAME PURPLE OR IS THAT A DIFF TALKING ABOUT THAT ONE AND THEN THERE'S ONE FURTHER TO THE SOUTH SO THERE'S ONLY THREE C FOR THIS PARCEL HIGHLIGHTED AND BLUE THAT IS ZONED C FOUR AND THEN THIS PARCEL IS ALSO ZONE C FOUR. OKAY THANK YOU MR. ALBERT. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. I HAVE A QUESTION RELATED TO SO IF YOU GO BACK TO YOUR SLIDE SORT OF THE PURPOSE OF C FOUR IT TALKS ABOUT LEVELS OF INTENSITY WHICH SEEMS TO ME LIKE THAT WOULD MEAN DENSITY. SO WHAT IS IT GENERALLY IS THE DENSITY OF A DAYCARE A FREESTANDING DAYCARE WHAT AND HOW WOULD THAT BE COMPATIBLE WITH SOME OTHER USES OF THE C FOR DISTRICT MIGHT NEED A LITTLE ASSISTANCE FROM GL AND YOU KNOW OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD WHAT THE DENSITY IS YES JEROEN COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT SO FOR COMMERCIAL USES GENERALLY EXPRESSED DENSITY AS FLOOR AREA RATIO AND FREESTANDING DAYCARE YOU KNOW ON ITS OWN WITHOUT ANY BUILDING COULD BE IN THE RANGE OF I'D SAY AROUND POINT TO MAYBE POINT THREE FR TYPICALLY OR C FOR A DISTRICT HAS A MINIMUM FLOOR AREA RATIO REQUIREMENT EMPLOYED FOR 0.4. SO IN MOST CASES A DAYCARE DOES ALL BY ITSELF NOT MIXED WITH ANY OTHER USES WOULD PROBABLY NOT THE MINIMUM INTENSITY STANDARDS BUT IN THE CASE OF THE APPLICANT'S POTENTIAL POTENTIAL PROPERTY AND IN OTHER THERE COULD BE COMBINATIONS BETWEEN FREESTANDING DAYCARE AND OTHER BUILDINGS ON THE SAME SITE THAT WOULD TAKE IT ABOVE THAT MINIMUM FLOOR AREA RATIO. AND IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR SO BUT THIS IS A PRIVATELY INITIATED AMENDMENT CHANGING ALL OF THE C FOR COUNTY ZONING DISTRICTS TO ALLOW FOR CONDITIONAL USES FOR FREESTANDING DAYCARES. CORRECT. JEROME AND COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT RIGHT NOW IT IS DAYCARES ARE ALLOWED IN C FOR BUT ONLY AS A LIMITED USE AND SO TO HAVE A DAYCARE COULD NOT OCCUPY MORE THAN 25% OF A BUILDING IN THE APPLICANT'S CASE THEY ARE INTERESTED IN HAVING A MIXED USE SITE A SEPARATE BUILDING THAT'S 100% DAYCARE AND ANOTHER BUILDING 100% RESIDENTIAL. SO THERE'D BE MIXED USE ON THE SAME SITE BUT NOT IN THE SAME BUILDING. SO THIS WOULD OPEN THE DOOR ON THAT SITE TO A FREESTANDING IT WOULD ALSO OPEN THE DOOR TO ANY OTHER C4 SITES AS WELL. THEORETICALLY YOU COULD HAVE NOTHING BUT A DAYCARE IF IT WERE A VERY INTENSE DAYCARE MAYBE TWO LEVELS YOU MIGHT MEET THE MINIMUM FLOOR AREA RATIO STANDARDS. IT WOULD BE UNUSUAL I HAVEN'T SEEN A DAYCARE LIKE THAT BUT THEORETICALLY THAT'S POSSIBLE. SO THEY'RE MEETING THE FLOOR AREA RATIO GIVEN THAT IT'S A MIXED USE SITE. JEROME COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT YES. IN THE APPLICANT'S PARTICULAR THEY'D BE WELL ABOVE THE MINIMUMS. OKAY THANK Y. THEYEUESTIONSOR STAFF. OKAY THANK YOU. WI THEPA AS Y SAY THE APPLANTSOURNLIN MR. OH THE WE GO THE APPCA LIKEO SPEAK ON TSTE WE CAN QUITE HEAR YET I CAN SEE TALKING HAVING SOME ONE MOMENT WE'LL HAVE A OKAY TECHNICAL ISSUE THERE. ALL RIGHT LET'S AGAIN AND WE RE NOW THERE WE ARE WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SUPER. YEAH. NO, I APPRECIATE TIME AND THE CONSIDERATION THIS WAS JUST KIND OF A SURPRISE THAT THAT WE HAD WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH OUR DRC MEETING UM THE PROJECT THAT WAS SCHEDULED TO BE ON THIS PROPERTY WAS A MIXED USE PROJECT THAT HAD A SENIOR FACILITY, A SENIOR LIVING FACILITY AND, A DAYCARE ALL IN ONE. UM, MY STANDING JOKE IS IS IT'S CUTE WHEN YOU HAVE A DAYCARE ATTACHED TO THE SENIOR LIVING FACILITY, A DAYCARE ATTACHED TO AN APARTMENT IS NOT NEARLY AS CUTE SO WE REALLY FELT LIKE THE PROJECT NEEDED TO BE SEPARATE THE APARTMENT BUILDING UM ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE LIKED ABOUT THIS AREA FOR THE HOUSING AND ALSO FOR THE DAYCARE IS THAT WE'VE TALKED TO IS THERE IS YOU KIND OF ZOOM OUT AND LOOK AT ALL OF THE EMPLOYERS JOBS THAT ARE IN THE AREA. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF HOUSING THAT'S AVAILABLE AND THERE'S NOT A LOT OF DAYCARE CENTER WERE AVAILABLE SO WE FEEL LIKE THIS PROJECT CAN KIND OF SERVE TWO NEEDS IN THE AREA AND WHILE DISCUSSING IT WITH GLENN AND THE REST OF THE STAFF UM ALSO THOUGHT THIS MAN THIS THIS MAY END UP BEING HELPFUL WITH SOME OTHER POTENTIAL BECAUSE AS YOU SAID OBVIOUSLY OFFICE ARE READILY AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW AND FINDING OTHER OTHER POTENTIAL FOR SOME OF THAT VACANT SPACE WHILE STILL GIVING UM PLANNING AND ZONING AND THE COUNCIL THE ABILITY TO TO LOOK AT THEM INDIVIDUALLY THROUGH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT JUST SEEMED LIKE IT MADE GOOD SENSE OTHERWISE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE THANK YOU QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT . ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE THANK YOU FOR THAT. THIS ITEM IS A PUBLIC HEARING SO I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK IF THERE'S ANYONE IN THE CHAMBER WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM . ALL RIGHT. AND SEEING NONE IN THE CHAMBER IS WE HAVE ONE PERSON ONLINE IS THAT SOMEONE HERE TOO WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON JEROME AND EVERYBODY HERE IS EITHER CITY CONSULTANTS OR STAFF GREAT SO SEEING ON THE CHAMBER AND NON ONLINE I ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SO MOVE TO SECOND THANK YOU WITH A MOTION IN A SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I OPPOSED MOTION PASSES ON THIS ITEM I'LL GO AHEAD COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT THANK YOU CHAIR MY QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED REGARDING THE DENSITY LEVELS OF INTENSITY. I THINK THAT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE SPIRIT OF C-4 AND I THINK GIVEN THAT ANY FREESTANDING DAYCARE CAN'T JUST BE BUILT WITH THAT LEVEL OF INTENSITY IN C-4, IT HAS TO BE PAIRED WITH SOMETHING WITH A HIGHER LEVEL OF DENSITY AND HIGH LEVEL OF INTENSITY. I THINK I CAN SUPPORT THIS MOVING FORWARD. I AGREE. I SUPPOSE WE COULD HAVE A TWO OR THREE STOREY DAYCARE IN THEORY BUT AS LONG AS WE MEET THOSE STANDARDS I THINK THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THE ESPECIALLY THE OFFICE MARKET IS CHANGING AND WE WANT STAY AHEAD OF THAT AND NOT BE LEFT WITH VACANT BUILDINGS. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH BECAUSE WE WERE TOO STRINGENT . COMMISSIONER GOLSON, THANKS TO ONE COMMENT THAT I HAD IS I'M A VISUAL LEARNER SO I LIKE TO SEE THE MAP AND. ONE THING I LIKE ABOUT THIS IS THAT IT ALLOW CONDITIONAL APPROVAL AND REVIEW. IF WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ONE STREET YOU KNOW AMERICAN BOULEVARD, YOU KNOW, WE MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEWS ON HOW THAT SI4 WOULD BE APPLIED VERSUS WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING ON LYNDALE AVENUE AND THE RETROFIT PLAN AND THE OVERLAY THAT GOES ANG WH THAT. IN I THINK THAT THIS SEEMS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD I LIKE THAT WE STILL REVIEWING THE THE APPLICATION WHEN THEY COME TO US AND WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE SCRUTINY OVER IF IT MEETS THE THE PLAN OR MEETS THE INTENT OF OF THE LOCATION SO I'LL BE SUPPORTING THIS TODAY IN FURTHER DISCUSSION OR MOTION. COMMISSIONER COOKTOWN MR. CHAIR IN CASE APPEAL 2023-166 HAVING BEEN ABLE TO MAKE THE REQUIRED FINDINGS I MOVE TO RECOMMEND CITY COUNCIL ADOPT AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A PRIVATELY INITIATED CODE AMENDMENT TO ALLOW DAYCARES AS CONDITIONAL USES IN THE C FREEWAY OFFICE ZONING DISTRICT SECOND THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND TO RECOMMEND AN ORDINANCE TO THE CITY COUNCIL. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I OPPOSED THIS ITEM PASSES IT WILL MOVE ON TO THE DECEMBER 4TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING AS A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING AND THIS IS ANOTHER PRIVATELY INITIATED CITY CODE AMENDMENT AND PLANNER GRANDMA OLSEN HAS THE PRESENTATION . NO ONE ELSE CAN SEE IT RIGHT NOW. OKAY . OKAY . IT BROKE MY I WANT TO RUSH THROUGH IT BUT THIS IS AWKWARD NONETHELESS. IF YOU REMEMBER THE PLANNING COMMISSION THE PROPOSAL BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE B4 ZONING DISTRICT. NEXT SLIDE THE AMENDMENT IS TO ALLOW PAWN SHOPS AS A CONDITIONAL USE WITHIN THAT DISTRICT. CURRENTLY THEY'RE PROHIBITED EXCLUDE SEVERAL PIECES ARE FEEDING INTO THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT WE HAD THE ALLENDALE SUBURBAN RETROFIT PLAN BACK IN 2021 THAT WAS ADOPTED WHICH SET A VISION FOR LYNDALE AVENUE A PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY CORRIDOR WAS YOU KNOW A GOOD MIX OF AMENITIES ALONG ITS LONG STRETCH WE HAVE THE B4 ZONING DISTRICT WHICH AT REQUIRES NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL AND MIXED USES RETAIL IS PART OF THAT COMMERCIAL MIXED LYNDALE REZONINGS OCCURRED IF YOU RECALL BACK IN AUGUST FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION THEN IT WAS APPROVED IN SEPTEMBER 18TH WHICH REZONING A LOT LOTS AROUND THE INTERSECTION OF LINDELL'S INTERSECTIONS WITH 86TH AND 98TH THAT INCLUDES A PARTICULAR PARCEL HOSTS A PAWN SHOP SO THAT'S NECESSARY CONTEXT OF COURSE PAWN SHOPS THEMSELVES THEY ARE A RETAIL USE THEY'RE PROHIBITED IN BEFORE AND THERE IS A CODE SECTION RESTRICTS OR THAT PLACES CONDITIONS ON THEIR LICENSING SO NECESSARY BACKGROUND NEXT SLIDE THAT SECTION IS RIGHT HERE FOR YOU . IT DETAILS THAT NO MORE THAN ONE PER 50,000 CAN RESIDENTS CAN BE OR MORE THAN ONE ESTABLISHMENT CAN BE CAN BE CREATED FOR EACH 50,000 INHABITANTS. THIS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED DISTINCT FROM ZONING AND IT HAS A PRETTY GOOD INFLUENCE ON THE PRESENCE OF PAWN SHOPS THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND IT DOES THAT THROUGH THOSE POPULATION RESTRICTIONS POPULATION BASED RESTRICTIONS I SHOULD SAY THERE ARE TWO CURRENTLY IN BLOOMINGTON BOTH ON LYNDALE ONE IS A WAS ONE OF THOSE LOTS HAVE REASON TO JUST RECENTLY PAWN AMERICA AT 8650 LYNDALE AVENUE SOUTH NEXT SLIDE OH OH OKAY AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THE COMPATIBILITY WITH THIS PROPOSAL IN THE CONTEXT OF THE B4 DISTRICT AND YOU'LL SEE ON THE NEXT SLIDE THE RETRO RETROFIT PLAN BUT WITH THE B4 DISTRICT THAT WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2006 STAFF REVIEW MINUTES FROM THE CONSIDERATION OF THAT DISTRICT WE WERE UNABLE TO IDENTIFY ANY DISCUSSION OF PAWN SHOPS IT MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED IT JUST MAYBE IT DIDN'T MAKE THE MINUTES BUT NONETHELESS WE WERE UNABLE IDENTIFY THAT WITHIN THE DISCUSSION OF THE B4 DISTRICT SO WITH THAT IN MIND IN CONSIDERING THAT B4 ALLOWS RETAIL AND OTHER SERVICE USES WE CONSIDER PAWN SHOPS TO BE OF RETAIL USE AND SO THERE'S NO INHERENT CONFLICT IN THAT REGARD AND THEY'RE NOT AUTO ORIENTED, NOT NATURAL OR ANYTHING INHERENTLY AUTO ORIENTED ORIENTED AND SO THAT ONE CONFLICT WITH THE B4 DISTRICT IN THAT REGARD SO WE DON'T SEE ANY INCOMPATIBLE BETWEEN PAWN SHOPS AND BEFORE NEXT SLIDE AND COMPATIBILITY WITH THE RETROFIT PLAN AGAIN STAFF CAN IDENTIFY ANYTHING IN THE DISCUSSION AROUND RETROFIT PLAN THAT WOULD HAVE PROHIBITED PAWN SHOPS WITHIN THE THE EXTENT OF THE RETROFIT PLAN SO WE AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT RETAIL IS A VITAL USE TO THE MIX AS ADVOCATED IN THE PLAN. SO AGAIN IT BEING A RETAIL USE WE DON'T SEE ANY COMPATIBILITY THERE AND WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE AS FAR AS ANYTHING FROM THE PUBLIC, WE DID RECEIVE A LETTER REPRESENTATIVES OF PANAMA PANAMA OR JUST PAN AMERICA SUPPORTING THE STAFF POST CODE AMENDMENT THAT SHOULD BE IN YOUR PACKETS IF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THAT I BELIEVE REPRESENTATIVES ALSO IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT SO THEY CAN PROBABLY SPEAK ON THEIR OWN BEHALF JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THE NEXT STEPS ARE TO BRING THIS IN FRONT THE CITY COUNCIL ON DECEMBER 4TH FOR FULL ADOPTION AND IF ADOPTED IT TO ALSO CONSIDER A SUMMARY PUBLICATION OF THE AMENDMENT NEXT STEP THIS IS THE RECOMMENDED LANGUAGE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER AND WITH THAT I'LL TAKE QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER GOLDSON THANK YOU CHAIR. IN REVIEWING THE CONTENT IN THE PACKET IF IT COMMENTED ABOUT I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER THE THE LANGUAGE ABOUT YOU KNOW HOW THIS COULD HAVE BEEN BECAUSE THE NATURE OF THE PRODUCT THAT ARE BEING SOLD IS POTENTIALLY STOLEN CAN SPEAK TO THAT VERBIAGE IN THE PACKET AND JUST MORE CONTEXT OF WHAT WAS THE THE BACKGROUND OF THAT. YEAH. CHAIRWOMAN COMMISSIONER GOLTZMAN THAT WAS PULLED FROM THE MINUTES DURING DISCUSSION IN 27 WHY IT WAS BROUGHT I MEAN THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN IT WAS PROBABLY A BROAD SWATH OF REASONS BUT THAT'S SOMETHING JUST STOOD OUT BECAUSE I BELIEVE POLICE ALSO COMMENT ON THAT AND JUST TO PROVIDE SOME ASSURANCES THAT YOU KNOW, THE AMENDMENT WAS PROPERLY VETTED BY THEM BEFORE IT WAS BROUGHT BEFORE CITY COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS THAT STAFF FELT WAS WORTH MENTIONING IN IN THE STAFF REPORT BUT AS FAR AS ITS APPLICABILITY JUST CONSIDERATIO AS A RETAIL USE WE Y KNOW IT'S BEEN LONG TIME BETWEEN THEN AND NOW AND THERE'S PROBABL THE PROPER PROCEDES ARE STILL IPLACE TO MIT ANY ST OF LEGAL ACTITY THATHIS FACILITATED ROUGH THE USEF PAWNSHOPS D NETHELESS THERERE ERE ARE RESTRICTIONS IN PLACE WE HAVE A CODE SECTION PLACE WE HAVE A DIVISION OF THE CITY CODE THAT PROPERLY REGULATES PAWNSHOPS AND WE STILL HAVE THOSE RESTRICTIONS ON THE NUMBER OF ESTABLISHMENTS BASED ON POPULATION AND NOW IT'S LIMITED TO TWO AND THOSE TWO ARE ON LYNDALE. THANK YOU. FOLLOW UP JUST CLARIFICATION AS WELL AS THAT THESE LOCATIONS THESE ARE LEGALLY NON CONFORMING OR GRANDFATHERED IN CORRECT. AND SO THEY CAN CONTINUE THEIR BUSINESS. THE STICKING POINT IS THAT ANY TYPE OF RENOVATION OR EXPANSION WOULD BE PROHIBITED IN THE CURRENT STRUCTURE TODAY CHAIR ROOM AND COMMISSIONER GOLTZMAN THE LOCATION THE THE OH I CAN'T DO IT THAT DECORATIVE IT MAKES IT YEAH YEAH MAX IT IS IS THAT LOT IS ZONED B TWO SO THERE ARE CONDITIONAL USE THERE THEY'RE PERMITTED TO BE THERE THE PAWN AMERICA LOCATION WAS PART OF THOSE PARCELS THAT WAS A REASON I WAS RECENTLY TO AND I MEAN JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE THERE UPON AMERICA FROM OF AMERICA SPOKE AT THAT 17 AUGUST 17TH MEETING WHICH BROUGHT THIS TO OUR ATTENTION AND WE WORKED WITH THEM TO TO CRAFT A SOLUTION THAT WOULD WORK WHILE ALSO RESPECTING BEFORE THE RETROFIT PLAN SO YOUR THAT THEY ARE A LEGAL NONCONFORMING USE AT THE MOMENT BECAUSE THERE ZONE BEFORE AND IT DOES COME WITH CERTAIN RIGHTS TO CONTINUE IN INDEFINITELY UNLESS MAJOR UNLESS THERE IS SOMETHING DONE THAT WOULD CAUSE IT TO NEED TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE IT'S THE DISTRICT A B BEFORE SO CHAIR ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER YOU ASK IS EXPAND UPON THAT YOU DO HAVE RIGHTS TO CONTINUE A LEGAL NONCONFORMING USE EVEN AFTER DESTRUCTION YOU CAN CONTINUE IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES BUT IT'S ALL SET OUT IN STATE LAW SO THE REAL THE REAL THING IS IF IT'S LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING IT'S A PROHIBITION ON EXPANSION. SO WE DEFINE THAT IN OUR CITY CODE . SO THAT'S PROBABLY YOU KNOW I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT BUT OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR INABILITY TO EXPAND SHOULD THEY BE ILLEGALLY USE WE CHECK CODE IT DOESN'T AFFECT THEIR STATUS IF YOU'RE LEGALLY NONCONFORMING IT WOULD JUST YEAH THE LAND USE THE EXPANSION SO YEAH AND I'LL FOLLOW UP ON THAT IT WAS HIGHLIGHTED IN THEIR LETTER AND ALSO IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT THEIR INITIAL CONCERN THAT THEY BROUGHT FORTH AT THAT AUGUST 17TH MEETING WAS JUST A CONCERN ABOUT COMPLYING WITH THE RETROFIT. THEY AGAIN THEY CAN SPEAK TOWARD THAT BUT IF I CAN RECOUNT THE CONVERSATION CORRECTLY, THEY WERE JUST THEY WANTED TO BE IF THEY NEEDED TO DO ANYTHING TO THEIR PROPERTY THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS IN LINE WITH THE RETROFIT PLAN BUT NOT BE STOPPED FROM CONTINUING THE USE. OKAY, ONE MORE QUESTION. SORRY SO READING THROUGH THIS WE ALLOW RIGHT NOW TO PAWNSHOPS IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON BASED ON BUT WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE ANYTHING IN CITY CODE THIS IS HOW BIG THOSE PAWNSHOPS COULD BE AND SO JUST THINKING OUT LOUD HERE QUESTION IS IS COULD WE HAVE A PAWN SHOP MALL LIKE I'M JUST THINKING OF SOME OF THE DOWNSTREAM IMPACTS OF SOME OF THESE CHANGES THAT COULD HAPPEN NOT JUST A B FOR MAYBE I'M THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX I DON'T KNOW IT'S A QUESTION MAYBE A QUESTION MAYBE IT'S JUST A RAMBLING THOUGHT. WELL I'M SORRY IT'S OKAY. IT'S LATE BUT. THE SHORT VERSION IS THERE'S NOT WE DON'T HAVE A FOOTPRINT LIMITATION THE SIZE OF THE TWO PAWN SHOPS THAT ARE AVAILABLE CHAIR ROOM AND NOTHING WITH THAT THAT I CAN RECALL FROM DIVISION M OF CITY CODE THAT REGULATES PAWN SHOPS GLENN IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ON THAT. YEAH. CHAIRMAN COMMISSIONERS YEAH WE DON'T HAVE ANY LIMITATNS ON THE SIZE OF A PAWN SHOP. THERE WOULD BE LIMITATIONS BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE SITE OF COURSE MEANING SETBACKS AND PARKING STANDARDS BUT THEORETICALLY ON CHIP COULD BE MUCH LARGER THAN THE ONES WE HAVE TODAY TODAY. COMMISSIONER COCHRANE THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. COMMISSIONER GOLD'S BEEN BROUGHT UP PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS ABOUT POLICE WHERE. THEY CONSULTED ON THIS APPLICATION AND DID THEY HAVE ANY COMMENT? CHAIR ROHMAN COMMISSIONER I COOKED IN THEY WERE THEY WERE NOT BECAUSE IS A CHANGE TO A ZONING DISTRICT AND STAFF FELT THE RESTRICTIONS IN PLACE IN DIVISION WERE SUFFICIENT THIS IS MERELY A CONDITIONAL USE AND AGAIN IT IS A CONDITIONAL USE SO WE CAN ALSO PLACE ADDITIONAL OR WE CAN PLACE REASONABLE CONDITIONS ON IF I GETS ANOTHER 15,000 HABITS CAME INTO BLOOMINGTON AND A NEW PONCHO APPOINTED TO BE ESTABLISHED WE CAN PLACE THOSE CONDITIONS A NEW ESTABLISHMENT AND WE WOULD DO THAT AND CONSULT CONSULTATION WITH POLICE. ANOTHER QUESTION IF I MAY JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. I UNDERSTAND THE 50,000 RESIDENT THING LET'S SAY WE WERE TO ADD ANOTHER THOUSAND FOLKS TO THE SOUTH LOOP NEIGHBORHOOD. COULD WE HAVE A THIRD PARTY UP THERE IN THE CITY AS YOU GET TO 100,000 AND WHAT I WOULD BELIEVE THAT IS A CORRECT CORRECT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO UNDER 100,000 RIGHT. LIKE YOU DID WE MESSED THAT UP AND IT SHOULD BE ONLY ONE OR IS IT ONCE YOU CROSS THE THRESHOLD THEN YOU CAN HAVE ANOTHER ONE GET TWO X HERE. SO JEROME AND COMMISSIONER CURTIN YEAH SOON AS THE POPULATION CRISIS 100,000 THERE COULD BE ANOTHER APPLICATION FOR A PUNJAB IN ONE OF THE TOWERS IN THE SOUTH LOOP. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF THANK YOU. WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? JEROME AND JUST A CLARIFICATION THE CITY IS THE APPLICANT IN THIS CASE SORRY THE CITY COUNCIL REQUESTED THAT WE BRING FORWARD THE AMENDMENT OF PUBLICLY INITIATED THAT'S MY SORRY. YEP YEP. MY MISTAKE SINCE THE CITY IS THE APPLICANT WE WILL MOVE TO A PUBLIC HEARING IS THERE ANYONE IN THE CHAMBERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM ? PRETTY MUCH SO. GOOD EVENING COMMISSION COMMISSIONERS MY NAME IS BRETT SWARTZBERG HERE ON BEHALF OF PAN AMERICA AND THE RELATED ENTITY OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. YEAH, JUST ONE THING TO CLARIFY ON THE EXPANSE IN QUESTION OR THE EXPANSION COMMENT, IT'S IT'S AN EXPANSION THE USE NOT AN EXPANSION OF THE STORE OR PAWN SHOP WHICH WOULD MEAN SO UNDER THE ZONING CODE AN EXPANDED USE MEANS YOU KNOW MOVING AND I CAN'T QUOTE DIRECTLY RIGHT NOW BUT IT'S IN MY LETTER FOR FOR THE CITY LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING BUT IT'S IT'S MOVING THE USE TO ANY AREA OF THE PROPERTY THAT WASN'T PREVIOUSLY SUBJECT TO THAT USE SO WHERE THE LIKE THE BUILDING CURRENTLY IS YOU CAN MOVE THE BUILDING OR SHRINK IT AND MOVE IT ANYWHERE IN THAT AREA BUT YOU CAN'T MOVE IT OUTSIDE OF THAT AREA SO YOU KNOW WITH THE RETROFIT PLAN WANTING TO MOVE STOREFRONTS CLOSER TO LYNDALE AVENUE OR YOU KNOW, HAVING MAYBE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPER COME IN AND PUT IN MULTIFAMILY ABOVE WITH THE STOREFRONTS BELOW I MEAN IF WE WANTED TO YOU KNOW, PARTICIPATE IN THAT AND SHRINK OUR FLOOR PLAN OR MOVE IT CLOSER TO THE STREET LIKE OTHER BUSINESSES WOULD BE PERMITTED TO DO UNDER THE ZONING IF IT'S A PROHIBITED USE WE CAN'T DO THAT. THAT WOULD BE AN EXPANSION OUR USE UNDER THE ZONING CODE . SO THAT'S WHY THIS IS YOU KNOW, AN ISSUE AND IF IT'S A PROHIBITED USE THE CITY COUNCIL COULDN'T EVEN I MEAN THEIR HANDS WOULD BE TIED IN THAT REGARD AS WELL. SO YOU KNOW WITH THE ADVENT OF E-COMMERCE BEING SO HOT RIGHT NOW IT'S I MEAN A RETAIL SPACE IF IT IF WE WERE TO GO ANYWHERE ANY WAY WE WOULDN'T MOVE TOWARD UPON MALL IT'D BE MORE TOWARD A SMALLER FLOOR PLAN AND AND HAVING A MORE ROBUST ONLINE PRESENCE. SO I MEAN YEAH BUT I WANTED TO SAY THAT TIME WAS NOT GOING IN MY JUST TOO CLOSE WE REALLY APPRECIATE STAFF INVOLVEMENT HERE IT'S BEEN WE APPRECIATE THE TIME AND EFFORT FROM PLANNER AMIR AND SENIOR PLANNER JOHNSON AND PLANNING MANAGER MARKET HAD VERY PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM AND AND LIKE THE CREATIVE SOLUTIONS THEY CAME UP WITH SO VERY APPRECIATIVE THANKS FOR YOUR TIME I JUST WANT TO SAY WE SUPPORT STAFF RECOMMENDATION HERE AS WELL THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANYONE ELSE WE'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. ALL RIGHT. THE WINDOWS DOWN BUT IS THERE ANYONE ELSE ONLINE? IS GRAHAM PARKER IN THE CONTROL ROOM. CAN YOU SHRINK TO A PARTIAL SCREEN SO WE CAN CHECK FOR ANY PEOPLE ON LINE BY STOP SCREEN SHARING OR. THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT. WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE EVERYONE THERE IS STAFF CORRECT OR APPLICANT. ALL RIGHT. SO SEEING THAT I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SO SECOND ALL RIGHT WE HAVE A MOTION OF THE SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY DISCUSSION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I OPPOSED MOTION DISCUSSIO COMMISSIONER CLION THANK MR. CHAIR. MR. RAYMOND ALSO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. ARE THERE FINDINGS WE HAVE TO MAKE FOR THIS APPLICATION OR WHAT ARE WE USING TO MAKE OUR DECISIONS EVEN BECAUSE IT'S JUST A CODE AMENDMENT? SO IT'S LIKE JUST LIKE THE PREVIOUS ONE WHERE WE WERE RECOMMENDING A CHANGE TO THE CODE JUST LIKE THE DAY CARE ONE BEFORE IT'S THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF LATITUDE IN TERM AND IN THE PREVIOUS WELL THE FIRST TWO ITEMS YOU WERE WEARING DIFFERENT HAT YOU WEARING YOUR QUASI JUDICIAL HAT ON THIS ITEM YOU'RE WEARING YOUR LEGISLATIVE HAT SO YOU HAVE BROAD DISCRETION AND THERE'S NO FINDINGS THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO MAKE. IT'S WHETHER YOU THINK THIS CODE AMENDMENT IS POSITIVE FOR THE CITY. THANK YOU THESE ARE TIMES WHERE WE GET TO HAVE AN OPINION. I THINK I'M I AM GLAD I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THIS AND I WAS NOT HERE ON THE 17TH OF AUGUST WHEN THIS WAS WHEN THE REZONING WAS THERE. BUT I REMEMBER WHEN WE HAD THE STUDY SESSION I REMEMBER ASKING ESSENTIALLY SPECIFICALLY ABOUT SPECIFIC USE OF THIS SPECIFIC LOCATION AND AT THE TIME I REMEMBER I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER WAS BUT I FELT LIKE OH WELL WE'RE NOT THIS THIS ABILITY FOR THIS BUSINESS TO CONTINUE AND SO IT SOUNDS LIKE MORE THOUGHT HAD BEEN GIVEN TO IT. I THINK THIS IS A REASONABLE PATH FORWARD. I, I PERSONALLY AM FINE WITH THIS OF A USE AND IN A BUSINESS AREA AND CAN SUPPORT IT . THE OTHER DISCUSSION OR EMOTION COMMISSIONER COOKSON THANKS CHAIR MY PLANNING COMMISSIONER MY PLANNING COMMISSION MENTOR TOMMY NOT BE AFRAID TO THINK DIFFERENTLY AND SO I FEEL LIKE A STICK IN THE MUD BUT THE BEFORE THE ZONING DISTRICT ONE OF THE INTENTIONS IS TO RESTRICT INCOMPATIBLE USES WHICH CERTAINLY LEAVES A LOT OF INTERPRETATION ON OUR VISION FOR LYNDALE AVENUE IS WALKABLE PEDESTRIAN FOCUSED RESIDENTIAL HEAVY NEIGHBORHOODS AND I'M JUST NOT SURE UPON SHOP IS COMPATIBLE WITH THAT THAT'S MY THOUGHT I DON'T KNOW A PAWNSHOP IS COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE THERE. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH KEEPING THEM IN THEIR EXISTING FORM ALLOWING THEM TO CONTINUE AS A NON-CONFORMING BUSINESS AND THEY CAN CONTINUE TO UPDATE SHOP AS LONG AS THEY DON'T EXPANDED ETC. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF I'M INTERESTED EXPANDED PAWN SHOPS IN THE LYNDALE AVENUE RETROFIT PLAN. COMMISSIONER GOLSON THANK YOU CHAIR COMMISSIONER CAPTAIN YOU AND I DON'T AGREE ON A LOT OF THINGS BUT I AGREE WITH YOU AND I. I STRUGGLED WITH THIS ONE BECAUSE I SEE BOTH SIDES OF THE COIN BUT WHEN I THINK ABOUT THE LYNDALE RETROFIT PLAN AND WHAT WE ENVISION I DON'T I SEE A PAWNSHOP I CURRENTLY STRUGGLE WITH THE CURRENT CITY CODE ON THE 50,000 THRESHOLDS BUT THERE'S NO SIZE AND SO YOU COULD HAVE A WAL-MART SIZED PAWN SHOP IN THEORY AND THAT BOTHERS ME . BUT I JUST I THINK WE NEED WHEN WE PUT THE THE RETROFIT PLAN IN PLACE WE HAD A VISION AND I'D LIKE TO STICK TO THAT AS CLOSELY AS WE CAN AND I JUST DON'T SEE I JUST CAN'T SUPPORT A PAWN SHOP FOR AS WE ENVISIONED IT WHEN WE APPROVED IT. COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT THANK YOU CHAIR. I TOO WAS HAVING AN ISSUE WITH THIS ONE UNTIL I HEARD FROM PAWN AMERICA AND THEIR IDEA OF WHAT A PAWN SHOP MIGHT LOOK LIKE AND AS FIRST FLOOR RETAIL OF A MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING AND THOUGHT ABOUT THAT I'M NOT SURE THAT'S A COMPELLING USE I'M NOT SURE THAT RETAIL BELOW MULTIFAMILY WORKS REGARDLESS AS WE HAVEN'T SEEN A LOT OF SUCCESS THERE BUT I ALSO THAT HAS NOW GOT ME A LITTLE BIT WAFFLING ON THIS ONE SO I GOING TO STOP THERE AND, CONTINUE LISTENING . COMMISSIONER CURRY THE CHAIR SO I MEAN I GUESS A MY A CONCERN WOULD BE HAVING A MY IF THE USE WAS EXPANDED THAT WOULD BE A CONCERN. I THINK THE CURRENT FOOTPRINT IS PRETTY SMALL IF THERE WERE A NUMBER OF PINE SHOPS ON THE SAME STREET THAT WOULD ALSO BE A CONCERN OF MINE. AGAIN JUST ONE THE CURRENT ONE I GUESS I HEARD OF ANY ISSUES WITH IT WE HAVE I HAVEN'T ASKED ABOUT IT BUT SO I GUESS I'M KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE ON IT. I DON'T I HAVEN'T HEARD OF ANY ISSUES BUT DEFINITELY WOULDN'T EXPECT MORE PAWN SHOPS ON LYNDALE AVENUE AS PART OF THE AS PART OF THE RETROFIT PLAN. YEAH I YEAH I MAYBE I'M AGAIN I AM AND THEN THE OF THE COIN HERE YOU KNOW I MEAN I KNOW THERE IS A PROBABLY A HISTORICAL STIGMA OR A PERCEPTION OF A PAWN SHOP BUT THE AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE HERE IS THE SHOP PAWN BEFORE BUT MAYBE I'M THE ONLY BUT IT IT'S NOT ALL THAT DIFFERENT THAN INSTANT REPLAY SPORTS ON 90TH AND PENN RIGHT PEOPLE HAVE THINGS THEY DON'T NEED ANYMORE AND THEY SELL THEM AND THEN A BUSINESS TURNS AROUND AND RESELL THEM IS THERE THE CASE THE THINGS THAT MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, SUSPECT FOR SURE THERE IS THE SAME CASE FOR SOMEONE WHO MIGHT BE HAVE STOLEN MY SKIS OFF THE BACK OF MY CAR AND SOLD THEM TO INSTANT SPORTS NOT PICKING OUT INSTANT REPLAY SPORTS PLEASE. IT'S JUST IT'S A LOCAL BUSINESS THAT WE CAN RELATE TO THAT'S ALSO ON A CORRIDOR RIGHT. AND SO FOR ME THIS IS A RETAIL E LIKE ANY OTHER RETAIL USE AND IF Y'VE GOT BUSESS AT W DON'T HAVE A HTORY COMPLAINTS OF PROBLEMS AND THEY WANT TO RNVEST IN THE CITY AND WE'VE GOT STRICTIONS LIMITATIONS ON HOW THAT CAN AND CAN'T GET OUT OF CONTROL I GUESS FOR ME I AM OKAY WITH BEING IN A DIFFERENT PLACE ON THIS ONE THAN OTHERS BUT THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I'M AT . COMMISSIONER MCGOVERN I'M SORRY I ECHO WHAT YOU SAY. THANK YOU , COMMISSIONER UPTON . THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. YOU KNOW I'VE SAT HERE BEFORE AND SAID SHOULDN'T ANTICIPATE BAD THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO HAPPEN BEFORE THEY DO. IN SOME WAYS IT'S A LITTLE UNFAIR OF ME TO ACKNOWLEDGE PAWNSHOPS, IF YOU WILL. I THINK THE DIFFERENCE FOR ME HERE A THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF LATITUDE ON THIS APPLICATION AND B THAT PERCEPTION IS REALITY. AND SO AS I WAS DRIVING OVER HERE TONIGHT I ASKED MYSELF THE QUESTION I WAS LOOKING FOR AN APARTMENT WHICH WAS NOT SO LONG AGO AND IT WAS NEXT TO A PAWN SHOP. WOULD THAT AFFECT MY DECISION OF WHETHER I WANT TO MOVE INTO THAT APARTMENT BUILDING OR WOULD I PERHAPS LOOK ELSEWHERE? AND SPEAKING FOR MYSELF IS JUST MY OWN PERCEPTION OF THE WORLD IS THAT I FOUND MYSELF THINKING I WOULD PROBABLY LOOK ELSEWHERE AND THAT IS THEN IMPACTFUL TO OUR VISION FOR THE LYNELL AVENUE RETROFIT PLAN AND BECAUSE WE HAVE THE AMOUNT OF LATITUDE WE HAVE I DON'T WANT TO DAMAGE THE VISION OF THIS CORRIDOR AND IT'S NOT LIKE THIS ONE THING IS GOING TO RECORD BUT EVEN IF IT HAS A SMALL IMPACT I'M VERY SENSITIVE TO LYNDALE AVENUE AND WHAT THAT VISION IS AND SINCE WE HAVE THE ABILITY AND WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS YOU KNOW WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE ANY FINDINGS WE THIS IS AN OPTION US WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS. I LEAN TOWARDS NOT DOING THIS TRICKERY JUST THINKING OUT LOUD HERE SO IF THEY REMAIN A NON COMPATIBLE USE THEY'RE ABLE TO EXPAND THE USE OR MOVE WITH IT WITHIN THE SAME OUTSIDE OF THE FOOTPRINT IN THE ZONE. HOWEVER THEY COULD MOVE TO B TO CORRECT WHERE THAT HAS A COMPATIBLE USE SO THEY COULD STILL CONTINUE TO OPERATE THE BUSINESS IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON JUST IN A DIFFERENT ZONE WHICH IS NOT THEN ON LYNDALE SITE CORRECT? JERRY ROHMAN COMMISSIONER ANN CURRY THEY COULD LOOK AT ANOTHER LOCATION CERTAINLY IF THEY WANTED TO SAY EXPAND OR SWITCH LOCATIONS THEY WOULD NEED TO GO THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS FOR THAT. IN OTHER WORDS, THE LICENSE DOESN'T TRANSFER TO ANOTHER LOCATION SO IT WOULD BE A NEW REVIEW ONE NOTE AND A CHANGE IN THE LOCATION ON SITE YOU CAN REPLACE BUILDING AS LONG AS IT'S SUBSTANTIALLY EQUIVALENT TO THE EXISTING BUILDING. SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF LATITUDE IF IT'S MOVING SLIGHTLY AND MAYBE IT'S CLOSER TO THE STREET BUT YOUR FOOTPRINT IS ROUGHLY THE SAME . THEORETICALLY IT COULD BE DONE IN A WAY THAT'S SUBSTANTIALLY EQUIVALENT AND. CHAIR COMMISSIONERS THE YOU KNOW THE IT'S NOT LIKE EXPANSION IS IT'S PROHIBITED IT'S JUST THAT YOU HAVE WHEN YOU DO EXPAND YOU HAVE TO BE COMPLIANT WITH CURRENT CITY CODE . SO I MEAN THERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND THE INTENT IS TO MAKE IT MORE COMPATIBLE IN THE IN THE B4 DISTRICT THAT WOULD LIKELY BE MET BECAUSE THEY NEED TO MEET THEY EXPAND AS BE COMPLIANT WITH CITY CODE SO THAT'S ANOTHER THOUGHT THERE . OKAY. QUESTION BUT THEY CAN'T. MR. CHAIR THEY CAN'T EXPAND IF IT'S A NON ALLOWABLE USE. JEROME AND COMMISSIONER CAPTAIN THAT'S CORRECT AS A AS A LEGALLY NONCONFORMING USE THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO EXPAND THEY COULD THEORETICALLY MOVE SLIGHTLY OR AS LONG AS IT'S SUBSTANTIAL OR EQUIVALENT THAT INCLUDES HEIGHT THEY CAN'T PUT A SECOND FLOOR ON THIS THING. A THEORETICAL APPLICANT COULD NOT PUT A SECOND FLOOR ON THEIR EXISTING PAWNSHOP AND BE STRUCTURALLY NON-SIGNIFICANT. YEAH. COMMISSIONER IT COULD TURN. THEY'D NEED TO REVIEW THE DEFINITION OF EXPANSION BUT THERE MAY BE A LIMITATION ON SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE IN HEIGHT I'M NOT SURE HAVE A CLEAR SENSE OF WHERE WE'RE AT BUT WE COULD TRY ONE MOTION AND SEE WHERE THAT GOES AND IF NOT WE CAN TRY ANOTHER MOTION. COMMISSIONER JUST TO ADD ON TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING SORRY THERE COMMITTEE CHAIR AND COMMISSIONER COOKED IN BUT YEAH AN INCREASE IN THE SITE AREA DEVOTED TO THE USE WOULD CONSTITUTE AN EXPANSION SO ANOTHER FLOOR WOULD. SORRY I WAS READING MOTION WOULD NOT COULD YOU REPEAT THAT AGAIN SIR. ADDING ANOTHER FLOOR WOULD CONSTITUTE AN EXPANSION BECAUSE IT'S MORE MORE AREA DEVOTED TO THE USE. MR. CHAIR, I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION IF I COULD JUST HAVE A SECOND TO COLLECT MY THOUGHTS HERE. SURE, GO AHEAD. OKAY. I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION AND THEN PERHAPS ASK MR. TOSCHI IF THIS IS MEETING MY INTENT IN CASE 2023-170I MOVE TO RECOMMEND I MOVE TO NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE CITY CODE TO ALLOW PAWN SHOPS AS A CONDITIONAL USE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL CENTER BEFORE SECOND OKAY WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION SPEAK VERY CLEARLY ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF NOT RECOMMENDING THE CHANGE SAY I I OPPOSED NO MOTION PASSES SHE HASN'T THERE WAS A NO WE HAD AFFORDED TO I WAS FOR THE THE LIP READING SO THE MOTION NOT RECOMMEND PASSES THIS ITEM WILL MOVE ON TO THE DECEMBER FOURTH CITY COUNCIL MEETING AS A PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU. WE ARE GOING TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF SHUFFLING ON OUR AGENDA AND I'M GOING TO JUMP TO ITEM SIX TO ASNTER OUR FIFTH HOUR WE HAVE SOME CONSULTANTS WHO ARE HELPING US WITH NUMBER SIX WHICH IS OUR ELECTRIC VEHICLE INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN. WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR HANSON AND SOMEONE WHOSE NAME IS NOT ON MY SHEET SO I WON'T PRETEND TO KNOW WHO THEY ARE. THAT'S QUITE ALL RIGHT. I WILL INTRODUCE MARK HERE IN A SECOND. GOOD EVENING. COMMISSION. I KNOW IT'S OUT HERE REAL QUICK. MR. CHAIR, IF I COULD INTERRUPT FOR JUST A SECOND YOU MAY TO OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE REQUIRE US TO MAKE SOME FORM OF MOTION OR OTHER THINGS TO EXTEND PAST 10:00 I REMEMBER IT'S 11:00. 11:00. OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. SO AGAIN MY NAME IS BRIAN HANSEN DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR HERE IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON ENGINEERING DIVISION AND WITH ME THIS EVENING IS MARK GALLAGHER WITH SRF CONSULTING. SO THIS EVENING WE ARE PRESENTING TO YOU THE DRAFT PLAN OF THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN. SO JUST A LITTLE QUICK BACKGROUND ON THAT STAFF WAS ASKED TO PUT TOGETHER A PLAN FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE ENTIRE CITY THE PURPOSE THIS PLAN WAS TO EVALUATE ELECTRIC VEHICLE INFRASTRUCTURE KIND OF HOLISTICALLY TO DATE WE HAD SOME INITIATIVES IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY THAT WERE KIND OF PIECEMEAL TOGETHER WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A ROBUST VISION FOR HOW ELECTRIC VEHICLE INFRASTRUCTURE COULD BE SUPPORTED IN THE CITY OF AND THIS PLAN WILL HOPE TO ACHIEVE AND WE HOPE TO USE THIS PLAN TO HELP LEVERAGE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES ARE AVAILABLE CURRENTLY FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLE ELECTRIC VEHICLE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS AND ALSO TO INCLUDE ELECTRIC VEHICLE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS AND ALREADY PROGRAM IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS AS WELL. WELL BACKGROUND TO HOW WE CAME TO BE THIS EVENING. WE DID SEND AN RFP FOR CONSULTANTS TO ASSIST US WITH THIS PROJECT IN DECEMBER OF 22 THAT RFP WE DID AWARD THAT CONTRACT TO SRF CONSULTING AND WE FINALIZED THAT CONTRACT IN FEBRUARY AND THEN BEGIN WORK IN MARCH OF 2023. WE ARE BRINGING THE DRAFT PLAN TO A COUPLE OF BOARDS AS WELL AS THE CITY COUNCILS HERE THE FIRST BOARD BEFORE. SO LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR FEEDBACK THIS EVENING AND WE PLAN TO HAVE THE FINAL PLAN BACK TO THOSE SAME BOARDS COMMISSIONS WITH ULTIMATELY BRINGING A FINAL PLAN TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THEIR RECOMMENDATION IN JANUARY OF 24. AND IF IT'S OKAY WITH THE WITH THE COMMISSION THIS EVENING, OUR PLAN IS TO DO A SHORT PRESENTATION THAT MARK WILL GIVE HERE KIND OF HIGHLIGHTING THE PLAN IN GENERAL WE DO HAVE SOME FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS TO SOLICIT SOME CONVERSATION FROM THE COMMISSION AFTER THE PRESENTATION AND AS WELL WILL BE OPEN FOR QUESTIONS AND ADDITIONAL COMMENTS IN THE COMMISSION AT THAT TIME AS WELL. SO WITH THAT I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MARK AND LET ME JUST GIVE US INTRODUCTION HERE. HELLO EVERYONE AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY SPEAK WITH YOU TONIGHT IN THE INTEREST OF NOT TRYING THE COMMISSION'S PATIENCE OR FURTHER ANTAGONIZING THE PERSON VACUUMING OUTSIDE I BE BRIEF A FEW QUICK OVERVIEW WHAT I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT ARE SOME QUICK INTRODUCTIONS AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT AND THE PROCESS THAT WE USE SOME OF THE BITS THE DRAFT IT'S A FAIRLY EXPANSIVE SUBJECT SO WE DON'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO INTO GREAT DETAIL ON A SUMMARY HERE BUT THEN TALKING ABOUT A SCHEDULE AND THE NEXT STEPS AND SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE STARTING TO ARISE OUT OF THIS PROCESS THAT BRIAN ALLUDED ARE AS BRIAN SAID I'M MARK GALLAGHER. I STARTED AS A PLANNER YEARS AND YEARS AGO DRIFTED INTO TECHNOLOGY AS THEY SAY IN THE GODFATHER. THEY KEEP DRAGGING ME BACK IN NOW I'M BACK INTO EB PLANNING. I DID WANT TO RECOGNIZE SOME OTHER MEMBERS OF THE TEAM THAT CERTAINLY SOME OF THE FOLKS HERE AT BLOOMINGTON HAVE ENCOUNTERED. VARIAN IS A PERSON WHO DEALS HEAVILY WITH THINGS LIKE EQUITY RESILIENCE STUFF LIKE THAT. SO HE'S VERY VALUABLE TO THE TEAM AND JOHNO IS THE HEAD OF OUR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT GROUP AT SRF AND HE WAS A REAL KEY IN BRINGING THIS FORWARD. ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTIONS I ASKED WHEN WE BEGAN THIS PROCESS AND THIS IS A HORRIBLE FOR A CONSULTANT TO ASK A CLIENT IS WHY WE NEED THIS PLAN. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE ALREADY SITTING IN THE ROOM. WE'VE ALREADY GOT A CONTRACT WHAT IS THIS FOR? AFTER ALL, THERE WAS NEVER A GAS STATION PLAN. WHY DO YOU NEED AN EV INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN? AND THE DISCUSSION WAS INTERESTING. THERE ARE SEVERAL THINGS THAT MAKE THIS VERY RELEVANT FROM A PUBLIC STANDPOINT. THE FIRST TWO ITEMS ON THIS LIST IT'S PART OF AN OVERALL STRATEGY. IT'S PART OF AN OVERALL PLAN. IT'S A PART OF AN OVERALL CLIMATE PLAN AND I MENTIONED WITH ASH THERE ARE A NUMBER OF EQUITY ISSUES THAT BEGIN TO SURFACE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE CITY BECOMING INVOLVED IN DEPLOYING INFRASTRUCTURE OUT THERE BEYOND THAT WE NEED TO DEAL WITH THE SPECIFICS. CHARGERS CAN BE ON CITY PROPERTY. THERE'S A FEW IN THE PARKING LOT HERE IN MINNEAPOLIS. SAINT THERE THERE'S EVEN CHARGES AT THE CURBSIDE THOSE SORTS OF THINGS DIRECTLY AFFECT WHAT HAPPENS AT THE MUNICIPAL LEVEL. THERE'S THE CITY FLEET ITSELF WHICH HAS ALREADY BEGAN TO GET ITS TOLLS WENT INTO MOVING INTO ELECTRIC VEHICLES. THEY JUST TOOK DELIVERY ON THEIR FIRST EV PICKUPS. BUT BEYOND THE VEHICLES THERE'S HOW DO YOU MANAGE THEIR FLEET? WHERE DO YOU CHARGE IT? WHAT IS THE ELECTRICAL SERVICE ONE NEEDS TO DO THAT HOW DO YOU TRAIN YOUR OPERATORS TO MAINTAIN THESE THINGS WHEN THEY HAVE TOTALLY DIFFERENT DRIVE TRAINS GETTING INTO OF THE MORE PLANNER AND AS WE TALKED ABOUT A LEGISLATIVE THING THERE'S ALL THE STANDARDS THIS IF YOU'RE GOING TO AOW THE SOR OTHIN ONUBLIC PROPERTY WHERE CAN THEY BE? WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO LOOK LIKE? WHAT IS PERMITTED IS NOT WHAT IS THE SIGNING NEED TO LOOK LIKE FOR THESE THINGS AND THERE'S SOME STANDARDS ALREADY EMERGING OUT. WE ALL JUST CALL IT THE MUTT BUT IT'S THE MINNESOTA MANUAL ON UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES AND THEY'VE GOT SOME GUIDANCE IN THERE. HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT THAT GUIDANCE IS FOLLOWED AS WITH ALL OTHER DESIGN STANDARDS AND THEN THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS AROUND RESIDENTIAL DEPLOYMENTS AND MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING IS A BIG ISSUE FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE GARAGES. HOW THEY DEAL WITH THIS. WHAT IS THE CITY'S ROLE IN ADDRESSING ISSUE IF ANY? WHAT SORT OF CODE GOES WITH THIS? THIS HAS BEEN A BIG DEAL OUT IN CALIFORNIA WHERE THERE ARE ,YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE BUILDING CODES STUFF TO TO DO MAKE READIES IN AND OUT THERE THAT DO REQUIRE THERE'S A LEGISLATIVELY IN MINNESOTA WE CAN'T REQUIRE A HOME BE EQUIPPED WITH A CHARGER BUT THOSE ARE ALL EVOLVING AND WHAT SORT OF INCENTIVES CAN THE CITY BE INVOLVED WITH EITHER FOR PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS OR OR EVEN COMMERCIAL DEPLOYMENTS OF CHARGERS. SO IN ANSWERING THE QUESTION WIRED THERE TURNED OUT TO BE QUITE A FEW THINGS THAT WERE REALLY RELEVANT AT THE CITY GOVERNMENT LEVEL. SO WHAT DID WE HOPE TO GET OUT OF THIS PROCESS? NUMBER ONE IS WHAT ARE THE CURRENT CONDITIONS YOU KNOW NOT ONLY WHERE ARE THE CHARGERS, WHERE IS A FLEET AND AGAIN THEY'RE STARTING TO TRICKLE IN ELECTRIC VEHICLES. BUT WHAT'S THE REGULATORY OUT THERE AROUND THIS? I MENTIONED THINGS LIKE BUILDING WHAT IS PERMITTED IN MINNESOTA, WHAT'S NOT WHAT SORT OF INCENTIVES ARE AVAILABLE, WHAT ARE NOT AVAILABLE THIS POINT WE ALSO WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE ENGAGED THE STAKEHOLDERS WE DID A FEW EVENTS THERE WHERE MOSTLY WE WANTED TO KNOW NUMBER ONE WHY ARE PEOPLE USING OR NOT USING ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ANSWERS TO THAT QUESTION AND PERHAPS MORE RELEVANT WHAT DID THEY WANT FROM THE CITY WHEN? IT COMES TO DEALING WITH ELECTRIC VEHICLE INFRASTRUCTURE THINGS LIKE CHARGING FROM THERE YOU CAN START TO TALK ABOUT OKAY GREAT WHERE ARE THE ACTION AREAS? WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT ANY THESE THINGS? AND IT REALLY BOILS DOWN TO TWO THINGS THERE'S THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT YOU ARE INVOLVED WITH DEPLOYING ELECTRIC SERVICES OR THE CHARGERS, THE VEHICLES, THINGS LIKE THAT AND THEN THERE'S THE REGULATORY SIDE. YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE RULES AROUND PUTTING THESE THINGS OUT IN THE WORLD? AND LASTLY WE END UP WITH A ROAD FOR NEXT STEPS BECAUSE THIS TOPIC IS SO ALL JUST THAT IN JUST A SECOND THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW DO WE DIVIDE THIS UP INTO CHUNKS THAT CAN GET ACTION PLANS. THIS IS THIS IS MORE OF A STRATEGY APPROACH. HERE'S A GREAT EXAMPLE OF WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT WITH ISSUES THE PURPLE SHADED AREAS COME OUT OF THE OH THE EPA HAS WHAT IT E.G. TOOL OR EEG SCREEN WHERE YOU CAN PLUNK IN A NUMBER OF VARIABLES AND START TO GET THESE SCORES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH UNDERSERVED DISADVANTAGE ENVIRONMENTAL I THINK ASH USED TRAFFIC HOUSEHOLD INCOME AND GOT ONE OTHER VARIABLE THERE'S LIKE 18 VARIABLES YOU CAN PLUG IN BUT ANYWAY THIS STARTS TO SHOW YOU THE SORTS OF ANALYSIS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT YOU KNOW WHERE WE SEE UNDERSERVED COMMUNITIES WHERE IS CHARGING AVAILABLE AND YOU CAN THERE'S A FAIR MISMATCH BETWEEN THOSE THINGS. SO THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF ISSUES THAT WE'RE STARTING TO LOOK AT WITH THIS PLAN IN TERMS OF HOW WE APPROACH THE PROJECT. I WON'T GET INTO THE DEEP DETAILS BUT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER WE HAD TO DEVELOP SOME SORT OF TAXONOMY ON THIS TOPIC. HOW DO YOU DIVIDE IT UP INTO CHUNKS YOU CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT? AND WHAT WE CAME UP WITH WERE THESE NUMBER ONE THE FLEET ITSELF. HOW DOES THE CITY MOVE FORWARD WITH EVENTUALLY MOVING PROBABLY THE MAJORITY OF AT LEAST THE LIGHT DUTY VEHICLES TO ELECTRIC? HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH PUBLIC CHARGING THINGS THAT THE CITY IS DIRECTLY WITH EITHER ON CITY PROPERTY OR YOU'RE ACTUALLY OUT AND MAKING THESE THINGS APPEAR AT THE ROADSIDE HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH PRIVATE AND OR COMMERCIAL CHARGING HOUSEHOLDS MULTI-FAMILY HOUSEHOLDS COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IT'S LIKE THAT. WHAT ARE THE RULESHAT ARE THE INCENTIVES CHARGING HAS T DO WITH HOW CAN WE LOOK FORWARD INTO THINGS LIKE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT AND INTEGRATE THE INFRASTRUURE THAT IT'S KD OF A ONE TOH APPROH? YOU KW IF YOU DECIDE AT PARK X YOU DO WANT THESE CHAERS AN YOU HAV A PLA TO REDO THE AREA TRE, H CAN YOU INTEGRATE THE UNDERGROUND FRASTRUCRE, THGS LIKE TH AND WHAT CAN BE DONE FM THE ADMINISTRATIVE TOAKE THINGS LIKEERMIT ALICAON PERMIT REVIEW INSCTION EASIER AN THE LAST BITS DESIGN YOU OW WHAT WHAT DO THE THIS LOOK LIK WHE CAN THEY BE? AND THERE A A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT APPROACS THAT ONE CAN TE T DNG SO. HAVING SOME SORT OF RULE THAT THE WORLD CAN FOLLOW IS IMPORTANT. A QUICK VIEW OF WHERE WE ARE AS BRIAN MENTIONED, WE'RE AT THE DRAFT PLAN STAGE NOW. WE INTEND FINISH UP BY THE END OF THE YEAR THE. NEXT STEPS TO GET THERE ARE OUTLINED HERE. EVERYBODY CAN READ KNOWS CALENDAR SO EVENTUALLY BY JANUARY 29TH WE INTEND TO GET IN FRONT OF THE CITY COUNCIL QUICK NOTES ON CONTENT AND AGAIN WE HAVE TO GIVE THIS SHORT SHRIFT JUST BECAUSE OF BEING RESPECTFUL OF TIME AND THE REALITIES. WHAT WE HAVE HERE IN EACH OF OUR FIVE AREAS WE TRIED TO IDENTIFY SOME GOALS AND THERE'S A BIG LIST HERE AND AGAIN TRYING TO BE RESPECTFUL OF EVERYBODY'S PATIENCE IN THE LATE HOUR. I WON'T READ THEM TO YOU BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT THESE RANGE FROM THINGS LIKE THE CLIMATE GOALS THAT THE CITY ALREADY HAS TO GETTING IN TO BEING AN ATTRACTIVE DESTINATION TO BEING ACCESSIBLE, MAKING SURE THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS WHEN THEY DEPLOY THESE THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW THINGS LIKE EPA GUIDANCE AND MAKING THINGS JUST SORT OF EASY AND CONSISTENT AND YOU KNOW TO THE EARLIER DISCUSSION, THE ESTHETICS KNOW HOW DO THEY BLEND INTO THIS BUILT ENVIRONMENT AND HOW DO THEY MAINTAIN AN ATTRACTIVE STREETSCAPE? SO THAT BRINGS ME BASICALLY THROUGH THE PRESENTATION AND WORKING WITH BRIAN AND THE STAFF HERE WE CAME UP WITH SOME BIG PICTURE QUESTIONS AND THESE ARE SORT OF BIG STRATEGIC THAT THE PLAN WILL POSE BUT ISN'T NECESSARILY GOING TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER BECAUSE AT SOME LEVEL CITY LEADERSHIP HAS TO ADDRESS THESE THESE THINGS. NUMBER ONE, WHERE WILL THESE THINGS BE OR NOT ON PUBLIC PROPERTY YOU KNOW THAT DISCUSSION FROM THERE YOU CAN DEVELOP TACTICS. HOW DO YOU MAKE IT HAPPEN? BUT THE BIG QUESTION IS ARE WE DOING IT AT ALL? HOW CAN YOU ENSURE EQUITABLE ACCESS? WHAT ARE THE MECHANISMS YOU HAVE AVAILABLE SINCE? BY AND LARGE THESE THINGS WILL BE PRIVATE DEVICES THAT CAN BE DEPLOYED EITHER ON CITY PROPERTY OR ON COMPLETELY PRIVATE PROPERTY. WHAT ARE THE LEVERS HAVE TO MOVE TO TO ENSURE EQUITY THERE ? WHAT GOAL SHOULD WE HAVE FOR GEOGRAPHIC DISTRIBUTION? WE CAN LOOK THAT MAP AND SAY THAT DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT. OKAY, THERE'S MISMATCH HERE BUT WHAT SHOULD THAT GOAL BE? SHOULD IT BE RELATIVE TO? THESE ARE EDGE SCREEN AREAS AND YOU CAN DEVELOP THOSE NUMBER WAYS. SHOULD IT BE BASED ON TRAFFIC? SHOULD IT BE BASED SOME OTHER SURVEY OF OWNERSHIP? SHOULD IT BE BASED ON ORIGIN DESTINATION STUDIES THAT LOOK AT EVERY USAGE? WHAT ARE THE GOALS AND HOW DO YOU SET THOSE? WHAT KIND OF FINANCIAL PARTNERSHIPS ARE GOING TO BE APPROPRIATE AND WHAT WILL BE THE LEGAL IMPLICATIONS OF DOING THAT? IF YOU ENGAGE WITH SOMEBODY TO PUT CURBSIDE CHARGERS IN AND THEY ARE IN THE CITY RIGHT AND SOMEBODY PLUGS THEIR CAR INTO THAT AND SOMETHING HAPPENS AND STARTS ON FIRE, WHAT HAPPENS NEXT? YOU KNOW WHAT WHAT ARE THE AGREEMENTS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE IN PLACE TO MAKE THAT ACCEPTABLE? ARE THERE SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS FOR PERMITTING THINGS LIKE PROVIDING INFORMATION AND MAKING THE REQUIREMENTS OBVIOUS? HOW DO YOU HELP THIS ALONG IF YOU WANT TO ENCOURAGE THESE THINGS THERE? AND AS I MENTIONED THIS WAS A BIG ENOUGH DEAL IN CALIFORNIA THAT AT THE STATE THEY CREATED A STANDARD FOR PERMITTING THAT COUNTIES AND CITIES HAD TO FOLLOW. YOU KNOW, YOU HAD TO PROVIDE THIS INFORMATION IN A PORTAL ONLINE APPLICATIONS. YOU HAD TO REVIEW THEM WITHIN A CERTAIN TIME ALL OF THESE KINDS OF THINGS NOT AS BIG OF A DEAL IN MINNESOTA FOR REASONS ARE ADOPTION RATE SLOWER BUT THERE ARE THOSE QUESTIONS OUT THERE YOU KNOW WHAT IS THE APPROPRIATE APPROACH TO DO THIS? AND THEN LASTLY AGAIN TO THE PREVIOUS TO DISCUSSIONS ARE THERE ZONING OR LAND USE UPDATES THAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT WITH THESE IN GENERAL THESE THINGS BE COMMERCIAL RIGHT? THEY'RE THEY'RE LIKE A VENDING MACHINE YOU ROLL UP TO THEM, YOU BUY SOMETHING FROM THEM. HOW DOES THAT RELATE TO ZONING LAND USE? HOW DOES IT RELATE TO PEOPLE AT HOME? SO THOSE LIKE I SAID ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE COMING UP TO NOW. WE'VE GOT A LOT OF GREAT INFORMATION AND BACKGROUND IN THE PLAN THAT THAT GIVES A FRAMEWORK TO DISCUSS THESE THINGS. BUT REALLY WHAT THE PLAN DOES IS IT CREATES A FRAMEWORK TO DO LIST OF WHERE TO GO WITH ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS AND WITH THAT I WILL STOP TALKING AND YEAH THANKS MARK AND YEAH I THINK AT THIS POINT WE'RE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK FROM FROM SO AGAIN USING THESE QUESTIONS AS KIND OF A JUMPING OFF POINT IF YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON ANY OF THOSE QUESTIONS OR ALSO JUST GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE PLAN ITSELF, WE'RE HERE TO LISTEN ANSWER QUESTIONS, TAKE FEEDBACK AT THIS POINT SO THANK YOU. SO WE'LL START WITH COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ACTUALLY MY FIRST IS THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING AT THE LEGISLATURE THIS SESSION. HOW IS THIS GOING TO INTERACT WITH SOME OF THE THINGS INCENTIVES THE CONVERSATIONS THAT ARE HAVING POST LEGISLATIVE ON HOW THEY MIGHT BE DEPLOYING FUNDS POLICIES THINGS LIKE THAT ARE YOU SORT OF BUILDING THE PLANE WHILE FLYING IT? HOW THIS HOW DOES THAT HOW DOES THIS INTERACT WITH THAT? YEAH, I'M SURE THERE ARE A FEW THINGS THAT I CAN THROW AT THERE. THERE IS THE REGULATORY PICTURE AS I MENTIONED THERE ARE SOME RULES WITH THE MINNESOTA BUILDING CODE AROUND REQUIRING THINGS LIKE EV CHARGERS OR EVEN EV READINESS THAT IS EVOLVING AND THAT MAY CHANGE. THIS PLAN WILL LARGELY HAVE TO BE REACTIVE THINGS LIKE THAT. YOU KNOW WE CAN'T REALLY INFLUENCE IT. WE DON'T KNOW WE'RE GOING WE JUST NEED TO BE READY TO REACT IF AND WHEN THAT CHANGE COMES THE PIPE THE OTHER BIG THING THAT I'M WATCHING AT THE STATE LEVEL IS THE NATIONAL ELECTRIC VEHICLE INFRASTRUCTURE PROGRAM ROLLED A LOT OF MONEY OUT TO STATES TO DEPLOY ACTUALLY TO INCENTIVIZE I SHOULD SAY DEPLOYMENT OF VEHICLE CHARGING ON ALTERNATIVE FIELD FUEL CORRIDORS WHICH LARGELY UNDER STATES THAT DOESN'T HAVE A HUGE APPLICABILITY DIRECTLY TO BLOOMINGTON. BUT WHAT DOES IS DISCRETIONARY PACKAGE AS PART OF NAVY WHICH HAS JUST BECOME AVAILABLE THE STATES STILL NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEY'RE GOING TO DISTRIBUTE THIS BUT PLACES LIKE BLOOMINGTON WILL BE ABLE TO TO THE STATE AND SAY WE'VE GOT A GREAT WAY TO GET 15 CHARGERS DEPLOYED BUT WE NEED X DOLLARS FROM YOU TO BE ABLE TO INCENTIVIZE THEM. SO THERE'S THAT FUNDING STREAM THAT'S JUST GOING TO BE ONLINE SOMETIME IN 2024. THERE ARE OTHER THINGS OUT THERE AS WELL. THERE'S AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL THERE ARE THINGS YOU CAN DO WITH THE UTILITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND WE DO HAVE ACTUALLY A SECTION IN THE PLAN THAT SPECIFICALLY TALKS ABOUT FUNDING MECHANISMS. MY SECOND QUESTION WHICH IS NOT RELATED TO THAT WAS I'M SURE YOU TALKED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY HOUSING ORDINANCE OR MAYBE YOU DIDN'T AND HOW DOES HOW WOULD THIS HAVE YOU TALKED ABOUT HOW THIS WOULD INTERACT? ARE THERE WAYS IN WHICH THERE CAN BE IN SOME INCENT LIVES TO ENCOURAGE THAT THROUGH OTHER LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY HOUSING AWARDS? YEAH, AND THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I ENVISION AND THEN WE'VE ENVISIONED AS PART OF THE PLAN AS ONE OF THOSE ACTION STEPS. SO WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT HOW YOU CAN INCENTIVIZE AS MARK MENTIONED YOU KNOW THE INSTALLATION OF THESE CHARGERS THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD LOOK AND THAT'D BE ONE OF THOSE ACTION STEPS WHERE WE NEED TO TEAM WITH OUR PLANNING PARTNERS TO TALK ABOUT WHAT CAN WE DO LEGALLY AND ARE THERE WAYS ARE THERE MECHANISMS WE CAN TRIGGER TO INCENTIVIZE LIKE YOU SAID TO HAVE THESE YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU GET A REDUCTION ON SOMETHING IF YOU INSTALL X AMOUNT OF CHARGERS THAT SITE IN WAYS THAT WE CAN DO THAT FOR PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN A GARAGE OR THEY CAN INSTALL A CHARGER AND ARE MORE DEPENDENT ON HAVING THAT AVAILABLE THROUGH YOU KNOW, THEIR HOUSING PROVIDER OR IN THE PUBLIC SPACE. SO ABSOLUTELY COMMISSIONER CORY THESE SHARE FIRST I THINK I MEAN I THINK THIS IS GREAT GREAT THINKING. I LIKE THE APPROACH OF SEEING WHAT GOVERNMENT MONEY IS OUT THERE BESIDES ADDING UTILITY FRANCHISE FEES TO ALL OF US THAT LIVE IN BLOOMINGTON WHICH IS APPARENTLY WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING. SO THAT'S THAT'S GREAT. I GUESS THEY SEEM TO END UP FOCUSING ON THE FINANCES OF THIS STUFF FOR SOME REASON TO ME IT KIND OF APPEARED OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH EQUITY AND MAKING SURE EVERYONE HAS EQUAL OPPORTUNITY TO ACCESS CHARGING AROUND THE CITY BUT IT SEEMS LIKE FLEET ELECTRIFICATION IS LIKE IS A BIG GOAL AS A PART OF THIS IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. THAT IS ONE OF THE FIVE KIND OF MAIN CATEGORIES OF THE PLAN IS FOCUSING AS MARK SAID TOGETHER FOR ELECTRIFICATION OF THE CITY'S FLEET. CORRECT. OKAY. SO IN MY MIND ELECTRIC VEHICLES ARE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN GAS COMBUSTION ENGINES. IS THAT A CORRECT ASSUMPTION? IT AS WITH ALL THINGS THAT KIND OF DEPENDS ON THE DETAILS IN GENERAL PURCHASE PRICE OR CAPITAL COST IS HIGHER FOR LIGHT DUTY VEHICLES IN GENERAL LIFECYCLE COST IS LOWER. OKAY, WELL THAT'S GREAT. OKAY. THAT'S SOMETHING I WAS NOT AWARE OF . SO I GUESS IN TERMS OF GOALS I GUESSI DIDN'T SEE ANYING ABOUT FINANCIAL FEASIBILITY OR IF TRE'S AN EXPECTED KIND OF POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW WHAT WE WOULDXPECT T SPE AS CITY ACHVE XEDUCTION CARBON EMISSIONS OR SOMETHIN LE THAT,IGHT? SOOU LOOK AT THE ABITY TO PLAC CHARGERS ON PUBLIC PROPERTY. YES HERE CHARGERS AT ONES OFF NORMAN DALE ASSUME THEY'RE MAKING MONEY OFF THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE A FOR PROFIT BUSINESS I DON'T KNOW IS THERE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY TO MONETIZE PARKING LOTS TO HELP FUND ELECTRIC ELECTRIFICATION OF THE FLEET AND THAT WOULD BE A GOOD QUESTION. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE'D LOOK FOR INPUT FROM FROM ALL OF YOU ON IS YOU KNOW IF THE CITY WERE TO MOVE FORWARD, INSTALL VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS IN CITY FACILITIES AT CITY PARKS LIKE YOU MENTIONED ,IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE CITY WANTS TO TAKE ON THAT WE WANT TO HAVE OWNERSHIP OF AND WE WANT TO RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE DO WE WANT THEM TO BE FREE AND SAY YEAH, IF YOU IF YOU VISIT OUR FACILITIES HERE, PLUG YOUR CAR IN WHILE YOU'RE HERE DO WE WANT TO HAVE A THIRD PARTY COME IN , MANAGE THOSE FOR US, ALLOW THEM TO INSTALL THOSE AND THEN LIKE YOU SAID MAYBE TAKE SOME OF THOSE PROFITS AND PUT THOSE TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, OTHER CITY AS FAR AS ONCE PATIENT GOES WE'RE OPEN TO SUGGEST WE'RE WE'RE KIND OF CURIOUS WHERE PEOPLE'S HEADS ARE AT ON THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE THAT'S THAT YOU'D WANT TO MAYBE I DON'T PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH BUT MAYBE SOMETHING YOU'D WANT TO ON SOMETHING I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT BECAUSE THE MY FIRST PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING WHAT THE FIRST PRESENTATION WE SAW WAS ABOUT A NEW SALES TAX THAT THE CITY IS LOOKING AT PASSING AND THEN WE SEE ELECTRIFICATION AT THE SAME TIME AND THE CITY WANTING TO SPEND MONEY ON THAT. SO I THINK WELL IF WE WANT TO PASS A SALES TAX, DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO HAVE SOMETHING GOT SOME SORT OF FINANCIAL FEASIBILITY TO IN THE PLAN YOU KNOW, TO SOME FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY? I GUESS THAT'S YOU KNOW IT WOULD BE THE NATIONAL PROGRAM NEVER FINANCIAL FEASIBILITY IS A QUESTION BECAUSE IT CENTERS AROUND THE FAST CHARGERS THE DC FAIL IS MATTER OF FACT FEDERAL STANDARD IS A MINIMUM OF 150 KILOWATT PER PORT AND AS A RESULT THOSE ARE VERY EXPENSIVE INSTALLATIONS AND THAT'S MOSTLY WHY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS OFFERING PAY 80% OF THE INSTALLATION COST IS TO INCENTIVIZE THOSE SORTS OF THINGS BUT AFTER THAT THEY ARE NOT PAYING FOR ONGOING OPERATIONS MAINTENANCE THINGS LIKE THAT SO ARRANGEMENTS LIKE THAT NEED TO BE WORKED OUT. YOU KNOW IT'S AGAIN IT'S ALL IN THE DETAILS IS ARE WHAT ARE THE SPECIFICS THAT MAKE THOSE NUMBERS EITHER BALANCE OR NOT ? OKAY. THOSE ARE MY INITIAL THOUGHTS. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GOTTESMAN THANK YOU CHAIR SO THINKING ABOUT THE FIRST QUESTION CURBSIDE, CAN YOU GIVE US AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON WHAT DOES CURBSIDE MEAN? AND I'M THINKING GIVE US A PHYSICAL LOCATION THAT WOULD BE YEAH I WOULD IF RIGHT NOW THE EV CAR SHARING ELECTRIC CAR SHARING PROGRAM IS IN SAINT PAUL AS WELL AS MINNEAPOLIS AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT KIND OF LIKE A PARKING METER BUT A LITTLE MORE ADVANCED YOU KNOW WITH THE CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE PLACE SO YOU KNOW CURBSIDE WHERE A VEHICLE PULL IN PLUG IN . SO LIKE I SAID WITHOUT HAVING OUT OF THAT WE DON'T HAVE A GRAPHIC AVAILABLE BUT YOU KNOW THINK ABOUT IT A A PARKING METER WITH SOME CABLES COMING OUT OF IT ESSENTIALLY AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT YOU'D BE LOOKING AT THERE AND SOME ADDITIONAL ANCILLARY CABINETS THAT MAY NEED TO BE THERE FOR THE POWER SUPPLY, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. SO OKAY. SO I THINK THAT THE THINKING IT LIKE A PARKING METER THAT HELPS ME KIND OF VISUALIZE I'M A VERY VISUAL PERSON AND MY COMMENT ON THAT IS I WOULD ASK THE CITY TO REALLY LOOK AT HOW MUCH ON STREET PARKING WE ACTUALLY ALLOW BECAUSE IT ISN'T MUCH BUT ESPECIALLY DURING CERTAIN TIMES OF DAY AS WE SAW EARLIER TONIGHT. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW FEASIBLE THAT WOULD BE BASED ON HOW MUCH ON STREET PARKING WE ACTUALLY ALLOW NOW COULD BE CHANGED HOW MUCH ON STREET PARKING WE DO ALLOW THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD THING TO LOOK AT THE OTHER THING THAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT A LOT OF THE TIE TO SOME OF THE PARTNERSHIPS THAT WE COULD LOOK AT IS THERE'S A LOT OF EMPLOYERS HERE IN BLOOMINGTON AND I KNOW A LOT OF THEM HAVE BEEN PUTTING IN SOME CHARGING ON SITE AS A PERK THEIR EMPLOYEES I THINK THERE COULD BE SOME ADDITIONAL WORK THAT COULD BE DONE WITH EMPLOYERS TO TO PUT IN CHARGING STAONS AT THEIR LOCATION. WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE I HAVE NO IDEA. BUT THERE'S JUST ONE THING THAT I THOUGHT ABOUT AND THEN THE LAST THING THAT I HAD IS REALLY THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'RE SEEING THOSE THE CHARGING STATIONS POP UP ARE PLACES THAT PEOPLE WANT TO SPEND TIME AT. IT'S NOT LIKE A GAS STATION WHERE YOU CAN JUST BE FOR 10 MINUTES AND RUN, YOU KNOW, TO THE NEXT PLACE YOU'RE GOING. YOU'RE SEEING THEM POP UP AT TARGET. YOU'RE SEEING THEM AT LUNCH BARREL AS YOU'RE SEEING THEM AT PLACES PEOPLE WANT TO SPEND TIME AT. SO I WOULD LOOK AT THE CITY TO HELP DEVELOP SOME FRAMEWORK OF IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT A CHARGING STATION IN OR A BANK OF CHARGING STATIONS, WHAT TYPE OF AMENITIES OR WHAT TYPE OF RETAIL OR COFFEE SHOP PLACE WOULD SOMEBODY WANT TO SPEND TIME AT AND A PARK MIGHT BE AN EXAMPLE OF THAT I THINK OF LIKE VIEW AND THE POOL AND THE BASEBALL DIAMONDS KIND OF THING COULD CHECK THOSE BOXES BUT I WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE A CHARGING STATION ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET WHERE SOMEONE SITTING IN THEIR CAR TWIDDLING THEIR THUMBS FOR 2 HOURS AND THEN YOU'VE GOT YOUR NEIGHBOR THE POLICE BECAUSE THERE'S SOMEBODY CREEPY SITTING IN THE FRONT YARD. OKAY. SO THAT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT AND IT SPEAKS TO THE THE REGULATORY NEEDS THERE ARE YOU KNOW ON STREET PARKING AND LOT PARKING WHERE YOU HAVE TIME RESTRICTIONS, YOU KNOW, NO PARKING MORE THAN IN SOME CASES. I LIVE IN MINNEAPOLIS NO PARKING NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES. SO THERE ARE LIKE THAT. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. AND THE THE QUESTION OF YOU KNOW, AMENITY LOCATION IS A BIG ONE IN MANY THAT ACTUALLY AN RFP OUT NOW BECAUSE I'M A CONSULTANT AND I FOLLOW SUCH THINGS TO SPECIFICALLY LOOK AT AMENITY ORIENTATION FOR CHARGER LOCATIONS ALONG MAJOR CORRIDORS IN MINNESOTA SO YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT AND I WILL KNOW TOO WHEN YOU'RE SPEAKING ABOUT INCENTIVIZING EMPLOYERS, I THINK ONE THING THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT AND THOUGHT ABOUT AS STAFF IS HOW WE COULD IMPLEMENT THIS INTO OUR TDM PLAN, OUR TRAVEL DEMAND MANAGEMENT PLAN AND OUR REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR CERTAIN DEVELOPMENTS AND CERTAIN EMPLOYERS. SO MAYBE IT'S USING THAT AS A TOOL AS PART OF THEIR PLAN TO YOU KNOW INCENTIVIZE AND MAYBE WE CAN ROLL THAT INTO THAT TOO SO KNOW THINKING ABOUT THAT SO I APPRECIATE THE COMMENT COMMISSIONER COUGHLIN THANKS WAS DROVE A VARIETY OF THOUGHTS START THOUGH WITH THE AMENITIES PIECE OF IT ONE THING WE WOULD WANT TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT IS WHEN YOU PUT AN EV CHARGER IN A LIKE SAY NEXT TO OF AMERICA YOU START TO HAVE THE OPPOSITE PROBLEM WHERE PEOPLE ARE STAYING IN THE MALL LONGER THAN IT TAKES THEIR VEHICLE TO CHARGE THEN THEY'RE HOGGING THE STATION AND SO IF YOU CAN HAVE IT WHERE YOU'RE AN OVERAGE CHARGE OR LIKE A SITTING FEE WITH YOUR VEHICLE AS CHARGED AND YOU'RE THEN PAYING MORE THAT'S SOMETHING WOULD WANT TO CONSIDER. SO YOU WANT TO BE A LITTLE CAREFUL ABOUT PUTTING THEM NEXT TO TOO AMENITIES. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK A LITTLE BIT MORE THE ELECTRIFICATION OF THE CITY FLEET I'M GUESSING TRAIN HAS DEPARTED THE STATION ON THAT ONE BUT IS WHAT IS THE PLAN FOR THE ELECTRIC ELECTRIFICATION OF THE CITY FLEET HOW MANY VEHICLES WE HAVE IS IT ALL FOR EV OR HYBRID OR WHAT THAT LOOK LIKE? YEAH SO WHAT I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY ABOUT TAKING PLANS OR PIECES OF PLANS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN STARTED AND TRYING TO MELD INTO ONE DOCUMENT THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS ALREADY STARTED PRIOR TO THIS PLAN GOING FORWARD IS THERE WAS ALREADY AN EVALUATION OF THE CITY'S FLEET WHICH VEHICLES WOULD BE BEST FOR CONVERSION TO ELECTRIC VEHICLES. SO OUR FLEET MADE AND STAFF HAD ALREADY STARTED THAT SO THEY HAD WORKED WITH XCEL TO KIND OF LOOK AT WHICH VEHICLES WOULD WOULD MAKE THE MOST SENSE. SO I THINK AS PART OF THIS PLAN WE'D WANT TO REFERENCE THAT PLAN. WE DON'T WANT TO REPRODUCE BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY STARTED THAT WORK. SO THEY HAVE IDENTIFIED AND I DON'T FORGET I'VE TAUGHT MY HEAD HOW MANY VEHICLES I THINK THERE IS A 60 OR SO LIKE LIGHT DUTY VEHICLES THAT WERE GOOD GOOD CANDIDATES REPLACED AND WE'RE STARTING TO SEE THAT RIGHT NOW AS MARK MENTIONED IN ENGINEERING WE JUST GOT OUR FIRST F-150 LIGHTNING SO THAT'S STARTING TO REPLACE SILVER VEHICLES. THERE ARE TWO MYSTERY HITS THAT ARE YOU INVOLVED IN THAT PLAN WITH THE FLEET OR THE FLEET? I AM NOT KNOW. OKAY. COULD PUT ME IN CONTEXT OF WHO IS IN CHARGE OF THE PLAN. ABSOLUTELY. LET'S JUMP YOU. I WON'T BOTHER THIS MEETING WITH WITH THOSE THOUGHTS. YEAH I DO HAVE ONE OTHER COMMENT IN THAT ONE THING AND I HAPPEN TO BE A CAR ENTHUSIAST SO I'VE BEEN LISTENING TO YOUR CAR PODCAST I DO BELIEVE ME ONE THING THAT'S HAPPENING IN CALIFORNIA AND OTHER PLACES HAVE A LONGER HISTORY OF ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING IS IT'S BEEN FOUND THAT THESE ELECTRICAL VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS ARE NOT AGING WELL AND THAT THEY'RE OFTEN OUT OF SERVICE AND THAT THERE'S CHARGERS AVAILABLE BUT THEY DON'T WORK OR THEY DON'T CHARGE AT THE SPEED SUPPOSED TO OR LOTS OF OTHER THINGS. IT HAS BECOME VERY FRUSTRATING FOR PEOPLE WHO NEED TO CHARGE IN CALIFORNIA AND OTHER PLACES MORE ADVANCED INFRASTRUCTURE ON THAT AND. ONE OF THE THINGS I'M HEARING FROM THE INDUSTRY IS WHY THAT IS BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF INCENTIVES TO PUT IN NEW CHARGERS BUT THERE'S NO INCENTIVES MAINTAIN YOUR CHARGERS AND SO YOUR ELECTRIC ELECTRIFY AMERICA'S OF THE WORLD ARE NOT THAT INTERESTED IN MAINTAINING THEIR CHARGERS . THEIR CAPITAL CAN BE BETTER DEPLOYED TO PUT IN NEW ONES BECAUSE THEY'RE GETTING INCENTIVES. AND SO IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, I WOULD ASK THAT WE STRONGLY CONSIDER HAVING INCENTIVES FOR MAINTENANCE OF THESE THINGS AS OPPOSED TO JUST NEW ONES. A QUICK WORD TO THAT POINT THE THE FEDERAL PROGRAM NEVER ACTUALLY IN THE ENABLING PROGRAM DEFINITION HAS A RELIABILITY REQUIREMENT IT ALSO HAS A REPORTING REQUIREMENT TO INDIVIDUAL STATE WHICH PROVIDES THE THE INCENTIVIZING GRANT AND IT'S UP TO THE STATES TO FIGURE OUT THE MECHANISM. I WORKED ON NEBRASKA IS NEBRASKA'S HAS A CLAWBACK IN IT FOR FIVE YEARS AND SO YOU FAIL TO MEET YOUR RELIABILITY STANDARDS THERE IS RIDER IN THERE THAT ALLOWS THEM TO DO A PRO-RATED CLAWBACK OF THE MONEY. THAT OF COURSE MEANS THAT AT SOME POINT YOU'VE GOT TO BE WRITING A CHECK, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE SOME SKIN IN THE GAME TO THIS. AND IF SOMEBODY SIMPLY WANTS TO GET A PERMIT AND SAY I'M YOU KNOW, PRIVATE CHARGER PROVIDER X I WOULD LIKE TO PUT IN A CHARGER HERE. HERE'S MY PERMIT APPLICATION. I DON'T WANT ANY FURTHER RELATIONSHIP THE CITY THEN THERE'S THERE'S LESS THERE'S LESS THERE THERE SO WHEN MY TURN BUT I THINK AS MANY OF YOU KNOW THIS IS THIS IS MY THING WE'VE HAD ONE ELECTRIC CAR FOR A YEAR HER SEVENTH YEAR SHORTLY AND WE'VE HAD ALL ELECTRIC FOUR AND NOW THEY WERE IN OUR THIRD YEAR AND SO THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT ARE YOU KNOW ESPECIALLY THE RELIABILITY BUT I THINK WHAT IT'S HARD FOR PEOPLE TO GET THEIR HEAD AROUND IS QUITE HONESTLY IF YOU HAVE AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE YOU EITHER WANT TO CHARGE IT FOR 10 MINUTES AND GET GOING OR YOU JUST LEAVE IT FOR THREE, FOUR OR 5 HOURS. THERE'S NOT REALLY A SWEET MOST PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO GO SOMEWHERE AND PLUG IN FOR 30 MINUTES AND GET ANY VALUE OUT OF IT AT A LEVEL TO A CHARGER. SO THAT LEADS ME TO SOME THOUGHTS ON YOU KNOW WE TALK ABOUT LAND USE AND HOW WE ARE IN CERTAIN AREAS OF THE CITY ESPECIALLY WE ARE IDENTIFYING CERTAIN AREAS. WE DON'T HAVE MORE LAND FOR A LOT OF SPACE. SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT GOES TO THE NAVY STANDARD OF 150 I'M NOT INTERESTED A GAS STATIONS THAT CONVERT TO THOSE AND GET ALL THIS WHOLE LOOK AT US WE HAVE ASTROBEE BECAUSE IT TAKES FOREVER IT'S YOU KNOW 45 MINUTES VERSUS 12 BECAUSE THERE'S HOWHE CHARGING STUFF WORKS. SO TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT YOU KNOW, EQUITABLE ACCESS WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PLACES IN TOWN THAT SIT EMPTY FOR A LOT OF TIME I THINK OF ALL LIKE CHURCH PARKING LOT SCHOOL PARKING. THOSE ARE THE PLACES THAT YOU COULD INCENTIVIZE OR IF THE CITY WAS DOING IT ITSELF THROUGH A THIRD PARTY OR WHATEVER I MEAN, YOU KNOW YOU A CHURCH PARKING LOT SIT EMPTY ,YOU KNOW, FIVE DAYS OUT OF THE WEEK AND ON THOSE OTHER DAYS THEY'RE ONLY USED FOR THREE OR 4 HOURS. THOSE ARE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I MEAN IT'S GREAT THAT THERE IS A CHARGER AT YOU KNOW OR BY HAZELWOOD BUT IF YOU LIVE ANYWHERE OVER YOU'RE NOT GOING TO WALK THERE, PLUG YOUR CAR IN AND WALK AWAY FOR 5 HOURS. I MEAN YOU NEED THAT THEY NEED TO BE DISTRIBUTED ESPECIALLY IN OUR PARTS OF TOWN THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED YOUR PURPLE YOU KNOW YOUR YOUR EQUITY AREAS AND YOU KNOW SOMEONE MIGHT SAY OH WELL YOU KNOW WE'LL MAKE SURE WE GET SOME FAST UP THERE WELL THE BETWEEN THE STUFF YOU PLUG IN FOR FIVE OR 6 HOURS IS $0.07 A KILOWATT AND THE STUFF YOU PLUG IN FOR 10 MINUTES IS 50. AND THEN IF YOU TALK ABOUT EQUITY THAT'S A THAT'S A THING THERE TOO. SO HAVING ACCESS TO CHARGING ISN'T THE SAME AS HAVING ACCESS DIFFERENT PRICE POINTS OF CHARGING. AND SO WHEN I THINK ABOUT THOSE GOALS FOR EQUITABLE AND GEOGRAPHIC DISTRIBUTION, I THINK THE CURBSIDE THING CAN TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT. IT'S NOT IT'S NOT A BAD THING TO COMMISSION OUR GOALS ON THIS POINT WE DON'T REALLY LOVE STREET PARKING FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER IN BLOOMINGTON AGAIN THAT MAY CHANGE BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF PLACES IN THERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. RIGHT. YOU COULD WALK YOU KNOW SOMEONE MIGHT WANT TO WALK A BLOCK TO SOMETHING THAT IS A PARKING LOT THAT SITS EMPTY OR A PARK OR A CITY FACILITY THAT YOU KNOW AND YOU KNOW EVERYONE LOVES FREE IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE FREE BECAUSE THAT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE AND. SO THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS TO INCENTIVIZE BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK THE THINGS YOU HAVE ON HERE ARE THE RIGHT QUESTIONS. YOU KNOW AND LAND USE CHANGES MAYBE. BUT AGAIN I THINK WHAT ARE OUR STANDARDS GOING TO BE FOR YOU KNOW, THE GAS STATION TYPE WHERE YOU COME IN FOR 10 MINUTES, 15 MINUTES AND YOU'RE OUT? YEAH, YOU MIGHT WANT TO GET CUP OF COFFEE BUT YEAH THOSE TYPES OF THINGS YOU'RE NOT GOING TO STAY FOR A NICE SIT DOWN MEAL BECAUSE TO COMMISSIONER KITCHENS POINT IN 15 MINUTES YOU'RE YOU'RE AS MUCH AS YOU'RE GOING TO REASONABLY GET WHEN YOU GET TO THE TOP OF THAT CHARGING CURVE BUT ABOUT 80% AND THEN YOU'RE JUST TAKING UP SPACE FOR SOMEBODY ELSE SO THAT'S MY TAKE IS IT'S EITHER THE REALLY FAST STUFF OR IT'S IT'S FOUR OR FIVE 6 HOURS THERE'S NOT REALLY I DON'T MEAN TO DISMISS THEY'RE NOT BEING VALUABLE YOU BUT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF STUFF IN BETWEEN IS LARGELY SHOW AND TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE CHURCHES AND FAITH COMMUNITIES THAT WAS THING THAT WAS INTERESTING TO ME THAT I LEARNED WHEN WE HAD OUR STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS SO THROUGH OUR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT WE REACHED OUT TO DIFFERENT GROUPS THAT HAD SOME DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDER AND THERE WERE A LOT OF CHURCHES AND FAITH COMMUNITIES WERE VERY INTERESTED IN PROVIDING THE INFRASTRUCTURE WHETHER IT BE CHARGERS ON SITE OR YOU KNOW, SUSTAINABLE METHODS OF YOU KNOW, SOLAR PANELS. AND THEY WERE VERY INVOLVED AND VERY ENGAGED. SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE WROTE DOWN AND NOTED AS WELL BECAUSE THESE PLACES HAVE MASSIVE. EXACTLY. AND TO YOUR POINT, THERE'S BIG PARKING LOTS THAT ARE YOU KNOW, GENERALLY QUITE OPEN FOR MUCH OF THE MUCH OF THE WEEK. SO A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO GET THEM IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS TO WHERE THOSE CHURCHES AND FAITH COMMUNITIES USUALLY ARE. SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS I THINK THIS IS GREAT. YOU KNOW, CAN WE HELP IT ALONG? SURE. BUT I DON'T WE'RE GOING TO BE THE ONES TO SOLVE IT BUT IT'S IT'S A CHICKEN EGG PROBLEM AND IT IS GETTING BETTER. BUT YOU KNOW AND TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE AND RELIABLE PARTNERS I AM NOT GOING TO CALL OUT A CERTAIN COMPANY THAT'S JUST ACROSS THE FREEWAY THAT IS BUILDING A LOT . STUFF HAS BEEN GOING UP. IT'S HORRIBLE FOR RELIABILITY AND HORRIBLE CUSTOMER SERVICE AND I THINK FINDING THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO WITH MATTERS. COMMISSIONER CURRIE THANKS. THERE'S JUST A COUPLE QUICK MORE THOUGHTS. SO I SAW THE SCOOTER AND E-BIKE SECTION AND AT POINT WE'LL SEE A ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN AND IT KIND OF SEEMS TO ME LIKE SCOOTER AND E-BIKE IS MAYBE A OFF RIGHT? SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE FOCUS ON. YOU JUST KIND OF THROW IT OUT FOR NOW. ALSO THINKING ABOUT EQUITY AND TYING IT INTO MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT. I MEAN IF YOU PUT TOGETHER A COUPLE HUNDRED UNIT DEVELOPMENT AND SAY YOU WANT YOU KNOW, ONE OUT OF TEN YOU PUT PUT TEN CHARGERS IN THERE OR 15 CHARGERS OR SOMETHING FOR THE THEN YOU'VE GOT LIKE 2 TO 4 MEGAWATTS WORTH OF POWER THAT YOU GOT TO PUT IN THERE OR MORE POTENTIALLY TO SERVICE THE BUILDING AND THE CHARGERS AND THEN YOU'RE BASICALLY HAVING TO PUT AN APARTMENT BUILDING IN AN INDUSTRIAL TO GET THAT KIND OF POWER I THINK BECAUSE WE ARE SEEING POWER LIKE DISTRIBUTION THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY BEING A LOT MORE DIFFICULT TO COME BY. SO I JUST THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THE EXPECTATION THAT YOU WANT TO KIND OF MAYBE HEDGE AND THINK ABOUT HOW REALISTIC IS THE MASSIVE AMOUNT OF CHARGERS AT A MULTIFAMILY BUILDING. THANKS FOR THAT COMMENT. SO KIND OF JUST PIGGYBACK ON THAT THEN WOULD YOU WOULD YOU BE MORE INTERESTED IN MAYBE PROVIDING THOSE CHARGERS IN OTHER WAYS WHETHER IT BE IN PARKS OR STREET OR HAVE ANOTHER METHOD TO PROVIDE THAT ABILITY TO CHARGE BUT NOT NECESSARILY HAVE IT WRAPPED INTO AS PART OF THE BUILDING YOU NEED TO PROVIDE X ABOUT IS THAT KIND OF APPROPRIATE I MEAN MAYBE IT'S AT AT PLACES AT WORK YOU KNOW WHERE PEOPLE ARE SPENDING LIKE YOU SAID 8 HOURS DURING THE DAY RATHER THAN FOCUSING MAYBE SO MUCH ON APARTMENT OR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AREAS, THERE'S NOT AS MUCH POWER DISTRIBUTION IN THE AREA. I THINK YOU COULD. THANKS FOR THE CHAIR. YOU KNOW I WORKED TODAY IS TALKING TO AN ARCHITECT AND HE REMINDED ME ONLY ARCHITECTS THERE IN ARCHITECTURE BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE CONSIDERATIONS FOR DESIGN STANDARDS FOR THESE CHARGING BANKS THE RECENT ONE THAT WAS PUT IN NEAR TARGET LOOKS HORRENDOUS AND THAT'S JUST THIS ENGINEER SLASH ARCHITECT'S OPINION BUT LOOKS LOT AND SO IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD HAVE SORT OF STANDARDS ABOUT YOU KNOW, THESE ARE GOING TO BE IN NEIGHBORHOODS OR THINGS BUT I WOULD SURE WISH IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A STAKE IN IT THAT WE CAN HAVE THEM LOOK DECENT. IT'S NOT UNLIKE THE CONVERSATION WE HAD ABOUT THE SOUTH LOOP WITH WHERE ARE THE TRANSFORMERS PUT AND THE EXACT SAME IS YES THOSE TRANSFORMERS THEY LOOK AWFUL AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE THEM SO HOW CAN WE WORK WITH CREATIVE PLACEMAKING OR WHOEVER I MEAN YOUR THAT THE TARGET ONE IS EXACTLY I MEAN IT'S THE INFRASTRUCTURE YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE FUEL THE EIGHT 1012 SUPERCHARGERS BUT THEN YOU'VE GOT THIS WHITE THING WHICH FOR NOW LOOKS FINE UNTIL IT TURNS RUSTY. BUT YOU KNOW WE SEE THAT IN THE MINNEAPOLIS EIGHT BALL WHERE THEY WRAP YOU KNOW TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS WITH IMAGES THAT ARE THIS COMMUNITY HAS DEVELOPED OR WHATEVER AND SO I SUPPORT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND IT'S IN LINE WITH WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FOR OTHER ELECTRICAL TYPE THINGS IN THE CITY. QUICK ON THAT AS PART OF THIS WE'VE ASSEMBLED KIND OF A LIBRARY OF DOCUMENTS FOR EACH OF THESE AREAS. I KEEP GOING BACK TO MANHATTAN'S ABBEY CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE STANDARDS. THEY DID A REALLY GREAT JOB AND THEY DEFINE NOT ONLY THE THE APPEARANCE YOU KNOW HOW BIG A CHARGING CAN BE. THEY DEFINE YOU KNOW, SET BACK FROM CURB DISTANCE FROM BUILDING FACE DISTANCE FROM ADJACENT SIGNAGE, FROM INTERSECTIONS, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO THEY HAVE A VERY COMPLETE NOT ONLY ESTHETIC BUT GEOMETRIC SORT OF STANDARDS AND SO NOT ALL THAT'S GOING TO BE APPLICABLE HERE BUT WE DID FIND A NUMBER OF EXAMPLES FOR EXACTLY YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING AND I THINK I DON'T MEAN TO SPEAK FOR COMMISSIONER CUSHING I THINK WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND IT'S THE BIG THE BIG TRANSFORMER BOX BEING THAT WE'RE OFTEN REFERRED TO AS THE MANHATTAN OF THE UPPER MIDWEST WORD OF OF OF DESIGN STANDARDS BECAUSE THEY'RE THE BRONX. ANYTHING ELSE FOR STAFF ON THIS OR ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED FROM US? THIS IS GREAT. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK AND JUST A NOTE WE WILL BE HAVING A PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE TO SHARE THE DRAFT PLAN NOVEMBER 9TH NEXT THURSDAY IN THE BLACKBOX THEATER RIGHT HERE. SO ENCOURAGE ANYONE THAT'S WATCHING IF ANYONE STILL WATCHING OR WANTS TO JOIN OR WATCH THIS LATER TO JOIN US AND PROVIDE YOUR FEEDBACK. LOOK FORWARD TO BEING BACK FOR YOU IN DECEMBER WITH A FINAL DRAFT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION SO APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. NICE. THANK YOU. OKAY. IT IS 1047 WE ARE TALKING ABOUTHE PLANNING MANAGER AND SOMEHOW OUR 11:00 RULE PERSON OUT GOTTEN PUBLISHED IN OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE BUT THAT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WAS OUR YES JEROME AND I WAS JUST DOING A LOT OF RESEARCH ON THAT REVIEWED PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES FROM 2018 THROUGH 2022 HAVE NOT FOUND ANY DISCUSSION OF THAT SO BUT I KNOW IT'S A COLLECTIVE MEMORY OF THE COMMISSIONERS SO WE'LL HAVE TO KEEP RESEARCHING YES. THE ONLY HELP THAT I CAN GIVE I REMEMBER US HAVING THE CONVERSATION AND CONTINUING THE ITEM TWO OR THREE TIMES BECAUSE WE COULDN'T DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE WERE GOING TO ADOPT WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAD DONE WE WEREN'T GOING TO BUT WE WERE ALL SITTING AT HOME. SO THAT'S THAT THAT'S HELPFUL. WE WERE SITTING I WAS SITTING AT HOME FOR SURE THE POINT OF ORDER BEING THAT WE WILL HAVE TO REVISIT ADDING THAT INTO OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE. BUT UNLESS THERE'S THE OBJECTION I WOULD LIKE TO HONOR THAT WE HAVE STAFF WHO'VE BEEN HERE JUST AS LONG AS WE HAVE AND MOVE INTO ITEM FIVE WHICH IS A PUBLIC OPPORTUNITY ON THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN ASSISTANT TRAFFIC ENGINEER MARONE IS HERE AGAIN GET EVEN IN COMMISSION. ALL RIGHT. UM, YOU MAKE ME A PRESENTER PRESENTER , ALL RIGHT? SO I'M HERE TONIGHT TO SHARE OUR ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION ACTION PLAN. SO WE STARTED THIS PLAN BACK NOVEMBER OF 2022 AND THE FINAL DRAFT PLAN WAS DELIVERED THE END OF AUGUST. I'M CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF BRINGING THIS COMMISSIONS AND ULTIMATELY TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR ACCEPTANCE OF THE PLAN TONIGHT A PLAN TO DO AN OVERVIEW TALK ABOUT HOW THE PLAN WAS DEVELOPED KEY TAKEAWAYS AND SHARE WITH YOU SOME PRIORITIZE PRIORITIZED PROJECTS AND OVERARCHING RECOMMENDATIONS THE REQUESTED COMMISSION ACTION IS TO RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ACCEPT THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION ACTION PLAN I FIRST WANTED TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC HAS AN IDEA OF HOW TO FIND THE FINAL PLAN THAT'S BEING PROPOSED. SO WE HAVE A REALLY WELL-DEVELOPED LET'S TALK ABOUT MEANTIME PAGE AND IF YOU SCROLL DOWN INTO PUBLIC WORKS AND CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS SECTION AND INTO ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION ACTION PLAN AND FIND THAT THAT SAYS CLICK TO READ THE PLAN SO IT'S A LITTLE OVER A HUNDRED PAGES AND I THOUGHT WE WOULD SLOWLY GO THROUGH EACH AND EVERY PAGE TONIGHT SINCE YOU'RE I'M SURE EVERYBODY WOULD LOVE THAT SO I PROBABLY HAVE A FEW TOO MANY SLIDES BUT WE WILL BE BREEZING THROUGH QUITE A FEW OF THEM. SO I FIRST WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE CREATION OF THE PLAN SO WE WORKED WITH MDOT ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION ACTION PLANNING GRANT PROGRAM AND WE WERE AWARDED AN ACTION PLANNING GRANT BACK IN 2022 AND 2023. THROUGH THAT GRANT THEY A CONTRACT TO TARA, SELMA AND WERE THE PARTNERS LED BY SAMANTHA LAURENS AND BENESCH SO THEY HELPED GUIDE THROUGH THE PROCESS BUT WE HAD A TON OF STAFF INVOLVEMENT IN THAT ESPECIALLY FROM COED WHO HELPED LEAD ALL OF OUR VERY EXTENSIVE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT ENGINEERING WAS OF COURSE ACTIVELY INVOLVED PLANNING PUBLIC SAFETY SUSTAINABILITY I WON'T READ THROUGH THE WHOLE LIST YOU CAN SEE EVERYBODY THERE BUT THIS REALLY WAS CONTINGENT ON OUR THIS PLAN WAS SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE WE HAD A REALLY WELL DIVERSIFIED TEAM OF PARTICIPANTS. ALL RIGHT SO LIKE I ALREADY MENTIONED THE PLAN IS VERY COMPREHENSIVE. I KNOW THERE IS A LINK IN YOUR PACKET TONIGHT. I'M JUST GOING TO GO BRIEFLY OVER A LITTLE BIT OF THE INTRODUCTION. I'M GOING FOCUS A LITTLE BIT ON HOW ARE OUR STREETS OUR STREETS TODAY'S ACTION AND THEN GO THROUGH SOME OF THE PRIORITIES RECOMMENDATIONS AND LASTLY SOME OF THE CALL TO ACTION MOVING FORWARD STEPS. SO THE INTRODUCTION SECTION THE REPORT IS PROBABLY THE LONGEST SECTION IT COVERS OR IDENTIFIES ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION AND WHY IT SHOULD BE VALUED AND PRIORITIZED IN OUR CITY. IT COVERS THE SAFE SYSTEMS APPROACH TO TRAFFIC IT. IT'S VERY EXTENSIVE. I'M NOT GOING TO LIST EVERY BUT THIS IS THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT WHY IS AN ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN AND ANSWER FOR ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION ACTION PLAN IMPORTANT TO BLOOMINGTON SO THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON BELIEVES THAT WALKING, BIKING AND ROLLING ARE CRITICAL WAYS BY WHICH PEOPLE OF ALL AGES AND ABILITIES REACH THE PLACES THEY WANT TO GO CONNECT WITH, THE PEOPLE THEY WANT TO SEE AND IMPROVE PHYSICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH. THE CITY ALSO IDENTIFIES ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION AS AN ESSENTIAL TOOL FOR IMPROVING ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AND REDUCING THE CITY'S CARBON FOOTPRINT. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT JUST TO HAVE THE CONTEXT OF WHY WE WANTED TO GO THROUGH WHY THE CITY PRIORITY USES THIS AND GOES THROUGH THIS PROCESS. HERE ARE SOME OF THE KEY ELEMENTS THAT ARE COVERED IN THIS SECTION. SO IT TALKS ABOUT THE EQUITY APPROACH TO ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION SO. YOU KNOW BLOOMINGTON WAS ORIGINALLY DEVELOPED WITH THE CONCEPT OF RELYING ON THE FACT THAT ALMOST EVERYBODY HAS A VEHICLE. WE KNOW THAT THAT'S NO LONGER TRUE AND PROVIDING SAFE, ACCESSIBLE TRANSPORTATION AND AMENITIES FOR PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF VEHICLES IS IMPORTANT AS WELL. THE ENVIRONMENTAL ELEMENTS SO WE WE ALONG WITH THE STATE HAVE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSION REDUCTION GOALS. THIS PLAN HELPS TO MOVE FORWARD AND ACHIEVE THOSE GOALS SORRY SKIPPED THE ECONOMY PART BUT THE ECONOMIC BENEFITS OF PROVIDING AN ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM ACTIVE THE HEALTH AND ALL POLICIES TO BENEFIT AND WELL-BEING IS THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT ELEMENT FOR BLOOMINGTON AS WELL. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHICH PARTS JUST KIND OF BREEZE THROUGH ONE THING THAT REALLY DID STICK OUT AS WE WERE DEVELOPING THE PLAN IS IF YOU DID DEVELOP FACILITIES ARE REALLY FOCUSING ON THE ALL AGES AND ABILITIES THAT'S HOW YOU'RE GOING TO REALLY GENERATE FACILITIES FOR EVERYBODY. THIS GRAPHIC I THINK THIS IS ONE OF MANY THROUGHOUT THE REPORT I THINK IT DOES A REALLY GOOD JOB OF SHOWING THAT YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE DESIGNING THIS SIDEWALKS FOR KIDS WHO ARE WALKING TO SCHOOL, THEY ARE NOT WALKING IN A SINGLE COLUMN. YOU REALLY DO HAVE TO BUILD IN THE SAFE SYSTEMS APPROACH SO THAT WE ARE PROVIDING FACILITIES THAT ALLOW FOR MISTAKES OR EVEN JUST NORMAL BEHAVIOR. AND SO THIS IS JUST SOMETHING THAT REALLY KIND OF STUCK OUT AND WILL RING THROUGH TRUE THROUGHOUT THE REPORT. ALL RIGHT. SO THE OUR STREETS TODAY SECTION OF THE REPORT TALKS ABOUT REVIEWING ALL OF THE EXISTING CITY POLICIES AND PLANS STATISTICS ON HOW PEOPLE MOVE TODAY WHERE PEOPLE ARE WALKING AND ROLLING GOES INTO DESTINATIONS AND FACILITY TYPES, DETAILS LEARNED THROUGHOUT THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION PROCESS. SO THIS PLAN WAS DEVELOPED SO WE WERE STARTING A VERY SOLID ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN BUT WE USE THAT AS THE FRAMEWORK. BUT WE REALLY WANTED TO HEAVILY ON PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT ON THIS UPDATE SO THAT WE'RE WORKING TO CREATE A SHARED VISION WITH THIS WITH THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON. SO WE WORKED EXTENSIVELY WITH COED TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PLAN YOU ALREADY THE TEAM OF CITY STAFF STAKEHOLDERS WE HAD ONLINE COMMENT MAP AND SURVEY POP UP COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS WHERE WE HAD MEETINGS WITH RESIDENTS AT INDOOR FARMERS MARKETS. CREEKSIDE WE WENT OUT TO SOUTH TOWN ON APARTMENTS AND HAVE LOTS OF ACTUALLY LIKE BRINGING THE MEETINGS OUT TO TO RESIDENTS AND IMPLEMENTING THAT WE THAT ARE OFTEN VOICES THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY HEAR FROM. WE HAD A SERIES OF WALKING WORKSHOPS, WE DID A SCHOOL ENGAGEMENT SESSION AT KENNEDY HIGH SCHOOL. WE HAD A MEETING WITH THE BIKE FOCUSED GROUP AND THEN WE KIND OF PULLED ALL THAT TOGETHER IN A NETWORK MAPPING AND ACTION PLANNING WORKSHOP THAT HAPPENED IN BLACKBOX THEATER. SO IT'S A COUPLE EXAMPLES OF ALL OF THE DATA THAT'S COLLECTED TO THE YOU KNOW, HOW ARE PEOPLE CURRENTLY MOVING AROUND THE CITY SOME STATS ABOUT WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE TYPE OF GRAPHIC OR THE THE ONLINE MAP SO WE DID GET MORE THAN 147 COMMENTS ON THAT. THERE WAS A PEOPLE WERE ABLE TO POPULATE INFORMATION SUCH AS LIKE TAGGING ACTUAL WHERE THEY FEEL UNSAFE WALKING OR BIKING OR DESTINATIONS THAT THEY DO OR WOULD LIKE TO WALK OR BIKE TO IF THERE WERE BETTER FACILITIES SPOTS WHERE THEY THINK THE FACILITIES ARE VERY COMFORTABLE. SO EXAMPLES THE TYPES OF FACILITIES THAT THEY LIKE AND THEN BRIGHT IDEAS SUGGESTED SOLUTIONS OR IMPROVEMENTS THIS WAS A USEFUL TOOL BECAUSE IT REALLY PROVIDED AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO GET INTO THE DETAILS AND THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO DO IS THEY WANT SHARE LIKE THE ROUTE THAT THEY SPECIFICALLY WANT TO USE OR OR DO USE AND WHAT THEIR EXPERIENCES AND THAT INFORMATION IS VERY VERY USEFUL BECAUSE I LIKE TO BIKE A LITTLE BIT. I LOVE TO WALK. I'M NOT WALKING EVERY LITTLE SECTION OF THE CITY AND NEITHER IS ANY OF THE STAFF BUT GETTING THOSE CONVERSATIONS EVEN JUST THROUGH THE COMMENTS WAS REALLY VALUABLE. ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAD ALL THOSE DIFFERENT COMMENTS SOME OF THE OVERARCHING THEMES THAT WE HEARD WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT OLD COPY ROAD THAT IT'S BOTH WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO BE AND ALSO OF TERRIBLE ALONG THE CORRIDOR OF LIKE THAT ARE JUST NOT REALLY ADEQUATE OR SUFFICIENT FOR ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION NEEDS WE ALSO HEARD THAT PEOPLE WANT TO WALK TO RETAIL THAT SEEMED TO BE LIKE THE NUMBER ONE THING THEY REALLY WANT TO JUST BE ABLE TO TO WALK TO RETAIL AREAS OF COURSE PEOPLE WANT TO WALK TO BIKES TO SCHOOLS AND PARKS AS WELL. WE HEARD THAT THERE STILL ARE A LOT FOUR LANE ROADWAYS. MANY OF THEM HAVE CURB WALK AND THEY ARE NOT FRIENDLY PEDESTRIANS. WE DID GET A LOT OF COMMENTS ABOUT LYNDALE AVENUE AS AN IDEAL NORTH-SOUTH CORRIDOR AS WELL WHICH FITS WELL INTO ARMS THE STUDY, THE PLAN AND THE FACT THAT THE STUDY HAPPENED PRIMARILY THROUGH THE WINTER WE KIND OF THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS GOING TO BE A NEGATIVE THING BUT IT REALLY DID HELP PEOPLE VISUALIZE OUR SIDEWALK AND TRAIL NETWORK NOT IN THE IDEAL CONDITIONS BUT REALLY IN THE WINTER CONDITIONS AS WELL. SO WE DID GET A LOT OF COMMENTS ABOUT SNOW IMPACTS ON SAFETY AND USAGE AND IMPORTANCE OF MAINTENANCE OF THOSE TYPES OF FACILITIES AS WELL AND SOME EXAMPLES. ALL RIGHT. BUILDING NETWORK THIS THIS SECTION REALLY HELPS TO PRIORITIZE SOME ROUTES AND I JUST WANTED TO QUICKLY SAY THAT MAPPING AND ACTION PLANNING EXERCISE HAPPENED WE HAD MULTIPLE TABLES UP AND EVERYBODY HAD A GRAPHIC OF JUST DIFFERENT DESTINATIONS AROUND THE CITY. WE HAD ANOTHER ONE THAT WAS BUS STOPS AND, TRANSIT STATIONS AND LASTLY BRAIN DOESN'T WORK AS WELL 11:00 AT NIGHT SCHOOLS AND PARKS AND SO WE WERE IDENTIFYING KEY NEIGHBORHOOD LOCATIONS, DRAWING ROUTES AND YOU START STACKING ALL OF THOSE MAPS ON TOP OF EACH OTHER IN SOME VERY DISTINCT SOLID LINES. KIM CAME THROUGH THAT. AND SO THAT WAS REALLY THE TOOL THAT WAS HELPED TO USE TO BUILD THIS PRIORITY FOR ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION ROUTES IT BUILDS UPON OUR EXISTING AS I'VE MENTIONED OUR EXISTING 2016 ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM PLAN IT HELPED YOU KNOW THIS PROCESS HELPED TO INFORM AN UPDATE AND IDENTIFY THE COMPLETED PROJECTS SINCE THAT PLAN WAS LAST DEVELOPED IN 2016 AND IT HELPED TO REAFFIRM A LOT OF LOCATIONS AND ADD SOME NEW ROUTES THAT THAT CAME UP IN THAT PLANNING AS WELL. SO THERE'S 18 SEGMENTS NUMBER ON HERE. I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THOSE ARE ALL 18 ARE PRIORITY SEGMENTS. SO IT'S A RANKING IT'S JUST A NUMBERING SYSTEM. OKAY. SO I HAVE THE GRAPHICS FOR ALL 18 BUT WHAT I WANT TO DO IS JUST WALK THROUGH A COUPLE OF THEM AND SHOW YOU THAT THE LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT GOES INTO IT AND HOW IT CALLS UP FOR SHORT TERM MID-TERM AND LONG TERM PLANNING FOR EACH OF THESE. SO THE FIRST SEGMENT IS 84TH STREET WE CALL IT THE NORTHERN SPUR THE MID-CITY BY GRACE SO MID-CITY BIKEWAY MOSTLY RUNS ALONG 86TH STREET EAST WEST ACROSS THE CITY THERE WAS A THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT NEW THAT HADN'T REALLY COME UP THE LAST TIME BUT TYPICALLY OUR ROUTE FOR A MID-CITY BIKEWAY DOES GO TO THE SOUTH SPAN AND OVER ON 90TH STREET INTO HIGHLAND PARK SO MUCH DEMAND FOR THAT TO GO NORTH FOLLOW 84 STREET AND CONNECT TO HIGHLAND TRAIL AND THE REST OF THE NETWORK THAT DIRECTION AND SO THIS IN OUR STUDY RECOMMENDS WE PURSUE THAT ROUTE AND IT LAYS OUT THAT WOULD STUDY AND DEVELOP A PLAN FOR 84TH STREET GET THAT INTO O C.I. P JUST KIND OF ALL THE CRITIL STEPS THAT HEL TO GET A LITTLE MOMENT DO A PILOTROJECT THAT WOULD BE JUST LIKE A ICKEMONSTRAON PJECT IN THAT ARE AND TN LON TERM OF URSE BE SOM RECONSTRUCTION OF THE STREET AND THAT DOES SEE IT WITH FUY SEPARATED BE LANES CYCLE TRACK NEEDED INTERSECTION TREATMENTS TO IMPROVE THE SAFETY AND FLOW FOR ALL USERS. SO IT IT IT'S A LITTLE BIT DETAILED IN THAT THIS PLAN HELPS ENCOURAGE THE NEXT STEPS IT'S NOT PRESCRIPTIVE IT DOESN'T US EXACTLY WHICH TREATMENTS ARE GOING TO BE NEEDED SO IT'S IT'S AN IMPORTANT GUIDING DOCUMENT IT IS NOT A OKAY NOW WE'RE READY TO DO 84TH STREET. ALL RIGHT. SO 102ND STREET CAME A COUPLE OF TIMES AND OUR JUST GOT IN DISCUSSIONS TONIGHT AS WELL SO THAT IS THAT JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THAT SECTION IS PRIORITIZED IN HERE. OKAY SO THIS IS GETTING TO THE END OF THE PRIORITY PROJECTS. WE'LL CHALK UP YOUR OWN ANOTHER BIG OUTCOME RECOMMENDATIONS IS STREET DESIGN JUST OVERARCHING RECOMMENDATIONS FOR STREET DESIGN AND OPERATIONS PEDESTRIAN TREATMENTS AND BIKE TREATMENTS. SO THIS IS JUST HIGHLIGHTING THE IS OUR CITY COMPLETE STREETS POLICIES OUTDATED AND OLD AND IT CALLS FOR AN OF THAT ADDRESS CITYWIDE SPEEDS AND SO THAT'S ALREADY ACTUALLY IN PROCESS YOU HAVE HEARD ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT TONIGHT AS WELL THE EVALUATION FOR LANE ON DIVIDED STREET SEPARATE STARS AND SO THE THAT ARE ALREADY PROGRAMED FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS FOR STUDIES FROM THE WALKING CATEGORY OVER TO RECOMMENDATIONS FOCUSED PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS ALONG AND ACROSS KEY CORRIDORS THIS IS WHERE AMERICAN BOULEVARD OR ABBEY ROAD ALL RIGHT BIKE SECTION DESIGN BIKE WAYS TO ALIGN WITH THE ALL AGES AND ABILITIES NOT WORK ALL RIGHT. OTHER THING THAT'S ENGINEERING IS IS HAS BEEN TRYING TO WORK ON AND DEVELOP AND THESE RECOMMENDATIONS WILL FIT VERY WELL INTO IT IS DEVELOPING SOME WAY TO PRIORITIZE CONSTRUCTION SO WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE IS THERE ARE LOT OF STREETS IN BLOOMINGTON THAT HAVE NO SIDEWALK AT ALL THAT MAY BE FINE AND SOME SITUATIONS THIS GIVES A LOT OF REALLY GOOD GUIDANCE ON HOW WE CAN PUT TOGETHER SOME GUIDELINES TO HELP LIKE ONE MORE CONSIDERING A ROAD AND TO PRIORITIZE OR SCORE OR DEVELOP SOME KIND OF THRESHOLDS PRIORITIZATION. ALL RIGHT. SO NEXT STEPS MOVING FORWARD SO START DOING SOME OF THE LOW COST QUICK BUILD PROJECTS WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING WITH MOM AND DAD . I HAVE A MEETING SCHEDULED IN ABOUT THREE WEEKS TO DO AND TO START PLANNING FOR AN ACTIVE DEMONSTRATION PROJECT. SO PICKING ONE OF THE SHORT QUICK LITTLE DO SOME STRIPING CHANGES OR SOMETHING ELSE SO WE'RE WE'D CONSIDER FOURTH AVENUE WE SAW SOME PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AND DEMANDS OVER IN THAT AREA WE COULD DO A DEMONSTRATION PROJECT THERE MAYBE THERE SOMETHING ALONG 100/2 STREET SORT OF STARTING TO GET SOME MOMENTUM IN SPOTS WHERE WE HAVE HAD A HARD TIME MAKING CHANGES OR GETTING THEM APPROVED AND MAYBE JUST SHOWING WHAT WORKS WHAT DOESN'T WORK SIMILAR TO HOW WE DO OUR TRAFFIC CIRCLE TRIALS AND KIND OF THING AND THEN JUST CONTINUING TO ORGANIZE AND ADVOCATE FOR THIS PLAN AND PUT THE PLAN INTO ACTION SO I JUST WANTED TO SHOW WHERE WE IN THE PROCESS HERE I WILL BE VISITING THE SUSTAINABILITY COMMISSION FOR RECOMMENDATION WELL AND THEN ULTIMATELY GOING TO CITY COUNCIL IN DECEMBER ALL RIGHT I AM CERTAINLY HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE SORRY IF I WENT TOO FAST OR TOO SLOW THROUGH THAT BUT THANK YOU. THIS IS A LOT OF WORK AND IT'S THE KIND OF STUFF THAT I THINK WE NEED TO PRIORITIZING. SO THANK YOU FOR IDEAS THE SHORT TERM AND LONG TERM THE YOU KNOW DEMONSTRATION PROJECTS LIKE I THINK THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT OFTEN GET OVERLOOKED BECAUSE YOU KNOW AGAIN IT WON'T BE A SURPRISE TO YOU OR ANYONE YOU KNOW THAT WE PRIORITIZE WASTE CHEAP AND FAST AND SO OUR ROADS ARE WE REBUILD THEM THE WAY THEY WERE. WE BUILD LOTS OF LANES TO GET PEOPLE FROM A TO B REALLY FAST AND YOU KNOW UNFORTUNATELY IF YOU GET BUMPED INTO ALONG THE WAY SO I THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD STUFF IN HERE AND IT'S A PART OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE STARTING TO THINK ABOUT AS WE AS WE GET MORE SERIOUS ABOUT BEING YOU KNOW, THE THE MODERN SUBURB VERSUS THE 6070 SUBURBS. SOME THOUGHTS FEEDBACK FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER CLIFTON THANKS MR. CHAIR. MS. MORROW AND I WANT TO START WITH SOMETHING VERY SPECIFIC IF ROAD IS THERE A PLAN IN PLACE TO FIX IT, WHAT'S WHAT'S THE FUTURE OF THAT? THE THE COUNTY RIGHT EXACTLY. SO THERE'S A PLAN TO TRY TO COORDINATE WITH THE COUNTY TO ,START TO DEVELOP A LONG TERM PLAN FOR I'LL TALK ABOUT ROAD THERE ARE NO SPECIFIC LOCATION PLANS OTHER THAN A COUPLE OF LIKE GAPS IN THE IN THE NETWORK COMPLETELY IS SOME LOCATIONS THAT DON'T ANY FACILITIES WHERE WE'RE PUSHING HARD AND ADVOCATING FOR BUT WE DO THINK THAT THERE THERE NEEDS TO BE STRONG COORDINATION WITH THE COUNTY AND MOVING FORWARD ON A PLAN IS THAT OCCURRING NOW OR IS THAT NOT OCCURRING NOW SO WE HAVE NOT HAD CURRENT DISCUSSIONS WITH HENNEPIN COUNTY ABOUT THIS. LET'S DO THAT. THAT IS TERRIBLE AND LET'S LET'S LET'S DO IT. I WOULD ENCOURAGE MEMBERS OF THE QUESTION TO ENGAGE THE APPROPRIATE LEVEL FOR US COUNTY COMMISSIONER FOR OUR AREA AS WELL WHAT IS THE COUNTY'S POSITION BEEN ON THAT? ARE THEY EXCITED ABOUT IT OR DO THEY NOT HAVE EXCITEMENT ABOUT FIXING THAT ? I'M KIND OF DEFERRING TO THE CITY ENGINEER BECAUSE IT REALLY IT'S A BIG CORRIDOR AND IT'S A BIG DISCUSSION. JERRAM AND COMMISSIONER COOKED IN THE COUNTY HAS NOT BEEN ALL THAT ENTHUSIASTIC WITH THE PROJECT BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK ON THE EXISTING EVEN TO JUST DO A STUDY THERE ARE A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL HOMES IN THERE. THEY BELIEVE THERE'D BE RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION NECESSARY TO DO THE PROJECT AND SO I THINK THEY LOOK AT IT AS A GIANT ELEPHANT AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO EAT THE ELEPHANT AND WE HAVE SKIPPED AHEAD AND WE'VE STARTED PUTTING PROJECTS OUR CAP ANYWAY BECAUSE WE THINK IT'S IMPORTANT IT'S HOW OUR COMMUNITY IS GOING TO WANTS TO TRAVEL NOW AND NEEDS TO TRAVEL SAFELY SO WE ARE AS MS. MORONE MENTIONED WORKING ON STRATEGIES ON ENCOURAGING THEM TO WORK WITH US ON A PLAN. SO AS CHAIR ROHMAN INDICATED ANY ADDITIONAL HELP WE COULD GET FROM OUR COMMISSIONERS OR OUR COUNCIL WE WOULD BE VERY GRATEFUL FOR THEY ALSO HAVE CLIMATE ACTION PLANS AND WE HAVE STARTED TO SEE A SHIFT. HENNEPIN COUNTY OF 2023 IS NOT WHO HASN'T BEEN COUNTY OF 2013 WAS SO SOMETIMES I KNOW I BRING SOME OF MY BAGGAGE BECAUSE I'VE BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE BUT IT JUST IS A GOOD REMINDER THAT WE NEED TO ENGAGE WITH THEM BECAUSE. WHO THEY ARE IN THE PAST ISN'T WHO THEY ARE RIGHT NOW AND THE EXAMPLE I USE RIGHT NOW IS WE ARE PARTNERING ON A FUTURE PROJECT ON NICOLLET AVENUE WHICH IS A HENNEPIN COUNTY ROAD AND. THEY MET WITH US AHEAD OF TIME TO TALK ABOUT THE SCOPE SHARED THAT WE HAD CONCERNS ABOUT HOW BIKES AND PADS MOVE THROUGH THE CORRIDOR AND HOW WE WANT TO ENGAGE OUR NEIGHBORS AND THEY'VE LISTENED TO THAT FEEDBACK. I CRASHED A MEETING IN RICHFIELD, THEIR SEGMENT OF NICOLLET AVENUE JUST TO SEE HOW IT WAS GOING SO I COULD SEE HOW OURS WOULD GO ON THE FUTURE SO THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THAT THEY USED TO BE BUT WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO REACH OUT TO AND ENCOURAGE THIS. I JUST THINK THIS ONE OLD SHAKOPEE IS A MUCH LONGER CORRIDOR THAN NICOLLET AVENUE BUT THE SAME WAY THAT HENNEPIN COUNTY IS DOING THAT ONE WHERE THEY'RE DOING SO MANY BLOCKS IN RICHFIELD THEY'RE LOOKING A PHASE ONE IN BLOOMINGTON WE HAVE A SECOND PHASE PLANNED IN BLOOMINGTON AS WELL. I THINK WE JUST NEED TO COME UP WITH A PLAN, START WORKING TOWARDS THAT GOAL. INFRASTRUCTURE TAKES A LONG TIME BECAUSE. IT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY AND I'M RAMBLING AT A REALLY LATE HOUR I'M GOING TO BE QUIET NOW AND TURN IT OVER BACK TO MS.. MARON MISSOURI. IF I COULD JUST FOLLOW UP ON THAT. I WAS RECENTLY AT THE MINNESOTA EPA CONFERENCE AND THERE WAS A LONG PRESENTATION ON SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR TO THIS AND DON'T REMEMBER WHAT MUNICIPALITY WAS IN BUT THERE WAS A TRAFFIC SITUATION THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED AND THE POWERS THAT BE DIDN'T WANT DO IT FOR YEARS AND THEN TRAGICALLY IN ELEMENTARY AGED GIRL AND HER BICYCLE GOT HIT BY A SEMI AND THEN THERE WAS A LOT OF MOVEMENT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT AND I THINK WE LEAVING OURSELVES OPEN TO THAT SITUATION WITH THE CONDITIONS ON ALL GEOGRAPHY ROAD AND LET'S NOT LET SOMEBODY GET HURT OR KILLED TO CONVINCE US TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. COMMISSIONER GOLDSON THANKS CHAIR. I WOULD ECHO SHOCK OPINION AND THE ONE THING THAT I THINK ABOUT IS SO DURING THE PANDEMIC WE BOUGHT BIKES MY FAMILY AND I AND SO I BIKE WITH MY TWO YOUNG BOYS. I HAVE A IN THE BACK AND THEN I HAVE A NINE YEAR OLD THAT COMES ALONG WITH ME AND WE LIVE JUST DOWN THE STREET FROM FROM CITY HALL. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I AM ALWAYS FACED WITH IS I WOULD LOVE TO TAKE THEM ON THE NEW TRAIL ON AVENUE OR THERE'S SOME GREAT TRAILS THE EAST SIDE BY THE MALL THAT ACTUALLY LINK ALL THE WAY UP TO LAKE NOKOMIS GETTING FURTHER THERE'S HIGHLAND PARK. I HAVE A REALLY HARD TIME GETTING EAST OR WEST OF MY HOME TO GET TO THE GREAT PATHS THAT WE CAN GET TO NINE MILE NINE MILE CREEK PARKWAY PATH THAT DOESN'T LINK UP TO THE FRANCE AVENUE BECAUSE OF THE SIDEWALK CONTINUING GAPS THAT ARE THERE ANYWAYS I'M RAMBLING AS BUT I THINK WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT YOU. THERE'S SOME GREAT PATHS TO SOME GREAT RESOURCES NORTH TO SOUTH BUT THERE'S A BIG GAP EAST TO WEST AND I THINK IT WILL SHAKOPEE COULD BE A SOLUTION 90TH ACTUALLY COULD BE A SOLUTION BUT NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW YOU'RE HOW ARE GOING TO GET THERE SAFELY AND I I'VE GONE ON OLD SHOCK VIEW WITH MY BOYS AND IT'S TERRIFYING I NEVER DO IT AGAIN UNTIL SOME THINGS FIX SO THAT'S I SAY. MR.. ALBRECHT AS A RESIDENT OF LITTLE CHUCK B ROAD I TOTALLY AGREE. I MEAN I, I LIVE IN AN AREA WHERE THERE'S A TON OF SPACE TO WALK ON THE SOUTH SIDE BECAUSE I LIVE IN KIND OF A DE SAC SO I HAVE TO CROSS OLD CHUCK B OR, I HAVE TO WALK ALONG OLD CHUCK B WITH MY UNRULY DOGS OR MY 14 MONTH OLD KIDDO AND I USUALLY DRIVE SOMEWHERE TO WALK WHICH IS NOT IDEAL. I DON'T LOVE THAT. SO YEAH I JUST ECHO THAT AND YOU CAN HAVE MY RIGHT OF WAY. IT'S YOUR THINGS OTHER FEEDBACK MR.. COOKSON MR. CHAIR THANKS. I'D LIKE TO BRING UP ONE MORE SPECIFIC LOCATION AND BE OUT OF THE TOURIST SECTION OR WHATEVER BUT THE VERY, VERY NORTHEASTERN TIP OF BLOOMINGTON SO YOU GO PAST THE THE VISITOR CENTER OF THE WILDLIFE REFUGE AND THEN AMERICAN BOULEVARD AND THERE IT TURNS INTO A TRAIL YOU COULD BIKE I BELIEVE THAT'S THE 494 BRIDGE TO WHEREVER GOES AND YOU CANNOT GET INTO SNELLING STATE PARK INEXPLICABLY WHICH TAKES YOU TO A BUNCH OTHER PLACES DOWNTOWN SAINT PAUL WHEREVER YOU WANT TO GO IF YOU COULD LINK UP THAT THERE'S JUST THIS CRAZY MISSING CONNECTION TO GET THROUGH THERE YOU'D HAVE TO GO UP THROUGH THE AIRPORT AND DO A BUNCH OF JUST ABSOLUTELY WILD THINGS CROSS A BRIDGE THAT HAS NO SIDEWALK TO GET DOWN IN THE FORT SNELLING STATE PARK AND WE'RE SO CLOSE YOU JUST HAVE TO LIKE GET DOWN A VERY STEEP HILL. SO I UNDERSTAND WHY THE CONNECTION IS NOT THERE AND THAT MIGHT NOT EVEN BE THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON THIS LAND TO DO IT I DON'T KNOW BUT IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THERE'S MASSIVE MISSING CONNECTION OF ALL THESE TRAILS THAT GO INTO SAINT AND YOU CAN SEE THAT TRAIL YOU CAN'T GET DOWN THE HILL SO I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT ADDRESSED COMMISSIONER HURRY MAKE SURE SO FIRST I THINK THIS IS GREAT ALL OF THE I DON'T KNOW THE TRANSPORTATION STUFF THAT WE'VE HAD SO FAR I THINK I'VE PROBABLY QUESTIONED KIRK ON SINGLE ONE OF THEM ABOUT STRIPING BIKE LANES AND THAT SORT OF THING. THIS RECTIFIES EVERYTHING SO I'LL JUST BE QUIET FROM NOW ON . BUT I THINK THE MOUNTAIN BIKING THING IN WOULD BE SWEET BUT I REALIZE THAT YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH THREE THREE RIVERS SO HERE'S WHAT IT IS. THE ONE THING THAT I THOUGHT LOOKING AT IT AND LOOKING AT THE COMMENT FROM SOMEBODY WHO WROTE IN WAS NEEDED LINKAGES WHICH WE'VE ALL ALREADY BEEN TALKING ABOUT BUT SPECIFICALLY INTO LYNDALE AVENUE FOR TO SUPPORT KIND OF A NEIGHBORHOOD RETROFIT PLAN. RIGHT. IF WE WANT THAT TO BE MAIN STREET WE SHOULD MAKE THAT AS ACCESSIBLE AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THAT MORE OF A WALKING BIKING TYPE AREA ANYWAYS. SO THAT'S IT THAT'S I GOT EVERYONE I WAS THINKING TOO YOU TALKED ABOUT LIKE DEMONSTRATION PROJECTS. THERE COULD BELSOEMPORARY PROJECTS RIGHT? I THINK OF IT'S ONE THAT I'VE SUESTED THAT T THEIGHT OPLE WHI I WHY W HAVEN'T DO IT BUT IN LIKE YOU'VE IDENTIFIED THE 84T CORRIDOR FROM FRANCE IN ARMIDALE SO IT MAY NOT EVEN THAT MAY THAT'S ON YOUR PERMANENT LIST BUT THAT'S THE KIND OF A PLACE LIKE THI ABOUT WHEN YOU HAVE SUER AND YOU'VE G HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BIKE AND THAT'S NOT A HOSPITABLE PLACE TO BIKE WHICH IS WHY IT'S ON YOUR LIST BUT FOR AN EVENT YOU MIGHT CHOOSE TO CONE OFF THE ENTIRE NORTHERN LANE ALL THE WAY BETWEEN THERE BECAUSE THE REAL CRUSH IS GETTING OUT AND PEOPLE GOING EASTBOUND BUT OR WHEN YOU HAVE HERITAGE DAYS WHEN IT COMES BACK OR WHATEVER SO THERE MAY BE OPPORTUNITIES FOR POP UP FACILITIES IF YOU WILL THAT SERVE A PURPOSE FOR A DAY OR TWO DAYS AND THEN THEY'RE GONE. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE TO BE CREATIVE ABOUT THINGS LIKE THAT TOO. THANK YOU. THIS IS A PUBLIC COMMENT OPPORTUNITY. IT'S NOT A HEARING. IT'S A PUBLIC COMMENT OPPORTUNITY AND THAT'S GOING TO SAY THERE'S NOBODY IN THE CHAMBERS WHO WANTS TO ON THIS AND THERE'S NOBODY ONLINE. SO IT'S WE'RE IN OUR SIXTH HOUR. YES. COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT. HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION. PLEASE DO. IS YOUR CHAIR? YES. IF I MAY MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT YOU MAY. SORRY. YOU AS THE CHAIR HAVE THE ABILITY TO SPEAK FOR THIS COMMISSION AND I WOULD ASK YOU TO CONSIDER WHAT YOU MENTIONED TALKING WITH OUR COUNTY COMMISSIONER ETC. I WOULD ASK YOU TO CONSIDER PERHAPS WRITING A LETTER ON OUR BEHALF STATING INTEREST IN DOING SOMETHING ABOUT ALL CHUCK B ROAD OR IMPRESSING UPON THEM ITS IMPORTANCE TO US TO CREATING A SAFE CORRIDOR I WILL LEAVE THAT TO YOU TO WORK WITH THE PLANNING MANAGER ON THE APPROPRIATE WAY THAT THAT HAPPENS. COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT THANK YOU. I RECOMMEND I MOVE TO RECOMMEND THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVE OR ACCEPT THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION ACTION PLAN SECOND THANK YOU EMOTION AND A SECOND TO RECOMMEND ACCEPTANCE OF THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN BEFORE THE DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I OPPOSED MOTION PASSES. THIS ITEM WILL BE ON THE NOVEMBER 27TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING AS ORGANIZATIONAL BUSINESS AND ON THE DECEMBER 18TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR ADOPTION. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS TO CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE DRAFT AUGUST 31ST PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SYNOPSIS EVERYONE HERE WAS ATTENDANCE TO HAVE A MOTION SO MOVED SECOND MOTION IN A SECOND ANY DISCUSSION OR EDITS ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I OPPOSE MOTION PASSES AND ITEM NUMBER EIGHT PLANNING COMMISSION POLICY AND ISSUE UPDATE IF CHAIRMAN COMMISSIONERS OUR NEXT MEETING NOVEMBER 16TH WE HAVE FOUR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA ANNUAL MISCELLANEOUS ISSUES PUBLIC HEARING MISCELLANEOUS ISSUES ORDINANCE THE ANNUAL REVIEW OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM THE THERE IS AN APPLICATION A LARGE SENIOR MULTIFAMILY BUILDING AT 700 AMERICAN LYNDALE AN AMERICAN THAT WILL BE YEARS OF REZONING PRELIMINARY AND FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THEN ANOTHER APPLICATION FOR A BUILDING EXPANSION OF THE BP AT 9200 OLD CEDAR AVENUE NEXT MEETING AFTER THAT NOVEMBER 30TH. THE ONLY TWO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA ARE THE TWO THAT YOU CONTINUED TONIGHT NEED TO THAT WOULD BE NOVEMBER 30TH AND THEN DECEMBER 7TH THAT MEETING APPLICATION DEADLINE HAS CLOSED. WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY APPLICATION TIONS SO UNLESS ITEMS ARE CONTINUED TO THE MEETING THERE MAY NOT BE A MEETING ON DECEMBER 7TH. ANYTHING ELSE THAT ANYONE ON THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO BRING FORWARD? COMMISSIONER GOLTZMAN THANK YOU CHAIR. SO BASED ON THE TIMING TONIGHT, WILL WE HAVE THE 11:00 TIMELINE INCLUDED IN THE MISCELLANEOUS ISSUES THAT'S NOT AN ORDINANCE, IT'S JUST THE COMMISSION'S RULES OF PROCEDURE OH SO IT'D BE PART OF THE RULES SO WE AND I THINK WE CAN AMEND THOSE AT ANY TIME YEAH CHAIR ROOM AND THAT'S CORRECT YOU COULD AMEND IT AT ANY TIME TECHNICALLY IT NEEDS TO BE APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL BUT IN TERMS STOP TIME YOU'RE IN CONTROL OF THAT WHETHER OR NOT IT'S IN YOUR RULES SO WOULD THAT BE AGAIN LATE BUT PROCESS WOULD JUST IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AN AGENDA ITEM IT CAN JUST BE WHAT IT COULD BE THAT I HAVE A FALL UNDER THIS IS KIND OF AN ITEM NEXT TIME UNDER MISCELLANEOUS ISSUES OR POLICY AND ISSUES YEAH JEROME I THINK WHEN YOU ACTUALLY MAKE THE MOTION WE WOULD WANT IT AS AN ITEM. YOU COULD DIRECT ME TONIGHT TO PUT IT ON A AGENDA IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT. YES YOU CAN ADD IT. YES CHRIS YEAH. WOULD YOU LIKE IT NOVEMBER 16TH OR NOVEMBER 30TH 16TH PLACE AND I THINK WE CAN DISCUSS AT THAT POINT BUT I THINK OUR CONSENSUS IN THE PAST WAS 11:00 WAS OR WHATEVER THE CITY COUNCIL HAS IN THEIR LANGUAGE WAS WHAT WE WERE INTENDING TO HAVE IN OUR RULES NOW CAN PEOPLE CAN WE CAN DISCUSS THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO WE'RE NOT READY TO ACT ON WHATEVER IS DRAFTED ON THE 16TH WE CAN CERTAINLY CHANGE IT BUT HISTORICALLY I THINK THAT WAS THE INTENT JUST MIRROR THEIR LANGUAGE. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? WE ARE ADJOURNED