>> Chair Downs: THANK YOU FOR JOINING US THIS EVENING. IT'S 7:00. WE WILL NOW KICK OFF OUR JUNE 19th REGULAR MEETING FOR P&Z. I'VE GOT THE BOARD STANDING UP, SITTING DOWN, I'M NOT SURE WHAT I'M DOING. PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE] >> COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING IS TO ALLOW UP TO THREE MINUTES PE SPEAKER WITH 30 TOTAL MINUTES ON ITEMS OF INTEREST OR CONCERN AND NOT ON ITEMS THAT ARE ON TH CURRENT AGENDA. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS THESE ITEMS, BUT MAY RESPOND WITH FACTUAL OR POLICY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAY CHOOSE TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA. THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAY MODIF THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NECESSARY. >> Chair Downs: DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? >> NO, WE DO NOT. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. LET'S MOVE TO CONSENT. >> CONSENT AGENDA. THE CONSENT AGENDA WILL BE ACTED UPON IN ONE MOTION AND CONTAINS ITEMS WHICH ARE ROUTINE AND TYPICALLY NONCONTROVERSIAL. ITEMS MAY BE REMOVED FROM THIS AGENDA FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION BY COMMISSIONERS OR STAFF. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO REMOVE AN ITEM FROM CONSENT AGENDA? SEEING NONE -- >> I MOVE WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS SUBMITTED. >> SECOND. >> Chair Downs: I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKY WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LISLE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. PLEASE VOTE. MR. LISLE. >> [OFF MIC] >> Chair Downs: IT SHOWS THAT IT DID. THERE YOU GO. THAT ITEM CARRIES BY A VOTE OF 8-0. WE HAVE ALL OF US TOGETHR FOR THE FIRST TIME IN A WHILE. ITEM 1. >> ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSID PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. UNLESS INSTRUCTED OTHERWISE BY THE CHAIR, SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED IN THE ORDER REGISTRATIONS ARE APPLICANTS ARE LIMITED TO A TOTAL OF 15 MINUTES OF PRESENTATION TIME WITH A FIVE MINUTE REBUTTAL, IF NEEDED. REMAINING SPEAKERS ARE LIMITED TO 30 TOTAL MINUTES OF TESTIMONY TIME, WITH THREE MINUTES ASSIGNED PER SPEAKER. THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAY MODIF THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NECESSARY ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION ITEMS MUST BE APPROVED IF THEY MEET CITY DEVELOPMENT REGULATIO LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERION ITEMS ARE MORE DISCRETIONARY, EXCEPT AS CONSTRAINED BY LEGAL CONSIDE AGENDA ITEM NO. 1. PUBLIC HEARING - REPLAT: GRANITE PARK, PHASE III, BLOCK B, LOT 7 ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE ON ONE LO ON 3.9 ACRES LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF STATE HIGHWAY 121 AND GRANITE PARKWAY ZONED PLANNED DEVELOPMENT-42- CENTRAL BUSINESS1 AND LOCATED WITHIN THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY AND STATE HIGHWAY 121 OVERLAY D APPLICANT: GRANITE PARK VI, LP. THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONS. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. PARKER McDOWELL, PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. STAFF RECOMMENDS THIS ITEM FOR APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE RECORDATION OF OFF SITE ACCESS, DRAINAGE, AND SEWAGE EASEMENTS BY SEPARATE EASEMENTS AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? >> NO, WE DO NOT. I'M SORRY. YES, WE DO. WE HAVE THE -- NO. I'M SORRY. BACK IT UP. WE DO NOT. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. >> SORRY. >> Chair Downs: I GUESS WE HAVE NO SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM. >> WE DO NOT. >> Chair Downs: I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. CONFINE THE DISCUSSION TO THE COMMISSION. COMMISSIONER BRONSKY. >> I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NO. 1 SUBJECT TO THE RECORDATION OF THE OFF-SITE ACCESS DRAINAGE AND SEWAGE EASEMENTS BY SEPARATE EASEMENTS. >> Chair Downs: LADIES FIRST. I HAVE A MOTION BY MR. BROUNOFF WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER TONG. PLEASE VOTE. >> Chair Downs: THAT ITEM CARRIES 8-0. THANK YOU. ITEM 2. >> AGENDA ITEM NO. 2. PUBLIC HEARING - REPLAT: WILLOW BEND PLACE, BLOCK B, LOT 15R - ONE SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE-20 LOT ON 2.4 ACRES LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF CAVENDISH COURT, 120 FEET SOUTH OF CHISWICK LAKE ZONED SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE-2 APPLICANT: ROSS BRADLEY JONES AND SHARON ANNE JONES. THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATIO. >> STAFF RECOMMENDS THIS ITEM FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? >> I DO HAVE A QUESTION. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER CARY. >> Cary: YEAH, MAYBE I'M JUST MISSING IT. I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO HERE. WHAT ARE THEY TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH? >> YES. SO THEY ARE REDOING THE DRAINAGE AND FLOODWAY EASEMENT AS WELL AS THE ACCESS TO THAT EASEMENT. I BELIEVE ENGINEERING SAID THERE WAS A NEW CHANGE TO THE FLOOD STUDY OUT THERE AND THAT'S WHY THEY HAD TO DO THIS, TO REDO THOSE BOUNDARIES. >> Cary: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> Chair Downs: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> WE DO NOT HAVE ANY REGISTERED SPEAKERS. >> Chair Downs: I DIDN'T EVEN HAVE TO ASK. ALL RIGHT. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I MOVE WE APPROVE THIS AS SUBMITTED. >> I'LL SECOND. >> Chair Downs: I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKY WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CARY TO APPROVE ITEM 2 AS SUBMITTED. PLEASE VOTE. THAT ITEM CARRIES 8-0. ITEM 3. >> AGENDA ITEM NO. 3. PUBLIC HEARING - REPLAT: CENTRAL PLANO INDUSTRIAL PARK PHASE 1, BLOCK 1, LOT 2R - OFFICE SHOWROOM/WAREHOUSE ON ONE LOT O 5.3 ACRES LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF STEWART AVENUE AND SUMMIT AVENUE. ZONED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL-1. APPLICANT: STEWART EPA, LLC. THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONS. >> STAFF RECOMMENDS THE ITEM FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. SHOULD YOU JUST STAY UP THERE? >> THIS IS MY LAST ITEM. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? OKAY. YOU'RE FREE TO GO. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? >> THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> I MOVE WE APPROVE ITEM 3 AS SUBMITTED. >> SECOND. >> Chair Downs: I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER RATLIFF WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKY TO APPRVE ITEM 3 AS SUBMITTED. PLEASE VOTE. THAT ITEM CARRIES 8-0. MOVING RIGHT ALONG. ITEM 4. >> AGENDA ITEM NO. 4. PC HEARING - PRELIMINARY REPLAT: THE PLAZA AT CHASE OAKS, BLOCK A, LOT 3R - INDEPENDENT LIVING FACILITY ON ONE LOT ON 6.1 ACRES LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF CHASE OAKS BOULEVARD, 1,128 FEET WEST OF U.S. HIGHWAY ZONED CORRIDOR COMMERCIAL AND PLANNED DEVELOPMENT-277- RETAIL/GENERAL OFFICE WITH SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NO. 24 FOR INDEPENDENT LIVING FACILITY. APPLICANT: UNIFIED HOUSING FOUNDATION, INC. THIS IS FOR AD. >> GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. I'M RAHA POULADI, THE PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY REPLAT SUBJECT TO ADDITIONS AND/OR ALTERATIONS TO THE ENGINEERING PLANS AS REQUIRED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER ON THIS ITEM? >> NO, WE DO NOT. >> Chair Downs: I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, CONFINE DISCUSSION TO THE COMMISSION. MR. BROUNOFF. >> Brounoff: I MOVE WE APPROVE ITEM 4 SUBJECT TO ADDITIONS AND/OR ALTERATIONS TO THE ENGINEERING PLANS AS REQUIRED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. >> I SECOND THAT. >> Chair Downs: I MISSED SOMETHING OVER HERE. COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF MAKES A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 4, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER OLLEY. PLEASE VOTE. THAT ITEM CARRIES 8-0. MR. CARY IS OVER HERE STEALING THE FAN. >> Cary: DID I TAKE IT AWAY FROM YOU? >> Chair Downs: IT'S FINE. NO NO NO. WE'RE GOOD. >> AGENDA ITEM NO. 5. PUBLIC HEARING - PRELIMINARY REPLAT AND REVISED SITE PLAN: PARKWAY SQUARE, BLOCK 1, LOT 1R - PROFE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE ON ONE LO ON 4.2 ACRES LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF PLANO PARKWAY AND F AVENUE. ZONED CORRIDOR COMMERCIAL AND LOCATED WITHIN THE 190 TOLLWAY/PLANO PARKWAY OVERLAY D APPLICANT: DALLAS NORTH INDUSTRIAL, LLC. THIS IS FOR AD. >> THANK YOU, MS. BRIDGES. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY REPLAT SUBJECT TO -- SORRY. ADDITIONS AND ALTERATIONS TO THE ENGINEERING PLANS AS REQUIRED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND AS FOR THE REVISED SITE PLAN, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED. >> Chair Downs: QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? MR. LISLE. MICROPHONE PLEASE. >> Lisle: WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS REPLAT? >> SURE. THIS SITE PLAN AND PRELIMINARY REPLAT WAS INITIATED BY DART AS THEY ARE ESTABLISHING AN EASEMENT ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THIS PROPERTY. >> Lisle: THANK YOU. >> SURE. >> Chair Downs: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? >> NO, WE DO NOT. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. MR. RATLIF >> Ratliff: I MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY REPLAT SUBJECT TO ADDITIONS AND/OR ALTER ALTERATIONS TO THE ENGINEERING PLAN AS REQUIRED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND THE SITE PLAN AS SUBMITTED. >> SECOND. >> Chair Downs: I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER RATLIFF WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKY TO APPROVE ITEM 5 AS INDICATED. PLEASE VOTE. THAT ITEM CARRIES 8-0. >> AGENDA ITEM NO. 6. PUBLIC HEARING - PRELIMINARY REPLAT AND REVID SI PLAN: PRESBYTERIAN HOSPITAL OF PLANO, BLOCK A, LOT 1R - HOSPITAL, MEDICAL OFFICE, DAY CARE CENTER, AND HELIPORT ON ON LOT ON 36.9 ACRES LOCATED AT TH SOUTHWEST CORNER OF PARKER ROAD AND COMMUNICATIONS PARKWAY. ZONED PLANNED DEVELOPMENT-427- GENERAL OFFICE LOCATED WITHIN THE PARKWAY OVERLAY DISTRICT WITH SPECIAL USE PERMITS NO. 14 FOR HELIPORT, NO. 142 FOR DAY CARE CENTER, AND NO. 143 FOR HO APPLICANT: TEXAS HEALTH PLANO. THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONS. >> STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY REPLAT SUBJECT TO ADDITIONS AND ALTERATIONS TO THE ENGINEERING PLANS AS REQUIRED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. AND ALSO FOR THE REVISED SITE PLAN, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REVISED SITE PLAN AS SUBMITTED. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SEEING NONE, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? >> NO, WE DO NOT. >> Chair Downs: I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. CONFINE THE DISCUSSION TO THE COMMISSION. MR. BROUNOFF. >> Brounoff: MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE WE APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY REPLAT IN THIS ITEM SUBJECT TO ADDITIONS AND/OR ALTERATIONS TO THE ENGINEERING PLANS AS REQUIRED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. AND THAT WE APPROVE THE REVISED SITE PLAN AS SUBMITTED. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. >> SECOND. >> Chair Downs: I HAVE A MOTION BY MR. BROUNOFF WITH A SECOND BY MR. RATLIFF TO APPROVE ITEM 6 AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. PLEASE VOTE. MR. BRONSKY, THERE WE GO. THAT ITEM CARRIES 8-0. >> Chair Downs: CAN WE TAKE A PAUSE FOR A SECOND? >> SURE. >> [OFF MIC] >> Chair Downs: BECAUSE WE'VE GOT SEVERAL PEOPLE HERE TO SPEAKN A PARTICULAR ITEM AND WE HAVE SOME OTHER ITEMS THAT WE HAVE TO GET SOME LENGTHY REPORTS ON, I'M GOING TO CHANGE THE SEQUENCING JUST A LITTLE BIT. I KNOW I'M THROWING YOU A CURVEBALL. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FROM ITEM 6 DOWN TO ITEM 10, WHICH IS A NON-PUBLIC HEARING ITEM, BUT WE DO HAVE PRESENTERS ON THIS. SINCE THEY DON'T NEED TO SIT HERE FOR 30 MINUTES LISTENING TO US TALK ABOUT ITEMS NOT RELATED TO THAT, I THOUGHT WITH THE TEMPERATURE IN THE ROOM, WE WOULD JUST GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT SO WE COULD GET THROUGH THAT PIECE AND THEY WOULD BE FREE LES MOVE TO ITEM 10. >> NON-PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL PERMIT LIMITED PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA NOT POSTED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPO THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER REQUESTS, LENGTH OF THE AGENDA, AND TO ENSURE MEETING EFFICIENCY, AND MAY INCLUDE A TOTAL TIME LIMIT. AGENDA ITEM NO. 10. DISCUSSION AND ACTION: CALL FOR PUBLIC HEARING - REQUEST TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AMENDING THE ZONING ORDINANCE T ADD COMMERCIAL DRONE DELIVERY HUB AS A NEW LAND USE CLASSIFICATION AND TO AMEND THE DEFINITIONS OF HELIPORT AND HELISTOP TO INCLUDE PROVISIONS FOR ADVANCED AIR MOBILITY AIRCR APPLICANT: CITY OF PLANO. THIS IS FOR LEGISLATIVE CONSIDE. >> HI. JORDAN ROCKERBY, SENIOR PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THIS IS A DISCUSSION AND ACTION REQUESTING A CALL FOR PUBLIC HEARING RELATED TO COMMERCIAL DRONE DELIVERY AS WELL AS ADVANCED AIR MOBILITY. WE HAVE BEEN TO THE COMMISSION BEFORE ON THIS ITEM. AS A QUICK PIECE OF HISTORY, THIS WAS INITIATED LAST YEAR IN JUNE WHEN STAFF RECEIVED AN INQUIRY ABOUT OPERATING A DRONE DISCOVERY BUSINESS WITHIN THE CITY. WE PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ON OCTOBER 3 OF LAST YEAR WHERE YOU GUYS HAD LOTS OF QUESTIONS FOR US. SO WE WENT BACK TO GET MORE INFORMATION. AND NOW WE'RE BACK HERE WITH MORE INFORMATION AS WELL AS SOME OF THE DRONE DELIVERY OPERATORS IN THE AREA ARE AT THE MEETING TONIGHT TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS AS WELL. SO DRONES ARE FORMALLY KNOWN AS UNMANNED AIRCRAFT SYSTEMS, UAS . THROUGHOUT THIS PRESENTATION, I'M GOING TO USE THE WORD DRONE TO REFER TO THEM BUT WITHIN ANY ORDINANCE WE SHOULD USE THE WORD UNMANNED AIRCRAFT SYSTEM AS THAT ALIGNS WITH FEDERAL AND STATE REGULATIONS. DRONES ARE USED IN A VARIETY OF COMMERCIAL AND NON-COMMERCIAL SECTORS. TODAY THE FOCUS IS ON DELIVERY DRONES. THESE ARE GENERALLY LESS THAN 55 POUNDS IN WGHT DUE TO FEDERAL REGULATIONS BUT THERE ARE SOME EXCEPTIONS. THESE DRONES VARY IN THEIR SIZE AND DESIGN, AS SHOWN BY THE FOUR EXAMPLES ON SCREEN. ALL FOUR OF THESE ARE CURRENTLY IN USE IN TEXAS, AND I THINK THERE IS GOING TO BE SOME SHOW AND TELL LATER WITH ONE OF THEM. DELIVERY DRONES TYPICALLY FULFILL A LAST-MILE LOGISTICS FUNCTION WITH AN EMPHASIS ON ON-DEMAND SERVICE DUE TO THEIR SPEED AND AUTONOMY. THEY MAY ALSO BE USED TO FERRY GOODS BETWEEN LOCATIONS SUCH AS WAREHOUSES AND DISTRIBUTION CENTERS. CURRENT OPERATORS IN TEXAS DELIVER PACKAGESPO TEN POUNDS TYPICALLY WITHIN A ONE TO FOUR-MILE RADIUS. LARGER SERVICE AREAS ARE ALREADY POSSIBLE WITH CURRENT TECHNOLOGY. DRONES ARE CONSIDERED AIRCRAFT AND AS SUCH ARE REGULATED BY THE FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION, THE FAA. OF ALL THE REGULATIONS IN PLACE, THE TWO IMPORTANT ONES TO KNOW TONIGHT ARE CODE OF FEDERAL REGULATIONS PART 107 AND PART 135. PART 107 ESTABLISHES RULES FOR THE OPERATION OF SMALL UNMANNED AIRCRAFT SYSTEMS WHICH R 55 POUNDS TAKEOFF WEIGHT. PART 135 IS THE LICENSING AND CERTIFICATION FOR ON DEMAND AND COMMUTER AIRCRAFT SYSTEMS. IT'S INTENDED FOR CARGO AND CHARTER AIRLINES BUT IT HADRONS SHOEHORNED INTO IT AS THE BEST AVAILABLE OPTION AT THE MOMENT . THERE IS A LOT OF LEGISLATION INTRODUCED IN BOTH THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND THE U.S. SENATE REGARDING DRONES. MOST OF IT IS ABOUT WORKFORCE TRAINING, NATIONAL SECURITY, AND ESTABLISHING WORKING GROUPS TO FURTHER ADVANCE THE REGULATIONS. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF PIECES OF POTENTIAL LEGISLATION, WHICH WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY OVERHAUL THE REGULATORY REGIME AS WELL AS THE CERTIFICATION PROCESS FOR COMMERCIAL DRONES. AT THE STATE LEVEL, GOVERNMENT CODE CHAPTER 423 REGULATES THE USE OF DRONES IN TEXAS. ONE OF THE SECTIONS IN THIS CHAPTER SPECIFICALLY RESTRICTS MUNICIPALITIES FROM ADOPTING AND ENFORCING ORDINANCES THAT REGULATE THE OPERATION OF DRONES. AND SECTIONS ON PRIVACY AND SURVEILLANCE WERE STRUCK DOWN LAST YEAR. THERE WERE NO SIGNIFICANT DRONE-RELATED ITEMS IN THE LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION. SO TO SUMMARIZE, FAA PREEMPTION COVERS AIRCRAFT IN FLIGHT AND THE STATE FORBIDS US FROM REGULATING THE OPERATION OF A DRONE. THEREFORE WE CANNOT REGULATE FLIGHT PATHS, FLIGHT ALTITUDES, THE NUMBER OF FLIGHTS WE ARE DAY, TRAINING OR SAFETY REQUIREMENTS AND WHAT IS BEING CARRIED BY A DRONE. BASED ON THE DISCUSSION WITH THE FAA, THE OPERATOR OF A PRIVATE AIRFIELD SUCH AS A DRONE LANDING ZONE CAN PLACE RESTRICTIONS ON THE SIZE OF AIRCRAFT AND THE HOURS OF OPERATION OF THAT AIRFIELD, SO THESE MAY BE WITHIN OUR AREA TO REGULATE. HOWEVER, IT'S UNCLEAR TO WHAT EXTENT THE STATE'S PREEMPTION MIGHT LIMIT THIS. THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT THE LOCATION OF GROUND-TYPE FACILITIES SUCH AS LANDING EAS OULD BE WITHI THE CITY'S CONTROL THROUGH THE TYPICAL LAND USE AND ZONING POWERS. WE DID LOOK AT THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES IN THE DALLAS-FORT WORTH METRO AREA. THESE ARE ALL COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE ACTIVE DRONE DELIVERIES WITHIN THEIR ORDERS. DRONES ARE ALREADY BUSY DELIVERING GOODS IN TEXAS. IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA, MOST MUNICIPALITIES ARE TREATING DRONES AS AN UNLISTED USE AS IF IT'S ANY OTHER DELIVERY ACTIVITY, SUCH AS UBER EATS OR DOOR DASH. SO FAR ONLY ALLEN AND THE COLONY HAVE DETERMINED OTHERWISE AND REQUIRE AN SUP FOR A HELIPORT LAND USE. RICHARDSON MAY ALSO MAKE THIS DETERMINATION. THEY ARE CURRENTLY REVIEWING THIS TOPIC AS WELL. STAFF WERE ABLE TO LOCATE THREE COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE ADDED DRONE HUBS TO THEIR ZONING OR DEVELOPMENT CODES. THOSE BEING ALBION, MICHIGAN, COLLEGE PARK, GEORGIA, AND COLLEGE OF EDUCATION STATION, TEXAS. THEY HAVE ALL TAKEN DIFFERENT APPROACHES TO THIS SO THERE'S NO ONE UNIFIED APPROACH THAT HAS BEEN OBSERVED. I'M GOING TO TAKE A QUICK PAUSE HERE AND MAKE SURE I HAVE EVERYONE, BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN A BIT OF AN INFO DUMP. SO STAFF ARE REQUESTING DIRECTION FROM THE COMMISSION ON ADDING COMMERCIAL DELIVERY DRONE HUBS AS A LAND USE TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE. THIS WOULD INCLUDE BOTH A DEFINITION AND ASSOCIATED STANDARDS. THE PROPOSED DEFINITION ON SCREEN IS LARGELY SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS PRESENTED IN OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR AND IS BASED ON THE EXISTING DEFINITION FOR THE HELIPORT LAND USE. THE IMAGES ON SCREEN SHOW VARIOUS ACTUAL AND CONCEPTUAL COMMERCIAL DRONE DELIVERY HUBS AND THEY ARE JUST AS VARIED AS THE DRONES THAT THEY ARE BUILT FOR. IN TERMS OF POTENTIAL LOCATIONS, COMRCIA DRONE DELIVERY HUBS ARE GENERALLY COMPLEMENTARY TO EXISTING LANDúE PROPOSING TO PERMIT THEM ACCESSORY TO VARIOUS RETAIL-TYPE USES SUCH AS RESTAURANTS AND SHOPPING CENTERS AS WELL AS TO WAREHOUSES. THEY MAY ALSO BE CONSIDERED AS A PRIMARY USE IN THE CE, LI-1 AND LI-2 DISTRICTS. THESE ARE DISTRICTS THAT ALREADY PERMIT THE WAREHOUSE AND DISTRIBUTION LAND USE. SO THE NEXT THREE SLIDES ARE SOME MAPS. WE HAVE THESE HERE SO WE CAN REFER BACK TO THEM LAT, IF NEEDED THIS MAP SHOWS ALL OF THE DISTRICTS WHERE THOSE ARE RETAIL AND WAREHOUSING USES ARE PERMITTED WITH SOME GRAY AREA SHOWING POTENTIAL SERVICE AREAS. SO THE DARKER GRAY IS A ONE-MILE BUFFER. THE LIGHTER GRAY IS A TWO-MILE BUFFER. THIS IS WHERE AN ACCESSORY USE MAY BE APPROPRIATE. NEXT MAP TELLS THE SAME STORY BUT ABOUT WAREHOUSE AND DISTRIBUTION USES. THERE'S ONLY FOUR DISTRICTS THAT ALLOW THOSE USES AND, AGAIN, THE DARKER GRAY IS ONE MILE, LIGHTER GRAY TWO MILES. IN THIS CASE THE LIGHTEST GRAY IS A FOUR-MILE RADIUS FROM THOSE DISTRICTS. AND THE LAST MAP BEING A COMBINATION OF THE TWO. EVERYTHING IN RED IS WHERE STAFF ARE SUGGESTING THAT IT BE CONSIDERED AS AN ACCESSORY USE TO RETAIL OR WAREHOUSE-TYPE USE. AND THE PURPLE BEING WHERE IT COULD BE EITHER ACCESSORY TO ONE OF THOSE USES OR AS A PRIMARY USE OF THE PROPERTY. SO IN TERMS OF POTENTIAL REGULATIONS, SOME LAND USES IN THE CITY HAVE USE-SPECIFIC RESOLUTIONS IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE. STAFF HAVE IDENTIFIED THREE CATEGORIES OF SPECIFIC USE REGULATIONS. THOSE BEING NOISE, ADJACENCY, SCREENING, AND COVERAGE . STAFF ARE SEEKING RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHICH OPTIONS TO PURSUE. ALL OF THOSE OPTIONS ARE DETAILED IN THE STAFF REPORT AND THE LETTERING ON THE SLIDES CORRESPONDS TO THE TABLE IN THE STAFF REPORTOR EASE OF REFERENCE. IN TERMS OF NOISE AND ADJACENCY, TAKEOFF AND LANDING SHOULD BE CONSIDERED TO REDUCE IMPACT ON PROPERTIES, ESPECIALLY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. THIS REQUIREMENT COULD BE IDENTICAL OR JUST SIMILAR TO OPEN STORAGE. STAFF ARE RECOMMENDING A SIMILAR APPROACH. THAT IS RESTRICTING TAKEOFF AND LANDING AREAS FROM BEING LOCATED WITHIN BUILDING SETBACKS, REQUIRED PARKING SPACES AND FIRE LANES, AND OTHER MANEUVERING AISLES OR WITHIN EASEMENTS. IN THE ORDINANCE, OPEN STORAGE IS ALSO RESTRICTED FROM THOSE AREAS. IN ADDITION IT IS NOT PERMITTED IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING IN CERTAIN DISTRICTS. STAFF FEEL THIS MAY BE TOO RESTRICTIVE FOR TAKEOFF AND LANDING AREAS AND MIGHT FORCE THEM BEHIND BUILDINGS WHERE THEY WOULD BE CLOSER TO RESIDENCES IN MANY OF OUR RETAIL DISTRICTS. ALSO RELATED TO NOISE AND ADJACENCY IS A MINIMUM SETBACK BETWEEN THE TAKEOFF AND LANDING AREA AND SENSITIVE USES. SO STAFF HAVE IDENTIFIED THREE OPTIONS FOR CONSIDERATION. THOSE BEING A 150-FOOT SETBACK, WHICH WOULD BE EQUIVALENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY STANDARDS. 300 FEET, EQUIVALENT TO OUR PRIVATE CLUB RESTRICTIONS. AND 1,000 FEET, WHICH IS THE SAME AS THE RESTRICTION FOR HELIPORT. STAFF RECOMMEND 150 FEET BECAUSE THE NOISE GENERATED BY DRONES IS MORE OR LESS SIMILAR TO THOSE OTHER NOISE-GENERATING USES IN THE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY STANDARDS SUCH AS CAR WASHES. FOR SCREENING, THE COMMISSION SHOULD CONSIDER WHETHER THIS IS APPROPRIATE FOR THIS USE. AT GRADE THE TAKEOFF AND LANDING AREA COULD BE SCREENED, SIMILAR TO OPEN STORAGE, WHICH REQUIRES A MASONRY SCREENING WALL AROUND THE ENTIRE AREA. HOWEVER, THIS WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT ON THE PART OF THE OPERATOR AND WOULD ALSO POSE A NAVIGATIONAL HAZARD FOR THEIR AIRCRAFT. STAFF RECOMMEND REQUIRING SCREENING ONLY IF STRUCTURES AND EQUIPMENT THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE CONSIDERED OPEN STORAGE ARE PROPOSED. SO THIS WOULD INCLUDE THINGS SUCH AS PORTABLE GENERATORS OR SHIPPING CTAINERS. WHEN A TAKEOFF AND LANDING AREA IS LOCATED ON TOP OF A BUILDING, STAFF ARE RECOMMENDING REQUIRING A PARAPET WALL SIMILAR TO THE EXISTING REQUIREMENTS FOR COMMERCIAL ANTENNAS AND OTHER ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT. FINALLY, THE COMMISSION MAY CHOOSE TO PLACE RESTRICTIONS ON THE SIZE OF THE TAKEOFF AND LANDING AREA, WHICH WOULD INDIRECTLY CONTROL THE VOLUME OF FLIGHTS. ONE OPTION IS TO PLACE A LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF LANDING PADS WITHIN THE TAKEOFF AND LANDING AREA. HOWEVER, THIS MAY BE VERY DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE AND STAFF DON'T RECOMMEND PURSUING THIS. A MORE ENFORCEABLE RESTRICTION WOULD BE BASED ON LOT COVERAGE, AGAIN, SIMILAR TO EXISTING REQUIREMENTS FOR OPEN STORAGE IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE. STAFF ARE RECOMMENDING A 5% OF SITE COVERAGE, WHICH IS THE SAME AS OPEN STORAGE. HOWEVER, WE ALSO RECOMMEND WAIVING THIS CONDITION FOR TAKEOFF AND LANDING AREAS THAT ARE LOCATED ON THE ROOF OF THE PRIMARY BUILDING, IN ORDER TO INCENTIVIZE THIS DESIGN. AND BECAUSE THE FAA MAKES A DISTINCTION FOR SMALL DRONES UNDER 55 POUNDS, IT ISORTH CONSIDERING WHETHER A LESS RESTRICTIVE LAND USE MAY BE APPROPRIATE FOR THESE SMALL AND LESS NOISY AIRCRAFT. THIS WOULD REQUIRE TWO LAND USE DEFINITIONS WITH A SMALL UNMANNED AIRCRAFT HUB, PERHAPS REQUIRING A LOWER SETBACK OR BE PERMITTED WITHOUT AN SUP. SO WHEN DISCUSSING THE LAND USE AND ASSOCIATED REGULATIONS, THERE ARE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS TO KEEP IN MIND. THERE ARE A HOST OF COMMERCIAL OPERATORS THAT ARE NOT ENGAGED IN PACKAGE DELIVERY SUCH AS COMMERCIAL PHOTOGRAPHY, RVEYING INSPECTIONS AND AGRICULTURE. THERE ARE ALSO DELIVERIES NOT COMMERCIAL IN NATURE SUCH AS THE DELIVERY OF AEDs TO FIRST RESPONDERS OR THE MOVEMENT OF SAMPLES TO A TESTING FACILITY OR EVEN THE DELIVERY OF BOOKS FROM A LOCAL LIBRARY. ANY REGULATIONS SHOULD BE CAREFULLY TARGETED TO THE LAND USE THAT THE COMMISSION WISHES TO REGULATE. FINALLY, THERE IS THE RELATED TOPIC OF AIR TAXIS, WHICH ARE MOBILITY.KNOWN ASDVANCED AIR A QUICK CHECK-IN HERE. IT HAS BEEN A BIT OF AN INFO DUMP. I STILL HAVE EVERYONE? SO SIMPLY PUT, ADVANCED AIR MOBILITY, ABBREVIATED AS AAM IS A TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM USING ELECTRIC OR LOW-CARBON AIRCRAFT TO QUICKLY TRANSPORT PEOPLE OR CARGO OVER RELATIVELY SHORT DISTANCES AT LOWER ALTITUDES COMPARED TO CONVENTIONAL AIRCRAFT. THE CURRENT DEFINITION FROM FEDERAL REGULATION AS WELL AS THE DEFINITION ADOPTED BY TEXAS ARE BOTH ON SCREEN FOR REFERENCE. THERE ARE CURRENTLY NO AAM OPERATIONS IN THE UNITED STATES. THIS IS EXPECTED TO CHANGE BY 2025. IT'S ANTICIPATED THAT THE FIRST PUBLICLY-AVAILABLE AAM SERVICE WILL DEBUT AT THE PARIS OLYMPICS NEXT YEAR WITH SERVICE IN THE UNITED STATES FOLLOWING IN 2025 IN ORLANDO AND CHICAGO, POSSIBLY LOS ANGELES AND NEW YORK CITY AS WELL. INITIALLY USE EXISTIN HELIPORT INFRASTRUCTURE WHILE OVER TIME A NEW PURPOSE-BUILT FACILITY IS REFERRED TO AS VERTIPORTS WILL BE BUILT. THERE IS ONE UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN ORLANDO AND DALLAS IS EXPECTED TO INCLUDE A VERTI PORT. AAM OPERATIONS, ESPECIALLY IN THE NEAR FUTURE ARE NOT GOING TO BE AUTOMATED AND THEY'RE NOT DOOR TO DOOR. SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS NOT SUMMONING A DRONE TAXI TO A RESTAURANT TO TAKE YOU HOME ON A FRIY NIGHT. YOU WOULD BE GOING FROM A HELIPORT OR A VERTIPORT. THE COMPANIES THAT ARE PROPOSING THIS ARE CURRENTLY INTEGRATING WITH OTHER COMPANIES. FOR INSTANCE, ONE CHAIN INVOLVES UBER, AN AAM OPERATOR, AND DELTA AIRLINES TO MOVE YOU FROM YOUR HOUSE TO THE HELIPORT TO THE AIRPORT. AS WITH DRONES, THE FAA IS THE AUTHORITY ON AIRCRAFT. THE STE IS ALSO INVOLD AS AIRCRAFT ARE INCLUDED IN THE TRANSPORTATION CODE. IT IS MOSTLY LIMITED TO THE LOCATION OF AIRPORTS AND HELIPORT THOUGH. THERE IS A LOT OF MOVEMENT AT BOTH LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT TO INTRODUCE REGULATIONS, AGAIN INCLUDING WORKING GROUPS. THESE VERSUS TASKED WITH DETERMINING THE ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF EACH LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT, INCLUDING MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENTS. SO TEXAS ADOPTED A BILL IN THE LAST SESSION THAT WILL SEE A WORKING GROUP ESTABLISHED IN SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR. AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, THEY ADOPTED A BILL LAST YEAR AND THAT WORKING GROUP WAS STRUCK IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR. SO THEY'VE STARTED THEIR WORK TO FIGURE OUT WHO HAS SAY IN WHAT AREAS. SO IN THIS INTERIM PERIOD, STAFF ARE SUGGESTING JUST A MINOR AMENDMENT TO OUR DEFINITION OF HELIPORT AND HELISTOP. BOTH OF THESE REFER EXPLICITLY TO HELICOPTERS, WHICH INCLUDES SOME AAM AIRCRAFT BUT NOT ALL. AMENDING THIS DEFINITION WOULD IMPACT NINE SITES IN THE CITY WHICH EITHER HAVE A PERMISSION BY SUP OR PD TO OPERATE A HELISTOP OR ARE LOCATED WITHIN THE CE DISTRICT WHERE HELISTOP IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT. NOT ALL OF THESE LOCATIONS ON SCREEN ARE ACTIVE. I THINK THERE'S TWO OF THEM ON HERE THAT ARE DEFUNCT. SO AS A POTENTIAL AMENDED DEFINITION, STAFF ARE SUGGESTING TO JUST STRIKE THE WORD "HELICOPTER" AND REPLACE IT WITH ROTARY WING AND TILT ROTOR PASSENGER AIRCRAFT. THIS WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH OUR PEER MUNICIPALITIES IN DFW, WHICH INCLUDES DALLAS, ALLEN, AND RICHARDSON . THAT BRINGS US TO THE END OF THE PRESENTATION AND NOW IT'S JUST A RECAP OF THE DIRECTION THAT STAFF ARE SEEKING. SO STAFF ARE ASKING IF COMMERCIAL DRONE DELIVERY HUBS SHOULD BE LISTED AS A USE IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE. AND, I SO, SHOULD A SEPARATE LAND USE WITH LESS RESTRICTIVE STANDARDS BE INTRODUCED? B, SHOULD THE USES BE PERMITTED WHEN ACCESSORY TO& SPECIFIC RETAIL, SERVICE, AND WAREHOUSE USES? C, SHOULD THE USES BE PERMITTED AS A PRIMARY USE IN THE CE, LI-1 AND 2 DISTRICTS AND SHOULD AN SUP BE REQUIRED OR NOT? D, IS THE RECOMMENDED 150-FOOT SETBACK FROM SENSITIVE LAND USE IS APPROPRIATE OR IS A MORE RESTRICTIVE SETBACK SIRED? E, IS THE RECOMMENDED STANDARD LIMITING THE TOTAL SIZE OF AN AT-GRADE TAKEOFF AND LANDING AREA TO 5% OF THE SITE AREA ASúE OR IS AN ALTERNATIVE DESIRED? AND, F, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE STAFF TO CONSIDER? AND THEN THE LAST TWO, SHOULD THE HELIPORT AND HELISTOP LAND USE DEFINITIONS BE AMENDED TO INCLUDE PROVISIONS FOR ADVANCED AIR MOBILITY? 3, ARE THERE ANY OTHER RELATED ISSUES ON THIS TOPIC THAT STAFF SHOULD RESEARCH FURTHER? SO THE STAFFECOMMENDATION IS THAT YOU PROVIDE US SOME DIRECTION ON THESE TOPICS AND TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS PURPOSE. SO THAT CONCLUDES THE STAFF PRESENTATIONS. I'M NOT SURE IF YOU WANT TO GO TO STAFF QUESTIONS OR IF YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM THE OPERATORS FIRST. >> Chair Downs: I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HEAR FROM THE OPERATORS. BECAUSE I THINK SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS THAT STAFF MIGHT GET WOULD SIMPLE HAVE TO SAY WAIT UNTIL THE OPERATOR. WE'LL HAVE TO CIRCLE BACK WITH THIS LIST OF QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE AGAIN. LET'S GO AHEAD AND WE'LL HAVE YOU BACK, OBVIOUSLY, BUT LET'S MOVE TO THE OPERATOR PRESENTATIONS AND THEN WE WILL CIRCLE BACK TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF. >> FIRST WE HAVE KENDELL PROSACK AND TOM HILLYER. AND IF WE COULD HAVE ERIC BREMMER AND WADE HARDEN COME DOWN AND TAKE A SEAT. >> WE'RE PART OF THE SHOW AND TELL. >> HI. MY NAME IS KENDELL PROSACK. I LEAD COMMUNITY AFFAIRS AT WING AND THIS IS TOM HILLYER. WE ARE REPRESENTING WING . A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON WHO WE ARE. WE ARE A DRONE DELIVERY COMPANY THAT HAS BEEN OPERATIONAL SINCE 2018 ON A GLOBAL SCALE. AND THESE ARE SOME IMAGES OF WHERE WE HAVE CURRENT OPERATIONS. IN FINLAND, AUSTRALIA, CHRISTIANSBURG VIRGINIA THE DFW METRO, FRISCO AND LITTLE ELM, AS WELL AS LUSK, IRELAND, RIGHT OUTSIDE OF DUBLIN METRO. I REALLY LIKE TO SHOW THIS SLIDE TO SHOW THAT NOT ONLY DO WE OPERATE IN INCREDIBLY DIFFERENT AREAS BUT ALSO THE GEOGRAPHY IS VERY DIFFERENT AS WELL. SO WE CONTINUE TO OPERATE IN VERY VASTLY DIFFERENT MARKETS AND THEN IN FRISCO AND LITTLE ELM, WE ACTUALLY LAUNCHED LAST YEAR, APRIL OF 2022. SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR AIRCRAFT, AS TOM IS BEING MY VANNA WHITE. AS YOU CAN TELL IT'S INCREDIBLY LIGHT WEIGHT. IT IS MADE OF STYROFOAM SO IT'S ABOUT 11 POUNDS. IT CAN CARRY ABOUT THREE POUNDS, SO THINK OF A ROTISSERIE CHICKEN. WE AUALLY DELIVERUITE FEW IN AUSTRALIA AND THEY FIT WELL IN THE PACKAGE. WE HAVE DELIVERED OVER 300,000 FLIGHTS ON A GLOBAL SCALE. WE OPERATE ABOUT 150 FEET AND HAVE A DELIVERY RADIUS OF ABOUT SIX MILES . THOSE ARE A FEW FACTS ON THE DRONE ITSELF. AND THEN WINGS' APPROACH TO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT WE DO WHEN WE ARE ENTERING IN A NEW MARKET. WE CONTINUE TO HAVE THINGS SUCH AS LIVE DEMONSTRATIONS PRIOR TO LAUNCHING. WE ARE OUT AT LOCAL BOOTHS FOR FESTIVALS OR FARMERS MARKETS, AND THEN WE REALLY DO ENGAGE WITH ALL OF THE STAKEHOLDERS WITHIN THE COMMUNITIES FROM YOURSELVES ALL THE WAY TO SCHOOLS TEACHERS LAW ENFORCEMENT, ET CETERA BECAUSE WE RECOGNIZE THAT COMMUNITIES ARE INCREDIBLY SACRED SPACE AND WE'RE COMING IN TO OFFER A SERVICE, SO WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO BE A RESOURCE AND TO EDUCATE PEOPLE ON WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. WE KNOW THAT MOST OF THE TIME WHEN PEOPLE THINK OF DRONES IT'S NOT THE SIZE OF THIS OR IT'S SMALLER OR MUCH LARGER. SO WE BRING OUR DRONE WITH US EVERYWHERE. FOR EXAMPLE, WE WERE JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO AT LITTLE ELM'S BREW AND Q. WE WERE THERE LAST APRIL AND WE'RE STILL OUT DOING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. JUST THIS 87% IS A NOTE, WE DID A STUDY WITH VIRGINIA TECH. ONE YEAR AFTER OPERATIONS IN CHRISTIANSBURG TO UNDERSTAND DOES THE COMMUNITY LIKE DRONE DELIVERY, DO THEY NOT. WE HAD AN 87% APPROVAL OF U. SERVICE AREA.N OUR FIRST SO ABOUT OUR LIGHTWEIGHT NEST SETUP. I SAW THAT JORDAN HAD SOME OF OUR PHOTOS ON THE LAST DECK, SO THAT'S REALLY NICE TO SEE. YOU'LL GET TO SEE A FEW OF THEM HERE. WE HAVE DIFFERENT NESTS -- WE USE THE WORD NESTS RATHER THAN RONE HUB SO IF I SAY "NEST" I'M TALKING ABOUT A DRONE HUB FACILITY AS WELL. BUT THESE ARE VERY DIFFERENT OPTIONS, AS YOU CAN SEE. THEY'RE SET UP INCREDIBLY DIFFERENTLY. SO AT THE TOP LEFT, THIS IS OUR FACILITY IN CHRISTIANSBERG VIRGINIA. THE BOTTOM LEFT IS AN IMAGE IN AUSTRALIA. IT'S ON A ROOFTOP MALL. THE MIDDLE IMAGE IS FRISCO STATION, RIGHT OUTSIDE THE COWBOYS PRACTICE FACILITY IN FRISCO, AND THEN THE LAST IMAGE ON THE RIGHT IS LITTLE ELM AND THAT IS AT A PARTNER LOCATION WHICH IS THE WALGREENS ON 423 AND ELDORADO. AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS, THEY ARE VASTLY DIFFERENT AND OUR NESTS ARE SET UP BASED ON COMMUNITY NEED, PARTNER NEED, AND OUR EVOLVING TECHNOLOGY. SO WITH THIS, WHILE WE UNDERSTAND THAT ZONING OF NESTS WILL DEPEND ONOCION, WINGS' SETUP IS INCREDIBLY LIGHTWEIGHT. WE NEED TRULY JUST A POWER SOURCE, A FENCE, ET CETERA. AND THE SIZE DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON HOW WE SET UP OUR NESTS. AND WE THINK THAT THE NEST LOCATIONS SHOULD BE APPROVED MOVING FORWARD. HAVING THE FLEXIBILITY TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY IS OUR PRIORITY AND SETTING A LIMITATION ON THAT NEST SIZE COULD INT IMPACT HOW WE DO SERVE THE COMMUNITY. OVERALL, IT'S REALLY NOT THAT MUCH THAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SET UP OUR OPERATIONS, SPECIFICALLY IT'S POWER, S A FENE PERMIT, AND THEN LIKELY SOMETIMES A SMALL CONTAINER, WHAT YOU SEE ON THAT TOP IMAGE. EVEN MOST OF THE TIME WE DON'T NEED THAT SHIPPING CONTAINER. WE ARE ABLE TO USE OUR PARTNER SITES AS WELL. SO MOVING ON TO RECOMMENDATIONS. WE FOUND THAT EXISTING ORDINANCE HAVE BEEN VERY FLEXIBLE AND THEY HAVE ALLOWED US TO USE OUR FACILITIES TO BE BUILT HOW THEY ARE. WE'LL OF COURSE WORK WITH YOU ON THIS PROCESS BUT WE HAVE FOUND THAT WITH OUR OPERATIS THERE HAVEEEN WORKAROUNDS WITH CURRENT STANDINGS OF ZONING AND PLANNING. THE TECHNOLOGY IS EVER EVOLVING AND THAT CAN CREATE MORE HARM THAN GOOD DOWN THE LINE FOR ORDINANCES THAT COULD BE ARBITRARY, SETTING POTENTIAL LIMITS ON WHAT THE DRONE HUB WILL BE. IT MIGHT STIFLE INNOVATION FOR COMPANIES. AND THEN IN TURN HAVE AN IMPACT ON HOW THE CUSTOMERS AND PARTNERS WOULD BE ABLE TO UTILIZE DRONE DELIVERY. WE OF COURSE ASK THAT THERE'S NO DUPLICATIVE REGULATION BECAUSE THE FAA DOES REGULATE US ALREADY, AS YOU HEARD IN JORD. AND THEN OF COURSE NOT TO BE OVERLY PRESCRIPTIVE WITH DRONE HUBS AND HOW THEY ARE SET UP. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR INVITING US AND ALLOWING US TO SPEAK TODAY. WE HAVE THE DRONE. I HAVE TOM HERE. HE DOES HELP SET UP THE SITE SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. DO WE HAVE -- HOW MANY SPEAKERS DO WE HAVE, ACTUALLY? >> WE HAVE TWO MORE AND WE HAVE JUST UNDER NINE MINUTES LEFT OF PRESENTATIO TIME. >> Chair Downs: WE'RE GOING TO BE A LITTLE FLEXIBLE, I THINK, BECAUSE WE MAY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. YOU GUYS WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS OF THEM NOW OR WOULD YOU RATHER HEAR FROM THE OTHER OPERATORS? LET'S HEAR FROM THEM ALL FIRST? I'M GOOD WITH THAT. DON'T STRAY TOO FAR. WE'LL CALL YOU BACK. LET'S MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT PRESENTER. >> NEXT IS ERIC BREMMER. >> GOOD EVENING. I AM HERE TO TAKE QUESTIONS, FIELD QUESTIONS. I DIDN'T BRING MY FANCY PRESENTATION OR MY AIRCRAFT WITH MEONIGHT. BUT MORE THAN HAPPY TO INTERJECT WITH SOME OF THE SUBTLE BUT CRUCIAL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN ANY OF THE THREE OPERATORS THAT ARE PRESENT THIS EVENING. MOSTLY GOING TO BE AROUND WEIGHTS, SIZE OF FACILITIES, THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES. WEIGHTS WE CAN CARRY AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AIRCRAFT TYPE. THE MAJORITY OF WHAT KENDELL AND TOM MENTIONED HOLDS TRUE FOR THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY ENSURING WE GET THE FLEXIBILITY WE NEED TO SERVE THE COMMUNITIES WE'RE TRYING TO SERVE. I'LL BE SUPER BRIEF. >> Chair Downs: THAT IS VERY BRIEF. EXCELLENT. LET'S GO TO THE NEXT. >> NEXT IS WADE HARDEN. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR, COMMISSION. WADE HARDEN WITH FLIGHT TRACKS. OUR COMPANY WAS FOUNDED IN 2014. WE FLY INTERNATIONALLY. WE HAVE OPERATIONS IN DURHAM, NORTH CAROLINA, AS WELL AS DFW. WE'RE THE UBER EATS OF THE SKY. WE PRIMARILY DELIVER FOOD IS A VAST MAJORITY OF OUR DELIVERIES. A COUPLE OF THINGS -- I'LL MAKE IT QUICK. I DON'T HAVE A PRESENTATION AS WELL. BUT A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANTED TO TOUCH UPON. TWO THINGS THAT WE LOOK AT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF WHEN WE LOOK TO LOCATE A SITE. WE LOOK TYPICALLY TO CO-LOCATE WITH RETAIL. THAT'S WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF CO-LOCATION. THAT MAKES SENSE FOR US. WE ALSO LOOK AT STAND ALONE RETAIL PARCELS AND SO I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO BE ABLE TO LOCATE AS A STANDALONE LOCATION, WHETHER THAT'S POTENTIALLY THROUGH AN SUP OR CUP, IF THERE'S A CONCERN WITH A USE, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE OF INTEREST TO US BECAUSE WE DO HAVE STANDALONE LOCATIONS THAT WE OPERATE. OUTSIDE OF THAT, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE WAY WE OPERATE, A LOT OF SIMILARITIES BETWEEN THE OTHER COMPANIES THAT ARE HERE THIS EVENING. WE OPERATE TYPICALLY A LITTLE BIT LARGER SITE PROBABLY THAN THE OTHERS. WE TYPICALLY LOOK FOR A 70x70 SITE. WE DO OPERATE AN EASEMENT SOMETIMES. WE LOOK AT SOME ODD CONFIGURATIONS THAT AREN'T DEVELOPABLE AND WE WORK WITH JURISDICTIONS. THAT'S SOMETHING WE CONSIDER AS WELL. OUTSIDE OF THAT, THE 150 SETBACK, 5% FOR AN ACCESSORY USE, THOSE TYPES O THINGS ARE WELL WITHIN REASON FOR US. AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF WE HAVE A CLEAR PATH TO DEVELOPMENT UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE CITY'S REGULATIONS ARE AND WHAT THEY WANT, A LOT OF TIMES WE CAN WORK WITHIN THOSE CONFINES AND MAKE IT HAPPEN ON OUR SIDE OF THINGS. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE COMMISSION MIGHT HAVE. >> THAT IS THE LAST OF OUR SPEAKERS. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. SO KENDELL, RIGHT? I WOULD SUGGEST YOU COME DOWN. I'M NOT SURE WHO IS GOING TO ASK A QUESTION AND WHO THEY ARE GOING TO ASK IT OF. THERE'S POSSIBLE A QUESTION ONE PERSON WILL ASK AND WE'LL SAY HOW IS YOURS DIFFERENT? I DON'T MEAN FOR THIS TO TURN INTO AN HOUR. IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS RELATED TO HOW THEY ARE GOING TO FLY WITHIN OUR SPACE VERSUS WHAT ELSE DO THEY CARRY BESIDES CHICKEN. LET'S START WITH MR. BROUNOFF. >> Brounoff: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. WHERE'S KENDELL? THERE YOU ARE. >> Chair Downs: I GUESS I CAN CALL YOU MS. PROSACK? >> THAT'S FINE. >> Brounoff: HOW DO YOU WISH TO BE ADDRESSED? >> OH, KENDELL'S FINE. >> Brounoff: GOOD. WHAT IS THE POWER SOURCE FOR THESE AIRCRAFT? >> YEP. GREAT QUESTION. ON THE BOTTOM OF OUR DRONE, THERE ARE ACTUALLY A FEW PINS RIGHT HERE. IF I CAN GO BACK TO MY SLIDE -- AM I GOING TO WRONG WAY? FORWARD. SORRY. IF I GO BACK TO MY SLIDES, YOU WILL SEE OUR NEST SETUP WITH THE PADS. AND IN BETWEEN EVERY PAD THERE'S A CRGIN PAD. I'M SORRY, A GEOFIDUCIAL. THE DRONE ALWAYS SITS IN THAT MIDDLE PAD AND IT IS CHARGING CONSTANTLY. IT'S BATTERY, IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT. IT HAS TWO BATTERIES ON OUR VEHICLE. ONE IS ALWAYS THERE FOR BACK UP. >> Brounoff: WHAT PREVENTS THE POWER FROM RUNNING OUT WHILE IT IS IN FLIGHT AND FALLING DOWN ON PEOPLE AND PROPERTY? >> YES. AS YOU CAN TELL WITH OUR AIRCRAFT, IT HAS SOANY REDUNDANCIES BUILT INTO THIS. WE HAVE MULTIPLE PROPELLERS, MULTIPLE BATTERIES, MULTIPLE EVERYTHING. AND THAT IS BECAUSE OUR ENGINEERS HAVE TAKEN THIS SO SERIOUSLY, THAT SAFETY TRULY IS OUR FIRST PRIORITY. REALLY, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS DRONE, IF A PROPELLER GOES OFF IN THE FIRST QUADRANT OR SECOND ONE, UNTIL IT GOES OFF IN TWO QUADRANTS, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY IT'S GOING TO HAVE A LAND NOW AND COMMUNICATE WITH OUR PILOTS TO SAY WE CANNOT FLY ANYMORE. OUR ENGINEERS HAVE TAKEN ALL THOSE PRECAUTIONS TO TRULY BUILT IN EVERY TYPE OF BACK UP THAT YOU CAN THINK ABOUT. >> Brounoff: LET'S CONSIDER THAT ROTISSERIE CHICKEN. IF A CUSTOMER CALLS A RESTAURANT AND ORDERS THE CHICKEN, WHAT HAPPENS THEN? DOES THE RESTAURANT CALL YOU AND YOU HAVE TO FLY INTO THE RESTAURANT, PICK UP THE CHICKEN, AND FLY OUT TO THE CUSTOMER AND DELIVER? >> GREAT QUESTION. WE ARE AN APP-BASED -- WE'RE APP-BASED SO IT'S WING DRONE DELIVERY, VERY SIMILAR TO I THINK WADE SAID UBER EATS OR METHING OF THAT NATURE. VERY SIMILAR TO US. WE'RE APP SO WALGREENS IS ONE OF OUR PARTNERS HERE. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU WOULD GO ON TO OUR APP AND YOU WOULD SAY I NEED THERAFLU, DEODORANT, AND A PACKAGE OF SKITTLES. THE WALGREENS EMPLOYEE WILL GO THROUGH THE STORE, PACK THE BOX UP, COME OUT TO THAT NEST FACILITY THAT I SHOWED, AND THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ACTUALLY HOOK UP THE PACKAGE TO THE DRONE ITSELF. >> Brounoff: THE STORE HAS TO TRAVEL TO THE HUB WITH THE PACKAGE? >> FOR THIS ONE, IT'S AN APP FACILITY. THIS WALGREENS, THAT WALGREENS IS 50 FEET AWAY. SO WE SET THESE UP WITH PARTNERS IN MIND. AND THEN, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH FRISCO STATION, WE HAVE TWO SHIPPING CONTAINERS ON THAT LOCATION WHERE ONE IS A MERCHANT. SO BLUE BELL ICE CREAM IS THERE, FOR EXAMPLE, AND BLUE BELL WILL COME AND DROP OFF THE ICE CREAM AND WE HOLD THAT ON SITE. THERE ARE TWO VERY DIFFERENT MODELS. >> Brounoff: WHAT IF A STORE THAT DOES NOT HAVE A PAD ON SITE WANT TOSE YOUR DELIVERY SERVICE? DO YOU HAVE TO MAKE TWO FLIGHTS? ONE FOR PICK UP AND ANOTHER FOR DELIVERY? >> WE DO NOT HAVE THAT CAPABILITY TODAY. >> Brounoff: SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SITE AT THE MERCHANT'S LOCATION? >> YES. >> Brounoff: DO YOU KNOW IN DECIBELS HOW MUCH NOISE DOES THAT MACHINE MAKE? >> I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DECIBELS. I CAN FIND OUT AND GET BACK TO YOU. IT'S LESS THAN A LEAF BLOWER THAT YOUR NEIGHBOR IS BLOWING. >> Brounoff: FINALLY, I NOTICED THE TWO REAR STABILIZERS ARE NOT SYMMETRICAL. WHAT ARE THOSE? >> ARE YOU REFENCI THIS? >> THIS IS CALLED THE AIR DATA POD. THIS IS A PETO TUBE. IT HELPS THE AIRCRAFT KNOW THE SPEED IT'S GOING. EVERY GENERAL AVIATION AIRCRAFT TO A COMMERCIAL AIRLINER HAS ONE. >> Brounoff: IT'S NOT NECESSARY TO HAVE THEM ON BOTH SIDES THEN? >> NO. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER TONG. >> Tong: I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING YOUR OPERATION HOURS. WHAT'S YOUR TYPICAL OPERATING HOURS? >> RIGHT NOW WE OPERATE SUNRISE TUNSET. WE ONLY OPERATE IN DAYLIGHT HOURS. THAT FLUCTUATES BASED ON DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME. >> Tong: THE OTHER QUESTION IS REGARDING YOUR AIRCRAFT. IS THAT THE ONLY MODEL THAT YOU'RE OPERATING RIGHT NOW? MAYBE A QUESTION TO THE OTHER CARRIERS OR OPERATORS TOO. DO YOU HAVE DIFFERENT SIZES? BECAUSE I REALIZE THAT IN THE PRESENTATION OUR STAFF GAVE, IT HAS THE SIZE AS A WEIGHT, LIKE THE TOTAL WEIGHT TO CLASSIFY IT AS A SMALL UNMANNED AIRCRAFT. BUT IT DIDN'T SPECIFY THE DIMENSIONS. IS YOURS KIND OF A TYPICAL DIMENSION THAT YOU RUN? >> FOR WING, THIS IS THE AIRCRAFT THAT WE FLY IN THE UNITED STATES. WE DO HAVE ANOTHER MODEL THAT IS JUST A LITTLE LARGER ON THESE WINGS AND IT HAS TWO PROPELLERS RATHER THAN THE ONE. SO THESE ARE LONGER. THIS IS THE MODEL WE FLY IN THE UNITED STATES, THOUGH. >> Tong: AND THE SIZE OF THE AIRCRAFT WILL KIND OF DICTATE THE PAD YOU NEED, RIGHT? WHAT'S YOUR DIMENSION? >> NO, IT'S THE SAME. THIS ACRAFT IS THE SAME CHARGING PAD AS THE OTHER AIRCRAFT I JUST MENTIONED AS WELL. >> Tong: WHAT IS THE DIMENSION OF EACH PAD FOR THE LANDING? >> THEY'RE ROUGHLY 4 FEET BY 4 FEET. >> Tong: OH, LIKE A PALLET. >> DO YOU WANT TO ANSWER ABOUT YOUR AIRCRAFT? >> SURE. SO IN SIMILAR REGARD, THE AIRCRAFT THAT WE FLY -- JORDAN HAD PICTURES EARLIER. OFRS AN OPPORTUNITY TODS AND DELIVER ANY PARCEL UP TO TEN POUNDS FROM WALMART SUPERCENTERS. IT SITS ABOUT 40x40 INCHES IN DEPTH AND STANDS ABOUT 37 INCHES OFF THE GR GROUND . >> Tong: AND YOUR LANDING PADS? >> THE LANDING PAD IS ACTUALLY AN 18x18 SQUARE WITH A SIMILAR PICTURE TO WHAT YOU'VE SEEN FROM KENDELL'S PRESENTATION. THE AIRCRAFT LANDS IN A 40-INCH BY 40-INCH SQUARE. >> Tong: THE WHOLE PARKING SPOT, HOW BIG WOULD THAT REQUIRE? >> WE COULD LAND THREE AIRCRAFT IN ONE PARKING SPOT. >> Tong: OH. OKAY. ON TOP OF EACH OTHER? >> NO. THEY WOULD BE IN PARALLEL. >> Tong: OKAY. I'M TRYING TO IMAGINE THAT, ENVISION THAT. >> SURE. >> Tong: THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: BEFORE YOU STEP AWAY, I THINK IT'S WORTH GETTING ALL THREE OF YOU TO ANSWER THE SAME QUESTION. NONE OF YOU ARE OFFERING THIS APP. YOU GO, HEY, I WANT A SOMETHING FROM THIS STORE TO COME TO MY HOUSE. IT HAS TO BE A PARTNER FACILITY THAT YOU'RE LOCATED WITH. NONE OF YOU ARE FLYING TO SE RANDOM STORE TO PICK SOMETHING UP AND TAKING IT TO A RESIDENCE. >> I AM NOT CURRENTLY. >> Chair Downs: JUST SO THAT WE ALL GET THAT. IN EVERY CASE THEY'RE GOING TO BE WORKING WITH A PARTNER FACILITY EXCEPT FOR, AS HE MENTIONED, YOU MAY HAVE A STANDALONE. I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN UNDERSTANDING HOW DOES THAT STANDALONE WORK IF IT'S NOT ASSOCIATED WITH A PARTNER OR ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A STANDALONE SITE THAT COULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH A PARTNER? >> SURE. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. WE STILL WORK WITH PARTNERS. FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE A LOCATION, HOLLY SPRINGS, NORTH CAROLINA. THAT LOCATION IS O A PARCEL NEXT TO A SHOPPING CENTER. SO LITERALLY WE'RE NEXT DOOR. AGAIN, IT'S NOT ON THE SAME LOT. FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED CO-LOCATING, DEPENDING ON HOW THE ORDINANCE READS. WE DO NEED TO BE CLOSE TO THE RETAIL FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE DELIVERIES. VERY SIMILAR TO THE OTHER. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. JUST SO IT'S CLEAR TO EVERYBODY. WE'RE NOT ISOLATED FLYING BACK AND FORTH IN A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT PLACES. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> Tong: THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER RATLIFF. >> Ratliff: FIRST OF ALL, I MADE A NOTE THAT IF I NEED EMERGENCY BLUE BELL, I NEED TO ORDER IT BEFORE SUNDOWN. [ LAUGHTER ] DULY NOTED. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR ALL THREE OF Y'ALL. Y'ALL HAVE SEEN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. I GUESS ARE THERE ANY OF THEM -- I GUESS I NEED TO POSE THE QUESTION TO EACH ONE OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY. ARE THERE ANY OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE STAFF THAT YOU HAVE AN OBJECTION TO? START WITH YOU. >> NO, SIR. >> Ratliff: NO? >> I DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS OTHER THAN I WOULD LIKE THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER THE STANDALONE SITE RATHER THAN LOCATION. >> AGREE. AND THEN THE ONLY THING I THINK JORDAN MENTIONED THE LIMITED NUMBER OF PADS AND FLIGHTS. HE SAID THAT COULD BE A POTENTIAL RECOMMENDATION. JUST CONSIDERING NOT TO HAVE A LIMITATION ON FLIGHTS OR PATHS FOR SITES. >> Ratliff: OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAD. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER BRONSKY. JUST -- I'M SORRY TO MAKE YOU DO THIS BUT PEOPLE AT HOME THAT MIGHT BE WATCHING THIS CAN'T HEAR YOU IF YOU DON'T -- SO IF THEY ASK A QUESTION, PLEASE COME FORWARD. >> Bronsky: I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR JORDAN FIRST. ON -- CAN YOU GO BACK TO PAGE -- I THINK 73 OF YOUR PRESENTATION? >> I CAN JUST BARELY SEE THESE. >> Bronsky: SORRY. THERE YOU GO. I WANT TO START OFF BY SAYING I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS OPPORTUNITY. I REALLY THINK I WOULD LOVE TO SEE -- I GUESS I'LL SAY I WISH I WERE HERE IN PLANO. WE'RE ON THE CUTTING-EDGE OF THE AAMs AS WELL. BUT I THINK THIS IS A GREAT THING THAT WE CAN START LOOKING AT AND UNDERSTANDING WITHIN THE CITY FOR ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS. MY FIRST QUESTION IS WHAT ARE WE DOING AS A CITY RELATED TO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TO FINDING OUT WHAT OUR CITIZENS ARE THINKING ABOUT THIS, BEYOND HEARING FROM US? HAVE WE DONE ANYTHING? >> SO IN PREPARATION FOR THIS MEETING, WE HAVE NOT. IF THERE'S ANY COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT DIRECTED AS PART OF THE -- ONCE WE HAVE A DIRECTION TO PREPARE A ORDINANCE, THEN IF THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT OUTSIDE OF THE TYPICAL PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS, THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE. >> Bronsky: OKAY. MY SECOND QUESTION IS ON THIS SLIDE, IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING AND IF WE DON'T ADOPT SOMETHING THAT IS INVITING, IS IT CONCEIVABLE THAT DRONE PROVIDERS CAN RING THE CITY AND THEN DELIVER WITHIN TO THE CITY WITHOUT US HAVING ANY CONTROL OVER THAT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. SO AS THIS SLIDE NOTES, WE CANNOT REGULATE FLIGHT PATHS. WE ALSO CANNOT CLOSE OUR AIR SPACE. SO FOR INSTANCE WITH WING, WHO OPERATES JUST ACROSS TOLLWAY AND FRISCO. THEY HAVE UP TO A SIX-MILE DELIVERY RADIUS, SO THEY CAN DELIVER WITHIN SIX MILES OF THEIR LOCATION IN FRISCO TO ANY MUNICIPALITY. >> Bronsky: WE WOULD BE VERY WISE TO BE ATTENTIVE TO THAT POSSIBILITY AND UNDERSTANDING THAT SHOULD WE DECIDE TO TRY NOT TO DO ANYTHING, WE COULD ULTIMATELY HAVE NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES BY NOT WORKING WITH THIS PROCESS. >> THE CONVERSATION TONIGHT IS MORE SO WHERE IN THE CITY WOULD WE LIKE THESE PROVIDERS TO PARTNER WITH OUR EXISTING PLANO BUSINESSES. >> Bronsky: SO, ALSO ON THIS, WE TALKED ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO REGULATE FLIGHT PATTERNS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE FAA. BUT THE FAA HAS AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS THAT PASS OFF. WHAT BRINGS TOGETHER THESE THREE DIFFERENT COMPANIES OPERATING ALL THREE PSIBLY WITHIN THE CITY, MAKING SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE SOME SORT OF AIR TRAFFIC PROBLEMS? >> FOR SURE. SO, THE FAA INSTITUTED A RULE A COUPLE YEARS AGO NOW THAT REQUIRES A BROADCAST ID ON ALL DRONES. THEY GAVE A COUPLE YEARS FOR MANUFACTURERS TO CATCH UP. SO THAT RULE DOES COME INTO IN EFFECT SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR. I'M SURE THE INDIVIDUALS BEHIND ME CAN TALK A LOT MORE ABOUT HOW THEIR DRONES COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER. IN TERMS OF AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL, G ON. SO, OF COURSE FAA, NASA AND TOGETHER ON, KIND OF, A NATIOL FRAMEWORK FOR HOW ALL THESE DIFFERENT LOW-ALTITUDE AIRCRAFT COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER. IT WON'T BE THROUGH THE TRADITIONAL AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL THROUGH A TOWER TALKING TO A HUMAN. IT WILL BE CU COMPUTER TO COMPU, AIRCRAFT TO AIRCRAFT. ON THE MORE LOCAL SCALE, NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS ISSUED AN RFP TO GET PROPOSALS TO CREATE A LOCAL AIR TRAFFIC FRAMEWORK. AND THEY ARE LOOKING FOR MUNICIPAL PARTNERS IN THAT PROJECT. IT IS SOMETHING WE COULD PARTICIPATE IN AS A MUNICIPALITY. >> Bronsky: THAT WOULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO PARTICIPATE. OKAY. THANK YOU, JORDAN. I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR ERIC. MR. BREMMER. YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU DELIVER FOR WALMART. >> CORRECT. >> Bronsky: EVERYTHING IN THEIR STORE? >> THE SUPERCENTERS WE CARRY ABOUT 83% OF THEIR TOTAL ASSORTMENT. WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE THE GUYS AND GALS THAT DELIVER KAYAKS, BUT JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE. >> Bronsky: MY DAUGHTER, CARRIE, I WAS TALK ING TO HER. SHE'S 20. SHE THINKS THIS IS A GREAT IDEA. E WANTED ME TO ASK YOU WHAT ABOUT PETS? WHAT ABOUT CARRYING FISH, OR BIRDS, OR SOMETHING THAT WALMART'S SELLING? HOW ARE ANIMALS TREATED AS IT RELATES TO DELIVERY? >> I'D HAVE TO CONFIRM, BUT I'M FAIRLY CONFIDENT THE FAA REGULATES THE MOVEMENT OF LIVESTOCK AND OTHER LIVE ANIMALS AND WE'RE NOT PERMITTED TO. NOT GOING TO BRING A GOLDFISH, I'M SORRY. >> Bronsky: SHE WAS WORRIED ABOUT THE FISH'S LIFE. >> VERY GOOD. >> Bronsky: LET'S SEE. SO, AS IT RELATED TO WORKING TOGETHER WITH THE OTHER COMPANIES IN THE AREA AND THE FLIGHT PATHS AND THOSE KIND OF INTERACTIONS ACROSS PLANO, WHAT DO YOU SEE, OR HOW DO YOU SEE THE DIFFERNT -- I'LL USE THE WORD DRONE INTERACTIONS -- WO WITH ALL OF THE OTHER DRONE COMPANIES TO MAKE SURE OUR SKIES ARE SAFE? >> SO, PART OF WHAT WE OPERATE UNDER WITH THAT PART 107 CERTIFICATION IS A REQUIREMENT FOR OUR CURRENT PILOTS TO MAINTAIN VISUAL LINE OF SIGHT TO THE AIRCRAFT AT ALL TIMES. THE NAKED EYE HAS TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE AIRCRAFT IN MOTION, BOTH FROM TAKEOFF TO THE DELIVERY POINT AND THE RETURN. ALL OF OUR PILOTS ARE REQUIRED TO OPERATE UNDER SEEK AND AVOID. WHILE THE AIRCRAFT IS RELATIVELY AUTONOMOUS AND PLANNING ITS OWN MISSION AND FLIGHTATH, THE OPERATOR STILL HAS COMPLETE AND TOTAL CONTROL SHOULD THEY SEE SOMETHING THAT THE AIRCRAFT DOES NOT. AND I WILL LET OTHERS COMMENT ON THEIR ORGANIZATIONS. >> Bronsky: ONE LAST THING ON WING. LOVED THE 87%. TO ME, IT'S VERY ENCOURAGING AND VERY EXCITING THAT YOU ARE VERY PROACTIVE IN TALKING TO THE COMMUNITY, BECAUSE AS I SAID, I WANT US TO BE FORWARD-THINKING. I WAN PLANO TO BE SOMETHING MY GRANDCHILDREN ARE EXCITED ABOUT AND WANT TO LIVE IN. AND I THINK MOVING IN THIS DIRECTION AND EVEN FURTHER IS IMPORTANT, BUT IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO EDUCATE US OLDER PEOPLE WHO ARE MAYBE A LITTLE MORE HESITANT ON THOSE KIND OF THINGS. SO THE FACT THAT YOU GUYS ARE REALLY ENGAGING AND TALKING TO THE COMMUNITY, AND SEEKING INPUT FROM THEM AND SHARING WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND MAKING IT NOT SCARY -- I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH, BECAUSE THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ME. >> THANK YOU. >> Cha DownsCOMMSIONER OLLEY. >> Olley: I JUST WANT TO SAY [ INDISCERNIBLE ]. TWO QUESTIONS FOR -- ONE QUESTION FOR THE OPERATOR. >> Chair Downs: WHICH OPERATOR? >> Olley: LET'S USE WING. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND COMING, THANK YOU. >> Olley: FINAL DELIVERY, HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN? I PRESUME THERE'S A WHAT, A DROP-OFF HEIGHT? >> YES, GREAT QUESTION. SO, OUR AIRCRAFT GENERALLY FLIES AT 150 FEET. AND WHEN IT GETS TO YOUR HOME, FOR EXAMPLE, TO DELIVER YOUR ICE CREAM, THE AIRCRAFT WILL HOVER AT 20 FEET AND THERE IS A TETHER SYSTEM ON OUR DRONE. TOM IS POINTING TO THE PILL. AND THAT HOOKS ONTO THE PACKAGE ITSELF. IT LOOKS LIKE A BALL WITH A TOOTH ON IT. THE AIRCRAFT IS HOVERING AT 20 FEET. THE TETHER WILL HOVER TOWN WITH THE PACKAGE. ONCE THE P PACKAGE HITS THE GROUND, IT UNHOO ITSELF. AFTER THAT HAPPENS, THE TETHER GOES BACK UP INTO THE DRONE AND THE DRONE FLIES BACK TO THE NEST AND IT CHARGES. >> Olley: OKAY. QUESTION FOR -- POSSIBLY YOU, MICHELLE. IN SENATE BILL 905, THE EXTENSION OF PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS ABOVE 200 FEET, AM I RIGHT IN READING THAT AS, LET'S ASSUME WE DON'T DO ANYTHING AND PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS EXTENDED ABOVE THE BUILDING 200 FEET, THEN THIS ESSENTIALLY NEGATES ANY REGULATION THAT A RETAIL OR DRONE OPERATOR -- BECAUSE IF I OWN THE AIR SPACE ABOVE MY ROOF, I CAN FLY WHATEVER I WANT FROM THERE RIGHT? >> I'M SORRY, I JUST HAVE NOT STUDIED THIS STUFF. >> Chair Downs: IS THAT A FEDERAL . . .? >> Olley: YEAH, IT WAS PART OF THE PACKAGE. >> YEAH, I READ IT. >> Chair Downs: SO, RIGHT. GO AHEAD. >> I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON AIR PROPERTY RIGHTS. >> Olley: OKAY. >> WE ARE REGULATED TO FLY FROM 0-400 FEET. WE FIND OUR SWEET SPOT IS 150. >> Olley: OKAY. ONE QUESTION FOR STAFF. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. >> Olley: THANK YOU. ACTUALLY, THE SLIDE THAT IS ON NOW, 73 -- THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, 72, MADE -- MAYBE NOT THIS -- TALKED ABOUT THE TEXAS STATE REGULATION. I READ THAT AS ASSUME THAT THE STATE HAS PRECEDENCE AND WE REALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH WIGGLE ROOM HERE, BUT ON THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE SOME AREAS THAT WE CAN RELATE. SO I'M TRYING TO MARRY BOTH SENTIMENTS IN MY HEAD. >> YES. SO THE LANGUAGE USED BY THE STATE IS -- I DO HAVE IT COPIED OUT HERE SOMEWHERE. IF THAT WERE RESTRICTED FROM ADOPTING AND ENFORCING ORDINANCES RELATED TO THE OPERATION OF AN UNMANNED AIRCRAFT, IT IS NOT DEFINED. THERE IS NO CASE LAW YET ABOUT WHAT IS ENTAILED WITHIN THE OPERATION OF AN AIRCRAFT. THE ITEMS HIGHLIGHTED HERE IN YELLOW, THOSE WERE TWO THINGS THAT THE FAA TOLD US THAT UNDER THEIR SUITE OF REGULATIONS WE COULD HAVE SOME INFLUENCE OVER, SPECIFICALLY IN REGARDS TO PRIVATELY OPERATED AIRFIELDS, WHICH IN OUR CASE WOULD BE A HUB. BUT THE STATE MAY PREEMPT THAT, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING. >> Olley: OKAY. AS OF NOW, BECAUSE IT'S LAND USE, WE CAN REGULATE THAT. BUT ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE ABILITY FOR THE DRONE TO BE OPERATED WITHIN THAT LAND USE GETS INTO A LITTLE BIT OF THE GRAY AREA. >> CORRECT. AS SOON AS THE AIRCRAFT LEAVES THE GROUND, THE FAA CLAIMS JURISDICTION ON IT. WHAT STAFF ARE PROPOSING IS THAT WE REGULATE THE LOCATION OF THE LANDING HUBS AND GROUND-BASED FACILITIES, SINCE WE DO SEEM TO HAVE JURISDICTION OVER GROUND-BASED FACILITIES AND LAND USE THROUGH OUR TYPICAL ZONING POWERS. >> Olley: THANK YOU. >> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO THINK ABOUT IS ANALOGIES WITH REGULATING AIRPORTS AND AIRPLANES AND WHAT THEY CAN DO. THOSE ARE THE ANALOGIES THAT FAA ENCOURAGED US TO DRAW IN TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT OPERATION IS VERSUS WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN REGULATE FOR LAND USE. SO, WE CAN REGULATE AIRPORTS, WHERE THEY ARE, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, BUT, YOU KNOW, NOT NECESSARILY THE SIZE OF AN AIRPLANE. THAT'S WHY IT'S IN THE GRAY AREA >> Chair Downs: OKAY. COMMISSIONER CARY. >> Cary: YEAH, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. I GUESS MY FIRST ONE WOULD BE FOR ERIC, MAYBE. SIR, YOU SAID THAT YOU'RE REQUIRED TO, OR YOUR COMPANY REQUIRES VISUAL CONTACT I THINK YOU SAID THAT, RIGHT? >> CORRECT. >> Cary: SO I'VE GOT TWO QUESTIONS. ALSO, I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF THE OTHER COMPANIES DO THAT. HOW FAR IS THAT? I GUESS IT WOULD DEPEND ON EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE OBSERVING FROM. HOW FAR IS IT? SECOND, HOW DO THEY AVOID POWER LINES? >> CERTAINLY. SO WHAT WE'VE FOUND AS FAR AS THE ACTOR -- AIRCRAFT IS CONCERNED FROM A FLIGHT PERSPECTIVE IS SIMILAR TO FLYING BETWEEN 0-400 FEET, WE'RE IN THAT SAME AREA, 225-300 FEET, DEPENDING ON THE ENVIRONMENT. AND AS A RESULT, IT IS EASIER TO SEE THE AIRCRAFT FROM A GREATER DISTANCE WHEN YOU'RE STANDING ON THE GROUND OR EVEN FROM AN ELEVATED POSITION. SO PART OF WHAT WE BRING FROM AN INFRASTRUCTURE PERSPECTIVE WITH THE HUBS THAT WE BUILD IS AN ELEVATED POSITION FOR THE PILOT TO MAINTAIN THAT VISUAL LINE OF SIGHT. WHAT THAT DISTANCE IS GETS TRICKY, BECAUSE PART OF THAT IS THE HUMAN EYEBALL. SOME PEOPLE HAVE BETTER VISION THAN OTHERS. WHAT WE'VE SEEN SO FAR IS A MILE FROM THE POINT OF ORIGIN IS EASY TO SEE WITH THE PAT AIRCRAFT WEE PROVIDED. SOME CAN SEE IT UP TO TWO MILES. BUT WE'RE LIMITING OUR FLIGHTS TO A MILE. >> Cary: THANK YOU. IS THAT DIFFERENT FOR ANY OF THE OTHER COMPANIES IS THAT ABOUT THE SAME? >> FROM A FLIGHT PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE PROBABLY PUSHING CLOSER TO TWO MILES, BUT WE'RE STILL FLYING LINE OF SIGHT. I THINK AS MENTIONED, REGULATIONS, THINGS ARE CHANGING. AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE I THINK IT WILL BE DIFFERENT, BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THAT IS WHAT WE'RE DOING. >> Cary: IS IT THE SAME FOR YOU KENDYL? >> NO. WE HAVE OUR PART 135 AND I BELIEVE THEY MENTIONED THEY'RE 107. SO THE DIFFERENCE IS WE OPERATE BEYOND VISUAL LINE O SIGHT. AND OUR PILOTS DO SEE EVERYTHING THAT THE AIRCRAFT IS DOING. YOU'D ALSO MENTIONED A QUESTION ABOUT POWER LINES. THERE IS A CAMERA ON OUR DRONE, BUT IT IS USED AS BACKUP NAVIGATION. WHEN IT'S FLYING, IT'S SAYING THAT'S A BUSH, TREE, HOUSE, THE GROUND. SO THAT'S HOW IT IS ABLE TO COMMUNICATE BACK TO THE PILOT AS WELL. >> Cary: OKAY. SINCE YOU'RE UP THERE, WHAT IS THE ADDITIONAL COST FOR YOUR SERVICE? I WANT TO SEND SOME ICE CREAM TO COMMISSIER RLIFF HERE, BECAUSE HE NEEDS IT. SO WHAT'S IT GOING TO COST ME ABOVE THE NORMAL IF I JUST DRIVE DOWN TO WHEREVER AND GET THAT ICE CREAM? I'M CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT THE RELATIVE COST OF THIS IS. AND I'M A RETAILER BY TRADE, SO IT'S FASCINATING TO ME. >> PERFECT. GOOD QUESTION. FOR US IT IS FREE. YOU ARE PAYING THE RETAIL ITEM PRICE BECAUSE WE WANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE COMMUNITY INTERACTS WITH OUR DELIVERY SERVICE. IT WILL NOT ALWAYS BE FREE, BUT IT IS TODAY. >> Cary: OKAY. >> Chair Downs: THAT'S A GOOD CURIOSITY QUESTION THAT -- LET'S STAY FOCUSED. >> Cary: YOU SAID YOU'VE HAD 300,000 FLIGHTS. HOW MANY FAILURES HAVE YOU HAD? >> YES. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NONE, BUT I'M HAPPY TO LOOK TO SEE IF THAT IS NOT THE CASE. >> Cary: OKAY. MY GUESS IS YOU'D PROBABLY KNOW OF THEM, WOULDN'T YOU? OKAY. WELL, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR ANYBODY AT THIS POINT. I AGREE WITH SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS HERE. WHAT ALL YOU GUYS ARE DOING IS FASCINATING, IT'S THE FUTURE. PLANO SHOULD AVOID BEING THE STAGECOACH COMPANY WITH THE RAILROADS COMING IN. I'M EXCITED ABOUT IT. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER TONG. YOU'LL FINDHAT WE GO AROUND IN CIRCLES SOMETIMES. >> Tong: THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I THINK IT'S ALSO FASCINATING AND WOULD LOVE TO SEE MORE APPLICATIONS LIKE THIS IN PLANO. I HAD THE SAME QUESTION AS COMMISSIONER CARY ABOUT HOW MANY FAILURES YOU HAVE HAD IN THE 300,000 FLIGHTS YOU HAVE HAD. SO MY QUESTION IS REGARDING SAFETY. I HAD THAT QUESTION EARLIER, BUT I FORGOT TO ASK. [ LAUGHING ] SO, I FOUND OR READ SOMEWHERE THAT MOST OF THE CRASHES HAPPEN WHEN THEY ARE TAKING OFF OR LANDING. SO I JUST WONDER WHAT'S YOUR SAFETY MEASURES THAT YOU WILL HAVE AROUND WHERE YOU ARE TAKING OFF, LIKE YOUR PAD? WHAT KIND OF REQUIREMENTS YOU HAVE ON YOUR SURROUNDINGS OR YOUR BASES THEY HAVE TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THE TAKING OFF. >> REALLY GOOD QUESTION. FOR US, LIKE I MENTIONED, ALL OF THOSE SAFETY REDUNDANCIES THAT ARE BUILT INTO OUR AIRCRAFT AND OUR SYSTEM IS NO DIFFERENT. THIS IS SOMETHING OUR ENGINEERS SPENT ALL OF THEIR TIME ON TO GET RIGHT. FOR A LITTLE BACKGROUE STARTED IN THE GOOGLE MOONSHOT FACTORY IN 2012. WE DIDN'T LAUNCH COMMERCIALLY UNTIL 2018. THEY DID A LOT OF WORK TO GET THIS RIGHT AND SAFETY IS THE HIGHEST PRIORITY FOR US. SO I THINK THE BIGGEST ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS WHEN THAT DRONE HAS THE BACKUP NAVIGATION AND IT TRULY IS SAYING HERE'S A SAFE PLACE TO LAND, HERE'S A SAFE PLACE TO LAND, THAT'S NOT A SAFE PLACE TO LAND, IN THE EVENT THAT THAT WOULD HAPPEN, IT ALREADY HAS THAT KNOWLEDGE AND DATA AND THEN CAN COMMUNICATE BACK TO THE PILOT AND COMMAND TO SAY HEY, SOMETHING'S NOT RIGHT. I HAVE TO MAKE THE LAND NOW. AND THEN WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS THE DRONE JUST SLOWLY, SLOWLY, SLOWLY HOVERS DOWN AND IT FINDS THAT GRASSY PATCH OR WHATEVER THE SAFE PLACE IT DICTATED WAS AND THEN IT LANDS THERE. IT TURNS ITSELF OFF AND IT COMMUNICATES BACK TO THE PILOT. AND THEN THEY GO PICK IT UP. >> Tong: VERY GOOD, BUT I WANT TO REPHRASE MY QUESTION. AS A CITY, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO, KIND OF, REGULATE OR PASS ORDINANCE ON CERTAIN AREAS OR LAND USE FOR LANDING OR TAKING OFF RIGHT. SO DO YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS ON THE SITE SELECTION FOR THIS USE TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THE TAKING OFF AND LANDING? >> TOM HELPS SET UP THE SITE, SO I WILL LET HIM TALK. >> THANK YOU. IN OUR SITES, WE HAVE A FENCE ON ALL FOUR SIDES. OR IF WE DIDN'T HAVE A FENCE, IT TREE LINE THAT IS TALLER THANH THE FENCE THAT WE WOULD IMPLEMENT AND THAT KEEPS US CONTAINED IN THOSE TAKEOFF AND LANDING AREAS. AND THAT'S REALLY BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE AIRCRAFT WITH ALL THE HOVER PROPELLERS, IT'S TAKING OFF VERTICALLY AND LANDING VERTICALLY. SO THE ATMO SPHERE OF CONCERN IT WE CONSIDER A COLUMN. IT'S NOT MOVING WILDLY IN ANY DIRECTION OTHER THAN UP AND DOWN, OR IT'S NOT MOVING WILDLY UP AND DOWN, IT'S GOING VERY SLOWLY UP AND DOWN. >> Tong: SOUNDS LIKE YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF REQUIREMENTS EXCEPT FOR THE CLE AIR SPACE. >> KIND OF. [ LAUGHING ] BUT THERE ARE OTHER REQUIREMENTS, LIKE THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, WITH A PARTNER SO WE DON'T HAVE TO USE A GENERATOR, SHARE POWER. BUT AS FAR AS THE AIR SPACE BEING CLEAR IS THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY. >> Tong: OKAY. VERY GOOD. SECOND QUESTION RELATED TO THAT, DO YOU HAVE ANY WEATHER-RELATED OR CLIMATE REQUIREMENTS TO A CERTAIN CITY OR CERTAIN, LIKE, OPERATION DELIVERY? MAYBE YOU SAY THERE'S A TORNADO TODAY, WE CANCEL THE OPERATION. >> THEY'RE COUNTRY-SPECIFIC. OUR AIRCRAFT IS VERY DURABLE. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THOSE LIMITATIONS ARE, I CAN ANSWER THEM. >> Tong: OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. LAST QUESTION. HAS IT EVER HAPPENED TO YOU THAT AN AIRCRAFT IS MAKING A DELIVERY TO A HOUSEHOLD AND MAYBE THE KIDS GOT CURIOUS OR THE DOG GOT CURIOUS AND IT GOT PICKED UP OR KEPTED OR DESTROYED? HAS THAT EVERAPPENED TO YOU? >> NO, BUT IF YOU WANT TO ANSWED WITH THE TETHER, IF SOMEONE PULLED ON IT, IT WOULD DETACH. SO IT'S NOT TIED TO THE AIRCRAFT. IT'S JUST LONG ENOUGH THAT IT WILL DELIVER TO THE GROUND AND THEN RETRACT. SO IF SOMEONE CAME UP TO AND PULLED IT OFF, WE KEEP THE DRONE, THEY KEEP THE TETHER. >> Tong: VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. [ LAUGHING ] >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF -- LET'S NOT GET CARRIED AWAY. >> Brounoff: ICE CREAM, WHAT A FINE IDEA. KENDALL, WHAT WOULD STOP A LARGE COMPANY, CVS OR W WALGREENS, FRM ACCOMPLISHING THEIR OWN -- ESTABLISHING THEIR OWN DELIVERY SERVICE AND NOT COOPERATING WITH AN INDEPENDENT SUCH AS YOURSELF FOR THE PURPOSE OF DELIVERING PRESCRIPTION MEDICATIONS TO THEIR CUSTOMERS? >> YEAH, NOTHING'S STOPPING THEM RIGHT NOW. I THINK THE BIGGEST BARRIER TO THAT IS CREATING THE AIRCRAFT AND THEN GOING THROUGH THE FAA TO GET ALL THE WAIVERS AND CERTIFICATES. AND IT DOESN'T HAPPEN IN A SNAP OF A FINGER. IT IS A VERY LONG AND STRENUOUS PROCESS. SO I'M NOT SURE IF ANY OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD, BUT IT IS A VERY HEAVY PROCESS TO GO THROUGH TO CREATE AN AIRCRAFT THAT IS SAFE AND THEN ALSO ONE TO BE CERTIFIED THROUGH THE FAA WITH WHAT WE ARE DOING. >> Brounoff: OR THEY COULD BUY AN EXISTING COMPANY? >> Chair Downs: NONE OF THAT IS RELATED TO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DECIDE HERE. >> Brounoff: THAT'S LDING TO THE NEXT QUESTION FOR STAFF. >> Chair Downs: THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH WHATEVER WE'RE GOING TO DO REGARDLESS. >> Brounoff: THAT'S MY QUESTION FOR STAFF. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. >> Brounoff: ARE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS EQUALLY APPLICABLE TO A SITUATION WHERE A RETAILER IS OPERATING THEIR OWN SERVICE AS OPPOSED TO PARTNERING WITH AN INDEPENDENT SERVICE FOR DELIVERIES? >> THE SHORT ANSWER WOULD BE, YES. >> Brounoff: OKAY. >> YEAH, THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE IS NOT TO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST DIFFERENT USERS, IT'S TO REGULATE THE USE REGARDLESS OF WHO THE USER IS. >> Brounoff: OY. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. COMMISSIONER RATLIFF. >> Ratliff: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. DON'T SIT DOWN. [ LAUGHING ] >> Ratliff: JORDAN, SORRY, YOU'RE GETTING LOTS OF EXERCISE TONIGHT. ONE OF THE EXE QUESTIONS YOUD AS WHETHER OR NOT -- I THINK IT WAS YOUR FIRST QUESTION -- WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD CREATE A SEPARATE CATEGORY. AND HAVING BEEN THROUGH A RECENT HELISTOP CASE, IT IS CLEAR TO ME THAT THESE ARE VERY DIFFERENT HICLES. I LIKE YOUR DEFINITION WITH ONE EXCEPTION. THE DEFINITION ON YOUR PAGE 106 OF OUR PACKET. I'M NOT SURE WHAT PAGE -- >> ARE YOU SPEAKING ABOUT THE DEFINITION OF THE PROPOSED DEFINITION FOR HELLI -- >> Ratliff: IT'S IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. I HAVE ONE QUESTION ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE WHAT YOU SAY IN YOUR DEFINITION IS THAT IT IS AN AREA OF LAND CONTAINING ONE OR MORE AREAS FOR USE BY UNMANNED AIRCRAFT. YOU DON'T USE THEORD SMALL IN THERE. SHOULD WE ADD THAT THIS IS FOR THE 55-POUND OR LESS? I WANT TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT NOT OPENING THIS DEFINITION UP TO THE AIR TAXI BUSINESS INADVERTENTLY. >> YES. SO, IF WE WERE DIRECTED TO PURSUE TWO DEFINITIONS, THEN WE WOULDN'T USE THE SAME DEFINITION THAT'S ON-SCREEN FOR BOTH OF THOSE USES. ONE OF THEM WOULD BE LIMITED BY THE 55 POUNDS, WHICH IS THE FAA STANDARD. >> Ratliff: CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THE AIR TAXIS WOULD FALL UNDER THE HELISTOP ALMOST REGARDLESS, WE JUST NEED TO MODIFY OUR DEFINITION PER YOUR RECOMMENDATION. >> YES. SOME OF THEM WOULD. SO I THINK I INCLUDED IMAGES OF FOUR DIFFERENT VEHICLES. SO THE ONE ON THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT HAS THE FOUR PODS. THIS ONE WOULD BE A ROTARY WING, BUT THE ROTORS TILT. SO IT'S NOT CONSIDERED A HELICOPTER. SAME WITH THE THREE ON THIS PAGE. THEY ARE ALL -- THE TOP TWO HAVE ROTARY WINGS, BUT THEY TILT SO THEY AREN'T CONSIDERED HELICOPTERS, THEY ARE ROTARY WING OR TILT ROTORS. THE ONE ONE ON THE BOTTOM HAS A MICRO-JET SYSTEM, I BELIEVE. >> Ratliff: AS MUCH AS I -- >> A LOT OF -- >> Ratliff: AS MUCH AS I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THOSE, I THINK THOSE ARE 5-10 YEARS IN OUR FUTURE. I THINK THEY PROBABLY ARE. BUT THE DRONES ARE HERE TODAY. I THINK IT'S IMPTANT IF WE AR GOING TO DESIGNATE COMMERCIAL DRONE DELIVERY HUBS THAT WE'RE REAL CLEAR THAT THAT'S THE 55-POUND MINUS SIZE VEHICLES OR WHATEVER WE'RE GOING TO CALL THEM AIRCRAFT. AND IF WE DO, THEN I BELIEVE WE NEED THAT SEPARATE DEFINITION SO THAT WE CAN OPEN THE DOORS TO THIS BUSINESS MODEL WITHOUT WORRYING ABOUT THOSE LARGER AIRCRAFT JUMPING THROUGH A LOOPHOLE BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T SPECIFICALLY DEFINED THE SMALL 55-POUND OR LESS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. >> SO THE 55 POUNDS COMES FROM THE CURRENT PART 107 THAT THE FAA HAS DEPENDING ON WHAT GOES ON IN THE HOUSE AND IN THE SENATE, AND WITH THE FAA REAUTHORIZATION THIS YEAR, PART 107 COULD CHANGE. I DID MENTION THAT GENERALLY 55 POUNDS IS THE SIZE OF THESE DELIVERY DRONES. THE ONE EXCEPTION THAT I KNOW OF IS AMAZON PRIME. THEIR DRONE IS ABOUT 88 POUNDS. F THE ATTACHMENTS. >> Ratliff: SHOULDN'T OUR CLASSIFICATION THEN REFERENCE THE FEDERAL STANDARD AS OPPOSED TO US HAVING OUR OWN DEFINITION? WOULD IT BE EASIER FOR Y'ALL TO ENFORCE THAT ANYTHING THAT FALLS UNDER THE PART 107 IS CONSIDERED A DRONE AND ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T FALL WITHIN 107 IS CONSIDERED NOT A DRONE? >> SO ABOVE 55 IT'S STILL CONSIDERED A DRONE, IT'S JUST NOT THE SUAS, THE SMALL UNMANNED AIRCRAFT SYSTEM. UNMANNED AIRCRAFT SYSTEMS TAKE A WIDE, WIDE RANGE OF SIZES. THINK OF THE, FOR INSTANCE, THE MILITARY, THE PREDATOR DRONE. THERE IS ALSO A COMPANY THAT'S WORKING ON FULL-SCALE AUTONOMOUS CARGO AIRCRAFT THAT ARE THE SIZE OF A CONVENTIONAL AIRCRAFT BUT THEY DO NOT HAVE A PILOT. THOSE ARE CONSIDERED DRONES. SO IT BECOMES TRICKY WHERE YOU DRAW THE LINE -- >> Ratliff: GOOD POINT. >> FOR SIZE. 55 IS CLEARLY THERE IN PART 107, SO THAT'S AN EASY DISTINCTION. BEYOND THAT, IT STARTS TO GET DIFFICULT, ESPECIALLY AS TECHNOLOGY CHANGES AND ADVANCES. >> Ratliff: NO OFFENSE TO PRESENT COMPANY IN THE ROOM BUT I WOULDN'T WANT TO PRECLUDE AMAZON FROM BEING ABLE TO DELIVER BY DRONE IF THEIRS IS TEN POUNDS OVER THE LIMIT, SO. I GUESS THAT'S WAY BEYOND THE CHALLENGE OF THIS COMMISSION, BUT I WOULD CHALLENGE THE STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T WRITE THAT TOO STRICT, BUT WE WRITE IT STRICT ENOUGH. I'LL TRUST YOU TO KNOW HOW TO DO THAT. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. >> Ratliff: THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: MR. LISLE. >> Lisle: JORDAN, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT HAS ALL THE RED, SOMEWHERE AROUND 80, I THINK? >> THE RED WHAT? >> Lisle: THE RED ON THE MAP, I'M SORRY. >> OKAY. >> Lisle: THAT ONE. THAT IS WHERE STAFF IS RECOMMENDED LAND USE PERMISSIONS, THAT'S WHERE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING WE ALLOW ALL THESE TO TAKE OFF TO AND FROM? >> YES. SO THIS IS WHERE -- IN RED, THE LAND USES THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN THE STAFF REPORT. SO THOSE DIFFERENT RETAIL-TYPE USE, SUCH AS A RETAIL STORE, A SUPERSTORE, A SHOPPING CENTER, A RESTAURANT, THAT'S WHERE THOSE USES ARE ALREADY PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN THE DISTRICT AND WE'RE RECOMMEND THAT DRONE DELIVERY HUBS BE PERMITTED ACCESSORY TO THOSE TYPES OF USES. SO THAT'S YOUR RETAIL DISTRICT, THE CE DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, ALL -- >> Lisle: STAFF IS RECOMMENDING A 5% LIMITATION, IS THAT RIGHT? >> YES, 5% OF THE TOTAL AREA OF SITE IF LOCATED AT GRADE, AND NO N THE ROOF OF THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING. >> Lisle: I WOULD LIKE TO TALK WITH THE PRESENTERS HERE. DO Y'ALL WANT TO BE ON THE ROOF OR THE GROUND? >> WE'RE HAPPY TO GO WHEREVER YOU'RE GOING TO LET US GO. WE DO HAVE A ROOFTOP FACILITY IN AUSTRALIA. THAT'S THE FIRST AND ONLY ONE WE HAVE. SO WE CAN DO IT, WE JUST HAVEN'T DONE IT HERE YET. SO IT REALLY JUST DEPENDS WHAT THE ORDINANCE IS GOING TO ALLOW. >>isle: THE ROOF SEEMS LIKE THE OBVIOUS SITE OR SPOT FOR THE LINE OF SIGHT, BUT THERE'S ONLY ONE IN AUSTRALIA. THAT DOESN'T SEEM REAL ENCOURAGING. >> WE JUST LAUNCHED IT LIKE MAYBE SIX OR EIGHT MONTHS AGO AND IT'S ON THE TOP OF A MALL, SO IT ALLOWS US TO HAVE MULTIPLE RETAILERS. DO YOU WANT TO ANSWER? >> FROM A FLIGHT RISK PERSPECTIVE I THINK WE'RE OKAY WITH EITHER ON THE ROOF OR ON THE GROUND. OUR FACILITIES NOW ARE ON THE GROUND. WE HAVE LOOKED AT ROOFTOP LOCATIONS, BUTAVIN THE OPTION WOULD BE WHAT I'D RECOMMEND FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE. >> Lisle: YOU HAD MENTIONED A 70 x 70 LOCATION, WHICH WAS 4,900 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS MORE THAN 10% OF EVEN AN ACRE SITE. AND I'M GUESSING THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A STANDALONE, NOT AN ACCESSORY USE. AND THAT WOULD BE IN THE PURPLE AREA JORDAN. YEAH. AND SO A QUESTION FOR STAFF. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A DIFFERENT SET OF RULES FOR THEI1 AND LI2 VERSUS THE ACCESSORY USE. >> TO A DEGREE. WE COULD APPLY THE SAME SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FOR BOTH AN ACCESSORY USE AND PRIMARY USE. SO REGARDLESS OF IF THE TAKEOFF AND LANDING SITE IS ASSOCIATED WITH A RESTAURANT OR IS THE ONLY USE ON THE PROPERTY, IT WOULD STILL REQUIRE THE SAME SETBACK. THE LOT COVERAGE IS THE ONE THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT. AS AN ACCESSORY USE WE'RE PROPOSING TO LIMIT IT TO 5% OF THE SITE. IF AS PRIMARY USE, THERE'S NOT AS MUCH OF A CONCERN OF IT TAKING OVER THE SITE. >> Lisle: NOW I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE TWO APPLICANTS. KENDALL, YOU ANSWERED THAT YOUR SERVICE IS FREE. CAN Y'ALL COME UP? ARE Y'ALL'S SERVICES ALSO FREE? >> WE RUN INCENTIVES IN SOME LOCATIONS THAT CERTAIN ITEMS ARE FREE AND OTHERS THERE ARE A CHARGE. YOU'LL FIND THAT FROM A BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE, I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO FAR OFF TOPIC, IT'S COMPETITIVE WITH THE OTHER MODELS, THE TRADITIONAL UBER EATS MODELS BECAUSE IT'S A DRONE VERSUS A CAR, LABOR, A NUMBER OF . BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE FLYING COMBINATION, A BLEND OF THE TWO. >> Lisle: IF YOU HAD A STANDALONE SITE THERE'S NO PRODUCT. SOMEONE HAS TO DELIVER THE PRODUCT TO THE SITE AND THEN IT HAS TO GET IN THE DRONE, RIGHT? >> YES. SO, WHEN WE'RE ON A STAND ALONE SITE WE'RE LOCATED VERY CLOSE TO RETAIL. THE HOLLY SPRINGS SITE IS LITERALLY, IF THIS IS THE SHOPPING CENTER, IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT, I'M GOING TO SAY A 12,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT. IT'S A SEPARATE LOT. IT'S ZONED RETAIL, NOT INDUSTRIAL. BUT IT'S A SEPARATE STANDALONE SITE AND WE ORATE -- >> Lisle: WORK. >> Chair Downs: DOESN'T WORK. >> Lisle: IF WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT DOING THE STANDALONE SITES IN THE LI1, THE PURPLE AREA ON THE MAP, THAT'S A VERY SPECIFIC PART OF THE CITY. WE'RE GOING TO NOT BE ABLE TO SERVE A LOT OF THE CITY. >> Chair Downs: YOU MEAN AS A STANDALONE SITE? >> Lisle: YEAH. >> CLARIFICATION FOR ME. I BELIEVE THE STANDALONE SITES, ARE THEY THE LIGHT PURPLE COLOR, ARE THOSE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING, OR IS THAT COMMERCIAL AS WELL? >> [ OFF MIC ] >> Chair Downs: IT INCLUDES COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL. >> IT DOES INCLUDE SOME COMMERCIAL AREAS. SO THE TWO AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN ARE IN LI1 AND LI2, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. AT THE TOP, THE CLUMP IS THE COMMERCIAL EMPLOYMENT. THAT'S OUR LEGACY WEST AREA OF THE CITY. >> Chair Downs: RIGHT. >> THE RED'S ALL THE RETAIL. I GET THAT. >> Cha Downs: WELL AGAIN, WE COULD WRITE AN ORDINANCE THAT HAS SOME FLEXIBILITY TO IT. >> RIGHT. THERE WAS A REFERENCE -- I GUESS I'M JUST -- WHEN WE HAVE CONVERSATION HERE -- I'M DONE WITH THE QUESTIONS. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. >> 4900, NOT 48,000. >> Lisle: I WROTE 4900, YES. IT'S STILL MORE THAN 10% OF AN ACRE. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. SO IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS UP THERE -- ALMOST. >> Tong: SORRY. >> Chair Downs: WE'RE GOOD, BECAUSE I ACTUALLY HAVE A COUPLE, BUT I'M GOINGO LET YOU. >> Tong: DO YOU WANT TO GO FIRST? THAT TRIGGERED MY QUESTION ABOUT 5%. I UNDERSTAND WE WERE PROPOSING 5% OF THE USE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO STAND UP. I HAVE A QUESTION TO KENDALL. I KNOW CURRENTLY YOU HAVE A SITE IN FRISCO. >> FRISCO AND SOMEWHERE ELSE. >> Tong: FOR THE WALGREENS. IT HAS ITS OWN PADS. IT'S KIND OF A NOT VERY LARGE, MAYBE AN ACRISH PLUS OR MINUS THERE A THEN YO HAVE A ROLL OF PADS THERE. DO YOU KNOW YOUR AREA IN THAT LITTLE SITE, HOW MANY SQUARE FEET DO YOU HAVE? >> SO THAT SITE IS OUR SMALLEST SITE. HERE'S THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT. AND IT ALLOWS UP TO SIX PADS. DO YOU KNOW THE SQUARE FOOTAGE? >> Tong: I WAS WONDERING IF THAT'S MORE THAN 5% OF THE SITE. I'M THINKING THE WALGREENS SITE IS VERY SMALL. >> I WOULD HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT, WHAT THE PERCENTAGE OF THAT USE OF SPACE I AT THE WALGREENS. >> Tong: OKAY. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: BUT THAT DOES TOUCH ON ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I WAS GOING TO ASK, IS THAT PICTURE. YOU'RE TAKING UP PARKING SPACES. ONE OF THE PROPOSED RECOMMENDATIONS IS NOT ALLOWED IN REQUIRED PARKING. SO YOU'D HAVE TO FIND A RETAIL PLACE TO HAVE MORE THAN THE REQUIRED AMOUNT OF PARKING IN ORDER FOR YOU TO USE THAT. IF WE'RE WRITING THAT INTO OUR DEFINITIONS WE HAVE TO CONSIDER ARE WE ESSENTIALLY ELIMINATING ANY RETAIL SPOTS BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE AREN'T TRYING TO OVER-PARK. THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE MORE PARKING THAN THEY ND. IF WE'RE NOT CREATING A PLACE FOR THEM TO HAVE THIS BECAUSE WE'RE ELIMINATING REQUIRED PARKING, WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO LOCATE? >> THAT WAS A CHALLENGE WITH THIS SITE. WE WERE ORIGINALLY GOING TO BE ON THE BACK SIDE. YOU CAN KIND OF TELL RIGHT ON THE UPPER RIGHT-HAND SIDE OF THE DRIVE-THROUGH IN THAT IMAGE, THAT'S THE BACK OF THE STORE. BUT WE FOUND IT MORE CHALLENGING FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE LOADING THE THRONES AND THAT WAS A SAFETY ISSUE FOR THEM TO GET AROUND THE BUILDING. THEY'D HAVE TO WALK THROUGH THE DRIVE-THROUGH ETC. WE WOUND UP TAKING UP THESE SPOTS AND EXACTLY TO YOUR POINT, THEY DO HAVE A TOWN ORDINANC WHERE THEY REQUIRE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES AND WE WERE ABLE TO FIT OUR NEST PERFECTLY INTO WHAT THEY STILL HAD ALLOCATED. SO IT WAS A VERY GOOD SITUATION, BUT I ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM WITH THAT. >> Chair Downs: AND SO, OKAY. LAST QUESTION I'LL HAVE FOR YOU, BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE DONE AND I WANT YOU GUYS TO FEEL FREE TO LEAVE, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO HEAR WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS. >> SURE. >> Chair Downs: RECREATIONAL DRONE PILOTS -- THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE DRONES, THE ALL RECREATION DRONES AND THEY CAN FLY UP TO 400 FEET AS WELL. I HAVE ONE. I POP MY DRONE UP IN THE AIR 20E A PICTURE OF MY HOUSE, OF THE BACKYARD WITH THE LANDSCAPING. IS YOUR EQUIPMENT ABLE TO SPOT MY DRONE AND KNOW THERE'S ANOTHER DRONE IN MY FLIGHT PATH? IS THAT GOING TO HAPPEN? IS THAT A PROBLEM? IT GETS BACK TO THAT CROWDED AIRSPACE A LITTLE BIT. YOU GUYS ARE VERY REGULATED. YOU HAVE EYESIGHT. SOMEBODY ELSE POPPED THEIR DRONE UP, THEY WANT TO SEE THE NEIGHBOR'S NEW POOL, WHATEVER. I'M JUST SAYING, DOES YOUR EQUIPMENT ALSO IDENTIFY AT THIS POINT IN TIME THOSE TYPES OF RANDOM OBJECTS? >> SINCE MY EXPERT HERE IS HERE, HE CAN ANSWER THIS. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. THANK YOU. >> HI. THAT DOES GO BACK TO THE EARLIER POINTS ON REMOTE ID. WE ALSO PUBLISH NOTICE TO AIRMEN OF WHERE WE'RE OPERATING AND HOW HIGH. SO SURFACE T WHATEVER LEL THAT W OPERATE IN THAT AREA. AND SO YOU AS -- DO YOU HAVE YOUR PART 107 LICENSE? >> Chair Downs: I DO NOT, BECAUSE MY DRONE IS UNDER 249 -- >> YOU KNOW. MANY REASONS TO GET IT. >> Chair Downs: YOUR DRONE WOULD PROBABLY TAKE MINE OUT. IT WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM. BUT SOMEBODY MIGHT LOSE THEIR ICE CREAM. >> PART OF OUR DESIGN IS TO BE FRANGIBLE. IF WE HIT ANYTHING, WE INTEND TO LOSE THE BATTLE, ACTUALLY. BUT YOU COULD FLY ABOVE THAT PUBLISHED ALTITUDE AND YOU WOULD NOTE IN THE SAME AREA AS US. WE ALSO HAVE A CONSUMER APP, OPEN SKY. YOU CAN PUBLISH WHERE YOU INTEND TO FLY. >> Chair Downs: THAT SHOULD SHOW UP IN THE FIRMWARE UPDATES. >> ON YOUR END, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE -- IT SHOULD FLAG YOU. IT SHOULD BE FLAGGING YOU TO CHECK THINGS OF THAT NATURE. >> AND THEN TO TOM'S POINT, WE DO A TON OF OUTREACH TO LAW ENFORCEMENT HELICOPTERS THINGS LIKE THAT AS WELL SO THEY CAN CALL US AND SAY WE NEED TO PUT UP A TEMPORARY FLIT RESTRICTION. FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S A HELICOPTER COMING INTO BAYLOR RIGHT OUTSIDE OF OUR FACILITY AT FRISCO. THEY GET THE PHONE CALL AND THEY DRAW A CIRCLE AROUND SO THE DRONES KNOW DO NOT GO OVER THERE RIGHT NOW. AND ANOTHER GREAT EXAMPLE, WE DID AN OUTREACH OPPORTUNITY RIGHT BEFORE RELAUNCHED AND THERE'S A HOT AIR BALLOON TEAM THAT TAKES OFF OVER BY McCORD PARK. THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, HAPPY TO KNOW YOU. WE DON'T HAVE ADSV ON OUR AIRCRAFT. WE'RE LIKE, COOL. THEY GIVE OUR CHIEF PILOT A CALL SAYING WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING THIS MANY FLIGHTS,UST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A HEADS-UP. WE HAVE A LOT OF THOSE COMMUNICATIONS ALREADY IN PLACE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT. >> Chair Downs: IT'S THE DRONE COMMUNITY COMMUNICATES WITH EACH OTHER. >> EXACTLY. >> Chair Downs: IN A LOT OF CASES, WE'RE ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE LAWSUITS THAT ARE GOING ON AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL AND EVERYTHING ELSE, SO. I GUESS I WOULD ECHO WHAT'S BEEN SAID IN TERMS OF WE NEED SOME REGULATION. WE NEED SOME INFORMATION FOR YOUR BENEFIT AS WELL AS OURS. BUT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE YOUR INPUT AS WE GO THROUGH THIS. NIGHT IS INFORMATION-GATHERING. OUR INTENTION WOULD BE TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING. AT THAT POINT WE WOULD HAVE A MORE DEFINED DOCUMENT AND REGULATION ORDINANCE INFORMATION FROM STAFF AND WE WOULD HAVE INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC AT THAT POINT, WHICH MIGHT BE A MUCH MORE INTERESTING MEETING THAN THIS. WE'LL SEE. I KNOW SOME PEOPLE ARE AFRAID OF CHANGE. BUT I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS AND IT IS, AS I POINTED OUT HERE, WE'RE USING PARKING SPACES BUT WE'VE WRITTEN OURS THAT MIGHT RESTRICT YOU GUYS DRAMATICALLY AS TO WHE YOUAN OPERATE. WE HAVE TO KEEP THOSE THINGS IN MIND. AND MAINLY I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. I THINK EVERYONE HERE APPRECIATES YOU COMING, SPENTING THE TIME. THAT'S VERY EDUCATIONAL FOR US AND WE NEED THAT IN ORDER TO WRITE SMART ORDINANCE. SO, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. OF COURSE WE'VE GOT ONE MORE QUESTION. MR. BRONSKY. >> Bronsky: YOUR QUESTION ON DRONES SPARKED A THOUGHT. SO, WE HAVE A LOT OF BIRDS THAT LI TO LAND IN CERTAIN AREAS OF OUR CITY. PARKER, I GUESS 15TH AND CUSTER, FOR EXAMPLE. SO, YOU'RE IN THESE COMMERCIAL AREAS. AND FLOCKS OF BIRDS ARE FLYING THROUGH WHILE YOU'RE TRYING -- HOW DOES YOUR SYSTEM NAVIGATE AROUND FLOCKS OF BIRDS MOVING ACROSS SOME OF YOUR SERVICE AREAS, ESPECIALLY WHERE YOUR TAKEOFF AND LANDINGS ARE? >> YEAH, I'LL ANSWER FOR WING. BUT WE FIND THAT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH BDS, JUST BECAUSE OUR AIRCRAFT IS SO MUCH LARGER. WE ALSO DID AN ANALYSIS IN FRISCO AND LITTLE ELM. IT WAS BASICALLY AN ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY TO UNDERSTAND WERE THERE LIVE RA NESTS, BALD EAGLE, WHAT'S THE MATING SEASON, ETC. BECAUSE IF THEY DID FALL WITHIN OUR SERVICE AREA IN THAT MATING SEASON WE WOULD PUT UP A FLIGHT RESTRICTION AROUND THERE, BECAUSE WE TAKE THAT VERY SERIOUSLY. I WILL INVITE YOU TO LOOK ON OUR YouTube CHANNEL. YOU CAN FIND THIS WIDELY, RA I T WAS A RAVEN HOOKED ONTO THE BACK OF OUR AIRCRAFT. IT WAS DURING MATING SEASON. OUR AIRCRAFT WAS ABOUT -- AT THE 20 FEET READY TO DROP THE PACKAGE. SO THIS IS ON FILM AND ON YouTube NOW. AND IT SHAKES THE BACK OF OUR DRONE INCREDIBLY VIOLENTLY. OUR DRONE OPERATES EXACTLY AS IT SHOULD. IT STAYS IN THE HOVER. THE DRONE GOES -- THE BIRD GOES AWAY. THE DRONE DROPS THE PACKAGE SAFELY. IT COMES BACK TO US. OF COURSE WE STUDY THE HECK OUT OF THAT AIRCRAFT. WE'RE LIKE, WHAT'S GOING ON? AND EVERYTHING WAS GREAT. IT PERFORMED PERFECTLY WELL. SO WE HAD OUR BIRD PEOPLE IN AUSTRALIA UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON IS THAT MATING SEASON AND IT WAS. SO FOR TWO WEEKS -- I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT TWO-WEEK SPAN OPERATIONS IN THAT AREA FOR THAT REASON. >> Bronsky: OKAY. AND SINCE I WAS ASKING, DO YOU HAVE CERTAIN WEATHER CONDITIONS THAT YOU WILL AND WILL NOT DELIVER IN? >> YES. WE DO HAVE A WIND CAPACITY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THT IS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. >> ARE THERE SPECIFIC LIMITATIONS YOU'RE INTERESTED IN? >> Bronsky: I WAS WRAPPING UP MY LAST QUESTION AND I HAPPENED TO HAVE WRITTEN DOWN WEATHER CONDITIONS AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS, YOU KNOW, STORMS, HEAVY RAINS -- >> MOST INTERESTINGLY WE CAN FLY IN UP TO MODERATE RAIN. >> Bronsky: THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M VERY EXCITED. I DEFINITELY THINK WE NEED TO BE AT THE FRONT OF THIS. I THINK WE NEED TO BE DEVELOPING SOME STANDARDS THAT ARE WELCOMING FOR THIS, BECAUSE I BE IN CONTROL OF IT RATHER THAN AS MR. CARY SAID, BEING A STAGECOACH LOCATION AND HAVING IT BEING DONE TO US. SO, THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: LET'S CIRCLE BACK, JORDAN NOW, TO YOUR QUESTIONS. AND W SEE WHERE WE WANT TO GO FM HERE. ALL RIGHT. SO, I'M GOING TO START OFF WITH I THOUGHT MR. RATLIFF BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT. IT'S BEEN MENTIONED MULTIPLE TIMES ABOUT THE INDUSTRIES CHANGING FAIRLY QUICKLY. AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT STATE, FEDERAL, OR FAA REGULATION IS GOING TO COME DOWN THE PIKE. SO WHATEVER WE WRITE NEEDS TO BG BASIC GROUND RULES TO START WITH THAT IS PRETTY OPEN, I THINK, AND GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO BEGIN THE EXPERIENCE. SO I DON'T KNOW THE BEST WAY TO DEFINE THIS, TO HIS POINT. WE DON'T WANT TO EXCLUDE AMAZON FROM OPERATING HERE, SO HOWEVER WE WRITE THIS LANGUAGE NEEDS TO BE CLEAR THAT WHATEVER DEFINITION WE USE, IT ALLOWS, YOU KNOW, SOME FLEXIBILITY IN WHO CAN OPERATE HERE. SO I DON'T KNOW THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE SHOULD CRAFT THAT LANGUAGE. BUT JUST STARTING WITH THAT, SHOULD WE TRY TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT DEFINES THIS SMALL OPERATION, LET'S CALL IT, NOT SMALL DRONES, BUT SMALL OPERATIONS? AND MAYBE YOU HAVE A SUGGESTION ALREADY. I DON'T KNOW. >> YEAH, I THINK WHAT STAFF WERE LEANING TOWARDS WAS IF WE DO HAVE A SMALL ONLINE AIRCRAFT DELIVERY HUB, THEN WE WOULD APPLY THE MOST PERMISSIVE RESTRICTIONS TO THAT. FOR INSTANCE, THAT 150-FOOT SETBACK AND PERHAPS NOT REQUIRING AN S.U.P. ABOVE 55 WE MIGHT WANT TO REQUIRE AN S.U.P. OR HAVE A LARGER SET BLACK TOENTIVE USES, SINCE A LARGER AIRCRAFT WILL GENERATE MORE OF A NUISANCE THAN UNDER 55. >> Chair Downs: WAS IT YOU THAT MENTIONED THE AMAZON? SO, DID STAFF LOOK INTO, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE AMAZON DRONES THAT ARE 88 POUNDS? WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT THAT? >> SO -- STAFF REPORT. IN ONE OF THE TOO MUCH. ATTACHMENTSTHERE'S A PHOTO OF T, 91.5 TAKEOFF WEIGHT, FIVE-POUND PAYLOAD, AND THEN WITHIN THE STAFF REPORT ITSELF THERE IS THE NOISE DATA. SO IT'S THE LARGEST OF THE DRONES THAT STAFF LOOKED AT AND IT IS THE NOISIEST OF THE DRONES THAT WE LOOKED AT. >> Chair Downs: MAYBE I'M MISSING IT, BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THE DECEMB DECIBEL LEVELS BAN DISTANCE. IT DOESN'T SAY WHICH DRONE. DID YOU SAY THE 88-POUND DRONE HAS A PAYLOAD CAPACITY OF 5 POUNDS? >> CORRECT. IT HAS A LOWER CAPACITY THAN SOME OF THE OTHER DRONES THAT ARE USED. >> Chair Downs: INTERESTING. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. I'M OPEN TO FEEDBACK HERE. BUT I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT'S 55 OR ABOVE AND THEN ABOVE THAT WE'VE GOT TO GO THROUGH AN S.U.P. PROCESS. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GO ABOUT DEFINING THAT. COMMISSIONER TONG, YOU WANT TO COMMENT. >> >> Tong: I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THE CHOICE NUMBER A AS IN APPLE, I GUESS. IF WE HAVE -- OR IF WE HAD A SEPARATE LAND USE, BECAUSE I THINK RIGHT NOW OUR LAND IN PLANO IS PRETTY MUCH ALREADY HAS ITS OWN, KIND OF, ZONING OR ZONE CLASSIFICATION, IF YOU WOULD. IF WE HAVE A -- IF WE DESIGNATE IT AS A SEPARATE LAND USE -- SO FOR EVERY PIECE OF LAND WE WANT TOSE IT FOR THIS PARTICULAR USE, WE'LL HAVE TO DO A REZONE. IS THAT CORRECT? NO? >> NO. SO WE'RE SUGGESTING THAT THE USE BE ADDED TO THE LAND USE TABLES. IN THE CASE OF AN ACCESSORY TO A RETAIL USE TO EVERY SINGLE ZONING DISTRICT WHERE THOSE RETAIL USES ARE ALREADY PERMITTED AND AS WELL AS EVERY SINGLE DISTRICT WHERE A WAREHOUSE USE IS ALREADY PERMITTED. WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH A ZONING CHANGE UNLESS THE COMMISSION DIRECTED US TO REQUIRE A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. THEN IT WOULD BE A DONE REQUEST FOR THAT S.U.P. >> Tong: SO WHICH WAY WOULD BE EASIER FOR THE STAFF'S WORKLOAD PROCESS AND ALSO OUR APPROVAL PROCESS, HAVING AN S.U.P. OR HAVING A SEPARATE LAND USE? >> SO, BY HAVING -- IF WE WERE IN QUESTION A TO HAVE TWO LAND USES AND THERE WAS ONE THAT WAS FOR SMALL AIRCRAFT THAT DIDOT REQUIRE AN S.U.P., MOST OF THE EXISTING PROVIDERS TODAY OPERATE AIRCRAFT THAT ARE BELOW 55 POUNDS. SO THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO JUST GO THROUGH A SITE PLAN PROCESS TO DESIGNATE THEIR TAKEOFF AND LANDING AREA AND IT WOULD COME TO THE COMMISSION AS A SITE PLAN OR A REVISED SITE PLAN OR POSSIBLY EVEN A STAFF-APPROVED SUBSTANTIALLY CONFORMING SITE PLAN. IF WE WERE TO REQUIRE AN S.U.P., THAT'S WHEN IT BECOMES A ZONING PETITION AND IT COMES TO THE COMMISSION FOR CONSIDERATION AND IT WOULD NEED TO BE ISSUED BY COUNCIL. IS THAT CORRECT? >> Chair Downs: YES. DOES IT MAKE SENSE -- >> Tong: I THINK SO. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: COULD PAYLOAD CAPACITY BE A DETERMINING FACTOR? IN OTHER WORDS, IF SOMETHING CAN CARRY UP TO TEN POUNDS, THEN IT FALLS WITHIN -- IT'S ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN CE, L1, L2. IN ORDER TO CARRY MORE THAN TEN POUNDS IT'S LIKELY GOING TO NEED TO BE A MUCH BIGGER AIRCRAFT, MAYBE, PERHAPS MUCH NOISIER? I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S A QUESTION I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO. MY THOUGHTS -- YES. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING HERE, IT SHOULD BE A PRIMARY USE IN L1, L2, LI1 AND LI2, CE. AND IT SHOULD BE PERMITTED AS AN ACCESSORY TO ANY RETAIL AREA. FIGURING OUT A WAY TO ADD IT AS A STANDALONE USE -- I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE MORE DISCUSSION. BUT IS THERE ANYONE THAT'S OPPOSED TO THIS PIECE? >> I'M NOT SURE I'M OPPOSED, BUT I'M REALLY THINKING THIS THROUGH. BECAUSE COMING FROM A RETAIL BACKGROUND, WHAT THESE GUYS ARE DOING TODAY, IT'S FREE OF CHARGE. THEY'LL WORK THAT OUT. THERE'S CERTAIN RETAILERS USING IT. AND ULTIMATELY AS THIS DEVELOPS, MY EXPERIENCE IS THIS IS GOING TO BE UBIQUITOUS AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THIS TO COMPETE. AND SO SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DEVELOP THEIR OWN SYSTEMS. ALL OF THESE THINGS WILL HAPPEN AS WE GO FORWARD. AND SO THE THING THAT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME IS, HOW MANY OF THESE CAN WE REALLY STAND IN THE AIR AT ONCE AND WHAT DOES THAT START TO LOOK LIKE? THE SOLUTION ISN'T CLEAR TO ME, BUT THE QUESTIONS ARE. AND SO IF WE ALLOW THIS TO JUST GO UNFETTERED, DO WE REGRET THAT DOWN THE ROAD, WHERE THE SKY IS FULL OF THINGS AS ALL THESE DIFFERENT RETAILERS ARE SHOOTING OFF THESE THINGS TO BRING AN ICE CREAM CONE, OR GOD KNOWS WHAT? AND I THINK ULTIMATELY YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THIS TO COMPETE. I DO BELIEVE IT'S THE FUTURE. AND SO I'M CONCERNED HOW WE LEGISLATE THIS SO THAT IT'S JUST NOT A NUISANCE IN OUR COMMUNITY. >> Chair Downs: I UNDERSTAND WHA. MR. LAW, YOU'RE NEXT HERE. MY ONLY THOUGHT ON THAT, WE CAN'T REGULATE THE AIR SPACE. IF WE SAY WE'RE ONLY GOING TO ALLOW IT IN THESE THREE SPOTS IN THE CITY THAT DOESN'T PERMIT THEM FROM FLYING IN FROM OUTSIDE THE CITY. SO WE CAN'T CONTROL THAT PIECE OF IT. SO IT'S A MATTER OF WHERE DO WE WANT TO ALLOW IT INSIDE. COMMISSIONER LISLE, GO AHEAD. MICROPHONE. >> Lisle: INSTEAD OF TALK. SORRY. I HAVEN'T SEEN THE POINT YET. LIKE, I DON'T WANT TO BE THE BACKWARD CITY. I WANT TOE A LEADER. I WANT TO WRITE A GREAT PROGRAM THAT BRINGS THIS. BUT I HAVEN'T -- WHAT -- TO DO WHAT? TO DELIVER A CHICKEN AND AN ICE CREAM CONE? LIKE -- AND THEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE LEAF-BLOWER. IT'S LIKE IF YOU'RE ENJOYING YOUR YARD AND A DRONE COMES IN TO LOWER MELTED ICE CREAM, AT THAT. IT'S HOT OUTSIDE. I JUST -- >> Chair Downs: WHAT ARE YOU QUESTIONING? THE REGULATION? >> Lisle: ON ONE HAND I WANT TO HAVE GOOD REGULATION BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY WE NEED THIS AT ALL. I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S GOING TO BECOME THE THING OF THE FUTURE. IF SOMEONE HAD TO PAY FOR THIS, WHY? IT'S COOL. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE NEED IT FOR REALLY. YOU CAN ALREADY ORDER YOUR PAIR OF JEANS AND HAVE THEM DELIVERED AT THE FRONT DOOR THAT AFTERNOON. I DON'T KNOW -- IF YOU'RE ENJOYING YOUR BACKYARD AND YOU'VE GOT THREE KIDS THAT LIVE ACROSS THE ALLEY AND THEY ALL ORDER AN ICE CREAM CONE AND THIS LEAF BLOWER HOVERS AND LOWERS SOMETHING DOWN, I DON'T KNOW. IF SOMEONE SAID WE DELIVER EMERGENCY MEDICINE, OKAY. THAT'S A GOOD REASON FOR IT. I JUST -- I DON'T SEE THE POINT YET. >> MY STATEMENT WAS THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ANY REGULATIONS FOR THEM TO DO THAT NOW. UP IN FRISCO SHE'S GOT SIX MILES SHE CAN DELIVER. >> Lisle: I UNDERSTAND THAT. >> THEY CAN ALREADY DELIVER IT LIKE THAT. >> [ OFF MIC ] >> BUT THE REASON IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS BECAUSE OF LABOR MODELS AND COST MODELS. AND AS THEY'RE FIGURE THIS OUT TODAY, IT MIGHT HAVE AN INCREASED COST. BUT WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT STAFFING COMPANIES AND PUTTING THESE DRIVERS ON THE ROAD AND THE REAL COST OF THAT, INSURANCS WILL BE MORE AFFORDABLE IN MY OPINION. >> AND I THINK CARS THAT DRIVE THEMSELVES AND DELIVERY TRUCKS THAT DRIVE THEMSELVES AND SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BEEN TO THE GROUND IS GOING BE WAY IN FRONT OF THIS. >> Chair Downs: SO I THINK DEBATING WHETHER THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN OR NOT IS NOT WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR. WE'RE HERE TO SAY HEY, DO WE WANT TO ALLOW THIS AND WHERE DO WE WANT TO ALLOW THEM TO BE ABLE TO DO IT. RIGHT NOW THEY CAN KIND OF DO IT WHEREVER. I THINK WE WANT TO PUT SOME BUMPERS ON THE THING. SO, LET'S GO BACK TO THE QUESTION HERE. LET ME MAKE IT SIMPLE. FORGET SIZES AND SAY DO WE WANT TO ALLOW THIS AS A PRIMARY USE IN COMMERCIAL EMPLOYMENT, L1, LI1 LI2 YES? YES YES. YOU'VE GOT DIRECTION THERE. ACCESSORY USE TO RETAIL SERVICE WAREHOUSE, ANY REASON NOT TO DO THAT? OKAY. >> [ OFF MIC ] [ LAUGHING ] >> Chair Downs: HE'S WATCHING -- YES, I UNDERSTAND. OKAY. SO IT SHOULD BE PERMITTED AS ACCESSORY TO RETAIL. YOU'VE KIND OF GOT THAT PIECE. DO WE WANT TO CREATE A SEPARATE LAND USE WITH LESS RESTRICTIVE STANDARDS TO BE INTRODUCED FOR A COMMERCIAL DRONE? WE'RE STRUGGLING THERE BECAUSE HOW DO WE DEFINE. MAYBE WE DON'T GO DOWN THAT PATH UNTIL WE GET A LITTLE MORE REGULATION AND KNOW WHAT'S COMING. SO MAYBE WE SKIHAT PIECE. >> [ OFF MIC ] >> Chair Downs: YES. >> Olley: IS IT AS EASY AS JUST TYING THE ORDINANCE TO AS DEFINED BY FEDERAL AND STATE -- OOP, SORRY -- DEFINED BY FEDERAL AND STATE REGULATION? THEIR DEFINITION OF SMALL UNMANNED AIRCRAFT, JUST TYING THAT INFORMATION TO AS DEFINED BY FEDERAL AND STATE REGULATION. SO IF THAT MOVES, WE ARE ANCHORED AND WE MOVE WITH THAT. >> Chair Downs: I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. IF WE DECIDE TO CREATE SEPARATE LAND USE CATEGORY, THAT'S WHERE WE COULD GO WITH IT. I THINK FOR RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST SAYING WE'RE BEGINNING TO ALLOW DRONES USED HERE. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A COMPLETELY SEPARATE LAND USE. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. >> YEAH. FOR A WE WERE TALKING SIMILAR TO HOW WE HAVE THREE STRATA FOR INDUSTRIAL USES. WE HAVE LIGHT INTENSITY, MODERATE, HEAVY, WITH VARYING DEGREES OF PERMISSIONS WITH LIGHT INTENSITY GENERALLY NOT REQUIRING AN S.U.P., THE OTHER ONES REQUIRING MORE AND MORE REGULATION. IT WOULD BE THE SAME APPROACH TO A SMALL DRONE HUB VERSUS A NOT SMALL DRONE HUB. >> Chair Downs: BUT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT APPROACHING US RIGHT NOW, ANYTHING LARGE. >> NO. CURRENTLY ALL INTEREST HAS BEEN FROM DRONE COMPANIES THAT OPERATE SMALL UAS. AMAZON HAS NOT EXPRESSED INTEREST IN EXPANDING OUT OF COLLEGE STATION YET. >> Chair Downs: ARE WE CLEAR ON ITEM ONE FOR YOU? IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU NEED FROM US? OKAY. >> I'D LIKE YOU TO THINK ABOUT THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, BECAUSE INCREASINGLY I THINK A LOT OF FACILITIES ARE OVER-PARKED. AND THEY MAY BE REQUIRED TODAY. BUT THIS PARTICULAR USE MAY BE A GOOD USE OF SOME OF THAT PARKING THAT ISN'T VERY UTILE TODAY. I WOULD SUGGEST WE THINK ABOUT THAT. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT. >> Chair Downs: YOU HAVE SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES ON THE NEXT SLIDE, WHERE YOU TALK ABOUT -- RIGHT HERE. >> SO IN TERMS OF PARKING, WHEN WE BRING AN ORDINANCE FORWARD WITH THE LAND USE, THERE WOULD BE AN ASSOCIATED PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR THIS USE. IN TERMS OF REFORMING EXISTING -- >> Chair Downs: COULD IT BE CALLED A NEGATIE PARKING REQUIREMENT, IN OTHER WORDS, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO REDUCE PARKING REQUIREMENTS BY SIX WHEREVER THEY GO? >> I THINK THAT MIGHT BE PREMATURE. I BELIEVE THAT AS PART OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE REWRITE WE ARE INTENDING AT LOOKING AT THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR ALL OF THE USES. SO THAT -- THE REWRITE IS PROBABLY THE BETTER FORUM TO DISCUSS. >> Chair Dow: COISSIONER RATLIFF. >> Ratliff: I WAS GOING TO BRING THAT UP, BECAUSE THERE ARE SEVERAL RESTAURANTS I GO TO NOW THAT HAVE RESERVED PARKING FOR UBER EATS AND OTHER PICKUP -- FOR SERVICES, WHICH IS TAKING OUT OF THE REQUIRED PARKING FOR PEOPLE THAT WANT TO EAT THERE. I SEE THIS NO DIFFERENT. IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT VEHICLE FOR DELIVERING THAT CHICKEN OR ICE CREAM THAN THE CAR THAT SHOWS UP WITH THE DRIVER THAT HAS A RESERVED PARKING PLACE. AND SO TO ME, IT'S A NET ZERO EFFECT ON PARKING. I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM AT ALL PUTTING IT, AS LONG AS IT'S ONE DRONE -- NO LESS THAN ONE DRONE PER PARKING SPACE. I HEARD ONE OF Y'ALL SAY YOU COULD PUT THREE IN ONE PLACE. THAT'S A NET GAIN OF PARKING BECAUSE I'VE GOT THREE CUSTOMERS BEING SERVED OUT OF ONE PARKING SPACE AS OPPOSED TO ONE CUSTOMER BEING SERVED OUT OF ONE PARKING SPACE. AND SO I SEE THIS AS A POSITIVE TO THE PARKING AS OPPOSED TO A NEGATIVE. SO I GUESS MY POINT IS I DON&-úG THEM USE THE REQUIRED PARKING UP TO A PERCENTAGE. I THINK 5% IS TOO LOW. IT MIGHT BE 10 OR 15%, BECAUSE IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN AN UBER EATS DRIVER. >> Chair Downs: SO LET'S WORK THROUGH THE NEXT QUESTION HERE. I SEE LOTS OF STUFF ON. I'M JUST TRYING TO KEEP US MOVING THROUGH THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE IN FRONT OF US. IS THE 150-FOOT SETBACK FROM SENSITIVE LAND USE APPROPRIATE? GOOD? >> YES. >> Chair Downs: YES? >> [ OFF MIC ] >> IT'S GOING TO BE 20-FOOT OFF THE GR GROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD,O WHY -- I GUESS IT'S GOING TO BE MORE OFTEN FROM WHERE IT'S TAKING OFF. >> Chair Downs: IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE MORE. YOU MAY HAVE TWO OR THREE OF THEM RUNNING AT ONCE. >> THE SETBACK WOULD BE FROM THE DESIGNATED TAKEOFF AND LANDING AREA. SO SOMEWHERE ON THE SITE PLAN THAT IS DESIGNATED THIS IS WHERE THE LANDING PADS ARE. IT'S NOT FROM THE AIRCRAFT TO A USE, BECAUSE WE CAN'T REGULATE THE AIRCRAFT ITSELF. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST THE SPOT WHERE IT HITS THE >> TO ME IT DEPENDS ON HOW PROXIMATE IT IS TO RESIDENTIAL. AND IF WE'RE IN A BUSINESS SETTING, YOU KNOW, A COMMERCIAL PLACE, MAYBE IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT MUCH. BUT 50 YARDS AWAY FROM A RESIDENTIAL -- BACK TO WHOEVER WAS TALKING ABOUT THE LEAF BLOWERS, SEEMS A LITTLE CLOSE TO ME, REALLY. ESPECIALLY IF THOSE THINGS ARE GOING TO BE JUST COMING IN AND OUT. YEAH, 150 FEET, WHICH IS 50 YARDS, RIGHT? YEAH. SO -- OR 150 FEET. IT SEEMS A LITTLE CLOSE TO ME. IF IT'S ANYWHERE NEAR A RESIDENTIAL, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE PUSHED BACK. THAT'S MY OPINION. >> Chair Downs: IS EVERYBODY ELSE OKAY WITH 150? MR. BROUNOFF. >> Brounoff: I'M THINKING THERE ARE, IN THE RETAIL AREA WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING, IT SAYS AN ACCESSORY USE, 150 FEET MAYBE TOO MUCH BECAUSE THEY MAY NOT HAVE AVAILABLE 150 FEET TO SEPARATE THE LANDG PE NEIGHBORS. SO WITH RESPECT TO THE ACCESSORY USE, I'M THINKING SOMETHING SMALLER THAN 150 FEET. >> Chair Downs: WELL, JUST LOOKING AT THE NOISE OF IT, 50 FEET, WHERE IT'S 75 DBA -- AND I HATE TO CIRCLE BACK TO OUR NOISE LIMITATIONS ON OUR DISCUSSIONS RECENTLY. IT'S GETTING KIND OF LOUD. BUT AS WAS POINTED OUT, I MEAN, THE DRONE'S GOING TO COME DOWN. AGAIN, AT A NEST -- USE YOUR WORD -- IT COULD BE A LITTLE NOISIER BECAUSE YOU MAY HAVE MORE THAN ONE GOING. LET'S START WITH 150 FEET. EVERYBODY OKAY WITH US STARTING THERE? >> WE CAN START THERE AND ADJUST. >> Chair Downs: 5% OF THE TOTAL SITE. IS THAT GOOD OR DO WE NEED MORE OR LESS? >> IT'S A STARTING POINT. >> I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE 10. >> Lisle: I'D LOVE TO HEAR ONE OF THE THINGS OPERATE. CAN WE FLY ONE? CAN WE GO TO THE PARKING LOT? LIKE, I GUESS I COULD GO TO SOMEWHERE IN FRISCO AND STAND THERE AND LISTEN TO IT, RIGHT? MAYBE I CAN GET AN ADDRESS. >> I'LL GO WITH YOU. >> Tong: I KNOW THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PARKING SPOTS DESIGNATED TO A CERTAIN USE OF THE LAND OR TYPE OF BUSINESS BASED ON THE PRIOR STUDIES OF HOW MANY PARKING -- WHAT THE TRAFFIC LOOKS LIKE. SO RIGHT NOW I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY DATA THAT SUPPORTS OR EVEN ANY ANALYSIS ON USING THE DRONE, HOW MUCH TRAFFIC IT WILL REDUCE TO THE CERTAIN RETAIL STORE OR FRONTS. SO HOW MANY PARKING SPOTS CAN BE USED FOR THIS. BECAUSE LIKE OUR CHAIRMAN SAID EARLIER, MOST OF OUR RETAIL SPOTS, WHEN THEY WERE BUILT, THEY BUILT AS MUCH AS THEY CAN AND LEAVE JUST A MINIMAL-REQUIRED PARKING SPOT SO USUALLY, USUALLY THEY ALREADY HAVE THE PARKING SPOT TO THE MINIMAL. >> Chair Downs: THEY WERE MINIMAL TO OUR STANDARDS BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN OUR STANDARDS DIDN'T REQUIRE MORE PARKING THAN WAS REALLY NECESSARY. AND THAT'S THE CHALLENGE THAT WE DEAL WITH. >> Tong: THAT 5%, I'M NOT SURE HOW WE GET TO THAT 5%. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S MORE OR LESS THAN NECESSARY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE STUDY TO SUPPORT THAT. >> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY IN SITUATIONS LIKE THIS, WE USUALLY PUT TOGETHER SOME OPTIONS FOR YOU AND SOME GRAPHICS. WE'LL SHOW YOU THIS IS A SITE. TH IS WHAT 150 LOOKS LIKE.. THIS IS WHAT THE PARKING IS CONSIDERED. WE'LL GIVE YOU SOME OPTIONS IN REAL LIFE TO SHOW YOU THE IMPACTS ON PROPERTIES AND GIVE YOU SOME SITUATIONS TO CONSIDER. >> Tong: THAT WOULD BE GREAT. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. HE SAID HE CAN GET THREE DRONES IN ONE PARKING SPOT, HE SAID 70x70. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH SPACE YOU GUYS TYPICALLY USE. IN THAT YOU HAVE SIX OR SEVEN SPOTS TAKEN UP. BUT THAT'S PROBABLY NOT MORE THAN 5% OF THE LOT. SO LET'S JUST START WITH 5 AND I THINK WE MIGHT WANT TOE MORE FLEXIBLE THAN THAT BUT WE'LL START WITH 5. AND THEN I THINK THAT'S AT GRADE, BUT ON THE ROOF WE CAN CERTAINLY GO HIGHER. YOU HAVE SOMETHING, A VARIANCE FROM THAT? >> Bronsky: I HAD A QUESTION, SINCE I KNOW THEY'RE IN FRISCO ALREADY. WHAT PERCENTAGE IS FRISCO USING? >> FRISCO IS AN INTERESTING CASE BECAUSE IT'S CURRENTLY A VACANT PROPERTY. THERE'S NOTHING DEVELOPED ON THE SITE, SO WING IS THE ONLY USER OF THAT SITE. IT IS A VERY LARGE SITE. I BELIEVE THEY'RE ON A FORMER HELIPAD THAT THEY'RE SET UP ON, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT PERCENT. >> Bronsky: THEY DON'T HAVE A REGULATION AROUND A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE USAGE? >> FRISCO IS USING WING AS A PILOT PROJECT. SO THEY HAVEN'T ADDED THE USE TO THEIR ORDINANCE BUT THEY'RE WORKING WITH WING TO FIGURE OUT HOW IT FITS WITHIN THEIR CITY. AS THE FRISCO STATION BUILDS OUT, THEY'LL POSSIBLY CONSIDER ADDING DRONE DELIVERY HUBS TO THEIR ORDINANCE WITH ASSOCIATED STANDARDS. >> Bronsky: WOULD THAT MAKE SENSE FOR US TO LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THAT AS WELL TO CONSIDER PILOT PROGRAMS BEFORE WE FULLY JUMP INTO FINALIZING THESE ORDINANCES LIKE THIS? >> Chair Downs: I THINK WE WILL ADJUST THE ORDINANCES BASED ON EXPERIENCE, ONCE WE HAVE THEM IN PLACE AND ACTUALLY THEY'RE BEING USED. BUT I THINK THE OPERATORS NEED SOME GUIDANCE TO START WITH. LET'S -- ARE THERE OTHER DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS? I DON'T KNOW. WE CAN PROBABLY THROW A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF OUT THERE. THE ONLY ONE I'M REALLY LOOKING AT HERE IS WE TALKED ABOUT ACCESSORY USE OR AS A PRIMARY USE IN THOSE CERTAIN DISTRICTS. I THINK IT WAS WORTH KIND OF DIS. IS THERE -- COULD THIS USE BE ALLOWED IN AN AREA THAT IS CONSIDERED PART OF A FLOODPLAIN, FOR EXAMPLE? BECAUSE MAYBE YOU USE IT. IT'S ALLOWED AS A PRIMARY USE IN AN AREA THAT WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED FOR BUILDING SOMETHING, RIGHT, A BUILDING OR AN OCCUPIED RESIDENCE OR ANYTHING ELSE. BUT THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD USE FOR SOME OF THIS LAND. >> THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS TO PAVING AND OTHER IMPROVEMENTS THAT MAY BE IMPACTED BY THESE USES. POWER PADS,HINGS LIKE THAT THAT ARE NEEDED. WE CAN LOOK THAT UP. PROBABLY JUST THINKING ABOUT KEEPING IT OUT OF THE FLOODPLAINS. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. JUST TRYING TO THINK HOW DO WE BE FLEXIBLE. WHAT'S THE NEXT PAGE? >> THE NEXT PAGE WE GO TO HELICOPTERS. >> Chair Downs: I DON'T KNOW. DIRECTION. MR. RATLIFF. >> Ratliff: I LIKE THEIR PROPOSED AMENDMENTS. I THOUGHT THEY WERE RIGHT ON TARGET. >> Chair Downs: I DID TOO. YES? GOOD? OTHER RELATED ISSUES THAT WE WANT FURTHER RESEARCH ON? I'M GLAD TO HEAR YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE US SOME REAL-LIFE EXAMPLES, ASSUMING IT WILL MAKE IT EASY FOR US TO SAY THIS IS HOW IT WORKS. NEXT PAGE. >> THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. SO WE'VE DONE THE FIRST PART. WE'VE DONE THE SECOND PART. NOW -- >> I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT >> SECOND. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. I GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKY WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER OLLEY. WELL, I WAS LOOKING AT HIM WHEN HE SAID SECOND. WE GOT COMMISSIONER OLLEY WITH A SECOND ON THIS TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING. PLEASE VOTE. >> [OFF MIC] >> Chair Downs: ALL RIGHT. SHOW OF HANDS. THAT'S 8-0. THIS IS -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS. OH, IT'S 9:00 ALREADY. OKAY. THANK YOU, GUYS FOR HANGING OUT AND I'M SURE YOU'LL BE BACK. ALL RIGHT. HOW'S EVERYBODY DOING? DO WE NEED A BREAK? ANYONE? NOPE? LET'S GO BACK TO PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS AND TRY TO GET THROUGH THOSE. THERE'S STILL A LOT OF PEOPLE SITTING IN THE CHAMBERS. >> AGENDA ITEM NO. 7. PUBLIC HEARING: COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT 2023-002 - PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERION AMDMENTS TO THE PARKS MASTER PLAN MAP, BICYCLE TRANSPORTATIO PLAN MAP, AND FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ASSOCIATED WITH THE 2023 UPDATE OF THE PARKS, RECREATION TRAILS AND OPEN SPACE MASTER PL APPLICANT: CITY OF PLANO. THIS IS FOR LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATIO. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSION. MY NAME IS MARY, PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THIS ITEM IS A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM TO CONSIDER AMENDMENTS TO THE PARKS MASTER PLAN MAP, THE BICYCLE TRANSPORTATION PLAN MAP, AND FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN 2021 . THESE AMENDMENTS ARE DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED WITH THE 2023 UPDATE OF THE PARKS MASTER PLAN. THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT IS UPDATING THE CITY'S PARKS, RECREATION, TRAILS, AND OPEN SPACE MASTER PLAN, ALSO KNOWN AS THE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN. THIS DOCUMENIS THE DEPARTMENT'S LONG-TERM ACTION PLAN THAT PROVIDES GUIDANCE TO THE DEPARTMENT, ESTABLISHES GOALS AND RECOMMENDATIONS, AND IDENTIFIES NEEDS RELATED TO BOTH EXISTING AND FUTURE FACILITIES. THE LAST MAJOR UPDATE WAS ADOPTED IN 2018 AND THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT ENGAGED HAFF ASSOCIATES IN EARLY 2022 TO SUPPORT THE DEPARTMENT WITH ITS CURRENT UPDATE. ACTION 1 OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN'S PARKS AND RECREATION POLICY IS TO IMPLEMENT THE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN AND UPDATE THE PLAN EVERY FIVE YEARS. THE CURRENT UPDATE IS IN LINE WITH THAT FIVE-YEAR UPDATE. JUST WANTED TO KIND OF PROVIDE YOU WITH A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF KIND OF WHERE WE'VE BEEN AND WHERE WE ARE. ON APRIL 3 WE PRESENTED TO THIS COMMISSION AND REQUESTED A CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. DURING THE MONTHS OF APRIL AND MAY, A DRAFT OF THE PARKS MASTER PLAN WAS AVAILABLE ONLINE FOR PUBLIC REVIEW AND COMMENT. THOSE COMMENTS WERE INCORPORATED AND A FINAL DRAFT IS AVAILABLE ONLINE AT THIS TIME. ON MAY 15 THIS COMMISSION WAS BRIEFED BY THE PARK STAFF AND THEIR CONSULTANT REGARDING THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE PARKS MASTER PLAN MAP OR PLAN. THIS EVENING WE ARE BEFORE YOU FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING PUBLIC HEARING IN CONSIDERATION OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE PARKS MASTER PLAN M. THE BICYCLE PLAN MAP AND FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF COMPREHENSIVE PLAN 2021. A CITY COUNCIL PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM IS ANTICIPATED SO I'LL GO THROUGH THE THREE MAPS THAT ARE PROPOSED TO BE UPDATED AND THEN BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. JUST WANTED TO ALSO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT STAFF IS HERE THIS EVENING TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL. THE PARKS MASTER PLAN MAP ON THE SCREEN SHOWS OR OUTLINES EACH OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES. THE MAJOR CHANGES TO THE PARKS MASTER PLAN MAP INCLUDE CHANGES TO TRAILS, AND THIS INCLUDES NEWLY-PROPOSED TRAILS, TRAILS THAT HAVE BEEN REALIGNED, AND TRAIL CONNECTIONS AND EXTENSIONS THAT HAVE BEEN REMOVED. ANOTHER MAJOR CHANGE IS TO THE PROPOSED PARKS. THIS INCLUDES THE ADDITION OF NEW PROPOSED PARKS TO THE MAP AND THE ADJUSTMENT OF BOUNDARIES OF PROPOSED PARKS RRENTLY ON THE MAP. ANOTHER MAJOR CHANGE IS AN UPDATE TO EXISTING PARK BOUNDARIES ON THE T MAP. AND LASTLY, THE ADDITION OF PRIVATE OPEN SPACE. AS MENTIONED, THESE PDATES ARE REFLECTED ON THE MAP ON THE SCREEN AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE LOCATION AND WHAT THOSE CHANGES ARE. THERE ARE A TOTAL OF 17 UPDATES PROPOSED TO THE PARKS MASTER PLAN MAP. HERE YOU CAN SEE THE CLEAN FINAL DRAFT OF THE PAR MAER PLAN MAP THAT IS TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. NEXT WE HAVE THE BICYCLE TRANSPORTATION PLAN MAP. ONCE AGAIN, YOU HAVE THE MAP THAT OUTLINES ALL OF THE CHANGES THAT ARE PROPOSED AND THE LOCATION. THE MAJOR CHANGES TO THE BICYCLE TRANSPORTATION MAP INCLUDE THE ADDITION OR RELOCATION OF PROPOSED SHARED-USE PATHS. ADDITIONAL ON-STREET BIKE ROUTES,ND T ADDION OF BIKE LANES AND CYCLE TRACKS. THOSE UPDATES ARE REFLECTED ON THE MAP SHOWN AND THERE ARE 19 UPDATES PROPOSED TO THE BICYCLE TRANSPORTATION PLAN MAP. HERE IS THE CLEAN VERSION OF THE FINAL DRAFT THAT WOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. LASTLY, WE HAVE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. ONCE AGAIN, THE MAP SHOWS THE LOCATION OF THE CHANGES THAT ARE PROPOSED AND THE MAJOR CHANGES TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP INCLUDE CORRESPONDING CHANGES TO NEW PROPOSED PARKS. SO THIS INCLUDES VARIOUS LOCATIONS ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP THAT WERE UPDATED TO MATCH THE LOCATION OF NEW PROPOSED PARKS ON THE PARKS MASTER PLAN MAP. SECONDLY THERE'S CORRESPONDING CHANGES FOR PARK BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENTS. THIS INCLUDES THE ADJUSTMENT OF THE EXISTING OPEN SPACE NETWORK BOUNDARIES TO MATCH CORRESPONDING ADJUSTMENTS ON THE PARKS MASTER PLAN MAP. AND THERE WERE A FEW OTHER CHANGES THAT WERE MADE TO MATCH EXISTING CONDITIONS. THESE UPDATES ARE REFLECTED ON THE MAP SHOWN ON THE SCREEN AND THERE ARE A TOTAL OF 13 UPDATES PROPOSED TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. THIS IS THE CLEAN FINAL DRAFT THAT WOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE CINTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THIS SUMMARY TABLE HERE DENOTES CHANGES TO EACH OF THE MAPS AND HOW THEY CORRESPOND TO ONE ANOTHER. I WANTED TO NOTE THAT ALL CHANGES ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP CORRESPOND DIRECTLY TO THE CHANGES PROPOSED IN THE PARKS MASTER PLAN UPDATE AND ITS RESPECTIVE MAPS. THE AMENDMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN 2021 WILL INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING THREE MAPS AS SHOWN. THIS INCLUDES THE PARKS MASTER PLAN MAP, THE BICYCLE TRANSPORTATION PLAN MAP, AND THE FUTURELAND USE MAP. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE COMMISSION APPROVE THE AMENDMENTS TO THE PARKS MASTER PLAN MAP, BICYCLE TRANSPORTATION PLAN MAP, FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN 2021 ASSOCIATED WITH THE 2023 UPDATE OF THE PARKS, RECREATION, TRAILS, AND OPEN SPACE MASTER PLAN AS SUBMITTED. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND THEN PLANNING AND PARK STAFF AREVAILABLE ATHIS ME TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF FIRST? MR. BRONSKY. >> Bronsky: MY FIRST QUESTION I'D LIKE TO ASK MR. BELL. THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE SEEING FROM THE FUTURE LAND USE PERSPECTIVE. HAS YOUR DEPARTMENT LOOKED INTO THAT AS IT RELATES TO THE IMPACT IT WOULD HAVE ON MIX OF USE CALCULATIONS? >>ES, HAVE. AS Y'ALL ARE AWARE, THE CALCULATIONS FOR MIX OF USES ARE MEASURED BY THE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES. SO HOW MUCH HOUSING OR EMPLOYMENT IS SUPPORTED IN AN AREA, THOSE ARE BASED ON PERCENTAGES OF LAND. WE HAVE LOOKED AT THAT. THE SHORT ANSWER IS, NO, THERE'S NOT ANY SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES. TECHNICALLY YES THEY WILL CHANGE THE NUMBERS VERY SLIGHTLY BUT IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS IT'S LESS OF A TENTH OF A PERCENT. VERY MINUTE CHANGES. IT DOESN'T ULTIMATELY AFFECT HOUSING. >> Bronsky I REALLY APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU GUYS ARE PROACTIVE IN LOOKING AT THAT . REPRESENTATIVE OF EVERYTHING THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT COMMITTED TO THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROCESS. I'M VERY EXCITED. I'VE LOOKED AT THIS AND I PERSONALLY THINK THE ADOPTION OF ALL OF THIS INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS GOING TO BE NOTHING BUT A POSITIVE ENHANCEMENT TO ALL CITIZENS LIVING IN PLANO. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. MR. BROUNOFF. >> Brounoff: MY SPEAKER BUTTON IS NOT WORKING. MY VOTING YES BUTTON IS NOT WORKING. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE VOTE NO BUTTON. I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO USE IT YET. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YOUR TALK BUTTON IS WORKING. >> Brounoff: THAT'S WORKING. >> Chair Downs: MR. BRONSKY, DO YOU STILL WANT TO SPEAK? OKAY. MR. OLLEY. >> Olley: QUICK QUESTION ON THE BICYCLE TRANSPORTATION PLAN MAP. THE PROPOSED REGIONAL BICYCLE NETWORK, DOES THAT TIE INTO THE TRANSIT AREA IN DEVELOPMENT? OR AM I READING THAT WRONG? >> YES. SO ONE EMPLE IS THE DART SILVER LINE HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL. THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION, PARTIALLY CONSTRUCTED RIGHT NOW. THOSE WILL TIE INTO THE PROPOSED DART SILVER LINE 12th STREET AND SHILOH ROAD STATIONS. THERE ARE OTHER BIKE NETWORKS. THERE IS A REGIONAL PLAN FROM THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS FOR REGIONAL BIKE TRAILS, AND THOSE ARE DE DENOTED ON THE PARKS MASTER PLAN MAP AND THE BICYCLE MAP. >> Olley: I TRIED TO SEE IF COULD USE THE BICYCLE NETWORK AND GET FROM ONE END TO THE OTHER OF PLANO. I WOULD SAY I WAS 90% SUCCESSFUL BUT ARE THERE GAPS THAT WE AIM TO FILL IN? THERE SEEMS TO BE A BIT OF A GAP COMING FROM THIS END TO THE TOP. IS THAT -- >> I WOULD LIKE TO DEFER THAT QUESTION TO THE PARK STAFF. >> GOOD ENING, COMMISSIONS. MY NAME IS RENEE JORDAN, I'M THE PARK PLANNING MANAGER. COULD YOU ASK YOUR QUESTION AGAIN. >> Olley: YEAH, USING THE BIKE NETWORK, IS IT A SAFE ASSUMPTION TO SAY THAT IF I WANTED TO GET FROM ONE END OF PLANO TO ANOTHER, TYING IN THE BIKE NETWORK AND OUR TRANSPORTATION MAP, WOULD I BE ABLE TO DO THAT? >> YES. SO WE HAVE ABOUT 154 MILES OF -STREET BIKE RTE. THOSE ON-STREET BIKE ROUTES ARE REPRESENTED IN THE BLUE ON THE MAP. THOSE OCCUR ON GENERALLY LOWER-VOLUME ROADS. AND THAT PLUGS INTO OUR TRAIL NETWORK, WHICH IS REPRESENTED BY THE SOLID RED. SO AND OUR TRAIL NETWORK IS CLOSE TO 100 MILES. SO BETWEEN THE TWO, YOU CAN MAKE A COMPLETE TRIP. >> Olley: GOTCHA. OKAY. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. MR. BROUNOFF. >> Brounoff: THIS IS MY SPEAKER BUTTON. I SEE ON PAGE 2 OF 8 OF THIS ITEM. YEAH, PAGE 70 OF OUR PACKET. THE PARKS AND RECREATION PLANNING BOARD ON MAY 2 RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE& PARKS RECREATION TRAILS AND OPEN SPACE MASTER PLAN BY A UNANIMOUS VOTE. THESE PLANS OBVIOUSLY REPRESENT A LOT OF WORK BY THE PARKS AND RECREATION STAFF AND OVERVIEW BY THE PARKS AND RECREATION PLANNING BOARD. I THINK THEY ARE -- IT'S THEIR JOB TO BE CONVERSANT WITH THE DETAILS OF A PLAN SUCH AS THIS. I AM PREPARED TO RESPECT THEIR WORK THAT'S GONE INTO IT WITHOUT OUR TRYING TO REINVENT THE WHEEL THAT THEY HAVE ALREADY INVENTED FOR US. WE HAVE TO UPDATE THESE PLANS EVERY FIVE YEARS AND I THINK, BASED ON THAT, THIS IS A POSITIVE DEVELOPMENT FOR THE >> Cha Downs: GLAD TO HEART. THAT. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM SO DO WE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? COMMENT? NO? OKAY. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? >> NO, WE DO NOT. >> Chair Downs: NOW I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE PREPARING TO DO? >> I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NO. 7. >> SECOND. >> SECOND. >> Chair Downs: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONERS BRONSKY, CARY -- WE'LL GIVE IT TO COMMISSIONER CARY . LET'S TRY TO PLEASE VOTE. LET'S SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING. OKAY. IT'S NOT WORKING. SO HAND VOTE. WE HAVE A UNANIMOUS 8-0. THANK YOU TO THE PARK STAFF. GREAT JOB, GUYS. WE HAVE THE BEST PARK SYSTEM IN THE STATE OF TEXAS AND IN THE TOP TEN IN THE U.S., I THINK. GREAT JOB. APPRECIATE YOU. ALL RIGHT. >> AGENDA ITEM NO. 8. PUBLIC H& COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT 2023-003 - REQUEST TO AMEND THE FACILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE POLICY OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLA 2021 TO INCORPORATE ONGOING DEPARTMENT-SPECIFIC STRATEGIES AND MORE PRACTICAL GUIDANCE. APPLICANT: CITY OF PLANO. THIS IS FOR LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATIO. >> THANK YOU, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. UNLIKE WHAT THE SLIDE SAYS, I AM NOT EVAN GARCIA. I'M MIKE BELL. EVAN HAD TO LEAVE EARLY SO I'LL BE GIVING THIS PRESENTATION. BEAR WITH ME. HE PRACTICED IT. I DID NOT. THIS IS AN AMENDMENT RELATED TO THE FACILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE POLICY. THESE CHANGES ARE REALLY TARGETED AT THE CIP AND THIS COMMISSION'S ROLE IN REVIEWING THE CIP FOR CONFORMANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THAT'S WHAT THOSE CHANGES ARE TARGETED TOWARDS. THIS IS CURRENTLY THE FACILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE POLICY LISTED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT SPEAKS TO THE PLANO STRATEGIC PLAN TO ENSURE THE NECESSARY NEEDS AND SERVICES ARE PROVIDED TO THE COMMUNITY. UNDER THAT ARE A SERIES OF ACTIONS THAT WE'LL BE PROPOSING TO EDIT. AS A CITY -- FOR MOST OF THESE IN THEIR FAST-GROWING STAGES, THE CIP IS USED TO FILL IN THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN MAP, THE PARKS MAP THAT YOU JUST SAW, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BUILDING NEW ROADS AND INFRASTRUCTURE IN CONFORMANCE WITH THOSE MAPS. WHEN YOU REACH MORE MATURITY, IT'S LESS ABOUT FOLLOWING THE MAPS AND MORE ABOUT REDEVELOPMENT MAINTENANCE AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE KEEPING THOSE FACILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE IN GOOD OPERATING CONDITION. WE REALLY NEED A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT LOOKS AT IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. AS YOU KNOW THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION LOOKS AT THE CIP EVERY YEAR IN AUGUST. STAFF PRESENT AN ANALYSIS TO ALIGNS WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BUT THERE'S NOT A STRONG LINKAGE. WHAT YOU'LL BE SEEING IN THE NEXT SLIDES ARE COMMON-SENSE ADDITIONS. INSTEAD OF GIVING YOU A BROAD ANALYSIS, WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT PRIORITIES AND WHAT THE CIP SHOULD BE ADDRESSING. AND HOPEFULLY THROUGH THAT WE ARE AE TO INCORPORATE THE DEPARTMENT-SPECIFIC STRATEGIES, MORE PRACTICAL GUIDANCE, AND TRANSPARENCY IN HOW THE DOLLARS ARE MEETING THOSE NEEDS. SO THE FIRST IS WE WILL MAKE A MINOR CHANGE TO THE POLICY STATEMENTS. THAT'S SIMPLY TO ADD THE WORD "ASSETS." THERE ARE SOME THINGS, FACILITIES INFRASTRUCTURE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT, INFRASTRUCTURE. WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE AN ALL-ENCOMPASSING WORD. WE HAVE FOUR NEW ACTIONS. WE HAVE AN ACTION THAT'S SLIGHTLY MODIFIEDND FOUR ACTIONS THAT WILL STAY EXACTLY AS THEY ARE TODAY. THE FIRST IS FI4, WHICH IS THE FIRST TWO ARE ABOUT INTERNAL PROCESSES. WE WILL BE MAINTAINING AN ASSET MANAGEMENT SYSTEM THAT LOCATES, PROVIDES CONDITION AND ANTICIPATES THE LIFE SPAN OF THESE FACILITIES. WE HAVE THAT PROGRAM THROUGH CARTOGRAPH. IT'S REALLY AMAZING SOFTWARE AND IT GIVES US GREAT DATA AND INSIGHTS THAT WE CAN PAIR WITH PERSONAL EXPERTISE TO KEEP A GOOD HANDLE ON WHERE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS. NEXT WE'LL USE THAT DATA AND WE CAN USE IT IN A NUMBER OF WAYS. FIRST TO STRATEGICALLY PLAN FOR PROACTIVE MAINTENANCE OF THOSE RESOURCES. WE CAN USE THAT ALSO TO ASSESS OUR FUTURE NEEDS IN THE GROWTH AND REDEVELOPMENT LOCATIONS. WE CAN DEVELOP LONG-TERM STRATEGIC PLANS AND DOCUMENTS THAT WILL BE UNDERPINNED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THIRD IS SOMETHING WE HAVE BEEN DOING ALL ALONG FOR DECADES. WE'RE JUST ADDING IT BACK INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND THAT IS PREPARING A CIP AND ADOPTING THE FIRSTEAR AS PART O THENNUAL BUDGET. THAT WAS A LONG-STANDING ACTION FOR MANY DECADES. IT WAS REMOVED IN 2015. WE'RE PROPOSING TO PUT SIMILAR LANGUAGE BACK IN AT THIS TIME. AND THE NEXT ACTION IS REALLY WHERE ALL THE MEAT IS. THIS IS WHERE YOU COME IN AS A COMMISSION IN REVIEWING THAT FIVE-YEAR CIP EVERY YEAR. THIS IS GOING TO HELP GIVE THE COMMISSION ADDITIONAL GUIDANCE ON WHAT TO LOOK FOR. WE HAVE ADDED SUBBULLETS. FIRST WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE'RE MEETING ANY INADEQUACIES. SECOND IS WE WANTO PROVIDE PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE THAT WE'RE NOT SPENDING EXTRA MONEY DOWN THE LINE. THIRD, WE'RE CONSTRUCTING ASPECTS OF THOSE MAPS THAT ARE INCOMPLETE. A FEW LOCATIONS WHERE NOT ALL THE ROADS AND FACILITIES ARE THERE YET. THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER CRITERI YOU COULD LOOK AT. THE NEXT FOUR IS THAT IT'S PROMOTING A STRATEGIC OBJECTIVE OF ANY PLAN THAT YOU JUST SAW. E THERE IS THAT IT PROMOTES ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OBJECTIVES. F IS THAT IT IMPROVES TECHNOLOGY IMPROVEMENTS AND SUPPORT CITY FALITIES A OPERATIONS. THERE ARE TECH ASPECTS OF WHAT'S ADOPTED BY THE CIP EVERY YEAR. AND THEN LASTLY WHERE WE CAN COORDINATE PUBLIC INVESTMENT WITH PRIVATE INVESTMENT IN THOSE GROWTH AND REDEVELOPMENT LOCATIONS. AND THEN BEYOND JUST THAT, THE CITY DOES HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY WHEN WE'RE PREPARING THE CIP TO LOOK AT HOW IT AFFECTS THE CITY AS A WHOLE. CONSIDERING THE CONDITIONS, IS IT DISTRIBUTED EQUITABLY, ARE WE CONSIDERING ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, LONG-TERM RESILIENCY AND SUSTAINABILITY, HEALTH AND SAFETY BENEFITS TO THE COMMUNITY AND COST-EFFECTIVENESS. PUT ALLHOSE IN A PILE. ARE WE MEETING THOSE GOALS. THE LAST FOUR ARE EXISTING ACTIONS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I WON'T COVER THOSE BUT THOSE ARE MORE OPERATION RELATED. AND THAT'S THE CONCLUSION OF MY PRESENTATION. STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THESE AMENDMENTS. I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION THAT -- AND I'M NOT SURE IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE EDITED IN HERE. BUT JUST READING ITEM 9. WORK WITH PRIVATE UTILITY PROVIDERS TO MAKE SURE POLICIES CAN ACCOMMODATE INNOVATIVE SERVICES TECHNOLOGIES . I'M NOT SURE THIS REALLY FALLS INTO THAT CATEGORY, BUT IN CERTAIN AREAS OF THE CITY YOU MAY HAVE ONLY ACCESS TO ONE INTERNET PROVIDER, FOR EXAMPLE. OR YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD AND THERE'S A TELEPHONE POLE THAT'S HANGING WAY OUT OVER THE STREET. I THINK I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN KNOWING WHAT IF ANY LEVERAGE DOES THE CITY HAVE OR ANYWHERE IN OUR ACTIONS DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO WORK HARDE TO PROVIDE MORE OPTIONS TO THE COMMUNITY AND WHETHER IT BE INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDERS OR CABLE OR WHATEVER IT IS. AND, AGAIN, THAT'S PROBABLY MORE AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL BUT I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN KNOWING THAT. BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE IN A CITY LIKE OURS THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE MULTIPLE OPTIONS. AND THERE'S AREAS OF THE CITY WHERE YOU DON'T. YOU GOT ONE CHOICE FOR INTERNET. THAT'S IT. AND IT JUST SEEMS ODD THAT WE FIND OURSELVES IN THAT POSITION. WHEN I'M LOOKING AT OUR FACILITIES INFRASTRUCTURE AND EVERYTHING ELSE, I'M THINKING ABOUT WHAT'S PROVIDED TO THE ENTIRE CITY, NOT JUST TO THE OPERATION SIDE, BUT TO THE CITIZENS AS A WHOLE. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I GUESS THAT WAS MORE OF A STATEMENT THAN A QUESTION. COMMISSIONER TONG. >> Tong: MY SPEAKER BUTTON ALSO DOESN'T WORK. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. MAYBE I MISSED IT SO PARDON ME FOR ASKING THIS. WHICH YEAR ARE WE IN THAT FIVE-YEAR DURATION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? ARE WE IN THE FIFTH YEAR OF THIS? >> EVERY YEAR WE ADOPT THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. >> Tong: OH. >> BUT THE FIRST YEAR IS PART OF THE CITY'S BUDGET FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR. SO THE NEXT YEAR WE COME AROUND IN THE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. CONTINUALLY LOOKING FIVE YEARS OUT. >> Tong: WE'RE NOT DOING FIVE AND FIVE. IT'S ROLLING FIVE YEARS. GOT YOU. GOT YOU. THANK YOU. I HAD A SECOND QUESTION. IT WILL COME BACK TO ME. >> Chair Downs: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO? MR. LISLE. >> Lisle: ON F, 14. CAN YOU GO THERE? THERE WAS A, B, AND C. WHO DETERMINES THE ORDER THAT THOSE GET CARRIED OUT IN? I KNOW WE'VE GOT A THOROUGHFARE PLAN COMING AND I NOTICED THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN MAP IS DOWN THERE. SO LIKE CONSTRUCT ASPECTS OF THAT. WHAT BODY DETERMINES THE ORDER OF A, B, AND C HERE? >> SO THESE ARE NOT LISTED IN ANY PRIORITY ORDER. IT'S INTENDED FOR GUIDANCE TO THE COMMISSION AND COUNCIL TO WEIGH THO OPTIONS EACH YEAR. >> Lisle: THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: MR. BROUNOFF. >> Tong: SORRY. MY SECOND QUESTION CAME BACK TO ME. I WANTED TO PIGGYBACK ON THE CHAIRMAN'S QUESTION REGARDING THE COVERAGE, LIKE INTERNET OR WI-FI. I KNOW IN EUROPE, YOU KNOW, THE ENTIRE CONTINENT THEY HAVE WI-FI COVERAGE. IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY -- OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO TO SAY THAT IN OUR CITY WE CAN COVER AN ENTIRE CITY WITH THE WI-FI NETWORK? >> WE DO HAVE A DEPARTMENT OF GOVERNMENTAL RELATIONS THAT WORK WITH UTILITY PROVIDERS TO LOOK AT OPTIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ROLE IS OR HOW MUCH THEY CAN REALLY REQUEST SERVICES BE PROVIDED. BUT WE DO HAVE A DEPARTMENT THAT DOES LOOK INTO THOSE SITUATIONS. >> Tong: WHICH DEPARTMENT IS THAT? >> GOVERNMENTAL RELATIONS. >> Tong: GOTCHA. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: MR. BROUNOFF. >> Brounoff: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. WHAT IF THE CHAIRMAN'S SUGGESTION, FOR EXAMPLE, WHY DO WE ONLY HAVE ONE INTNET PROVIDER IN CERTAIN PARTS OF THE CITY HAD NOT COME FROM THE CHAIR OF THE PLANNING AND SIXTH BUT HAD COME FROM JOHN SMITH, PRIVATE CITIZEN? THIS PLAN SEEMS TO DEAL WITH A BROAD, MACRO VIEW OF GENERAL OVERARCHING POLICIES. I'M WONDERING IF IT INCLUDES AN INSTITUTIONALIZED METHOD OF RESPONDING TO THE CITIZENS WHO MAY POINT OUT NEEDS TO THE CITY IN THEIR PRIVATE CAPACITY AND FOR THE CITY TO RESPOND TO THOSE REQUESTS. >> THIS PLAN DOES NOT. I'M CONFIDENT THERE IS A PROCESS IN PLACE. THEY DON'T COME T OUR DEPARTMENT DIRECTLY. IF WE GET QUESTIONS -- SAY THEY SEND AN E-MAIL TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN E-MAIL ADDRESS, WE ARE ABLE TO FORWARD THOSE AND THEY CAN SPECIFY MORE ABOUT THEIR PL PLANS FOR UTILITIES. THIS PLAN ITSELF DOES NOT ESTABLISH THAT FRAMEWORK. >> Brounoff: DO YOU THINK IT SHOULD? >> IF THAT NEEDS TO COME ABOUT, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS THE PLACE TO SET THE TO-DO LIST. WE COULD CERTAINLY ADD IT. >> Brounoff: THANK YOU. >>hairowns OKAY. THANK YOU. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? >> NO, WE DO NOT. >> Chair Downs: I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. MR. RATLIFF. >> Ratliff: I MOVE WE APPROVE THE REPORT AS PRESENTED. GREAT WORK BY THE STAFF. >> SECOND. >> Chair Downs: MOTION BY COMMISSIONER RATLIFF. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKY. HAND VOTE. THAT CARRIES 8-0. ALL RIGHT. SO NOW WE'RE MOVING ON TO NON-PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS AND WE WOULD GO TO ITEM 9. AGENDA ITEM NO. 9. DISCUSSION AND ACTION - REVISED CONVEYANCE PLAT, PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN, ND CONCEPT PLAN, AND CONSIDERATION TO WAIVE ONE OR MORE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE: CHALLENGER SCHOOL ADDITION, BLOCK A, LOTS AND 3 - OFFICE SHOWROOM/ WAREHOUSE ON TWO LOTS ON 33.3 ACRES LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF STATE HIGHWAY 121 AND GILLESPIE DRIVE. ZONED REGIONAL EMPLOYMENT AND REGIONAL COMMERCIAL AND LOCATED WITHIN THE STATE HIGHWAY 121 OVERLAY DISTRICT. APPLICANTS: 121 GILLESPIE, LLC AND INDE121 LEBANON LLC. THIS IS FOR LEGISLATIVE FOR THE COMMISSION'S CONSIDERATION OF VARIANCES. ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION FOR ALL OTHER COMMISSION APPROVALS. >> THANK YOU, MS. BRIDGES. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO DEVELOP AN OFFICE SHOWROOM WAREHOUSE ON THIS PROPERTY. THE ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIRES A SIX-FOOT TALL MASONRY WALL TO SCREEN THE REAR AND SERCE SIDES OF THE NON-RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS ORIENTED TOWARDS THE RESIDENTIAL USES. THIS PROPERTY IS SITUATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF A RESIDENTIAL USE WITH A FLOODPLAIN BUFFERING THESE TWO USES. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO UTILIZE THE EXISTING TREE CANOPY AS A SCREENING AND SUPPLEMENT THE EXISTING CANOPY TREE WITH 8-FOOT TALL EASTERN RED CEDAR TO ENSURE AN EFFECTIVE EVERGREEN SCREENING. AND ALSO THE APPLICANT WILL REQUIRE TO MAINTAIN THE TREES IN A HEALTHY CONDITION. WITH THAT, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REVISED CONVEYANCE PLAT PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN AND THE CONCEPT PLAN SUBJECT TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FINDING THAT A LIVING SCREENING WITH PLANT MATERIALS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING AND ENGINEERING DEPARTMENTS WILL PROVIDE BETTER SCREENING REQUIREMENT ALONG THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE AND SUBJECT TO FIRE DEPARTMENT APPROVAL OF A VARIANCE TO THE MAXIMUM 1,200-FO FIRE LANE REQUIREMENT. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? MR. BROUNOFF. >> [OFF MIC] >> CORRECT. >> Chair Downs: THE QUESTION WAS DOES RED CEDAR GROW INTO A SOLID SCREEN, AND THE ANSWER WAS YES. MR. OLLEY. >> Olley: JUST HAVE A QUESTION ON THE FIRE DEPARTMENT APPROVAL OF THE VARIANCE. CAN YOU EXPAND ON THAT? >> I WISH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS HERE BUT I GUESS MR. HILL CAN ELABORATE ON THAT. >> SURE. MS. POULADI, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN FIND THE SITE PLAN GRAPHIC. YES, IF YOU GO TO THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN. SO THIS IS THE PROPOSED PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN. YOU CAN SEE THE GRAY OUTLINE AROUND THE BUILDING IS THE FIRE LANE. IT'S A LONG FIRE LANE. FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS A MAXIMUM 1200-FOOT LENGTH FOR THEIR FIRE LANES WITHOUT A BREAK AND ANOTHER ACCESS POINT THAT CONNECTS IT. SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO THAT. FIRE DEPARTMENT CONSIDERS THINGS LIKE SPRINKLER SYSTEMS IN THE BUILDINGS, SPACING OF FIRE HYDRANTS AND OTHER OPTIONS WHETHER THEY WILL CONSIDER THAT VARIANCE. >> Olley: THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: MR. LISLE. >> Lisle: IS THERE A REQUIREMENT ON THE PLANTING DISTANCE BETWEEN THE EASTERN RED CEDARS OR IS IT JUST -- GO AHEAD. >> YES. SO WHEN THEY SUBMIT A LANDSCAPE PLAN, STAFF WILL REVIEW THE SPACING BETWEEN THE TREES AS WELL. AS YOU KNOW EASTERN RED CEDARS TEND TO HAVE A LARGER BASE. >> Lisle: IF THIS COMMISSION DETERMINED THAT THE EXISTING FLOODPLAIN AND THE EXISTING TREES THAT ARE THERE IS SUFFICIENT, CAN WE WAIVE IT COMPLETELY? I MEAN, I MEASURED IT AND IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S 120 FEET AT THE SMALLEST POINT BETWEEN A RESIDENTIAL LOT. THERE'S 120 FEET OF FLOODPLAIN WITH EXISTING SOLID TREES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE ESTABLISHED. AND SO I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF SAYING THAT WHAT IS THERE EXISTING IS SUFFICIENT. THERE'S NO REASON TO GO REQUIRE SOMEONE TO PLANT ANOTHER LAYER OF SHRUBS AND TREES. >> PLEASE NOTE THAT EASTERN RED CEDARS ARE EVERGREEN BUT THE CURRENT CANOPY CONSISTS OF BOTH DECIDUOUS AND EVERGREEN TREES. >> THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO DO A LANDSCAPE PLAN WITH A TREE SURVEY SO WE'LL REVIEW IT AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS SOLID AND EVERGREEN WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE. IF THERE ARE AREAS THAT NEED TO BE SUPPLEMENTED, THAT'S WHY WE ADDED THAT INFORMATION. BUT IF IT'S SOLID AND EVERGREEN WE DON'T REQUIRE THEM TO PLANT ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS. >> Lisle: IT'S POSSIBLE THAT ONCE THEY SHOW YOU WHAT'S THERE, THEY WON'T NEED ANYTHING. >> CORRECT. >> Chair Downs: ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. THIS IS A NON-PUBLIC HEARING ITEM. DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? >> THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. >> Chair Downs: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY. THANK YOU, MS. POULADI. ACTION. MR. BROUNOFF. >> Brounoff: I MOVE WE APPROVE ITEM 8 INCLUDING THE SUBSTITUTION OF A LIVING SCREEN FOR THE MASONRY WALL SUBJECT TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT APPROVAL OF A VARIANCE TO THE MAXIMUM 1200-FOOT FIRE LANE REQUIREMENT. >> SECOND. >> SECOND. >> Chair Downs: IT'S ITEM 9. SORRY. >> Brounoff: I AMEND MY MOTION TO REFER TO ITEM 9. >> Chair Downs: MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKY -- >> NO. >> Chair Downs: EXCUSE ME. BROUNOFF. GOOD LORD. IT'S A LONG NIGHT. I THINK I WANT TO CLARIFY THERE THAT THE LIVING SCREEN, IT'S GRANTING A WAIVER TO THE MASONRY SCREENING WALL REQUIREMENT. JUST SOMETHING A LITTLE MOR CLR TO THE RECOMMENDED SUBJECT TO AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER TONG. I'M SURE THAT'S CLEAR AS MUD, BUT WE APPROVE WHAT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDING. SHOULD WE TRY THEM? ALL RIGHT. TRY TO VOTE AND LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS. NOPE. HAND VOTE. ALL RIGHT. 8-0. SO WE'RE GOING TO SKIP THE VOTE SCREEN. NOW WE'RE MOVING ON TO ITEM 11, SINCE WE ALREADY COVERED 10. >> AGENDA ITEM NO. 11. DISCUSSION AND ACTION - CONVEYANCE PLAT, FINAL PLAT, AN REVISED SITE PLAN, AND CONSIDERATION OF SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE VARIANCES: ROWLETT CREEK REGIONAL WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, BLOCK 1, LOTS AND 2 - SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANT AND VACANT LOT ON TWO LOTS ON 26.6 ACRES LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF 14TH STREET AND LOS RIOS BOULEVARD. ZONED AGRICULTURAL WITH SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NO. 4 FOR SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANT. APPLICANT: NORTH TEXAS MUNIPAL WATER DISTR. AGAIN, THIS IS LEGISLATIVE FOR THE COMMISSIONERS' CONSIDERATION OF VARIANCE, ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION FOR ALL OTHER COMMISSION APPROVALS. >> THANK YOU, MS. BRIDGES. IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I TRIED TO READ THROUGH MY NOTES REALLY QUICKLY, SINCE I HAVE QUITE A LOT OF IT. THE PURPOSE OF THIS PROJECT IS TO ADD ANY OPERATIONS BUILDING ALONG THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE OF LOT 1 AND TO PROPOSE ADDITIONAL MECHANICAL AN OTHER SITE IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THE EXISTING BOUNDARIES OF THE TREATMENT PLANT. IN ADDITION, THE PURPOSE FOR THE FINAL PLAT AND CONVEYANCE PLAT IS TO DEDICATE EASEMENTS AS THIS PROPERTY WAS NEVER PLATTED. WITH THIS PROJECT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING NECESSARY VARIANCES FROM THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, ZONING ORDINANCE, AND THE STORMWATER DESIGN MANUAL. TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE SITE, CITY OF PLANO STARTED CONSTRUCTION OF THE SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANT ON LOT 1 IN 1959. IN 1975 PLANT INFRASTRUCTURE WAS SOLD TO NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT AND THE STRUCTURE ON LOT 2 WERE ADDED IN 1980 AS PART OF THE PLANT EXPANSION. IN 2019 CITY OF PLANO CONVEYED THE LAND TO NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT. DURING DISCUSSIONS OF LAND CONVEYANCE THE DISTRICT EXPRESSED A NEED T CONSTRUCT A NEW ONE-STORY OFFICE BUILDING ON THE CITY-OWNED LAND ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THE LOS RIOS BOULEVARD WITH NO ADDITIONAL TREATMENT UNITS BEING CONSTRUCTED ON THE PROPERTY. THEREFORE, IN 2021 THE APPLICANT REQUESTED TO EXPAND THE SPECIFIC-USE PERMIT NO. 4. HOWEVER, CITY COUNCIL DENIED THEIR REQUEST. IN SUMMARY, THE PLANT HAS UNDERGONE THREE SIGNIFICANT UPGRADES. HOWEVER, ACCORDING TO DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVES, THERE ARE NO PLANS TO INCREASE THE AVERAGE CAPACI OF THE PLANT AND THE PROPOSED CHANGES CURRENTLY REQUESTED WILL NOT ALTER THE AS MENTIONED BEFORE, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING VARIANCES FROM THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, ZONING ORDINANCE, AND STORMWATER DESIGN MANUAL. REGARDING THE VARIANCE REQUESTED FROM THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE FROM A MINIMUM OF 150-FOOT FRONTAGE REQUIREMENT ALONG PUBLIC STREET AND AINIM OF ONE POINT OF ACCESS REQUIREMENT TO THE PUBLIC STREET AS WELL. AS THE SITE DOESN'T HAVE FRONTAGE NOR DIRECT POINT OF ACCESS TO THE PUBLIC STREET. WITH THIS SLIDE, I WILL GO OVER THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE VARIANCE REQUEST CRITERIA PER CRITERIA STATED IN SUBDIVISION SUBSECTION 1.11 OF ARTICLE 1 OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE. AS FOR THE FRONTAGE, DUE TO THE CONFIGURATION OF THE PLANT AND THE EXISTING ZONING BOUNDARIES, THERE IS NO OPPORTUNITY TO GAIN FRONTAGE ON PUBLIC STREET. FOR THE ACCESS, THE SEWAGE STREET PLANT, THE ACCESS TO THE SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANT OCCURS VIA AN EXISTING DRIVE THAT CONNECTS TO LOS RIOS BOULEVARD AND A PROPOSED DRIVEWAY THAT WILL BE CONSTRUCTED TO CONNECT TO 14th STREET. THESE CONNECTIONS ARE THROUGH ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND EASEMENTS ARE PROPOSED TO BE DEDICATED TO ENSURE ACCESS REMAINS AVAILABLE. THE CITY'S TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERING STAFF SUPPORTS THE PROPOSED ACCESS CONDITIONS AND INDICATES SUFFICIENT TRAFFIC SAFETY. FIRE DEPARTMENT STAFF HAVE ALSO REVIEWED THE REVISED SITE PLAN AND PLATS AND HAVE INDICATED THAT THE FIRE PROTECTION IS SUFFICIENT. AS FOR THE FLOODPLAIN, THE CITY'S ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAS REVIEWED THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE AND HAS DETERMINED THAT THE IMPROVEMENTS DO NOT HAVE A DETRIMENTAL IMPACT ON THE FLOW OF FLOODWATER THROUGH THE SITE. THE PURPOSE OF THE STRUCTURE WILL BE FOR THE TREATMENT OF WASTEWATER. ADDITIONALLY, THE PROPERTY OWNER WILL PERFORM ANY NECESSARY MAINTENANCE OF THE DRAINAGE AND FLOODWAY EASEMENTS. BASED UPON THE ABOVE INFORMATION, GRANTING THE VARIANCE WILL NOT BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY, HEALTH, OR WELFARE, OR INJURIOUS TO THE OTHER PROPERTY. MOVING ON TO CRITERIA NUMBER TWO. WHEN THE CITY OF PLANO INITIALLY STARTED THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANT IN 1950, LOS RIOS BOULEVARD WAS NOT CONSTRUCTED. IN 1975 THE PROPERTY THAT INCLUDED THE PLANT WAS CONVEYED TO THE DISTRICT WITHOUT STREET FRONTAGE AND THE DIRECT ACCESS TO THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. THE ACCESS ON FRONTAGE CONDITIONS ARE UNIQUE PROPERTY CONDITIONS THAT HAVE EVOLVED AS THE PLANT HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED AND THE UNDERLYING PROPERTY HAS CHANGED HANDS OVER THE YEARS. THE PLACEMENT OF SEWAGE TREATMENT FACILITIES IS CHALLENGING. SEWAGE TREATMENT IS BEST DESIGNED IN LOW-LYING LOCATIONS PLACING INFRASTRUCTURE IN AN AREA SUPPORTED BY NATURAL TOPOGRAPHY. THIS SITUATION IS UNIQUE TO THIS PROPERTY AND SHOULD BE RECOGNIZED AS DISTINCT FROM OTHER DEVELOPMENT SITUATIONS WHERE TYPICALLY HIGHER GROUND IS MORE DESIRABLE DEVELOPMENT CONDITION. ADDITIONALLY THE TREATMENT PLANT IS REGULATED BY THE STATE OF TEXAS REGARDING HEHEALTH AND SAFETY CONSIDERATIONS. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ISTHREE, CURRENTLY DEVELOPED AND CONSTRAINED BY THE EXISTING PLANT IMPROVEMENTS AND ADJACENT PROPERTIES. DUE TO THE EXISTING SPECIFIC-USE PERMIT THERE ARE NO OPPORTUNITIES TO PERMIT THE PLANT'S BOUNDARIES AND IMPROVEMENTS MUST ACCOMMODATE WITHIN THE SITE. A HARDSHIP WOULD RESULT IF THE REGULATIONS WERE CARRIED OUT. IN THAT INSTANCE, THE DISTRICT COULD NOT CONSTRUCT IMPROVEMENTS TO THE EXISTING FACILITIES WITHIN THE PROPERTY. SEWER TREATMENT CAPACITY FOR MUCH OF PLANO COULD BE IMPACTED AND EFFORTS TO MODERNIZE THE SITE COULD BE HINDERED. AS FOR CRITERIA NUMBER FOUR, THE REQUESTED VARIANCES DO NOT VARY FROM THE PROVISIONS OF ZONING ORDINANCE OR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE VARIANCES WILL RETAIN EXISTING SITE CONDITIONS WHILE CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S STANDARDS. AS STATED IN STAFF REPORT, THE APPLICANT IS ALSO RUESTG VARIANCES FROM THE SETBACKS OF THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT AND IS SUBJECT TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT APPROVAL OF THOSE VARIANCES, WHICH I AM NOT GOING INTO THE DETAILS OF THOSE VARIANCE REQUESTS. AS FOR THE VARIANCE REQUEST FROM STORMWATER DESIGN MANUAL VARIANCE, THE CITY'S STORMWATER DESIGN MANUAL INCLUDES RESTRICTION ON DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT WITHIN A FLOODPLAIN. THIS REQUEST INCLUDES EXISTING AND PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THE FLOODPLAIN AS SHOWN IN THE REVISED SITE PLAN. TO ACCOMPANY THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE VARIANCE REQUEST MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, THE APPLICANT ALSO REQUESTED A VARIANCE TO SECTION 4.21 OF ARTICLE 4 OF THE CITY'S STORMWATER DESIGN MANUAL REGARDING MINIMUM LOT AND FLOOR ELEVATION. THIS VARIANCE REQUEST WILL NEED TO BE ACTED UPON BY CITY COUNCIL. TO CONCLUDE M PRESENTATION, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT SUBJECT TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION GRANTING VARIANCES TO SECTION 5.2, LOT DESIGN AND IMPROVEMENTS OF ARTICLE 5 REQUIREMENTS FOR PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS RESERVATIONS AND DESIGN OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE FOR FRONTAGE AND DIRECT ACCESS TO A PUBLIC STREET. AND SECTION 5.6, DRAINAGE, STORM SEWER, AND BEST PRACTICES OF ARTICLE 5 REQUIREMENTS FOR PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS,ESERTIONS, AND DESIGN OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE FOR IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN A DRAINAGE AND FLOODWAY EASEMENT AS OUTLINED IN THIS REPORT. AND SHOWN ON THE ASSOCIATED DOCUMENTS. AND ALSO SUBJECT TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT GRANTING VARIANCES FROM SUBSECTION 9.200.3 AREA, YARD ARE REQUIREMENTS OF AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS AS SHOWN ON THE ASSOCIATED DOCUMENTS . AND ALSO THE CITY COUNCIL GRANTING A VARIANCE TO SECTION 4.2.1 OF THE STORMWATER DESIGN MANUAL FOR IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THE DRAINAGE AND FLOODWAY EASEMENT AS SHOWN ON THE ASSOCIATED DOCUMENT. WITH THAT, I CONCLUDE MY PRESENTATION. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. ALSO, THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> Chair Downs: QUESTIONS? THAT WAS QUITE A MOUTHFUL. >> Bronsky: I WAS GOING TO SAY IOVE THAT WE APPROVE THIS SUBJECT TO THE RECOMMENDATION -- >> Chair Downs: WAIT. I THINK WE HAVE A QUESTION. >> Lisle: CAN WE ASK THE APPLICANT A QUESTION? >> Chair Downs: IT'S A NON-PUBLIC HEARING BUT THEY ARE HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, I THINK. >> Lisle: ON THE TOP OF PAGE 6 IT SAYS THAT SEWER TREATMENT CAPACITY FOR MUCH OF PLANO COULD BE IMPACTED AND EFFORTS TO MODERNIZE THE SITE MITIGATING NUISANCES SUCH AS ODOR COULD BE HINDERED. DO Y'ALL HAVE ACTUAL PLANS TO MITIGATE THE ODOR THERE? >> WE HAVE A PRESENTATION AS WELL BUT SO TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, THE SITE CURRENTLY HAS ODOR CONTROL FACILITIES THROUGHOUT. ONE OF THE IMPROVEMENTS WE'RE MAKING AS PART OF THE SITE PLAN IS TO MODIFY OUR EXISTING SLUDGE HANDLING FACILITY. SO CURRENTLY THE SLUDGE HANDLING TAKES PLACE INSIDE OF A BUILDING WITH A PROCESS THAT'S KNOWN AS A BELT FILTER PRESS. SO THINK OF TWO BELTS SQUISHING THE SLUDGE TOGETHER TO TAKE THE WATER OUT. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TOWARDS A TECHNOLOGY CALLED A CENTRIFUGE SO THE SLUDGE WOULD GO INTO -- THINK ABOUT A DRYER OR WASHING MACHINE THAT SPINS REALLY FAST, BUT THAT'S A TOTALLY ENCLOSED PROCESS AS OPPOSED TO AN OPEN PROCESS. SO THE ODOR CONTROL WLD BE ON THE DEVICE AS OPPOSED TO TRYING TO CONTROL THE WHOLE BUILDING. >> Lisle: THANK YOU. >> JUST FOR THE RECORD, COULD I HAVE YOU STATE YOUR NAME, PLEASE. >> MY NAME IS MARK SIMON. I'M ASSISTANT DEPUTY FOR ENGINEERING FOR NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT. >> THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. SPEAKERS ARE STILL ON. MR. OLLEY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MR. BROUNOFF, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? >> I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION. >> Cir Downs I'M GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A SPECIFIC SEQUENCE WE NEED TO GO THROUGH. >> [OFF MIC] >> Chair Downs: IF WE NEEDED IT. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEEDED IT. >> THERE'S NO MORE INFORMATION THAN WHAT YOU PROVIDED. >> Chair Downs: I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS STAYING LATE. IF I REALIZED MAYBE THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE HERE FOR WE MIGHT HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS ONE EARLIER AS WELL. I APOLOGIZE. SO I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION, ONLY BECAUSE AFTER DISCUSSION WITH MICHELLE. I MOVE WE GRANT VARIANCES TO SECTION 5.2 OF ARTICLE 5 OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE FOR FRONTAGE AND DIRECT ACCESS TO A PUBLIC STREET. D SECTION 5.6 OF ARTICLE 5 OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE FOR IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN A DRAINAGE AND FLOODWAY EASEMENT AS OUTLINED IN THIS REPORT AND SHOWN ON THE ASSOCIATED DOCUMENTS SUBJECT TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT GRANTING VARIANCES FROM SUBSECTION 9.200.3 OF SECTION .200 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS SHOWN ON THE EXISTING DOCUMENTS AND THE CITY COUNCIL GRANTING A VARIANCE TO SECTION 4.2.1 OF THE STORMWATER DESIGN MANUAL FOR IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THE FLOODWAY EASEMENT AS SHOWN ON THE ASSOCIATED DOCUMENTS. >> YOU DID GOOD ON THAT AND I'LL SECOND IT. >> Chair Downs: WE HAVE A MOTION BY CHAIR DOWNS WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKY. PLEASE HAND VOTE. THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN FOR YOUR PATIENCE TONIGHT. APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. >> AGENDA ITEM NO. 12. DISCUSSION AND ACTION. DISCUSSION AND ACTION WITH OPPORTUNITY TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING PERTAINING TO AMENDING THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO CONSIDE THE ADDITION OF A LAND USE CLASSIFICATION AND ASSOCIATED RESTRICTIONS FOR PET FUNERAL AL AND RENE BLAKEMORE.PLICANT: >> GOOD EVENING, I'M MELISSA KLEIN, LEAD PLANNER WITH THE CITY OF PLANO. SO THIS IS A DISCUSSION ITEM PERTAINING TO AMENDING THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO CONSIDER THE ADDITION OF A LAND USE CLASSIFICATION AND ASSOCIATED RESTRICTIONS FOR PET FUNERAL HOME AND CREMATORY. THIS CAME ABOUT AS STAFF RECEIVED A REQUEST TO CONSIDER ALLOWING A USE FOR PET FUNERAL HOME AND CREMATORY. THE BUSINESS OPERATION REQUESTED WOULD INCLUDE CREMATION AND FUNERAL SERVICES FOR CUSTOMERS' PETS AND THE SERVICE MAY ALSO INCLUDE EUTHANASIA WHEN NEEDED, UTILIZING A MOBILE VETERINARIAN SERVICE. WHILE THIS CAME ABOUT FROM A SPECIFIC REQUEST, IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT ANY POTENTIAL AMENDMENTS TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE WOULD BE FOR PET FUNERAL HOME AND CREMATORIES IN GENERAL AND NOT SPECIFIC TO THIS INDIVIDUAL BUSINESS. STATE REGULATIONS, THE TEXAS ADMINISTRATIVE CODE PROVIDES REGULATIONS FOR ANIMAL CREMATORIES TO OPERATE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. THE CODE CONSIDERS ANIMAL CREMATORIES TO BE WASTE INCINERATORS AS ANIMAL CARCASSES ARE CONSIDERED MUNICIPAL SOLID WASTE. A PERMIT ISSUED BY THE TEXAS COMMISSION ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY IS REQUIRED TO OPERATE A WASTE INCINERATION FACILITY WITH ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS FOR ANIMAL CREMATORIES INCLUDING INCINERATION AND STORAGE LIMITS, ASH CONTROL, AND OTHER NUISANCE PREVENTION, ISSUANCE OF AN AIR PERMIT TO ENSURE AIR POLLUTION CONTROL, A BUFFER ZONE REQUIREMENT, AND A LIMITATION ON OPERATING HOURS. SPECIFIC TO PLANO, THE ZONING ORDINANCE INCLUDES FOUR USE CLASSIFICATIONS THAT ARE POTENTIALLY SIMILAR TO A PET FUNERAL HOME AND CREMATORY. THESE INCLUDE MORTUARY FUNERAL PARLOR, VETERINARY CLINIC, ASSEMBLY HALL, AND INDUSTRIAL USE HAZARDOUS OR NUISANCE. THERE ARE ISSUES WITH EACH OF THESE USES. A MOR MORTUARY FUNERAL PARLOR IS FOR HUMAN BODIES AND DOES NOT ALLOW FOR PETS. CREMATION IS NOT PERMITTED UNDER THIS USE. A VETERINARIAN CLINIC WOULD ALLOW FOR PROCEDURES RELATED TO MEDICAL TREATMENT SUCH AS EUTHANASIA BUT DOES NOT PROVIDE FOR ON-SITE FUNERAL SERVICES OR CREMATION. FOR THE FUNERAL FACILITIES BUT NO ON-SITE CREMATION OR THE EUTHANASIA. THE INDUSTRIAL USE DOES ALIGN WITH THE STATE CLASSIFICATION OF A WASTE INCINERATION FACILITY WHICH IS REQUIRED TO MEET THE STANDARDS EMISSION, ODOR, AND OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS.& HOWEVER, THIS WOULD LIMIT WHERE OPERATIONS MAY LOCATE TO THE LIGHT COMMERCIAL AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL 2 DISTRICTS AND ONLY WITH A SPECIFIC-USE PERMIT. SO CURRENTLY IN PLANO, COMMERCIAL ANIMAL CREMATION IS NOT PERMITTED. VETERINARIAN CLINICS THAT PROVIDE THIS SERVICE USE OFF-SITE FACILITIES. THE CITY DOES HAVE A GOVERNMENT CITY CREMATORIUM CONNECTED TO ANIMAL SERVICES LOCATED AT THE ANIMAL SHELTER. THIS IS LOCATED ON PROPERTY ZONED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL 1. PER THE ZONING ORDINANCE GOVERNMENT FACILITIES ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN ALL ZONING DISTRICTS BUT ARE OTHERWISE BOUND BY THE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS OF THE CITY EXCEPT WHERE SPECIFICALLY EXEMPTED BY LAW. THIS CREMATORY DOES -- IS PERMITTED BY TCEQ. STAFF FOUND FOUR COMMUNITIES WHICH ALLOWED FOR CREMATION. NEW HOPE TEXAS, OKLAHOMA CITY, WACO, AND FORTH WORTH. NEW HOPE AND FORT WORTH ALLOW IT BY RIGHT WHILE WACO AND& OKLAHOMA CITY ALLOW IT ONLY BY SPECIFIC-USE PERMITS IN LIMITED DISTRICTS . SO THE ZONING ORDINANCE DOES HAVE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS. IT REGULATES PARTICULATES, ODOROUS MATTERS AND NOXIOUS MATTER. STATE REGULATIONS APPLY ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS TO THE USE'S OPERATION, INCLUDING PREVENTIVE MEASURES TO MITIGATE NUISANCES AND ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS. LITTLE IS KNOWN ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THIS USE AT THIS TIME. SINCE LAND USE PERMISSIONS ARE DIFFICULTO RESTRICT RETROACTIVELY, IT MAY BE WISE TO TAKE A CONSERVATIVE APPROACH AND LIMIT THE USE UNTIL MORE IS KNOWN. ONE APPROACH COULD POTENTIALLY BE ALLOWING A PET FUNERAL HOME AND CREMATORY TO OPERATE AS AN INDUSTRIAL USE HAZARDOUS OR NUISANCE. LIMITING THE USE TO THE TWO ZONING DISTRICTS AND REQUIRING A SPECIFIC-USE PERMIT. IF THE USE PROVES TO HAVE MINIMAL IMPACT, THE CLASSIFICATION COULD BE REEVALUATED. ON THE OTHER HAND, IF THE COMMISSION DOES FIND THAT PET FUNERAL HOME AND CREMATORY IS APPROPRIATE FOR PLANO AND DIRECT SFF TO ADD A NEW USE FOR PET FUNERAL HOME AND CREMATORY TO THE ORDINANCE, A DRAFT DEFINITION WOULD BE CREATED FOR THE COMMISSION AND COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION. ADDITIONAL STANDARDS SUCH AS PARKING WOULD ALSO NEED TO BE CONSIDERED. A POTENTIAL DEFINITION IS SHOWN HERE. THE INTERRING SERVICES INVOLVING THE PERMANENT DISPOSITION OF ANIMAL BODIES. TYPICAL USES INCLUDE ANIMAL CEMETERIES AND ANIMALúCREMETORI. THE COMMISSION MAY ALSO WANT TO CONSIDER IF PET FUNERAL HOMES MAY BE APPROPRIATELY SEPARATE AND DISTINCT FROM CREMATORIES. SIMILAR TO HOW FUNERAL HOMES ARE REGULATED TODAY. SO THE ZONING ORDINANCE COULD BE AMENDED AS SHOWN HERE TO REMOVE HUMAN FROM THE MORTUARY OR FUNERAL PARLOR DEFINITION AND REPLACE IT WITH DECEASED. AT THIS TIME STAFF IS SEEKING DIRECTION INVOLVING THE PET FUNERAL HOME AND CREMATORY USE. THE STAFF WOULD LIKE THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS. DOES THE PET FUNERAL HOME AND CREMATORY USE FIT WITHIN THE EXISTING DEFINITIONS IN T ORDINA? IF SO, WHICH ONE? AND IF NOT, ARE CHANGES DESIRED TO ACCOMMODATE THIS USE? SO UNDER THAT SHOULD MORTUARY FUNERAL HOME BE AMENDED IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO INCORPORATE PET FUNERALS? TWO, SHOULD CREMATORY BE ADDED AS A USE IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE? SHOULD IT INCLUDE HUMAN AND ANIMAL REMAINS OR ONLY ONE OR THE OTHER? THREE, SHOULD A USE EXPLICITLY FOR PET FUNERAL HOME AND CREMATORY BE ADDED? FOUR, SHOULD NO CHANGES BE MADE AT THIS TIME. SO IT REMAINS UNLISTED AND DISALLOWED. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION PROVIDE DIRECTION REGARDING PET FUNERAL HOME AND CREMATORY USES. THE COMMISSION MAY CALL A PUBLIC HEARING IF ANY CHANGES TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE ARE WARRANTED. I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT MIGHT BE HERE AS WELL TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THEIR SPECIFIC OPERATION. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. OKAY. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF YOU WERE TRYING TO PUSH YOUR BUTTON, RIGHT, BUT IT'S N WORKING OH, IT DID COME ON. WE'LL GO WITH COMMISSIONER OLLEY. >> Olley: JUST A CURIOSITY. SO WE DON'T HAVE CREMATORY SERVICES FOR HUMANS WITHIN THE CITY OF PLANO? >> NO, WE DON'T. >> Olley: ANY HISTORY WHY THAT WAS LEFT OFF PURPOSEFULLY? WASN'T CONSIDERED? ANY HISTORY BEHIND THAT? >> I DID NOT LOOK INTO THE HISTORY OF THE HUMAN ASPECT OF MORTUARY FUNERAL PARLOR SO I AM NOT POSITIVE AS TO WHY IT IS NOT PERMITTED. >> Chair Downs: MR. BROUNOFF. >> Brounoff: THANK YOU. HAVE YOU HAD OCCASION TO MAYBE CHECK WITH OTHER CITIES THAT DO ALLOW PET CREMATIONS TO GET SOME SPECIFIC INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT IMPACTS, IF ANY, THAT OPERATION WOULD HAVE ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE SURROUNDING AREAS IN TERMS OF ODOR, PARTICULATES, OR ANY SORT OF IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING AREA? >> WE HAVE NOT SPECIFICALLY TALKED TO THEM ABOUT IMPACTS TO THE SURROUNDING AREA. WE JUST LOOKED AT WHERE THEY WERE PERMITTED AND WHAT REGULATIONS. >> Brounoff: BEFORE I TOOK A STAND ON THE CREMATION ASPECT OF THIS, I THINK I WOULD WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU CREMATE A PET. THE GENTLEMAN UP THERE IS OFFERING TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. PERHAPS WE COULD BRING HIM DOWN, MR. CHAIRMAN. >> Chair Downs: LET'S SEE IF WE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF FIRST, SPECIFICALLY. MR. LISLE. >> Lisle: DO WE KNOW HO OFTEN THE GOVERNMENT FACILITY IS USED TO CREMATE PETS OR ANIMALS, I SHOULD SAY? >> I DON'T BELIEVE WE KNOW THAT. WE COULD CONSULT WITH ANIMAL SERVICES TO FIND OUT MORE. >> Lisle: I MEAN, IF IT'S DONE EVERY DAY AND WE'RE NOT HEARING ANY PROBLEMS ABOUT IT, THAT WOULD GIVE US SOME INDICATION THAT THIS COULD BE DONE WITHOUT AN ISSUE. SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT. AND THEN IF THEY GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND GET THE TCEQ PERMIT, AS I THINK THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DO, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT KEEPS THEM FROM INCINERATING OTHER THINGS THAT ARE PERMITTED UNDER THAT PERMIT? IN OTHER WORDS, WE MAY SAY THIS IS OKAY AS A CREMATORY FOR PETS BUT ONCE WE SAY OKAY TO THAT AND THEY HAVE A TCEQ PERMIT THAT ALLOWS THEM TO INCINERATE WHATEVER, WHAT DO WE HAVE TO STOP THEM AND ONLY RESTRICT THEM TO PETS? >> SO FROM M UERSTANDING, THE PERMIT IS SPECIFIC TO ANIMAL CREMATORIES SO IT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY SAY PETS IN IT. IT'S JUST ANIMAL. THE APPLICANT MAY HAVE MORE INFORMATION ON THE PERMIT BUT FROM EVERYTHING THAT I READ, IT'S JUST ANIMALS. >> Lisle: I WOULD JUST WANT TO BE SURE OF THAT. BECAUSE WHAT I'M READING MAYBE IS THE WRONG THING BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT COVERS A LOT OF STUFF. >> YEAH, THE STATE DOES HAVE A SEPARATE LICENSE FOR HUMAN CREMATORIES BUT I THINK WE CAN CONFIRM WITH THE STA REGULATIONS, BECAUSE IT IS CONSIDERED SOLID WASTE, I THINK. SO THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY. BUT WE CAN FIND OUT MORE. >> Lisle: RIGHT. IT SAYS ON HERE INSTITUTIONAL AND RECREATION ACTIVITIES INCLUDING GARBAGE, DEAD ANIMALS ABANDONED AUTOMOBILES. THAT'S WHAT I'M READING FROM . >> Chair Downs: THAT'S THE PERMIT ITSELF BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH OUR REGULATIONS RIGHT? WHAT'S THE ENFORCEMENT METHOD? >> Lisle: I'M JUST SAYING IF WE ALLOW A PET CREMATORIUM, I DON'T WT THEM TO BURN A LOT OF TRASH. >> THAT IS JUST THE DEFINITION FOR THE MUNICIPAL SOLID WASTE, WHICH IS WHERE IT INCLUDES ANIMAL CARCASSES. BUT THE PERMIT HAS SPECIFIC REGULATIONS FOR -- LIKE ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS FOR THE ANIMAL CREMATION. SO IT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF INCINERATOR, AS I UNDERSTAND IT. >> Chair Downs: I'M ASSUMING YEAH THE INCINERATOR THEY WOULD NEED WOULD VARY DEPENDING ON THE PRODUCT. THE OBJECT THEY WERE -- >> Bronsky: THAT WAS KIND OF MY QUESTION A LITTLE BIT. WHAT ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE PET OR THE TYPE OF ANIMAL THAT IS BEING -- WILL THERE BE ANY LIMIT? >> [OFF MIC] [ LAUGHTER ] >> Bronsky: CONCEIVABLY ARE THERE ANY DEFINITIONS TO THE WORD PET THAT RELATES TO THIS THAT SOMEBODY HAS AN EXOTIC CAT THAT THEY WANT TO CREMATE THAT'S DIED. >> Chair Downs: OR A COW. >> OR A HORSE. >> I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE TCEQ REGULATIONS. AGAIN, I DON'T RECALL A SPECIFIC DEFINITION FOR ANIMAL& SIZE OR LIMITATION. BUT THERE ARE LIMITATIONS TO HOW MUCH OF LIKE THE ASH THEY CAN STORE. SO THAT WOULD LIMIT HOW MANY ANIMALS OR HOW LARGE OF ANIMALS THEY COULD CREMATE BECAUSE THEY CAN ONLY STORE SO MUCH OF THE ASHES. >> Chair Downs: LET'S START WITH THIS. BOTTOM LINE IS DO WE WANT TO CONSIDER ALLOWING EITHERET FUNERA HOMES OR CREMATORIUM FOR HUMANS OR PETS IN THE CITY? >> THAT'S TWO QUESTIONS AND THE ANSWER MAY BE DIFFERENT. >> Chair Downs: WHAT DID YOU SAY? >> [OFF MIC] >> Chair Downs: YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT. I THINK WE'RE DIGGING INTO A BUNCH OF LITTLE DETAILED STUFF WITHOUT ASKING THE BIG QUESTION, WHICH THEY START OUT WITH, WHICH IS WE SHOULDN'T MAKE ANY CHANGES OR, NO, WE'RE INTERESTED IN MAKING A CHANGE. WE'RE CONSIDERING ALLOWING THIS. IF SO, LET'S GATHER MORE INFORMATION. >> I THINK YOU ASKED TWO QUESTIONS AT ONCE. >> Chair Downs: WE CAN AND THAT'S PROBABLY ULTIMATELY WHERE WE WIND UP WITH THIS. I DON'T KNOW IF THE APPLICANT HAS A PRESENTATION OR IS IT JUST TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. >> I DON'T HAVE A PRESENTATION WITH ME NOW BUT I COULD BRING A PRESENTATION. I CAN ANSWER WHAT QUESTIONS YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. WOULD YOU LIKE TO ASK QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? YES OR NO? >> SURE. >> [OFF MIC] >> Chair Downs: YEAH, THE ODOR WOULD BE EASY. >> Ratliff: I THINK THERE'S TWO QUESTIONS. ONE, SHOULD WE ALLOW PET FUNERALS AND MORTUARY AND FUNERAL HOMES. THE SECOND IS SHOULD WE ALLOW CREMATORIUMS, WHETHER THEY BE FOR PEOPLE OR ANIMALS OR BOTH? I MEAN, IN MY MIND, SHOULD WE ALLOW MORTUAES AND FUNERAL HOMES FOR PETS. >> Chair Downs: THAT'S PRETTY EASY. >> Ratliff: THAT SEEMS PRETTY EASY FOR ME. IF THAT'S A BUSINESS SOMEBODY WANTS TO START, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. I DON'T KNOW HOW ANYBODY ELSE FEELS. BUT THE CREMATORIUM, I NEED MORE INFORMATION. I THINK MR. LISLE ASKED A GREAT QUESTION. HAVE WE HAD COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE ONE THAT WE OPERATE? I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE ONE THAT'S ALREADY HERE BEFORE WE MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT ANOTHER ONE. >> Chair Downs: THAT'S A REASONABLE APPROACH. >> Lisle: CAN I ADD JU THE IDEA OF A PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERHIP. I MEAN, MAYBE SOMEONE STARTS THIS BUSINESS AND WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER INCINERATOR BUT MAYBE IT'S A LONG WAY TO GO TO NEW HOPE OR SOMEWHERE ELSE BUT IS THERE ANY WAY FOR THAT PERSON TO OFFER THE SERVICE AND USE THE GOVERNMENT FACILITY TO PIGGYBACK? IT'S THERE. >> Chair Downs: THAT'S A VALID QUESTION. NO IDEA. I THINK IT'S INTERESTING TOO THAT THE GOVERNMENT CAN OPEN ONE BUT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH HOOPS AS A PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL TO GET IT STARTED. YES, I DO. >> Brounoff: I AGREE WITH MR. RATLIFF. I THINK THE MORTUARY IS FINE, IF SOMEONE WANTS TO START ONE. THE CREMATION, I WANT TO KNOW& MORE FIRST. I WANT SOME INFORMATION. >> Chair Downs: SO CAN WE APPROACH IT THIS DIRECTION IN GENERAL TERMS OF PET MORTUARY FUNERAL HOME SHOULD OPERATE AS A REGULAR BUSINESS, KIND OF WHEREVER THEY WANT TO OPERATE ONE? IS THERE ANY REASON TO RESTRICT IT? >> AT LEAST IN MY MD IT SHOULD BE RESTRICTED THE SAME AS ONE FOR A PERSON'S FUNERAL. I MEAN, WHEREVER THAT'S ALLOWED, IT SHOULD BE ALLOWED AS WELL. >> Chair Downs: DO WE KNOW WHERE THAT'S ALLOWED BY RIGHT? >> YES. >> Chair Downs: I KNOW IT'S IN THE PACKET BUT YOU'LL FIND IT QUICKER THAN I WILL. >> IT IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN THE RETAIL LIGHT COMMERCIAL, CORRIDOR COMMERCIAL, CENTRAL BUSINESS 1, REGIONAL COMMERCIAL REGIONAL EMPLOYMENT, AND BOTH LIGHT INDUSTRIAL 1 AND 2. >> Chair Downs: SO IT'S NOT RESIDENTIAL BUT OUTSIDE OF RESIDENTIA THEY CA PUT IT ANYWHERE. IS THERE ANY REASON WHY WE WOULD OPPOSE THAT? >> [OFF MIC] >> Lisle: I'M NOT TRYING TO BE FUNNY BUT LIKE HOW DOES THAT WORK? >> Bronsky: I COULD PROBABLY TAKE LONGER -- >> Chair Downs: THE ULTIMATE QUESTION DOESN'T MATTER. >> Lisle: I WASN'T TRYING TO BE FUNNY. >> Chair Downs: I UNDERSTAND. SO THE IDEA HERE IS FOR PET FUNERAL HOME AND MORTUARY, WHY NOT WHEREVER UNDER THE SAME CLASSIFICATION AS THE TRADITIONAL ONE. AND ON THE CREMATORY, IF WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW IT FOR PETS, IS THERE A REASON WHY WE WOULDN'T ALLOW IT FOR HUMANS? BUT WE PROBABLY WOULD WANT TO RESTRICT WHERE IT WOULD GO BUT WE ALL WOULD LIKE A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION BEFORE SAYING -- >> I WOULD SAY THERE MIGHT BE BUT, AGAIN, I THINK WE NEED TO LEARN MORE ABOUT IT. >> [OFF MIC] >> Chair Downs: WE'LL BRING THAT DOWN HERE IN A SECOND. MR. RATLIFF. >> Ratliff: I THINK W HAVE -- IN MY OPINION THERE'S PROBABLY AN SUP PROCESS INVOLVED IN AT LEAST ONE OF THEM. I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT'S ADJACENT, WHAT'S DOWNWIND. >> Chair Downs: WE MAY LEARN MORE ABOUT THE PROCESS THAT, GUESS WHAT, THE ODOR AND PARTICULATES COMING OUT OF A CREMATORY ARE LESS THAN WHAT YOU GET OUT OF A KENTUCKY FRIED CHICKEN RESTAURANT. SERIOUSLY. YOU CAN SMELL ONE OF THOSE. ARE WE THEN GOING TO GET REALLY, YOU KNOW, SO WE DON'T KNOW. BUT THAT'S JUST THE POINT. I SWEAR TO GOD I THINK I CAN SMELL THE KENTUCKY FRIED CHICKEN THAT'S A MILE AND A HALF FROM MY HOUSE SOMETIMES. >> THAT MIGHT SMELL BETTER. [ LAUGHTER ] >> [OFF MIC] >> Chair Downs: I'M TRYING TO MAKE A POINT OF WE'RE MAYBE BEING OVERLY CONCERNED ABOUT SOMETHING THAT REALLY ISN'T AN ISSUE. >> Olley: AGREED. WE NEED MORE INFORMATION, ESPECIALLY IF WE ALREADY HAVE CERTAIN ZONING DISTRICTS THAT HAVE SOME KIND OF WASTE REGULATION. >> Chair Downs: LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO ME IS AN OBVIOUS LOCATION FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS OPERATION. AND THERE'S NOTHING TO SAY THAT THE CREMATORIUM HAS TO BE DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED OR CONNECTED TO A MORTUARY OR A FUNERAL HOME. IT'S JUST ANOTHER BUSINESS OPERATION. IT'S A MATTER OF HOW DO WE WANT TO REGULATE IT, WHERE DO WE WANT TO PUT IT. >> I NEED TO READ THE ORDINANCE AGAIN BUT I'D LIKE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL 1 OR 2 WHERE WE TYPICALLY ALLOW BUSINESSES THAT GENERATE ODOR. I'M THINKING OF A BODY SHOP WITH A PAI BTH. I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE BEEN DOWNWIND OF ONE OF THOSE ON A HOT SUMMER DAY, THEY ARE NOT UNDETECTABLE. >> Chair Downs: SO ARE YOU GETTING CLEAR DIRECTION FROM US? >> YES. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. DOES ANYONE WANT TO ADD -- IF THE APPLICANT WANTS TO COME DOWN, WE CAN ASK A QUESTION. IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING. YOU'RE WELCOME TO SPEAK TO US ANYWAY. >> I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. >> Chair Downs: WELL, IF YOU HAVE AN EXPERTISE IN THAT AREA C. WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY DECISIONS OR DIRECTION ON THIS. >> I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHAT DIRECTION STAFF GOT. LIKE MAYBE BUT WE WANT MORE INFORMATION OR WHERE -- HOW WOULD SHE CHARACTERIZE WHAT SHE HEARD FROM ALL OF US. >> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >> MY NAME IS ALAN BLAKEMORE. MY WIFE AND I ARE LOOKING AT OPENING UP A PET PASSAGES FRANCHISE ON THE I-75 CORRIDOR. THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE ODOR IS THAT THE TYPICAL ODOR AND EMISSIONS FROM THE -- THE DEVICE IS CALLED A RETORT AND IT'S ABOUT THE SAME AS A GAS GRILL IN YOUR BACKYARD . THE REASON IS BECAUSE IT'S A VERY EXPENSIVE, VERY LARGE DEVICE. IT'S ABOUT FIVE FEET WIDE BY 13 FEET LONG. IT HAS MULTIPLE CHAMBERS IN IT. IT BURNS AT ABOUT 1500 DEGREES. TYPICAL ANIMAL MIGHT TAKE ABOUT 45 MINUTES TO AN HOUR TO PROCESS. AND ACTUALLY THE ONLY THING THAT'S LEFT ARE JUST THE BES AND THEY'RE REAL BRITTLE. WHEN YOU SEE THE ASHES, YOU'RE NOT GETTING BACK ASHES. THEY'RE TAKING THE BONES AND CRUSHING DOWN THE BONES AND MAKING ASHES. SO BECAUSE OF THE HIGH HEAT AND THE MULTIPLE CHAMBERS IT GOES THROUGH, THE FINAL CHAMBER -- IT'S SO HOT THERE'S NO ODOR LEFT BY THE TIME IT COMES OUT. >> Brounoff: I APPRECIATE THAT BUT I CAN SMELL MY NEIGHBOR GRILLING HAMBURGERS. >> HE'S NOT BURNING THOSE HAMBURGERS AT 1500 DEGREES EITHER. THE QUESTION AS R ASHY WOULD SOMEBODY WANT A FUNERAL HOME FOR THEIR PET, MOST PET PARENTS -- THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A PET PARENT AND MAYBE AN OWNER. TYPICALLY THOSE PETS ARE AS MUCH OF A HOUSEHOLD MEMBER AND IN SOME CASES MORE THAN FAMILIES CHILDREN FRIENDS. AND THE FACILITY IS A ONE FACILITY TO HAVE A PET, EITHER DROPPED OFF OR SERVICE WITH A VETERINARIAN AND SERVICED. IF YOU WANT TO SAY GOOD-BYE TO YOUR PET, YOU CAN HAVE A SMALL PLACE TO DO THAT. THERE'S 11 STATES THAT HAVE THIS FRANCHISE RIGHT NOW AND PEOPLE DO THIS A LOT, TO SAY GOOD-BYE TO THEIR PET. ALSO, THE MOBILE VETERINARIAN CAN COME BY AND PUT THE PET DOWN IN THAT FACILITY INSTEAD OF THEIR HOUSE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE EVER HAD TO PUT PETS DOWN BEFORE -- WE HAVE DOGS, SEVENF THEM, I HAVE DONE THIS MORE THAN I CARE TO THINK ABOUT. ANY TIME I THINK ABOUT LEAVING MY DOG ON A COLD FLOOR IN A VET'S OFFICE MAKES ME -- ANYWAYS, SO THIS IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT TYPE OF FACILITY. THERE'S NOTHING LIKE IT IN TEXAS AND THE METROPLEX RIGHT NOW. THERE'S GOING TO BE ONE IN MARBLE FALLS SO THEY GOT AHEAD OF US. BUT THERE'S NOTHING LIKE THIS IN THE METROPLEX. IF IF YOU HAVE BEEN TO A FUNERAL HOME, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE 20 OR 30 PEOPLE SHOW UP FOR A PET. IT'S TYPICALLY A FAMILY OR IN SOME CASES LIKE THE AKC SHOW PEOPLE, WHICH WE WERE A PART OF ONE TIME. MAYBE THAT ONE DOG WAS A STUD DOG AND SIRED A BUNCH OF PUPS. A LOT OF THOSE PEOPLE WANT TO COME BY AND SAY GOOD-BYE. PEOPLE DO THAT. ESPECIALLY THE TRANSITION THAT THE PANDEMIC HAD WITH OUR PETS. PEOPLE WORKING AT HOME. THE PET MARKET CHANGED A LOT WITH THE PANDEMIC. THAT IS WHY. >> Lisle: I DON'T QUESTION PEOPLE'S RELATIONSHIPS WITH THEIR PETS. I PUT DOWN A DOG THREE MONTHS AGO THAT WAS WITH ME FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS. I UNDERSTAND THE COLD FLOOR. MINE WAS ON A BLANKET ON THE TAILGATE OF MY TRUCK. I WASN'T GOING TO STAY ON THE COLD FLOOR. I UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF SAYING GOOD-BYE TO A LOVED ONE, WHICH IS WHAT THESE ANIMALS ARE . THE CREMATION PROCESS, YOU WANT TO DO THAT AT THE SAME SPOT. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> Lisle: NOT SOMEWHERE ACROSS TOWN. >> CAN I TELL YOU WHY? >> Lisle: WELL, I KNOW WHY. I THINK I KNOW WHY. >> MY STORY, WE HAD A DOG, HIS NAME WAS REMINGTON, HE WEIGHED 75 POUNDS. SIX YEARS LATER WE PUT DOWN HIS SON, COLT. HE WEIGHED 55 POUNDS. WHEN WE GOT HIM BACK HE WEIGHED MORE THAN HIS FATHER. ONE OF THOSE DOGS IS NY DOG. PET PASSAGES HAS A WAY TO TRACK WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH YOUR DOG. YOU FIND WHERE IT'S AT ON YOUR PHONE SO YOU KNOW IT'S YOUR DOG WHEN YOU GET IT BACK. RIGHT NOW THIS INDUSTRY IS NOT REGULATED AT ALL AND PET PASSAGES IS LOOKING TO CHANGE THAT. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? >> Lisle: YEAH. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD HAVE GUESSED. IF I HAVE AN ANIMAL, I WANT TO TRUST WHERE IT'S GOING. >> YEAH. I HAVE THAT. ONE OF MY TWO DOGS, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE AKC SHOW CHAMPIONS, ONE OF THOSE TWO DOGS, THEY'RE MY BEST FRIEND. ONE OF THOSE TWO DOGS IS NOT MY DOG. >> Lisle: I GET THAT. SO BACK TO THE SMELL, YOU STARTED OFF SAYING NO MORE THAN A CHARCOAL GRILL. I WAS ON THE SAME PAGE WITH HIM. I SMELL MY NEIGHBOR COOKING HAMBURGERS. >> EMISSIONS. >> Lisle: SO YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S ZERO SMELL. >> ZERO ODOR. >> Lisle: ZERO ODOR WHATSOEVER. >> YES. I HAVE BEEN TO -- WE HAVE A PET PASSAGES IN OKLAHOMA CITY. I HAVE BEEN THERE WHEN THEY CREMATED TWO ANIMALS. NO SMELL. >> Lisle: HOW AREHESE -- HOW IS THE HEAT CREATED? >> GAS. >> Lisle: AND IT'S JUST GOT A FLUE LIKE A FIREPLACE? >> IF YOU SEE A RESTAURANT VENT... >> Lisle: IS IT FILTERED? WHEN YOU'RE BURNING HAIR -- OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE BURNING THE CARCASS. >> WHEN YOU FIRST PUT IT IN YOU CAN KIND OF SMELL THE HAIR A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE HAIR DOES BURN. BUT IT'S SO HOT AND FAST -- >> Lisle: YOU SMELL IT WHEN YOU'RE STANDING THERE OR OUTSIDE? >> WHEN YOU'RE STANDING NEXT TO IT. IT HAS THIS HUGE DOOR THAT'S PUT IN -- BASICALLY THINK OF A BRICK OVEN WHEN YOU PUT THE ANIMAL INSIDE OF IT. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT INSIDE WHILE THAT DOOR IS OPEN. YOU'RE GOING TO GET A SMALL SENSATION OF THE SMELL. ONCE IT'S IN THERE AND THAT CHAMBER DOOR CLOSES, BY THE TIME IT GOES TO THE DIFFERENT PARTS AND COMES BACK OUT, THERE'S NO SMELL. IT'S SO HOT AND THE TECHNOLOGY OF IT -- THESE ARE SIX-FIGURE MACHINES. THERE'S NO SMELL WHEN IT COMES OUT. >> Lisle: WHERE ARE OTHER PLACES OPERATING, IF WE'RE IN THE AREA AND WE WANTED TO GO BACK. THERE'S ONE IN SACKSY, CAROLLTON CALLED TWO ACRES, AND ONE IN NEW HOPE. >> Lisle: THEY OPERATE THIS EQUIPMENT YOU'RE REFERRING TO? >> THEY OPERATE WITH A LOT OLDER EQUIPMENT THAN WHAT WE'RE USING. >> Lisle: I'LL ASK AGAIN. WHERE IS THIS EQUIPMENT? >> KELLER MANUFACTURING. IT'S OUT OF FLORIDA. >> Lisle: KELLER MANUFACTURING? >> IF YOU WISH, I CAN GET SOME VERY SPECIFIC INFORMATION FROM KELLER. I COULD PROBABLY EVEN HAVE ONE OF THE ASSOCIATES FROM KELR COMEU NEED TO. >> Chair Downs: IS THE MACHINE THE SAME THAT WOULD BE USED FOR HUMAN? >> IT IS, YES. IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT SIZE. AND THERE IS ONE CREMATORY IN COLLIN COUNTY UP IN ALLEN. >> Chair Downs: I UNFORTUNATELY HAD USE OF THAT TWO OR THREE TIMES. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I THINK LET'S CIRCLE BACK TO STAFF. THANK YOU, SIR. >> THANK YOU. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE TIME AND CONSIDERING THE BUSINESS. >> Chair Downs: ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, WHAT IS THE INSTRUCTION THAT YOU TAKE FROM US? >> YES. SO FEEL FREE TO CORRECT ME IF I HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD. BUT THE FUNERAL HOME ASPECT FOR THE PETS IS OKAY. BUT FOR THE CREMATORY ASPECT, YOU WOULD LIKE MORE INFORMATION, SPECIFICALLY ON ODOR NOISE SMOKE OTHER IMPACTS TO ADJACENT PROPERTIES. AND ON THE STATE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SPECIFIC PERMIT AS WELL. SO IF THERE ARE ANY LIMITATIONS TO TYPES OR SIZE OF ANIMALS. AND THEN MORE INFORMATION ON THE EXISTING CREMATORIUM FOR ANIMAL SERVICES. SO HOW MANY CREMATIONS DO THEY TYPICALLY DO. HAVE THERE BEEN ANY COMPLAINTS ON IT. ALSO, PROVIDING POTENTIALLY COMPARISONS TO OTHER ODOR-PRODUCING USES WHERE THEY ARE PERMITTED AS WELL AS OTHER KIND OF WASTE OPERATIONS. >> Chair Downs: I THINK THAT PRETTY WELL COVERS IT. MR. BRONSKY. >> Bronsky: CAN YOU ALSO JUST -- I WASN'T SURE, SOMEBODY HAD MENONEDT. JUST SOME GENERAL BACKGROUND AS FAR AS WHY WE CURRENTLY DO NOT PERMIT CREMATORIUMS FOR HUMANS AT ALL. >> YES. >> Bronsky: IS THERE SOME BACKGROUND BEHIND NOT HAVING CREMATORIES AT ALL IN PLANO. >> Chair Downs: IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S ONE IN COLLIN COUNTY. >> Bronsk: I'M CURIOUS WAS THERE A REASON WHY. >> Tong: I ALSO HAVE A REQUEST FOR THE STAFF. >> Chair Downs: WHAT'S THAT? >> Tong: I KNOW THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PERMIT FOR A CREMATORY, AND I UNDERSTAND THIS GENTLEMAN BROUGHT US A GREAT IDEA OF SOMETHING, A MACHINE THAT DOESN'T PRODUCE ANY ODOR. BUT ONCE WE DID GIVE THE PERMIT OR THE USE OF CREMATION, WOULD THERE BE OTHER TYPES OF CREMATION PROCESSES THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE SAW TODAY, FROM THIS GENTLEMAN. SO CAN YOU DO SOME RESEARCH ON WHAT ARE DIFFERENT TYPES OF CREMATION THAT COULD EXIST, ONCE WE GIVEHE PERMIT -- >> Chair Downs: CREMATION VERSUS SPECIFIC TYPE OF CREMATION. >> Tong: EXACTLY. YEAH. >> Chair Downs: ANYONE ELSE? THANK YOU. ITEM 13. >> CAN I JUST CLARIFY? SO WE WON'T DO A CALL FOR PUBLIC HEARING YET ON THE FUNERAL HOME SIDE. WE'LL JUST DO THAT MAYBE WHEN WE COME BACK WITH THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION? >> Chair Downs: I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE. >> SOUNDS GOOD. >> Chair Downs: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. >> ITEM 13 ISTEM FOR FUTURE DISCUSSION. >> Chair Downs: EVERYBODY TALKED OUT? MR. CARY'S LIKE GET ME OUT OF HERE. [LAUGHTER] OKAY. AT 10:25 WE ARE ADJOURNED. [MEETING ADJOURNED]