>>COUN. DAVIS: FOLKS, IF YOU'RE UP AND AROUND WE'LL ASK YOU TO GRAB A SEAT TO GET OUR MEETING STARTED. THIS IS OUR TWO MINUTES AND WE'LL ASK OUR STAFF TO CALL GOVTV TO LET THEM KNOW WE'RE READY. I THINK YOU HAVE TO GO OUT THIS WAY. THEY HAVE IT ALL LOCKED DOWN FOR US. GOOD TO SEE YOU. GOOD EVENING, AND WAUM TO THE 26th MEETING OF THE 25th CITY COUNCIL. WE'LL CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. ALL COUNCILORS ARE PRESENT THIS EVENING. COUNCILOR BENTON WILL BE A FEW MINUTES LATE. HE'LL BE EXCUSED IF WE NEED TO ON THE RECORD UNTIL HE ARRIVES. MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. >>COUN. GROUT: MR. PRESIDENT, WE HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE AT THIS TIME I'D LIKE TO ASK COUNCILOR BASSAN TO LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND COUNCILOR SANCHEZ TO LEAD US IN SPANISH. [ MOMENT OF SILENCE ] [ INAUDIBLE ]. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, COUNCILORS. THANK YOU TO EVERYONE. I'LL REMIND YOU THAT IF YOU'RE UP AND ABOUT YOU HAVE TO TAKE A SEAT DURING THE MEETING SO FOLKS CAN COME AND GO. BE SURE TO GRAB A SEAT. CIVIC APPLAUSE WAS PARKING PASSES ARE PROVIDE FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. YOU CAN OBTAIN ONE NEAR THE ENTRANCE, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC OR CITY STAFF HAVE THE ABILITY TO VIEW THIS ON LIVE STREAMS THROUGH GOVTV CHANNEL 16, THE WIBSET, YOU TUBE AND ZOOM. LIVE STREAMS ARE ALWAYS ACCESSIBLE AND OUR MEETING IS CLOSED CAPTIONED AND YOU MAY ENABLE THAT ON YOUR TELEVISION OR DEVICE AT ANY TIME. A RECORDING OF THIS AND ALL PAST MEETINGS WILL REMAIN VIEWABLE AT ANY TIME ON THE WEBSITE. IF YOU NEED ASSISTANCE CALL COUNCIL STAFF AT 768-3100 DURING NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS. THE COUNCIL NORMALLY TAKE A BREAK AT 7 P.M. WE'LL DO THAT AT THE MOST CONVENIENT NATURAL BREAK IN THE AGENDA. WITH REGARD TO DECORUM, WHY WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT ALL COMMENTS NEED TO BE CIVIL AND RESPECTFUL, WE DON'T MAKE ANY ATTACKS OR ANY APPLAUSE OR OUTBURSTS. AND THE MEETING WILL GO SMOOTHER IF WE'RE ALL RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER. TO THAT END WE ALWAYS A SAY FEW WORDS ABOUT DECORUM AND THE RULES. HAND OUTS ARE AVAILABLE AT THE STAFF TABLE BEFORE THE MEET{WE ARE HAPPY TO PROVIDE THOSE TO YOU AT OTHER TIME. THERE'S NO SIGNS, PROPS, POSTERS OR CHAMBERS IN THE CHAMBER OTHER THAN THOSE DISPLAYED ON THE OVERHEAD. THOSE MATERIALS SHOULD NOT BE HELD OR WAIVED IN A MANNER THAT BLOCKS THE VIEW OF OTHERS OR KRAKTS A DISTRACTION. ITEMS DISPLAYED MUST BE REMOVED AT THE END OFFENSE PUBLIC COMMENT IF YOU'RE HERE FOR THAT PURPOSE. ONLY THE INDIVIDUAL WHO WAS CALLED ON TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT MAY STAND AT THE PODIUM. MULTIPLE PERSONS ARE NOT ALLOWED UNLESS YOU NEED ASSISTANCE OF TRANSLATOR IN WHICH CASE LET OUR STAFF KNOW. THERE'S NO TOLERANCE FOR OUTBURSTS. THE HANDICAPPED AREA MUST BE CLEAR AT ALL TIME. IF YOU DESIRE TO RECORD MEETINGS YOU ARE WELCOME TO DO SO FROM THE LEFT SIDE OR FROM YOUR SEAT. THE FIRE MARSHAL WILL ENFORCE OUR INGRESS OR EGRESS. IN THE EVENT WE HAVE VIOLATION WE HAVE ONE WARNING TO ANYONE THAT CAUSES DISRUPTION. ON THE SECOND DISRUPTION THAT INDIVIDUAL MAY BE ASKED TO LEAVE THE CHAMBERS SO THE MEETING MAY CONTINUE. SUCH REMOVING THEY BE FTIVE UNTIL THE REMAINOR OF THE MEETING. IF CONTINUE DISRUPTIONS OCCUR I WILL RECESS THE MEETING UNTIL CLEARED PERSONS PARTICIPATING IN THE DISTURBANCE. THOSE ARE THE DO AND DON'TS. WE WELCOME YOU THOSE THAT STAY WITH US. MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. WE HAVE PRAUKZS -- PROCLAMATIONS AND PRESENTATION. REGARDING EV CHARGING STATION. KELSEY RADAR AND SAIF FROM THE SOPHS OF SUSTAINABILITY WILL PRESENT. >> CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME? AWESOME. GOOD EVENING, COUNCILORS, I'M THE SUSTAINABILITY OFFICER FOR THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. >> GOOD EVENING, I'M THE MANAGER FOR THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR INVITING TO PRESENT. WE'LL DISCUSS SOME OF THE CITY'S CITY-OWNED CHARGES STATION WE APPLIED AND RECEIVED FUNDING FOR FROM THE SETTLEMENT FUND AND PLANS FOR THE FUTURE. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. >> THE CITY INSTALLED 20 LEVEL TWO STATIONS ACROSS THE CITY WITH 36 STATION POSTS. AND SEVERAL LOCATIONS ACROSS THE CITY. THESE STATIONS BASED ON ANALYSIS AND DATA WE HAVE RAN SUPPORTS 481 UNIQUE DRIVERS A MONTH. AND SAVES 60,000 GALLONS OF GASOLINE AND 16.7 METRIC TONS OF GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS. WHEN WE HAVE SEVERAL STATIONS WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE SITE WERE BEING INSTALLED CORRECTLY AND THE CITIZENS ARE GETTING BENEFIT FROM THE CHARGING STATIONS. THE HIGHEST USAGE ON STREET PARKING DOWNTOWN AND NOB HILL AND NORTH DOMINGO HAD THE HIGH USAGE. >> THAT DATA IS FROM THE BRAIN SYSTEM WHICH THE MONITORS AND IS HELPFUL IN UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE USAGE IS LOOKING LIKE ACROSS THE CITY AND WHAT TYPES OF BENEFIT WE'RE RECEIVING AND THAT IS ALSO MINIMUM NUMBERS BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE EXPANDING THE STATIONS CONNECTED TO THE BRAIN IN THE COMING MONTHS. WE'RE EXCITED TO HAVE UPDATES ON USAGE DATA IN THE FUTURE. NEXT SLIDE. THE CRITERIA IN TERMS OF FINDING THE STATIONS SHOULD WE SAID WE STARTED OFF WITH TWO CITY-OWNED CHARGING STATIONS IN 2018, WITH THE 20 STATIONS WE HAVE WITH 36 PORTS, THEY'RE FUNDED WITH VW GRANT FUNDING. WHEN WE STARTED THE STATIONS WE NEEDED TO FOLLOW THE CRITERIA LAID OUT BY THE STATE IN ORDER TO RECEIVE THAT FUNDING. SOME OF THE PREDOMINANT CRITERIA WE FOCUSED ON WAS PROXIMITY TO INTERSTATE. WE LOOKED FOR HOLOICATIONS NEAR TO ENTERTAINMENT. FOR LEVEL TWO CHARGING STATIONS IT CAN BE TWO TO FOUR HOURS TO CHARGE YOUR CAR. WE NEEDED IT NEAR RESTAURANTS. WE NEEDED EQUITY CONSIDERATIONS. AND THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR ALL OF OUR PROJECTS AND SUSTAINABILITY. WE'RE LOOKING FOR AREAS AND LOCATIONS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE SOME VEHICLE EMISSIONS OR AREAS THAT WERE EXPERIENCING HIGH LEVELS OF VEHICLE POLLUTION. AND IN ADDITION TO THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE FROM THE CITY'S INTEREST WE'RE GETTING DIVERSITY. NOT ALL SITES ARE CREATED EQUAL. OFTENTIMES THERE'S INFRASTRUCTURE UP GRADES THAT NEED TO TAKE PLACE. A WHOLE HOST OF FACTORS GO INTO FINDING THESE STATIONS FOR THE LAST ROUND. WHEN FUTURE ROUNDS COME UP THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE SAME TYPE OF CRITERIA BECAUSE WE APPLY FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF GRANTS AND WE'RE ALWAYS INTERESTED TO TRY TO MEET THE NEEDS OF COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC AND WHERE THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE STATIONS. NEXT SLIDE. WITH ALL OF THAT INTRO, WE THESE -- THESE ARE THE 12 WE HAVE CHARGING STATIONS AT. IT'S THE CLOSE PROXIMITY TO INTERSTATE. ESPECIALLY IN THE NORTH VALLEY CLOSE TO 25 AND FOLLOWING CLOSELY ALONG 40. HOWEVER, I LIKE TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST PHASE WE HAVE LIMITED AMOUNT OF BUDGET FOR THE FIRST PHASE OF CHARGING STATION AND WE WANT TO EXPAND. I'LL LET STEVE TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE STATIONS WE WANT TO PUT IN AND FILL SERVICE GAPS ACROSS THE CITY. >> AFTER THE FIRST ROUND WE INSTALLED 12 LOCATIONS ACROSS THE CITY. WE NOTICED OTHER CITY FACILITIES SUPPORTING THE CITY POLICE AND THE PUBLIC. HAVING THOSE CHARGING STATIONS ACROSS THE CITY. WE HAVE ALLOCATED ALMOST 18 SITES THROUGHOUT THE CITY. CURVING THE SOUTHEAST, SOUTH WEST, AND MAKING SURE BASED ON THE ANALYSIS WE DID AND THE BENEFITS ON HAVING THE STATIONS AND THE USERS BASED ON THE INTERVIEWS, MEETING THE PUBLIC, AND DOING FULL ANALYSIS ON INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE CITIES THAT WANT TO MAKE SURE THOSE STATIONS HAVE A HUGE BENEFIT FOR THE CITIZENS. ALSO WHEN WE START BUILDING WEST GATE COMMUNITY CENTER WE HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE READY TO HAVE THE STATIONS INSTALLED SO THERE IS A LOT OF COST SAVINGS BY INSTALLING THOSE STATIONS ON GOVERNMENT FACILITIES. >> LAST SLIDE, PLEASE. JUST TO WRAP EVERYTHING UP, OF COURSE WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT FUTURE SITE PRIORITIES, HOW WE SITE SOME OF THE CHARGING STATIONS FILLING IN NETWORK AP IS IMPORTANT. OF COURSE THERE'S MANY ADDITIONAL SITES OWNED BY THE PRIVATE SECTOR. WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE CITY FACILITY GAP BUT ALSO THE PRIVATE SECTOR GAPS AND MAKING SURE WE'RE MAKING THEM AVAILABLE FOR FACILITIES LOCATED IN NEIGHBORHOODS AND ALSO USING THESE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. WE'RE TRYING TO PURCHASE AS MANY PLUG-IN HYBRID AND ELECTRIC VEHICLES IN THE CITY FLEET. EXPANDING THE NETWORK IS GOING TO HELP OUR OWN CITY VEHICLES. WE ALSO WANT TO BE LOOKING AT WHERE CAN WE REDUCE VEHICLE POLLUTION WHO IS EXPERIENCING VEHICLE POLLUTION AND HOW TO MAKE SURE EQUITY IS A STRONG SOLUTION. AND WE WANT HIGH USAGE. WE WANT THEM TO BE IN PLACES TO GET THE HIGH USAGE. AND FINALLY, WE'RE VERY EXCITED WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING ANNOUNCEMENTS SOON ABOUT GRANT FUNDING FOR FUTURE EV RIDE SERVICES AT CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. AGAIN, HELPING TO EXPAND OUR EV CHARGING STATION NETWORK IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE PROGRAMS. WITH THAT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. >>COUN. GROUT: COUNCILORS? COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS. AND I'M PARTICULARLY EXCITED BECAUSE I'VE HAD CONSTITCH -- CONSTITUENTS REACH OUT. HOW MUCH DOES IT COST DO INSTALL? >> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I'LL LEAVE THAT TO HIM TO TALK ABOUT. THERE'S QUITE A RANGE DEPENDING ON INFRASTRUCTURE RANGE. >> IT DEPENDS ON THE LOCATION AND THE SIZE OF THE ELECTRIC INFRASTRUCTURE. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE AN AVERAGE BETWEEN $50-70,000 LEVEL TWO STATION. LEVEL THREE IS CHARGE COST MORE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO UPGRADE INFRASTRUCTURE FROM PHASE TO PHASE THREE. ELECTRICAL SERVICES AND PANELS. BUT LEVEL TWO IS COMMON LEVEL WE USE WITHIN THAT RANGE. >>COUN. BASSAN: AND SO, PARTICULARLY, I MEAN, I HAVE PEOPLE THAT SAY THERE'S NOT ENOUGH CHARGERS AT NORTH DOMINGO BACA. ARE THERE PLANS BECAUSE I REALIZE THERE'S PLENTY OF PLACES WE NEED TO MAKE SURE TO GET CHARGING STATIONS IN. IS IT SOMETHING WORTH TRYING TO PURSUE GETTING ADDITIONAL CHARGERS PUT IN AT NORTH DOMINGO BACA BEFORE THERE'S NOR PUT OUT IN OTHER PARS OF THE CITY? >> ABSOLUTELY. WE HAVE THE BRAIN THAT GIVE US THE USAGE AND DATA OF TIME. THE GOOD THING WHEN WE DID PHASE ONE WE HAVE ADDED EXTRA BLOCKS FOR FUTURE INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADES. NOW IT'S EASY TO INSTALL THE STATIONS INSTEAD OF ADDING MORE COST ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE. THEY'RE READY FOR FUTURE EXPANSION. >> I'M ALSO HAPPY TO SAY WE'RE ACTUALLY DEVELOPING ANOTHER GRANT APPLICATION TO GO TO NMDOT AND NORTH DOMINGO BACA IS ON THAT LIST. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. LET ME KNOW HOW WHERE CAN ASSIST. AND I KNOW IT'S NECESSARY THROUGHOUT THE CITY. BUT I HAVE PEOPLE REGULARLY ASKING ME SAYING IT'S ALWAYS FULL. PEOPLE ARE USING IT THERE. I SEE YOUR DATA SUPPORTING THAT. LET ME KNOW HOW I CAN HELP AS WELL. ASIDE FROM FINDING THE UNBELIEVABLE POCKETS OF MONEY THAT EVERYONE THINKS THE CITY HAS. WHICH WE DON'T. WE'RE WORKING ON IT. >>COUN. GROUT: COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. I ASKED YOU TO DO THE PRESENTATION AS YOU MAY REMEMBER OR NOT REMEMBER. YOU DID A -- PRESENTATION A FEW YEARS BACK. I WANTED TO SEE WHERE WE WERE AND HOW FAR WE'VE COME. JUST BEFORE I ASKED MY QUESTION, DO YOU HAVE WHERE ALL THE SITES ARE NOW? DID I MISS THAT SLIDE? >> WE CAN GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE. I THINK THAT'S SLIDE NUMBER FOUR. IT MAY BE A FEW BACK. THAT'S OUR FUTURE, THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY, AND THIS IS CURRENT. >>COUN. PEÑA: OKAY. IS THERE A WAY TO SEE WHERE THE -- THE POTENTIAL SITES STILL LEAVES THE WEST SIDE WITH ONLY SIX CHARGING STATIONS AND THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SOUTHWEST AREA ALTHOUGH YOU DID PUT TWO ADDITIONAL ONES WHICH IS COOL, BUT THAT'S POTENTIAL FUTURE, RIGHT? I JUST REALLY WANT YOU -- THE SETTLEMENT AND EQUITY AND UNDERSERVED COMMUNITY. I SEE THERE'S A LOT IN COUNCILOR DAVIS'S DISTRICT BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S A LOT IN THE INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT EITHER. WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAKE SURE WE LOOK AT THE EQUITY AND UNDERSERVED COMMUNITY? >> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. WE DID ENSURE THAT THE INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT LIBRARY IS INCLUDED IN THE GRANT APPLICATION. WE ALSO WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE PAYING SPECIAL ATTENTION TO THE WEST SIDE AND TRYING TO EXPAND, AS WELL. WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO MAKE SURE EQUITY IS A PART OF THE CONVERSATION. IN PARTICULAR, TRYING TO USE TOOLS LIKE THE, EPA SCREEN TOOL TO IDENTIFY THOSE THAT ARE IMPACTED BY VEHICLE POLLUTION. IT'S A TRICKY BALANCE TRYING TO FIND SITES ALWAYS PUBLICY ACCEPTABLE FOR THE PUBLIC. SITES THAT ARE DISTRIBUTED AND MAKING SURE THEY ALL ALIGN WITH BUDGET. WE DON'T BREAK THE BANK TRYING TO UPGRADE INFRASTRUCTURE. WE'RE ABSOLUTELY INTERESTED IN TRYING TO TAKE ANY FEEDBACK IN PARTICULAR YOU MAY HAVE FOR OUR EXPANSION. >>COUN. PEÑA: I'D LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN SET UP A MEETING TO DISCUSS IT. I SEE THERE'S POTENTIAL IMPROVEMENT BUT WE STILL LACK, THE WEST SIDE AS A WHOLE, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC CONGESTION AND EMISSIONS, THOSE ACROSSING THE RIVER SHOULD WE A POINT OF EMPHASIS. JUST LOOKING AT THE MAP IT STILL SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE A LONG WAYS TO GO. AND SYMPATHIZE WITH OTHER COUNCILORS, BUT I'D LIKE TO SET OPMEETING BECAUSE IT'S NEEDING SOME WORK. THANK YOU. >>COUN. GROUT: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. ANY REASON WHY THERE'S NONE IN THE NORTHWEST AREA? DISTRICT FIVE. A LOT OF COMMUTERS IN THE AREA. I DON'T THINK I SEE ANYTHING IN THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT OF THE CITY. >> WE TRIED TO TARGET HEAVY FACILITIES THAT'S USED A LOT. COMMUNITY CENTERS LIBRARIES, WE IDENTIFIED THEM BASED ON PHASE TWO AND BEST PRACTICES FROM PHASE ONE. WHICH CAME UP WITH NORTH DOMINGO BACA AND SOUTHEAST AND SOUTHWEST. AND PHASE TWO IS A STUDY ANDWEAR TRYING TO STUDY THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND MAKE SURE HOW MANY STATIONS WE'RE GOING TO ADD IN THOSE AREAS. THIS IS JUST A PRELIMINARY STUDY ON WHERE WE ARE GOING TO LOCATE THEM. WE'RE GOING TO DO A DETAILED STUDY ON CONSTRUCTION COST AND WE MIGHT HAVE A FINAL LOCATION BY THE END OF THIS WEEK. >>COUN. LEWIS: INITIALLY, THERE'S 50,000 PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN DISTRICT FIVE IN THE NORTHWEST AREA. WHAT WOULD BE THE REASONING OR DATA THAT SHOWS INITIALLY YOU'RE NOT SHOWING ANY STATIONS IN THAT AREA? >> IN THE NORTH WASTE . >>COUN. LEWIS: IT'S NOT MY DISTRICT. IT'S PROBABLY THE ONLY DISTRICT THAT DOESN'T SHOW AN EV STATION. >> IT REALLY COMES DOWN THE AVAILABILITY OF SOME OF THE FACILITIES. IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CURRENT EV CHARGING STATIONS AND WHERE THEY'RE AT RIGHT NOW, WE'RE REALLY FOCUSED ON TRYING TO FILL IN THE INTERSTATE CORRIDORS. THEY'RE FOCUSED ON 25, AND ALSO 40 SITING. WHEN WE MOVE OUT WEST AND FOLLOW THE 40 LONG WE WERE STARTING TO RUN OUT OF OPTIONS IN TERMS OF FACILITIES THAT WE'RE ABLE TO QUALIFY FOR THE GRANT CRITERIA. SDMRL THAT . >>COUN. LEWIS: THAT GOES ALONG THE LINES OF EQUITABLE. WHEN YOU HAVE 50,000 PEOPLE IN THAT AREA AND MORE, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME OF THE REASONING AND LOGIC BEHIND THAT. WE'RE DEVELOPING THOSE SITES. >> ABSOLUTELY. WE'RE EXCITED FOR THE NEXT PHASE. I THINK THAT IS MORE FUNDING COMING DOWN FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. WE'RE ABLE TO LOOK AT MORE SITES AND APPLY FOR MORE SITES AND DO INFILL. THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT IS ON THE RADAR. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR BENTON. >>COUN. BENTON: YEAH, APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THERE ARE A BUNCH OF THEM IN DISTRICT TWO. THANK YOU FOR THAT. I THINK THAT'S ALSO HAS TO DO THE FACT THERE'S LOT OF PUBLIC FACILITIES IN DISTRICT TWO THAT MADE IT EASY TO INSTALL THEM. THAT BRINGS ME MY REAL QUESTION WHICH IS IT'S NICE TO HAVE CHARGING STATION AT THE ZOO. YOU CAN PROBABLY GET A GOOD CHARGE IN THE TIME YOU'RE GOING TO BE THERE AT THE ZOO. BUT, THE QUESTION HAS BEEN RAISED AND IN MY DISTRICT, ABOUT PLACING THEM NEAR HOUSING. AND THAT WE THINK ABOUT WHERE THEY NEED TO GO FROM THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT DISTRICT OR DEVELOPMENTS ALL OVER TOWN THAT YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO ASK THAT QUESTION ABOUT HOW THAT FITS INTO YOUR PLAN. >> I'M PLEASED TO SHARE, I'M GETTING A LITTLE BIT AHEAD OF OURSELVES BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING AN ANNOUNCEMENT IN THE COMING WEEKS. WE DID RECEIVE FUNDING FOR A LOW INCOME EV RIDE SHARE PROJECT. WE HAVE TWO AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS IDENTIFIED. ONE ON THE WEST SIDE AND ONE OVER I BELIEVE ON JACKSON AND CENTRAL. THE UPCOMING HIGHLAND APARTMENT COMPLEX. WHERE WILL SAY FROM A TECHNICAL STANDPOINT IT GETS TRICKY WHEN WE START GETTING INTO THE PRIVATE SECTOR. THIS ALLOWS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT AT AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS. OFTENTIMES FOR GRANTS WE'RE HAVING TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT RIGHTS OF WAY AND LEASES. THAT'S WHY OFTENTIMES CITY FACILITYERIZE VERY EASY OR DIRECT PATH FOR US TO GO DOWN. THE HOUSING, WE'RETERICING OUR FIRST STEPS IN THE HOUSING DIRECTION, FOR SURE. >>COUN. BENTON: WITH REGARD TO PRIVATELY OWNED PARCELS, I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE PUT THEM ON A PRIVATELY OWNED PURSEAL, -- PARCEL, BUT IF THERE IS ONE WITH 60 APARTMENTS, IT'S GOT A STREET SOMEWHERE NEAR IT, THAT COULD HAVE A CHARGING STATION. THAT A PUBLIC FACILITY. THAT'S A MATTER OF LOOKING AT THE DEMOGRAPHICS AND NUMBERS AND WHO MIGHT REALLY WANT TO BE USING THESE AND GET THE BIGGEST BANG FOR THE BUCK. THAT'S MY POINT. >>COUN. GROUT: COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. ON THAT MAP ALSO IN DISTRICT SEVEN THERE'S NO CHARGING STATIONS, I'M LOOKING AT THE PLUG SHARE APP. IT DOES LOOK LIKE THERE ARE, I KNOW THIS IN MY DISTRICT, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ALSO SOME IN THE OTHER DISTRICTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT ARE PRIVATELY DEVELOPED. I THINK IT MAY BE A HELPFUL THING BEFORE THE MEETING TO OVERLAY THE PRIVATELY DEVELOPED CHARGING STATIONS WITH THE CITY INFILL ON THAT SO YOU CAN SEE THE REAL PICTURE. THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH, BUT THERE ARE EXISTING CHARGING STATIONS AND IT LOOKS LIKE EVERY DISTRICT FROM THE PLUG SHARE APP. THINKING THROUGH THAT, I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE IN DISTRICT SEVEN BUT WE HAVE A QUITE A FEW PRIVATE ONES ALREADY. >>COUN. GROUT: COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. WITH MY DISTRICT THERE'S NO CHARGING STATIONS CURRENTLY. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COUNCILOR LEWIS AND I SHARE IS THE VERY LONG COORS CORRIDOR. WHICH IS TOTALLY NEGLECTED. I THINK IT'S REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B THERE NEEDS TO BE A CHARGING STATION, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE COMING DOWNTOWN OR TO WORK ON THE EAST SIDE. AND WE'RE TOTALLY NEGLECTING THAT AREA. I TOO WOULD LIKE TO SIT DOWN IN A MEETING THAT YOU HAVE WITH COUNCILOR PEÑA AND HOPEFULLY COUNCILOR DAVIS AND COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. IT LOOKS LIKE WE ALL NEED TO STATISTIC WITH YOU. THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: JUST -- I THINK WE MADE THE POINT. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. IT'S EXCITING THE WORK YOU'RE DOING AND BRINGING. I THINK JUST WORTH POINTING OUT THAT SOME OF THE AREAS WE'RE TALKING IN THE NORTHWEST AREA. KEEP IN MIND SMOFRT -- THE NORTHWEST TRANSIT CENTER IS A LARGE PUBLICLY OWNED FACILITY. WITH MANY BUILDINGS AND WE SERVE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THAT AREA. AGAIN, TALKING ABOUT EQUITY AND I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND I'M INTERESTED IN THE LOGIC AND DATA AS YOU'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH MANY OF THE LOCATIONS ARE GOING. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE IN MINE TOO. I'D EXCITED TO SEE THIS GO FORWARD. THANK YOU FOR FLENTATION. >> THANK YOU, COUNCILORS. WE'RE HAPPY THAT EVERYONE WANTS CHARGING STATIONS. >>COUN. GROUT: AT THIS TIME WE HAVE ADMINISTRATION QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS. FIRST, I'M GOING TO ASK MR. PRESIDENT TO MAKE A COMMENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. WE MENTIONED OUR RULES AND I'M GOING TO ASK THE GENTLEMAN UP AND FILM TO USE THE FILM LOCATION WHICH IS DOWN IN THE FRONT LOW ON THE LEFT AND TAKE A SEAT SO YOU'RE NOT DISRUPTING. WE'LL CONSIDER THIS YOUR FIRST WARNING. PLEASE TAKE A SEAT AND USE THE FILM AREAS DESIGNATED ON THE LEFT. DOWN HERE ON THE FRONT ROW RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE. THANK YOU, GENTLEMAN. >>COUN. GROUT: MR. PRESIDENT, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE ADMINISTRATION? COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, I SAW THERE WAS RELEASE REGARDING THE SAN MATEO AND CATHERINE SITE WHICH IS THE NEW HEADQUARTERS FOR ACS. I WANT AN UPDATE AS TO THE PROGRESS. WHAT IS THE PLAN WITH HOW IT COMPARES TO GIBSON. I KNOW ACS WORKS OUT OF THERE AND I HAVE A SCHEDULED TOUR. I'M WONDERING WHAT THE PROCESS IS, PROGRESS, AREEE BUILDING STILL? ARE WE RENOVATE SOMETHING WHAT ARE WE DOING TO CREATE A NEW PROPERTY FOR THIS AND IS IT REALLY NECESSARY? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN, I'LL HAVE MR. MONTOYA GIVE YOU AN UPDATE. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN, JUST A QUICK UPDATE. WE ACTUALLY BREAK GROUND APRIL 8th FOR THE FACILITY. THAT'S A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY ON THE SOUTH END OF THAT CAMPUS. IT'S FIVE ACRES TOTAL. AT THIS POINT THE SOUTH END, WILL BE ACS. DIRECTOR IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. IN THE MIDDLE OF THE COMPLEX WE FINISHED THE COURTYARD WHICH IS A TRUCK VENDING FOOD COURT AND WE'VE NOT MADE A FINAL DECISION ON THE NORTH END OF THE CAMPUS. WE MIGHT NEED FIRE STATION NUMBER 11. HOUSING IS A SECOND OPTION. YOU'VE HEARD FROM COUNCILOR DAVIS'S CONSTITUENTS THEY WANT RETAIL SPACE. AND A POCKET PARK OF SOME SORT. THE SITE WILL BE FULLY DEVELOPED WITHIN TWO AND A HALF TO THREE YEARS. ACS IS COMPLETED IN 18 MONTHS. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU, DIRECTOR. HOW THIS IS GOING TO IMPACT THE FLOODING AND THE POTENTIAL WE NEED TO DO WITH UPDATING? IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING WE HAVE POTENTIAL REQUIREMENTS THAT WE NEED TO UPGRADE THE FLOOD ZONES IN ALBUQUERQUE. AND BUILDING ON THIS PROPERTY BEFORE DOING THAT COULD BE NEGATIVE IMPACT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU UPIDATE US TO THAT. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN, WE HAVE ACTUALLY HAVE PROJECTS WE'RE WORKING WITH VERY CLOSELY. THE FIRST IS ZUNI PENNSYLVANIA. THAT IS ABOUT $10.5 MILLION FACILITY. THE CITY HAS HALF OF THE COST. THAT SHOULD GO TO CONSTRUCTION EARLY NEXT YEAR. WE HAVE ANOTHER SITE ON ALVARADO AND EASTERN CLOSE TO THE GIBSON CENTER. THAT PROPERTY IS OWNED BY THE CITY. WE'RE IN NEGOTIATIONS AND WE'LL HAVE THEM BUILD THE SITE AND THE CITY WILL MAINTAIN IT. THAT WILL ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE FLOODING IN COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN'S DISTRICT. BUT FOR THE MOST PART IT HAS -- IT RESOLVES SOME OF THE ISSUES WE IN THE AREA AND WORKING NORTHWEST OF THAT. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU, DIRECTOR. SO, I APPRECIATE THAT, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT SO FAR WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING OUR COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING LATER THIS WEEK AND IN THE COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE I MAKE SURE TO LEAVE FUNDING FOR THIS PROJECT. I REALIZE THEIR SIGNIFICANCE AND IMPORTANCE. WHETHER WE'RE LEAVING MUNARY OR ADDING MORE MONEY I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE MOVING FORWARD AND PROTECT BOTH ASPECTS. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN, ACS IS FULLY FUNDED. THAT'S A GOOD THING. WE HAVE$5 MILLION IN THE 2023 BOND PROGRAM FOR STORM WATER AND STORM DISCHARGE WATER. FOR THE ZUNI PENNSYLVANIA FUND. >>COUN. BASSAN: THAT YOU KNOW, DIRECTOR. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. THE QUESTION I HAVE IS I'M NOT SURE WHY WE NEED TO BE BUILDING A BRAND NEW ACS FACILITY WHEN OUR MAIN POLICE STATION IS HALF EMPTY. WE ALSO HAVE SUBSTATION ON MONTH -- AND SOUTH BROADWAY SUBSTATION IS HALF EMPTY. AND ALSO SINCE THE COUNTY LEFT THIS BUILDING IS HALF EMPTY. IT SOUNDS TO ME THERE'S PLENTY OF FACILITIES WITHOUT SPENDING MORE TAXPAYER MONEY TO GET THIS JOB DONE. AND I WANT TO KNOW WHY WE'RE NOT USING ANY OF THE OTHER FACILITIES TO TAKE CARE OF THAT SITUATION AND WHY WE'RE BUILDING A BRAND NEW ONE. >> GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL, COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, I THINK WE'RE ACTUALLY REALLY OPEN TO THAT. THE BUILDING WITH THE GO BOND IS SOMETHING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THAT'S AN AREA ALREADY HEAVILY IN BLIGHT. IF YOU PASS BY IT, IT'S GOING TO BE A TARGET FOR A LOT OF ISSUES WE'RE SEEING IN OTHER AREAS WHERE IT'S JUST OPEN SPACE. REALLY HONEST. IT'S ALREADY HAVING A LOT OF NEEDLES IN DIFFERENT AREAS WE NEED TO CLEAN UP EVERY YEAR. THAT'S A COMMUNITY AREA THAT WE ALSO GET ONE OF THE MOST VOLUME FOR CALLS FOR SERVICE. IT IS AN AREA WE FELT IT WAS EASY TO HAVE A HEADQUARTERS BECAUSE WE KNEW IT WAS AN AREA THAT NEEDED TO HAVE DIRECT AND FAST RESPONSE. ONE OF THE HOPES IS WE CAN TAKE OVER A COUPLE OF THOSE EMPTY SUBSTATIONS WHICH WILL BE MUCH CHEAPER. OUR TEAM IS ALREADY HEADED UP INTO THE HUNDREDS. I NEED TO HAVE SPACE AND SAFE SPACES TO BE ABLE TO WORK OUT OF AND TAKE NOTE AND HANDLE THEIR PERSONAL BUSINESS. THE ONE AT SAN MATEO WILL HAVE COMMUNITY SPACE FOR MEETINGS AND DIFFERENT THINGS. THE GIBSON HEALTH HUB IS TO GET US OUT OF DOWNTOWN WHICH IS NOT AN APPROACHABLE AND ACCESSIBLE PLACE FOR MANY PEOPLE. AND WE WANTED TO BE IN THE COMMUNITY. WE HAVE PLENTY OF SPACES FOR PARKING. WE HAVE A FLEET NOW. SPENDING $100 PER CAR WAS NOT SMART. GIBSON, THAT SPACE I THINK DIRECTOR PIERCE CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT THE FUTURE OF THAT EDUCATION IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE. WE HAVE ALREADY OUTGROWN IT. I'VE GOT TWO OR THREE STAFF MEMBERS BUNKERED UP IN THE OFFICES. WE DON'T OFFER THAT DIRECT SERVICE THAT GATE A WAY IS MEANT TO BE OFFERING. WE'RE OUT IN THE FIELD. WE NEED A HUB, THAT ME AND MY TEAM, AND YOU AS AN OFFICER, YOU NEED A SPACE THAT YOU CAN DECOMPRESS, YOU CAN REFLECT, YOU CAN JOT YOUR NOTES DOWN AND FEEL SAFE IN TO GET SOME PEACE AND GET OUT IN THE FIELD. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. I HOPE THE ADMINISTRATION IS LISTENING BECAUSE ALSO THE FACT THAT WE'RE SO DOWN ON OFFICERS, IF YOU WALK INTO A POLICE SUBSTATION, IT'S BASICALLY A GHOST TOWN. THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM OTHER THAN BUYING ANOTHER FACILITY OR BUILDING ANOTHER FACILITY. WE NEED TO BE A LITTLE BIT BETTER WHEN WE UTILIZE THESE FACILITIES BECAUSE WHAT'S THE USE OF JUST BUILDING FACILITIES WHEN WE'RE NOT EVEN PUTTING THE MANPOWER IN THESE FACILITIES? I KNOW FOR A FACT I'VE WALKED INTO THE SUBITATION NOT TOO LONG AGO IN MY DISTRICT AND THERE'S NOBODY IN THE SUBSTATION. NOBODY AT ALL. EXCEPT FOR THE OFFICER THAT WALKED ME THROUGH. NOBODY WAS IN THERE. THERE WAS NOBODY DOING PAPERWORK. ALL THE OFFICERS WERE ANSWERING CALLS FOR SERVICE. THE BRIEFING ROOM, WHEN I WAS A POLICE OFFICER THERE WAS 50 PEOPLE IN A BRIEFING ROOM. NOW THE BRIEFING ROOM ONLY HOLDS 20 PEOPLE. THERE'S PLENTY OF FACILITIES TO DEAL WITH. THERE'S ACTUALLY BIG GYMS IN THESE FACILITIES. BEFORE WE DIDN'T HAVE GYMS, WE WERE WORRIED ABOUT OFFICERS BEING ABLE TO DO THEIR JOBS. NOW THESE BUILDINGS ARE BILY -- BASICALLY EMPTY. I HOPE THEY GO OUT THERE AND SEE THERE'S NO SENSE IN SPENDING EXTRA MONEY BUILDING A WHOLE OTHER ACS FACILITY WHEN WE ALREADY HAVE THE FACILITIES IN PLACE TO TAKE CARE OF THIS. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR? COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: DIRECTOR, WHERE ARE YOU ON HIRING THE PERSONNEL WE BUMTHED -- BUDGETED FOR? >> WITH OUR MID-YEAR PROJECTIONS WE'RE OVER 50% HIRING. WE HAD TO DO CHANGES TO THE BUDGET BUT WAS ABLE TO GET FUNDING. WE WANT TO GO 24-7. BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME OF THE FUNDING GIVEN TO US EARLY ON WENT INTO THE RESERVE POT WE WERE ABLE TO FILL ALL OF THE POSITIONS AND NOW WE'RE ASKING TO MAKE THAT NEXT LEVEL. WE THINK WE'RE ABLE TO BESTUFFED UP OVER THE NEXT QUARTER AND GOING INTO THE JUNE. ABOUT 120 EMPLOYEES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YOU HAVE A REPORT COMING THIS YEAR? WHEN DOES THAT COME OUT? >> IN SEPTEMBER, IT WILL BE TWO YEARS IN SEPTEMBER. BARELY TWO YEARS. IT'S A BRAND NEW DEPARTMENT. EACH OF YOU GETS MONTHLY REPORT WE SEND OUT. I WILL SAY OUR CALLS FOR SERVICE HAVE BEEN STRONG. THE KIND OF CALLS WE'RE GETTING ARE GREAT. I WILL TELL YOU FROM A NATIONAL PERSPECTIVE THIS IS STILL ONE OF THE BEST DEPARTMENTS NATION WIDE. >>COUN. LEWIS: YOUR ANNUAL YOU PUT OUT, WE'RE ABOUT DUE FOR THAT. >> THE ANNUAL REPORT WENT OUT. IT WAS A STRATEGY REPORT. THAT WENT OUT IN DECEMBER 2021. WE'RE STILL UP FOR ANOTHER ONE IN A LITTLE BIT. YOU'LL SEE THAT. >>COUN. LEWIS: ALL RIGHT. UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I JUST HAD -- I ACTUALLY WANTED TO THANK -- WE HAD A REALLY GOOD CELEBRATION OF A NEW ROAD THAT WAS COMPLETED ON THE WEST SIDE. I WANTED TO THANK DIRECTOR MONTOYA AND HIS TEAM AND ADMINISTRATION. THE MAYOR AND THE ADMINISTRATION REALLY SUPPORTED THIS PROJECT OF WEST SIDE BOULEVARD. $10 MILLION PROJECT AND HAD THE HONOR OF OPENING THAT ROAD OFFICIALLY ON FRIDAY. SO, APPRECIATE THAT. THE PROJECT SPAN MANY YEARS. I THINK MANY OF YOU HAD A PART IN FUNDING THAT IN SOME WAY. I WANT TO THANK THE COUNCIL FOR SUPPORTING IT. IT SPANS MULTIPLE ADMINISTRATIONS AND MY PREDECESSOR THAT SUPPORTED THE PROJECT AS WELL. IT'S A GREAT ROADWAY. FOUR-LANE ROADWAY FROM 528 WHERE INTEL AND GOES ALL THE WAY TO RUST HOSPITAL. IT'S A GREAT AREA. IT'S IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE CITY. IT'S A MAIN ARTERIAL ROADWAY. IT WILL HELP A LOT OF TRAFFIC GOING INTO NEIGHBORHOODS, THAT TRAFFIC WILL GO ON WHERE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO GO TOO. LOT TO CELEBRATE THERE. I WANT TO THANK THE ADMINISTRATION FOR YOUR SUPPORT ON THE PROJECT. MANY PEOPLE ON THE DMD THAT MADE THAT PROJECT HAPPEN. IT TAKES A LOT OF PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO BUILD A BIG ROAD LIKE THAT. WE'RE EXCITED TO DO MORE AND CERTAINLY THE COUNCIL'S SUPPORT FOR UNSER AND PASEO THIS LAST YEAR AND LEGISLATIVE SUPPORT THIS YEAR I THINK WE'RE FUNDED AND GOING TO BE FUNDED FOR UNSER AND PASEO WHICH IS ANOTHER BIG STRATEGY IN THAT AREA. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. CONGRATULATIONS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR ALAN BARELA AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I WANTED TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT A LITTLE BIT. HOW MANY PERMIT APPLICATIONS ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION RIGHT NOW? >> WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, I DO WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I BROUGHT WITH ME A GENTLEMAN WHO YOU HAVEN'T MET BEFORE. DEAN IS OUR ASSISTANT BUILDING SAFETY MANAGER FOR THE WHOLE GROUP DOWN THERE. DEAN HAS HEADED UP OUR PLAN REVIEW SECTION FOR QUITE SOME TIME. VERY SOPHISTICATED AND HIGHLY QUALIFIED FASHION. OUR PERMIT PERSON RETIRED A FEW WEEKS AGO. HE'S FILLING IN THAT ROLE, THERE'S A -- THE PLAN REVIEW IS THE INVISIBLE PORTION OF ISSUING A PERMIT. A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY I SUBMITTED FOR A PERMIT AND IT'S TAKING FOREVER. IT ISN'T BECAUSE THERE'S CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS THAT NEED TO BE COMPLETED, IT'S BECAUSE LOT OF ITEMS ARE GOING THROUGH PLAN REVIEW. WE'RE COMING UP WITH ADDITIONAL PROCESS IMPROVEMENTS. FOR EXAMPLE, IT LOOKS LIKE SOME OF THE SPACE DOWNSTAIRS AT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WILL BE VACATED. AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE PERMIT REVIEW FOLKS ALONG THE PLAN REVIEW PEOPLE ON THE SAME FLOOR SO THEY CAN CAN START WORKING TOGETHER AND CROSS TRAINING. WE DID LOOK AT THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU SENT TODAY. JUST SINCE FEBRUARY 1 ALONE, UP UNTIL NOW, JUST IN ONE MONTH WE'VE HAD 171 BUILDING PERMITS SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW. 101 OF THOSE IN THE LAST MONTH ARE FOR HOUSING. THAT'S JUST SUBMITTED IN THE LAST MONTH. >>COUN. GROUT: OKAY. HOW MANY OF THESE -- HOW MANY UNITS DO THESE PENDING PROJECTS REPRESENT? >> OF THOSE FOR HOUSING, THEY REPRESENT 101 WHICH ARE FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY APPLICATION IN THE LAST MONTH FOR APARTMENT COMPLEX FOR MULTI-FAMILY. HOWEVER WE HAVE SEVERAL OF THOSE IN THE WORKS AND ON THE CUSP OF FINALIZING THE REVIEWS AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE ISSUED. THOSE REPRESENT THOSE OVER 500 UNITS WHICH SHOULD RECEIVE PURPT FOR THE APARTMENTS SOMETIME IN THE NEXT ONE TO TWO MONTHS. >>COUN. GROUT: WE'RE IN HOUSING SHORTAGE, WE'VE HEARD THAT, RIGHT? WHAT ARE THE BIGGEST BARRIERS TO GETTING THE PERMITS ? >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR GROUT, THE LARGEST BARRIERS TO GETTING PERMITS ARE PEOPLE APPLYING FOR THEM. I THINK IT'S THE RISING INTEREST RATES THAT HAVE REALLY SLOWED THINGS DOWN OVER THE LAST NINE MONTHS. FOR EXAMPLE LAST FISCAL YEAR, THERE WERE PERMITS ISSUED FOR OVER 1,500 MULTI-FAMILY. 664 RESIDENTIAL. HOWEVER, WE'RE REALLY SEEING THAT COME ALMOST TO A HALT DURING THE LAST SEVEN TO NINE MONTHS. THAT'S COINCIDING WITH THE INTEREST RATES. THE LARGEST IMPEDIMENT HAS BEEN THE ECONOMY. >>COUN. GROUT: OKAY. WHAT ARE WAYS YOU'RE LOOKING TO STREAMLINE THE PROCESS TO GET PERMITS THROUGH? >> WE'RE DOING CROSS TRAINING BETWEEN THE PLAN REVIEWERS AND THE PERMIT REVIEWERS. SO THEY CAN COVER FOR EACH OTHER SO THEY CAN SEE WHAT EACH OTHER DOES AND THEY CAN ACTUALLY HELP MAN THE FRONT DESK TOGETHER. WE ALSO RECLASSIFIED, WE HAD A HANDFUL, FIVE PLANNING ASSISTANT POSITIONS THAT IT TOOK QUITE SOME TIME BECAUSE IT STARTED BEFORE I GOT TO THE DEPARTMENT TO RECLASSIFY THOSE AS PERMIT TECHNICIANS. I'M GLAD TO SAY WE FINISHED THAT CLASSIFICATION THAT INVOLVED UNION CONVERSATION AND CENTRAL HR AND THOSE ARE ALL POSTED. THAT'S GOING TO PROVIDE A CAREER LADDER FOR THOSE THAT GET INTO THE PERMIT REVIEW THAT DIDN'T EXIST BEFORE. WE'RE STARTING NOW THAT WE'VE POSTED THOSE. WE'RE STARTING TO SEE APPLICATIONS COMING THROUGH. IT WOULD BE PERMIT TECHES ONE, TWO, AND THREE. >>COUN. GROUT: THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR. HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT USING OUTSIDE CONTRACTORS? >> RIGHT NOW, THE CURRENT UAC, DOES ALLOW FOR THIRD PARTY RUVIEW. IF A PRIVATE CONTRACTOR IS WILLING TO PAY EXTRA, LIKE WHEN YOU GO TO MVD EXPRESS, THOSE PROGRAMS ARE CERTIFIED BY THE GOVERNMENT AS BEING EQUALLY QUALIFIED TO ISSUE DRIVER'S LICENSE OR REGISTRATION, PEOPLE CAN GO THROUGH SECTION 110.4 FOR UAC FOR THIRD-PARDI -- PARTY REVIEW. >>COUN. GROUT: DO YOU HAVE ALL THE TOOLS YOU NEED TO GET YOUR JOB DONE? >> I BELIEVE WE DO. WE JUST HAD THE CONVERSATION OVER THE PAST COUPLE WEEKS BECAUSE WE'RE DEVELOPING OUR BUDGET REQUEST AND IN THE PLANNING SECTION, THEIER ANSWER YES. WHEN IT COMES TO THE INSPECTION WE'RE CONDUCTING 99% INSPECTION WITHIN NINE BUSINESS DAYS. BUT WE'RE ASKING FOR TWO ELECTRICAL INSPECTORS. WE'RE IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE ADMINISTRATIVE BRANCH AND HOPEFULLY THOSE WILL SURVIVE AND YOU'LL SEE THOSE IN THE BUDGET REQUEST. >>COUN. GROUT: WHAT ARE THE STARTING SALARIES FOR YOUR DIVISION? >> IN THAT PARTICULAR DIVISION STARTING SALARIES ARE IN THE -- AND HE HAS DETAILS FOR THAT. I DON'T WANT TO MISSPEAK ON THAT. >> PERMIT TECH ONE START AT $14.79 AN HOUR. PERMIT TECH TWO AT $18.13. AND TECH THREE ARE $20.89. WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT POSITIONS FOR PLANNING REVIEW. THERE'S M CLASSIFIED. THEY'RE A PLAN ANALYST. THAT ONE IS AT $22.97. WE CURRENTLY HAVE TWO FULL-TIME AND ONE PART-TIME IN THAT POSITION. PLANS EXAMINERS, WE IS SIX FULL-TIME. AND THOSE ARE $22.86 AN HOUR. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THAT. HAVE YOU DONE COST COMPARISON BETWEEN OTHER CITIES AND OURS? ARE THEY COMPARABLE? >> NO. WE HAVE NOT. I'LL LET DIRECTOR ANSWER THAT. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, THAT IS NOT BEEN AN AREA WHERE WE'VE HAD A HARD TIME TO APPLY. UNLIKE THE ENGINEERING SECTION, WHERE A FEDERAL ANALYSIS THAT GETS DONE IT CAN TAKE UP TO A YEAR. AND BY THEN IT'S OUT DATED. THE OTHER AREA IS WE'RE PLANNERS. WE HAVE FOUND THAT THERE ARE OVER 5 PLANNERS IN ANY CATEGORY THROUGHOUT THE CITY. WHEN I TRY TO DO SOMETHING AND MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT AT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, THROUGH MY FIVE TO TEN PEOPLE, AS THIS MASSIVE TIDAL WAVE EFFECT THROUGHOUT THE CITY. WE'RE HELD BACK FROM MAKING THOSE ADJUSTMENTS IN A QUICK MANNER. IN THIS PARTICULAR DIVISION, WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM HIRING FOLKS. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR GROUT. IT JUST BRINGS UP SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED WITH ONE OF MY COSTIP -- CONSTITUENTS. HE TRIED TO LOG ONLINE AND GET HIS CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. HE HAD TROUBLE WITH THE WEBSITE. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE ISSUE WAS. HE ENDED UP MAKING A PHONE CALL AND NO ONE ANSWERED THE PHONE. WHEN HE TRIED TO GET SOMEBODY TO ELSE, HE CALLED MORE THAN ONCE, HE COULDN'T GET THROUGH. AND THEN HE CAME DOWN TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND WALKED INTO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND ALL HE FOUND WAS ONE PERSON IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT THAT DIDN'T HAVE ANY ANSWERS FOR HIM. IT WAS A FEMALE, HE DIDN'T SAY HER NAME OR ANYTHING. HE CALLED ME RIGHT AFTER THAT UPSET THAT PEOPLE AREN'T WORKING AND HE WAS TOLD THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT DOESN'T REQUIRE INDIVIDUALS TO BE AT WORK EVERY SINGLE DAY. THEY CAN TAKE CERTAIN DAYS OFF WHEN THEY WANT, OR CERTAIN DAYS OFF DURING THE WEEK. AND WORK FROM HOME. THINGS LIKE THAT. WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS, IS THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT FULLY STAFFED AND ARE WE ABLE TO WALK INTO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND SPEAK TO SOMEBODY WHO CAN READILY ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS? ON THAT DAY HE WAS NOT ABLE TO. IF YOU NEED HIS INFORMATION AND PHONE NUMBER, HE'S GLADLY WILLING TO GIVE IT TO YOU AND TELL YOU HIS EXPERIENCE. >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT CERTAINLY IS A DIVISION IS RELATIVELY WELL-STAFFED. OTHER THAN THE FACT WE HAVE FIVE OPENINGS FOR PERMIT TECHS. THEY WILL HELP AT THE FRONT DESK. THAT SHOULD NOT BE THE CASE. PLEASE TELL ME THAT PERSON'S PERMIT NUMBER AND WE CAN TRACK IT DOWN AND FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED. IF THEY WERE COMING IN FOR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, THAT MEANS THEY PASSED ALL THE INSPECTIONS AND THEY'RE AT THE TAIL END. THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THEY ACCESS ONLINE. YOU ALL ARE VERY, VERY UNDERSTANDING AND PROVIDING RESOURCES FOR LAST YEAR TO REPLACE OUR SOFTWARE SYSTEM WHICH YOU'VE HEARD ME TALK ABOUT ENDLESSLY. IT'S OFF THE SHELF MISFIT PURCHASED YEARS AGO. WE'VE COMPLETED RFP PROCESS AND STARTED THE CONVERSION TO THE NEW ONE TO DO IT RIGHT. LAST TIME IT WASN'T DONE RIGHT. THE DATE OF THAT IS SEPTEMBER OF NEXT YEAR WITH THE TECHNOLOGY SYSTEM WHICH WILL BE STATE OF THE ART. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO KEEP UP WITH THE UPDATES THAT THE MANUFACTURE PROVIDES. I THINK, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, THAT IS GOING TO GET A WHOLE LOT BETTER. DURING MY TENURE. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN FEES FROM A THIRD-PARTY APPROVED PLANNING PERSON? HOW MUCH MORE IS AN INDIVIDUAL GOING TO HAVE TO PAY? OR IS THAT BASED ON THE DEVELOPMENT OR WHATEVER THE ISSUE MIGHT BE? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, YOU'RE ENTIRELY CORRECT, IT WILL DEPEND ON THE NATURE OF WHAT THEY'RE HIRED TO DO. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: CAN YOU GIVE ME A PERCENTAGE THAT'S MAYBE ACROSS THE BOARD THAT TELLS US WHAT THE ACTUAL HIGHER PERCENTAGE WOULD BE BASED ON THE EXTRA FEE THEY PAY THE THIRD-PARTY INDIVIDUAL? >> I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION WITH ME RIGHT NOW. WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. THE WHOLE TIME I'VE BEEN A CITY COUNCILLOR I'VE HEARD FROM ALL OF THE DEVELOPER FRIENDS THAT THEY ALWAYS RUN INTO PROBLEMS, HAVE YOU BEEN GETTING WITH THE DEVELOPER FOLKS AND MAKING SURE THEIR PROCESSES ARE STREAMLINED. ESPECIALLY NOW WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I KNOW THE DEVELOPERS ARE ON BOARD WITH THIS. THEY WANT TO SEE MORE HOUSING AND BUILDING IN NEW MEXICO. I KNOW IN THE PAST AND AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN ON CITY COUNCIL I'VE BEEN HEARING THAT THERE IS SOME ROADBLOCKS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE WORKING WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE ABLE TO WORK -- ACTUALLY BE TIMELY WHEN THEY'RE BUILDING THE STRUCTURES. >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, THE ANSWER IS YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. I'M SURE THEY'LL BE GETTING WITH ME AFTER THIS. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. DIRECTOR, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I NEVER THOUGHT WHEN I GOT TO CITY COUNCIL I WOULD BE MOST EXCITED ABOUT A NEW PLAN PERMIT SOFTWARE. BUT I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT WHATEVER FOLLOWS. I'M VERY EXCITED TO HEAR THAT WE'RE DOING THAT RIGHT. I THINK ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM AND I'LL USE AS THINGS ARE COMING BACK OUT OF COVID WE HAVE LOTS OF BRICK AND MOTORS CATCHING UP ON BUSINESS REGISTRATION AND TRYING TO PAY FEES WE HAVE NEW FIRE INSPECTION FEES. AND AS YOU MENTIONED THE PERMITTING AND PLAN REVIEW HASN'T ALWAYS PLAYED NICE WITH EACH OTHER. AT LEAST IN TERMS OF SOFTWARE AND HOW THINGS COMMUNICATE. IT HAS GOTTEN A LOT BETTER, DIRECTOR, THANK YOU, ESPECIALLY IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS. I THINK PART OF THAT -- I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. YOU'VE ANSWERED, EVERY TIME I CALLED TO ASK FOR HOW TO HELP A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER ON CENTRAL FOR EXAMPLE GET THEIR PERMITS FILED IN THAT RIGHT ORDER, YOU'VE FOUND SOMEBODY TO HELP US DO THAT. IT IS CHALLENGING YOU HAVE TO DO THAT SOMETIMES. AND THANK YOU ePLAN IS OVERWHELMED WITH BUILDING PERMITS. WE KNOW THAT. AND EVERY TIME SOMEBODY HAS A COMMENT IT HAS TO GO TO THE BACK OF THE LINE AND START ALL OVER AGAIN. I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT TO SEE HOW WE CAN FIGURE THIS OUT. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CHALLENGES SUS IF YOU GO TO PLANNING DEPARTMENT, IF YOU'RE NOT AN ARCHITECT OR PROFESSIONAL, AND I'M NOT, BUT I HAVE FOLKS THAT COME TO US AND BUSINESS THINGS THAT I DON'T GET TO PARTICIPATE IN. IT'S OFTEN HARD TO UNDERSTAND WHICH PERMITS GOES IN WHAT ORDER AND HOW TO SUBMIT IT. I KNOW CANNABIS STUFF, MOST CLOSELY, AND I HEAR FROM CLIENTS BECAUSE I DON'T PARTICIPATE IN THOSE. IT'S NOT REALLY CLEAR. WHERE DOES THE ODOR CLAIM GO? OR WHEN DO YOU APPLY FOR THE PERMIT VERSUS THE BUSINESS REGISTRATION AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. WHEN WE BUILD THAT SYSTEM OUT, MY HOPE IS DEVELOP PLAIN ENGLISH GUIDE FOR THE COMMON FOLKS TO WORK ON THAT. AT THE END OF THE DAY THESE FACILITIES NEED CONTRACTORS AND ARCHITECTS THAT DO THIS PROFESSIONALLY. WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO DO YOUR OWN PROJECT OR DO YOUR OWN BUSINESS IT'S NOT EASY TO FIGURE THAT OUT. SOMETIMES. I WILL SAY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IN MY EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN INCREDIBLY RESPONSIVE WHEN PEOPLE CALLED FOR HELP AND SCHEDULED AN APPOINTMENT. I HOPE WE CAN BE TRANSPARENT HAVING PEOPLE NOT SUBMIT THE WRONG PLAN OR FILL OUT THE FORM INCORRECTLY BECAUSE IT HOLDS YOUR STAFF UP. I'M GRATEFUL FOR THE PROGRESS YOU MADE. I LOOK FORWARD TO IT. THANK YOU. >> TO LET YOU KNOW OUR PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER FOR THE LAST THREE NIGHTS HAS WORKED WITH THE CENTRAL TECHNOLOGY DEPARTMENT TO OPTIMIZE THE EFFICIENCY OF THE WEBSITE OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. IT'S A WEBSITE THAT HAS DOZENS AND DOZENS PERHAPS EVEN HUNDREDS OF PAGES OVER THE YEARS. WE'RE GOING THROUGH AND LOOKING AT WHERE PEOPLE ACTUALLY CLICK ON FIRST AND WHAT THEY CLICK ON MOST OFTEN. WE'RE GOING TO GET RID OF A LOT OF INFORMATION. WE'RE SETTING UP THE DECISION TREE AND REVAMPED NOW, I'M SUPPOSED TO REVIEW A COPY WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH AND WE'LL DELIVER THE SHOCKING NEWS TO ALL OF THE STAFF MEMBERS WHO I'M SURE THOSE PAGES ARE NEAR AND DEAR TO THE PUBLIC HEARTS BUT NOT THE PUBLIC'S. WE'LL PROBABLY GET RID OF THEM. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS BUT THEY'RE JUST ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. I DON'T KNOW IF I BRING THEM UP THEN OR NOW? >>COUN. GROUT: WAIT UNTIL THE CONSENT AGENDA. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: OKAY, I'LL WAIT. >>COUN. GROUT: OKAY I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE FEBRUARY 22nd JOURNAL. SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. EVERYBODY'S HERE. ALL IN FAVOR VOTE WITH YOUR HAND UP. OPPOSE? THAT PASSES. MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. GREAT JOB AS ALWAYS. THANK YOU, COUNCILORS, AND ADMINISTRATION. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE MOVING TO COMMUNICATIONS AND INTRODUCTIONS. ANY CHANGES TO THE LETTER OF INTRODUCTION? THE ONLY ONE I HAVE IS ARE QUEST WE MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR PLACING EC257. THAT'S THE MAYORERS -- MAYOR'S APPOINTMENT. IS THERE A SECOND? SEVERAL SECONDS. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN I SAW FIRST. DO WE KNOW WHY THIS IS IMMEDIATE ACTION? >> MR. PRESIDENT, IT'S A QUESTION OF LOOKING AT THE MEMBERSHIP OF THE COMMITTEE. WE CONSULTED WITH COUNCILOR SANCHEZ ABOUT OUR INTEREST IN TRYING TO GET THE MEMBERSHIP UP TO SPEED ON PROJECTS, ET CETERA. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILORS, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR TO ALLOW THE ITEM FOR IMMEDIATE ACTION SAY YES. RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT ITEM CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. GROUT: MR. PRESIDENT, I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE LETTER OF INTRODUCTION. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES. RAISE YOUR HAND. I'M USED TO WAITING ON ZOOM CALLS. IT'S NICE TO HAVE EVERYBODY BACK. THAT MATTER CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. COUNCILORS, WE DON'T HAVE REPORTS OF COMMITTEES. WE HAVE DEFERRALS AND WITHDRAWALS. ANY DEFERRALS OR WITHDRAWALS? COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: MR. PRESIDENT, EVERYBODY I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT WE APPOINTED A BUNCH OF PEOPLE TO DIFFERENT BOARDS, IS THAT CORRECT? >>COUN. DAVIS: WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO CONSENT AGENDA. >>COUN. LEWIS: ALL RIGHT. I THOUGHT WE WOULD HAVE DISCUSSIONS. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE WILL. WE ARE NOW ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. COUNCILOR LEWIS, DO YOU WANT TO TAKE US FIRST? ANY CHANGES TO THE CONSENT? >>COUN. LEWIS: MR. PRESIDENT, NO. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANY OTHER CHANGES TO CONSENT. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. I JUST HAD A QUESTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA WHERE IT RELATES TO THE -- TO LEGAL DEPARTMENTS QUARTER LITIGATION REPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: IF IT'S OKAY, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PULL THAT ITEM OFF, IS THAT FOR FURTHER FOLLOW UP? OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO REMOVE THAT ITEM FROM CONSENT. ANY OTHER ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? SEEING NONE. WE REMIND EVERYBODY AND SAY THANK YOU TO THOSE OF YOU ON THE AGENDA, WE HAVE A WHOLE SLEW OF FOLKS APPOINTED TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. THANK YOU TO THE COUNCILORS AND COMMISSION WORKING HARD TO FILL THOSE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS TO DO THE HARD WORK. WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SERVE. DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? >>COUN. GROUT: I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. >>COUN. DAVIS: MULTIPLE SECONDS. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I JUST WANTED TO ASK THE ADMINISTRATION. IT'S IN REFERENCE -- YOU JUST TRIGGERED MY MEMORY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LAST ITEM THAT WE VOTED FOR. WHAT IT WAS IS I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS AWARE THAT I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO PLACE SOMEBODY ON TO THE ARTS BOARD SINCE I BECAME A CITY COUNCILLOR AND I'VE HAD TROUBLE WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE IN GETTING IT DONE. I HAVE TRIED TO WORK THIS OUT WITHOUT BRINGING IT TO THE PUBLIC EYE. IT'S TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S ALREADY BEEN A YEAR AND TWO MONTHS. WE LOST SOMEBODY BECAUSE THEY LOST INTEREST AFTER I SUBMITTED THEIR NAME AND IT NEVER GOT APPROVED. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF IT. TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THESE KINDS -- WHY COULD IT HAPPEN SO QUICKLY WITH THIS INDIVIDUAL AND NOT WITH THE LAST INDIVIDUAL THAT I WAS TRYING TO PUT ON THE ARTS BOARD. THAT'S THE QUESTION I HAVE. HELEN DOES KNOW WHO I'M TALKING ABOUT. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, LET ME VISIT WITH MS. MAESTAS AND SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING. I'D GO HAPPY TO GET BACK WITH YOU NEXT WEEK. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, I BELIEVE YOU PULLED ITEM C. THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT QUARTERLY LITIGATION REPORT. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. DO YOU HAVE A MOTION OR A DISCUSSION? GO AHEAD, SIR. THE ITEM IS YOURS. DO YOU WANT TO MOVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? OR JUST START A CONVERSATION? >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I JUST WANT TO START A CONVERSATION. I JUST WANTED TO ASK A QUICK QUESTION IN REFERENCE TO THIS. I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHAT PUBLIC INFOIS OUT THERE IN REFERENCE TO THE $400,000 TAXPAYER EMPLOYMENT WHISTLE BLOWER ACT? >> COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, I WOULD SAY THERE'S PROBABLY NOT THAT PUBLIC INFORMATION THAT I CAN SHARE TONIGHT. OUR SETTLEMENT DEPARTMENT IS BASE ON THE LEGAL ASSESSMENT RISK TO THE CITY. WE NEGOTIATE THE SETTLEMENT BASED ON THE POTENTIAL RISK. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: LOOKING AT THIS AND BEING A LONGTIME CITY EMPLOYEE, WAS THERE A LAWSUIT FILED? >> NO, THERE WAS NOT. THERE WAS A CLAIM MADE. BUT THERE WAS NOT A LAWSUIT FILED. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: AS A COUNCILOR, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE LARGE AMOUNT OF TAXPAYER MONEY, THE CITIZEN'S MONEY, AND WHERE IT GOES. ARE WE IN THE BUSINESS OF PAYING THIS KIND OF MONEY OUT WITHOUT INDIVIDUALING FILING A LAWSUIT? >> COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, WE SOMETIMES SETTLE CASES BEFORE SOMEONE FILES A LAWSUIT WHEN WE THINK IT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY. IT DOESN'T HAPPEN VERY OFTEN. SOMETIMES ENCOURAGE THE CITY TO DO THAT BECAUSE YOU COME UP WITH THE MOST REASONABLE NUMBER THAT WAY. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: BECAUSE THIS IS AN EXTREMELY LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY AND WHATEVER THIS EMPLOYEE DID THAT CAUSED THIS LOSS TO THE CITY, I DON'T KNOW, I THINK SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT, IT'S JUST CONCERNING TO ME AS A COUNCILOR WHY $400,000 GOES OUT ON WHISTLE PROTECTION LAWSUIT AND NOBODY HEARD ABOUT IT. I'M REALLY CONCERNED. I'M HOPING THE ADMINISTRATION IS DOING THEIR JOB CORRECTLY IN REFERENCE TO THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. THIS REALLY STOOD OUT TO ME. >> UNDERSTOOD. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, WITH THAT YOU PULLED THE ITEM. DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE? >>COUN. SANCHEZ: WE CAN MAKE AN ITEM TO APPROVE. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE CITIZENS OF ALBUQUERQUE KNOW THAT THERE IS VERY BIG LAWSUIT OUT THERE THAT. SOMEBODY MUST HAVE DUP SOMEBODY PRETTY HEAVY DUTY IN ORDER TO MEAN THIS KIND OF A LAWSUIT. IT'S CONCERNING TO ME. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE CITIZENS OF ALBUQUERQUE KNOW AND THE OTHER COUNCILORS ARE KEEPING AN EYE ON IT AS WELL. >>COUN. DAVIS: I THINK THAT WAS A MOTION. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN OFFERED A SECOND. ON THE MATTER OF EC -- WE HAVE MOTION TO APPROVE OR RECEIPT BE NOTED. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANY OPPOSED? THAT ITEM -- COUNCILOR LEWIS. IS THAT OPPOSITION? >>COUN. LEWIS: THAT VOTE IS OVER. WE JUST CONFIRMED AND APPOINTED VARIOUS GROUP OF PEOPLE TO DIFFERENT COMMITTEES, I JUST WANT TO CONGRATULATE THEM AND THANK THEM FOR SERVING. ONE OF THEM WAS MR. COPOLLA. THAT'S A BOARD THAT IS PROBABLY THE MOST TIME-CONSUMING BOARD OF ANY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. I WANT TO THANK HIM AND WE GOT SOMEBODY WHO IS REALLY GOING TO SERVE US WELL ON THAT BOARD. THANKS TO EVERYONE ELSE. I KNOW WE HAVE A NUMBER OF COMMISSIONS AND BOARDS. I HAVE SEVERAL, THREE OR FOUR, POIRMENTS -- POIRMENTS FWHEED . >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR LEWIS. NEXT WE HAVE ANNOUNCEMENTS. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THERE WILL BE AFIANCE AND GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS COMMITTEE MEETING ON MONDAY MARCH 13 AT 5 P.M. VIA ZOOM VIDEO CONFERENCE. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THERE'S A LAND USE PLANNING ZONING MEETING ON WEDNESDAY MARCH 15 AT 5 P.M. IN THE COUNCIL COMMITTEE ROOM ON THE NINE FLOOR. THAT'S A HYBRID MEETING. THERE'S INTERGOVERNMENTAL LEGISLATIVE RELATIONS MEETING ON FRIDAY MARCH 10 AND 17 AT 3 P.M. VIA ZOOM. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, THERE'S A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE ON THURSDAY MARCH 9 AT 5 P.M. IN THE VINCENT E. GRIEGO CHAMBERS. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. ANY OTHER ANNOUNCEMENTS? THERE'S ALSO, I BELIEVE COUNCILOR BASSAN, THERE'S A MEETING -- >>COUN. BASSAN: NO, MR. PRESIDENT. I DON'T THINK THAT'S HAPPENING. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: ALWAYS ASK THE BOSS. THANK YOU. ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS ? SEEING NONE. OUR NEXT IS FINANCIAL -- NEXT WE HAVE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HAVE HAD THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE LIVE PUBLIC COMMENT TO YOUR CITY COUNCIL IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY. IF YOU SIGNED FOR COMMENT PERTHE INSTRUCTIONS PUBLISH OND THE AGENDA. HERE ARE GROUND RULES. WE'LL ASK YOU TO PAY ATTENTION. EACH PARTICIPANT HAS UP TO TWO MINUTES TO PRESENT. YOUR COMMENTS MUST BE ADDRESSED TO THE CITY COUNCIL ONLY THROUGH THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT. THAT MEANS NO COMMENTS TO THE PUBLIC OR TO THE COUNCILOR. THERE IS A TWO-MINUTE TIME LIMIT. IF YOU'RE HERE YOU'LL HEAR A BELL, IF YOU'RE ONLINE YOU'LL SEE A TIMER TO INDICATE WHEN YOUR TIME IS UP. WE'LL ALSO REMIND YOU OF OUR OTHER RULES OF DECORUM. I BELIEVE OUR FIRST NAME IS MR. KENNETH. >> YES. FOLLOWED BY MICHAEL. >>COUN. DAVIS: IF YOU'RE SIGNED UP WITH THIS, IF YOU'RE NOT AT THE PODIUM, COME DOWN AND TAKE A SEAT IN THE FRONT ROW SO WE KNOW YOU'RE HERE AND WE WON'T SKIP YOU OVER. YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES. >> SOME OF YOU KNOW ME, SOME OF YOU DON'T. I AM THE FATHER OF THE PERSON KILLED BY ALBUQUERQUE POLICE IN 2010. SINCE THEN, I HAVE PURCHASED A NEW HOME. UNFORTUNATELY I PURCHASED IN THE WAY OF PASEO DEL VOLCAN. I TRIED TO WORK WITH THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING THIS. I HAVE YET TO BECOME WHOLE. I GOT A FIVE-BED ROOM ON 20th STREET ON NORTHERN AND RIO RANCHO. UNFORTUNATELY, WE'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO MAKE ME WHOLE. IT'S BECOMING VERY DISTAUGHT. AND SO, IT CAME CLOSE WITH THE LAST OFFER BUT THE PROPERTY WAS UNUSABLE. AS YOU ALL KNOW, THIS PASEO DEL VOLCAN PROJECT HAS HAD CONTEMPT FOR SOMETIME -- ON THE PRETENSE OF IMMINENT DOMAIN. THE DOMAIN IS UP TO FIVE YEARS ANYTHING AFTER THAT IS QUESTIONABLE. AS SOMEONE STATED THIS PROJECT IS DECADES AWAY. AND THE IMMINENT PART OF THIS DOMAIN DOES NOT APPLY. THEREFORE THEY'RE ILLEGALLY ACQUIRING PROPERTIES AND RELOCATING FOLKS UNDER THIS FALSE PRETENSE OF IMMINENT DOMAIN. I'VE DECIDED TO QUIT COOPERATING AND SEEKING LITIGATION. I SEE MY TIME IS RUNNING REAL SHORT. I HAVE A COUPLE GENTLEMEN THAT ARE GOING TO BE PRESENTING. >>COUN. DAVIS: IF YOU HAVE ITEM FOR THE COUNCIL, YOU CAN PROVIDE THEM TO THE STAFF AND THEY'RE HAPPY TO SHARE THEM. YOU'RE WELCOME BACK TO OUR COUNCIL ANY TIME. >> YEAH. THANK YOU, VERY MUCH. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, WE APPRECIATE IT. BEFORE WE GET TO OUR NEXT ITEM. LET ME READ A QUICK STATEMENT AND REMIND US OF ANOTHER ITEM IMPORTANT HERE. AS A REMINDER ON THE AGENDA WE HAVE LAND USE APPEAL THAT INVOLVE AS SITE PLAN AT ROSA PARKS ROAD. THE RECORD ON THAT IS CLOSED. MEANING WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SPEAK TO ANYONE WHO IS A PARTY IN THAT MATTER AND NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO SPEAK TO THE COUNCIL ABOUT THAT MATTER OUTSIDE OF THE HEARING. IF YOU ARE HERE ON THAT MATTER, WE ARE UNABLE TO HEAR FROM YOU TODAY. YOU MAY PROVIDE ANY ITEMS YOU'D LIKE TO CONSIDER TO THE STAFF TO REVIEW IF IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR US TO HAVE IT. I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE A PARTY IN THAT MATTER. I ASK YOU IF YOU'RE HERE FOR PUBLIC MATTER OR OUTSIDE OF THAT? >> I'M HERE UNDER SECTION EIGHT ITEM C. THIS IS YOUR RULES OF PROCEDURE THAT WERE REVISED FEBRUARY 6, 2023. DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT SPEAKERS ARE NOT RESTRICTED AS TO TOPIC. >>COUN. DAVIS: I UNDERSTAND THAT EXCEPT IT RELATES TO LAND USE. I'M GOING TO ASK YOUR ATTORNEY TO GIVE US MORE DETAIL FOR THE FOLKS FOLLOWING TODAY. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. PURSUANT TO COUNCIL RULES SECTION 24 PART 13, THE COUNCIL WILL MAKE ITS DECISION TO ACCEPT OR REJECT FULLY ON THE RECORD BEFORE IT. SHALL NOT HEAR FROM THE PARTIES OR ANY OTHER PERSON OTHER THAN ITS STAFF AT ITS HEARING ON THIS QUESTION. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. I UNDERSTAND THE COUNCIL HAS A PROCEDURER FOR THIS. IF YOU COMMENT AND WE TAKE THAT COMMENT IT JEOPARDIZES. IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON THAT -- IF YOU ARE HERE FOR ANY OTHER TOPIC THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LAND USE. >> I'LL SPEAK GENERALLY ON THE FACT THAT ON THE ITEM THAT I CAN'T SPEAK TO YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: I'M GOING TO STOP YOU RIGHT THERE. >> I'M NOT GOING TO SAY WHAT THAT ITEM IS. >>COUN. DAVIS: IT DOESN'T MATTER. IF YOU SPEAK ON ANYTHING ABOUT LAND USE, THERE WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY LATER IF THE COUNCIL MAKES A DECISION. >> I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK ON LAND USE IN GENERAL. I'M GOING TO SPEAK TO THE CONCEPT OF EX-PARTE COMMUNICATION. YOU'RE ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES. WHEN AN ISSUE COMES -- WHATEVER THAT ISSUE MAY BE. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HEAR THIS MATTER. I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO SIT DOWN. WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO HEAR THIS COMMENT. WE'RE GOING TO LET THIS PROCESS PLAY OUT. YOU'RE WELCOME TO EXERCISE YOUR OPTIONS. WE'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW. >> THAT'S A VIOLATION OF THE OPEN MEETINGS LAWS. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE GOOD FOR THE CITY. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE NEXT SPEAKER? >> OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS ELIZABETH FOLLOWED BY STACY. >> HELLO, COUNCILORS. >>COUN. DAVIS: I THINK HAILY IS IN FRONT OF YOU. >> I'M SORRY. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING. MR. PRESIDENT, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, I'M ELIZABETH. I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE WEST SIDE COALITION NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. I'M ALSO THE CHAIR OF THE PARADISE HILLS ZONING DISTRICT. MY MASTERS IS IN ARCHITECTURAL PLANNING. I WAS A CONSULT WANT TO THE DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR AND TRIBAL NATIONS. MY AREA OF EXPERTISE IS LAND REVIEW. >>COUN. DAVIS: ARE YOU HERE TO SPEAK ON THE MATTER INVOLVING THE LAND USE HEARING COMING UP NEXT ON THE AGENDA? >> I AM NOT SPEAKING DIRECTLY ON THE OUTCOME OF THAT PARTICULAR HEARING. THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS THAT THE GENERAL PROCESS FOR ALL ZONING COMMISSIONS AND BECAUSE I CHAIR ONE I DO UNDERSTAND QUASI-JUDICIAL RULES, BUT AT SOME POINT IN THE PROCESS THERE'S A DISTINCTION BETWEEN LEGISLATIVE AND QUASI-JUDICIAL RULES. AND I THINK EVERYBODY -- EVERY LEGISLATIVE BODY THAT ALSO BECOMES QUASI-JUDICIAL JUDGES MUST FIND SPECIAL TIMES WHEN THE PUBLIC AND IN GENERAL CAN SPEAK ON LEGISLATIVE ISSUES BEFORE THEY BECOME QUASI-JUDICIAL. IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND OR DISCERN HOW THOSE PROCESSES AND THAT AVAILABILITY FOR DISCUSSIONS ON LEGISLATIVE ISSUES THAT MAY AT SOME POINT DOWN THE ROAD BECOME QUASI-JUDICIAL, HOW THOSE OPPORTUNITIES ARE AVAILABLE TO THE MEMBER NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS THAT WE SERVE WITHIN -- SOMETIMES TO OTHER ENTITIES LIKE MINE WHICH IS IN THE COUNTY. >>COUN. DAVIS: YOU CAN CONCLUDE YOUR THOUGHT. >> THANK YOU. THE COUNTY STILL FOLLOWS THE SECTOR PLAN. ALMOST ALL WITHIN THE COUNTY. >>COUN. DAVIS: I'M GOING TO INTERRUPT YOU, AS I UNDERSTAND YOU THE SECTOR PLANS MAY BE A MATTER BEFORE THAT HEARING OR CONSIDERATION. I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO STAY AWAY FROM THAT EVEN IF IT RELATE THOSE COUNTY. WE WANT TO PRESERVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THE HEARING. >> THAT'S OKAY. THE POINT BEING IS THAT WE HAVE A PRETTY CONCISE BLUE PRINT OF THOSE STATE AND FEDERAL ISSUES THAT WE HAVE TO REVIEW. THAT BECOMES A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT WITH AN INTEGRATED ORDINANCE. WHAT I'M ASKING IS THAT AS YOU LOOK AT THAT PROCESS BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN 600 CHANGES IN THE PROCESS FOR THE CITY. YOU LOOK TO OPPORTUNITIES WHERE THE PUBLIC AND OTHER ENTITIES CAN ENGAGE IN THE PLANNING PROCESS WITH YOU ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S LEGISLATIVE AND BEFORE THE QUASI-JUDICIAL ISSUES COMING UP. THANK YOU FOR THE AATTENTION AND ADDITIONAL TIME. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. I THINK YOU THREADED THAT WELL. >> STACY FOLLOWED BY CARL. >> I'M STACY. HELLO, I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL ISSUE. I HAVE SOME POINTS. I'M GOING TO SPEAK PERSONALLY. I'M SIXTH GENERATION LOCAL. I HAVE 18 AIR B&BS. I'M A CONTRACTOR. I SUPPORT MY FAMILY AND MY MOTHER'S RETIREMENT AND MY SISTER CLEANS FOR ME. I HAVE FOUR EMPLOYEES. MANY OF MY UNITS ARE ACTUALLY IN HISTORIC BUILDINGS I RENOVATED DOWNTOWN. BUILDINGS THAT PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN TORN DOWN BY NOW. I WOULD LOSE THOSE EMPLOYEES. A THIRD OF MY UNITS AREN'T VIABLE AS LONG-TERM RENTAL. THEY WERE BUILT AS SHORT-TERM. THEY'RE NOT VIABLE AS UNITS THAT CAN BE USED FOR THE LONG-TERM. TWO MINUTES IS VERY SHORT. AS A CONTRACTOR ALSO, THERE'S SO MANY BETTER OPTIONS FOR HOW TO DO THIS. I THINK THAT THE CURRENT LEGISLATION BEING PROPOSED REALLY IMPEDES A LOT OF EMPLOYMENT, SMALL BUSINESSES, WE'VE JUST TAKEN OUT LOANS, FBA LOANS, WE'RE RECUVING FROM THE PANDEMIC. I FEEL THIS IS AN AFRONT TO YOUR COMMUNITIES AND YOUR NEIGHBORS AND FRIENDS. I'M AGAINST THIS AS A CONTRACTOR AND SHORT-TERM RENTAL OPERATOR, I THOUGHT I SHOULD SHARE THAT. YOU KNOW. I THINK THERE WILL BE A LOT OF JOB LOSSES AND A LOT OF THE BUILDINGS ARE NOT GOING TO GO BACK ON THE MARKET. I GUESS I'M GOING TO STICK TO THAT. ALSO I REALLY LIKE SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT MR. SANCHEZ, IN TERMS OF RED TAPE BUILDING AND THE ADDITIONAL DWELLING UNITS WE CAN BUILD. I'M UP FOR BUILDING. I LOVE BUILDING STUFF. THIS IS JUST GETTING IN THE WAY OF INDUSTRY. THAT'S IT. THAT'S MY TWO MINUTES. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. >> CARL FOLLOWED BY BRIAN. >> YOU LEFT US LAST TIME AND YOU SAID BRING US HOMEWORK AND YOU DID. >> I HAVE BROUGHT THAT. >>COUN. DAVIS: WOULD YOU SHARE THAT WITH OUR STAFF? >> I HAVE COPIES FOR EVERYBODY. I AM WORKING VERY HARD AS THE COMMUNITY AMBASSADOR FOR SHORT-TERM RENTAL. I AM EXTREMELY KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN ALBUQUERQUE. I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY SINCE YOU'VE ALL HAD THE STUDY ON THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF THIS, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT I MAY ANSWER FOR YOU? >>COUN. DAVIS: GO AHEAD. >> I WANTED TO OPEN IT TO YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: UNFORTUNATELY, OUR RULES DON'T ALLOW THAT TYPE OF BACK AND FORTH. WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU. IF COUNCILORS WANT TO FOLLOW UP, WE'LL ALLOW THEM TO DO THAT. FROM THE -- >> FROM THE BEGINNING, OVER 2200 JOBS ARE GOING TO BE TAKEN AWAY IF WE CAP THIS. ONE OF THE THINGS I HEAR MOST IS IF YOU POT -- PUT A CAP, YOU'RE NOT JUST HURTING CURRENT OPERATORS, YOU'RE HURTING FUTURE GENERATIONS. REAL ESTATE IS ONE OF THE MOST FASTEST WAYS TO BECOME WEALTHY IN THIS COUNTRY. WHEN I SAY WEALTHY, I THINK PROVIDE FOR YOUR FAMILY. I THINK LONG GONE ARE THE DAYS OF PROVIDING WE'RE JUST TRYING TO SEND OUR KIDS TO SCHOOL. WITH THIS, PEOPLE CAN GET MONEY FROM THEIR JOB, BUY A HOME, RENT IT OUT, AND VIABLY SUPPORT THEIR FAMILY. WITH THAT, THERE'S $216 MILLION OF ECONOMIC IMPACT GOING TO OUR COMMUNITY ON TOURISM. $14 MILLION ON TAXES ARE COMING INTO OUR CITY, STATE AND COUNTY FROM THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS. JUST THE HOSTS THEMSELVES $40 MILLION ANOTHER THING TO NOTE WHEN YOU REVIEW IT, 66% OF THE RENTALS ON THE MARKET ARE PART-TIME RENTALS. THAT MEANS THAT THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING THERE PART-TIME AND ACTUALLY MOVING OUT OF THE HOUSE TO GENERATE MONEY FOR THEIR DAILY LIVES. ONLY 34% OF THE RENTALS ARE FULL-TIME RENTALS. IT'S JUST TRYING TO MAKE ENDS MEET. I WILL BE AT THE FGO MEETING NEXT WEEK. I AM ASKING THE CITY COUNCIL TO PLEASE VOTE THIS DOWN. IT'S NOT A GOOD BILL. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >>COUN. LEWIS: I JUST WANT TO THANK HIM. I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION. BUT I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT INFORMATION. A LOT OF TIMES THE COUNCIL PRESENTS IDEAS THAT MIGHT BE WELL-INTENDED WITH SOME UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. SO, IT'S HELPFUL. WE DON'T ALWAYS LISTEN TO EXPERTS IN THE INDUSTRY, AND WE DON'T ALWAYS LISTEN TO AVERAGE CITIZENS. BUT YOU MENTIONED PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE A SORT OF INCOME LIKE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL. IT MIGHT HELP SOME RISE OUT OF POVERTY AND BOW ABLE TO PROVIDE FOR THEIR FAMILIES AND DO WELL IN THE CITY. THANKS FOR THE INFORMATION. APPRECIATE IT. IT MEANS SOMETHING. IT COUNTS WHEN YOU COME WITH GOOD INFORMATION THAT SUPPORTS THE POSITION. THANK YOU AGAIN. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I ALSO HAD A COMMENT IN REFERENCE TO THAT TOO. I KNOW SOME FOLKS THAT LIVE IN MY AREA WHO ACTUALLY DURING BALLOON FIESTA AND OTHER EVENTS MOVE AWAY FROM THEIR HOUSES TO GENERATE A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY. SOME PEOPLE MOVE INTO THE RV PARKED OUT BACK IN ORDER TO MAKE ENDS MEET. I'VE SEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE IN MY AREA WHO AREN'T VERY WEALTHY ABLE TO ACTUALLY DO THAT TO GENERATE ENOUGH MONEY TO MAKE ENDS MEET OR EVEN POSSIBLY GO ON A VACATION THAT THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO. I GET THAT. THAT WAS A VERY GOOD POINT IN REFERENCE TO THE PART TIME RENTAL. THANK YOU FOR THAT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR. OTHER QUESTIONS? >> RYAN FOLLOWED BY LACY. >> GOOD EVENING. I'M A TEN YEAR DOWNTOWN RESIDENT THAT MOSTLY WALKS AND BIKES TO GET AROUND. I WANTED TO SAY IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS I'VE SEEN THE TANGIBLE SUCCESS OF THE ALBUQUERQUE COMMUNITY SAFETY TEAMS. WITH THOSE WILLING TO ACCEPT HELP. THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THAT. THIS HAS REALLY LEFT THE MOST HARD CORE OF THE ADDICTED AND MENTALLY ILL LEFT ON THE STREETS. THE MAYOR OFTEN TALKS ABOUT THE CITY NEEDS ALL THE TOOLS IN THE TOOLBOX INCLUDING ACS AND THE GATEWAY CENTER, I WONDER WHY THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE ENFORCEMENT OF CITY ORDINANCES. TWO WEEKS AGO ON A SUNDAY I SAW AN OFF-ROAD VEHICLE HEADING DOWN FIFTH STREET TOWARD CENTRAL. SEEMED VERY INTOXICATED, NO MUFFLER. AND THERE'S TWO APD OFFICERS WATCHING THEM. I ASKED OFFICER MEDINA WHY AND IT WAS CITY POLICY NOT TO CAUSE AN INCIDENT. I ASKED IF HE WAS FAMILIAR WITH A 7-YEAR-OLD THAT WAS KILLED BY A DRUNK ATV DRIVER AND HE SAID HE WAS. THE SITUATION LONG SPIRALLED ARE OUT OF CONTROL AND CALLS TO 911 DIDN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE. LAST SATURDAY I WALKED BY A GROUP OF 15 PEOPLE SMOKING FENTANYL. WHEN YOU CALL 242-COPS IF THEY DON'T HAVE AN ASSAULT RIFLE THEY'RE NOT GOING OUT THERE. I THINK IF YOU HAVE A SMALL BUS THAT HITS EVERY SINGLE BUS STOP IN ALBUQUERQUE AND DOESN'T LEAVE UNTIL IT'S A FUNCTIONING BUS STOP WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA. ALSO STORAGE FACILITIES WITH LOCKERS, BATHROOMS AND SHOWERS COULD BE ALL OVER TOWN. THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO. HAVE A GOOD EVENING. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. >> LACY FOLLOWED BY JIMMY. >> THANK YOU, COUNCILORS. MY HEART IS POUNDING. I AM THE FOUNDER OF -- AND SHY AND CLEANING 505. I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE. MY BUSINESS HAS BEEN IN OPERATION SINCE 2016. AS FAR AS I KNOW I MOSTED MORE SHORT-TERM RENTAL STAYS THAN ANYONE IN THE STATE. IT'S AT ABOUT 14,000. THAT'S NOT INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE. 14,000 STAYS. THERE'S RECENTLY AN ARTICLE POSTED IN THE ALBUQUERQUE JOURNAL BY TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT TALKED ABOUT THE MYTHS OF WHAT'S NOT ALLOWED FOR REASONABLE SHORT-TERM RENTALS. PROTECTIONS KEEP US FROM DOING THE RIGHT THING IN ALBUQUERQUE. I WANTED TO ADDRESS A FEW FACTS. ACCORDING TO AIR B&A WHICH IS ONE OF THE BEST RESOURCE FOR DATA WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS. THERE'S 1800 FULL-TIME RENTALS IN THE CITY. THAT ACCOUNTS FOR .007 OF OUR HOUSING STOCK. AT THE SAME TIME THAT HOUSING STOCK IS BRINGING IN APPROXIMATELY $216 MILLION PER YEAR ECONOMIC IMPACT. IT FEELS SOMETIMES LIKE SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE AN EASY TARGET WHEN THERE'S SO MANY OTHER WAYS THAT COULD HAVE A GREATER BENEFICIAL IMPACT TO THE ECONOMY. ACCORDING TO HOUSING FORWARD ABQ, 7% OF OUR HOUSING MARKET OF THE AVAILABLE UNITS ARE SITTING VACANT. THAT'S TEN TIMES MORE THAN THE NUMBER OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS WE HAVE. THERE ARE 18,000 VACANT HOUSES JUST SITTING THERE AND THERE'S ONLY 1800 SHORT-TERM RENTALS. THAT WENT WAY TOO FAST. I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THIS IS WHAT AN INVESTOR IN ALBUQUERQUE LOOKS LIKE. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. >> JIMMY FOLLOWED BY DIEGO. >> HI, EVERYBODY. I REALLY -- I'M TALKING ABOUT THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS. I APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENTION IN THIS MANNER. I'M HOME GROWN. I GRADUATED FROM UNM. I'VE BEEN DOING PT IN THE AREA FOR 23 YEARS. I MIGHT HAVE WAITED ON SOME OF YOUR FAMILIES, MOMS, DADS I DON'T KNOW. I JUST WANT YOU TO MEET A FACE AND PERSON TO LET YOU KNOW THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT BUSINESS. THIS IS ABOUT RETIREMENT. I RETIRED TWO YEARS AGO. IF THEY COME IN HERE -- I ONLY HAVE SEVEN. IF THEY CHOP IT IN HALF, I WON'T BE ABLE TO -- I'LL HAVE TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. MY EMPLOYEES WILL HAVE TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. WE GENERATE A LOT OF MONEY AND IT'S ALL LOCAL. WE KEEP IT LOCAL. I HOPE -- AND I'M REPHRASING EVERYTHING WHAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE SAID. I HOPE WE TAKE ANOTHER LOOK RATHER THAN CUT MY CHANCES OFF TO GIVE SOMEONE ELSE A CHANCE. I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR. I DON'T THINK MY PROPERTIES ARE GOING TO BE FOR AVERAGE INCOME HOUSING. WE'VE INVESTED A LOT OF MONEY E, A LOT OF EXPENSE, REALLY A LOT OF EXPENSE, I'M STILL WAIT TO RECOUP THAT EXPENSE. IF THIS COUNCIL PASSES THE BILL TO LIMIT OUR SCR, THEY WILL HAVE REALLY AFFECTED BY ABILITY TO MAKE A LIVING IN THIS CITY. AND I'M EMOTIONAL, I'M SAD. I'M A BUSINESSMAN, ALSO. I DON'T LOOK LIKE IT. I'M NOT A CORPORATION. I'M SOLE PROPRYTER. I HOPE YOU LOOK AT THIS AND NOT DO WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS. I ALMOST WASN'T GOING TO SAY, IT ALMOST FEELS LIKE IT'S AN INFRINGEMENT OF MY RIGHT FOR FREE ENTERPRISE. THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME OUT. I HOPE WE CAN COME TO SOMETHING THAT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY. THANK YOU. >> DIEGO FOLLOWED BY DAVID. >> THANK YOU, PRESIDENT DAVIS. I SPOKE A MONTH AGO ABOUT MY SHORT-TERM RENTAL EXPERIENCE. AND SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, I AM TAKING PANIC MODE AND TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO GET THE PROPERTIES THAT I HAVE REFINANCED OR TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY THAT I CAN RENT THEM AND PAY EXPENSES WITH NOT DOING SHORT-TERM RENTALS OR TRYING TO DO LONG-TERM RENTAL FURNISHED. LONG-TERM RENTAL FURNISHED I'VE TRIED IT IN THE PAST AND THERE'S TOO MANY GAPS. THE NETFLIX PEOPLE VACATE DECEMBER 10 AND THEY DON'T COME BACK UNTIL JANUARY 15. I WOULD HAVE TO CHARGE THEM SO MUCH MORE TO MAKE UP THAT DIFFERENCE AND THE PROPERTY BEING VACANT. THE BANK OF AMERICA, WELLS FARGO BANK, WASHINGTON FEDERAL, ALL OF THEM SAID MR. LOPEZ YOU DON'T HAVE AN INCOME. YOU'RE NOT WORKING. AND YOUR PROFIT AND LOSS STATEMENT ON YOUR SHORT-TERM RENTAL ISN'T ENOUGH. THAT $40,000 YOU'RE CLEARING IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU TO LIVE BUT NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR US TO CONSIDER REFINANCING YOUR HOME. I HAVE HOMES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS THAT YOUR CITY MADE ME SPEND CRAZY MONEY ON FIXING THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS WHEN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN SO MUCH CHEAPER JUST TO TEAR IT OUT AND PUT A NEW WINDOW IN. YOUR HISTORIC DIVISION MADE ME BUY SPECIAL GUTTERS THAT ARE CURVED ON SILVER STREET THAT COST TEN TIMES AS MUCH AS A NORMAL GUTTER. FRANKLY, YOU'RE GOING TO CAUSE A CATASTROPHE FOR ME. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. >> DAVID FOLLOWED BY GREG. GREG FOLLOWED BY TAD. >> I'M GREG, I'M A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER IN ALBUQUERQUE. THERE'S AN ARTICLE IN THE JOURNAL THAT -- WROTE RENTLY -- TALKING ABOUT MYTHS OF SHORT-TERM RENTAL. AS AN OWNER I WANTED TO ADDRESS SOMETHING IN YOUR ARTICLE, SIR. ONE WAS TALKING ABOUT LARGE -- SAVE THE CITY FROM LARGE CORPORATIONS FROM SNATCHING UP ALL THE PROPERTY. I NETWORK HEAVILY WITH ALL THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL OWNERS IN THE CITY. I HAVEN'T SEEN A LARGE CORPORATION OPERATING AN OUT OF STATE CORPORATION IN THE CITY. THEY WOULDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO IN AUGUST WHEN THE SWAMP COOLERS HAVE TO GET TURNED ON. IT'S NOT HERE. I CAN SEE THAT WOULD SCARE ME TO IF I HEARD THAT. I ALSO THINK AS A REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONAL I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WHO UNDERSTANDS REAL ESTATE INVESTMENT AND UNDERSTAND A LITTLE, WOULD THINK SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE REALLY THE SERIOUS PROBLEM WITH THE HOUSING SHORTAGE. I WOULD GUESS WE CAME OUT OF COVID AND THE GOVERNMENT DROPPED INTEREST RATES SO LOW. ANY POINT IN OUR LIFETIME THEY WOULD LET SOMEBODY BY A HOUSE AT 2.5% INTEREST. WE ARE REALLY SHORT ON INVENTORY. WE'RE COMING OUT OF A TIME WHEN PEOPLE COULDN'T BUILD NEW HOUSES. WE WANT WHAT'S GREAT FOR THE CITY TOO. PLEASE GET WITH US, THERE'S REALLY SMART PEOPLE IN THIS GROUP THAT WILL KNOW HOW TO GET PROPERTY GOING IN THE CITY AGAIN. THERE'S LOT OF THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE THAT DON'T HAVE TO HURT JOBS TO CREATE THEM. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANKS. >> TAD FOLLOWED BY RENÉ. >> MY NAME IS TAD. WHAT I'VE SEEN LATELY ALSO I HAVE SEEN IT BEFORE OVER AND OVER IT IS TOTALLY DISGUSTING WHEN IT COMES TO CITY EMPLOYEES. FIRE DEPARTMENT AND COPS DURING THE JOB THEY'RE DOING -- TOTAL DISRESPECT TO PRIVATE. THAT IS ONE ISSUE. -- DESTROYING INSIDE AND OUTSIDE. NOW FIRE DEPARTMENT, NOTHING HOLDS -- IT'S SMALL FIRE. TO THE ROOF. HOLES ALL THE WAY THREW. WELL, THAT IS TOTALLY DISGUSTING UNNECESSARY. THAT IS THE ISSUE. ABOUT HOMELESS PEOPLE. CITY AND OTHER GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS ARE EMPTY. THEY FOUND WHO DID THE FIRE. AND THEY COULD TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION. I'M SICK AND TIRED LISTENING ABOUT HOMELESS PEOPLE AND SO ON. CITY DON'T DO THE JOB. THANK YOU. >> RENÉ FOLLOWED BY ROBIN. >> WELCOME, I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE A PARTY IN THE APPEAL THAT WE'RE GOING TO HEAR IN A MINUTE, IF THAT'S CORRECT. I HAVE TO DO MY REMINDER AND YOU KNOW IT WELL. IF IT'S ABOUT THAT MATTER, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU BUT WE'D LOVE TO HEAR ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE. >> I THINK I'LL TALK ABOUT THE HOUSING BOARD. EVERY YEAR I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE IDO PROCESS. IT IS A LENGTHY PROCESS AND I DO WORRY ABOUT LOSING PROTECTION OF OUR ZONING PROTECTION THAT PROTECT OUR COMMUNITIES AND. -- SOMETIMES IT SEEMS LIKE THE PROCESS IS -- IT DOESN'T GIVE ENOUGH TIME TO VET THINGS OUT TO MAKE SURE WE GET A GOOD PRODUCT. THIS HOUSING BOARD THAT CAME ON US DURING THE HOLIDAYS AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO EXPLAIN WHAT THEIR CONCERNS ARE. I KNOW WE'RE HAVING MEETINGS OF I THINK YOUR PLANNING TO LOOK AT THE HOUSING FORWARD IN APRIL. WE'RE HAVING COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND DIFFERENT QUADRANTS. I WAS WONDERING CAN WE -- THE LAST FEW MEETINGS I'VE BEEN TO YOU HAVE TO WRITE YOUR QUESTIONS ON A CARD AND SUBMIT IT AND THEY TAKE THE QUESTION. THERE'S NOT ENOUGH DIALOGUE TO ENSURE WE GET A GOOD, YOU KNOW, TRY TO MAKE SOMETHING BETTER. BECAUSE I CAN SEE PROS AND CONS WITH THIS IDEA OF HOUSING FORWARD. AND I DON'T THINK THEY'VE BEEN ADDRESSED. ONCE YOU APPROVE A ZONING THING, IT'S AN INTITEMENT -- ENTITLEMENT. I'M ASKING YOU, THE CITY COUNCIL, TO SAY IF LET'S SEE IF CAN OPEN MORE DIALOGUE AND GET A BETTER PRODUCT BEFORE IT COMES TO YOU FOR A VOTE. >>COUN. DAVIS: IT'S NICE TO SEE YOU IN PERSON. I'M GOING TO SEE IF MR. RAEL TO GET IN CONTACT WITH THOSE WHO FACILITATE THOSE MEETINGS HELP SEE IF WE GET THAT IN PLAY. >> ROBIN FOLLOWED BY -- PATRICIA ON ZOOM. >> I'M A SHORT-TERM RENTAL OWNER. I AM AN AIR B&B SUPER HOST. I RECEIVED THE TRAINING FOR TEN QUARTERS. >>COUN. DAVIS: WOULD YOU SNEAK CLOSER TO THE MIC? >> I'M SORRY. I'M AN AIR B&B SUPER HOST. I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE ORDINANCE THAT'S UP FOR DISCUSSION. I WANTED TO JUST SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MY EXPERIENCE AS A WHOES. I STARTED MY AIR B&B IN 2018 TO OFFER HOUSING FOR THOSE IN NEED. I WAS ABLE TO PROVIDE PRIVATE ROOM WITH JUST A MATTRESS AND A DRESSER AND A CHAIR FOR $25 A NIGHT FOR -- WE HOSTED ARTISTS, STUDENTS, INTERNATIONAL TRAVELLERS. ONE THING WE LEARNED IS THERE'S AN INTERNATIONAL CULTURAL EXCHANGE THAT OCCURS THROUGH SHORT-TERM RENTAL HOUSING. THERE'S LOT OF INTERNATIONAL PEOPLE WHO COME FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD AND THEY BRING A LOT OF ENRICHMENT TO THE COMMUNITY. WE ALSO HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF COMMUTERS WHO COME FROM RUREAL DISTRICTS TO ALBUQUERQUE AND FROM THE RESERVATIONS TO ALBUQUERQUE AND USE SHORT-TERM RENTAL HOUSING. WE HAVE HAD PEOPLE WHO ARE NEEDING TO FIND LONG-TERM HOUSING AND NOT BE ABLE TO PUT A DEPOSIT DOWN ON THEIR PLACES OR MAYBE THEY HAVE POOR CREDIT OR IN TRANSITION COMING FROM OTHER RESIDENTIAL FACILITIES. WE FIND THERE'S NOT JUST A NICHE FOR SHORT-TERM RENTAL BUT THERE'S A REAL NEED FOR THEM. THEY OFFER VERY SPECIFIC TYPE OF HOUSING FOR PEOPLE WHO NEED THAT. I WANT TO SHARE THAT. >>COUN. BASSAN: CAN SHE FINISH PLEASE? >>COUN. GROUT: YES, PLEASE. FINISH YOUR COMMENT. >> OKAY. SO, WHAT I WANTED TO SAY IS THAT I BELIEVE BY CAPPING SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN THE CITY YOU'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE DOING THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU'RE THINKING YOU'RE GOING TO DO. YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE OPENING MORE HOUSING FOR PEOPLE, BUT I THINK SHORT-TERM RENTALS HAVE HISTORICALLY BEEN -- WELL, I WILL SAY THAT AIR B&B AS A BUSINESS MODEL WAS STARTED BY BRIAN -- WHO PUT AIR MATTRESSES ON THE FLOOR AND RENTED THEM. WHAT YOU HAVE A WAY OF OFFERING HOUSING AND I THINK A LOT OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN THE CITY ARE ACTUALLY PEOPLE BUILDING OUT THEIR PROPERTIES AND MAKING ROOM FOR OTHER PEOPLE. THAT ACTUALLY CREATES MORE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES AS OPPOSED TO THE OPPOSITE. THANK YOU. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. >> PATRICIA ON ZOOM FOLLOWED BY JULIE. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCILOR DAVIS. LAST MONTH I SENT AN EMAIL TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT EXPRESSING CONCERN ABOUT THE LEVEL OF CONFUSION SURROUNDING O-22-54. ESPECIALLY SECTION ONE AND TWO. TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS. THIS PRESENT AS POSSIBLE CONFLICT FOR INFORMATION ON THE CITY'S XREEKTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ON RESIDENTIAL REGULATIONS. THAT DOCUMENT STATES IN PART, ACCESSERACY BUILDINGS MAY BE LOCATED ANYWHERE IN THE SIDE OF YOUR YARD PROVIDED THE BUILDING IS NO CLOSER THAN TEN FEET TO A HOUSE OR OTHER LIVING QUARTERS AND IS NO CLOSER THAN FIVE FEET TO ANY OTHER ACCESSORY BUILDING. THE RESPONSE I FINALLY RECEIVED ASSURED ME THAT BUILDING SAFETY AND THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE IS AWARE OF THE CONCERNS AND ABU WILL MEET ZONING RULES AS WELL AS REQUIREMENTS OF THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDING AND HOUSING CODES WHICH INCLUDES OBTAINING ANY REQUIRED PERMITS REVIEWED BY ALL RELEVANT STAFF. FOR EXAMPLE, THE NEED FOR FIRE SEPARATION, LAST DECEMBER A DUMPSTER FIRE STARTED BY CAMPERS CAUSED SERIOUS DAMAGE TO THE ADJACENT BUILDING REQUIRES IT TO SHUT DOWN DURING THE BUSIEST SEASON. HAD THAT BEEN TEN FEET AWAY IT MIGHT HAVE ONLY CAUSED DAMAGE TO THE MURAL. PLEASE CONSIDER AN AMENDMENT THAT WOULD ENFORCE A MINIMUM OF FIVE FEET FOR REAR AND SIDE YARD SETBACK AND MAINTAIN A TEN FOOT DISTANCE BETWEEN ALL BUILDINGS FOR FIRE SAFETY. I WAS HAPPY TO HEAR DIRECTOR'S UPDATE ON THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT I ALSO WILL BE TLIRLD -- THANK YOU, I HAVE A DOG FOR COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >> JULIE FOLLOWED BY MICHELLE. >> GOOD EVENING, THANK YOU PRESIDENT DAVIS. I'M SPEAKING TONIGHT ON ORDINANCE 22-54. I ASK THE COUNCILORS TO BE OPEN FOR AMENDMENTS TO THE ORDINANCE. I SPOKE TO STAFF ABOUT AMENDMENT IDEAS AND AWARE OF ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS SEEKING TO DO THE SAME. THE PROPOSALS FOR DUPLEXES IS A MASSIVE CHANGE TO ZONING. THIS HAS BEEN PROPOSED WITHOUT DATA AND INFORMATION OF WHERE THEY'RE ALLOWED. HOW MANY ARE THERE? ARE THEY HOUSING FAM LES OR RENTALS? ARE THEY LONG-TERM RENTALS OR ARE THEY AFOBL'd FORDABLE LAST MONTH AND TONIGHT BUSINESS OWNERS TALK ABOUT THEIR THE INVESTMENT. COUNCILORS COMMENTED ABOUT INVESTMENTS. HOMEOWNERS HAVE MADE THEIR LARGEST INVESTMENT IN THEIR HOME IN ONE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING. ORDINANCE 22-54 CHANGES THE ZONING AND IT AFFECTS THEIR INVESTMENT. PLEASE BE OPEN TO AMENDMENTS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND ALL THAT YOU DO. >> MICHELLE FOLLOWED BY SHARIE. >> HI, I AM THE OWNER OF URBAN IN THE NORTH VALLEY. I AM ASKING YOU TO OPPOSE O-23-69. MY RENTAL IS A STUDIO GUEST HOUSE ON MY PROPERTY. IT LENDS ITSELF GOING INTO THE HOUSING MARKET IT ONLY IS 225 SQUARE FEET. IT ONLY HAS A KITCHENETTE. AS ONE GIRL ADDED TO THE OTHER ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES THAT WE HEARD FROM TONIGHT ARE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT SAY THEIR RENTALS WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GO ON TO THE HOUSING MARKET. ADDITIONALLY, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL NEED FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAT SOMEONE STATED EARLIER. I HAVE HAD MANY PEOPLE THAT SEE FAMILY HERE. THEY'RE HAVING AN EMERGENCY SITUATION. FUNERALS. DIFFERENT EVENTS. AND RENTING MY HOUSE CLOSE TO WHERE THEIR FAMILY LIVES ALLOWS THEM TO WALK THERE OR BE A FEW MINUTES AWAY FOR WHATEVER SITUATION, WHETHER IT'S HAPPY OR MORE SERIOUS SITUATION. IT LETS THEM BE CLOSE TO THEIR FAMILY WHEN THEY CAN'T ACTUALLY BE STAYING WITH THEIR FAMILY. THAT IS SOMETHING A HOTEL CAN'T ACCOMMODATE. IT LENDS ITSELF TO BE A COMFORTABLE AND HOMEY SITUATION. I HOPE YOU WOULD RETHINK THE PURPOSE OR REASON WHY WE WOULD IMPLEMENT THE BILL LIKE THIS. BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY USEFUL THINGS THAT THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS BRING TO THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. >> SHARIE. >> I'M SORRY, MY PHONE WAS MUTED. I'M JUST -- CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> WE CAN HEAR YOU. >> OKAY. I'M A RESIDENT AND I'VE BEEN IMPACTED BY WHAT'S GOING ON AS FAR AS THE HOUSING SITUATION IN THE COMMUNITY. I JUST WANTED TO LET MY VOICE BE HEARD A LITTLE BIT. I WAS A RESIDENT AT A RESIDENTIAL FOR OVER SIX YEARS. OUT OF THE BLUE THEY GIVE US 30-DAY NOTICES. IT WAS A LOT OF US. ANOTHER GENTLEMAN WAS THERE FOR 13 YEARS. THEY DIDN'T GIVE US THE REASON WHY. BECAUSE OF THE HOUSING THINGS RIGHT NOW IT WAS A REAL CRUNCH TO FIND SOMEWHERE WHERE TO GO. EVENTUALLY I DID FIND SOMEWHERE, WHEN I MOVED IN IT WASN'T MOVE IN READY WHICH THEY TOLD ME IT WAS. I PAID A LOT TO MOVE IN. I'M PAYING A LOT FOR RENT. AND IT'S NOT WORTH IT. WHAT I AM PAYING I FEEL LIKE IT'S PRICE GOUGING. ALSO THE PEOPLE THAT -- SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT GOT A 30-DAY NOTICE THEY ARE IN MOTELS BECAUSE THE HOUSING WAS UNAFFORDABLE. IT WAS FOR ME TO, BUT THANK GOD I FOUND SOMETHING. WHEN I MOVE INTO THE APARTMENT IT'S STILL NOT WORTH WHAT I'M BEING CHARGED. I'M ASKING TO GET THINGS FIX ASKED THE RESPONSE IS WE'RE ON A BUDGET WE CAN'T GO OVER THE BUDGET YOU'RE ASKING. I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE HOUSING COMMUNITY OR WHAT HAVE YOU. I KNOW THAT I'M DEFINITELY FEELING THE CRUNCH FOR EVERYTHING THAT IS TAKING PLACE. I JUST WANTED MY VOICE TO BE HEARD ON US WHO ARE PAYING RENT ARE REALLY FEELING IT AS WELL. >> THAT IS THE END OF ZOOM COMMENTERS. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. WE'RE -- BEFORE WE CONCLUDE PUBLIC COMMENT I'M GOING TO MAKE ONE OPPORTUNITY. SIR, IF YOU WANT TO COME UP REALLY QUICKLY. AS A GENERAL RULE OUR RULES REQUIRE THEY SIGN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE THE MEETING. I'M GOING TO OFFER AN EXCEPTION. I'M GOING TO MAKE A TRADE. I'M ASKING YOU TO -- I NEED YOU TO FOLLOW THE RULES GOING FORWARD. IF YOU WANT TO COME BACK AFTER THE BREAK, WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU. WE NEED YOU TO SIT. IF YOU WANT TO FILM YOU NEED TO BE IN THE DESIGNATED AREA. IF YOU CAN DO THAT WE'LL ALLOW YOU TO DO THAT. YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS A RULE. >> MY NAME IS CHRIS. I'D LIKE TO START BY SAYING I'M A FIRST AND SECOND AMENDMENT CONSTITUTIONAL ACTIVIST. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ I'VE BEEN TO YOUR OFFICE MULTIPLE TIMES TO FILE COMPLAINTS AND SPEAK TO YOU ABOUT POLICE REFORM AND WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE POLICE AND I'VE BEEN IGNORE MCHD ED -- I TRY TO MAKE IT A MISSION TO FILM POLICE AND GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO AS A COMMUNITY AND FOR OUTREACH FOR THE CITY AND CITY AND COUNTY STATE TO DO BETTER FOR THE COMMUNITY. ALL OUR COMMUNITY IS DOING IS GOING DOWNHILL. I LIVE ON SAN MATEO AND ZUNI, ALL WHERE HEAR IS RAPID GUN FIRE AND NO POLICE RESPONSE. I CALL 911 AND I'M ON HOLD. I CALL 242-COPS AND THEY SAY THERE WILL BE AN OFFICER WHEN SOMEONE IS AVAILABLE. WHAT DOES IT TAKE FOR SOMEONE TO RESPOND? WHEN I DO SECURITY, I DID ARMED SECURITY, AND WHEN I WOULD CALL POLICE I WOULD BE ASKED MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT ME HAVING A FIREARM ON MY HIP THAN I WOULD ABOUT THE OFFENDER THAT JUST ROBBED A STORE AND BASHED SOMEBODY OVER THE HEAD WITH A ROCK. YOU GUYS SIT HERE AND YOU TALK ABOUT TRYING TO HELP THE COMMUNITY WHAT WE CAN DO BUT ALL I'VE HEARD TONIGHT IS ABOUT SOMEBODY'S HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. THERE'S A COUPLE MONTHS BACK WHERE ONE OF YOU, I DON'T REMEMBER WHO, SPOKE ABOUT 911 CALL TAKERS AND YOU MENTIONED MEDINA AND HE SAID WE'LL DO OUR BEST AND GOT DROPPED. NO MIRTHER COMMUNICATION. NO FURTHER PROGRESS ON THAT NOTE. BUT YOU GUYS EXPECT US TO SIT HER AND TRUST THE GOVERNMENT OR NOT GOVERNMENT BUT THE COMMUNITY ON HELPING US WHEN WHY ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO THAT WHEN WE CAN'T TRUST THE POLICE WILL SHOW UP WAEN CRIME IS DEFENDED. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: IS THAT THE END OF PUBLIC COMMENT? >> THAT DOES CONCLUDE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR SANCHEZ HAS A QUESTION. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I HAVE A COMMENT BACK TO THE GENTLEMAN THAT JUST SPOKE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT -- IF YOU HAVE BEEN KEEPING AN EYE ON OUR COUNCIL AGENDA AND THE THINGS GOING ON, OUR JOB IS THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH. WE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT WORKING AREAS. I THANK YOU FOR COMING UP AND BRINGING THIS UP. WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US IS EXACTLY RIGHT. WE HAVE SEEN AN INCREASE IN CRIME ON OUR STREETS. WE ARE WORKING, EVERY SINGLE DAY TO TRY TO IMPROVE THAT, AND I AM CONSTANTLY ON THE ADMINISTRATION TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE DOING WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. I AGREE WITH YOU. WE HAVE SEEN A MASSIVE DECLINE IN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ON THE STREETS. AND I'VE ALREADY BEEN TOLD BY THE CHIEF OF POLICE THAT WE'RE GOING TO END UP IN THAT DEFICIT NEXT YEAR AND I ASKED THE ADMINISTRATION ALL THE TIME, EVEN LAST MEETING, WHAT IS GOING ON. WHY ARE WE STILL IN THAT SITUATION, AND I'D LIKE TO ASK THE ADMINISTRATION ONE MORE TIME, WHERE ARE WE ON OUR NUMBERS? ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE ALWAYS ASKING FROM CITY COUNCIL IS TO KNOW HOW MANY POLICE OFFICERS ARE OUT THERE ON THE STREETS. HOW MANY POLICE OFFICERS ARE PROTECTING US. WHAT ARE THE NUMBERS EACH AND EVERY DAY AS TIME GOES ON. WE NEED TO KNOW THIS INFORMATION EVERY SINGLE DAY SO WE CAN SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING AND RIGHT NOW I AM NOT CONVINCED WITH THE LEADERSHIP AND OUR MAYOR'S OFFICE IN REFERENCE TO WHAT'S GOING ON WITH OUR POLICE AND OUR PUBLIC SAFETY THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH IN ALBUQUERQUE. AND I HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR NUMBERS AND I HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR INFORMATION AND ME BEING A COUNCILOR, I SHOULD KNOW EACH AND EVERY WEEK HOW MANY OFFICERS WORK ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. HOW MANY OFFICERS ARE WORKING FIELD SERVICES. HOW MANY OFFICERS ARE WE BRINGING IN AT THE NEXT ACADEMY. HOW MANY OFFICERS ARE WE LOSING. SO THAT WE AS THE LEGISLATORS MAKE DETERMINATION ON HOW THE MONEY SHOULD BE SPENT. AND WE ARE DOING THAT. WE'RE MAKING THOSE JAUPTS AS WE GO THROUGH THE BUMTH AND AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. WE'RE ASKING THE QUESTIONS AND THEY'RE HARD QUESTIONS THAT THE ADMINISTRATION NEEDS TO DEAL WITH. WE ARE CONTROLLING IT. WE MADE A MAJOR DECISION LAST WEEK, IF YOU WERE WATCHING, IN REFERENCE TO HOW BE HANDLE THE BUDGET AND THE MONEY WE'RE PUTTING OUT THERE. WE MADE THE ADMINISTRATION ASK FOR THE MONEY THAT THEY NEED AND BE MORE RESPONSIBLE ABOUT HOW THEY SPEND IT. WE'RE DOING THOSE THINGS. WE'RE MAKING CHANGES. I WISH THE CHANGES COULD BE AS FAST AS YOU WOULD WANT THEM. I WISH THEY WOULD BE AS FAST AS I WANT THEM. THOSE CHANGES ARE MOVING SLOWLY BUT SURELY. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT, CHRIS. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR. I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL PERSON WHO SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON OTHER ITEM BUT WANTS TO SPEAK ON PUBLIC COMMENT. UNLESS THERE'S OBJECTION, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE THINKING. I THINK WE'LL FINISH PUBLIC COMMENT, DO APPEAL BECAUSE THERE'S A NUMBER OF PEOPLE INTERESTED IN THAT SO THEY CAN GO BACK HOME AND WAIT ON THE NEXT ITEM. WE'LL TAKE OUR BREAK AND COME BACK AND DO ACTION ITEMS. UNLESS THERE'S AN OBJECTION. MA'AM WELCOME. >> THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. I AM AN AIR B&B HOST. I HAVE SIX AIR B&Bs. I APPRECIATE EVERYONE GIVING SO MUCH THOUGHT TO THIS. I WANT TO SAY THAT I'VE GIVEN A LOT OF THOUGHT I'M PROUD TO BE A HOST. THE FIRST AND MOST IMPORTANT REASON IS I CAN RAISE MY SON WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, SENDING HIM TO SCHOOL UNTIL FIVE OR SIX O'CLOCK EVERY DAY. I CAN PROVIDE FOR MY FAMILY IN A MEANINGFUL WAY. THE NEXT REASON IS THAT I LOVE BEING A MOST. I WELCOME PEOPLE TO OUR CITY. I'M NOT JUST A HOST THAT GIVES THEM A PLACE TO SLEEP. I TELL THEM WHERE TO GO. I TELL THEM LOCAL RESTAURANTS, SHOPS, THINGS TO DO. BUT ALL THAT MONEY IS GOING INTO LOCAL POCKETS WHICH IS NOT SOMETHING A HOTEL CAN PROVIDE. THE THIRD THING AND THIS MIGHT SOUND CHEESY AND I GUARANTEE YOU, IT'S SOMETHING I GIVE THOUGHT TO, WHICH IS I'M ALWAYS PROUD OF WHAT I DO BECAUSE MY GRANDMOTHER COULD NOT HAVE OWNED PROPERTY WITHOUT HER HUSBAND. I THINK ABOUT THAT ALL THE TIME. I AM MARRIED, I OWN ALL OF MY PROPERTIES INDIVIDUALLY. I RUN A BUSINESS, A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS. AND I AM IMMENSELY PROUD OF THAT. I DON'T WANT TO WORK FROM 8 TO 6 AND SEE MY KIDS FOR TWO HOURS EVERY NIGHT. THIS IS GIBBING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT AND CONTINUE TO INVEST. THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER PART OF -- I'M RUNNING OUT OF TIME BUT INVESTMENTS. NOT ALL OF MY INVESTMENTS ARE THROUGH BANKS. THEY'RE THROUGH INDIVIDUALS. WE GET REALLY CREATIVE. AND WE DO RELY ON TIS. IT HAS BEEN AN INDUSTRY. I HAVE CLEANERS THAT I PAY VERY WELL. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE INVITE YOU BACK IN THE FUTURE. >> THIRD TRY IS THE CHARM? >> THAT CONCLUDES GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: LET'S TAKE UP ITEM AC-23-1 APPEAL OF SITE PLAN LOCATED ON ROSA PARKS BETWEEN PASEO AND ROSA PARKS ROAD. WOULD YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN THE APPEAL? BEFORE WE SEE, THIS IS A QUASI-JUDICIAL MATTER. PLEASE BEAR WITH US. WE'RE GOING TO ASK YOU TO PLAIN THE MATTER AND THE COUNCIL WILL HAVE OPTIONS. WE'LL MAKE THAT DECISION AND DEPENDING ON THAT WE'LL SEE WHERE WE GO NEXT. >> THIS APPEAL INVOLVES THE APPROVAL OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF A 238 UNIT THREE STORY MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING DEVELOPMENT ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF KENNETH DRIVE AND ROSEA PARK. THIS IS AN UNDEVELOPED LOT. THIS IS ZONED MXL. PERMISSIVE USE AND THE DRB DETERMINED THE APPLICANTS AND PLANNING MET ALL APPLICABLE CRITERIA OF THE IDO AND APPROVED THE APPLICATION. MIKE AND RENÉ AND THE PUEBLO LAGUNA APPEALED WITH THE CRUX BEING THAT THE GRB SHOULD HAVE CONSIDERED THE ALBUQUERQUE-BERNALILLO COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHEN REVIEWING THIS APPLICATION. THEY CLAIM THE HEIGHT OF THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS WHICH IS THREE STORIES IS TOO HIGH GIVEN THE PROXIMITY TO THE PETROGLYPHS. THE APPELLANTS CLAIM IT VIOLATES VARIOUS STATE AND LOCAL LAWS. THERE'S A DUE PROCESS VIOLATION RELATED TO PUBLIC AND THE APPELLANT CLAIM THAT THE DRB'S DECISION SHOULD HAVE BEEN DEFERRED. THE LAND USE HEARING THAT THE APPEAL BE DENIED AND THE APPROVAL BE UPHOLD. THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO REVIEW THE CAMP PLAN BECAUSE IT'S A TECHNICAL REVIEW BODY LIMITED TO THE REVIEW OF THE CRITERIA CONTAINED IN IDO AND CANNOT ENGAGE IN POLICY OR DISCRETION. BECAUSE IT'S PERMISSIVE USE AND THE HEIGHT COMPLIES WITH THE IDO STANDARDS, THE GRB APPROPRIATELY REVIEWED AND APPROVED APPLICATION. AS THE STATE AND LOCAL LAWS, THEY'RE MISREAD AND MISUSED BY THE APPELLANTS AND DO NOT APPLY TO THIS PROCESS. THEY ALSO FOUND THAT THE DRB CHAIRS REQUEST THAT SPEAKERS NOT REPEAT BY THINGS DO NOT VIOLATE DUE PROCESS. AND THEY FOUND "I" WITHIN THE DRB'SDITION. THEY CONCLUDED THE APPELLANTS DIDN'T MEET THE BURDEN OF PROOF AND DID NOT IDENTIFY ANY ERRORS IN THE DRB REVIEW OF THE APPLICATION. THE LUHO RECOMMENDS DENIAL AND UPHOLD THE DENIAL OF THIS. THIS IS ACCEPT OR REJECT. YOU WILL NOT HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC AT THIS STAGE. YOU CAN ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATION AND FINDINGS, ACCEPT THE BUT ADOPT DIFFERENT FINDINGS OR REJECT THIS AND WE'LL HAVE A FULL HEARING AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. >>COUN. DAVIS: ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: WOULD YOU ADDRESS THE -- THERE'S SPECIFIC ACCUSATION OF EX-PARTE COMMUNICATION. WOULD YOU ADDRESS THAT? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR LEWIS YES. DURING THE FIRST DRB HEARING ON THIS MATTER WHICH WAS HELD ON OCTOBER 26, 2022, ONE OF THE APPELLANTS GAVE PUBLIC COMMENT AND CLAIMED THAT IMPROPER EX-PARTE COMMUNICATION OCCURRED RELATE TODAY A SEPARATE MATTER, A PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE IDO AND COMPANIED TO TIE THAT INTO THE PRESENT DRB APPEAL. JACKIE FISHMAN ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANTS TESTIFIED THAT NO SUCH COMMUNICATION OCCURRED. SHE SAID WOET, I CAN ASSURE THAT THE BOARD AND ALL THE OTHERS THAT I HAVE NEVER HAD A COMMITTEEING WITH COUNCILOR LEWIS, I'VE NEVER TALKED TO HIM ABOUT THIS. I'VE NEVER TALKED TO HIM ABOUT THE PROPERTY. I JUST WANT TO HAVE THAT ON THE RECORD THERE WAS NO COMMUNICATION BETWEEN ME AND THE COUNCIL. THERE'S A SUBSEQUENT MEETING OF THE DRB ON NOVEMBER 9, 2022. THERE'S NO ALLEGATION OF EX-PARTE COMMUNICATION. THEY DID NOT ISSUE ANY FINDINGS OR RAISE CONCERNS ABOUT COMMUNICATIONS. AND THIS DID NOT COME UP AT THE LUHO. AND THEY HAD NO CONCERNS RELATING TO THE COMMUNICATIONS. >>COUN. LEWIS: I WANT TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD AND THEY MADE INSIN THE RESPONSE TO THAT, THE DRB MEETING, I HAVE NOT HAD ANY COMMUNICATION WITH CONSENSUS PLANNING OR WITH THE DEFENDANTS IN THIS CASE. NO CONVERSATIONS REGARDING THIS MATTER IN ANY WAY. WHEN YOU'RE A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, IT'S YOUR RIGHT TO SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT TO SAY. EVEN IF IT'S A LIE, EVEN IF IT'S A RUMOR, YOU CAN SPREAD IT AROUND IN EMAILS. YOU CAN PUT IT ON THE RECORD WITH NO EVIDENCE OR BASIS FOR IT WHATSOEVER. LET ME SAY ON THE RECORD THERE WAS NO EX-PARTE COMMUNICATION. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I JUST HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS. THE FIRST ONE IS, IS THERE ANY MECHANISM FOR MAKING SURE WE GET INPUT FROM SOVEREIGN NATIONS WHEN THERE'S A LAND USE ISSUE THAT MIGHT IMPACT THEM? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, GENERALLY SPEAKING, AS OCCURRED IN THIS PLACE THEY CAN PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT ON LAND USE APPLICATION. THEY CAN ALSO JOIN AS PARTIES TO APPEALS. THE IDO DOES REQUIRE NOTIFICATION TO CERTAIN PROPERTY OWNERS AND NOBODY ASSOCIATION. UNLESS AN INTERESTED OR IMPACTED PUEBLO FELL INTO EITHER OF THE TWO CATEGORIES THERE WOULD NOT BE A FORMAL OR REQUIRED WAY TO NOTIFY THEM UNDER THE CURRENT IDO. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. ONE MORE QUESTION. IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE RECORD THAT SAYS OR DOCUMENTS AN OBINSTRUCTION OF THE VIEW OF THE PETROGLYPHS FROM THE LAGUNA PUEBLO? >> THERE IS ARGUMENT, THAT'S A CLAIM, BUT THERE'S NO EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR A MOTION? >>COUN. LEWIS: I MOVE TO ACCEPT THE LUHO RECOMMENDATION. >>COUN. DAVIS: THERE'S A MOTION FROM COUNCILOR LEWIS SECOND FROM COUNCILOR JONES. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO ACCEPT THE LUHO RECOMMENDATION SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT MATTER IS UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU. WE WILL NOW TAKE A BRIEF DINNER BREAK. WE'LL BE BACK IN ABOUT 30 MINUTES, OR SO. FOR THOSE OF YOU HERE FOR OTHER ITEMS, WE ASK YOU TO COME BACK AND WE'LL BE READY TO GO. THANKS. >>COUN. DAVIS: FOLKS WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO GET YOUR ATTENTION. AS SOON AS STAFF TELLS US WE'RE READY TO GO, WE'LL GET BACK ON. ALL RIGHT. I GOT THUMBS UP. WE'RE GOING TO JOSTLE THINGS A LITTLE BIT. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF A COUPLE AIMLESS THINGS TO GET US BACK IN THE MOOD. WE'RE GOING TO START WITH APPROVALS FOR OUR NEW, POTENTIALLY NEW, FIRE CHIEF. I'LL MOVE CONFIRMATION OF MS. JARAMILLO TO THE CHIEF OF FIRE DEPARTMENT. CHIEF OR ACTING INTERIM CHIEF, DEPUTY CHIEF. I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU ARE. WELCOME. CONGRATULATIONS. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I JUST WANT TO THANK THE CITY, CITY ADMINISTRATION, MAYOR KELLER, AND ALL OF YOU FOR GIVING ME THIS OPPORTUNITY. I'M EXCITED TO WORK WITH OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND WITH EVERYBODY. WE HAVE A LOT OF GREAT THINGS GOING ON IN THE DEPARTMENT. WE HAVE A LOT OF CHALLENGES AND JUST VERY EXCITED TO WORK WITH OUR STAFF AND EVERYBODY TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? WE'LL GO TO THE ADMINISTRATION AND GO TO A VOTE. COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: MR. PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. I WANTED TO CONGRATULATE YOU AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE. AND YOUR RESUME IS QUITE IMPRESSIVE. I KNOW THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE IS LUCKY TO HAVE YOU. AND AFR IS LUCKY TO HAVE YOU LEAD THEM. I APPRECIATE YOU AND THANK YOU FOR SERVING YOUR COMMUNITY. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I WANT TO CONGRATULATE YOU, AS WELL. I'VE SEEN YOU IN YOUR WORK AND SEE HOW PROFESSIONAL YOU ARE. AND THE FACT THAT IT'S WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH, I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER GREAT THING AND YOU'LL BE THE FIRST FEMALE FIRE CHIEF IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. CONGRATULATIONS. SORRY. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: I JUST WANT TO ECHO WHAT THE OTHER COUNCILORS SAID, BUT I'LL SAY IT BETTER THAN COUNCILOR PEÑA. POOR THING, SHE'S CHOKING. WELCOME AND CONGRATULATIONS. IN WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH, AS THE FIRST FEMALE FIRE CHIEF IN ALBUQUERQUE, I THINK THAT'S AMAZING. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME DO THAT OVER AGAIN FOR YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILORS, OTHER QUESTIONS? MR. RAEL. >> MR. PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. I WOULD SAY THAT TO THE TIME WE'VE WORKED WITH EMILY IN THIS ADMINISTRATION, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN PROFESSIONAL. VERY COMPETENT INDIVIDUAL. AND AS MANY OF YOU HAVE ALREADY SAID I WAS ADD THE FIRE DEPARTMENT LAST WEEK TO WISH OUR FORMER FIRE CHIEF WELL IN HIS RETIREMENT. I HAPPEN TO WALK BY THE BOARD WITH ALL THE FIRE CHIEFS THAT EVER SERVED THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. IT WAS VERY, VERY APPARENT TO ME THAT DIVERSITY IS REALLY A SIGN OF THE TIMES. HAVING OUR FIRST FEMALE FIRE CHIEF IS REALLY A CREDIT TO EMILY AND HER CAREER AND HER SERVICE TO THE CITY. ALSO THE FACT THAT THE MAYOR WAS VERY, VERY INTERESTED IN ENSURING THAT WE HAVE DIVERSITY AND WE SHOW ALL THESE YOUNG WOMEN IN THE COMMUNITY THAT THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES IN THIS SERVICE TO SERVE YOUR COMMUNITY AND ONE DAY YOU TOO CAN BE A FIRE CHIEF. >>COUN. DAVIS: WELL SAID. THANK YOU. CHIEF, YOU'RE INHERITING A GREAT DEPARTMENT AND A FABULOUS TEAM. YOU'VE BEEN AT THE HEAD OF TAKING CARE OF FIREFIGHTERS TO SOME OF THE SHARPS PROGRAMS DEALING WITH ISSUES THAT AREN'T ALWAYS IN THE FIRE RESCUE WHEEL HOUSE AND SOMEBODY HAS TO DO DO IT. THANK YOU COUNCILORS, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS INSEEING NONE. MOTION IS FOR CONFIRMATION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. MATTER CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. CONGRATULATIONS CHIEF. THAT WAS FUN AND EASY. LET'S TRY ANOTHER ONE. I'M GOING TO SKIP -- IF IT'S OKAY I'M SKIP COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. I'M GOING TO TAKE CARE OF SMALL ADMINISTRATIVE THINGS SO STAFF CAN GO HOME. I THINK WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PUBLIC COMMENTERS. NEXT UP, COUNCILOR BENTON, IF YOU'RE AVAILABLE, IF YOU WANT TO DO R-97. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. R-97 IS PRIORITIING THE MAINTENANCE RESTORATION AND ACTIVE USE OF THE ATCHISON RAIL WEAR -- RAILWAY. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR JONES. >>COUN. BENTON: YEAH, THE STAFF RIGHT UP IS REALLY GOOD BY THIS. MS. MORRIS, WHO IS ONE OF THE FOLKS THAT KNOWS MORE ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE SITE THAN JUST ABOUT ANYONE. THIS PARTICULAR STRUCTURE IS AN ICONIC STRUCTURE IT'S NOT ONE OF THE BIG MASSIVE THINGS THAT YOU SEE IN THE TERMINATER MOVIE. IT'S VERY EVIDENT AS YOU APPROACH THE SITE AND IT'S UNUSUAL IN THAT THE FIRE STATION WAS BUILT REUSING THE MASONRY FROM THE ORIGINAL ROUND HOUSE OF THAT SITE. IT'S GOT A LOT OF HISTORY IN AND OF ITSELF. BUT ALSO BUILT INTO IT FROM PREVIOUS HISTORY OF THE SITE. WE'VE MADE HUGE PROGRESS ON THE SITE. I FEEL SO GRATIFIED THAT DURING MY TIME ON THE COUNCIL WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO TAKE IT AS FAR AS WE HAVE AND IN PARTICULAR WITH THIS ADMINISTRATION WITH THE MAYOR'S SUPPORT AND CAO RAEL'S UNDERSTANDING OF HOW TO GET PROJECTS LIKE THIS ROLLING. AND HAVING HIRED ED ADAMS. THOSE OF YOU THAT KNOW ED FROM WAY BACK, HE'S A GET IT DONE KIND OF A GUY. WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF GREAT WORK DONE. IT'S TIME TO REALLY FOCUS ON THIS SMALL, BUT REALLY BEAUTIFUL, OPPORTUNITY FOR A RESTAURANT OR SOMETHING OF THAT SORT. IT'S OFTEN BEEN DOESED AS A POSSIBLE RESTAURANT. WHATEVER DO WE DO WITH IT, WE OUGHT TO PRESERVE IT. WE WANT TO ASK MR. RAEL IF HE WANTS TO COMMENT AT ALL. HE'S BEEN THROUGH THIS WITH ME ON THE ADVISORY BOARD FOR A LONG TIME. >> MR. PRESIDENT, WE COULDN'T AGREE MORE WITH COUNCILOR BENTON'S PERSPECTIVE ON THIS BUILDING. IT REALLY IS THE ICONIC BUILDING THAT IS I THINK WITHIN REACH BECAUSE OF IT'S SIZE AND IT'S LOCATION ON THE ENTIRE SITE. WE'RE SUPPORTIVE OF THE LEGISLATION. >>COUN. DAVIS: COMBAEGZS OR COMMENTS? >>COUN. BENTON: I THINK I MOVED? OR DID? >>COUN. DAVIS: SOMEBODY DID. COUNCILOR JONES. COUNCILOR BENTON TO CLOSE. >>COUN. BENTON: URGE YOUR SUPPORT COUNCILORS. >>COUN. DAVIS: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT MATTER CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. WE'RE STILL WAITING ON STAFF FOR OTHER ITEMS. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO R-80 WHICH IS A NUISANCE SUBSTANDARD DWELLING IN NEED OF ABATEMENT WITHIN THE CITY THAT IS SO RUINED OR DANGERED TO BE A MENACE. I SEE THE DIRECTOR FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. WE HAVE OTHER SPEAKERS THAT CAN ASSIST US WITH THIS. THIS WAS DEFERRED LAST MEETING. TO GET THIS STARTED I MOVE A DO PASS. MOTION AND A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. DIRECTOR, WOULD YOU, MAYBE THIS IS THE RIGHT PLACE TO GO. WOULD YOU GIVE US A REALLY QUICK UPDATE SINCE WE LAST SPOKE? THERE'S BEEN MEETINGS AND I'LL ASK MS. YARZA TO SPEAK AS WELL AND WE'LL SEE WHERE WE GO. >> WE WERE ASKED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD AN ADDITIONAL MEETING WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER. AND TO MAKE ABSOLUTELY SURE WE HAD A TRANSLATOR AVAILABLE FOR THAT MEETING. WE DID THAT. THE MEETING TOOK PLACE ON THE 2nd OF THIS MONTH. LAST THURSDAY AT 9 A.M. DEPUTY DIRECTOR WITH REPRESENTATIVES OF THE ASIAN BUSINESS COMMUNITY. THEY HAD A CERTIFIED INTERPRETER PRESENT. THE INTERPRETER WAS PRESENT VIA CONFERENCE PHONE BECAUSE IN ORDER TO GET THE CERTIFICATIONS WE DIDN'T HAVE ONE AVAILABLE IN ALBUQUERQUE IN PERSON. AND OF COURSE THE PROPERTY OWNER WAS THERE. THEY WENT THROUGH THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY SEVERAL TIMES. THEY WENT THREW THE CITY'S LAWS AND THE POLICY THAT SAYS THE PROPERTY HAS TO COME DOWN NO MATTER WHAT AND IT HAS TO COME DOWN SOON. THE PROPERTY OWNER ACKNOWLEDGED THROUGH THE TRANSLATOR AND IN ENGLISH THAT SHE DID REALIZE THAT. SHE WAS TRYING TO SEE IF SHE CAN GET THE PROPERTY SOLD. HE EXPLAINED THAT IS PERFECTLY FINE WITH US, BUT VARIOUS OWNERSHIP CHANGES, NUMBER ONE DON'T EFFECT THE FACT THAT THE PROPERTY HAS TO COME DOWN AND THAT WE'RE PLANNING TO HAVE IT TAKEN DOWN ONCE RESOLUTION IS IN PLACE UNLESS THE PROPERTY OWNER OR A VERY QUICK NEW BUYER CAN COME IN WITH A SIGNED CONTRACT WITH A DEMOLITION CONTRACTOR THAT HAS A VERY REASONABLE TIME PERIOD IN THERE. THE CITY IS NOT INTERESTED -- AND THE FACT OF PUTTING A LIEN OF A PROPERTY. WE'RE WILLING TO LET THE PRIVATE SECTOR TAKE CARE OF THAT. WHICH IT REALLY SHOULD HAVE DONE IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. MAYBE A REPRESENTATIVE STATING THEY DID SIGN A LETTER OF INTENT. FOR SOMEBODY TO BUY THE PROPERTY. THEY'RE STILL ASKING FOR THE RESOLUTION TO BE PASSED. THIS IS VERY ADKWKTLY EXPLAINED. WE APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S INVOLVEMENT IN THIS AND THE PROPERTY OWNER, OF COURSE WE FEEL FOR HER, WE EMPS THE IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE REALITY THAT THIS DANGEROUS PROPERTY NEEDS TO COME DOWN. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, DIRECTOR. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE PUBLIC COMMENT. I THINK YOU'RE OUR COMMENTER. WELCOME BACK. WHILE YOU'RE COMING DOWN, I CAN'T SAY CAN HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE YOU STEPPING IN FACILITATING THIS AND IDENTIFYING GAPS FOR ADDRESSING FOLKS WITH ALTERNATE LANGUAGE NEEDS. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, ADMINISTRATION, I WEAR MY NECKLACE IN HONOR OF THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS. IT'S THE EMBODIMENT OF COURAGE, WISDOM, JUSTICE AND COMPASSION. AND BECAUSE OUR WORK IS NOT COMPLETE WE ASK FOR PATIENCE ON THIS SITUATION. AN OFFER HAS BEEN MADE FROM B3 DEVELOPMENT. A BLACK OWNED DEVELOPMENT TEAM LED BY THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT ECONOMIC TEAM. THE COPY WAS SENT TO YOU TODAY. WE FEEL CONFIDENT THIS CASE WILL BE CLOSED WITHIN A WEEK PENDING THE OFFER FROM THE IT WOULD BE THE BEST OF THE TAXPAYERS BEST INTEREST TO LET THE PRIVATE DEVELOPER COMPLETE THE DEMOLISH INSTEAD OF THE CITY. THAT'S WHY WE ASK FOR YOU HERE TODAY. WE RECOMMENDED THE CLIENT NOT TO ATTEND THIS MEETING. SHE EXPERIENCED A MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS. DUE TO THE TONE AND CONVERSATION. SHE WAS OVERWHELMED WITH THE FINANCES. WE DO APPRECIATE HER ACTIVE RESPONSE SINCE NOVEMBER 22. WE FEEL THAT THE CITY'S PLANNING TEAM FAILED TO COMMUNICATE PROPERLY. WE HOPE OTHER IMMIGRANT INDIVIDUALS DID NOT LOSE THEIR PROPERTIES THE WAY THIS CLIENT. KNOWING THE PLANNING PROCESS SYSTEM IS IN PLANNING IS A LITTLE BIT MESSY WE'RE WAITING FOR A REQUEST ASKING FOR A LANGUAGE ACCESS PLAN. IF I CAN FINISH MY LAST THOUGHT. WE FEEL THIS PROCESS NEEDS TO BE REDEVELOPED AND MORE JUSTICE AND COMPASSION NEED TO BE HAD FOR API OWNED BUSINESSES. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANY QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. IF I CAN ASK YOU HERE, BRIEFLY, DIRECTOR. IF THE OWNER IS ABLE TO NEGOTIATE SOMETHING FROM THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO PURCHASE THIS PROPERTY BEFORE THE CITY EXECUTES OUR CONTRACT OR WHATEVER IT IS WE HAVE TO DO TO GET THIS DONE, AS LONG AS THEY PROVIDE YOU NOTICE THAT WOULD SATISFY THE CITY? >> YES, IT WOULD. WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE RESOLUTION. WE AGREE. IT WOULD MAKE LOT MORE SENSE FOR IT TO BE DONE PRIVATELY. REAL ESTATE SALES FALL THROUGH ALL THE TIME. LET'S SEE HOW IT GOES. THERE WILL BE INDICTMENT ISSUES THAT I HAVE MY FINGERS CROSSED THAT IS GOES THROUGH. SOMEBODY WILL NEED TO BRING US A SIGNED CONTRACT WITH AN ACTUAL DATE OF THE DEMOLITION NOT MORE SPECULATION. OTHERWISE IT'S TOO DANGEROUS TO GO ON. WE'RE NOT GOING TO RACE THEM TO DO THE DEMILATION, WEJUST NEED TO GET IT UNPLACE. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. IF THERE'S NOT ANY OTHER CONVICTIONS. COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE PLANNING ON MAKING A MOTION, I JUST WANTED TO GO BACK TO LAST WEEK AND SAY THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT, FOR INDULGING IN THIS CONVERSATION. I'M GLAD YOU'RE ABLE TO GO BACK. I KNOW I MADE SOME COMMENTS, AND IT WASN'T SOME OF THE DUE DILIGENCE HAD NOT BEEN DONE. I FELT THE WHOLE TRANSLATION PROCESS WE WERE ENGAGING IN WAS NOT TRANSLATING VERY WELL. I'M GLAD AND I'M SORRY SHE HAD A MENTAL HEALTH BREAKDOWN AS A RESULT. IT LOOKS AS THOUGH THERE MAY BE SOME PROMISE. >>COUN. DAVIS: I THINK THAT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO TO GIVE US A FEW MORE MINUTES TO DO THAT. THAT SAID, I HOPE WE MOVE A DO PASS IN THIS MATTER. IT IS A DANGER TO OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND FIRST RESPONDERS WHO CONTINUE TO RESPOND AND BY THE NEIGHBORS WHO ARE DEALING WITH THE FIRES AND OTHER THINGS. I THINK THERE'S A PATH FORWARD. IF THERE'S A PRIVATE SECTOR TO THIS BEFORE THE CITY GETS AROUND TO IT. I THINK THE PUBLIC SAFETY RISKS OUTWEIGHS THIS DEFERRAL. BY THE TIME . >>COUN. DAVIS: WITH THAT I ENCOURAGE A DO PASS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. ALL THOSE OPPOSED. THAT MATTER CARRIES 8-1. I'M SORRY. 8-2. COUNCILOR LEWIS AND COUNCILOR PEÑA OPPOSED. THANK YOU, ALL. COUNCILOR PEÑA, I THINK YOUR MATTER IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BRIEFER THAN WE THOUGHT. IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU, LET'S TAKE R-112 AND WE'LL GO TO THE OTHER LONGER MATTER. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. R-112 IS CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE PROJECT RECOMMENDATION TO THE MID-REGION COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS FOR INCLUSION OF THE 2045 METROPOLITAN PLAN FOR CONSIDERATION FOR FEDERAL FUNDING IN THE PROPOSED FY2022-25 IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM FOR ALBUQUERQUE METROPOLITAN PLANNING AREA. I MOVE A DO PASS. WITH THAT, I HAVE AN AMENDMENT. NOPE. I'M SORRY. I'M GOING TO MOVE A DEFERRAL. I APOLOGIZE. >>COUN. DAVIS: LET'S PUT THE MATTER FOR A DO PASS TO GET THE AMENDMENT IN AND WE'LL GET A DEFERRAL. WE'LL TAKE COUNCILOR BENTON ON THE SECOND FOR YOUR AMENDMENT. YOU HAVE AN AMENDMENT? >>COUN. PEÑA: THAT'S CORRECT. SORRY. I CONFUSED MYSELF. FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE IS JUST TO REPLACE WITH THE ATTACHED TO AMENDMENT. IT CORRECTED TECHNICAL AMENDMENT BY REPLACING THE WORKING LIST SUBMITTED IN YOUR PACKED WITH THE FINAL SUBMITTED LIST. RATHER THAN HAVE YOU TRY TO DIGEST EVERYTHING THAT'S DIFFERENT HERE TONIGHT, WE FIGURED A DEFERRAL WOULD BE THE BEST BET. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR BENTON. I THINK ON THE AMENDMENT FIRST. AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE AND COUNCILOR BENTON IS GOING TO SECOND THAT. ANY DISCUSSION AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVORER SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT MATTER 9-0. COUNCILOR PEÑA BACK ON YOUR BILL. YOU WANTED A DEFERRAL? >>COUN. PEÑA: YES, TWO WEEKS. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR BENTON. ANY DISCUSSION. SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT MATTER CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. THAT WAS EASY. THANK YOU. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. YOU ARE LAST BUT NOT LEAST. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THIS IS O-60 COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTED ADOPTING NEW ARTICLE IN THE REVISED ORDINANCES 1994 FOR RESIDENTIAL TENALITY PROTECTION ORDINANCE. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR BENTON. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: EVERYBODY FOLLOWED THROUGH THIS WE'VE GONE THROUGH A DRAMATIC CHANGE. THERE'S A HOUSING CRISIS IN ALBUQUERQUE. AND THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE UNABLE TO PAY THE SOMETIMES VERY, VERY EXTREME APPLICATION FEES AND VARIOUS MONTHLY FEES TO REMAINED HOUSES. THIS BILL IS SUPPOSED TO WORK ON THAT. WE HAD A SERIES OF PUBLIC MEETINGS WITH ALL INTERESTED PARTIES EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT REACHED OUT TO MY OFFICE OR TO COUNCIL STAFF WAS INSLIGHTED. WE WENT THROUGH THREE ROUNDS OF EDITS WITH FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC ON EACH ROUND OF THE EDITS. THOSE THAT PARTICIPATED FULLY IN THIS PROCESS YOU'LL HEAR FROM THEM TONIGHT ARE VERY HAPPY WITH THE RESULT. THOSE WHO CAME TO A MEETING AND SAID WE DON'T LIKE ANY TYPE OF REGULATION AT ALL UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES ARE UNHAPPY. THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE'RE AT. I WANT TO QUICKLY SAY THE NEW VERSION OF THIS BILL WHICH YOU'LL HEAR TONIGHT HAS JUST FIVE MAJOR POINTS IN IT. ONE IS THAT LANDLORDS WOULD HAVE TO DISCLOSE FEES IF THEY ARE GOING TO CHARGE PEOPLE BEFORE SOMEONE SIGNS A LEASE. FOLKS HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE PAYING TO LIVE IN A UNIT ONCE THEY SIGN A LEASE. THERE'S A LIMIT ON APPLICATION FEES TO $150. WE HAVE EXPERIENCED PEOPLE BEING CHARGED UP TO $300 JUST TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE THEY CAN SIGN A LEASE ON A RENTAL UNIT. THIS REQUIRES APPLICATIONS BUT NOT PROCESSED BECAUSE SOMEONE CAME FIRST AND THAT APPLICATION WAS APPROVED BE REFUNDED. IF IT'S PROCESSED AND IT'S TURNED DOWN FOR ANY REASON YOU GET TO KEEP THAT MONEY. BUT IF YOU LITERALLY TURNED IN AN APPLICATION AND IT DIDN'T GET PROCESSED YOU SHOULD GET TO KEEP THE MONEY. THIS ORDINANCE SAYS YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT MONEY ORDERS. YOU CAN ACCEPT ANY OTHER PAYMENT YOU WANT. PUT THE PAYMENT WE'VE ALL AGREED ON IN THE MEETINGS WE HAD IS MONEY ORDERS IS A SAFE WAY TO ACCEPT RENT. THE LAST THING IN THIS BILL IS THAT A RENTER IS NOT REQUIRED TO BUY RENTER'S INSURANCE ON THEIR OWN BELONGS. THIS IS NOT A BIG BROUGHT STATE. THEY'RE ADULTS THEY CAN DETERMINE WHAT THEY WANT TO BUY INSURANCE ON. A LANDLORD CAN REQUIRE RENTER'S INSURANCE THAT PAYS FOR DAMAGES THAT MAY HAPPEN TO THEIR PROPERTY. THAT IS IN HERE. THE OTHER THING THAT'S IN HERE IS YOU CANNOT FORCE A TENANT TO PURCHASE INSURANCE THROUGH YOU AS THE LANDLORD. WE HAD THOSE EXPERIENCES AND THAT IS REALLY, REALLY UNFAIR TO THE RENTERS. THAT'S WHAT'S IN THIS BILL RIGHT NOW. IT IS CLEARLY A TENANT PROTECTION BILL THAT HAS BEEN WORKED ON FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS WITH EVERYBODY WHO WOULD SIT DOWN AND WORK WITH US. WITH THAT, I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THE PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'LL MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT. WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL OUR SPEAKERS. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS TODD FOLLOWED BY ALAN. >> GOOD EVENING, MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, I LIVE IN DISTRICT TWO. I WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THIS LEGISLATION. I WANTED TO VOTE AGAINST. I THANK THE SPONSOR AND THE COUNCILOR FOR MEETING WITH US AND MAKING THE MODIFICATIONS. THAT SAID, I BELIEVE THE LEGISLATION CONTAINS MAJOR ISSUES INCLUDING THE FOLLOWING POINTS. THE DEFINITIONS IN THE LEGISLATION CONFLICT WITH THE OWNER-RESIDENT RELATIONS ACT. FOR EXAMPLE ITEMS CALLED FINES ARE CALLED FEES IN THE UNIFORM REGULATIONS ACT. THIS WILL ONLY CAUSE CONFUSION WITH OWNERS AND RESIDENTS. THE ORDINANCE IS -- CONTRACT THE OWNER ENSURES THE PROPERTY FOR DAMAGE AND THE RESIDENT PROVIDES INSURANCE FOR THE BELONGS. LACKING BOTH LEAVES THE PARTY OPEN TO A POTENTIAL LOSS. THE LEGISLATIONOLOGIST -- LEGISLATION HAS A NUMBER OF POTENTIAL VIOLATIONS WITH FAIR HOUSING. MOST HOUSING USES A SERVICE PROVIDED WITH THE CRITERIA. THAT SERVICE INDICATES THAT THEY MEET OR DO NOT MEET THE CRITERIA. THESE SEFRBSZS ALLOW THE LANDLORD TO HAVE A BLIND TO THE RESIDENCE. THE REQUIREMENT TO DISCLOSE TO THE RESIDENT WHY THEY FEEL TO MEET THE CRITERIA REMOVES THE FAIRNESS AND OPENS THE DOOR TO LETIGATION IS THE RESIDENT CAN CHOOSE TO INTERPRET IT AS ACTION AGAINST THEIR PROTECTED HOUSING CLASS. THE OTHER IS REFOUNDING THE FEE. THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE UP FOR THE FEE IS RAISE RENT ON THE OTHER RESIDENT -- WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A RESIDENT CHALLENGES A UNIT OR NEEDS A LOCKSMITH? HOW CAN A LANDLORD FORECAST ALL OF THE FUTURE SITUATIONS AND COSTS AND IF THEY DO NOT DISCLOSE THEY CANNOT SEEK REIMBURSEMENT. >> ALAN FOLLOWED BY STACY. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COMMITTEE MEMBERS, I DO WANT TO THANK THE COUNCIL FOR HOSTING THE MEETINGS. I DID ATTENT BOTH MEETINGS AND THERE WAS CHANGES MADE TO THE BILL. UNFORTUNATELY, MANY, MANY BIG ISSUES REMAIN IN THE BILL. AS THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER ALLUDED TO. THE DEFINITIONS CONFLICT. WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE WHEN YOU RENT A PROPERTY TO SOMEONE YOU HAVE TO GIVE THEM UNIFORM RESIDENT RELATIONS ACT. WE WOULD HAND A DISCLOSURE OF WHAT RENT IS AND NEW MEXICO UNIFORM RELATIONS ACT. THE OTHER THING IS IN THIS DISCLOSURE IS IT'S NOT JUST PUTTING WHAT'S RENT AND THE APPLICATION FEE. IT'S ANY FEE YOU EVER CHARGE TO THEM. WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO END UP WITH IS A 20-PAGE DISCLOSURE. IT'S GOING TO BE A LOCKSMITH FEE, A BROKEN DOOR HANDLE FEE, A CLOGGED TOILET FEE, THE LIST IS TRULY ENDLESS. AND SO, IT BECOMES IT'S NOT PRODUCTIVE FOR THE OWN OR THE RESIDENT. THIS IS ESPECIALLY TRUE ON SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. THERE'S COMPANIES THAT MANAGE FOUR OR FIVE RUNDRED SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. EVERY SINGLE HOME WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A DISCLOSURE WRITTEN FOR IT. WE DID A SURVEY WHEN THIS CAME OUT, I SENT IT TO THE MEMBERSHIP AND I SAID WOULD YOU CONSIDER RAISING RENT IF THIS WERE TO PASS. 86% OF THE RESPONDENTS SAID THEY WOULD RAISE RENT IF THIS BILL WAS TO PASS. THERE'S ANOTHER PROVISION THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO USE THE SAME PAYMENT PROCESS THAT A CUSTOMER IS ACCOSTMED TO PAYING, BUT EVERY PROPERTY MANAGEMENT USES A DIFFERENT SOFTWARE. THERE'S NO WAY THAT CAN ACTUALLY BE POSSIBLE AND UNDERSTAND IT SOUNDS GOOD, BUT IT'S ABSOLUTELY NOT POSSIBLE. FOR THOSE REASONS AND MORE WE DEFINITELY OPPOSE THIS BILL AND WE URGE YOU TO VOTE AGAINST IT. THANK YOU. >> STACY FOLLOWED BY STEVE GRANT. >> I'M NOT STACY. GOOD EVENING, MR. PRESIDENT. FELLOW, CITY COUNCIL, I'M A PROPERTY OWNER IN ALBUQUERQUE. I'VE BEEN HERE OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS. PRESIDENT OF THE APARTMENT ASSOCIATION I'VE SPOKEN IN FRONT OF YOU BEFORE. IT'S GOOD TO BE BACK. I'M GOING TO REPEAT WHAT HAS BEEN MENTIONED A MOMENT AGO. I WANT TO THANK COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN FOR WELCOMING OUR COMMENTS WITH THE MEETINGS YOU HAD. AND OPENING THE DIALOGUE. THERE'S BEEN CONCESSIONS. WE APPRECIATE THAT. WE'RE GLAD TO SEE IT WAS -- WE'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. HOWEVER THERE'S STILL CONFLICTING ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. THEREFORE, WE ARE NOT COMFORTABLE SUPPORTING OR ENDORSING THE REVISED PROPOSALS. FIRST AND FOREMOST AS MENTIONED ALREADY, THE NEW MEXICO UNIFORM OWNERS RESIDENT ACT, IT'S EXTREME LEGAL CHANGE WHEN IT COMES TO -- MENTIONED FULL DISCLOSURE DOCUMENTATION REQUIRED FOR PERSPECTIVE TENANT. YOU MUST ALSO MAKE THE FOLLOWING DISCLOSURE THROUGH ADS AND CRITTEN COMMUNICATION. THE WORD DISCLOSURE IS MAYBE ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONCERNS OF THEM ALL. IT'S A WHAT IF SCENARIO. THE APPLICATION FEE IS ALSO HELD BY THE OWNER. IF APPROVED, ALL IS GOOD. IF NOT APPROVED, THE FEE HAS TO BE REFUNDED WITHIN 15 DAYS. THIS CAN BE KWIEALITY -- QUITE CUMBERSOME. IN ADDITION, THE PAYMENT FOR RENT OR IF SOMEBODY IS ACTUALLY PAYING FOR THEIR APARTMENT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A RECEIPT. AND THE OTHER ITEM THAT IS CONCERNING IS THE INSURANCE ITEM. FOR THOSE REASONS, WE DEFINITELY OPPOSE THIS BILL AND I THINK THERE'S -- WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK BUT THERE'S A LONG WAY TO GO TO MAKE SURE THERE'S A BETTER WAY. THE CHOICE IS YOURS. PLEASE VOTE ON THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE. >> FOLLOWED BY BECKS ON ZOOM. >> MR. PRESIDENT, I'M ALEX, I'M A STUDENT AT UNM. I HAVE TO RENT FOR MY HOUSING. I ENCOURAGE YOU TO PASS THIS BILL. I HAD TO RENT PLACES WHERE I PAY $200 APPLICATION FEE AND THEN I'M TOLD BY THE WAY THERE'S A $400 PET FEE. BY THE WAY THERE'S AN$80 PARKING FEE. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT THERE ARE GOING TO BE FEES FOR. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT IF I SEE AHEAD OF TIME I WOULD HAVE APPLIED FOR ANOTHER APARTMENT BUT NOW I'M $400 AND I CAN'T AFFORD TO APPLY TO PLACES. THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT MIGHT REQUIRE FEES YES IT COULD BE AN EXTENSIVE LIST. AS A TENANT I LIKE THAT. I LIKE THE FACT THAT I KNOW I HAVE THIS PIECE OF PAPER I CAN LOOK AT AND SAY THIS IS A REASONABLE FEE. I'M OKAY WITH APPLYING TO THIS PLACE. IF THIS HAPPENS I CAN AFFORD TO THIS. I'VE RENTED PLACE WHERE I HAVE A LOW APPLICATION FEE. I KNOW IT CAN BE DONE. AND I KNOW THAT LANDLORDS ARE ABLE TO HAVE APPLICATIONS FOR THE REASONABLE PRICES BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO. I'VE BEEN ABLE TO GO TO LANDLORDS AHEAD OF TIME AND ASK ARE THERE ANY FEES I SHOULD KNOW ABOUT AHEAD OF TIME. THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TELL THEE THIS. I'VE BEEN ABLE TO GO AND SEE THAT LANDLORDS ARE CAPABLE OF DOING THIS IF THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO HELP ME OUT AND BE GOOD LANDLORDS AS I'VE HAD. I'VE HAD LANDLORDS THAT WON'T DO THIS AND WILL CHARGE FEES AND TRY TO TAKE AS MUCH MONEY AS I'M ABLE TO GIVE THEM AND IT MAKES RENTING DIFFICULT AND A PRECARIOUS SITUATION. I ASK FOR MYSELF AND ALL THE UNM STUDENTS THAT WEREN'T ABLE TO COME FOR SOME REASON BUT DO RENT AND FIND THEMSELVES IN SIMILAR SITUATIONS WHICH IS A MAJORITY OF THE STUDENTS I KNOW. PLEASE APPROVE THIS BILL. THANK YOU. >> BECKS ON ZOOM FOLLOWED BY SERG. >> HI, I'M AN ORGANIZER WITH THE PEOPLE'S HOUSING PROJECT. I WAS CALLING TO SUPPORT THIS BILL. I ACTUALLY THING THAT IT IS REALLY SILLY TO IMPOSE $150 IN FEES BY LANDLORDS. PERSONALLY I NEVER PAID MORE THAN $30 TO MOVE INTO AN APARTMENT. MOST OF THE TIME I PAID NOTHING. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY LANDLORDS ARE REQUIRING THESE FEES. SOME OF THE SPEAKERS SAID THAT YOU KNOW THESE FEES YOU CAN'T JUST CLOSE THEM BECAUSE THEY TALK ABOUT DAMAGES TO THE APARTMENT. BUT A FEE DIFFERENT THAN A DAMAGE. THAT IS TYPICALLY DEFINED IN A LEASE. I THINK THOSE COMMENTS AREN'T REALLY RELEVANT TO THE ARGUMENT. AND $150, THAT CAN REALLY MAKE-OR-BREAK A LOT OF WORKING PEOPLE. THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY. IT'S VERY GENEROUS FOR LANDLORDS. I THINK IT'S EXTREMELY REASONABLE FOR LANDLORDS TO PROVIDE THE FEES AFTER PAYMENT. I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY BUSINESS WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO PROVIDE A RECEIPT. I HAVE HAD MANY TENANTS CALLING ME SAYING THEIR LANDLORD HAS ACCUSED THEM OF NOT PAYING RENT WHEN IT'S GONE OUT OF THE BANK ACCOUNT THEY'VE GIVEN A MONEY ORDER OR CHECK AND PAID ONLINE AND THE LANDLORDS ARE SAYING WE DON'T HAVE IN THE MONEY. I THINK IT'S UNFAIR THE LANDLORDS AREN'T REQUIRED TO PROVIDE A RECEIPT AND ACCUSE A TENANT OF NOT PAYING WHEN THEY HAVE. IN ADDITION TO THAT IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO DISCLOSE CREDIT AND INCOME FOR THE SAME REASON ABOUT THE FEES BECAUSE IF YOUR CREDIT OR INCOME ISN'T AT A CERTAIN LEVEL YOU DON'T WANT TO WASTE OUR TIME AND WASTE MONEY APPLYING FOR AN APARTMENT YOU CAN'T GET APPROVED FOR. THANK YOU. >> SERGE FOLLOWED BY CAMERON. >> HI, YOU'VE SEEN ME MANY TIMES BEFORE. I'M A FACULTY OF UNM SCHOOL OF LAW WHERE I TEACH RIGHT AND PRACTICES IN THE AREA OF LANDLORD TENANT LAW. I'M ALSO THE PRESIDENT OF A SMALL NON-PROFIT THAT WORKS TO SUPPORT RENTERS IN BERNALILLO COUNTY WITH SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN AND PROMOTE ISSUES OF STABILITY. WE'RE WORKING CLOSELY WITH OLE, ANOTHER ORGANIZATION, WE'RE ASKING TENANTS ABOUT WHAT ARE YOUR BIGGEST CONCERNS. HALF OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN SURVEYED SO FAR HAVE NAMED FEES AS THEIR FIRST OR SECOND BIGGEST CONCERN. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS VERY MUCH AN ISSUE FOR THE LOW INCOME RENTERS IN ALBUQUERQUE WHO ARE DESPERATE FOR SOME RELIEF, FOR SOME UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY NEED PREDICTABILITY. THEY NEED TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AND MAKE SURE THE FEES ARE REASONABLE AND PREDICTABLE AND THAT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT TO PLAN THEIR LIVES. I'VE READ THE BILL THERE'S NOTHING THAT LIMITS THE ABILITY TO RECOVER DAMAGES FOR ANY VIOLATION OF THE LEASE. WHAT IT DOES TALK ABOUT IS PREDICTABILITY OF FEES AND REEBABILITY OF FEES. I STRONGLY URGE YOU TO PASS IT. THANK YOU. >>-- FOLLOWED BY PATRICIA. >> HELLO. I SPEAK TODAY URGING YOU TO VOTE YES ON O-66. THIS BILL IS A START FOR BASIC RIGHTS THAT ALL RENTERS NEED TO HAVE. IT IS OUTRAGES THAT A LANDLORD DOES NOT HAVE TO LIST THE QUALIFICATIONS FOR RENTER ON THE ADVERTISEMENT. THE FACT THAT I WON'T KNOW IF I QUALIFY FOR AN APARTMENT BEFORE I PAY AN APPLICATION FEE SHOWS HOW MUCH THEY CAN PROFIT FROM APPLICATION. ALSO, I'VE NEVER REALLY HAD TO PAY MORE THAN $40 FOR AN APPLICATION. I DON'T KNOW ANYWHERE THAT CHARGES $150. I DO WORRY THAT THIS BILL WILL INCENTIVIZE LANDLORDS TO CHARGE MORE FOR APPLICATION FEES. THE REALLY NEEDS TO BE NO FEES FOR APPLICATION IN ALL HONESTY. OR FOR USE OF A DESIGNATED ONLINE PORTAL. OR EVEN SUBMITTING A PAYMENT VIA MONEY ORDER. AT THIS TIME LANDLORDERIZE -- FOR TENANT LEAVING A GRAY AREA FOR FEES THAT A TENANT WOULD NEVER KNOW ABOUT. IF THERE'S RECEIPT AND THEY JUST CHARGE YOU FOR IT YOU MIGHT NOT KNOW WHY YOU HAVE A FEE. SO THIS BILL IS NOT BURBTH -- PERFECT IT'S A NECESSARY STEP TO STOP EXPLOITATION FROM A LANDLORD. THANK YOU. >> PATRICIA FOLLOWED BY ASHLEY. >> THANK YOU. MY HUSBAND AND I PERSONALLY OWN AND MANAGE TWO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND TWO DUPLEXES AND DO NOT CHANGE ANY EXCESSIVE AND UNREASONABLE FEES. SO, WHAT I WONDER IS HAVE THERE BEEN ANY ANALYSIS REGARDING THE NUMBER OF UNITS UNDER MANAGEMENT BY LOCAL PROPERTY COMPANIES AND BY OUT OF STATE COMPANY AND LOCAL MOM AND POP LANDLORDS. I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF CHANGES TO THIS BILL SINCE IT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED AND I'M COMING A LITTLE LATE TO THE TABLE BECAUSE I WASN'T INVOLVED IN ANY OF THE MEETINGS BUT I STAND PERSONALLY IN OPPOSITION TO THIS ORDINANCE UNLESS IT'S AMENDED TO DEFINE AND THEN EXCLUDE SMALLER, INDEPENDENT, INDIVIDUALLY OWNED RENTAL PROPERTY MANAGERS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> ASHLEY FOLLOWED BY JONATHAN. >> HELLO, THANK YOU FOR HEARING. I'M WITH A SMALL BROKERAGE IN TOWN, WE MANAGE ABOUT 70 PROPERTY. I'VE BEEN A PROPERTY MANAGER FOR FOUR YEARS GOING ON FIVE. WE SUPPORT THIS BILL. WE HAVE BEEN A LITTLE SHOCKED WHEN WE HAVE PEOPLE APPLY FOR OUR PROPERTIES, WE DON'T CHARGE A FEE. WE'RE A SMALLER BROKERAGE. IT'S EASY ENOUGH. WE DISCLOSE ALL FEES UP FRONT. AND WE'RE JUST REALLY SURPRISED AT JUST HOW MANY BROKERAGES OR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANIES SEEM TO BE ABUSING THE SYSTEM. I THINK THIS ORDINANCE IS VERY TRANSPARENT. IT HELPS LEVEL THE FIELD FOR BOELTH -- BOTH THE PROPERTY MANAGERS AND TENANTS. WE HOPE YOU WILL SUPPORT THIS. THANK YOU. >> JONATHAN FOLLOWED BY ANN. >> HELLO, COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCIL MEMBERS. I'M THE -- IT'S A CONSERVATIVE APPROACH THAT PROVIDES TOOLS THAT HELP HARDWORKING PEOPLE IMPROVE THEIR LIVES AND THE LIVES OF THOSE AROUND THEM BY MILDLY BUFFERING WHAT HAS BECOME AN UNRESTRAINED CAPTURE AND KILL ECONOMIC TRANSACTION. WE CAN INCREASE THE RESPONSIBILITY AND SAFETY OF OUR COMMUNITY BY INCREASING OPPORTUNITY AND DECREASING DESPERATION AND HOPELESSNESS. PLEASE VOTE YES ON 0-22-60. THE RESIDENTIAL TENANT PROTECTION ORDINANCE. THANK YOU. >> ANN FOLLOWED BY RILEY. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILORS, I'M THE CEO OF PROSPERITY WORK. I'M HERE TO ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT FOR THE RESIDENTIAL TENANT PROTECTION ORDINANCE. LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS DESERVE TRANSPARENCY ON ALL FEES THAT MAY BE CHARGED WHEN RENTING IN ALBUQUERQUE. THEY ALSO DESERVE TO HAVE FEES CHARGED REASONABLE. THE RESIDENTIAL TENANT PROTECTION ORDINANCE PROVIDES GUARDRAILS THAT PROTECTS TENANTS FROM FEES. IMAGINE THAT YOU WERE LIVING IN AN APARTMENT WITH YOUR FAMILY AND YOU NOTIFIED YOU OWED A MONTHLY PET FEE. FEES YOU DIDN'T BUDGET. YOU APPLIED AT THREE APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT KEEP YOUR CHILD AT THE SAME SCHOOL AND KEEP YOUR CLOSE TO THE BUS LINE YOU USE TO GO TO WORK. EACH USES A $200 APPLICATION FEE. IT USES THE CUSHION YOU WERE USING FOR THE DEPOSIT FOR THE NEW PLACE. AS YOU CAN SEE THESE CAN ADD UP QUICKLY FOR THE COMMUNITY MEMBER. THANK YOU IN ADVANCE FOR SUPPORTING GREATER CONSUMER PROTECTION FOR REN RENTERS IN ALBUQUERQUE BY VOTING YES. >> RILEY FOLLOWED BY CHARLTEN. >> GOOD EVENING, I AM HOUSING STABILITY ATTORNEY AT NEW MEXICO LEGAL. I URGE YOU TO PASS THIS BILL. EXCESSIVE APPLICATION FEES IMPACT THE LOW INCOME CLIENTS. PARTICULARLY THOSE HOLDING SUBSIDIZED VOUCHERS. AGAIN AND AGAIN WE HEAR FROM CLIENTS THEY'RE UNABLE TO SECURE NEW HOUSING BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD THE APPLICATION FEES. THIS IS A PARTICULAR IMPORTANCE OF THOSE WITH VOUCHERS WHO HAVE A TIME LIMIT IN WHICH TO USE VOUCHER AT A NEW UNIT. IF FROM A TYPICAL SSI INCOME OF $800 A TENANT APPLIES AT TWO DIFFERENT APARTMENTS, THEY EFFECTIVELY LOST THEIR MONTHLY INCOME ESPECIALLY IF NONE OF THE APPLICATIONS ARE APPROVE MCHD IF THEY HAVE AN AVOUCHER NOT ONLY HAVE THEY LOST INCOME BUT THEIR PUT IT AT RISK OF EXPIRATION. THEY WILL HAVE TO WAIT FOR ANOTHER MONTH TO APPLY AGAIN. LIMITING THESE AND OTHER FEES AND MAKING THEM REFUNDABLE WILL GO A LONG WAY TOWARD HELPING THE LOW INCOME CLIENTS THAT NEW MEXICO LEGAL AID SERVES TO FIND AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I ALSO TLIEK NOTE AS SOMEONE THAT LOOKS AT LANDLORD TENANT LAW, IN MY LEGAL ANALYSIS THIS DOES NOT CONFLICT WITH STATE LAW. MY READING OF THE BILL DOES NOT REQUIRE A ASSESSMENTS FOR DAMAGES ARE DONE AFTER MOVE OUT. AGAINST THE DAMAGE DEPOSIT PURSUANT TO STATE LAW. I URGE YOU TO PASS THIS BILL. THANK YOU. >> CHARLTEN FOLLOWED BY CATHERINE. >> HELLO, EVERYONE. I AM SPEAKING TODAY AND URGING YOU TO PASS THIS BILL. IN MY CAPACITY, I'M A COMMUNITY SCHOOL COORDINATOR AND A CASE MANAGER FOR HEADING HOME. AND SO I WORK WITH THE POPULATION WHO SUFFERS FROM HOMELESSNESS. AND I'M ALSO PRESIDENT OF PAY IT FORWARD NEW MEXICO. WE ASSIST THOSE SAME INDIVIDUALS WITH PAYING SOME OF THESE FEES THAT ARE VERY HIGH. AND IN MY OPINION THEY'RE UNNECESSARY. FOR EXAMPLE AN APPLICATION FEE SHOULD RARELY RISE ABOVE THE TAG OF $150. TO DO A BACKGROUND CHECK IT'S AN AVERAGE OF $60. THERE'S NO REASON TO HAVE $300 APPLICATION FEE. I HAVE A FRIEND THAT'S A LANDLORD AND A PROPERTY OWNER AND ANOTHER FRIEND THAT'S A PROPERTY MANAGER AND THEY SHOWED ME RECEIPTS OF HOW MUCH IT COST TO DO A BACKGROUND CHECK. MANY OF THE FEES ARE NOT ONLY ADDITIONAL HOUSING BARRIERS BUT I'M GOING TO CALL IT FOR WHAT IT IS, IT'S A RACKET. IT'S A RACKET TO MAKE ADDITIONAL INCOME. IF YOU HAVE $200 APPLICATION FEE AND 20 PEOPLE APPLY THAT'S A COUPLE THOUSAND DOLLARS THEY'VE MADE THAT DWARFS THE SECURITY DEPOSIT. THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME REGULATION ON THIS BECAUSE IT'S OUT OF HAND. AND THE ONLY PEOPLE EXPLOITED ARE THOSE ALREADY STRUGGLING AND THOSE WHO CAN'T AFFORD TO GET HOUSED. WITH THAT BEING SAID, I STRONGLY URGE YOU TO PASS THIS BILL TO PROTECT THOSE GOING THROUGH A HOUSING CRISIS AND HAVE SOME LEVEL OF EQUITY AND FAIRNESS IN THIS HOUSING MARKET THAT IS LACKING BECAUSE THE TENANTS ARE NOT BEING TAKEN CARE OF AND IT'S TIME FOR THEM TO BE BALANCE. THANK YOU VERY FOR YOUR TIME. >> CATHERINE FOLLOWED BY KENDRA. >> THANK YOU, COUNCILORS. I'M THE DIRECTOR OF THE BLACK SLEEDER THP COUNSELP. I WILL STIPULATE THAT OWNERS OF PROPERTIES HAVE CERTAIN SET OF RIGHTS. THESE ARE PROPERTIES AS THEY SEE FIT WITHIN THE LAW. THE LAWS UP DOPTED IN THE UNITED STATES FOLLOW ENGLISH COMMON LAW AND PROPERTY LAW THAT HAVE NOT CHANGES SINCE THE NORMAL CONQUEST. WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THE LAWS AND FIND OUT IF THEY'RE REASONABLE AND IF THEY PROVIDE ADEQUATE TO THE TENANTS. FOR INSTANCE, MOST BUSINESS TRANSKZS IF YOU GIVE ME MONEY I AM REQUIRED TO ASK IF YOU WANT A RECEIPT. UNDERSTAND YOU MAY WAIVE THAT RIGHT. THE CURRENT RELATION ACT WAIVES THAT RIGHT WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT. IN MOST BUSINESS TRANSACTIONS, IF WE SIGNED AN AGREEMENT, YOU NEED TO TELL ME UP GRUNT WHAT THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS ARE. IF YOU HAVE NOT GIVEN ME THOSE YOU MAY NOT BRING THEM AFTER THE FACT WITHOUT RENEGOTIATIONS. IF I PAID TO DO SOMETHING THAT YOU DO NOT DO, YOU MUST REFUND THE MONEY I PAID YOU AND IF YOU DO COMPLETE THE TRANSACTION YOU'RE OBLIGATED TO NOTIFY ME OF THE OUTCOME. THESE ARE COMMON SENSE PROTECTIONS AND ANECDOAL SCARE TACTICS IS LUDICROUS AND ATTEMPT TO DISTRACT THIS BODY FROM THE COMMON SENSE GOOD GOVERNANCE ISSUE. IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE THINGS DONE. THEY ARE REASONABLE, CUSTOMARY BUSINESSES PRACTICES. IT IS THE DUTY OF THIS BODY TO STEP IN AND TAKE ACTION TO DO IT NOW. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >> KENDRA FOLLOWED BY CRAIG. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION. THIS ORDINANCE HAS ALL THE QUALITIES OF CODIFYING COMMON SENSE BUSINESS PRACTICES INTO THE LEASING AND RENTING OF HOUSING PROPERTIES. ALBUQUERQUE IS EXPERIENCING INTENSE HOUSING INSTABILITY. AND THIS ORDINANCE PROVIDES TRANSPARENCY AND PEACE OF MIND FOR PEOPLE APPLYING FOR HOUSING AND ULTIMATELY PLACES EQUITY AT THE CENTER WHEN TENANTS AND LANDLORD AGREEMENTS ARE CREATED. ALL OF THE SECTIONS MAKE BUSINESS SENSE. FIRST, TRANSPARENCY AND AN AGREEMENT IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. THEREFORE, LANDLORDS NEEDING TO LIST ALL FEES CHARGED BY THE LANDLORD IS A SMALL BUT IMPERATIVE COST OF DOING BUSINESS. IT'S BURDEN SMM AND UNFAIR TO INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES TO APPLY FOR HOUSING AND NOT KNOW UP FRONT IF THEY QUALIFY FOR THAT. I AND OTHER REASONABLE PEOPLE DO NOT SEE THERE BEING AN UNDUE BURDEN BROUGHT ON THE LANDLORDS. TO HIGHLIGHT A SECTION, IT'S A LEVEL-HEADED ASSESSMENT TO ENSURE APPLICATION FEES MUST BE REASONABLE. IF I AS A PERSPECTIVE TENANT AM PROVIDING FUNDS FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROCESSING APPLICATION FEES I EXPECT THE FUNDS ARE USED TO PROCESS THAT FEE AND IF NOT THEY SHOULD BE REFUNDED. FURTHER SECTIONS ALSO ELIMINATE COMMON SENSE-BASED LANGUAGE. ALL PRINCIPLED LANDLORDS CONDUCT THEMSELVES IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT THIS ORDINANCE WANTS TO REQUIRE ALL LANDLORDS WANTS THEM TO DO. THIS GIVES PERFECT EQUITY FOR LANDLORDS AND TENANTS HAVE THE AGENCY TO MAKE BUSINESS AND LIFE DECISIONS ON A MORE LEVEL PLAYING FIELD. WHERE FAMILIES MAKING DECISIONS IS EVERYTHING. HAVING FAITH IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS FOR EVERYONE. I WHERE WE'RE NOT FULLY PROVIDING GENERATIONAL WEALTH BUT GENERATIONAL HEALTH AND STABILITY THANK YOU. >> CRAIG FOLLOWED BY ROSEMARY. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL PRESIDENT COUNCILORS. [ INAUDIBLE ]. >> WE'RE HAVING TROUBLE HEARING YOU. >> MY SCREEN SAYS IT'S UNMUTED. ARE YOU STILL NOT HEARING ME? >> CARRY ON, WE CAN HEAR YOU BETTER. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. [ INAUDIBLE ]. >> WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO YOU AND SEE IF YOU CAN'T RESOLVE YOUR SOUND ISSUES. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. ROSEMARY FOLLOWED BY RACHEL. YOU'RE MUTED. >> I'M MUTED. I DIDN'T WANT TO BE. GOOD EVENING, COUNCILOR DAVIS, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. I'M HERE ASKING YOUR SUPPORT TO ADOPT O-2 IT-60 AND CREATE A BASE LEVEL OF SECURITY FOR THOSE SEEKING RENTAL HOUSING FOR THEMSELVES AND THEIR FAMILIES. IN OUR CITY WE NEED NOT ONLY MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUT WE NEED THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WE HAVE TO PROVIDE A STABLE AND RELIABLE SOURCE OF HOUSING FOR AS MANY RESIDENTS AS POSSIBLE. THE REQUIREMENTS AND THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE THAT LANDLORDS OR RENTAL MANAGEMENT COMPANIES LEVEL WITH THEIR POTENTIAL RENTERS ABOUT ALL THE FEES THAT ARE REQUIRED OF THEM SPECIALTIES IS THE MINIMUM EQUITY REQUIREMENT THAT SHOULD BE APPLIED TO RENTAL INQUIRIES AND TRANSACTIONS. HOMELESSNESS IS AN ESPECIALLY HARD CONDITIONS FOR FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN. SO IS INSECURE HOUSING. TEACHERS IN OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS KNOW THE IMPACT OF HOUING AND SECURITY. SECURE HOUSE ISSING A MAJOR COMPONENT OF GOOD HEALTH, EMOTIONAL WELL-BEING AND CHILD DEVELOPMENT. AS THE MARKET REMAINS TIGHT AS SO MANY OF THE SUPPORTS FOR RENTERS FOR THE PEOPLE EXPIRE THE TIGHT MARKET CREATES PREDATORY RENTAL PRACTICES. WE NEED TO LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD AT LEAST A LITTLE BETWEEN LANDLORDS OR TENTS TO BUILD SOME STABILITY INTO THE RESIDENTIAL ENVIRONMENT FOR ALL OF OUR FAMILIES. PLEASE ADOPT O-22-60. I WANT TO SEE IT ADOPTED AND SO DOES MY CAT. >> RACHEL FOLLOWED BY CRAIG. >> GOOD EVENING, I'M WITH ALBUQUERQUE HEALTH CARE FOR THE HOMELESS. ALBUQUERQUE CONTINUES TO EXPERIENCE A WORSENING HOUSING CRISIS. WE'RE FORTUNATE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL LAST YEAR INVESTMENT IN HOUSING VOUCHERS AND RENTAL ASSISTANCE THAT ARE AVAILABLE TOOL FOR HELPING THE FAMILIES STABILIZE AND STAY AFLOAT AND STABILIZE THE HOUSING MARKET. HOWEVER ALBUQUERQUE DOES NOT PROTECT TENANTS FROM EXCESSIVE FEE AND PRACTICES THAT LOCK OUT VULNERABLE COMMUNITY MEMBERS FROM HOUSING AND LEAVES RESOURCES ON THE TABLE. IT'S SMART POLICY TO ENSURE COMMUNITY MEMBERS HAVE TRANSPARENCY WHEN APPLYING FOR HOUSING. AND ALL BUSINESS TRANSACTIONS WE EXPECT THE FEES ARE DISCLOSED UP FRONT AND ENSURE THAT THE LANDLORDS PROVIDE THE MINIMUM APPLICATION ENVIRONMENTS BEFORE YOU WASTE PRECIOUS TIME AND RESOURCES. THEY'RE OFTEN DISADVANTAGES WHEN THEY MUST PAI MULTIPLE FEES TO SECURE HOUSING. SUBZDIES ONLY COVER ONE APPLICATION FEE AND ARE VULNERABLE COMMUNITY MEMBERS DON'T HAVE THE TIME OR RESOURCES THEY CAN'T QUALIFY. THESE ARE MODEST TENANT PROTECTIONS. UNFORTUNATELY, THIS IS A LIFE OR DEATH ISSUE FOR SO MANY WORKING HARD TO ACCESS HOUSING. EACH DAY ON THE STREET IN SEARCH OF HOUSING INCREASES THE RISK OF VIOLENCE VICTIMATION. PEOPLE WITHOUT HOMES ARE 25 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO EXPERIENCE VIOLENT VICTIMATION THAN SOMEBODY THAT'S HOUSED AND DIE 30 TO 40 YEARS EARLIER. HAVING PROTECTIONS AND INCREASING THE SUPPLY OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING GO HAND AND HAND. NEW JERSEY HAS PROTECTIONS AND EXPERIENCED IT'S LARGEST INCREASE SINCE THE 80s. THE ORDINANCE IS NECESSARY NEXT STEP AND ME MUST PASS O-60 TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY THRIVES. THANK YOU FOR THE SPONSOR FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> CRAIG. >> CAN YOU HEAR ME BETTER NOW? >> WE CAN HEAR YOU BETTER. >> THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS. I'M A RETIRED TECHNOLOGY FROM SANDIA. I INVESTED IN SMALL APARTMENT BUILDING IN THE WEST AREA IN ALBUQUERQUE. WHICH I BELIEVE EVERYONE WOULD CONSIDER AFFORDABLE HOUSING AREA. I'VE NEVER CHARGED ANYTHING MORE THAN $40 FOR AN APPLICATION FEE. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT SOME OF THE OTHER PLACES ARE CHARGING. I'VE DONE THIS 30 YEARS. I HAVE BEEN PAYING THE GAS BILL FOR THESE UNITS OUT OF THE RENT INCOME THAT COMES IN. AND I THINK MOST EVERYONE KNOWS THAT JUST IN THE LAST YEAR GAS HAS DOUBLED. AND SO I'M FORCED TO HAVE TO RAISE RENT ON THESE. YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING I HAVE TO DO TO MAINTAIN THE LITTLE AMOUNT OF INCOME I DO GET OUT OF IT. I REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH FINES AND THINGS AND TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY IS GOING TO BREAK A WINDOW OR BREAK A REFRIGERATOR DOOR HANDLE OR ONE THING OR ANOTHER. IF YOU HAVE A LIST OF ALL THAT STUFF, GOING INTO A RENTAL, IT'S A LOT OF EXTRA PAPERWORK TO TRY TO TAKE CARE OF SOMETHING THAT MAY NOT EVEN HAPPEN. IT'S ANOTHER BURDEN I WOULD HAVE TO BUDGET. >> THANK YOU. YOUR TIME IS UP. MR. PRESIDENT, THAT CONCLUDES COMMENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, ALL. WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO THE SPOUNSER AND WE HAVE A COUPLE COUNCILORS THAT WANT TO SPEAK. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU. I WANTED TO RESPOND TO A FEW OF THE THINGS WE HEARD. THERE'S A LOT OF MISINFORMATION OUT THERE. THE FIRST ONE IS IF THERE'S DAMAGE TO A PIECE OF PROPERTY, THAT IS COVERED UNDER STATE LAW. THAT IS NOT TOUCHED WITH THIS BILL. AND SO WE HEARD FROM -- YOU HEARD FROM THE PROFESSOR AND OTHER ATTORNEYS SMARTER THAN ME. THAT IS NOT WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THIS BILL. THIS BILL IS ABOUT FEES AND FINES REGULARLY SCHEDULED THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THAT DISCLOSURE. AGAIN THERE'S NO NEED TO LIST OUT EVERY POTENTIAL PIECE OF DAMAGE THAT MIGHT BE DONE TO THE PROPERTY. WHAT YOU DO HAVE TO LIST ARE THE FEES THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE CHARGING FOLKS ON A MONTHLY, QUARTERLY BASIS. IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE CHARGING PEST MANAGEMENT FEE, YOU HAVE TO TELL THEM BEFORE THEY SIGN THE LEASE. IF YOU ARE GOING TO CHARGE THEM A COMMON AREA FEE YOU HAVE TO TELL THEM BEFORE THEY SIGN THE LEASE. IF YOU'RE GOING TO CHARGE THEM A PARKING FEE YOU HAVE TO TELL THEM BEFORE THEY SIGN THE LEASE. THIS SEEMS LIKE A REALLY STRAIGHTFORWARD THING TO ME. PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST THEM TO LIVE IN A RENTAL UNIT. THAT'S ALL THAT PART OF THE BILL SAYS. THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATION AROUND THE WORDS USED IN THIS BILL AS OPPOSED TO WHAT'S IN STATE LAW. AND AGAIN, THERE'S NO PROBLEM WITH THESE THINGS. I WILL POINT OUT I KNOW EVERYBODY IS AN ATTORNEY AND I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, YOU CAN HAVE THINGS DEFINED DIFFERENTLY IN STATE LAW AND CITY LAW. I'M WORKING ON BILLS AT THE LEGISLATURE THAT ARE THREE SECTIONS TO THE BILL AND IN EACH SECTION THE SAME WORD IS DEFINED DIFFERENTLY IN EVERY SECTION. THAT IS NOT A PROBLEM AND THERE'S NO INHERENT PROBLEM WITH US HAVING DEFINITIONS THAT MEET THE NEEDS OF ALBUQUERQUE THAT ARE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN THE NEEDS OF THE STATE. LET'S SEE, WHAT ARE THE OTHER ONES. THE DISCLOSURE. THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATION AROUND THE DISCLOSURE. AGAIN, IT CAN BE SIMPLY LITERALLY TYPING OUT ALL OF THE FEES THAT YOU'RE GOING TO CHARGE FOLKS, AND YOU CAN SCREEN SHOT THAT AND PUT IT ON YOUR APPLICATION, PUT IT OUT THERE WHEN YOU PUT IT ONLINE. THAT'S IT. WE CHARGE PEST MANAGEMENT FEE. WE CHARGE COMMON AREA FEE. WE PASS THROUGH UTILITY BILLS YEW. WE CHARGE PARKING FEES. WE CHARGE PARKING FEES WHEN YOU PAY YOUR RENT. ALL THOSE THINGS CAN JUST BE TYPED OUT ONE TIME. MADE INTO A PDF. SHARE IT. IT'S NOT SIMPLE. THAT'S WHAT THIS BILL REQUIRES. THERE WERE CONVERSATION AROUND WHETHER IF YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A LEASE, IF YOU SELL THAT PROPERTY AND IF THE NEW PROPERTY OWNER CAN CHANGE THE WAY THAT MONEY IS PAID IN RENT, THE ANSWER IS NO. YOU'RE IN A LEGAL DOCUMENT. YOU'RE IN A LEGALLY BINDING LEASE THAT SAYS YOU CAN PAY VIA CREDIT CARD, OR YOU CAN PAY VIA MONEY ORDER. AND THEN THE NEW LANDLORD HAS TO ALLOW YOU TO PAY VIA CREDIT CARD OR MONEY ORDER. IT DOESN'T SAY ABOUT HAVING TO USE THE SAME BANK OR SAME EXACT SERVICE. IT SAYS IT'S THE MANNER THAT THEY'RE ACCUSTOMED TO PAYING. IF THEY'RE ACCUSTOMED TO PAYING WITH A CREDIT CARD YOU OFFER THAT OPTION. IF IT'S A MONEY ORDER YOU HAVE TO OFFER THAT OPTION. IT'S REALLY THAT SIMPLE. I THINK THAT'S IT. WHY DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING ON -- LET ME MAKE SURE I GONE THROUGH EVERYTHING. THERE WAS ONE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE PASSING THROUGH OF UTILITIES. I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR, THIS BILL DOES NOT LIMIT YOUR ABILITY TO PASS THROUGH ANY FEES AT ALL. EXCEPT FOR THE UP-FRONT COST WHICH IS $150 BEFORE YOU SIGN THE LEASE. ANY FEES OR FINES YOU'RE ALLOWED TO CHARGE. YOU JUST HAVE TO TELL THEM THEY'RE GOING TO BE PAYING IT BEFORE THE SIGN THE LEASE. IF YOU NEED TO PASS THROUGH UTILITY COSTS, YOU ARE ALLOWED TO UNDER THIS BILL. I WANTED TO CLEAR THOSE THINGS UP. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: LET'S GO TO OTHER COUNCILORS. WE'LL COME BACK TO THE SPONSOR TO CLOSE. COUNCILOR JONES. >>COUN. JONES: THANK YOU WHERE MR. PRESIDENT. THERE'S A LOT OF MISINFORMATION IN ALL OF THIS. AND I THINK WE JUST POINTED OUT SOME OF IT. IT IS TRUE THAT IN MANY INSTANCES MOST ESPECIALLY I WOULD ASSUME IN SMALLER RENTAL PROPERTIES WHERE PERHAPS A FAMILY IS RENTING THEM AND THEY'RE NOT -- PERHAPS THEY'RE NOT LAYING OUT EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO. THEY GET A TENANT IN THERE AND THEY PAID MONEY AND THEY CAN ADD MORE THINGS. IT SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED. BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT IT AND TALK ABOUT IT WITH THE SPONSOR WITH PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PEOPLE BOTH SMALL AND CHARGE AND SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH A COMPROMISE THAT WOULD PROTECT LANDLORDS AND TENANTS BECAUSE A LANDLORD, I KNOW THERE'S RICH PEOPLE WHO OWN ALL THIS STUFF, AND THEY'RE CHARGING YOU TOO MUCH MONEY. BUT IN REALITY, THEY ARE BUSINESS INVESTORS. AND ANY NUMBER OF THEM HAVE PUT EVERY PINNAE THEY HAVE INTO AN INVESTMENT, INCOME PRODUCING INVESTMENT WHICH IS AN APARTMENT COMPLEX OR TWO OR THREE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES. TO MAKE ONE GROUP EITHER SIDE THE DEVIL INCARNATE IS ABSOLUTELY WRONG. I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT BOTH SIDES OF THIS AND COME UP WITH GOOD IDEAS HOUN TO MAKE THINGS WORK. THERE'S BAD PLAYER ON EVERY SIDE OF THE GAME. WE CAN'T LEGISLATE AGAINST THREE OR FOUR BAD PLAYERS. WE HAVE TO LEGISLATE TO COVER THE GREATEST NUMBER OF PEOPLE INVOLVED. COUNCILOR, I APPRECIATE THE LEGISLATION. I THINK IT GOES TOO FAR ONE WAY AND NOW GONE TOO FAR THE OTHER WAY. I VOLUNTEER TO BE ON A COMMITTEE AND WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS AT THE LARGE APARTMENT COMPLEXES, DUPLEXES, AND SOME OF THE INVESTORS OR TENANTS WHO HAVE COME TO YOU WITH THESE ISSUES. I THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT. IT WILL MAKE YOUR CITY BETTER IF WE CAN MANAGE AND TAKE CONTROL OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'LL GO TO COUNCILOR SANCHEZ AND BACK TO THE SPONSOR TO RESPOND. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THE SPONSOR, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, CAME TO ME. WE WORKED ON THIS AS MUCH AS WE POSSIBY COULD. I HAVE PAGES AND PAGES OF NOTE. I DON'T KNOW IF I SPENT MORE TIME ON A BILL THAN THIS ONE. I'VE GOT PAGES AND PAGES OF NOTES. DURING THIS TIME I SPOKE WITH MR. CLARK, MR. GRANT IN REFERENCE TO THE ISSUES AS WELL. WE ACTUALLY TALKED THEM OVER AND OVER AND OVER. AND I JUST KEPT COMING UP WITH CERTAIN THINGS THAT REALLY AFFECTED BY DECISION. IN REFERENCE TO HOW WE SHOULD PROCEED WITH THIS. YOU KNOW, I'M VERY MUCH IN TOUCH WITH BOTH SIDES. I'VE BEEN A RENTER WAY BACK WHEN. AND I ALSO OWNED RESIDENCE THAT I RENTED AS WELL. YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T CHARGE ANY UNREASONABLE FEES. I'M JUST CURIOUS IF ANY OF YOU CHARGE UNREASONABLE FEES IN REFERENCE TO THIS. IT LOOKS LIKE THE OVERWHELMING NOD LOOKS LIKES IT'S NO, THEY DON'T. ONE OF THE THINGS I SEE IN REFERENCE TO THIS IS RIGHT OFF THE BAT I HEARD IT ALL NIGHT LONG, PEOPLE CHARGE 25 TO 40 BUCKS ON THEIR FEES. WE'RE GIVING EVERYBODY A GREEN LIGHT TO CHARGE 150 NOW. I'M LIKE THIS NEEDS MORE CLEAN UP. AND THEN YOU HAVE THIS OTHER UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE THAT, YOU KNOW, ANY TIME WE FORCE ANY ENTITY TO DO SOMETHING WHETHER IT'S PUBLIC OR PRIVATE ENENDEAVOR, WHAT'S THE NEXT THING THAT HAPPENS IS THE PERSON IN CONTROL RAISES THE FEES. RAISES THE RENT. MR. LUSEK STATED THAT HE'S ALREADY TALKING TO THEM AND 86% OF INDIVIDUALS ARE GOING TO RAISE THE RENT. WE HAVE A VERY BIG UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE. NOT EVERYBODY IS GOING TO RAISE THEIR RENT. AND NOT EVERYBODY IS GOING TO CHARGE THE $150, BUT IN REALITY WE JUST GIVE THE GREEN LIGHT FOR EVERYBODY TO CHARGE $150. IF I WAS A GOOD DECENT RENTER AND LANDLORD I WOULD ACTUALLY BE OKAY, WELL, THE CITY IS ALLOWING TO CHARGE $150, SO I MIGHT AS WELL DO IT. THAT'S AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE. WE'RE FORCING PEOPLE TO DO SOMETHING WHO ARE PRIVATE BUSINESS OWNERS, ESPECIALLY THE SMALLER ONES. I UNDERSTAND THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE OUT THERE NEEDING TO BE RENT OR NEEDING TO BE RENT HOUSING, THEY'RE GOING TO HIT THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE. I DON'T THINK THAT -- I SAT THERE AND ASKED QUESTIONS OVER AND OVER FOR HOURS, AND HOURS, ASKING THESE QUESTIONS ABOUT THESE UNINTEND CONSEQUENCES. AND I JUST FELT LIKE THERE'S AN OVERWHELMING AMOUNT OF PRESSURE TO FORCE THIS THROUGH TODAY. I FEEL THE SAME WAY AS COUNCILOR JONES THAT I ACTUALLY THINK WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAN UP AND IT WOULD SERVE US MORE TIME TO FIND SOMETHING. BECAUSE SPEAKING WITH THE FOLKS WHO ARE LANDLORDS IN HERE AND THAT NOD THAT THEY GAVE ME THAT NO THEY DON'T CHARGE UNREASONABLE FEES LEAVES ME TO BELIEVE THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME SORT OF MIDDLE GROUND WE CAN ALL FIND. AND I DON'T THINK IT'S HERE IN THIS BILL YET. SO, I'M JUST HOPING THAT WE LOOK AT THAT FROM THOSE EYES. WHAT REALLY BOTHERS ME IS THE GREEN LIGHT TO CHARGE $150 FOR INDIVIDUALS THAT DON'T CHARGE ANYTHING AND THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE OF THE RATE BEING RAISED ON THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T NEED TO BE DEALING WITH A RATE INCREASE. I'LL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, IF 86% OF THE PEOPLE STATE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO RAISE THEIR RENTAL RATE JUST BECAUSE NOW THEY HAVE A FEE, WE NEED TO FIND SOME SORT OF MIDDLE GROUND TO DEAL WITH THIS SO THAT ALL OF US, EVERYBODY HERE, OUR BIGGEST ISSUE IS WE NEED MORE HOUHOUSIN WE HAVE TO GET PEOPLE INTO HOUSES. WE ALL AGREE ON THAT. EVERY PERSON ON THIS COUNCIL AGREES WE NEED MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND MORE HOUSING, I ACTUALLY ASKED COUNCIL SERVICES TO LOOK INTO THAT. TO SEE HOW MANY HOUSING UNITS ARE GOING TO BE PUT INTO SERVICE THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR. IT SOUND LIKES THERE'S AN OVERWHELMING AMOUNT OF RENTAL PROPERTIES THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING AVAILABLE JUST IN MY DISTRICT, RIGHT BY BOSQUE SCHOOL WE HAVE APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT HAVE 1 TO 2,000 UNITS. NEVER SEEN ANYTHING THAT BIG ON THE WEST SIDE. AND IN COUNCILOR LEWIS'S DISTRICT THERE'S TWO MORE LARGE APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT ARE BEING PLANNED. I HONESTLY THINK THAT BY THE TIME WE GET THIS BILL WORKED OUT THERE COULD BE PLENTY OF COMPETITION OUT THERE THAT THIS BILL MAY NOT EVEN MEAN ANYTHING BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY UNITS OUT THERE. I'D REALLY LIKE TO ASK FOR A DEFERRAL TO MOVE IT FORWARD AND COME BACK TO THE TABLE AND JUST SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING BECAUSE I ASKED WAY TOO MANY QUESTIONS IN REFERENCE TO IT AND I WAS CONFUSED ON A LOT OF ITEMS. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN WAS HELPING ME WORK THROUGH THE THEM. THERE'S UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD PUT ON FOLKS. >>COUN. DAVIS: ARE YOU ASKING FOR THE SPONSOR TO DEFER OR ARE YOU MAKING A DEFERRAL? I'D LIKE TO SEE WHERE THE CONVERSATION GOES. WHERE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO BRING MORE PEOPLE TO THE TABLE AND TRY TO WORK SOMETHING A LITTLE BETTER COMPROMISE. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'LL PUT A PIN IN THAT FOR JUST A MINUTE. WE'LL GO TO COUNCILOR BASSAN AND COME BACK TO THE SPONSOR TO RESPOND. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THIS BILL IS MEANT TO ADDRESS THE BAD LANDLORDS. AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY BAD LANDLORDS ARE OUT THERE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THERE'S NOT A LOT. NO ONE EVER ARGUED THAT ALL THE LANDLORDERIZE THE BAD ACTORS THAT ARE DOING THIS. I CAN TELL YOU THAT A LADY HERE THIS EVENING BROUGHT A COPY OF THE FEE SCHEDULE. I WON'T NAME THE COMPANY, BUT THE FEES ARE $50 APPLICATION FEE, AND A $219 ADMINISTRATIVE FEE. THAT'S WHAT SHE HAS TO PAY. $269 FOR THE PRIVILEGE OF SIGNING A LEASE WITH THIS COMPANY. WE HAVE THESE EXAMPLES. PEOPLE HAVE SENT US THESE EXAMPLES. I THINK HAVING MORE THAN ONE IS ENOUGH TO JUSTIFY PASSING LEGISLATION THAT PROTECTS THE CITIZENS OF ALBUQUERQUE FROM THOSE BAD ACTORS. >>COUN. GROUT: ONE FOLLOW UP. WHAT ARE SOME BETTER WAYS THAT WE CAN ADDRESS THESE BAD ACTORS? >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: MY OPINION IS THIS IS THE BEST WAY TO ADDRESS THESE BAD ACTORS. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR SIX MONTHS. THIS IS IN MY OPINION THE ANSWER. WE HAVE MET. I HEARD COUNCILOR JONES AND COUNCILOR SANCHEZ SAY WE SHOULD MEET WITH FOLKS. WE DID. WE HAD MULTIPLE MEETINGS. TIME AND TIME AND TIME AGAIN. WE GAVE OUT COPIES OF THE NEW VERSION. WE ASKED FOR FEEDBACK. THE FOLKS IN THE ROOM STOPPED RESPONDING. I EVEN CALLED A FEW OF THEM TO SAY WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM YOU. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS, I CANNOT MAKE YOU. THOSE THAT DID PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS, YOU HEARD FROM SEVERAL OF THEM ON THE ZOOM TONIGHT, THEY ARE VERY HAPPY WHERE -W THE RESULT OF THIS LEGISLATION BECAUSE THEY FEEL LIKE THEY WERE HEARD AND WE DID DO A MASSIVE REWRITE TO ADDRESS ALL OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP BY FOLKS IN THOSE MEETING AND IN THE VARIOUS TIMES WE SENT OUT A DRAFT FOR FEEDBACK. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. I THINK WE SHOULD DEFER THIS, IT NEEDS MORE WORK. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR BASSAN. AND WE'LL GO BACK TO COUNCILOR JONES AND BACK TO THE SPONSOR. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT. I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, I DO NOT SUPPORT A DEFERRAL. WHILE I THINK, AND WHEN TALKING TO COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS A RIGHT, I ALSO THINK THAT PROPERTY OWNERSHIP HAS ITS OWN RIGHT AS WELL. I DON'T SUPPORT THIS BILL. I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD INFRINGE UPON PROPERTY OWNERS RIGHTS AS PROPERTY OWNERS TO DO WHAT THEY WILL WITH THEIR PROPERTY, EVEN IF IT'S LANDLORDS. WHAT I THINK IS IF THE GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO MICROMANAGE AND INTERVENE AND REGULATE TO THIS POINT, THEN THE GOVERNMENT HAS AN OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. IT'S OUR JOB AS GOVERNMENT TO DO THAT. NOT TO DEMAND THAT PRIVATE AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OWNERS DO THINGS THE WAY WE TELL THEM TO. IT'S THEIR RIGHT TO OWN THEIR PROPERTY AND DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH IT. >>COUN. DAVIS: GO TO COUNCILOR LEWIS WHO HASN'T SPOKEN AND WE'LL GO BACK TO COUNCILOR JONES. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU. I THINK -- AT FIRST I WAS THINKING OF WAYS THAT I LOOK THIS AMENDMENT AND THINGS THAT I DISAGREED WITH AND OFFER FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS TO AMEND SOME OF THOSE THINGS OUT. I JUST -- THERE'S NOT ANYTHING IN THIS BILL THAT I WOULD AGREE WITH. I ACTUALLY THINK THAT WAS THE APPROACH OF THE RENTERS THAT WERE INVOLVED. I THINK THEY, IN GOOD FAITH, SAW THERE WAS REGULATION COMING, THE POTENTIAL REGULATION, AND SAID MAYBE WE CAN WORK AND TRY TO GET SOMETHING THAT'S FEASIBLE AND CLEARLY WE HEARD TONIGHT THAT IT'S NOT FEASIBLE. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD HURT THE PEOPLE THE MOST THAT ARE ACTUALLY PROVIDING THE HOUSING IN THE CITY. IT IS A MICROMANAGEMENT OF AGREEMENTS PASSED ON PRIVATELY. I THINK IT IS AN OVERREACH. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO -- THE SMALL RENTERS, THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT HAVE INVESTED THEIR HARD-EARNED MONEY, REPUTATION INTO A CERTAIN INVESTMENT THAT ACTUALLY PROVIDE FOR HOUSING IN OUR CITY AND THEY GET FEARFUL. WHEN YOU HAVE THIS TYPE OF A PROPOSAL, THERE'S A SENSE OF FIRE THAT AM I GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE MY BUSINESS WORK. SO, I BELIEVE THIS IS AN OVERREACH. I THINK THAT'S THEIR APPROACH AS WELL. IT'S NOT THAT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN WILLING TO BE ABLE TO HEAR OUT. I THINK SOMETIMES PEOPLE ARE BROUGHT TO THE TABLE OUT OF FEAR THAT IF I DON'T AGREE TO SOME OF THIS WE MIGHT BE SO OVERREGULATED THAT THERE'S NOTHING THEY AGREE WITH IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. I'M AGAINST THIS. I'M AGAINST THE DEFERRAL. I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE AWAY THAT FEAR. AND THE REAL SOLUTION, AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO. WE WANT TO HELP PEOPLE FIND HOUSING. WE WANT TO MAKE IT MORE ACCESSIBLE. THIS IS A DIFFERENCE IN PHILOSOPHY ABOUT HOW TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR. COUNCILOR JONES AND WE'LL GO BACK TO THE SPONSOR. >>COUN. JONES: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BOTH SIDES. I THINK IT'S VERY INTERESTING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIX A PROBLEM THAT MAYBE ISN'T A PROBLEM THAT WE CAN FIX. PERHAPS IT'S A PROBLEM THAT THE MARKET FIXES. RIGHT NOW, OF COURSE, WE'RE SHORT ON RENTAL UNITS IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. BE THAT SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEXES, LARGE APARTMENT COMPLEXES. IT'S THE WAY IT IS. WHEN YOU ARE BUILDING CARS AND YOU WANT TO SELL THEM, IF OTHER PEOPLE AREN'T BUILDING ENOUGH CARS THEY'RE GOING TO BUY YOUR CAR AND BUY IT FOR A LOT MORE MONEY THAN YOU SOLD IT FOR A YEAR BEFORE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SUPPLY AND DEMAND, SUPPLY AND DEMAND, SUPPLY AND DEMAND. AND IF WE WERE TO OVER REGULATE THE RENTAL OWNERS, AGAIN, BE THAT LARGE APARTMENT COMPLEXES, DUPLEX, SINM -- SINGLE FAMILY HOME, ALL WE'RE GOING TO DO IS RAISE THE RATES ACROSS THE BOARD. THEY MAY NOT COME AS AN APPLICATION FEE, IT MAY NOT BE DEPOSIT, THEY CAN ALWAYS JUST RAISE THE RENT. WE HAVE SO FEW RESIDENTIAL RENTAL UNITS, WE'RE SO LACKING IN ENOUGH HOUSING IN ALBUQUERQUE, THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS RAISE PRICES TO UNACCEPTABLE NUMBER. WE WILL THEN BE AT THAT POINT WHERE WE CAN GET BIG BUILDERS TO COME AND BUILD UNITS BECAUSE THEY SEE IF THEY GET PRICES TOO HIGH WE'LL SHUT THEM DOWN. WE CANNOT STOP PRIVATE ENTERPRISE OR ATTEMPT TO STOP PRIVATE ENTERPRISE. IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY THE CITY CHARGES FOR THEIR HOUSING UNITS, WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT. WE DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO TELL THE PRIVATE SECTOR THAT THEY CANNOT GET A GOOD RETURN ON THEIR INVESTMENTS. BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS? NO MORE INVESTMENTS. NO MORE HOUSING BUILT IN ALBUQUERQUE OR THE SURROUNDING AREAS. I THINK WE WOULD BE -- WHAT DO YOU CUT OFF YOUR HAND TO SOMETHING? I THINK WE'D BE HURTING OURSELF FAR MORE THAN HELPING THE PEOPLE THAT NEED RENTAL UNITS. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I JUST WANT TO ASK THE ADMINISTRATION OR EVEN THE FOLKS HERE THAT REPRESENT RENTAL COMPANIES, HOW MANY UNITS ARE WE EXPECTING BY THE END OF THE YEAR AND PROBABLY BY THE END OF NEXT YEAR IN ALBUQUERQUE? IT LOOKS LIKE I'VE GOT A COUPLE PEOPLE THAT MIGHT HAVE THAT INFORMATION. >>COUN. DAVIS: IT'S UNUSUAL BUT IT'S LATE. >> I APPRECIATE YOU ASKING THE QUESTION. I'M GLAD TO SHARE THIS WITH YOUR STAFF. THIS IS AN EDATORYIAL PIECE THAT'S GOING IN THE ALBUQUERQUE JOURNAL THIS WEEK. TODAY WE NEED 18,247 RENTAL UNITS TO HIT 95% OCCUPANCY. WHEN YOU HIT THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THE CONVERSATION WE HAVE IN THE MARKETPLACE TODAY. RIGHT NOW, IN THE PIPELINE WITH THOSE APPROVED, COMPLETED AND LEASED AND UNDER CONSTRUCTION, OVER HAVE GOTTEN FAR ENOUGH IN THE PROCESS THEY WILL HAVE THIS YEAR IS 4,801. THAT LEAVES US LACKING 13,446 ADDITIONAL UNITS. THE NICE THING IS THE MAYORS HOUSING INITIATIVE IS TO HIT 5,000. WE'RE 199 UNITS AWAY FROM THAT. WE DESPERATELY NEED MORE. ALL OF THIS IS NOT BY THE PEOPLE IN THE ROOM. IT'S DRIV BINE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SUCCESS. NETFLIX AMAZON INTEL. THE NUMBER OF JOBS AND DEMAND ON THIS IS OVER 10,000. THAT'S WHERE THE DEMAND IS COMING. THIS IS ONLY BY THE WAY GOING TO GET WORSE BECAUSE NETFLIX STUDIOS ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION. THOSE PEOPLE AREN'T HERE YET. WHEN THEY COME NEXT YEAR WE'LL GOING TO GET TO REVISIT THIS UNTIL WE DO LIKE COUNCILOR JONES INDICATED WHICH IS BUILD LOT MORE. I'M GLAD TO SHARE THIS WITH THE STAFF. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. MR. RAEL. >> MR. PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, WE SUPPORT THIS LEGISLATION. LET ME TELL YOU A COUPLE THINGS. WHEN YOU LOOK AT INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE LEASING AN APARTMENT OR LEASING -- I THINK IT'S REASONABLE TO THINK THEY WOULD KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO PAY. WHAT ARE THE FEES THAT ARE GOING TO BE ASSESSED BY THEM OR TO THEM GETTING INTO AN APARTMENT. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S A REASONABLE BILL. THERE CERTAINLY HAS BEEN A LOT OF COMPROMISE IN THE CONVERSATIONS. AND COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN MET WITH A LOT OF FOLKS IN THE INDUSTRY. AND WE CERTAINLY WOULD SUPPORT THE LEGISLATION. ALSO WOULD SUPPORT IF THERE'S AN INTEREST IN DEFERRING AND HAVE MORE CONVERSATION. I KNOW AT SOME POINT YOU GET TO HOW MANY MORE DEFERRALS BEFORE IT'S NOT A BILL. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. LET ME SAY AND I'LL PASS TO THE SPONSOR TO CLOSE. I AGREE WITH YOU, MR. RAEL. WE HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS. IT'S NOT UNREASONABLE TO TELL SOMEBODY HOW MUCH IT COSTS WHETHER YOU'RE BUYING A CAR, HOUSE OR WATERMELON. DOES IT MAKE ANY SENSE THAT WE CAN'T DO THAT. I THINK THE WHOLE POINT OF THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS IS TO HAVE CAGES WITH FOLKS THAT DON'T TALK TO EACH OTHER TO FIND A BALANCE BETWEEN STAKEHOLDERS AND THOSE THAT NEED NO REGULATIONS VERSUS THAT NEED HOUSING THEY CUFORD. A RIGHT TO ASK FOR HELP. AND APPLAUD THE SPONSOR AND OTHERS THAT WORK. COUNCILOR BASSAN AND OURSELVES BEAT OURSELVES TO DEATH WITH SOME OF THE FOLKS THAT PASSED THE ANTI- DISCRIMINATION ORDINANCES. BUT THE FACT REMAINS, AND MOST OF THE LANDLORDS THAT I KNOW AND EVERYBODY I KNOW SITTING IN THIS ROOM IS PROFESSIONAL AND DOES THIS FOR A LIVING AND KNOWS HOW TO DO IT WELL, I DON'T HAVE ISSUES WITH THAT. THERE ARE FOLKS WHO ABUSE IT AND USE FEES AS AN ARTIFICIAL BARRIERS TO PREVENT PEOPLE THAT OTHERWISE QUALIFY TO GET INTO HOUSING THEY CAN AFFORD. IT DOES NOT MAKE GOOD BUSINESS TO QUALIFY INTO A PROPERTY THEY CAN'T AFFORD AND SOON THEY'LL BE OUT. I THINK WITH THE COMPROMISES AND THE CHANGES I THINK THIS IS A REASONABLE BILL AND I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT'S GONE INTO IT. I KNOW HOW HARD IT IS. DWRNG I THINK IT CAN DO A GOOD THING. I THINK A DECISION WITH THE DEFERRAL. I'M NOT NECESSARILY IN FAVOR. I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH FOLKS THAT PARTICIPATED. AND THE SPONSOR HAS HER BILL AS I UNDERSTAND. I DEFER TO HER ON HOW SHE WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I DO NOT BELIEVE A DEFERRAL IS GOING TO MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE. I WORKED WITH EVERYONE THAT WAS WILLING TO WORK WITH ME. THE BILL BEFORE YOU IS WHAT WE HAVE TO DECIDE ON. WITH THAT, I WILL CLOSE REALLY QUICKLY. I THINK WE ALL AGREE THERE'S HOUSING CRISIS. AND THERE'S SHORT-TERM AND LONG-TERM SOLUTIONS. I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT THE LONG-TERM SOLUTION IS WE NEED TO BUILD MORE UNIT. THE SHORT TERM SOLUTION IS THERE ARE PEOPLE BEING PRICED OUT BY EXTREME FEES THAT ARE UNDISCLOSED TO THEM. WHEN THEY RENTED THE UNITS. THEY ARE NOT ALL GOING TO MOVE OUT AND MOVE INTO THESE NEW BUILDINGS WE CONSTRUCT. THEY NEED TO BE PROTECTED AS WELL. RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE PEOPLE IN ALBUQUERQUE WHO ARE STRUGGLING TO AFFORD APPLICATION FEES THAT THEY WILL NOT GET REIMBURSED FOR. THEY'RE APPLYING AT MULTIPLE PLACES DESPERATE TO FIND A HOUSE OR AN APARTMENT TO RENT. THEY'RE SPENDING HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS TO GET A PLACE TO LIVE. IF THEY DON'T EVEN GET PROCESSES THEY DON'T GET THAT MONEY BACK. BY MANY, MANY LANDLORDS. RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE PEOPLE IN LEASES WHO HAVE BEEN IN THOSE LEASES FOR SOME TIME AND THEY ARE GETTING SURPRISED WITH NEW FEES. EXAMPLE IS A WOMAN I SPOKE TO TODAY WHO HAS BEEN IN HER APARTMENT FOR 13 YEARS. SHE IS IN THE MIDDLE OF A TWO-YEAR LEASE. AND SUDDENLY, SHE HAS GOTTEN TWO NEW FEES. I'M NOT SAYING THE FEES ARE UNREASONABLE. I'M SAYING THEY'RE NOT FEES SHE KNEW SHE WAS GOING TO GET. ONE IS A $17 PEST MANAGEMENT FEE. AND ONE IS A $50 USE OF THE COMMON AREA. SHE DID NOT KNOW THAT WAS COMING. SHE IS ON A FIXED INCOME. SHE IS WORRIED SHE CANNOT AFFORD THAT APARTMENT ANYMORE. AFTER 13 YEARS SHE'S AFRAID SHE WILL BE FORCED TO LEAVE. WE'RE SAYING YOU HAVE TO TELL PEOPLE WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET WHEN THEY RENT AN APARTMENT. SO, I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR, MOST LANDLORDS ARE NOT GOING TO BE IMPACTED BY THIS ORDINANCE. MY PARTNERS HERE, HE'S A LANDLORD. HE'S NEVER CONSIDERED DOING ANY OF THESE THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. HE SOMEHOW MAKES MONEY ON HIS RENTAL. YOU CAN DO THIS WITHOUT REALLY HARMING LOW INCOME PEOPLE LIVING ON A FIXED BUDGET. THIS ORDINANCE WILL IMPACT PEOPLE WHO ARE THROWING FEE AFTER FEE THAT PEOPLE WERE NOT EXPECTING ON THEIR RENTERS. THIS ORDINANCE WILL IMPACT PEOPLE THAT ARECHARGING 200, 300, $400 JUST TO GET TO THE PLACE WHERE YOU SIGN A LEASE SO YOU CAN HAVE SHELTER. AND THIS WILL IMPACT PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THINGS LIKE MAKING THEIR TENANTS PURCHASE INSURANCE THROUGH THEM. I'M FINE WITH THOSE PEOPLE BEING IMPACTED. AND I THINK WE SHOULD ALL BE FINE WITH THOSE PEOPLE BEING IMPACTED BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE BAD ACTORS THAT WE NEED TO PROTECT PEOPLE FROM. NOT THE FOLKS IN THIS ROOM BUT THE BAD ACTORS THAT ARE HARMING ALBUQUERQUE CITIZENS. THAT'S WHAT THIS BILL DOES. WITH THAT, I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, MA'AM. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. >>COUN. LEWIS: IS THIS DEFERRAL? >>COUN. DAVIS: NO. DO PASS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF A DO PASS SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NO AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT MATTER FAILS ON A 4-5 VOTE. THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS BEFORE THE COUNCIL, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.