thank you good afternoon thank you for joining us for the formal meeting of the Phoenix City Council on September 6th we will begin with an invocation from police chaplain Robert fesmeyer thank you you're welcome to join me in prayer heavenly father almighty God we want to thank you for today where your mercies are new every morning for each person here and those they represent those who lead may they be filled with wisdom Justice mercy and courage help us to govern together of the people for the people and by the people it is you who gives and protects and provides the basis to the Constitution that we have sworn an oath to protect thank you for all those doing the work that keeps this city running and protects all those living and working within bless the business of today those given the responsibility to serve and for all that will take place we pray this in your holy name amen thank you for those powerful words please remain standing councilman Kevin Robinson will lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance of America we both Now call to order the formal meeting will the clerk call the roll councilwoman guardado here councilwoman Hodge Washington here councilwoman O'Brien here councilwoman pastor councilman Robinson here councilwoman Stark here councilman Waring vice mayor I'm sorry here mirga Gallego here Mario Barajas and Gloria San Miguel are with us to provide interpretation Maria would you introduce your team yes mayor thank you hello my name is Mario Barajas and as mentioned previously Gloria Gloria San Miguel will be the other interpreter that will be helping us out I'll now take a moment to introduce ourselves to our Spanish-speaking audience Hispana the Fondo pauses gracias thank you mayor thank you now I will turn to our city clerk for the 24-hour paragraph the titles of the following ordinance and resolution numbers on the agenda were available to the public at least 24 hours prior to this council meeting and therefore may be read by title or agenda item only ordinance number g7148-7161 s-50118-50151 and resolution 22148 thank you and I'll now turn to our City attorney to explain the role of public comment thank you mayor members of the public may speak for up to two minutes to comment on agenda items to be discussed comments must be related to the agenda item and the action being considered by the council General comments that go beyond the scope of the agenda item must be made in the citizen comment session at the end of the agenda the city council and staff cannot discuss or comment on matters related to pending investigations claims or litigation additionally any member of the public who appears before Council in their capacity as a lobbyist must as required by Phoenix city code disclose this fact before addressing counsel the city code requires speakers to present their comments in a respectful and courteous manner profane language threats or personal attacks on members of the public council members or staff are not allowed a person who violates these rules will lose the opportunity to continue to speak thank you so much do we have a motion on boards and commissions so move item number one second we have a motion in second any comments all those in favor please say aye aye any opposed thank you to our incredible boards and Commissioners who advise the City of Phoenix we will now conduct a swearing-in ceremony please raise your right hand I state your name do solemnly swear that I will support the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution and laws of the State of Arizona they will bear true faith and allegiance to the same and defend them against all enemies foreign and domestic and that I will faithfully and impartially discharge the duties of the office of according to the best of my ability so help me God congratulations thank you for your service the City of Phoenix provides an advisory role to the State of Arizona on liquor license applications we'll now turn to that portion of the agenda do we have a motion on Liquor's licenses motion to approve items 2 through 15 except item 13 noting that item 14 has been withdrawn second we have a motion in a second any comments mayor I just hope that Central Park Village invites me to their bingo night they're a great little community in District three wonderful any additional comments all those in favor say aye aye aye any opposed nay passes unanimously we next turn to item 13 which is in District 1 represented by councilwoman O'Brien we will first begin I'll invite Leah Swanton and Detective Lee to come forward and provide us with a brief update and then I'll turn to councilman O'Brien for a motion good afternoon mayor and council members I'm Leah Swanson Deputy City Clerk this request is for a new liquor license for a series 12 restaurant this location was previously located or excuse me previously licensed for liquor sales and does not have an interim permit the 60-day limit for processing this application is September 16th 2023 no protests or support letters were received within the 20-day comment period staff recommends disapproval of the application based on Police Department recommendation for disapproval the police department disapproval is based on the applicant's history of liquor license violations at an establishment the applicant owns multiple outstanding federal and state tax liens subject of a criminal investigation and submitting an application which indicates the location will be a bar versus a restaurant the applicant has not demonstrated the capability qualifications and reliability to hold and control a liquor license with me today is detective Stephen wing with the police department thank you mayor vice mayor and city council she said my name is Steven I actually go by Andy I am with the city of Phoenix Police Department I'm actually filling in for Robin Geico who retired recently but I am pretty aware of this location and the investigation that went along with it um Western West Side tavern it's located at 3558 West Northern Avenue previously was El Rey bar which holds a series six license and then prior to that was the last stop Sports Bar and Grill also holding a series six license before that it was a hideaway lounge west side which also again A Series 6 license and then even before that all the way back to 2011 was a spuds bar series six license you can see the trend there that building since at least past 10 years was a series six uh liquor license a bar but today Raymond cubic is trying to obtain a series 12 restaurant license um Mr Raymond has a lot of experience in the bar world he had nine years over at The Hideaway Lounge which was the East version of The Hideaway West Side version during that time there was multiple violations uh 10 excuse me 12 in the last nine years 10 under Raymond's control and there's been a pattern of it with no no change some of these violations were failure to report acts of violence multiple times selling without a license disorderly conduct and so forth um like mentioned earlier he has a currently being investigated as a in a criminal matter and based off of all those I don't believe Mr Raymond is capable qualified reliable to hold a series 12 liquor or restaurant license at this establishment thank you for that important testimony we have a Troy froderman who is on online and available to speak if necessary I will turn to the councilwoman for the district um I moved to recommend item 13 for disapproval based on the police department's recommendation of disapproval second we have a motion in a second any questions roll call yes Dodge Washington yes O'Brien yes pastor yes Robinson yes Stark yes Waring I'm sorry yes there you go yes passes nine zero city clerk are we ready for ordinances resolutions new business planning and zoning yes mayor do we have a motion motion to approve items 16 through 71 except the following items 34 35 and 65-69 noting that item 63 is being withdrawn item 70 is being continued to November 1st 2023 item 71 is being continued to September 20th 2023 and excluding these items for virtual public comment 1920 67 68 69 70 and 71 and can the clerk confirm if there are any other items that should be excluded for in-person public comment yes mayor members of the council and also excluding item 37 that would be item 37. thank you second we have a motion a second any comments roll call cuardado yes Hodge Washington yes O'Brien yes pastor yes Robinson yes Stark yes wearing I'm sorry yes Gallego yes passes 9-0 we next go to item 19 Maricopa Association of governments do we have a motion I move item 19. second we have a motion in a second we have four members of the public to address the council we'll begin with John followed by Barbara okay foreign Chadwick thank you Council people for bringing me up to speak and what I'm concerned about is uh the mag is a council of governments and uh it seems like the citizens are kind of removed from that uh having uh input where the Council of governments is just making decisions without maybe some of these things should go before this uh a vote for this with the citizens and also the Regional planning agency which they serve as it just seems like they're leaving the citizens out of the loop on this and a lot of these issues have to do with these uh 50-minute cities and uh the green New Deal stuff that isn't really uh mentioned and I think they should put it off as doing any moves forward on it until maybe we can get more information to the citizens that to the details of this whole thing thank you Barbara is next followed by Carol hi good afternoon I've lived in Arizona for over 20 years now and I never knew actually this Corporation existed until recently I did a 10 a meeting of theirs and it is very disconcerting as a taxpayer in Arizona to have unelected people making decisions and using tremendous amount of our resources to make decisions that aren't based on what the public wants again there is a lot of green New Deal initiatives in their planning and um I don't know how these people are held accountable when they don't do what the public wishes to do we pay our salaries to our government officials they're supposed to work for us and act upon what we the people of this state want I mean we have a perfect example of California to look at of things not to do and too much governance I think clouds too much of good decision making and I think the what they do could very easily be placed on other organizations that we already have like Transportation they make a lot of Transportation decisions on behalf of us about slimming down our roads trying to go to electric vehicles which I don't know if everybody just read in the paper how a semi-electric tuck just caught on fire because these batteries aren't good in the Heat or in salt but yet this continued push for electric vehicles when we don't have the infrastructure and quite frankly they could be very dangerous if somebody's caught inside when the vehicle sets on fire I think when it comes to the money that is spent in the state that every the people here in this room should be able to have people that answer to them these people are unelected none of us know who these people are and I think we deserve to know who these people are and we should didn't certainly be spending two hundred and fifty two thousand dollars to belong to this organization thank you thank you Carol is next followed by Leslie our final speaker I'm Leslie you're after me oh I'm sorry I thought you said Leslie sorry I try to get the next two so you know it's your time coming good afternoon Maricopa County Association of governments should be abolished we already have Phoenix City officials that we have elected and so does each City we have a County Board of Supervisors there is no need for an additional bureaucratic board spending over two hundred thousand dollars is a waste of taxpayer money so officials can plan things together and be influenced by lobbyists especially those pushing for more Transit it feels like another way to inspire conspire against the public rather than work for our benefit please remember on whose behalf you are supposed to be working thank you now Leslie okay um I'm just going to reiterate some of what they said that there's like some boundaries that have been stepped past Miss Kate um Miss uh mayor I've tried to call you and get a hold of you and I can't because I have to go through some kind of thing where I can set up an appointment possibly with you you have no email there's no way to communicate with you you're the mayor it seemed very strange to me that you're so off limits that a conversation can't happen so I just want to remind you that Arizona Constitution Article 2 Section 2 political power and the purpose of government it says all political power is inherent in the people and the governments derive their powers from the consent of the governed when you take your oath everyone's sitting up here behind the behind the table very sweet lady right there miss Pastor thank you for keeping me posted there but every single one of you when you take that oath you've sworn that you're going to uphold the Constitution you've sworn to consent to be governed by We the People and what I hear is people coming up here and saying that there's boundaries that are being overstepped we're hearing that another group of people that aren't even elected officials are making major major decisions on how it's going to affect all the people in here whether we they know it or not that's what's happening and so we're asking you to remember that you've taken your oath because it also says that um that your oath is your bond in in the Maxim's law it lets you know that you can't even maximum law 11a it says delegated power cannot be again delegated so you guys have jobs you're supposed to do and now you're delegating to people who are trying to affect our lives and so we're asking you to remember that and I am going to appeal to you to please get yourself an email mayor you're the mayor you should be accessible to us thank you that concludes public comment I'm looking forward to supporting our membership in the Maricopa Association of governments I am one of three elected officials who have served up here on different boards at mag and we have worked on important work including our regional homeless strategy and a transportation plan passed unanimously by the mayor Mayors and tribal leaders of Maricopa County any additional comments councilman pastor yes I just want to make it very clear that those that make the final decisions or take a vote are the ones that are elected official and have been sworn so I just want to be very clear on that they're sworn elected officials that make a major decision Regional Transportation homelessness transfer homelessness and a number of other items so I'm just wanting to put it on the record well said roll call cordado yes Hodge Washington yes O'Brien yes Pastor yes Robinson yes Stark yes Waring I'm sorry yes Gallego yes passes eight one item 20 is League of cities I move item number 20. second we have a motion and a second we have Mary here to speak on this item foreign thank you my name is Mary and I'm opposed to the Phoenix paying the national league of cities 51 410 dollars Phoenix Mayor Kate Gallego is at the Forefront of a globalist effort to ban meat Dairy and private cars by 2030. Gallego sits on the steering committee of C40 cities the globalist Climate Coalition of over 100 cities globally planning and coordinating a centralized system controlling consumer consumption the coal the Coalition declared that consumption in high income cities needed to be reduced by two-thirds to avert a climate crisis the predictions these comments on the league of cities pardon me we are only taking comment on League of cities if you'd like to comment on other items we have the call to the public at the end you have to make your comment connected to the league of cities well I'm just saying that you're involved in this other c-40 cities and you may make that comment at public comment okay thank you thank you Jeff Caldwell mayor council members good afternoon thank you for letting us speak today the payment is fifty one thousand dollars to the league of cities to Lobby the White House and the legislature at the federal level and in my opinion it would be better if we use that money for something else we can't continue doing the same stuff and expecting different results and we've been in this contract for many years and it's time to change course and it's time to actually have leadership within the council to represent itself when lobbying the White House and the federal legislature therefore I wholly support a vote no on this agenda item and please redirect the money towards something that is useful more useful than paying lobbyists thank you foreign any comments so I will make a comment on the national league of cities we just had a conference last week uh four I think five of us uh were there represented at the league I believe five of us spoke at different sessions about number of things that we are doing within the city to help other cities the national league of cities is also and that's the Arizona and then we go to the National League of cities where it's a whole nother level of where we're able to work with other cities and get best practices and be able then to learn from one another and uh be be able to bring those best practices to the National League of City so I just want to be clear that this is this is where government where government where we're able to then learn best practices from other uh cities and other uh elected officials on how we can improve our city so I will be voting yes roll call yes Hajj Washington O'Brien yes Pastor yes Robinson yes Stark yes Waring I'm sorry yes Gallego yes passes eight one we next turn to item 34 which is an application for usdot Grants through the bipartisan infrastructure law I will turn to the vice mayor for a motion I move item number 34. second and we um it's an important priority for districts seven and eight we will turn to our district 7 lead vice mayor Ansari for comments thank you mayor um so this planning Grant is for the Levine area command Channel and it would be a huge win for the Levine area which as you mentioned district 7 shares with District 8. this isn't the first one we've applied for in fact we were pretty close to getting a raise Grant a few months ago and I want to give my sincere thank you to Mario and all of the city departments involved in pursuing every possible Federal opportunity to revitalize this linear Park this 5.5 mile active Transportation Corridor can be a model for if we properly activate it um as a it's a flood control Channel my team and community members have worked to recently install a bike pump fix it station on 59th Avenue using last year's participatory budget funds and we look forward to more Investments very soon so thank you so much councilwoman Hodge Washington thank you mayor I want to also Echo what councilwoman Ansari mentioned about the Levine conveyance Channel it is a great opportunity where we mix I call it a mixed-use public facility not only do you have drainage of Transportation but it's also an area where our community congregates so I too I know this is our second opportunity presenting this for federal funding and I hope that we are successful we have seen more than 75 community members rally and come together for this project and I'm hopeful that this the second time will be successful any additional comments roll call yes Dodge Washington yes O'Brien yes pastor Robinson yes Stark Waring I'm sorry yes there you go yes passes 9-0 item 35 is an agreement with the Arizona Diamondbacks foundation for El Oso Park in District Five do we have a motion yes I would like to make a motion for item 35. motion and a second and we'll turn to our district five councilwoman thank you mayor um yes I just wanted to take a moment to thank the Arizona Diamondbacks foundation and our Phoenix Parks and Recreation Department for this incredible investment in District Five this agreement will provide for the refurbishment of two baseball fields at eloso Park the investment will include landscape improvements New Field accessories electrical access and a new scoreboard for each field as a mom of two young boys I have myself spent a lot of time at eloso Park we know how active this community is how active this park is we're always hearing about families coming in and playing soccer playing baseball and now enjoying our new splash pad that we just did a ribbon cutting for a few months ago so we're very excited how this gem is getting these enhancements and how great and how great this opportunity is for everyone that lives in that area so congratulations to the neighborhood in that area that's getting this new reinvestment and again a huge thank you to the Arizona Diamondbacks foundation and our Parks and Recreation Department I'm very proud to be able to support this item today thank you an exciting investment roll call yes Roger Washington yes O'Brien yes pastor yes Robinson yes Stark yes Waring I'm sorry yes there you go yes passes 9-0 item 37 is a safety safety and vending enforcement partial partnership with the Arizona Coliseum and Exposition Center do we have a motion I move item number we have a motion in a second Beatrice Johnson is here to provide testimony on the Coliseum partnership for those of you who are not in the audience she has indicated she is not needing to testify on this item any comments roll call yes watch Washington yes O'Brien yes pastor yes Robinson yes Stark yes Waring I apologize I'm sorry yes there you go yes passes nine zero we next move to the Planning and Zoning portion of our agenda we'll begin with item 65 and 66 which are related items in District Six at the northeast corner of 48th Street and Frye I believe we do not need a staff report on this one okay all right so we will open a public hearing we do not have any members of the public to testify this is a hearing on both 65 and 66 we will close the hearing and I will turn to councilman Robinson for a motion first on 65. item six fun thank you mayor um motion to approve per the Planning Commission recommendation adopt it adopt the related resolution second we have a motion a second any comments roll call guardado yes Hajj Washington yes O'Brien yes pastor yes Robinson yes Stark yes wearing I'm sorry yes there you go yes passes 9-0 item 66 councilman Robinson thank you mayor item 66 motion to approve per the Planning Commission recommendation and adopt the related ordinance okay in a second any comments roll call yes yes Dodge Washington yes O'Brien yes Pastor yes Robinson yes Stark wearing I'm sorry yes Gallego yes passes nine zero we next go to item 67 which is related to the southwest corner of Central Avenue and Coolidge Street we will begin that one with a brief staff report foreign thank you mayor members of the council the subject site associated with this particular request is currently vacant and was previously occupied by the hinckley's lighting store prior to its demolition in 2023 The Proposal is for 155 units of multifamil residential with ground floor commercial on Central Avenue in Coolidge and a restaurant space with outdoor seating oriented towards the Grand Canal on the Southeast corner of the subject site next slide the request is to go from C2 tod1 to a PUD to allow for the Mixed use next slide this is a snapshot of the project and a rendering of it from the Coolidge side against the seven story building with detached sidewalks on both Coolidge and Central vehicular access to the site is from Central Avenue with ground floor commercial next slide here's a snapshot of the site and the proposal from the Grand Canal next slide the Alhambra VPC recommended approval by an 8-5 vote in June the Planning Commission recommended approval for the Alhambra VPC recommendation in August excellent staff recommends approval for the planning commission's recommendation and Adoption of the related ordinance mayor happy to answer any questions thank you any questions for Josh before we go to the public hearing all right so we will open the public hearing appellant Ken Waters will speak for up to 10 minutes and then Ben Tate will speak for up to 10 minutes on behalf of the applicant and then we have cards from members of the public who have not yet spoken if the appellant wishes to turn over his time to another speaker and do a shared presentation he is feel free to he may do so we will Begin Again with Ken Waters um thank you okay um this is can we get that okay that's good okay uh we are talking about the canal escape and the Tod uh that's a far away there um okay this item in the next item this I'm going to use a slide on the nexogen item as well but I just want to show you uh where we're at in um in uptown they're still in the school Park Indian School camelback's right up there this is the site right at across from Brophy next slide I can't even read it [Music] um anyways I'm going to use this for the next agenda item as well but number one on there we need to cease and desist from uh making Phoenix Tod a case study and how not to do the Tod next slide okay the subject site is right there um as you can see it's the developer has already closed escrow as of two years ago and they accepted T 5.5 and you can see it it's consistent with the neighbors Lex there uh Pavilions right down there but we've got T 5.5 all all the way up and down the line there on Central they're going for a t 5.6 okay uh I'm I'm willing to consider that what are they going to give us let's do some uh capitalism 101 math here um with great Civic entitlement comes uh great civic responsibility I just want to do what they're getting for for their civic entitlement 155 units times 2 000 bucks uh per month per unit and at the bottom you can see a 10-year hold rate they're going to get 35 million in Revenue over 10-year period that's good uh you guys I I would do the same thing but what are we going to get for it okay they've submitted two plans here um Jimmy give me a water bottle they submitted two plans here um first planter was for pro 144 units for the T 5.6 granted they've closed that's growing a t 5.5 so they added 11 more units times 12 12 months per year they went for 132 additional rental months per year um they're getting a lot they're squeezing a lot of uh development greed out of that a lot of us would do it that's capitalism101 but the question is what are we getting in return for it this is what uh the Uptown Tod policy plan um from the reinvent Phoenix process uh was as you can see this is perfect planning hats off to Phoenix look at this site this is Stellar this is an A-Plus designed for T 5.5 look at the patio on both Central and the canal scape this is across the street from Brophy in catty corner from Central High School huge big patio on the canal Escape it activates the canal this is what we want this is this is making the uh Canal Escape uh you know the pride and joy of Phoenix planning but what are they giving us they're giving us this now at the corner at the corner there hang on hang on okay at the corner there um as you can see they intend to make that a leasing office Laura correct me if I'm wrong but back on December 6th we we addressed not putting the leasing office and gyms and fitnesses out on the front of Central Avenue and keeping this for the walkable urban lifestyle they're putting these leasing offices and gyms and whatnot on the front and that's our Main Street USA drag there we want to put put retail out there and we can easily do this there's a solution here we're going to play Tetris with with their with their uh their site plan okay above is what uh perfect great Phoenix planning gives us through the reinvent Phoenix process we've got a huge big patio there what are they giving the same view here that patio right there it's four feet you open the door and that open that's the end of the patio this is there's no there's no basically there's no patio on the canal Escape here um and that's that's ridiculous it's the canal Escape here's the site plan all I wanted to highlight here was that little green area right there is eight feet eight feet um and if that's eight feet the little sidewalk then this is four feet five feet it's basically they call it a restaurant patio it's not I put this Arrow there to highlight when you open the door the end of the door is also the end of the patio so there's really no patio whatsoever see here okay um what we're going to do here I was hoping this would show up bigger um but anyways what we're going to do is we're gonna play Tetris on the next slide we're going to take this commercial unit there and slide it to the end of the of those uh those two parking spots we're gonna lose two parking spots by sliding this commercial unit over and then we're going to slide this unit and this unit up and it's gonna we're gonna just play some Tetris and what we're going to do is recreate the patio underneath the fir the the second floor so we're going to have indoor patio for the most part a little bit sliding out but that's what we need it's also going to make the space premium um and here we go we play Tetris all I did was uh slide that unit that way slide that unit that way and you've got basically um what was intended for the site for through the reinvent Phoenix process um this let's see that's the end okay this is what we want this is an easy fix uh what they're what they are asking for is basically development greed that's just unchecked here um they've already signed off in the T5 colon 5 Transit type they closed escrow two years ago so there are already accepting this they're saying they can't make a pencil but they made a pencil when they closed escrow two years ago this is what we want we want patio space for this um now let me make a plea to all the council members because that the only council member this does not apply to is councilman Jim Waring Jim Moraine does not have Tod in his district I think he acknowledges that but everybody else including uh councilman Kevin Robinson I think he got a spaghetti string of Tod running through your through your district and what I'm asking uh all the city council people if you've got a TOD project that's coming up it affects your District too because if they put if you're putting if you're just gonna the elephant in the room is you guys bow to whatever district council person um it's in that District so they become basically the God and dictator of dictate of District Four and we've got eight strong Mayors in one week mayor even though she's the best educated in the room uh probably the most Visionary so she but she can't Buck the system if all the council people say I'm going to follow the lead of the one Council and what Laura pass Laura pastor has only seen well the Muse was built before your tenure Omni net was was built was was conditioned through your tenure but hasn't been built there's been no meaningful mixed use in your District yet and your dad is basically the the father of the Tod he facilitated the funding for this if we didn't get the billion dollars from Mr Pastor there would be no Light Rail and he literally handed off the Tod to his daughter in District Four the Tod portion of this and we have not been seen good quality Tod projects and if you pass that current project as is in the current state which basically gets no patio does not honor the reinvent Phoenix process once again we're just we're getting short shifted on the Tod so I'm asking you that's an easy fix all you got to do is move that space you don't have to move one column you don't have to move one steel girder you just move the storefront windows inside and push the patio underneath and they've got the space in there so that's such an easy fix if you can't fix it here at the city councilman at this city council meeting let's continue it for two weeks because that is such an easy fix and get an A plus versus a c plus or a c project otherwise so anyways and move the leasing office back over and Retail to the corner there so appreciate your time and hope to get that consideration all of the city council members because it's in your Tod District if it's a TD project it also affects your Tod system so thank you [Music] thank you we will next call Ben Tate on behalf of the applicant uh good afternoon mayor members of council Benjamin Tate with with you Morris Spa 2525 East Arizona Biltmore circle on behalf of Ras developments which is the developer of the site pleased to be here today to speak with you about 4600 this is an area that I grew up in this is the kind of project that I get into this business for uh and despite what Mr Waters says it's exactly the kind of project that the Tod envisioned for the central Corridor and particularly in the Uptown Corridor and the thing that I would remind the council that I think is a bit of a misconception about the Tod plan uh overall is that the Tod plan is not a set of development standards it's not a set of rigid guidelines that developments are supposed to follow religiously it is intended as a guidepost and as a policy plan to help guide future development along the Tod Corridor and so when Mr Waters says uh that you're you're not getting what you asked for with the Tod I I think that's precisely the opposite what the Tod is calling for all up and down this Corridor but in this area in particular are really three things cannot put on this site canal canal oriented development walkable development and mixed use and those are three things that we're delivering on this site in a really efficient way that is going to be a really Landmark development for the Uptown corridor I'll jump through a couple of slides just to highlight a couple of points that I think are really important and the first is the amount of mixed use there have been some comments about the amount of commercial we're providing and where that commercial is provided uh and this site is 1.07 Acres net we have a very small canvas to play with and what I would point out is that uh we're kind of getting contradictory feedback and you in fact you actually heard it precisely in Mr Waters presentation it's that they would like us to create more patio space along the canal but they would also like us to provide more commercial than we're already providing and as you know uh a site is a zero-sum game you get rid of one thing and you add another you don't get more out of the same number and so if we move our patio back to create more space along the canal necessarily that means less of what we're hearing up and down this Corridor that people are asking for which is new retail development along the central corridor as Josh pointed out these are just a couple renderings of the site this is a rendering of our canalscape Corridor this is a part of the site that we're particularly proud of because it's something that nobody has tried in the city of Phoenix yet and that is a canal oriented restaurant and retail space so we have about a 2500 square foot space two two-story clear story windows so very high ceilings very open and Airy and about 2500 square feet of space for a cafe a bistro with its front door facing towards the canal which I think is a really really exciting thing because it's exactly what the Tod envisioned and hopefully it is proof of concept for future developments along the canal the canal oriented development is possible in the city of Phoenix and we can create our own really robust and really vibrant Canal scape uh the other point that Mr Waters mentioned that I'd like to uh to point out uh and it it has to do with our leasing office and and where that leasing office is located again this is not a site plan review process this is a zoning process and the idea behind the zoning process is to determine whether or not uh the land use in the project that we're presenting is appropriate and it's compatible and I think the recommendations that we've gotten from both the Alhambra Village the Planning Commission and the 14 letters of support that you find in your packet all indicate precisely that that this is what the community has been asking for in this area it's what the Tod calls for in this area and it's what we're excited to bring to this area and I'd be happy to answer any questions you may have thank you any questions councilwoman Stark and my question may really be directed at staff it part of the Tod is about walkability but that doesn't mean everything on the first floor or the first level has to be commercial it's just that we want to make sure when people are walking along there's a level of comfort and that they feel they can walk down the street and enjoy the view and enjoy what they're doing I I never thought the Tod was about complete commercial on the first level am I correct mayor councilwoman Stark I'd say that's a fair assessment what I will say what I will add though is that you know a mix of uses is something that we do look at to your point though the walkable ribbon code or in this case a PUD that's modeled off the walkable ribbon code is really set up to to provide a regulatory framework on how that project to your point will interface with the public realm in this case the street in the canal so it'll it'll talk about a certain level of Windows entrances those kinds and then most importantly shade requirements on all the street frontages so these those things are constant on all Tod cases whether they be a PUD or woo code thank you thank you mayor thank you thank you thank you we have three additional members of the public to testify each of whom will have two minutes we'll begin with Kristen listen followed by Jeremy Thacker do opponent was this project in its current form I'm really excited about most of the things in this project the density the um the design is is great too it is really going back to the Tod Miss Stark I have to laugh it's not about feeling comfortable and seeing that there's some glass windows because if you look down Central all the way from Camelback all the way down town what do you see gems gym a gym no that's not what we're asking for and the reason why we're so fired up about this retail is because there is a requirement to have it and they fill it with a gym I live in the neighborhood the walkable to me is about being able to walk to something that actually provides something that I can purchase a grocery store coffee shop things like that I'm not gonna walk to a gym that I don't belong to or walk to a leasing office so I just have to kind of have have you walk back a little bit about your comment is completely ridiculous in my opinion um so that's it really just looking um I would say Echo Mr Waters said is just please look at the design I walk on that Canal every single day and it's already a dangerous intersection um butting up to Central I feel like I'm gonna fall into the canal almost every day trying to pass somebody so I can't imagine uh people standing in line if that's the front door for the restaurant um what that's even gonna be like so appreciate the time thanks thank you Jeremy is next followed by our final comment from Brent I do wish we had some options other than support or oppose or neutral here support with slight changes I agree with Kristen that this is a one of the better projects that we've seen along Central Avenue it's really good in most areas but where it connects we're talking about one of the busiest pedestrian Crossings and mostly students by the way at Central and the canal so and we've already had a death there this year they're talking about putting this up to the very edge it's 100 lot coverage so to the edge of the sidewalk that exists at the canal and Central simply asking for that to be made patio space which uh I will counter Ben's argument restaurant patio space is retail that is retail space it's not removing retail space it's still retail space um so we're not asking for the elimination of retail space it's not a you know a conflicting argument that's being made here but asking for the uh to have more than just the sidewalk that's there on the canal on the North side at Central Avenue is not asking too much so just put a little outdoor space there so you don't have lines that are waiting at the door so it seems more open and does conform to what was planned for reinvent other than that it's a great project it is mixed use it's high density it's going to activate the canal and I'm happy to support it when I'm at the meeting we had for Central Park Jason Morris said hey bring us restaurants bring us commercial and Retail so what I'd like to ask today is at 4600 if we bring you a restaurant that's big enough and we'll use the patio space well you then look at doing that because I I think you know me well enough to know that I'll I'll go find one uh if we can do that so that's my question my ask thanks thank you Brent will be our final speaker Brent Kleinman all right we are not hearing any Audio for Brent that concludes then our public comment on this item so we will close the public hearing and I will turn to councilwoman pastor um I would like uh Ben Tate to come to the microphone do you have outdoor space I'm sorry outdoor space part of this project Madam mayor councilwoman Pastor yes we do there is patio space out there it is factored into the into the development and just quickly in response to that I would note with Mr thacker's comment as far as outdoor patio space being retail space I suppose in concept that's true but in Arizona from May to September that is certainly not retail space and it's summer where we went through over 31 days of 110 degrees okay so there is outdoor space because I believe that I pushed through Josh uh this project as to the fact and with SRP um that I would like to see the sevens uh 7th Avenue and 7th Street activated and all the projects that are going to be or coming on the canal needed to have activation and I pushed really hard on this piece because I would not budge and Josh you can explain that piece in the sense of what I requested and what I wanted to see on the canal mayor councilwoman Pastor you're absolutely right there are specific Provisions in this PUD that require this project to interface in an active way with the canal the use provisions for commercial uses specifically restrict the installation of a gym or the installation or the or the allowance for that commercial area for a leasing office it cannot be things that are at the exclusive use of the resonance and that's the standard here now there could be space on the ground floor that could allow for that that can't count towards their minimum amount of commercial that they're required to provide on the ground floor with respect to the canal activation one of the as mentioned I think earlier in the presentation there's a contribution from this developer for a quarter million dollars towards enhancing the canal scape that along with the the project that's coming down to the West will really provide an enhanced opportunity for folks to enjoy the canal to interface with this project and other investment coming along now okay I I make comments on that thank you on how I how I really pushed and worked through Josh on this project as I stated early it's really for me the activation of the Grand Canal the Grand Canal throughout our whole city is one of the is is a Charming piece that we need to activate I went to Scottsdale Promenade and watched and walked their canal and the activation on that canal I push SRP because we uh were talking about the canal and and the length of it and and their utility trucks and I pushed them to uh really get to the point that we can activate if Scottsdale can activate we can activate in Phoenix and uh the vision of really kind of the reinvent some of it is to activate the space in the canal and we also then will be seeing more Eyes On the Canal means there's less Danger on the canals more lighting which I pushed for was more lighting and pedestrian infrastructure and that was agreed upon the other piece that we need to understand is that there's a lot of development happening in the space new housing oriented along the canal is under construction on Third Avenue and a new investment like the expansion of mckinsey's Midtown Tavern which I sat with and said hey I want this canal activated if you want you're telling me you would like to expand and go the space let's activate it and they listened and it's moving and it's going to happen and it's going to be nice to have a pickleball space on the canal it's going to be nice to be able to park our bikes there it's going to be nice to see people outside using the canal and be able to ride their bike and stop and have something to eat or meet people that's going to be nice but designing for the canal was also with the neighborhood in mind this project does not have its driveway on Coolidge at the request of the neighborhood the bud requires the canal to be activated with commercial uses on the ground floor and calls for a contribution of 250 000 to further enhance the project interface with the canal the request will allow for mixed use Canal oriented development to be built a short walk from the Light Rail station you hear about the Light Rail station you hear about the Tod and then you hear about my dad I actually got the decided that I was going to go back in history and go talk to those that were part of creating the Tod and pushing for the Light Rail and it was actually it was nice to hear what the vision was because I was not part of that Vision I didn't have those conversations I was a lot younger at that time and uh it was nice to hear the reason why uh Central where where Camelback and all that Corridor area the reason why a vision came about in that in this space was because that area was deteriorating they weren't close to freeways there was no uh really uh it was all a bus system Transit oriented they wanted to build the trans oriented development in order to activate Midtown and Uptown again in order to revitalize it well that's happening so I would say my dad's vision is happening um didn't really know it I'm glad I'm in the space to be able to have some uh honor it and be able to see it make it happen it may not be happening the way some of the people in our neighborhoods want it they may think it's a piecemeal but that's the way life is sometimes we have sometimes in order to get to that Vision we put peace milk projects in order to get there they will be very surprised when we go out with the Tod and see actually all the great work that has been done within that space um and so thank you for bringing up my dad and honoring him I appreciate it uh one of the pieces that I would say that I did hear throughout listening to history was he wanted people to have access he wanted to people to have connection and a sense of community and vibrancy and that is happening and going to happen as the future goes I won't be here in the sense I'll be off at Council but in 10 years I will then be able to see all the work that has happened and especially in South Phoenix he was very dedicated to the fact that he wanted the Tod in South Phoenix and to revitalize that space so thank you so I want to say I'm thank you for the work to the applicant the community they did this work together on this project I was just the behind the scenes of saying I don't like that or behind the scenes the neighborhood is telling me this this is what I like to see and in order to make sure that the enhancements happen on the Grand Canal with that I moved the approval of z-9-22-4 for the planning commission's recommendation and adopt the related ordinance second we have a motion in a second any comments mayor I want to say thank you to the councilwoman I think you put it more eloquently um activation doesn't just necessarily mean commercial I I had the opportunity to go to a city this summer and they had a beautiful area that wasn't all commercial but they had little parquets they had areas where you could sit and enjoy and just be a part of the community so it really I think is about activation and that's what I meant by not everything needs to be commercial we just need to feel that you're a part of that street as you walk up and down it thank you you put it very well High compliments from a fellow in them was American College of planning is that right excellent all right roll call yes watch Washington yes O'Brien yes a store yes Robinson yes Stark yes wearing I'm sorry yes there you go yes passes 9-0 item 68 is related to the northwest corner of Central and Glenrosa also in District Four we will begin with a brief staff report and then open the public hearing members of the council item item 68 is e17-22-4 a request to rezone property at Central Avenue in Glenrosa the subject site has been entirely vacant and undeveloped since 1986 but was temporarily reused as a plant nursery and a community garden from 2016 to 2021. the request to go to a variety of transect districts is also from a series of approved and existing zoning on this site ranging from R5 to C2 height waiver and HR this is a snapshot of the site plan it's calling for a phase development of approach over about 10 years proposing 1500 units and around 25 000 square feet of ground floor retail these are some snapshots of the project from Central Avenue and then from 2nd Avenue along the west the Encanto Village planning committee approved their request in June the Planning Commission approved the request in August staff recommends approval per the September 6th Memo from the planning and development director and Adoption of the related ordinance mayor happy to answer any questions thank you not seeing any questions we will open the public hearing we will begin with the appellant Ken Waters who has 10 minutes and may allocate some of that to additional speakers and then Wendy Riddell who has 10 minutes and can allocate some of that to additional speakers if she chooses okay so um we will begin with six minutes with Jeremy and then okay six minutes to Jeremy all right ready so I'm here asking for one simple change to this project um to ensure that 8 000 Vehicles a day from this development don't have access to our local neighborhood streets that are already overwhelmed with traffic that's it that's what I'm asking for unlike most opposition that you see in here for developments um not the neighborhood is not opposing high density not opposing the number of units were for reduced parking we're even willing to allow it to be under five percent public open space so unlike all the NIMBY arguments you hear in here this is not what we're talking about um we just want one additional North South Street that allows for Traffic Control to prevent and push all the traffic to the arterial streets in central instead of allowing those vehicles to come through the neighborhood this is what that looks like on the left is the current Design This is my rendering of it making it simple on the right is what we're asking for one additional Street would make all of the difference um and also make the neighborhood really happy so as it sits with one North South Street you can't control the traffic and where it's going it's allowed to go into the neighborhood and right now we've got a lot of traffic going through our neighborhood um so what I'm working off of is the trip generation report from the developer from Loki Who provided it to Petrie and in their trip generation report they've got a lot of false statements so first of all we'll talk about the classification they Rec they say that tourney and Glenrosa are both minor collector streets with a vehicle capacity of 9 200 vehicles per day that is false those are local streets with vehicle capacity of 1 000 per day so the capacity that they show I can't see it from here but it's like 11 on tourney currently based on 1068 Vehicles a day we're currently over capacity because the capacity of the street is a thousand today before the project even gets started this information that was given to us is false the routes they show so they show they're going to generate around 8 000 vehicle trips per day from this development it's 1500 units that's a lot and they're showing that only 86 vehicles per day are going to cut through our neighborhood less than you know right at one percent the problem is that oh sorry let me move ahead here that that's not going to happen right now everyone cuts through our neighborhood so if you look at uh the routes that they're saying people are going to take they're saying people are going to leave go to Central go north on Central left on Camelback towards 7th Avenue that's seven lights on a street that's got Los E and F all up and down it currently before we add these 30 000 Vehicles a day from this development and the Central Park it's longer it takes longer it's got more uh conflicts along the way no one is going to take that route because of human nature we take the path of least resistance and the fastest route every time people are going to cut through our neighborhood this 86 Vehicles is a lie and it's don't trust me look at Google Maps who has trillions of data points if you pull up Google Maps and look at the route that they tell you to take from the development to 7th Avenue and Camelback they give you multiple routes not one of them is on Central Avenue everyone is through the neighborhood because it's faster and that's exactly what's going to happen and they're not slightly off this is we're not 10 off or 25 percent off they're saying 86 vehicles per day but they acknowledge that it's going to be 3 000 vehicles per day cutting through our neighborhood or that are going that direction so when they're often people are actually taking the fastest route they're going to be off by a thousand percent or more this is serious adding 1500 vehicles per Street Antonio Glenrosa is going to overwhelm our neighborhood so I also want to present submit to the record uh Ken and I gathered a hundred and five signatures in opposition to the current design people that still want the development but are begging that the at a street to prevent the traffic from coming through our neighborhood that we're asking for one simple change and if you look at this we've got 100 percent opposition coverage on tourney Avenue and every door that we not 99 of the people that answered oppose this I think we ran into one person that supported the development as is otherwise we've got 99 opposition based on the current design this is the total episode just a pulled out shot of it of the opposition so this is a design just one street extra is a design that everyone can support that the entire neighborhood can get behind and everyone wins we don't lose density we don't lose number of housing units uh none of that everyone wins this aligns with what was in reinvent Phoenix conceptual or not this is what people had in mind and this is almost identical to it we were told by Petrie that the streets department would not allow multiple Parcels they've said it in multiple public meetings at the Planning Commission at evpc so last week Maya from the streets department you can see your quotes here says I don't believe it Josh where's our uh I got a different presentation the previous one from uh hang on uh the timer until we get the right deck is that it here we go okay um Laura what you did was the opposite of activation there you just awarded uh developers another uh set of entitlements without with great Civic entitlements comes great civic responsibility you just did a giveaway you didn't activate the canal on that last one um and this is what's wrong with uh planning if we get a bad city council person in for 12 years and the elephant in the room is that that council person becomes god and goddess and dictator of the of the district this the smartest people in the room are the zoning attorneys they know straight who do Straight go go to they go to the cut their deal with the city council person and the rest of you guys just backed that council person so you can have the same power in that that district and it's in its ruinous um what's going on here we're talking about Petrie on this one uh 15 Acres let's give that a project an f and catty corner to that uh is a Central Park project 1.0 passing uh in 2019 that's the Platinum standard Laura that's what you should be using as your Baseline we want a plus projects on our Main Street USA drag on the Tod and the Central Park hit it out of the park with 1.0 now they're shifting gears here next Monday in front of Encanto and it's going to be a downgrade and hopefully we can I got fingers crossed that we can get that back up to a B plus or an A minus maybe an A but Petrie I mean the whole process was bastardized uh I mean it was done with all the board of directors right there and if I was there too I would have done been doing the same thing as the board of directors for for can for Carnation they didn't want Montecito to go through so good for them they stopped it but I think they were scared that if we we say no to this project who knows maybe the next project it comes through with Montecito going in so they basically told the rest of their uh Carnation folks hey we fought the good fight and that's best we can do we endorse the project yet they wouldn't put it up for a vote for the Carnation folks go figure why didn't they put it up for a vote for their Carnation folks uh Jeremy brings up a lot of good points you can't be putting Neutron Bond Traffic bombs into neighborhoods with 1 500 units and they just got a free green light over to 7th Avenue please city city council have some heart what's going on with the Tod is Willa's got it great they've got they've got uh Gates there uh and it's tranquil and serenity on one side and exactly what the city wants on the other let's start considering that for uh the rest of uh the central Corridor next okay Tio Denny's in overhaul and I got 53 seconds here okay cease and desist Phoenix's case study and how not to build the walkable Urban Light Rail Tod system that's number one number two hire world-class director of streets in the mold of strong Town's Chuck the current one uh Kenny Knutson is killing uh neighborhood streets in this I mean he's all about throughput in uh bandwidth and getting as much traffic through and everywhere and it's killing us get top management and Phoenix economic development in this game uh economic development is not in in this game a lot of people are saying it's going to be vacant so what can we do well first of all let's get the city behind this thing and get a vision going for the Tod right now you're going to pass an F project and that's going to be a shame this thing this thing should be continued and to look seriously at Jeremy's fix the traffic so carnations not ruined and twenty thousand square feet of retail on 15 Acres that's a joke should be a lot more across the street than Central Park over there as 98 000 square feet in Phase One or 1.0 so thank you anyways we will go next to Wendy on behalf of the applicant and then we will go to the general public comment starting with Ed Hermes thank you madam mayor members of the council Wendy Riddell with the law firm Barry Riddell 6750 my pleasure to finally be here today on behalf of Petrie I'm hoping they can pull the presentation up wonderful so we're here today to talk about Central and Glenrosa the the developer here this project has been a legacy hold it's a site that they've actually had over 30 years they have finally partnered with an experienced multi-family developer and they're here today bringing the project forward as a result so the site that we're talking about today we're bringing woo code we are in conformance with the plan conforms town to the Uptown Tod policy plan it maximizes community's investment in Light Rail and it Transitions and becomes a part of the Carnation neighborhood I know this is a little bit off I don't know if staff can help me out to fix the alignment but as you look at this map you will see that our zoning transects that we are requesting are identical to the up down Tod policy plan and if you would you'll also notice that we are putting the intensity here on Central Avenue precisely where it belongs we are looking at a 22 story 240 foot building on Central Avenue and a seven-story 85-foot tall tower on Central Avenue as well again maximizing the community's investment here in light rail you'll also notice that there are very specific stipulations that deal with how thank you by the way whoever did that that deal with how the height transitions into the Carnation neighborhood you'll see their step Downs that there are setbacks this was very carefully negotiated with the Carnation neighborhood you'll also see and precisely to councilwoman Stark's Point you'll see activated Street frontages here and we achieve that through a mix of commercial 25 000 square feet of commercial as well as with stoop units throughout as well as activated Open Spaces we are despite what Mr Thacker has told you we actually have over 18 open space on part of this 2.8 Acres with a lush tree canopy 75 shade we have a hundred percent three inch caliper trees versus the 30 percent that is required we have large detached sidewalks to create a very walkable environment we have also made a commitment here to public art working with gratina Kaylor president of art link did a lot on Roosevelt Row as a commitment to public art we have a minimum of 10 of our parking stalls have EV charging so a commitment to EV charging we've also made a significant commitment to Bicycle infrastructure here in many cases even doubling the city's requirements for bicycle infrastructure we tell you for a minute about how we got here because this has been quite a long discussion that we have been having with the community I will tell you this site today has probably the most intense approved entitlements allowed substantial height density and intensity with c2hr height waiver Tod as you look at this site it is currently entitled for 1.7 million square feet it has a 500 foot tall tall office tower it was the 80s right it looks like the 80s it has a huge parking garage pushed up against the Carnation neighborhood it has a permission for 2264 units it's very intensely entitled today what we are actually proposing is a significant reduction in traffic by over 12 000 trips compared to those existing entitlements and I will tell you this is a conversation that we began back in February 3rd 2022 to put that in perspective for you we were wearing masks when we met with folks and Russia had not yet invaded Ukraine so it's been a while we've been having a long conversation with this community and we ultimately spent a good deal of that conversation after we met with many of the constituents and stakeholders up and down Central focused on the Carnation neighborhood and you will see a timeline of substantial meetings throughout the community I think when we tallied this up we had over 132 texts 218 emails more phone calls than you can imagine more meetings more Saturday afternoon spent eating pizza with these folks working through this project and the result is 23 new stipulations placed on this case above the stipulations that staff had as place we're closing the Montecito alignment into the Carnation neighborhood we've increased the amount of open space to 25 000 square feet and we've been expressly clear that that does not include leasing offices or gyms we're talking about retail restaurant commercial space that will actually be gray shelled out we reduce the density here by 100 units again we carefully negotiated the height Transitions and the setbacks into the community we have restrictions here unloading unloading trash pickup all of this by the way is codified in stipulation 19 which requires us to do a pedestrian and particular circulation plan with each of the four phases which each of the submittals as we come back to prove up that we have a walkable environment that we have a circulation pattern that works we have a commitment even to an interim beautification plan to a community message board that we're providing for carnation we've also made a significant commitment to light rail providing free Transit passes to all new residents for 60 days to teach them that habit of riding Phoenix's light rail we have a detailed construction management plan about how every aspect of construction would be handled to Carnation satisfaction we also agreed with each of the four phases to come back through the public hearing through the pho process to talk about the design to talk about the proposal and to come back through the village and probably the biggest thing that we have done for Carnation is we have agreed to significant traffic mitigation including sidewalks for Carnation we are installing new sidewalks in partnership with the Carnation neighborhood on Glenrosa on the south side of Turney we have also agreed to significant mitigation you've got traffic calming infrastructure that's going to be added to all of those intersections that are listed we have neck down infrastructure that's going to be added so people really recognize when they're driving into that neighborhood and we have additional roundabouts that we're adding and a stop sign that we're adding again all of this very carefully negotiated with Carnation and with Street transportation department and you can get a look this is an idea of what that traffic mitigation looks like laid into the neighborhood including the sidewalks so just very quickly I want to touch on Mr thacker's concerns so I am not a traffic engineer I suspect this Council knows that but you don't have to be one to see that one-way streets as Mr Thacker wants us to do proposed actually increase the travel distance that you would have to drive in this project it causes people to actually drive around the exterior when you have one-way streets you'll also notice that what he's proposing puts adds roadway intersections adds complexity adds conflict along the southern portion and adds direct conflict with pedestrians he also has asked us to create four access points into tourney Avenue where we are proposing a write-in right out again you don't have to be a traffic engineer to recognize that one access point restricts traffic allowing four access points increases traffic into the neighborhood same thing on Glenrosa again when you look at the plan he's been sharing with us he's asked for additional access points where we have one it also I would point out we have followed with this plan the block sizes the street Network throughout the City of Phoenix if we were to try to break that down any further you essentially create a fractured site that is not buildable that is why these block size sizes follow the existing City of Phoenix Street Network and is in conformance with the woo code with that 600 foot block maximum block length on the woo code with that Madame mayor I do have my traffic engineer she can step up and just say a few words I'm also happy to save any remaining time for rebuttal okay councilman O'Brien has a question actually maybe the traffic engineer could assist with this one hi Jamie blakeman um 1055 North 114th Street and I'm the traffic engineer on this project um oh in Scottsdale um I don't know how to jump to my slides but I'm going to make it I think uh councilman O'Brien has a question for you oh go ahead sorry okay I appreciate it um regarding Mr thacker's suggestion that that additional Street would cut down traffic from going through the neighborhood can you give me your thoughts on that since you were the traffic engineer I couldn't hear your whole question I apologize Mr Thacker suggested that his Road design would keep people from going through the neighborhood can you speak to that as a traffic engineer so can I speak to what we've tried to do because in reality what his plan does is actually pull further further west and like Wendy just explained there's additional access points so so I feel like that adds more complexity and more accesses to control what we've put in place is one access point and all of our accesses if you notice are very East on our site we try not to pull traffic into the site to the West so I think what you'll find is in reality is that we are on the same page with what uh so okay so on this diagram here I colored in red just so you could see on the left side is our development and the access points so our access points are on the first third of the site the other one that was being suggested pulls you further in you can see by that red box and adds additional access points so I would think so I I think I want to Circle back to the fact that our goal is really the same as their goal we do not want traffic going into the neighborhood if you look at all the mitigation measures that we've taken into place is to add that friction to the west side of the development I don't know if we can jump to this is it backwards okay so if we go to and does it have this one after that so if we look at this this is straight out of the city of Phoenix uh traffic uh their design standards and if you look at this on the left side of the uh the page it talks about how a collector traffic volumes are up to eight thousand and then at the same time the local is a thousand right you can see that highlighted what I want to show is like on the next page should have cross-sections the top right and I know it's hard to see the top right is a collector and it's 30 feet 36 feet wide the bottom left is also a local two different classifications right one is eight thousand one is one thousand but to someone driving this it's the same 36 feet in width so what we wanted to do is we don't want to have that confusion with drivers we're trying to add the mitigations to the west to slow the streets down create friction we added chokers mini roundabouts traffic circles we've also added sidewalks but I which I really believe makes it have a more neighborhood feel if I could just really quickly conclude with slide number 54. you could jump to slide 54 for us oh wait if we stop on one of these really quick so if you look at these very closely what the the purple route is saying going through the neighborhood the blue route is taking the arterial roadways it if you can see on these you will see traffic mitigation all those dots the green the purple the blue those are additional traffic mitigations we put along the way to really create that friction to slow traffic down on those routes really making the fastest route taking Central jumping to 54 if we can [Music] it's the I think it's the last that's okay just speak to it okay so we have a quote that is uh by fhwa and basically it supports that it says quote a traffic coming measure can cause a reduction in average vehicle speed or in the range of speeds observed the speed reduction could result in a shift of traffic from the roadway that is our goal we have implemented these traffic measures in the hopes of of encouraging folks to take Central so I think we're we're on the exact same page thank you so what I understand what I am understanding hearing is that there are a number of traffic litigations that have been placed throughout the neighborhood yes not just the West it's been throughout the whole neighborhood there's been traffic calming pieces uh Madame mayor councilwoman Pastor that is absolutely correct and that um because Josh and I talked about this this morning um because uh I received Jeremy's uh email from yesterday um or this morning uh regarding going through the neighborhood but actually we were talking I don't have the diagram but when they come out you're it's it's you automatically have to go right again Madame mayor councilman Pastor there is a stipulation in here that requires everyone on tourney to be only right in and right out so anyone leaving the development would have to leave either on tourney on Central Avenue or to come South to Glenrosa where this there's a signalized intersection and I think Jamie's point was we've also added so much traffic mitigation throughout the overall neighborhood that even further reduces the likelihood of anyone intending to cut through the neighborhood traffic and certainly councilman O'Brien adding more streets into the neighborhood it just stands to reason creates more traffic into the neighborhood by reducing the streets by pushing it towards Central by adding all of this mitigation we have really minimized traffic into the neighborhood yeah thank you any com additional questions all right we will now go to Citizen comment we'll begin with Ed Hermes followed by Jennifer Garrett thank you so much Madam mayor I appreciate it uh members of the city council my name is Ed Hermes I am the President of the Carnation neighborhood association this is the neighborhood in which this development is located I live at 212 West Montecito in Phoenix I live as close to this development as you possibly can get you saw my house on many of those slides because you can't take a picture of the development without seeing my my house or been trying to keep it tidy for those uh pictures to be taken um we have worked with this developer and with the city of Phoenix for the last uh 16 months or more on this Development I've been in in more meetings about this development than I can count and it's been the topic of the neighborhood since I moved in almost 10 years ago and since I joined the Carnation neighborhood association board about seven years ago and I will say first of all kudos to the planning and zoning department and to Josh specifically and his staff for working with us and coming down on our level as a neighborhood Josh Josh and I and other members of of the community and his staff we walked the neighborhood talking about this development these stipulations were were very thoughtfully put together and negotiated and going through each one of these streets each one of these parts of the neighborhood and so I appreciate all of what city staff has done to help help put that together now this plan has come through a lot of permutations and in the beginning there was a lot of consternation a lot of concern from the neighborhood about it but through these positive stipulations many of which came at the very end right before the Encanto Village planning committee especially new sidewalks for the neighborhood roundabouts traffic mitigation we as a carnation neighborhood association do support this development we want to see more housing in our community we want to see more activation along Central we didn't want to be a not in my backyard type of neighborhood we wanted to welcome it with these important stipulations in place so thank you so much Jennifer is next followed by Mark good afternoon mayor vice mayor council my name is Jennifer Garrett and I'm a homeowner at the intersection of Third Avenue and Glenrosa along the Sonoran Bikeway and on the adjacent block to the subject property I'm here today to speak in support of the proposed rezoning application contingent on the incorporation of the stipulations that have been developed with the support of the neighborhood specifically stipulation item number 36 the traffic mitigation measures stipulation 36 as proposed pending a petition of support from the neighborhood would require the developer to work together with the traffic services division to install outline traffic calming measures the developer would be responsible for funding and constructing the measures because the applicant is seeking to rezone to the walkable Urban code it is critical that the city views this proposal as part of a whole neighborhood rather than an isolated island of development stipulation 36 proposes measures that would offset the increased traffic that companies the proposed edition of over a thousand new residential units it would add sidewalks it would introduce safe walking conditions for the connecting streets it would add neck Downs to slow flow directly adjacent to the property and it would introduce traffic calming circles at select intersections along Third Avenue including my intersection Third Avenue in Glenrosa along this stretch Third Avenue is filled with cyclists Runners and families enjoying the neighborhood however I have witnessed multiple instances of cars failing to stop or even yield at the intersection cars regularly flying over the speed bumps north of the intersection and two weeks ago I witnessed a collision there to our South the Encanto neighborhood has done a beautiful job of introducing traffic calming measures there is a traffic calming Circle at Third Avenue in Encanto that provides a precedative for the kind of improvements we need along the Sonoran Bikeway for the safety and enjoyment of our citizens with third Avenue's large expansive blacktop at its intersection a traffic calming Circle also offers an opportunity to introduce landscape and shade both critical components of mitigating the heat island effect in Phoenix thank you thank you Mark is next followed by David good afternoon mayor and council members my name is Mark Thomas I have a house at 339 West Glenrosa I rode by bike to the train today and took the train down here and I'm looking for more and more opportunities to not have to get in my car uh and that's why I bought a home where I bought my home right so I'm encouraged with the off-site work that you're doing that you're recommending for the project I think that I would like to see more and more off-site work that making the neighborhood more desirable it would be really crazy for people in this development to get in their car and drive down Glenrosa to 7th Avenue when it's a five minute walk or a two minute bike ride it would be really crazy so I'm in agreement with most of the comments that have been made I wanted to make one quick comment and that is the notion of this writing right out on a 36 foot Street seems like it's not super enforceable to me seems like people are going to go whatever Direction they want so that's kind of a question typically what you would do for write in write out that you didn't don't want to enforce with police cars is build a median which I don't think is desirable on these streets so just a question on how we're going to make those right in write out accesses function thank you thank you and we will pause briefly before we go to our next speaker for councilwoman pastor so Josh could you please explain that because that's exactly what I asked this morning um people forget I'm a neighborhood girl and uh traffic is probably my number one piece in uh building the uh and development and I ask all these questions regarding the traffic and in and out and Flow so mayor councilwoman pastor when the project proceeds forward through the site development process one of the aspects of our review will be the proposed private access private access way Network and the the corresponding driveways in this case there's a stipulation for that driveway on tourney to only be right in right out and so what the developer will be required to demonstrate is is the design of that traffic measure done in a way to facilitate that traffic movement and one of the considerations that staff also evaluate is what's going on in turning on the street today if you're familiar with that street it's a common place for on-street parking especially if you're going to the restaurant just to the north uh they'll they'll look at the the turning radius and whether or not uh a left turn in that configuration could actually happen so the full intent of our more detailed analysis as it comes in is to make sure that that design is set up to facilitate the right in right out movement then answer your question okay we'll get Kini to talk to you about it thank you we'll go next to David and then we'll go to Virtual and see if we can't get audio for Brent Kleinman yeah my name is David Wimberley I don't actually live in the Carnation neighborhood but uh a lot of you have probably uh been there before I do own a restaurant called The Georgian Dragon it is on the corner of Glenrosa and Central Avenue and for 28 years I've been looking at that land and there's been an eyesore I actually just did a mural to lighten up the street on the side of my restaurant last year but I'm for this because I think it's going to make the neighborhood a lot prettier than what it is right now it will help I think make the property value go up and as a um as a business owner I'm looking forward to 1500 new customers so as far as I'm concerned I'm for it thanks foreign to Brent oh yes hello we can hear you this time I apologize for the Mix-Ups with the earlier items but thank you very much for allowing me to speak on this as a member of the Encanto Village planning committee I've dealt with a number of lawyers and projects that have happened on Central and around central over the past I want to say six years and I have to say to um Petrie this is one of the best negotiated and worked out projects I think I've ever seen they realized that they had to come to the table and meet some expectations of carnation of Central Avenue of the the community as a whole and they were willing to make those adjustments and and work with people um the initial design I believe had 10 000 square feet of retail um today's project in front of you has 25 000 square feet of retail and that is fantastic for Central Avenue being right there at the stop being immediately north of George and dragon being able to Parlay that business into creating that walkable urban area they are doing everything right and the traffic mitigation that they've proposed going nearly the 7th Avenue in making these adjustments and creation to keep traffic to Central Avenue is really Second To None I mean they could have stopped a block outside of their development and that would have been sufficient but they said we want to be partners with Carnation and we're gonna do things from top to bottom east to west and it's been phenomenal C it's a project that gets should get supported and should we get all of your votes in it to those that are I I don't understand how you can see anything better than this the only thing I would ask of Petrie is to figure out a way to build all four buildings at once and it doesn't take Ten Years thank you very much thank you that concludes the public hearing councilwoman pastor thank you um I'm going to talk about the Central Avenue Corridor and the Central Avenue Corridor in Midtown and Uptown the dod district is a special place as Kent said this this will be the iconic Street but what I'm very proud of is the changes of the corridor has seen as a revitalization of Park Central Mall with Creighton Medical School to the expansion of U-Haul headquarters campus near Roanoke Avenue just south of Thomas Road and I'm also excited about the upcoming Investments for affordable housing near Columbus Avenue and other housing opportunities recently approved within the corridor as stated earlier this case was first filed March of 2022 and it was clear at that time that the applicant needed to take their time and work for the community with the community because I do that any project they have to work with the community neighborhood meetings were held by my office in early 2023 I hosted Community discussions about Uptown Tod Corridor this past summer the themes we heard at the discussion were desired for mixed-use development better designed for project especially adjacent to streets calls for projects to better connect to the surrounding neighborhoods while these discussions are ongoing I had I was adamant that many of these things be placed in this project the case before us today has the support of the Encanto Village planning committee in July the Planning Commission in August and the Carnation neighborhood association who is affected by it consideration of this request comes with more than 46 stipulations so that demonstrates all the work that came in here highlights of those stipulations include All Phases of the development along Central Avenue will be required to be heard through the public hearing process with feedback from the community and a recommendation from encano VPC this ensures that the community will have a voice on how the development will be designed how the future phases will provide the right mix of destination Services open space and housing project will have detached sidewalks shade trees along all of its internal and perimeter streets ensuring multiple safe and inviting ways for pedestrians to walk through the project the planned open space and art installation will provide for an amenity along the Project's Western Edge and enhance the transition into carnation's neighborhood as stipulated the developer will be required to provide a significant amount of traffic infrastructure and coordination with the car Nation neighborhood including traffic calming at six neighborhood intersections round about at two neighborhood intersections sidewalks on Glenrosa and tourney west of the subject site dip 19 is very important because it requires City to review and improve internal vehicular vehicular and pedestrian plan very important because we had talked about the other plan that was presented earlier compliance with that stiff will be required with each phase of the plan so each phase there's four phases it will be required in response to the community's desire to see commercial uses services and destinations I instructed staff to raise the minimum amount of commercials square footage that will that will be part of the submittals as you had heard it was originally 10 it's now 25 000 square feet and I heard the community because these were some recommendations by the ones that presented today I also wanted to ensure that Montecito Avenue and First Avenue were inviting and a safe public space that for the community into the development as such I instructed staff to increase the amount of landscaping and the minimum width of sidewalks on both sides of these streets so my motion I am grateful for all the work the community and the development team has done this is much more there is more much much more to come further phases of this project will require future public review and collaboration the Central Avenue Corridor and the Midtown and Uptown Tod districts are not even close having their stories told we still have a lot of work to do and I am committed to bringing all the city departments and Community together to make it happen now we skipped public comments on that did we skip public comments and you did comment s yep Roger Washington yes O'Brien yes Pastor yes Robinson Stark yes Waring I'm sorry yes Gallego yes passes 9-0 thank you with that we have approved 1890 housing units today and we move on to item 69 accessory dwelling units which will be another opportunity for us to move forward with the city's commitment to make affordable housing available in the city of Phoenix we will begin with a brief staff report we have at the podium our planning director as well as Trish our acting deputy director who I believe will start us off today thank you mayor mayor thank you members of the council we're here to present ta 5-23 which is a Texas amendment to allow accessory dwelling units the purpose of this text amendment is to respond to the housing Phoenix plan and expand the housing options within the city Mr Christopher De perro is going to walk through the proposed language uh excuse me thank you very much mayor and members of the council I'll do a quick walkthrough of this um I'd like to start off with what exactly an accessory so what exactly does an accessory dwelling unit um how exactly would be permitted the text amendment allows 180 per lot in addition to a primary single-family dwelling unit it is a single family detached dwelling unit that is required to have this permission it's not permitted for multi-family or other types of development uh the text cement also defines a duplex and a Triplex to make clear distinctions from a dwelling unit um sorry from an accessory dwelling unit to make sure that we're not having any arguments or debate over exactly what a duplex is um somebody wants called an Adu it increases lot coverage for an 80 in most districts because in Phoenix many of the Lots we have are already sort of covered with the maximum percentage they can so we want to make sure this was possible it also revises the rear yard projection rules to allow adus and other projections further into the rear yard but with a 15 foot height limitation unless a use permit is obtained the the idea here was that it mimics existing Provisions we have in the ordinance for detached accessory structures and lastly fix as many references to guest house and other revised sections of ordinance to make adus actually possible so in terms of things directly related to development standards to adus the first main item is that no Adu would be permitted to be larger than 75 percent of the size of the primary dwelling on the site and for smaller Lots the standard ones in the City Phoenix 10 000 square feet or less the maximum would be one thousand square feet as the Lots get larger it would actually permit a total cap of 3 000 square feet but you're still going to be limited to 10 percent of the net lot area whichever is less so just to run that by it's always a maximum 75 percent if you're under 10 000 square feet there's also a cap of a thousand if you're over ten thousand square feet you get as much as 10 percent of the net lot area but no more than three thousand any circumstance the maximum height as I mentioned before is 15 foot if in the required rear yard setback but if you were to build it within the area where you could build a main house a primary dwelling unit the height would apply just as it would for a main house and additional parking is not required for the Adu where this went at Village planning communities we'd had five that recommended approval for the staff recommendation six recommended approval with modifications three recommended denial one did not have a quorum Planning Commission however did vote to recommend approval for the staff recommendation by an 8-0 vote and staff recommendation to council is approval for the September 6 2023 Memo from the PDD director and Adoption of the related ordinance thank you very much thank you councilwoman Stark thank you mayor um I first off I want to thank staff for all the work they did I I know we started a dialogue in 2019 about an affordable housing and then I think that's when you were first our mayor and that was one of our study sessions and or policy sessions and in 2020 we adopted the Phoenix housing plan and we were moving forward on some of these text amendments but lo and behold we had a little issue called the pandemic and so I know the staff was a little redirected in what they were doing but in that document it talked a lot about different zoning fixes that we can do which did include adus but it talked about others and I know you guys are working on those and pursuing them and I think we can do a lot of wonderful things for affordable housing the one concern I've always had with the accessory dwelling units is the issue of short-term rental um I actually today was at our state conference for the Arizona chapter of the American Planning Association and something I heard from quite a few planners is the issue of short-term rentals and in some cities the affordability has really become an issue for example Sedona I I think I could safely say that a lot of the city employees that work for Sedona probably can't afford to live in Sedona and so I I think the biggest concern I had with the accessory dwelling units was the issue of short-term rental and so we've had a discussion among staff about that and I think they've actually amended some language to incorporate that because we really want to get at the issue of providing affordable housing then I think we need to make our adus affordable and so I appreciate everything you've done as a matter of fact I think last year in the legislature as they were working on a particular bill that became a big issue and I want to thank the legislature because they were trying to address short-term rentals with regards to the accessory dwelling units so I am very excited to say I think we need to get moving forward with our accessory dwelling units as long as we know that we're using them for affordable housing and up for short-term rental and mayor I'm happy to make a motion at any time but I I know we have other Council people that may want to talk and I know we have quite a lot of audience out that want to testify as well wonderful do we have a second she didn't make a motion to get a second you want to make motion yeah all right okay well I'll be happy to so I am going to move to approve for the September 6th 2023 Memo from the planning and development director and adopt the related ordinance second we have a motion in a second and I'll turn to our team in a moment to explain some of the changes that's been happening but just by way of background the whole council's been working on this and this is a real priority but councilwoman Stark and Pastor have been particularly focused on some of the short-term rental related issues and and looking for a way to make sure that these accessory dwelling units as much as possible become housing units we're very focused on making the City of Phoenix a great affordable place to live We believe everyone deserves a place to call home and this is one of many things that we've been doing at the City of Phoenix we looked at all our land and put it up for affordable housing we have looked at ways to incentivize both nonprofits and private sector developers we've started a land trust we've done several public private Partnerships this is one of many things we are doing to make sure that we have a good housing stock for our residents because it's a real priority for the City of Phoenix and it's exciting that we are moving forward with this as councilwoman Stark mentioned it has now been a few years since we passed the housing Phoenix plan and one of the policy options the council voted to support at that time was affordable was accessory dwelling units but we've been talking to neighbors a lot and those meetings continued to make sure we thought through the policy and we'll continue to get feedback today but I personally am excited that this one is moving forward and hope that more people will have a great place to call home we'll be able to add housing within the existing footprint of the City of Phoenix as opposed to expanding boundaries and so that is valuable from a sustainability perspective and in some cases it'll mean that family members can be closer to each other as well so we can have a better housing Supply and and maintain the things that we really appreciate about about our unique neighborhoods councilman Pastor did you have a comment I just want to say that as councilwoman Stark stated this this has been going uh conversation since 2019 and several of our plans I do want to say that adus came out in my subcommittee it was a ede it was I was the chair and worked closely with Planning and Development to be able to bring adus to the Forefront along with short-term rental uh the two were supposed to move simultaneously and hand in hand but we have we will vote on a continuation so then what ended up happening and worked very closely all summer uh was Josh on language and Trish and uh Chris uh and to talk about what does that look like and how do we roll it out and how to what do we do the other piece was then as we got uh emails from our short-term rental Advocates or our neighborhood Advocates saying hey hey this is moving very fast we haven't had a chance to say anything we really we think this is going to become something different it's not going to become affordable we've heard them we have worked all all day yesterday all night and all day this morning to get that memo and the language correct and so I just want to thank councilwoman Stark and her network for helping us and getting us to where we needed to get to today and those that have worked on it but I can tell you uh it was many that worked on this and not One Singular person so I just want to put that out there thank you wonderful thank you to both of you for working on this and before we go to staff to explain what we are doing we'll go to councilwoman guardado thank you mayor yes I also will be supporting this item today um like councilwoman Stark and councilwoman Pastor just said it's something that we've been talking about for a very long time 2019 um and as we continue to address our housing affordability crisis I think it's important to have many tools and be creative on how we get everyone housed and how is it that we are able to give those opportunities to everyone to everyone in the city legalizing adus is one way to create quick and affordable housing options especially for our young people and our old older residents in my district many families live with their older relatives in that style of integration living will be supported with this ordinance we see it every day we see how families continue to live together I think this housing crisis and how it runs have skyrocketed have made more families come together so I think it's important that we give people that opportunity to be able to live in one of these units and feel independent again I appreciate the improvements to the ordinance that have been made to ensure we continue to protect our residents from the negative impacts of short-term rentals we have heard a lot about short-term rentals at least since I've been on console and and we understand that and we hear you guys and I'm excited that we were able to make the changes to be able um to deal with that challenge Phoenix needs more housing not short-term not short-term hotels in our neighborhoods and this language will create important safeguards to make sure that it's a reality and I am excited and happy to finally be able to pass something like this and be able to support this thank you mayor thank you so we'll go first to staff to explain the memo and then we'll go to vice mayor and sorry who's also been working very hard on this thank you mayor members of the council the memory you had before you that was distributed shortly before the meeting adds a new provision or updates section subsection number 10 to add language that prohibits the utilization of an Adu with something that requires a permit from chapter 10 of the city code that the chapter 10 code which councilwoman Pastor referenced uh will be an upcoming action for the Council on September 20th is short-term rental so what the provision effectively says is adus cannot be used for short-term rental thank you any additional comments vice mayor thank you mayor I just want to join um colleagues and saying how proud I am to support this text Amendment as was mentioned this has been a topic of discussion for quite some time and I believe it's extremely low hanging fruit to help address our housing crisis I do really really want to thank Josh and the entire planning and development team for continually responding for our requests on timeline on pushing this forward I think um you know as has been stated this this was a key part of the housing Phoenix plan and and it's great that we are moving forward on it and I appreciate their understanding of the urgency and finding solutions to any potential issues that have been brought up and I think this this revised memo is is one of those allowing Casitas to be built in neighborhoods with single detached homes provides the opportunity to provide thousands of new more affordable homes to Phoenix residents and gives many working and middle-income families in my district and some of the others the opportunity to receive additional income and keep their families close with generational Living Spaces accessory dwelling units were allowed for a long time in Phoenix and very glad to be supporting them again and the few areas where Casitas were once legal or still are these backyard homes are currently being used to house aging parents and adult children and with older adults increasingly falling into homelessness re-legalizing ads throughout the city is one way that we can ensure that older adults can age with dignity and surrounded by loved ones this is just a small piece of the puzzle when it comes to providing much needed affordable housing but a very very necessary one and I very much look forward to providing more solutions before the year is out thank you councilwoman O'Brien thank you mayor I have heard from some of my community members regarding this item and they have concerns about short-term rentals as well as well as design standards for those who live in communities with HOAs Julie can you tell talk a little bit about the city ordinance as it would relate to HOA compliance yes mayor and Council so HOA rules are covered under Arizona revised statutes so this would not impact the ability of those communities for their covenants to have those types of restrictions if they choose to so those hois will sorry the HOAs will be able to maintain local control over their communities and what is built and how it is built mayor and Council that is correct under the current ordinance and in some communities um that were built many years ago short-term rentals were not even an idea then so if their ccnrs don't cover short-term rentals are they still able to exercise control over the accessory dwelling units mayor and Council that is correct they they could still go through their process whatever that process is for the HOA to update their Covenants okay all right thank you very much Julie I appreciate it I want to thank staff very much for the hard work that you did in a very short period of time getting out to all of our Villages I am happy to support this item today because it does two things it still maintains local control where we have HOAs with ccrs but we also give Property Owners the opportunity to have an accessory dwelling unit a casita an in-law suite on their property and improves the number of housing hopefully we will have whether that is for it to be a long-term rental or generational multi-generational living so thank you again for all your work thank you mayor councilman Robinson thank you mayor you know I I don't want to belabor the point but I know a lot of what everybody has said is pretty much why I've been dealing with within my Council district and my staff has been diligent about getting back to folks and getting to the answers getting to or getting an answer back to folks that we're asking but if I could Josh if I can ask you or someone on your staff to just speak to a little bit about what Flagstaff has experienced simply because you know I they've been through this and you know folks have were worried about what might happen or what could happen and like everyone has said the information's been put forward and the memo really covers everything and I'm really grateful for that but could we speak to a little bit about flagstaff's history the best you can mayor councilman Robinson Mr dupero did a significant amount of research and did reach out to Flagstaff to better understand their ordinance I think Chris can speak to how our ordinance compares to the Flagstaff ordinance I don't think we got a ton of information from Flagstaff about how they're how they're implementing it and where their successes are but I'll let Chris talk about how our ordinance compares to flagstaffs thank you uh thank you mayor and uh excuse me councilman Robinson I did reach out to Flagstaff I actually spoke I left a message for the planning manager this is some weeks back and who was out of the office and said please contact the planning the community development director apparently I didn't rate high enough to get calls back so I did not get to actually speak to either of them directly what I can tell you about flagstaff's ordinance is that Flagstaff does have Provisions for covenants on the property and that was one thing we had considered for a while so flagstaff's ordinance does have a thing that says that if you would like to have an Adu that you have to record a covenant that says that you either own or occupy one of the units either the primary dwelling unit or the accessory dwelling unit or you have to rent them both together without further subleasing so basically it was saying that if you want to put an Adu you can't do it to just rent separately from the property unless you own or occupy one of them they also have a rental incentive for long-term rentals that says that if you wish to rent the two different units on the property separately if you have a further Covenant that says you will not rent it for anything less than 31 days that you can rent them separately so their ordinance does read that way um ours is a little bit different in terms of what's proposed by the memo it just simply is an outright you may not use an Adu for short-term rental it's a little simpler to be honest with you wonderful thank you councilman Hunter Washington one of the benefits of going after everybody else is they get all they get to say whatever things they did so I too am a supporter of the accessory dwelling units I think it provides uh much needed benefit it's no surprise to those that know me I believe in an increase in our housing stock is one of the ways that we do address the problems that we see right now at our Market rates as well as we have a growing unsheltered population and we do that by providing spaces for those individuals to live I wanted to my question just piggybacks off of councilman Robinsons when you talk about the covenants that the ordinance will provide who one of the questions that my constituents has is who will be responsible for the enforcement of those Covenants mayor in councilman Washington Hodge Washington excuse me um the current memo actually replaces the Covenant language that we had originally proposed with the simple prohibition on the use of an Adu as a short-term rental therefore there would be no Covenant enforcement under the current version of the ordinance that we've submitted and I guess I should say it a little different what would be the enforcement mechanism if someone were to be found to be using the Adu as a short-term rental mayor members of the mayor members of the council councilwoman Hodge Washington it would be seen as a violation of the zoning ordinance and all violations of the zoning ordinance are generally addressed and administered and enforced by our neighborhood services department so a complaint could be would be filed and an investigation would be done potentially noted violation and violation issued and that would proceed through the normal review process and enforcement process administered by NSD thank you for that clarification because like I said that was one of the concerns they had is whether or not the community would be the ones entrusted to enforce that neighbors against neighbors so I too am supportive of the accessory dwelling units ordinance because it provides additional opportunities for housing for especially we'll see I anticipate we'll see it in more co-generational live-in spaces as well as for students and it just frees up our our more market market rate premise units for those that need it more so I am looking forward to supporting it thank you any additional comments before we go to public comment yeah councilman Stark um just as a point of clarification if this does pass as we do with various different types of Permitting you will put together a checklist to help people walk through it they may explain further the ccnr's issue if there's historic preservation of their so just to help people out as they go through our our permitting process I I'm assuming you're going to do that I just like to hear that on the record mayor councilwoman star Capital report we've already started okay thank you excellent and I think we'd also talked about councilman Hodge Washington and other colleagues want to make sure we keep track of how many are built so we can understand all of the tools we have and what impact they're having on our housing Supply which will also help us make better public policy thank you mayor yes I think it's important for us to keep a metric of how the adus are actually being utilized in our communities councilman Waring thank you mayor um I don't mean to be a wet blanket but we obviously have a short-term rental issue right now and part of the issue is we don't have an army of police officers or Neighborhood Services or anything else to go address the issues as they pop up um we have enough problems picking up sharp shopping carts in some kind of timely fashion and part of that's just problems that a lot of big businesses are having hiring but I mean realistically I've personally had experiences where residents have called me and said for example somebody's living in a camper on this property you're not supposed to be doing that so we dutifully send out investigators to check but if nobody pops out of the camper while they're there nothing ever happens and then a couple days later the neighbor's like well here's a video of the person coming out of the camper of course you can't really prove the person's living in the camper and so forth what Assurance is what I have that enforcing all this is going to be different because this is going to be a lot more widespread there's a lot of moving parts and I I just I'm afraid if people cheat we're not really going to be able to do anything about it and that does come up people don't sign up for short the short-term rental list we really only find out about it until there's gunfire or something I mean we're not going to appear into people's homes we just had a situation a week ago and just within walking distance of my house where somebody apparently built a Sports Court in 2019 of course it's in the backyard so the city didn't know that person sold the property to somebody else the woman wanted to put up a scoreboard next to her sport court and were like what sport court and then she got dinged for it she's not the one who built it but you see what I'm saying I mean it just at some point we don't know what's going on kind of behind the scenes we don't check every construction site unless we know that it's there so can you address some of that and give me some satisfaction that this isn't going to be a mess mayor councilman wearing what I would say in this instance as we look to create a regulatory framework to allow adus one of our upcoming conversations with you will be about the permitting framework for short-term rental and and as if you said you see an opportunity there for part of what we feel that this updated ordinance does it provides a more linear way for us as if somebody comes in to see us to not only get a permit for an Adu they have to come get us ultimately have to come get a permit for us from a short-term rental and so one of the opportunities we have is part of that process as we look to issue them the permit for their short-term rental is making sure that the site's properly zoned that they're in the right structure in this case one of the checklist items that we'll be evaluating is someone who applies for a short-term rental is are you an Adu if you're not if you are if you're proposing to do that we wouldn't issue them the permit because it doesn't meet the zoning standards I certainly acknowledge and I'll probably let our Deputy city manager Alan Stevens talk a little bit about some of the some of the the new rules that this will require us to enforce but I think we've set it up and have a couple of Provisions in place through the clarity and where this is allowed and the permit ultimately that a short-term rental will be required to secure to get ahead of those problems thank you Josh uh mayor and councilman Waring uh just to add a little bit of additional information there the proposed memo today also has an effective date of this ordinance that would be November 6 to coincide with the discussion that we intend to have with you on September 20th regarding the short-term rental ordinance and so taking the two of them kind of of hand in hand and becoming effective at the same time those will help us be able to enforce within adus what is happening to ensure that the ordinance as as written and proposed and as hopefully the the council will approve here is something that we can enforce because that city code Amendment does require a permit and a renewal on an annual basis of that permit so that we can monitor some of those things that are happening the other side of that that we are working with is some third-party vendors to help help us on location of ones that are advertising and where those are at so that we can have some more proactive enforcement so that it's not just neighbors that are you know relaying information to you we will be working with them as we are are implementing that ordinance and this to ensure that we can do a better job of trying to address some of these concerns because we've heard from many of you that this is a significant issue to your constituents yeah and maybe uh mayor Allen perhaps more in District Two I think that was reflected in about a couple of The Villages about this I suspect that was what may be behind their negative vote I just we've talked about the bill that the state legislature passed and you know I think you and I have concluded it doesn't have a lot of teeth regarding the short-term rentals um so I'm not necessarily sure that that the problem is going to be solved anywhere you know I'm not saying this is necessarily adding much to it but you know that's a different conversation for I think you said September 20th we were going to do it today um but we we have definitely sent out in my time investigators about illegal businesses I mean there was one the person was advertising a they were teaching volleyball and the volleyballs in the backyard of this cul-de-sac we're driving their neighbors nuts so their neighbors complained yep there was an advertisement but as I recall they our guys sat out there for a long time couldn't actually see it they saw people coming and going look like they were probably getting ready to play volleyball they couldn't see it I I seem to remember there wasn't a whole lot we could do if you're not actually like witnessing the activity the camper thing I mean that's come up before but there was a recent one just in the last couple weeks about that the neighbor was Furious because we could never really prove that someone was living in there you can't stake it out 24 7. if the neighbor sends in video that doesn't really count because it could be cobbled together who knows when they took it whatever or somebody just left one time from the camper maybe they just went in and out it's hard to say I just I could see enforcement being kind of tough um Honestly though I am at the same time sympathetic as a guy whose father lived with them for five and a half years so I certainly understand you know the people who uh had constituents contact me about that who want to build a place for their parents I will also say if you look at this in terms of I'm going to build something on my property or work on my property and the interior affordable it is not necessarily so just know that this could be an extremely expensive affordable housing Endeavor if you choose to go down that path we were able to make it work by moving around in bedrooms and stuff but it's not for the pain of heart either just I appreciate you answering my questions and again I don't mean to be a black guy I the goal is meritorious um but I am concerned we're kind of having trouble enforcing the rules that we have today much less adding other stuff onto it so I just want buyer beware so thank you thank you mayor mayor and councilman Waring you you are correct that I don't want to have you know the council suspect that the upcoming city code amendment is going to be uh you know a Panacea to address neighborhood concerns about short-term rentals with the the preemption language that is in-state statute it is going to continue to be a difficult issue to enforce um like many laws that the the council passes if you have someone who is uh you know really wants to to break the rules uh you know they will will find a way to do that and at some point you're balancing what rules you you can apply and be reasonable against the good actors versus trying to uh come up with lots of things that are really going to only cause the good actors to have have more challenges and those who are going to circumvent are going to continue to to do that and we will continue at all of your guidance to do the best that we can in terms of of trying to monitor the short-term rentals within neighborhoods because that's what you've all tasked us to do but we are still going to have that challenge going forward and our neighborhood services department has worked really hard to try and do what they can with the enforcement but it is difficult as you point out and mayor if I may in a discussions with you I think we're going to do all we can about short-term rentals but I'm not convinced that that's going to change the dynamic a whole lot conversely though I'm not convinced what we're talking about doing today is going to necessarily make the situation worse because I think it's already kind of reached a critical mass as it is if you want to be renting this a house out I think you're probably already doing it whether you signed up for our list or not um I have one next to me they threw a big party I had the amusing uh that wasn't quite so amusing at the time because I scared the heck out of my son who must have thought I murdered somebody Phoenix officers banging at my door 11 o'clock at night to tell me that they'd arrested four people escaping from the party from the BNB next door to me in my yard and did I want to press charges I didn't what are you going to do um but uh uh word to the wise if you're in high school and you're that slow and our guys can track you down in somebody else's yard maybe you should just stay home but that's just another one of those helpful hints I like to throw out as an old guy but um so I'm sympathetic to all this I don't know that this is going to make that situa the situation any different I don't know that like oh maybe I could build an extra Casita or something now I'm going to do a short-term rental I'm not convinced that's the way this is going to work but I want to be cognizant of the fact that that Neighbors in my area are absolutely concerned about making a already kind of bad situation worse so um I am sort of weighing those two things but I appreciate uh you're always great about giving uh you know really honest assessments and I appreciate that very much thank you thank you councilman so I think we as a city will be going to the Arizona legislature and talking about opportunities to improve in the regulation of short-term rental I cannot decide after councilman waring's story if he should be our lead a lobbyist or not but uh since we've discussed the Arizona League of cities at this meeting that group of more than I think it's 91 cities and towns is United and asking the legislature to address short-term rentals and and provide more tools and oversight with that we have some Arizona legislators here among others to testify so let's get started on opening the public hearing we have about I would guess 40 to 50 minutes of comments from the public we will begin with Senator Anna Hernandez followed by representative annalize Ortiz Anna Hernandez lifelong Phoenix resident mayor and Council thank you for bringing this to a vote very quickly I am here to voice support for this ordinance I think that this is a very critical first step into bringing some relief to the housing crisis as some of the other council members said specifically member uh council member guardado in our area multi-general living multi-general generational families are a real thing that we do so I think having the option to build Casitas in their backyards would be super super helpful to the families out in our area we know that there are concerns we hear the concerns around the short-term rental issue we are going to be working on that um but I think that that outweighs the positives outweigh those concerns people are looking to house either their parents a college student and I think this is a step in the right direction to really really address the housing crisis in such a time that we're seeing right now you know it's a it's multi multiple crisis is happening at one time between our housing crisis our climate crisis and I think at the end of the day it's so important just to get people housed and how quickly can we do that and I think that this is the perfect step for the city to do and to move so quickly to make sure that we can bring relief to the citizens of Phoenix so again I fully support this amendment I know that the amendment for parking was going to be discussed but it's going to be continued I would also share that I am supportive of that Amendment as well so I'll probably pop I've been a following council meeting but for today thank you so much for the support for passing the Adu text amendments hopefully soon thank you representative Ortiz followed by Neil Haddad hi mayor and Council I'm representative Analise Ortiz I have the honor of representing the people of West Phoenix I overlap with Council District 5 7 and 4. I want to thank um all of you for bringing this forward this is the exact kind of bold leadership that we really need to see from our city leaders to address the housing shortage we according to the Department of Housing are short 270 000 housing units Statewide and we know that we need to use every tool at our disposal to bring more units online and I really want folks to remember that when we are talking about housing units we are talking about families who will have a roof over their head that they may have not been able to afford before so this is really what we need to be seeing um when it comes to the short-term rentals and other harmful pieces of legislation that we have seen in the past that have you know hurt your ability to uh regulate short-term rentals we are committed to finding bipartisan solutions to overturn that preemption as well as the preemption on inclusionary zoning so please know that you have people in the state legislature who want to sit down and continue working on these Solutions together and on that note I was very much looking forward to the parking minimum reduction I had some really great conversations at The League conference and with the Housing Coalition around a non-profit affordable housing developers who really support reducing the parking requirements and I know the conversation is going to continue so I would love to provide any insight that you might need to potentially get that done later this year I think it's a really crucial step to reducing the cost of rent and addressing our housing shortage across the city of Phoenix thank you so much thank you Neil is next followed by Larry foreign and I'm here representing Arcadia Osborne neighborhood association my native neighborhood association and also the neighborhood Coalition of greater Phoenix so mayor and Council thank you so much for the opportunity to speak today I've learned a lot of things and I'm uh very thankful on behalf of all of us in the neighborhood Coalition a lot of the changes that have been made and brought forth today I learned a lot including that the district 2 councilman can be funny I thought it was great the joke before that was a joke come on yeah come on so um couple of things neighborhood Coalition has always been in favor of adus we think it can have a modest but really helpful influence on the housing stock in this city we are glad that you made those changes I want to salute um the neighborhood Coalition working group a group of about 15 citizens who have put in hundreds not not in hundreds of hours working on this to on both text amendments and really our starting point was to get people talking to each other so today you've addressed things like providing Clarity for HOAs and for historic preservation we always thought that that was important also addressed was the metric metrics how do we know if we're if this is working and then most of all the short-term rentals and without the restrictive government Covenant so we think that part of the zoning code makes it much better and so that we're not having neighbors fight neighbors so we're willing to work with City staff on trying to identify those problematic Adu areas if it happens so thank you appreciate it thank you Larry is next followed by Kieran hello mayor and city council Larry Weitzel the co-chair of the peak neighborhood association and one of those hard-working neighborhood Coalition of greater Phoenix core members it's a pleasure to be here today I would like for you to think of this TA in terms of good better best and the TA has proposed is good you just made it better by um accepting or hopefully accepting the proposed revision for the short-term rental restriction awesome thank you so much to staff and to those who worked on making that change now let's talk about making it better the thing that would make it better is to build in some protections for neighborhoods and that boils down to having some language about required parking adus whether they're used for short-term rentals or for other family members are going to increase the number of residents on a property and so some Provisions should be made for parking some consideration should be made the neighborhood Coalition has some language that we suggested in your packets that would address the parking issue and we would like for you to review that and consider adding that as an amendment there are also two new items that were never discussed at VPC they weren't on the VPC briefing sheets they were not discussed at the Planning Commission and I think you should be aware of it and it goes to councilman waring's concern about having people living in a camper in a backyard this um these changes are actually strike out strikethroughs that you would probably miss unless you read the strikethroughs they deal with chapter 5 Section 507 tab a so it's a very limited number of properties that would be affected but it still would affect some neighbors one of them is on page 996 of your packet the other one's on 997 if you would like for me to continue I will but I'd be happy to conclude thank you councilman bestor I'm trying to look at the strikeouts all right so I think that means Larry she would like you to does that mean I'll just wait she's okay okay sorry we're good then all right I'm sorry we're I think we're set okay sorry Ted F and H strike through F and H on Tab a 8.5 Karen is next followed by Ryan Boyd hello I'm Kieran Goff and I'm here in support of the text Amendment I'm here as a citizen but I study housing and Zoning policy in my day job as an assistant professor of practice and director of the applied Health policy Institute at U of A where I focus primarily on how the built environment impacts Health and Social connectedness so I want to speak from a policy standpoint we have a tremendous mismatch between supply and demand in housing and that's one cause of the affordability issues that we're also familiar with but that's not just a matter of how many overall units that we have but also the type of units thirty percent of U.S households have only one person so we know that our demographics don't match this nuclear Family Vision with the single family homes but the average house size in the U.S is 2 000 square feet so one way that I like to think about this is that we have quite a bit of empty space within existing houses and yards and adus allow people to allocate that space in more efficient ways provide more options at more price points especially in some of these desirable areas where a lot of people want to live um also allow families to live closer together options for Aging in place all these arguments that you've all heard uh so I just want to thank council members for supporting this important issue uh and uh feel free I often provide materials and answer questions about these types of things in my day job so feel free to reach out if there's any way that I can be of assistance in the future thank you Ryan is next followed by Paul okay good evening for the record uh Ryan Boyd with the urban Phoenix project at 1069 West Taylor Street here in happy support of the casitos text Amendment and really thankful to all those involved mayor of the different council members that have been deeply engaged in this the expertise of the staff and including the fact that it has been going through several revisions and the memo here is very nice because a lot of times we have these complicated uh fixes and it's nice to actually have something that you can describe in a single plain language sentence that really gets there and gets what we can do within the constraints of state law and that was one of our biggest challenges here by no means will Casitas be the Silver Bullet that solves the housing crisis let's just be honest about that no one's claiming that but it is something that if we can actually have a scenario where an individual can go through that expense which is a very large expense let's not be very joking here um but they can basically keep their multi-generational family there and have uh for instance if I could have my dad actually live with me but not be necessarily La in every single part of the same rooms as myself I would like to have some privacy um but I can't right now that's just not a legal option here so that's something that basically means that he doesn't have to go and find an apartment complex that basically competes with everyone else and there's a lot of these scenarios where we can try to get that basically space and try to free those options I mean one of the ironic things is when you talk about the stats and the other studies from the many cities that have legalized Casitas and legalized adus average rent ends up being zero because most people are just having these used to help out families that's the the big key situation here so very supportive of the presentation as staff has provided I would hate to further restrict these things there's a lot of well-intentioned ideas that sometimes make it so it's impossible to build Casitas and so really wanted to just hearken the at that this is a great step forward we've been behind for many of our peer cities for a long time but this finally put us at the front and at the leading side so thank you so much appreciate it thank you Paul is next followed by Susan hi Paul Davenport um I just want to say I joined Neil and Larry and complimenting you on your motion I hope you adopt it and I think it will alleviate many of my concerns I do want to join Larry in urging you to require dedicated parking for adus Susan is next followed by Jackie I'm stiff Susan Edwards president of the Arizona neighborhood alliance thank you thank you thank you thank you I worship you all because we have been living in Terror of this um I would I have a question will Str owners be able to get a building permit to build an Adu I don't want to eat at my time here while you're thinking on that but mayor members of the council again the way the ordinance is written if somebody's coming in for a permit for an Adu a permit for short-term rental we will not be itched the Adu itself cannot be used as this is written as a short-term run cannot be used but do they have to prove they're a resident and own the house or if I'm Joe doakes from Canada with an LLC uh you know can I come in and um and get a building permit members of the council I I think I'm following Miss Edwards there's nothing that would preclude you know someone that may or may not be associated with a short-term rental from securing a building permit from the from the planning and development process Department through through our processes but again if they were looking to secure a building permit for an Adu yes they could they just can't use the Adu as a short-term rental or as part of their shortcut they have somebody has to actually live there okay I would love to see the wording of all this but anyway we're so grateful remember of the 270 000 estimated housing short unit shortage in Arizona about 70 000 are short-term rentals these people mostly from out of state mostly corporations have come in and swallowed that up and they've driven prices up across the range a price range and we think it's led to more homelessness because it's you can't you can't fix housing without fixing short-term rentals thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you Jackie is next followed by Lucero um hello hello my name is Jackie Rich I'm the president of the Murphy Trail Estates neighborhood association and one of the people on the um neighborhood Coalition of greater Phoenix who has been spending my summer enjoying the Heat and trying to Grapple with this lengthy and complicated and very important text Amendment so I just have a few comments for you to consider before voting the first one is and I'm grappling with this a little bit you might want to consider delaying voting on this text Amendment until the ordinance regulating the short-term rentals has been passed this feels a little bit like doing the cart before the horse since what you would be passing would refer an ordinance that hasn't been passed yet so I just leave that for you to consider and I think following up on Susan's comment the main house could be used as a short-term rental just the Adu couldn't so the entire property could not be used as a short-term rental okay um I very much support councilman woman Stark's excellent recommendation that the Adu building permit application should have a checklist that includes zoning overlays historic preservation and special planning districts and any others and also ccrs I think this is a great idea and essential because the ordinance does not address overlays or ccrs so this would be the only place this is brought to their attention but most homeowners are probably not familiar with ccrs or overlays have no idea where to find them or what they are and so staff is just going to have to realize they're going to have to assist with doing that the last thing I want to mention is just [Music] adus have been described in the press as being a right and I'm very concerned that if you don't get ahead of messaging that adus with a permit can be built then you're going to be in trouble with a lot of really badly built things in people's backyards thank you thank you Lucero is next followed by Ed good afternoon everyone having worked as a social worker at unibom where family homeless shelters is triaged there's always a wait list therefore families resort to sleeping outside with children or separating Casitas would fill in this Gap by allowing families to stay together and be housed voting guests to legalize Casitas would be vital to an affordable housing strategy in the city of Phoenix and thank you for your support already enable also Casitas enable seniors to age in place without needing to move off their property and prevent our seniors from becoming homeless lastly the people of Maricopa County are in support of Casitas with a you gov poll from this year reflecting a 73 support for allowing owners to build Casitas this is a data-backed affordable solution for Phoenix benefiting all community members thank you thank you Ed Hermes is next followed by Emilio is Ed is Ed still with us yeah all right is Emilio with us yes and then Emilio is followed by Jeremy Thacker uh well good afternoon council members uh mayor I want to say thank you for your support with the adu's uh Amendment my name is Emilio I'm a resident out of D7 off of 91st and Lower Buckeye and anecdotally I just want to say that my earliest memories are from living at an Adu on my Tia Rosario's property back in 2003 I want to say um animation rest in peace we lost her yesterday but at the times my parents were in their early 20s new to our country without being able to speak the language here English the Adu made it possible for my parents to be able to save money to eventually afford buying a house out here in Phoenix adus give young families young people the elderly the ability to live affordably allowing them to save money if they choose whether you choose to see for a house car their education entirely up to the individual while this amendment again is just a bandage to a a far larger problem I can only ask that you guys pass this amendment thank you guys thank you Jeremy is next followed by Dinah is Jeremy with us Dinah or Dina thank you it's Dina my name is Dina Smith thank you for hearing what we have to say here today um I'm undecided I I can go either way on this item I see some benefits for sure with families being able to live close contact I don't think this is going to be affordable the cost of building is just so high that I think that's sort of unrealistic um one of the things that although one of our Representatives mentioned it that I never hear when we're talking about building all of this infill in the city is um no one ever talks about climate when we talk about this um so I Googled um heat island and the EPA defines it as structures such as buildings roads and other other infrastructure that absorb and re-emit the sun heat more the natural landscapes forests and water bodies so I feel sometimes like it depends on what your your purpose is that we place importance on our climate and so the sky is sometimes falling and sometimes it's not um so really that's my only the only point I want to make here is sometimes I feel like there's discrepancies we don't follow the same priorities on every every choice that we're looking at everything we want to every policy that we want to make thank you thank you I understand Ed is on Virtual public comments oh yes hi can you hear me okay we can hear you oh wonderful my apologies I wanted to stick around but I had to go pick my kids up um so I'll be brief and I just am here on behalf of it's Ed Hermes president of the Carnation Association of neighbors and here in support of the text amendment to legalize re-legalize adus uh it's very important a lot of residents here in the Carnation neighborhood would love to build adus for themselves for their family but right now just the amount of red tape and the difficulty they just can't and rather than reiterate some of the things that have already been said which I agree with those who spoke in favor of this just wanted to emphasize how important it is to pass this now not to wait but also to not impose any additional regulations or impediments to adu's I think I heard somebody mention uh requiring mandatory minimum parking requirements for Adu so that would be a very bad idea to do that because we need to if we want it to be affordable we've got to make it easy for residents to do this uh and cut down the red tape not add more onerous restrictions like parking requirements that we're trying to frankly get rid of hopefully in the next amount so thank you so much and I hope you vote Yes and pass this today thank you Mako is next followed by Christian hi good afternoon uh just for the record my name is Miko it's phonetically in Spanish so maico's Mico um anyways I just want to speak here in support of the adus I know some people have their concerns but to be honest with you I think the benefits outweigh the negatives uh at the end of the day if this doesn't work out to be affordable for people to build or maybe it doesn't even work out as affordable housing well hey guess what at least people have the ability to have some passive income if they choose to do so they have the ability to build something behind their existing home so you know if people are really concerned about this not working out I mean we'll take the wins we can because we can't do anything about rent control unless the state legislator changes that which I think is the correct way to go for affordable housing thank you question is next followed by Brent mm-hmm mayor council um very happy Christian Solario uh very happy to be here in front of you to talk in support of the aedu text Amendment but the process does not end after the vote Phoenix needs to be a leader in Adu implementation um and fortunately there's lots of good best practices that have been adopted nationally that we can lead from LA and Tucson have pre-approved Adu plans San Jose has a 24-hour permitting process for Casitas and adus San Diego has a bonus program that provides for has provided over 300 Casitas that are deed restricted for affordability and Seattle has eliminated barriers to now increase the Casita production by over 400 percent I think Phoenix should be at a place to produce over a thousand Casita permits per year by 2025 if the work doesn't stop today and this text amendment is part of a bigger movement it's about zoning reform there's been lots of research that has acknowledged the harm that zoning has caused in their own and it's restrictive and exclusionary nature uh but don't take it from me you can take it from the Turning center from UC Berkeley eviction lab out of Princeton City lab out of UCLA Joint Center out of Harvard applied Health policy Institute out of the U of A sitelight Institute Pew Research Center all pointing to the harm that zoning has caused and Phoenix has a long way to go we ranked in on the seventh percentile as on zoning restriction metrics by uh upenns uh residential land use regulatory index so there's a lot of work to do so Adu is a good Birch step and a necessary step if we want to achieve the goals of creating a more sustainable Equitable and affordable Phoenix for all thank you mayor mayor councilman Stark if I'm if I'm embarking and looking at process improvements with regards to how we permit is there a better way of doing it so I suggest you're going to be one of our victims we're going to talk to you about some of your ideas gladly rent is next followed by Trevor good afternoon mayor members of city council um the work you all have done on this text amendment is nothing short of miraculous the the possibilities of what this brings is really endless and only limited by the creativity of homeowners in Phoenix I I believe this is taking a wonderful first step towards helping families create opportunities for their multi-generational homes and also creating stronger neighborhoods because when you I I know there's been a lot of speeches and questions and concerns about the short-term rentals but I mean if you just do the math on the investment and what you would have to rent a short an Adu for per night to even come close to re getting a return on that investment it's ridiculous and it's on it it doesn't work except in the just a very few neighborhoods however if you are able to build an Adu in a home that you are going to live in and your family is going to partake in your children or your parents or sisters or brothers Aunts Uncles nieces nephews are going to live in that home the value of that home the equity in your home grows tremendously in your ability to flourish hopefully build generational wealth which so many of our residents are lacking create is created and it it's a wonderful thing to start with we do not need any more parking for these adus I I am waiting for this to pass and I'm hoping to build an Adu for my mother um by the time she needs to be living in my home on my property she's not going to be driving or as much so please take the wonderful text Amendment you've put together pass it today pass the short-term rental restrictions in your upcoming meeting and pass the reduction in parking in the following meeting thank you very much thank you Trevor is next followed by Dan Clocky Aaron Council thank you for the opportunity to address you this evening Trevor Barger I'm a long-term champion of building great places for people to call home it brings me great joy to hear the statements of the mayor the council the public on this topic that is so dear to me I want to express my thanks to Josh and Chris deparo for their very practical way of addressing this topic their work isn't conceptual they dug in to make sure this will work well this evening I just want to clearly share my support of this code Amendment thank you very much thank you Dan is next followed by Chuck mayor members of the council Dan clackey 726 West Portland Street and the historic fq story neighborhood I'm sure over the last few months as well as tonight you've heard some comments and concerns about the impact on historic neighborhoods and the impact of parking three quick comments why you don't need to worry about that first off we're always going to have a process in historic neighborhoods as a member a 60-year member of the historic preservation commission we got to trust staff staff does a great job balancing new and old they can continue to do this as we have adus in historic neighborhoods second as a 20-year homeowner in the fq story neighborhood I have an Adu to my right I have an Adu across the street and I have an Adu 150 feet down the road in the 20 years that I've lived there we've had families we've had couples we've had singles literally not once in 20 years have I ever ever had a problem they could have been renting those out as airbnbs for a lot more money a lot more money because I'm near downtown never have third thing is parking people seem to be concerned about parking on the street somewhere along the line homeowners began to think that the prop the public Street in front of their house is their own private property the public street is for parking and so in my neighborhood I park on the street my neighbors park on the street in front of my house I have guests in front of the house I have other people nothing has ever happened we don't need to worry about it and it slows traffic down so keep that in mind as well thank you thank you Chuck is next and then we'll go for virtual public comment and mayor and Council my name is Chuck Jones I live at uh in the Grandview neighborhood actually just a few blocks away from the relative of a sitting council member who lives in a flood plain so what provision is made for people that want to build adus and floodplains do they wind up building them a foot higher to get them out of the flood work so that their roof line winds up higher than the existing home I am shocked to hear that you think that 3 000 square foot dwelling could be an accessory unit that is a mcmansion for those of us who live in Grandview with homes that are about 1700 square feet and I don't understand the opposition to required parking if the adus all take up all the parking then when you have your own party then your guests have no place to stay I think there are a lot of nuances that have not been thought through about this and I would like to propose an alternate solution instead of being entirely negative and that would be for the city to buy up Parcels discreetly so the cost doesn't go through the roof hopefully as close to light rail as you possibly can and then put out competitive bids for a developer to build affordable housing rather than piecemeal things you're looking at streets being torn up for sewer and water lines and aging infrastructure that being tapped into could cause harm I think of cul-de-sacs where there's not room to to park a Mini Cooper in front of somebody's house as it is and you put an Adu there with somebody uh and no no required parking um these will become magnets for investors in years to come they they sound like a Panacea now it's great for somebody but the man on the phone didn't mention if mom lives out of state or not and if he's bringing mom to live with him in the Adu from out of state that's not solving our housing and the poster person they put on the news the other night who's going to bring his mom in from out of state that's not going to solve housing and I think there's a better way that you could accomplish this without this change thank you thank you Ann is next followed by Shane oh hello this is Ann from roslock and year me we can okay thank you uh well I really just signed up to attend not really to speak but I will say uh thank everyone for all the work they've done on this I appreciate all the hard work that everyone has done and one other quick comment a lady previously mentioned that she couldn't find an email address for the mayor um and if you just Google email address of Mayor Kate Gallego Phoenix you'll get her email address so that's all I have thank you very much thank you Anne alrighty appreciate that that very technical tool of Google um Shane is next hey uh my name is Shane Gore 2035 West Aster Drive I just wanted to uh mention briefly I think that the housing type diversity is really important aspect of approving adus I think the Phoenix has the challenge of of attracting and maintaining the the workforce talent that we need to continue growing as a vibrant City and if we don't allow Dynamic flexible housing situations we're not going to be able to retain those those people and other cities are going to allow these things and we're going to end up being left behind so I think it's a no-brainer obvious should be approved uh I I think the the minor changes that have been made to it are good changes and on that note I urge the council to consider the parking reform Amendment as drafted by staff not as Modified by the Planning Commission Planning Commission is not always right I think they did a great job with adus I think they missed the mark on the parking regulations thank you thank you and for our staff did we get everyone speaking yes mayor we did wonderful and for folks interested in parking the transportation committee will be hearing that and for folks interested in more work on short-term rentals we will have that next formal meeting on the 20th all right we will close the public hearing we have a motion on the table from councilwoman Stark seconded by Laura Pasteur any additional comments or questions I do councilman Pastor no it's always me there were several questions uh asked by the audience and one was wording um you address parking and uh the other one was language and the language that I think we were speaking about is from the neighborhood Coalition of greater Phoenix that they wanted language improvements regarding the HP and the HOA piece can you explain that and then the floodplain many members of the council I'll I'll start with some of the language reference that was crossed out you know part of as we began this endeavor as you've heard as some of you have heard me say at subcommittee part of what we endeavored to do was to ride an ordinance that would actually facilitate the construction of adus we've had the benefit of watching how other cities have constructed their ordinances and been unable to identify some of those flaws part of what we did here and I want to give Trish and Mr de perro a ton of credit is evaluate the ordinance to identify where might there be some hurdles with current language in the ordinance that might make it difficult as we looked as councilwoman Stark looked and as as asked us to do how can we streamline this process well it starts today by one making it permitted and two cleaning up the ordinance to make sure that if someone does come in to see us and ask for a permit for this that they can do so in an efficient way part of what was referenced in there is some changes to our design standards with respect to the construction of walls and rear yards and parking in rear yards when they're off of valleys there there could be a scenario where obviously people are building an Adu in a rear area they might want to have some parking associated with that we we've just we we've eliminated that as a hurdle for them but again in HP neighborhoods they'll still have to do HP review again on the larger parking issue as I think you heard some testimony as we evaluated the other ordinances requiring a parking space majority of lots in Phoenix are around 6 000 square feet if you if you were to do a required parking space for the Adu it makes it very difficult for anyone to do it something to keep in mind and I know that we testified to this at subcommittee is that your required parking in Phoenix and residential lots is to be behind the front setback of the house so that does leave the driveway area as a potential place for folks to park if they are if they're visiting the site in Nadu uh on floodplain again as part of any type you have to go and get a permit from us we'll evaluate whether or not the site is appropriate to issue a permit sites that within a flood plain or flood way would generally not be eligible for for building activity happy to answer any questions thank you any additional comments or questions roll call Ado yes Lodge Washington yes O'Brien yes Pastor yes Robinson yes Stark yes Waring I would like to briefly explain my vote please do I still have thank you I still have I wish we were addressing the the short-term rental issue and it's real way I know the current legislation legislation at the state level uh sort of precludes that despite what they did last fall um I just I can't add to that problem that's been for the staffers who take those calls for me and Legion in District Two so I am going to vote no I would like to vote Yes and I I wish this all the best so I hope it works out mayor I would like to say one thing um more I hope it's appropriate I don't think we're having policy last week so next week so I thought I might mention it's in several of the staffers know him uh we had a terrible loss yesterday in District Two uh Doug Dixon passed away yeah I know I see some of you guys reacting I was shocked too you know I think he was only 61. it was a surprise so um you know he was the head of the HOA for Desert Ridge for I think 12 years he's still on the board but he wasn't president now he's having a Desert View for for I don't know long how long one of the villages that heard this so I just wanted to share that with you guys personally it hit me pretty hard yeah he was a great guy a wonderful volunteer and a good friend gave a lot to this city so thank you uh for letting me do that mayor I appreciate it yeah councilman I apologize was I don't know thank you very much I appreciate it I'm sorry yes there you go yes passes eight one so buy an eight to one vote it is now much easier to build a casita at your home in Phoenix [Applause] all right looking at the board we have no additional items so I will turn to our City attorney to explain the final portion of the meeting thank you mayor during citizen comment members of the public May address the city council for up to three minutes on issues of Interest or concern to them the citizen comment session is limited to 30 minutes the Arizona open meeting law permits the city council to listen to the comments but prohibits council members from discussing or acting on the matters presented thank you we will begin citizen comment with Beatrice Johnson Beatrice will be followed by Lisa Blankenship okay Lisa had to leave so uh Beatrice will be followed by Irma Pacheco foreign good afternoon my name is good evening Beatrice Johnson here I am not happy to be back here last time I was here I had shared with you that uh April 26th the person who killed my sister in Joseph Gutierrez was not in court and that your city prosecutor and your city judge and the attorney for the defendant decided that he could call in on the phone even though he had been picked up by the police on March the 1st he did not see a judge he was released his attorney called email the next morning for not guilty our victims rights were violated and so on the 26th the prosecutor decided that she would do the Bell hearing again but he was not there again so they decided to let him be on the phone so we had a court date in June but I was wondering how would you get past all that with all our victims rights being annihilated and then we get a call that you decided to move the case to the county so you moved okay you sent the case to Maricopa County without even communicating with our family I came here last to ask you could I talk to the city prosecutor's office to see why they sent the case we don't we haven't even heard from the city prosecutor why it's just that it's been done so we've been waiting since June and against my will but because I have people here who live here who say wait oh they might give felony charges so I asked the prosecutor so what's going on what's with the charge she says only charge we can give is misdemeanor I say well if you give a misdemeanor then how come you haven't charged him you're not using a different law from the city prosecutor's office well I went to get the records from June that we were not privileged to and it says in writing that the city Prosecutor Office made an agreement with the Maricopa County to charge misdemeanor charges it's in writing I could never get this paper for months and months just like I couldn't get it when he was he did not see the judge so you can't pass the buck it is your officer who did not give the blood test when he flunked the sobriety test it is your officer who did not call our family and allow my sister to lay in the morgue for eight days the buck stops here you cannot pass it to County since you have an agreement with them make sure this guy is charged and this time make sure he is in court you guys are annihilating our family with all our victims rights and you're torturing us over some vehicle homicide because you're showing privilege and the big people that's watching told me don't worry about it it's only making better for you down the road I need the road to be here right now I need you guys to handle this guy who killed two people why am I back here because you thought it was great you could just pass it on to the Maricopa County no keep that agreement I got the paper it says you have an agreement with Maricopa County to charge in Nebraska peck of it for two counts of bodily harm with death charge this guy why is he still out because they were homeless because they're black because they are Mexican get this done now I'm serious get it done we'll be back [Applause] Irma is next followed by Jeff Caldwell um negotios taquitos foreign [Music] Washington is excuse me hello my name is Irma Pacheco and I'm here because I work in a area terminal number four I work at the airport I don't make a lot of money um the restaurant that I work at I work there as a cook and it's called Los Taquitos I work approximately 32 hours a week because I cannot work 40 hours where I work is very stressful I only get to go to the restroom one time I have to keep asking for breaks because they don't give me any very stressed and I only make seven hundred dollars a month it's not enough to make a living to support the family I'm in Keisha's Washington's area where I live and I am not making enough money to support my family companies it's a company that I work for they're very powerful their name is and we have helped that company in that we are earning them a lot of money thank you very much thank you Jeff is next followed by Michael Smith mayor council members so ballot pedia says the league of Arizona cities and towns is a government sector lobbying Association in the state of Arizona ballot pedia says the national league of cities is a government sector lobbying Association so therefore you just approved paying lobbyists instead of using money for citizens of Phoenix and then in 2019 a document was created by the C40 cities but then reshared in March of this year and it's titled addressing food related consumption-based emissions in C40 cities this document says consumption interventions are ways to reduce carbon emissions This research sets out a series of scenarios to show how consumption-based emissions in c-40 cities May evolve in no action taken limited action taken or if ambitious action is taken and one area of concern in this study is that it lays out if we abolish the consumption of food at the city level so I am concerned that the City of Phoenix the mayor of the City of Phoenix is the vice chair of the steering committee she's the only American on the steering committee of the C40 cities and so I am very concerned that these types of policies are going to be implemented here in the city of Phoenix if you do Google Banning food C40 cities you'll find that many partisan articles state that this is a conspiracy theory however there's another document that was written by the C40 cities in January of 2022 which is after Merit Gallego joined and the title of this one is how to cut your city's consumption-based emissions and this says to avoid climate breakdown over the next decade leading cities emissions must be cut by two-thirds including the emissions driven by Urban demand this article explains the steps Urban policy makers can take along with emerging and tried and tested approaches in key Urban consumption sectors mentions of reducing meat consumption is two times in this article and then finally in February of 2022 a document was released by C40 cities and it was called C40 Good Food Cities declaration and this also mentions reducing meat consumption thank you very much thank you Michael is next followed by Patricia excuse me how y'all doing today I want to thank uh mayor and city council for giving us this opportunity to speak um this is a true story my name is Michael Smith I live in District 8 at 1146 West cocopal I work as a cook at the airport for SSP America on Pei Wei I recently had to get a second job at GCU I have not been able to pay my rent and buy groceries at the same time I love cooking and making our city guests happy but me and my co-workers are struggling we had a we had a strike vote on Friday at 98 of us voted yes we are prepared and willing to go on strike at any given time I'm here today with my union we are having a food bank today right outside um many of us would skip meals this week without the food we are getting today thank you for your support and time [Applause] Patricia is next followed by Jody good afternoon mayor and city council my name is Patricia Ray I am a bartender at SSP America for Sky Harbor Airport I love my job and I love welcoming visitors to our beloved City but working as SSP has made it difficult for me to afford my bills my husband and I have three beautiful children under our roof and also support two adult children with a grandchild on the way my husband and I both work full-time jobs and we are struggling to pay a rent of two thousand four hundred and fifty dollars after deducting health insurance and taxes my paycheck is four hundred dollars at best every two weeks after paying taxes how am I supposed to pay for food and utilities after a four hundred dollar paycheck I don't think anybody in this room that we sit or in or out of here can SSP is a contractor with the city of Phoenix which is owned by Scar hyper Sky Harbor the city has a responsibility to ensure that all their employees have a living wage and treat us worth with dignity and respect that we deserve we are coming to the city to ask that they support our efforts to create a a desirable work environment and livable wages so I thank you for your time and have a good afternoon [Applause] Jody is next followed by Leslie again we are here to remind your oath to the Constitution you sworn to uphold and protect our Arizona Constitution states an Article 2 Section 1 fundamental principles a frequent recurrence to fundamental principles is essential to the security of individual rights and the perpetuity of free government so we do not give you the right nor permission to apply tyrannical laws onto the people that includes the mag no meat no gas vehicles no milk nor only purchase of three articles of clothing these are tyrannical laws you are trying to put upon us remember it's treason if you go against our constitution and your oath Leslie is next followed by Moira foreign so I'm going to kind of repeat some of the things or at least one article that I said earlier which is that all political Peril this is in the Arizona Constitution which you guys have sworn to uphold it's the Arizona Constitution Article to whose section two political power and the purpose of government all political powers inherent in the people and the governments derive their powers from the consent of the governed you're the con you're the ones who've consented to be governed everybody up here I've noticed looks up this way there's only one person consistently that does not yep it's you mayor you've had people coming up here talking about the hardships of their life I heard some of these people that woman who lost her family she's actually been down to the Board of Supervisors appealing down there as well it's like on deaf ears that young that woman that called in to you know make sure I knew how to look up an email I actually know how to look up your email it's getting a response back and then when I call downtown to ask what I should do Mr Maddox very kind man very good employee he let me know that you don't have an email so maybe the woman who called in she thinks you can just pull something up magically if it doesn't go there and it doesn't come back it doesn't matter so um I'm just saying this because you have made very big decisions that really affect many of us here and and in the future like uh Jeff actually said when he was up here he literally said that you actually are the only American on that on that group that's a concern to us because many of us know the world economic forum is actually trying to move in we know the elites are pulling together that a little uniparty group and they're trying to affect our future a lot of these City things and all these ordinance it probably works out in some situations for good situations but some of them have a motive and that motive is not for our betterment I mean it's kind of like they're preparedness and dicing up like The Hunger Games already so just so you know you're the leader in that and when we can't get a hold of you she had actually read something that actually is very applicable it's Arizona Constitution Article 2 Section one it says frequent reoccurrence of fundamental principles is essential to the security and individual rights and the perpetuity of free government when we can't get a hold of you and we can't get a response from you and it's like jumping through hoops and figuring out how to push that button and this one and then I hear oh well I'll pass on a message a message that goes in the garbage means nothing it's kind of like an email that goes nowhere and doesn't have a way to be responded to we've got so many situations going on in our country right now when I hear of the hardships of people that are in this room and I know the BS that's going on of what we're doing with Ukraine and all the other little tidbit little time you know little crossing the t's dot in the eyes for the world economic Forum you actually represent them you are going against your own followed by Roger and thank you Moira all right Roger is next followed by John foreign Council people I want to thank you for this opportunity for me to as a Vietnam vet a father and a grandfather I'm involved in a love organizations that are veteran involved and we're there for the lost and found of people that are we're talking about our children trafficking is a vital concern to me and I want you to know that when we talk about things like that and we're transfixed on other plateaus like how we're going to feed them our own children food is a critical measure how do you go to food banks to support people like this I've been part of a union costs are spiraling up in this country and it's killing people how do we as parents look across the dinner table to our children each one of you has family when we go to make rules about how change how did you know GMO change meat I look at spam that's disgusting I'm sorry but I can't but seriously I can't think of why we would want to ever think that what we're going to go out there instead of pouring Cheerios into a bowl we're going to pour something in there it's got legs crawling around that's scary I mean if we're out there in the field and and as veterans and we're out there trying to defend this country and and trying to add more try to keep it free that isn't freedom that's an imprisoned that's imprisonment and I ain't going to sacrifice my family one moment for crawly things or dead meat that just doesn't process in our in our nutritional system I wouldn't expect that from you to go look at your children your wife your family we have an oath and we took it and we're not going to give up on arrows I appreciate that you can look in the mirror each day and say what do you want for breakfast we went for dinner that's a heartfelt humanitarian thought that we have to cake each day when we get up in the morning and go out and try to make a living whether it's being behind those counters and behind those microphones behind those cameras ladies and gentlemen our God gave us the freedom to live abundantly in this in this world I look across of all the people that are going through all these things and why are we trying to depopulize when we should be essentializing that's our prayer today I pray that you can go home and think about that with your conscious clear before you start putting things on the other on your neighbor and you're and you fellow man thank you God bless you [Music] John is next followed by Barbara foreign Forsyth all right Barbara Jennings followed by Leslie no Barbara do we have Leslie Shepherd okay do we have Vanessa Ortega Vanessa Ortega do we have almadi farad Allah hello city council thank you for hearing us today my name is almadi I go by Art to make it easy let me start I've been a cashier at SSP America for about 11 months now at Sky Harbor Airport of course the combination of the current low wages paid by SSP America multiplied by the extremely High Cost of Living mostly rent in Phoenix Arizona has driven me to being homeless and just living in my car ssp's refusal to accept unite hears which is our Union proposal for the next contract only serves to exacerbate my daily stress and my anxieties for the near future I was lucky enough this Summer that my cousin let me stay at her place for the second half of the summer to shelter me from the Heat at a reduced rate however once this summer once the heat of the summer is over this is no longer going to be as sustainable living situation for myself before I worked at SSP America I actually was a security guard for the City of Phoenix at the main library downtown of course during that time the City of Phoenix had a policy of only having part-time workers so a combination of this and my family's struggles with poverty has left me in a situation where I'm just constantly fighting an uphill battle to make it in life we're just asking that we be heard and that we get cities councils help in negotiating this new contract we need you guys on our side I like so many of my co-workers ask beg and demand a wage that supports our lives in the same way our energy efforts and hard work breed life into the food service for our guests at our most beloved Sky Harbor Airport thank you very much [Applause] Leslie noting Leslie noting do we have any other speakers that is all mayor we are adjourned