all right hi welcome everybody to the January 22nd 2025 City Mesa Planning and Zoning Board public hearing we'll begin with a roll call chair SS is here uh we'll go over to Vice chair pitcher here thank you board member Montes here board member Carpenter here board member Farnsworth here and we'll be excusing board member Peterson and board member blakeman today so as part of the agenda we do have a consent agenda these uh will all be read into the record and acted on in one motion these will not be discussed in individually I don't know why I'm using plural it's only one item actually it's two never mind we got two so uh we'll have board member board member Montes be reading the consent agenda for us today okay items on the consent agenda approval of minutes from previous meetings item 2A minutes from the January 8 2025 planning and zoning board [Applause] meeting take action on the following zoning cases items three uh item 3A z12 24- z291 project balis 159 plus acres located at the northwest corner of East Warner Road and South Ellsworth Road site plan review and special use permit for a data center district 6 staff recommendation approval with conditions thank you appreciate that so all in favor of passing uh on the consent agenda is read please vote and then Vice chair pitcher yes and with that unanimously that passes thank you for reading that consent agenda first today so for that we'll move over to discuss the one item that we do have on the agenda which is item uh 4A and we'll go ahead and invite staff up chair before we um move on can we clarify who motioned and seconded that approval of the consent agenda did we not do it we didn't catch it here motion I'll motion first second second or second sure sorry about that do you want me to ReRe it Carson do we need to revote or unfortunately I'm going to ask do all right Josh you can come right back you're going to be so look for a motion to pass a consent Jen is red I need a motion motion second second all right all in favor revote Jeff yes and again that passes surprisingly all right thank you come on up J you I'm got excited this is for Z 24- 00638 also known as The Lofts at11 this request is for a rezone from RS6 to rm4 with the planned area development it is for site plan review as well and this is to allow for a multiple residence development the site is located north of Main Street as well as east of B School located on North Beverly uh per the 2040 General plan uh the general plan designation on this site is neighborhood Transit Corridor station area uh due to its vicinity to that light rail stop at the Alma School in Maine uh this area is prominant any single residents however it may contain a variety of lot sizes as well as dwelling types as well as within the station area uh that's typically a 15-minute walk around that station area is intended to be more intense development that's associated with Corridor as well as expected to transition into an urban FL the closest you get to uh downtown uh this zoning on the site is currently RS6 and again that request is for multiple residents 4 with a planned area overlay uh here's the existing site photo looking East from Beverly um you'll see is the house at 121 as well as the one next to it and these two are the ones that are proposed as part of that overall site plan on those two lots uh to be demoed and then replaced with the proposed project here's the proposed 68 uh townhouse site plan um this has uh addressed changes since the design review board last week um the primary access is from Beverly as well as the what was previously parallel parking on the North side has been changed to increase Landscaping um as well as uh overall parking count is 143 is required and the applicant has provided 157 parking spots on site here's the proposed landscape plan uh utilizing those comments from the Dr RB as well as being updated to meet the new overall layout and a new updated rendering um showing that view if you look East from Beverly and then here's the overall deviations as I mentioned in the study session a lot of these are dealing with the overall lot restrictions as well as the proposed uh development the impact to the site to the overall setbacks as well as landscape setbacks lot coverage uh proposed design for the garage uh architectural break as well as the crossback of the set aisle uh cross aisle and that's specifically for those first uh garages that are off that drive aisle and then uh as part of this process uh citiz participation was required uh which required the notification of property owners within the Thousand ft as well as registered HOAs and neighborhoods uh there was a uh neighborhood meeting on September 5th where 12 Neighbors did come out and they have concerns about their overall traffic impacts on the site not only to the uh development itself but the overall impacts of Beverly Park and the neighborhood as a whole as well as concerns about air quality as well as uh overall quality of life in this area um we also received uh emails reiterating those concerns as well uh as well as some additional emails General inquiries about if it's for rental or for sales and based off of the current submittal um it is designed for rental um staff finds the overall uh project complies with the 2040 Mesa General plan chapter 69 of the MZ for site plan review chapter 22 of the MZ for uh planned area development overlay uh staff recommends approval conditions happy to answer any questions all right thanks Josh any questions for Josh from the board hold on we we'll get there uh just I'm sorry Josh can you clarify are we like the parking did you say it was over what is designated yes uh thank you chair and uh board member Montes so specifically for a townhouse development the standard parking requirement is 2.1 uh parking spots per unit um which would C out to 143 for the 68 units with that 0.1 uh based off of that the applicant has provided for 157 parking spots which is 14 over that required number so therefore they're meeting that parking requirement did they designate like are those 14 going to be like visitor or just extra per unit so uh thank you chair board member Monas it's my understanding that their General uh visitor parking and things of that nature I don't believe that at this time they've been designated specifically for any units or anything of that nature okay I just I wanted clarification because anything else no not from me no Vice chair pitcher any questions on your side no okay thank you with that I know the applicant is here as well there he is he like where where's Tim yeah I'm the little guy in the front welcome back thank you he's saying welcome back some of you may I was on the planning and zoning board for uh six years six wonderful fun years okay and okay um these are the Lofts at 121 121 uh on Beverly Street um this is a uh bit of a more unique project uh for me um one of my mother's best friends lived in this house one of my good friends Jeremy lived in this house as he was growing up so I've spent more time on this lot than I think most lots that I that I end up developing um this gave me uh I guess a sense of more um care and and concern with it um as I as I approach this uh this design um this gives you a little bit of an overview where it's at I think you saw this already with Josh's presentation but you see Elma school um cutting down right through here um this area so this is my neighborhood I live um qu mile from this lot um there's a lot of Development coming in uh West Mesa has had some infill challenges over the years as as buildings have aged and the area has aged but um happily there's we recently many of you voted for the one that we had down here the sewing shop the expansion there we're waking on a project that's right here there's another project coming in right here and then there's of course the one that that we have here so there's a lot of new growth starting to pop up in West Mesa and a lot of it is filling in that missing middle um that we that we run into challenges filling up in a city like ours um you see here from this chart that uh there is a lot of mixed zoning uh because of the light rail proximity and Main Street there's a lot of rm4 uh to the South um you get a little bit of rm2 some rm4 to the north there's a mix of different um densities and everything in this area is it's transitional area in this neighborhood there's some rm4 across the street um just to give you an idea that the zoning the rm4 zoning that we're seeking is not unusual for this neighborhood and there you see it as we approached this project we knew that Beverly Park was here since this I know this neighborhood Beverly park has a unsavory reputation uh it's dark at night uh there are often vagrants there there are drug deals there there are um issues with the the the neighborhood has brought up um quite often um and so we as we approached it we said can we do some things as this development goes in can we put the buildings closer to the park can we have lights on the park can we have eyes on the Park from the front doors and from the windows of these buildings um we put a view fence right along the park and as we we envisioned it it's not our park but we envisioned this this uh project as the park getting a lot more use from residents of this project the park being uh seen and lit by uh this project coming through and this is one of the ways in which this area this project we hope helps to enhance the enhance the neighborhood and so you see here this is what the development would look like um with the park to the south of it you see the there's the playgrounds and the the things there there's a mural in the park we're preserving that on part of the wall uh that's there there's a big uh block wall that's there now we would remove most of that and put view fencing so that there's a lot of um view between the park and the development uh this is the site plan the uh parking I think that uh board member mon Montes sorry there's a monores project right up the street from this I'm trying not to confuse the two uh the primarily the primary parking for visitors is all in this area right here um all of these units have a two-car garage um we've developed many projects like this that have these twocc car garages we see them as town homes as a missing middle uh filling a missing middle so it's not putting apartments right next to single family residences it's putting something much more like a a house a townhouse that's close to that um we've seen in our developments up in uh we've got one up in melops on melops and Gilbert um most of the residents there have one or two car cars um there's a common concern that people will put um their cars in the garage or fill the car the garage with stuff and then Park their cars elsewhere that's not something that we've typically seen in the developments that we've done um this is the pigeon lofts that Josh referred to earlier um you can see the pigeon lofts has all these rules about what will get a pigeon in and out what why a pigeon want a roost it's fascinating stuff and if you want to grab lunch sometime I can tell you all about it since I learned all about it for this we took that same shape and we applied it to the um the architecture of the building to bring uh some of the history of this project to the to the Forefront these buildings are in the backyard so they're not easily seen from the street but you can see them from the park and so we're we're kind of celebrating that uh Jerry relly who was friend of mine who lived here for many years kept a a flock of pigeons uh and showed his pigeons and all of that so this is adding to the history of the site um the landscape architecture is is in this um there are we we wanted again we wanted some shade from the south side but we wanted as much viewable uh area looking to the south at the park from the the units here we wanted as many trees as possible aligned along the north side as these are single family homes in here and it's always been our goal to um keep as much distance as we can because we know that this is more dense than the single family homes to the north um we we try to put as much planting as we can along here and so we have the full uh landscape not asking for any reductions on that side um and then because you have the 15t landscape set back here in the 24ot drive aisle here you actually have uh much more than the typical 30 ft required for a a setback you have much more than that along this area here this one you have the standard 30 foot setback between a two-story building and the Lots next to it along here we also have this Corridor the central Corridor to the to the project that comes along here and I think this is how we envision that Corridor being used um we worked carefully with our landscape architect Don Campbell he's done many of the Desert Botanical Gardens um and he created he wanted it to be a shady spot you could put some party lights up there but it wouldn't be exposed to harsh sunlight it would it would have a lot of modeled um shadows and stuff on it since for eight months of the year in our city it's better to have shade than it is to have Sun this is uh looking down that North Drive a so the single family homes are over on this area um the neighbors have asked us to put an 8ft wall instead of the Standard 6-ft wall and so that's what we'll do there we have series of Oak and gum trees that come along here that have a a wide uh canopy mulga trees as well um and so you can see with the the windows on the second stories here the goal is to block much as possible any any light coming from these windows and any views that are coming between the the two either looking into the windows from the neighbor Lots or looking at the neighbor slots from the windows um this is just another view of that with the trees growing up there to avoid as much as possible the any views between the two lots these are the two story units there are two and three-story units the two story units are on the neighborhood side as we try to blend from two story to three story um we always aim to do high quality units these are very similar to the ones on Main Street that are around the corner that were very successful um with two-car garage here and then you walk in to Living Kitchen dining area and then upstairs you have a nice master suite with a walk-in shower and tub a large Flex space and then two bedrooms up on the top and then our three story units the the base of those units is a garage you come upstairs into a living kitchen dining area and then upstairs to three bedrooms the master suite bathroom laundry and two bedrooms up at the top um I wanted to address one other uh concept here I can do it with this image um as we're trying to recreate as much as possible a two a single family home experience um although we're adding additional density um i' like to look at the luxury apartments that exist in the in the rest of the valley um one that I always think about is the kand or um Optima projects that have a parking garage often many of my clients because I do houses as well many of my clients live in projects like that and a parking garage to me is a kind of a dismal sad concrete place to go in and so you you spend a lot of money on a really nice place and then you drive around in a parking garage and you park and then you get your groceries and you have to walk a couple hundred feet to an elevator and then to your your unit um this I think is a better way of doing it so I don't see this I see this as a distributed parking garage except you get to park right into your garage and then go right into your house um and so I see this as a this is mesa's answer to the luxury stuff that happens in Scottdale and this is where we have something better this this would be a much improved experience of getting through um a parking garage and so in our in our projects we typically don't spend a lot of time trying to beautify the the drive aisles we try to put all the beauty on the the center a where the front doors meet each other or along the the outsides where the front doors meet um we try to focus on that because driving down here to your the place you're going to park is 30 seconds 45 seconds not a great amount of time you're going to spend much more time in the front yards of your units and any visitors that are walking are going to do that same thing visitors who are driving not very long and they'll find their parking right in here and so um we see that we we we do uh admit that this is this has density to it and it has these these uh garage doors to it um but we we still feel that this is a better product than um some of the finest places that people choose to live in the valley and with that I will open up to any questions thank you for your time all questions go one quick question and maybe I misheard you I'm sorry if I did um on that southern boundary between the development and Beverly Park is that an actual block fence along that entire Southern perimeter is there some level of paracity between the development and the park it so currently there's some of it is rod iron fence and some of it is block fence we would keep just this area right here of the block fence that has a mural that's been painted on it by the community and then we would make all the rest of it view fence so that anytime people are coming in and out of here there's eyes on the park and so and it it just makes a much better amenity than you're just looking out on the on the park sure yeah and that leads right into my Fallout question I think is um as you noted in some of your earlier remarks about some of the security concerns with the Beverly Park how then are you maybe mitigating some of those security concerns with that view fencing uh for your anticipated residence so the this area will be very well lit um putting an expensive amount of lighting along along that area there it's a 5 foot view fence so it's not something that's easily jumped and um and and that's where you um that's always one of the um the concepts if people can see what's going on it's a safer area if it's a block fence and someone can jump over it and hide it's it's a less safe area so that's that's the goal of mitigating the that that anyone driving down Beverly could seee anyone doing anything along that fence anyone in the in the development could see something going on there if it was a block wall you don't know what's happening on either side so okay thank you chair board members regarding the fence there were a couple comments that I think need clarification I think the application mention an 8ft wall to the north on the North side yes okay um that was not part of any of the pad modifications so in order to do that we would need to add that as a as a sttip as a stipulation um and and Rachel in addition we' need an updated narrative from the uh from the applicant before we could move to Council on that with that updated step okay okay my apologies for the oversight we talked about it with the neighbors and we must have just forgot to update it in our drawings okay and and the other piece having to to do with the replacement of the wall along the park side um staff also recommends that there be a condition that um we work with parks on the approval of that wall as well because it would be on a shared property line yes yeah we would have to do that and we've reached out to parks to discuss this property a few times already but chairs we want to make that also a condition of approval I'm running it down right now thank you um go ahead yeah know your questions uh just a quick question Tim I'm curious the uh the square footage of the units they they all appear to be three-bedrooms so I'm curious if they're all the same square footage or obviously the three stories were going to be slightly larger I'm guessing see if I can zoom in on this the the two stories are actually a little bit larger um let's see if I can get to it if I remember correctly the two story units tend to be around 1600 square F feet oh they fix that 1520 livable on the two story units so yeah about, 1500 and this doesn't like to move oh looks like we don't have it it's it's I think around 1,300 for the three story units doesn't look like we have that called out on here somewhere between 13 and 1400 square feet all right thank you any questions over here no I your pitcher questions I I've just got a clarification on that 8 foot wall to the north it looks like there's some existing uh walls some block walls there is this 8ft wall going to be a replacement of the existing walls or or in front of it you know so there's a gap or what what's the plan there board board member pincher uh yeah the existing walls I think they vary in height but they're somewhere closer to six feet and so if we put an 8ot wall there we would have to put in a New Foundation this would be something we would work with the neighbors as that's that was their request that it goes to 8 feet thank you else anything else by share picture NOP all right thanks Tim I think we're good thank you all right with that so we're going to go ahead and open this up for public comment um I do have some cards I do know that we've received some comments the board has reviewed those that we were emailed but then I do have a few so when I call your name we'd love to have you come up um each of you can have 3 minutes um and when you come up if you could just state your name and address for us and we'll go from there and I'm just going to read them in the pile that I have so Mike Zigler all right Mr Zigler come on up and hopefully I said your name right me a to get up you're good sorry I don't have all the Hightech stuff um you're good I have visual handouts somebody come up get them there's more than enough I think there's 10 of them there thanks sir there you go not sure I'm able to read all that okay go ahead um if you could state your name and address for us to start yeah my name is Michael Ziggler 1019 West Second Street I live uh on the other side of the wall the north just north of this project is going in okay the biggest issue that we have with this is the density of it we are putting was it 270 to 340 People based upon whether there's four or five people in these particular Apartments um we got 68 Town Homes 161 parking places all on 34 acres and they're talking about we're going to have a 446 uh traffic I guess what do they call it traffic events daily as a result of this um our big problem is the pollution you're going to go and have 161 cars in this area um and we're just afraid that that it's going to pollute we have on the other side of the wall at 1019 which happens to be the West Edge there we've got an adult with two high school kids in my address we have three older adults I'm 78 my wife is 7 um I just recently recovered from prostate cancer and I am on 02 at night uh 1029 we have a fourth generational house the original older sold to a son who have his family living there so we have three adults and two children 10:35 multigenerational with three adults one child 1045 two adults three small children on Beverly right next to the park we've got two adults and three children and then at 163 we have gentleman here uh lives alone he has wled bone disease as you can see and he also has a compromised immune system what we're afraid of is the pollution that's going to come from all this um like today today it was 70° we had a 9° due Point excuse me a minus 9 degree due point with no wind so any pollution that was there would have just settled in the area the um American Lung Association issued a report stating that there's the 10 problems that you have with with uh high quality of air pollution you know premature death asthma cardiovascular lung cancer COPD all those um new research is also discovering the the uh links between the air we breathe and mental illness um I'm one of the ones that's going to do it um if you have an 8ft wall and you have somebody 14 ft off the ground they're going to be able to see everything in my backyard from 40 ft from the wall on which includes all my back porch like my wife and I have a Jacuzzi there that we use um and we're just afraid that all this is going to be compromised the homes that are going to be on the other side of the wall from us the walkway going to these homes is going to be right on the other side of our wall we just don't have the Privacy that we normally have this is my forever home I'm going to live here till the day I die hopefully it's going to be about 22 more years unless I get polluted to death um the traffic issues um Accord to what the traffic um uh traffic calming report said that um there are 1500 and some OD daily traffic events in our neighborhood they're going to be adding another 446 which is going to put us up over 2,000 track of events in a residential neighborhood right now we have people that cut on Main Street cut down Beverly go all the way through to University or they go to Second Street or second place to get on to Alma School because they don't want to get hit at the light we have the same problem on University people cutting through the neighborhood because it's an easy way for them to avoid the light at Alma School and we just don't need the extra traffic we don't need the extra pollution so if we could just get a compromise I know something's going to get built but we need to compromise in the amount of people and um the amount of cars the amount of pollution the amount of noise um it's all I ask about if they could they're all going to be three-bedroom why they all have to be three-bedroom I know the owner wants to to maximize his his profit on this but at the same time that profit can't come at the expense of the people that live around us I've been there for 25 years I have other people that have been there for 50 years 60 the families so we just can't have all of this pollution and all of this so if we come up with some sort of a compromise you know put some one-bedrooms in in the back part where the where the old folks can be because there's going to be one entrance and that entrance is on the south side of the complex so all the people that are on the north side of the complex going have to drive all the way around in order to go out I ped the people that live at the very front of the apartment complex they're going to get all the pollution that goes by so that's basically about all I've got to say there's more in my report all right thank you Mr Z appreciate you coming so thank you much thank you sir so I have Linda spy this my name is Linda spy I live at 1019 West Second Street adjacent to this project that's being put before you again our issues are density we have a neighborhood that has less than 60 homes in it we're one of the neighborhoods that buffer out the ghetto on the south side of Main Street we're one of the few neighborhoods that is off of Main Street that have 5 $100,000 homes in it we're trying our hardest to have we should be a Heritage neighborhood designated because of the things that have gone on in our neighborhood we also have a church it's insane that we want to double the size of the neighborhood in a sh shoehorn area it's too many units it's just too many it's going to overwhelm the school it's going to overwhelm us with traffic I play spend a lot of time in my yard and I'm the person got the speed bumps on Second Street people are insane when they drive through our neighborhood we had 60 MPH type recordings and a lot less that were much above we have people the kids also love to jump the wall in the area are we going to have that into our backyards we can't guarantee that that's going to be on or occupied so the kids that are in there they're not not going to care about our neighborhood and didn't come to my backyard we have guns at our house we will take care to make sure they don't come back to our backy we don't want this in our neighborhood it's too many too much too many cars we've got so many kids it's not funny I mean he me he didn't mention the one house in the corner I think they've got 12 kids it's a warming neighborhood we have lots of kids the traffic's insane the kids are running off the street I mean it's nuts they've run into our house Speeders we've had him run into the house next to us he will attest when he gets up Jordan that he has seen accidents in near accidents at our corner right down the street it's insane we cannot have that much more traffic in our neighborhood we just can't there's nowhere for the traffic to go but through our neighborhood it's already nuts we need to cut this project in half it's just not fair of the people are paying have earned the right to live in our neighborhood that keep our houses looking nice we don't need this to mess things up for us we're proud we' like to live in Mesa don't make us had to move back out east you know out east they don't have to worry about it we're one of the few nice neighborhoods in West Mesa we'd like to maintain that and I don't see bringing 60 homes in is going to do it when they're in a shoehorn what do you do when you put Rats on a box too many rats they start to kill each other 60 homes for crying out loud folks we don't have that in our neighborhood please please consider cutting this in half I mean it's just sad we've got kids near there that are going to be walking to the school we have easily 50 kids that walk from Legacy through the park to the school all that's going to they're going to be bringing their kids over to the school those all everybody in the neighborhood drives their kids to the school because it's not safe because of the traffic so please think about this if you had another 100 cars in your neighborhood every day think about it sit on your front porch one day when you can this this weekend and think about having another hundred cars in your neighborhood surely yall live on called the sack and crap well we don't thank you thank you Mr and I have Jordan okay so that must be you all right come on up it Mr Adler give me a second oh you're good figure out this wood I'm not used to we can hear you too if you want to just stay where you're at our car so collapses right here I think you're good right oh there's a mic oh there's a mic over here they set one up for you there you go I didn't even see that I think it's good that little [Music] bit take it off there you go I'm uh Jordan now I live at 163 North Bly around the corner of Bly I'm 29 years old and I live along with my two dogs and and my only concern is the safety for myself and the kids in the um in the in the neighborhood I go to the church that they are talking about I go I walk AC cross street every Sunday and I have seen there's been a few times I've seen kids almost get run over by cars I've seen a car accident right outside my window window um there's multiple times where I've heard of people smoking pot on the corner around that corner of Bly and it's just not safe and if you put 68 units it's going to be a lot more traffic and that whole section on on second and Beverly is going to be so packed and compact that it's going to be unsafe for me to take my wheelchair um across the street I think we should have um more um street lights on the uh on Beverly um because that might be a little bit safer um but I think if you if you split the units in half say like 38 then it will give less um less concern of the safety the where where the town houses are going to be I have no I have no concern of it like um like affecting my privacy um regards to that but just the safety concern of how much the traffic is going to be I know it's going to be only like 22% increase but to me that's a big that's a big amount for someone like me and just not safe um like I feel like I mean it is a nice place the park that that that the park needs help and the park is not really safe but just how he was how Tim was talking about the fence thing I think that's that will actually work work out um to make the park a littleit more safer um just the m m conerns like the safety of it on that corner of second M Beverly and that's it thank you I'm not on D there you go thank you Mr Adler appreciate it thank all right any other comments that cards that we have I don't believe we're good okay with that I will invite the applicant to come back up to respond to the comments thank you uh chair and board members and thank you for the neighbors for being a part of the the process that as as things develop we know as cities grow and as they age things change and it's good to have feedback from everybody on that um I'm curious about um Mr Ziggler's stuff with the pollution that's not something I've heard come up in these hearings before and so now my interest is peaked about it what what is the pollution amount that changes and and how did that that's something I'm definitely going to look into more I don't think I've ever seen it in the code or anywhere else that that we kind of look at when we're reviewing these but that's that's something that um we certainly don't want to you know add huge amounts of pollution um so that's something that I'm going to look into in more detail there was a traffic study done by um Y2K engineering um I think it might have been put in your packet of of information the to summarize the the long study they think that there will be an increase of 446 total trips per day with these units going in that works out to about 25 or 26 trips per hour um cars coming in and out um which doesn't greatly increase the number of of cars um on the on the streets there it it does increase it it doesn't greatly increase it they have um a couple different ways of getting out they can go down to Maine they can go out second um so it doesn't add a huge amount of traffic to that um let me see if I can address some of the other questions here um there's a question of density that that's always a question that comes up when town houses come into a into an area um as as where we're working now we we see that there's a housing shortage in in the nation um and uh density sometimes I'm I'm very concerned about it um this one because the park is right next to it it's almost like the density is is half what it would be if you had units coming in all along both of these it's an R4 development um but it's quite a bit less dense than it could be if you maxed out an R4 development um so we don't see the the huge challenge in in in that um one of the things about density though um again since I work in West Mesa and I do a lot of infill in West Mesa um I'm often approached by developers saying Hey how do I maximize this site what are the cheapest apartments that I can just get in get out make my money um I always say no to those offers and I say nope that that's not what I'm going to do I live in West Mesa this is where my home is this is my neighborhood we can put in high quality projects we will seek for more density because that lowers the risk of a highquality project um but uh I've I've said no to many projects or I've taken a developer and and said look at what they're doing on this Main Street Station project which is around the corner from this one this was a very successful project you can have a successful project too by building quality projects in West Mesa and not just seeing it as a Dumping Ground for cheap apartments um the so I've talked about the traffic study the um the back wall there's always a concern with neighbors with uh views coming in from the windows um from a two-story unit um if single family homes can actually be built much closer to to a wall the setbacks are much less so if if this lot lot was divided and four single family homes were in there they could be I think it's five or 10 feet away from the fence so the views would be uh much worse than that and then if you look at the um the landscape plan we've done we've done what we can we know you know a wall has to be like 15 feet high before wall is blocking the views and that's why we put the um that's why we put these uh trees all along the back there um mulas and Eucalyptus that have a large canopy that block the views between the the front and the back um there's a a question about how many people end up living in these the the Main Street Station departments around the corner that were the inspiration for this um those are uh primarily retirees who've moved into that so they're two people living in a house and you get a certain number of Newly Weds and then they have a kid or two and then most of them switch to a single family home about that point so we don't in in our experience in building these types of units we haven't seen six seven eight people living in each in each unit like that um I think that addresses all of the questions that I wrote down are there any others that the board or chair may have right any other questions for the applicant here uh one question oh go for you mentioned Main Street Station a few times and I I seem to remember that one but I'm curious what the density on that one was like units per acre wise if you recall I'd have to I'd have to look I don't I don't remember and they it's not finished because they didn't build the units right along Main Street yet so but it they're they're pretty I mean they have the 24t drive aisles they're doing a lot of the same things that that we're doing so okay thank you yeah I just had a I don't know who could answer but what would be the maximum like maximum size per acre or R like on we took it all the way out it's what 3.14 uh Acres I think you can go 30 units per acre so be somewhere wor2 so the max could be 30 unit yeah because R4 so if it was I think it's 3.14 * 30 so you could put 94 units potentially just a clarification Rachel has yeah so for the rm4 it's 30 dwelling units per acre and we are currently in so that could be the max max yeah this and board member mon that is if it gets reasoned that because there is a resoning request as part of this application yeah but you could Max it out with about 94 units and we have 68 so so the current density is 22.6 dwelling unit breaker that was close or the proposed okay any other questions no that was the question I have Vice chair pitcher do you have any questions at all for the applicant okay all right thank you appreciate it all right with that I'll close it for public comment and then go ahead and open it up to the board for discussion we got a rebuttal what he uh unfortunately no we don't have that as part of the procedure so we'll be Al the staff what's your question or did you have something you were waving I thought you were waving me down I apologize okay so with that we can open up to the board for discussion we can go for and of course people call me right now uh I'll I'll start um so I I I understand with the Zigler Mr zagler Mr spy Mr Adler I I also live very near to here I'm about a mile and a half to the north uh so I I know how the kids are in the area with the school um and uh it is uh with the configuration of the High School junior high and Elementary School all in the same area there's some some traffic issues as as Tim knows and um so yeah it makes for a unique uh place to live I agree it's a gem uh for West Mesa I feel like my neighborhood's gemm for West Mesa and I appreciate the uh the concern of wanting to Main maintain that um I've I've I've listened to the concerns about the pollution and the street uh traffic um I I think we all have the uh responsibility to weigh the the differing property rights and and what reasonable expectations people have um I can understand the concern about privacy and I can appreciate the the large setback that's that's there along with the wall and the the trees um we recently had a neighbor build a two-story that that's right next to us so I can understand the the Privacy uh concern um but you know you you work to mitigate those things uh together um I do think this will be an upgrade to to the the Park area uh I'm curious how the traffic will work um but I think a lot of my concerns personally have been answered um so um that's kind of where I where I settle on as someone who lives in the neighborhood Who understands the dynamic there there there is a um a lack of affordable housing attainable housing and um I like that these are three B bedroom units I think that'll create a more permanent type of Resident that'll be there rather than a more transient type that'll be in and out so I like the area to have roots and people that want to stay around and be bought into the community um so I I can appreciate the three bedrooms I can appreciate that the three stories are on the south side to try to mitigate some of those privacy concerns um I think the one thing for me is the the the street parking that will come and I think if the city were to put speed humps along Beverly that may help um I don't but yeah that's that's kind of where I settle on this issue y anything else well I think with the the speed hums could come right like later if the traffic gets where they can do a traffic study and look and see like speed humps maybe be coming if it becomes a problem of speeding I don't know who can I mean well that that's up to because I know some neighborhoods didn't have them and then now they have the speed homes they've come because of that okay I'm just any else if I share picture you have anything at all that you want to no no and I I appreciate the the concerns that have been been raised I I uh I'm a great proponent of of having privacy in your backyard um I appreciate what the U what the applicant has done though with the 8ot wall and all the the landscaping and and taking out the parking on that side so I I uh I I think that that's that's a A plus for this development and like board member Carpenter said the U affordability of housing is important I think one of the things that's interesting is I almost wondered I don't know staff we couldn't actually add this but most of these residential I feel like just a a simple you know line of sight drawing would be something that should be a standard in in every single one of these because it would get in front of a lot of these concerns and show uh a lot of the the public that the view actual angles are much better for you than you think it is it's not you're not going to have anybody looking in directly I think that should should probably a standard drawing but regardless I think to your point Vice chair pitcher and I think again a lot of these I looked at this as well I lived in this neighborhood I moved out recently but I lived very close to here actually for quite some time um and I know it well is well and I think that this is one of those ones I I will be honest it's a little more dense that I'm super comfortable with I think the density is a you know a little bit much for just kind of what you're around it but it is not way out of whack for me um um what's nice is usually we don't see parking um being it's it's always a reduction on parking and I think the C you know the applicant did a good job here we've we've got plenty of parking uh and usually that's a challenge that we have to go through the other one if and and I probably should have brought this up to you guys when we were doing the study session we were talking about this as well uh from the staff side traffic reviewed this we talked about service and accessibility and getting through all of that was reviewed as well it was all um fine and and and we appreciate staff going through that so with that I will be in support of it I think this is something to your point as well Jason I get it but at the same time as far as use I mean this this could be something that could be a much bigger negative impact to the neighborhood believe it or not within the what our purview is as a planning and zoning board so um with that um I don't think anybody I'll go ahead and make a motion I do know that we have three stipulations that we need to add to so I'm just going to kind of just wing it if that works and then we can kind of go from there if that works for staff I'm seeing nod head head nod so go ahead so with that I would uh move to approve uh item 4 AZ 25009 which is z 25 24 Z1 24- 00638 the loss at 121 which is three plusus acres located at 121 and 129 North Beverly approximately 881 ft north of North northeast corner of East Main Street North Beverly reone from a single residence 6 to multiple residence 4 with a planned area development overlay and site plan review for multiple residence development staff recommendation is approvable conditions um I move to approve with the added stipulations of adding the language for a 8ot fence along the north side correct it it's a pad modification or addition for an 8ft wall I believe addition for for an 8ft wall along the north correct as well as an updated narrative to be provided by the applicant and then a um working with parks and discussions on the Southern Fence and access to and design of that fence and access to the park does that work for winging it the lawyer looking very concerned so I would just for the the parks um maybe add something about ultimate resolution that they that Parks needs to approve all right with with basically the add of resolution to the third stipulation that Parks approves the design of the fence to be located on the southern edge of the boundary next to the F to the park and linkages and linkages to the park thank you Z second to the motion second all right everybody we'll ask for everyone to vote on this one and vice chair pitcher yes and with that unanimously the this motion passes we appreciate everybody has been here today for this so 4 a does pass know my neighbors told me you were going to shove this down our throats and you're sure doing that yep that's why there's nobody else here we appreciate you being here and I apologize it didn't work out the way you think 68 units nothing for updates at all fees all the other sort of stuff on utilities that's all you're looking at there's no additional updates motion second all right all in favor to adjourn Vice chair pitcher yes all right we're Jour thank you everyone for being here why did we B [Music]