okay folks it's 7 o'clock per the clock on the wall Bo I'd like to call to order the June 4 2024 Mountain Planning Commission regular meeting roll call please Jim uh council member MC here um commissioner s couldn't think of the name I'm sorry commissioner Z commissioner Baker here chair good here commissioner heel here commissioner Wacker here and commissioner young here all right uh staff says we have no amendments to the agenda chair would entertain a motion to approve the agenda as distributed motion to approve as distributed second we have a motion second discussion hearing none all those in favor signify by saying I I I those oppose nay motion carries we have minutes of the May 7 2024 regular meeting of the Planning Commission you had those distributed to you I assume you've had an opportunity to look at them as anybody have any uh adjustments to those minutes hearing none the chair would entertain a motion to approve the minutes of the May 7 2024 regular meeting motion to approve minutes as distributed we have a motion second we have a second discussion hearing none all those in favor signify by saying I I those oppose nay motion [Music] carries we have review and discussion of the 2024 Planning Commission work plan with five projects Miss Rita all right good evening it's exciting this year that we actually get to tackle these sometimes in the past we haven't had time um so before you this evening our five topics the plan was to focus on the first three which are ones that we have spoken about a couple of times at the meetings uh with actual draft language for you to consider and then the last two I'll provide some type of a little bit of an introduction to the topics just to kind of prime our discussion um that will come in the next couple of months um staff does have some internal other additional step code changes that we still expect hopefully that we can get to yet this year but we'll see how the projects uh come in in the development applications so while we had a full month or meeting that didn't have any topics it felt like a good time to try and Tackle as many as we could today so uh if you go to page nine of your packet uh the first topic is accessory dwelling units um we've talked about this a topic a few times this would be uh where the code changes would need to occur in order order for it to occur so um definitions just going to try and move down there we go and I'll zoom out a little bit so awesome to do that so we have uh recommended that we include a definition that would be in our definition section um then you can see two sets of is better even a little more would be just fine oh okay then it's perfect turn that one off we usually do the big look at how cute one to the right there you go yeah that's perfect does that work otherwise we usually do the big button that's great all right uh so first there's a definition then there are two use tables our goal uh my goal over the course of the next uh year is to get all of our uses into table like this right now we currently have the mixed juice downtown and the C1 and i1s in this V in this format uh we still need to work on the residential um as you can see we're proposing that an accessory dwelling unit would be uh allowed in the R1 R1 a R2 and then in the mixed juice districts we did not include the R3 because that district is primarily intended to be town houses or apartments and I don't think that was our intention that you would have an accessory dwelling unit for those types of structures and again these will be accessory uses so you need to have some type of principal use already on the site before you could have an accessory dwelling unit um and then there would be uh in the accessory buildings section of the code so 121 129 1994 starting with Section I we'd include a new subsection that includes all of the standards related to accessory dwelling units I'm not going to read and walk through all of those they reflect our conversation um I did note um I did have a note for myself and I apologized because I did not follow up directly um with the building official and I was going to do that I reached out earlier and uh didn't get a chance to connect on the size we were going to just ask them what the minimum size was um for just a unit based on people and I didn't have a chance to have that conversation so I apologize I do have wording in here um that's based on a best practice that's something we could certainly talk about um the wording I can go down down to it it's different when I do a PDF instead of a PowerPoint uh relative to size what I wrote was shall be no more oh more I wrote it two different ways no more than the greater of 800 square ft or the area of the primary dwelling footprint it was a best practice I saw we can certainly have a conversation about it the reason for that is if you have a smaller house say one that's under 800 S ft in size you would still be able to have an accessory dwelling so you weren't penalizing the smaller structures from having one but you really don't want to have if they have a a more modern siiz house you don't really want to have another size structure the same size so that's the reason for that we can certainly look at whatever you would like um we don't have to have one uh but I saw a variety of different approaches relative to size uh and so I just wanted to call that out because I wasn't um this was just an example and it wasn't really language we landed on last time U particularly I think most of the other elements uh we had spoken about so hopefully they're not a surprise um but I can certainly answer any questions about this I think we'll just go topic by topic um and see if you're comfortable if you have questions and then we can decide what to do next uh depending on what questions you have and what I'm able to answer just so I clear Rita you want to discuss the the actual terms within the the points here I would like to know yes because the next step for these is if you are all comfortable then we would move forward with a public hearing and councel consideration if there's something that doesn't feel right then either we need to talk about it and make adjustment to the language or we need to come back with additional information okay so whatever wherever you land on this I do have a question R would there be any reason why we wouldn't match that 800 to 840 which is the which is our smallest allowed single family structure um number that's in the zoning ordinance now which I think goes back to HUD yeah which many cities are working on getting rid of right yes uh potentially I'm trying to remember exactly the boing that's the only question CU I think it has just make aod size of the structure so I got a question regarding that too yeah is that 800 square feet footprint or 800 square F feet of the accessory dwelling if they have a second story in it is 800 both so I I specifically chose the word footprint intentionally you may choose different you didn't use the footprint on the top part that's why I was asking it did not so the the first part the greater of 800 square ft is just total you can have 800 square ft or if it you if you're going to have if you have a bigger primary structure say that you have a 2,000t house and there's 1,000 square ft on the first floor and 1,000 squ ft on the second floor we don't want a 2,000t accessory dwelling unit we want no more than a th000 square that's why I intentionally put footprint I like that for the second part does that make sense so they're they're two separate elements okay the second one doesn't have I was making sure that was intentional I just was worried cuz it's it's like the wording is really particular and so if that could be improved let me know but I was worried about having a you know a 2 2400t house with the basement the first floor the second floor and we'd end up with a 2400 ft accessory dwelling which I don't think is Our intention but if you you don't care about it we can take it out so I had one more question too yeah on the number part we set it to be a single family dwelling can only have one but we don't set the number for mixed use um in the mixed juice we allow single family dwellings so this would be you can only have it with a single family dwelling so that might I can clarify that I understand what you're saying the permitted is allowed in that but it's only allowed if you have a single family dwelling in the mixed juuse District so it's not allowed if you have an apartment or a townhouse or a duplex so it's essentially one per single family in any District in any District yeah but maybe we add in any District if you have a house in the mixed use you get one Adu if you have a house in the R1 you get one Adu yep that's yep the concept works and maybe I need to work on that wording so it's clear that's why we have you poke holes and ask questions so I I wanted to just play out the the comment which one what Sarah said regarding the 840 yep I'm actually trying to find that provision do you have it in the C did you already find it no no no I I was just kind of I was trying to think through that and I guess I want to make sure I understand this so let's say that we had a 840 square foot uh principal structure then we we would say that the accessory structure could be equal to that yes but not greater than but not greater then correct do these structures have a separate p no no are they considered part of the square footage of the house no no they'll they would add into the total square footage of card cover yes and total square footage of accessory structures the accessor now this is separate from us the accessor would likely identify that parcel is having more than one residential structure on it but from a zoning perspective we would keep them as two separate elements and there isn't a maximum or a minimum maximum a maximum size on a regular single family dwelling but we are proposing that for an accessory dwelling unit okay with the intention of keeping accessory so I wanted to finish my question though I hadn't got to my question yet um yes so if you had a non-conforming structure that was 800 square ft or something smaller than that then you would not be allowed to put a accessory dwelling unit on that premisis I would not agree with that this is saying the maximum size you can have if you have smaller is 800 800 sare ft so does that mean if you have a 2,000 foot primary doing and a you could put a 2,000t accessory doing in on there if it's the footprint is 2,000 ft then yes okay so if they had a 700t house they could put 800 squ accessory deing on it right because there was the question of whether you should really uh whether you should be penalizing if someone had a and maybe you think we should but that was kind of the conversation of the precent that it was reviewing is that you know should a person with a smaller house if they have the space otherwise on the lot to put a reasonably sized structure should they not be allowed they're limited so if they have a 500 s foot house they can only put a 500 but if you have a 2,000 foot house then you get to put a th000 so this was a way of a little bit of equalizing it but you may not want that that's why I wanted to call out that provision that's actually where I was headed as exactly what commissioner Baker was saying is if if you have a non-conforming structure and you make an accessory dwelling unit that is maybe kind of know the principal structure is that what we're looking for that I'm trying to think of how this could be abused having been on the commission for a while and yes but but it still can't be taller than the principal structure um so you're liming that correct because it's in Access it is an ACC it either has to be within that structure or it has if it's in an accessory building it cannot be taller than the principal structure because that's how the code currently reads I found the other thing 840 ft per dwelling I knew you knew it but I haven't that one always finds feels like it's hidden yeah it's not in a really good spot I know no I think I'm just stuck on it maybe being able to be less of an accessory it is less of an accessory if you have a small house I totally agree with you and if that's not what you want then we should change the wording I think I'm but I was trying to stuck on that I don't know how I I don't know how I wonder how many we actually have yeah I I felt like 800 wasn't if your 840 is the minimum you would only really be talking about the non-conforming ones yeah exactly do we want to allow non-conformities to sort of become bigger non-conformities I guess is maybe I mean in my those those ones probably have been here for a really long time I look the accessory dwelling unit is conforming you know you're not exacerbating or making the existing non-conforming condition of the house increased you're creating a conforming Adu and again I I know what you're saying but you I taking something that's an aity and making it more of an aity that that's my concern that unfortunately is not something that we can weigh strongly and then tell you the right or the wrong this is this is one of those legislative things that I'm interested if there's other opinions up here as well but that that's that stuck out to me then what was the reason for is that what the whole reason for having the no more than greater than 800 or the area of the primary D footprint mhm was to just allow for the smaller houses to still have something because maybe you have an 800t house say that you even have a,t house if you do just primary footprint and they only have 500 squ ft as their footprint then they're stuck so it's it's you know they only can do 500 if we use footprint but if we use the whole area then we can end up with a 2,000t house doing 2,000 so it's trying to figure out how to handle the wide range of housing sizes that we have and not making something too big I mean there are other elements that we did talk last time you can do no more than 50% you know of the area all those things happen so maybe the underlying conversation is how big do you want these to be are you concerned about them being too big in size do we want to just set a number do we want to set the footprint and you can duplicate the footprint even if it's two stories you could duplicate the footprint what do you normally see out there in other environments this was one of those ones that really varies many cities it it there isn't a clear answer which is why I didn't give you a clear answer I think last time I gave you three options we have seen a minimum and maximum size 400 square ft to 1,000 square ft done we've seen 50% of the footprint and that allows the reason for the 50% is if you have a ranch style house that has a basement then you can get the Adu in the basement if you wanted to because you're 50% of the footprint or 50% of the Second Story those are the two most common uh ones so just to finish my thought on all of this I think in looking at some other cases we've gone through where we've we've then wondered why you know why why can't we or why do we have things grandfather Den or whatever I I would be in favor of writing it a bit tighter than maybe we think we want and kind of capping the ends of maybe the the biggest and the smallest homes and then it's easy to back off on that later if a lot of variance requests come through and we consider them and they all seem reasonable it's harder to tighten it up because then the reason that you wanted to tighten it up is effectively grandfathered in and I get that the only caution I would have is you can grant variances but you have to have the findings and so we have to be careful about whether or not if you if we set a maximum of 2,000 or whatever 1,000 sare ft can we have enough to justify a finding if someone wants to have it 1,200 ft that my only concern and and I'm not saying we shouldn't have a number it's just we have to be careful about the number because I think justifying a variance will be tough in terms of the findings like what is really the Practical difficulties you just want 1,200 ft in instead of a, I think it'll be harder to justify but I think it's certainly not we can't uh obsess over that number because we're really not going to know until we get going which is kind of what you're saying is we have to pick something pick something air a little bit on the conservative knowing we might have to make adjustments and I think the hard cover is going to come into play too specifically on a lot of these smaller lots that when people want to put additions on we we do see them changing out driveways sidewalks taking out patios to accommodate that and um and again we do have some larger Lots but even they are pushing on a lot of the Redevelopment projects to the upper limit of their hard cover allowance so are we to kind of get to this number because I think it for for example the 50% of the footprint kind of accounts for a basement or a second story of the home you know I don't know if we want if I I don't feel like in Mound there's that many houses that are huge sprawling ranch style houses so we probably are pretty tight with that number if that's what people would be comfortable with uh if we deal with a smaller house I don't know if we care if we're limiting really what they can do if they have a smaller house um it's kind of treating everybody similarly it's just if you have a small house then you definitely are limited on how much you can do if we're just dealing with footprint okay um do we have suggested changes for reader I think you've gotten some suggested wording changes earlier correct these all everything that we have is encountered in here so Incorporated everything we just discussed or was discussed before so we're at the point of we either need to make changes or we need to come back with information if that's helpful um and obviously I have the in any zoning district for the number to kind of clarify Mr Baker's question does someone have a passionate it feels like there isn't a lot of passionate knowledge about which way we should go there's a lot of openness so does do we want to just try the 50% since it doesn't seem like there's a passion for one way or the other or do we want to bring it back with some examples maybe what would the 50% read as then I mean we could I just how would that read that read uh the Adu shall be no more than 50% of the primary dwelling footprint or the area of the Adu shall be no more than 50% of the primary dwelling footprint so if you have a 2,000t house you can have a 1,000 ft Adu it can be inside or attached assuming all the other things work but if you have a 2,000t house that's got 1,000 ft footprint the Adu could only be 500 ft correct yeah I think we should use either the footprint as written or 50% which is 10x 50 a 500t Vel yeah two stories or you can just do 100% of the footprint which doesn't then it doesn't matter if it's two stories one story basement basement one and where are we coming into is it a duplex then if it's 100% well I was saying it's can't be more than the footprint of the home but a duplex isn't a single family dwelling though I this is one of those kind of interesting caveat it it it can be similar of duplexes are similar in size generally duplexes there's different ones up and downs would have two separate entrances they're classified different in the building code but these are very similar but we say a lot with a single family dwelling can have one Adu I commissioner's young question is at what point does it go from being an Adu to being a duplex that's how I Mis you're talking about an Adu for each side of the duplex no no no the question is if you allow an ad to be of a certain size at what point do you tip over and it's really a duplex versus a single family home going with the small home too and honestly that's a conversation that is part of all of this conversation is a fine line but there the difference is that a duplex usually doesn't have these kind of restrictions on them they might have independent sewer and water they have additional parking they're considered two separate units so everything applies doubly whereas these have some Provisions that try and keep them smaller so in regards to that y I had a question because 10 says the Adu shall have separate utility connections which to me meant it has have separate sewer water electric which then almost leads you to believe it's a duplex and that was something that each city has to determine I think St was having conversations internally yeah we're not sure how Public Works wants to do that yet um it's written that they that they would have separate but it's possible that Public Works in engineering because it's going to stay on the same parcel and they're going to be paid by the same person that it will not have separate um so that's still it's within the principal dwelling why would you have separate each City engineering and public works yeah they that is one of those areas that they always weigh in on at the end and direct us on which way to go to me I would almost say that they can't have separate utility connections yep because then forces the owner to be responsible for both right correct it does help with the owner responsibility if they don't have those separate ones but some cities have Provisions based on how they do their billing that wants those two things to be separate okay does anybody have any substantive changes to this to recommend to read it so I didn't sense any strong opinions about my initial point so I can kind of drop that I had one kind of nitpicky thing that's like in the first sentence um I just wonder if we want to adjust the wording here it says full bathroom facilities yeah do we so if somebody puts a half bath in is it not a Adu correct is that really what we want well you need to have a shower shower is not a full bath yeah that's my point shower's a 3/4 it's a a wording thing that somebody could kind of work around and I just thought maybe we want to clear that up so it's not a question later okay catch okay any other suggested changes I don't know do we want though what what's that well I know we want to have we want to have a shower or a tub I just was debating whether a shower is sufficient or not that's all I think if it's a small space that you might have to have a shower I mean I can't even imagine putting a big tub in a small square footage ad I'm looking for how it can be gamed it's not a Adu I only have a half bath I'm I'm exempt from all of these other oh you're doing the opposite yeah oh that's interesting huh well if it it I think the interpretation that staff has is pretty strict but yes but if they put a half bath it would't be considered an Adu by this definition but then it would also wouldn't be allowed because you have to have a full bath you wouldn't be allowed to have that in CU we actually do have people that propose those things and we say you can't do it unless you meet so if people start having full kitchens full bathrooms making it look like a unit we say that's not allowed currently in the code because it's not the way that that we see it is if it comes in and you know we see a full bathroom and a kitchen and a living room and a bedroom that's being that's not accessory space in the accessory structure um that's looking like not said they couldn't if we if we go to the Adu route but what we've allowed historically is hobby space Works Space you know a lot of uh folks today you know spend a lot of time in their uh accessory structures and having a stool and a sink is reasonable for cleaning up but there's no reason to have you know a a guest quarters and a and a cooking facilities and all those types of things so that's kind of where we it either needs to be accessory space or it needs to be habitable space but I like that conversation CU I going into it we should clarify with the building official on how they're going to evaluate so that they work together any ambiguity and it just cost the city money Point administrative costs so I am still of the opinion that we should change number 10 the utility connection we we'll note it and um or you can just change it make the recommendation I would make the recommendation that it shall have the same utility connections as the primary structure yep it's a good point and what did we want to do with number three I think we're going to leave it the way it is I think they no more than greater than 840 ft or the primary footprint or do you want to change that I'm good with it I can I can drop my points anybody else have a an opinion on that right at the very least we'll change it to 840 but we'll keep looking in it to see maybe give some examples work on that so with that is there a comfort level with moving forward with a public hearing city council consideration do you want to see this again I think I'm comfortable I'm not yeah I'm not seeing a big demand see it again so that said you do have some minor language changes correct yes could you make a motion that says move this forward with the changes we discussed this tonight I'll make a motion to approve the accessory dwelling unit code change Es as written except for number 10 utility connection the Adu shall have the same utility connections as the primary dwelling in it and some other minor language changes that oh the another minor link are on the bathroom I have bathroom number so in any District a lot with a single family District to make sure that it's clear that in mixed juice it's only single family um and then 840 at least for number three but I reserve you can put that in there noting I reserve the right to change that if we keep working on it we find something better and the utilities yep yep okay do you have enough for a motion I think so are you good yeah yes sir we have a second a second we have a second discussion further hearing n all those in favor signify by saying I I those oppose nay motion carries all right next topic what is my next oh so Sor I'm trying to find my mouse what my mouse it's not coming oh there it is okay solar energy systems when we last had this conversation the conversation was that we would really be focused on solar energy systems related to roof mounted um we also have included building integrated solar which I'll go into in a second but basically the idea of something that's really not noticeable it's not on the ground it's not sitting on the ground um so that's what's proposed in front of you we have definition we have four definitions provided um building integrated solar system just because we didn't quite talk about that I just wanted to make sure so that's the idea that you might have actual building materials that have solar properties in them so shingles or roof or something not a panel but the materials themselves have it in there um again so that would be something you wouldn't really see um then a ground mounted is the the ones that actually on a rack or a pole that rests to the ground and we're actually not allowing those but it's helpful to have a definition of what those are so that we can be clear that we don't allow those roof mounted so something that's on a rack on top of a roof and then just solar access in general um as you move to the use table you can see in the accessory use uh uses we allow um solar energy systems um in all of the districts that we have and then in a new section 12996 um we will be looking at putting in some very specific provisions um can I ask a question before we keep going for sure is there a reason we don't just specifically call out solar energy systems ground mounted as not permitted yes cuz uh in our use table we only have the terms permitted conditional we don't actually say not permitted um it also gets a little bit tricky because then if something is kind of sort of similar to something it gets confusing um but I did specifically talk about that in 129 96a to try and make sure that it was clear um that no ground mounted solar energy systems or solar parking lot shade structures are allowed I added it there so it wasn't not in the code it just I didn't really feel comfortable putting it into use table because we don't have other uses in the use table that are not permitted um if something's not permitted any place in the city it's just not listed in the code itself and that's how most used tables are prepared in cities is that we don't list what's not allowed because then if you're not on the list and you're not if you're not allowed and you're not on the not permitted list then there's room for someone to say that they should be allowed because you didn't put them on the on the prohibited list does that make sense I feel like I'm doing a lot of double negatives so if that's confusing I know um so I'm just wondering because there's one thing that's not on here is if it's attached to like the building but not the roof like the side of the like the side of the house which I've actually seen yeah so what do we think about that is that the one that you've seen is that something that we would want so we would yeah so we yeah I was somewhere recently and some on the side of the house too I saw it on Highway 12 when I was driving West they big huge solar panels are mounted like directly on the south side of their house okay so I can add a statement that says in that same section that solar energy systems cannot be attached directly to the wall a structure does that cover it I think so yeah what about got to be on the roof yes solar dock systems solar what docks you know solar systems on boat docks is that a thing yeah so they have panels that charge the battery for electric oh for the boats for the boats oh I have I have one I guess I feel like that's different but I understand what you're saying I can care it's the dock it's on the dock it actually charges the battery Elric in the water no it's above the just like a little square about like that okay some mared the dock some moed to little the Box well I mean it's the same thing as if I have a little solar light and I have a little pan on top of my little solar light right I mean it's kind of the same idea or light poles that have solar to capture the light do we have a concern about that well we got a couple people who have them it's a real efficient way to keep your boat you R lated power line nonregulated issue I mean you know it's like it's like having a a lift on your dock you regulate that yeah I what I struggle with is just the idea the difference in like what it's powering you know right is there anything in here that defines it's the solar energy is for the house just right that's what I'm yeah buildings buildings is a dock a building what do we care where the electricity goes as long as the thing is on the roof but to her comment you know you have the solar light pass s lights in your Pathways I mean we can write an exception in here that those don't aren't qualified under this I'm just saying this is this is specifically round solar that's going into the house main panel of your electricity system or if you have extra you're returning it back to the grid I agree with you it's just there is that confusion if those other things exist and I wasn't aware I don't live on a lake I was not aware of the connection between the lifts and solar why in removal number two yes it solar energy systems must be removed and properly disposed of if they are out of production for more than one year now does that mean if I've bought a unit that goes on my roof is conforming and a year from now that company goes out of business and are not manufacturing those anymore I have to take mine down no and that word obviously needs to be changed that needs to get fixed yep we can do that um if they are out of use so that means if you put it on there and you're not actively using it or the building goes for sale yeah so it's like the idea of energy production if it's no longer using to do energy production y but I understand what you were saying is the other example so we need to fix do you want to put a time limit on that within 6 months it has to be removed within 90 days within 9 months um because they say well I'll remove it I'm getting to it yeah I'll get to it oh I'm on vacation I'll get to it I understand what you mean I was just reading trying to figure out where I'd put it cuz that's like six months or something yeah yeah it's just that sentence that's a that's a commonly used thing for things in building Cod yep I will just probably put a second sentence okay thank you yeah no these are all this is why you're here it's hard enough to get to the first dra it's good to have people look at it right you have to have it taken on other elements probably concerns summarize what I heard put some some exception language in there maybe we can add something maybe an e exceptions to this shall not this sh shall not cover yeah I think so all-encompassing type thing yep so summary of what I heard okay what' you hear I heard not allowed to be attached on a wall of a structure that's part of a part of removal changing the word production so not in use and the time frame is it has to be removed within 6 months and then we need some type of exceptions that identifies like a solar dock lift or solar Rel to lights those kind of smaller scale solar unit smaller scale units flag poles flags that are really used for energy production building energy production that's the kind of one what I seen the word to use is portable yeah that's what I've seen other so I don't that works or is there a definition you can do for solar energy system that's converting it by an inverter to 11 we were getou yep that I will have to look at you can't have it over all you've heard all of the changes that Rita just reiterated the anybody have any other changes they'd like to suggest okay then are we comfortable with a motion um to recommend approval with the changes that have been identified by reader so motion to approve the proposed code changes for solar energy system has written and include the changes from that was great we have a second second we have a second we have further discussion hearing none those in favor signify by saying I I I those oppos name motion carries let's move on to electric vehicle Chargers all right electric vehicle charges you would think this would be simpler that complicated fast didn't it if you look in your rear view mirror the car behind you is a Tesla trust me wow I do feel like that these days um so we have added a number of different definitions um charging levels what an electric vehicle is electric vehicle charging stations electric vehicle service equipment um I was trying to get rid of some of them but it felt like we needed to it's a little hopefully it's not as confusing if you will keep talking about it but we we are showing it aloud in any of the districts um we do have separate Provisions between um single family and two family and twin home residents versus town homes and the reason for that is generally single family two family uh residents are you would normally have that in your garage it's kind of a personal type of preference so we wanted to have standards different between those two bodies because you're you're typically not talking about that relative to uh parking space so the first one is just saying um that they should have it in a garage on the exterior wall of the home or garage or on a freestanding pole um and that's it we don't have additional standards for those types of uses and then if we have uh any electric vehicle Supply equipment serving residential structures with three or more units or non-residential then we have additional standards so I these should be what we talked about before the idea that they're Ada meeting Ada require ments um that they're not trying that they're not trying to that they won't trip on pedestrians or impede travel on sidewalks um trying to not encroach on the dimensions of the parking space so we have a minimum size and we don't want these to be placed such that you don't have the minimum size anymore and are causing the vehicle to hang out anymore um designed to minimize damage by accidents um signage I was debating this one whether it should be posted to indicate that it's only for electric vehicle charging or not I I definitely debated it I took it out then I put it back in so that's what I normally see yeah yeah I normally see it but if you don't require a minimum that's kind of feels like it could be up to the discretion of the person to want to sign it um but I left it in because I thought we wanted to say that you could sign it and that's an easy way of doing it well the person driving the electric vehicle who pulls up and finds a non electric vehicle in that parking spot is not going to be a happy camper very true um site lighting we say that it should be provided if it's for daytime purposes only you we could that I've seen that in different ways and then just the idea that you have to keep it maintained um there are many many other standards I was trying to simplify it down as a starting point for us if you have certain ideas or things that you think are missing certainly there are other examples in cities that actually require these have many more standards but I believe my understanding was we were just going to make it clear that you could have them but we're not requiring them to occur at this stage we had kind of put that on the side where we' study it a little bit more and come back but we wanted to get some language in the code right now so happy if there's things I should clarify um or if I can make this simpler in some way it's always a little confusing between electric vehicle Supply equipment and the actual spaces are a little interesting um but happy to make it better I'm having difficulty thinking about a station that is only for daylight does that mean you can't use it if it's night time it could be if you had the kind of commercial if you had more of a commercial station and you didn't want people parking in your lot at night and using it I'm we can just do a supermarket or something like that that we we can just do sight lighting as required I think this provides someone I'd say sight lighting is required that's one yeah yep cross out other thoughts so I had a question what's why are we have the definition of electric vehicle charging station in here we are using it in two and three two and three yeah b 2 and three oh it is a little weird CU I was trying to decide sometimes if I should use station or equipment but equipment is really the installation part and the station is the parking space that has the charger so that's why I have both but if I can get rid of it I and just calling it in the table electrical electric vehicle charging takes both of them well because you're then going to the section 207 where it says electric vehicle charging but if you think that's unclear I certainly can change it I could put electric vehicle I I think the reason I was hesitating on calling it a station is when you're putting it in your single family home it's probably people don't feel like it probably is a station anymore M right so that's I think where I was having the issue using that word as the terminology but again I think you could use station I I don't think there's going to be a problem okay I can do that that's not or you could do station and equipment I mean even one in your garage could be considered station equipment whatever is clear to the general public is great so then I have I guess I have a question then is yeah the station mean a single space a single public or private parking space mhm so that do you have to have a sign signage for each station each each public each spot yes or a state or a sign in between them that shows the two arrows down but you have to show something that you know that those electric vehicles I think I'm seeing a sign each I've seen a sign on each most of the time that's what I've seen but I don't think I'd be opposed if you had a sign between the two spaces and pointed I like the one with the two arrows okay other suggestions for Rita okay we have some changes that have been suggested I have electric vehicle charging station as the use and getting rid of the lighting charging for daytime purposes only out the only two I wrote down so I guess I have one more sure since we just talked about removal of solar equipment yes if the charging station is no longer operational do we want to put remov by a certain time frame in there sure do we want similar language I think so yep I'll bring over this the same similar language that'sa make it maybe make a five yep do we know if minspect is developing or adhering to some kind of code around the installation of these things as well just wondering do we need to reference them as like the governing body over installation methods or I don't think so because they they are the governing either them or the fire are always the governing body over pretty much everything that happens in this city that is building related do you think so what's that installation of electric vehicle charging stations you would talk to the Chief and or minspect when it comes up to make sure that it adhere to the electrical code and the building code and the fire code for um charging station installation that's where I think it would start yeah so I don't think we need to because we don't in other places of the code like we don't reference that because that's inherent I do know that uh there is discussion in fire department circles about them being installed inside of buildings um that's why the fire chief might get involved but it's just a it's not related to Zone like installed in a building do you mean like in a garage like if it was apartment building with a lower underground parking and they put it there's some concern by some fire departments in cities that I'm working with out those just not making sure that they're installed correctly because there is a concern that if a electric vehicle catches fire they're a lot harder to go out they take hours and hours to go out instead of so the risk to the property upstairs yeah but they haven't they're not Banning it they're right being more careful with it we should just as a maybe as a before we get to thing is is have it looked by the electrical inspector inspect and the fire chief yep okay we've had some suggestions to reita she has written them down chair would entertain a motion to approve the uh electric vehicle charging station uh [Music] I'll motion to approve the uh electrical vehicle charging station requirements as written with the notes discussed and and recorded by Rita second we have Motion in second further discussion hearing none all those in favor signify by saying I IE oppose nay motion carried all right also in this topic are some introductions for other topics um I know that when we met in the joint meeting there was discussion about other topics that we may want to cover we probably will take a pause on those while we do with the two topics that we're going to talk about tonight as an introduction um the reason that we decided to do the introduction is that we know that these are coming forward um and we wanted to at least give you a a grounding um before you see them um one of them the Cannabis is going to actually move um at a faster Pace than we normally have because of because of things that happened in the legislature this year um and then the signage one we've actually been working on on and off but it there's become just given the development that's happening it would be nice if that one was put into place um and so that was really a staff-led item that we wanted to tackle um but uh that will be something that we will meet with you about so as I said I'm going to just cover the two as an introduction and then I'll kind of talk through how we're going to step through the process so cannabis um that one is really related to State legislation um in two in 2023 the Minnesota Legislature approved expanded legalization of THC cannabis products and cannabis businesses which includes hemp um they established a new office of cannabis management uh generally called ocm there was new licensing and Zoning requirements and sales were expected to begin in 2025 um this is something that staff has been monitoring but because of the nature of the city um we haven't had to do do a lot with it yet and we were planning on doing stuff in the summer and fall um however uh in the 2024 legislature they actually changed the rule at the last well to us it felt like at the last minute but they changed the rule and so actually there are cannabis businesses uh social Equity ones that can actually apply for a lure in July with uh availability in August um which moves up the time frame and so now we feel like we need to have rules in place so that we have rules that say where they can go uh in the city and how registration is so originally we were planning on tackling this in the spring or summer to fall now we're having to move up our time frame and we want to have it done in July which is why we wanted to introduce it tonight with the knowledge that we won't be doing kind of our normal here's the information what do you think here's the the rule you know what do you think go to the council it'll be we're going to come back to you in July here's what the City attorney wrote we're hoping that you will recommend its adoption and the council will see it in July so it's in place before those new licenses are going to become available um so starting in August Minnesota residents over 21 can use cannabis flow and products on their private property and it events license specifically for on-site consumption and they can have up to eight cannabis plants inside their residences without a permit this is not related to the permitting the permitting is related primarily to the actual businesses um and there are different levels of this um so the kind of this is foundational some elements are going to be really taking all of this is going to be overseen by the City attorney um obviously Sarah and I will provide insights onto the districts and locations from a zoning perspective some things you will see some things will go directly to the city council some things you can't regulate some things you can so obviously we will provide you information on the things you can regulate some things are just state law um these are all the different types of businesses that potentially can be regulated I don't I just show you so that you're not surprised next month if we have a definition for every single one of those businesses because we're going to have to make sure our code covers all the different types of businesses that could have um could uh occur in the city and this isn't meant to scare you this is something that's been going around city's been talking about it's just a matter of we need to actually put some information together um as it develops Community I think are a little bit different than in other communities meaning we don't have agricultural fields that we're worried about cannabis production we don't have large industrial uh areas where people might buy big industrial businesses to put in like we're in a different spot but we still need to have regulations so um it isn't something that we're overly concerned about but we do want to have things in place before um the newest folks can have license share um we cannot do a deao ban on cannabis or hemp businesses and there are differences in the legislation between cannabis and hemp and what you can do um we can have reasonable regulations on time place manner of retail sales manufacturing cultivation standards that we can look at are things like zoning districts setbacks buffers signage odors hours of operation um so from a zoning perspective a lot of those things we would cover there's also the ability to do registration um and licensure and that's something that the city council will handle so that's going to be you know we provide you information but that's really not where the city uh where the Planning Commission weighs in the Planning Commission weighs in on zoning districts and where things should be allowed um so we can require setbacks up to 1,000 ft from schools up to 500 ft from daycares playgrounds athletic fields there's hours of operation that the city can impose um they can be you can see from 10:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. um 10: p.m. 10: a.m. on Sundays we can actually do regulations that limit to 9:00 p.m. every day of the week though they could go till 2:00 a.m. on Saturdays and Sundays according to state law so there's a little bit of flexibility not a lot of flexibility to how we can move forward um currently we can license edible canono project products but then that'll transfer once ocm actually is up and going um and this is where this is more just information for you but really this is something the city council will deal with um um cities can have to allow uh one business per 12,500 residents um however there's some discussion about how it works with countywide um and whatever is allowed countywide can impact the city of Mound this is where the City attorney is the expert on how that all works um and will'll be the one that kind of leads that part of it um and as I said social Equity applicants can begin cultivation early cultivation this Su summer so we're planning on having the rules created in July so that they can be adopted by the city council and we can have that in place originally we were figuring we would do it the end of the year and they'd be ready by January 1st and part of the reason for that is that the legislature directed The Office of cannabis management to create a model ordinance that cities could use it's not created yet it's in process the there's a meeting I know tomorrow with a bunch of planners um to look at it and we know the City attorney has been involved with it as well so we have things we can work off of we were just kind of waiting for those things to be in place before we worked with you because that makes a lot of sense for some cities are much more ahead of the curve because they have more potential um than we do um other things well what is social Equity thank you I was going to ask I feel like I'm at a disconnect so thank you for asking I was going to ask that too I'm just trying to figure it out these are people who were he knows convicted right I believe they were people that were previously convicted and then they would be because they in order to kind of equalize that they are allowed to have early application for it what it I I still don't know if I'm tracking with this yeah so but we'll convict this so I get earlier because we changed the rules and we now are all early applications to to grow in yeah it's just growing right cultivating is just growing yes um have we heard any chatter the city that we know that there's someone who would be thinking about and planning to do this or is it just the the push because this change happened I'm just curious recently and now we're just trying to accommodate it so we were always planning on accommodating it it's just the time L the timeline move forward because we don't want to have something that's available before we have information about where it should go I guess I'm just curious to know has the city had anyone I think that I would say Sarah can correct me like there's inquiries but it seemed like the kind of inquiries that they're sending to everybody to kind of see where different cities are at where the best place would be to get into but I don't think we have more information about the inquiries that we've received our in your document you have the City attorney will be preparing zoning code changes for us to consider is that correct that is correct at the July meeting there will be specific zoning code changes which Sarah and I will work with um and this is one of those cases similar to other types of uses where the City attorney attorney's direction is probably something that staff will be highly Weighing on because of the fact that this is a legislative act from the state and there's a lot of rules and you don't want to be um in violation of those rules so obviously we'll answer questions we can provide it but this isn't one where there's a lot of discretion especially given how our city is organized and we can't prohibit it totally so like we can't have 1,000 ft from every school playground every place there's youthz there would be no place left and so we're going to have to consciously think of that kind of element so but I was confused because it said if a city has 12,500 you must have allow one but we're not that big so we don't so that means you have to allow you have to have one that's how I read it we would have to have one if you're under that population you still have to have one that's right but you don't have to have more you can allow more okay but um depending on how it works with the county so there's County provisions and City provisions and um but at the very minimum it says you have to allow one and there is also um this does talk about I kind of skipped over it is that if you have decide to operate a municipal like at the liquor store that they sell cannabis then that can factor into things as well so but again that's licensing and registration which is separate than zoning so what you'll be asked to do is where should this be allowed are there other Are there specific zoning standards we want to do because of this is this and the list of businesses yep and so there'll be a list of businesses each business has a definition I didn't give them to you because it's you know you'll see it but it's the whole list every def every business has a definition of what it is there's a use table similar to what you've been seeing that all those businesses here's where we might allow them then we'll have a section that says here are the standards in terms of having an operating one of those there might be hours of operation there might be something about um location there might be setbacks those types of things so if you have concerns it would be great to hear them so we can communicate those to the City attorney so I'm not trying to say that we shouldn't have a conversation whatever the concerns are it' be great to talk about them and convey them to them and then we would know is that something we can really do about or not because there will be some limits you know this for from a planers perspective this is similar to adult use telecommunications these are are topics that federal or state have made decisions about and the cities have parameters under which to work to us this is similar to that where there's all these legislations and we just try and figure out the best course forward given what another body has decided you can and cannot regulate well and I think well one thank you I appreciate the introduction because I feel like I'm behind the curve and I'm going to have to do a little bit we have to do a little bit of homework before July to kind of understand some of this this um but I also I mean I do I appreciate you giving us the introduction cuz I think there's some stuff that I'd like to just review and research myself but I think the whole topic is kind of the Wild Wild West right now so I mean obviously something like this I think is good that the City attorney is going to kind of take the charge on that and and and yeah I I think it's an interesting topic yes yes it is and I know um there's been discussion I mean who knows it's new for Minnesota I know that there's planners in my FL gates are open and everyone trying to you know and and had conversations and in some places uh it depends on the regulations it has and like I think there's a lot of concern but some of those concerns haven't played out it's the unknowns that are really tough for folks but and I still think it's kind of a taboo topic I think there's a lot of people in the communities that probably you know like I said I have to do my own homework to figure it out so that I don't have those personal biases when it does come to us and we say you know how does this look from a land use perspective is it good for our community does it meet the comp plan you know I think there's a lot of things that will be charged with looking at and reviewing that that again I think it's a a topic that's been illegal for so little taboo you know you just nobody knows how they feel about it you know correct and I think it it's it could be twofold it could be a great opportunity to bring more business here a business owner right and I know one of my planners uh that works in my office has has been working with a city that's in Michigan and the problem is I don't know what their rules are versus ours right you think about Oregon or californ I mean everybody has different rules so who knows he was saying that they're they have had this for a while and they've actually for them it's worked out okay they've had more businesses and they're a tourist destination so it became a I'm not saying that that's what you want so every city is going to have a different impact from it jump off your bike bu your Stu new senior's facility right glaucoma like let's fix it yes no I'm not the information you put up here I don't see it in the packet I didn't cuz we were putting together as background info s and it literally came up came the day that yeah the day we're putting packet together can we access this we'll we'll send it to you oh that' be great and if there's anything else I mean there might be some League stuff that we can that I have yeah I have some League stuff that there's you say leaked stuff leag Le Minnesota cities is US leaked like leaked it from the what do we get League of Minnesota cities is a really good resource for most things related to planning and zoning and so when in default it's a good thing to type in League of Minnesota cities on your topic and they usually have primers or background information about topics they do a really nice job thanks I appreciate it like I said got a little homework to do the city can sell it in the back of the city Liquor Store can have a counter back there yep I heard today from one of my colleagues um who's working in another city and they have a municipal liqu like you do but they said the city administrator was thinking o it's a lot of work so we'll have to r on paperwork and doing the reg just like all the rules and all the things you have to do so I don't know if that's super Mound it's a smaller City so it might be more but it'll be interesting to see how this evolves over the next uh 3 to six months everything kind of has to be in place okay we have further information or further discussion on this no it's coming back in July yeah July at our second our July 2nd meeting it'll be on your agenda yes okay let's move on to signage did commissioner Young have a question yeah this is just recreational it's not medicinal um medical medicinal is in here is that slightly different in times of the the rules and so that's why you can see on this list there's all the Cannabis stuff then there's a lower potency hemp which some of that has already been allowed for a while um and then there's the medicinal so that's why there's different classes and each one has their different rules and not something I'm an expert on telling you what the different rules are for the different El well that's a good point you you bring up a good point because medicinal marijuana has been very highly regulated and U I don't know how does it fold into this yes and in July we're going to have a zoning code and we'll have more information big samples here we go that part I can do Rita yes sir do are like 10 set spear to the lakes or food trucks encompassed in any of the bullet points here so it's really interesting in um yeah not exactly but there is a part of the rule and I uh just a second I was going to get the exact wording uh and this is from the league where was that the new law authorizes temp orary cannabis events lasting no more than 4 days applicants must obtain any necessary permits or licenses issued by the local unit of government cities may not prohibit cannabis events but they may set standards to which the event must adhere and cities may also permit on-site consumption for events but are not required to so it is something that the cities like a cannabis fesal Woodstock that's part of what the city is going to have to wrestle with okay now um the City attorney will kind of be leading that conversation I'm not sure if all of that's getting decided in July or if we're trying to address the one part that is starting early and then we'll work towards the other that's one of the things that we'll have more information about as we try and figure out what needs to be done by when so that everything's in place in time before the rules are in play because other than the social Equity applicants everything else is January 1st 2025 so there's only one part of it that's early but that one part of it does affect you because that would be more about zoning yeah and we don't have anything today correct so certain fresh okay okay any any other comments or questions regarding cannabis signage signage so signage is something um that you hear about I think as we do development applications but you don't spend as much time in part of the reason is it's in chapter 119 and not in chapter 129 in zoning however signage does refer to our zoning districts and so it is old it predates all of the changes that we've made including even the existence of the mixed juuse districts it still references the peed district for those that have been around for a long time the destination District the linear District so we need to update it um because it references our current zoning districts um also there was a Supreme Court case uh Reed versus the town of Gilbert um and that rule said that cities cannot regulate the content of a sign meaning I if I have to read said sign to say whether or not you're allowed and how big it should be that's not allowed so that is a big change and will it will probably be more challenging for Sarah and administration than you all um because it's a big change in terms of how the code currently reads is we have regulations for garage sales signs for real um real estate signs for political signs we have signage rules that are based on how what the purpose of the sign and that all has to go away and we have to make it much simpler but it also makes it more complicated because we all probably agree that garage sale signs are fine but we don't really want just any old sign sitting out there on a regular basis but we no longer can make that distinction hopefully that makes sense so we can regulate signs based on the type meaning is it a temporary sign is a permanent sign we can regulate based on size height we can regulate the placement of it and some design features like motion illumination we can regulate it different between the different zoning districts um but again we can't regulate it based on you know we like your business we don't like that person's business it all has to be the same you can't regulate what it says cannot regulate basically yes our general Mantra to ourselves is if I have to read the sign to know how to tell you where it can go then that's not allowed now there are some exceptions which I'll talk about here cuz I'm going to break that rule almost immediately um before we get into it we just wanted to cover these are the different types of signs that we'll be talking about pylon signs window signs wall signs property identification signs so ones that have numbers um projecting signs awning signs Banner signs ground Banner signs you can see there's a ton of types of signs um some of these you have some of these you don't have so some of these we may not actually um include in the code some of them we not so like the ground Banner sign that's kind of a newish type of sign the code currently doesn't really talk about that um so that's something that we may add into the code to T to try and address that so that's the one that are like the fabric ones that get stuck in the ground um instead of the banner signs we don't really see as many Banner signs anymore we see these fabric flag type signs those are more common um so those are all the kinds of signs that we're going to have to talk about um those are the terminologies we can include the pictures so you'll have this next time as well um but we have these to try and um help illuminate or explain what the different types of sign is did you have a question it almost look like you had a question no okay you answered it all right oh okay um so we can have prohibited signs exempt signs and I'm going to talk through those just as a foundation so again similar to cannabis this is we don't deal with signage a lot usually you approve the project and then later on Sarah and I review the signage and approved the signage on occasion when you see a development we might mention the fact they're going to have a monument sign they're going to have a projection sign but again you're not deep into it but we're going to be making changes so we would like to use you as the sounding board to try and say does this make sense what are the questions and there are going to be some decisions that have to be made because of the fact that we can't do things how we have um it gets to be a little bit funny on trying to regulate certain signs um and things have changed modernized window signs are definitely different than they used to be before you know now the decals are really easy to get on and off so there are conversations we've had in other cities about all those new kind of ways that you can do signage and what do you think is appropriate not appropriate um so prohibited signs typical ones that we do I this is actually reflecting of what's in the code mostly with some additions so off- premis signs or Billboards um you can actually regulate off- premis signs so that means off premise meaning something that's promoting something that that use of that parcel is not on that parcel so if you're doing a billboard you're promoting something for some other business you don't really have those in tongue because you've been we don't allow it you don't allow it you can continue not allow it there's actually a separate court case about those signs and it still says we can continue to do that motion signs meaning signs that move you don't allow that um signs painted on the roof walls or other surfaces kind of you know the not looking nice signs those kind of things that being said if we do allow murals murals are a whole different thing and there's a whole section we can put if we actually want to have that conversation uh because murals are not signs they're two separate things um because you can't regulate the content of a sign so you have to be careful because if you want to allow murals you do want to regulate the content of a mural so there is a way around it so a mural is not a sign if we want to regulate the content of what a mural looks like we have to make it not a sign and there's a way around doing it right now you just I would say you don't allow them it hasn't come up I don't think we have any we used to have one we don't have one anymore um Tom fluke you know it you know the whole building was kind of a mural so if we want to have that we have written Provisions for murals currently you don't have it um things that obstruct ESS or in traffic roof or portable signs there are some Provisions that allow them on a limited basis but otherwise they're prohibited um exempt signs so that's another class of signage those are things that don't require permits or fees so property identification signs which are very specifically identified as things that have the numbers you know your numbers for your building that's a property identification sign you can do warning or restrictive signs like no trespass ing that is allowed because it's a safety element so that's the one time you can have a Content based sign is for things like stop no trespassing those kinds of things um signs put up by a governmental unit um signs on the interior building that can't be seen outside uh we just put that in there so there's Clarity that we're not going to regulate those uh right now I believe the code says window signs not exceeding 50% I don't think we add that that's in the code so that one works except for we have found and doing our work that we've needed to be a little bit more specific given decals and branding and so I will bring that in as part of the conversation if that makes sense like sometimes nowadays you don't just do you know whatever the local pizza shop it's like the pizza shop plus all the branding that's all the way around the bu building is that the sign so we have to just clarify that um and then exempt temporary signs meaning a sign that we don't require regulations about but is not intended to be there all the time um properties with an open building permit or something that's for sale or rent that's covering real estate signs without saying real estate signs uh signs for garage sales open houses um Sandwich Board signs portable signs so these are all things that we have to address it's amazing how much there is for signage which is why Sarah and I have been avoiding it um but we need to talk about it permanent versus temporary so things that are done there permanently temporary signs how long can temporary signs be there do they need a permit so some signs we wouldn't require permit for some you might require permit for um digital displays murals enforcement and permitting and then sign calculations I was hoping to work with Sarah on putting some graphics that explain how to calculate a sign cuz I know on a few of the shopping centers there's been kind of questions about how we calculate is this included is this not included so sometimes the graphics can help to make it a little bit clear about is it just the sign face is it the part in between the sign it's amazing how very specific it needs to be um so that's what's coming for signage probably not not probably you will get a finished sign code you will not see track changes because of the nature of all the changes we need to make it'll just be a straightforward here's what's proposed because there's a lot of moving around that has to happen there's a lot of terminology that goes away when we have to make it content neutral um so that one so that'll be a repeal and replace rather than strike out underline and then we'll go through substantively what's changed and this one does not have a time frame so the reason we're bringing it up today is because we have the time today to do the introduction we will make it fit in when it makes sense to fit in cannabis will have priority and then signage will come after but it is important for us to do it because right now we're working off of a sign code that references districts that don't exist and it's not been the easiest to administer as we work through with folks it's not impossible but it would be easier if we could clean it up and have a complete sign code that folks can use and reference okay further questions for Rita about signage they're stunned blazed over eyes which is okay another topic for me to learn about yeah I never realized how little I actually pay attention to or or know of signage until you just showed me two screens that had more sign types than I think I've ever seen in my life so yes more homework thank you yeah I'll pay attention to signs as I'm driving around get a feel for it it is one of those things that is amazing how much it is in our environment but we don't pay attention to it that's the one thing about planning and zoning right like now that you have this awareness you drive every place and you start to look at things and go how did they do why did they do that how come that property so I mean you can't stop once you start okay moving on city council report C anything I have a couple of things um you know we started our city council meeting starting at 6:00 last week and we had a full so us out and it worked out great we did have a full excent we were done at what little after eight yeah so it was really nice for you know on the council we don't have a lot of full-timers that may be challenged with that time so it worked out really great for for us excuse me um the Minnesota Lakes Bank annual shred days is Thursday June 13th from 2 to 5 and although it's free they do gracious graciously accept donations for the Minnesota Lakes Bank scholarship fund that's June 13 from 2 to 5 shredding so like shredding paper shredding they're doing shredding document shred shred many things yeah paper hard drives uhhuh computers I'm not sure about hard drives paper so you could make a donation you they encourage donations okay yes music in the park starts at Surf Side next Thursday also the 13th with Chris Kelly um the other performances will be Thursday July 11th with panhandler Street drum band and Thursday August 8th Pandora's other box cute name yeah they're good too um Sarah you might have a little more info on this but at our meeting last week Jesse did indicate that they have hired a new Public Works um director and um they seem really happy with the selection I think they were going to start in the next week or two is that correct I've not heard yet okay I think Jesse said in the next week or two that person will be starting a week or two yeah and then um we have some upcoming uh workshops prior to Council meetings on June 11th it's the just Deeds racial covenants um Workshop we have somebody coming in apparently we have maybe 300 homes that still have some of those aric covenants on them and somebody's going to talk about releasing those covenants off the houses IA no idea what you're talking about what is wrong know like I feel kind on everything Rita you probably know a lot about this do you want to describe it you might be a little more accurate than me I don't know I haven't had to talk about it in a while I know but it's suddenly come up so okay um so historically racial covenants were created after after the time that it was determined to be illegal that cities could racially segregate using zoning so at at in an earlier time it was easy to use zoning and different components of zoning to make sure you got people in the right places at a certain point in our history it was determined illegal so what developers did in order to protect themselves is that they actually put racial covenants in the deed restrictions and so it said you cannot sell this house to whatever group it was Jewish black pick your group it only can be sold to white people there's different ones in different ways it's very um so there's been a project in the Twin Cities to identify where these are and to start seeing about removing them so that they AR just cleaning up language cleaning and language in the deed and it does take action in order to do that um I wasn't aware that it came all the way out here I'm not surprised but there's been a group that's really been working on that um probably where I first heard about it and thought about it was really in Minneapolis I mean if you look um while you guys talk I might be able to that that's when they use the term redlining y I was going to say redlining um that's kind of what that is and there are maps and I might be able to get it while you guys talk um to show you exactly kind of what that looks like for Minneapolis because there's a group that Maps them I've seen presentations in duth there's actually a really cute little YouTube video about what red lining is um that explains kind of what they were and what they were about and so that's well there's somebody at the high school who's been talking about this for years and this is old I mean from the 1800s I think it's the early 1900s 1900 so they've been around for a long time um and apparently there's going to be somebody coming to the council Workshop who are one of the teams that work on identifying these and I think we had over 300 properties that still they're hidden most people don't know anything about they had that language mhm I can't believe that that's crazy to me that was a long time ago is that Workshop open to the public or is it just the council uh I think you know what that's a good question I'll have to check for you but usually they're open for I just think it's interesting and if it was something that was open I might attend CU again I got a lot of homework to do after tonight but why not just add a third topic right um and then June 18th there it's uh we've got a aer's Ellers financial management plan presentation some other findes they've come up with for you know how we can maybe do some franch franchise feed adjustments things like that we've talked about this for a long time and then June 25th we're going to be discussing possibly finding if there's a reason to replace oral police coverage with Min Trista that's just on a conversation block so we'll be talking about that and that's all I've got tonight if you want I can show you that when is Surfside Park the new park well when it stops raining I mean you know all the pieces go pretty fast once it stops raining I just had a lot of people ask me about I'm like I don't know well they've been help probably not but you know they that's what they do for their life it's putting up playground equipment so that'll go quick but it's been tough weather well some people are like is it going to be done by Spirit of lakes I'm like I don't I assume so well that was the plan it's going to be tough mother nature thank you if you would like I can show you at least the an example from Minneapolis Oh there's actually I know why said I just got done going through the covenants and I think excels here too so okay oh I can do it if you want I just didn't want to do it though so I'm actually getting a map going on my other screen um so this is an example of the wording so this one says you can't uh give you can't transfer to anybody of Chinese Japanese moish Turkish negro Mongolian or African blood or descent these are restri and what happened was eventually the FHA with home buying they actually created these maps and if you had a racial Covenant then it was shown as a better area and it was used by the federal government to help with funding for loans because they were considered more secure um and so these are very common to have back in the 1930s where they have these maps and it would show areas like I think this one probably in blue is showing where the racial covenants are more in play and that's where the white population was living and then you can see the different areas and the rder that it is the more undesirable the location is and they tried to keep people segregated into those areas um and then there's a group called mapping Prejudice edu um and this is a map the time lapse is working where it shows the racial covenants and as their um coming on Li so that's showing all the racial covenants that they found I believe it's all the ones they found so far the two CI so you can see so these are all now illegal correct having a racial Covenant yep well technically it's illegal to do this however these are already on D so you you actually still need to take them off technically um which is why there's all these initiatives to try and take them off is they are part of the deed so technically you could say they're not enforcable but I you know it's the safest thing is to take them off so that it's not a concern um but you can read more about it on that type of um so it's been in around the original website I had was from 2020 um so it's definitely been something that's been talked about and as they it just takes time to pull all the Deeds out and see who has it and figure those things out Samantha on Thursday of this week they'll be posting for the workshop in the city council meeting and so you can look I'll usually they're public so they all are public uh but sometimes you meet in there when the maybe you'll meet in here you know you can check with Jesse I will yeah okay um Sarah anything from you um uh I I reiterate U Miss mcad uh talked about music in the park that's starting a week from Thursday at Surfside hopefully it'll start raining pretty soon um uh as we talked about earlier the July 2nd meeting uh is the meeting will we that we will have the uh cannabis hearing we also have anticipated a couple of land use applications that are uh determining if they're complete so we could have a couple of projects as well uh spirit of the Lakes is upcoming next month uh July 18th through the 20th uh the farmers market started in Mound on the 25th of May um and we just got the application today for carp Fest uh that'll be on next uh Tuesday carp just to be clear y yep it's a a music uh concert fundraiser event for Harrison's Bay Association and it's being held on Saturday June 15th um and I they have a website uh and they have a Facebook page but they'll get their permit uh on the council's agenda for consideration next Tuesday um that's all I have we're we're actively busy I I feel like I'm swimming under the water but we're doing the best we can so I saw that that Serenity Hill is coming back up now again the yes the council had an introduction at their last meeting um of a proposed uh project in Mound for the M the mound piece as well as uh a companion project in the city of Minnetrista um the council introduction uh was is basically kind of a sketch plan where uh the public that uh uh live within 350 ft and the council can hear about a concept before applications are filed um you I encourage you watch the watch the Youtube was it two meetings ago car was last week oh yes two meetings ago so does the mound component of it come here the to the Planning Commission yeah no it it's a council it's no no when they actually propose the project yes you will see it yeah that's what you're asking whether you're going to see the plat yes yes yes you will see the plat when it comes through did it it sounded like they said the Minista side was already approved by the Council on Minista they they also did a concept plan or a sketch plan um at the Planning Commission I think they went to both Planning Commission Council and Council and they may have gone to Parks too a minut Trista I think they operate differently there's might have been a concept sketch plan they yeah yeah but they they don't have approvals they it was basically an informal review by the Trista side as which was done before they came to the mounts side oh the council had concerns that the minri side was all single family and then all of a sudden you get to Mound and it's all row houses y you know so hopefully they're going to be going back to the drawing board before they and before it shows up here yeah and they also they they also had a side by a couple side by sides or several side by sides in the Trista um the thought was they wanted some of the council members thought that it would be nice to to see similar Dynamics and intermixing you know you know look at perhaps um side by sides and some some uh single families as well and then there was the the talk about the driveway road down to the hill because of the grade to take another look at that um but they um but they they took those comments and they're evaluating what they heard so Mound has approval Authority of the component of it in Mound correct only on the mountain side yes yes Mounds is Mound just like the yes the plan that never came off that we right Ser time I'm looking at here yes yep so the serenity project we had the bound had the 10 unit building and had a accessory building and then the Minista had a companion project that I think had six or seven 10 unit buildings so similar but each in their own cities okay anything else from you you mention oh go ahead the wrong project yes yes oh oh oh yeah yeah it was a council introduction so yeah we we also had another Council introduction um at the last council meeting uh for a proposed um project involving uh Parcels along the west side of Lost Lake that would be three 4unit buildings um along the east side of Commerce uh and that concept was proposed by Jim ghouly and Carl Runk uh in addition uh the the proposed uh Flats would also have companion uh docks uh shared with the apartment complex a little bit further down uh towards downtown that would be accessed via a board boardwalk in and around the wetlands so what Parcels are there now that you're talking about getting rid of we call it the fness property I think it's 24420 Commerce Boulevard it's right across from o you the the building that's been under our lady the lake and then on part of the property they have a little gray looks like a shed yeah garage type thing it's so it's it's not the building building that's been trying to beod that's the next one down if it to the right correct it's a it's basically it feels like a there's just basically a shed on the two properties it doesn't feel it just feels open so is that proposal going to come here when the if applications would come to the Planning Commission for land use uh as well as subdivision and that would be a PUD so it'll be a PUD uh with a subdivision so a public hearing here and a public hearing at the council as well in addition to other uh related activities as well and then the library is coming in has come in so that will be something be see in the next yeah the library application came in it's under review um so we anticipate that could come as early as July is that replacement on the same property same place okay y same site same site new uh new new building and site plan and it's really beautiful they've been they they have a website too wow been working really hard with the community to get feedback for the last year and it's really going to be nice okay anything else Sarah that is all I have all right oh I'm sorry dates yes thank you I'm sorry um uh uh just as a reminder the July July 2nd meeting remember that that is a couple days before the 4th of July is there anybody that knows that they're not going to be available because we are going to have a very potentially a full agenda okay then in August we don't have the first Tuesday right we have August 20 20 yes because that was changed earli in the year for for night to un are adjusted accordingly that was changed earlier this year and just quickly Sarah if you could remember to send us that cannabis just so we can do a little research thank you yeah yeah and if there's other info that's helpful send I'm I'm sorry she's making fun of me I said for those of us who are behind the curb on cannabis topic that was hot off the that was I think that came in the time we were working on the packets literally I think Wednesday or Thursday was when that we got noticed that about when that date was and where we needed to be so um we reacted as quick as we could but um but yes but no that's everything chair okay anything else to be brought before the commission say I've got um a point the 6:00 a.m. or 6: p.m. start time we were going to see how it worked with the council it doesn't matter to me but it seems to me there was a issue of being consistent and then also a lot of respect for the staff being able to start earlier weing we were going to wait till the fall to yeah mons or something and thenal if the Planning Commission wants to explore changing time okay all right anything else hearing none shair would obtain a motion for adjournment motion to adjourn second we have motion second discussion hearing none all those in favor signify by saying I I those close nay motion carries thank you for coming thank you for your detention