This transcript has been processed to identify speakers based on the provided list of officials and the internal context of the dialogue (e.g., department reports, specific references to "Administrator Owens," and "Chief Darren"). [0:03] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: I'd like to uh welcome everyone to the regular meeting with Moose Lake City Council for a Wednesday September 14th you know it just started with the pledge allegiance please [Music] it's a good flight of the United States in America and certainly probably originally stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all [0:38] [Silence] [0:46] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: agenda do I have any changes additions Corrections [Music] can I have a second that in favor say aye opposed and she carried under consent agenda two-way minutes the regular city council meeting August 10th 2022. any discussion on the minutes do you remember I have a motion to accept the minutes a second all in favor say aye aye oppose I'm going to carry to be Financial [1:33] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: reports number one the city council excuse me City accounts payable for August 2022 number two the city financial statements August 2022 number three the liquor store profit loss statement for August 2022 questions or discussion [2:00] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: now you have a motion to accept the financial reports and families say aye aye opposed cherry moving on to number three public comment this time reserved for comments from the public and that is not listening on the agenda please keep comments just a few minutes everyone the none will move on to number four Department reports for a police chief required a report for August 20th 22. [2:42] **Chief Darren**: mayor members of the council and Mr Owens in your packet you'll find the fixed report for August total like 258 calls for service 88 levels of direction to patrol 35 traffic stops 31 Community engagement try and assist to other agencies 93 calls for service and two medicals overall it's been a pretty good uh month uh it's really quiet knock on wood it starts a lot and just recently we had a couple of copper thefts where about the new um Surgical Center where they drove through a window and install some Copper from there and then at the South Sub Station it up okay maybe so we've got a couple leads we've got we've gone around grabbed a bunch of videos so we've got a [3:28] **Chief Darren**: couple different places and be able to piece a few things together so hopefully we'll be preserving it on them I think it's going to be the same people I've been involved with a lot of it around the area so um also we had a department meeting here this last month we've been administrator homes we sat down and went over a bunch of things to the officers and some of our part-time men have been at the same time so I kind of slept through how we want to see some operations going moving forward other than that I don't really have a lot going on pretty good wrap up over the summer and things going on and if you guys have any questions for me amendments [4:17] **Chief Darren**: but cut in from the school back so if anybody sees anything it's a white pick up the plaque on the bottom White um [Music] thanks Chief appreciate it in addition I'd like to first off thank Darren for allowing me to attend our annual meeting it was great to be able to interact with his staff and the officers lots of good topics and open discussion and good feedback from this team which is really great to have moving forward we'll be able to continue to work together Darren and I and I am to implement a change [5:02] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: give some things and face help them in the comments face so that's really exciting in addition I just wanted to share that Darren and the PD received an award for his work with lexical and their policy management system this is a really big deal the implementation of this generally takes an entire team and this is something that Darren has done on his home so I'm really happy about this and I just wanted to share with you all thank you [Music] superintendent [5:49] **Phil Entner (City Superintendent)**: Mr Council administrator Owens uh so it's September and we are whatever but it did a lot to do and I don't know but we're trying so certain water department uh the month of August which is 6.1 billion uh but freaking water sent out pumped out of the ground some coverage system the GIS mapping system is underway the engineers are starting to basically take some of our old information go through see where we're at let's see if it's accuracy or accuracy is it is it is two and that there will continue so we're getting that kind of rolling we do have a couple of things we got to get help we got to replace [6:36] **Phil Entner (City Superintendent)**: here across Gibson Sewer Department production system we collect 5.394 Squad come to August the lightning project is complete where you can get videos back to me here in the next few days that went really good here were you now before it is um super good I don't have any new updates the grinder is warranty so that is an update that's good the campground station will be getting a line with the MGH BMW 515 first week of October which is going to be shut down so the street department of family [7:22] **Phil Entner (City Superintendent)**: blacktop patching perfect over here on Second Street by the post office uh turned off okay a Fourth Street project we're 90 complete two and a half weeks ago schedule not very far over I'm on you so it looks really good equipment we have full Services done on board for Capital 249 259 that's all ready to go for linear cemeteries um Cemetery parks in the campground continuous maintenance in the parts of the campground working with the park board you get a punch list item of two things that they saw that some deficiencies they saw in about speeding and last year and give this out working contest this fall we'll get a lunch time it's very good job [8:09] **Phil Entner (City Superintendent)**: it's great cemeteries uh burials are slowed down a little bit we're still having them um the columbarium installation that's actually if anyone puts anytime people walk to Sunset hope they'll get well there's it looks it's going to look amazing here without it so it's it's going to look really really good you have some flat workouts to do probably the beginning of next week we did the first portion this morning so that's all taken care of the campground we shut down first degree bye-bye first week of October and things that the arena are firing up pretty soon so don't get ready for their time already about tonight remember who wants to hear that but that's what it is I got a whole lot more to touch on about what it's going to be later in the meetings so any questions [8:57] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: thank you number 4C Mexico liquor store Department report [9:17] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: um 44 000 items since January and the average of 20 25.13 per transaction is that up to eight to see where they're at because [Music] um on in July we implemented a 2.3.5 percent on all the credit card transactions so far like today I was in 191 dollars but your credit card fees I gave an eye on the print dollars to learn how to track [10:05] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: attracted out so so we can now track that we're doing well they haven't done their Endo last month to report but she said the averaging about 1500 a month just for the detail s so a little just a little ball income that we've had some full caps will be about two thousand dollars a month which is an extra 25 000 a year [10:46] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: thank you moving on to 4G technology Library Department grab some quotes [11:06] **Rory (Technology/Public Access)**: you want me to just [11:12] **Rory (Technology/Public Access)**: I think in your package you've got a couple different uh pricing scenarios obviously we all know the audio system as it is today online is not very good again um so we were trying to separate out the audio with the uh with the video stuff and we've got two different companies uh ARs and Avi um really tough to do with Apples to Apples comparison when we don't have any specs out there so I mean each one is taken at looking at what you know their solution to having it done there's no question ABI is a company that did the cable cache for us [11:59] **Rory (Technology/Public Access)**: they have in-house engineers and everything so they kind of went through that process ARS used to be early in radio as the division still is but a division of Hunt Electric known as Duluth they were the ones that originally did a sound system in here Avis price they want to change out all the speakers and everything else I guess looking at at budget wise my recommendation would be to uh you know to try to uh replace uh we actually have three amplifiers once well there's two different ones sitting in the rack right here and there's one in our room so selfish [12:46] **Rory (Technology/Public Access)**: and a kind of all mumbled jumbled so I I believe the speakers are probably fine it's just that uh we definitely are in the need of replacement of the electronics now um I know Alyssa was was wanting to maybe move towards way or less mice but um my recommendation would be to maybe prioritize more so because I think it was like about a seventeen thousand dollar bump there um to try to get things it'll get these mics working first and we can always kind of upgrade to their uh the other thing I don't want to take away like we have some XLR plugs [13:33] **Rory (Technology/Public Access)**: like in the wall over there um to be able to uh you know and I guess I don't know what the vision for this room if it's just going to be console meetings or if it's ever going to come back to kind of kind of multi-use like it used to be where you don't have a mic if there's going to be a party or program or something like that you know I guess I would want to make sure that we still would have to you know have the options to be able to do um those kind of things the other thing that I put on that priority and I didn't have a chance to talk to a list of the camera that I've been using for um for the meetings to be able to record and upload is that is that my camera [14:18] **Rory (Technology/Public Access)**: since 2019. and it was kind of put their temper and he put nothing's really been been gone so my I you know I was hoping that we could get a hammer or two I have two cameras my other camera right now has helped alone to uh Adele is doing some recordings to be able to put on the Public Public Access so my you know my goal would be to have that the city would have to have at least one camera that then we could use for some of that other stuff and we're using for the um uploading and things like you say I did uh I I had brought it up in past years but it kind of got pushed aside its budget stuff so um [15:04] **Rory (Technology/Public Access)**: it would be nice to have a city camera for for that purpose so I guess my American recommendation would be I mean obviously the difference in price between the ARs and uh Avi is a pretty big jump but there again like you say they've got engineering and they're looking at a little little fancier system so I would say you know if we're if we're looking and trying to at least correct the problem right now and then look at maybe uh uh you know thrusting it up a little bit as a secondary um because the other thing would be nice to be able to get the video stuff in here too so that we'd be uh set for the congressman he was uh you know we're going to have a wide angle camera the [15:51] **Rory (Technology/Public Access)**: one problem we have now is because of how wide we're spread uh with covet and it sounds like that's still the wishes to stay if you remember before everybody was kind of tucked in from those two angled tables so we're planning on trying to put back here somewhere a wide angle lens that can kind of catch everybody and then have one that would probably be over there to kind to catch this direction and then then that would be a movable you know kind of in the ceiling and the same thing over here so that we'd be able to give you know post up of of any any items if it's going to be here or if it's going to be uh over there so um uh so some of the you know uh if we [16:36] **Rory (Technology/Public Access)**: separate out the audio on the video then we can look we can look again the videos definitely going to be a little bit more more involved because we've got to be able to tie into our cable account system and things um there are two I think they both gave prices on that but um you're going to kind of dig into that a little deeper and she ABI includes like support you know they have like a support system whereas ARS I mean they give support at the time installation but um they don't really have a you know a support packing in the sense contributing that you're going with what we would need but um well they say it'd be nice to be able to move move forward with the uh you know the basic audio I think uh uh [17:25] **Rory (Technology/Public Access)**: hold back maybe on the wireless right now and maybe try to get like you say a hammered to that we can kind of uh enhance a little bit of what we're what we're doing there and then kind of build hopefully uh into next hopefully early next season be able to get the video stuff so that we can have it kind of set up you know that way like I say it's kind of been on the docket for a long time but it hasn't been really thank you Rory um just to kind of help provide a little bit of clarification um we have spoke about the camera right now the city has been utilizing Murray's camera for a number of years for the meeting [18:11] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: um we absolutely need to rectify that so Rory did send me a couple links that is something uh within my purchasing power that I'm just going to take care of that 100 needs to be done it should have we should have never relied on members personal equipment um secondly we did get some complaints from the community about the sound system and not being able to hear the meetings and um we're always taking a few I've taken a few and some and administrative staff have taken others so we do know that that is something that is an immediate need I did ask Rory to collect some quotes prior to knowing that it would be 17 000 for wireless mics we had considered if we were doing audio to include that in there at this time that you know really isn't necessary and doesn't fit the budget I [18:58] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: guess today what I'm asking of Rory is if the 9891 dollar quote from ARS um would be sufficient in order to fix our immediate audio needs and then the rest would be looked out from a budget perspective in years to come yeah and I think that's um you know I think somewhere in in their thing they said about kind of checking out you know like some of the wiring and stuff too making sure everything I know uh I've had to wire I think through the since I've been doing it a couple of those mics that I suppose they got yanked out um but I mean it was just a simple solder in the plug kind of thing but I I [19:44] **Rory (Technology/Public Access)**: do think that you know at that they would be able to check I mean we don't know for sure on the speakers um what Avi was was proposing is definitely a way better speaker but I I still say I mean if we can get it so you can hear I mean right now if we try to turn it up in here so you can hear then it starts screeching and I can guarantee you or somebody's going to get called this meeting too because the sound is not good on uh on online right now but um we have been like the last console meeting that's been playing probably once every couple days uh you know somewhere in the schedule so the recorded one which I'm able to take from my camera I can run it through my [20:31] **Rory (Technology/Public Access)**: software and boost the sound up as far as I can go so at least sound is is halfway decent but that also is just using a mic from the camera so um only as good as the sounded here is which has not been Amplified too much what would help just kind of look in like a position of mics being as close and that's and that no matter what we have updated or not the position of the mic's close to the mouth sure but hopefully when we get the new system I mean you'll be able to uh here that we have something like they say we just can't bring the in-house [21:16] **Rory (Technology/Public Access)**: because I know that box there because that's the one that's in Iraq is the one that starts calling its own so um but for some reason it's rerouting to three different amplifiers and that's where we're going to try to figure out you know solution there so so long answer to your question I think going with this for right now for the audio uh [21:48] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: explain the budget so the council understands what we pay for it so at this point in time the only monies we have available are from the 125 000 we send site for Capital um I know we're waiting um to see how the portrait projects would go to see if we needed to utilize any of those funds we do have one change order as of today but um being 90 complete it I would recommend you utilizing some of those monies for this looking at the numbers I think 10 grand you know if we could get it done for ten thousand dollars that would be sufficient um I I'd hate to see us go too far over that at this point so we're looking for a motion [22:35] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: to make this expenditure using the funds of 125 000. yeah but we have to be specific in that um to utilize those funds in the motion right okay that's great correct the so-called town and so just watch me with correct sound to live if you're curious that's the idea that is the plan so you know if it takes if they dig into it if it takes something more I don't see any because they're they're covering the pieces of equipment so I don't see anything with that specific just changing out what we have [23:22] **Rory (Technology/Public Access)**: while not really changing all because all that stuff is pretty much everything's going digital but replacing that with where technology is now um if we're keeping the the same lakes and stuff I mean it's not you know that's why that price is not real high because we're we're using a lot of what we what we've got and kind of going there about keeping the speakers that would be the only thing that we're throwing off is you know if they get to a to a point but but I think the speakers are sufficient I mean you can always upgrade but I don't think that that's right now you currently have a bond payment for previous monies that went out for the original system [24:09] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: um so you know if you're going to try to be as sufficient and as effective as we possibly can and then utilizing our Budget moving forward for some of the other upgrades that absolutely need to be done um will be the best place area Council [24:33] **Council Member Douglas Juntunen**: I agree yeah I'm not against against it I think you know important for people to be able to hear what's going on in their City we're going to have this Challenge and use it monthly and actually choose daily now it makes sense to not keep it in good operation Wakefield Wisconsin a little later oh and it's not fixing anything you know I mean we've kind of mandated for winter Lottery has not been good good for yeah I think I think we noticed some of that when we upgraded the tablecast stuff then all of a sudden we started [25:20] **Rory (Technology/Public Access)**: as a SolidWorks because then we have a capability of being able to push it through because so that being said too unless if somebody does contact about it being poor the delayed broadcasts I can say that I usually try to bump up as high as I can to the audio so that would be listenable and I try to get it you know soon after it takes takes you know a day or two to get a rendered and get it on there but it is playing on you know on the regular schedule of Public Access thank you is the YouTube version also with elevated sound yep that was awesome I use the same same steps after that and I I mastered and then this the exact same push goes to YouTube is almost so [26:06] **Council Member Douglas Juntunen**: another option lotion another question would we then be using that since it's within your discussion to get the camera what would you just use those same ones so we're not pulling out of the different one that makes sense as well absolutely [Music] I'd make a motion where I forgot what I'm just it's uh the 125 000 Capital fund um that was implemented for this year's budget and the Fourth Street project make a motion to use the Northern port from ARS 9891 for this equipment and also [26:58] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: also I don't know [27:06] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: got a second all in favor say aye aye opposed Kerry thank you anything for the library Department yeah [27:32] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: I'm here for the library Department as of August that was their busiest month of 2022 so that's great news I asked Laura why the increase in traffic and I think she's gonna look into that a little further whatever is going on just so we can keep she received in a couple more applications for the open library clerk positioning so that's Laura is also going to the Barnum schools to talk to Children about getting a library card the importance of the winter reading program I believe it's the first time they've tried that [28:18] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: so we're going to see how that goes and their next movie which will be right here in the city Chambers is Friday September 23rd at 5 30. they'll be showing tough work any questions how many people um some of those busiest month we have a head towel service we didn't really say I remember [28:49] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: all right thank you see the engineer monthly update for September 7th oh yeah lots of lots of agenda items and topics within these meetings again I just wanted to mention if anybody ever would like to attend just to let us know um they do get kind of lengthy but lots of really good stuff and there's a lot of good q a opportunities in there that kind of get mixed in that don't make the agenda a couple of things I wanted to mention the we discussed with the city Engineers getting them our flow data uh for um are sewer Pond capacity scenario that's [29:36] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: been brewing so they are in the process of updating a memo that we can then release um again just to kind of clarify this particular memo would have information that would um be relevant to last year's Landing project but just another step forward and then again as as these years come on to the five-year average from the PCA it helps our capacity figures as the others fall off so lots of good progress we're in tune with that the engineers are working on that currently so we've been asked by um Windermere and a couple other community members if we have an update so we should have one shortly um in addition they are going to [30:21] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: our city Engineers are going to reach out to Doc and msop regarding our ongoing discussions with them about a need for a project and or updating infrastructure um they've communicated they don't have any monies available right now without any legislation opportunities being available everything just kind of came to a halt so we're going to just make sure that we schedule our next meeting with them to have continued discussions and stay in front of them we do have a new Warden who hasn't been involved in our conversations yet thus far so it'll be good to get him up to speed and then we're just going to try and be in a place where as money's become available with a new session that we would be um request monies in a collaborative [31:07] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: effort with the state facilities to help fund a project up in that particular area 4th Street anything else you want to cover on that 90 percent 90 two weeks ahead two and a half weeks ahead excellent I have a quick question on the Fourth Street are they seating for grass or are they going to lay down side no side hydroseed him reflectors [31:39] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: yesterday yeah so one thing that the city is going to be doing is our Engineers kind of provided us with uh how to care for your new crafts um Boulevard area so we are going to be copying that and distributing it to those residents to kind of just kind of just help with the process caretaking process as well oh um trees there's a couple of trees we've been working with them um a couple of variation changes from what was available versus not available but we're collaborating with our city gardeners there's different types of trees all are going to hit the six foot um height requirement that we had in [32:25] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: place some are going to be container and some are going to be baked at burlap the gardeners are happy for the combination of the two whichever ones are more expensive we're going to be getting at the lower price between the container and the bag to Burlap so all is well and everybody should be pretty pretty happy with their trees just in case they've heard about the problems of Mr Peterson's residence so we had um twice once was Alaska August then the first week of September we had some sewer backing up issues went out took care of the main problem is still there which maybe is obviously our responsibility we call the [33:13] **Phil Entner (City Superintendent)**: Sewer Service Company come in and clean everything out they televise it they don't have a double on the camera so yeah the service televised saw a saw a large amount of classified in the Superman which was from the intersection which is 100 Street we came back up to the next day cleaned everything out we did take his bills for his sewer cleaning services that he had to pay for we submitted them fight I got an email I don't know if you saw it today or not uh that bite's going to take that expense on and pay for that and pay for those bills so that's all taken care of thank you can you touch on the GIS mapping update yeah so um you guys I believe in April May stop March something like that anyway earlier [33:59] **Phil Entner (City Superintendent)**: in the year you guys improved a decent amount of money to actually our mapping application that we have basically from old Relic maps and we have no copies of to let's put something down that everyone can use and it can be beneficial for everyone in the next the next fill that comes in here right so that I'm not the new guys in Lost like I was um we're gonna have this on the tablet we're going to come around we're going to record all this information it's going to be awesome it will work with our new locator we can sing the two together and it just shows you right where everything is and it's just political will be done they are going to spend a small portion of that money to verify our current information we have logged into that GPS system now that is accurate which we are feeling it is because everything that everything that auto populate on that spreadsheet is like sub foot which to me is good enough [34:45] **Phil Entner (City Superintendent)**: it's more than close enough for what we need to do if you want to get it within sub-inch that's fine but it's going to cost way more money and I don't believe it's not for what works in our industry um they're basically looking into a few of those things making sure they're going to match it's going to work and then we're going to stop and we're going to try to take the rest of our money and get the rest of the city and utility but you know basically what we're trying to do is maximize our dumpling so we're not going to spend a whole bunch of money in one little area and have and and leave the rest of the Town basically Encompass but not you know you know down calibrated or not calibrated but collected um we're going to start with that they are just starting with that this speaker last I can't remember but anyway um yes [35:32] **Council Member Douglas Juntunen**: are you done okay so 72 year old the 73 drill project I wasn't I had a question I'm sorry yeah no you didn't read my mind sorry I apologize I just see that we have uh Water and Light here I just wanted to make sure are there any electrical utilities that would be included in this or is everything above Brown well I'll just be everything you got our own Keys okay I didn't know if these two were going to be working together at all don't believe so there's been no communication that started on happening so good I totally agree we've had our GPS a long time ago so you're a little farther than we are [36:17] **Phil Entner (City Superintendent)**: okay oh I wasn't aware I'm sorry sure absolutely yeah well it'd just be nice if we yeah if that was one system that we could have done together or be on together everybody's thinking of I don't know if it's the same system or different system huge savings just thought of huge savings for everybody wow just so councils where this was brought up a number of years ago and there was no interest in China okay all right several times what was that right well we just have a difference of opinion I didn't mean to open Pandora's Box I just wanted to see if we could if there was a money-savings thing or if there was a way because if something happens with water and light and they they needed a system and wanted to know what [37:03] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: we have it doesn't make any sense that we aren't sharing that information even if we're using a different system it's possible to share what I think that need to be sharing that information I think what confused that Doug was years ago at that time the county started the system also okay and within that system they had the capability to put everything that they have and we have on the one system and it would be done county-wide and they advertised it that way as time went on they changed it and they said they'll no longer let anyone get into it but their own County [37:50] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: Personnel that kind of put us behind in our efforts to to do the same thing locally and I think the power light jumped in once they found out we could not access it at some point and started because uh who had the colony did that but they didn't they didn't want people getting into it changing it they wanted full control then I can understand it but we couldn't even access to look at the data retracting five or six years ago could have been longer Chris do you remember [38:36] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: longer than 2005. yeah so their their effort put us way behind because the way they advertise it so no great we can put everything together and it's called me wide and have this great system and they paid for it um they agreed to have access but got so far into it and they said no [39:07] **Council Member Douglas Juntunen**: I mean I'm just wondering if the two systems are compatible at all and if it's possible to overlapping information so that we're not hitting electric line and killing people and you're not getting the gas I don't know I'm just asking questions because I don't know the answers well that's the reason why they do the GoPro Escape one shirt but we have to go out there in America so I think that's a great question for us to bring up our next engineering meeting absolutely even just read-only access between the two absolutely so you know not the ability to modify or input but just read only between between the two entities we can see there's a layer a way to share a layer [39:53] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: um up the build between each so we can we can talk about that next week or something oh absolutely yeah well I think we'll start just just bringing up that conversation is it is it something we can do sure yeah of course we can no problem then we can maybe set up immediate reach out and just kind of you know welcome back see where we can build it absolutely any better for the city of Moose Lake and the rate of Paris as a whole so that's that's what we're all here for thank you okay here we go 73 Trail project right we are Ted and administrator Owens we have a meeting next week with SCH I don't know if you do that or not they've got an email got sent out late today perfect that's going to be a punch [40:40] **Phil Entner (City Superintendent)**: list meeting so the punch list I gave went through it gave to them already we're going over that and find details so they know what we require so they can do this once and we can get this project done Department okay so that's where we're at with that there's a very long punch list with that and extremely long so we're just going to kind of keep after them that's all we can do uh Wells three and four that's getting closed out tonight with a final payoff that's kind of nice to see that one being done Fourth Street we talked about that plenty I and I um Alyssa shared a bunch on that which was wonderful thank you by the way finding projects done um yeah super good stuff super busy busy um what am I missing I thought I was missing something [41:27] **Phil Entner (City Superintendent)**: that's good was that it am I talking enough perfect Darren Sam over here yeah yeah any questions help thank you absolutely huh I'll ask you later that's fine moving on to 4f from the Chamber of Commerce um the chamber reported that the Nine and Nine defense was a huge success in addition their Triathlon uh was also a success they're really happy with their summer events and the monies that were raised they currently have an executive director job posting open that they're going to start to review applicants for coming soon here [42:12] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: in addition there is a raffle the raffle will take place on October 12th so there's a couple of different entities at the chamber office I know um Billy Joel Terry Byrne at Northwoods Credit Union there's a lot of different people around the city that are selling raffle tickets currently so if anybody's interested they can contact us or the chamber office and we'll make sure we get them in touch with somebody who can pick it up we're going to draw it at the end of The Brew Fest on that date October 12th yeah yeah and I think they said the Agate days that was the largest numbers that they've ever had correct [42:59] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: and um yeah yeah they they uh merchandise sales the highest merchandise sales they've ever had also yeah wow so yeah thank you moving on number five previously excuse me previously discussed businesses the ml wssd Communications Sand Lake Resort connection request that's on page 16 . yes so um Windermere Santa Fe Resort District did contact me prior to sending this out so I was greatly appreciative of that essentially they just want to establish [43:45] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: with um the person with whom the letter is addressed to and that's Mark Lambert they want to make sure that requests are going through them as a district for additional connections versus coming directly to the city so it just essentially establishing a chain of command I was made aware that this was going to go out and so this wasn't a surprise but I did want to share it the letter is dated August 17th and um Mr Lambert has also received this communication informational right now and as you've heard we still analyzing what what capacity we will have that letter you thought would come out by the end of [44:31] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: the month a memo from the engineers yeah they said they were going to work on it they talked about um September October you know they kind of gave a month time frame uh as far as when they would release it so we're hopeful we'll have it the next couple of weeks thank you moving on number six new business 6A 4th Street reconstruction project that's in company corporate pay application number two so this is a standard pay application this is the second one that we've seen come through again we're about 90 complete things are going really well the amount due for this particular application is four hundred twenty eight thousand dollars excuse me 428 622.95 [45:22] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: do we have a motion to accept the application number two subwoofers you have a second one second all in favor say aye discussion I just want to make sure Mr Mayor Bill could you just give a brief update or just say that this is everything's correct on here because we're poking 128 thousand dollars yep no we we are good to go absolutely awesome thank you any other questions all in favor say aye aye aye opposed moving on to 6B forestry reconstructive project same company change order number [46:08] **Phil Entner (City Superintendent)**: two so nobody likes to name or the word change order right because they always cost a lot of money well this one here we couldn't really avoid there was two services that were of different sizes than what we got we they also ran on location that we weren't aware of um and you know it's utility in the ground you're going to have that and there's going to be some exploration and you're just trying to figure it out and figure out what you got to do this is it um this is the second change order in this project the first one didn't cost us any money it was just a time offset of some type of contract issue with the beginning correct this is the only one I'm aware of it's going to cost us any money I'm sure we'll end up with some small ones at the end but for us to be at what 20 where we are 20 something [46:56] **Phil Entner (City Superintendent)**: 17 770.80 on 1.06 million that's yeah we'll take that every day of the week especially when you can't see that that's pretty good I'll take it very good we all remember how many changes we had in the well house it was horrible yeah any questions or discussion you have a motion to accept Kenny Jordan number two some will get a second okay someone famous say aye okay opposed okay moving on to 6c [47:45] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: 12s three and four pumping facility like it construction Constructors Incorporated pay application final so here we go we have got our final pay application for the wells three and four pumping facility this was essentially the monies we were withholding until we got absolutely everything on our punch list and everything completed I know the last item had to do with the fluoride pump ability willing to share what's been completed yep absolutely they changed both the primer hands on both pumps multiple times from the over pressure issue a check valve issue fixed those [48:31] **Phil Entner (City Superintendent)**: been running around three now for three months so we're good this is the reason we keep this retaining time I know it seems like this has been done for a year and haven't has been but it's not been completed and this is why we do this so so I'm going to find things excellent the amount due for this application is fifteen thousand twenty nine dollars and fifty five cents um second any questions [49:13] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: 2022 student mining project s to formed Technologies USA application number two yes so this is the second pay application for the project again they were wrapped up in about four days yes in and out of town everything went really well the amount due for this application is 253 000 546 and thank you once again this is not a close-up we still have retainers left until we review the videos and we like what we see is that ten percent oh that's a good answer questions [50:00] **Phil Entner (City Superintendent)**: yes five part that includes manholes they were done correct yeah yep absolutely four days yep it can work I'll give them that yeah very good I know we have a motion in a second so I just found a discussion are we is there any way before we're doing a known project that we could be running is do we have a new like flow of testing to see what's coming before and then after the winding project is early to check forwards and only at the pots no it's we have a flow meter at our Mainland station that we have to record that data for the PCA suppose that on the individual line that we're not on an individually there is temporary goal leaders that we can get absolutely and we did a study with Bolton Inc I think [50:47] **Council Member Douglas Juntunen**: about the surgery is a talent where our bad areas are with 99 and that study possible based on a lot of money um I could see maybe we can see what's up there for Grants I mean we were really successful with that sampler and we can see what's up there and it would not be a bad piece of equipment for your hospital right now what we're relying on is the information from the engineer and we're going with the last five years we're dropping off the last year it'd be really nice to have that instant knowledge if possible of what is this actually saving on that line absolutely the only thing we can duplicate is the precipitation or the one exactly but you know what you're right you're 100 right we can at least get an idea we can everything that we possibly possibly to try to get that answer no I will I know there's grant opportunities out there for just all [51:33] **Phil Entner (City Superintendent)**: going kind of creative stuff that I can look and see absolutely and I think it'd be a great piece of equipment for us to have anyway I think we asked our Engineering Group if they had won this Indiana group does it however our last engineer group excuse me it didn't have one and that's how we did some of our testing however the testing you did was over we did do a contract yeah we just discussed something regarding this and I want to say well just a month a rental and data collection of like seven thousand lots of children there's plenty High yeah that's what I thought so that you went down to [52:18] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: something I think maybe we'll see what we can do to look into something and it's very possible maybe Rural Water has a service that they offer through that and I they know I do apply me for real water they can definitely come out here and give us a hand and they would have no issue with him that would be great absolutely yep [52:42] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: all right um we don't we didn't have a motion by the way do we have a motion for pay application number two for the sewer manufacturer I think we did in a second I'll take I'll make that do we have a second [53:05] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: all in favor say aye all right because motion carried 6E pedestrian ramp discussion so we received a phone call from a resident regarding um a particular sidewalk by the post office they were requesting that that particular entrance of sidewalk have a pedestrian ramp that would make it easy accessible we reviewed it and we absolutely agree that needed to be Ada accessible so um Phil and his crew reconstructed the entire pedestrian ramp and we wanted to include some pictures in of that particular area to which they [53:51] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: patched and we did and also wanted to just kind of have some open discussion moving forward we talked about including within the budget one of these per year and so we could either take Community input and or survey ourselves through the public works department but just kind of see whether or not this is something that we want to include in the budget both Phil and I thought it was a really good idea I'll tell you what they saved us a ton of money doing this themselves thousands and thousands and so um really really happy with how it turned out and wanting to see if there's interest in budgeting for one on an annual basis do you have some cost [54:38] **Phil Entner (City Superintendent)**: information to share with that though I think project is what our cost was if you look at the last picture that there's a very large collection of the tools that we hatchbacked in that particular corner city top we could have been to ask multiple times why we did do the whole intersection with the spine but uh every one of these situations are going to be a little different it's not we can't put 1800 at it and expect that's what's an excellent costs we've had round one Street so the two minutes it's going to be your office so I would I guess I would use eighteen hundred two thousand bucks as a placeholder for a budget if there was more need for this community um every fall I sit down there's there's [55:25] **Phil Entner (City Superintendent)**: two residents in town that I can continue to take at least once a year on this topic especially like our sidewalk names and their handicapped individuals and they have a very good list for me of what areas the Improvement unless anyone has a better way of handling that and I doubt anybody does That's How we'll just kind of handle this I think maybe we'll even add this pedestrian thing to it as well because I think they would be able to provide a lot more insight then a lot of us I think this is a perfect place to put it with the post office getting there that is saw lots of times people trying to get up with their walkers and stuff yeah no problem when I call team in we went and looked at it we both thought oh [56:12] **Phil Entner (City Superintendent)**: these are not president but there wasn't so there is no it made us think that they're well and we know of based on the work they did here they've already gotten requests for additional ramps to be done so I just wanted to have open discussion share a win for the public works department this is amazing and um yeah make you aware we have I think at least seven that are full-time wheelchair bomb that two of the city not mentioning others that are for any other injury or whatever else so you do have a very high range of people using here absolutely thank you thank you they have consensus [56:57] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: got consensus thank you moving on to 6f water effect discussion so the city offices received a complaint from a resident about multiple people's going into the campground and still water from the campground this particular resident shared how they felt like that was an effect from the taxpayers and so they were really not happy about it and wanting the City to respond I was not aware of previous discussions that have been had with councils in the past and so I did kind of lean on fillable but for this [57:43] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: one as far as just kind of a history and where things stood and we wanted to just open up dialogue to see how we want to respond or if we want to respond and how we address the situation moving forward so with that one thing I'm going to add is every year I stand up here to talk about the I mean how to work on accounted for water loss that we have in conflict that mdh wants to know where it went or roughly where it went all the water in the campground in the park is not needed at all none of the spigots coming up none of the camper connections not the bathroom um we have multiple people coming coming into your water I get that my water's a huge need I totally understand uh but [58:29] **Phil Entner (City Superintendent)**: when it's getting called out by a member of the community I mean I get it we have that in our fee schedule that we we do that at the shop we used to do that at the shop we don't anymore but uh as far as selling bottled water out right I mean that defensity is is there it's an energy schedule so the called off by a resident I've went down the path of shutting that water down into the park a couple years ago and it was I was told to get it turned back on so I turned it back on happens again and I understand it's water it is extremely important absolutely but so is a concern for one of our citizens as well so sometimes those have been legitimate too because I stopped one in their one day filling up and had been somebody the city hired to [59:15] **Phil Entner (City Superintendent)**: do work on the trees you know in town here so you just don't know which one's coming through so you might get that complaint but it could be a legitimate one as well but so it hasn't been like people that do not live in the city limits and the people that have had their water shut off and they're going down there to get water to using their household in the city limits or is it or is it from out of town coming in to a lot of their lawns or either cattle or what is the home I mean are like little buckets or they big trucks full of them sure absolutely I don't know the answers to those questions a couple that I do get stopped explain to them what our fees is they didn't know no problem anything [1:00:00] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: as far as catching anyone I don't think we've gotten that far no the complaints were that this was a resident of outside the city limits and that they had a very large container in the bed of a truck that they filled up so I think it's actually a variety of scenarios um so tough to pinpoint just one particular category of usage but there's a little bit of everything going on no this complaint this was for the campground that they were going into for the park in the park so far yeah in the past in the cemeteries of course you've never said yet people going into the cemeteries filling out the reason why I like to see the water [1:00:47] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: on at the park is just for people that are having picnics and stuff like that people that go to the beach want to rinse their feet off their toys off and stuff like that but you know there could be an issue if somebody's going down there filling up a huge container and stuff like that that don't necessarily want to see but how are you going to keep the water on let the people use it and then if you shut it off then nobody gets to use the time in a park if that will use those pressure remember that Chris had those pressure things to put on so they couldn't screw a big hose on it to the to the spigot yes sir just put restrictors they only [1:01:34] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: put out a gallon a minute and then also the fact that we had the problem that also of it s museum for a while too they'd come up and they'd fill up their 500 gallon tanks with one shot on the outside water but at night the park that solved it and that I would imagine at some point they wore out or took them off at the end of the season and they were never put on again or they're not cheap no they're not they're expensive yeah and I don't know what happened at the cemeteries but those thickets just normal now the ones out there at Sunset yeah Yep they're wide open they were they were [1:02:20] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: off for about a week here two or three weeks ago one of the more guys ended up clipping speaking we had to shut the system down so it was a very metal all right it's back up everybody now and that's not metered out there either nope right [1:02:44] **Phil Entner (City Superintendent)**: I guess we could look at putting those restrictions on restrictors on like I don't know what types yeah I can figure the ones we had before you pressed on it people put the feet underneath and then they released it and water shut off for sure I'll I'll look into some options definitely on here tonight because of a resident that called us out on and considering how many degrees why is walking anchors to optimize [1:03:26] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: well listen what time is that plan do they know it was over a weekend um [1:03:37] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: I could give you a contact I would like to follow along sure we have a consensus to have Phil look at that subscriptions whatever thank you G Public Works seasonal part-time labor discussion so Phil and I have had some discussions um over the past couple weeks as we've had a turn towards a new season with the addition of the trail Bill's kind of having to rework some of the snow blowing snow plowing scenarios we've also had some of our part-timers become part of our on-call schedule and so one particular employee in general we had brought on for mowing and so [1:04:25] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: essentially we're just here to have a transparent discussion about whether or not that particular employee can be on call for the winter as far as any snow removal needs or on-call needs for the off-season of mowing correct correct yes um currently right now we're running a Wednesdays we overlap with with two part-timers Monday Tuesday Wednesday is one shift Wednesday Thursday Friday is the other should be over that on Wednesday it's really good like today we had a decent amount of concrete before it sunset for that columbarium we had we had plenty of naps it was wonderful um obviously nobody knows when the snow is coming nobody knows when the storms are [1:05:10] **Phil Entner (City Superintendent)**: coming positive to this is they're both CDL holders so they're also offering that service to us as well which we need big people's operate equipment one we already have we have on on staff in that capacity like we did last year I guess asking for is if we could possibly keep this other employee on the same way as we're using them now but only as needed so a perfect example was last Thursday was Todd's scheduled day to work and it was raining and I absolutely had no inside work for him to do presentable and he's fine with that I'm fine with that um I don't take that lightly if I don't have nothing for you to do I'm not just gonna have anything else so um there can be times in the winter where [1:05:58] **Phil Entner (City Superintendent)**: we're getting close to our hours in the truck and I need we need to switch in and out and get someone else behind the wheel and I mean honestly we have if any one of those guys would have came down to covet during covet we don't have a bathroom I I don't have another another person to put in that fourth round like it's that's just the way it is so we'll just breath in and and that's fine um but I mean there's I mean I hope this never happens but I mean if there was an issue if there was some medical problems if someone has to be on an extended vacation automatically but some type I don't have any any type that I'm not so this would be huge for me it'd be huge for Public Works um that trail I'm thinking it's going to add somewhere between three and four [1:06:44] **Phil Entner (City Superintendent)**: hours including time it's a mile and a third out so it's and then I mean they gave us some ugly Corners they gave us some really ugly guardrail to work around and there's just no way around it because we had State Highway on this side and city right away on this side and there was nowhere to where it was on that was we did the best of what we could and it turned out good but it's you push snow to the middle you know it's going to be an issue so yeah that's kind of what I'm asking that's that's what I request was here tonight when we initially hired Todd we had said you know seasonal for just mowing we're finding that maybe on an on-call basis he could be utilized year-round but you know very mentally and he's okay with that so we just wanted to have that discussion if you don't we don't want anybody to see him running around with a snow plow and and [1:07:30] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: not understand you know what's going on so that's fine this is nothing new no for many years we had it we had people on call I don't have a problem with that I guess my comment would be is it would be cheaper than open times absolutely yeah absolutely and that's something we got to watch absolutely yeah we have uh consensus as long as it fits within the budget it's just used it's nice to have that extra employee it is yes so we have consensus 6h Oak Lake RV permanent easement [1:08:18] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: discussion okay so within the packet I share a couple of communications between Oak Lake RV and myself I was contacted by them and it was brought to my attention that there were some discussions had prior to me being in this capacity regarding compensation for the permanent easement that was given with the trail um I communicated to them I just wanted to do my due diligence I looked for any type of written documentation of what they were saying was promised versus what you know we were aware of and that was nothing um and so kind of went back and forth a little bit uh Oak Lake RV has presented an estimate to the work that they're [1:09:05] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: looking to have done the work that they're looking to have done totals 3 375 dollars again that would be compensation from from an infusement however um our city Engineers were able to track down a communication from October of 2021 in which they put a value to the permanent easement and the amount of space that we acquired with that easement the value that the engineers had come up with was 235 dollars and so at this point in time I let Oakland RV know that I wanted to bring it to council for discussion and that it was really important that we kind of had an opportunity to figure out what works [1:09:51] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: best for the city I also want to share that they did receive two new paved entrances to their facility with this project as well that was just part of the um essentially redoing the area that was ripped up and so one of their entrances was a page previously one of them was not so they actually now have two paved entrances to their facility as well so that is all the information I have and I just wanted to have some open dialogue with you all about it back in 2021 was only presented with this among they're told that this is about the [1:10:38] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: queen I cannot find any documentation of any conversations in writing between the former Administration and Oakland RV so from their perspective there were a lot of discussions had and from our perspective we're not aware of anything [1:11:06] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: do we have a way of knowing or figuring out roughly what an entrance costs they received a new entrance I mean I I think that has value and I would just say that that was taken care of by the entrance and give you the 235 is the estimate and then we're done with it right anything home for that I think then we're opening up again [1:11:34] **Phil Entner (City Superintendent)**: I do remember some of the discussion that Katie had with them and it went back and forth quite a while and I did not see the the letter where the 200 and something was finally settled upon and I think that was with the engineers working with her and with them so we're the 235 dollars came was um essentially right as well October 20th that was literally maybe my first day actually um so the engineers had come up with that figure as far as what was [1:12:22] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: relevant to that particular their permanent easement I don't know at that point in time um whether or not there was any contact made by Katie to them to share that I know I had zero discussion with them at all regarding the permanent easement until they've contacted me yeah and well there's discussion to film may remember some of it the sidewalk of the building and tar yep I went look at that to some I don't know to some of the doors I mean there was a lot of discussion with them different things that they wanted to trade off yeah there was a lot of discussion that I was not a part of but then there I did do a site visit with [1:13:08] **Phil Entner (City Superintendent)**: the inspector and you and cost estimate from eulin you and do not want to provide the cost estimate because they weren't interested in doing work because they didn't have the time to do it right and that was all that I was involved in [1:13:27] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: so at this point in time if you would like us to kind of see if we can't get information on what the entrance is the value of the instances that were provided won the upgrade of one and and then replacement of the other we can we'll certainly do that and then I can have some further discussion with them I just wanted to make you aware of what was going I think he upgraded the one that already had blacktop We're Not Gonna yes if not for the trail they wouldn't have it they would have left it right but the other one we upgraded that's different because we could have left that dirt so that one definitely [1:14:13] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: then we have time there's no deadline or I mean just something we need to work out with them um and they did help us with that area to get around that corner without it we couldn't have completed the Trail getting through that portion of the Highway 73 and 10. [1:14:45] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: Council continue work on it foreign 700 volts bullified discussion that is the site of the old police moose yes so I sent out an email I just kind of wanted to follow up and make sure um I had a clear direction from Council um the email kind of contained a visual of the property itself that's the request of purchase came in through I was able to verify the debt owed on the property from us to the county is the 10 319.75 sense so that would be my recommended [1:15:32] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: sale price at that particular property in addition I did a little homework with the league of Minnesota cities to make sure that and talked to previous administration as far as whether or not there were any stipulations with that particular law or a part of that program that was involved in the Demolition and so from all of my research we absolutely can sell the sell the parcel if we'd like um and so at this point in time what generally happens is this type of scenario will go to the planning petition first and then the Planning Commission can address some of the variances and Zoning issues at hand because this is a city property it has to come back it has to come here first then we'll go to the Planning [1:16:18] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: Commission for zoning and variance requests and then come back to council for final approval so there will be that back and forth because it's a city you'll own a lot but um question massage they're a construction company correct yes so what kind of stuff are they trying to be in this garage [1:16:49] **Council Member Douglas Juntunen**: so so from what they've shared I think it's just currently they live out of town and so they just purchased five Lots in town to build on and so they want to have a nice facility in town to house equipment and so and supplies so that they're not spending monies heading all the way out of town and back and forth constantly that they'll have somewhere in town to house their equipment out of sight and then with the opportunity to have a rental unit above I know they've done some other rentals in town and so that's been a priority of theirs and they have interest in doing that and that would be part of their design that they would bring to the Planning Commission it's going to give you more supplies than actual like huge equipment they're [1:17:36] **Council Member Douglas Juntunen**: going to be correct correct and with the the way the lot is um what they're looking to do will will take up a lot of the lot kind of like the sunshine closet footprint adjacent to that so um there's not a lot of room to store extra stuff so we'd all have to fit in there well and we have already because we've got a few of our homes at church and yeah all you know right the resident recognition yes and a concern we can bring forward with the Planning Commission as well I mean if it's just like over to the next job right but if it's tobacco equipment you know yes kind of the different so we will have our ordinances and some [1:18:22] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: of our zoning uh requirements too that we can make sure uh builds in a little protection for that kind of stuff as well and all the zoning Community will ask a lot of questions it's a lot of pressure at that but I'll do my best I'll be there too but I mean it does they do go into a great depth yeah I know I do yeah yeah and it's and they should the funeral home right yeah [1:18:55] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: so consensus but do we need emotion on this because it is city property um yes a motion to to sell and if if we're agreed upon the purchase price we would include that in there as well and then I would start the process on the back side and make sure that they get in front of the Planning Commission as well Council [1:19:21] **Council Member Walter Lower III**: I'll make that much 75 cents second a second all in favor say aye aye opposed all right security 6j temporary on sale with your license Moose Lake Brewing Company so this is a temporary auto license for their Oktoberfest the date of the event is actually September 24th and it'll be held at Riverside Arena this is something that we've approved in years past Darren have we ever had initiated [1:20:07] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: the event nope yeah encouragement have a motion to the second any questions favorites AI I suppose motion carried 6K Carlton Soil and Water Conservation District in Moose Lake City gardeners pollinator pockets project so this is just a four-year information only the city gardeners have been working with Carlton County there is monies out there for pollinator pockets and pollinator Gardens so essentially the city will put forward the 260 [1:20:56] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: dollars but it's fully reimbursed after you demonstrate that you have completed the project up to their specs as far as pollination is concerned so I just wanted to share this there's uh if this goes well they're hoping to be able to facilitate some a few pollinator Gardener gardens around the city Council um I'm sorry did you say it was an information on the information they will need consensus it's all that you go ahead it's very good [1:21:42] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: six cells Essential Health this is the fiscal year 2023-2025 Community Health needs assessments so as essential health has a community they are required to do one of these Community Health needs assessments um every three years and so they just kind of published their findings from the most recent I just wanted to share them with with Council the second page of the assessment is essentially a summary page so it was identified that mental and social well-being physical activity and food security were the three areas identified as Community Health needs in the in [1:22:30] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: Lewis Lake and so I essentially wanted to provide you with what was established and what Essentia will be putting monies towards over the next couple years they will find ways to accomplish some of these tasks or identified areas of need it and to help address them within the community so informational [1:23:00] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: absolutely [1:23:14] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: 6m available kind of annoyed product moratorium discussion so there's some new laws laws allow certain edible and beverage products infused with THC to be sold in the state of Minnesota and so each particular City or entity is going to have to kind of try and figure out the licensing and the procedure just like we would have in place for Tobacco liquor licensing so um did a little research on this there are other communities that have enacted a moratorium and so with that it just kind [1:24:01] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: kind of pauses the process in your area then you kind of have time to to plan um and and create process for a new um product so to speak that is an option for us otherwise we do need to just address licensing immediately if it's not something that we want to place a more a moratorium on for up to 12 months is the longest you can put that in play so I just wanted to open discussion about that and essentially kind of establish what you'd like Administration to be working on if we do a moratorium we do have to get the city attorneys involved so there'd be some costs associated with that they have to make sure that the way it's drafted that it meets State Statute in order to put that in play otherwise [1:24:49] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: we can just start to work on our licensing process and I think we have one business selling already because we have nothing on the books to stop them from so there is a business that is already put their money into it product and they're selling so at the bare minimum we do need a licensing processing flight so it's it's that or we depending upon how far we want to dig in on this particular topic or what we want to implement for process we could put a moratorium in place but that would cost the city money [1:25:36] **Council Member Douglas Juntunen**: so each would cost somebody crop City money I would prefer to do the moratorium and think about this a little more than just throw a license [1:25:55] **Chief Darren**: it's legal as law enforcement come across any problems with this yet and any concerns yet or no just some of the use that we're dealing with the user out of it you know part of it is the thing you got to be careful with is not having a Last Place on Earth type of Deal or Contracting from all the different areas lining up up here to buy so I think what you do you know when you do look into it is to make sure you do it right you know moratorium might be a good way to look into it and make sure you get what you want you know sitting here right now you're probably legally after a while it's gone until you get the process going I would like that's not [1:26:52] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: any other discussion [1:27:01] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: we would need a motion if we're going to do a moratorium essentially it would be in order for us to start that process and that the actual documentation so in between us we can notify the one business that started they still will be legal until they're drawing comes back to us in this past correct okay well could it ever be illegal for them they're just it would have to Halt any more training until whatever we put in place whatever would be looking at probably other communities they would have the halt they would not be selling it I would rather have us [1:27:49] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: wait a couple months before we take any kind of action and reach out to other communities see what they're doing and then rather than spending money for attorneys spending money having something drawn up or a moratorium and we don't even know if we need one yet they're this has been a lot for what two months three months whatever it is there has to be other communities out there that have a lot of stuff all through the league probably has a lot I'm sure that's the first thing you'd look is the league of Minnesota cities to see what and that's the information that was included in the packet is something q a from the league so when it you know good information as well I think that probably is a better way [1:28:37] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: to handle look and see who else have done it and then then I'm going to get you to put from our local law enforcement date if they're seeing an issue immediately then we would have to move quickly have you seen any issues with it yet parents not really as far as the sales here I you know I know the people that have it or whatever else in the business and you know they're you know good people I think run a good you know good business and it hasn't been an issue um like I said we've just been dealing with it on the user out of it we've had a couple of systems where work pretty well out of it had been treated medically so it's just a matter of how much of that anybody coming here if they use when they come here are we [1:29:22] **Chief Darren**: going to be dealing with it's kind of unknown right now but we have had some cases of people using it that ended up having medical treatment I must admit I don't know a lot about this but people are using this for help issues and things of that that nature there are people that use it for their health yeah and and I worry about you know those people that are using it for their health benefits if we put more aquarium on it then all of a sudden they wouldn't be able to get their medicine if you want to call it that I think the state has already looked into this and done research on this and they've found it to be you know not a be have made it lawful now [1:30:09] **Council Member Douglas Juntunen**: you know I if they've done all this research I don't see why Moose Lake would have to do a whole bunch of additional research when the state has already done this I think you'd be looking at wherever you guys would have more influence or say would be using the marketing of it so if you're marketing it towards young children because of the flavors and the different things like that then you might be able to be more restrictive on how that process goes um how old do you have to be to buy this stuff 18 should be compensation will use it just for medicine no I mean if you're buying Edibles to origami user whatever like that it's [1:30:56] **Chief Darren**: going to be used for medical purposes and then again used for not so each of the age is 21. and it is a item that is subject to sales tax as well is your limit on how much they can buy okay yeah there is I don't know that limit I thought it was maybe 10 together there is a limit that they purchased from and then it's got to be labeled as such it was a lot of times by the time we see it as out of that package and put into some other type of wrapper which cannot be you know carried in that manner so yeah it's got to be in the package one [1:31:43] **Chief Darren**: with the labels on it and what the percentage is is what they're looking at is what that THC level is because it's got to be less than three which is considered half so once it's going over three which there's a lot of the legal side of the companies and you know when we say well you know this is the legal stuff how are we going to know between the two gummies so if it's not in that packaged container with the actual ingredients and stuff like that it will be illegal I see under these questions here what types of restrictions should the should we consider in regulating product if the City Sites regulate presentable cannabis things or other cannabis products the types of regulations can vary from City to City sometimes the city may consider them [1:32:28] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: drafting these regulations they include what areas of the city that can be distributed or sold what businesses should be allowed to sell them age of the person of course that's 21 in Minnesota location of products within retail establishment pop-up sales transient merchants vending machines distance from other uses like schools Parks residential distance from retailers delivery services online sales limit number of establishment within the city age verification hours [1:33:14] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: and background checks so there's quite a few numbers yes yeah very similar to our tobacco ordinance that we passed within the past year as well so all those kind of um different areas recovery within the ordinance so I wanted to fit into it yeah all kinds of different things yeah we put this on the agenda maybe for November or something like that and see if there's any more cities that have these ordinances so then we can do it monthly every month law enforcement opportunity to read those ordinances and they get a chance to see it and see what input they have sure thank you [1:34:00] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: increase your Kindle what is out there from the leaks that's what cities have done it and maybe some examples of what they've done absolutely and the purpose of bringing this forward is just to start the process here which is to have something interesting what local cities are doing yeah in the area I do know a few moratoriums that went into play um but I do there's got to be some that just have adopted ordinances or you know other other ways to handle it as well without having to spend money so I have any more money to the moratorium um I know Hermantown did [1:34:48] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: all right any other discussion I think you have enough that you can well we're not into it that's great you know 610 Sydney Moose Lake electric utility rate discussion thank you everybody was was at the meeting man Chris wasn't so essentially we had a joint meeting with water and light uh the Water light commission and we did just discuss um all the different aspects and ideas surrounding and Implement implications of the city paying our electric utility bills to Water and Light and and where those funds are coming out of the city budget and the impact that they're [1:35:36] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: having on contributing to the levy increase in contributing to Water and Sewer rate increases and um one thing that was kind of upon further review and a notable item was the general rate and the general rate is a pass-through amount that was discussed at the at the Joint meeting and the general rate is a line item on everybody's Bill and they get feed according to usage so it was a way for the city to capture monies from the large users who don't pay property tax so it was kind of in lieu of property tax monies this line item went on [1:36:22] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: everybody's Bill and it was a pass-through from the Water and Light commission it didn't um come out of their budget so to speak it went to the customer and back to us so what we've discovered over some of our budget analysis over the past couple weeks is that by increasing that General rate we actually increased our own utility bills in in the mix and pretty significantly because we are one of the largest users as a city so I know there was some discussion at the Joint meeting about what it looks like to continue to increase that General rate and my recommendation would be to never do that as long as we're required to pay utility bills because what we did is we took more monies out of our operating budget by doing that uh [1:37:09] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: so as we get into some of the budget discussions there's a couple examples of um how significantly it increased our electric utility expense line item within our departments by doing that so I did want to share that and then just kind of open up further discussion regarding um any Reflection from The Joint meeting and to see how console feels prior to the meeting and moving forward what we'd like to have happen [1:37:43] **Council Member Douglas Juntunen**: I have other members of well check representation and I think it was it was nice to have a joint medium and it's something to do often I think very important uh I'm not Water and Light so much as it was our largest users being there and stating that you know they saw the need for all of us to try to work anything important unit hopefully that'll that'll happen and hopefully we'll have more more discussion and be able to work something out because I know that they took Waterway took some information and went back and they're going to have a meeting as well so uh hopefully uh more will come from that 22nd correct the next one uh [1:38:38] **Council Member Douglas Juntunen**: I have one schedule on the 22nd you know what that one is that is the transportation follow-up on transmission [1:38:53] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: so that will be an agenda item for discussion on the 22nd any other information or questions discussion none at this time I did find it interesting when I realized when the new of taxes is what they call it that passed through that we're paying it also in his passing through to Us increasing our electric bill which when I realized that doesn't make sense and at the time that it was organized [1:39:39] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: years ago under childhood in 2007. that that wasn't realized that we're we are increasing our electric bill when we do that yes sir well if it really didn't start then it started way back when we the city actually started the power company time it really didn't mean that much because at the time that they had one small generator and it didn't was really next to nothing and in one small building and at that time the city office was part of the power [1:40:25] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: plant and it was all one thing at the time and the facility Police Department was there everything was there so I think over the years that change so much and part of the problem of people in the facilities and they understanding and everything did not change with them so I don't know I haven't got an answer but I did fell behind and somehow or other somehow or that we have to get back [1:41:11] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: I think we started the discussion I think it was a good start and hopefully it will continue on and uh I think so too I think for the benefit of especially 21 percent of the people are trying to keep the community going and that's that's I talk to people that don't live in Wisconsin especially you know talking to someone you know and he talked to him and said 21 of the people have been covered at the expense of 29 well I bought it I mean if they [1:41:59] **Council Member Douglas Juntunen**: helped and they do that you know to start explaining things around and says I just can't believe it you know it's a problem [1:42:18] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: it's all part of the discussion any any other comments hearing them thank you more to come on that it'd be more discussion 60 of the 2023 budget presentation and set the initial Levy I think everyone knows how we do that we said it said it at a certain amount and he's a little higher than what is finally negotiated by the end of the process absolutely so um the budget presentation is going to look a little different this year um I wanted to provide as much [1:43:05] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: information as I possibly could and have some open dialogue and um then continue to take a look at it throughout these next couple of months and refine and continue to refine as we put some of the more some more puzzle pieces in play for what we can accomplish in in the time between now and December so the first thing that I I wanted to provide information on was expenditures and so on the first page you'll see within 2023 the election budget will be removed the operating transfer to the DMV of twenty thousand dollars will remain in place a wage increase is included in the budget and open for discussion health [1:43:51] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: insurance budget increase we're being told we're looking at about a 25 I included a quote from our insurance company on that as far as what was communicated to me and then our electric utility rate budget so when we increase that General rate in July it's had a significant impact on our expenses and so much so that a lot of those line items were not budgeted for and so we are over budget on them and so I wanted to share some of that but also communicate that within this 2023 budget we absolutely have to account for all of them and so there's over 180 000 worth of electric utilities include [1:44:40] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: the second page is just a snapshot of a few different city departments and I could have put 12 Pages worth of these on there but I wanted to just give you an idea of three completely different apart departments and a scenario that unfolded as we continue to analyze the budget and so there are different ways and and tactics used in budgeting I wanted to highlight how the budget was how we budgeted previously and how we're going to Budget moving forward for what we actually spent in 2020 which was 28 071.57 [1:45:28] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: 2021 we only budgeted eight thousand dollars for that line item in 2021 we spent 35 000 360.29 and then in 2022 we only budgeted for eight thousand dollars of that line item so um that's one example of one particular line item where um if if we're not budgeting in accordance with what's actually being spent we have no true grasp on our cost the next is through the liquor store so again just a snapshot in 2020 for off sale liquor we spent 311 462.56 we budgeted for 235 000 in 2021 [1:46:16] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: after seeing those um in 2021 we spent 321 853.80 and then in 2022 235 000 was budgeted for that particular one day so as you can see over the course of three particular line items within one Department you're seeing a substantial amount of expenditures that are not being budgeted for the last example I included was from the campground and so sales tax expense for 2020 was 10 399.13 in the 2021 budget four thousand dollars was [1:47:02] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: um included for that in 2021 though we actually spent 12 922.70 and then in the 2022 budget there was four thousand dollars that were included with that line item the last one being Electric utilities we spent over twenty thousand dollars in 2020 budgeted for 16. [1:47:22] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: spent over twenty five thousand dollars in electric utilities budgeted for 16. so what I wanted to show again I could have put 12 pages of this together um what's a few things that I would like everybody to consider with this is that when you're budgeting like this with departments that also have Revenue generation it's it's the blow is a little less so you're able to absorb some of that as long as you're being just as um as long as you're budgeting your revenues under scale pretty closely to how you're under budgeting your expenses the math problems can still work um so many of our departments don't have [1:48:08] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: the ability to generate Revenue so when we're doing those in departments and there's no Revenue offset essentially we're losing hold of what our true expenditures are and it's easy on a piece of paper to take a budget and say we're golden we're good but in the background we believe and to how much we bleed we don't know I can tell you in 2021 um we started bleeding in 2022 we're gonna keep bleeding and so moving forward what I'm about to show you is expenditures that are what we are currently spending in these departments now I wanted to start here so it's going to look like sticker shock but this is what we're actually spending we are going to budget our revenues as what we [1:48:55] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: are actually bringing in and then creating a new foundation and new visibility to what's actually coming in and out so that we can make sure we stop the bleeding moving forward well we should also state each City administrator does US differently and they can show it differently and work through the year and then pass the audit at the end of the year by working with the numbers and how they work with it same thing at the water like same same scenario but what what what's being attempted is to do [1:49:40] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: a more actual month to month budget expenditures balancing so there's no well it this will keep it from going into the general fund correct so we were told in after our 2020 21 audit that we did into our reserves um hard to have a hand I haven't turned the budget throughout the year if we were not actually if our budget's not aligning so I I would like to do things a little differently moving forward I would like to have our expenditures and our revenues actually be reflective of what we are spending and generating and then on a month-to-month basis we can have a little bit more visibility and um [1:50:25] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: essentially then if you're bleeding you know where you're bleeding from so um the next page we're just going to start to kind of look at from 2022 to 2023 what the difference is going to be um like I said this is there's going to be a little bit of sticker shock associated with this but that's okay um we can talk through it and I have um all the documentation from our budget worksheets that Ryan and I and all the department heads went through and so if anybody would like to see them or ask any questions even prior to this meeting feel free so um just to kind of Jump Right In we look at the general government budget from 2020 to 2023 we're looking at a difference of fifty [1:51:11] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: six thousand dollars that is mainly workers comp insurance so workers comp insurance was one of those line items that was um there's been so many increases in the past couple years and it was not moved so when we take a look at what we're actually spending for workers comp insurance which we know has kind of been a moving Target over the past couple years that is um a large portion of that change uh the next is is Council we're looking at a difference of eight thousand six hundred dollars to the administration we're looking at a difference of 50 200 to look at the wage amount excuse me to go back to council that's in the increase in the wage that [1:51:57] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: had not been done in a significant period of time that's the implication of that City Administration we're looking at the biggest increase line item was health insurance so we received a significant health insurance increase this past year and the budget did not reflect that and then now moving forward with another 25 percent increase we were looking at a huge jump um health insurance you'll notice is a trend over the course of this discussion to which it was not the budget did not reflect our actual expense the elections that's going to be removed Community Center the six thousand to fifty dollars a [1:52:44] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: significant portion of that is our electric bill and proper budgeting of that particular line item Police Department you're going to see an increase of 4 325 dollars we need actually had our health insurance cost decrease within the police department with some of the things that have transpired over the past year so re-budgeting for health insurance and all of those activities was absorbed by removing that additional health insurance costs off of our books so better building inspector that was one of the line items that um [1:53:31] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: I demonstrated in the example we were not properly um or we did not have that budgeted for if that's a difference of seventeen thousand five hundred dollars Public Works you're seeing a difference of 59 625 um that is there's a variety of line items that are going in there everything from um health insurance to to um to wages to operating expenses things of that nature that were not reflective of what we needed recycling a difference of six thousand fifty dollars this is incorporating eight Electric utilities which were were not budgeted for previously to the extent to which we have an expense for [1:54:17] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: and in addition including a little bit of extra wage so that if the relocation of the recycle shed to the brush pile area occurs in the coming year like we'd like it to then we will have money's budgeted for that the depot the six thousand five hundred dollars is the electric utility that line item is what that cost is a majority of Parks and Rec and you're looking at forty one thousand nine hundred dollars difference increase between the two years that was um here that was sales tax [1:55:03] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: electric utilities and a software fee from the new online reservation system that we're utilizing that was not reflected in the budget previously the library seemed an increase of 430 dollars we have been very crafty with the library it's going really well I'm really happy with that Tech districts are not relevant Cemetery you're going to see an increase of 2 480 between the two years expenditure budgets that's actually with us fine-tuning now public works department is itemizing where they're spending their time and we are actually expensing time spent for mowing services and [1:55:51] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: maintenance to each department so we're going to have a lot better visibility as to what the operating cost of each of these departments actually is which is wonderful so over the course of the last year we need 2 480 in addition to cover wages for the cemetery uh cable TV there's a little bit of a decrease we were able to just kind of fine tune some of the line items within that particular budget and the arena you'll see a difference of five thousand six hundred dollars um some of that is Wages a significant amount of money in addition to that was [1:56:37] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: wages but we were only budgeting for about twenty thousand dollars worth of our electric utility bill and it's 35 000 now so that Span in what we've gained um back from a reduction of wage went to making sure that we're budgeting our electric utility bill within that department properly so overall you're seeing between the two years there is an increase of 261 000 37 in expenditures between the 2022 and 2023. [1:57:16] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: the historical Levy information I left this in here as a placeholder so Carlton County has a new auditor the new auditor is not necessarily interested in sharing the tech the overall tax capacity figure until it's certified on September 30th and so what we've been able to do in the past in September is steal that information and then work the math problem backwards so that we could essentially say here here's how much we need to Levy so without having that number certified and openly shared at this point what we decided to do is utilize the levy information from last year for our base within today's discussion and then just know moving [1:58:02] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: forward once we have that at the end of September when October comes we're going to continue to have these discussions as we work in the background to whittle down our budget and analyze and reassess and we'll have that updated Levy information at that time our Auditors um communicated to us that there's a state statute that requires we have 105 of our Debt Service obligation be within our our Levy and so what these next couple pages are are our bond expenses out of the general fund so with that you'll see for the 2011-80 [1:58:48] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: bond in 2023 our expense is going to be 74 620 dollars you get to see 2022 versus 2023 the next page shows the 2014 a bond our total expense is going to be 100 35 150 again some of these have offsets uh whether it be special assessments um or utilizing property tax form the revenue side of things has information on kind of where we take monies from within the city budget in order to to come so that's what the revenue side says for the expenditures part of today's discussion those figures are at the bottom [1:59:34] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: the 2017 a bond you'll see total expenses for that one being 58 265 dollars and then for the 2020 Avon you'll see that the total expense in 2023 is the 17 000 700 so what we do is then we work a math problem backwards as far as what our Levy amount is we deduct 105 of these particular figures an obligation all added together and then what's remaining we have to delegate some of it to the library specifically and then the rest back into our operating budget so we will be utilizing these figures moving forward as we try and Whittle [2:00:20] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: down um what we're going to do moving forward with the levy so what we previously have discussed thus far is uh the general fund now looking at the water fund um revenues at a 10 rate increase in 2023 will be budgeted at 386 thousand dollars this will just give you an idea at 10 which would be um the recommendation those figures will change obviously if revenues if we go up or down from that based on percent of rate increase expenditures will stay sedentary our expenditures are budgeted at 328 [2:01:06] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: 426.25 for 2023. and the net income at the 10 would be 57 573.75 now we are not getting rich off the water fund um essentially what we need to accomplish between um now and five years from now is having the ability to pay over two hundred and forty one thousand dollars of debt in year out of the water fund so with this increase this year if we are netting this fifty seven thousand dollars we're going to start to build that fund to be able to then pay our bond payments moving forward um one of our rate studies say we need a [2:01:53] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: five percent one of our rate studies at 10 percent inflation and and all the other factors so we know we have a couple of targets here we have a range these are the figures for ten percent and just know um within five years I kind of took the highest point of what our our debt obligation for the water fund will be and that's that 241 thousand dollars annually vehicles slightly higher than that but not much but then back down would I reserve this thing right now you can check for Reserve information I know that same information has been requested for the sewer fund and I sent information out to our Auditors uh Ryan and I did to get certified amounts of what was in our sewer fund and water [2:02:39] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: fund and so I am really on that for the next couple of months to work with absolutely these figures absolutely moving on to the Sewer fund again each of these operate independently so general fund water fund sewer fund looking at sewer revenues this figure is based on a 21 rate increase so that is the number that came out of our rate study um that amount Revenue would be at 21 605 716 dollars that number will change depending upon the rate increase um up or down our operating expenditures which will will not change unless we [2:03:26] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: um we will be looking at Cuts per department but also um you know what else comes into play between now and then is it the electric utility rates change is it you know what can we have in play between now and then we're going to exhaust all options as of right now our expenditures for 2023 are 757 817 dollars our debt payments in the sewer fund are 348 thousand dollars in 2023 so that leaves us a net income of a deficit of 152 101 dollars you will have our whatever absolutely and we do not have to set these percentages now I just want you to know what the rate studies are are [2:04:15] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: designating for the water and sewer fund and again we'll work on these over the next three months to see um what kind of magic we have up our sleeves and we will absolutely work on it at the bottom there's a couple options there between 15 to 25 you'll notice that with each percentage increase it's not a significant amount of money is generated which is why if we're going to write a ship and come out of a deficit that we need to start working on it now the fund amount will absolutely be influential as far as how fast we need to move or how much time we have but knowing that a 25 rate increase only generates thirty thousand dollars I mean [2:05:00] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: you're looking at having to do either consistent increases over a period of time however many years we have to work with will determine but the large rate increases don't substantiate a ton of money so for us it's how do we also cut expenses we have a thirty thousand dollar electric utility bill for our sewer fund annually so our electric utility bill within our Sewer Department um is more costly than what we could gain from a 25 rate increase is thrown out there the next fund is the liquor fund again independent I wanted to share projected [2:05:46] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: revenues and expenditures you'll see a significant difference between 2022 and 2023 again absolutely open for discussion sharing all the information we have thus far this the revenues and expenditures that are on this paper are going to um more closely aligned with what our actual expenditures are and just provide a little bit more transparency so for 2023 the liquor revenues are budgeted at 1.8 in dollars the liquor expenditures are budgeted at 1.7 1 million 737 thousand dollars for a net income of 63 thousand dollars [2:06:37] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: one thing about what we've identified throughout this process is the liquor fund is one where yes we were heavily undercutting what our expenditures are but we were also undercutting what our revenues are so it's not as bad as it again you can work the problem in the middle this is a department where we have Revenue so it benefits in other departments where we don't have revenue is where we're sliding stop uh the motor vehicle fund again you'll see a pretty significant difference between 2022 and 2023 I want to be clear that when we are setting our revenues and expenditure [2:07:23] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: budgets we are not just looking at 2022 we've actually gone all the way back to 2020 to try and make sense of all the numbers and so we aren't just taking one year into play but I'm only showing one year of reflected budget change so the DNB revenues are currently budgeted at 2 286 900 for 2023 dnp expenditures are budgeted at 2 million 357 995 dollars the motor vehicle department upon analysis is one where it's not the revenue impact isn't as substantial as within the liquor store so when you're looking at having to realign [2:08:09] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: expenditures like we did and our revenues are so tight and not as um vast or large as the liquor the liquor fund when we realigned our expenses we have a larger deficit so in 2023 we're looking at a deficit of 71.95 dollars I think in the last legislature there was a there was an item in there where they wanted to correct this Statewide because all the DMV All the Monies are going to the state nothing to the local cities that run the DMVs and that's been a contentious item for [2:08:58] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: years we're running it for the state but we get no funds and we end up locally paying for it but it's a service that the community wants but it's something we have to continue to look at um health insurance was a line item that um when we reevaluated contributed a significant amount to that 71 000 deficit so I I'm looking at all options um as far as what employee contributions look like you know a wage a wage increase of three [2:09:44] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: percent is included in here what what impact does that have if we're asking for employees to pay more for their health insurance what is the offset of that to a wage increase we are we are looking at absolutely everything and we will Whittle this down as best we can um I wanted to be really transparent with what we found through our expenditure side of things um and so we'll be diving into the revenue side of things moving forward also um and we've we've glanced at them I know or it looks like our local government Aid is going to increase twenty five thousand dollars over the course of the year and I know that our [2:10:30] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: um tax capacity figure with everybody's values increasing that should help us as well to what extent I don't have that answer yet I won't have that answer until September 30th so with the information I have thus far I included on the next page kind of a tax levy breakdown and I this uh visual is something that we have within our our workbook as when we're working the math in the background this is something that we utilize for decision making purposes so I wanted to show you what what we're seeing in the background now when we talk to our Auditors and they were aware of our our debt service [2:11:16] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: obligation statute legal finding this year they were throwing out figures like 12 um they can't put that in writing for me but that's what they're throwing out there 12 percent so um I want to do better than that at this point in time with the information we have thus far and needing to make sure that we are properly budgeting for our expenditures so that we aren't dipping into our reserves anymore uh for the initial Levy I am going to recommend that we align with what's in Auditors initially set at the 12 knowing that over the next three four months we will be doing absolutely everything we can to get that number down as far as we [2:12:02] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: possibly can I also want to add in there that you can set this 41. the Auditors May recommend that we may not want to do that locally here we may want to do this over a number of years to do it all in one year you can hit the public really hard you can hit them with every fee increase sewer water whatever and all this um I personally don't recommend doing that yeah I think you have to look at it over a number a year [2:12:48] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: process where we are making positive changes but to hit it all at once to me it's too much yeah and if this is they're doing their job that's what they have to do um and and like I said before administrators past administrators they did what they did we are where we're at they inherited it and now they've worked in a different way were it's a more balanced look instead of knowing they're going to go into the reserve but there's nothing wrong with that if we do it in a number of years also please I was just going to say the [2:13:34] **Council Member Douglas Juntunen**: taxpayers and the citizens are already getting pounded by a lot of other areas in the economy and by the federal government tax increases state county and that so I think this is this even without those tax increases is going to be an extreme extremely difficult year I also don't even know what how inflation or friends this our whole budget anyway you know that's going to continue going but we have done this before I know Chris we've been here so we've had to do this and we've had to do any increments to make it [2:14:19] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: I guess what would you say passable yeah and I didn't I think in those those years at that time there wasn't these these big Waters who were increases that we're looking at yeah I yeah so we have a couple of months of looking at possibilities and working with with the Power and Light and with other tightening of the budget looking at it as it goes through each year what what we're going to get information from the county on the 30th so we have October and November into [2:15:06] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: December when we make the final vote we'll set the maximum tonight as all of you know correct and uh then work from there to the final one for what it's worth if you look at a 12 increase and what that generates from the from the levy you're looking at 167 thousand dollars our electric utility bills are 180 000 a year that we're taking up taxpayer money today so um that alone if we if we can work through some of that over the course of the next couple months would have a significant impact on what we have to do in December [2:15:54] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: but once again this Levy only impacts the 29.71 percent of the people which is 100 high no matter how you slice it so I understand this is the worst case scenario and I'm finally playing whatever the maximum is right now because it's a difficult figure and it's a worst case scenario but I will not vote for anything that is going to only packed 29 of our population that's where we have to come up with a better solution [2:16:32] **Council Member Douglas Juntunen**: any any other items to go through I am open to all discussions we are going to keep working on things in the background we will plan to give updates at each council meeting between now and then of what what transpires what we find what ideas we generate what it looks like moving forward so we'll plan to have more continued discussions in October and um I if you have any questions please reach out it'll just make this statement um after 18 years we've been here done that we're going to get through this so we're going to operate in the city will be running and all departments will work the the modern power they'll be they'll [2:17:19] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: be working they'll be running um we're just going through the adjustment and this has happened like kissing like everybody every five years we seem to go through the Transitions and um then you have high years so I'm not worried where we're at and what this shows in fact it's it's good to know where you're at it's good to make adjustments like this I think that to do it this way is better than having the numbers that everything looks good and then depend on your general fund to pay for everything and everything balances at the end of that and that's [2:18:05] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: fine um I just think this would be a little tighter way of running the budget you chose a more balance every single month [2:18:21] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: and I to me I don't know the end result with everybody looking at you get that synergies and you come up with some good ideas and we'll come out with a good good medium somewhere we're just gonna we'll just get there between now and December do you need anything else from us tonight on this is an Edition that's it and like Doug said this is the figure this is the highest this is where we're starting we'll work down from there so any other questions under a motion [2:19:06] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: I have lots of significant monsters important it's not fun setting the high highest increase I have faith and I don't think we'll be somewhere there will be a balance I'll make that motion send it at 12 percent the max do I have a second [2:19:52] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: any further discussion yeah no further discussion all in favor say aye you're the young guys [2:20:14] **Council Member Douglas Juntunen**: I just think it's unacceptable sorry that's it I just think the maximum Levy is unacceptable I understand it's the worst case scenario but that's not a good enough answer for me that's all and and I know it's a hypothetical figure it just it drives me nuts discussions that we've had in the last couple weeks and uh well if I don't have any I can't move on so and then somebody else left Maybe yeah okay okay seven is the highest started off at seven that's the highest University [2:21:02] **Council Member Douglas Juntunen**: okay I have a motion on the floor at seven do I have a second [2:21:16] **Council Member Walter Lower III**: I will make a second all in favor say aye I I will say I because I'm not going to vote for anything higher than a figure that I have so this is just the worst case scenario and it's not December or we haven't made their decision right Chris no well I I know don't vote Yes but uh motion passes the highest celebrity has said that seven percent [2:22:04] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: from there thank you thanks for the presentation and to work on it we have [2:22:18] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: her letters on number seven reports and correspondence letters of commendation to me absolutely [2:22:40] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: Darren you wanna read these things [2:23:04] **Chief Darren**: all right yeah so you know usually wait uh to our years and when we meet and you know typically with uh you know you know people listen there as well before we recognize any of the work that's been done throughout the year so that's why you see all of them coming in now the first letter of combination is for Sarah he says I'd like to formally and sincerely express my gratitude for your amazing the work you accomplished prior and during National Night Out August 2nd 2022 to single-handedly organized fundraise planned and executed the event that was a huge success this year included a new venue and approximately 7 800 people your attention to detail was impressive and showed exceptional discipline and dedication to the Moose Lake Police Department and the community of Moose Lake I've received numerous remarks praising the national Idol event and their success as a direct result of your [2:23:49] **Chief Darren**: efforts you and your mom took your personal time to make t-shirts for the department members and let her a newly acquired temp for the event your commitment to our department in the city of Moose Lake continues to amaze me I want you to know that you're a valued member of the department and we're so lucky to have you once again thank you for your hard work and making our community a better place to live the next one is for the letter of appreciation to Chad Patterson this letter of appreciation is the recognition of your efforts in the development of the newly assigned Blue state Police Department training program you have subtleties taking on the role of the training coordinator for the entire department we've recently received new aeds in which you attempted to train the trainer you set up and program the new aeds and are in the process of training all of our officers your firearms and armor instructor and [2:24:37] **Chief Darren**: have conducted several qualifications with high degree of professionalism and organization you're currently coordinating efforts to get all of our officers up to date and evoc pip in our your record keeping is a contributing factor in the success of our most recent post audit um I recognize the extra time and effort you put forth into this project which displays your elevated motivation and professionalism you have taken on this role without extra monetary incentives and your work goes above and beyond the norm I wanted to personally thank you for helping to improve the quality of our department and keeping our officers safe in the process keep up the good work the next one is for officer Couture this is a letter accommodation this letter combination is presented in the recognition of the success of your hard work during the extremely populated egg and Days event on July 16 2022. [2:25:25] **Chief Darren**: on 2022 80 Days event side you saw its largest crowd to date with an estimated twenty thousand thirty thousand people you worked hard to attain an unprecedented levels of citizen service and protection throughout the event with every street packed a single Lane use only traffic direction and enforcement was extremely difficult the 80 day Stampede saw an estimated 6 000 people in a two block stretch of roadway in which you provided medical treatment to an injured participant the event required being on foot for several hours at the time and the temperatures were near 90 degrees your increased visibility and use of community problem solving yielded tremendous results your actions reflect highly enough only upon yourself but also the image and reputation of the Moose Lake Police Department is this kind of effort that displays confidence and Trust From the people we serve [2:26:12] **Chief Darren**: I would like to personally thank you for your actions during this event and throughout the year you're a valued member of the Moose Lake Police Department this is for one of our part-time officers uh Dave radzak we have definitely we usually haven't had them come in but this year you know wanted to invite any of that wanted to come in and you know go through what everybody else is and get that message of where we want to go for the year but this letter is a letter of appreciation this letter is to appreciated for the great service here provided the Moose Lake Police Department in the city of Moose Lake I'm highly pleased with your work and your willingness to fill shifts on a regular basis I know your primary job is demanding with a tough schedule but you continuously take short notice shifts to assist our department in the city of Moose Lake with an increased demand for law enforcement officers along with the shortage of officers the [2:26:57] **Chief Darren**: Moose Lake Police Department relies heavily on our department part-time officers you have been our most relied upon officer and we could not have managed without your help your work ethic knowledge and experience are highly desirable and we're lucky to have you I personally want to thank you for all that you have done and for us and I truly appreciate your efforts your true Assets in the Moose Lake Police Department and the City of Moose Lake and we're fortunate to have you so that's one of the things that we've been having kind of an issue now with and you know when we're looking at budget things is getting part-time people that are willing to take shifts you know they've got a lot of overtime in their own things and then to try to get them to feel especially during the summer time so it's critical that we have these part-time people that step up and take those you know it's one of the things that budget Wise It's hard for me to even work on when we're constantly having to pay overtime you know for others to build a shift or I'm feeling a shift or however it goes but Dave is [2:27:43] **Chief Darren**: constantly been picking up debt for us and this last one here is to Officer Jason Surratt I'd like to thank you on behalf of the Moose Lake Police Department and the City of New slave for yourself the service you offer the community on 629.22 and that involved a Pursuit uh 6 29 2020 approximately always 45 hours you recognized and attempted to stop a violin fell in with multiple DLC warrants you're going to be traffic stop the subject flooding a motor vehicle without hesitation you engaged in the pursuit the pursuit left the city of Moose Lake headed east on County Road 8 towards Minnesota Trump Highway 23. you conducted yourself in a professional manner and followed Pursuit protocol your decision making was excellent throughout the course of the pursuit the subjects has spled for numerous agencies in the past and needed to be taken off [2:28:29] **Chief Darren**: the street and out of our community even when pearlton County stated they would not be coming for help you continued in your efforts to apprehend the subject the pursuit reached speeds up well over 100 miles per hour and you risk your personal safety for your community at the termination of the pursuit you gave law of vertical mass to the suspect leading to the apprehension without further resistance your attempts to protect the citizens are truly commendable and deserve an abundance of gratitude we thank you for making our city a safer and more comfortable place to live that is it so it's kind of nice to be able to recognize who could work better people do and usually replacing their personnel file yeah let's just uh we got a big group of people and so I just want to try to keep them recognize the good work thanks Darren yeah good job yourself yeah I don't [2:29:16] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: really appreciate you doing this thanks actually I think everything that happened kind of reflects the chief I appreciate that thank you go ahead [2:29:34] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: it moves us down to 7f DNR Lieutenant Grant spelled Rich communication well yes I just wanted to intuitive communication that we received from the DNR um officially they are showing their appreciation for the city staff for the assistance they've provided the DNR says bill edner has been exceptional to work with on a couple of different projects He has been ready and willing to make positive steps and suggested solutions to make these happen specifically talking about open communication with matters regarding the ATV traffic in the city accessing local businesses and APD creating a trail to make a positive solution happen secondly in May the DNR had to deal with some [2:30:20] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: escaped captive elk in the Moose Lake Area they are bound by Statute and procedure to assist the producer and help with capture removal of the escaped animals I closely work with the producer and came up with a plan to remove once located they escape to elsewhere located on City owned property and removed as um we were found under statute to remove them at this point I again want to say thank you to your city employees for their assistance in locating and moving to animals once I was able thanks Phil good job thank you Alyssa thank you [2:31:02] **Phil Entner (City Superintendent)**: moving on to 17 Moose Lake City hall inspection discussion so yeah turns out we have a sprinkler system in City Hall which some of us do a lot of people don't in terms of has to be inspected yearly that's what this is in terms of entry form they're working up some estimates for us as to what type of Maintenance these need to get done to it and when I get both estimates what we're include in the back and you will see them successful um the inspection yeah yeah except the sprinklers are getting too many yeah we have quite a few accidents coming this way yeah we have a lot [2:31:49] **Phil Entner (City Superintendent)**: there is estimates coming and we will they will be back to you guys before we're moving them in a contract with uh creation of the Patrol panel of correct so preparing the same thing thank you any questions committee and board meeting minutes Moose Lake Area Fire District August 11th 2022 that's in your packet number nine announcements regular Moose Lake City council meeting Wednesday October 12th at 4 pm right here Moose Lake Economic Development Authority Wednesdays of 20 [2:32:36] **Mayor Jim Michalski**: September 21st 12 p.m City conference room we'll take Water and Light commission regular meeting Tuesday September 20th 1 pm water light office Moose Lake Housing and Redevelopment Authority board Monday October 10th 11 A.M Hillside Manor office Moose Lake Area Fire District Tuesday October 11th 6 30 p.m Emergency Response Center and Moose Lake Park board meeting Monday October 3rd 5 p.m right here any other questions is there anything Alyssa you want to bring up [2:33:21] **Ellissa Owens (City Administrator)**: anybody would be interested or willing to attend the Water and Light meeting next Tuesday at 1 pm I think that could be really beneficial for discussions moving forward thank you do we have an adjournment for a second second all in favor say aye aye aye opposed adjourned thank you