This transcript contains a workshop session and a regular city council meeting. Based on the context provided and the names mentioned in the dialogue, I have attributed the speakers accordingly. **Note on Names:** The transcript mentions **Councilmember Cole** and **Councilmember Wong**, who were not in your provided list but are clearly active in this session. I have also identified the Finance Director as **Jason Zimmerman**, though he is frequently referred to as "Dan" in the transcript. *** **[00:00] Mayor John Monge:** Order roll call please. **[00:02] City Staff:** Councilmember Cole? **[00:03] Councilmember Cole:** Here. **[00:04] City Staff:** Councilmember Schweer? **[00:05] Councilmember Cassidy Schweer:** Here. Recording stopped. Councilmember Wong is absent. Councilmember Nordby? **[00:10] Councilmember Jason Nordby:** Here. **[00:11] Mayor John Monge:** Mayor Monge here. Thank you. Thank you. Can I get a motion to adopt the agenda? **[00:15] Councilmember Jason Nordby:** So moved. **[00:16] Councilmember Cassidy Schweer:** Second. **[00:17] Mayor John Monge:** You pick. All those in favor say aye. **[00:19] Council Members:** Aye. Aye. Aye. **[00:20] Mayor John Monge:** Thank you. All right. Recording in progress. Thank you. We got three topics tonight. First one up is our canine presentation. We have Ramsey County here and I think we'll have Chief Baebenroth to start us off. Thank you, Chief. **[00:35] Police Chief Phil Baebenroth:** Good. Hi everyone. Mr. Mayor, City Council. Happy to be here today. This presentation is kind of the culmination of two years of research and conversations and training. A lot of it credit is due to Sergeant Ben Badowicz; he kind of spearheaded our venture into exploring everything K-9 program related. So happy to finally deliver some information on the topic and very honored to have some good folks here with us: Ramsey County Sheriff's Deputy Tony Body, Rick Verdine, and Steve Pearson from Performance Kennels. And canine Zeus in the background you might hear occasionally. **[01:15] Police Chief Phil Baebenroth:** So it started off—just a little about canines in Ramsey County. There's a total of five agencies currently that have police canines: Roseville, Mounds View, Ramsey County, Maplewood, and St. Paul. We’re currently dependent on one of these agencies having a K-9 on shift when the situation ever arises where we would need them to help us out on an incident. Some of those recent incidents have been searching for homicide suspects, firearms shooting suspects, missing kids, vulnerable adults, building searches, drugs, and search warrant executions. **[01:50] Police Chief Phil Baebenroth:** What does a K-9 program bring to an agency? Definite enhancement of the delivery of Public Safety, starting off with the bread and butter: search and rescue operations, also searching for evidence—firearms, weapons. Dogs can get into places that people physically cannot get into, including spaces or places where it would be more dangerous to send a police officer. They can search and locate missing children, vulnerable and high-risk people; they can smell narcotics; they enhance officer safety; they're great for community engagement; and then de-escalating and diffusing countless situations. **[02:30] Police Chief Phil Baebenroth:** A couple recent incidents: on September 19th, 2021, North St. Paul police officers responded to Housing Park for a shooting... [Details of shooting incident]. Because we didn't have a canine of our own, we put in the request... In this particular case, it was 26 minutes later we were able to get some assistance, and at that time the suspect was gone. This isn't a slam on our assisting agencies, we're very thankful at any time we're getting assistance, but just that's the reality of police work. **[03:30] Police Chief Phil Baebenroth:** A couple other requests: we had two recent searches of North High School for firearms... burglaries at the VFW and Legion... a homicide on McKnight on June 19th... In that case, the Mounds View canine team actually located a set of keys that one of the suspects was carrying. Just last year alone: 27 burglaries, 461 suspicious activities, 34 weapons calls, two homicides, 19 missing persons, 143 domestic assaults. So really the amount of incidents where if we would have had a canine they would have benefited the incident, the numbers are pretty high. **[04:40] Police Chief Phil Baebenroth:** It also enhances our department just operationally—helps with retention and recruitment. Having a canine program on our agency would be a huge benefit. On the officer development and growth, there's a minimum for canine handler training of 16 hours a month. It also allows us to be a resource for other agencies... our ultimate goal is strengthening trust within our community. **[05:30] Police Chief Phil Baebenroth:** Operationally, the goal would be to have one canine on the day shift and one on the night shift... Funding: the 2023 Public Safety Aid bill... North St. Paul is expected to receive about $542,000. My intention would be to spend some of these funds on our K-9 program. What do these costs actually look like? [Listing costs: Dog $12k, Vet $1.5k, Squad car $90k, etc.]. For a 2 K-9 program, the initial cost is the big price tag... total would be $230,400. On an annual basis, it’s $33,600. The Fair Labor Standards Act mandates that we must compensate the K-9 handler for at-home care... that ends up being $25,000 a year for two handlers. **[07:35] Police Chief Phil Baebenroth:** Here to talk more about actual training and experiences is Deputy Tony Body, who's a K-9 handler. I’ve known Tony a long time; a great person, great police officer. Tony, I can roll right into your slides here. **[07:50] Deputy Tony Body:** Okay. So this is just a little bit of my background. I’m assigned to carjacking and auto theft and our apprehension unit... I’ve been K-9 the last three years. Next slide. There's my buddy, that is Canine Cross. He's a German Shepherd and Malinois mix, four years old. We have been involved in a lot of K-9 work... about 80% of the agencies in the metro area that I've gone to help with Cross. **[08:40] Deputy Tony Body:** Life at home... I built a kennel, probably overkill, but my dog is very cushioned. He is very stable around my kids; I have two boys at home. He is very good at being able to tell the difference between when we're off and when we're on duty. Next slide. Before I got my dog, this is what my garage looked like. I added on another 500 square feet... I use that space to train. Next slide. These dogs are not savage wild animals that go out and bite people for no reason. My dog will apprehend people when I tell him to. At home, these people don't look afraid of him; he's part of our family. **[10:30] Deputy Tony Body:** This is what our training looks like. Steve will go a little bit more into training. A lot of these concepts I learned from Steve. Compulsion—we're not hitting the dogs. A lot of it is Pavlovian; it's a reward system. Certification for the county is MPCA. Demos help your transparency. People love dogs. If I crash my car into a wall, there would be more Facebook notes to the Sheriff about how the dog is doing and no one will care about how I'm doing. Lastly, the vet—you want to choose a vet that's available 24 hours a day. **[12:15] Deputy Tony Body:** Deployments... narcotics, assisting other agencies, SWAT specialty units, and feds. Search and rescue—missing kids, great-grandmas. Criminal tracking and trailing. Criminal apprehension—I don't like the word "bite" because it sounds like liability; the correct term is apprehension. Next slide. Notable deployments: your last homicide in your city, my dog was involved in two of those arrests... [Details of Maplewood incident]. I want to introduce again Steve Pearson from Performance Kennels. Steve was in law enforcement for over 30 years and he's been training canines for almost just as long. **[14:10] Steve Pearson:** All right, thank you. I'm just going to go over real briefly what the basic training package looks like. It's a 12-week program... we cover narcotics detection and patrol work. Patrol work is tracking, evidence search—guns, shell casings. A lot of people think about patrol dogs and it’s just "bite, bite, bite." That is just not the case. The biting part is a deterrent. Where do the dogs come from? They come from Eastern Europe—Slovakia. That’s where the working lines of the German Shepherd ended up. I’d like to answer questions rather than waste time having me talk. **[15:55] Councilmember Cassidy Schweer:** Just quick, what is the service life of the dog? **[16:00] Steve Pearson:** A patrol dog will work until roughly between the ages of seven and ten. **[16:10] Councilmember Cassidy Schweer:** How old are they when we get them? **[16:12] Steve Pearson:** 11 to 14 months. They’re young. **[16:25] Councilmember Jason Nordby:** I could be completely wrong here. My understanding is the dogs that are deployed right now that have been trained to detect marijuana need to be recycled out. Is that creating a backlog? **[16:40] Steve Pearson:** No, it's really not. We stopped training marijuana dogs three to four years ago. The dogs I've been doing the last three and a half, four years have not been on marijuana. They are on fentanyl, however. **[17:20] Councilmember Cassidy Schweer:** Talk to me a little bit about two dogs versus one. This is new to me, so completely curious. **[17:30] Police Chief Phil Baebenroth:** Kind of like I hinted on, if you have one canine and the canine gets injured, then you're out. If you have two, you can keep your K-9 program rolling. The other element is the training factor... if you have two, they can train together versus one having to hit up another agency, which often leads to overtime costs. **[18:35] Deputy Tony Body:** I also think for retention... it increases interest. Secondly, from an operations standpoint, having a daytime canine and a nighttime canine is two different kinds of businesses. In a moment with a canine, you defeat injuries to officers and a use-of-force issue by simply having a canine there. **[19:40] Police Chief Phil Baebenroth:** I can just add to that... within the department over the past two years, we have a lot of young great officers, and I think there's at least six that would be absolutely interested in being K-9 handlers. **[20:10] Councilmember Jason Nordby:** And Tony, this can either follow you or Steve. Are you the only handler? One dog, one handler? **[20:25] Steve Pearson:** One dog, one handler. That dog has to bond to the handler. We start day one—the handlers hand-feed the dogs for months to get that bond going. **[20:50] Mayor John Monge:** If an officer leaves... how do we handle that? **[21:00] Steve Pearson:** If the dog is young enough, you simply train the dog to a new handler. If the dog is eight years old, it's not economically worthwhile. **[21:25] Mayor John Monge:** Mounds View—how many do they have? **[21:28] Steve Pearson:** Two. **[21:30] Mayor John Monge:** Steve, how many dogs have you received that are untrainable? **[21:35] Steve Pearson:** The dogs that I get—I wouldn't bring them back here if they weren't trainable. I work that out with my guy in Slovakia. I will never give a department a dog that's broken. **[22:25] Councilmember Jason Nordby:** Can you just describe the benefits of German Shepherds versus some of the other types? **[22:35] Steve Pearson:** For dual-purpose patrol dogs, we use German Shepherd and German Shepherd Malinois crosses. The downside to a single-purpose dog (like Labs) is that you lose the ability to use that dog as a deterrent. My dogs are social and they have to be. We spend a lot of time training "just because you can doesn't mean you should." **[24:15] Councilmember Cole:** It's not adding another officer at night? One officer would be canine and the other two would just be regular street patrol? **[24:25] Police Chief Phil Baebenroth:** Correct. It's not a person increase; it's just assigning officers to become canine handlers. **[24:35] Councilmember Cassidy Schweer:** If this works out... could you describe to us the process? I'm assuming we have to develop rules... public input? **[24:50] Police Chief Phil Baebenroth:** We’ve been researching for two years and have all the surrounding agencies' policies. We're near completion of our own policy. As far as the selection process, I would absolutely lean on the current programs and Steve and Tony to be a part of that. **[25:50] Mayor John Monge:** Another question with training—if you have two of them, wouldn't there still be overtime because you guys are 12-hour shifts? **[26:00] Police Chief Phil Baebenroth:** We could get creative on their training schedule to make the overlap occur on their set training days. It would be regular time instead of overtime wages. **[26:35] Councilmember Cole:** When they're doing the training, is that going to leave you down people on the street? **[26:40] Police Chief Phil Baebenroth:** Not any different than someone on vacation. If there was a big incident, they could put the pause on training and go help. **[27:00] Mayor John Monge:** All right. Well, I think we're appreciative of the information. Thank you so much for coming. I did a whip by with the dog up front—I do want to see the dog. [Laughter]. Thank you all for this time. **[28:20] Deputy Tony Body:** [Showing dog] Beautiful dog... He's a Shepherd, there's the Shepherd. **[28:35] Steve Pearson:** This is one of the specialties too. Narcotics certified. **[28:50] Mayor John Monge:** Are you enjoying your assignment, officer? Is it at home? **[28:55] Police Officer (K9 Handler):** Yes, it's awesome. **[29:05] Mayor John Monge:** Thank you so much. Thank you gentlemen. **[29:15] City Manager Brian Frandle:** Okay, thanks for the opportunity. We've got two presentations that are going to follow the police presentation. There is a piece of city property at 17th Avenue and Delaware Street that we've owned for over a decade. We issued an RFP and received three responses, two of which will be presentations tonight. The first will be Tracy Luther and Doug Andrus... Oh, well the other people are here if you want to do them first. **[30:00] Mayor John Monge:** We're early. We’re going to switch the order so High Point will be our first presentation. **[31:00] Kim Kerry (High Point Land Group):** Hello. Hi, I'm Kim Kerry with High Point Land. **[31:05] Mayor John Monge:** You're a little taller than the last one! [Laughter]. **[31:15] Kim Kerry:** We were going to just start our little video. [Video plays showing Royal Club development]. **[31:50] Kim Kerry:** So, who is High Point Group? We did the Royal Club development... we have been in the land development business for probably north of 30 years. This particular site is important to us because I'm from Mahtomedi and I happened to marry a Shivsky... which are right over there. We’ve done thousands of units in five different states. What we specialize in is community relationship—listening to what the community needs. **[33:15] Kim Kerry:** As far as the price goes, it's going to really depend on the number of units. Both of our drawings were an attached product. I think you have to be price-sensitive in that neighborhood to have a product that fits in. The Shivsky companies—my nephew does most of our infrastructure work, and they're obviously right here in town too. **[34:10] Councilmember Cassidy Schweer:** So the plans we received show four-unit clusters. Is that what you're looking at doing? One story or two? **[34:20] Kim Kerry:** It would be a two. This is a plan that was under contract with 12 units—six twin homes. I think the price would be a conversation driven by density. If we had resistance from the neighborhood, we’d audible to something less dense. **[35:10] Mayor John Monge:** Well, I've lived around here for many years. We have housing for both ends—we need more family and we have older people in the area that need one level. **[35:45] Kim Kerry:** I would agree. This might be a reverse of that where you have family affordability... but it has to be price-sensitive. **[36:05] Councilmember Cole:** When I look at that area, there's really not tall buildings. That area is pretty much all one-story ramblers. High buildings and density there—that concerns me. **[36:20] Kim Kerry:** I think if we took this plan and changed the two end units to one level, we'd be going in the right direction. **[36:35] Councilmember Cassidy Schweer:** On this plan, is that going to be a park or just a wetland on the East end? **[37:00] Kim Kerry:** We'd be wide open. We're going to need some ponding and then some open space. A neighborhood meeting is really important. We just intro ourselves tonight; beyond the meeting, those are all things we can talk about. **[37:45] Tracy Luther:** [Approaching] I'm Doug Andrus and you probably all know Tracy. [Laughter]. **[37:50] Doug Andrus:** I'll start off by saying we will not be building a golf course. [Laughter]. This plan here—the problem with this site is that it's only 125 feet narrow. You can't fit them buildings in here. You have your sewer and water going all the way through; you cannot put buildings on an acre and a half of worthless property. We tried to put this road in... you have about $750,000 worth of work just putting in the road and sewer. It's just not feasible. **[38:50] Doug Andrus:** So we thought the best thing for this property is if we just divide it into six lots—standard city lots. You don't need a PUD. These are made to setbacks. We’d build regular single-family homes on them. **[39:25] Tracy Luther:** Doug and I did the project on 7th and 6th Street very recently... we have the history of working with the city. This meets all code. It's going to raise the tax base considerably. We're not asking the city for any money; we’ll finance it ourselves. **[40:15] Councilmember Cassidy Schweer:** Just to make sure I'm understanding it right, the "panhandle" would be landlocked though, right? **[40:20] Doug Andrus:** Yes. No public access to it unless the city—we give the land to the city. **[40:35] Mayor John Monge:** I thought at one time you were discussing like a villa, like a one level? **[40:40] Doug Andrus:** The problem is they face 17th. They're not really in a cluster like a townhouse. It's tougher to sell them that way. We found seniors are moving into the multi-level ones on 6th Street. **[41:05] Councilmember Cole:** How many square feet would the houses be? **[41:10] Doug Andrus:** They’d be around—I brought a couple we did on 6th Street... [Holding up photos]. Split entries. You can't build anything for less than $400,000 now. **[41:50] Mayor John Monge:** Any idea what your final price for the homes would be? **[42:00] Doug Andrus:** Probably around $450,000 or so. **[42:25] Councilmember Jason Nordby:** May I ask if there's any interest in exploring a little bit more density? **[42:30] Doug Andrus:** These lots are already small. If you go less, you can't build the house. If the house is too small, they're tougher to sell. **[43:00] Councilmember Cassidy Schweer:** My concern is if we're talking about our elders... if it's too big, then that's a lot to clean. **[43:10] Doug Andrus:** This would be for anybody—first-time homebuyers, middle home buyers. We found townhouses are what retains these folks in North St. Paul. **[44:00] Mayor John Monge:** All right. Any other questions? Thanks guys. **[44:20] Mayor John Monge:** Do we give direction here tonight? **[44:35] City Manager Brian Frandle:** Ultimately, the direction staff is seeking—it doesn't have to be tonight. **[44:45] Mayor John Monge:** I'm new for me, but the contrast—and do we get into the details? **[44:50] Brandy Hower (Community Development Director):** I think it's difficult to navigate the capacity without the detailed engineering studies. Currently, it's zoned for single-family, but our comp plan recommends medium density. **[45:10] Councilmember Jason Nordby:** I lean more towards the High Point because it aligns with our comp plan and density is important. I like the park idea. **[45:30] Councilmember Cole:** My own concern is to the neighborhood. I don't want to be too massive. The height of the homes concerns me. **[45:50] Councilmember Cassidy Schweer:** I wasn't in this position last time Bruggeman brought this forward, but there was quite a bit of feedback from the public about concerns about high density. **[46:10] Councilmember Cole:** I got more questions than I have directions. **[46:25] Brandy Hower:** It would be helpful to send your questions to staff so we can provide a report for the next meeting. **[46:40] Mayor John Monge:** Let’s get the questions and understand it. We’ll go from there for August. Call for adjournment. **[46:50] Councilmember Jason Nordby:** So moved. **[46:51] Councilmember Cole:** Second. **[46:52] Mayor John Monge:** All those in favor say aye. **[46:53] Council Members:** Aye. *** *(Transition to the regular Council meeting)* **[47:00] Mayor John Monge:** I pledge allegiance to the flag... Thank you. Roll call. **[47:15] City Staff:** Councilmember Cole? [Present]. Schweer? [Present]. Wong? [Present]. Nordby? [Present]. Mayor Monge? [Present]. **[47:30] Mayor John Monge:** A motion to adopt the agenda please. **[47:32] Councilmember Wong:** So moved. **[47:33] Councilmember Jason Nordby:** Second. **[47:34] Mayor John Monge:** Aye. Thank you. **[47:40] City Manager Brian Frandle:** Thank you, Mayor. The consent agenda tonight... [Listing items A through J]. **[48:15] Mayor John Monge:** Anybody looking to pull anything out? If not, a motion. **[48:20] Councilmember Wong:** So moved, your honor. **[48:22] Councilmember Jason Nordby:** Second. **[48:23] Mayor John Monge:** All those in favor say aye. Aye. Thank you very much. All right, next is open to the public. Leanne? **[48:35] Leanne Weiner:** Hello. My name is Leanne Weiner, this is my father Mark Weiner. I live at 2475 2nd Avenue East. I’m coming to share some concerns. I have water encroaching on my property. On July 4th, we had a short storm and there was a lot of sewer backup into my yard. I have pictures here. I just get worried as to what a longer-term storm could do. **[49:30] Mayor John Monge:** Did you get water in your house? **[49:32] Leanne Weiner:** I didn't, but it was only raining for 60 minutes. **[49:45] Mayor John Monge:** Would you be willing to send those digitally to Brian? **[49:50] Mark Weiner:** I've lived in a home for years. It's a relative concern because if it does creep up into the property, it could cause significant damage. **[50:15] Sean Rivet:** Sean Rivet, 2483 Second Avenue East. 12 years ago, I had over six feet of water in my basement. I live right next door to Leanne. Last year, the DNR offered to help purchase my house to put in a pond. Two council members said yes, two said no, and the Mayor said no. I sent you guys a video... it gets knee-deep in front of my house. I'm looking for a remedy. **[52:00] Mayor John Monge:** We'll get together with the City Manager Brian and we'll discuss it. **[52:10] City Manager Brian Frandle:** I'll get back to you by the end of this week. **[52:20] John Schmall:** John Schmall, 2750 Chisholm Avenue. Three items. First, round of applause to whoever put the time of the meeting on the first sheet. Second, July 4th at Casey Lake Park. This was the second worst time. Fireworks went on until 10:30. No police presence. Third, the meeting on East Metro groundwater... we've got 10,000 lakes, but groundwater is finite. Thank you. **[54:30] Mayor John Monge:** Thanks, John. Action items. Brandy? **[54:35] Brandy Hower:** The next four items are related to the Lily project development. First is the TBRA Grant agreement... [Explaining the Met Council grant and sub-grant agreement]. **[55:45] Mayor John Monge:** Do we have a motion for those two? **[55:50] Councilmember Cassidy Schweer:** So moved. **[55:51] Councilmember Wong:** Second. [Approved]. **[56:00] Brandy Hower:** Item C is a security agreement for the Lily Redevelopment. I would ask that Michaela from Baker Tilly present. **[56:10] Michaela (Baker Tilly):** Good evening. Essentially, this is a security agreement requested by the developer’s lender, Sunrise Banks. It pledges the tax increment from the city directly to Sunrise to repay the obligation. It’s standard practice for collateralizing the TIF note. **[57:45] Mayor John Monge:** Motion? **[57:50] Councilmember Cole:** So moved. **[57:51] Councilmember Wong:** Second. [Approved]. **[58:10] Jim (Developer):** I really just can't say enough kind words about all of you. This deal would not be happening if it wasn't for you folks. We’re scheduled to close next week. **[58:35] Brandy Hower:** Item D—the TBRA Grant requires that the city have adopted a fair housing policy. **[59:15] Mayor John Monge:** Motion? **[59:20] Councilmember Wong:** So moved. **[59:21] Councilmember Jason Nordby:** Second. [Approved]. **[59:30] Brandy Hower:** Next is the parking lot paving at 2579 7th Avenue East. The EDA determined the condition is not conducive to attracting development. They selected a plan to pave the lot and add greenery for $52,000. The EDA would fund 50% and is seeking $26,272 from the City Council. **[61:00] Councilmember Cole:** I was opposed to it at the EDA meeting. The city has a lack of soft space. To take a lot and pave it over completely doesn't meet what the city can use. **[61:50] Councilmember Cassidy Schweer:** Where can we get water to main to try to do this? **[62:00] Brandy Hower:** We don't know where the standpipe is. We could ask a business on either side to allow a hose for summertime watering. **[62:40] Councilmember Jason Nordby:** I agree that area is a lot of concrete. Green space would bring beautification. **[63:50] Councilmember Cassidy Schweer:** I would at a minimum table this and ask for other options and quotes. **[64:45] Jason Zimmerman (Finance Director):** From a finance perspective, I would table it and direct staff to develop three options: full paving, artificial turf, and real grass. **[65:50] Mayor John Monge:** Motion to table till August 15th with those directions? **[65:55] Councilmember Cassidy Schweer:** So moved. **[65:56] Councilmember Wong:** Second. [Approved]. **[66:10] Jason Zimmerman:** 2024 Budget discussion. The driving factors are personnel costs, debt, local government aid, and I.T. costs. Right now, we have a preliminary budget at a 5.5% levy increase. **[68:30] Mary Kay (Finance Staff):** [Explaining the new CIP book format]. We have more detail that helps get better descriptions. Every project has a priority ranking from 1 (critical) to 5. The total requests for 2024 are just under $5.3 million. **[71:40] Mayor John Monge:** I love the CIP and the ranking piece. **[72:00] Jason Zimmerman:** We need to look for some special sessions in August so we can get meetings with our department heads. **[73:40] Councilmember Cassidy Schweer:** Is there a benefit to being close on this maximum levy? **[73:55] Jason Zimmerman:** Whatever we certify will be in the Truth in Taxation notices. You don't want to put alarm into residents by setting it at 20% if you intend 5%. **[75:50] City Manager Brian Frandle:** [City Manager's Report]. Public Works got the mill and overlay done. Downtown project is going well. PD is doing gun trigger locks. Fire department doing smoke detector replacements. **[79:00] Councilmember Jason Nordby:** Planning Commission met July 6th; next one is August 3rd. **[79:15] Councilmember Wong:** Arts and Culture Commission is launching phase two of the utility wraps. **[79:30] Councilmember Cassidy Schweer:** Parks and Rec has food truck night on July 26th. **[79:50] Councilmember Cole:** EDA meeting was July 11th; next one is August 8th. **[81:00] Mayor John Monge:** I had the opportunity to attend ribbon cuttings at Sweetie’s Candy and Hang Time Boards. Busy month. Motion to recess to the HRA meeting. **[81:40] Councilmember Wong:** So moved. [Approved]. *** *(HRA Meeting)* **[82:00] Chair John Monge:** Roll call. [All present]. Brandy? **[82:15] Brandy Hower:** Discussion of the 2024 HRA budget. Revenues are from the anticipated sale of the student-built house on Eldridge. Expenditures include $280,000 for potential property acquisition to continue that program. **[84:00] Commissioner Cassidy Schweer:** I’d like to entertain inviting someone from Planning and EDA to housing just to give us a wider perspective. **[85:00] Chair John Monge:** Now that they're working on the foundation of their last lot, I want to make sure to reach out to Northeast Metro Tech. **[85:20] City Manager Brian Frandle:** I reached out to have a meeting. Tom might be sticking around a little longer, which benefits us. **[86:40] Chair John Monge:** Motion to adjourn HRA and reconvene regular session. **[86:50] Councilmember Wong:** So moved. [Approved]. **[87:10] Mayor John Monge:** Motion to go into closed session for the performance review of the City Manager Brian Frandle. **[87:15] Councilmember Cassidy Schweer:** So moved. **[87:16] Councilmember Jason Nordby:** Second. [Approved].