[ COUNCIL RECESS ] >>ORLANDO GUDES: ROLL CALL. >>BILL CARLSO: HERE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HERE. >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE. >>LUIS VIERA: HERE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE. >ORLANDO GUDES: HERE. >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM. >>ORLANDO GUDES: BEFORE WE START, GENTLEMEN, I DID NOT LOOK AT THE NEWS THIS MORNING. AS I WAS EATING MY LUNCH I TURNED ON THE TELEVISION TO CNN. I DID NOT KNOW WE HAD A DEVASTATING SITUATION IN MIAMI. I WATCHED THE VIDEO FOOTAGE OF THAT. THE VIDEO FOOTAGE IS HORRENDOUS. THERE ARE GOING TO BE MANY CASUALTIES. AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR THOSE FAMILIES, THE FIREFIGHTERS, AS THEY TRY TO SEARCH AND FIND FOLKS LOVED ONES. THEY ARE GOING TO NEED OUR PRAYERS. IF WE COULD TAKE A MOMENT OF SILENCE PLEASE. (MOMENT OF SILENCE). I THANK YOU. WE ARE GOING TO JUMP IN MR. SHELBY TO ITEM NUMBER 9. I KNOW WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR A WHILE. GENTLEMEN, DO YOU PREFER THAT STAFF GO WITH THE PRESENTATION AND THEN WE HEAR FROM ANYONE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, OR DO YOU WANT TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THOSE FOLKS FIRST? >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK IT'S BETTER FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON WHATEVER THEY HEAR, UNLESS THEY DON'T WANT TO WAIT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE WILL GO AHEAD. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING? IF THE STAFF WANTS TO DO THE PRESENTATION, AND THEN WE WILL HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC. >>JEAN DUNCAN: GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR INTEREST THIS AFTERNOON REGARDING OUR PURE PROJECTS. AS I SAID A COUPLE TIMES, THIS PURE BASICALLY IS OUR ACRONYM FOR PURIFIED USABLE RESOURCES FOR THE ENVIRONMENT, A PROCESS THAT WE SUSPECT WILL END UP WITH A PROJECT FOR TAMPA INTERESTED IN SUSTAINABILITY AND RESILIENCY. I WANT TO THE TAKE A MOMENT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE WILL BE INTRODUCING OUR CONSULTANT TEAM WHO IS ON THE SECOND FLOOR. WE ALSO HAVE A FEW PEOPLE ON OUR INDEPENDENT PANEL THAT WILL BE CALLING IN VIRTUALLY, SO THEY ARE PART OF THE PRESENTATION. AND I WILL INTRODUCE THOSE AS WE GO THROUGH. WE'LL KEEP THIS AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE SO THAT WE CAN GET TO INPUT AS SOON AS WE SHARE A BIT OF INFORMATION. JUST AS A REMINDER, THIS PROCESS STARTED WITH OUR INTEREST IN SOLVING THREE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED, ONE TO REDUCE THE BENEFICIAL NONRECLAIMED WATER THAT GOES INTO THE BAY CURRENTLY, THE OTHER TO IMPROVE THE NECESSARY FLOWS FOR THE HEALTH AND VOLUME OF OUR RIVER, AND THE THIRD FOR GROWTH MANAGEMENT TO PREPARE FOR CONDITIONS UNFORESEEN THAT MAY COME IN THE FUTURE SO WE ALWAYS HAVE A SUSTAINED WATER SUPPLY AND OPTIONS FOR THAT WATER SUPPLY. YOU VERY QUICKLY AS A REMINDER, WE CAME TO YOU AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR WITH A LOT OF ENERGY, AND ENOUGH THOUGHT PROCESS IN TERMS OF OUR SCHEDULE. AT THAT TIME WE ANNOUNCED ABOUT $10 MILLION FOR THE BEGINNING OF A DESIGN CONCEPT, AND WE WANTED TO INITIATE WITH CO-FUNDING WITH SWFWMD. THROUGH DISCUSSIONS WITH THIS BOARD, WE REALIZED WE NEEDED TO PUT A SLOWER PACE ON THINGS AND TAKE A DEEPER DIVE INTO THE AS WELL AS THE ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS. WE ALSO ENGAGED WITH LOCAL STAKEHOLDERS FROM THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS, SIERRA CLUB, AND THE FRIENDS OF THE RIVER, HAVE BEEN VERY HELPFUL. IF ANY OF THEM ARE WATCHING THIS AFTERNOON, WE WANT TO THANK THEM FOR ALL THE TIME THEY PUT IN SO FAR AND WE KNOW THEY WILL HAVE CONTINUED COLLABORATION WITH US AS WE MOVE FORWARD. WE APPRECIATE ALL OF THEIR TIME AND INTEREST. OUR THIRD DISCUSSION IN JANUARY CAME BACK THE NEXT MONTH WITH A MUCH REDUCED REQUEST FOR $650,000O BEPENT ON A MORE THOROUGH ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS FOR SOME FUNDING FOR INDEPENDENT PANEL REVIEW OF THE CONCEPT WE WERE DISCUSSING FOR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND TO MATCH THE SWFWMD FUNDS FOR A CONCEPT DEVELOPMENT WHICH ARE ALL UNDERWAY NOW. SO TODAY WE WANT TO SHARE BACK FURTHER DETAIL OF WHAT WE HAVE PROVIDED IN MAY, WHICH WAS SOME OF THE INDEPENDENT PANEL REVIEW RECOENDAONS AND OUTPUTS. WE ALSO WANTED TO SHARE A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON THE FINAL VERSION OF OUR ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS, AND CERTAINLY LET OUR CONSULTANTS HAVE A CHANCE TO SHARE SOME INITIAL WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE ON THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, AND WE ANTICIPATE DOING A LOT MORE OF THAT, AND WE WILL BE LOOKING FOR YOUR SUPPORT TO CONTINUES MORE OF THAT PUBLIC OUTREACH GOING FORWARD. SO WITH THAT, I AM GOING TO ASK BRAD TO GET US STARTED, AND HE WILL BE WORKING LOGISTICS FOR OUR TEAM ON THE SECOND FLOOR AS THEY HAVE A PART IN THE PRESENTATIONS. THANK YOU. >>BRAD BAIRD: DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE. LET ME ADVANCE THE SLIDES HERE. THE ORDER THAT WE WILL GO THROUGH IS FIRST THE PUBLIC OUTREACH, WHICH WAS I THINK THE FIRST MOTION MADE FOR THIS WORKSHOP, AND THEN WE WILL GO VIRTUAL WITH NWRI AND THE RESEARCH DONE ON THE TECHNICAL DOCUMENTS, AND THEN FINALLY A SUMMARY OF THE ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS. SO STARTING WITH PUBLIC OUTREACH, WE RETAINED HDR ENGINEERING FOR THE INITIAL PUBLIC OUTREACH SERVICES, AND THAT WAS AFTER YOUR APPROVAL OF THE $650,000 IN FEBRUARY. AND THE TEAM WE HAVE ON THE SECOND FLOOR TO TALK IS THREE PEOPLE FROM HDR. KATIE DOODY, THE VICE PRESIDENT, AND MICHELLE BRENNAN, AND TERESA DONALDSON. AND THEY, MICHELLE WILL BE GIVING THE PRESENTATION. SO WITH THAT, MICHELLE, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO YOU. >> THANK YOU, BRAD. MY NAME IS MICHELLE BRENNAN AND I AM PART OF HDR'S BE STRATEGIC COMMUNICATION TEAM. AS BRAD MENTIONED WE ARE HERE TODAY TO SHARE OUR HIGH-LEVEL OVERVIEW OF THIS INITIAL ROUND OF PUBLIC OUTREACH SURROUNDING THE TOPIC OF WATER REUSE. CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE? THANK YOU SO MUCH. FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS INITIAL OUTREACH PHASE WAS TO FIRST GAIN A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF INDUSTRY BEST PRACTICES RELATED TO COMMUNICATION AND ENGAGEMENT SURROUNDING REUSE PROGRAM. AND SECONDLY, WAS TO LEARN ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY'S UNDERSTANDING OF WATER RESOURCES, RELIABILITY, AND REUSE, PLUS THEIR WILLINGNESS TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THESE TYPES OF PROGRAMS. AND OUR NEXT SLIDE, WE ARE GOING TO TALK THROUGH OUR APPROACH, WHICH IS THREE STREGIE FIRST, WE CONDUCTED INTERVIEWS WITH UTILITIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY EXPLORING OR IMPLEMENTING REUSE PROGRAMS. SECONDLY WE HOSTED A SERIES OF MEETING CONVERSATIONS, FOCUS GROUPS, WITH NEIGHBORHOOD AND BUSINESS LEADERS. AND THIRDLY, THE STRATEGIC COMMUNITY SURVEY TO RESIDENT AND BUSINESSES. I WANT TO THANK THE STAFF, ESPECIALLY CHUCK AND SONYA, RANDY FOR THEIR PARTNERSHIP, FIRST TO HELP IDENTIFY THE UTILITIES AND COMMUNITY CONVERSATION PARTICIPANTS, AND ALSO FOR THEIR ASSISTANCE IN OMOTING AND DISTRIBUTING THE SURVEY. OUR OUTREACH TOOK PLACE FROM MARCH 22ND AND WENT THROUGH MAY 27. SO LET'S TAKE A DEEPER LOOK INTO B WHAT YOUR INDUSTRY OUTREACH EVENTS LOOK LIKE. ALL WHO HAVE SUCCESSFUL REUSE PROGRAMS OR ARE RESEARCHING AND PLANNING FOR INNOVATIVE WATER REUSE PROGRAMS. IN FACT SOME OF THESE UTILITIES STARTED THEIR WATER REUSE PROGRAM IN THE EARLY 1960s. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THERE ARE MORE THAN 400 WATER REUSE INITIATIVES UNDERWAY IN THE UNITED STATES, AND WE DID CONDUCT OUR PHONE INTERVIEWS FROM MARCH 22ND TO MAY 2nd AND CAPTURED IMPORTANT INFORMATION ON HOW THESE UTILITIES EDUCATE AND ENGAGE THEIR COMMUNITIES. AS YOU CAN SEE IMAGINE, THE PROGRAMS VARY TREMENDOUSLY IN SIZE AND SCALE, BUT AS A REMINDER OUR CONVERSATION PRIMARILY FOCUSED ON THEIR OUTREACH AND COMMUNICATION EFFORTS I.DO QUANTITY TO RECOGNIZE THAT ALL THE UTILITIES WE SPOKE WITH WERE PROUD ABOUT THEIR PROGRAMS AND OFFERED TO BE A CONTINUED RESOURCE TO THE CITY STAFF. OUR DISTRICTS ARE FINDING AER SPEAKING WITH THE UTILITIES, THEY ALL ACKNOWLEDGE THE TOPIC OF RE R REUSE HAS OPENED THE DOOR FOR A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND THEIR REUSE PROGRAMS CONTINUE TO EVOLVE, AND THEREFORE THEIR CONVERSATIONS WITH THEIR COMMUNITIES HAVE ALSO CONTINUED TO EVOLVING. IN ADDITION, THERE WAS ALSO SEVERAL OVERARCHING THEMES ASSOCIATED WITH BEST PRACTICES RELATED TO COMMUNICATIONS AND ENGAGEMENT SURROUNDING THE REUSE PROGRAM. FIRST, THAT THESE PROJECTS TAKE TIME AND THEY DON'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. SO AS THE PROGRAM EVOLVES, IT'S CRITICAL THAT OUTREACH EDUCATION MOVE IN TANDEM WITH THE PROGRAM. IT CANNOT OPERATE IN A SILO. AND THIS ENGAGEMENT MUST BE SO. SECONDLY IT'S IMPORTANT TO DEVELOP PARTNERSHIPS. ALL OF THE UTILITIES DISCUSS THE IMPORTANCE OF PARTNERING WITH ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS, AS WELL THE IMPORTANCE OF WORKING WITH OTHER COMMUNITY GROUPS INCLUDING YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS. THIRD, ALL THE UTILITIES DISCUSS THE IMPORTANCE OF COLLABORATING WITH ELECTED LEADERSHIP AT THE LOCAL, STATE AND FEDERAL LEVEL AS APPROPRIATE BASED ON PUBLIC AND COMMUNITY. IT WAS CLEAR AFTER TALKING TO ALL OF THESE UTILITIES THAT PARTNERSHIP INCLUSIVE ENGAGEMENT AND CONTINUOUS EDUCATION STRONGLY SUPPORTED THE SUCCESS OF THEIR PROGRAM. JUST A FEW OF THE QUOTES THAT WE GATHERED FROM THE UTILITIES WE SPOKE WITH. AS YOU CAN SEE THERE WAS DEFINITELY CONSENSUS SURROUNDING THE IMPORTANCE OF COMMUNITY EDUCATION AND ENGAGEMENT. I AM GOING TO TRANSITION AND SHARE SOME OF OUR FINDINGS FROM THE COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS AND SURVEY. HOSTED FOUR COMMUNI CONVERSATIONS AND INCLUDED A SURVEY. MOST OF THE PARTICIPANTS WE SPOKE WITH, THEY JUST WANT TO LEARN MORE. THIS COMMUNITY HAS AN AWARENESS OF THE TOP I CAN OF REUSE AND THEY HAVE AN APPETITE TO LEARN MORE. THIS IS A SNAPSHOT OF OUR COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS AND COMMUNITY SURVEY RESULTS. AS YOU CAN SEE THERE'S GEOGRAPHIC REPRESENTATION. HOWEVER, THERE IS A NEED TO DO MORE, BOTH GEOGRAPHICALLY AS WELL AS INCLUDE MORE PARTICIPANTS. FOR CONTEXT, THE COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS WERE LIKE FOCUS GROUPS, DESIGNED TO BE SMALL GROUP DISCUSSIONS THAT ALLOWED US TO DO SOME POLLING, BUT WE ALSO SPENT A LOT OF TIME DISCUSSING THE RESULTS AND THE FEEDBACK. WE HOSTED FOUR OF THESE CONVERSATIONS ON MAY 4th AT NOON AND 7 P.M. AND MAY 6th AT NOON AND 6 P.M. A TOTAL OF 19 PARTICIPANTS REPRESENTED 11 NEIGHBORHOODS IN OUR COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS. WE WORKED WITH MORAY HOMES, ENGAGEMENT MANAGER TO INVITE NEIGHBORHOOD HOA LEADERS, WORKED WITH MICHELLE VAN LOAN TO IDENTIFY AREA BUSINESS LEADERS AND STAFF ALSO REFLECTED CONTACTS FROM THE CITY TO BE ADDED TO THE CONVERSATION LIST. IF YOU WANT T GO BACK ONE SLIDE AND JUST GOING TO PAUSE FOR A FEW MOMENTS ON THAT SLIDE. THANK YOU. FOR OUR SURVEY IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT WE HEARD FROM PEOPLE WHO LIVE AND WORK IN THE CITY OF TAMPA. SO AS A RESULT WE USED A VARIETY OF TARGETED EFFORTS TO PROMOTE THE SURVEY. WE DISTRIBUTED A LINK TO HOA AND NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ENGAGEMENT MANAGER AND ASKED THEM TO SHARE AMONG THEIR NEIGHBORS. WE DISTRIBUTED TO CRA BUSINESS LEADERS, FROM CITY STAFF, WE POSTED IT ON NEXT DOOR MULTIPLE TIMES, WE SHARED IT WITH HR TO WE WORKED WITH THE TAMPA HOUSING AUTHORITY TO DISTRIBUTE A FLIER, WE HAD 414 SURVEY PARTICIPANTS AND THE SURVEY WAS LIVE MAY 10 THROUGH 27. SO OUR COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS AND OUR SURVEY QUESTIONS WERE REALLY GROUPED INTO FOUR CATEGORIES THAT YOU SEE ON THIS NEXT SLIDE. DEMOGRAPHICS, DRINKING WATER, RECLAIMED WATER, ENGAGEMENT AND EDUCATION. OUR DEMOGRAPHIC QUESTIONS INCLUDED EVERYTHING FROM PARTICIPANTS' AGE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD THEY LIVE IN, AND THE LENGTH OF TIME THEY LIVED IN THE CITY OF TAMPA. AN INTERESTING RESULT WAS THAT MOST OF OUR PARTICIPANTS WERE OVER 50 YEARS IN AGE AND THE STRONG MAJORITY HAD LIVED IN TAMPA FOR TEN-PLUS YEARS. OUR DRINKING WATER QUESTIONS FOCUSED ON QUANTITY, QUALITY, AND RESILIENCY, AND THE MAJORITY OF THE PARTICIPANTS BELIEVED THAT ACCESS IN THE FUTURE MAY BE AN ISSUE AND SUPPORT THE CITY'S EFFORTS TO EXPLORE OPTIONS. RECLAIMED WATER QUESTIONS FOCUSED ON TREATMENT, SAFETY, AND DESTINATION. WHILE MOST PARTICIPANTS DO BELIEVE IT'S POSSIBLE TO TREAT RECLAIMED WATER TO HIGH ENOUGH STANDARDS TO DRINK, THERE STILL IS A DESIRE TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS AND LEARN MORE. ANY ENGAGEMENT AND EDUCATION QUESTIONS FOCUSED ON THEIR INTEREST IN REUSE AND PARTICIPANTS PROVIDED IDEAS OF HOW THE CITY CAN ENHANCE THEIR CURRENT OUTREACH AND EDUCATION EFFORTS. OUR COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS REALLY PRESENTED A FACE SPACE FOR AN EXCHANGE OF COMMENTS AND THOUGHTS AND IT WAS REALLY POWERFUL TO HEAR THAT ALL THE PARTICIPANTS WERE IN SUPPORT OF THE CITY EXPLORING THIS TOPIC, A AN INNOVATIVE WAY TO KEEP UP WITH INCREASING DEMANDS FOR WATER. YOUR NGHBOOOD LEADERS WERE REALLY EAGER TO PARTICIPATE WITH THE CITY ON THIS TOPIC. I PERSONALLY ENJOYED MY TIME SO MUCH WITH BEING AND ENGAGING WITH THEM. THERE'S SO MUCH PRIDE AND LOVE FOR THIS CITY, IT FILLED MY HEART WHEN WE WERE HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS. WE ALSO DID SOME POLLING AS WELL DURING THE COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS, AND THE BIG TAKEAWAY THAT WE LEARNED FROM THE POLLING QUESTION WAS THAT THERE'S A GOOD AMOUNT OF TRUST IN THE CITY TO PROVIDE RELIABLE CLEAN AND SAFE DRINKING WATER, AND NOT ONLY IS THIS TOPIC SOMETHING THAT THEY WANT THE CITY TO EXPLORE, BUT THEY ALSO WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT I AND THERE'S DEFINITELY A NEED FOR EDUCATION. AS WITH THE COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS, WE SAW SIMILAR FINDINGS ON OUR POLLING QUESTIONS WITH OUR SURVEY. AGAIN, MOST OF THE RESPONDENTS HAVE TRUST IN THE CITY TO PROVIDE CLEAN AND SAFE DRINKING WATER, AND MORE THAN HALF WANT TO LEARN MORE ABOUT WATER REUSE. IT WAS POWERFUL TO SEE THESE RESULTS. HOWEVER, YOUR COMMUNITY HAS A LOT OF QUESTIONS SURROUNDING WATER REUSE. I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THESE TWO QUESTIONS DURING THIS PRESENTATION AND THE RESULTS, BECAUSE IT REALLY DEMONSTRATES THE AZING CULTURE OF COMMUNITY TRUST WE HAVE IN TAMPA, AND A WILLINGNESS TO LEARN MORE, AND BOTH OF THESE ARE CRITICAL ELEMENTS, SUCCESSFUL PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROGRAMS. AND BOTH THE COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS AND THE SURVEY, WE HAD A LOT OF OPEN ENDED QUESTIONS, AND ON THE NEXT SLIDE YOU WILL SEE THEY DIDN'T GENERATE STATISTICS OR PERCENTAGES, BUT REALLY PROVIDED VALUABLE INSIGHT AS TO HOW THE COMMUNITY'S QUESTIONS AND WHAT THE COMMUNITY QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS ARE AROUND WATER REUSE. IT INCLUDED EVERYTHING FROM HEALTH AND SETY,ONCERNS FROM CONTAMINATION TO SICKNESS, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, PUTTING THE WATER BACK INTO THE GROUND DURING SURFACE WATERS, ACCESS, AVAILABILITY, HOW DOES FUTURE GROWTH AND DEMAND IMPACT THE WATER SUPPLY, AND QUALITY, TASTE AND SMELL. SO WE HAD A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF SOME OF THE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS THAT THEY HAD, WE FOLLOWED IT UP WITH ANOTHER OPEN-ENDED QUESTION, AND WE ASKED, HOW COULD THE CITY DO BETTER TO COMMUNICATE AND CONNECT WITH RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES ON THE TOPIC OF WATER REUSE? AND ON THE NEXT SLIDE YOU WILL SEE WHAT WE HEARD WAS THAT THEY WA MORE. THEY WANT MORE COMMUNICATION, THEY WANT IT MORE FREQUENTLY, THEY WANT IT MORE ACCESSIBLY. THEY ARE INTERESTED IN INCORPORATING SOME SORT OF INTERACTIVE EDUCATION. IT'S DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE, IT'S REALLY A COMPLEX TOPIC AND IT'S REALLY NOT AS AN ENGINEER TO UNDERSTAND THE COMPLEXITY OF THESE TOPICS. SO INTERACTIVE EDUCATION. THEY LOVE THE SMALL GROUP CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAD. THEY LIKE THE CITY TO GO TO WHERE THEY ARE, ATTEND MORE EVENTS, AND DEFINITELY STRENGTHEN SOME OF THOSE PARTNERSHIPS WITH COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS, YOUR SCHOOLS, A REALLY LEVERAGE YOUR PARTNERSHIPS WITH THE MEDIA. SO WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE US? SO IT STARTS THIS PRESENTATION WITH RECOGNIZING THAT THE INITIAL PHASE OF OUTREACH WAS REALLY CONDUCTED IN A CONDENSED TIME FRAME, AND THE RESULTS ARE NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF THOSE WHO LIVE AND WORK IN THE CITY. HOWEVER, IT DID PAINT A PICTURE THAT THIS COMMUNITY IS READY TO LEARN MORE, AND WE WANT TO BE AN ACTIVE PARTICIPANT IN THE CONVERSATION. IT WAS CLEAR THAT THE CITY HAS DONE SOME OUTREACH AND SURVEY ON THE TOPIC OF WATER SUPPLY AND QUALITY, AND THAT INITIAL OUTREACH AND SURVEYING GENERATED A HEIGHTENED AWARENESS AND INTEREST ON THIS TOPIC AND YOUR RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES WERE THANKFUL, AND THEY WANT TO BE PART OF CONTINUING THE CONVERSATION. ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE BASED ON TAKING WHAT WE HAVE LEARNED AND IMPLEMENTING A MORE INCLUSIVE EDUCATION AND ENGAGEMENT STRATEGY AROUND WATER REUSE. SO OUR RECOMMENDATIONS TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT THE TOPIC OF WATER REUSE IS COMPLEX, IT'S VERY PERSONAL, AND IT RECOGNIZES THAT IT DESERVES DEDICATED TIME, ENERGY AND RESOURCES. FIRST, IT'S CRITICAL THAT ANY OUTREACH AND EDUCATION BE IN TANDEM WITH THE PROJECT, A BASELINE UNDERSTANDING OF THE COMMUNITY'S CONCERNS AND WORKING THROUGH THOSE TOGETHER. SECOND, BUILDING AN INCLUSIVE AND MEASURABLE EDUCATION AND ENGAGEMENT CAMPAIGN. I HEARD COUNCILMAN CARLSON MENTION AT YOUR LAST WORKSHOP THAT WE NEED TO GET THIS INFORMATION OUT TOTAL PUBLIC. AND COUNCILMAN GUDES MENTIONED THAT WE NEED TO REACH AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE. AND I COULDN'T AGREE MORE. AND OUR THIRD RECOMMENDATIONS, ONCE YOU HAVE MADE THE COMMITMENT TO SUPPORT ADDITIONAL PUBLIC EDUCATION AND OUTREACH, YOU WILL NEED TO DEDICATE THE RESOURCES TO IMPLEMENT THEM. I WANT TO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT OUR FINDINGS. IT WAS SUCH AN HONOR TO WORK WITH THIS GREAT CITY TEAM, AND HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO ALL OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS ABOUT THESE IMPORTANT TOPIC OF WATER. THE CITY OF TAMPA IS TRULY A SPECIAL PLACE TO LIVE AND WORK. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MA'AM. COULD YOU SPELL YOUR COMPLETE NAME? THE CLERK WANTS TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE IT FOR THE RECORD PLEASE. >> ABSOLUTELY. MICHELLE BRENNAN. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOUR TITLE AGAIN? >> I AM PART OF HDR'S STRATEGIC COMMUNICATIONS PROGRAM. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS OF HER RECOMMENDATION? YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, MR. DINGFELDER. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MS. BRENNAN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I HAD TO STEP OUT OF THE ROOM FOR A MINUTE SO YOU MIGHT HAVE ALREAD ANSWERED THIS, BUT IN ADDITION TO YOUR SYNOPSIS AND COMPILATION OF THE INFORMATION AND DATA, COULD YOU PROVIDE ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS WITH THE EXACT QUESTIONS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THE SURVEY? YOU MIGHT HAVE SENT MY OFFICE A COPY OF THE SURVEY ASKING US TO TAKE IT. I DON'T REMEMBER. BUT, ANYWAY, AT THIS POINT IN TIME I WOULD JUST LIKE TO BE SEE HOW THE QUESTIONS WERE WORDED, >> YES, SIR, ABSOLUTELY.EY WERE. STAFF WILL SEND THAT TO ALL OF YOUR OFFICES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO. >>JOSEPH CITRO: MS. BENNETT, THANK YOU FOR THIS WONDERFUL REPORT. I DO HAVE A QUESTION OF QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS. ONE THING I DON'T LIKE TO HEAR FROM A CONSTITUENT IS, A FRIEND TOLD ME, OR, I SAW ON THE INTERNET. I AGREE, WE HAVE TO HAVE MORE OUTREACH. THIS PLAN IS JUST LIKE TAKING WATER OUT OF MY TOILET AND MAKING ME DRINK. SO YES, YOU ARE CORRECT IN TT. YOU SHOWED US A SLIDE THAT SAID 50 OR MORE PLACES THAT REUSES WATER. OF THOSE 50 PLACES, ARE THEY UNIQUE LAKE THE CITY OF TAMPA WHERE WE HAVE A WONDERFUL SOURCE OF WATER LIKE THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER, OR DO THOSE OTHER 50 PLACE VERSUS TO BUY THEIR WATER OR PUMP IT OUT OF THE GROUND? >> OUR FOCUS -- A GREAT QUESTION. OUR FOCUS WHEN WE SPOKE WITH THE UTILITIES, WE REALLY FOCUSED ON HOW THEY COMMUNICATE AND ENGAGE WITH THEIR COMMUNITY AROUND THE TOPIC OF WATER REUSE. I HAD MENTIONED BRIEFLY AND I KNOW I DIDN'T DO IT JUSTICE, THAT THIS PROGRAM VARIES TREMENDOUSLY AND THE SIZE, SCALE AND PURPOSE. SO ARE THEY IMPACT EXACTLY LIKE THE CITY OF TAMPA? IF CHUCK WANTS TO ANSWER THAT, OR IF WE CAN JUST SAY THAT THEY HAVE AN ACTIVE REUSE PROGRAM AND WE WERE ASKING BEST PRACTICES ASSOCIATED WITH ENGAGEMENT AND COMMUNICATIONS SPECIFICALLY. >>JOSEPH CITRO: MS. BRENNAN, I KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHAT THEY WILL SAY, THAT AGAIN PEOPLE OF TAMPA DON'T REALIZE JUST HOW LUCKY WE ARE TO HAVE THE WATER SOURCE THAT WE HAVE, AND MANY AREAS AROUND THE STATE WITH WATER EVERYWHERE BUT NOTHING TO DRINK, HAVE TO PURCHASE WATER, HAVE TO BRING IT OUT OF THE GROUND. TAMPA IS VERY, VERY LUCKY. AND I DON'T THINK THE RESIDENTS OF TAMPA REALIZE JUST HOW LUCKY WE ARE. MS. BRENNAN, AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR REPORT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE ELSE? MR. CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >>BILL CARLSON: QUICKLY, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. THANK YOU TO THE STAFF F BRINGING THEM ONBOARD. I KNOW HDR VERY WELL. THEY ARE COMMUNICATION OUTREACH, PUBLIC OUTREACH DIVISION IS ONE OF THE BEST IN THE COUNTRY GOT A TEAM LIKE THIS ONBOARD TO DO THIS. THE KEY THING IN THE PUBLIC OUTREACH IS TO MAKE SURE WE GET ENOUGH IN THE BUDGET TO BE THOROUGH ABOUT THIS, TO REALLY REACH OUT TO THE PUBLIC, AND NUMBER TWO, THAT WE GET THE MESSAGES RIGHT. A MONTH OR SO AGO, THE WATER DEPARTMENT COMMUNICATION PUT OUT SOMETHING DIFFERENT, AND I DON'T KNOW WHO PUT IT O, B WHEN I TALKED TO MS. DUNCAN AND MR. WEBER, THEY WENT BACK AND CORRECTED IT BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT LEADING IN THE CONVERSATION, AND SOME OF THE THINGS ABOUT HOW -- WE NEED A NEW SOURCE OF WATER, AND HOW WE HAVE THE SORT OF PROBLEMS THAT WE NEED TO BE REALLY CAREFUL ABOUT THE MESSAGING THAT GOES IN. SO I AM GLAD WE ARE DOING THIS AND I HOPE WE WILL DO A VERY THOROUGH JOB AND PLEASE MAKE SURE WE HAVE NEUTRAL MESSAGING SO WE GET IT ACCURATELY TO THE PUBLIC AND EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE OPTIONS. >>JEAN DUNCAN: THANK YOU, MR. CARLSON. WE TOOK YOUR ADVICE ABOUT SOLUTION NEUTRAL APPROACH VERY SERIOUSLY. WE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH HDR ABOUT KEEPING THAT IN THE FOREFRONT, AND NOT GETTING TAKE TIED TO ONE PARTICULAR APPROACH AHEAD OF TIME, BEFORE ITS TIME. SO WE WILL BE VERY COGNIZANT OF THAT GOING FORWARD. AND I DO WANT TO SAY THAT WE ARE APPROACHING THIS AS NEUTRALLY AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. OF COURSE, WE HAVE CERTAIN FACTS THAT LEAD US A CERTAIN WAY, BUT WE ARE GOING TO BE VERY SENSITIVEO THAT. I AM PROBABLY JUMPING AHEAD OF BRAD, BUT WE ARE GOING TO MENTION THAT ASSUMING THAT YOU ARE BRAVE ENOUGH TO APPROVE THE FUNDING TO CONTINUE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, WE ARE GOING TO WORK TO INCLUDE AN EBO FORM AS WELL, TO HAVE THE TIME TO MAKE THAT WORK THE THIRD TIME AROUND BUT WE KNEW WE WOULD HAVE MORE OPPORTUNITIES GOING FORWARD. SO THAT WILL CERTAINLY BE PART OF OUR APPROACH HERE ON OUT, AND ADD THAT TEAM AS WELL TO OUR GROUP FOR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. THANK YOU, BRAD. >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHENEVER YOU READING MY MIND, MS. DUNCAN? >> SHE JUST SAVED ME FROM MY PART ON THIS. >>ORLANDO GUDES: A LOT OF COMMUNITIES ADOPT KNOW WHAT THEY DON'T KNOW, AND IT HAS TO BE REAL SIMPLE AND SIMPLIFIED TO UNDERSTAND THE MESSAGE, OR AS MR. CITRO SAID. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE CLEAR ON THE MESSAGING AND MAKE SURE IN THOSE MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES, BECAUSE I KNOW SURVEYS, A LOT OF TIMES THEY DON'T DO SURVEYS IN THOSE MARGINALED CMUNITIES SO THEY DON'T KNOW TO KNOW. SO IF YOU ARE GOING OUT THERE, SOME OF THAT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT'S A GREAT IDEA YOU HAVE COME UP WITH TO DO THAT BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO ASK WHAT WERE THE NUMBERS OF YOUR SURVEY AS YOU LOOKED AT THE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS AND THOSE MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES, WHAT WERE SOME OF THE NUMBERS. I WON'T ASK TODAY BUT I AM SURE WHEN WE COME BACK YOU SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING ONCE YOU GET ONBOARD. ALL RIGHT? THANK YOU. >>BRAD BAIRD: I WOULD ADD ONE LAST THING TO WHAT JEAN SAID. INCCORNCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATION, WE WILL BE COMING BACK TO CITY COUNCIL THIS SUMMER TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. AND AS A FUNDING REQUEST. WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE NWRI INDEPENDENT ADVISORY PANEL UPDATE FROM WHAT WE PROVIDED ON MAY 27th WORKSHOP. WE HAVE HOPEFULLY, VIRTUALLY, WE HAVE KEVIN HARDY IS THE SCOFFED OF NWRI, AND THEN WE HAVE DR. GLEN DAG ARD WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN WHO CHAIRED THE INDEPENDENT EXPERT ADVISORY PANEL. SO HOPEFULLY -- ARE THEY ON THE SCREEN? THERE THEY ARE. WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO KEVIN. >> THANK YOU, BRAD. GOOD AFTERNOON, CITY COUNCIL. ONCE AGAIN I AM KEVIN HARDY, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE NATIONAL WATER RESEARCH INSTITUTE, AND EVERYBODY WILL REFER TO US AS NBRI. YOU KNOW WE WERE ENGAGED BY THE CITY TO FACILITATE AND ADMINISTRATOR AN INDEPENDENT ADVISORY PANEL COMPRISED OF LEADING WALLET REUSE EXPERTS FROM AROUND THE UNITED STATES TO REVIEW THE WORK, ANALYTICAL WORK COMPARED TO DATE IN SUPPORT OF THE TAMPA PURE PROJECT. I THINK AS I TOLD YOU LAST TIME WHEN WE SPOKE, IT CREATES TO CUTE NEW SOURCES OF HEALTHY WATER AND WE WORKED WITH COMMUNITIES AROUND THE WORLD FOR OVER THREE DECADES DOING JUST THAT. SO ON BEHALF OF CHAIRMAN DAGGER, MONT, AND THE INDEPENDENT A ADVISORY PANEL, AND FLORIDIANS WENDY GRAHAM AND SAM UPCHURCH I WOULD LIKE TO COMMEND BRAD BAIRD, WENDY, TO SUBJECT A SLICE OF THEIR LIFE'S WORK TO REVIEW BY A GROUP OF INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS. THIS COMMITMENT SPEAKS VALUES TO THEIR MOTIVATIONS AND THEIR PERSONAL PROFESSIONAL DISCIPLINE. THE PANEL REVIEWED TREMENDOUS VALUE OFIGHL TECHNICAL DATA PREPARED BY THE TAMPA TEAM, AND THE TAMPA TEAM HAS WORKED INTENTIONALLY TO MAINTAIN A MENU OF ALTERNATIVE WATER SUPPLY ASSESSMENT FOR THIS COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION AT THIS CRITICAL REGIONAL PLANNING PROCESS MOVES FORWARD. THAT REPORT WAS A PRODUCT OF A MEETING ON MAY 13th. THE AGENDA FOR THAT MEETING, WE HEARD OVER 3 HOURS OF PRESENTATIONS THAT DAY, AND WHEN THE PRESENTATIONS CONCLUDED, WE WORKED FOR ABOUT AN HOUR IN A PRIVATE WORKING SESSION THAT SAME DAY. WE WORKED BY E-MAIL AND TRANSMITTED THE DRAFT REPORT ON JUNE 15th. I WANT TO LET STAKEHOLDERS AND STAFF AND COUNCIL KNOW THAT IN ADDITION TO THE DRAFT REPORT THAT'S BEFORE YOU, WE ARE ALSO WORKING ON A COMPLETE RESPONSE THE COMMITTEE STAKEHOLDER QUESTIONS THAT WERE PRESENTED AND THAT WILL BE PART OF THE FINAL REPORT. WE DO LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING THIS WORK AND SUPPORTING AN EVEN MORE SECURE WATER FUTURE TO THE TAMPA BAY REGION. MOVE FORWARD. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THE SIX CORE COMPONENTS IN FRONT OF YOU, ENHANCED MONITORING FOR CONTAMINANT, THE HOWARD CURREN PLANT, 60 MILLION GALLONS A DAY, WITHDRAWING THAT PRODUCT WATER FROM THE RECOVERY WELLS, AND MEETING T MINIMUM FLOW REQUIREMENTS FOR THE LOWER HILLSBOROUGH RIVER, FOR AN OVERCAN FORM THE BASIS FOR AN OVERALL SYSTEM THAT MEETS THE OBJECTIVES STATED BY THE CITY. TAMPA'S ENGINEERED WATER INFRASTRUCTURE AND NATURAL WATER ENVIRONMENTS ARE INEXTRICABLY INTERTWINED. THIS FACT CREATES A PARTICULARLY CHALLENGING DECISION AND INVESTMENT MATRIX. RECOGNIZING THIS, THE PANEL IDENTIFIED FOUR AREAS OF DEVELOPMENT AND YOU SEE THOSE HERE BEFORE YOU. WHAT THEY INDICATE IS THAT MODIFICATIONS TO INDIVIDUAL CORE COMPONENTS ARE A NEEDED, AND THIS IS THE POSITION THAT MOST OF OUR CLIENTS FIND THEMSELVES IN AT THIS LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT OF THEIR PROJECT. SO NUMBER ONE IS THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A VALID SCIENTIFIC TECHNICAL POLICY APPROACH OF A PROJECT. WE WILL GO INTO THAT IN JUST A MOMENT BUT WHAT I WILL TELL YOU IS THAT STARTS WITH A SORT OF IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PUBLIC INFORMATION OUTREACH PROGRAM AS WAS RECOMMENDED EARLIER. THE PANEL ALSO RECOMMENDED ADDITIONAL CONCEPTUALIZATIONS, PARAMETERIZATION, CALIBRATION OF THE GROUNDWATER MODEL, ASSESSING THE PROJECT QUALITY AND QUALITY IMPACTS FOR THE HYDROLOGIC SYSTEM FROM THE UPPER AQUIFER THROUGH THE LOWER HILLSBOROUGH RIVER. AND ADDITIONAL TREATMENT BARRIERS TO WATER REPROCESS AND PROTECT PUBLIC HEALTH. WITH THAT INTRODUCTION, IT'S MY PRIVILEGE TO INTRODUCE DR. GLEN DAIGGER, AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN, HE PREVIOUSLY SERVED AS THE PRESIDENT AND CHIEF TECHNOLOGY OFFIC OF CH HILL. HE'S CO-AUTHORED MORE THAN 125 PAPER, HE'S THE CHAIR OF THE TAMPA INDEPENDENT ADVISORY PANEL. GLEN, TAKE IT AWAY. >> THANK YOU KEVIN. IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE BACK WITH THE CITY COUNCIL. YOU CAUGHT US IN THE MID OF OUR WORK, AND NOW AT THIS MILESTONE IN TERMS OF OUR WORK, AND HAPPY TO SHARE WITH YOU OUR OVERALL CONCLUSIONS HERE. SO IF I CAN HAVE THE SLIDES UP. I DON'T SEE THE SLIDES UP. THAT WOULD HELP ME LEAD THROUGH WITH THIS. WHILE THAT'S HAPPENING, WHILE THE SLIDES ARE COMING UP, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, PARTICULARLY WITH THE FOLLOWING ON FROM THE EARLIER PRESENTATION, IF YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE, THE BUDGET STRENGTHS, THESE ARE SIX CORE COMPONENTS OF THE OVERALL PURE PROJECT. SO WATER REUSE IS ONE OF THE INTENDED OUTCOMES. IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE WATER IS TO BE NOT ONLY SUPPLEMENT THE WATER SUPPLY BUT ALSO YOU SEE THIS IN THE LAST BULLET THERE, TO SUPPLEMENT THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE LOCATIONS THAT IMPACTED, CERTAINLY THE WATER SUPPLY AND WATER REUSE IS A COMPONENT OF IT, BUT THE INTRODUCTION OF THIS WATER IS GOING TO AFFECT A NUMBER OF ENVIRONMENTS INCLUDING THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER ITSELF, THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER RESERVOIR, AND THE SPRINGS, AND IN THAT AREA. SO IN PARTICULAR, YOU WILL SEE THAT WE ARE VERY MUCH IN SUPPORT OF THE OUTREACH WHICH IS GOING ON AND THE NEED FOR THAT. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS INHERENT IN WHAT WE ARE SEEING THAT IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IN OUTREACH TO LOOK NOT JUST AT THE REUSE PORTION OF THIS BUT LOOK AT THE WHOLE PROJECT AS IT GOES FORWARD. A NUMBER OF IMPACTS IN ADDITION TO REUSE. BUT IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, T COUPLE OF AREAS. THE FIRST IS TO ESTABLISH A VALID SCIENTIFIC TECHNICAL POLICY APPROACH FOR THE PROJECT. AND YOU SEE OUR FIRST RECOMMENDATION THERE, PROCEED ASSERTIVELY WITH THE PUBLIC OUTREACH PROGRAM BASED ON WELL-ESTABLISHED BEST PRACTICE PRINCIPLES AND APPROACHES. AND THE APPROACHES ARE WELL HONED IN TERMS OF HOW TO -- YOU ARE OFF TO A GOO START, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE REALLY ENVISIONING THIS AS A PUBLIC OUTREACH LOOKING AT THE FULL PROJECT. REUSE IS A COMPONENT OF THAT, BUT CERTAINLY THE PARTIES HAVE INTEREST IN TERMS OF HOW THIS IS GOING TO AFFECT THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER, HOW IT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE SPRINGS, WHAT THE EFFECT ON OUR TAMPA BAY IS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS NEED TO BE CONSIDERED AND VOICES THAT HAVE INTEREST IN TH. SECOND SOME TO CLEAR DEFINE THE ENVIRONMENTAL EFFECTS OF THE PURE PROJECT. AND THERE WILL BE SOME SPECIFIC COMMENTS LATER, BUT THE SCIENTIFIC TECHNICAL POLICY BASED PERFORMANCE METRICS, THAT WAS TO EACH ENVIRONMENT. THIS AGAIN IS THE IMPACT ON WATER SUPPLY AND DRINKING WATER, BUT ALSO ESTABLISHING CLEAR PERFORMANCE METRICS IN TERMS OF THE IMPACT ON THESE OTHER ENVIRONMENTS, THE RIVER AND SO FORTH. EVALUATE THE POTABLE REU COMPONENT OF THE PURE PROGRAM BASED ON THE ONGOING RESULTS OF THE OUTREACH PROGRAM AND INCORPORATING BOTH CURRENT AND EVOLVING BEST PRACTICES FOR POTABLE REUSE. WE SAW FROM MICHELLE'S PRESENTATION THAT THERE ARE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF REUSE PROJECTS THAT ARE IN PLACE AND GO FORWARD AND SO FORTH, AND OVER THE LAST PROBABLY THE LAST FIVE YEARS IN PARTICULAR, BEST PRACTICES REALLY EVOLVE IN THE REUSE AREA, MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO EMBRACE ON THAT AS WELL. THAT'S THE FIRST AREA. THE SECOND THEN STARTS TO LOOK AT THE GROUNDWATER IMPACTS FROM THE RECHARGE AND RECOVERY, AND IN PARTICULAR THE SEAWAT MODEL WHICH IS USED TO ASSESS THE IMPACTS. SO CONCEPTUALIZATION, CALIBRATION, VALIDATION, OF THE MODEL, SPECIFIC COMMENTS. SO MEETING A NUMBER OF TECHNICAL PEOPLE, PARTICULARLY WATER QUALITY DATA, IN ADDITION TO THE TEAM HAS BEEN MODELING SCENARIOS, AND THERE WILL BE OTHER AND LIKELY SIGNIFICANT WATER QUALITY TRANSFORMATIONS THROUGH THE AQUIFER THE, AND TO FULLY CHARACTERIZE THAT, THAT CAN BE USED THEN TO CALIBRATE THE MODEL FOR THE ANALYSIS THAT YOU NEED TO DO. MODEL SNARE CAN INCLUDE WET YEARS, DROUGHT YEARS, ALTERNATIVE PUMPING, RECOVERY RATES, ESTIMATION OF THE RATES OF ACCUMULATION OF HIGHER WATER QUALITY IN THE AQUIFER, AND POTENTIAL LOSS OF GROUNDWATER. SO ONE OF THE AREAS THAT WE WERE PARTICULLY AED TO LOOK AT IS SULPHUR SPRINGS AND THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT OPPORTUNITY TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF THE SPRINGS AND SO FORTH, BUT PUT THAT AS A COMPLETE SYSTEM THERE. SO WHILE SITE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS RELATIVE TO THE PURE PROJECT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. AND SOME EXAMPLES ARE, ONE OF THE AREAS OF CAUTION, WHICH THE CITY IS WELL AWAREF, IS SEAWAT CANNOT DEAL WITH THE KARST AND FRACTURE CONDUITS THAT ARE INHERENT IN THE MERIDIAN AQUIFER, AND THAT'S A TECHNICAL ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED HERE, AND IN SOME RECENT CONVERSATIONS, THE CITY HAS ACTUALLY ASKED THE PANEL FOR SOME FURTHER ADVICE HERE WHICH WE WILL PROVIDE. NEXT SLIDE. THE THIRD AREA, PROTECT WATER IMPACTS, THE ENTIRE ECHO LOGICTY SYSTEM OF THE UPPER AQUIFER THROUGH THE LOWER HILLSBOROUGH RIVER. THE LAST ONE, LAST ITEM LOOKED AT THE MODEL, WHICH HELPS WITH HYDROLOGY, BUT THE NEED HERE THAT VERSUS EXPRESS STEADY NEED TO NOT ONLY COLLECT MORE DATA FOR THIS LARGER HYDROLOGIC SYSTEM, BUT THEN BASED ON THAT, THIS IS PART OF THE SCIENTIFIC BASIS, TO ESTABLISH SPECIFIC QUALITY OBJECTIVES FOR THESE ENVIRONMENTS THAT ARE NOT ONLY MEET REGULATIONS BUT RESPONSIVE TO THE DESIRES EXPRESSED AND THE DECISIONS YOU WILL MAKE CERTAINLY AS BORNE BY THE OUTREACH PROGRAM WHICH IS GOING FORWARD. OUTREACH IS VERY IMPORTANT IN CONNECTION TO ESTABLISHING THESE QUALITY OBJECTIVES. THE INDUSTRY THAT WILL GIVE SPECIFIC WATER QUALITY CHARACTERISTICS ENABLES ANALYSIS AND COMPARISON. WE SEE A WHOLE LIST OF ACRONYMS AND SO FORTH. HAPPY TO DISCUSS THESE IF YOU WOULD LIKE BUT IT'S REALLY TO INDICATE THE RANGE OF RELEVANT CONSIDERATIONS HERE NEED TO BE CONSIDERED. AND CONDUCT IN SITU NATURAL GRADIENT AND INJECTION/EXTRACTION TRACER TESTS TO AR A METERIZE A TRANSIENT AND TRANSPORT COMPONENT TO ADD TO SEAWAT MODEL, NOT ONLY WATER FLOW BUT THE QUALITY TRANSFORMATIONS WHICH WILL OCCUR AS THE WATER IS RECHARGED AND RECOVERED. IT'S OBVIOUS THAT GIVEN THE NATURE OF THE AQUIFER, AND IMPORTANT TO CONTROL OF CONSTITUENTS, BUT THAT NEEDS TO BE CHARACTERIZED AND CAN BE THEN BUILT INTO THE MODEL AS A TOOL, BOTH FOR CONTINUED DESIGN, BUT ALSO LONG-TERM OPERATION OF THE SYSTEM. QUANTIFIED KNOT NUTRIENTS, PATHOGENS AND OTHER CONTAMINANTS. SO SPECIFIC STEPS OF TAKING THAT INFORMATION INTO USABLE FORM, AND DEVELOP AND IMPROVE CIRCULATION MODELS FOR THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER RESERVOIR. IT'S AN OPEN QUESTION, BEST TO TAKE THE RECOVERED WATER, AND HOW TO INTRODUCE IT INTO THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER, AND IT MIGHT BE DIFFERENT TIMES WHEN IT'S INTRODUCED IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AND SO FORTH. SO THE TOOL TO EVALUATE THAT NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPED, AND DEVELOP A COMPREHENSIVE PROACTIVE MONITORING SYSTEM THAT WE INTEGRATE AQUIFER, SPRING, RIVER, RESERVOIR SYSTEM, EVALUATE WHETHER THE PURE PROJECT IS OPERATING AS EXPECTED, AND EARLY WARNING OF SYSTEM FAILURES. SO THE ANALYSIS DOESN'T STOP WITH THIS STAGE, IT DOESN'T STOP AT THE TIME IT BECOMES AN INTEGRAL AND ONGOING ACTIVITY FOR THE CITY, BUT TO CONTINUE TO MONITOR THE SYSTEM AND USE THAT TO FURTHER OPTIMIZE THE SYSTEM BOTH IT'S OPERATION, COST -- >>ORLANDO GUDES: EXCUSE ME. FOR THE SAKE OF TIME, HOW MUCH MORE ON YOUR PRESENTATION? >> JUST ONE MORE SLIDE HERE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR. >> THE LAST ONE DEALS WITH THE WATER REUSE ITSELF. I CAN REALLY CONSOLIDATE THIS INTO SAYING CONTINUE, BUT MAKE SURE TO INCORPORATE THE HE INVOLVED WATER RSE BEST PRACTICES IN TERMS OF DESIGNING AND IMPLEMENTING THE WATER REUSE COMPONENT OF THIS OVERALL PROJECT. AND WHAT'S LISTED HERE ARE A NUMBER OF SPECIFIC ELEMENTS THAT ADDRESS THAT. I THINK FOR THE CITY COUNCIL IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT WATER REUSE PRACTICE IS NOW FEASIBLY WELL-DEVELOPED, AS GOOD CONSENSUS IN TERMS OF BEST PRACTICE. THE CITY IS OFF TO A GOOD START. 'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO CONTINUE TO FOLLOW THAT, GOING FROM PUBLIC OUTREACH TO DESIGN TO IMPLEMENTATION, AND THAT THE LONG-TERM OPERATION AND MANAGEMENT OF THE REUSE SYSTEM, IN THIS OVERALL SYSTEM, AS YOU GO FORWARD. AS A MATTER OF THE RIGHT THING AND ALSO RESOURCING THIS PROPERLY FROM BEGINNING TO END. SO THAT'S BASICALLY OUR REPORT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR. GENTLEMEN, ANY QUESTIONS? MR. DINGFELDER. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, DOCTOR, FOR THAT PRESENTATION, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, THANKS TO YOU AND YOUR TEAM FOR ALL THE DETAILED ANALYSIS AND WORK THAT YOU HAVE DONE ON THAT. I LIKE THE TERM RECALCITRANT ORGANICS, ONE I HAVE NEVER HEARD BEFORE. BUT I ENJOY THAT TERM. SO MY QUESTION, BRAD, TO YOU OR TEAM, CHECK, WHOEVER WANTS TO ANSWER THIS, A LOT OF INTERESTING OBSERVATIONS AND QUESTIONS THAT THE PANEL PUSHED FORWARD. I'M SURE THERE ARE SOMEBODY THAT YOU GUYS ALREADY WERE PLANNING ON. I DON'T HAVE ANY DOUBT ABOUT THAT. AND MAYBE THERE'S A FEW IN THERE THAT ARE NEW, AND THAT'S GOOD, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHY THE PROCESS IS GOOD. YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT DECISION, NOT ONLY TO COUNCIL AND THEAYOR, BUT FOR THE COMMUNITY. AND THAT'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO HAVE THIS INDEPENDENT BODY OF EXPERTS FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY LOOKING AT IT OBJECTIVELY. AND I THINK THAT'S THE LAUNDRY LIST OF THINGS THAT WE JUST SAW. SO MY QUESTION, BRAD, IS WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE IN TERMS OF THE NWRI? I'M SO IMPRESSED SO FAR WITH THE WORK THAT THEY HAVE DONE THAT I WOULD LIKE, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US CONTINUE TO UTILIZE THEM IN THIS SAME CAPACITY, BECAUSE AT EVERY PHASE, THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE DECISIONS, THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE DATA, THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE ANALYSIS, AND I THINK CONTINUING THAT INDEPENDENT BODY WORKED, EVEN THOUGH I UNDERSTAND THERE IS COST INVOLVED, BUT COMPARED TO THE TOTAL COST, I THINK IT'S LEGIBLE COMPARED TO THE TOTAL PROJECT AND THE RISKS, I THINK IT'S CRITICAL. THERE YOU GO. >>BRAD BAIRD: COUNCILMAN, WE AGREE WITH THAT. FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT THE BASTIONS OF LEARNING, THE RECOMMENDATIONS, WE DID ANTICIPATE. THERE WERE A FEW MAYBE WE HADN'T ANTICIPATED TO THE EXTENT THE PANEL COVERED AND THAT'S A GOOD THING. WE, STAFF, IS IN THE PROCESS OF REVIEWING THE DRAFT REPORT. WE WILL HAVE THOSE COMMENTS BACK TO NWRI NEXT WEEK. WE ARE ANTICIPATING THE FINAL REPORT WE A SHOOTING FOR THE ENDF JULY FROM NWRI AND THE PANEL. AND AS FAR AS USING THE NWRI INDEPENDENT ADVISORY PANEL IN THE FUTURE, THERE'S NO REASON WHY WE SHOULDN'T DO THAT, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE QUITE A FEW MORE DECISIONS TO MAKE WITH REGARD TO THE TREATMENT PROCESS, AS YOU KNOW, 30% DESIGNED, ON AND ON. WE HAVE A LOT OF MILESTONES OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS MOVING FORWD. SO THAT WOULD BE OUR PLAN TO MAINTAIN ENGAGEMENT AND CONTINUE MOVING IN THAT MANNER. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE ONLY THING I WOULD ASK IF THAT REGARD IS THAT EVERY TIME THAT YOU COME BACK TO COUNCIL WITH A REQUEST, MONETARY, CONTRACTUAL OR OTHERWISE, REMIND ME HOW WE ARE GOING TO BE UTILIZING NWRI, AND/OR AN EQUIVALENT INDEPENDENT. >>BRAD BAIRD: YES, SIR. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >>BILL CARLSON: AS I UNDERSTAND, AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE, THEY WERE PRESENTED WITH A PROJECT, SOME OF THEM DEALING WITH TAP DATA AND THEY EXPLAINED. BUT I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO DO IS HELP US LOOK AT THE ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS, WHICH SHOULD INCLUDE, ONE OF THE OPTIONS IS IF WE CAN GET RID OF THIS STATE LEGISLATION, DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO DO THIS,. DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO DOUBLE OR WHATEVER THE RATE PAYERS' COSTS. I THINK AS MR. MIRANDA SAID EARLIER, CITIES ALL OVER THE WORLD DRINK POTTY -- PURIFIED POTTY WATER. MURALS IS THE ONE THAT EVERYBODY GIVES INDUSTRIAL BECAUSE THEY DRINK INDUSTRIAL WASTE AND HUMAN WASTE. IT'S NOT THAT THE SIGNS DOESN'T EXIST. THE QUESTION IS THE TIMING OF WHEN SHOULD WE DO IT? AT SOME POINT IN FOOT WE WILL DO IT BUT AS WE SHOWED A COUPLE YEARS AGO WE ARE NOT GOINGO DO THIS FOR AT LEAST 20 YEARS SO IF WE ARE DOING IT ONLY BECAUSE THE LEGISLATURE MANDATES IT, THEN ONE OPTION SHOULD BE WHAT IF THE LEGISLATION WENT AWAY, WAS MODIFIED, AS LEAST WE COULD DELAY THE IMPACT ON RATE PAYERS, AND THEN THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS WE CAN TALK ABOUT LATER IN TERMS OF THE ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS. >>BRAD BAIRD: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN, FOR THAT. AWAY, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE ARE TRYING TO SOLVE, OF COURSE, IS A SUSTAINABLE LONG-TERM SOURCE FOR MINIMUM FLOWS FORHE LOWER HILLSBOROUGH RIVER, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO RESOLVE IN SHORT ORDER. >>BILL CARLSON: WE'LL GET TO THAT IN A SECOND, BUT I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE DESIGNING FOR IS THE WORST DROUGHT FLOW SITUATION THAT WE HAVE HAD AT LEAST IN THE LAST TEN YEARS, MAYBE THE LAST 100 YEARS. WHAT IS IT, 40 NGB AND THEN TAMPA BAY -- SUPPLIED IT FOR US SO THEY SHOW THAT THEY HAVE THE CAPACI TO PRODE THAT. SO IF THE L WE HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE SOURCE, I THINK THAT'S WHERE THIS INDEPENDENT GROUP SHOULD LOOK AT. IS IT WORTH THE COST FOR ONCE A 100 YEAR EVENT FOR OUR RATE PAYERS TO PAY 2 BILLION OR 6 BILLION DOLLARS, WHATEVER IT IS, AND INCREASE THE RATES, PLUS DRINK POTTY WATER WHEN WE MIGHT HAVE TO IN 20 YEARS, BUT WE SHOWED WE NEED 7 NGB IN 20 YEARS, AND WE JUST PUSH PARS WHICH WE ARE ALREADYIX THE PAYING FOR, WE CAN PROBABLY SAVE 10 NGB. SO REALLY WHAT WE ARE SOLVING FOR IS ONCE A TEN YEAR, ONCE A 100 YEAR EVENT, OR THE LEGISLATURE IS FORCING US TO DO THIS AND EITHER ONE OF THEM CAN BE SUPPLIED BY THE ALTERNATIVE SOURCE. SO IF THERE'S AN ENVIRONMENT ISSUE, A HEALTH ISSUE, BUT THERE'S ALSO THE RATE PAYER ISSUE, THE FISCAL ISSUE, IT SEEMS FOOLISH TO PUSH US INTO SPENDING THIS KIND OF MONEY ESPECIALLY SO WE CAN LOB AND GET THIS BILL UNDONE SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS. THANK YOU. >>BRAD BAIRD: ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? DR. TIGER? WE HAVE ONE MORE SPEAKER. AND IT IS ABOUT THE ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS. AND IT'S MARK HAMMOND WITH APPLIED SCIENCES. AND WE ONLY HAVE, I THINK, TWO OR THREE SLIDES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. SO WE ARE NEARING THE END. SO WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MARK. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS MARK HAMMOND, PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER, APPLIED SCIENCES. CAN YOU SEE THE SLIDES? >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR. >> AND IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. WE JUST GOT TWO SLIDES TO SUMMARIZE THE PRESENTATION THAT WE DID FOR YOU LAST MONTH. IF YOU RECALL, IN OUR PRESENTATION LAST MONTH, WE LOOKED AT OUR ANALYSIS, 11 PRIMARY ALTERNATIVES, AND FIVE OF THOSE ALTERNATIVES HAD A SUBALTERNATIVE. SO WE HAD A TOTAL OF 16 ALTERNATIVES THAT WE FIRST EVALUATED. THEN WE TOOK THOSE ALTERNATIVES AND WE COMBINED THEM INTO FOUR COMBINATIONS THAT YOU SEE LISTED HERE. THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO MEET REDUCTION OF DISCHARGE, AND ALSO DROUGHT MANAGEMENT OF THE RESERVOIR LEVELS. THE FIRST COMBINATION, COMBINATION 1 INVOLVED EXPANDING YOUR RECLAIMED WATER DISTRIBUTION TO RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL AND ALSO LARGE USERS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, AND ALSO INVOLVES THE DEEP WELL INJECON OR ANY REMAINING PART OF THE RECLAIM THAT'S NOT USED AND PURCHASING WATER FROM TAMPA BAY WATER TO HELP MEET THE MFLs. COMBINATION 2 INVOLVES TREATING THE WATER FROM HOWARD F. CURREN TO REDUCE KNOT RENTS AND TO MEET THE STANDARD IN THE RIVER, DISCHARGE THAT WATER TO THE BASE OF THE DAM TO MEET THE MINIMUM FLOWS, SELLING A PORTION OF THE RECLAIMED WATER TO ANOTHER ENTITY AND THEN IF YOU DID USE DE WL INJECTION FOR DISPOSALEN OF THAT COMBINATION. COMBINATION 3, THE AQUIFER RECHARGE AND RECOVERY INVOLVED TRETREATING THE HOWARD FROM HUR. CURREN TO TREAT PRIMARY DRINKING WATER STANDARD, RECHARGE TAMPA AQUIFER IN THE VICINITY OF THE RESERVOIR, RECOVERING A PORTION OF THAT WATER, AND PUTTING THAT INTO THE RESERVOIR WOULD DO TWO THINGS, ONE, RELEASE TO MEET THE MINIMUM FLOWS FOR THE LOWER HILLSBOROUGH RIVER ARRIVE BUT FOR DROUGHT MANAGEMENT, TO HELP IMPROVE THE WATER SUPPLY RELIABILITY FOR THE RESERVOIR. COMBINATION 4 WAS A DIRECT POTABLE REUSE OPTION. THIS WOULD BE TO TREAT THE WATER FROM HOWARD F.CURREN TO DRINKING WATER STANDARD AND PUT IT DIRECTLY INTO YOUR DRINKING THERE FOR DRINKING WATER WE EVALUATED THESE FOUR COMBINATIONS BASED ON COST. AS YOU CAN SEE, IN THAT COLUMN. AND THEN WE RANKED THEM. SO IF YOU LOOK AT COMBINATION 2, THAT'S GOT A RANK OF 1. COMBINATION 2 IS THE LOWEST COST OPTION OR THE LOWEST COMBINATION OF THAT. SO THAT WAS THE TOP RANKED IN IN TERMS OF COST. COMBINATION -- IT WAS FOLLOWED CLOSELY, THE SECOND LOWER LOWEST COST COMBINATION WAS COMBINATION 3, THE AQUIFER RECHARGE AND DISCOVERY. AND THEN COMBINATION 4 AND COMBINATION 17 WERE THE MORE COSTLY OPTIONS TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THOSE GOALS. AGAIN, REDUCING THE DISCHARGE, MEETING MFL AND DROUGHT MANAGEMENT AND THE OTHER BENEFITS. IN ADDITION TO THE COSTSE LOOKED AT THAT ON A CAPITAL COAST AND A 30-YEAR LIFE CYCLE COST WHICH INCLUDED CAPITAL AND ALSO OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE EACH YEAR FOR 30 YEARS. THE SECOND PART THAT WE RANKED IS ON THE BENEFITS. THIS INCLUDED LOOKING AT THE REDUCTION IN THE DISCHARGE, MEETING THE MFLs, AND ALSO THE DROUGHT MANAGEMENT FOR THE RESERVOIR. FOR REDUCTION IN DISCHARGE AND ALSO FOR MINIMUM FLOW, ALL FOUR OF THESE COMBINATIONS CAN ACCOMPLISH THAT, SO YOU CAN ACCOMPLISH THAT IN ANY ONEF THE COMBINATIONS, REDUCING THE BENEFITS IN TERMS OF THE DROUGHT MANAGEMENT, AND ALSO IN TERMS OF IMPLEMENTATION FEASIBILITY FOR IMPLEMENTING THE PROJECT. WHEN WE EVALUATE THOSE AND SCORED THE PROJECTS OF THESE COMBINATIONS, COMBINATION 3 HAS THE HIGHEST SCORE OR WAS THE TOP RANKED, THE NUMBER 1 THERE. THEN YOU GO FOLLOWED BY COMBINATION 4 WHICH IS THE SECOND HIGHEST BENEFITS, AND THEN COMBINATION 1, AND THEN COMBINATION 2 BASED ON THE BENEFIT. WHEN YOU COMBINE THE COST AND THE BENEFIT RANKING FOR A COMPLIANCE SCORE, COMBINATION 3, THE AQUIFER RECHARGE AND RECOVERY TO THE RIVER HAD THE LOWEST SCORE OR THE TOP RANKED OF THE FOUR COMBINATIONS FOLLOWED BY COMBINATION 2 AND COMBINATION 4 WERE TIED, AND THEN COMBINATION 1 WOULD BE THE LOWEST RANKED. ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT THESE FOUR COMBINATIONS, THE WAY I LOOK AT THEM, AGAIN, ALL FOUR COMBINATIONS WILL ADDRESS REDUCTION DISCHARGE, AND ALSO MEET YOUR MFL. COMBINATION 1 AND 4 ARE MORE EXPENSIVE AND THEY COST MORE TO IMPLEMENT THOSE ALTERNATIVES. IF YOU LOOK AT JUST THE TWO LOWER COST OPTIONS, COMBINATION 2 AND 3 REALLY THE FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCE ON THAT IS THE DROUGHT MANAGEMENT. COMBINATION 3, YOU ARE USING THE RECLAIMED WATER NOT JUST FOR MFL BUT ALSO FOR DROUGHT MANAGEMENT FOR YOUR RESERVOIR, WHEREAS COMBINATION 2 YOU WOULD BE SCHARGING FOR THE MFL, SELLING A PORTION OF THAT WATER, AND DISPOSING PART OF THE WATER TO DEEP WELL INJECTION. IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS IS THE TO ALTERNATIVE COMBINATION BASED ON THE BENEFIT AND THE OVERALL COMBINED RANKING IS COMBINATION 3, THE AQUIFER RECHARGE AND RECOVERY. WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT YOU CONTINUE TO EXPLORE THE FEASIBILITY OF COMBINATION 2 AND COMBINATION 3. THE REASON WE ARE RECOMMENDING COMBINATN 2O CONSIDER THAT IS IT WAS THE LOWEST COST OPTION. HOWEVER THAT INVOLVES SELLING THE RECLAIMED WATER TO ANOTHER ENTITY. AND SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT YOU WOULD FIRST WANT TO EXPLORE THE INTEREST TO SEE IF YOU COULD -- WOULD BE ABLE TO SELL THE RECLAIMED WATER TO ANOTHER ENTITY WITHIN THE TIME PERIOD THAT YOU MAY CHOOSE AND ASPECTS OF ANY AGREEMENT LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY. IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THERE THAT YOU FOUND DESIRABLE, THEN WE WOULD ALSO RECOMMEND FURTHER EXPLORATION OF THE DEEP WELL INJECTION FROM PERMITTABILITY AND FEASIBILITY OF THE GEOTECHNICAL. OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ALSO INCLUDE CONTINUATION OF YOUR CONSERVATION AND YOUR PIPES PROGRAMS. THE CITY HAS BEEN DOING CONSERVATION FOR DECADES SO YOU HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A LEADER ON THAT. AND THEN FINALLY IMPLEMENTATION OF THINGS LIKE AMI OR ADVANCED METERING INFRASTRUCTURE. WE SEE THOSE, IT DIDN'T MATTER WHICH COMBINATION YOU TAKE. THOSE TYPES OF PROGRAMS ARE ALWAYS BENEFICIAL TO THE CITY. SO WITH THAT I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QSTIO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WISH SOMETHING EXPLAINED TO THE PUBLIC, THERE'S SO MANY LETTERS AND NAMES AND HAVE TROUBLE. LIKE ASR, WE KNOW WHAT IT IS BUT THE PUBLIC MAY NOT. YOU GO TO HRR. THE PUBLIC MAY NOT KNOW WHAT IT IS. I THINK I KNOW WHAT IT IS. AND YOU HAVE GOT TO EXPLAIN WHY THE COST, AND TWO ARE TIED FOR SECOND, AND ONE IS ALMOST TWICE, A LITTLE OVER TWICE THE AMOUNT OF 3. HOWEVER, THE LESS EXPENSIVE OR THE LEAST EXPENSIVE IS THE ONE THAT THE CITY HAS TO SELL RECLAIMED WATER. BUT IT DOESN'T SAY HOW YOU ARE GOING TO SELL IT, HOW YOU ARE GOING TO GET IT THERE. THAT'S NUMBER 2. AND THERE'S ANOTHER IDEA THAT'S NEVER BEEN BROUGHT UP. AND THE COST OF THE PIPE FROM.A TO.B MEANING FROM CURREN TO TIPPIN IS THE SAME COST ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, WHETHER FINISHED OR RECLAIMED WATER, PURIFICATION. HOWEVER, BY OCTOBER 31st OF THIS YEAR, I BELIEVE THE LEGISLATION THAT WAS PASSED BY THE LEGISLATURE THIS YEAR, WE MUST PRESENT A PLAN TO WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO WITH THE RECLAIMED WATER. I'M SURE SOMEONE IS GOING TO ASK YOU, WHO ARE YOU GOING TO SELL IT TO? HOWEVER, LET ME TELL YOU WHAT THE LEGISLATURE -- I ALWAYS INK, WHAT IF? AND THAT BOTHERS ME, THE WHAT IF? WHAT IF NOTHING OF THIS HAPPENS. THERE IS NO COST INVOLVED IN FINDING OUT WHAT THE IDEA OF COST IS, TO CONVERT THE HOWARD CURREN PLANT INTO A DRINKING WATER STANDARD. AND FEED IT INTO THE BAY TO MAKE SURE THAT PLANNING POINT NEVER HAPPENS IN THIS DAY AGAIN. IF YOU REALLY WANT TO BE AN ENVIRONMENTALIST AND YOU REALLY WANT TO HELP EVERYTHING AROUND, IT WILL BE AT LEAST ANOTHER PRESENTATION OF WHAT TO DO WITH THAT WATER. RIGHT NOW, I C SAY THAT WHERE THAT RECLAIMED WATER IS GOING ON FOR MANY YEARS, NOW YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW, 30, 40, 50 YEARS MAYBE, BUT WE HAVE MADE, WE THE CITY OF TAMPA AND THE CITIZENS, HAVE CREATED A RESTORATION OF THE SPECIES TO COME BACK GREATER THAN IT WAS IN THE 1950s, IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT IS CORRECT. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF WE REALLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT, WE CAN BE THE LEADER NOT ONLY HEREN FLORIDA BUT THE WHOLE UNITED STATES ON HOW TO DO THINGS RIGHT. AND ONE OF THE BUYERS MAY BE TAMPA BAY WATER. HOW DOES IT GET THERE? WHAT IS THE COST TO GET THERETO? IS IT GOING TO BE FEASIBLE, THE COST? THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS THAT GO THROUGH MY MIND RAPIDLY SO I EVEN -- BEFORE I SPEAK. BUT SOME WHAT I AM SAYING IS WE HAVE TO LOOK AT OTHER ALTERNATIVES THAT HAVE NOT -- ON THE CITY'S SIDE. TO FIND OUT WHAT IT COSTS. ALL THE OTHER COSTS, WE KNOW WHAT THE PIPES ARE GOING TO COST. WE KNOW WHAT THE ENGINEERING IS GOING TO COST. WE KNOW THE DISTRIBUTION. WE ALREADY HAVE A DISTRIBUTION TO SOME POINT. AND CERTAINLY THE PIPES PROGRAM WAS MENTIONED BEFORE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON. THAT IS GOING SAVE A FEW MILLION GALLONS. HOWEVER, I FIND IT ODD THAT THIS COUNCIL VOTED 5-2 SOMETIME BACK NOT TO EXPAND THE WATER PLANT BUT THE PIPES PROGRAM. DOESN'T MAKE ECONOMIC SENSE. SO I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A GREATER UNDERSTANDING NOT ONLY FOR OURSELVES, THE SEVEN 6 US, BUT FOR THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THIS AREA. ALTHOUGH WE HAVE A -- WE GOT THAT 600,000, AM I CORRECT? >>BRAD BAIRD: YES. ALMOST 700,000, YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M OFF BY 100,000. BUT WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY, MR. BAIRD, IS THERE'S SO MANY THINGS TT WE HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS INVIGORATING TO SEE THE TECHNOLOGY THAT'S OUT THERE NOW THAN THE 20s AND 30s AND 40S. WE USED TO GET WATER FROM ULELE SPRINGS I.I DON'T REMEMBER THAT BECAUSE THAT WAS BACK EVEN BEFORE, I DON'T KNOW, IT HAS TO BE THE 1900s, I THINK ABOUT 400,000 OR 4 MILLION GALLONS, ONE OF THE TWO. AND THAT WAS THE ONE WE HAD. WHEN I WAS FIRST ELECTED IN 1974, 20% OF THE POPULION AND IY BE INVERTED OATH EITHER DIDN'T HAVE WATER OR 20%, NOTHING BUT WELL WATER. OR THEY DIDN'T HAVE CONNECTION TO THE CITY'S LINES GOING TO THE HOWARD CURREN PLANT. THEY HAD SEPTIC TANKS. AND SOMEWHERE IN THE 70s WE PASSED THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU HAD TO SIGN IN FOR CITY WATER AND YOU HAD TO HOOK UP TO THE LINE. AND I THINK IT WAS SOMETHING OF $200 $250. DON'T QUOTE ME TO THAT. THAT WAS A LONG TIME AGO. BUT REMEMBER THAT? YOU WERE THERE. >> I WAS THERE, TOO. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SO I CAN THANK THAT COUNCIL FOR MAKING THOSE STEPS BECAUSE IF THAT HADN'T HAPPENED, CAN YOU IMAGINE WHERE WE WOULD BE TODAY? AND WHAT I AM SAYING IS WE HAVE TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX, AND THINK OF WHAT WE CAN DO WITH WHAT WE HAVE. ALL OF US, OUGHT TO BE PROUD OF WHAT WE HAVE. BECAUSE -- ST. PETE DOESN'T HAVE THAT, DO THEY? >> THEY DO NOT. >> AND THEY USED TOCHASSIFIES TAMPA, WHERE THEY ARE PUTTING UNTREATED. NOW, MILLIONS OF GALLONS A DAY. SO I AM GOING TO TAKE MY GLOVES OFF BECAUSE I AM NOT GOING TO TAKE IT NO MORE THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA DOES THIS, THAT OR THE OTHER. AND THERE'S ANOTHER THING. I DON'T KNOW HOW TAMPA BAY GOT INTO THE CHILDREN'S MUSEUM, BUT I AM GOING TO FIND OUT. AND I AM JUST EXHAUSTED OF THIS WATER ISSUE. THERE IS NOWHERE -- IF YOU HAVE BEEN TO ATLANTA, LIKE LANIER, IF YOU HAVE BEEN TO CALIFORNIA, IF YOU HAVE BEEN TO CALIFORNIA, TEXAS, TO ISRAEL, AUSTRALIA, YOU CAN NAME COUNTRY AFTER COUNTRY AFTER COUNTRY, AND ALL OF THEM DRINKING THIS. I AND I DON'T KNOW ONE PERSON WHO DIED. AND I REMEMBER THE GENTLEMAN THAT WE BROUGHT IN FROM CENTRAL MEXICO THAT THE WAT SUPPLY ABOUT 60, 70 MILLION GALLONS, 12, 14 YEARS AGO, WE HAD A MEETING AT THE FEIGN UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA, IT WAS ABOUT 200, 250 PEOPLE THERE. WE LEARNED A LOT. THE PUBLIC WAS APPALLED AT WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH WATER. AND SOMEBODY ELSE CAN DO IT. WHY CAN'T WE? FURTHERMORE, THIS CITY IS ONE OF THE FASTEST CITIES GROWING IN AMERICA. AND IT AIN'T BECAUSE OF US. IT'S BECAUSE OF THE WEATHER, BECAUSE OF THE AGE OF PEOPLE UP NORTH, BECAUSE OF THE TAXES OF PEOPLE UP NORTH, WHERE THEY ARE AT, WHEN YOU BUY A HOUSE FOR HALF A MILLION, IT'S CHUMP CHANGE. YOU CAN'T BUY A HOUSE IN NEW YORK CITY. YOU CAN'T BUY AN APARTMENT IN NEW YORK CITY. AND IT'S HAPPENING HERE. AND LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT WATER COSTS. I WOULD CHALLENGE ANYONE TO GIVE YOU BETTER WATER FOR THE PRICE THAT WE ARE DELIVERING IT. AND WHAT HAPPENS TO THE WATER? 20 YEARS AGO. $2 A MONTH. WE NEVER CHARGED FOR NO PIPES. WE NEVER CHARGED FOR NO REPLACEMENT. WE CHARGED FOR THE DRINKING WATER THAT WE PRODUCED, THE DISTRIBUTION, AND THE METERING AND THE COST OF SENDING THE BILLS OUT. THERE WAS NEVER A COST THAT I KNOW OF TO REPLACE AND REPAIR. BUT WE WERE SPENDING, YOU KNOW WHAT? 20 SOME MILLION DOLLARS BETWEEN THE WATER AND THE TWO TREATMENT LINES, CURREN AND WATER COMING FROM HOWARD -- I MEAN DAVID TIPPIN. SO 20 SOME MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR. I THINK IT WAS ABOUT 24. YOU JUST MULTIPLY IT BY TEN YEARS. WHAT WE ALSO DID, THE WATER COST IS THE SAME AS WHEN WE LEFT MANY YEARS AGO. HOWEVER, WE INCLUDE IT, BECAUSE MORE WATER, MORE REPLACE; 30 MILLION, 40 MILLION, AND AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU HAVE NOTHING BUT LEAKY PIPES. SO WHEN THIS HAPPENS, THAT COUNCIL TOOKHE INITIATIVE TO DO THAT, CHARGE $2, WENT UP TO $3. WHY DO WE DO THAT? YOU KNOW, I'M SO HAPPY THAT -- LET ME SAY SOMETHING ELSE. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO THROW MONEY AWAY REPAIRING, NOT REPLACING, RIGHT THERE, AND YOU ARE RUNNING AROUND CHASING NOTHING, BUT YOU CAN'T FIX THEM ALL. WE ARE IN THE PROCESS NOW OF HAVING, IF WE CAN DO ALL OF THIS, ONE OF THE FINEST DISTRIBUTIONS IN WATER AND THE COST. SEE, THE COST OF WATER HAS TO GO UP. $3. WHY? FOR THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. WHEN YOU FINANCE SOMETHING, GUESS WHAT HAPPENS. YOU ONLY GET HALF OF IT DONE BECAUSE THE OTHER HALF IS INTEREST. SO WE ARE SO STUPID IN AMERICA THAT WE FINANCE IT. IT GETS DONE. IT GETS DONE ALL RIGHT BUT SOMEBODY IS GETTING 4.5, 5% INTEREST. NOT IN THIS CITY. WE DID THAT BECAUSE ABOUT 47% OF THE TOTAL COST OF THE 2.9 BILLION DOLLARS IS GOING TO BE 100% FINANCED BY US, THE CITY. THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THIS CITY, BECAUSE THEY WERE SMART ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND THAT. THE OTHER 53% LATER IN LIFE POSSIBLY, IF WE DON'T FIND A MIRACLE, IS GOING TO HAVE TO FINANCE IT. BUT WE CAN STA IT. HOWEVER, FROM WHERE I COME FROM, YOU HAVE TO THINK A LITTLE AHEAD. IF YOU TURN THE CORNER IT'S GOING TO KNOCK THE HELL OUT OF YOU. WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IS THIS. WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT THIS CITY HAS DONE AND COMPARE WITH NO ONE. WE ARE WAY AHEAD OF THE CURVE. HOWEVER, WE MUST LOOK 20, 30, 50 YEARS AGO BECAUSE IN 1998, YOU WERE THERE, WE OFFERED WATER TO AN AGENCY. IT TURNED U DOWN. WE OFFERED DIFFERENT PHASES A COUPLE YEARS AGO AND THEY TURNED US DOWN. SO WHEN SOMEBODY IS GOING TO TELL ME HOW MANY MILLIONS OF GALLONS, 20, 25 MILLION GALLONS A DAY, TO MAKE THE OPERATION WORK, IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK. AND WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR THE DISTRIBUTION? NO ONE EVER TOLD ME THAT. NO ONE TOLD THE PUBLIC THAT. I AM BRINGING IT UP. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET IT THERE AND WHO IS GOING TO BUY IT? THAT'S WHY YOU HAVTO HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE. IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, YOU GET THAT WATER, YOU COMPLY WITH THE OCTOBER 31, 2021, DEADLINE, YOU COMPLY WITH THAT, THAT'S THE FIRST THING YOU GOT TO DO. WHAT ARE YOU GOING DO DO WITH THE WATER? THIS CITY WOULD BE PRISTINE AS FAR AS HELPING THE ENVIRONMENT. WE DON'T -- THOSE PEOPLE THAT GO TO CLEARWATER, ST. PETE, MADEIRA BEACH WHEREVER PASS-A-GRILLE THEY COME OVER HERE. THEY DON'T COME TO CITY COUNCIL BUT THEY WANT TO GO TO THE LOWRY PARK ZOO, TO THE AQUARIUM, LIKE ALL KID, THEY WANT TO SEE WHAT THEY GOT TO SEE. SO WE WILL GET THE RESIDUAL VALUE FROM THAT ALONE. CHAIRMAN, I APOLOGIZE BUT I WILL STOP RIGHT NOW. I AM NOT GOING TO LET GO AT ALL. AND I PROMISE YOU,. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>BILL CARLSON: I HAVE A FEW COMMENTS AND QUICK QUESTIONS. FIRST OF ALL, AS I SAID BEFORE, ANOTHER TIME, THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT WE ARE GOING TO DO THIS ESTIMATE IN THE FUTURE. OBVIOUSLY THERE'S TECHNOLOGY AROUND THE WORLD, THE CHOICE OF TECHNOLOGY IN THIS CASE I THINK IS BEING QUESTIONED BY A LOT OF ENVIRONMENTALISTS. THEY DON'T TRUST IT. BUT THE BIG ISSUE IS, WHEN DO WE DO IT AND HOW DO WE DO IT? AND IT'S BEEN PROVEN MTIPL WAYS T NOW OTHER THAN WE HAVE LEGISLATION THAT'S COMING FORWARD, THAT'S COMING FORWARD, THAT'S REQUIRING US TO DO IT. OTHERWISE, WE WOULDN'T RUSH THIS. I THINK IT'S RECKLESS AND IRRESPONSIBLE TO PUT THIS COST ON OUR RATE PAYERS AT A TIME WHEN WE JUST DOUBLED THE RATE A COUPLE YEARS AGO. YOU ALL ALL KNOW, YOU HEARD FROM OUR CONSTITUENTS. A LOT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T DO IT, PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, A LOT OF PEOPLE -- THAT THEIR RATES WERE GOING TO DOUBLE AND THEY COULDN'T AFFORD IT. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD THAT EXTRA $40 OR WHATEVER THEIR BILL IS PER MONTH. I THINK WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO THEM THAT WE DON'T RAISE THE RATES UNTIL WE NEED TO. THIS IS NOT LIKE REPLACING PIPES THAT ARE FAILING FALLING A PART. THIS IS ABOU SOLVE A PROBLEM 30 YEARS IN THE FUTURE OR PROVIDING A LIFETIME DROUGHT OR ONCE IN 20 WOULD SOLVE THROUH OUR RGIONAL PLAN. MY FIRST QUESTION TO YOU IS, N THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, ARE YOU ALL GOING TO SOW ALL OUR OPTIONS OR ARE YOU ONLY GOING TO HOW THE TOP 2 OR 3? >>BRAD BAIRD: OVER THE NEXT FEW N THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WRE SHOWN BY OUR PUBLIC OUTREACH TEAM, AND WE WILLUSE THAT INFORMATION TO INCORPORATE IN THE COMBINTION WE END UP WITH, WHICH WILL BE EITHER COMBINATION >>BILL CARLSON: WHY WOULDN'T -- CAN YOU -- I WILL MAKE A MOTION I THINK IT'S NECESSARY FOR THE PUBLIC TO EE WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE. ONE OF THEM IS WHAT I CALLTHE PURPLE PIPES, AND I THINK THEY HAVE NAMES, BY THE WAY, IN TALKING TO THE UBLIC, R A, B, C AND D. BUT THEY NEED TO BE EXPLANED IN A SIMPLE WAY. BUT IF THE PUBLIC HAS BEEN SAYING, WE ARE GOING TO PUT THIS WATER ON OURADS STEAD OF PUTTING DRINKING WATER ON N OUR ARDS AND THEN DY WATER. SO IF WE GIVE THEMA CHOICE AND WE SAY YOUR RATE IS GOING TO GO UP BY$40 A MONTH FINANCE WE DO ONE VERSION AND UP BY $80 IF WE DO ANOTHER VERSION, THEN THEY HAVE A CHOICE, THY CAN GIVE US FEEDBACK. BUT IF WE DON'T GIVE THEM A CHOICE THEN IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE JUST RMMING ONE IDEA DOWN. I THINK GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO GIVE US FEEDBACK ON WHICH ONE THEY DON'T WANT. I AN TELL YOU FROM MY EXPERIENCE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT IS% ALWAYS NECESSARY TO GIVE THEM OPTIONS THEY CAN THROW WAIT A MINUTE OTHERWISE IT'S A YES-NO VOTE ON THE REOMMENDATIONS YOU HAVE. >>BRAD BAIRD: WE WILL AS PRT OF THE PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT BE PROVIDING THE INORMATION ON THE AND THAT REPORT WILL BEEPORT.- AVAILABLE ONLINE TO THE PUBLIC COMBINATIONS. >>BILL CRLSON: BECAUSE TO THE PUBLIC, YOU SAY, HERE ARE THE AND SALTWATER INTRUSION, THEE ARE THE THREE REASONS WHY WE NEED TO DO THI AND HERE ARE FOUR ALTERNATIVES THAT WE PROPOE IN TH STUDY AND HERE IS THE OUTCOME, GIVE US YOUR EEDBACK ON THESE AS COMPARED. >>JEAN DUNCAN: I JUST WANT T ADD WHILE BRAD IS SHARING, PART OF WHAT WE ARE GONG TO BE DOING IN OUR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT IS WORKIG WITH OUR TEAM, AGAIN, OF MULTI-FACETED TEAM, AND FINDING BETTER WAYS TO COMMUNICATE TH ALTERNATIVES IN LANGUAGE THAT IS LAYMEN'STERMS UNDERSTANDABLE. >>BILL CARLSON: THE MAIN UESTION, ARE YOU GOING TO PUT ALL FOUR OR JUST THE SHORT LIST? >>JEAN DUNCAN: W COMMITTED TO NEUTRAL SOLUTION APPROACH. SO WE AR GOING TO PRESENT ALL THE OPTIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE, EVEN IF THEY ARE -- THEY ARE OT ARE TRYING TO SOLE. SO WE HAVEN'T LAIDHE DAILS OUT YET.% BUT USING TERMS AND QUESTIONS, INFORMATION THAT PEOPE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. >>BILL CARLSON: BECAUSEIF WE HAVE AN OBJECTIVE PRESENTATION TO THE PUBLICAND WE PRESENT ALL THE ALTERNATIVES AND THE PROS ND CONS OF EACH AND THE PUBLIC COMES BACK AND SAYS, YEH, WE REALLY LIKE A CERTAIN OPTION, THIS OPTION THAT OU ALL ARE PROPOSING, I THINK WE WOULD GO ALOG WITH T, IF IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WAS EXTENSIVE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. >>JEAN DUNCAN: I WAS GOING TO IKE THE FACTS, MOST LIKELY MAJORITY CONCLUSION WE WILL HAVE OF WHAT IS THE BEST ALTERNATIVE. THAT'S THEBEST WAY TO GET THAT CONSENSUS IS WHAT THE FACTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. SO WE ILL BE DOING THAT -- >>BILL CARLSON: AS WE SAID @BEFE THAT THE FACTS ARE PRESENTED N AN ACCURATE WAY, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, THE MESSAGE, WE NEED THIS FOR UPPLY, I'M SURE YOU CAN SHOW NUMBERS THAT SAY HAT'S TRUE, I'M SURE YON SHOW NUMBERS THAT SAY THAT IS'T TRUE. THE SECOND QUESTION, MR. MIRAND% MADE A MOTION A FEW WEEKS AGO TO HAVE STAFF OF TAMPA BAY WATER TO MEET TO TALK ABOUT POSSIBILITIES. DID THAT MEETING HAPPEN AND WHAT WAS THE OUTCOME OF IT? >>BRAD BAIRD: THAT WAS THE NEXT THING I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT. >>BILL CARLSON: LET ME GO TOTAL NEXT THING IF YOU ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT AND THEN COME BACK TO IT. 'N IN MY CONVERSATION WITH JEAN AND CHUCK THE OTHER DAY, I FOLLOWED UP WITH TAMPA BAY WATER. TAMPA IS NOT AN OFFICIAL MESSAGE TO ME OR ANYTHING, BUT I THINK -- AND MR. MIRANDA SITS ON THE BOARD -- BUT THE CITY NOTIFIED TAMPA BAY WATER I THINK A DAY OR TWO BEFORE THE LAST BOARD MEETING TT T CITY NEEDS A DECISION BY OCTOBER AS TO WHETHER TAMPA BAY WATER CAN BUY 20 MILLION GALLONS A DAY, AND THAT WAS THE FIRST REALLY THAT TAMPA BAY WATER HAD BEEN ASKED THAT, AND IT WAS AT A BOARD MEETING AND THEY HAVE A COUPLE MORE BOARD MEETINGS BEFORE OCTOBER WHICH IS NOT SUFFICIENT TIME. SO HOW DO -- IF OUR PURPOSE IS TO HAVE AN HONEST DIALOGUE AND LOOK FOR HONEST OPTIONS, HOW DO WE DO THAT AND THEN CONNECT TO THAT AS A POSSIBLE UNDER THE LEGISLATION, TO GO BACK THE LEGISLATURE AND SAY WE ARE IN EARNEST TRYING TO COME UP WITH ALTERNATIVES BUT WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO GIVE YOU THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION, OR GIVE ATTENTIVE ANSWER, AND THEN COME BACK WITH A FINAL ANSWER. >>BRAD BAIRD: OKAY. SO, YEAH, MOVING FORWARD, WE WILL BE HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH TAMPA BAY WATER, THEIR INTERIM GENERAL MANAGER CHUCK HARDON GAVE A PRESENTATION, OR SMALL PRESENTATION TO THE BOA, A I WAS NOT THERE. I WAS ON VACATION. BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE GOT THE APPROVAL TO PROCEED TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS. AND THE DISCUSSIONS NEED TO INCLUDE TWO PRIMARY THINGS. ONE, THE PURCHASE OF 20 MILLION GALLONS A DAY, AS YOU JUST MENTIONED. ASSOCIATED WITH COMBINATION TWO. COMBINATION TWO TO HELP SOLVE OUR THREE PROBLEMS, WE WOULD NEED TO SELL 20 MGD TO SOMEBODY, WHETHER THAT'S TAMPA BAY WATER, POLK COUNTY, HILLSBOROUGH COTY. AND WE WOULD NEED TO KNOW THAT IF WE ARE SUBMITTING THE PLANS BY NOVEMBER 1st AS REQUIRED BY THE LEGISLATIVE LEGISLATION. >>BILL CARLSON: CAN WE GO AHEAD AND START REQUESTING A DELAY? AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER OTHER CITIES ARE DOING THIS. AND THEN SIMULTANEOUSLY COULDN'T WE GET OUR LOBBYIST FOR THE CITY TO START ASKING FOR APPEAL SINCE THE LEGISLATION IS CHANGING, IT'S A HUGE UNFUNDED MANDATE THAT IS GOING TO PUT A BURDEN ON OUR RATE PAYERS ESPECIALLY PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING WEEK TO WEEK, IT'S GOING TO BE A HORRIBLE INCREASE FOR THEM. >>BRAD BAIRD: UNDER. THAT'S NOT THE POSITION OF CITY ADMINISTRATION TO THIS POINT. AND WE ARE WORKING WITH A GROUP OF UTILITIES ACROSS FLORIDA ON SUBMITTING THE PLAN. SO THAT ALL UTILITIES ARE ON THE SAME PAGE. SO THE INTENT NOW IS TO COMPLY WITH THE LEGISLATION AND SUBMIT THAT PLAN BY NOVEMBER 1st. WE ARE HOPEFUL THAT WITH ALL THE WORK THAT THEY HAVE DONE OVER THE YRS, AND EVERY FIVE YEARS FOR THE MASTER WATER SUPPLY PLAN, THAT THEY WILL KNOW, THEY KNOW NOW WHETHER OR NOT THEY NEED TO BUY OR NEED $20 MILLION GALLONS A DAY TO MEET THE FUTURE GROWTH DEMANDS. >>BILL CARLSON: ONE OF THE OPTION THAT'S NOT IN THERE IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY WE DRAW SOMETHING LIKE 11 MGD FROM SULPHUR SPRINGS AND THE RESULT IS SALTWATER INTRUSION. WHAT IF WE JUST STOP PUMPING 11 MR. GD? WOULD IT NOT STOP OUR MINIMUM FLOWS BY MGD AND JUST BUY THAT FROM TAMPA BAY WATER INSTEAD? >> THAT IS AN ALTERNATIVE, YES. >>BILL CARLSON: IS IT SAFE? LIKE I SAID ON THE DESCRIPTIONS IT'S NOT CLEAR WHICH ALTERNATIVE IS THAT UNDER? STOP PUMPING? >>BRAD BAIRD: LET ME COVER THE SECOND ITEM AND I WILL ASK MARK IF HE CAN ADDRESS THAT. >>BILL CARLSON: I WILL JUST SAY THIS AND THEN I WILL BE QUIET FOR NOW BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THE BIGGEST OPTION THAT'S NOT ON THE TABLE IS THAT WE WOULD GO TO SOMEBODY LIKE TAMPA BAY WATER IDEALLYECAU THEY ARE THE REGIONAL WHOLESALER SUPPLY AND WE WOULD OFFER TO SELL THEM THAT 50 GMD. WE DON'T KNOW IF EXACT RATE BECAUSE THOSE RATES ARE BEING DISCUSSED BUT LET'S SAY YOU GET $1.25 PER THOUSAND GALLONS AND I THINK THE WHOLESALE RATE IS 250. SO WHAT IF WE SOLD ALL OF OUR WATER AT THAT 125 AND THEN WE ONLY BUY BACK WHAT WE NEED, AND IF WE NEED 11 MGD TO REPLACE SULPHUR SPRINGS WE COULD BUY THAT BUT WE COULD INCLUDE THE FIRST RIGHT OF REFUSAL OR GUARANTEE BUY BACKO WE WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO 50 GD WHICH WOULD TAKE US PROBABLY TO THE NEXT 100 YEARS, AND OUR RATE PAYERS WOULDN'T HAVE TO SPEND THE OF $6 BILLION OR $2 BILLION, WE WOULD JUST BUY THE WATER WE NEED, AND SINCE WE DON'T NEED EXCESS SUPPLY FOR AT LEAST 20 YEARS, THEN ALL WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS SOLVE THE SALTWATER INTRUSION ISSUE RIGHT? >>BRAD BAIRD: AND MINIMUM FLOWS YES. THE -- >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. BAIRD. I AM GOING TO LET YOU MAKE THAT POINT THAUT THEN I WANT TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT BECAUSE I WANT TO END THIS MEETING. AND THE NEXT TIME WE HAVE A WATER ISSUE ABOUT PURE, SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND ME, ON THE AGENDA, BECAUSE THIS IS A HOT TOPIC, A LOT OF PEOPLE TALKING. I AM NOT GOING TO FILL THE AGENDA UP ON THAT DAY IF WE HAVE TO GO BACK WITH ANOTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT PURE. I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. TO THE ADMINISTRATION AND MR. SHELBY AND THE CLERK'S OFFICE F.PURE COMES BACK, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ITEMS ARE CUT DOWN SO THAT WE CAN GET UP THERE WHATEVER, BECAUSE THESE ARE A LOT OF TOPICS COMG UP, OTHER WEISS QUESTIONS BEING ASKED, AND I WANT TO GIVE THOSE PEOPLE THE TIME THAT TOOK OFF WORK TO GET TO THEM, AND MAKE SURE THAT COUNCIL MOAN HAVE THEIR QUESTIONS ASKED AND THE ADMINISTRATION UNDERSTANDS. >>BRAD BAIRD: YES, IT WOULD TAKE QUITE A BIT OF TIME TO ANSWER THE ISSUES THAT MR. CARLSON BROUGHT UP. BUT IT'S DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE SECOND DISCUSSIONS THAT WE WANT TO HAVE WITH TAMPA BAY WATER, AND THAT IS PARTNERING OPPORTUNITIES ASSOCIATED WITH THE COMBINATION 3, BECAUSE COMBINATION 3 WOULD INCLUDE EEIN UP THE WELL WATER IN THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER WATERSHED FOR THE REGION. WHICH WOULD BE A GAME CHANGER FOR THE TAMPA BAY WATER, AND FOR THE REGION. SO WE WANT TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS AS WELL. AND FINALLY, DISCUSSIONS WITH FDEP REGARDING THE PERMEABILITY OF DEEP WELL INJECTION. BECAUSE COMBINATION 2 NOT ONLY REQUIRES SELLING 20 MILLION GALLONS A DAY TO ANOTHER ENTITY, IT ALSO REQUIRES TO PUT DOWN AT LEAST THE OTHER 30 MILLION GALLONS A DAY BUT IN SOME PARTS OF THE YEAR 50 MILLION GALLONS A DAY, THOUSANDS OF FEET INTO THE DEEP WELL INJECTION. AND THAT MAY NOT BE CONSIDERED BY THE STATE TO BE A BENEFICIAL REUSE, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER DISCUSSION. AND I WILL HOLD OFF ON ANSWERING ALL THE OTHER, IF THAT'S YOUR WISH. >>ORLANDO GUDES: LET ME DO THIS. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION HERE. I WILL LET YOU JUMP IN, BUT THEN I WANT TO GET TO THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE WAITING. WE ARE GOING TO CUT IT OFF, AND SET ANOTHER DATE TO BRING IT ALL IMPACT, AND THEWE HE A LONGER DAY BECAUSE THIS TAKES A WHILE. >>JAN MCLEAN: OFFICE OF CITY ATTORNEY. I WANT TO ADDRESS ONE FOCUS ITEM THAT MR. CARLSON HAS RAISED AND OTHERS RAISED AS WELL. AND THAT'S THE REQUIREMENT WITHIN THE LEGISLATION THAT WE SUBMIT A PLAN TO THE DEP BY NOVEMBER 1st OF THIS YEAR. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE EXTENDED, AND I WAS IN A CONVERSATION YESTERDAY WITH DOZENS OF UTILITIES ON THE TELECONFERENCE AND WE WERE ALL DISCUSSING HOW WE WERE GOING TO COMPLY WITH THAT REQUIREME. IT'S A DATE CERTAIN THAT YOU HAVE TO SUBMIT A PLAN, AND IF YOU DON'T SUBMIT A PLAN OR IF YOUR PLAN IS REJECT THEN YOU ARE SUBJECT TO ENFORCEMENT BY THE STATE, THREE DIFFERENT KIND OF ENFORCEMENT, AND THAT BY 2028, YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DISCHARGE WHAT YOU ARE DISCHARGING AS OF THIS TIME. AND LET ME JUST SAY THAT THOSE ENFORCEMENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE STATE INCLUDE MONETARY AND INJUNCTIVE RELIEF. SO THIS IS VY CRITICAL THAT WE MEET THAT NOVEMBER 1st DATE. IT DOES ALLOW FOR CONCEPTUAL. IT DOES ALLOW FOR MODIFICATION. IT DOES NOT EXTEND THE TIME PERIODS. THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY, SIR. >>ORLANDO GUDES: DO WE HAVE ANY FOLKS ON THE SECOND FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENT RELATIVE TO THIS ITEM? DO WE HAVE ANY STAFF DOWN THERE ON THE SECOND FLOOR? ALL RIGHT. GOING ONCE. GOING TWICE. ALL RIGHT, MR. BAIRD. ARE YOU ITEM NUMBER 9? >> YES. HI. HOW ARE YOU? MY NAME IS ANGELA MOORE. I'M A COMMUNITY ACTIVIST FOR THE INNER CITY COMMUNITY. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE TODAY. I BASICALLY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF MY COMMUNITY AND THE INNER CITY COMMUNITY OF ROBLES PARK, WEST TAMPA, COLLEGE HILL, PONCE DeLEON, CENTRAL PARK, RUBY TERRACE, ET CETERA, CLAIR M. WE ARE SAYING NO TO THE RECLAIMED WATER. FORTUNATELY, I AM A WOMAN FROM THE URBAN COMMUNITY, AND SINGLE MOTHER OF SIX. I'M RAISING MY CHILDREN. I PUT THREE THROUGH COLLEGE AND I DID THE BEST I COULD WITHOUT THE HELP OF THE HOUSING, OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE WHEN YOU ARE ABLE TO LEAD YOUR LEAVE YOUR INNER CITY AND VISIT OTHER CITIES. I VISIT NEW ORLEANS. THEY ARE DIRTY. I VISIT NEW YORK. THEY ARE DIRTY. AND TAMPA, WE HAVE A QUALITY ABOUT US WHERE WE ARE CLEAN. WE MANICURE OUR LANDSCAPING. WE CLEAN OUR GARBAGE CANS AROUND SO WE DON'T HOST RACCOONS. WE ENJOY BEACHES, AND AS A CHILD, IF YOU SEE PAPER, LITTER ON THE FLOOR, TO PICK IT UP. IF YOU GO INTO A RESTAURANT AND THEY GIVE YOU A DIRTY GLASS, IT'S NATURAL COMMON SENSE TO SEND THE GLASS BAC BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO DRINK OUT OF A DIRTY GLASS, NO LESS DIRTY WATER. I COME FROM A LONG LINE OF WOMEN WITH OCD. WE HAVE BEEN TAUGHT FROM CHILDREN TO CLEAN UP, CLEAN OUR HOMES, AND WE TAKE PRIDE WITH BARE HANDS. WITH THAT OCD IS PASSED DOWN TO OUR CHILDREN. MY DAUGHTER WAS THE AGE OF NINE AND SHE WAS DIAGNOSED WITH CHIGELLA, THINGS THAT WERE AIRBORNE, I HAD TO SN A PAPER STATING THAT I WOULDN'T SUE THE HOSPITAL BECAUSE THIS MEDICINE WAS BEING TRIED AT THE UNIVERSITY. I WAS THE FIRST TO USE IT. AND MY DAUGHTER IS A YOUNG LADY THAT HAD TRIPLETS ON CHRISTMAS. WE MADE IT AND WE CONTINUE TO MAKE IT DOING SIMPLE THINGS OF COMMON SENSE, OF KEEPING OURSELVES IN OUR COMMUNITY. IF WE HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE THAT THESE RESTAURANTS AND OTHER PROPERTIES WERE GIVING US RECLAIMED WATER, WE WOULD DENY IT. YOU HAVE GIVEN US THINGS WITHOUT OUR KNOWLEDGE AND WEPT DO DON'T KNOW. MY UNCLE JUST TOLD ME WE ATE A RACCOON BEFORE. UNCLE, IF YOU HAD TOLD ME I WAS EATING RACCOON I WOULDN'T HAVE ATE IT IF I HAD THE CHOICE. SO GIVE US THE CHOICE. NONE OF THESE PEOPLE SPEAKING TO THE COMMUNITY, SIR, I AM THE COMMUNITY. I NEVER SAW THEM THERE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING. >> AND I WILL BE BACK TO CONTINUE. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY BEFORE I LEAVE, BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN WAITING SINCE THIS MORNING, I DID WANT T GET CAUGHT UP IN THE HUSTLE AND BUSTLE, JOHN DINGFELDER, MY DAUGHTER IS THE AFRICAN LADY THAT WAS THERE IN 2019, AND YOU PROMISED ME AND MY CHILD THAT YOU WOULD GIVE OUR COMMUNITY BACK. I WOULD LIKE TO I APOLOGIZE APOLOGIZE FROM WHAT YOU ARE SEEING ON THE MEDIA AND SOCIAL MEDIA, FAQ, WITH THE COMMUNITY KILLING OURSELVES. I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THESE YOUNG MEN AND TAKE THEM TO THE WAR. THEY WON'T LET THEM SERVE BECAUSE THEY HAVE RECORDS. WHY NOT LELET THESE YOUNG MEN PROTECT US LIKE THEY ARE PROTECTING THEIR FAMILY? LIKE I SAID BEFORE I AM REPRESENTING ROBLES PARK, COLLEGE HILL, WE ARE NOT -- THESE ARE MY FRIEND CHILDREN, MY SISTERS CHILDREN. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MA'AM. WE ALLOWED YOU THREE MINUTES. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. >> AND JOHN I AM CALLING YOU OUT >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 9? DO WE HAVE ANY STAFF ON THE SECOND FLOOR? >> HELLO. >>ORLANDO GUDES: GO AHEAD, SIR. >> MY NAME IS LOX DEVOID. I HAVE A COUPLE OF BUSINESSES IN THE CITY LIMITS OF TAMPA SO I AM WELL FAMILIAR WITH BE THE WATER RATES. I ACTUALLY LIVE IN VALRICO. LUCKY ENOUGH TO LIVE ON THE ALAFIA RIVER. A REALLY BEAUTIFUL PLACE. RECENTLY ON MY PROPERTY, I'M ACROSS THE STREET FROM A WASTEWATER TREATMENT CENTER, OR RECLAIMED WATER FACILITY ON LITHIA PINECREST ROAD. THEY RECENTLY HAD A PIPE BURST AND IT FLOWED ONTO MY PROPERTY, AND I HAVE TO SAY THA THAT WATER SMELLED VERY MUCH OF FECAL MATERIAL. WHEN IT STAT AND WHEREVER IT STAT ON THE GROUND IT CREATED A BROWN, ORANGE BACTERIAL SCUM, LARGE BLOOM OF BACTERIA, AND ALSO THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF SOAP FOAM ON THAT WATER WHEN IT FLOWED ANYWHERE. WHEN THE COUNTY ENGINEER CAME OUT, AND THEY REPAIRED THE LINE, I THOUGHT FOR SURE IT WAS SEWAGE. AND I ASKED HIM SEVERAL TIMES AND HE ACTUALLY SHOWED ME THE LINE THAT HE REPAIRED. ITLF WAS THE BLUE LINE, THE RECLAIMED WATER LINE. IT WAS VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT. SO I KNOW WE HAVE ALL BEEN BY THE GOLF COURSES AND SMELLED THE SMELLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. CLEARLY, WHEN THIS PLAN CAME OUT, IT WAS A HUGE CONCERN FOR ME FOR PERSONAL REASONS, BUB I ALSO HAVE TO SAY I AM NOT AN ENGINEER BUT I DO HAVE -- I WAS A PRINCIPAL IN A COMPANY THAT WORKED TO CLEAN UP 17 BIOLOGICALLY DEAD BODIES OF WATER IN EASTERN EUROPE, LEFT OVER FROM THE RUSSIAN MILITARY. I ALSO WORKED FOR MANY YEARS FOR FORTUNE 100 COMPANY AS A SENIOR ANALYST AND MANAGER OF ANALYTICS. I HAVE WRITTEN MANY, MANY REPORTS, MANY, MANY COST BENEFIT ANALYSES, AND I CAN KIND OF SEE IN THE REPORT WHEN THE FIX IS IN. IF I LEARNED ANYTHING IN ALL THAT TIME, I LEARNED TO RECOGNIZE WHEN ONE SOLUTION HAD BEEN PRIORITIZED, NOT NECESSARILY FOR REASONS OF DATA ABOVE OTHER POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS, I AM VERY CONCERNED. I HAVE IN I AM GOING TO TALK ABOUT PROCESSING THE WATER FURTHER. IF WE ARE GOING TO BE ADDRESSING ISSUES LIKE LIFE ESTATES AND PHARMACEUTICALS THAT ARE IN THE WATER, THAT ARE OFTEN NOT TESTED FOR NOW, BUT I ALSO AM CONCERNED WHEN I LOOK AT THE REPORT ITSELF, THE THING I AM MOST CONCERNED WITH, BECAUSE IN ALL OF THOSE YEARS THAT I SPENT AS A SENIOR ANALYST, WHEN WE DID COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS, THE OTHER PART OF THAT ANALYSIS IS CALLED AN PORTUNITY AND RISK ANALYSIS, AND I HAVE NOT SEEN WITH THESE CONSULTANTS, I HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING LAKE A RISK ANALYSIS. WHEN I LOOK AT THE RISK OR THINK ABOUT THE RISK OF SPRAYING THIS WATER ONTO GOLF COURSES, THAT'S A VERY, VERY LOW RISK. [BELL SOUNDS] >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR. >> BUT THERE IS EXTREME RISK TO PUTTING THE WATER INTO THE AQUIFER. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR. ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? >> HELLO? HI. MY NAME IS REBECCA. I AM A ENTREPRENEUR. FURTHERMORE, I HAVE BEEN TRAINED IN SUSTAINABILITY BUILT CHIEF ARCHITECT OF THE PROJECT IN ARIZONA WHOSE LIFE'S WORK IS BUILDING ECOVILLAGES, SPECIALTY IS BUILDING NATURAL WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITIES, UTILIZING A SERIES OF POOLS OF ALGAE AND BACTERIA, PLANTS, DOING IT THE WAY NATURE HAS DONE IT FOR MILLIONS IF NOT BILLIONS OF YEAR. THE FLORIDAN AQUIFER IS A NATURAL TREASURE ON PAR TO THE GRAND CANYON, THOUGH MORE HUMBLY, SHE CAN ONLY BE SEEN BY MOST WHERE SHE BURST FORTH FROM THE GROUND IN OUR NATURAL SPRINGS SUCH AS WEEKI WACHEE, RAINBOW RIVER, LITHIA SPRINGS, OR OUR OWN LOCAL SPRINGS. THESE ARE PLACES WHERE PURE, CLEAN, DRINKABLE WATER HE MERGES FROM THE GROUND. CAN YOU IMAGINE SOMETHING SO GLORIOUS? IT FEELS AS IF IT'S MAGIC BUT IT'S ACTUALLY AN ANCIENT NATURAL PROCESS DESIGNED BY NATURE IN WHICH PLANTS, BACTERIA, SAND, SOIL AND LIMESTONE ACT AS FILTERS TO PURIFY THE WATER MAKING IT DRINKABLE AND POTABLE TO ALL, HUMANS, PLANTS AND ANIMALS. BEFORE YOU PROPOSE TO ADULTERATE THIS NATIONAL TREASURER OF OURS, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU, WOULD YOU FEED THIS WATER TO A NEWBORN BABY? WOULD YOU FEED THIS WATER TO YOUR CHILD? WOULD YOU FEED THIS WATER TO YOUR DOG? I WOULD LIKE TO SEE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU PROPOSING THIS TO DRINK A FULL ON-CAMERA FULL PINT GLASS OF THIS WATER BEFORE YOU PROPOSE TO PUMP IT INTO OUR NATURAL TREASURE, THE FLORIDAN AQUIFER. BY THE WAY, NEW ORLEANS, WHICH IS REFERENCED EARLIER AS DRINKING POTTY WATER, HAS ONE OF THE HIGHEST RATES OF COLON CANCER IN THE WORLD. CAN YOU STAND HERE AND TELL ME THAT BEARS NO RELATION SH? THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL FOR TODAY BUT WE WILL >>LAND GUDES: THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU CAN RECOGNIZED. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE LADY CALLED ME OUT. I NOTICE WHENEVER I GET CALLED OUT, THAT'S WHY MY WIFE DID THAT COMMERCIAL. DO YOU REMEMBER THAT? IT'S LIKE, IT'S DINGFELDER. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: REMEMBER MY FATHER SAID DANGERFIELD. >>ORLANDO GUDES: IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? IF ANY ONE OF MY AIDES CAN RUN DOWN AND MAKE SURE THERE'S NOBODY ELSE DOWN THERE SO WE CAN BRING THIS IN FOR A LANDING. >> THERE'S NOBODY HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU SO WERE GOING TO BRING THIS IN FOR A LANDING. IT'S LATE. AND WE HAVE A COUPLE MORE ITEMS BEFORE 4:00. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE TO PRESENT FOR THE PURE PROJECT TO MAKE SURE WE GET THROUGH ALL OF THE QUESTIONS. >>BRAD BAIRD: I WANT TO THANK COUNCIL FOR ALL THE TIME THAT YOU SPENT. WE APPRECIATE IT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER 7. MR. MORRISON. >>BRIAN MORRISON: ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY. I AM HERE ON ITEM NUMBER 7, WHICH IS TO DEFINE OUR WORKFORCE WORKERS, ESSENTIAL WORKERS, AND AFFORDABLE -- AS RELATES TO THE LAW AND TO THE CITY OF TAMPA HOUSING PROGRAMS. I WOULD LIKE TO RUN THROUGH THE CRITERIA THAT THE CITY AND STATE GOVERNMENT AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT USE FOR ELIGIBILITY IN THEIR VARIOUS HOUSING PROMISE AND THAT IS BY LOOKING AT INDIVIDUAL OR HOUSEHOLD INCOME, AND IT IS A PERCENTAGE OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME. THEY WILL BREAK IT DOWN WITH INTO THE VARIOUS BANDS WITH THAN THE 80% OF THE AREA INCOME BAND WHIC I WHAT THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT CALLS LOW INCOME. LOW INCOME OR LOWER ARE THE INCOME RANGES THAT ARE ELIGIBLE FOR THE GREATEST NUMBER OF PROGRAMS. ALMOST ALL FEDERAL PROGRAMS REQUIRE LOW OR LOWER INCOME, AND MANY OF THE STATE PROGRAMS DO AS WELL. AND THAT TAKES ME INTO THE DEFINITION OF WORKFORCE HOUSING. WE DO HAVE A STATUTE HEAR IN THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT DEFINES WORKFORCE HOUSING AS HOUSING THAT LOW INCOME OR BELOW. NOW, AFFORDABILITY WOULD BE THE NEXT TERM TO LOOK INTO AND THAT'S GOING TO BE THE PERCENTAGE OF THE INCOME THAT IS DEDICATED TO HOUSING. FOR HOUSING TO BE AFFORDABLE, IT MUST BE NO MORE THAN 30% OF THE INCOME, INCLUDING NOT JUST THE RENT OR THE MORTGAGE PAYMENTS BUT THE TAXES AND THE INCOME. 30% AT THE INCOME RANGE LOOKING INTO MAKING HOUSING AFFORDABLE FOR. FOR WORKFORCE HSING, AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING WOULD BE HOUSING WHERE THE MONTHLY RENT OR MORTGAGE TOGETHER WITH COSTS WOULD NOT BE MORE THAN 30% OF SOMEONE MAKING 80% OR LESS OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME. AND THAT IS ALSO DEFINED IN STATUTE BY FLORIDA LAW. THEN MOVING ONTO ESSENTIAL WORKER IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT. THIS IS NOT GENERALLY A TERM USED IN THE HOUSING, AND WE DON'T USE IT IN THE CITY, AND I WAS UNABLE TO FIND FEDERAL PROGRAMS THAT USE IT EITHER. BUT WE DO HAVE FEDERAL GUIDANCE ON WHAT THE TERMEANS WHICH COMES FROM THE CDC. NOW THEY USE THE TERM ESSENTIAL WORKER AS IT RELATES TO THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC. AND AS SUCH, THEY DO NOT LOOK AT INCOME TO BASE THIS ON BUT RATHER INDUSTRY SECTORS, AND BECAUSE OF THAT, THERE IS A WIDE RANGE OF PROFESSIONS THAT CAN QUALIFY. SOME THAT YOU WOULD THINK FOR KEEPING THINGS RUNNING LIKE FOOD PRODUCTION, DELIVERY, BUT ALSO DOCTORS, NURSES, JUST ABOUT ANYTHING YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT WOULD BE ESSENTIAL TO KEEP THE ECONOMY RUNNING DURING A PANDEMIC. NOW, THIS IS AN INTERIM LIST THAT THEY PUBLISHED, AND I THINK THE UNDERSTANDING HERE IS THE NEXT DISASTER THAT WE FACE, HOPEFULLY A LONG TIME FROM NOW, MAY NOT BE BASED ON CONTAGION OR DISEASE. IT COULD BE SOME OTHER EFFECT. AND IN THAT CASE, IS ESSENTIAL TO KEEPING OUR SOCIETY RUNNING. IT COULD BE A DIFFERENT SET OF INDUSTRY SECTORS. AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS THAT SOMETIMES PRITE DEVELOPERS MAY COME IN AND REPRESENT THE COUNCIL THAT THEY ARE MAKING AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, THOSE TERMS AREN'T BINDING AS THEY ARE WHEN THEY ARE USED BY GOVERNMENTS. SO WHEN A PRIVATE DEVELOPER CALLS SOMETHING AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT ACTUALLY LINES UP WITH HUD OR STATE REGULATIONS AS TO WHAT AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING CAN MEAN. AND FOR THIS BODY, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IFOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT A DEVELOPER REPRESENTING THIS TO YOU IS RESERVING CERTAIN UNITS TO BE AFFORDABLE, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER IS HOW WE CAN GET AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THAT DEVELOPER TO ESTABLISH THOSE UNITS. NOW, WHAT MAY ENTICE THEM TO ENTER INTO SUCH AN AGREEMENT COULD VARY WHETHER YOU ARE GIVING CERTAIN EXTRA CONSIDERATIONS, PERHAPS SOME FUND FUNDING IF WE HAVE IT AVAILABLE FOR THOSE UNITS, THROUGH A STATE OR FEDERAL PROGRAM, OR SOME OTHER MEANS BY WHICH THE CITY CLD GET THE DEVELOPER TO ENTER INTO A VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT THAT THEY WOULD RESERVE THESE AFFORDABILITY UNITS, AND THEN ONCE IT'S IN WRITING THEN IT BECOMES ENFORCEABLE. AND I AM HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. AND I BELIEVE WE MAY HAVE SOME STAFF. >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS. I APPRECIATE YOUR WORK. MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED SIR. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS ISSUE IN FRONT OF US. I THINK IT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. THESE TERMS GET THROWN AROUND, AND SOMETIMES ABUSE ESPECIALLY IN THE CONTEXT OF REZONINGS. AND ANOTHER LAND DEVELOPMENT MATTERS. BRIAN, WAS THINKING AS YOU SAID THIS THAT PERHAPS WE CAN BE A LITTLE MORE PROACTIVE, UNLESS WE HAVE ONE ALREADY, IS MAYBE LEGAL DEPARTMENT CAN DEVELOP SORT OF A TEMPLATE, SOME KIND OF TEMPLATE AGREEMENT IN ADVANCE, AND THEN THAT WAY, WHEN THE DEVELOPER COMES IN FRONT OF US WITH A REZONING AND USES THOSE TERMS, WE CAN SAY, WELL, HER IS OUR TEMPLATE, ARE YOU PREPARED TO ENTER INTO THIS, OR A SIMILAR TYPE OF AGREEMENT? THROUGH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WITH THE CITY? AND THEN THAT WAY, IT DOESN'T DELAY ANYTHING, AND IT'S KIND OF LIKE THIS IS OUR -- SORT OF SEND A MESSAGE THAT THIS WOULD BE OUR EXPECTATION. SO, ANYWAY, THROW THAT TO THE CITY ATTORNEY AND SEE WHAT YOU THINK. >>BRIAN MORRISON: I WILL DO THAT SIR. THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: BRIAN, YOU GAVE US SOME ANSWERS. AND CLARIFIED SOME THINGS FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC. AS MR. DINGFELDER SAID, AND LIKE I HAVE BEEN SAYING, WHEN PEOPLE COME SEE US IN OUR OFFICE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING. YOU DON'T HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. YOU HAVE SOME HOUSING. AND FOR MR. CHARLIE MIRANDA, OR MR. VIERA, IT MIGHT BE IN HIS CATEGORY. SO I THINK WE MIGHT FIND A WAY TO MAKE A POLICY WHILE YOU ARE HEREAITI FOR SOMEBODY, TO HAVE A COPY OF SOME INFORMATION I THINK WOULD BE BENEFICIAL IN HOUSING, GOOD FRIEND OF MAIN, OTHER PLAYS, AND GAVE ME ABOUT SIX DIFFERENT SUGGESTIONS ON HOW SIFT SECTOR DEVELOPERS CAN HELP IN THE HOUSING MARKET. I GOT SOME INFORMATION FOUR, AND I WANT YOU TO HEAR ABOUT THESE SIX DIFFERENT POINTS THAT COULD REALLY HELP WITH PRIVATE DEVELOPERS DEALING WITH A CRISIS, BECAUSE THEIR MAIN INTEREST IS TO MAKE MONEY, BUT ALSO THEY DO WANT TO HAVE A NICE PLACE FOR CERTAIN PEOPLE TO LIVE, WHETHER IT BE LUXURY OR BE A PLACE THAT SOMEONE CAN LATER -- BUT THEY DO HAVE SOME IDEAS ABOUT HOW THIS CITY, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT MAYBE TAX ABATEMENT OR THINGS LIKE THAT, TO WHERE THEY LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO DO IT BUT HOW DO I GET THIS EXTRA SUBSIDY TO REALLY DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING WHICH I CALL AFFORDABLE. MAYBE MR. DINGFELDER SAYS THAT'S AFFORDABLE. SO I HAVE SOME SUGGESTIONS HERE THAT I AM GOING TO HAVE SOMEBODY GIVE YOU A COPY OF, AND THAT WAY YOU CAN GET IT TO THE -- I AM NOT GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TODAY. I TRUST YOU. YOU ALWAYS DO WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO TELL ME TO DO, WHICH COULD BRING ANSWERS BACK TO ME. BUT ALSO ON AFFORDABLE HOUSE. GENTLEMEN, DID YOU KNOW THE CLERK SEND OUR REAL ESTATE DEPARTMENT NOTICES WHEN A HOUSE HAS CITY LIENS ON IT? YES. THE REAL ESTATE DEPARTMENT GETS A LETTER FROM THE -- MS. STATE-OF-THE-ART'S OFFICE, AND THEY HAVE THESE OPTIONS SO MY QUESTION, WHY ARE WE NOT GOING AFTER THESE HOUSES THAT BECOME DILAPIDATED IN THESE COMMUNITIES? HAVE THE CRA BUY THEM UP OR THE CITY, AND REHAB THESE HOUSES, AND HELP WITH SOME OF THESE CRISES SITUATIONS. SO AGAIN YOU ARE HERE. I AM NOT GOING TO MAKE A MOTION BECAUSE YOU ARE LISTENING, SO LOOK AND SEE WHY WE ARE NOT DOING THAT. I UNDERSTAND IT COULD BE A STAFFING PROBLEM. BUT I KNOW WE ARE UNDERSTAFFED IN A LOT OF THESE DEPARTMENTS. BUT AGAIN WE HAVE TO START LIKE WE TALKED THIS MORNING BUILDING A SPECIAL TEAM TO GO AFTER SOME OF THESE, TO HELP OUR CITIZENS. SO WHEN I WAS TOLD ABOUT THIS AND I SAW THIS, AND I DIDN'T CALL MS. STUART YET, BUT I WILL BE CALLING YOU, BECAUSE WHEN I SAW THE LETTER THAT SHE SENDS OUT TO MUNICIPALITIES, BECAUSE PEOPLE HAD CODE ENFORCEMENT LIENS ON THEIR PROPERTY ASSOCIATION MY QUESTION, IF THE PROPERTY HAS ALREADY BEEN AWARDED, HOW MUCH MONEY HAVE WE BEEN MAKING THE LAST TWO OR THREE YEARS, ACTUALLY BRINGING IN, IN REFERENCE THOSE LIENS? AND WHY ARE WE NOT TRYING TO HAVE OUR DEPARTMENT BUILD ON THESE HOUSES OR THESE LOTS? AND WE THAT INTO OUR HOUSING STOCK THAT WE START GOING OUT AGAIN, AN APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM, MR. VIERA, AND HAVE A PROGRAM THAT WE CAN HAVE THE JAILS AND THESE PLACES DO SOME TRAINING TO HELP WITH SOME OF THIS REHAB, AND LOOK AT OTHER NEEDS, OR MAKING THINGS WORK? LIKE MR. MIRANDA JUST SAID, WAS IT 100 FEET, MR. MIRANDA, TO THROW SOME MUD, WOULD COST $9,000. $9 THAT YOU TO PUT A SIDEWALK FROM HERE TO THERE. HUH? THAT'S CRAZY. I'M A BUSINESSMAN. YOU WATCH YOUR MONEY. WE HAVE TO WATCH OUR MONEY. WE HAVE GOT TO DO SOME THIS TO WATCH OUR MONEY. TO BE ABLE TO DO OTHER PROJECTS. SO IF YOU WILL GET ME SOME INFORMATION, BRIAN, AND COME BACK TO THIS BODY WITH WHAT I AM GOING TO GIVE YOU AND ALSO ABOUT THESE TAX LIENS, IT WOULD BE MOST APPRECIATIVE. YOU GIVE A LOT OF INFORMATION. A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT THAT WAS. THAT'S WHY I ASKED, TELL ME WHAT THAT MEANS. SO ANYBODY -- BUT AS DEFINED IS BASICALLY ANYBODY WITH CENTRAL NEEDS DURING A CRISIS. I THINK MR. DINGFELDER IS RIGHT. THE CITY OF TAMPA HAVING A POLICY WITH AFFORDABILITY THAT PEOPLE COME TO OUR OFFICE, AND WE NEED TO HAVE A POLICY TO SAY, NO, THAT DOESN'T FALL INTO OUR GUIDELINES. IT NEED TO FALL INTO OUR GUIDELINES. I THINK WE HAVE TO ESTABLISH SOMETHING, PUT A SYSTEM IN PLACE, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A SYST IN PLACE. SO IF YOU CAN COME BACK TO US SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. I KNOW YOU ARE A BUSY GUY. I LIKE THE WAY YOU WORK. YOU GIVE GOOD ANSWERS. AND YOU ARE ALWAYS THERE TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THINGS HAPPEN FOR THE CITIZENS. YOU WERE A GREAT HIRE. >>BRIAN MORRISON: I APPRECIATE THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN. IT'S VERY NICE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MAKE SURE THE CLERK GETS A COPY OF THIS AND MAKE SURE WE GET A COPY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?% ITEM NUMBER 8. >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SENIOR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY. COUNCIL MEMBERS, ITEM NUMBER 8 IS A REPORT IN RESPONSE TO YOUR MOTION BACK ON APRIL 15th IN WHICH YOU REQUESTED THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO LOOK INTO THE NEW ZONING ORDINANCE FROM THE CITY OF CHICAGO THAT ADDRESSED ANTI-CONVERSION, ANTI-DISPLACEMENT AND LOOK AT OTHER CITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY THAT HAVE TAKEN STEPS TO MITIGATE DISPLACEMENT THAT SOMETIMES OCCURS ALONG WITH GENTRIFICATION. SO I DID SUBMIT TO YOU A STAFF REPORT ON THAT. WE LOOKED AT THE CHICAGO ORDINANCE. CHICAGO ORDINANCE WAS CONCERNED WITH WHAT WAS OCCURRING IN TERS OF DISPLACEMENT THERE IN CHICAGO, WHICH WAS A LOSS OF DENSITY. SO THE ISSUE THAT THEY WERE EXPERIENCING IN CHICAGO WITH DEVELOPERS COMING IN AND TAKING SMALL UNIT APARTMENT BUILDINGS, TWO AND THREE-UNIT APARTMENT BUILDINGS AND CONVERTING THEM SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS OR REDUCING THE NUMBER OF UNITS IN THAT BUILDING. THEIR CONCERN WAS WITH MAINTAINING THE DENSITY IN THESE TWO SPECIFIC AREAS. AS DETAILED IN MY STAFF REPORT, CHICAGO ALSO UNDERTOOK AND IS TRYING OUT A SURCHARGE TAX FOR DEMOLITION, SO THE DEVELOPERS COMING IN AND EITHER NATURAL IRK A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME OR NATURAL IRK A SMALL UNIT APARTMENT BUILDING, DOESN'T HAVE TO P $5,000 PER UNIT IF THERE ARE THREE OR MORE UNITS IN THE BUILDING, AND IF IT'S A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME, THEN IT'S $15,000. THAT TAX IS CURRENTLY SUBJECT OF A LAWSUIT. THE LAWSUIT WAS FILED IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE ORDINANCE IMPOSING THAT SURCHARGE TAX WAS ADOPTED. SO NONE OF THESE ATTEMPTS AT MITIGATING DISPLACEMENT HAVE REALLY BEEN IN PLACE LONG ENOUGH TO DETERMINE WHAT EFFECT THEY ARE HAVING, IF THEY ARE DISPLACEMENT THAT YOU HAVE THAT CHICAGO IS EXPERIENCING. THE REPORT DOES ALSO DETAIL OTHER CITIES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY THAT I TOOK A LOOK AT. CHARLOTTE, NORTH CAROLINA, ATLANTA AUSTIN TEXAS PORTLAND, GONE, THAT HAVE TRIED OTHER DIFFERENT METHODS TO ADDRESS DISPLACEMENT THAT'S OCCURRING IN THEIR CITIES. FOR EXAMPLE, SOME OF THEM HAVE ADOPTED A PREFERENCE POLICY THAT ALLOWS RESIDENTS IN THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS INTERNING GENTRIFICATION AND DISPLACEMENT TO EITHER REMAIN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR HAVE FIRST CHOICE OF PREFERENCE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. OTHERS HAVE USED -- ATLANTA IS USING A HOUSING TRUST FUND IN ORDER TO ASSIST RESIDENTS IN AN AREA OF GENTRIFYING WHERE PROPERTY TAX RATES ARE RAISING TO UTILIZE FUND TO ASSIST THE RESIDENTS IN PAYING THEIR TAX BILL SO THEY ARE NOT DISPLACED BECAUSE OF UNPAID TAXES. AND THE SURVEY THAT I PICKED UP REALLY REVEALED IS FIRST OF ALL, THE COMMUNITY HAS TO DETMINE WHETHER GENTRIFICATION IS OCCURRING -- I'M SORRY, WHETHER DISPLACEMENT OCCURRING BECAUSE DISPLACEMENT DOESN'T ALWAYS FOLLOW THE GENTRIFICATION OCCURS, BUT IF IT'S OCCURRING, IT'S DETERMINED WHERE, WHAT SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOODS, DETERMINED HOW IT'S OCCURRING, IN ORDER TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ADDRESS IT AND HOW TO MITIGATE FOR THE. SO THAT WAS REALLY THE KIND OF OVERARCHING RESULT AND THE LESSONS THAT I GLEANED FROM THE SURVEY. I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT HAVE ON THE REPORT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON? >>BILL CARLSON: JUST A QUICK COMMENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR DOING THIS. I WOULD LOVE TO DIG DEEPER INTO THIS AT SOME POINT. AS FAR AS I KNOW, THE BIGGEST DISPLACEMENT THAT'S HAPPENED IN THE LAST 20 YEARS WAS NORTH BOULEVARD HOMES, AND THAT WAS TWO GOVERNMENT AGENCIES INCLUDING THE CITY OF TAMPA. AND THAT WAS A THOUSAND FAMILIES THAT GOT DISPLACED. AND I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I RAN FOR OFFICE WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T DON THAT KIND OF THING AGAIN. THE OTHER CITIES THAT I HAVE BEEN TO ON THE CHAMBER BENCHMARKING TRIP WE SEE FORDLE HOUSING BEING BUILT, BUT THEY BUILD NEW STOCK AND THEN TEAR DOWN OLD AS TO BE STOCK. BUT WE DIDN'T BUILD ANYTHING TO REPLACE IT. AS A RESULT, THERE'S A BIG ARGUMENT ABOUT THE NUMBERS. BUT THE NUMBERS I SAW WAR 70% OF THE PEOPLE LEFT THE CITY SO THAT EXACERBATES THE TRANSPORTATION PROBLEM OR THE SCHOOL ISSUES AND CREATES CONCENTRATION OF POVERTY IN PLACES LIKE BRANDON AND THE USF AREA. SO I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK VERY CAREFULLY ABOUT THE SOCIAL IMPLICATIONS OF THIS AND MAKE SURE WE DON'T ALLOW GOVERNMENT AGENCIES OR GOVERNMENT PARTNERS TO DO THAT AGAIN. THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MS. VELEZ, THANK YOU. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, AND THERE SEEMED SEEMS TO BE MORE PERFECT FIXES AT THE TIME. BUT I DON'T 2021 SAY WHAT WE CAN'T DO, BUT WHAT WE CAN DO. WE DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS IN THE CITY ABOUT GENTRIFICATION. I KNOW THAT'S WHY I KEEP SAYING WE HAVE GOT TO BUILD A SPECIAL TEAM AROUND SOME OF THESE SITUATIONS. THAT'S WHY I AM FIGHTING SO HARD TO GET HOUSING FOR MORE PEOPLE IN THE DEPARTMENT, WE NEED A SPECIALIZED TEAM TO HAMMER SOME OF THIS BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE STAFF TO DO A LOT OF THIS WORK. BUT WHAT I WOULD SAY IS WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, AND WE NEED TO LOOK AT HOW DO WE STOP THE -- FROM COMING INTO THESE COMMUNITIES. THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING. WE NEED DENSITY. WE NEED AFFORDABILITY WITH DENSITY ON THOSE MAJOR CORRIDORS. 15 STREET, 40thDA AVENUE, STREET, THOSE ARE MAJOR CORRIDORS, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY. DENSITY IS GOOD FOR THOSE AREAS. BUT LUXURY APARTMENTS, GOOD APARTMENTS, DECENT CONDOS. BUT DECENT LIVING THAT'S AFFORDABLE. LOOK AT SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT YOU MAY SEE, I AM GOING TO SUBMIT SOME IDEAS REFERENCE TO REHABBING AND DO SOME OTHER THINGS WITH DEVELOPERS THAT MAY BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH SOME OF THIS STUFF, BUT TO HAVE A PLAN TO MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT GENTRIFYING OR JUST TAKING A COMMUNITY, TOTALLY TRANSFORMING IT TO WHERE IT'S JUST NO MARKET THAT PEOPLE CAN'T LIVE IN IT. TALK ABOUT SOME PLACES, PROPERTY TAXES. MY HOME WAS VALUED AT $9,000, IT DOESN'T INCREASE THAT FAST, BUT OVER TIME IT WILL GO UP. SO I THINK LOOKING AT A PLAN, FOR T FUTURE, THAT WAY PEOPLE WON'T SAY WE ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING. SO IT DOES TAKE TIME, BUT AGAIN, WE HAVE GOT TO HAVE A TEAM TO START LOOKING TO BUILD THOSE BENCHMARKS SO WE CAN BE READY TO BE ABLE TO ADVOCATE FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK. I SEE ABBYE IS WRITING DOWN. BUT AGAIN, I THINK MOST OF THIS COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS WHAT THE PRIMARY GOAL HAS TO BE, AND HAS TO BE A HOUSING PLAN BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE CRISIS FOR THE COMING. WE HAVE GOT TO BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH IT. MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED SIR. MR. VIERA, DID I SEE YOUR HAND? MR. DINGFELDER FIRST. >>LUIS VIERA: I HAVE A POINT OF ORDER IF I MAY. I THINK WE ALSO HAVE A MORATORIUM. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE FOR THE 5:00 WHENEVER. >>ORLANDO GUDES: OH, YES. THIS IS THE LAST ONE WE HAVE. WE ARE CLOSING DOWN. RELAX. I GOT YOU. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, IN REGARD TO ITEM 8 AND HOUSING AND GENTRY FAKES, CLEARLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES FACING US AS A CITY, AND AS A COUNTY, AND AS A COMMUNITY, IS HOUSING AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING. ONE THING I DON'T -- WHEN IT COMES TO THE GENTRIFICATION ISSUE, ONE THING I DON'T REALLY AGREE WITH BASED UPON WHAT I HAVE READ, AND MY PEN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, IS I THINK THAT HOME OWNERSHIP IS A FANTASTIC THING FOR FOLKS WHO HAVE BEEN FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO OWN THEIR OWN HOME. FANNED THEY OWN THEIR OWN HOME IN A AN AREA WHERE THE PROPERTY VALUES ARE RISING, THEN THEIR PROPERTY IS RISING, THEIR FAMILY'S NET WORTH IS INCREASING, AND I THINK THAT'S A POSITIVE THING FOR EVERYBODY. YOU CAN BORROW AGAINSTOUT HOUSE, SEND YOUR CHILDREN TO COLLEGE OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO.% OR YOU CAN SELL YOUR HOUSE AND MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE AND YOUR HOUSE IS PROBABLY QUADRUPLED IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YRS. SO I THINK THAT THAT PART OF GENTRIFICATION IS A POSITIVE THING, BUT ALSO WHEN IT COMES TO TAXES, THE STATE OF FLORIDA, FOR BETTER OR WORSE, HAS LIMITED TAX INCREASES TO 3% PER YEAR FOR HOUSEHOLD. SO AS LONG AS YOU DON'T GIVE UP THAT HOMESTEAD, YOU ARE PROTECTED, AND IT'S ONLY GOING TO INCREASE 3% NO MATTER HOW BIG THAT HOUSE IS NEXT DOOR. AND WE ALL KNOW THAT I'M PREACHING TO THE CHOIR. BUT THE ONE THING THAT WE DO HAVE FOCUS ON IS RENTAL HOUSING AND RENTAL PRAISES, BECAUSE IN CERTAIN PARTS OF TOWN WHERE FOLKS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO LIVE COMFORTABLY LET'S SAY 5 OR $600 A MONTH FOR A FAMILY OF FOUR, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I KNOW THEY ARE LOOKING AT $1,000, $1200. DEFINITELY COULD BE DOUBLED WHAT THEY USED TO PAY. AND THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO FORCE PEOPLE OUT. SO I THINK, YES, IT'S A WONDERFUL FOR THING US TO FOCUS SOME OF OURFFOR ON GETTING PEOPLE INTO NEW HOMES, AND HELPING MIDDLE CLASS GET INTO HOMES THAT THEY CAN OWN. BUT I THINK THE REALLY MORE URGENT ISSUE IS FOCUSING OUR ATTENTION, FOCUSING ON WHAT LITTLE MONEY WE HAVE ON THIS RENTAL CRISIS. AND HOW WE DO THAT IS ANOTHER DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER DAY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, I WOULD AGREE, BECAUSE I SAID BEFORE, NOT EVERYBODY IS READY TO BE A HOMEOWNER. EVERYONE IS NOT. BECAUSE A HOME IS A LOT OF RESPONSIBILITY F.SOMETHING BREAKS YOU HAVE TO HAVE MONEY TO FIX IT. SO I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT. BUT I THINK THE PROBLEM YOU HAVE, A LOT OF MODERN CONVENIENCES, IS EDUCATION FOR FOLKS TO UNDERSTAND. BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS, HE CAN'T FIX THAT HOUSE, HAD HE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO, HE FEELS SELLS THE HOUSE FOR QUICK CASH AND HE'S GONE. THAT'S WHY I SAY WE HAVE TO FOCUS ON THE EXISTING STOCK THAT WE HAVE, BUT THE EXISTING STOCK WE HAVE TO BE AEO HELP THOSE FOLKS OUT WITH REHABBING THOSE HOMES, TO BE STAY IN THOSE HOMES. THAT'S WHY I AM GLAD MY GOOD FRIEND BRIAN TOLD -- TO BE ABLE TO HELP IN THAT REHAB PROGRAM AND HE'S GOING TO PASS THAT ON TO ABBYE BECAUSE THESE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS YOU HAVE TO HAVE TO KEEP PEOPLE IN THEIR HOMES. YOU CAN'T HAVE A BLOCK OF HOMES WITH A BRAND NEW HOUSE ON IT BE AND THE REST OF THE STREET LOOKS LIKE GARBAGE. PERIOD. SO THAT'S THE BIG FOCUS. EVEN SOME OF THOSE LANDLORDS WHO ARE STRUGGLING TOO, THEY LET SOMEBODY THERE JUST TO MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY TAX BUT THEY CAN'T FIX IT THEMSELVES. SO WE HAVE GOT TO HAVE A PROCESS FOR THEM AS WELL TO BE ABLE TO HELP EVERYBODY. THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE GOT TO HAVE SOME DIFFERENT IDEAS, SOME DIFFERENT FUNDING. THERE'S NOT SUFFICIENT FUNDING TO HELP SOME OF THESE PEOPLE. BECAUSE AGAIN WHEN YOU GET A BRAND NEW SUIT, YOU LOOK GOOD, YOU SMELL GOOD. BUT IF I A DOWN -- THE SAME THING TODAY, I HAVE -- I THINK MR. CARLSON MENTIONED. YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >>BILL CARLSON: I YOU WANT TO QUICKLY AMPLIFY WHAT YOU ARE SAY BEING MANY THINGS BUT IN PARTICULAR ABOUT INTERVENTION IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR. PRIVATE SECTOR HAS EXPERTISE, HAS THE ABILITY TO HAVE ACCESS TO GRANT FUNDING NATIONALLY AND STATE WIDE. THEY HAVE STAFF SO THEY CAN MOVE QUICKLY, AND ALSO THEY HAVE INNOVATION. AND IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT -- I THINK WE NEED TO THINK DIERENY AUT THIS WHEN YOU HAVE BIG GOALS AND THE NUMBER OF HOUSING THAT WE BRING, BUT THEN WE NEED TO THINK SMALLER ABOUT THEM, THE POCKETS OF CONTRACTS AND DEALS THAT WE DO AND SPREAD IT OUT. AND THE PRIVATE SECTOR DOESN'T ONLY INCLUDE FOR-PROFITS, IT INCLUDES NON-FOR-PROFITS LIKE HABITAT AND GRACE POINT. TO MAKE A POINT, SOMEONE I KNEW MOVED INTO GRACE POINTED A COUPLE WEEKS AGO AND I WENT BY THERE, AND THE BRAND NEW UNIT, BEAUTIFUL FACILITIES, GREAT AMENITIES, BETTER THAN MOST APARTMENTS, AND IT'S LIKE 650 A NTH. AND THEY ARE ABLE TO BRING -- IT'S A NONPROFIT, WORKING FOR PROFIT, AND THE GOVERNMENT, END THAT BRING IN OTHER SERVICES TO PROVIDE THINGS LIKE DISHES AND FURNITURE. AND THE MORE THAT WE CAN LEVERAGE THE LIMITED MONEY AND STAFF TIME WE HAVE TO LEVERAGE WHAT THE COMMUNITY HAS, AND PUSH FOR INNOVATION AND EQUALITY AND TO SOME EXTENT COMPETITION, I THINK WE ARE GOING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM FASTER AND PROVIDE A BETTER EXPERIENCE FOR OUR RESIDENTS. THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE ELSE? >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY. AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT COLLABORATIO FIRS WOULD LIKE TO S COUNCIL ACTING AS THE CRB FOR PURCHASING THE OLD ARMY NAVY DOWNTOWN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE WORKFORCE HOUSING DOWNTOWN. BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO JOIN FORCES NOT ONLY WITH HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, MAKING SURE TRANSPORTATION SO THAT WE CAN -- (LOST AUDIO) -- [NO ENCODER] THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE ELSE? MS. VELEZ, THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPORT. STELLAR JOB AS USUAL. KEEP YOUR FOOT ON THE PEDAL AND KEEP THIS THING MOVING, ALL RIGHT? THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THE LAST ITEM OF THE DAY, ITEM NUMBER 10. >>CAROLE POST: CAN YOU HEAR ME? >>ORLANDO GUDES: THERE SHE IS, CAROLE POST. >>CAROLE POST: I WANT TO ADDRESS ITEM 10. I JUST WANT TO REFLECT ON THE HEARING, THE CONVERSATION YOU JUST HAD ABOUT HOUSING. WAND RECOGNIZE THAT MANY OF THE IDEAS THAT YOU SUGGESTED ARE BEING LOOKED INTO AND EXPLORED AND APPRECIATE THE INPUT ON THAT. I THINK THERE'S MORE TO COME THERE. THANK YOU, THOUGH. ON ITEM NUMBER 10, THIS ITEM IS UP FOR WORKSHOP TODAY. I KNOW WE ARE VERY TIGHT ON TIME S RAPIDLY. THIS IS THE INTERIM DEVELOPMENT CONTROL ONTO WHICH HAS BEEN BEFORE CITY COUNCIL SEVERAL TIMES FEBRUARY ORIGINALLY INITIATED BACK IN DECEMBER OF 2020. ON MAY 6, THE COUNCIL CONSIDERED A VERSION OF THE ORDINANCE, AND AGAIN REFLECTING THE STRICT USE OF THE F.A.R. PROVISION CITY-WIDE FOR SINGLE USE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND THREE DESIGNATED LAND USE CATEGORIES. AT THAT MEETING ON THE 6th, COUNCIL REQUESTED STAFF TO RERN T TS WORKSHOP AND TO EXPLORE LIMITING THE APPLICATION OF THAT ORDINANCE BY EXCLUDING PARCELS THAT ARE LOCATED WITHIN A QUARTER MILE WALKING DISTANCE FROM A TRANSIT EMPHASIS CORRIDOR. AND THAT'S DEFINED BY A COMP PLAN THAT WAS NOTED POLICY 5.1.9. RANDY GOERS WILL GIVE YOU A REALLY QUICK OVERVIEW OF WHAT HIS RESEARCH REVEALED ABOUT THAT, A SHORT PRESENTATION. BEFORE HE DOES, I WOULD LIKE TO UPDATE YOU AND THE COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU ARE VERY INTERESTED IN THIS, ON E PGRESS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT. THERE HAS BEEN A MOTION SINCE APRIL 1st RELATIVE TO THIS MATTER. WE CALL IT THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT, WOULD BE THE PERMANENT CHANGE TO USE THE F.A.R. IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS, AND IT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN. AS THAT PROCESS IS UNDERWAY, IT SESSIONS, AND THE CONCEPT OF EXCLUDING TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS IS PART OF THAT DISCUSSION. IT WILL BE AN ACTIV PAROF THE FINAL ASSESSMENT. WE BELIEVE IT DOES MAKE SENSE TO ENSURE THAT THE PERMANENT COMP PLAN AMENDMENT IS SENSITIVE TO THE RELATIONSHIP AROUND DENSIT WHERE WE WOULD WANT TO MANAGE DENSITY VERSUS WHERE WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE IT. THAT COMP PLAN AMENDMENT IS ACTUALLY TRACKING -- IT IS TARGETED TO BE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL FOR TRANSMITTAL ON SEPTEMBER 30th. SO RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER. SO THE DISCUSSION TODAY CAN CERTAINLY HELP FURTHER DIALOGUE ABOUT COMP PLAN AMENDMENT AND JUST CLARIFYING FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WILL BE LISTENING IN, TODAY THERE IS NO ACTION, THERE'S NO VOTE ON THIS MATTER. THIS IS JUST A WORKSHOP ITEM. SO I WILL TURN IT OVER QUICKLY TO RANDY, LET HIM SHARE SOME OF HIS IS A ASSESSMENT ABOUT THE PROPOSAL ON THE TRANSIT CORRIDOR PROXIMITY, AND I AM HAPPY TO TAKE ANY DISCUSSIONS. >>RANDY GOERS: IF I COULD SHARE MY SCREEN. YOU HAVE MY PRESENTATION ON THE SCREEN? I WILL GO THROUGH IT QUICKLY. THIS IS JUST A SUMMARY OF THE MOTION THAT WAS MADE AT THE WORKSHOP. JUST ONE ITEM FOR ORDER, THE MOTION REFERENCE POLICY 5 .1.9 IN THE COMP PLAN. THE REFERENCE FOR THE CORRIDOR IS ACTUALLY IN THE PREAMBLE FOR GOAL 6 FUNDING, WANTED FOR THE RECORD TO MAKE CLEAR THAT THE POLICY THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FALLS INTO GOAL 6, NOT 5.1.9. THE PRESENTATION INCLUDES THE GOALS, FOR THOSE WHO RECEIVED THE PRESENTATION REFERENCE BACK TO THE POLICY PERTAINING TO THE CORRIDORS. ON THE LEFT IS THE LAND USE CATEU 60, ON THE RIGHT IS THE MIXED USE CORRIDORS, THE ONE QUARTER MILE BUFFER FOR THE MIXED USE CORRIDORS REFERENCED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IN THE NEXT SLIDE WE SHOW THE PLAN, THE PARCELS, BECAUSE THE PARCELS THAT HAVE THE DESIGNATION OF CMU-35, 60, WHICH ARE INSIDE THE BUFFER. UNDER THIS PROPOSAL IT COULD BE THE PARCELS THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED TOSE THE F.A.R. FOR SINGLE USE RESIDENTIAL, ON THE RIGHT IN SHOWS IN READ THE PARCELS THAT WOULD FALLEN SIDE THE BUFFER. ZOOMING IN SHOWS THE PATTERNS OF WHAT'S INSIDE THE BUFFER, WHAT'S OUTSIDE THE BUFFER. YOU SEE THAT THERE'S QUITE A FEW PARCELS THAT ARE ALONG ROADS THAT ARE OUTSIDE THE MIXED USE CORRIDOR. QUITE A FEW THAT ARE INSIDE THE CORRIDOR. WHEN YOU LOOK INTO THE CENTRAL AREA AGAIN, YOU HAVE THE SAME SORT OF PATTERN, SOME INSIDE, SOME OUTSIDE, WE START SEEING A LITTLE BIT OF THE PROVISION AT THE UPPER RIGHT, THE PARCEL THERE SPLIT, SOME OF IT IS OUTSIDE THE CORRIDOR, SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO ADDRESS. THE SOUTH TAMPA AREA AGAIN, WHAT'S IN THE CORRIDOR, WHAT'S OUTSIDE, WHAT WAS MENTIONED DURING THE PUBLIC HEARINGS IN THE PAST. A COUPLE OF PROVISIONS AGAIN THAT ARE SHOWING UP AS SPLIT PARCEL HERE, SHOWING THAT THE PLAN IS IN THE OUTSIDE CORRIDOR. BUT THEN AGAIN WE TALK ABOUT ON THE SURFACE, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S IN THE CORRIDOR, BUT IT'S NOT. THE PARCEL AT RATTLESNAKE POINT IS ONE MILE WALKING DISTANCE, WALK ALL THE WAY AROUND BRIDGE STREET AND THEN COME BACK TO THE INSIDE THE AREA BASED ON THE DEFINITION. SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT ALL OF THESE PATTERNS, WE SORT OF PICKED UP THE CORRIDORS, REDUCE THE IMPACT OF THE F.A.R. DESIGNATION. OBVIOUSLY A LOT HAPPENED IN THE CORRIDORS. HOWEVER, WHEN YOU LOOKED AT THE PATTERNS, WHAT WE SAW, CREATE COMPLICATED FOR THE APPLICANT WITH PROPERTY OWNERS, STAFF CAN DEFINITIVELY DETERMINE WHICH PARCELS ARE IN AND WHICH PARCELS ARE OUTSIDE OF THE CORRIDOR. MIXED USE CORRIDOR. IT WOULD REQUIRE THE PRORTY OWNER TO BE ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE WHICH ONES ARE IN THE CORRIDOR. THERE ARE ALSO PARCELS THAT ARE SPLIT, ONES THAT I IDENTIFIED WERE VISIBLE ON OUR MAPS, BETTER SPLIT. BUT PROPERTY OWNER WOULD ALSO CONFIRM THAT WE RECOMMEND AT LEAST 50% OF THE SITE INSIDE THE CORRIDOR TO QUALIF FOR THE EXEMPTION. SO THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD HAVE TO AGAIN CONFIRM THAT SITUATION. WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT, YOU WILL SEE IT AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT HOW BEST TO MANAGE F.A.R., WE ARE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE DENSITY% SUPPORT TRANSIT, ALTHOUGH THE RESULTANT PATTERN IS A LITTLE COMPLICATED, WITH SOME OF THE OTHER TOOLS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AS PART OF THE OVERALL COMP PLAN AMENDMENT. AS CAROL MENTIONED IT'S COMING BEFORE COUNCIL IN NOVEMBER. SO WITH THAT, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED SIR. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, CAROLE AND RANDY. I APPRECIATE THAT. YOU KNOW, BACK IN MAY, CLEARLY I WAS PITCHING PRETTY HARD FOR US TO PUT IN INTERIM DEVELOPMENT CONTROL ORDINANCE. I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT. BUT THE VOTES WEREN'T NECESSARILY THERE, SO WE JUST CARRIED IT OVER TO TODAY. I'M REALLY PLEASED THAT YOU GUYS ARE WORKING VERY HARD ON THE ALTERNATIVE, WHICH IS A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT THAT HOPEFULLY WILL BE ADOPTING THIS FALL. MY ONLY REQUEST AT THIS POINT, CAROLE, AND YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST, IN OTHER CONTEXTS, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET A DRAFT EARLIER THAN THAT, THAT DATE THAT YOU WANT US TO -- THAT WE ARE SCHEDULED TO VOTE ON IT. SO I WOULD SUGGEST, LOOKING AT OUR CALENDAR, WE HAVE A REGULAR MEETING SEPTEMBER 2nd, AND MAYBE YOU CAN JUST PRESENT A DRAFT TO US, A FIVE-MINUTE STAFF REPORT, DRAFT TO US, YOU KNOW, ON THAT DATE, AND THEN THAT WAY WE CAN USE THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER TO GIVE YOU OUR FEEDBACK INDIVIDUALLY BASED UPON A DRAFT. IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE RANDY ALMOST HAS A DRAFT AT THIS POINT. BUT WE'LL GIVE YOU GUYS THE REST OF THE SUMMER TO MASSAGE THAT, AND I WILL LEAVE IT TO YOUR DISCRETION TO GO AHEAD AND BRING THAT BACK WHEN IT'S READY. BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO TRY AND GIVE US A MONTH OF SEPTEMBER TO MASSAGE IT. >>CAROLE POST: I THINK THAT WOULD WORK FINE. WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO BRING THAT BACK AND USE THAT ADDITIONAL TIME TO GET THE INPUT FROM COUNCIL AND ALSO TO REFLECT ON THE INPUT WE RECEIVED IN THE SUMMER IN THE VARIOOUCH POINTS THAT ALREADY HAVE BUILT IN. I APPRECIATE THAT. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE GOT ON THAT. AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK YOU ALL HAVE BEEN PUTTING INTO IT. THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE ELSE? MRS. >>CATE WELLS, I SEE YOU BACK THERE. ANYTHING? OKAY GENTLEMEN. WE HAVE SOME ITEMS THAT I AM GOING TO PUT OFF THIS EVENING, A RESOLUTION TO BRING FORTH TO YOU, AND ALSO THE TRIM CALENDAR. MR. SHELBY. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CAROLE, I THINK WE ARE DONE WITH YOUR ITEM. POST. >> CHAIR, MAY I CLARIFY? MR. DINGFELDER, WE ARE NOT PROCEEDING TO BRING A CONTROLLED ORDINANCE BACK FOR ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION TO COUNCIL? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT SEEMED TO BE THE INCLINATION OF COUNCIL BACK IN MAY AND I DON'T SEE ANYBODY JUMPING UP AND DOWN TODAY. SO I AM NOT GOING TO MAKE A MOTION BUT I WILL JUST LET IT DRIFT AWAY AND WE'LL SEE YOU IN SEPTEMBER, I THINK. IS THAT WHAT THE SONG SAID? >>CAROLE POST: THANK YOU. >>BILL CLSON: WE ALSO HEARD PUBLIC COMMENT THIS MORNING, WE HEARD FROM NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS INDIVIDUALLY THAT IT'S TOO LATE, IF WE WOULD DO THIS WE SHOULD HAVE DONE IT A WHILE BACK. AND SO THEY SEEM TO BE OKAY WITH US NOT MOVING FORWARD ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM. THE OTHER THING, DON'T FORGET, WE ARE GOING TO PUT ON IN SEPTEMBER, WE STILL HAVE I THINK IN NOVEMBER A SEPARATE MOTION WHICH WAS TO LOOK AT SOMETHING SOUTH OF GANDY IN PARTICULAR. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANOTHER THING ON THE CALENDAR. THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO THREW OUT THE WORD MORATORIUM AND ESPECIALLY DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY. WHEN THEY THREW OUT THE MORATORIUM THEY CRITICIZED US FOR PUSHING A MORATORIUM AND SCARING DEVELOPERS, AND INVESTORS NATIONALLY. BUT THEY ARE THE ONES THAT DID THAT. THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY IRONICALLY IS THE ONE THAT PUSHED THIS WORD MORATORIUM. I SUGGEST IF WE GET INTO A CONVERSATION LIKE THIS NEXT TIME THAT THE FOLKS DON'T PUSH A WORD THAT COULD POTENTIALLY HURT INVESTMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE NONE OF US WANT TO DO THAT. AND USING A WORD LIKE THAT, THAT HURTSNVESENT, TO FIGHT SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T WANT IS NOT A GOOD IDEA. THANK YOU. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ONLY POTENTIALLY FUEL THE FLAMES. >>BILL CARLSON: AND INVESTORS, I TALK TO INVESTORS, THEY SAW IT. AND WHEN YOU RUN AN ARTICLE CRYING ABOUT A MORATORIUM, THEY ARE GOING TO SEE IT. THEY DIDN'T SEE IT BEFORE THOSE OP-EDS RAN. IT'S NOT JUST TO SCARE US. IT'S SCARING INVESTORS IS NOT A GOOD IDEA. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, GENTLEMEN. I AM NOT GOING TO TAKE ANY MOTIONS AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME. WE'LL DO IT THIS EVENING. MR. SHELBY, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR. >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST A CLARIFICATION WITH THE CLERK GOING BACK TO THIS MORNING'S MEETING ABOUT THE CMT. THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION AS TO WHETHER IT'S GOING TO COME BACK TONIGHT FOR DISCUSSION. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM A CLARIFICATION OF THE MOTION, IF THE EXECUTIVE ORDERS CONTINUE, IT'S GOING TO BE CONTINUING UNDER THE EMERGENCY RULES. IF IT DOES EXPIRE, IT'S COUNCIL'S INTENTION TO STILL CONTINUE ON JULY 15th AS LONG AS IT FEES FIT WITH THE CMT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE ARE NOT DISCUSSING ANYTHING ABOUT THAT TONIGHT. WE MADE CLEAR THIS MORNING, WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO, IF THE ORDER FIRST, WE WILL CONTINUE UNTIL THE 15th AND TAKE IT UP AT THAT TIME. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT'S WHAT I NEED TO FIND OUT REQUEST THE CLERK. ARE YOU CLEAR? >> SO THE MOTION THAT WAS MADE THIS MORNING BY COUNCILMEMBER DINGFELDER IS GOING TO BE JUST TAKE THAT OFF? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHAT WAS THE LAST THING YOU NED. >>THE CLERK: ARE WE GOING TO REMOVE THAT FROM THE SUMMARY? I HAVE A SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER VIERA FOR THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO LOOK INTO MODIFYING RULES AND PROCEDURES ON A TEMPORARY BASIS IN REGARDS TO THE CMT. AND THAT WAS TO BE DISCUSSED AT THE EVENING SESSION. >>ORLANDO GUDES: NO, TAKE THAT OFF. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IT WOULD BE MODIFIED TO CARRY OVER TO JULY 15th INSTEAD OF TONIGHT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU HAVE TO HAVE TIME TO DEAL WITH IT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY MR. MIRANDA. SECOND BY MR. CITRO. >>MARTIN SHELBY: ONE LAST THING BEFORE YOU TAKE A BREAK, YOU HAVE MOTIONS TONIGHT. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE DIDN'T TAKE A VOTE ON THAT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: OH, I'M SORRY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOCKS BY MR. MIRANDA. SECOND BY MR. CITRO. ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. >>MARTIN SHELBY: FORGIVE ME. I'M SORRY, COUNCIL. JUST A REMAINDER. I HAVE BEEN REMINDED THAT ON JULY 157, YOU HAVE 22 SECOND READINGS, TWO REVIEW HEARINGS, AND FIVE STAFF REPORTS. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY MOTIONS THAT YOU PLAN ON MAKING TONIGHT, PLEASE CONSIR ANOTHER DATE THAN JULY 15th. THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE ARE ADJOURNED.