of the akatio district council member joyce clark of the yucca district council member ray malnor of the saguaro district council member lauren thomachoff of the choia district and council member bart turner of the barrel district thank you for your interest in our glendale city council workshop [Music] all right good afternoon welcome glendale city council workshop session december 14 2021 meeting is called to order we have all of our council here and present so i will not do a roll call if you'll take note of that miss power also if you'd introduce item number one for us we'll get started here thank you glendale growth scorecard well good afternoon mayor members of the council i was thinking this morning that there was a time early on in my educational career that um talking about my report card publicly would have brought a lot of anxiety to myself fortunately as i got a little bit better student over the years that was less anxiety but today we're going to talk about a scorecard that i think will be anything but provide anxiety and so with that i want to turn over to brian friedman he'll introduce sarah and we'll get on with the presentation your mic there you go good afternoon mayor and council pleasure to be here to my right i'm joined by miss sarah murley principal with applied economics we are very fortunate to have her company this afternoon she's been working with the city of glendale for over 25 years and has a very unique view of our community she handles our modeling systems citywide for economic development she handles all of our annexation reports as well as our end user fiscal analysis reports and she joined us on the six series journey with the loop 303 special workshops i know she's excited to give the presentation today so with that i'll turn it over to miss murley good afternoon mayor and council thank you so much for the opportunity to come here today and talk about this economic growth scorecard as brian mentioned i have come before this group before to talk about fiscal impacts of specific projects and annexation areas and i continue to work on the physical modeling for each of the annexation areas and so i've i've seen what has happened over a long period of time on sort of a project by project basis but this analysis has given me the opportunity to sort of zoom out and see how all of these things have cumulatively really transformed the city put you in a whole different place than you were five to seven years ago and so we're going to look at a number of different data points here and looking at both history and future information comparing always to the county just to provide some context for where you stand and also to other cities and understanding not only how these socioeconomic factors tell a story but also how the policy actions that the council has taken over the past five or so years have really manifested in terms of the level of domain activity and improve fiscal sustainability and a number of other measures so the topic areas we're going to look at today include population jobs housing balance labor force growth a variety of measures of fiscal sustainability development activity and then how that transforms into built space inventory at the present time the pipeline of projects in glendale is is enormous and uh really you are in a position to become a growth leader not only in the west valley but in the entire region and so we're gonna look at some data that that really describes in more detail what has been happening so first of all i just want to talk about population since 2010 glendale's added about 21 000 residents with a little more than half of that growth occurring after 2015. um in part although interestingly your your share of county population has actually dropped a little bit in part that may be due to the fact that the west valley recovered a little bit later from the great recession than the east valley but in part and in part it may be due to the fact that maricopa county is the second largest growing county in the united states since 2010 behind harris county which is houston texas in terms of absolute growth so it has been an extraordinary time in maricopa county also but mainly i wanted to point out that the city has been really intentional in focusing on economic growth focusing on job creation and limiting your residential focus more to developing workforce housing to support that economic development and also supporting infill and strategic growth in the loop 101 and loop 303 corridors and so it's it's not really surprising it's intentional in fact that population growth has been a little more moderate than other types of economic growth one of the ways that we can look at the balance between jobs and employment is looking at jobs per capita and so in 2010 glendale had a ratio of 0.31 so that means for every resident in glendale there were 0.31 jobs or for every three people there was one job turning it upside down and since that time in 10 years the ratio increased to 0.4 which is a pretty dramatic jump in that time period especially for a city the size of glendale and so that puts you in the top five cities um along with really job-centric places like tempe scottsdale and chandler and by 2050 and really honestly likely much before that glendale is projected to reach 0.51 which is 0.5 is sort of the magic really balanced between mix between employment and population it doesn't need to be a one-to-one ratio there are people who are retired there are children there are other people that are not needing jobs but 0.5 is just generally nationally considered to be quite balanced and you'll notice that glendale is the only city in the west valley that is in that top five next i want to talk a little bit about labor force and commuting so there's two ways to look at employment you can look at employment by place of work so where is your business that you work or employment by place of residence so you are a person who works where do you live and the number of employed residents people who have a job live in glendale work potentially in glendale potentially somewhere else is estimated at about 119 000 according to maricopa association of governments whereas the number of jobs where the business is located in glendale is about 11 400. so still the number of employed residents is a little bit greater than the number of jobs in the city interestingly about 21 percent of glendale residents who work work in the city 58 of them work in the city of phoenix which is not unusual this is a very um tightly connected economic region and so commuting is very common um you know you're not that far from the border with phoenix so it's it's not that unusual in terms of where people who work in glendale live about 29 of them also live in the city another 25 percent live in phoenix and likely as the employment opportunities particularly in the loop 303 corridor increase i would certainly expect that the share of people who both live and work in glendale would also increase switching topics a little bit to talk about fiscal sustainability and the first thing that i wanted to talk about is sales tax so sales tax is the largest source of unrestricted revenues for glendale and for almost all other cities as well and just looking at glendale's growth over time since 2005 on a per capita basis sales tax collections have increased from 462 dollars per resident to 735 dollars per resident and i have adjusted those figures for inflation so that is a very substantial increase and it's not really so much due to population growth it's due to increases in the number of retail establishments in the city of that time we can also look at a breakdown of sales by category and so the graph below isn't all of the categories selected categories but we are comparing in this case to gilbert in the east valley in peoria in the west valley so these cities are similar in size not exactly pure is a little smaller gilbert's a little bigger relative to glendale so by looking at per capita numbers we can normalize for those population differences also because these cities all have different sales tax rates we're looking at taxable sales as opposed to sales tax collections so glendale is a little behind the other cities in terms of per capita restaurant collections which is largely again tied back to population growth restaurants tend to cluster in areas with a lot of housing growth which hasn't necessarily been glendale's goal at all over the last five to seven years however glendale is ahead of these other cities in terms of construction in terms of leasing taxes which is a manifestation of the amount of non-residential growth and also substantially ahead in terms of hotel and amusements and i would certainly expect that as crystal lagoon is completed and go is you know up and running that that will significantly increase the hotel and amusement collections and also restaurants although in that case those restaurants are really focused on visitor demand much more so than local demand so looking more broadly at all general fund revenues over the past 10 years journal fund revenues have increased by about 40 about 62 million dollars and um on a per capita basis adjusted for inflation uh from about 765 dollars per resident in 2010 to 972 in 2020 and what that means really is that um the city not only is in a more sustainable position but can also enhance the quality of services it provides and um catch up on some of the deferred infrastructure investment that perhaps wasn't possible in in previous years but really your your situation has dramatically improved even just in the past five years in terms of general fund revenues and that growth has significantly exceeded the growth in population for example also looking at one-time revenues and this includes this does not include construction sales tax but here i'm looking at planning and permitting fees so building permits plan check fees engineering fees things like that and also development impact fees which are not part of the general fund but nonetheless you can see they're really dramatic year over year increases especially between 2020 and 2021 yeah can you hold them we have a question for you yeah i just want to ask ask a question on the revenues does this include carers and arpa up funding the reason why we i'm sorry mayor and council um the reason why we only showed up to fiscal year 20 is because fiscal year 21 does include a significant amount of cares funding and because that's non-recurring it sort of skews the information and so well there may be a small amount in fiscal year 20 i don't believe most of that funding made its way out in fiscal year 20. there's money your microphone is not on care we did not receive cares money in fiscal year 20. i thought all of the care's money was distributed in 20. i just wanted to know if this is literally just business being done at the city or if it includes you know the one-time revenue includes um comes somebody the answer mr camacho good afternoon mayor members of the council we did receive cares funding in fiscal year 2020 and if you recall we used part of that to to use for public safety salaries and benefits expense and then it freed up fund balance in the general fund if the numbers depicted in the slide here are purely revenues then it would exclude the cares fund because it would have freed up fund balance you good okay thank you you're good yeah all right thank you good thank you looking specifically at planning and permitting fees so you can see a dramatic increase between fiscal year 20 and fiscal year 21. just based on the first quarter of fiscal year 22 if activity is continuing at the same rate that could put you at potentially close to 43 million in planning and permitting fees and and development impact fees um in fiscal year 22 so above uh even the dramatic increase in 2021. the next thing i wanted to look at in terms of fiscal topics is bonded debt and so this is another really important measure of fiscal sustainability and um i know many of you were part of the council in 2014 when the city's bond rating was standard poor's dot dropped to triple b and and created a challenging situation the council acted strategically and swiftly to constrain spending and to focus on economic development to grow your revenue base and within two years the bond rating was increased to a plus and subsequently again in 2020 to double a which is really a dramatic turnaround in a relatively short period of time that translates directly into taxpayer savings in terms of lower interest rates and also not just that your rating has improved but the level of bonded debt has dramatically decreased by about 50 over the last 10 years so um puts you in a much better position strategically to move forward to make selected infrastructure investments that will support future growth shifting topic is a little bit i want to talk about land use and so leading into some conversations about development activities so this data is for the municipal planning area which is larger than the city boundaries but does include annexation areas out in the loop 303 corridor and so this is data compiled by maricopa association of governments and they take the general plans from each of the cities and look at the different land use categories and put them into a uniform set of categories and in the first pie chart that represents existing land use anything that is already built will show up in the in the category that the land use that it would fall under and you can see that about a third of the land is either vacant or open space or agriculture in the future pie chart that is the scenario where everything that is available for development has been built out and so you'll see there's just a much smaller amount of um open space and agriculture but no vacant land because that's the nature of the build-out scenario the most interesting thing about this is really the change between existing and future so you'll notice uh and this is 2019 data but residential development was about 40 of of the land use in glendale the majority of that its family whereas commercial and industrial development was about 21 looking at the future residential increases by about nine percent of the total or about 4 900 acres and keep in mind this is in the municipal planning area and i would expect that only a small portion of that growth and residential development would be inside the city whereas the commercial and industrial and mixed use combined increases from 21 to 39 of the total so dramatically greater growth about 10 300 acres of new commercial and industrial development so dramatically more growth in non-residential categories than residential categories which really supports fiscal sustainability for the city and i would expect that the vast majority of that non-residential growth would be in the city or would be annexed into the city so much of what is happening in terms of the change between existing and future land use and a lot of the development that's occurring has been in annexation areas since 2015 the city has completed 17 annexations encompassing almost 3 900 acres the majority of that has been in the loop 303 corridor there are six active annexations that have not yet been approved that account for about 736 acres the city when it established its strategy for annexation one of the key points was to preserve the land around luke air force base to prevent development around the base that would encroach on the base and you know potentially hamper its future and so the city has been really successful there has been an unprecedented amount of manufacturing and distribution growth in the area around there which is an entirely appropriate growth type of growth around the base and has allowed the city to both support luke air force base and also to accommodate economic development significant economic development interestingly a lot of these developments these annexation areas are now at the point where they are voluntarily coming into the city they would not be required to come into the city but because even though the development costs may be higher because of the attractiveness of being into glendale they are now coming voluntarily to annex which is a really enviable position to be and it's just a lot about the type of city that glendale has become this next slide just to demonstrate that these annexations are not just future plans but are actual buildings there are 22 buildings currently that are in the foundation stage or or greater most of which have one or more future tenants already lined up 16 of those buildings have walls up or are further along and six of those buildings are complete and occupied with tenants and these are all annexations that have occurred in the last five years of course that means there's a huge amount of construction activity going on in the city an estimated 14.1 million square feet of space had been permitted in the calendar year of 2021 as of october which is a 56 increase over the level of activity just in the previous calendar year in 2020 that amount of square footage could support approximately 12 000 to 16 000 jobs depending on the specific type of users and the density but that's a dramatic increase in job growth and also there a significant amount of multi-family development which certainly is a trend that is occurring region-wide but the real highlight here is the amount of industrial development about 12.6 million of that 14.1 million square feet is industrial space in the loop 303 corridor mayor go ahead thank you uh thank you so is there a uh rule of thumb when you reach the appropriate saturation point of multi-family or is there you know as it how it fits with the community especially um with you know workforce housing and that sort of thing i mean you don't want to there's got to be a balance somewhere so is there a rule of thumb with that well mayor and council thank you for asking that question because interestingly that level of job growth and that level of housing growth would move you from a jobs housing balance of 0.4 dow to 0.45 by 2022-2023 so while it is the case that glendale may provide housing for people that work in other cities and and vice versa um in terms of crediting jobs for people that live in other cities i would say that achieving a jobs housing balance or a jobs per capita i'm sorry balance of 0.5 is is really the rule and whether that's single family development or multi-family development that's sort of a different question about whether the value of housing is well matched with the type of jobs that you have and we did not particularly look at that but i would say that given the amount of jobs that you're creating it is appropriate that you would be building higher density multi-family development proximate to those jobs and i you're still in a range where that kind of housing is is still needed based on the projected job growth if i could add a little bit to what you just said that that formula is complicated in this area because we have so many other cities that are also building homes and also adding more jobs it's it's nothing that we can just take what glendale itself is doing we've got to take in the entire region as a whole correct mayor and council that is absolutely correct but it certainly in my opinion from a fiscal perspective much better to be the city that's providing the majority of the jobs than the city that's providing the majority of the housing i think all of us would agree on that it's not is it not now okay and and i'm not sure the question that council member thomas posed was actually answered and and if there is no formula i wonder if it would be appropriate for council to create some kind of policy with regard to what kind of ratio we would like to see of multi-family versus single-family residential so is there a recognized economic formula of what would be a good ratio of single-family housing versus multi-family is it like two single-family houses to every one multi-family unit i mean is there a formula mayor and council i don't have a number off the top of my head and i i will tell you that regionally we have seen the share of multi-family versus single-family inventory shift pretty significantly even over the past five years so i think to some extent you need to view it in the context of this region that number might be totally different in a place like new york or san francisco but um i am happy to look into that question with regard to any information that maricopa association of governments might have because they are really the agency that monitors that on a regional basis uh mayor if i could continue this might be a topic for future council discussion uh i recognize and support the need for density in and around the westgate zone arrow area and that may require an even separate discussion from our discussion but i think there should be and council should recognize some kind of policy as as to what kind of community in the future we want to be and and i think that developing some kind of ratio of multi-family residential is part of that discussion so i would i would ask the city manager that perhaps we could bring that up in the future thank you thank you mayor yeah just uh kind of ask that question a little differently um speaking to an economic development standpoint is there a devaluation of of multi-family homes versus single-family homes mayor and council i i'm not sure i entirely understand the question but i will tell you that um there are two things there's certainly a trend in the market right now toward rentals in fact as you may be aware there are a number of developments in phoenix that are billed to rent so new single-family perhaps attached perhaps detached housing that is specifically built as rental housing and of course you know along with a lot of just typical multi-family housing the housing because it is rented does generate a ongoing flow of sales tax revenues that owner-occupied housing does not generate i would also say that a lot of the new multi-family housing tends to be higher value housing and so perhaps different than people's traditional perception of what multi-family growth might look like so i'm not sure if that answers your question about devaluation it does thank you okay uh thank you mayor uh very interesting discussion on the multi-family issue and and i too would be interested in seeing where do we stand compared to peer cities um here in the valley well i've always thought we should have some peer cities outside the valley too but certainly across the valley the ratio of our single-family doorbells to our multi-family doorbells for instance so that would be worth seeing given glendale's having been surrounded by our neighboring cities and become landlocked over time even though we had a large planning area most of that being inside the either already developed as little farmettes out in the far west or being within the loop planting area we've known i think for a long time that our population growth was going to flatten and probably at some point virtually stop and it feels like we're getting quite close to that we do not have much in the way of single-family development left available we do have some opportunities for the multi-family so we'll explore that but i'm also interested in this other development these this job-related development that we're seeing in the western area that you were talking about i think we need to start getting a handle as a council on where we are in that growth pattern you know how much of that pie has already been parceled out what do we have to look at are we 20 of the way through the available land that we have out there are we 50 of the way through you know i think we need to have a sense of not just how much we've done in the last five years but we need to know where along that path we are these one-time revenues for instance will not continue forever and neither will the general fund revenue growth based on the continuing revenues down the road so we need to know what our in essence what our trajectory is so i'd like to see some information presented to us in the future about that thank you thank you based on the 2019 data there is about 10 300 acres of developable commercial mixed use or industrial land in the municipal planning area now some of that since 2019 has been annexed and is under development but as of the last time mag updated their regional projections that was the amount of developable non-residential land that they were assuming calling henry ford so moving on to um industrial and office inventory which is obviously the manifestation of all of this construction activity as of 2020 september 2021 according to costar glendale had 15.8 million square feet of industrial space about 5.7 million square feet of office space and 500 000 square feet of flex space interestingly just about exactly a third of that industrial space was added between 2016 and 2021 and with the amount of space currently permitted which is about 14.1 million that would close to double glendale's industrial inventory just in the next approximately 18 months depending on the speed of construction so that is a really um a dramatic transformation in the level of growth that is occurring in glendale versus other parts of of the region in according to collier's the brokerage in their quarter two report for 2021 there were 19.2 million square feet of industrial space under construction in the whole region 40 of that was in the glendale submarket so that is really staggering good question for you thank you mayor do you have any debt on the absorption rate of this industrial space mayor councilmember uh we only have of the 22 buildings or foundations that are that are laid now 16 with walls up or or a roof only six of them have a ten that are able to occupy at this point so of the six they're all occupied okay uh mayor if i could so are we uh you know basically region in the west region where this is happening you know basically it's just kind of following along the 303. um are is it are we and i've done i've done some reading of the absorption rate industrial basically valley even in the east valley and it seems that they're it seems that they're it's pretty it's it's pretty high rate of absorption of these buildings that there's a lot of demand and that you build it they will come it's kind of how it's been working um so i just i'm curious about that actual number though because i i don't think we want to end up with a whole bunch of empty industrial buildings out there either so i'm mayor councilman if i can just to help the council feel better about that yesterday we were at a lunch with a prominent broker and on the average building there were nine offers submitted for a single building he gets to choose between the nine and the larger stressor point was how to maintain the relationships with all these other high dollar end users or corporations that they have long-term relationships with nationwide and how to manage um not disenfranchising themselves to end users that they want to maintain a very long-term relationship with and it is they're under the point of it's it's stressful for them to manage selecting the end user that they'd like to select of the nine and how to how they are going to go about doing that with the owner who owns the building and so there are nine is a staggering number to have for a single building in glendale and that was as of yesterday for a single as an example thank you mr friedman um i guess i turned it off okay um so and that's that's really interesting so in a situation like that obviously as a city we would say okay which of these is going to generate sales tax and we want you to pick that one so i mean how does that exactly work well mayor councilmember that's a very good question yes we do think that um and so we through our relationships try to explain things to them like the work with ms murley about how cities generate revenue we're out there explaining that as if we've all had the chance to work together for a very different amount of time and so we very delicately through our relationship with them let them know we prefer manufacturing we prefer high dollar ad advanced manufacturing type jobs this is why this is what it does for our community this is what allows for the general fund collections which our council then pours back into opportunities for citizens through increased parks wrecks services amenities and so they know very directly what the city would like to see and then so we of course in america leave it in their hands to select but we do our best to our relationships with them to have them hopefully select what's in the best interest of not only their landowner but for the city we go as far as to say that if it's no never mind and there's nine of them and one of them earns three times more for the city than another option we would certainly appreciate the the one that does that on behalf of the citizens of our stakeholders okay mayor if i had one more question so would it be safe to say that it's it's typical that these are that that they don't have a user when they i mean obviously if you know like for example amazon has been infamous around the country to say well who's going to give us you know the most and that's where we're going to go um so when you don't have a user you're kind of at a little bit of a disadvantage because you don't whether you should should you know i mean if you want to offer incentives or things like that then if you don't know whether there's going to be you know revenue generated or what what what the possibilities would be you're kind of playing a guessing game mayor and council i i did want to add that while there is certainly risk with speculative development and not knowing when you build it who your users will be um also another trend that we're seeing in glendale is related to speculative builders tax so when you build a building and you do not intend to be the end user yourself you pay construction sales tax on the materials you know when the building is built but to the extent that that building is sold within a specific period of time of 18 months could be 12 i could be wrong but in any case to the extent that that building increases in value which is happening right now not just in glendale but all over the valley there's an additional speculative builders tax on the final sale price so there is an upside to having that speculative development from a fiscal perspective all right and i just wanted to say one thing and then i'm going to have mr phelps speak also it's not just what the city wants but if i'm an investor and i'm putting millions and millions of dollars into something i'm going to look at that potential renter as somebody that's got a good credit history that has a strong business background those type of things is what as an investor as a property owner i'm going to be looking for to protect my investment so when you combination of working with the city and also my interest as a developer i think that's where most of them are going to go i don't think anybody can afford to spend millions of dollars to leave a building center vacant mr phelps statement yes uh mayor uh councilmember tom job thanks for bringing this issue up it's actually one we have quite a bit of conversation around and i would start with the premise that first of all uh relationships are so critical to what we do and how we approach economic development here in the city and there have been numerous times just in the last two years where we are where developers come to us and say we're thinking about this type of end user what will what would potentially be the city of glendale's response and i can name several come to mind where we said we would be less than excited to have this end user and a lot of things we're paying close attention to are not only just the number of jobs because we we kind of kind of discouraged one large project that had a lot of jobs but we're barely over the minimum wage threshold and had very minimal benefits and we don't think that adds value to our community and so we really focus in on what is the average payroll going to be what kind of benefits do they do you know what kind of training opportunities they provide and so that relationship and the trust that we've developed in that relationship allows us to be really quite frankly honest with what we do now a lot of them have entitlements and we can't say no to that and that's the value of the relationship is because they value working with the city so closely that even though they know they legally might could do a project if we indicate that we don't think this is the type of of a development that we think meets the council's uh vision they have have almost every time have backed off of that and gone a different direction and i and so then as we put together our incentive package we don't offer incentives to every project that comes in but those that do demonstrate a a large amount of jobs per square foot of building those that offer good benefits along with family sustaining wages we do come in and encourage those and that's been a successful formula really for our econ development team so i appreciate the question because really it's at the crux of it's one thing just to have an annexation policy it's really about building then around a strategy for how we wind up with the kinds of projects that we want to do and i'll just end with this a great example and no offense to those companies that need to use large data centers but we've been very cold shoulder on data centers high power consumption in some cases high water consumption and low number of jobs per square foot and uh and so by and large we've uh we've seen a lot of those projects go in other areas so uh brian and his team and randy they're really zeroed in on what what the values the council has really extolled which is let's go after the kind of jobs that really raise the the standard of living for our residents and that have room for growth that have benefits and and then try to discourage those projects that are just you know are just there and can really be anywhere thank you thank you this last slide is really a summary of all the topics we have talked about and some additional topics that are covered in the report and you will see the lines in orange with the three plus signs are the areas in which glendale has really exceeded the region including general fund revenues per capita bonded debt permit activity and non-residential inventory growth but in all cases glendale has generally at least kept up with the county which is honestly nothing to sneeze at given the level of growth and activity that has occurred in maricopa county over the past five to seven years the level of construction activity and related revenues and amount of increase in square feet and ultimately jobs in glendale has been really transformational putting you in an entirely different place i believe in terms of your competitive position within the metro area and within the larger region a couple of other examples of of some transformational changes that have happened there have been three new luxury auto dealerships uh at 101 and beardsley in 2020 and 2021. um of course crystal lagoons is going to be a transformational kind of development a destination tourism development that will bring a lot of new visitors to glendale and and their spending with them and i think all of these illustrations that we've talked about today are really make it evident that the policies that the council has put in place with regard to annexation with regard to fiscal sustainability have served to have been effective and have served to diversify the mix of office and industrial users to support job growth all while continuing to provide quality services to existing businesses and residents increasing the amount of funding available to do that and also the city's executive leadership has been careful striking a balance between the amount of housing growth and the amount of employment-related development supporting increased densities in in strategic areas along transportation corridors in the loop 101 and loop 303 area and also focusing on infill in order to all of these things allow you to leverage existing infrastructure capacity which is a more efficient way to approach development certainly the city has dramatically freed up its finances in terms of reducing bonded debt which puts you in an excellent position for the future really overall it's it's been a very positive story and i think that this growth while growth at this rate is not going to continue forever the nature of non-residential growth that you're having certainly sets you up for a balanced sustainable situation in the future and also puts you in a in a strong competitive position from an economic development perspective mayor first of all i want to thank sarah and brian and the rest of staff for when they say it and i know i'm going to refer to it over the coming months exclusively a lot of times this is a good news story for glendale and i would like glendale to create some publicity around this good news story i we don't we don't toot our horn enough sometimes and i think just in terms of job creation the reduction in in indebtedness on bonds these are two major stories in and of themselves so i would certainly encourage staff to look at at how they can take elements of this report and disseminate the information more widely and and not just valley-wide but targeting our residents so that our residents are aware of of what a strong position glendale is in regionally and throughout the country thank you yep thank you thank you mr berg can i just wrap up just a couple quick items just again i think this needs to be re-emphasized that um first of all in my experience most cities if you were to call up and ask them for their strategic priorities almost every city that i've ever come across lists econ development as a priority and yet we all know that that's it means different things to different cities and i i think i hope that the council understands the importance that good econ development starts with good public policy and it's this body that provided that consensus to the staff to move forward we started about 48 months ago with some annexation policy workshops and from there the council was able to come together and reach a real strong consensus about how we should move forward and so first what i want to say is it was really it always starts with having good public policy and none of this would have happened without the direction from this this council and you should take i think a certain amount of pride in in the direction uh that you've taken it from being a concept but started to work on it second is good public policy requires good implementation and i will say i think we have the number one economic development team in the region i'm not saying that as because it's our team um as yule brenner once said for those of you who are old enough you used to say no brag just fact and it is a fact our team does a lot but you've also over the last three or four years provided funding and support to the econ development team and allowed us to kind of get in a position to be able to do what we've done third i hope you heard what sarah said that if our measurement for success is population growth this report is probably disappointing to you if however the council's uh is you know where they want to be at is looking at job growth quality of jobs and private investment in our area this report really is something you should be very proud of because that's exactly what's there so i really think that that you know i like the way sarah has shifted this from we need to be prepared that one day we may not be i think at one time glendale was maybe fourth largest in in the region i think we're maybe seventh now you know great if we're tenth maybe down the road as long as we then on the fourth takeaway is this jobs per capita ratio i want to reemphasize something that sarah said earlier is when you get to the 0.50 jobs per capita that is the that's really the benchmark for being considered a major job center in a region not just here in arizona but any part of the united states if you get to that ratio of 0.5 jobs per capita you are considered a major job center and i believe the trajectory that we are on and where we are going uh we are going to we are going to achieve that uh sooner rather than later and far faster than what the current uh projections from mag are showing just because they they're they're just this lagging effect of all these projects are coming in so again i just i just wanna then i wanna end with this while we've had such great success and econ development has driven this based on the council direction it really has been a team approach because none of this happens if we don't have people in our planning department that are doing all the annexations and approving all the plans our building safety team that goes out and has to do the inspection our fire inspection program our transportation and are figuring out how we have to support these developments our engineering department our water division all of these departments in your city have been clearly on board as a team supporting this initiative and i and again i think it would be unfair to them to only say that you know that it was the it was brian and randy and jesse and and that on our econ development team this started with you and and i i again wanna i just think you should feel really good about the direction you've given we've had tremendous implementation from the econ development team and then we have surrounded and really put together a very vertically integrated approach to how we do this so again good uh like with councilman clark we've been looking forward to releasing this report card to the council we are working on strategies for how we will communicate this uh publicly you know it's it's hard you know i mean you know i know we need to do that i think we sometimes get so focused on just moving forward to the next project that we sometimes miss those opportunities and we'll make sure that uh brent and his team in working with laurie and economic development that will make sure we get those out uh and disseminated but thank you sir mayor i have one quick question a follow-up of uh mr phelps so um the the one i actually you know it's the only thing on this last slide that we're underperforming in is uh household income level and so um obviously the jobs help but i mean we've got to be able to make the connection to the especially the parts of our city the people who you know maybe need a little bit more help getting um educated that you know whatever they need to be able to get the jobs but what is generally speaking the lag time between getting to you know 0.4.5 per capita jobs and bringing up that we've been looking at this you know since i've been on this council is that our our household income levels are are low compared to some of our neighboring cities so council member members of council councilmember thomas again another great uh issue that we have been talking about internally is that that connectivity of our citizens to those jobs what's nice is the vast majority of jobs that we're seeing are in our are north of the 45 000 per year range in fact almost all the new ones recently are actually getting closer to 50 recognizing that only four or five years ago our household income was barely over the 50. so one the first thing starts with having good jobs available i think what you brought up is really important and something that we'll go back and start talking about is as all these jobs start coming online what can we be doing to communicate to our citizens that a these jobs are available and b if you need additional skill sets or training what can we do in working with our community college system our different universities here in the area to get them trained up and i think that's a great goal and expectation and i think as a from a public policy standpoint i i think that i would really encourage us to kind of focus on that and really take full advantage of these jobs that are being created awesome thank you we're good all right good job thank you miss bower would you like to go ahead and introduce item number two city hall complex update mayor members of the council we have a little bit of a team approach uh today on this next presentation and like the economic development report uh that has literally been um you know months and months in the making uh our presentation today is similar and the where we're at today has been revolving around a tremendous amount of work being done kind of behind the scenes so we're very excited to um to discuss uh the you know the future of our city hall complex here in downtown and so with that we'll start off with our field our director of operation field operations michelle watenko and then she'll introduce her team thank you mr phelps and yes as uh as kevin just explained this was this is a team effort and we're um hopefully you can see the presentation here so uh we've actually expanded this a little bit we're now gonna call this the downtown campus reinvestment project it's it's a little bit more than a city hall and it has taken a team to get here so with me today i've got darren frank who is our deputy director he runs all the facilities within the city now and next to him is eddie garcia our principal architect in the engineering department this this is not the team this is just people that are representing the team i think everybody that works in city hall has been part of this effort to date the team includes jim burke who represents public facilities parks we can't talk about the campus without how do we get to city hall and so of course we're talking murphy park in there jesse peterson has been a huge um component of this and she's pulled other members in from economic development to go through this as well to help us determine how we uh help them um john sheed meta when we start talking about you know a one-stop shop or how we serve people we pulled in uh the development services the planning team to be part of that and then lissette camacho who's got a part of this presentation as well her team you know that the customer service center on the first floor has just been huge but it's been every department there's been internal workshops we've taken over to see other facilities find out what works what doesn't work and what you're going to see today kind of is that that culmination of of this effort so the presentation today we're going to go through and cover the background and really this is the why you know why are we doing this um aspirations is going to show you kind of what we can do and this is the what and then we're going to talk the how so continuity of operations is extremely important our mission of the city is to improve the lives of the people we serve every day and we can't do that if we stop serving them so we spend a lot of effort into how do we not only continue to serve the people but we improve it and we improve it through construction and we then improve it in the end as well and then we'll go you know the timeline and the funding we can't um end without discussing what the costs of this project are this is really as i just said the the project is gone from city hall we're now talking the downtown campus so that's our project today the why mr phelps just talked a little bit about the special counsel workshops where you developed the philosophy on annexation we did the same with with buildings we talked about a building asset philosophy and really that's just an essential tool to help us achieve organizational excellence through continuous improvement and this is the why why we do what we do and we we always look back to we improve the lives of the people we serve every day but really we want to be that community of choice we want to help economic development and right now you know city hall impedes business when we talked about you know what we want to do we want to really elevate our brand we say through our buildings who glendale is and what we represent this is a slide from our strategic plan our intended strategic results of our community our residents should be proud of the community businesses should want to invest in the community and employees are valued by the community part of this is intentional improvements can yield tangible results and buildings reflect the character and values of the community so we looked at this we realized that city hall impedes that and so we wanted to address it as part of these workshops which we started september of 2017 we went through early 2020 we developed our philosophy around buildings we talked the different tiers mission critical business critical support and council put a tremendous effort into this and i really want to thank you for that we determined the attributes of a business critical building and i want to point that out because we determined the city hall is really a business critical that's a building that contains vital activities devices services and if failure happens the business could suffer financial legal but more really reputational and other damages and penalties when we did this council asked questions we looked at business critical is this is where people come and interact with the city this represents the city and when we did that we determined that the look and feel was a critical component of this building so any building that fits in this business critical as building is a the look and feels and finishes are important from that just just over a year ago 53 weeks or so we went on a tour of sky harbor stronghold 3. um the smith group was part of that and they're part of this team and they're they're still with us today so you'll see some drawings and depictions that they helped us with you know the picture there the sky harbor turtle through prior to modernization built in that mid 1980s very similar time frame to city hall very similar architectural style i call it neo brutalism the idea back then in the mid 80s was to show that you were strong and robust and that's what the building was to represent it was an intentional design little windows worked really well in the desert when windows weren't very efficient but doesn't work today and we then looked at it after they'd modernized it and they added the new windows they opened it up and i think this really represents what we want to do at city hall it's we're not a big um sturdy strong structure we're open and we're transparent i think that's the image we want to get across we talked a lot about glendale's character and culture and this was the past 18 months and what we want to do is embrace the past learn from it but also take it and incorporate it while we plan for the future and really this is about us taking our heritage and our history and using it and growing with it and improving upon it then we looked at a potential future and this was you know kind of our our potential what we could do so if you look at the picture of city hall today um you know very similar to sky harbor terminal 3 prior built in the mid mid-1980s neo brutalism style few windows but you also think about you know the technology back in the mid 80s when we we built this everybody right now has a a laptop an ipad a computer we're all connected somehow the mid 80s we didn't have any of this so it's not just the exterior facing part of the building it's it's the bones of it it's the interior the building was not wired and set up for these things so you can talk to our human resources department that sits in the basement of city hall extremely poor cell phone reception because it is a concrete bunker type structure when we did discuss this with council in december 2020 talked about our opportunity we did get consensus to just take this the next step and determine what we could do with that we came back with these are we call them our aspirational drivers these are the five things we wanted to we wanted to achieve the first one there is reimagine the downtown campus as the heart of the community you know i've heard some rumors that you know maybe city hall is moving maybe we're going out west and really i think this is uh investment in our downtown is just a very strong statement that we're here to stay and and it really it is the heart of the community and that's the way it should be viewed and should be taken care of then we looked at you know to reinvent the amphitheater to become a destination and emphasize a destination it should be a place where people want to come and want to then you'll be part of the community there consolidating service to the community in one stop shop was very important to us the council member tom chough brought this up as a council item of special interest we did some improvements on the first floor but we're not ending there we look really looked at you know it's almost though we don't want to call it a one-stop shop because we don't want you to stop we just want you to keep keep going we want we want to help you i think while we did that building asset philosophy we talked about the person that came in you know with their building plans and it was their dream you know they're funding their dream and we sent them to three different floors so many different times we impeded the way they did business we don't want to do that so we really want to talk about how we serve the community better we want a building that facilitates that we want to create a state-of-the-art workplace environment i think we struggle with retention and attraction and i think the building is a statement to potential new employees on we're investing in them as well and again as i just spoke about with with technology you know we want to build for the future you know our city hall today has that that 1984 technology uh the amphitheater today built built in the mid 1980s lighting's horrible the sound system is non-existent and you know the setup and takedown for each event just takes a phenomenal amount of time it's difficult to attract people to that and then we want to look at you know reinvent and reflect the existing building facades today our building says we're old we're dated and that's not who we are and that's not what we want to reflect so really we took these aspirational drivers we spent last year going through this and i want to turn it over to eddie garcia he's our architect and he speaks this a lot better than i do and he'll walk you through where we are in the project today thank you michelle i think we're on we're on is that better good thank you michelle good afternoon mayor and council we're very excited about this stage of where we are in our process right now and the next series of slides that we're going to focus on really start to dive into the attributes of each of these aspirational goals as it manifests itself not in one particular individual building and we can talk in details of that of course but this how it effects reflects these goals of the overall campus itself so you know really when you look at these five drivers that michelle just outlined um it really comes down to one of the most unique opportunities we have at this point in time with the city especially after what we heard just a few moments ago about our growth this is a great opportunity to think about a next bold move for us and what these aspirations are outlining is really a transformative goal altogether so not just both physically but it's planning and to do that we have to take a much more holistic approach so rather than treating the the city hall tower by itself or the parking structure by itself from a cip standpoint we're looking at the entire campus itself and how well it can be integrated if you take a look from 10 000 feet above and this is where we are today it's always a great place to start is where do you have what are the opportunities what bones are good where are the opportunities to grow from when you look at the campus itself today you can sort of see three or four different programs right in front of you one obviously is murphy park and the library connected to each other so in the circulation it supports that but almost independently of city hall the chambers the amphitheater and the parking structure so when you look at the when you look at the image from above it's almost it's almost hard to see where the amphitheater fits in itself is it integrated with murphy is it is it part of the actual city hall structures itself and at the same time if you look even more closer you can see that it's just sort of divided city hall is kind of on the west side of the property and murphy park and library on the east side of the property and there lies what we think is a challenge and opportunity we don't see the integration today that it can be so we see an opportunity to help improve the wayfinding experience when patrons come you know how do they cross the street do they cross where the d cell lane is when people are the first time coming into the city where do they go where's the front door to the city hall complex how do they navigate themselves to chambers for a big meeting in events and at the same time you look at the park itself the circulation although albeit at a time when it fit a time and place for the how it served the park each of these areas around the perimeter of the library are pockets within themselves so there's opportunities to utilize that land in a much more active manner and at the same time to also look at the the the trees that we have today some of them are not doing so well about half of them are doing okay some are diseased and their canopies have suffered over time primarily due to the irrigation systems over the years age and a few other things that are you know environmentally impactful that are affecting the park today aspirationally though this is where the opportunity comes in we do have an opportunity to unify the entire campus together an approach that we see is to create several zones using murphy park as the catalyst to do that and we i will go into more detail later in the presentation about murphy park itself but you can see that there's a concerted effort amongst the team to look at pedestrian corridors that are activated that take you through the entire site not necessarily around vilma library by itself but using the entire site and creating those destination and focal point whether it's city hall entrance the amphitheater council chambers and so there's various zones that we're looking at there's an active zone there's a flexible zone with the green areas to the east of velma library and then to the north more botanical organic educational uh opportunity zone and then immediately around velma tig library the opportunity to have more educational focused activities to support the function there so one thing to keep in mind when we see campus like this you know these are public facilities and although they're gonna be a main entrance we will discover more and more about how that will work in the design phase but there are multiple front doors that we need to consider in a campus lab so it's not just one interest to velma there's possibly a second or third same thing with the amphitheater chambers and council or excuse me city hall itself so this is the framework that's setting up for all the components that we see are part of this project part of this re-infrastructure of the campus itself so this next series of slides that you're going to see are representative of the components themselves i'd like to keep in mind here that this is not an actual design at this moment this is just an aspirational idea of the opportunities when we work with our design consultant during this process um to get us excited about what we have and what we can improve upon so you'll notice that the buildings themselves these are not throwaways we're going to really take an opportunity here to invest in our property and look at the opportunities that the bones of the buildings give us and we think they're pretty good okay so from just for orientation purposes this is how we've broken down each of the components and we'll talk to them in greater detail so we've identified them as the parking structure itself moving from left to right that is city hall the amphitheater council chambers and murphy park and velma library is a key part of murphing park but for the moment we're seeing is murphy park as the unifiers talk a little bit more about that these are the components of our project the big driver of course is city hall the tower itself the opportunity here is that we actually have a pretty unique footprint of a building it's relatively narrow so it's about 80 feet wide it's about 200 feet long give or take um yes we talked about the sort of the brutalness nature if you will of the fenestration the architecture itself it somewhat turns its back onto both the park and a little bit of glenn more so on glendale avenue but the opportunity here is to is to update the skin in its entirety so we would replace the cementitious stucco skin that you see now and most likely as you see depicted in the diagram of how the components can be removed is to look at the profile of the building overall and really focus on the program in the building inside and have that reflect as part of our brand and we want to be moving forward programmatically we're looking at to michelle's point earlier a one-stop shop approach this will be on the ground floor we think it's a unique opportunity to link the breezeway between city tower and council chambers and grab that square footage back and utilize it as our main point of meet and greet if you will with our citizens and people that are going to be coming to city hall for business we want to update the building as life safety functions all together modernize all the systems to the degree we can that includes expanding the restroom core and then most significantly i think in terms of its form is is taking a look at the roof um it has been problematic over the years it's been tough to maintain it's tough to get access to it to be honest um so the opportunity here is to potentially see it as a flat roof or at least a different form that's much more accessible and maintainable and potentially opportunities to put other things on top of the roof necessary so from an image standpoint we're talking about bringing in materialities that is that is different from a cementitious stucco potentially metal and glass aluminum glass really looking at the fenestration to take advantage of transparency in light so that when i show you some additional slides you can see how we see that more glazing and transparency will help with daylighting and on the floors um creating these apertures that that really focus on the city itself versus turning its back on glendale um taking advantage of first floor square footage across not just between city hall and council chambers but including uh to the south side underneath the shade structure or at least the overhang that we have with the building footprint capture that space we have 17 feet to play with in height and imagine if we had more transparency from the road to see that so now it's becoming more of a front door a window if you will into our world as well as the city and we can take advantage of even mechanical enclosures for either branding opportunities from the city or even potentially art elements that can be part of the fabric itself the key here is that the building is going to set up the vocabulary for everything else that happens it's a great opportunity so here's a little bit of the story of linking the two buildings together from one stop shop approach the idea here is that we would capture the space where you currently see the elevator and the stairs right now in between we would move those outboard to the roadway or just just to the west edge here and this would be essentially currently we see this as the new front door if you will opportunity for self-service to have you could triage and or you know have um some cross training where people or our staff are meet and greeting customers or citizens one-to-one the folks can come in pay utilities much more face-to-face service if you will an opportunity to meet with their plan reviewer basically to organize all the needs from a one-stop approach and then afterwards if there needs to be direction to a different floor or direction to a different department this is where that would be triage but essentially we would capture that square footage back it's roughly about 5 000 square feet even the potential to have some pre-function gallery space before you walk into chambers moving upstairs you know again you know architecture the fenestration wants to reflect programmatically and um this is an opportunity to think about the workplace today and beyond and its flexibility needs i think all of us experience this to a different degree but the opportunity here is to is to focus on on having more flexible office systems on the perimeter including different kinds of touchdown spaces depending on the workload or depending on what activities need to take place but and have the central core being more of the hard walled office or programmatic areas whether it be a conference space cafe area and so forth so the point is to provide a diversity of spaces that allows different activities to be either from a private standpoint solo office standpoint collaboration standpoint and flexibility for future needs down the road i mentioned earlier that the the floor plates roughly 80 feet wide great opportunity to bring light in both sides right now there's the the the offices that we have today are on the perimeter and it kind of blocks light coming in even though there's some side lights that allow light to come through but nothing like we would have if we were able to open up the floor and secondly you'll notice that the big planning move is to is to eliminate the central corridor which is we refer to it as a double loaded corridor there's no daylight in it at all today there's some gallery space to it we can hang things on it but essentially it's double loaded with doors so it's very narrow it's very efficient but at this opportunity when you can work in an environment like this this is what we mean by moving more towards the state of the art we also want to consider amenities both public and private at least for our employees the ground floor is being transparent as we can so this is the image to the left is is a rendered idea of the one-stop shop concept a lot of glazing so when you come in through the pathways of murphy park and around the amphitheater this is the essentially the hub of where the first activity is for city hall and then specifically for our employees for a bit of respite or opportunities to even have a small meeting outdoor meeting would be on a second level where we have now we can capture that space above the one-stop shop and have an outdoor outdoor seating area and with some shade as well so moving along you know i mentioned earlier in the conversation that is the amphitheater part of murphy parker's at party city hall we think is as a venue it's it's now the link for all those things together so here's an opportunity to take advantage of of the bowl that we have today the slope and so forth it hasn't been conducive to fix seats obviously and the lawn has been used in different manners you can see from the existing picture that we have as it is today not too many people are actually using the lawn component so one thought we had as a team was to look at as a combination of fixed seats and lawn seating and to bring it more to an actual um venue itself versus something that is is maybe more on the park organic side the other thing we wanted to do was to look at programs that would support it so right now we just have a curtain that kind of pulls across and people kind of work behind there and then come across it you know if we're going to see this as a legitimate venue you need to have supporting spaces for that so the the idea of a building a new back of house program so that's everything for performers to be able to have changing rooms storage place to set up a green room to prepare etcetera a loading zone and supporting restroom facilities is hugely important and that's behind the stage so that's a big component of the amphitheater program that has been missing and the other thing we need to think about too is that the amphitheater although it looks relatively benign in its terms of its planning and its shape there's a lot of infrastructure that goes into supporting it we have to think about drainage we have to think about shade structure the other thing about power av lighting security etc and so we would be looking at essentially revamping the bull to do that so here's some examples of its presence and how it begins to address murphy park and link the two structures together at city hall tower and chambers there's an opportunity to shade the uh the entire amphitheater or at least primarily most of the fixed seating area we could look at opportunities whether those are translucent panels or potentially a possibility for solar we can think about that in design down the road but you can see its impact to connecting both of these facilities together and then although we don't have rendered fixed seats here but the idea that you would have an infrastructure that is tiered that fixed seats would go on and you can see the lawn so all together we're looking at just under let's say about 900 plus or minus seats in the venue um which is you know significant considering uh what we have today and being able to update it and modernize it let me stop you there for just a sec because i see other people are thinking the same thing or who knows so i'll go ahead and go first you did talk about the seats which to me is important uh cement's great steps are okay but when you watch people especially elderly people they really they struggle with that so the seats wonderful to hear that if they're covered we don't have to worry about the sun baking them and and so that's good but a couple things that i don't see here and it may be just the fact that you didn't want to make this too complicated i think it's critical that we put these i don't know what they call them i i think there's a technical name for it that i'm not going to say publicly but it has to be with very large fans now you see them in in like tanger they're very efficient they do a great job uh at the same time i would i would like you to think about the possibility of some sort of gas heat on occasion if we're going to make this successful as as i believe it can be i think we need to try to look at all the different times where people use it in the winter time and then also in the summertime so we've got two questions mr odom is next yeah thank you mayor i think my answers my question's probably answered here but is is this designed as such that we could have paid entry events so we can generate revenue yeah mayor and council member yes that is okay and could be both for both free end and admission right i'm sure the city will have many free ones but it's important to generate some revenue but not only that the entry fee helps bring in quality acts so it's not that we want to charge it we want to bring quality action that cost so you have it designed as such where you can open gates and close them in box office and okay great thank you good thank you mayor um i i honestly really oppose the idea of walling this thing off i think that honestly defeats the entire purpose of the campus to enclose the amphitheater um i'm not a big fan of the stadium type seating um i i don't know how often we're going to get some an act that we're going to literally you know have a gate and and i mean that's another whole while you generate revenue you're not going to you're not going to have sell 50 tickets to something probably at the amphitheater it's unlikely anyway and then you've got to set all of that up too so there's there's a cost to even just selling tickets and assigning seats and all of that so um i'm just curious i mean is there any data to support um this concept for the amphitheater you know that we're going to basically look at you know paid acts um try to get people to to me this is really more of a community campus and so that's where i'm getting a little bit confused about now closing it off and making people pay to get in there mayor members of council councilman tom jobs first of all in terms of when he said closing it off you feel look at just the artist's rendition here there's a there's a transparent fence through there so so basically it you know you'll still have the sight lines into it but if you were doing a ticketed event it would it would provide you kind of control access points so that was the one the concepts the architect is working on in terms of amphitheaters it's something i'm somewhat familiar with i don't know of a venue that comes to mind that doesn't have a combination of both fixed seats and kind of programming space that's that's generally the that's generally the formula that you will see um on on venues one of the things is the fixed seats gives the promoter the opportunity to sell a specific location in a specific seat as as part of their revenue model but again this is really conceptual and and what we'll do uh you know you know depending on the direction the council gives us is it'll be up for us then to really to refine these concepts and come back to the council with kind of more of that detailed justification of of why we're recommending certain types of amenities to be part of this but i will just say uh whether it be the northwest other amphitheaters that i've been to a good percentage of them do have a combination of both fixed seating and um and kind of that programming area that you can lay a blanket down and do it more of a picnic style but will that would be just something we would come back and and try to build a rationale for the types of things that the design team is uh is suggesting thank you mayor i have a follow-up to that when we first started talking about this i did um quite a a bit of research on other types of or there it's municipals that have an amphitheater or something in conjunction with their city hall and and also the just the what i've the feedback i've gotten from people who have talked to this they like the open concept they like the amphitheater grass sort of i understand that there's a there's a demographic of people who want to purchase a seat or if it's just a you know a recital for a bunch of you know four-year-olds doing their christmas program that their seats available for people but i really really don't like the fence and i think we could accomplish if you if we really think that we're going to occasionally have a paid act which i think would be probably not more often than not we're not going to have paid acts there that we could set up some sort of a perimeter where a fence could be installed for those single type of occasions where you want to to close it off to the rest of the community but i really i don't care whether it's a what is this a wrought iron fence or whatever kind of fence it is i don't i don't like the fence thank you good good okay thank you um i would disagree somewhat with council member tommychoff on this i believe our intent would be to try to encourage events i mean the the if the park were used every single night of the every single weekend of every every weekend of the year i think that would really be awesome and i think we're going to encourage now and i recall the event that councilmember don aldama put together i guess where they it was fence they had the streets fenced off it was extremely well attended uh it was a paid event vent and i would think that this would encourage that to happen a little more without a lot of setup time and i get that maybe we could put up and take down but again i think we're trying to get away from that excess labor of preparing for an event from the city uh perspective trying to build a amphitheater that is self-contained that the folks can come in they can set up their equipment the outlets are there everything is there that they need and the fencing is there when events come in they do want to charge and i think uh people i mean as you said these are not going to be high dollar events typically but they will be events that i think will be beneficial to the downtown area and will bring make glendale more of a destination so i would disagree that having the fence is detrimental to the the park i do believe we need to have it open and available when it needs to be open and available but having it there's a permanent structure i think adds to it but again i'll leave that up to the designers thank you mayor um i would i would i would hope that word that the amphitheater would be open and available to dance you know recitals and karate demonstrations and people in the community who are you know that are residents of taxpayers who are funding this facility and that for those i think would be the large majority of the events would be that type of an event choirs and you know whatever types of events that i mean we're probably rarely going to have a paid act but what i'd like to ask mr phelps is if you were talking about a promoter are we are we also going to be pivoting away from this being a staff assigned thing where we're going to deal with promoters and say you're going to we're going to pay you a management fee to manage if we're going to make this into an actual concert venue then are we pivoting away from having special event staff managing all of this mayor members of council councilmember thomas jeff if you recall in our discussions about the the pivot for the downtown strategy we've never said we would dedicate the venue as a dedicated concert venue what we said is we wanted to construct it such that it easily accommodates kind of those free organic types of events that we may produce but we also had a model to where we could work with outside promoters for them to kind of come in and bring the act in put the risk on their backs but then they create a revenue model that makes it work for them so i think what we're what i would recommend to the council is that whatever we design here you try to design it with flexibility and and so you can attract as wider range of events as possible this is a little bit different because our pivot strategy talks about moving away from five or six weeks of programming and really trying to have something three to four times a week well that gets you up to a hundred and fifty to two hundred events if you're going to accomplish that the only way we will get there is by having a really flexible uh venue space that's there and that's why i think the at least initial concepts were a combination of fixed seating so you don't eliminate you mentioned a dance recital being a grandparent i will tell you that dance recitals generally draw parents and grandparents and they probably would prefer to be in a you know in a chair for example to watch an hour hour and a half long uh presentation so i think they're really uh i i appreciate the conversation i think the the hallmark of a good design will be to create a space that we can approach it from a number of different ways of how we use it i believe that since our strategy is not to make money on the venue but to draw people down i think actually was going to be a really good opportunity to work with outside promoters it was different i owned a 1600 seat venue when i was back in the northwest and there we had to charge the promoters fees to justify our business model we had to turn a profit we had to maintain the facility you know here we won't have to do that and so i believe the example that councilmember malnar mentioned that councilman obama was involved with i think there's going to be maybe more of those opportunities potentially out there than we may see today but again what i would say we're going to take the input we're going to have continuous discussion with the council and what we'll do is our the challenge we'll give assuming that the council wants to even invest in an amphitheater is to try to build the case for the decisions we're going to you know be recommending to you mayor one more follow-up if i may um the do we have we've done two months of the music so and i know uh the may um there was a little confusion about what data was collected and who collected it because there were some follow-up conversations with the ambassadors who said they were not collecting data but i would hope that we have some data from the people who attended um feedback and things like that that we could also incorporate into um what were what we would be looking at for the amphitheater thank you before i go to you a couple things that councilmember tom shop had said i disagree with uh the grass i do like grass in fact i have an acre and a half full of it except for underneath my very large shade trees and in fact if this is covered which i think it really should be to make it efficient trying to put grass down there isn't going to work it it you know the grass in the back away from the word sunny is fine but in that area where you sit isn't going to work and i can tell you i've had countless complaints in the past on ants literally the ants in the grass so the amount of effort it takes for for maintenance to try to keep it looking nice keep it clean trying to mow it trying to make sure you irrigate it time out the irrigation when you can and when you can't i to me it doesn't make sense to have grasser the seats i've gotten the age where you know what sitting on the grass is fine but getting up is a lot harder i like the seeds i think it's a good idea and with them being covered where i don't have to worry about the weather or the sun baking them or cooking them but keep in mind that the average american bottom is bigger than it used to be i would hope that when you're making an order you literally seriously think about increasing the width of those seats airlines haven't figured that out yet but someday they will when when people quit getting on airlines councilmember clerk thank you mayor i love this concept this one there are a couple of comments that i would make i like the idea of fixed seating i too am at the great grandparent stage and sitting on the ground has become almost impossible so the idea of fixed seating is very attractive i see the need for the fencing as a permanent structure but perhaps it could be less intrusive looking either lower the height of the view fencing or perhaps consider i want to say plexiglas because that's the only thing i know but some kind of transparent barrier that surrounds it so that the full view which would open it up and make it look like it was all open because we want to keep that open feel i think there's been a lot of discussion as to how it will be used i think it will be a dual business model and i think we need to prepare the venue for both kinds of models the paying model and the non-paying model so i like that you're considering that as a dual track covering i i think it probably should be some kind of transparent roof covering because it will allow for more light i like the mayor's idea of heating and cooling for us who've lived in arizona for a long time gets below 60 and we're cold so there's an awful lot of good in this i'm looking forward to seeing what your final your final model is or final design rendering is but i think it's exciting i think it does exactly what we want it to do i the only problem i do have on this one is there's an awful lot of concrete if you could expand those wells put more green in amongst the concrete because you know concrete just absorbs heat and makes the whole thing hotter than we want it to be and i noticed that throughout the there's another rendering in here somewhere of the entire layout which i know is only an example and it's not fixed in stone yeah that's what there's a lot of concrete and so what we can do to to reduce that feel that concrete feel because we call this a park and if it's a park we need more more green and less concrete now i do realize you need concourses and you do need paths and i and i understand that but um to take away some of that concrete i think would would be beneficial thank you and i i have one final comment and i'm going to go to mr phelps i i disagree with councilmember clark on the fencing uh i think what she wants to accomplish i agree with but if that fencing was on maybe further out on that outside ring where you made that more inclusive and then instead of just having a plain old fence put up a really nice ornamental wrought iron fence something that represents murphy park in downtown glendale kind of keep that older atmosphere at the same time something security wise i think plexiglas is only going to get scratched or graffitied i mean i really i see that that's all i could think of there might be other materials out there that i don't know about my thought again my thought and and there'll be a lot of discussion is if that fence was brought out further people could attend they could be at the food booths or or wine or jazz or whatever it is and still be part of it they don't have to keep going in and out of that gate so to me if you've moved that out a little bit closer i i think that could accomplish that uh mr phelps mayor members council again thank you for the input this a lot of this is designed for the design team to hear what the council has areas of focus on and you know again this will be an opportunity for them to go back and really we've got a you know a brilliant consultant on board and a good team you know a couple different thoughts on the fencing um because i i agree that even a fence seems transparent sometimes seems like it's blocking off i've seen situations where you can create kind of column effect where you have folding fences that for the most part during the day can be contract you know collapse if you think about a a ballroom uh where you have movable walls that kind of come out there could be some really good creative designs that i think accomplishes what councilmember thomas often said which is we want this to be inviting at noon on a thursday so maybe people come out of the community and come down and sit in the amphitheater and and uh and and have lunch or visit with friends at the same time be able to protect uh you know because we you know we'll have equipment in there we may want to do two and three-day events where you have risers and maybe some sound equipment that stays the entire evening so being able to secure it will be an item that will help us the second thing um in terms of the uh and again this will be an opportunity to talk with the council as we look at our strategy what what the design team on murphy park has come up with is said if you think about now we spread uh vendor boosts all over and it's really caused a problem with where our turf wear is at and it just it just doesn't work really well so what they have tried to accomplish is to try to congregate area where all of the you know if you wanted to do an art show or do programming along with the concert you could kind of do it there and it's set up it's flat you've got power in the floor and those things but you bring up an excellent point about how can we mitigate that from a heat reflection and providing some canopy so again these will be the things that you know eddie and the team and our consultants will will take this feedback so we appreciate kind of these comments um and what we're you know we're gonna get to where we what we think are the next steps in the process but we envision having a tremendous amount of engagement along these exact same lines throughout the entire process assuming the council moves forward with uh with the redevelopment mayor thank you mayor you know if you do have to have this concrete for other programming such as vendor booths or an art show or whatever you might consider putting the use of shade structures which is what tanger did between its site and the rest of westgate so maybe if you have to have that concrete you use a lot of straight shade structures to mitigate that heat effect from the concrete thank you good thank you mayor yeah i've heard a lot of dialogue and i got to tell you that this you guys have hit it out of the ballpark this is exactly what downtown is needed it's what business owners has asked for change what we're doing and do it now and make downtown a destination this is exactly what this will do so i wouldn't change a lot i do got a couple ideas when so councilmember malnor mentioned the event that i and others held in downtown i i was really not comfortable charging because the demographics once i was convinced it was the absolute right thing to do people paid they said oh yeah for a great great act we're going to pay i i don't have no problem paying for concerts i'll pay whatever it takes if i want to see the ban so i don't think that's going to be a problem um the gate i think that in the middle of the amphitheater in this photo here you're probably going to we have a concern in mass evacuating people so you're probably going to have a large 40 50 foot sliding gate or bifold gate one of those two so if there's no concerts monday through friday in the month of march just open that darn thing up and go in there play your bikes who cares right so then you close it back up and it becomes a venue the only one thing i'd like to add is on this one here on this page here because i like rooftop venues and if these here could be rooftop accessible and if you can bring mezzanines out about 50 feet where people can actually sit up there and view the concert so but i just want to say the conceptual design so far is exactly what i've been looking for for downtown glendale to put us on the map this is absolutely perfect keep doing what you're doing i can't wait for you to to bring up some more designs spot on yeah thank you thank you thank you mayor on the amphitheater just a few comments i i think that having permanent fencing as illustrated here does separate it too much from the park and the uses uh when i'm down here during the days on weekends evenings often see children that are incorporating into the amphitheater playing on the hill rolling down things like that it's a place for where it gets more used like that incorporating more reducing the amount of grass down in the deeper part of the bowl where it's at i think is probably something we could afford to do with given the pattern of how i've seen people using it i'm a little bit somewhat concerned about fixed seating and that it is going to whether the sun is shining on it or not it's still going to be outdoors all of the time and i know my patio furniture underneath my uh backyard um canopy is um gets plenty dusty and needs attention if ever you know when i'm going to be using it or having people over and i think that's going to be the same situation i would rather have more flexible seating such that for the kinds of events we've been doing so far our community band and and our live in murphy park where people can bring their own seating that's fine i also think that the ambassadors or another group could perhaps rent director's chair or camp style seating that could actually is an opportunity for sponsorship as well i'd rather see us start out that way than than go to a fixed always there type seating the um in this and it will get even more so for me as we go farther through this presentation but the amount of concrete and the heat reflection and the glare that comes off of it concerns me i would uh and in keeping with the theme and history of our downtown and all i would like to say can we do this in brick something that's gonna not be reflecting that light back up in your face you know we're using brick successfully already it it matches the facades of our downtown and uh various types of brick and the bank or the b of a building and all so i'd much rather see us going to something in that direction and and softening softening the hardscape if you will i'm i'm concerned about our ability to program when we brought when we bought the what we now call the black lot five years or more ago i suggested at that time perhaps we could look at you know keeping some of that space for an outdoor amphitheater and outdoor entertainment and conversations with aeg at the time about that were that that wouldn't be it wouldn't turn out to be successful there aren't the groups to plug in there on a regular basis and um that an amphitheater there wouldn't be useful but now we're looking at putting one in downtown and i'm just very curious as to who do we actually think who are we planning on attracting to this in the way of acts and how is it going to be used as if you know i'd like to know if it was out there today who do we think would be playing there tonight or throughout the month are we looking at what i would call the casino circuit type of entertainment um and if so is that actually let's get some professional advice as to whether or not that would actually be viable or are we over building this uh with an unrealistic unrealistic expectation and then the other is competition if it's the casino circuit that's quite likely that our our casino is actually going to move in that direction but also in the recently released plans for uh the makeover of metro center they've been there they've said they're going to put an amphitheater in there i think it would be helpful for us to try to get a handle on the size and purpose of that amphitheater and whether or not we're going to end up being the the minor player in a in a competitive market um i still see this as there should be maybe you know some occasional events that we've talked about but i don't know that we're going to be regularly programming that in there as far as the fence i don't like the permanent fence but a retractable or fencer where two panels three panels slide together to one and create open spaces that would that sort of thing or having receivers in the ground where the panels are stored aside and brought out and dropped into place when needed or the bicycle bike rack they call them type crowd control devices or picket fences there's any number of ways that you can use to to provide crowd control that i think would not have to be a permanent barrier in that area um shade's important and it seems to me like we talked about this amphitheater within the last couple of last year or so and we and we reached agreement on it and said move forward and now we're looking at something that is significantly more and significantly more expensive and and for what the price tag is on this i'm very concerned that you know what's our rate of return and you know that's it's a lot and it's and it's a lot of i'm just not sure i i can do something you know i'm happy to do some things there to improve the experience but um we need to make sure that we're keeping our downtown a unique opportunity and not replicating what's available elsewhere in our city or elsewhere throughout the valley and just being one more of something like that thank you thank you mayor i do agree with councilmember clark and councilmember turner about that that vastness of the concrete between the the end that's what's illustrated in that fence and basically murphy park it looks to be quite a quite a wide amount of concrete that i think would generate a lot of heat but i do you know if we think we need to have some sort of a fencing area i agree with the mayor that that the concourse ought to be included into somehow incorporated into part of so you can control who the vendors are for which the events are if you want to use as uh mr phelps said an art show if you're having you know some kind of cultural thing then you want to make sure you have the right kind of vendors associated with the event um and that would only work if you could you know separate that off somehow so i mean i i mean i i understand this is a work in progress but i would like to see bigger if that needs to be concrete or pavers or whatever bigger areas of landscape in there other than just a little round around the tree those things can be a lot bigger with other vegetation to provide more cooling with benches and things like that around those areas more like a little sort of a rest stop in the middle of the concourse but i mean i think you know i i think for you know first glance it's definitely a lot to work with here i also do have some real heartburn about the price tag but i don't know if we're at a point today where we're going to be discussing whether we're comfortable moving forward with all of our other obligations um other things that we've committed to residents for years and years and years that we haven't delivered yet for example heroes park finishing heroes park the the recreation and aquatic center at harold's park other things to commit you know today to 10 and a half million dollars for an amphitheater that i don't believe we have enough data to know really um whether this is exactly how this is going to work i think we should still keep going forward but i i would like to have more information and maybe have staff come back with something and sharpen their pencils with something that's a little less expensive than 10 and a half million dollars thank you thank you mayor i i have always said and i continue to say that one of the ways that downtown will become viable is when there is a destination entertainment location i think waiting for a movie theater or performing arts theater or an art gallery or a museum all of which i would love to see downtown will happen long after i'm dead okay this is an opportunity for this city to do a couple of things as council member al dhama said it it shows an investment in our downtown because i'm one of the ones that wanted to move us out to westgate area and i will be the first to admit that because this venue no longer demonstrates what we are as a city this is our opportunity to not only help revitalize downtown who knows it might encourage additional development downtown you never know but until there is a destination location downtown this destiny this downtown is destined to remain exactly as it is now which is a disappointment to everyone that lives in glendale so i am all for making the investment in this amphitheater i think it needs to be done we've got the money the time is right council member tom and chop is right i also want my recreation and aquatic center so we're going to have to figure out how we can do all of this but downtown deserves this it's been a long time coming the the only thing that is driving me crazy guys and i will tell you this right now is this picture with the g on it first of all i've never liked logo to begin with i agreed but why would you put the logo on a building this building is going to last 40 50 years just like when it was first built in the 80s okay putting the logo on it dates the building please don't do that mr phelps please don't don't put the logo on the building um but other than that i think this is a great concept i think it's long overdue i'm glad we have the funding or we'll figure out the funding to do it because it really does need to be done thank you mayor all right i i'm gonna go to uh vice mayor next everybody keep in mind that we got three hours and we haven't gotten through half of this yet so we need to we need to shorten this up but thank you mayor i'm on i think one of the first meetings i had with kevin i brought up the amphitheater and said that thing needs to be improved so people can use it for a variety of uses and and we've just gone a whole lot better by doing city hall and the council chambers all at the same time i don't have that big a vision but i'm glad somebody does but i i think this would be great for downtown glendale and if downtown glendale surviving the rest of glendale's with us the fencing and stuff i think all that can be worked out i'm just excited about the possibilities of getting this finally built where we can utilize it all throughout the year thank you who's next somebody else want to talk vice mayor okay ray and then you uh i would be in full support of what has been presented here today um i agree with the sentiments that have been expressed concerning the benefit of doing this i know we stopped to talk about the funding but i believe now is the time to pursue this and we need to discuss the funding and how it's going to happen but i believe that it will be able to happen and so i would be in support of moving forward thank you councilmember uh thank you another concern occurred to me and that's i think i heard some mention about restrooms at some point i don't see where they would be in this design but also i have an interest in beverage service i think for the kinds of entertainment that we would be wanting to do beverage service would be an element of it and i don't know yet don't see where that would be located and certainly it needs to be within what would whenever there's a secured perimeter both of those need to be available within that secured perimeter thank you anyone else yeah council member thank you vice mayor yeah the the the the notion that downtown is historic and we should keep it that way is absolutely false to me city hall is the modernization piece of downtown and it's absolutely appropriate to do what your your conceptual design brings to us absolutely so i'm the i'm the the district councilmember for the historic district and i'm 110 for modernizing city hall it was modern then it needs to continue look it's really bold it's a pivot really aggressive but similar to what the what vice mayor said when i first met kevin i said be very very progressive and do it in downtown he's doing it this is the right thing to do and many many constituents have asked me and it's actually the topic of conversation when are you going to do something down to to the city hall building it looks horrible and they don't use those words do something and get it fixed at least get it painted this design does it i'm very proud of the work you guys brought for so i'm very supportive and i know we're not at that part yet but very much so and i think we can find the money to pay for it anyone else can we continue please thank you vice mayor and council members we will continue these are all by the way very constructive comments we really appreciate that with a lot of opportunity here moving forward we are now looking at council chambers as an exterior upgrade as well so this includes replacing the roof and most likely in its current form due to its structure in looking at the perimeter enclosure itself this would be pretty much a cousin of in terms of its fenestration to city hall itself the tower but and most likely without the g in in the uh in the rendering here so but everything else there's opportunities for these walls to whether we do have an opportunity for art or anything else that would like to be in its place there's opportunities with what we have in the concept moving forward so an exterior upgrade to the council chambers itself not to be excluded is the parking structure this serves utilitarian purposes we all know many of us park here every day there's the bridge connection that is also part of that secondary front door opportunity that we have when we talk about multiple front doors it needs to be addressed as well but ideally what we see here is a exterior refresh of not only just upgrading and painting the structure and bringing it just refresh all together but looking at every corner all the entrances to be more identifiable because it's kind of hard to to navigate when you're driving on 59th or glen drive you're kind of not sure it says so the the concept that the team has come up with is to is to address the corners where the stairways are the openings where the dry viles are and then opportunities again back to branding so again this is maybe it's a departure but the point being is that we if there's opportunity to have either art or be able to reflect the let's say the brand of the campus we can do this here and so whether it's a g or something else something more cultural related to glendale the opportunity is there to do that and be much more visible to um passerbys on 59th grand avenue and glendale um and we want to also be thinking about even though the bridge right now is very utilitarian it also has an opportunity to to have some architecture applied to it um again these these vertical fins if you will that the design team has proposed as a concept is akin to what's also on the garage but also some of the vocabulary that's on city hall you can see the new stairwells that would support the second floor deck these were all the the communicating stairs that would have been inboard where the one-stop shop is it's now on the exterior they would be addressed architecturally as well and both functionally um and then back to the unifier which is murphy park itself this is a different view from this is from glen drive and ariel if you will but again you get to see the idea of concepts of the three different key zones you know the flexible lawn area whether it's you know a frisbee game or kickball or movie night and to be able to look at um an opportunity there with that main entrance if you will of thelma library but you also have different speeds around it where there's botanical garden areas on land drive and or the promenade from glendale avenue itself uh we did wanted to mention that that during the discussion about the hardscape in front of the the amphitheater there's still an idea to have food truck parking on glen drive um it's just i think anything else there's flexibility there or whether we do it on the concourse itself that there's some opportunities there um but again the character in the nature of of murphy park would be a little bit more diverse in its plant materials a nod back to some of the native plantation here but also at the same time looking at increasing the shade canopies of park trees overall and and be really deliberate about what area what each area of the active zones we're doing and how we would uh plant and hardscape around it we wanted also to address the idea that the almaty library being somewhat of a pavilion of its own within the actual park setting today when we look at reconfiguring the the pedestrian corridors from this sort of circular isolated pattern to much more cohesive east-west opportunity there's an opportunity to promenade right through the library um so the team has also met with you know the with the library folks as well understanding what the functions could be internally but you know there's some flexibility in this planning that allows us to consider this down the road what it would do is really versus disconnecting the library it would actually connect it back to the entire and the idea that if we if we were to do anything in the immediate future or down the road it would be system basically you can see from this rendering a little bit of that opportunity could you could you open up the library go all the way through and have a connector to the opposite side as well here's the little bit of the activity that you see in the flexible lawn area so um the big slide actually so when you start to look at all the components together um for the sake of time i'd like to explain that most of these are these these uh the amounts that are shown here we've we've shown it as estimated project costs which that means that's both in our view it's both the construction cost and all the soft cost which means design contingencies all these all the components that go on top of the construction itself to create the project cost so what you see in this slide is is what we believe the budget would be for the components and albeit that we see them all together as more of an efficiency if they work together but individually you can see from left to right the parking structure is 2.8 million there is an asterisk to it that is currently right now before we even start with this project we have some current infrastructure things taken care of and darren and his team are working on right now that was in the cip which is approximately 1.475 million dollars that are just doing some immediate upgrades that can't wait for the project to start this would be for all of the other things that we've we've shown you today to cover that and then city hall is just under 40 million 39.8 the amphitheater which was discussed a few minutes ago as 10.5 the exterior for the chambers the roof and all is 4.1 and then murphy park itself looking at a budget of 4.5 and then to to bring this home um from the very beginning we talked about how city hall tower itself is the driver um it is a key component for how everything else from a phasing standpoint and how we would continue service uh is it's really important to understand that so we wanted to show that as a component um moving forward and especially during construction the big move for this would be to vacate the building we think it's smart it's safe we don't want to have occupied individuals working in between construction there's going to be a lot of construction fatigue by doing that as well a lot of moves and phasing to do that quite frankly it's more expensive and taking so uh the team has agreed to vacating the building you can see the cost identified we're looking at a design schedule approximately 12 months and a construction schedule about 16 months but what's really important is what this will drive and i'd like to turn this over to darren frank who's going to explain that this move alone and how it affects the country of operations yeah there was a question that we just were talking about here what's that what's the chances of when the building was built asbestos has been used is that even a remote possibility marine council yes it's always a possibility and we we do always test for it so every time we've gone and pulled a wall or put a wall up we do test for asbestos asbestos testing is is required with every project we we don't believe there is any but you still have to test for it um so we will but that's included in that project cost okay and and would would that be done before we get really rolling on this thing to make sure i mean to me it seemed like most of the asbestos was stopped in the late 70s and 70s but but i know that we don't know what we don't know right it could have been in some of the materials and stuff that were you know used we don't know i i i guess my only point in comments remember thomas office one that brought it up but my only point is it'd be nice if if you could do some test samples throughout the building before we get so deep into this then we find out it's gonna cost 10 times that or something goofy i i don't expect it but it'd just be you know be nice to know good afternoon mayor and council um as we said the building needs to be vacated uh as part of this project uh this forced us to think about how we're going to keep service to the customers done seamlessly also in this exercise what we did is we tried to use buildings that we have our existing portfolio in order to gain flexibility and uh and gain value uh in each one of those buildings so the in in hitting continuity of operations we had four planning objectives we wanted to keep a seamless one-stop exp shop experience for the for the customer and how we're going to do that is all payment revenue and inquiry services will be located in one place and at this point we're looking at the civic center annex what this will also do for us is allow us one and a half years during the construction time to really refine how we provide that service as well change versus how we have it set up right now and also it's a decent amount of time to see as we hopefully get out of this covert era how people will engage with cities and and how we engage face to face with each other a special attention has also been given where employees are moved both permanently and temporarily um all employees have been moved to a space well two spaces closer to where they serve and then departments that share customers that are both internal or external uh are placed adjacent to each other we gain efficiencies the third is uh fourth floor and elected officials will be located together temporarily in the bds center building and the fourth is the fact that we and all the funds that we use uh regardless of permanent or temporary spaces is going to allow us to gain more flexibility and gain more value in the spaces that we own as a city this uh slide here just basically shows you geographically uh the spaces that uh we are looking at expand or uh uh expanding or retrofitting or uh or uh or fitting um you'll see we are moving some services out to the west uh closer to and uh closer to where they they may be working uh we also keep a good portion of our service in the downtown city core right around means right around city hall if you look at uh and this kind of breaks it down even further the materials lab field operations is and which i was out at the airport um and that was one of those six or seven on that on the previous slide the adult center uh is office space um we're going to be building out quite a bit of office space and then that office space then in turn after those temporary those temporary uh terms are there uh when they're done and moved back into city hall that will be the permanent space for um parks and recreations [Music] administration civic center campus one stop shop and support the sign building we have the entirety of the second floor we'll be moving city attorney and code enforcement up there with the caveat that the city attorney will always have an office both in the temporary and permanent facilities near uh the executives and and the elected as well uh gripsic once again west field field inspectors and on the median center will be for the elected and executive so that's kind of the how now is a uh a pretty general timeline this is uh city hall project timeline uh as it as it sits itself um once we would gain council consensus there would be a procurement period three-month procurement period we would bring back to you for approval any uh anything that comes out of that procurement period then we feel there would be a 12-month design period and that is not only for city hall but that is designing the um temporary and permanent spaces that we're talking about to move people out of city hall to design those construct and then move in and then there will be 16 months worth of construction once we vacated city hall and two months of move-in and commissioning we look at it for all components it's the front end is much the same um gaining council consensus then procurement back to you for approval our design phase you can see here that we have more balls in that construction uh 16-month construction area we're gonna try and fit as as many of those together as we possibly can working with uh the construction team once they're brought on board murphy park uh lags behind a little bit but once again that move in at two months uh after uh city hall is done and murphy park really is going to be it's the logical area for a lot of the lay down and all the stuff the construction storage that needs to be done uh that we need to have in order to complete the construction project thank you mayor would you be so would you be fencing off murphy park then as the entire thing as a construction zone you know construction trailers and storage and all of that would all be yeah it would it would be too it would be too soon to know how they wanted to handle that i mean there are other options as well but in order to do a project this large we would need to have some significant lay down area and we would be on the search for that all right thank you thank you mayor um just in and because it feels as if we're wrapping up here just a few things i wanted to share regarding city hall itself um city hall itself and its finishes um you told us with these photographs that this is just conceptual there's work to be done and i'd um i'd like you to remain mindful of a couple important things one is reflected sunlight reflected glare um the south facing and west facing sides of this building go straight into traffic and with reflective surfaces there i think we could create some real issues both with the light and also the reflected heat making areas out in that being much too hot to be enjoyable or to be successful with vegetation and other things there is a reason that city hall from the outside looks the way it does and that the windows are deep set and and all of that was to keep direct sunlight off of the glass and that's something i would be concerned about for the glass portions of what we're doing even though you mentioned using you know modern glass techniques and all of that well that's also what they use at the sandra day o'connor federal courthouse downtown and they have tremendous heat and reflective light issues there and i just would like us to not follow into that path the heat gain and all of that is a major concern for the building itself and perhaps some thoughts more along the lines that will breeder used at the main library on central avenue in phoenix to break that up and to provide shade while you're also providing light it doesn't need to be direct light so we could be protecting in that fashion um the parking structure the mayor and i both have brought this up as you enter that parking structure whether it's from 59th avenue or from the driveway between the structure and city hall it is very difficult to see into the structure because of the discrepancy and light to shade and so i think we need to pay some attention to that and create a situation where it's softer light as you get into there so your eyes adjust and and and all of that um even if it's colorful fabric sales or something more permanent we need to you know as long as we're doing this let's fix that issue um the and with murphy park um i personally think the change to murphy park as shown here is too much it is a historic feature of our historic downtown with a lot of tradition and sentiment surrounding it i do not support changing over to xeriscape even though i happen to be a very water conscious person and and um it's becoming almost a second profession in some ways to me um but we are a honestly our history is we're the midwest we were settled by midwesterners on a midwestern footprint with and and the design for our downtown is to provide an oasis of of shade and coolness and the citizens chose that themselves uh maybe 20 years ago when when through a lot of public input the citizens decided they wanted the turn of the century streetscape in downtown and the city adopted it it's been successful it's what glendale downtown is known for and it's one of the things that provides the charm that people like when they come down here um other you know basically what we're looking at doing with city hall and the amphitheater could be done in gilbert or in surprise or at anthem or anywhere it just is it you can pick that up and put it anyplace but none of those places have the murphy park the downtown business district we're the last remaining and the best example of what the midwestern downtown and in the west looked like and i think that that's important for us to to keep and to trade on it's people come down here and they're impressed with that it makes them want to come back and that's part of part of our draw and i think we should stick with it thank you mayor members of the council this slide is a table of the funding for the various components of the project the first column you see is the name of the project the second column is the total budget for the adopted cip the third column is the proposed budget and then the fourth column is the additional appropriation needed for the project so for example for city hall the proposed budget is about 39.8 million we have a adopted cip 15.4 million so the difference or additional appropriation needed is 24.4 million for the downtown campus fund project the total additional appropriation needed is about 49 million if council provide consensus to move forward with this project today we'll come back to you in the first workshop in january to provide recommendations on or how to fund the project and with that i'll turn over the presentation to mr phelps well mayor members of the council again thank you for for all your input yeah kind of recap what leset said is that we obviously see a difference in what you've adopted in your cip versus what we uh what the project budget would be if there's enough consensus still to understand the major programming elements that we've talked about understanding that they're programming elements and not and not anywhere near final design then what we'll do is come back in in january with a financing plan we believe we have resources we can do to do this project without taking away from other priorities that the council has and so you know we're excited about this opportunity it does represent a significant investment of taxpayer dollars however if you were to look at what it would take to replicate this by new construction as an example if we were to follow councilmember clark to westgate as she alluded to prior the cost would be significantly higher and and so we think this is a tremendous value proposition for our citizens we believe we can we can give this facility new life for decades to come we can do it at a price point that represents really good stewardship of our taxpayer revenue we can believe we can do it in a way that will help us with key things like retention and attraction of quality employees an important part of government facilities that i think as a rural government doesn't do a stellar job on is they build for today's needs and they don't anticipate what will happen you know if we recall back to our first presentation today to talk about all the things that are happening here in the city of glendale well we have to anticipate that over over years as we increase the number of services we provide our city we want to make sure that whatever we spend money today that we're already not back at the next council leadership in the in five years or ten years saying we've run out of space so part of the plan that we're really excited about is is the fact that we'll be making some improvements for our temporary kind of relocation but between the space that we'll re we'll kind of empty out and then the space efficiencies we pick up at city hall what i think you can say as a leadership team for the council is that if you do this project is you've looked well into the future for making sure that we have the critical kinds of support services and infrastructure that future councils and future leadership teams will be able to take advantage of if we drive around our city and i'm always marvel because i've only been here just under six years and i look at at our water infrastructure i look at our solid waste i look at our waste treatment and i think about these gigantic projects that in today's dollars would be hundreds of millions of dollars to replace is i'm so grateful that there was there was leadership at some point in time down the line to make those investments of taxpayer dollars and to go through the challenges of building a project i want to be clear these are not easy projects the amount of strain that will be put on this team to continue our operations to relocate people will come at some discomfort not only to the council but certainly those who will be working that work here and call this our our home you know five days a week but the great thing is is that this is all about really leadership and really setting this community up for all the great things that will be happening i think this is an opportunity to really reestablish downtown i don't think this is anything about saying that we have a bad downtown but i think it has an opportunity to even strengthen the brand of downtown and to show a commitment to those in the community that we're willing to invest back in it so what we are looking today understanding there's a whole lot of dialogue um you know we'll be our design team will be meeting individually with council members over time to get ideas and get feedback we'll be as we start whittling down this universe from a really wide funnel down to a narrow amount there will be steps all along the way to provide input and to get feedback and to try to get consensus on on a direction but what we are looking for today is just to say in general uh we're we're ready now to kind of hear how we can finance it and then our goal would be that when we show you a financing plan early next year um that that this council would then weigh in and say we have a project let's move forward and then as as was laid out we're starting to identify how this project comes together so we thank you for your input i want to complement our team they put a tremendous amount of work into this presentation and a tremendous amount of thought about how all this works it is complex you've got a good team around you i think that are ready to deliver this project and we would look forward to sometime in 24 potentially could be late 24 but we'll um of coming in and really cutting the ribbon and really making a signature statement that the city of glendale is not only the leader in the west valley and really the kind of the center point of west valley but the city of glendale is a major player a major force within the entire maricopa uh region and we're going to demonstrate that by how powerful our brand is about how we deliver our services uh how we engage with our community and so with that we'd be looking i know some of you have already kind of weighed in but would continue to look for feedback here in terms of coming back in january regarding a financing plan thank you mr phillips mr oldham thank you mayor um i've got several questions but i i don't know who put together the agenda i don't know if it was strategically planned or not but but it was very appropriate because this is the paycheck that will pay for for the amphitheater we just talked about how much growth the city of glendale has has experienced we are doing excellent and we are financially stable that was the plan by this group this team here that executive team here and every employee in the room we wrote that check right here for the amphitheater and our downtown business owners who have who have worked very hard to this day with their businesses keeping open they deserve this and so i'm i'm on board 110 i'll say that all day long but this but this is the check guys this is this is we're doing really good this is why we can do this um the next thing is i got a question on on the 10 and a half million does that include and it probably does the ffd or the furniture equipment for for the interior or are we looking at another 5 million for furniture and fixtures and equipment it's still good make sure it's still on um there's there is a little bit of ffe that would be budgeted because there's it's most of this is going to be fixed seats and so forth that we talked about but behind the the back of house there's some chairs and tables and things like that to outfit that's in the in the ten five okay so now let's go into the city hall complex itself is that a separate budget you're going to request for ffd or is that inclusive the project costs that were presented in the components where there would be um program spaces for employees that would include ff that's all include nothing different and then a council member i think councilmember turner made a made a good comment on on um i think you may mention something about operations but with the ffd you're going to change out are you also changing out or potentially proposing to change out the mechanicals like the cooling the plumbing you know water closets stuff like that so if we are then will you be able to bring data to us on what our efficiency savings are and will we have a lower cost operation for that building than we have today yes mayor and councilman that's a great question and the plan is to do as we modernize the systems whether it be plumbing hvac controls that we are upgrading with especially like the digital controls where we can track our data and be able to give you a baseline of how we're using our energy today versus what we used in the past let's do that and i think councilmember turner's request was our rate of invest return of investment so i think part of replacing all the equipment we'll have some savings so if you'll bring that back first i'd appreciate it mayor yes marine costa we'll do the same we were very earlier in the process great mayor members of council so just go back i think the original question on the on the amphitheater budget there is a large amount of money that's being spent below us so that's a significant amount of dressing rooms restrooms and programming space storage for equipment sound lights all that will be there in terms of the city hall budget of the 39 million that does the ffne is furnitures fixtures and equipment so that would be everything from desk and the entire you know kind of how city hall will look what we what we didn't mention here by the way is we'll be putting a focus on design towards safety of our employees from uh we're going to kind of you know really look forward that we're probably not out of a pandemic happening again and so a lot of us will be focusing on touchless types of fixtures in terms of how we do things for those who are on the tour yesterday the escalator there actually had an infrared system on the rubberized hand rails that went up and so they built into that um the ability to sanitize and so part of this budget is also that benefit that we're going to try to design our layout so that we better space people out if we have health kind of issues and then all of our pictures and furnishings will be designed towards that safety as well okay thank you mayor i have a question how much analysis have our city engineers and any of the engineers that may be working with the contractor done to make sure that there's not going to be any big surprises with the structural integrity of our building uh when i look at that even in your pictures when i look at that walkway from the parking garage it just looks like it might fall down but i just curious i mean you know and i mean being a realtor i i really like those shows on diy channels and then you know once you start opening up walls sometimes you get some really nasty surprises so just how much analysis i know you can't do all of the analysis on the front end but how much analysis and engineering has been assessed to see the integrity of you know of this building of all the buildings that we're going to be working with and that we're hopefully not going to end up with an expensive surprise mayor council this is a concept and so you were really good dig into that design but we did do a constructability review so they've done some work on that um you know when we look at the picture city hall we're talking about a new roof it's because we couldn't maintain it and so we know it needs to be replaced so there is we had an assessment of the building done um as we go through design um and demolition we will probably find some things but i think we've we've tried to incorporate all that already into the project so okay so but uh basically at least at at first glance this budget is going to be sufficient even to handle issues that we may need to address as far as structure or or not mayor council members council members told chef we did our best job to make sure that we had an all-in project cost that we thought was had some built-in contingencies and we were we're not looking forward to coming back and asking for more money so we wanted to make sure this was all in okay thank you yeah and i've got one thing and then we really need to move on uh something that was brought up again about the windows i don't know what the proper german terminology is but if you had them at an angle not a 90 degree angle with the road surface but maybe a 65 degree angle where the bottom's kicked out the tops leaning in that could stop a lot of that reflective heat the downside to it is it also is going to allow for the windows to get dirtier easier now not a surprise the windows we have right now are very difficult to clean the way this building's built so my two thoughts is one is could you think about angling the windows in a way that takes care of that reflective problem but then also figure out some way to do it to where there's a walkway or some method to easily clean the windows so we're not spending large amounts of money of cranes or better yet or worse yet going years without cleaning our windows all right we will definitely take that under consideration okay all right are we ready to move on and since this is okay do we have a consensus to keep moving forward yes okay you have that perfect good job guys and ladies all right if we could move item three please landfill rate discussion mayor members of the council uh here to provide uh the third item on today's workshop is uh michelle with tankel our director of field operations thank you mr phelps i didn't have a very long commute for this presentation um so mayor council you know as we just talked about the team here and really have to complement them you know it does take a team and we're talking landfill rates right now this also takes a team and so you met charles thomas when we talk solid waste rates he was a big part of this as is kim mackard and then i'd be remiss if i didn't introduce mike carr new deputy director he's going to oversee the landfill and solid waste for us so mary council as we get into this um we're going to give you an overview today of what the landfill is what it does talk about the gate rates and other fees essentially the fees that we do charge at the landfill talk about a landfill minimum transaction fee the specialty fees and the proposed rate adjustment in front of you today we did a council presentation may 2019 and we did explain at that time the landfill master plan and the future of the landfill it did open in 1973 it operates completely as an enterprise fund so it is funded solely by its user fee so the users pay for the landfill itself we do process approximately 385 000 tons a year and those tons have to pay for the landfill all it's operating and contingencies associated with it and again as a reminder approximately 50 years of life remaining so just an incredible asset we have within the city the services we do provide to the glendale residents other than we pick up your solid waste if you do need to go to landfill we do provide in your solid waste rate free access to the landfill and that is one trip per month up to one ton and if you're doing something else and you need to go more you've got more than a ton on your truck we charge you a reduced rate 15.79 is the rate council approved in the early 2000s and we're not proposing to increase that today but that is the services that the glendale residents get at the landfill there are other rates and what we're talking about today is the gate rate and this is the rate that is charged commercial customers that just come to use the landfill the last increase was in 2009 and the current rate is 32.25 which includes adq mandated fees so we do pay adq to oversee the landfill and make sure that we are in compliance that rate does include the amount we pay to adeq other landfill rates we have internal charges so you know solid waste doesn't get off completely free they do pay the landfill it is a reduced rate because our intent in may 2019 we talked to council council wanted us to keep the residence rate as low as possible and charge others so we have an internal charge where we charge solid waste for their disposal of material at the landfill and then we have municipality specific rates and these are iga intergovernment rental agencies and each of these do come to council for their approval so we've got currently rates with avondale goodyear peoria phoenix and luke air force base so this landfill rate of 32.25 per ton what we do for these small loads is we take them we weigh them in and this is pre-covered we we take them we weigh them in we take a deposit and then as they exit the landfill we weigh them back out and we give them a prorated amount so if you've got you know 100 pounds on your vehicle that you've just disposed of it's a very small fraction of that 32.25 and we looked at this it didn't cover our total costs it covered its tonnage at the landfill but look at that processing time that we have interacting with the customer because they go across that scale twice and so what we're proposing and i i guess i should um the beginning of covid when the mayor put out an emergency declaration we stopped this interaction and we just did a flat rate so we were no longer today pro writing based on weight we currently charge this 3225 fee today council's not formally approved that and that's really the intent today is to get this formally adopted so what we're proposing to do is charge a minimum transaction fee it's intended to cover the total cost so not just the cost of the amount of material you bring to landfill but the interaction time and all the auxiliary costs that come at the landfill in landfill remember it's a it's a asset that we need to care and protect for and so once we're done with this cell we've got to close it and we do post-closure care on it so the minimum transaction fee to use the landfill currently we don't have one set we're still operating under the mayor's executive order so what we're looking at is doing less than a ton this would have no impact to glendale residents because the residents can still use landfill free up to 12 times per year so once a month and if they do then bring more that rate is not changing and we do have some specialty fees um and those would still be assessed so we looked at was you know what other landfills in the area do and there's there's actually very few and that's why this is just an incredible asset that we have so our current gate rate is 32.25 and we have no minimum fee today really phoenix is charging 44 dollars per ton that's their published gate rate and they have a minimum transaction fee of of thirty dollars and discussions with phoenix yesterday we do know that uh phoenix is increasing their gate rate and be at least 45 dollars by fiscal year 24 and they are also looking at now increasing their their minimum fee as well waste management and salt river pima community are also higher than us and they have this minimum fee set as well our specialty fees we have a hard to handle waste fee and this is if you come in with something where we have to dig a special hole for it or just it's difficult to handle these residents wouldn't have as well tires this is regulatory required these are not placed in the landfill we do take them to a recycling facility we're trying to keep this fee as low as possible but recover our costs the reason we want to keep it low is that we don't we want to just discourage people from just throwing them by the side of the road because then we'll take them anyway so we want to encourage them do the right thing do the responsible thing and take it to the landfill and then freon um it is also regulatory required every appliance that has freon in it these would be your refrigerators air conditioners or freezers we are required to touch each one of them to to verify that they are have no freon left in and we have to recover that to make sure it does not get released the atmosphere so these are specialty fees when we look at our specialty fees we are also a little bit lower than some of the others and we have not adjusted these fees again since 2009 so our tires we charge three dollars and then freon is is 15 and this one would impact glendale residents because if you do bring a refrigerator freezer air conditioning unit to the landfill we do charge you the freon so that one would impact them as well so what we're proposing is a gate rate change from 3225 to 35 25 and you've noticed while we wanted to do five years we've asterick that we want to do and we've currently got ongoing a study on environmental environmental and sustainability factors so i didn't want i do want the opportunity to come back so we do want to adjust that to 35 25 if council does give us consensus and then potentially come back in future years we also then want to set a minimum transaction fee so again we're still operating under the mayor's order but we would like council to consider the landfill having a minimum transaction fee this makes it just easy and transparent people know what the minimum cost is to use the landfill and then our hard to handle waste we're looking at increasing that from to 31 35 25 and then while we've published the actual numbers they're essentially inflationary increases year over year tires we want to gradually get it up to the six dollars that it will cost us next year to process that and then freon freon is in blue because that one does have an impact glendale residents so in summary there is no impact to glendale residents with anything we are discussing today with the exception of freon the ig rates we are also going to adjust them and those will be adjusted via contract which will come to council for approval these contract rates are based upon our landfill model that we did share with you in may 2019 we're looking for a minimum transaction fee to cover our costs and then we're going to have a future discussion on environmental and sustainability factors so with that mayor i'm looking for consensus to adjust these rates as stated and this would have to if i got consensus today this would come back to an evening meeting for a formal vote okay are there any questions there good i'm a little confused about what affects glendale residents and what doesn't so is the glendale resident not going to pay the increase in disposing of a tire type no sir mayor councilmember no they wouldn't the only one that impacts glendale residents is the freon so the glendale residents will be locked in at what the three dollar price that's correct interesting okay thank you okay is there a consensus you have a question yeah i mean ready to move forward but i did have a question are we going to um take another look at our tipping fees as well or to uh mayor councilmember um the 3225 currently is generally what we call our tipping fees and then we talk about a blended rate we are coming back to you with each of those igas all the other rates that we charge the other municipalities and we'll bring those to council as well okay thank you all right consensus move forward yes okay you're done okay miss power item four please community planning and development grant allocation recommendations mayor members of the council uh the fourth item today will be led by jean marino our director of community services and she'll be uh assisted by matthew hess who's our administrator for community revitalization so we'll get set up here and thank you mr phelps good afternoon mayor and council um so it's that time of year again we're here to talk to you about the fiscal year 2223 grant allocations for our hud grant programs um this year we have prepared kind of a one-page overview that we included as part of your council report that just talks about the different funding sources that we'll be discussing with you today and those investment strategies of quick note there is a new one-time funding source for us it's the home american rescue plan act fund that is one-time funding that is to be dedicated to be used for homeless purposes and we'll talk in detail about the recommendations for that so just as a reminder um all of our investment recommendations have to be aligned with the council's five-year adopted um consolidated plan um all of these recommendations that you'll see today are certainly aligned with that plan in addition they've also been approved by our community development advisory committee as well so today's presentation all over youview just high-level key accomplishments we'll talk about the staff recommendations for both the new and remnant funding investments we'll also talk about the fiscal improvement program investment recommendations you'll recall that last year when we came before council we talked about using remnant funds from projects where they came in under budget or there was additional funding that was available to use it to fund a physical improvement program so we'll talk about those recommendations for that program and then just high level a few grant investment policies that we wanted to get some consensus direction from council on which will make it easier for us to administer remnant funds and other project funds in the future so this last year we've obviously been very busy within the revitalization programs and these grant funds we've implemented a homeless master services agreement which i believe you're all well aware of pandemic small business assistance tenant-based rental assistance program and then also youth employment and education program the first time homebuyer program was also allocated as part of the annual action plan we've kind of set that aside right now only due to market conditions um we're continuing to evaluate options for that particular program all four of those other programs have been fully implemented in addition to executing contracts with sub-recipients for the public services for vulnerable populations in addition we've also undertaken a simplification of our city run homeowner rehab programs and consolidated those programs under one umbrella which has proved to be very efficient for operations we are also in process of doing a technology implementation of which council had approved during last year's action plan and we expect to go live with that technology in the february to march time frame and then i'm very proud to report that matt mr house and his team have done an exceptional job and we have exceeded our regulatory expenditure requirements for the last fiscal year so with that i will turn the presentation over to mr hess to walk through the recommended funding investments thank you ms moreno mayor council thank you for the opportunity to speak with you today um i'll be running through the next several slides um the specific funding that we're talking about um some of the conditions on the ground um as well as the investment strategy that was informed by them and then the specific funding recommendations that were approved by the seed ac so as you see here we're talking about 6.8 million dollars of community planning and development funding the 2023 estimated amounts are pretty typical these are parallel or equal to what our current allocations are as is typical we do not know what the final allocations are until sometime in the spring but for the purposes of planning and discussion um we use level funding as gene had mentioned we do have about 2.9 million dollars of home arpa funding that is specific um pass through through maricopa county and um it is required that we spend those funds on homeless related activities um the same holds true for the esg program so those two things to keep in mind uh in terms of additional remnant funding um we have just north of 550 000 um of unspent funds from the prior year so before developing the um the strategic um investment strategy um we took a look and and look we learned from some of our experiences last year and a half or so of covid as you see in your council packet that ms moreno alluded to we do have six consolidated plan goals um one of the things that we're still seeing is that this very the pandemic is still with us the effects of which are still with us and they they really are still continuing to hit renters very hard we've had a lot of increases in year-over-year rental rates decreases in inventory and so the renters are kind of bearing the brunt for the most part homeowners on the other hand have been realizing significant equity increases so our recommendations are informed by the fact that really the the most critical consolidated plan goals to focus on are our top three affordable housing homelessness and then those public services for vulnerable populations we're also finding through our partners that more families are in need anecdotally they're telling us that they're seeing a lot more families and we also need to be able to sustain our programs we've realized a lot of efficiencies as ms moreno indicated and so we'd like to continue sustaining those as well so out of that analysis um we developed this investment strategy which as ms maron had indicated the cdac has has approved four primary components so obviously we do have to promote the goals of our consolidated plan that's a fundamental requirement for allocating funds and as i said the most critical that we feel at the moment are those top three and we also would like to make sure that we are impacting as many households any as many residents as possible even with the additional funding we realize that in order to do great things we need to make sure that we are you know leveraging uh additional partnerships and resources um and assisting as many folks as possible um we also want to make sure that we are sustaining our our high performing internal programs and also additional assessments for the homeless master services agreement which is now underway as cons has realized considerable benefits to date and and so that is something that we like to recommend additional funding to the operational efficiencies ms mourinho had had spoken to that already we did refine our processes in terms of the the grain application process how we procure for subrecipients and things like that and so we would like to continuously improve those moving forward to be able to realize additional efficiencies and then finally we have we still have the opportunity to use cares act waivers so there are a handful of program years where those waivers still apply and i'm specifically referring to the 15 public services cap which is typically um in place for most of our cdbg but for fiscal years uh 2021 and any of the cares act money that we receive we do have the benefit of using continuing to use those those waivers and so that is part of the investment strategy so the activities under goal number one affordable housing we'd like to continue uh funding our home repair program we do have a wait list but we've gotten a lot of more momentum going with that lately and so we would like the ability to be able to continue that program and go through our waitlist and be able to serve people as quickly as possible a new activity that's come up that that we suggest funding is to take a variety of sources and also make funding available for upcoming rental developments we've had some conversations with with a handful of developers in various stages of the process of acquiring and developing land the state and both the county have made additional funding available for rental developments and we'd like to be able to leverage those very large dollars with our modest investments mayor question yes i do thank you rental new construction leverage for upcoming development can you go into more detail you have three amounts listed are they for specific projects and council member clark so the 1.5 million that you see there what our recommendation is is that we use that funding to leverage with the state's tax credit program as well as the county is also investing additional funding to support those developments we do have three projects that are in various stages of the pipeline where land is under contract those particular projects are parcels that are already zoned hard zoned for two of them are already hard zoned for multi-family they've just been undeveloped for many years the third one is eligible for opting into the center line overlay district administratively all three projects have been vetted preliminarily by the development services staff obviously in our team executive management and they are a very good project so we envision that those projects are going to go after various alternative funding sources to support those projects through the state through their tax credit programs and then what we would do is we would conduct a some sort of an rsoq or a ranking process in order to assign some of our funding also to those projects to address any gaps that they may have okay a follow-up question you said that there are three projects can you identify what those three projects are where they're located and and do you have information as to the number of units that will be available with each project mayor and council member clark yes i can certainly follow up with some detailed information for you i can do that they would result in probably a little over 700 units some of them would be very specific to seniors veterans some for homeless but others for family but definitely an emphasis on seniors but i can follow up with some very detailed information for the council on those projects thank you any other questions on this slide before we move on yeah actually i mean is this didn't we do something with was it um was it um you mom or who did we do the project with is this similar to that where we marin councilmember told muchoff yes so um those projects are leveraging state tax credit um program or take state tax credit dollars and so we would just be taking that one and a half million and supporting those projects additionally typically with the state credit uh credit applications they look for a local municipal obligation um because they do want to see that their support from the local municipality for that project before they award okay thank you yeah um mayor council i just wanted to add to what gene said so um they're very points driven process when those those tax credits are allocated and so to ms moreno's point that local support usually translates into financial support and so absent absent those points it's typically very difficult for developers to obtain those tax credits thank you i do have a question um are are we able to one of the things that i thought was really startling was when we had the um when mag did the presentation the regional presentation on the um coalition regional coalition for homelessness startled me that they said that the the 55 and plus a homeless population was was going to double by 2030 which is really really frightening so i don't know um [Music] because of age discriminate i mean i don't know whether you're actually able to use some of these programs to try to address some of that because the people are retired they're on fixed incomes you know the families i mean everybody we want to help everybody but the you can help people get you know get better employment get better educated but the people who are retired and no longer working are literally getting priced out of the rental market um so i don't know whether we could focus any one of these projects on that population if we're even allowed to do that mayor and council member toma chov yes at least two of those projects will be have a specific senior focus a lot of times especially with the affordable projects you will find that they provide preference for senior populations for that very reason because typically they are on a fixed income thank you okay we'll move on to the next slide so recommended activities under homeless services um is essentially to supplement the master services agreement with our full 23 esg allocation as well as approximately two million dollars at our home app allocation excuse me home arp allocation the master services agreement as you know is our primary vehicle to comprehensively address homelessness we do have um expenditure deadlines from hud for that current funding and and cass and its partners are being very diligent to spend that money we do realize that and recognize that this is a longer term need which is not going to be solved in a year unfortunately so being having the ability to use this funding which is specifically designated for homelessness only um also with the the additional activity allowable under the arp regulations of including supportive services is not something that has been included in the home program in the past so this funding was very specifically designed with this sort of activity in mind mayor good thank you this is administered under a master services agreement and i believe this is the first year that we're using a master services agreement is it the first year yeah mayor and councilmember clark you are correct that um contract was approved by council in june and was implemented in july we're about six months in okay at the end of the first year of service i would hope that you would present to us the results what what has been accomplished and whether using a master services agreement is a better proposition from the city that compared to the old way that we did it i want to see benefit to using a master services agreement thank you any other questions on this recommendation okay and and finally under consolidated plan goal three um we recommend continuing the previous process of allocating um our 15 of cdbg to public services um that is not out of the ordinary and also focusing that on those special populations as you recall from last year so that would include youth aging out of foster care seniors the disabled and others that process is um we're currently gearing up for that in anticipation should the council provide consensus to move forward an additional public service activity would be is recommended to be completed with some additional home art funding and some of that remnant cdbg funding that does have the cares act waivers attached to it so that would maximize the impact of those particular year's dollars and we're calling this as housing stabilization services which would fund a couple of temporary positions to provide case management services also with the ability to have rental assistance dollars landlord incentives all sorts of other things that at those case managers disposal to be able to work directly with those folks experiencing homelessness and get them into into stable permanently stable situations so just in summary obviously our recommendations are focused on funding the existing wait list that we have for our homeowner rehabilitation program layering our funding with other state and county funding which i think is a very important element of any um investment strategy um sustaining obviously our homeless and housing stabilization services under that master services agreement and to your point council member clark we yes will absolutely be coming to council with more information about the performance outcomes of that of that contract to date it has been working very very effectively for us from strategy and operational management but then also from the results side of the house as well and then in addition awarding those contracts through public services for this vulnerable population so we're still providing an opportunity for nonprofits to seek funding from the city um all of these recommendations obviously were supported by the community development advisory committee and recommended bringing them forward to council and so before i move on to the next part of the presentation we are seeking consensus direction from the recommendations that we've presented i'm pretty good to go yeah excellent so the next item that i wanted to um discuss with you is the fiscal improvement program so as you recall last year we made a recommendation to use remnant funding to support a physical improvement program for the city the idea here was to really focus on shovel-ready projects limited them to city-owned and maintained infrastructure so that we could control that development and timeline and process and just as a reminder these projects must impact low-to-moderate income neighborhoods our focus in order to get this money out into the community quickly would be to use existing contracts for quick and efficient implementation and really focusing on projects that can be scaled and phased based on funding availability because we do want to create some long-term program sustainability for these types of investments and so um with that one of the first things that we had kind of talked about was that cafe lighting project we had received council direction to move forward with the first phase of that project and we had a budget of 221 thousand dollars the first phase of that project was to [Music] do the cafe lighting from 58th drive to 58th avenue along glendale avenue i am happy to report that that project is well underway it has resulted in some delays unfortunately because of supply chain issues and various things but jack friedline and his team in engineering and transportation have been instrumental in continuing to move that project along and we expect to have a better update for the council after the first of the year in terms of the construction that being said that particular project did come up with some it is using all of the contingency funding that particular phase is using all of the contingency funding that we had set aside and i know that there was consensus from the council initially to go ahead and move forward with evaluating the design of phase two and a potential phase three so phase two was proposed as um 58th avenue to 57th drive continuing east along glendale avenue and then there was also a recommendation to go north from glendale avenue to glen drive along 58th avenue staff's recommendation is to allocate 500 000 of that million or so dollars to for the continuation of this project but focusing first on phase 2 that 58th avenue to 58 excuse me yes 58th avenue to 57th drive along glendale avenue and then pausing analysis on 58th avenue in light of the discussions related to the city hall and murphy park campus design until that is complete and so with that we would be looking for consensus direction to allocate that 500 thousand dollars for the continuation of phase two of that as council's desire pretty good with that yes so then the balance of that funding we're recommending a 600 000 allocation to help advance and escalate the timeline for a transportation project which is related to specifically to neighborhood improvements this project will have a high neighborhood impact and it's focused on the ada accessible corner ramp replacements this will be focused in this particular geographic area that is shown on the map here and as you can see it goes from 51st to 63rd um and is a little of an l shape there the focus will be on collector streets again to ensure that high neighborhood impact all of these neighborhoods that would be that would receive these accessible corner ramp replacements are within a qualified census tracts the reason why this project is being recommended not only by my department but also by engineering and transportation is because it is scalable because these can be done on a per-unit basis so if we uh later on in the presentation i'll be talking to council about some kind of high-level policies and one of the things that we're looking at is using remnant funding to continue to advance these types of projects throughout the city it is simple and efficient we can get this money spent quickly and out into the community which will help us with our regulatory expenditure requirements um and so with that we would be looking for council direction to allocate six hundred thousand dollars for the aga accessible corner ramp replacements they're pretty good with that yes so the last piece of policy direction that i wanted to get from council is related to just some high level investment policies typically in the past when we've had remnant funding because projects have come in under budget we have to come back to the council and get some specific direction um related to those investments and what we're really trying to do is a meter exceed our our required expenditures you know we have regulatory expenditure requirements and um you know having to evaluate and assess projects and then bring them back to council can be a little bit time consuming and it does create an operational impact for us additionally we want to make sure that we're making very strategic investments and overall we want to improve our operational efficiency and expediency so the there's five recommendations that we have here for the council and they're really things that you have approved in the past but we're looking to just get some high-level policy direction so that we can continue with these advancements in the future so the first is applying future cdbg program income or remnant funding to sustain that physical improvement program that we talked about and that physical improvement program again is focused on city projects city infrastructure scalable over time the second one is to apply future home program income or remnant funding to sustain our tenant-based rental assistance program so that tibor program that we talked about the investment that we made initially was one time we do get program income so if we have had say as an example a lien on a home and they end up selling that home before the period of affordability expires we'll get a payout from um the title company for that particular project and so we have to reinvest those funds and so the direction that we're looking from council is to reinvest those home program income funds or other remnant funding into sustainability for the tenant-based rental assistance program the next is applying future cares act program income or remnant funding to public services for vulnerable populations mr has had mentioned that those one-time cares act funds that we received have that waiver that allows us to spend more than 15 percent of it on public services for vulnerable populations and so when we do have a project that comes in under budget or a sub-recipient that isn't able to expend all of their funding we want to be able to reinvest that back into into the public services for vulnerable populations the next one is limiting the annual grant applications again something we've done for the last two years we're just looking for ongoing direction from the council to continue on that path and then finally using those solicitations and cooperative purchasing or igas for all of our other investments again council approved that strategy last year we just want to solidify that as a strategy moving forward all of these things council will have to act upon when you adopt the annual action plan so as an example if we took program income or remnant funding from a project and are reinvesting it into the fiscal improvement program as an example you'll see that on the annual action plan that we we bring before council every spring so it will ultimately require a council action it just won't require us to come to a workshop and say we want to reinvest five hundred thousand dollars a program and come to physical improvement program what we would do when we come back to council for that physical improvement program is we would be seeking council's priorities for um and in consensus for staff recommendations like we did today with the continuation of the cafe lighting project and investment in the ada curb project so if there were other projects that we wanted to recommend we would bring those back to the council so with that i am looking for consensus direction on these high-level policies um and i'm happy to answer any questions yeah and to be clear you just simply wanting to just speed the process up a little bit absolutely that's what i got out of that okay the consensus go ahead good question yes i do have a question mayor thank you uh with regard to your recommendations these recommendations do not apply to the original grant funding do they for example when the feds make a grant of 600 000 a million dollars your recommendations do not apply to that original grant funding mayor and council member clark you are correct what we're talking about here is when we have projects that come in under budget or program income that we would be reinvesting them in these programs the annual um recommendations like that we that mr house went over with you today that is still always going to be an annual process so the only one that that i might have some concern about and i'm not sure i i would probably like to talk to you about it is item five solicitations cooperative purchasing or igas for all other investments i'm not sure that that i would think that would be appropriate for council discussion can you give me an example of where this has been done marin council member clark so item five is actually related to item four so on an annual basis i'm just going to use round numbers we get two and a half million dollars of cdbg funding we would take 15 of that and dedicate that to our public services for vulnerable populations we would come forward to counsel with recommendations for the balance of those investments similar to what we did today but when we go to seek those strategic partnerships we would utilize the solicitation or cooperative purchasing similar to what we did last year and what we're recommending again this year so it's just solidifying that policy direction from the council on the front end versus in the past what we had done if you recall is our entire two and a half million dollars we opened it up for grants and so that's what we're saying is just the continuation of what we've done for the last two years they would still come forward to the council to get consensus on those recommendations uh and i understand and i have no problem with recommendations one through four i'm just not comfortable with five so if i have if i had the ability i would eliminate five from mayor and councilmember clark i also recognize that i failed to answer part of your question which was some examples of some solicitations that we've done that we have done so the master services agreement was one um that uh that solicitation was conducted and was awarded to cass the tenant-based rental assistance was another we conducted a solicitation awarded that to a new leave the small business pandemic small business assistance is another one we did a solicitation awarded that to cplc so those are the examples that i was writing and i think those are big programs that deserve some council information and acknowledgement prior rather than just letting you go ahead and do it and report back to us that this is what you've done i think there should be some opportunity for council to weigh in on number five mayor and council member clark the council weighed in on the allocations for those programs originally it was the award of the contract that we did through those solicitation project processes so you're absolutely correct council will always have an opportunity to weigh in on the investment strategies for every fiscal year similar to what we did today so i hope that answers your question it does thank you okay so you're just looking for consensus that is correct consensus yeah you have a and that concludes what you have correct okay good job city management report thank you mayor member council uh just two quick items uh first tomorrow big day um in that uh we're going to be turning a water spigot on it's a rather large water spigot and it's going to be filling up the soon to be dedicated heroes park lake uh that'll be filled in january there'll be a public ceremony there in january but we are excited about that and i know a number of you may be attending the um the turning on the valve but this is you know we talked today about the the city hall project and sometimes these things look you know so ominous but you know it's like the old analogy of how do you eat an elephant you do it a bite at a time and this is a great example of a project that's been on the board for a long time it's been under construction for over a year we're going to see the fruits of that here real quickly uh with that so that's a good news to be able to announce the second is regarding our adopted family as you know our employees are phenomenal here at city hall and this holiday season they recognize the the challenges that many of our citizens have faced and and so we we put out a challenge and through our community services department they've identified a number of families that were in tremendous need this year we set what we thought was a fairly ambitious goal far greater than it was the year before and we set a goal of of supporting 30 different families uh here uh within the city of glendale i'm really pleased to announce that uh through all the work of our of our employees and through their generosity and really through their commitment to serve this community and to make the lives of the people we serve better every day we are support we are supporting 70 uh families this year the council's been part of this we want to thank your participation in this as well the the delivery of all of our christmas gifts will be taking place this week and again i just want to personally thank our employees who out of their generosity and their care and concern for this community really stepped up in a big way to make christmas a little bit more special this holiday season and i want to just real quickly we had some private sector um and outside partners on this and that that included aps a walmart tanger conair chamberlain and associates real estate management and the phoenix west elks and so to all of our partners and to our employees job well done thank you mayor thank you city attorneys report no report thank you council items of special interest uh council has the opportunity to discuss items that like discussed at the council in a future workshop mr o'dell this time mayor thank you member clerk nothing mayor thank you councilmember miller nothing today mayor thank you councilmember thomas i think today mayor we're on a roll mr turner not today mayor fantastic vice mayor nothing mayor amazing and i i actually have something it's like i had to screw it up right when they were talking about ada compliant uh wheelchair uh ramps uh just previously it made me realize uh that we have crosswalks years ago were put in on glendale avenue on glen different areas that they're absolutely crosswalks but they're not easily identified as crosswalks because they're in brick i i'd like transportation to look at the possibility of either putting white paint on each side of those or markers or something so they're a little bit more identifiable i don't know if what we're doing is okay or not it just seems like it could be better and so that's the only thing that i was thinking about bringing up and then uh finally uh i did want to thank everybody for participating uh in our eighth annual ninth year annual christmas parade saturday it uh certainly seemed to be a huge success a lot of people came out seemed to have a lot of fun and uh you know go figure we got great weather again so uh i want to thank everybody for participating in that that it really has become a i think an incredible tradition for uh downtown glendale and for uh literally for people starting traditions so uh with that uh can i get a motion to go into executive session okay i have a motion a second any uh any discussion hearing none all in favor would i any opposed vote name appears you guys have it do you have it council meeting is recessed you