All right. Uh, good evening everyone. Uh, this is the October 15, 2025 Cottage Grove City Council meeting, which I'm calling to order. Uh, before we move forward, I just want to mention that this meeting is being recorded by True Lens Community Media. You can view the city meetings live and on replay on cable channel 799 and meetings are also streamed live and archived at the city of Cottage Grove's YouTube channel. So just want to mention that to everyone if you're interested. Uh so the next item on our agenda here is the pledge of allegiance. So if you'd please rise. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> All right. Will the clerk please do the role? >> Council member Clawson >> here. >> Council member Olsen >> here. >> Council member Theiti >> here. >> Council member Garza here. Mayor Bailey >> here. Uh next on our uh agenda this evening is open forum. This is the opportunity for anybody to speak on something that is not on tonight's agenda. Um, and we do ask you you limit your comments to two minutes. Um, three minutes, I'm sorry, three minutes. I almost said the wrong one. Three minutes. Um, and uh, we did have a signup sheet out in the entryway. Uh, and we did have two people sign up. So, I'll just start there and then we'll double check to make sure somebody miss might not have missed that coming in. Um, so I'll start with uh, is it Jana or Jana? Janna White. if you just uh state your name and address for the record, please. Thank you. >> I'm Janna White and I live at 8463 Hadley Avenue South. My husband and I moved to Cottage Grove in 1986 and we've never found a reason to move. I worked as a teacher and a media specialist in South Washington County schools for 25 years. Cottage Grove is a welcoming place and I have always felt safe here. So, I was surprised to learn that our hero center is leased to ICE for training. I was present at a meeting with Mayor Bailey and other city officials as they addressed the concerns of our immigration task force. At that time, we were assured that local law enforcement wants our citizens to feel safe to ask for help from our officers. It is my opinion that residents of our community have a right to that expectation of safety. The recent news stories about people being detained by ICE, even if they are citizens, causing people of some ethnicities to carry their passports with them or to feel wary about leaving their homes. It concerns me. I ask you not to condone ICE actions that do not follow due process and constitutional rights by ending the Hero Center lease to ICE when it comes up for renewal next. Please keep our Cottage Grove residents safe. Thank you for your time. >> Uh thank you, Jana. >> All right. And then I also have Ruth Jones. Welcome. Good evening. My name is Ruth Jones. I live at 8180 Janeiro AB South here in Cottage Grove. I didn't move here till 2021, right during the middle of the pandemic. And I am so happy to be here. And I have to say you guys, I appreciate everything you do. All the government service people, you this is a great town. So, yay. People ask me, I moved from Wisconsin like, "How do you like it in College Grove?" I like it. It's great. So, I just have to say that that's really important. So, that contract that Jana was referring to, it's renewed on the 1st of August and for a year, $74,600. They get use of the hero center. We know nothing. We don't cooperate. Just we know we got their money and they get our hero center. And since 2020, they have gotten $749,000 from ICE. Um, okay. Like I know we got to pay for the hero center and all of that, but I have some concerns. Having ICE in our community is the main one. As a resident and a taxpayer, I feel complicit. I feel compelled to speak out, use my voice to object to this agreement, both because it leads to having the presence of ICE in our community and because it supports their mission. I do not support ICE or their mission and I am quite certain that a majority of Cottage Grove residents feel the same way I do. I feel it is urgent to keep this information circulating so the general public is aware of this. We the citizens of Cottage Grove do not have any control over this because there's not like a voted representative who decides this or whatever. It's not even these guys really. They don't decide it. It's like a hero a facility whatever board separate totally separate issue. So the only way for us to have any kind of is to tell people let you know what's happening. Right? So that's why I'm here. I have a big mouth. Um, we do have input in this form which I'm grateful for. I urge you to not renew this contract when it expires and to cut our city's ties with ICE. And thank you very much for allowing me this form to speak. >> You got it. Thank you. Okay. So, that was everybody that had signed up uh in there. So, if there's somebody else that wants to speak that didn't get a chance to sign up, if you just want to Yeah. And then just head up there and state your name and address us for the record. Hello, Bonnie Matter, 6649 Inskip Avenue South, Cottage Grove. Um, and the question that I wanted to ask has to do with budgets. I noticed that we have hired two new employees. There's two additions or at least we're you're looking for them. It's a community development manager and also a utilities manager for public works. And I don't remember that coming up at any of the budget workshop meetings that I attended. So, how will we pay for those ads? >> Well, I know our staff can actually provide it to you, but they actually were in the budgets. Uh, matter of fact, we moved I'll just say it real quick. We uh changed the title and the pay structure. Actually, I think lowered it a bit uh for the community uh we used to have a community development director. Now it's community manager. So, they don't have that bigger title. U but they were in the budget. >> Excuse me. So these are replacements. >> They are replacements. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yep. You got her. >> I didn't know that. Thank you. >> Wow. >> That's a big deal. >> All right. Was there anybody else that wanted to speak on anything in open form? All right. Seeing none, I will go ahead and close open form and we'll move to number five, which is the adoption of the agenda. >> Moved. Second. We have a motion by council member Olsen, second by council member Theiti. All those in favor signify by saying I. I. >> I. Opposed. Motion carries. Now we'll move on to presentations. Uh we do have three presentations this evening. Our first one is the public safety reserves swearing in. And so while Brad goes up to the front, I'm going to ask council to join me on this end of the council uh because they're going to be coming in in the front here. So Brad, I'll kick it off to you. [Music] All right, I'm just going to give a quick introduction first. All right. Good evening, mayor, council, staff, and guest. Tonight, I have the distinct privilege of uh introducing our community to our four newest reserve officers. Um, as you know, or may may or may not know, our our police department has a rich history of having a very um strong and robust and active reserve officer program. This is a nonsworn, completely volunteer position. Um, that uh and these these officers come from all walks of life. Some of them are on a pathway to become uh a full-time police officer someday and others come from other walks of life and they're just looking for opportunities to engage and give back to their community. Um and they um find reward in that experience and offer all kinds of benefits to the department. Um they do all kinds of things like support our community events, uh do traffic control during events, do transports, patrol our parks and streets uh in the evenings and help in any way they can. They're an incredible asset to our organization and they're one of the many reasons that the police department is so strong and successful. So without further ado, I'm going to call up our four newest officers. I've joined up Bethy Diaz up front, Michael Hatbed, Sam Anderson, Jeffrey Kates, and Marcy Meerhoffer. And our city administrator will administer her the oath. >> All right. Uh, please raise your right hand and repeat after me. I state your name. I >> do solemnly swear >> do solemnly swear >> that I will support the Constitution of the United States >> that I will support the Constitution of the United States >> and of the state of Minnesota >> and of the state of Minnesota >> and faithfully discharge the duties >> and faithfully discharge the duties >> of the position of reserve officer >> of the position of reserve officer >> for the city of Cottage Grove >> for the city of Cottage Grove >> in the county of Washington >> in the county of Washington >> and state of Minnesota >> in the state of Minnesota >> to the best of my judgment and ability. >> to the best of my judgment and ability. >> So help me God. >> So help me God. >> Congratulations. All right, now for the fun part of the ceremony. We get to do the badge pinning. So, I'm going to have Michael's wife, Kelly, come forward and pin his badge on as I read his bio. So, Michael Hatbed, joined the reserves in 2024. Beyond his service with the police reserves, he is also involved with other community organizations, holding positions as the second vice president of the Cottage Grove Lions Club since 2022 and serving on the board for the convention and visitor bureau of cottage Grove since 2025. He is a family man whose wife has been an integral part of Cottage Grove community for over 25 years. I should say he and his wife have been an integral part of the community for over 25 years. Um, he also has a daughter who started college at the remarkable age of 13. Michael loves to serve the people of Cottage Grove and thank thank you very much for your service, Michael. You've been a great asset already and we're looking forward to the future. So, thank you. [Applause] >> All right, Sam Anderson going to have his mom Tessa come forward with his badge. Sam grew up in Cottage Grove and graduated from Park High in 2022. He began as a police explorer with the Cottageg Grove Police Department in 2021 and he's honored to continue as a police reserve. And uh Sam is also a full-time firefighter with Cottage Grove. He's also uh completing his paramedic training. So Sam is incredibly dedicated and a amazing servant to Cottage Grove. He is in many many ways. Uh so we're very happy and thankful to have him. So thank you. [Applause] and Jeffrey Kates. So, his wife Roa and his children will come forward. Or maybe just Roa. All right. Jeff was born and raised in Midwest City, Oklahoma. He moved to St. Paul in 1991. He graduated from the Apostolic Bible Institute with a bachelor's degree. He also attended Brown Institute of Technology. He's been married for 33 years and he's called Cottage Grove home for the past 25. He and his wife are blessed with three amazing children, Brooke, Kaye, and Jeff Jr. for the past 30 years. He's worked in the IT industry for a global data protection company supporting critical systems and infrastructure. Outside of work, he's passionate about outdoors, sports, spending time with family and friends. He's also an active member of the Sanctuary Church in Oakdale, where faith, community, and service are central to his life. So, thank you, Jeff. [Applause] and Marcy. Sergeant Matt Jordan will pin her badge on. Marcy is an Air Force veteran. She works as a parillegal for Ramsey County Attorney's Office. She has a 21-year-old son, Caleb, and she's looking, as the reserves, to be a good opportunity to get closely involved with her home community. So, thank you, Marcy. [Applause] Should we take a group photo? All right, group photo. Let's squeeze in. Right over here with your family. He's official. >> Squeeze in just >> Thanks. Don't forget to sign your stuff. All right. That's always fun to do that and see the family and the number of I mean some of them obviously we've seen around town for quite a while doing other things. So that's pretty awesome. All right. Next on our agenda this evening is recognition of a of the community innovation award uh which is Blue Stem Apartments. And Melissa Taphorn uh is going to kick this off. But I I did want to just she doesn't know this, but I'm going to bring this up. Yeah, look at her. Um she was uh chosen as the NHRO uh outstanding uh professional of the year award nationally. So, she was named the 2025 National Association of Housing and Redevelopment Officials Outstanding Professional of the Year. This is, by the way, uh their highest and most prestigious uh individual honor. And it's obviously celebrating uh Melissa's professional lifetime of excellent work and deep commitment uh to solving community housing issues. And this one example here in Cottage Grove took a lot of people coming together with the city and county and the state and the federal and you somehow got them all to come together and created that amazing affordable senior facility here in Cottage Grove which I think you're going to tell us about. So on behalf of myself and I think the rest of the council and our staff and all of the citizens of Washington County, not just Cottage Grove, congratulations on this amazing award and thank you for your service to our communities. >> Well, thank you. >> So when you work in public service, you're not very good at taking, you know, accolades like that very well. And so I'm going to I love this one um that I'm going to do because it's not about me, it's about this team like you said, bringing a a lot of people together. So want to introduce some people that we have in the audience with us uh tonight. A couple CDA commissioners um Dan Dingle who represents district 4 here for us and Peg Larson who represents district three uh the Stillwater and um St. Croy Valley area as well as staff uh deputy executive director Carly Schuman, uh administration director Alyssa Sodtherland, and then uh Dan Walsh who's with Trellis Company. He is the uh vice president of housing development. Um, so I appreciate the time on your agenda tonight to celebrate Blue Stem Apartments, um, which recently opened this spring and is fully leased by the way. Um, and is located across, uh, the street from the library and next door to Dunkin Donuts, which is very important. Um so as you said uh the blue stem apartments was recently recognized by the National Association of Housing and Redevelopment Officials. We call it NARO. Um with a community innovation um we got two awards. One is an award of merit and one is an award of excellence um in affordable housing. And there were 167 awards of merit issued and only 17 awards of excellence throughout the country county or country. And so I think of it as we are in the top 10% of our colleagues. Um and the reason this was recognized is it's the first restore rebuild development in Minnesota. utilized Washington County CDA's fair cloth units to create a new projectbased rental assistance units which is a bunch of fancy HUD terminology to say that we use some innovation uh innovative and new paths to create new federally subsidized housing which has not been available on its own for decades. Um and so we're really excited about that. It's something that is completely lacking in Washington County much less throughout the state or the c country. Uh, Blue Stem Apartments provides seniors uh, 62 years and older and residents with disabilities earning 30% of the area median income, so essentially around $2,650 a month uh, with the ability and dignity to of affording to pay their own rent. Uh, the Washington County CDA partnered with Trellis uh, to leverage scarce federal housing resources to stabilize housing costs for our lowest income elders. Uh Dan and Carly are uh the people who made Blue STEM a reality. They are the smartest people I know by far and who fully believe in the transformative impact of affordable housing and the impact it has on both individuals and communities. On top of doing all the normal development stuff like lining up financing, getting land use approvals and construction details, Dan and Carly work tirelessly with HUD. And I mean every single department that HUD has um to forge a brand new path to securing long-term rental assistance contract at Blue Stem. The restore rebuild initiative guidance was being written while we were going through this process and HUD was learning alongside with them which can be both good and bad but it's certainly not a fast path and it's certainly not without um you know some uncertainty and some risk. So we're really excited that uh Trellis was on this path with us and um and we're very grateful to them. I mean it's a beautiful building and like I said fully leased up but we wanted to share this honor with you. The city of Cottage Grove was act has actively invited and continues to invite developers to build housing which is affordable to seniors and employees in this community. You look for ways to keep people here and to entice new neighbors. Thinking about the two women that spoke earlier, you know, from uh the 80s and the 2020s. Um you know, that's the beauty of this neighborhood. It continues to grow, but it keeps the people here because there are great things happening here. And um you also take it one step further. You invest in housing, your resources, and I really appreciate that. That welcome and that willingness means so much to affordable housing developers. Dan told me um a few times that Trellis would not have moved forward with this development, but for the commitment of the city and the CDA and we are so happy to share this national recognition with you. So thank you. >> Fantastic. Thank you. Was that going to be Are we >> That's it. So, I I think it would actually be great though if we can get Let's get the board and everybody up here for a picture. Council, are you good with going down in front? >> Sure. >> Let's do that. >> I think this is important. Keep on. >> Thank you. Thanks again. >> Congratulations. Thank you very. And once again, Melissa, thank you for uh your service and dedication. That's uh quite an honor to get that type of award, let alone these ones that we're celebrating this evening. Um and just for the, you know, for the public, and you kind of mentioned it earlier, Cottage Grove has been uh we've been on the forefront when it comes to asking for um help with affordable housing opportunities, and this was just another one. Matter of fact, our county commissioner, Carla Bingham, always mentions to me that there was some dollars out there that a different community wanted or at least at the beginning wanted. Uh, and when they said they didn't want it anymore, I was the first one to call her up and say, "We'll take it, you know, which obviously helped with this project." So, uh, so all that worked out really good. And, and you know, kudos to our staff, too, for uh, the great work that you did on coming up with some of the funding and things that we could do to help out as a community. So love love this project. So thank you. Thank you all. All right. Uh and our final item this evening on our presentations is a proclamation uh for National Ind uh Indigenous People's Day. And I did ask uh Council Member Olsen if you would uh read the proclamation then make the motion afterwards. >> Thank you, Mayor. Again, this is a proclamation honoring Indigenous People's Day, which was October 13, 2025. And it reads as follows. Whereas the area known today as Minnesota is located on ancestral and contemporary lands that have been called home by the Anishabi and Dakota people since time immemorial. And whereas Minnesota is derived from a Dakota phrase which translates to land where the waters reflect the clouds. And whereas the Anishinab and Dakota peoples who resided on this land prior to the arrival of European settlers experienced a history of interactions with Europeans and Euroamerican settlers defined by violence, broken promises, displacement, deprivation, and disease. This is a history that we must reconcile as we seek to build a brighter future for all motans while maintaining strong governmenttogoment relationships and strengthening tribal sovereignty. And whereas Minnesota is home to 11 tribal nations as well as a resilient and robust urban Native American community. And whereas indigenous peoples have made immeasurable contributions to the history, culture, and economy of Minnesota, including traditional knowledge, labor, technology science philosophy industry, and arts. And whereas Indigenous People's Day serves as an important time to reflect on the experiences of indigenous peoples to ensure greater access and opportunity. Now therefore, the mayor and city council of the city of Cottage Grove, County of Washington, state of Minnesota, hereby proclaim October 13, 2025 as indigenous people's day. Passed this the 15th of October, 2025, uh signed by Myron Bailey, mayor. And mayor, I would make the motion that the council uh accept this proclamation for October 13, 2025 as Indigenous People's Day in the city of Cottage Grove. >> Awesome. Thank you for reading that, Council Member Brson. Uh that's the motion. Do I have a second? >> A second. >> Second by Council Member Garza. All those in favor uh signify by saying I. >> I opposed. Motion carries. Thank you once again. All right. Uh moving on. uh under consent agenda. Is there anything council wants to pull on consent? I am going to just pull R just for a comment uh on that. Is there any anybody else? >> Okay. So, um just for the public to be aware, so on item R on our consent agenda is increased increasing the budget amount for two single axle dump trucks. And the only reason I'm bringing this um bringing this to light, if you will, is we're having to increase uh the amount of money that we're spending for these um these two uh dump trucks uh by a total of of $6,000 and the per it's 3,000 per truck. And uh the per the reason is because of the tariffs. So I just wanted you to be aware it is obviously affecting all communities and everyone around the country. And in this particular case, uh, the budget had to be raised because the price went up to cover the tariff. So on each of these trucks, and I believe it was the chassis, uh, where there was an additional $3,000 direct charge uh, as it relates to uh, the tariffs that are currently in place uh, around the nation. So I thought it was important to share that with the public to be aware that it is affecting us here in Cottage Grove in this and many other areas, too. But just in this particular case, it's very simple to see the amount uh and what it was for. So, excuse me. With that, uh, council, if there's no other items to pull on consent, uh, we can look for a motion. >> Move consent. >> All right. So, we have a motion by council member Thei. Do I have a second? >> Second. >> Second by council member Garza. Any other discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor signify by saying I. >> I. Opposed. >> Motion carries. So, if you are here for anything on tonight's consent agenda, all of those items have been approved. Uh, moving on to number eight, which is approved dispersement, looking to pay the bills, >> move the bills. >> All right, we have a motion by council member Olsen. Do I have a second? >> Second. >> Second by uh council member Clawson. Any discussion on the bills? Seeing none, all those in favor signify by saying I. I >> I opposed. Motion carries. Uh we'll move on to nine uh public hearings. We have actually three public hearings this evening. Uh the first one is the 2025 pavement management assessment hearing and uh Crystal Rally, our assistant city um engineer, is going to uh walk us through this. So, welcome Crystal. Oops. Right. Good evening, Mr. Mayor and members of the council. I'm here to talk to you about the 2025 pavement management project. This year, our pavement management program in Cottage Grove dates back to 1994, 1995. Um over the years, we've had a pavement management project and reconstructed over 90 miles of streets in Cottage Grove. And with that, we've assessed um more than 8,000 individual properties throughout that time. But what we've done is reconstructed, you know, in some older neighborhoods and really maintained our streets to what they are today. This year's project was in the Hidden Valley neighborhood. Um Hidden Valley is uh just west of Hinton, east of Hardwood Avenue, um south of 70th. It's was constructed uh it the first edition in the southeast corner was dating back to 1988 86. Um and the newest area of the neighborhood is up in the northwest corner in about 2004 2005 is when that was completed. Uh over the years we've had lots of maintenance projects on the streets within this um area including patching and thin overlays uh projects of that nature. But it was time for a full reconstruct on these streets. I've got some before and after photos to show. Uh the first photos are from the third edition about 7151 Hidden Valley Trail South. On the photo on the left, you can see some major cracking um in in the pavement and actually vegetation growth. And then on the photo on the right is the newly constructed street uh still wet. So that's exciting. Uh no cracks. uh a nice smooth pavement surface. This photo is from the fourth edition near 7450 Hidden Valley Trail South. Uh the curb in some areas of this subdivision was in really bad shape. So, while we did a spot curb replacement for most of the neighborhood, some areas did get full curb, and this is one of them. On the picture on the left, you can see how bad a shape the curb was in. And then on the right, we've got brand new curb through this area. This picture is from the fifth edition about 7138 Hidden Valley Lane South. There's some patching that you can see and some significant cracking on the before photo and a nice smooth surface on the um after photo. And then in the sixth edition, we've got a lot of cracking on the photo on the left. On the photo on the right, uh no cracking. You'll also notice on that median island, there were several medians with islands in the subdivision. The noses of those medians are really subject to a lot of damage from our snow plows. Uh we changed all of those islands to have a plow friendly median nose, so it has a small ramp. Um it's easier on the plow and easier on the curb. While the project went pretty well for the most part, there were some challenges. There were some challenges with the pavement management project, but a lot of the challenges were actually from a separate project that was going on in the neighborhood at the same time. So, Gateway Fiber, uh, the city partnered with Gateway in the spring to do a fiber install throughout, um, several areas in Cottage Grove. And we said, hey, let's get a jump start in the Hidden Valley neighborhood since that's going to have a pavement management project this year. and we would like we wouldn't want the fiber to come in after the payment management was done and mess everything up. However, uh that was a great plan. It didn't quite come to fruition. Uh Gateway had a ton of challenges in this neighborhood. First, when they were calling in utility locates to mark existing electric and existing gas, um other infrastructure, they had trouble getting that many locates done. So, USIC does a lot of the utility locating. They didn't have a lot of staff dedicated to Cottage Grove. So, it took a really long time. There were multiple calls for locates and before, you know, it would be a long time before they could actually start drilling for the utilities. On top of that, the gas was not locatable through the neighborhood. So, there's gas mains in the neighborhood that do not have a tracer wire installed. A tracer wire is what allows us to locate and mark out where the gas line is. So in order to find it, um the companies had to pothole down to try to look for it. So it was a lot of holes that were dug to try to find that gas. Um on top of that, there were large cobbles. You can see on the picture on the bottom, really large stones throughout this neighborhood. That's what's under the roadway. It's what's under people's homes. Just a very rocky soil, which is tough for drilling. And then Gateway had issues with their contractor. ended up parting ways with the first contractor. They needed to take inventory to see what was left and then hire a second contractor to finish up. Good news, they finished up today. Um, all the all the duct work is in the ground. The fiber is not pulled in yet. They hope to light the fiber at the end of the month, uh, first week in November. So, the project got over with. It just got over with later than we wanted it to. This is a breakdown of the funds for this project. In total, the project was $3,98,440.97. There are several utility funds uh that are proposed to be used to fund the project. Now, the utilities that were repaired with the project um are subject to assessments as well, but the utility funds will cover 55% of those costs with assessments covering 45% of the costs. Our parks and trail funds will cover some of the costs of this project. Uh the general levy is set to pick up about $1 million of the project and then assessments will pick up that remaining 45% to the tune of 1,216,814.40. This picture shows the accessible properties that are within the Hidden Valley neighborhood. Um all the properties in green are accessible single family homes. The properties that are blue are park properties. And it's important to note that the streets along park properties are paid for by the city. So the area the streets that front parks are not assessed per that 45% 55% ratio. The city pays 100% of the street costs in front of park properties. So, there were 229 accessible units within the Hidden Valley subdivision. In our um infrastructure task force policy, we call those accessible residential building buildable lot equivalents or RBLE. At the beginning of this project, which was last year around this time, our estimated assessment was $6,329.73. Every year with our pavement management project, we do a special benefit appraisal and then we look at the benefit to the property from having a street reconstruction done in front of their home. Our benefit appraisal uh was done on a few different properties in the neighborhood and it ranged from $7,400 to $8,300. So that supports our assessment which the final assessment after the construction project was finished came in at $5,31360. So, we were under budget and it was about $1,000 less than what we had anticipated. If a property owner would choose to um pay the assessment over a series of 15 years, the average annual payment would be $488. So, residents would have 30 days to pay the assessment in full without being charged any interest. if they do not pay that assessment in full, um they can pay partially as long as that payment is over $500. So any amount over $500 paid within the first 30 days will not be subject to interest. Any amount that isn't paid in the first 30 days would be um carried out over a period of 15 years at the interest rate of 4.6% which is 1 and a.5% over the city's bond rate. deferral is available uh for folks that meet those conditions. So, disabled or military, ages 65 and older. Uh we can work individually with property owners if they think they might qualify for those deferrals, but interest does still occur during that deferral period. And with that, the recommendations are on the screen before you and I'm happy to answer any questions. >> Thank you, Crystal. Is there uh first council, is there comments? Uh, Council Bolson, >> thank you very much for the presentation. Every time we um have to go through this process, there are some consistent questions that seem to come up and so I just want to touch base on a couple of those. The first is um you know whenever you're working uh in people's front yards there is a need to restore to the best of our ability um the the yard to the way that it was previously and that's not always easy to do. Um you know a lot of time there's some sod work or uh hydro seating or different things like that. And then we've got the added um challenge here of the fiber optic cable that's getting I think you said u completed the end of the month something like that. >> Correct. It's all installed. >> Okay. Okay. So I'm wondering if you can just clarify for us what is the game plan with respect to restoration? Are we thinking we're still going to try to do some things in this calendar year? Are we going to wait till spring? Um, how are we going to bring that online so that everybody feels as though uh they've been taken care of appropriately? >> Sure. Thanks for the question, Council Member Wilson. Uh, the restoration um against the curb that was removed and replaced with the pavement management project has been completed by the contractor and uh that grass is actually growing in quite nicely uh in comparison to other years that I've seen here. So, uh, that restoration nearest to the street is looking pretty good. The restoration due to the Gateway Fiber project is still ongoing. So, they are planting grass. They're putting some straw out to help, you know, the give the grass a chance at growing, but we will not close out that gateway project until the restoration is good. And it probably won't be closed out until next year at this point. >> Okay. So, we will continue to work with property owners, you know, into the spring if uh their grass isn't coming in, we'll keep working with them until it is. >> Yeah. And by close out, I think what you mean is, you know, we don't make final payment on that project until we're happy that it's done correctly. >> That's correct. We won't make final payment on the payment management project until we're satisfied with the results. Um we we also won't uh close out the gateway permit, right, >> until we're satisfied with what they've done. And then um in addition to that, I know that there's always uh periodic questions about, you know, driveway aprons and things. Did we run into any challenges there? >> Yep. There's always a series of challenges with driveway aprons. Um the expectations of some residents on driveways are different than the city standards that are, you know, specified in our project plans. Um, we study the driveway details to make sure that the driveway can stand up to typical residential traffic. And that driveway detail that we use is, you know, there's a concrete detail and there's an asphalt detail. Uh, that's the same driveway we use in every driveway that we end up reconstruct reconstructing in the subdivision. And that's what we did this year as well. >> Okay. Perfect. Thank you very much for that. >> Yes. >> Okay. Uh, council uh, council member Clawson. >> Um, I have one. I think it might be more for Brenda, though, but maybe you can try on it. This question has I've heard it come up and and again, it's um, it's about benefit assessments and a benefit assessment from what I understand is different than if you get your house assessed. There's a there's there's a difference and it can be very confusing and there were some uh, contentious moments last year trying to understand what this was. I'm wondering maybe if you can explain that for the audience a little better if you can. >> I will I will take a shot at that and if I'm incorrect um Brenda can help out or Corey. Um so >> is very good at benefit assessor just so you know she's she's really got it down. >> Who loves these? So uh the special benefit assessment or I'm sorry the special benefit appraisal uh that's different than a home appraisal. So, the home appraisal tells you what the value of the home is on the lot that it's on. The special benefit appraisal tells you what how the value of the home changes with the street the way that it was before the project and after the project. So, it tells you that the value of the home is increased when there's been a new street reconstruction project in front of the house. >> Okay. Yeah. Okay, >> I got a thumbs up. That's good. >> Thank you very much. >> Yes. >> If I recall, didn't we have a challenge to that last year? And that really didn't go well for them from what I recall. Is that right, >> your honor? Members of the council, as you know, special benefit appraisals are unique to each property, right? So we do a a random sampling of the project area to try to get what the maximum amount we could assess >> and then we analyze that and do an appropriate assessment amount. But we can't exceed what the special benefit appraisal that we've done. Then if somebody challenges their assessment, which anybody can do, we do a second appraisal to make sure a special benefit appraisal to make sure that that unique property is appropriately appraised for the value to make sure that we truly can support the amount that we assessed. So the random sampling, it is truly random, you know, that we try to take an average property. Uh if it's a corner lot, we'll try to do a corner lot. We'll try to do a middle of the block lot. We'll try to do, you know, residential versus commercial. to make sure that we're not exceeding a maximum amount that we could assess. But then what it boils down to in the end is the specific property and we'll make sure that we can uphold that. last year's there were two people I think it was two people that did challenge their assessments and they were eventually they did um I think they settled uh so we didn't actually go to a hearing uh but we would have been able to prove up the appraised value because we did get a second special benefit appraisal so we would do that in any situation if somebody wanted to challenge their assessment thank you >> thank you okay council member >> yes I did have someone calling ask about uh you know whether they'll actually get sent a bill and I and if I recall it we we do. I I guess I have the question does the 30 days start when they get their their bill or when they or tonight? >> Question. >> Brenda's got the answer. >> Thank you for the question. Council member Clson I'm sorry the um we will uh in the morning sorry I've got my Daves confused here tonight. Uh we will in the morning we have letters uh set to go uh that will be sent to the homeowners. Uh it is 30 days from the hearing date. So they will have um till November 14th to make that payment uh in full or some payment over $500. >> Okay. >> So and on that letter it gives that gives all the options of paying it in full, just letting it go onto the property taxes, making some kind of partial payment. um if they want to pay sometime in the future, uh they just contact the finance department. We give them that dollar amount at that point uh to pay that assessment off and then not incur any future interest on it. >> And and what do we estimate the uh percentage rate if they chose to finance it through their property taxes? >> The the interest rate is 4.6%. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Awesome. Any anybody else? Council West. >> Great. Thank you, Crystal. So, at this point, uh this is uh the opportunity I'm going to open the public hearing. Uh this is the time if anybody wants to come up and speak or ask questions is welcome to do so at this time. Uh is there anybody that would like to speak on this assessment? Anybody at all? All right. Uh seeing none, I guess I'll close the public hearing and uh council. Uh we do have uh uh number two that needs to be uh made a motion and a second if we move forward. >> Um mayor, I will uh move to adopt resolution 20254 to adopt the assessment for the 2025 payment management project. >> All right. So we have a mo motion by council member Clawson, second by council member Theiti. Any other discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor signify by saying I. >> I. Opposed. >> Motion carries. Thank you everyone. All right. Uh now we'll move on to our second public hearing uh which is the Cottage Grove Logistics Park second edition final plat and easement vacation. And Emily Schmidz, our community development director is going to take us through this one. Welcome Emily. Thank you, Mayor Councel. This evening uh is an easement vacation and preliminary and final plat um for the project uh that you are likely familiar with um in our uh business park, North Point or Cottage Grove Logistics Park. Um back in 2021, we approved their uh master plan that the time it was for nine buildings to be constructed within phases. In 2022, they came to us for their first phase and built the first two buildings as a part of their project. Um it's important to note that uh their project was proposed each on individual lots. So each of these buildings was proposed on an individual lot. However, there was shared infrastructure uh between each of these buildings that they were proposing. more specifically the parking as well as uh the storm water infrastructure. Um so through 2022 2023 they did build the first two buildings as well as uh the public improvements to 100 street ideal avenue and 105th street. uh the Cottage Grove Logistics Park team has come to us and said uh we are looking to be prepared for an opportunity if it should present itself on the outlot that has been preserved for the future phases of their development. Um in order to do so they want to make sure that the infrastructure uh that supports the uh two lots that have been created for buildings one and two is contained within each of those lots to support those buildings. So with that they are proposing to uh shift shift some lot lines and then as you can see I'm going to call it a little bit of cleanup perhaps is the best way to put it. Um uh outlot B uh came to uh be under Kaj logistics park ownership as a part of the Prairie Dunes uh residential development. Uh it's a long story but it just made practical sense for uh um the logistics park to own that parcel. And then outlot D on the south side of the project has always been under their ownership, but a separate parcel. And then you have the 5acre parcel in the southeast corner that has been under their ownership for a handful of years now as well. Um, and so they'll be incorporating that into that outlot to really clean up the area before they're able to actually uh record this new plat. Um, we have our standard 10- foot drainage and utility easements that I'm always chirping about up here. Um, that are along those property lines that we need to vacate so that they can shift those lot lines and replplat that 10-ft standard drainage and utility easement along the new lot lines as they shift those to incorporate the storm water infrastructure as I had indicated and the parking area within lot one um of the Cottage Grove Logistics Park. So, you will see um on our recommendation slide, you've got a couple of actions uh for that vacation. And then a couple of cleanup items that come along with this proposal as well. Um an emergency access, actually it was a temporary emergency access that you can see kind of on the northeast side of building 2 was constructed to ensure that we've got uh those two access points for emergency services. However, by uh incorporating or shifting those lot lines to ensure that building 2 can be standalone, um they are shifting that emergency access to actually access uh building two and the southwest corner. Um as you can see on the image here, um to ensure again that both of these buildings have two access points in the case of an emergency. And finally, uh, the storm water infrastructure that had been constructed to support, uh, building 2, uh, actually had a lot line that went right down the middle. So, they're looking to shift that lot line um to encompass the entirety of that storm water pond and then route that storm water uh to the west to an actual an existing pond um on the west side of the project instead of the original plan which uh uh pushed the water kind of south into future developable area. Um but in order again to preserve all of that uh within that lot they are proposing to add some additional infrastructure. The recommendations are before you this evening. Um I will make mention that in order to clean up that storm water maintenance agreement um when we have private storm water infrastructure we want to make sure it's maintained uh to our standards. Um we are rescending that and working through a brand new one. So you'll see that as part of the recommendation as well. But um I will certainly stand for any questions and I know a representative uh from North Point is here as well if you have direct questions for them. >> Great. Uh thank you uh Emily. Any questions councel on this one? I know we saw come through the planning commission in that too. So that's pretty okay. Since there is no questions uh nothing I don't think for the applicant at this point unless you wanted to say anything. You good? So I will go ahead and open the public hearing because this is a public hearing. Uh is there anybody that wants to speak for or against or ask questions on this item? Sorry. Anybody at all? >> No. >> Again. Hello there, council members. My name is Bonnie Matter. I'm at live at 6649 Insk Avenue South in Cottage Grove. And uh I guess I just want to share that uh I know that well in my mind this is a data center. If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, it's probably a duck. So I just have some concerns. uh 7224 uh there was Prairie Dunes the outlet B uh there was an agreement made uh so that transferred to someone else I don't know what it is it was an LLC 112524 uh there was a North Point conditional data center conditional uh use permit um outlay overlay over the north Point master site plan. 2525. The Prairie Dunes outlet B was deed to North Point. 32425 there was a zoning code update removing the planning commission from reviewing environmental documents. Okay, that was a that was a big red flag. 9:225 North PL uh point Preliminary Plat Planning Commission 10:1525 Cottage Grove Logistics Park second edition final plat my concerns are this I feel like there isn't a tr there's no transparency for the community the residents aren't being kept involved I don't want to hear I would hope, let me put it this way, I would hope that city staff and city council would not be involved in any NDA with that developer. So, uh, that's kind of where I'm at. And if this is a data center, then tell the community so that they can get their concerns voiced. My concerns are this, and I gave them at the planning committee meeting, but I didn't receive any feedback. When will the AUR be updated with the data center information, including the environmental information, and available for review and public comment. The issue here is that this does not fit within an AUR. It's just this is where they can put it. Who will occupy that data center? How much water will the data center use per day, per year? Where will the water come from? What is Cottage Grove's current water appropriation amount? Has the developer requested information on groundwater availability and local capacity? How many megawws, kilowatts, gigawatts will this data center require? What's the range? What type of backup power generation will be used during outages? And if so, how many? What are they? What kind of megawws are required? I just don't want us entering into anything that we're not letting the residents know about. I want transparency around this. And it's I have followed this step by step. I can give you dates. I can tell you what was said. And so I would just like the air cleared. If that's what you're going for, then tell people that's what you're going for and how it's going to impact this community because they're all over. Thank you. That's it. >> Thank you. >> All right. Was there anybody else that wants to speak on this item? Anybody? All right. I'm going to go ahead and and close the the public hearing. Um, and council, we do have uh three items unless anybody has any questions that they want to ask at this point. >> I'll go ahead and move that we adopt resolution 20251 vacating certain easements within the Cottage Grove Logistics Park Plat. >> All right. So, I have a motion by Council Member Theiti. Do I have a second? Oh, second by Council Member Garza. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor signify by saying I. I. >> I. Opposed. Motion carries. Uh, who would like to take number three? >> Mayor, I'll move to adopt resolution 2025-156 rescending, terminating, and releasing construction, repair, and maintenance agreements for storm water utilities, sanitary sewer, water main, and street lights for Cottage Grove Logistics Park. >> All right. So, I have a motion by Council Member Garza. Do I have a second? I'll >> second. Second by Council Member Clawson. Any discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor signify by saying I. I. >> I. Opposed. Motion carries. And number four. >> I'll move to adopt uh resolution 20252 approving the preliminary and final plat for Cottage Grove Logistics Park, second edition. >> All right. So, I have a motion by Council Member Clawson. Do I have a second? >> I'll second. >> Second by Council Member Olsen. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor signify by saying I. I I opposed. Motion carries. Uh what I thought I would share real quick uh if uh based on uh what was just shared uh during the during the uh public hearing um whatever would come on this site or frankly any other site in our community um will still have to go through the planning commission and also the city council. So at that particular point there'll be an opportunity for people to ask questions whatever that might be. So, I just wanted to throw that out there. Okay. >> All right. So, I'm I'm going to move to C, um, which is unpaid special charge assessment hearing. And, uh, Brenda Melanowski, our, uh, finance director, is going to take us through that. Welcome Brenda. Thank you, mayor, members of the council. Uh tonight in front of you is the assessment hearing uh for unpaid special charges. We do this annually. Um and um we are able to do this uh per our city code. Uh our city ordinance 4-3-1 uh refers to our noxious weeds and plants uh height restrictions. It states that's unlawful to allow or permit any growth of weeds or grasses to a great height greater than 8 in. Um, and then regarding disease trees, uh, that's city ordinance uh, 4-4-1. Um, and enforces those provisions in Minnesota statutes uh, chapter uh, 18G as it relates to the control of certain uh, tree diseases. Uh the process that we follow uh both for uh both those special charges um is outlined on the screen. Our code enforcement officer uh when they uh notice that something is not in compliant with our city code, they will mail a notice to our property owners uh with a 5-day notice uh to abate those conditions. Uh that code enforcement officer did uh send notices 79 times in 2025. uh if they do not abate those conditions in that fiveday uh time frame, a contractor is hired to abate those conditions. Uh that notice uh stated that that they had 5 days to do that. Um and three times in 2025, uh we did have to abate those conditions. Um and then the one time for the disease tree. Um in addition um on your assessment role tonight that you're adopting uh late in the fall last year we did abate uh some other um of those violations. Um so we have three from 2024. Uh after we abate those conditions an invoice is sent to the property owner. Uh so that happened uh on all those uh instances. Uh they can pay that invoice at that time. Um if they do not uh then we start the assessment process and that's where we are tonight. Um and so uh failure failure to pay the notice results in the cost being assessed pursuant uh to Minnesota statutes 429. So that happened three times in 25 plus the four three times in 2024. Uh we are here uh in front of you tonight to hold that public hearing. uh after the assessment is adopted, we will send another notice um out to those property owners giving them 30 more days to pay. Um if they do not, then we would certify it to be collected with the taxes. So we did this um on those um nuisance properties for those um those weed for the large grass or the tall grass and then the one instance this year for the tree the trees. Uh with that, uh the recommendations are on the screen, but um if you have any questions, uh we can answer those as well. >> Okay. Uh yes, uh Council Member Clawson. >> Uh thank you, Mary. Mayor, um there was a citizen came before the uh board here about a month ago and had some questions on disease tree, kind of a dispute with her with her neighbor. And I know we um spent a lot of time among staff and attorneys talking about that. And the consensus was we really don't want to get into the tree removal business, I guess. However, in this case, we kind of uh did, but I understand this is an old case. Can you kind of touch base on how we're kind of the fine line we're created maybe and just explain a little bit? >> Yep. I'm going to have uh community development uh Emily Schmidz come up and uh discuss that process a little bit more. >> Brenda, you don't want to take this? >> Nope. Mayor, Council Member Clawson, she scares away when it's not numbers related, right? Yeah. So, our code does allow us to address dead uh andor diseased uh trees. There is a difference between public and private nuisances, which is to be very clear um uh those nu public nuisances do impact a large number of folks, right? As opposed to maybe just one individual. Um, so we think about diseased trees. There is certainly an impact to the greater good and we do have the ability to remove and abate those trees. Um, dead trees, uh, depending, uh, you know, are they impacting the public rightway, are they hanging over a sidewalk, those type of things that are impacting a public nuisance, um, and other different types of scenarios. Um, we certainly want to be cognizant of of the availability of staff as well as the financial implication as it relates to if we were to uh address all dead trees throughout the community. That number um could be I will use an astronomical as an aggressive number, but you know it could be5 to$10,000 for each potential abatement that the city would have to uh take on um to do that removal. So this particular instance I would call it a unique instance and one of those instances that we took care of it. Um however we certainly don't want to as you had mentioned council member Clawson be in the business of removing trees. >> Thank you. Okay. Any other questions for Brenda or Emily? All right. So I will go ahead then and open the public hearing. Uh this is the opportunity if anybody wants to speak on this particular item is welcome to do at this time. Anybody at all? All right, then I guess I'll go ahead and close the public hearing. And uh council, we have uh item number two on the screen. >> Mayor, I'll move that we adopt resolution 2025-153 adopting unpaid service charges for the removal of noxious weed and plants and diseased trees from private property. Right. >> So, we have a motion by council member Olsson. Do I have a second? >> Second. >> Second by clawson. I'll go this way. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor signify by saying I. >> I. Opposed. >> Motion carries. Uh, thank you again, Brenda. >> All right. Uh, 10 is bid awards. There are none this evening. Regular agenda number 11. There is none this evening. So, we'll move to 12, which is council comments and requests. And I'll start with uh Council Member Clawson. >> Nothing tonight, Mayor. Thank you. >> Awesome. Thank you. How about uh Council Member Olsen? >> Thank you, Mayor. Um, briefly just want to thank the Cottage Grove Fire Department and in particular, uh, Fire Marshall Bill King for organizing what was a very successful fire department open house took place on, uh, last Tuesday, this or was it Thursday? It was the 7th, I believe. Um, had the opportunity to be there as I know many of the other council members were and I saw you there as well, mayor. um very very busy, lot of uh families and Cottage Grove residents who came to the open house and um for a gorgeous fall night. Uh very nice to see so many people out there. Um every year when we do the open house, there's sort of a theme around that. So, I know that the fire department was uh handing out a lot of information on lithium batteries and uh safety profile of lithium batteries and what you may or may not choose to do with those around your home. Uh and it looked like um we also had several other nonprofits from the community that were there as well. So, kudos to the fire department team for putting together another uh really nice event. And then I also just wanted to mention that um last year on Halloween um Mike Dandel from the fire department had a really neat idea to hold uh kind of a drive-thru trick-or- treat event at the fire department. And we've done different things uh in the parking lot at the fire department in the past where we've had the truck out there etc. and handed out candy to uh the trick-or-treaters. But this year, they didn't even have to get out of their or last year rather, they didn't have to even get out of their car. They could drive right through one of the apparatus bays and uh show off their costumes and meet some real life firefighters and uh get a little something for their trick-or- treat bag. And we're doing that again this year. So on Halloween, um if if you're out with, you know, a group of friends or uh you know, families who are out with the the young kids and you're looking for a neat opportunity, I believe it starts at 6:00 at the fire department and we'll run until approximately 7:00 p.m. Um just come on over to fire station number two on 80th Street across from St. Rita's. Uh show off your costumes, meet your favorite firefighters, and uh fill your bag on the city of Cottage Grove. uh very safe, very friendly, and if the weather's not cooperative, it's going to be really nice. You don't even have to get out of the car. So, with that, Mayor, I'll turn it back to you. >> All right. Uh thank you, Council Member Bolson. Council member Theiti. >> Okay. Well, I'll mention the Monster Bash parade, which is October 25th at 10 a.m. That's a week from this coming Saturday. Again, it it runs from the administrative uh center, the school district administrative center down to right around Applebees. And uh it uh the uh if you go out to cottaggrovestrawberryfest.com, you can get a registration form to to sign up to be in the parade. You will see that it says today was the final day, but I think there's some spaces open if you actually got uh things in this week yet. So, uh you know, round up your costume and get your friends and come out and be in a parade >> and get some candy. >> Reminds me of a song. Let's see. I start No, I won't sing it. >> No, please. >> All right. Thank you, Council Member Biti. How about Council Member Garza? Thank you, mayor. I'll just mention um right after Halloween, we always have a lot of fun chucking pumpkins. So, it looks like we're changing the location this year to Oakwood Park. Um and that starts on November 4th at 2:30. So, if you have some pumpkins that you'd like to chuck in different types of ways, I'd say bring them out and and watch them roll. >> Good. Thank you. Awesome. All right. I actually have uh three items real quick. I have the most out of the group here tonight. Uh one is uh uh the last day to submit your essay to be mayor uh for the day uh is this coming Friday. Uh which is for ages 8 through uh 12 uh years old. And it just is basically about 250 words or less. Uh just explaining why you would like to be the mayor of Cottage Grove for a day and what your vision is uh for the community. And then of course send a picture uh uh attachment with your essay so we can uh see who you are and get a copy of the essay. Is that correct? There we go. Um it's always fun and there's all kinds of stuff when you get chosen to be mayor for a day that you get to uh do including driving the Zamboni at the ice arena, which I still haven't done yet. So before I'm done being mayor, I've got to go up there and and do that. But uh lot of neat things. And then uh we get to have a a little pizza party here at the before a council meeting. and you get to help me uh open up the meeting, do the pledge of allegiance and and so on. So, it's a great great opportunity for our youth in the community. Uh so, uh if you're interested or you have a child or know somebody that will be, again, the ages are 8 through 12. Uh feel free to uh submit it by this coming Friday. Uh second item I just want to mention, uh believe it or not, we're literally now getting into the holiday uh uh uh process here as we're getting into November and December. And I thought I would just share I've seen little snippets out on social media that I just I did want to give everybody an update that uh the holiday train will be coming back to Cottage Grove. Uh it'll be coming and it's going to be a great day. Hopefully it'll be a nice day. Uh it'll be Saturday the 13th of December at about 5:15 5 between 5:15 5:45 uh down along uh West Point Douglas Road near the Youth Service Bureau. Uh and of course the proceeds uh that are raised for this go to the friends in need food shelf here in uh in St. Paul Park Cottage Grove area. So um I know the committee is uh feverishly working on uh raising funds on that to support the friends in need food shelf and we do want to obviously thank uh CPKC rail uh which they're combined now uh for their generous uh donations of cash but also uh doing this around the entire country or countries because it's in Canada too. um and planning to come back again this year. So, uh we're really uh excited to see them uh come back this year. So, uh please uh go out uh and put that on your calendar and then uh support uh the Friends of Need Food Shelf. And then one other thing kind of piggybacking on that. uh Thursday, December 4th, uh here at city hall, we'll be having our hometown holiday celebration and that will begin at 5:00 uh with Santa, um carolers, movies, treats, tree lighting, all that kind of fun stuff here at uh city hall. There's a lot of things to see. Our parks and recck department does an amazing job of putting up decorations out in the blowups and all that kind of stuff out in the out in the yard or out in I say the yard, but out behind city hall here. So, I encourage everybody to come out and have some fun with this. Uh there'll be food trucks and such here, too. So, you can actually come out here and have dinner and uh dessert. And then the last thing, which are I I didn't share this with our staff, so I'm Jennifer's going, "Oh, boy." Um, I actually saw um I was tagged on a on a comment on social media and I thought it would be kind of interesting. I asked a I was at a meeting earlier today and I I talked to a couple other mayors of other communities and what what the question or the thing I've been tagged on in social media uh has to do with ebikes and you know the laws or lack thereof or ordinances or whatever. So, um, at a meeting I was at earlier today, I actually happened to talk to a couple different mayors, and I actually talked to Mayor Hublin, uh, who is the Edina mayor, and they just in the last uh earlier this year passed an ordinance because they're having the same issues it appears that we're having with um the the bigger bikes, if you will, the ones that go faster and such on trails and hitting pedestrians, hitting cars, and things like that. So, what I'm just going to ask our staff to do is maybe reach out to the city of Edina just to see what they have and then maybe at some point in time council we might want to have whether we do it yet this year as part of our workshop in January. Uh maybe a conversation along with our city attorney about is there something that we should be looking at that would also help our public safety team uh if there is something or if they're saying hey we can handle it without an ordinance or something to that effect. I'm just want to make sure that you have the tools in your toolbox uh to deal with some of these uh unfortunate incidents that it it appears that are happening around our community uh with this new way of getting around town, I guess. So, and we want everybody to be safe and have uh fun in our parks, but again, the key word there is safe and and sharing the trails with um walkers. So, that was just my only comment I wanted to throw out there. Uh 13 on our agenda this evening is a workshop which is open to the public. It's uh regarding the standards of coverage study and the community risk assessment preliminary overview. Uh we will be actually doing that I believe in our training room. Uh there is no workshops closed to this uh to the public and uh so we won't be adjourning in here. We will be adjourning uh in the training room. So everybody have a great evening and uh we'll see you at the monster bash pray in about a week. >> There you go.