This transcript has been formatted with speaker names based on the provided context of the Bloomington City Council and staff. Please note that several names in the raw transcript were phonetically misspelled (e.g., "Gail Sandra" for Dallessandro, "Bussey" for Busse, "Martin" for Robertson, and "Coulter" for Rivas). *** **[00:00:00] Mayor Tim Busse:** TO EVERYONE AND WELCOME. I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING OF THE BLOOMINGTON CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER MONDAY THE 24TH OF OCTOBER IN 2022. THANK FOR BEING HERE WITH US THIS EVENING IN THE CHAMBERS. THANKS FOR EVERYBODY WHO'S TUNING ONLINE. WE'RE GOING TO START OUR MEETING AS WE ALWAYS DO. IF YOU COULD PLEASE STAND AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH HE STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. **[00:00:45] Mayor Tim Busse:** ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE. FIRST ORDER OF ITEM OF ORDER TONIGHT WE HAVE TO APPROVE OUR AGENDA ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT COUNCIL WE TWO INTRODUCTORY ITEMS WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION REGARDING NATIVE AMERICAN HERITAGE MONTH AND AN UPDATE ON OUR PARK PLANNING OUR PARK PROJECT PLANNING CONSENT BUSINESS WE HAVE ONLY FOUR ITEMS ON THE CONSENT BUSINESS TONIGHT'S COUNCILMEMBER CARTER WILL BE HANDLING THE CONSENT ITEMS FOR US NOTHING UNDER ITEM FOR OUR HEARINGS, RESOLUTIONS AND ORDINANCES BUT UNDER ORGANIZATIONAL BUSINESS WE DO HAVE SIX ITEMS THE FIRST BEING ITEM 5.1 WHICH IS THE CONSIDERATION THE ARTISTRY REQUEST FOR FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE, A PUBLIC COMMENT PORTUNITY WE HE THEN SOME BUDGET DISCUSSIONS MANY OF WHICH WE KIND OF PUNTED ON LAST WEEK BECAUSE WE RAN UP AGAINST THE DEADLINE FOR OUR TIME. 5.2 WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY. 5.3 WE'LL TALK PUBLIC SAFETY 5.4 WE'LL TALK FLEET AND FACILITIES, INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS AND PUBLIC GENERAL FUND BUDGETS AND 5.5 WE WILL TALK TO THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT BUDGET AND WE WILL WRAP UP THE NIGHT AS WE ALWAYS DO WITH ITEM 5.6 OUR CITY COUNCIL POLICY AND ISSUE UPDATE THE COUNCIL ANY CORRECTIONS OR UPDATES TO TONIGHT'S AGENDA HEARING NONE. I WOULD MOVE APPROVAL OF TONIGHT'S AGENDA AS STATED SECOND AND A MOTION IN A SECOND TO ACCEPT TONIGHT'S AGENDA NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSE MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO WE HAVE AN AGENDA FOR FIRST ITEM ON THAT AGENDA IS A PROCLAMATION FOR NATIVE AMERICAN HERITAGE MONTH AND I'M GOING TO HEAD DOWN TO THE PODIUM HERE. **[00:02:15] Mayor Tim Busse:** SO NOVEMBER IS OFFICIALLY NATIVE AMERICAN HERITAGE MONTH. THAT'S A TIME TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND TO CELEBRATE OUR HISTORY AND THE CULTURE AND THE TRADITIONS OF THE NATIVE AMERICAN PEOPLES WHO CALLED CALLED BLOOMINGTON AND MINNESOTA HOME AND HAVE FOR CENTURIES. IT'S ALSO ABOUT EDUCATING THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE TRIBES AND RAISE AWARENESS ABOUT THE UNIQUE CHALLENGES FACED BY NATIVE AMERICAN PEOPLE BOTH PAST AND PRESENT TIMES. SO OUR FIRST AND ONLY PROCLAMATION EVENING OF NATIVE AMERICAN HERITAGE MONTH NOVEMBER 2022 WHEREAS DURING NATIVE AMERICAN HERITAGE MONTH WE CELEBRATE THE RICH TAPESTRY OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLES AND HONOR THEIR VIBRANT AND DIVERSE CULTURES WHICH WE RECOGNIZE AS INEXTRICABLY WOVEN INTO THE HISTORY AND PRESENT TIMES OF THIS COUNTRY. AND. WHEREAS THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON IS BUILT ON LANDS ONCE KNOWN BY NATIVE AMERICANS AS WHERE THE WATER TOUCHES THE BLUFFS AND WHERE SACRED BURIAL MOUNDS OF THE ONES WHO BEFORE US REMAIN. AND. WHEREAS, NATIVE AMERICANS HAVE LONG AND RICH HISTORY AND PRESENCE IN BLOOMINGTON INCLUDING DAKOTA OJIBWE AND IOWA INDIANS AND WE RECOGNIZE THE 11 TRIBAL NATIONS THAT CALL MINNETA HOME. AND. WHEREAS THE BLOOMINGTON CITY COUNCIL RESOLVES TO SUPPORT THEIR LEGACY AND PRESERVE THEIR SACRED HERITAGE GENERATIONS TO COME. AND. WHEREAS, THE BLOOMINGTON CITY COUNCIL INCLUDES AND INCLUSION AS ONE OF ITS STRATEGIC PRIORITIES AND STRIVES TO MAKE CONTINUED AND MEANINGFUL PROGRESS TOWARD EQUITY AND INCLUSION FOR NATIVE AMERICANS. AND. WHEREAS, THE BLOOMINGTON CITY COUNCIL RECOMMIT TO SUPPORTING NATIVE AMERICANS AND WORKING SIDE BY SIDE WITH THEIR LEADERS TO SECURE STRONGER AND SAFER COMMUNITIES. AND. WHEREAS, DURING THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER WE COMMEMORATE THE RICH AND DIVERSE CULTU OF NATIVEMERICAN PEOE AND RECOGNIZE THEIR CONTINUED CONTRIBUTIONS AND STRENGTHENING OF THE DIVERSITY OF OUR SOCIETY. NOW THEREFORE I'M MAYOR TIM BUSSE DO HEREBY PROCLAIM NOVEMBER AS NATIVE AMERICAN HERITAGE MONTH IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON DATED THIS 24TH DAY OF OCTOBER 2020 SECOND. **[00:04:30] Mayor Tim Busse:** AS I SAID, THIS IS AN ANNUAL ALL RIGHT MET NOT A SETBACK IT'S AN ANNUAL PROCLAMATION WE REVISIT THE CITY OF THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PROCLAMATION CONSIDERING THE HISTORY OF THIS COMMUNITY WHERE OUR COMMUNITY IS AND AND WHAT STILL REMAINS THIS COMMUNITY BOTH BOTH LEGACY AND CURRENT DAY ARE REMINDERS OF THE HISTORY TT OF THIS AREA THE PEOPLE WHO CAME HERE WELL BEFORE US AND THE LEGACY THEY LEFT BEHIND SO VERY HAPPY AND PROUD TO PROCLAIM NOVEMBER IS NATIVE AMERICAN HERITAGE MONTH HERE IN BLOOMINGTON. ADAM TOO ON OUR AGENDA IS A PARK PROJECT PLANNING UPDATE. RENEE CLARK, OUR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND PARK PROJECTS IS HERE TO LEAD US THROUGH OUR PROJECT THIS PRESENTATION. GOOD EVENING. WELCOME. **[00:05:15] Renee Clark:** GOOD EVENING MAYOR BUSSE AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. THANK YOU. I'M EXCITED TO BE AT THIS IN THE PLANNING PROCESS WHERE WE WEN FROM PARK MTER LOOKING AT OUR PARK SYSTEM TO NOW LOOKING AT INDIVIDUAL PARK AND ENVISIONING WITH YOU ALL AND OUR COMMUNITY WHAT THOSE CAN LOOK LIKE. TONIGHT I'M GOING TO COVER JUST A BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THE PARK MASTER PLAN AND HOW WE ARE MOVING THOSE NEXT STEPS FORWARD THROUGH THIS PROJECT. TALK ABOUT PROCESS SCHEDULE AND KEY MILESTONES FOR THE PARK PLANNING WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW REQUEST OF COUNCIL TO REVIEW THE PLANS AND NEXT STEPS IN THE PROJECT. FIRST TO RECALL THAT THE PARK MASTER PLAN WE DID TOGETHER WITH YOU AND THE COMMUNITY IS A GUIDING DOCUMENT TO HELP US MAKE ABOUT WHERE TO INVEST IN OUR LARGE PARK SYSTEM OF 97 PARKS KNOWING THAT WE CAN'T EFFECTIVELY MAKE CHANGES TO EVERYTHING AT ONCE. SO IT'S A ROADMAP BUT NOT AN INDIVIDUAL PLAN FOR PARKS. THROUGH EXTENSIVE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THESE FOUR PRIORITY PARK ELEMENTS EMERGED AND GUIDING TO THE WORK THAT WE DO IN OUR PARK PLANNING RESOURCES TRAILS, NEW PARK AMENITIES AND AND YOU'LL SEE THES THEMES THROUGHOUT THE PLANS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PARK MASTER PLAN CONCLUDES SECTION FOUR A4 OF HOW WE GET THERE AND INCLUDES A SPECIFIC ACTION PLAN WITH ACTIONS IN TEN CATEGORIES. **[00:06:45] Renee Clark:** THIS PROJECT ADDRESSES THE SIX CATEGORIES THAT I'VE HIGHLIGHTED HERE INCLUDING THE TOP PRIORITY ACTION AREAS. ALL TOGETHER WE'RE ADDRESSING 15 RECOMMENDATIONS IN THESE SIX CATEGORIES THROUGH THIS SPECIFICALLY IN THE ACTION PLAN. THE LEVEL OF SERVICE SECTION SAYS TO UPDATE PARK PLANS TO MEET CURRENT RESIDENT NEEDS UTILIZING A COMMUNITY DRIVEN PLANNING PROCESS TO ENSURE NEIGHBORHOOD NEEDS ARE CONSIDERED AND ALL ARE INCORPORATED INTO REDEVELOPMENT PLANS. AND THIS WAS A KEY GUIDING PRINCIPLE FROM THE PARK MASTER WORK WE DID THAT OUR WORK WOULD BE DONE TOGETHER WITH THE COMMUNITY. THE PROJECT THE IS PARK CONCEPT PLANNINGS FOR NINE INDIVIDUAL PARKS ARE SHOWN ON THE SCREEN FROM STARTING WITH SUNRISE SOUTHWOOD BROOKSIDE BAR, POPLAR BRIDGE, BRYANT SMITH RUNNING AND KELLEY THROUGH THE CONTRACT THAT WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW WITH THIS PROJECT WE ARE ALSO TAKING BRYANT PARK AND TRIP OFF PARK TO 30% DESIGN DEVELOPMENT TO PREPARE FOR 2024 CAPITAL PROJECTS AT THOSE SITES. IDENTIFIED IN OUR CIP THE SITES WERE SELECTED LARGELY TO SITE MAJOR PARK AMENITIES. THE PARK MASTER PLAN THROUGH COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WITH OUR STAFF COUNCIL AND COMMISSIONS IDENTIFIED LOCATIONS FOR MAJOR PARK AMENITIES SHOWN ON THIS MAP. THIS MAP WAS CREATED WITH INPUT THROUGH THAT PROCESS SITING LOCATIONS OF SHELTER BUILDINGS, INCLUSIVE PLAY AREAS AND OTHER MAJOR. **[00:08:15] Renee Clark:** AND SO THIS IS WHERE WE HOW WE'RE GUIDED PLAN THE NINE PARKS WITH THE SHELTER BUILDINGS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW AND WHY WE'RE DOING THIS PROJECT FIRST. SO TO SUPPORT FINANCIAL PLANNING HELP GUIDE THE ESTIMATES THAT WE PUT IN OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN YEAR. SECONDLY TO SITE MAJOR PARK AMENITIES LIKE PLAYGROUNDS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NEW INCLUSIVE PLAYGROUNDS, PARK SHELTER BUILDINGS. ALL ARE RELIANT AND AFFECTED BY A SIT REDEVELOPNT. ERALL THESE PLANS WILL ALLOW US TO INCREMENTALLY MAKE CHANGES TO PARKS LIKE REPLACEMENT OF A PLAYGROUND AT SMITH THAT THE COUNCIL AUTHORIZED THROUGH COMMUNITY STRATEGIC PRIORITIES MONEY FOR NEXT YEAR WILL BE DOING THAT ABSENT A FULL PARK RENOVATION. BUT GUIDED BY THE CONCEPT PLANS THAT WE'RE DOING THROUGH THIS PROJECT. IT'LL IDENTIFY IN THE SAME WAY OPPORTUNITIES TO DO WATER AND NATURAL RESOURCES RESTORATION IN OUR PARKS. IT'S ONGOING WORK ANDT'LL BE GUIDED BY THI WORK THROU. THE CONCEPT PLANS THAT WERE DEVELOPED MEAN DEVELOPING. AND THEN JUST TO NOTE NOW I'LL REMIND US ALL AT THE END THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT DOESN'T STOP WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH THE CONCEPT PLANS. COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT CONTINUES WHEN CONCEPT PLANS COME UP IN AND MOVE INTO DESIGN DEVELOPMENT AS WELL. THIS WORK IS BEING LED BY PARKS AND MYSELF IN PARKS AND RECREATION BUT INCLUSIVE OF A LARGE DESIGN TEAM FROM SEVERAL DEPARTMENT ACROSS THE CITY. AND I JUST WANTED TO NOTE ALL THOSE THAT ARE WORKING REALLY HARD WITH ME ON THE PROJECT. **[00:09:45] Renee Clark:** SO THEN THE PROCESS I'VE DEVELOPED INTO FOUR CATEGORIES WHERE WE STARTED BY GOING TO THE COMMUNITY AND GETTING TESTING IDEAS FOR WHAT KINDS OF EXPERIENCES AND THINGS DO YOU WANT TO DO IN PARKS. SO WE TESTED IDEAS NOT AN INDIVIDUAL PARK BASIS BUT GENERALLY WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO AND SEE THIS PARK? THEN WE TOOK THAT IDEAS WORKED WITH STAFF TO DEVELOP TWO CONCEPT PLANS THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY TESTING WILL FINALIZE THOSE CONCEPT PLANS INTO ONE SINGLE PLAN FOR EACH OF THE NINE PARKS AND THEN TAKE BRYANT AND TREVOR AGAIN TO A 30% DESIGN. SO THE INITIATE PHASE WAS LARGELY AN COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. WE USED LET'S TALK BLOOMINGTON DID EVENTS WITH ICE CREAM AND ALL NINE PARKS YOU CAN SEE IN THE BACKGROUND COUNCILMEMBER D'ALESSANDRO WITH OUR ICICLE TRICYCLE WHERE WE ENCOURAGED PEOPLE TO COME OUT FOR ICE CREAM AND THEIR THOUGHTS WE DID THIS AND ALL NINE PARKS. WE AVERAGE ABOUT RESIDENTS AT EACH PARK. WE TO SUMMER FED HAD WENT TO THE FARMER'S MARKET CREEKSIDE SOUTHGATE AS WELL AS THE KENNEDY HIGH SCHOOL MORE RECENTLY WITH THE TWO CONCEPTS WE THEN TOOK THOSE TWO CONCEPTS. ALL THE INFORMATION WE GOT AND HAD WHAT WE CALLED PARK A PALOOZA WE DID AN INFORMATIONAL VIDEO ABOUT THAT THAT YOU MAY HAVE SEEN ON BLOOMINGTON BUZZ AND OUR WEBSITE BUT WE INVITED THE PLANNING TEAM THAT YOU SAW EARLIER OF STAFF TO COME WITH OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS WHICH WERE STATIONED ONE PARK AND LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT PER TABLE AND STAFF PROVIDED INPUT IT WAS A ONE DAY EVENT. WE HAD A REALLY LARGE PARTICIPATION FROM ACROSS CITY AND ONE OF THE MOST FUN THINGS I'VE BEEN A PART OF IN MY CAREER IT WAS IT WAS REALLY FUN FUN TO SEE THE LANDSCAPE AT WORK AS WELL AS LEARNING FROM ALL MY COLLEAGUES THAT INFORMATION ALONG WITH EVERYTHING COLLECTED FROM THE PUBLIC WAS SYNTHESIZED INTO THE TWO PLANS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY. **[00:11:15] Renee Clark:** TONIGHT I'M HERE WITH THE CONCEPT PLANS AS WELL AS A CONCEPT A PARK SHELTER BUILDING WHICH IS BEING DONE ON THE SAME TIMELINE UNDER A SEPARATE CONSULTANT CONTRACT TO ASK FOR COUNCIL'S INPUT AND HOW I'D LIKE TO RECEIVE THAT INPUT FOR FOR EFFICIENCY VERSUS DISCUSSION AT A MEETING IS INFORMATION THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE COUNCIL PACKET TONIGHT WAS PROVIDED HARD COPY THE SET OF NINE CONCEPT PLANS AND THE BUILDING PARK BUILDING CONCEPT WITH THELOOR PLAN. IF COUNCIL COULD PLEASE REVIEW THOSE AND SHARE YOUR COMMENTS TO US THROUGH A MAT UP WHAT YOU KNOW THINK OF QUESTIONS LIKE WHAT'S TOO MUCH? WHAT DO YOU THINK MIGHT BE MISSING? WHAT ARE THINGS KNOW EITHER PARK SPECIFIC OR GENERALLY IN THE PARK SYSTEM THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE US INCLUDE INCLUDE IN BLOOMINGTON. OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE ASKED YOU KNOW STAFF TEAMS AND COMMISSION DISTRIBUTION OF AMENITIES ACROSS CITY. CHANGE OF USE FIELDS COURTS THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING VERY CLOSELY AT TO WHAT ALSO TALKING ABOUT THIS WITH OUR ATHLETIC ASSOCIATIONS. I'D LIKE TO RECEIVE INPUT BY A WEEK FROM TOMORROW NOVEMBER 1ST. WE WILL USE THAT INPUT ALONG WITH THE OTHER INPUT WE'VE RECEIVED TO FINALIZE HIS GOAL FROM 2 TO 1 CONCEPTS AND THAT START WITH A STAFF WORKSHOP A LITTLE BIT SMALLER THAN PARK PALOOZA BUT I'LL A HALF DAY A LITTLE MORE THAN A HALF DAY WORKSHOP WITH OUR DESIGN TO GIVE THEM DIRECTION ON HOW TO MAKE THESE CONCEPT INTO ONE CONCEPTS PER PARK. THOSE WILL BE DONE IN THE DECEMBER TIME FRAME AND COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC FOR VETTING THROUGH ABOUT THE END OF FEBRUARY WHERE. WE WILL THEN BE BRINGING JUST BRIAN TREVOR BACK FOR YOUR REVIEW SO WE CAN CONTINUE THOSE ON THE PATH TO 30% DESIGN. AT THE SAME TIME WE'LL BE FINALIZING THE CONCEPTS THE OTHER SEVEN PARKS IN APRIL TIMEFRE AND TRAP US 30% DESIGN AND THE OTHER SEVEN PARK CONCEPT DESIGNS WILL COME FOR COUNCIL FOR FINAL APPROVAL. SO AT THAT THANK YOU AND I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU. **[00:13:00] Mayor Tim Busse:** THANK YOU, MISS CLARK. THAT'S A VERY DENSE PROJECT. IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT GOING ON AND IT'S VERY THOROUGH AND COMPLETE EVERY STEP OF THE WAY AND I APPRECIATE THAT SO. WELL DONE. AND YOU MENTIONED THIS WON'T BE THE NEXT STEP, WON'T BE AS BIG AS PARK A PALOOZA. I CAN'T IMAGINE IT BEING BIGGER THAN PARK PALOOZA REALLY. IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SMALLER IN ONE WAY, SHAPE OR FORM BUT I APPRECIATE THAT AND I APPRECIATE THE THE INFORMATION AND AND WE WILL GET THIS COUNCIL WE WILL COMMIT TO GETTING COMMENTS BACK BY THE 1ST OF NOVEMBER WHEN WE'RE NOT ABSOLUTELY VERY GOOD WE WILL COUNCIL TUESDAY. THAT'S NEXT TUESDAY. I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING ON HALLOWEEN NIGHT SO COUNCILMEMBER D'ALESSANDRO. **[00:13:45] Councilmember Lona Dallessandro:** THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. THANKS FOR THE CAMEOS IN THE PRESENTATION RENEE. IF YOU SEE THA THAT'S HARDER TO DRIVE THAN YOU THINK. SO IF YOU SAW ME FAIL AT IT, THEN A QUICK QUESTION. CAN YOU DESCRIBE FOR US JUST THE VOLUME OF COMMENTS THAT YOU GOT THE COURSE OF THE TIME THAT YOU WERE OUT WITH THE COMMUNITY CAN JUST SHARE WITH US NOT NECESSARILY SPECIFICS BUT YOU CAN KIND OF TELL US HOW MANY DIFFERENT KINDS OF FOLKS YOU TALKED TO AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT THAT'LL BE GREAT. **[00:14:15] Renee Clark:** THANK YOU. MR. MAYOR, COUNCILMEMBER D'ALESSANDRO, THANK FOR THE QUESTION AND WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE PARTICIPATION I ESTIMATED ABOUT 30 ATTENDEE E'S PER SITE WHICH WE WENT TO TWICE SO 549 NINE PARKS TWICE. WE REALLY FELT THE NEIGHBORS WERE REPRESENTED IN THE IN THE VISITS WE HAD ABOUT 1900 VISITS TO LET'S TALK BLOOMINGTON WITH 254 COMMENTS AND ESTIMATING YOU KNOW, MEETING HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE AT EVENTS INCLUDING THE SUMMER FED AND FARMER'S MARKET PARTICULARLY WE'VE HAD A SHORT BLURB IN THE BRIEFINGS THIS SUMMER REFERRING PEOPLE TO LET'S TALK BLOOMINGTON MAILED POSTCARDS TO RESIDENTS ALL WITHIN A ONE MILE RADIUS OF THE PARKS SO AS TO SHARE INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROJECT. SO THAT THAT'S KIND OF A BRIEF SNAPSHOT OF THE SUMMARY OF PEOPLE WE'VE BEEN MEETING SHE TALKED T A LOT OF LKS WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY GOT SOME ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. **[00:15:15] Councilmember Dwayne Lowman:** I JUST WANT TO SAY JUST THANK YOU I MEAN THIS IS IT'S INCREDIBLE HAVING HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE HOW THESE PARKS HAVE BEEN. WHEN I WAS YOUNGER TO SEE HOW NOW IT'S GOING TO SERVE A NEW GENERATION OF YOUNG FOLKS PERHAPS MAYBE MY IT SO I JUST AGAIN JUST THANK YOU AND I JUST LOVE THE THE ENGAGEMENT IN THE PROCESS AND I THINK THAT'S ALL I REALLY WANT TO SAY THANK Y THANK AND THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR ABSOLUTE PATIENCE THANK LOOKING FORWARD AS THIS PROCESS MOVES ALONG AND I'M ENCOURAGED BY IT I THINK STEP OF THE WAY FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE PARK MASTER PLANNING PROCESS IT HAS REALLY BEEN A AS I SAID, A THOROUGH AND EXACTING. I THINK THAT BRINGS OUT THE BEST ANSWERS TO THE ANY OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE. SO KUDOS TO YOU FOR THE WORK THAT YOU'VE PUT INTO THIS AND THE WORK YOU'RE GOING TO CONTINUE AS WE GET BLOOMINGTON PARKS UPDATED AND READY FOR THE NEXT GENERATION OF DUANE'S TO PLAY ON SO AND SO GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU THANK YOU. **[00:16:30] Mayor Tim Busse:** AND I'M THREE ON OUR AGENDA IS OUR CONSENT BUSINESS COUNCILMEMBER CARTER HAS CONST BUSINESS TS EVENING COUNCILMEMR CARTER, DOOU THINK. **[00:16:45] Councilmember Jenna Carter:** MAYOR I HAVE NOT HEARD OF ANY HOLDS. DOES ANYBODY WANT TO HOLD ANYTHING? OKAY, I DON'T SEE ANY. SO WITH THAT I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE POINT ONE THROUGH 3.4. **[00:17:00] Mayor Tim Busse:** SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER CARTER SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN TO ACCEPT CONSENT AGENDA YOU KNOW FOR THE COUNCIL DISCUSSION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I, I OPPOSE THE MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO AS I MENTIONED WE HAVE NOTHING UNDER ITEM FOR TONIGHT OUR HEARINGS AND RESOLUTIONS AND ORDINANCES WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM 5.1 AND THE CONSIDERATION OF THE ARTISTRY REQUEST FOR FINANCIAL WITH A PUBLIC COMMENT OPPORTUNITY A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANT TO DO HERE. WE'LL FRAME IT UP REALLY QUICK AND THEN I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS THIS EVENING WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY GETS AN OPPORTUNITY WE'RE GOING TO LIMIT COMMENTS TO 3 MINUTES EACH AND WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AND WE WILL WE WILL TALK OUR WAY THROUGH THIS ONCE WE CLOSED THE PUBLIC COMMENT OPPORTUNITY WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION AMONG STAFF UP HERE AND WE WILL WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH ANY DECISION THAT WOULD BE MADE. SO COUNCIL ARE WE WENT THROUGH THIS IN GREAT DETAIL LAST WEEK AND YOU KNOW THE THE ISSUE BEFORE US YOU SAW THE THE MEMO FROM THE CITY MANAGER ABOUT THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT WE HAD BROUGHT FORWARD THAT HE HAS FORWARD. UM, MR. WALKER, YOU MOVE YOUR MICROPHONE. DID YOU WANT SAY SOMETHING OR I WASN'T SURE IF YOU WERE GOING TO CHIME IN HERE. **[00:18:15] Zach Walker:** I WAS JUST PREPARING FOR QUESTIONS. **[00:18:20] Mayor Tim Busse:** OH, VERY GOOD. VERY GOOD. THE THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT WERE LAID OUT BY STAFF. THE FIRST WAS TO OBVIOUSLY FUND ARTISTRY TO APPROVE THE $750,000 LOAN OPTION NUMBER TWO WOULD BE TO REJECT THE $750,000 LOAN BUT TO MAINTAIN PROGRAMING AND THAT WOULD CONTINUE FOR PRIMARY AREAS OF OPERATION IN THE ASSUMPTION THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE BOX OFFICE, THE GALLERY PROGRAMS ONSITE, EDUCATION ONLY AND TUITION BASED CLASSES AND THEN A SCENARIO WHERE THE SCHNEIDER THEATER WOULD BE USED AS A I WOULD HOST TRAVELING PRODUCTIONS AND I THINK IS DESCRIBED AS ROADHOUSE THEATER SCENARIO IN THE IN THE AGENDA PACKET AND THEN THE THE FINAL WOULD BE OPTION THREE WOULD BE NO FUNDING AND MINIMAL PROGRAMING WHICH I THINK CAN BE YOU CAN PROBABLY SHAPE UP IN YOUR MIND WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF THE NO FUNDING AND THE LACK OF PROGRAMING THAT WE WOULD HAVE AND THAT WOULD THAT WOULD BASICALLY END UP AS YOU SEE IN THE AGENDAACKET THE SCENARIOS ROUGHLY $230,000. THE BOX OFFICE OPERATION WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY $110,000 FOR STAFFING AND SOFTWARE VISUAL ARTS WOULD BE ROUGHLY $95,000 FOR STAFFING AND TECHNICAL OPERATIONS WOULD COST ROUGHLY 25,000 NOW MR. WALKER. **[00:19:45] Zach Walker:** THANK YOU MR. MAYOR JUST YEAH, JUST A COUPLE OF POINTS OF ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ESPECIALLY RELATED TO THE OPTION TO AND OPTION THREE IS CLEAR IN THE MEMO TO THE COUNCIL. BUT I DON'T WANT TO ASSUME THAT EVERYBODY HERE HAS SEEN THAT MEMO. THE ASSUMPTION FOR OPTIONS IS THAT IF OR INDUSTRY'S REQUEST NOT FUNDED THAT THEY WOULD LIKELY CEASE OPERATIONS. NOW THAT'S NOT A CERTAINTY BUT THAT WAS THE ASSUMPTION WE MADE FOR THE PURPOSE OF THOSE OPTIONS. I THINK THE ARTISTRY HAS INDICATED IN TESTIMONY TO THE COUNCIL THAT THERE THERE WEREN'T OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR THEM TO GO TO FOR THIS LEVEL OF FINANCIAL SUPPORT. AND SO IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE SITTING HERE TELLING YOU THAT THAT IS THE CASE THINK THAT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY OF ARTISTRY. I'VE JUST PREPARED THESE OPTIONS UNDERSTANDING THAT SEEMS LIKE A POTENTIAL SCENARIO IF COUNCIL CHOOSES NOT TO FUND THEM. **[00:20:45] Mayor Tim Busse:** THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION MR. WALKER. I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT MAKING IT CLEAR AS WE AS I AS I FRAME THIS UP THE COUNCIL ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. WALKER OR ANYTHING AS WE GET STARTED HERE? VERY GOOD. AS SAID, FOLKS WHO ARE HERE IN THE OH I'M SORRY SORRY. I THOUGHT I YOU JUST FOR THE SECOND OPTION WE DIDN'T REAY MENTN HOW MUCH THAT WOULD BE FOR THAT THAT FUNDING PIECE OF THAT. **[00:21:15] Zach Walker:** SO I THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN, THE OPTION TO ASSUMED AGAIN THAT IF ARTISTRY REQUEST NOT FUNDED AND ARTISTRY CEASED TO OPERATE IT ASSUMED THE CITY STEPPING IN TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR MAINTAINING AS MUCH OF TH ACTIVITY IN THE ARTS CENTER AS IS CURRELY PROVIDED BY ART HISTORY. AND IN THAT SCENARIO THE ANNUAL COST IS ABOUT $1 MILLION AND I THINK THAT IS A A MUCH HIGHER NUMBER THAN WOULD ACTUALLY BE REALIZED IN THE FIRST YEAR. FOR THIS REASON IS THAT ESTABLISHING A ROAD HOUSE THEATER SOME OTHER THEATER OPERATING MODEL WILL LIKELY SOME TIME AND THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH RUNNING THE THEATER WHICH MAKE UP A GOOD AMOUNT OF THAT $1 MILLION WOULD LIKELY NOT BE INCURRED IN THE FIRST YEAR OR CERTAINLY NOT WITHIN THE FIRST 6 TO 9 MONTHS BECAUSE PUTTING TOGETHER A SCHEDULE FOR COMPANIES TO PERFORM IN THE THEATER WILL TAKE A FAIR AMOUNT OF LEAD TIME SOMETIMES AS MUCH AS A YEAR OR MORE TO SET THOSE SCHEDULES SO THAT NUMBER IS PROBABLY A REFLECTION OF WHAT WOULD HAPPEN MAYBE IN YEARS TWO OR THREE ONCE WE SET IT UP. **[00:22:15] Councilmember Dwayne Lowman:** SO TO CLEAR IT'D BE AFTER THE THE STARTP FEE WHATEVER THA WOULD BE $1 MILLION EACH YEAR PROBABLY AFTER THAT INCLUDING THE FIRST YEAR. **[00:22:30] Zach Walker:** MR. MAYOR AND COUNCILMEMBERS COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN IN MIND THAT WE HAD VERY LITTLE TIME TO PUT THAT COST TOGETHER. SO THAT'S ESTIMATE BUT I THINK THAT'S AS CLOSE AS WE CAN COME WITH INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE THAT WOULD BE VERY NEGATIVE BREAKS FOR ME. AND AGAIN THAT'S ON THE EXPENSE SIDE TOO. AND SO THAT'S A NET NUMBER BECAUSE THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY REVENUES THAT ARE GOING TO COME IN FROM OPERATING VARIOUS ASPECTS OF THE OF THE ARTS PROGRAMING AND IT' JUST WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO ESTIMATE WHAT THOSE ARE EXCEPT TO BE EXPLICIT AND SAY THIS IS NOT A NET NUMBER THAT'S THE MAX THAT'S THE NUMBER ON THE EXPENSE SIDE. **[00:23:15] Mayor Tim Busse:** THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN AND MR. WALKER, THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. SO AS WE OPEN UP OUR PUBLIC OPPORTUNITY HERE, HERE'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK OF ALL OF YOU. AS I SAID, WE'RE GOING TO WE'VE GOT THE SHOT CLOCK OF 3 MINUTES HERE TOO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP EVERYBODY WITHIN THE SAME TIME PERIOD WE'RE GOING TO BE WE'RE GOING TO STICK TO THAT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HAS THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME AND OPPORNITY TO SPEAKIRST PERSON U I WOULD I NEED TO TO SIGN IN AND WE'VE GOT THE CLIPBOARD WITH THE SIGN IN SHEET RIGHT UP AND AS YOU SIGN IN IF YOU COULD TURN AROUND TO THE PERSON BEHIND YOU AND HAND THEM THE CLIPBOARD SO THEY CAN SIGN IN WHILE YOU'RE SPEAKING AND THEN WE CAN KIND OF KEEP THIS MOVING WITH WITH A DECENT FLOW IT WHAT I WOULD APPRECIATE FROM EVERYBODY AS YOU DO come up WALK STATE YOUR NAME YOU DON'T HAVE TO STATE YOUR ADDRESS BUT JUST STATE YOUR NAME JUST SO WE HAVE IT FOR THE RECORD AND CLEARLY AND WE UNDERSTAND WHO YOU ARE AND WE WILL MOVE FORWARD ON THIS. I DON'T THINK IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS WHY DON'T WE GET STARTED? WE CAN DO THIS SO AGAIN IF YOU WHOEVER WOULD LIKE TO START US OFF COME ON FORWARD PLEASE AND THEN START TO QUEUE UP IN BEHIND AND MAKE WE GET SIGNED IN AND MAKE THIS AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE. DON'T BE SHY LOOK AT THAT AND YOU CAN TAKE PERFECT. IT'S WORKING LIKE A CHARM SO FAR. GOOD EVENING. WELCOME. **[00:24:15] Mary Vasily:** OUR HONORABLE MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MARY VASILY. I'M THE CHAIR OF THE CONTINENTAL BALLET COMPANY AND THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU AT THIS TIME I WILL BE BRIEF. MY MAIN OBJECT IN SPEAKING IS TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ALL THE CORRECT INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED TO MAKE YOUR DECISION. I DO NOT COME HERE TO TRY TO INFLUENCE THE COUNCIL TO VOTE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER AND AGAIN I JUST WANT THE COUNCIL TO HAVE THE CORRECT INFORMATION WHEN THEY DO DECIDE ON THE PROPOSAL. I ALSO WANT TO MAKE A COUPLE SUGGESTIONS AS TO HOW TO HANDLE CERTAIN MATTERS THAT MAY IMPACT CONTINENTAL BALLET IF THE COUNCIL DOESOT FUND OUR DTRICT SO REGARDING THE FACTS THE RESIDENT ARTS ORGANIZATIONS WILL NOT SUCCEED OR FAIL IN OUR OPINION BASED ON YOUR AS TO OUR HISTORIES YOUR REQUESTS AND SPEFICALLY YOUR CONTINENTAL'S OPERATIONS WILL NOT BE AFFECTED WHETHER OUR DISTRICT DOES OR DOES NOT RECEIVE ADDITIONAL FUNDING FROM THE CITY. WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN FINANCIALLY INDEPENDENT FROM ART HISTORY FOR EXAMPLE CONTINENTAL DOES NOT USE OUR HISTORIES BOX FOR TICKETING. WE HAVE BEEN OPERATING OUR OWN OFFICE SINCE THE ART CENTER OPENED. WE FOUND THAT USING BROWN PAPER TICKETS FOR ONLINE SALES COSTS US ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. THE PROGRAM IS EASY TO LEARN SO THAT OUR STAFF CAN ALSO SELL TICKETS FROM THE PROGRAM TO WHAT THE TWO WALK UP SALES AND DAY OF EVENT SALES. I AM CERTAIN THAT THE CITY'S INFORMATION DESK STAFF EASILY LEARN THE PROGRAM FOR DAY OF EVENT SALES AND. IT IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER IF THE CITY WOULD RATHER NOT TAKE ON THE EXPENSE OF OPERATIN A BOX OFFICE. I ALSO LIKE TO MAKE JUST TWO REQUESTS. FIRST, I MEANT TO SAY IN THE SAME WAY CONTINENTAL HAS ALWAYS ITS OWN STAGE CREW AS WELL. IT DOES NOT DEPEND ON FOR THAT OR ANYTHING ELSE BUT THE TWO REQUESTS I'D LIKE TO MAKE ARE THAT FIRST THE CULTURAL ARTS FUND HAS BEEN DISTRIBUTED TO RESIDENT ARTS ORGANIZATIONS FOR 40 YEARS MORE THAN 40 YEARS FIRST THROUGH THE BLOOMINGTON FINE ARTS COUNCIL AND MORE RECENTLY THROUGH CULTURAL ARTSUNDING GRANT PROCESS. IF ARTISTRY LEAVES THE CENTER WE WOULD EXPECT THEIR PORTION THE CULTURAL ARTS FUND TO BE RETURNED TO THE ARTS FUND AND REDISTRIBUTED THROUGH THE CURRENT GRANT PROCESS. IT'S NOT ONLY ART HISTORY THAT HAS BEEN NEGATIVELY IMPACTED BY COVID BUT WE HAVE BEEN IMPACTED AS WELL. BUT WE HAVE SURVIVED AND WE COULD MAKE GOOD USE OF ADDITIONAL FUNDS TO PAY STAFF AND SUSTAIN OUR EDUCATIONAL AND ARTISTIC SECOND SCHEDULING IS DONE THROUGH THE MANAGER OF THE CENTER FOR THE ARTS AND GENERALLY ART HISTORY HAS BEEN GIVEN PRECEDENCE IN THE NUMBER OF DATES IT HAS GIVEN FOR PERFORMANCES IN THE SCHNEIDERS. AS A RESULT, ALL OF THE OTHER ARTS ARTS ORGANIZATIONS HAVE HAD TO LIMIT THEIR PERFORMANCE SCHEDULES. **[00:27:15] Mayor Tim Busse:** MARY I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU BUT WE PAST HER 3 MINUTES. I'M SORRY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. **[00:27:30] Kevin Tawney:** GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS KEVIN TAWNEY WAY OF FULL TRANSPARENCY. MY WIFE IS THE GENERAL MANAGER OF THE BLOOMINGTON SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA. BUT I'M HERE SPEAKING TONIGHT AS THE PARENT OF A YOUNG WOMAN WHO'S IN HER 10TH SEASON STUDYING WITH CONTENT CONTINENTAL BALLET. WE'RE FORMER BLOOMINGTON RESIDENTS AND WE MOVED TO MINNETONKA ABOUT SEVEN YEARS AGO AND WHILE WE COULD PROBABLY FIND A BALLET STUDIO STUDY WITH CLOSER TO HOME, WE CONTINUE TO DRIVE OUR DAUGHTER TO BLOOMINGTON MULTIPLE TIMES A WEEK TO STUDY AT CONTINENTAL. WE DO THAT BECAUSE OF THE HIGH QUALITY INSTRUCTION IN CLASSICAL BALLET THAT SHE RECEIVES THERE AS WELL AS THE EXCEPTIONAL PROGRAMING THAT SHE'S EXPOSED TO. WE'VE ALSO BEEN IMPRESSED BY AND APPRECIATED CONTINENTAL'S STEWARDSHIP OF THEIR RESOURCES. I USED TO WORK IN NONPROFITS EVERY NONPROFIT THROUGH UPS AND DOWNS AND CERTAINLY THE PANDEMIC WAS AN EXTREME DISRUPTION TO SO many of our arts organizations throughout the good times and the challenging times we've seen Continental constantly adapt to make sure they're always living within their means as well a trying new tngs to stay solvent and fulfill their mission. So it's up to all of you tonight to decide if Artist raise request for funding is a wise investment. And let me just state I'm not against Artistry. I hope they'll be successful but I just want to reinforce what was previously stated which the notion that if Artistry fails the other arts organizations to go with that is an incorrect assessment and we really hope that the organizationr just want to reinforce that. Organizations like Continental proven themselves to be good stewards of the resources and fortunately their sustainability is not reliant on whether Artistry is able to affect a turnaround. Thank you. **[00:29:15] Mayor Tim Busse:** THANK YOU, MR. TAWNEY. WE'RE UP NEXT. I HOPE YOU HAVE THE CLIPBOARD IN HAND FOR. IT'S GREAT. IT'S PERFECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOOD EVENING. **[00:29:30] Paul Smith:** MY NAME'S PAUL SMITH. I'M PRESIDENT OF LARKIN HOFFMAN AND I'M HERE TO SUPPORT ARTISTRY IN THEIR REQUEST YOU KNOW, LARKIN HOFFMAN HAS BEEN PART OF THE BLOOMINGTON COMMUNITY 60 YEARS. WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN ENDLESS DEVELOPMENTS AND. MANY OF OUR EMPLOYEES WORK HERE, WORK AND LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY FOR US FROM A VERY PERSPECTIVE HAVING PEOPLE LIKE ARTISTRY IS VITALLY IMPORTANT TO OUR ABILITY TO ATTRACT TALENT. JUST HAVING A COMPETITIVE SALARY LONGER CUTS IT. NOW WE COMPETE BASED UPONHAT YOUR COMMUNITY IS LIKE ARE YOUR SEATS ARE YOUR STREETS SAFE? DO YOU HAVE A VITAL ARTS COMMUNITY AND ARTISTRY IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF HAVING A VITAL ARTS COMMUNITY AND WE NEED THAT ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE COMPETING FOR TALENT WITH WITH MINNEAPOLIS NOW RECENTLY WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS HAVE MOVED OUR WAY BUT THIS IS NOT THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO LOSE THOSE THINGS AND HAVING A PROFESSIONAL AWARD WINNING GROUP LIKE IS SIMPLY AN ASSET THAT THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T WANT TO LOSE YOU KNOW THE PANDEMIC HAS BEEN REALLY PROBLEMATIC FOR THEATERS MUSEUMS RESTAURANTS, MUSIC VENU THAT GROUP H BEEN UNEVLY IMPACTED BY THE PANDEMIC AND IT'S IT'S SIMPLY A LOSS FOR ALL OF US BECAUSE WE NEED THOSE ENTITIES FOR OUR INTERACTION TO TO TEACH US THINGS WE HADN'T SEEN BEFORE TO SIMPLY ADD LIFE TO OUR COMMUNITY. AND WHILE I REALLY APPRECIATE THE COUNCIL DOING YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THIS ISSUE HARD, I ALSO AM VERY COGNIZANT OF THE FACT THAT THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY NEEDS TO DO THE SAME THING AND IN THAT LIG I I'L BE MEETING WITH THE BLOOMINGTON CHAMBER TOMORROW AND MY GOAL WILL BE TO ENGAGE GROUP STRATEGIZE WITH THAT GROUP, FIGURE OUT HOW THAT GROUP THE BUSINESSES OF BLOOMINGTON CAN CAN COME AND SUPPORT ARTISTRY AND KEEP THEM PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND ADD YOU KNOW OUR, WEIGHT TO THE EFFORT THAT YOU FOLKS ARE ALREADY MAKING. SO I APPRECIATE YOU CONSIDERING THIS AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. **[00:31:30] Mayor Tim Busse:** THANK YOU MR. SMITH I THINK YOUR DANCE. **[00:31:35] Debbie Schneider:** GOOD HONORABLE MAYOR BLOOMINGTON CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND FELLOW CITIZENS I'M HERE TODAY TO SHARE WITH YOU OUR FELLOW CITIZENS THE STORY OF HOW THE BLOOMINGTON CENTER THE ARTS CAME INTO EXISTENCE WHO WAS AN UNKNOWN GREENSBURG ALUM DAVID SCHNEIDER AND ROSE SCHNEIDER ANYWAY AND, WHY WERE THE NAMES ON THE THEATER, THE ART GALLERY AND THE GIVATI ONE COULD SAY THAT IT ALL STARTED WITH A PIG. MY NEW YORK DAD WENT TO THE UNIVERSITY OF PLANNING TO BE A VET AND HELPING LOTS OF NICE LIKE DOGS, CATS AND HORSES. HE DISCOVERED THAT CASTRATING PIGS WAS NOT HIS THING SO HE TRANSFERRED TO THE UNIVERSITY OF WISCONSIN MAJORING IN ECONOMIC ARTS AFTER COMPLETING HIS DEGREE MY FATHER JAMES GREENBERG MET AND MARRIED MY MOTHER INEZ LEON GREENBERG THEN MY SISTER AND I CAME ALONG AND WE WERE EXPOSED TO A WORLD OF SHOWS CONCERTS AS WELL AS TRAVEL EXHIBITS OR ANYTHING LOOKED LIKE IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING OR FUN. MOVING ON I CHOSE TO ATTEND THE UNIVERSITY OF WISCONSIN IN MADISON IT WAS THERE THAT I MET MY FUTURE HUSBAND ALLAN SCHNEIDER. WE MARRIED IN 1951 AFTER WE COMPLETE YOUR EDUCATIONS WE WENT TO THE TWIN CITY AREA BECAUSE OUR DAV WAS ON THE WAY. WE BUILT A HOME IN BLOOMINGTON AND CAME DAUGHTER ELAINE BOTH ATTENDED BLOOMINGTON SCHOOLS WHERE THE EDUCATION SERVED THEM WELL AS THEY ADVANCED THEIR CAREERS. ALL WAS WELL UNTIL THE PHONE CALL THAT CHANGED OUR LIVES FOREVER AFTER 33 YEARS OF MARRIAGE MY MOTHER ENOS GREENBERG WAS KILLED IN A CAR ACCIDENT. THE FLAME OF THIS VIBRANT ARTISTIC REDHEAD SO FULL ENERGY AND FUN WAS EXTINGUISHED FOREVER. TO HONOR HER MEMORY WE NAMED THE CENTER ART GALLERY AFTER HER THE GREENBERG GALLERY. I ATTENDED CLASSES. THE ART CENTER WAS VERY IT WAS A QUONSET HUT AND EVERYTHING WAS CROWDED. NO MORE SPACE WAS NEEDED. IT BY THAT TIME HELEN AND I WERE DOING WELL AND A BIG BALLOON IN THE STOCK MARKET PUT US IN A GOOD FINANCIAL POSITION. WE FOUND OURSELVES WITH MONEY SPARE AND I SUGGESTED TO ALAN THAT WE WOULD GIVE A SIGNIFICANT GIFT TO THE CITY BUT WE'D BETTER HURRY BECAUSE THE STOCK MARKET COULD AND WIPE OUTUR ENTIREIFT NOT VERY LONG AFTER THE MONEY WAS TRANSFERRED TO THE CITY. THE MARKET TOOK A DOVE. WE CAME THAT CLOSE TO LOSING IT ALL. I CALLED SUSAN ANDERSON THEN THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND TOLD HER THAT WE WANTED HELP FOUND A NEW ART CENTER. SHE TOLD ME IT WAS HOPELESS BECAUSE THE CITY REQUIRED $1 MILLION IN ORDER TO HAVE A REFERENDUM. THEN I TOLD SHE DID HAVE THE MONEY SO HAVE A REFERENDUM AND IT WAS HELD AND THE VOTE PASSED. THE CENTER PASSED. HOWEVER, THERE WERE SOME PROBLEMS WITH SCHNEIDER. **[00:34:30] Mayor Tim Busse:** I'M SORRY WE'RE I'M WE'RE PAST THE THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT. OKAY? I APOLOGIZE. WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HAS THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ONGOING SUPPORT. **[00:34:45] Debbie Schneider:** YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU, DEBBIE. **[00:34:50] Diane Darr:** THK YOUOR HAVINGS THIS YEAR. BEAR COUNCIL PEOPLE MY NAME IS DIANE DARR AND I HAVE A UNIQUE NAMETAG WHICH I THINK IS THE ONLY LETTER TO EXISTENCE. IT SAYS ARTISTRY MOTHER AND I WHEN I GOT THAT NAME TAG THOUGHT WHAT AN HONOR TO BE CALLED THE MOTHER. HOW COULD THAT BE AND I HAVE FOUR FOUR REAL KIDS BUT I HAVE A HISTORY PERSON WITH BOOBIE CHAD AND WE MOVED HERE IN 56 AND THAT'S A LONG TIME PROBABLY BEFORE SOME OF YOU GUYS WERE BORN. WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT I DID WHEN WE WERE WHERE THE KIDS WERE SMALL WAS GET INVOLVED WAS MOVING TO THE CIVIC THEATER AND I ENDED UP GETTING THE BOARD AND I LOVE BEING ABLE TO LEAD RIGHT AWAY SAID BECAUSE I HAD BEEN IN BUSINESS BEFORE I BECAME A MOTHER I HAD BUSINESS BACKGROUND SO I HELPED THE THEATER STUFFND EVEN GOT AN AWARD ONE YEAR F THAT IN 1970 475 THE CITY OF BLUE RIDGE AND OUR SPEECH OF THE BICENTENNIAL CHAIR AND WE HAD AN OBLIGATION TO HAVE A FUTURES PROJECT FROM THE BICENTENNIAL HAVING BUILD A DARK TEACHER LOBBY AT SCHOOLS AND OTHER OUR TEACHERS WE KNEW THERE WAS A NEED FOR ARTS TEACHER SO I STARTED THE BLOOMINGTON ARTS CENTER IN 1976. I STILL WAS INTERESTED IN THE THEATER BUT AT ONE POINT THOSE TWO ORGANIZATIONS BECAME TOGETHER AND THEY KNEW ART HISTORY AND HERE WE ARE AT THIS BUILDING. THAT WAS A DREAM FOR A LONG TIME. HOW MANY MORE MINUTES I HAVE ALL I'M DOING WELL I HAVE SO MUCH TO SAY I DIDN'T THINK I COULD DO IT WITH THREE BULLETS. PEOPLE THAT KNOW WHAT YOU SAY OH YOU YOU YOU'RE FULL OF STORIES. WE MOVED INTO THIS BUILDING. I WAS HERE EVERY DAY DURING CONSTRUCTION. I FOUND ALL KINDS OF MISTAKES THE CLERK ART RUSSELL AND HIS CREW WERE MAKING LIK FILLING THE FLOOR OF THE PIT AND THE ORCHESTRA ON THE STAGE SAID, HEY, THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK. OH, THEY HAD TO RIP OUT. BUT ANYWAY WE OPENED THE FIRST SHOW IN 2003 SO I HAD A DOUBLE INTEREST. I CARED ABOUT THE VISUAL ARTS AND I CARED ABOUT THE THEATER AND THE FACT THAT WE WERE THERE WORKING WITH THE THE BACHELOR'S BAD COP DID A BALLET OTHER ARTS GROUPS SOME OF THEM CHANGED NAME DURING THAT YEARS WE BUT IT WAS A WOERFUL THING WERE SO UNIQUE YOU GUYS YOU DON'T REALIZE THERE'S NOTHING LIKE THIS ANYWHERE HEAVY IT ALL TOGETHER IN ONE BUILDING WE CAN'T LET IT GO WE JUST HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING AND I WANT YOU TO SUPPORT OPTION ONE AND GIVE US A CHANCE. THANKS SO MUCH. **[00:37:45] Mayor Tim Busse:** THANK YOU, DIANE. WELL THAT REALLY HI. **[00:37:50] Tyler Michaels King:** MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS MY NAME IS TYLER MICHAELS KING I'M A LOCAL ARTIST AND THE HOPEFUL DIRECTOR OF 25TH ANNUAL PUTNAM COUNTY SPELLING BEE AT ART HISTORY. I'D LIKE TO NOTE THAT ARTISTRY DIDN'T ASK ME TO BE HERE. I CAME OF MY OWN ACCORD TO SPEAK AS AN ARTIST I SENT A LETTER TO THE COUNCIL YESTERDAY SHARING MY HISTORY ADVOCACY FOR ARTISTRY. I HOPE YOU ALL HAD A CHANCE TO READ. I'M NOT GOING TO REGURGITATE THAT LETTER BUT I'D RATHER SPEAK MY STRONG OPPOSITION TO OPTION AND A POSSIBLE OUTCOME OF OPTION THREE WHICH IS THE ROAD HOUSE FOR THE THEATER WHILE THE ROAD HOUSE SCENARIO MAY POSITIVELY AFFECT BLOOMINGTON'S ARTS AND CULTURE, PROGRAMING WOULD STILL HAVE PERFORMANCES FOR BLOOMINGTON RESIDENTS AND WOULD CONTINUE REVENUE FOR THE CITY. CONVERTING THE ARTS CENTER INTO A TOURING HOUSE WOULD ELIMINATE ALL FUTURE EMPLOYMENT FOR LOCAL PERFORMERS DIRECTORS, DESIGNERS AND MANY TECHNICIANS. ESTABLISHING A ROAD HOUSE MEANS ONLY ARTISTS FROM OUTSIDE THE COMMUNITY WOULD RECEIVE EMPLOYMENT. IT WOULD MEAN NOT ONE OF THE ARTISTS EMPLOYED IBBC2'S OR OTHER STREE 60 YEAR HISTORY WOULD STEP FOOT ON THAT STAGE UNLESS THEY WERE A PART OF A TOURING PRODUCTION OR CAME FROM OUT OF TOWN OR ANOTHER REGIONAL MARKET. AS I MENTIONED MY LETTER ART HISTORY HAS ALWAYS BEEN A BREEDING GROUND FOR NEW TALENT HERE IN THE TWIN CITIES. SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE STARTED CAREERS AT ARTISTRY AND HAVE AND HAVE HAD STORIED CAREERS AT ART HISTORY, GENERATIONS OF ARTISTS, COUNTLESS PEOPLE GAINED BOTH EMPLOYMENT AND SKILLS BY MAKING THEATER HERE LOCAL ARTISTS AND MANY THOSE ARTISTS HE GONE ON INCREDIBLE CAREERS BOTH LOCALLY AND NATIONALLY. OPTION AND A POSSIBLE OUTCOME OF OPTION THREE PRESENTED BEFORE THE COUNCIL TODAY A ROAD HOUSE SCENARIO WOULD EFFECTIVELY DISRUPT A WHOLE ECOSYSTEM OF THEATER ARTS HERE IN THE TWIN CITIES THERE ARE SIMPLY ANOTHER PLATFORM FOR ARTISTS LIKE THE ONE THAT ARTISTRY PROVIDES. OF COURSE I ADVOCATE FOR ARTISTRY AND I WANT YOU TO PICK OPTION ONE BUT I ASK THAT WHATEVER DECISION YOU MAKE TONIGHT THAT YOU MAKE SURE IT INCLUDES LOCAL EMPLOYMENT OF LOCAL THEATER ARTISTS AND THE PROGRAMING OF LOCAL THEATER COMPANIES PLEASE NOT TAKE THAT AWAY FROM THIS COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. **[00:40:45] Mayor Tim Busse:** THANK YOU. I DON'T KNOW IF I'M NEXT OR NOT. IT LOOKS LIKE YOUR NEXT LOOKS TO ME LIKE YOUR NEXT NEXT. **[00:40:50] Neil Peterson:** GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND STAFF I'M NEIL PETERSON. WE CAME TO THE BLOOMINGTON CIVIC THEATER OVER 52 YEARS AGO WN WE LED IN RICHFIELD AND A YEAR WE MOVED TO PRESTIGIOUS WEST BLOOMINGTON, MOVED OUT TO FIVE ACRES. WE HAD THREE LITTLE GIRLS, A GREAT DANE DOG AND A $25 PONY AND WE ENJOYED THAT AND IT WASN'T TOO LONG AFTER THAT WHEN I WAS DRUG INTO RUNNING FOR CITY I CAME KICKING A SCREAMING BUT I LOVED IT AND I SPENT MANY YEARS ON THE COUNCIL A NUMBER OF YEARS AS MAYOR I WENT ON AND SERVED ON THE METROPOLITAN COUNCIL AND THENS A STATE REPRESENTATIVE FOR 25 YEARS WE WERE ON A HALCYON WALLS IN BLOOMINGTON AND I HAVE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE AND I THOUGHT WHAT I'D SHARE WITH YOU TONIGHT THAT YOU'VE HEARD PART THE STORY BUT THIS FACILITY THAT WE'RE STANDING IS A BUT ME WE TRIED TO PASS REFERENDUMS FOR A NEW CITY HALL FOR A NEW POLICE STATION. IT DOWN IN FLAMES COULDN'T GET IT DONE AND THEN ALONG CAME ARTISTRY WANTING TO DO SO THE COUNCIL AT THAT TIME SAID OKAY DO A REFERENDUM BUT BLAINE BRING $1,000,000 WITH YOU. THEY DID AND IT HAPPENED AND THE CITY SAID OH MY, IT WORKED. SO THE CITY PIGGYBACKED ON THE REFERENDUM PASSED BY OUR STREET. THEY BROUGHT THE MONEY THEY HAD SAVED UP FOR THE POLICE STATION AND ATTACHED THE CITY IN BETWEEN. SO NOW WE HAD CONTINU WE HAD A CONTINUUM OF PUBLIC AND PUBLIC ENTERTAINMENT AND WOMAN WHO WAS MAYOR A WONDERFUL WOMAN ME CARL HULL FOLLOWED ME AS AND ONE OF HER COMMENTS WERE NOW PEOPLE IN BLOOMINGTON CAN COME TO CITY HALL BECAUSE IT WILL BE AND WONDERFUL NOT JUST FOR FINES AND MUNDANE KINDS OF THINGS OR THE POLICE SO WE HAD THIS CONTAGION GOING ON AND THE CITY HAS DONE A MARVELOUS JOB OF MAINTAINING THAT CONNECTION. I'LL SHARE ONE MORE THING AND LOOK AT MY TIME IN THE VOTES THAT I TOOK IN PUBLIC FORUMS THE ONE I LOOK BACK AND REGRET THE MOST WERE THE NO VOTES BECAUSE NO MEANS NEGATIVE IT'S A DOWNER. EVEN THOUGH MY KIDS WOULD COME AS ADULTS I WANTED TO BE YES WANTED TO GIVE THEM A POSITIVE. SO I ENCOURAGE VOTE FOR THE POSITIVE DON'T VOTE NO NO IS A DOWNER IT'S ENDS EVERYTHING DOT DO THAT THAT'S MY OPINION SO PLEASE SUPPORT THIS ORGANIZATION WILL REGRET IT IF WE DON'T HAVE IT. **[00:43:45] Mayor Tim Busse:** THANK YOU, MR. PETERSON. **[00:43:50] Vicki:** THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS AND STAFF MY NAME IS VICKI WHO CAME AS A BLOOMINGTON RESIDENT AND SOMEONE WHO SPECIALIZED IN NONPROFIT ACCOUNTING FOR OVER 15 YEARS. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE CITY COUNCI TO DECLINE OFF THE STREET RECORD ARTISTRY REQUEST OF $750,000. THIS STARTED AS A $350,000 ASK THEN QUICKLY CHANGE TO 750,000. BUT THEN AT THE LAST MEETING THE ARTISTIC REPRESENTATIVES DID NOT SEEM FIRM ON THAT ASK EITHER. I BELIEVE THAT THE THE CITY BE REQUESTING DETAILED EXPENDITURES OF $150,000 GRANT THEY'VE ALREADY REQUESTED AS THAT IS IN THEIR OBLIGATIONS I BELIEVE THAT ARTISTRY HAS PUT THEMSELVES IN THIS POSITION AND FAILURES HAPPENED AT MANY LEVELS. I AM NOT CONFIDENT THAT THIS TYPE SITUATION WILLOT HAPPEN AGAI AS IT DOES N SEEM THAT THERE ARE POLICIES PLACE TO PREVENT IT AS A NONPROFIT THERE SHOULD BE AND THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN POLICIES AND PROCEDURES PUT IN PLACE SO SUCH AS THIS DO NOT HAPPEN. THIS IS A MISMANAGEMENT ISSUE AND THROWING MONEY AT IT DOESN'T FIX THE PROBLEMS AS AN ACCOUNTANT NOW WORKING IN DUE I JUST CAN'T SAY THAT THIS IS A SOUND FINANCIAL INVESTMENT RIGHT NOW FOR CITY YES THE $750,000 GRANT LOAN COULD SAVE SANDY FUND CITY FUNDING IF ARTISTRY SUCCEEDS WHICH THERE'S NO GUARANTEE CITY STAFF H NOW RECOMMENDED THIS REQUEST BECOMES A GRANT AS THEY SEE THERE IS NO PAYBACK TO COME BACK TO THE CITY AS A LOAN FOR COLLATERAL I BELIEVE THEY ALSO REALIZE THE MOMENT YOU ALLOW THIS TO BECOME A LOAN YOU OPEN UP A NEW PRESIDENT FOR THE CITY ALLOWING OTHER NONPROFIT WITHIN THE COMMUNITY TO COME TO THE CITY FOR A LOAN. I BELIEVE BY DOING THIS APPROVING THIS IS A DISRESPECT TO THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT STRUGGLED AND DID EVERYTHING THAT THEY COULD THROUGH THE PANDEMIC AS WELL AS THOSE THAT HAD AND WERE FORCED TO SHUT DO BECAUSE THEY WE NEVER GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME TO THE CITY FOR A LOAN OR A GRANT. ALSO WHILE CITY RECOMMENDED THIS CHANGE TO A GRANT I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT CERTAIN SHOULD BE PROVIDED IN A GRANT PROPOSAL IN ALL YEARS THAT I'VE WORKED IN NONPROFIT ACCOUNTING YOU ARE REQUIRED TO A DETAILED BUDGET OF HOW THE SAID FUNDS GOING TO BE ALLOCATED. SO IF THIS REQUEST IS TO BE TURNED INTO A GRANT REQUEST I WOULD EXPECT THAT THE CITY WOULD MANDATE THE THE DETAILED BUDGET FOR THIS PROPOSAL AS WELL. I COMPLETELY SUPPORT THE ARTS BUT AS SOMEONE ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN THE ARTS IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT I HAVE OR I SHOULD SUPPORT THE ARTISTRY SITUATION IN FRONT OF US TONIGHT I BELIEVET WOULD BE IN THE BEST INTERESTS FOR THE CITY TO GO WITH OPTION NOTING THAT GRANT FUNDING SHOULD STILL BE AVAILABLE TO OUR LOCAL RESIDENT ART GROUPS AS THEY HAVE MAINTAINED IN THE BLACK THROUGHOUT THE PANDEMIC AND THEY DEPEND ON THE SMALL FUNDING GRANTS THAT THE CITY DOES PROVIDE. I TRULY BELIEVE THAT ARTS CAN REMAIN SUCCESSFUL IN BLOOMINGTON AND DON'T THINK THE CIT NEEDS TO PAY $110,000 FOR BOX OFFICE STAFF AND SOFTWARE AS ONE ORGANIZATION HAS ALREADY STATED, THERE ARE MANY WAYS TO MAKE THIS A SUCCESSFUL TRANSITION. WE JUST NEED TO WORK TOGETHER WITH OUR RESIDENT ART GROUPS AS WELL AS OTHER ARTS ORGANIZATIONS THE CITY AND SURROUNDING AREA. SORRY IT GOES FAST DOESN'T IT? YES, I KNOW. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. AND JUST ONE THING I WOULD LIKE YOU TO VOTE ON THE ISSUE AND NOT JUST PASSIONATE EMOTIONS. **[00:46:45] Mayor Tim Busse:** THANK YOU. MR. MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. GOOD EVENING. WELCOME. **[00:46:50] Jeremy Ellery:** THANK YOU. UH, TWO COMMENTS ONE IF YOU CAN IDENTIFY YOURSELF. THANK YOU. I'M JEREMY ELLERY. I ACTUALLY WORK FOR THE ORGANIZATION OF ARTISTRY ON THE ISSUE OF THE FUNDING. THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME ARTISTRY HAS BEEN HERE. THEY'RE ABLE TO MAKE THE PROMISE IT WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN. AND I THINK IT WAS DUE TO MISMANAGEMENT. THAT'S JUST A THING I AM SAYING. I DO NOT. THAT'S FINE. I'VE BEEN THE MASTER ELECTRICIAN VIRTUALLY FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS. I HAVE WORKED HERE NOT IN A ROLE SINCE WE CHANGED FROM BCD TO ARTISTRY. I AM THE MASTE ELECTRICIAN FORENUMBRA THEER IN SAINT PAUL AND FOR PREVIOUSLY OF THE MIXED BLOOD THEATER IN MINNEAPOLIS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ARTISTRY GIVES US IS THE CHANCE FOR EDUCATION THE ELECTRICIANS THE STAGEHANDS WORK FOR ARTISTRY ALSO WORK FOR CONTINENTAL. THEY HAVE ALSO WORKED FOR OTHERS THAT HAVE COME. THEY HAVE WORKED FOR RENTALS COME THROUGH. THEY WORK WITH THE CONCERTS. WE TRAIN THEM AT ARTISTRY BECAUSE THAT AMOUNT OF TIME WE GET ON STAGE GIVES US TIME. TEACH THEM. I LIKE CONTINENTAL. I LOVE WORKING FOR THEM. BUT IT IS TWO DAYS AND I ONLY TO DO IT TWICE A YEAR FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. WHEN WE DO THE RENTALS IT IS ONE DAY. WE NEED THE TIME TO TRAIN PEOPLE. WE NEEDED ALL OVER THEATER IN THE CITIES BUT WE NEED IT HERE IN BLOOMINGTON. WE HAVE YOUNG PEOPLE WHO HAVE COME JUST NOW IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS MOVED HERE HOME EITHER HOME FROM SCHOOL OR THIS THEIR HOME IN BLOOMINGTON WHO WANT TO WORK HERE. THE BALLET HAS NOT ENOUGH DAYS FOR THEM TO SURVIVE THE ORCHESTRA RENTALS ARE NOT ENOUGH DAYS FOR THEM TO STAY INHIS INDUSTRY. IF WE WANT IN THIS INDUSTRY AS A WHOLE AND WE WANT THEM IN OUR COMMUNITY, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WHETHER IT IS ARTISTRY OR SOMETHING ELSE THAT THAT WORK IS HERE FOR THEM AND A ROAD HOUSE IS NOT THAT. I HAVE BEEN A CITY EMPLOYEE FOR A YEAR NOW. WE ARE NOT READY. I HAVE ALSO HEARD OF BLOOMINGTON. WE ARE NOWHERE NEAR READY TO BE A ROAD HOUSE IN THREE YEARS WE WILL NOT BE READY AND THAT COST IS GOING TO BE HUGE. **[00:49:15] Mayor Tim Busse:** THANK YOU. OTHERS WISHING TO SPEAK TONIGHT. COME ON UP, SIR. GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN. **[00:49:25] Gill Williams:** GILL WILLIAMS, I AND GILL, IF I COULD ASK YOU TO COME OVER TO THE MICROPHONE HERE FOR NOW. OH, THE OTHER ONE. THERE YOU GO. WELL, IT GUIDANCE AND. THANK YOU. WELL, I CAN HONESTLY SAY THE LARGEST CONTRIBUTOR TO FINANCIAL INDUSTRY. I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT I BELIEVE IN IT. I JUST RECENTLY SENT THEM $75,000 AND I DON'T SEE WHY THIS THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD BE ASKED TO LOAN MONEY. I THINK WHAT SHOULD BE DONE GOING BACK TO THE DAYS OF DIANE AND ANDREA SPECK. THEY REACHED OUT LIKE ME TO GIVE MONEY AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN. I DON'T THINK THAT THE CITY SHOULD GIVE A LOAN TO ART. I THINK THAT THE person in charge of Art history like Andrea and Diane when she was there should reach out, get people like me to give the money. And so why should the taxpayers fund it when I think there's money that people will donate because they believe in the function. So that's my comment. **[00:50:30] Mayor Tim Busse:** THANK YOU, MR. WILLIAMS AS ALWAYS. THANK YOU. SO WHILE OTHERS CAN CONTEMPLATE WHETHER OR NOT TO COME FORWARD MATT, I KNOW WE HAVE AT LEAST ONE PERSON ON THE PHONE WHEN WE HEAR WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY WE COULD HEAR IT. **[00:50:45] Matt (Staff):** YES, MR. MAYOR, WE HAVE. LOOKS LIKE SEVERAL FOLKS HAVE CALLED IN. I'VE GOT ONE PERSON WHO HAS RAISED THEIR HAND. I'M GOING TO UNMUTE THE CALLER WITH THE PHONE NUMBER BEGINNING WITH 952843. YOUR LINE IS NOW UNMUTED. **[00:51:00] Claire Fanning (via Phone):** HELLO MY NAME IS CLAIRE FANNING AND I AM A LOCAL DANCER AND CURRENT COMPANY MEMBER OF CONTINENTAL BALLET. AND I JUST WANTED TO CALL IN AND SAY I'VE BEEN THE MEETING AS IT'S BEEN HAPPENING AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY I WANT OUR HISTORY TO SUCCEED. HOWEVER, I FEEL LIKE READING ARTICLES ABOUT OUR THAT FUNDS WERE MISMANAGED IN THE PAST AND I OTHER LOCAL ARTISTS TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PERFORM. BUT ARTISTS RAISED HOW THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO SEE THE PANDEMIC IS NOT AN EXCUSE FOR HOW THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO SUCCEED BECAUSE CONTINENTAL BALLET WAS ABLE TO AND MANY OTHER NONPROFITS WERE ABLE SUCCEED AND MAKE IT THROUGH THE PANDEMIC WITHOUT BEING SO NEGATIVELY IMPACTED THAT THEY HAD TO SHUT DOWN. AND I DON'T WANT OUR HISTORY TO FAIL BUT OTHER GROUPS COULD ALSO USE THIS FUNDING THAT THEY MIGHT GET. THANK YOU. **[00:52:15] Matt (Staff):** THANK YOU, MISS FANNING. APPRECIATE IT. MATT, ARE THERE OTHERS ON THE LINE WHO WOULD LIKE TO. YES, MR. MAYOR, WE JUST HAD ANOTHER CALLER RAISE THEIR HAND. I'M TO UNMUTE THE LINE OF THE CALLER. THE PHONE NUMBER BEGINNING WITH 952564. YOUR LINE UNMUTED. **[00:52:30] Sharon Billings (via Phone):** AGAIN MY NAME IS. MY IS SHARON BILLINGS AND I'M A RESIDENT OF BLOOMINGTON AND THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO ADDRESS YOU ALL TONIGHT. I WANT TO START BY SAYING THAT YOU'D BE HARD PRESSED TO FIND A BLOOMINGTON RESIDENT WHO CARES MORE DEEPLY ABOUT PROMOTING ARTS ARTS YOU NOT DO THE VIBRANT COMMUNITY HAS ALWAYS BEEN ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I LOVE MOST ABOUT PERFORMING AND I'M SO GRATEFUL THAT WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL AND USEFUL VENUE PEOPLE CAN STUDY CLASSES AT THE HOME PERFORMING ARTS GROUPS. GENERALLY I WOULD FOR ANY PROPOSAL THAT PROMOTES OR SUPPORTS THE ARTS INCLUDING. THAT SAID THE PROPOSAL THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US FROM OUR DISTRICT DOES NOT APPEAR TO ME TO BE A SOUND VENTURE WHEN COMPARING THE BENEFITS TO SUBSTANTIAL FINANCIAL RISK. AND SO IT'S WITH A HEAVY HEART THAT I MUST TELL YOU THAT I NOT SUPPORT OUR DISTRICT PROPOSAL OPTION ONE AS IT DOES NOT REPRESENT A SOUND BUSINESS DECISION AND I WOULD ADVOCATE FOR OPTION THREE. THANK YOU. **[00:53:45] Matt (Staff):** THANK YOU SHARON. I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE ELSE MR. MAYOR? WE HAVE TWO OTHER INDIVIDUALS ON THE LINE. HOWEVER, THEY HAVE NOT RAISED A HAND TO SPEAK. WE CAN CHECK IN WITH THEM QUICKLY HERE. **[00:54:00] Mayor Tim Busse:** ANYONE ELSE IN THE CHAMBER WISHING TO SPEAK TONIGHT? **[00:54:15] Matt (Staff):** CALLER WITH THE PHONE NUMBER BEGINNING 952843. DID YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? UR LINE ISNMUTED. OH NO. SORRY. I ALREADY SPOKE AND THEN WE HAVE ONE MORE AND THEN CALLER WITH THE PHONE NUMBER BEGINNING 612475 YOUR LINE IS UNMUTED DID YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? NO, I DO NOT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MATT. **[00:54:30] Mayor Tim Busse:** ONCE AGAIN, LAST CALL FOR ANYBODY HERE IN THE CHAMBERS WHO WISH TO SPEAK. I SEE NO ONE COMING FORWARD. COUNSEL I'M GOING TO CLOSE OUR PUBLIC COMMENT OPPORTUNITY ON THIS ITEM AND TURN IT OVER TO THE COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION AND AS WE HAVE OUR DISCUSSION COUNCIL I REMIND YOU THAT WE'RE AMONG OURSELVES HERE AND WE HEARD WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC BUT OUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT IS AMONG THE SEVEN OF US SO COUNCIL THIS IS A TOUGH ONE AND WE'VE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR A FEW WEEKS NOW AND I KNOW WE'VE ALL RECEIVED PLENTY OF EMAILS. I KNOW THERE'S BEENNLINE AND OFFLINE DISCUSSIO REGARDING THIS AND JUST MY THOUGHTS AS WE MOVE FORWARD THEN I'LL MAKE A SUGGESTION WHERE WE MIGHT END UP FIRST OF ALL TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS MADE I AM CONFIDENT THAT OUR OTHER RESIDENT ART ORGANIZATIONS WILL SURVIVE. I REALLY AM. I KNOW THAT THEY'RE STRONG. I KNOW IF THIS DOESN'T GO FORWARD IF ARTISTRY WASN'T THERE THE OTHER RESIDENT ARTS ORGANIZATIONS WOULD SURVIVE THERE. THEY PROVIDE OUTSTANDING PERFORMANCES WELL MANAGED. I KNOW THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF THEM ARE BURING AT THE SEAMS ITERMS OF PEOPLE PARTICIPATING AND SO I HAVE CONFIDENCE IN OUR OTHER ARTS ORGANIZATIONS I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT WHICH YOU ALL KNOW AND WHICH WAS ALLUDED TO EARLIER THAT WHATEVER WE DO WITH THIS BLOOMINGTON SUPPORTS ARTS AND ALWAYS HAS WITH OUR CULTURAL ARTS FUND $180,000 EACH YEAR. THE USE OF THIS THIS FABULOUS FACILITY, THE CITY STAFF, THE WORKS AND IT ALL IT ALL WORKS TOGETHER. AND I THINK THAT IT SHOWS THAT BLOOMINGTON DOE HAVE A COMMITMENT TO ARTS A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT ARTS. I THINK SOMETIMES WHEN WE THINK ARTS WE IMMEDIATELY THINK STAGE PRODUCTIONS BUT. WE ALL KNOW THAT THE ARTS GO SO MUCH DEEPER ESPECIALLY HERE IN BLOOMINGTON WITH THE DIFFERENT ARTS ORGANIZATIONS WE DO HAVE AND TO ECHO A LOT PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALSO SPOKEN TONIGHT, I THINK IT'S A IT'S A COMPETITION ABOUT WHO'S THE ARTS SUPPORTED IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON AND I'LL ADD MY NAME TO THAT LIST AS WELL. YOU'VE HEARD ME TALK MANY TIMES. YOU'VE HEARD ME SUPPORT THE ARTS WITH FULL THROATED ENTHUSIASM SOMETIMES IN TH FA OF FOLKS WHOISAGREED RATHER VEHEMENTLY WITH AND KNOW FULL WELL THAT PRE-PANDEMIC THE ARTS BLOOMINGTON SHOWED A $12 MILLION ECONOMIC IMPACT AND THAT CANNOT BE DENIED AND IT'S AN IMPORTANT PIECE THIS BUT IT ALSO I THINK IT'S UNDENIABLE THAT IT HAS CHANGED AND THE PANDEMIC CHANGED THE ARTS ORGANIZATIONS ACROSS TWIN CITIES AND ACROSS ACROSS THE COUNTRY ACROSS THE WORLD AND CONTINUE TO CHANGE THEM WITH ALL OF THAT SAID AS A PRECURSOR COUNCIL, I JUST I'M AFRAID I CNOT SUPPORT THE $750,000 LOAN TO THE TO ARTISTRY FOR A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT REASONS AND THEIR BUSINESS RELATED MORE SPECIFICALLY. FIRST OF ALL WE HEARD FROM OUR FRIENDS AT ART HISTORY THAT 40% OF THEIR BUDGET THEY EXPECT THEIR UPCOMING BUDGET MODEL TO BE 40% SUPPORTED BY BY TICKET REVENUES AND 60% BY OUTSIDE REVENUES WHICH IS A FLIP OF WHAT THEY HAD BEEN DOING IN THE PAST 60% TICKET REVENUES, 40% OUTSIDE REVENUES AND COUNCIL I DON'T KNOW OF ARTS ORGANIZATION THAT CAN SURVIVE ON 40% TICKET REVENUES ALONE AND THEN RELYING ON 60% EXTERNAL THERE ARE SOME I WILL GRANT YOU THAT THERE ARE SOME BUT FOR EXAMPLE WE SAW FOR YEARS PENUMBRA OF STRUGGLE UNTIL THEY RECEIVED A $2 MILLION GRANT FROM THE BUSH FOUNDATION THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THINGS WERE BETTER THAT BUT JUST FROM TICKET REVENUES ALONE AND A DECREASING AMOUNT OF TICKET REVENUE THEY'RE JUST NOT ABLE TO SURVIVE AND I DON'T KNOW THAT ARTISTRY WOULD BE ABLE TO SURVIVE EITHER. I THINK IT'S ALSO TELLING THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT THIS COUNCIL AND A NUMBER OF FOLKS HAVE BROUGHT IT UP THE NEED FOR TO SEE A BUSINESS PLAN WHAT WHAT THIS MEAN HOW ARE WE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE OUTCOME AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO REALIZE THAT WHAT WE CAN EXPECT I THINK IF WE APPROVE THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT PLAN BY THIS DECEMBER AND I THINK A BUSINESS NEXT DECEMBER DECEMBER OF 2023 AND IN MY MIND THAT'S JUST NOT TENABLE IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MANAGE IN TERMS OF AN ARTS ORGANIZATIONND AN INVESTME OF THAT KIND THAT THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON WILL MAKE. THERE ARE OTHER ITEMS AS WELL WE'VE TALKED ABOUT I MEAN THIS IS NOT AN INSIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY. I THINK COUNCILMEMBER D'ALESSANDRO BROUGHT IT UP. IT'S IT'S EQUAL TO ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT GREATER THAN 1% OF A OF OUR LEVY OF A LEVY INCREASE. WE HAVE OTHER THINGS TO CONSIDER THE THE EQUITY OF WHAT OUR OTHER FINE ARTS ORGANIZATIONS RECEIVE FROM THE CITY AND WHAT THEY COULD THEN EXPECT TO RECEIVE IF WE WOULD DO THIS KIND OF THING. AND I THINK ME THAN ANYTHING WHAT IT SAYS JUST FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT OF AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN TERMS OF WHAT'S A PRIORITY FOR THE CITY, I THINK WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION COUNCILMEMBER CARTER ABOUT IS THIS THIS MONEY WOULD come FROM A STRATEGIC PRIORITIES FUND AND THE QUESTION IS IS THIS OUR STRATEGIC OR STRATEGIC PRIORITY? AND AGAIN I WOULD COUNTER THAT THE ARTS ARE A STRATEGIC PRIORITY IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON AND WE CONTRIBUTE MIGHTILY TO STRATEGIC PRIORITY. BUT I JUST THINK THIS IS ABOVE AND BEYOND WHERE NEED TO CONTRIBUTE OR WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO CONTRIBUTE AT THI TIME. **[01:00:15] Councilmember Danielle Robertson:** THANK YOU. MAYOR, DID YOU HAVE OTHER REMARKS OR NO, I DID NOT. I DID NOT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND I'LL ECHO I'VE BEEN PRETTY FLOORED BY THE STORIES THAT I'VE HEARD OVER THE PAST WEEK OR SO HOW ARTISTRY HAS TOUCHED PEOPLE'S LIVES AND UPLIFTS IN THE COMMUNITY AND I AGREE WITH THAT WHOLEHEARTEDLY. IT IS A TREMENDOUS ASSET BUT KIND OF ALONG THE LINES YOU WERE SPEAKING TO MAYOR SO THERE'S $750,000 LOAN TO BEGIN REPAYMENT IN 2024 FROM WHAT I DERSTAND FROM THE PRESTATIONS GETS TOUGH THE 2022 TO 2023 SEASON DURING THAT TIME WE WOULD LEADERSHIP WOULD BE WORKING TO IN THE DOCUMENT THEY PROVIDED STABILIZE THE FINANCIALS DO A FULL PROGRAM EVALUATION INCLUDING TO DIVERSIFY AND ATTRACT NEW AUDIENCES WHICH I THINK IS SOMETHING EVERY ARTS ORGANIZATION IN THE COUNTRY IS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT RIGHT NOW BUILD A ROBUST DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THEN ENGAGE IN AN ORGANIZATION ORGANIZATION WIDE STRATEGIC PLANNING PROCESS. AND WHAT I FIND FRUSTRATING ABOUT THIS WHOLE EXPERIENCE AND NOT TO SPEAK ON ANYBODY'S BEHALF BUT IT PROBABLY A LOT OF US IS THAT THAT COULD ABSOLUTELY I BET TSE ELEMENTS COULDOME TOGETHER ATOME POINT BUT I VERY MUCH DOUBT IT'S GOING TO BE BY THE END OF THE 2022 TO 2023 SEASON. AND WE WOULD BE RIGHT BACK HERE WITH A MORE FLESHED OUT PLAN AND ANOTHER ASK FOR 750 GRAND OR WHATEVER IT BE AT THAT POINT. SO I THINK IN TERMS OF AN INVESTMENT CITY RESOURCES IT HAS TO SUCCEED ATHAT TIME OR IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT A LOAN, IT'S A GAMBLE AND I'M JUST NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE LEVEL OF RISK INVOLVED, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING TAXPAYER DOLLARS. AND I'LL JUST SAY BRIEFLY BECAUSE I HAD ASKED MANY QUESTIONS LAST ABOUT TURNING THIS OVER TO A VENUE MANAGEMENT ORGANIZATION OR KIND OF ALLUDEDO THE ROAD MODEL KIND OF ON SOME ADDITIONAL REFLECTION AND LOOKING AT THE ESTIMATED I THINK JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING IS SO TREMENDOUSLY VALUABLE FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND BENEFICIAL FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND ARTS AND CULTURE ABSOLUTELY IS. I AM NERVOUS TO SAY IT OBLIGATES THE CITY TO GUARANTEE IT'S PROVIDED IN THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S AN LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE STRUGGLED A WHOLE LOT OF AREAS OF OUR COMMUNITY THAT I JUST SEE SOME REALLY DANGEROUS MISSION CREEP IF WE GET THE MODE OF ENSURING THAT THINGS FOLKS APPRECIATE CONTINUE IN THEIR CURRENT FORM. SO I WOULD NEED TO ADVOCATE FOR OPTION THREE TONIGHT BUT I WILL SAY I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE I'VE HEARD FROM COUNCILMEMBER CARTER. **[01:02:45] Councilmember Jenna Carter:** THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO FIRST I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO ALL THE RESIDENTS WHO HAVE EMAILED US, WHO HAVE CALLED US, WHO TAKEN THE TIME TO COMMENT A LOT OF PASSION, A LOT OF LOVE AND IT CAN DEFINITELY FELT FOR THE ARTS IN BLOOMINGTON AND LIKE MANY THE PEOPLE WE'VE HEARD FROM WHICH I THINK IS PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY WOULD EVER SAY THEY'RE ON IN TERMS OF SUPPORTING OR NOT I FEEL LIKE I FEEL LIKE EVERYBODY HAS EXPRESSED THEIR SADNESS AND THEIR DISAPPOINTMENT. SO I THINK THAT THAT AND THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO ARTICULATE HOW I FEEL. I ALSO SAY THAT I PERSONALLY EVER SINCE WE STARTED THIS CONVERSATION I'VE KIND OF TRIED TO BRING MYSELF ALONG AND CONVINCED MYSELF THAT YES, IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO BUT QUITE HONESTLY I'VE JUST GOTTEN MORE AND MORE ANGRY LIKE I'VE JUST GOTTENNGRIER THAT THAT THIS THE BURDEN OF THIS DECISION AND POTENTIALLY ART HISTORY'S FATE HAS BEEN PUT ON OUR PLATES EVEN THOUGH IT WAS NOT OUR FAILURE IN LEADERSHIP. AND SO I HOPE THAT FOR THOSE WHO ARE LISTENING, FOR THOSE WHO HAVE REACHED OUT I MEAN I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE RESIDENTS ANGRY AND UPSET EITHER WAY NO MATTER WHAT DECISION WE MAKE. AND AGAIN, I JUST FEEL LIKE IT HAS BEEN UNFAIR TO PUT THE COUNCIL IN THIS POSITION. BUT WITH THAT A COUPLE OER COMMENTS I WANTED TO MAKE. I LOOK AT THE TERM SHEET. THE PANDEMIC AS MENTIONED IS WHY THE ONES BEING ASKED FOR BUT I THINK IT'S EXACTLY BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC THAT. THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN INTENSE SCRUTINY ON THE FINANCIALS OF THIS ORGANIZATION. THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN MONTHLY FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETINGS THAT WERE REVIEWING THE STATEMENT OF ACTIVITY. I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT WASN'T HAPPENING. I THINK THERE WERE WE RECOGNIZE THAT THERE WERE MANY THINGS GOING ON THAT LED TO THAT. BUT IT'S BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC THAT THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE FINANCIAL OVERSIGHT. AND SO I CAN THERE WERE RED FLAGS AND SO I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND WHY IT TOOK SO LONG TO FIGURE OUT WHY ARTISTRY WAS IN THIS POSITION. WE HAVE MANY MANY WONDERFUL NONPROFITS IN BLOOMINGTON. I SERVED ON THE BOARD OF VP IF DEEP WAS EVER IN TROUBLE. I MEAN IF THEY come TO THE CITY ARE WE GOING TO PROVIDE A LOAN IF THE OTHER ARTS ORGANIZATIONS I THINK THIS HAS BEEN MENTIONED BUT JUST DON'T THINK IT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR US TO SET THAT TYPE OF PRECEDENT. AND THEN I'VE ALSO NOT SEEN THE FINANCIAL MODELING THAT CONVINCES ME THAT ARTISTRY WILL BE SUCCESSFUL IF GIVEN THESE DOLLARS AND IF IT'S NOT SUCCESSFUL THE $750,000 WILL NOT BE PAID BACK BAUSE THE ARTISTRY ISSSETS ARE NOT GREAT TO PROVIDE THAT GUARANTEE. SO WE ARE ASKING THE RESIDENTS OF BLOOMINGTON, THE TAXPAYERS OF BLOOMINGTON TO FUND ARTISTRY A TOTAL OF ABOUT $1,000,000 THIS YEAR THEN AND I DON'T THINK I THINK THAT'S TOO MUCH RISK FOR THE TAXPAYERS OF BLOOMINGTON. SO AGAIN, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE GOING TO BE MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE UPSET WITH ME FOR NOT SUPPORTING THIS LOAN THIS DECISION. BUT AGAIN, I HOPE THAT THOSE WHO HAVE EXPRESSED THEIR THEIR INTEREST IN US APPROVING THIS ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU KNOW, THE RESPONSIBILITY IN THE ACCOUNTABILITY OF FINANCIAL OVERSIGHT IS THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF ARTISTRY AND SO AS THE CITY COUNCIL OF BLOOMINGTON OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO BE JUDICIOUS WITH THE TAXPAYERS DOLLARS OF BLOOMINGTON AND THAT'S WHY I'M MAKING THE DECISION THAT I'M MAKING TONIGHT. SO I FEEL SAD ABOUT THE STATE OF THE ORGANIZATION AND IF ARTISTRY HAS TO CLOSE I DOORS IT WILL B A LOSS A TRUE LOSS TO OUR COMMUNITY BUT I ALSO BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE WILL RALLY AND AND AN ORGANIZATION WILL COME FORWARD AND SO WITH THAT I WILL END MY COMMENTS BUT I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE ONE. THANK YOU COUNCIL. MEMBER D'ALESSANDRO. **[01:06:30] Councilmember Lona Dallessandro:** THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. NERD ALERT AS ALWAYS WITH ME. RIGHT ANYBODY ELSE FEELING LIKE THEY'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A KOBAYASHI MARU SCENARIO? I THINK I ECHO THE SENTIMENTS OF FRUSTRATION THAT COUNCILMEMBER CARTER PUT OUT THERE BECAUSE I DON'T FEEL LIKE THIS IS THE KIND OF CHOICE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD EVER BE IN THE POSITION TO MAKE, WHICH IS TO ASK TO BE ASKED TO HOLD IN ITS HANDS, YOU KNOW, THE POTENTIAL SURVIVAL OR NOT OF A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION THAT IS NOT BOUND TO THE CITY BY ANYTHING OTHER THAN GOODWILL, TRADITION AND JOY. WHAT A HORRIBLE THING TO HAVE TO SAY TO THAT. YOU KNOW, THE IMMENSE AMOUNT OF OF JOY AND AND VALID GORGEOUS YOU KNOW WORK THAT THE MEMBERS OF ARTISTRY HAVE DONE OVER THE YEARS THAT THAT WE'RE PUTTING UP AGAINST A SCENARIO THAT IS JUST TO JUSTIFY FROM A PURELY FINANCIAL IF I TAKE THE NAME ARTISTRY AND I TAKE ALL THE TRADITION OF ARTISTRY OUT AND I'M MAYBE I'M A LENDER AT A BANK AND I'M SITTING HERE LOOKING ATHE INFORMATION HAVE IN FRONT OF ME. THERE'S NOT A CHANCE IN THE WORLD WOULD SAY YES TO THAT LOAN. AND I AND I THINK THE REASON THAT WE'RE TONIGHT IS BECAUSE ARTISTRY, LEADERSHIP KNOWS THAT AND THEY'RE COUNTING ON, YOU KNOW, THE PULLING ON OUR HEARTSTRINGS VALID AS IT IS TO TO TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT ARE JUST FINANCIALLY SOUND. AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT SHOULDN'T PUT A PERCENTAGE OF OUR OF OUR LIBRARY EVERY YEAR INTO THE ARTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE THAT'S ON THE TABLE. TRT ME, WISH THAT I COULD WRITE A $75,000 CHECK LIKE MR. WILLIAMS DID. I WOULD WRITE I MEAN AND I WISH TEN PEOPLE LIKE HIM DID SO THEN WE WOULDN'T BE HERE BECAUSE THEY'D HAVE THEIR $750,000 AND WE WOULDN'T BE BURDENING THE TAXPAYERS WITH THIS I MEAN I DON'T KNOW HOW AT THE END OF THE DAY WE GOT HERE I DON'T I HAVE NOT YET UNDERSTOOD HOW IT CAME TO PASS THAT THE LEADERSHIP OF ARTISTRY THOUGHT TO COME TO THE CITY IN THE FIRST PLACE LIKE I DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW WHO KICKED OFF THE CONVERSATIONS BUT HAVING SAID THAT IT PROBABLY REALLY DOESN'T MATTER. YOU KNOW WE HAVE TO MAKE WE'VE MADE REALLY HARD DECISIONS OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS I THIS IS THE HARDEST DECISION I'VE HAD TO MAKE SITTING HERE AND I HAVEN'T HERE THAT LONG SO I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TO TO HEAR FROM SO MANY RESIDENTS DID MY PERSONAL ACCOUNTS AND MY MY OWN PERSONAL ACCOUNT TO ME DIRECTLY NEVER MIND THE OTHER COMMENTS WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT IS OVER 50 PEOPLE WHICH IS WONDERFUL IN ENGAGEMENTS AND I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT FOR EVERY ISSUE THAT WE TACKLE I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT. BUT IT'S A TESTAMENT TO HOW TRULY THE ARTS IS THOUGHT OF IN IN IN THE CITY AND BY THE WAY THAT $185,000 YOU KNOW I DON'T THINK THAT INCLUDES THAT PLACEMAKING DOLLARS THAT WE ALSO INCLUDE. RIGHT. SO IF YOU TAKE THAT ON WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO HALF A MILLION DOLLARS EVERY YEAR THAT WE WORK ON TO ON ART STUFF HERE YOU KNOW OVER AND ABOVE ALL THE GREAT WORK THAT OUR RESIDENT ORGANIZATIONS DO. RIGHT. THE ONE THING I WILL SAY IS THAT REALLY HOPE THAT NO MATTER WHAT THE OUTCOME IS TONIGHT AND I WILL BE CLEAR I WON'T SUPPORT THE LOAN TONIGHT THAT THAT WE FIND WHETHER IT'S THROUGH THE FINE ARTS COUNCIL THE Y KNOW, THE T OTHER IN THE METRO AREA AND EVERYTHING TO TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT IT'S NOT VERY LONG THAT YOU KNOW OUR, PERFORMING ARTS CENTERS ARE IS DARK IF THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS BECAUSE BLOOMINGTON NEEDS THE ARTS AND THEY SAID IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN BOTH BY THEIR ATTENDANCE AND THEIR ENTHUSIASM AND THEIR AND THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE BEEN GETTING OVER THE YEARS. SO I THINK I'LL END WITH THAT AND I, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AND I HOPE TO NEVER BE PUT IN THIS KIND OF POSITION AGAIN. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS AND THEN COUNCILMEMBER NELSON. COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS. **[01:10:30] Councilmember Victor Rivas:** THANK YOU, MAYOR. WELL, I'VE BEEN AT THIS FIVE YEARS NOW AND I THINK I CAN COUNT NOSES AS WELL AS ANYBODY SO I THINK I KNOW WHERE WE'RE HEADED AND I DO WANT TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS AND I'M GOING TO EXCUSE ME I'M GOING TO TRY NOT TO GET I WAS TO SAY I'M GOING TO TRY NOT TO GET EMOTIONAL PERHAPS AETTER PHRASES AND I'M GOING TO TRY NOT TO GET TOO EMOTIONAL I THINK WE NEED TO BE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE AND I CERTAINLY RESPECT FOLKS WHO SAY THAT THIS SHOULDN'T BE THE CITY'S ROLE, THAT THIS IS NOT THE POLICY CHOICE THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE. AND YOU KNOW, I RESPECT THAT. I REALLY DO. I IT IS FAIR TO ASK THE QUESTION BUT THE REALITY IS BEING ELECTED OFFICIALS WE ARE CALLED UPON TO MAKE THE DIFFICULT DECISIONS AND WE ARE HERE TOD. YES. BECAUSE THIS WAS THE AVENUE THAT WAS AVAILABLE AND BECAUSE FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS MOST SPECIFICALLY TIMING THERE IS THERE WAS JUST NOT ANOTHER OPTION AVAILABLE TO TO OUR HISTORY'S LEADERSHIP. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO BE CLEAR THAT WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE TONIGHT IS IN ALL LIKELIHOOD THE END OF ARTISTRY AND I SAY THAT NOT ONLY FOR THE FINANCIAL REASONS BUT LET'S BE CLEAR EVEN IF THE CURRENT ART HISTORY IS SOMEHOW BEFORE THEY RUN DRY ABLE TO APPROACH A BANK THEY WILL BE DOING SO WITH A NEGATIVE VOTE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY IN WHICH ART HISTORY IS LOCATED AND MAYBE THEY WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN APPROVED TO BEGIN WITH. I YOU KNOW THERE ARE OTHERS ADMITTEDLY MINE IS NOT A BUSINESS MIND THAT'S, NOT MY BACKGROUND, IT'SOT MY AREA OFXPERIENCE. I GET THAT MAYBE THEY WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN APPROVED WITHOUT IT BUT THEY WILL HAVE THAT IN ADDITION TO EVERYTHING ELSE. AND I THINK WHAT WE HAVE HEARD TONIGHT AND THE PAST FEW WEEKS AND ADMITTEDLY THERE IS THERE IS NOT UNANIMITY AS THERE NEVER IS BUT THERE IS SUPPORT FROM COMMUNITY, THERE IS SUPPORT FROM RESIDENTS, THERE IS SUPPORT FROM BUSINESSES. I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE EVER SEEN THE PRESIDENT OF LARKIN HOFFMAN, ONE OF THE OLDEST MOST ESTABLISHED BUSINESSES IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON COME AND ADVOCATE TO US FOR ANYTHING. AND HE ADVOCATED THIS AND THERE IS SUPPORT FROM THE ARTS COMMUNITY. SOMEONE SAID TONIGHT THERE IS NOT ANOTHER PLATFORM LIKE ARTISTRY AND YOU KNOW WITH OPTION TWO OR OPTION THREE MAYBE WE CAN GET OUT SUSTAINABLE ROADHOUSE TYPE MODEL THAT CAN WORK. I MEAN WITH ANOTHER ONE JUST SOUTH OF THE RIVER AND ANOTHER ONE LITERALLY IN THIS CITY AT THE MASONIC HOME I'M EXTREMELY SKEPTICAL THAT THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AND TO S NOTHING OF HAPPEN ANY TIME IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS I THINK YOU KNOW, NOBODY'S REALLY MENTIONED I DON'T THINK ANYBODY THINKS OPTION TWO JUST BASED ON THE EXPENSE IS IS REALLY WORTH PURSUING. BUT AGAIN AS WE HAVE HEARD FROM FOLKS WHO KNOW AND I AM CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO EXCUSE ARTISTRY FORMER LEADERSHIP OR ANY MEMBER OF THE BOARD MYSELF INCLUDED. BUT WE HAVE HEARD FOLKS IN THE INDUSTRY SAY THAT I WE WERE TO SWITCH TO A ROAD HOUSE MODEL IT WILL NOT BE LOCAL EMPLOYMENT. IT'S NOT GOING T BE T FOLKS WHO SUPPORT OUR LOCAL ECONOMY. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE FOLKS WHO SHOP HERE IN BLOOMINGTON WHO EAT HERE IN BLOOMINGTON. IT'S GOING TO BE FOLKS FROM TOURING COMPANIES OR OTHER CITIES AND BOTH OF THOSE OPTIONS WOULD REQUIRE THIS ESSENTIALLY THE CITY TO PUT TOGETHER A NEW ORGANIZATION THAT AS I SAID I AM JUST EXTREMELY SKEPTICAL IS GOING TO EASILY GET OFF THE GROUND AND I THINK IT IS UNNECESSARY FOR US TO THAT WHEN WE HAVE THE EXPERIENCE, WHEN WE HAVE THE DEDICATION FROM THE STAFF THAT HAS BEEN WORKING THESE LAST FEW WEEKS MAKE THIS WORK AND I DO BELIEVE THEY CAN IT CAN WORK. I GET THAT IT IS A NOT INSIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT OF PUBLIC DOLLARS AND THAT HAS WEIGHED ON MY MIND AS WELL AS I AS I MENTIONED LITERALLY MY OWN FAMILY HAVE TALKED TO ME ABOUT THIS. IT COMES FROM A FUND THAT AT THE END OF NEXT YEAR WILL STILL HAVE A POSITIVE BALANCE OF $4.6 MILLION. IT IT IS NOT AN INSIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT I'M NOT SAYING OTHERWISE BUT IT'S NOT GOING BREAK THE BANK AND I I IN THE CONVERSATIONS THAT I'VE HAD AND I'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS WITH NEW LEADERSHIP WHAT THIS FUNDING WILL ALLOW THEM DO IS TO GET THAT RUNWAY TO BUILD THE ORGANIZATION BACK, TO DO THOSE THINGS THAT WE ALL BELIEVE THEY SHOULD DO. SO I MEAN AS I SAID, I HAVE A SENSE OF WHERE THIS IS ALL GOING. I'M I JUST WANT TO SAY AGAIN THAT I AM I AM EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED THAT. THIS IS THIS IS THE RESULT OF THIS. AND YOU KNOW, AGAIN I WOULD RATHER WE NOT HAVE TO MAKE THIS CHOICE EITHER. BUT WE'RE THE ONES THAT ARE FACED WITH THE CHOICE AND I AM JUST EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED THAT THIS IS THE CHOICE ARE MAKING WHATEVER OPTION AND I I AS I SAID I'M IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THERE IS NOT THE SUPPORT FOR OPTION ONE SO I'M NOT GOING TO ATTEMPT TO TO MOVE FORWARD THAT WHATEVER OPTION WE DO IT NEEDS TO BE BASED IN THE COMMUNITY. IT NEEDS TO GET IN FROM THE LOCAL FOLKS, THE FOLKS WHO KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE ON THE GROUND SO THAT WE CAN BUILD SOMETHING THAT SUPPORTS THE LOCAL COMMUNITY I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT WE AREN'T ABLE BUILD ON SOMETHING THAT ALREADY DOES THAT BUT WE ARE WHERE WE ARE SO. HOWEVER WE MOVE FORWARD TONIGHT PLEASE KEEP IT FOCUSED. THE LOCAL COMMUNITY COUNCILMEMBER NELSON. **[01:16:30] Councilmember Shawn Nelson:** DURANGO OKAY THANK MAYOR I'LL BE VERY BRIEF HERE BECAUSE I THINK ALL KNOW WHERE THIS IS GOING AND IT TAKES FIVE VOTES TO PASS THAT AND THAT'S NOT THERE. SO IN MY MIND I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES OF REGARDING THE BUSINESS DECISION THIS WOULD BE IF I WAS A BANK I ABSOLUTELY NOT MAKE THIS LOAN BASED ON THE INFORMATION I HAVE BASED ON WHAT I SEE IN MY MIND THOUGH IT'S NOT A BUSINESS DECISION. THAT'S NOT WHY WE'RE UP HERE THIS A COMMUNITY AMENITY DECISION AND I DON'T BELIEVE NOT PASSING THIS MEANS YOU DON'T SUPPORT THE ARTS. I'M NOT SAYING THAT AT ALL. I THINK THE QUESTION MORE IN MY MIND IS THIS THE BEST WAY FORRD FOR TATER IN PARTICULAR FOR VISUAL ARTS, FOR THE CREATIVE PLACEMAKING, FOR THOSE THINGS THAT ARTISTRY IS THIS THE BEST WAY FORWARD AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPING BUSINESS PLAN AND A DEVELOPMENT PLAN OVER THE COURSE OF YEARS AT THE COST OF $750,000. I GOT TO THINK WE CAN GET THAT DONE FOR LESS MONEY THAN THAT. WE CAN STILL PUT TOGETHER THIS PROBABLY COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS'S POINT MEANS THE END OF ARTISTRY. IT DOES NOT THE END OF THEATER DOES NOT MEAN THE END OF VISUAL ARTS. IT DOES NOT MEA THE END OF THOSE THINGS TO THE PAUL FROM LARK HOFFMAN MEETING WITH THE CHAMBER TOMORROW WE ABSOLUTELY NEED TO come TOGETHER WITH THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY. WE NEED TO come TOGETHER WITH THE DONOR COMMUNITY. WE NEED TO come TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY AND FIGURE OUT THE RIGHT PATH FORWARD. AND I TRULY BELIEVE WE CAN DO THAT FOR LESS THAN $750,000. I TRULY BELIEVE we CAN GET SOMEWHERE THAT IS REALLY GOOD FOR THIS COMMUNITY WE'VE GOT SO PEOPLE PASSIONATE ABOUT ARTS IN THIS COMMUNITY WE HAVE SUCH A GREAT AND OPPORTUNITY HERE. WE JUST NEED A REBOOT. YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED HERE DIDN'T WORK. WE A REBOOT. WE NEED TO START THAT OVER AND WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER IN THE CITY. ABSOLUTELY HAS TO PLAY A ROLE AND I BELIEVE THAT WHEN THERE IS A PLAN IN PLACE AND THERE IS FUNDING NEEDED WITH A GOOD STRONG PLAN THAT THIS CITY WILL STAND THERE AND BE PREPARED TO SUPPORT THAT AND THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO GO IN MY MIND THAT'S THE DIRECTION TO GO AND I AGREE WITH OTHER COLLEAGUES AND SOME OF THE SPEAKERS HERE. I THINK THE ROAD HOUSE IDEA ALTHOUGH TALKED TO THE CITY MANAGER ABOUT IT BEFORE I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO GO. YOU I COMMENTED LAST TIME ABOUT COMMUNITY THEATER AND THAT IS ABSOLUTELYHINK ONE OF THE MOST VITAL THINGS THAT ARE SPECIAL ABOUT WHAT ARTISTRY HAS DONE IS PROVIDING THOSE OPPORTUNITIES FOR ARTISTS FOR THOSE PEOPLE IN COMMUNITY THAT THAT WANT TO GET THAT PART OF THEIR CREATIVE OUT THERE. WE NEED TO PROVIDE THAT OPPORTUNITY HERE IN BLOOMINGTON. IT'S SUCH AN IMPORTANT THING AND SO I ABSOLUTELY WOULD NOT SUPPORT GO IN THAT DIRECTION AND I WOULD SUPPORT IF THERE IS A REQUEST OR A PROCESS OR A PLAN WHERE WE NEED TO INVEST IN STRATEGIC PLANNING AND BRING THOSE TOGETHER THAT WE COULD PLAY THAT ROLE. I KNOW MAYOR YOU TALKED LOT ABOUT ALIGNMENT. HOW DO WE WORK AS A COUNCIL, AS A CITY TO BRI ALIGNMENT AROUND THIS AND FIX THIS GOING FORWARD THAT? THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I WOULD ASK US TO DO. AND I THINK THAT'S SOME OF WHAT I HEARD FROM COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS AS WELL AS YOU KNOW, HE SAW A PLATFORM THERE. BUT I THINK THAT ULTIMATELY FROM WHAT I'M HEARING THAT'S WHAT IT'S DRIVING ALL OF US EVERYONE WHO SPOKE TONIGHT BELIEVES IN THE ARTS AND THANK YOU LET'S LET'S GET THIS DONE LET'S LET'S FIGURE OUT A GOOD PATH FORWARD. THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN. **[01:19:45] Councilmember Dwayne Lowman:** CITY MAYOR EVERY MORNING AND ACTUALLY OVER THE PANDEMIC I HAD PUT UP IN MY OFFICE AT HOME PAINTING THAT MY SISTER IN LAW'S AUNT HAD HAD HAD DONE SO IT'S PAINTING OF THE CENTER FOR THE ARTS AS YOU KIND WALK IN AND SO I'M KIND OF REMINDED OF THAT AND IT'S IT'S A REMINDER TO MYSELF THE ROLE THAT ARTS HAS PLAYED IN MY LIFE AND CERTAINLY THERE IS A GREAT DEAL OF HISTORY HERE WITHIN THIS BUILDING AND WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AS RELATES WE HEARD THAT THIS EVENING IN THERE'S GOING TO BE A FUTURE OF THOSE ARTS AS AS WE LOOK FORWARD IN 2015 OH A DIFFERENT COUNCIL SET HERE AND HEARD MANY OF THE THINGS THAT WERE BROUGHT FORWARD BY ARTISTRY AND WHAT IT ALL AMOUNTED TO WAS ABOUT $1.5 MILLION WORTH OF EITHER LOANS OR GRANTS THAT WERE PROVIDED TO ARTISTRY AT THAT TIME. OVER A MONTH AGO I HAD ASKED ARTISTRY TO TO GO BACK THEIR ORIGINAL REQUEST AND LOOK THROUGH WHAT MADE SENSE AND TO BRING FORWARD TO BODY A REALISTIC NUMBER BY WHICH THAT THEY WOULD B ABLEO PUT TOGETHER A BUSINESS PLAN A REASONABLE TIMEFRAME BY WHICH TO DO THAT THAT TIME FRAME. MAYOR I THINK THEY'VE BROUGHT THAT BACK. THEY'VE UPPED THE AMOUNT QUITE A BIT MORE THAN I THOUGHT THEY WOULD BUT THEY DID. THEY BROUGHT IT BACK. THEY GAVE A TIMEFRAME FOR BOTH A DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND A BUSINESS PLAN. I WAS DISAPPOINTED WITH HOW IT LOOKED BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU KNOW, IT'S A VOLUNTEER ORGANIZATION AND THEY'RE RUSHING TO GET THESE ITEMS DONE. AND SO I LOOKED AT THAT AND SAID OKAY, WE'RE MAKING SOME OF SGESTIONS. THE PROEM I HAVE WITHHE DECISIONHAT THAT WE'RE MAKING TONIGHT IS I THINK THE TIME TO UNWIND THIS ORGANIZATION WOULD HAVE BEEN BACK WHEN WERE ASKING FOR THE HUNDRED $50,000 TO GO TO OUR DISTRICT. I THINK THAT WAS THE MOMENT IN WHICH THAT WE SHOULD HAVE UNWOUND THIS THIS THING WE'VE ALREADY PUT THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY INTO IT AND WE'VE ALSO INVESTED OVER 1.5 MILLION PLUS INTO ARTISTRY ALL THE HISTORY THAT'S THERE THAT'S PART OF THAT. I WISH THAT THE LEADERSHIP OF ART HISTORY WOULD HAVE LEARNED FROM ITS FIRST FINANCIAL MELTDOWN. I KNOW THAT WE COUNCIL DID THAT WITH THE FIRE PENSION WE RAN INTO ISSUE BACK IN 2008 FIRE PENSION WE CREATED A A RAINY DAY FUND TO BE ABLE TO TO WEATHER THAT WE'VE HAD OTHER EXAMPLES THAT I COULD CITE AND I WON'T SPEND THE TIME BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY I CAN SEE WHERE THIS IS GOING THIS EVENING AND CERTAINLY I HAVE BEEN ANGRY ABOUT THE INABILITY OF OUR HISTORY TO BE ABLE TO PLAN AHEAD AND THE YOU KNOW, THE LIABILITY THAT YOU know, they first put us in back in 2015 then again today. But I look at Art history differently than I do other arts organizations that are within the city. I look at Art history a being more of arm of economic development and by terminating that economic development plan today even though they don't have it together again today I think that that is a rather large loss. I mayor what you mean and I totally agree the model by which they put that they were bringing forward in their advocating for the 40% supported tax tickets in 60% of external model if you look out there and the arts that just doesn't work and that's what I was really hoping to get a chance to see with giving them a little more time frame to to roll that out of it. So I've actually come to seeing things a little bit differently than how my colleagues see this and what I would you know, try to try to wrap this up is when you look at the other options that are available for us too dow if we take the third option that really does not give us a development or economic development arm with the length of history or the prestige that Artistry has. Nor if you look at the secondary option that does shut down the possibility of having local engagement within that process in it's essentially cost us more than the amount of that we would be investing in this particular proposal. And I think that what we're going to find is it's sort of like the stadium effect, you know, with the Twins or the the Vikings or that kind thing. You know, once the the the entity has left the town to get it to come back at this level is going to be extremely difficult to do and to be able replicate. And so while I cringe and I continue to cringe at that number and and I I've said it before I just think that that price is high to be able to do that. But I think that when we look at later down the line we're going to find that this is what we're going to need to do something to this degree. It's going to cost us this more to be able to to get this type of economic within the city. And I think Mayor no, you're absolutely right. If we look back to the development or to our discussion that we had in terms of strategic priorities, this really does not fit into that although unfortunately sometimes emergencies, you know, present themselves and you need to take a chance to do it. So would you know, I again I look to my colleagues and say that, you know, I understand why you wouldn't want to do this tonight but I don't I don't I think saying no to this process of precipitates the necessity for us to figure out what is that next step. And I think if you look at the two options that were laid out by staff and this is one of the reasons why I voted no last meeting is I didn't think we had enough time to viably come up with options that I think were workable and so I these two options that are presented before us today I cannot support and I will not support because I do not believe that they are in that fiduciary responsibility of this body to be able to move forward and certainly maybe this this first plan is not either but I don't I like what I see here and I just I can't support that those two options to an option three moving forward. So I honestly think we ought to look at something else here. So barring no other economically option, I will be tonight supporting this this first option that's here understanding the concerns. But I'm going to support I think that we need to think about this as we're moving forward and there is a level that we're going to need to if we're going to have this type of economic development, we're going to need to support going and I don't know what that looks like and I want to see somebody who's got that of experience do that work. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. **[01:25:45] Mayor Tim Busse:** THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER COUNCIL WITH ALL THAT WE'VE HEARD AND EVERYBODY HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHIME IN HERE, I'M GOING TO MOVE THAT WE DECLINED THE FUNDING REQUEST. WE GO WITH OPTION AS OUTLINED BY STAFF AND DIRECT STAFF TO DO AN ANALYSIS OF HOW TO MOVE FORWARD IN THE FUTURE. DO WE HAVE A SECOND, MR. MAYOR. DO WE NEED TO MAKE A SECOND BEFORE THE DISCUSSION BECAUSE I HAD SOME QUESTIONSBOUT SOME OF THETHER KIND OF WE MAKE THE SECOND THEN WE THEN WE MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION. OKAY SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND SO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR SO COUNCILMEMBER. CARTER AND THEN ALSO MEMBER D'ALESSANDRO. **[01:26:30] Councilmember Jenna Carter:** THANK YOU MAYOR SO SOME OF THE COMMENTS MADE THIS MAKE ME FEEL A LITTLE BIT MORE OPTIMISTIC AND I AM AN OPTIMISTIC PERSON SO YOU KNOW MR. WILLIAMS TALKING ABOUT THE FACT PEOPLE NEED TO BE ASKED THE CONVERSATIONS WITH CHAMBERS IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE ARE STILL A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS HAPNING AND AND SO I KNOW THAT WHEN CITY MANAGER KIND OF SET UP THE CONVERSATIONS THIS IS ALL ASSUMING THAT ARTISTRY CEASES TO EXIST. BUT I ALSO FEEL LIKE IT'S HELPFUL FOR US TO ASSUME THAT WILL CONTINUE. IT JUST MAY BE AT A SMALLER OR IT JUST MAY LOOK A LITTLE DIFFERENT AND SO I ALSO KIND OF AS PART OF THIS MOTION I GUESS I WOULD HOPE THAT ONGOING SUPPORT NONFINANCIAL SUPPORT OF ARTISTRY THROUGH, THE EX-OFFICIO ROLES AND JUST HELPING TO SUPPORT THEM IN THEIR CONVERSATIONS TO GET GRANTS AND OTHER FINANCIAL OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE WOULD STILL BE SUPPORTIVE AND I THINK THAT THAT'S ALSO IT COUNCILMEMBER NELSON WAS SAYING. **[01:27:30] Councilmember Lona Dallessandro:** THANK YOU MAYOR. YES, I AGREE WITH THAT. WHEN WE FIRST BROUGHT THE WHEN THIS FIRST came TO COUNCIL, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I ASKED WAS WHY DO WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS MONEY UP FRONT? WHY CAN'T WE HAVE THIS COMMITMENT MADE OR TIME WITH RFORMANCE METCS PLACE AS AS MEASURED BY THE BY THE THE ACCOUNTABILITY OF THE ORGANIZATION SO FOR EXAMPLE AND I'M I HOPE I'M GOING TO GET THIS MATH RIGHT WE DID 350 THEN TO 50 THEN TO 50 OVER THREE SUBSEQUENT YEARS WITH PERFORMANCE METRICS THERE WE WOULDN'T PUTTING THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY AT RISK AND WE WOULD GET THE INFORMATION WE NEEDED IN FRONT OF IN OF US BEFORE WE WOULD MAKE A COMMITMENT. IN OTHER WORDS IT WOULD BE IT WOULD BE THE SAME CMITMENT OUT OF THE SAME FUND BUT WITH POSITION IN PLACE THAT WE COULD WITHDRAW THAT SUPPORT IF THEY DON'T MEET THEIR TARGETS AND ONE OF THE NONE OF THE PRESENTATIONS TONIGHT INCLUDES OPTION AND I'M JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE EVEN CONSIDERED IT AND IF THAT COULD BE AN ALTERNATIVE TO WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US TONIGHT. **[01:28:30] Zach Walker:** THANK YOU MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS COUNCILMEMBER D'ALESSANDRO, I THINK THE REASON YOU DON'T SEE IT AMONG THE OPTIONS IS IT'S NOT SOMHING THAT ARTISY S RESPONDED POSITIVELY TO AS AN OPTION. THEY ASKED FOR THE $350,000. THEY ASKED FOR 500,000 ORIGINALLY COUNCIL GRANTED 150 AND SAID come BACK AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE 350. AND WHEN THEY came BACK THEY SAID THAT 750 IS THE RIGHT NUMBER. THEY HAVE NOT PROFFERED THE POSSIBILITY THAT 352 5250 IS WORKABLE FOR THEM. I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK THEIR BEHALF BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT 350 DOESN'T GUARANTEE THEIR SUCCESS AT 750 IN THEIR EYES ISUCH MORE LIKELY ASSURE THEIR STABILITY THAT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO BUILD FROM NOTHING THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THAT SAME LEVEL OF CONFIDENCE FOR 350 FROM THE COUNCIL'S PERSPECTIVE WHETHER YOU WOULD DO THAT SEEMS TO ME TO BE PERHAPS EVEN RISKIER THAN THE 750 IN THAT IF IF ARTISTRY IS NOT CONFIDENT THAT 350 IS THE RIGHT NUMBER GRANTING THEM THAT ADDITIONAL MONEY ON TOP OF THE 150 SEEMS TO BE A LESS GOOD CHOICE THAN CONSIDERING THE 750 DOES MY INTERPRETATION AND I DON'T KNOW MR. MAYOR YOU WANT TO INVITE MR. MYLAN OR ANYBODY ELSE FROM ART HISTORY TO CONFIRM THAT BECAUSE DON'T WANT TO BE SPEAKING ON THEIR BEHALF. **[01:29:45] Mayor Tim Busse:** MR. MYLAN ANY THOUGHTS ON A JUROR AND NO THANK YOU AS AN ANSWER AS WELL IF YOU'D RATHER NOT COMMENT TO THAT. **[01:29:50] Pat Mylan (President of the Board of Artistry):** PAT MYLAN PRESIDE OF THE BOARD OF ARTISTRY THANK YOU FOR SEEM TOO MUCH AT ME I THINK JAMIE REALLY HAS IT RIGHT YOU ASKED US AND WE LOOKED YOU IN THE EYE AND YOU SPECIFICALLY ASKED WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO BE SUCCESSFUL. AND WHEN WE came IN HERE WITH THE EARLIER NUMBER WE THOUGHT 500 WAS IT BUT WE HAD MORE TIME TO AT THE FINANCIALS 750 IS THE NUMBER WE NEED OVER THE NEXT SIX MONTHS. DO WE NEED 750 TODAY? THE ANSWER IS NO BUT WE WILL NEED SOME COMBINATI OF SETHING CLOSE T THAT IN BY FOURTH QUARTER THAT WE'RE IN AND FIRST QUARTER NEXT YEAR. OTHERWISE IT'S AN EXERCISE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT ALL THE TIME WE CAN'T GET OUT OF THAT MODE LONG ENOUGH TO GO GET THE OTHER FUNDING SO THAT WE'RE CONFIDENT IN THE 4060 MODEL BECAUSE THAT'S THE MODEL THAT MOST THEATERS DO OPERATE ON BUT WE DO NEED SOME TIME TO BE ABLE TO BUILD THAT OUT SO DO WE NEED 750 TODAY? THE ANSWER IS NO. WE PROBABLY NEED CLOSER TO 350 BECAUSE YOU'VE HEARD WHAT OUR MONTHLY OPERATING IS BUT WE WOULD WE WOULD NEED TO FIGURE SOMETHING OUT BY FIRST QUARTER THAT THAT IS THE POINT HOPE THAT HELPS CLARIFY IT IT DOES THANK YOU THANK YOU WHO NEXT COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS OR COUNCILMEMBER CARTER? COUNCILMEMBER CARTER I'VE LOST TRACK COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS. **[01:31:15] Councilmember Victor Rivas:** THANK YOU, MAYOR. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING MORE TO SAY OTHER THAN ONE THOUGHT THAT OCCURRED TO ME OVER THE RECENT WEEKS IS THAT WE HAVE PUT FORWARD A REQUESTED AND WE'LL DISCUSS OUR LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS FOR A CENTER FOR THE ARTS EXPSION. I THINK I MEAN I SAID IT BEFORE AND I WILL SAY IT AGAIN THINK LIKELY TONIGHT MEANS THE END OF ART HISTORY AS WE KNOW IT AND I THINK THAT WOULD CERTAINLY FACTOR INTO WHETHER OR NOT we WOULD APPROVE THAT CENTER FOR THE ARTS EXPANSION AS A AS A REQUEST. I MEAN I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT STAFF IS IS PREPARING FOR THAT AND THAT WE AS A COUNCIL ARE PREPARING FOR THAT DISCUSSION AS WELL. **[01:31:45] Councilmember Dwayne Lowman:** YOU KNOW, I BE OPEN TO YOU KNOW, SOME OF MY CONCERNS WOULD BE BLADE YOU KNOW, we DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY FINANCIALS AT ALL SO I DON'T AGREE WITH THE MANAGER WITH REGARDS TO ROLLING THIS OUT IN A AND A YOU KNOW, A STAGED KIND OF PROCESS. AND OF COURSE WE'D HAVE TO WORK THROUGH THE DETAILS AGAIN IMPOSSIBLE TO KIND OF DO THAT WITH THE SHORT TIMEFRAME THAT WE'VE HAD AND HAVING WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE MORE CONVERSATION TIONS BETWEEN THE CITY MANAGER BUT I THERE'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE WORKED OUT WITH THAT CERTAINLY I COULD I COULD SUPPORT THAT I CERTAINLY CLD SUPPORT THA MUCH MORE THA I COULD SUPPORT OPTIONS NUMBER TWO AND OPTIONS NUMBER THREE HERE. I JUST DON'T I DON'T SEE HOW THESE THINGS ARE ARE VIABLE LONG TERM I THINK WE'LL FIND OURSELVES RIGHT BACK HERE AGAIN AND WE'RE GOING SPEND A LOT MORE THAN THE $750,000 HERE THAT'S PROPOSED FOR US. I BELIEVE THAT WE'RE GOING TO YOU KNOW, SINCE THIS IS BEING ARRANGED AS A LOAN WE'D GET IT BACK SO I WOULD BE OPEN TO TO HAVE CONVERSATION. DON'T KNOW THAT WE COULD DO THAT TONIGHT. I THINK THEY'D HAVE TO come BACK AND HAVE SOME YOU KNOW, A REALISTIC CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT THAT. **[01:32:45] Councilmember Dwayne Lowman:** AND SO THE MOTION ON THE TABLE IS TO REJECT THE FUNDING REQUEST TO ACCEPT OPTION THREE IS PRESENTED BY STAFF AND DIRECT STAFF TO DO AN ANALYSIS AND OPTIONS BACK OR BRING A PATH FORWARD BACK ON WITHIN WHAT WOULD BE REASONABLE 1690 DAYS OR LONGER THAN THAT. **[01:33:00] Zach Walker:** YEAH MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION I THINK WE'D PROBABLY WANT A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME. OKAY. JUST BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT WE COULD PUT TOGETHER A VIABLE MODEL O EVEN HAVE A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S OUT THERE IN THAT MUCH TIME. OKAY, SO THANK YOU. SO WE'D BE LOOKING AT Q TWO OR THREE OF NEXT YEAR PROBABLY SOMETIME SO COUNCIL WE'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE TABLE NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION THIS ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I I I'M OPPOSED I'LL RESTATE THE MOTION ONE MORE TIME TO REJECT THE FUNDING REQUEST TO ACCEPT EITHER OPTION THREE AS OUTLINED BY STAFF AND TO DIRECT STAFF TO BRING BACK A AN ANALYSIS AND A PATH FORWARD BY QUARTER TWO OR THREE OF NEXT YEAR. **[01:33:45] Councilmember Shawn Nelson:** YEAH SORRY MARY DO WE DOES THIS AUTHORIZE ANY OF THAT FINALLY AND THERE WAS TALK A 110,000 FOR SOFTWARE AND SALARY AND THINGS LIKE THAT BECAUSE I WOULD NOT BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. I THINK SIMILAR TO COUNCILMEMBER LOEHMANN'S I DON'T REALLY SUPPORT WHAT'S IN THAT THIRD OPTION OTHER THAN YOU KNOW IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THE FIRST OPTION IS THE MOST VIABLE PATH. I WOULD BE SOMEWHAT INTERESTED IN A POTENTIAL ALTERNATIVE THAT COUNCILMEMBER D'ALESSANDRO TALKED ABOUT BUT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE ANY FUNDING FOR STAFF AND OR SOFTWARE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT WITHOUT KNOWING PATH AS FOR BROOKLYN. **[01:34:15] Zach Walker:** THANK YOU MR. MAYOR AND COUNCILMEMBERS COUNCILMEMBER NELSON THE ESSENTIAL THING IN THE SCENARIO WE'RE TALKING D AGAIN THISSSUMES THAT ARTIST CEASES OPERATIONS RIGHT AND THAT'S FOR THE PURPOSE OF DISCUSSION I DON'T WANT TO REPRESENT WHAT THEIR DECISION MAY BE COMING OUT OF THE COUNCIL'S DECISION TONIGHT IF THEY CEASE OPERATIONS. WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IS MAINTAIN A BOX OFFICE OPERATION BECAUSE we HAVE THE OTHER RESIDENT ARTS ORGANIZATION THAT ARE STILL PERFORMING AND UTILIZING THE CENTER AND FOR THE CITY IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE MAINTAIN A BOX OFFICE OPERATION IN IF IF THAT ENDS UP BEING THE CASE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT we HAVE THAT FUNCTION. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT IT'S SAYING POINT OF CLARIFICATION THERE. **[01:35:00] Councilmember Lona Dallessandro:** MR. CITY MANAGER. THANK YOU, MAYOR. we DID HEAR HERE EARLIER TODAY THAT THE CONTINENTAL BALLET DOES NOT LEVERAGE THAT SERVICE THAT'S BEEN DESCRIBE THE RESIDENTS HOW MANY OF RESIDENTS ARTS ORGANIZATIONS UTILIZE THAT? MY RECOLLECTION THAT IS ALL EXCEPT FOR CONTINENTAL BALLET PERHAPS THE BSO. I SEE THAT SARA TAN ISERE IS. BSO USING THE BOX OFFICE. IT DOES? YEAH. SO I BELIEVE CONTINENTAL IS THE ONLY ONE THAT DOES. YEAH. OKAY. THEY DON'T THEY DON'T NEED YOU. DOES DOES THAT HELP CLARIFY IT? **[01:35:30] Councilmember Shawn Nelson:** I GUESS I'M NOT. I'M STILL NOT COMFORTABLE AUTHORIZING THAT MOVING FORWARD GIVEN THAT THERE MAY BE OTHER VIABLE OPTIONS WITHOUT YOU KNOW, KNOWING WHAT THOSE ARE AND IF THEY ARE TRULY VIABLE. I MEAN WE HEARD PUBLIC COMMENT THAT THAT IT COULD BE DONE A DIFFENT WAY A SUBANTIALLY LESS. **[01:35:45] Zach Walker:** I WOULD SUGGEST MR. MAYOR AND COUNCILMEMBERS COUNCILMEMBER NELSON THAT MAYBE THE THE BETTER OF COURSE HERE IS JUST TO DECLINE THE REQUEST AND THEN ONCE WE KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO HAVE HAPPENED SUBSEQUENTLY STAFF WILL come BACK AND HAVE A POLICY DISCUSSION WITH THE COUNCIL IF THAT'S THE MOTION THE COUNCIL WANTS TO PURSUE. BUT I GOT MORE IF I CAN ANSWER. **[01:36:15] Councilmember Shawn Nelson:** PREMIER NELSON THANK YOU. I'M JUST TRYING TO FOLLOW THE RULES HERE. YES, JUMP IN THE. THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT we HAVE IN THERE IS JUST THE DIRECTION TO STAFF TO WORK ON THAT PLAN HOW WE MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THEATER, VISUAL ART, ALL OF THOSE THINGS IN OUR AND THRIVING GOING FORWARD INCLUDING WORKING WITH YOU KNOW THE PEOPLE THAT ARE CURRENTLY AT ARTISTRY THE BUSINESS ALL OF THAT STUFF WHICH I THINK WAS PART THAT IT WAS JUST THE THE OTHER PART THAT I WASN'T COMFORTABLE WITH SO I STILL WANT TO MAKE SURE we GIVE THAT DIRECTION. THAT SOUNDS GOOD. **[01:36:45] Councilmember Jenna Carter:** THANK YOU. SO IF we DECLINE TONIGHT I ALSO DO HEAR POTENTIALLY A WILLINGNESS TO ENTERTAIN THE MORE PHASED APPROACH TO FUNDING WITH DELIVERABLES. SO IF ARTISTRY FOLKS DECIDED TO COULD THEY come BACK TO CITY STAFF AND SAY we WOULD LIKE TO PUT IN A PROPOSAL FOR A MORE PHASED REQUEST IF THAT WORKS FOR THEM, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING. COUNCILMEMBER CARTER TELL ME IF I'M WRONG HERE IS THAT IF we IF we SIMPLY SCALE IT BACK TO A DECLINING THE REQUEST THIS EVENINGND ELIMINATEHE HER TWO PIECES THAT I HAD PUT ON THERE AND THEN IF ARTISTRY came BACK WITH WITHIN TWO WEEKS OR A MONTH OR WHATEVER AND HAD ANOTHER DIFFERENT REQUEST THAT WAS PHASED OVER A COUPLE OF MONTHS THAT THAT WOULD DIE. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING. RIGHT. SO THEY COULD STILL THEY COULD DECIDE TO DO THAT IF THEY WANTED TO. **[01:37:30] Zach Walker:** I IMAGINE THEY COULD I THINK I MEAN WE JUST HEARD FROM THE BOARD CHAIR THAT THAT ISN'T OPTIMAL FOR THEM. BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING PREVENTING THAT. **[01:37:45] Councilmember Danielle Robertson:** YES. THANK YOU, MAYOR. IF IF TT'S THE DIRECTION THIS BODY WANTS TO GO WITH I THAT BUT I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT we'RE NOT SHOOTING FOR THE OUTCOME THAT WOULD MAKE US ALL FEEL THE BEST IN THE COMMUNITY FEEL THE BEST BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO KEEP DANGLING A CARROT OUT IN FRONT OF THIS ORGANIZATION AND THE VOLUNTEERS AND THE DONORS, THE STAFF TO JUST DRAG OUT WHAT MAY END UP BEING THE INEVITABLE AND WE'VE ALL KINDS OF DOCUMENTATION SAYING WE NEED THIS FOR SIX MONTHS. WE'VE GOT A LOT OF LONG PLANS AND IT'S KIND OF A QUESTION MARK IN BETWEEN THERE. SO I JUST WANT TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT THE EXPECTATIONS WE'RE SETTING UP HERE AND I LIKE THE WORK, THE NEW WORDING THAT we'VE GOTTEN THROUGH. **[01:38:15] Councilmember Lona Dallessandro:** THANK YOU, MAYOR. I APPRECIATE THAT COMMENT. AND THE ONLY ARGUMENT THAT I WOULD MAKE ON THE SIDE OF THAT WOULD BE THAT I THINK ONE OF THE POSITIVE BENEFITS OF THI CONVERSATION IS THAT IT IT BROUGHT TO THE ATTENTION OF THE PUBLIC AN IMPORTANT PROBLEM IN OUR COMMUNITY AND I DON'T WANT TO CLOSE THE DOOR TO A BENEFICIAL SCENARIO LIKE ARTISTRY coming BACK TWO WEEKS FROM NOW OR THREE WEEKS FROM NOW AND SAYING THOSE DONORS we WERE GOING TO HIT, THEY SHOWED UP AND NOW THAT NUMBER DOESN'T HAVE TO BE $750,000 BECAUSE THE GIL WILLIAMS OF THE WORLD GOOD AND I DON'T WANT TO CLOSE THE DOOR ON THAT IS ALL I'M GETTING TO I I DON'T WANT TO BE IN A SITUATION WHERE WHERE we'VE BASICALLY SHUT THEM OUT PERMANENTLY IF THEY CAN GO FIND YOU THAT GREAT CONVERSATION TOMORROW WITH THE CHAMBER YOU KNOW AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT UARTHS OPPORTUNITY THAT IN FACT I WAS HOPING THAT MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED AND we WOULD HAVE BEEN SURPRISED TODAY THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME BIG DONOR came IN WITH A $250,000 CHECK AND we WERE ABLE TO GO DO YOU KNOW? SO I'M TRYING TO BE OPTIMISTIC TO SAY THAT ARE REALLY SMART, CAPABLE GOOD PEOPLE IN WHO SHOULD SHOULD HOPE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO TRY TO FIGHT TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND DIDN'T WANT THE DOOR TO SHUT ON THEIR ABILITY TO come BACK IF THAT SOMETHING THAT we COULD DO. SO I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN EVERYBODY'S MOUTHS HERE BUT THAT THAT WAS WHAT WE WERE HOPING WE WEREN'T GOING YOU KNOW, WE WEREN GOING TOHUT THAT DOOR. **[01:39:45] Mayor Tim Busse:** SO IF I OFFERED A AN AMENDED MOTION THAT SIMPLY TONIGHT SAID TO DECLINE THE FUNDING REQUEST THIS EVENING WITH NONE OF THE OTHER PIECES ATTACHED WHICH THEN WOULD LEAVE THE DOOR OPEN IF YOU KNOW IF AN ANGEL LANDED ON SOMEBODY'S DOORSTEP AND ARTISTRY WAS ABLE TO TO come BACK TO THE COUNCIL WITH IT WITH A DIFFERENT POSSIBLE FUNDING MODEL THAT THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE. SO I IF, I MADE IF I MADE THAT AMENDED MOTION TO SIMPLY REMOVE THE TWO QUALIFIERS AND SIMPLY SAY WE REJECT THE FUNDG REQUEST THIS EVENING WHO SAID we SECONDED IT WOULD YOU WOULD YOU FIND THAT REVISED MOTION MEAN? **[01:40:15] Councilmember Shawn Nelson:** YES, MR. MAYOR IT AS IT'S WRITTEN ON OUR SHEET ACTUALLY IT JUST SAYS NOT TO PROVIDE THE REQUESTED ASSISTANCE PERIOD IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING THEN I WILL. SECOND IF YOU TOOK THE WORDS RIGHT OUT OF MY MOUTH THAT WAS I WOULD MOVE I WOULD BRING FORWARD A REVISED MOTION TO NOT PROVIDE THE REQUESTED ASSISTANCE AND WE HAVE A THE SECOND IS AMENABLE TO THAT AS WELL. **[01:40:45] Councilmember Victor Rivas:** THANK YOU MAYOR AND I KNOW I'VE TALKED A LOT MORE EVEN THAN I SAID I WOULD WHICH IS YOU KNOW, NOT UNUSUAL FOR ME I SUPPOSE, BUT JUST BY WAY OF SORT OF CLARIFICATION we DO NOT HAVE A MEETING MONDAY. WE ALSO DON'T HAVE A MEETING THE FOLLOWING MONDAY. SO THE NEXT MEETING we WOULD BE LOOKING AT I BELIEVE IS NOVEMBER 14TH. AND SO I MEAN I THINK YOU KNOW, OUR HISTORY IT CLEAR THAT THAT ANY KIND OF FUNDING WOULD BE NEEDED IN THIS ORDER AS we GET TO MID TO LATE NOVEMBER we ARE RAPIDLY RUNNING OUT OF TIME IN THIS QUARTER SO I IF SOME SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS IS ABLE TO BE ACHIEVED FANTASTIC BUT I'M EXTREMELY THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE THE CASE AND I THINK AS COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN SAID, I DON'T SEE THE OTHER OPTIONS AS AS AND HE MORE FINANCIALLY VIABLE FOR THE CITY'S TIME INVESTMENT THAN THAN THE FIRST ONE SO I WILL I WILL STILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THAT MOTION. **[01:41:45] Mayor Tim Busse:** COUNCILMAN, TO CALL THE QUTION HERE AND SEEF WE CAN GET A VOT ON THIS SO THE MOTION IS TO NOT PROVIDE THE REQUESTED ASSISTANCE THE MOTION THE SECOND IS TO NOT PROVIDE THE REQUESTED ASSISTANCE. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? NO QUESTIONS. NO FURTHER DISCUSSION ON COUNCIL. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I I OPPOSED I MOTION CARRIES FIVE TWO WITH RIVAS AND LOWMAN IN OPPOSITION THANK YOU AND ALL THE FOLKS WHO ARE HERE WITH US THIS EVENING THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONVERSATION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT. THIS WAS DONE I THINK AS EVERYBODY SAID THIS WAS NOT AN VOTE. THIS WAS NOT AN EASY DISCUSSION AND I APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT AND YOUR PASSION FOR THIS IN THIS COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. **[01:42:30] Mayor Tim Busse:** NEXT UP ON OUR AGENDA IS ITEM 5.2. IT IS THE FIRST OF FOUR 2023 BUDGET DISCUIONS we'RE GOING TO HE THE FIRST ONE. ITEM 5.2 WILL BE REGARDING THE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY FUND BUDGET. AND CARRIE, WHY DON'T YOU WALK AND SLOW UP THERE, LET FOLKS SORT THEMSELVES OUT LITTLE BIT HERE. LET'S THINK IF YOU LISTEN. OKAY, FOLKS, THANK YOU ALL coming IF YOU COULD TAKE YOUR DISCUSSIONS OUT INTO THE LOBBY, I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU UNDERSTOOD UNDERSTOOD. GOOD EVENING, MISS CARLSON. **[01:43:00] Carrie Carlson:** GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. AND I'LL LET EVERYBODY KNOW I THREATENED I JOKED WITH COREY THAT WHEN THIS came UP I WAS GOING TO MOVE FOR ADJOURNMENT JUST TO HAVE ALL THE STAFF ONCE AGAIN I WISH FOR MY DEATH ONCE AGAIN SO THANKS COREY. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. ALSO ON THE LINE IS AMY CHENEY, THE CHIEF INFORMATION OFFICER. SHE'S GOING TO TAKE YOU THROUGH MOST OF THIS PRESENTATION BUT I'LL JUST START OFF BY SAYING THIS IS THE FIRST INTERNAL SERVICE FUND THA WE'VE TALKEDBOUT THIS YEAR AND THERE'S EIGHT INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS I KNOW IS ONE OF THEM AND THE DEPARTMENT IS IN ITS OWN INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS. THOSE ARE THE FUNDS THAT THEY CHARGE OUT TO DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS THAT USE THEIR SERVICES AND THEN THEY USE THOSE FUNDS TO PAY FOR THE ITEMS AND THE THAT THEY PROVIDE. AND WITH THAT I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO AMY AND HAVE HER TAKE YOU THROUGH A DEPARTME OVERVIEW. GOOD EVENING, MS. CHENEY. WELCOME. **[01:43:45] Amy Cheney:** GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. AS CARRIE SAID, I AM THE CHIEF INFORMATION OFFICER AND I.T. SUPPORTS INTERNAL CITY DEPARTMENTS. WE HAVE WELL 800 USERS THAT we SUPPORT AND EXTERNAL WHEN we HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SUPPORT THINGS THE FARMERS MARKET BLOOMINGTON ICE GARDEN we SUPPORT THE ART GROUPS, we'LL SUPPORTHEIR TECHNOLOG D THEN ALSO HAVE OUR HEALTH CLIENT. SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME EXAMPLES OF OUR CLIENTS BUT OF COURSE BY SUPPORTING INTERNAL CLIENTS we ARE SUPPORTING ALL OF THE CITY. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO JUST A QUICK LOOK AT OUR REVENUE AND HOW we GET OUR CHARGES. we ARE AN INTERNAL SERVICE FUND AND we CHARGE APPROXIMATEL $10,000 PER YR PE EMPLOYEE WHICH ALL OF THE TECHNICAL TECHNICAL SERVICES AS WELL SOFTWARE FEES, ALL OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT OUR END USERS USE IS ALL INCLUDED THAT $10,000 PER YEAR. **[01:44:45] Amy Cheney:** NEXT SLIDE. LOOKING AT OUR OPERATING EXPENSES MUCH LIKE ANY OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS we HAVE PERSONNEL COSTS, MATERIAL SUPPLIES AND SERVICES. we ALSO PAY INTERNAL SERVICE CHARGES FOR IURANCE FACILITIES A LARGE PORTION OF OUR BUDGET TOWARDS THE SOFTWARE MAINTENANCE FEES AND I'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT IN THE NEXT SLIDE. AND THEN ALSO we HAVE NEW SOFTWARE PURCHASES PRETTY MUCH ON AN ANNUAL BASIS UNDER OUR CAPITAL we HAVE OUR COMPUTER HARDWARE, FIBER OPTICS SERVERS ,ALL THE EQUIPMENT THAT we NEED TO RUN THE THE DEPARTMENT. NEXT, LOOKING AT SOME OF THE CKETS OF OUR EXPENSES, THIS CHART SHOWS THAT OUR PERSONNEL COSTS AND OUR SOFTWARE AND HARDWARE MAINTENANCE ARE ALMOST EQUAL IS NOT TYPICAL FOR ANY OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS TO HAVE ONE OF OUR EXPENSES TO BE EQUAL TO OUR PERSONNEL. MOST OF THAT SOFTWARE AND HARDWARE MAINTENANCE IS SOFTWARE AND IT'S ABOUT $2.5 MILLION A YEAR. SOME OF THAT IS HOSTED BY THE CITY. OTHERS IS HOSTED IN THE CLOUD. we HAVE OVER 150 APPLICATIONS TO SUPPORT OUR DEPARTMENTS. **[01:45:45] Amy Cheney:** NEXT SLIDE JUST TAKING A LITTLE PEEK AT THE FUTURE. we WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO RECEIVE SOME FUNDING THROUGH THE RPA FUNDING FOR OUR TO EXPAND FIBER OPTICS NETWORK AND THAT WILL IMPACT DIRECTLY OUR TRAFFIC UNIT UTILITIES, PARKS AND REC AND PUBLIC SAFETY. we HAVE $250,000 BUDGETED FOR 20 2023 AND 405,0 FOR 2024. we EXPECT TO BEGIN CONSTRUCTION IN AS EARLY AS SPRING OF 2023. NEXT NEXT SLIDE ANOTHER ONE SET THE FUTURE. SO CURRENTLY we HAVE A 19 FULL TIME AND ONE PART TIME STAFF. we we WILL BE REQUESTING SOME NEW POSITIONS IN THE FUTURE TO SUPPORT THE MANY END USERS AND THE NEW TECHNOLOGY. ONE WOULD BE A DESKTOP SUPPORT SPECIALIST IN 2024 AND THEN A BUSINESS ANALYST WHICH WILL REALLY HELP OUREPARTMENTS LOOK AT THEIR BUSINESS PROCESSES BEFORE UPDATE OR REPLACE TECHNOLOGY. so we're looking at that for 2025 and then keeping an eye on the needs for data analytics. SECURITY AND GIS. THOSE ARE THREE AREAS THAT ARE EVER EVOLVING AND we WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT we HAVE RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO SUPPORT THOSE FOR THE CITY AND BELIEVE COREY IS GOING TO TAKE US THROUGH THE NEXT SLIDE. **[01:47:15] Carrie Carlson:** YES. AND ONE THING I WILL ADD THAT DURING THE YEAR THERE WERE TWO EMPLOYEES THAT WERE IN PUBLIC WORKS. THERE THAT DID WORK WITH GIS AND NOW THEY'VE OVER TO I.T. TO HAVE ALL OF THE GIS WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT. SO THAT IS NOW REFLECTED IN THE I.T. BUDGET. AND SO THIS IS THE LONG TERM FOR THE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY FUND. SO we've got years shown here the pasthree years or pt two years 20, 20, 20, 20, 21 and our estimate for 22 is we've got our in 23 budget request and conceptual request for 24 and then a couple of years projected out. FOR 23 THE BUDGET OF REVENUES THAT'S 7.3 MILLION. SO THOSE ARE THE INTERNAL CHARGES TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT we've been talking about. AND THEN THE BUDGETING EXPENSE IS FOR 23 ARE AROUND $8 MILLION. THAT BLUE LINE THAT IS IN THE REVENUE SECTION IS JUS AGAIN HIGHGHTING AND ALLHESE DELS IF we HAVE ANY AMERICAN PLAN FUNDS we JUST WANT TO SHOW YOU WHERE THOSE ARE BEING WHERE ARE coming IN. THOSE ARE GOING TO BE USED IN THE 19 PROJECTS THAT AMY WAS DESCRIBING. **[01:48:15] Carrie Carlson:** AND THEN THE WORKING CAPITAL IT IS POSITIVE. SO THE YOU KNOW, BASE we're talking about with the working capital again is basically the cash the short term assets that are available for spending and it does remain significantly lower. we would like it you can see in the red once they goes below 70% it goes into the red and it's going as low as 31%. so it's definitely feeling a lot of pressure from keeping that for few years we kept the internal charges to other departments lower for a lot of the internal service funds including 90 to keep the pressure off the general fund and the tax levy. BUT OVER TIME THAT DOES NEGATIVELY THEM AND we IN PAST HAVEN'T BEEN CHARGING PROBABLY AS MUCH AS we SHOULD FOR TO THE OTHER FUNDS we've brought in some transfers from other funds in the past to kind of help sort up. BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT we're looking at closely and kind of the goal how we structured for this budget in our projection is to keep them from being negative but it is something that it is an issue for this fund and thats all we he for the anti fund you need questions for me or for you. **[01:49:15] Mayor Tim Busse:** YEAH. THANK YOU. THIS ONE AS I LOOK AT THIS HERE THE TOP LINE THE CHARGES TO THE TECHNOLOGY CHARGE I MEAN IT'S LAID OUT AS YOU DESCRIBED IT'S A CHARGE FROM ANOTHER DEPARTMENT BUT IT'S GOT TO BE FUNDED FROM SOMETHING AND SO IT OBVIOUSLY IS IS A COST OVERALL AND FROM 2022 TO 2026 IT GOES UP BY TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS AND YOU MAY HAVE KIND OF TALKED THROUGH IT A BIT BUT AS I LOOK THROUGH SOME OF THE THE TOTAL EXPENSES I'M SEEING, YOU KNOW, SALARIES AND BENEFITS UP BY 7 MILLION AND SOME OF THE OTHERS. BUT I DON'T NECESSARILY SEE THAT THAT'S SIGNIFICANT OF A JUMP IN OF THE THE CHARGES TO DEPARTMENTS IN THE IN THE IN THE EXPENSES SO MAKING SENSE. **[01:49:45] Carrie Carlson:** YES SO MAYOR CITY COUNCILMEMBERS I CAN KIND OF WALK YOU THROUGH WHAT we're esmating for thisong term model. SO we're estimating to to spend down working capital balance by $1.3 million this year and then we have a little bit of a if if you see and then 23 we're still going to be spending down 700,000. it's getting we're bringing it down so that our expenses are more than our revenue in those years. AND SO IF we DON'T HAVE THOSE CHARGES, we THEY'RE PROJECTED RIGHT NOW AT THAT LEVEL THE CASH IS GOING TO GO NEGATIVE FOR THE FUND. **[01:50:15] Mayor Tim Busse:** SO ARE THE IS THE USE OF THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN? IS THAT KIND OF EXACERBATING A STRUCTURAL IMBALANCE HERE AS WELL IN UNDERSTANDING OR NOT. **[01:50:30] Carrie Carlson:** MAYORS CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS NO THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE IN THERE. IT IS ALSO REFLECTING THE EXPENSES BUT THEIR PROJECTS THAT we WOULD NOT DO IF we DIDN'T HAVE THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN DONE SO IF we TO DOHOSE PROJECTS,F we DIDN'T HAVE THE FUNDS THAT we'RE GOING TO NEED. THAT WOULD THEN THAT WOULD CANCEL EACH OTHER OUT. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER AND THEN COUNCILMEMBER D'ALESSANDRO. **[01:51:00] Councilmember Dwayne Lowman:** HONORABLE THANK YOU. MAYOR SO JUST ONE QUESTION I HAD KIND OF A TICKER ANYTHING LIKE WATER OR WITH INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY TO LOOK AT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF RESILIENCE. YOU KNOW KNOW THAT A NUMBER OF INSTITUTIONS ARE GETTING ATTACKED AND ARE GETTING HACKED. AND I JUST WANTED TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, GIVEN WHAT THE MAYOR SAID, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S YOU KNOW, SOME IMBALANCES THERE, IF THERE'S A CATASTROPHIC, YOU KNOW, HACK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, HOW WOULD we POSITION OURSELVES GIVEN THIS COURSE WHICH I KNOW I MEAN THAT'S KIND OF A VERY VAGUE AND NOT VERY ABSTRACT THING BUT I ALWAYS THINK OF YOU KNOW YOU KNOW HOW we ARRANGED WOULD we HANDLE SOMETHING AND I'M NOT THINKING THAT'S coming ANYTIME SOON BUT JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT we ARE FROM A RESILIENCE AND I'M NOT NECESSARILY LOOKING FOR AN ANSWER I WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THIS. HAS STAFF THOUGHT ABOUT HOW TO HANDLEHAT WITHIN THIS RTICULAR FUND I SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD HAPPEN? **[01:52:00] Amy Cheney:** YEAH, I CAN TAKE THAT ONE. MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN, COUNCIL MEMBERS we HAVE A FEW DIFFERENT THINGS TO LOOK AT. ONE IS THAT THE CITY DOES CARRY CYBER INSURANCE, CYBERSECURITY INSURANCE AND. we ALSO ARE PART OF A GREATER NETWORK OF WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND. SO we ARE SORT OF HAVING we HAVE A PARTNER IN EVENT THAT SOMETHING CATASTROPHIC LIKE THAT HAPPENED. we DO HAVE PARTNERS OUT THERE TO THE CITY. YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S ALWAYS TOP OF MIND. YOU KNOW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN BUT I THINK WITH THE PLANNING THAT we'RE THAT we DO ON A REGULAR BASIS we'RE DOING WHAT we CAN TO ENSURE THAT we WOULD BE RESILIENT IN CASE OF AN ATTACK LIKE. **[01:52:45] Councilmember Dwayne Lowman:** THANK YOU I APPRECIATE THAT ON WHAT YOU'RE GOING DEEPER THAT I JUST HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO ATTEND A NUMBER OF NATIONAL CONFERENCES AND SEE WHAT SOME OF THE OTHER CITY GOVERNMENTS ARE GOING THROUGH THAT MAYBE DON'T HAVE THE SOPHISTICATION AS we DO IN MATURITY WITH. I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT we HAVE A PLAN OF ACTION AS IT RELATES TO THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER. **[01:53:00] Councilmember Lona Dallessandro:** THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. HI THERE IS JANEY. THERE ARE CAPITAL CHARGES IN THIS BGET AND I WAS CURIOUS I NOTICED IN 2023 IN 2024 THOSE NUMBERS ARE HIGHER. ASSUME THAT SOMETHING'S coming DUE. MAYBE MAYBE THAT'S AN EQUIPMENT PURCHASE OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. I'M CURIOUS AS TO NUMBER ONE IF we CAN EXPAND A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT THOSE IN 23 24 AND THEN IS ANY POSSIBILITY FOR THAT? I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS SOMETHING we DO OR NOT BUT IF IT IS CAPITAL TRULY CAPITAL THERE IS THAT TO BE CAN THAT BE ROLLED INTO A BONDING AS OPPOSED TO BE PUT INTO THE BUDGET IN THE FIRST COUPLE IN THE TWO YEARS SPECIFICALLY? THANK YOU FOR MAYOR. **[01:53:30] Amy Cheney:** COUNCILMEMBER D'ALESSANDRO COUNCILMEMBERS. MOST OF THAT FOR 23 AND 24 IS RELATED TO THAT FIBER OPTICS EXPANSION AND IS ARPA FUNDING. THERE ARE OTHER EQUIPMENT we BUDGET FOR ON A REGULAR BASIS LIKE NETWORKS WHICH IS SERVERS THAT SORT OF THING. SO IT'S A SMALLER AMOUNT THAN WHAT YOU WOULD SEE IN THE 23 AND 24. **[01:54:00] Councilmember Lona Dallessandro:** AY. CLARIFICATION THEN SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT OF THE 605,000 AND THAT OF IN 24 FOR EXAMPLE 405 THE THOUSANDS OF THOUSAND OF THE REVENUE ASSOCIATED THAT IS IS ESSENTIALLY OFFSETTING THAT EXPENSE? **[01:54:15] Amy Cheney:** THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU, COUNSEL. ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, COMMENTS. SO SEEING NONE. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU, AMY THANK YOU, AMY. **[01:54:30] Mayor Tim Busse:** ONE ITEM 5.3 DISCUSSION ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUDGETS THAT'S THE POLICE GENERAL FUND FIRE GENERAL FUNDS SAFETY TECH AND EQUIPMENT FUND AND FIRE PENSION FUND BUDGETS. **[01:54:45] Carrie Carlson:** YES, we ARE GOING TO START OFF WITH POLICE WITH CHIEF HODGES. **[01:54:50] Chief Booker Hodges:** CHIEF HODGES GOOD ENING MAR CITY COUNC GOT THE PRESENTATION UPERE. GOOD AFTERNOON. OH YEAH, I KNOW I DIDN'T BRING MY VISUAL AIDS TODAY. I'M GOING TO USE MY VERBALLY THAT SO I WOULD BE remiss. THE NUMBER ONE QUESTION I'VE BEEN GETTING ASKED AND I'LL SAY THIS BEFORE I START HERE IS FROM CITIZENS IN BLOOMINGTON IS we'VE HAD THIS LARGE STATE SURPLUS AND WHY ARE we ASKING FOR A PUBLIC SAFETY INCREASE? AND A LOT OF MY COLLEAGUES ARE DOING THE SAME THING IN FRONT OF COUNCIL SO I'D BE remiss IF I DIDN'T LET PEOPLE KNOW WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING PUBLICLY AND I THINK FROM A PUBLIC EDUCATION STANDPOINT THERE WERE THREE PUBLIC SAFETY PROPOSALS THIS LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION ONE PASSED IN THE SENATE WHICH WOULD HAVE WHAT we're ASKING FOR TODAY WOULD HAVE GIVEN US ABOUT 75% OF WHAT we're ASKING FOR FOR A BODY CAMERAURCHASE WHICH we'LL GET INTO HERE TODAY. OTHER THE HOUSE LED DEMOCRATIC PUBLIC SAFETY BILL WOULD HAVE GAVE WAS LIKE $9 MILLION FOR THE ENTIRE STATE SO THAT BILL PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE ANY IMPACT ON US AT ALL HERE IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON. THE PROPOSAL THAT GOVERNOR WALZ HAD PUT FORTH IN THE $300 MILLION PUBLIC SAFETY BILL WOULD HAVE GAVE THE CITY $1.6 MILLION. SO IF THE LEGISLATURE HAS THE GUMPTION TO GO BACK INTO SESSION THE PROPOSAL THA THE GOVERNOR HAD PUT FORTH WOULD DIRECTLY THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON MORE FOR WHAT we're ASKING FOR HERE TODAY FOR $1.6 MILLION IS WHAT we WILL HAVE GOT FROM THE GOVERNOR'S PROPOSAL. **[01:56:15] Chief Booker Hodges:** WITH THAT I'LL GET STARTED. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE FIRST SLIDE HERE. I DON'T NEED A CLICKER. OH, OH, I'LL GET TO CONTROL IT TOO. OH MAN. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT OH. ALL RIGHT, SO WHAT we GOT HERE we're ASKING FOR AN IREASE OF $2.5 MILLION OVER OUR 2022 BUDGET AND I CAN GET INTO SOME DETAILS AND SLIDES MOVING FORWARD REGARDING WHY we ARE ASKING FOR THAT. AS YOU CAN SEE we DO HAVE INCREASE IN SUPPLIES OF MATERIALS OBVIOUSLY WITH THE COST OF INFLATION AND THE BIG INCREASE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IS IN OUR SERVICES WHICH we'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT A $606,000 INCREASE AND THIS IS DUE TO OUR CONTRACT WITH AXON. SO WHAT we INITIALLY ASKED FOR WAS A TOTAL OF ABOUT $3.5 MILLION IN COSTS WHICH WAS SIX ADDITIONAL POLICE OFFICERS. A DISPATCH COORDINATOR, CRIME PREVENTION COORDINATOR, ADDITIONAL INCREASES IN OVERTIME BODY CAMERAS, SQUAD CAMERA AND TASERS SUPPLIES AND ARPA FUNDS. SO ESSENTIALLY THERE WAS A IN FUNDING BETWEEN we HAD ARPA FUNDS THIS THAT we WON'T HAVE NEXT YEAR OBVIOUSLY AND THEN INCREASE IN SALARIES WAGES THAT WERE NEGOTIATED THROUGH UNION CONTRACTS THAT'S WHAT we SETTLED ON TWO ADDITIONAL POLICE OFFICERS A DISPATCH TRAINING COORDINATOR AND OUR BODY SQUAD CAMERA AND TASER INCREASE AND SUPPLIES TRAINING SERVICES AND AGAIN EMPLOYEE SALARY INCREASES THE BODY CAMERA we EVERYBODY KNOWS we WEAR THESE BUT THE INCREASE IN CONTRACTS IS NOT JUST FOR BODY CAMERAS REPLACING OUR TASERS AND OUR SQUAD VIDEO SYSTEMS RIGHT. NOW THE WAY AXON WORKS IS ALL THIS STUFF IS PACKAGED TOGETHER. we WERE ABLE TO TALK THEM DOWN FROM ORIGINALLY I THINK IT WAS 562 DOWN TO $514,000 BUT IN PUBLIC INTEREST AND THE CITY CITIZENS HAVE WANTED TO HAVE THIS TRANSPARENCY AND WITHOUT IT we WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO WHAT we DO. AND IT'S NOT ONLY AFFECTS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, IT ALSO WOULD AFFECT THE PROSECUTORS IN TERMS OF PROSECUTING OUR CASES. **[01:58:15] Chief Booker Hodges:** AGENCY COMPARISON IS YOU SEE WHY we're ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL BODIES. THESE ARE WHAT we WOULD CONSIDER COMPARABLE POLICE DEPARTMENTS IN OFIZE. ROCHESTER H A POPULATION OF 120,000 PEOPLE. THEY HAVE 150 OFFICERS. BLOOMINGTON we HAVE AROUND 91,000 PEOPLE 123 OFFICERS. DULUTH 86,000 PEOPLE 158 OFFICERS. SAINT CLOUD POLICE DEPARTMENT AROUND 70,000 PEOPLE IN 216 OFFICERS. SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE THE BLOOMINGTON POLICE DEPARTMENT FITS IN THIS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US AND ALL OF THOSE OTHER POLICE DEPARTMENTS IS THEY ALSO HAVE ROBUST SHERIFFS OFFICES THAT ARE ABLE TO SUPPORT THEM WITH PATROL DIVISIONS. OUR HENNEPIN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE DOES NOT HAVE A PATROL DIVISION THAT'S COMPARABLE TO OLMSTEAD COUNTY AND ROCHESTER SAINT LOUIS COUNTY IN STEARNS COUNTY AND SAINT CLOUD CRIME OVERALL CRIME IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON CURRENTLY AND COMPARING JANUARY 1ST THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30TH GOING BACK TO 2019 TO CURRENT DATE IS AT A FOUR YEAR LOW HERE IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON we ARE SEEING AN INCREASE THOUGH IN OUR CATALYTIC CONVERTER THEFTS AND we'LL HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT ON THAT. we DID CATCH ONE PERSON OR we CAUGHT GROUP TODAY UNDER AND THEY WILL BE CHARGED ON OUR CATALYTIC CONVERTER ORDINANCE AND we WILL BE DISCUSSING TOMORROW BUT OUR BURGLARIES ARE DOWN IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON RIGHT NOW. SO I MEAN OVERALL LIKE I SAID, CRIMES AT A FOUR YEAR LOW WHEN YOU'RE COMPARISON COMPARING GOING BACK TO 2019. SO WITH THAT I WILL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. **[02:00:15] Councilmember Victor Rivas:** THANK YOU FOR YOUR JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY YOU MENTIONED THE COUNTY DEPARTMENT BUT IT STILL SEEMS TO ME LIKE THERE'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERMS OF RATIO OF PEOPLE TO SWORN OFFICERS IN ROCHESTER HOW I MEAN HOW DO YOU DO THE BEST THAT YOU CAN I SUPPOSE HOW DO YOU ACCOUNT FOR THAT? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY ELSE IS WITHIN YOU KNOW, 20 IT LOOKS LIKE 23,000 22,000 PEOPLE AND YOU KNOW, 100 260 OFFICERS AND THEN ROCHESTER IS CLOSE TO 30,000 PEOPLE MORE AND STILL IN THAT SAME RANGE. HOW DO YOU ACCOUNT THAT. **[02:00:45] Chief Booker Hodges:** SO ROCHESTER AGAIN A LOT OF THEIR OPERATIONS IS MERGED WITH THE OLMSTED COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE. I MEAN THEY THEY SHARE THE SAME THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS A VERY ROBUST PATROL WHERE THAT WOULD BE MY BEST FOR THAT. THAT'D BE MY BEST. OKAY. THANK YOU. **[02:01:00] Councilmember Victor Rivas:** THAT'S JUST THAT JUST REALLY STICKS OUT TO ME IS KIND OF AN INTERESTING THING THERE. **[02:01:15] Chief Booker Hodges:** AND I THINK THEY'RE STRENGTH IS A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN WHAT'S UP THERE THIS IS WHAT THEY HAD WHEN we PULLED THE NUMBERS HERE A FEW DAYS AGO BECAUSE LOWMAN AND COUNCILMEMBER D'ALESSANDRO AND THEN COUNCILMEMBER. **[02:01:30] Councilmember Dwayne Lowman:** THANK YOU. MAYOR SO WHEN I LOOK AT THE THE INITIAL BUDGET REQUESTS PARTICULARLY THE CRIME PREVENTION COORDINATOR CERTAINLY I SEE THAT THAT TAG WHAT THAT PROVIDE BECAUSE we YOU know we LOCKED OFF AS we KIND WHAT DOES THAT POSITION PROVIDE FOR THE COMMUNITY IF we HAVE THAT OR DON'T HAVE THAT. **[02:01:45] Chief Booker Hodges:** SO RIGHT NOW we HAVE ONE CRIME PREVENTION COORDINATOR we WOULD LIKE TO HAVE TO TO INCREASE OUTREACH IN NEIGHBORHOODS SO ALL OF OUR SOCIAL MEDIA STUFF ALL OUR NATIONAL NIGHT OUT STUFF THE PERSON WHEN PEOPLE CALL TO VOICE TRAFFIC CONCERNS ALL THOSE ITEMS FUNNELED THROUGH THE CRIME PREVENTION COORDINATOR. SO IF we HAD ANOTHER PERSON IN we'D BE ABLE TO INCREASE THOSE EFFORTS AND QUITE FRANKLY REACH INTO SOME COMMUNITIES THAT we SOMETIMES DON'T GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO. **[02:02:15] Councilmember Dwayne Lowman:** SO THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT THEN THIS IS REALLY MORE OF A QUESTION MAYBE FOR CITY MANAGER. YOU KNOW AS I LOOK HERE we GOT THESE SIX ADDITIONAL POLICE OFFICERS AND YOU KNOW we CUT IT FROM SIX DOWN TO THE DOWN TO THE TWO. IS THERE A PLAN ALL IN PLACE AS we LOOK ACROSS A NUMBER YEARS TO INCASE THAT? I KNOW OR IS THERE SOME TYPE OF GOAL OR STRATEGIC KIND OF PLAN IN TERMS OF YEAH MIGHT CUT THIS THIS TIME AROUND BUT LET'S LOOK TO TO ADD IN ANOTHER YEAR I JUST I GET CONCERNED THAT we AS I LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS ON THE OTHER SLIDES YOU KNOW THAT we'D BE GETTING BEHIND IN TERMS OF OUR CAPACITY AND I THINK ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS we WANT TO DO IN FUTURE YEARS WHERE THAT MIGHT BE HANDY TO HAVE ADDITIONAL OFFICERS AROUND. FOR EXAMPLE, we'RE GOING TO WHERE IF we DO GET THE WOR'S FAIR PIECE I JUS WONDER WELL ARE we READY TO HANDLE SOMETHING LIKE THAT? SO I JUST WOULD BE CURIOUS IF THERE'S A STRATEGIC PLAN IN PLACE OR IS IT JUST WHENEVER we CAN GET THOSE OFFICERS? **[02:03:00] Zach Walker:** THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. LOWMAN THE DIRECTORS WERE EACH REQUESTED TO PUT TOGETHER A LONG TERM STAFFING MODEL. THEY HAVE SUBMITTED THOSE AND OUR EXECUTIVE TEAM HAS IT SCHEDULED FOR LATER THIS YEAR TO START THAT PLANNING PROCESS TO LOOK OUT FIVE YEARS PLUS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE SFFING IMPACTS ARE A THE YOU KNOW, THE CONSEQUENCES OF DECISIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THEM SO THAT we CAN START IN WHERE THOSE REQUESTS FIT WITHIN THE BUDGETING PRIORITIES IN A LONGER TERM MODEL THAN JUST A TWO YEAR BUDGET. **[02:03:45] Councilmember Dwayne Lowman:** AND I WANT TO BE CAREFUL HERE NOT TO YOU KNOW, GET INTO THE DETAILS AND MAKE SUGGESTIONS. BUT I JUST WOULD HOPE THAT AS we LOOK we'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO PUT SAFETY FORWARD FOR THIS YEAR AND MAYBE IN SUBSEQUENT THAT we REALLY DO LOOK TO IF we HAVE ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO TRY TO REALLY INCREASE YOU know these ,different coordinator positions as we look to try to tackle crime across the city. I know it's perception all right now and you know we just saw that slide earlier today among many other ones and we also saw on this the survey how folks are feeling. IT DOESN'T TAKE MUCH TO HAVE THAT TIDE TURN AND I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT we're DOING EVERYTHING we CAN POSSIBLY DO TO INCREASE THAT STAFFING. SO I THOUGHT I WOULD BE CLER TO THAT THAT SIX OR SEVEN IF YOU INCLUDE THE OF CRIME PREVENTION COORDINATOR WHEN we WERE MOVING FORWARD WITH A PUBLIC SAFETY REQUEST BUT AGAIN I WANT TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT NOT TALKING NUMBERS THAT KIND OF DETAIL BUT AS A POLICY STANDPOINT JUST JUST WHAT I'D TO SEE BUT I CERTAINLY TRUST OUR CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE TO IN THE DIRECTORS TO MOVE US FORWARD IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. **[02:04:45] Zach Walker:** MR. MAYOR AND COUNCILMEMBERS COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS ALSO APPRECIATE THE RECOGNITION OF OFRIME IN THE PCEPTION WITH IT BECAUSE I DON'T EVER WANT TO LOSE THE OPPORTUNITY HERE AND IF I DIDN'T SAY IT, MAYBE THE CHIEF WOULD JUST REMIND FOLKS THAT we ARE A FOUR YEAR LOW IN TERMS OF ACTUAL NUMBERS OF CRIME RIGHT NOW THAT'S YOU know, always recognizing that those numbers can fluctuate. Right. SO JUST AT THE SAME TIME THAT we're SAYING you know, what are you going to we're going to take the credit for the crime being at a four year low on crime starts to go up. we HAVE TO ACCEPT THE RESPONSIBILITY THAT GOES WITH THAT TOO. I THINK WHAT we're TRYING TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT HAVE A POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT REFLECTS THE ADEQUATE COVERAGE AND ANTICIPATES WHERE we're GOING IN THE FUTURE. SO I KNOW THE CHIEF AND THE COMMAND TEAM ARE VERY FOCUSED ON EXTERNALITI SUCH WHAT HAPPENS IF we GET EXPOSED. RIGHT. I KNOW THEY'RE LOOKING CLOSELY AT WHAT THE TENURE IS AMONG OUR POLICE OFFICERS AND, HOW THE RETIREMENT IS GOING TO AFFECT THE DEPARTMENT, HOW THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT RECRUITING. SO I'M CONFIDENT THAT THEY'RE WHAT THEY NEED TO DO TO START PROJECTING FORWARD. BUT I DON'T EVER WANT TO MISS A CHANCE TO SAY THERE'S A PERCEPTION OF CRIME AND THEN THERE'S THE REALITY OF CRIME AND RIGHT NOW BLOOMINGTON IS IS EXPERIENCING LESS CRIME THAN we HAVE IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS. **[02:05:45] Councilmember Lona Dallessandro:** THANK YOU. I WAS CURIOUS. ON TWO COUNTS OWNED BY THE WAY AS ASIDE I'M VERY MUCH LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT TOMORROW. I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO USE FOR CATALYTIC CONVERTERS BUT I'M HERE FOR IT. SO MY QUESTION IS AROUND THE ADDITIONAL INCREASE IN OVERTIME I KNOW THAT we TOOK THAT OUT. I'M WONDERING IF THE EXPECTATION IS THAT THAT'S BEING HANDLED CONTRACTUAL OR WAS THAT JUST A AN EXPECTATION THAT we WOULD HAVE we WOULD HAVEHAT NEED O TOP BECAUSE IT IT'S THERE TO GET I GUESS MAYBE WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO I APOLOGIZE KNOWING THAT we HAVE A REVISED BUDGET THAT ONLY INCLUDES TWO INSTEAD OF SIX. I MY THOUGHT WOULD HAVE BEEN we'D HAVE AN INCREASE IN OVERTIME REQUESTS BECAUSE we HAD LESS OFFICERS AND THAT DOESN'T LOOK TO BE THE CASE. SO I'M JUST I'M WONDERING TO UNDERSTAND THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE. **[02:06:45] Chief Booker Hodges:** THANK YOU SO WHILE we WERE ABLE TO REDUCE THAT AND THIS IS IF EVERYTHING GOES ACCORDING TO PLAN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HASN'T BEEN FULLY STAFFED IN RECENT YEARS. we're FULLY STAFFED NOW. SO ONCE ALL THESE PEOPLE GET TRAINED THE AMOUNT OF OVERTIME THAT we'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY FOREOPLE TO COVER SHIFTS SHOULD DECREASE. SO THAT'S WHY THE OVERTIME WAS REDUCED. SO IF we KEEP AHEAD OF STAFFING WHICH I THINK we SHOULD BE ABLE TO we SHOULD BE ABLE TO KEEP SHIFT COVERAGE OVERTIME DOWN. **[02:07:30] Councilmember Shawn Nelson:** YEAH. THANK YOU, MAYOR. JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK FIRST IF YOU HAPPEN TO FIND A CATALYTIC CONVERTER FROM A CHEVY PICKUP TRUCK IN THERE, JUST LET ME KNOW AND I SAID ONE OVER. **[02:07:45] Chief Booker Hodges:** IT'S FROM BURNSVILLE. THAT'S NOT BLOOMINGTON. we AIN'T FIGURED OUT WHERE THESE PEOPLE WENT. YEAH, FAIR ENOUGH. **[02:07:50] Councilmember Shawn Nelson:** BUT TO THE BUDGET WHEN we LOOKED AT STAFFING LEVELS THAT THE COMPARABLE CITIES DID YOU ALSO LOOK AT NON SWORN AND YOU KNOW IS THERE ANY SUBTLE SHIFTS IN MODELS WHERE MAYBE SOME DEPARTMENTS USE NON SWORN TO DO ADMINISTRATIVE AND AND KEEP THE SWORN OFFICERS OUT IN THE STREET MORE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT AND ARE we STILL A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN THEM? AND THEN THE OTHER PART OF THE QUESTION IS I THINK TO YOUR JUST A MINUTE AGO THAT we FOR A LONG TIME WEREE WEREN'T AT OUR AUTHOZED NUMBERS. DO we KNOW IF THE OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE AT THEIR AUTHORIZED NUMBERS OR IF THEY'RE SHORT STAFFED AND WHAT THEIR ACTUAL STAFFING LEVELS LIKE? **[02:08:15] Chief Booker Hodges:** SO FOR MOST OF THESE THESE ARE THEY'RE AUTHORIZED AND we ARE THE ONLY ONE THAT'S FULLY STAFFED OC IN THIS LIST CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW NON SWORN I DID NOT I DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS HERE BUT I CAN TELL YOU RELATIVELY SPEAKING BLOOMINGTON we HAVE LESS NON SWORN STAFF THAN MOST POLICE OUR SIZE. I MEAN we're I THINK OUR YOU KNOW we we JUST we DON'T HAVE THAT MANY NON SWORN STAFF TO DO A LOT OF STUFF I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. SO LIKE BROOKLYN PARK HAS SIX CADETS THAT MANAGE THEIR JAIL we HAVE THREE PART TIMERS TO DO THAT AND I THINK THEY GOT SIX FULL TIME PEOPLE TO DO THAT TYPE STUFF SO IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION. **[02:09:00] Mayor Tim Busse:** COUNSEL. ANYTHING ADDITIONAL YOU'RE GOOD. THANKOU CHIEF. THANKS NEXT NEXT STEP we HAVE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CHIEF SEAL. GOOD EVENING. **[02:09:15] Chief Ulysses Seal:** GOOD EVENING CHIEF MAYOR COUNCILMEMBERS OH I GOT CONTROL. HOW come YOU'RE LAUGHING THAT YEAH YOU GOT CONTROL ISSUE SO SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE OBVIOUSLY BETWEEN 2022 AND 2023 TWO MAIN AREAS PEOPLE AND EQUIPMENT BOTH LARGE FIRE EQUIPMENT AND SMALL FIRE EQUIPMENT HAVE SIGNIFICANT ADDITIONS ABOUT A MILLION BUCKS BETWEEN THOSE TWO FUNDS, IS THAT CORRECT? AND THEN THE PEOPLE SIDE OF IT IS THE ADDITIONAL SIX FIREFIGHTERS. SO THOSE ARE THE TWO MAJOR DIFFERENCES AS YOU LOOK FOR SMALL EQUIPMENT THERE'S THAT $350,000 DIFFERENCE FIVE LARGE EQUIPMENT, A LITTLE THAN A HALF MILLION DOLLARS AND THEN THE DIFFERENCE IN SALARY AND BENEFITS IS A MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS. AND THIS IS BASICALLY WHAT WHAT I WAS JUST TALKING THE SIX ADDITIONAL FIREFIGHTERS OH ,THERE'S AN ADDITION FOR THE FOUR FIREFIGHTERS THAT I came TO YOU EARLIER THIS YEAR AND REQUESTED PERMISSION HIRE AND I GOT AND THEN THERE'S AN INCREASE OF $214,000 FOR OUR HOURLY RATE FOR OUR PAID ON CALL FIREFIGHTERS AND THEN AN INCREASE IN SALARIES OF EXISTING FOR FIRE DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEES IT'S REALLY PEOPLE AND OUR LARGE AND OUR SMALL FIRE EQUIPMENT ARE TWO MAJOR MAJOR CONTRIBUTORS TO THIS AND AS YOU ARE AWARE we GOT THE SAFER AND we WERE AWARDED THOSE THOSE DOLLARS. we've GOT SIX MONTHS TO HIRE 18 FIREFIGHTERS. THOSE DOLLARS WILL COVER SALARIES AND BENEFITS FOR THOSE 18 FIREFIGHTERS FOR THREE YEARS. SO END OF 25 26 THOSE FIREFIGHTERS come ON TO THE BUDGET IN 26. **[02:11:00] Chief Ulysses Seal:** THIS OBVIOUSLY IS SOMETHING I'VE TALKED TO YOU ABOUT NUMEROUS TIMES BEFORE THE NEED FOR STAFFING AND THE EFFECT THIS HAS ON OUR ABILITY TO PUT TRUCKS ON THE ROAD AS WELL AS AFFECTS OUR RESPONSE TIMES AND WHICH FEEDS RIGHT INTO THIS NEXT SLIDE I KIND OF UPDATED THIS SLIDE BEFORE WHAT YOU SAW WAS THROUGH I BELIEVE AND I ENDED JUNE, JY, AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER AND IT KIND OF GIVES YOU THE THE SAME SAME SLIGHT DEGRADATION IN SOME OF OUR RESPONSE METRICS THE TOTAL RESPONSE DROPPED TO 57% RATHER THAN 65%. BUT OUR ROLLING WITH ONE OR TWO FIREFIGHTER HAS STAYED PRETTY, PRETTY STEADY AND SAME WITH OUR ALL ROOKIE CREWS CALLS ARE AROUND THE SAME SAME FOR ALL ALL THE MONTHS SOT'S NOT GETTINGETTER I GUESS IS THE POINT OF THAT SLIDE AND IT WON'T UNTIL we we DO SOMETHING ABOUT SO SAME THING HERE JUST A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 2015 AND 2021 LOOKING AT BECAUSE AS YOU RECALL TALKED TO YOU THAT YOU KNOW I ACTUALLY STARTED TRACKING A LOT OF THESE METRICS IN 2007 AND we've BEEN STRUGGLING FOR A WHILE BUT CONSIDERABLY WORSE NUMBERS BETWEEN 2015 AND 2021 AND THEN THE FIRST PART OF THIS YEAR NUMBERS AS WELL. I THINK A COUPLE OF THINGS TO NOTICE IN IS THAT THE THAT we ARE UNABLE TO STAFF A UNIT NOW I WILL REASSURE EVERYONE THAT EVERY CALL GETS A RESPONSE EVERY CALL HAD A RESPONSE. MANY OF OUR CALL TYPES MULTIPLE UNITS TO RESPOND SO A STRUCTURE FIRE REQRES MULTIPLE UNI TO RESPOND AND we're BEEN STRUGGLING GETTING ALL OF THOSE UNITS THAT ARE ASSIGNED OUT THE DOOR WITH PEOPLE THIS IS JUST TALKING ABOUT STRUCTURE FIRES AND we're TRYING TO REACH A GOAL OF 11 MINUTES, 30 SECONDS, 90% OF THE TIME TO GET 15 FIREFIGHTERS ON THE FIRE GROUND. BUT I'LL POINT OUT THAT STANDARD WAS DESIGNED TO APPLY TO A ONE STORY SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING. we're APPLYING IT TO RIGHT NOW BECAUSE we CAN'T MAKE THE STANDARD EVEN FOR A ONE STOREY SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING. **[02:12:45] Chief Ulysses Seal:** SO AND THAT JUST SHOWS YOU WHAT we've GOT UP THERE AND HOW we PERFORMED ON JANUARY THROUGH OCTOBER 17. STRUCTURE FIRES IN NINE OF THOSE YOU know NINE OF THOSE ARE REQUIRED 14 TO 35 MINUTES TO GET 15 FIREFIGHTERS ON THE FIRE 35 MINUTES THAT'S A LONG TIME NOW we've HAD ONE SINCE OCTOBER WHERE OCTOBER 12TH WHERE we DIDN'T we DIDN'T GET ONE we DID NOT REACH 15 FIREFIGHTERS ON SCENE AND THAT WAS OCCUPIED HOTEL WITH A WORKING STRUCTURE FIRE INT SO we DIDN'T PUT THE FIRE ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE CONCERNING TO US OF COURSE MUCH LIKE THE POLICE CHIEF IS A PROJECTED GROWTH DEVELOPMENT FOR THE CITY. THE INCREASE IN PROJECTED INCREASE IN HOUSING UNITS, PROJECTED INCREASE IN POPULATION COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THE ORIGINAL TEN YEAR PLAN THAT I come BACK TO COUNCIL WITH FOR STAFFING THE DEPARTMENT OVER YEARS IS PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO BE ACCELERATED AS we TAKE INTO ACCOUNT SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN AND THE INCREASE IN POPULATION MORE PEOPLE YOU PUT INTO AN AREA THE MORE PEOPLE THAT CALL FOR HELP FIRE PENSION FUND I MAY BAIL OUT ON THIS A LITTLE BIT AND LIKE CORY BUT I'LL START OFF ON IT SO OUR PEDUNCLE FIREFIGHTERS THAT SERVED FOR 20 YEARS AND THEY HAVE TO SERVE THE ENTIRE 20 YEARS QUALIFY FOR A PENSION AND FINANCIAL MARKETS AND HOW WELL THE MARKETS DO AT THE END OF THE YEAR HAVE A BIG ON THE ANNUAL ANNUAL PENSION OBLIGATION FOR THE CITY FOR EXAMPLE AT THE END OF THIS YEAR 2022 WILL HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE PENSION OBLIGATION FOR 2024. THE END OF 2021 IS WHAT SET THE PENSION OBLIGATION FOR 2023. SO IN YEARS WHERE INVESTMENT RETURNS WERE LOW AT YEAR END THE CITY HAS HAD A CONTRIBUTION CONTRIBUTE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS.8 MILLION IN BOTH 2010 AND 2011 RIGHT AFTER THE 28 DOWNTURN AT THE END OF THE 28 YOU know THAT'S WHERE THOSE YOU GET START GETTING THE SKIP IN THE YEARS AND AND EVEN THOUGH we WERE STARTING TO come BACK IN 2010 AND 2011 THE RESULTS OF THE PREVIOUS YEAR'S DOWNTURN WERE SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTING THE THE PENSION FUND. **[02:15:30] Chief Ulysses Seal:** FORTUNATELY INVESTMENT RETURNS ARE HIGHER AT THE END OF 21 AND SO WE WERE FUND OVER OUR THRESHOLD OF 120%. SO we're JUST DOING PASS THROUGH OF STATE AID SO OF 2020 AND 2023. NOW AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER THIS EVENING, we HAVE CREATED A FUND IN THE CITY THAT THERE IS A LINE ITEM IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BUDGET EVERY YEAR TO PUT MONEY INTO THAT FUND TO SMOOTH OUT THOSE $3.8 MILLION YEARS WHEN WHEN MARKETS AREN'T KIND. SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR THAT FUND AND THE REASON FOR TRYING TO MAINTAIN FUND BALANCE THERE WHICH IS THE SLIDE HERE. AND SO THAT FUND BALANCE GOING FORWARD WHAT we're TRYING TO MAINTAIN SO THAT we CAN HAVE A SMOOTHING OF THE IMPACT OF THE TAX LEVY FROM YEAR TO YEAR ON YEARS WHERE we HAVE TO PLAY CATCH UP FOR INVESTMENT PERFORMANCE AND I WILL SAY THIS THAT THE THE RELIEF ASSOCIATION FUNDS BENCHMARK WITH MOST OF THE OTHER MAJOR FUNDS AND MATCH THE OTHER MAJOR FUNDS MEANS WHEN THEY HAVE BAD YEARS we HAVE BAD YEARS WHEN THEY HAVE GOOD YEARS we HAVE GOOD YEARS AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE IT IS FOR EVERYBODY RIGHT. SO OUR WORKING CAPITAL BALANCE MOVING FORWARD IS THIS IS THIS IS ONE OF THOSE FUNDS THAT I THINK ALL OF OUR WORKING CAPITAL BALANCES ARE IMPORTANT TO TRY TO MAINTAIN BUT THIS IS ONE THAT WILL HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE LEVY IF we DON'T BECAUSE we ARE LEGISLATIVELY TO MAKE THOSE PENSION PAYMENTS. DO I MISS ANYTHING PUBLIC SAFETY TECHNOLOGY EQUIPMENT NOW I'M GOING TO SPEAK AND THIS ENCOMPASSES MORE THAN JUST THE FIRE ALSO ENCOMPASSES THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND IT COVERS RADIO OPERATIONS MOBILE DATA COMPUTERS MDC WHICH ARE MOBILE DATA COMPUTERS REPLACEMENTS BODY CAMERA DATA FEES, POLICE EQUIPMENT, FIRE SMALL EQUIPMENT AND FIRE LARGE EQUIPMENT. ALL RIGHT. AND DON WANT TO GET INTO A COMPISON BETWEEN POLICE EQUIPMENT AND FIRE EQUIPMENT BECAUSE THEY CAN'T KEEP UP WITH SO ALL OF ALL THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS TOYS MUCH, MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE AND THIS KIND OF LAYS OUT THE RADIO THE RADIO PUBLIC SAFETY RADIO FUND AND THE MDC AND THE PROJECTION GOING FORWARD AS YOU SEE 2020 4 25 AND 26 THERE ARE SOME SIGNIFICANT EXPENDITURES OUT OF THIS FUND FOR MDX'S RADIOS AND ALSO SOME PUBLIC WORKS RADIOS IN THIS FUND AS WELL. BUT POLICE RADIOS PUBLIC WORKS RADIOS FIRE RADIOS IN MDX'S IN THOSE THREE YEARS AND YOU SEE you know, across those three years is about a $2 million set of expenditures large fire equipment, small fire equipment, police equipment. THIS IS I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT AND SIGNIFICANT coming FORWARD ONCE AGAIN IN 2020 WELL 2023 IS GOT A LADDER TRUCK THAT we HAVE ALREADY GOT ORDERED ON IT'S GOT ABOUT A 600 DAY BUILD TIME TO IT IN 2024 THERE ARE ENGINES ANOTHER 600 DAY BUILD TIME ON THOSE SO we PROBABLY WON'T GET THE LADDER UNTIL 2024 AND THE ENGINES UNTIL 2025. SO SOME OF THESE FUNDS WILL BE CARRIED OVER TO COVER THOSE EXPENSES AND THEN 2026 we've GOT ANOTHER LARGE TRUCK ON ONLINE AND SMA EQUIPMENT. SOME OF THOSE ARE ARE GONE UP FROM YEARS IN PAST AND WAS KIND OF A NOTICE I GAVE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO TO FOLKS THAT I'VE GOT SOME EQUIPMENT coming DUE FOR REPLACEMENT AND I'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE THE TURN OUT GEAR THAT we PUT OUR FIREFIGHTER IN COSTS ABOUT 8000 $8,000 FOR TWO SETS FOR ONE FIREFIGHTER AND HAS A TEN YEAR SHELF LIFE AS AS A LOT OF THE OTHER EQUIPMENT we HAVE THAT HAS A SHELF LIFE ON IT THAT we TO REPLACE AND we TRY TO PROGRAM THAT OUT OVER SEVERAL YEARS AND THAT'S WHY YOU CAN SEE 23, 24 AND 25, 26 ARE ALL PRETTY CONSTANT ACROSS THERE AS IT IS we'RE TRYING PROGRAM THIS STUFF OUT AND THEN THE POLICE POLICE EQUIPMENT , PUBLIC SAFETY THIS IS THE SPREADSHEET THAT YOU LOOK AT AND YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE WORKING CAPITAL BALANCE GOING FORWARD AND THE FUNDS THAT we NEED TO KEEP INTO THAT CAPITAL FUNDING BALANCE AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT THAT WHILE THIS IS ONE LITTLE PIECE OF THAT SPREADSHEET FINANCE HAS DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OF PROJECTING THIS OUT FOR FOUR MORE YEARS AND THAT GREEN LINE we DON'T PUT MONEY INTO THOSE FUND BALANCES TURNS YELLOW THE DREADED RED. ALL RIGHT WHAT DO YOU DO? WHAT YOU GOT TO GET A CORRECTION IN ANYTHING. **[02:20:15] Mayor Tim Busse:** OKAY. THANK YOU SO. COUNCIL QUESTIONS COUNCILMEMBER D'ALESSANDRO AND COUNCILMEMBER CARTER. **[02:20:20] Councilmember Lona Dallessandro:** THANK YOU MAYOR JUST I MIGHT HAVE TO TIE THESE TWO BACK TOGETHER. I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT I THINK IN THE PROPOSAL OR IN THE PRESENTATION THAT SHE JUST GAVE THERE WAS A COMMENTARY THERE THAT THERE'S A HALF OF THE THE I GUESS IT WAS THE BODY CAMERA SOFTWARE IS PAID BY IT AND THE OTHER HALF IS PAID BY. IS THAT CORRECT OR DID I MISUNDERSTAN THAT AND I JUS WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD THAT AGAINST WHAT WE SAW IN THE POLICE PRESENTATION. **[02:20:45] Carrie Carlson:** YES. WORKING MAYOR COUNCILMEMBERS D'ALESSANDRO THAT WAS AN ERROR THAT IN THAT SLIDE I JUST NOTICED AS IT WENT BY SO IT USED TO BE THAT THE BODY CAMERA FEEDS DID GET CHARGED TO THE POLICE GENERAL FUND AND THEN AND I'M SORRY THAT'S NOT CORRECT THEY WERE THAT'S HOW THEY USED TO WORK IS ANTI PAINT A PORTION OF IT AND THERE'S A POLICE DRUG FORFEITURE FUND THAT PAID A PORTION AND THEY WERE A LOT LOWER AND THIS YEAR WHEN THE NEW AXON CONTRACT came ON THIS THERE WAS NO FUNDING SOURCE THAT CAN come THROUGH HERE AND AND FUND THOSE COSTS AND SINCE THEY WERE ALL IT WAS GOING TO HAVE TO come THROUGH THIS FUND AND GET ALL CHARGED TO THE POLICE GENERAL FUND OR ELSE we JUST PUT IT RIGHT IN THE POLICE GENERAL FUND BECAUSE IT WAS JUST GOING TO ONE PLACE. SO THAT IS A CHANGE FROM PAST YEARS AND WITH THIS NEW CONTRACT. SO LIKE IF YOU GO BACK TO THE LONG TERM MODEL THERE'S A LINE THE EXPENSES FOR AND I SEE BODY CAMERA FEES AND IT'S ZEROS OUT STARTING IN 2023. GREAT. OKAY THE SO THE NET NET IS THAT THEODY CAMER FEE IN THIS FUND IS ZEROING OUT OVER TIME BECAUSE IT'S BEING PICKED UP IN THE POLICE GENERAL FUND AND THAT WAS THAT $514,000 NUMBER SO RIGHT. OKAY. AND I KNOW THAT'S INCLUSIVE OF OTHER THINGS AND THEN I WAS I DIDN'T SEE IT AND I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT THINKING ABOUT IT UNTIL NOW BUT IN THE IT BUDGET we HAVE A SIMILAR LINE ITEM THEN THAT GOES TO ZERO YES MAYORS. CITY COUNCILMEMBERS COUNCILMEMBER D'ALESSANDRO THERE WAS AID TRANSFERRED TO FUND THAT USED TO BE $50,000 TH IS NOW ZO AND THEN IN THE IT FD. OKAY GREAT. THANK. **[02:22:15] Councilmember Jenna Carter:** THANK YOU. MAYOR. SO I MENTIONED THIS TO YOU EARLIER SO NOT TOTALLY. OH, we DID HAVE SOMEBODY JOIN US AT THE LISTENING SESSION EARLIER TONIGHT AND MENTIONED THAT SOME CONVERSATIONS HE'S HAD WITH PEOPLE RELATED TO THE LEVY IN SUPPORTING THE EXPANSION OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS RELATED TO THE FIRE INSURANCE RATING THAT we HAVE SOMEWHERE ON OUR WEBSITE IS MAYBE A LITTLE OUT OF DATE. AND SO I'M JUST WONDERING SO ON OUR WEBTE ITAYS THAT we RATED TWO WITH ONE BEING THE HIGHEST. AND SO I GUESS COULD YOU SPEAK TO WHY THAT'S NOT REALLY AS we CONTINUE TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS AGAIN THIS IS JUST FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND AS WELL. **[02:22:45] Chief Ulysses Seal:** THAT'S REFERRING OUR ISO RATING. ISO IS THE INSURANCE SERVICES ORGANIZATION WHICH IS A PRIVATE FOR PROFIT ENTITY THAT GRADES DEPARTMENTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND PROVIDES RATING SCHEDULES TO SELL TO INSURANCE COMPANIES SO THEY CAN CHARGE AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF FIRE INSURANCE HOMEOWNERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY THEY DO RATINGS THEY USED TO DO RATINGS OF FIRE DEPARTMENTS EVERY TEN YEARS THEY STARTED DOING IT EVERY FIVE YEARS. THEY HAVEN'T KEPT TO THAT SCHEDULE AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME BECAUSE THERE'S OVER FIVE YEARS AGO THAT THE LAST TIME we WERE RATED THERE'S TWO POINTS TO THAT. ONE POINT IS IS THAT WHEN THEY RATE FIRE DEPARTMENTS THEY RATE FIRE DEPARTMENTS BASED UPON THEIR ABILITY TO RESPOND TO AND SUPPRESS STRUCTURE FIRES. IT'S ALL ABOUT BUILDINGS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PEOPLE OR ANY OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT we DO GOING TO CAR CRASHES OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT we DO. SO ONLY CARE ABOUT RESPONSE TO STRUCTURE FIRES AND SAVING BUILDINGS. THE OTHER THING I WILL SAY IS THAT WAS OVER FIVE YEARS AGO we WERE RATED AND I WAS PROBABLY HAD HUNDRED AND 35 FIREFIGHTERS THEN RATHER THAN 99 FIREFIGHTERS AND I HAVE SIGNIFICANT RESERVATIONS ON WHAT OUR RATING WOULD LOOK LIKE IF we WERE RATED TODAY. **[02:24:00] Councilmember Victor Rivas:** THANK YOU. MAYOR. JUST T CLARIFYAYBE I'M JUST MISSIN IT BUT IEE THE SLIDE THAT THE 2023 PRELIMINARY BUDGET REQUEST AM I I DID NOT SEE THE WAY we DID FOR EXAMPLE WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AN UPDATED REQUEST AM I OKAY AND ASSUMING THE PRELIMINARY IS THE SAME AS THE UPDATED OR HAVE THERE BEEN ANY CHANGES. **[02:24:15] Chief Ulysses Seal:** IT'S THE SAME OC THAT'S THAT'S WHY I HAD TO CHECK WITH MY BOOKKEEPER TO MAKE SURE ERIN THAT'S WHAT I ASSUMED I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I WAS THAT CORRECTLY. THANK YOU. **[02:24:30] Councilmember Dwayne Lowman:** SO ALONG THOSE SAME LINES I'LL ASK THIS AGAIN I'LL KEEP ASKING IT BECAUSE I THINK THAT IT WL come UP AS we GET CLOSER TO THE BUDGET DECISION PROCESS. SO we we GOT TWO OF OUR SAFER GRANT FOUR FOR 18 FOLKS AND THEN THERE WERE ROUGHLY TEN OTHER PEOPLE SO UP TO 28 FOR THIS YEAR AND CERTAINLY we'RE LOSING FOLKS AS YOU'VE SHOWN IN THE IN THE SLIDE SO SINCE we HAVE THAT GRANT COULDN'T we REDUCE THE THE AMOUNT OF OUR LEVY we'VE PUT IN TO FIRE OR TRY TO GO THE OTHER WAY? we're PUTTING THIS LET'S REMEMBER LOWMAN MAYOR COUNCILMEMBERS THE COUNCIL SETS THIS AND THEY CAN DO REALLY WHATEVER THEY SEE FIT ACTUALLY MY ARGUMENT TO THE CITY MANAGER WAS THAT I'M WAY BEHIND IF CAN GET T GRANTS BEEN A GIFT we WEREN'T SURE we WERE GOING TO GET THE GRANT SO WHEN we DID THE BUDGET WORK FOR 23 AND 24 we ADDED we HAD IN FOR BOTH 23 AND 24 SIX ADDITIONAL FIREFIGHTERS FOR BOTH YEARS AND SUBSEQUENT YEARS GOING OUT BUT MY ARGUMENT WAS IS THAT I'M SO FAR BEHIND THAT I COULD I NEED THE SIX AS WELL AS THE 18 THE 18 IS A GIFT I STILL NEED THE SIX IN THE SIX AFTER THAT LOOKING AT THE EXPANSION GROWTH IN THE CITY HOUSING UNITS, WORLD'S FAIR, ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING THAT THE POLICE CHIEF ALSO SPOKE TO ARE AFFECTING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AS WELL THANKS TO RUBY. **[02:25:45] Zach Walker:** THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCILMEMBERS COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN. IT IS A GOOD QUESTION. IT'S THE RIGHT QUESTION TO ASK AS we START ZEROING IN ON WHERE we're GOING TO BE FOR OUR FINAL LEVY IN IN EARLY DECEMBER AND FRANKLY OUR EXECUTIVE TEAM HASN'T HAD CHANCE TO WORK THROUGH THOSE OPTIONS YET. SO we HAVE DISCUSSION AMONG OURSELVES FIGURING OUT WHAT WANT TOO IN TERM OF A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE COUIL. **[02:26:15] Councilmember Dwayne Lowman:** THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. I JUST I'D LIKE TO JUST SAY FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT A CITY MANAGER ,I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US PROCESS AS MUCH AS we CAN INTO THOSE THOSE FIRE RULES AND ALSO THROUGH OUR POLICE ROLES AS MUCH AS we POSSIBLY CAN JUST SO THAT we ARE PREPARED FOR ANY EVENTUALITY THAT comes FORWARD. I JUST THINK THAT IT'S JUST AND I THINK THAT AS we LOOK ACROSS THE DEMOGRAPHICS THIS WILL SHIFT AND CHANGE. I THINK THAT THE PRICE OF GETTING THOSE PARTICULAR ROLES ARE GOING TO ONLY INCREASE SO THINK IT BEHOOVES US TO TRY TO TO TAKE THAT TAKE THAT HIT NOW AS TO A MORE EXPENSIVE HIT LATER DOWN THE ROAD BUT THAT'S JUST ONE COUNCILMEMBER PERSPECTIVE. THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER LAMENT COUNCIL ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS QUESTIONS CHICO THANK YOU THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. **[02:27:15] Mayor Tim Busse:** MOVING ON DOWN IN 5.4 AND THIS BUDGET IS ON FLEET AND FACILITIES, INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS AND PUBLIC WORKS GENERAL BUDGETS AND HERE come THE REQUISITE FOLKS TO ABOUT THAT. **[02:27:30] Julie Long:** GOOD EVENING. WELCOME. THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBERS OH I WAS GOING TO INTRODUCE YOU MICHAEL TIME OUR FLEET MANAGER IS GOING TO GO THROUGH THE FLEET FUND. **[02:27:45] Michael (Fleet Manager):** ALL RIGHT. WHAT we're DOING? FLEET IS we MAINTAIN AND REPAIR BUY ANDELL ALLHE EQUIPMENT. THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON THAT INCLUDES THE SNOWPLOW TRUCKS THAT YOU SEE OUT THERE INCLUDES THE LAWNMOWERS OVER THE SUMMERTIME THE TRAILERS, SIDEWALK PLOWS BASICALLY we AS AN ENGINE OUR WHEELS we TAKE CARE OF IT. OUR OVERALL GOAL IS MAKE SURE THAT we HAVE THE LOWEST LIFETIME COST OF OWNERSHIP FOR EACH OF THOSE CLASSES OF VEHICLES. SAVE THE MONEY AS WELL AS MAKE SURE THAT THE VEHICLE IS RELIABLE FOR THESE OTHER DEPARTMENTS TO USE THEIR EQUIPMENT BECAUSE IT IS A TOOL NECESSARY FOR THEM DO THEIR JOB. OUR TOTAL REQUEST FOR THE 2023 BUDGET WHICH INCLUDES BOTH OF OUR CAPITAL IN OUR OPERATIONAL IS JUST SHY OF $9 MILLION. we HAVE 12 FULL TIME EMPLOYEES INCLUDING MYSELF MYSELF AGAIN LOOKING AT OUR OPERATIONAL BUDGET OVER TIME we HAVE MANAGED TO KEEP THIS FAIRLY STATIC OVER THE LAST YOU KNOW, TEN YEARS we've BEEN DOING THAT BY MAKING SURE THAT we REVIEW ALL OF OUR INTERNAL PROCESSESE'VE HOW we DO SOME OF OUR SERVICING we WILL BE REFLECT A LITTLE BIT LATER we WERE TRYING TO BE MORE PROACTIVE OPPOSED TO REACTIVE ONE IT SAVES MONEY BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT FIXING WHEN IT'S BROKEN HERE YOU'RE REPAIRING IT AS WELL AS IT HELPS YOU PLAN AGAIN I SAID THESE THIS EQUIPMENT IS THE TOOLS FOR THESE OTHER DEPARTMENTS TO DO THEIR JOB IF THEY HAVE AN UNEXPECTED BREAKDOWN THAT IS NEGATIVELY IMPACTING HOW THEY PERFORM SERVICES FOR THE CITIZENS. SO OBVIOUSLY THE MORE we CAN DO PRO ACTIVE AS OPPOSED TO REACTIVE IS A GOOD THING AND SO YOU SEE HERE PRETTY WELL SAVES us MONEY AS WELL. **[02:29:45] Michael (Fleet Manager):** ONE THING we ARE ASKING FOR MONEY MORE MONEY THIS YEAR IS ON OUR CAPITAL COSTS. VEHICLE COSTS HAVE GONE UP QUITE A BIT THIS YEAR ON TOP OF THE COST OF THE VEHICLES THEMSELVES UP MOST OF OUR VEHICLES we PURCHASE OFF OF COOPERATIVE AGREEMENTS BEING A GOVERNMENT AGENCY AS OPPOSED TO GOING OUT FOR A REQUEST FOR BID MULTIPLE ONES PROCESSORS AGENCIES THAT HAVE THESE VEHICLES ALREADY CONTRACT AS WELL AS ONE OF THE BIG ONES ANDY UTILIZI THE we CAN SAVE A LOT OF TIME IN PROCURING THESE THINGS VERY IMPORTANT IN THIS DAY AND AGE THERE WAS ONE MODEL THAT THERE WAS OPEN FOR 8 HOURS TO ORDER A NEW VEHICLE THIS YEAR THERE ARE SOME SUPER DUTY TRUCKS THAT THE WINDOW IS FORECAST TO BE THREE DAYS BUT IF THEY GET ENOUGH ORDERS THAT COULD BE SHORTER THIS YEAR. SO HAVING THOSE CONTRACTS IN PLACE IS IMPERATIVE TO BE ABLE TO GET THESE THINGS REPLACED ON TIME ON TOP OF THE VEHICLES COSTING MORE THE we've SEEN THIS LAST YEAR SOME OF THESE VEHICLES we USED TO GET ABO 25% DISCOUNT THE HA DROPPED TO A 3% DISCOUNT FROM RETAIL COST SO we REALLY GOT SQUEEZED PRETTY HARD ON THAT. SO we ARE LOOKING TO INCREASE OUR CAPITAL BUDGET TO KEEP OUR REPLACEMENTS ON SCHEDULE. THEY MIGHT BEFORE YOU PROCEED. **[02:31:00] Zach Walker:** THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR PACKET THEN LOOKING AT THE SCREEN YOU MIGHT THINK THESE CHARTS DON'T LOOK ALIKE. we THEM SO THEY WERE GOING FROM CURRENT YEAR BACKWARDS WHEN THEY WERE PUT THE INTO THE PACKET AND SO MIKE AND COREY FIXED IT TODAY SO we FLIPPED IT AROUND SO THAT U'RE NORMALLYEEING IT FROM PAST TO CURRENT. **[02:31:15] Carrie Carlson:** I'LL TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY. I TOOK IT AS A DATA DUMP OUT OF OUR FINANCIALS SOFTWARE AND I DIDN'T FLIP IT ALL RIGHT. YOU HAD ME COMPLETELY STUMPED. SORRY ABOUT THAT I'LL TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY ON THAT ONE. **[02:31:30] Michael (Fleet Manager):** THANK YOU, MAYOR. MANAGER AGAIN THIS IS GOING BACK TO us SAYING WHERE we're TRYING BE PROACTIVE AS OPPOSED TO REACTIVE AND I WENT BACK TO 2011 AND we TRACKED THE TOTAL NUMBER OF WORK ORDERS TIME A VEHICLE WAS IN FOR SERVICE AND MUCH OF THAT I REACTIVE VERS PROACTIVE AND A YOU CAN SEE, you know, there's been a little bit of ups and downs but generally we're trending the right direction and we are now doing more proactive than reactive and that has decreased our total number of repairs needed completely. SO DEFINITELY TRENDING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION ONE TO SHOW YOU WHAT we're DOING AND WHY we're DOING IT. ONE OF THE STRATEGIC PRIORITIES FOR THE COUNCIL IS, YOU KNOW, BEING GOOD STEWARDS OF OUR ENVIRONMENT. I'M A HUGE FAN, HUGE PROPONENT OF THAT. ON OF THE THINGS THAT we DID THIS YEAR WHEN we DID OUR 20 YEAR VEHICLE REPLACEMENT STUDY IS we LOOKED AT THE VEHICLES OUT THERE RIGHT NOW THAT THERE ARE VIABLE EVS FOR WHEN SAY RIGHT NOW OBVIOUSLY TECHNOLOGY IS IMPROVING. THERE'S MOST LIKELY GOING TO BE MORE VIABLE OPTIONS IN THE FUTURE. BUT CURRENTLY THERE'S 60 UNITS THAT we HAVE EARMARKED FOR REPLACING WITH EVS AS come DUE AND THEIR NATURAL REPLACEMENT CYCLE. XCEL ENERGY HAS BEEN A GOOD PARTNER WITH US. THEY ACTUALLY UP THE TAB FOR INSTALLING BUNCH OF NEW CHARGERS THAT we HAVE FOR THIS BATCH OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES we HAVE coming ON BOARD. we DID TO BUY THE CHARGING SYSTEM THEMSELVES BUT THEY CARRIED THE COST FOR ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE ARE THE WIRES IN THE GROUND THE NEW BOX WHICH IS ALSO GOING TO ALLOW us TO UTILIZE OFF PEAK CHARGING DROP OUR CHARGING RATES FOR THOSE SO THEY'VE BEEN AN EXCELLENT PARTNER FOR us. **[02:33:45] Carrie Carlson:** I THINK YOU LIKE ME TO TAKE THIS SO HERE'S LONG TERM MODEL FOR THE FLEET FUND AND WITH THE WORKING CAPITAL AND SO FOR 2023 THE REVENUES ARE JUST OVER 7.7 MILLION. SO THOSE ARE SPLIT UP IN THE MAINTENANCE CHARGES TO DEPARTMENTS AND THE REPLACEMENT CHARGES DEPARTMENT TO DEPARTMENTS. YOU CAN SEE THE REPLACEMENT CHARGES ARE A LOT HIGHER THAN LAST YEAR BUT THE MEDIAN CHARGES ARE DOWN A BIT AND THEN we ALSO HAVE BUDGETED EXPENSES THAT ARE JUST UNDER $9 MILLION AS MY GOING THROUGH AND THE WORKING CAPITAL FOR THIS FUND IT DOES DIP DOWN A BIT. IT GOES INTO THE YELLOW THAT 80% TO 90% RANGE. THE GOAL FOR FROM 2024 AND IN 2028 BUT THEN IT comes BACK UP IN LINE WITH THE GOAL THIS FUND FURTHER OUT IN 2029 AND BELIEVE THAT IS ALL we HAVE IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR us LOTS OF QUESTIONS ON THE FLEET FUND. **[02:34:45] Councilmember Lona Dallessandro:** THANK YOU, MAYOR. WOULD YOU MIND PUTTING THE CHART BACK UP THERE? THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WELL OFF I'M SAD THAT THE we'RE SPENDING MORE ON VEHICLES JUST BECAUSE YOU know their profits being taken at higher rates than I mean the cost of building the car hasn't really gone up let's put it that way right. IT'S JUST THE COST OF SELLING THEM. OKAY. MY MY THOUGHTS HERE WERE ABOUT THE IN THE PIE CHART THAT YOU THAT KIND OF DIVIDED UP THE EXPENSES OVERHEAD WAS ABOUT A QUARTER OR SO OF THE NUMBER AND I AND I CAN'T BETWEEN THAT PIE CHART THEN THE BUDGET LINE ITEM RECONCILE WHAT GOES INTO THAT YELLOW BUCKET I'M HOPING THAT YOU CAN ARTICULATE THAT FOR us. **[02:35:45] Michael (Fleet Manager):** AND SURE ABOUT 500,000 THAT IS FACILITIES COSTS SO ABOUT 10% OF OUR OVERALL BUDGET IS FOR SERVICE COST we ALSO PAY 300,000 ROUGHLY INTO BACKNTO THE GENERAL INTERNAL SERVICE ONE I BELIEVE IS HOW IT'S YES. **[02:36:00] Carrie Carlson:** SO THE THE GENERAL FUND DOES BACK TO THE NON GENERAL FUNDS SO THEY CHARGE BACK FOR THE FINANCED OF THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT ADMINISTRATION DEPARTMENT SO IT CHARGES TO THE UTILITY FUNDS AS WELL AS INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS AND OTHER ENTERPRISE FUNDS AND THAT FOLLOW UP YOUR REAL QUICK THAT 500,000 SO THESE ARE THE FACILITIES THAT I'M ASSUMING THAT'S THE GARAGE CORRECT SO THAT IS THE AND MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR YOU, MR. MANAGER. I KNOW we HAVE A GARAGE CAPITAL PROJECT CORRECT. THAT'S NOT INDICATED HERE. CORRECT. THAT WOULD BE THAT WAS IN THE CIP THAT we LOOKED AT TWO WEEKS AGO OR WHATEVER IT WAS THAT RIGHT? **[02:36:45] Zach Walker:** YES. MR. MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS COUNCIL MEMBER D'ALESSANDRO THIS YEAR we ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY FOR WHERE THAT WILL BE LOCATED. we HAVE THAT IN THE CHP FOR BEGINNING WORK I BELIEVE IN 24 AND AND FINISHING CONSTRUCTION AND 25. CORRECT. THEN IS THE IS THE PROJECTED COST FOR THAT PERSPECTIVE FOR THAT OVERHEAD INCLUSIVE OF THE NEW FACILITY THEN MEANING WILL TAKE OUT I GUESS we WILL BE USING IT BY 25 OR 26 I THINK we'D BE LOOKING AT move IN AND 25 I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT we HAVE ADJUSTED ANY FACILITY USAGE CHARGES BASED ON WHAT THE IS FOR HOW THAT BUILDING WILL FUNCTION AND we PROBABLY WON'T UNTIL we GET I THINK FURTHER INTO THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT EXPSSION. **[02:37:30] Mayor Tim Busse:** COUNSEL. ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ON THE FLEET FUND IF NOT LET'S move ON TO THE FACILITIES. THANK YOU DRINKS MICHAEL GOOD EVENING. **[02:37:45] Carl (Public Works):** GOOD EVENING. SO OUR FACILITIES FUND AGAIN IS THE SECOND INTERNAL SERVICE FUND IN PUBLIC WORKS. THIS FUND IS IN CHARGE OF OUR FOR THE MAINTENANCE AND CAPITAL REPAIRS OF OUR 58 BUILDINGS, OUR FIRE STATIONS AND THE CEMETERY AND THE OPERATION OF THE CEMETERY. we HAVE 14 FULL TIME FOLKS WHICH INCLUDES THE PROPOSAL ONE ADDITIONAL PERSON IN 2023 THIS IS FOR A PORTER AT THAT CITY HALL AND THEN IN OUR TOTAL BUDGET IS IN THE RANGE OF $7.3 MILLION A YEAR AS PROPOSED FOR 23. OUR BUDGET HAS KIND OF TWO MAIN COMPONENTS OUR OPERATING EXPENSES WHICH ARE THE ALL THE TYPICAL THINGS YOU'D EXPECT IN A IN A FACILITIES INCLUDING OUR STAFF UTILITY BILLS AND KIND OF THE CONTRACTUAL COSTS THAT we HAVE ASSOCIATED WITH IT AND THAT SET OF INTERNAL CHARGES THAT we JUST TALKED ABOUT IN OUR FLEET OPERATION AND we ALSO A NUMBER OF CAPITAL PROJECTS WHICH ARE REPLACEMENTS OR LARGER MAINTENANCE PROJECTS ON OUR FACILITIES. I WOULD NOTE THAT THIS DS T INCLUDE THEAPITAL PROJECTS THAT ARE PART OF THE CHP. THE LARGER PROJECTS LIKE FLEET GARAGE OR IF we HAD A NEW AUDITORIUM ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THESE CHARGES. THOSE ARE DONE SEPARATELY. THE REVENUE TO THIS FUND IS IS SOLELY FROM AND OCCUPANCY CHARGES TO OTHER OPERATIONS. SO THESE SHOW up IN ALL THOSE OTHER BUDGETS AND THE BUILDING THE LARGER ONES ARE EITHER PAID FOR THROUGH THE FUND IN THIS OR THERE ARE THROUGH THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. **[02:39:45] Carl (Public Works):** YOU MAY RECALL EARLIER THIS YEAR we PRESENTED YOU WITH A FACILITIES SERVICE ASSESSMENT. THIS IS KIND OF THAT PROCESS THAT we USE IN MOST OF OUR MAJOR OPERATIONSCROSS THE CITY TO KD OF LO IN DETAIL AT HOW OUR OPERATIONS ARE FUNCTIONING, COMPARE THEM TO OTHER SIMILAR OPERATIONS AROUND THE COUNTRY AND TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS I WOULD NOTE THAT THAT PROCESS FOR RECOMMENDING THAT we HIRE A NUMBER OF NEW POSITIONS AND KIND OF REORGANIZE A LITTLE BIT IN FACILITIES AND FACILITIES. THE FIRST IS THE HIRING OF FACILITIES MANAGER NOTES THAT THAT PROCESS IS IN PROCESS. HAPPY TO REPORT THAT we HAVE A NEW FACILITIES MANAGER WILL BE STARTING WITH us A WEEK FROM NOW CHRISTINA DAVERN IS HER NAME SHE comes TO us WITH A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF EXPERIENCE IN KIND OF PROFESSIONAL MANAGEMENT AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA SO we'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT ADD TO OUR GROUP IN E BUDGET PROPOSED FOR 2023 IS AN AUDIT A CIVIL CIVIC PLAZA? PORTER THIS IS A NEW MAINTENANCE POSITION THAT WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MANAGING THINGS HERE AT CIVIC PLAZA IN OUR SERVICE ASSESSMENT we FOUND THAT THERE WAS A RATHER LARGE PORTION OF THE TIMES SPENT BY OUR KIND OF PROFESSIONAL TECHNICIANS ON SETTING up ROOMS TAKING CARE OF BATHROOM TYPES OF THINGS KIND OF DAY TO DAY AND IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO TRY TO RELIEVE THEM OF THOSE AND SO DOES THE SUGGESTION TO HIRE A PORTER HERE AT CITY. SO THE PLAZA THE we SO THAT POSITION IS INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET 2023 THE SURFACE ASSESSMENT ALSO SUGGESTED THAT we HIRE FOUR NEW TECHNICIANS AS WELL AND we ARE PROPOSING TO DO THAT ONE A YEAR. INITIALLY we HAD SUGGESTED ONE FOR 2023 THAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN PROPOSED BUDGET THIS YEAR we ANTICIPATE THAT we'LL MAKE A REQUEST AGAIN THE FOLLOWING YEAR FOR THAT I WOULD NOTE A BIG CHANGE THAT we MADE THIS THIS YEAR WAS IN THE PAST PARK MAINTENANCE WAS PART THE FACILITIES FUND AND THEN THERE WAS A CROSS CHARGE FROM FROM THE FACILITIES FUND TO THE PARK AND RECREATION OPERATION THAT IS NOW PART OF THE GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES IN PUBLIC WORKS AND we FELT IT'S JUST A MORE CLEAR AND KIND OF OPEN WAY TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT AND SO IN THE PROPOSED 23UDGET THAT REMAINS AS PART OF THE PUBLIC WORKS GENERAL FUND AMOUNT AND I'LL SPEAK TO THAT IN OUR NEXT PRESENTATION WITH THAT KARI IS GOING TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS ON THE LONG TERM MODEL. **[02:42:15] Carrie Carlson:** THANK YOU. SO THE LONG TERM MODEL FOR THE INTERNAL SERVICES FOR THE FACILITY MAINTENANCE, THE THE WORKING CAPITAL BALANCE LOOKS HEALTHY COMPARED TO THE GOAL AND THE BUDGET REVENUES ARE JUST OVER 6.6 MILLION FOR 2023. THOSE ARE THE CHARGES OUT TO DERTMENTS MAINLY AND THE EXPENSES JUST OVER A LITTLE OVER $7.3 MILLION AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT FROM CAPITAL OUTLAY THAT PART OF THAT EXPENSE IS 2.3 MILLIONS AS PART OF THAT EXPENSE THAT'S PROJECTED FOR 2023 AND THEN INTERNAL EXPENSES OF $1,000,000 THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR CARL OR ME FOR THE FACILITY MAINTENANCE INTERNAL SERVICE FUND? **[02:42:45] Mayor Tim Busse:** THANK YOU, MR. KIEHL. IF we HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT IN A WHILE BUT IF we PUT UP THAT COLORFUL CHART THAT we HAVE OF OUR FACILITIES CONDITION ASSESSMENT. YES. WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE NOW AND HOW DOES THE BUDGET THAT YOU BRING FORWARD DOES IT AFFECT THAT? IS IT ABLE TO START IS IT ABLE TO CHIP AWAY AT SOME OF THOSE ISSUES IN OUR I THINK IT WAS we DIDN'T CALL AN FCA DID we? FCA YES. IS IT ABLE TO CHIP AWAY AT SOME OF THOSE THINGS? IS THAT MORE ARE THOSE MORE THINGS THAT REQUIRE A MAJOR CAPITAL OVERHAUL TO ACTUALLY MAKE AN IMPACT IN THAT. **[02:43:30] Carl (Public Works):** THE REAL COLORFUL FACILITIES THAT PART OF THAT GRAPH ARE THE ONES THAT ARE IN VERY, VERY POOR CONDITION AND THEY'RE WELL REGULAR MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES. SO ARE THE ACTIVITIES THAT ARE PART OF THIS BUDGET DO LITTLE TO CHANGE THE DRAMATIC EFFECT OF THE COLORS OF THAT GRAPH THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT IS HANDLED BY THE LARGER PROJECTS THAT ARE IN OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. **[02:43:45] Zach Walker:** MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS I WOULD NOTE ALSO ON THAT CHART you know, our replacement is focused on those ones that are very colorful than the buildings that we're proposing over the next several years to replace are all in in that far to the right category. AND I WOULD ECHO WHAT CARL SAID AND EMPHASIZE THAT, you know, when we when we did our facilities assessment, our service assessment, one of the things they really stressed was the imptance of identifying again the service level expectations and having a program to keep the other facilities from getting into those colors right so more actively managing it we're going push off into the aging and deterioration through a more active facility maintenance. **[02:44:30] Councilmember Dwayne Lowman:** GOOD TO HEAR. SO ALONG THOSE SAME LINES I HAD A VERY SIMILAR TYPE QUESTION AND I JUST MADE THE ASSUMPTIONHAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WERACK CAPITAL EXPENSES OR WHAT we're GOING TO DO FOR A MAINTENANCE ACROSS THE DIFFERENT BUDGETS DOING THAT. BUT IS THERE A WAY THAT CITY IS USED TO TRY TO TO TRY TO SAY HEY we CHANGE THE MODEL OF OUR STAFFING SO THAT we CAN BE MORE PROACTIVE KIND OF LIKE WHAT we SAW WITH THE FLEET PIECE we SAW CHART. IS THERE A WAY TO TO TRACK THAT? I KNOW I ASKED THIS BEFORE WHEN THAT SERVICE AGREEMENT came BEFORE us. IS THERE A WAY TO TRACK THAT SO THAT we CAN KIND OF SHOW HEY you know we changed the model of our staffing yh we may be paying a little bit more for for staffing here but in the long term here you're going to see all these benefits we had a reduction in the amount of money we have to put towards maintenance because we're being proactive. SO DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WHAT ASKING HERE? **[02:45:15] Carl (Public Works):** OKAY. AND I THINK THE SHORT ANSWER IS ABSOLUTELY YES. I MEAN I THINK WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE ACTIVE AND WELL-USED ASSET MANAGEMENT PROGRAM SIMILAR TO HOW we DO THINGS WITH WITH OUR STREETS AND OUR PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM. SO we HAVE KIND OF THE BEGINNINGS OF A VERY GOOD ASSET MANAGEMENT PROGRAM IN OUR FLEET FLEET ORATIONS THAT'S we came up WITH THESE FACILITIES INDEXES AND A GOOD INVENTORY OF WHERE we SIT WITH ALL OUR FACILITIES BUT. we ARE NOT DOING AS STRONG A JOB OF TRACKING AND PROGRAMING OUR ONGOING MAINTENANCE SO THAT we ARE AS MICHAEL HAD TALKED ABOUT BEING MORE PROACTIVE AND LESS REACTIVE. we ARE PRIMARILY IN A REACTIVE MODE CURRENTLY AND REALLY THAT IS GOING TO BE THE PRIMARY CHALLENGE OF OUR NEW FACILITIES MANAGER AND we HAVE HIRED THAT PERSON AND SHE WILL SHE WILLELP us MAKE THA TRANSITION TO A PROACTIVE ASSET MANAGER PROGRAM. **[02:46:15] Councilmember Dwayne Lowman:** WELL, I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THAT AND I HOPE THAT we ARE NOT A MILITANTLY MODEST ABOUT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE SUCCESSES THAT we SEE WITH THAT. SO I THINK THE TAXPAYERS NEED TO SEE THAT we're NOT JUST HIRING STAFF FOR THE SHEER FACT IF I HAD HEARD THAT BEFORE WERE FOLKS come BEFORE us AND SAY HEY, you know, we're just hiring people but we could then show here's you know, the benefit over over time for doing that. AND I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT SEEING I KNOW THAT FOLKS GET TOO EXCITED ABOUT THAT BUT I DO GET EXCITED ABOUT SEEING BEUSE I THINK THAT'S REALLY A WAY FOR us TO BE NOT ONLY FISCALLY SUSTAINABLE BUT ALSO IN ANOTHER WAY we're ALSO BEING SUSTAINABLE FOR THE ENVIRONMENT BY DOING THAT AS WELL BY AHEAD OF THOSE THOSE LITTLE SMALL LITTLE THINGS THEY ALL ADD up TO TOO BIG BIG SAVINGS LONG TERM. I WOULD NOTE THAT IF we ARE SUCCESSFUL IN THAT AND we FULLY INTEND TO BE THAT we SHOULD REDUCE THE LIFECYCLE COST OF OUR FACILITIES BUT we SHOULD ALSO SEE AN INCREASE IN THE SERVICE we're PROVIDING. we SHOULD THEY SHOULD BE IN BETTER CONDITION AND AND THE SERVICES WRE PROVIDING SHOULD B HIGHER IN OTHER QUESTIONS. **[02:47:15] Carl (Public Works):** COUNSEL SEEING. LET'S move ON TO THE PUBLIC WORKS GENERAL FUND. OH IT'S AN ANOTHER PRESENTATION. OKAY. GOT IT. IT comes ALL ALL RIG. SO THE PUBLIC WORKS GENERAL FUND SO THESE ARE THE THOSE PORTIONS OF PUBLIC WORKS THAT ARE NOT THE INTERNAL FUNDS THAT we've TALKED ABOUT OR THE UTILITY FUNDS THAT YOU HAD LOOKED AT AT LAST MEETING. SO IN TOTAL THIS PORTION OF OF OUR OPERATION ACCOUNTS FOR APPROXIMATELY $20 MILLION WORTH OF EXPENDITURE AND I'LL GO THROUGH EACH OF THOSE CATEGORIES KIND OF BROADLY AND THEN AFTER THAT we HAVE A NUMBER OF TOPIC AREAS THAT YOU HAVE EXPRESSED INTEREST IN THE PAST THAT WILL GO INTO A BIT MORE DETAIL. SO THEREAS we're talking about our public works administration through public works street maintenance you know i'll go through each public works administration. THIS IS THE AREA THAT PROVIDES SUPPORT TO ALL OTHER DIVISIONS WITHIN PUBLIC WORKS. IT INCLUDES KIND OF OPERATIONS LIKE ACCOUNTING AND SAFETY TRAINING ALSO INCLUDES OUR SUSTAINABILITY EFFORTS. FIVE PEOPLE ARE CURRENTLY IN THE IN THE WORKS ADMINISTRATION AREA AND we're PROPOSING AN ADDITIONAL PERSON IN SUSTAINABILITY WHICH IS PART OF THIS PROPOSAL. AND we CAN GO INTO MORE DETAIL THIS IS ONE OF THE SPECIAL TOPIC AREAS THAT we'LL TALK ABOUT A BIT MORE DETAIL IN A MOMENT. PUBLIC WORKS ADMINISTRATION IS ABOUT $767,000 ENGINEERING IS THAT PORTION OF OUR OPERATION AND THAT TAKES CARE OF THE DESIGN CONSTRUCTION AND KIND OF MEET OR ONGOING DATA ASSOCIATED WITH OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. IT MANAGES QUITE A WIDE RANGE OF INFRASTRUCTURE. IT CAL FOR 2 FULL TIME EMPLOYEES TO. THOSE EMPLOYEES USED TO BE 28. TWO OF THOSE EMPLOYEES WHICH WAS MENTIONED EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION WERE WERE GAS FOLKS THAT WERE MOVED TO. THE PROPOSED BUDGET IN 23 FOR ENGINEERING SERVICES IS $202.1 MILLION IN OUR MAINTENANCE AREA we HAVE OUR MAINTENANCE UPPER ADMINISTRATION AREA WHICH ACCOUNTS FOR NINE FULL TIME EMPLOYEES. AND THESE PROVIDE KIND OF THE OVERSIGHT FOR ALL THE OTHER OPERATIONS IN OUR MAINTENANCE DIVISION. KIND OF A BIG CHUNK. THIS IS THE OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE OF OUR STREETLIGHT SYSTEM AND THIS ACCOUNTS FOR $2.8 MILLION IN 2023. I MENTIONED BEFORE PARK MAINTENANCE IS NOW PART OF OUR GENERAL FUND up BUDGET USED TO BE PART OF THE FACILITIES FUND WAS CHARGED BACK TO PARK AND RECREATION. THIS IS AN IS AN OPERATION THAT ACCOUNTS FOR 28 FTE IS AND we're ACTUALLY PROPOSING ONE ADDITIONAL IN IN 2023 WHICH IS THE NEW NATURAL RESOURCES PARK MAINTENANCE PERSONNEL. AGAIN THIS IS TO ADDRESS KIND OF THE GROWING NEEDS AND AND REQUESTS FROM THE COMMUNITY AND FROM THE COUNCIL FOR A BIGGER ON PARK MAINTENANCE IN THE AREA OF NATURAL RESOURCES SO THIS THIS CALLS FOR $6.8 MILLION STREAM STREET MAINTENANCE THESE ARE THE ACTIVITIES. WITH OUR PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM LIKE SEAL COATING AND POTHOLE PATCHING AND THE ROUTING AND FILLING OF CRACKS ETC.. we HAVE 24 PEOPLE MOSTLY MAINTENANCE WORKERS IN OUR STREET MAINTENANCE GROUP AND THEY ACCOUNT FOR ABOUT $8 MILLION WORTH OF ACTIVITIES. I WOULD NOTE THAT THIS ALSO INCLUDES OUR STILL PLOWING EFFORTS WHICH ARE KIND OF A MAJOR SERVICE THAT we PROVIDE IN THE WINTER. THAT'S A VERY BRIEF KIND OF OVERVIEW OF THE OF THESE AREAS AND THEN we'LL move DIRECTLY INTO THE TOPIC AREAS AND we HAVE TOPIC EXPERTS THAT ARE ABLE TO TO ADDRESS IN MORE DETAIL. **[02:51:30] Dave Grayling:** DAVE GRAYLING MAYOR AND COUNCIL THANKS FOR HAVING ME TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT THESE SPECIAL TOPICS. FIRST ONE IS SIDEWALK SNOW PLOWING SO IT'LL BACKGROUND ON THE ISSUE AND AND SOME SOME FACTS AROUND IT ANYWAY. SO TIME IT SNOWS BLOOMINGTON PLOWS APPROXIMATELY 270 MILES ON SIDEWALKS AND we DO THIS WITH TEN ROUTES AND STAFFING EQUIPMENT FOR TEN ROUTES WITHIN EACH OF THOSE ROUTES OUR PRIORITY. SO THE FIRST PRIORITY WOULD BE SCHOOL WHERE STUDENTS WALKED SCHOOL. AND THEN AREAS WHERE we KNOW THERE A PEOPLE WITH MOBITY ISSUES. OUR SECOND LEVEL OF PRIORITY IS HIGH SPEED, HIGH TRAFFIC ROADS. AND THE THIRD PRIORITY LEVEL WOULD BE RESIDENTS OR SIDEWALKS IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN THE FIRST TWO PRIORITY CATEGORIES GOING FOR SNOW EVENTS CAN TAKE up TO THREE DAYS TO CLEAR. A LOT OF THE TIMES we HAVE TO GO BACK AND RE PLOW THINGS MULTIPLE TIMES THROUGHOUT THE EVENT TO GET IT SATISFACTORY. AND THIS IS UNLIKE OTHER PLOWING OPERATIONS SO MOST OF OUR OTHER PLOWING OPERATIONS ARE DONE THE SAME DAY. SO ROD PLOWING TAKES up TO THREE DAY TEN THIS LEADS TO CONFUSION FROM THE RESIDENTS AND THEY WONDER WHY MY STREET WAS PLOWED AND you know, three days later my sidewalk isn't it's further complicated in that you know, sidewalks are uneven. THEY'RE NARROW, THEY'RE WINDY AFTER A SNOWFALL. IT'S A QUITE OUT THERE AND YOU MAY OR NOT BE ABLE TO TELL WHERE THE SIDEWALK ACTUALLY IS UNDERNEATH THE. we ALSO KNOW THAT we HAVE HIGHER WORK AND COMPENSATION CLAIMS COMPARED TO OTHER SNOW PLOWING ROUTES. IT COULD BE THE ROUGHNESS OF THE TERRAIN AND THE EQUIPMENT. AND we ALSO KNOW THAT THEY SPEND LONG, LONG HOURS THESE MACHINES GETTING THROUGH THEIR ROUTES. IN OUR INITIAL BUDGET REQUEST we we PUT IN FOR $800,000 FOR FOUR NEW MACHINES AND, FOUR STAFF TO OPERATE THEM. THEY WOULD CONSIDER COINCIDED WITH ADDITIONAL STAFF FOR NATURAL RESOURCES WHICH CARL TOUCHED ON. THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL ROUTES ROUTES THAT WOULD IMPROVE OUR COMPLETION BY A FACTOR OF ABOUT 40% MAKING IT MORE IN ALIGNMENT WITH OUR OTHER PLOWING OPERATIONS AND AND CONSEQUENTLY REDUCE THE NUMBER OF HOURS THAT OPERATORS SPENT DOING THE ROUTES EACH TIME IT SNOWED. THIS IS NO LONGER IN THE BUDGET FOR THIS SOME FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS we CAN LOOK AT we COULD CONSIDER SUSPENDING ALL OR PART OF THE OPERATION AND ON THE CITY ORDINANCE THAT'S ON THE BOOKS THAT PUTS THE RESPONSIBILITY ON THE PROPERTY OWNER FOR THAT. you know if we eliminated like the third priority sidewalks that would allow us to focus more time resources on the higher priority is getting through them quicker essentially putting them where they're more needed. we COULD REVIT THAT AED AFF AND EQUIPMENT AND we're ALSO LOOKING AT ADDITIONAL SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS TO THE EQUIPMENT LIKE GPS UNITS. we're WORKING WITH ONE VENDOR NOW THAT PROVIDES us WITH A MAP AND AN ABILITY TO MARK A HAZARD SO THAT THE OPERATORS HAVE A HEADS up WHEN THEY come BACK OR SOMEBODY NEW IS ON THE ROUTE. THEY KNOW THAT IT'S THERE BURIED UNDERNEATH THE SNOW. SOME OF THAT WORK IS BEING FUNDED BY AN OCEAN SAFETY GRANT THAT we WERE AWARDED THIS YEAR AND we're CONTINUING TO TO WORK WIT THOSERODUCTS TO REFINE IT TO MAKE IT WHAT we NEEDED TO. IT'S NOT OFF THE SHELF STUFF. IT'S THINGS THAT WORKING THROUGH WITH VENDORS. SO DO we WANT TO STOP FOR QUESTIONS ON THE SIDEWALK PLOWING PORTION OF THIS JUST STEAM ON THE. **[02:55:00] Mayor Tim Busse:** WHY DON'T we IF we COULD JUST I SEE COUNCILMEMBER Robertson. **[02:55:15] Councilmember Danielle Robertson:** THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MAYOR. SO TO CLARIFY, YOU MENTIONED 270 MILES. THERE'S BEEN SOME THINKING OBVIOUSLY IN TERMS OF THE POPULATIONS THAT THOSE SIDEWALKS ARE SERVING AND WHY THOSE HAVE BEEN PRIORITIZED TO THISOINT. OKAY. SO MOVING FORWARD, I GUESS I WOULD BE CURIOUS AS we NARROW IN ON LEVEL OF SERVICE CATEGORIZATIONS OF THOSE POPULATIONS. I JUST THINK OF IT FROM AN EQUITY PERSPECTIVE THAT FOLKS THAT ARE DEPENDENT ON TRANSIT NEED TO WALK THOSE SIDEWALKS IS WHATEVER MAY BE JUST SO ONCE ONCE we HAVE A RECOMMENDATION SAY REDUCED MILES OF SERVICE BUT HIGHER QUALITY IN CERTAIN AREAS WHAT POPULATIONS we're TRYING TO BE MOST EFFECTIVE FOR WOULD BE HELPFUL. **[02:55:45] Dave Grayling:** ME. OKAY. CUSTOMERS COUNCILMEMBER Robertson we HAVE NOT CONSIDERED THAT we HAVE SIMPLY LOOKED AT SERVING YOUTH, WALKING TO SCHOOLS AND THEN WHERE we KNOW we HAVE CONCENTRATIONS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE MORBIDLY CHALLENGED. SO IN THE FUTURE we WOULD DO THAT. AND SO OF 270 THAT'S THE TWO CRITERIA we'RE OPERATING OFF OF RIGHT NOW FOR THE FOR THE FIRST PRIORITY FOR THE HIGHEST LEVEL PRIORITY. **[02:56:00] Councilmember Danielle Robertson:** OKAY. AND THEN we we TYPICALLY LOOK AT HIGHER TRAFFIC ROADS WHERE we DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO BE TEMPTED TO WALK IN THE ROAD BECAUSE IT IS A PLOWED. SO we TRY AND GETO THOSE AS QUICKLY AS we CAN AFTER we've MADE THE THE FIRST PRIORITY ALL WALKABLE. OKAY. THAT'S HELPFUL. THANK YOU. **[02:56:15] Councilmember Jenna Carter:** THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO CAN YOU JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY we DON'T ENFORCE OUR ORDINANCE CURRENTLY? I GUESS I'M JUST KIND OF INTERESTED IN THE HISTORY AND I WOULD MY UNDERSTANDING THEN IS THAT THAT'S KIND OF THE THIRD TIER THIRD PRIORITY WHICH IS MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL STREETS. **[02:56:30] Carl (Public Works):** SURE. I'LL TAKE THE MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER CARTER. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. WHY we we HAVE WHY DO THAT? we ARE BUT I CAN TELL YOU we ALWAYS HAVE I MET MR. KING ON THOSE I DON'T KNOW IF DEFINITIVELY BUT MY IS THAT TYPICALLY WHEN we WERE TALKING ABOUT CONSTRUCTING PATHWAYS AND SIDEWALKS PEOPLE WERE GENERALLY HAPPY ABOUT HAVING THEM BUILT IN THE FIRST PLACE AND AS AN ACCOMMODATION AND TO THAT THE COUNCIL SAID WELL we'LL TAKE CARE OF MAINTENANCE OF THEM SO YOU WON'T HAVE TO WORRY WITH THAT. AND IT WAS SORT OF PART OF THE SALES OF THOSE INITIAL FACILITIES AND IT became A PRACTICE. SO NOW IT IS JUST A FAIRLY WELL-ESTABLISHED PRACTICE. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CARL. **[02:57:30] Councilmember Lona Dallessandro:** THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO I GUESS I'M ASSUMING THAT THESE FUTURE DECISIONS GOING TO come DOWN THE PE FOR us D IN A FUTURE MEETING AS PART OF WHETHER OR NOT we WANT TO FUND THE ONGOING CONCERN OF SNOWPLOW MAINTENANCE. IS THAT THE IDEA HERE? A YES COUNCILMEMBER YES, I THINK THAT'S IDEA. I THINK THEY'VE THEY'VE TAKEN IT OUT OF THE BUDGET FOR NOW BUT THEN IT becomes A COUNCIL DISCUSSION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT'S PRIORITY A PRIORITY ENOUGH TO PUT BACK IN. RIGHT. OKAY. SO THE ONLY QUESTION THAT I WOULD I'D ASK THEN IS PART OF LIKE PART OF THAT CONVERSATION IS TO UNDERSTAND E IMPACT OF OUR DECISION ON WHAT'S ALSO SUPPOSED TO BE coming BACK WHICH IS, your know, our active transportation plan and our and all of those things like how do they go? SO IF ON ONE HAND we're ADDING MORE SIDEWALKS AND ON THE OTHER HAND we're SAYING we're NOT GOING TO MAINTAIN THEM FROM A SNOWPLOW PERSPECTIVE, your know, what does that look like? AND THEN I DON'T KNOW IF comes TOGETHER RELATED TO THE INCREASE IN BIKE PATHS AND OTHER THINGS we're ALSO CONSIDERING. BUT I'D LIKE TO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CAN BE MORE COMPREHENSIVELY LOOKED AT BUT I'D HATE T MAKE THIS DISION AND THEN HAVE HAVE IT ADVERSELY AFFECT us IN THE your know, in a way that makes sense because we didn't have all of that information at one time. **[02:58:30] Zach Walker:** THAT DOES MAKE SENSE AND THAT'S A GOOD POINT. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. COUNCILMEMBER D'ALESSANDRO, YOU WILL RECALL THAT YOU FUNDED THROUGH SPECIAL PRIORITIES STRATEGIC PRIORITIES THIS YEAR THE FUNDING OF THAT OUR ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION STUDY AND INCLUDED IN THE SCOPE OF THAT IS AN ANALYSIS OF EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING. **[02:58:45] Councilmember Dwayne Lowman:** L'S REMEMBER. I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT I TO BE A KIND OF SOMETHING SOMETHING OLD IS NEW AGAIN IT'S KIND OF FUNNY TO SEE THIS WHOLE THING BACK HERE THAT THAT WAS KIND OF SMIRKING LOOKING AT YOU IS THAT I REMEMBER we LOOKED AT THIS BEFORE AND I'LL BE I'LL BE CURIOUS TO SEE HOW THIS COUNCIL LOOKS AT IT SO I DON'T WANT TO I DON'T WANT TO PREJUDICE INTERVIEWS OF IT BUT I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING TO SEE THIS BACK AGAIN. SO we'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS AND we'LL move ON TO NATURAL RESOURCES. **[02:59:15] Renee Clark:** WELL, THANK YOU THIS. ZADAN MENTIONED TONIGHT A COUPLE TIMES BUT THE PARK SYSTEM MASTERPLAN INDICATED FROM MUCH FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY A DESIRE FOR ENHANCED NATURAL RESOURCES OPPORTUNITY TO USE AND CONDITION THROUGHOUT BLOOMINGTON AND IN PARKS AND AS CARL JUST MENTIONED, STAFF HAS BEEN REALIGNED TO ALLOW SOMEBODY TO FOCUS MORE ON THAT AND THAT'S PARTLY ME AND MANAGE NATURAL RESOURCES WITH MORE OF MY TIME. CURRENTLY we MAINTAIN 132 ACRES THAT we've ALREADY RESTORED SOME GOING BACK DECADES OF PRAIRIE AND 42 ACRES OF WOODLAND THAT'S DOWN ALONG THE BLUFF we HAVE REDUCED A PROGRAM FOR REDUCED FREQUENCY MOWING AND STILL ON 24 ACRES OF OF TURF AND THIS IS REALLY ALL ABOUT CONVERTING CONVENTIONAL TURF GRASS TO NATIVE PRAIRIE WHERE IT MAKES SENSE AND WHERE we CAN DO IT AS WELL AS POSSIBLE IN PARKS SOME OF OUR NEXT STEPS FOR NATURAL RESOURCES we've TALKED TO A MONTH AGO ABOUT THE NEED TO PLAN IT'S TO BEGIN IMPLEMENTING THAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE THE SAME TO COVER THE NINE PRIORITY PARKS FOR RESTORATION AND MAINTENANCE FOR 20 YEARS IS JUST UNDER $4 MILLION AND THEN BLOOMINGTON HAS THE OPPORTUNITY OF RESTORING ROUGHLY 2300 ACRES THROUGHOUT CITY. THIS WOULD BE IN THE RIVER VALLEY AND OUT OF THE RIVER VALLEY. ADDITIONAL NEXT STEPS IN THIS TALKS ABOUT WHAT we HAVE FOR FUNDING RIGHT NOW SO we're BEGINNING TO USE THE $350,000 OF MIDYEAR STRATEGIC MONEY APPLYING THAT TO A PROJECT THAT AT MOYER AND BUSH LAKE IN CENTRAL PARK we HAVE $500,000 WORTH OF AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN FUNDS AVAILABLE FOR NATURAL RESOURCES IF we CHOOSE TO USE IT ON ONE OF THESE PROJECTS ARE DIRECTED TOWARDS ONE OF THE PARK PROJECTS THAT IS ON THE WAY AND THEN we're ALSO SEEKING GRANT FUNDS FROM OUTSIDE SOURCES. A MONTH AGO we TALKED ABOUT APPLYING FOR THE CONSERVATION PARTNERS LEGACY GRANT THROUGH THE DNR OF $250,000 TO DO WORK IN THE RIVER VALLEY AND THEN THE CURRENT BUDGET THAT we're talking about today still does include one part maintenance staff to focus on natural resources with council questions on natural resources. **[03:01:45] Councilmember Lona Dallessandro:** THANK YOU, MAYOR. SURPRISED? THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION. SO JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK CLARIFICATIONS. THE FIRST ONE BEING THAT WITH THE ANNOUNCEMENT FROM MR. EARLIER THAT we DO HAVE IN FACT A FULL TIME FACILITIES PERSON coming ON NEXT WEEK. I'M ASSUMING THAT T SHIFT we EXPECTED TO SEE BETWEEN YOU BEING PART TIME IN THIS ROLE TO BEING MORE FULL TIME WILL ALSO HAPPEN. IS THAT A FAIR CHARACTERIZATION? **[03:02:15] Renee Clark:** MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER D'ALESSANDRO YES THAT WILL FREE ME up PROBABLY CLOSE TO HALF MY TIME TO FOCUS ON PARK MAINTENANCE AND NATURAL RESOURCES. OKAY. THAT IS GOOD NEWS. AND THEN THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL NATURAL RESOURCES PERSON IN IN THE HERE AT THIS TIME. OKAY GREAT. SO THEN THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION THAT I ASK IS WHAT WOULD A WHAT I HAVE FOUN THROUGH FOLKS COMMUNICATION WITH THE CITY IS THAT THE THE NATURAL RESOURCES PLAN DID A GOOD JOB OF LAYING OUT THE SPECIFICS AROUND THE you know, 132 plus 24 plus the other acreages we've got in those over 20 years. WHAT I WHAT I THINK IS A STRUGGLE STILL FOR SOME FOLKS IS TO RECONCILE WHAT'S HAPPENING IN PARKS THEMSELVES THAT ARE NATURAL RESOURCES ORIENTED. AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT YOU CAN GO IN TO A PARK A SPECIFIC PLAN FOR NATURAL RESOURCES, your know, restoration right. BUT ALSO AS PART OF WORKING IN A PARK YOU CAN BE IN MUCH INCREMENTS KIND OF WORKING THROUGH, your know, buckthorn removal and invasive species and all these other things. I'M WONDERING IF we CAN TRY TO HIGHLIGHT OF THAT AS we come BACK AND LOOK AT THE FINAL BUDGETS TO BE SURE THAT we HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND REGARDLESS OF WHERE IT IS THE BUDGET WHAT THE TOTAL IMPACT OF OF OF THE 2023 BUDGET IS AS IT RELATES TO NATURAL RESOURCES MANAGEMENT. IT'S JUST HARD FOR ME TO GRASP AND IF IT'S HARD ME TO GRASP AND I'M KIND OF PAYING ATTENTION, your know, then then i know that it'll be more difficult for other folks and i don't think that the natural plan that you laid out for us earlier this year which is great necessarily captures all of that and i would hate for that to be the place that people looking and going oh that's what you're spending when in fact it's more comprehensive. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? OKAY. I APPRECIATET. THANK YOU. **[03:03:45] Mayor Tim Busse:** THANK YOU. ANYTHING ADDITIONAL AND NATURAL RESOURCES ON TO SUSTAINABILITY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. **[03:04:00] Emma Struss:** GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY AND SPECIFICALLY CLIMATE CHANGE. SO BLOOMINGTON ALONG WITH THE REST OF WORLD IS FACING MANY PROBLEMS RELATED TO CLIMATE CHANGE WHICH COUNCIL EARLIER THIS YEAR WITH PASSING THE AND RECOGNIZING CLITE CRISIS. THERE'S THREE MAIN PROBLEMS THAT THE IS FACING. THE FIRST IS we're GETTING HOTTER SUMMERS SO WEEK LONG PERIODS ABOVE 90 you know upper nineties we know that many residents don't have air conditioning. IT'S A HEALTH THAT PEOPLE ARE FACING THAT we DON'T HAVE CONDITIONS FOR THESE RESIDENTS. we ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT WITH THOSE TEMPERATURES we're ALSO FACING FOREST FIRES AND AIR ISSUES. SO THE AIR THAT we BREATHE IT HAS PROBLEMS FOR RESIDENTS. AND THE ALSO we RECOGNIZE THAT AIR CONDITIONING TAKES ENERGY AND IT'S A GREATER DEMAND ON OUR GRID AND POWER OUTAGES. LOOKING INCREASES OF POWERS NOT ONLY ARE OUR SUMMERS GETTING WARMER BUT OUR WINTERS ARE GETTING WARMER WHICH I KNOW SOME OF YOU MIGHT BE LIKE YES, THAT'S GREAT BUT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT WHEN we're GOING ABOVE BELOW 32 DEGREES THAT MEANS FREEZE AND THAW AND. THAT MEANS ICE AND THAT MEANS WHEN YOU'RE WALKING ON SIDEWALKS WITH ICE, MORE FALLS FOR RESIDENTS WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO DRIVE TO WORK ON ROAD WITH ICE THAT'S MORE CRASHES AND THEN ALSO GETTING TO THE POWER LINES WHEN YOU HAVE ICE AND POWER LINES THAT'S MORE POWER OUTAGES. we KNOW IF THE POWER WENT OUT RIGHT NOW THINGS WOULD STOP RIGHT. SO REALLY AFFECTING THE ECONOMY AND JUST PEOPLE WERE ABLE GO ABOUT THEIR DAILY BUSINESS AND THEN ALONG WITH THINGS GETTING WARMER IT'S GETTING WETTER AND ALTHOUGH THAT SEEM A LITTLE OFF BECAUSE we're IN A DROUGHT RIGHT NOW AND WHEN we DO RAIN IT'LL BE EXTREME RAIN EVENTS AND we KNOW WHEN we GET A LOT OF WATER AT ONCE THAT'S CAUSING MOVING WATER AND FLOODS WHICH HAS HUGE INFRASTRUCTURE PROBLEMS AND IS COSTLY AND ALSO CAUSES PROBLEMS LIKE MOLD WHICH HAS HEALTH IMPACTS AS WELL. SO THESE ARE JUST A SUMMARY OF SOME OF THE PROBLEMS FACING THE COMMUNITY BUT RECOGNIZING THAT CLIMATE CHANGE IS AFFECTING EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS IN THE COMMUNITY AND IS BRINGING PROBLEMS THAT ARE COSTLY AND REALLY IMPACT THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF EVERYONE SO we KNOW WHAT we NEED TO DO. I've comend talked about it before. ENERGY EFFICIENCY ELECTRIFY OUR BUILDINGS use RENEWABLE ENERGY ELECTRIFY TRANSPORTATION. LOOK AT AUTO MULTIPLE OPTIONS FOR GETTING AROUND WHETHER THAT'S BIKE OR TRANSIT WALK POWERED SCOOTERS. ALL OF THESE THINGS TAKE COORDINATION AND THEY TAKE RESOURCES INFRASTRUCTURE TO BUILD TO HAVE THOSE BEHAVIOR CHANGE AND we THAT we ARE WORKING UNDER A SHORT TIMELINE we HAVE TO MAKE STRIDES WITHIN THIS DECADE TO AVOID THE WORST OF THE PROBLEMS BH HERE LOCALLY AND GLOBALLY TO BE ABLE TO REALLY PROTECT OUR WELL-BEING. **[03:07:00] Emma Struss:** SO we KNOW WITH THE SUSTAINABILITY COORDINATOR THAT WAS CREATED BACK IN 2019 we've BEEN ABLE TO DO A LOT MORE IN TERMS OF REACHING THE CLIMATE GOALS AND THE ENERGY ACTION PLAN GOALS OF THE CITY. BUT we ALSO KNOW THAT we ARE NOT MOVING AT ALL NEAR THE PACE THAT COUNCILORS RECOMMENDED WITH THE ENERGY ACTION PLAN AND THEN ALSO THE AGREEMENT TO WORK TOWARDS WHAT'S OUTLINED IN THE PARIS ACCORD. we KNOW THAT THERE'S RESOURCES BEING LEFT ON TABLE RIGHT NOW THAT COULD BE BENEFITING RESIDENTS THAT we JUST DON'T HAVE CAPACITY TO BE ABLE TO CONNECT PEOPLE WITH EXISTING. AND we ALSO KNOW THAT THERE ARE GREAT OPPORTUNITIES FORWARD WITH BOTH STATE AND FEDERAL FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES THAT we WILL BE ABLE TO REALLY LEVERAGE AND GET DONE THE WORK THAT we KNOW THAT we NEED TO GET DONE. SO I'LL WALK THROUGH TWO QUICK EXAMPLES OF THAT. RIGHT NOW FOR RESIDENTIAL ENERGY TWO STATE PROGRAMS THE ENERGY ASSISTANCE PROGRAM AND THE WEATHERIZATION ASSISTANCE PROGRAM COMBINE IN PER HOUSEHOLD THEY'RE ESTIMATED TO HAVE ABOUT $20,000 WORTH OF BENEFITS. SO THAT'S A LOT LESS STAYS MISSED FROM WORK WITH IMPROVED AIR QUALITY. THAT'S LOOKING AT SAVING ON YOUR ENERGY BILLS. THAT'S GETTING YOUR HOUSE INSULATED, PAYING FOR THOSE CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS. RIGHT NOW we HAVE HEARD LAST YEAR THROUGH LISTENING SESSIONS AND ENGAGING WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND we KNOW THE APPLICATIONS FOR THOSE ARE VERY DIFFICULT TO WORK THROUGH THERE. THESE FUNDS EXIST BUT THEIR MANY RESIDENTS QUALIFY FOR THEM AND DON'T KNOW ABOUT THEM. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW IN THE STAR TRIB THIS WEEKEND BUT 18% INCREASE IN HEATING BILLS THIS YEAR AND we SEE FROM A HOUSING AFFORDABILITY PERSPECTIVE AS THAT'S we're FACING THAT. SO OVER ABLE TO GET 100 MORE HOUSEHOLDS EACH YEAR INTO THESE PROGRAMS THAT'S $2 MILLION THAT'S GOING TO BENEFIT THE LIVES OF RESIDENTS AND ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO ARE MOST VULNERABLE TO THESE CLIMATE CHANGES AND THEN NEXT upCOMING FOR LITTLE GRANT OPPORTUNITY IS WHICH I'M MOST EXCITED ABOUT. THESE ARE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT ARE AT OUR FOOTSTEPS AND REALLY ALREADY HAPPENING. we CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE THE STAFF CAPACITY TO BE ABLE TO APPLY TO THE GRANTS AND BE COMPETITIVE AND SAY IF we GET THESE FUNDS we ARE ABLE T IMPLEMENT THE AND CARRY OUT PROGRAMS AND use THEM WISELY THERE'S THE BIPARTISAN INFRASTRUCTURE LAW AND THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY CONSERVATION BLOCK GRANT PROGRAM THAT'S FOCUSED ON LOCAL GOVERNMENT. ALL THOSE ACTIONS we've TALKED FOR YEARS THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THIS FUNDING IS FOR AND. we ALSO HAVE THE INFLATION REDUCTION ACT THAT'S $369 BILLION AND FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENT SPECIFICALLY THERE'S OVER TEN PROGRAMS THAT DIRECTLY ARE RELATED TO REDUCING EMISSIONS IN TRANSPORTATION SECTOR ENERGY SECTOR. LOOKING AT EQUITY IN RESILIENCE AND COMMUNITIES ALL OF THIS MONEY ALREADY STARTING TO come OUT AND we NOW WITH THE ENERGY EICIENCY BLOCK GRANTS THAT'S LOOKING AT Q1 OF NEXT YEAR WHICH I'VE ALREADY STARTED LOOKING INTO. BUT we KNOW WITH THESE OPPORTUNITIES THERE'S THIS WINDOW IT'S AMAZING THAT we HAVE THEM BUT IF we DON'T HAVE STAFF TO REALLY LEVERAGE RIGHT NOW we're LOSING POTENTIALLY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT CAN FUND ALL THIS WORK WHICH we KNOW WILL COST MONEY TO GET BUSINESSES RETROFITTED TO GET RENEWABLE, TO LOOK INTO TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVES. **[03:10:30] Emma Struss:** SO THE ASSETS RIGHT NOW IN THE BUDGET IS TO LOOK AT AN ADDITIONAL STAFF MEMBER THAT CAN REALLY HELP WITH THE OUTREACH ENGAGEMENT THAT'S NEEDED, CONNECT PEOPLE NOT ONLY TO THE EXISTING RESOURCES AND REALLY HAVE THAT EYE TOWARDS EQUITY AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WHICH we've STARTED TO BUT JUST DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO CARRY OUT AND THEN THAT WOULD FREE up TIME. ALSO WITH THE CURRENT SUSTAINABILITY POSITION TO REALLY GO AFTER THAT GRANT FUNDING TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT CONTINUED WORK AND THEN BE ABLE TO DEVELOP MORE PROGRAMS AND WORK WITH COMMUNITY PARTNERS REACH THOSE GOALS THAT ARE OUTLINED IN THE ENERGY ACTION PLAN. AND WITH THAT, ANYUESTIONS? **[03:11:15] Councilmember Danielle Robertson:** THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. JUST REAL BRIEFLY I WAS SAVING THE QUESTION FOR NOW BUT MAYBE IT WAS BETTER THAN THAT IT PRESENTATION I GUESS JUST A REMINDER we've TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE BUT. I'M WONDERING IN OUR LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES HOW SOME OF THESE ITEMS ALL THE CITIES THAT are using SYSTEMS LIKE AXON I've got to imagine if the state negotiating that contract they might have some more weight to throw around with something like that but especially with the amount of evidence that we're processing now not only from a staff but the data storage itself whether whatever cloud systems we're using or so I wonder down the line if we could get more information just about are there states out there that are negotiating this on behalf municipalities because I could imagine we could drive down cost quite a bit if it was for my way. **[03:12:00] Zach Walker:** MR. MAYOR, COUNCILMEMBERS COUNCILMEMBER MIKE MARTIN MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE AXON IS ON THE STATE CONTRACT BUT THERE'S A IR AMOUNT OF CUSTOMIZATION THAT GOES ON FROM ONE AGENCY TO ANOTHER WHICH IS, your know ,of the issue that we had to work through earlier this year as we're shooting that agreement is trying to figure out exactly what are the different elements of the body camera and then as the chief mentioned earlier, your know, the the fact that you get tasers as part of it and other equipment that goes with it. SO IT'S IT'S JUST A STRAIGHTFORWARD ISSUE OF WHETHER IT'S JUST A SIMPLE CONTRACT AMOUNT. THERE'S A LOT MORE DISTINCTION BETWEEN DIFFERENT AGENCIES. YEAH. I MEAN REMEMBER ZELLA we BUILD OUR INTEGRATIONS AROUND AROUND THAT HOW IT'SN TO us THE DATA AND SO WHENEVER know the police department talks about tweaking something we sort of like freak out like just spent all this money on this integration so we have to be mindful sort of the ripple effects because we all are synched up literally, your know, through the technology now let's remember RIVAS and RIVAS. REMEMBER D'ALESSANDRO COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS. **[03:12:45] Councilmember Victor Rivas:** THANK YOU MAYOR. I'LL BE QUICK I'M JUST I'M IN THE FIVE YEARS I've BEEN ON THE COUNCIL NOW I've NOTICED IT FEELS LIKE A PRETTY CONSISTENT PATTERN THAT we're talking about capacity issues when it comes to our legal staff whether it's data practices act requests or processing evidence or contracts or whatever it is. AND I THINK FROM MY PERSPECTIVE IT MAY BE TIM FOR us TO JUST HAVE A LARGER CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT STAFF CAPACITY LOOKS LIKE IN THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND HOW we ARE ADDRESSING THAT PERHAPS A MORE SORT OF FULSOME WAY BEYOND EVERY YEAR we HEAR ABOUT IT DURING BUDGET DECISIONS AND WHAT IS SORT OF OVERARCHING PLAN TO ADDRESS BECAUSE I MEAN, your know to borrow your the city attorney's i mean o staff wanto take vacations and they to do all those things that your know, people do and i'm i'm very concerned i mean i'm concerned about burnout for all of our staff but in particular i'm very concerned about burnout for our legal staff and i just want to make sure that we are addressing that that what seems to be a recurring issue in a more sort of intentional way. I APPRECIATE THAT we WORKED A LOT THIS SO THAT'S PARTICULARLY RELEVANT SO THANK YOU. **[03:13:30] Councilmember Lona Dallessandro:** THANK YOU. QUICK AS I MENTIONED I DO YOU DON'T HAVE I'M GOING TO ASSUME I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION BUT I DON'T WANT TO YOU CAN'T DO PRO BONO AS ATTORNEYS RIGHT NOW? RIGHT. **[03:13:45] Melissa Manderschied:** MAYOR MEMBERS I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE SAYING MEANING I know that generally speaking from both an ethical and kind of a professional perspective pro bono work is something that your know attorneys generally are encouraged to do. BUT I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE VERY HARD FOR YOU ALL TO BE FINING FINE FINDING TIME TO DO THAT MANY I CAN'T SPEAK FOR MY COLLEAGUES I know that several of them do p bonowork I do pro bono work I, I volunteer with the domestic abuse law center and Ramsey County and I I'm pretty sure that others do stuff too. SO ON TOP OF ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING HERE, YOU'RE TO DO THAT TOO. WHICH IS REALLY MY POINT IS TO UNDERSCORE IT'S IT'S ACTUALLY REAL IMPORTANT A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE THAT LAWYERS ARE ABLE TO DO THAT AS PART THEIR ETHICAL PRACTICES AND EVERYTHING. AND SO I WOULD ONLY UNDERSCORE IN COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS'S POINT THAT we SHOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE HOLISTICALLY AND SO I SUPPORT THAT QUESTION FOR YOU ABOUT THE OUTCOMES RESEARCH PORTION HERE. YOU MENTIONED THAT THAT THAT we WOULD we're LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENT I GUESS DIFFERENT DEMOGRAPHICS AND EVERYTHING THAT IS THE IS INFORMATION ABOUT THE SUCCESS OF THE RESTORATIVE COURT AND AND DIVERSION PROGRAMS. WAS IT INTENDED THAT THAT WOULD GO IN THERE MAYBE EVEN BEFORE THE FED DECIDED NOT TO HELP YOU ANYMORE BUT WAS WAS THAT PART OF THE INTTION AT THE TIME MANY REMEMBER we WERE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT FEDERAL RESERVE RESEARCH BEFORE THEN SO LIKE YOU'RE PROBABLY TWO YEARS AGO TWO YEARS AGO we WANTED TO LAUNCH IT FRANKLY GETTING THE DATA TO DO THE RESEARCH IS REALLY CHALLENGING IN THAT we WANT SELF-REPORTED DATA NOT EDUCATED GUESSES OR your know that sort of thing. SO SO GETTING THAT DATA TRICKY AND THERE ARE LIMITED OF AT DA BUT THEN we WANTED TO ALSO LOOK AT ALL SORT OF TYPES OF THE WORK THAT we DO. SO NOT JUST THE PROSECUTION BUT ALSO THE CIVIL WORK AND IN FIGURING OUT HOW TO TECHNICALLY DO THAT AND TO CAPTURE THAT THAT DEMOGRAPHIC DATA HAS BEEN TRICKY BUT. BUT we ALSO LEARNED THAT we DON'T THINK ANYBODY ELSE IS DOING IT SO we REALLY, REALLY, REALLY WANT TO DO IT. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF FRANKLY TIMING FINDING THE TIME TO SET UP ALL THE CONVERSATIONS TO GET IT GOING AND ALSO THAT SO I'M VERY MUCH LOOKING FORWARD TO AS PROGRAM CONTINUES us LOOKING AT OUTCOME BASED INFORMATION ON THOSE TWO PROGRAMS AS WELL ANYTHING THAT'S NOT INCLUDED YEAH AND SO PART OF THE DATA COLLECTION ISN'T IT WENDY THE DEMOGRAPHIC DATA ON RESTORATIVE COURT AND DIVERSION. YEAH, YEAH we're COLLECTING IT THERE. OKAY GREAT. YEAH. THANK YOU. **[03:16:45] Councilmember Victor Rivas:** THE LAST THINGS YOU SAY IS JUST A THOUGHT BETWEEN THE FACT THAT we ARE VERY CLOSE TO THE ORANGE LINE AS IS DOWNTOWN. DOWNTOWN MAYBE IF we COULD FIGURE OUT A WAY FOR YOU ALL TO GET BUS PASSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND YOU GUYS COULD BACK AND FORTH AS OPPOSEDO BEG FROM HEREHAT WOULD BE AMAZING. BUT I ALSO OUT THAT MAYBE YOU COULD GET A PARKING SPACE ON A MOSLEY CONTRACT AND JUST SHARE THE SO JUST SOME THINGS TO THROW OUT THERE'S IDEAS MAYOR MEMBERS we DID USED TO HAVE A PARKING PASS we we used we shared it we had two spots and four people shared it and five people shared it and so we we have done that I can i'm happy to talk to you about that more online or offline and we do have members are prosecutors that take public transit from there okay not necessarily from here but we have folks that do that give us some ideas. THANK YOU. YOU'RE LIKE ANYTHING ELSE FROM HIS MENTIONED IF NOT THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THAT WRAPS up OUR BUDGET DISCUSSIONS FOR THIS EVENING. THANKS TO ALL THE STAFF WHO PROVIDED INFORMATION AND DETAIL ON THAT DETAILED AND GOOD STUFF. IT'S I THINK YOU FOLKS WOULD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BUDGETS AND THE BUDGET QUESTIONS coming up. ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS WATCH THIS IN COULD UNDERSTAND QUITE A BIT we'LL move ON ITEM 5.6 OR CITY COUNCIL POLICY AND ISSUE UPDATE MR. WALKER. **[03:17:30] Zach Walker:** THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS TWO ITEMS I WANTED TO SHARE WITH THE COUNCIL THIS EVENING. FIRST, THE CITY STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING WITH OUR COLLEAGUES AT THE COUNTY ESPECIALLY THE FOLKS AT THE COUNTY WHO ARE WORKING WITH FAMILIES EXPERIENCING HOUSING INSTABILITY SINCE JUNE OF THIS YEAR THEY HAVE BEEN EXPERIENCING QUITE AN UPTICK IN TERMS OF THE NBERS OF FAMILIES TT ARE REQUIRING SHELTERING SERVICES AND THEN RECENTLY THAT UPTICK WAS EXACERBATED BY FACT THAT THEY HAD A FACILITY WITH MAINTENANCE ISSUES THAT WENT DOWN. SO THEY HAVE A PLACEMENT PROBLEM TO COUNTY APPROACH CITY THEY LET THEM KNOW THAT THEY HAD THIS AND LET us KNOW THAT THEY HAD THIS NEED HAD ALREADY TALKED TO THE HOLIDAY INN AT 94TH AND 35 W WHICH YOU'LL RECALL COUNTY HAD PREVIOUSLY CONTRACTED WITH THAT HEL FOR SHELTERG DURING THE PANDEMIC AND WANTED TO LET us KNOW THAT THEY WERE INTERESTED IN using THAT FACILITY OUR STAFF TALKED TO THEM ABOUT JUST GETTING SOME CERTAIN ASSURANCES ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THERE WAS APPROPRIATE SAFETY PLANNING IN PLACE AND MANAGEMENT. SO HERE'S WHAT we're LOOKING AT IS THAT THE FAMILY THAT ARE BEING SERVED TEND TO BE SINGLE PARENTS WITH YOUNGER CHILDREN . THEY ARE NOT BEING HOUSED IT TRULY IS A SHELTER SO IT'S TEMPORARY AND THEY DON'T EXPECT THAT ANY OF THE WILL BE IN THE IN THE FACILITY FOR MORE THAN 29 DAYS THEY WILL BE PROVIDING ON SITE SUPERVISION 24 HOURS. THEY ALSO HAVE ONSITE SERVICES THAT ARE GOING TO BE PROVIDED INCLUDING CONGREGATE DINING WHICH THEY ARE PROVIDING AND THEN THEY ALSO HAVE CONTRACTED SECURITY THAT WILL BE THERE AT ALL TIMES TO CLIENTS ARE ALSO REQUIRED TO SIGN A CODE OF CONDUCT AND your know if they fail abide by that then they're they're terminated the services that are being provided so we to make sure that the county had a good working for what their need is right now we expect it's going to be somewhere between 50 to 100 family units at any one time in the hotel and they've told us that maximum amount of time that they plan t be there is for about six months. SO I THINK THAT OUR PUBLIC SAFETY STAFF WILL BE IN TOUCH WITH THEIRS. IF YOU'LL RECALL BACK DURING THE PANDEMIC WHEN THEY WERE OPERATING IT THEY HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A ROCKY START BUT AFTER THEY PUT THOSE SAME IN PLACE we HAD VERY FEW ISSUES THERE AND SO I THINK we're PRETTY CONFIDENT HERE THAT THE COUNTY HAS RUN A GOOD OPERATION AND AND you know, we to try to provide for what their needs are especially in a time of crisis. **[03:20:15] Mayor Tim Busse:** THAT'S ONE ITEM. ANY QUESTIONS THERE? I WOULD JUST ECHO WHAT YOU JUST SAID THERE. THE THE COUNTY AFTER THE ROCKY START HAD HAD A GOOD RUN. THEY UNDERSTOOD OUR CONCERNS, THINK THEY UNDERSTOOD WHAT THE WHAT we WERE HEARING FROM THE RESIDENTS OF BLOOMINGTON AND WHAT ARE OUR PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERNS WHAT OUR SOCIAL WELFARE CONCERNS WERE AND REACTED ACCORDINGLY. AND SO BASED ON LESSONS LEARNED FROM PART AND FRANKLY LESSONS LEARNED FROM OUR PART ABOUT WHAT TO THE WHAT CONVERSATIONS TO HAVE BEFORE we moved ON IN THIS PROCESS LIKE THIS I'M CONFIDENT I'M MUCH MORE CONFIDENTBOUT A SUCCESSFUL OUTCOME FOR THIS AND FRANKLY I AS we HEAD INTO INTO NOVEMBER HERE AND WHERE IF THEY HAVE HOUSING ISSUES WITH WITH SOME OF THEIR TRANSITIONAL HOUSING IF THE OPTIONS ARE TO NOT DO THIS OR TO DO THIS FOR SINGLE MOTHERS WITH WITH YOUNG CHILDREN AND I MY SENSE IS we DO THIS AND we SUPPORT THEM IN BEST WAY THAT we CAN HOLDING THEM ACCOUNTABLE AND MAKING SURE THAT THE THINGS THAT we've LAID OUT ARE MET, THE REQUIREMENTS THAT we'VE PUT BEFORE THEM ARE NOT THEN EY'RE NOT JT LOOKED OVER OR SHUNTED ASIDE BUT THEY ARE ACTUALLY MET AND I THINK THEN I'M VERY COMFORTABLE THAT we're GOING HAVE A POSITIVE OUTCOME FOR ALL OF THIS UNTIL ANY QUESTIONS OR ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THAT COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN. **[03:21:45] Councilmember Dwayne Lowman:** SO IT'S JUST ONE ONE THOUGHT THAT CROSSED MY MIND SO THEN THAT THE HOTEL ITSELF WOULD THAT THE WOULDN'T BE ACCESSIBLE BY THE GENERAL PUBLIC DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME AT ALL WOULD IT OR I, I FORGOT TO ASK THAT QUESTION COUNCILMEMBER SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE MAINTAINING IT ONLY FOR THE COUNTY'M IN THE ONL THE ONLY CONCERN I HAD WITH THAT WAS JUST your know, i just your know, trafficking those kind of things. **[03:22:15] Zach Walker:** YEAH ACTUALLY CITY ATTORNEY REMINDED THAT YEAH. THEIR PLAN IS TO HAVE IT EXCLUSIVELY FOR THE COUNTY'S RESCUE SO THEY KNOW AND I DEFINITELY THANK SECRETARY MR. FOR THE SECOND ITEM IS JUST THE PROCESS ANNOUNCEMENT THAT THEY SHARED WITH THE COUNCIL THE WAS SHARED WITH THE COMMUNITY TOO you know a couple of weeks ago we the delegation from the bureau of international expositions here in Bloomington and Minnesota a Washington DC to evaluate the Expo 2027 application last Friday the BIY announced that were advancing the Minnesota U.S. proposal along with the other four applicants for consideration and by the full general assembly. SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS THEY HAVE FOUND OUR APPLICATION TO BE VIABLE AND CONSISTENT WITH THE BID RULES AND ARE MOVING IT FORWARD FOR CONSIDERATION AND THE NEXT STEP AND THINK IT'SMPORTANT TO NOT IT'S THE FIRST TIME IN 40 YEARS SINCE THE UNITED STATES HAS TAKEN THE STEP IN A WORLD EXPO BID. SO IT'S IT'S BIG NEWS AND I STILL CAN'T BELIEVE OTHER LOCATIONS MADE CUT BUT I WON'T GET INTO THAT RIGHT NOW. I DON'T WANT TO CREATE AN INTERNET. NO, I DO NOT KNOW THAT THIS 11:00 NOT AT THIS HOUR. ABSOLUTELY NOT. **[03:23:45] Mayor Tim Busse:** ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ANYTHING JUST A QUICK REVIEW FOR FOLKS WHO ARE STILL WATCHING OF OUR LISTENING SESSION EARLIER THIS EVENING SELLING THIS SPOKE TO THEOUNCIL AND W HAD AN ONGOING DISCUSSION ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SCHOOLS AND WHETHER OR NOT CHARTER SCHOOLS FIT WHICH DEFINITION AND SO THAT CONVERSATION CONTINUED. MR. I THINK WE MIGHT LIST WAS THAT HIS LAST NAME MIGHT LIST I came BEFORE us OFFERED SOME FEEDBACK ON THE MOST RECENTLY DISCUSSED SURVEY THAT THE CITIZEN SURVEY THAT WAS DONE AND THEN TALKED ABOUT FIRE SAFETY INDICATORS OBVIOUSLY HE'S HE'S PAYING ATTENTION AND IS INTERESTED IN THIS KIND OF THING AND we HAD A GOOD CONVERSATION WITH LIST ON ON SOME OF THE THINGS AND FINAY MR. DALE JOHNSON came FORWARD. HE HAD SOME QUESTIONS SPECIFIC TO THE INFORMATION THIS MONTH'S BLOOMINGTON BRIEFING REGARDING THE SURVEY DONE BY MAURICE LEATHERMAN COMPANY OVER THE SUMMER AND we HAD A GOOD DISCUSSION ABOUT SOME OF THOSE SURVEY RESULTS AND DIRECTED HIM SPECIFICALLY TO SPOTS ON THE CITY WEBSITE WHERE YOU CAN FIND MORE INFORMATION ABOUT A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT THINGS. AND SO THAT WAS A GOOD DISCUSSION we HAD WITH MR. JOHNSON AS WELL. I HAVE NOTHING ELSE COUNCIL THE COLLEGE MEMBERS HAVE ANYTHING ON THIS EVENING COUNCILMEMBER D'ALESSANDRO. **[03:25:30] Councilmember Lona Dallessandro:** VERY QUICKLY JUS TO SAY THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY THAT TURNED up TO MY TOWN HALL LAST WEEK IT WAS LIVELY AND AND WELL-ATTENDED SO. I'M REALLY EXCITED. I THINK I WIN SO FAR YOU HAD BUT THAT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE THE MAYOR. BUT YEAH, THERE WAS NO THERE'S NO COMPETITION OBVIOUSLY. BUT I THINK we HAD 25 OR SO PEOPLE AND IT WAS REALLY IT WAS REALLY WONDERFUL. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE ENERGY AND THE EFFORT THAT PEOPLE PUT IN TO SHOW up FOR IT. SO THANKS. **[03:26:00] Mayor Tim Busse:** GOOD TO HEAR COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS. **[03:26:15] Councilmember Victor Rivas:** OH, JUST VERY QUICKLY I'M SURE MOST FOLKS WATCHING AT 1056 ALREADY KNOW THIS BUT THIS IS OUR LAST MEETING BEFORE ELECTION DAY. SO JUST WANT TO ENCOURAGE FOLKS TO GET OUT AND VOTE. ELECTION DAY IS NOVEMBER 8TH. EARLY VOTING HAS OBVIOUSLY ALREADY STARTED. YOU CAN VOTE HERE AT CIVIC PLAZA ONONDAY THROU FRIDAY 8 TO 430 AND I BELIEVE THERE ARE HOURS ON THE SATURDAY BEFORE ELECTION DAY BUT NOT THIS SUNDAY BUT MONDAY BEFORE ELECTION DAY AS WELL. SO EVERYBODY GET OUT AND EXERCISE YOUR CIVIC DUTY. **[03:26:45] Mayor Tim Busse:** THANK YOU FOR THE REMINDER. ANYTHING COUNCIL HEARING NOTHING ELSE COUNCIL HAD LOOKED FOR A MOTION TO ADJOURN SO moveD A MOTION IN THE SECOND TO ADJOURN THIS EVENING ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY SAYING I MOTION CARRY SEVEN ZERO we ARE ADJOURNED THANK YOU MUCH COUNSEL GOOD DISCUSSION TONIGHT I KNOW IT WAS A TOUGH NIGHT OF TOUGH DECISIONS BUT THANKS SO MUCH FOR THE DISCUSSION THAT we DID HAVE. THANK YOU TO THE FOLKS THROUGH THAT. we'RE HERE THIS EVENING TNKS TO STAFF FOR THEREAT INFORMATION F THE GREATORK AND EVERYONE.