There you go. Call the meeting to order. Thank you very much. Stand for the pledge of allegiance. Can all the students come up in the front and stand here with us? All come on up front. Stand up front with you. Come on up. Come on up front. We'll all do the pledge of allegiance together up here. All the students Well, there's a lot of extra kids back there too. >> Yeah. Come on back. Come on, guys. Everybody up. >> There you go. >> Are we ready? >> All right. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Amen. >> All right. Thanks, G. A roll call, please. Council member Woods >> here. Council member McKenzie >> here. >> Council member Nordby is absent. Council member Schwar is absent. Mayor Maggi >> here. I have a motion to adopt the agenda please. >> So moved. >> So moved. >> I'll second. >> Second. Council Mackenzie. All those in favor say >> I. I. >> Thank you very much. Presentations. >> First up tonight, we always look forward to this is our uh fire prevention poster awards. I'll turn that over to Chief Melinger. >> Thank you. Thank you, mayor. Thank you, council members, and welcome everybody to uh the North St. Paul City Hall, where we're going to honor our students for this year's uh hard work in uh teaching uh fire prevention uh safety. Um this is Fire Marshal Brent Fixon. He's the one who was out in all the schools this year along with a few other firefighters and staff members that was uh doing all this hard work and talking about this. I'm just going to kind of read through uh the theme and then we'll get through uh uh doing our awards for everybody. So, every year the fire department works hard uh for fire safety. This year's poster comp uh contest campaign, sprinkle your home for a fire safe zone, works to educate the community about extra steps we can take to keep us safe and protected in our homes. Our department has also been educating the community on NFPA's theme for this year, which is charge into fire safety, which is regarding lithium ion batteries in your home. This year's focus on lithium ion batteries works to better educate the public on how to buy, charge, and dispose of them safely. Most of the electronics in our homes, smartphones, tablets, power, and lawn tools, laptops, headphones, and toys, just to name a few, are powered by lithium ion batteries. If not used properly or correctly, they can uh overheat and start a fire and explode. Charge into safety. lithium ion batteries in your home provides us the information, guidance, and resources needed to use lithium ion batteries with caution. Um, if you're looking for more information, you can go to the fire department's website. We have a lot of information on lithium ion batteries and what to do. Fire Marshall Fixen and our assistant chief uh Johnson, Lieutenant Foster, and other staff members talked about how it's important for everyone to plan and practice testing our smoke alarms and planning a few home uh fire escapes. Uh we all need to be prepared in advance so that they know what to do when the smoke alarm sounds. Given that every home is different, every home fire escape plan will also be different, have a plan that fits for your home. Some of the other facts we talked about, uh, smoke alarms should be installed on inside every sleeping room and outside each separate sleeping area and on every level of your home. Smoke alarms are interconnected are preferred. And so once one sounds, they all sound. Know at least two ways out of every room. If possible, make sure all doors and windows operate easily and correctly. and make sure the the kiddos know how to open and close them too. Have an outside meeting uh place a safe diff distance away from your home where everyone should meet and practice your home drill uh fire fire drill at least twice a year with everyone in the household including guests. Practice at least once during the daylight and at night during fire prevention week. The fire department works with local elementary schools and spends roughly 30 hours with over 1100 students teaching them about fire safety and prevention. Again, our goal is to make a lasting impact on these young students to learn how to prevent fire in their homes and to be safe. This year's fire prevention poster contest had over 500 entries, and the rules are simple and clear. The contest is open to all students attending an elementary school um in North St. uh in the grades of kindergarten through fifth grade. The theme for the poster, which must be on the poster, uh is sprinkle your home for a fires safe zone. And all posters must be original. Three categories, uh kindergarten and first grade, uh second grade and third grade, and the third category, fourth grade, and fifth grade. Each category has three winners. First place, second place, and third place. All winners will have all first place winners will have their um posters entered into the Minnesota State Fire Chiefs Association Fire Prevention Poster Contest where they will go up against other students across the state of Minnesota for additional uh prizes, cash prizes, and have their poster featured in the Minnesota State Fire Chief's magazine. Um, and in the past we've been very fortunate to have winners at the state level. So, good luck to our first place uh winners here tonight. So, now we'll go through the process of uh presenting our winners in the 2025 North St. Paul Fire Prevention Poster Contest. And we're going to start uh with kindergarten and first grade. >> Let me know when you're ready. >> First. >> Yeah. Oh, in third place from Cowan Elementary, Natalia Brown. Natalia, are you here? Okay. Second place from Christ Lutheran, Josie Bowmeister. Come on up. Here's your check. Don't spend it all in one. >> We'll have um all the students when they're done as a group come back up as well. But Josie, smile good. >> That's right. >> All right. Congratulations, Josie. In first place, also from Christ Lutheran, James Gerky. Come on up, James. >> That's you. There you go. >> Congratulations, James. Our next category, second grade and third grade. In third place, let Brent get >> I'm ready. >> All right. From St. Peter, Jack Banick. >> Congratulations, Jack. >> Uh oh. Don't want to lose that. In second place from Christ Lutheran, Pearl Evan. >> You are welcome. >> Congratulations, Pearl. And in first place from Christ Lutheran, Reese Jensen. Congratulations. >> All right, in our last category, fourth grade and fifth grade, third place from Christ Lutheran, McKenzie Danahghue. Good job. We like We like repeats. >> In second place from St. Peter, Kalissa Calvin. >> Congratulations. All right. In first place from Cow, hope I say it correctly. Jeantiel Rodriguez Gonzalez. Oh, dang. Not here. >> I wanted to say that name. >> Yeah. >> Well, congratulations to our winners that are here. If you all want to come up, we're going to grab a group photo. >> We'll come down with you, too. Are we going >> Thanks everybody. Yeah. First. Well, the first place ones they last year they changed it. Now you can do up to three. So all three. >> Oh, really? >> Did you Okay. So >> if you want Yeah. >> will take the top everybody. I will send in the state and they go through them and then they pick their winners and then you have a chance at contag >> and they'll send them back. >> Yep. >> Yep. down below your chin. Below your Put your face down. Thank you. >> Great job. >> Hey, you're welcome. I mean, >> thanks everyone for coming. >> Thank you. >> Hi, kids. >> Congratulations everybody. >> It's the highlight of our year. >> Thanks everyone. >> Thank you. >> Yep. I don't think we got enough pizza to make happen stay. They probably would have to be bribed. >> All right, we'll work on to our next part consent agenda. Can I >> Thank you, mayor. Um, first up, item A, October 21st, 2025, city council and HRE meeting minutes. Item B, general claims of $2,85,34.37. Item C, HR claims of $58110. Item D, public works surplus item, the 1998 craft trailer. Item E, acceptance of snow removal contract. Item F, East Metro Public Safety Training Facility, JPA, updated in 2025. Uh, 2026, employee health and dental insurance provider continuation. Item H, special event permit for the holiday hop. Item I, city hall closure for employee recognition event. Uh, item J, resolution accepting donations for October of 2025. Item K, permit building permits for October of 2025. Item L, authorized application for Metropolitan Council Environmental Services 2026 private property um ini grant program. in item Metropolitan Council and Environmental Services for 2023 municipal inflow and infiltration grant program agreement. >> Thank you very much. Would any member like to pull any at this time? If not, can I have a motion? >> So moved. >> So moved. Council member Woods. >> I'll second. >> Second. Council member McKenzie. All those in favor say I. >> I. Thank you very much. Uh I didn't get any slips, so I don't think we have anything open to the public. So, we're on to the next >> city business action items and recommendations. Uh, first up is a zoning ordinance and text amendments. We have a community development director here, Ken Roberts. Turn it over to you, Ken. >> They're excited. >> Yes. >> Yes. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, see Measure Frannle for the introduction. Before you tonight, this evening, we have two sets of zoning ordinance text amendments. These are a continuation of the work we've been doing with the planning commission the last few months to improve, streamline, clarify parts of the zoning code. The first sections or first proposals are to clarify and add add clarifying language to the definitions of the residential uh units that we include in the definitions of the zoning code. So for example, go to it's page 101 in the packet and there there are several minor changes we're proposing uh dwelling or single family dwelling or dwelling single family proposing to make clear that it's to be occupied by one family for living per living purposes. Second one, dwelling town houses. We're adding language that each dwelling unit must have separate building service utilities as required by the state building code. We add a note there. A two-unit townhouse, sometimes referred to as a twin home dwelling, two family. We're adding again language in there that is for living purposes and that these structures are sometimes referred to as duplexes. And then lastly, dwelling multiple family. Uh we're adding in the terms that it' be for three or more separate dwelling units, each intended for residential occupancy by different families. And the additional terms and words for each of these uh were brought in from the state building code and other Yeah. the Minnesota building code and state statutes. So the goal here and the end result will all these definitions will be consistent again with state statute and Minnesota building code to kind of a belts and suspenders uh effort to make sure they are all consistent with those other uh guiding documents or legal documents that we have to follow. So that's the first set and I guess I'll stop there if there are any questions. I should say too, I jumped ahead. My apologies. Plan commission reviewed this both in October and November, had some comments at both meetings and are recommending approval of this and the other changes I will get to in a moment, but uh they were helpful as they always are in this process. So, any questions on this first part? >> Just clarification is all we're doing. >> Correct. >> Yep. >> All right. Then the second part is again some clarification, some additional words for our mixeduse zoning districts. Uh again these were just part of things that we found both staff and plane commission going through our mixeduse zoning districts and there are three of those that needed some cleanup. So for example on page 101 they used to say downtown core district and corridor highway district. Well, the zoning code says downtown mixeduse district and corridor mixeduse district. So, that's one change again to be consistent with how they're in the code. Uh, and then in each district, so starting with the MU1, the downtown mixed district, mixed use district, we're adding a D there to say as part of the purposes and goals to allow or encourage development and redevelopment that will maintain a sense of the city's heritage. That's the biggest change in the MU1 and the MU2. Our big the biggest change we're proposing there is to add in the use table which is at the bottom of the page of 102 the potential to have multiple family residential development in that district but only through a PU uh approval of a PUD by the city council. Right now multiple family are not allowed in that district. They're only allowed in the MU3. So by adding those as a potential use in the MU2, we're expanding the potential obviously the potential uses that could occur there and maybe that will generate more residential development in some areas that weren't thought of as possibilities in the future. The last set of changes >> do you just to be clear if everybody's listening am the two where is that? Can you be a little bit more specific for people that maybe didn't look this over? >> Yeah, the Pine Tree Center on Century Division is one area >> and there's some areas gosh they're scattered about. There's a few along 7th not it's probably 10% of the whole city. Okay. It's not >> 11th around 11th. There's some over there too I think. >> I believe that's correct. I I should have had the zoning. >> Yeah. Just so that will bring us more opportunities to be able to do different things. Correct. >> And so if somebody wanted to put anything up where there's multiple >> Yeah. That adds another possibility. >> Yes. And then lastly for the corridor mixeduse district which is the MBU3 and that's the our prior largest commercial industrial zones adding in uh D provide more flexibility in the redevelopment of existing commercial centers and the development of vacant sites. And I should qualify all these were terms and words that are used in our 2040 comprehensive plan. That's was the genesis of this again to make sure our zoning district uses and goals and purposes align with the current comprehensive plan. Now, we'll be starting an update to that in the next few months. My expectation so far is I don't foresee major changes to those. But again, this makes it really clear that we want our zoning districts to be and the uses consistent with what is outlined in the comprehensive plan. So again, that was the reason for these changes. So overall, that's uh our staff recommendation again based on this report and the plan commission's input. And so there's an ordinance for you in the packet uh that starts on page 105 that outlines all these changes and it's staff's recommendation that the council uh move adoption of of approval of the ordinance as prepared. >> Can I get a motion for that? >> So moved. >> So moved. Council member Wood. Second. Council member McKenzie. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> Thank you you and the planning commission for all the work. Thank you on that. >> Right on into the >> item B, the repeal taxi cabin. >> I haven't seen one in a while. >> Been a while. >> And again, I want to give a a full credit to Sarah on this. She was starting, we were starting to review the fee schedule and she said, "Huh, we have a fee schedule or a fee in the fee schedule for taxi cabs. When was the last time there was a taxi cab in North Dor St. Paul? We started digging into it. It looks like the last time this chapter of the code, which is 115 was looked at was 1989. >> And I think as everyone is well aware, the uh use of ride or app based ride share services is the taxi cab business has just changed especially in the suburbs. And so our proposal is to completely delete chapter 115 of the code. We'll just reserve it for some future use. And it's it's not to say that someone can't call a taxi and get a ride if they choose or be dropped off of the taxi. It's more eliminating the need that for example they want to have a taxi cab base here or we even in the code says they are to have insurance and have a license from the city. We're we're not doing that. I don't foresee we would ever do that. So, we're just proposing to take that out of the code and uh just not even talk about taxi cabs in in the city code because we are not going to regulate them. So, our proposal is to adopt the ordinance that repeals chapter 115 of the code. >> Sounds good. Any questions? Anybody? >> No. >> Oh, if not motion, please. >> So moved. >> So move. Council member McKenzie. Second. Woods. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> Thank you very much. >> Thanks, Ken. All right. Next item up is item C, the 7th Avenue street utility improvement project. This is approved change order number two. I have city engineer Morgan Dolly here. >> Hello there. >> Thank you. Hello, Mr. Mayor, members of the council. So, this uh next item before you is kind of a housekeeping item. Uh this is for the 2023 7th Avenue street and utility improvement project. You may recall that improved uh our concrete roadways on 7th Avenue from um uh about the post office uh west to about first street and then portions of Helen as well. It was all constructed reconstructed in coordination with the redevelopment of the Lily building article 7 building. Um and that project by work by the contractor has essentially been done for a year. Um but we've been waiting on some minor punch list work and satisfaction of some other minor contractual requirements like um providing the right kind of closeout paperwork for um for my staff to be able to say that it's ready to bring forward to council. And this next item is one of those pieces. So, it's important for the final dollar amount within the cont within the work completed to match exactly the um the the dollar value of the uh contract amount. And so, contract amounts are only adjustable by way of change order. Uh there was a change order on this project earlier on. We did have a a higher volume of contaminated material that was discovered as they were regraining the road. You may recall that. Um and so that change order contemplated um some of those extra work items. This one there's there was some pluses, there were some minuses. So the you know we kind of tallied them all up. They all go into the change order. The uh essential net change here is u just over $42,000. And some of the major categories in terms of the the pluses were um additional paving in the Fourth Avenue alley, additional paving for extension of utilities in the Sila Boulevard intersection, um some uh I guess a slightly larger uh quantity of concrete driveway pavement than we originally uh estimated and some additional non- metallic conduit that's usually used for under roadway utility crossings like it could have been electrical or telecommunications or whatever. So, as we're we're rebuilding the road, um or it could be for irrigation, too. We're putting those conduits in to protect the future infrastructure, um should those things be uh need to be installed across the roadway, uh intersections. So, um uh the change order has been calculated, uh prepared, presented to the contractor. The contractor has sign it, signed it. I'm here in front of the council presenting it with a recommendation for approval to get everything lined up with uh the contract amount and then the ultimate um uh and dollar value of the work completed. And I guess one other following note, if there's u we did cover this with the change order number one, but there's ample space left in the authorized uh value for the total project cost for this project. So, even though this is increasing the contract amount by $40,000, um you may recall there was a scope reduction. We had an original bid in 2022 and the bids came in high. We took out a portion of Fourth Avenue and reduced some of the scope with the project and rebid it. So, there's actually a delta. We're under the the total project um amount for the overall bond project by actually about $2 million. So, there's plenty of contingency available here. Um, no major concerns with this adjustment of $40,000 or approximately $40,000 with the change order. And so recommendation is to approve change order number two for the 7th Avenue street and utility improvement project. And I'll stand for any questions the council might have before taking action. >> I don't really have a question. This has all been passed before my time here. Um, and the work has been satisfactory completed. >> Correct. We did have uh one wrinkle. It wasn't really the fault of the contractor, but there was some damage to the mainline pavement, concrete pavement caused by um crane placement and the and the article 7 construction. And so that was something that that developer and that contractor took on on as their responsibility. It didn't cost the city any money. And actually the same contractor that we had used for the concrete paving prepared um conducted the repairs. And so that was all done earlier in the year and was accepted by the city and and uh we're happy with the results there. But other than that, everything else is uh to the satisfaction of public works and my staff as well too from an inspection standpoint. >> Yeah, looks good over in front of article 7. Anyway, so >> any questions? If not, can I have a motion for the change order number two? >> So moved. >> So moved. Council member McKenzie. >> Second. >> Second. Council member Woods. All those in favor say I. I >> I >> thank you. >> Next up is item D, which is the 7th Avenue Street utility improvement project um for accept a project and approve final payment. Back to you, Morgan. >> Mr. Mayor, members of the council. So, now that change order number two was uh approved and is now a part of the contract, now the uh contract can be final. And so all of the appropriate documentation, bonds for warranty work, um consent of shity for final payment, uh lean waiverss and um IC134s, which is a tax thing, but very important that we collect those. So those are all in hand. Um the final payment in the amount of $113,432.58 is pretty much I think just releasing of the retainage that if we hold back 5% or whatever it was 2.5% there might have been some minor adjustments within that change order again. Uh but everything's been agreed to by the contractor, sign off by the contractor. Again, work accepted work has been accepted uh as satisfactory and um I'm here to and there is this is by resolution, I believe. Uh yes, we do final payments by resolution. So the action for council is to uh adopt a resolution approving this final pay voucher number eight uh for Eureka Construction and we will close out the project and the contract from here on out. >> Very nice. Any questions on that? >> Nope. >> Nope. >> All right. I have a motion. >> So moved. >> So moved. Council member Woods. >> I'll second it. >> Second. Council member McKenzie. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> Thank you. Thanks for the hard work on this project. >> Thank you. >> Everything looks really good. >> Thank you, council. Yep. >> Thank you, Morgan. >> All right. Last item up on our city business action items um is approval and purchase of 12 M500 incar camera systems and 25V700 bodywn cameras. Before we take a vote, we have Sergeant Badawitch here with I believe a couple representatives from uh Motorola. >> Welcome everyone. Good evening. Sure. >> Thank you. All right. Thank you. Afternoon, mayor, city council members, uh, city manager Frannle. Uh, Sergeant Ben Badawitch here from the police department. uh here to present the uh hopefully purchase agreement with uh or contract with uh Motorola for incar um squad cameras and also the bodyworn camera. With me is uh Nate Kinsey uh from Motorola and Jesse Richardson from Metro Inet to help. Uh Nate's got a presentation too that's included in here and Jesse's here to help any answer any IT questions. Uh currently we have the company is IPro also known with uh the software is the UD UDE program. Uh squad cameras were first installed over 20 years ago and we implemented body cameras in about 2021. There was a major system update with uh the UD and the new software in 2022. Uh challenges with the current system. Uh first off, the contract with IPRO uh expires in mid 2026. Um over the last few years, we've had chronic issues with the UDE system uh such as video classification doesn't necessarily transfer all the time from the squad car to the server system. Um the video uploads fail weekly. Uh we had to then submit a ticket with Metro Inet and they have to then go in and and restart the system. Uh I pro has a small customer base means uh local install local installers are are unfamiliar with software um which is a problem. It a lot of squad downtime because they're continuous issues. Uh bodywork cameras and the squad videos they don't necessarily link. Um the system is designed for once you get into the squad car um the body warn camera is supposed to be activated at the same time as the squad car is. Um that does not happen on a continuous basis reliable basis. Uh the poor software leads to delays in officer patrol duties. Uh a lot of officers are spending a significant amount of time in uh in the police department making sure that the videos are classified the way that they're supposed to be classified. and the videos are actually uploaded like they're supposed to. Uh we have we are unaware of any future progressive progressing software um that UDE or IPRO is going to present to us um to fix some of these bugs that we are continuously having. Uh the redaction software is also poor quality. uh the officers or detectives that have to do the redaction for public data requests um are almost have to go frame by frame. I when we talk about redaction we're talking about blurring people's faces out any type of uh digital evidence too. Uh and then the retention dates do do not work. What we're seeing is is that there's a high increase. The system is supposed to be designed that when the video reaches its uh retention date, it then deletes off the server and we are going back and when we're doing audits, we're finding that some of these videos are still um or well, they're not being deleted like they're supposed to, which is creating more um server space. Uh with that said, I'm going to turn it over to to Nate. You want to sit here? Sure. Yeah. Thank you. Good evening. Uh, nice to see you again. >> Um, all right. So, uh, here to introduce me, Nate Kinsey. Um, I'm the local sales rep for all things video and LPR for Motorola. I've been in this role for about four years. I was in law enforcement for 16 years locally before that. So, I'm not a smooth sales guy. I'm just a just a cop, right? It's got a sales job. So, uh, bear with me here. Um, so we're going to talk about all the pieces of this. And this is going to be really brief. There just a few slides here that we'll talk about. One thing I wanted to mention is that at Motorola, everybody knows the name, right, for radios. Um, but since 2011, uh, their sole purpose or focus has been, uh, public safety. So, they're still Motorola cell phones, but they're owned by another company. Uh, Motorola just focuses on public safety from the entire ecosystem. Uh, obviously what we're talking about here is a small portion of that ecosystem, but that's we're focused on here. Motorola has been around almost a hundred years. There's Motorola is not going anywhere. So you don't ever have to worry about that. I'm sorry. >> Yeah. Yeah. Right. Exactly. Um so we'll talk first about the body camera. Um it's very simple to use. It's very durable. Um it's cop proof is what I like to say. It's it's very similar version that that I used on the street when we were using this. Um swappable battery so you don't have to worry about your camera dying while you're in the middle of a shift. Um very simple to use. There's three buttons and then the power button on the bottom. Um, it's configurable. There's Bluetooth and Wi-Fi connection so it can connect to the car. It can connect to uh a cell phone uh app. Um, very very simple to use and uh and which is what cops really like, right? Because it's it's not complicated. So, there's no real uh resistance to using it. Uh, the in-car system again very simple and easy to use. This is a design that's been um tweaked a little bit, but it's kind of the same design for the last 10 12 years. Um nice touchscreen in the car to be able to tag your videos. It'll anything you do in the car will transfer to the body camera so the officers don't have to tag in two different places. It's not tied directly to the squad laptop. So if if that laptop goes down or they have to reboot it, the system is still running. So you're never you're never in danger of losing a recording. um very high quality. Uh 1080p is the uh the top recording um resolution that we offer. Above 1080p gets into the range. It's better than the human eye can see. So that's where we cap it at. Um but very easy to tag videos, very easy to um to operate the system. Um there's additional cameras on that screen. Um what we're talking about is the two on the left right here that'll be included in this in this proposal that we have here. So, front-facing camera and back seat camera um in the passenger compartment. Um the front-facing camera is also um LPR equipped. So, um really really good scans during the day. License plate recognition is is LPR. So, as the officers are driving around, they're going to be getting scans and it's bounced off of the BCA hot list that they send out twice a day. Um, so we'll be able to get stolen autos, uh, warrants, wanted persons, silver alerts, all all of those things right to the squad laptop without officers having to type in the plates. Uh, kind of the traditional way of doing it. So all those come in real time and and all of this that we're talking about is cloud-based. So everything is everything in the cloud. There's no server that you have to worry about maintaining any further. Uh, the back end is really really streamlined, very userfriendly. Um it it's called DEMS command central DEMS within the back end is um the uh device management all the videos. So when officer logs in he's going to see his or her videos from newest to oldest top to bottom. Um they'll sync with the body camera and the incar and if there are other officers on scene it'll sync with those videos as well. So they're able to view those all sort of together and in in uh paired up. Um it's also got AI um management tools. The AI is sort of in the background assisting all of the uh all of the processes like the redaction um which is extremely fast and and easy to use. Um report writing um you name it, this backend does all of it. Uh very easy to use. It's going to save a lot of time. It's very efficient. uh transcriptions. You can bring in 911 calls into here and transcribe the 911 calls. It it can really do anything you can think of as far as a backend, anything that you would want. Uh for interview rooms, it uses the incar system, which is the M500, but it uses um interview room specific cameras. So those two on the right there are the two, a dome camera and a pinhole camera for an interview room specific solution. Uh we have these out in the wild right now in police departments and sheriff's offices and they're working great. Um again very easy to use for the officers because it's very similar to the INC car. Uh and the command central is uh to simplify it. It's the live streaming portion of of of this proposal. So, um, with this feature, supervisors would be able to live view into their officers body cameras and incar cameras to be able to view in real time uh, what their officers are dealing with at any given time uh, while on a call. Uh, there's also mapping features. The LPR scans can come into the map. Uh, you can tie this in with your with your CAD system. So, your CAD calls could be in here. There's a lot more that this can do, but again to to sort of simplify what aware is is it's live location and streaming of all of the devices and radios. That's those are my sides. Ben, do you want me to talk about anything else? >> Uh, I think that's good. Unless Do you have >> Do you folks have any questions directly? >> Um, >> Impressive. >> I might have one. I saw you guys had cameras that hang off of buildings, right? >> Mhm. Yes. >> I don't I we've I've never tal I didn't know what our city has. Could if we are ever looking for an upgrade on our camera system throughout our city, is this something we could tap into? >> Yes, sir. Absolutely. >> Where we could get a reduction price cost, make it a whole ball ball wax deal? >> Uh potentially. the the the fixed video portion is is a little longer of a process >> um because of you know site limitations and and things like that but but yeah there Motorola does fix video as well and with the aware portion which was the previous slide we can actually bring in um not just bring in and live view not just the body camera and incar video but also fixed video. So, if you had fixed video >> around the building, >> building, you could live stream that into here as well. >> Yeah. >> Cool. >> Great question. >> Thank you. >> Yep. And I I know this isn't really show and tell, but I do have one of the body cameras if you guys would >> I would love to see one. Yeah, I'm just trying to save money. >> I do have some questions, but I think they kind of tie into more of the project itself. Um, so I can wait on those if you want or I can ask them now if you want. >> Uh, it's up to you. >> Okay. Well, I'll just go ahead and ask. Um, so have we completed any kind of a proof of concept or anything like that with the equipment? >> What >> I mean, have we had some people like test it out? Have we had people trying it out? >> Yeah. So, we before uh before or part of the process with going with with Motorola, we spoke with neighboring agencies, Oakdale, Mountains View, Wiper Lake. Uh they are completely satisfied with with the product and so satisfied that uh all three of those departments have have resigned um an an agreement with them to extend their contract. I think I just started recording something. Sorry. Um so so we haven't had any of our officers actually try any of the equipment or anything to >> Correct. >> Okay. Um, so then what kind of training would have to be done or is available for our officers to make sure that or maybe equipment like this is generic enough across the board that they can that they know what they're doing, but >> it it's somewhat generic when it and when it goes to actually how how to record videos. >> Okay. >> Um, what would what if the agreement is is signed or we do move forward forward with Motorola? Um, correct me if I'm wrong, Nate. They would we go into an implementation phase where Motorola assigns us a project manager. Uh, we've already created a team within the police department um of of five per five different personnel from patrol, the detectives of records admin um to work through the of how to implement the Motorola into into the police department. Um the idea is to before the before Motorola even hits the street or is even installed, we would like to have all that training done. >> So Motorola does provide part of the the contract is they do provide somebody to come in and and uh train everybody. >> Okay, perfect. >> If you don't mind, if you don't mind. Right. So, so during the deployment phase, which is approximately 3 days where we will have people on site getting everything up and running, there will be additional training during that time. Um, there's also online training that can be done at any time and Ben and and the chief know they can reach out to me and our other local um support people locally if they ever have any questions or need any additional training. But, um, the training is is >> it's out there at any time. they could they could do a training as well as in person. >> Perfect. Um I just want to make sure that the officers are ready for this and you know that they hit the ground running and everything and >> um because I assume that there's also going to be process changes on the back end on the administrative side of things getting familiar with the administrative side of it and how does that operate or how does that tie into our processes within the city and things like that. >> Exactly. I this wouldn't be we install everything tomorrow and then say here you go. It it's it's going to be a two to three maybe four month process of of getting everybody trained in scheduling squad cars to get the um the devices installed and the big thing is officer training. >> Okay. Um and then one last question. Um well I guess two questions. So first off um the and I would I guess the I assume the answer to this is yes. You listed out a whole bunch of concerns that we have with the existing uh system that we have. I assume the Motorola system negates all those that it meets all the challenges that we're currently having. >> Yes. >> Right. Okay. >> Yes. >> Um and then two, what portion of the support for the system does Motorola provide? because I assume Metro Inet is going to do some support for the connectivity of the system because it's cloud-based. Correct. >> Correct. >> So, Metro Inet will handle some of the connectivity to the uh from the body cams to the CL to the uh backend system and everything. Right. >> So, I it's kind of a mixed question for both of you and I apologize you haven't been up to talk yet. So, I >> jumping the gun a little bit. I was feeling left out anyway. So I don't >> So the >> is the microphone on? >> Sure people can hear. >> Oh, thank you. >> I believe there's a is there a cradle point router that would be in Okay. >> So there would be a device mounted in every vehicle that would act as basically a gateway to the internet and the uh Motorola devices would first record everything on the basically the black boxes in the car. um they would use the cradle point internet access device to offload everything to Motorola's server and then once that has been confirmed as a completed upload it will take it off the uh squad car. >> Okay. >> So we would help some with the um we would help a little bit with getting the connections uh from the cradle point if there ever say like a troubleshooting thing that needed to be done. I would cooperate with whoever would be their administrator for the cradle point device. >> Okay. Um, we might need to get Motorola involved uh at some point, but it' more likely be an issue with just making sure that it's working properly up front, having a subject matter expert on our side to be able to help out if there was a connection issue in the future, and then working with the person uh in the police department, which might be Ben. That would be the administrator of that cradle point uh device group. >> Okay. So, I guess you would handle So, Metroet would handle the connectivity side of things. Motorola we would have some kind of support contract that would handle software support as well as hardware support for all. >> It's kind of funny with these because they don't unlike say Arbitrator or Axon. Uh both of those companies will put software on the squad's laptop and interact with it there. Um Motorola has a separate hardware device that kind of mounts kind of close to the rearview mirror and that is um that handles all the interaction with the device. So there is no software that we we would need to push out. Um and then the management of it from the the back end say when an officer needs to go back and review video with the police department or look to see that's all web- based. >> Okay. >> So it's u >> or tickets with Metro quite a bit is what you're saying. >> I'm looking forward to that. That'll be nice. >> That's good information for you too. I got to say that >> you take care of Oakdale and they have it and so the difference >> I really don't have to I get so few tickets from the other two major member agencies that have Motorola it's it's extremely rare that I even see one in say like >> that's a huge statement right there. Thank you for that. >> I was just going to add that we do have obviously 247 support. So if if an issue does arise, the first step is to is to open a ticket, right, with our support. And if Jesse or Metro Inet needs to get involved, they can. But typically, like he said, for Oakdale and Mountain View, it's just call, we get it taken care of, and they don't even need to be involved. >> Okay. And sorry uh one final qu. So on the mo motorola side I assume that because this is all uh software as a service based that we would have our own tenant separate from other agencies but there is connectivity back to like BCA and everything on the back end but we would have our own um tenant that we would have access to that we could constrict access to for our officers. No plans to share amongst member cities. This will be just north St. Paul. >> Okay. Okay. Perfect. >> This is a seat base where you know each you know for a seat would be the officers body cam, the car and everything else. Is that considered like a per per um cop or per um person unit or are they are they separated as far as the different devices how many devices you can have on their on that account? So we don't limit the number of of U accounts or users. All we're doing in this proposal is number of devices and if the agency has you know other officers that are sharing squad cars or sharing body cameras, things like that. There's no it it's just per like per device and then the agencies can put in as many users as they need. >> Yeah. I wasn't sure if shifts share devices or each person have their own device as far as >> so the each officer will have their own body warn camera assigned to them >> and then the squad cars obviously will have their own Yep. will stay with the car. >> So when they when they get in the car their body cam links with the car >> correct >> that's what I think I heard one time is when they get in the car then things are supposed to happen supposed to turn on there and do that. So that will work with so each camera and car will sync up when the officer gets in there. >> Yes. Okay. >> If there's a bad camera, how do they get a replacement for that day? Or how do they get it repaired right away if they're on duty and there's a faulty one somewhere along the way? >> So, what what we've what other agencies have done in the past is usually pull either a spare camera into service or take one from say the chief or somebody who's not using it that day, right? um because the cameras are docked at the PD over overnight or during the day, right, when officers are not working. So, you can easily just grab someone else's camera. >> Okay. >> But that being said, our um they call it an RMA process, the return process. So, if a camera does go bad or it needs to be returned, that turnaround is within a week. So, they they would call support, open a ticket, support would send them out a new camera, and then the old camera goes back, no questions asked. Are these on are these available through a immediate purchase or do you have to order them specifically for our community? >> Uh they're not specific to the communities. So once they would come here, they would be configured for the specific agency. Okay. >> And that's part of the deployment process. >> So if I my camera breaks and I need to use the chief, is it like a MAC address where they just go in and assign my camera then from the chief to me? It it's a very simple process where you go into the back end that I mentioned earlier. You go to checkout camera and you check that camera out and then it's checked out to you. >> So, it's easy to swap if you need to be able to do that. Okay. >> Now, do our officers realize they might have to smile once in a while? I don't know. They're have to shave. >> We didn't put that in the proposal, but we can. >> All right. And I guess one last question along those night uh along those lines for Ben. Um part of the 25 body uh body warn cameras that we're getting. I assume we've got some hot swap available ones in there. I don't know how many officers we have. >> Uh we have um 20 officers right now. 2021. >> Fiveish extra. >> Yeah. Just in case. I mean we have an authorized strength of 23 with including um um our administration side uh record side uh and our cso too um who will be assigned one. >> Next question is so we we um we are hoping to purchase it extra just in case. Okay. >> Um because that's kind of also a problem that we ran into with >> with the current with the current uh body camera system. >> Okay. I'll stop then. Thank you. >> Good questions. Battery wise, too. Extra a couple extra batteries so we can How long does it take to charge? I mean, is it >> It's about four hours from zero to 100 for a battery. >> Batteries are swappable. So, there are spare batteries uh in this proposal. So, >> officers don't have to get a new camera. They can just swap out the battery. Okay. Um, and battery life, it depends on how it's being used and what features are turned on and things like that, but you're looking at anywhere from, you know, 10 to 11 hours on a single charge. >> Okay. What features are put onto this camera for the officers? And as far as, um what if they're in an incident, what other features are there? >> So, um, one one of the big features that is is very popular, Ben and I were just talking about this, is is called record after the fact. So with the camera that that we have here that it's it's turned on but not recording. It's technically recording, right? So it's called record after the fact. So I would be able to come back and pull video with no audio off of this camera of this interaction right here. So if there's a complaint officer's at Starbucks and and you know tomorrow Sergeant says, "Hey, somebody complained about you at Starbucks." Well, nothing happened. Well, let's go pull the video. And you can go back up to 23 hours of time when this is not docked because when it's docked, it's not recording, right? But not docked and not recording. This is recording, right? On like a like an old to or DVR. So that's one of the big features that um is a big selling point. I know it was for me knowing that even if I if I'm too focused on whatever I'm dealing with, I don't have to think about pressing a button. I just think about the threat and know that that video is there and and I'm covered. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Plus, when you hit the record button on the camera, it records starting from 30 seconds before you hit the button. >> So, it's nice little buffer. >> The buffer. Yeah, that's nice. >> All sound and everything, right? >> No sound for that. Um, >> no, but the video is there. The button. Okay. >> And then they also sync up with the car. So, if the camera was uh if the cop hit the button to start recording on the uh body cam, >> the car's cameras also start recording. And vice versa, if the officer makes the car start recording, body camera starts recording right away without having any intervention. Uh there's a GeForce sensor in there too, right? In the car. >> In the car. Yes. >> Yeah. So, if the car gets smooshed into a light pole, >> the GeForce sensor will trigger. It will start recording on both the incar video and on the body camera 30 seconds before the car hit the light pole. So there's >> see what happened. >> Yeah, exactly. >> And that 30 seconds is configurable. It can be 15 seconds, it can be 30 seconds, it can be up to 10 minutes. So >> Oh, that's kind of nice. >> Configurable to the agency and their policy. >> Okay. Okay, >> Mr. Mayor, if I may. >> Yeah. Um, well, I'm the city attorney, so I'm obligated to ask some of the pessimistic questions. Um, you know, as a as a city, as a police department, you know, we have statutory records retention requirements. If hypothetically we go with your services and then some point down the line change to somebody else, how do we get access can we still get access to those files? Is there a file only service something to that effect or are we sort of locked in to you for you know period plus record retention period? >> Yeah. No, great question. So if you were to choose to go with another vendor in 5 years or whenever it is, the videos are your videos. We don't make you pay for them. We don't charge you to to download them and move them somewhere else. Everything that's everything is recorded in MP4 file, so it's playable anywhere else. You don't need a special player. Um, but we will give you options and time to either download and move to another server or maintain a license with us if you choose. We have multiple options and and some of those require no cost. They're no cost to the agency. >> Thank you. And then it sounds like you you sort of answered that as well, but also in terms of sharing the the videos from the department to like the prosecuting attorney's office, it sounds like it's all mostly MP4s and and it's fairly easy to move those around. >> Yes, it's extremely easy. That's one of the nice things about our new back end that that obviously I didn't go too into depth on it, but um the sharing portion is very easy. It's it's as simple as as sending an email. The recipient side is an email link where you can go in and view and download view or download um the files that are shared with you and not just limited to camera incar um any any sort of digital evidence that you have in that case is shared how you choose to share it and who you choose to share it to. >> Thank you. >> How long of a contract? >> Five years. >> Five years. Okay. uh some some of the key features that uh we uh we're happy that Motorola can provide us. Um one the big thing is is that it aligns with our mission statement as far as community support and working with the community. Uh having a reliable system um will will keep that keep that mission statement true. Uh the uh automatic license plate reader, that's that's a big one. Um that'll be installed in uh five squad cars. Uh so officers aren't necessarily s always looking down at running a license plate. It it the squad car will actually automatically do that. Um the other two big things that that we are I'm personally excited about is one the digital digital evidence storage the the backend area. Not only does that contain the the videos the officers uh record, but it anything digital involved in a case will hold that evidence. Um, one of the key features that they have is a community video link. Uh, with this contract, officers will have an application on their phone on their department issued phone. uh they can create a scan code, give it to a victim or a witness who has video footage and that uh that victim or witness can automatically up take that video from a Ring camera, from their cell phone camera uh and automatically put it into the system. The problem that we have now is officers had to give the victim or witness their email. Then the victim or witness has trouble configuring the video or when it gets sent to us, it's not configured the right way. So then we had to create a ticket with Metro Inet. We have to save it a certain way within our PD server, uploaded a certain way into our report writing system that gets rid of all that. It's basically sent in already attached to that case because of that unique uh scan code that is provided. Uh this this system does bring us back bring the police department up to 21st century policing with technology. Um which really you know our community expects transparency and accountability from their police department and this technology will only support that um to support those goals. uh considerations uh reliability is essential. We currently do not have any type of trust or reliability with our our current system. Um the cameras must perform uh constantly without failure. That's something that we are we are finding with our our current system. Um the big issue too is if cameras aren't reliable, the public investigating agencies and the Ramsey County Attorney's Office will have little tolerance or understanding during a critical incident. So these major events that police um police departments get in involved in um if we don't have video of what happened because the system fa the the current system that we use failed you know that brings in a lot of questions. Uh going over to the there we go. Uh we kind of hinted on it earlier. The estimated uh 5-year contract is um just over 322,000. Uh couple other um that's also including the uh install fee with uh EATI which handles uh the squad cars uh technology inside the squad cars. um the 2026 uh Metro Inet quote um to this quote for 2026 and 2027. This directly relates to the the server space that we currently use for our current video footage. Um in the Motorola contract, we do have a migration clause in there. Um, the problem is there are over 16,000 videos on the police department server that aren't that were not properly saved in an MP4 format. They were saved in an AV3 or an AV system. So, we are going to have to work with Metro Inet um and uh I pro to figure out how we can convert all of those videos to get them off of the Metro Inet server that we currently use and into uh Motorola. So, that's where those two numbers come from. Um is that's the that's the server space. Uh the I and then we also had to pay uh an IRO licensing fee for using their software every year. And with that, any any further questions? >> I think it'd be a lot better what we have now. I think I think we're looking in the right direction. >> Thanks for bringing it to our attention. I mean, we're able to move, you know, sooner than we thought we were going to be able to do. Just kind of like we did with the the locks. you when you we met with the police fire chief about that we didn't realize you know how much programming is involved for every single thing. So manh hours is very valuable very expensive and we you know if we can you know be able to use the technology in better ways to be able to have everybody be able to do the job they're supposed to do instead of housekeeping it's uh going to be better for the whole city. >> Exactly. Mayor. >> All right. >> Thank you. >> I'd like to make a quick comment if I could. Uh so I sat in on on these um presentations and I tell you their presentation was much better than their competitors and these guys come in at about a third the price and they are equally as quality as a product and features that are charged a considerable amount through a competitor is part of the package with these guys. Um I've seen the frustration with the officers and with uh our IT who's ready to take a hammer to the system that we have now. Um, I think this is a well-needed system and I think they'll be lucky to have it. Good to have it. >> Good. >> Perfect. Well, thank you so much for all that information and the great presentation from all of you. >> So, the next thing is to do a motion. Can I have a motion to approve the purchase of the M500 incar cameras and the V700 body cameras? >> Also move. >> So move. Council member McKenzie. >> Second. >> Second. Council member Woods. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> Thank you all very much. Look forward to working with you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you everybody. >> Thank you. >> Thanks for coming. >> Yeah. Appreciate it. >> Thanks. >> We didn't even get to get ask you guys questions. >> She could show us the black and white camera she's carrying now. >> Yes. Really? >> Thank you everybody. >> Thank you. Take care. Appreciate it. >> All right. Move on to reports from city manager and departments. >> So, we had a staff meeting today. Um, couple updates. Electric department's working on getting the Christmas lights ready to be put up, which they'll be lighting them up after Thanksgiving. Um, >> I'm glad they're waiting till after Thanksgiving. >> Yes. Uh, and we have uh eight interviews that they'll be doing this week. Uh we had one um lineman that uh had left and uh so we're getting into the interviews now. Looks like we have some good candidates to choose from. So that'll be good. Um we have some ongoing work that they have at the substation with some updates that are out there. Um and they're still working on some of the poll change outs from their uh system inspections. Community development's been it's a continuing process for continuing to work on ordinances and as they go through the process and find out other either old ones or outdated ones. Um they still working on we're hoping to actually have the um solid waste RFP to you guys for review today, but uh we need a little more time with that. So that'll come back um either the next one or the next one before the end of the year that we'll have that too. Um uh the working on the CIP with the planning commission um communication is working on uh presentations and they'll be going to the parks commission tomorrow and actually the arts commission in two weeks to discuss next year's um festivities and you know their involvement and what's kind of expected. So Ava's doing that. Uh she's right now collaborating with the high school. They're going to have a in January a career panel, which I think they did that last year as well. So, we'll have uh people from individual departments that'll go over there and talk to them about their careers and it's kind of a nice program. Um finance is busy working with uh truth and taxation which will be coming up at their next council meeting and then uh it's final approval on the 16th. Um PD Ray, our chief is at uh attending the chief's conference up in Brainard right now. Um and right now they're kind of getting out and working on warning people about the snow rule that's in place. Then they try to give out warnings in November and if we still can't keep them off the road, they tend to get tickets past that point. Um so just out warning everybody that that is coming. Public Works is staying busy with uh street sweeping and the progress is coming on the student build house. They got the basement dug, got the footings in today. They're hoping to inspect that today and then they're hoping to have at least the walls formed and up and poured maybe by the weekend and then they'll get them waterproofed, let them cure a little bit and back fill and we'll have the college out here starting to build. Um, fire department is currently working on their annual physical agility test. Um, and we >> mayors don't have that. >> Uh, we also have one of our um firemen that is going over um with the team for visiting North High and teaching hands-on CPR to them. So, that's nice, too. And that's all I got for you. Thank you >> very much. Appreciate the update. Lawyer, you got anything to say? >> Other than moment, your honor. >> All right, there we go. We got this feels so empty. I have to ask somebody questions here. >> Mackenzie. Yeah. Um, we have our meeting December for the EDA December 9th, 8th. I don't remember what it is. >> 9th I think it is. >> 9th. Yeah, that'll be coming up. >> And um other nothing that other than that. >> Okay. Who's sir? >> Um, arts and culture met a couple weeks ago for our normal monthly meeting and then we had a special planning meeting last night workshop to kind of talk about uh 2026 and um some potential process improvements we can make to how we do our work. >> So, good stuff. >> Yeah, good deal. All right. Thank you. Any general business? Well, I attended the uh VFW vets day ceremony at 11:00 on the 22nd, whatever day it was. And then two days later, I went to the VFW's uh um auxiliary and memorial lunchon that they have now at the BFW. And I'll tell you what, the way they handled those soldiers and their past histories and that, I was really moved by it. I was really glad I got a chance to go down to that. It was pretty cool. >> Very nice. >> Very cool. >> Sounds like I'm honorable experience. >> I Yeah. Anything? >> Um, I've got nothing. >> I'm trying to remember the last time we spoke. I think we did the police foundation pancake breakfast since we met last, right? So, that was good. Was getting some pancakes and it's a good turnout. It was uh nice to be able to attend that and can't think of anything else. It seems to fly by, but I don't remember what I do. How was that? >> Uh how about a happy and healthy Thanksgiving for everyone and their safe travels? >> I can't believe that. >> I guess the last thing I'll say is thanks to all our vets and allowed me to come in and visit with them. Thank you. Well, our next meeting is going to be December 2nd. So, if there's nothing else, I ask for adjournment. >> So, move. >> So, move. Council member McKenzie. >> Second. >> Second. Council member Woods. All those in favor say I. I. Seem to do pretty well when there's two members with