GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE JANUARY 18, 2024 MEETING OF THE BLOOMINGTON COMMISSION. THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS MADE UP OF SEVEN VOLUNTEER BLOOMINGTON RESIDENTS APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL . TONIGHT WE HAVE SIX WHICH IS A QUORUM THE COMMISSION ADVISES CITY COUNCIL ON DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS LONG, RANGE PLANNING AND TRANSPORTATION ISSUES. OUR WORK IS INFORMED BY THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, VARIOUS DISTRICT PLANS AND THE CITY CODE FOR SOME ITEMS THE COMMISSION MAKES A RECOMMENDATION WITH THE CITY COUNCIL HAVING FINAL DECISION MAKING AUTHORITY. THERE ARE TWO OF THOSE ITEMS TONIGHT. IN OTHER CASES THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN APPROVE OR DENY AN APPLICATION SJECT TO AN APPEAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND THERE ARE NONE OF THOSE ON THE AGENDA FOR EACH ACTION ITEM THERE WILL BE A STAFF REPORT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THEN TIME FOR ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC TO PROVIDE TESTIMONY FOR ITEMS THAT ARE STUDY ITEMS THAT IS A STAFF COMMISSION INTERACTION AND THERE IS NOT PUBLIC TESTIMONY UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE ITEM RETURNS FOR COMMISSION ACTION. OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS TONIGHT IS THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. PLEASE STAND AS YOU ARE ABLE I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TOELIGIOUS STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH JUSTICE FOR ALL. ALL RIGHT. THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR A MAJOR REVISION TO A BLOOMINGTON CENTRAL STATION PLAN DEVELOPMENT. THIS ALSO WILL INCLUDE PRELIMINARY AND FINAL PLAT AND THEN SENIOR PLANNER CENTENARIO AS THE PRESENTATION THEN COMMISSIONERS ITEM ONE IS FOR AS CHAIR MENTIONED A NUMBER OF APPROVALS FOR BLOOMINGTON CENTRAL STATION PHASE FIVE OR BCS FIVE THE FIFTH PHASE OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE BLOOMINGTON CENTRAL STATION PLAN DEVELOPMENT SO WE'RE FAMILIAR THE BLOOMINGTON CENTRAL STATION AREA AS WITH IT'S WITHIN SOUTH LOOP DISTRICT AND SO WE LOOK TO NOT ONLY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BUT THEN WE ALSO LOOK TO THE SOUTH OF DISTRICT PLAN TO INFORM OUR DECISIONS ON DEVELOPMENT WITH US WITHIN THIS AREA AND BOX HAS BEEN A DEVELOPMENT THAT' GON IN PSES SINCE THE EARLY 2000 AND THIS IS THE LATEST RESIDENTIAL PHASE. SO CONSIDER THE SITE CIRCLED IN RED ESSENTIALLY JUST NORTHWEST OF HYATT REGENCY HOTEL ALONG AMERICAN BOULEVARD AND 33/1 AVENUE IS A LITTLE BIT OF AN IMAGE, A LITTLE NEAR-TERM IMAGE FROM LAST FROM LAST YEAR YOU CAN YOU CAN SEE BXP OR CARBON 31 UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN THIS IMAGE AND THAT OF COURSE INCLUDED TAIL GROCERY STORE. AND SO THAT WAS A HUGE IMPROVEMENT TO THE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO PROVIDE A GROCERY RETAIL USER. THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT IS NOT PROPOSING RETAIL WHICH I'LL GET TO IN A MOMENT AND IT'S NOT PROPOSING ANY AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND SO THERE ARE WE DO HAVE A CODE REQUIREMENT RELATED TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUT. WE ALSO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR DEVELOPER TO PAY FEE IN LIEU AND THAT'S WHAT THE PROPERTY OWNER AND APPLICANT IS SEEKING TO PAY FEE IN LIEU OF AFFORDABLE UNITS. SOLOOMGTON CENTRAL STATION HAS AN EXTENSIVE PREP DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO INTO OF DEEP DISCUSSION ON THE PDP ITSELF. WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON THIS PARTICULAR PHASE AND SO THIS IS THE EXISTING PDP AND I'LL ZOOM IN TO SHOW YOU THIS IS WHAT IS IN PLACE THE VCS FIVE MULTIFAMILY, 250 UNITS AND 6000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL WITH A MIX OF STRUCTURED OR STRUCTURED PARKING SO THAT THAT IS WHY THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A MAJOR REVISION BECAUSE THE UNIT COUNT IS PROPOSED TO GO DOWN THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO REMOVE THE RETAIL ELEMENT AND SO WHAT I HAVE IS THE PROPOSED PDP WITH THE CHANGES BEING IMPLEMENTED WITH THE APPLICATION AND HERE IS WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW WE GO FROM A THE EXISTING PDP WHICH JUST HAS YOU KNOW BUILDING PLACEHOLDERS AND WITH THIS YOU CAN SEE THE ACTUAL FOOTPRINT OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED. YOU CAN SEE THE WALKOUTS, HOW THEY TO 31ST AVENUE IN AMERICAN BOULEVARD BUT THEN YOU ALSO SEE THE UNIT COUNT GO DOWN FROM 250 TO 164 YOU KNOW THE PARKING CONFIGURATION IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BUT THEN THE THE RETAIL IS NO LONGER AN ELEMENT IT IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM OXTAILS. SO HERE'S THE SITE PLAN FOR GOING OUT OF THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS IS THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT. I'LL GO INTO MORE DETAIL ON THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS BUT YOU CAN SEE THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT THAT INCLUDES A LOT OFHE STRUCTURE PARKING WHICH IS WHY THE MASS OF THE FOOTPRINT IS MUCH GREATER BUT . AGAIN THIS IS HOW THE BUILDING RELATES TO THE STREETS AND ITS OVERALL ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THIS IMAGE AGAIN ANOTHER PLACEHOLDER FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT SIMILAR TO WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS DONE THEY WOULD SHOW THE PLAT AT THE END BUT THEY WOULD PLAT ONE LOT FOR DEVELOPMENT AND THEN RETAIN AN OUT LOT FOR A FUTURE PHASE AND THAT'S HOW BLOOMINGTON CIVILIZATION HAS DEVELOPED OVER THE YEARS NOW WITH LANDSCAPING DIDN'T REALLY HAVE MUCH TO COMMENT ON IN TERMS OF THE LANDSCAPING PLAN. THIS IS A MUCH MORE URBAN CHARACTER THAN OTHER AREAS WITHIN BLOOMINGTON AND SO NATURALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A VERY SIGNIFICANTLY BUILDING WITH AS MUCH STRUCTURE PARKING YOU HAVE HIGH IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AS I CAN SEE THIS DARK GRAY SO YOU REALLY HAVE A LOT OF LANDSCAPING BETWEEN THE BUILDING IN THE STREETS AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE LOT OF STREET TREES, FOUNDATION PLANTINGS BUT IN TERMS CODE COMPLIANCE THEY THEY'RE PROPOSING TO MEET CITY CODE FOR TREES AND SHRUBS. WE WOULD HAVE A LANDSCAPE SURETY TO EURE THAT IT'S PLANTED AND MAINTAINED. BUT AGAIN VERY YOU KNOW, VERY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF STREET TREES WHICH WHICH HELPS THAT URBAN URBAN CHARACTER, THE COUPLE, THEIR ELEMENTS AND THE DESIGN THAT I WANTED TO MENTION WHICH IS STAFF WE'RE REALLY HAPPY TO SEE SO THIS IS A FIVE STORY BUILDING AND THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING YOU CAN SEE THESE WALK OUT UNITS WHICH IN ITSELF WE THINK IS A REALLY NICE ADDITION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, WINWS AND AND PORCHES STEPS ALONG THE STREET. BUT WHEN WE WHEN WE WHEN THE APPLICANT CAME BEFORE THE CITY FOR PRE-APPLICATION MEETINGS, WE NOTICED THAT THERE WAS STRUCTURED PARKING ON GRADE LEVEL AND WE EXPRESS OUR CONCERN THAT, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO SEE A BLANK BECAUSE THAT REALLY WOULDN'T ADD MUCH TO THE PUBLIC REALM. BUT WITH THE APPLICANT PROPOSING IT WE THINK IS REALLY ATTRACTIVE AND REALLY MEETS THE EXPECTATION OF THIS DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE SOUTH OF THE DISTRICT. SO THIS IS THAT SAME NORTH ELEVATION AND SO YOU SEE ALL THESE WINDOWS, ALL THIS GLASS AND ALSO DOORS LEADING OUT TO THE SIDEWALK AND SO BEHIND BEHIND THAT GLASS IS THE PARKING STRUCTURE AND SO WE THOUGHT THIS IS A REALLY NICE DESIGN THAT YOU KNOW HAS THAT COMFORTABLE PEDESTRIAN ENVIRONMENT INSTEAD OF , YOU KNOW, A BLANK CONCRETE WALL GOING ON TO OTHER BUILDING ELEVATIONS. THE EXCUSE ME WE'VE SEEN TS MIX OF MATERIALS IT'S PRETTY CONSISTENTLY WHAT WE SEE BRICK YOU SOME TYPE OF MASONRY GLASS STUCCO METAL PANELS ARCHITECTURAL CROWN CONCRETE AND FIBER CEMENT. IN THE REPORT YOU READ A LITTLE BIT MORE OF OUR COMMENTARY ON THE FIBER CEMENT BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE BUILDING IS CODE , YOU KNOW, MEETS OUR STANDARDS IN TERMS OF THE MIX OF MATERIALS. IT'S WITHIN THE PROPORTIONS OF WHAT WE CALL SECONDARY OR LIKE THAT COULD BE EFFORTS OR FIBER CEMENT OR SOMETHING ELSE . WE'RE GOING TO SOME OTHER COMMENTARY IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT I DIDN'T GET QUITE RIGHT IS RELATED TO BACK PROVISIONS AND SO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING ARE THE LIGHT GRAY AND THEN THE DARK GRAY, THE FOOTPRINT OF THE SECOND LEVEL AND ABOVE AND THEN THIS RED AREA THAT YOU SEE IN THE LOWER RIGHT THE LEFT IMAGES PLAIN VIEW AND THEN THE IMAGE ON THEIGHT IS A SECTION VIEW OF THAT AND SO IN THE CITY CODE WE HAVE STEP BACK PROVISIONS THAT ENSURE THAT BUILDING IS STEPPED OR SET BACK FARTHER THE TALLER IT IS SO WE DON'T HAVE THIS CANYON EFFECT ALONG STREETS AND I INITIALLY THOUGHT THAT THIS REQUIRED A DEVIATION GIVEN YOU KNOW THIS RED AREA BUT IT ACTUALLY IS WITHIN IT'S WITHIN THE ALLOWANCE OF CITY CODE . THE CITY CODE HAS A 25% ALLOWANCE WHEN WE MEASURE THE ENTIRE WIDTH OF A BLOCK FACE AND THEY'RE AT 23% SO IDENTIFIED AS A IN THE STAFF REPORT BUT IT'S ACTUALLY CALLED COMPLYING WHICH WAS IT WAS GOOD TO TALK TO THE ARCHITECT ABOUT ANOTHER BUILDING ELEVATION. THIS IS THE SOUTH ELEVATION A LOT OF THE AMENITIES SPACE IS ALONG THE SOUTH END OF THE BUILDING WHICH MAKES SOME SENSE THAT'S CLOSEST TO THE RETAIL AND SO THERE'S A GOOD RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN MORE ACTIVE USES WITHIN THE BUILDING THEN THERE'S A STREET WITH STREET PARKING AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT IS BECAUSE FOR AN ACCENT LS SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT WE THINK IT'S A IT'S A VERY WELL THOUGHT OUT BUILDING DESIGN ONE MORE ONE MORE ELEVATION VIEW I'LL GET TO THE THE COURTYARD AREAS WHICH WAS THE TOPIC OF DISCUSSION IN MY REPORT BUT THIS IS A THIS IS THE ONE AREA OF FLEXIBILITY THAT STAFF IS NOT SUPPORTIVE OF AND THAT IS THE THOSE INNER COURTYARDS ON THE CENTRAL ON THE SIDE OF THE SITE. SO THEY'RE NOT AS VISIBLE CERTAINLY BUT BECAUSE THE APPLICANT IS NOT PROPOSING ANY AFFORDABLE HSING THEY'RE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR EXTERIOR ALLOWANCES TO ALLOW THAT SECONDARY MATERIAL TO GO UP ESSENTIALLY IN THIS CASE THEY WANT TO HAVE MORE FIBER CEMENT THAT WOULD NORMALLY BE ALLOWED BY CITY CODE . SO FIVE RESPECTS IS A PERFECTLY NICE MATERIAL BUT WE CONTEND THAT IT'S WELL IT IS PAINTED IT'S A PAINTED MATERIAL SO INEVITABLY IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AS DURABLE. THE FINISH IS NOT GOING TO BE AS DURABLE CERTAINLY NOT AS MUCH AS BRICK STUCCO OR GLASS. AND SO WE DO HAVE THAT LIMITATION. SO OUR OVERALL VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT, THE CONDITIONS THAT WAS WRITTEN ESSENTIALLY JUST MEAN THE APPLICANT HAS TO REVISE SMALL AREAS OF THE BUILDING TO MEET CITY CODE PARKING. OF COURSE IS SOMETHING THAT WE WE LOOK AT THE PARKING CALCULATION FOR SENIOR HOUSING AGAIN THIS IS A RESTRICTED DEVELOPMENT. IT'S VERY SIMPLE AND. SO THE PARKING REQUIREMENT IS $246. THEY'RE PROPOSING 223. MOST OF THAT SUPPLY IS COMING IN THE FORM OF THOSE GARAGE SPACES AND THEN THERE ARE 18 SPACES THAT ARE ESSENTIALLY ALLOCATED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. WE ASKED THE APPLICANT TO PREPARE A GRAPHIC SO WE'RE NOT DOUBLE COUNTING STALLS BETWEEN DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS. SO THIS IS ALL SHARED PARKING BUT WE WANT TO ASSURE THAT ENSURE THAT NO TEN STALLS DON'T COUNT TOWARDS THREE DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS. BUT ANY CASE THE THE AMOUNT FLEXIBILITY THAT THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING IS UNDER 10%. GENERALLY SPEAKING, WE FIND THAT THE DEMAND WITHIN BLOOMINGTON CENTRAL STATION AND SOUTH OF THE DISTRICT IS IS LESS THAN CITY CODE . AND SO WHILE THIS IS FLEXIBILITY, THAT'S BEING REQUESTED, WE THINK THE PARKING SUPPLY IS MORE THAN SUFFICIENT. THIS DEVELOPMENT AND LASTLY THIS IS AN IMAGE OF THE FINAL PLAT SO THIS IS OF INSTRUMENT THAT CREATES LOTS AND SO THE THE YELLOW THE YELLOW BOX IS WHERE THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED AND THEN YOU CAN SEE OUT LOT A THAT'S REALLY JUST THE REMNANT THAT WOULD BE FOR BOX SIX SHOULD THAT MOVE FORWARD. AND SO THAT'S THE YOU KNOW WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF ALL THE ELEMENTS THE POLYMER DEVELOPED PLAN TO CHANGE THOSE CHARACTERISTICS OF DEVELOPMENT THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE 164 UNIT SENIOR APARTMENT BUILDING AND THEN THE PRELIMINARY FINAL PLAT THANK YOU QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT THANK YOU CHAIR MR. CENTENARIO WILL YOU BACK TO THE COURTYARD SPACE AND JUST REITERATE WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT BUILDING MATERIAL AND HOW THAT RELATES TO THE OPPORTUNITY HOUSING ORDINANCE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. I THINK MAYBE IT'D BE HELPFUL IF I GO TO THE MEAN THIS KIND OF MAKES IT EASIER TO SEE SO COMMISSIONERS AGAINST THE THIS IS THE LANDSCAPE LANDSCAPE PLAN BUT IF YOU CAN GET TO SEE WHERE IT SAYS LEVEL TWO COURTYARD THESE ARE THE THREE ELEVATIONS THAT INTERIOR COURTYAR AREA THAT THEY'RE SEEKING FLEXIBILITY FOR. THE MORE SPECIFICALLY THEY'RE SEEKING TO THE AMOUNT OF QUOTE UNQUOTE SECONDARY MATERIALS. THE CODE OUTLINES WHAT SECONDARY MATERIALS ARE THEY WANT THAT TO BE SIGNIFICANTLY THAN THE ALLOWANCE WHICH IS ONLY 15% OF EACH BUILDING ELEVATION AND. SO HOW THAT RELATES TO THE OPPORTUNITY HOUSING ORDINANCE IS THAT IF YOU'RE PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR THE MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING YOU HAVE THE MORE UNITS, THE GREATER PERCENTAGE, THE GREATER FOR AFFORDABILITY THERE'S DIFFERENT LEVEL OF EXIBLE FEE FROM THAT STANDARD. SO IF HAVE A VERY AFFORDABLE DEVELOPMENT YOU HAVE YOU'RE ELIGIBLE HAVE LESS PRIMARY MATERIALS. SO ESSENTIALLY IT'S A DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE TO FOR AFFORDABLE UNITS AND SINCE THIS APPLICATION DOESN'T INCLUDE ANY AFFORDABLE UNITS, WE DIDN'T REALLY SEE A COMPELLING REASON WHY TO TO SUPPORT FLEXIBILITY. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER GOLTZMAN THANK YOU CHAIR ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE COURTYARD THE COURTYARD PRIVATE ONLY OR IS IT A PRIVATE USE OR IS THERE PUBLIC ACCESS TO THAT COURTYARD? SURE COMMISSIONER. THIS IS A LEVEL TWO COURTYARD SO IT WOULD BE PRIVATE I'M SURE WILL HAVE PARTIES AND SUCH BUT IT IS FOR PRIVATE. PRIVATE YOU THINK YOU COMMISSIONER NIXON THANKS MR. CHAIR MR. SIMS SCENARIO PLEASE THIS IS ZONED OR DOES THE HSR ZONE HEAVY TRANSPARENCY ON THE GROUND FOR IT COMMISSIONER DOES WHEN YOU GO TO I DID NOT INCLUDE THOSE THOSE DRAWINGS BUT THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THEM UP THERE IS A TRANSPARENCY REQUIREMENT ALONG AND IN THE PLANNING MATERIALS OR THE APPLICATION MATERIALS THE APPLICANT INCLUDED GRAPHICS THAT MEASURED ALL THE TRANSPARENT MATERIALS AND BY ALL ACCOUNTS LOOKED LIKE THE APPLICATION WAS MEETING THE TRANSPARENCY REQUIREMENTS. IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU. SOM I UNDERSTANDING YOU CAN SEE THROUGH THESE WINDOWS ON THE PARKING GARAGE OR WOULD THEY BE REFLECTIVE? MAYBE THAT'S A QUESTION FOR THE COMMISSION. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW THE ALL THE CHARACTERISTICS OF WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. IT IS IT IS AN IMPORTANT QUESTION THOUGH AND TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS SOME TRANSPARENCY AND IT'S NOT A FALSE YOU KNOW, FALSE WINDOW, I'LL ASK THE APPLICANT YOU COMMISSIONER CURRY THATCHER JUST AT A HIGH LEVEL HOW MANY MORE PHASES ARE THERE PLANNED FOR BLOOMINGTON CTRAL STATIO AND HOW HOW IS THE DEVELOPMENT OR THE YOU KNOW THE MAIN PLAN PROGRESSING AS ORIGINALLY INTENDED? I'M SURE COMMISSIONER THAT'S A THAT'S ALSO A VERY GOOD QUESTION. SO I HAVE THE PROPOSED FOR LINEAR DEVELOPMENT PLAN SO YOU CAN YOU CAN SEE WHERE HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED. THEY HAVE A LOT MORE DETAIL THEY'RE PRECISE IN TERMS OF BUILDING FOOTPRINT AND YOU KNOW IT HEALTHPARTNERS HAS EXISTED IN THIS AREA FOR QUITE SOME TIME A REFLECTIONS W WAS DEVELOPED SHORTLY THEREAFTER OR NOT SHORTLY THEREAFTER BUT WAS BEGINNING OF THIS BLOOMINGTON CENTRAL STATION VISION AND THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY TO TO GLASS CONDO TOWERS. YOU KNOW I'D HAVE TO LOOK TO GLEN TO KIND OF REACH BACK IN HIS MEMORY AND REMEMBER THE ORIGINAL PDP'S ENVISIONED. BUT I SUSPECT IT WAS MORE HEIGHT, MORE BUILDING HEIGHT, MORE TOWERS, A GREATER PROPORTION THAN WHAT WE'RE SEEING NOW AND BEEN DEVELOPED AS OF IN TERMS OF RESIDENTIAL BEEN FIVE AND SIX STOREY RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS. THE THREE PREVIOUS RESIDENTIAL PHASES ARE SIX STORY YOU KNOW ESSENTIALLY FIVE STOREYS ON ONE LEVEL OF CONCRETE STYLE DEVELOPMENT. AND THIS ONE THAT WE'RE REVIEWING TONIGHT IS FIVE LEVELS. YEAH JEROME AND COMMISSIONER CURRY SOME OF THE MAJOR CHANGES OVER THE YEARS BLOOMINGTON CENTRAL STATION THEIR PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN PROBABLY THE FIRST ON THE FAR EASTERN SIDE. ORIGINALLY THERE WERE PROPOSALS THAT THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS WOULD BE IN MORE TOWER FORMAT SIMILAR TO REFLECTIONS WHAT THEY RAN INTO AS JUST FINANCIAL REALITIES THAT THE COST OF THAT CONSTRUCTION WAS NOT PENCILING OUT IT WAS NOT FINANCIALLY VIABLE SO THEY SWITCHED TO MORE OF A WOOD FRAME DESIGN FOR THE TWO PHASES ON THE EAST SIDE TO THE NORTH OF THAT THE DENSITY DID NOT CHANGE AND IN FACT I THINK EVEN INCREASED A LITTLE BIT RELATIVE TO THE PREVIOUS PLAN BUT THE STYLE OF THE UNITS CHANGED AND THEN ON THE WESTERN SIDE THE MAIN CHANGE HAS BEEN OVER TIME THE CONVERSION OF OFFICE SPACE. WHEN THIS WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED THERE WAS A LOT OF OFFICE BUILDINGS PROPOSED WHICH YOU KNOW MARKET CONDITIONS DO NOT SUPPORT ANYMORE. SO SEVERAL OF THOSE OFFICE PLANNED OFFICE BUILDINGS HAVE BEEN CONVERTED THROUGH PLAN AMDMEN TO RESIDENTIAL THANK YOU. SO THEN I GUESS JUST IN TERMS OF TOTAL UNITS OR YIELD LIKE IS ARE WE ON TRACK HAS EVERYTHING PREVIOUSLY BEEN AT THE EXPECTED DENSITY THAT WE THOUGHT WAS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED OR IS IT BEEN UNDER SAID JEROME AND COMMISSIONER CURRIE LOOKING AT THE OVERALL NUMBERS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT THE NUMBER OF UNITS HAS GONE WAY UP AND THE AMOUNT OF OFFICE SPACE HAS GONE DOWN SUBSTANTILY. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF . THANK YOU. WITH THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. OH, SORRY I MISSED. OKAY. SORRY. SORRY. 1/2. I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR STAFF, MR. CURRY. SORRY. THANK YOU, CHAIR. I WAS ALSO JUST GOING TO ASK ABOUT THE RETAIL IF WE HAVE DEVELOPED THE AMOUNT OF RETAIL THAT WAS ORIGINALLY EXPECTED OR IF WERE UNDER WHAT WAS INTENDED. SURE. JEROME THE COMMISSIONER OVERALL YOU KNOW, AS THE DIFFERENT ITERATIONS OF THE PLAN, YOU KNOW, THE AMOUNT OF RETAIL SPACES FLUCTUATED BUT OVERALL WAS PROPOSED NOW IS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS RETAIL THAN WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY ENVISIONED. AND AGAIN THAT'S THE APPLICANT CAN GO INTO MORE DETAIL ON WHY IT'S JUST UNDERSTANDING THE MARKET CONDITIONS DON'T SUPPORT MORE RETAIL THAN WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN KIND OF FOLLOWING UP ON COMMISSIONER CURRIE'S EARLIER QUESTION ABOUT HOW MANY PHASES SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE DASHED ITEMS ARE THE ITEMS THAT ARE NOT DEVELOPED YET AND IT'S SOMEWHAT MIXED AREA BUT ARE THERE WELL HOW MANY DO WE HAVE LEFT OF THE UNCOMPLETED PHASES HERE? IS THERE TWO IT LOOKS LIKE MAYBE THREE. SURE. JEROME IN TERMS OF RESIDENTIAL UH IN TERMS OF LIKE THE USE CHARACTERISTICS RESIDENT IN QUITE FRANKLY BECAUSE WE KNOW IT'S BEEN EVOLVING. YEAH. YOU KNOW CURRENTLY WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED RIGHT NOW IS ONE MORE PHASE OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND THAT'S IDEALLY WEST OF THE SITE THAT YOU'RE REVIEWING TONIGHT IN TERMS OF OFFICE THEY'RE SHOWING ACTUALLY FOUR MORE OFFICE PHASES AND THEN ALONG WITH THOSE OFFICE PHASES ARE ACCOMPANYING PARKING PARKING STRUCTURES THERE THERE IS SOME MORE RETAIL THAT'S PROPOSED CLOSE OR ESSENTIALLY ACROSS THE STREET THE GROCERY STORE. AND THEN YOU KNOW, THE FUTURE OF THE OF THESE OFFICE SPACES MATERIALIZE THERE COULD VERY WELL BE ADDITIONS OF SOME GROUND LEVEL RETAIL. IT'S NOT SHOWN HERE BUT AGAIN PDP'S RLLYO EVOLVE OVER TIME GIVEN IS BUILDABLE. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT. NOW WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE SIDE OF IT? HELLO. MY NAME IS JOY JERRAM. I'M HERE WITH MY COLLEAGUE JOHNNY MEEKER ON BEHALF OF MCGUFF. THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE TONIGHT. SO WE ARE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS ACTIVE ADULT ON THE BOOKS NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HAVE RECENTLY FINISHED OUR THIRD 400 UNIT PLUS MARKET RATE PROJECT IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE THINK THAT THIS WOULD BE A GREAT ADDITION AND WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THE AND ALL THE AMENITIES THAT WE HOPE TO HAVE IN THIS BUILDING. ESG RYAN IS OUR ARCHITECT IS ON THE LINE. HE IN NORTH CAROLINA AND ABLE TO BE HERE WITH US SO WE'RE GLAD HE COULD DIAL IN WE THIS THE BUILDING WILL BE HAVE A FULL PROGRAM MANAGER THERE ARE A NUMBER OF AMENITIES THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT ANY CURRENT MARKET RATE BUILDING PLUS THE ADDITION OF AN INDOOR POOL. WE HOPE THAT THIS BECOMES FOR THOSE THAT ARE LOOKING TO DOWNSIZE THIS IS THEIR NEXT HOME. YEP THE IN REGARDS TO ALL THE MATERIALS IN THE BUILDING THAT MR. CENTENARIO POINTED OUT IT WAS DESNED WITH THESE THIS DEMOGRAPHIC IN MIND UM WITH THAT SAID UP ON THE COURTYARD LEVEL THE REASON WHY WE HAD PURSUED THE DESIGN FLEXIBILITY TO MORE OF A FIBER CEMENT PANEL IS THAT MOST OF THESE PEOPLE WILL BE FROM SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. IT FEELS LIKE A BACKYARD. IT FEELS LIKE YOU'RE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD. I HAVE FIBER, CEMENT, MY SINGLE FAMILY HOME IT'S 18 YEARS OLD AND IT'S MY GARAGE IS AGAINST THE BACK BACKYARD WHERE I HAVE KIDS BANGING IT WITH AND RUNNING INTO IT AND IT LOOKS GREAT. SO I HAVEN'T SEEN ISSUES. WE WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THE OPPORTUNITY TO PURSUE A CONTINUING DIALOG WITH STAFF ON THAT FLEXIBILITY IN THE COURTYARD I THINK RYAN I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SPEAK BUT IF IF YOU CAN IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD DO YOU HAVE TO UNMUTE HIM SO RYAN'S HOME SO IF YOU'D LIKE YOU CAN UNMUTE YOURSELF NOW. HI. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. IT'S RYAN SIMPSON WITH ISC ARCHITECTS HAS JOINED MANSION WHERE 500 WASHINGTON AVENUE IN MINNEAPOLIS AND JUST TO TO THAT REQUESTS FOR FLEXIBILITY WE'RE KIND OF IMAGINE THAT THE INTENT OF THE EXTERIOR MATERIALS STANDARD IS TO JUST A POSITIVE IMPACT ON ON THE PUBLIC BY GUARANTEEING A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF HIGH QUALITY BUILDING FINIS ANDIND OF BASED ON THE FACT THAT THESE ELEVATIONS ARE WE THINK WE'RE MEETING THAT INTENT BASED ON THE FACT THAT THESE THREE UPPER COURTYARD ELEVATIONS ARE LARGELY NOT VISIBLE AND REALLY NOT AFFECTING THE PUBLIC REALM AT ALL. I MEAN FIRST OF ALL, THERE'S THE VERTICAL SEPARATION. YOU KNOW THAT COURTYARD AND THOSE ELEVATIONS ARE ELEVATED 14 TO 22 FEET ABOVE GRADE THAT'S ADJACENT THE THE WEST ELEVATION IS THE ONE THAT DIRECTLY FACES A RHT OWAY ANDHAT'S 30TH TO THE WEST AND IT'S MORE THAN 400 FEET AWAY FROM THAT RIGHT AWAY AND THE NORTH AND SOUTH ELEVATIONS WHILE NOT FACING DIRECTLY RIGHT OF WAY ARE STILL LIKE VERY FAR REMOVED FROM AMERICAN AND 80 AND A HALF TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH RESPECTIVELY BY MORE THAN 200 FEET IN THE CASE BOTH . SO GIVEN THAT VERTICAL SEPARATION AND KIND OF THE DISTANCE FROM WHERE THEY CAN BE VIEWED IN PLAN IT IT IT MAKES SENSE JUST BECAUSE THERE REALLY ARE VIRTUALLY INVISIBLE AND I GUESS FURTHERMORE LIKE FOR ANY POTENTIAL OBLIQUE VIEWS LIKE FROM AMERICAN OR 80TH LOOKING KIND OF DIAGONALLY AT THE PROJECT WE'VE ESSENTIALLY CONTINUED THE PRIMARY MATERIAL PROPORTIONS OR PERCENTAGES AROUND CORNER FOR THE FIRST 35 PLUS FEET. SO WE'VE GOT 95% PRIMARY MATERIAL WHERE FOR THE PORTION THAT YOU COULD POSSIBLY SEE OBLIQUELY SO OSTENSIBLY YOU KNOW THE KIND OF SECONDARY MATERIALS THAT HIGH CONCENTRATION IS RELEGATED TO LIKE A ZONE THAT'S NOT VISIBLE BY THE PUBLIC. AND WITH THAT I'LL TURN IT BACK TO JOY OR JOHNNY I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, RYAN. THANK YOU. YEAH, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO KEEP THE MOMENTUM GOING IN BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR EITHER JOI OR MYSELF. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT. THANK YOU CHAIR QUESTIONS ARE REGARDING THE MARKET IN BOTH THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON AND IN THE REGION. WHAT IS THE ABSORPTION OF SENIOR HOUSING IN EITHER MARKET EITHER THE REGION OR THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON? AND THEN TO ADD ON THAT, WHAT ARE YOU SEEING IN TERMS OF SENIOR PROJECTS IN THE IN THE PARKING ABSORPTION IN IN THOSE PROJECTS AND ARE YOU SEEKING DEVIATIONS IN OTHER LOCATIONS? YEAH. SO THIS IS OUR ONLY SENIOR HOUSING PROJECT AT THE MOMENT. ABSORPTION COMPARED TO YOUR TYPICAL MARKET RATE PROJECT. YOU KNOW EITHER CARBON 31 JUST TO THE SOUTH OR FENNELLY JUST TOHE EAST THOSE ARE TYPICALLY FASTER. EXCUSE ME YOUR TURNOVER THOUGH IN TERMS OF LEASING MORE FREQUENT BUT IN THE TYPICAL PERSON WHO'S MOVING INTO THE HOUSING THEY'RE SELLING THEIR HOME, THEY'RE CHOOSING TO RENT TO REALLY BE IN A COMMUNITY THAT'S ACTIVATED AND PROGRAMED FOR THEM. SO THE PROPERTY MANAGERS REFER TO THEM AS VERY STICKY. THEY STAY AND THEY TEND TO STAY THERE FOR YOU KNOW, EIGHT ,TEN, 12 YEARS. IT'S REALLY THEIR HOME, THEIR COMMUNITY. ABSORPTION IS SLOWER. SO HAVING A BUILDING THAT'S ABOUT 120 TO 180 UNITS IS THE SWEET SPOT BECAUSE YOU GET ON AVERAGE ABOUT TEN UNITS A MONTH WHEN YOU JUST FLATLINE IT OVER THE YEAR. SO IF YOU'VE GOT A 300 UNIT BUILDING, YOU KNOW THAT'S, ALMOST THREE YEARS TO LEASE UP SO THEY'RE A LITTLE SMALLER MORE PROGRAMED, MORE COMMUNITY ASK IN OF PARKING FROM OUR PROPERTY MANAGER WE'RE WORKING WITH THEY'RE A BIG NATIONAL PROPERTY MANAGER GREYSTAR. THEY TYPICALLY SEE ABOUT .25 IS THEIR RECOMMENDATION. SO WE'RE ABOVE WHERE THEY ARE OR ABOVE WHAT THEY WOULD RECOMMEND. THE MINIMUM IS THAT THEY'D BE COMFORTABLE TO LEASE A BUILDING. THANK YOU. YEAH. QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. COMMISSIONER COOKED. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I HAVE A NUMBER OF COMMENTS. I'M JUST GOING TO START RIPPING OFF HERE. WHAT WAS THE DECISION TO GO TO FIVE STORIES INSTEAD OF SIX? I THINK BACK TO JOHNNY'S POINT JUST TRYING TO HIT THAT SWEET SPOT IN TALKING WITH A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT CONSULTANTS THAT DO ACTIVE ADULT JUST THAT 164 AND GIVEN OUR SITE PLAN KNOWING WE HAD TO WRAP THAT GARAGE AS MUCH AS WE COULD ACTIVATED SPACES. THAT'S WHERE WE ENDED UP WAS 164. JUST SO I UNDERSTAND DID FL COTRAINED TO HAVE TO BE HAVE FIVE. WOULD YOU HAVE PREFERRED SIX OR IS THIS WHERE YOU WANT TO BE? IT'S WHAT WHAT WORKS BEST ON THE SITE. I THINK THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO BE. IT FEELS APPROPRIATE. ALL RIGHT. WELL, COULD YOU SPEAK TO THE REDUCTION OF OR ELIMINATION OF RETAIL SPACE? WHY DID YOU DO THAT? YEAH. SO RETAIL AS WE ALL KNOW IS VERY DIFFICULT AND WE JUST OPENED UP THE OXYGENOS MARKET A RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET SO THAT IS ABOUT 15,000 SQUARE FEET. IT'S A GREAT AMENITY TOOUTH LOOP. IT'S A GREAT AMENITY TO BC'S AND YOU KNOW WE'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE THAT GROCERY STORE THRIVE AND SUCCEED. AND BRINGING ON ADDITIONAL UNITS TO HELP THEM TO DENSITY ON SITE AND SHOPPERS IS. SO WE'RE REALLY FOCUSING ON THEM SUCCEEDING NOT TRYING TO BRING ADDITIONAL RETAIL IN AT THIS TIME. OKAY. COULD YOU SPEAK TO THE TRANSPARENCY OF THE WINDOWS OR IN THE GARAGE SPACE? YES, THEY WILL BE TRANSPARENT . I THINK THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS FOR NOW. THANK YOU. MR. CORY THATCHER. SO IN TERMS OF THE RETAIL IS THERE. YOU DON'T YOU DON'T. DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERN ABOUT THE RETAIL BEING LEASED UP THEN YOU WOULD EXPECT THAT IF YOU DEVELOPED RETAIL IT WOULD BE LEASED SO. OR EXCUSE ME COMMISSION. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN'T STUDIED IN THE PAST YEAR OR SO WE WOULD NEED TO DO MORE RESEARCH TO TO REALLY UNDERSTAND YOU KNOW WHAT, RETAIL WE COULD BE BRINGING TO THE SITE AND WHAT ARE THE MARKET NEEDS. BUT WE HAVE NOT CONTEMPLATED THAT FOR THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU. SO THEN DO YOU HAVE ANY UNDERSTANDING AS TO WHAT THE LEVEL OF VACANCY IS FOR RETAIL IN THE SOUTH LOOP AREA? I DO NOT. IOULD GUESS WITHINHE SOUTH LOOP WHATEVER THE MALL OF AMERICA VACANCY BECAUSE IT'S SO LARGE IS PROBABLY WHAT THE VACANCY. YEAH, WELL THANK YOU MR. CHAIR . PERHAPS I COULD HELP YOU MR. CURRIE AND ASK MR. MARK HOGAN WHAT THE TAKE IN RATE OF THE EXISTING RETAIL WE HAVE IN AT CENTRAL STATION IT'S JEROME AND COMMISSIONER COOK TEN WITHIN BLOOMINGTON CENTRAL STATION ITSELF. WE JUST ESSENTIALLY TWO RETAIL SPACES OR NONRESIDENTIAL SPACES NOT COUNTING THE HOTEL. ONE IS THE FOX AND DALES GROCER WHICH IS YOU NOT FULLY OCCUPIED. THE OTHER IS THE FORMER COFFEE SHOP SPOT WHICH MY UNDERSTANDING IS IS CURRENTLY VACANT ALTHOUGH I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY UPDATES ON THAT BUT THAT ONE IS VACANT. CASH ISA THANK YOU CHAIR. I KNOW YOU MENTIONED KIND OF THE VACANCY AND HOW YOU DOWNSIZED THE UNITS OVERALL UNITS ARE YOU GUYS WORKING WITH THE PROVIDER AS PROVIDER WORKING WITH MDH OR DHS WHATEVER LICENSING IT IS TO KIND OF SPEED UP THE PROCESS BEFOREHAND OR IS IT AFTER THE SITE IS BUILT THEN YOU GUYS ARE THE PROVIDER I SHOULD SAY WOULD BE WORKING TO KIND OF GET THINGS GOING. SO I THINK YOU MIGHT. THIS IS NOT AN ASSISTED LIVING . THIS IS ACTIVE ADULT 55 PLUS SO IT'S JUST AGE RESTRICTED SO IT'S REALLY MARKET RATE HOUSING WITH JUST A RESTRICTED AGE. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. MR.. ALBRECHT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. ONE MORE QUESTION. I AM ASSUMING THERE'S A COST TO USING PRIMARY VERSUS SECONDARY MATERIAL AND BALLPARK. WHAT WOULD THAT COST? IS THERE A COST BARRIER TO CHANGING COURTYARD MATERIAL TO PRIMARY VERSUS SECONDARY? YEAH. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT QUESTION. AND YES, THERE IS A COST BARRIER TO THAT TO IT. WE ARE STUDYING DIFFERENT MATERIALS THAT FIT INTO THIS THE PRIMARY WE ARE ANALYZING METAL PANEL TO BE CONSIDERED PRIMARY MATERIAL. THE CITY HAS RESTRICTIONS ON THE TYPE OF GAUGE AND WARRANTY THAT CAN GO WITH THAT. SO I DON'T HAVE AROUND A FIGURE IN MY HEAD BECAUSE WE'VE GONE THROUGH SO MANY DIFFERENT NUMBERS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO CLOUD AREA AND THIS WAS THE ARCHITECT'S FIRST WISH SO WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE AROUND THERE BUT WE CAN BE PREPARED TO ANSWER THAT NEXT. BUT I'D SAY IT'S MAYBE $10 A SQUARE FOOT DIFFERENCE. I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT THE MATERIAL TAKE OFF PRESSURE GOLTZMAN. THANK YOU CHAIR. IF STAFF COULD BRING UP THE AERIAL VIEW OF THE MAP SPECIFICALLY SHOWING THE ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY SO I KNOW TO THE IS IT WAS THE CARDINAL DIRECTIONS HERE OR THAT PARKING LOT IS WE'RE LOOKING AT ANOTHER POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT CORRECT IN THAT DEVELOPMENT IS THERE ANY RETAIL SPACE OPPORTUNITY OR IS IT STRICTLY RESIDENTIAL COMMISSIONERS THE PDP THAT THE SHOWSHAT IS 100% RESIDENTIAL CAN THAT COULD THAT COULD EVOLVE BUT THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING A RETAIL SPACE ON THE BOX PHASE. GREAT. THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THE QUESTION AND I KNOW THERE WAS SOME SOME DISCUSSION IN THE MATERIALS WE HAVE BUT ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION FACING 88TH AND A HALF THERE IS AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER THERE IS A DIFFERENT SET BACK TO THE SOUTHWT CORNER WITHIN THERE'S A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT SETBACK IN THE WHAT I ASSUME IS INTENDED TO BE THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING. TALK ABOUT THAT IF I UNDERSTAND THERE WAS SOME REFERENCE TO UTILITY EASEMENT BUT I THINK GENERALLY HOW WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS NOT ALIGNED WITH THE URBAN CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YEAH. CAN ADDRESS THAT AND THEN BRYAN COULD BE ON UNMUTE HIMSELF TO BE PREPARED TO ALSO HELP ME THAT'LL BE GREAT. SO ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT IS OUR GRADE LEVEL COURTYARD THERE WE HOPE TO ACTIVATE THAT SPACE AS WELL WITH SOME GRILLING STATIONS AND SOME FURNITURE AND TURF. BUT THE REASON WHY WE KNOCKED THAT HELD THE BUILDING BACK A LITTLE BIT IS TO GATHER THOSE VIEWS OF THE PARK THAT ARE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET THAT I THINK WAS ONE MOTIVATING FACTOR FOR US ALSO IN THAT AREA THE OKS AND LS PARKING IS HELD IN IT'S VERY CLOSE SO JUST TO KIND GIVE THAT A LITTLE BIT OF A BREAK BRIAN DO YOU HAVE A PROBABLY MORE ELOQUENT RESPONSE THAN THAT? I THINK YOU DID A FINE JOB, JOY. THAT'S EXACT WHAT WE DID AND JUST AT GRADE BY PULLING THE WHAT YOU CAN SEE IS THE POOL BACK. YOU KNOW, IT IS A GESTURE TOWARDS THE CENTRAL STATION PARK BUT ALSO KIND OF PROVIDES ADDITIONAL GREAT LANDSCAPING OPPORTUNITY THAT YOU SEE WE CAN TAKE IT TOOK ADVANTAGE OF IN THE LANDSCAPING PLAN SO I MEAN OTHER THAN THAT GESTURE ARE KIND OF FORWARD FACING FACES OF THE BUILDING ARE PUSHED OUT ALMOST AS FAR AS WE CAN PUSH THEM OUT SO THAT WE KIND OF ACTIVELY ENGAGE THE STREET AND CREATE THAT PREMIER PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE THAT THAT BECAUSE THERE'S A THAT'S BEEN LIKE A SIGNATURE OF THE PREVIOUS BCS DEVELOPMENT. SO THANK YOU. OTHER FOR THE APPLICANT COMMISSIONER CAPTAIN MR. SHAW THANKS MAJOR THE LOCKOUT UNITS IS THAT SOMETHING YOU LIKE OR IS THAT MY CITY STAFF COLLEAGUES PUSHING TO DO THAT? I ACTUALLY LIKE THOSE UNITS THERE. YOU KNOW FOR PEOPLE WITH A PET THOSE ARE GREAT UNITS HAVE THERE IS A PARK RIGHT DOWN THE STREET WE ALSO SPEAKING FROM THE CONSTRUCTION WISE WORKS OUT WELL WE'VE GOT A NICE CONCRETE PODIUM THERE THOSE UNITS DON'T HAVE TO STACK WITH THE ONES ABOVE FOR PLUMBING LINES SO WE CAN WE CAN CREATE SOMETHING SPECIAL ON THOSE ON THE STREET. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS . THANK YOU. IT'S YOUR GOOD THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THIS ITEM IS PUBLIC HEARING SO I WOULD INVITE ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO TESTIFY ON THIS ITEM THE PODIUM FOR A THREE MINUTE TESTIMONY . SEEING NONE AND SEEING NONE ONLINE WHO ARE NOT STAFF. I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO MOVED SECOND THANK YOU HAVE A MOTION AND THE SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION IN FAVOR SAY I I OPPOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED DISCUSSION ON THE PROPOSAL COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT THANK YOU CHAIR. I'M HAPPY TO SRT OUT THIS CONVERSATION. I APPRECIATE THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM THE APPLICANT REGARDING ABSORPTION OF SENIOR UNITS BECAUSE MY PERCEPTION IS THAT THEY ARE A LITTLE SLOWER THAN MARKET RATE. SO I APPRECIATE THE THE REASONING BEHIND THAT. IDEALLY YOU KNOW I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A FIVE OVER ONE BUILDING BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT AN LEVEL OF UNITS MIGHT CREEP INTO THE ABSORPTION NUMBERS AND WORK OUT NOT IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT MOVING FORWARD. SO I UNDERSTAND THE REDUCTION IN UNITS I AM COMFORTABLE THE PARKING DEVIATION THOUGH I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE SOME AFFORDABILITY COMPONENT WITH THE PARKING DEVIATION AND SO I'M I'M HESITANT ABOUT THAT EVEN THOUGH I KNOW THAT PARKING IS LESS OF A DEMAND PARTICULARLY AN AREA WITH A LOT OF PUBLIC TRANSIT, I AM ALSO COMFORTABLE WITH THE REQUIREMENT OF CHANGING COURTYARD TO MORE PRIMARY MATERIAL VERSUS SECONDARY MATERIAL THINK THAT THAT IS MAKES A LOT OF SENSE AND OTHER THAN THAT I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT MR. GOLTZMAN THANK YOU SIR JUST A FEW COMMENTS AND JUST THINKING ABOUT HOUSING IN GENERAL. I AGREE I I'M SOMEWHAT SADDENED THAT WE DON'T HAVE AN AFFORDABILITY COMPONENT BUT I ALSO LOOK AT THIS AS OTHER HOUSING OPTIONS FOR PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE IN BLOOMINGTON . WE HAVE A LOT OF RESIDENTS WHO HAVE BEEN LIVING IN BLOOMINGTON FOR MANY AND THEY'RE IN THEIR HOMES AND ARE LOOKING FOR ADDITIONAL OPTIONS FOR OUT OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME OR OTHER OFFER OTHER OPTIONS AND I LIKE GIVINGHIS DEMOGRAPHIC OPPORTUNITIES TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE THAT STEP TO SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE MANAGEABLE OR WITHIN THEIR ABILITIES. BUT I ALSO LOOK AT IT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF IT GIVES PEOPLE THE OPTION FIRST TO MOVE BUT ALSO OPEN UP HOUSING FOR FAMILIES WITHOUT COMMISSIONER KORMAN WHO IS HERE SHE ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT HOUSING FAMILIES BRINGING IN FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN THAT CAN SUPPORT OUR SCHOOLS AND OUR COMMUNITIES AS AHOLE SO. I THINK THIS IS A DECENT FIT I WAS I UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES WITH RETAIL WHICH I ASKED ABOUT THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MAYBE IN THE FUTURE IF THE CONDITIONS CHANGE COULD WE NOT KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD BUT IS THERE OPPORTUNITY TO TO MOVE IT TO THE OTHER BUILDING POTENTIAL THERE COULD BE WE COULD LOOK AT I THINK OVERALL I'M JUST HAPPY TO SEE DEVELOPMENT WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF APPLICANTS COME TO US LOONG FOR DELAYS IN DEVELOPMENT AND I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT SEEING THAT DELAY WITH THIS. SO OVERALL WE'RE IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICATIONS AS STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED COMMISSIONER CURRY THANK CHAIR YEAH I WOULD GENERALLY AGREE I THINK YOU KNOW I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ADDITIONAL IN THE AREA I VISITED THE GROCERY STORE TODAY AND IT WAS FAIRLY QUIET SO I CAN I SEE THE VALUE IN WANTING TO SUPPORT THEM OBVIOUSLY BUT I THINK IF YOU WANT TO CREATE A NEIGHBORHOOD ATMOSPHERE YOU GOT TO HAVE MORE THAN A GROCERY STORE AND A COFFEE SHOP. SO AND I THINK BRINGING COMPLEMENTARY RETAIL I MEAN MOST RETAIL I THINK IN BLOOMINGTON IS ANCHORED BY A GROCERY STORE. SO YOU KNOW, THERE SHOULD BE COMPLEMENTARY RETAIL TO THIS BUT SOOU KNOW I THINK AS LONG AS THERE IS YOU A FINER LENS POINTED ON MORE RETAIL ON THE FUTURE PHASES OF THE AREA I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF THE DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE YOU KNOW I THINK I MY MY INSTINCT AND MY REACTION TO THIS IS YEAH YOU KNOW THERE'S SOME GOOD THINGS HERE. I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE WITH THE TREATMENT OF THE TRANSPARENCY THE PARKING ON AMERICAN BOULEVARD THAT BY NATURE AMERICAN IS A MORE PEDESTRIAN HOSTILE ENVIRONMENT THAN SOME OF THE INTERIOR STREETS IN BC'S SO YOU KNOW NOT QUITE THE SAME BUT IT'S NOT THAT YOU KNOW NOT TERRIBLE THE WALKOUTS ARE A NEW THING I DON'T HAVE AN OPINION ON THAT. I THINK IT'S WORTH AND STRUGGLING WITH I DON'T THE IDEA FOLKS HAVE LISTENED OVER TIME IDEA OF PAING FLEXIBILITY IS FEWER PARKING GENERALLY ISN'T SUPPORTIVE BECAUSE I THINK IN GENERAL AS A CITY WE ARE OVER PARKED IN OUR STANDARDS ARE TOO HIGH. I THINK PARKING FLEXIBILITY MAKES SENSE IN A DENSER AREA WHERE PEOPLE ARE WALKING BUT WHERE ARE THEY WALKING TO? THEY MIGHT WALK ACROSS THE STREET TO A PARK BUT WE ARE NOT ONCE AGAIN WE'RE SHAVING OUT RETAIL. YOU KNOW THE DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE STREET CUT THE RETAIL BY I THINK A QUARTER. THIS ONE WAS ELIMINATING RETAIL ENTIRELY FROM THE ENTIRE THIS PHASE AND THE NEXT PHASE SO PEOPLE WERE LEFT TO TAKE THE TRAIN TO THE MALL WHICH IT'S NOT REALLY A PLACE THAT YOU GO TO TO RUN AN ERRAND OR TO PICK UP A COUPLE OF THINGS OR TO BE IN COMMUNITY. IT'S IT'S A IT'S A DESTINATION IT'S A IT'S AN ATTRACTION. IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT COMMUNITY. NO NO KNOCK ON THE MALL THE MALL IS A GREAT ASSET. IT'S JUST NOT NEIGHBORHOOD. SO AGAIN WE'RE STRIPPING OUT THE THINGS THAT MIGHT MAKE A NEIGHBORHOOD VERSUS JUST SIMILAR PLACES TO LIVE. SO I'M NOT A FAN OF OF THE TREATMENT 88TH AND A HALF I'M NOT A FAN OF THE ELIMINATION OF RETAIL. I THINK WE HEARD THAT THE DEVELOPER IS INTERESTED IN SUPPORTING THE SUCCESS OF THE GROCERY STORE BUT ANOTHER TYPE OF RETAIL IS DETRACT FROM A GROCERY STORE. ANOTHER GROCERY STORE WOULD ANOTHER OH OR A WALGREENS OR SOME SORT OF CONVENIENCE DRUG STORE? SURE THAT WOULD BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF TYPES OF RETAIL AND WHEN THE DEVELOPER IS THE DEVELOPER OF BOTH YOU CAN BE A LITTLE BIT SELECTIVE ABOUT WHAT YOU PUT THERE. SO IF THERE WERE OTHER THINGS THAT WERE ALIGNED WITH WHAT WE WANT FOR THIS WHOLE AREA I COULD BE CONVINCED TO OFFER FLEXIBILITY ON THE COURTYARD BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS HERE THAT ARE NOT WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THIS AREA AND THEN AGAIN NOT ABOUT THIS PROJECT SPECIFICALLY BUT I WOULD BE REMISS IF OTHER THAN SIDEWALKS THE OTHER THING I BRING UP ALL THE TIME IS YOU KNOW WE ARE BUILDING SENIOR HOUSING WITH DIFFERENT STANDARDS AND DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS AND WE WILL BE OVERBUILT WITH SENIOR HOUSING AT SOME POINT DEMOGRAPHIC FOLKS TELL US THAT AND WE DON'T YET HAVE THOUGHTS ON HOW GETS REUSED OR CHANGED AND I KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT NOT AN ACTIVE IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ASKED TO ANYTIME SOON BUT WE AGAIN WE CONTINUE TO BUILD THESE THINGS THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY WHAT CAN BE REUSED IN LONG TERM AS UNDER OUR CURRENT STANDARDS THIS WOULD NOT BE A APARTMENT BUILDING THAT WOULD MEET CODE OR STANDARDS. I SHOULDN'T SAY CODE WOULD NOT MEET OUR STANDARDS FOR GENERAL POPULATION SO I HAVE NOT MADE UP MY MIND BUT I'M NOT TOWARD A YES ON THIS COMMISSIONER. MR.. ALBRECHT THANK YOU, CHAIR. IF I MAY ASK A QUESTION OF STAFF YOU IN OUR WORK PLAN FOR 2024 OR 2025, WE DID TALK ABOUT PARKING STANDARDS AND MULTIFAMILY STANDARDS. CAN YOU MR. CENTENARIO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT BOTH OF THOSE PROJECTS AND HOW THEY WOULD POTENTIALLY IMPACT IF THOSE WERE TO HAVE BEEN ENTIRELY FLUSHED OUT THEORETICALLY WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF AN IMPACT ON PROPOSAL BEFORE WE GET INTO QUESTION? IT WAS SOMETHING I WAS GOING TO PLAN TO BRING UP IN OUR PARTNERSHIP DATE BUT WE DID SINCE OUR LAST MEETING I DIDN'TNCIL AND THE MULTIFAMILY STANDARDS UPDATE HAS BEEN DELAYED BY A YEAR BUT THE PARKING STANDARDS SETTING STANDARDS ARE STILL IN . OKAY. SO JUST SPECIFICALLY FOR PARKING WOULD IMPACT THIS APPLICATION AT ALL? SURE. COMMISSIONERS IS THE QUESTION THIS PROJECT IF IT MOVES ENTIRELY THROUGH THE ENTITLEMENT, WHAT WOULD THE IMPACT BE OR WHAT WOULD THE IMPACT BE IF WE DID ALL THAT WORK AND THEN APPLY NEW STANDARDS TO THE SITE YES. OKAY. THE SECOND VERSION REALLY REALLY HARD TO SAY BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'VE DONE A TON OF WORK IN THIS REGARD. YOU KNOW, GENERALLY SPEAKING PARKING REQUIREMENTS ARE GOING DOWN SOME COMMUNITIES I, I PERSONALLY I HAVE MY PERSONAL ON IT BUT SOME OF THESE ARE ELIMINATING PARKING REQUIREMENTS ALTOGETHER. I SUSPECT THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE CASE HERE BUT GENERALLY YOU KNOW, THE PARKING DEMAND THAT WE'RE SEEING TODAY IS JUST SLIGHTLY REDUCED FROM WHAT IT WAS EVEN TEN YEARS AGO. SO WE'LL SEE WHAT THAT BEARS OUT. BUT MY SUSPICION THAT THE PARKING QUOTAS COULD BE REDUCED A LITTLE BIT AND THEREFORE THE PARKING REQUIREMENT ON THIS SITE MAYBE WOULD THEN BE ENTIRELY COMPLIANT AND WOULDN'T NEED A DEVIATION. MAYBE THE DEVIATION IS SMALLER THAN WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. SO AND THE PARKING DEVIATION REQUEST JUST UNDER 10%. THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. THANK YOU. THE OTHER THING THAT I WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT YOU KNOW, THE YOU KNOW, APPROACH TO THE CURB LINE AND THE AMENIES AND T RETAI ALL THE THINGS THAT IT GOES ALSO TO WE ARE IT'S AN INTERESTING TENSION THAT WE FIND OURSELVES SOMETIMES WORKING WITH IS WE ARE A SUBURBAN COMMUNITY AND WE HAVE HOMES THAT ARE BUILT A CERTAIN WAY AND LOTS THAT ARE A CERTAIN AND BUT IN THIS PART OF THE CITY THIS IS A PART THE CITY THAT IS ENVISIONED DIFFERENTLY AND THAT'S HOW WE MEET GROWTH AND WE MEET SOME OF THAT WHILE ALSO PRESERVING AND AND REINVESTING IN PROTECTING THE PARTS OF THE CITY THAT ARE DIFFERENT. SO THAT WAS THE PART I FORGOT TO MENTION OTHER DISCUSSION ESPECIALLY COOD IN . THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. I WILL START WITH THE MATERIAL FLEXIBILITY AND. I'M IN FAVOR OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ON THAT. THERE'S NO PRECEDENT WHATSOEVER OF THIS COMMISSION OR THE CITY COUNCIL GIVING FLEXIBILITY ON THAT AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT TO NOT PURSUE IT. IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN SO I'M FINE WITH STAYING WITH PRECEDENT WITH THE MATERIAL AS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF REGARDING THE WALKABLE UNITS. IT'S ACTUALLY NOT NEW FOR BLOOMINGTON CTRAL STATION. ALMOST ALL OF THE PREVIOUS DEVELOPERS HAVE THAT. I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU I DON'T LIKE THEM. I THINK THEY'RE I THINK THEY'RE A BIT OF A NUISANCE TO BE COMPLETELY HONEST. THERE'S LOT OF SHOVELS AND KIDS TOY EQUIPMENT AND STUFF THAT GETS LIVED ON THESE THINGS AND I DON'T KNOW PERHAPS SOME PEOPLE MOVE TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, NOT SEE KIDS TOY EQUIPMENT AND THINGS AND SO I PERSONALLY AM NOT A FAN OF LOCKOUTS. IT'S NOT GOING TO STOP ME FROM, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER BUT. I DON'T LIKE WALKOUTS PERSONALLY PARTICULARLY IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND I DON'T THINK THEY FIT THE CHARACTER OF OF WHAT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS MEANT TO BE GOT A LOT OF REALLY PRETTY LANDSCAPING IN THE SIDEWALKS ARE NICE AND THEN THE LOCKER FRANKLY ARE A BIT OF A NUISANCE IN MY OPINION. MOVING ON I DON'T LIKE THE ELIMINATION OF RETAIL. I TOTALLY AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER CURRIE. I THINK COMPLIMENTARY RETAIL IS THE RIGHT ANSWER HERE. IF YOU HAD A SALON OR SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S DRIVING TRAFFIC THEY'RE NATURALLY GOING TO GO TO THE GROCERY STORE AND GET A FEW THINGS ON THEIR WAY HOME. I I'M NOT A DEVELOPER BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ARGUMENT OF STEALING RETAIL FROM A NEXT I SUSPECT AND I'M PURELY HERE BUT I WOULD SUSPECT THAT THEY'RE HAVING TROUBLE FILLING RETAIL THE COFFEE SHOP SPACE HAS BEEN EMPTY FOR 6 TO 9 MONTHS AND IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THERE'S A TON OF MOVEMENT ON THAT SO I SUSPECT THAT'S THE ANSWER. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE RETAIL . I THINK WE SHOULD TRY HARDER OR TRIED DIFFERENTLY OR MAYBE IT NEEDS TO BE QUICK SERVICE IN SOMETHING INSTEAD OF SOMETHING REALLY CUTE THAT WE LOVE EVEN MORE BUT LIKE PERHAPS WE NEED A TRIPLE A OR SOMETHING TO DRIVE TRAFFIC HELP THAT GROCERY STORE IF THE GROCERY STORE IS I DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S DOING FINANCIALLY BUT IF IT'S NOT DNG WELL MAYBE WE DO NEED TO CONSIDER SOMETHING THAT'S QUICK SERVICE. I'M NOT SAYING MCDONALD'S BUT PERHAPS SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN. THE SUPER CUTE COFFEE SHOP I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S JUST ME SPEAKING AS A RESIDENT, NOT A DEVELOPER. THIS PROPOSAL MR. CHAIR FEELS A LOT LIKE 700 AMERICAN WHICH WE SAW A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. I FEEL ALMOST THE EXACT SAME WAY ABOUT IT. IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT BUT THE THINGS THAT ARE THE SAME AS IT'S FIVE STORY ON OR IN THIS CASE FOUR STORIES ON PODIUM AND I WASN'T A FAN OF IT AT 700 AMERICAN I FELT LIKE THAT PARCEL WAS ONE OF OUR MOST PREMIUM AND I WAS DISAPPOINTED TO IN MY OPINION RELATIVELY LOW DENSITY SENIOR HOUSING TO GO AND THAT'S ONLY BECAUSE I THAT WORKS IN SO MANY PLACES WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT LYNDALE AT SOME TONIGHT AND THAT IS WHERE WE SHOULD BE SEEING FIVE STORIES OF SENIOR HOUSING IS THAT'S THE PLACE TO PUT IT ON ONE OF OUR MOST PREMIUM AND DESIRABLE PARCELS IN THE CITY I THINK IS IS DISAPPOINTING FOR ME AND. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SENIORS. I ACTUALLY THINK SENIORS ARE GOING TO HELP THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE'S MORE LOYAL TO RETAIL IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD THAN A SENIOR RIGHT. IF WE HAD A COFFEE SHOP YOU CAN IMAGINE THE SENIOR COFFEE GROUP THEY'RE GOING TO BE SUPER LOYAL TO THAT GROCERY STORE. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GO TO COSTCO TO SAVE WHATEVER FIVE BUCKS. THEY DON'T CARE. THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO THE LOCAL PLACE. SO I ACTUALLY THINK SENIORS ARE GOOD FOR THE RETAIL NEIGHBORHOOD BUT THAT'S NOT TO SAY I THINK IT'S THE PERFECT FIT HERE. THIS IS CERTAINLY MORE WALKABLE THAN 700 AMERICAN WHICH MAKES ME FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE BUT AGA NO DEVELOPER BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT SENIOR HOUSING IS JUST LIKE THE LOWEST HANGING FRUIT IN THE DEVELOPMENT WORLD NOW AND TO SEE IT GO HERE IN WHAT I BELIEVE TO BE MAYBE THE MOST PREMIUM PARCEL WE HAVE IN THE CITY RIGHT NOW, I FIND THAT BE DISAPPOINTING. THE OTHER CONCERN I HAVE AND THIS IS THIS IS ACTUALLY A REAL CONCERN FOR ME NOW AFTER HEARING THE CONVERSATION TONIGHT IS THE WINDOWS AROUND THE PARKING. I DIDN'T CATCH THAT WHEN I WAS STUDYING APPLICATION FOR THE MEETING TONIGHT BUT THE WHOLE POINT OF PUTTING ON THE STREET FRONT IN THESE URBAN NEIGHBORHOODS OF OURS IS TO ACTIVATE THE STREET. I GOT TO TELL YOU, I DON'T THINK LOOKING PARKED CARS ACTIVATES THE STREET. I THINK WE'RE TOTALLY MISSING THE INTENT OF THAT AND I DON'T KNOW MAYBE THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT FROM A CODE PERSPECTIVE IF MR. CENTENARIO HAS ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT HE CAN LET ME KNOW. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE MIGHT NEED TO LOOK AT AS A AS A CITY IS NOT ALLOWING THAT I APPRECIATE THE CREATIVITY IT'S BETTER THAN I GUESS LOOKING INTO A GARAGE BUT NOT REALLY. IT'S A PARKING GARAGE. I DON'T WANT TO LOOK AT CARS. I LIKE CARS AND I JUST DON'T THINK THAT MEETS THE INTENT OF HSR SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT THE POOL, THE FITNESS CENTER, THE THE RESTAURANT, THE RETAIL SPACE THAT'S THE POINT OF HAVING TRANSPARENCY ON THE GROUND LEVEL NOT TO LOOK AT PARKED CARS. I THINK THAT'S A HUGE DISAPPOINTMENT HERE IN OUR MOST WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD. I FIND THAT TO BE DISAPPOINTING UNFORTUNATELY WHERE I'M LIVE TONIGHT IS THE SAME PLACE I WAS AT 700 AMERICAN IS THAT WE HAVE FINDINGS TO MAKE AND THAT LANDOWNERS HAVE RIGHTS AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER I LIKE AN APPLICATION OR NOT BECAUSE THEY HAVE RIGHTS TO DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO IF IT'S CODE COMPLIANT AND THEY'RE LARGELY CODE COMPLIANT HERE. AND SO EVEN THOUGH I DON'T LIKE THIS APPLICATION I'M SURE I HAVE ANY AUTHORITY TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF IT AND. I KNOW YOU SAID YOU WERE QUESTIONING AND I APPRECIATE THAT DISCERNMENT AND IF YOU THINK THEY'RE NOT CHALLENGING YOU BUT IF YOU FEEL YOU HAVE SOMETHING IN THE FINDINGS WE CAN POINT TO TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THIS APPLICATION I'D BE VERY INTERESTED IN THAT BUT FROM WHERE I SIT I DON'T THINK I CAN FIND ANYTHING. MR GOLTZMAN I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF AROUND THE WINDOW GLAZING BECAUSE I THINK YOUR SPARKED SOMETHING IMY MIND AS WE HAVE THE WINDOWS O THE TRANSRENCYN THE WIOWS RHT SO THESE WILL WILL BE TRANSPARENT. OKAY SO THERE'S NO GLAZING ON THEM. OKAY. THANK YOU. SORRY I'M JUST THINKING OUT LOUD HERE. I'M SORRY COMMISSIONER GLAZING IS A FANCY ARCHITECTURE TERM FOR GLASS SO IT IS GLASS BUT IT'S TRANSPARENT WHICH WHAT I DON'T LIKE SO NOT FROSTED I DON'T THINK IT'S FROSTED REFLECTIVE IT'S GOING TO BE CLEAR GLASS AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE CARS DURING THE DAY. OH OKAY. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFICATION, COMMISSIONER CORY. THANK YOU CHAIR. I GUESS JUST LOOKING BACK AT THIS PLAN AGAIN, I MEAN IF WE IF WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE RETAIL I MEAN THE OUT LOT RIGHT TO IT IS PLANNED FOR 250 RESIDENTIAL UNITS AS WELL WITH NO RETAIL. SO IF I MEAN THE REASON I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A SUBSTATION ACROSS THE STREET BUT OTHER THAN THAT IS THERE A REASON WHY WE DECIDED TO BUILD A BUILDING THAT WAS INTENDED TO HAVE RETAIL WH NO RETAIL OR THERE'S ONE THAT'S INTENDED TO NOT HAVE RETAIL RIGHT NEXT TO IT. MR. CHAIR, I MAY BE ABLE TO ADD A LITTLE INSIGHT TO THAT AND THE PREMIUM PIECE THE CENTERPIECE OF BLUE INTO THE BLUE WHICH IS CENTRAL STATION IS PARK AND THE TRAIN STATION. AND SO HAVING IT IN PHASE FIVE, THE ONE WE'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT WHICH IS DIRECTLY OFF THE PARK, I THINK YOU'RE MORE LIKELY TO HAVE THAT PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC TO GO THERE INSTEAD OF WALKING LIKE DOWN THE STREET TO PHASE SIX AND WEST OF PHASE SIX THERE'S REALLY NOT MUCH ACTIVITY AND SO I, I CAN SEE WHY AND YOU KNOW WHEN THE FIRST VERSION OF THAT SORT OF THE MOST RECENT VERSION OF THE PDP CAME OUT WHY IT WAS MORE DESIRABLE TO BE IN PHASE FIVE BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT MORE VISIBILITY AND PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC. PHASE SIX I THINK WOULD BE MORE OF A STRETCH TO HAVE IT THERE THAN PHASE FIVE. BUT THAT'S JUST ME SITTING ON THE SIDELINES HERE. MR.. ALBRECHT THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS ON THE RETAIL SECTOR BECAUSE I AM OF DIFFERENT OPINION ON THAT AS AS I UNDERSTAND IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT, TYPICALLY WHEN YOU PUT MIXED USE WHERE IT'S ONE BUILDING WITH TWO USES RETAIL HOUSING IN YOUR PROFORMA YOU'RE BASICALLY YOU'RE UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT YOU'RE NOT GETTING ANY RENT. YOU'RE NOT GETTING VERY RENT FOR THAT SPACE BECAUSE THE CHANCES OF YOU TO FLIP IT SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY HAD TO DO WITH THE COFFEE SHOP IS HIGH. SO I BELIEVE IN MIXED USE. I DON'T BELIEVE IN VERTICAL MIXED USE. I BELIEVE IN HORIZONTAL MIXED USE AND THAT THE USES AROUND HERE COULD POTENTIALLY USE MORE RETAIL BUT I DON'T NECESSARILY BELIEVE THAT THE REQUIREMENTS SHOULD BE THAT THE RETAIL IS DIRECTLY BELOW HOUSING. I DON'T NECESSARILY BELIEVE THAT THAT WORKS VERY WELL WHEN YOU LOOK AT OTHER IN THE REGION. I THE SUCCESS RATE OF THAT IS NOT GREAT UNLESS YOU'RE LET'S SAY YOU'RE ON EXCELSIOR BOULEVARD BUT EVEN THEN THE ABSORPTION OF RETAIL HAS TAKEN I DON'T KNOW 15 YEARS AND SO MY CONCERN IS IF WE WANT ACTIVATION AT THE STREET IT'S IN MY OPINION IT'S BETTER EVEN COMMISSIONER COOKED IN IS LIKE THE WALK OUT UNIT. BETTER TO HAVE WALK OUT UNITS AND AN ACTIVATED STREET THAN AN EMPTY STOREFRONT FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. AND SO I'M COMFORTABLE ELIMINATING THE RETAIL WITH THE HOPES THAT WE CAN FIND SOME HORIZONTAL MIXED USE WITHIN THIS SPACE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. I HAVE AN ANSWER. I'M NOT A DEVELOPER BUT THAT WOULD BE MY HOPE. I DO I DO BELIEVE THAT. YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE SOME ADDITIONAL RETAIL ABSORBED THIS AREA I JUST DON'T NECESSARILY THINK IT HAS TO BE TIED TO MULTIFAMILY UNITS . MR. CHAIR, I APPRECIATE THAT THE COMMERCE COMMISSION ALREADY TO YOUR FAR MORE EDUCATED IN THIS THAN I AM AND SO I ALWAYS APPRECIATE YOUR THOUGHTS. ONE OF THE THINGS I ACTUALLY TALKED TO MR. CINCINNATI ABOUT EARLIER THIS MORNING WAS IN HSR DO WE REQUIRE RETAIL? AND THE ANSWER IS NO. WE DON'T. AND SO WHAT THEY HAVE PUT BEFORE US IS CODE COMPLIANT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. SO AS MUCH AS YOU KNOW MY MAYBE I'LL YOU KNOW I WOULD TO SEE RETAIL YOU WOULD NOT YOU KNOW IT'S OKAY TO DISAGREE ON THAT. THEY DON'T TO. AND SO IT'S IT'S THE PLANNING IS NOT GETTING WHAT WE WANT BASED ON OUR WISHES IT'S ABOUT DO THESE MEET CODE . AND FROM MY PERSPECTIVE GENERALLY SPEAKING THEY DO ME A CODE AND I THINK THAT'S WHY I'M IN . I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE APPLICATION ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER CURRY AS A NEWER PERSON ON THE THINKING CHAIR AS A NEW PERSON ON THE COMMISSION, ARE WE JUST HERE TO EVALUATE WHETHER SOMETHING IS CODE COMPLIANT OR NOT OTHERWISE? DO WE NEED A PLANNING COMMISSION TO GO THROUGH THESE OR ARE WE DOING HERE? FAIR FAIR QUESTION. AND I WILL ASK THE PLANNING MANAGER TO KIND OF GIVE A QUICK REFRESHER ON THE PYRAMID OF OF DISCRETION THIS IS THE AUTHORITY BUT IT'S NOT DISCRETION. YEAH. CHAIRMAN COMMISSIONER CURRY YEAH. IF YOU LOOK AT THE REALM OF APPLICATIONS YOU REVIEW SOME HAVE A LARGE AMOUNT OF DISCRETION AND OTHERS A LITTLE THIS TYPE OF APPLICATION. I WOULD CHARACTERIZE BEING SOMEWHAT IN THE MIDDLE BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY REQUESTS WHICH SOME DISCRETION. HOWEVER IF THERE ARE CONCERNS ON THE LEVEL OF FLEXIBILITY TYPICALLY THE REMEDY WOULD BE NOT TO SUPPORT THAT FLEXIBILITY REQUEST FOR EXAMPLE HERE WE HAVE PARKING DEVIATION. SO THE REMEDY WOULD BE WELL PROVIDE MORE PARKING AND YOU COULD DO THAT VIA CONDITION OR THE EXTERIOR MATERIALS THE REMEDY WOULD BE A CONDITION REQUIRING THAT CODE BE MET. SO I WOULD CHARACTERIZE THE DISCRETION CERTAINLY NOT AS HIGH BUT THERE'S SOME DISCRETION GIVEN THIS IS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT AND THAT THERE'S A DEVIATIONS THAT ARE REQUESTED. SO GIVEN THAT THERE ARE THREE REQUESTS FOR ACTION, CORRECT THE PROBABLY THE MOST DISCRETION IS WHETHER OR NOT TO RECOMMEND A REVISION TO THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN. CORRECT. JEROME AND LOOKING AT THE THREE APPLICATIONS INDIVIDUALLY ON THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT, THERE'S ACTUALLY NO DEVIATIONS REQUESTED AT IT MEETS ALL THE PARAMETERS LIKE TERMS OF HOW MANY THE DENSITY THE FLOOR AREA RATIO STANDARD THAT'S HARD CODE COMPLIANT SO NO DEVIATION REQUEST THERE ON THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN THERE ARE THE TWO DEVIATION REQUESTS DISCUSSED AND THEN THE THIRD APPLICATION MEETING THE PLAT PLAT IS AT THE LOWEST LEVEL OF DISCRETION AND IT'S REALLY JUST A QUASI JUDICIAL REVIEW OF YOU KNOW DOESN'T MEET THE STANDARDS. CAN WE MAKE THE FINDINGS SO THE MORE DISCRETION WOULD BE ON THAT FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION BUT AGAIN THE REMEDY IF YOU HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THE FLEXIBILITY PROPOSED WOULD TYPICALLY BE TO NOT OFFER THAT FLEXIBILITY. COMMISSIONER OAKTON THAT'S TRUE. THANKS. COMMISSIONER CURRY THE THE WAY I THINK ABOUT THIS IS YOU HAVE TO PUT YOURSELF IN THE POSITI OF THE APPLINT TOO AND AS MUCH AS I MAY NOT LIKE TH APPCATION HE RHTS AN WE KNO THA YOUE OPOSING THIS B APPLICANTS ED PTECTION THATE'RE N GOG T SITPERE JUST SAY YOU'RE GNG TO DO WHAT WE WANT BECAUSE I'M A PLANNING COISSIONER WE DON'T HAVE THAT TYPE OF AUTHORITY. AND SO THE CITY CODE AND WHATEVER IS SET UP SO THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE THESE FINDINGS THAT WE'RE FAIR TO APPLICANTS NOT ONLY THIS APPLICATION BUT WE'RE FAIR ACROSS APPLICANTS AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE POSITIONED UP HERE TO DO IS TO BE FAIR AND PROTECT THE PUBLIC BY MAKING SURE THESE ARE CODE COMPLIANT APPLICATIONS AND SO ON. SOME APPLICATIONS HAVE LOTS OF DISCRETION WHETHER IT'S YOU KNOW LIKE THAT PAWN PAWNSHOP APPLICATION HAD TONS OF DISCRETION ON THAT BECAUSE IT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF APPLICATION BUT IN THIS CASE WITH THERE BEING A SINGLE APPLICANT WHO HAS A LARGELY CODE COMPLIANT APPLICATION. WE UNFORTUNATELY IN MY OPINION BUT NOT UNFORTUNATELY GREATLY WE CAN'T SIT UP HERE AND JUST DO WHAT WE WANT. WE HAVE TO BE FAIR AND SO THAT'S HOW I'VE ARRIVED AT MY DECISION TONIGHT. MR.. ALBRECHT THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. AFTER HEARING A LITTLE OF THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PARKING DEVIATION, I AM COMFORTABLE WITH THAT AND I AM NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE DEVIATION OF USING SECONDARY MATERIAL INSTEAD OF PRIMARY WHERE REQUIRED. SO I AM COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD AS THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. AGAIN, I THINK I THINK THE THE SENSE OF OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING IS IS GOOD. I THINK IT'S IT'S IT'S GOOD TO HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ON THE HIGH LEVEL WHAT OUR VISIONS ARE AND THEN WE HAVE THE SOUTH LOOP PLAN COMING BACK FOR ON THE WORK PLAN THIS YEAR AND AGAIN I THINK COMMISSIONER COOKSON BUT IT WAS AT BEST YOU KNOW THERE ARE THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE WHETHER WE THINK THE BEST IDEA OR NOT. SO WITH THAT I WOULD IF WE COULD GET A SLIDE UP I WOULD THE QUESTION. ONE OTHER COMMENT MR. CHAIR. IT'S JUST I BEEN A LEARNING EXPERIENCE FOR ME THIS WITH THIS APPLICATION IS HOW LITTLE DISCRETION WE HAVE WITH PDP'S THIS APPLICANT NOT SAYING WELL I DON'T MEAN TO SINGLE THEM OUT LIKE THAT BUT YOU KNOW WE'VE A PDP JUST CHANGE IT IT JUST CHANGED AND I THOUGHT WE WOULD HAVE SOME AUTHORITY TO SAY NO, NO, NO, YOU TOLD US YOU WERE GOING TO DO THIS AND WE'RE GOING TO HOLD YOU TO IT AND I LEARNED WE CAN'T DO THAT AND I WOULD, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGE US TO CONSIDER THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD THAT WE SHOULDN'T ON A HYPOTHETICAL FUTURE APPLICATION WITH A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT WE SHOULDN'T MAKE DECISIONS ON INDIVIDUAL APPLICATION BASED ON THE HOPES OF A FUTURE PDP. I THINK WE NOW NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT PDP'S ARE NOT GOOD FOR MAKING DECISIONS OF TODAY. I THINK WHAT PEOPLE ARE GOOD FOR IS HAVE WE SIZED SEWER CORRECTLY THE CITY WORKS MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT WHATEVER ENOUGH LANES ON THE STREET SUPPORT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT I THINK THAT'S A PDP'S OR FOR THAT SOMETHING LIKE I'LL BEND ON RETAIL THIS TIME BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO GET IT IN THE NEXT PHASE. IT'S BEEN A LEARNING EXPERIENCE FOR ME THAT WE SHOULD NOT DO THAT AND WE NEED TO TREAT APPLICATIONS AS THEY STAND TODAY AND NOT PUT FAITH IN PDP'S BECAUSE THEY DON'T HOLD NEARLY MUCH GOOD CONFORM WHATEVER THEY DON'T HOLD THEIR FUTURE VALUE LIKE I THOUGHT THEY DID AND I THINK THAT'S I KNOW I'VE HAD COMMENTS IN THE PAST AS WE'VE HAD THINGS THAT HAVE COME BEFORE US THAT WERE SINGLE PARCEL PLAN DEVELOPMENTS WHICH FELT ARE PERHAPS NOT USED IN THE WAY THAT THEY SHOULD BE. THEY WERE OFTENTIMES USED TO AVOID VARIANCES AND IN NOT COMPLYING WITH THINGS. SO I THINK IN GENERAL IT MAY BE WORTH REEXAMINING HOW WE USE THEM AND HOW FREQUENTLY USE THEM AND WHAT THEY REQUIRE . ON THAT NOTE THEN WHEN WE'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION COMMISSIONER GOLTZMAN I I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION PLEASE IN CASE PEOPLE 2023-179 HAVING BEEN ABLE TO MAKE THE REQUIRED FINDINGS AND MOVE TO RECOMMEND TO THE COUNCIL APPROVAL OF A MAJOR REVISION TO THE PCC PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO REDUCE THE RESIDENTIAL UNIT COUNT FROM 250 TO 164 AND TO REMOVE THE RETAIL COMPONENT FROM THE BEAST FIVE MULTIFAMILY LOCATED AT 3001 AMERICAN BOULEVARD IS SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS AND REQUIREMENTS ATTACHED TO THE STAFF REPORT. SO A SECOND SECOND THANK YOU WITH A MOTION IN THE SECOND TO RECOMMEND MAJOR REVISION OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION IN FAVOR SAY I I OPPOSED MOTION COMMISSIONER CARY OR WHOEVER WANTS TO MAKE THE NEXT MOTION BECAUSE YOU'RE ALBRECHT THANK YOU CHAIR IN CASE P.L. 2023-179 HAVING BEEN ABLE TO MAKE THE REQUIRED FINDINGS I MOVED TO RECOMMEND COUNCIL APPROVAL OF FILE DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR A FIVE STORY 164 UNIT SENIOR APARTMENT BUILDING LOCATED AT 3001 AMERICAN BOULEVARD EAST TO THE CONDITIONS AND CODE REQUIREMENTS ATTACHED TO THE STAFF REPORT. SECOND THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS AT THE SUBJECT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION IN FAVOR SAY I I OPPOSED MOTION PASSES COMMISSIONER IN QUESTION MR. CHAIR IN CASE P.L. 2023-179 HAVING BEEN ABLE TO MAKE THE FINDINGS I MOVE TO RECOEND THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPT A RESOLUTION APPROVING A TYPE THREE PRELIMINARY AND FINAL PLAT TO CREATE ONE DEVELOP A LOT TO ACCOMMODATE A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND IN OUTLET LOT FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS AND CODE REQUIREMENTS IN THE STAFF REPORT. SO I CAN THANK YOU WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND TO RECOMMEND PRELIMINARY AND FINAL PLAT ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION IN FAVOR SAY I I OPPOSED THE MOTION CARRIES THESE ITEMS WILL APPEAR ON THE JANUARY 29TH CITY COUNCIL AND IN THE CONSENT REPORT THANK YOU ITEM NUMBER TWO IS A PUBLIC COMMENT OPPORTUNITY ON THE CITY'S PROPOSED ELECTRIC VEHICLE INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN AND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR HANSEN HAS THE PRESENTATION. MR. CHAIR, CAN I JUST CLARIFY THAT'S ON THE CONSENT AGENDA OF THE CITY COUNCIL? THAT IS CORRECT. AND OR THE COUNCIL INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS THE CITY COUNCIL CAN PULL ITEMS OFF OF THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR FURTHER RIGHT PERFECT. ALL GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. I'M HERE THIS EVENING TO DISCUSS WITH YOU THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN I WAS BEFORE THIS BODY HERE EARLIER THIS WINTER WITH THE DRAFT PLAN YOU GUYS PROVIDED ME GREAT FEEDBACK SO I WANT TO GIVE YOU A KIND OF AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE'RE AT AND WHAT WE'RE PLANNING ON GOING. AS I MENTIONED, WE WERE BEFORE YOU I WAS BEFORE YOU HERE EARLIER THIS YEAR SINCE WE MET WITH YOU. WE DID MEET WITH THE SUSTAINABILITY COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL IN A DISCUSSION FORMAT TO GET SOME ON THE DRAFT PLAN. WE TOOK THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED FROM ALL FOUR ALL THREE BODIES TO INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE FINAL PLAN WHICH WAS ATTACHED TO YOUR AGENDA ITEMS THIS EVENING. THE PLAN IS COMPLETE WITH THE ONE EXCEPTION OF THE ACKNOWLEDGMENTS PAGE IN THERE HAS NOT BEEN FILLED IN YET SRF IS STILL WORKING ON DRAFTING THAT WE'LLAVE THAT INCLUDED BEFORE THE PLAN IS BEFORE THE COUNCIL HERE AT THE END OF THE MONTH WE PRESENTED THE FINAL PLAN TO THE SUSTAINABILITY COMMISSION ON TUESDAY EVENING AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR A RECOMMENDATION OF ACCEPTANCE FROM THEM WHICH WE DID RECEIVE . SO BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING WITH THE SAME REQUEST OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN WE HOPE TO GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON JANUARY 29TH FOR THE FINAL PLAN HOPEFULLY FINAL ACCEPTANCE BY THE COUNCIL. SO THE NEXT STEPS FOR THE PLAN ASSUMING ADOPTION BY THE COUNCIL AT THE END OF THE MONTH WOULD BE FORM AN EV INFRASTRUCTURE IMPLEMENTATION GROUP AND THAT GROUP WOULD BE WOULD FIRST STARTED WORKING ON CREATING A MATRIX FOR IMPLEMENTATION BASED ON THE ACTION IDENTIFIED IN THE PLAN I ENVISION AS BEING SIMILAR TO THE THE GROUP THAT WE HAVE TOGETHER FOR THE LYNDALE AVENUE RETROFIT PLAN. WE HAVE STAFF THAT WORKS ON THAT TOO. WE MEET ON AN ANNUAL BASIS AND KIND OF TRACK THE PROGRESS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD. THE ACTION ITEMS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED IN PLANS WE'RE NOT JUST HAVING A PLANET SITTING ON A SHELF COLLECTING DUST AND THEN WE START TO BRING IN ACTUALLY THOSE NAMES TO BEFORE THE BODIES THE COMMISSION THE COUNCIL FOR ADOPTION AS WE KIND OF MOVE FORWARD IN OUR WORK. AND ALSO ONE THING THAT WAS ADDED TO THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY THAT WAS A SUGGESTION OF THE COUNCIL WAS TO REEVALUATE THE PLAN IN FOUR AND FIVE YEARS GIVEN THE CHANGING TECHNOLOGY JUST TO MAKE SURE THE PLAN IS STILL CURRENT AND RELEVANT AND IF THERE'S DIFFERENT FUEL TECHNOLOGIES THAT COME ON BOARD THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT WORKING OFF A PLAN THAT IS A TECHNOLOGY THAT MAYBE GOT LEFT BEHIND. SO JUST GIVE US THAT CHECK POINT TO MAKE SURE IT'S STILL RELEVANT AND ALSO IF WE NEED TO MAKE ANY ADDITIONS OR UPDATES THE PLAN AT THAT TIME, THAT WOULD BE A TRIGGER TO DO SO. SO THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY AS PART OF THE FINAL PLAN BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING. SO WITH THAT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OTHERWISE THE FINAL PLAN IS BEFORE SEEKING A MOTION OF OF OF RECOMMENDATION OF ACCEPTANCE TO THE COUNCIL AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU THE EXCELLENT WORK QUESTIONS FOR STAFF I ONLY I AND THERE WAS A SECTION IN THE REPORT WHERE YOU TALKED ABOUT THE DIFFERENT INTERFACES FOR CHARGING VEHICLES AND I THINK I'LL JUST MAKE SURE AGAIN I WAS READING IT QUICKER THAN I SHOULD HAVE. I THINK I WOULD MAKE SURE THAT SOMEHOW WE CAPTURE THAT THAT THAT IS KIND OF SETTLING IN ONE DIRECTION AND I THINK THERE'S STELLANTIS THE ONLY COMPANY THAT HASN'T ADOPTED AN AX AND WE SHOULD JUST SURE THAT WE'RE IF WE'RE PUTTING ANY RESOURCES PUBLICLY TOWARD SOMETHING THAT WE ARE PUTTING IT IN THE RIGHT PLACE OF WHERE THINGS ARE HEADED, NOT WHERE THINGS HAVE BEEN EXCELLENT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE WE HAVE THE PUBLIC OPPORTUNITY COMMISSIONER CARY THANK YOU. SURE. JUST QUICKLY I MIGHT HAVE MISSED IT BUT IT APPEARS THAT IN THE PLAN THAT IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY GET TO THE POINT OF ACTUALLY ARE INSTALLING ANY INFRASTRUCTURE OR PURCHASING VEHICLES OVER THE NEXT 3 TO 5 YEARS IS NOT NOTHING MIGHT HAPPEN. IS THAT THE CASE SIR? SO THE PLAN ITSELF IS NOT THE ADOPTION OF THE PLAN DOES NOT ALSO ADOPT INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS WITH THE PLAN BUT THE PLAN DOES IT GIVES STAFF A ROAD MAP TO ACTUALLY START TO WORK ON THOSE ITEMS SO. THAT'S WHAT I ENVISION WITH THE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE INFRASTRUCTURE WORKGROUP. SO BASED ON THE FEEDBACK THAT I RECEIVE FROM THE BOARDS AS WELL AS THE COUNCIL, I HAVE AN IDEA I WANT TO WORK WITH STAFF TO MAKE THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE AS FAR AS WHAT WE NEED TO BRING FORWARD FIRST TO GET THIS BALL ROLLING BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT COMPONENTS TO THIS SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE OVERNIGHT BUT THAT'S THE IDEAS. ONCE THE PLAN IS ADOPTED WE'LL ACTUALLY GET THE NUTS AND BOLTS AND WHERE THE RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD ACTUALLY STARTED YOU'LL SEE BEFORE YOU THAT WILL ACTUALLY LEAD TOWARDS EITHER IMPLEMENTATION IN CODE CHANGES THOSE TYPE OF THINGS THAT WE CAN DO. SO THANK YOU. THE OTHER QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. AT THIS POINT THIS IS AN ITEM AVAILABLE FOR A PUBLIC COMMENT OPPORTUNITY SO I WOULD OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT OPPORTUNITY . GO AHEAD AND SIGN IN AND YOU KNOW THE DRILL. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ADDRESS YOU ALL COMMISSIONERS. THAT WOULD BE FINE. MY NAME IS BRUCE COLTON. I LEARNED ABOUT THIS MEETING ABOUT 3 HOURS AGO. 4 HOURS AGO? I GUESS SO I'M HERE JUST TO GIVE MY INPUT IS PRIMARILY FACTUAL BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT MOST PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LIKE TO HEAR BUT THEY SHOULD. ALL RIGHT. SO I'M GOING TO I'D LIKE GIVE A NICER PRESENTATION BUT I'M GOING TO READ OFF THIS PAPER BECAUSE I KNOW I'VE GOT LIMITED TIME AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TIME IS BUT JUST 3 MINUTES I GOT MY BACHELOR'S AND MASTER'S DEGREES AND COMPLETED MY DOCTORAL STUDIES AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING. I WAS THE DIRECTOR OF RESEARCH AND TECHNOLOGY CONTROL DATA OF GENERAL DYNAMICS CORPORATION. IN THAT CAPACITY I HAD SIX DOCTORAL LEVEL METEOROLOGISTS WORKING FOR ME ON ADVANCED CLIMATE AND FORECASTING TECHNOLOGY. I KNOW A LITTLE ABOUT THE SUBJECT OF CLIMATE CHANGE AND GREEN ENERGY. THE ONLY REASON TO BE DISCUSSING EVS IS BECAUSE OF A PERCEPTION NOT NECESSARILY A FACT THAT WE ARE FACING A CLIMATE EMERGENCY BEFORE YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT ME OR DISMISSING ME AS JUST CLIMATE DENIER REMIND OURSELVES OF MY INTRODUCTION. PLEASE. BUT I ADD THIS YOU KNOW 7090 7% OF SCIENTISTS BELIEVE THAT THE TEMPERATURE OF THE ATMOSPHERE IS RISING BUT ONLY MODERATELY AND NATURALLY AS WOULD BE EXPECTED BUT THERE IS BUT IS WHAT THEY WON'T TELL YOU AND THAT IS THAT 98% OF THOSE SAME SCIENTISTS DO NOT BELIEVE THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH HUMAN INDUSTRIALIZATION OR LIFESTYLE FACTORS. I'VE GOT 2 MINUTES TO TELL YOU WHAT THE MOVIES THAT THE MOVIES WILL MAKE THINGS NOT BETTER. THERE ARE MANY STUDIES THAT NEVER SEE LIGHT OF DAY IN OUR HIGHLY INFORMATION CONTROLLED MEDIA DRIVEN ENVIRONMENT. BUT OUT OF HUNDREDS OF STUDIES JUST LOOK AT FRANCE'S HIGH CLIMATE COUNCIL STUDY THEY CLAIMED THEY WOULD ACHIEVE CARBON EMISSION REDUCTIONS AND IN FACT INCREASED EMISSIONS. SOME WERE AS HIGH AS 70% OVER WHAT THEY EVEN REPORTED OR EVEN INITIALLY REPORTED BECAUSE OF THE MORE ACCURATE ACCOUNTING LATER A REVIEW OF 50 ACADEMIC STUDIES FOUND ESTIMATES FOR EMBEDDED EMISSIONS. THAT MEANS THE EMISSIONS YOU ACCUMULATE WHILE YOU'RE BUILDING THINGS BUILDING ELECTRIC VEHICLES, BUILDING THEIR BATTERIES TO FABRICATE A SINGLE EV BATTERY AS HIGH AS 20 TONS OF CO2. THAT'S ABOUT THE AMOUNT USED IN A LIFETIME OF AN EFFICIENT VEHICLE AN EFFICIENT FUEL BURNG VEHICLE CONVENTIONAL CAR. REMEMBER THAT IS THAT'S BEFORE THE EVS ARE DELIVERED THE CUSTOMER. TO MAKE ONE EV BATTERY REQUIRES 250 TONS OF EARTH'S CRUST BE MINED. THAT'S ABOUT ú500,000. THAT'S FOR ONE HEAVY BATTERY. IF YOU GO ON THE INTERNET YOU'RE GOING SEE ALL SORTS OF FACT CHECKING AND JUST, YOU KNOW, PUTTING IT DOWN AND SAYING OH, THIS IS EXPANDED BUT THIS IS FROM MULTIPLE PAPERS. IT'S NOT FROM AUSTRALIA. I WENT AND LOOKED AT IT. I COULDN'T BELIEVE IT BUT SO ú5,000 OF EARTH FOR ONE BATTERY. THEN YOU HAVE TO TRANSPORT ABOUT 50 TONNES OF OR TO PROCESS AND SEPARATE OUT THE TARGETED MATERIALS. THERE ARE MANY STUDIES RESULTS ALL OF WHICH SHOW THE FOLLY OF THINKING E-VEHICLES GOING TO HELP THE ENVIRONMENT. I HAVEN'T EVEN TALKED ABOUT THE ENERGY DONE THAT DENSITY WHERE EVS LOSE FOSSIL FUEL BEING 17 TIMES MORE EFFICIENT. REMEMBER YOU HAVE TO CHARGE THEM ALSO. COAL BURNING BURNING COAL . ANYONE WANT TO CREATE A LIGHT TO DO THAT TO CREATE ELECTRICITY ANYWAY THERE'S ALSO ISSUES OF SLAVERY. ELON MUSK HAS ORDERED IT WANTS 25% OF THE LARGEST COBALT PRODUCER. 70% THE CHINESE ARE AFTER THAT. YOU'RE ON A VERY TENUOUS PRECIPICE AND GOVERNMENT SHOULDN'T PUSHING TECHNOLOGIES BY ENCOURAGING THEM OR GETTING AHEAD OF THE MARKETPLACE LET THE MARKET DECIDE. SO I RECOMMEND VERY STRONGLY THAT YOU GIVE A RESOUNDING NO TO RECOMMENDING ENHANCING THIS EV VEHICLE PARADE THAT WERE ON AND I'D SAY THAT IN THE WORDS OF A VERY ESTEEMED LEADER JOE BIDEN DON'T DO IT. DON'T DO IT. JUST YOU KNOW, IT'LL FIND ITSELF IS COMING ALONG 2000 TO YOU DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GOING TO SUPPLANT EVERYTHING EVEN THERE. DON'T GET IN FRONT OF THE TECHNOLOGY YOU CAN SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING YOU SAW IT HAPPEN THIS WEEK AND YOU CAN SEE ELON MUSK LOSING HIS SHIRT. THIS IS A MEDIA THING THAT'S HAPPENED TO US. JUST BE JUST BE CONSERVATIVE, THAT'S ALL. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET OUT IN FRONT. THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION. A RESOUNDING NO TO RECOMMENDING THAT THEY GO FORWARD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK DURING THIS PUBLIC COMMENT OPPORTUNITY ? NO. SO SEEING THAT I WOULD CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT OPPORTUNITY AND LOOK FOR ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR EMOTION. I THINK I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HEARD FROM BOTH STAFF AND FROM THAT THE COMMENT WE HEARD IS THAT THE PLAN ITSELF AND COMMISSIONER CORY ASK THE QUESTION THE PLAN DOESN'T SAY WHAT SPECIFICALLY WILL BE DONE. AND SO I THINK THAT DOES GIVE THE WE HEARD THAT FROM STAFF THE ABILITY TO BE FLEXIBLE AND TO REACT AS THE MARKET CHANGES AS TECHNOLOGY CHANGES AS AS FACTS AND SCIENCE. NEW INFORMATION IS LEARNED AND DEVELOPED. SO I THINK THAT WE'RE ADAPTING WHICH REALLY MORE OF A FRAMEWORK THAN A SPECIFIC PLAN IS WHAT WE'RE ASKED TO ADOPT IN MY OPINION. CHRISTOPHER COOKTOWN. THANKS MR. CHAIR. I THINKNE PART OF THE PLAN THATS A LITTLE ME CONCRE IS THE OTHE SS FET IT SOMETHIN ISKED A AUT A FEW WEEKS AGO THAT'S O THING I' NOT AS CRAZY ABOUT. I MEAN I GENERAL AM IN FAR OF THIS PLAN. I THINK IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE THAT IT'S REASONABLE ALL OF THE THINGS BUT OUR SEAS FLEET I DON'T FIND FLEETS TO BE GENERALLY CANDIDATES FOR ELECTRIFICATION YOU KNOW THE WAY YOU GET MORE RANGE OUT OF ELECTRIC VEHICLE IS TO ADD MORE BATTERIES. THERE'S NO MAGIC POTION. YOU JUST YOU ADD MORE BATTERIES AND YOU GET MORE RANGE AND THE CITY I BELIEVE IS ALREADY ORDERED WITH TEN F-150 LIGHTNINGS OR SOMETHING THAT AN ENORMOUS RANGE LIKE 300 MILES OR SOMETHING AND THAT'S JUST MORE THAN THE CITY NEEDS FROM A RANGE STANDPOINT. AND SO WHAT REALLY DONE IS JUST BECAUSE BATTERIES ARE HARD ON THE ENVIRONMENT THAT IS TRUTH AND SO WHAT WE'VE REALLY DONE IS TAKEN A LOT OF BATTERIES AND THEY'RE JUST GOING TO SIT THERE CHARGED ALMOST ALL TIME AND SO LIKE ELECTRIC VEHICLES, ELECTRIC VEHICLES DEFINITELY MAKE SENSE IN A LOT OF CIRCUMSTANCES. I DON'T FIND FLEETS BE GENERALLY GOOD CANDIDATES FOR THOSE IF YOU KNOW IF WE JUST GET CARS DRIVING AROUND THE CITY EITHER BUT 20, 30 MILES A DAY YOU COULD DO THAT WITH A MUCH SMALLER BATTERY AND SO MAYBE IT'S NOT OUR TRUCKS BUT OUR PERSON OR A PASSENGER VEHICLES. YOU GET A NISSAN LEAF WITH A 40 MILE RANGE AND THAT'S EIGHT TIMES LESS BATTERY YOU'RE PUTTING INTO A VEHICLE THAN THESE GIGANTIC F-150S. AND SO THIS ISN'T THE PLACE FOR IT THERE ARE OTHER AVENUES TO ADVOCATE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT I JUST DON'T FIND OUR CITY FLEET TO BE A GENERALLY A GREAT CANDIDATE ELECTRIFICATION BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO STOP ME FROM SUPPORTING THIS APPLICATION. COMMISSIONER CORY I DON'T KNOW MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE ASKED THIS AS A QUESTION EARLIER BUT PREVIOUSLY WHEN WE DISCUSSED THIS I THINK WE THERE'S I BROUGHT UP THE TOPIC OF KIND OF A RETURN ON BECAUSE THE PERCEPTION IS THAT ELECTRIC FIELD ELECTRIC VEHICLES ARE EXPENSIVE AND MAYBE THAT'S THE REALITY. I DON'T KNOW. THE COMMENTARY IN RETURN WAS AH YES THE MAINTENANCE COSTS IN THE LONG TERM WILL OUT YOU KNOW WE'LL PAY FOR THE COST OF THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE AND I THINK THAT WAS GOING TO BE ADDRESSED. I JUST DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE PLAN SO I GUESS I WOULD HOPE THAT THE CITY WOULD TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT WHAT IS THE ACTUAL IS THERE ACTUALLY A RETURN ON INVESTMENT IN ELECTRIFYING THE FLEET THAN IT IS JUST CHEAPER TO MAINTAIN LONG TERM SO THERE'S JUST KIND OF GENERAL COMMENTARY I THINK IF I COULD. MR. JARRETT COMMISSIONER, THAT'S A GREAT POINT. I KNOW THAT PRIOR TO THE THE WORK THE PLAN BEGINNING THAT OUR FLEET STAFF GO AND DO AN ANALYSIS OF THEIR FLEET. SO THAT'S KIND OF ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THIS PLAN IS THAT THERE WAS SOME WORK THAT WAS BEING DONE PIECEMEAL BY DIFFERENT DIVISIONS. SO THAT WAS ONE EXAMPLE OF THEY MET AND KIND OF IDENTIFIED CANDIDATES FOR ELECTRIFICATION WHEN THOSE VEHICLES CAME DUE. SO THINK ONE THING AS PART OF THIS PLAN THAT WE WANT TO DO IS REVISIT THAT CITYWIDE AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT PLAN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ON THE SAME TRACK OR ON THE RIGHT TRACK ON THAT POINT THAT IF WE TO MODIFY IT TO MR. KIRKLAND'S POINT, THE TYPE OF VEHICLES THAT WE BRING IN FOR REPLACING INTERNAL COMBUSTION VEHICLES WITH ELECTRIC VEHICLES BUT WE TAKE A FINER LENS TO THAT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT KIND OF BATTERIES WE NEED AND. IS THE F-150 LIGHTNING THE BEST ROUTE OR IS THERE ANOTHER VEHICLE THAT CAN PROVIDE THAT ELECTRIC VEHICLE CAPACITY BUT MAYBE NOT AS MUCH BATTERY AND NEED THAT MUCH POWER? THAT'S A GOOD THING FOR MR. CHAIR. IT'S NOT REALLY MY PLACE TO SAY THIS BUT THAT'S WHERE THE MAGIC OF THE THE PLUG HYBRID REALLY COMES IN . YOU GET A SMALL BATTERY THAT'S MAYBE 30 OR 40 MILES THAT GETS YOU 90% OF WHAT A FLEET VEHICLE NEEDS JUST DRIVING AROUND BLOOMINGTON AND IF A FEW TIMES A YEAR A GAS ENGINE NEEDS TO KICK ON EACH OF OUR LAST TEN MILES BACK TO CITY HALL MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE THAN THIS ENORMOUS F-150 LIGHTNING BATTERY THAT WE NEVER IT'S A I WILL THIS IS I WILL I'M VENTURING INTO ON THIS IS A THAT'S THAT'S THE I THINK THE BEAUTY OF ANYTIME WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THINGS LIKE THIS IS THE ANSWER IS RARELY ALL NOTHING THE ANSWER IS RARELY THIS IS THE GOLDEN TICKET THE MAGIC BULLET. THE ANSWER IS OFTEN ALL OF THE ABOVE AND SO YOU KNOW IS IS AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE GREAT FOR EVERYBODY KNOW IS A IS IS A COMBUSTION ENGINE RIGHT AND CERTAINLY SITUATIONS YES YOU KNOW THINK ABOUT TRAINS OR TRAINS THAT REQUIRE ENERGY BUT THEY'RE A VERY EFFICIENT IT'S HIGHLY UNLIKELY UNLESS YOU DO OVERHEAD ELECTRIC LINES YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE BATTERY OPERATED TRAINS. YOU KNOW, IN OUR CLIMATE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GOING AFFORDABLY PROBABLY ELECTRIFY MOST HOMES 24 SEVEN BECAUSE IN THE COLD WEATHER LIKE WE'RE HAVING NOW IT JUST DOESN'T THE TECHNOLOGY ISN'T THERE SO BUT THERE'S THERE'S YOU KNOW HYBRID THINGS LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND. SO I THINK IT'S REALLY A GOOD REMINDER THAT TO ANYONE WHO CLAIMS THAT THE ANSWER IS ALL OR NOTHING ONE OR THE OTHER THE REALITY IS IT'S IN THIS TOPIC OR ANY TOPIC IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING. YEAH. MR. CHAIR, FOR ME IT'S ABOUT RIGHTSIZING THE VEHICLE TO THE JOB AND ONE THING YOU KNOW I WORK AT AN ESTABLISHMENT THAT'S VERY CONCERNED THE ENVIRONMENT IS TRYING TO DO THINGS AND ONE THING I ENCOURAGE OUR LEADERSHIP TO DO IS TO TAKE CHANCES. THERE ARE A LOT OF EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES WE DON'T KNOW AND WE CAN EITHER BE TOO CONSERVATIVE AND THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT ANSWER EITHER. AND SO LET'S TAKE SOME CHANCES. SOME F-150 LIGHTNING. THAT'S FINE. THAT'S A GOOD CHANCE TO TAKE LET'S TRY SOME OTHER THINGS. LET'S TRY ONE WITH A REALLY SMALL BATTERY AND SEE IF THAT WORKS AND IF WE FAIL THAT'S OKAY. WE FAIL QUICK AND WE MOVE ON AND SO LIKE LET'S NOT GET ON ONE AVENUE, LET'S TRY TO RIGHT SIZE, TAKE SOME CHANCES AND SEE IT TAKES US IT MAY BE THAT IF ENOUGH ORGANIZATIONS ARE SIGNALING THEY'RE INTERESTED IN SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THE MARKET MAY THEN PROVIDE VEHICLES THAT ARE THE F 149 THAT GOES 49 MILES COMMISSION GOLDSON AND GET YOU'RE JUST THINKING ABOUT KNOW KIND OF SWITCHING GEARS HERE ONE THING I LIKED ABOUT THIS PLAN IS REALLY THINKING ABOUT WHAT WHAT LOCATIONS OR WHAT DO WE FIND IS ACCEPTABLE FOR THIS ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING I KNOW WHEN WE TALKED DURING THE STUDY SESSION WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING YOU KNOW, CURBSIDE VERSUS IN THE PARKS OR IT ON YOU KNOW, A CITY PREMISE AND SO I, I LOOK AT IT AS A AN AMENITY OUR RESIDENTS THAT DO CHOOSE TO HAVE ELECTRIC VEHICLES IF IT MAKES SENSE FOR THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES. BUT I LIKE THAT THERE'S AT LEAST SOME STRUCTURE AROUND WHAT DO WE WANT AS A CITY TO HAVE THAT AMENITY FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND THEN HOW THAT WILL BE IMPLEMENTED WILL BE FURTHER ON DOWN THE ROAD. SO THAT'S ONE THING THAT THAT I THINK IN GENERAL IS A FRAMEWORK IT'S NOT THE ACTUAL IMPLEMENTATION. SO OVERALL WILL BE SUPPORTING AND I AGREE EVERYONE HAS DIFFERENT MOBILITY NEEDS IF I WAS A BETTER HUMAN I WOULD BIKE TO WORK EVERY DAY BUT YOU KNOW IT JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN SO SOMEDAY I'LL GET THERE. COMMISSIONER ESSER I PERSONALLY DRIVE ELECTRIC VEHICLE AND THE KIND SIR WE SPOKE I FORGOT YOUR NAME BUT A LOT OF THE THINGS DID SAY I KNOW YOU MENTIONED IN THE BEGINNING THAT IT'S FACTUALLY BASED. I CAME TO REALIZE THAT ACTUALLY ALMOST EVERYTHING HE SAID IS IS IS PRETTY AND I GUESS MY QUESTION IS FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT, IF THE CITY DID, YOU KNOW, A COMPREHENSIVE COMPARISON OF WHETHER GAS ELECTRIC VEHICLES ARE INDEED MORE OR BETTER FOR THE ENVIRONMENT THAN GAS TRADITIONAL GAS BURNING VEHICLES. YEAH. THANK YOU CHAIR COMMISSIONER. THAT'S A BIG QUESTION WE DIDN'T GO INTO THE DETAIL OF OVERALL I CAN'T TELL YES OR NO BUT WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN SUSTAINABILITY ENVIRONMENTAL THAT THE CITY HAS SPECIFICALLY FOR GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS. SO OUR SUSTAINABILITY COMMISSION OR SUSTAINABILITY COORDINATOR WAS PART OF OUR TECHNICAL COMTTEE. SO T PLAN DOE INCLUDE INFORMATION RARDING GREENHOUSE GASES. SO AS WITH A LOT OF THESE KIND OF HIGH LEVEL PLANS THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT AREAS THAT ARE PULLING AT THIS. SO THERE'S THE YOU KNOW, DESIRE TO PROVIDE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO HAVE THE THE CHARGING BUT THERE'S THE DESIRE TO REDUCE GREENHOUSE GASES IN THE CITY. THERE'S ALSO A DESIRE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE EQUITABLY PLACE. SO YOU KNOW, TRYING TO FIND THAT AREA WHERE YOU CAN ADDRESS ALL THOSE THINGS SO THERE IS SOME THERE'S DEFINITELY GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS BENEFITS TO HAVING ELECTRIC VEHICLES. BUT TO YOUR POINT THERE'S ALSO YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO PRODUCE THATLECTRICITY CHARGE THEM AND THAT COMES FROM SOMEWHERE TOO. SO YOU KNOW, THINKING ABOUT THOSE BUT IN TERMS OF THIS PLAN WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME OF THOSE BUT I CAN'T GIVE YOU AN OVERALL YES. THERE'S A NET POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE FOR THE ENVIRONMENT. THIS IS JUST SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY AVAILABLE TO CHARGE VEHICLES IS A B COME ON AS THEY COME ONLINE AND BECOME YOU KNOW MORE POPULAR AND MORE PREVALENT AND THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHARGERS AND HAVE FRAMEWORK IN PLACE DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE GOING TO GO OUT TOMORROW AND CERTAIN CHARGERS ALL OVER THE CITY BUT IT DOES MEAN THAT WE'RE HOPEFULLY GOING TO HAVE A FRAMEWORK TO ALLOW THEM AS THE MARKET DEMANDS TO BE ABLE TO INSTALL MORE CHARGERS AND HAVE A PLAN TO DO SO DEFINITELY. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. AND ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT I WAS KIND OF WONDERING IS WITH LITHIUM BATTERIES ARE MOST ELECTRIC VEHICLES DURING THE WINTER ESPECIALLY LIKE THE COLD FRONT OR STREAK WE HAD OVER THE PAST WEEK THAT THE BATTERY REALLY QUICK YOU KNOW SO I KNOW THERE IS RECOMMENDATIONS OR YOU RECOMMENDATIONS TO HAVE VEHICLES THAT HAVE LESS CHARGING RANGE I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE IT NOT NOT ESPECIALLY IN THE WINTER YOU KNOW HAVE IT AT A AT A GOOD RANGE IF YOU KNOW ONCE ONCE THE PLAN IS IMPLEMENTED AND IT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION BUT ALSO WHEN THE BATTERIES ARE MINED THEY DO ALSO HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON, YOU KNOW THE ENVIRONMENT AND THERE'S A BUNCH OF LIKE THE CONCERN WAS SAYING A BUNCH OF HUMAN RIGHTS ISSUES THAT ARE GOING ON WITH LIKE IN CONGO SPECIFICALLY AND SOME OTHER AREAS THAT THESE BATTERIES ARE MINED OR YOU KNOW THE COBALT IS LIKE THAT THAT'S PRODUCED. I THINK WE SHOULD ALSO BE MINDFUL OF THAT AND WE TEND TO FORGET THAT WHEN YOU KNOW, WE WE LOOK AT KIND OF JUST YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU KNOW, COMPARING A GAS VEHICLE VERSUS A ELECTRIC VEHICLE AFTER PRODUCTION WHEN IT'S ON THE ROAD AND YEAH I THAT'S THAT'S JUST MY COMMENTS. YEAH THEY COULD CHECK ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION OR COMMISSIONER CURRIE THANK CHAIR I ONE LAST THOUGHT JUST REGARDING PLANNING GOING FORWARD THE DOCUMENT DID I ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT OF CHARGING AT MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS AND IT KIND OF MAKES ME THINK JUST FINALLY TONIGHT IS WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR THIS AND IS THIS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY IS COULD POSSIBLY BE OVERREACHING AT SOME POINT IF THEY REQUIRED THIS TO HAPPEN ON PRIVATE PROPERTY ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF COMMISSIONER COOKSON'S PROPERTY OWNER RIGHTS COME AND SAY YOU KNOW WE IN MY TIME ON THE COMMISSION WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT AT ONE POINT COMMISSIONER GOLTZMAN TIME ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THAT A CERTAIN LEVEL OF EITHER READINESS OR PROVISION OF OF THAT KIND OF INFRASTRUCTURE SHOULD BE A STANDARD IN OUR CODE . AND AT THAT TIME THE COMMISSION FELT THAT NO THAT WAS NOT THE RIGHT THING TO DO AND SO THAT WOULD IF IN ORDER TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT YOU'D HAVE TO REALLY COME BACK EITHER AS A YOU'D HAVE TO THE CODE OR IT COULD BECOME AN INCENTIVE AND OUR LIST OF THINGS THAT WE DO TO INCENTIVIZE OPPORTUNITY HOUSING COMMISSIONER TO YEAH LET'S TURN TO THAT POINT. I THINK MR. CARY AND SOME OF OUR MOST RECENT APPLICATIONS SEEING APPLICANTS PUT THOSE CHARTERS IN ON THEIR OWN ACCORD IT'S AN ATTRACTIVE THING TO THEIR RESIDENTS AND SO I THINK THE MARKET ITSELF IS KIND OF HANDLING THAT WE'RE CHARTERS ARE GOING IN . I'M CURIOUS THE ONE TONIGHT HAD ONE WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THAT BUT SOME OF THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS IN BCS HAVE PUT CHARTERS IN JUST BECAUSE THEY THINK IT'S A GOOD BENEFIT TO THEIR RESIDENTS. MICHIGAN MR. CHAIR, THANKS MR. . FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT CHARGING DESIGN AND WHAT WE MIGHT SEE OR WHAT THIS DOCUMENT MAY LEAD US TO FOR SOME SORT OF DESIGN STANDARDS FOR THESE STATIONS? YEAH. THANK YOU CHAIR COMMISSIONER, I THE FIRST QUESTION THAT WE NEED TO ANSWER IS THE CITY IN THE FEEDBACK THAT I HAVE RECEIVED YOURSELVES THE SUSTAINABILITY COMMISSION AS WELL AS THE COUNCIL IS REALLY IDENTIFY WHERE IN THE PUBLIC REALM THAT WE SEE THESE CHARGERS INSTALLED IN THE CITY. I'VE GOTTEN FEEDBACK JUST FROM OUR DISCUSSIONS IN THE IN IN STUDY SESSIONS THE GENERAL FEEDBACK I'VE RECEIVED IS LUKEWARM ON CURBSIDE CHARGING I GET I DON'T WANT TO CHARACTERIZE THAT WOULD BE COMING BACK BEFORE YOU AS A FORMAL ITEM THAT WE WOULD IN MORE DETAIL BUT I'VE GOT THE IMPRESSION I'VE BEEN IS THAT THERE'S MORE OF A DESIRE TO MAYBE HAVE THE HAVE THESE OFF THE CURBSIDE SO MAYBE AGAIN IN PUBLIC PARKS OR IN CITY FACILITIES WHERE WE HAVE THOSE AND THEN MAYBE IT'S JUST THAT WE HAVE THE FRAMEWORK IN PLACE TO ALLOW THE PRIVATE MARKET TO DECIDE IF THEY WANT INSTALL THEM OR MAYBE AS A CITY WE GO OUT AND SEEK SOMEONE THAT WILL INSTALL THESE CHARGERS. SO I THINK THOSE ITEMS ARE WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO GET INTO AND I'M EXCITED TO START TO GET TO WORK ON THAT. I THINK THE FIRST KIND OF BIG QUESTION I'M THINKING OF PROPOSING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION GROUP IS WHERE IN THE PUBLIC REALM THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY DO WE AS A CITY WANT TO HAVE THESE AND WHA DO WEEED TO DO TO FACILITATE THAT WHETHER THAT BE LIKE I SAI SKING OUT SOMEONE THAT WILL INSTALL THEM FOR US OR MAKING I AVLABL AND IDENTIFYING LOCATIONS WHERE WEOULDIKE HAVE SOMEONE ITALL THEM THOSE WOULD BE THEIRST ESONS THINKE'LL ND TO ANSR. MR.HAIRHANK ES THIS PLAN RECOMMENDNY ESTHETIC DESIG STANDAR FOR NEW CRGER, NEW CRGING BLOCKS? SO AND THE A T ASSOCIAD INFRASTRUCTURE I THINK IS ALLY PROBABLYHE BIGGER QUESTION THINK IS ONE THAT WE'VE HAD CONVERSATION ABOUT I DON'T KW ONLINE OR OFFNE ABOUT THE CHARGERS THEMSELVES ARE ONE THING UP ESPECIALLY IN THE LEVEL THREE AND THEN THERE'S THE MASSIVE TRANSFORMERS THAT ARE JUST KIND OF PLOPPED THERE THAT ARE A BIT OF AN EYESORE AND I AND THANK YOU CHAIR COMMISSIONER I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN ONE OF YOUR TALK ABOUT THAT MATRIX STANDARDIZING THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO PROBABLY HAVE TO TACKLE AT THE FOREFRONT IS WHAT IS THAT DESIGN LOOK LIKE BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING TO BE SEEKING OUT OR MAKING AVAILABLE YOU KNOW, THE OPPORTUNITY TO INSTALL THESE CHARGERS IN PUBLIC SPACES THINK WE WANT TO KNOW AS A CITY WHAT WE WANT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE AND HOW WE WANT THOSE TO BE INSTALLED SO THAT'S DEFINITELY A QUESTION THAT WITH THAT IMPLEMENTATION GROUP THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN HIT THE GROUND RUNNING ON AND START TO WORK ON TO HAVE THAT STANDARD AVAILABLE SO THAT WHEN WE SEEK OR IF WE DO SEEK OUT INSTALLERS THEY KNOW HAVE THAT INFORMATION UPFRONT. YEAH I WOULD SAY THIS COMMISSIONER IS VERY SUPPORTIVE OF DESIGN STANDARDS SO WE DON'T GET WE HAVE A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES OR AT LEAST ONE THAT IS AWFUL AND I WOULD TAKE THAT A STEP FURTHER. I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE ABOUT HANDSOME BUT I THINK TO POINT OF YOU KNOW WE THIS THIS TALKS ABOUT SOME OF THE CITY THINGS BUT I THINK TO THE POINT OF THE MARKET RESPONDING AND THE PRIVATE MARKET DOING SOME OF THIS ALREADY IT'S WE DON'T HAVE THE STANDARDS WHEN THE PRIVATE MARKET COMES IN AND DOES IT AND THAT'S I THINK LIKELY TO HAPPEN WAY SOONER THAN THAN PUBLIC INVESTMENT ANYWAYS. YEAH JERRAM AND COMMISSIONERS ONE THING TO CLARIFY ON THE CODE STANDARDS RELATIVE TO CHARGING AND WHAT I FAMILY CITES WE DO HAVE A CODE STANDARD THAT REQUIRES ONE CHARGER PER 50 UNITS A LEVEL TWO CHARGER HOWEVER THE STATE HAS A PROVISION THAT SAYS THAT CITIES CANNOT BE MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN THE STATE ON BUILDING CODE ISSUES. SO IF IT'S WITHIN A PARKING THEY SAY THAT INFRINGES ON THAT STANDARD SO WE CAN APPLY THAT STANDARD ON SURFACE SPACES BUT NOT WITHIN A STRUCTURED PARKING. MR.. ALBRECHT THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR . I JUST HAVE A TINY BIT OF FEEDBACK ON THE COLOR CODING. YES, IT'S SPECIFIC BUT WHAT I'M SEEING IS IN YOUR TIMELINE LIKE ON PAGE 18 YOU HAVE NEAR MEDIUM AND LONG AND THEY BELIEVE THAT SHORT AND MID-TERM OR MAYBE SWITCHED OR I HAVE BUT NOT IN TERMS OF THE COLOR CODING. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S IN THE DETAIL. I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT THE TIMELINES WERE AND HOW LONG YOU WERE CONSIDERING NEAR MEDIUM AND LONG TERM AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE COLOR CODING IS OFF ON THOSE YOU ARE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU ARE VERY. YES, YOU ARE CORRECT. I'M JUST LOOKING AT THAT RIGHT NOW THE CODE DOWN BELOW THAT DOES NOT MATCH WHAT'S ON THERE. SO I THINK IT'S ON YEAH YEAH IT IS YEAH YOU'RE RIGHT I NOW I JUST SEE THAT THERE SO WE WILL MAKE THAT CHANGE BEFORE THE COUNCIL MEETING SO I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. I MEAN I CAN'T THIS THING THAT IS A GREAT CATCH OF OTHER DISCUSSION OR A MOTION COMMISSIONER EAGLETON. THANK YOU CHAIR KENT CAN ELABORATE MORE ON WHAT WAS SAID BUT ONE THING I HAD A ABOUT IS YOU HAD SAID IN FIVE YEARS TO REVALUE WEIGHT AND IS THAT SOON ENOUGH? HOW DID YOU LAND ON FIVE YEARS? YEAH, GOOD QUESTION. CHAIR COMMISSIONER THAT WAS THERE WASN'T A REAL I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THERE WAS A REAL SCIENTIFIC METHOD TO THAT. IT JUST SEEMED LIKE A GOOD TIME. SO THE THE IMPLEMENTATION GROUP WOULD MEET CONSISTENTLY THROUGHOUT THOSE FIVE YEARS SO IT WON'T BE LIKE FIVE YEARS. WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT ANYTHING IF SOMETHING WERE MAJOR TO CHANGE BETWEEN NOW AND THEN WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY PIVOT OR IF THIS TECHNOLOGY BY THE WAYSIDE SOMETHING ELSE COMES TO THE FOREFRONT WE'RE NOT GOING TO CONTINUE TO WORK THIS BUT THE IDEA WAS JUST TO HAVE SOMETHING IN THERE. SO IF WE WERE STILL WORKING THAT WE HAD A TOUCH POINT TO ACTUALLY GO BACK AND DO A COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW OF THE PLAN AND BRING THAT BACK BEFORE THE BODIES AND UNDERSTAND IS IS STILL PLAN WE WANT TO MOVE CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD IMPLEMENTATION DO WE WANT TO REVISE IT SO? THAT'S KIND OF HOW THAT CAME TO. BUT THAT BEING SAID, IF SOMETHING HAPPENS IN THREE YEARS AND THERE'S SOME AMAZING BREAKTHROUGH AND YOU KNOW AND WE TO BE ON THAT TRACK AND THIS IS NO LONGER RELEVANT TECHNOLOGY THEN WE CAN ADJUST AS NEEDED. SO THAT'S GREAT FEEDBACK AND AND IF I MAY I THINK THE CITY HAS DONE A NICE JOB OF COMING BACK TO US WITH WITH REVISIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS. I THINK THE NEXT THING ON OUR AGENDA IS JUST SO I WOULD JUST REITERATE THAT AS WE SEE CHANGES IN TECHNOLOGY IN THE MARKET TO BACK TO THIS THIS GROUP AND ASK FOR FEEDBACK. ABSOLUTELY AND. YOU WILL BE SEEING ME I'M SURE QUITE A BIT AS WE START TO IMPLEMENT THE ACTION ITEMS FROM THIS THESE ARE GOING TO TAKE YOU KNOW THESE ARE GOING TO BE A PROCESS AS WELL. I'LL BE BACK BEFORE YOU FOR LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, MOTIONS AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. SO THIS WON'T BE THE LAST TIME YOU SEE ME OR HEAR ABOUT THIS SO SIMILAR AGAIN SIMILAR TO LYNDALE AVENUE RETROFIT PROJECT THE YOU KNOW CODE CHANGES ARE MADE. THOSE ITEMS WILL COME BEFORE YOU AS YOU'LL SEEING ITEMS RELATED TO THIS YOU KNOW MOVING FORWARD RATE CHANGES CERTAIN IN THIS AREA WHERE WHATEVER I MEAN AGAIN THE EXAMPLE I TALKED ABOUT EARLIER ON WAS YOU KNOW 12 MONTHS AGO ELECTRIC FIELD RULES IF YOU HAD TO PURCHASE ONE YOU MIGHT GET ONE OF THREE TYPES OF PLUGS 18 MONTHS FROM NOW THERE WILL BE ONE. SO AGAIN DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE CAN CHANGE AND SO STAFF BEING ON TOP OF THAT AND AND MOVING WITH THAT I AM SURE ARE NOT BUT THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT SEEMS RELATIVELY BENIGN BUT THAT'S A IMPACT. SO YOU KNOW THE DISCUSSION IF NOT GOTTEN BY ME MAKE A MOTION IS I MOVED TO RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY COUNCIL THE VEHICLE ELECTRIC VEHICLE INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN SECOND MOTION IN A SECOND TO RECOMMEND ACCEPTANCE OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN AND ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION IN SAY I I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES THIS WILL BE ON THE JANUARY 29TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING AS A PUBLIC COMMENT OPPORTUNITY THERE AS WELL. THANK YOU THANK YOU VERY MUCH . ITEM NUMBER THREE IS A STUDY ITEM THIS IS SOME INITIAL DISCUSSION ON POTENTIAL REZONINGS ON LYNDALE AVENUE. THIS IS AN ONGOING CONVERSATION ABOUT THE LYNDALE AVENUE RETROFIT AND AS IT CONTINUES TO PERCOLATE AND AGAIN AS IT WILL OVER TIME PLANNER RAHM WILSON HERE WITH A PRESENTATION IT JUST EXPECTED THAT WHEN I COME UP HERE AND SPEAK ABOUT THE FUTURE IT MUST BE SO SICK OF IT. WE HAVE EXPERTIZE SURELY . RIGHT? PERFECT. WELL THANK YOU CHAIR COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONERS OH I HAD VERY JUMPED AHEAD SO I DO THAT. YEAH. SO THE PROPOSAL BEFORE YOU IS EXPLORATION OF REZONING CONTIGUOUS OF PARCELS NORTH EAST OF THE INTERSECTION LYNDALE AND 94TH STREET. IT'S ABOUT PARCELS IN TOTAL. I'LL SHOW A MAP OF WHAT THAT LOOKS IN JUST A MOMENT AND THEN WE'D ALSO APPRECIATE SOME GUIDANCE ON SOME THAT ARE ALSO THAT ARE SOUTHWEST OF THAT INTERSECTION. THOSE ARE CURRENTLY ZONED B TWO AND THEY'RE GUIDED GENERAL BUSINESS THAT MAKES THEM ELIGIBLE. FOR INSTANCE THERE ARE ALONG LYNDALE THAT WE JUST WANT SOME GUIDANCE ON WHETHER WE SHOULD CONSIDER THOSE FOR REZONING AS . WELL IF THEY WOULD FOLLOW IN PURSUIT OR INSERT WITH OTHER PARCELS THAT HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THE RETROFIT PLAN THIS IS A MAP OF WHAT THOSE PARCELS LOOK LIKE THE NORTHWEST OR NORTHEAST SORRY OF THAT INTERSECTION WE'VE KIND OF SPLIT UP INTO TWO GROUPS. THERE'S THE LOOP AND SITE THAT THOSE ARE THE THE OWNERS OF THAT OF THOSE COLLECTION OF SIX PARCELS AND THEN JUST SOUTH OF THAT IS THE SITE WHERE DAVID FONG'S RESTAURANT IS AND AND YEAH AS I SAID THERE'S SOUTHWEST OF THAT ARE SOME GROUP OF SEVEN PARCELS THAT MIGHT ALSO ELIGIBLE BUT WE APPRECIATE YOUR FEEDBACK WHAT MAKES THE WHAT BRINGS THIS ITEM FORWARD WAS AS WAS HINTED BEFORE IS THE THE SUBURBAN RETROFIT PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED BACK IN 2021 AND WE WE RECOGNIZE THAT IT FOCUSED ON CERTAIN NODES ALONG THE THE STRETCH OF LYNDALE SO THAT ONE OF THE NODES BEING AT 86TH AND 98TH IF YOU RECALL BACK IN SEPTEMBER LAST YEAR CITY COUNCIL APPROVED SOME REZONINGS. YOU ALSO SAW THOSE ON AUGUST 17TH OF ACTUALLY THAT YEAR THOSE REZONINGS WERE APPROVED AND FROM THAT REZONING FROM B-2 TO B FOR IN LINE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE RETROFIT PLAN WHAT THE RETROFIT PLAN WAS UNABLE FORESEE OR IT JUST HADN'T REALIZED AT THE TIME OF ITS ADOPTION WAS THAT THERE WAS A NEW NODE THAT WAS DEVELOPING AT 94TH STREET. THERE'S THE REAL LIFE COURT CO-OP THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED WITHIN THE POLYGON LETTER A THAT'S 96 UNITS THAT WAS ADDED BACK IN 2003. IN 2021 WE HAD LYNDALE FLATS THAT CAME ON LINE THAT WAS 81 UNITS STILL UNDER CONSTRUCTION BUT IT PROMISES TO 125 UNITS TO THE CITY IS OXBOW HEIGHTS SO AGAIN THEY'RE ALL COLORS COALESCING AROUND AN INTERSECTION THAT SEEMS LIKE A GOOD CANDIDATE FOR SUPPORTING WITH ADDITIONAL HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES THESE ARE MAPS ILLUSTRATING WHAT THE GUIDED LAND USE OF THE PROPERTIES IN QUESTION WHAT WHAT THEY'RE GUIDED FOR IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THEN THE LAND USES AS WELL ON THE RIGHT AS THE ZONING OBVIOUSLY THERE BE TWO BUT THERE'S A VARIETY OF ZONING DISTRICTS AROUND THAT OUGHT TO BE CONSIDERED WHEN DELIBERATING AS I AS SHOWN IN THIS IN THE ON THE LEFT IMAGE AND THE GO TO LAND USE MAP THE TWO LAND USES ARE GENERAL BUSINESS AND COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL THOSE ARE SOME JUST DESCRIPTIONS TO GET YOU FAMILIAR WITH THOSE TWO LAND USES AND YOU'VE PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH B TWO AND THAT IT'S DISTINGUISHES ITSELF FROM BEFORE BY ALLOWING MORE AUTO ORIENTED USES WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT THE RETROFIT PLAN WANTED TO REDUCE THE PRESIDENT PRESENCE OF ON LYNDALE AVENUE I SHOULD SAY THAT IT'S BEEN IT'S BEEN RECOUNTED TO ME I MEAN I WASN'T THERE WHEN THE SUBURBAN RETROFIT PLAN WAS BEING WAS BEING WRITTEN BUT THERE WERE DISCUSSIONS THAT CONVEYED THAT THERE WAS SOME COMFORT OF HAVING SOME B TWO PROPERTIES ALONG LYNDALE IT WASN'T RECOMMENDING REZONING ALL PROPERTIES TO BE FOR SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND WHEN YOU'RE DELIBERATING ABOUT WHETHER THESE ARE GOOD CANDIDATES FOR REZONING BUT NONETHELESS YEAH BEFORE DISTINCT IS ALSO DISTINCT FROM B2 BY JUST OFFERING MORE NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE DEVELOPMENT SOMETHING THAT APPEALS MORE TO THE PEDESTRIAN AND CREATES MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT, MORE ATTRACTIVE LANDSCAPE ENSURE ACCESS BY FOOT AND BIKE. SO AGAIN CREAM ENCOURAGING MULTIPLE MULTI-MODAL USE AND THIS IS A TABLE THAT SUMMARIZES THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN B2 AND B FOR ZONING I CAN GO THROUGH THESE STANDARDS YOU PREFER BUT YOU KNOW THAT'S A GOOD SUMMARY RIGHT THERE. SOMETHING THAT'S ALWAYS TOP OF MIND WHEN YOU'RE CONSIDERING REZONINGS IS USE OR JUST NON-CONFORMITY ARE YOU CREATING NON CONFORMITY IS BY REZONING THAT IS CERTAINLY A CONCERN BUT SO IN THIS AS FAR AS THE ANALYSIS THAT WENT INTO THIS PART OF THE OF THIS RESEARCH WE LOOKED SPECIFICALLY AT USE IT'S KIND OF HARD TO DELVE INTO SOME OF THE SITE CHARACTERISTICS AND IF THEY WOULD COMPLY WITH NEW ZONING WE IMAGINE I MEAN THERE ARE DEFINITELY LOTS THAT DON'T COMPLY WITH THE THE MINIMUM LOT AREA THAT WE NEED TO DEFINE BEFORE BUT THE THAT MAP THAT I SHOWED EARLIER THERE'S THERE'S DEFINITELY POTENTIAL FOR SITE ASSEMBLY SO THAT YOU COULD ACTUALLY FACILITATE A LARGER DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD BE IN LINE WITH THE RETROFIT PLAN SO USE USE CONFORMITY SEEMS TO BE THE MORE OPERATIVE CONCERN AND IN THAT INSTANCE THERE ARE THERE ARE FEW CONFORMING NONCONFORMING THAT WOULD BE CREATED IF REZONING TO BE FOR THERE'S PRESENTLY A AUTO DEALERSHIP ALONG LYNDALE IN THE LOOP INTO THAT AREA DEFINED AS LUPINES AND THEN THERE'S ALSO AN AUTO REPAIR REPAIR PLACE IN THE GROUP OF PARCELS JUST SOUTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION SO SOME NON-CONFORMITY IS WOULD BE CREATED HOWEVER AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED BEFORE WHEN CONSIDERING REZONINGS ALONG LYNDALE IS THAT THOSE CONFORMS CAN CREATE CAN CONTINUE INDEFINITELY UNTIL UNTIL SOMETHING TRIGGERS THE AS THE SAY NEEDED NEEDING TO BE BROUGHT INTO CONFORMANCE WITH THE UNDERLYING ZONING DISTRICT. SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND AS FAR AS ENGAGEMENT STAFF REACHED OUT TO THE THE LOOPING REPRESENTATIVES WELL AS DAVID FONS AND WE HAD A CONVERSATION EXPLAINED TO THE PROJECT OR EXPLAINED THE PROPOSAL AND ANSWERED ANY QUESTIONS THAT THEY MAY HAVE HAD AND TO GET THEIR TAKE ON WHAT STAFF WAS PURSUING IF IF WE GET DIRECTION TO CONSIDER THOSE PARCELS SOUTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION WILL DO THE SAME SORT OF ENGAGEMENT ACTIVITY. IT WON'T BE VERY WIDESPREAD BUT IT WILL FOCUS ON THOSE PARCELS UNDER CONSIDERATION NEXT STEPS AFTER THIS OR TO BRING THE STUDIES OR TO BRING THE STUDY ITEM TO COUNCIL IN FEBRUARY AND ALSO A RESOLUTION TO INITIATE THAT REZONING AND THEN OVER MARCH AND APRIL HOLD PUBLIC HEARINGS TO CONSIDER THE REZONINGS. AND WITH THAT I CAN TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANKS. YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU HAD REACHED OUT TO PROPERTY. IS THERE A GENERAL SENSE OF WHAT YOU HEARD? BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU CAN SHARE THE EXTENT OF EACH OTHER GLEN DO YOUHINKAN SHARE TH? I DON'T I DO I DON'T WANT TO DIVULGE ANYTHING BUT YEAH THE IT WAS I MEAN IT WAS A GOOD BACK AND FORTH THE THE THE LUBY AND OWNERS HAVE HAD CONCEPTS BEFORE THE CITY AND WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT WITH THEM . THOSE HAVEN'T THEY HAVEN'T ADVANCED BUT NONETHELESS THEY'RE STILL TO WHAT THE WORKING WITH THE CITY IN ORDER TO FIND A AN APPROPRIATE DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD FIT ON THE SITE WORK WITH THE ZONING AND ALSO THE GOALS OF THE RETROFIT PLAN AND DIG IN THE FUNDS REPRESENTATIVE ALSO SEEMED VERY RECEPTIVE TO THE C'S PROPOSAL THEY SEEMED THEY SEEMED FINE WITH IT. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU CHAIR. WHAT ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT MAY TRIGGER THE NON CONFORMITY AND I KNOW YOU SAID LIKE THE AUTO A COUPLE AUTO SHOPS IN THAT AREA LIKE IF YOU HAVE ANY EXAMPLES THAT COULD TRIGGER OR WOULD TRIGGER OH THAT OH THANK YOU CHAIR COMMISSIONER YEAH SO IF REDEVELOPMENT FOR INSTANCE IF THEY WANTED TO REDEVELOP THEY WOULD HAVE TO BRING THE THE STRUCTURE AND THE USE INTO CONFORMANCE WITH THE WITH THE UNDERLYING ZONING DISTRICT SO COULD OPERATE AS AS THEY PRESENTLY AS PRESENTLY ARE BUT AS SOON AS THEY COME FOR TO THE CITY WITH A AN IDEA TO REDEVELOP THE PROPERTY THEN THEY WOULD THEY WOULD NEED TO BRING THEIR PROPERTY IN COMPLIANCE THERE'S OTHER THEY WOULD BE PROHIBITED EXPANSION EXPANDING THE USE SO IF THAT IF THEY WERE ABLE TO BASICALLY RECREATE THE SAME CONDITIONS AND CONTINUE THE THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO CONTINUE THE USE AS IS BUT REDEVELOPMENT IN TERMS OF EXPANDING THE USE EXPANDING THE NONCONFORMING THEY WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT THEY'D HAVE TO BRING THAT BACK OR THEY'D HAVE TO BRING IT INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING DISTRICT. THANK YOU. YEP. COMMISSIONER COOKSON THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. MR. CRAMER ALSO YOU MENTIONED SOME POTENTIAL HESITATION TO TOO MUCH B-2. WHY IS THAT? I WOULD HAVE TO. OH, SORRY, CHAIR COMMISSIONER WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO THE PLANNING MANAGER MARKET GUARD. WITH REGARDS I WASN'T THERE FOR THOSE CONVERSATIONS SO I'M GETTING THOSE SECOND HAND JEROME AND COMMISSIONER CORRECT. COULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION? HE MENTIONED A MR. RAYMOND ALSO MENTIONED A HESITATION POTENTIAL HESITATION TO GET RID OF TOO MUCH B-2 ZONING. WHAT'S THE HESITATION? YES. SO THERE WAS DISCUSSION THROUGHOUT THE LYNDALE RETROFIT PLAN ABOUT B-2 HOW MUCH SHOULD REMAIN. RECOGNIZING THAT THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, A MIX OF LAND USES TODAY IN LYNDALE AND THAT THERE ARE COMMUNITY NEEDS FOR AUTO ORIENTED USES AT LEAST IN CERTAIN PARTS OF THE CITY THE BIG ONES BEING SERVICE STATIONS, AUTO REPAIR, GAS STATIONS, CAR WASHES. SO THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT YOU KNOW, IT SHOULDN'T ALL BE FOR SO THE LYNDALE RETROFIT PLAN RECOMMENDED CERTAIN BE RESUMED AND THOSE HAVE NOW BEEN COMPLETED. WHAT WE'VE BEEN PRESENTED WITH IS FRANKLY A NEW NODE DEVELOPING ORGANICALLY THROUGH THESE MULTIPLE PHASES OF DEVELOPMENT. WHICH RAISES THE QUESTION EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE PLAN GUIDANCE FOR ADDITIONAL B FOR WHAT ADDITIONAL WOULD B APPROPRIATE ON THOSE SITES? THANK YOU, MR. EMERSON. SO IF WE WERE SIMPLY SPEAKING TO THE SOUTH WEST PARCELS ARE UNDER POTENTIAL CONSIDERATION IF THOSE WERE TO IN THE GO TO BE FOR IS THERE STILL SOME B OR REMAINING ELSEWHERE ON LYNDALE OR IS THAT THE POTENTIAL TO TOTALLY WIPE OUT B2? CHAIR COMMISSIONER B2 WOULD STILL BE PRESENT ON CERTAIN PARCELS ALONG LYNDALE. I BELIEVE EVEN NORTH WEST OF IT I'M JUST KIND OF OPERATING BUT BUT BY MEMORY BUT YEAH IT WOULD STILL EXIST. VERY. THANK YOU. YES, MR. GOTTESMAN. THANK YOU. CAN WE SEE AERIAL MAP VISUAL PERSON JUST TO SEE HERE AND IN ONE QUESTION. WELL THANK YOU. ONE QUESTION I HAD FOR MAYBE JUST CLARIFY THIS THE DISCUSSIONS WHEN THE LANDFILL RETROFIT PLAN WAS IS IN A LOT OF THE AREAS THAT HAD B2 THERE WERE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT WERE ABUT THAT ABUTTED TO THOSE PROPERTIES AND I THINK THAT WAS A CONCERN TOO TO MAKE THEM BE FOR AND HAVE THAT SOMEWHAT INFRINGE IN THE SINGLE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THAT'S JUST OFF OF MY MEMORY FROM WHEN WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION IN GENERAL THESE WITH MAYBE FEW EXCEPTIONS FOR THE NORTHERN SECTION THESE ARE ALL ABUTTING TO INDUSTRIAL USE OR YOU KNOW OTHER TYPES OF USES THAT ARE NOT SINGLE FAMILY. AND SO I'M NOT CONCERNED. I WAS ACTUALLY IN SUPPORT OF REZONING THE 94TH THE 94TH STREET. MORE SO THAN THE WHAT IS IT THE 86TH STREET BECAUSE I SAW THAT THIS WAS RIPE FOR DEVELOPMENT WHEN WERE DOING THE RETROFIT PLAN AND I WAS SOMEWHAT DISAPPOINTED THAT IT WASN'T INCLUDED THE ORIGINAL. SO I AM IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD OFTEN AND I'M EXCITED TO SEE DEVELOPMENT HERE ORGANICALLY BUT ALSO I LOVE THE THAT WE NOW ARE TAKING STEPS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S WHAT WE WANT, WHAT WE WHAT WE ENVISION IT TO BE. SO FOR THE NORTH EAST I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE B FOR FOR THE SOUTHWEST CORNER. ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE AND I THINK REZONING MAKES PERFECT SENSE BUT ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE THERE IS THERE ARE SOME SMALL BUSINESSES SMALL LOCAL BUSINESSES THAT PROVIDE A LOT OF VALUE TO OUR OUR RESIDENTS . JULIE MOOSE, FOR EXAMPLE, IS ONE OF THE PROPERTIES SO I JUST WANT TO BE MINDFUL OF WHEN WE DO CONTACT THESE BUSINESS OWNERS THAT WERE MINDFUL OF THEIR SMALL BUSINESSES AND THAT WE CAN FIND A WAY TO SUPPORT THEM. THE LAST THING THAT I WANT TO SAY ABOUT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER IS SO THIS AREA THINKING ABOUT RESIDENTS AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR THOSE RESIDENTS BUTTS TO THE IS VERY CLOSE TO THE VP WHICH PROVIDES A LOT OF VALUE TO RESIDENTS AND PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTY AND SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE DO ZONE THIS THAT WE THINK ABOUT YOU KNOW OBVIOUSLY FURTHER DOWN WHEN DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS IS THAT WE HAVE GOOD AMENITIES, GOOD WALKABILITY THERE THINGS FOR THE RESIDENTS TO GET FROM YOU KNOW PROPERTY SEE TO THE PLACES THEY NEED TO BE WITHIN KNOW OR TRANS OR WHATEVER DEVELOPS IN THE NORTH SECTION OF PROPERTY. SO ALL I THIS IS GREAT AND I'LL SUPPORT THE I WILL I'M GOING TO BUILD ON WHAT YOU TALKED ABOUT I THINK YOU KNOW THE ULTIMATE VISION OF THE RETROFIT WAS THE FULL LENGTH RIGHT FROM FROM AMERICAN BOULEVARD ALL THE WAY DOWN. I DON'T KNOW IF ALL WHEN ALL I DON'T THINK WE WENT ALL THE WAY TO 106TH OR BEYOND THERE. BUT BUT THE WHOLE EVENT REALLY WHETHER THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR WOULD BE TRANSFORMED OVER TIME AND SO THAT I UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAD THE TWO NODES THE GAP IN BETWEEN I ALWAYS FELT A LITTLE BIT ODD TO ME SO IF WE'RE STARTING TO ON THE GAP THAT MAKES SENSE AS WE EXAMINE AND AGAIN I KNOW THAT THESE CHANGES WILL HAPPEN OVER TIME AND I KNOW THERE'S THE TENSION NOT REZONING TOO SOON STIFLING YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE DEVELOPMENT THAT CAN'T AND HAVE VACANCY FOR A WHILE AND SO THAT'S THAT'S ALWAYS A PUSH AND THE OTHER ONE I THINK ABOUT AND AGAIN IT'S YOU KNOW WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY TO MAKE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS OR CONVERSATION THIS IS BASED ON ANY INDIVIDUAL CURRENT USE OF A PROPERTY. BUT I THINK THERE IS SOMETHING TO BE CONSIDERED ABOUT SOME OF THE PLACES AS WE'RE REZONING THEM OR AS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT HOW THEY CHANGE WHEN WE THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS THAT YOU DO PROACTIVELY BECAUSE THEY ARE RIPE FOR REDEVELOPMENT THERE ARE SOME AREAS THAT YOU PROACTIVELY DO BECAUSE THERE MAY BE OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE COMING BUT THEN I THINK WE ALSO TALK A LOT ABOUT UNDERSERVED PARTS OF OUR COMMUNITIES AND HOW WE MAKE SURE THAT OUR COMMUNITY IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WHO HERE CAN AFFORD TO LIVE HERE AND WHEN I'M THE REASON I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME THINGS LIKE I KNOW THERE'S AN AUTO SERVICE PLACE THERE THAT'S PROBABLY A MORE AFFORDABLE AUTO PLACE THAN PERHAPS A FEW BLOCKS DOWN ONE THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH A MAJOR CAR MANUFACTURER. SO AGAIN, I JUST THINK AS WE DO THOSE THINGS WHAT ARE WHAT ARE SOME OF THE THINGS WE MIGHT BE DOING THAT MAY HAVE AN IMPACT ON OTHER MEMBERS OF THAT COMMUNITY BEYOND JUST THIS TWO BLOCK AREA? GENERALLY SPEAKING, I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT THING. DO I THINK EXPLORING THE CONVERSATION TO THE SOUTHWEST IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO ESPECIALLY SINCE IN BOTH CASES THERE'S ONLY ONE IDENTIFIED POTENTIAL NON-CONFORMITY CREATED . I THINK WE CREATED MORE NON-CONFORMITY THAN THAT IN THE 86TH STREET NODE SO I THINK IT'S WORTH THE CONVERSATION AND I'D BE CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT YOU LEARN. MR. CORY FEATURE I THINK THOSE ARE THESE HAVE ALL BEEN GREAT THOUGHTS SO FAR GENERALLY I THINK IF THE MARKET IS SUPPORTING AND YOU SEEM TO HAVE TRACTION WITH IT, I THINK WE SHOULD SUPPORT IT OR ENCOURAGE CONTINUE TO ENCOURAGE IT. I DON'T KNOW YOU JUST SAID YOU KNOW, IF WE SHOULDN'T BE REZONING OR TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION ONE SPECIFIC USE IN OR ONE SPECIFIC PARCEL AS PART OF THE CONSIDERATION BUT I WOULD SAY AT A HIGHER LEVEL DOES THE TRANSITIONAL INDUSTRIAL USE IS THAT SUPPORTIVE AS A TRANSITION BE TO INTO LIKE CAN THOSE TYPES OF USES GENERALLY MOVE FROM B2 INTO THE TRANSITIONAL INDUSTRIAL? IS THAT A PLACE FOR B2 BUSINESSES TO GO OR DO THEY HAVE TO GO ACROSS 35 W IN SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT'S A CHAIR COMMISSIONER I I'D HAVE TO RECALL THE USES THAT THAT ARE COMMON BETWEEN B2 AND THE TRANSITIONAL INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT THAT WAS A DISTRICT THAT WAS JUST CREATED LAST YEAR SO YOU'D THINK IT'D BE TOP OF MIND BUT IT'S NOT. NONETHELESS THERE ARE THE AUTO ORIENTED USES THAT YOU WOULD FIND IN B2 WHICH YOU KNOW THAT'S THE MAIN DISTINCTION BETWEEN THAT AND BEFORE BUT THOSE DO WORK IN TRANSITIONAL INDUSTRIAL. SO THERE IS THERE IS I GUESS A WAY FOR USES TO MIGRATE FROM THOSE AREAS THAT WERE B2 TO TRANSITIONAL INDUSTRIAL I SUPPOSE IF THAT IS THE THAT THE THE EVOLUTION OF LYNDALE THEN YEAH I THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE THOSE SORT OF TRANSITIONS. GREAT. THANK YOU MR. CAPTAIN. THANKS, MR. CHAIR AND MR. CURRY. I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THEY DON'T HAVE TO MOVE. SO IF WE WERE TO AND THEY CAN STAY LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING AS LONG AS THEY SO CHOOSE AND SO THAT'S NOT TO OVERLOOK THAT WE ARE PUTTING SOMEBODY AS A LEGAL NON CONFORMANCE WE TAKE THAT SERIOUSLY AND THAT'S WHY I WANT TO MAKE SURE AS YOU'VE PROPOSED THAT WE REACH OUT TO THOSE APPLICANTS AND, WE GET THEIR FEEDBACK BECAUSE IT IS IMPORTANT AND WE DON'T TAKE THAT LIGHTLY. LOOKING AT THE SOUTH WEST PARCELS YOU KNOW THEY DON'T LOOK LIKE THEY'VE BEEN TOUCHED FOR A LONG TIME AND SO MY SENSE IS THAT THERE MAY BE JUST AS HAPPY AS THEY ARE OR IF THEY'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING THEY PROBABLY JUST WIPE IT AND PUT A BE ABLE APARTMENT BUILDING THERE AND SO LIKE I'D LIKE TO SEE TO HEAR FROM THEM WHICH I SUSPECT THEY WILL BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING WHERE I HAVE A TON OF CONCERN. THERE'S A LOT OF CHANGING ACTIVITY THERE THAT THEY'RE ALL PRETTY OLD. THEY'RE NOT YOU KNOW, NOT MY SENSE IS THEY'RE EITHER GOING TO STAY PUT OR THEY'LL THEY'LL SELL OFF AND WE'LL SEE A NEW DEVELOPMENT THERE. SO WITH THE NORTHEAST PARCELS I'M IN FAVOR OF IT. I THINK THAT'S TERRIFIC. YOU KNOW I LOOK AT WHAT WAS DONE IN PARCEL C THAT MIGHT BE MY FAVORITE DEVELOPMENT IN THE ENTIRE CITY SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION. IT'S JUST PERFECT. IT'S THE RIGHT PROJECT IN THE RIGHT PLACE IN A PARCEL THAT'S NOT ALL THAT DESIRABLE HONESTLY LIKE IT'S NOT ON THE MAIN STREET YOU GOT TO KIND OF WALK BACK THERE. IT'S NEXT TO A FAST FOOD PLACE BUT WE'RE GETTING LIKE THIS AWESOME DENSE DEVELOPMENT NEEDED AND I'M JUST SUPER PROUD OF THAT DEVELOPMENT AT PARCEL C AND I THINK THAT'S JUST EXACTLY WHAT WE ENVISION ON LYNDALE. YOU JUST TOTALLY LIKE A 180 FROM OUR FIRST APPLICATION TODAY LIKE THIS IS THE RIGHT PROJECT IN THE RIGHT I'M JUST SUPER HAPPY WITH THAT AND IT GIVES ME SO MUCH HOPE FOR WHERE LYNDALE IS GOING AND I THINK EVERYTHING WE'VE DONE WITH LYNDALE IS JUST IS RIGHT ON THE MONEY AND I'M HOPING WE CAN SEE MORE OF THAT IN THESE PARCELS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT. I MEAN THREE OF THOSE PARCELS THOUGH ARE THREE DIRECTLY SOUTH OF LOT C ARE VACANT. I MEAN THAT JUST SEEMS SO RIPE FOR ANOTHER WHETHER IT'S SENIOR HOUSING OR WHATEVER. I MEAN IT'S JUST RIGHT THERE. LET'S GO. I THINK IT'S AWESOME AND WE'VE GOT A LOT OF UNDERUTILIZATION IN THIS AREA THAT I THINK IS JUST GOING TO BE TERRIFIC FOR DEVELOPMENT. SO I'M IN FAVOR OF THE NORTHEAST PARCELS. THE SOUTHWEST PARCELS THINK ARE ALSO GOOD CANDIDATES. I THINK WE SHOULD PROCEED WITH THAT. LET'S TO THOSE LANDOWNERS IF THERE'S A BIG PROBLEM LET'S LET'S SEE WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT IT. BUT I'D LIKE TO CONTINUE FORWARD WITH INVESTIGATION OF THE SOUTHWEST PARCELS AS WELL I THINK IT'S FASCINATING TOO BUILDING ON WHAT YOU WERE JUST SAYING AS YOU KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE HERE BUT AT LEAST IN THE THE NORTHEAST SECTION COULD ALL END UP BEING OUR M 50 WHICH IS AGAIN THE APPLICANTS WOULD BRING THAT TO US BUT I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT LESS OF WHAT B2 IS BUT IT MAY END UP BEING SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAT IS COMPLIMENTARY BUT NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW. SO COMMISSIONER THANK YOU CHAIR MY ONLY FEEDBACK ON THIS IS FOR STAFF TO BE CAUTIOUS ABOUT THE PUSHBACK FROM CURRENT PROPERTY OWNERS. I BELIEVE THAT WE DOUBLED DOWN BY ALLOWING PAWN SHOP USES AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD TRY AND MAINTAIN THE SPIRIT OF THE LINDER LYNDALE RETROFIT PLAN AND I KNOW THAT WAS DIRECTED BY CITY COUNCIL BUT I WAS IN DISAGREEMENT WITH THAT AND I THINK I'M JUST CREATING A PRECEDENT THERE THAT WE AREN'T DOUBLING DOWN THE SPIRIT OF BEFORE AND WE'RE BASICALLY BACK TO BE TWO AND SO THEN WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN IN MY OPINION I'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS OF REZONING BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE IN A MIX OF USES AND SO IF THOSE USES WANT TO BE SOMEWHERE ALONG THIS CORRIDOR MAYBE IT NEEDS TO BE B2 AND MAYBE WE NEED TO RESERVE SOME PARCELS FOR THAT SO I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE AN ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION WHERE REALLY WHERE WHERE WE WANT THESE USES. SO I WOULD SAY THAT THE OTHER COMMENTS ARE DID DO HAVE YOU GOTTEN WHAT YOU NEED FROM US CHAIR YES I BELIEVE SO. RIGHT AND SO I THINK AS WE SAY IN THE PLAN THERE IS THAT THAT WILL BE HAVING A SIMILAR STUDY SESSION WITH THE COUNCIL IN FEBRUARY AND LIKELY BACK HERE IN MARCH APRIL. THANK YOU. GOOD WORK. ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS ANOTHER STUDY ITEM AND DISCUSSION OF POTENTIAL AMENDMENTS TO THE OPPORTUNITY HOUSING ORDINANCE AND WITH SPECIAL GUEST HOUSING DEVELOPMENT SPECIALIST NIEMEYER NIEMEYER GOOD EVENING . THANKS FOR THE WARM WELCOME CHAIR COMMISSIONERS SEE GREAT. SO TONIGHT IT I'M HAPPY TO BRING A STUDY SESSION FOR THE OPPORTUNITY ORDINANCE AND I'LL JUST GO OVER QUICKLY THIS ITEM WENT BEFORE THE AUTHORITY COMMISSION ON TUESDAY OF THIS WEEK AND WE'LL ALSO BE GOING THE HRA NEXT TUESDAY AND EACH ONE OF THE SESSIONS IS A STUDY SESSION LOOKING TO GET GUIDANCE AND CONSIDERATION FROM THE COMMISSIONS AND BOARDS ON THAT SET OF PROPOSED AMENDMENTS THAT YOU SAW ON THE STAF REPORT AND THEN ALSO SOME SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ON SOME OF THESE MODIFICATIONS TO EXISTING LANGUAGE. SO JUST TO GO THROUGH WHAT I'LL PRESENT ON TONIGHT WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO PROVIDE SOME BACKGROUND ON THE OPPORTUNITY HOUSING ORDINANCE, TALK ABOUT ITS HISTORY AND PURPOSE, HOW IT FUNCTIONS AND WHAT THE RELATED OBJECTIVES IN TERMS OF CITYWIDE OBJECTIVES AND REGIONAL OBJECTIVES ARE WITH THE ARROW AND THEN TALK ABOUT SOME UPCOMING WORK THAT THE OVERTURE HAS AND THEN WE'LL GET INTO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS AND I'LL ALSO EXPLAIN WHAT THE TIMELINE IS THE INTENTION OF THESE AMENDMENTS AND THEN ASK SOME SPECIFIC CONSIDERATIONS TO THE BOARD AND THEN WILL CONCLUDE WITH ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK IF THERE IS ANY ITEMS THAT CAME IN YOUR REVIEW OF THE STAFF REPORT THAT YOU'D WANT TO GO OVER IN THE STUDY SESSION. SO THE OPPORTUNITY HOUSING ORDINANCE IT'S DESIGNED TO ENCOURAGE ONSITE PRODUCTION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS AND PRESERVE EXISTING AFFORDABLE UNITS WHILE CREATING UNDUE RESTRAINTS TO FINANCIAL FEASIBILITY OF NEW MARKET HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON. THIS WAS AN EFFORT THAT STARTED BACK IN 19 WITH THE HOUSING NEXUS STUDY THAT THE CITY PAID FOR AND IT INFORMED THE INCENTIVES THAT ARE NOW PART OF THE THE SHOW TODAY. IT'S ALSO IT WAS ADOPTED IN 2019 INSTRUCTED BY THAT HOUSING NEXUS STUDY AND WENT INTO FULL EFFECT IN THAT SAME YEAR LATER IN SEPTEMBER AFTER A SIX MONTH REVIEW AND IMPLEMENTATION PERIOD AND THIS IS CONSIDERED A LIVING DOCUMENT SO IT'S BEEN AMENDED IN 2019, 2021 AND 2022 SOMETIMES MORE THAN ONCE IN THOSE YEARS. AND IT COMES BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL ANNUALLY AT MINIMUM AND IT ALSO HAS COME BEFORE THE COMMISSIONS AS TO AS REVIEW SESSION STUDY SESSIONS BUT IT PRIMARILY GOES TO CITY COUNCIL EACH YEAR AROUND SEPTEMBER. SO AS PART OF THE OR THE INTENTION IS TO HAVE A CONTINUOUS OF FEEDBACK ASSESSING THE OUTCOMES HOW DEVELOPERS ARE INTERACTING WITH THE LAW AND YOU CAN SEE THAT REFLECTED IN PURPOSES SO THE PURPOSE THE PRIMARY PURPOSE IS TO ENSURE THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS DEVELOPED IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON AND THAT WE'RE PROMOTING FLEXIBILITY IN HOW THE HOUSES COME TO BE AND THAT WERE BEING ADAPT THAT WERE BEING ADAPTABLE TO THE CHANGING ECONOMIC CIRCUMSTANCES MARKET CONDITIONS AND REAL ESTATE CONDITIONS IN THE CITY AND REGION. THE PURPOSE OF THE H0 IS TO IMPLEMENT CITY GOALS CITY COUNCIL AND CITY'S GOALS AROUND AFFORDABLE HOUSING, ITS POLICIES AND OBJECTIVES AROUND AFFORDABLE HOUSING. IT'S SPECIFICALLY MEANT TO ALLOW FOR A BUNDLING OF OF INCENTIVES FOR A SINGLE DEVELOPMENT TO PROVIDE HOUSING UNITS AFFORDABLE AT THOSE EXTREMELY LOW AND VERY LOW INCOME LEVELS WHICH TALK ABOUT MORE SO THAT POPULATIONS IN NEED OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING HAVE SOMEWHERE TO LIVE IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON AND THEN AS I'LL MENTION A COUPLE OF TIMES, THE INTENTION IS TO ALLOW FOR REVIEW AND REVISION OF THE SO IT'S A LIVING DOCUMENT SO THAT IT CAN BE CONTINUED TO BE RELEVANT GOING FORWARD AND I'M THE REAL OC SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A QUICK ON HOW THE OHV FUNCTIONS AND HOW IT INTERACTS WITH DEVELOPMENTS SO AS A RESULT OF THE HOUSING NEXUS STUDY AND FOLLOWING FINANCIAL FEASIBILITY STUDIES THE CITY CONDUCTED, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT FOR A DEVELOPMENT 100 MARKET RATE UNITS THERE WOULD BE A RESULTING DEMAND OF NINE AFFORDABLE UNITS AT THE 60% AREA MEDIAN INCOME LEVEL. SO THE WAY THAT THAT'S MANIFESTED IN OUR ORDINANCE IS A 9% REQUIREMENT FOR HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS. THE RACHEL ESTABLISHES INCENTIVES TO ENCOURAGE DEVELOPERS TO TO PROVIDE NOT ONLY THAT 9% LEVEL AT 60% AMARA, BUT TO GO BEYOND TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL DWELLING UNITS AT AFFORDABLE LEVELS AND TO PROVIDE AT A DEEPER AFFORDABILITY LEVEL THE 50% AMI OR THE 30% M LEVELS THERE ARE DIFFERENT ALSO THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS FOR DEVELOPERS TO PROVIDE THEIR TO FULFILL THEIR REQUIREMENT THE OPPORTUNITY HOUSING REQUIREMENT THOSE ARE LISTED ON THE SCREEN ONSITE IS OBVIOUS OFFSITE IT IS AN OPTION FOR DEVELOPERS TO ACTUALLY CONSTRUCT THOSE REQUIRED UNITS THE 9% OFFSITE THERE'S ALSO THE OPPORTUNITY TO PAY A FEE IN LIEU OF DEVELOPING AFFORDABLE AND THAT IS SET AND CAN BE REVIEWED AND ADJUSTED BY CITY COUNCIL BUT THAT IS SET SO THAT IT'S A FEE PERCENT A FEE BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE TOTAL DWELLING UNITS THE UNITS SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE DEVELOPMENT. SO A DEVELOPER CAN PAY A FEE IN LIEU THAT WOULD BE PUT INTO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING ACTIVITIES. ADDITIONALLY, DEVELOPERS MAY CHOOSE TO ASSIGN THEIR PAYMENT OF FEE IN LIEU TO A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT THAT INCLUDES THE REQUIRED AFFORDABLE AND THAT WOULD BE IF THEY WERE TO PROVIDE THAT AFFORDABLE DEVELOPMENT IT WOULD BE 20% OF TOTAL DWELLING UNITS AT AN AFFORDABLE LEVEL AT THAT 60% AMI AFFORDABLE LEVEL DEVELOPERS CAN ALSO LAND WITH A VALUE COMMENSURATE WITH WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED IN THE PAYMENT IN LIEU SITUATION DEVELOPERS CAN ALSO PURCHASE AND REHAB EXISTING UNITS SO THAT WOULD BE OCCURRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING THEY MAY ACQUIRE THOSE UNITS AND PROVIDE THEM AT AN AFFORDABLE LEVEL AGAIN IN THAT CASE IT WOULD BE 20% OF UNITS AT THE 60% LEVEL. SO JUST TO SHOW WHAT THOSE RENT AND INCOME LIMITS ARE THIS YEAR I WILL HIGHLIGHT THE COLUMN THE 68% AMI COLUMN THAT'S THAT BASELINE LEVEL OF AFFORDABILITY THAT OUR DEVELOPMENTS ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE 9% OF THEIR TOTAL DWELLING UNITS OUT YOU CAN SEE IN THE BOTTOM TABLE THAT AMOUNT INCREASES YEAR OVER YEAR AND THAT'S DUE TO THIS THE RENT AND INCOME LIMITS BEING SET BY HUD. SO HUD CREATES THEIR FAIR MARKET RATE FOR EACH YEAR AND WITH THOSE NUMBERS THEY SET THE AFFORDABILITY LEVELS SO THAT FOR BLOOMINGTON WE'RE LUMPED TOGETHER WITH MINNEAPOLIS AND SAINT PAUL FOR A METRO STATISTICAL AREA AND SO THESE HIGH LEVELS APPLY TO THE ENTIRE METRO. SO THE METROPOLITAN COUNCIL TAKES HUD'S NUMBERS AND ESTABLISHES WHAT A AFFORDABLE RENT WOULD BE SO AFFORDABLE IN THIS CASE BE THAT 30% OF THE TENANTS NO MORE THAN 30% OF THE TENANT'S INCOME WOULD GO TO THEIR HOUSING COSTS. SO TO TALK MORE ABOUT INCENTIVES, THERE'S LARGELY TWO MAIN GROUPS OF INCENTIVES THAT DEVELOPERS HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE ARE FINANCIAL BASED INCENTIVES WHICH WE'VE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT. BUT I WOULD ALSO HIGHLIGHT THE OPPORTUNITY LAND WRITE DOWNS IF WE'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE THE CITY IS OWNING THE LAND THAT THE DEVELOPER IS LOOKING AT, WE CAN LOOK TO RATE THOSE THAT THE OF THE LAND DOWN IF AFFORDABLE UNITS ARE PROVIDED THERE ALSO BE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND AVAILABILITY AND THEN TAX INCREMENT FINANCING THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THE FINANCIAL INCENTIVES THAT A LOT OF THE DEVELOPMENTS HAVE BEEN TAKING ADVANTAGE OF SINCE OF THE LAW. AND THEN THE OTHER MAIN GROUP IS DEVELOPMENT STANDARD FLEXIBILITIES. SO THOSE WOULD BE THINGS LIKE PARKING STALL REDUCTIONS THAT WE DISCUSSED TONIGHT STORAGE SPACE REDUCTIONS IN PERVIOUS SURFACE REDUCTIONS. I'M PULLING THOSE OUT BECAUSE WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THOSE LATER ON. SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE INCENTIVES AND THEN I'M GOING TO PASS IT OVER TO PLANNING MANAGER GLENN AAGAARD TO TALK ABOUT HOW THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S ROLE INTERACTS WITH THE ACTUAL GENERAL AND COMMISSIONERS THE WAGE OR OPPORTUNITY HOUSING REALLY TOUCHES ON A LOT OF BODIES PORT AUTHORITY, HOUSING, REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY, CITY COUNCIL PLANNING COMMISSION AND OTHERS. SO I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S ROLE RELATIVE TO THOSE OTHER BODIES CERTAINLY WHAT'S WITHIN YOUR ROLE RELATIVE TO THE WAGE? I WAS REVIEWING DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS. WE HAD ONE TONIGHT AS PART OF THAT YOUR IS TO ENSURE THAT THOSE PROPOSED AFFORDABLE HOUSING PLANS COMPLY WITH THOSE STANDARDS AND THEN ANY INCENTIVE REQUESTS THAT ARE PROPOSED THROUGH THE ORIGINAL PROCESS REALLY FOR APPROPRIATE AND THAT'S THE CODE SECTION SAYS THE INCENTIVES ARE NOT MANDATED THEY'RE NOT YOU KNOW THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE GIVEN AWAY AND THE TEST REALLY IS IF ONE INCENTIVE WOULD HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING AREA THAT INSTEAD OF DOES NOT NEED TO BE APPROVED. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE LEVEL OF REVIEW THERE ANY NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON THE SURROUNDING AREA WITH, THE INCENTIVES AND THEN FINALLY AS YOU ARE TONIGHT, YOU WOULD REVIEW OR ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS PERIODICALLY A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT ARE OUTSIDE YOUR ROLE ARE FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE, YOU KNOW, DETERMINING THE LEVEL OF ASSISTANCE OR THE TYPE OF ASSISTANCE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE PORT AUTHORITY OR HRA ADDRESS AN EXCEPTION NON FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE COMES WITH TIFF AND LAW SAYS THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS RESPONSIBLE FOR DETERMINING A TIFF REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO WE'VE SEEN SEVERAL OF THOSE ITEMS COME BEFORE YOU BUT THEIR YOUR FOCUS IS VERY LIMITED AS A CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN ANOTHER AREA OUTSIDE ROLE IS COMPLIANCE WHICH IS PORT FOCUSED AND THEN ENFORCEMENT WHICH THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND PORT AUTHORITY WOULD WORK ON AS WELL AND THEN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND DECISIONS RELATED TO THAT ARE THE DOMAIN OF THE HOUSING AND REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY. SO JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT PLANNING COMMISSION'S ROLE RELATIVE TO THOSE OTHER BODIES . THANK YOU. SO I MENTIONED BEFORE THAT OCHOA INTERACTS WITH CITY COUNCIL AND CITY GOALS AND I'D SPECIFICALLY DRAW OUT BLOOMINGTON TO MARCH TOGETHER. BEATTY HAS ONE OF THOSE CITY CITY INITIATIVES THAT THE LHO IS DELIVERING ON SO THAT'S OF COURSE A CONNECTED WELCOMING COMMUNITY, A HEALTHY COMMUNITY AND A COMMUNITY WITH EQUITABLE EQUITABLE ECONOMIC GROWTH AND I WOULD SAY CREATING OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO BE WELCOME TO ENTER THE CITY AND FEEL VALUED IN THEIR HOME ALLOWS FOR A CONNECTION WITH NEIGHBORS IMPROVING HUMAN HEALTH, SAFETY AND SECURITY BY PROVIDING STABLE FOR PEOPLE IS CREATING A HEALTHY COMMUNITY AND CONTRIBUTING EQUITABLE JOB GROWTH BY PROVIDING WORKFORCE HOUSING IN , BLOOMINGTON IS CREATING A COMMUNITY WITH EQUITABLE ECONOMIC GROWTH. WE ALSO SEE THAT OCHOA WITH OUR MET COUNCIL NEED ALLOCATION SO THE METROPOLITAN COUNCIL FORECASTS FUTURE AFFORDABLE HOUSING NEEDS A REGIONAL ECONOMIC MODEL AND THEN ALLOCATE A SHARE OF THE OVERALL NEED TO COMMUNITIES IN THE METRO AND SO YOU CAN SEE IN THIS TABLE HERE ON THE BOTTOM ROW IS BLOOMINGTON'S SHARE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING NEED FOR THE PERIOD OF 2021 TO 2030. SO THOUGH METRO HAS BEEN DELIVERING ON THIS GOAL ALREADY, I'VE CALLED OUT ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN THAT WE'VE ALREADY ACHIEVED OUR GOAL FOR UNITS AFFORDABLE AT THE 60% TO THE 80% LEVEL FOR UNITS WE FAR EXCEEDED THAT GOAL. WE'RE MAKING GOOD PROGRESS ON 50% ARMY UNITS AND THAT WOULD BE REACHED AND EXCEEDED IF CURRENTLY APPROVED DEVELOPMENTS WERE TO BE CONSTRUCTED AND OPENED. BUT THERE'S MUCH MORE WORK TO BE DONE IN TERMS OF 30% AM I AND THAT'S THAT LOWEST LOWEST LEVEL OF AFFORDABILITY, MOST DIFFICULT TO REACH FOR DEVELOPERS AND OFTENTIMES THAT REQUIRES SUBSIDY FROM LOCAL SOURCES, STATE SOURCES AND FEDERAL SOURCES. SO WHAT SEE TONIGHT IS A LOT OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS ARE TRYING TO CREATE INCENTIVES FOR DEVELOPERS TO CREATE THOSE 30% UNITS SO THAT WE CAN SEE THOSE WORKING TOWARD OUR COUNCIL NEW GOALS. I'LL ALSO MENTION THAT THE HRA CONDUCTED A HOUSING NEEDS ANALYSIS IN 2018 AND DETERMINED THAT THERE WOULD BE A NEED FOR 745 UNITS AFFORDABLE BETWEEN 51% AND 80% AMI AND 319 UNITS AFFORDABLE AT 50% OR LESS BY 2030. SO THAT'S A TOTAL OF 1064 UNITS. SO EVEN IF IN A HIGHER NEED THAN WHAT MET COUNCIL HAS ALLOCATED TO US SO THIS IS HOW THE OVERALL IS HELPING THE CITY AND THE REGION ACHIEVE ITS AFFORDABLE HOUSING GOALS AND. SO BEFORE WE GET INTO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS I JUST WANTED TO TOUCH BRIEFLY ON WHAT UPCOMING WORK THERE IS IN REGARDS TO THE LHO. SO THE MAIN WORK THAT I'M DOING IN MY ROLE AS DEVELOPMENT SPECIALIST IS IMPLEMENTING THE COMPLIANCE PROGRAM AND THAT WILL BE FOR THE THE UNITS THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED SINCE ADOPTION OF THE LHO. SO THERE'S QUITE A FEW UNITS OUT THERE ALREADY. WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT THOSE UNITS ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS THAT THEY ENTERED INTO, THE REGULATORY AGREEMENTS THAT THEY ENTERED INTO AND ALSO ENSURE THAT THE TENANTS THAT ARE LIVING IN THOSE UNITS ARE ESSENTIALLY THEY'RE GETTING WHAT THEY WERE PROMISED THROUGH THE LHO. WE'LL ALSO BE WORKING ON UPDATING THE HOUSING NEXUS STUDY AS I MENTIONED THAT WAS DONE IN 2018 AND IT WAS ESSENTIALLY FOR FIVE YEAR PERIOD. THAT NEXUS STUDY IS HOW WE ESTABLISH THE PERCENT REQUIREMENT AND HOW WE ESTABLISHED THE RATE FOR PAYMENT OF FEE IN LIEU SO THAT IT'S A GOOD TIME TO UPDATE THAT HOUSING NEXUS STUDY AND WILL TO GATHER FEEDBACK FROM COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS AND ASSESS OUR OUTCOMES SO THIS OF COURSE THESE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS ARE PART OF THAT CONTINUALEEDBACK AND AMENDMENT. SO GETTING INTO PROPOSE AMENDMENTS WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SDY SESSIONS I MENTIONED NT TUESDAY ISHE HRA STUDY SESON AND TN ON WE G ALLF THAT FEEDBACK FROM THEHR COMMSIONS AND THEWO MMISSIONS AND T BOA WE WILL TSE IO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS AND BRING THEM BK EACH BODY IN FEUARY AND THEN PENDING A RECOMMEATION OF APPROVAL OF A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL FO APPROVAL THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS WOULD GO BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL IN MID-MARCH SO THE HOUSING ORDINANCE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS KIND OTHEY UNDER DIFFERENT TYPES AND YOU'LL HAVE SEEN THAT THEY'RE BROKEN OUT IN THE STAFF RORT THERE ARE MODIFICATIONS TO EXISTING LANGUAGE AND THOSE ARE THE MAIN PROPOSED AMENDMENTS THAT ALL THE SPECIFIC CONSIDERATIONS ON TONIGHT AND THERE'S ALSO NEW LANGUAGE AND MINOR UPDATES AND CLARIFICATIONS MINOR UPDATES AND CLARIFICATIONS AREN'T THEY? THEY'RE NOT TO IMPACT IMPLEMENTATION OF THE LHO. THE MAIN PURPOSE IS CLARITY AS WELL AS A ALIGNMENT WITH ORDINANCE ACROSS THE CITY. SO THE GOAL OF THE AMENDMENTS LARGELY IS TO AS STATED BEFORE RESPOND TO CHANGING ECONOMIC CIRCUMSTANCES, HOUSING NEEDS AND REAL ESTATE MARKET CONDITIONS. THERE THE GOAL IS TO CREATE MORE INCENTIVES OR BOLSTER THE INCENTIVES FOR DEVELOPMENT OF UNITS AFFORDABLE AT THAT 30% AMI LEVEL AND TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S A CLEAR AND TRANSPARENT PROCESS FOR DEVELOPERS TO INTERACT WITH THE OPPORTUNITY HOUSING ORDINANCE THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. AND SO THERE'S FIVE SPECIFIC ORDINANCE FIVE SPECIFIC MODIFICATIONS TO EXISTING LANGUAGE THAT IT WILL BE COVERING TONIGHT AND SEEING THAT THIS WENT TO THE PORT AUTHORITY ON TUESDAY. IT'S SOME OF THESE ITEMS WILL INCLUDE FEEDBACK FROM THAT PRESENTATION SO I WILL JUMP RIGHT IN TO THE FIRST ITEM WHICH IS A MODIFICATION TO THE EXISTING LANGUAGE OF SECTION 9.09 WHICH IS THE PAYMENT IN LIEU OF AFFORDABLE UNITS OPTION COMPLIANCE. SO AS CURRENTLY CONSTRUCTED THIS ALLOWS FOR DEVELOPERS TO ASSIGN AS MENTIONED BEFORE ASSIGN THEIR IN LIEU PAYMENT FOR AFFORDABLE UNIT TO AN OFF SITE DEVELOPMENT AN ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD INCLUDE 20% OF TOTAL DWELLING UNITS AT THAT 60% LEVEL. THE PROPOSED CHANGE IS THAT INSTEAD OF 20% OF THE TOTAL DWELLING UNITS OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT THAT THERE WOULD INSTEAD A REQUIREMENT TO PROVIDE THAT THAT NUMBER WHICH IS 9% OF THE TOTAL DWELLING UNITS OF THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT IN TO 11% OF THE UNITS IN THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT THIS THIS PROPOSED CHANGE IS TO ENSURE THAT IF THE PROPOSED HAS FAR FEWER UNITS THAN THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT THAT THE CITY IS NOT LOSING OUT ON GETTING FULL ALLOCATION OF AFFORDABLE UNITS THAT THE RACHEL WOULD HAVE REQUIRED IN THE PROPOSED CHANGE SCENARIO SO THE INTENT IS TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL CLARITY FOR INTERACTION IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS THE CONSIDERATION THAT WE'RE ASKING THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS MORE PHILOSOPHICAL AND WIDER RANGING THAN THE SPECIFIC PROPOSED BUT THE CONSIDERATION AS DOES ALLOWING FOR THIS OFFSITE DEVELOPMENT OF AFFORDABLE UNITS ALLOW FOR A GEOGRAPHIC SEGREGATION OF MERCURY UNITS FROM AFFORDABLE UNITS IS THE OBJECTIVE OF DISPERSION. THE WHOLE HAS OBJECTIVES FOR INTEGRATION OF AFFORDABLE UNITS AND MARKET RATE UNITS WITHIN BUILDINGS IT ALSO HAS THE OBJECTIVE OF DISPERSION OF AFFORDABLE UNITS GEOGRAPHICALLY ACROSS THE CITY. SO I WOULD WELCOME ANY THOUGHTS ON THE STUDY ITEM SO WE'LL TAKE THESE AS THEY COME THOUGHTS ON THAT WE DON'T HAVE A LIMIT DO ON HOW MANY I MEAN SO IF I DEVELOP SIX BUILDINGS AND I CHOOSE TO REDISTRIBUTE ALL SIX OF THOSE INTO A BUILDING THEN THAT BECOMES 70% WE DO ALLOW THAT CHAIRWOMAN COMMISSIONERS I UNDERSTAND IF THAT SCENARIO WERE TO TAKE PLACE THAT WOULD BE ALLOWABLE . I THINK JASON SCHMIDT MIGHT HAVE MORE INSIGHT ONTO THAT QUESTION. GOOD EVENING. CHAIR ROHMAN COMMISSIONER JASON SCHMIDT ASSISTANT PORT AUTHORITY ADMINISTRATOR SO WE WOULD ANALYZE THE SHOW WITH REGARDS TO THAT SO IT SPECIFICALLY STATES THAT OUR DEVELOPMENTS ARE ABLE TO PAY THE FEE IN LIEU AND THEN DESIGNATE THAT TO THE NEXT BUILDING. THERE IS A TIMEFRAME TO HOW HOW LONG THAT MONEY CAN SIT IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND BEFORE THAT DEVELOPMENT REQUIRED THE AFFORDABLE DEVELOPMENT IS REQUIRED TO START CONSTRUCT ATION AND SO THERE IS A TWO YEAR PERIOD STARTING ON THE DAY THAT THAT PAYMENT IS MADE TO THE CITY. SO WITHIN TWO YEARS FROM THAT DAY THE DEVELOPER IS REQUIRED TO GET FINAL OR EXCUSE ME PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR THEIR NEXT HOUSING AND SO IF THEY WERE ABLE TO GET THAT PDP THEN FOLLOW THE THE PROCESS THE TWO YEAR PROCESS OF HOW LONG THAT PDP IS APPROVED FOR AND THEY WERE THEN ABLE TO CREATE ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT TO DO A FEE IN LIEU IT MOST LIKELY COULD WORK BUT THERE IS A TIME CRUNCH AND IT WOULD BE VERY MOST LIKELY UP TO DEVELOPMENT COULD WORK PROBABLY OUT OF SEVEN. SO THE TIME FACTOR THERE IS LIKE OTHER FEEDBACK ON THIS QUESTION . OKAY THANK YOU CHAIRMAN. COMMISSIONERS JUST ARE ON TRACK. GREAT. MOVING TO THE NEXT ITEM, THIS IS SECTION 9.65.04 WHICH IS THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE REDUCTION AND AS PROPOSED ON TUESDAY TO THE PORT AUTHORITY ,THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN ESSENTIALLY A RETOOLING OF THIS INCENTIVE. SO THIS INCENTIVE HADN'T SEEN USE UP UNTIL THIS POINT. IT WAS A PART OF A AN AMENDMENT IN 2021 TO ADD ADDITIONAL INCENTIVES TO THE SHOW IT HASN'T SEEN USE YET AND AT THE ANNUAL THE ANNUAL SHOW REPORT IN 2023 THERE WAS A QUESTION ON IS THIS HELPING OR IS THIS CONTRIBUTING OR NOT CONTRIBUTING TO THE CITY'S GOALS OF ENVIRONMENTAL AND ENVIRONMENTAL RESILIENCE? SO IN DISCUSSION INTERNALLY WITH PLANNING AND ENVIRONMENTAL THERE WAS AN IDEA TO RETOOL THIS INCENTIVE TO APPLY TO COVER A COMMERCIAL CONVERSIONS TO HOUSING UNITS AND THIS IS ALSO TO RESPOND TO CHANGING ECONOMIC CIRCUMSTANCES. WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THE VACANCIES IN COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE BUILDINGS AND THE DESIRE TO REPURPOSE THOSE INTO HOUSING DWELLING UNITS. ONE POINT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP AT THE PORT AUTHORITY COMMISSION BY THE PORT AUTHORITY COMMISSION IS THAT WE MAY BE GETTING AHEAD OF OURSELVES IN TERMS OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENTS AND PLANNING COMMISSION'S INTENTION TO STUDY OFFICE CONVERSIONS AS PART OF THE 2024 WORK PLAN. SO PROPOSED CHANGE WAS ORIGINALLY TO ALLOW FOR CONVERSION PROJECTS THAT PROVIDE 20% OF THEIR TOTAL DWELLING UNITS AT 50% TO MAINTAIN THEIR MAXIMUM TO MAINTAIN THE MAXIMUM IMPERVIOUS SURFACE COVERAGE OF THE APPLICABLE COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT PRIOR TO CONVERSION TO RESIDENTIAL AT THIS POINT THE CONSIDERATION THAT I'M BRINGING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS IS IT BEST TO THIS ITEM THIS AMENDMENT BACK FOR CONSIDERATION ALONGSIDE OFFICE CONVERSION POLICIES AND THIS WOULD BE TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE NOT LOCKING AN OFFICE OR A COMMERCIAL BUILDING INTO ITS EXISTING STATE BECAUSE THEY CAN ONLY THEY CAN ONLY BE ASSURED A MAINTAINED IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AREA IF THEY PROVIDE THESE REQUIREMENTS. MR. GOLDMAN THANK YOU. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I JUST WHEN YOU'RE TALKING THROUGH THIS WAS THINKING ABOUT IS REALLY THE LIVABILITY OF THESE LOCATIONS AND GREEN SPACE AND AND HAVING THINK OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE YOU'RE THINKING OF A PARKING AND I'M THINKING IS THAT REALLY AN ATTRACTIVE PLACE FOR SOMEONE TO LIVE AND FOR CHILDREN TO PLAY AND NOT TO SAY THAT IT COULDN'T BE ACHIEVED IN WAYS LIKE SPORT COURTS OR THINGS LIKE THAT BUT I REALLY THINK THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT THIS HOLISTICALLY. THE OFFICE CONVERSION PLAN AND NOT HIGH IMPERVIOUS SURFACE WITH AFFORDABILITY BECAUSE I THINK GREEN SPACES A RIGHT NOT A PRIVILEGE THAT'S JUST MY $0.02 COMMISSIONER I COOKED AND THANKS MR. CHAIR I, I AGREE WITH HOLDING THIS BACK. I THINK CONVERSION COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL IS VERY COMPLEX. IT IS NOT AS SIMPLE AS OH WE GOT A BUILDING THAT DOESN'T HAVE A TENANT. LET'S PUT PEOPLE IN THERE. IT'S SO MUCH MORE COMPLEX THAN THAT AND I'M NOT SURE HOW PRACTICAL IS I MEAN A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THE MARKET IS REALLY RESPONDING TO THIS BECAUSE OF THE DESIGN COMPLEXITIES FROM AN ARCHITECTURE STANDPOINT MAN IS IT EXPENSIVE TOO? I'M PROBABLY SPEAKING OUT BUT IT'S CERTAINLY COMPLEX BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE UTILITIES WHERE YOU WANT THEM, YOU DON'T HAVE ACCESS WHERE YOU WANT IT AND IT'S NOT AN EASY THING AND I'M NOT READY TO MAKE ANY CHANGES ON THAT TYPE CONVERSION STUFF UNTIL WE STUDY IT. I'M NOT SURE HOW LIKE I'M NOT EVEN SURE WE SHOULD BE PUSHING IT AND I THINK IT'S SO COMPLEX AND SO I'M NOT READY TO I THINK WE SHOULD HOLD THIS BACK . CHRIS SHOUKRY, THANK YOU. SURE. MY ONLY QUESTION THIS IS IF WE'RE TRYING TO PROMOTE A 30% AMP, IS THAT THE REASON THIS WAS SET AT THE GOAL WHICH WE'VE ALREADY ACHIEVED EARLY JERRAM AND COMMISSIONER CURRIE THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION AS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED AS WHEN I WAS ASKING FOR CONSIDERATIONS ON TUESDAY THAT WAS MORE OF THE THE QUESTION WAS THIS AN APPROPRIATE AFFORDABILITY LEVEL? SO I THINK IF WE WERE NOT TALKING ABOUT HOLDING THIS BACK I THINK THAT BE AN EXCELLENT QUESTION TO ASK. WOULD THIS BE A A PRIME OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE ANOTHER INCENTIVE FOR THOSE FOR CREATION OF THOSE 30% UNITS? SO I, I AGREE I THINK THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION TO ASK AND WE CAN KEEP THAT IN MIND IF WHEN THIS MOVES IF AND WHEN THIS MOVES ALONGSIDE THE OFFICE CONVERSION WORK ITEM TO MR. GOLTZMAN THANK YOU. ONE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE AROUND THAT JUST IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AND COVERAGE WE STILL HAVE THE WATERSHED DISTRICT TO CONTEND WITH AS WELL. SO I GUESS THE QUESTION THAT I WOULD HAVE FOR STAFF IS WHAT IS THE APPLICABILITY OF THIS WHEN WE KNOW THAT THERE OFFICE BUILDINGS THAT HAVE TO COMPLY WITH WATERSHED DISTRICT AND IMPERVIOUS STANDARDS SO THAT'S ANOTHER LAYERED ATTACK INCOME FOR ME ON THE CORE QUESTION SHOULD BE SHOULD COME HAND IN GLOVE WITH THE OTHER STUDY YES THANK YOU. THANK YOU CHAIR COMMISSIONERS UNDER THE NEXT ITEM SECTION 9.19 WHICH IS THE PARKING REDUCTION. SO THERE HAS BEEN SOME DISCUSSION ON THIS TIE IT SO AS CURRENTLY CONSTRUCTED THE PARKING REDUCTION INCENTIVES ARE HIGHLY FAVORED BY DEVELOPERS THEY'VE BEEN FOR DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE AN AFFORDABILITY COMPONENT SO THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO THIS INCENTIVE THEY'VE ALL UTILIZED THE INCENTIVE SINCE 2021 THE PROPOSED CHANGE WOULD BE THAT IF DEVELOPMENTS SEEK A PARKING REDUCTION INCENTIVE ABOVE THAT 10% LEVEL THAT THE THE CITY ENGINEER OR THEIR DESIGNEE WOULD HAVE THE DISCRETIONARY OPTION TO REQUIRE A PARKING TO REQUIRE THE TO UNDERTAKE A PARKING STUDY. THIS IS IN REACTION TO ONE OF SOME OF THE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS HAVE GONE THROUGH THAT THAT WERE ABLE TO SECURE A HIGHER PARKING REDUCTION INCENTIVE AND HAVE SINCE SOME RESIDENTS THAT HAVE BEEN RENTING FROM UNITS HAVE HAD DIFFICULTY FINDING PARKING OR THOSE BUILDINGS HAVE SEEN RESIDENTS PARKING ON STREETS THAT AREN'T PART OF THE THE DESIGNATED PARKING FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT SO DISCUSSION WITH PUBLIC WORKS THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO ALLOW FOR STAFF DISCRETION TO REQUIRE A PARKING. THE THE CONSIDERATION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS IF THAT PROPOSED THRESHOLD FOR ALLOWING THE STAFF TO REQUIRE A PARKING STUDY IS APPROPRIATE AND FOLLOWING DISCUSSION AND FEEDBACK WITH PORT AUTHORITY IS THIS PROPOSED PROPOSED CHANGE INCREASING OR DECREASING TRANSPARENCY OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS? AS I MENTIONED, THE INTENT IS TO PROVIDE CLARITY FOR HOW THE APPROACH INTERACTS WITH DEVELOPERS IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS BUT THE POINT BROUGHT UP BY THE PORT AUTHORITY IS THAT IF DEVELOPERS SEE THAT THIS THIS REQUIREMENT COME IN AFTER THEY EXCEED THAT CERTAIN LIMIT THEN THEY MIGHT HAVE INCREASED UNCERTAINTY. THEY MIGHT NOT KNOW IF THIS WILL BE AN ADDITIONAL COST THAT THEY'LL HAVE TO UNDERTAKE THIS TRICKERY. THANK YOU, CHAIR. GENERALLY SPEAKING I WOULD SAY THE COST OF DEVELOPMENT HAS CONTINUES TO GO UP AND I THINK THE CITY HAS TAKEN SOME ACTIVE MEASURES TO TRY AND REDUCE THE COST OF DEVELOPING NEW HOUSING. SO MY MY THINKING IS THAT YOU DO NOT GIVE THE CITY ADDITIONAL ABILITY TO REQUIRE MORE STUDIES AND, INCREASE THE COST OF DEVELOPMENT FOR RESIDENTIAL. THANKS FOR SURE. MR. NIEMEYER CAN YOU CLARIFY SO WE'VE THE CITY HAS BEEN RECEIVING COMPLAINTS ABOUT PARKING PROBLEMS. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. MR. KIRTON. YEAH. SO THERE WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD IS THERE IS A DEVELOPMENT THAT GOT HIGHER MORE CLOSER TO THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF PARKING DUCTION AND IS HAVING DIFFICULTY PROVIDING SPACES FOR ALL RESIDENTS AND THAT WOULDNCLU GUESTS THE BUILDI. I THINK IN IS CASE THE SPECIF SCENARIO IS DIICUL WITH GUES HING ENOUGH PLACES TO PARK THEIR PARKING O THE STRT IAN WHERE STRT PARKI ISN RMITTED. MR. CHAIR, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO ASK WHICH DEVELOPMENT THAT IS JEROME AND COMMISSIONER KURKJIAN I THINK WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT. IT'S THE CADENCE DEVELOPMENT ON OLD CEDAR AVENUE AT EDITH. MM HMM. HELP ME LOCATE 80TH STREET AND THE AND JUST SOUTH AMERICAN SIDE OF THE MALL. YEP. WEST OF THE PARK. WHERE THE PARK. SO IS IT JUST THE ONE? SORRY, I DON'T I MEAN, DO THAT . SURE. AND AS FAR AS I KNOW, IT'S JUST THE ONE THAT THAT I'VE HEARD A SPECIFIC DISCUSSION AROUND THIS TERM KIND OF RUNNING THROUGH MY HEAD. HOW MANY YOU KNOW, HOW MANY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS WE'VE HAD. IT'S 15 UNDER THE AGE OF SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAS BEEN A LOT AND I I'D BE CURIOUS TO LOOK AT THAT CASE SPECIFICALLY. I'M A LITTLE HESITANT TO MAKE A BROAD CHANGE TO WHAT WE'RE DOING BASED OF ONE PROBLEM MAYBE WE WERE TOO AGGRESSIVE THERE. DID YOU LOOK AT THAT PARTICULAR APPLICATION AND CAN YOU PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE OF LIKE WE THINK THIS WAS THE PROBLEM AT THIS ONE AND I DON'T MEAN TO HAMMER ON THIS DEVELOPER. I DON'T THINK IT'S ANYBODY'S FAULT JUST TRYING TO GET MORE INFORMATION TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE CAN DO BETTER. I MIGHT BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE CONTEXT OF THAT. SO THE CADENCE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, KENNY WAS REFERRING TO AND THAT'S PRETTY SPECIFIC SCENARIO THEY WERE RIGHT THE THRESHOLD AS FAR AS THEIR REDUCTION IN PARKING GOES SO THEY WERE RIGHT AT THAT NUMBER. THEY MET THE QUALIFICATIONS TO QUALIFY THAT. THE ISSUE THAT CAME FORWARD AS KENNY MENTIONED AFTER THE FACT WAS THAT THERE WASN'T SPOTS ON SITE. THE SPECIFIC INSTANCE WAS THERE WAS A CAREGIVER THAT WAS THERE FOR A RESIDENT AND THEY WERE HAVING TROUBLE FINDING PLACES PARK ON SITE THE ADJACENT STREETS AREAS AND OLD CEDAR AVENUE ASSIGNED NO PARKING STAFF WAS ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME ON STREET PARKING IN THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION BECAUSE THERE WAS AVAILABILITY AS RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD WE COULD OPEN UP SOME PARKING TO TO ACCOMMODATE THAT SOME OF THE CONCERN THAT STAFF FROM ENGINEERING PUBLIC WORKS HAD WAS SPEAKING OF FOR EXAMPLE 700 AMERICAN BOULEVARD THAT AREA THERE IS NO OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE ON STREET PARKING IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO SITE IF THERE WERE AN ISSUE WITH THE REDUCTION PROVIDED BY THE OLD. SO SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE THERE WERE PUT FORWARD BY STAFF FROM ENGINEERING WAS IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD REMEDY THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T CAUSE AN ISSUE BY APPROVING THIS REDUCTION IN PARKING BASED ON THE ORIGINAL INCENTIVES? IF WE KNOW THERE'S NO WAY THE CITY CAN PROVIDE ASSISTANCE IF THERE DOES BECOME AN ISSUE IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU. SO MR. NIEMEYER THE PROPOSAL HERE AS YOU STATED IT READS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S WRITTEN ON THE SLIDE HERE. SO SLIDE SUGGESTS THAT DEVELOPERS THAT SEEK A PARKING REDUCTION INCENTIVE ABOVE 10% MAY BE REQUIRED TO UNDERTAKE A PURCHASE AND SO I GUESS THE KEY WORD HERE IS MAYBE SO TO CLARIFY THAT'S AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CITY IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT. CHAIR COMMISSIONER IS CORRECT THAT WOULD BE A DISCRETION OF THE STAFF. I HAVE SOME MIXED FEELINGS BUT I SUPPORTIVE OF THIS BECAUSE WE DO HAVE SOME NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE NO ON STREET PARKING THAT WAS ONE OF MY CONCERNS WHEN WE YOU KNOW I WAS HERE WHEN WE WERE DOING RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND NORM DID LIKE OFFICE PARK ZERO ON STREET PARKING AND I WAS CONCERNED BEING REALLY AGGRESSIVE WITH THE PARKING REDUCTION IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE ESPECIALLY WITH LIKE SENIOR HOUSING THAT'S AS RISKY TO NOT YOU KNOW, TO NOT HAVE THAT AND SO I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND COMMISSIONER CURRY STANDPOINT WHERE I DON'T LIKE ADDING ADDITIONAL LAYERS OF COMPLEXITY AND ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, MAKING THEM UNDERTAKE A PARKING STUDY MAKES THAT MORE COMPLICATED BUT IF IS AT OUR DISCRETION. I THINK I COULD SUPPORT THIS ONE BUT I'M NOT 100% THERE. I WONDER I WONDER THOUGH THE QUESTION THAT'S THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET AT IS THE RIGHT QUESTION AND. I DON'T KNOW THIS IS MAYBE WHAT WE DO OR WHAT WE DON'T DO AS A AS THE CITY SIDE OF THE APPLICATION PROCESS. AND I KNOW THERE'S THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE THAT DOES A LOT OF THIS STUFF . I DON'T KNOW HOW HARD IT IS FOR US AS A CITY THE STAFF TO LOOK AT AN APPLICATION AND SAY WELL WE CAN CLEARLY SEE THAT ALL FOUR OF THESE STREETS HAVE NO PARKING. DO YOU NEED A PARKING STUDY TO KNOW THAT NOTHING WITHIN A FOUR BLOCK RADIUS HAS PARKING JUST FOR EXAMPLE? AND SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH AND IT'S YES, WE NEED TO DO THAT. ON THE OTHER WE KNOW SOME OF THIS STUFF OR I MIGHT NEED TO REALLY TRIGGER THAT IN THIS AREA BUT IF I'M BUILDING OVER HERE AT 98TH AND LYNDALE THAT MAY NOT BE AN ISSUE BECAUSE IT'S WELL BY TRANSIT FOR EXAMPLE. SO IT'S MAYBE A LITTLE NUANCED SO THAT MAYBE WHERE YOU GET TO THE MAY PART BUT I THINK YOU WOULD NEED MORE I NEED SOME MORE IDEAS WHAT MIGHT TRIGGER THE MAY IN ORDER TO BE COMFORTABLE WITH THE MAY QUESTION SIR. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER CURRIE EXCUSE ME AND I WOULD NOT WANT TO SEE DEVELOPERS HAVE, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL COSTS POSSIBLY HURT AND FACE UNCERTAINTY AT THE SAME TIME I JUST KIND OF SECOND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. COMMISSIONER CREIGHTON, YOU KNOW, IF THERE WERE LET'S SAY TO BE A SENIOR DEVELOPMENT AND THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARKING OR LIKE AS YOU SAID THE 7700 AMERICAN BOULEVARD SO THERE'S NOT STREET PARKING, RIGHT. THAT THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE. SO IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO LIKE LOOK IT CASE BY CASE AND THEN DECIDE YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF HAVING JUST OVERALL YOU KNOW, THE REDUCTION INCENTIVE WHERE WE ARE TO LOOK AT IT CASE BY CASE OR YOU KNOW, CITY LOOK AT A CASE BY CASE AND THEN YOU KNOW, DECIDE IF SHOULD BE A STUDY DONE THEN IT'S KIND OF LIKE THAT'S COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT I THINK YOU CHAIR I THINK THE ANSWER TO THE SECOND QUESTION THERE'S DOES THIS PROPOSED CHANGE INCREASE OR DECREASE TRANSPORT ? I THINK IT DECREASES TRANSPARENCY GIVEN THE TERMINOLOGY OF MAY REQUIRED. I THINK SOMETHING CERTAIN EVEN IF IT IT IS REQUIRED PROBABLY IS BETTER FOR DEVELOPERS TO HAVE A CERTAINTY RATHER THAN UNCERTAINTY. I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT IT SAYS IS REQUIRED. I JUST THINK IF THE QUESTION IS DOES IT DECREASE INCREASE TRANSPARENCY, IT DEFINITELY DECREASES TRANSPARENCY. SHOULD I GOTTEN I'M SORRY. NO, YOU'RE FINE. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT I WROTE DOWN ME VERSUS SHELL IN MY NOTES BECAUSE WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT THAT TOO. AND I THINK IT'S TO IT'S N CLEAR WHEN THEY ARE GOING TO BE REQUIRED OR NOT. THE OTHER QUESTION I THINK I HAVE IS REALLY JUST LOOKING AT IS THE 10% THE RIGHT NUMBER? I KNOW MOST OF AND NOT MOST ALL OF THE APPLICANTS IN FRONT OF US HAVE ASKED FOR A REDUCTION IN PARKING AND SO I WOULD ASK STAFF TO LOOK TO SEE WHAT THE AVERAGE IS AND IS 10% THE RIGHT NUMBER? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S RIGHT OR WRONG BUT IT JUST SEEMS THAT MAYBE 10% BECAUSE WE ARE OVER PARKED IN 8020 RULE THAT'S PROBABLY TOO LOW IN SOME CASES. SO IT'S LIKE $0.02. THE ONLY OTHER THING I HAVE TO IS IF WE DO HAVE ANY CHANGES IN PARKING REDUCTION OVERALL, PARTICULARLY IN MULTIFAMILY THEN 10% MAYBE 10% OF LESS PARKING IS LESS. SO YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS ONE PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE PUSHED THE ROAD BUT MY PERSPECTIVE IS I THINK THERE'S JUST A LOT OF LAYERS THERE AND SO IF IF IT DOES COME BACK AS IF IF STAFF TO BRING IT BACK AS A RECOMMENDATION IN A MONTH OR TWO WHENEVER IT COMES BACK, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO KNOW WHAT ARE THOSE WHAT ARE WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT OKAY YOU COULD IN THESE SITUATIONS HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THESE SITUATIONS OR WHATEVER THAT IS BECAUSE I THINK YOU KNOW, AGAIN THE WHOLE OVERPASS UNDERPASS WHATEVER I'M NOT AFRAID OF PEOPLE PARKING ON THE STREETS. I KNOW THAT WE HAVE AN AVERSION OFTENTIMES IN THE SUBURBS TO, PEOPLE PARKING ON THE STREETS AND WE HAVE THESE MASSIVELY LARGE STREETS THAT YOU PARK PLENTY OF CARS. SO I, I DON'T NEED THE GAS TO ABLE TO PARK THREE FEET FROM THE DOOR. I FEEL DIFFERENTLY ABOUT RESIDENTS. BUT YOU KNOW, IN THE CASE WHERE WE HEARD ABOUT, YOU KNOW ,THE STREET PARKING WASN'T AN OPTION BUT I DON'T THINK HAVING GAS PARK ON THE STREET IS A PROBLEM WITH SUGARY DRINKS. THANK YOU CHAIR WE SHOULD PROBABLY JUST LOOK AT A MAP THAT SAYS NO PARKING ANYWHERE AROUND THE DEVELOPMENT IF WE'RE SHORT PARKING ON THE DEVELOPMENT. RIGHT, THAT'S IT. IT'S LIKE A IT'S A COMPLEX ISSUE. MR. CHAIR. IT REALLY IS HOW MUCH TRANSIT HAVE WHICH I THINK YOU MENTIONED THE STREETS AROUND IT, THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT IS IT SENIOR HOUSING OR NOT? HOW HOW BUSY ARE STREETS? I DON'T WANT TO I DON'T KNOW. I'M NOT READY TO QUITE MAKE A DECISION ON THIS ONE AND IF WE DO SEE IT COME BACK TO YOUR I THINK DATA IS GOOD. THIS COMMISSION DOES WELL WHEN WE SEE DATA AND THIS THIS ONE SEEMS LIKE A DATA DRIVEN DECISION TO ME SO IF WE COULD GET SOME ADDITIONAL DATA HERE TO HELP US MAKE THE DECISION NEXT TIME AROUND, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE. GOOD. THANK YOU CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS. I'M REALIZING I KNOW THAT WE'VE MOVED ON FROM IT BUT THE PREVIOUS ONE THAT WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO DELAY THIS PERMEABLE. I THINK IT WILL IF IT DOES COME BACK IN A YEAR OR WHENEVER I WOULD THAT IT'S DONE TO THE SUSTAINABILITY COMMISSION NOT JUST THE SENATE STAFF. I THINK A TRICK QUESTION THAT POPPED INTO MY HEAD OH IT'S GOT THANK YOU. IT'S HELPFUL. YES. OKAY. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. THE NEXT ITEM IS SECTION 9.23 WHICH IS THE STORAGE SPACE REDUCTION INCENTIVE AS CURRTLY IN THE THIS ALLOWS DEVELOPERS WHO MEET THE OPPORTUNITY HOUSING ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT WHICH IS 9% OF TOTAL DWELLING IT'S AT 60% AMI TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF REQUIRED STORAGE SPACES BY 50%. THIS IS STORAGE SPACE EXTERNAL TO THE UNIT. IF 20% OF TOTAL DWELLING UNITS ARE AFFORDABLE AT 50% THEN THAT REQUIREMENT REDUCED BY 75% OR MAYBE THE PROPOSED CHANGE WOULD BE THE INCENTIVES TO INCENTIVIZE 3% OF UNITS AND MAKE DEVELOPMENTS THAT INCLUDE THOSE UNITS FIND IT MORE FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE IT WOULD BE TO ALLOW A DEVELOPMENT THAT PROVIDES 20% OF TOTAL DWELLING UNITS AT 30% AMI TO COMPLETELY REDUCE THAT STORAGE SPACE REQUIREMENT BY 100%. THE CONSIDERATION IS DOES REMOVING THE REQUIREMENT FOR STORAGE SPACE RESULT IN OVERCROWDING OF UNITS OR OTHER STORAGE ISSUES? THIS WAS THIS CONSIDERATION WAS BROUGHT TO THE PORT AUTHORITY AND THEY SHARED THIS CONCERN. CONCERN ITSELF WAS BROUGHT TO ME BY ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH IN DISCUSSION THIS SPECIFIC AMENDMENT AND SO I BRING CONSIDERATION TO YOU AS WELL. MR. GOLTZMAN THANK SIR. I JUST WANT CLARIFICATION HERE. SO IF 1% OF THE UNITS ARE AT THAT 30%, THEY WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED TO HAVE ANY SPACE REGARDLESS OF THE LEVEL. CORRECT. TAKAHASHI CORRECT. AND THAT WOULD BE EXTERNAL STORAGE SO THIS WOULDN'T IMPACT REQUIREMENTS FOR THE BUILDING CODE IS FOR FOR WITHIN A UNIT A CLOSET VERSUS IT'S MORE LIKE A CAGE IN A GARAGE SPACE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OKAY. DO WE HAVE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS OR REQUIREMENTS ON THOSE STORAGE SPACE DIMENSIONS ARE OR DO THEY JUST HAVE HAVE THEM CHECKED AND COMMISSIONED? I HAVE THAT IN FRONT ME SO FOR DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE NO DEDICATED BICYCLE STORAGE THE REQUIREMENT IS 175 CUBIC FEET PER UNIT IF THEY DO HAVE A DEDICATED BIKE STORAGE THE REQUIREMENT 96 CUBIC UNIT CUBIC FEET PER UNIT THAT WHICH IS NOT TERRIBLY BIG BUT WHEN YOU GET IN THE CUBIC FEET YES . YES I THINK WE'VE SEEN SOME DEVELOPMENTS WHERE THE STORAGE SPACES HAVE BEEN AN I. I THINK THIS THINK THIS IS GREAT. I MEAN I THINK I THINK ENCOURAGING FOLKS TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE UNITS AT 30% GIVEN GIVEN THE THE LAYOUT OF UNITS THAT WE'VE SEEN AND THE AMOUNT OF CLOSETS THAT SOME OF THESE UNITS HAVE. I MEAN WAY MORE CLOSET SPACE THAN I HAVE IN MY HOUSE. AND SO I JUST THINK THAT I THINK THIS IS A GOOD INCENTIVE. I, I, I DON'T THINK THAT WE WOULD BE SEEING ANY OF UNITS OR STORAGE ISSUES PLUS WE HAVE A LOT OF SELF STORAGE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON TOO SO WE WE DON'T WANT WHAT WE DON'T WANT MORE WE HAVE LOTS OF IT. THIS WAS ANOTHER ONE WHERE I THINK WE HAD ONE THAT CAME BEFORE US THAT WANTED LESS STORAGE AND IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN EVEN I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS JUST A REGULAR DEVELOPMENT AND AND PROBABLY COULDN'T BE GATHERED OR MAYBE IT COULD BE GATHERED AT LEAST SOME LEVEL OF DATA BEFORE THIS COMES BACK AGAIN. BUT NONE OF DEVELOPERS SEEM TO BE ABLE TO TELL US WHAT THEIR TAKE RATE WAS ON STORAGE. YEAH I FIND SHOCKING YOU KNOW LIKE ARE YOU ARE YOU FILLING 20% OF YOUR STORAGE UNITS OR ARE YOU FILLING ALL OF THEM? I MEAN I HAVE A FEELING THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY COULD MAKE MONEY IN FILLING ON IT, IT WOULD BE IF THERE WAS WAY TO HAVE A GAUGE ABOUT YEAH WE REQUIRE THIS AND ONLY HALF OF THEM ARE BEING FILLED ANYWAYS THIS MIGHT BE A MOOT POINT OR WHAT THE PRICE IS OF IT AS WELL. I MEAN FOR SOMEONE WHO'S AT 30% AM I I WOULD VENTURE TO GUESS RIGHT I VENTURE TO GUESS THAT THAT IS PROHIBITIVE COST PROHIBITIVE. THE ONE THING I WOULD ADD IS AND SORRY TO SAY SOMETHING I THINK BIKE STORAGE SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN HERE AS WELL. IF YOU'RE GOING TO ELIMINATE STORAGE ENTIRELY PARTICULARLY IF WE ARE GOING TO BE A MORE BIKE FRIENDLY COMMUNITY THAT THERE WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT THAT THERE WOULD BE ONSITE BIKE STORAGE OF SOME I'M NOT SAYING YOU HAVE TO HAVE STATE OF THE ART WITH SHOWERS AND TOOLS AND ALL THAT JAZZ BUT AT LEAST SOMEPLACE FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE BIKES THAT THEY'RE NOT IN THEIR UNITS. MM HMM. COMMISSIONER, I DID WANT TO PROVIDE ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION ON WHICH IS IN OUR OASO THAT THE AFFORDABLE UNITS IN A DEVELOPMENT ARE TO BE PROVIDED THE EXTERNAL STORAGE SPACE INCLUDED IN THEIR RENT AND THAT THAT AMOUNT CAN'T EXCEED THE RENT LIMIT THAT THAT UNIT HAS. AND THAT WOULD BE THE SAME CASE IF YOU WERE CONSIDERING A PARKING REDUCTION IS THAT THOSEFFORDABLE UNITS IN THAT DEPARTMENT WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO PARKING STALL WITHOUT EXTRA COST OR TO THEIR RENT LIM. WELL I WOU LIKE TO SUPPORT MYXPRESS MY SUPPORT FOR THIS ONEHEN I W IN COLLE LIVING AT 0% AND IIDOT CAREF I WAS CROWD IMY APARTMENT ITAS MORE IMPORTANT THATT SHEAPHAN IF I HADOXES TTING. AN SOF WE'RERYING TO SERVE A MART HERE, E MARK IS TELLING U FOR WHATEV REAN IN THEIR LE CIRCUMSTAN IS THEY NEE AFRDAB RENTS ANDS ONE WH USED TO BEN THAT SCENAR I DN'TARE ABO OVERCROWDING. SO AS LONG AS WE' NOT OVERCROWDING PEOPLE OR SOMETHING CRAZY I'M FINE. I LIKE THIS ONE THAT'S SUGARY. YEP I SUPPORT IT MAKES SENSE WHAT YOU NEED IN THAT ONE. YES. THANK YOU CHAIR COMMISSIONERS OKAY ONE MORE. THIS IS SECTION 9.27 WHICH IS THE EXPEDITED REVIEW OF PLANS AND INCENTIVES AS CURRENTLY WRITTEN IN THE HOPE THIS IS AN INCENTIVE AVAILABLE TO DEVELOPERS WHO HAVE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS IN THE GATEWAY WHICH IS A GEOGRAPHIC AREA TO THE WEST AND SOUTHWEST OF THE SOUTH LOOP AREA THE IF THEY A DEVELOPMENT IN THE GATEWAY AREA WITH 15% OF TOTAL DWELLING UNITS AT 60% AREA MEDIAN INCOME THEY MAY BE MOVED THE FRONT OF REVIEW QUEUE FOR FOR BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATIONS THE PROPOSED CHANGE TO GIVE BACKGROUND THE GATEWAY AREA AS A PRIORITY FOR THE CITY IS IS NOT A PRIORITY AREA IN TERMS OF ORDINANCE SO AS YOU MAY HAVE SEEN IN THE MINOR AMENDMENTS AND CLARIFICATION SECTION REFERENCES TO THE GATEWAY ARE BEING REMOVED FROM THE OJO. SO IN REVIEWING THIS INCENTIVE WHICH IS IS HINGED ON THE GATEWAY AREA WE WANTED TO SEE IF THERE WAS A WAY TO RETOOL IT TO INCENTIVIZE THOSE 30% UNITS. SO IN THIS CASE THE PROPOSED CHANGE WOULD BE EXPANDING THE INCENTIVES CITYWIDE AND IF DEVELOPERS WERE TO PROVIDE ANY AMOUNT OF AFFORDABLE UNITS OR BELOW 30% AMI THAT THEY WOULD BE ELIGIBLE TO MOVE TO THE FRONT OF THE REVIEW. Q FIRST FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IS APPROPRIATE IS PROVIDING ANY AMOUNT OF UNITS AN AFFORDABLE BASELINE OR SHOULD THERE BE A MINIMUM PERCENTAGE OR ANY OTHER CONSIDERATIONS WITH THIS AND I HAD MEANT TO MENTION EARLIER ON WITH MY BACKGROUND OF THE BUT THESE THESE REQUIREMENTS APPLY TO DEVELOPMENTS 20 OR MORE UNITS IF A DEVELOPMENT HAS FEWER THAN 20 UNITS THEY MAY ESSENTIALLY ELECT TO BE SUBJECT TO THE REQUIREMENTS THE OJO SO THAT THEY MAY HAVE ACCESS TO THE INCENTIVES BUT IN CONSIDERING THESE AMENDMENTS IT'S PRIMARILY FOR DEVELOPMENTS OF 20 UNITS AND ABOVE. DO WE KNOW ON AVERAGE WHAT'S THE PRACTICAL EFFECT OF MOVING TO THE FRONT TIME? IS IT A TWO WEEK TO MONTH, TWO YEAR YEAH TERM AND IT VARIES OF COURSE BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING IT'S 1 TO 2 WEEKS AND. Q SO 1 TO 2 WEEKS TIME SAVINGS THEORETICALLY SO IT'S MORE OF A SOUNDS GOOD. HAVE PEOPLE USED THIS IN THE PAST CHAIR QUESTIONNAIRES AND GOING TO THE SLIDE THAT SAYS THAT FOR THE TRYING TO LOCATE IN OF THE FIFTH SIXTH ONE EIGHTH YES THANK YOU EXPERT REVIEW OF PLANS 30% OF DEVELOPMENTS UTILIZED AND WE CAN SEE THE LIST HERE OF WHICH DEVELOPMENTS UTILIZE THAT SO IT WAS THAT 9.27 SO THAT'S FOUR DEVELOPMENTS THAT IF UTILIZED THAT INCENTIVE JUST TO LOOKING AT THIS I I'M A HUGE SUPPORTER OF MOVING THIS CITY WIDE ONE OF YOUR PRIOR CONVERSATION PRIOR QUESTIONS WAS AROUND SEGREGATION AND MAKING SURE THAT EQUITABLE THROUGHOUT OUR CITY AND I THE THING I READ WAS WELL WE'RE GOING TO PRIORITIZE THESE LOWER INCOMES INTO ONE LOCATION WITHIN THE CITY AND THAT JUST DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT TO ME. SO CITY WIDE 100% BEHIND THAT AGAIN I THINK THIS IS FINE. I THINK IT'S MORE A FEEL GOOD CHANGE THAN A PRACTICAL CHANGE BUT YEAH MR. CHAIR WHEN I HEARD TWO WEEKS TO ME THIS IS NOT AND I JUST IT DOESN'T FEEL A BIG DEAL AS SOMEONE WHO USED TO BE IN THE DESIGN WORLD AND WORK WITH DEVELOPMENTS I MEAN TWO WEEKS CAN HAPPEN BECAUSE OF A BOLT WAS THE WRONG SIZE MEAN IT'S LIKE TWO WEEKS IF IT WAS SIX MONTHS I FEEL MORE STRONGLY ABOUT IT BUT I'LL JUST TAKE STANCE RECOMMENDATION ON THIS ONE. YEAH. THANK YOU CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS SO THOSE WERE THE SPECIFIC CONSIDERATIONS THAT I WANTED TO BRING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TONIGHT BUT I WOULD OPEN OPEN TO FEEDBACK THAT YOU HAVE ON ANYTHING WE COVERED OR ANYTHING IN THE STAFF REPORT. I ALSO WANTED TO SHARE FEEDBACK FROM THE PORT AUTHORITY ON TUESDAY THE TWO SUMMARIZE THE IDEAS THAT WERE SHARED. PORT AUTHORITY RECOMMENDS THAT WE BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT HOW IS UNDERTAKEN WITH REGARD TO DEVELOPERS AND PROPERTY MANAGERS IN MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE OJO ESPECIALLY PERTAINING TO ADDITIONAL AMENDMENTS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING HERE. ONE IN SPECIFIC THAT WAS DISCUSSED IS EXPANSION OF THE OJO OBJECTIVE FOR COMPARABLE DESIGN OF MARKET RATE UNITS AND AFFORDABLE UNITS TO INCLUDE IN UNIT AMENITIES. SO THE PROPOSAL THAT CASE WAS FOR EXAMPLE IF A MARKET RATE UNIT HAS A BALCONY OR IN UNIT LAUNDRY THAT A COMPARABLE OF COMPARABLE AMOUNT OF AFFORDABLE UNITS IN THAT SAME DEVELOPMENT HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE AMENITIES. SO THE PORT AUTHORITY WANTED TO STRESS THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO LEVERAGE THESE REQUIREMENTS WE BE ABLE TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH THEM. THEY ALSO SHOULD TO ENSURE THAT AMENDMENTS TO THE OJO DO NOT PURPOSEFULLY PURPOSE LAWLESSLY RESTRICT THE CITY'S INTERACTION WITH DEVELOPERS DEVELOPMENT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS SO ALLOWING THE CITY TO REMAIN FLEXIBLE IN NEGOTIATIONS WITH DEVELOPERS. SO I WANTED TO SHARE THOSE TAKEAWAYS FROM THAT TUESDAY MEETING AND THEN OPEN IT UP. CAN YOU KNOW WE' TALKED OUT THIS PROBABLY BACK WHEN WE FIRST DID LHO BUT WHEN DEVELOPERS BRING US A PLAN ARE THE SPECIFIC UNITS THAT THE REQUIREMENT ARE THOSE TYPICALLY IDENTIFIED AT THE TIME OF THE PLAN SHARED COMMISSION DO YOU MEAN WITHIN THE SITE PLAN? YEAH. SO LIKE YOU HAVE A FLOOR PLAN AND DO THEY GENERALLY SAY THESE ARE WHERE WE'RE PUTTING THE UNITS OR OR NOT IT'S NOT REQUIREMENT THAT THAT BE DONE BECAUSE IT'S IF A MARKET RATE UNIT TO TURN OVER OR AN ITALIAN OR TO TURN OVER IT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE FOR A MARKET RATE UNIT TO MOVE INTO THAT UNIT OR VICE VERSA. I HAVE SEEN A CASE WHERE A DEVELOPER CLOSE TO OPENING HAD DESIGNATED THEIR INITIAL ALLOCATION OF THOSE AFFORDABLE UNITS WITHIN THAT DEVELOPMENT AND WE REVIEWED TO ENSURE THAT THERE WASN'T A SEGREGATION OF THOSE UNITS TO SAY ONE FLOOR OR ONE PART OF THAT BUILDING. BUT THAT THAT WASN'T THE CASE AND THE INTENTION IS THAT AS THOSE UNITS TURN OVER THAT THEY CAN SWITCH THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING THE REQUIREMENT IS THAT A PROPORTIONAL AMOUNT OF BEDROOM TYPES IS GIVEN TO AFFORDABLE UNITS IN COMPARISON TO MERCURY UNITS SO THAT THERE IS COMPARABLE AMOUNT OF ONE BEDS TO ABOUT THREE BEDS ETC. THAT THAT AFFORDABLE UNITS HAVE ACCESS TO THAT MERCURY. OKAY. THE REASON I ASK THE QUESTION IS AND IT'S I WILL GIVE AN EXAMPLE AND I'M NOT CALLING OUT THIS DEVELOPMENT FOR ANYTHING THAT THEY'VE DONE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT OPEN BUT YOU KNOW WE HAVE THE ENCLAVE PROJECT AT 82ND AND 35 W SO YOU'VE GOT A BUILDING THAT TWO SIDES FACES A RELIEVER AND AN ARTERIAL AND I AS I'VE WATCHED IT GO UP THEY'RE DOING A VERY NICE JOB ON IT. IT'S A VERY BIG IMPROVEMENT IN THAT AREA. BUT I GOT TO THINKING WHAT'S TO STOP YOU FROM PUTTING ALL OF THE AFFORDABLE UNITS FACING THE FINE PARTICULATES FROM THE FREEWAY AND THE MARKET RATE UNITS GET THE QUIET SIDE FACING YOU KNOW JAMES SO THAT WAS MORE MY QUESTION ABOUT ARE WE ARE WE ALSO THINKING ABOUT HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT IT CERTAINLY THE QUESTION IS COOKSON'S POINT PEOPLE ARE GLAD TO HAVE A PLACE THEY CAN AFFORD IT BUT I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT UNEXPECTED UNINTENTIONALLY GIVING THE LESS DESIRABLE SPACES TO THE PEOPLE WHO JUST BECAUSE OF THEIR FINANCIAL AGAIN NOTHING NECESSARILY TO FIX RIGHT NOW. I JUST IT WAS SOMETHING THAT KIND OF BUBBLED TO MY MIND AS THE BEEN BY THE YEAH. MR. WELL JUST A QUICK COMMENT I THOUGHT WE COULD I THOUGHT THAT WAS ALREADY IN I THOUGHT WE THE DEVELOPERS DID HAVE TO TELL US WHERE THEY WERE GOING TO GO AND THEY HAD TO BE DISPERSED AS IT WAS REFRESH OUR QUESTION FOR ME BECAUSE I DIDN'T REALLY REMEMBER SO JUST SO I'M CLEAR THAT THE CASE OR IS THAT NOT THE CASE TODAY MAYBE MR. MACGREGOR COULD HELP . IT'S A GENERAL AND COMMISSIONER COTE I KNOW THAT THAT'S COME UP IN PAST DEVELOPMENTS THE EXAMPLE THAT WAS THE RISER DEVELOPMENT THERE THEY DID 9% AFFORDABLE IS IN YOUR AND THEY HAVE KIND OF DRAMATIC RIVER VIEWS ON ONE SIDE AND CITY VIEWS ON THE OTHER THEY'RE THE REQUIRED YOU KNOW A MIXTURE THAT YOU DIDN'T HAVE THEM ALL ONE DIRECTION SO SIMILAR TO THEM NOT ALL BEING ON THE SAME FLOOR AND THEY NOT ALL BE THE SAME YOU KNOW BEDROOM SIZE ALSO PLACEMENT WITHIN BUILDING BE KIND OFQUITABLE RIGHT BUT THAT'S THAT THAT THIRD PART IS NOT CURRENTLY A REQUIREMENT OR IT IS I BELIEVE IT IS IN THE YEAH AND AGAIN I ASK THE QUESTION NOT BECAUSE I'M FIND ANY FAULT WITH THAT DEVELOPMENT IT WAS JUST IT'S OCCURRED TO ME AS I'VE DRIVEN BY THERE I THOUGHT CLEARLY SOME MORE SPENDING I OR SOME PEOPLE MIGHT LOVE TO WATCH THE TRAFFIC AND THE CONSTRUCTION THAT'S GOING TO BE STARTING 35 W BUT I JUST GOT THINKING THAT FOR SOME PEOPLE THAT COULD BE A LESS DESIRABLE PLACE AND THAT MAY BE PUT THERE UNINTENTIONALLY. WELL LITERATURE THANKS MR. NIEMEYER. I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT UNIT EQUALITY THE FINISHES THAT YOU BROUGHT UP WHEN WE ARE GETTING PUSHBACK FROM DEVELOPERS MAYBE YOU'RE NOT EVEN MY PERSON AS BUT ARE YOU AWARE ARE WE GETTING PUSHBACK FROM DEVELOPERS ON THAT OR IS THAT GENERALLY OKAY TRYING TO MEASURE AS FAR AS I HAVE HEARD, NO AND JASON IS IS SHAKING HIS HEAD IN THE GRAND CHAIR ROHMAN COMMISSIONERS AS OF RIGHT NOW THE NUMBER OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE HAVE WORKED WITH DEVELOPERS WANT TO HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY TO BE ABLE TO MOVE THOSE APARTMENTS AROUND AS AS KENNY NIEMEYER WAS WAS TALKING ABOUT HERE AND SO AS FAR AS STAFF IS AWARE ALL OF THE UNITS HAVE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AMENITIES SOME ONE BEDROOMS MAY HAVE A BREAKFAST BAR WHERE ANOTHER ONE HAS A SEATING AREA FOR A DINING ROOM AND THOSE JUST GET INTERMIXED THE UNITS TURN OVER WITH THE DEVELOPER. OKAY. THANK YOU. OTHER GENERAL QUESTIONS COMMENTS COMMISSIONER GOLDMAN ,THIS ONE LAST THING AND JUST AS A THANK YOU TO STAFF FOR BRINGING THIS BACK US YOU KNOW LIKE YOU SAID THIS IS A LIVING BREATHING DOCUMENT. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP ABREAST OF THE MARKET AS WELL AS OUR RESIDENT AND NEIGHBORS NEEDS WELL SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT BACK TO US. I COULD YEAH. SORRY, MR. CHAIR. I'M GOING TO PULL ONE MORE OUT. CAN YOU WE'VE HAS THIS BEFORE BUT CAN YOU REMIND US HOW AREA MEDIAN INCOME IS CALCULATED THAT FOR THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON IS THAT THE SEVEN COUNTY METRO AREA I GOT TO SAY I WAS SHOCKED TO SEE THAT IT'S CURRENTLY $125,000 COMMISSIONERS SO FOR BLOOMINGTON, PART OF THE MINNEAPOLIS SAINT PAUL BLOOMINGTON METROPOLITAN STATISTICAL AREA WHICH IS I BELIEVE IT'S THE SEVEN COUNTY METRO AND THAT INCLUDES PORTIONS OF WISCONSIN AS WELL AS PART OF THAT METRO AREA AND HOW THAT CALCULATES THAT LEVEL AND DISSEMINATES THAT TO THAT COUNCIL AND THEY CREATE THE RENT LIMITS THAT WE USE IN THAT CASE. SO WE ARE PART OF THAT GREATER AREA AND. I WAS JUST DOING SOME RESEARCH ON THIS FOR SOME HOUSING RELATED WORK THAT IF WE WERE TO FOCUS DOWN ON BLOOMINGTON'S MEDIAN INCOME IT WOULD BE AROUND I BELIEVE IT WAS AROUND 24% LESS THAN THE METRO. SO IF THERE WERE MORE OF A LOCALIZATION OF AM I WAS CALCULATED THEN THERE WOULD BE A MORE STRICT REQUIREMENT IN TERMS OF RENT THAT THE BLOOMINGTON COULD BENEFIT FROM. IS IT AT OUR DISCRETION HOW WE AMARA WE UNDER SOMEBODY ELSE'S PURVIEW ON THAT TRY AND MEASURES IN RELATION TO FINANCIAL SUBSIDY A LOT OF OUR FINANCIAL SOURCES ARE THEY HAVE THOSE REQUIREMENTS BY HUD OR BY THAT COUNCIL OR BY HENNEPIN COUNTY IN ALL THOSE CASES WE DON'T HAVE DISCRETION THAT'S FOR SURE. I'M JUST THINKING OF A SCENARIO WHERE I'M TRYING MY DART IS TO GET AFFORDABLE RENT AND I'M LOOKING AT 60% AM I AND GOING GEEZ I DON'T MAKE 125,075% OF BLOOMINGTON DOES OR WHATEVER. SO IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT WE CAN'T CALCULATE IT FROM A CITY PERSPECTIVE. THAT'S ALSO THE OF SORRY TO CUT YOU OFF PREMATURELY OR AT ALL BUT AND THAT'S THE QUESTION TOO ABOUT THE BLOOMINGTON AM I IS THAT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN BLOOMINGTON HOURS AT THE JOBS THAT ARE AVAILABLE IN BLOOMINGTON BECAUSE WE'VE HAD CONVERSATION BEFORE ABOUT THE JOBS THAT ARE AVAILABLE IN BLOOMINGTON WE HAVE SOME VERY WE HAVE A LOT OF JOBS WHICH IS A GOOD THING. WE HAVE RANGE OF JOBS BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF HERE AND WE HAVE A LOT OF JOBS HERE IN AND AND SO WE'VE OFTEN TALKED ABOUT CAN PEOPLE WHO WORK IN BLOOMINGTON AFFORD TO LIVE IN BLOOMINGTON. SO I WASN'T SURE IF THAT BLOOMINGTON INCOME IS BASED ON THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN BLOOMINGTON IS BASED ON THE JOBS THAT ARE HERE TRACK COMMISSIONERS WHAT I WAS REVIEWING WAS AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY CENSUS AND THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN FOR HOUSEHOLDS TO LIVE HERE. OKAY. YEAH I THINK THAT MAKES AND BLEEDS LIKE WAY DOWN LIKE EVEN INTO LIKE BELL PLAYING YOU'RE DOWN AND I SAW THE SEWER COUNTY STUFF I MEAN A BIG BLANKET DID YOU GET WHAT YOU NEEDED US TO OUR COMMISSIONERS? THANK YOU. YEAH, THIS WAS EXTREMELY HELPFUL AND I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR INPUT AND FEEDBACK AND I'LL BE BACK IN FRONT OF YOU SOMETIME IN FEBRUARY NOT SOMETIME ON AN EXACT DATE IN FEBRUARY I WILL BE BACK FEBRUARY 15. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I DON'T NUMBER FIVE CONSIDER THE PLANNING COMMISSIONS ANALYSIS FROM NOVEMBER 16TH. PLANNING COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT WAS NOT HERE AND PLANNING COMMISSION EAST WAS NOT ON THE COMMISSION AT THAT POINT SO IT DOES FOUR FOR US AT THIS TIME WE FULL TIME SO LOOK FOR A MOTION ON NOVEMBER 16TH SIR MOTION TO MOVE TO APPROVE THE DRAFT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FROM NOVEMBER 16TH 2023 AS PRESENTED SECOND THANK YOU WITH A MOTION A SECOND ANY DISCUSSION IN FAVOR SAY I I OPPOSED ABSTENTIONS I I ALL RIGHT THE MOTION PASSES ITEM SIX PLANNING COMMISSION POLICY IN ISSUE UPDATE LETTING MANAGER MARKET GUIDE CHAIR ROHMAN COMMISSIONERS OUR NEXT MEETING IS FEBRUARY 1ST AND WE HAVE FOUR ITEMS ON THAT AGENDA SO ONE THAT YOU CONTINUED TO THEIR MEETING THE ENCLAVE COMPANIES MULTIFAMILY AND DAYCARE PROPOSAL IT'S AT 67 OR ONE WEST 78TH STREET UM ALSO WE HE OUR CITY CODE AMEMENTUBLIC HEARING ON THE SAME CODE UPDATES AND THEN TWOTUDY ITEMSNE ON ENVIRONMENTALTANDDS ECIFIC T LOW DENSI RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND SECONDLY AMENENTS ARESS ONE ZONG STRI STANDARDS. SO THAT'S ON FEBRUARY 1ST, FEBRUARY 15T SO FARNLY ITE THE ONE WE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT COMING BACK AS A PUBLIC HEARING UH, AMENDMENTS TO THE OPPORTUNITY HOUSING ORDINANCE UM, SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE COMING UP RIGHT? I THINK ANYONE ON THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO BRING FORWARD I WILL AGAIN I MENTIONED BRIEFLY BUT WE HAD THE WORK PLAN IN FRONT OF THE CITY COUNCIL. WE BROUGHT THE WORK PLAN THAT THE COMMISSION RECOMMENDED THAT APPROVAL AT THE END OF DECEMBER THERE WAS INTEREST ON THE PART OF THE COUNCIL TO SPEND TIME DIGGING INTO AN ANALYSIS OF OUR RES AND THAT MAYBE DISPROPORTIONATELY IMPACTING BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT. AND SO THE UM COUNCIL ASKED FOR HAVING THAT ADDED AND WHAT THAT MEANT IS THAT THE MULTI-FAMILY STANDARDS CAME OFF AND WILL NOT BE ON THE PRIORITY LIST FOR THE 2024 WORK PLAN BUT OTHERWISE THE WORK PLANNING AS WE DISCUSSED IS THAT PICKUP WINDOW. YES ALL SORRY PICK UP ONE OF THOSE STANDARDS AS WELL BUT AGAIN THAT BE A QUESTION OF THE WHAT PARKING STANDARDS WAS THAT WAS ONE ITEM THAT MAY HAVE POTENTIALLY BEEN BUMPED AS WELL. BUT I YOU KNOW, I CAN ENVISION SOMETHING LIKE THAT PERHAPS FALLING AT LEAST LOOSELY INTO THE REALM OF SMALL BUSINESS. SO I MYSELF HAVEN'T GIVEN UP ON THAT ONE ENTIRELY. BUT THE COUNCIL WAS LESS CONCERNED ABOUT PICKUP WINDOW STANDARDS FELT LIKE MAYBE IT WAS MORE OF A PANDEMIC VESTIGE . OH I REALIZE THAT'S WHAT I HAVE FROM THAT MEETING. ANYTHING ELSE? IT SEEMED AND WE ARE ADJOURNED UNTIL FEBRUARY 1ST