The light glares. I can't see the timer. Here we go. >> Oh, and it's going to get toasty in here, too. So, be prepared, everyone. Be prepared. Look at us. >> Scary. Yes. >> Brent, did you say you got those at Yeah, it was really good. >> It's almost like a fig. >> It's not. >> It does kind of smell like a little more grain. Like it's probably better for you like outside than that. >> It was really really good. >> Well, now you know where I keep stealing his snacks. I'll be using my key card after hours. There'll be no snacks. >> There'll be no snacks left. trail of rappers out the way out the building, >> right? >> We'll know where to follow it to. >> I could make it like a game, right? >> All right, everybody. Welcome. It is 7 o'clock. I am going to call this meeting to order. Please join me for the pledge of allegiance. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right. Can I get a motion to approve the agenda? >> I'll make a motion to approve the agenda. >> Motion by council member Mach Conrad. >> So, oh my gosh, I haven't done that yet. I haven't done that yet. Okay. Motion by council member Conrad or whatever she's going by this week. Second by Council Member Pasco. Did I hear that right? >> Yes. >> Okay. Um All right. Can we get a And I'll I'll add my name to the roll call. We have to do a roll call vote. Yeah, we're just she'll take care of that. >> Council member Pasco >> I. >> Council member Conrad >> I. >> Council member Ser >> I. >> Council member Persman >> I. >> Mayor Johnson >> I. Motion passes. All right. Um I am going to just switch things around a little bit and do the consent agenda next of which I would like to pull off item 7.4 please. So, if I can get them, >> I would make a motion to um uh pull item 7.4 from the consent agenda. >> I'll second. Uh we have a motion by council member Pasco and a second by council member sir. Uh any further discussion? >> Um Mayor Johnson, do we need to can we just approve the consent agenda without 7.4? >> Um >> because the the way I thought it was worded was just that we were pulling it >> unless I illeal. There's a couple ways you can do it. I think right now we have a motion on the floor that's been seconded. So, as long as you approve that, then you can next approve the consent to go back and then go back to 7.4. Yep. >> Okay. >> All right. So, um we have a motion to remove 7.4. Um let's take a vote on that. >> Council member Pasco, >> I. Council member Conrad, >> I. >> Council member Seer, >> I. >> Council member Pman >> I. >> Mayor Johnson, >> I. Motion passes. All right. Now, can we approve the consent agenda with everything but 7.4? I would make a motion to approve the consent agenda without item 7.4. >> Motion by council member Pasco. I'll >> second. No, go ahead, Lori. >> I'll second. >> Second by council member sir. Any further discussion? Need a roll call vote, please. >> Council member Pasco, >> I. >> Council member Conrad, >> I. >> Council member Ser, >> I. >> Council member Pchman, >> I. >> Mayor Johnson, >> I. Motion passes. Um, you were right. We did not do that the most direct way. Um, okay. Um, I wanted to pull off item 7.4 because I think that this requires a special recognition this evening. Um, we are approving a resolution acknowledging and accepting um acknowledging acceptance and appreciation for a donation from Robert Skiplo in the amount of $3,000 to the Carver Fire Department. Um, thank you. I really appreciate this. Um, back. >> No, no, no. That's why I'm pulling it off is because I'm so excited for it and I just wanted to make sure that we recognized you. Otherwise, we just would have um approved the consent agenda and I thought that this was something that deserves a little bit more recognition. Um so I'm going to read the resolution out loud. Um it's resolution acknowledging acceptance and appreciation for the donation. It says, "Whereas Minnesota statute 465.03 03 requires that cities accept donations for benefit of its citizens in accordance with the terms prescribed by the donor. And whereas Robert Skip Low has graciously donated $3,000 to the Carver Fire Department. And whereas the donation was made towards the purchase of a rapid intervention safety bag. And now therefore, be it resolved that the city of Carver and the uh city council and the city of Carver accepts the above donation. And be it further resolved that the city of Carver along with the Carver fire department expresses its sincere appreciation and gratitude for this generous donation. Um and then it'll be adopted by the city of Carver on this fourth day of May 2020 2026. Um, with that, I make a motion to approve item 7.4 from the consent agenda. >> I'll second. >> Have a motion by Johnson, a second by Conrad. Um, any further discussion? >> Right. Can we get a roll call vote, please? C. >> Council member Pasco, >> I. >> Council member Conrad, >> I. >> Council member Ser, >> I. >> Council member Persman, >> I. >> Mayor Johnson, >> I. Motion passes. Can we get a picture? >> Let's do it. Yep. >> We kind of have >> cheese day or what? Great. Thank you. THANKS. All right. Okay. Um, going back, is anybody here tonight for community comments? All right. Um, so up first under presentations and reports, we'll be hearing from the Lower Minnesota River Watershed District with Will Lidle, the administrator, and Kyle Beakamar, commissioner. Welcome, gentlemen. Good evening. I am uh the administrator of the lower men, Will Lidle, and I've been with the district for uh just coming up on a year. And I'll pass pass you over to manager Bacham. >> My name is Kyle Bacham. I've been a manager on the lower men since last November. I was appointed by Carver County last November. reappointed in February of this past year and I'm a resident of the city of Carver. I live up on Malberry Lane. My wife and I moved here about 3 years ago. Uh beautiful city, beautiful area. We're so glad that we're here. So, thank you for having us uh tonight. >> And Kyle, it's completely unrelated, but on, you know, Thursday nights and Monday nights and Sundays in the fall, what team do you cheer for? >> What team do I cheer for? Well, I'm a Viking fan. >> Oh, I thought you were a Packers fan. It's your son that's a Packers fan. >> My wife's the Packers fan. >> Okay. Okay. >> Shoot. Okay. Well, that didn't go away. >> I see the Vikings every Sunday now up here in Wisconsin. You didn't. >> Your son is a Packers fan. >> Yes. >> Okay. Okay. >> And my son is the Lutheran pastor at East Union outside of town. He's the Packer fan. >> Okay. >> Why don't you stop fishing for Packers fans? >> You're cutting in and out, Eric. Hard to hear you. Okay, sorry. >> And and I would like to mention that manager Bacham is an excellent example of our uh feeder program. So he joined the community, got somehow enrolled into our citizens advisory committee and uh very shortly after he joined our citizens advisory committee, he was I I believe appointed to be the chair and then there was a vacancy on our board of managers um and he was asked to step in. And so in the span of about six months with the district, he very quickly filled an important role ro role and we definitely appreciate um this the city of Carver and the county of Carver for sharing him with us. >> And I appreciate that. In my retirement, we moved up here to be closer to the kids, but volunteering uh whether it's in with Lowermen or we're a volunteer over at Carver Ridge Senior Living. Uh it's important to give back just like all of you folks are doing as well. So, we just uh we just really enjoy being up here and and serving. >> Great. Thank you. >> All right. Now, the lower Minnesota River is uh one of the oldest watershed districts around, but it's it's an unusual one. So, uh we were we were founded about 65 years ago. Last year was our 65 year anniversary. Um and most of the watershed districts and and wershed management organizations try to roughly follow the surface water uh hydraological boundaries. Now, hydraological boundaries are it's not really a binary yes or no. There's surface water, there's groundwater, many levels of it. Um, and then there's kind of the historic function versus the current. But the lower Minnesota River was essentially five counties that got together to say something's going on um in this flood plane. Um, and we need an entity, essentially a regional group to uh manage what's going on there. Um, and so you could say we've been described as essentially a hot dog bun around the river. Um and you could say, you know, either that core uh that flood that flood plane um or bluff to bluff. Our boundary obviously is not exactly um in that in that uh 100red-year flood plane. Um but what's unique is that um for watershed districts and WMOs, it's very uncommon that they include the river itself. In many cases, they come up to the boundary. The the river boundary is where they end. Um and and for this location we have Ramsey, Henipin, Scott, Dakota, and Carver County. Um and and what the realization here is that it was not just an environmental is not just a flooding u but also the management of se sediment that was coming down the river. Um and then the economic development related to channel maintenance um and dredging. And so since its uh you know founding since it was established it really had this unusual balance of economic development and environment you know of human uses um as well as uh you know what what's needed in order to make this river livable and prosperous. before um I was brought on um and before manager Bacham was on the the board um the rapid and dam failure um really brought a lot of attention to that main channel of the river um and really who was responsible for the water quantity and quality there and our our board had some listening sessions. I think there was participation quite broadly. Um and and our board started to think about you know essentially how how do we understand uh how to govern uh govern this really complex system not just for the next one or two years not just the next 10 year planning process which we're in but for the next hundred or 150 years to ensure that investments are going where they need to to make sure um that we're protecting our our quality of life. And so I was brought in essentially under that mandate of understanding you know what what's the best you know if we were to dissolve everything what structure would we put in place um to make sure uh that our values are are supported and this image off to the side here um is from the the most recent nutri nutrient reduction strategy and it shows the area in red um much of it is part of the basin of the Minnesota River and so the sediment and water quantity and quality that's uh you know that is received by the city of Carver um in many cases is coming in from that that larger body. Um and so we've been listening. Um we've been participating in a variety of What's unique about our district again is we touch so many other counties. Well, we also touch two one watershed one plans. We touch um maybe five other watershed districts. We touch WMOs around strategic planning bodies. We have a very limited administrative capacity, but a lot of it is spent in essentially collaborating with other planning infrastructure. Um and we've been hearing about how essentially we need a new approach um not just from our managers but from all the stakeholders we engage with. Um and so essentially we're here to you know called for you know renewed engagement and support and and coordination with um I know we know that there are a lot of big projects that Carver has coming up um and that we're excited to you know the role of the district we're realizing is not really about saying yes or about saying no. It's about saying how. How do we balance um you know these these difficult decisions that we make and the trade-offs that we make in order to uh ensure that we can move forward with uh what what we need to. Um and so so uh there are a lot of things that are stealing people's time and attention and the economy is in in turmoil but we're essentially asking to share a little bit um with us. Uh and and the reasons why is because you know essentially we're entering a watershed management plan and we're not we're not saying that you know oh don't worry about that some other agency covers that or don't you know we can't think about what's what the DNR is doing or the MPCA is doing we're realizing for our watershed district is um if not us who's going to touch this these topics and so you know talking about things like POS uh microlastics um you know pharmaceuticals in the in the water systems and really making sure that you know it's not that we can address all of them but really understanding where they fit in the discussion um and ensuring that they they are addressed by the responsible parties and this is uh been kind of an evolution in terms of how we're engaging with some of the stakeholder groups and really it's moving instead of uh moving away from kind of a a binary or us versus them or right versus wrong our board is uh you know really really realizing ing that um we need to recognize that there are impacts from all sectors and land use types. It's not just urban versus rural or left versus right or uh north versus south. Um and that we need to utilize, you know, the best the best decision-making tools, the best models and forecasting um to find, you know, the fair understanding of cumulative impacts as well as encouraging people to think about what excites them. um you know, adventure races, citizen science, restoration projects, uh parks and recreation, and of course, common sense regulations. We hear so often from businesses, um and commercial groups now, now that we're engaging them more closely that, um when they pull a permit for a project, uh you know, the DNR says no. Um and they don't say they they don't really know how to make it through the pro process. and finding more and more that, you know, the county, the state, the feds, um, you know, they all have the bureaucratic red tape and it's so difficult to translate, you know, interest, uh, and action into an impact. And we're recognizing that our role may not need to be, you know, setting stronger rules or setting stronger regulations. It may be enhancing and helping people navigate those systems to actually have an outcome. Um this is an example of um we're as we as we're reviewing our wershed management plan. Um right now essentially the district utilizes uh two main sources of revenue. Property taxes um and some grant funding essentially from state appropriations. Um and we use those top two boxes in the column on the left to essentially do everything uh in in the column on the right. What we're realizing is essentially there are certain types of things that have been dramatically underfunded or that it's not appropriate to use property taxes for. So an example of um it's probably inappropriate to use property taxes to deal with um you know remediation of uh brownfield sites in some cases. Um POS cleanup that's not something that residents of the city of Carver should be paying for you know down at a landfill or at the airport. And so figuring out exactly, you know, what types of fun funding models are out there and applying the ones, you know, we can't apply all of them because of our limited capacity, but figuring out the ones that line up with the projects that need to be done. Um, and of course engaging with the systems approach, recognizing that, you know, it's not just the water that lands uh uh, you know, in our yards or on our streets. is also the water that's embedded in the products and services that we're consuming um or that are disposed of in and landfills or waste in the communities. And so um yeah, really understanding how to engage with strategic thinkers um and technical experts to ensure that we're we're adopting durable and replicable approaches for the fair governance of these systems. And so um this is our our last our last slide. We do have some images um but nothing nothing urgent and so you know how to strengthen our relationship. Of course uh you're already sending people to our citizens advisory committee and our technical advisory committee. So thank you very much for that. Um the city of Carver has you know obviously it's not it's not the largest municipality. However, I think I've been here um probably more than any other municipality in terms of um cost share walks of people that are uh you know adopting rainwater systems, uh creek restorations. Um and so you have an unusual uh role in terms of the way that you engage with the river. Um and I think your exposure to some of the the risks and rewards of the river system um much more intimately than some of the downstream uh communities that we represent. Um I'll help I'll spread the message uh that you know one of our goals is essentially the river right now for for city of Carver and I think for many communities upstream of you um the river represents your greatest liability and we would really like to see a structure uh that that allows uh us to you know see the river as our greatest asset and that will require all sorts of different types of financial assistance and safeguards and um you know flood infrastructure is uh an insurance. Those are not easy things to navigate uh city by city and and they'll require um you know, of course, federal and state action to to understand. Um you know, development is not over for Minnesota. There are other communities that around the world that are going to be struggling with water uh quantity issues. Um and Minnesota's, you know, well listed as a destination for those communities. And so we essentially need to be ready for what you know those those changes in demographics and uh and development hold for us. Um and so if there are big picture thinkers you know either from your community or from the people that you work with please encourage them to engage with us um in our plans or proposals presentations. Um and then uh I think in starting in in June uh we're going to be starting this month, but we we're we have our next uh board meeting in Eden Prairie. Um but then if there are uh months coming up um we would be very interested in holding a board meeting um with the city and you know possibly doing a joint meeting so that our board members um and staff and residents have a chance to understand uh your experiences and needs and perspectives a little bit more closely as we move into our planning phases as well. What questions do you have for us? >> Questions, council. How often does your board meet? Monthly, quarterly. >> So, we have a regular meeting uh the third Wednesday of every month. Um and then we have uh two committee meeting. Well, I guess uh we have a personnel and a finance committee meeting that's on the second Wednesday of the month, but we also have a citizens advisory committee meeting that is monthly. Um, and then a quarterly uh technical advisory committee, so four to five times a month. >> And in regard to the board, uh I think I'm the newest board manager, but uh Will and the rest of the less than three years experience meaning and and that's a positive. And what I mean by that is we'll reference 65 years the district has been here and it's been, you know, just going along. But now we all believe that maybe it's time that we start thinking about how we do things a little bit differently. How do we collaborate with more people? Uh because again, this this river uh just stones throw from us, what an asset that is and could be even more. uh and all the things we've been doing still the river isn't quite maybe what we want it to be. uh and so maybe what we've been doing for 60some years hasn't accomplished what we want to accomplish and we have a group of people that are really opened well let's maybe look at it in a different way uh and and working together with all the stakeholders uh having good communication with all the state how do we move forward together uh to make something different I I should also mention we're saying very generally we have lots of ideas and we've received lots of ideas, but it's our board's position that we're not going to say this is what's going to happen until we've essentially vetted those across our citizens advisory and technical advisory committee. So, I'd expect in about a year um you might hear a more well-formed conversation on what those ideas look like. >> Any other questions? There have been some concerns in the past with um upstream representation and being the board being dominated by downstream users and that resulting in um lots of funding coming from places like Carver County but without the services and um development and things. Um you know dredging for example really stops at Savage. Um those sorts of things. Do you have plans to address those? Yeah, we we so the answer to almost all of the concerns that we've heard are it's really complicated and um so I think you know you've mentioned you that actually probably have three different concerns built in there and the answer is yes we have a line by line you know we essentially have some of them are misconceptions they're just misqued um and so we have um those interpreted and some of them are not uh you know quite a yes or a no answer and so we have those outlined we're building those into our annual report because we do have a longstanding set of questions and concerns. The representation's a good example. The five counties that initially founded the district, each county had one seat and Ramsey did not have residents that were a member at some point and so they allocated their seat to Henipin County. So, Henipin has two managers. Ramsey has no manager. Scott County has grown in terms of its size and its taxable base. And so, they would like to take one of Henipin's seats. and Henipin says no. So, this is not my, you know, obviously this has nothing to do with me really. I'm not a resident of either of those places. Um, and and the board has essentially offered to add another seat so that there would be six members of the board and Scott County would have two seats. Um, and Scott County has said we do not yet want to, you know, accept that as the resolution. um the dredging, the money going for dredging. In uh 2017, there was a benefits study done. Um and essentially it was identified who was benefiting from the channel maintenance and there was going to be a special tax assessed and instead of that special tax going into effect, the the state decided to appropriate funds of about $240,000 a year that would come to the district. So the majority of dredging and dredge management um has been well covered by those state appropriations. So, your local taxpayer money is not really going to subsidize dredging that benefits, I'd say mostly Scott and Dakota counties uh at this time if that appropriation goes away. As far as I can tell, the major thing that that Carver County and the city of Carver residents are subsidizing that would be kind of, you know, mystifying when you look at the budget is really in relation to WOs and Watershed districts have a different role when they're reviewing public projects. watershed districts cannot charge public entities for project reviews and inspections. Um and the biggest uh layer there is mind projects that take place near the flood plane in the river and bridges and river crossings. WOs are not able to intervene on those where watershed districts are. Um and so right now you we would be subsidizing a variety of mind projects. And the interesting thing here is that the state agencies also don't necessarily intervene in each other's projects. So we hear from the department of health here are the major concerns associated with um infiltration of you know chemicals uh from from mind projects and we then have to communicate that back up to the department of transportation. And so there are all sorts of little things in there that you know obviously our managers uh have never really designed in. It's just a part of the way the statutes function that we're in many cases kind of caught in the middle of the upstream element. Um I would say is something that our our technical advisory committee just identified that we that they would like us to engage more closely officially with upstream and downstream groups. The downstream groups essentially would hold us accountable to our plans and our targets. So example, Lake Pepin receives much of its sediment that's filling in their lake from the Minnesota River. And so if we set our goals at the wrong level, Lake Pepin will let us know. Um and upstream essentially for us to understand uh you know the lived experiences and the way that projects run and the capacities of uh residents um and and you know developers and planners uh you know upstream of us. Uh there is an example we did uh just receive a planning grant from Bowser uh in January that was about planning for water storage in Bevvens Creek. Um, and we had worked with the Scott County Soil and Water Conservation District to to design that plan specifically to have an impact. And the goal would be that if we could if we could slow down water um and store sediment before it hits the city of Carver, that would benefit our whole district. Now, there is a bit of a maybe dispute between Carver WMO and that P that project has been paused. Um, and so more we can share more details on that on the line by line. The I think what it really comes down to is this district has been tremendously under capacity essentially running at the absolute minimum um for about the last 55 years. It's last wershed management plan. So we're in our sixth watershed management planning process. The last one is when they really decided to meet the statutory obligations for a watershed district that were kind of came in in the 1980s. Um and in that process um you know the capacity didn't grow at a rate to be able to fully maintain all of the relationships that were being developed. And so um you know I'd say miscommunications um and and balls have been dropped associated with that lack of capacity. >> Now I know last summer we had some issues with the Miriam Junction Trail and having that log jam. I know we figured it out eventually. Have we gotten that with with the Miriam Junction Trail becoming a permanent feature and affecting the navigability of our water right here, you know, just on the other side of this area. Um, do we have a management plan for if we have any Okay, >> I would say that that Miriam Junction. So, uh, before I before I took the job, I think the night before my interview, I kayaked up up and down the river and and visited that spot. I thought, "Oh man, that construction bridge is really low. I'll have to revisit that and see what happens when the water rises. I revisited I was like, "Oh no." Um the the there was a surprising answer. Uh we started documenting and communicating some of the concerns associated with that log jam. And it was a great example of there there are all sorts of agencies that have a little slice of responsibility, but there was no entity that we could find was responsible. So the DNR does a little bit um and you know Scott County as the project owner had a little a little rep you know um the Army Corps of Engineers intervenes in certain cases. What you don't know probably is that just downstream of you uh there was a bridge in Chakapi that also had a log jam that was massively eroded. Their log jam is still halfway uh intact and is still I believe causing some erosion. the DNR showed up and scooped half of that out, but it sounds like that might have been based off of very very specific political pressure that came in. Um, so the answer uh is surprisingly um not I would say not not a good enough um reaction to meet anybody's reasonable standards and I think the concern was really um that that what we weren't what we were not seeing were were the action thresholds. So here is the threshold where you know the local um you know are the individual contractors responsible essentially they said it's flooding act of god we're pulling off the river we're not responsible so the next question is okay then who intervenes at this stage you they said if the water goes down we get back to work the question is what if the water goes up or what if the community upstream clears their log jam and their logs join your logs so if you had cleared your log jam it would have hit shaka and it might have washed out a major bridge and we know somewhere downstream there's another community that's playing that same game. Um and and essentially there's no coordinated adaptive decision-making platform where all of those communities are sequentially engaged. The technology exists, the data exists that um that coordinated decision-m is still there's still some gap there. >> Yeah. I mean just talking to residents who've been kayaking that river for 50 years, that's it's not an unusual event. And I think that con the construction phase is different than the maintenance phase, you know. >> But even with even before the bridge was there, log jams happen in that particular part of the river. So >> Eric, any questions from you? >> No, >> nothing from me. Just an informative discussion. Thank you. >> Yeah. And I don't have any questions. Um, thank you for coming. We did receive I think it was $100,000 from the lower Minnesota River Wershed District way back. God, it was a remote meeting. So, it was I think it was 2021 uh for our levy project and are still grateful for that. That's a project that we're moving forward with and hope to have shovels in the ground a little bit later this year. So, >> continued thanks and gratefulness for that donation. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> All right. Um 5.2 is future improvements to CASA 11 and CASA 10. Mr. Schmidt. >> All right. Good evening, Mayor and Council. I'm going to ha ask uh two gentlemen to come up here tonight and I'll be leading a presentation u the slide deck but this is a a transformational project in Carver County that's going to be happening over the course of the next several years. So we thought it was appropriate to uh get together with you tonight and fill you in on the uh Conro 10 and 11 project just to the north of us here. Um really like I said it's it's a main thoroughfare through the county and it touches a lot of communities in either a direct or indirect way. So really uh I think it's important for you to know what's going on. Um so that's why we asked these gentlemen to come over tonight and give an update on the project. So with that I'm going to go ahead and pull up the the slide deck. Just give me a second here. While he's doing that, I'm Lucas Rubash. I'm the project manager from Carver County. >> Uh Mike Larson uh with Boltman Bank uh assistant uh project manager. >> All right. >> Okay. Go ahead, guys. >> All right. Thanks, Aaron. Uh yeah, Mayor and Council, thank you for the opportunity to come speak with you guys and kind of give you a brief intro intro to our project. Um, we'll just kind of talk to you about what we've been up to, where we're headed, what to expect with the project, which will really take place over the next four or five years, really. So, go ahead, Aaron. Uh, so our project area, um, as Aaron said, we're up on Highway 10 at the north end of town. Um, we've got really three separate projects woven into one very large project for the county. Um, the limits here are shown on the map in front of you. Um the blue is the limits of our highway 10 project where we're looking at expanding that roadway. Um it trickles into the west side of Chaza near Creek Lane all the way out to County Road 43 um in Victoria. Um our highway 11 portion of the project, that orange line going up and down um goes from the north side of the railroad tracks by the Huntersburg development all the way south of Highway 10 near Gernzie Avenue. And then we are looking at Highway 43 um really realigning one leg of that county road to meet the other. Uh that's a very long-term project at this point, but it's more so planning for next steps in the future. So some of the major goals of our project, um the area is growing a lot and with that we're seeing a lot of traffic concerns, congestion, safety problems, things like that. Uh we know all of our stakeholder communities, Carver, Victoria, Wakonia, and Chaska are all growing. Um so we need to be able to accommodate that growth and help support the region uh with this really important county road. Um and with that residential growth comes demand for trails, bike facilities, things like that. Um and then also really respecting the rural environment that's out there today. Um the county did do a study of the corridor maybe six, seven years ago now. So we're picking that up again, taking a look at some of the finer details and deciding is this really what we need to do now that more development has come in and we really know what the future might look like. Um, so that project really recommended expanding Highway 10 from two lanes to four lanes really through our whole project area and then modernizing Highway 11 with curb and gutter medians, things like that. Um, it also recommended some bigger improvements like that Highway 43 realignment and also a realignment of Highway 10 um, sort of towards the west section of the project. Um, and we're also looking at evaluating grade separated railroad crossings. We've got two atgrade crossings today which can cause delays and have some safety concerns with those. So that's another thing we're looking at here. Um so really here this is kind of summary of all the issues we're contending with. We've got a lot of traffic growth that's expected just due to all the development in these communities. Uh we've got some safety issues at a few spots along the project area. We've got those two railroad crossings and it's a really challenging area to widen the roadway. We have a lot of wetlands, challenging topography, vegetation, houses close to the existing roadway. So, it's not as easy as just widening the roadway and let the traffic come. So, we're really trying to find the best balance of what meets um what's out there today and what the future needs are going to be. Um this one again, this hits on really the growth. This is the why of the project. All the communities in this area are top 10, top five projected growth communities in the state. Uh we know the traffic volumes today are going to be um much higher in the future and we're even seeing that today with all the construction on Highway 5 in Victoria, Chanhassen, where a lot of people who used to take Highway 5 are now taking Highway 10 during that construction. So we're getting a taste for what it's going to be like for years to come. Um throughout the project, we will be engaging with the public to make sure everyone's voices are heard and we're showing our progress as we go. We did have one open house back in February. Uh it was very well attended, so there's a lot of interest from this. We had over 130 residents at that. So, um, stay tuned for more openhouse events, popup meetings, um, in town through the next few years to kind of gauge the public on what they think on what we're considering and just keeping people in the loop on what's going on. Uh, overall schedule. So, right now, uh, we are in study mode, really collecting data and figuring out what's the right thing to do. And then once we kind of land at a preferred alternative, we'll start designing on that um in the next few years. Uh construction is planned for 2028 on Highway 11 and then 2029 on Highway 10. So this is a few years out. Um and then as I said that highway 43 portion, that's uh just a study at this point. No funding for constructing that is planned at this time. That's all we had for you today. Um, happy to answer any questions you might have. >> Questions? >> I'm excited to see 10 at four lanes. My kids go to school in Wakonia, so we drive from here to Wakonia every day. A >> slow drive. >> It's a It can If you get one person going under the speed limit, >> we're late to school. So, >> part of that. Yeah. >> But I suppose you always drive the speed limit. >> Yeah. She said under. Yeah, I said under. >> Eric, any questions for you? >> No, but I didn't have awareness of it. So, thank you. >> I have a question. When you mentioned um leaving here to go to Aonia, is the four lanes does it kind of does it just go between like maybe 43 and Lake Town Road on the map? That's kind of what it looked like. the four lanes will be expanded from the 43 intersection on the west side uh to where the four lanes exist today closer to 212 uh is the current intent for the project. So the blue line >> 212 like >> uh yeah 212 is to the the east there right side of the map >> but that's the section of 10 that would be four lanes so it would not be all the way to Wonia >> would it end on for what is your plan or budgeted it would end on this map what I'm seeing here okay >> that's great >> thank you >> um it's unrelated to this project but I'm just trying to figure out detail heartburn or uh detour heartburn. When is the roundabout going in at County Road 11 and Big Woods Boulevard? Is that 28? >> That is the programmed year, I believe. Uh I haven't had a lot of involvement with that project, but >> Okay, >> sounds correct. >> Okay. So, it would be for sake of simplicity construction on Connor Road 11 and 2028 in both places. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah. And uh for sure check out the Carver County website. We've got the projects listed and the dates and who to contact on things if you're want more details are the same there too. >> Thank you. >> I have a question and it is very far outside of our boundaries but you're looking at potential realignment. Um and I'm looking out by 43 and is that out by Augusta out there? Um if you straighten that road out there's like a triangle. If you want to go back to project overview page and this is more out of curiosity I think. There's a lot of potential realignment of a new road. Are you Nope. Keep going. There we go. By the hazard the concern the crash concern area. Are you considering that many different an actual triangle of roads or are these just like A B and C? >> Yes. So speaking to the uh red triangle there the that is the highest amount of crashes that we're seeing. >> Sure. associated with the alignment of the road. So there's a significant curve uh with many lane departures that have been recorded over the years. >> Okay. >> Um we're evaluating speed limit design speed intentions in that area as well as potential realignments to maintain the 55 miles an hour that uh we're expecting to get. Uh the triangle of roads there is somewhat a very high level I would say. Uh the yellow line coming down from the north is associated with a city of Victoria le study on Red Fox Drive extension. So that would be a north south connector for that local system. And the lines to the south of the yellow line are what highway 43 may connect in at. >> And as well as that 40 the 43 alignment to the west where it snakes through the the fields there. That's a different alignment that we're looking at through alternatives on how to how to have that function. >> So, you talked about these railroad crossing crossings also. Um, again, they're a little outside of us, but our our traffic comes and goes from there also. Are you and because they're at grade, are you planning anything to to go over any of those or is it going to remain? >> Yeah, we're evaluating the cost benefit of those at this point in time. So we're really taking a hard look and doing fine like high level detail work at this point to understand what the footprint impacts and cost of those improvements would be if we were to seek funding for those grade separations. >> Okay. >> Let's see. And then you have for the county 11 and I guess we've got 2020 construction. What's the end of that construction if it starts in 2028? >> Yeah, that's a good question. I believe we would intend to hold that to a single season would be the intent on the outset. >> Uh yeah, 11 would be one and then 10 being the longer larger project. We'll likely see multiple seasons for that. >> Okay. So then I'm sorry, maybe you said it, I missed it. this ten would tend be closed down in its entirety for >> that'll be something we evaluate in the coming months um what the traffic management plan can look like during construction. >> Okay, >> that's a lot of rewriting. >> Yeah, a lot. Okay, thank you. >> I thought of another question looking at this project overview again. Um a while ago, Great River Energy um had given us some information. Where is that even fit on here where they're talking about that transmission line? Cuz I feel like it's a little bit top left off the map. Is the road realignment you guys working with them? >> Yeah, we met with them early on. That was a cons uh one of the risk factors we wanted to take care of early uh so that Great River Energy wasn't going to come in and we'd have to ask them to relocate things later as the project comes through. So, from what I've understood, they're running not in alignment with our highways. Uh instead they've elected to get right ofway uh through farm fields south of this project area. Uh and it cuts up north again at the 141 intersection. There's a substation there. It's time. >> All right. Thank you. >> Y >> it is the 44 and 11 roundabout is scheduled for funding in or scheduled for construction in 28. That's just referenced the email from Lynon Rob. I know I have it in my email, but I can find it in here. Thank you. >> Thank you guys. Appreciate you coming out. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> All right. Um, moving on to 6.1. We have a public hearing for the AON. How are we pronouncing that? >> You know, it's up to the the speaker. I've heard it both ways. >> Okay. >> Uh, Miss Smith, >> thank you. My screen is maybe lagging a little bit behind, but we'll get started anyways. >> Should we open the public hearing to give you some time? Sure. >> Can I would entertain a motion to open the public hearing? >> I'll second. >> You're making a motion. I said entertain. >> Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you said >> No, you're fine. Sorry. Motion by Council Member Conrad. >> Thank you. >> Second. >> Second by Council Member Pasco. Any further discussion? Can we do a roll call, please? >> Council member, >> Pasco, >> I. >> Council member Conrad, >> I. >> Council member Ser, >> I. >> Council member Persman, >> I. >> Mayor Johnson, >> I. Motion passes. The public hearing is open. >> Okay, I think we're there now. >> Thank you for that extra second. >> Yep. >> Thank you, Mayor and Council. Tonight we have a public hearing for uh vacation which makes it sound like it's more fun than it actually is for the AON property. So we're at Levi Griffin Road and County Road 11. Uh formerly this property was contemplated for United Properties has since changed the AON business center. So what we're looking to do tonight is vacate some areas that have previously been platted. So what this process does is it wipes clean essentially the entire project area. So, there's an application that you'll be reviewing tonight for a final plat for the project, which will reestablish easements that are required for that project. But first, we need to vacate the existing easements that exist on the property to be able to plat for the project that you're contemplating later tonight. Notice was posted in the Makonia Patriot twice and mailed to surrounding property owners. We did not hear feedback on the vacation request. >> Right. Any questions, comments? Or you know what? Um, are there any public comments before we get to that? Okay, there are not any public comments. We can close the public hearing. So, I would entertain a motion for that. >> I'll make a motion to close the public. >> Oh, what did you say? >> Sorry, Eric. What's that? >> Go ahead. >> Okay. Uh, I think I heard Christie make a motion. >> Still waiting for second. >> Thank you. Uh motion by Conrad, second by Pchman. Any further discussion? Right. I need a roll call vote, please. >> Council member Pasco, >> I. >> Council member Conrad, >> I. >> Council member Ser, >> I. >> Council member Pchman, >> I. >> Mayor Johnson, >> I. Motion passes. Um, okay. And now, any questions or comments from city council? >> None for me. >> None for me. Um, >> Eric, go ahead. >> No comment. >> Okay. Uh, Erin, the only question that I have is I know that we're vacating the easement for a potential trail on that side. Does that get put back in? >> It does. Yes. >> Okay. Fantastic. And I would entertain a motion. I will make a motion to adopt resolution 122-26 conditionally vacating certain public easements to facilitate the plat of the Aion business department. >> It's not an easy one. Got a motion from Council Member Pasco. I'll second. Second by Council Member Conrad. Any further discussion? All right. Can we get another roll call vote, please? >> Council member Pasco. >> I. Council member Conrad. >> I. >> Council member Seer. >> I. >> Council member Persman. >> I. Mayor Johnson. >> I motion passes. Great. Thank you. Moving on to the next business item. 8.1 is the Enclave Preliminary Plat and Comprehensive Plan Amendment. Miss Smith, we're going to be talking a lot for the rest of the meeting, aren't we? >> I know. Thank you, Mayor and Council. There are several applications included in your packet for Dr. Horton, the Enclave at Carver Creek. So, first we'll start with the comprehensive plan amendment, and then we'll move through resoning and preliminary plan in a more typical fashion that you see fairly often. So for some context of where we're located, the project areas dashed in yellow here. So you can see it's west of our current development. So moving north to south connected neighborhoods are the preserve and Timber Creek. So generally on the west side of uh County Road 11, moving towards our future growth area. The property was recently annexed into city limits. So this entire area is in uh city limits now. And then you can see on the lower right is a snapshot of the comprehensive plan. So some of those details that we'll start talking through talking through what those colors mean today, what we're looking for them to mean in the future as well. So what I'm calling are some fast facts. The project is proposed by Deer Horton who is in the room tonight. So we'll invite them up for discussion and conversation throughout the process. Dear Horton previously has built Meridian Fields and Hawthorne Ridge in town. The property is 255 acres in total. So, it's split across three PIDs, 250 acres total. Current proposal is for 508 homes, 403 detached, 105 town homes. And the home sizes range from about 1500 square feet to just over 3,000. Something that's interesting and unique in this project is that they're proposing nearly six miles of public trails and sidewalks. So, we'll talk through that with some changes to the park that we've seen. Something that is always helpful is that uh tree cover. So obviously new trees come in with every subdivision, but you lose some of that old growth. Some of the characters that make neighborhoods feel a little bit more established. But on this site specifically, only 3 acres of trees will be removed. So a significant portion of the project will maintain that mature tree cover. A large community scale park is contemplated and this project has been through several processes with the planning commission and city council to date. So you've seen it through a console plan. We did like a silly conso plan 2.0 know with this project um which dear Horton graciously gave us some additional drawings for the environmental review the EAW environmental assessment worksheet was required due to its size annexation and then the planning commission reviewed these same applications at their April meeting. So beginning the discussion at the comprehensive plan amendment you can see on the left is the illustrative drawing that dear Horton has provided. It gives you a good feel of the neighborhood and you start to see what some of those densities look like in conjunction with the comprehensive plan. So what is the comprehensive plan? Why are we moving through this process? It's a project and process required by the Met Council. So anyone in the seven county metro area is required to do that and we all are required to typically have the same sections and information in our plans. It gets updated every 10 years. So our current plan was adopted in 2018 looks out to 2040. Uh we are doing some kickoff work for our next comprehensive plan now. It'll be adopted in 2028 and we'll be looking out until 2050. A really important thing that the planning commission and city council uses in your review and approvals is the land use plan and the land use map. So the things that we see in our hazy crystal ball of what we think might happen in some of these growth areas falls into the land use chapter and the land use map. So it sets the uses and residential densities through that process. And then something to think about through this process and through our growth area is there's a program called we refer to it as egg preserve. So it's a credit where farmers can uh commit to farming the property that they have adjacent to city limits and it decreases the property property taxes for them. So they have to continue using it for a set number of years as a farm use to be able to use that benefit. But they are formally uh enrolled in a program called egg preserve. So, uh, it's a program that is used typically on urban edges. So, we start to see it more and more as we start to move west from our current city limits. What that means for our comp plan, though, is that areas that are in that egg preserve program have to be designated as egg uses on our land use map, which is challenging for a variety of reasons. I think it can be um, if someone is trying to do some homework and figure out where we're expected to grow and what it might look like, seeing that agricultural designation on the map, I think, is misleading. So someone could think like, oh, it's a farm in my backyard. It has this agricultural designation. It will always be a farm where we in this room know differently just based on the long-term planning that we do. So our plan is unique. We have two land use maps that are referenced throughout the land use section of the comprehensive plan. So on the left, the taupey brown color is that agriculture designation and then on the right you can see the land use map that we use for long-term planning. So when we think about utilities 10-year capital plans, we use the map on the right to think about where utilities will be, what population might look like. So the first request is for the first two PIDs that are directly adjacent to city limits. So it's going from that taupey color to the true color on the right map. So no change in how we've thought about this property, how we've designated it in conversation, how we've planned for it. The third property is the Hammers property. It's adjacent to 212 where those 105 town homes are proposed and we're looking for reidance on that property from high density to medium density. So I'll talk through those densities I think on the next slide. So you can see the two lighter yellow go from that egg to low density residential. That's what we've anticipated for a long time. And the high density is a request to go to the medium density. So on the screen now you can also see the density requirements for each district. So the area in the light yellow under our current plan is 3 to 5 units per acre. Medium density is 5 to 12 and then that high density is 12 to 36. So the 12 to 36 would typically be an apartment of some type. So a little bit challenging with the site and not a product that Dr. Horton currently offers. So as they move through development of the site, they've proposed town homes which hits that medium density. Medium density in general is less stressful to our system. So it's less folks at a lower density. So, it's less traffic counts, um, less people in the spaces. So, generally the planning is consistent with our comprehensive plan. There's also some density requirements across the entire city. I checked in with the Met Council to make sure that reguiding this property from high to medium doesn't essentially mess with our equilibrium across the rest of the city. Um, with the introduction of Carver Place and Carver Oaks, we got a nice little boost to our overall density for the entire city. So we are able to reguide this property from high to medium without requiring uh high density somewhere else in the community because our densities are pushing a little bit closer to that medium and high right now with the introduction of those two projects. So a comp plan amendment is a long process. There's a 60 60-day review process by affected jurisdictions. So that's the group on the right. So we send notice to those groups. We give them the information. and we say you have 60 days to come back with anything. We received comments from Carver County which are included in the packet but generally uh those are not actionable items. We're looking for city council review tonight. Uh after that I can forward to the Met Council for their review and they have an additional 30 days. So if everything goes well, this project uh the comp plan amendment could be fully in effect early June depending on the Met Council any feedback that they have. A public hearing is required. So notice was set to property owners within 350 ft of the project area. Uh the planning commission held that at their April 16th meeting and no comments were received specific to the comprehensive plan amendment. So again the requests are to go for the first two PIDs from that egg designation which is required for the egg preserve program to low density residential and then moving the hammers piece or the piece adjacent to highway 212 from high density to medium density. I'll open it up for questions and discussion. questions. >> Eric, anything from you? >> No. Erin already addressed my question which was have we socialized the density changes with Met Council and sounds like we have. >> Um Eric, I'm just looking at where the trail system goes and I can't. So when we're looking at the um page we be looking at here we're looking at the 508 total lots and >> is this related to the comp plan amendment or do you think >> pre I open I'm ahead of myself I'll go through some that information in a minute but it felt easier to digest this if we broke it up a little bit. >> Okay. Yeah. So questions keeping it to the comp plan amendment correct now >> or a motion. I would make a motion to adopt resolution 124-26 authorizing submitting the comprehensive plan amendment to the Met Council. >> Motion by Pasco. >> I'll second. >> Second by Sarah. Any further discussion? >> Roll call vote, please. >> Council member Pasco. >> I. Council member Conrad. >> I. >> Council member Ser. >> I. >> Council member Persman. >> I. >> Mayor Johnson. >> I. Motion passes. I'll make a motion to adopt ordinance 03-20. >> Hang on. Oh, the roll call. Oh, wait. >> No, I'm going to do a whole another presentation. >> What is happening tonight? We are like all over the place tonight. >> I'm really excited. >> I'm glad. I'm so glad. >> Just want to approve it all. This doesn't project, you guys. It's not looking good. >> Right. >> Good lord. >> Dr. is about to run out of this room. >> I'm about to >> I'm about to run out of this room. Okay. Are we ready for part two of the presentation? >> I'm so ready. Two and three. >> Okay. This, I will say, is probably the more fun part of the application. So, it's the reasonzoning and preliminary plat. So, we'll talk a little bit about the trail system and park system throughout. So, the pling applications again, preliminary plat and resoning are being reviewed by the city council tonight. The reasoning request is to go to R2 with a PRD or a planned residential development overlay. The need for that PRD is a mix of housing type with uh the town home and the single family. So town home is not a permitted use typically in our R2 district. Uh the PRD designation would allow for that town home mix to come in with a project. And then a reduction in uh lot size minimum. So looking to bring our lot size of R2 to 7500 down lower to allow for those town home units to develop on smaller lot sizes. Something to note that the city council talks about quite a bit is that there's not a request for reduction in sideyard setback. So that's something we see fairly often with that PRD request. So just highlighting that that is not contemplated as part of this request tonight. And then information has been grabbed from the preliminary plat. So showing some information what the setbacks will look like. So they're really typical for that R2 district. The big change is a reduction in that lot size to allow for a variety of single family detached homes. the town homes to have smaller lots and then the mix of two to coexist together. So on the screen now is the concept plan that we saw in a couple versions before the council. So just wanted to give you the starting point of uh where we started and then some changes that have been made by Dr. Horton to better establish um some uh park features, trail features that we were looking for and then also feedback by the planning commission and city council. On the screen now is the preliminary plat. So again you can see that development information gets formalized in this document. So you can see on the right side it's the legal description and then you run through the lot sizes, the setbacks, the densities etc. And then the illustrative graphic that was provided by Dr. Horton. I'm going to break it into a couple so we can start looking at it. So this is obviously the north side of the project. The north uh portion is highway 212 moving south towards dog road is the next road on the further south portion. So you can see that there's a wide mix of housing types that DR is proposing. The different colors show different housing um types that are offered, different products. So the yellow obviously is some of that smaller lot development as well as the orange. The green becomes more of their executive lots and then pink are the town home units. Something to note is that this is the extension of Monroe Drive. So our big collector system moving on the north side of town uh near 212. So getting Monroe all the way over to the westerly property line of the Hammers property will be part of this process. And then you start to see some of those trails that are built into this project both connecting to some features as well as offering just neighborhood connectivity. And then there is there are a lot of ponds in this project. So it'll give nice features for residents that are adjacent to them. The southern portion has some significant changes. So green is their more executive lot and this is where we start to see some large changes to that park system. So, some feedback from the city council is that the park felt really private since the culde-sac went fully around the bulb. It felt hidden like it was maybe a secret. And then there were concerns about parking in that culde-sac. So, if someone wanted to bring a group of friends to play uh whatever the end uses in this park that folks on that culde-sac could really easily get frustrated if they constantly were having park traffic parked in their culde-sac. So, some pretty significant changes to this area specifically related to park development. And then some other things to note that we've worked through. Um the EAW, the environmental assessment worksheet, called out a concern for the noise levels on Highway 212 for those town home units. Dr. Horton is mitigating that with a series of um I'll talk through some of the mitigation steps that they're taking. And then just wanted to note the several accesses into the project. So the north side is from the preserve. It's Old Road, Minro Drive, and then two from Timber Creek. So, four full accesses into the project moving west, which I think will be important for the additional 508 units that are coming in that it's not all feeding to one local street that could cause traffic to pile up. So, on the screen now is a cross-section of the town homes. So, you can see on the bottom you would be looking at the town home units and then Dr. Horton is proposing a burm, landscaping, and a fence to mitigate sound. Um, a lot of sound concern is typically also seen as a visual issue. So, if you see the cars, you're more likely to hear the cars. You have the just the coordination of your brain thinking about those two things together. So, the three partner together, they also are doing some enhanced building materials. So, windows that we saw in Meridian Fields will be used here too to reduce sound in those town homes. And then on the cross-section, there's my mouse. So, this is the town home. This would be the burm and then 212 sits here. So you can see 212 is significantly lower than the burm and the town homes. So at the roof level of where the topmost windows are, you're not likely to see 212 with the mitigation that's proposed between the burming, the landscaping, and the fencing. So something to note that was helpful through the EAW process to identify the need for some type of mitigation for sound in these lots in the town home area. >> Can you move your cursor again to where the 212 elevation is? >> Yep. here. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yep. And then an idea what that birming looks like. So, a really generous landscape plan in this area. There is an HOA proposed for the development. So, the HOA would be responsible for this area of landscape and common space in the HOA space. We've been talking a lot about the park in this space with the planning commission and at the city council level. Uh we have a workshop with the planning commission and city council coming up in early June and one of the topics is going to be programming for a couple parks, the Enclave being one of them. We won't make a decision that night of what it looks like specifically, but we'll start to hear what folks are thinking about, what uses might be desirable both from the planning commission, city council, what folks are hearing. But something to note is that really extensive uh park and trail system. So, it's moving in from Timber Creek, the rustic trail that was put in with Timber Creek 4th, continuing through the Bluff area. This trail will likely be pretty rustic, similar to Hawthorne Ridge. So, likely not accessible if you're on rollerblades or um just for some users that might be looking for a flat surface. So, uh we actually have a meeting tomorrow to go out there and start placing where that trail could shake out depending on what conditions look like. Um hoping to avoid old growth trees. Is it Thursday? I thought it was tomorrow. We'll have to look. >> And then a secondary star is on the map. So that trail section is really lovely and beautiful and showcases some um great viewshed. So, we are toying with the idea of what that would look like for a park feature, whether it be public art that draws people to use that trail system, u pollinator habitat, something to get folks to continue walking on that path, offer a different park use that's outside of a playground that could hit a different demographic for folks that are looking to use our system. On the screen now are some examples of what the Dr. Horton product would look like. So thinking about the different housing types and different spaces. Like I mentioned previously, the planning commission did review at their April meeting. There was a public hearing required for both. The planning commission held that public hearing. There was a concern from a neighboring property owner about trespassing. Um dear Horton really quickly met with that property owner in their continuing dialogue to figure out a solution that would work for both groups. So that comment was brought up at the public hearing. Otherwise, I don't think anyone else spoke. I think it was just one person at that public hearing. So again, the preliminary plat is on the screen now. The city council is reviewing the reszoning from agriculture, which is the designation when any project is in extended city limits to R2 with that PRD overlay allowing for a mix of housing type and reduction in lot size and then the preliminary plat. I'm going to invite Dr. Horton to join us at the table and we can have a discussion. Welcome. Thank you. >> Good evening, Mayor and Council. Uh, I'm Deb Rididgeway with Dr. Horton and with me tonight is Mike Su, also with Dr. Horton. We're happy to be back. >> Yeah, it's been a second since >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Um, but we're here to answer any questions that you may have. Um to add what um Erin was saying about the mitigation from 212, the noise mitigation, we're also going to be putting um STC rated windows to help bring down that uh sound inside the units as well. So >> for all the town homes or just the ones closest? >> Um I believe >> all simpler to >> Okay. And then anything for the yellow homes that are closer to 212. So with that we'd probably do something similar we did at Meridian Fields which was a radius of so so far from 212 those homes got the higher rated windows. >> Okay. Any questions? >> No. Um, the only thing I was going to bring up was just with the Peterson property if you guys had reached out because I was at I'm the leazison for the planning commission. So, I was at that meeting and she was very concerned. >> Yes. And we met with her like a week and a half ago now and I think that we've come to an agreement and >> um yeah about potentially doing a fence out there. So, we'll, like Aaron said, we're going to continue dialogue as we move through the process and get um once we get to that area of development, reach back out with them. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yeah. >> Go ahead. >> Okay. Um just to reiterate, so the only HOA area is going to be we're just I'm going to go by colors here. So, the pinkish purple where the town homes are over there, is that the only area of HOA? >> No. So, we were planning on doing a master association for the entire community. We do plan on having um neighborhood monument signs as you come in to the neighborhood off of Monroe. Um and then so with the master, you would have a two subs essentially, the sub association for the town homes and then one for all of the single family homes. >> Okay. And so I'm not a huge fan of HOAs. um they I think they can they can serve a purpose, but they can also cause more problems than they're worth or they um they end up going defunct after a while. Anyways, >> um is the only reason we're having an HOA over the entire area is because of those monument signs. >> We also thought that we'd probably do some um landscape maintenance along Monroe because we do have a heavier tree planting along Monroe. Um, and so we thought that would be included as a um, responsibility of the HOA as well. And we too, we are in the same boat. We don't like to have HOAs if we don't have to, but this is a large neighborhood and it's a pretty good neighborhood for us where we want to keep we want to keep things looking nice. And with the monuments, the monuments are usually a big deal with the homeowners in the neighborhood and just making sure that those are maintained, >> right? I I mean to me a monument is neither here nor there. I don't I could care less there's a monument that's you know you're in Carver. You're in Carver. >> Um >> Erin for Monroe Drive. So >> if there was no HOA who would be maintaining that area? >> So we would typically extend property lines up to that right of way and then ask that the trees be pulled into the private property. >> Okay. And we've done that in other developments in other cities, but it's still it's the backside of people's homes. So maybe it doesn't get as high a quality of maintenance as we think it should have cuz it's it's going to be our main front door into our neighborhood. So we want it to be enhanced and be attractive and starting today all the way through the life of this neighborhood, which is hopefully a long long time. So, um, we just we find experience-wise that if it's sideyards or backyards and then there's going to be areas where there's ponds as a city going to maintain the pond areas as well as the neighbors do. So, I I think it's just easier if it's all in the HOA to help maintain. Then we're also trying to have a discussion. Are we just going to have a trail on one side or we going to have a trail and sidewalk on Monroe? We kind of lean towards having a trail and a sidewalk on each side or a trail on one side and a sidewalk on the other. But that gets into some maintenance issues that the city has to deal with. So maybe the HOA could take one of the trails or sidewalks and handle the snow so it could be open. I I just think as Monroe is growing, we need pedestrian >> access >> access on both ways. We understand it's not to the east, so we have to figure that out. And we have a lot of conversation with staff and maybe they'll convince us just have one side pedestrian trail, but we think we should have two. And if one of the ways to solve it is to have the HOA maintained part of it, >> right? Because the trail would become property of the city of Carver, but a sidewalk that would be property of the homeowner. I think it would be nice to have it on both sides also. I think because that is going to be a lot of traffic and it's a great road. But when you know when I think about like Midtown Carver, right? Um I forget was it Orton Thompson? Was that the name of the development up here? So I mean I get what you're saying about because those backyards come down to >> Fourth Street. >> Fourth Street. >> Y >> um and but there aren't there's not a trail on that. >> No. >> Northish side. Is there a sidewalk all the way on that southish side? >> There is. Since it's a sidewalk, it's the property owner's responsibility. So, as we all know, being in Carver in the winter, that's a little hit or miss on that stretch for those folks that have that sidewalk in their backyard. >> Okay. What Aaron really means is it's a lot of miss. >> Um, okay. So, all right. Again, this is a really large development to have a a lot of homes in an HOA. I just I mean the I just see some issues with it. You know, we have an HOA in the bluffs right now and we can't get we can't even look to to do things because we can't even get everybody to get to on a signature or to get things going because the association is so huge. So, that worries me. I'm not going to lie. That that HOA up here is troublesome to me. Um, another question for I see there's some ghost plats that are on the culdeac in the green area on the I guess the left. Are those or ghost homes are what's the plan with that? >> So, we've been thinking about the property west of this project a lot. Thinking about connectivity. Is it important to have a street that is stubbed there? There is a significant ravine system that exists on the east side of this property that likely will never develop with when it comes into the city. Our bluff ordinance will take effect. Getting a street through that space is not likely. So, we are thinking through at the Horton what it would look like if a portion of that project or that property could develop on this side of it. This the next property is pretty large. There's some property on the far west side that could develop, but there's a ravine that's likely going to cut off the remainder of the property. So, we wanted to propose the option at least when those folks do choose to sell or develop that there could be some lots that are added in on this side as well. >> Okay. But then that would have to be a marriage between Dr. because Dr. Horton will retain ownership of those lots >> of the portion of lots that are on the your half lots there. Okay. So, then that would be something that you work out with the next homeowner. It's not city concern. >> No, but we also want to be mindful that we have utility stubs there. So, where homes could fit, we want to have capacity to allow that to happen. >> Okay. Um, my next question is talking about the culde-sacs. So, I think we've learned a lesson from a development that went in about 20 years ago um with Lraine Court and there's some issues with parking on street parking up there. Uh a few of the things that you know maybe could have been done better up on that area is that um the driveways were not spaced far enough apart to have a full parking like a full car length vehicle, right? So you've got like 2/3 2/3 2/3. Um so they have a lot of trouble parking there because in between driveways you can't just fit one full length of a vehicle. And then they had a trail connection that came in. So that cuts off another one uh another space. And then they had a cluster mailbox that's also in their parking there. So they have there's been a lot of issues with parking on that culde-sac. So I just want to be really cognizant that we don't make the same mistake again and cause those kind of issues. So I'm not sure how driveways will lay out here, but can we please keep that in mind? >> Yes. And we've also been thinking about snow storage, too. So how we can most effectively clear a culde-sac where it can be stored in there, too. So it's part of our staff review. >> Okay. my let's see the other one I have is when I'm looking at where like the brown trail is coming up through the green and then we are heading up to through the orange and then it looks like once we get into yellow it's gone so there's no trail system up in the yellow area so there would be sidewalk throughout that area it wouldn't be dedicated trail and I can go to the zoomed in >> okay cuz the trail does come up through the orange area. Right. That is the right color. That brown kind of >> Yeah. It's just a little hard to see with the brown and the green >> here. My cursor is a strange shape. The trail system is here. >> I'm looking more to the Go to the right, Erin. That Nope. Back to the left there. This up this north and south right here. Yeah. So you can see on the right hand side there it looks like there's brown for the trail and then it stops once you get into the yellow above that into the neighbor. Okay. So it'll just be sidewalk in there then. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> Um my other question about that trail system. So we have the park down in the lefthand corner to that upper right hand corner or that upper leftand corner of the yellow and the pink. How far is that to get to a park? Cuz that seems a long ways. >> Yeah, besides going to the this far. But um but I mean there's a lot to go around because there's a lot of really like wonderful, you know, basins and wetlands and things to go around. But it just seems if you are living in one of those corners, getting to I'm I don't even know what it is, but we'll just say playground for now. To get to a playground or a recreational area is a bit of a ways. >> And I'm not sure, Erin, what to to the right on the yellow. What is there a place? No, the closest here is Ironwood and Olsen. >> Okay. >> On the west side of JCP. >> Okay. >> It's approximately a half mile. >> Okay. Okay. >> Erin, what do you think? What do you have to say about that? >> Is that Is that a half mile as the crowies or is that a half mile following the trail that you would have to take to get there? Uh probably as a as a trailer, as a walking path. >> Okay. Okay. >> Because those could be two very different numbers. >> Running through the marsh land with your stroller. >> So my feedback would be for a community park of this scale. I think it works, especially with the amount of trail that we are offering. We're not asking folks to um like move from sidewalk to trail. It's a going to be a really robust system. Also, as someone with two really young kids, sometimes that half mile walk adds the 20 minutes you need to really pass an afternoon. So, I would say there's parking available. So, if someone's not comfortable um taking the trail system there, there is another option. But I would say with our move to more community scale parks and the fact that there isn't one on this section, so we have Meridian Fields, the preserve, Timber Creek, and now the Enclave without a true community park on the west side of JCP. I think that it's appropriate to get a large scale park for all of those users. I think adding pocket parks throughout could overwhelm some of the spaces, especially with the amount of kids that are likely there. So, if we didn't have as robust of a trail system or if we were asking kids to cross several collector level streets, I think I would feel differently. But, we've worked really closely and hard on this trail system to make it accessible to folks throughout the development. Um, we're also working on an enhanced pedestrian crossing so folks that are in that town home can get on the other side of Monroe in a safe fashion that is not just a crosswalk with an uncontrolled intersection. So, more to come on that as well, but the combination of the controlled pedestrian access across Monroe and the trail system I think is appropriate. >> Okay. Okay. Thank you. That helps a lot. Um, my other comment I wanted to make was on some of the housing styles, and I love it. I love it that there are some smaller homes, right? Less square feet, two or three style garages. Um, I think we don't have something currently that's come in that looks like this. And thank you. This is amazing. I'm happy to see something that um can fit different lifestyles >> than sixbedroom homes and you know what I mean. So I I really appreciate that there's some diversity in the housing stock here a lot. So I'm very very happy to see this. Um, with that, I will just I'm only going to reiterate then, um, let's let's really pay attention to what happens in those courts when it comes to parking and things like that and that I am not a big fan of this HOA. So, I'll leave it there. Thank you. Yep. >> Uh, no questions. Um, but I do like the variety that it would be bringing us. Eric, >> uh Christie, when you were talking about ghost homes, were you talking about the five future lots on the west side? >> Yes. Mhm. >> Okay. Then I think we've already talked about that. That's dependent on a land land acquisition. Then I don't have any more questions. Uh I really like the redesign of that southwest park area from when we first saw it. So that looks far more accessible. Uh, but no other comments that haven't already been addressed. >> All right. Um, I have a little bit of a laundry list. Um, I agree with you. I love the the variety of homes. Are there, and maybe you had it in the packet, but are there any that are universal design, no steps, slab on grade accessible? >> So, um, the yellow homes are actually slab on grade, no basements, but they are twostory homes. Okay. in our um the orange style homes which are the ones that we built in Meridian Fields that has a slab- ongrade single level home plan in that series. And then the green homes which is what we built in Hawthorne Ridge, those also have um a singlestory home but with a basement. >> Okay. Okay. Thank you. Um let's see. I don't have any issues with an HOA. Folks will be building these homes. They'll know what they're getting into. Every homeowner beyond that will know in perpetuity that they are buying into an HOA. >> When I brought a property in an HOA, you actually have a few days to read the documents and you can resend your offer. Is that still a state law? >> Um, it is for town homes. Yes. >> Okay. So, you can resend your offer if you see something in the condo docs that you don't like. >> I'm still not sure if people read the condo docs. However, there they are. Um, can you tell me the approximate? And I know you've got many different styles, but price point for these homes. >> Yep. So, the town homes will be um the lowest price homes, which will be around 400,000. So, >> okay. >> I mean, there's still it's still a significant investment. >> Um, the yellow homes are the next step up. Um, which are probably a little over four is what we're anticipating. Um the orange or the blue homes, those >> the orange and blue are about the same price. >> The yellow and blue. The yellow and blue about the same, aren't they? >> Correct. >> Okay. And then the orange are probably going to be around 500. >> Okay. >> Um the low to mid fives and then the green are the biggest homes and those will be pushing over 600,000. Okay. >> Um thank you. Um, I wanted to the driveway to the park. Is that is there topography that we're dealing with there and that's why it makes it a longer driveway? >> Just >> which will make maybe for a great sledding hill, >> but it is really steep right there. >> Thank you. Okay. My just my one thought depending on how we program that park is if it's, you know, if there's a soccer field in there or something that's a team sport that brings two teams and family members and grandparents. I'm already envisioning folks parking along >> that driveway. So, I just think we need to be careful when we're planning that and programming and kind of anticipating that >> sports families have some of the most creative parking I've ever seen. So, just kind of planning for that because I know that there have been different areas in town around community park around Bluff Park that we've experienced that. So, just kind of keeping that in mind. >> Um, also in the park, I love the idea for native seed. I know that um literally mowing lawns in parks uh during the summer is a full-time job. So, I love having that variety in areas that that don't have to be mowed. Um programming of park, that's something that the city will do. >> Uh we'll have a discussion with Dr. Horn and I'll say it'll be a partnership in that decision- making. >> Okay. Um, you have heard this from me before, but I'm disappointed that we weren't able to um, squeeze is the wrong word, but find a place for some larger lots in such a large development. I'm not going to beat that horse to death, but I wanted to go on record. You guys know how I feel about that. >> And just add one thing. Them five lots on the end of the >> culdeacs >> are could be really some spectacular home sites. >> So, maybe down the road there. Still, we haven't given up that hope yet. >> I'll keep you to I'll hold you to that. Okay. Um Erin, you went and you kind of highlighted all the areas where is the access from the east side and then it funnels down right now in this development which will be a dead end to one access point to the west. Will that potentially kind of spiderweb out eventually someday and not funnel down? I imagine that we'll have more if when built out more access on the west side. >> I will say the property that is west is very bluffy and there's a large ravine system. So even when that comes into city limits, I do not think that's developable space that would allow for a road to be constructed there. >> So you think that Monroe Drive will end there? >> Oh, sorry. Monroe will continue. anything south of that Monroe goes all the way through. But the property that's um like you can see at the end of the green it's two culde-sacs then the the blue loops as well. >> There is an additional access south that would allow traffic to continue west. >> Yeah. So I'm not saying from there but I'm saying like >> this is crystal ball stuff like >> the >> property that we're not talking about that's to the west of it that we're now talking about. >> Sure. >> Is that flat? Does that allow to spiderweb out? >> Yes. from >> like the inverse of this potentially. >> Go ahead. >> I'll just supplement U mayor. So, as part of this preliminary plat process, we've essentially looked at the future Monroe extension all the way out to County Road 43, which will be the the sole main collector road um servicing this area. >> Um that said, there will be additional interior local roadways. Okay. Um, but as far as like the east west connector, Monroe Drive will be that road. >> Okay. But I guess maybe rephrasing my question, the bluff is just kind or the ravine and bluff is just this area that you can see on this. >> Correct. >> Yep. >> And then it is more buildable on the west side in an area that we're not even talking about. >> Correct. Okay. >> And there's a pocket like at 212 and 43. There's some flat space. So there could be additional accesses from 43 too. So, Minro might not be the only street that connects to 43. Just thinking about how we plan for that additional space. >> Okay. Um, my next question are are the only private streets that I'm looking at here in the town home area. Is that right? >> Yes, that is correct. >> Okay. Um, and then I think the last one might have already been um Erin, I think you addressed it, but pedestrian access across Monroe, especially for this park, there's going to be something. Yes. Location to be determined still, but we're working through that. >> Okay. And you said enhanced inter enhanced pedestrian crossing. Is that like an RB? What do we thought? >> Potentially the rapid RRFB. >> Rapid response flashing beacon. >> Is that right? >> Oh, we started >> close enough. Rectangular. Yeah, whatever. We're Yeah, we're looking at it. >> Okay. You stumped the engineer tonight. >> It must be getting late. Okay. Um, thank you. Thank you for um answering all my questions. Um, with that, if you want to make the motion that you wanted to make early. >> Oh my gosh. Do you want me to reszone something now? >> Well, that's where we're at. >> Okay. Are we sure? Okay. I'd like to make a motion to adopt ordinance 03-2026 reszoning property for the Enclave at Carver Creek. >> Got a motion by council member. I'll second. >> Second by council member Pchman. Any further discussion? >> All right. Can we get a roll call vote, please? >> Council member Pasco, >> I. >> Council member Conrad, >> I. >> Council member Seer, >> I. >> Council member Pchman, >> I. >> Mayor Johnson, >> I. Motion passes. One more to go. >> All right. Um, I'll make a motion to adopt resolution 125-26 approving preliminary plat for the Enclave at Carver Creek. >> Motion by Council Member Conrad. >> I'll second. I'm going to give that one to Lori. Um, second by Lori. Uh, any further discussion? Can we get another roll call vote, please? >> Council member Pasco, >> I. >> Council member Conrad, >> I. >> Council member Ser, >> I. >> Council member Persman, >> I. >> Mayor Johnson, >> I. Motion passes. All right. >> Thank you. >> Thank you guys. >> Thank you. Um, okay. 8.2. The AON Business Park. >> Miss Smith. >> Thank you, Mayor and Council. Uh, the final application that I have before you is a final plat application for the AON business park which is proposed by Mezenbrink Construction. So, there have been some big changes since last time you saw this property. Uh, we originally were talking through this project with United Properties and then we took a little bit of a breather. Um we were working through some drainage issues uh working with United Properties on some signal design stuff and in that time United Properties was approached to sell to Mezenbury construction. They're company out of Prior Lake with industrial projects across the south metro. Most recently have built a very similar product in Chanhassen near Paisley Park off Highway 5. So if you want to see what the building will look like that's a good one to check out. So United Properties was planning to build the buildings and then lease the space to the end users. That story has since changed where Mezenbrink will lease the entire first building to a known end user and the second building will be phase two with the end user to be determined. But phase one will be that first south building with an enduser um known. So instead of looking for lease spaces, the end user will move into that space. The zoning is consistent with what we reviewed for the United Properties project. And then we checked in with the environmental quality board to make sure the environmental assessment worksheet was still applicable. knowing that that the EAW looks at some project specific details and the uses were consistent enough that we did not need to go back and revise the EAW. So again, very similar with our industrial zoning district, very similar to what we approved at preliminary plat with the United Properties potential project. So we've seen this project, we've talked about this project for a really long time. So we saw the concept plan August of 2024. We moved through annexation, the EAW, the TIFF application, and then preliminary plat. The planning commission reviewed the same application at their April 16th, 20 26 meeting, so just a couple weeks ago, and they recommended approval on a 5 to zero vote to the city council. Some context and some project details. We're at the corner of Levi Griffin Road and County Road 11 or Jonathan Carver Parkway. It's circled on our land use map, so you can see it's purple, which is a commercial industrial mix. So this project is consistent with the city's adopted comprehensive plan. The address was formerly 12280 Jonathan Carver Parkway. So adjacent to Lake View Industries near Fleet Farm. This was the concept plan that we saw for United Properties. It was two mirrored buildings at I think 189,000 square feet each. So some changes that have happened since uh this project has come to fruition, which I'll highlight in an upcoming slide. On the screen now is the final plat. Nope. This is the preliminary plat that you reviewed several months ago. So looking at it, generally when you see the final plat, you're going to see some small changes, but nothing major enough that we needed to go back and revise the preliminary plat. So there's final plat is on the screen now. So a couple of changes to highlight. The United Properties project when approved at preliminary plat contemplated a slip right into the site on the south side of the project. So you can see that on the plat here. My cursor is so strange up there, but it's there. With the AON project, they have eliminated that slip right. So, the only access will be at the major intersection of Levag Griffin Road and Commerce Drive. And then a shift in the building sizes. The overall square footage stays the same, but project A, the first building on the south side, uh, gets significantly larger. I think it's 257,400 ft. So between the two buildings, we're hitting the same square footage, just that the first phase, building one is significantly larger, which then will lead to phase two being a smaller building. So something to note, it stays consistent across the projects. Uh like Mayor Johnson mentioned, we were thinking about the trail. So when we vacated those easements, making sure that the trail stayed consistent with this project. It does. It comes in on the plans. So, we worked on this trail a lot because um along Jonathan Carver Parkway or County Road 11, it's a ditch system. So, we're not able to put a trail typically where we would because it's a working ditch system. Water goes into that space, flows down the county road. So, we've pulled the trail closer to the building. So, the trail will exist um when the project opens and then we'll continue to propagate the trail north. So, it'll just be a little bit closer to the building than what's typical, but not knowing the timeline of when this section of Jonathan Carver Parkway might improve, it felt really important to get that trail in day one so folks can anticipate that it will continue both on the site and north. We've had a lot of discussion about landscaping and tree removal, which I think I'll talk about on the next slide. And then the third thing to note is the signal installation at Levi Griffin and Commerce Drive. So, circled on the screen is where the full intersection, the signalized intersection will go. So it'll be a traffic change for folks that go to Fleet Farm or Lake View, but we're hopeful that the construction of the signal will be consistent with that phase one project. So when folks come to Carver day one of their job, they know what to expect with that signalized system. So it'll be installed for Lake View Industries Fleet Farm, the end user here, and then phase two along with projects that we're working on in the surrounding project area. Part of the pause and um why we took a beat after the preliminary plat was that at the public hearing there was long discussion about soil contamination and some drainage issues that were identified. So at the end of the day we learned through um some work that Brun interted was that the site was contaminated. That was what the report said and that was true. It's unfortunate that that happened that there were some leaking I think fuel and oil tanks that were on site. But the piece of development that uh is great for that is that the site has been cleaned up. So any soil contamination has been completely mitigated and removed from that site. So when it was in the township, there was likely some leakage that happened from some tanks which led to contaminated soils bringing the project in for development. The site cleanup was required. So that happened. Um what we know now from the Bronn reports is that the margins came back clean and that the soil contamination there has been eliminated. And then the secondary piece that you all know fairly well at this point is some drainage concerns that the property owner had south. So on the other side of Lee Griffin Road, we've worked with that property owner to develop some solutions that will likely um help make sure that development water does not adversely impact the property that is south. So it's been a journey. We've had a lot of conversations with Mandot thinking through what that project looks like long term, but we've come up with some solutions that work for the Messenbring piece, adjacent property owners, and the city as well. >> Erin, I have a question for the soil contamination that's been resolved. Who paid for that or who in a situation like this? >> The developer. So, I believe it was the property owner that was selling the property and then the developer split the cost of that. The city was not involved in the payment of that. Quick question. When it was a United property development, wasn't that going to be uh two different phases of development? Is this the same? Will they do building one and then a future building two? Are they going to happen at the same time? >> So, right now, building one is contemplated with a future phase two. So, very similar to what was contemplated with United Properties. >> Okay. >> Do you have any idea on the timing of phase two? No, but working with the Mezenbring team, I would say it's going to be soon. >> Okay. >> So, in a couple slides, I'll invite Jennifer up to and she can tell us the real way to say it. >> Yes. >> I don't know. >> Yeah, I know. >> Because there's too many vowels. We need to take one of these vowels. >> Pick something up. >> So, something significant that we had to get a little bit creative with on the site was tree replacement. So, there are significant trees on this site that need to be removed for construction of two industrial buildings. But it got a little bit sticky when we started to think about what tree replacement looked like on this site since it has some pretty limited space with some ponding that happens on the north side with some basins that are required etc. I also think that it would be feudal to have a really heavily landscaped industrial site where people are going there for industry to work a job. I don't anticipate a robust grounds crew that would come out and take care of hundreds of trees on an industrial site. So, we worked through um some calculations with the Mezenbrink team and through the tree replacement and removal, there will be a fund established that will allow the city to use 36ish,000. It's on here. It's just really really small, so I can't read it, but 36 plus,000 on tree or landscape projects throughout the community. So, those dollars have to be used for that use only. But when we start thinking through um community park is one that we've identified where Emerald Ashbor has started to take several of those trees down, we can use those funds for removal and replacement of those trees where without this project, we wouldn't have that fund established to have some money to put towards that other tree project in the city as applicable for the landscape plan for this project specifically. So something a little bit unique, but um the mezzanink team was great to work with through that process, working through what a calculation looked like um and then how we could use those funds moving forward. So the proposed landscape plan that they will be move moving forward with now is on the screen. Oh, it's so much bigger here. $36,640 is the total amount, but you can see that there's significant planting still throughout the site, but you can see where those basins come into play on the north side. So space really got limited really quickly where trees could be planted and be successful. Uh next is the phototric plan. So you can see that light will not be leaving the site from the spaces that are lit around the building. So making sure adjacent property owners are not adversely impacted by light off the building. Building renderings are on the screen too. So uh this view of the building is going to be really consistent with lake view with some of those pops of blue. So it'll look really consistent and I think we'll start to build kind of that narrative of industrial development along Levi Griffin. And the end user for the first building, the 257,000 foot building is the Bernard Group. So they're headquartered in Chanhassen. They do point of purchase displays, interactive displays. Um I think for like trade shows, but also if you go into a local retailer, if there's a display, it likely was sourced by the Bernard group. So, it's warehousing, inventory, storage, packaging, shipping, and receiving. All consistent with our industrial zoning district. And the Carver site is likely to have 50 employees, logistics personnel, warehouse associates, operation management on a two shift schedule, six days per week. So, final plat is on the screen now. Jennifer, do you want to join us for the discussion? >> Thanks for your patience. You picked the meeting where we are going pretty late. I know. Long long night. That's okay. >> Uh nice to meet you all. >> Uh I'm Jennifer Ascamp. I actually am an I'm a planner. Uh I work with the Messenbrink team uh and help them with all of their entitlements. So, uh they graciously asked me to come tonight on Monday night to sit through this nice long meeting. Uh which was just fine. Uh before the meeting, I actually Googled uh and then also had Google lady tell me how to say ion slash and there were about four different ways to say it is what I can tell you. So you're all correct is I think the conclusion uh and whatever sounds the most pleasant to your ear is how you should say it. So that's my that's my conclusion based on AI. >> All right. So, >> fantastic. Uh, questions. >> I have a question about uh we Erin, can you say the shifts again? You said it was two two shift schedules. So, a first and second shift, I'm assuming. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> So, not overnight, but a first, an AM, and a PM. So, okay. >> It's not a standard 8 to 4 or anything like that. >> Okay. So, when My Pillow was here in town on Sixth Street and they were running, they were doing an a third shift. Um, and they got in a little bit of trouble for doing the third shift, but they also had CO, right? So, they had a COP there. So, um, do we have anything like ordinance-wise that would prohibit if they wanted to go to add a third shift, they could? >> No. So, uh, site access would be available to them 247, which would largely be the thing that would happen, but they could operate a third shift should they need to. >> Okay. Um, so the heartburn, help me remember, the heartburn with when my pillow was here was because it was centered in a residential location, right? Correct. >> And then I don't remember the cup. Is it how many years or was it something like that? the cup limited. It said they could not run a third shift. Okay. But they were incentives in a residential area. It was impactful. >> Okay. And this is a different area of tout. I just wanted to make sure and and check that off the list that we weren't setting ourselves up for anything again. >> I have >> I don't have any questions. >> No questions. And I have no concerns. No. Um knowing what some pain points were with the the My Pillow and part of it too the location. Yeah. >> And unmaintained gravel >> parking lot. So >> we're good here. >> Yep. >> Eric, >> no additional questions. >> Okay. Um my only question is you said um very similar to the Chan development by Paisley Park. Is that the one where the Bernard group is there? >> Yes. >> Okay. Okay. Fantastic. >> This is an expansion. So they asked me to find another site because they needed more space and they found this site. >> Awesome. So awesome. Well, this is very exciting. Um, I think we are done with questions. With that, I will make a motion to adopt resolution 123-26 approving the final plaque for the ION business park. >> I'll second motion by Johnson, second by Ser. Any further discussion? Can we get a roll call vote, please? >> Council member Pasco, >> I. >> Council member Conrad, >> I. >> Council member Ser. Council member Pchman. >> I, >> Mayor Johnson, >> I. Motion passes. >> Oh, thank you. >> I have a question. >> Um, >> do we need two motions? >> We do. >> So, I'll make a motion to approve and enter into development agreement with Ion Industrial Park LLC for ION Business Park. >> Motion by Sarah. >> I'll second. Second by Conrad. Any further discussion? >> Can we get a roll call vote, please? Council member Pasco, >> I. >> Council member Conrad, >> I. >> Council member Seer, >> I. >> Council member Persman, >> I. >> Mayor Johnson, >> I. Motion passes. Welcome to Carver. >> We're excited. >> They are too. >> Um, shovels in the ground. >> Uh, they're already doing work out there. They're already >> grading, but yes. So, very very quick. >> Awesome. >> Awesome. Congratulations. >> Happy to have you. Um, okay. Up next we have 8.3, the 2026 street maintenance project bid award. Uh, Mr. Schmidt. All right. Good evening, Mayor and Council. Uh, good news for everybody today. Um, we opened bids last week on the street project. Got very, very good numbers, which was great to see. Uh, paving prices came in quite a bit lower than what we were estimating. So, um, all good things at the end of the day here. So, um, two two actions tonight. There's there's two contract awards that are being considered here. One to Valley Paving. So, they'd be doing the Main Street project this year. Um, they came in with a low bid in the amount of about 1,230,000. Uh, they're out of Shockby, Minnesota. Done all kinds of work in the Twin Cities area. So, no concerns there with valley paving. And then the second one was for the fog ceiling project. So, the trail fog ceiling program that we have, um, Allied Blacktop was actually in town last year to do the same thing. So, uh, they did a really good job. Um, their their low quote came in at about $19,500. So, uh, again, no concerns with Allied Blacktop. They're a good company. They do good work. So, um, that would be for the trail fog ceiling work. Um, I guess in in total for the updated project budget, we are looking at about $1.64 million for the revised budget. So that's $288,000 under what what our preliminary estimates were from the pavement management plan. So again, all good things. This budget maintains a full five percent contingency along with all soft costs projected or anticipated to finish out the project. So um again this is this is great news um for the for the city. Just as a reminder, we are we were contemplating multiple funding sources um to complete the project using our street uh maintenance fund, MSA funds for Mount O'Roy, and then the utility enterprise funds um for the utility pieces. Lastly, going into bids, we were thinking that we were going to maybe have an inter fund loan of about $300,000 for the sidewalk extension. uh with these favorable bids we received that that is going to be significantly reduced if not eliminated as part of this. So we're looking at um hopefully not having to use all that is you know if we don't use all the conting contingencies up um we hopefully won't have to have any kind of an inter fund loan scenario for that sidewalk extension. So, um I guess I'll keep it short and sweet unless we want to talk about something else tonight, but we'd recommend uh moving forward and approving those contracts. >> So, inner fund loan, just so I'm clear, would potentially be an inter fund loan to a smaller amount than the 310 that we were assuming, >> but then that would be something that we would budget for our 2027 >> budget. Correct. But we don't believe we're going to need any of it. >> Great. That's exactly what I want to hear. Okay. Um, and then start date. >> Um, I have not spoken with Allied yet, but Valley Paving, I spoke to the owner of of that company, and he's thinking probably mid to late July is when they'll be starting on that one. >> Uh, completion date is October 9th as specified in the contract for substantial completion with a final U project completion of October 30th. So, >> super and steambo days has slipped >> and steam the week of Steambo days is off limits for the contract. >> Um, can I go ahead? Go. >> All right. I'll make a motion to award a contract to Valley Paving Incorporated in the amount of 1,230,26.81 for the 2026 street improvements project. >> Motion by Conrad. >> Second. >> A second. >> Second by Pasco. Sorry, Eric. Um, >> hey, that's my neighborhood. I get to second. >> Well, good thing we got one more to go. Um, let's see. Uh, any further discussion? >> Can we get a roll call vote, please? >> Council member Pasco, >> I. >> Council member Conrad, >> I. >> Council member Seer, >> I. >> Council member Persman, >> I. >> Mayor Johnson, >> I. Motion passes. >> Eric, take this one. >> I don't have it in front of me to read. But he's really good at a second. >> I'll make a motion to accept the quote from Allied Blacktop Company in the amount of $19,490 for the Trail Fog Seal project. >> I'll second. >> Okay. Motion by Conrad, second by Pchman. Any further discussion? All right. Roll call vote, please. >> Council member Pasco, >> I. >> Council member Conrad, >> I. >> Council member Ser, >> I. Council member Pchman. >> I, >> Mayor Johnson, >> I. Motion passes. All right. Let's fix some streets. >> All right. Thank you. >> Um, okay. Next. Um, city manager report. >> Nothing tonight, council. >> Okay. Any Let's do council requests and updates. Eric, do you want to go first? >> Uh, well, I'm going to let you talk about our visit to Carver Place. That was my only uh contribution, but I'll let you take it. >> Okay. Uh, who wants to go next? >> I can go next. Um, a quick update. I attended a Southwest Transportation and they have the word coalition in it and I just at first I was really >> Yeah, I have a hard time with that word, but Southwest Corridor Transportation Coalition. Super interesting in how long the group got established. Um, which is, you know, coalition meant something different. And now that they've made such progress on 212 and the meeting covered that topic as well as um the highway 5 and then interesting enough um there also had a presentation on highway 7. So um it was just really educational too to see the decades it takes to do this planning um and the decades it'll be until we see some of these changes. Um there was the mayor from Chaza and then uh the mayor from Shorewood who was new to the group because of wanting to continue the momentum um that they been able to do when you get the different groups and entities um working together. So that's my update. >> Thanks Chris. >> Uh I just saw that the HPC can HPC meeting is canceled. Um so we won't have those this month. Uh, we did have the fireboard meeting last was it last Thursday or Thursday before? Last Thursday. And um, >> it's funny that you brought up social media tonight with Tim because that was one of my comments to them was, you know, you're seeing a lot of this across the board now from different um, you know, fire departments, police departments, and I said, you know, they've I know they've done at least one or two that I've seen. So, I said I asked if they had any intentions to do more, and they said yes. So, um, of course that we don't want to get any sticky situations with with the songs that we're using. >> Had any trademarking or copyrighting issues, but, um, >> like a fire department by the same name. >> Yes. By Yeah. Carver, Massachusetts, I think it was. Anyway, so um, it was a really great meeting. It's a nice group of people. If you if anyone ever wants to see the meeting packet, um, if you don't receive it, just ask and they'll send it to you. has lots of graphs and different things about the the fire calls and everything in it. So, >> sounds fascinating. >> It it is fascinating. Um I'm trying to think if there was any highlights any highlights you can think of from that exactly. Um but the the townships overall sound that uh they're really pleased with working with the city of Carver. And I do want to give some props out to um our fire department. We did hear from one of the townships that this fire department and this city council is by far we'll just say very good to work with as compared to some they have worked with in the past. So I just think it it's good to know that that they they have a trust factor with the Carver fire and that they have they appreciate the good working relationship that the townships have. So and they made point to say that. So I thought we should we should all know. >> That's all I have. >> Kayla >> uh my only thing is just Heads up for everyone. Um, it is mental health awareness month and Carver County is having an opportunity for a free presentation done by NAMI which is a nationally recognized organization that deals with mental health issues. Last year it was held here at the city of Carver. This year it's being held at the Colon Community Center, but the topic uh is car creating caring communities um and kind of what that looks like. It will be on Thursday at 6 PM at Col Community Center. So, if you are interested, look into that. >> Thank you. Um, my updates on April 22nd, I had my annual Earth Day hike to the Cheesecave. We saw Lori on the way back and had um really good turnout. The weather was great. It was almost too hot. Um, had just under 30 participants for that. On the 23rd, the mayor's uh uh Minnesota Mayor's Association had a meetup in Wake Park and we toured the Ledge Amphitheater, which was super cool. I don't know if you guys have ever >> great. >> It is so cool. And it's uh built on an old granite quarry and it's using like ponds and natural features. It's built in kind of the side of a cliff. Super cool. So, we had the tour of that and then we went to um the park event center which was a tiff project that the city of white park did which is a couple of ballrooms um and another really really great project that was super cool. Um lion's pork chop supper was on the 24th. The pork chops were fantastic as always. Um, also on the 24th, um, at a more somber note, um, the Carver Fire Department was one of probably dozens of fire departments that took place in recognizing the honor transfer of Captain Willoughar Biani, who is a Medal of Honor recipient um, and P in World War II. They brought um, he um, was killed in action in 1945, but his remains were only identified last summer. So they brought his remains um from the airport back to back home to Newolm and Carver was along that route. So um I was able to go with a couple firefighters and we sat on the overpass over 212 and just really cool to see. Um let's see. Last Monday, I was interviewed by Jeff Wagner from WCCCCO TV for their good question segment that's going to air tonight at 10:00. And it was about um communities and growth and how we plan for growth, which was a pretty easy interview because I could say we've got this plan and that plan and that plan and this plan and this plan and we know that when we reach a certain threshold, we'll need to buy a new fire or a new like plow truck and we'll have to hire a new public services individual. So, um let's see. The Southwest Metro Chambers first responder lunchon was last Wednesday, April 29th. Um the four fire departments in our four communities all had an honore as did the Carver County Sheriff's Department um and um Chesca Police and Rich View. Our honory was uh Chief Walsh who did not know about it until we were standing up there on stage. Um which was pretty cool and took a herculean effort by the fire department. So really cool to be part of that surprise. >> Um what was also cool too is there was another car firefighter. Some of our firefighters moonlight or work for two different fire departments. Alfred Bartell's is one of them and he works for Chast uh Chanhassen Fire and he was their uh honore. So it was cool to see two Carver firefighters honored um that same night. Um there are very few privileges with this role. Um but one of them happened last Wednesday night where I got a tour of the new public safety facility in Chesca uh from Mayor Hubard and it was super cool. They've got a really cool facility over there. So, when they do the public open house, make sure you don't miss it. Very cool. Um, and then last uh was Thursday, as uh Council Member Pchman mentioned, we visited Carver Place. Um, we had three residents come and talk to us. We were there for about an hour. Um, really cool to be in there. You guys know that I try to visit Carver um Carver Crossing about once a year. This was my first time going to Carver Place. Um, and both all three of the folks, it was a couple and then one individual. Everybody had moved um to Carver from other area communities, so they were familiar. So, it wasn't like a welcome to Carver. This is our history. Um, but lots of good questions. Um, lots of questions on growth and development. Um, and just a really great group. Am I forgetting anything, Eric, or anything that I didn't highlight that you would have? >> No, I think you got it. >> Okay. Um, let's see. What else do I have here? Um, and then last Saturday I had um my mayor's office hours and talked to four carbon residents. So, that was fun. Um, just a few other things. Um, on Wednesday, Lewab is opening. So, super exciting. I stopped by there a few weeks ago and got a little bit of a tour. Um, one of their things for Lewab is they always have free popcorn. So, swing in, say hi, and get some popcorn. >> Um, there was um a last week the Carver County Board had a work session, and one of the topics was voting and elections and I'm going to forward you an email that I shared with the Carver County Mayors Group. Um, but they were talking about elections and for the 2026 election, they have moved departments in their government building and they're going to have extra space for absentee ballots. Um, so instead of having I think it was like one or two teams going through absentee ballots, they're going to be able to accommodate as many as five. Um then they started looking ahead and as um maybe you guys know, maybe you don't. Um the county is going to have is planning to rebuild that building um because they're it's it's time. It's not in good shape and there are actually portions of it that they can't work in because it's deteriorating to such a level. the plans for the new building don't have any um space designated for absentee voting or where that could take place and they're hoping to have the cities take that over which I have some mixed feelings on. That wouldn't be until probably 2030, but it's something that I want on everybody's radar. So, I will send that email um to Brent to forward along to you um and just have some call outs. So 2026 will probably be the last well I forget the timing of that building but there will be you know voting in that building and then there'll be a time where they're under construction but the new building at this point they identified in that work session there's no room for absentee >> collection >> collection. >> So they would want the cities to collect in store. >> They would want absentee voting to take place at the cities. You know how you go to the county and you vote there. They would want the cities to do that. >> Be providing funding for space and staff >> to be determined. That's a really good question. And even then the funding, you know, like this is something that depending on how long you do it for, it's something that absolutely has to be staffed. You can't have one person doing it and then they close down for lunch. You know, like the ballots have to be watched and there has to be that chain of custody and it can't just be one person. and it has to be a couple and they have to be elections >> elections. We can't have a summer seasonal do this. So, um >> you know, could very easily be a topic for a different council, but I just want to put it on the radar because it was something um that they seemed to be really excited about getting the cities together. >> Yes, they were. So, um, and then, uh, only other thing was last Friday we had Carver County Mayors and this was one of the topics that we discussed. So, >> that is it for me. >> I would entertain a motion to adjurnn. >> Absolutely. Sorry, I'm just processing what you just said. >> I just thought you wanted to stay here longer. >> I do. I can't. I will make a motion to adjurnn. >> Motion by council member Conrad. >> I'll second. >> Second by council member sir. Can we get a roll call vote, please? Council member Pasco. >> I. >> Council member Conrad. >> I. >> Council member Ser. >> I. >> Council member Persman. >> I. >> Mayor Johnson. >> I. Motion passes. Good evening.