e e e e e e e e e people liked it simply because everyone knew where it was it got to aain old you got to remember what all right I'll call the uh White Township board meeting to order for October 7th at 7 o'clock first item on the agenda is the approval of the agenda together we have some modifications Patrick yes Mr chair if it pleases the board please add per your uh meeting supplement uh 9A um and or scel properties uh request for permitted use standards permit and a variance from section 5- 2.10 of ordinance number 87 uh I also would add for the board's consideration 9B calling a special meeting to accept um bids for the administrative offices reconstruct project and then I gather two we would like to move one of our guests up correct um item 88 just after the consent agenda yes Mr chair you are correct um one other item wasn't there another 5G added to the consent and the consent agenda yes there was oh you are correct sorry I thought those were just your supplements yes we just received this this afternoon 5G will be discussion of buckthorne removal uh consideration to allow residents to remove invasive Buckthorn shrubs from the east and south Shoreline of oakd pond along Anderly Lane and Anderly Lane West and authorized pickup of the removed Buckthorn by the township okay and then we have one other item I believe we're going to table item 8B Municipal Services agreement wow yes that must be we're done wish all right do I have a motion to amend the agenda as amended so moved second all in favor say I I I all opposed that motion carries item number three is approval payment of the bills uh Steve did you sign off on that I did move to approve payment of the bills I will second that all in favor say I I opposed all right that motion carries and be looking for a motion for approval of the minutes of the September 16th 2019 and also we have a September 26 2019 Town board meeting minutes um let see when I was at and when I wasn't I'll I'll move to I'll move to approve the uh minutes of the September 16th Town board meeting Mo a second oh second say September 16th is that what it is yeah yep that was the town board meeting all right I'll second that you two have to do the other one wasn't add it all right all in favor say I I I opposed and I gather September 26th it was just you and me SC all right so I will move to approve the minutes from the special Town board meeting on September 26th and I'll second that motion all in favor say I I I opposed or abstain abstain all right moving on item number five it looks like we have uh seven consent agenda items uh normally we would read these but unless someone has a concern about one of them wants to pull it off I would look for a motion to approve I will move to approve the consent agenda as submitted second second all favor say I I all opposed all right the motion carries uh we're going to jump to item 8 a Tim Wald we have a white be Lake 624 school district presentation thank you Tim wall is there I'm way casmer we weren't sure if we were both going to be able to make it tonight uh I came back from from duth and made it in time I'm the superintendent Tim is the assistant superintendent for finance and operations and we um I'll take us through the main presentation part and then Tim and I will will um tag team answering any questions that you might have so I um go ahead Tim I think what we'll do in the in the um we we have a rather lengthy presentation but we're going to cut it down so appreciate um you putting us up up front um okay so we have a a a bond referendum coming up on November 5th I've got um got a few handouts here maybe Tim you could hand those out got 10 copies I can get more if anybody wants them from the in the audience here I've got more in my vehicle well there are several driving factors and um if they need them out there and I think we we can talk briefly about those but we have we have two videos at total about seven minutes so I think we will want to take the time watch those I think it's a great way a very succinct way to uh learn about the plan um both the what of the plan the highlights of the or the main components of it and then some of the thinking behind it and so I I think I think maybe that's what we'll do if that if we have I'm assuming we have sound is that a safe assumption we'll find out shortly we'll find out huh thank you there's no audio through that okay all right um well let's see how we do with can I can we try the mic from the computer if that doesn't work we will go to plan B the sound typically is for the television audience okay yeah we don't have we don't have broadcast okay okay I got you it's good you got it in your hand for them all right so then uh so I think what you're telling me is this is not going to work we've got a really good thing going in White Bear Lake area so good that families are choosing to build their homes and their Futures in our communities the district has seen 7% growth since 2010 and expects 2,000 more new students will enroll during the next 10 years let's face it that's 25% higher than our current capacity on November 5th voters will be asked to approve a bond referend all right to fund a comprehensive facilities plan this plan is the result of a nearly year-long process involving a committee made up of 90 parents staff and community members if the bond referendum is approved every building in the district would be updated in some way creating a domino effect of solutions here's a bird's eye view of the plan districtwide additions and Renovations would accommodate projected enrollment growth safe secure and healthy learning environments for all students increased opportunities for students through a single Unified 9 through 12 High School experience and flexibly designed learning spaces to support student centered instruction it's important to note the average age of our district buildings is 50 years old tack on another five decades for the oldest building if approved there are building specific changes that will happen in order to meet student enrollment and academic needs a new elementary school would be built in Hugo Onika Elementary would become a k through 5 school and Hugo Elementary would become a northern Early Childhood Center the facilities plan also includes bringing all high school students together in a renovated North Campus which means better access to more comprehensive course offerings including College and Career Pathways options fewer transitions for students during critical adolescent developmental stages and maintaining consistent longer-lasting staff and student relationships the high school expansion allows for Sunrise Park Middle School to relocate to South Campus the current Sunrise Park Middle School site would house various multi-generational Community programs including the senior center and early childhood programming the transition education center and the district office this makes room for Central Middle School to expand and take over the current District Center building this comprehensive plan impacts all of our buildings and students if the $326 million Bond referendum is approved in November the average homeowner would see a tax impact of about $23 per month the future is bright families continue to choose our school district because of the way we support and engage all Learners after a tremendous amount of discussion and planning over the past year the team came up with a plan that would accommodate our projected enrollment growth it provides more programs and opportunities for all residents aligns with the district's strategic plan and is financially sustainable please learn all you can about the bond referendum and remember to vote on November 5th all right I'm not sure exactly what was going on there that was weird that was yeah kind of a life of its own here um all right so I think we'll probably forego the second video although that was interesting to see where it was going to end up on the screen um so that that uh that video is the what and I know was a little distracting perhaps but I I I won't necessarily go through each each of the items here on the uh what ultimately was recommended by the committee so just to recap we had a community group that came together over a um and Tim actually I think we have slides on that maybe we want to move um Advance No actually that's before this U we had a committee come together uh 90 people or so came up with a plan presented it to the school board last spring and then the board um um deliberated over that for a couple of months and then ultimately called for the election of a bond referendum and so that's how we got to where we are today um couple of just want to make note of a couple of things Tim if You' advance that it's important that the video talked about all all of our buildings being impacted and and and they are they would be impacted and one of the handouts you have um go ahead if you can advance Tim even if it's a little wonky you have a handout of this particular slide on one of those that gives you uh an idea of the comprehensive nature of the plan so each building with uh the main parts uh and how they would be impacted are highlighted on on that the um the biggest part of the plan is the high school so taking our n9th and 10th Grade Campus uh North Campus and our 11th and 12th grade campus and and actually stepping back and rethinking that concept and and actually building a new High School uh on the north campus site while utilizing the existing square footage that we have on that site um right and the the tax impact was mentioned $23 a month on the average home we have uh a little bit more context with that as well on one of your handouts Tim if you would Advance if you can um it's the um it's that graphic right here let me let me let me explain this graphic so this is the old school we're going old school oh that might be better okay this one so the graphic at the top of this handout this is our voter approved school debt tax levy um payable 2019 on a on a home with a value of $250,000 our current voter approved debt is listed over on the left that's $24 a year so if the bond referendum is approved we would be at that 275 figure um to this one yeah that so we'd mve to that 275 and you can see that that is still below the average of our of neighboring school districts and those neighboring school districts include North St Paul Maplewood Oakdale Stillwater mountains view Forest Lake Roseville mamei Centennial and South Washington County so um again that gives you a little more context as to what that what the tax impact would be on a bond issue of of 326 million um okay why don't we look at the bottom of that we we've put together some examples of um the homestead U homestead tax credit and maybe go out just a little bit so the exam there are two examples one was a $200,000 home and another is a $275,000 home again that's about the average in the district household income is listed there um different levels again these are just examples that were provided so uh a house if a household income of $100,000 in a home of 275,000 um that household would qualify for a a through the homestead uh tax credit we get a refund of $168 a year and so the net tax impact would would be less than $10 a month on with the bond issue for for many of our families actually would qualify for this and this is an annual thing so we they'd be able to apply year after year all right um so we won't do the why video um but I think um maybe that that probably does it for what we wanted to just share with you and then if you want to uh take a few minutes and ask us some questions we'd be happy to answer anything you'd like to ask us at this point I Tim if you want to join me here and I guess I'll throw out the question first um and I know that you've got a lot of backup information here that I haven't quite yet got through but you showed the the map the schools that are going to be impacted and um obviously many many years ago Mariner was created as a high school in the South has there been any thought of creating a high school up in the north yeah sure do you want to talk about that a little bit a little bit of the history sure uh if you go back to 1974 when we opened Mariner High School the district was faced with the same kind of enrollment situation we're at right now they were forecasting really significant increase in enrollment and the district at that time decided to build a second High School they built Mariner that you just referenced um as the enrollment the enrollment increased and then they went through a period of up and down enrollment and so there was a time at which in the early 1980s when Mariner and whitee Lake High School had smaller enrollments and at that point the district could no longer continue to offer two high schools and offer the kind of programming that community members expected for their high school so they went to one high school um one high scho School a split campus it continued to offer a lot of programming but it created a split campus environment one of only a handful of communities in the entire nation that has had a split Campus High School um and that's we worked hard to make that split campus work but uh it really created environment where students uh in nth and tth grade didn't really feel like they were in high school it's hard when when nth and 10th graders think high school begins in 11th grade you can't do high school in two years it takes four years of commitment we we did look at at the cons we considered a second High School in Hugo as you asked and as we looked at that well there were a few issues one there's not a there's not an open piece of land in Hugo that would really work for that Hugo is pretty Limited in the space that they have available but also the cost of doing so was significantly higher than our current plan we had a lot of uh problems in the district to solve with this Bond referendum and building a new high school or a new Middle School would have would have been a you know a price difference that would have been significant I just like to follow up on on Scott's question I I hate to tip my age but I graduated in 72 from White Bear and at the time I still remember the talk was this was a great idea to split the campuses because 15 year olds shouldn't be paying around 18y olds and that's I remember that distinctly that boy now we have a 15 16 year old high school and a 17 and 18y old high school and everybody thought that was a great idea and now like you've just wored back to the the original plan again it seems like we've come full circle here but yeah well we did a lot of research in that time period and what we found when we talked to board members who are around then um parents of kids and students themselves that uh there was a lot of split opinion on that really the school board didn't feel like this was the best um like having a 910 11 12 split was really the a great uh option for the school for the school district it was maybe the only option what they couldn't live with was having lack of opportunity for students and so they went with the split how does uh there's a reason that communities Across the Nation haven't embraced a split campus um having a transition right in the middle of a high school is is difficult for a lot of kids our ninth and 10th graders would really benefit from having Juniors and seniors as Role Models so um I was our high school principal at South Campus for 12 years and I got to see how Juniors and seniors carry themselves and some of our seniors are really inspiring people to nth and 10th graders and a in a school that lacks that opportunity for nth and 10th graders to be inspired and to have seniors serve as role model is missing something significant so we were harded in our nth and 10th grade building to convince them that high school starts in n9th and 10th grade but there's an extra challenge in doing that in our community so explain to to the uh television audience and US District 624 um had lot of the growth was to the South but all the new growth Hugo area is to the north for them to split off what would that take yeah so the growth that we're experiencing that there's new housing growth um but then we're also seeing turnover of homes in the southern part of the district so the growth is all project projections on what our resident uh increase will be uh um so your question about splitting off I I it would require legislative action okay it would require like if it you know somebody has asked a question before well couldn't they just join another school district well they I'm not sure I'm not sure so in under that scenario both the White Bear Lake School District and any other school district would have to agree on that and there would have to be legislative action we're we're a school district of um about 67,000 residents we we're made up of 10 different communities so there's significant growth happening in Lio Lakes as well so if we were to go with the mentality of well if there's housing growth in a certain part of our district then they should just become their own School District we haven't we we haven't thought that that would be a good way to approach our school district residents we have an obligation to provide an education for our residents and we have an obligation to provide facilities for our residents so I I think some of the fear in a lot of residents is that that exactly what may happen is that the they don't see the the renovation of the south end of our district they see the growth to the North End of the district and the high cost to do all the renovations and then have that big growth area saying well we want to be part of Forest Lake we want to be part of some other schol or our own that couldn't happen but the legislative piece is what the key there is and agreements yeah and the I don't know of any legislator that would do do it unless a school board ask them and I I in my previous District we actually worked with a neighboring district and we actually changed boundaries but we both wanted to do it and it made sense for both of us um we called it a land swap it's probably not an exactly accurate term but there there were just um you know the district I was in we wanted a a section of land that would be be developed in 20 years and they wanted a section of land that was um actually in the in the a neighboring City that where people could see the school out their window and it was in a you know it was a it was a very School District boundaries are a little crazy we have Island Parcels for example you probably know about that we have paral that are surrounded by the Centennial School District and we have white Bears um but anyway there there would be no from the Schoolboard standpoint there would be no interest in in going down that road and um we feel like we have an obligation to provide facilities for all of these residents all of our residents so but there is a significant investment and not not just in the North in the school facilities like the the key part of the plan is the high school investment and bringing that together and certainly all of our all of our students will benefit from that but but I've been hearing from residents and and I know everybody wants our kids to be educated Whitebear Township is about full I think maybe we may see an increase of if if uh even at the best I think I've seen 200 people in the next 10 years 15 years so the grow growth isn't coming from our area so a lot of residents going we're paying for a school where somebody's actually like Steve said that area is just blooming out and now you've got so many residents going in there so they do feel a little bit slated on that aspect but I'm more concerned this is a 20-year Bond 24 24 M and is is this 326 is a lot of money is that sustainable are you going to be in 15 years going um come on back we need some more yeah well we don't we we think this would set us up for the next several decades if if there were something in the next 10 or 15 years it'd be something we're not anticipating right now this is based on the growth estimates are based on uh 75% of our agricultural land being built out so that's what those estimates are based on so there isn't much there is there wouldn't be much more growth beyond that um down the road so we would essentially with this plan we would be situated pretty well for probably several decades and the the length of time the 20 year 24 year that's typical for Bond issues for a school district that's not an unusual number of years is the thought right now just to keep the football stadium where it is because that would be a disconnect from your new centralized High SCH so the stadium would stay although we would have athletic facilities at the new High School site we would have a you know we'd have a track we'd have U all WEA field there certainly probably enough seating to host like uh lacrosse and soccer matches and track meets at the new site but um you know the large four or 5,000 um spectator events would stay at South Campus again that's not an unusual model um high schools have stadiums not necessarily right on their campus um in the metro area that's that's not that unusual so well I've been at a number of these presentations but um uh oh I forgot where it's going uh oh is there was some talk originally of purchasing homes for the north campus expansion is that still on the table yep so we can carry out this plan without acquiring any additional properties and I know initially there was the the sphere that the district was going to use eminent till Main and that was never that was never our intent that was never part of the of our discussion we certainly are interested in acquiring homes if if people are willing to sell them and if it makes sense for um for the site development but um but we can carry out this plan without acquiring any properties how about yeah actually yeah a couple weeks ago our school board adopted a resolution stating that it would not use eminent domain hopefully putting that that notion to rest um how about the existing infrastructure the roads specifically the roads getting to the high school they go through some neighborhoods they're pretty they're not that big yep so we're studying that and we um we don't have a solution to that yet but we're confident there will be a solution there would likely be multiple access points there would be improvements made so um you know one of the one of the things that has changed with schools is um absorbing some of the traffic on the street onto the actual property to to alleviate some of the traffic congestion is a is a newer and better way of Designing um traffic patterns around schools and that just that just wasn't done before so that's something that we would work towards um but again we we've been working with uh city of White Bear Lake mindat Ramsey County we've been having conversations there um and we're we're confident there's a solution to get in and out of there so you actually doing traffic counts yep because you know if you as you know we've had a lot of discussion about bald eal oneway and all that would impact traffic coming on that North Campus so yep all those things would have to be taken into account but isn't that something that maybe should be out there and and discussed and shown before the vote will you have it by then uh no we're we're I mean you when you have a bond referendum you you don't have the proceeds to begin designing and and paying Architects and Engineers to do all that work until you have the the proceeds from a bond referendum so so that's what we would be doing we would be the the design of a high school that size would take about a year so there'd be a lengthy process for all those discussions to occur the only problem is somebody who was voting for this and then realizes especially Township residents who are directly north of the north campus they see a a huge impact in their traffic that they're not aware of and they're not going to be aware of it till after it passes so I I like I guess we we like to keep our residents informed of what's what's the the possibility of traffic changes in their areas so but like I said it's hard to justify if you can't if you got to build it first then they'll come attitude then people don't know what that uh what do they call it unintended consequences end up being yeah I don't think that's our attitude I think our attitude is that um if we if we were able to move ahead with this that we would have an inclusive process it would be very very much people would have an opportunity to be involved and learn about it along the way okay Steve you got anything else no I I think we pointed out the tra the traffic concerns are really an issue because if if you think of the history around Bald Eagle Lake it was vacation property with very narrow roadways and they're already upset in a lot of ways about bus traffic as it exists today and it's only going to get heavier and those are the issues that really that get their residents riled up well one thing I one thing we can add is that the bus garage would be moved off of that site so that figured that would happen yeah so there'd be there'd actually be probably much less bus bus traffic in the area so and then we as we pointed out the the trail considerations are going through on wal eagal Avenue at least that's one of the later routes and that have taken into consideration too because that would be an access point to a new campus I assume y yep and we've had conversations with are you talking about the Bruce vental Trail we've had conversations with them too and yep about incorporating it into the design yep and that new elementary school is that the property that was purchased up office 61 North of Hugo is that North of the north of the post office on the west side of Highway 61 yeah it's a big Wetland there's like 95 Acres of wetland and about 35 Acres of buildable land so it's a it'll be a nice site so where was the other property up there that you've given or let north of Wagner the north of the greenhouse north of the greenhouse okay all right thank you yep Scott anything all right thank you genten thank you very much apprciate it y thank you okay moving on we have item number six old business uh water meter replacement project update who's doing that Dale yeah yes pretty happy about it Dale uh so I reported uh the last exec meeting that the installation was approximately 45% I can report now it's like 53 or maybe a little bit more as of today haven't had the weekend results but but uh the I think I think we need to put some notice to the uh contractor or to the corn main on the deficiencies of meeting the contract deadline date and that is in the contract is October 15th um so we're looking to Chad has drafted a letter to this point to that degree addressing some of the deficiencies in the install and some other concerns we have that will be addressed in that letter so um we are recommending that town board if to get a chance once we get the letter to draft that or that we can go ahead and send that letter once it's been read by staff this this concern with the deadline is driven by the vendor action or inaction and not residents signing up or not signing up well that's all related in the that's referenc in that well I'm sorry so there's this is that's a separate to sign up is that's another part of separ from what you're talking about yes this is the letter that will go to the U corn me or the local rep for census um to notify them of our concerns do it deal with both their inability to sign people up syst that to be deficient as well as how they're fast they're moving to begin with and other issues involving the installations El which have been a bit defective great address it sooner rather than later yeah the letter is done good any any question Steve no got is this just informational then you don't need formal action all right okay moving on then uh part two though for lyette un billing there is a related one to the res notified for residence because the bills are going to be going out here like soon today tomorrow not today obviously but within the next few days and she would like to add some wi if the board's okay with the blue highlighted item on that page with the bill the sample bill um to schedule your appointment today at the number provided by m& for the scheduling Whitebear townships water meter upgrade project will be completed in October 2019 failure to schedule your appointment will result in a non-compliance fee of $300 which will be added to your utility bill each quarter until the meter is upgraded and I believe we discussed this at exec board meeting that we needed some wording to put some teeth into this and this is going to be specific to those households that have not yet signed up so if somebody signed up they're not going to get that I think it's going to be in all on all the bills I believe that's my understanding now if you've already had your meter replac it you know probably W take hard to it but I don't know that uh I'm not sure if billing can read that I don't think we can split it out that way I'm just wondering if you're going to get additional calls from people saying hey I already had a replace what's this doing y we might all right all right do you need formal action for this addition to the bill okay this is already to this is going out you say yes this with the bills what the bills I was waiting for say to to cut down the calls would have been that if you already had it done dis guard this notice but that's fine if it's too late to change it I'm I think we'll take the calls if we if emphasis is put upon the urgency I guess that's the big question is are are you comfortable feeling additional calls that you wouldn't want okay y we're going to have to be I you know all right okay all right moving on item number 7A we have a public hearing for uh Christopher and Stephany Ward at 5448 Hennessy Vista this is a public hearing so I need a motion to wave the reading noting it's been properly published so moved second all in favor say I I I all opposed then I need a motion to open the public hearing so moved second all in favor say I I I all right Tom you taking this yep okay this property located at the corner of Otter Lake Road in Hennessee Vista corner lot right here with existing single family home uh some other improvements to the property and this is the guy in question right here this 10 10 x 12 shed it was constructed with a building permit and as a result the code enforcement officer uh sent a letter uh apparently there was a mixup on who was to pull the permit uh but the shed itself is a little bit too close to the public rideway it's only located 13 ft uh from The Otter Lake Road rideway structures are required to have a 35 ft setb from a public RightWay so this is an after Thea variance re quest of 22 ft again to allow the shed in the location it is right here um some the variances reviewed by a variance board also the Planning Commission so the variance board started the review took a look at the site uh visited the property identified fairly large area back here where a shed could be constructed to meet setback requirements only problem is this is a major drainageway and often times there is standing water back here especially in the spring as a result the variance board and Planning Commission both felt that was a hardship felt the location right here which is behind a fence a 6ot board on board fence uh is a fitting spot for that felt it met the standards for approving a variance and both the variance board and Planning Commission recommended approval of the 22t r ofo setback variance as the applicant requested now what's size of that shed 10 x 12 and it's still technically portable for some reason it it is movable it's not on a concrete slab it's so if there wasn't an easement issue that they had to get in there can be moved I know this property's had a lot of work done to it I mean it's a nice looking piece of property uh what's the height on it I know because you can see it above the fence obviously but oh is it 8 ft yes top the top of the square is 8ot and the peak of The Roof Is Right were you at the H commission they did I was on this one um and they were very comfortable with that because of the drainage issues towards the back of the property uh and based on what the variance board had said before they were comfortable that that's the best possible place for it and it was portable however um I I'll only say this comment haven't we uh in the past where we've got an maybe an easement issue that we put it in writing that they understand that that's you know that it's subject to if it needs to be needs to be moved that you fully understand that it's got to be moved yeah and that would involve building over an easement very rare but we've done that but this is actually outside the easement we have 10 foot drainage and utility easements around the property lines and again this is 13 ft off 13 right Tom there was mentioned of um I think it was Mike Johnson that mentioned he'd like to see maybe uh amending our right throning ordinance because of the the six foot high fences along the rways we allowed that so we he wanted us maybe to review how we set up our uh our ordinances for sheds is that something that would go back to the Planning Commission to review we have to come up with some wording options and review that at uh one of the next Planning Commission meetings all right scottt got anything all right at this time then I'll open this up for public comment do I have a motion so moved second all in favor say I I I all opposed so I know the applicants here if You' like to come up and say anything or if you're good or or if there's any residents that want to speak of it going once going twice okay hearing none I'll look for a motion to close public portion some moved second all in favor say I I all right that motion carries all right any other uh questions to Tom comments all right I guess I would be looking for a motion I'll make a motion based on the variance board Planning Commission staff review and recommendations move to approve the request for a 22 foot RightWay setback variance to allow a 10t by 12T shed after the fact at 1548 Hennessy Vista I'll second that motions made in second all in favor say I hi I I'll po osed that motion carries you're all done okay moving on item 7 B this is also a public hearing for the SMC Corp uh again this is a public hearing so I need a motion to wave the reading so moved a second second that all favor say I I opposed then I need a motion to open the public hearing so moved second all in favor say I I opposed all right Tom okay uh previously reviewed by the town board on September 16th continued action on this proposal until tonight's meeting uh SMC has two properties on North Centerville Road right here I35 over here their original building second building constructed not that long ago and they're looking at developing this part of their site back here between the buildings and I35 e specifically they're proposing to construct a uh new Warehouse manufacturing office building in this location right here it's 121,700 128 Square ft in area that's the request for the permitted use standards permit tonight in addition they're doing some master planning of the site plans for a future office building in this area right here and also plans to add to the second building in this area right here but tonight we're looking at this and other site improvements uh grading of the whole site uh several requests being reviewed uh by the town tonight A minor subdivision is the first item under request currently this area of the property is considered an outlot utilizing this right of way or not right away but private property would be the access to the lot they're proposing to change the description of that lot from out lot a to lot one uh block uh one second edition of SMC so that involves a minor subdivision just to change the classification the second part of the uh request is a wetland permit a they are planning to fill shaded areas here of wetland in the amount of 63,000 uh 228 Square ft when you do that in the state of Minnesota in the metro area you are required to compensate for filling of wetland by creating Wetland basically at a 2 to1 ratio so they're looking at adding new Wetland on site the amount of 11 15,220 ft feet back in here this is all Highland now that would be converted to wetland in addition they're proposing to add some Upland buffers in this area and in this area over here those would be designated open space areas that would never be developed they would remain open space Also they're proposing to buy some Wetland credits from a wetland credit bank a wetland that's been created somewhere else in the town or in the Watershed District uh as a form of credit for someone like this who can't meet that requirement of 2:1 replacement on site they will have to buy credits uh offsite somewhere so uh that's what they're proposing to do those three steps uh to make up for that Wetland fill um the issue that came up at the previous meeting was this portion of the newly created Wetland which includes some exist existing Wetland is set basically right up to this retaining wall and this access road now the town's uh uh flood plane ordinance does require setback buffers between a wetland and a structure and in this case it should be a minimum of 20 ft and that buffer increases based on higher slope in this case they're not providing any setback so no 20ft buffer the reason for that is they would like to create as much Wetland on site as possible if that buffer would to be applied they'd have to find another 10 to 20,000 Square ft of wetland to create can't be done on site it would have to be done offsite and probably outside of the town so this was reviewed by the uh Planning Commission discussed and their recommendation was it makes more sense to actually put the Wetland on site versus the Wetland buffer so that was the issue that was outstanding at the last meeting so we do this did go back to the Planning Commission for their recommendation and review of that and they did recommend approval of the Wetland permit as proposed without that uh buffer and finally uh the town requires approval of a permitted use standards permit that's for a use that's permitted on site obviously industrial uh buildings in this light industrial zoning District are permitted so they requested and again have been recommended for approval by the uh variants or I'm sorry the Planning Commission for approval of a permitted use standards permit um building has been designed to complement the existing buildings on site SMC themselves will be using a portion of the building for warehousing purposes the back half of the building or the side that's closest to or the end that's closest to 35e is to be uh leased by parade Corporation outfit that's in Lineo lakes that is losing their lace and they're shifting their operation down to this building right here um at the previous meeting also budding neighbor to the South this is property that's utilized residentially it's zoned industrial long term will most likely develop industrial but they were concerned about some of the Contours and retaining wall in this portion of the site right here the uh applicants Engineers have cleaned this up a little bit uh fixed a mistake with the retaining wall and are keeping all of the storm water on site versus overflowing uh obviously if there's a major major storm event Way Beyond a 100-year event drainage is going to go offsite but it's it's going to be pretty wet onsite too so I've been working with the abing property owners to that effect to make sure that's all understandable and and makes sense um I think we're fine with that um so Planning Commission has reviewed recommended approval of the minor subdivision as proposed the Wetland permit as proposed and also a permitted use standards permit and then specifically relative to that buffer setback area the uh variance board and Planning Commission is recommended approval of a variance and that's from section 5- 2.10 of ordinance number 87 which is the flood plane ordinance all right Scott I don't have any questions anything Steve no so so Tom uh the the permitted use standards there's 15 of them on page 93 and 94 they've all been uh put this way there's no there's no disagreement with all these yeah there are quite a few outside agencies besides the town that reviews this um army Corp of Engineers uh mot next to a freeway Ramsey County on their County Road so those fire inspector uh those agencies have all reviewed those and made the recommendations uh there's a couple of outstanding issues they would say need to address this so what we do is uh when the board reviews and if you're to approve a project it would be subject to conditions which are outlined in a zoning certificate so we prepared the zoning certificate for you in anticipation of adoption tonight and that would list a number of conditions of approval do you have that list should be in your packet I hope what page I mean is it is it part of this 15 on 93 and 94 I believe so I no Our Town engineer is not here tonight but yes that's the proposed zoning certificate on 90 starting on page 92 in some cases there's some Minor Details that need to be worked out so we'll put a a catchall phrase like all requirements the town engineer all right so I want to be clear so all these are outstanding conditions uh some of them have been addressed they were outstanding at the time we approved this permit uh for instance under number 25 the town engineer engineered retaining wall plans are required that's that's a building code issue for anything over 4 feet you need engineered plans for a retaining wall those haven't been received yet those will be created at the time building permit is put together and that will be satisfied at that time is that kind of what you're asking there does that make sense and obviously Jim's not here but he's comfortable with the plans now with the SMC yes okay alth I don't think there was necessarily a sign off from his concerns was there we didn't get anything no I didn't see any memal for it so nothing recently okay all right any other questions to Tom hearing none I would uh look for a motion to open up for public comment I'll move to open it up for public comment second that all in favor say I I all opposed all right uh neighbors you want to speak to this Mr cinar yes I'm Ray caler 5776 Center Road South property and I just uh want to say that we've the plant if you slide that over just a little more the the main concern was the southwest corner there that southwest corner there and SMC raised the curb by half a foot and I I want to get will bring that to your attention and they also beveled the parking lot so that it'll drive the water more to the Northwest which is a good plan and that's different from what you had last time and uh I just want to make sure that we get it in the minutes that Mark had Mark uh R Beck has assured us that this plan uh will uh not top over that curb water will not top over that curb unless it's a 8.1 Cub U Ines of rain in a 24-hour period and uh that's pretty good and uh but I want that recorded in the minutes so they've done a good job of redesigning it to protect us I think we're all going to be flooded if we get that yeah that's what I that's what I told Mark on the phone I said well we're going to all have a lot of water then and uh um but the curb now will be at 93.9 rather than 93 0.4 that's a big change that really made the difference and uh and I just uh to want to make sure that we're no longer that it's in the minutes that we're no longer design at as the emergency overflow from the SMC property and I think Tom agreed with that um and then I just want it just seems to me the thousands of square feet of hard surface there I'm just concerned that that the 15in outlet seems small that's the outlet that goes out to Centerville Road all of this hard surface has to go through that 15in Culvert and they assure me that that is but I want that recorded in the minutes that they've assured me that that's adequate well that's why all these engineers get p y so with that um that that solves all of our questions and concerns and I just want to add SMC is a good neighbor he's probably the best neighbor you could probably have well so we're happy to work with him in a project de size we always want to make sure the neighbors are completely comfortable with everything so good thank you all right thanks right yep right I know we have a ref from SMC can you want to say anything sure um first of all thanks thanks for Tom's work please introduce yourself and uh Kent Bruner I'm the Chief Financial Officer for specialty manufacturing um I made a comment to Ray because Ray said sometimes these things take a while I started this thing uh October 18th 2018 um you're my last step um and Tom's right Volo and and the Army Corps are are a lot tougher than this but uh these are good problems for us to have uh we're growing a lot of companies aren't uh we needed the space for the additions on the two other buildings in the third building we made the decision to get through all this Wetland stuff now uh we might not build any of those for a long time we needed to keep the addition to the building to the to the West because of the fact that that's a machine shop and we just can't add machines to another building that we have Plastics and stuff in but uh I want to thank everybody for that this will still be a big project for us um but it's a good project to have and it's good problem for us to have well this may be a good time to shout out for help wanted too uh we're always looking for people because you'll see this signs for help wanted but that's been pretty good for us so well I I know from from day one you've always had a class operation there things looked always tidy very neat so um Dan who's not here and Scott Scott met him today at a at a previous meeting their last names are real similar but uh he's very picky some of our employees don't like the fact that he's real picky about the way the grounds when your name's on the door you get a little picky exactly right st's on the door so it goes that round any any questions you guys have for before you walk away U he made Mr SAR made some statements that you have agreed to was there anything that he said that you didn't as far as you know is not in agreement uh nope uh we've been working with Ray we don't want water pushing down on his that anything that would be added to what's you know normally there we work with Mark Mark work with Ray to to get our Contours a little bit um and the engineers assure me that until we get over 8 Ines in a 24hour period wow nothing's coming over the curb and so but Ray and Karen walk the site all the time so I know they're going to be walking it when we're building it so if we run into any issues should be okay anything Scot no all right thanks K thanks all right any other comments questions all right uh looking for a motion to close the public portion so move second all favor say I I I all right any other questions or Tom or comments I guess Tom you want this in what three different motions uh actually Four adding the uh variance from uh the uh flood plane ordinance sorry would be the fourth step so how do you do you want that to read add flood plane add a variance from section 5- 2.10 of ordinance number 87 5.2 10 got it no just what let's start with the easy one then let's go the first one all right you can make me do this here so is this a wetland thing still I still my so my question Tom so there's going to be a continuance on the Wetland what happens with Wetland permits in the town done yeah wetlands are zoned conservation Wetland it's an overlay District that overlays the industrial Zone in this case so what'll happen is Wetlands will be filled taking them out of a wetland classification new Wetlands created putting a conservation overlay over those so what happens is the construction takes place over a period of months and maybe in a year the wetlands establish themselves and the town accepts those on a second step of the zoning uh amendment process so once the wetlands have established themselves uh based on the approved plan uh the Zone will change so the second step of this this continuation for six months could change again if it could yeah if the wetlands have not established themselves yet they're not considered Wetlands yet we continue that in other 3 four 6 months whatever it takes until they become Wetland and we can res we review that again yep okay all right based on the Planning Commission and staff review and recommendation I move to approve the Wetland permit to allow filling and mitigation and in accordance with ordinance number 35 section 9- 9.3 subdivision A2 continue the public hearing oops 6 months to Monday April 16th 20 20 at 7:00 p.m. at Heritage Hall noting that the wetlands may not be established so a continuation may be necessary I'll second that motion made in second all in favor say I I I I that motion carries all right um second approve the minor subdivision I move to approve I'll second that all fa i i i opposed that motion carries okay I'll move to approve the permitted standards permit with the uh attached requirements as submitted second that motions made in second and all in favor say I I I I opposed and that motion carried and here's where it gets fuzzy gave me too many things to add for the fourth one you're looking for a state it again and I'll a looking for approval of a variance from section 5- 2.1 of ordinance number 87 all right I'll make that motion all right there it is I'll second that all right motions made in second all in favor say I I I opposed all right you're on your way thank you okay moving on under new business uh we've already gone through the school board presentation yep uh do I I need a motion to table 8B the municipal Services agreement so moved pretty author that's right all in favor say I all opposed that motion carries it item 8 C we have a uh offseason Dock and lift storage Tom are you doing that I am yes this was discussion at the Planning Commission meeting this last week uh Mr mun was in attendance there he suggested staff's recommendation put this on the agenda for tonight for some Town board direction as the docks and Boat Lift are coming in uh it's been noticed by a couple of planning Commissioners that some of the storage is not necessarily sightly um little haphazard and the Planning Commission had discussed just briefly should we consider ordinance amendments that would uh basically regulate how people store their docks and bolt lifts during the off seon uh some of the planning Commissioners felt we should do something some said no we don't want to touch that so uh the uh recommendation was to you know ask the town board what your opinion is as far as uh uh potentially modifying ordinances to do some regulation on storage I had thought we had talked about this last year that we had put some sort of stipulation on the height they could be stacked or I remember dealing with this before I I I think it was went to the Planning Commission with lots of thoughts about that but I don't think we looked at for other communities I think we really did not get a lot uh and I think the general consensus was there's not much to base it on but it people have gotten a little halfhazard as far as how they put their property to bed for the winter and and I think that's why we headed in this direction a while we looked at an example from Spring Lake Park that uh you know regulates the stack how high it can be stacked no ler more than 4 feet and potentially how close it can be set back to the road and primarily the issues or concerns that have been raised are properties around ball Eagle are properties that have a home a road and then a Lakeshore property so people see somebody else's stuff across the lake versus if you store it in your backyard you're looking at your own stuff so well you got a comment in here about the DNR has rules already but you don't State what they are do you know what they are well the DNR has guidelines that they ask communities to adopt is my understanding but the dnr's jurisdiction ends at the water's edge so whatever's happening on the land is up to the top can we get a list of those guidelines so it might give us a starting points we're not Reinventing the wheel here I'm sure they have a list of yeah recommendations so we can get that I I I think the if you want to call it urgency is that it is the fall and time we get around to looking at all this stuff we will be in debt of winter and we're a gentle reminder might spur some people uh to make some changes it also could be just those that want to be good stewards and good citizens will feel that they're getting picked down where the other ones just ignore it and so but well Tom has the bald eagal Lake Association been involved in these discussions or no not to date well I think that's kind of an important step because I think we kind of need their input and support and that's the next step that actually the Planning Commission recommended to the town board to authorize staff to send a letter to the Bald Eagle Lake residents just kind of generically saying uh pay attention to how you stack your stuff I haven't worded it yet so uh you only got about another month that stuff's going to start coming off the ls well that was one of the big topics of conversation was how the the equipment was being stacked not so much the height but the location and the impact to people who are looking out across the lake they see all this storage of stuff instead and the thought was perhaps because time is kind of of the essence right now it's going to be stuck in place pretty soon for another 6 months but if a letter went out to all residents just as a gentle reminder of be a good neighbor be a good Steward put your toys away correctly and it will help remind those that that need the reminder but also let the neighbors know that the township is trying to make sure everybody keeps others in mind when they're storing their stuff for the winter well Tom when when do you think you have something drafted up m this week this week yeah I can work on it tomorrow sure uh is that something we would have to authorize or so based on Planning Commission recommendation yes we would well but but I'm getting we're not going to be able to do that for another two weeks so I guess time is the essence but again I I really think the the association has to get involved in this so we can even if we have a contact person and they can get their input and I guess I would like to see see what exactly the DNR has for guidelines this also seemed to be a good partway step because there was initially discussion around creating an ordinance specifically telling people what to do and as Tom mentioned that other communities were looked at but then there's that time issue again because we wouldn't have that in place by the time this winter comes around you'd have to have hearings which may be a little more interesting the ordinance is a little problematic because not all land around that lake is created equal there are some that are high Banks some that are very flat some that have very little front yards so I mean it's not something you can do quickly so this seemed to be a a step yeah all right I guess you got your marching orders down so you don't need any uh actual official I will work no action now so yeah I'll work on a letter for your review at two weeks or you could do at the special meeting on Friday we're going to call for no okay you said 10 minutes yeah you yeah you said 10 minutes okay all right any other questions to Tom okay moving on item 8D the MC service 2017 Municipal inii grant program who's taken that Dale I am I'm I'm not asking for money I'm going to try to apply for some money this there's a different spin on it this time but anyways uh the MCS Grant the 2017 Grant uh there's a little misunderstanding on whether we were eligible or not and that's been cleared up so we have we are I am in a process of gathering information and submitting the documentation and part of that submitt is going to be a resolution Tom board signs saying yes we are interested in applying for this Grant and also a certification that we own the property that we're applying for the grant but these improvements been done on so that's 1A the attachment 1A that's in there that's for Signature so really it's just uh and then we'll hopefully get some kind of notice from them here in another month or two and they'll say here's how much and there'll be another board action to sign that um form for Cal uh for the amount that they're going to give us for reimbursing more than 10 bucks that's more than $10 good okay tens of tens of thousands of dollars one that's even better it'll be more than what we get in LGA Oh by far all right Steve you got any questions well just for clarification Dale or anybody else mcees means what for those that I apologize do not know Metropolitan console Environmental Services I should have started out with that and then done the acronym yes okay no I I use it every day so it's a little I I realize that it it's no this is something we really need to take advantage of if there's grant money available we need to do our best to try and get a hold of it so I endorse it this again falls under the Metropol ccil thumb of we get these unfunded mandates that we have to try to find the money for so this is a a supplement that would help us now you got anything else no all right so you want this in two motions one to adopt the resolution I'll move based on Public Work Director and town Engineers engineering review and recommendation adopt resolution authorizing participation than the MC Services 2017 Municipal inii grant program a second I'll second that motions made in second all in favor say I I I I all opposed that motion carries then the second one is to authorize I'll move to authorize execution of the state of Minnesota General obligation Bond Finance certificate attachment 1A second that all in favor say I I I all opposed that motion carries uh okay we're moving on item N9 we have two here 9 a is the gelli property that was under a supplement correct yes yes yep ready yep okay scel property this is a property that some of you may be familiar with it was platted in 1997 this is Centerville Road right here again i35e railroad tracks can see the ball field at polar Lakes Park just across the freeway from this vacant site here microen plat was approved in 1997 included uh three buildable lots and a wetland lot Mike rovina was the name of the company that was proposing to put their world headquarters right here they purchased the property they went through planning got approval of plans uh P purchased the site graded the site and everything fell apart but they did sell the two remaining lots to vco Corporation who put buildings up there in the past uh 20 years but this site has remained vacant as I mentioned they when they purchased the property they graded it at that time also at that time several permits were re requested of the Town one of those included a wetland fill permit again we had that withc before at uh in 1997 they were permitted to fill 2.17 Acres of wetland on site but had to compensate again at a 2:1 slightly different formula back then they created 4.9 Acres of wetland on site in addition they provided some uh Upland buffers on the property specifically down in this corner of the site this nice little wooded area right here will remain as a buffer in uh forever theoretically uh so no development of that property but this is the developable developable portion of the site right here cuac accessing the site that goes out to Centerville Road protected Wetland here protected buffer property there um so scel comes along this year and they have purchased the property are looking at constructing 110,000 Square ft uh industrial office warehouse manufacturing building this will be a SPEC Building for future tenants uh access to the site would come from constellation drive again the culdesac that stops right there they are showing a plan that uh as proposed have parking on three sides of the building so this is the building again 110,000 Square ft² access right here parking on three sides entrances to the building here truck docking on the Westerly side right there um there is a town water main 16inch water main that runs through this property that was put in place uh boy I think it was back in the 1980s uh portion of that water M go as proposed would go under this retaining wall and part of the truck docking area uh not necessarily what we want to see is structures on top of water mains on top of easements uh potential for future repairs means all that stuff has to get out of the way and who's going to pay for that to avoid that was recommended that they relocate the water main which means just a simple shift abandon that part that they don't need shift it jog it around this area so that's what they're proposing to do as part of this proposal um okay so several requests involved with this one here first off would be a uh vac ation of part of the water main which is again under a drainage and utility easement um and to be reestablished in a new location abandonment of a drainage and utility easement does require a public hearing and town board approval that hearing was called tonight to be scheduled or scheduled for the first Monday in November to hold that hearing uh we're proceeding with the rest of the proposal tonight uh because technically you don't want to abandon that easement until the uh water man is long no longer active in effect there uh and reestablishing the easement over the new portion of the water M so it's nothing that has to be done prior to construction it can be done during the process so that's our plan is to review that next uh month but they are requesting approval of a permitted use standards permit and that's to allow the site improvements as you see here construction of the building Landscaping uh grading you know prepping the site for the new building so that requires approval of a permitted use standards permit uh like the SMC property ran into the uh the Wetland buffer section from ordinance number 87 get a better okay so in this case canel proposed a 20-ft buffer around the Wetland this area right in here shows a 20ft buffer between the Wetland line in fact it's a little bit more than 20 ft between the Wetland line and the first structure which is the truck dock parking area and retaining wall so they're exceeding that 20t setback requirement the issue with that one is the pit gets greater than 4:1 so therefore they are supposed to provide additional buffering uh because of that slope so they went and looked at the design and you know what the impact of that additional buffer would be so this is the wet these two wetlands are in question here with a buffer and with the additional buffer based on you can see the Contours here quite a bit of slope so what happens when you apply that uh section of the flood plane ordinance this becomes the setback line right here and right here where it impacts what they want to construct so with this one again the Planning Commission looked at this wondered if that section is really fitting it's not consistent with Volo the local water management organization that also uh has a permitting procedure uh reviews the wetlands um so in order to be consistent with their requirements the uh Planning Commission and variance board looked at that and again thought that that section 5- 2.10 should not apply in this case and a variance should be approved and in fact went on to say they're going to take another look at this section of the ordinance to see if it would be more appropriate to just uh modify the ordinance accordingly so we are consistent with uh nearby Watershed District requirements so you've got uh the vacation that we talked about the permitted use standards permit and that variance from section 5- 2.10 uh variance board Planning Commission both reviewed the permits and at the Planning Commission meeting last week uh recommended approval of all three of the requests as presented Tom did they have any uh elevations of buildings or anything yes and I uh I may want brought those tonight well I mean did the Planning Commission review uh you don't have the elevation shot do you okay did they review any lighting uh signage so signage was discussed and my recollection is that um it's not customer retail focused any signs would be more uh dried this way as opposed to saying hey come visit us it's not so is it down at the the startup constellation on like a monument sign um is how does truck traffic find it that was what the the kind of signs there would be it wouldn't be large uh retail focused signs but I guess I'll defer to the the Reps later on um well if you don't have them you don't have them Tom but sorry I didn't have them those were provided at the Planning Commission meeting but uh what about uh did was this looked at by white bear fire department White Bear fire inspector has looked at it provided a list that that seems like a long way to get to that building through constellation drive down the CTO saac yep is there any talk of access to Centerville Road because it looks like there's too much Wetland but uh no there was not access around the building is one of the things the fire department likes to see this has it uh in fact they provided a plan and it shows fire truck movements throughout the site making sure that their biggest piece of equipment can get around the site entirely so that was one of the requirements that the fire inspector had uh trucks can make it all the way around uh they need to be within 100 ft of a hydrant that they can plug into in a couple of locations uh there was a list of requirements that the applicants would be required to meet they've seen that list they're fine with it and again we've Incorporated the requirements of the fire inspector into the zoning the proposed zoning certificate that you're reviewing tonight uh along with those requirements uh Army Core uh PHL um i35e the railroad gets involved Ramsey County gets involved so these those agencies have all reviewed these uh this proposal and if either recommended approval have approved a per have approved a permit subject to conditions again we tried to outline in our zoning certificate so if you do approve this you would adopt the requirements of both the town and all the agencies outside but but again like we T talked before it seems like we're always getting these with all these outstanding issues that seems like this should be not brought to us until it's resolved at least some of these I mean I'm I get frustrated when we're we're asked to okay these pretty sizable projects and we've got a list of outstanding issues that oh okay when just they'll be fine yeah it's not they'll be fine it's just you're required to do that and we think these outstanding issues have been addressed we've included that information in your packet well I just got this tonight so you didn't have time to review so sorry about that I mean do we have the TKD yes in here is he okay with this project Jim had a couple of concerns um but was unavailable today uh to talk through those and uh what were those concerns specifically help me out anybody who might remember that for the one of the concerns there was two or access to maintain access it's on page 42 and 4 I'm sorry 3:1 not four: one well again like I said I it's I don't know about Steve or Scott but it's frustrating for me when we get these and it's I don't know to me it's half an application but well these folks have been as good as anyone if not better and a acting on any requests that we've had and put in front of them uh they've turned around these plans very quickly in fact I didn't even plan to present this tonight but the Planning Commission recommended approval the the minutes were completed so we kind of had a complete package when they asked if they could be on tonight's agenda there was really no reason to say no I is this a tip up building tip up type concrete tip up building um uh yep uh all the mechanical on the road rooftop mechanical to be screened you you've seen the landscape plan it all meets very nice they had to adjust some things so they would not have plant materials over the water main which we talked about so they quickly relocated or shifted the landscaping around exceeds Town's minimum requirements um got dock truck docks facing Center Bill Road so we asked him to beef up the Landscaping in that area there so yeah I think they've done a real good job of addressing our issues is there a user not specifically yet it's a SPEC Building so they're they they might be able to address that for you if you'd like that was one of the topics uh brought up at the Planning Commission meeting and I'll let them speak more to their experience this I believe is the first time in the township but they've got some other properties in the metro area so they've got some kind of history in creating these buildings and then leasing them out well do you have any other questions of Tom Steve no would the applicants like to come up introduce yourself and uh we usually have this big Spotlight that drops down and where are you on the night of it's really hot it's all used to it so I'm Zach's wler representing the development team it's Canal uh first and foremost can't share how much appreciate uh Tom and Dale's commitment to working on this project with us it's always we do a lot of projects like this across the country and it's it's pretty rare and it's always refreshing when we have staff that's really committed to solution oriented uh approach to things so to to Tom's comment we've sat down with with Township staff a number of times gone through workshops uh tried to collect as much comments as possible and address them uh so to Tom's comment we sat down the fire department brought up concerns about fire extinguishers we placed the island in the middle of the uh the dock area so that we can ensure there's a a dedicated spot for addition fire extinguishers we've beefed up the landscape plan to try and ensure there's as best as we can do screen the visibility from uh Centerville Road to try and avoid any sort of view shed of the truck Dock and anything that'd be less than desirable um so we've done we've done everything we can I I think baring any last minute comments that have come from uh Town engineer or others on the staff I I don't think there's a comment we've left un addressed we've done everything we can to to address any concern that exists and that's our intention going forward at a high level to hear the commentary that came out of SMC of how good of a neighbor they are that's exactly what we're goal our goal is when we enter a community uh so we want to have a year from now very similar comments coming about us of at scel they've got a class act they put together a really good product and they're great neighborhoods for us that's what we want to hear about us that's our our Mantra and mentality whenever we approach projects uh unfortunately and I apologize as as kicking myself as you all were talking about SMC that they didn't print out I brought five copies of just about every report we put together except our elevation of course uh so I apologize about that because we're very proud we're we're going for an above average aesthetic View and and and uh approach to this is interesting I just had a conversation with our Architects Pope architect firm out of St Paul this morning that they didn't go far enough in making this a pretty enough building that we want to keep pushing them further to to add more aesthetic value and windows and all sorts of things uh to address some other comments that that came up uh this is for us a very common approach to how we do developments a spec deal uh so we've got some of our more notable projects just here in the Twin Cities uh we've got 168 thank you I'm so glad you got that because we're proud of it I thought had all full size but I did have a reduced uh we we've got 1678 acres in Lakeville that we're developing right now similar deal speculative we just purchased the land started putting buildings up didn't have anyone that we had slated as a user when we started building construction uh that's been very successful uh We've located qa1 which is a big Automotive transmission and suspension company their new world headquarters uh Schneiderman's Furniture built one of their newest biggest distribution centers in the Twin Cities down there uh we've got tons more going on there unfortunately nothing that's that's uh assigned or or firm yet but that represents over 300,000 Square ft just in those two deals uh up in Brooklyn Park we've got 600 some odd Acres uh that we've placed countless companies we've got ppg's new world headquarters for uh floor products uh we've got over 300,000 square feet of completed product uh We've filled all of the buildings that we created up in shaky I believe that's uh 250,000 square feet if you go down uh Newport uh what's that County or is it Highway 62 as you go down to Hastings we've built those new buildings there on the the east side of the road the left as you're heading down to Hastings if you're familiar with that at all filled those all out similar approach where we just built the buildings we didn't have a user pegged out uh but for these very confident uh we think with all of the large business that exists today in Whitebear Township and and White Bear Lake and the neighbors uh like train we'll see a lot of users that want to come into to support those operations uh so we're very confident that as soon as we have a building to show off this is going to fill up very nice and very quickly with companies that are dying to support their existing business here and they just want to be closer and bring their jobs closer to the work they're doing well I mean I appreciate the way that obviously the loading docks are on the opposite side of the railroad tracks which is the other side of that is residential and whenever these things come up we have noise and lighting no matter what you can do a great job it's always noise and Lighting that's why I was kind of asking about users uh or what are they doing inside the building uh yeah if you're familiar with White Bear Township we've been under Fire for a few things and we want to make sure who's coming in and what they're doing inside their buildings absolutely unfortunately I mean like I said we're building this speculatively uh so we don't have any users necessarily designated sure our or like I said our our target audience here is very much supportive of the existing businesses so I would expect typically in a deal like this in the cities of this size we would typically expect to see 30 to 40,000 foot users I think here we're going to see a little bit smaller uh and because of that we're going to see a lot more office which is probably beneficial to the comments you're talking about so typically we'd expect to see five 5% office use I think here we're going to see an excess of 10% of the space is going to go to office I think we're going to see a lot more uh of kind of finished end stage assembly with maybe a little bit of distribution but I think it's going to be much lighter traffic than you might see in a similar facility elsewhere in the cities St any questions got all right thanks Z thank you all right uh no other questions of Tom uh let's see you want this in two motions Tom yes please approval of the permited use standards and approval of the variants correct who wants to take this I'll take it since I was at the meeting based on the variance board planning excuse me if there is still some issues that on the permitted use standards M that haven't been dealt with yet do you want to set a time frame in which those have to be dealt with part resolution what would be reasonable Tom I would say before the public hearing next month well they've got one so November yeah any issues we'll review all the issues that we've listed and make sure that those are complete and uh have a presentation at that night on the first Monday November that works it's November 4th that work for you sure so that's the permitted use standards all right so based on variance board Planning Commission and staff review and recommendation approve the permitted use standards permit and requirements subject to completion of outstanding requirements outstanding requirements by the time of the public hearing on Monday November 4th second on motion second all favor say I all opposed that motion carries and based on variance board Planning Commission and staff review and recommendation move to approve the variance from section 5-2 point10 of ordinance number 87 to allow a reduced buffer as the applicants plan is compliant with L and a buffer is being provided uh second for the motion second motions made in second all favor say I I I all right gentlemen thank you all right last item on the agenda 9B uh we talk need to talk about a special Town board meeting at 9:00 octo 9:00 a.m. October 11th y Mr chair that uh the 9:00 a.m. is just for you to consider um I'm open to hearing other times if it works for the board we would like to review um and consider bids on the Reconstruction project of our administrative offices that day our requirement is a 3-day posting so I would like to uh see if you guys are even amable to this if it's too short a notice for you I understand how uh how many bids are there don't know yet it's open tomorrow okay well well so far we have three all right will the applicants be there or the bid submitters you well usually 3/4s of them show okay y but we've actually had a lot of a lot of interest in this project when we had our uh initial meeting on it I think we had 12 or 13 different companies represented and we've had probably four or five since come in and evaluate the administrative offices too all right well I I can make it St I can be there that I got to double check a couple things well either way if we got two we're got two we're fine all right so I need a a motion to approve that special meeting I'll move to approve the uh special Town board meeting for Friday October 11th at 9:00 a.m. at the admin Township Administrative Office second I'll second that motions made in second all in favor say I I I opposed thanks gentlemen all right uh take care of added agenda items we have open time we have some students here maybe want to stand up and introduce yourself and no of course they don't your chance no decline smart don't don't mind that you're on TV either all right seeing none uh item 11 I need a motion to receive agenda materials and supplements so moved second all in favor say I I all opposed motion carries uh motion to adjourn I make that motion second second all fa say I I we're we're adjourned at 835