[ ♪ MUSIC PLAYING ♪ ] >> Mayor Guajardo: GOOD MORNING. I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. WELCOME TO CITY HALL AND TO OUR COUNCIL CHAMBERS. THIS MORNING OUR INVOCATION WILL BE LED BY PASTOR DAVID BENDETT WITH ROCK CITY CHURCH. >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL THAT YOU'RE DOING FOR OUR CITY. AND THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TO PRAY. LORD, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CORPUS CHRISTI, TEXAS. THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE. THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING IN OUR LIVES AND THE LIVES OF EACH OF THESE COUNCIL MEMBERS. AND LORD I JUST DECLARE PSALM 127:1 OVER ALL OF US. UNLESS YOU BUILD OUR HOMES AND OUR HOUSES, THE WORK OF THE BUILDERS IS WASTED. AND UNLESS YOU PROTECT OUR CITY, GUARDING IT FOR CENTURIES WILL NOT DO ANY GOOD. LORD, WE INVITE YOU TO BE THE GUARD OF OUR CITIES, OUR HEARTS, AND OUR HOMES. ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE SAID OR DONE NOT RIGHT IN YOUR EYES, I ASK THAT YOU HAVE MERCY, FORGIVENESS AND THAT, LORD, YOU WOULD CLEANSE US AND WATCH OVER US AND CARE FOR US AND PROTECT US, OUR FAMILIES, OUR CHILDREN, THE BUSINESSES, OUR FINANCES, AND EVERY DECISION THAT WE MAKE. THANK YOU, LORD FOR THIS CITY, THIS COUNTY, OUR GREAT STATE AND OUR NATION. AND I THANK YOU THAT YOU'VE ENTRUSTED EACH ONE OF US WITH GREAT POSITIONS OF LEADERSHIP AND AUTHORITY. AND I PRAY THAT WE WOULD LEAD ACCORDING TO YOUR DESIGN. I PRAY THAT YOU WOULD GIVE EACH OF US YOUR HEART, YOUR MIND, AND YOUR DESIRES FOR THIS COMMUNITY. I THANK YOU FOR UNITY AND I PRAY, GOD, THAT EVEN IN OUR DIFFERENCES WE WOULD ALL FIGHT FOR THE RIGHT PURPOSES TO BE YOURS. WE LOVE YOU AND WE THANK YOU. WE'RE SO GRATEFUL FOR YOU, LORD. WE WELCOME YOU IN EVERY AREA OF OUR LIVES AND IN THIS CITY AND IN OUR DECISIONS. IN JESUS' NAME, AMEN. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, PASTOR. OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE TEXAS STATE FLAG WILL BE LED BY SAARA BINDINGNAVELE. SHE IS A SENIOR AT W.B. RAY HIGH SCHOOL. SHE'S AN INTERNATIONAL CANDIDATE AND HAS BEEN ACCEPTED TO U.T. AUSTIN IN THE PLAN 2 HONORS PROGRAM, WHICH IS VERY PRESTIGIOUS. >> PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE] AND NOW FOR THE TEXAS PLEDGE. [HONORING THE TEXAS FLAG] >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, SAARA. GOOD LUCK IN YOUR STUDIES. STEPHANIE, WOULD YOU PLEASE CAL THE ROLL? [ROLL CALL] >> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, A QUORUM OF THE COUNCIL AND THE REQUIRED CHARTER OFFICERS ARE PRESENT TO CONDUCT THE MEETING. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, STEPHANIE. I WILL GO TO SECTION E AND THAT IS OUR CITY MANAGER'S COMMENTS AND UPDATE ON CITY OPERATIONS. WE HAVE ONE ITEM THERE. MR. ZANONI. >> Zanoni: GREAT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. GOOD MORNING, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. WE DO HAVE ONE ITEM ON THE CITY MANAGER REPORT AND IT'S TO HIGHLIGHT A CONFERENCE THAT WILL BE COMING HERE TO OUR CITY. IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT ONE BECAUSE IT'S ONE OF OUR TOPICS THAT WE'VE BEEN ADDRESSING OVER THE PAST SEVEN YEARS, AND THAT IS STREETS. I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF AN INTRODUCTION AND THEN ERNIE IS GOING TO COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND DELIVER A LITTLE BIT MORE. WE ALSO HAVE A REAL NICE VIDEO THAT SHOWS THE SUCCESS THAT ERNIE AND HIS TEAM HAVE ACCOMPLISHED AND CONTINUE TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THE RAPID PAVING PROGRAM. SO THIS IS A REAL NICE VIDEO THAT WILL SHOW AND THAT WILL BE ON OUR SITE AS WELL. SO IT'S THE 2026 TXAPA. IT STANDS FOR THE TEXAS ASPHALT PAVEMENT ASSOCIATION. AND THEY WILL BE HOSTING THEIR ANNUAL MATERIALS AND ASPHALT PAVEMENT SOLUTIONS CONFERENCE HERE AT THE HILLIARD CENTER NEXT MONTH, MARCH 25 AND 26. THE CONFERENCE IS A TWO-DAY PROGRAM FROM THE TEXAS ASPHALT PAVEMENT ASSOCIATION WHICH BRINGS PRACTICAL, REAL WORLD INSIGHT TO THE CHALLENGES ALL CITIES FACE IN MANAGING THEIR PAVEMENT NETWORK. WE'RE NOT ALONE IN THE COUNTRY. A LOT OF CITIES AND COUNTIES STRUGGLE WITH THE SAME THING OF FUNDING AND JUST MANAGING MILES AND MILES OF ROADS. SO EACH EVENT FEATURES FULL DAY OF EDUCATION AND NETWORKING. THERE'S A FOCUS ON PAVING, COMPACTION, AND INSPECTOR TRAINING AS WELL. THE PROGRAM IS BUILT FOR ENGINEERS AND DESIGNERS AND PUBLIC WORKS PROFESSIONALS WHO PLAN, SPECIFY, AND BUILD ASPHALT ACROSS TEXAS. THIS EVENT CONNECTS LOCAL AGENCY ENGINEERS AND CONSULTING PROFESSIONALS WITH EXPERTS AND PEERS WHO HAVE PROVEN STRATEGIES TO IMPROVE PAVEMENT PERFORMANCE AND EXTEND SERVICE LIFE, MAXIMIZING LIMITED RESOURCES, OUR FINANCES. AND SO WE EXPECT TO LEARN QUITE A BIT FROM THE PROFESSIONALS WHO WILL BE HERE. GENERALLY, WE ATTEND THESE AT SOME OTHER LOCATION BUT WE'RE HIGHLIGHTING IT TODAY BECAUSE WE'RE THE HOST CITY. WE'RE PROUD OF OUR CITY AND WE'RE PROUD OF OUR PUBLIC WORKS TEAMS ESPECIALLY. AND THEY WILL BE THE HIGHLIGHT OF THIS YEAR'S CONFERENCE. ERNIE IS GOING TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE OVERVIEW OF THE CONFERENCE. IT IS WITH YOUR LEADERSHIP THAT WE WERE ABLE TO SECURE THE CONFERENCE. ERNIE IS GOING TO ADD MORE AND WE'LL HAVE A VIDEO. >> ERNIE DE LA GARZA, INTERIM ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS. THIS CONFERENCE IS VERY IMPORTANT IN THAT WHEN WE FIRST BEGAN THE RAPID PAVEMENT PROGRAM AS A CITY AND STARTED IMPLEMENTING NEW TOOLS TO IMPROVE OUR PAVEMENT NETWORK, WE WERE TRACKING SOMEWHERE AROUND 10,000 TONS OF HOT MIX BEFORE, YOU KNOW, USE DEMAND. NOW WE'RE UP TO ABOUT 100,000 TONS ANNUALLY. AND SO THE DEMAND HAS INCREASED AND IT IS WITH THAT DEMAND WE HAVE TO UPDATE OUR SPECIFICATIONS AND TXAPA PROVIDES THAT TECHNICAL RESOURCES THAT WE CAN WORK WITH. THEY GO AROUND THE STATE AND WORK WITH MUNICIPALITIES TO TAKE FROM THE TxDOT SPEC THAT EVERYBODY USES AND MAKE IT MORE MUNICIPAL CENTERED. AND SO THAT'S THE NEXT TO-DO FOR US AT PUBLIC WORKS AND THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT IS TO UPDATE OUR SPECIFICATIONS. WITH THAT, WE PUT TOGETHER A LITTLE VIDEO THAT HIGHLIGHTS THE WORK THAT WE HAVE DONE HERE IN THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI. [ VIDEO ] >> THIS SPRING CORPUS CHRISTI WILL WELCOME ENGINEERS, CITY LEADERS, AND PUBLIC WORKS PROFESSIONALS FROM ACROSS TEXAS FOR THE TEXAS ASPHALT PAVEMENT ASSOCIATION'S CONFERENCE, A STATEWIDE FORUM FOCUSED ON SMARTER PAVEMENT SOLUTIONS FOR LOCAL AGENCIES. FOR THE FIRST TIME, THIS REGIONAL CONFERENCE WILL BE HOSTED RIGHT HERE IN CORPUS CHRISTI AT THE HILLIARD CENTER. THIS YEAR CORPUS CHRISTI ISN'T JUST THE HOST CITY, OUR WORK WILL BE FEATURED AS A MODEL FOR INNOVATION AND RESULTS. CORPUS CHRISTI'S RAPID PAVEMENT PROGRAM OR RPP, WILL BE HIGHLIGHTED AT THE CONFERENCE AS A SUCCESSFUL EXAMPLE OF MODERN STREET REHABILITATION. IT REPLACED THE CITY'S FORMER REACTIVE APPROACH WHICH RELIED ON TEMPORARY FIXES AND SHORT-TERM PATCHING. THE CITY SHIFTED TO A STRATEGY FOCUSED ON FULL-DEPTH RECONSTRUCTION AND LONG-LASTING PAVEMENT SOLUTIONS. >> THIS PROGRAM REPRESENTS THE HARD WORK AND DEDICATION OF OUR PUBLIC WORKS TEAM. WHAT MAKES THE RAPID PAVEMENT PROGRAM SUCCESSFUL IS THE WAY OUR ENGINEERS AND FIELD CREWS WORK TOGETHER TO DELIVER QUALITY CONSTRUCTION THAT WILL SERVE OUR RESIDENTS FOR YEARS TO COME. BEING ABLE TO SHARE THIS WORK AT A STATEWIDE CONFERENCE IS SOMETHING OUR TEAM IS VERY PROUD OF. >> CORPUS CHRISTI'S APPROACH IS NOW HELPING GUIDE OTHER CITIES SEEKING BETTER PAVEMENT SOLUTIONS. AS CORPUS CHRISTI PREPARES TO HOST THE TXAPA MAPS CONFERENCE, THE CITY WILL SHARE ITS EXPERIENCE, ITS LESSONS LEARNED, AND COMMITMENT TO BUILDING STRONGER STREETS FOR THE FUTURE. CORPUS CHRISTI CONTINUES TO LEAD BY EXAMPLE. [END OF VIDEO] >> Zanoni: GREAT, ERNIE. [APPLAUSE] >> Mayor Guajardo: GREAT VIDEO. >> Zanoni: YOU'LL BE PRESENTING AT THE CONFERENCE AS WELL? >> YES, SIR. I'LL BE GIVING INTRODUCTORY COMMENTS. I'M SHOWING THIS VIDEO AT THE CONFERENCE AS WELL. AND THEN WE'LL BE ON A PANEL DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW, HIGHLIGHTING THE MATERIAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE DOING ON THIS PROGRAM. >> Zanoni: GREAT. MAYOR, THAT CONCLUDES OUR BRIEFING THIS MORNING. >> Mayor Guajardo: GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, ERNIE. >> Barrera: ERNIE, I WANTED TO PUBLICLY THANK YOU. IT'S YOU AND YOUR TEAM AND YOUR CREATIVITY THAT BASICALLY CAME UP WITH THIS SO WE CAN ACCELERATE THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE FACING WITH OUR STREETS. I JUST WANT TO COMMEND YOU PERSONALLY. I KNOW THE ENTIRE COUNCIL APPRECIATES IT. AND I KNOW, SINCE THIS HAPPENED, THAT MY PHONE DOESN'T RING AS OFTEN. I APPRECIATE THAT. I WANT TO EMBARRASS ALSO -- I PUT ON MY BIO THAT I SING IN THE CHOIR AT THE CHURCH. OF COURSE THAT'S AT THE 10:30 MASS. ERNIE SINGS AT THE 12:30 MASS. LITTLE KNOWN FACT. VERY BASHFUL BUT HE DOES A GREAT JOB. THANK YOU, ERNIE. >> THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILWOMAN VAUGHN. >> Vaughn: WELL, SING A CHORUS FOR US. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YOU SHOULD BE SO PROUD OF WHAT YOU ACCOMPLISHED. THIS IS WHAT CORPUS NEEDS. THANK YOU, MR. ZANONI FOR HIGHLIGHTING IT. THANKS FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILWOMAN PAXSON. >> Paxson: THANK YOU, MAYOR. ERNIE, THIS IS REALLY SOMETHING FOR OUR CITY TO BE PROUD OF. THANK YOU FOR TAKING SUCH A LEADERSHIP ROLE IN THIS. I KNOW IN THE YEAR WORKING WITH YOU YOU'VE BEEN INCREDIBLY HELPFUL, INCREDIBLY RESPONSIVE AND THE THINGS THAT YOU AND YOUR DEPARTMENT DO UNDER YOU ARE MEANINGFUL IMPACTS IN OUR COMMUNITY. WE SUPPORT YOU. THANK YOU FOR THIS. WE'RE EXCITED TO SEE YOU SHINE AT THE CONFERENCE. >> Mayor Guajardo: YEAH. AND WE ALSO WANT TO THANK YOUR TEAM. THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BOOTS ON THE GROUND AND EVERYONE THAT'S PART OF THE TEAM. WHETHER IT BE CONTRACTOR OR NOT. I THINK YOU MENTIONED IT IN THE VIDEO. WE'RE A LEADER. YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO HIGHLIGHT WHAT WE'RE DOING SO OTHER CITIES CAN LOOK AT THAT, THOSE PROCESSES. SO WE APPRECIATE YOUR LEADERSHIP BECAUSE I KNOW -- HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN HERE NOW? >> GOING ON THREE YEARS. >> Mayor Guajardo: SO YOU REALLY CAME AND STARTED A NEW CHAPTER FOR THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI. WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL. >> THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILWOMAN CAMPOS. >> Campos: I WANT TO SING YOUR PRAISES AND I AGREE WITH THE NOT SO MANY CALLS COMING IN. BUT I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE KNOW THAT YOU ALSO BROUGHT UP THE STANDARDS OF OUR PAVEMENT, THE PAVEMENT OF THE STREETS. WHEN I WAS CALLING YOU AS TO WHY THIS STREET WAS ALREADY KIND OF FALLING APART AND IT WAS BEFORE YOU CAME IN WITH NOW STANDARDIZED STANDARDS. AND THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE. FROM NOW ON, WE CAN EXPECT THAT OUR STREETS THAT YOU PAVE WILL LAST AT LEAST TEN YEARS, CORRECT? >> YES, MA'AM. >> Campos: AGAIN, THESE ARE THE KIND OF STANDARDS THAT WE APPRECIATE AND THAT YOU EXCEL AT AND THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO MAKE THIS PROGRAM SUCCEED AND BETTER THAN THE OTHER CITIES. I THANK YOU FOR THAT. >> THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN CANTU. I'M SORRY. HERNANDEZ. >> Hernandez: ERNIE, I APPRECIATE THE STREETS THING BUT I STILL NEED A PLAN FOR ALLEYWAYS. I'LL SING YOUR PRAISES BUT I ALSO WANT TO SAY, HEY, DON'T FORGET THE ALLEYWAYS. WE STILL HAVE A LOT TO DO. >> Mayor Guajardo: AND INDUSTRIAL PARKS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, ERNIE. >> Hernandez: BUT IT'S JUST FUNDING. >> Mayor Guajardo: RIGHT. THANK YOU. SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GO TO SECTION G 2, BOARD AND COMMITTEE APPOINTMENTS. MS. BOX, WOULD YOU PLEASE PROCEED? >> SINCE WE HAVEN'T HIT PUBLIC COMMENT, DID YOU WANT TO OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT ON BOARD AND COMMITTEE APPOINTMENTS? >> Mayor Guajardo: YES, YES, YES. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON SECTION G 2, WHICH IS OUR BOARD AND COMMITTEE APPOINTMENTS? COME ON UP. >> GOOD MORNING. SUSIE LUNA SALDANA, CORPUS CHRISTI TEXAS. I'M HERE TODAY SEEKING YOUR SUPPORT FOR THE APPOINTMENT TO THE RTA BOARD. NOT AS A POLICY EXPERT BUT AS A WRITER, A NEIGHBOR, SOMEONE WHO LISTENS EVERY DAY TO THE PEOPLE WHO DEPEND ON THE TRANSIT SYSTEM TO GET TO WORK, SCHOOL, MEDICAL APPOINTMENTS, AND HOME SAFELY. FOR YEARS I HAVE RIDDEN THE RTA BUS WHEN I CAME HERE. WHILE WORKING IN CORPUS CHRISTI IN THAT TIME, I HAD COUNTLESS CONVERSATIONS WITH RIDERS. AND NOW I HAVE THEM IN LINE AT H-E-B, WALMART, BUS STOPS, AND BUSES THEMSELVES. WHAT I HEAR OVER AND OVER AGAIN IS THAT PEOPLE FEEL UNHEARD. THEY FEEL LIKE DECISIONS ARE BEING MADE ABOUT THEM WITHOUT THEM. MANY OF THOSE RIDERS ARE WORKING PARENTS, MOTHERS, AND PEOPLE TRAVELING LONG DISTANCES TO JOB SITES, INCLUDING TRIPS TO THE ISLAND. FOR THEM, PUBLIC BUSES ARE NOT A CONVENIENCE, IT'S A LIFELINE. WHEN ROUTES CHANGE, WHEN SCHEDULES DON'T ALIGN, OR WHEN COMMUNICATIONS FALL SHORT AND THE IMPACT IS NOT ABSTRACT, IT'S MISSED PAYCHECKS, MISSED CHILDCARE, MISSED PICK UPS AND MISSED APPOINTMENTS AND MISSED OPPORTUNITIES. I SEE FIRSTHAND WHEN RIDER CONCERNS REACH LEADERSHIP, CHANGE CAN HAPPEN. IN THE PAST I HAVE RAISED ISSUES TO THE BOARD MEMBERS AND THE CEO AND I HAVE SEEN TANGIBLE IMPROVEMENTS. THAT TELLS ME SOMETHING IMPORTANT. ADVOCACY WORKS. BUT ONLY WHEN IT'S CONSISTENT AND NOT WHEN RIDERS HAVE A TRUSTED VOICE INSIDE THE ROOM WHERE DECISIONS ARE MADE. THAT'S WHY I'M SEEKING THIS APPOINTMENT. WHILE FINANCIAL PLANNING AND POLICIES ARE CRITICAL, I BELIEVE THE BOARD MUST ALWAYS CENTER THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY USE THE SYSTEM. LIFE EXPERIENCE MATTERS. THE RIDERS WHO SERVE AS BOARD MEMBERS KNOW WHAT IT MEANS TO WAIT IN THE HEAT, DEPEND ON TRANSFERS, AND ORGANIZE YOUR TIME AROUND BUS SCHEDULES. THIS APPOINTMENT WOULD BE BOTH AN HONOR AND RESPONSIBILITY. MY GOAL IS SIMPLE. IT IS TO MAKE SURE RIDERS FEEL WELCOME, RESPECTED, AND HEARD. NOT OCCASIONALLY BUT CONSISTENTLY. I WANT TO BUILD A TRANSIT SYSTEM THAT REFLECTS THE NEED OF OUR COMMUNITY AND STRENGTHENS THE TRUST BETWEEN RTA AND THE LEADERSHIP AND THE PEOPLE IT SERVES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? PUBLIC COMMENT ON OUR BOARD APPOINTMENTS. WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT. MS. BOX. >> THE FIRST BOARD FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IS A COMMITTEE FOR PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES. THERE ARE FIVE VACANCIES. PER COUNCIL POLICIES, RECOMMENDATIONS FOR BOARD APPOINTMENTS WILL NOT BE SOLICITED FROM THE BOARD EXCEPT FOR THE COMMITTEE FOR PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES . THE COMMITTEE IS RECOMMENDING THE REAPPOINTMENTS OF SONIA WALKER, ELIZA LONG, AND IMELDA TREVINO. >> Mayor Guajardo: I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO REAPPOINT SONIA WALKER, ELIZA LONG, AND IMELDA TREVINO. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR THE REAPPOINTMENT OF THE THREE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> [CHORUS OF AYES] >> Mayor Guajardo: ANY OPPOSED SAY NO. THE MOTION CARRIES. GO AHEAD. >> SO THE COMMITTEE IS ALSO RECOMMENDING THE NEW APPOINTMENTS OF LEANNE ALFARO AND ALLISON JOHNSON. >> Mayor Guajardo: I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPOINT THE RECOMMENDATION OF LEANNE ALFARO AND ALLISON JOHNSON. >> [OFF MIC] >> Mayor Guajardo: PARDON? WELL, I HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING. >> Cantu: [OFF MIC] >> Mayor Guajardo: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR. DON'T WE, STEPHANIE? NO? YES, WE DID. >> NOT YET FOR THE APPOINTMENTS OF ANY MEMBERS. >> Barrera: SHE MADE A MOTION. >> Campos: TO ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATIONS. >> I'M SORRY. I DID NOT HEAR. >> Mayor Guajardo: IF WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, YOU HAVE TO VOTE AND THEN WE CAN CONSIDER -- OR AM I WRONG? >> THAT'S CORRECT. SO MS. CAMPOS MADE THE MOTION. >> Campos: [OFF MIC] >> Mayor Guajardo: IF Y'ALL WANT TO RETRACT, YOU CAN AND INCLUDE THE OTHER PERSON. BUT IT WAS DONE SO I'M TRYING TO STICK WITH THE -- >> WE DIDN'T HEAR THE SECOND ON THE MOTION TO APPOINT THE TWO NEW MEMBERS. >> [OFF MIC] >> Mayor Guajardo: IF THERE WAS NOT A SECOND, THEN WE'LL INCLUDE -- WHO WAS YOUR -- >> Cantu: [OFF MIC] >> Mayor Guajardo: THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE BOARD IS LEANNE ALFARO AND ALLISON JOHNSON. AND WE'RE GOING TO ADD OLGA BARRERA TO THE POOL. AND THIS IS FOR TWO PEOPLE SO WE'LL START WITH COUNCILWOMAN VAUGHN. TWO PEOPLE. >> Vaughn: [OFF MIC] >> [OFF MIC] >> [OFF MIC] >> Barrera: ALFARO AND JOHNSON. >> Mayor Guajardo: I'M GOING TO GO WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF ALFARO AND JOHNSON. >> Roy: BARRERA AND JOHNSON. >> [OFF MIC] >> ALFARO AND JOHNSON. >> Cantu: BARRERA AND JOHNSON. >> SO BARRERA AND JOHNSON ARE APPOINTED TO THE COMMITTEE FOR PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES. SO THE NEXT BOARD FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IS THE CORPUS CHRISTI CONVENTION AND VISITORS BUREAU. THERE IS ONE VACANCY. THE CCVB WILL MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR LODGING, ATTRACTION, AS DIRECTORS TERM EXPIRES WITH THE CCVB WILL NOMINATE ONE MORE INDIVIDUAL AS ALTERNATE THAN THE TOTAL NUMBER POSITIONS AVAILABLE. APPOINTMENTS WILL BE MADE BY THE CITY COUNCIL FROM THE PROVIDED LIST WITH CONSIDERATION OF NOMINATIONS BY THE CCVB NOMINATIONS EXECUTIVE COMMITTEES AND BOARD. THE CCVB A RECOMMENDING THE REINSTATEMENT OF ALEX HARRIS FROM THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL INDUSTRY. >> Mayor Guajardo: I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> Paxson: [OFF MIC] >> Mayor Guajardo: SO REINSTATEMENT -- >> I HEARD TWO COMPETING MOTIONS. I HEARD A MOTION FOR THE REINSTATEMENT AND ALSO A MOTION FOR THE -- >> Mayor Guajardo: SO THERE WAS A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR THE REINSTATEMENT OF ALEX HARRIS. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> [CHORUS OF AYES] >> Mayor Guajardo: ANY OPPOSED SAY NO. >> NO. >> Mayor Guajardo: RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU'RE A NO, PLEASE. FOUR NOES. THE MOTION CARRIES. >> THE NEXT APPOINTMENT IS THE CORPUS CHRISTI REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY. THERE IS ONE VACANCY REPRESENTING THE FOLLOWING CATEGORY: CITY MEMBER. >> Mayor Guajardo: I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR NOMINATIONS. MATTHEW GARCIA? WE HAVE MATTHEW GARCIA. ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? >> Roy: I NOMINATE SUSIE SALDANA. >> Mayor Guajardo: ANYONE ELSE? >> [OFF MIC] >> Mayor Guajardo: I'LL CLOSE NOMINATIONS AND WE WILL START WITH COUNCILMAN CANTU. >> [OFF MIC] >> [OFF MIC] >> Mayor Guajardo: SALDANA. >> [OFF MIC] >> SO MS. SALDANA IS APPOINTED TO THE RTA. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. >> SO THE NEXT BOARD FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IS THE REINVESTMENT ZONE NO. 3 DOWNTOWN BOARD. THERE ARE FOUR VACANCIES REPRESENTING THE FOLLOWING CATEGORIES: THREE CITY AND ONE DOWNTOWN MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. HISTORICALLY COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE BEEN APPOINTED TO THE BOARD. THE THREE CITY REAPPOINTMENTS ARE COUNCIL MEMBER SYLVIA CAMPOS, MARK SCOTT, AND ERIC CANTU. >> Mayor Guajardo: I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO REAPPOINT SYLVIA CAMPOS, MARK SCOTT, AND ERIC CANTU. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> [CHORUS OF AYES] >> Mayor Guajardo: ANY OPPOSED SAY NO. THE MOTION CARRIES. >> OKAY. NEXT THE DOWNTOWN MANAGEMENT DISTRICT BOARD RECOMMENDS THE REAPPOINTMENT OF JAMES SEDWICK. >> Mayor Guajardo: ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> [CHORUS OF AYES] >> Mayor Guajardo: ANY OPPOSED SAY NO. THE MOTION CARRIES . >> MR. SEDWICK IS REAPPOINTED TO THE BOARD. THE LAST BOARD FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IS A SENIOR CORPS ADVISORY COMMITTEE. THERE ARE THREE VACANCIES REPRESENTING THE FOLLOWING CATEGORIES: ONE AT-LARGE, ONE STP VOLUNTEER STATION AND ONE RSV VOLUNTEER. ALLISON VELA IS A VOLUNTEER AND SHE IS SEEKING REAPPOINTMENT. >> Mayor Guajardo: I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPOINT ALLISON VELA. >> Paxson: ONE OF OUR APPLICANTS, ALLISON JOHNSON, WAS APPOINTED TO ANOTHER BOARD. >> THIS IS ALLISON VELA. >> Paxson: I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE VACANCY. YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD. >> Mayor Guajardo: I'M SORRY. . >> [OFF MIC] >> Paxson: THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ. >> Hernandez: SO JUST FOR CLARITY, IT'S ALLISON JOHNSON, NOT ALLISON VELA? >> [OFF MIC] >> Hernandez: IT'S VELA. WHAT WE HAVE IN THE PACKAGE FOR APPLICANTS IS INCORRECT? >> [OFF MIC] >> Hernandez: THERE'S AN ALLISON JOHNSON WITH HER RESUME. SO THAT'S A MISTAKE. ALLISON JOHNSON IS NOT APPLYING FOR THIS POSITION? >> [OFF MIC] >> Hernandez: OKAY. ALL RIGHT. JUST WANT TO HAVE CLARITY THERE. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> [CHORUS OF AYES] >> Mayor Guajardo: ANY OPPOSED SAY NO. THE MOTION CARRIES. >> NEXT WE HAVE THE SCP VOLUNTEER STATION AND RSVP VOLUNTEER. >> Mayor Guajardo: WE HAVE ONE OR TWO? >> IT'S TWO. >> Mayor Guajardo: I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR NOMINATIONS. OH, THERE'S TWO APPLICANTS. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPOINT. >> I MAKE A MOTION. >> Mayor Guajardo: FOR BOTH OF THEM TO BE REAPPOINTED. COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? >> Hernandez: YEAH. IT'S GRABE AND PENA? FOR THOSE TWO OPEN POSITIONS. >> Mayor Guajardo: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> [CHORUS OF AYES] >> Mayor Guajardo: ANY OPPOSED SAY NO. THE MOTION CARRIES. THAT CONCLUDES OUR BOARD AND COMMITTEE APPOINTMENTS. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND -- YOU KNOW, WE GOT TWO MINUTES. I'M GOING TO GO TO THE CONSENT AGENDA, SECTION I. DO ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE ANY ITEMS THEY'D LIKE TO PULL BETWEEN 3 AND 23? NO. 6? >> [OFF MIC] >> Mayor Guajardo: NO. 9, 17, AND 18. ANY OTHER ITEMS TO BE PULLED? 8 AND 10. >> Barrera: I'M SORRY. I HAVE A CONFLICT ON ONE. >> JUST FOR THE RECORD, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING WITHDRAWAL OF ITEMS 17 AND 18 TO BE PRESENTED NEXT WEEK. >> Mayor Guajardo: PETER, YOU'RE PULLING 17 AND 18? THAT'S THE 9%? >> Zanoni: IS THAT WHAT THEY'RE SAYING, STEPHANIE? YES MA'AM. WE'RE GOING TO PULL 17 AND 18. WE'LL PUT THEM ON NEXT WEEK'S AGENDA. >> Mayor Guajardo: SO THEN WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THOSE OFF OF THE PULLED -- WELL, YOU'RE PULLING THOSE. >> Zanoni: WE'RE GOING TO PUT THEM ON NEXT WEEK'S AGENDA. >> Mayor Guajardo: WE HAVE ITEMS TO PULL NO. 6, NO. 9, 8, AND 10. ARE THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS? OKAY. WITH THAT, ANY REQUESTS FROM THE PUBLIC TO PULL AN ITEM FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? ITEMS 3 THROUGH 23 THAT HAVEN'T ALREADY BEEN PULLED. OKAY. WE'LL CLOSE THAT PUBLIC COMMENT. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ITEMS 6, 8, 9, AND 10. >> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Guajardo: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> [CHORUS OF AYES]. >> Mayor Guajardo: ANY OPPOSED SAY NO. THE MOTION CARRIES. AT THIS TIME WE'RE GOING TO GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND GO THROUGH THOSE ITEMS THAT WERE PULLED. SO WE'VE RECENTLY CHANGED PUBLIC COMMENT PROCEDURES AND I'LL SUMMARIZE THEM AS FOLLOWS. CITIZENS MAY SPEAK ON AGENDA OR CITY-RELATED ITEMS DURING THE NOON PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. FOR NOON PUBLIC COMMENT CITIZENS CAN REGISTER THROUGH THE SIGN-IN PAGE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE OR IN PERSON AT THE KIOSK LOCATED AT THE CITY HALL FOYER. REGISTRATION BEGINS MONDAYS AT 8:00 A.M. AND ENDS AT 11:00 A.M. ON TUESDAY. FOR CALL-IN OR WEBEX VIDEO SPEAKERS, CORPUS CHRISTI RESIDENTS RECEIVE UP TO THREE MINUTES AND NON-RESIDENTS UP TO ONE MINUTE. ALL SPEAKERS, WHETHER DELIVERING INFORMATION ORALLY, IN WRITING, OR ELECTRONICALLY MUST ADHERE TO THE RULES OF DECORUM. AND AS WE BEGIN TODAY'S MEETING, I WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO ADDRESS THE RULES OF DECORUM . THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS IS A PLACE OF PUBLIC BUSINESS, A FORUM FOR CIVIC DISCUSSION, DECISION MAKING, AND SERVICE TO THE PEOPLE OF CORPUS CHRISTI. IT IS NOT A STAGE FOR PERSONAL ATTACKS DISRUPTIONS OR VULGARITY AND WE WILL NOT TOLERATE VIOLATIONS OF DECORUM. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM DURING ITS DISCUSSION, YOU DON'T NEED TO SIGN UP BEFOREHAND. I WILL ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT WHEN THE COUNCIL CONSIDERS THE ITEM. AT THAT TIME YOU MAY COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND SPEAK. I'LL ASK CITY ATTORNEY MILES RISLEY TO REVIEW THE COUNCIL MEETING RULES OF DECORUM. THESE RULES WILL ALSO BE DISPLAYED ON THE TELEVISION SCREEN FOR OUR AUDIENCE'S REFERENCE. MR. RISLEY. [RULES OF DECORUM] >> Mayor Guajardo: PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND THE CITY IN WHICH YOU LIVE BEFORE BEGINNING YOUR COMMENT. IN-PERSON COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES. FOR CALL-IN OR WEBEX SPEAKERS, CORPUS CHRISTI RESIDENTS RECEIVE UP TO THREE MINUTES AND NON-RESIDENTS UP TO ONE MINUTE. A VISIBLE TIMER WILL HELP MANAGE THAT ALLOTTED TIME. IF YOU HAVE A PETITION OR RELEVANT INFORMATION, PLEASE PRESENT IT TO THE CITY SECRETARY PRIOR TO SPEAKING. SO WITH THAT, TODAY WE HAVE 11 SPEAKERS AND WE ARE GOING TO STALE WITH KYLE JOSEK. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. KYLE JOSEK, DISTRICT 5. SEVEN MONTHS AGO I MADE YOU AWARE THAT [INDISCERNIBLE] PENAL CODE 25.03 INTERFERENCE WITH CHILD CUSTODY. MULTIPLE CCPD OFFICERS AS WELL AS INTERNAL AFFAIRS HAS CONFIRMED THAT CHIEF MARKLE HAS A POLICY NOT TO ENFORCE THIS STATUTE. SINCE THEN EVERY ATTEMPT TO GET AN EXPLANATION HAS REVEALED SOMETHING WORSE. AS YOU SEE ON THE PAPER IN FRONT OF YOU, IT IS A STATE JAIL FELONY AND UNDER THE CODE OF CRIMINAL PROCEDURE OFFICERS SHALL PREVENT AND ACT ON CRIME. THE CHIEF OF POLICE DOES NOT HAVE AUTHORITY TO DOWNGRADE A FELONY OR REFUSE TO DOCUMENT IT. INTERNAL AFFAIRS HAS TOLD ME WHEN OFFICERS RESPOND TO THESE CALLS THEY ALREADY KNOW THEY ARE ONLY GOING TO WRITE A VIOLATION OF COURT ORDER AND WE DO NOT WRITE 25.03 BECAUSE THAT IS NOT WHAT THE CHIEF WANTS. CHIEF BREEDLOVE TOLD ME THE OPPOSITE. HE SAID THERE IS NO DIRECTIVE AND THEY DO ENFORCE 25.03. THE CHIEF TOLD COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT IT IS CIVIL. IT IS NOT THAT THE CHIEF ISN'T UNAWARE OF WHO I AM. HE HAS HAD TIME TO RESEARCH ME BUT HASN'T RETURNED A SINGLE CALL OR E-MAIL. COUNCILWOMAN CAMPOS TOLD ME THE CHIEF KNOWS WHO YOU ARE BUT ISN'T INTERESTED IN MEETING WITH YOU. IT'S AVOIDANCE AND THE RESPONSE FROM THIS COUNCIL HAS BEEN CONCERNING. WHEN I CALLED MY OWN DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVE COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ, HE SHOWED NO INTEREST IN ASSISTING AND TOLD ME TO GET WITH THE OTHER MEMBERS. THEN STATED NOBODY QUESTIONS THE CHIEF. THAT STATEMENT ALONE EXPLAINS WHY THIS ISSUE HAS GONE UNCHECKED. COUNCILMAN CANTU'S E-MAIL SAID HE SUPPORTS THE CHIEF AND SAID HE WON'T SUPPORT UNDERMINING LAW ENFORCEMENT. WHEN DOCUMENTED FACTS ARE VIEWED AS UNDERMINING THAT RAISES SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT BIAS. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE PAGE ON THE BACK SIDE, WE HAVE A TOTAL SYSTEMIC FAILURE TO ENFORCE IN FELONY STATUTE. NON-ENFORCEMENT IS DANGEROUS. THE FATHER SHOT AND KILLED DURING A CUSTODY EXCHANGE AFTER THE MOTHER REFUSED TO TURN OVER THE CHILD SHOWS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN POLICE WON'T ENFORCE THE LAW. INTERNAL AFFAIRS RECEIVED A COMPLAINT AND HAS VERBALLY ESCALATED THIS COMPLAINT TO CAPTAIN WEBBER. IT'S NOT A DELAY, IT'S DAMAGE CONTROL. THE CITY ATTORNEY SITS IN THIS ROOM. IF HE IS AWARE THAT THE CHIEF IS TELLING THE PUBLIC A FELONY IS CIVIL OR IA IS REFUSING TO DOCUMENT A COMPLAINT, HE HAS A PROFESSIONAL OBLIGATION TO CORRECT THAT. I HOPE AFTER TODAY'S COMMENTS I'M NOT CHASED OUT OF CITY HALL BY TWO POLICE OFFICERS LIKE I WAS LAST TIME. I FOLLOWED EVERY STEP OF THIS PROCESS. THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO ACT. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, MR. JOSEK. FATIMA GUERRA RASHID. >> FATIMA, DISTRICT 1. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR EFFORT IN DEALING WITH SO MANY ISSUES THAT I AM PRETTY MUCH CLUELESS ABOUT IN OUR CITY. I LOVE MY CITY AND I KNOW YOU LOVE OUR CITY TOO. I ALSO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR RECENT APPROVAL OF THE 30-YEAR AGREEMENT TO SUPPLY RECYCLED WATER FROM THE GREENWOOD TREATMENT PLANT TO VALERO REFINING. I READ THAT VALERO IS EXPECTED TO RECEIVE ABOUT 8 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY OF RECYCLED WATER FOR THE OPERATIONS. THIS IS A GREAT MOVE TO REDUCE VALERO'S DEMAND ON OUR DRINKING WATER SUPPLY. VALERO IS EVEN AGREEING TO PAY THE CITY FOR BOTH THE WATER AND THE TREATMENT COSTS. THIS TRULY IS A GREAT MOVE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. BUT THIS DOESN'T TAKE AWAY FROM THE FACT THAT REFINERIES AND CHEMICAL PLANTS ARE THE HEAVIEST USERS OF OUR DRINKING WATER SUPPLY. I HAVE ALREADY POINTED THIS OUT SO MANY TIMES SO I WON'T DWELL ON THIS NOW. I'LL JUST END HERE. THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILIES. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. CHRISTINA ENGLISH. >> CHRISTINA ENGLISH, DISTRICT 1. ON JANUARY 13th DURING A DISCUSSION AROUND THE FAR-FIELD MODEL COMMITTEE, PETER ZANONI PROMISED THE PEOPLE OF CORPUS CHRISTI THE MOST TRANSPARENT PROCESS. AND THAT THOSE MEETINGS WOULD BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. ON JANUARY 22, MYSELF AND MY PARTNER CAME TO CITY HALL TO OBSERVE THAT MEETING BUT WE WERE DENIED ENTRY AFTER SECURITY CALLED TO CHECK TO SEE IF WE SHOULD BE LET IN. I HAVE THE INTERACTION ON VIDEO AND I PLAYED PORTION OF THAT AUDIO HERE IN CHAMBERS AS EVIDENCE OF THAT DENIAL. ON JANUARY 27 I PRESENTED COUNCIL WITH THIS EVIDENCE AND ASKED FOR AN EXPLANATION FOR WHY PETER ZANONI WOULD MAKE A PROMISE TO THE PUBLIC, WHO PAY HIM ABOUT SEVEN TIMES THE AVERAGE INCOME HERE IN CORPUS CHRISTI AND THEN NOT KEEP IT. I ASK FOR THAT EXPLANATION TO BE HERE AT THE DAIS OR IN WRITING THROUGH THE CONTACT INFORMATION THAT WE'RE FORCED TO PROVIDE WHEN WE MAKE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. IT'S BEEN 15 DAYS. I HAVE RECEIVED NOTHING. NOT AN E-MAIL. NOT A LETTER TO MY HOME ADDRESS. I PROVIDED MY PERSONAL CONTACT INFORMATION TO EACH OF YOU TODAY DESPITE THE FACT THAT THE PUBLIC COMMENT FORM CITES THAT RESPONDING IN JUST THIS WAY IS THE PURPOSE FOR COLLECTING THIS SAME INFORMATION. SO I'M ASKING AGAIN AND I'M MAKING IT AS EASY AS POSSIBLE TO RESPOND. WHY DID CITY MANAGER PETER ZANONI PROMISE THE PEOPLE OF CORPUS CHRISTI THAT THE FAR-FIELD MODEL COMMITTEE WOULD BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND THEN DENY US ENTRY? TO BE CLEAR, I'M NOT INTERESTED IN THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT. I'M ASKING WHY PETER ZANONI CHOSE NOT -- I'M SORRY. YES. I'M ASKING WHY PETER ZANONI CHOSE NOT TO KEEP A PROMISE THAT HE MADE TO THE PEOPLE OF CORPUS CHRISTI NINE DAYS AFTER MAKING IT. IF YOU WANT TO ANSWER, I'LL CEDE THE REST OF MY TIME. >> Mayor Guajardo: MS. ENGLISH, WE CAN'T ANSWER QUESTIONS. >> I APPRECIATE IT. I WANTED TO GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY. I EXPECT SOMETHING IN WRITING. >> Zanoni: YEAH. THANK YOU, MS. CHRISTINA. WE'RE GOING TO BE CHANGING OUR POSITION ON THIS. INITIALLY I DID SAY THAT. AND CHRISTINA'S RIGHT. I SAID WE WOULD HAVE THIS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. THE TEAM, MY CITY TEAM ADVISED ME PROBABLY NOT THE BEST IDEA BECAUSE IT'S A WORKING MEETING. BUT I DID MAKE THE PROMISE AND WE'VE HEARD CHRISTINA. MY APOLOGIES FOR NOT GETTING BACK WITH YOU. WE'RE GOING TO TRY THE NEXT MEETING TO HAVE IT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE IT ONE MEETING AT A TIME. IF IT'S TOO OVERWHELMING, IF IT TURNS INTO THE MEETINGS AREN'T CONDUCIVE FOR CONDUCTING THE BUSINESS FOR THIS TASK FORCE, WE MIGHT MAKE ADJUSTMENTS. BUT WE ARE GOING TO LET PUBLIC IN THE SECOND MEETING. >> WHAT WOULD MAKE IT NOT CONDUCIVE? >> Zanoni: WE CONSIDER IT A STAFF MEETING. >> LIKE THIS? >> Zanoni: NO, THIS IS NOT A STAFF MEETING. THIS IS AN OPEN PUBLIC MEETING. LIKE THIS MORNING I HAD A STAFF MEETING WITH A COUPLE OF CONSULTANTS AND TEAMMATES AND WE DON'T OPEN THOSE UP TO THE PUBLIC. SO THE PREVAILING THOUGHT WAS LET'S KEEP THESE KIND OF AS IF THEY'RE WORKING STAFF MEETINGS. >> IS JASON HALE A MEMBER OF YOUR STAFF? >> Zanoni: NO, HE IS NOT. >> HE'S A PART OF THAT COMMITTEE, ISN'T HE? >> Zanoni: YEAH, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A COMMITTEE AND A STAFF. >>. I'LL CALL YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: I WANTED MR. ZANONI TO ADDRESS -- >> Zanoni: YEAH, IT'S BEEN ADDRESSED. >> Mayor Guajardo: BUT I WANT Y'ALL TO TALK AND YOU CAN SPEAK ABOUT DETAILS. >> IN WRITING WOULD BE BEST. VIA MY E-MAIL WOULD BE GOOD. >> Zanoni: NO PROBLEM. WE'LL E-MAIL YOU. FOR THE PUBLIC, I WANT TO MAKE THIS ANNOUNCEMENT THAT THE MEETINGS WILL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. HOWEVER, I DO RESERVE THE RIGHT TO ADJUST IF THE MEETINGS ARE NOT CONDUCIVE FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER. THAT'S THE POSITION WE'RE IN TODAY. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, MR. ZANONI. ADAM RIOS. >> ADAM RIOS, CORPUS CHRISTI, DISTRICT 5. ALMOST FOUR YEARS AGO I WAS INVITED BY MAYOR PAULETTE GUARD TO SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT COLE PARK SKATE PARK. AT THE TIME IT FELT LIKE A SMALL MEETING BUT WHAT IT TURNED INTO WAS SOMETHING MUCH BIGGER. TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY WE DIDN'T JUST SAVE COLE PARK, WE PROVED THAT WHEN PEOPLE CARE AND SHOW UP REAL CHANGE HAPPENS. WE HAVE ADDED A NEW SKATE PARK AT WEST GUTH. WE SECURED FUNDING FOR A WORLD-CLASS SKATE PARK AT BILLISH PARK ON THE ISLAND. AN INCREDIBLE DESIGN TO SERVE GENERATIONS TO COME. WE CAME TOGETHER TO DESIGN AND SUBMIT A FUTURE BMX PARK AT SALINAS TO SHOWCASE OUR CITY AND OUR STATE. TODAY, FROM WHAT I LEARNED, THE VISIT CORPUS CHRISTI SPORTS COMMISSION IS SPONSORING THE UPCOMING PACKERY CHANNEL OPENING WITH OUR OWN TEXAS GULF SURFING ASSOCIATION. THAT TO ME IS COMMUNITY. IT'S DETERMINATION. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN PEOPLE STAY POSITIVE AND REFUSE TO QUIT. I DO BELIEVE ONE DAY THAT X GAMES WILL COME KNOCKING BUT EVEN IF THEY DON'T, WHAT WE'VE ALREADY BUILT IS NOTHING SHORT OF SPECTACULAR. WE'VE CREATED A SAFE, CREATIVE, COMPETITIVE SPACE FOR ALTERNATIVE SPORTS. WE'VE GIVEN THE YOUTH OF CORPUS CHRISTI SOMETHING REAL TO BELIEVE IN. AND NOW I FEEL CALLED TO TAKE THE SAME ENERGY SOMEWHERE ELSE. THIS IS ALMOST LIKE A CALLING THAT HAPPENED TO ME RECENTLY. EB IS A DEVASTATING GENETIC DISEASE. INDIVIDUALS WITH EB LACK A PROTEIN THAT HOLD THE LAYERS OF SKIN TOLD. A TOUCH CAN CAUSE BLISTERING, OPEN WOUNDS, AND PAIN. MANY WOUNDS NEVER HEAL AND MANY CHILDREN WILL NEVER GET THE CHANCE TO GROW UP OR TAKE PART IN THESE AMENITIES WE HAVE. AN ESTIMATED 500,000 PEOPLE LIVE WITH EB. MOST WITH SEVERE FORMS HAVE A LIFE EXPECTANCY RANGING FROM INFANCY TO 30 YEARS OF AGE. EB IS CONSIDERED RARE BUT IT IS NOT DISTANT. BASED ON NATIONAL PREVALENCE, ABOUT ONE IN EVERY 20,000 BIRTHS, THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF FAMILIES HERE IN TEXAS ALONE AFFECTED BY EB, INCLUDING FAMILIES IN THE COASTAL BEND. THESE ARE CHILDREN IN OUR SCHOOLS, SIBLINGS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, PARENTS SILENTLY FIGHTING THESE BATTLES MOST OF US WILL NEVER SEE. THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM THAT SCIENCE CAN SOLVE WITHOUT HELP. THIS IS NOT A FIGHT THE FAMILIES CAN TAKE ON ALONE. WHAT WE HAVE PROVEN AS A COMMUNITY IS THROUGH SKATE PARKS AND BMX PLANS AND COMMUNITY EVENTS IS THAT WHEN CORPUS CHRISTI COMMITS, THINGS CAN CHANGE. I BELIEVE THAT SAME COMMITMENT CAN HELP SHINE A LIGHT ON EB AND I HOPE TO DO THAT THROUGH AWARENESS, THROUGH FUNDRAISING, THROUGH ADVOCACY. THROUGH REFUSING TO LOOK AWAY. I TRULY BELIEVE THIS MAY HAVE BEEN MY CALLING ALL ALONG TO TAKE WHAT I'VE LEARNED ABOUT COMMUNITY, PERSISTENCE, AND HOPE AND TO USE IT TO FIGHT FOR CHILDREN WHO NEED ALL THREE OF THOSE THINGS. IF WE CAN BUILD PARKS, WE CAN BUILD AWARENESS AND IF WE CAN RALLY FOR SPORT, WE CAN RALLY FOR LIFE. I TRULY BELIEVE THIS IS THE CALLING I HAVE HAD FROM GOD OR SOME HIGHER POWER BECAUSE IT HIT ME SO HARD YESTERDAY THAT I JUST WANTED TO BRING ATTENTION TO IT AND I'M GOING TO BE FOCUSING MORE ON THAT MOVING FORWARD. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, MR. RIOS. SUSIE SALDANA. >> SUSIE SALDANA, CORPUS CHRISTI. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU. SECOND, I CAME TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT WATER. I KNOW THAT YOU ALL ARE LOOKING AT A LOT OF PROJECTS BUT I WANT YOU TO KEEP ONE THING IN MIND AND THIS IS THE REASON I WANTED TO TALK TO YOU. YOUR ALLEGIANCE SHOULD BE TO CORPUS CHRISTI CITIZENS. WHILE I VALUE OUR NEIGHBORS, WHILE I VALUE WHATEVER'S GOING ON, YOUR DUTY AND YOUR FIRST THING SHOULD BE THE CITIZENS OF CORPUS CHRISTI. SO WHEN YOU MAKE ALL OF THE DECISIONS THAT ARE COMING UP, REMEMBER THAT THEY ARE THE PRIORITY. WE ARE THE PRIORITY. AND I'M ASKING YOU TO KEEP THAT IN MIND AS YOU MAKE YOUR DECISIONS GOING THROUGH THIS AGENDA. CORPUS CHRISTI FIRST, THE CITIZENS OF CORPUS CHRISTI FIRST. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, MS. SALDANA. GARY TUCKER. >> GARY TUCKER, NUECES COUNTY. MAYOR, COUNCIL, TO DISCUSS THE RESOLUTION ON PURCHASE OF GROUNDWATER. I LIVE JUST WEST SO I'M DIRECTLY IMPACTED. I REALLY CREDIT YOUR PUBLIC SERVICE IN TRYING TO ANALYZE THESE PROBLEMS. AND DOING IT FOR THE PUBLIC GOOD AND FOR ALL THE NEIGHBORS, EVEN THOSE BEYOND THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI WITHOUT DOING HARM. NOW, THE DIFFICULTY WHEN YOU ANALYZE THIS PROBLEM IS WHEN YOU USE YOUR HEAD -- WELL YOU CAN'T. THERE'S NO ANALYSIS. THERE'S NO HYDROLOGY REPORT. THERE'S NO DATA TO USE YOUR HEAD ON THIS DECISION. YOUR HEART. I HAVE HEARD SEVERAL OF YOU IN PRIOR MEETINGS TALK ABOUT YOUR HEART TO YOUR NEIGHBORS OR FARMERS OR RANCHERS. WELL, YOU DON'T KNOW THE HARM YOU'RE GOING TO CAUSE THEM. 28MILLION FOR SOMETHING THAT'S TEMPORARY THAT YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU'RE BUYING. WHEN YOU'RE WEEKS AWAY FROM A FINAL SOLUTION AND YOU MAY JUST FIND YOURSELF $28 MILLION SHORT. SO, USING YOUR HEAD, YOUR HEART, AND YOUR GUT, AS MY GRANDMAMA WOULD SAY, THAT'S A NO. PLEASE VOTE NO. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, MR. TUCKER. ALMA STUDER. >> I HOPE YOU SEE MY T-SHIRT. BLAME IT ALL ON MY ROOTS. HELLO. MY NAME IS ALMA STUDER. I RESIDE IN NUECES COUNTY. MAY I BEGIN? >> Mayor Guajardo: YES, MA'AM. >> THANK YOU. IT IS IN REGARD TO ITEM 26-0218, THE $28 MILLION FOR GROUNDWATER RIGHTS. APOLOGIES. IF EXISTING ELECTED OFFICIALS DO NOT TAKE CARE OF THE PEOPLE, IT IS TIME TO ELECT THOSE WHO WILL PROTECT WATER FOR THE PEOPLE. MY FAMILY RUNS A SMALL HERD OF CATTLE ON CO COUNTY ROADS 81 AND 79. OUR RANCH AND FARM HAS SURVIVED DANGEROUS WITH LIVING IN THE COUNTRY. WE NOW RISK LOSING IT, NOT TO LACK OF HARD WORK AND DEDICATION BUT TO AN OVER-REACHING GOVERNMENT ENTITY. THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI. THE WATER PURCHASE WILL DAMAGE OUR WATER WELLS AND YOU KNOW IT. ONCE OUR WATER IS DAMAGED, YOU WILL HAVE PRE-MEDTATIVELY DESTROYED OUR WAY OF LIFE, OUR PROPERTY VALUES. YOU ARE SPENDING OVER $11,000 AN ACRE FOR WATER RIGHTS ALONE. CITIES IN TEXAS CAN FAIL. THE CITY CLAIMS TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR BUT WILL NOT HESITATE TO DESTROY OUR ONLY SOURCE OF WATER, OUR WELLS, BY OVERPUMPING THE AQUIFER THAT ALL RURAL RESIDENTS, RANCHERS, AND FARMERS DEPEND ON. YOU HAVE ALREADY DAMAGED SOME WELLS. A FAMILY MEMBER HAD A WELL FROM THE '30S THAT NEVER STOPPED FLOWING UNTIL YOU STARTED PUMPING FROM THE EASTERN WELLS. YOU HAVE ALREADY DESTROYED THE HILLCREST COMMUNITY AND CAUSED THE CITY OF ROBSTOWN TO DRINK WATER WITH ARSENIC AS A DIRECT RESULT OF PUMPING WATER INTO THE NUECES RIVER. YOU KNEW IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN BEFORE YOU DID IT AND YOU DID IT ANYWAY. THAT MAKES YOU CULPABLE AND LIABLE. YOUR ACTIONS DEMONSTRATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SACRIFICE THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTY IN SAN PATRICIO FOR FOREIGN INVESTORS. STOP. IT'S TIME, IT'S WAY OVERDUE FOR THE CITY TO CANCEL CONTRACTS FOR CONVENIENCE WITH HIGH-VOLUME WATER USERS. PREVIOUS COUNCILS SHOULD HAVE NEVER BURDENED US. EVERYBODY KNEW WE LIVED IN A SEMI-ARID AREA AND DID IT ANYWAY. I PROPOSE FUTURE LAWS WILL MAKE IT SO AS WELL AS MAKE IT RETROACTIVE. THIS CITY HAS SPENT TOO MUCH TIME TAKING CARE OF INDUSTRY INSTEAD OF THE RESIDENTS AT TAXPAYERS' EXPENSE. GFV IS HALF OWNED BY -- THAT'S THE GULF COAST VENTURES, IS HALF OWNED BY A SAUDI COMPANY. THEY CAN BUILD THEIR OWN DESAL PLANT FOR THEMSELVES AND THE REST OF INDUSTRY. SAUDI ARABIA CAN AFFORD IT. THE KING IS ALREADY PROVIDING $2 BILLION. PERFECT. DAMN. ANYWAY, I KNOW MEMORIES ARE SHORT. 15 OF THE 19 HIJACKERS ON 9/11 >> Mayor Guajardo: BROOK OFMAN. >> THANK YOU. MR. CITY MANAGER, NICE TO SEE YOU TODAY. I THOUGHT AN ITEM MIGHT BE PULLED FROM CONSENT, SO THIS IS ME SAYING THANK YOU. FIRST READING TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE TO AMEND THE EXISTING FINANCE. >> City Secretary: EXCUSE ME. CAN YOU. >> BROOK HOFFMAN VISIT CORPUS CHRISTI. WE'RE PUTTING ALMOST 80,000 ROOM MIGHTS IN THE MARKET TO DRIVE JOB, RESOURCE, IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO KNOW THERE'S A PATH FORWARD IS CRITICAL FOR OUR INDUSTRY. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU. WE DID HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH MOST OF OUR HOTELIERS, THEY'RE IN SUPPORT TO, SO WITH THAT, MAYOR. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU AND THANKS FOR ALL YOU DID. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. ROBIN COX. >> HI, I'M ROBIN COX, DISTRICT 3, AND, YOU KNOW, I GET STOPPED ALL THE TIME AND PEOPLE ASK ME, ARE YOU A LITTLE AFRAID TO COME UP TO COUNCIL AND TALK? AND LIKE I SAID, NO ONE SHOULD EVER BE AFRAID FOR THEIR BUSINESS, FOR THEIR HOME, FOR THEIR SAFETY, BECAUSE THEY'RE COMING UP TO SPEAK AT COUNCIL. WE CAN'T REALLY RUN THIS LIKE 1793 FRANCE, FOR MARIE ANTOINETTE THAT DIDN'T WORK OUT TOO WELL FOR HER, BUT JUST TAKE NOTE OF THAT. I WAS LOOKING OVER SOME THINGS AND GOING BACK TO THE HOTEL ISSUE, AND WE CAN'T -- I KNOW WE HAVE A WATER ISSUE, BUT WE CAN'T OVERLOOK POSSIBLE FRAUD, BECAUSE IF YOU'LL TELL A LITTLE WHITE LIE, THE LIES WILL KEEP GOING. WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THE CITY IS WE'RE LITERALLY PICKING WINNERS AND LOSERS. WHEN YOU START ON THIRD BASE, IT'S PRETTY EASY TO HIT A HOME RUN. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVEN'T PLAYED SPORTS, THIRD BASE IS THE ONE YOU'RE ABOUT TO GET TO WHEN YOU MAKE A HOME RUN. AND IF YOU GIVE SOMEBODY $2 MILLION, THAT GIVES THEM A PRETTY GOOD START. AND A LOT OF THEM ARE SAYING THAT, WELL, WE'VE GOT TO SAY THEY'RE INNOCENT AFTER ALL THEIR LAWYERS SHOWED UP, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE EVER HAD THEIR LAWYER SHOWED U UP. I'VE NEVER HAD A LAWYER SHOW UP ON MY BEHALF UNLESS YOU PAY THEM A PRETTY GOOD PENNY. HOW MANY CRIMINALS OR DONE SOMETHING WRONG HAS DONE AN ENTIRE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION. IF WE'RE GOING TO DO A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION TO SAY SOMEBODY'S INNOCENT, WE NEED TO SEE BOTH SIDES. WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHY ALYSSA NO LONGER -- REFUSED TO SHOW UP FOR HER DEPOSITION. WE NEED EVERY COUNCILMEMBER THAT SIGNED AND VOTED FOR THAT HOMEWARD SUITES TO COME UP, EVEN SECRET SQUIRREL OVER AT THE COUNTY NEEDS TO COME DOWN AND SAY WHY HE'S NOT COMING. YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GETTING PAID TO SAY SOMETHING IS RIGHT, WELL, WHEN SOMEONE'S GETTING PAID FOR SOMETHING, AND IF YOU BELIEVE THAT LAWYER IS SAYING IT JUST OUT OF THE GOODNESS OF HIS HEART, WELL, THEN YOU'RE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO GO TO A STRIP BAR AND BELIEVES THAT A GENTLEMEN'S CLUB AND BELIEVES THAT GIRL REALLY WANTS TO BE YOUR GIRLFRIEND. NO, YOU'RE PAYING THEM. THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE. I KNOW IT'S ELECTION TIME AND WE'RE GOING TO GET PROMISED THINGS LIKE THE BASS PRO SHOP. MAYBE THE BASS PRO SHOP KNEW SOMETHING, MAYBE THEY KNEW WE WERE GOING TO GET DESAL AND OUR WATERS WUR GOING TO STINK AND WE WERE NOT GOING TO GET FISH ANYWAY. I'M RUNNING LATE. YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN I'M GOING TO BE ON TEA TIME OR SOMETHING. SO LIKE I SAID, IF YOU'RE GOING TO BRING CASES, YOU NEED TO BRING BOTH. I GOT STOPPED THE OTHER DAY, EVEN BY SOME OF THE ATTORNEYS HERE, ARE YOU BEING MEAN TO MY CLIENT? DO YOU JUST NOT LIKE MY CLIENT? I DON'T KNOW SOME OF YOU WELL ENOUGH TO NOT LIKE YOU, BUT I KNOW I DON'T LIKE THE LAW TO BE BROKEN. AND FRAUD IS A CRIMINAL CASE. SO IF YOU DON'T WANT YOUR FEELINGS HURT AND I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO GO IN FRONT OF -- MAYBE GO WHERE THE BISHOP'S GETTING SWORN IN, GET ALL DRESSED UP, I'M A CATHOLIC TOO. I GOT CORNERED. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. >> ONE LAST WORD, IF YOU'RE GOING TO SLEEP WITH THE DEVIL, DON'T EXPECT JESUS TO PAY THE RENT. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. DR. ARAIZA? >> ISABEL ARAIZA, DISTRICT 2, COFOUNDER OF FOR THE GREATER GOOD. RECENTLY FOR THE GREATER GOOD AND TEXAS CAMPAIGN FOR THE ENVIRONMENT LAUNCHED THE WATER PETITION. OUR GOAL IS TO COLLECT SIGNATURES TO GET THIS AMENDMENT ON THE BALLOT SO WE CAN VOTE FOR IT IN NOVEMBER. THE FAIR WATER AMENDMENT BASICALLY MANDATES AN END TO THE DROUGHT EXTENSION FEES. FOR YEARS FOR THE GREATER GOOD HAS BEEN ADVOCATING AN END TO THE DROUGHT EXEMPTION FEE. BECAUSE OUR WESTERN WATER RESERVOIRS ARE MORE THAN 90% EMPTY AND BECAUSE CITY STAFF AND ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE REFUSING TO END THE DROUGHT EXEMPTION, WE'RE TAKING MATTERS INTO OUR OWN HANDS. IF WE END THE EXEMPTION, WE COULD LOTZ OUT ON $6 MILLION A YEAR WE GET FROM THE EXEMPTION FEE, BUT THAT'S CHUMP CHANGE COMPARED TO THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE COULD COLLECT FROM THE DROUGHT SURCHARGE FEE THAT HIGH WATER VOLUME USERS ARE USING. LET ME USE GULF VENTURES TO ILLUSTRATE MY POINT. ACCORDING TO A CHANNEL THREE NEWS REPORT FROM 2024, THEY USED 12.5 MILLION-GALLONS OF WATER A DAY. THAT MEANS IN 30 DAYS THEY WOULD HAVE PAID AN EXTRA $116,250 TO THE WATER DEPARTMENT. IN A YEAR, THAT DROUGHT EXEMPTION FEE WOULD HAVE RAISED LESS THAN $1.4 MILLION. BUT THAT MONEY IS EAR MARKED FOR FUTURE NEW WATER PROJECTS FOR INDUSTRY, LIKE THE PROPOSED DESAL PLANT OR THE EVANGELINE WELLS. WE CAN'T USE THAT MONEY FOR ANYTHING ELSE. ACCORDING TO THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN, AT DROUGHT STAGE 3, WHICH WE'VE BEEN AT FOR OVER A YEAR, NONEXEMPT HIGH VOLUME WATER USERS WOULD HAVE TO PAY A SURCHARGE FEE OF 6,000 PER 1,000-GALLONS OVER THEIR ALLOTMENT WHICH IS 12.9 MILLION TBAL A LONS A AMOUNT OR ABOUT 450,000-GALLONS A DAY. THAT WOULD COME TO ABOUT $2.2 MILLION IN SURCHARGE FEE PER MONTH, OR OVER $26 MILLION IN A YEAR. THE AMOUNT WE WOULD COLLECT FROM THE DROUGHT SURCHARGE FEE IN ONE MONTH FROM EXXON'S GULF COAST VENTURES IS MORE THAN WE WOULD COLLECT IN THE DROUGHT EXEMPTION FEE. NOW, MIND YOU, THERE ARE 15 CORPORATIONS THAT ARE PAYING THE 31 CENT EXEMPTION FEE INSTEAD OF PAYING THE $6 SURCHARGE FEE. THE FAIR WATER AMENDMENT PROPOSES TO END THE DROUGHT EXEMPTION FEE AND REQUIRE INDUSTRIAL USES TO PAY THE DROUGHT SURCHARGE FEE IF THEY GO OVER THEIR MONTHLY ALLOTMENT, AND YOU DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THE IMPACT THE DROUGHT SURCHARGE FEES HAVE ON EXXON, THEY CAN AFFORD IT. IN 2025, EXXON, THE COMPANY THAT OWNS GULF KOAT GROWTH VINURES REPORTED MAKING $29 MILLION IN NET PROFITS, THE INCREASED WATER COST IS LESS THAN 110TH OF ONE% OF THEIR NET PROFITS. THEY CAN AFFORD A WATER BILL. IF THEY DON'T WANT TO PAY THAT, THEY CAN USE LESS WATER OR DEVELOP MORE ROBUST CONSERVATION OR REUSE PRACTICES. EITHER OF THOSE OPTIONS ARE OF GREAT CONSEQUENCES FOR US. PEOPLE CAN GO TO FAIR WATER AMOUNT.COM OR TO FOR THE GREATER GOOD GROUP PAGE TO SEE WHERE TO SIGN THE PETITION AND GET INVOLVED. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, DR. ARISER. AND THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC COMMENT. I THINK WE HAVE ONE WEBEX. IS SHE ON? IFICATION. >> City Secretary: YES, I BELIEVE MRS. SANDRA LOVE SANCHEZ IS ONLINE -- OR ON THE PHONE. >> MRS. SANCHEZ, IF YOU CAN HEAR US, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF. >> HELLO? >> City Secretary: HI THERE. WE CAN HEAR YOU. GO AHEAD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND YOU CAN GIVE YOUR COMMENT. >> OH, OKAY. YEAH, THE WEBEX IS GLITCHY, IT JUST CUT ME OUT. OKAY. SORRY ABOUT THAT. ARE Y'ALL ABLE TO HEAR ME, CORRECT? >> City Secretary: YES, WE'RE READY FOR YOU. >> HELLO? OH OKAY. MY NAME IS SANDRA LOVE SANCHEZ, I'M A FOUNDING MEMBER OF THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE OF THE COASTAL BEND AND I'M THE ENVIRONMENTAL LIAISON FOR THE CARANCAHUA [INDISCERNIBLE] I'M TALKING ABOUT OUR WATER ISSUES OF DESAL LOCK-IN CONTRACTS AND SO WHAT THAT IS GOING TO CREATE A SERIOUS RISK FOR OUR CITY, AS Y'ALL HAVE BEEN BEING TOLD, AND I FEEL THAT Y'ALL HAVE NOT USED Y'ALL'S FULL AUTHORITY, AND I'LL EXPLAIN THAT IN A FEW. SO THE CITY HASN'T USED ITS FULL AUTHORITY TO MANAGE WATER USE DURING LOW WATER CONDITIONS. DESALINATION IS BEING FRAMED AS A SOLUTION TO WATER SCARCITY. THE PROBLEM IS NOT SIMPLY THAT THE CITY LACKS WATER, THE PROBLEM IS HOW WATER IS BEING ALLOCATED AND PRIORITIZED. RESIDENTS ARE ASKED TO CONSERVE, PAY MORE, AND ACCEPT SACRIFICE WHILE THE OIL AND GAS INDUSTRY CONTINUES TO RELY ON EXPANDING SUPPLY RATHER THAN REDUCING DEMAND. SO DESALINATION SHIFTS THE COSTS AND RISKS ON TO COMMUNITIES AND RATEPAYERS INSTEAD OF ADDRESSING THE IMBALANCE THAT'S HAPPENING. SO THIS IS BACKWARDS. ADVANCING DESAL BEFORE REDUCTIONS, CAPS OR ENFORCEABLE ACCOUNT BILITYD ARE IN PLACE, NECESSARY LOCKS IN OUR CITY INTO DECADES OF FINANCIAL OBLIGATION AND ENVIRONMENTAL HARM. SO THERE IS AN MEDIAL TERNTIVE AVAILABLE AND I'M GOING TO BE SENDING THAT TO Y'ALL. WHAT OUR TRIBE IS ASKING IS AS COUNCIL TO ADOPT AN IMMEDIATE ORDINANCE THAT I WILL BE SENDING AS I MENTIONED AND YOU ALL WILL BETTER UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S NECESSARY RIGHT NOW AND IT'S ALSO ALLOWING Y'ALL TO USE Y'ALL'S FULL AUTHORITY. IT WILL RESTRICT AND PRIORITIZE WATER USE NOW FROM THE HEAVIEST WATER USERS, AND I UNDERSTAND ORDINANCE CAN BE DISSOLVED AND THEY CAN BE AMENDED. THAT DOES NOT WEAKEN THEM, THOUGH. IT MAKES THEM A PRECISE TOOL THAT IS URGENT RIGHT NOW DUE TO WHAT WE'RE FACING. SO THE ORDINANCE THAT OUR TRIBE HAS CREATED, IT'S GOING TO DEMONSTRATE THE CITY IS EXERCISING ITS FULL AUTHORITY TO REDUCE DEMAND. IT'S SAFEGUARDING THE CITY FROM FORESEEABLE LEGAL AND FINANCIAL EXPOSURE, AND IT'S CREATING TIME FOR US TO DEVELOP ENFORCEABLE CAPS AND EXEMPTIONS WHILE WATER LEVELS ARE ALREADY LOW. SO FAILURE TO LEVERAGE A POTENTIAL ORDINANCE SOLUTION NOW IS NOT -- IT'S -- I'M SORRY, FAILURE TO LEVERAGE A POTENTIAL ORDINANCE SOLUTION EXERCISE YOUR AUTHORITY IS NOT NEUTRAL. IT'S A DECISION AND IT CARRIES CONSEQUENCES, SO I'M STATE THIS FOR PUBLIC RECORD. IF THIS COUNCIL CONTINUES ADVANCING DESALINATION WITHOUT USING ALL THE AVAILABLE DEMAND REDUCTION AUTHORITY IT HAS, THE CITY OPENS ITSELF TO LIABILITY UNDER STATE AND FEDERAL LAW INCLUDING WATER QUALITY PROTECTIONS, ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE, OBLIGATIONS AND PUBLIC TRUST RESPONSIBILITIES. ONCE THESE RISKS ARE IDENTIFIED AND THEY HAVE BEEN ALREADY, THEY'RE NO LONGER SPECULATIVE. THEY'RE KNOWN. YOU ALL KNOW. SO GOVERNMENTAL AUTHORITY NO LONGER HAS IMMUNITY. THERE'S CONSEQUENCES FOR KNOWING WHAT'S GOING TO BE HAPPENING. SO PROCEEDING AFTER NOTICES OF HARM NOT ONLY TRANSFERS A RESPONSIBILITY TO THE CITY AND THE FUTURE COUNCIL, IT ALSO DEEPENS HARM TO ALREADY VULNERABLE COMMUNITIES. >> City Secretary: THROUGH MRS. SANCHEZ, THAT COMPLETES YOUR TIME. >> I'LL BE SENDING Y'ALL THE ORDINANCE. THANK YOU. >> City Secretary: MAYOR, THAT CONCLUDES OUR LIST. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. SO WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS, 6, 8, 9 AND 10 WERE PULLED. THE FIRST ITEM NUMBER 6 IS AN ORDINANCE ANNEXING 109-POINT -- 109-ACRE TRACT OF LAND LOCATED ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF FM 2244 OR STAPLES STREET, AND THIS WAS PULLED BY COUNCILWOMAN VAUGHN? COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ, GO AHEAD. >> Hernandez: OKAY. I'M OKAY WITH THE ANNEXATION; HOWEVER, LAST WEEK, AND MR. DYESS, YOU WERE THERE AT THE PRESENTATION AT THE LONDON BUSINESS ASSOCIATION AND THEY RECENTLY ANNEXED A LARGE PORTION OF THE LONDON AREA INTO THEIR ESD. DOES THAT PORTION INCLUDE THIS TRACT OF LAND? >> Dice: I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK. I WASN'T PREPARED FOR THAT ANSWER. BUT THIS WILL BE SERVICED BY CCFD. >> Hernandez: OKAY. SO I LOOKED AT THE ORDINANCE AND THERE WAS NO LANGUAGE DEANNEXING ESD1 IF THAT WAS THE CASE. SO I DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE SITUATION LIKE THEY HAVE UP IN NORTHWEST CORPUS CHRISTI OR THE FLOUR BLUFF AND THE ISLAND WHERE THEY'RE GETTING DOUBLE TAXED FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES. >> Dice: YEAH. >> Hernandez: SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S LANGUAGE OR IS THERE SOME SORT OF AMENDMENT THAT WE NEED TO INCLUDE IN THE ANNEXATION THAT DEANNEXES ESD1 FROM THIS PROPERTY? IF NOT, IF THAT'S NOT THE CASE, THEN WE NEED -- I WOULD PUT THIS -- POSTPONE THIS UNTIL NEXT WEEK UNTIL WE CAN GET THAT LANGUAGE REFLECTIVE OF THAT, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IN THE -- YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE WE HAVE COMMENTS FROM MILES ON THIS, BUT -- GO AHEAD. >> SO STATE LAW JUST CHANGED THIS LAST LEGISLATIVE CYCLE THAT WHEN A CITY ANNEXES AN AREA THAT IS ALREADY COVERED BY AN ESD, WE HAVE TO SUBMIT A SERVICE PLAN TO THE ESD BOARD SAYING HOW WE WILL PROVIDE SERVICE FOR FIRE AND EMS. THE ESD BOARD GETS TO REVIEW THAT PLAN, AND THEN THEY SEE IF WE CAN PROVIDE EQUAL OR GREATER THAN COVERAGE. AT THAT POINT, THEN THE ESD BOARD CAN REMOVE THAT LAND. OTHERWISE, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT WITH STATE STATUTE TO EITHER CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT AND TAX AND SERVICE. SO STATE LAW JUST RECENTLY CHANGED ON THAT. >> Hernandez: I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT I KNOW ESD1, AND THEY'RE GOING TO TRY AND GET EVERY CENT THEY CAN. AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DEANNEX VOLUNTARILY. HAVE WE HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH ESD1 ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY? >> WE JUST GOT NOTIFIED OF THAT, SO WE HAVE TO NOW BUILD THE SERVICE PLAN TO BE ABLE TO SUBMIT TO THEM AND BE IN LINE WITH THE NEW STATE LAW. SO THAT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO WORK ON AND SUBMIT TO THEM. >> Hernandez: OKAY. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT HAS TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL? >> I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT HAS TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL, BECAUSE, AGAIN, STATE LAW ALLOWS US -- LIKE IF WE SUBMIT A PLAN AND OUR RESPONSE TIMES ARE NOT GOING TO BE EQUAL TO OR BETTER THAN WITH STATE LAW, THEY GET TO HAVE THAT OVERLAPPING JURISDICTION IN WHICH THEY CAN CONTINUE TO TAX AND CONTINUE TO RESPOND EVEN THOUGH IT'S IN A CITY LIMITS. >> Hernandez: OKAY. SO THEY DON'T HAVE ANY FIRE STATIONS ANYWHERE NEAR THIS AREA? >> NOPE. >> Hernandez: SO THERE'S NO WAY THAT THAT WOULD BE THE CASE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE BETTER FIRE PROTECTION. I BELIEVE THE CLOSEST STATION IS 17'S, TO THAT SPOT. HOWEVER, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T WANT TO PUT US IN A POSITION WHERE WE HAVE TO GO INTO A LAWSUIT OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. >> I DON'T BELIEVE SO. WHAT WE WORKED WITH RYAN ON WITH LANGUAGE WHEN THIS CAME UP WHEN WE SAW IT, ONE, WHEN WE SUBMIT THAT SERVICE PLAN TO THE EESD BOARD, IF THEY DISAGREE FOR WHATEVER REASON, WE ALSO HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO TO ARBITRATION WITH IT. I DON'T NECESSARILY SEE IT, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE PROBABLY STRAIGHT UP WITH RESPONSE TIMES AND THE SERVICE THAT WE PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, ALS, MEDIC UNITS AND FIRE, BUT THIS IS GOING TO BE PROBABLY ONE OF THE FIRST IN THE STATE IN WHICH THIS NEW LAW THAT TOOK EFFECT IS GOING TO BE SUBMITTED TO WITH THE SERVICE PLAN TO THE ESD TO BE ABLE TO REMOVE THAT OFF THEIR TAXING AND THEIR JURISDICTION. >> Hernandez: OKAY. MR. ZANONI, ON THIS ONE FOR FUTURE ORDINANCES, WE NEED -- I'M SORRY. FOR FUTURE ORDINANCES, WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE SOME SORT OF LANGUAGE THAT INCLUDES THAT ASPECT, ESPECIALLY NOW SINCE THEY'RE -- YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOW SUPPOSEDLY COVERING THE LONDON AREA. I DON'T WANT THE CITIZENS OF DISTRICT 5 TO BE DOUBLE TAXED FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES. >> Zanoni: RIGHT. UNDERSTOOD COUNCILMAN. WE DO HAVE ON THE AGENDA THAT WENT OUT FOR NEXT TUESDAY, THERE'S A SMALL PARCEL BEING ANNEXED THAT WE'LL HAVE TO UPDATE THAT MEMO FOR TOMORROW. >> Hernandez: OKAY. AND I'M NOT OPPOSED -- IF THEY REFUSED, TO FILE A LAWSUIT ON THIS BECAUSE IT'S JUST -- IT'S WRONG TO DOUBLE TAX PEOPLE FOR THE SAME SERVICE. >> Chief Wade: AND, AGAIN, I THINK THERE'S A STEP EVEN BEFORE THAT WHICH WE GOT WRITTEN INTO THE LAW, WHICH WAS TO GO TO AN ARBITRATOR, FOR THEM TO LOOK AT WHAT OUR SERVICE PLAN IS AND WHAT THEIR SERVICE PLAN WOULD BE, SO I THINK THERE'S A STEP BEFORE WE GET TO A LAWSUIT WITH THAT. >> Hernandez: OKAY. WELL, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE THE CITIZENS DOUBLE TAXED. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Guajardo: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR VOTE. OKAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. THE NEXT ITEM PULLED WAS ITEM NUMBER 8, THIS IS A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING A THREE-YEAR SERVICE AGREEMENT BASED ON A BEST VALUE PROPOSAL WITH ALLIED UNIVERSAL SECURITY SERVICES. AND THIS WAS COUNCILWOMAN PAXSON? >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, JUAN RIVERA. >> Paxson: HI. GOOD AFTERNOON. I HAD A QUICK QUESTION. I WAS LOOKING AT THE EVALUATION MATRIX, AND THAT FIRST CATEGORY, MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS, I NOTICED THAT ALL -- WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONE CHECKMARK ON ONE BIDDER, ALL OF THEM HAD BASICALLY THE SAME -- >> CERTIFICATIONS AND LICENSES TO PROVIDE SECURITY. >> Paxson: RIGHT, BUT THERE WERE ONLY POINT VALUES ISSUED TO ONE OR TWO, SO I WAS WONDERING HOW -- HOW THEY WERE ALL THE SAME IN THAT CATEGORY AND THEY DIDN'T GET EQUAL WEIGHTED POINTS. >> SO THAT'S JUST A STANDARD -- AND I HAVE PROCUREMENT HERE, BUT THAT'S JUST A STANDARD, DO THEY MEET THESE QUALIFICATIONS TO GO INTO THE PROPOSAL EVALUATION PROCESS. SO THAT ESSENTIALLY ELIMINATED THAT ONE ENTITY DIDN'T HAVE THE APPROPRIATE LICENSES AND CERTIFICATIONS TO PROVIDE SECURITY. >> Paxson: SO THE FIRST THREE, ALL OF THEM ARE PASS IN EVERY CATEGORY. THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE, BECAUSE THEY'RE PASS OR FAIL. >> YES, MA'AM. >> Paxson: ON THE FIRST BIDDER, THE ONE THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING, THEY RECEIVED FIVE-POINT VALUE FOR HAVING ALL PASSING SCORES. THE OTHERS ALL RECEIVED 0. >> YES, MA'AM. SO THAT'S MORE OF A PROCUREMENT QUESTION FOR THEIR PROCESS. I HAVE PROCUREMENT HERE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. THANK YOU. >> Paxson: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> CLARISSA JOHNSON, INTERIM CONTRACTS AND PROCUREMENT. >> Paxson: GOOD AFTERNOON. >> COULD YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION? >> Paxson: YES. ABSOLUTELY. SO I WAS LOOKING AT OUR EVALUATION MATRIX, THE FIRST CATEGORY FOR QUALIFICATION THRESHOLDS UNDER MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS IS A PASS OR FAIL SCORE. >> CORRECT. >> Paxson: ALL OF THEM HAD ALMOST IDENTICAL PASSING SCORES, ONE, THERE WAS ONE DISCREPANCY, BUT THAT'S NOT IN THE TOP THREE. >> RIGHT. >> Paxson: ALL TOP THREE HAD IDENTICAL PASSING SCORES. >> YES. >> Paxson: MY CURIOSITY IS, THE COMPANY THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING RECEIVED FIVE POINTS FOR PASSING ALL CATEGORIES. THE OTHER TWO, WITH IDENTICAL CHECKMARKS, DID NOT RECEIVE POINTS. SO WHEN I DROP DOWN TO THE TOTAL POINTS, THAT'S WHERE ALL OF THAT ACTUALLY MAKES A DIFFERENCE. >> THE FIVE POINTS THAT YOU'RE SEEING, THAT IS FOR LOCAL PREFERENCE, I BELIEVE. >> Zanoni: YEAH, COUNCILWOMAN, IF YOU LOOK -- IT'S A SMALLER GRAPH, SO IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO CATCH IT, BUT THE PASS/FAIL IS SEPARATED BY ANOTHER BROWN LINE, AND THEN LOCAL PREFERENCE IS THE NEXT CATEGORY OF CONSIDERATION, AND YOU CAN GET 10 POINTS -- UP TO 10 POINTS IF YOU HAVE LOCAL -- IF YOU'RE LOCAL. >> Paxson: OKAY. THANK YOU. >> Zanoni: SO THE FIVE POINTS IS NOT FOR THE PASS/FAIL, IT'S FOR LOCAL PREFERENCE. >> RIGHT. YOU JUST CAN'T CLEARLY SEE THAT, BUT I DAISHZ. >> Paxson: THANK YOU. IT WAS COVERED BY A PAGE NUMBER, I APOLOGIZE. MY NEXT QUESTION, WITH THIS BEING SUCH A LARGE PROCUREMENT, AND I UNDERSTAND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, ASSET PROTECTION, IS THIS -- IS THE DESITIONZ TO OUTSOURCE THAT BECAUSE OF OUR RESOURCES INTERNALLY? WHAT WOULD BE THE PRICE DIFFERENCE? IS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO -- >> THAT WOULD REQUIRE A SEPARATE COST ANALYSIS. >> Zanoni: YEAH, COUNCILWOMAN, THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE -- WE HAVE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND -- BUT WE DON'T HAVE SECURITY GUARDS ON -- IN OUR ORGANIZATION. I DON'T THINK ANY -- I DON'T THINK MANY CITIES DO, SO THE OPTION WOULD BE IF WE WANTED TO USE CCPD AS THE SECURITY GUARD, THE COST WOULD BE PROBABLY DOUBLE THE AMOUNT, MAYBE EVEN MORE. >> MINIMUM, YEAH. >> Zanoni: SO THE OPTIONS IS THAT MANY CITIES USE IS A SECURITY SERVICE, THAT'S A VERY -- IT'S A LESSER COST TO PROVIDE SIMILAR SERVICE. >> Paxson: OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THOSE POINTS. >> Zanoni: YOU'RE WELCOME. >> MOVE TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR VOTE. THE MOTION CARRIES. NEXT ITEM PULLED WAS ITEM NUMBER 9, THAT IS A MOTION AUTHORIZING THE APPROVAL OF CHANGE ORDER NUMBER 4 WITH CSA CONSTRUCTION FOR THE OSO WATER RECLAMATION PLANT. WHO PULLED THIS ONE? COUNCILWOMAN VAUGHN? >> Vaughn: GOOD MORNING. I'M FOR THE PROJECT, I JUST -- I HATE CHANGE ORDERS BECAUSE IT JUST SHOOTS IT UP IN THE ROOF, SO I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL AMOUNT FOR THE PROJECT? HOW MUCH IS THIS ADDING? AND TELL ME WHY, BECAUSE IT SAYS THE CHANGE WAS DUE TO A CONFLICT BETWEEN THE SPECIFICATIONS IN THE PLANS, HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN? >> Edmonds: SO THERE'S THREE THINGS THAT ARE COVERED UNDER DER THIS CHANGE ORDER. THIS IS $110 MILLION CONTRACT, THIS IS THE FIRST CHANGE ORDER THAT'S ACTUALLY CHANGED THE CONTRACT VALUE. THE ROOF STRUCTURE OF THE SOLIDS HANDLING BUILDING WHERE WE'RE PUTTING NEW SLEDGE DEWATERING EQUIPMENT IN THIS BUILDING, AND THE STRUCTURE HOLDING UP THE ROOF, STRUCTURAL STEEL IS HIGHLY CORRODED AND CCW ACTUALLY IS CONCERNED HAVING PEOPLE WORK IN THE BUILDING. SO THIS WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE SCOPE OF WORK. IT WAS DETERMINED DURING CONSTRUCTION THAT WE REALLY HAVE TO REPLACE THIS. IT'S NOT JUST THE COATING, THIS IS A STRUCTURE AND THE ENTIRE ROOF. THAT'S THE ONE PART OF THIS. ANOTHER PART IS SOME PIPING IN ONE OF THE BASINS THAT WAS ASSUMED TO BE OKAY, AFTER THEY GOT IT DRAINED DURING CONSTRUCTION, THEY REALIZED THAT THAT NEEDED TO BE REPLACED. SO THAT WAS $688,000 OF THIS. AND THEN WE'RE ALSO REPLENISHING THE ALLOWANCE, THIS WAS BID WITH JUST A MILLION DOLLARS ALLOWANCE, WHICH HAS BEEN USED, AND SO THAT WILL GIVE US SOME MORE WIGGLE ROOM THAT WE CAN EXECUTE CHANGE ORDERS WITHOUT HAVING TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL. SO ALL TOLD, THE CHANGE ORDERS -- THIS CHANGE IS 3.2% OF THE CONTRACT VALUE. WE HAVE A TARGET TO TRY AND BE UNDER 3%, SO WE'RE A LITTLE BIT OVER THAT ON THIS, BUT ON OUR AGGREGATE, WE'RE AVERAGING LIKE 2.5%. >> Vaughn: OKAY. ARE YOU EXPECTING MORE CHANGE ORDERS THEN? >> Edmonds: WELL, WE THINK THAT ALLOWANCE WOULD BE SUFFICIENT TO GET THIS TO THE FINISH LINE, SO THAT WAS THE NUMBER THAT WE CAME UP WITH. YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN UNDER CONSTRUCTION SINCE MID 2024, SO WE'VE -- WE'RE KIND OF FAMILIAR WITH MOST OF WHAT WE THINK MIGHT CAUSE PROBLEMS OUT THERE. >> Vaughn: YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ? >> Hernandez: JEFF, DO YOU KNOW HOW OLD THIS BUILDING IS? >> Edmonds: I BELIEVE 1980. >> Hernandez: 1980. >> Edmonds: IS THAT -- OH, SORRY. 2013 HE SAID. >> Hernandez: 2013 WAS WHEN THIS BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED? >> Edmonds: YES. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TELLING ME. >> Lerm >> Hernandez: SO THIS BUILDING IS LESS THAN 20 YEARS OLD IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? >> WEST ANY NEPGIN, DIRECTOR OF WATER SYSTEMS INFRASTRUCTURE. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IT WAS BETWEEN 2010 AND 2013 THAT THE BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED. >> Hernandez: SO WE'RE REPLACING A 13-YEAR-OLD BUILDING? >> YES. AND I THINK JEFF COULD SPEAK -- DA IT'S THE ROOF STRUCTURE OF THE BUILDING AND JEFF, I THINK, CAN SPEAK TO -- >> Edmonds: WELL, SO WHAT WE SUSPECT IS GOING ON THERE, SINCE ABOUT THAT TIME, ABOUT 2013, WE HAVE BEEN DOING BREAK POINT CHLORINATION OVER THERE TO MEET PERMIT, WHICH WE'RE USING CHEMICAL, BECAUSE THE PLANT ITSELF COULDN'T REDUCE THE AMMONIA TO THE LEVELS REQUIRED BY THE PERMIT. NOW, THEY'RE USING THAT RECYCLED WATER IN THE SLEDGE DEWATERING PROCESS, AND THE FEELING IS THAT THE OFFGASING OF THE HIGH CHLORINE THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN THE EFFLUENT IS WHAT'S ACCELERATED THE CORROSION OF THE STEEL IN THAT STRUCTURE. >> Hernandez: OKAY. SO WHEN WAS THIS INITIALLY NOTICED THAT THE CORROSION WAS BEING CREATED AND THE REASON I'M ASKING THIS AND THIS IS KIND OF THE CRUX OF WHAT I'VE BEEN FIGHTING FOR THE ENTIRE TIME I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL IS A MAINTENANCE PROGRAM, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO REDO A 13-YEAR-OLD BUILDING, SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE THIS ISSUE. SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO SPEND $3 MILLION ON A CHANGE ORDER TO REPLACE A ROOF THAT'S, YOU KNOW, LESS THAN -- YOU KNOW, THAT'S 13 YEARS OLD. >> SO, COUNCILMAN, MY UNDERSTANDING IS EVEN DURING THE ENGINEERING INSPECTION PROCESS, IT WASN'T SEEN BECAUSE THE CURRENT COATINGS, THE PAINT ON THE STRUCTURE ITSELF WAS HIDING THE CORROSION THAT OCCURRED IN THE ROOF STRUCTURES, SO WHEN THEY WENT TO SANDBLAST AND START CLEANING THIS TO PREP IT FOR THE ACTUAL WORK THAT WAS TO BE DONE, THE NEW ROOF SYSTEM THAT WAS GOING TO GO ON, THAT'S WHEN IT BECAME OBVIOUS. SO IT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT WAS OVERTLY NOTICEABLE PRIOR TO THIS HAPPENING. NOW, TO YOUR POINT, THEY DID -- WHEN THE CHLORINE PROCESS WENT INTO PLACE, THE BREAKPOINT CHLORINATION, THEY REALIZED THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM, AND IN 2018, THEY DID ACTUALLY INSTALL A POTABLE WATER SYSTEM TO DO THE RINSEDOWN, TO TRY TO ELIMINATE THE USE OF THAT RECLAIMED WATER IN THAT SYSTEM TO KEEP THAT OFFGASING FROM HAPPENING. >> Hernandez: OKAY. SO I'M LOOKING AT THE PICTURES, WAS THIS SANDBLASTED ON THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING? BECAUSE THIS DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S BEEN SANDBLASTED TO WHERE THIS WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN EXPOSED AND SHOWN? >> I'M NOT -- IT'S -- MY UNDERSTANDING -- I DIDN'T ACTUALLY -- >> Hernandez: CAN YOU SHOW THE PRESENTATION ON PAGE 6, OR 5 AND 6. 4, 5 AND 6. OKAY. GO TO PAGE 5. I MEAN, I DON'T THINK YOU -- I MEAN, THAT LOOKS PRETTY OBVIOUS TO ME. >> THAT'S FROM -- CORROSION IS -- DEPENDS ON THE LEVEL OF CORROSION, AGAIN, AND THAT'S WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING WAS WHEN THEY STARTED, THAT'S WHEN THEY NOTICED IT. THE CORROSION AT THIS POINT -- THIS -- WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THERE ARE THE ROOF PANELS, THOUGH, NOT THE ROOF STRUCTURE. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE REPLACING THE ROOF PANELS. THAT WAS PART OF THE PROJECT TO BEGIN WITH. >> Hernandez: WELL, YOU CAN SEE THE STRUCTURE. >> AND YOU CAN SEE SOME CORROSION ON THE BARS AS WELL, AND YOU'RE RIGHT, IT PROBABLY -- IT NEEDS MORE MAINTENANCE AND THAT'S WHERE WE WANT TO GET TO HAVE MORE MAINTENANCE CONTRACTS ON THESE BUILDINGS TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS WORK. >> Hernandez: I GET THAT. BUT IS THAT GOING TO BE INCLUDED ONCE THIS GETS REPLACED? BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO HAVE DO THIS AGAIN BECAUSE -- YOU'RE TALKING TO AN OLD NAVY GUY. >> RIGHT. >> Hernandez: WE USED TO HAVE AN OLD SAYING, ONCE OVER RUST, TWICE OVER DIRT. IT'S A JOKE. BUT YOU'VE GOT TO DO SOME -- YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT TO PAINT ON A REGULAR BASIS TO MAKE SURE YOU DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF CORROSION AND IT COMES UP. >> YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT, AND THAT'S ONE REASON WHY WE ASKED FOR THOSE ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEES THERE THE LAST BUDGET SESSION THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GET THAT.'S ONE OF THE MAIN FUNCTION OF THAT GROUP IS GOING TO BE SEALING -- >> Hernandez: THIS COULD BE CONTRACTED AS WELL. >> IT COULD. >> Hernandez: BUT IT HAS TO BE PLANNED. >> YES, SIR. >> Hernandez: YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT IN MAX MODE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF CORROSION PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE SO WE'RE NOT REPLACING A BUILDING -- I MEAN, A ROOF EVERY 13, YOU KNOW -- >> YES, SIR. >> Hernandez: THIS IS NOT -- THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE KIND OF THING. THIS COULD HAVE BEEN SEEN -- DID ANYBODY REPORT THIS BEFOREHAND? >> NOT THAT I KNOW OF, NO, SIR. >> Hernandez: OKAY. WELL, I'D ACTUALLY LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER -- WHATEVER KIND OF PLAN YOU HAVE IN MAXIMO TO PUT CR CORROSION PREVENTION. IF YOU KNOW THE PROCESS IS CORROSIVE TO YOUR BUILDING, YOU NEED TO HAVE THAT IN PLACE, EVERY FIVE YEARS, I CAN'T MAKE THAT DETERMINATION FOR YOU, BUT YOU CAN'T DO THIS AGAIN. >> RIGHT. AND WE HAVE. WE'VE ALREADY CORRECTED THE PROCESS. THAT'S -- YOU KNOW, WHERE WE WENT TO THE POTABLE SYSTEM TO TRY TO REMOVE THAT BREAKPOINT CHLORINATION. >> Hernandez: YOU'RE RIGHT ON THE COAST, YOU'RE IN A SALTY ENVIRONMENT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT CORROSION ON A METAL STRUCTURE, YOU NEED TO HAVE PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE ON ANY KIND OF METAL STRUCTURE WHERE YOU'RE DEALING WITH WATER OR SALT WATER OR LIQUIDS. >> YES, SIR. >> Hernandez: OKAY. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: I'LL ENTERTAIN -- OH, WE HAVE A MOTION. DID WE HAVE A SECOND? PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR VOTE. W >> WE DID. > >> Mayor Guajardo: YEAH, THANK YOU. OKAY. THE MOTION CARRIES AND OUR LAST ITEM PULLED IS ITEM NUMBER 10, THAT IS A MOTION AUTHORIZING CHANGE ORDER NUMBER 4 FOR JE CONSTRUCTION SERVICES FOR THE YORKTOWN BOULEVARD RODD FIELD ROAD TO OSO CREEK BRIDGE PROJECT. AND WHO PULLED -- COUNCILWOMAN PAXSON? >> Paxson: THANK YOU, MAYOR. MY QUESTION'S PRETTY MUCH ALONG THE SAME LINE AS THE OTHER ONE, WITH 900,000 IN A CHANGE ORDER, SO MAYBE SOME DESCRIPTION ON THE PERCENTAGE OF THE PROJECT. I MEAN, WHAT WE MISSED -- YEAH, THIS IS A SECTION, IT'S DESCRIBING WHERE THE CHANGE ORDES WHERE THE LANE IS GOING INTO THE NEXT SECTION OF THE ROAD. I FEEL LIKE THAT WAS FAIRLY, YOU KNOW, COMPREHENSIBLE IN THE INITIAL PART OF THE PROJECT, SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS ON THE CHANGE ORDER. >> Edmonds: SURE. SO THE PERCENTAGE QUESTION, IT'S 3.6% OF THE TOTAL PROJECT VALUE. AND THE THING THAT NECESSITATED THE CHANGE, SO IN PARALLEL WITH CONSTRUCTION OF THIS PROJECT, TXDOT HAS BEEN DESIGNING THE REPLACEMENT OF THAT BRIDGE. AND THEY'RE FINALIZING THOSE PLANS, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING IT OUT FOR BID IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS. AND THAT DESIGN IS GOING TO WIDEN THE BRIDGE, IT'S ALSO GOING TO RAISE THE BR BRIDGE. SO THAT'S INFORMATION WE DIDN'T HAVE WHEN WE DEVELOPED THE PLANS FOR THE PROJECT CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION. SO WE'RE MAKING MODIFICATION TO THAT DESIGN TO MAKE THAT CONNECT BETTER WITH THE NEW BRIDGE. AND IT'S REQUIRING SOME CHANGES TO GRADING, DRAINAGE, SLOPE PROTECTION, THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT'S THE LARGEST PART OF THAT. THE OTHER IS SOME CHANGES AT FRED'S FOLLY TO ACCOMMODATE SOME CHANGES THAT WERE JUST RECENTLY VOTED ON TO KEEP THAT ON THE UTP, SO THAT -- RATHER THAN BEING A T INTERSECTION THE WAY WE HAVE IT DESIGNED CURRENTLY, THE PLANS, IT'S GOING TO BE A FOUR-WAY INTERSECTION, SO WE'VE GOT TO ADD SIGNAL HEADS FOR THE NORTH APPROACH AND PUTTING IN A RIGHT TURN LANE TO GO NORTH BECAUSE THERE WILL BE MORE TRAFFIC ONCE WE GET THAT CONNECTED ACROSS THE CREEK, FRED'S FOLLY. >> Paxson: SO WAS THIS A PRODUCT OF UPDATED STANDARDS AND POLICIES? BECAUSE I WOULD THINK WHEN WE GO OUT TO BID FOR A PROJECT, WE HAVE IN MIND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO CREATE WITH THAT ROAD AND NOW IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE WIDENING, CHANGING, FOR MORE ANTICIPATED TRAFFIC, SO JUST KIND OF CURIOUS WHERE THE DELTA -- >> Edmonds: I'M ASSUMING THAT TXDOT IS DOING THIS FOR GOOD REASONS. NOW, TXDOT COULD HAVE DESIGNED THE BRIDGE AT THE SAME GRADE. NOW, MY GUESS, AND PUBLIC WORKS MIGHT COULD ANSWER THIS BETTER THAN I CAN -- IS THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO INCREASE THE ELEVATION SO YOU HAVE LESS RISK FROM WAVE IMPACT ON THE BRIDGE. BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION AT THE TIME THAT WE COMPLETED THESE DRAWINGS AND LET THIS CONTRACT, SO WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE THESE THINGS SO THEY WILL MEET TOGETHER, EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE -- STARTED AT DIFFERENT TIMES. >> Paxson: I APPRECIATE THE FORETHOUGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. COUNCILMA N CANTU? >> Cantu: THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'M GOING TO BE REALLY NICE, I'M JUST -- I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND ALL THESE CHANGE ORDERS, ONCE AGAIN. IT'S NO DIFFERENT FROM ME HIRING SOMEBODY AT MY HOME TO REPLACE A ROOF AND THEY COME BACK AND SAY, HEY, IT'S GOING TO COST ANOTHER $3,000. I JUST WISH, YOU KNOW -- WHAT CAN WE DO IN THESE CONTRACTS FOR THEM NOT TO COME BACK WITH CHANGE ORDERS? LIKE GIVE US A BID AND THIS IS HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST? >> Edmonds: WELL, SO IN YOUR EXAMPLE, IF YOU ASKED THE GUY TO DO YOUR ROOF AND THEN YOU TURN AROUND AND SAY, OH, I ALSO WANT THE GARAGE, AND THAT WASN'T PART OF HIS ORIGINAL PROPOSAL TO YOU, YOU KNOW, SURELY HE'S GOING TO EXPECT ADDITIONAL COMPENSATION FOR THAT AND YOU SHOULD EXPECT TO PAY THAT. >> Cantu: UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT WHEN WE GET THESE PROJECTS TO GET BID ON, I MEAN, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE WANT? >> Edmonds: WE NAIL DOWN EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT. BUT WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THIS CASE, WE'VE CHANGED OUR MIND ON WHAT WE WANT THE CONTRACTOR TO PROVIDE BASED ON WHAT TXDOT'S DOING WITH THE DESIGN OF THE BRIDGE REPLACEMENT. SO THAT'S WHAT'S NECESSITATING THESE CHANGES. >> Cantu: OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. THANK YOU. COUNCILMA N HERNANDEZ? >> Hernandez: OKAY. I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH TXDOT IN THE SENSE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PAYING FOR 90% OF THAT BRIDGE, SO I'M NOT GOING TO COMPLAIN TOO MUCH ABOUT THE CHANGE THERE, BUT I'M A LITTLE KIND OF DISAPPOINTED THAT WE DIDN'T PLAN THE INTERSECTION AT FRED'S FOLLY TO THE MASTER PLAN. AND NOW WE'RE HAVING TO DO A CHANGE ORDER BECAUSE WE DIDN'T PLAN TO THE MASTER PLAN. AND WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION THAT WE -- I MEAN, IF WE WOULD HAVE FOLLOWED THE MASTER PLAN AS IT WAS STATED, WE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD THIS CHANGE ORDER. >> Edmonds: I'LL START THIS UP, SO PART OF THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE LAND DEVELOPER WHEN THEY DEVELOPED. AND THEN THERE WAS QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER THAT WAS GOING TO CONNECT THROUGH -- WHEN WE DO THESE PROJECTS, WE USUALLY DON'T ADD DRIVEWAYS FOR PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS. SO THE WAY THAT THE PLANS WERE BID, THAT WAS A T INTERSECTION, AND YOU HAD SIGNAL FACES ON THREE SIDES. SO IN CONSULTATION WITH PUBLIC WORKS, I'M GOING TO LET THEM HELP ADDRESS THIS, WE'RE ADDING THE ADDITIONAL SIGNAL FACE AND PUTTING A RIGHT TURN LANE IN, BECAUSE YOU'LL HAVE MORE TRAFFIC THERE THAN YOU WOULD HAVE JUST WITH THAT LOCAL DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE YOU'LL HAVE PROBABLY ALSO TRAFFIC GOING ACROSS THE BRIDGE INTO THE DEVELOPMENT ON THE NO NORTH. >> YEAH, SO WE COULDN'T ANTICIPATE WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT WAS GOING TO BE COMPLETED IN CONJUNCTION WITH YORKTOWN DESIGN. WE COULDN'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION IN ADVANCE, BUT, YES, WE ALSO DIDN'T KNOW IF Y'ALL WERE GOING TO APPROVE THE UTP AMENDMENT OR NOT BASED ON, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD HERE AT COUNCIL. BUT TO JEFF'S POINT IS WE DON'T PLAN BOND PROJECTS WITH ROADWAY MASTER PLANS IN THEM IF THEY'RE NOT DEVELOPED YET OR ANYWHERE NEAR THAT, BECAUSE WE WOULD END UP HAVING OPENINGS TO NOWHERE AND YOU COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE A RIGHT TURN LANE TO NOWHERE IF YOU WAITED TOO LONG FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT. SO I THINK THE LONG STORY SHORT, SIR, IS WE'RE NOT THAT GOOD. >> Hernandez: OKAY. >> Edmonds: I WOULD LIKE TO ADD SOMETHING ON THAT. WE DID FEEL LIKE THERE WAS SOME BENEFIT, AND SOME OF THIS CONSTRUCTION WOULD HAVE BEEN THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE DEVELOPER, WE ENGAGED WITH HIM, WE GOT HIM TO CONTRIBUTE $50,000 TO HELP OFFSET SOME OF THAT FRED'S FOLLY COST. >> Hernandez: OKAY. I JUST -- IT SEEMS LIKE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PLANNING FOR FUTURE MOBILITY IN THESE KIND OF PROJECTS, SO I'D -- YOU KNOW, MAYBE TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR PROCESS ON HOW YOU DO THAT. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON ITEM NUMBER 10, PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR VOTE. THE MOTION CARRIES. AND THAT TAKES US TO SECTION K, THAT'S PUBLIC HEARINGS, ITEM NUMBER 24 IS AN ORDINANCE ADOPTING THE PADRE/MUSTANG ISLAND MOBILITY PLAN AS AN ELEMENT OF CORPUS CHRISTI'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. >> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Guajardo: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. GOING TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 24? YES MA'AM? COME ON UP. >> DEBBIE MARTIAN, I THINK I'M IN DISTRICT 4 IN CORPUS CHRISTI. I LIVE ON THE ISLAND, I'M A BICYCLIST AND I AM VERY CONCERNED THAT IF WE DON'T CREATE A MOBILITY PLAN AND IMPLEMENT IT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE DEAD CHILDREN. MORE DEAD PEEP. THERE ARE CHILDREN RIGHT NOW RIDING VEHICLES ON THE ISLAND THAT DO NOT HAVE A DRIVER'S LICENSE, THEY ARE NOT PICKED UP, THEY'RE RIDING THE WRONG WAY, THEY'RE RIDING THREE ABREAST, WHICH IS AGAINST THE STATE LAW OF TEXAS. BICYCLERS CAN ONLY RIDE TWO ABREAST, SO WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING. I'M FOR IT. IT NEEDS TO BE THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE ENTIRE ISLAND, THOUGH, NOT JUST A FEW ROADS. THANK YOU. . >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. COME ON UP. >> HI, CHERYL SEACREST, DISTRICT 4. I'M IN COMPLETE SUPPORT OF THIS, AS I'VE SPOKEN BEFORE ABOUT OTHER PROJECTS ON THE ISLAND, JUST THE SAFETY FOR OUR KIDS AND ADULT BIKERS AND SCOOTERS AND GOLF CARTS AND EVERYTHING, I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS PLAN. I KNOW IT'S BE N WORKED ON FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND IT'S TIME TO GET SOMETHING MOVING. AND I'M EXCITED TO SEE EVEN THE FUTURE OF THIS PLAN AS IT CONTINUES TO GO THROUGHOUT THE YEARS, SO THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. I'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR VOTE. OKAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. NEXT WE'LL GO TO SECTION L, WHICH IS INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION ITEMS, NUMBERS 25 AND 26. ITEM 25 IS A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING EXECUTION OF A GROUNDWATER RIGHTS PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT WITH ERF REAL ESTATE, INC., TO PURCHASE 2,478.69 ACRES OF GROUNDWATER WITH ACCESS RIGHTS, SIX WATER WELLS AND PIPELINE EASEMENTS IN THE AMOUNT OF $28 MILLION. MR. WINKELMANN? >> Winkelmann: GOOD AFTERNOON, NICK W WINKELMANN, INTERIM CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER CORPUS CHRISTI WATER. I WOULD LIKE TO GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION. SO THE OVERVIEW OF THE AGREEMENT IS FUNDAMENTALLY THE PURCHASE OF GROUNDWATER RIGHTS BENEATH APPROXIMATELY 2500 ACRES OF LAND. THIS IS LOCATED IN NUECES COUNTY AND IT IS LOCATED ADJACENT TO THE WESTERN WELLFIELD. THE PURCHASE ITSELF WILL CONTINUE TO SUPPORT OUR STRATEGIC PLAN OF THE DIVERSIFICATION OF OUR WATER SUPPLY PORTFOLIO BY ADDING TO OUR ABILITY TO DEVELOP GROUNDWATER RESOURCES. THE AGREEMENT ITSELF CONVEYS FROM THE EDWARD SHALE FOUNDATION TO THE CITY GROUNDWATER RIGHTS INCLUDING EXISTING AND FUTURE INFRASTRUCTURE. ONE OF THE THINGS I DO WANT TO POINT OUT, THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT IS THE PROPERTY ITSELF. THE LINES IN WHITE ARE EXISTING ROADS. THOSE ARE VERY IMPORTANT AND CRITICAL WHEN DEVELOPING A PROJECT SITE. ADDITIONALLY, THERE IS ONE PRODUCTION WELL ON SITE THAT WILL BE CONVEYED TO THE CITY AND THE SELLER HAS ALSO AGREED TO DRILL FIVE ADDITIONAL PRODUCTION WELLS. POWER IS TO THE SITE TO SUPPLY THOSE SIX WELLS ALSO. THE AGREEMENT IS FOR A FIXED PURCHASE PRICE OF $28 MILLION. THERE WILL BE EARNEST MONEY DUE OF $200,000 AND THE CITY HAS NEGOTIATED BASICALLY A ONE-YEAR DEFERMENT OF THE FINAL COST OF $27.8 MILLION. SO THAT IS DUE ONE YEAR FROM THE DATE OF CLOSING. I'D LIKE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE HYDROLOGY AND THE CONDITIONS AND THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS SITE. ONE THING TO NOTE IS THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT, THAT IS -- IT'S A CONTOUR MAP, BUT IT SHOWS THE LOCATION OF GROUNDWATER AVAILABILITY WHERE THE WATER IS LESS THAN 3,000 TOTAL DISSOLVED SOLIDS. AS YOU KNOW, THE EASTERN WELLFIELD, THAT PROPERTY HAS TDS APPROXIMATELY 3300 OR SO. OUR WESTERN WELLFIELD, THE TDS RANGES IN THE WELLS THAT WE'VE DRILLED SO FAR APPROXIMATELY 1600TDS WITH THE HIGHEST ABOUT 1780, PLUS OR MINUS TDS. MARKEDLY BETTER. THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE BY OUR HYDROGEOLOGIST INTERA, INCORPORATED, AND SPECIFICALLY TSTEVE YOUNG SHOWS THAT THE ADJACENT WELLFIELD AND THIS PROPERTY IS CRITICAL TO PROVIDING LOW TDS WATER IN NUECES COUNTY. I DO APOLOGIZE ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE LETTER ON THE LEFT, BUT THAT'S A LETTER FROM OUR HYDROLOGIST STEVE YOUNG WITH THE DATA THAT'S AVAILABLE FROM OUR WESTERN WELLFIELD, ALL OF THIS HISTORICAL RESOURCES, HE IS COMFORTABLE IN SAYING THAT THE WELL CAN PROVIDE 15 MILLION-GALLONS A DAY -- I'M SORRY, THE PROPERTY CAN PROVIDE 15 MILLION-GALLONS A DAY. ONE THING THAT I DO WANT TO SAY IS THAT INTERRA IS BUILDING A ROBUST MODEL. THEY CONTINUE TO DO SO. AND EVERY TIME A WELL IS DRILLED AND AQUIFER TESTS ARE CONDUCTED, THAT DATA IS SUPPLIED TO INTERA SO THEY CAN UPDATE THE MODEL. THOSE NUMBERS, MORE THAN LIKELY, WILL CHANGE IN A POSITIVE MANNER. I DO KNOW THAT STEVE YOUNG BY NATURE IS CONSERVATIVE AS WELL. I FEEL STRONGLY THAT THOSE NUMBERS WILL INCREASE. THE NEXT THING I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IS THE AREA GEOLOGY AND THE AREA WELLS. SO THE GRAPHIC ON THE LEFT, YOU'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE, IT SHOWS THE GEOLOGIC FORMATIONS OF THE AREA. A COUPLE OF THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT, TYPICAL WELLS IN THE AREA TARGET WHAT'S CALLED THE LISSIE FORMATION. THE WELLS WE HAVE CONSTRUCTED IN THE WESTERN WELLFIELD AND THAT WOULD BE PLANNED ON THIS PROPERTY TARGET THE -- BASICALLY THE UPPER -- OR I'M SORRY, THE LOWER WILLIS AND THE UPPER GOLIAD INTO THE EVANGELINE FORMATION. THESE WILLS HAVE A TOTAL DEPTH OF 820 TO 840 FEET. THE MAP ON THE RIGHT, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE MUCH, AND THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT. THE MAP ON THE RIGHT IS THE PLOT OF ALL OF THE AREA WELLS THAT TARGET FORMATIONS BELOW 500 FEET. SO THIS IS USING THE DATA FROM THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD. AND WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT? IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE HAVE MADE A CONSCIOUS DECISION TO TARGET THE LOWER PORTIONS OF THE AQUIFER. IN OTHER WORDS, THAT UPPER EVANGELINE PORTION. WE ARE CASED TO 500 TO 540 FEET IN CEMENTED CASING, AND IT'S CASED INTO CONFINING CLAY LAYERS THAT SEPARATE US FROM THE UPPER AQUIFER. SO IF YOU NOTICE, THERE'S ACTUALLY THREE WELLS ON THIS MAP, THE WESTERN WELLFIELD IS HIGHLIGHTED THERE IN RED. THE BLUE LINE AT THE TOP, OF COURSE, IS THE NUECES RIVER. THERE IS ONE WELL ON THE TOP LEFT OF THE DRAWING, IT HAS A DEPTH OF 754 FEET. THAT IS A WELL THAT THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI DRILLED IN THE '80S. WE INVESTIGATED THAT WELL EARLY 2025, AND THE WELL HAD COLLAPSED ON ITSELF AND WASN'T USABLE. SINCE THEN, AS PART OF OUR PROGRAM, WE HAVE PROPERLY SEALED AND ABANDONED THAT WELL. THE NEXT WELL IS 835 FEET, IT IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE RIVER, IT'S IN SAN PATRICIO COUNTY. THAT WELL WAS ALSO DRILLED BY THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI AND IS NO LONGER IN USE. THERE IS A WELL THAT IS 650-FOOT DEPTH, AND THAT'S AT THE BOTTOM PORTION OF THE MAP ITSELF. THE WELL IS -- WE HAD THE INFORMATION FROM THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD. I CANNOT TELL YOU IF THE WELL IS CURRENTLY BEING UTILIZED OR NOT. SOMETHING WE WILL INVESTIGATE. BUT THE INTENT IS -- OF THIS PAGE IS TO SHOW THAT THE AREA WELLS ARE CLEARLY IN THE 250 TO 300-FOOT RANGE. WE ARE FIRMLY CASED BELOW THAT, AND WE ARE TARGETING THE LOWER FORMATIONS. THE WELLS ARE BEING DESIGNED USING GEOPHYSICAL LOGGING, WHICH YOU CAN SEE HERE EACH WELL HAS A SET OF GEOPHYSICAL LOGS DONE TO HELP US DEVELOP THE CLAY LAYERS SO WE CAN PROPERLY DESIGN WHERE THAT CASING IS INSTALLED. THIS DRAWING ITSELF JUST SHOWS THAT WE ARE -- WE ARE SEALED AND CEMENTED TO A MINIMUM DEPTH OF 500 FEET ON THESE WELLS, SAFELY SEPARATING OUR PRODUCTION WELLS FROM THE AREA LIVESTOCK AND RESIDENTIAL WELLS. AS I STATED EARLIER, THE MODELING WILL CONTINUE TO BE UPDATED. WE HAVE AN ONGOING CONTRACT WITH INTERA, EVERY TIME WE DO AN AQUIFER TEST, PUMPING TEST THAT IS SUBMITTED TO INTERA TO UPDATE THEIR MODEL. CURRENTLY THERE ARE FOUR WELLFIELDS, THERE ARE FOUR MORE PLANS AND LIKEWISE IN THIS ADJACENT PROPERTY, WE WILL HAVE ADDITIONAL MONITORING WELLS. THAT IS IMPORTANT SO WE CAN KEEP AN EYE ON THE AQUIFER CONDITIONS, PROPERLY TRACK IT AND PROPERLY REPORT IT. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT WE DO HAVE AREA WELL OWNERS PARTICIPATING IN OUR VOLUNTARY PROGRAM AS WELL. THIS ALLOWS US TO TRACK THE WATER LEVELS FURTHER IN THE AQUIFER THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF OUR SPECIFIC PROJECT BOUNDARIES. SUBSIDENCE IS TALKED ABOUT A LOT, AND WE UNDERSTAND ITS IMPORTANCE. INTERA INCORPORATED IS DEVELOPING OUR SUBSIDENCE PROGRAM. THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT WILL BE A SUBSIDENCE MONITORING STATION THAT WE WILL INSTALL IN BOTH THE WESTERN AND ANY NEWELL FIELDS IN NUECES COUNTIES, INCLUDING THE EASTERN WELLFIELD. INTERA IS CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF SELECTING LOCATIONS FOR THESE PERMANENT SITES, AND, AGAIN, LIKE I'VE SAID PREVIOUSLY, SUBSIDENCE IS NOT A ONE REPORT AND YOU SUBMIT IT AND YOU WALK AWAY. WE NEED TO MONITOR IT AND TRACK IT. IN JUST ANOTHER -- YOU KNOW, I TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS, BUT OUR WELL MONITORING PROGRAM, THIS IS A VOLUNTARY PROGRAM. IT CERTAINLY HELPS US UNDERSTAND THE AQUIFER, TRACK ANY POTENTIAL CHANGES, IT HELPS US TO WORK WITH AREA WELL OWNERS, TO HELP THEM UNDERSTAND HOW TO PROTECT THEIR ASSETS. WE ARE ALSO PROVIDING -- WE'LL TAKE WATER QUALITY TESTS AND SHARE THAT WITH THEM AS WELL. IT'S NOT ON THE SLIDE, BUT THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS AGREEMENT IS CRITICAL. IT'S CRITICAL TO THE DIVERSIFICATION OF OUR WATER SUPPLY PORTFOLIO. IT'S CRITICAL AS WE MOVE TOWARDS A TIME PERIOD OF THE YEAR WHERE WE ARE MISSING OUR CHANCES FOR RAINFALL. I'VE GOT A LOT OF GREAT SLIDES LATER ON MY WATER SUPPLY BRIEFING, BUT ALL OF THAT IS JUST MEANT TO UNDERSCORE HOW IMPORTANT THE AREA IS, THE LOCATION IS IMPORTANT, AND IT'S IMPORTANT FOR OUR SEVEN COUNTIES AND OUR HALF A MILLION PEOPLE WHO UTILIZE OUR WATER EVERY SINGLE DAY. AND WITH THAT, I'LL STAND BY FOR QUESTIONS. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, NICK. COUNCILMAN ROY? >> Roy: EARLIER DURING PUBLIC COMMENT, THERE WAS A -- ONE OF THE COMMENTS WAS MADE THAT TALKED ABOUT THAT WE DIDN'T DO HYDROLOGY STUDY AND THAT THEY'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT -- IF I -- USING OUR HEART -- OR USING OUR HEAD OR NOT OUR HEART OR COMBINATION OF BOTH OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE, AND WHAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND IS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DEPTH OF THE WELLS THAT WE'RE DRILLING, AND YOU SHOW THE THREE WELLS THAT HAVE BEEN DRILLED IN THE PAST WITH OVER 500 FEET, RIGHT? SO CURRENTLY ANYONE THAT HAS REPORTED AN ISSUE WITH A WELL THAT'S ON THEIR PROPERTY RIGHT NOW, WHAT WAS THE AVERAGE DEPTH OF THAT WELL, OR HAS ANYBODY REPORTED -- I'M PRETTY SURE THERE HAS BEEN, BUT... >> Winkelmann: SO WHAT I CAN SAY IS THERE HAVE BEEN SO SUBSTANTIATED ISSUES. I DO WANT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW, THE WESTERN WELLFIELD IS NOT IN OPERATION. >> Roy: RIGHT. >> Winkelmann: WE ARE NOT PUMPING -- THE ONLY PUMPING WE'RE DOING ON THE WESTERN WELLFIELD IS THE AQUIFER TESTS AND THE PUMPING TESTS. AFTER A WELL IS DRILLED, WE CONDUCT AN AQUIFER TEST. ONE THING THAT I DO KNOW, THAT THE VOLUNTARY MEMBERS OF THE PROGRAM, THOSE WELLS ARE 250 TO 300 FEET DEEP, AND WE'VE CHECKED THOSE WELLS. WE HAVE CHECKED THOSE WELLS DURING THE AQUIFER AND PUMPING TESTS AND WE HAVE NOT SEEN A CHANGE IN THE WATER LEVEL ITSELF AS WELL. >> Roy: OKAY. I KNOW THERE WAS COVERAGE THAT TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE LEVELS OF ARSENIC AND THE TCEQ AND THAT THAT REPORTED THAT, I KNOW WE WERE GOING TO GO OUT WITH A FOLLOW-UP TEST -- AND MAYBE I'M GETTING AHEAD OF MYSELF, MAYBE YOU'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THIS LATER ON, BUT WHAT WAS THE OUTCOME OF THAT? >> Winkelmann: ABSOLUTELY. SO ONE -- AND I'M JUST GOING TO -- IT'S A PRECURSOR TO THE WATER SUPPLY UPDATE. I WANT TO GIVE YOU THE LATEST AND GREATEST INFORMATION. SO WE DID -- WE'RE COMMITTED TO A QUARTERLY TESTING FOR ARSENIC. RECENTLY THE TESTS WERE CONDUCTED LAST WEEK, THOSE ARE OUR MOST RECENT TESTS. AND WHAT I CAN SHARE WITH YOU IS OF ALL THE WELLS THAT WE TESTED IN THE EASTERN WELLFIELD, THOSE ARE UNDER OPERATION, RIGHT, THERE WAS ONE WELL THAT WAS .01, AND, OF COURSE, OVER .01 TC -- THE RECOMMENDED LEVEL IS .01-MILLIGRAMS PER LITER OR PARTS PER MILLION. ALL THE OTHER WELLS THAT WE TESTED WERE .0047, .0064, .0046. THEY WERE AT LEVELS WHERE IT GETS VERY HARD FOR THE LAB TO DETECT. THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS THE ARSENIC LEVELS IN THE TREATED WATER AT ON STEVENS IS ESSENTIALLY A NONDETECT. IT WAS RECORDED AT LESS THAN .00093-MILLIGRAMS PER MEET LETTER. THE OTHER INTERESTING THING THAT CAME OUT OF MY MEMO EARLIER THIS WEEK IS WE'VE SEEN HIGHER ARSENIC LEVELS IN THE LAKES AT DIFFERENT SPOTS ALONG THE RIVER. >> Roy: SO THIS QUESTION IS DIRECTED TO PETER THEN. ARE WE DOING ANYTHING IN TERMS OF EDUCATING THE COMMUNITY TO LET THEM KNOW OUR FINDINGS IN THAT, AND JUST KIND OF DO WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO -- BECAUSE IT'S CLEARLY THAT -- PEOPLE GET INFORMATION FROM EVERYWHERE, AND I KNOW THAT DURING PUBLIC COMMENT WE CANNOT, BASICALLY, COMMENT ON THEIR COMMENT, BUT ARE WE DOING ANYTHING RIGHT NOW TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE EDUCATING AND THAT WE'RE DOING THE THINGS TO -- >> Zanoni: RIGHT. WE WILL BE DOING MORE EDUCATION, SO WE JUST GOT THE NUMBERS LAST WEEK FRIDAY. >> Winkelmann: FRIDAY. >> Zanoni: AND SO NICK WILL WORK WITH HIS COMMUNICATION'S TEAM AND ALYSSA IN OUR COMMUNICATION'S DEPARTMENT TO GET THESE MESSAGES OUT. I PERSON WILL I MET SATURDAY WITH THE GENERAL MANAGER OF THE ROBSTOWN WATER DISTRICT AND INFORMED HIM OF THE -- OF THESE RESULTS, SO HE'LL BE ABLE TO GET THAT WORD OUT TO HIS PEOPLE AS WELL. >> Roy: AND, OF COURSE, WE'RE GOING GO BACK TO THE TCEQ AND SHOW THEM OUR FINDINGS ALSO? >> Winkelmann: CORRECT. >> Roy: AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE CITIZENS OF CORPUS CHRISTI, BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, I THINK IT'S ALSO THAT WE NEED TO COMMUNICATE WITH OUR A ADJACENT COMMUNITIES THAT DO RECEIVE WATER, NOT ONLY WITH CORPUS CHRISTI BUT IF WE CAN COMMUNICATE WITH THEM. >> Zanoni: RIGHT. WE AGREE. >> Roy: OKAY. >> Zanoni: WE AGREE. AND THE MESSAGE IS, COUNCILMAN, THAT THE WELLS THAT WE HAVE ALONG THE NUECES RIVER, THERE'S NONDETECT, MEANING THERE'S TRACE AMOUNTS -- IT'S NOT EVEN -- IT'SDY MINIMUS AMOUNTS OF ARSENIC WELL, WELL BELOW ANY LEVEL TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT. >> Roy: THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT AND DISCUSS IT HERE, TOO, SO I'M HOPING ANYBODY THAT'S WATCHING WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO LISTEN AND HEAR FIRSTHAND WHERE WE'RE AT. >> Zanoni: RIGHT. >> Roy: THANK YOU. COUNCILMA N CANTU? >> Cantu: THANK YOU, MAYOR. REMIND ME ONE MORE TIME HOW MANY WATER WELLS WE'RE GOING TO DRILL FROM HERE. >> Winkelmann: IT'S YET TO BE DETERMINED. ONE THING I DO WANT TO SAY IS THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY HAS COMMITTED TO PROVIDING SIX WELLS, CONVEYING SIX WELLS TO THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI. ONE HAS BEEN DRILLED TO DATE. SO IT'S FIVE MORE. I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT THE -- WE'LL UTILIZE THE INPUT FROM INTERA. I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT THE CITY POSSIBLY DRILL, YOU KNOW, SIX PLUS WELLS. [SIMULTANEOUS SPEAKING]. WINS IT DEPENDS ON THE RESULTS. >> Cantu: SO ALL TOGETHER ABOUT 11 AND 12 WELLS ON THE RANCH. >> Winkelmann: WELL, IF YOU'VE GOT THE SIX. ADD ANOTHER SIX, AND IT COULD BE A COUPLE MORE THAN THAT, COUNCILMAN. >> Cantu: OKAY. SO -- AND WHO'S RANCH IS THIS AGAIN? >> Winkelmann: SO THE PROPERTY OWNER IS THE EDWARD SHALE FOUNDATION. >> Cantu: THEY'RE REALLY GOOD PARTNERS, THEY DO A LOT FOR THIS COMMUNITY. MY CONCERNS ARE WE TOLD THE PUBLIC THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DRILL ANY MORE WELLS. AND THAT'S WHAT I TOLD THE RESIDENTS FROM THAT AREA, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY WERE CONCERNED. THAT'S JUST WHERE I'M AT IS THAT I DON'T WANT TO -- I DON'T WANT THEM NOT TO TRUST ME BECAUSE I TELL THEM ONE THING AND THEN I DO A DIFFERENT THING, YOU KNOW? WHAT -- WHAT HAPPENS -- WE DRILL ALL THESE WELLS IN THAT AREA, AND THE WATER WELLS, THE RANCHERS, THE RESIDENTS THERE GOES DRY. JUST -- JUST WORST-CASE SCENARIO, WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY GO DRY? ARE WE GOING TO HELP THEM OUT? ARE WE GOING TO PROVIDE THEM WATER SOMEHOW SOME WAY, JUST CURIOUS? >> Winkelmann: YEAH. SO ONE THING THAT WE -- AND THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR THAT VOLUNTARY PROGRAM, BECAUSE WE WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THE NEARBY WELLS ARE THAT ARE PROXIMAL TO THE WELLFIELD, CORRECT. AND WE WANT TO UNDERSTAND -- GET THE BASELINE DATA SO AS THE WELLFIELD COMES ONLINE WE CAN SHOW IF THERE'S NO EFFECTS OR POTENTIAL EFFECTS, SO THAT THEY CAN BE MITIGATED. THAT, YOU KNOW, THE VOLUNTARY PROGRAM CCW IS COMMITTED TO HELPING THE WELL OWNERS, BUT WE ALL WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET THAT BASELINE DATA SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY'RE AT RIGHT NOW. >> Zanoni: NICK, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE MONITORING WELLS, BECAUSE THAT WILL INFORM YOU. TELL THE COUNCILMAN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL BE PUTTING IN ADDITIONAL MONITORING WELL, AND WHAT DO THOSE DO? >> Winkelmann: YES, SIR. AND WE TALK ABOUT -- I'M GLAD WE WROUGHT THIS UP. WE TALK ABOUT MONITORING WELLS A LOT. A MONITORING WELL IS A VERY SMALL WELL, IT DOESN'T HAVE A PUMP IN IT, BUT IT ■ALLOWS THE ABILITY TO RECORD WATER LEVELS IN THE AQUIFER. TYPICALLY WHAT'S DONE AND WHAT OUR PLAN IS, IS TO INSTALL PRESSURE TRANSDUCERS IN THOSE MONITORING WELLS, AND THEY WILL COLLECT CONTINUOUS DATA THAT IS FED TO US, SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND REALTIME WHAT'S GOING ON. THE LOCATION OF THE MONITORING WELLS IS PROVIDED IN CONJUNCTION WITH WORK WITH OUR HYDROGEOLOGIST. AND, ESSENTIALLY, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE PUT THOSE IN KEY AREAS OF OUR PROPERTY SO THAT WE CAN BETTER TRACK THE LOCATION OF THE AQUIFER. THAT CONTOUR MAP I SHOWED YOU EARLIER, IT SHOWS YOU -- IT DOESN'T ALWAYS MAKE SENSE TO JUST SURROUND YOUR PROPERTY IN MONITORING WELLS, YOU WANT TO PUT THOSE IN GOOD LOCATIONS AS IT RELATES AND COORDINATES WITH THE AQUIFER. >> Cantu: BUT MY -- I DON'T THINK YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION. IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO THE RANCHERS AND THE PUBLIC OUT THERE ON THEIR PERSONAL WELLS, ARE WE GOING TO HELP THEM? >> Winkelmann: SO THE ANSWER IS YES. >> Cantu: OKAY. >> Winkelmann: BUT I -- I WANT TO SHOW HOW IMPORTANT IT IS -- WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S -- THE AFFECTS ARE UNDERSTOOD AND DOCUMENTED. FOR INSTANCE, HYPOTHETICALLY, IF SOMEONE CALLED US TODAY AND SAID, I'M HAVING AN ISSUE WITH MY WELL, AND IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO YOUR WESTERN WELLFIELD AND WE'RE NOT PUMPING IT, HOW DO YOU -- YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU DOCUMENT THAT? >> Cantu: I GET IT. >> Winkelmann: THAT'S ALL. >> Cantu: OKAY. AND THEN ARE WE GOING TO BE PUMPING WATER FROM THESE WELLS FOR A LONG TIME? I MEAN, WHAT'S OUR GAME PLAN? I GET IT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO GET OTHER STUFF ON LINE AND WE NEED RAIN, BUT IS THIS GOING TO BE LIKE A FOREVER THING OR IF OUR LAKES GET FILLED UP AND WE GET DESAL, ARE WE GOING TO KEEP THOSE FOR EMERGENCIES ONLY? WHAT'S OUR GAME PLAN? >> Winkelmann: YEAH, THANK YOU FOR ASKING THAT. OUR GAME PLAN IS JUST THAT WE ARE GOING TO MOVE, BRING NEW WATER SUPPLY PROJECTS ONLINE, SO THAT WE CAN DIVERSIFY OUR PORTFOLIO, SO THAT INCLUDES SURFACE WATER, GROUNDWATER, IT INCLUDES EFFLUENT REUSE AND IT INCLUDES SEA WATER. ONCE WE HAVE A DIVERSIFIED PORTFOLIO, WE CAN MANAGE ALL OF THE SUPPLIES CONJUNCTIVELY AND OPERATE THEM IN A RESPONSIBLE MANNER. ONCE -- FOR EXAMPLE, ONCE THE WESTERN RESERVOIRS RECOVER, THAT IS ESSENTIALLY OUR MOST COST EFFICIENT WATER -- >> Cantu: YES, SIR. >> Winkelmann: -- AND WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO THE RATEPAYERS TO KEEP THE RATES REASONABLE, SO WE WOULD MANAGE THE RESOURCE, UTILIZE THAT WATER AND USE LESS GROUNDWATER. SO WE'VE GOT TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO MANAGE THAT. SOME MONTHS YOU'LL USE IT MORE, SOME MONTHS YOU WON'T USE IT AT ALL. >> Cantu: YEAH. >> Winkelmann: I ALWAYS TELL EVERYONE WE WILL ABSOLUTELY CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THE ASSETS. WE DO HAVE TO OPERATE WELLS AND PUMPS ON A MAINTENANCE BASIS, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WHEN YOU HAVE ALL YOUR SOURCES ONLINE THAT YOU WOULD USE IT NONSTOP. NO ONE WANTS TO DO THAT. BUT INTERMITTENTLY, WE HAVE TO HAVE IT AVAILABLE. >> Cantu: IN PLAIN ENGLISH, BECAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND A LOT OF THESE ENGINEER TALKS AND STUFF ABOUT THE WATER DOWN THERE, BUT DO WE HAVE ENOUGH WATER DOWN THERE? DO WE HAVE A LOT OF WATER. >> Winkelmann: SO I'VE SEEN MULTIPLE REPORTS, AND THE EVANGELINE AQUIFER IN NUECES COUNTY IS ESTIMATED AT -- I THINK IT WAS 42 TRILLION-GALLONS OF WATER, WHICH MEANS THAT THE RATES WE'RE PUMPING, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF YEARS. FORGIVE ME, I DON'T HAVE THAT MATH MAPPED OUT, HOWEVER, I DO WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO PUMP THIS AT ITS MAX 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, 365 DAYS A YEAR. IN THE FUTURE, WE DO NOT WANT TO DO THAT, BUT WE ARE -- WE ARE DEALING WITH HISTORIC DROUGHT, WE'RE DEALING WITH SERVICE RESERVOIRS THAT ARE RAPIDLY DECLINING, AND WE NEED TO BRING ON DIVERSIFIED WATER SUPPLIES. >> Cantu: YEAH. I THINK THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE RIGHT NOW. I JUST -- I DO WANT TO SUPPORT THIS AND I DO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK, AND PETER, I MEAN, YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO FIND WATER BEFORE NOVEMBER AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST HAVE CONCERNS BECAUSE I DID TELL A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THOSE TOWN HALL MEETINGS THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DRILL ANYMORE. AND IT'S HARD FOR ME TO GO BACK ON MY WORD AND JUST, YOU KNOW, TELL THEM, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? CHANGE OF PLANS, WE'RE GOING TO DO IT. BECAUSE I THINK THOSE PEOPLE IN THAT AREA, YOU KNOW, DESERVES HONESTY AND DESERVE THE CITY TELLING THEM THE TRUTH AND BE TRANSPARENT WITH THEM, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S A HARD DECISION, BUT I MIGHT HAVE SOME MORE QUESTIONS IN A LITTLE BIT. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: PETER, WOULD YOU ADDRESS -- BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND -- AND IT'S COME UP BEFORE -- THAT YOU HAD SAID PRIOR -- I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MONTHS AGO IT WAS, BUT ADDRESS THAT, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. >> Zanoni: YEAH. >> Mayor Guajardo: YOU, YOU, ALL OF US WILL HAVE -- OR DO HAVE THAT QUESTION POSED. >> Zanoni: RIGHT. SO I PERSONALLY MADE THAT STATEMENT AND THE COUNCILMAN WAS THERE AS WELL AS COUNCILWOMAN VAUGHN AND COUNCILMAN SCOTT. WE WERE UP IN THE ROBSTOWN AREA WITH A CONCERNED GROUP OF CITIZENS, PROBABLY ABOUT 200 PEOPLE, LATE LAST FALL. AND THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT OUR WELLFIELDS, OUR EASTERN, AND WE HAD THE WESTERN ONE PLANNED, AND THEY SAID, ARE YOU GOING TO BE DRILLING ANY MORE WELLS? AT THE TIME, WE THOUGHT THAT WE WOULD BE OKAY AND WOULDN'T HAVE TO DRILL ANYMORE. AND THE REASON WE THOUGHT WE WOULD BE OKAY, IS BECAUSE, ONE, LAKE TEXANA HAD NO ISSUES, SO OUR WESTERN RESERVOIR -- EXCUSE ME, OUR EASTERN RESERVOIR, IF YOU WILL, WAS IN GOOD SHAPE. AND IT WAS RAINING OVER THERE. AT THE TIME ALSO WE HAD A FEW MONTHS LEFT IN WINTER AND THE JANUARY, FEBRUARY TIME FRAME FOR RAIN, AND SO -- AND EVANGELINE WAS MOVING ALONG IN GOOD SHAPE. SO WE THOUGHT THAT WE COULD MAKE THAT STATEMENT. I MADE IT. AND IT WAS BASED ON EVIDENCE THAT I HAD AT THE TIME, WHICH IS EASTERN RESERVOIR'S ARE FINE, -- EXCUSE ME, EASTERN RESERVOIRS ARE FINE, WE HAD RAIN CHANCES, EVANGELINE WAS COMING ALONG NICELY, SO WE THOUGHT, YES, WE WON'T BE DRILLING ANY MORE WELLS. NOW, FAST-FORWARD TO TODAY, WHICH IS FOUR MONTHS LATER, AND THE SCENARIO'S MUCH DIFFERENT. THE EASTERN RESERVOIRS ARE IN BAD SHAPE, AND THEY'RE WORRIED, THE OPERATORS. WE DIDN'T GET RAIN FOR FOUR MONTHS. EVANGELINE'S SLOWING A LITTLE BIT, AND WE NEED MORE WATER. AND SO I HAVE TO CHANGE MY POSITION. NOBODY LIKES TO GO BACK ON THEIR WORD, BUT AS I'VE SAID TO MEDIA OUTLETS, IT'S A HEAVY BURDEN TO PROVIDE WATER, AND SOMETIMES GOING BACK ON YOUR WORD IS -- NOBODY WANTS TO DO THAT, BUT WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO RUN OUT OF WATER. I DON'T WANT US TO GO INTO CURTAILMENT, AND WHEN THEY SAY WHY ARE YOU GOING INTO CURTAILMENT, IT CAN'T BE, WELL, I MADE A PROMISE THAT WE WON'T DRILL ANY MORE WELLS. SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. THAT'S THE BEST JUSTIFICATION I CAN GIVE ON IT. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. >> Zanoni: YEAH. COUNCILWO MAN VAUGHN? >> Vaughn: I'VE GOT A LOT TO SAY. AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LIKE IT, ANY OF IT. FIRST OFF, THIS PLAN HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A LONG TIME. YOU DON'T GET ROADS BUILT OUT THE EDWARD SHALE PROPERTY OVERNIGHT. THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A LONG TIME. HE WAS APPROACHED MONTHS AGO BY SOMEONE SITTING UP HERE IN A PREVIOUS EMPLOYEE TO DO WELLS. SO THIS IS NOT ANYTHING NEW. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO SIT HERE AND SAY, NO, IT WASN'T PLANNED, IT WAS PLANNED. AND MR. ZANONI MAY NOT HAVE KNOWN ABOUT IT BUT THERE'S OTHERS THAT N KNEW ABOUT IT. IT'S JUST THE WRONG THING TO DO. YOU KNOW, TRUST IS SOMETHING YOU EARN AND YOUR WORD MEANS SOMETHING. MY WORD MEANS SOMETHING, AND WHEN MR. ZANONI SAID THAT TO THEM, I TOOK THAT AS TRUTH. AND I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS. SOMEONE CAME UP HERE A WHILE AGO AND SAID, SUZIE, THAT YOU HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THE PEOPLE OF CORPUS CHRISTI. NO, YOU HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THE PEOPLE OF CORPUS CHRISTI AND ALSO YOUR SURROUNDING AREAS. WE PROVIDE WATER TO COUNTIES. THEY MATTER AS MUCH AS WE DO. SO THIS IS WRONG. WHAT I WANT TO ASK YOU IS WHERE ARE THE REPORTS THAT SAY THIS LITTLE LETTER WE SHOULD HAVE HAD IT PRINTED OUT, NICK, I'M SORRY, SO WE CAN READ IT. BECAUSE WHERE IS THE REPORT FROM STEVE YOUNG THAT SAYS, I LOOKED AT EVERYTHING, SUBSIDENCE PRODUCTION EVERYTHING, WHERE IS THAT REPORT THAT TELLS US, IT'S NOT GOING TO HARM THEM? >> Winkelmann: SO I WILL ABSOLUTELY GET YOU COPIES OF THE LETTER, ABSOLUTELY. >> Vaughn: DOES IT SAY THAT? >> Winkelmann: IT SAYS THAT THE ESTIMATE IS 15 MILLION-GALLONS PER DAY. AND IT SAYS THAT ALL OF THE DATA AS IT IS OBTAINED SHOULD BE SENT TO INTERRA TO FURTHER UPDATE THE MODEL. AND THAT RECOMMENDATIONS WILL BE MADE ON WELL PLACEMENT, MONITORING WELL LOCATIONS, SUBSIDENCE LOCATIONS SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO TRACK AND MANAGE THE AQUIFER. >> Vaughn: AND I GET THAT. BUT WE'RE DOING THIS BACKWARDS, JUST LIKE WE DID WITH THE DESAL. WE SHOULD HAVE DONE THE FAR FIELD MODEL FIRST BEFORE WE JUMPED INTO THE PRICES FOR DESAL. TO ME, WE'RE DOING THE EXACT SAM THING. THERE IS NOT ENOUGH DATA TO TELL US THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO HARM THE RANCHERS, THE FARMERS, HUGE COMMUNITIES OUT THERE. AND THEY'RE PART OF OUR ECONOMIC THE DEVELOPMENT PEOPLE TOO. I MEAN, THEY HELP US IN OUR -- JUST THINK ABOUT THE FOOD, THE FARMERS DO. THE RANCHERS, I MEAN, IT'S LIKE WE'RE JUST PUSHING THEM ASIDE AND SAYING THEY DON'T MATTER. THEY DO MATTER. AND OUR WORD MATTERS. WE HAVE NOT DONE THE STUDIES TO JUSTIFY THIS. THIS WAS BEING DONE JUST LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THIS WAS PLANNED, YOU CAN'T TELL ME IT WAS NOT. IT'S WRONG HOW WE'RE GOING ABOUT IT. AND WHO IS EVER GOING TO TRUST US TO THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO OUT THERE AND WE'RE ONLY GOING DO JUST A LITTLE BIT FOR AN EMERGENCY. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A FIVE-ACRE FACILITY OUT HERE ON A FIVE-ACRE -- WHAT ARE YOU BUILDING OUT THERE? >> Winkelmann: THE PLAN -- POTENTIAL PLAN WOULD BIL BE TO ADD A PUMP STATION SO WE CAN TRANSMIT WATER WITHOUT HAVING TO GO TO THE RIVER. >> Vaughn: AND THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY FOR A TEMPORARY THING, ISN'T IT? >> Winkelmann: SO WHAT I'VE SAID, IF WE GO BACK TO WHAT I'VE SAID IS THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING THIS AS PART OF OUR WATER SUPPLY OPTIONS AND OUR DIVERSIFIED PORTFOLIO SO THAT WE CAN MANAGE IT. AGAIN, WE'RE NOT GOING TO UTILIZE THIS EVERY DAY ONCE OTHER SOURCES HAVE RECOVERED, BUT I FEEL IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY AND ITS SEVEN COUNTIES AND ITS HALF MILLION PEOPLE TO HAVE OPTIONS TO PROVIDE WATER IN THE FUTURE SO THE AREA, THE COASTAL BEND, IS SUSTAINABLE. >> Vaughn: AND I AGREE. I THINK THE MORE OPTIONS WE HAVE, WE DON'T WANT TO CAUSE A PROBLEM BY TRYING TO SOLVE ONE, BECAUSE WE DID THAT ALREADY WITH ROBSTOWN, SO WE'RE PAYING 1.7 FOR AN INTERMITTENT LINE BECAUSE WE DID THAT THEN. AND TO ME, WE'RE DOING THE SAME THING. AND YOU SAID -- HE ASKED YOU HOW MANY WELLS, YOU SAID YET TO BE DETERMINED. THAT'S SCARY TO ME. YET TO BE DETERMINED, BECAUSE YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW. Y'ALL COULD DO SIX, YOU COULD DO 15, YOU COULD DO 20. WE DON'T KNOW. AND WE DON'T KNOW HOW LONG YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT. ARE YOU GOING TO DO IT THREE YEARS IF THE DROUGHT LASTS THREE YEARS? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE GOING DO? WE DON'T KNOW. THERE'S A LOT OF UNKNOWNS AND I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT TELLS ME THAT STEVE YOUNG SAID, OKAY, GO FOR IT, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY SUBSIDENCE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HARM THE FARMERS, THE RANCHERS, THE COMMUNITY. I DON'T SEE THAT. >> Winkelmann: I WILL SHARE THAT LETTER WITH YOU AND WE'LL GET IT TO YOU BY THE END OF -- >> Vaughn: CAN YOU READ EXACTLY TO ME WHAT IT SAYS. >> Winkelmann: ONE THING THAT I DO WANT TO SAY IS THERE WAS ONE COMMENT, IT WASN'T MADE BY YOU, COUNCILWOMAN, BUT IT MAY HAVE BEEN PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF SCIENCE. >> Vaughn: YES. >> Winkelmann: ALL OF THIS IS BASED ON IT. THE DATA THAT WE'RE OBTAINING EVERY TIME WE DRILL A WELL, THE MODELING THAT STEVE YOUNG IS DOING, THE INVESTMENT, WE'RE MAKING THE CITY IS MAKING IN MONITORING WELLS AND FUTURE SUBSIDENCE EQUIPMENT, ALL OF THAT IS DATA-DRIVEN. AND TO DATE, WE HAVE NOT SEEN ANY IMPACTS AS WE DO THOSE AQUIFER TESTS ON THOSE WELLS. >> Vaughn: AND I GET THAT. AND I APPLAUD YOU FOR THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO, BUT MY CONCERN IS YOU CAN'T JUST KEEP DOING AND ADDING WELLS OUT THERE. THIS IS NOT A LOT OF PROPERTY, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 2500 ACRES. AND PUTTING THAT MANY WELLS ON 2500 ACRES, TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN EVANGELINE, THAT'S LIKE 25,000. THERE'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN WHAT WE'RE DOING THERE AND WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. I JUST HAVE REALLY SOME CONCERNS AND I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN THE SCIENCE THAT I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE TO HAVE BEFORE WE START DOING IT ON ANOTHER AREA. AND LET ME ASK YOU THIS: WE HE'S ALREADY DRILLED ONE WELL OUT THERE. IS IT IN PRODUCTION? >> Winkelmann: THEY'VE DRILLED ONE WELL, WE HAVE THE GEOPHYSICAL LOGS AND WE DON'T CONTROL WHEN OR WHEN THEY DON'T RUN IT. I MEAN, THAT'S THEIR WELL. >> Vaughn: SO IT COULD BE GOING IN THE RIVER RIGHT NOW. >> Winkelmann: I CAN'T COMMENT WHAT'S HAPPENING TODAY. I DON'T KNOW. VAINS YEAH, BUT IT COULD BE. IT COULD HAVE BEEN GOING IN THE RIVER ALL ALONG AND WE DIDN'T KNOW. >> Winkelmann: I CAN'T -- IT'S THEIR WELL, THEIR OPERATION. SO LIKE I SAID, I CAN'T COMMENT ON THAT. >> Vaughn: I KNOW. >> Winkelmann: WHAT I CAN COMMENT IS EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE OPERATING, AND IN THE FUTURE, WHEN THE -- THOSE WELLS ARE CONVEYED TO CCW, I CAN ACTUALLY -- TO THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI, I CAN ACTUALLY COMMENT ON WHAT'S RUNNING AND WHAT ISN'T RUNNING. >> Vaughn: AND I >> Vaughn: I THINK YOU'RE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING. AND I KNOW WE'RE DESPERATE RIGHT NOW BASICALLY. BUT WHEN PEOPLE ARE DESPERATE, THEY DO STUPID THINGS AND I DON'T WANT US TO DO SOMETHING STUPID. WELL, I WENT BLANK. OH, I KNOW WHAT IT IS. $28MILLION. WHERE ARE Y'ALL GOING TO GET THAT MONEY AT? >> Winkelmann: YEAH, I APPRECIATE YOU ASKING THAT. SO WHAT THE PLAN IS, OF COURSE WE'VE GOT THE $200,000 OPTION FEE, WHICH IS DUE. IT WILL BE DUE AFTER, IF THE PROJECT IS APPROVED. WHAT WE HAVE NEGOTIATED IS THE $27.8 MILLION DUE ONE YEAR AFTER THE CLOSING OF THE CONTRACT. WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS, AS PART OF THE PRESENTATION OF THE CAPITAL PLAN FOR NEXT YEAR, THAT NUMBER WILL ACTUALLY BE INCLUDED IN THERE. THERE IS A CAPITAL PROJECT FOR THE NUECES GROUNDWATER PROGRAM SO WE'LL HAVE TO UPDATE THAT BECAUSE THAT MONEY, ESSENTIALLY, WOULD BE DUE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. SO WE PLAN FOR THAT. AND THEN OF COURSE THAT RESULTS IN REVENUE BONDS AND IT WILL RESULT IN A RATE IMPACT, YES. >> Vaughn: YES. THAT'S THE BIG QUESTION. AND WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THAT RATE IMPACT IS, DO WE? >> Winkelmann: WE HAD COUNCIL BRIEFINGS FRIDAY AND WENT OVER THAT. >> Vaughn: WHAT IS THAT? >> Winkelmann: THE COST -- AND I WANT TO BRING CAMILLE UP SO I DON'T GIVE THE WRONG NUMBERS. HE CAN PROVIDE THE COST PER THOUSAND GALLONS AND THEN THE POTENTIAL RATE IMPACT FOR THE RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER WHO USES 6,000 GALLONS OF WATER. WE'VE ALSO OPERATED, RAN IMPACTS TO COMMERCIAL AND LARGE-VOLUME USERS AS WELL. IF WE COULD GIVE CAMILLE A MINUTE TO BRING IT UP. >> Vaughn: THANK YOU. >> Zanoni: IS THAT WITH THE TREATMENT OR JUST THE RAW WATER? >> I'M GOING TO PROVIDE WITH THE TREATMENT. I CAN BREAK IT OUT INDIVIDUALLY FOR JUST THE -- SO IF WE TALK ABOUT THE LAND PURCHASE, THE $28 MILLION, WE DO ALSO INCLUDE THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A CONVEYANCE LINE TO BRING THAT WATER TO ONS AND A TREATMENT FOR THAT. IF YOU TAKE ALL OF THAT COST INTO ACCOUNT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A 52-CENT INCREASE TO THE RAW WATER RATE, WHICH EQUATES TO A $3 PER MONTH INCREASE. BUT THIS INCLUDES THE FULL CONVEYANCE LINE AND THE BRACKISH REVERSE OSMOSIS. >> Vaughn: SO IF THEY GO BACK AND THEY DRILL, YOU'RE SAYING THAT HE'S GOING TO DRILL THE FIVE WELLS AT HIS COST? OR ARE WE PAYING FOR THAT? >> Winkelmann: YEAH. THEY ARE COMPLETELY COVERING THE COST OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE AND THEY ARE CONVEYING IT. >> Vaughn: IF WE DRILL MORE WELLS IT'S GOING TO BE AT OUR COST. AT THE RIVER IT'S A MILLION DOLLARS A PIECE -- $2 MILLION A PIECE, IS THAT WHAT IT WAS? >> Winkelmann: NO, LET'S BACK UP A LITTLE BIT. IN THE NUECES GROUNDWATER PROJECT, THE COST FOR A WELL, WHICH IS A 20-INCH OUTER CASING CEMENTED TO APPROXIMATELY 520 FEET, IT'S A 14-INCH PRODUCTION SCREEN AND CASING. IT'S A 26-INCH UNDERREAMED HOLE. PLUS, WITH A FULL STAINLESS STEEL PUMP AND COMPONENTS, THAT COST IS APPROXIMATELY -- INCLUDING THE PUMP -- $1.5 MILLION. >> Vaughn: I KNOW YOU WERE ABLE TO GET MONEY FROM THE STATE. I KNOW THAT. >> Winkelmann: CORRECT. $30MILLION FROM THE STATE WENT TO THAT PROGRAM. >> Vaughn: OKAY. I KNOW Y'ALL ARE DOING THE BEST YOU CAN DO. I KNOW THAT BUT JUST ON THE RECORD, I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE I THINK IT'S FOOLISH TO DO THAT AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE SUBSIDENCE. I THINK IT'S THE WRONG THING TO DO. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILWOMAN CAMPOS. >> Campos: THANK YOU, MAYOR. YES, WE WERE BRIEFED ON THE COST OF THE WATER FOR 1,000 USAGE FOR EACH DIFFERENT PLANT. I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO RECEIVE THAT BUT I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH IS ALL THIS COSTING. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE ALSO EXPRESSED -- AND I GUESS WE'RE FINALLY GOING TO BE GETTING THAT, WHICH IS I WANT TO SEE A TABLE OF ALL THESE PLANTS. I MEAN, WE'VE GOT SO MANY DIFFERENT SCENARIOS GOING ON AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE KEEPING UP WITH OUR WATER DEMAND AND OUR WATER, YOU KNOW, COSTS PER 1,000 GALLONS. TO ME, I AM INTO CUSTOMER SERVICE AND I HAVE HAD A COUPLE OF PEOPLE CALL ME AND TELL ME AND SAY I CALLED 311 AND I'M ON HOLD. AGAIN, THIS IS SERIOUS. IF PEOPLE ARE CALLING ABOUT SOMETHING HAPPENING OUT THERE WITH THEIR GROUNDWATER AND THEY'RE CALLING THE 311 OR THEY'RE CALLING THE 826 NUMBER FOR THE CITY AND THEY'RE HAVING TO WAIT ALL THAT TIME, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE CAN HAVE A DEDICATED LINE JUST FOR THAT OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN FIX? IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE? >> Winkelmann: SURE, COUNCILWOMAN. SO WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THERE IS A HOTLINE NUMBER FOR THE VOLUNTARY WELL PROGRAM. IT'S 826-1600. >> Campos: I JUST GOOGLED IT AND I DIDN'T SEE. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I DO. I WENT AHEAD AND DID CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI WATER HOTLINE. AND IT ONLY COMES UP WITH THE CITY WATER. AND THAT'S IT. >> Winkelmann: RIGHT. ONE THING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST, IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO USE THAT 311 BECAUSE WHEN THAT HAPPENS, A WORK ORDER IS INITIATED. THE WORK ORDERS ARE HOW MAXIMO OR CCW CONDUCTS ITS WORK. THAT'S VERY CRITICAL. >> Zanoni: THE 826 NUMBER IS ON OUR WEBSITE? >> Winkelmann: YES. AND IT'S ON MY PRESENTATION. >> Zanoni: IF YOU GO TO THE WEBSITE UNDER "WELLS" AND DRILL DOWN, IT'S CLEARLY THERE. >> Campos: JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THERE IS A SEPARATE NUMBER JUST FOR THE WELLS FOR ISSUES WITH THE WELLS? >> Winkelmann: YEAH. I DO WANT TO SAY THAT THAT IS MANNED DURING NORMAL STAFFED -- DURING NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS. >> Campos: THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH. >> Zanoni: THE ANSWER IS YES, COUNCILWOMAN. THAT 826-1600 IS JUST FOR THE WELLS PROGRAM. >> Campos: BUT IT'S ONLY FROM 8:00 TO 5:00. >> Zanoni: THERE'S RECORDINGS AND THEY LEAVE MESSAGES AND CHECK THEM FIRST THING IN THE MORNING. >> Campos: OKAY. I THINK WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB WITH THAT. AGAIN, I AM LOOKING FORWARD, YOU KNOW, TO THAT OTHER PRESENTATION THAT WE HAD FRIDAY. I BELIEVE THAT'S GOING TO BE NEXT WEEK? IS THAT THE BREAKDOWN? >> Winkelmann: WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED THAT. IT'S EXACTLY WHERE IT'S GOING TO LAND, IF IT'S GOING TO BE NEXT WEEK OR WHATEVER. THAT'S WHY WE WENT OVER IT WITH COUNCIL LAST WEEK. >> Campos: BUT THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO KNOW. >> Winkelmann: I UNDERSTAND. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILWOMAN PAXSON. >> Paxson: THANK YOU. THIS IS AN ITEM THAT OF COURSE IS VERY DIFFICULT. MOST OF THESE PROJECTS ARE. WE REALLY HAVE ALL HAD TO BALANCE THE CONCERNS AND THE NEEDS OF OUR NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES AND THE FACT THAT WE ARE RESPONSIBLE TO SUPPLY A LOT OF WATER TO THIS REGION. AND SO I THINK WHAT WE'RE HEARING IS CERTAINLY THAT IT'S NOT LOST ON US THAT THESE ARE REALLY HARD DECISIONS AND WHAT I'M HEARING AND SEEING FROM THE PRESENTATION AND FROM THE CONVERSATIONS ON THE COUNCIL IS WE'RE VERY INTERESTED IN MEASURES TO PREVENT NEGATIVE IMPACT. WE WANT TO HELP THIS AREA BY REDUCING THAT IMPACT AND BEING PROACTIVE AND ACTIVE SHOULD SOMETHING NEGATIVE OCCUR. WHICH, AGAIN, IS OUR PRIORITY TO NOT -- TO AVOID THOSE SITUATIONS. I'M APPRECIATIVE THAT WE CONTINUE TO UNDERSCORE THAT THE ENTIRE WELLS' OPERATIONS ARE TEMPORARY. THEY ARE ITEMS THAT WE WOULD USE FOR EMERGENCIES. AND LOOKING THROUGH THE DOCUMENTATION THAT'S PROVIDED HERE, SEEING THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED VARIOUS MEASURES TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON THAT PROJECT. AND I SYMPATHIZE AND FEEL FOR COUNCILWOMAN VAUGHN BECAUSE SHE'S SO CLOSELY CONNECTED TO THIS AREA. I VALUE THAT PASSION THAT SHE ARTICULATES FOR IT. AND IT IS A REALLY HARD SPOT. BUT WE HAVE HAD TO FIND MEASURES TO SOLVE THIS WATER CRISIS AND PREVENT CURTAILMMENT . IN A PERFECT WORLD WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO INTERRUPT OR PURSUE MORE WATER FROM THESE AREAS AND TAKE THESE MEASURES. THERE'S NOT A REALISTIC WAY THAT PRESENTS WATER IN AN IMMEDIATE YIELD OTHER THAN THESE. AND SO THIS IS, TO ME, REALLY WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ITEMS TO PREVENT THE CURTAILMENT UNTIL WE GET LONG-TERM ITEMS IN PLACE. I'M VERY INTERESTED IN SUPPORTING OUR MEASURES THAT ASSURE THESE AREAS THAT THIS DOES REMAIN UTILIZED INTERMITTENTLY. UTILIZED FOR AN EMERGENCY. SO I APPRECIATE THAT THAT'S INCLUDED IN THESE PACKETS TODAY. AND, OF COURSE, ANYTHING AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS WE CAN DO TO CONTINUE THAT, I'LL BE A HUGE SUPPORTER OF. SO THANK YOU TO WHAT YOU'VE PRESENTED TODAY AND FOR FINDING A WAY TO PROVIDE THE WATER WE NEED. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN SCOTT. >> Scott: FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR THE ARSENIC TESTING INFORMATION. I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GREAT LINE OF QUESTIONING. I THINK WE NEED TO SHARE THAT WITH THE PUBLIC. I GET THAT TODAY'S TUESDAY AFTER THE FRIDAY. BUT THAT CONCERN RESONATED WITH ME AND I SAW YOU WERE DOING THE TESTING SO I'M EXCITED. I WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC IN A PROPER MANNER THAT SAYS, HEY, WE GET IT. WE DID THE TEST. THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. WHAT IMPACT COULD -- RANDOM THOUGHT JUST CAME TO ME. WHEN YOU DID THE MATH, 52 CENTS PER THOUSAND, WHAT WAS THE PRODUCTION NUMBER? >> Winkelmann: OH, IT WAS 15. >> Scott: BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN TALK ABOUT UP TO 28, YOU KNOW, THERE HAVE BEEN CONVERSATIONS OR SOME OF YOUR -- MAYBE I'M MAKING THAT UP. BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS THAT NUMBER AND NOT A HIGHER NUMBER AND THEN WE END UP USING LESS AND THEN IT'S HIGHER THAN 52 CENTS PER THOUSAND. >> Winkelmann: CORRECT. >> Scott: TELL ME THE TIMELINE OF BRINGING THAT WATER ONLINE AND HOW IT IMPACTS THE MOVEMENT OF THE LEVEL 1 WATER EMERGENCY ON OUR WINDSHIELD. >> Winkelmann: YEAH. ON OUR DASHBOARD. >> Scott: I'LL GET THE NAME SOME DAY. >> Winkelmann: SO CURRENTLY OUR PROJECTED DATE OF LEVEL 1 WATER EMERGENCY IS NOVEMBER OF 2026. THAT IS A DATE WHEN WE ARE 180 DAYS AWAY FROM NOT HAVING ENOUGH WATER TO MEET OUR DEMAND. SO ONE THING WE'LL TALK ABOUT LATER IN THE WATER SUPPLY UPDATE THAT DOES INCLUDE SOME MINIMUM INFLOWS INTO OUR WESTERN RESERVOIRS -- >> Scott: BUT IT'S LAST YEAR'S INFLOW. >> Winkelmann: AND WE'RE NOT GETTING THAT THIS YEAR. THAT IS CONCERNING. BUT IF THE WESTERN WELLFIELD COMES ONLINE IN MAY -- AND, AGAIN, THIS IS NOT THE NEW PROPERTY PURCHASED. THE WESTERN WELLFIELD COMES ONLINE IN MAY OF THIS YEAR, MAY OF 2026, THAT WOULD PUSH THE DATE BACK FROM NOVEMBER 2026 TO MAY OF 2027. THAT'S AN ESTIMATED DATE AND ESSENTIALLY TIME IS VERY CRITICAL. TIME IS PRESSURING ALL OF US RIGHT NOW. ANY TIME WE CAN GAIN SOME TIME ON OUR SIDE IS VERY CRITICAL. >> Scott: AND IF WE'RE TARGETING THE 15 ERF MGD, WHEN DOES THAT COME ONLINE AND HOW DOES THAT IMPACT THE LEVEL 1 WATER EMERGENCY DATE? >> Winkelmann: SO IT WILL DEFINITELY PUSH IT BACK. I DON'T HAVE ESTIMATES YET ON WHEN IT COMES ONLINE. DEPENDING ON THE VOTE TODAY, WE'LL WORK FAST AND FURIOUS ON THAT AND THEN WE'LL PROVIDE MORE ENGINEERING RESOURCES TO GET THAT DONE, MAPPED, AND PLANNED OUT. ADDITIONALLY, WE'LL GET MORE INPUT FROM CAROLLO, WHICH IS OUR MODELER FOR THE WATER SUPPLY DASHBOARD. IF YOU ADD 15 MGD, YOU WOULD EXPECT IT TO BE PUSHED BACK ANOTHER COUPLE OF MONTHS OR SO. >> Scott: IT'S ALL ABOUT BUYING TIME UNTIL THE OTHER PROJECTS COME ONLINE OR THE GOOD LORD SENDS US RAIN. >> Winkelmann: THE ONLY THING THAT SOLVES THE ISSUE IS THE DIVERSIFIED WATER SUPPLY. >> Scott: TELL ME THE TDS AND THE ERF WELLFIELD. >> Winkelmann: THAT WAS APPROXIMATELY 1680 TDS. >> Scott: WHAT'S OUR EASTERN WELLFIELD? >> Winkelmann: 3300 SO IT'S ABOUT HALF THE TOTAL. >> Scott: WOULD THE GAME PLAN BE POTENTIALLY, IF WE DID DO THE ERF AND THE WATER DOES COME ONLINE, TO INITIALLY PUT WATER IN THE RIVER OR NOT? YOU COULD PUT ERF WATER IN AND BACK OFF ON THE EASTERN WELLFIELD THEORETICALLY HAVE LESS TDS IN THE RIVER. >> Winkelmann: ONE THING I WANT TO REMIND ALL OF YOU IS THE EASTERN WELLFIELD WAS DONE VERY QUICKLY SO THAT WE COULD GET WATER. AND WE BENEFITED FROM THAT. THANK GOODNESS WE HAVE THAT. BUT ONCE WE'RE IN A BETTER POSITION, MY OPERATIONAL REQUIREMENTS, I WOULD SAY THAT WE WOULD CERTAINLY CUT BACK ON THE EASTERN WELLFIELD AND YOU WOULD USE THE LOWER TDS WATER FROM THE WESTERN WELLFIELD. >> Scott: YOU KNOW, IF YOU NEED THE WATER, YOU NEED THE WATER. YOU COULD HAVE ALL FAUCETS GOING AS HIGH AS POSSIBLE TO MEET OUR DEMAND. I DON'T WANT TO INDICATE TO THE PUBLIC THAT WE'RE AUTOMATICALLY GOING TO SLOW DOWN ON THE EASTERN WELLFIELD. THAT WOULD BE A HOPE, THOUGH. I'M AN OUTLIER HERE, THANKS TO MY FRIENDS WITH THE NUECES GROUNDWATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT. I WAS AT THAT MEETING, OUT IN THE NORTHWEST, AND THERE WAS A QUESTION OF YOU ALL -- BECAUSE I WAS STANDING ASIDE. ARE THERE GOING TO BE MORE WELLS? ARE YOU GOING TO DO MORE? AND MY DEAR FRIENDS BACK THERE SAID I DON'T KNOW. ASK MARK SCOTT. AT FIRST THAT WAS AN INTERESTING STATEMENT. THEN I REALIZED THAT WAS MY POSITION. I HAVE ADVOCATED FOR LOOKING FOR ADDITIONAL WATER OPPORTUNITIES IN NUECES COUNTY. AND I DID THAT FOR TWO REASONS. I HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THE COST OF THE SAN PATRICIO PROJECT. WHICH IS FINE. WE MOVED BEYOND THAT. AND THEN THE ABILITY TO CONTROL OUR OWN DESTINY. SO I HAVE ADVOCATED FOR MORE WELLS IN NUECES COUNTY. SO I ADVOCATED BACK THEN AND I ADVOCATE NOW. SO I AM JUST IN A DIFFERENT POSITION. I DON'T THINK I'M CHANGING MY POSITION FROM THEN TO NOW. I'M SUPPORTIVE. THE LAST THING IS I THINK THERE OUGHT TO BE -- MAYBE YOU HAVE DONE IT AND I HAVEN'T PAID ATTENTION. THE GOOD NEIGHBOR PROGRAM. I WOULD NAME IT AND ARTICULATE THE FIVE THINGS IT MEANS. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE IT'S OUR WELL THAT'S IMPACTING YOUR WELL BECAUSE THE RATEPAYER DOESN'T NECESSARILY WANT US TO SPEND MONEY ON YOUR WELL IF IT'S NOT OUR WELL'S FAULT. BUT I DO THINK ARTICULATING A GOOD NEIGHBOR PROGRAM IS BENEFICIAL. I APPRECIATE YOUR WORK ON THIS. I GET THAT THIS IS A DIFFICULT TIME BUT I DO APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE THAT LEVEL 1 WATER EMERGENCY FURTHER AWAY TO ALLOW US MORE TIME TO BRING OTHER PROJECTS, I.E. THE SAN PATRICIO PROJECT OR OUR OTHERS. IT BUYS US TIME. APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU HAVE DONE AND SUPPORT IT. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ. >> Hernandez: OKAY, NICK. I DON'T MEAN TO BEAT YOU UP BUT I APPRECIATE THE MEETING AT 4:00 ON FRIDAY AFTERNOON LAST WEEK. BUT THIS IS ALL KIND OF CLEAR AS MUD. I APPRECIATE THE LETTER FROM INTERA. I THINK THAT CAME DIRECTLY FROM THAT MEETING. BUT THEY'RE SAYING 15 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY AND I THINK WE WERE PLANNING FOR 24 MILLION GALLONS. IS THAT CORRECT? >> Winkelmann: WHEN WE MET ON FRIDAY, WE USED THE NUMBER FOR 15 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY. ONE THING TO THINK ABOUT IS THE BRACKISH RO TREATMENT THAT WE'VE BEEN INVESTIGATING AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. THAT IS FOR RAW WATER AT 24 MGD. BUT REMEMBER WE HAVE OUR WESTERN WELLFIELD, WHICH LONG TERM WOULD MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE. >> Hernandez: SO EASTERN WELLFIELDS ARE TEMPORARY, RIGHT? >> Winkelmann: I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY NONE OF THE ASSETS ARE TEMPORARY BECAUSE WE WANT TO HAVE THEM IN CASE THE CITY IS IN A CRISIS IN THE FUTURE. >> Hernandez: I UNDERSTAND BUT YOU HAVE TO GO BACK AND GET MORE PERMITS FROM TCEQ TO GO BEYOND THE THREE YEARS. >> Winkelmann: THE BED AND BANKS PERMIT IS TEMPORARY. IT'S A THREE-YEAR TEMPORARY BED AND BANKS PERMIT. YES SIR. >> Hernandez: BUT THIS SAYS 15 MILLION -- ADD UP TO 15 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY TO THE CITY'S EASTERN AND WESTERN WELLFIELDS IN NUECES COUNTY. SO THIS IS NOT SAYING FINISHED WATER, IT'S JUST SAYING MGD TO THE WATER FROM THE WELLFIELD. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT AFTER IT'S -- HE DOESN'T MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT BRACKISH -- THIS BEING -- >> Winkelmann: CORRECT. THANK YOU. STEVE YOUNG IS A HYDROGEOLOGIST. HE'S NOT ON STAFF FOR WATER TREATMENT. >> Hernandez: HE'S ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE WATER COMING OUT OF THE GROUND. >> Winkelmann: HE'S TALKING ABOUT RAW WATER PRODUCED FROM THE AQUIFER, CORRECT. >> Hernandez: SO THIS IS ROUGHLY 24 -- A LITTLE OVER 24,000 ACRES, 42,080 ACRES, SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE. AND THE PROPERTY WE PURCHASED IS -- >> Winkelmann: 2400 ACRES . I THOUGHT YOU SAID 25,000. IT'S 2500. >> Hernandez: 2,480 IF YOU'RE ROUNDING. INTERA IS TELLING US WE CAN GET UP TO 15 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY FROM THAT PROPERTY. BASED ON THE LETTER THAT YOU HAVE HERE. >> Winkelmann: BASED ON THE DATA THAT WE HAVE NOW. CORRECT. >> Hernandez: AND THEN ON THE 251 ACRES, YOU TOLD US YOU WERE GOING TO GET 17 MILLION GALLONS A DAY. >> Winkelmann: THAT WAS INTERA STATED 17 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY. >> Hernandez: DO YOU SEE THE DISPARITY, WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE IS THAT 251 ACRES, 17 MILLION GALLONS A DAY. 2400 ACRES, 15 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. >> Winkelmann: RIGHT. WHAT I SEE FROM A HYDROGEOLOGIC STANDPOINT IS THE ADDITION OF MORE PROPERTY TO SPREAD WELLS OUT INTO WHAT STEVE IS PROVIDING IS BASICALLY, DEPENDING UPON TESTS, UP-TO NUMBERS THAT WE CAN SAFELY REMOVE FROM THE AQUIFER. I DON'T SEE DISPARITY, I SEE THE CHANCE TO ADD MORE PROPERTY TO SEPARATE THOSE WELLS AND TO BETTER PLAN AND MODIFY THAT. >> Hernandez: I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I'M TRYING TO CLEAR THIS UP BECAUSE IT'S CLEAR AS MUD FOR ME RIGHT NOW. SO HOW MANY WELLS DID YOU HAVE PLANNED FOR THE 251 ACRES? >> Winkelmann: 12 WELLS. >> Hernandez: 12 WELLS ON 251 ACRES AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT 12 WELLS FOR THE 2400 ACRES. >> Winkelmann: THE OTHER COMMENT I DO WANT TO BRING UP, THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE WOULD RUN ALL WELLS AT THE SAME TIME. WELLS REQUIRE REDUNDANCY, CERTAINLY AS WATER LEVELS ARE UNDERSTOOD. IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU FLIP THE SWITCH AND WALK AWAY. IT'S A DAILY MONITORING. IT'S A DAILY OPERATION. >> Hernandez: ALL RIGHT. SO THERE'S SOME QUESTION HERE AS TO THIS. NOW, THERE'S ALSO THE QUESTION ON THE DOLLAR AMOUNT OF $28 MILLION. WHAT ARE YOU VALUING THOSE SIX WATER WELLS AT? >> Winkelmann: I WOULD SAY THE SIX WATER WELLS -- I'M VALUING THAT AT $9 MILLION. >> Hernandez: AT 1.5 MILLION PER WELL WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE POWER EVERYTHING. >> Winkelmann: YEAH. >> Hernandez: YOU'RE PAYING $9 MILLION FOR WELLS AND $19 MILLION FOR PROPERTY WHICH COMES OUT TO STILL $7,665 PER ACRE. IS THAT THE GOING PRICE PER ACRE OUT THERE? >> Winkelmann: I'M NOT A REAL ESTATE EXPERT, COUNCILMAN, AND I'M NOT GOING TO OFFER AN OPINION ON THAT. >> Zanoni: EXCUSE ME, COUNCILMAN. WE'RE NOT BUYING THE PROPERTY. >> Hernandez: I UNDERSTAND THAT BUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS HAVE A RELATIVE COMPARISON. I THINK WE'RE PAYING MORE FOR THIS BRACKISH WATER THAN WE ARE FOR EVANGELINE WATER, FOR THE WATER RIGHTS. SECONDLY, THE AMOUNT OF WATER AT 15 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY -- I DID SOME REVERSE MATH HERE. LOOKING AT AN ACRE FOOT -- IF WE'RE LOOKING AT ONE ACRE FOOT PER ACRE, THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 2.2 MILLION GALLONS A DAY. BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 15 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY, WHICH IS WHAT'S ON THE LETTER. THAT'S SEVEN ACRE FEET OF WATER PER ACRE PER YEAR. AND IF WE GO UP TO 24, THAT WOULD BE 11-ACRE FEET OF WATER PER YEAR. SO WHAT IS A REGULATION -- WHAT KIND OF STANDARD ARE WE HAVING? >> Winkelmann: I THINK THE STANDARD IS THOSE LOWER PORTIONS, THE EVANGELINE AQUIFER IN NUECES COUNTY IS BARELY UTILIZED BECAUSE OF THE TDS. THE BETTER TDS WATER IS THE SHALLOWER WATER. IT'S IN THE LISSE FORMATION. THAT'S WHY THEY ARE ALL 250 TO 300 FEET DEEP. WE ARE TARGETING PRODUCTION FROM A PORTION OF THE AQUIFER THAT IS NOT COMMONLY UTILIZED IN NUECES COUNTY. SO WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AT IT IN THAT PERSPECTIVE. >> Hernandez: RIGHT. I BELIEVE WE WERE GOING TO LOOK AT THE 800 TO 1,000 FEET IS WHAT YOU SAID? >> Winkelmann: YEAH. SO THE WELLS ON THE WESTERN WELLFIELD TYPICALLY THE PRODUCTION SCREENS START APPROXIMATELY 540 FEET. AND THERE'S DIFFERENT SCREENS AND BLANKS, DEPENDING UPON THE CLAY LAYERS. TYPICALLY THE WELLS TERMINATE ABOUT 820 FEET PLUS OR M MINUS . >> Hernandez: IS THERE ANY PROVISION IN THIS CONTRACT THAT IF WE CANNOT PRODUCE -- AND I BELIEVE THE CONTRACT WAS BASED ON 24 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY . IS THAT NOT CORRECT? >> Winkelmann: THE CONTRACT IS BASED ON THE WATER RIGHTS FOR THAT AREA OF LAND. >> Hernandez: OKAY. WE ARE PAYING FOR WATER RIGHTS FOR AN UP-TO AMOUNT. SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE DON'T PRODUCE THAT, THEN WE'RE PAYING MORE FOR PER MILLION GALLONS A DAY RIGHT? >> Winkelmann: I WOULD GO BACK TO YOUR GROUNDWATER PROJECTS. AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT. WE'RE NOT EXPECTED TO PRODUCE IT 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, 365 DAYS A YEAR UNTIL ETERNITY, WE'VE GOT TO MANAGE THE RESOURCES. >> Hernandez: BUT YOU'RE BASING IT ON -- I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S 7 OR 11-ACRE FEET PER YEAR PER ACRE. WHAT IS THIS PURCHASE BASED ON? ABOUT HOW MUCH WATER ARE WE SUPPOSED TO GET TO PAY THE $28 MILLION? >> Winkelmann: THE PURCHASE IS BASED UPON WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE AQUIFER. AND I HAD IT ON THE SLIDE. BUT THE PRELIMINARY DATA IS SHOWING THAT THAT IS THE LOWER TDS WATER IN THAT PORTION OF THE AQUIFER IN NUECES COUNTY. WHICH SAVES US QUITE A BIT OF FINANCIAL MONEY, WHEN YOU LOOK INTO BRACKISH RO TREATMENT. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT, WE SHOULD LOOK AT THE ENTIRE PICTURE. >> Hernandez: I STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE PAYING FOR. LIKE, HOW MUCH WATER ARE WE PAYING FOR FOR THE $28 MILLION. >> Winkelmann: UP TO 15 MGD. BUT THE DATA MAY SHOW MORE MAY BE AVAILABLE. >> Hernandez: OR LESS. >> Winkelmann: POSSIBLY. >> Hernandez: IT'S NOT BASED ON THE 24 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY, IT'S BASED ON 15 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY NOW. >> Winkelmann: THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING, YES, SIR. >> Hernandez: SO THE VALUE HAS ACTUALLY GONE DOWN. >> Winkelmann: I THINK IT'S AN EXTREMELY VALUABLE AGREEMENT. I DON'T THINK THE VALUE'S GONE DOWN AT ALL. AGAIN, THE VALUE IS THE PROXIMITY, THE LOCATION TO NUECES COUNTY, THE PROXIMITY TO THE WESTERN WELLFIELD AND THE ABILITY FOR US TO TREAT, IN THE FUTURE, 24 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY OF GROUNDWATER THROUGH BRACKISH RO. >> Hernandez: OKAY, NICK. I DON'T HAVE A CLEAR VIEW OF WHAT THE COST PER WATER IS HERE ON A PER THOUSAND GALLON BASIS OR ON AN ACRE FOOT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M PAYING FOR. >> Winkelmann: I GAVE YOU THE NUMBERS FRIDAY BUT CAMILLE CAN GIVE YOU THE COST PER THOUSAND GALLONS AGAIN, COUNCILMAN. >> Hernandez: WAS THAT BASED ON THE 24 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY OR 15 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY? >> Winkelmann: 15, SIR. JUST LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT FRIDAY. 15MILLION GALLONS PER DAY. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. >> Hernandez: THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN CANTU. >> Cantu: THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, NICK. YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB. THIS IS VERY STRESSFUL FOR YOU, I'M SURE. I'M SURE I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO DREAMS ABOUT WATER. DO YOU DREAM ABOUT WATER A LOT? >> Winkelmann: EVERY NIGHT. >> Cantu: I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION ABOUT THIS AND I JUST WANTED TO TELL YOU THAT I'M GOING TO ABSTAIN ON THIS ISSUE BECAUSE I STILL NEED MORE INFORMATION. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE REALLY GOING TO DO AND STUFF AND I JUST DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE VOTING ON THIS. BUT I DO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK. I KNOW THIS IS STRESSFUL. I KNOW COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ CAN BE STRESSFUL SOMETIMES. [LAUGHTER] BUT I WANT TO THANK YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB AND I CAN'T SAY THAT ENOUGH. I TELL PEOPLE ALL THE TIME I LIKE YOU THE BEST SO FAR THAT I EXPERIENCED HERE WITH THE CITY. SO I THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICES OKAY? THANKS. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN ROY. >> Roy: THANKS FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I JUST HAVE ONE QUICK COMMENT. DOES THE CITY STAFF, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY THAT IS AN AGRICULTURAL EXPERT ON OUR STAFF? AGRICULTURAL. >> Zanoni: WE HAVE SOME HORTICULTURISTS. >> Roy: I LIVE OUT IN CALALLEN AND I WAS HAVING DINNER AND THE CONVERSATION CAME UP WITH SOME PEOPLE I KNEW THERE ABOUT THE WHOLE WATER ISSUE. IT'S EVERYWHERE. PEOPLE TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT. ONE OF THE THINGS I TALKED ABOUT -- AND THEY LAUGHED AT ME. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS, I'M NOT IN AGRICULTURE, BUT THEY GOT ON THE SUBJECT OF DRY FARMING. BASICALLY WHAT THEY SAID TO ME IS THE MAJORITY OF FARMERS OUT IN OUR AREA -- NOW THIS IS NOT RANCHERS. I'M TALKING ABOUT FARMERS. DRY FARM. SO I THINK THE WAY THAT IT WAS EXPLAINED TO ME IS THAT BASICALLY THEY DON'T IRRIGATE. SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO UNDERSTAND. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND. THE OTHER THING THEY SHOWED ME WAS AN AERIAL VIEW. I HAVE ACTUALLY SEEN THIS WHEN I WENT TO CCW BECAUSE THERE WAS SOMEBODY THERE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING WHEN IT COMES TO STORMWATER AND WASTEWATER. YOU CAN TELL FROM AN AERIAL VIEW WHO IRRIGATES AND WHO DOESN'T. IT LOOKS LIKE A CROP CIRCLE. I WOULD LIKE SOMEBODY TO GIVE US A PRESENTATION TO UNDERSTAND THAT AND REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THE TRUE DEMAND. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT YOUR AVERAGE NOVICE GARDENERS. I DON'T HAVE A GARDEN NOW. BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THAT. I THINK THAT WOULD REALLY HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE AT AND WHAT WE'RE DOING. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE ARE WE DOING HARM. BUT CLEARLY IT WAS STATED TO ME THAT WHATEVER OCCURS WITH THE TYPE OF CROPS THAT ARE INDICATIVE TO OUR AREA THAT MOST FARMERS DRY FARM. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILWOMAN CAMPOS. >> Campos: THIS QUESTION WAS SENT TO ME. THE QUESTION WAS: IF WE BUILD A BRACKISH PLANT, THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO RUN THESE AT A HIGH OUTPUT. WHAT WOULD THE BRACKISH PLANT'S OUTPUT BE? WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT? >> Winkelmann: WHAT WE'VE LOOKED INTO IS IT WOULD BASICALLY BE 85% OF THE 24 MGD. >> Campos: 85% OF THE TOTAL -- >> Winkelmann: OF THE TOTAL RAW COMING IN. >> Campos: AND I ALSO DO HAVE THE POWERPOINT OF THE COST PER GALLON UP HERE FOR THIS PROJECT. IF I'M READING THIS CORRECTLY, Y'ALL JUST BRIEFED US FRIDAY. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO WAIT. I BELIEVE IT'S $3.64 FOR NEW WATER SUPPLY COSTS PER 1,000 FOR THIS PROJECT. >> Winkelmann: RIGHT. SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF NUMBERS ON THERE. ONE IS THE EASTERN/WESTERN WELLFIELD. I'M GOING TO LET CAMILLE TALK THROUGH THAT. >> THERE'S MULTIPLE -- YOU ARE CORRECT. THERE'S THE COST PER THOUSAND OF THE PROJECT. AND THEN THERE'S THE RATE IMPACT PER THOUSAND OF SAID PROJECT. SO THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT NUMBERS. THE COST FOR -- LET ME BRING IT UP AGAIN. I APOLOGIZE. >> Campos: AND YOU ALL ARE CORRECT THAT IT WAS BASED ON 15 MGD, NOT THE 24 MGD. I DON'T KNOW. ANYWAY BUT YEAH. YOU'VE GOT SOME OTHER COLUMNS HERE WITH THE CURRENT RAW WATER RATE PER ONE THOUSAND. >> FOR THAT PROJECT, IF WE INCLUDE OF COURSE THE CONVEYANCE AND THE RO, THE COST OF THE PROJECT IS AT $3.64 PER THOUSAND. THE RATE IMPACT IS 52 CENTS PER THOUSAND OR FOR A REGULAR RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER USING 6,000 GALLONS, IT'S $3.12. ONE IS A BLENDED RATE IMPACT. ONE IS THE JUST THIS PROJECT AMOUNT OF MONEY DIVIDED BY VOLUME. >> Campos: I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. THAT'S WHY WE ASK FOR THIS INFORMATION AND WE ALL WANTED A TABLE JUST TO KEEP UP WITH ALL THE PROJECTS AND WHAT IT WOULD COST PER PROJECT. SO, AGAIN, I FEEL FOR YOU GUYS. I KNOW Y'ALL ARE DOING THE BEST. I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS. I KNOW IT'S -- WE NEED WATER AND WE'RE AT A TIME WHERE WE CAN'T MESS AROUND. I MEAN, THIS IS JUST THE ONLY OTHER WAY I'M HOPING WE CAN DO -- AND I KNOW WE CAN'T CONSERVE OUR WAY OUT OF IT. BUT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF WE JUST RECEIVED THE TOP TEN WATER USERS. I HAD REQUESTED IT. AND AGAIN, ACCORDING TO THOSE NUMBERS, THE TOP TEN WATER USERS ARE NOT PULLING BACK. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS SHOULD BE A WAKE-UP CALL. THERE NEEDS TO BE A WAY THAT THEY CAN CONSERVE. AND I HOPE THEY DO IT. AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT UNLESS WE FORCE THEM. BUT, AGAIN, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS PROJECT. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE, YOU KNOW, JUST EXPLORE ALL THE PROJECTS THAT WE POSSIBLY CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE SERVICE ALL OUR WATER CUSTOMERS. ALL 500,000. AND OF COURSE THAT WOULD INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, OUR LARGE-WATER USERS. I'M REALLY STILL SPEAKING TO THEM AND REALLY IMPLORING THAT THEY DO SOMETHING BETTER THAN WHAT THEY'RE DOING NOW. SO, THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN SCOTT. >> Scott: I'LL BE QUICK, MAYOR. I GOT NO HEARTBURN WITH WHAT ANYBODY IS SAYING HERE OR WHAT THE PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE. I HEAR EVERYBODY. THE ONE THING I WANT TO THROW BACK AT YOU IS I THOUGHT IT WAS 24. THAT WAS THE NUMBER I WAS THINKING. AND THEN WE'RE SAYING 15. BUT IF INTERA COMES BACK AND SAYS, HEY, WE'VE DONE SOME MORE AND WE THINK YOU CAN GET 20, I DON'T WANT YOU GUYS TO GET BEAT UP THAT NO, YOU TOLD US 15. YOU MADE A COMMENT EARLIER IN YOUR PRESENTATION THAT IT COULD BE MORE BASED ON FURTHER DATA. JUST RUN OVER THAT ONE MORE TIME. >> Winkelmann: ABSOLUTELY. EVERY TIME ONE OF OUR WELLS ARE DRILLED, THERE IS -- WE CONDUCT AN AQUIFER TEST. SO THAT INCLUDES TEST PUMPING THE WELL. IT INCLUDES INSTALLING PRESSURE TRANSMITTERS IN DIFFERENT MONITORING WELL LOCATIONS AND IN OTHER WELLS SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND HOW THE AQUIFER IS REACTING. SO WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE EASTERN WELLFIELD. WE CONTINUE TO DO IT IN THE WESTERN WELLFIELD. WE WOULD DO IT IN THE ERF PROPERTY ALSO. AND AS THAT DATA COMES BACK, THE MODEL THAT INTERA IS RUNNING IS UPDATED. AND THEN THEY PROVIDE US FEEDBACK. IT'S A VERY ROBUST MODEL WITH MULTIPLE LAYERS TRYING TO IDENTIFY AND CONFIRM ALL THOSE CLAY LAYERS SO WE KNOW WHICH PARTS OF THE AQUIFER ARE CONFINING LAYERS. >> Scott: THE POINT IS I WAS HEARING 24 AND NOW WE'RE TALKING 15, WHICH IS FINE. IF THAT'S WHAT THE DATA SAYS, I'M NOT GOING TO ARGUE. IF IT COMES BACK 18, I DON'T WANT YOU GUYS TO GET BEAT UP BECAUSE YOU SAID 15. >> Zanoni: THANK YOU. THE LETTER -- SO NICK ASKED INTERA FOR THE LETTER AND WE GOT IT TODAY THAT THE SCIENCE HAS BEEN OUT THERE FOR YEARS. THIS FORMATION HAS BEEN STUDIED DECADES AGO, LIKE IN THE '80s. BUT IN THE LETTER WE GOT TODAY IN FRONT OF COUNCIL, THE FONT IS SMALL, BUT THE WORD "PROVISIONAL" IS IN HERE SEVERAL TIMES. OUR HYDROGEOLOGIST IS TELLING YOU YOU CAN GET 15 MILLION GALLONS BUT IT COULD BE MORE, COULD BE LESS. THE THREE MAIN DRIVERS, ONE IS THE MODEL REMAINS A WORK IN PROGRESS. AS DATA IS PROVIDED TO HIM, THINGS COULD CHANGE. THE WORK IS ONGOING TO IMPROVE THE MODEL'S ABILITY TO PREDICT LAND SUBSIDENCE. WE'LL PUT THAT DATA IN AS TIME GOES ON. HE EVEN MENTIONS THINGS ABOUT LAND SUBSIDENCE, REGIONAL DRAW DOWNS HAVE TO BE FURTHER ESTABLISHED. THE LETTER HE GAVE US TODAY SAYS PROVISIONAL. HE IS SAYING BASED ON MY EXPERTISE, BASED ON THE FACT THAT I'M THE STATE'S BEST HYDROGEOLOGIST, I'M TELLING YOU YOU CAN GET 15 MILLION GALLONS. WE'RE GOING TO BELIEVE STEVE YOUNG. >> Scott: I BELIEVE HIM. >> Zanoni: I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING IT UP BECAUSE IT GIVES US A CHANCE TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR ON THE RECORD. THE 15 MILLION GALLONS IS THE BEST ESTIMATE THE HYDROGEOLOGIST HAS GIVEN US. >> Scott: I GET IT. THAT'S BAD MATH, MAYBE GOOD FOR THE AQUIFER BUT BAD FOR THE MATH. I GET ALL OF THAT. I DIDN'T WANT YOU GUYS TO GET LOCKED IN THE 15. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILWOMAN VAUGHN. >> Vaughn: I'M SURE ALL HYDROLOGISTS SAY THEY'RE THE BEST IN THE STATE. MARK, YOU'RE SUCH A DIPLOMAT, YOU JUST LOVE EVERYBODY. >> Scott: [OFF MIC] >> Vaughn: I'M GOING TO SAY THIS AND I'M DONE. Y'ALL KNOW HOW I FEEL. WHAT I HEARD TODAY WAS THAT WE ARE WORRIED ABOUT CURTAILMENT, WHICH WE ARE. THERE'S NOT A BIGGER SUPPORTER FOR INDUSTRY, NO MATTER WHAT THEY THINK, THAN I AM. I SUPPORT IT COMPLETELY. BUT I WILL ALWAYS PUT PEOPLE OVER PROFIT AND MONEY. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO COUNT. WE MAY GO TO CURTAILMENT. WE MAY NOT HAVE ANY CHOICE. ALL THOSE PEOPLE, WHEN THEY HAD THOSE WELLS OUT THERE IN THE '80s, IT WAS NOT AS POPULATED. THAT WHOLE AREA HAS CHANGED. TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN IT WAS 20, 30 YEARS AGO. AM I CONCERNED? YOU BET I AM. THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO REMEMBER THAT THIS IS THE CITY'S FAULT. THEY HAD NO PLAN. THEY MAY HAVE LOOKED AT DIFFERENT THINGS BUT THEY DIDN'T DO ANY ACTION. WE DIDN'T GET ANYTHING. THAT'S WHY WE ARE WHERE WE ARE TODAY. AND THAT'S A SHAME. BUT I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT IT BECAUSE I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. TO ME, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MOVE FORWARD. I KNOW, MR. ZANONI, Y'ALL ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE CURTAILMENT AND THE RUSH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WOULD HURT TO WAIT ONE MORE WEEK. THEY'RE ALL FOR IT, I CAN TELL, THE MAJORITY. AND THAT'S FINE. BUT I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT IT. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ. >> Hernandez: OKAY. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE PAYING FOR. I UNDERSTAND WE'RE GOING TO PAY $28 MILLION FOR WATER RIGHTS BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT EQUATES TO AND WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY PAYING. IN THE LETTER IT SAYS UP TO 15 MILLION. IT DOESN'T SAY THERE'S A POSSIBILITY FOR MORE. IT JUST SAYS UP TO 15 MILLION. I KNOW YOU'RE TELLING ME IT COULD BE POSSIBLY BE MORE BUT IN REALITY, WE HAVE 85% OF THAT 15 MILLION NOT THE 15 MILLION. RIGHT? >> Winkelmann: THE TREATMENT, IF TREATMENT IS APPROVED BY COUNCIL, THE TREATMENT WOULD BE DESIGNED TO TAKE 24 MGD OF RAW WATER AND TREAT IT WHERE THE OUTPUT WOULD BE 85%. SOME OF THAT 24 MGD WOULD COME FROM THE WESTERN WELLFIELD. IT WOULDN'T ALL COME FROM THE ED RACHAL PROPERTY. >> Hernandez: LIKE I SAID, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE PAYING FOR. LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE BECAUSE THERE'S NOT LIKE, OKAY, WE'RE PAYING THIS MUCH PER ACRE FOOT OF WATER. WE HAD THAT FOR EVANGELINE, WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT FOR THIS. SO, YOU KNOW, BUT WE'RE ALSO TAKING A LOT MORE ACRE FEET PER ACRE THAN WE ARE IN SAN PATRICIO. THEY HAVE A SPECIFIC RULE OF 1.25-ACRE FEET PER ACRE. THE CALCULATION I DID, NAPKIN MATH, IS ABOUT 7-ACRE FEET OF WATER PER ACRE. NOW, I WOULD HAVE HOPED TO HAVE GOTTEN THAT FROM YOU GUYS SO WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING SO WE CAN COMMUNICATE TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT AREA WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY TAKING. SO IF IT GOES UP FROM THAT, WE HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION. >> Winkelmann: YEAH. I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THE MODEL IS CONTINUOUSLY UPDATED AS MORE INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE. AND IF THE SCIENCE SHOWS THAT THE TARGET IS MORE OR LESS THAN 15 MGD THAT WE NEED TO ALERT AND NOTIFY THE COMMUNITY. DID I GET THAT RIGHT? >> Hernandez: IDEALLY IT WOULD BE BEST IF THERE WAS MORE WATER AVAILABLE BUT I STRUGGLE WITH THIS BECAUSE STEVE TOLD US ON THE 251 ACRES WE CAN GET 17 MILLION GALLONS A DAY. NOW HE'S TELLING US ON THE 2400 ACRES, 15 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY. THEY DON'T CORRELATE. RIGHT? >> Winkelmann: IT'S ACTUALLY THE CORRELATION IS THE REASON WHY. IF THE 17 MGD WASN'T THERE, THE 15 MGD WOULD BE GREATER. SO THE CORRELATION IS EXACTLY THE REASON WHY. >> Hernandez: HE DIDN'T EXPLAIN THAT IN HIS LETTER. IT DIDN'T SAY ANY OF THAT. IT WAS A LOT OF LEGALESE ABOUT POSSIBILITIES AND, YOU KNOW, STUDIES AND THEN HE SAID ONLY UP TO 15 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY. THIS IS WHAT I REALLY WANTED US TO HAVE FROM INTERA WAS SOME SOLID INFORMATION FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE. NO LEGALESE, NO, YOU KNOW, HEMMING AND HAWING. JUST TELL US WHAT WE CAN GET AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR. THANK YOU. >> Zanoni: JUST FOR THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE, NICK HAS BEEN UNDER -- WE'RE WORKING EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK. I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU SOME NUMBERS AND WE'RE GOING TO DO SOME QUICK MATH. EVANGELINE IS 24 MGD. THAT WELLFIELD. THE PURCHASE PRICE FOR THE WATER RIGHTS IS $169 MILLION. SO IF YOU DO THE MATH, THAT MEANS $7.04 PER GALLON PER DAY. $7 PER GALLON PER DAY FOR EVANGELINE. >> [OFF MIC] >> Zanoni: PER GALLON PER DAY. PER DAY, COUNCILMAN. YOU TAKE $169 MILLION DIVIDED BY 24 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY. WE'RE GOING TO GET 24 MILLION GALLONS A DAY AND $169 MILLION THAT EQUALS $7.04. IF YOU TAKE THIS MATH, WHICH IS THE $28 MILLION -- >> Hernandez: [OFF MIC] >> Zanoni: YOU CAN DO MORE MATH. I'M DOING IT REAL SIMPLE HERE. IF YOU TAKE THE $28 MILLION, IT'S ABOUT $9 MILLION FOR THE WELLS. DEDUCT THAT FROM THE WATER RIGHT PURCHASE. AND THEN THEY PUT IN ROADS AND POWER SO I ESTIMATED $2 MILLION. DEDUCT THAT. YOU'RE TALKING $17 MILLION FOR THE WATER RIGHT PURCHASE. AT 15 MGD THAT EQUALS $1.13. SO THIS IS -- WHAT IS THAT? SIX TIMES LESS. $1 VERSUS $7 FOR THE SAME WATER RIGHT. THIS ONE HAS TDS THAT'S A LITTLE HIGHER OBVIOUSLY. >> Hernandez: [OFF MIC] >> Zanoni: I'M JUST DOING SIMPLE MATH. I'M JUST DOING SIMPLE MATH. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN, ARE YOU DONE? ALL RIGHT. SO PETER. WE'RE GOING TO OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS ITEM. BUT I HAVE TO ASK YOU. ARE YOU RECOMMENDING THIS? >> Zanoni: YES, WE ARE. WE'RE RECOMMENDING THIS. >> Mayor Guajardo: EXPLAIN WHY QUICKLY. BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE ALL HAD GREAT POINTS. AGAIN, AS OTHERS MENTIONED, IT'S A BIG DECISION. IT'S A DIFFICULT DECISION. TELL US WHY YOU ARE RECOMMENDING THIS. WHY THIS IS OF URGENCY. >> Zanoni: RIGHT. SO USING SOME MORE SIMPLE NUMBERS. RIGHT NOW WE BRING IN 40 MILLION GALLONS FROM THE TWO WESTERN RESERVOIRS EVERY DAY. 40MILLION AND THEN YOU ADD 70-PLUS FROM THE EASTERN SOURCES. THAT TAKES CARE OF OUR SUPPLY. CHOKE CANYON AND LAKE CORPUS CHRISTI ARE DWINDLING AWAY TO ZERO EVENTUALLY. SO WE HAVE TO BACKFILL 40 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER. THE WESTERN WELLFIELDS WILL COME ON SOON. THAT ADDS 17 MILLION. WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT EVANGELINE, IF WE GET THE PERMITS, IS BY NOVEMBER WE CAN EXPECT 4 MILLION. AND MORE COMES ON EVERY MONTH THEREAFTER. BUT IF YOU TAKE 17 PLUS 4, THAT'S 21 AND THAT'S NOT 40. SO 17 PLUS 4 IS 21. 40 IS THE GOAL BY THE FALL. THAT'S WHEN WE EXPECT THE WESTERN RESERVOIRS TO BE ZERO. WE NEED MORE WATER AND THERE'S NO OTHER PROJECT. DESAL IS A THREE-YEAR PROJECT. HARBOR ISLAND IS A THREE TO FIVE-YEAR PROJECT. THIS IS THE NEXT AND ONLY SOURCE OF WATER THAT WE'RE AWARE OF. AND THIS ADDS 15. IF YOU TAKE 21 PLUS 15, THAT'S 36. WE'RE ALMOST THERE. IF WE PUSH OFF THE USE OF THE WESTERN RESERVOIRS, THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE AFTER NOVEMBER. BUT THAT'S THE MATH. IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE. IT'S 17 FROM THE WEST, 4 FROM EVANGELINE, BEGINNING IN NOVEMBER. THAT'S 21. THIS IS 15. AND THAT'S 36. SO THAT JUST ABOUT GETS US THERE. WITHOUT THIS, IF YOU TAKE THIS OUT, IF WE DON'T APPROVE THIS PROJECT, IF WE DON'T DO IT, THEN WE WILL BE IN CURTAILMENT SOONER THAN LATER BECAUSE WE'RE ONLY GETTING HALF THE WATER THAT WE NEED. HALF OF THE 40. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, PETER. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ON ITEM NO. 25? IS THERE ANYONE ELSE AFTER THIS GENTLEMAN? IF YOU'LL COME UP. >> SCOTT, NUECES COUNTY. I WANT TO SAY I BELIEVE IT WAS OCTOBER 21st AT THE MEETING HERE. PETER DIRECTED ALL Y'ALL TO HAVE MEETS WITH US WITH THE NUECES CONSERVATION DISTRICT PROPOSED. Y'ALL HAVE NOT HAD THIS. HAVE YOU HAD IT, COUNCILMAN ROY, WE COULD HAVE YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED ARGUMENT THE FARMERS. Y'ALL KEEP TALKING ABOUT WE GOT TO DO THIS UNTIL OTHER PRODUCTS COME ONLINE. EVERY OTHER PROJECT Y'ALL HAVE TO COME ONLINE, IT'S ALL GROUNDWATER. EVERY BIT OF IT. THE GROUNDWATER HERE IN NUECES COUNTY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PULL FROM IS THE SAME GROUNDWATER YOU'RE GOING TO PULL FROM IN SAN PAT. IT'S ALL THE SAME SOURCE. YOU'RE NOT DIVERSIFYING. WE WENT FROM HAVING TO GET THESE WELLS TO BRIDGE THE GAP TO DESAL. NO LONGER ARE WE BRIDGING THE GAP TO DESAL, IT'S ALL ABOUT DIVERSIFICATION. WE NEED MORE GROUNDWATER. Y'ALL KEEP TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE PROJECTS. 17 HERE, 11 HERE, 24. ADD IT ALL UP. YOU GOT 28 MILLION GALLONS FROM YOUR NUECES PROJECTS CURRENTLY. 24MILLION GALLONS ARE GOING TO COME FROM SAN PATRICIO FROM THE EVANGELINE. THAT'S 52 MILLION. THEN YOU GOT THE LEE RANCH. FRIDAY PETER SAID 10 TO 20 MILLION GALLONS. FROM THERE, 10 TO 20 FROM THIS ONE WAS PREVIOUSLY SAID. Y'ALL HONED IN ON 15. YOU'RE LOOKING AT 72 TO 92 MILLION GALLONS A DAY FOR GROUNDWATER. Y'ALL USE ON AVERAGE 100 MILLION GALLONS A DAY. YOU ARE REPLACING SURFACE WATER WITH GROUNDWATER. Y'ALL NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENED IN HOUSTON AND GALVESTON WITH SUBSIDENCE. THEY WERE ON 100% GROUNDWATER. Y'ALL ARE TAKING THAT SAME PATH. WE KEEP BEING TOLD IT WAS TEMPORARY. IT WAS ON THE LEGISTAR LAST WEEK. THE PLAN FOR EVANGELINE WAS THAT ONCE THE LAKES HIT 50%, TEXANA WASN'T REDUCED IN PRODUCTION. THAT THE EVANGELINE PROJECT WOULD MAINTAIN 15% OF CCW'S USAGE. THAT COMES OUT TO 15 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY ON AVERAGE. SO 15 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY DOES NOT SOUND TEMPORARY. THIS IS TOO MUCH MONEY BEING SPENT TO BE TEMPORARY JUST TO WALK AWAY OR PUMP A MILLION GALLONS A MONTH. THIS IS 15 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY AT 15%. THE GOOD NEIGHBOR PROGRAM, I KEEP HEARING THE GOOD NEIGHBOR PROGRAM. I WANT TO SEE THAT IN WRITING. I WANT TO SEE WHAT IT CONSISTS OF. ALL WE GOT IS TALK. WHAT GUIDELINES, WHAT'S THE PROTOCOL? WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN FOR THE WELL OWNER TO GET ASSISTANCE? THERE'S NOTHING THERE. JUST LIKE SUBSIDENCE, YOU SAID I'M PUTTING IN SUBSIDENCE NOW. THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PUT IN BEFORE PUMPING, NOT AFTERWARDS. SAME THING WITH THE ERF LAND. DUMP TRUCKS GOING IN, THREE-PHASE POWER BEING PUT IN. THIS WAS PLANNED AND GOING ON. WE'RE HERE TODAY FOR THE RUBBER STAMP TO APPROVE IT BUT IT'S ALREADY BEEN THERE. ALL THIS -- THE HYDROLOGIST, Y'ALL DON'T HAVE A SECOND OPINION ON IT. BUT THIS IS THE LEGACY YOU'RE GOING TO LEAVE BEHIND. NOT AVOIDING CURTAILMENT. 10, 20, 50 YEARS FROM NOW THEY'RE NOT GOING TO REMEMBER YOU IF YOU AVOID CURTAILMENT, THEY'RE GOING TO REMEMBER THE DAMAGE TO THE AQUIFER. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. >> COUNCIL, MAYOR, STAFF. ALSO, I'M CHRIS CUELLAR FROM NUECES COUNTY. I'M NOT REPRESENTED BY ANYBODY ON THE BOARD BUT I'M STARTING TO LOOK HOPEFUL. NOT SURE OF THE MECHANISM THE COUNCIL IS TRYING TO PRESENT IN THIS AGREEMENT. THE AGREEMENT SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN MADE LONG AGO. THE ERF, THE UNSOLICITED DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN ONGOING FOR MANY MONTHS. THERE HAS BEEN AT LEAST THREE WELLS CONSTRUCTED BEGINNING AS EARLY AS APRIL OF '25. THE MOST RECENT IS BEING DRILLED CURRENTLY. NOT WAITING ON YOUR MONEY TO DO THAT. ADDITIONALLY, MILES OF ROAD CONSTRUCTION AND WELL PADS HAVE ALREADY BEEN CONSTRUCTED. THERE ARE ALREADY A THREE-PHASE POWER GRID THAT HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED, WHICH TAKES MONTHS IN PROCUREMENT, PLANNING, AND ENGINEERING. AND THAT WAS DONE AS EARLY AS NOVEMBER OF '25. MOST CONCERNING IS THE ERF HAS BEEN FLOWING THESE WELLS. ON THE ONCE-DRY CREEK. THE DISCHARGE FROM THE GROUNDWATER TO THE CREEK GOES TO THE NUECES RIVER TWO MILES UPSTREAM OF YOUR EASTERN WELLFIELD. SINCE NOVEMBER, THAT'S BEEN GOING ON. THERE'S ALSO A CURRENT OPEN TCEQ INVESTIGATION FOR THIS UNLAWFUL DISCHARGE SINCE NOVEMBER AND IT REMAINS OPEN TO THIS DAY. SO WHAT ARE YOU ACTUALLY VOTING ON TODAY THAT HASN'T ALREADY BEEN DETERMINED, RIGHT? BY THE WAY, FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE TOLD THAT RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURE AND LIVESTOCK WELLS WILL NOT BE AFFECTED BY THESE WELLS, MY RESIDENTIAL WELL, THE STATIC LEVEL SINCE JULY, SEVEN MONTHS, HAS DROPPED 15 FEET. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, SIR. >> RACHEL CABALLERO, D1. I FIND IT COMICAL NOW THAT WE ARE GOING TO CHOOSE TO HEAR THE RECOMMENDATION OF CITY MANAGER PETER ZANONI WHEN WE HAVE NOT FOLLOWED THE DIRECTION OF PETER ZANONI ON CERTAIN $2 MILLION HOTEL PROJECTS. BUT I GUESS THAT'S NEITHER HERE MOR THERE. WE PICK AND CHOOSE WHEN WE WANT TO HEAR RECOMMENDATIONS AT THIS POINT. AS FAR AS SIMPLE MATH, YOU KNOW, I DO BOOKKEEPING FOR A LIVING SO THERE'S NOTHING SIMPLE ABOUT THIS MATH. I FIND IT COMICAL THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE INTELLIGENT BEHIND THE DAIS ARE QUESTIONING THAT AND THE ONES THAT AREN'T ARE COMPLETELY AGREEABLE. OH YEAH. IT'S JUST SIMPLE MATH. SIMPLE MATH. FOR YOU, THE CITY MANAGER, THIS MAY BE SIMPLE MATH. FOR THIS COMMUNITY, THIS IS SOME OF OUR LIVELIHOODS HERE. AND WE CAN KEEP TURNING IT INTO THIS CIRCUS THAT IS OCCURRING EVERY WEEK WHEN THERE'S ONE OF THESE MEETINGS WITH LITTLE INFORMATION TO ANSWER. TRUTHS THAT ARE NOT TRUTHS. THEY'RE LIES. BUT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO COME HERE EVERY WEEK AS A COMMUNITY AND BELIEVE WHAT CITY STAFF IS TELLING US, WHAT THE CITY MANAGER IS TELLING US, AND WHAT SOME OF YOU ALL ARE TELLING US, WHICH WE KNOW WE CANNOT TRUST ANYMORE. THE SIMPLE MATH HERE IS THE DEBT THAT THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI IS ALREADY IN AND THE DEBT THAT THIS IS GOING TO PUT US IN FURTHER THAT WE CANNOT MAINTAIN. THAT WE CANNOT MAINTAIN. WE HAVE AN EMPLOYEE WHO'S MAKING HALF A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR WHO'S BEEN HERE FOR SEVEN YEARS AND NEVER HAS YET TO FIND A SOLUTION TO THIS PROBLEM THAT WILL WORK IN FAVOR OF THE COMMUNITY AND ALSO WON'T COST THE COMMUNITY OR TAKE AWAY OUR RIGHTS TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO LIVE IN OUR OWN TOWN. SO WE CAN KEEP HEMMING AND HAWING AND PLAYING GAMES WITH SIMPLE MATH AND $3.60 HERE. UNTIL YOU PUT IT IN WRITING, WE DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING THAT'S BEING DISCUSSED. PUT IT IN WRITING. GIVE THE COMMUNITY THE INFORMATION THAT IT'S REQUESTING SO THAT WE CAN SUPPORT SOME OF YOU THAT ARE MAKING THE RIGHT DECISIONS FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND WE KNOW WHICH ONE OF YOU TO OUST COME NOVEMBER. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? YES SIR. >> TREY CRANFORD, OUTSIDE THE CITY. GLAD WE'RE FINALLY HAVING THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE FUZZY MATH AND THE SMOKE AND MIRROR FACTS Y'ALL ARE GIVING. I APPRECIATE IT. I'M GOING TO GO OVER SOME THINGS THAT NICK BROUGHT UP TODAY. THE ARSENIC WAS BROUGHT UP. ARSENIC IS OBVIOUSLY A CONCERN FOR ALL OF US. WHENEVER NICK HAD HIS SAMPLES DONE, IT WAS ONE DAY, ONE TIME ON FEBRUARY 3 WHEN THE WCID SAMPLE WAS COLLECTED ON DECEMBER 11. OF COURSE THE VALUES ARE GOING TO BE DIFFERENT. WE NEED TO HAVE MORE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS THAT WE NEED TO MONITOR NOW THAT WE KNOW ARSENIC IS IN THE WATER SOURCE. BUT WE'RE NOT DOING THAT. IT'S KIND OF A SMOKE AND MIRRORS. YES WE DID THE TEST BUT IT WAS ONLY ONE DAY. HOW MANY LANDOWNERS ARE VOLUNTARILY PARTICIPATING IN THE GROUNDWATER STUDY? LAST TIME I HEARD IT WAS ONLY 17. THAT DOESN'T DO FOR A VERY GOOD STUDY. THERE'S TRILLIONS OF GALLONS OF WATER IN THE GULF COAST AQUIFER. THAT'S A TRUE STATEMENT BUT NOT NECESSARILY USABLE IN OUR AREA. PETER'S PROMISE ON OCTOBER 28 AT OUR TOWN HALL MEETING, PETER MADE THAT PROMISE AND HE ADMITS HE MADE THAT PROMISE. BUT WHEN WE WERE SITTING THERE -- CAROLYN YOU WERE THERE AND NICK WAS THERE. AND I ASKED NICK SPECIFICALLY WHAT KIND OF RELATIONSHIP DO YOU HAVE WITH THE ERF? WE ALREADY SAW THE INFRASTRUCTURE BEING BUILT. NICK SAID WE HAVE NO RELATIONSHIP WITH ED RACHAL FOUNDATION. THE WELL THAT'S BEEN DRILLED OUT THERE, THE PRODUCTION WELL IS GOING INTO THE RIVER DOWN THE CAYMAN CREEK, AS CHRIS STATED. WHAT THAT DOES IS IT INFLUENCES THE UPSTREAM BASELINE FROM THE EASTERN WELLFIELD NOW. SO THE NUMBERS THAT WERE GIVEN TO TCEQ, THEY ARE ARTIFICIALLY INFLUENCED BY THE ERF GOING THROUGH THE CAYMAN CREEK . THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE AND IT'S GOING TO BE SHOWN AS MANIPULATION OF THE BASELINE FOR TCEQ. NICK STATED THAT TDS WAS 1680 OUT AT THE ERF BUT WE TEST THAT WATER ALL THE TIME OFF THE CAYMAN CREEK. IT'S NEVER BEEN LESS THAN 2200 AND THIS WEEK IT WAS 2700 TDS. YOU MIGHT WANT TO CHECK ON INJECTION WELLS NOW. THEY'RE QUITE PRICEY. BASED ON THE 85% RECOVERY, I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT THE FRIO FORMATION WILL TAKE THAT TYPE OF DRINK. 3.6MILLION GALLONS A DAY OF WASTE AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD ABLE TO BE INJECTED. IT DOESN'T LIKE TAKING A LOT OF WATER. WE USE IT ALL THE TIME IN THAT WELLFIELD SO I'M PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH IT. NICK STATED THAT -- OR OFTEN STATES THE EASTERN WELLFIELD IS PRODUCING 10 TO 11 MILLION GALLONS A DAY. IF YOU GO ON SECURING WATER CORPUS CHRISTI, THE HIGHEST THAT HAS BEEN PRODUCED OUT OF THE EASTERN WELLFIELD THIS YEAR IS 5.6 MILLION GALLONS A DAY. WHEN YOU'RE DOING YOUR FUZZY MATH, IT DOESN'T ADD UP. WE ARE HAVING ANOTHER TOWN HALL MEETING ON THURSDAY. WE WILL HAVE A DIRECTOR FROM THE HARRIS-GALVESTON SUBSIDENCE DISTRICT THAT IS COMING TO SPEAK, ALONG WITH A FORMER HYDROGEOLOGIST FROM INTERA THAT DID THE WORK. THEY WILL BE PRESENTING. IT'S AT THE COMMUNITY HALL IN ROBSTOWN, 6:00 TO 8:00 P.M. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, SIR. >> ROBIN COX, DISTRICT 3. I DON'T HAVE ALL THE NUMBERS THAT THE REST OF Y'ALL HAVE BUT I DO KNOW SOME THINGS. Y'ALL WANT TO TALK ABOUT CONSERVING WATER AND WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL THESE OTHER SOURCES. I THINK THE FIRST THING Y'ALL CAN DO IS DRIVE AROUND TO SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS AT NIGHT. WE CAN START BY FINING SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE RUNNING THEIR SPRINKLERS ALL NIGHT LONG. I SEE SOME GREEN, BEAUTIFUL GRASS AS MY YARD LOOKS LIKE THE CRYPT TAKER AND I HAVE MY FIANCE DRAINING OUR BATHROOM WATER AND RUNNING IT OUT SO WE CAN SAVE A LITTLE BIT. REWARD THE PEOPLE THAT PLAY BY THE RULES. MAYBE GIVE US A BONUS. SOME OF THOSE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD ARE ROCKING THEIR YARDS IN. MR. ZANONI IS DRINKING $50 SHOTS INSTEAD OF DRINKING WATER AT RESTAURANTS. REWARD SOME OF US WHO ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING. I KNOW SOME OF THE RESTAURANTS HAVE STOPPED SERVING WATER. I REMEMBER I THINK WE HAD THIS IN THE '80s WE HAD THIS PROBLEM AND RESTAURANTS WERE NOT SERVING WATER AT RESTAURANTS. DOING THINGS. BUT START LOOKING AT THESE THINGS. I DROVE THROUGH COUNTRY CLUB THE OTHER NIGHT AND I COULDN'T BELIEVE ALL THE SPRINKLER SYSTEMS GOING OFF. I'M FROM A SMALL TOWN IN COMFORT, TEXAS AND WE LEARN QUICKLY TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. WHEN YOU START MESSING WITH PEOPLE'S LIVELIHOODS, WHICH ALSO COMES TO OURS FOR FOOD. IT'S SCARY. WHEN YOU'RE TELLING PEOPLE WE NEED THE WATER, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE IT FROM YOU. THINK OF HOW THESE PEOPLE FEEL. THIS IS THEIR LIVESTOCK AND THEIR LIVELIHOODS. I HAVE A RANCH IN ATASCOSA COUNTY THAT HAS A WATER WELL AND MY NEIGHBORS BEG ME, CAN YOU SEE IF THIS OIL COMPANY CAN GET SOME OF OUR WATER? WE ALL KNOW WE'RE ALL IN THE SAME SITUATION. THIS PROBLEM SHOULD HAVE BEEN HANDLED A LONG TIME AGO BUT WHERE WE ARE NOW, LET'S BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. OKAY? THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. >> SUSIE SALDANA, DISTRICT 2. I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE EXAMPLE. BECAUSE YOU'VE HEARD ALL THE FIGURES AND EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON. YOU'RE IN YOUR HOUSE AND IT'S BURNING DOWN. YOU CAN'T TURN THE WATER ON TO QUENCH THAT FIRE AND STOP IT BUT YOUR NEIGHBOR DOWN THE STREET SAYS COME HELP ME. I MAY GET THE FIRE OVER HERE. ARE YOU GOING TO GO TO THE NEIGHBOR WHO MAY GET THE FIRE OVER THERE OR PUT THE FIRE OUT IN YOUR HOUSE? LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING. YOU NEED TO REMEMBER WHY YOU'RE HERE AND WHY WE TAKE PEOPLE LIKE THESE PEOPLE HERE, THAT WE PAY VERY HIGHLY, TO BRING YOU THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED SO YOU CAN GET WATER TO CORPUS CHRISTI, TEXAS. AFTER YOU TAKE CARE OF THE WATER IN CORPUS CHRISTI, TEXAS, LET'S GO HELP ALL OUR NEIGHBORS. BUT FIRST GET THE WATER FOR US. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. I'M CLOSING PUBLIC COMMENT AND I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM NO. 25. OH, COUNCILWOMAN PAXSON, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? >> Paxson: THANK YOU, MAYOR. DO WE ACTUALLY -- I KNOW THAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT FOR MEETINGS AND MEETINGS AND MEETINGS. DO WE -- CAN WE PUT INTO WRITING SOME OF THOSE EFFORTS FOR THOSE GOOD NEIGHBOR PROGRAMS SO THAT WE CAN PUBLICLY STAND BEHIND IT, THAT KIND OF THING. I'LL ADMIT, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT SO FREQUENTLY, TO ME, IN MY MIND, IT'S A DONE DEAL. BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN THAT WAS VOICED ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS HERE. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT. IT'S JUST AN EARNEST ACT. >> Winkelmann: ABSOLUTELY, COUNCILWOMAN. I SHOWED THE SLIDE EARLIER TODAY THAT BASICALLY OUTLINES THE TENETS OF THAT PROGRAM. AND I CAN SHOW THE SLIDE AGAIN, IF YOU WANT. BUT IT'S PART OF THIS PRESENTATION. BUT WE CAN PUT TOGETHER A FORMAL DOCUMENT. ABSOLUTELY. >> Zanoni: EXCUSE ME. COUNCILWOMAN, SO THE WEBSITE THAT HAS INFORMATION. IT'S NOT EXACTLY FORMALIZED. BUT THERE'S DETAIL ON OUR WEBSITE THAT WE PUT UP BEGINNING LAST NOVEMBER. AND THEN RECALL THAT WHEN WE DRILL THESE WELLS, WE GO TO THE CITY'S GROUNDWATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT AND THE APPLICATIONS FOR THESE DRILLING PERMITS HAS THAT GOOD NEIGHBOR LANGUAGE IN THE APPLICATION. MILES IS REMINDING ME OVER HERE. >> Winkelmann: YES, SIR. THAT'S CORRECT. WE WILL BE PROVIDING A FOLLOW-UP DOCUMENT, AS REQUESTED BY THE DISTRICT, ON THAT AS WELL. >> Zanoni: THE AQUIFER STORAGE AND RECOVERY GROUNDWATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT. SO IN THE APPLICATION FOR THE DRILLING, IT SAYS -- IT HAS WRITTEN DETAIL OF THE GOOD NEIGHBOR PROGRAM. YEP. SO IT'S WRITTEN. WE'RE GOING TO IMPROVE IT AND MAKE IT MORE CLEAR TO INCLUDE ON OUR WEBSITE. >> Winkelmann: YES, SIR. >> Paxson: WILL THAT BE SUFFICIENT FOR US TO PUT FORWARD AS THIS IS 100% OUR INTENTIONS? I'M SURE YOU HAVE THE WHOLE SUPPORT OF THE COUNCIL. WE DON'T NEED TO PUT -- THAT CAN BE POSTED SOMEWHERE PUBLICLY. >> Zanoni: WE CAN BRING IT TO COUNCIL EVEN. GOOD IDEA. MAYBE WE'LL BRING A POLICY ITEM TO SAY THIS IS THE CITY'S POLICY. IT'S NOT NICK'S OR PETER'S. WE CAN DO THAT. >> Paxson: WE CAN PUT SOME EARNEST SUPPORT BEHIND US. IF IT WERE TO EVER NOT BE FOLLOWED OR CHANGED, IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK. SO WE WOULD HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS SOLID IN PLACE. >> Zanoni: THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. YEAH. WE CAN LOOK AT THAT THE NEXT COUPLE OF MEETINGS. >> Risley: ACTUALLY, COUNCILWOMAN, IT IS LEGALLY BINDING BECAUSE THE AQUIFER DISTRICT HAS -- FOR THOSE WELLS THAT WE HAVE, THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DRILLING PURSUANT TO THE AQUIFER DISTRICT RESTRICTIONS, THE CORPUS CHRISTI AQUIFER DISTRICT HAS ESTABLISHED THOSE CONDITIONS AS A -- HAS ESTABLISHED THOSE RESTRICTIONS AS A CONDITION OF DRILLING THOSE FUTURE WELLS. >> Paxson: IS IT -- WE HAD A TOWN HALL WHERE WE MET A LOT OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT POTENTIALLY WERE IN CONNECTION TO THE PROJECT OR WERE POTENTIAL IMPACT. AND THERE ARE CERTAINLY SEVERAL REPRESENTATIVES THAT COME REGULARLY HERE TO ADVOCATE FOR THOSE INTERESTS. I WOULD REALLY LOVE IF WE COULD CONNECT INDIVIDUALLY WITH SOME OF THOSE AND CONVEY THOSE EFFORTS. I KNOW THAT WE HAVE IT ON THE WEBSITE. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT HERE. BUT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CONNECT THEM. AND IF THERE IS SOMEWHERE, A QUESTION, IF THERE IS SOMEWHERE WHERE THERE'S A MISALIGNMENT, THAT COULD BE REPORTED AND WE COULD RESOLVE THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD. >> Zanoni: WE CAN DO THAT, COUNCILWOMAN. >> Paxson: I THINK THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL. COULD YOU SPEAK TO -- ADMITTEDLY I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT OUR DASHBOARD RECENTLY. COULD YOU CONFIRM ON THAT 5.6 MILLION GALLONS? >> Winkelmann: THANK YOU FOR ASKING THAT. I ABSOLUTELY CAN. SO PLEASE REMEMBER THAT THE EASTERN WELLFIELD IS OPERATING IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE TCEQ BED AND BANKS PERMIT PROTOCOL. THE OTHER THING TO REMEMBER IS THE NUECES RIVER DOES NOT FLOW PAST THE CALALLEN BARRIER DAM. AND WHEN WE'VE ENTERED THIS, IT'S NOT FLOWING OVER IT AND WE WORKED VERY HARD TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ENTITIES THAT TAKE WATER AHEAD OF THE CALALLEN BARRIER DAM. THEY ARE THE O.N. STEVENS WATER TREATMENT PLANT. THEY ARE THE SAN PATRICIO MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT. OF COURSE FURTHER UPSTREAM AT THE HAZEL BAYSMORE PARK. THERE'S ALSO FLINT HILLS AND CELANESE ALSO. WHAT HAPPENS IS THE PROCESS IS ALL OF THOSE ENTITIES SUBMIT A REQUEST TO OUR WATER RESOURCES MANAGEMENT TEAM AND EXPLAIN HOW MUCH WATER THEY ARE GOING TO TAKE FROM THE RIVER. WE HAVE TO MAKE AN OPERATIONAL DECISION ON HOW MUCH WATER TO RELEASE FROM THE DAM. WE MAKE AN OPERATIONAL DECISION ON HOW MUCH WATER TO PUMP FROM THE WELLS. ALL THAT BEING SAID, THE GOAL IS NOT TO WASTE ANY WATER. WE DON'T WANT ANY WATER GOING OVER THE CALALLEN BARRIER DAM. THINGS HAPPEN. THERE ARE PUMPS THAT OUR PARTNER AGENCIES, THEY GO DOWN AND THEY DON'T TAKE THE WATER THEY WANT. THE QUICKEST THING THAT WE CAN DO IS RAMP UP THE EASTERN WELLFIELD OR RAMP DOWN THE EASTERN WELLFIELD. LIKEWISE, IF THERE'S A POTENTIAL POWER HICCUP ALONG THE MARY RHODES PIPELINE, THE QUICKEST THING WE CAN DO IS TURN ON THOSE WELLS. THOSE ARE THE QUICKEST TO THE INTAKE TO ALL OF THOSE TAKERS. SO THE WHOLE EASTERN WELLFIELD, IT'S NOT -- AND I SAID THIS EARLIER. IT'S NOT YOU FLIP THE SWITCH AND YOU LET IT RUN. THE OPERATIONAL DECISIONS ARE MADE MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY. WATER QUALITY ALONG THE RIVER IS MEASURED CONTINUOUSLY. THAT INFORMATION IS USED AND EVALUATED. AND IT'S ALSO -- YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHAT THE OTHER USERS ARE USING. YOU HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT AS WELL. >> Paxson: I APPRECIATE THAT, NICK. I'M SORRY I'M LOOKING FOR THAT PAGE WHERE YOU HAD IT LISTED HERE. TAKING THOSE MEASURES THAT WE'VE ARTICULATED THAT VERY CLEARLY SPECIFIES THE PRIORITY ORDER WHERE WE WILL BE TAKING OUR WATER, BASED ON AVAILABILITY. I THINK IF WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE TYPES OF MEASURES, NOT NECESSARILY -- CERTAINLY NOT AT THIS MEETING BUT HAVING THOSE PLACED IN A DOCUMENT SIMILAR TO OUR DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN, OUR WATER SUPPLY PLANNING. TO CLEARLY ARTICULATE OUR PREFERENCE WITH SOME PARAMETERS ON WHEN AND WHERE WE DRAW FROM TO SUPPLY OUR WATER NEEDS. I DO WANT TO SAY WE HAVE PUT AN INVESTMENT TOWARDS THE HARBOR ISLAND DESAL. THERE ARE PROJECTS COMING DOWN THE LINE. OUR TEAM HAS ACTIVELY BEEN LOOKING AT PARTNERSHIPS AND THE FUTURE OF THE BARNEY DAVIS APPELLANT. I WANT THE COMMUNITY TO HEAR WE ARE PROACTIVELY SEEKING A FUTURE WHERE WE CAN ASSIMILATE INTO PROJECTS LIKE MARINE DESAL SO WE CAN TAPER OFF THIS USE. THAT IS 100% STILL THE ACTION PLAN. JUST TO ASSURE THEM WE HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN THAT. THAT'S A PRIORITY. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN CANTU. >> Cantu: ONE SECOND. I PROMISE. ROLAND DIDN'T TALK ALL DAY SO I'M TAKING HIS TIME. ARE YOU OKAY, ROLAND. WATER OR RESTAURANTS, WHEN THEY GIVE YOU A GLASS OF WATER. IS THERE A POLICY WE CAN TELL THEM NOT TO DO THAT UNLESS THE CUSTOMER ASKS FOR A GLASS OF WATER? I MEAN, EVERY RESTAURANT I GO TO THEY AUTOMATICALLY GIVE YOU A GLASS OF WATER. BUT JUST A THOUGHT. >> Winkelmann: YES. IT IS IN OUR WATER CONSERVATION PLAN, WHICH IS BEING UPDATED. BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY REMIND BEST PRACTICES TO THE RESTAURANT ASSOCIATION. >> Cantu: YES. >> Winkelmann: I THINK THAT'S MORE WHAT YOU'RE LEANING TOWARDS. >> Cantu: THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: AGAIN, I'M GOING TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> Barrera: I MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Guajardo: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR VOTE. CAN EVERYONE VOTE? I WANT TO KNOW WHO'S HOLDING IT UP. IT'S 2:51 P.M.. >> [OFF MIC] >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. THE MOTION CARRIES 7, ONE ABSTAINED AND ONE NO. THE MOTION CARRIES. SO THE COUNCIL IS GOING TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION ON ITEMS 29 THROUGH 31 PER TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTIONS 551.071 AND 551.072. WE WILL RETURN SHORTLY. [EXECUTIVE SESSION] >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND RECONVENE OUR MEETING, AND WE -- LET'S SEE ITEM NUMBER 26, I BELIEVE, WE'RE GOING TO PULL. IS THAT RIGHT, PETER. >> Zanoni: YES, THAT'S CORRECT, WE'RE GOING TO PULL SO WE CAN WORK WITH THE GROUNDWATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT IN SAN PATRICIO COUNTY. >> Mayor Guajardo: GREAT. WE'LL GO ON TO SECTION M, ITEM 27 IS A BRIEFING ON EVANGELINE GROUNDWATER PROJECT. >> Winkelmann: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. NICK WINKELMANN, INTERIM CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER, CORPUS CHRISTI WATER. SO WE'VE GOT TWO BRIEFINGS FOR YOU TODAY. THE FIRST ONE IS FOCUSED SOLELY ON THE EVANGELINE GROUNDWATER PROJECT. AND THEN WE WILL FOLLOW THAT UP WITH THE -- I'LL CALL IT THE TRADITIONAL WATER SUPPLY UPDATE. SO JUST QUICK OVERVIEW TO GET US ALL ON THE SAME PAGE AGAIN, THE EVANGELINE PROJECT IS LOCATED NORTH OF SINTON TEXAS IT'S LOCATED IN THE SAN PATRICIO GROUNDWATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT. THE PROJECT IS FOR THE GROUNDWATER RIGHTS ASSOCIATED WITH 22,789 ACRES OF LAND, AND THAT IS APPROXIMATELY PER THE GROUNDWATER DISTRICT'S RULES 24 MILLION-GALLONS A DAY. THERE'S BEEN TREMENDOUS AMOUNTS OF WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE, AND I WOULD LIKE TO JUST REVIEW SOME OF THE KEY DATES SO FAR. SO LET'S -- GOING BACK TO 2019, THE SAN PATRICIO COUNTY GROUNDWATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT APPROVED A PRODUCTION PERMIT FOR 24 MILLION-GALLONS A DAY. THAT PERMIT WAS RENEWED ON JANUARY 21ST, 2025. SO APPROXIMATELY A YEAR AGO. ON AUGUST 12TH, COUNCIL DIRECTED CITY STAFF TO PREPARE A PURCHASE AGREEMENT FOR THE WATER RIGHTS. ON SEPTEMBER 23RD, 2025, COUNCIL APPROVES THE NEGOTIATED TERM SHEET. AT THAT POINT, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE FINAL CONTRACT. ON SEPTEMBER 23RD, 2025, ADDITIONALLY COUNCIL APPROVES A MASTER SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH PAPE-DAWSON ENGINEERS TO START WORKING ON DESIGN. ON OCTOBER 21ST, 2025, COUNCIL APPROVES THE GROUNDWATER RIGHTS PURCHASE OF $169,491,007 ALONG WITH THAT, COUNCIL APPROVED THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF SINTON AND THE ST. PAUL WATER SUPPLY CORPORATION. NOVEMBER 24TH, CITY STAFF AND CCW HELD A SAN PATRICIO COUNTY PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION, IN ATTENDANCE WERE LEADERSHIP FROM THE CITY OF SINTON, ST. PAUL WATER SUPPLY CORPORATION AND THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS INCLUDING JUDGE CREBBS. ON DECEMBER 11TH, 2025, THE SELLER, EVANGELINE LAGUNA, SUBMITTED APPLICATIONS FOR THE DRILLING AND TRANSPORT PERMITS. THAT WAS DONE ELECTRONICALLY, AND THEN ON DECEMBER 12TH, THOSE PERMITS WERE &D IN IN PERSON. JANUARY 16TH, THE SAN PATRICIO GROUNDWATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT DECLARED THAT THOSE PERMITS WERE ADMINISTRATIVELY COMPLETE. FEBRUARY 6, WHICH WAS JUST LAST WEEK, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THE DISTRICT APPROVED THE PROCESS TO SECURE AN ADMINISTRATIVE LAW JUDGE TO CONDUCT A PRELIMINARY HEARING. THE PRELIMINARY HEARING IS MEANT TO DETERMINE WHICH OF THE FOUR PROTESTANTS HAVE STANDING OR A BASIS TO PROTEST. ONE THING THAT I DO WANT TO ADD, AND, YOU KNOW, WE PREPARE THESE PRESENTATIONS, BUT A LOT OF INFORMATION COMES UP RATHER QUICKLY, WE JUST HEARD THIS MORNING THAT THE TENTATIVE DATE FOR THE PRELIMINARY HEARING IS MARCH 2ND, WHICH IS GREAT NEWS. THE -- APPARENTLY THE ADMINISTRATIVE LAW JUDGE HAS BEEN CONFIRMED AND THERE'S A TENTATIVE DATE FOR MARCH 2ND. AGAIN, THAT PROCESS, IT'S NOT A CONTESTED CASE HEARING. IT'S FOR THAT LAW JUDGE TO DETERMINE WHICH OF THE FOUR PROTESTANTS HAVE STANDING. >> Zanoni: WHICH -- IF ANY. IF ANY. >> Winkelmann: IF ANY, YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT. THANK YOU. YEAH, ONE OF THE OUTCOMES COULD BE THAT ALL FOUR DON'T HAVE STANDING OR TWO DO AND TWO DON'T, OR ANY NUMBER OF COMBINATIONS. THE OTHER THING THAT I DO WANT TO BRING UP IS ALL OF THE DRILLING PERMITS WERE SEPARATE, SO THEY ALL HAD SEPARATE APPLICATIONS. IT IS POSSIBLE THE ADMINISTRATIVE LAW JUDGE DETERMINES THAT X NUMBER OF PROTESTANTS HAVE STANDING ON X NUMBER OF WELLS. SO HE MAY SAY TWO PROTESTANTS HAVE STANDING ON 10 WELLS, BUT THERE'S NO STANDING ON 12 WELLS, SO THAT'S A POTENTIAL OUTCOME ALSO. SIGNIFICANT WORK CONTINUES ON THIS PROJECT BETWEEN PAPE-DAWSON, GARNEY AND THE CITY. WE ARE ANTICIPATING BRINGING CONTRACT AMENDMENTS FOR CONSTRUCTION SERVICES AND EQUIPMENT PURCHASES TO COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION IN FEBRUARY, WHICH -- AND IT MIGHT BE AS EARLY AS FEBRUARY 17TH, OR POSSIBLY THE 24TH. THE FULL 60% DESIGN IS EXPECTED TO BE COMPLETED BY MID MARCH OF 2026. AND I GAVE YOU THE KEY DATE OF MARCH 2ND AS THE TENTATIVE DATE FOR THE PRELIMINARY HEARING. SO WHAT'S OUR NEXT STEPS? THE SELLER AND THE CITY WILL CONTINUE TO WORK TOGETHER TO PREPARE FOR THE PRELIMINARY HEARING. WE WILL GIVE YOU IN EARNEST, IN OUR EFFORTS TO SIT DOWN AND TALK FURTHER WITH THE CITY OF SINTON AND THE ST. PAUL WATER SUPPLY CORPORATION. WE WANT TO UNDERSTAND THEIR FEEDBACK ON OUR INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT THAT WAS PRESENTED. TO DATE, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY FEEDBACK -- OFFICIAL FEEDBACK ON THAT. PAPE-DAWSON AND GARNEY AND CITY STAFF WILL CONTINUE THE DESIGN AND PREPARE FOR PROCUREMENT WORK PACKAGES. AND ADDITIONALLY, OTHER STEPS THAT ARE GOING ON -- SO AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, WE WILL NEED TCEQ PERMITS, SO WE DID HAVE A MEETING, PRELIMINARY PERMIT HEARING WITH TCEQ ON FEBRUARY 4TH, THAT WAS TO ADVISE THEM OF THE PROJECT, SHARE THE DETAILS, AND EXPLAIN TO THEM THE REQUESTS THAT WILL BE MADE. BASED ON THE PROGRESS TO DATE, THIS IS THE DELIVERY SCHEDULE FOR THE EVANGELINE WELLFIELD. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THIS IS PRELIMINARY, AS THE CITY MANAGER STATED EARLIER, WE'RE LOOKING AT 4 MGD IN NOVEMBER. THAT IS PROVIDED THERE ARE NOT ANY FURTHER DELAYS WITH THE PERMITS; HOWEVER, WE MET WITH PAPE-DAWSON AND GARNEY THIS MORNING. WE ARE WORKING ON OTHER PATHS TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN GET THE WATER DELIVERED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. IMPORTANT THING TO NOTE HERE IS THAT WATER WILL BE DELIVERED AS IT BECOMES AVAILABLE. THESE NUMBERS SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED FIRM, AS THE PROJECT PROCEEDS AND MOVES AHEAD OF SCHEDULE AND THE -- THE DRILLING PROGRESS CONTINUES, THE DATES AND THE DELIVERY DATES WILL HAVE TO CONTINUE TO BE UPDATED. >> Zanoni: CAN YOU GO BACK, NICK, ESPECIALLY CHRIS 6 BEING HERE, IT'S 4 MILLION-GALLONS IN NOVEMBER. THEN ANOTHER MILLION IN DECEMBER. ANOTHER 2 MILLION IN JANUARY, ANOTHER MILLION IN FEBRUARY. ANOTHER MILLION IN MARCH, 2 MILLION IN APRIL, 1 MILLION IN MAY. SO BY THE TIME WE GET TO MAY, ALL 12 MILLION WILL BE DELIVERED. SO THE 4 -- THIS PROJECT IS MORE THAN 4. IT'S JUST THAT 4 BEGINS IN NOVEMBER, AND THEN EACH MONTH IS EITHER 1 MILLION OR 2 MILLION MORE GALLONS TO EVENTUALLY BRING ON 12 MILLION. THIS IS BASED ON THE RERALTY OF PURCHASING EQUIPMENT AND ELECTRICAL COMPONENTS AND PUMPS AND THAT TYPE OF THING. THE GOAL WAS TO TRY TO BRING ALL 12 IN IN NOVEMBER, BUT NOW THE ENGINEERS ARE DOING THE DESIGN WORK AND PRICING AND TRYING TO GET EQUIPMENT, AND THIS IS THE REALITY. THIS IS THE PLAN. SO ALL ALONG THE GOAL WAS 12. WE'RE GOING TO GET 12, IT WILL BE BY MAY WITH INCREMENTAL ADDS EACH MONTH FROM NOVEMBER TO MAY. JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR, BECAUSE I THINK THERE WAS SOME MISINFORMATION THAT IT WAS ONLY GOING TO BE 4 MILLION. NO, IT'S GOING TO BE 12 MILLION OVER SIX MONTHS OR SO. >> Winkelmann: RIGHT. AND THE TOTAL PROJECT IS STILL 24 MILLION-GALLONS A DAY. >> Zanoni: RIGHT. >> Winkelmann: WITH THAT, I'LL STAND BY FOR ANY QUESTIONS ON EVANGELINE. COUNCILMA N SCOTT IN. >> Scott: WHAT HAPPENED -- SO THE DATE FOR THE HEARING'S THE THIRD OF MARCH. >> Winkelmann: MARCH 2ND. >> Scott: SECOND. SORRY, 3/2, NOT 3/3. 3/2. SO WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMEBODY IS DECLARED TO HAVE STANDING? WHAT HAPPENS NEXT AND WHAT'S THE GENERAL TIMELINE FOR NEXT. >> Winkelmann: YEAH, I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING IS WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THOSE ENTITIES TO IDEALLY COME TO AN AGREEMENT SPECIFICALLY WITH THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS. IF AGREEMENTS AREN'T ACHIEVED, THEN IT COULD POTENTIALLY GO TO WHAT'S CALLED A CONTESTED CASE HEARING, WHICH ADDS TIME. >> Scott: SO -- >> Zanoni: IT COULD ADD SIGNIFICANT TIME, JUST TO BE UP FRONT HERE. SO IF IT GOES INTO A CONTESTED CASE HEARING, IT'S A FULL BLOWN KIND OF LIKE A TRIAL OF SORTS. AND THERE'S JUDGES, THERE'S EXPERT WITNESSES, THERE'S THE APPLICANT, THERE'S THE PROTESTANTS, SO IT COULD TAKE. >> Scott: YEAH. BUT NOBODY HAS STANDINGS -- WHAT'S THE TERM? >> Zanoni: CORRECT. >> Mayor Guajardo: STANDING. >> Scott: BUT IF NOBODY HAS STANDING, THEN OFF WE GO. IF SOMEBODY DECLARES -- IF THAT JUDGE THAT SOMEONE HAS STANDING, THEN IT GOES INTO A CONTESTED CASE HEARING PROCESS, THE SCHEDULE OF WHICH WOULD BE DECIDED THERE OR LATER? I'VE NEVER BEEN IN THE CONTESTED CASE HEARING, SO I'M -- >> Zanoni: I THINK THE IT'S INCREMENTAL. THERE'S NO DEFINITIVE TIMELINE. THE ATTORNEY THAT REPRESENTS THE GROUNDWATER DISTRICT, MR. GREG ELLIS, SAID THE LAST TIME HE WENT INTO ONE OF THESE IT TOOK TWO YEARS TO COME OUT OF ONE. >> Scott: AND MY SENSE IS -- >> Zanoni: HE'S SAID THAT MANY TIMES. >> Scott: I THINK IT'S GREAT WE'RE TALKING TO THEM. AND SO THE HOPE IS THAT WE REACH SOME SORT OF AGREEMENT. AND I GUESS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION AT SOME POINT ABOUT WHAT THAT MIGHT MEAN? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW -- YOU'RE GOING TO GO INTO CONVERSATION, THEY'RE GOING TO GO HEY, WE'LL BACK OFF IF YOU DO X. AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO COME TO US AND SAY, HEY, HOW DO Y'ALL THINK ABOUT X, AS OPPOSED TO US TELLING YOU WHAT WE'RE GOOD WITH BEFORE? I THINK THAT'S INTERESTING. I WOULD THINK THAT WE'D WANT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION PROBABLY IN CLOSED SESSION, ABOUT WHAT WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH AND WHAT ARE OUR LAGUNA, LP, PARTNERS ARE COMFORTABLE WITH. MY SENSE IS THAT IF I'M THE CONTESTANTS -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL THEM PROTESTANTS, THEN THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WANT TO TALK UNTIL THEY GET STANDING, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT, THEY FILED A PIECE OF PAPER, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING UNLESS THE JUDGE SAYS IT DOES, AND IF THE JUDGE SAYS IT DOES, THEN THEY GET TO HOLD ALL THE CARDS. SO MY SENSE IS THAT IT WILL BE DIFFICULT. I DON'T -- I HAVEN'T TALKED TO ANYBODY, I DON'T -- YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T TALKED TO ANYBODY OVER THERE, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY'RE SAYING, I'M JUST GOING BASICALLY WHAT MEDIA PANDEMIC WHAT YOU TELL US. I'M JUST THINKING IF I'M THEM, I WOULD BE WORKING REALLY HARD TO GET STANDING, AND THEN GO, OKAY, WHAT'S TWO YEARS MEAN TO YOU? AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED WHAT THE TIMING WAS. WHAT I THINK YOU'RE TELLING ME, LET'S KEEP SPENDING MONEY, LET'S GO AS FAST AS WE CAN, BUT MY QUESTION IS, AT WHAT POINT IN TIME DO WE GO, OKAY, LOOK, IF THIS IS A -- IF THIS IS A FIVE-YEAR PROCESS -- I'M MAKING THAT UP. IF IT'S A THREE-YEAR PROCESS, TWO YEARS IN CONTESTED CASE, DO WE HAVE TO PAY DOUBLE TIME, YOU KNOW, SUCH THAT IT COMES ONLINE IN THREE YEARS. I GET THAT WE'RE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY NOW -- I LIKE THAT TIMELINE IF WE CAN GET ALL 12 MGD BY MAY OF '27, THEN I DON'T -- I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY WATER LEVEL EMERGENCY ONE, RIGHT? I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO COMMUNICATE TO THE PUBLIC, IF WE CAN BE SUCCESSFUL WITH THIS EVANGELINE AND GET 12 BY MAY OF '27, THEN WE REALLY HAVE A CHANCE FOR THE RAINS TO COME. BUT ALSO WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME IS IF THERE'S STANDING -- TB THEY GET STANDING ON -- IF THEY GET STANDING ON THE SECOND, THEN THAT'S WHEN IT'S A GAME-CHANGER FOR US, UNLESS WE REACH AN AGREEMENT. AND DOES THE JUDGE RULE THEN AND THERE? >> YEAH. >> Scott: OKAY. >> Zanoni: THEY SAID GENERALLY IT'S THEN AND THERE. IT COULD BE A DAY OR TWO AFTER THEN AND THERE. >> Winkelmann: THEY DID SAY IN SOME CASES IT COULD BE A DAY OR TWO LATER. >> Zanoni: GENERALLY THE PREVAILING RESULTS ARE THEN AND THERE. >> Scott: BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF A -- AS WE TALKED TO THESE, SIMPLE MATH, RIGHT? I MEAN, LIKE NUECES COUNTY NUMBER 3 THOUGHT -- WE THOUGHT THEY WOULD HAVE STAND TI ING IF THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH THE BED AND BANKS PERMIT, BECAUSE THEY DRAW FROM THE SAME RIVER. >> Zanoni: YEAH, THAT'S WHY. >> Scott: OKAY. SO ANYBODY THAT'S DRILLING WELLS NEXT TO OUR WELLS -- >> Zanoni: THE ATTORNEY FOR THE SELLER IS SAYING THAT IT'S -- YOU REALLY HAVE TO PROVE THAT OUR WELLS ON EVANGELINE ARE SO CLOSE TO THEIR WELLS THAT IT'S GOING TO IMPACT THE WELL, NOT NECESSARILY THE PRODUCTION. A LITTLE BIT HARD TO EXPLAIN. >> Scott: AH, OKAY. >> Zanoni: HOWEVER, THERE ARE RULES IN THE GROUNDWATER DISTRICT THAT SAYS THE WELL HAS TO BE SO MANY FEET FROM -- AN EVANGELINE WELL HAS TO BE SO MANY FEET FROM AN EXISTING WELL. THE NEAREST WELL IS THREE TIMES -- OR IS IT SIX TIMES. >> Winkelmann: IT'S THREE TIMES. >> Zanoni: THREE TIMES THE DISTANCE, THE NEAREST, AND, OF COURSE, THE OTHERS ARE MUCH FURTHER. SO THE JUDGE IS REALLY -- BECAUSE THE PRODUCTION PERMIT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED, THAT IT'S TOUGH TO PROVE THAT YOU HAVE STANDING ON WELL PLACEMENT. >> Scott: OKAY. THANK YOU. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. >> Zanoni: AND TRANSFER PERMIT IS ANOTHER MATTER. >> Scott: I JUST ASSUMED IF YOU'RE MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR, YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE STANDING. IF I'M TRYING TO DO SOMETHING. >> Zanoni: NOT NECESSARILY. >> Scott: BUT IF YOU'RE TELLING ME IT'S BASED ON THE WELL DISTANCE IN PROOF THAT ONE WELL AFFECTS THE OTHER. >> Zanoni: RIGHT. THEY HAVE TO PROVE THAT IT'S GOING TO IMPACT THEIR WELL. >> Winkelmann: AND THE KEY IS THE DISTRICT HAS APPROVED THE PRODUCTION. >> Scott: RIGHT, RIGHT. >> Winkelmann: TWICE. THEY APPROVED IT ONCE AND THEN THEY RENEWED THE PERMIT. >> Scott: I GOT WHAT I NEEDED. THANK YOU. MAYBE I'M JUST HEARING IT FOR THE FIRST TIME, BUT THAT'S GOOD INFORMATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. >> Winkelmann: UH-HUH. COUNCILWO MAN VAUGHN. >> Vaughn: MINE ARE REAL QUICK. DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE JUDGE, WHERE HE'S FROM, WHAT COUNTY, WHAT AREA, DO WE KNOW? >> Winkelmann: YOU KNOW. WE DO HAVE -- THERE WERE SOME NAMES GIVEN OUT, AND PETER, I THINK THEY MAY HAVE GIVEN HIS -- I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE HE'S FROM, BUT -- >> Zanoni: NO, BUT THERE WERE TWO JUDGES THAT ARE RETIRED JUDGES. >> Vaughn: OKAY. WELL, THAT'S MY CONCERN. YOU WANT IT TO BE FAIR FOR BOTH SIDES. >> Zanoni: BOTH SIDES WERE IN AGREEMENT ON TWO JUDGES THAT WERE VERY IMPARTIAL AND FAIR. >> Vaughn: OKAY. >> Zanoni: SO THIS PERSON WAS AVAILABLE. IT'S A RETIRED JUDGE, SO WE'RE NOT GOING THROUGH THE STATE'S POOL OF JUDGES WHICH IS THROUGH THE OFFICE OF ADMINISTRATIVE, IS THAT WHAT YOU CALL IT, THE STATE OFFICE OF ADMINISTRATIVE HEARINGS, THAT'S AN OFFICE UP IN AUSTIN THAT HAS JUDGES THAT MEDIATES THESE TYPES OF CASES. THAT'S ONE WAY YOU COULD GO BUT THAT WOULD ADD MONTHS TO THE SCHEDULE. BOTH SIDES SAID LET'S GET A RETIRED JUDGE. THEY HAD TWO NAMES, ONE OF THE JUDGES IS TENTATIVELY AGREEING TO DO IT ON THE SECOND. >> Vaughn: THAT'S GOOD. THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION WITH EVANGELINE, HAVE WE GOT EVERYTHING IN ORDER WITH THEM FOR WHEN YOU GET READY TO CLOSE, IT'S DONE? >> Zanoni: RIGHT. SO RECALL, AND NICK SHOWED IT ON THE TIMELINE THE $169 MILLION GROUNDWATER PURCHASE, A LEGAL DOCUMENT, IT'S ALMOST SIGNED. THE GOAL WAS TO HAVE IT SIGNED BY TODAY. BRUCE HILL TOLD ME IT'S ALMOST THERE, HE'S JUST WAITING FOR ONE MORE FAMILY. I WOULD SAY IT'S 99.99% ALMOST DONE. >> Vaughn: OKAY. >> Zanoni: AND THE SURFACE USE AGREEMENTS ARE ALSO THE SAME CONDITION, THEY'RE PROBABLY MOST OF THEM ARE EXECUTED, AND SO THAT'S AN IMPORTANT STEP. AND SO WE'RE JUST ABOUT THERE. EVERYBODY'S IN AGREEMENT, IT'S NOW JUST TRACKING DOWN ONE FAMILY FOR A SIGNATURE. >> Vaughn: WHAT'S HOLDING US UP ARE THE PERMITS. >> Zanoni: CORRECT. >> Vaughn: OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILMA N ROY? >> Roy: THIS IS KIND OF AN OFF QUESTION. LET'S JUST SAY -- I MEAN, WE DID START TODAY WITH THE PRAYERS FROM DIFFERENT CHURCHES FOR RAINS. 16 INCHES OVER THE WATERSHED I THINK IS WHAT I'VE SEEN BEFORE OVER TWO OR THREE DAYS, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. BUT RIGHT NOW WHAT IS 16 INCHES DO FOR US IF WE HAD THAT -- IF WE HAD RAIN? >> Winkelmann: SURE. SO THE WAY I WOULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION IS ANY RAINFALL IN THE WATERSHED IS A BENEFIT. ONE THING THAT I KNOW FROM OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WERE AT ABOUT 18% COMBINED CAPACITY, AT THAT POINT IN TIME, THE COMMENT WAS, WE NEEDED 20 INCHES OVER THE WATERSHED TO GET US UP OVER 30% COMBINED CAPACITY. AND YOUR QUESTION IS VERY RELEVANT, AND WE HAVE THE SAME ONE. AND I HAVE -- WE'VE ASKED CAROLLO, OUR MODELERS, TO PROVIDE US WITH THAT INFORMATION. IN MY OPINION, IT'S GOING TO TAKE MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE EVENTS FOR US TO GET TO A RECOGNIZABLE LEVEL. >> Roy: THE REASON WHY IMOO ASKING THAT, I MEAN, HYPOTHETICALLY, LET'S JUST SAY YOU DID HAVE THAT RAIN AND IT WAS OVER A COUPLE DAYS' PERIOD, BUT THEN YOU GO ANOTHER SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS WITHOUT ANY ADDITIONAL RAIN, SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE EVAPORATION AND THAT. >> Winkelmann: YEAH. >> Roy: AND YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE A GOOD MOTIONER OF THAT. I MEAN, -- A GOOD MOTIONER OF THAT. I MEAN, TECH IN THIS CASE -- A GOOD PORTION OF THAT. I'M HOPING AT SOME POINT THAT THE LAKES WILL GET BACK UP TO A REASONABLE LEVEL, BUT THIS IS -- THIS COULD TAKE THREE OR FOUR, FIVE PLUS YEARS TO GET BACK TO WHAT WE KNOW OF. I MEAN -- >> Winkelmann: I'D AGREE WITH THAT. YEAH. >> Zanoni: WE'LL BE GETTING THAT AMOUNT OF RAIN NECESSARY, RIGHT. >> Roy: SO YOU ARE LOOKING AT THAT. >> Winkelmann: WE'VE ASKED OUR MODELERS TO PROVIDE THAT. IT'S ALL ABOUT INFLOW, WE TALK ABOUT STREAM INFLOW INTO THOSE RESERVOIRS. >> Roy: SO IT'S GOING TO TAKE -- LOCATION'S IMPORTANT, OF COURSE, LOCATION OVER THE WATERSHED. AND THEN WHAT -- IT ALL JUST DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH THEY RELEASE ESPECIALLY AND -- YEAH. SO THAT'S A MOVING TARGET? >> Winkelmann: IT IS, YEAH. >> Roy: I JUST WONDERED. >> Winkelmann: WE'LL WORK ON -- LIKE I SAID, WE'VE REQUESTED THE INFORMATION. WE'LL GET IT TO YOU WHEN WE HAVE IT. >> Roy: YEAH. OKAY. THANKS. COUNCILMA N HERNANDEZ? >> Hernandez: YEAH, NICK, CAN YOU VERIFY HOW MUCH ADDITIONAL WATER THE Y RANCH WOULD PROVIDE? >> Winkelmann: OH, ABSOLUTELY. THE LYE RANCH, WE WERE ESTIMATING IT WAS 5 OR 6 MGD. I DON'T RECALL THE -- >> Hernandez: AND ALSO THE CITY MANAGER SAID WE WERE GOING TO PAY $7 PER GALLON FROM EVANGELINE. CAN YOU CORRECT THAT, PLEASE? >> Winkelmann: WELL, I THINK IT WAS PER GALLON PER DAY. >> Hernandez: OKAY. BUT IT'S NOT -- IT'S NOT SEVEN -- WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE PAYING $7 PER GALLON. WE MIGHT AS WELL POUR A BUNCH OF DASANI B BOTTLES OF WATER INTO THE RIVER IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT. I THINK HE MEANT IT WAS $7 PER THOUSAND WHICH IS ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT LESS, IT'S LIKE SIX-SOMETHING. IT'S NOT 7. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE RECORD IS CLEAR, WE'RE NOT PAYING $7 PER GALLON FOR EVANGELINE WATER. THANK YOU. COUNCILMA N CANTU? >> Cantu: THANK YOU, MAYOR. MARCH 2ND. >> Winkelmann: YES, SIR. >> Cantu: THE MEETING FOR MARCH 2ND, THAT'S JUST ONE MEETING, LIKE ONE DEAL, HOW DOES THAT WORK? >> Winkelmann: IT'S ONE PRELIMINARY HEARING. IT WILL ALL HAPPEN ON ONE DAY. >> Cantu: SO WE'LL GET OUR ANSWER ON THAT MARCH 2ND. >> Winkelmann: SO WHAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD FROM THE ATTORNEYS IS MORE THAN LIKELY WE'D HAVE INFORMATION THAT DAY, BUT SOMETIMES IT TAKES A JUDGE A COUPLE OF DAYS TO PROCESS EVERYTHING AND PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER. SO I CAN'T CONFIRM ANYTHING RIGHT NOW. >> Cantu: SO LIKE THEY'LL LET US KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO, LIKE -- I DON'T UNDERSTAND MARCH 2ND. >> Zanoni: YEAH, SO MARCH 2ND IS LIKE A MINI TRIAL OF SORTS, SO THERE WILL BE A JUDGE. THEY CALL IT AN ADMINISTRATIVE LAW JUDGE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT IN A COURTROOM. SO THERE WILL BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE LAW JUDGE, A RETIRED JUDGE, YOU WILL HAVE THE PROTESTANSS AND THEY'RE ALL TOGETHER. >> Cantu: RIGHT NOW IT'S THE CITY OF SINTON AND WHO ELSE. >> Zanoni: ST. PAUL CORPORATION, A FARMER UP IN SAN PAT COUNTY AND A RESIDENT IN CORPUS CHRISTI. >> Cantu: THE SECOND ONE -- >> Zanoni: THE ST. PAUL WATER CORPORATION. >> Cantu: WHO DO THEY PROVIDE WATER TO. >> Zanoni: IT'S A SMALL LITTLE COMMUNITY NORTH OF SINTON CALLED ST. PAUL. ABOUT 100 ACCOUNTS IS WHAT THEY TOLD US. >> Cantu: SO ALL TOGETHER WE PROVIDE 39 MGD TO SAN PAT. >> Zanoni: 40 MILLION. >> Winkelmann: 40. >> Cantu: AND THEN THE REFINERIES, THEY'RE IN SAN PAT COUNTY WHO WE PROVIDE WATER TO, THOSE REFINERIES PAY TAXES TO SAN PAT COUNTY, CORRECT? >> Winkelmann: YEAH. AND JUST -- AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, SO WE SELL WATER TO SAN PATRICIO MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT WHO THEN SELLS IT TO THOSE ENTITIES, AND, YES, THEY PAY TAXES IN SAN PATRICIO COUNTY. >> Cantu: GOT IT. >> Winkelmann: YES, SIR. >> Cantu: SO I KNOW WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THEM. AND MILES, THERE'S NO LOOPHOLES IN THERE TO APPLY THE PRESSURE TO CITY OF SINTON, TO THOSE GROUPS OF PEOPLE UP THERE IN SAN PAT COUNTY? THERE'S NOTHING WE COULD DO TO APPLY THE PRESSURE OF A CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE? LIKE THERE'S NO LOOPHOLES? >> Risley: I'M NOT GOING TO SAY ANY CONTRACT HAS NO LOOPHOLES, THAT WOULD BE KIND OF BINDING MY CLIENT WITH A CONTRACT THAT'S DOZENS OF PAGES. BUT I WILL SAY IN GENERAL, YOU CAN'T JUST PICK AND CHOOSE AND SELECTIVELY CUT OFF YOUR CUSTOMERS. YOU'RE NOT -- THE LAW DOESN'T PERMIT THAT. >> Cantu: THAT'S REAL WEAK. THAT'S A REALLY WEAK ANSWER. I MEAN, THEY'RE STOPPING US FROM GETTING WATER TO OUR REGION TO HALF A MILLION PEOPLE, AND WE PROVIDE THEM WITH 40 MGDS PER DAY, THEY MAKE MONEY OFF TAXES OF THS REFINERIES THAT PROVIDE SCHOOLS -- BUILT BRAND-NEW SCHOOLS, BUILT ALL THIS BRAND-NEW STUFF IN PORTLAND AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF, AND WE HAVE THOUGH R NO LOOPHOLES TO SAY WE NEED THIS WATER, WHY ARE YOU DELAYING US. I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. DO WE GOT TO GET A CONSULTANT FOR THAT TO TELL US WHAT WE CAN DO IN THAT CONTRACT? I MEAN, I REALLY THINK YOU SHOULD GET INVOLVED MORE IN THIS CONTRACT AND FIGURE OUT SOME LOOPHOLES TO HELP US HERE. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. AND MARCH 2ND COMES AROUND, WE DON'T GET NOWHERE, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? >> Risley: I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THESE CONTRACTS ARE BILATERAL CONTRACTS. THEY'RE NEGOTIATED BETWEEN TWO ENTITIES. WE DON'T JUST GET TO PUT OUR OUR FORM CONTRACT AS THE CONTRACT WITH OTHER ENTITIES. FURTHER MORE, THE CONTRACT WITH THE ENTITIES IN SAN PATRICIO COUNTY IS WITH THE SAN PATRICIO MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT, THEY MAKE CONTRACTS WITH THE SUBORDINATE ENTITIES UNDER THEM. SO WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THE SAN PATRICIO MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT, AS WELL AS OTHER ENTITIES IN THE AREA. >> Cantu: THERE'S NO LOOPHOLES RIGHT? THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO? >> Risley: I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU MEAN BY -- >> Cantu: JUST SOMETHING, SOMETHING TO -- I MEAN, WHAT ARE WE DOING? WE JUST HAVE OUR HANDS BEHIND OUR BACKS? I MEAN, THIS IS MAKING NO SENSE. IT REALLY DOESN'T. >> Risley: NORMALLY WHEN AN ENTITY FALLS SHORT OF THE AMOUNT OF WATER AVAILABLE, IT'S REQUIRED TO CUT BACK ON A PRO RATA BASIS AND TREAT EVERYBODY ON A SIMILAR BASIS SO THAT EVERYBODY'S PART OF THE RISING TIDE OR FALLING TIDE, AS IT MAY BE. IN GENERAL, THE LAW DOES NOT PERMIT ONE TO -- THE AREA WATER PROVIDER TO SIMPLY SELECT OUT CUSTOMERS AND TREAT THEM MORE BADLY THAN THE OTHERS. >> Cantu: MILES, YOU'VE GOT TO DO BETTER WITH THESE CONTRACTS. THESE CONTRACTS ARE JUST FOR THE OTHER PEOPLE TO BENEFIT, NOT FOR THE CITY TO BENEFIT. LIKE WE ALWAYS GET SCREWED AT THE END OF IT. I MEAN, IT'S JUST -- WE GIVE THEM WHAT THEY WANT. THAT'S JUST FROM THE WATER, FROM ANYTHING, FROM CONTRACTORS TO WHATEVER THE CASE IS. I MEAN, THESE CONTRACTS ARE JUST -- I JUST -- BLOWS MY MIND. >> Mayor Guajardo: I WOULD LIKE ONE OF YOU, AND I WOULD THINK ONE OF YOU WOULD WANT TO DEFEND THAT, THE CITY WHAT WAS JUST STATED. >> Risley: WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION MAYOR? >> Mayor Guajardo: IT'S NOT MY QUESTION. IT'S A STATEMENT THE COUNCILMAN MADE AND I THINK HE'S ASKING FOR CLARITY ON THAT. >> Risley: WE CAN PROVIDE CLARITY ON THAT ISSUE IN GENERAL WITH WATER CONTRACTS, AS THE AREA WATER PROVIDER, YOU'RE -- WHEN YOU CUT BACK, YOU CUT BACK ON THE FORMULA ESTABLISHED IN THE CONTRACT OR YOU CUT BACK ON THE ESTABLISHED FORMULA -- ON A PRO RATA BASIS. AND PRO RATA IS -- >> Mayor Guajardo: YEAH, BUT MILES, YOU'RE KIND OF GETTING IN THE WEEDS. PETER, YOU SHOULD JUMP IN HERE. YOU'RE THE CITY MANAGER. THE COUNCILMAN IS SAYING -- AND I UNDERSTAND, HE'S SAYING, HEY, WE'RE JUST SITTING ON OUR HANDS AND NO ONE'S RESPONDING TO THAT. I MEAN IN TERMS OF THE CONTRACT. PETER THAT'S IN YOUR PURVIEW. I'M NOT ASKING A LEGAL QUESTION. >> Zanoni: YEAH, RIGHT. >> Mayor Guajardo: HE'S TALKING ABOUT CLARITY AND NO ONE'S SAYING ANYTHING. >> Zanoni: WELL, BECAUSE WE -- WE HAVE SAID IT ALREADY THAT -- AND BUSINESSES AND CITIES AND COUNTIES IN SAN PATRICIO COUNTY ARE A LITTLE DISMAYED AT THE FACT THAT ONE TOWN THAT USES THE WATER IS HOLDING THE ENTIRE REGION ON HOLD, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE ISSUE THE COUNCILMAN'S SAYING. AND WE'VE EXPRESSED THAT CONCERN TO THE SINTON CITY MANAGER AND THE MAYOR OF SINTON AND COUNCILMEMBERS OF SINTON. WE WENT TO THEIR COUNT TILL MEETING TO TALK TO THEM, IN FACT, AND THEY WOULDN'T EVEN LET US TALK. SO PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THAT, THAT BIG TAX BASE THAT'S SUPPLYING SAN PATRICIO COUNTY WITH JOBS AND PROPERTY TAXES ARE -- THEIR BUSINESS MODEL'S ON HOLD UNTIL WE CAN SOLVE THIS ISSUE WITH SINTON, FRANKLY. THAT'S THE ISSUE. SO IT'S JUST KIND OF A STEP BY STEP APPROACH THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE BUT... >> Cantu: I SURE HOPE WE DON'T GET HURT -- [OFF MIC] COUNCILWO MAN VAUGHN? >> Vaughn: I THINK Y'ALL ARE MISSING IT. I THINK WHAT THE MAYOR'S TRYING TO SAY, AS ERIC SAYS, HE DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THE CITY IS TAKING CARE OF THE CITY IN THE CONTRACTS, THAT YOU'RE FAVORING -- THAT THEY'RE BEING TAKEN CARE OF, WHOEVER YOU'VE GOT THE CONTRACTS WITH, SO I THINK SHE'S TRYING TO TELL YOU, DEFEND YOURSELF. ARE YOU TAKING CARE OF THE CITY, OR ARE WE THE FIRST PRIORITY? ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, COUNCILMAN? THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING, MAYOR -- >> Mayor Guajardo: NOBODY SAID ANYTHING. >> Zanoni: I MISUNDERSTOOD. >> Mayor Guajardo: START DEFENDING THE CONTRACTS. WE'RE NOT SITTING ON OUR HANDS. AND THE OTHER QUESTION HE'S CLEARLY SAYING IS, WHAT CAN WE DO? WHAT IS THE PROCESS? YOU EXPLAINED IT WELL? BUT IS THERE SOMETHING TO DO. HE'S USING THE WORD "LOOPHOLE," BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS WHO IS THIS JUDGE? HOW DOES IT WORK? IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE THAT CAN BE DONE? I KNOW HE'S REFERRING TO THE CONTRACTS. I GET IT. BUT I'M JUST A LITTLE -- I MEAN, NO ONE IS SAYING -- YOU GUYS AREN'T SAYING ANYTHING AND I THINK YOU SHOULD BE. >> Zanoni: I JUST SAID SOMETHING, BUT THE ISSUE IS THAT MI MILES SAID IT, BY STATE LAW, YOU CAN'T DISCRIMINATE TO SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO CUT WATER FROM ALL THE CUSTOMERS AROUND SINTON BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT WORKING WITH US. WHICH CAN'T DO THAT. YOU HAVE TO EQUALLY ACROSS THE BOARD REDUCE WATER FROM ALL CUSTOMERS. >> Vaughn: I THINK THAT IS -- I THINK MOREOVER WHAT THEY'RE SAYING, I THINK ALL CONTRACTS, I THINK HE'S FEELING LIKE WE'RE NOT DOING THE MOST WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THE CITY IS PROTECTED OVER THE CONTRACTS YOU HAVE WITH INDUSTRY OR ANYONE ELSE. I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE'S ASKING. >> Zanoni: YEAH, WELL, THERE'S ONLY SO MANY CONTRACTS. THERE'S CONTRACTS WITH SAN PATRICIO WATER DISTRICT, WE HAVE A TAKE OR PAY CONTRACT THROUGH SAN PAT WITH -- WHAT IS IT CALLED -- EXXON. >> Winkelmann: EXXON AND STEELE DYNAMICS. >> Zanoni: OUTSIDE OF THAT, WE ALREADY KNOW THERE ARE NO CONTRACTS WITH LARGE VOLUME USERS OUTSIDE NUECES COUNTY. >> Mayor Guajardo: ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON. COUNCILMAN SCOTT? >> Scott: OKAY. BUT -- I WASN'T THERE, BUT EXXON WAS AT THE PODIUM, THEY WERE ON TV SAYING THEY SUPPORTED US GETTING THE PERMITS RIGHT? SO. >> Zanoni: THE CITY OF SINTON. >> Scott: NO. YOUR HEARING LAST WEEK AND THE QUESTION IS, WERE OUR PARTNERS IN SAN PATRICIO THERE TO SUPPORT OUR EFFORT. >> Zanoni: O'ER, ABSOLUTELY THEY WERE. . >> Scott: THAT GETS LOST IN THE SHUFFLE. DOES SINTON BUY WATER FROM US. >> Zanoni: NO, THEY DO NOT. >> Scott: THE ISSUE IS, WE'RE MAD AT AN ENTITY THAT WE DON'T HAVE A WATER BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP WITH. THE SAN PATRICIO MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT,DY THEY SHOW UP AND SUPPORT -- >> Zanoni: THEY WERE THERE BUT THEY DIDN'T SPEAK. >> Scott: THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE WANT TO ASK FOR, BECAUSE MY SENSE IS INDUSTRY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CHANNEL DID SHOW UP, AND I THINK THEY WERE MAKING PHONE CALLS AND MEETING WITH, YOU KNOW, OPINION MAKERS TO TRY TO INFLUENCE -- TO TRY TO SUGGEST TO THE GCD THAT THIS IS IMPORTANT, SO I DON'T WANT TO GET THEM -- I UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S SAYING, BUT I THINK OUR PARTNERS OVER THERE WITH THE EXCEPTION THEY JUST TOLD ME, THE SAN PATRICIO MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT, WERE ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN HELPING US GET THE PERMIT. >> Zanoni: YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT. [SIMULTANEOUS SPEAKING]. >> Scott: OUR ISSUE IS WE'RE MAD AT AN ENTITY WHO DOESN'T DO BUSINESS WITH US, RIGHT? SINTON DOESN'T BUY WATER FROM US. >> Zanoni: I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE MAD AT THEM, BUT IT'S -- >> Scott: THAT WAS COLOBINGIAL, I GUESS. >> Zanoni: LIKE I SAID, WE WENT TO GO TALK TO THEM LAST MONDAY OR TUESDAY, WHENEVER THEIR CITY COUNCIL MEETING IS, AND WE COULDN'T EVEN SPEAK. WE'RE TRYING TO BE FRIENDS WITH THEM, TRYING TO NEGOTIATE WITH THEM, IT'S HARD WHEN THE OTHER PARTY WON'T TALK TO YOU. >> Scott: I WISH THEY'D TALK TO US. >> Mayor Guajardo: EXCUSE ME. HAVE WE TRIED LAWYER TO LAWYER? >> Zanoni: YES, WE HAVE. >> Mayor Guajardo: AND THEY WON'T TALK? >> Zanoni: YEAH. >> Mayor Guajardo: ALL RIGHT. >> Zanoni: YEAH, THEIR LAWYER HAS BEEN TRYING TO TALK -- HAS BEEN TRYING TO COMMUNICATE -- EXCUSE ME, OUR LAWYER, THE SELLER'S LAWYER, IS TRYING TO COMMUNICATE WITH THEIR LAWYER, AND THEY CAN'T MAKE -- THEY SAID THAT WE'LL TALK TO YOU IN TWO WEEKS. >> Scott: YEAH. >> Mayor Guajardo: ALL RIGHT. COUNCILWOMAN CAMPOS? >> Campos: THANK YOU, MAYOR. OKAY. WELL, I'M GLAD THAT COUNCILMAN CANTU DID BRING UP ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IS THERE ANY LOOPHOLES, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO. HELLO. WE'RE -- RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THE AMENDMENT, THE FAIR WATER AMENDMENT, WHICH WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS, WHICH ARE THESE KINDS OF CONTRACTS THAT WE NEGOTIATE THAT WE SAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO CUT BACK, YOU CAN PAY 31 CENTS FOR 1,000-GALLONS AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO CUT BACK. SO THAT IS ONE WAY WE CAN DO IT. THE OTHER IS, PUTTING INTO A CLAUSE THAT ACTUALLY SAYS -- I MEAN, I CAN'T EVEN BELIEVE IT THAT SAYS YOU HAVE FIVE-YEAR NOTICE. WHAT IN THE WORLD COULD ANY OF Y'ALL HAVE BEEN THINKING TO HAVE ALLOWED THAT? SO AGAIN LOOPHOLES YEAH. THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE NEED TO CORRECT RIGHT NOW, AND HOPEFULLY THE PEOPLE WILL HAVE A SAY AND HOPEFULLY THEY'LL TAKE ADVANTAGE AND SIGN THAT PETITION BECAUSE WE DO NEED TO END THOSE LOOPHOLES. SO THERE IS A WAY. SIGN THAT PETITION. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND GO INTO YOUR WATER SUPPLY PROJECTS UPDATE. >> Winkelmann: ABSOLUTELY. >> Mayor Guajardo: AND FOR THE RECORD, I DO WANT TO STATE THAT, YOU KNOW, AT THAT MEETING, PETER AND NICK AND MYSELF, DID ANYBODY ELSE SPEAK PUBLIC COMMENT? >> Zanoni: AT THE SECOND? AT THE PLEATING OF -- >> Mayor Guajardo: THE LAST ONE. >> Zanoni: THE LAST ONE. >> Mayor Guajardo: THIS LAST ONE. >> Zanoni: SO I SPOKE, YOU SPOKE, WHO ELSE SPOKE, NICK? >> Winkelmann: I SPOKE. >> Zanoni: NICK DID. >> Winkelmann: AND WE HAD A NUMBER OF THOSE INDUSTRIES WERE THERE, SCHOOL DISTRICTS WERE THERE, WE HAD THE CITY MANAGER OF MATHIS SHOWING US SUPPORT, RANDY WRIGHT FROM PORTLAND SHOWING HIS SUPPORT, JOHN BYRUM FROM THE NRA SHOWING HIS SUPPORT. THERE REALLY WAS QUITE A LIST OF PEOPLE SUPPORTING THE PROJECT. >> Zanoni: RIGHT. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. OKAY. NICK, THE WATER SUPPLY PROJECT'S UPDATE. >> Winkelmann: OKAY. SO THIS WOULD BE MORE OF OUR TRADITIONAL UPDATE MINUS EVANGELINE BECAUSE WE WENT OVER THAT. WE COULD SHOW -- IS IT SHOWING ON EVERYONE'S SCREEN THERE. >> Mayor Guajardo: NOT YET. OKAY. SO WE WILL -- I'LL GIVE YOU AN UPDATE FROM THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE, TOUCH ON OUR SURFACE WATER SUPPLY AT LAKE TEXANA AND ALSO DISCUSS OUR GROUNDWATER SUPPLY IN NU NUECES COUNTY, WASTEWATER REUSE UPDATE AND UPDATE ON INNER HARBOR AND AN UPDATE ON HARBOR ISLAND. SO AS ALL OF YOU KNOW, WE MEET WITH THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE EVERY WEEK. THE CALL IS -- IT'S A GREAT INFORMATIONAL CALL, AND WE'RE ALLOWED TO ASK QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS. WHAT THIS GRAPH -- THIS CHART -- THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES ARE TAKEN DIRECTLY FROM THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN THAT BRIEFING, BUT IT SHOWS A HUGE PORTION OF OUR AREA IS IN WHAT'S CALLED EXTREME DROUGHT WITH THE REMAINING PORTION IN SEVERE DROUGHT. THAT OUTLOOK IS WORSENING AND THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SAYS THAT THE AREAS KEEP EXPANDING WEEK BY WEEK. WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT. I MENTIONED IT, BUT THE IMPORTANCE OF STREAM FLOW. STREAM FLOW IS CRITICAL, BECAUSE THAT'S THE INPUTS INTO OUR RESERVOIRS, BOTH LAKE CORPUS CHRISTI AND CHOKE CANYON. THIS INFORMATION PROVIDED FROM THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE JUST SHOWS HOW DISMAL THE STREAM FLOW IS. IT'S UNFORTUNATELY, YEAR OVER YEAR, IT HAS NOT IMPROVED, AND TO BE HONEST, I WISH IT WOULD JUST REMAIN THE SAME, BUT IT KEEPS GETTING WORSE. FUEL DRYNESS AND SOIL MOISTURE, IF YOU LOOK AT TEXAS, THE SOIL MOISTURE IN MOST OF TEXAS IS IN POOR CONDITION. AND WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT? BECAUSE WHEN WE GET PRECIPITATION IN OUR WATERSHED, THE GROUND ITSELF WILL TAKE MOST OF THE WATER BEFORE IT ACTUALLY RUNS OFF INTO THE RESERVOIR. SO WE DO WATCH THAT VERY CLOSELY. THE OTHER GRAPHIC THAT WE'RE PROVIDED THIS WEEK WAS THE NUMBER OF DAYS SINCE RAIN. AND FOR MOST OF SOUTH TEXAS WE ARE SURPASSING THE 25-DAY MARK WITHOUT RAIN. AND MOST OF THE WATERSHED ITSELF HAS BEEN LONGER THAN 25 DAYS WITHOUT ANY RAIN. AND WITHOUT RAIN IS DEFINED AS LESS THAN .04 INCHES FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS GRAPH. WE KNOW WE'VE COMPLETED THE MONTH OF JANUARY. JANUARY IS NOT A GOOD HISTORIC PRECIPITATION MONTH FOR OUR WATERSHED. OUTLINED HERE ARE THE DIFFERENT WATERSHEDS IN OUR AREA OF TEXAS. YOU CAN SEE THE WATERSHED ON THE LOWER PORTION OF THE PAGE, THAT WATERSHED IS AVERAGING .5 TO 2 INCHES BELOW NORMAL FOR RAINFALL. THAT'S IN JANUARY. AND THEN AS YOU MOVE FURTHER TO THE EAST, YOU START SEEING THE LAKE TEXANA WATERSHED, WHICH IS THE SMALLER ONE, 1 INCHES TO 2 INCHES BELOW NORMAL, AND THEN THE ONE TO THE MOST NORTH, THAT'S THE LOWER COLORADO WATERSHED, AND THEY'VE HAD SOME RAIN UPSTREAM, WHICH HAS BEEN BENEFICIAL, BUT DOWNSTREAM ON THE COLORADO, THEY HAVEN'T HAD MUCH RAINFALL. WITH THAT NEWS, I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE SURFACE WATER SUPPLY OF LAKE TEXANA. THE DATA PROVIDED BY LNRA, WHICH MANAGES LAKE TEXANA, THEY HAVE PROVIDED US YESTERDAY THAT THE RESERVOIR CAPACITY IS AT 61%. A YEAR AGO IN 2024, THAT'S AT 72%. SO WHEN THAT NUMBER REACHES 50% AND DROPS BELOW THAT, WE'RE LOOKING AT CURTAILMENT FROM LAKE TEXANA. THE DRAWING ON THE RIGHT SHOWS THE PROJECTIONS -- AND WE'RE SENT THIS WEEKLY. LNRA HAS COMMITTED TO SENDING THIS WEEKLY, THEIREST APRIL 8TH IS THE DAY WE WILL FALL BELOW 50TH% -- THEIR ESTIMATE APRIL 8TH IS WHEN WE'LL FALL BELOW 50%. WE WILL BE SCHEDULING A MEETING WITH LNRA NEXT WEEK. THEY'LL GIVE US AN UPDATE AS WELL AS THEIR OTHER SIGNIFICANT USERS, WHICH INCLUDES FORMOSA. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TRADITIONAL WESTERN RESERVOIRS, YOU'VE GOT LAKE CORPUS CHRISTI AND CHOKE CANYON. LAKE CORPUS CHRISTI RESERVOIR CAPACITY IS 10.9%. CHOKE CANYON IS AT EIGHT POINTER EIGHT%. 8.8PERCENT. THE COMBINED CAPACITY OF THOSE TWO RESERVOIRS IS NINE .4%. THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT IS A PICTURE OF LAKE CORPUS CHRISTI. YOU CAN JUST VISUALLY SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OCTOBER '21 AND OCTOBER 2025. JUST THE DIFFERENCE IN THE SIZE AND BREADTH OF THAT RESERVOIR. AND, AGAIN, OUR DASHBOARD IS ON OUR WEBSITE, AND THE PROJECTED DATE OF THE LEVEL 1 WATER EMERGENCY CURRENTLY IS NOVEMBER. LOOK AT OUR NUECES GROUNDWATER PROGRAM, WHICH WERE WERE THANKFUL TO TALK A LOT ABOUT ALREADY TODAY. THE EASTERN WELLFIELD IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE. THE CURRENT EXPENDITURES ARE SHOWN ON THE -- ON THE SLIDE AT APPROXIMATELY 16.9 MILLION -- OR $16.9 MILLION. THE WESTERN WELLFIELD, THE BED AND BANKS PERMIT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO TCEQ. WELL NUMBERS 9, 10 AND 11 ARE COMPLETE AND ARE AWAITING PERMANENT POWER. SO THAT MEANS THE WELL HAS BEEN DRILLED, DEVELOPED, TEST PUMPED AND THE PERMANENT PUMPING EQUIPMENT IS INSTALLED. WELL NUMBER 12 AND 13, THE DRILLING IS COMPLETE. 12 WILL BE INSTALLING THE PERMANENT PUMP WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK. 13, THE PERMANENT PUMP IS IN DESIGN, AND WE'RE AWAITING ON DELIVERY. WELL NUMBER 14, WE JUST COMPLETED THE TEST PUMPING, AQUIFER TESTING JUST YESTERDAY, AND YOU CAN SEE THE PICTURE ON THE TOP RIGHT, THAT IS THE ACTUAL TESTING FROM WELL 14. WOWELL NUMBER 15, WE HAVE COMPLETED -- WE ARE DRILLING AHEAD. WE HAVE INSTALLED THE SCREEN AND CASING, AND WE WILL BE MOVING TOWARDS DEVELOP LT ON THAT WELL. WELL NUMBER 16, WE'VE COMPLETED THE PILOT HOLE, WHICH HAS ALLOWED US TO CONDUCT THE GEOPHYSICAL LOG AND GET THE PRODUCTION SCREENS AND CASING ORDERED AND READY FOR DELIVERY. WELL NUMBER 17, WE JUST COMPLETED GEOPHYSICAL LOGGING. THAT LOG WILL BE REVIEWED AND THE WELL DESIGN WILL BE FINALIZED. CCW CREWS HAVE INSTALLED 3.17 MILES OF PVC WATERLINE ON THIS PROJECT, THAT'S 24-INCH DIAMETER, 16-INCH AND 12-INCH DIAMETER. AND ONE THING I'D LIKE TO SAY ABOUT THAT, SO THE PICTURE ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT, THIS SHOWS OUR -- THE LOCATION OF OUR WATERLINE TO THE RIVER. SO JUST LIKE IN THE EASTERN WELLFIELD, WE HAVE TO RUN A WATERLINE TO THE RIVER TO DISCHARGE PER THE BED AND BANKS PERMIT. THAT WATERLINE LEAVES THE WESTERN WELLFIELD AND WE ACCESS THE RIVER THROUGH AN EASEMENT ON THE EDWARD SHALE PROPERTY. THE EDWARD SHALE GROUP PROVIDED US AN EASEMENT AT NO COST. THAT EASEMENT WAS FINALIZED LATE DECEMBER, DECEMBER 23RD, SO, YES, CCW CREWS HAVE BEEN ONSITE. WE HAVE BEEN INSTALLING THE WATERLINE FROM THE WESTERN WELLFIELD TO THE NUECES RIVER. THE FULL WELLFIELD IS EXPECTED TO BE OPERATIONAL IN MAY OF 2026. ONE THING TO NOTE, AND WE'RE THANKFUL FOR OUR PARTNERS AT NEC, THEY HAVE WORKED VERY CLOSE WITH US TO PROVIDE ELECTRIC POWER FOR THE OPERATIONS OF THESE WELL PUMPS. WE ARE EXPECTING TO HAVE POWER ENOUGH TO RUN A PORTION OF THE WELLFIELD, APPROXIMATELY HALF THE WELLS, BY THE END OF FEBRUARY. CURRENT EXPENDITURES FOR THE WESTERN WELLFIELD IS APPROXIMATELY $20.5 MILLION. AGAIN, THE -- WE RECEIVED A $30 MILLION GRANT, AND WE'RE VERY THANKFUL TO THE STATE OF TEXAS FOR SUPPORTING OUR PROJECT. WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT, BUT THE -- THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS REGARDING THE WATER QUALITY. IN THE RIVER AND IN THE EASTERN WELLFIELD WHICH, OF COURSE, IS IN OPERATION, THE DATA SHOWS -- THIS IS DATA THAT WAS COLLECTED LAST WEEK, BUT WELL NUMBER 6, THE ARSENIC LEVELS WAS .064-MILLIGRAMS PER LITER. OF COURSE, THE LIMIT IS .01. WELL NUMBER 7, LESS THAN .00093. WELL 5, .0047, WELL 2, .0047. WELL 3, .0046. WELL 4 IS .011. UPSTREAM OF WELL 1, SO THIS WOULD BE UPSTREAM OF THE WELLFIELD IN THE NUECES RIVER, THAT'S AT .015, SO THAT'S BEFORE ANY DISCHARGES OF THE WELL. THE ARSENIC LEVEL NEAR THE HAZEL BASE MOORE PARK WAS .012. THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ADD IS THERE IS A CREEK LEADING INTO THE NUECES RIVER AHEAD OF HAZEL BAZEMORE PARK WHICH IS WHERE THE LOCATION OF THE NCWCIC3 INTAKE IS THAT WAS AT 0.21, SUBSTANTIALLY GREATER THAN ALL OTHER READINGS. AS YOU KNOW FROM MY MEMO THAT I ISSUED EARLIER THIS WEEK WE HAVE SEEN RISING ARSENIC LEVELS THROUGHOUT THE CHOKE CANYON RESERVOIR AND LAKE CORPUS CHRISTI. THAT IS SOMETHING WE WILL CONTINUE TO MONITOR AND WATCH. THE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS -- AND THERE'S A SLIGHT TYPO THERE, BUT THE FINISHED WATER FROM THE OWENS STEVEN WATER TREATMENT REALLY PLANT IS .00 -- SORRY, IT'S LESS THAN .00093, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY CONSIDERED A NONDETECT WHEN YOU LOOK AT LABORATORY EQUIPMENT FOR ARSENIC. THE DATA -- ESPECIALLY THIS CREEK THAT'S UPSTREAM OF HAZEL BAZEMORE PARK, WE SHARED THAT WITH NUECES COUNTY WCID NUMBER 3 THIS MORNING, AND THEN WE HAVE A MEETING PLANNED WITH THEM AT THE END OF THIS WEEK TO TALK THROUGH THINGS THAT THEY ARE SEEING ALONG THE RIVER AND SHARING OUR DATA THAT WE CONTINUE TO COMPILE. THE ONE THING I CAN SAY IS THE DECLINING WATER LEVELS WITHIN THE ENTIRE SYSTEM CERTAINLY HAS -- CONTINUES TO AFFECT THINGS. WASTEWATER REUSE PROJECT, WE'RE VERY APPRECIATIVE OF YOUR SUPPORT. COUNCIL APPROVED -- PROVIDED THE SECOND APPROVAL FOR THE AGREEMENT WITH FLINT HILLS RESOURCES THAT WOULD PROVIDE ONE MGD BY THE END OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR, PROVIDED EVERYTHING GOES AS PLANNED. AND WOULD BE A FOLLOW-UP OF ANOTHER 1 MGD THE NEXT CALENDAR YEAR. PREVIOUSLY COUNCIL APPROVED AN AGREEMENT WITH VALERO. THAT AGREEMENT ALLOWS FOR 3 MILLION-GALLONS A DAY WITH AN INCREASE TO 8 MILLION-GALLONS A DAY ONCE THE CONVEYANCE LINE FROM THE OSO WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT IS COMPLETED TO GREENWOOD. THOSE PROJECTS ARE CRITICAL BECAUSE IT'S AN OFFSET OF DEMAND FROM OUR EXISTING CUSTOMERS. SO THAT -- THOSE TOTALS WOULD ESSENTIALLY REDUCE OUR WATER SUPPLY DEMAND AND WOULD BENEFIT OUR OUTLOOK. THE OTHER THING THAT CONTINUES TO GO ON AS CCW CONTINUES TO MEET WITH OTHER ENTITIES, BECAUSE THE PROJECTION IS 16 MILLION-GALLONS A DAY TOTAL, SO IF YOU ADD EVERYTHING UP, WE'VE GOT 10 MILLION-GALLONS A DAY UNDER CONTRACT, SO WE'VE STILL GOT ANOTHER SIX TO GO. WE'RE NOT LETTING UP AND WE CONTINUE TO WORK THROUGH THAT. THE INNER HARBOR SEAWATER DESALINATION PROJECT, TONS OF WORK HAS BEEN CONDUCTED. WE OR VERY PLEASED WITH THE PROJECT -- WITH THE PROGRESS OF THE CORPUS CHRISTI DESAL PARTNERS. THERE'S ABSOLUTELY A LOT GOING ON THERE MOVING TOWARDS THE EFFORT TO BRING TO COUNCIL ON FEBRUARY 24TH AN ITEM IN WHICH THE CORPUS CHRISTI DESAL PARTNERS WOULD PRESENT A PATH FORWARD FOR COUNCIL'S REVIEW AND CONSIDERATION. ADDITIONALLY, THE CITY HAS ISSUED A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS FOR AN OWNERS AGENT/REPRESENTATIVE. THOSE QUALIFICATIONS WERE DUE LAST WEEK, FEBRUARY 4TH. STAFF AND THE PROCUREMENT DEPARTMENT WILL REVIEW THOSE QUALIFICATIONS AS IN ANY NORMAL RFQ PROCESS. THE FAR FIELD COMMITTEE MEETING, THE FIRST ONE WAS HELD ON JANUARY 22ND. THE SECOND MEETING IS PLANNED FOR MARCH 5TH. THE HARBOR ISLAND SEAWATER DESALINATION PROJECT, AGAIN, THIS IS A PROJECT THAT IS BEING MANAGED BY THE NUECES RIVER AUTHORITY. CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI IS SUPPORTING THAT PROJECT, AND WE HAVE CONTRIBUTED IN A RESERVATION FEE. THE AUTHORITY HAS ISSUED A FORMAL RFQ FOR A DEVELOPMENT PARTNER. THOSE RESPONSES ARE DUE MARCH 6TH. SO THAT WOULD BE FOR A PARTNER SUCH AS A PUBLIC/PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP. TCEQ, A LITTLE BIT OF A PERMITTING UPDATE, TCEQ HAS ISSUED A NOTICE REGARDING THE APPLICATION FOR WATER USE PERMIT. IN MANY CIRCLES, WE REFER TO THAT AS A DRAFT PERMIT, SO THAT'S BEEN ISSUED. THE PERMIT WOULD AUTHORIZE THE DIVERSION OF 350,000-ACRE FEET OF WATER PER YEAR. THE -- I HAVE GIVEN YOU THE WEBSITE WHERE THE APPLICATION, THE NECK TECHNICAL DATA IS. AGAIN, THAT'S JUST A DRAFT PERMIT, AND RIGHT NOW WE DON'T KNOW THE FULL PROCESS, IF TC WILL REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING OR NOT. THE NRA HAS STATED THAT THEY EXPECT THE TCEQ TO ISSUE THE DRAFT DISCHARGE PERMIT BY THE END OF FEBRUARY. SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THEM TO GET PROGRESS AND UPDATES. AND I DO MY BEST TO INCLUDE ALL OF THEIR UPDATES IN OUR WEEKLY WATER SUPPLY MEMO. >> Zanoni: AND NICK, ON THE NRA, WE LEARNED THIS MORNING -- OR I GUESS LAST NIGHT, THAT THEIR BOARD MEETING THAT WE'LL BE GOING TO NEXT FRIDAY, THEY WILL BE AWARDING THE DESIGN FOR THE PIPE -- THE CONVEYANCE PIPE. >> Winkelmann: YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT. SO THERE'S MULTIPLE FACETS TO IT. AND THE NRA HAS COMMITTED TO MOVING FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN OF THE CONVEYANCE PIPE. EARLY ON AS THEY GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF SELECTING THEIR PUBLIC/PRIVATE PARTNER, SO THAT'S VERY GOOD. >> Zanoni: YEAH, SO THAT DESIGN CONTRACT WILL BE AWARDED NEXT FRIDAY, AND WE'LL BE THERE. WE'VE BEEN GOING TO THEIR MEETINGS, THEIR BOARD MEETINGS. >> Winkelmann: YEAH. THE LAST SLIDE IS JUST A REMINDER, WE HAVE OUR PROJECT UPDATE WEBSITE SECURING WATER.CORPUS CHRISTITX.GOV, THE WEBSITE IS UPDATED PERIODICALLY AS WE HAVE MORE INFORMATION AVAILABLE. WITH THAT, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I'LL STAND BY FOR QUESTIONS. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, NICK. COUNCILMAN CANTU? >> Cantu: THANK YOU, MAYOR. IF LAKE TEXANA DOESN'T GET ANY WATER AND THEY BRING US DOWN TO 10% ON APRIL THE 11TH, HOW DOES OUR TIME SHEET LOOK LIKE? >> Winkelmann: SO LET ME ANSWER THAT QUESTION WITH SOME POSITIVE NEWS. SO THE LOWER COLORADO RIVER CURRENTLY IS PERFORMING WELL AND WELL ENOUGH FOR US TO CONTINUE TO DRAW OUR RIGHTS ON THE RIVER. WHAT WE WOULD DO TO CONTINUE TO PULL AS MUCH WATER FROM THE COLORADO RIVER. EVENTUALLY, THAT WILL CATCH UP TO US, THOUGH, AND IT WILL CATCH UP TO US LATER IN THE YEAR. BUT IT WOULD DEFINITELY PUSH -- I'M SORRY. BRING FORWARD THAT NOVEMBER 2026 DATE. AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WATCH VERY CLOSELY. WE CONTINUE TO TALK WITH OUR PARTNERS AT THE LNRA AND IT HAS, FOR THE LAST TWO TO THREE MONTHS BEEN A PART OF OUR WEEKLY CALL WITH THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE. >> Cantu: OUR COMBINED CAPACITY IS AT 9.4% TODAY, RIGHT? >> Winkelmann: FOR THE WESTERN RESERVOIRS. IT'S CHOKE CANYON AND LAKE CORPUS CHRISTI. >> Cantu: SO WHEN DO WE -- IF THERE'S NO RAIN OVER THAT, WHEN DO WE STOP GETTING WATER FROM THERE? AT WHAT PERCENTAGE? IS 9.4 REALLY A REAL NUMBER? DO WE STOP AT 5%? HOW DOES THAT WORK? >> Winkelmann: SURE. >> Cantu: I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF ON THE BOTTOM OF THAT LAKE. WHAT'S A TRUE NUMBER? DO WE EMPTY OUT TO 0% OR DOES IT STOP AT 5%? HOW DOES THAT WORK? >> Winkelmann: AND TODAY I CAN'T ANSWER THAT NUMBER BECAUSE AS I SAID EARLIER, WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO MONITOR THE WATER QUALITY. BECAUSE AS THE RESERVOIR CAPACITY CONTINUES TO GET SMALLER -- AND IT WILL. WE'VE SEEN IT. IT CONTINUES TO SHRINK. WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT POTENTIAL OTHER WATER QUALITY ISSUES THAT MAY ARISE BUT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT. >> Zanoni: COUNCILMAN, I'M CHALLENGING NICK AND TEAM SINCE LAST WEEK TO GET THAT ANSWER. RIGHT NOW THE MODEL, IN ITS SIMPLISTIC FORM, DRAINS IT TO ZERO BUT WE KNOW THAT'S PROBABLY UNREALISTIC. WE'RE TALKING WITH TWO PERSONS ABOUT THE AQUATIC LIFE THAT MAY BE IN THE REMAINING WATER. THERE COULD BE A LARGE AQUATIC LIFE KILL AS OXYGEN GETS LOWER. WE'LL HAVE THOSE ANSWERS PROBABLY IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO. WHAT IS THE REAL DRAW DOWN. WHAT'S THE AFFECT OF THE AQUATIC LIFE. THE ARSENIC WE'RE SEEING IS FROM THOSE TWO BODIES OF WATER. AS THEY GET LOWER, THE ARSENIC READINGS ARE GETTING HIGHER OUT OF THE LAKES, IT'S NOT FROM THE WELLS. SO WE'LL HAVE THAT ANSWER SOON. WE DON'T HAVE IT TODAY BUT WE'RE WORKING ON IT. >> Cantu: HOW MUCH MGDs ARE WE PULLING THERE? >> Winkelmann: IT'S ABOUT 40. >> Cantu: THAT'S A LOT. >> Zanoni: NICK WILL BE UPDATING THE DASHBOARD. BECAUSE THAT ASSUMES SOME LEVEL OF INFLOW, AS THEY CALL IT. BUT WE'RE SEEING ABNORMALLY LOW INFLOWS. IN FACT, THE WEATHER SERVICE TOLD US THAT THE ATASCOSA RIVER IS DANGEROUSLY LOW ON INFLOW. THEY WERE SHOCKED BY IT. SHOCKED. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT THE MODEL AGAIN TO SEE. NICK'S THINKING NOVEMBER OR OCTOBER. JUST A LITTLE BIT FOREWARNING. THAT WILL BE UPDATED TOO AND WE'LL BE BRINGING THAT BACK TO COUNCIL. >> Cantu: WHAT'S THE NUMBER OF MGDs THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC USES? JUST REGULAR PEOPLE. HOMES. >> Winkelmann: YEAH. SO WHAT I CAN SAY, LET ME BACK INTO THAT, IF YOU WOULD JUST BEAR WITH ME. TYPICALLY, THE O.N. STEVENS WATER TREATMENT PLANT, LET'S SAY WE'RE TREATING, ON AVERAGE, 80 MILLION GALLONS A DAY. RAW WATER SALES, WHICH INCLUDES MATHIS AND BEEVILLE, THAT'S ABOUT 25 MILLION GALLONS A DAY. WHAT WE DO KNOW IS OF THAT TOTAL, YOU KNOW, LARGE-VOLUME USERS ARE USING MORE THAN HALF OF THAT. >> Cantu: THIS IS SCARY. I WAS JUST WONDERING. SO YOU HAVE THAT REPORT ABOUT THAT PERCENTAGE NEXT WEEK, PETER? >> Zanoni: YEAH. EITHER NEXT WEEK OR THE WEEK AFTER. YEAH. WE'RE WORKING ON IT. WE'RE USING OUR CONSULTANT AS WELL AND THEY'RE GOING TO HELP US. YEAH. >> Winkelmann: ABSOLUTELY. THE PERCENTAGE OF THE RESERVOIRS RIGHT COUNCILMAN? >> Cantu: UH-HUH. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILWOMAN PAXSON. >> Paxson: THANK YOU. I WAS GOING TO ASK REALLY QUICKLY, I KNOW THAT I KNOW THAT I KNOW YOUR TEAM IS WORKING AROUND THE CLOCK. PETER, YOURSELF AND YOUR STAFF AS WELL. SO AT THE RISK OF THINKING THAT I CONTINUE TO BEAT THE SAME TOPIC, I REALLY DO THINK THAT IT WOULD BE AN INCREDIBLY HIGH VALUE IF WE COULD INCLUDE, IN OUR WATER DASHBOARD -- I KNOW WE'VE GOT THESE CHARTS. BUT SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE MORE LINEAR WHERE IT'S A STRAIGHT BAR THAT SAYS THIS IS OUR TOTAL GOAL AND HERE'S THE PLAN. THE WELLS, THE EAST, WEST, THE ED RACHAL, EVANGELINE IN ONE SIMPLE BAR. NOT NECESSARILY THE FORECAST WITH DATES BUT SOMETHING THAT'S MORE A SNAPSHOT OF TOTAL WATER THAT WE ARE SEEKING AND WHAT THE PLAN IS TO FILL THAT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >> Zanoni: YEAH. WE CAN TRY SOMETHING LIKE THAT, COUNCILWOMAN. ALSO, WE TALKED ABOUT IT YOU AND I. BUT WE NEED TO SHOW THE DASHBOARD WITH WATER COMING ON. IT'S ONLY WHEN THE WATER COMES ON DO WE ADD IT. WE SHOULD SHOW IT, THE PLAN WHEN WATER IS COMING ON. WE'LL DO THAT, PLUS WE'LL ALSO DO THE SIMPLE BAR TYPE THING. >> Paxson: PRECISELY, I THINK THIS CONVERSATION LOOKING AT THE EASTERN LAKES FOR APRIL AND TALKING ABOUT ALL OF THE WELLS AND THINGS COMING ON IN MAY, DEMONSTRATING THAT WE HAVE A PLAN TO CLOSE THAT GAP. >> Zanoni: YEAH. I WOULD SAY THAT -- SOMEBODY WAS TALKING TO ME EARLIER AT THE BREAK. THIS COUNCIL HAS DONE A LOT. I DON'T THINK WITH WE REALIZE HOW MUCH YOU ALL HAVE DONE IN ONE YEAR. THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO SHOW. WE NEED TO SHOW THE 17 MILLION. WE NEED TO SHOW THE EVANGELINE COMING ON. WE NEED TO SHOW NOW THE NEW EXTENSION OF THE WESTERN WELLFIELD. THE REUSE. THE GOOD NEWS IS THIS COUNCIL'S VOTED ON EVERY POSSIBLE PROJECT AND THE INNER HARBOR DESAL IS SOON TO COME. NOW WE HAVE TO BRING THE WATER ON. THERE'S ONLY TWO MORE BIG VOTES. NEXT WEEK AND THE WEEK AFTER AND THEN IT'S PRODUCTION TIME, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF EVANGELINE WITH A SLIGHT DELAY. SO WE NEED TO SHOW THAT SO THE COMMUNITY CAN UNDERSTAND. SO WE'LL WORK ON THAT. >> Paxson: MAYBE -- AND THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS AND THANK YOU TO THE TEAM. BECAUSE Y'ALL HAVE BEEN IN THE TRENCHES REALLY. BUT MAYBE WE CAN SHOW THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT. TWO, THIS IS OUR SUMMER '26. THIS IS OUR NOVEMBER '26 AND OUR SUMMER '27. JUST FOUR POINTS. THIS IS THE PLAN. THEY CAN BE CHANGED BUT I THINK IT WOULD MAKE IT A LOT MORE CLEAR. >> Zanoni: I AGREE. WE'LL START WORKING ON THAT. >> Paxson: OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> Mayor Guajardo: ACTUALLY, YOU'RE WORKING ON THAT. WE JUST HAD THIS SAME CONVERSATION YESTERDAY ABOUT THE DIFFERENT BOXES, SO TO SPEAK, RIGHT? TO MAKE IT CLEAR FOR OUR RESIDENTS. AND TRANSPARENT. >> Winkelmann: YES. WE ABSOLUTELY WANT TO SHOW ALL OF THE WORK. AND I'M JUST GOING TO BRING IT UP AGAIN. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK TO DIVERSIFY THE WATER SUPPLY. IT'S GOING FROM SURFACE WATER TO ADDING GROUNDWATER TO REUSE. AND THEN WITH SEAWATER COMING UP IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS. ALL OF THOSE ARE CRITICAL. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN SCOTT. >> Scott: I ZONED OUT. FORMOSA DOESN'T HELP US. IF YOU LOSE 10% FROM LAKE TEXANA CAN YOU DRAW FROM OUR PURCHASE OF THE WATER -- DID YOU SAY THAT? >> Winkelmann: SO FORMOSA WOULD GET CURTAILED. AS WE RUN OUT OF OUR CONTRACTUAL WATER WITH LNRA, WE WOULD USE UP OUR FORMOSA WATER, WHICH WE ARE PROJECTED TO DO. THE ONE THING THAT HAS ME CONCERNED IS BECAUSE OF THE STATUS OF LAKE TEXANA, IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD FOR INTERRUPTIBLE WATER THIS YEAR. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T GET ALL OF IT LAST YEAR. INTERRUPTIBLE WATER IS A SORT OF ADD-ON WATER THAT WE GET, IF IT'S AVAILABLE. THINGS AREN'T LOOKING PROMISING FOR THAT. >> Scott: DID WE GET IT LAST YEAR? WE DID GET IT. >> Winkelmann: WE DIDN'T GET ALL OF IT BUT WE GOT PART OF IT. WE GOT 75% AND WE USED IT ALL. I GUESS I'M TRYING TO SAY, SOBERING INFORMATION WITH SOME GOOD INFORMATION. THE LAKE TEXANA WATERSHED, HISTORICALLY THEY GET RAIN IN MARCH. SO WE'RE ANXIOUSLY WATCHING THAT VERY CLOSELY. >> Scott: THE LAST COMMENT, PETER I MIGHT HAVE, IF WE DO THIS NEW TABLE IS SOMEWHERE IN THERE TO LIST THE HURDLES YET TO COME. BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO WALK BACK -- AND I THINK WE ALL THOUGHT THE LAGUNA PROJECT WAS GOING TO BE FASTER. WE THOUGHT IT WAS FURTHER ALONG THAN IT WAS AND THINGS HAPPEN. SO I THINK IF WE CAN LIST THE HURDLES YET TO COME, SUCH THAT IF SOMETHING HAPPENS IN THOSE HURDLES, WE CAN COMMUNICATE TO THE PUBLIC, HEY, WE TOLD YOU. NONE OF THIS IS A DONE DEAL. WE STILL HAVE SOME HURDLES. >> Zanoni: YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT. I THINK YOU MAY HAVE SOME OF THAT IN THE WEEKLY MEMO BUT WE CAN MAKE SURE WE HAVE IT IN THERE. >> Winkelmann: YEAH, THERE'S COMMENTS IN THE WEEKLY MEMO ABOUT THE NEED FOR A BED AND BANKS PERMIT OR THE NEED OF DRILLING PERMITS. AND THAT'S IMPORTANT TO QUALIFY. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILWOMAN CAMPOS. >> Campos: I WANT TO CONTINUE TO REEMPHASIZE WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER PAXSON WAS SAYING ABOUT THE DRAWING OF THE WATER. OKAY. WE'RE GOING DOWN ON THE CHOKE CANYON OR WESTERN RESERVOIR. BUT, AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE ALSO COMING, YOU KNOW, UP WITH THE OTHER PROJECTS. TO THAT LINE, KEEPING IT SIMPLE. YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT ALL THESE DIFFERENT PROJECTS ON ANOTHER PAGE BUT AT LEAST YOU JUST WANT TO SEE THE WATER. WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE MEETING DEMAND. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE THE WATER IS COMING FROM BUT IT'S COMING AND IT'S GOING TO MEET DEMAND. BECAUSE YOU KEEP SAYING SEEING THIS BUT THEY'RE NOT SEEING THE OTHER PART BUT WE'RE ACTUALLY RECEIVING IT. DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? >> Winkelmann: I THINK SO. YEAH, EVERYONE IS SORT OF TALKING -- >> Campos: YEAH, SORT OF THE SAME THING. THE OTHER IS, I GUESS, WE CAN'T CHANGE, RIGHT, HOW OUR AREA -- WHAT IS IT CALLED? THE REGION IS SHOWING UP. LIKE RIGHT NOW WE ARE IN STAGE 3. BUT WE ARE STILL ACCUMULATING OR BEING ABLE TO GET, YOU KNOW, OUR WATER PROJECTS IN LINE SLOWLY BUT SURELY. BUT WE ARE STILL GOING TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE ONLY TO THAT CHOKE CANYON. LIKE, WE CANNOT GET OUT OF DROUGHT UNTIL THAT RESERVOIR IS FILLED. IS THAT CORRECT? LIKE EVEN IF WE HAVE ALL OF THIS EXTRA -- NOT EXTRA WATER. BUT WE'RE MEETING DEMAND, ACCORDING TO OUR REGION, WE'RE STILL IN A DROUGHT. EVEN THOUGH WE'RE MEETING DEMAND. DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? >> Zanoni: WE TALKED ABOUT THE WATERING RESTRICTIONS. >> Campos: RIGHT. >> Zanoni: YEAH. THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO BRING BACK BECAUSE AS WE BRING ON DIVERSIFICATION, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT WE SHOULDN'T RELY ON JUST THE TWO WESTERN RESERVOIRS, WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN WATER. >> Campos: IT'S NOT SO MUCH YOU CAN WATER. I MEAN, I'VE BEEN -- I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THAT'S EVER -- NOT EVER BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A LONG TIME BEFORE THAT HAPPENS. BUT I JUST WANT TO REASSURE THE PEOPLE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE DRINKING WATER. WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO WASH OUR CARS. DO THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO. BUT I WAS INTRODUCED OR REMINDED ABOUT THIS, HOW WE SHOULD LOOK AT THINGS, WHICH IS WATER OUR TREES. WHAT DID I SAY? >> Zanoni: VEGETABLE GARDENS. >> Campos: JUST LET GO OF THE LAWN AND WATER THE TREES. THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE EVER GOING TO GO BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS, WHICH IS JUST BEING ABLE TO WATER THE LAWNS WHEN WE CAN. I DON'T KNOW. BUT I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT HAVING CONSUMPTION. LIKE ACTUALLY WATER FOR LIVING AND BATHING AND THAT KIND OF THING AND GROWING OUR VEGETABLES AND JUST BEING ABLE TO SURVIVE. SO AGAIN YEAH. IT WOULD BE NICER IF WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE, AGAIN, THAT KIND OF GRAPH. THANKS. >> Mayor Guajardo: NICK, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. THE UPDATE'S VERY GOOD. WE APPRECIATE YOU AND YOUR TEAM. AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING. I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THAT TABLE, JUST FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW EXACTLY WHERE WE ARE. JUST KEEP IT SIMPLE. I'M NOT CRAZY ABOUT ASTERISKS BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T GO AND LOOK. WE NEED TO LITERALLY PUT -- I WOULDN'T DO ANY CHANGES TO THIS UNTIL WE KNOW WHERE THE STANDINGS ARE. BECAUSE IF THEY COME BACK AND SAY SOMEBODY HAS STANDING, THAT JUST PUT THAT PROJECT IN A DIFFERENT BOX. IF THEY DON'T -- AND THIS IS A LIVING DOCUMENT, IF YOU WILL. BUT IT HAS TO BE VERY CLEAR. NO ASTERISKS OR ANY OF THAT. JUST WHAT THE PROJECT IS, HOW MANY MGD AND WHEN IT IS TO BE DELIVERED, AS FAR AS WE KNOW. THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE IT. >> Campos: [OFF MIC] >> Mayor Guajardo: YEAH. THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS, THIS MEETING IS NOW ADJOURNED. [MEETING ADJOURNED]