hi there how you feeling much better good wow nerves right okay 516 we're GNA call the deer we're going to call the meeting order for the workshop council member ju here council member nordby here council member Cole here council member is absent and mayor mongi here thank you I a to adopt the agenda please so move so move council member Cole second council member one all those in favor say hi hi hi thank you topic all you oh we got two topics tonight May uh first one up this school resource officer just to give an update we have a hello everyone um yeah just a a recap I'm sure you've seen it uh on the news U Back in uh August on the 29th I sent a letter to city manager frandle recommending that we pause the SRO contract with 622 due to the recent amendments in Minnesota statute 121a with that statute development was how it passed without any stakeholder involement from the community law enforcement or Educators took a little while few days after it was actually enacted um they kind of started seeing what the language actually said and that led to lot of additional conversations uh since then calling for clarity and I'm still hopeful for the the ultimate uh solution through additional legislative action to provide just concrete clarification on the whole topic uh that on September 20th the Minnesota attorney general released an opinion that is legally binding guys did you get all of the attachments and over just the highlights of of each one so that's second opinion that supplemental opinion from the General on 20th was released so pursuant to Minnesota statute section 807 U deeming that opinion by the Attorney General decisive until the question involved shall be decided otherwise by a court and therefore it may be relied upon from that opinion we looking for and what we got was the amendment 121a does not limit the types of reasonable force that may be used by School staff and agents to prev arm or death it also does not limit the types of reasonable Force may be used by public officers to carry out their lawful duties as described in Minnesota statutes section 6096 subdivision 1 test for reasonable Force remains unchanged and is highly fact specific so uh any officer SRO agent under School working under contract back to having the lens of 60906 applied to any you all calling for and and hope action but we through a attorney um additionally in that letter uh the Attorney General clarifies all peace officers including those who are sro's or otherwise agents of a school district may use Force as reasonably necessary to carry out official duties including but not limited to making arrest and enforcing orders of the Court um and just uh giving that more weight just that section 8.07 provides that on all School matters the Attorney General's opinions like this one are decisive and supreme court has also confirm that opinion overruled by court so a couple other uh folks waigh in the league of Minnesota City so this would be regarding our protection from civil liability ensure they released an opinion stating that school resource officers and officers contracted to work in a school district they use reasonable reasonably necessary Force toward students under the circumstances enumerated in Minnesota statute 60906 so pointing back to the same uh eth for statute that applies to all police officers further in their opinion offered the net practical effect is that sros and contracted officers may use reasonable Force toward students to carry out a duty that exists by virtue of law but may not use Force to enforce a school rule or policy uh further from the league um they pointed to the September attorney general opinion saying that it provides guidance that can be reli relied upon pending further developments in the court section 807 which says attorney general and make these opinions and they are legally binding they did offer that or they did suggest that any agency wanting additional information should contact their attorneys to determine um if they will seek to challenge the September attorney general opinion in court so we reached out to Ramsey County Attorney John Choy letter from Ramsey County attorney uh that he sent it out to all law enforcement agencies in in Ramsey County that letter said I agree with attorney general Ellison that on all School matters attorney general opinions like the opinion letter and supplemental opinion letter are decisive and legally binding on our office until overruled by a court of competent jurisdiction from choy's letter says to be clear my position is based exclusively on the explicit language of Minnesota statute section section 8.07 giving this authority to the attorney general and the well settled case law interpreting that statutory authority issue further from from Joy issues addressed inol the opinion letter and supplemental opinion letter affect me as an elector County officer of which I'm legally bound to follow absent a contrary decision by Court of competent jurisdiction we will follow the legal analysis and conclusions contained in those we have our County attorney saying all the Attorney General's opinion um because that hasn't happened in that in the news is backing uh the post board also weighed in they concur with the supplemental opinion from the attorney general good from uh licensing protection um Avenue for any officer working in the school and almost most importantly I've been constant communication with our current juvenile investigator uh likely soon to be SRO again Joe Allen every single step along the way I've been sharing information with him having a lot of conversations because I wanted to make sure he was comfortable with us getting back under contract and him working in the school contract with everything going on I didn't want Joe to not be comfortable under contract oh absolutely is comfortable he assured me of that good job in there as a juen investigator and and resource officer also had a lot of conversations with the school district throughout this whole thing uh they're supportive of they understood why you know we were asking Clarity throughout the whole thing but they are also looking forward to getting back under contract with us uh I do think that legislative Corrections are still needed in that statute to get that concrete fixed and and go about it the right way and have conversations with everybody that should have been there in ask what what everybody agrees is Mak sense and is is stute so promise to do that within the first couple weeks questions so of that is all through happy to feel any questions it's been a long several weeks and couple months of s stuff but if we sign the contract and something happens later that either makes you or Joe uncomfortable um what happens um like we wouldn't want to be back in the cont yeah if if for some reason the legal opinion changes that makes either you or Joe uncomfortable so we'd like to take a step back in signing the contract um we we can get out of the contract I think there's language in there that allows us to out of the contract okay if something do I just want to make sure you you know we have your back and if something changes we're not backing into the corner by any stretch I appreciate that thank you you're making the news the kids making the news yeah my kids are background um I I I too want to thank thank you um there's you never know what the straight story is when the primary information you're getting is coming from the news so thank you for for showing up tonight and then walking us through it because you touched on my two things it was on the consent agenda so I made the Assumption all we comfortable with it but I want to make sure Joe is comfortable and you were comfortable so I think you got the backing of you know you got the backing of us to make sure that you know we've got your back thank you and I appreciate you know maintaining that relationship with this yeah we're ready yeah we work uh Prett seamlessly with actually just had a meeting with trying to uh problems together so yeah it's good thank you all right appreciate it yeah you thank you thank you all right next up we jumping into the 2024 Enterprise fund we'll have Mr winck our finance director take us thought in reminder for everybody out there and in here we still don't have our normal audio so we'll try to speak up as much as we can so everybody in here can hear us along with uh people at home so sorry about that but uh our boards on life support they don't seem to be getting it back to us having a little problem with my leg today I li a little bit Jenny kick you too that's why she moved it's a tough room it is it's there should be a lot more gold stars on your laptop wait a minute I'm not comfortable now start off tonight so uh we're gonna tonight we're talking about our our Enterprise fund we have six of them and Enterprise fund is basically where the majority of your Revenue comes from the exterior in other words from our residence so um what you'll see here that we have six we have the water fund uh Wastewater fund electric surface water solid waste and and the fiber optic and uh for the 2024 right now for the water fund we have re revenues estimated about 2.2 million are budgeted at about 1.5 uh balances is increase about $6 the significant changes our charges for services increased 91 uh $992,000 as compared to 203 slight increase in estimated usage of staying the same as Wastewater fund we've got revenues of about 2.6 million budgets about 2.6 million unbalance increase of about $36,000 this one will require a 4% increase in our rates significant change is decrease in the plan compared to electric fond um revenues of uh just under $12 million budget of just under $13 million this would be a decrease in the fund balance of about $1.1 million the significant change is this is where what's being proposed ising out of the electric uh would not change surface water fund uh revenues of approximately a million dollars budget 50,000 fund balance increase one would require a significant PL 100 Solid Waste revenues are estimated at about a million dollars uh that's a fund balance decrease of $104,000 and changes contract, part of uh what we're seeing on there is that we're under contract till next year with their current um provider um they're entitled to a 3% increase on an annual basis but bigger driving factor is uh the Ramsey energy um 17.5% increase in their then we have the fiber optic fonds changes um fiber optics this is the that we have a negative balance negative cash it'll take us another 20 and any questions on a high level before I uh invite up a couple of very distinguished uh department heads their Enterprise funds and that's kind of the high level overview um they will kind of talk about each one of their Enterprise fund um some highlights and then turn it over if you have any questions the first um department head is have a question on the Fiber One you said 20 years to make up for it at this rate yeah that's how many years have we had the fiber I'm not 100% sure you we're still that far out for making money what paid off but has to pay for itself and so as a fund itself it shows a negative fund balance what we do on the financial statements we shouldn't have a negative fund balance there is an internal cash loan that is given from the electric fund to cover the $2 million cash deficit it actually on a financial St look it breaks even zero but it has a loan there for over a decade years before actually has positive fund balance at the rate there this and there's a couple of others that are decisions that have been made in the past that just for the emphasis so much and we'll have a special meeting Monday uh to F Improvement plan and you can see how it does have a significant impact on some of budgets that's where you know for you to decide what's in what's out can have a sign impact rates that we pass on to cers and if you're in agreement with what's being presented to you in the CIP it also means what we've already kind of disc and we have in the preliminary you have that 2% all right with that John do you want to come up and uh kind of go through the and I'll of pull up say again as loud as you can talk please you got it thank you the only one has a big mouth here is the mayor I think so Letter Buck all right um we're all set for me sure we're we're ready I'll pull up [Music] your on page 28 begin the electric John actually budgets his um Electric in four different divisions inside here you're seeing just one total so it adds up everything that's alike item or underground overhead and substation for Illustrated purposes here in the budget we show it just all yeah um just to start off U thanks for having me um the I just wanted to start off with the the goal of our of our department and that's just to by safe and reliable power to all the residents in North St Paul and then uh the surrounding communities that we Supply ourselves on providing rapid response times and uh typically limit power outages to under an hour things we do to ensure this um liability is uh we upgrade our our infrastructure where we convert overhead lines to underground old under underground lines with new ones and we also install new underground in new construction zone and then we also maintain our current system to try and prevent Dres and damage some of the things that uh kind of highlighted 2023 for us was Lake I don't if you notice there we added a bunch of lighting up there downtown liting increase the Lily construction uh major project we're build uh bearing a main feeder 104 in town a good section of it all these things kind of come together to uh establish you know the main projects that we want to go for for the the coming years 2024 we have some things on the horizon uh potential development for the 17th and Delaware area uh we have that would have to be buried there there's uh the shipsky um asphalt plant Loop the primary there to try and increase the reliability in the area and then there's a an area along Jennifer Lane and Ariel uh that has cable from mid 80s that should some of the things you can note here uh statistics just in 2022 in the we head to underground all of our construction uh it was just kind of a transitional year for us but you can see that in 2023 we started to pick back up with old underground wire and you can see in the bottom as well that uh there is no projected at this time no projected rate increase presidential rates power agency kind of dictates that and as of now they don't have project an increase but they don't really give us a solid answer till you're usually close some of the financial impacts here um to the uh Personnel budget decreasing uh that was simply because we had an extra position on our crew uh prepping for retirement right now we're fully staffed um both linemen maybe a little higher Apprentice to journeyman ratio than we would like but journeyman and they're really good at training these guys so you guys for the jobs that were completing that uh there's a substantial increase in the supply expense budget uh the 211,000 that's combining the materials for overhead and underground main driving factors for that would be um The increased cost to those materials an example I could give you would be our residential padmount Transformers 25 KVA transformer supplies power about seven maybe 10 on the high-end houses 2001 we could buy one of those Transformers for about $2,000 just recently we purchased six 25 KVA Transformers and they $5,000 a piece that's the lowest B we could find major uh Distributors out there that were charging anywhere from $6,500 8,000 to go along with that as well um seeing very long lead times part of the increase in the budget is to try and our stock in the yard so that we don't have to deal with those lead times as much we're seeing anywhere from a year to two years on those P Mount Transformers not just that it's any upgrade our infrastructure requires a lot more um planning anding portion of the budget we put ourselves in another thing you can see here is the um there's a decrease in the contractual contractual service expenses that would have to do uh that's my understanding it has to do with the credit card service trade just paying their bills um credit card charge and the debt payment Debt Service expenses that's uh decreasing as well my understanding as well that the our we've almost paid down almost 25 is all done as I stated there's no um projected rate increase and then part of our major part of our budget going into 24 will be the the transfer of the $1.1 million to Kickstart the street maintenance program along with the U normal annual $300,000 transfer to the general fund to help uh reduce the impact of the general fund Budget on the U residents um we're able to do this because we do have a good balance in our electric fund I think it's also important to note that we do have a good balance um there are there's a reason that we try to keep a good amount of money in that fund and that's just because the event of some sort of catastrophic failure or a severe storm entire town is powered by a single Transformer after that Transformer it would be north of a million dollars to you have means to divert Power Point again in the meantime but cost of that umal the same with um there's four main feeders in town a duck line all the way to the center of town and then they Branch out happen to any one of them feeders we potentially facing large charges to replace them that's why we keep chance of an emergency like that I do feel good about it our Transformer is um 25 years old here some the Transformer the next Bay that belongs to XL is from but they had another one identical it that replace yeah so that kind of just a point I wanted to just a reminder I touch real quick on the um increase in the capital there's a $250,000 that's uh every year is on there for underground infrastructure uh namely the the duct line and you'll see that there's um oh there's the 32,000 for the electrical V Char vehicle charging stations and 432,000 for equipment and vehicles of that it's kind of broken down into the three main things we're looking at generator trailer that we would be splitting with the uh waste water uh backup power um and mostly it provides power for list 50 years old so and pickup that we need to uh upgrade to all a factor trailer that uh is very large and it taxes our other truck have a bucket truck main reason for the bucket truck replacement would be uh we it's figuration on that bucket that's not ideal for jobs that we're trying to complete it does serve a purpose and there are things about it that we would want to keep in order to better U utilize a truck like that we would need a new bucket configuration it would help us extend the life useful life all of our bucket trucks by no not yeah I apologize it would replace that one the truck's from uh 2000 uh about3 years old we just don't want to put ourselves into a similar situation that we're in now we've ordered a replacement for one of our other bucket trucks and going out about two years since it to we should get it this spring though had to limp this truck along to try to get to that so that's the reason for the the larger number there really that's kind of the main points I wanted to to touch on and if there's anything that sticks out to you guys and you want to ask me about oh I no I don't I thought we had already talked what the heck are you doing what's the longevity of the Transformer I mean you have a Exel that's 1967 but what's the I mean it's hard to say uh I mean in a perfect world it's it's fully efficient when you load it down as much as you can I don't think we've overloaded the Transformer any means but I could tell you a definite answer um 50 years yeah that's a lot broad range but that's what would when you say overload um so expand um like a Transformer is designed to be run at like 110% of its capacity to so you lose majority of the losses on that P it's designed to be run hard but there was a a stretch of time when XL was on us that it really worked that Transformer hard probably overloaded it for a stretch of time but we have every three years we have a a company come out and do maintenance on our substation they were actually out two weeks ago and did the top to bottom inspection they drain the oil out of our tap changer which increases and decreases the voltage as demand Rises and lowers um minor things with that that you know there's no concern immediately but maybe the next maintenance round we might have to bur some parts it won't be anything do you defer the maintenance every two years three right now three right now what's recommended to them two to three years yeah um they actually well five is the standard they've recommended since ours is of that age that it's every okay any other questions for John I have a question and I don't know if it should be for John or you Dan um I if we are in a position where we can transfer 1.1 out of the electric um I have been asked and foresee myself getting asked again how how as a resident do you not form the opinion that you're being overcharged um if we can TR take one .1 million out of that account um if you were in my seat how would you guys respond to that well I think it's pretty simple response and yes you've been overcharged through the years I were you know closing no rate increase this year utility company does increase the rate and a budget is prepared it's prepared on the it's not considered a part of that Revenue that we're projecting here today have increasing historically um the El as expend um where it has very conservative not um adding to your fund um but yes I mean fundamentally an overcharge and that's why the recommendation not to pass on all of the um no it's the bottom line to it is um it has been very well managed through tough decision we means we can't start the street project or we would but we Shing enough balance um with increases per and they on comfortable in case there is a toic loss well answer your question the simple is yes there has been over by by you get f it wasn't designed intent the reserve policy um our fund balance Reserve policy um definitely we look at that um the next year's operating budget that you need to main four months worth so budget you know of that so I means you need also need to have some capital one and a half to two so you should be having a fun balance of um I believe if you look payment that was prepared two I think the fund balance was underneath the Six Million however from a cash basis it's much higher why does it look the difference of you know because just Optics that needs $2 million so it does negative balance then there's another um loan that city council has hadon doll a quick that now we're we're starting to get the full amount of tax increment from that from that District um this that being able to pay the electric fund 4% interest so uh in our financial plan that Revenue Ed in reserve oh absolutely yeah yeah yeah what our policy is four months plus your next year's debt payment that's kind of so that I guess that leads to my next question with a capital Improvement request from 25 to 33 um for a 4.5 million um that is need in capital um are we better off rather than a transfer a interde departmental loan rather than the straight up transfer because we're going to need that money um from the year 25 to 33 um again go back to the financial plan that was presented there are some increases that are going to here's the bigger question to do a loan pay the loan back and the answer is you need to raise your Levy right to get back that million dollars plus interest or% order I usually use 5% at 1.6 all 1.5 1. that you're going to end up probably you got an additional one and a half% levy increase and if the city council's you know willing to do that we can't this year but um one way or the other it's it unfortunately it it do it again this 1.1 million transfer is a one time moving on that's where the plan of the 2% increase that's and cover it from that point there is a decision that's out there that as we go through the capital Improvement plan that if it is the desire not to do the transfer we certainly certainly have the right to to not do the street improvements that we have in the CIP for for a interdepartmental loan from a city Enterprise fund to a city general fund do you have to charge interest um I don't think there's anything statutorily that tells us that we have to purge interest I appreciate that on the how much um of North St Paul is buried how much is Ariel for residents um well you're talking about like um the high voltage it's probably 5050 [Music] serves it's 30% or 30% perod 40% on the secondary side so lower voltage Main Line yeah uh well yeah main to the houses or to feed points for the houses present yeah okay yep there um work to get more buried or is aiel still perfect you know I know that we have a lot of trees in North St Paul a lot of branches and yeah different things like that has there been to work to try to get more buried for residents or is it kind of the way it is aial is aerial it's going to stay aial it's so when it comes to like a high voltage line that's our goal every year is to [Music] bury we look at different areas this overhead underground so every year we do projects like that it comes to residential services and Mainline service wire difficult because from a place of not only the the cost for us to bury those lines but also a house service has a meter that needs to accept our underground wires and you're either charging the residents for their every service where each service needs to be paid by a resident and then they have to hire an electrician to do the inside work to upgrade their meter box and their panel or do you eat it as utility and it's a price so the box in the house is could be different if it's burial or uh yes it all so there's many old meter boxes on the system that are they're no bigger than the meter hardly we can't run underground wire into those run every service we run underground is set for 200 amp wire for it's pretty large we require a 200 amp meter box on the house to install ERS don't have to have a 200 amp service panel but it does cost money to get 200 amp now there's whole code out there to have bypass in the meter box and a a disconnect just I was asked that you know aial is going to still be or people were planning on getting things more buried to Residents so yeah we slowly pick away at it people want Services we'll do them I okay thanks quite a few one more if you don't mind um depending on what happens later today and I know no one knows what the outcome of it is we are going to be getting a presentation about the 120 Corridor um the the lines on the west side of 120 or are those in North St Paul line and will this project potentially have great or little to no impact on you uh the ones on the west side are St Paul and there's actually some on the east side too not the main ones that run north south but yeah I mean there's I couldn't put a number on it but uh it would all depend on how Corridor shapes out if was a walking trail that would potentially then there's lighting along the walking and this will be kind of my initial big project like that is funding like that on a project like that is there assistance you know I mean I don't know certain because this would be a a a project funded by the county correct and I don't know a lot about the state okay B's right there everybody together um I see on your um memo that um you have evv charger on there um I think there's quite a a bit of Grants out for that um right now so i p a lot um for Ev Chargers so might be able to recoup some yeah um I haven't really been involved in the the selection of those yet question to to both of you um I don't know if city council is aware there is a certain percentage of things has to be spent in energy conservation type of method so this EV station would count for towards that Grand and there' have to be somewhere else that that conservation I don't know money can be spent for that because you're not saving any energy necessarily by plugging the vehicle in but um and if it doesn't qualify then yeah then a gr oh yeah there's um all both phases of the 7th half reconstruction [Music] there's will be infrastructure upgrades rather than not having we won't have to essentially dig up again all good John thanks thank you thank you John come on down Mr Public Works director Ron raie that's a long wait you guys are icing me out no there you we're done we're done those in fav R Ron is gonna cover the water F the waste water F and the surface water F yes so um thanks for having me um any questions that you guys have along the way here I got a lot of stuff to go over I'll try to make it quick what do we got till 6:30 25 625 you only have five minutes I only got five minutes all right water water um obviously our main goal provide safe and reliable Water Service to City of N St Paul what's great about N St Paul we don't cornate or any of our water which were one of like a couple cities in Nur St Paul that are left with that so anytime we do a street project or anything like that we're super careful on what we do and make sure the contractors are super careful so we don't have to go to something like that if we had to coronate our wells or coronate our water it' be kind of a big deal so and add an expense um uh a lot of the stuff that or a lot of the money or our budget here um for what we do for maintaining our system um we we do well rehabs on on our water wells there that goes off kind how much they're pumped or how much you use them um they're usually every five to seven years um where the whole well gets pulled out um the wells in our St Paul are roughly about 450 feet deep um we have five Wells well houses in our St Paul two water towers um in the CIP when we start talking about that we will next week um but there's a kind of plans in the future for additional or not an additional one to replace a water tower we just need some more capacity um not because increased people but it's we've kind of been under um for fire and there's a whole formula that goes with the storage and we're under capacity for that storage um the tank on the north side of town would be is a 300,000 gallon tank that would be get replaced with a 750,000 gallon tank um it it's been this way for a long long time um it's just something that we have budgeted for we're looking for in the future that that we may um but again we can talk about that um in the CIP um our well buildings a lot of the well buildings um have not been rehabbed or anything done actually with the building so that we put some extra money in the budget for that um to do kind of each year and we're not doing major tear Downs of the buildings it's more you know just kind of gusting them up you know cleaning them up um just to make them you know look nice um fire hydrant repairs uh fire hydrants in town we have a lot of really old fire hydrants a lot of fire hydrants that we open up that spray all over the place there some Iowa fire hydrants the cost of fire hydrants um have has you know doubled um just in the past few years so uh just the cost of a fire hydrant in Parts is about $6,500 it used to be about $3,000 um and then if if if we can install them or replace them we try to do that um but having a contractor do that it's probably another $6,000 to have one of those hydrant put in so um with the budget we have with the water we got to kind of work with within that but there's a lot of things that are very expensive you know for the Water Service part of it uh water man breaks um we have actually a line item now that or we put it in the CIP right d for water main I think for water main brakes I wanted to kind of spe or I wanted it line item out because if we have like a watermain break on a County Road believe with had one a couple years ago and it was in the intersection of of South and mcnight I think the whole thing that the the loops for the electric that we had to take out the repairs in the road we have to concrete the road in the winter and then come back tear it back out and bring it back this spec it ended up being like a $35,000 repair by the time it was all done and for like in one of our line items for just water repairs we have like $40,000 for the whole year so a water man brake can and we fix our own water man brakes we don't contract that out U we checked into that before and one of the biggest thing is the timing of when they could get out to do it and the other thing the expense of it to do I mean it's about an average of $20,000 20 to $25,000 to have a water man break repaired and it could be 24 to 48 hours before they could get out so we do repair all of our own water main brakes we have our you know the equipment that something so we can take care of that and get residents you know back in Water Service as quickly as we can um water meters and the radios that we have um they were installed about 14 years ago we switched everything over from the old meters to a new electronic meter and the electronic reading um those meters have a 20-year life to them there's a battery in them and the radio so we're in again we'll be talking about this in the CIP but that's going to be something that we're going to have to go through and replace all the meters in town um over a three to four year period there's I think $4500 or 40 4500 residents or hookups that we have um for them um each setup right now is probably $ 350 $400 so you can kind of do the math on that what that will be and then to go in and replace these meters but that's something that uming for in the viip um manhole structures um there uh the manhole structures the castings are metal we put down a lot of salt in that well I shouldn't say we put down we put down the minimum salt we can to make things safe but it's a double-edged sword because we want to make the road safe for everyone but that does wreck our infrastructure um the catch BAS their manhole structures the gr that these were put together with um a lot of manhole structures that we have were built with bricks brick and mortar over the years all eats mortar like crazy so you can open up any any manhole that we have and there's not in good shape so again with the budget that we have to work with in um instead of digging a lot of these up digging the whole thing up um there's some companies out there that rebuild them from the inside they kind of make a form pour concrete around it and you know it's uh maybe a $2500 repair versus a 12,000 12 to1 15,000 repair but there's a lot of that stuff in the water side of things now there's manholes for water there's manholes for uh sanitary sewer and there's manholes for storm sewer so in each one of these budgets that's kind of that's across the board and all those it's uh you know one of those has many many of those manholes um lead service line inventory uh it's a mandate from the state that's got to be done which every resident or every service in town we have to try to find out whether it's there's a there's a lead service we don't have great records of that from over the years Um this can be accomplished in a couple ways uh scratch tasks um there there's some water tests that they don't work really well but this has got to be done by October I think 16th of of 24 so we're working with um WSB engineering firm with coming up with a plan because we have to try to inventory all those the hard part about it is it has to be on the um it's got to be on the the residents in North St Paul own their whole service you have a curb stop in your yard or a water shut off in your yard so it could be different from the water service out to the main from the water and then from the water service to going into your house it can be two different things but to try to and to try to find out what is on the side going from the curb stop to the main um they even talking about having to excavate to try to find out what those are obviously this won't get done in a year but we have to we know or we don't know kind of come up with a list and this is Statewide that everyone's got to do this but again that's something that is coming up that we have to work on um before um I know I'm kind of playing through this quick any questions so far or any anyone has any questions on any um I know there's an increase in contractual service this is for rebuilding some manholes we're trying to you know replace so many each year um to have a contract work on those to help us out we just don't have the capacity we do fix um some we we take some a few weeks out of the year and Senator guys out sen Cruz out doing that um but just to try to stay on top of those because when we have bricks falling in they fall down into our seers and um going through and you know trying to stay on top of that as best we can um yeah that's kind of a quick thing on water any questions okay uh waste water um I guess Wastewater um the big the biggest thing with Wastewater that we um work on each year is try water INF infiltration into our into our sanary sewer lines um that is by replacing uh structures castings they have sealed Lids now that they put in that they never had years before they used to have lids with even holes in them for the pick there' be vented ones but any rain that goes down gets in your sanitary sewer system we pay for that water exiting Town um there's a big meter our all of our our sewage flows down to um at Council so we have a big meter that exit exit town and that meter that's how we get build for our sewage for the for the year um I believe it's about roughly one a little over a million dollars to get rid of that so anytime um that we when we have a street project or a road project you know everything in Spectre you have to put in these Lids that there's basically rubber gas gun it just helps with that that ini or that infiltration of that um sanitary uh the sewer cleaning and televising our policy for the city is we get through the city once or once every three years we're through the whole city so we're on a three-year rotation for that we that is our policy so if there's a sewer backup in someone's home the insurance companies they call us we give them all the information they want to know the date we were out there the last time we were out there cleaning it what we use to clean it what you know all the information we can and because we can't we can't prevent what get gets put down in that that sewer and you can't believe what gets put down the sewer but um we just we we stick with our policy is something that we we are very diligent about making sure that um these lines get cleaned um at once every three years for sure uh we have a we've been hired we hired a company hydroc clean the last couple of years that that come in they are helping us doing some cleaning and televising everything that we that we have um this televising it shows us this helps us for future projects if we're coming up to a road project or if we're going to do a Street Maintenance overlay project uh we might have an opportunity to go in there and say hey this sewer is in good shape there's not a lot of humps or ups and downs in it and we can have it that sewer lined without digging that up and that sewer gets lined and it's like a brand new sewer um and a lot of the problems that we have are Roots going in the sewer um sewer pip P back in the day they're clay pipe um there're three- foot sections they just got put together stuck together there was no real you know steal on there and rots get in there and that's you know kind of the number one problem for um sewer backups um also we have four four lift stations in town um lift station basically is a lower part of town that um where all the main sanitary sh lines are higher than that area so there's a lift station where a certain neighborhood will flow into that and then it's just a big catch Basin and once it gets to a certain height then it gets pumped up and pumped out into the the whole system in town is gravity fed our system is gravity Fed so everything is sloped out to where it runs out so there's four areas in town that have lift stations that so we can accommodate these lower areas um these lift stations obviously uh if they stop working for any reason you know we could be in danger of a neighborhood having sewer backup so this is hooked to a skaus system which we monitor which monitors our wells that pump which monitors those lift stations um so we have maintenance that's done on that we're in the process right now of kind of upgrading some of the software and the skate of stuff on there so we can um really monitor these um a lot closer in the 15 16 years I've been here you know we used to go out there's a red light on them if there's something wrong that would be flashing you'd go in there open the doors try to figure out what was wrong but someone would have to call and say hey this is uh flashing we'd have guys come in on the weekends to go through and check these make sure everything was working but with these uh ska systems that we have now we can do it guys can do it out right off their phone every one of the guys on the crew um has it on their phone there's a calling list that goes Randy or myself Randy and then it goes down the list and it goes to our call center that calls us so we get emailed we get text we get called we get what whatever it might be so um the skat system keeping that thing up and current and running is super important to to assure that you know we minimize any backups that anyone has or people have water or if a well stops working or anything like that um yep yes for sanitary sewer that's kind of the main things we do with that any questions on that am I reallying too fast no you're doing Gooding great do such a good job it's all flowing good that was that that was good those dad jokes huh totally now on to surface water surface water um surface water um we work with our engineering service to keep compliant with our ms4 permitting um elicit discharges people dumping oil down storm sewers you know it's the salt's going down the storm sewers again it's a double-edged sword you know all the salt we put down into Mountain going down the storm STS each way at storm STS um but now the big thing with storm water stuff right now is when we do a road project they have these formula it's way over my head it's all engineering stuff but they you have to collect a lot of this rain water that comes off the road and you'll see a lot of the the rain Gardens they talk about um these ponds they put in and what those things ultimately do is they filter all the a lot of the bad stuff off before it hits our sanitary or St sewers and goes into our ponds so when you do a road project like one of the Seventh Avenue Road projects they end up we end up buying a house tearing it down putting the storm pond in and that was all per their calculations that you have to do for amount of Road surface you're replacing and doing but in these ponds um they plant certain plants that go around these things and those have to be maintained and years ago we would the Public Works would try to go maintain these these would get overgrown we didn't know what plants are what they might plant, 1500 plants or 1,200 plants myself included go out there and be like all right let's pull all this stuff out we got can't have this and can't have that and we probably pulled out 75% of the good stuff and left the weeds because we don't know what the heck is what so anyway we have hired a company over the years because all the ponds each year that goes on each road project that goes on we have more ponds to maintain so there's a company that does this they Prairie restoration they come come in by Silver Lake all these biofiltration PL ponds that go in and they get maintained properly this year was the first year they've been doing it over the years they usually do it when a new project goes in because it needs to be maintained for like two years per the project but we just have those on that's an there's an something that we add this is a $20,000 um per pound vegetation management that we added so they get maintained properly a lot of these have you can't equipment in them because a lot of the ponds they dry out or they drain out the bottom there's uh drain tile and stuff in them so the ponds end up being dry ponds at the end of the day so there's a lot going on or a lot to them with that um street sweeping um The Watershed District wants us to sweep more and more and more they want us to get out and get get stuff you know swept up is best you know as often as we can we the city Nur Paul we do a really good job of it a lot of cities they get out you know two or three times a year we on average are out five to seven times a year sweeping the the big cost with this stuff is getting rid of your street sweepings it's really hard to to to get rid of your sweet Street sweepings we actually haul our stuff tomorrow um I probably shouldn't be saying this to other cities yeah but we save um about $1,000 a load by hauling it to there um in time if we haul it over here out to Burnsville would be our closest spot it's like $1,200 we get rid of it for like $230 a load a little drive but it's you know getting rid of it so street sweeping is a big thing with you know the storm water stuff um again catch basins we we you know we could we could have our whole crew all year just work on catch Bas and rebuilding because you know they metal structures with concrete again all the salt runs down them um so yeah that's kind of a quick overview of that any questions for Ron yeah start over yeah that first point an excellent job you got no questions thank you no there did it we're thoroughly confused you pick we had two other funds to go over solid waste and fiber optics we kind of cover them um begin in the very beginning of the open open all open opening um solid waste and fiberoptics will have no increase in the rate uh solid waste a couple of the drivers the 3% increase for our uh vendor um that provides the service um and a 17.5% increase in tip um uh so we're basically going to use some of the fund balance in there instead of waste Solid Waste uh has us to be able um fiber optics again for2 million short take us about 20 years at going to finally get that one even um collectively overall we get six Enterprise funds uh four of which uh or two of which are going to be re requesting uh rate increases uh waste water and surface water to 4% um this throw out all of the discussions um we have a special meeting on Monday where we'll just focus on uh the capital Improvement plan all department heads are required to be there uh please be prepared with all of your questions so it's not us presenting it's us explaining and answering all of your questions and making sure they'll make any adjustments in the capital Improvement plan after for that meeting and then the impact that'll have on our budgets uh in the last the only meeting that we're going to have in November uh we'll cover internal service funds um special Revenue funds and show you the changes in the Fe schedule um and then the first meeting in December is our truth and Taxation the second meeting in December is approving everything Improvement plan and we got two minutes to spare thank you appreciate it business we have to about we're good to go thank you gentlemen thank you the motion to adjourn some move some move counc s second secondment council member Norby all those in favor say I I thank you much we'll adjourn for a few minutes and start the council