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We have an excused absence from councelor uh Jonathan Lambert Melton. And then before we say the pledge of allegiance, I'll just give a brief update uh on the border patrol situation because I know many of you have been following the news on that, um we'll just say that our law enforcement partners uh and have confirmed that uh border patrol is in Wake County. So there have been several consern confirmed sightings um and Durham County. Um, and we are just encouraging everyone if you um feel unsafe or you see something that you think is illegal to please call the Raleigh Police Department or your local jurisdiction um and to stay safe and if those who uh want to express their first amendment rights to please do so in a lawful and peaceful way and just be um particularly kind to your neighbors today. So, um I think other counselors may you know during the personal privilege um you know want to update on other activities and things but I just wanted to provide that brief update at the start of the meeting. All right. Um, pledge of allegiance as our first item >> to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all. >> All right. Next we have uh Megan Nation to present a special award. All right. Good afternoon, Mayor, Council, City Manager. I'm Megan Nation with the Office of Sustainability, and I am excited to share with you that the city of Raleigh has achieved the Charging Smart Silver designation. So, Charging Smart is a national department of energy funded program that provides free technical assistance to local governments like ourselves that recognizes our deployment and accelerates our deployment of electric vehicles and charging infrastructure in our area. To get this designation, we were evaluated in six categories, including planning, regulation, utility engagement, education and incentives, government operations, and mobility. We are very excited and proud to say that we are the first city in the southeast to earn the silver level designation and the first city in North Carolina to earn the designation at all. Of course, we couldn't do this alone. So, the Interstate Renewable Energy Council helps administer this program nationally. They were key partners to achieve this designation. Our neighbors down the street at North Carolina State University Clean Energy Technology Center were instrumental in our local technical assistance providers. And of course, we have many partners within the city to make this happen, including the fleet management operations division within engineering services, planning and development, and many other departments within the city. This designation helps accelerate and show our commitment to our community climate action plan. It recognizes the strong foundation we've built over many years doing this work. It shows our commitment to clean transportation and reducing emissions, as well as supporting access, safety, and a multitude of community benefits. Thank you for your support over the many years and we're very excited to receive this designation. >> Congratulations. Any questions? >> Awesome. Thank you. >> All right. Thank you. >> All right. Next, we have the consent agenda and there were no items pulled u by anyone. So, uh do we have a motion for >> move for approval? >> Second. >> Right. Any other discussion? If not, all in favor of the motion, I >> I. >> All oppose, nay. And that was a very weak but approving I. Okay. Um Okay. Next, we have uh public comment. And we have three minutes per person because we do have under uh 30 speakers. And I will um of course there is a list here um so you can sort of see in advance uh where you are in line but we'll start with uh >> oh it's one minute each okay sorry >> okay sorry excuse me we've got a lot going on today uh Taylor Stewart Good afternoon. The city's proposed route for Big Branch Greenway segment 1B fails to provide the safe connections to parks, jobs, shopping offices, and mixeduse areas that the city claims. This route requires users to cross a dangerous Six Forks roads at Selby Drive where 23,500 cars travel per day, usually over the 40 mph speed limit with a crash rate 35% higher than all comparable roads in North Carolina, and it doesn't connect people to the places they actually want to go. If the goal is to connect Midtown, this alignment fails. There are other viable alternatives. Please scrap segment 1A and 1B and use the $5 million estimated cost of segment one to develop a better, safer connection that will actually link trail users to their intended destinations. Thank you. >> Thank you, Elizabeth Scott. If you truly care about climate change, don't build greenways and riparian buffers. If you truly value the environment, honor the city's conservation easement. If you truly value tree canopy, don't cut down five mature trees in my yard alone. If you truly value fiscal responsibility, don't spend millions on a greenway to nowhere without bridge funding. If you truly value your private property rights, don't take mine away. If you truly value public engagement, stop the deception that's occurred on this project. If [snorts] you wouldn't want your property held hostage, leave ours alone. Nine lawsuits will be expensive. I know I litigated for 35 years. This issue is personal to each Anderson Forest homeowner. These are our homes, our backyards, our children's play spaces, not the spot for a greenway. >> Thank you, Kevin Kuang. [clears throat] >> Hello everyone. I have a disclaimer that I do not have a yes or no opinion on the big branch greenway because I'm wearing green but don't know. So, [gasps] [laughter] but I'm today to talk about pedestrian safety uh in my neighborhood PR court and Bury Circle. I think there need to be a study on installation of stop sign coming in from Bury Circle in the Aren Grove neighborhood because um there are children in neighborhood praying in the afternoon and then the car is too fast. Thank you very much. >> Thank you, Elizabeth Stewart. Parks and Recck staff argued that most greenway paths are in flood planes, but obscure the fact that the proposed 1B West scenic section would have no escape access. In reality, a privacy fence would be on the home side and a safety re railing would be on the creek side. The creek is a in a trench with sloping embankments. When we asked the committee how a pedestrian family would escape this tunnel effect, the committee replied that it would only take 10 minutes and $5 million to walk through this section. It is well documented that the creek can flood in less than nine minutes, even with no rain in our area. I don't think anyone in the city of Raleigh wants a repeat of the Camp Mystic, Texas disaster that occurred with unexpected flash flooding. It is irresponsible for any city council member to vote for 1B West without examin. Thank you, Helen Kervin. The city has a duty to uphold a 39year-old conservation easement along Big Branch. This easement across nine Anderson Forest properties prohibits trail construction and tree removal. The city is proposing to condemn this conservation easement and use imminent domain to take property from nine homeowners for an amenity, not a necessity. As a park board's member said, the city's lack of concern for protecting the easement makes me not comfortable voting for the Streamside West. The city would condemn this easement, then turn around and violate state repairarium buffer rules and their own policies. Claiming stream bank stabilization makes this okay is a facade. Condemning a conservation easement while violating the protections it was created to uphold sets a dangerous precedent for every conservation easement in our state. Thank you. >> Thank you, Sig Hutchinson. Good afternoon. Sig Hutchinson and the Big Branch Greenway is the most significant new greenway project in Raleigh for a generation with thousands of residents being impacted in a positive way, including a brand new bridge over I40 connecting downtown to North Hills to North Raleigh. And just like the art museum bridge, this project will happen. DOT is committed, North Hills is committed, and funds are available from the Six Works project. So, the best way to ensure this bridge is completed is to build the greenway along the streamside corridors. Cost continues to be an issue that folks are talking about, but cost should never be the number one criteria. That should be safety. We don't want anyone getting hurt or killed by being pennywise and pound foolish such as the Six Forks Road option or the numer the numerous conflict points of crossing driveways with distracted drivers. We need to choose the safe option, the right option, the streamside option. Thank you. >> Right. Thank you, Caroline [snorts] Plameumber. The city is using the results from a flawed phase 2 survey to justify the big branch segment 1B streamside route. From the outset, parks and wreck selected the Anderson Forest route as its preferred option and then shaped the city's public engagement process to reach that predetermined outcome. They even went to the extreme of manipulating an image that they used in the survey to show a lovely streamside serene path lined with trees, but they failed to show how close our homes are to the path, the fencing, the safety rails that would need to be installed and all the trees that would need to be removed. The city's conservation easement prohibits trail construction, but the parks and wreck continue ignoring the legal, environmental, and safety obstacles. I urge you to disregard the results from this inaccurate biased survey in your decision. Our citizens deserve the truth when voting on a greenway, not a manip. >> Thank you, Dorothia Barrow. I am sick and tired of being sick and tired. Quote by Fanny Liu Hammer. Hello. Proverbs 31:89 says, "Speak up for those who cannot speak up for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly. Defend the rights of the poor and needy." I founded my grassroots mental health advocacy group, Madonna's Voice, which stands for Mental Illness, Disability Advocacy, and Awareness Network of America in 2022, not knowing I would be implementing it in 2023 or standing in front of you in 2025. On September 9th, 2025, a ABC11 quote from Raleigh mayor caught my eye. We have citizens and residents out here that need this help. So, we hope we could prevent what happened in Charlotte here, except this systematic mental health crisis did happen here in Raleigh in 2023 in reverse, but it was not televised, socialized, or put in print for all to see to create a dialogue and promote change in a broken mental health care system. In slight comparison to the recent tragic Charlotte Light incident, let's back up to 2023. The story headline should have been Alliance TCL housing attack in Raleigh by Carolina outreach act team member female 30 harmed her client of two and a half years male 25 who lived alone in Alliance TCL supportive housing program suffering from severe mental and I would say Miss Barrow since you have I mean a lot if you have written comments it would be helpful to have those since I know you had a lot you're trying to shove into one minute so thank you uh Mamakai >> ma'am there is a basket in the front if you want to drop your comments >> or you can send them on email, but just wanted to make sure you knew that. Um, Mama Kai Sanders, [clears throat] >> good afternoon y'all. Um, it's another amazing day in paradise. Um, I want to say thank you for y'all's service and thank you for the messages that y'all have been promoting about unity and protecting one another and our community. Um, I also want to wish you guys a happy Thanksgiving. Um, I haven't heard that yet, so I wanted to make sure I said it. Um, actually, I just um wanted to see if we could get some movement on a conversation about public private partnerships. I'm never sure how to go about those. Um, some of the things that I'm curious about are how we can fund um, sidewalks in neighborhoods that are seeking them, the separation allowance, as well as the bringing neighbors home program. I know there's ways that the community can get involved in in those, but I'm just not sure how it's done. So, if there could be more conversation or some more information put out about those, I would greatly appreciate it. And that's all I have for now. Thank you again. >> Thank you, Rashan King. Good afternoon, council members and Mr. Mayor. How you doing? My name is Rashan King. I'm here to share my comments on the Big Branch Greenway. As a trail professional and advocate, I can't even imagine citizens in Raleigh not being able to access this greenway due to one segment not being approved. The citizens in this city need every segment completed to access this greenway for parks schools stores transportation and leisure time. This project has the potential to be the epitome of trails. But of course, we have a few individuals that are strongly against segment 1B. However, our professional park staff have analyzed and studied this 1B stream route as the safest and most sustainable avenue to take. When did we stop believing in our park staff? Let's make the right decision by voting yes to 1B stream segment to finalize this bond project but more so to also connect our city as one as a whole. Thank you. >> Thank you Nikki W. Okay. Uh Octavia Rainey. >> Good evening. First of all, I would have to say that all of my sympathy is with the Hispanic community because I understand what is going on. Last night, I was at Peach Road and I want to tell all of y'all, y'all are just as guilty if you move the Hispanic business off off of Wington Street. They earned the right to be there. They did something that blacks can't do. They went and bought a whole strip. They patronized their businesses. Their family shop there. They are employed there. And they own businesses. I'm asking you, do not take that up. Wington Street. If you have to move the Hispanic businesses, don't do it. You are no better than Donald Trump. Donald Trump come in and look what he's doing. Are you going to do the same thing to the Hispanic businesses? That's the same thing. >> Thank you. >> Peter De Haven is >> Yes. >> Okay. There's a little mark and through the number, so I wasn't sure what that meant, but I'm glad. >> Made me worried, too. Hi, my name is Pete De Haven on behalf of the Crab Tree Heights neighborhood. Speaking about the big big branch greenway connector project, we reiterate our concerns about greenway options in crap tree heights. Such [clears throat] options are unsafe due to numerous driveway and road crossings and steep topography. These options would also destroy dozens of trees and other plantings. We wish to express our thanks for the numerous council members, including Mayor Cowell, who have visited our neighborhood, walked with our residents, and heard our concerns. We hope that you bear our concerns in mind as you advance this process. Throughout this project, we have appreciated the leadership and engagement from staff and oversight and generally feel that our concerns have been heard. However, last month, board members curiously asked parks and wreck to evaluate an option on the east bank of Big Branch that would require the demolition of one of our houses in Crabtree Heights. This is an absurd alternative. Fortunately, it was not considered for very long and we hope that it is not considered again. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mike Pvasnik. >> Good afternoon, members of council, mayor, staff. Thank you for your time. I urge you to vote yes on the Big Branch Greenway. This project isn't about just recreation. It's about safety, equity, and long overdue connectivity. North Raleigh remains cut off from the city's greenway network with no safe, practical, or budget feasible alternative. In the last decade alone, there have been 18 preventable crashes involving pedestrians and cyclists in this area. 18 that we can change. Let's not add to that number by denying a solution that's been prioritized for years. Yes, there are concerns about proximity and privacy, but countless neighborhoods across Raleigh have embraced greenways as assets, not threats. This is our chance to prevent future tragedies, reduce congestion, and finally connect our community. Let's lead with vision and vote yes for Big Branch. >> Thank you, [clears throat] Alex Brassette. Good afternoon. I'm here in support of the Big Branch Greenway. I've been thinking a lot about how I'd feel if this greenway was proposed to run through my backyard. I have the luxury of distance from this project, but if it were my yard, yeah, I totally get the impulse to oppose it. And I get the impulse to dig in my heels about it, too, because hey, I'm a good person. I've had success in life. How could I be wrong about this? But what I'd hope for my hypothetical self is that I'd take a step back and realize I have the opportunity to give a tremendous gift to the whole city of Raleigh lasting generations. [snorts] It's a sacrifice though. I get that. I believe it's a sacrifice I'd be proud of. Please approve the plan for the Big Branch Greenway. Thank you. >> Thank you, Joy Perez. Good afternoon, council mayor. Uh my name is Joy Perez. I'm with the Pointer YMCA in downtown Raleigh. And in a change of topic a little bit, um I'm here to thank you for your support so far in the two-hour parking program with downtown. I know that a vote is coming up again with that and we would like for your consideration in extending that program. Um the ability to have free 2-hour parking has been critical to the health of our Y right there on Fateville Street. Um we had a significant [clears throat] jump in membership and attendance after the program was implemented last fall. Um we've been able to see the continuation of that all year with month over month we've seen over a thousand more people coming into Ry. Some days almost 150 more people. Those people are also going to lunch downtown. They're grabbing a coffee downtown. this time of year they're starting to buy gifts downtown. Um and so having that easy access for people um to take away a barrier with parking has been incredible for our business. I'm sure it is for others as well. Our net promoter scores which we use as feedback switched from negative to overwhelmingly. >> Thank you Jane Hubbend. deception biomission. City staff is promoting the idea that the big branch streamside option is the only option that will work. But that's not the case. Many other viable options have been presented, but staff asserts that each one of those has too many negatives. In what they call their decisionmaking chart, they did not include any of the important negatives about the streamside option. Another action to make it seem like it's the only option were the following on their decisionmaking chart. Crossing and walking along a dangerous Six Forks Road. Violating a conservation easement, violating state water quality protection rules, flash flooding and dangerous currents, high cost and maintenance, the steepest incline of any option, a 120 foot ramp, bridge and crossing two large drainage ditches. Are these important to make >> Thank you. Robert Hubb. [clears throat] [snorts] Last week I read council several quotes by your advisory board members that called out the city for its use of a photoshopped image of stream of the streamside option and bias in its presentations in public survey. Greenway options should be judged fairly on their own merits. Photoshopping, misleading the public, and putting its thumb on the scale of a public survey is no way for a city agency to act. Was this bias just bias? Or was it also because the city embarrassingly eroded assuming it had a construction easement through Anderson Forest? The city had already contracted with Kimley Horn and spent many thousands of dollars prior to Anderson Forest residents informing them of the easement restrictions that prohibited trail development. Was this bias just bias or was also an attempt by the city to cover up its initial mistake? Thank you. >> Thank you, Hannity Ellie. Okay. Not seeing MSA Salari. Athena Wallen. Sorry. Hi, my name is Athena Wallen. Um, here I am again. The Big Branch Greenway Project is one way for the city to address longer segments of our storm water creeks for improved efficacy over time. This is this is a responsible and necessary change for our city to reliably maintain these public utility systems and natural wildlife corridors. Times have changed. These creeks are experiencing more demand, more erosion. Our policies need to be updated. Our strategies need to be evolved. Without greater investment to our storm water creeks throughout Raleigh, we will lose viable land to rebuild and retore our buffers. If you want the spongeness of our spongy city, we got to keep it intact. Please acknowledge how this corridor and project can be equitably equitably brought to so many more neighborhoods and that it's so much more. >> Thank you Nadia Ali. Hey, missed you guys. I'm Nadia Ali, your favorite Raleigh native, middle child of Palestinian immigrants. My father was a City of Raleigh employee. My sister is a current fire battalion chief. Thank you guys for coming and checking on my neighborhood, Crabtree Heights, my parents' home since 1983. Um, I hope you guys keep in mind the safety of people on the greenway. I mean, that's partially what the greenway is for. If if it went through our neighborhood like some of the options were, it would cut through driveways. There could be some serious accidents as people are trying to get in and out of their driveways. Also, why would we spend that kind of money to cut down trees, move utilities, and dig up those driveways? You can all do your research, but we've lived there for over 40 years. And if we have to do this, then the streamside option is really the only thing that's acceptable. We appreciate your time and hope you will take into consideration your constituents requests. Thank you. >> Thank you, >> Whitney Hill. Good afternoon, city council. My name is Whitney Hill, and I'm here because of the decision to end Raleigh's leaf vacuum collection. First, weekly pickup is a good idea, but eliminating the leaf pack uh vacuum service entirely is the wrong way to go. Some yards take 50 or more bags. That's not a practical solution. Leaving leaves on the streets and clogging sewers. Raleigh is the city of the oaks. It is reasonable to expect a strategy that does not burden the homeowner. Raleigh makes revenue off of leaves. They are mulched and sold back to the public. What should we do? Reduce intervals for pickup with the leak vacuum service by expanding the number of trucks. Wave dump fees for home homeowners for leaves. Organize acorn citizen groups to to help disabled folks. explore uh contracting the service out to a private company. Raleigh taxpayers are asking. >> Thank you, >> Jonathan Frederick. Good afternoon. Thank you for this opportunity and thank you for your leadership. I'm Jonathan Frederick, CEO of Marbles's Kids Museum and IMAX Theater, proudly in the Morsquare district of downtown Raleigh. I'm here to voice Marble's strong support for continuing the city's 2-hour free parking program. It's made real differences for families and for the vitality of downtown Raleigh, especially in the Moore Square District. We serve over half a million, that's 500,000 visitors a year. We prioritize accessibility. It's so important to our team and take pride in being one of the most affordable children's museums in the nation. And for families, as you know, every bit of savings helps. Thanks to the parking program, we've leaned into the Wilmington Street deck being our parking solution, we communicate that benefit in every message we sent out, every ticket confirmation, every event announcement. We want that to be our parking spot. Since summer, that's our busiest time of year. We've only received one complaint about parking in writing, and that's saying something over the previous years. Um, it's working. So, this program allows families to stay downtown longer to shop, to dine. as an investment. >> Thank you, Seth Fletcher. >> Good afternoon. I'm here to speak about the parking as well. A small business like mine really relies on it. You know what I mean? Raleigh is a small city. It's not a major city around the world where you have to pay for parking. We want people to be down here and I love the incentivization that that provides. So, that's all I had to say. >> Thank you. >> CrossFit Serve, we're right by the YMCA. Thank you. >> And Prrenav Hurish. Good afternoon. Uh my name is Prrenav. I'm a local business owner here in downtown Raleigh. Uh downtown Raleigh. I'm here to speak about uh the parking program as well. Uh the two hours of free parking program is really one of the simplest high impact tools that the city has to support its core businesses in downtown. Uh stabilizes short-term visits um to a lot of different businesses such as restaurants, uh sporadic shopping trips, uh even errand and retailers such as our Lego store that's here on Fateville Street. Uh we think that this is very essential to be competitive with uh the downtown and suburban communities around us. Uh and the economic return is really meaningful because visitors who have skipped um basically skipping downtown altogether are not going to spend their money on food. They're not spending it on retail and those kinds of benefits if they were to spend the money there are going to far outweigh the money that we're paying to cover the parking for the people that are coming into downtown. Uh I think it keeps us very competitive and I'm in support of that program. So I would urge you to vote yes. >> Thank you. All right, that concludes uh everyone who signed up for public comment. We appreciate you coming down and we will move on with our agenda. Uh we have Binham Walter here to have the report and recommendation of the planning commission and Nicole Bennett. >> Good afternoon, Mayor and Council. Bam Walter Raleigh Planning and Development joined by chair of the planning commission Nicole Bennett. a review of upcoming holidays between now and the end of the year. For your reference, we have some items already scheduled for public hearing at your evening meeting on December 2nd. There are four reasonzoning requests scheduled for public hearing. And we're suggesting uh items additional items be scheduled for that time as well as uh possibly one item for your first evening meeting in January. You have not set your 2026 schedule yet, but we're assuming you will follow the pattern of the last 20 years and meet on the first Tuesday of the year. Yeah, who knows what will happen. Uh so coming out of planning commission, we have resoning Z 2025. This is a plan development resoning for uh just under 40 acres in the Bra Creek vicinity. The uh plan development zoning would remain. The request would remove the airport overlay district. The request is consistent with the comprehensive plan. The future land use map planning commission recommends approval. We are suggesting a December 2nd public hearing here. Uh, of course, you have discretion there. The second item is TCZ 3225. So, this is a text change to zoning conditions for a handful of parcels on Bird's Eyee Court and Rooftop View Trail. This is on the west side of Creedmore Road, just south of Jeff School, Jeff Grove School Road. Uh the zoning would remain R10, but the conditions would change. Planning Commission does recommend approval. I will note there were only me eight members present at the meeting. Uh this has a published suggested public hearing date of January 2nd. Uh January 6th. I know the applicant has asked staff if please this could happen on December 2nd as well. And then the third item coming out of planning commission is a text change to the unified development ordinance. This is TC 324 which would align the unified development ordinance and state law uh on matters pertaining to the Raleigh Historic Development Commission. Again, planning commission recommends approval and you have a suggested public hearing date of December 2nd. What questions could I or chair Bennett ask for you before you set hearings or take other action? >> Silver and then Patton. >> At the uh last uh council meeting, it was the TCZ 325 is the one I suggested be on December 2nd. So I note it was January 6th. So when my colleagues uh were ready to vote to set days for the public hearing, I would recommend that this one uh be on also January second. I'm sorry, December 2nd. [laughter] >> All good. We got it. Okay. Well then, um do you have a preference evening or afternoon? That is a beefy agenda. >> Let us beefy agenda. I'm assuming in the evening. >> I I actually don't know which of these hearings is in the evening or in the afternoon. Are they >> on the second? What time of day is? >> It would be the evening hearing unless you said otherwise. >> So, all the ones we already have scheduled are for the evening thus far. >> That's correct. >> I would go with the evening because I did get a specific request to for this December 2nd. So, I would say it's fine with my colleagues December 2nd evening. >> I I just have a question. I don't know if you were done. >> I'm done. Oh, I have a I have unrelated questions as yours about this. >> No, it's not about his city and >> um I have a question about the plan development >> and I I did try to digest this whole packet. Uh it was a lot but my primary question is around the airport overlay district. It's a a quick like origin story, its intended purpose like why why do airport overlay district? So the airport overlay district roughly follows the noise contours of the flight and landing paths associated with the airport. Uh pro prohibits residential development specific use specifically and also limits height. Uh so you can see that the overlay exists. It's this uh kind of purple netting all around this site. And so the uh exists surrounds and and roughly follows the uh flight contours. Uh so they're asking to remove that. There's uh already residential development on this site and they want to increase their residential entitlement. >> So its main purpose is for like quality of life asurances for residents. That's right. sound uh airport air the noise from takeoff and and landing and flight people residential tenants find that disrupt can find that disruptive. >> Okay, got it. >> Well, council branch and then councelor Jones. >> Yeah. So, my question is related to this case. Um has the airport given impact or weighed in on this and >> I believe we have received comments in opposition. They generally comment in opposition to removal of the overlay. >> Okay. And from looking at this, is it the arrows or is it the line? I'm trying to figure out what part is >> So on this map, every Oh, you're not going to let me draw. So, there's a hard uh kind of purple line >> that goes through the red area on the uh sort of to the northwest of the zoning area. That is the edge of the overlay. And then the purple netting, those little arrows, it kind of uh looks like a fish net goes all the way down on this page and all the way to the right or east. >> So I would say about threequarters of the area here is covered with the overlay currently. >> Okay. Thank you, >> Council Jones. >> Um I just wanted to give some uh context. I did meet with the airport and I have discussed this case um with the applicants team as well and I just wanted to clarify that I'm not sure if it'll be a hotel or residents in that over where the where the arrows go but the residents that are currently there are not actually in the overlay district. Right. >> That's right. Right. So the overlay currently is just in that very tiny small part of the >> bottom corner. Sure. >> But the property is surrounded on all sides by the overlay. That's right. >> Right. Right. Right. So I don't I'm sure we'll go through it when we go through the case, but as I was talking to the airport, they mentioned decibel levels and that made me go, "Oh, after our noise ordinance conversation and they know that when planes land that hits 95 dB." So just in context what we've been talking about when with our 70 uh decel limit that is very high, which is why they protect it so hard. Um now in discussion with this case as you'll see and as you speak to the team they did come to the first planning uh or the first neighborhood meeting planning commission meeting I forget but they did not come to the second one and this will also go on to further review from the airport as well from that. So there are multiple um things that will happen after this uh to to make sure that it does fit in within within their quality of life guidelines. Uh, but I just wanted to give that context before we go and deep dive into it. Uh, I did the Red Hat or the Red Hat hard hat tour, uh, which I know there's another one on December 5th. So, if you are able to, please go because it was a great educational moment to talk specifically about this case and and learn about it. Um, so anyway, just wanted to provide that context. >> Okay, any other questions for Miss Bennett or Walters? Okay, do we have motions? Move for approval of all cases be set for December 2nd. >> Second. >> Okay. Any other discussion? All in favor? I. I. >> All oppose? Nay. And that is unanimous. Thank you all. Okay. Next, we've got special items and we have Caitlyn Parker in transportation to present the downtown uh 2-hour free parking pilot update. Good afternoon, mayor and council. My name is Caitlyn Parker and I'm the parking manager for the city of Raleigh. I thought you were raising your hand. I'm sorry. Um, and today we will be giving a program update on the 2hour free parking pilot. So, quick agenda. We're going to do a quick overview of the program, give some pilot performance data, and also go over pilot feedback. So these are um the pilot began on November 15th, 2024 and is currently slated to end on December 31st of this year. There is no charge for the first two hours in six specified city-owned garages. It is active from 7 to 7 p Monday through Friday. Is limited to one free visit per vehicle per day. time parked beyond those two hours is charged at the posted rates for that garage and is not available during special events. So, this map is just illustrating for y'all where these garages are located in the downtown area. So, two-hour free parking is not only free parking that the city of Raleigh offers. In addition to that program, we off al also offer free nights and weekends at a majority of our garages. In addition to the free parking, we also offer a small business program. This program allows up to 400 small business employees to park free 24/7 in select city garages. That particular program comes at a $600,000 revenue loss from the city. So, for example, this chart is stating that Wilmington Street garage is free 71% of the time. So, I want to jump to on street real quick. So, in the parking world, we refer to on street and off street. So, on street is your curb space, your meters, your no parking areas, also time restrictions. Off streetet refers to our garages or decks as we may say as well plus your surface lots. So quick review right here of on street meter revenue. It has a 12% annual percentage change from these two time frames that I've listed below. So we're seeing an increase in our on street meter revenue. So what is the impact of the 2-hour free parking program? The city is seeing in excess of a $500,000 revenue loss from this program alone. This chart demonstrates the average monthly percent change in all city garages. So you can notice that there is an increase in transactions less than 2 hours and also increases in transactions greater than two hours. But pay attention to Convention Center and Charter Square. These two garages are not a part of the program but have seen an increase in transactions. Same though for performing arts has seen a decrease in transactions. It's also important to note that our private partners near these two-hour free garages have reported a 30% decrease in their transactions. So this could mean that our parkers are shuffling from the private lots to these two-hour free garages. So, in the previous slide, I mentioned a $500,000 revenue loss that impacts the funding for our program, which does [clears throat] come with some trade-offs. Some examples of these trade-offs are we continue to defer maintenance. We cannot increase janitorial services, security or our graphics and signage. Example of aesthetic services are powerashing and painting that we cannot do fully due to the program funding. So, at this time, I'm going to turn it over to our partners at DRA to go over their slides. >> Yeah. Can we have just one question before you sit down from councelor Silver? >> Just one question. You're looking directly at the revenue loss, but there is another tradeoff that people may be shopping more. uh there may be a real estate uh sorry a tax bet sales tax benefit I'm just trying to understand if the half a million is offset I don't know if you did that analysis but this is purely from an operational view the revenue loss I'm looking for the other return on investment on the other intangibles about having a more active downtown uh in terms of sales tax was that factored in or this is solely solely the half a million revenue loss from the garage operations. >> Yes. So, our partners at DRA are going to present that part for you. I do know that we couldn't calculate actual tax revenue, but DR has some data to present. >> Thank you. [clears throat] >> All right. Good afternoon, Bill King, Downtown Raleigh Alliance. So, I'll take you through um what we have on economic impact and then happy to answer any questions. Uh so, a quick refresher. Um, I won't hit this too hard, but really we'll focus on what we've done since we last saw you in February um to get more data. So, we conducted an intercept survey uh in the 2-hour free decks. So, what that means is we literally had people in those decks and found transient parkers, so not monthly parkers, and asked them a lot of questions about how much this program influenced them coming downtown, how much they are spending, uh what they're coming down for. So, we have information on that that helped us calculate economic impact. And then we also surveyed storefronts on the impact to sales um and foot traffic for them as well. Uh so what we already knew from our January survey was that this is in the general public very popular um with many people 88% of the community saying this would increase their likelihood of visiting downtown and obviously a lot of storefront businesses very supportive of it at the time. Uh and I'll just remind on our support for this program obviously there's uh a few things here. unused deck capacity. You have unused deck capacity here. So, you're using this now as an economic development tool to support downtown businesses in the part of downtown most affected by remote work and what happened in 2020 and the part of downtown that's seen the least amount of development uh over the last 5 years. Uh it can encourage off- streetet versus on street parking and so there's a more predictable user experience. You can stay longer in the decks. It's getting people used to using the decks more which is a good thing. Decks are safer when more people are in them. Uh, which is a good positive feedback loop. Uh, and it resets the narrative on parking, which is often cited as the top reason people do not come downtown and has been for many years. Uh, a lot of the subm markets we are competing against, Village District, North Hills, Iron Works, those are direct competitors for customers. You're deciding where to go to dinner. Those are the people uh those are the groups that they're deciding against. They all offer um free parking whereas downtown does not have that. And so this has been a way to reset that. uh and put us on a more competitive playing field. Uh so in the intercept survey, so this is the survey inside the parking decks. We had 258 responses which um gives [clears throat] us a a confidence interval of 5% which is good. Uh the top trip purposes, dining was number one, appointments and shopping. Uh big takeaways here, 16% of people said this was the main reason for their visit. So that free parking program, that was the reason they're coming here. and another 15% said it influenced their visit. So 31% of the transient parkers in there said this either was the reason or an influential reason for why they came. Their average spend was $27.3. So obviously there's a direct motivation here uh for downtown visits from this program. We then also talked to storefront businesses on uh how much this has impacted sales. 86% agree or strongly agree that has resulted in additional sales. Uh 62% said they'd heard from customers that free parking was a reason for visiting. Uh all the respondents of our businesses said this is very or extremely important sustaining downtown business activity. And then just in general, 65% of our businesses surveyed reported sales up in 2025 versus 2024 while only 16% reported a decline. Uh this just gives you a visual of that as well. So we've seen um some good sales growth here among those surveyed. Um, some of the feedback we got from businesses, um, this has helped with customer attraction and retention. Um, so they get new and returning customers, visitors spending more time downtown because they're less stressed about parking, uh, customers arriving more reliably and on time uh, for those when the appointment business. Um, in the office side, uh, we heard from a major um, office landlord that has helped with, um, reducing tenant hesitation about locating downtown. heard from a bank uh that told us that that used to be the least desirable branch for clients to visit and now that has improved tremendously. Obviously for places like Marbles and other family destinations, this has made downtown visits more financially accessible, particularly for lower inome families. Um and many businesses emphasized that ending this program would negatively impact their operations in downtown. A lot of feedback here. I won't go through all these different quotes. Um but noting that even in the office space, brokers saying um prospective tenants are being more swayed by that. So there's obviously an impact there as well. But you can see barber shops saying clients feeling less stressed, retail business saying they've seeing more people coming in before and after. So in terms of the estimated economic impact, um that is ranges from 2 million to 3.8 million. 2 million is the amount from people who said this is the only reason they came downtown. So that's 16%. 3.8 8 million is in the add and the other 15% who said this was a contributing reason. So your economic impact in spending is somewhere between 2 and 3.8 million. So if you think about that from a multiplier impact your cost there relative to what you're getting you're getting somewhere between 7 to$13.5 for the dollar you spend on this program which is a great benefit and a tremendous economic impact. Uh and so there's another way to calculate this too that gets you to 3.3 million in spending which of course is also right in the middle of that range. So somewhere between 2 to 3.8 8 million um in spending is being generated by this program. Uh you can see the transactions as well are up uh in each of the decks. Um so you've seen a lot of gain there. When note your municipal deck transactions are conflated by construction here, but even in those other decks, you're seeing a pretty significant number of visitors um coming into these decks compared to the year before. Um so there's a very obvious behavioral impact here uh just in this data as well. So summaries of the findings here. This is a very popular program. 31% of our intercept respondents said it was a reason or contributing factor for their trip. Um 86% said it of our businesses said it's reported uh additional sales. 27% per visit. Transactions are up. Your economic impact is somewhere between 2 to 3.8 million. Uh and you're generating a lot more economic activity compared to your revenue loss. Uh, I'd say it is tricky to calculate fully that where you're seeing the most benefit there potentially is actually on the property tax side. Right? If you are able to sustain 1% of downtown's property value, that creates $56,000 of tax revenue to the city of Raleigh. Right? So, the way you're doing that is when you have 2 to 3.8 million in additional sales, those are businesses that are able to pay rent, stay in business. A vacancy directly affects the uh property value. So, if you're able to sustain even 1% of that, uh, you're able to get an additional $56,000 a year in property tax revenue. Um, so overall, we think this is a really important program. We would encourage you all to adopt this. We feel like this program has been studied from all different angles. The impact is very clear, uh, and it's meaningful and it's been important for downtown. Um, obviously, you know, we understand it comes with a cost. I do think there's an opportunity for you all to look at your deck rates as you consider this. Uh I think giving those first two hours there's some opportunity there to say hey can you nudge those rates um since people get the first two hours free even if they're paying a little bit more in the third hour it's still uh positive compared to where they were before. There is an elasticity to that. I would be very careful on taking that too far to where then you're rolling backwards and it's too expensive. Um but there I think is an opportunity there. And I would just encourage you to remember these decks were built for economic development. They were built before uh much of the development happened in downtown to help spur that. You have a rare opportunity most cities don't have. Most cities don't control this much parking. And so you have an opportunity here to use this as a policy tool and you've got a policy here that has been very impactful from an economic perspective with a 7 to 10 time multiplier and nearly $4 million in impact potentially. I'm happy to answer any questions. Also, I'd like to thank the city of Raleigh staff for their thoughtfulness and partnership on this. And I'd like to thank you all for being willing to try this out and supporting it. >> Thank you. >> Thanks, Bill. And uh any questions? >> Oh, >> yep. Sorry, I'm back. Where the questions? >> Okay, continue. >> Um sorry, just a quick review though of the overall state of the parking enterprise. Off- streetet revenue is slowly rebounding. Um you know, the population is increasing and we're seeing more people coming down. So, parking is rebounding slowly. Operation costs will and have continued to increase. Maintenance costs will continue to increase but will be continue to be deferred due to the program funding. Um we do continue to receive general fund support. But then parking will be back at council during budget deliberations. Um to speak about rates. It's not just about rates though. Speak that you know back to that chart where we give away so much free parking. We will compare ourselves to other downtowns that do not do that and other rates as maybe prolonging hours and or going into weekends. So we will be back during budget deliberations. >> Let me just give one clarification. >> Good afternoon Kenneth Richie with transportation. So just one clarification so this slide makes a little bit of sense. The parking fund operates as an enterprise fund. So the revenues and the expenditures all have to balance out within the program itself over the last couple years. Certainly there's been some support from the general fund there and certainly we're continuing to to project that understanding some of those operational pieces and the maintenance that has continued to be deferred. So, as we think about this program, there is the larger parking e ecosystem that we will be discussing during the budget deliberations in the in the winter. [snorts] >> You want a question now? >> Yeah. Um, first of all, thank you for the information and presentation. Um, I actually have an ask and this ask is around working with is for bill and DRA. Um, as staff prepares to come back with the budget um and the information in the spring of of next year, can DRRA also look at a way to look at a public private partnership to help because if we defer maintenance over time, year to year to year, it's great to have two hours of parking and free deck, but it's not great for two hours of free parking on a deck that's falling apart. So, whatever we can do to find some balance and and get some buy in, I'm glad the businesses are benefiting. I want them to prosper and do well, but also if there's a way that they can help us help their customers have a safe and a long sustaining parking deck, that would be very helpful because we can't keep deferring um over and over and over. Uh actually, Council Member Branch uh took almost the words out of my mouth. When I heard deferred maintenance, wanted to know, are we talking about routine maintenance, which is just cleaning services, or when I hear deferred maintenance, I'm thinking of capital improvements, whether it's an elevator, rebar exposed. So I just need to understand in terms of routine maintenance in terms of just your normal [snorts] cleaning, painting and other uh more staffdriven maintenance or when you say deferred maintenance is more of the capital side that now requires more expenditure. >> So first I want to state that our garages are safe. Um but it is both. when we continue to defer routine maintenance that turns into capital maintenance. Um, so yes, I'm talking about the aesthetics of power washing, painting, but we're also talking about waterproofing that continues to be deferred and costs continue to go up for these maintenance costs. So it's it it is both capital and operational. >> Yeah. And the last one, I guess, is more from my colleagues. I know it said make this a permanent program after what I think the both of us just said. I'm willing to consider another pilot, but permanent to me uh I'd rather have a annual evaluation because sooner or later it'll be a concern where we're undermining that 2hour benefit by having that deferred maintenance. So I saw the recommendation was make it a permanent program. I'm not sure if I'm there. Uh I don't know what the expectation of the city was, but I'm just putting it out there as we bring this back to the table and talk about what our recommendation is. So, I've got a couple of comments. I I think this is one of the most strategic important conversations of the entire city. I mean, these assets are critical not only to the first sort of impression of Raleigh for many people coming into our city. It's about economic development, it's about, you know, taxes, the health of downtown, it's, you know, our brand, it's art, it's all these partnerships. So, I mean, to me, I respect the enterprise fund and sort of trying to have this be self-supporting. I think that would be extremely shortsighted and myopic to treat this like it's just a place to park cars and in terms of the public private I mean just the possibilities you know number one Jonathan Fedrick I don't know whether he's still in the room he was here earlier from marbles you know they desperately I think want to partner I've had two conversations with him I know sure he's already reached out to you but you know the signage to point to where things are going the paint the branding the fun this you know the to get the Park and Play, Pastor Buoie, First Wilmington on Salsbury, Park and Pray. He wants to do uh prayer outreach in those decks as people come into First Baptist on Wilmington, one of the most oldest historic churches in our city. Um we've had the symphony reach out. I mean, there are so many opportunities. We have the design school at NC State. We desperately want to partner with them. We want them downtown. This is an prime opportunity to get students of our incredible design school involved in downtown with things that are right. I mean, design, art, public art, as you can tell. I mean, I just think this is a tremendous opportunity and it's bringing hundreds of thousands of foot traffic into our downtown, which is reducing public safety costs. So, I just I just want to say I mean, I appreciate staff. I appreciate DRRA. I mean, if we need out outside experts, I I just don't think we can underestimate how critically important and strategic this is from a financial and a brand and a public safety. So I just la all the work, the conversation and just second, you know, uh, councelor Branch on I think we all want to invest time into this. This is this is really important. Yeah. >> Yeah. Hi. Thanks. Um, yeah, a handful of things that I want to plus one that have already been brought up at the table. Like I will say parking downtown is a is a piece of feedback I hear a lot from my district represents. you know, they they call it a barrier and they have texted me about this program like mom's on the group chat, random neighbors that I have say, "Hey, that is you made it very simple, right? The the yellow balloons, it's like, okay, park where the yellow balloons are. It's going to be free and simple." And and also many of my constituents have been predated on by the private parking providers, particularly in the surface lots. We have precious little authority to actually regulate them. So if we can incentivize doing a different behavior to put them out of like you know disincentivize parking in the place where they may get an extremely high ticket for overstaying by five minutes or get booted or towed. I I do think that's worthwhile and I can like I have my own anecdotes that support what's been suggested here. I I also have a budgetary priority of having the parking fund get back to being fully enterprise. But I guess what I thought we would be presented with today is what would be needed to create a sustainable program? Like how much would we have to raise the rates in order to continue to support this program? Could we sell one of the decks to someone else and use that to bring all the deferred maintenance up to date? and then recalibrate. I think that is data I was hoping we'd be presented with today that isn't here. It sounds like it's coming in future, but I think that's the information we would need, right? If if the answer is that we can go from $2 to $ 250, there's probably an appetite for that. If the only way we can make it work is to go from $2 to $10, we're probably having a different conversation right? So, very good questions and um just to remind you, we will have a conversation around parking garages at the retreat in January and then we will bring the final recommendations or the final numbers of what it would be to break even from projections based on this year's actuals and um all the way through the pilot program thus far of the free parking. So, we'll have those numbers when the program completes through that one-year cycle, but we will talk about the decks because I think Caitlyn said it earlier, most municipalities don't own the volume and number of decks that we currently own as a city and that is a conversation that we need to figure out whether or not we want to stay in the parking garage business or not. um silver branch >> just for clarification on the recommended action because when I read the agenda packet it said receive as information when I saw a staff presentation it said recommend permanent program um somehow in my head I thought we were going to an option was to continue to pilot for another year so we can continue through the retreat and other opportunities so just clarification the action before council today is >> I think it's information >> it's for information purposes but since the program actually does technically expire on on the 31st of 25 you all could extend it for an additional 6 months until we adopt the budget for FY27 and that would allow the program to continue and then uh we have those additional conversations around how we're going to make the the numbers match and then ultimately what is going to be our long-term strategy around ownership of park index. >> So >> that was actually going to be my exact motion that I was going to make that we extend this because I saw in the background the deadline of December 31st. So I would move that we extend the free parking program until the end of this current fiscal budget year. >> Second. >> Okay. Any other discussion or questions? All right. So all in favor of the motion I >> I. >> All oppose. Nay. So that is unanimous and it sounds like a lot more conversation and analysis to come. Thank you. All right. Next we have resoning Z2725 Grove Avenue. Binham Walter. >> Good afternoon madame and council. Bam Walter Raleigh Planning and Development. uh reasonzoning Z2725 appeared in front of you at your last meeting under report of the planning commission. At that time, you deferred action on setting the public hearing until today. Since that time, so this is a uh two parcels on the east side of Grove Avenue, uh just north of I'm sorry, south of uh Western Boulevard. Um just under 3 acres. This is going from R six to R10. So residential six to residential 10 would allow more greater residential distance density. The request is consistent with the comprehensive plan. The future land use map planning commission did recommend approval suggested public hearing date for your consideration December 2. Since you saw this, the applicant has revised the proposed conditions. So they had previously prohibited some uses. That condition remains in place as previously offered. And then they have uh added two new conditions. One uh is additional notice uh written notice for existing tenants. And then the uh third condition which is also new uh is that folks receiving written notice um would also receive some reimbursement. So that's how the case has the request has been modified. If you would like you can set a public hearing at this time. >> Yeah. I just wanted to um uh hear from the applicant if they're here. Um Isabelle if she's here to represent um and also from our >> Oh. >> Oh, I'm sorry. Worth. I am getting mixed up. >> All right. You don't look like Isabelle. This is wrong. [laughter] >> Come talk to us anyway, Isabelle. >> We have two cases with some similar conditions. So, um I just wanted to uh let let's actually hear from our attorney Karen first. I just wanted to check in on the conditions. Do we have any concerns from the attorney's office in terms of how they're written for enforcability because I know these uh you know the tenant relocation assistance can get quite into the weeds. >> Yes. And so we had looked at these um we had made some suggestions which it does look like they uh incorporated those suggestions um but we can go back um and take a look at them again uh even if you set the public here. >> Yeah. And if there were any I guess fine-tuning that had to be done. Can they put in those changes now that they have the condition written as long as it doesn't have a meaningful change like a substantive change? Once you set the public hearing, the request cannot be modified until after the hearing opens. >> Okay. >> Okay. Um, did you Okay. And I'm fine with doing this in the afternoon on December 2nd if this helps us. I'm thinking maybe so. Okay. [laughter] >> All right. So, I want a motion to uh have the public hearing on December 2nd in the afternoon. >> Second. >> Any other discussion? All in favor of the motion? I >> I. >> All oppose. Nay. Unanimous. Thank you. All right. Report and recommendation of the city manager. >> Good afternoon, mayor and council. We have two items to today. Um the first of which is the downtown mobility study and the active mobility plan. We have Barbara Godwin with transportation here to present this item and I think maybe Margaret Tartala is here to assist. Um and they're going to tag team this one. Thank you, madame manager. Good afternoon, mayor and council. My name is Barbara Godwin. I'm the bike and pedestrian program manager here with the city's transportation department. I'm joined by my colleague, Margaret Tartala behind me. Uh Margaret Tartala leads our mobility strategy group and has been my co-lead on the active mobility plan. So, we're here this afternoon as a followup from the October 14th work session. Uh we had consultants from our team at tool design and Kimley Horn join staff to present uh very detailed overviews of both the downtown mobility study and the active mobility plan. So today's presentation will f will address the follow-up information that city council requested at the work session specifically around um some highle cost estimates that are associated with the priority projects from these plans. So, a quick agenda for you. Um, throughout the presentation, I'll review background information on the plans and the recommendations. We'll spend a lot of time talking about the big jump network strategy that will work to advance the city's goals to increase safety and access for cyclists and pedestrians. Um, and then I'll end with some recommended next steps and we'll talk through any questions that you have. So, the downtown mobility study and the active mobility plan are very coordinated datadriven planning efforts um both with the goal of enhancing safety, travel choice, and access to Raleigh's active mobility network. These plans serve as our guide to provide safe and comfortable options for both residents and visitors in Raleigh to navigate the city without having to rely on driving. These plans have been heavily informed by our steering committee members as well as businesses and stakeholders across the city over the course of 18 months of engagement. So, at that October 14th work session, our team presented a very detailed overview of both of these plans. And as a followup, again, we're here today to bring back um some very high level cost estimates for the priority projects. Um, the priority projects that I keep referring to are really categorized in this big jump network, which speaks to more of our short-term impactful investments in sidewalks, bike facilities, and shared use path across the across the city. Um, so we'll talk more about the big jump throughout the presentation. So, a little bit more background on the downtown mobility study. Um, this study has focused on tradeoffs, safety, and travel mode priorities in our downtown core. It recommends building off of our established transportation network while also um building and connecting into some of the more catalytic projects that are coming to downtown. So, a couple of example of examples of those um think like our bus rapid transit corridors, the S-line rail project. um making sure that we're integrating well with those um high stakes projects. The goal of this work is to create safer, more connected and diverse transportation options for all of the different modes of travel. Um so we want safer experiences for pedestrians, transit users, cyclists, and drivers. And then on the right here we have a couple of examples of some of the elements that have been included with the recommendations of the downtown mobility study. Um so improving um curbside access to transit as you can see here with the dedicated bus lane and then activating pedestrian spaces like we have here with the streetery. Um this one is on target street. So, while the downtown mobility study has focused um on the downtown core, the active mobility plan has evaluated connections across the entire city. Um so, this plan provides a method for prioritizing sidewalk and bike facilities that safely connect to destinations that people want to get to. Um, so think of transit access, um, parks, greenways, schools, job centers, and really just trying to establish better connectivity to those places that we know people want to go. So, this plan, uh, serves as a combined update to our 2016 bike plan and our 2013 pedestrian plan. It's meant to bring both of those existing plans under one updated document. um and really focused on providing projects, policy recommendations, and program recommendations that will support the upgrade and expansion of our active mobility network. So, the implementation strategy for the active mobility plan is this big jump of projects. Um this big jump has been prioritized based on several criteria. We'll talk a little bit more about that, but um some of those different criteria include safety, transit access, equity, destination access, and then just overall connectivity. Um so the goal of the big jump is to build a connected network of sidewalks, bikeways, and shared use paths for uh pedestrians and cyclists to be able to navigate the city in a more seamless and safe way. So the map on this slide gives you an idea on where some of those bike and pedestrian connections have been prioritized both downtown and how they branch out and connect into the larger city. Uh the priority projects that are included on this map and then in the larger big jump network include building out new bike and pedestrian connections, but also include upgrading existing connections again with the goal of improving safety and access across the city. So in the active mobility plan, our sidewalk projects have been scored and ranked according to these criteria you see on the left of the screen. Um so those being equity, safety, transit access, and destination access. Um those criteria were used to inform the prioritization you see reflected on the map on the screen as well. So the plan calls out our top scoring sidewalk projects, which all range in scope and level of complexity to design and build. And so what I mean by that is some projects are going to be more complicated than others to build based on a range of factors. Um, so when anytime that we're working behind the curb, as we do with sidewalk projects, some uh existing conditions like right-of-way acquisition, do we need to acquire rightway? Are there storm water components that need to be factored into the design to the design, excuse me? Um, do we have to build out a retaining wall to make the sidewalk more accessible? These are all things that uh really impact the scope and cost of our sidewalk projects and can ultimately um create different timelines for the the top scoring projects. So even if they're all in the top scoring range, they could have different delivery timelines based on those factors. So, similar to the pedestrian network, um projects that have been been identified on the priority bikeway network have been ranked and scored uh using similar criteria here on the left. Um our bikeway projects also range in complexity. Um so, some projects are more simple and allow us to remain within the curb line, which tends to keep the costs lower. So, when we install like neighborhood bikeways that just require pavement marking updates or signage, those types of projects um generally are more uh are less expensive than projects where we go behind the curb to add a dedicated path. So, as we continue to work through implementation of this priority network, we will focus a lot on some of those um more simple projects like neighborhood bikeways while also continuing to work through feasibility for the more complicated projects that go behind the curb. So, throughout this presentation, I've referenced the big jump implementation of sidewalk and bikeway connections quite a bit. Um the map that you see here represents the entire big jump of projects. It covers the entire city and it covers all council districts. So it includes delivering 50 miles of bikeways and five miles of sidewalk connections. Um all of which will connect to existing greenways, existing sidewalks, and existing bikeways. And so again, ultimately that goal is to branch those connections out into destinations that we know people want to go to. When complete, the result will be a big jump in the total mileage and overall connectivity of Raleigh's active mobility network. Projects that are included on this map and within the big jump were taken straight from the priority bikeway network and the priority sidewalk network that we reviewed on the last few slides. So, this list of sidewalk projects and a map of bikeway projects can be found on pages uh 67 through 79 of um the packet of information that you have with you on the table. Um this is giving you an idea of a more detailed list of what those prioritized projects are. Um, and then I'll just add that again, while these are the highest ranking projects, the delivery timelines can be impacted by those different factors that we talked about earlier. Right ofway, storm water components, um, and then just different levels of grading that may may need to take place if we're moving behind the curb. Okay. So following up from the work session, um staff has prepared planning level estimates for the big jump network. Um as you can see, uh it's important to note that we have a variance in the cost per mile of infrastructure based on whether the project can stay in street or whether the project moves behind the curb. Um so for example again some of those in street projects can be a repurposing of pavement to create dedicated bike lanes with a buffer or a neighborhood bikeway project whereas our behind the curb projects are going to be your dedicated sidewalks dedicated shared use paths or dedicated bikeways. Um so in total for implementation of the big jump our preliminary estimates are in the range of hund00 million. These [snorts] calculations again are very high level at this point and will require more feasibility work to determine a more precise estimate. Um so the $65 million range uh for the behind the curb projects again encompasses a combination of sidewalks, shared use paths and dedicated bike projects where in street projects are primarily bikeway projects. I'll also add that these estimates do not include major infrastructure upgrades such as bridge replacements or major street widenings that would be required to get these improvements. So at this time I'll conclude um with some recommended next steps. Again these plans are all about setting the priorities um for our active mobility network both downtown and across the entire city. Um, and at this time we would uh respectfully ask for your consideration of adoption of their final reports. And I'm happy to take any questions. Thank you. >> Thank you. Any questions? Yeah, >> no questions. I just want to motion to adopt both plans when ready. >> Okay. >> Yep. >> Thank you so much for all this and thank you for bringing the money back uh question back. I know that was a what we were talking about last time and uh I appreciate it. Um in theory as we if we ac if we adopt this as we have development projects that come in there would this become part of the UDO that then they have they would be required to help us with that or how does Okay. Yes. Okay. That's thank you S. >> Yeah I will support the mobility plan and I want to thank transportation staff. I was unable to make the work session so I appreciate uh the call after. Uh just one question and I know um uh Paul Callum agree transportation uh group uh will sit me down to understand crosswalks. Um I know that we're looking at sidewalk facilities, but I just want to get a better understanding particularly in my district cuz I'm trying to understand which sidewalk projects are within a I was trying to look at all the addresses and the map. Uh but just to let my colleagues know, I'm just very curious because I hear a lot about our pedestrian safety, which we keep saying again and again. Uh but the crosswalks when there's an ADA ramp, uh the stop line for cars are here, but the curb where people walk are over here. A lot of conflicts, a lot of walkers out there. And just as we have this conversation, it's not part of this plan. I'll support it. But I want to continue to have a conversation of the hierarchy and types of crosswalks where the stop bar are is for cars to stop. And very often it's beyond where people are walking. Just want to make sure if we're truly committed to a safe pedestrian environment. To me it's critical we look at the crosswalks when there are just two lines when it's hatched. I've seen a variety and I'm trying to understand what is the approach. So certainly believe in having a robust sidewalk and bicycle facilities throughout our city. Uh I just want to make sure for the lowhanging fruit that we start taking a look at some of those crosswalks to make our walking environment throughout the city where we do have an existing sidewalk infrastructure safer. But I will support this one. And if not in this report, it's already produced. But if you can just let us know by district so when I go to my meetings I can explain exactly where are the for the big jump or the bicycle and sidewalk improvements where it is within our various districts. Don't know how my colleagues feel but to me it'd be very very helpful to communicate that message. >> Yeah, we can get you that information. >> Um [clears throat] councelor Patton and then uh move down. >> Thanks for this. Uh, we knew it'd be a big price tag, but and here it is being a big price tag. Um, but I think that was our all our sentiments at the last time was like, yes, go go go sidewalks. How much will it cost? Um, so it's helpful to know. I am curious if you can speak to you know you've you've addressed that the like complexities vary on these different projects and um obviously property acquisition take it can be a very time consuming component. Is there any um guidance we might give to residents around community organizing like if like there there are some that I saw on the interactive map that I was like oh I get questions about this probably once a month. uh you know, can I give those residents guidance to organize and think about how much of their so that they're prepared to to engage with you all on a property acquisition conversation at d in due course like what guidance can we give to residents? >> Yeah. No, wonderful question. And I think certainly as we get through more of the feasibility analysis of some of these uh sidewalk projects specifically, we will absolutely engage with the residents on that and we'll look for options um you know to create the least impactful project while also still serving the need of residents. Um so definitely we'll that will be more of an ongoing conversation that um we are happy to to continue with residents. Yeah, I guess I do have a question here about the cost. So, if it's a hundred million total and we're trying to get to this in five years, let's say, um that would be 20 million a year. What kind of uh budget do we have for this next fiscal year on this? >> Do we have any expectations? So I believe so right now I will say some of these projects may be in early stages of implementation obviously as Barbara alluded to with complexity we'll use resurfacing some of our other tools that we've got to try and deliver some of this in terms of the the upcoming fiscal year certainly that budget is in process right now and so that will be coming back to you later this spring certainly this will be one of those topics that transportation has been going to be putting forward uh in terms of consideration for funing How do we go ahead and start that ball rolling? Understanding we've got to get through some of that feasibility with some of these more complex projects to truly understand and fine-tune that that number because this hund00 million really is a planning level estimate until we get into the engineering. We're not going to be able to really fine-tune exactly what that number is going to be to deliver in total. >> Yeah. Because that, you know, the right time I would be prepared to ask for a budget note to try to see what we can implement in the next year on this project. Um, but I think I'd like to have some additional conversations with you all behind the scenes to see, you know, what is feasible and how do we move forward as proactively as quickly as we can. >> Happy to have those conversations. >> I just wanted to bring up that we can't have this conversation around pedestrian safety and mobility without raising up professor uh in CSU, professor uh Dquay Wilkins who uh tragically was killed this week uh over near NC State University. Um, so I just wanted to to raise her up. >> Is there any other questions or conversations? Uh, okay. Do you have a motion? >> Yeah. Motion to approve both plans. >> Okay. Any other discussion? All in favor of that motion? I >> I. >> All oppose? Nay. Okay. So, that is unanimous. >> Great. Thank you for your support. >> Thank you. >> Awesome. And the second item is being brought to you by yours truly, Michelle Mallette. She is here to give us an update on the crisis alternative response for empathy and support program. Yes. Yes. All right. Good afternoon. I did um thank you manager for spelling out because we want to make sure we don't use acronyms, right? We always want to make sure we spell those out for individuals in the audience as well as at their home. So, good afternoon. As the manager said, my name is Michelle Mallette. Um, as you can see, there's another name on the slide today. As Evan Raleigh is available in the back and we'll be transitioning and taking over this program moving forward. But I did want to give you all one more update. As you know, this is um my baby. But I am also joined by several other departments um in the audience as well for questions for specific programs. But I do want to note that unfortunately um our sergeant Maline her works with the police department who runs the Acorns program is homesick with a kid. So she will not be here available for questions. I would try my best to answer if you have any. All right. So I will be quick with this agenda. Have quite a few updates for you but um do not want to hold you up from all the rest of the business that you have to get done today. So we're going to go over the program components update. going to do a short update around our communication and recent engagement and a few next steps. So what are our programs that you all have authorized thus far? So one being our acorns. Yes, I am going to say them out. Addressing crisis through outreach, referrals, networking and service which is out of our police department. Our care navigation is housed in our community housing and community development department. And our third and final upunning program right now is our crisis call diversion and it is out of our emergency communications department. So what is Acorns doing? So they are almost at 5 years if you can't believe it. Um thank you to our manager and council member Lambert Milton for pushing the police department for the creation of this program. Acorns has hosted its fourth annual connect downtown series and at their most recent one in October they were able to um have 50 service providers out and they were able to engage with over 300 citizens. Um through that engagement they were able to connect them to different resources remind them of their service as well as promote all the other programs around the cares program as well. Most recently they have started to do live call response. If you recall, there was a request from you all to actually start to get Acorns to be able to take calls directly. And so, they have got a team that is assigned to 911, and we have started that direct response. That service is now available Monday through Friday, 8:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m. Saturday, 8:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. Care Navigation, one of our newest programs. If you recall, we started with the pilot strategy to get referrals directly from Acorns. And thus far we've had about 23 referrals and we like to call them success stories. Currently we have 13 active cases. So I can't actually tell you exactly where they've landed but we are still engaged with those cases right now and those individuals and families. We do have three evictions that were prevented through their outreach and service. We have one lowincome senior home homeowner who was stabilized through long-term service provider provider [clears throat] as well as one person who was diverted from homelessness and they are actively engaged with our care navigation program. We do have six closed cases after their referral from Acorns and they are either received stability, they either connected with a partner or they voluntarily opted out of connecting with uh our care navigation program. Care Navigation has also done some engagement. They've done two popup engagement events thus far. They're trying to connect people again that are either experiencing homelessness or preventing someone from experienced homelessness to critical services and community- based resources. In particular, people that are experiencing any type of mental health crisis or addiction. Um, they strengthened their collaboration. If you all recall, our Wake County continuum of care has started to get more robust and we now have a formal director there and so they're actively participating in key communities and they're focused on street outreach, emergency response and coordinated entry. They've expanded their partnerships with local landlords and they want to increase access to safe and affordable housing through the care navigation program. That was also if you call recall a request from you all at the table. So our crisis call diversion line. I am so excited to announce that we have been alive since November 10th. We actually did a soft update, excuse me, a soft live go date um by the challenge of our um council member Megan Patton who asked us, "When will you get the call takers?" So, we actually went live before November 10th, but I wasn't going to tell you all, but the public was notified on November the 10th, and they have been taking calls. They have actually diverted calls from the traditional emergency dispatch. If you recall, the goal of a crisis called diversion line is to divert our officers and different types of emergency responders from going out to calls and they are actively doing that. So, we're very excited. What you see on your screen are the actual call takers there. Um they have strategized through um what their process is going to be. We worked on different protocols and so we're really excited as they continue. And so I do not have I know you're going to ask me how many calls have they taken. I'm gonna have Dominic come up here and answer that. So, don't worry, we will get you that question as well. Um, but they have done a really good job of trying to get embedded into the culture of Raleigh and learn kind of our staff and what kind of calls we take. Another request that we came to you all, which was a money request. So, I appreciate you approving that, which was to get all of our ECC staff crisis intervention trained. And so, they are all now CIT trained. And if you recall in my last update, one of our officers was acknowledged for being a CIT trained officer of the state. And so because of that ignition and all of that um I would say kind of inertia around the program, we're almost done with getting all of our police officers trained as well. So communication and community engagement, what are we doing? So we now have official visuals. So you will see out in your community these uh emblems on people's t-shirts and different types of programs. We have pamphlets where we are updating the different resources in particular the resources that you all have directed staff to work with and we help fund as well as other different traditional and non-traditional resources for our community members. So you'll see us at community events. We've come to even some of you all's town halls. We look forward to being at the town hall on Saturday with council member Harrison. And so you will see staff all around the community with this CARES emblem. So our continued community and partnership outreach, we do have frequent community stakeholder meetings in particular with practitioners, people that serve people that are experiencing mental health uh crisis. We want to hear from them directly. What are they seeing? What are the things that we should be thinking about? We continue to work with our Bloomberg partners to look at national trends. What is the um way of the future? We are hearing more and more that some communities in particular are not being funded federally anymore. And so what does that look like? But we have made that commitment. We do not receive any federal funding. So it's an ongoing thing at the city of Raleigh is embedded in our culture as well as our budget. Our police advisory board, we have frequent check-ins with them to make sure the work that they started is also being integrated in there. And then as we said before, we do mental health community popups where they're driven by the city or we attend at the invitation of other partners. So Gelatada, if you all recall, Gelata itself, their tagline is just love on them always. And so Gelata is our platform that we asked you all to give us another dollar amount in investment here. And so we're continuing to have regular platform building sessions with Gelata. Acorns itself is probably the only program that's ready, almost ready to go to launch. And I'll show you some examples of what that's going to look like when it goes live on our site. We're continuing to build out what the care navigation program will look like, trying to define those things like diversion, people that are actively in cases. So, we're working through with it as well as the Gelato platform to see how we'll make best communicate and what that looks like. And then the crisis call diversion line as we just went live November the 10th. We want to make sure and give the time the program the time it needs before we start to build that out. But you will also see that in our gelato program. We have started to do some training accounts to push out throughout the program so staff will be prepared in order for it to launch. And then the public facing dashboard itself like I said will be in this development and we'll come back to you all when it's officially launched. So what will it look like? So here's kind of the buildout and kind of the data. We use terms like encounters. That's when we obviously has made contacts with different individuals. We try to talk about the length of engagement that we've had with individuals. Um the different types of encounters that we have might be um we left a card for them. Maybe they're not necessarily ready to engage with us yet or progress was made. We use words like successful meaning they've been connected to different resources. Um, we do also have a lot of different categories and that's why I was talking about in the previous slide about some of those buildouts that we're trying to make sure we get to for each program. We also talk about the result of that kind of service and that contact. And so here are some examples as well. And then obviously identifying in particular when we're talking about calling, connecting them with resources, we do have to identify whether you're male, female, or if you don't want that to be known or you um would like your pronouns to be left off. So this would be an example of what the dashboard will look like when it comes to you and goes live. So what's next? I know what you all want to talk about and I've saved that for the last slide because you know who I am. So, we'll continue to build on those partnerships in particular with the mental health professional community, obviously connecting with individuals with lived experience. I'll get to the next slide where we'll talk about the design of the mobile crisis pilot, which we're partnering with Wake County. And then um now that we have finalized the um comp study, the compensation study, we will now recruit and hire our CARES coordinator to work on this full-time. So, where are we at with the mobile crisis pilot? We are designing the pilot. We have finalized our operational protocols. We have identified additional partnerships and what it will take. And this will be a multi-EP departmental partnership. And so I do also want to shout out one of the partners that doesn't necessarily always get caught up for having a unit, but fire again is being a leader here and they're going to take on a location and they're also helping us with dispatching and designing of our protocol. So I do also want to give them a shout out here because they have been one of our critical partners in designing the pilot. So what does this actually mean? We have a pilot. We have designed it. We are working through our protocols. We've identified partnerships that are needed in order for us to make this happen. And we are going to try to actually launch a pilot without coming to you all for a dollar figure. So there is no ask and budget because we are going to try to work through our actual operating budgets with the county and within the city. So I do not plan to ask you all for a dollar figure. We plan to try to figure this out on our own with our own operating budgets and we think we can make this pilot happen. So the next time I come to you all we will be going live with a mobile crisis response pilot with no additional dollars. So you can hold me or Evan to it. Okay. So, with that being said, any questions? >> Yep. >> Um, I just want to say thank you. Thank you for your work. Thank you to all city staff that has played a vital role and pull pulling this off and putting it together. Um, I guess if I have one ask, um, I understand, you know, our agenda comes out on Thursday and the media sees our agenda. They decide if they want to show up or not. This is something we need to tell. This is a story we need to tell. I wish they saw enough to show up and tell this story, but since they're not, we need to get it out to our public and to the community. So, that is my ask of our communications. I will give the NNO props. They do show up consistently, but outside of that, um I guess this isn't big enough for everybody else. But thank you because this is major. >> I heard that ask and I think Robin is prepared to run stories as much as possible. So, we'll get it pushed out. Councelor Patton, did you have anything? >> Yeah. Um, yeah, I was so excited to read in the manager's update when the CCD line went live. Um, great great work. Super excited about that. Um, my follow along question is going to be when when will you be back in front of us with that mobile crisis response. >> I am not prepared to answer that question at this time. Um, I will say without calling out all the departments here, um, that it does obviously take work and it does, um, take us to get to an agreement. And so when we use the words like agreement, I'm sure you know what that means. U so we have to make sure that all parties understand who's responsible for what part. And so that does take some time. But I will say we at least have the parameters which did take some time as well. And like I said, I'm shouting out the fire department because that was a critical piece to actually understand where people would be housed and kind of how the dispatch would work. So now that we have that piece over, I'm quite certain that the other department that makes those agreements happen will will will help us get over the line, but they are doing their due diligence on both sides of the um table here. >> Well, I'm I'm sending good vibes through through the atmosphere to these other departments that need to be in agreement with us. Um I hope that you'll be back with us sooner rather than later with that. Um and then also Gelada that's a little bit more in our control. You said it's almost ready to go live. Did you say a date? I apologize. >> I did not. Um so we have to one like I said from an IT perspective again we want to make sure that it's forward- facing and so we want to make sure that platform is easy and being pushed out but all of the criteria is there. So I would love to give you a date but as I know I will be held to it. I will put it in the manager's update with a date. Okay. Yes. >> Yeah. I just want to echo, thank you, Michelle, for all your work on this. I can't wait to have you and Acorns with us at our District D hall on Saturday. If anyone would like to come, we'll be talking about public safety at 9:30 a.m., 9:30 to 11:00 at the Carolina Pines Community Center. You're welcome. >> Right. And I'll just echo this has been a big strategic initiative of this whole [snorts] council and we appreciate your leadership on it and all of those fire and uh other departments and Wake County. >> Yes. >> For partnering with us. >> All right. Awesome. So that concludes my report today. I'd just like to say these last couple of days have been really heavy for many of us. And although we might have a heavy heart right now, just remember that to the organization and to our community, we are Raleigh strong and we will always be Raleigh strong. Thank you. Okay. Next, we have the report and recommendation of the parks, recreation, and greenway advisory board. We have Steven Bentley. >> Good afternoon, Mayor and Council. I'm Steven Bentley, director of the Raleigh Parks, Recreation, and Cultural Resources Department. I do have two guests with me, uh, the chair of the parks, Recreation, and Greenway Advisory Board, Chris Perea, and the vice chair, Jeff Havner. Um, they're going to provide some remarks. As you can see in the agenda, the board did review this project, uh, came to agreement on two sections of it, and they wanted to provide some context to the third section. Um, and then I will give a presentation to the council very closely similar to what the board received and continue to pride uh provide staff's recommendation. Thank you. >> Hey everyone. Uh, I'm Chris Pereira, the chair of the parks board. As Steven said, uh, the parks board came to a decision. Uh, this is just a brief statement from the board uh, based on some feedback that I've received from board members. As members of the parks, recreation, and greenway advisory board, we emphatically believe in and are dedicated to promoting a strong greenway system in Raleigh. An intentionally built greenway system fosters a better quality of life, provides equitable access to outdoor spaces, offers safe alternatives to car transportation, and connects residents to nature and to each other. As such, the PRGAB voted unanimously to recommend to city council that it approve sections 1A and four of the proposed big branch connector along the alignments suggested by city staff. The board also voted to recommend to council that it approve section 1B of the proposed big branch connector. However, the board was unable to reach consensus on any particular alignment for that section. There are several possible alignments for the section, three that were officially considered by staff, one of which they recommended to the board and a fourth alignment that the board asked about and staff provided feedback on. Ultimately, the board had concerns about each alignment, but feels that this section of the greenway is important enough that we should convey those concerns to council with the hopes that with council's greater scope of authority and leverage over staff actions, council may be able to gather more facts and with those facts better reach consensus that one alignment is better than the others. Ultimately, the board didn't want the perfect to be the enemy of the good, which is why we still voted to recommend approval of this section in some form to the council. Uh, of the four most realistic options, two are streamside and two run mostly along pre-existing streets. Streamside west is the recommended route by city staff. It runs mostly through backyards along the west side of Big Branch Creek until needing to be bridged over the creek to reach the next section. Streamside east is a route not originally explored by staff, but which board members repeatedly asked about due to its perceived fit as a greenway connector. It would run along the east side of Big Ranch Creek, which currently is occupied by a parking lot, and then a couple buildings that are close enough to the creek that routing past them would likely require a taking of some or all of these properties. Both streetside options were explored by staff and start at the intersection of Plantation Drive and Six Forks Road. Plantation Belvin runs along Plantation Drive until it forks and then takes the Belvin Fork. Plantation Hines runs along the Plantation Drive and then takes the Hines fork. The three main issues that factored into the board's split were safety, cost, and environmental concerns. I'll mention the environment first. We have a number of ardent environmentalists on the board, people with real professional expertise. There is major concern. Hold on a second. These are sticking. There are major concerns that the streamside west alignment is within the flood p flood plane and would likely violate noose river riparian buffer rules. The streamside east alignment is also within the flood plane, but it's slightly more elevated than the west alignment and therefore was seen as potentially the more environmentally friendly of the two. Neither street side option was seen as much of a risk from an environmental standpoint. From a safety perspective, the board's main concerns lane crossings, particularly sidewalk crossings of driveways. Studies have shown that sidewalk crossings present at least some risk and danger that routes with no crossings obviously wouldn't have. Both streetside options include multiple sidewalk crossings, including of one commercial property and multiple residential properties. There are also visibility issues with a number of the residential driveways. The streamside options, both east and west, would present zero sidewalk crossings and therefore are each seen as the safest route. There was some safety concern raised about rapid flooding in this area. However, while the Streamside West alignment is likely to suffer flooding when there is heavy or even moderate rainfall, ultimately the board didn't find safety concerns due to flooding to be a compelling issue. That brings us to cost, which has been suggested should be the least of the board's concerns or not one at all. I find that to be an irresponsible suggestion. Frankly, we're all cost conscious. We all want the most extensive greenway system possible. And if we can save even pennies when all other factors are equal, we consider those pennies that can be spent on more parks and greenways. We are a city that has made wonders happen with pennies for parks after all. However, this was an area where the board frankly doesn't have the authority to conduct the due diligence that we thought was needed to make a fully informed decision. Both plantation routes will be expensive. They'll require sidewalk widening along the entirety of each alignment. That will require eminent domain condemnation of the front yards into which the widening will have to occur. Streamside West, as mentioned before, runs through several backyards, each of which will have to be taken via eminent domains since the city doesn't have a valid greenway easement along the route. City staff has also suggested that this route will come with extensive stream bank restoration and flood mitigation in collaboration with storm water, which will run into the millions of dollars. Streamside East has a few variables. I mentioned that it runs along a parking lot and a couple buildings. The parking lot section would obviously have to be taken via eminent domain as would at least the first building which is part of a commercial property. It may also require the full taking of at least one residential house. Although it may be possible to bypass the house using a boardwalk structure which obviously would also be relatively expensive. We don't know how much streamside east or west will cost and the board didn't feel that it had good estimates from city staff or the consultant involved in order to determine which route would be more cost effective. That brings us to the action that we took. I will say that the safety concerns of uh the the plantation routes, however negl negligible they may be, did make these routes less attractive to the board as a whole. Most of the discussion between board members focused on which of the two streamside options would be better, uh which were both seen as safer than the plantation routes. While there was some feeling that the streamside east might be more environmentally friendly, that feeling wasn't persuasive to the majority of the board, particularly because takings of actual physical structures might be required. Council has the ability to ask for appraisals, which the board does not. We felt that with appraisals of the properties in question and with further further discussions between the land owner land owners in question and the city's real estate office, a better cost understanding can be formed. While staff has due diligence to the streamside west option quite a bit, we don't know much about the streamside east alignment, which may be a viable alternative, particularly if the city can use a boardwalk structure to avoid some or all of the physical structure takings that I mentioned. The board felt that there was a chance that the streamside east option could ultimately be cheaper and at least marginally more environmentally friendly. And it stated before, it is equally as safe as the streamside west option. So, we felt that we'd be remiss if we simply passed on staff's recommendation of the Streamside West alignment without bringing these concerns and suggestions to council. We as a board feel that this is a greenway project that is essential to the city as a whole. This is a connector that will open up our system to tens of thousands of Raleighites, and we look forward to the many positive impacts it will have for our residents and guests. As we look to complete this decadesl long dream, our ask to council is that it is done in an environmentally friendly, cost-effective, and safe ma manner that honors the intention and purpose of our great greenway system. >> Any questions? >> That was that was a robust report. Do you have >> I just want to say first of all, thank you because uh many have tried to speak for you all and to hear you come and share your thoughts. What I gathered out of your comments um was that either side of the stream of the stream was a better option than going down plantation. So that's the first thing I gathered out of that. Did I do I understand that correctly? >> That that's where the majority of the board sits. Um I I feel like the the safety factor obviously is a really big one. We care about the safety of greenway users. We care about the safety of children. There's been a lot of you guys have heard public comment from a lot of people that refers to the safety issues. Uh and I think that that's obviously what makes the streamside options more attractive to the board members. >> Okay. And then what I gather from that one of the biggest reasons why you weren't able to tell east or west as far as the stream because not knowing the evaluation of the cost impact of does the house need to be completely taken. Um what's the impact to some of the property on the east side compared to the west side? Is that my understanding correctly? >> Yeah, exactly. Uh, you know, I mentioned that there's no valid greenway easement, so there's going to be there's going to have to be a taking no matter what. We don't know what that's going to cost. And to be fair to city staff, they can't know what it's going to cost until they actually talk to homeowners. Uh, both of the streamside options had those questions. There was even another separate sidewalk route that I didn't even mention that also potentially could be cheaper and might be almost as safe even though it has some sidewalk crossings. >> Okay. All right. So, first of all, for me, thank you. I'm glad we were able to hear from you. I knew you all been in a very tough situation over the last couple of months, but I'm I appreciate the work that you and the entire committee has done to this point. Thank you. >> Thank you, Councilman. >> Other questions? Anybody else? Okay. >> Thank you so much. >> Yep. >> Thank you, Chris. Stay close because they might has some questions for you. Um, I have about a 15minute presentation. As I shared, a lot of this is very similar to what we shared with the the parks board. Uh first, just an overview. We're going to talk about the background of the project, the alignment recommendations. Um and then we will look more closely at 1B, which uh board chair Pereira talked about a little bit. Um and then we'll talk about some things we're trying to address to help move the project forward and then open it up to discussion uh to the city council. Uh first, uh this is the uh a bond project from 2022. Uh the bond was overwhelmingly approved in uh by 73%. Um the project budget uh we consider uh the opportunity to collaborate with storm water if the opportunity presents itself is roughly $5.6 million. And note this is the only new greenway trail construction in the parks bond referendum. Um it has a long history. Um we have a long history of greenways. We've been a pioneer and um taking some big risks and some big leaps. I heard earlier the big jump. Um so the greenway master plan in 1976, 1989 and 2022 all um identified this as a project. In addition, the 2020 Midtown St. Albins's plan identifies this as a priority. And out of the 2022 uh master plan, this was the number one project out of 98. And congratulations on your active mobility plan. this project would support the policies that you just put forth as a council. Um, as far as destinations, you heard our uh, bike peg coordinator talk about destination oriented for bikes and pedestrians. This project does that. It connects parks, greenways, as you see here up on the screen, links multiple neighborhoods both to the south and to the north of 440 in the long term. uh and eventually will connect over 7,000 residents um that live within a half a mile of Big Branch Trail. Um you heard again destinations you heard uh you will have a hearing today on some greenway oriented development um text changes we are proposing uh in the long term uh between the Midtown growth. We're looking at providing connection to 3,000 uh new multifamily units in addition to 1 million uh square feet of office units and a thousand um 100,000 sorry square feet of retail. And as you know with the way u some of the people are moving to Raleigh live, they prefer not to own a car. So by investing in this greenway, you're investing in those opportunities for those people to live a happy healthy life. Um so contextually I want to share kind of the corridor itself and I'll start from the south and work from the north. The segments highlighted in green 1A and 1B are the segments in which are at the council's table today to approve if you consider that. Um and they are the ones that we are uh funding as a part of the parks bond referendum. So 1 A, 1B um and I'll go through each of these. Um, segment two is the multimodal bridge, which the council just um funded $3.5 million on your last council agenda for the design of that project. Um, as a part of our work in parks and recreation, you have asked us to seek public private partnerships. Um, and the Midtown area is currently looking at connecting um through multiple developments uh the building of boardwalks. If you have not been to the North Hills Innovation District, they are already under construction and are nearing construction of their boardwalk section which they agreed to through their zoning cases. Um, and then as you go into section four, um, that is a small section north of St. Albins's. Again, I'll cover these in detail that we are covering in our construction budget. the Raleigh transportation and storm water departments are going to work on section five and then ultimately uh above five above Milbrook Road is a feasibility study. So we are are technically stopping at Milbrook Road. So I'll go through each of the alignments. First segment A begins on Crabtree Creek. Um it stays on the east side of the creek up to Six Forks Road. If you look at that little handle kind of how it goes to the east and then gets up to Selby, that is because our uh transportation staff, our greenway staff and our engineers recommend taking um bike and pedestrian greenway users out to a light instead of asking them to walk down to a light. So that's why we uh zigg out to um Selby a little bit. Excuse me. 1B. Um I will come back to this slide in more detail. Um our recommendation as the board of chair recommended uh to you all or share with you all is to stay on the west side of the creek. Um that limits road conflicts and driveway conflicts has good sight lines. It has the opportunity to address some storm water issues that um are along big branch. Uh the survey did recommend approximately 62% of users. It has more gentle grades in both of the street routes that we looked at. uh it is a more natural setting, limited impacts on utilities and um less tree removals and other routes. Again, I will come back to this and share with council how we looked at all the different alternatives based off of community feedback. And then finally, this is segment four. Um if you look on the map, it comes out to St. Albins's. It follows um Big Branch Creek on the east side. It comes out to Hard just south of Eastgate Park. Um and it would connect into the segment five which is being funded and led by the transportation department which uh their goal is to reduce speed limit to 25 miles an hour do a road diet to have uh north south um bike movements. Um so we are collaborating and uh partnering with them to deliver segment five. All right. Now we'll come back to 1B. So, we looked at a range of criteria um everything from accessibility safety utility public input, environmental impacts. You heard about uh uh noose river buffers. Um through all of those criterias, not just in 1B, but for section 4, section A, we use these criteria to make the informed decision. Um so when we went out to the community in the spring we did had we had three alternatives that the board uh chair shared. One was the recommendation to stay on the west side of big branch. The second was to go along plantation to Belvin. The third was plantation to Hines. We did do a survey a non-statistical survey a a method of community engagement that is used in a multitude of projects across the city. We did get uh feedback that the streamside option was preferred and if you went inside the 540 belt line the number went up to 68%. So I wanted to share this uh this um we take community engagement iteratively. Again I appreciate the board. I appreciate all the neighborhoods we went with and walked uh through driveways around driveways and backyards. Um and what we heard is look at all these other options. The bo our parks board said the same thing. So, this is a list of all the options we looked at for 1B. Seven different options. Um, thanks to our our consultants at Kimley Horn. We're very timely. We're very thoughtful. We collaborated with our transportation department. The one thing with greenways is this is not an isolated discipline. We work with storm water and we work with transportation. So, it's not just park centric. Ultimately, we did recommend the streamside west option. This is a map that shows you, if you see all those black lines, those are all the different ways we look to get to 440. Uh, based off of different ideas from the community, um, and based off of different ideas from the board. Um, ultimately, again, we did recommend the western side of Big Branch Creek. Um our partners in storm water had heard uh about these um the stream issues along br uh big branch have offered up to use storm water funds to address or to mitigate. Um of course the the flooding would be harder to mitigate but we can stabilize the stream banks which we heard um are washing away from the neighborhoods. This is a before and after. You can see in 2023 what the corridor looked like and then 2024 based off of a a city project, a utility project. Um here are different options we shared with the community and the parks board. Um we did not pick one. One is kind of a layered soil approach. The other is armoring the creek with boulders and then plantings. And then we heard from the community privacy and safety. Uh this is something we know a lot about having 120 miles of greenways. We work with property owners either on them installing fence or we installing fence. We look at vegetation. And for the council's context, um we did a GIS analysis wi within our greenway system. We have 143 single family dwellings that are uh less than 100 ft within a greenway. That does not include um multif family units, so apartments and town homes. So that number would go up substantially. Again, for your context, here is an example of a home um a greenway that was built within 54 ft of a home in southeast Raleigh along Eagle Chase community. Then if you jump up to the northeast, a very popular um trail, the Noose River Trail adjacent to Falls, uh Bed River Falls community. This one's 57 feet from a private residence. And then here is another one um at the Walnut Ridge community, 41 ft from the residence. And then finally, we uh continuously heard about the safety of the manhole covers and the pipes that we we build a lot of our greenways on our sewer system. Um this just shows you that um we have them all through our system. Uh we put one up there distinctly to show you. We also um do some public art with them. Um so we are we are uh trying to address that through creative design. We can do it through uh markers and so forth, but they do exist. um and on the stream side, west side, they exist. So, we heard that feedback. What are you going to do about these and is for context for the council? These exist all through the the the greenway system. And then finally, we did receive feedback both from the community and the board on the use of um altered images. We call them renderings. They are used in almost every community engagement project in the city, not just parks. The giant building next door had a beautiful rendering. Fire stations have renderings. Sidewalks have renderings. This is the before. This is the after. Again, before and after. You can see how we we're suggesting laying back the creek. Our renderings perfect. I'll stand here and tell you no, they're not, but they are a use of technology to inform decision- making on the possibility of what existing conditions look like and what they can look like. And then finally, we heard about um flooding. And yes, our greenways flood because we build within the uh riparian areas. Uh we do have an early flood warning system, but it's not based on the greenway system. It is based on the areas of highest probability that do flood. We do have a greenway alert system if we close greenways that people can sign up for. And then finally, we manage our corridors with a staff of uh 33 full-time employees um in the greenways that are um predominantly floodplone areas. Um we do acknowledge that the green the easement that is along the western portion of big branch does not allow for a trail. Um the 1970 easement clear 1987 easement clearly says that. Um how would we engage the community? We'd have to work with appraisals. We do not have appraisals of uh the cost of the new easements. We would um work on offers and negotiation. And if the council chose um um if we don't reach agreement, it would be your choice to seek condemnation. Finally, we've been asked about budget. The total project budget, if you include the storm water funding, is approximately $5.7 million. Uh you can see it is clearly over what we have available and that does not include the cost of easement acquisition. Um we work thankfully with our uh great real estate staff and our attorney's office on the best available information. Clearly we do not have appraisals. We have to advance design to establish uh the survey widths um in which we u would like to acquire. Then we would work with an appraisal. Then uh based off of the last slide we would have to work with the homeowners. Um the dollar signs you can see here uh cra um creek side west with a single dollar dollar sign we feel like would be more most cost effective. Uh creek side east the most expensive and then plantation and belines uh fell in the middle. And then here is a schedule uh based off of the direction today um we could complete u design and permitting by uh fall of uh 2027. It would take approximately a year to 14 months to build uh the trail and our recommendation is at the bottom. The parks board recommendation is at the top. As the uh board chair shared, they recommend 1A and four to proceed. They recommended 1B in some form to proceed. We recommend maintaining the staff's uh recommendation of 1B on the west side. And that is my presentation. Okay, Councelor Harrison. >> Yeah, thank you so much, Stephen, for all that information. This has taken a lot of work for everyone involved to digest and I appreciate the work um that you all are doing. So, just a couple questions. Um I think you had something a slide that said that the Westside Stream option complies with the Noose River buffer rules, but could you speak to that? >> I can. That's uh instead of searching for it. Um, so we build greenways within flood plane areas. For context, every time we build a bridge or a boardwalk, we are in zone one, which requires NCDEQ approval. So, this would like other greenway projects we're doing would require NCDEQ approval. Obviously, we could not do it if they did not approve it. Um, again, I'll use the example of some of the uh neighborhood connections the council just approved for schematic design. When we cross a creek, we will go into zone one because those bridge buffers go within 30 ft of a noose riparian. So, every bridge and boardwalk in the park system encroaches into the zone one of the noose riparian buffers. >> Okay. And how close would we be to the creek with the westside option? >> Um, it would vary. It depends on where we were at. In some instances, we would clearly would be within zone one. >> Can you give me like an >> zone one is the first 30 feet? >> First. >> Yes. So, there are times in which we would we would clearly be within that. >> Okay. And on the streamside east option, can you just clarify? Does it require taking a building? Um, do we know that? >> Yeah. Um based off of our estimations, uh we would have to uh either take one or multiple. Um including approximately 34 parking spots. Um we did not advance design that far, but our consultants said, um if you tried to avoid the house at the end, the boardwalk would be 10 feet from their their house. >> So there could be a boardwalk option. Is that what I'm hearing? Um, I can't give you confidently without a taking that that would occur. You could, we would have to get an easement. We would have to acquire an easement just like we would on the west side. The determination is if you get so close to that house, do you are is that considered a total taking? I'm not going to get into uh city attorney's uh wheelhouse but >> she's saying yes. >> Okay. [laughter] Um, and then on the property acquisition costs, I know you have like $1, $2, $3, which um, shows the differences between these options. And, you know, I have a sense of what those numbers are um, from some of our conversations, but I'm just curious where does this additional budget again come from? Can you clarify because it's not from our parks bond? >> Yeah, absolutely. Um, so there's multiple sources. Um when projects finish um they fall into a fund balance within the parks department. Sometimes we do come in over budget just to be very clear. Uh we also have some reserves from prior years. And then we have facility fees. So it would be a um a mixed group of funding sources and it would ultimately be based off of what Marshall recommends. [laughter] You're my boss. But those are the sources that we would work with our finance and budget off to establish a recommendation to council once we come into agreement on final cost. >> And my understanding with the facility fees is that they come out of the area of the city where those have been designated. So like >> that's correct. There's four zones and they have to be spent in the zone in which they were collected. So the the growth within that area would help offset the cost of the project. >> Thank you. >> Yes. >> Okay. U Mayor Pertim Fort actually have a couple questions. Can you talk to me a little bit more about the privacy fencing and also I know you indicated that storm water is going to contribute 1.2 million, but there's still concerns about flooding. Have y'all looked at any potential plans or anything to do the additional um flooding mitigation in in addition to like the um stream bank um stabilization? >> Yep. I'm gonna phone a friend, but I'll take the first one related to fencing and vegetation. So, oftent times as we're working on the linear projects, whether it be a commercial property or residential property, we collaborate with them. They do have to stay out of the easement. Um, but we would figure out a way uh in this instance since it does flood, we would want it to be more porous. That's why we matched it with some vegetation. So, not a clear uh shield so if water does hit it. Um but we have lots of experience if you've seen uh locations along the Noose River kind of the old style picket but there's different uh designs in which we could propose and work with the land owners including vegetation that would be uh flood resilient and Wayne will handle the flood question. >> Hey Wayne, >> hope your arm is getting better. >> It is. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Wayne Milestone water manager engineering services. Yeah, we appreciate the partnership with parks on this on this project. The approximately $1.2 million that we're proposing to contribute would would be for stream restoration. Um there is a good bit of stream erosion in some specific locations, especially at the northern end of segment 1B where um there's a there's a bend in the creek and it's actually infringing in an area that's getting concerningly close to a a house structure. So, that was one that was already on our radar. Um, but as we were looking at this project, there were some other areas that were concerning that um made sense as part of the stream or as part of the greenway project to to do a a more comprehensive stream restoration project that would stabilize the banks um and and allow the flood plane to operate and store as it's originally naturally designed to do. would not prevent flooding from from occurring. Um the flood plane in this location does extend on both sides of of the bank. Um smaller storms, the bank is a little bit lower on the west side. Smaller storms would over top the bank on on the west side a little bit sooner. Um but during the large storms, it would extend to to both sides of of the bank. Um, if you look at the hundred-year flood plane maps, >> I guess my second question is, is there anything else that we can do to minimize the risk of flooding or um, in that particular area with the nine houses that would be impacted? >> Yeah. So, um, we're not proposing to change the amount of flooding, but in terms of risk mitigation, um, one of the, uh, ideas we we have a flood early warning system. Um Stephen Stephen mentioned that this is a system that stormwater staff monitor during all storm events. It gives us good information on stream gauges uh throughout this the city as well as detailed rainfall data as well as forecasting of rainfall data for every watershed. So, what that allows us to do is be predictive in terms of where concerning um areas of flooding may occur and then we work with communications and we can proactively put out communications to residents either in a general fashion or in some cases if needed specific geographic areas that may be uh a a risk of of flooding and send that to specific cell phones that are in that geographic area. So, we've not generally used that for for um greenways. We've used it for roadways. We've used it for neighborhoods and other floodprone areas. But if this was something that um we found during the design working with parks was a was a concern, that would be something we could we could implement. >> Um [clears throat] councelor Silver because he wanted to follow up on one of Mayor Prom's and then councelor Jones. Getting to Mayor Prom's question, is there a possibility of basically having a flood wall, a concrete base of roughly 3 ft on both east and west side on the west side, putting a the screening on top of that that base to basically channelize and prevent flooding? If you put on the west side, it may push to the east. But is there an opportunity or possibility of channelizing it through that section so that there would be that screening, but it would start with a I'm saying 3T, it could be lower, it could be higher that would prevent homes from getting flooded and then on the east side so that it's channelized and won't go on both sides. >> Yeah. >> So in concept engineering wise, that would work. I think what you're you're referring to is something called a levy, which is used in in in many large rivers. Um, in our situation, that would um not be consistent with our flood plane regulations. And the and the reason we don't like to put that type of levy or fill in the flood plane is it often will lead to worsened flooding either upstream and or downstream of the location that you make those changes because it takes away the storage of the flood plane and and and the storage is part of what helps buffer those large storm events. So we like to keep that storage in in place. It's a natural way that flood planes operate um and and keep any um fill or structures out of the flood plane and and those were changes that we've made fairly recently in our flood plane regulations. Last question, I'll defer to my colleague. What about the depth? Uh are you able through the state to increase the depth so it increases the storage capacity of that creek or you basically leaving it as is and just doing the stabilization on the side? Yes sir. The stream restoration as envisioned would basically keep the amount of storage the the same. It would stabilize the banks. Um if there is erosion in some cases there may be cutting of the stream and so um it could cause erosion in the in the channel of the stream and actually make it harder for the storage to to get out. So that would be all part of the engineering design of the stream restoration project to look at that. >> Council Jones. I think my questions are all for parks. So, thank you so much, Wayne. >> Thank you, Wayne. >> Um, I [clears throat] have some questions and I I really appreciate hearing everybody else's because it does uplift a lot of the questions that have been sent to me, but I have three remaining that I just want to uh go through with you. Um, number one, I'm I am really glad that we were able to allocate the 3.5 million for the multimotal bridge study. Do you have any cost estimates of what that bridge is going to entail? how much that's going to be uh to to actually build. >> Parks does not, but I asked Kenneth to sit behind me for this specific reason. [laughter] >> Good afternoon, Kenneth Richie with Transportation. So, yeah, we're estimating right now that that bridge could run on the order of magnitude of 50 to 75 million. Um, so certainly we've got the three and a half that was allocated at the last meeting to move forward design. We are anticipating as part of that funding strategy that we are going to need to look at supplemental funding sources paired with other local matches. So certainly things that we're continuing to look at, but part of getting the design going is allowing us to look at those different options and understand what the the actual cost will be. >> For sure. Thank you so much. Um, with that in mind, I think the question that has come to me is if there is not a possibility because we I understand that this will hopefully allow us to get more funding, more grant funding, and that's great. and you're a visionary and I understand that. But in the event that it doesn't happen, does this become a greenway to nowhere? And what do you feel about that? Um and how how does that work within the system? >> Yeah, I' I've heard that expression. Um if you think that everybody that is now uh Wake Town just inside the belt line now has a se safe pedestrian route to get to the entire greenway system. They will connect to Crabtree Creek. So if you get on a bike and ride on a sidewalk, you can then come down the greenway and can connect to Crabtree Creek. So that corridor um still um uh people still get access to the greater greenway system. Right now they take their life in their own hands if they want to cross Wake Forest Road or most people get in their car. Um and what we're looking at is trying to get the most people within a 10-minute walk to our greenway system. >> Great. And that ties into and thank you for including it in the notes. Um just a refresher on that industrial drive because in connection with what you just said with Waketown and all of the apartments that are on the other side behind Wegman's and all that that connection seems like it would directly connect uh a lot more people, but you guys have found that that is not um sustainable. So I appreciate you uplifting that and and talking about it. Is there anything else that you want to add about that connection? believe we shared with you in the followup the number of commercial driveways and residential driveways crossing Six Forks Road and crossing Wake Forest, which I believe is an eight lane intersection. Um, is probably one of the most unsafe routes we looked at. Um, and in order to go through commercial property, we'd have to get an easement through Wegman's. Um, if we stayed in the rightway, we're good. But I don't think Wegman's is going to look to provide an easement really quick to us. >> For sure. Yeah. Thank you for that update. And the last question that I have, um, I was speaking to Samantha Crop with Sound Rivers and she has this question and so I'm going to just read it because I don't know what she's saying, but it says, "This roughly four square mile wershed is over 92% developed with only 7% forested area. The previous conservation easement along the streamside corridor did not provide construction easement uh, I'm sorry, did not provide for construction of impervious trail. So this project would violate the terms of that initial conservation effort. That said, it is just worth noting that this is already a very built upon area with little to no conservation in place. Is the city committed to create to a greater conservation um in this area or other parts of the watershed? Um and how would that do? >> Yeah. So, well, one of the things is you've tked parks and storm water and the rest of the departments is to come up with an urban forestry plan and that will come to you next year. So, um, places that we'll look at is high priority flooding, um, equity, loss of tree canopy. So, we could address it through those routes. Uh, the other is we have this wonderful partnership with Wayne. I can't remember the number of projects, but we just had a project meeting. I'm going to say 50 to 75 gsi, green storm water in uh, infrastructure projects. Every time my staff has a capital project, I've told them, you have to prove to me why we are not doing gsi. And that is helping all these micro waterersheds. So I would say just by the elevation of our value systems as a city from trees and and how we're treating storm water, that is the way we would approach it. >> Okay. Thank you so much. >> Yes, >> councelor Branch. >> Yeah, definitely. Thank you for the information um that you provided and especially the um slides that speak to the greenways as how close they are to residents in their homes. Um I know where I live, I know some of these you're saying 30 57 feet and um 54 feet. I know where I live off of Pool Road, there's a trail behind some of my neighbors homes and I promise you it's probably 10 feet um from from where and it's just because they have a slope in the toe pole of where it is. Um and it's been there for a number of years and um we've been fortunate. No issues um other than hearing people ride motorbikes that shouldn't be on greenways going down the greenway. Um, with that being said, I definitely think with this information, at least for me, I probably need a little bit more time. So, I may not be ready today to vote on this. Um, but that's just where I am um with this project. Um, so I definitely want to say thank you for what you've presented. A number of my questions were answered, so that's why I'm I'm not asking a lot of questions on this, but I definitely want to just a little at least for me some time to dissect this. Okay. Yes, council. >> Yeah. >> Hi. Just one for me again. Yeah. Also, my a lot of my questions have been um lifted up by the others as well, but I wanted to um ask a little followup on the riparian buffer. So, you're saying that if the council selects the streamside west option, you you will still have to go to DEEQ to seek approval and they could deny it. They >> Yeah, they could say this. We we we do not approve this. >> Okay. and then and we would comply with that. Um and you mentioned that all the bridges are in zone one. I am curious are there other places where the actual pave pavement of the greenway is in zone one? Do we have enough data set to think where this is likely to be approved? >> I would have to go and look. That's a very specific question for 120 miles. Um, but I could confidently say I know sections that we are working on in Mine Creek that we are going to have to reinforce because they've washed away. Um, but um I would have to check with our team and we we could follow up. We can certainly follow up. >> Yep. Councelor >> uh I am prepared to make a motion today, but I want to respect my colleagues if they need more time. You know, I do want to say I thank uh the neighbors for the invitation. Uh were able to both uh council member um Lambert Melton and I did a walkthrough of both the east side and the west side. Uh spent a lot of time even after the fact, the two of us spoke uh to look at how it met Six Forks and uh spent some time with the neighbors to hear their points of view. Uh I am prepared. This is an important uh connection to the city. We're building a network and a network is built in segment. I don't know any city that built an entire greenway system all at once. And so you do what you have to do to build it in segments to ensure it's not just for recreation, but in today's times, people now use it for transportation and I think is very important. So I want to respect my colleagues. I am prepared uh to make a motion, but uh I'll just put that out there and see how this unfolds here at the table. >> Yep. Um, yes, >> you can go first. >> Yeah, I've just got a some comments here I want to read. Um, again, this has been a a big effort for all of us to digest and a lot of interest. Um, section 1B, as we've seen, has a multitude of pros and cons and significant uncertainties with has challenged my thinking in the decision. The pros are making progress towards the big branch greenway, which could ultimately connect 10,000 Raleigh residents with a safe non-vehicular option for commuting and recreation. As a bicycle commuter, I know well the benefits of ditching the car and getting to my destination using physical activity. Our greenway system has huge health benefits uh mental, physical, emotional, and connects our city in a special way which many other communities lack. I want residents of North Raleigh to have the same opportunities I do living near the Walnut Creek Greenway. And at the same time, the cons of this West Streamside option of section 1B are numerous. Um the area does have flooding issues raising some safety concerns. The trail would be built within the 50-foot noose river buffer, which is not a best practice, but it's not uncommon. It requires the removal of a conservation easement in the taking of nine backyards. Uh the cost of this option, I'm just going to put it out there. I think it could easily reach $10 million for a flat section of a half mile of greenway. From stabilizing the eroding stream bank to trail construction to property acquisition, this is not a lowcost choice. Unfortunately, appeals and negotiations with property owners are likely to cause significant delays. And yet, do we have another choice? That's what I keep asking myself. Um, I know parks has presented many options that all also have drawbacks. uh trails that cross driveways, paths with even higher acquisition costs, and less safe options that require navigating car traffic. In my opinion, the West Streamside option is the best bad choice we have. The other wrinkle um for this decision is the [snorts] multimodal bridge. I can argue that the benefits of the West Streamside option outweigh the costs if the entire greenway is built again connecting 10,000 residents. And yet that means we have to build a bridge across 440 which could cost up to $75 million and we're going to need some federal funding and we're going to need really consistent focus on that bridge to bring it to fruition. I do have confidence that our transportation department has that focus and that is meaningful to me. I think that could happen within a decade's time. So any decision we make today, I'm just throwing it out there. It's not a slam dunk. I'm probably going to feel bad. Um, I'm not in favor of the Westside Stream option, but I don't want to stand in the way of the potential of Big Branch Greenway. Like the parks board who didn't move forward with a recommendation on section 1B, I have been conflicted. Um, but I've come to the conclusion that an affirmative vote on the parks department recommendation is an important step towards a generational investment in our city. I want as many people as possible to get around safely and sustainably and have a high quality of life. >> Okay. Yes, councelor Patton. >> Yeah. Um yeah, so many things echoed there. Um yeah, I would say I have also been conflicted about this. I've been to visit all the neighbors on all the options and I think um you know I know for my part I have come back to you all and said what about this option and what about that option as has the community and has the parks board and you you know have clearly vetted these alternatives and you know no matter which rock we asked to overturn we're kind of ending up back in this same imperfect place and as you've said in the past all the easy greenways have been built so We we only we only have challenging decisions before us to this respect and I certainly have been torn about this challenging order of operations that if we build this then the we'll score better to get the bridge later but there's a lot of uncertainty there's a lot of factors that are out of our control related to that scoring and that future funding um but I don't want the perfect to be the enemy of the good and a few things that keep sticking for me are the nearly 120,000 voters who voted for the parks bond um in who in some form or fashion endorsed the doing of this project. And I look back at other other bonds we've run where we have not delivered the promises we made to the voters when they when they self-initiated a tax increase. And I want to be learning the lessons of even the Six Forks Road project where our our predecessors went round and round and round on redesigns and kicking different tires and and ultimately to to the failure of the whole project. And I don't I don't want uh a future council to be looking back on our decisions today with the same with the same consequences. So, I'll be prepared to support this imperfect but good and available option. Uh, yep. Uh, Council Jones, thank you. Um, this case has been a very difficult journey over the last 14 months. It represents exciting possibilities by connecting Midtown to downtown and opens up our opportunities to enhance our multimotal network for residents to get around the city. Not every decision is an easy up or down vote. being in a unique position to learn from all sides of an issue. This has been a roller coaster of emotion for everyone involved. This case feels like it's part planning and part luck. It relies on this multimotal bridge to be built that crosses 440, as we just learned, uh could cost $75 million and that has no direct funding opportunities. Approving this case will be a step in securing additional funding, but that comes at a cost that could possibly explode that budget. Um, as we just saw with the especially this district with the Six Forks Road, we we've watched the community be upset about decisions that we've made that have turned over. So, uh, if we can't find the money, this does feel like it becomes what residents feel this greenway to nowhere. So, I am not able to defend the project to the public because of many questions that are not able to be answered. Um, and so, for that reason, I will not be in support. Uh but every vote is a reflection of the community and every community member should be reflected in that vote. Um so I appreciate everyone's involvement. Um neighborhoods, thank you Anderson Forest, Crabtree Heights, um the bike network, the uh communities who are in support, thank you. Thank you so much for sharing your visions for the future and what you want to see here. Um this is not easy and I just appreciate everyone being here for this discussion. Um, so I guess Council Branch, not to put you on the spot. I think we want to respect you, but I think everybody uh >> if so, so for me, like I said, I just ask for more time if you have the votes there to move forward. Don't let you know, one loan council person stop the greenway from moving forward. Um, I will say that I do support our greenway system and I support, you know, the overall connectivity is is important that we have to have it and my reasoning for just asking for two weeks was just a little conversation on some of the things that were shared today to get some feedback from it. Um but at the same time I know we've talked and we've labored even before this came to council where we're getting emails in August you know about this. So um I'm to the point where you know one council person should never stop the show. Um, so if there's a motion taken, um, I will see where I land. Okay. But I definitely think we need a greenway that is connected. We need a greenway that works for everyone, for the entire city. Well, I'll go ahead and make the motion then to approve alignments 1A and four for Big Branch Greenway as presented by the Parks, Recreation, and Greenway Advisory Board as well as the Streamside West alignment for section 1B. >> Second. All right. Any other discussion? All in favor of the motion? I >> All opposed. >> Okay. So, that is a 52 vote. Um the motion passes. Thank you to everyone on this issue. All right. Next issue is uh matter scheduled for public hearing commercial property assessed capital expenditure program the CPACE program. >> Hello Mayor and council. Uh great to see you here today. I'm here to um bring the commercial property assessed capital expenditure uh program for your consideration. Um it is called CPACE for short. Uh I also wanted to um recognize a special guest we have in the audience, Larry Price, the E from the Economic Development Partnership of North Carolina. He's here in the back. Uh Larry has been a great partner with us helping us work through this program. So appreciate his partnership. uh he is the finance director for the economic department de development partnership of North Carolina EDPNC you'll hear a little bit more about. >> All right. So a little bit of background on CPACE. It was created in 2024 in North Carolina. It is a three-party agreement between participating uh local governments, a borrower and a third party commercial lender. It is a tool for commercial property owners to uh for qualifying improvements to their property with private funds and there are similar programs across the United States in 40 other states as of now. If the city adopts uh CPACE today, we will be one of the first local governments to do so in North Carolina. So benefits to the city and to the project. Of course, this is good for supporting Raleigh's community climate action plan implementation, and it also reduces greenhouse gas emissions. It has the potential for property value increase and also economic development benefits, as well as utility bill and energy savings, enhancing building resilience, and it's an access to a new financing tool for the community. For eligibility, any privately owned, commercial industrial agricultural or multifamily property within five or more dwelling units um are eligible. For the standards, you must go above and beyond the building code and or achieve a national model resiliency standard. And for ownership, properties owned by nonprofits, charitable or religious organizations can also be eligible. The improvements include things like energy efficiency, which could be efficient heating and cooling, uh resiliency, which could be storm water retrofits, uh green storm water infrastructure, EV charging, backup generators, renewables such as solar and geothermal, and then also water conservation and safe drinking water improvements. And this can be up to 35% of the value of the properties. So roles in this process include as I mentioned the economic development partnership of North Carolina who administers the program, private lenders who finance the projects, the local governments who authorize CPACE locally and then execute assessment agreements and many other parts of that paperwork to finalize that and then property owners who apply um and secure the financing and work with the private lenders. So with that process, it looks a little bit like the borrower and the lender agreeing to the loan terms, the EDPNC folks com completing that administrative work, the municipalities executing the CPACE lean, and then the property owner and lender recording that financial documents with uh Wake County. So for city council's decision here today, uh those steps look like adopting a resolution of intent to participate which was approved on your number November 4th agenda and then today holding the public hearing and adopting a resolution to join and then following establishment of the program in Raleigh, the city would file a lean to secure a loan repayment of an eligible project. The rights to collect the lean are assigned to the private lender for all loan activities, including potential for foreclosures. Municipalities cannot participate without the county's approval first. And so your recommended action here today is to conduct the public hearing and adopt a resolution authorizing Raleigh to participate in the CPACE program. for next steps. Uh staff will, if approved, staff will work with Wake County to pass the resolution for the R for Raleigh to participate and we will continue to work with departments and external partners to educate property owners and developers about this opportunity and learn more about all those details as we move forward. So with that, I'll move back to the last slide. So you have your recommended action here and open if there's any questions. questions for Yes. Councelor Patton and Mayor Promport. >> Um, >> hi. >> Um, I am just curious, so when so this is authorizing the use of the tool, the financing structure, if a project comes forward that's going to use the tool, does the council also approve that on a project by project basis or is it administrative? >> It is administrative and if it it will be public record. So if council would like to see visibility on those, we could we can figure out a way to do that. >> All right. Yeah. >> We can tell the city manager because I think she probably knows the answer to this question. But when does the county take this up? >> So the county will approve this um financing tool option at its December meeting. So the day before our December meeting will be their approval. We've been in conversation for the last almost year with the county to get to this point and really kind of glad that we're able to get it over the finish line. >> Well, I need to do the public hearing. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Nope. So, I will I know you're eager but uh opening the public hearing. We have no one to support or oppose the public hearing. Uh and so we will close it and councelor Silk >> thank you. Uh the recommendation now is >> at the bottom >> uh make a motion to adopt a resolution authorizing city of Raleigh, North Carolina to participate in the commercial property assessed capital expenditure program, also known as CPACE. >> Any other discussion? All in favor of the motion I. >> I'll oppose, nay. And unanimous. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> All right. Uh, next item is public nuisance abatement property leans. We have Bryce Abernathy. >> Good afternoon, Mayor Council. Bryce Abernathy with Housing and Housing and Community Development. Um, I have three nuisance leans uh I'm bringing you today that uh these were all public nuisance abments that were completed by the city and I'm asking uh council to adopt a resolution the cost incurred by the city to clean up these issues. The first was 1417 East Martin Street. It was just high grass and several large limbs scattered across the yard. Um this was a complaint. Um, 1700 Newurn Avenue was also a complaint. Um, again, it was sporadic trash and high grass and 83 813 Northwest Street was a complaint and it was high grass and some wooden pallets that were kind of left all over the lot. You have any questions? >> Any questions? Yep. >> Are any of these uh repeats? >> They are not. >> All new. We'll move to adopt the lanes. Oh. Yep. And uh just waiting to see. I don't think I have anybody signed up for any of these. And um Okay. So, I will open the public hearing for 1417 East Martin Street. I will close the hearing. Um should I do all these at once or Okay. I will open the hearing for 1700 Newburn Avenue. And I will close the hearing. I will open the hearing for 813 Northwest Street. and I will close the hearing. Um, and then is that I have somebody signed up for the next [clears throat] one so that we can vote on those three. >> Do those. That's what I would recommend. >> Move to adopt the leans. >> All right. All in favor of those motion. I >> have a second on the >> Yes. Oh, I'm sorry. Sorry. Uh, okay. I All oppose. Nay. And that was unanimous. >> Okay. Um the next item is 116 Star Street. Um this is a uh housing case that we currently have on the property. Um the complaint originated from the tenant that was living in there. Um, it ranged from a lot of uh just minimum housing issues from electrical defective electrical switches, uh, HVA system not working, missing knobs on the shower and, [snorts] uh, leaking showers, um, holes and walls and kind of those types types of issues. Um, the property owner did decide to vacate the property in September of 22 and it has remained vacant since then. um it's kind of a target for some unauthorized entry around around that area. Um the owner is usually pretty good about going out there and resecuring, but it it tends to be a a habitual kind of thing that somebody's getting into that home. Um I'm asking council to adopt a 90-day repair demolish ordinance that would essentially give the owner 90 days to decide what he wants to do with it. Um again, if he starts working on it within that time period, we could certainly work with him on on time needed. Okay. Um, we do have someone signed up on this one. Any questions before we move to the public hearing? Okay. So, uh, public hearing on 116 Star Street and, uh, no one in support. We have Sylvester Joiner here in opposition. >> Yes, >> please come on down. You got eight minutes. >> Great. Good afternoon, city council and mayor. [clears throat] Yes, this place been vacant for for some time. Uh, and I just choose to leave it vacant because of the tenants in the surrounding area because it really is not a cost efficient for me to do the work there and then they completely tear it down. So, I have three joining properties there. Um, so just right now it's the house been gutted. So, it's no one is living there but just been having tennis people continues to break in or back back and forth. But in the last couple of months, I've seen notice of not that's not happened. What I what I asked to have I have received obtain a building permit for it for it just just recently. Um and I asked for extension of some time limit instead of the 90 days at least five months. >> Okay. Um any questions? >> Yeah. >> Yep. So when you say you need some time time because it's been vacant for three years and it's been like this for three years. >> Yes. >> So what do you need additional time? >> Well like I said one one reason I don't I don't not accept it to other people business but there's been several other property right around the area that's been vacancer than this place been. And I just really see that place as just a open space there because like I had plans on intentional of doing some development in that area but like I just don't want the city to force me to to tear it down before I make my plans or what we get ready to do on it. >> So you're saying you need five months to develop a plan or to pull permits? >> Well, develop a plan. Okay. >> Yes. I got two questions. So, you said you you already obtained a building permit. Just a building. What is that for? >> For for that 116 Star Street. >> I mean, what So, you pulled a permit, but do you you don't have a plan for what you're going to build? >> Well, actually, not not for just rehabbing this place right here. >> Okay. Okay. And then my second question is if he were to board it up, would that like put boards and stuff over the windows and doors, would that suffice or >> I think we're kind of at the point where we need something else to happen with it. It's been kind of in this vac and close, vacant and open kind of limbo now for about three years. >> But if he if he put boards and stuff on the windows and doors, you wouldn't have the issue with people going in and out and some of the other nuisance po portions of it because they couldn't access the building. Correct. >> If it's It's secured. >> Okay. So, >> and and then excuse me and in the last month, um it it's been people's really is not going around there now. Uh but like I said, but it was just I had had one tenant, well, not a tenant, a vacant person coming in there to where he broke in there and he got arrested. Then when he got out, he c he came back there because just a like just like the rain, it's that's the easiest place to go to. >> But if you put boards up, that person wouldn't be able to access. >> Yes. Yes, that's correct. >> Are you willing to secure it? >> Yes, I am. >> Um Okay. >> All right. Well, I'm going to close the hearing. Um does somebody have a motion or >> for this one? And I would ask if we gave you the extension that you actually go out and secure it within whatever a reasonable amount of time. Put the boards and stuff on it so it wouldn't continue to be a a nuisance issue. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> 30 days to secure it. >> I'd say less time. It didn't take that long to secure it. >> Two weeks. >> So yeah, like 10 days to secure it and then we could give you the extension. >> Yes. >> That would be my motion. back >> to make sure it's secured in December and then we give him six months to try to figure out what the plans would be would be my motion. >> Yeah, but we Well, we could do that in December. So, we could give him till December to secure it. Then when you come back in December, we could give you the extension for 6 months if you can show us that you've secured it. >> That sound great. >> Would that work for everybody? That's my motion. >> Okay. Is that a second? >> Second. >> Okay. Uh any discussion? All in favor of the motion? I >> I. >> All oppose? Nay. Okay, that's unanimous. Uh thank you. >> Thank you. >> To clarify, you still intend to keep the hearing closed or are you keeping it open due to the additional work? >> Yeah. Would that just be a separate item >> just for advertising purposes? >> You can close it. >> Okay. Yeah. >> So, just so I'm clear, this will come back on December 2nd. >> All right. All right. Um and then next we had uh 4,01 Virginia Street. >> So these next three properties are actually all on the same parcel. >> Okay. >> Um these are just three of the five dwellings that are actually on this parcel. Um 401 Virginia Street. Um we've had many conversations with the property owner in regards to this about him. Again, he just needs to do something. the the properties are the intent to repair the properties are is not there anymore. Um this was actually a city I brought this to city council on March 7th of 2023 because it was occupied and it did not meet minimum housing. Um and council adopted unfit for human habitation ordinance at that point. >> Three of them? >> No, just on 4001 and 409. Um this is kind of what the state that they're in at the moment. Um he has mowed the grass since then since these pictures were taken. So, um I'm asking some permits were were pulled initially and they have well expired. Um I'm asking council to adopt a 90-day repair or demolish ordinance on this one that essentially give that property 90 more days to do something with it. >> Okay. Um this is uh one where we have no one in fact for all three of these there's no one signed up for or against. So, can he >> speak to all three and then we can >> Okay, I can keep going. Uh 405, again, similar issues. The property owner actually went in, this one wasn't occupied, um but he went in to make the repairs and gutted some areas of the floor and the ceiling and pulled permits and then he stopped work. And that was um back in 2018 and 2020. Um again, I'm asking that for a 90-day repair demolish ordinance on this one as well. Um the last one, 409 Virginia Street, um similar to 401. I did bring this to council for unfair rehuman habitation in March of 2023. It was occup it was occupied at that time. Um it's remained vacant since then. No repairs have been done. Um there are a lot of structural issues with the porch and just a variety of minimum housing issues going on inside the property. Um I'll be asking council for a 90-day repair demolish on that. Okay. Uh, any questions before I'll go through the three hearings? Um, okay. So, opening 401 Virginia Street, public hearing and closing. Uh, opening 405 Virginia Street, public hearing and closing. And opening 409 and closing. I move to adopt an ordinance to authorize de demolish of the units unfit for habitation dwellings if unrepair are not complete if if repairs are not completed within the 90 days for all three Virginia street properties. >> Second. >> Any other discussion? If not, all in favor of the motion I. >> I. >> All oppose? Nay. And that is unanimous. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Okay. Next, we have a petition annexation AX 2725 uh 8215 Leville Road in District E. Good afternoon, Mayor and Council. My name is Jacob Hunt with planning and development. Um before you today is AX 2725 8215 Leville Road. This is approximately 14.3 acres um zoned R4, that's residential 4. And the proposed use um under an approved subdivision would be for six single family homes um if brought into the city. Um surrounding uses include Diesel Road High School and residential uses. This is located in an unincorporated county pocket shown here and then zoomed out slightly to see the broader context of uh the location. Um this site is within your recently approved um annexation boundaries that were reviewed. Um utilities are available off Leville Road um both water and sewer. [clears throat] Current zoning as I said is R4. The future land use map um anticipates this to be moderate scale residential uh with some public facilities, the high school I mentioned and institutional uses. Um this is a slightly um hilly site but no flood plane is present. Again uh currently forested. This is the street view looking south on Leville and looking forward to the north and that's it for any questions. >> Uh thank you for this. I don't know that I have questions, but I just wanted to give some context. Can you go back to this one before the street view, just the um yeah, this one just for context, everyone, that square down there, that's the one we just approved um a few weeks ago, and this was their concern. So, those houses that were um right against there that came out to speak, their concern is this uh project adding to the that remember if it has that small creek on site. So, I just wanted to give that um context so we know exactly what we're looking at. Um I did go through financially this has a really positive impact on the city 10 years out, which is great. Um I just wanted to note that there are some fire concerns. Um but I also wanted to highlight that it mentions our mutual aid with Durham because they are on that list as well. So, uh this is one of those that has the pros and cons in context, but um over overall I think it's it's a good project. So, I just wanted to share my concern, my thoughts. >> Okay. Any other questions? Not I will open the public hearing on uh Leville Road and close. >> Do we have a motion? >> I did. Hang on. I'm trying to pull this up. This is I can just say right. I move to approve petition annexation AX 2725. >> Okay. Any other discussion? If not, all in favor of the motion, I >> I. >> All oppose, nay. And that is unanimous. Next, we have uh AX 2825 petition annexation for Ponderosa Road. >> Yeah. Um again, this is uh 5910 Ponderosa Road. Um zoned residential R4, approximately 4 and a half acres. um a subdivision um has been applied for for this site that would create 26 single family home lots. Um the surrounding area is a variety of different residential uses and zones and again is also located in an unincorporated county pocket as you can see here. And this is also within the eligibility map that was approved. Uh utility um there's utilities for water and sewer essentially surrounding this site. Um current zoning R4 future land use map indicates lowcale residential. Um again no flood plane on this site either. Um currently forested with a single family residential home on site today. [clears throat] Uh and here is a view of the site looking south on Ponderos Road and the view from Milbrook. I will say there is an assessment due upon annexation for this site. Um the applicant has been aware of that. That's about $4,600 for sidewalks. Happy to answer any questions. >> Oh, sorry. >> Yeah. Were there any questions? [snorts] >> I have no one in support or opposition, so I'm going to open the public hearing and close the public hearing uh for Ponderosa Road. Sir, a motion. >> Whose district is this? Move for adoption of annexation of Ponadosa road in district A. >> Thank you. Y uh all in favor of that motion? I. >> All oppose, nay. And that is unanimous. Thank you so much. Next we've got resoning Z2325 on6002 Gorman Street. >> Good afternoon. Hannah Reco planning and development. So this is resoning request Z232562 Gorman Street. Uh it is a single parcel about 3/4 of an acre in size. Currently zoned R10 with a special residential parking overlay district. They're requesting RX4 conditional use. Uh keeping the overlay. Um I'll I'll note it's my understanding the applicant has some interest in adding conditions um which if you would like to consider those um would mean the this hearing will have to be opened and continued to a future meeting for you to uh accept and act on uh any new conditions. So I will um present the case as it is in the agenda. So um site context um you can see uh NC State campus u off to the northeast of the site uh aan fairy corridor off to the east as well generally a residential uh area. Zooming in, um, you see it's at the corner of Bert Drive and Gorman Street. And again, you get a sense of the range of housing that currently exists in this area. There are currently two proposed zoning conditions. One that would uh cap the total number of dwelling units to 40 and one that would cap the maximum building height to 50 feet. So, normally under the the UDO, RX4 uh could build up to 68 feet in height. a look at existing uh versus proposed. Uh the current zoning is a residential district. They're requesting a residential mixeduse district. Um so additional housing entitlement um additional building types permitted and a small amount of non-residential would be permitted uh if it is in the corner unit of that apartment building type. The request is consistent with the comprehensive plan uh consistent with the future land use map designation on the site which is mediumcale residential. And here are some of the consistent policies with this request. A couple inconsistent policies uh are just for um fire response time standards. The planning commission recommended approval 7 to one. the one um opposing vote. You can see um some some thoughts from that commissioner here. So, with that, I'm happy to answer any questions you have. >> Okay, questions? If not, I will open the public hearing on 16002 Gorman Street. And we have Isabelle Maddox here uh in support. >> Yes. Good afternoon, members of council. Um, I'm here representing the the property owner of this case. Um, I have been in contact with council member Harrison about a uh relocation assistant condition. We have submitted a condition. It wasn't it can't be considered by you today because of the timing issue. So, what I was hoping we would do today is you maybe keep the uh keep the public hearing open, bring it back on December 2nd. I'll be prepared to present my presentation um at that time if that makes sense. >> For timing sake, I don't know if you're prepared if you want to do any presentation at this time, Isabelle. >> Um it's up to you. >> Yeah, I mean I can I have a presentation, but I thought we would do it in advance of maybe a closer to a vote, but I can do it either way. Um, >> well, uh, mayor and council, I'd also recommend if we're going to hold it open that she we allow her to do the presentation when she comes back so that she has the time to get the amended condition submitted and include it as a part of her presentation. >> Okay, great. >> Yeah. I mean, I I think I probably allude to it here, but it's not official that y'all can consider that today. >> It's It has been done. I've been back and forth with council member Harrison and the city attorney's office and we think we gotten the language the way they want it. Um, and so I think we're in good shape, but >> All right. Uh, pleasure motion. >> Just if I can say one thing, Isabelle, I do want to say thank you for changing your colors. This is easier to read. >> Well, I agree. >> You missed the green. >> Plus, I mean, who doesn't like that color right? >> What? You missed the green. >> This is just [laughter] easier to read. >> Yeah. The best of the colors. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Um, >> is she going to speak? Because I had a question. I didn't know there was another condition you were going to present. >> No. >> My understanding is you're going to present because I >> No. >> No. >> She's not present. [laughter] >> Wait. >> Yeah. I mean, January. >> I was planning that maybe I would wait, but I I haven't. If you want me to. >> We can just motion to hold till the afternoon of December 2nd if that works. >> Yes. >> Okay. That's my motion. >> Okay. Second. >> Uh, all in favor of the motion? I >> I. All opposed. All right. So that is unanimous and we will see you back. >> Thank you. >> Second. >> Yes. [clears throat] >> Okay. And the next is uh reszoning Z2525101 North Bloodworth Street. >> Yes. So this request is also to reszone just a single parcel. It is small. It's just under one/10enth of an acre. um currently zoned R10 uh with the Oakwood um HOD and the uh New Burn Edon NCOD. They are requesting an X3 with a detached frontage and conditions keeping both of those overlay districts. So context on this one, you can see on to the west and south uh is kind of downtown um state uh capital uh and other um museum um landmarks. It's kind of on the the cusp between where downtown becomes more residential going east and north. Um zooming in on the site. Um this is at the corner of North Bworth Street and East Edon Street. There is one proposed zoning condition which would prohibit some uses normally allowed in uh neighborhood mixed use. Uh you can see those listed here. Um a look at entitlement. Because of the small size of the site and the inclusion of detached frontage, the residential entitlement really doesn't change much. What does change is the uses that are allowed uh on the site. So, this would um allow commercial uses such as office um personal service that aren't currently allowed uh on the site. [snorts] The request is consistent with the comprehensive plan, consistent with the future land use map designation, which is neighborhood mixed use. It is um inconsistent with the urban form uh guidance, which generally wants to see more of an urban uh frontage. The detached um is is considered more of a suburban frontage. uh a number of consistent policies um for this one. Um uh touching on kind of the mix of uses that are are permitted in the request, the location uh to future um BRT um and then some inconsistent policies. Again, just touching on that one frontage policy point. Um the RHDC reviewed uh this request and recommended approval uh 9 to2 and the planning commission also recommends approval 7 to one with some thoughts from the one dissenting commissioner here. Happy to answer any questions you have. >> Questions? Yes. >> Um question. Can you kind of um give some clarity on transition yards? um what's normally the requirement and how it will impact this property going from Nets right next to residential. >> Sure. So, uh, transition yards, um, as a requirement in the UDO required where mixeduse districts, but residential districts, um, it, uh, depends a little bit on kind of the surrounding context exactly what is required. Uh, generally at least um what's called a zone A is required. So some at least 10 feet of of distance um between the that shared boundary with the residential district. >> Okay. Um so how would this because I don't think this is 10 ft from the boundary line district from seeing it. So what how would they mitigate that or would they have to go before board of adjustments? So if um the owner here would were to come to the city with a development plan, they would have to show that they could meet that requirement, >> but only at development if they were to tear down and rebuild. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Otherwise, it's you it's non-conforming, right? >> Okay. So otherwise, it just be non-conforming. Okay. Thank you. >> I'm not sure you have this. I'm sorry. No, I I >> Yeah, Hannah, I don't know if you have because I was looking at the future land use map and I know I received a lot of feedback about precedent. Uh but I don't know if you have this in your chart cuz when I looked at the future land use map, uh the in both sides of Edon, it looks like the recommendation is for neighborhood mixeduse. Uh and I think that is why the planning commission at least you know 7 to one said and staff reports said it was consistent. Uh again I don't know how over time uh cuz it could have been when I was here that both sides were neighborhood mixed use. So I'm just trying in my head. Do you have a copy of that future land use? >> I don't know that I have that in a slide but to maybe just reference the zoning map. Um there's this is on the edge of the central business district designation. So the maroon you see on the zoning map roughly aligns with um that designation. And then >> here it is. Okay. >> This parcel, >> it's the wrong case, isn't it? >> Going east uh on the along the north side of Eden uh Edon Street and then south um several blocks is uh neighborhood mixed use on the future land use map. So, it's part of a a larger area of of enter, >> right? I I just have it now. Um because I just want to be clear that in the future, it seems that if anybody comes in with a zoning request, I'm going back to the future. Okay, I'm on the right case now. I had uh the Gorman case. [sighs] Uh now, this is future language map, right? So, I'm looking at both sides of Edon. um it abuts a central business district uh to the west and to the south and it is a neighborhood mixeduse designation along both sides of Edon. So when I you know hear concerns the edge of Oakwood all the property on both sides uh could potentially come in for a quest for neighborhood mixed use. And I guess after we decide this case, my recommendation was to I know staff has a lot to do, but to see whether my colleagues would consider exploring that quarter because this can be repeated again and again since the applicant is coming in with the case consistent with our future lenu's guidance. So that was kind of my my concern. So you don't have the map so I can't really refer to it so others can see it. My second question is knowing there is a HO historic overlay district and a neighborhood conservation overlay district, how does that impact what can be developed? Because I'm assuming both the neighborhood conservation overlay as well as historic places limits on what can be done here. Can you kind of summarize what those limitations because this isn't just a straightforward NX3. it's has two overlays that the applicant would have to abide by those codes as well. >> Sure. Yeah. So the the HOD um really broadly would mean new development and in most cases would be reviewed by the RHDC. Um, the NCOD applies additional um, uh, additional restrictions on development, and I'd have to pull them up to remember um, summarize exactly in this case. Um, but it'd be part of the zoning review of any new development that came through. >> All right. Um, we do have a public hearing with a number of people signed up. So, is there any other questions or do you want to go ahead and Okay. All right. So, I will open the public hearing on 101 North Bledworth Street. We have in support Michael McKay. Thank you, city council. And thank you especially to Raleigh City Planning, Arthur Cashwell, Matthew Burns, and Matthew McGregor were very uh helpful in their expertise in assisting us navigate this process. Uh my name is Kyle McKay. Our goal is to reszone our property at 101 North Bworth to be able to use it for my wife's interior design business, Lauren McKay Interiors. There's my wife right there. Uh the 2030 comprehensive plan, [clears throat] excuse me, is the key policy document that helps make Rally workable, livable, and prosperous. This plan provides the vision and strategies for Raleigh to prosper and grow as a modern 21st century city. Section 1.3 of the 2030 plan states land use provides a framework for all development related decisions. It is the critical foundation upon which all their sections are based. The future land use map here is a crucial part of this plan. So you were requesting the future land use map. Um this is the future land use map. Um [clears throat] and it shows the zoning for 101 North Bworth and the surrounding areas. And uh as was mentioned that Edon corridor there which is a frequent area transit corridor uh has been identified by the planning committee as um best zone for neighborhood mixed use. I'll leave that up for a second. So reszoning this property for both residential and business use will help bolster many of the 2030 plans stated vision themes for Raleigh such as economic prosperity and equity. Our goal is to create more jobs by expanding our family-owned, Raleigh owned business. Managing our growth, reszoning this property will give the property more integrated land use, and our business will help meet the residential space design needs of our growing community. Coordinating land use and transportation. Rally planning commission's motion to recommend approval for our resoning stated the resoning request would allow homes and small neighborhood serving uses within walking distance of frequent transit and downtown helping to reduce automobile dependence and associated emissions. Greenpint Raleigh sustainable development. We will be using the exist existing structure for our business rather than tearing it down. [clears throat] growing successful neighborhoods and communities. This goal, vision goal, also ties into another Raleigh 2030 plan economic development goal, which is neighborhood reinvestment. And this vision theme for the 2030 plan is really one that we're most interested in and we most align with. We did hold two neighborhood meetings as part of this resoning process. Uh some of the key concerns that we had brought up were a general opposition to resoning in Oakwood with concern that this resoning might set precedent for more reasonzoning, concern about increase in parking, and concern about the property being sold to someone else who may use it for a different purpose that the neighbors don't want. Uh the general feedback that we got at the meetings um [clears throat] was well some of the feedback was that they didn't mind what we wanted to do with the property but they're concerned you know that someone down the road could use it for something that they didn't like. Um this is photos of the property. That's our son Jack. We're in the middle of a renovation of the property inside and we painted the exterior. Um, after those meetings with neighbors, we worked with the city to develop conditions on the property to limit the commercial use, by and large, excluding anything other than office or retail use. We also identified parking lots in close proximity that we intend to use for all of our employees. These are some of the parking lots. The uh property there is in red. As for preserving the character of Oakwood, the first thing we told everyone at these meetings was we have absolutely no intention of tearing down the house and and if reszone, the property will continue to remain in the historical overlay district and the neighborhood conservation overlay district, which will ensure that the property continues to adhere to the high standards that historic Oakwood maintains. Um, I've got a few comments here just from the September 23rd Raleigh Plan Commission meeting that I thought were relevant and they probably said it much better than I could as far as the reasonzoning goes. Uh, commission member Brian O'Hver said, "I live on Bworth Street. I've lived here for over 20 years. Just on North Bworth Street, you have Lewis Cher's office. You have the Rewind Shop. You've got a salon. You've got Side Street Cafe. Further into the neighborhood, you have Smoke Stack. And that's not even going across Edon Street. All the businesses are on South Bledworth. I know these businesses because I frequent them and I walk by them daily. I believe the fact that this resoning would have to go through the certificate of appropriateness process is why I'm comfortable supporting this. I understand the neighborhood. I live here and quite frankly I don't see an issue with this proposed resoning. Commissioner Mark Shelurn said, "I live in Oakwood for 15 years on Bworth Street and that's where [snorts] I first own a home, also brought a daughter home there, raised her. I personally don't see anything wrong with this proposal." Commissioner Dwight Otwell said this reszoning coincides with the future land use map which I think is significant. I don't think a community is just residential units. It requires all kinds of businesses to make it a really thriving community. I don't think these small businesses threaten the fabric of a community. In fact, especially locally owned businesses are instrumental to the strength of a local community. Excuse [clears throat] me. And Commissioner Brian Bernett said, "I think what the applicant is doing is representative of what Raleigh is about. you have a small business that's looking to increase their business, moving into a neighborhood that already has commercial businesses that is not looking to change the facade of the structure that's also going to be an asset to the community. Um [clears throat] Tyler Jones, who's our uh pastor, we go to Vintage Church, he's lived on Har Street, just a few blocks south of the property for about 20 years. Um Vintage Church is uh in Moore Square, just a couple of blocks south of the property. He couldn't be here today, but he wrote a letter that I shared with city council. Um, I'm just going to read a couple things, not the entire thing. Dear mayor and members of the Raleigh City Council, I'm writing to express my sincere support for the resoning request. I do I do so not simply as a neighbor and resident of Raleigh, but as someone who has known the McKay personally for many years and seen firsthand their character, integrity, and genuine care they bring to the life of the city. Kyle and Lauren are longtime Raleigh residents, deeply rooted in our community and have demonstrated a sustained commitment to contribute to the well-being and flourishing of the neighborhoods they call home. The McKay's are exactly the kind of small business owners our city benefits from. Their desire to use 101 North Bworth as a small business location aligns well with the city's stated direction for that area. [clears throat] Lauren, my wife, has lived in Raleigh since 2003. She attended state and Meredith. I'm from Durham and moved to Raleigh when [clears throat] we got married in 2008 where we lived on Har Street. Our parents [snorts] and siblings live in the area and we're a family that's committed to Raleigh long [clears throat] term. Excuse me. Ever since moving to Rally, we've had a lot of admiration for Oakwood. Uh, you know, that's my wife and her employee, um, Mela Weaver. Um, we're excited about the opportunity to be part of Oakwood. We don't want to ruin the character there. We want to have a greatl looking house on the corner. Keep it a house and have people walk by and say, "Wow, that's a great looking house in Oakwood. What a great neighborhood." My wife's passion is interior design. She got into this work because she has a vision to help people turn their homes into places she loves. And that's what we want to do for clients in the Triangle area. [snorts] Um, running out of time. This is my wife at a green chair event. They're a great Raleigh local organization that we support. And uh that's my son in Oakwood at the Halloween house. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Okay. Next, we have uh the we have five people signed up for in opposition. Kristen Spancake, Chris Crew, Matthew Brown, D Penman Crew, and Mark Spancake. And y'all have eight minutes combined. So, hello. [clears throat] Thank you for the opportunity to speak. My husband and I live directly next door to 101 North Bworth with our two children and make up one of the many families on our block. We moved to the neighborhood over 10 years ago seeking stability and community. And yet here we are fighting upzoning all around our home. Upzoning is a slippery slope which leads to even more upzoning. The more businesses that are allowed to assume otherwise residential homes in our neighborhood, the less voices there are to advocate for its preservation. Spotzoning like this deteriorates the character of Oakwood, which attracts families. And believe it or not, cities need families. Families bring stability and lower crime rates due to the investment they make in their children's safety. 101 North Bworth did not sell quickly simply due to its listing price. Similar properties sold within 1 to four months because they were listed appropriately. If noise were truly an issue, none of the surrounding homes would be inhabited by residents. There are currently several commercially zoned houses on Edon that are vacant in addition to the many commercial vacancies throughout the city. In fact, Triangle office vacancies have reached their highest level since 1979. Reszoning 101 increases commercial inventory while residential inventory in Oakwood remains low. Finally, this request does not support the transit overlay district. It does not increase housing along its corridors. It is by appointment only and much of their business is conducted offsite. What it will do is increase parking issues. Both of the parking lots that they have pointed to are slated for development and remove a perfectly good residence from an already tight housing supply. >> [snorts] >> Please do not let us become another historic office park like the areas of Glenwood South, South Bworth, and Person Street. I urge you to oppose the resoning of 101 North Bworth. Thank you for your consideration. >> Okay. And then we have Chris Crew. >> Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Uh Mrs. Penman crew will not be able to attend this afternoon. So I'm going to take a few minutes of of her time too. The the character of Oakwood is residential, not business. That there are uh businesses in Oakwood. They are primarily clustered in what were historically business areas in Oakwood. Like the rest of Raleigh were corner grocery stores, butcher shops, a sundry store. So, you know, calling this out as business in Oakwood, it doesn't quite fit. Thought zoning and this is another case of the city council time being taken to correct problems with business plans through zoning changes. You're devoting too much time to that. There there are other things, you know, better than spot zoning to spend our time on that. There are as as have been mentioned uh you know commercial properties available just around the corner. So you know I I urge you to protect the neighborhood character of our neighborhoods and historic districts and vote no to this. Thank you. >> Thank you. Um Matthew Brown. Yeah. >> Good afternoon. Thank you for your service and thank you for letting me speak. These applicants seem like lovely people, but they could sell the house in a month and we have lost a residence forever. We hear constantly that Raleigh has a housing shortage. And meanwhile, we have all these empty offices and empty storefronts all over downtown Raleigh. So, why does the city want to Why does the city continuously turn Oakwood homes into offices? Other cities are turning offices into homes. The excuse is the bus rapid transit, but nobody is going to ride the bus to go consult their interior decorator. We all know that's crazy. Around the corner at uh 7 Northeast Street, that was an affordable rental house for decades. And a few years ago, it got upzzoned to OX and became a hair salon. But nobody rides the bus to use that to go to the hair salon. They turned the backyard into a parking lot and we lost our neighbors. Raleigh is valuable as a I mean Oakwood is valuable as a neighborhood. We uh hosted over 6,000 people for Halloween. Uh children from all over the city came. We spent months putting up scary displays all over the neighborhood. And um some neighbors spent over $1,000 on candy to give away. Uh, a neighbor spent $3,000 to hire offduty cops for security. It was a beautiful experience for the children of our city. And December, we'll host 4,000 people for the Oakwood Candlelight Tour. And um, thousands more will just walk or drive through to see the decorations. In the spring, thousands will come to see our gardens or attend our uh, the Oakwood Garden Tour. We have u tourists every day of the year. We have uh horse and buggy uh tours. We have walk guided walking tours. The races come through Oakwood. The uh charity runs. Uh we try to be an amenity for the whole city. We work very hard at that. And so it is heartbreaking and puzzling why the city go our own city government wants to turn us into an office park. Blunt Street has grander, more important houses than Oakwood, but um the tourists don't like it because it's not a neighborhood. It's mostly offices. Uh Raleigh doesn't have a whole lot of tourist attractions. Um we don't have a a historic riverfront or water or a lakefront or mountains or Builtmore House or Bill Street Jazz District. We have historic Oakwood and we try very hard to be worthy. Um, we have some neighbors here, but uh not not too many could come uh because, you know, they have full-time jobs and kids. Um but they did come to the two official neighborhood meetings and they came to the planning commission hearing and they heard the planning commission vote against us and they're sort of feeling that the deck is stacked against us. Um so please I ask you to um show them that that is not true. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. And then do we have Mark Spanake here? No. Okay. So that concludes the speakers. Uh, and I will close the public hearing. Yes, councelor. >> I have a question for um Mr. McCay. I don't know if you're represented by um legal counsel. If not, I'll direct the question to you. [clears throat] >> Yes, sir. >> Yeah. Mr. May, you said several times that you do not, you and your wife do not intend to change the structure to keep it the way it is. My question is, is there a reason why you did not offer that as a condition? I think a lot of the concerns people are hearing is that, you know, they certainly see you and your wife and your family, uh, but the concern is once it's reszoned, it's reszoned in perpetuity until someone resones it again. So was there any reason why you just you did not offer a condition that and you mentioned it several times and I kept saying it's there it's not in the condition. So can you uh >> Sure. Uh we did we had three conditions initially that we presented to the city based upon the city's feedback we removed a condition that basically said what you are saying right now. The city said that I think it was two things. One, even if it's reszoned, the property can be uh demolished and rebuilt. So, you know, you can't put in a condition that says, you know, it's going to be a house forever because they just told us we couldn't do that. >> Uh we would have gladly done that. Um, probably other people here know that much better than I do. >> Get clarification on that. Yes. So, I'm going to see where the attorney's office can clarify that point. >> Just going to offer. Yeah, there was some discussion early on in this case um about the offered condition language and some um you suggested edits or changes were provided. One of them was the option of removing the condition and that's the um option that applicant um took um on the quest >> I guess the question is is is it a lot of time passed since I was here so I'm trying to understand were the applicant to offer a condition that they are keeping preserving the principal structure as is that is not permitted as a condition I'm just trying to understand what the prohibition would be or why it would not be allowed as a condition. >> Good afternoon, Jennifer Ashton, city attorney's office. The that type of condition would take some thought from our office on how to structure that. The concern with telling an applicant that they would have to keep that property as is in perpetuity. Obviously, there's shelf lives to buildings. So, at some point in time or if there was some natural disaster that tore it down, um we would want to make sure that any restrictive covenant would be fair in allowing them to rebuild on their property and not lose those property rights that other property owners would have. So if council is interested in our office exploring that type of restrictive covenant, some way to preserve the massing of the building probably would be the way I would suggest doing it. Maybe the size, the height, put some restrictive covenant in place on in that event um to maintain that neighborhood character. Um we can definitely look at that if that's the desire of council. >> I can't speak to my colleagues, but that's certainly from my perspective. Um because as I'm hearing the applicant, their intent, you're right, you can't control any property in Oakwood should it, God forbid, there be a fire or other natural disaster. Uh but clearly the applicant is trying to state they want to keep the home in character with the district. And I mean at least I'd be open again I cannot speak for my colleagues to see whether because I would you based upon the consistency and uh the votes from both the historic district commission and plan commission I was willing to support the case. However my one concern was you know could it be torn down and rebuilt which I'm hear some of the fear if it's staying as a principal structure the building stays the same but the uses could either be residential or commercial it gives the owner options. So from my perspective, yes, I'd be looking for that. But again, I don't want to speak for my colleagues. I'm speaking for myself. >> If I can just offer in that vein, since since you did ask previously about the NCOD, um wanted to circle back to what those um requirements are for this area. So for the the Newburn Edon um NCOD, it includes a maximum building height of 35 ft. uh front yard minimum setback of uh 25 ft maximum of sorry minimum of 10 feet maximum of 25 ft um and then uh minimum building separation of 10 ft. So NCOD is part of review of any future development as would be the HOD. >> Any other questions or discussion? No, I I just first of all I want to thank the applicant and thank those that came out to speak um on this case. Um I think this case has highlighted council some things that going through comp plan review. We need staff to look at and to try to figure out um you know what's appropriate as we move forward. Um Raleigh has changed. Raleigh continues to change. Society continues to change. building codes change. Um, but it's the people that make Raleigh important. It's what the people do, how the people live, all the things that I feel are are needed. And that in lies conflict sometime between someone wanting to grow a naturally homegrown business and a community that wants to stay naturally homegrown. Um, and that makes it challenging for us here on council. Um but at the appropriate time, um I will make a motion. Um if there are no other questions from council members, >> any other Yep. Councelor Patton, did you want to >> Yeah, I'll just um say that thank thank you all for your application and your effort. I know when you're a lay person who doesn't do this every day, it's a kind of a herculean effort to go through the process. Um so thank you for doing that. Um, however, I I am very compelled by the challenge of taking housing stock offline. You know, we have a housing shortage. I do think if this I was looking at some of the pricing history. I do think if it had been priced lower, it would have been sold to to people who could be living in it now. And I would like to see homes be used for people to live in. Um, because we do we do face a housing shortage. So, that's where I'm at on that. Right. >> Okay. >> I'm going to make a motion. >> All right. So, I move to adopt the proposed consistency statement dated November 18th, 2025 contained in the gender materials and to deny the zoning amendment. >> Second. >> So, you're you're moving to deny. Okay. All right. We have a second. Okay. All in favor of the motion to deny I. I. And then all opposed. Okay. So that motion to deny passes and the designoning does not go through. All right. Yes. >> When staff was presenting uh and council member Branch did say something. Um, the applicant did show the future land use map and I want to be clear whether now or during the conference and plan update process is that both sides of Edton allow for the type of resoning request that we just denied to be brought forward again. So I just think that is something whether we defer to the comprehensive plan but just to prepare my colleagues that is the future land use guidance we're offering the public to submit to be consistent and so for us to be consistent I think we need to take a look at that corridor and if there is some concern about the stark overlay district or neighborhood conservation overlay district then uh we have to take a hard look on that neighborhood mixuse designation because that is the guidance were giving the public to follow. So that's all that I'm saying. Um didn't know how this case was going to go. Uh but whether we defer it to the reflecting Raleigh update or deal with it short term, uh I don't think we've seen a lot of these cases presented to us uh on Edon. But that's just something I'll put out there. I don't think we need a motion. But I'm just recommending that based on the vote here uh I think council speaking loud and clear as we look at the Eden corridor uh as we look at the future land use map update in the future. Thank you. Okay, we have one final item for public hearing that is text change TC325 greenway amendments and we have Justin Romea. >> Good afternoon madame mayor and council. Justin with planning and development. Uh this is TC 325. It is a text amendment to the UDO with a suite of changes related to greenways. It is being brought forward to you uh essentially to align the UDO with some recent changes to the greenway master plan uh that occurred back in 2022 um and a comprehensive plan amendment um late last year. And again, the intent really being to align um the regulatory framework in the UDO with those recent policy changes was authorized in May of 2024 and again the comprehensive plan amendment was adopted in November of 24. There are three main focus areas um of the text change as you can see here. first is aligning easement widths with the updated uh greenway trails map. Uh there are some developer incentives for actually constructing greenway trails and finally some administrative changes that um intended to better clarify when those dedications are required and the process for doing so. You can see the easement dedication here in yellow. That would be the new language. um would require either a 50- foot or 75 foot easement uh dedication depending on how the trail is designated on the comprehensive plan map that you see to the right of the slide. The developer incentives um include an allowance for a reduction in that easement width to down to 30 feet when the trail is actually constructed as opposed to just uh dedicated. There are also some incentives you see here for constructed trails to count towards minimum open space requirements for developments that have those requirements. um compact and conservation subdivision developments, for example. Um that would consist of a multiplier bonus that would be um allow two and a half times the area of the easement to count towards open space requirements. The administrative changes uh they're shown here really just intended to clarify that the dedications apply only to what are called tier three site plans. Those are for more intensive developments. Um but they could apply to both residential and commercial projects. Um contrast that with the existing language today where it only applies to residential site plans. And then finally just a an addition of a requirement for a deed of easement when the green uh easement is dedicated. Um and as you can see that is common practice for other types of easements that we uh acquire. And that is all of the changes. Um, happy to try and answer any questions. Also have staff from parks and recreation here if you have questions for them. >> Great. Thank you. Have questions. I see councelor Patton. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Um, I am curious if there are is there like a case that is the thing that sort of catalyzed us to thinking we needed to make these changes? or is there a case in the hopper that if passed today will come forward soon that would utilize these changes? >> I don't think the changes are driven by any one case. Um this I think was the result of a long process of the update to the greenway master plan and the comprehensive plan. So I think it's it's just been a long time coming with parks and recreation kind of updating their their um future plans. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Well, uh, we do have a public hearing to conduct. We have one person signed up for opposition. So, I will open the public hearing and invite, uh, Andrew Tatterol, if he is here. He is not here. Okay. All right. I will close the public hearing. Is there a motion or conversation? >> I'm ready to make a motion, but I'll see if there's a conversation. >> Go for it. Okay. Uh, >> you have to read the statement. >> I am trying to it's I'm trying to get through the uh I'm looking at right. Thank you. I move to adopt the proposed consistency statement dated November 18th, 2025 contained in the agenda materials and to approve the zoning text amendment. Second. >> All right. All in favor of the motion I. >> All oppose? Nay. All right. So that passes unanimously. Thank you. That concludes our public hearings. Uh and next going to reports of the various committees. Um I'm just going to say that it doesn't seem like we have any reports to be made. Is there any? Okay. So we will then jump to the report of the mayor and city council. Um I will start with councelor Harrison. >> Yeah. Just a reminder again, we will have a District D town hall meeting this Saturday, November 22nd, um from 9:30 to 11:00 at the Carolina Pines Community Center. The topics are uh public safety with a focus on acorns and um affordable housing. And I just want to uh again extend my um wishes for everyone in Raleigh, everyone in our area to to be safe out there, to take care of each other. Um, if you know anyone who's struggling, you know, talk to your neighbor, make sure they've got what they need, and um, yeah, we're going to take care of each other here. >> I want to thank all the residents that came out last night to the District C meeting at Lions Park. Um, I think it was a good conversation um, that we had um, by all. Um, I received some comments back, those thanking for having it. Our next district C meeting will be in January. Um, I'm working on a date and a location um because I can't use community centers come January per email we received. So, um, yeah, we can't in the new year um, use community centers. So, I'll be looking for a new location um, to have it. I do ask that if we can continue based on the public comment today about public public private partnerships, if we can just try to make sure we share and highlight that information. We do it in transportation. We do it in parts and wreck. Um I know housing is involved. Um so I think it's just helping residents understand the different opportunities that exist um depending on the level of interest that they have as far as our public private partnerships. And as we all get ready for our those that celebrate the upcoming holidays, please be safe. If you travel, look out for each other. And this coming Sunday, I hope Councilwoman Stormmy Fort has a great holiday. [laughter] >> He called it a holiday. >> It's her birthday. >> Um, all right. I just have a few updates. Our next district E community meeting will be held on Wednesday, December 10th at La Cuchina Italian restaurant from 6:00 to 8:00 p.m. Uh, our decoding democracy book club will meet on Saturday, December 13th from 9:30 to 11:30 at Panera Bread on Glenwood Avenue. I was not able to secure a reservation for our time at Oberlin. So, we are pivoting. I hope to see you all there. We will be finally moving on to Article 7. Uh, big shout out and I'm sorry, Mr. Matthew Brown is not here, but big shout out and thank you to Preservation Raleigh for a wonderful Sunday afternoon with their toilet tour. It was a great partnership that brought so many people out to talk about Raleigh's water treatment history and a fun way to look at old toilets in the city. So, also shout out to Raleigh Water. Ed was great. He was fantastic. Um, and then lastly, >> yes, our historic water ambassador for sure. Um, uh, lastly, I just wanted to mention an initiative that I started maybe like a week and a half ago called Beyond the Drive. As we noticed that we have a lot of nonprofits in our community who might be suffering from funding shortages, I realized we all have connections with neighborhoods that we work with. And so I started contacting both and I currently have eight neighborhoods signed up to just have ongoing communications with nonprofits and say, "How can we support you? Is it volunteer? Is it donations? Is it drives?" And by putting them directly in communication with the nonprofits, they're beginning to build those relationships and it's been beautiful. Over the last 24 hours, I've been reached out by three some nonprofits in some neighborhoods outside of my district who want to participate. So if you are hearing this and you want to do that, please email me at christina.jones Jones at raleighc.gov. I'd love to expand the network of support for the nonprofits in our area, especially in times that we're uh going through right now. So, please reach out. Thank you so much. Well, I'll just say um I think it has been a stressful day and a stressful maybe, you know, 48 hours um with federal immigration agents here in the community, but it has shown us, I think, uh just building on councelor Jones, your effort, just uh how many uh incredible leaders, people who care in this community, who are helping each other every single day. It also makes me incredibly grateful for all of our public safety personnel who keep us safe every day and um just how strong and safe this community is. So, um, Councelor Silver, >> I don't want to steal Mayor Prom's thunder, but I want to thank her for holding a forum, uh, at Chavis a couple of weeks ago, uh, focused on a lot of issues about planning, development, housing, uh, in Southeast. It was a packed house, uh, and had a great conversation. There are a lot of passionate pe passionate people who are very concerned about the future of this city. Uh followed on with one wake this morning to see how we can be better partners going forward on affordable housing. So I just want to thank the mayor prom for putting that form together and uh really facilitating what was a a great session filled and packed with passion. That's my report. Um, yeah, PL plus one on the historic toilets tour and huge shout out to Mr. Ed Bucken who has made everyone in Raleigh interested in the history of water and wastewater in our city. Um good good things that we did through our consent agenda today are that we um created an interlocal agreement with 911 Charlotte and I just as always like we worry so you don't have to and being expecting the unexpected is is our jobs and and interlocal agreements like this equip us to um respond to unpredictable situations and so I'm always glad to see that type of resiliency added to to all of our systems. Uh, we also lowered speed limits in the val on Valley Stream Drive and in the Headingham area. And then I wanted to highlight the work of our parking staff to balance the real uh mobility limitations and needs of a homeowner uh while also improving line of sight safety. I just think that really like direct like one-on-one constituent work that we do is is unique to city government and you do all do it so well. So, thank thank you all. [clears throat] Um, yeah. and then just a a hearty dose of love to our community that uh has been feeling stressed for the past 24 hours. And we wish them well, but we are really glad to see um all the community organizations that have stepped up in support. We're we're a strong and connected community and it's always heartening to see that. >> Thank you, Council Member Silver, for uh being a panelist and along with Evette Holmes, uh James Monu, and Toro was an excellent conversation about um planning development gentrification and a lot of the things in Southeast Raleigh. Definitely want to thank the residents that came out and um gave us their passion uh comments about all of those things. And also thank uh my policy analyst Emily Leapel for all the behind the scenes work that she did to pull that together. And uh thank you Council Member Branch for the early birthday shout out. >> Okay. Uh, next we have appointments. All right. Um, appointments. First is board of adjustment, one alternate vacancy. No nominees that will be coming back. Next is design review commission, one alternate vacancy. Council member Harrison nominated Chris Tushet and Council Member Mayor Pertimfort nominated Michael Alderman. So, both of those names will be coming back. Actually, I can talk to him about the board of adjustments and so maybe if he is willing to slide over then we but I'll have Emily follow up with you and let you know and we'll just send an email to council maybe just switch that. >> So we'll do a tenative board of adjustment. Um >> I was going to say just nominate them now. They can do two boards and if you need to pull them down from another one, you can. >> Okay. Well, let me let me switch Michael Alderman to board of adjustments, but we'll follow up and talk to him and make sure he's interested. >> Okay. Thanks. Um and lastly under appointments is um police advisory board one reg regular vacancy the attorney slot mayor protoport nominated Antoine Marshall so that'll be coming back. >> I had to twist his arm so [laughter] but yeah but he is agreeing >> can I co-nominate with you? All right, co- nomination there. Nominations. Um, two here. Fair housing advisory board, two regular vacancies. Resignation has been received from Cassandra Hexl. Um, additionally, the term of Mary Hall is expiring. She does not wish to be considered for reappointment. So, you have two coming back there. Parks, Recreation, and Greenway Advisory Board. One regular vacancy. Term of Kate Dixon's expiring. She wishes to be considered for reappointment. >> Move to reappoint. Yeah. Um second. So all in favor of that motion. I >> all opposed. >> Snooze. You lose. >> All right. And then the fair housing Damian Goo had been right. Uh hadn't he been nominated previously and then withdrew himself. We had >> Yes. Um I also spoke with um the chair Dquant Copeland. So I'd like to reach out to her before I make that before you do anything. But thank you. >> Thank you. Trying to fill those slots. Okay. uh report and recommendation of the city attorney. >> Thank you, mayor and councel. Uh first, before I get to my report, I'd like to uh highlight the recent closing on the sale of the site for the future Omni Raleigh Hotel that occurred on November the 7th. This transaction marks a major milestone in advancing the 600 room, 450 million hotel development that will support the expanded convention center and further strengthen the economic vitality of downtown Raleigh. While there were many people that were involved from the city manager's office, the complex, finance and transportation among others, I wanted to take a moment to especially recognize senior deputy city attorney Brandon P, who served as the lead from the city attorney's office. Brandon was instrumental in navigating the many complex legal and contractual aspects of this transaction and his guidance was critical in ensuring that the city's interest was protected throughout the negotiation and closing process. I'd also like to acknowledge former senior associate city attorney Janie Richardson for her early work in advancing the project and senior associate city attorney Jennifer Ashton for her work to get the project over the finish line. This has truly been a team effort years in the making and it's exciting to finally see the vision moving forward for the city of Raleigh. >> [applause] >> With that, I'll move to uh my report regarding Raleigh Commission for Persons with Disabilities. At your last meeting, you posed two questions. Uh first, can non-residents be permitted to serve on the commission? And then two, can commission members be exempted from the six-year service limitation? Just for um background and context, uh as you know, on July the 1st, 2025, the council adopted changes renaming the mayor's committee as the Raleigh Commission for Persons with Disabilities and aligning its procedures with those used for all other city advisory boards. This alignment means that appointments to the commission now follow the same process used for all other boards and commissions as well as as well as those appointments are by the full council and that the commission is subject to the same city code provisions and council guidelines as other advisory boards as it pertains to the residency requirement. Currently, you have uh a city code ordinance uh 1-402, which states that all appointees to city boards and commissions must be city residents unless the ordinance established in the body states otherwise. Certainly, for uh as we understand it, there are some members of the what is the former mayor's committee uh that um may not be city residents. When you made the change, uh, that did not automatically impose the resident re requirement on current members, but certainly would impact all future appointments made by the council that they be city residents unless the council is inclined to uh make a change and adopt an ordinance. You currently do have two boards that um allow non-resident resident members. Those are your parks, Recreation, and Greenway Advisory Board and your Raleigh Convention and Performing Arts Center authority, which allows up to two members from Wake County. And I do apologize as it relates to your parks, recreation, and greenway advisory board. It allows up to five members in the ETJ. So, what we included in the packet, if the council is so inclined, we did include a draft ordinance that would allow uh non-residents who work in Raleigh based agencies or organizations serving people with disabilities to serve and it would pose the non-resident impose a non-resident cap of no more than onethird of the commission membership. Additionally, as it pertains to the term limits, uh currently you allow three consecutive two-year terms for a total of six years up to six years. Um again, if the council is so inclined, you could make a change to that as well. Certainly given your recent action with your ad hoc committee to try to uh create consistency among your boards and commissions. It's not necessarily something that we recommend, but it's certainly up to the council if the council is so inclined. With that, that concludes my report. I'm open for questions and direction. >> I will just say that uh Mayor Pertim Fort had to exit. So for the for the point of the record, uh she left before this vote happened. So we now have six members of council here and she's on excused absence. All right. Um well, as the liaison to the com commission, I'll kick it off on the discussion. I think hearing this information knowing that the commission members all kind of began a new appointment on August whatever and and can proceed with their six years. I'm I'm disincclined to to grant term limit exceptions at this time knowing that they have up to six years to build their bench and I do acknowledge that this is there are uniquenesses to that commission and should the years begin to pass and we feel like we need to make the exception and a future council can do so but given all the work of the ad hoc task force I'm not inclined to grant the exception instantly after we just agreed to streamline um But we will we do need st maybe staff to bring us back a plan for how we'll stagger them so that we don't have all uh 12 or how many of our commissioners members there are aren't all up for reappoint at the same time in two years from today. So we'll leave that to you all to bring us back and plan for how to massage that. I will say historically with inaugural boards, which logistically we're kind of in my mind treating it like that, half of the members would, you know, get a three-year term, half would get a two-year term. So that way when they roll off, that's what we did with, you know, Hispanic community engagement, I believe. That way half of them will roll off um and not all at once. So that would be the direction we're headed. If you guys have any other ideas, please let us know. and we would propose to do that when we get to the [clears throat] two-year mark versus doing that now unless that is the interest of council. >> I have >> Go ahead. >> I have a question. If we do that, are we going to count their next two years towards that sixth year? Yes, their two years started um in >> July, July, August, whenever the change. >> Yes. >> So, in two years to when they all come up, that's at >> that I think we should do I think >> it would be better if this council determines who's on a two-year and who's on a three-year. >> Okay. >> Um and that way it sets everything in motion in the future. Okay. So I would say if we could have something I know there's Thanksgiving in the way but I would say at least by the first meeting in January that we can look at >> to to vote on unless you can have it by December 2nd >> like a suggestion of the who's going to get two and who's going to get three. >> Yeah. And I see our clerk is coming down. Uh perhaps a way forward from this impass, we will take the current roster and we will randomly draw names for the three-year terms and the other for two-year terms. >> Yeah, I think >> and we'll bring that list the results of that random drawing we'll bring back to council for December 2nd for consideration. >> Perfect. >> Sounds good. And then with respect to the second part about an exception to their bylaws that allows them to have a non-resident presence, I think in the memo we were provided uh the information information on tenure is still being gathered. And I I think that for me that is information I need to inform our decision. Like I really need to understand how many people historically have served on this commission from outside of the city. if if [clears throat] it's only been one, then that's a different thing to me than if 50% of their board has been outside the city for a long time. So, I think for me that's the information I would need to >> Well, >> I think I can phone a friend uh who may have that information. >> I thought I read the memo as it was still being gathered, but perhaps since that time it is gathered. >> Uh good afternoon, mayor and council. Uh yes, we do actually have some of that data. Some of that information goes back to 2009 when another staff leazison was actually providing support to um back then MCPD. Um uh some of the members actually have had about 12 to 14 years in within the now rolling commissions for persons with disability. We're more than happy to provide that information with more details to all of you as well. >> That'd be great. So that being said, some of them range between eight years, nine years, 12 years, five, seven years as well. >> And you have the res residency information. >> We also have residency information as well. >> I think that would be helpful. It sounds like the current commissioners can continue to serve their two-year term. So we have some time to digest the information and decide how we want to move forward on that. >> Okay. >> All right. So is there anything we need to do today? So, you don't want to move forward with adopting the ordinance regarding the non-residenty? You want to bring that back? What? I think we >> we just need I think await more information. >> I think we should. It's just that we would only implement it when we get ready to do reappoint. So, those that are currently there, they're there. But when someone comes off, then we the ordinance will implement the no more within oneird. Correct. If the if the council is so inclined, yes, that you could allow um up to onethird that are non residents. Yeah. >> But the question is, do you want to adopt that ordinance amendment today? Do you want to hold that till it comes back on December to understand? >> Let's hold it till December 2nd to get um some of the additional information that >> uh >> Okay. >> Yep. >> All right. >> Okay. Okay. So, no action at the moment, but this will come back on December 2nd. >> Okay. >> All right. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> And we have the clerk's report. >> Good afternoon. Your final action of the open session. Uh you had minutes from the November 4th and November 12th city council meetings uh containing your agenda materials. >> Move for approval. >> Second. >> All in favor of the motion? I. >> All oppose? Nay. It's unanimous. 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