TAMPA CITY COUNCIL IN RECESS . [ROLL CALL] >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM. >>ORLANDO GUDES: I GUESS WE ARE GOIG TO GO TO ITEM 30, 5, 22, AND THEN WE WILL GET INTO STAFF REPORTS. SO STAFF IS READY FOR ITEM 30? >>LUIS VIERA: MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU NEED TO LEAVE HERE AROUND LIKE 3:00. IT'S A PARENTS-TEACHER DAY FOR SCHOOL TODAY IN PUBLIC HIGH SCHOOLS. SO JUST FYI. I HOPE WE ARE FINISHED BY THEN. >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WANT TO BE DONE BY 2:15, 2:30. >>JOSEPH CITRO: [ LAUGHTER ] >>MARTIN SHELBY: I BELIEVE THERE ARE PEOPLE ON TWO FOR THIS. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE PRESENT OR NOT. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE IF THEY ARE. IS THERE ANYBODY ON TWO? >>THE CLERK: YES, IT'S BEEN OPEN. >>MARTIN SHELBY: ALSO TO SWEAR IN THE WITNESSES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. COTTON, ARE YOU READY? >> PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. (OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK). >>ERIC COTTON: YES. >> CAN YOU HEAR ME? >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE CAN HEAR YOU. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY. THIS ITEM IS BEFORE YOU AS A PETITION FILED BY MR. SHORTER, THE APPLICANT, FOR A SPECIAL USE FOR THE PROPERTY LATED AT 3007 FOURTH STREET. THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR DENIED THE CONGREGATE LIVING FACILITY, WHICH REQUESTED RELIEF FROM SECTION 27-132. EARLIER, COUNCIL WAS PROVIDED A COPY OF THE HEARING PROCEDURES FOR STATE REVIEW, ALONG WITH SAMPLE MOTIONS AND THE RELEVANT CODE SECTIONS. FOR PURPOSES OF TODAY'S CITY COUNCIL DE NOVO REVIEW, YOUR DECISION IS NOT LIMITED TO THE RECORD BY THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, AND CAN TAKE PUBLIC TESTIMONY, ACCEPT NEW EVIDENCE AND MAKE A DECISION BASED ON THE APPLICATION MEETING THE CRITERIA AS SET FORTH IN CODE SECTION 27-132 -- 27-129. MR. ERIC COTTON WILL PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE RELIEF REQUESTED IN THE APPLICATION, AND THE CITY'S DECISION. AFTER CONSIDERING ALL THE EVIDENCE INTRODUCED INTO THE RECORD AT TODAY'S HEARING, CITY COUNCIL MAY UPHOLD THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S DECISION AND THEREBY DENY THE SPECIAL USE ONE APPLICATION, OR COUNCIL MAY OVERTURN THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S DECISION AND THEREBY APPROVE A SPECIAL USE 1 APPLICATION. I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MR. COTTON. >>ERIC COTTON: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION. THIS IS A DECISION FOR SU-2 1-41. THE APPLICANT IS DEVEN SHORTER FOR PROPERTY AT 3007 YBOR STREET, PROPERTY ZED -- CAN I SHARE MY SCREEN, PLEASE? I WASN'T THINKING ABOUT THAT. CAN COUNCIL SEE THE SCREEN NOW? >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR. >>ERIC COTTON: AGAIN THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A CONGREGATE CARE FACILITY. CARE FACILITY, AS COUNCIL IS AWARE OF, THIS IS JUST THE DEFINITION. THE STATE PREEMPTS THE CITY FROM REGULATING THEM IF THERE'S ONE WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET. SO THEY ARE EXEMPT FROM LOCAL ZONING EXCEPT WHERE THERE IS ONE WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET, YOU NEED TO ASK FOR A WAIVER FROM THE CITY. IN ORDER TO GET TO THAT WAIVER THEY APPLIED FOR SPECIAL USE ONE. ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW IS THE CODE SECTION. A SEPARATION DISTANCE IS REQUIRED. THERE IS ANOTHER CONGREGATE CARE FACILITY AORTH 16th STREET SO AS A RESULT STAFF DENSE THE REQUEST. THE APPLICANT THEN FILES A PETITION FOR REVIEW BEFORE COUNCIL. THIS IS THE EAST TAMPA OVERLAY DISTRICT. HIGHLIGHTED IN RED IS THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION. THESE ARE THE SITE PLANS SUBMITTED, EXISTING SINGLE STORY RESIDENCE. THERE IS NO PARKING ON-SITE. PARKING PAD THAT YOU SEE IS ACTUALLY GRAVEL. AND THIS IS A FRONT VIEW OF THE PROPERTY. IT'S CURRENTLY NOT OCCUPIED. I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT HAS PURCHASED THE PROPERTY AND IS INTENDING TO REHAB TO THE OPEN THE CONGREGATE CARE FACILITY. THIS IS THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH. THIS IS THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THIS IS THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH. AND THESE ARE THE PROPERTIES ACROSS THE STREET, SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD. AND AT THE TOP, THIS IS THE END OF MY PRESENTATION. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM FOR YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DIDN'T HEAR YOUR LAST SENTENCE. >>ERIC COTTON: IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I CAN ANSWER THEM FOR YOU ALL. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU PROBABLY PUT THIS UP AND I PROBABLY MISSED IT. CAN YOU SHOW THE MAP OR SOME OTHER GRAPHIC THAT SHOWS THE PROXIMITY BETWEEN THE TWO, THE EXISTING FACILITY AND THE ONE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED? >>ERIC COTTON: BRING THE SCREEN BACK ON. HOLD ON A SECOND. THERE WE GO. SO THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION THAT'S IS ON 3204 NORTH 16th STREET. I DON'T HAVE NO HIGHLIGHTED. NORTH 16th STREET. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOUR GRAPHIC IS NOT UP AT ALL. >> I'M SORRY. IS IT ON NOW? >>JOHN DINGFELDE NOIT IS. EXPAND IT. >>ERIC COTTON: THIS IS THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION. THE OTHER SITE WITHIN APPROXIMATELY IS IN THIS GENERALIZED AREA. I DO NOT HAVE IT HIGHLIGHTED SPECIFICALLY. BUT IT IS 3200 BLOCK OF NORTH 16th STREET. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO IT'S ON THE NEXT STREET BACK AND UP A BLOCK. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: JUST FOR REFERENCE, THE PARK ON THE LEFT IS CUSCADEN PARK. WE SEE THAT BALL DIAMOND THERE. RIGHT NEXT IS 23rd AND THEN ON THE EAST OF 15th STREET, THEN COMES 16, 17, 18 -- I MEAN 16th, YBOR 16, 17, AND ALL THE WAY UP HEADING TO THE EAST. AND I WOULD IMAGIN WHAT HE POINTED TO WAS ON 16th STREET AND 24th AVENUE. THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING. BUT I AM NOT SURE. I COULDN'T SEE ALL OF IT. >>ERIC COTTON: I'M SORRY, LET ME GO BACK. HERE WE GO. YES. AS HE WAS SAYING -- >>ORLANDO GUDES: IT WAS DENIED BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY, CORRECT? >>ERIC COTTON: YES, SIR. AT STAFF LEVEL WE CANNOT APPROVE THAT AND IT REQUIRES A WAIVER FOR A SPECIAL USE APPLICATION THAT WILL EVENTUALLY BE HEARD BY CITY COUNCIL. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS GENTLEMEN? WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT. SWEAR THE APPLICANT IN,LEASE. WE HAVE GOT HIM ON THE SCREEN. >>THE CLERK: PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. >> CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE GOT YOU. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. >>THE CLERK: PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND TO BE SWORN IN. THANK YOU. (OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK). >> I SWEAR. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU. >> MY NAME IS DEVON SHORTER, J D GROUP HOME WHICH IS A PROVIDER FOR APD. APD IS AN AGENCY FOR PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES. A LITTLE BIT MYSELF, I GRADUATED FROM UNIVERSITY WITH A BACHELOR IN CRIMINAL JUSTICE. AFTER GRADUATING COLLEGE, WE HAD STARTED A NONPROFIT FOR YOUTH, NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION THAT GIVES BACK TO THE INNER CITY YOUTH THROUGHOUT EAST TAMPA. WHISTLE DOING THAT I WORKED FOR THE PARK & REC IN DeSOTO PK, AND AT NIGHT I WAS WORKING AT A GROUP HOME THAT I WORK AT RIGHT NOW. SO WE ARE HERE TODAY BECAUSE WE ARE ASKING FOR A SPECIAL USE APPLICATION WHICH WAS DENIED BECAUSE OF AN EXISTING FACILITY WITHIN 1200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY WE HAVE. WE WOULD LIKE TO APPEAL THE DENIAL BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE OUR SPECIAL USE APPLICATION SO WE CAN GIVE OUR JOBS TO THE COMMUNITY AND BE ABLE TO HELPAMILIES PLACE THEIR LOVED ONES IN A FAMILY ENVIRONMENT INSTEAD OF A BIG INSTITUTION. WE ARE ALSO HERE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS OF SOME OF THE RESIDENTS THAT WOULD NOT LIKE OUR APPLICATION TO BE APPROVED. AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE PARKING SITUATION AS WELL. ONE OF THE RESIDENTS HAD A CONCERN ABOUT SAFETY FOR HER DAUGHTER. I HAVE THREE DAUGHTERS UNDER THE AGE OF TEN. ARIANDO HAS A DAUGHTER AS WELL. SO WE KNOW HOW IMPORTANT SAFETY IS. BUT FOR THE CLIENTS THAT WE WILL BE GETTING, THEY WILL BE COMING WE WILL BE ABLE TO SIT DOWN WITH THE FAMILIES AND THE CASE MANAGERS TO MAKE SURE IT'S A GOOD FIT FOR THE COMMUNITY AS A GROUP HOME. NEXT, ONE OF THE RESIDENTS WAS WORRYING ABOUT THE PROPERTY VALUE WILL GO DOWN. I HAD TALKED TO A COUPLE OF APPRAISERS, AND THEY HAD TOLD ME RESIDENTIAL HOME.TO BE A THE PROPERTY VALUE, IT WOULDN'T DEPRECIATE. AND THEN ABOUT THE PARKING, I TALKED TO JOHN MARSHALL. HE WORKS FOR THE CITY. AND TOLD HIS US IF WE DON'T EXPAND THE DRIVEWAY AND MAKE IT AN 18 BY 18 PAD, WE WOULD HAVE TO USE PROPERTY WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF THE PROPERTY WE HAVE AT 3007 YBOR STREET, AND WE HAVE TO GET PERMISSION FROM THE OWNER SAYING THAT WE WILL BE USING THE 18 BY 18 PAD FOR PARKING. ALSO, A RESIDENT WAS CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC. LIKE VISITATION AND THE CLIENTS DRIVING, THE CLIENTS BEING IN AND OUT OF THE HOUSE. THE CLIENTS WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DRIVE. AND IF WE HAVE LIKE VISITATION, WE'LL MAKE A SET SCHEDULE SO EACH CLIENT WILL HAVE VISITATION ONE BY ONE SO IT WOULDN'T BE TOO MUCH TRAFFIC ON THE STREET. >> MY NAME IS ARENDO. I WAS RAISED ON THE NEXT STREET OVER, WHICH IS 17th STREET, ADJACENT TO YBOR STREET. I HAVE BEEN LIVING THERE FOR THE LAST 28 YEARS. MY MOM PURCHASED THAT HOUSE THERE. I WORKS FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA NEAT TEAM WHICH DOES THE NEIGHBORHOOD CLEAN-UP. I WENT OFF TO COLLEGE TO HOWARD UNIVERSITY, CAME BACK HOME, AND WORKED SEVERAL DIFFERENT JOBS, WORKED CONSTRUCTION, I OPENED UP A TRUCKING COMPANY, ALSO WORKED AT A GROUP HOME, AND I ALWAYS FOUND MYSELF COMING BACK TO THE NEED OF HELPING PEOPLE. I CURRENTLY OWN THREE OTHER HOUSES ON THE NEXT STREET OVER, WHICH IS 17th STREET. MY MOM OWN A HOUSE, MY AUNTIE OWN A HOUSE, OWN FIVE PROPERTIES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND ALWAYS FOUND MYSELF GOING BACK TO HELPING PEOPLE. RIGHT NOW I PROVIDE HOUSING FOR PEOPLE SSI, WHICH IS SUPPLEMENTAL DISABILITY PEOPLE, OLDER PEOPE, PROVIDE AFFORDABLE LIVING FOR THEM, AND ESSENTIALLY ALL WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS PROVIDE A HOME THAT'S SAFE, FAMILY ENVIRONMENT, FOR PEOPLE OF NEED, PPLEHO HAVE DISABILITY. WE ARE NOT HAVING PEOPLE COME HOME CONVICTS FROM JAIL. WE ARE JUST TRYING TO PROVIDE HOUSING FOR PEOPLE IN NEED. ALSO WANTS TO PROVIDE JOBS FOR PEOPLE, SO WE ARE DOING TWO THINGS, JUST PROVIDING, AND THAT'S WHAT GOD BROUGHT IN MY HEART, DEVON HEART, AND LIKE I SAID, THIS COMMUNITY, OUR COMMUNITY, ESSENTIALLY ALL MY LIFE I.WAS BORN IN PONCE DeLEON PROJECTS WHICH IS ADJACENT TO 24th AND 17th STREET. MY MOM BOUGHT HER FIRST HOUSE 28 YEARS AG ON 17th STREET WHICH IS THE NEXT STREET OVER. LIKE I SAID, WE ALSO OWN SEVERAL OTHER PROPERTIES AS WELL AS OTHER RELATIVES AND FAMILY MEMBERS OF MINE. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO COME HERE AND VOICE WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS? YOU -- CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THE STATE AND DISABILITIES FOR ME? I AM VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT COMMUNITY. A WHOLLY AREA WOULD HAPPEN ON 24th AVE., 23rd AVE., AND THAT LITTLE HUB RIGHT THERE. I THINK THAT IS THE A CONCERN TO THE RESIDENTS. SO I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT ARE WE PUTTING IN THAT WAS GOING THERE? BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERN. >> SO THE CLIENTS THAT I WORK FOR RIGHT NOW FROM LIKE THE STATE, NOT JUST FROM THE CITY OF TAMPA, SO IT'S LIKE HANDICAPPED -- >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CAN YOU SLIDE OVER TO THE MIKE? >> IT'S CLIENTS THAT'S NOT JUST FROM TAMPA, GOING TO BE CLIENTS THROUGHOUT THE STATE, APD, YOU KNOW, THEY ISSUE THE CLIENTS GROUP HOMES AND THE CLIENTS ARE PEOPLE THAT CAN'T TAKE CARE OF THEIR SELF AND NEED ASSISTANCE WITH, YOU KNOW, BATHING, DRESSING, EATING, PEOPLE THAT THAT'S HANDICAPPED THAT CAN'T REALLY TAKE CARE OF THEIR SELF. THEY AREN'T GOING TO BE CLIENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE IN AND OUT OF THE HOUSE THAT CAN JUST LEAVE WHEN THEY WANT TO. THEY WILL BE SUPERVISED 24/7 BY A STAFF MEMBER. ORLANDO GUDES: BASICALLY THIS IS GOING TO BE HOUSING FOR PEOPLE WITH SEVERE DISABILITIES? >> YES, NOT COMING -- LIKE COMING FROM THE INSTITUTION AS FAR AS LIKE CRIMINALS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. NOTHING TO DO WITH PEOPLE WHO MAY HAVE GOT IN TROUBLE WITH THE COURTS OR THE LAW. THESE ARE PEOPLE WITH PHYSICAL DISABILITIES. AN EXAMPLE LIKE MY GRANDMA YOUNGER SISTER. WE JUST HAD TO MOVE HER DOWN FROM GEOIA, AND WE ARE HAPPY THAT SHE'S TRYING TO FIND SOMEBODY TO TAKE CARE OF HER BECAUSE MY GRANDMA, SHE'S BEING OLD, SHE CAN'T TAKE CARE OF HERSELF, AND EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, WE HAD CLIENTS THAT WILL FAMILY ORIENTED, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TIME TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR LOVED ONES, SO WE WILL BE TRYING TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE. >> NOT OLDER PEOPLE BUT YOUTH. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT. MR. MIRANDA, RECOGNIZED, SIR. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AT THE TIME WHEN YOU APPLIED, WHEN YOU BOUGHT THIS HOME, I GUESS YOU GENTLEMEN DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AND YOU REALIZE WHAT KIND OF CLIENTS YOU WERE GOING TO HAVE AND FROM WHAT I HEAR YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CASES OTHER THAN THOSE THAT NEED ASSISTANCE IN LIVING, NOT ANY MENTAL CASES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, FROM WHAT I HEARD SO FAR. AND I'M NOT BUYING THE WHOLE THING THAT IT DEVALUES THE HOUSES BECAUSE THE HOUSES THERE ARE ALREADY DEVALUED. THEY CAN'T GO ANY LOWER. I LIVED THERE. I KNOW WHAT I AM TELLING YOU. THE FIRST PART OF MY LIVE. HOWEVER, THERE'S ALWAYS A HOWEVER. HOWEVER, THE QUESTION BECOMES THEN, WHEN DID YOU REALIZE THAT YOU HAD ANOTHER SAME TYPE OF HOUSING CLOSE BY WITHIN 1200 FEET? I HAVE HAD MANY CASES ON HABANA AVENUE THAT THEY APPLIED, AND THEY HAVE ONE HOUSE NEXT TO THE OTHER HOUSE, AND I VOTED AGAINST THAT. AND I WASN'T PROUD OF IT BUT I HAD TO BECAUSE THE LAW SAID 1200 FEET. SO WHERE ARE YOU LOCATED FROM THE OTHER LIVING FACILITY? >> WE ACTUALLY SAID 30 FEET WHEN WE GOT OUR PAPERBACK. THE OTHER FACILITY IS NOT A LIVING FACILITY, IT'S A HOME WHERE THE LADY ACTUALLY LIVES IN THE FACILITY, SO IT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF FACILITY. I THINK IT'S A DOG CARE HOME. AND I SPOKE WITH THE LADY. HER NAME IS BETH THOMPSON. WE SPOKE WITH HER. AND SHE EVEN GAVE US AN APPOINTMENT WITH LIKE THE DOG CARE HOME WITH THE LIVE-IN PER SE. IT'S A LOT DIFFERENT, FOR ONE PERSON SHE SAID TO LIVE IN THE HOME BYERS HERSELF, SHE TAKES CARE OF PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES, SHE'S ACTUALLY TELLING US THAT WE CAN DO THAT PER SE, BUT IT'S A LOT ON ONE PERSON. WE DON'T WANT TO SPREAD OURSELVES THIN JUST DOING A CARE HOME AND WE ACTUALLY SPOKE WITH THE LADY, I THINK IT'S ON THE PAPERWORK, LIKE 730 FEET AWAY. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE HOUSES, NOT ALL OF THEM BUT MOST OF THEM, YOU WALKED IN, YOU HAD THE LIVING ROOM, THE DINING ROOM, THE KITCHEN, AND THE ROOMS OTHER OTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE. AND MAYBE ONE ROOM BEHIND THE KITCHEN. I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT ONE IS. BUT THAT'S EXACTLY HOW THEY WERE BUILT. AND SO I CAN TELL YOU ABOUT ALL THE HOUS THERE. MOST OF THE KIDS THAT I WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL LIVED RIGHT AROUND THAT AREA, ALL OF THEM. >> WE ACTUALLY OWNED A HOUSE ON SANCHEZ, WE SOLD IT ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO, SIR. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ON THE SECOND FLOOR ON THIS ITEM? >>MARTIN SHELBY: I BELIEVE THERE IS SOMEBODY ON THE SECOND FLOOR. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANTS STATED REGARDING THE PARKING PAD. MR. COTTON CAN JUST CLARIFY FOR THE RECORD THE LOCATION OF THE PARKING PAD, IF THERE IS A PARKING PAD. >>ERIC COTTON: LAND COORDINATION. THE PARKING PAD STRADDLES THE PROPERTY LINE, DOES NOT BELONG TO -- IT DOES NOT FULLY BELONG TO THE APPLICANT. THE PETITIONER THAT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY. THE SURVEY SHOWS IT ON BOTH PROPERTIES. HOWEVER, WITH THE PARKING, IT'S TO CLARIFY THE ISSUE. THE REQUIRED NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES FOR A CONGREGATE CARE HOME IS THE SAME FOR A SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLING UNITS. THEY BOTH REQUIRE TWO SPACES. IT'S A NONCONFORM USE, IF COUNCIL WERE TO APPROVE THIS TODAY, BY CODE THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FOR THEM TO PROVIDE THOSE TWO PARKING SPACES. THEN DON'T HAVE THE PARKING NOW WITH THE NONCONFORMITY THAT WILL CONTINUE TO EXIST. SO THAT WOULD -- THE REQUIREMENT TO HAVE PARKING WOULD NOT BE TRIGGERED BY -- YOU THE CONGREGATE CARE FACILITY. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF I REMEMBER, SIR, MR. CHAIRMAN, PARKING, IF YOU HAD ANY IN THOSE DAYS, YOU HAD A NARROW STRIP ON THE NORTH SIDE OR THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE, WITH 70, 80 FEET BACK, FIRST IN LAST OUT, LAST IN, FIRST OUT. SO TOWED PARK YOUR CAR BEHIND THE WHO WAS GOING TO LEAVE LAST SO YOU COULD HAVE TWO SPACES TO PARK BUT ERE WAS VERY LITTLE STRT PARKING UNLESS IT WAS ALL PUBLIC PARKING BECAUSE THERE WAS A NARROW ROAD ABOUT 22, 24-FOOT WIDE, THE ROAD WAS. I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S WHAT THIS IS BECAUSE I HAVEN'T BEEN THERE IN YEARS. DO YOU HAVE ANY PARKING, ANY STRIP ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE GOING FROM EAST TO WEST? >> JOHN MARSH, HE'S WITH TRANSPORTATION FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA, AND HE HAD TOLD ME AFTER WE GET APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL, WE HAVE TO GO BACK IN AND, YOU KNOW, EXPAND THE DRIVEWAY OR WE WILL HAVEOSE AN 18 BY 18 PAD WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET, WHICH I ALREADY HAVE ON THE PROPERTY ON 17th STREET THERE. >> AND WE ALSO CAN EXPAND THE DRIVEWAY. WE HAVE SPOKEN WITH THE NEIGHBORS NEXT TO US US, SO IT'S BASICALLY LIKE YOU SAY, WE ARE A SHARED PARKING SPACE AND THE MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY PARKING SPACE IS OURS. IF YOU LOOK, IF YOU PULL UP THERE. AND WE ALSO EXPANDED, SO IT'S ONE LOT THERE, AND WE ALSO HAD ANOTHEROT TO BASICALLY HAVE THE TWO PARKING SPACES ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS? MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED SIR. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY TWO THINGS. NUMBER ONE, THERE WAS A STATEMENT MADE, AND I JUST WANT -- I WANT THE RECORD TO BE CLEAR ON IT, BECAUSE I DO HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE WITH THAT AGENCY, AND ALSO IT APPEARS TO ME, I THINK I SAW YOUR APPLICATION, BUT I THINK IT WAS STATED THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY FOLKS WITH MENTAL DISABILITIES. AND I JUST WANT YOU GUYS TO CLARIFY THAT, BECAUSE IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE AGENCY COULD PLACE FOLKS WITH CERTAIN TYPES OF MENTAL DISABILITIES, BUT MAYBE I'M WRONG. AND IF I AM WRONG, FEEL FREE TO CORRECT ME. >> IT'S UP TO THE GROUP HOME TO ACCEPT WHAT TYPE OF CENTS THEY WANT. THERE'S DIFFERENT LEVELS. THEY HAVE GOT BEHAVIORAL, WHICH WE ARE NOT APPROVED FOR. THAT'S THE ONES THAT NEED THE EXTRA HELP. AND THEN THEY HAVE THE ONE THAT'S UNDERNEATH IT. LIKE I SAID, WE CAN SIT DOWN WITH THE CASE MANAGERS AND THE FAMILIES TO SEE WHAT CLIENTS WE WANT TO ACCEPT. SO SINCE 2015, I WORKED WITH ROYAL CARE. MR. DAN WAS THE OWNER OF ROYAL CARE. HE ACCEPTED BEHAVIORAL TYPE OF CLIENTS. NOW I WORK FOR JOLIE. JOLIE TOOK OVER FOR MR. DAN ROYAL AND HIM AND HIS WIFE THEY ONLY ACCEPT CLIENTS THAT DOESN'T HAVE LIKE, YOU KNOW, OUTSTANDING BEHAVIOR, LIKE -- >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND I APPRECIATE THAT SORT OF NUANCE, BUT I THINK THE REAL QUESTION, PERHAPS IT NEED TO BOUNCE UPSTAIRS TO LEGAL, CAMARIA, AND IS IT TRUE THAT ANY APPROVAL OF THE GROUP HOME DOESN'T NECESSARILY COME WITH CONSTRAINTS IN TERMS OF WHAT TYPE OF INDIVIDUALS WOULD GO INTO THAT GROUP HOME? IS THAT CORRECT? CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE, OR ERIC? >>ERIC COTTON: SHE'S ON MUTE, I THINK. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: SORRY. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: I'M SORRY. ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT YOU COULD -- >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO. NO. I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE CONDITION IT. WHAT I AM ASKING IS -- AND I AM NOT NECESSARILY JUDGING THE CASE AT ALL. AS A MATTER OF FACT, I'M I'M PROBABLY VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS BECAUSE IT'S A NEED IN THE COMMUNITY. BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE RECORD IS CLEAR BECAUSE IF WE APPROVE IT, WE CAN'T TELL THE AGENCY WHAT TYPE OF FOLKS ARE GOING TO GO IN THIS HOME. THAT WILL BE THE AGENCY'S DECISION. IS THAT CORRECT? IN OTHER WORDS, THIS APPROVAL IS SORT OF A BLANKET APPROVAL, AND IT RUNS WITH THE LAND, JUST LIKE MOST OF OUR ZONING DOES, AND FIVE OR TEN YEARS FROM NOW THESE GUYS SOLD THE BUSINESS, SOLD THE PROPERTY. YOU KNOW, I HAVE A FEELING THAT NO MATTER WHAT THEY MIGHT SAY OR DO TODAY DOESN'T NECESSARILY MATTER THAT MUCH. AND I SAY THAT WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE GENTLEMEN, BUT I AM JUST TRYING TO GET A CLARIFICATION OF THE LAW. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: THAT'S CORRECT SIR. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: TELL ME WHAT'S CORRECT. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: WHEN U SA THA YOU ARE DENYING OR APPROVING THE CONGREGATE LIVING FACILITY, NOT SAY WHAT TYPE OF CLIENTS THEY WOULD SEEK. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I JUST JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ABUNDANTLY CLEAR FOR THE RECORD. LIKE I SAY, I AM GOING TO SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE I THINK IT'S WORTHWHILE AND IMPORTANT. BUT I ALWAYS WANT TO MAKE SURE THE RECORD IS CLEAR. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: I PROVIDED THE CODE SECTION OF 27-132,7-12 AND ALSO FOR YOUR REFERENCE, 27-130. THAT SHOULD BE IN YOUR PACKET. AND THE LAST PAGE SHOULD BE YOUR MOTION.% >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU. ANYONE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM ON THE SECOND FLOOR? >> YES, THERE'S SOMEONE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL. MY NAME IS -- >>ORLANDO GUDES: LET THE CLERK SWEAR YOU IN. >>THE CLERK: PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. (OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK). >> I SWEAR. >>THE CLERK: THANK YOU. >> MY NAME IS SYLVIA MARTINEZ, I OWN THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THEM, 3004 YBOR STREET. YOU JUST SETTLED THERE WITH MY TEN-YEAR-OLDAUGHR FR MONTHS AGO. I'M ALSO AN ATTORNEY AND ALSO HAVE A DISABILITY WHICH IS 50% SO I UNDERSTAND AND RESPECT THEIR DESIRE TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE FOR OTHER PEOPLE. HOWEVER, I DON'T WANT THIS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY HOUSE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THE NATURE OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE HOUSED IN THERE, AND MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES, AND I WON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH MY DAUGHTER BEING OUTSIDE WHEN I KNOW THERE ARE SIX INDIVIDUALS ACROSS THE STREET WHICH I DON'T KNOW WHAT ISSUES THEY ARE DEALING WITH OR WHAT THEY COULD POSSIBLY DO OR HOW IT CAN AFFECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. ALSO, THE FACILITY IS LESS THAN 800 FEET SO THE LAW IS THERE FOR A REASON, TO PREVENT THE MAKEUP OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD FROM BEING AFFECTED NEGATIVELY BY ALL OF THESE FACILITIES. SO WHY CAN'T THEY HAVE IT SOMEWHERE ELSEWHERE THE STREET CAN ACCOMMODATE WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO DO BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY NO PARKING IN THE STREET. I HAVE A DRIVEWAY WHICH IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THEM AND THEY ARE A NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR WHICH LIVES AT 3003 YBOR STREET, TO THEIR LEFT. HE HAS NOWHERE TO PARK. HE DOESN'T HAVE IT A DRIVEWAY. HE DOESN'T HAVE PARKING. AND THERE'S A NO PARKING SIGN ALREADY ACROSS FROM HIS HOUSE ON THE CORNER. SO HE'S PARKING ON MY PROPERTY, IN FRONT OF MY PROPERTY EVERY SINGLE DAY AND PARKING RIGHT NEXT, AT THE EXIT OF MY DRIVEWAY. SO I WAS RESEARCHING, AND THE SECTION 15-43 OF CODE OF ORDINANCES, WHICH IS PARKING, AND THERE SHOULD BE NO PARKING WITHIN TEN FTROM THE EDGE OF A PUBLIC OR PRIVATE DRIVEWAY EXCEPT SPACES TO THE LEFT OR RIGHT OF MY DRIVEWAY THERE SHOULD BE NO ONE PARKING THERE, AND ALSO NO PARKING WITHIN 20 FEET, WITHIN 20 FEET ACROSS FROM MY DRIVEWAY IS THE STREET, 25 GETTING IN AND OUT OF MY DRIVEWAY. SO IF THEIR NEIGHBOR IS PARKED ON THE PARKING RIGHT NEXT TO MY DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS BREAKING THE ORDINANCE, AND I HAVEN'T REPORTEDIM BAUS HE DOESN'T HAVE ANYWHERE TO PUT IT. SO THERE'S ALREADY A PARKING SITUATION. IT'S A VERY NARROW STREET. THERE'S NO PARKING. AND THEY HAVE NO DRIVEWAY TO ACCOMMODATE WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO PUT IN THERE. AND EVEN IF YOU PUT A PAD AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY, THERE'S STILL GOING TO BE TRAFFIC GOING IN AND OUT OF OUR STREET WHICH IS A VERY NARROW STREET, AND THE NEIGHBOR ON THE LEFT SIDE, HE ALSO DOESN'T HAVE A DRIVEWAY. HE PARKS IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE. AND WHEN THERE'S TWO CARS ON BOTH SIDE OF THE STREET, THERE'S NO WAY TO GET THROUGH IT. SO IT'S A SITUATION, IT WAS TUAL I THINK NEGATIVELY -- [BELL SOUNDS] >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. THANK YOU. THANKS SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYBODY ELSE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM ON THE SECOND FLOOR? >> THERE'S NO ONE ELSE. NO, THERE'S NO ONE ELSE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY REGISTERED TO SPEAK? >> NO ONE IS REGISTERED FOR THIS ITEM. >>ORLANDO GUDES: GENTLEMEN, YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO REBUT. THE APPLICANT? >> LIKE WE SAID, THE PARKING SITUATION, THOSE PEOPLE WITH NO DRIVEWAY HAS NO BEARING ON WHAT WE HAVE GOT. WE HAVE SHARED PARKING SPACE ALREADY AND WE PLAN ON BUILDING OUT ON THE PAD. SO OTHER NEIGHBORS OUT THERE HAS NO BEARING ON US. WE CAN'T CONTROL THAT. THAT'S OUT OF OUR CONTROL. ANOTHER THING, I SUBMITTED SOME LETTERS FROM NEIGHBORS IN THE AREA WHO HAS NO PROBLEM WITH WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO, AS WELL AS GOT SIGNED PETITION FROM OTHER NEIGHBORS IN THE AREA WITH THEIR PHONE NUMBERS, AND YOU CAN CONTACT THEM. I SPOKE WITH THEM, AND THEY KNOW ME, BECAUSE LIKE I SAY, I'M FROM THE AREA. AND THIS IS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S NOT JUST OURS OR HERS. IT'S OURS AND IT'S A COMMUNITIES WHERE WE ARE JUST TRYING TO FILL A VOID WHERE I KNOW THAT PEOPLE NEED. I HAVE A COUSIN RIGHT NOW WHO IS 28 YEARS OLD WHO IS IN TAMPA GENERAL HOSPITAL, PLAN TO SEE WHO IS IN NEED, BECAUSE HE HAS DIFFERENT DISABILITIES, OUR COUSIN AT 24-YEAR-OLD BECAUSE HE HAD DIFFERENT DISABILITIES THAT HE WASN'T CATERED TO. THIS IS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO. WE ARE NOT TRYING TO BRINGING ANYTHING TO THE COMMUNITY THAT DON'T NEED TO BE THERE. LIKE I SAID, FELLOWS WHO WENT OFF TO SCHOOL CAME BACK HOME TO A COMMUNITY WE KNEW, WE GREW UP IN. ONE OF YOU GUYS SPOKE OF CUSCADEN PARK. THAT'S WHERE I GREW UP PLAYING YOUTH FOOTBALL. I WENT TO TAMPA BAY TECH, LETO HIGH SCHOOL, CAME BACK HOME, GRADUATED FROM OHIO UNIVERSITY TO A COMMUNITY THAT I JUST WANT D ASSIST. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST FOR THE RECORD, MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY. THE DOCUMENTS THAT WERE REFERENCED BY THE APPLICANT, I JUST WANT COUNCIL TO KNOW I HAVE DISTRIBUTED THOSE TO YOU, AND THEY ARE IN THE RECORD, THE LETTERS OF SUPPORT, AND ADDITIONALLY WHAT'S ALSO IN THE RECORD ARE E-MAILS THAT HAD BEEN RECEIVED AND FORWARDED BY MR. COTTON AND HIS OFFICE. THAT ALSO WAS PROVIDED TO THE CLERK. THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVE TO CLOSE? MR. MANISCALCO MOVED, CITRO SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR? OPPOSED? CARRIED. ALL RIGHT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: AGAIN, THE MOTION HAS BEEN PROVIDED, SAMPLE MOTIONS. THEY HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO COUNCIL. >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK WE LEFT WITH MR. CARLSON, CORRECT? SO IT'S MR. CITRO'S TURN? >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIRMAN, I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS. COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER MIGHT BE BETTER TO READ THIS. >>ORLANDO GUDES: LL RIGHT, MR. DINGFELDER. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, SIR. BEFORE I MAKE THE MOTION TO OVERTURN THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S DENIAL, I JUST WANTED TO PREFACE, I THINK THESE TYPE OF SMALL, VERY SMALL GROUP HOMES ARE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. THEY DO FILL A VOID. I HAD A STEPBROTHER WHO RECENTLY PASSED FROM COVID AT THE AGE OF 70 SOMETHING AND HE SUFFERED FROM MENTAL ILLNESS FOR 50 YEARS AND HE WAS IN GROUP HOMES AND VERY CARING PEOPLE. AND I JUST THINK THEY ARE APPROPRIAT I THK IT'S BETTER WHEY ARE SMALL LIKE THIS. I THINK THIS IS LIMITED TO FIVE BEDS. AND AS FAR AS THAT STREET IS CONCERNED, JOE AND I ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE STREET BECAUSE WE DELIVERED MEALS ON WHEELS FOR OUR ROTARY CLUB UP AND DOWN THOSE STREETS. THE PARKING IS BAD BUT IT'S BAD FOR EVERYBODY. A LOT OF THOSE HOMES DON'T EVEN HAVE DRIVEWAYS. I THINK MR. MIRANDA, CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG, BUT PROBABLY BECAUSE MOST OF THE PEOPLE DIDN'T HAVE CARS BACK WHEN THOSE LITTLE CASITAS WEREUILT ANYWAY, I FEEL FOR THE YOUNG LADY ACROSS THE STREET. BUT I'M SURE THAT ONCE THIS OPERATION GETS GOING, AND I AM GOING TO ENCOURAGE THE GENTLEMEN TO REACH OUT TO HER, MAYBE BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING, AND I GUESS THERE IS NO SECOND READING, BUT JUST REACH OUT TO HER, AND I THINK YOU HAD TWO OR THREE OPPOSITIONS, YOU KNOW, INTRODUCE YOURSELVES, LET THEM KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND GIVE THEM YOUR PHONE NUMBER IN CASE THERE'S EVER ANY ISSUES AND THEY HAVE SOMEBODY DIRECTLY TO CALL. I CAN'T MAKE YOU TO DO THAT BUT I ENCOURAGE TO YOU DO IT. WITH THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN, IN REGARD TO SU-1-21-41, 3007 YBOR STREET, I NOVEMBER OVERTURN THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S DENIAL OF SPECIAL USE APPLICATION WITH THAT BECAUSE THE PETITIONER HAS DEMONSTRATED THAT ITS PETITION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE APPLICABLE GENERAL STANDARDS SET FORTH IN SECTION 27-132 AND 27-129, AND MORE SPECIFCALLY THIS PARTICULAR PETITION AND LOCATION AS RELATED TO THE EXISTING ONE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S WITHIN THE RADIUS OF THE OTHER ONE, I DON'T REALLY SEE WHERE THE ONE WOULD RELATE TO THE OTHER, THE OTHER PROPERTY IS A BLACK AWAY AND ON A DIFFERENT STREET, AND SO THEREFORE I DON'T REALLY SEE ANY TYPE OF CONFLICT, AND I HOPE AND PRAY THAT I AM RIGHT, AND THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD GETS ALONG FINE WITH THIS OPERATION. THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY MR. DINGFELDER. SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM JUST GOING TO GO BYY OWN HISTORY. IF YOU CHECK MY VOTING ON THESE TYPE OF OPERATIONS, MY RECORD HAS BEEN VERY CLEAR THAT I DO NOT VOTE FOR ANYONE WITHIN 1200 FEET OF ANOTHER. YOU CAN CHECK THAT FROM TAKE DAY I GOT ELECTED. >>ORLANDO GUDES: I CAN SAY I AM GOING SUPPORT WITH CAUTION I AM GOING TO SUPPORT IT WITH CAUTION. BUT I AM HOPING THAT IT'S TRUE WHAT YOU ARE TELLING US TODAY. THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY MR. DINGFELDER. SECOND BY MR. MANISCAO. ROLL CALL. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CITRO AND MIRANDA VOTING NO. >>LUIS VIERA: MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU. I WANTED TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER OUR VOTE TO SAY THIS. I JUST WANTED TO COMMEND YOU ALL ON -- AND AGAIN, MY PERSONAL SENTIMENTS ON GROUP HOMES HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH MY VOTE ON A LEGAL BASIS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO COMMEND YOU ALL FOR WHAT YOU ALL ARE DOING. LI COUILMAN DINGFELDER HAVING HAD A FAMILY MEMBER IN GROUP HOME, MY OLDEST BROTHER IS MENTALLY DISABLED AND LIVES IN A GROUP HOPE HOME HALF THE WEEK IN BRANDON SO I KNOW A LOT ABOUT THE COMMUNITY CONCERNS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, BUT YOU ALL STARTED OFF BY TALKING ABOUT YOUR INTENT AND YOUR RATIONALE AND JUST YOUR MORAL COMPASS AND WHY YOU ARE DOING THIS. I JUST WANT TO ABSOLUTE IT. AFTER YOU ALL ARE UP AND RUN BEING, I WAS TELLING MY ASSISTANT I WOULD LOVE TO COME VISIT YOU GUYS, AND I MEAN IT, AND SEE THE GOOD WORK THAT YOU ALL ARE DOING. DID YOU SAY THAT YOU ARE FROM HOWARD UNIVERSITY? >> YEAH, MAM VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES ALUMNAE AS WELL AS MYSELF. >>LUIS VIERA: HERE IN TAMPA, WE GET A LOT OF GREAT ALUMNAE, AND HERE IN TAMPA WE KNOW THAT IS THE LAW SCHOOL OF DELLA NOR STEWART. SO THAT'S -- CALL THAT A HISTORICAL COLLEGE IS A HELL OF AN UNDERSTATEMENT. THAT'S A BIG DEAL. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOD BLESS YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT. MR. DINGFELDER. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ITEM 5, I REQUESTED JUST A QUICK DISCUSSION WITH THE FIRE CHIEF IF SHE'S AVAILABLE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: SHE IS. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND SPECIFICALLY I JUST WANT TO NARROW THIS DISCUSSION, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO THINK THAT I AM AGAINST THE PURCHASE OF FIRE TRUCKS THA ARE DEFINITELY NEEDED, OR RESCUE TRUCKS, THAT ARE DEFINITELY NEEDED BY THE COMMUNITY, BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. BUT MR. CARLSON AND I SPEAK OFTEN ABOUT SINGLE SOURCES, SINGLE-SOURCE AGREEMENT. IN THIS CASE, WE HAVE A MILLION DOLLAR PURCHASE, LOOKS LIKE THREE OF THESE VEHICLES. THE CITY AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT JUSTIFYING SINGLE SOURCE BECAUSE THEY WANTS STANDARDIZATION YEAR AFTER YEAR SO THEY CAN ACCUMULATE VEHICLES THATREHE SAME FOR PURPOSES OF MAINTENANCE AND FOR PURPOSES OF OPERATION. AND CHIEF, YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I GO ASTRAY. BUT I THINK THAT'S THE REASON, AND THAT'S THE JUSTIFICATION. MY CONCERN, AND MY QUESTION OVER THE WEEKEND IN LOOKING AT THIS, IS ARE WE AT LEAST TALKING TO OTHER COMPANIES THAT ARE IN THE BUSINESS? MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE -- MAYBE WE SHOULD STANDARDIZE WITH TWO COMPANIES WITHIN OUR FLEET. AND THEN THAT WAY WE WOULD ALWAYS MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE COMPETITIVE WITH EACH OTHER IN TERMS OF PRICE AND QUALITY. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WE WOULD NECESSARILY DO THAT, AND THAT DOES CONCERN ME A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE A RELATIONSHIP, A LONG-TERM RELATIONSHIP WITH JUST ONE VENDOR, WHAT'S THE MOTIVATION OF THAT VENDOR TO GIVE YOU THE BEST PRICE? AND ANYWAY, CHIEF, LONG-WINDED EXPLANATION. I WANTED TO EXPLAIN TO COUNCIL WHY I PULD IT, AND I WILL TURN IT OVER TO YOU IF THAT'S OKAY WITH MR. CHAIRMAN. >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK CHIEF TRIPP DOES HER DUE DILIGENCE AND SHE'S BEEN TRAVELING LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE VEHICLES SO I HOPE SHE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT AS SHE EXPLAINS HER RATIONALE OF WHY WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT MULTIPLE COMPANIES, COMPETITION MAKES IT BETTER AND ALSO GET BETTER PRICES. SO I WILL LET YOU SPEAK, CHIEF TRIPP. >>CHIEF TRIPP: CAN YOU HEAR ME AY? CHIEF TRIPP, FIRE RESCUE. SO ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY, AND OF COURSE AS I CONTINUE TO TRY TO SUPPORT TAMPA FIRE RESCUE, FOR THE SAFETY FOR THESE YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN, I DID A LITTLE MORE RESEARCH TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT SINGLE SOURCE EXISTED, WHEN DID IT START, HOW DID IT START, HOW LONG WE HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THIS, AND OF COURSE BEING OFFICIALLY OVER A MONTH, SO I DID A LITTLE MORE RESEARCH, HAS BEEN WITH BRAWN SINCE 2012, PRIOR TO THAT WHAT McMASTER, BUT THEY WENT OUT OF BUSINESS. CURRENTLY THE REASON WE DID CHOOSE BRAWN IS BECAUSE OF THE INTEGRITY, THE STRUCTURE OF THE MODULE, THE BOX IS ACTUALLY WELDED TOGETHER, THE SIDES AS OPPOSED TO BONDED WITH A TAPE. BRAUNIS THE ONLY COMPANY THAT PROVIDES THAT SERVICE AND IT WAS MORE FOR SAFETY. THEY DID A COUPLE OF CRASH TESTS AND REALIZED THE BOX, IF IT DID TIP OVER, THAT BOX IS GOING TO STAY TOGETHER. SO I AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT SINGLE SOURCING. SINCE I HAVE BEEN IN THIS POSITION, I ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT A LOT MORE SINGLE SOURCES. THAT INFORMATION WAS BROUGHT TO ME BY PURCHASING. SO WE ARE PUTTING OTHER ITEMS OUT TO BID GIVING OTHER PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITIES TO BID ON THE PRODUCT THAT WE NEED, BUT OF COURSE WE WANTS TO KEEP IN MIND THE SAFETY OF THE PATIENTS, THE COMMUNITY, WHEN WE TRANSPORT TO THE HOSPITAL BUT ALSO TO THE CRE. SO THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY ONCE I DO A LITTLE MORE RESEARCH TO FIGURE OUT WHEREBY DID THIS COME FROM, HOW DID THIS START, AND WHAT WAS THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF IT? NOW, AS FAR AS ANOTHER COMPANY BEING INVOLVED, I REALLY HAVE NOT DID ANY RESEARCH ON ANOTHER COMPANY. I DID KNOW TALKING TO LOCAL AGENCIES WITHIN THE LOCAL AREA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY JUST SWITCHED OVER TO IS THE YARD OF ALE PRODUCT BECAUSE OF THE SAFETY AND INTEGRITY OF THE STRUCTURE OF THE BOX. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE. >>ORLNDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NOT SEEING ANY, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND CHIEF, I APPRECIATE THAT. AND I KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN JUGGLING THE DIFFERENT ISSUES IN THE SIX MONTHS OR SO THAT YOU TOOK OVER AS INTERIM CHIEF, AND WE APPRECIATE ALL YOU ARE DOING. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT AND GREG SPEARMAN WILL TELL YOU THIS IS SOMETHING I HAVE BEEN HARPING ON FOR MORE THAN A DECADE, AND I THINK THE PUBLIC EXPECTS THE GOVERNMENT TO GET OUT THERE AND LOOK AT ALL THE AVAILABLE PRODUCTS, AND TRAY AND BID AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. AND I KNOW THERE ARE TIMES, AND THERE ARE REASONS WHEN WE DON'T. BUT LET'S -- JUST KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO BE KIND OF A REGULAR QUESTION, ESPECIALLY ON THESE BIG PURCHASES. BUT I WISH YOU WELL ON THIS ONE AND I WILL SUPPORT IT I WILL MOVE ITEM NUMBER 5. >>ORLANDO GUDES: NUMBER 5 HAS BEEN MOVED. MR. CITRO. >>BILL CARLSON: YOU MENTIONED MY NAME AND I WANT TO ADD, THE CONSTITUENTS HAVE BEEN VERY CONCERNED OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS ABOUT SINGLE SOURCE PURCHASING AND OTHER ISSUES. I APPRECIATE YOUR DUE DILIGENCE. I KNOW IT'S REDUCED SUBSTANTIALLY SINCE IT ALL STARTED A COUPLE YEARS AGO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR DILIGENCE IN LOOKING AT IT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY MR. CITRO. SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO. DISCUSSION? ROLLALL VOTE. FIRE FIRE YES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES.% >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM NUMBER 22. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT PASSED ALREADY. WE PASSED IT ON VOTE EARLIER. WE DID ALL OTHER -- OH, MAYBE WE >>ORLANDO GUDES: NUMBER 22. WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. I.T., CAN WE GET HIS MIKE WORKING? >> HOW ABOUT NOW? OKAY. THANK YOU. WE HAVE BEFORE YOU ITEM NUMBER 22 IN YOUR PACKET. IT'S FOR THE FUNDING FOR THE CROSS BAY FERRY, A FOUR-WAY AGREEMENT BETWEEN ST. PETE PINELLAS AND HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND THE CITY. WHAT'S DIFFERENT BETWEEN THEN AND NOW IS THAT HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IS THE LEAD AGENCY INSTD OF ST. PETE. AND THIS IS A PLAN TO MAKE IT LONGER TERM, AND SO THE PILOT SIX MONTHS BEFORE AND THEY WANT TO RAMP UP BETWEEN NOW AND TEN MONTHS AND THEN EVENTUALLY TO 12-MONTH SERVICE. AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTOOD THE FUNDING AND HOW THAT WOULD WORK. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT THE FUNDING. >>ORLANDO GUDES: I JUST WANT FOR THE RECORD, WHERE THE CITY'S PORTION OF THE MONEY IS COMING FROM, BECAUSE I CAN'T VOTE ON ANYTHING THAT'S COMING FROM THE GENERAL FUND. SO I WANT TO SEE WHERE THAT MONEY IS COMING FROM. >> SO THE PORTION THAT'S COMING FROM THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT IS COMING FROM THE GAS TAX. IT'S NOT COMING FROM THE GENERAL FUND. IT'S NOT COMING FROM AD VALOREM. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE GAS TAX IS THE GAS TAX. THE OTHER ONE IS THE ENTERPRISE FUND SO IT HAS TO COME FROM EITHER GAS TAX OR ROADS, RIGHT? >> YES, I SAID GAS TAX. SORRY. IT'S FROM THE GAS TAX. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ROADS. GAS TAX IS USED TO FIX OUR ROADS. I SEE THE BIG GUY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: MONETARYWISE, HOW MUCH MONEY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE THE LAST TIME, THIS WAS BY CAC.RA MONEY, AND SUPPORTED- >> IT IS. THE DOWNTOWN CAC JUST VOTED ON IT THIS PAST WEEK. I JUST SPOKE WITH MICHELLE VAN LOAN AND VALERIE FERRELLHO GAVE ME THAT UPDATE, THAT THEY WOULD COVER ALL THE FUNDING EXCEPT FOR WHAT WAS BEING PLEDGED BY THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT. DO THAT EFFECT. >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, HOW MUCH IS COMING FROM MOBILITY? >> 50,000 COMING FROM MOBILITY ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, AND THE WAY THE CONTRACT IS SET UP IS WE CAN CANCEL THE SERVICE AT ANY JUNE. SO AFTER A SEASON IS COMPLETE, WE CAN GIVE THEM KNOW THAT, HEY, WE DON'T WANT TO DO THE SERVICE ANYMORE, WE CAN CANCEL. ALL FOUR AGENCIES WANTED THEM TO HAVE IT AS AN OPTION. >>LUIS VIERA: HOW MUCH IS COMING FROM THE CRA? >> I BELIEVE FIRST YEAR IS 125, AND THEN IT WILL BE WHATEVER THE OTHER -- THE FINAL AMOUNT IS AROUND 255 AND THAT WOULD BE MINUS THE 50 THAT CAME FROM THAT. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU. BY ACCIDENT, I FOUND OUT WAY BACK WHEN WHITSON WAS A VY SENIOR AT FLORIDA STATE I WANTED TO SEE FLORIDA STATE AND BOSTON COLLEGE PLAY AND I WAS IN A CITY CALLED SIGH LEM, THE CITY OF THE GHOSTS. AND GETS WHO THE CITY WAS SPONSORING, THE SAME FERRY. AND GUESS WHAT THE AMOUNT WAS. $700 THAT YOU A YEAR. OUT DON'T BELIEVE ME, CALL THE MASSACHUSETTS PAPER IN SALEM. THEY GOT A WHOLE ARTICLE ON IT. AND THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE PAYING. AND IF I REMEMBER, IF YOU DIDN'T LIVE IN THE COUNTY YOUR FARE FROM SALEM TO BOSTON AND RETURN WAS $40. IF Y WERE A COUNTY RESIT WAS $H $19. A CITY RESIDENT WAS $17. AND HERE WE ARE DOING IT FOR $10. SO WE ARE LOSING MONEY TWICE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT'S ALL I HAVE GOT TO SAY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JUST IN TERMS OF PROCESS -- AND I DON'T KNOW IF MICHELLE IS ON THIS CALL AS WELL -- SO THE CAC JUST RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS, THIS WEEK. THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID? >> YES, WATTS BROUGHT UP IN THE PLANNING BUDGET FROM JUNE, AND OBVIOUSLY WE GOT MORE INFORMATION AS IT BECAME AVAILABLE. BUT THE WHOLE PROPOSAL WAS REVIEWED BY THEM IN DETAIL. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY. SO THE PRESUMPTION I HAVE TO MAKE IS THAT WE AS A CRA BOARD HAVE NOT YET SEEN THIS CONTRACT, OR HAVE WE ALREADY APPROVED IT? I DON'T REMEMBER. >> THAT'S CORRECT, IT WOULD HAVE TO COME TO YOU SEPARATELY. BUT THE AGREEMENT WOULD BE DO WE WANT TO HAVE A SERVICE SO THEY CAN RENT THE BOATS COMG UP? OBVIOUSLY, MY UNDERSTANDING FROM WHAT MICHELLE EXPLAINED WAS IT WAS PUT IN THE PRELIMINARY BUDGET IN JUNE AND THAT WAS PART OF THE OVERALL BUDGET AND WOULD HAVE BEEN FUNDED FOR THIS UPCOMING YEAR. BUT THEY GOT MORE DETAIL ON IT THIS LAST ONE FOR SPECIFIC APPROVAL. >>ORLANDO GUDES: WELL, I HAVE A CONCERN, BECAUSE THE WAY I AM READING, WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD, THIS IS GOING TO CHANGE EVERY YEAR. SO I AM JUST WONDERING HOW WHEN THIS COMES UP ABOUT THIS GAS TAX, BECAUSE THE GAS TAX MONEY, . MIRANDA SAID, THAT'S FROZE. SO I WOULD WANT A LITTLE EXPLANATION ON THAT. BECAUSE IF THIS IS GOING TO CHANGE EVERY YEAR, GENTLEMEN. >> ALL FOUR YEARS ARE LISTED IN THE AGREEMENT SO YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SEE EACH FOUR YEARS IN THE AGREEMENT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: VIK, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >>VIK BHIDE: GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR AND COUNCIL. VIK BHIDE, DIRECTOR OF MOBILITY DEPARTMENT. THE MOBILITY SHARE OF $50,000 A YEAR IS COMING FROM MICROMOBILITY FUND, OUR SCOOTER PILOT PROGRAM, AND AGAIN THE GOAL THERE IS THAT ANY SINGLE OCCUPANT VEHICLES IS A LINED WITH SERVICES LIKE THE MICROMOBILITY PROGRAM. WE HAVE ALSO LEVERAGED MICROMOBILITY PROGRAMS TO FOR OUR ACTION GRANT AND OTHER SAFETY STUDIES THAT ARE IN LINE WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE MICROMOBILITY PROGRAM. I WANTED TO CLARIFY BECAUSE IT'S NOT GAS TAX, AND IT IS NOT AD VOM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHY WERE WE TOLD THE GAS TAX? I MEAN, I'M JUST ASKING. I WAS TOLD IT WAS COMING FROM GAS TAX. SO NOW YOU ARE TELLING ME IT'S NOT COMING FROM GAS TAX. >>VIK BHIDE: THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S COMING FROM MICROMOBILITY FEES. THAT WE COLLECT PROSECUTE THE SCATTER COMPANY. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MICROMOBILITY FEES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AND I WOULD LIKE FOR THE CITY ADMINISTRATION TO CHECK EVERYTHING I SAID BECAUSE I GO FROM MEMORY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I AM RIGHT. SALEM, MASSACHUSETTS, THE AREA WAS PUTTING700,0 IF I RECALL INTO THIS EVERY SINGLE YEAR. AND NOW THIS IS FOUR ENTITIES, AND YOU LOOK AT THE MONEY WE SPENT THE LAST THREE YEARS, WE COULD HAVE DONE A HELL OF A LOT BETTER TO HELP SOMEBODY IN THE CITY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON THEN MR. DINGFELDER. >>BILL CARLSON: JUST A FEW COMMENTS. I THINK THIS IS THE THIRD TIME THIS HAS COME UP FOR US, AND THE FIRST TIME IT CAME UP, IT WAS A WALK-ON AGENDA ITEM, WHICH BLINDSIDED ALL OFS, A IT PASSED. I VOTED FOR IT. AND THEN IN THE NEXT 24 HOURS I GOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF PHONE CALLS, SOMEBODY WAS TRYING TO THROW ME UNDER THE BUS TO SAY THAT MY FIRM HAD A CONFLICT IN WORKING WITH THIS FARERY SERVICE, AND TO WHOEVER THAT IS, OR WAS, SOMETIMES WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY NOT DOING ETHICAL THINGS, THEN THE PEOPLE YOU ARE LOOKING AT TURN AROUND AND POINT BACK AT YOU. SO JUST FOR DISCLOSURE SO EVERYBODY KNOWS, WHEN THIS FERRY SERVICE STARTED FOUR YEARS AGO, I THINK, MY FIRM ALONG WITH MANY OTHERS APPLIED FOR AN RFP. I DON'T REMEMBER THE NUMBERS EXACTLY RIGHT BUT WE GOT LIKE $25,000 AND WE PUT IN 50,000 IN PRO BONO TIME SO THE 25,000 DIDN'T EVEN COVER OUR COSTS. THE FOLLOWING YEAR THEY REDUCED OUR BUDGET DOWN TO 5,000. I THINK WE PUT IN 20 OR 30,000 BROTHER BONO. WE BELIEVED IN THE SERVICE, WE BLEACHED IN THE IDEA. THE THIRD YEAR THEY DIDN'T HIRE US AND THAT HAPPENED TO BE JUST BEFORE I GOT ON CITY COUNCIL. AND SO SINCE WE IN EFFECT GOT FIRED OR DIDN'T GET RENEWED, THEN IF I WAS VOTING WITH A CONFLICT IOULDOTE AGAINST IT. INSTEAD OF VITT VOTED FOR IT TWICE BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN IT, I HAVE INVESTED A LOT OF MY TIME AND MONEY AND STAFF IN IT. I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO A LONG DESCRIPTION OF POLITICS OF THIS, AND MAYOR KRISEMAN WAS A BIG CHAMPION OF THIS, AND HE WENT TO THE OTHER GOVERNMENTS TO GET SUPPORT FOR IT, AND THE ORIGINAL IDEA, THE ONE THAT I THINK WOULD MATCH MR. MIRANDA'S CONCEPT WOULD BE THAT THEY NEED TWO BOATS THAT GO ON AN HOUR HEADWAY EVERY DAY. PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDE OF THE BAY WANT THIS AS A COMMUTER SERVICE, COMMUTER SERVICE. RELIABLE WHAT HAPPENED IS ONE OF THE GOVERNMENTS, THE FORMER MAYOR HERE, DIDN'T LIKE THE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN IT SO HE RETALIATED BY NOT GIVING IT ENOUGH MONEY AND NOT SUPPORTING THE PROCESS. AS A RESULT THEY DIDN'T GET ENOUGH MONEY TO HAVE TWO BOATS GOING AT ONE HOUR HEADWAYS. AND IT WAS SET UP IN THE BEGINNING TO BE MORE LIKE A TOURIST ATTRACTION. WHAT THEY NEED TO DO SEVENTH EVENTUALLY IS GET TO ONE-HOUR HEADWAYS, AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS ONCE THEY GET THE MONEY TO DO THE ONE-HOUR HEADWAYS WITH TWO BOATS, THEN PEOPLE CAN RELY ON IT AS A COMMUTERERVI, AS A REGULAR FORM OF TRANSPORTATION, AND THEN THE SUBSIDY WILL GO DOWN. THE PROBLEM IS THE WAY IT'S BEEN STRUCTURED, BECAUSE OF POLITICAL ANIMOSITY A FEW YEARS AGO IS THAT IT WAS UNDERFUNDED IN THE BEGINNING. ONCE IT'S FUNDED WITH THE RIGHT KIND OF SERVICE, THEN THE SUBSIDY WILL GO DOWN EVENTUALLY BECAUSE THE MARKET WILL CATCH UP. THEY SAW THE LAST TWO YEARS, TWO OR THREE YEARS, MY FIRM HAS NOT BEEN INVOLVED AT ALL AND THEY REDUCED THE PRICE OF IT, EVEN FREE FOR A WHILE, AND THE RIDERSHIP WENT WAY UP. I HAVEN'T RIDDEN ON IT BUT PEOPLE SAY IT'S GREAT, THEY WANT AN ALTERNATIVE. SO I AM VERY SUPPORTIVE OF IT EVEN THOUGH THEY FIRED US, AND LOOK FORWARD TO SUPPORT IT GOING FORWARD, HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET THE RIGHT KIND OF SERVICE IN THE FUTURE SO COUNTY BE VERY SUCCESSFUL. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE WAY I DO MATH IT MAKES 75 THAT YOU GET FIRED. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA AND MR. DINGFELDER. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M FINE. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, BILL, THANKS FOR THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. A COUPLE OF YEARS THAT WE HAVE BEEN VOTING ON THIS, I HAVE BEEN SUPPORTIVE OF THE FERRY. I THINK IT'S AN INTERESTING ALTERNATIVE. BUT I ALSO -- I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROCESS. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY ARE ASKING THE CRA, US, TO FUND THIS, BUT THE CONTRACT IS IN FRONT OF US TODAY. SO WE HAVEN'T, AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED, WE AS THE CRA HAVEN'T APPROVED THE MONEY, BUT HERE WE ARE VOTING AND GIVING THE MAYOR AUTHORITY TO EXECUTE THE CONTRACT. I THINK IT'S THE CAR BORE THE HORSE. I THINK WE AS THE CRA, THERE SHOULD BE A PRESENTATION TO US AT OUR NEXT CRA MEETING, A FULL-BLOWN PRESENTATION ABOUT THE FERRY, HOW IS IT DOING, WHAT'S THE RIDERSHIP, ARE PEOPLE USING IT TO COMMUTE? OR IS IT JUST FOR EVENTS? ET CETERA, ET CETERA. AND ALSO, WHAT IS THE POTENTIAL, FINANCIAL RISK, BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST 200,000 OR 250,000 BUT THE IN AND OUT SOMEBODY SAYS THAT THAT NUMBER COULD GO UP. THE CHRMAN INDICATED THAT. SO THE FALLBACK ON ALL OF THAT. SO WITH ALL OF THAT, MORRIS AND VIK, I AM GOING TO PROPOSE THAT WE DEFER THIS ITEM 22 UNTIL AFTER WE AS A CRA DECIDE TO FUND IT. TO ME IT ONLY MAKES SENSE. >> COULD I INTERRUPT? >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MASSEY, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR. >>MORRIS MASSEY: PART OF THE REASON WHY IT'S HERE TODAY, YES, IT'S A LITTLE OUT OF SYNC PROCESSWISE AND I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. BUT THERE IS A DEADLINE TO WORKING TOGETHER, HAVING THE INTERLOCAL IN PLACE BY AUGUST 15th AND THAT'S WHY IT'S HEAR BEFORE YOU TODAY. WE HAVE AUTHORIZED CON TEN PLATING THE FUNDING SOURCE WHICH WE SECURE, SHOULD COME BEFORE THE CRA, BUDGETS APPROVED BY THE CAC, AND CAN MOVE FORWARD GIVEN THE SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WE ARE UNDER HE. THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT COUNCIL WAS AWARE OF IS THAT THIS CONTRACT CLAUSE IS TECHNICALLY A FOUR YEAR CONTRACT, BUT THE PRICE, IT DOESN'T VARY. 175,000 FOR THE FIRST YEAR. 190,000 FOR THE SECOND YEAR. IT GOES UP A LITTLE THE THIRD YEAR AND A LITTLE THE FOURTH YEAR. THE CONTRACT ALSO PROVIDES THAT YOU CAN CANCEL THE CONTRACT IN ANY YEAR BY JUNE 1st OF THAT YEAR. SO ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD RECOMMEND IF YOU ARE WILLING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS TODAY IS THAT PERHAPS YOU MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE -- THE MOTION SHOULD COME BEFORE YOU EITHER AS A CRA OR CITY COUNCIL, BOTH IN MAY OF EACH YEAR TO PRESENT HOW THE FERRY HAS BEEN OPERATING, WHETHER IT'S BEEN MEETING ITS READ RIDERSHIP GOALS, OR IF WE THINK IT'S REALLY DOING WHAT WE THOUGHT IT WOULD ACCOMPLISH WHEN WE AUTHORIZED IT INTO THIS CONTRACT, SO THAT IF WE DON'T THINK IT'S BEEN -- IF YOU ALL HA CONRNS ABOUT IT, YOU CAN CANCEL IT BETWEEN JUNE 1 OF THE SUCCEEDING YEAR. SO THOSE WOULD BE THE THINGS I WOULD SUGGEST FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THAT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MASSEY, THIS IS WHAT IT SAYS TO ME, AND THEN SOMETIME ADMINISTRATION GETS UPSET WITH COUNCIL BECAUSE COUNCIL IS NOT DOING WHAT THEY WANT THEM TO DO AT A PARTICULAR TIME. IT'S NOT FAIR TO US THAT YOU ARE NOT BRINGING THE INFORMATION TO US Y.BRING THIS TO US ON THE NINTH HOUR? YOU FOLKS KNEW IT WAS COMING UP T WE SAY IN THE NINTH HOUR AND THEN COUNCIL IS NOT WORKING WITH THE ADMINISTRATION, WE ARE MAKING THINGS SLOW, AND THAT'S NOT FAIR. I JUST WANT TO BE HONEST. THAT'S NOT FAIR. I THINK WE NEED TO STOP DOING THAT AND GIVE US THE INFORMATION. THIS COUNCIL IS WILLING TO WORK WITH THIS ADMINISTRATION. AS LONG AS WE HAVE THE FACTS, TRANSPARENT, AND HAVE THE INFORMATION, AND I AM TEED OFF BECAUSE I AM TOLD GAS TAX, GAS TAX, NOW I HAVE VIK TELLING ME NO, IT'S NOT GAS TAX MONEY. SO THAT PUTS US IN A SITUATION, WE TALK ABOUT TRANSPARENCY BUT WE HAVE TO BE FAIR WITH THE PROCESS. AT THIS TIME PROCESS, NOT JUST -- BUT THE PROCESS. >>MORRIS MASSEY: I UNDERSTAND. I APOLOGIZE. THE NEGOTIATIONS TOOK THAT LONG WHEN YOU HAVE FOUR DIFFERENT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, IT TAKES A LOT TO NEGOTIATE. IT ACTUALLY DOES IDENTIFY GAS TAX SO -- THAT IS THE SOURCE. ALL THE REST WOULD BE SUBJECT TO APPROPRIATION. >>ORLANDO GUDES: BUT IF VIK SAYS IT'S NOT GAS BUT WE ARE PUTTING GAS TAX IN A RESOLUTION AND I AM GOING TO SIGN OFF ON A RESOLUTION THAT SAYS GAS TAX BUT THE MAN SAYS IT'S NOT, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT TOO, SIR. SO WE NEED TO GET TO WHAT IT REALLY IS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT AS CHAIRMAN TO SIGN OFF IT'S GAS TAX WHEN THIS MAN IS TELLING ME IT'S NOT GAS TAX. I'M JUST SAYING. I WILL LET JEAN SPEAK BUT I THINK MR. DINGFELDER IS RIGHT. I THINK THIS NEEDS TO COME, BE PRESENTED TOTAL CRA AS COUNCIL WHEN THIS COMES MAYBE NEXT WEEK BECAUSE I JUST THINK WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE FACTS. THEY ARE NOT ALL RIGHT THERE, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE WE DROPPED THE BALL ON SOMETHING, WE FUMBLED THE BALL GETTING TO THE GOAL LANE. JEAN, MS. DUNCAN. >>JEAN DUNCAN: I WANT TO APOLOGIZE FOR THE CONFUSION ON THE FUND SOURCE. WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THE GAS TAX AS A LEGITIMATE OPTION FOR US TO USE, AND VIK BHIDE POINTED OUT SOME CREATIVE OPTIONS TO THAT AFTER THE RESOLUTION WAS PREPARED, WE THOUGHT IT WOULD GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO USE FUNDS FROM OUR SCOOTER PROGRAM WHICH ARE LIMITED AND CAN USE THEM, AND NOT GAS TAX WHICH ALWAYS AS YOU KNOW IS SOMETHING THAT'S VERY LIMITED IN TERMS OF WHAT WE GET AND WHAT WE CAN USE IT FOR. SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT CONFUSION. BUT WE WERE CONTEMPLATING IF THERE WAS STILL TE TO GO TO THE CRA, AND MAKE THAT SUBSTITUTION. BUT WE REGRET WE WEREN'T ABLE TO BE CLEAR ON THAT FROM THE BEGINNING. AND WE COMMIT TO YOU THAT ANYTHING WE BRING BEFORE YOU, WE WILL ALWAYS BE ACCURATE ON THE FUND SOURCE BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF YOUR DECISION MAKING. >>ORLANDO GUDES: OKAY, WE KEEP SAYING, BUT THE CAC IS AN AGENCY. THAT'S FIVE AGENCIES. SO IDENTIFY THOSE AGENCIES FOR ME JEAN. >>JEAN DUNCAN: WELL, WE HAVE THE ST. PETE, HILLSBOROUGH COUN,S COUNTY, AND THEN OF COURSE CRA BOARD, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT AN AGENCY, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE LEGAL TERM. BUT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: IT'S FIVE AGENCIES. IDENTIFIED AS FIVE AGENCIES. THEY ARE GIVING MONEY. IT SHOULD BE CITY OF TAMPA. IT SHOULD BE CRA CITY OF TAMPA BECAUSE THAT'S FIVE AGENCIES. ANYONE ELSE SO WE CAN BRING THIS IN FOR A LANDING? M. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED SIR. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. MASSEY, I HAVE A QUESTION AND THEN A COMMENT. YOU MENTIONED I THINK IN AUGUST, DEADLINE. WHAT'S THE ORIGIN OF THAT DEADLINE? >>MORRIS MASSEY: IT'S GOING TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FOR HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AS THE LEAD AGENCY, THE ONE THAT'S ADMINISTERING THE PROGRAM, SO THEY REQUESTED THAT ALL THE OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENTS THAT ARE PARTICIPATING IN THE PROGRAM APPROVE THE INTERLOCAL BEFORE IT GETS APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND THAT'S SCHEDULED TO GO TO BOCC WHEN? >>MORRIS MASSEY: AUGUST 15th. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ALLIGHT I DON'T WANT TO THROW A COG IN THIS. OBVIOUSLY THIS HASN'T BEEN HANDLED VERY WELL. AND THERE HASN'T BEEN A LOT OF COORDINATION. AND UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO TELL ME HERE, I KNOW I HAVEN'T BEEN BRIEFED ON THIS AT ALL. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE IN THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS, OR SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THIS CONTRACT. SO THERE WAS A LOT OF BALLS THAT WERE DROPPED. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HERE IS HAPPY ABOUT IT. AT THE SAME TIME, I TRIED TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE FERRY AND I AM WILLING TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE FERRY FOR ONE MORE YEAR PURSUANT TO MR. MASSEY'S SUGGESTION. SO IF WE VOTE TO APPROVE 22, THE NEXT MOTION COMING OUT OF MY MOUTH WOULD BE AN ANNUAL CHECKUP, PROBABLY IN APRIL OF EVERY YEAR, TO MAKE SURE THAT -- AND MAYBE THAT'S TO THE CRA BOARD BECAUSE THE CRA BOARD IS THE ONE THAT'S FUNDING. SO MAYBE THAT ANNUAL CHECKUP WOULD BE DELIVERED TO THE CRA BOARD TO MAKE SURE THE CRA BOARD WANTS TO CONTINUE FUNDING IT. AND THATOULD BE EVERY APRIL. SO MR. CHAIRMAN, I HEAR YOUR FRUSTRATION. I AM FRUSTRATED. I'M SURE SOME OTHER COUNCILMEMBER WITH THE LACK OF PROCESS AND THE LACK OF BRIEFING. BUT I'M WILLING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. AND I WILL MOVE 22. >>ORLANDO GUDES: 22 HAS BEEN MOVED BY MR. DINGFELDER. SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO. I AM GOING TO SUPPORT IT THIS TIME ONLY, BUT I DON'T LIKE BEING TOLD SOMETHING THAT'S NOT, AND I DON'T LIKE HAVING TO PUT MY SIGNATURE ONOMETHING THAT WAS NOT, AND I DON'T LIKE BEING TOLD SOMETHING AT THE NINTH HOUR. WE KEEP SAYING THIS, FOLKS. PLEASE STOP DOING IT. DON'T PUT US IN THAT POSITION. WE ARE NOT GOING TO PUT KNEW THAT POSITION SO DON'T PUT US IN THAT POSITION. MOTION ON THE FLOOR. ROLL CALL. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. I DON'T WANT TO SAY, JUST I AM GOING TO VOTE ACCORDINGLY. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA VOTING NO. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: LET ME FOLLOW UP. >>LUIS VIERA: WE NEED TO GET OUT OF THIS BY 3:00. >>LUIS VIERA: AND IF I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN. IT'S FUNNY ON THE FERRY, I CAME DO COUNCIL FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF IT AND THE LONGER I HEAR THIS THE MORE SKEPTIC I HAVE BECOME. I AM JUST BEING HONEST. AND COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER IS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION. I WANTED TO ADD SOMETHING TO THAT IF I MAY. I LIKE THE FACT THAT WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAVE LOOKING OVER THIS, IN EIGHT OR NINE MONTHS OR WHATEVER IT IS, D WHATNOT, I THINK WITH THE $50,000 THAT WE ARE GIVEN, WE ARE GOING TO GET SOME BANG FOR OUR BUCK, BUT AGAIN LONG-TERM, I AM A SKEPTIC ON THIS. I THINK THIS IS MOWER FOR ENTERTAINMENT IN MANY WAYS AS I SEE IT WITH THE ARRANGEMENT WE HAVE. I AM NOT OPPOSED. I AM JUST A SKEPTIC. THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE RECOGNIZED SIR. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHEN YOU SAID THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL SOMETHING YOU WANTED ME TO ADD -- >>LUIS VIERA: I WILL FIRST HEAR YOURS. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MY MOTION WOULD BE TO REQUEST THAT CITY STAFF REPORT TO US AS THE CRA BOARD. I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE UNORTHODOX, MR. MASSEY, BUT HEAR WE ARE. REPORT TO US AS THE CRA BOARD ANNUALLY FOR THE TERM OF THE REST OF THE TERM OF THIS CONTRACT IN APRIL, TO GIVE US A COMPREHENSIVE UPDATE ON THE OPERATIONS AND FINANCES OF THE FERRY SERVICE. >>LUIS VIERA: I WILL SECOND IT. I WANTED TO ADD A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT FORMER COUNCILMAN REDDICK TALKED ABOUT, TO END MY SKEPTICISM, HE ASKED, HOW IS THIS BEING PROMOTED AND WHERE IS IT BEING PRO MOTELED? WHAT ARE THEY DOING ADVERTISEMENT FOR THE FERRY? IN OTHER WORDS, GETTING TO THE IDEA IS IT JUST BEING ADVERTISED IN ONE PART OF THE CITY? I MEAN TAKING A LOOK AT EAST TAMPA, SULPHUR SPRINGS, UNIVERSITY AREA, ET CETERA, A POINT THAT COUNCILMAN REDDICK MADE THAT I THINK RESONATED WITH ME. SO IF YOU ARE AMENABLE TO THAT IN TERMS OF HOW IS IT BEING ADVERTISED? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: FRIENDLY AMENDMENT WOULD BE TO INCLUDE IN THE REPORT THE PROMOTIONAL ACTIVITIES, AS WELL AS PERHAPS THE DIVERSITY ACTIVITIES. >>LUIS VIERA: PRECISELY. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WILL ACCEPT THAT AS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. >>BILL CARLSON: ANOTHER FRIENDLY AMENDMENT WOULD BE TO INVITE HMS TO PRESENT. MAYBE A SEPARATE MOTION. WE SHOULD GET HMS TO PRESENT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER BECAUSE THEY CAN EXPLAIN TO YOU FIRST OF ALL, IT'S BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL, BARRING COVID, IT WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL IN THE LAST TWO OR THREE YEARS, BUT THE PROBLEM IS IT'S NOT RUNNING IN A WAY THAT COMMUTERS CAN USE IT SO WE ND TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN BRIDGE TO THAT KIND OF SERVICE SO THAT WE CAN GET THAT TO BE A RELIABLE ALTERNATIVE FORM OF TRANSPORTATION. AND THEN WE WON'T HAVE THESE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: IF IT'S NOT ACCESSIBLE FOR THE THE WHOLE CITY, AND OVER IN EAST TAMPA, SAYING WHY DOESN'T THE DEPARTMENT LET US GET ON THAT FERRY OR HAVE PART OF THAT FERRY? SO ANY SUCCESS FROM THE CITY, SOMETHING FOR THE COMMUNITY, I THINK MR. VIERA ISIGHT. I THINK THERE'S SKEPTICISM ON THAT AND MR. DINGFELDER IS RIGHT, THE DIVERSITY OF HOW WE ARE MARKETING SO EVERYBODY K EVERYONE CAN BE ON THE FERRY. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WILL ADD AS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT MR. FROM MR. CARLSON TO INCLUDE AN INVITATION BY STAFF TO HMS FERRIES, INC., TO JOIN US ANNUALLY AT THAT APRIL MEETING AS WELL. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION ON THE FLOOR, MR. VIERA. ALL IN FAVOR? ANOPPOSED? MIN MIRANDA AYE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ROLL CALL VOTE. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA VOTING NO. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM. GOT 32 OUT OF THE WAY EARLIER. WE HAVE 33. PROVIDE AN UPDATE. MR. DINGFELDER, ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT? WERE WE GOOD WITH THAT, MR. SHELBY EARLIER? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HOLD ON. >>ORLANDO GUDES: IF 14 POINTS. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO, I WILL COMMUNICATE DIRECTLY WITH CAROL AND RANDY ON THAT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE COMES RANDY. HE'S UP. HE'S ALREADY UP ON THE SCREENS SO BRING HIM UP. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO RANDY IS HERE AND GONE? HERE HE IS. MR. GOERS, SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE, AND I KNOW THE SOG FOLKS REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT YOU AND YOUR STAFF ARE DOING IN RESPONSE TO THEIR ITEMS OF CONCERN. THERE ARE A FEW ITEMS IN THERE -- AND I KNOW YOU ASKED IF WE COULD TALK TO KNEW ADVANCE BUT I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE. I APOLOGIZE, BUT THERE ARE A FEW ITEMS IN THEREBY WHERE YOU SAID THIS IS STAFF'S POSITION. WELL, IT MIGHT NOT BE COUNCIL'S POSITION. SO I WAS GOING TO BRING SOME OF THOSE UP TODAY, BUT I WILL DEFER . >>RANDY GOERS: OKAY. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU. ITEM 34. SIDEWALKS. VIK WAS UP THERE EARLIER. >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, A REMAINDER I NEED TO LEAVE IN ABOUT 20 MINUTES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: I AM TRYING TO GET US OUT OF HERE. ALL RIGHT. ITEM 34. >>VIK BHIDE: DIRECTOR OF MOBILITY DEPARTMENT. I AM HERE FOR ITEM 34. THIS IS RELATED TO THE MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER AND CARLSON ON APRIL 22ND. REGARDING THE SIDEWALK WORKSHOP WHERE WE PRESENTED OUR FIRST DRAFT OF ENGAGEMENT IN RESPONSE IN WALK/BIKE TAMPA'S RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL RELATED TO CODE CHANGES WITH THE GOAL OF INCREASING OVERALL EMPLOYMENT OF SIDEWALKS WITHIN THE CITY. THIS IS AN UPDATE OR A FOLLOW-UP ON THAT IN RESPONSE TO THE MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER AND CARLSON THAT ASKED TO US LOOK AT A SPECIFIC SECTION WITHIN THE CODE, AND THAT WAS 22-103, ITEM G-2, WHICH DEALS WITH EXCEPTION. AGAIN, OUR RECOMMENDATIONS TODAY COME FROM THE SPIRIT OF INCREASING OVERALL SIDEWALK DEPLOYMENT TO BE IN CONSISTENCY WITH THE VISION ZERO PROGRAM WITH WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS AND TO MAKE SURE THAT AROUND AREAS LIKE SCHOOLS AND PARKS, WE HAVE THE KIND OF SIDEWALKS THAT WE NEED. AND OVER AND ABOVE, ON TOP OF THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE ARE ABOUT TO MAKE IN THE PRESENTATION, WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE STEPS THAT THE CITY NEEDS TO TAKE, THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT, IN CONJUNCTION WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS, TO TRACK AND ADMINISTER OUR RECOMMENDATIONS PROPERLY AND MAKE SURE THAT WE REINVEST ANY KIND OF FEES IN THE SIDEWALKS APPROPRIATE. AT THIS TIME, I WILL HAND IT OVER TO THE PERSON THAT HAS SHEPHERDED THIS WHOLE PROCESS FROM THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT, AND SHE WILL PRESENT OUR RECOMMENDATION. DANNY. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. DANI FERGUSON. I WANT TO GIVE A QUICK RECAP FROM APRIL 22ND. THE LOCAL OPTION GAS TAX, MANY OF OUR OTHER PROGRAMS, AND ALSO SIDEWALK ... SO THE MEMOS A THE DATA ON THE PROPOSED -- PER COUNCIL'S QUARTERBACK. YOU WILL FIND THAT G-2 WAS STRUCK THROUGH, SO THAT WILL ELIMINATE THE EXCEPTION, SO IF IT WAS NOT PRACTICAL, SIDEWALKS STILL HAVE TO BE FUNDED, AND SO THIS EXCEPTION WOULD CAUSE EITHER A DEVELOPER TO HAVE TO -- SIDEWALKS. AND WE SEE THIS IS $29 PER LINEAR FOOT. THE CITY'S CONSTRUCTION COSTS ARE MORE IN LINE WITH THAT $75 ON AVERAGE. PER LINEAR FOOT. THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY ENGINEERING OR SURVEY. THE COSTS FOR SIDEWALKS ARE MUCH HIGHER. THIS IS JUST WHAT WE CAN DO WITHOUT ENGINEERING FUND. SO IT'S $75 INCLUDES ROOT TRIMMING, AND OTHER THINGS TO MAKE A LEVEL SIDEWALK. ALSO, RECOMMENDED IN 22-104, CONSTRUCTION COSTS FOR THE CITY TO CONSTRUCT A SIDEWALK. COSTS. CONSISTENT WITH OTHER THIS RECOMMENDATION AS MENTIONED WAS ALSO IN LINE WITH RESOLUTION 2015 WHICH MAKES PROVISIONS IN THE CITY. WE PRIORITIZE OUR -- NEAR SCHOOLS. WE DID ENGAGE WITH ASSOCIATION AS FAR AS WALK/BIKE TAMPA. TO SUMMARIZE EVERYTHING,E RECOMMENDATION TO ELIMINATE 22-103 WHICH SECTION 22. WE ALSO AGREE WITH GOALS TO CONSTRUCT SIDEWALKS, AND WE RECOMMEND TO INCREASE THE SIDEWALK FEE TO $75. I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS? MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED SIR. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: VIK, YOU MAGICALLY APPEARED. I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. FOR ONE THING I APPRECIATE THE WORK BOTH OF YOU HAVE PUT IN AND THAT LEGAL HAS PUT INTO THIS. IT'S DEFINITELY A TEAM EFFORT, AND I REALLY WANT TO GIVE A SHOUTOUT TO ALL THE FOLKS OF WALK/BIKE TAMPA, THE SIDEWALK STOMPERS, ET CETERA, JANET ZINK SH ERBERGER AND EVERYBODY INVOLVED IN THIS. ELIMINATING THIS LOOPHOLE IS HUGE. I DON'T WANTO GET INTO THE HISTORY OF IT AGAIN. WE HAVE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT. BUT JANET ON THE PHONE THIS MORNING POINTED OUT THAT THAT LOOPHOLE HAS BASICALLY LEFT A HOLE IN OUR FUNDING TO THE TUNE OF ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR, THAT IF WE HAD ALL THESE HOMES THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT WITHOUT SIDEWALKS AND WITHOUT PUTTING INTO THE FUND COULD HAVE GENERATED A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR TO BUILD SIDEWALKS ELSEWHERE, ESPECIALLY AROUND SCHOOLS. SO WE HAVE REALLY MISSED OUT ON AN OPPORTUNITY OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS TO BE DO THAT. BUT WE'LL MOVE FORWARD IN A POSITIVE DIRECTION. I HAVE THREE OTHER SUGGESTIONS THAT I HAVE SORT OF BEEN ACCUMULATING FROM THE COMMUNITY BEFORE WE COME BACK FOR FIRST READING. VIK AND I TALKED ABOUT I THINK TWO OF THESE LAST NIGHT. THE FIRST ONE -- AND MR. CITRO, I WANT TO GIVE YOU A SHOUTOUT TO THIS ONE -- YOU ALL CAN TALK, JOE, ABOUT THE NEED FOR SIDEWALKS NEAR SCHOOLS. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT ANY HOME EXCEPT FOR AFFORDABLEOUSI, TT ANY OTHER HOME THAT'S WITHIN A QUARTER MILE OF A SCHOOL HAS TO BUILD THE SIDEWALK, PERIOD. AND UNLESS THERE'S A DETERMINATION THAT THERE'S AN ABSOLUTE PHYSICAL IMPOSSIBILITY THAT THEY CAN'T, BUT I DON'T WANT TO GIVE THAT BUILDER THE OPTION. THAT'S THE ONLY WAY -- WELL, IT'S OFTEN THE ONLY WAY THESE SIDEWALKS GET BUILT IS ONE HOUSE AT A TIME. AND IF THAT HOUSE IS WITHIN A QUTER LE O THE SCHOOL, I THINK THAT THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY OUT WHATSOEVER. SOMEBODY SPOKE REALLY ELOQUENTLY THIS MORNING, AND THEY SAID, IF YOU BUILD A HOUSE, YOU SHOULD BUILD A SIDEWALK. AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD MESSAGE IN OUR COMMUNITY. SO THAT'S MY FIRST SUGGESTION. MY NEXT SUGGESTION IS EASIER, AND THAT WOULD BE AN ANNUAL REPORT TO COUNCIL ABOUT HOW THE SIDEWALK PROGRAM IS GOING, AND HOW THE TRUST FUND IS GOING, AND HOW MANY MILES OF SIDEWALK WE ARE BUILDING, AND THAT SOR OF THING. THAT'S AN EASY ONE. AND THEN THE LAST ONE, AND THIS WAS SUGGESTED TO ME BY SOMEBODY IN THE COMMUNITY LAST NIGHT, THAT CURRENTLY THE ADMINISTRATION HAS FLEXIBILITY TO TAKE THE MONEY THAT'S COLLECTED AND SPEND IT EITHER TO BUILD NEW SIDEWALKS OR TO MAINTAIN EXISTING SIDEWALKS. AND I THINK THAT'S WRONG. I THINK THE MONEY, THE FEE IN LIEU MONEY SHOULD BE EXPRESSLY CARVED OUT IN THE ORDINANCE TO BUILD NEW SIDEWALKS. THE CITY NEEDS TO MAINTAIN SIDEWALKS, THEY CAN FIND THE MONEY ELSEWHERE. WE CAN FIND THE MONEY ELSEWHERE. BUT I THINK WHEN THE DEVELOPERS CONTRIBUTE INTO THIS FUND, IT'S A FEE IN LIEU, THEN I THINK THAT THE COMMUNITY AND THE DEVELOPERS ALL DESERVE THAT THAT MONEY SHOULD GO TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF NEW SIDEWALKS. NOW, I THINK VIK, IN YOUR DEFENSE, IT'S PROBABLY USUALLY IS THE CASE, BUT I HAVE HEARD THAT ON OCCASION THAT MONEY CAN DRIFT OVER INTO MAINTENANCE AS WELL. SO ANYWAY, THOSE ARE MY THREE SUGGESTIONS. AND MR. CHAIRMAN, I WILL LEAVE THAT WITH YOU. AND IF VIK WANTS TO RESPOND, I'M OKAY. >>VIK BHIDE: COUNCILMAN, IF I CAN RESPOND REAL QUICK. YOU ARE CORRECT THAT WE DO USE SOME OF THE FUNDS THAT ARE COLLECTED RIGHT NOW FOR MAINTENANCE. HOWEVER, SHOULD YOU MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OVER AND ABOVE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE HAVE JUST MADE IN THE DESIRE OF COUNCIL, THEN IT'S THELEASURE OF THE COUNCIL TO MOVE FORWARD,. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I THOUGHT FOR A LONG TIME THAT YOU HAD AN ACCOUNTING OF WHAT HAPPENED TO THE SIDEWALK MONEY. AM I CORRECT OR INCORRECT? >>VIK BHIDE: THAT IS CORRECT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: NUMBER TWO, I CAN SEE PICTURES, AND YOU GO BACK TO THE APRIL 22ND OF 2021 ON THE SIDEWALK WORKSHOP, AND THIS IS ON MY CAMERA WAS TRANSFORM TAMPA TOMORROW, YOU WILL SEE WHETHER VIOLATIONS OF THE AD WHE Y BUILT AROUND A TREE, NOT A FIVE FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK BUT SOMETIMES TWO AND A HALF FEET WIDE, ONLY A GOPHER TURTLE COULD GO THROUGH. THAT'S NUMBER ONE. I AM NOT TALKING TO YOU, SIR, BUT I AM JUST TO LIGHTEN IT UP A LITTLE BIT SO I DON'T GET HYSTERICAL HERE. ON THE NEXT PAGE YOU SEE REPRESENTING THERE'S A SIDEWALK AND THERE'S A DITCH. NOW, LET ME SEE, A PERSON BUYING A HOUSE, I DON'T CARE WHAT WHETHER YOU HAVE A DITCH OR NOT. YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY ME TO HAVE A 50-FOOT LOT 3,750, IF YOU HAVE A 06-FOOT LOT, 4,500, IF YOU HAVE A 70-FOOT, 75-FOOT LOT, 5,150, AND IF YOU HAVE A 100-FOOT LOT YOU ARE GOING TO PAY ME $7500 TO PUT A SIDEWALK SOMEWHERE ELSE BECAUSE YOU HAVE A DITCH. THAT'S WHAT THIS SAYS. SO THAT'S FINE AND DANDY. WE DON'T GIVE THEM AN OPTION. MR. CITRO, ON YOUR SOLAR AND ENERGY, WE'LL SAY YOU CAN PUT THAT $75 FOR A SOLAR SYSTEM, PUT ANOTHER 5,000 AND YOU WILL BE DOING A GREAT FAVOR TO EVERYBODY. KNOW, YOU ARE GOING TO DO WAY SAYBECAUSE I AM THE GOVERNMENT. SO THATERSO HAS A DITCH. AND NOW YOU WANT TO TAKE PART OF HIS PROPERTY BECAUSE YOU CAN'T BUILD A DITCH OVER A SIDEWALK SO NOW YOU ARE GOING TO BUILD A SIDEWALK ON HIS PROPERTY AND THE PERSON WHO IS WALKING DOWN STREET WITH NO SIDEWALK FOR THREE OR FOUR-PLEX, OH, THERE'S A SIDEWALK. SO PRETTY JUMP THE DITCH, I AM GOING TO WALK 50 FEET OR 75 FEET SO I CAN COMPLY WITH THE ORDINANCE. WHAT THE HELL ARE WE? I'M FOR SIDEWALKS AROUND THE SCHOOLS. I'M FOR BUILDING SIDEWALKS ON EVERY NEW THING PROVIDING THERE'S A GUIDANCE OF HOW WE DO IT. I AM NOT GOING TO TELL EVERYBODY BLANKET, COVER IT ALL, THEN WE HAVE MONEY FOR SIDEWALKS. HOW LONG IS IT GOING TO TAKE? LET'S BE REALISTIC. YOU LOOK AT A SIDEWALK AND YOU LOOK AT A NEIGHBORHOOD FOR FOUR OR FIVE BLOCKS. AND YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE QUALITY OF HOUSES THAT ARE THERE. SO NOW YOU PAY TAX ON THAT HOUSE 20 YEARS AGO. IT'S GOING TO BE FOR ANOTHER 70, 80 YEARS BUT I AM GOING TO MAKE SOMEBODY PUT A SIDEWALK. THERE'S NONE THERE. WHO IN THE WORLD IS GOING TO WALK ON IT? CAN YOU ANSWER THAT? >>VIK BHIDE: SURE, I WILL BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS THE CONCERN, COUNCILMAN. IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN CORRECTLY, YOU ARE CONCERNED THAT WE MAY HAVE SPORADIC DEPLOYMENT OF SIDEWALK WITH NO CONNECTION FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THOSE FACILITIES. AND THAT'S A VALID OBSERVATION. THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE WHICH IS HARDLY ANY SIDEWALKS AT ALL. AND THAT'S WHY I MENTIONED THAT IT'S A BALANCE BETWEEN RIGHT SIZING THE FEE AND ALSO THERE IS AN INTERNAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE CITY TO ADMINISTER THIS PROGRAM DIRECTLY AND FOLLOW UP WITH PRIORITIES THAT APPLY ON AN ANNUAL BASIS AND WE WILL COVER THAT IN ANNUAL REPORTING AS NEEDED. BUT THE OVERALL CONTENTION AND USEFULNESS OF THE CITY AS WELL IS TO GET MORE SIDEWALKS, AND WE FEEL THE RECOMMENDATION WE ARE PUTTING FORTH WILL BE -- >>ORLANDO GUDES: SOMETIMES IT'S GOOD WHEN YOU ARE HERE A LONG TIME AND I WILL TELL YOU Y.I NEVER FORGOT THE WAS HOUSE ON GRAY AND THE LADY PUT PAVERS ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE STREET. SO THEY CALLED THE LADY AND SAID YOU HAVE TO BE TAKE THEM OUT. SHE DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE THEM OUT. AND NOW EVERY HOUSE THAT I SEE BUILT, EVERY HOUSE THAT IS PURCHASED -- AND I SHOWED YOU, THE POLICE STATION, WHY DON'T WE TAKE THEM TO TAKE US FOR A RIDE, AND I WILL SHOW YOU SOMETHING YOU WON'T BELIEVE. PAVERS ALL THE WAY TO THE STREET. HOW IN THE HELL ARE YOU GOING TO BUILD A SIDEWALK OVER PAVERS? THAT'S GOING ON RATE NOW AS WE ARE SPEAKING TODAY. SO I SEE THAT AND BEING SHOW YOU SOMETHING ON AELEND DALE MABRY WHERE THE SIDEWALKS DON'T EVEN MATCH FROM YOUR OWN REPORTS, APRIL 21. EXCUSE ME. APRIL 22ND. I MADE A MISTAKE, AND I DON'T WANT TO MAKE THAT KIND OF MISTAKE. SO WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IS I AM NOT AGAINST SIDEWALKS. I DON'T WANT TO SEE SOMEBODY GET HURT. WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE A SIDEWALK THAT'S NEVER GOING TO BE DONE IN THE NEXT 100 YEARS OR SOMEBODY HAVE A SOLAR PANEL? WE AT LEAST GIVE THEM AN OPTION. WE JUST CAN'T SAY PUT IT ON THERE BECAUSE WE SAY SO. DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. PEOPLE LIVE ON A BUDGET. AND THAT BUDGET IS TO PAY FOR THAT HOUSE. HOW IN THE WORLD AM I GOING TO TELL SOMEBODY THEY HAVE TO -- YOU HAVE A 100-FOOT LOT, 7,500, AND THERE'S NO SIDEWALK THERE? WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IF THAT GOES TO COURT? WOULD YOU WANT TO TRY THAT CASE? TELL ME WOULD YOU WANT TO TRAY THAT CASE? DOES ANY ATTORNEY 2021 TRY THAT CASE IN THE CITY? RAISE UP YOUR HAND. THANK YOU. I REST MY CASE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: AND IF I MAY, TWO THINGS. NUMBER ONE, I WOULD TRY THAT CASE DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH YOU PAPER ME. I'M KIDDING. I HAVE TO LEAVE. IT'S A PARENT TEACHER CONFERENCE AND THE PARKING LOT IS GOING TO BE FULL. I AM IN SUPPORT OF THIS JUST FOR THE RECORD. I JUST WANT TO STATE MY SUPPORT. I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING I WOULD SUPPORT AT THIS POINT. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT MOTIONS ARE GOING TO BE MADE BUT JUST THE GENERAL IDEA AS UNDERSTAND IT. FOR THE RECORD. BUT I HAVE TO GOP SO PLEASE EXCUSE ME. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >>JOSEPH CITRO: I AM IN SUPPORT. BUT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA BRINGS UP VERY VALID POINTS. WITH A 50-FOOT FRONTAGE LOTS IT'S GOING TO COST, WHAT WAS THAT, 3,550 WHICH IN TODAY'S STANDARD IS ONE PERCENT OF WHAT A HOUSE COSTS. BUT HOWEVER THERE ARE THOSE PLACES IN THIS TOWN. ALL OVER THE CITY THAT HAVE DRAINAGE DITCHES. HOW MUCH OF OURURE PROJECTS OR HOW MUCH OF OUR PIPE PROJECTS ARE GOING TO END UP GOING INTO THOSE DITCHES BECAUSE IT'S NO LONGER JUST A $75 A LINEAR FOOT. NOW YOU HAVE GOT TO BRING IN PIPES. YOU HAVE GOT TO COVER UP THOSE PIPES. AND THEN YOU HAVE GOT TO PUT SIDEWALKS ON TOP OF THEM. SO THERE IS GOT TO BE SOME SORT OF CARVEOUTS OR SOMETHING HERE. I AM DEDICATED TO PUTTING SIDEWALKS AROUND SCHOOLS. I DON'T WANT TO SEE KIDS WALKING TO SCHOOL IN THE STREET. I DON'T WANT TO SEE MOTHERS PUSHING THEIR STROLLERS IN THE STREET. SO ANYMORE SUPPORT OF THIS. T WEO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT HOW THIS IS GOING TO AFFECT EVERYONE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN MR. CHAIR. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. MIRANDA, YOU BRING UP SOME INTERESTING DISCUSSION. THERE ARE LOTS OF PEOPLE WHO MOVE TO OUR CITY AND HAVE TO PAY INTO THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM, BUT -- LET ME FINISH -- BUT WHEN THEY DO, SOME OF THEM MIGHT NOT HAVE CHILDREN. >>JOSEPH CITRO: I DON'T. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND THAT'S THE POINT. SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO PAY IN TO THESE THINGS AS A SOCIETAL GOAL. YOU MIGHT SEND YOUR CHILDREN TO A PRIVATE SCHOOL, BUT YOU ARE STILL PAYING INTO THAT PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM. TO ME IT'S KIND OF SIMILAR. YES, THEY MIGHT BUILD A BRAND NEW HOUSE SOUTH OF GANDY OR SOUTH TAMPA OR WHEREVER FOR A MILLION DOLLARS, AND AS JOE POINTED OUT, JOE DID THE MATH JUST NOW, EVEN IF IT' $5,000, IF IT'S A MILLION DOLLAR HOUSE, AND THERE'S A LOT OF MILLION DOLLAR HOUSES BEING BUILT, IF IT'S A MILLION DOLLAR HOUSE, THAT'S HALF OF ONE PERCENT OF THE TOTAL COST OF THAT NEW HOUSE. THAT IS NOT A DEAL BREAKER FOR THAT PERSON WHO IS BUILDING THAT MILLION DOLLAR HOUSE, NOR FOR THE DEVELOP HE SHALL WHO IS BUILDING IT. AND I'M FAMILIAR WITH ALL OF THAT PROCESS. THE BOTTOM LINE IS, IF THEY DO HAVE THAT DITCH, YES, THEY WILL NOT GET A SIDEWALK, AS VIK POINTED OUT, THEY WILL NOT GET THAT SIDEWALK, BUT THEY HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THE BETTER GOOD AND MORE IMPORTANTLY THA SIDEWALK MIGHT BE BUILT ACROSS THE STREET. OKAY. BECAUSE NOW WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THAT $5,000 AND THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR WHO BUILT A MILLION DOLLAR HOUSE, THEY CONTRIBUTED 5,000, THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR, MILLION DOLLAR HOUSE, THEY CONTRIBUTED $5,000 AND WE CAN TAKE THAT 15 THAT YOU BECAUSE THERE'S NO DITCH ACROSS THE STREET AND WE CAN BUILD A DECENT SIDEWALK ACROSS THE STREET AND MAYBE IT'S CLOSE TO A SCHOOL, TAKE. SO I KNOW THAT TRADITIONALLY WE HAVE CREATED EXEMPTIONS AND LOTS OF OPPORTUNITY FOR BUILDERS AND NEW HOME BUILDERS AND NEW HOMEOWNERS TO AFFORD PAYING THESY IS OVER, IT'S DONE. YOU BUILD A HOUSE. YOU BUILD A SIDEWALK. BUT ANYWAY, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A -- PUT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO NOT ONLY APPROVE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU LIKE TO BRING THINGS HOME, TO APPROVE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT ALSO TO ADD TO THAT THE THREE ITEMS THAT I SUGGESTED AND SUGGESTED TO ME BY THE COMMUNITY, WHICH IS HAVING NO EXEMPTIONS WITHIN A QUARTER MILE OF SCHOOLS, TO MANDATE AN ANNUAL REPORT, AND CHARLIE INDICATES MAYBE WE ARE ALREADY DOING THAT, AND PUT IT IN THE ORDINANCE SO IT'S THERE FOREVER, AND ALSO TO MANDATE THAT MONEY PAID INTO THE SYSTEM SHOULD BUILD NEW SIDEWALKS AND NOT BE USED FOR MAINTENANCE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION ON THE FLOOR. MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY DINGFELDER. SECOND FROM MR. CARLSON. WE WILL GO TO MR. CITRO AND THEN WE WILL COME BACK ANDRING TS IN FOR A LANDING. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN. FIRST, I REMEMBER WHAT THE LAST PERSON SAID BEST. LET ME SAY THIS. IN MY OPINION, YOU CANNOT MANDATE SOMEBODY WHO HAS GOT A DITCH, PAY $5,000, THE GUY ACROSS THE STREET GETS A SIDEWALK. WHAT? I AM GOING TO PAY 5,000? YOU WANT HIM TO PAY FOR YOUR SOLAR SYSTEM. PAY FOR KIDSO GO TO SCHOOL, TO PRIVATE SCHOOL. IT'S THE SAME THING. YOU ARE ASKING SOMEBODY TO SUBSIDIZE SOMEBODY ELSE'S SIDEWALK. SO -- >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WAIT. CAN I -- >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM NOT TALKING TO YOU. I AM JUST MAKING -- AND I AM NOT AGAINST SIDEWALKS. I AM SAYING IT AGAIN. BUT THERE'S GOT TO BE A WAY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE ARE DOING WITHOUT INTERFERING WITH THE RIGHTS OF PEOPLE. IF YOU HAVE A HOUSE, AND I WANT TO GO BACK NEXT WEEK, AND CHECK EVERY DAMN HOUSE IN WEST TAMPA THAT I CAN, AND I AM GOING TO SHOW YOU THE DITCHES AND I AM GOING TO SHOW YOU THE DRIVEWAYS AND I AM GOING TO SHOW YOU DRIVEWAYS WITH AND WITHOUT PAVERS AND THEY ARE ALL THE WAY TO THE STREET NOW. HOW IN THE WORLD ARE YOU GOING TO PUT A SIDEWALK OVER EITHER ONE? A PAVER? OR DRIVEWAY? UNLESS YOU TEAR THEM ALL UP, AND YOU HAVE MUCH MORE THAN WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. THEN IT'S NOT GOING TO COST YOU 75 A FOOT. IT'S GOING TO COST YOU 150 A FOOT BECSE Y HAV TO TEAR UP SOMEBODY'S YARD AND MAYBE DO DAMAGE, YOUR RIGHT-OF-WAY DO DAMAGE TO THEIR YARD. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPE. BUT WE ARE DEALING WITH SOMETHING HERE AGAIN WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING. THE ADMINISTRATION RIGHT HERE HASN'T TOLD US HOW MANY MIMES OF SIDEWALKS AROUND THE SCHOOLS, WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING. I HOPE WE GET A TURKEY SO WE CAN HAVE THANKSGIVING DINNER. THAT'S WHAT I SEE HERE. IT'S NOT WAY WANT OR DON'T WANT. I WANT THE FACTS AND FIGURES SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND HOW MANY MILES U THIS, A LOT OF MILES. WEST TAMPA AND EAST TAMPA IS NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWOINGS, ONE WAY THE OH THE OTHER, HAVING DITCHES AND IN A SIDEWALKS, AND THEN HOW MANY ROADS, WITH THE HOUSES SO CLOSE YOU CAN'T BILLED BUILD A SIDEWALK? SO WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? YOU ARE GOING TO TAKE THEIR PROPERTY, BUILD A SIDEWALK? I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S WHAT I DON'T KNOW. MAYBE YOU ALL KNOW BUT I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S MY ARGUMENT. MY ARGUE SUMMIT VERY SIMPLE. BY THEIR OWN STANDARDS WHAT THEY GAVE US ON APRIL 22ND, 2021, THEY SYSTEMS THEMSELVES ADMIT THAT THEY CAN'T PUT THE SIDEWALKS, SO THEY ARE MAKING THOSE PEOPLE PAY, AND THE SYSTEM THAT I HEARD ABOUT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, I AM NOT EVEN TAKING THAT AS AN ADVICE, BECAUSE EVERYBODY WANTS PEOPLE TO HAVE AN EDUCATION. YOU CAN STUDY BETTER, AND GET OUT OF WHERE YOU ARE AT WITH AN EDUCATION. DON'T TELL ME THAT IF YOU PUT A SIDEWALK YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A BETTER JOB BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T WORK. AND I HEARD ABOUT PEOPLE, 941 PEOPLE DYING IN THE CITY OF TAMPA LAST YEAR AND I AM SORRY TO HEAR THAT AND I WISH THERE WAS NONE, BUT NONE OF THESE TOLD ME THEY DIED BECAUSE OF A LACK OF SIDEWALKS. 41 PEOPLE DIE ON THE STREETS OF THE CITY EVERY YEAR AND YOU DON'T DELL ME WHERE. WHEN I LOOK AT IT AND I SAY, WELL, WHERE DID THEY DIE, ON THE INTERSTATE? ON AN INTERSECTION? BY A HIT AND RUN DRIVEROING 100 MILES PER HOUR? HOW ARE THE STREETS -- THEY DIDN'T DIE ON THE SIDEWALK. THIS IS ABOUT SIDEWALKS. YOU GAVE ME ON APRIL 22ND, 2021 AND THAT'S ALL I WANT I WANT COLLARDY ON WHAT I AM VOTING ON. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO. >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA SAID A LOT OF WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. I'M DONE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO SAY ANYTHING ON THIS. I FIRST MET EMILY ELSDALEN ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO AND GOT EXCITED ABOUT TRYING TO HELP WITH SIDEWALKS. SINCE THEN I HAVE BEEN TO EVENTS THAT SHE'S HAD AND JANET SHERBERGER AND LOTS OF NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS AND MANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO SPOKE OUT THIS MORNING, THERE'S A SAFETY ISSUE, THERE ARE STREETS WITH KIDS AND FAMILIES WALKING THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET, PEOPLE WITH WHEELCHAIRS GOING THROUGH THE STREET, IT'S VERY DANGEROUS. IT'S A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE AND WE HAVE TO TRY TO ADDRESS IT. IT'S NOT SAFE TO HAVE PEOPLE WALKING THROUGH THE STREETS ESPECIALLY SINCE WE ALSO HAVE SPEEDING PROBLEMS THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS. WE ALL THOUGHT THAT ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION MONEY WAS GOING TO SOLVE IT. I THINK GOING FROM LIKE 600,000 A YEAR TO 6 MILLION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND ALL OF THAT WENT AWAY. AND WE HAVE GOT TO FIND A WAY TO SOLVE THIS. WE HAVE BEEN IN OFFICE TWO AND A HALF YEARS AND WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO ANYTHING. AND THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN FIXED A LONG TIME AGO. I THINK IT'S THE START OF THE SOLUTIONS. BY THE WAY, MR. DINGFELDER, WE PUT SOME TIME AGO ON THE AGENDA TO TALK SPECIFICAY AUT THE HOUSES THAT ARE JUST OPPOSITE SCHOOLS THAT DON'T HAVE SIDEWALKS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T BUILT BUILD CROSSWALKS THERE. I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE OUTCOME OF THAT WAS. BUT WE HAVE GOT TO MOVE FASTER ON THESE SIDEWALKS. WE HAVE GOT TO BE CREATIVE AND INNOVATIVE. I THINK VIK AND HIS TEAM HAVE BEEN DOING THIS AND I FULLY SUPPORT THE EFFORTS TO MAKE OUR NEIGHBORHOODS SAFER. THE LAST THING IS BECAUSE OF COVID, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN STAYING HOME. THEY ARE WORKING AS HOME, SPENDING TIME AT HOME, WALKING OUTSIDE, AND THE THINGS THEY ARE NOTICING ARE POTHOLES, LOTT LACK OF SIDEWALKS, FLOODING, AND THAT OUR PARKS ARE IN DISREPAIR. SAW THE MAYOR'S BUDGET TRYING TO ADDRESS ALL OF THIS SO WE NEED TO TRY TO ADDRESS THEM FASTER. >>JOSEPH CITRO: QUICK QUESTION, DEMAND DINGFELDER. HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD SAYS IF YOU LIVE WITHIN TWO MILES OF A SCHOOL, THERE'S NO MORE BUSING. WHY A QUARTER MILE? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WELL, I TRIED TO COME UP WITH A REASONABLE RADIUS AROUND THE SCHOOL TO REALLY MANDATE AND COME DOWN HARD ON THIS ISSUE. I THINK IT WOULD GIVE A MILE OR TWO AROU T SCHL THAT BASICALLY YOU ARE LOOKING AT EVERY PROPERTY IN TOWN. >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT'S THE WAY I LOOKED AT IT AND CIRCLED ALL THE SCHOOLS THERE WOULD BE SO MUCH OVERLAPPING. MAY I ASK -- IT'S UP TO YOU. IT'S YOUR MOTION. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I HATE TO DO LET'S MAKE A DEAL BUT I WANT TO BE AS REASONABLE AS POSSIBLE. HOW ABOUT A HALF MILE? THAT WORKS. >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGAIN, I WILL SUPPORT IT IF YOU DID THAT. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WILL AMEND MY MOTION TO BE A HAL MILE. AND THE HALF MILE, I MEAN, NOBODY IS GETTING A FREE SKATE ON THIS. JUST TO CLARIFY, THE HALF MILE IS JUST MANDATING THAT YOU ARE GING TO BUILD A SIDEWALK UNLESS YOU CAN PROVE A PHYSICAL IMPOSSIBILITY. BUT YOU ARE NOT GOING TO OPT OUT WITH PAYING THE FEE. SO WITHIN A HALF MAIL OF THE SCHOOL, IF THAT'S WHERE YOU DECIDE TO BUILD A HOUSE, THEN THAT'S WHERE YOU ARE GOING TO BUILD A SIDEWALK, TOO. THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY DINGFELDER, MR. CARLSON SECKED THE MOTION. MR. DINGFELDER? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THEN WE MODIFIED IT SLIGHTLY WITH MR. CITRO. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THEN WE HAVE AN AMENDMENT BY MR. CITRO. CORRECT? YOU ACCEPT THAT AMENDMENT, SIR? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, SIR. AT A HALF MILE. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YOU SAID HALF MILE. I SAID A MILE. BUT I MODIFIED IT TO YOUR HALF MAIL. YOU TOLD ME I YOU -- I COULD WALK A MILE IN 15 MINUTESUT THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE. THAT'S FINE WITH ME. LET'S MOVE ON. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION ON THE FLOOR. SECONDED WITH AN AMENDMENT, CITRO. ALL IN FAVOR? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU WANT TO VOTE? >>ORLANDO GUDES: ROLL CALL VOTE. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO HALF A MILE, 880 SOME YARDS LONG, IF YOU THINK OF THAT. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA VOTING NO AND VIERA BEING ABSENT AT VOTE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT. VIK, WE APPRECIATE YOU. YOU ALWAYS KEEP YOUR FEET ON THE GROUND, THAT'S WHAT I LIKE ABOUT YOU. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YOU ARE THE MAN. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU TELL COUNCIL WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW. AND TRUST ME, WE DO THANK YOU FOR THAT. WE APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE 35. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DID A GREAT JOB ON THE MEMORANDUM TELLING US THE CURRENT STATUS OF IMPACT FEES AS RELATED TO TALLAHASSEE, AND AS RELATED TO US. I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY WHEN WE READ THE MEMO, WE BASICALLY -- AND MR. MASSEY, YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG -- BUT BASED ON THE MEMO THAT I READ, WE BASICALLY AS A CITY HAVE A RIGHT AND THE ABILITY TO PUT INTO PLACE PUBLIC SAFETY IMPACT FEES THAT ON A VERY FAIR BASIS WOULD HELP US RAISE MONEY TO BUY THESE EXPENSIVE AMBULANCES, TO BUILD NEW FIRE STATIONS, TO BUY EXPENSIVE MILLION DOLLAR FAIR TRUCKS, ET CETERA, AND ALSO POLICE VEHICLES. AND POLICE STATIONS PERHAPS. BUT ANYWAY WITH, ALL THAT SAID, I BELIEVE MR. MASSEY HAS TOLD US WE CAN DO THIS, UNDER VERY SORT OF LIMITED CONSTRAINTS, THAT HE HAS IDENTIFIED IN HIS MEMORANDUM, AND THE ONLY REASON I WANTED TO DISCUSS IT IS I WANTED TO REQUEST THAT LEGAL DEPARTMENT WORK WITH THE ADMINISTRATION AND COME UP WITH A TANGIBLE IMPACT FEE PUBLIC SAFETY IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE AND COME BACK TO US WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS, AND I AM FLEXIBLE ON THAT TIME FRAME. >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THAT A I SECOND. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MASSEY, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR. >>MORRIS MASSEY: MR. DINGFELDER AND COUNCIL, I'M HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE ADMINISTRATION TO THE WORK WITH THE PUBLIC SAFETY IMPACT FEE. WE DO AN ANALYSIS OF THE STUDY. I DO THINK WE CAN ALSO HOLD WORKSHOPS ON IT FOR THE LEGISLATION THAT WAS PASSED, TALLAHASSEE WATCHING, WATCHING CLOSELY RIGHT NOW. I DON'T THINK WE WILL BE A POSITION TO ENACT AN ORDINANCE BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY COME BACK WITHIN 30 OR 60 DAYS TO REPORT HOW WE HAVE PROGRESSED FORWARD GETTING AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE. LET ME MAKE IT CLEAR ON THE RECORD, UNDER FLORIDA LAW, IMPACT FEES ARE SUBJECT TO WHAT'S CALLED A DUAL ACTION -- STEP, AND THEY HAVE TO BE PRO POSITION AT TO WHAT THEIR IMPACTS ARE TO THE SYSTEM, AND THERE HAS TO BE A WAY THAT ADDRESSES THEIR NEED, SO YOU CAN'T MAKE UP THE WHOLE -- THAT WE MAY AVE IN THE PUBLIC SAFETY ARENA, BUT IT DOES PROVIDE FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT TO HELP PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE OF THOSE SERVICES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. MASSEY, I APOLOGIZE. I KIND OF GOT EXCITED THINKING ABOUT THE ORDINANCE, BUT I AM AWARE WE HAVE TO DO THE STUDY. WE PROBABLY HAVE TO HIRE A CONSULTANT TO HELP US GUIDE US, IT PROBABLY IS GOING TO TAKE A YEAR TO DO IT. SO MY MOTION MODIFIED, MR. CITRO, WITH YOUR PLEASURE, TO REQUEST THAT CITY STAFF AND LEGAL COME BACK TO US WITH A TIMELINE, IN A SORT OF GENERIC OUTLINE OF WHERE WE NEED TO BE GO, AND HOW WE NEED TO DO THIS, AND TO COME BACK TO US IN A MONTH AND A HALF OR SO, 45 DAYS. >>MARTIN SHELBY: OCTOBER 21st? IS THAT OKAY, MR. MASSEY? >>MORRIS MASSEY: THAT'S FINE. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK JOE ALREADY SAID -- >>JOSEPH CITRO: WHATEVER. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION ON THE FLOOR. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IS TS IN ADDITION TO THE SIDEWALK? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SIDEWALK. THIS IS A STAND ALONE MOTION RELATED TO PUBLIC SOFT IMPACT FEES WHICH IS JUST FULLY SYMBOLIC. >>ORLANDO GUDES: OKAY, SIR? MOTION BY MR. DINGFELDER. SECOND BY MR. CITRO. ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: 45 DAYS, WHAT DATE DID WE COME UP WITH? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. MASSEY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE WILL NOT GET AEPOR ON 36 BECAUSE WE HAVE A MEMORANDUM. WE ARE SATISFIED WITH THAT. WE MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER 37. >> 37. THANK YOU SO MUCH, COUNCIL MEMBERS. >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK THIS IS MS. WYNN? WE DON'T HAVE YOU VISUAL. I TAKE IT THIS IS MS. WYNN? >>OCEA WYNN: YES, I AM. ANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ACCOMMODATING ME. I AM GOING TO ASK FOR A REPORT BUT I REALLY WANTED TO TAKE THIS TIME TO JUST UPDATE YOU ON CEMETERY, SOME OF THESE ISSUES, AS WELL AS TAKE A MOMENT TO EXPLAIN THE CEMETERY -- I DID NOT SUBMIT A REPORT. I WANTED TO COME BEFORE YOU. I AM NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THE GUIDELINES OF THE CEMETERY. I THK YOU KNOW THAT. I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE YOU WITH AN UPDATE AS TO WHERE WE ARE WITH WHAT THE CITY HAS BEEN DOING, IN CASE YOU ARE NOT FAMILIAR. THE CITY HAS PROVIDED IN KIND LEGAL SERVICES FOR THE CREATION OF THE NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION THAT'S SPEARHEADED BY -- THE NONPROFIT HELD ITS FIRST OFFICIAL MEETING ON OCTOBER 15th OF THIS YEAR. AS WELL AS WE DIRECTED THE CITY PARKS AND CULTURAL AFFAIRS DIVISION LED BY ROBIN NIGH TO COORDINATE A COMMUNITY DESIGN FOR TEMPORARY AND A PERMANENT MEMORIAL TO COMMEMORATE THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE ENTERED. IN FEBRUARY 2020 OF LAST YEAR, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND THE STATE FUNDING MATCH FOR THE MEMORIAL, A TOTAL OF $150,000 THAT WILL BE -- BY THE NONPROFITS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ALL CLEAR AND I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THE FACT THAT WE ARE WORKING WITH OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS, AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS, TAMPA HOUSING AUTHORITY, IT'S TAKEN A LEAVE AND WE ARE ON THE TIMELINE, SO THERE'S A LOT OF MOMENTUM WITH THE OVERSIGHT OF THE HOUSING AUTHORITY. IN TERMS OF MEMORIAL PARK, I THINK WE HAVE SEEN RECENT LIMIT WITHIN THE LAST MONTH OR SO, WITH AN UPDATE, BUT JUST WANTED TO EMPHASIZE THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY OR WILL CONTINUE TO OVERSEE THE MAINTENANCE, PARTICULARLY DURING THIS RAINY SEASON AT MEMORIAL PARK. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SEAM TAKER IS PROPERLY MAINTAINED, AND WE ARE WORKING WITH OUR LEGISLATORS TO BE UPDATE THE FLORIDA STATUTES RELATING TO CEMETERIES, SO THE PROPERTY WITH UNMARKED GRAVES AS WELL AS THOSE CEMETERIES THAT ARE NO LONGER PROFITABLE SO THEY WILL NOT FALL INTO DISREPAIR OR DISARRAY. IN TERMS OF -- AS A RESULT OF AN ARTICLE THAT WAS POSTED, I THINK ABOUT A MONTH OR TWO AGO, AND WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM, AND RECENTLY WE SUGGESTED THAT THEY WORK CLOSELY WITH THE AFRICAN AMERICAN CEMETERY ALLIANCE OF TAMPA BAY. THE REASON WHY WE MADE THAT SUGGESTION IS BECAUSE THIS IS THE GROUP THAT IS SPEARHEADED WITH PROFESSIONALS FROM NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS, WITH UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA, WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE -- SO THEY ARE CONNECTING WITH THE ITALIAN CLUB SO THEY CAN GET MOMENTUM ON SOME F THEIR ISSUES WITH THE UNMARKED GRAVES, THE UNACCOUNTED FOR GRAVES, PARTICULARLY THE ONES THAT ARE -- I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU HAD AN UPDATE ON WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THOSE PARTICULAR ITEMS NOW, IN TERMS OF THE CEMETERY TASK FORCE, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDER WHAT THAT MEANS. WHAT WE ARE DOING IS, AS WE GET A NUMBER OF THESE CEMETERY ISSUES COMING FORWARD, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WITHIN THE CITY WE DO DUE DILIGENCE WITH ADDRESSING THOSE CONCERNS, AND WE HAVE STREAMLINED APPROACH INTERNALLY AS WELL AS HOW WE CAN DIRECT EXTERNALLY THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED. SO WE DEVELOPED A TASK FORCE THAT CONSISTS OF ARTS AND CULTURAL AFFAIRS, REPRESENTATIVES FROM LEGAL, PARK AND RECREATION, GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS, A NUMBER OF US, SO THAT AGAIN WHEN THESE ISSUES COME BEFORE US, PARTICULARLY WE ANTICIPATE THAT AS THE GOVERNOR'S TASK FORCE ON ABANDONED CEMETERIES TAKE AWAY, THAT WE WILL GET A LOT MORE INTEREST. SO WE WANT OH TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD EFFORT IN A STRATEGIC APPROACH IN HOW WE INTAKE THESE CONCERNS AND HOW WE ADDRESS THEM. SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU, WANTED TO HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY. AND I AM AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN? ANYONE, ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION, MS. WYNN. >>OCEA WYNN: YOU ARE MORE THAN WELCOME. THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE DEALT WITH 38 EARLIER. WE HAVE COME TO THE FINAL, FINAL, FINALED LANDING SPOT. MR. MANISCALCO, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR NEW BUSINESS? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO. >>BILL CARLSON: I HAVE TWO HOPEFULLY QUICK ONES. KIMBERLY OVERMAN RECENTLY SUGGESTED BUILDING AUDIT PROCESS FOR THE COUNTY, SIMILAR TO ONE THAT BWARD COUNTY HAD PROPOSED. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS ISSUE YET. BUT SHE SENT ME, SHE AND LISA MONTELIONE SENT ME THEIRS AND SUGGESTED THAT THE CITY TRY TO ADOPT AN AUDIT PROCESS SO THIS IS ABOUT THE FALLING OF THE BUILDING IN MIAMI, AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT THIS MORNING, SO THE IDEA IS TO AUDIT OR REVIEW BUILDIGS ON A MORE REGULAR BASIS. SO THEY WERE SUGGESTING THIS MOTION, WHICH IS THAT I WOULD REQUEST THAT STAFF BRING BACK A REPORT ON PSIBL IMPLEMENTATION OF A PROCESS TO AUDIT BUILDINGS MODELED AFTER COUNTY COMMISSIONER KIMBERLY OVERMAN'S PROPOSAL TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION. >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECONDED BY MR. MIRANDA. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS THERE A DATE WITH THAT? >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT DO YOU RECOMMEND? >>MARTIN SHELBY: I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD BE. IF SOMEONE FROM LEGAL TO RECOMMEND. >>BILL CARLSON: COULD WE SAY DECEMBER 2nd? GIVE PEOPLE PLENTY OF TIME? >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I WAS GOING TO SAY, THANK YOU FOR DECEMBER 2nd. IT DOES TAKE A WHILE TO PUT IT TOGETHER. >>BILL CARLSON: AND THE COUNTY IS STILL DOING THEIRS SO WE CAN LOOK AT THEIRS AND TRY TO -- >>ORLANDO GUDES: SO DECEMBER 2nd, MS. ZELMAN? >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I THINK THAT'S GOOD. >>ORLANDO GUDES: DECEMBER 2nd IT IS. MR. NGFELDER. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: QUESTION ON THE MOTION. I'M TOTALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE CONCEPT AND THE MOTION. I AM JUST WONDERING, WHAT IF ANYTHING IS THE STATE DOING IN THIS REGARD? AND I THINK I DID READ RIGHT AFTER THE TRAGEDY THAT THE STATE WAS PUTTING TOGETHER A BUILDING EXPERTS AND I ANTICIPATE AT SOME POINT IN THE SPRING, THE LEGISLATURE WOULD BE ARESSG IT. HAVE WE HEARD ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES, MS. ZELMAN, OR MR. CARLSON, OR MR. SHELBY? AND HOW WE THAT IMPACT THE EFFORTS WE MIGHT DO? >>ANDREA ZELMAN: IT WOULD -- >>BILL CARLSON: THE IDEA HER SOD IF THE STATE SUPERSEDE IT WE CAN ALWAYS TAKE IT OFF THE TABLE. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JUST AS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO MAKE SURE THEY CONTACT THE APPROPRIATE FOLKS IN TALLAHASSEE TO MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT REINVENTING THE WHEEL. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN, MR. CHAIRMAN. I WOULD SUSPECT THAT THIS MAY BE A SUBJECT OF DISCUSSION AT NEXT WEEK'S FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES MEETING. SO IF ANYBODY CAN KEEP THEIR EARS TO THE GROUND WITH THAT. AND I WOULD REMIND COUNCIL THAT THERE ARE COUNTY ORDINANCES THAT HAVE THE EFFECT OF ENCOMPASSING THE CITY AS WELL SO IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE NEED GOVERNMENTAL DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE ADMINISTRATION AND HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AS TO A UNIFIED APPROACH. >>BILL CARLSON: I HAVE ALSO HAD PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN CONDOS THAT SAID THE SAME THING, THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR CONDOS, AND THE STATUS. I ADDED AT THE END, IN CONTEXT OF ANY -- >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY MR. CARLSON, SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA. ALL IN FAVOR? OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIED. WHAT ELSE, SIR? >>BILL CARLSON: THE LAST ONE, I FOUND OUT RECENTLY THAT JENNIE CAREY AND JIANAO RUSSO, AND SHE'S A DELIGHTFUL -- CITY WORDSMITH, AND IS THE POET LAUREATE. BUT JINAA ROUSSEAU IS A LITERATURE PROFESSOR AND POET AND AUTHOR. I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE HER COME, TO MAKE A MOTION T REQST THAT TAMPA'S OFFICIAL WORDSMITH GIANA ROUSSEAU APPEAR BEFORE COUNCIL FOR FIVE MINUTES TO READ A COUPLE OF SHORT POMES. SHOULD WE PICK DECEMBER 2nd? I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE PUBLIC TO HEAR HER AND IT'S GREAT PROMOTION FOR LITERATURE. SHE WAS CHOSEN BY THE MAYOR ASSOCIATION IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HIGHLIGHT AND CELEBRATE THAT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: DECEMBER 2nd IT IS. MR. CARLSON PUT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPED? MOTION CARRIED. ANYTHING ELSE? MR. CITRO. >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE. I'M SORRY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: NOT YET. MR. DINGFELDER. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: GOT A COUPLE. SO IN REGARD TO THIS ISSUE OF PRIVATELY INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENT, SO WE HAD ASKED MR. SHELBY TO COME BACK ON AUGUST 26th TO DO A SURVEY OF ALL THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS, BLAH-BLAH-BLAH, BUT IN THE MEANTIME THE ADMINISTRATION APPARENTLY HAS TAKEN THAT ROLE, AND IT'S GOING TO BE GIVING U A REPORT IN THE NECESSARY FOUGHT. SO WITH THAT, I DON'T WANT TO BURDEN MR. SHELBY WITH THAT TASK SINCE IT'S RATHER DUPLICITOUS. WITH THAT, I MAKE A MOTION TO STRIKE THE REQUEST FROM MR. SHELBY'S TASK LIST. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY MR. DINGFELDER. SECOND BY MANISCALCO. ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. A WHILE BACK, A RESIDENT,ERY ACTIVE RESIDENT, KELLY, OVER IN YBOR CITY, HAD BEEN COMPLAINING ABOUT THE FACT THAT SEXUAL PREDATORS WERE BEING HOUSED IN YBOR CITY, AND NUMBERS FAR EXCEEDING ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY, AND I THINK PRIOR TO ME COMING BACK TWO YEARS AGO, MR. MIRANDA, MR. MANISCALCO, I THINK THAT ISSUE HAD BEEN TALKED ABOUT, BUT SHE'S BEEN E-MAILING MY OFFICE SAYING THAT WE ARE NOT DOING ENOUGH, AND THAT WE ARE NOT KEEPING A HANDLE ON IT. SO I DON'T KNOW A WHOLE LOT ABOUT THAT ISSUE, BUT I WOULD ASK THAT TPD COME AND GIVE US A REPORT ABOUT THE HOUSING OF SEXUAL PREDATORS IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND SPECIFICALLY IN YBOR CITY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY MR. DINGFELDER. MR. SHELBY, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >>: WHAT WOULD BE A DATE? LET'S SEE, OCTOBER? FINISH THE BUDGET? >>MARTIN SHELBY: ONE OR TWO STAFF REPORTS ON THE 21st. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OCTOBER 21st UNDER STAFF REPORTS. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION FOR THE 21st, MR. MANISCALCO SECONDS IT. ALL IN FAVOR? >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY, I NOTICED THAT MS. ZELMAN WAS LOOKING TO BE RECOGNIZED. >>ANDREA ZELMAN: WHEN YOU ARE DONE WITH THIS. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT. ON THIS MOTION? >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I WILL JUST HAVE A QUESTION. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY MR. DINGFELDER FOR OOBER 21st. TPD TO REPORT ON SEXUAL PREDATORS. ALL IN FAVOR? OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIED. MS. ZELMAN. >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I APOLOGIZE I.WANTED TO GO BACK TO THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PRIVATELY INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENT RESEARCH. I AM GETTING QUESTIONS AS TO WHETHER IT'S ACCURATE ABOUT THE RESEARCH. MR. SHELBY OR MR. DINGFELDER, CAN YOU CLARIFY? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WELL, LET ME JUST SAY THAT THE FOCUS HAS CHANGED, AND STAFF HAS MADE A RECOMMENDATION AS RELATED TO PRIVATELY INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENTS, AND SO, THEREFORE, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT MR. SHELBY'S RESEARCH IS NECESSARY AT THIS POINT. THAT'S WHY I MOVED TO STRIKE IT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I COULD FOLLOW UP ON THAT, MR. DINGFELDER. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WANT TO DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO AUGUST 26th WHICH WAS THE DATE THAT MY REPT W CONTINUED TO. AND I JUST WANT BE YOU TO PLEASE BE AWARE THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING TIED TO IT AND THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION BY ABBYE FEELEY, AND I AM GOING TO ASK THE CLERK TO MODIFY THAT CALENDAR NOTATION BECAUSE IT'S NO LONGER TO BE HEARD WITH THE MOTION ABOVE, WHICH WAS PASSED BY COUNCIL TO REMOVE THAT REPORT. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE IS A PROPOSAL BEING WORKED ON BY THE ADMINISTRATION TO BE PRESENTED THAT DAY. AND I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO, MR. NGFEER. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: EXACTLY. I THINK WE ARE SORT OF BEYOND MR. SHELBY'S RESEARCH. IT'S NOT NECESSARY. AND MS. POST AND HER TEAMWORKING WITH LEGAL HAVE COME UP WITH A PROPOSAL. THERE IS MS. POST. >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST A REMINDER, COUNCIL, AND MAYBE MS. POST WILL ADDRESS THIS, BUT STAFF HAD PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED WHAT RESEARCH IT HAD DONE, AND THAT THERE WAS NO EXPECTATION BY COUNCIL OR BY STAFF THAT THERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL RESEARCH RELATIVE TO THAT. IT WOULD BE AS -- AND I KNOW WHO HOW MS. POST WANTS TO ADDRESS THAT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >>CAROLE POST: THANK YOU, CHAIR, CAROLE POST, ADMINISTRATOR FOR DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY. TO CLARIFY AT LEAST FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE THE UNDERSTANDING WHATS THAT MR. SHELBY WAS CONDUCTING A MORE COMPREHENSIVE STUDY OF THE JURDICTN THAT ENGAGED WITH A PROCESS OF SOME SORT, AND THE STAFF WAS GOING TO RELY UPON THAT IN HELPING TO FORM OUR PROPOSAL. MR. DINGFELDER IS CORRECT, WE HAVE THE OUTLINE OF A PROPOSAL TO BRING BACK TO COUNCIL IN RESPONSE TO A PRIOR MOTION AROUND A PRIVATELY INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENT PROCESS. SO WE WERE LOOKING TO MR. SHELBY'S RESEARCH TO REALLY BUTTRESS THAT AND INFORM HIM. IF THE COUNCIL FEELS THAT THAT'S NO LONGER NECESSARY, THAT'S CERTAINLY THE PREROGATIVE. WE DID NOT DO ANY FURTHER JURISDICTIONAL RESEARCH ON THE MATTER. WE JUST SIMPLY STARTED TO SHAPE A PROPOSAL THAT WE FELT WAS RESPONSIVE. I THINK IT MIGHT BE INFORMATIVE TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT OTHER JURISDICTIONS ARE DOING. BUT I WILL LEAF THAT TO YOU TO MAKE A FINAL DECISION. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHY DON'T WE LEAVE IT TAMPA WAY IT IS RATE NOW WITH THE MOTION THAT PASSED A FEW MINUTES AGO, AND IF WE COME TO AUGUST 26th AND AFTER WE HEAR STAFF'S PROPOSAL, IF WE FEEL THAT ADDITIONAL RESEAN WE'LL CIRCLE BACK AND MAKE THAT REQUEST AGAIN. SO I WOULD LIKE TO JUST LEAF IT THE WAY IT IS. >>CAROLE POST: SOUND GOOD. THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE, SIR? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, SIR. WE HEARD A COMMENT THIS MORNING FROM A YOUNG LADY ON DAVIS ISLAND. SHE SAID SHE AND HER NEIGHBORS ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF A 30-FOOT TOWER BEING BUILT IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO HER HOUSE. SHE SAID THERE ARE ALTERNATIVE LOCATIONS, THAT AT&T COULD USE. I KNOW THE STATE LEGISLATURE DOES TIE OUR HANDS TO A CERTAIN EXTENT. I DON'T KNOW TO WHAT EXTENT. BUT I THINK THAT THIS IS KIND OF URGENT BEFORE THIS THING GETS UNDER CONSTRUCTION. SO I WOULD LIKE AN IMMEDIATE REPORT BACK FROM STAFF. I SPOKE WITH VIK ABOUT THIS I THINK YESTERDAY. SO IT'S NO SURPRISE TO HIM. BUT I WOULD LIKE AN IMMEDIATE REPORT BACK FROM STAFF AS RELATED TO THIS LADY'S CONCERN. I THINK SHE ALSO E-MAILED US ABOUT THIS AS WELL. SO YOU CAN SEE IF YOU CAN GET HER NAME AND ADDRESS AND CONTACT INFORMATION FROM THE E-MAIL. AND DO THIS AT OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS WHEN? AUGUST 26th? >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I ADD IN? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOUR DISTRICT. >>BILL CARLSON: I JUMPED IN ON THAT RIGHT AWAY AND TALKED TO SEVERAL EXPERTS IN THE INDUSTRY AND ALSO LEGAL, AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT STATE AND FEDERAL LAW COMPLETELY PREEMPT US ON THAT, AND SO I WON'T SAY THE NAME OF THE COMPANY, BUT WE FIGURED OUT WHICH COMPANY IT IS, AND I PUT HER IN TOUCH WITH SOMEBODY FROM THAT COMPANY, AND SO THAT PERSON RESPONDED TO ME, AND WE HAVE NO POWER OVER THEM TO GET THEM TO DO ANYTHING. BUT I JUST ASKED THAT PERSON IF THEY COULD HELP. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND I HEAR YOU, BILL, AND I AM AWARE THAT STATE AND FEDERAL LAW TIED OUR HANDS SIGNIFICANTLY, BUT MAYBE, LIKE THE LADY SAID THIS MORNING, MAYBE THEY JUST WANT T BE GOOD NEIGHBORS, AND MAYBE IF WE OFFERED THEM A BETTER LOCATION, IT WASN'T AS A TRUCE ON THE INDIVIDUAL NEIGHBORHOOD LAKE CITY PARK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND MAYBE THEY WOULD VOLUNTARILY -- MAYBE THEY WOULD VOLUNTARILY DO THAT. I ALSO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT STAFF, INCLUDED IN MY MOTION, WOULD BE THAT STAFF REPORTS TO THE ENTIRE CITY ABOUT THIS ISSUE, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY A FIRST TIME WE ARE DEALING WITH IT BUT IT SURELY WON'T BE THE LT. AND IF THEY START PUTTING THESE RATHER LARGE REFRIGERATED 5-G TOWERS AND IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO PEOPLE'S PROPERTY, THEN WE ARE GOING TO BE HEARING A LOT MORE ABOUT IT. SO WE MIGHT AS WELL GET AS INFORMED AS POSSIBLE. SO I JUST ASK STAFF AND LEGAL TO COME BACK TO US ON THE 26th UNDER STAFF REPORTS TO GIVE US AN UPDATE ON 5-G TOWERS AND SPECIFICALLY THIS TOWER ON DAVIS ISLAND. >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECONDED BY MR. CARLSON. ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I AM TRYING TO COMPETE WITH MR. VIERA. I HAVE ONE MORE BUT THIS IS A FUN ONE. APPARENTLY WE HAVE A YOUNG MAN AT HILLSBOROUGH HIGH SCHOOL, EITHER GRADUATE OR ATTENDEE, WHO IS PARTICIPATING IN THE OLYMPIC GAMES, AND TELLS ME HE CAME IN FOURTH IN THE 200 METERS AT THE AGE OF 18. 17. PRETTY IMPRESSIVE. SO WE WILL FIGURE OUT A DATE TO INVITE THIS YOUNG MAN TO COME DOWN AND GET A COMMENDATION FROM US. HIS NAME IS AR -- ERRIYON, KIGHTON, TO COME DOWN TO COUNCIL AND LET HIM TALK TO US ABOUT HIS OLYMPIC EXPERIENCE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO. ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>CHARLIE MIRAND THK Y, MR. CHAIRMAN. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THE BUDGET ADVICE COMMITTEE TO PRESENT THEIR FINDING ON MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 13, 2021 FOR THE FIRST 2022 BUDGET HEARING, AND THAT'S THE DATE THEY WANTED. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >>MARTIN SHELBY: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, IS THAT DATE OFTHE FIRST BUDGET HEARING? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES, FIRST BUDGET HEARING. >>MARTIN SHELBY: SO 5:01 IN THE EVENING. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: RIGHT, 5:01. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT. I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION TO BRING RECOMMENDATIONS BACK TO CITY COUNCIL IN AN UPCOMING AMENDMENT CYCLE, ONE, TO REVIEW THE DEFINITION OF RESIDENTIAL TO ADD CRITERIA TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS, TO CPA 46-60 FOR THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR CONSIDER CITY OR PLANNING COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARINGS RELATED TO SPECIFIC PARCEL OR PARCELS THAT INDICATE CONDITIONS THAT THE EFFECT OF THE REQUEST FOR RELIEF WILL INTERFERE WITH THE RIGHT TO CHAPTER 27, OR BEHIND RUS TOTAL PUBLIC HEALTH, GENERAL SAFETY AND PUBLIC WELFARE. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ACTUALLY, I SHOULDN'T SECOND IT. MR. CITRO SECOND IT. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECOND BY MR. CITRO. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY YAY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY? AND MR. MANISCALCO? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DO WE HAVE A DATE ASSOCIATED WITH YOUR MOTION? >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DIDN'T GIVE ME A DATE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHATEVER THE UPCOMING AMENDMENT CYCLE IS. IF WE CAN FIND OUT A TIMELINE. >>LANDGUDES: ALL RIGHT. MR. MANISCALCO, MR. CITRO, WE ARE ADJOURNED.