♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >>Chair Waters: ALOHA AND GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. WELCOME CAN WE PLEASE STAND FOR THE SING OF THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. HONORED AND PLEASED TO ARE RETIRED CHIEF JUSTICE MARK E. RED CARPET TO GIVE THE MESSAGE OF ALOHA. MARK RECKTENWALD. YEAR SINCE CHIEF JUSTICE MARK RECKTENWALD DELIVERED HIS FINAL STATE OF THE JUDICIARY ADDRESS. FEELS LIKE JUST YESTERDAY THAT HE STOOD BEFORE US AT THE STATE CAPITOL BIDDING US ALOHA WHILE RECOUNTING MOST REFOUND TEN END OF DISTINGUISHED CAREER. ENSURE THAT CASE ARE DECIDE FAIRLY AND EFFICIENTLY. FERVENTLY PROVIDE EQUAL ACCESS TO JUSTICE FOR ALL. PLOABOLDLY CREATIVE E'O INNOVATE PATHWAYS TO JUDICIAL TELL SYSTEM AND BUILD PUBLIC TRUST AND CONFIDENCE IN OUR COURTS. ADMIRED FOR MANY YEARS. FORMER STATE REPRESENTATIVE, SERVING CHAIR OF THE JUDICIAL COMMITTEE, WE WORKED TOGETHER, AND HONOR OF PARTICIPATING IN HIS NOMINATION AS CHIEF JUSTICE BH I S WHEN I SERVED ON THE JUDICIAL SELECTION SYSTEM. IMPACTS MONUMENT OL WIDE RANGING AND INVALUABLE TO US ALL. WHILE HIS SAGE DISCOME, REASSURING GUIDANCE AND STEADFAST LEADERSHIP. WISDOM, DEARLY MISS I HAD THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE, THAT WE ARE ALL OF BETTER OFF BECAUSE OF THE REMARKABLE CONTRIBUTIONS THAT HE HAS MADE TO OUR COMMUNITY, AND FOR HUSBAND ENDURING COMMITMENT TO TRUTH, JUSTICE AND EQUALITY FOR ALL LISTEN D HIS HISENDURIN. MESSAGE OF ALOHA FIRST ONE IN 2026. [APPLAUSE] >> GOOD MORNING ALOHA EVERYONE. THANK YOU CHIEF WATERS AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL FOR WELCOMING ME HERE TODAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. I TOLD SEVERAL OF YOU JUST AS I'VE BEEN HERE HOW MUCH I ADMIRE THE WORKING DONE BY THE COUNCIL. JUST LOOKING FROM THE OUTSIDE, SEEMS LIKE YOU WORK HARD AND.DISAGREEMENTS SOMETIMES BUT YOU SEEM LIKE YOU'RE ALWAYS FOCUSED ISSUES TRYING TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THE PEOPLE OF HONOLULU EVERYBODY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT AND FOR YOUR SERVICE. THESE AREN'T EASY TIMES. AND WE'LL NEED EVERY BIT OF ALOHA WITHIN US TO NAVIGATE THE CHALLENGES THAT ARE AHEAD. WHATEVER YOUR POLITICAL POINT OF VIEW, IT WAS DIFFICULT TO WATCH THE RECENT EVENTS IN MINNESOTA AND NOT FEEL PROFOUND SENSE OF SADNESS AND LOSS. FIRST FOREMOTOR, LOSS OF TWO LIVES YOUNG MOTOR, REIGN A GOOD A ICU NURSE ALEX PRETTE HEARTBREAKING SEE AND LOVE BED A ALOHA GOES OUT TO FAMILY AND FRIENDS, AND TO THE PEOPLE OF MINNEAPOLIS. I THINK WE ALL FEAR SOMETHING ELSE HAS BEEN LOST. HOPEFULLY NOT IRREPARABLABLY. SENSE HE OF RESPECTED AND GRACE CALL IT IN HAWAII, AL ALOHA, SHOULD GUIDE EVEN THE MOST CONTENTIOUS DEBATES IN OUR DEMOCRACY. HEAVILY ARM MASKED MAN IN THE STREETS, TEAR GAS AND PEPPER SPRAY WAFTS THROUGH THE AIR, FIVE-YEAR-OLD CHILD STARING STAREBLANKLY WONDERING FATHER JT WENT. I IMAGES. WHATEVER YOUR POLITICAL VIEWS YOU HAVE TO ASK IS THIS WHO WE ARE. IF THE ANSWER IS NO, YOU HAVE TO ASK ANOTHER QUESTION, HOW CAN I USE THE ALOHA THAT IS INSIDE ME TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. FOR ME, ONE PLACE WHERE I CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE IS BY ADVOCATING FOR THE RULE OF LAW. FANCY SOUNDING TERM COMES DOWN THIS TO. ENSURING LEGAL SYSTEM IS FAIR. RULES WHICH ARE CLEARLY STATED AND WHICH APPLY TO EVERYONE. WHETHER THEY'RE RICH OR POOR, POPULAR, OR HATED, LAW ENFORCEMENT OR DEMONSTRATORS. CRITICALLY, ARE THE PEOPLE SUPPOSED TO APPLY THOSE RULES AND PARTICULARLY JUDGES WHO PROVIDE IN OUR COURTS, IMPARTIAL AND ABLE TO CALL IT LIKE THEY SEE IT WITHOUT FEAR OR FAVOR. I DECIDED BEST WAY FOR ME TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE ORGANIZE WITH FORMER CHIEF JUSTICE ACROSS COUNTRY JOINING OUR VOICES TO SPEAK OUT. WE HAVE ABOUT 50 OF US FROM RED AND BLUE STATES AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN. CREATED ALLIANCE IN SUPPORT OF THE RULE OF LAW. THAT KIND OF MIDDLE GROUND IS HARD TO FIND THESE DAYS BUT IT'S PRECIOUS CONSIDER HOW YOU CAN FIND THAT MID GROUND COME TOGETHER DESPITE DIFFERENCES WITH A SENSE OF ALOHA. MIDDLE GROUND. SO I RETURN WHERE I STARTED IMPORTANCE OF ALOHA SPIRIT AND GUIDING OUR CONDUCT. PARTICULARLY WHEN WE ENGAGE WITH O OTHER HOLD VERY DIFFERENCE. 19 AT, DIFFERENT VIEWS. MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR. FIRST VISIT TO HAWAII AND ADDRESSED JOINT SESSION OF THE LEGISLATURE. HE SAID, AS I THINK OF THE STRUGGLE WE ARE INENGAGED SOUTH LAND LOOK TO YOU FOIRN PARTICIPATION AND NOBLE -- FOR INSPIRATION AND LOCAL EXAMPLE. EL AREA OF RACIAL HARMONY AND JUSTICE STRUGGLING TO A IT ACCOMPLISH IN OTHER SECTION OF THE COUNTRY. YOU CAN NEVER KNOW WHAT IT MEANS TO THOSE OF US CAUGHT IN THE MOMENT FOR THE MOMENT IN THE TRAGIC AFTEREN DARK AM I HAD NIGHT MAN'S INMUNICIPALTY TO -- INHUMANITY TO MAN. RACIAL JUSTICE MUCH WORK LEFT TO BE DONE BOTH IN HAWAII AND CROSS THE UNITED STATES, TO ACHIEVE JUSTICE FOR ALL. ALSO TRUE THAT HAWAII HAS SOMETHING UNIQUE TO OFFER. AS WE CONFRONT DEVICIVENESS DISILLUSIONMENT GRIP OUR NATION 250TH ANNIVERSARY DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE. SPIRIT OF ALOHA, WITNESSED IN 1959 AND ENSHRINED IN OUR LAW IN THE HAWAII LEE SURPRISED STATUTES. HRS 92-3.7. ALL BE GUIDED BY THAT SPIRIT AS WE GO FORWARD IN THESE CHALLENGING TIMES. ONCE AGAIN, MAHALO FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO JOIN YOU TODAY. AND BEST WHEREBIES FO WISH US FIRE PRODISK 2026. MAHALO AND ALOHA. FOR A PRODUCTIVE. 2026. BEST WISHES. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU CHIEF JUSTICE. LEADERSHIP WITH ALOHA. SO IMPORTANT. WE DO HAVE PROCEDURAL ANNOUNCEMENTS. ALL ROW REMOTE ORAL TESTIMONY PERMITTED THIS IS A REGULAR MEETING AND NOT A REMOTE MEETING BY INTERACTIVE CONFERENCE TECHNOLOGY UNDER HRS 92-3.7. THEREFORE, MEETING WILL CONTINUE NOTWITHSTANDING LOSS OF AUDIO-VISUAL CONTACT WITH REMOTE TESTIFIERS OR LOSS OF PUBLIC BROADCAST OF MEETING. MEMBERS PUBLIC WILL BE ALLOWED TO PROVIDE ORAL TESTIMONY ON ALL ITEMSES ON THE AGENDA EITHER IN PERSON COUNCIL CHAMBER OR REMOTELY. AS BOTH ENGLISH AND HAWAIIAN ARE OFFICIAL LANGUAGES OF THE STATE OF HAWAII, PURSUANT TO ARTICLE 15 SECTION 4 OF THE STATE OF HAWAII CONSTITUTION AND SECTION 1-13 OF THE HAWAII REVISED STATUTES MEMBERS PUBLIC MAY TESTIFY IN EITHER LANGUAGE. FOR ORAL TESTIMONIES OFFERED IN OLELO HAWAII, ADDITIONAL TIME AS MAY BE NECESSARY WILL BE A YOU LED FOR THE TESTIFIER TO ALLOWED TESTIFIER TO PROVIDE ENGLISH TRANSLATION OF THEIR TESTIMONY. BEFORE ANTIBEFORETESTIFYING. STATE FULL NAIL U NAME AND AGENDA ITEM. MAY NOT HAVE ANYONE ELSE READ THEIR STATEMENT. AND IS LIMITED TO A THREE MINUTE PRESENTATION ON PUBLIC HEARING ADD NEW BUSINESS ITEMS, AND ONE-MINUTE PRESENTATION ON ALL OTHER ITEMS. REGISTERED IN PERSON TIRES WILL BE CALLED FIRST. TESTIFIERS CALLED FIRST. PLEASE TO THE PODIUM AND BEGIN BY STATING YOUR NAME AND ITEM YOU'LL BE SPEAKING ON. WHEN I CALL FOR ANYONE NOT REGISTERED TO SPEAK, IN PERSON,ER PLEASE LINE UP TO THE RIGHT OF THE PODIUM AND WHO IT IS YOUR TURN, PROCEED TO THE PODIUM. BEGIN BY STAIGHT YOUR NAME AND ITEM YOU WILL BE SPEAKING ON. ALL PERSONS REGISTER TO TESTIFY REMOTELY BY VIDEO CONFERENCE OR PHONE, WILL THEN BE CALLED WHEN YOUR NAME IS CALLED. MONITOR YOUR SCREEN AND ACTIVATE YOUR AUDIOFEED AUDIOPROMPTED ANYONE ELSE STANDG BY REMOTELY. ZOOM RAISE HAND BUT BUTTON DESIGNATE YOUR DESIRE TO SPEAK. STAR 9 TO INDICATE YOUR DESIRE IS TO SPEAK. FOLLOWING FRIENDLY REMINDERS AND TIPS. VIDEO CONFERENCE QUIET LOCATION IF POSSIBLE. WATCHING PROCEEDING ON WILL HE, PLEASE MUTE YOUR TELEVISION WHEN YOU ARE CALLED TO TESTIFY. ON OLELO. TIMER ON THE SCREEN REACHES ZERO, PLEASE CONCLUDE YOUR REMARKS PROMPTLY. FOR THOSE JOINING US BY TELEPHONE ONLY, IDENTIFY BUT THE LAST THREE DIGITS OF YOUR PHONE NUMBER. WHEN YOUR NUMBER IS CALLED, PRESS STAR 9 TO UNMUTE YOURSELF WHEN PROMPTED. WRITTEN TESTIMONIES INCLUDING TESTIFIER'S ADDRESS, EMAIL ADDRESS AND PHONE NUMBER, WILL BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AS DESCRIED ON THE POSTED AGENDA COURTESY, PLEASE TURN OFF ALL CELL PHONES FOR THE DURATION OF THE MEETING. PURSUANT TO COMMUNICATION MOVEMENT M-12-26, RESOLUTION 28, MAYOR'S MESSAGE 12-26, REST LMESSAGE 26-8 ON PAGE 6. CONFIRMING APPOINTMENT OFFER STERLING HIGA TO SERVE ON THE ECONOMICS REVITALIZATION COMMISSION. OF THE CITY & COUNTY R CITY & COUNTY OF HONOLULU HAS BEEN CANCELED AND WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED. FOR INFORMATION, COUNCILMEMBER DOS SANTOS-TAM FILED DISCLOSURE OF INTEREST STATEMENT IDENTIFIED COUNCIL COMMUNICATION 8-26. CITY COUNCIL CLERK'S OFFICE ON BILL 63-2025, CD1 RELATING TO REAL PROPERTY TAXATION. KYLEED DISCLOSURE OF INTEREST STATEMENT CITY CLASHINGS OFFICE IDENTIFIED COUNCIL COMMUNICATION 9-26 RESOLUTION 25-321, CONFIRMING APPOINTMENT OF GAISON ONTAI TO THE FIRE COMMISSION OF THE CITY & COUNTY OF HONOLULU. COUNCIL COMMUNICATION 1026 RESOLUTION 26-13 COLIN IF I RECALLING APPOINTMENT OFEL COIN IF YOU REMEMBERING APPOINTMENT OF. NET COIRMING CONFIRM APPOINTMENT OF ROY KAMO TO THE CITY & COUNTY OF HONOLULU. ACTUALLY MEMBERS BEFORE WE START THE MEETING, CAN WE DO A MOMENT OF SILENCE, TO HONOR AND RECOGNIZES THE LIFE OF ROLE AND FS TAM, MD. TYLER DOS-SANTOS TAM PASSED AWAY ON DECEMBER 31. 2025. MR. TAM, DR. TAM, WAS A KALANI HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATE UNIVERSITY OF HAWAII, GRADUATOR, AND RECEIVEDDER MEDICAL DEGREE UN UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON. EMT EARS NOSES AND THROW THE DOCTOR. PRESIDENT OF HAWAII SOCIETY OF HEAD AND NECK SURGERY. I LOVE LEARNING THAT BOOGIE BOARD ON MAKAPU'U AND WAIKIKI WALL. EL LOVE FISHING PLAYING PROPOKERLISTENING TO JAZZ M MUST HIM UNIVERSITY OF HAWAII BASKETBALL GAME. EARLY BIG SUPPORTER GOING THROUGH BASKETBALL, VOLLEYBALL, BOTH MEN AND WOMEN. SO WITH YOUR INDULGENCE, LET'S HONOR DR. TAM WITH A MOMENT OF SILENCE. ( MOMENT OF SILENCE). >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU MEMBERS. COUNCILMEMBER DOS SANTOS-TAM. >>Councilmember Dos Santos Tam: THANK YOU CHAIR. I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE FOR THEIR KINDNESS. OBVIOUSLY VERY DIFFICULT TO LOSE A PARENT. AND EVERYONE IS JUST BEEN SO KIND TO ME AND MY MOM. AND MY BROTHERS. THANK YOU FOR HIGHLIGHTING SOME OF THE THINGS HE LOVED, SORT OF BASIC FACTS OBITUARY. CAN'T FULLY CAPTURE ALL OF THE MANY THINGS AND SO FAMILY HIS FRIENDS, EVERYONE WHO KNEW HIM, ALSO REMEMBER ALL OF THE OTHER THINGS SORT OF HIS QUIRKY DOFAYNESS AND HOW HE LOVED TO FEED BIRD R BIRDS IN MORNING. GOOFINESS MAKE AND EAT CHINESE FOOD AND POPEYE'S CHICKEN ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT HE LOVED. IT'S BEEN CERTAINLY A JOURNEY FOR MY MOM AND MY BROTHERS AND MYSELF, BUT AGAIN, EVERYONE BEEN SO KIND AND SHOWING THEIR ALOHA. I AM FOREVER GRATEFUL FOR THAT. MAHALO. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. HE WILL BE MISSED. MR. CLERK. ROLL CALL. >>Council Clerk: CHAIR,. >>Councilmember Cordero: (NO RESPONSE.) >>Councilmember Dos Santos Tam: HERE. >>Councilmember Kia'aina: HERE. >>Vice Chair Nishima: (NO RESPONSE.) >>Councilmember Okimoto: PRESENT. TUBE HERE. >>Councilmember Tulba: HERE. >>Councilmember Tupola: EMPLET O. >>Councilmember Weyer: HERE. >>Councilmember Waters: HERE. >>Council Clerk: CHAIR, NINE MEMBERS ARE PRESENT. >>Chair Dos SANTOS >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. FLOOR LEADER KIA'AINA, ANY GUESTS? >>Councilmember Kia'aina: THANK YOU. CHAIR. WE HAVE THE DIRECTOR OF DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND LAND MANAGEMENT. KEVIN AUGER, WE HAVE THE MEDICAL EXAMINER MASAHIKO KOBAYASHI. OF COURSE, WE HAVE THE MAYOR'S CHIEF OF STAFF IN THE AUDIENCE. AS WELL AS NOMINEES FOR THE VARIOUS BOAR BOARDS AN COMMISSIN STAKE HOLD, TESTIFYING TIDE AND THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE. ER TODAY AND COMMUNITY AT LARGE. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. VICE CHAIR TUPOLA. MOTION TO APPROVE MINUTES? TUPOLA MOVE THAT. >>Councilmember Tupola: MOVE THAT'S MINUTES OF THE DAY BE APPROVED. KIA'AINA SECOND. >>Chair Waters: MOVED AND SECONDED. MR. CLERK. ANY TESTIFIERS? >>Council Clerk: CHAIR, WE HAVE NONE. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. ANY DISCUSSION MEMBERS? SEEING NONEMENT ANY OBJECTIONS OR RESERVATIONS NOTING NO OBJECTION OR RESERVATIONS, MINUTES HAVE BEEN APPROVED. TOP OF PAGE P 4. ORDER OF THE DAY. ZONING AND COMMIT U PLANNING. >>Councilmember Kia'aina: 16-26 AND 25-320 CD AS AMENDED BE ADOPTED. >>Vice Chair Tupola: SECOND. >>Chair Waters: MOVED AND SECONDED. COUNCILMEMBER KIA'AINA FOR THE EXPLANATION. >>Councilmember Kia'aina: CONFIRMS REAPPOINTMENT OF THIELEN TO SERVE ON THE BUILDING BOARD OF APPEALS OF THE CITY AND COUNTY OF HONOLULU. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU THANK YOUSO MUCH. ALOHA MISS THIELEN. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TODAY. WOULD YOU LIKE SAY A FEW WORDS.>>Testifier: ALOHA CHAIR WATERS. VICE CHAIR TUPOLA, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. I STAND HERE BEFORE YOU TODAY HONORED TO HAVE SERVED ON BUILDING BOARD OF APPEALS FOR ONE TERM AND I'M UP FOR REAPPOINTMENT. I HUMBLY VOLUNTEER MY ASSIST SERVICES TO CONTINUE. I DID PROVIDE SOME, WRITTEN INFORMATION ABOUT WAYS THAT I THINK THE COUNCIL MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER IMPROVING THE FUNCTION OF THE BUILDING BOARD OF APPEALS. AND WITH THAT, I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU SO MUCH. MEMBERS ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE NOMINEE? SEEING NONE. THANK YOU. NO, NOMINEE. ANY TESTIFIERS. >>Chair Waters: >>Council Clerk: CHAIR, WE HAVE NONE. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU ANY DISCUSSION MEMBERS? COUNCILMEMBER TUPOLA HAD. >>Councilmember Tupola: TOMB. >>Vice Chair Tupola: THANK YOU SO MUCH. WANTED TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT. WORKING WITH US, COUNCIL FOR MANY YEARS. CONSTRUCTION, HOUSING, ALWAYS AVAILABLE, ALWAYS GIVING US GOOD INPUT. I WILL READ WHAT WAS WRITTEN ABOUT MAYBE HOW CAN HE MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT. GRATEFUL FOR VOLUNTEERS AND I JNT TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE GOOD WORK THAT A LOT OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS DO TO HELP US DO OUR JOB BETTER. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED SERVICE. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION MEMBERS? SEEING NONE. ANY OBJECTION OR RESERVATIONS? NOTE BEING NO OBJECTIONS OR RESERVATIONS, CR16-26 AND RESOLUTION 25-320 CD1 HAS BEEN ADOPTED. CONGRATULATIONS AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. [APPLAUSE] BOTTOM OF PAGE 4. COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC SAFETY AND ECONOMY. >>Councilmember Tulba: 18-26 AND RESOLUTION 25-321 BE ADOPTED. >>Chair Waters: COUNCILMEMBER KIA'AINA. FOR THE SECOND. >>Councilmember Kia'aina: SECOND? MOVED AND SECONDED. COUNCILMEMBER TULBA FOR THE EXPLANATION. >>Councilmember Tulba: APPOINTMENT OF SERVE ON THE FIRE COMMISSION CITY & COUNTY OF HONOLULU. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU SO MUCH. GAISON ONTAI. PRESENT? WELCOME. LEGAL FIREWORKS CHAIR. COUNCILMEMBERS. MAHALO FOR YOUR TIME AND APPRECIATE ALL THE SUPPORT. ALOHA COUNCILMEMBERS. PROCESSED DURING THIS CONFIRMATION PRECEDING. LOOK FORWARD TO THE OPPORTUNITY SERVE OUR COMMUNITY AND TO SUPPORT ENTIRE FIRE HONOLULU FIRE DEPARTMENT. HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS MAHALO. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. MEMBERS QUESTIONS FOR THE NOMINEE? THANK YOU SIR. ANY TESTIFIERS? P WE HAVE NONE. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. ANY DISCUSSION MEMBERS? SEEING NO. ANY OBJECTIONS OR RESERVATIONS? NOTING NO OBJECTION OR RESERVATIONS, CR18-26 AND RESOLUTION 25-321 HAS BEEN ADOPTED. THANK YOU MR. GAISON ONTAI AND CONGRATULATIONS. [APPLAUSE] TOP OF PAGE 5, COUNCILMEMBER TULBA. >>Councilmember Tulba: CR1926 AND RESOLUTION 25-322 BE ADOPTED. KIA'AINA SECOND. >>Chair Waters: MOVED AND SECONDED. COUNCILMEMBER TULBA FOR THE EXPLANATION. >>Councilmember Tulba: CONFIRMING APPOINTMENT OF GARY YABUTA TO SERVE ON THE POLICE COMMISSION OF THE CITY & COUNTY OF HONOLULU. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU SO MUCH. MR. GARY YABUTA HERE? NO. I DID GET A CHANCE TO TALK TO MR. YOGARY YABUTA REACHED OUT. IMPRESS BED BY HIM AND HIS POLICE BACKGROUND. CHIEF OF STAFF,ER ANDY SUGG. >>Testifier: THANK YOU. ON HIS WAY LITTLE MICK UP WITH THE TIME. MIX UP WITH THE TIME. SHOULD BE HERE IN JUST A FEW MINUTES HE WILL BE HERE SHORTLY. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. LET'S POSTPONE THIS UNTIL HE GETS HERE. MOVING TO THE TOP MUCH PAGE 6. AS I MENTIONED RESOLUTION 26-8 CANCELED. RESOLUTION 26-9, CONFIRMING APPOINTMENT OF PERRY WHITE TO SERVE ON THE ETHICS COMMISSION OF CITY & COUNTY OF HONOLULU. IS MR. WHITE HERE? THANK YOU FOR BEING ER OAHU. WOULD YOU LIKE TO S SAY A FEW FW WORDS? U I'LL TRY TO KEEP FEW WORDSMENT THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LETTING ME COME HERE. BEING ON THE COMMISSION WOULD BE A TREMENDOUS EXPERIENCE FOR ME. AND MORE IMPORTANTLY I THINK IT WOULD GIVE ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO PAY BACK SOMETHING TO THE COMMUNITY THAT HAS GIVEN ME SO MUCH. I'M NOT GOING TO BORE YOU WITH MY RESUME. YOU HAVE COPIES. I GREW UP HERE. GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL. DOWN THE STREET FROM ROOSEVELT AND HAVE MANAGED TO WORK AS ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNER IN HAWAII FOR THE PAST 50 YEARS. DURING THAT TIME LOOKED AT IT'S A LOT OF ISSUES TO DO WITH ETHICS FARRINGTON HIGHWAY HIGHWAY--TRIED TO MY BEST. HOPE TO CONTRIBUTE MORE OF THAT IN THE FUTURE IF I WAS APPROVED. MEETING COMING WEEKS WITH ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO AND TRY TO ANSWER ANY DETAILED QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>Chair Waters: WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. IN ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE NO, MA'AM. NOMINEE. SEEING NONE. THANK YOU. MR. CLERK. ANY TESTIFIERS? >>Council Clerk: CHAIR, WE HAVE NONE. >>Chair Waters: MEMBERS WE'RE IN DISCUSSION. SEEING NONE. RESOLUTION 26-9 HAS BEEN REFERRED TO THE COMMITTEE ON INTERNATIONAL AND LEGAL AFFAIRS. TURNING BACK TO PAGE 5. I SEE MR. ABS ABS GARY YABUTA I. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORD. >> APOLOGIZE FOR BEING LATE. WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN. HONORED TO BE HERE AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT COUNCIL MAY HAVE. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. MEMBERS QUESTIONS FOR THE NOMINEE? THANK YOU SIR. AS I MENTIONED, FEW FEW MINUTES AGO DID GET A CHANCE TO MEET WITH YOU ONE-ON-ONE AND WE'RE VERY IMPRESSED WITH YOUR CREDENTIALS. AND YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SERVE. SO THANK YOU. >>Testifier: THANK YOU CHAIR. >>Chair Waters: MR. CLERK, ANY TESTIFIERS? >>Council Clerk: CHAIR, LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE ONE PERSON IN THE CHAMBER. >>Chair Waters: ALOHA. PLEASE RODE. > PROCEED. >>Testifier: ALOHA. ALOHA THANK YOU FOR COMING ON BOARD TO JOIN THE POLICE COMMISSIONERS. I'M THERE ALL THE TIME. LAST TIME WE HAD THE POLICE COMMERCIAL MEETING I DIRECTOR APUNAED MORE INTEL ABOUT THE EPICSTEIN FILES AND PEDOPHILE GLOBAL TRAFFIC DRUG SMOWLGING. HOPE SMOGELLING SHARE SOME SMUGGLING HELP SHARE LIGHT AND NAIL PERPETRATORS FIGURE THAT OUT TOGETHER. WELCOME O BOARD. EL SUPPORT FOR YOU. ALOHA. THE. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. >>Testifier: THANK YOU SERVE I APPRECIATE THAT. >>Chair Waters: IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO TESTIFY? PLEASE PROCEED. >>Testifier: GOOD MORNING TIM GARY. I SUPPORT MR. GARY YABUTA ON THE COMMISSION. BUT I ALSO LIKE TO EXPRESS MY DISAPPOINTMENT IN THE CURRENT POLICE COMMISSION. UTMOST INEFFICIENCIES. BEEN OUT. BEEN WITHOUT A POLICE CHIEF FOR MONTHS NOW. AND THEY'RE NOW JUST GETTING AROUND TO PICKING A CONSULTANT TO GO THROUGH THE BACKGROUND CHECK. IF THIS WAS UP TO THE MAYOR, TO PICK OUR POLICE CHIEF, I'M SURE IT WOULDN'T TAKE THIS LONG. THE CATHOLIC CHURCH CAN APPOINTED A NEW POPE IN A MATTER OF WEEKS. BUT IT SEEMS TO TAKE THE POLICE COMMISSION UP TO A YEAR TO APPOINTED A NEW CHIEF. THE PROBLEM IS IN THE SYSTEM. AND I HOPE THE CHARTER COMMISSION WILL CHANGE THIS. THANK YOU. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU MR. GARY. ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO TESTIFY? SEEING NONE. MEMBERS WE'RE IN DISCUSSION. COUNCILMEMBER TUPOLA. >>Councilmember Tupola: WANTS TO SPEAK IN FAVOR AND IN SUPPORT MR. GARY YABUTA. I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE ADMINISTRATION FOR THEIR RECENT NOMINATIONS REALLY HELPED TO ROUND OUT AND SHAPE THE COMMISSION. SO I THINK TO MR. GARY'S POINT NEEDED KIND OF SOME OF THIS GUIDANCE OBVIOUSLY WITH YOUR BACKGROUND FORMER CHIEF OF POLICE. OTHER COMMISSIONERS BACKGROUND WITH MULTIPLE CHIEF OF POLICE AREAS THAT HE SERVED IN. VERY, VERY HELPFUL. AND I DO THINK CURRENTLY, THE CONSULTANT HAS ALREADY BEEN CHOSEN AND IS ACTUALLY MEETING WITH PEOPLE I WANT TO SAY RAN INTO HIM, ALREADY LIKE 12 OR 20 PEOPLE HE HAD ONLY BEEN HERE FOR A FEW DAYS. >> KNOW THAT ALL OF US ARE VERY ANXIOUS. WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. WITH THE NEW DIRECTION OF HPD. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THE COMMISSION HAS HUGE JOB. WE'RE PUTTING A VERY BIG JOB, VERY BIG RESPONSIBILITY ON YOU. SO IN ALL THE WORDS THAT WE'VE EVER SAID TO THEM, THEY WANT TO MOVE SO EXAMPLE DISHESLY AND ALSO CORK CAUTIOUSLY MAKE SURE VERY VETTING WE'VE BEEN TO TOO MANY CHIEF OF POLICE RECENTLY. TOO MUCH TURNOVER. EXPEDITIOUSLY WE WANT TO DO DO WELL AND CONFIDENT YOU'RE THE RIGHT GUY TO BE ON THE COMMISSION AT THIS TIME RIGHT NOW. THTHANK YOU FOR OUR BACKGROUND AND SERVICE AND BEING WILLING. >>Chair Waters: FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. OBJECTIONS OR RESERVATIONS? NOTING NO OBJECTION OR RESERVATIONS, CR19-26 AND RESOLUTION 25-322 HAS BEEN ADOPTED. THANK YOU. CONGRATULATIONS. [APPLAUSE] MEMBERS MOVING BOTTOM OF PAGE 6. RESOLUTION 26-10. CON TURNING APPOINTMENT OF JULIE PIOTROWSKI TO SERVE ON THE GRANTS IN I HAD AND A ADVISORY COMMISSION TO THE CITY & COUNTY OF HONOLULU. ALOHA. WELCOME. GRANTS IN AID. >>Testifier: ALOHA. CHAIR WATERS AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. SO HONORED TO BE HERE THIS MORNING. AND TO BE CONSIDER FOR THIS POSITION. TO SERVE MY COMMUNITY AND ISLAND THAT I LOVE. I BEGAN MY PUBLIC SERVICE OVER 25 YEARS AGO. GROUND ZERO IN NEW YORK. VERY YOUNG. MY FIRST VOLUNTEER ROLE. AND IN A STARTED TWO DECADES OF PUBLIC SERVICE FOR ME. AT LOCAL LEVEL AND ULTIMATELY FEDERAL LEVEL. WORK AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT. WASHINGTON IT. C. FOR CABINET SECRETARIES MOST RECENTLY. SPEECH WRITER FOR,ER CDC DIRECTOR. MY HUSBAND AND I FIRST CAME TO HAWAII IN 2018. HE PROUD MEMBER OF THE U.S. NAVY AND BOTH OF US ARE NEW BUSINESS OWNERS HERE IN HAWAII. WE OWN APARTMENT AND WE ARE VERY MUCH COMMITTED TO CONTRIBUTING HERE ON THE ISLAND THAT WE LOVE. AND AVAILABLE FOR ME QUESTION INN QUESTIONS. VERY IMPORTANT POSITION FOR THE GRANTS COMMITTEE. ONE THAT IS NONPOLITICAL AND REQUIRES MUCH ATTENTION TO THE DATA AND VALUATING THE INFORMATION TO APPROVE APPLICATIONS WITH INTEGRITY. THANK YOU. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. MEMBERS ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE NO, MA'AM. NO, MA'AM. NOMINEE KIA'AINA THANK YOU. THANK YOU MISS YAZMIN PITPIT FOR PUTTING YOUR NAME FORWARD. JULIE PIOTROWSKIER I DO, CLEARLY WITH REGARD TO QUALIFICATION I HAVE NO DOUBT IN ISOLATED ENVIRONMENT, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST HAVE TOP NOTCH CREDENTIALS. I AM CONCERNED HOWEVER, THAT WITH THIS COMMISSION, BECAUSE OF THE SCARCITY OF FUNDS AN IMPACT FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THERE IS A LOT OF WORTHY NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS WHO ARE NOT GETTING FUNDING. AND SO FOR ME, WHEN I'M LOOKING WITH REGARD TO COMMISSIONERS, WOULD BE PEOPLE WHO HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF OUR COMMUNITIES AND SO WHILE YOU'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 2018, I'M NOT SURE THAT YOU KNOW A LOT ABOUT OUR NONPROFIT WORLD AND COMPLEXITY OF STRUGGLES THAT ARE COMMUNITIES ARE FACING. SO CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT A LILILLY KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A HEARING AND I CAN ASK MORE QUESTIONS THERE EX-BUT I NEED TO TELL YOU ARE YOUR, YOU WOULD BE EXCELLENT CANDIDATE FOR A TOP TIER JOB ACTUALLY IN THE ADMINISTRATION. I DON'T NECESSARILY BELIEVE IT MAY BE ON THIS COMMISSION. BECAUSE THINGS ARE REALLY TOUGH RIGHT NOW. AND I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR SOMEONE IN THIS POSITION TO UNDERSTAND GEOGRAPHICALLY, ALL THE ISLAND, ALL OF OUR COMMUNITIES, AN MISSIONS OF THE VARIOUS NONPROFITS. WHAT IS YOUR FAMILIARITY WITH THE VARIOUS COMMUNITIES ON OAHU AND THE NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS? >>Testifier: SURE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND. TOUGH TIME CERTAINLY AS YOU SAY. WITH THE DECREASE IN FEDERAL FUNDING AND SO THESE ORGANIZATION ARE RELYING VERY MUCH ON LOCAL FUNDS AND WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS AN EQUITABLE DISTRIBUTION AND THE EVERYONE IS CONSIDERED. I DO KNOW THAT THERE WAS A RECENT CHANGES MADE TO LOWER THE AWARD AMOUNT. I THINK FROM 200,000 TO 150,000. SO THAT MORE GROUPS WOULD BE ELIGIBLE. I KNOW THAT APPLICATIONS ARE UP CONSIDERABLY. THINK IT'S 192 UP FROM 140. 145. SO IT'S CERTAINLY NEED IS THERE. THERE'S A DEMONSTRATED NEED. I CAN TELL YOU THAT I AM AVID READER OF MOST OF THE PRESS AND THE COVERAGE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING IN ALL OF THE COMMUNITIES HERE FROM THE NORTH SHORE TO EAST SIDE, THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF SERVICES THAT ARE NEEDED FROM AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO HEALTH CARE ACCESS, EXPANSION, MALL TEENAGER CHILD HEALTH. MATERNAL CHILD HEALTH. COMMITTEE HAS DETERMINED THE PARAMETERS FOR WHICH THE APPLICATIONS ARE TO BE VOLCANO WAITED. SO VALUATED SO THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I DETERMINE THAT I CAN TELL YOU, THAT WITH UTMOST INTEGRITY, I WILL ADHERE TO THOSE PARAMETERS FOR EVALUATING APPLICANTS SO THAT THEY WILL RECEIVE EQUAL CONSIDERATION NONPOLITICAL CONSIDERATION, AS LONG AS THEIR ALLO AIL APPLICATIONS ARE COMPLETE. I THINK NEW CHECKLIST APPROACH TO HOW THESE ORGANIZATIONS -- HELP THESE ORGANIZATIONS JUST PUT TOGETHER A MORE COMPLETE PRESENTATION SO THAT TIME IS NOT LOST, HAVING TO GO BACK TO SOME ORGANIZATIONS THAT REALLY ARE SHORT STAFFED AND SO I THINK MY PERCEPTION FROM WEST OAHU I UND I WHEN I UNDERSTAND M THERE GROUP REALLY COMMITTED TO MAKE SHOOING THAT YOU ARE THEY ARE REACHING -- MAKE SURE THEY ARE REACHING OUT AND DOING MORE MARKETING TO REACH MORE COMMUNITIES MAY NOT CONSIDERED APPLYING PROVIDE THEM WITH THE A TOOLS AND ASSISTANCE TO APPLY AND I WILL BE GOOD STEWARD OF THOSE FUNDS AND ALSO, TO BE RELAY SON AS NEEDED ADD -- DID LIAISON AND NEEDED AND APPROPRIATE. KIA'AINA THANK YOU FOR THAT ANSWER. NO DOUBT THAT YOU CAN. CONCERN CONTINUES TO BE THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND OUR COMMUNITIES AND ACTUALLY HAVE DEMONSTRATED EXPERIENCE OF WORKING WITH NOT JUST OUR COMMUNITIES BUT WITH NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU IN COMMITTEE. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU SO MUCH. MEMBERS ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE NOMINEE? SEEING NONE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I BELIEVE WE HAVE ONE REGISTERED TESTIFIER. NATALIE IWASA. ALOHA, WELCOME MANY HAPPY NEW YEAR. >>Testifier: HAPPY NEW YEAR CHAIR COUNCILMEMBERS. NATALIE IWASA FOR THE RECORD. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR 10 SOMETHING FORWARD STEPPING FORWARD. NOT GOING TO TRY TO SAY YOU'RE LAST NAME. ER SHOULD YOU BE APPOINTED THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THESE APPLICATIONS, I HE UNDERSTAND MORE OF A NEED OUT THERE, THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THE APPLICANTS ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR LAWS, STATE A GRANTS WENT OUT RECENTLY AND I KNOW COUPLE OF THEM WERE NOT IN COMPLIANCE. WE SHOULD NOT BE SPENDING TAXPAYOR MONEY THAT WAY. I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION HOWEVER THAT I HOPE YOU AND ALL OF THE APPOINTEES ARE POTENTIAL APPOINTEES FEEL FREE FOR VOICE THEIR OPINIONS. SHOULD NOT BE ANY FEAR OF RETALIATION OR R RETRIBUTION ON THE APPOINTEES OR ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO SPEAK THEIR OPINION. AND HOLD GOVERNMENT OR GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS ACCOUNTABLE. SO THANK YOU THAT'S MY TESTIMONY. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO COMMITTEE HEARING. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE COMMUNITY WHO WOULD LIKE TO TESTIFY? SEEING NONE. THANK YOU. MEMBERS WE'RE IN DISCUSSION. HEARINGEN NONE. RESOLUTION 26-10 HAS BEEN REFERRED TO THE COMMITTEE COMMITTEE ON. TURNING TO PAGE 7. RESOLUTION 26-11. CONFIRMING REA IMMINENT PO OFFER DEBBIE SERVE FIRE COMMISSION CITY & COUNTY OF HONOLULU. ALOHA MISS I ELENEKI. >> ALOHA GOOD MORNING. HONORABLE COUNCILMEMBERS. NJFIRECOMMISSION SINCE APRIL 20. SEEK REAPPOINTMENT TO SERVE ANOTHER TERM. THIS YEAR, FOR THE DEPARTMENT, THEY FACED A LOT CHALLENGES IN 2025. WITH THE MOST SIGNIFICANT BEING LINE OF DUTY DEATH OF FIFIREFIGHTER ONE JEFFREY ON JANUARY 6. SOMETHING WAS VERY APPARENT AS I WATCHED THEM NAVIGATE AS AN ORGANIZATION AND AS INDIVIDUALS NAVIGATE THAT TRAGEDY. OTHER CHALLENGES THROUGH THE 2025. AND THAT THEY PUT THEIR PEOPLE FIRST. AND THAT REALLY GOOD AT BONDING TOGETHER AND UNIFYING AS ONE FAMILY TO NAVIGATE THESE CHALLENGES AND TYPE OF TRAGEDY. IT'S BEEN A CONSISTENT BEHAVIOR IN THE DEPARTMENT. AND I CAN SAY THAT BECAUSE I WAS PRIVILEGED TO WHERE THE UNIFORM FOR NEARLY 32 YEARS. HONORED AND HUMBLED TO SHARE THAT I WAS FIRST FEMALE FIREFIGHTER TO JOIN HFD IN 1987. AND I RETIRED IN 2018. AS FIRST FEMALE BATTALION FIRE CHIEF. SO I GUESS SIMPLY PUT I WANT TO CONTINUE TO SERVE OUR PUBLIC AND SUPPORT DEPARTMENT THAT HAS SUPPORTED ME. AND SO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY AND I THINK SITTING IN THIS CAPACITY, WILL ALLOW ME THE PRIVILEGE AND OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. MAHALO. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. MEMBERS ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE NOMINEE? SEEING NONE. THANK YOU. TUPOLA CHAIR QUESTION. >>Chair Waters: I'M SORRY. COUNCILMEMBER OKIMOTO. >>Councilmember Okimoto: THANK YOU CHAIR. ALOHA GOOD MORNING. HAPPY TO HAVE YOU HERE WITH US. THANK YOU FOR YOU ARE YOUR CONTINUED DESIRE TO SERVE ON THE COMMISSION. WE ALL NEED WE SHOULD KNOW THAT'SEL SUPPLIER I. YOU GUYS ARE NOT PAID. I'VE ALWAYS BEEN GRATEFUL FOR YOUR PRIOR EXPERIENCE, CURRENT EXPERIENCE AND ALL YOU CAN BRING TO THE COMMISSION. YOU DID MENTION SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE UNFORTUNATE INCIDENTS IN THE DEPARTMENT. FROM LAST YEAR. THERE ARE OTHERS, WHAT ARE YOUR GOALS MOVING FORWARDER? YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU'RE YOU WERE ABLE TO SEE HOW THE DEPARTMENT WAS ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD. BOND TOGETHER. BAND TOGETHER. AS YOU CONTINUE, NOW YOU'RE COMING AS MORE OF A EXPERIENCED MEMBER OF THE ON THE COMMISSION, WHILE WE HAVE NEW PEOPLE COMING. WHAT ARE YOUR GOAL AND YOUR TAKEAWAYS LEARNING FROM WHAT YOU HAVE, MOVING FORWARD, TO HELP THE DEPARTMENT ALWAYS TO IMPROVE? ESPECIALLY IN ADDRESSING SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT HE OCCURRED LAST YEAR? >>Testifier: ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT WAS WE DID WAS LOOK IN THE MIRROR. FIRE DEPARTMENT IS GOING THROUGH THEIR SIXTH ACCREDITATION. THAT IS THERE IS OVER 30,000 FIRE DEPARTMENTS IN THE COUNTRY. AND THEY ARE ONLY 1% OF THAT 30,000 DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE SEEKING ACCREDITATION THAT HAVE LEARNED ACCREDITATION AND VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THAT, SEEKING THEIR SIXTH ACCREDITATION. SO THAT IS A SELF-ASASSESSMENT OF THEM. LOOKING IN THE MIRROR. AND PUTTING THEM UP AGAINST INDUSTRY STANDARDS AND BENCHMARKS FROM A THIRD-PARTY VALOR. VALUE EVALUATOR COMMISSION TO LOOK INTERNALLY AT OURSELVES. AND SEE WHERE WE CAN IMPROVE EFFICIENCIES. TO MOVE FORWARD STRATEGICALLY. AS ONE BODY. WHEN YOU SPEAK ABOUT THE ANKLE R CHALLENGES MOVING FORWARD, IMPORTANT THAT WE CONTINUE TO SUPPORT, SOME OF THEIR PEER SUPPORT PROGRAMS, WHICH FOCUSEDDENS ON THE MORALE. WELLNESS AND RECREATION OF OUR, UNIFORMED MEMBERS. NOT JUST THE UNIFORM. WE HAVE A A TREMENDOUS CIVILIAN STAFFS THAT SUPPORTS US. AND HAVE BEEN A CONSISTENT BODY THERE WHEN THE UNIFORM CYCLES THROUGH WITH EACH ADMINISTRATION. EL SO NOT OVERLOOKING THAT PART AS WELL. >>Councilmember Okimoto: THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT. THANK YOU. I REALLY DO APPRECIATE WE ALL HAVE SHARED HOW MUCH WE SUPPORT AND RESPECT FIRST RESPONDERS. AND I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO ALL THAT YOU CAN OFFER. ALWAYS A POSITIVE THING WHEN WEES MEMBERS CAN SEE THAT ON THE ECONOMIES, WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT DAVE & BUSTER'S COMMISSION ON THE GROUND -- ON THE COMMISSION, ON THE GROUND EXPERIENCE. THANKFUL WE HAVE THAT RELATIONSHIP. LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING, I HAVE APPRECIATED WHEN THE COMMISSION LIKE YOU YOUR REACH T TO US AS COUNCILMEMBERS. ENCOURAGE YOU TO YOUR FELLOW COMMERCIAL TO CONTINUE TO DO THE SAME. DOESN'T ALWAYS HAPPEN IN EVERY SCENARIO. ER HELPFUL FOR US BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT YOU GUYS THE BEST WE CAN. SO THANK YOU. >>Testifier: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. MEMBERS ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. RESOLUTION 26 --- >> CHAIR. >>Chair Waters: COUNCILMEMBER TUPOLA. >>Councilmember Tupola: I WANTED TO BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION. DO WE TAKE TESTIMONY ALREADY? >>Chair Waters: NO. GOOD POINTS. MR. CLERK ANY TESTIFIERS? >>Council Clerk: CHAIR, WE HAVE NONE. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER TUPOLA. >>Councilmember Tupola: I WANTED TO SAY, THANK YOU. I FEEL LIKE I'M LOOKING AT THE REEL SUN. HFD RIGHT HERE. LITERALLY FEEL IT WHEN YOU'RE AROUND AND WHEN I WENT TO THE 150TH CELEBRATION, I KID NOT, JUST SO IMPRESSED, I MIGHT HAVE SAID TO YOU, MIGHT NOT, YOU'RE ON THE COMMISSION. BUT YOU WERE ALSO FIREFIGHTER AND I JUST KNOW THERE'S A LOT THAT COULD BE IMPROVED BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE THE OVERALL SENTIMENT WAY IT WAS PUT TOGETHER, HONOR THAT WAS GIVEN, TO HOW THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CAME ABOUT, THE HONOR OF THE HAWAIIAN CULTURE THAT HAPPENED, THE FOOD, THE DANCING, HPD CAN JUST GET TOGETHER A HULA LIKE HOW YOU GUYS GOT THE HULA TOGETHER, MY GOODNESS, I JUST WAS SO IMPRESSED. I JUST WARRANTS TO SAY THANK YOU BECAUSE-WANT TO SAY THANK YOU ISN'T SOMETHING HAPPENED THIS YEAR, TODAY. THIS IS YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS OF HFD BUILDING THIS LEGACY OF PEOPLE CARING THIS. HOW YOU MENTIONED. JUST WANTED TO SHARE MY THOUGHTS ON THIS. BECAUSE IT'S STILL KIND OF IMPACTED ME TILL TODAY. AFTER I LEFT, JUST SO BLOWN AWAY. SO WHATEVER SMALL PART YOU HAD IN IT, AND OF COURSE, YEARS AGO OF YOUR SERVICE JUST THANK YOU AND THANK Y YOU BEINGING IT TO CONTINUE YOUR SERVICE ON THE COMMISSION. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER KIA'AINA. >>Councilmember Kia'aina: THANK YOU CHAIR. I ALSO WANTED TO JUST COMMEND DEBBIE FOR STEPPING FORWARD AGAIN. GOOD TO SEE YOU ARE YOU.FIRE AND MITIGATION OVERALL FIRE MITIGATION IS IMPORTANT NOT ONLY FOR OAHU ALL THE STATE OF HAWAII. AND I THINK THAT WE ARE STILL LEARNING ABOUT HOW TO STRENGTHEN OUR CAPACITY WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. POST LAHAINA. PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE CHAIR AUGIE TUB TULBA HOPING TO WORK WITH THE MAJOR STAKEHOLDERS NOT JUST HFD, AND OTHER FIRST RESPONDERS BUT BOTH HECO AND LARGE LANDOWNERS KAMEHAMEHA SCHOOLS, BECAUSE THE LIABILITY THAT WAS INCURRED POST LAHAINA FIRES, WAS COLLECTIVE IN NATURE. AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, I GUESS I'M JUST TRYING TO IMPART TO YOU WHAT IS ON MY MIND BECAUSE IT'S SO IMPORTANT AND WE GO TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BOARDS AND PEOPLE ARE WORRIED. NOT JUST ABOUT THE CURRENT CAPACITY FOR BOOTS ON THE GROUND, TO EXIT, DURINGEL DISASTERS NATURAL DISASTERS, BUT WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE EXIT STRATEGIES IN EACH COMMUNITY. SO I'M JUST DELIGHTED THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE RE-UPPING AND HOPEFULLY, YOU CAN WORK IN TANDEM WITH HFD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE FOLLOW THROUGH. AND THAT THE CITY ADMINISTRATION INDEED HAS A CONCRETE OVERALL FIRE MITIGATION STRATEGY FOR OUR COMMUNITIES. THANK YOU. >>Testifier: EXCITED THAT YOU BROUGHT THAT UP. FAILED TO MENTION VALUE OKAMOTO COUNCILMEMBERS, THAT WAS ONE OF THE POINTS THAT I DID WANT TO RAISE. INTERAGENCY COOPERATION. AND MORE OF A ALL HAZARDs APPROACH. TO INT INCIDENT MANAGEMENT AND MITIGATION. REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S NATURAL DISASTERS, OR SOMETHING THAT IS M MANMADE WE E ALL HAZARDSES APPROACH FOLLOWING THE NATIONAL INCIDENT MANAGEMENT SYSTEM WHICH FALLS UNDER, PRESIDENTIAL DECLARATION. HOMELAND SECURITY. NUMBER 5. I'M EXCITED TO HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS. WITH YOU. VICE CHAIR KIA'AINA. OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE AS WELL. AS CHAIR TULBA. THANK YOU. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. MEMBERS ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. RESOLUTION 26-11. HAS BEEN REFERRED TO THE COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC SAFETY. MIDDLE OF PAGE. 7. RESOLUTION 26-12. CONFIRMING REAPPOINTMENT OFEL DEBORAH LUI-ANDERSON SERVE ON THE ECONOMIC REVITALIZATION COMMISSION OF THE CITY & COUNTY OF HONOLULU. IS DEBORAH LUI-ANDERSON PRESENT? ALOHA. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS? >>Testifier: HI. IT HAS BEEN ACTUALLY PRIVILEGE TO BE ABLE TO REPRESENT, REPRESENTATIVE FOR SMALL BUSINESS ON THE OER COMMISSION. WE'VE WORKED REALLY HARD AND IT WAS A LEARNING CURVE COMING OFF OF COVID. AT THE DB PART OF THE INAUGURAL COMMISSION. AND I FEEL WE REALLY WORKED TOGETHER AND WE'RE STARTING TO HIT OUR STRIDE. SO I LOOK FORWARD TO SERVING AGAIN. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. MEMBERS ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE NO, MA'AM. >>John:? -- NOMINEE? SEEING NONE. THANK YOU. MEMBERS EXCUSE ME. MR. CLERK, ANY TESTIFIERS? >>Council Clerk: CHAIR,EL WE HAVE NONE. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. MEMBERS WE'RE IN DISCUSSION. SEE NONE RESOLUTION 26-12 HAS BEEN REFERRED TO COMMITTEE ON ENERGY ENVIRONMENT AND SUSTAINABILITY. EL BOTTOM OF PAGE 7. RESOLUTION 26-13, CONFIRMING REAPPOINTMENT OF ROY KAMO TO SERVE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY & COUNTY OF HONOLULU. ALOHA THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS? >>Testifier: ALOHA CHAIR WATERS AND HONORABLER MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE SERVING PEOPLE OF HONOLULU THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION. IT'S BEEN A PRIVILEGE TO SUPPORT DECISIONS AROUND PLANNING COUNCIL LEVEL. AND I REMAIN COMMITTED TO ADVANCING POLICIES THAT REFLECT VALUES NEEDS AND LONGTERM RESILIENCE OF OUR ISLAND HOME. HAPPY TO MEET WITH ANY COUNCILMEMBER SHOULD YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. AND PROVIDED OPPORTUNITY I LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING COLLABORATION IN SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU SO MUCH. MR. ROY KAMO. MEMBERS ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE NOMINEE? SEEING NONE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >>Testifier: THANK YOU. >>Chair Waters: MR. CLERK ANY TESTIFIERS? >>Council Clerk: CHAIR, WE HAVE NONE. WINDSHEAR IN DISCUSSION. SEEING NONE. WE'RE IN DISCUSSION. RESOLUTION 26-13 HAS BEEN REFERRED TO THE COMMITTEE ON ZONING AND PLANNING. TOP OF PAGE 8. FIRST READING ITEMS. VICE CHAIR. >>Councilmember Tupola: I MOVE THAT FIRST READING ITEMS LISTED ON PAGES 8 THROUGH 13 OF THE AGENDA PASS FIRST READING. >>Councilmember Kia'aina: SECOND. >>Chair Waters: MOVED AND SECONDED. VICE CHAIR TUPOLA FOR THE EXPLANATION. >>Councilmember Tupola: BILL 78, 2025 RELATING TO PARK. BILL 1, 2026, RELATING TO ESTABLISHMENT OF FEES AND CHARGES FOR THE SERVICE OF DEPARTMENT OF MED EXAMINER. BILL 4, 2026, RECEIPTS TO GO THE INCENTIVES FOR CONSTRUCTION OF AFFORDABLE RENTAL HOUSING. BILL 5, 2026 RELATING TO DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IN THE APARTMENT AND APARTMENT MIXED USE DIGS DISTRICTS. RELATING STANDARD IN THE APARTMENT AND APARTMENT MIXED USE DISTRICTS. BILL 7, 2026, RELATING TO SIGN STANDARDS FOR APARTMENT AND APARTMENT MIXED USE DISTRICTS. BILL 8, 2026, RELATING TO FUND. BILL 9, 2026 RELATING TO FUNDS. BILL 10, 2026 RELATING TO LEASE AND RENTAL OF CITER REAL PROPERTY. BILL 11, 2026 RENTAL AGREEMENTING TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING INCENTIVES. BILL 12, 2026, ROA RELATING TO SEWERS DRAINAGE AND ASSISTEL PAUOAS. -- CESSPOOLS. 2026 RELATING TO THE CLEAN WATER AND NATURAL LANDS FUND. BILL 14, 2026 RELATING TO THE REAL PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION FOR LOW INCOME RENTAL HOUSING. BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL U BILL 15, 20 RELATING TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING STANDARDS. BILL 16, 2026 READING TO REGULATION OFFER DOGS. BILL 17, 2026 RELATING TO AFFORDABLE RENTAL HOUSING. AND THERE WE HAVE IT. FIRST READING. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU SO MUCH. OBVIOUSLY YOU ALL HAVE BEEN BUSY WORK HARD DURING THE CHRISTMAS BREAK. IT'S REFLECTED IN OUR FIRST READING ITEMS. I BELIEVE WE HAVE 16 BILLS. WE WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO FURTHER DEBATE AND REMIND FOLKS FIRST READING. HAVING SAID THAT, MR. CLERK, START WITH BILL 78. ANY TESTIFIERS IS. >>Council Clerk: CHAIR, YES, SIR. WE HAVEEL REGISTERED TESTIFIER. MR. MUNAKATA. >>Chair Waters: MICAH MUNAKATA. ALOHA. WELCOME. >>Testifier: ALOHA CLAIRE AND COUNCILMEMBER U COUNCIL. MICAH MUNAKATA ULUPONO INURN TIF. TESTIFYING, INITIATIVE. TESTIFYING IN SUPPORT OF BILL 78. APPRECIATE ADMINISTRATION'S WORK AND COUNCIL. HEARING THIS MEASURE. HE WITH JUST CONTINUE TO FIND THAT THIS IS A GREAT STEP BY THE CITY TO START TO MANAGE RESOURCES IN A VERY SMART AND EFFECTIVE WAY. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH CHAIR. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. ARE YOU OKAY? I NOTICE YOU HAVE A BAND BANDAGE ANYOUR ARM. >>Testifier: THANK YOU. >>Chair Waters: MAY I SHARE WHAT HAPPENED. >>Testifier: SURE. >>Chair Waters: DOG CAME AND BIT HIM. WHILE HE WAS CAR CARRYING HIS BABY. LOOK INTO THAT ARE FOR YOU. VERY BRAVE. THANK YOU. STILL ON BILL 78. ANY FURTHER TESTIFIERS? 34R50ESPLEASE PROCEED. >>Testifier: GOOD MORNING TIM GARY. I LOOKED AT THIS NEW BILL, AND FINANCE KIND OF COMPLICATE. EL A LOT OF STUFF CROSSED OUT. NEW STUFF PUT IN. AND I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT WAIKIKI, CHAIR. WE HAVE INCREASE IN PARKING RATES DOWN THERE COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. WHERE THEY DOUBLED IT. AND I WANTED TO GET INTO THE COMMITTEE AND FIND OUT MORE ABOUT IT. I TALKED TO ADAM ABOUT IT. BUT THERE IS GOING TO BE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT FLOATING RATES. AND STUFF. FOR WHEREEL THEORETICALLY, IT WILL COULD BE NINE DOLLARS AN HOUR TO PARK AT WAIKIKI. SO IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO GO DOWN SEL SURF THE A QUEEN'S, PARKED IN ONE OF THE STALLS, THEY COULD BE SPENDING IF IT WENT THROUGH, IT CAME TO THAT, $18 TO GO SURF. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE WRONG WITH THE CURRENT SYSTEM. TO WHERE THE FEES FOR THE PARKING FINES AND STUFF, GO TO THE STATE. EVEN THOUGH CITY KENNY YOU AVES THE COST. OF -- INCURS COST OF THE PARKING METER GUYS. AND WE DON'T GET REIMBURSED FOR THAT. NEW METERS THEY PUT THIS YEARS AGO ACTUALLY HAVE THE CAPABILITY I TALK TO THE PEOPLE THAT INSTALLED THEM, THEY HAVE ACTUALLY HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF READING THE LICENSE NUMBER IF IT'S IN VIOLATION. AND SENDING TICKET TO THE REGISTER OWNER. SO WE'RE USING SYSTEM THAT WE'RE NOT FULLY IMPLEMENTING NUMBER ONE, BUT THE WHOLE THING NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU MR. GARY. >>Testifier: THANK YOU. >>Chair Waters: I'LL TALK TO YOU IN COMMITTEE ABOUT IT. >>Chair Waters: WE DID DO HAVE A MEMBER FROM DPP S ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM MEMBERS. ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO TESTIFY? SEEING NONE. ANY QUESTIONS FOR DTS? >>Councilmember Tupola: ONE TESTIFIER APPROACHING. >>Chair Waters: JOLIE, ALOHA WELCOME. PLEASE PROCEED. THANK YOU VICE CHAIR. ON BILL 7. PARK FOR BILL 78. >>Testifier: I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT OTHER PEOPLE SAID. THAT'S WHAT I MEANT. FOR ME, MY CONCERN WITH THIS BILL IS THAT IT DOESN'T REALLY GUN VIOLENCE DMIEND OF INFORMATION ON WHERE GIVE ANY KIND OF INFORMATION WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO DECIDE TO PUT THESE. WARWORK CLASS NEIGHBORHOODS, ALREADY SPACES PREMIUM. HAVE TO PARK ON THE STREET. THAT'S GOING TO KILL US WORKING CLASS PEOPLE. ARE YOU PLANNING ON PUTTING IT IN THE FANSIER NEIGHBORHOODS NEAR THE BEACH. PROHAWAIIAN TELCOMS -- PROHIBITS US FROM PARKINGEL MORE DIFFICULT TO PARK GO LANIKAI BEACH. I FEEL REALLY BAD BILL BECAUSE SO BIG AND ALL IT DOES IS BURDEN PEOPLE. WITH MORE FEES. AND FARES AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS. WINDWIRE ERR WE'RE TALKINGABOUT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO TESTIFY? , THANK YOU. SEEING NONE. COUNCILMEMBER CORDERO. >>Councilmember Cordero: THANK YOU CHAIR. I WANTED TO ASK IF SOMEONE FROM THE ADMINISTRATION WOULD BE ABLE TO JUST GIVE A VERY BRIEF BUT OVERVIEW OF THE LARGE BILL THAT WE WILL BE REVIEWENING COMMITTEE. >>Chair Waters: YES I BELIEVE WE HAVE A MEMBER FROM THE ADMINISTRATION. DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION SERVICE. WELCOME. >>Testifier: GOOD MORNING CHAIR. COUNCILMEMBERS. CHRIS CLARK. CHIEF PLANNER DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION SERVICE. ER DTS SUPPORTS BILL 78. EXPECTATION OF THE BILL IS MOD ONIZE ON AND OFF-STREET PARKING SYSTEM. MODERNIZE. RATES REALLY HAVEN'T BEEN IN SECTION OF ORDINANCE HAS BEEN TA U TOUCHED IN OVER A DECADE. AND AS TO ANSWER SOME OF QUESTIONS FROM THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC EXPECTATIONS BILL DOESN'T TOUCH ANY OF THE SECTIONS REGARDING ADDING NEW METERS. SO DTS IS NOT INTENGD TO ADD NEW METERS OUT INTO OTHER AREAS. WITH THERE BILL. WHAT WE'RE REALLY FOCUSING IN ON IS TRYING TO RESTRUCTURE THE RATES. AND WITH THIS BILL, WE ONLY MOVE THE RATES 25 CENTS AND WE'RE SUGGESTING THAT BE DONE EVERY QUARTER. SO IT'S NOT THIS WOULD BE INSTANT MASSIVE INCREASE IN THE PRICES. THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT THIS ON A BASIS USING JUST WAS DESCRIBED MART METERS THAT ARE THERE, SMART METERS DATA, OBSERVED FROM HOW FULL, PARKING SPACES ARE,ER HELP US MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS ABOUT WHAT BETTER RATES WOULD BE. SO FULL FULLYMENT MAXIMIZE SPACS AVAILABILITY URGE. OTHER PIECESSER ARE, ORDINANCE CURRENTLY STRICTLY PRESCRIBES WHICH OFF STREET LOTS WOULD BE METERED VERSUS THOSE WE WOULD OPERATE THROUGH A CONCESSION. LIKE CONTRACTING OUT FOR SOMEONE TO OPERATE FOR US. SO WE'RE ASKING FOR FLEXIBILITY THERE. SO WE BEST CHOOSE THE BUSINESS MODEL THAT WORKS FOR THIS CITY. SO THE RATES STRUCTURE SITS MINIMUM AND MAXIMUM, USES DATA IN BETWEEN THERE SO EVERY QUARTER WE CAN UPDATE RATES WITH PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT. WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT HE WITH GENERATE ENOUGH REVENUE OFF STREET LOTS THAT START TACKLE SOME OF THE MAINTENANCE THAT IS NEEDS ARE THERE. VENTILATION. LIFE SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS. THAT ROA REALLY CRITICAL TO MAKE SURE THOSE FACILITIES ARE SAFE. THANK YOU FOR A LOWLG US TO BE HERE. >>Chair Waters:EL ALLOWING US TO BE HERE. THANK YOU. FURTHER QUESTIONS MEMBERS? , FOR DPS? SEEING NONE. THANK YOU. ANYEL FURTHER DISCUSSION? >>Vice Chair Nishima:EL NOTE MY RESERVATIONS. >>Chair Waters:ERELEL FURTHER DISCUSSION MEMBERS? SEEING NONE. MOVING ON THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO TAKE A VOTE ALL TOGETHER IF THERE IS ANY NO HE IS WE TAKE THAT OUT OF ORDER ROLL CALL VOTE. MOVING ON TO BILL 1. RELATING TO THE ESTABLISHMENT OF FEES AROUND. >> CHAS FOR SERVICES OF THE DEPARTMENT OF MEDICAL EXAMINER. ANY TESTIFIERS? CHARGES. >>Council Clerk: CHAIR, WE HAVE NONE. >>Chair Waters: >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. ANY REGISTERED TESTIFIERS? ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO TESTIFY ON THIS MATTER? SEEING NONE. MEMBERS WE DO HAVE MEDICAL EXAMINER AN HIS TEAM PRESENT. IF MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. >>Chair Waters: WE'RE IN DISCUSSION. SEEING NONE. THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO PAGE 9. INCENTIVES FOR CONSTRUCTION OF AFFORDABLE RENTAL HOUSINGMENTS I DO BELIEVE WE HAVE IN PERSON GEENA THIELEN AND SHELBY PIKACHU BILLIONAIRE SHELBY PIKACHU BILLIONAIRE HAPPY NEW OTHER. GOOD TO SEE COUNCILMEMBERS EXPECTING DOUGHNUTS TODAY. SO FRESH REFRESHINGMENTS OPEN FOR THE STATE LEGISLATURE R GOOD TO SEE YOU GUYS AGAIN TODAY. SAVE YOU GUYS TIME AND SUPPORT OF THIS BILL. ALSO BILL 4EL, 12, 15, 17 AND 54. SAVE YOU GUYS TIME. I DO WANT TO ADDRESS WHAT PETER SAVIO SAID ABOUT MODERNIZING LEASES BECAUSE RENTAL HOUSING IS A CRIME. TAKING AWAY THE CASH FLOW EQUITY AND APPRECIATION DEPRECIATION PEOPLE PAY THE CASH BILL GAME. ROBERT KIYOSAKE I REAL ESTATE INVESTING. START ARE RELATE HOUSING BUILD YOUR OWN HOUSE. SHACK AT HOME DEPOT PUT IT ON WHEELS A VOID THE PERMIT PROCESS. CONTAIN HOMES BIG ISLAND STYLE.3 GRAND 0, 40 GREATER SIX GRAND. NOT TELLING YOU WHAT TO DO. CREATIVE HOW WE'RE GOING TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING SOLUTIONS FOR EVERYONE PLANET EARTH. MY MOTTO WOULD BE TO TEACH KIDS HOW TO BUILD OWN HAUL THEMSELVES. CHIEF OF WAR DAYS. TEACH THEM SKILL SET TO LAST FOR A LIFE TIME. MATTHEW 4:19. TEACH THEM HOW TO FISH, FEED THEM FOR A LIFETIME. CHEE-HOO. ALOHA. >>Chair Waters: ALOHA. THANK YOU GEENA THIELEN. >>Testifier: ALOHA CHAIR. VICE CHAIR. MEMBERS COUNCIL. SWITCH SIDES. AND CAME OVER HERE TO TESTIFY ON A NUMBER OF BILLS. YOU MENTIONED FOLKS HAVE BEEN VERY BUSY START OF YEAR. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF BILL 4. I BELIEVE AMENDMENTS TO THE SUPPORT FOR THE BILL 7 PROGRAM ARE WELL WARRANTED. THIS IS PROGRAM THAT IS STARTED TO SHOW SOME REAL PROMISE IN EFFECTING OUR HOUSING CRISIS. ON ISLAND OF OAHU. AND I BELIEVE IN WE CAN FURTHER SUPPLEMENT THIS PROGRAM, WE WILL A TRACT MORE INVESTMENT AND MORE DEVELOPERS TO STEP IN AND BUILD MORE OF THESE UNITS AT A VERY LOW COST TO THE CITY & COUNTY OF HONOLULU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. SINCE YOU'RE UP WOULD YOU LIKE TO TESTIFY ON THE OTHER BILLS THAT YOU HAVE REGISTERED TO TESTIFY ON? CAN YOU DO IT NOW OR I KA CALL L YOU UP WHEN EACH BILLS CALLED. >>Testifier: ONLY SIGNED TO YOU VERBALLY TESTIFY ON BILL 17. SO I WILL WAIT ON THAT ONE. >>Chair Waters: OKAYMENT. >>Testifier: THANK YOU. >>Chair Waters: IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO TESTIFY ON BILL 4? SEEING NONE. MEMBERS ANY DISCUSSION? >>Councilmember Tupola: TUPOLA THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU TO THE INTRODUCERS BILL 4. DEFINITELY ABOUT STRENGTHS BEING PRECONSTRUCTION SUBSIDIES. WITHOUT REINFORCING POST CONSTRUCTION SUPPORT LEASE. PROPROJECTS VULNERABLE GIVES LOT OF RISE COSTS FINANCIAL GAPS. GRATEFUL. ADDRESSES BOTH SIDES OF IT. AND WITHIN A SINGLE ACCOUNTABLE LEGISLATIVE VEHICLE, WE COULD POSSIBLY PULL ALL OF THIS TOGETHER, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE MENTION THAT THERE ARE MULTIPLE BILLS TOUCHING CHAPTER 32. BILL 7 PROJECTS. SO MY OFFICE IS WORKING ON ONE VEHICLE. AND THIS IS ACTUALLY A VERY GOOD BILL THAT WILL BE INCORPORATE THE INTO IT. THAT WE CAN ALL KIND OF LOOK AT THE FRAMEWORK, AND THEN GO THROUGH ALL OF THE PIECES TOGETHER. FROM WHAT I DIDN'T REALLY FEELS LIKE THEY NEED FOR EFFICIENCY AND WELL AS BID E'O BUILDERS WHAT WE THINK WILL HIT OUR CONSISTENCY IN THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. EL FURTHER DISCUSSION OF BILL 4? SEEING COUNCILMEMBER NISHIMOTO NISHIMOTO NUMBER STATE OUR OPTION N OBJECTIONS NOW NOTE MY OBJECTIONS. >>Chair Waters: FURTHER DISCUSSION. SEEING NONE. THANK YOU THEM MEMBERS PRESENTS BILL 5 RELATING TO DEVELOPMEDEVELOPMENT STANDARDS APARTMENT AND APARTMENT MIXED USE DISTRICTS. >> I BELIEVE I DON'T HAVE ANY REGISTERED TESTIFIERS. ANYBODY FROM THE AUDIENCE LIKE TO TESTIFY ON BILL 5? >>Council Clerk: CHAIR, WE HAVE ONE PERSON WITH THEIR HAND RAISED BY VIDEO CONFERENCE. >>Chair Waters: OKAY. PLEASE PROCEED. >>Testifier: ALOHA. FROM CARES. JUST WISHING TO COMMENT ON THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. THATTH ALSO SOMETHING T THAT IN DISCUSSION AT THE STATE JUST HAD THEIR FIRST HOUSING COMMITTEE HEARING IN THE SENATE. AND SO WITH ALL OF THE KAKAAKO HIGHRISEs POPPING UP, I THINK RIGHT NOW, WE WITH BILL 4 AND 5, WITH THE BILL 4 POST CONSTRUCTION, FUNDING THIS CAN HELP FUND A LOT OF THE DEVELOPERS PROJECTS. AND OF COURSE,, AS SOMEONE WHO IS GETTING TRAINED TO MANAGE PROPERTIES, MY CONCERN I'VE BROUGHT UP IS THAT WORKING WITH TIER 1, SO INDIVIDUALS THAT IN THE LOWER INCOME CLASSIFICATION, AND NOT TIER 2, WHICH ARE THE NURSES FIREFIGHTERS AND TEACHERS, BECAUSE TIER 1 IF THERE WAS MORE FUNDING WHETHER IT'S POST CONSTRUCTION COVERED BY CITIES PROGRAMS, OR IN RENTAL HOUSING REVOLVING FUND, FROM THE STATE SIDE, BOTH STATE AND CITY WORKING ON THESE FUNDING SOURCES CAN REALLY HELP GET MORE PEOPLE INTO HOUSING. STHOOLCAN PROTECT SENIOR DEMOGRAPHICSER SPECIAL NEEDS PERSONS AND LOWER INCOME CATEGORY. THANK YOU. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. MAY I ALSO INCORPORATE YOUR TESTIMONY ON BILL 6 WHICH DEALS WITH SAME SNUBT THANK SUBJECT?THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY OTHER TESTIFIERS ON BILL 5 OR 6? >>Council Clerk: CHAIR, WE ALSO HAVE LOOKS LIKE DONALD SAKAMOTO REMOTELY. >>Chair Waters: OKAY. ON BILL 5 OR 6? >>Council Clerk: CHAIR, MR. SAKAMOTO ARE YOU TESTIFYING ON BILL 5 AND BILL 6? >>Testifier: IF YOU ARE PLEASE PROCEED. >>Testifier: GOOD MORNING CHAIR WATERS. VICE CHAIR TUPOLA, AND OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS. DONALD SAKAMOTO FOR THE RECORD. ER PRETTY MUCH SUPPORT THE TWO BILLS. THAT ARE LISTED HERE. TALKING ABOUT MY CONCERN MAKING SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH AFFORDABLE AND ACCESSIBLE HOUSING FOR THE DISABLED. SO THEY CAN GET WHAT THEY NEED ESPECIALLY AIL ACCOMMODATIONS AND RECONFIGURATION OF THEIR APARTMENT OR WHATEVER TO HAVE SESENSIBLE KITCHEN, AND BATHROOMS AND ALL OF THAT KIND OF STUFF. ESPECIALLY HAWAII. SUPPORT THER INTERCHT BILL. TESTIFYING -- INTENT OF BILL. TESTIFYING. THANK YOU. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. ANY OTHER TESTIFIERS MR. CLERK? >>Council Clerk: CHAIR, BILL 6, WE HAVE WILLFORD MOTOSUI REGISTERED. >>Chair Waters: PLEASE COME FORWARD. THANK YOU VERY SO MUCH. >>Testifier: THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING CHAIR WATERS ADD VICE CHAIR TUPOLA. AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT MY TESTIMONIER THIS MORNING. IN FAVOR OF BILL 5, 2026. AND BILL 6. 2026. PROPOSAL TO AMEND THE LAND USE ORDINANCE BY INCREASING THE FAR DESIGNATION FOR ALL THE APARTMENT AND APARTMENT MENTIONED USE DISTRICTS IS BEST WAY FOR HONOLULU TO DEVELOP NEW PROJECTS OF CONNED MAUI MEMORIALS ON OAHU. CONNED MAULS ON OAHU. CONDOMINIUMS. INCREASING TWO TAO FAST INCREASING HOUSING INVENTOR. >>Vice Chair Tupola: INCREASING TOO FAST. FEW THINGS THAT, I'M WORKING ON, THAT I'M FINDING OUT THROUGH WORKING TRYING TO DEVELOP A SMALL PROJECT IN TOWN. PROBLEMS WE'RE GETTING INTO OUR FOLLOWING. ME SMALL DEVELOPER, I THINK THAT ENCOURAGE THEM TO SMALL DEVELOPERS TO DEVELOP CONDOMINIUM PROJECTS, CITY COUNCIL AND DPP, SHOULD NEED TO EXEMPT SMALL PROJECTS FOR SALE CONDOS WITH LESS THAN 100 UNITS, AND EXEMPT DEVELOPMENT OF 100 OR LESS SUBDIVIDED HOME LOTS FROM ORDINANCE 1810, CHAPTER 29, AFFORDABLE REQUIREMENTS. WHICH REQUIRES RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS THAT HAVE TEN OR MORE CONDO UNITS OR HOME LOTS IN THE PROJECT TO SET ASIDE 10% OF THOSE CONDO ON ITS OR LOTS TO SELL AT RE REDEUS THE PRICIN. EXEMPTIONS PROJECTS WITH 100 OR LESS DWELLING UNITS OR CLUSTER HOUSING PROJECTS AND PLANNED DEVELOPMENT USE HOUSING PROJECTS BESIDE MULTIUNIT DWELLINGS. THE OTHER THING BEFORE I GET CUT OFF, IS APARTMENT UNITS FOR APARTMENT UNITS IS PARKING REQUIREMENTS. IF THE PARKING SIDE YARD IMPACTS IT BE LIKE BILL 7 PARKING ENCROACH I'D AND REAR YARDS MORE PARKING PROVIDED SMALL LOT DEVELOPMENTS ON A2 LOTS LIKE 5,000 SQUARE FEET PARCELS THAT'S WHAT I'M WORKING ON. IN ADDITION TO TWO LEVELS OF PARKING, PROVIDED, IF TWO LEVEL OF PARKING ARE PROVIDED WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, UPPER LEVEL SHOULD BE ALLOWED TOEN COARMING COACH INTO THE SIDE AND ENCROACH SIDE AND REAR YARDS TOO PROVIDED SOLID WALL PORTION OF THE PROPERTY LINE CAN BE LIMITED TO OF 6 FEET HIGH LIKE A FENCE. OPEN RAILING SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO EXTENDING BEYOND THE 6 FEET HIGH LIMIT WITH MORE PARKING, MORE UNITS CAN BE DEVELOPED ON SMALL LOTS. FURTHERMORE, MORE PARKING ON SITE WOULD RELIEVE THE DEMAND FOR STREET PARKING WHICH WOULD ALSO REDUCE THE DISTANCE WITH NEIGHBORS. AND I HEARD A LOT OF DISPUTES GOING ON. ONE OTHER THING BEFORE I GO, I BELIEVE THAT BILL 5 ADJUSTMENTS TO THE MINIMUM LOT AREAS AND LOT WIDTH AND DEPTH SHOULD BE COMBINED WITH BILL 6, MAXIMUM BUILDING AREA CHANGES. I ALSO BELIEVE THAT BMX6, PARCELS SHOULD HAVE THEIR FAR INCREASED TO 4 ALSO FROM 2.5. FINALLY WE SHOULD PROVIDE ALL OF OUR LOCALS WITH OPPORTUNITY TO BUY AND OWN THE UNITS THAT THEY LIVE IN. SO THEY CAN BUILD EQUITY SO THAT WHEN THE FAMILY STARTS GROWING THEY HAVE KIDS COULD SELL THE UNIT UPGRADE TO BIGGER UNIT IF THEY WERE RENTING, FROM THE HOVER THE CITY, STATE OR WHOEVER, RENTALS, FROM WHOEVER. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING YOUR TESTIMONY IN THE ZONING AND PLANNING COMMITTEE MEETING. >>Testifier: YEAH. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO TESTIFY ON BILL 5 AND/OR 6? PLEASE COME FORWARD. >>Testifier: ALOHA. PERRY AEROSMITH. DIRECTOREL PO POLICY HAWAII'S FUTURE. SUBMITTED WRITTEN TESTIMONY STRONG SUPPORT OF BILL 5 AND BILL 6. WE THINK THAT THERE IS GREAT CONTENT IN BOTH OF THOSE BILLS AND VERY SIMILAR. WE ALSO FOUND THAT THE D. P P FINDING AND REPORT THAT THEY TRANSMITTED WITH BOTH BILLS, WAS VERY PROMISING. IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, WITH SUBDIVISION, COULD UNLOCK ABOUT 5,000 NEW LOTS FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT FOR BOTH HOMEOWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES AND FOR RENTAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR RESIDENTS. WE BELIEVE THAT HOME BUILDERS NEED NOR MORE FLEXION INLTD AND THAT PRESI FLEXIBILITY WILL TRANSLATE INTO MORE OPTIONS FOR RESIDENTS NEED MORE MULHOUSING.LOOK FORWARD TO WORKH COUNCIL ON BOTH OF THESE MEASURES. >>Chair Waters: ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO TESTIFY ON BILL 5 AND 6? SEEING NONE. ANY DISCUSSION MEMBERS? SEEING NONE. THANK YOU OF TURNING TO PAGE 10. BILL 7. RELATING TO SIGN STAND DASHEDZ FOR APARTMENT STANDARDS APARTMENT MIXED USE DISTRICTS. MR. CLERK, ANY TESTIFIERS. >>Council Clerk: CHAIR, WE HAVE NONEMENT. >>Chair Waters: OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION ON BILL 7 AT THIS TIME? COUNCILMEMBER TUPOLA. >>Councilmember Tupola: THANK YOU CHAIR. THIS BILL IS RESULT OF SEVERAL YEARS OF WORK WITH HO'OPILI AND OTHER MIXED USE COMMUNITIES TO ADDRESS BASIC BUT CRITICAL ISSUE FOR NEIGHBORHOODS SERVING BUSINESSES VISIBILITY. APARTMENT MIXED USE DISTRIBUTIONS, THESE SMALL BUSINESSES ARE ESSENTIAL TO WALKABILITY AND DAILY LIFE. YET ARE CURRENT LUO MAKES BUSINESSES VERY HARD TO FIND. IS BILL 7 MODERNIZE RULE IN A LIMITED THOUGHTFUL WAY. AND WE WILL BE YOU INTRODUCING CD1 FURTHER REFINE THE PROPOSAL BY REDUCING ALLOWABLE SIGNED AREA FROM 12 SQUARE FEET TO 9 SQUARE FEET PER PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION. THANK YOU CHAIR. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. BILL 8 RELATING TO FUNDS. CREATING FUND TO RECEIVE AND EXPEND MONIES TO SUPPORT FIRE PREVENTION ACTIVITY. MR. CLERK, ANY TESTIFIERS? >>Council Clerk: CHAIR, YES. WE HAVE BOTH IN PERSON AND BY VIDEO CONFERENCE. >>Chair Waters: STEPHANIE DENKENDRICK AND MAT WASSON. >>Council Clerk: CHAIR, YES, SIR. >>Chair Waters: THAT IS RIGHT WITH NATALIE IWASA. >>Testifier: FOR THE RECORD. NATALIE IWASA I THINK RECESS OR LUNCHTIME YOU FOLKS CAN FIX THIS MIKE. WITH RESPECT TO BILL 8, THIS WILL DO CREATE A NEW FUND, FOR FIRE PLANNERS REVIEW. I'M OPPOSED TO IT. TO WELCOME BACK USED FOR PUBLIC EDUCATION AND INVESTIGATIONS. INSPEININSPECTIONS OTHER THINGS LISTED IN THE BILL FUNDED BY FIRE PLAN REVIEW FEES. YOU KNOW THAT WHEN EVERY TIME YOU SET UP A SPECIAL TONY SPECID REDUCES YOUR FLEXION INT. THAT MONEY CAN ONLY BE USED FOR THAT PURPOSE AND EVEN IF IT'S JUST GATHERS MONEY, OVER THE YEARS, LIKE PAUAHI, IT'S SITS THERE AND CAN'T BE USED OTHER NEEDED IS YOU SERVICE. I OPPOSE IT ASK YOU IT VOTE NO. REDUCING FLEXIBILITY CREATES MORE BUREAUCRACY REQUIRES SEPARATE ACCOUNTING FOR THAT FUND, AND ANOTHER REPORT FOR THAT ADMINISTRATION TO DELIVER. SO I OPPOSE THAT. THANK YOU. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. STEPHANIE KENDRICK AVAILABLE? >>Testifier: WHAT CHAIR SORRY ABOUT THAT. ALOHA CHAIR. YOU HAVE OUR SUPPORT OUR TESTIMONY IN SUPPORT OF BILL 16. AND OUT OF DEFERENCE TO THE FACT THAT IS FIRST READING, I WILL STAND ON THAT. I WANT TO SAY THAT I'M REALLY GRATEFUL TO COUNCILMEMBER OKIMOTO'S OFFICE FOR INTRODUCING THIS MEASURE. WE NEED TO HAVE BETTER TOOLS FOR ADDRESSING THIS STRAIGHT ON POPULATION. VERY MUCH HELP US DO THAT. STRAY DOG POPULATION. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. MR. CLERK ANY OTHER TESTIFIERS ON BILL 8? EXPWROO THAT CONCLUDES TESTIFIERS. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. ANY DISCUSSION? COUNCILMEMBER OKIMOTO. >>Councilmember Okimoto: THANK YOU CHAIR. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK, I THINK JUST CLARIFY MISS KENDRICK ONLINE. TESTIFY ON BILL COMING UP. BUT THIS ONE IS ACTUALLY RELATED TO FIRE FUND. WANT TO FIRST OF ALL THANK THE YOU HAD TORRES OFFICERS FOR AUDITOR'S OFFICES FOR TAKING INTO ACCOUNT, OUR DESIRE AS A COUNCIL TO MAKE SURE WE'RE TRANSPARENT AND MAKE SURE WE'RE ACCOUNTING FOR THE TAXPAYOR DOLLARS PROPERLY. I WANT TO ALSO THANK DEPARTMENT FIRE DEPARTMENT AND CHIEF HOWELL FOR WORKING SO WITH MY OFFICE PURPOSE OF THIS MEASURE, TESTIMONY IN OPPOSITION. CLARIFY, PURPOSE OF THIS MEASURE WAS TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT SOME OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS GIVEN TO US BY THE AUDITOR. KEY TAKEAWAYS IS TO CODIFY THE FIRE PREVENTION FUND INTO THE ROH. FUND ALREADY EXISTS BUT FORD TO MAINTAIN TRANSPARENCY, AGAIN WE W WANT FOR MAKE SURE ACCOUNTING OF THOSE FUNDS ARE PROPERLY AFFORD. INFORMATION PREVIOUSLY PROVIDED THAT'S WHAT THIS MEASURE PROVIDES AND AVENUE TO CONSOLIDATE WHAT THEY HAVE. THROUGHOUT THE YEARS. INTO ONE REPORT. AND ALSO, HFD WILL HAVE A REPORTING REQUIREMENT WHEN THE BUDGET IS PRESENTED WHICH WILL BE HELPFUL FOR US AS A COUNCIL. INTENT AGAIN IS TO ENSURE FUNDS ARE SPENT APPROPRIATELY AND FOR THE PURPOSES SPECIFIED IN THE FIRE CODE. I WANT TO AGAIN THANK DEPARTMENT FOR BEING ABLE TO WORK COOPERATIVELY WITH MY OFFICE TO GET TO THIS POINT. TAKING YOU ACCOUNT WHAT THE AUDITORS HAVE SUGGESTED FOR US. THANK YOU FOR THE DISCUSSION. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. FURTHER DISCUSSION OF BILL 8? SEEING NONE. BILL 9, RELATING TO FUNDS ABOLISHING PAUAHI PROJECT EXPENDITURES. MR. CLERK, ANY TESTIFIER U TESTIFIERS? >>Council Clerk: WE HAVE NONE. >>Chair Waters: I BELIEVE NATALIE IWASA WANTS TO TESTIFY. PLEASE PROCEED. >>Testifier: THANK YOU CHAIR. NATALIE IWASA FOR THE RECORD. I SUPPORT THIS. SO IN GENERAL, I DO NOT SUPPORT GENERAL FUNDS. VERY FEW SPECIAL FUNDS. SORRY. VERY FEW THAT I WOULD SUPPORT. SO I THINK THE INTRODUCER FOR INTROINTRODUCING DICKY U PARTICR INTRODUCING THIS PARTICULAR BILL. HOW LONGER IT'S BEEN SITTING THERE GATHERING DUST A LITTLE BIT OF INTEREST HERE AND THERE. NOT BEING USED FOR GENERAL, SERVICES NEEDED IN THE CITY. I SUPPORT THAT BILL. THANK YOU. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. THANK YOU MEMBERS. MOVING TO PAGE 11. BILL SO RELATING TO THE LEASE AND RENTAL CITY REAL PROPERTY. BILL 10,FULLY TESTIFIER? >>Council Clerk: CHAIR, QUESTION. WE DO REGISTERED TESTIFIER. HERE IN THE CHAMBER. MISS IWASA AND MISS KWOK. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. PLEASE PROCEED. >>Testifier: THANK YOU. NATALIE IWASA. FORD RECORD. SO JUST COMMENT I HAVEN'T REALLY, LOOK MERITS THIS BILL IN PARTICULAR. JUST TECHNICAL ASPECTS. ABOUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS, THERE ARE 26 DIFFERENT TYPES, AT LEAST A ACCORDING TO THE INTERNAL REVENUE CODE,ER IN THIS PARTICULAR BILL, IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO AIM TOWARD THE CHARITABLE, 501C3 O ORGANIZATIONS WHICH I SUPPORT. BUT ONE OF THE PHRASING OF MUST DISTRIBUTE ASSETS TO NONPROFIT, THAT IS NOT QUITE CORRECT. IT SHOULD BE CHARITABLE PURPOSES. NOT JUST ANY NONPROFIT PURPOSES. INTERNAL REVENUE CODE IS 1986, NOT 1 1954. AND IT HASN'T HAD A COMMITTEE REFERRAL YET AT LEAST ACCORDING TO THE INFORMATION THAT I LOOKED AT. ONLINE LAST NIGHT. SO HOPEFULLY, THIS WILL GO PROBABLY I'M GUESSING BEFORE BUDGET. BUTEL I'LL LOOK FORWARD TO THE DISCUSSION IN COMMITTEE. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE NAM BOO? AVAILABILITY U AVAILABLE. >>Council Clerk: CHAIR, TESTIFIER NOT LOGGED ON. >>Chair Waters: OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO TESTIFY ON BILL 10? ALOHA. WELCOME. >>Testifier: GOOD MORNING CHAIR. KWOK CHINATOWN. I NOTICE EMPTY CITY SPACES. BUILDINGS THAT COULD BE USED BY NONPROFITS. AND COMMUNITY ADVOCACY. SO THAT THEY CAN WORK TOGETHER WITH THE CITY ESPECIALLY IN CRITICAL AREAS LIKE CHINATOWN, IWILEI, KALIHI. SO THAT THESE NONPROFITSER ORGANIZATIONS HAVE A PLACE THAT RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES AND COME TO AND CONSULT AND THEN REACH OUT TO CITY AGENCIES I THINK GOOD BILL. TO SUPPORT. THANK YOU. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO TESTIFY ON BILL 10? ANYBODY ELSE? LIKE TO TESTIFY ON BILL 10? SEEING NONE. ANY DISCUSSION MEMBERS? SEEING NONE. THANK YOU MOVING ON TO BILL 11. RELATING TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING. INCENTIVES. BILL 11 I BELIEVE I DON'T HAVE A REGISTERED TESTIFIER. BUT IS ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WOULD LIKE TO TESTIFY ON BILL 11? SEEING NONE. ANY DISCUSSION MEMBERS? COUNCILMEMBER WEYER. >>Councilmember Weyer: THANK YOU CHAIR. FOR TIME NOTE RESERVATIONS OR 11, 13, 14. AND 15. THANK YOU. >>Chair Waters: OKAY. LET ME WRITE THIS DOWN. RESERVATIONS ON BILLS 11,. >>Councilmember Weyer: 11, 138. NOT 12. 13. NOT 12. 14. AND 15. I'LL WAIT UNTIL 17 FOR DISCUSSION. BUT I LEFT THAT OFF BECAUSE I'LL BE VOTING NO. I KNOW THAT WILL REQUIRE SEPARATE VOTE. OVERALL I THINK I UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE INTENT WITH TAMPOS FOUR MEASURES. MY CONCERN WAS NOT EXTENT THOSE FOUR MEASURES. LOOKING AT PULLING BACK FUNDS OR REMOVING TOOLS TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I'M JUST EXTREMELY CONSCIOUS ABOUT THAT. AND THEN OF COURSE, WITH THE CLEAN WATER FUND. GOING TO JUST DEFER ORGANIZATIONS WORKING IN CONVERSATION AND PRESERVATION ABOUT THE BEST PATH FORWARD HOW TO MOD FY THAT FIND U FUND. THANK YOU. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. HOW TO MODIFY THAT FUND. >>Councilmember Tupola: BRIEFLY BILL 11 CTS E'O WANT TO ENSURE THAT PRESERVES ALL INCENTIVES WE HAVE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. HOWEVER, PROVIDING A MORE CLEAR AND TRANSPARENT WAY FOR US TO SHARE PUBLICLY HOW WE GRANT TO WHOM WE GRANT, AND WHAT P CITY IS RECEIVING IN RETURN. WHEN WE OFFER THESE INCENTIVES. SOMETHING IN A THE PUBLIC IS ASKED US READILY, IF WE ARE GIVING ALL OF THESE BENEFITS WHAT ARE WE GETTING IN RETURN? HOW CAN WE SEE WHAT WAS GIVE SNEN LOOKING FORWARD TO DIT WIADITYASITUMEANG I ADMINISTRATO MAKE SURE -- WITH THE CITY STATION. NOT OVERLY BURDEN SOME. TRANSPARENCY TOOL. >>Chair Waters: DISCUSSION U DISCUSSION ON BILL 11. 12, REELS TO SEWERS DRAINAGE AND CESSPOOLS. WE HAVE ONE, TESTIFIER. I BELIEVE. SHELBY. BILL 12? ANY DISCUSSION MEMBERS? THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO BILL 13. EL ON PAGE 12. BILL 13 RELATING TO THE CLEAN WATER AND NATURAL LANDS FUND. I BELIEVE WE HAVE LEAH HONG. ALOHA. WELCOME. >>Testifier: ALOHA. EL LEAH HONG STATE DIRECTOR FOR THE TRUST FOR PUBLIC LAND TESTIFYING OPPOSITION TO BILL 13. WE APPRECIATE AND MAHALO THE COUNCIL AND CHAIR WATERIER COUNCILMEMBERS KIA'AINA, FOR THEIR DESIRE TO IMPROVE THE CLEAN WATER AND NATURAL LANDS PROGRAM WE HAVE GRAVE CONCERNS, ABOUT MANY OF THE PROVISIONS IN BILL 13. THAT MAY UNU INTENTIONALLY, MAKE THE PROGRAM LESS EFFICIENT AND HURT OAHU PROJECTS SEEKING MATCHING FEDERAL AND STATE FUNDING. WE SUBMITTED DETAILED TESTIMONY. REGARDING OUR CONCERNS AND WE WOULD WELCOME OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH COUNCIL STAFF, PROPOSED LEGISLATION TO IMPROVE THE PROGRAM AND ADDRESS COUNCIL'S CONCERNS. SO WE STAND ON THAT TESTIMONY. AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE TESTIFIER? SEEING NONE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO TESTIFY ON BILL 13? SEEING NO. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. THANK YOU 34E678 MEMBERS PRESENTS. BILL 14. RELATING TO THE REAL PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTIONS FOR LOW INCOME RENTAL HOUSING. I BELIEVE WE HAVE TWO REGISTERED TESTIFIERS. GEENA THIELEN AND NATALIE IWASA. SINCE YOU'RE ALREADY CLOSER, NATALIE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GENLIKELIKE TOGO FIRST, NATALIER THE RECORD. I SUPPORT THIS BASICALLY IT SAYS IF YOU HAVE BUILDING WITH PART, LOW RENTAL AND OTHER PART MARKET RENT, THAT IT WOULD ALLOW THE EXEMPTIONS ONLY ON THE LOW INCOME RENTAL PORTION. I SUPPORT THAT. CURRENTLY, THERE ARE 265 PROPERTIES IN THIS CLASSIFICATION. THAT COSTS US $21.8 MILLION. AND YOU HEARD ME SAY MANY MANY UEMURA TIPS WE NEED TO BE REVIEWING EXEMPTIONS. MANY SHOULD BE ELIMINATED I DO SUPPORT THIS AND THANK THE INTRODUCERSES FOR TAKING A LOOK AT THIS. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. GEENA THIELEN. >>Testifier: ALOHA CHAIR. VICE CHAIR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. I'LL STAND ON WRITTEN TESTIMONY IN OPPOSITION TO THIS BILL. THANK YOU. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO TESTIFY ON BILL 14? ALOHA. WELCOME. >>Testifier: ALOHA COUNCILMEMBERS. MCKINLEY EAVES TESTIFYING ON BEHALF OF AVALON DEVELOPMENT GROUP, IN OPPOSITION OF BILL 14. BILL 14 PROPOSES TO SIGNIFICANTLY NARROW THE REAL PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTIONS FOR LOW INCOME RENTAL HOUSING BY LIMITING THE EXEMPTIONS ONLY TO THE PORTION OF PROJECT RECALL ATTRIBUTED TO THE REGULATED AFFORDABLE UNITS. RECALL WHILE MAY A PAUOA TORE BE IT TECHNICAL A JUDGMENT. FINANCING AND LONGTERM FEASIBILITY IS SUBSTANTIAL. MANY OF J PROS AFFECTED BY THIS PROJECTING AFFECTED IN THIS MEASURE ALREADY IMMENSED. EMBEDDED UNDE UN UNDER RIDE WRI. AGREEMENTS. APPLY FOR THE DURATION REGULATED PERIOD. THESE PROJECTS ARE STRUCTURED EXTREMELY TIGHT MARGINS RELYING HEAVILY ON INCOME RELIEF THAT'S EXEMPTIONS PROVIDES. REMOVING REDUCING THIS EXEMPTIONS AFTER THE FACT WOULD UNDER PIPELINE COMPLETED FINANCING -- UNDERMINE COMPLETED DISTURBINGS CREATE DID HE HAVE KNITS FOR THE PROJECT ALREADY SERVING HOUSEHOLDS AT OR BELOW 80% AMI. UNLIKE DEEPLY AFFORDABLE PROJECTS 80% AMI UNITS DO NOT QUALIFY FOR LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDITS. LACK PRIMARY SUBSIDY TOOL MOST AFFORDABLE DEVELOPMENTS DEPEND ON. WITHOUT LIHTC, EXEMPTIONS STS ONE AND ONLY REMAINING MECHANISMS THAT MAKE THESE MODERN INCOME RENTAL PROJECTS FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE. HONOLULU HIGH COST CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATIONS ENVIRONMENT. FULL EXEMPTIONS REMOVED, LENDER REVIEW THESE PROJECTS AS SIGNIFICANTLY RISKIER AND FUTURE DEALS WILL BE FAR MORE DIFFICULT IF NOT IMPOSSIBLE TO PENCIL. RECALL NARROWING EXEMPTIONS INCREASE ON ONGOING COST. HIGHER OPERATING EXPINSES. ER PLACE PRESSURE ON RENTS DESTABILIZE PROJECTS ALREADY OPERATING WITHIN MARGINS. THIN MARGINS FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS UNCERTAINTY CREATED BY REVISINGER INCENTIVE POST CONSTRUCTION WILL DETER INVESTMENT BADLY NEED RENTAL HOUSING. ER COUNSELOR STATED GOALS EXPAND AFFORDABLE RENTAL OPPORTUNITIES BILL 14 MOVES IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION BY MAKING THESE PROJECTS HARD TO FINANCE,RD HARDER TO SUSTAIN, AND LESS LIKELY TO BE BUILT. FOR THESE REASONS WE'RE RESPECTFULLY URGE YOU TO OPPOSE BILL 14 AND PRESERVE EXEMPTIONS AS CRITICAL TOOL FOR PRODUCING AND MAINTAINING RENTAL HOUSING FOR ORANGE WORKIG FAMILIAR LUC. RPT. WORKING FAN LIST. >>Chair Waters: ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO TESTIFY ON BILL 14? BILL 14. SEEING NONE. ANY DISCUSSION OF BILL 14? >>Councilmember Tulba: RESERVATIONS BILL 14. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. THANK YOU MEMBERS. TURNING TO BILL 15. RELATING TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING REQUIREMENTS. I BELIEVE WE HAVE ONE REGISTERED TESTIFIER. SHELBY BILLIONAIRE NOT PRESENT. ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO TESTIFY ON BILL 15? PLEASE COME FORWARD. >>Testifier: ALOHA COUNCILMEMBERS. MCKING EAVES TESTIFYING ON BEHALF OF AVALON DEVELOPMENT. STRONG OPPOSITION OF BILL 15. BILL 15 WOULD ELIMINATE 10% FOR SALE 30 YEAR AFFORDABILITY OPTION FOR T.O.D. PROJECTS. THIS WILL MAY APPEAR TO BE SIMPLE POLICY CLEAN-UP, REMOVES CRITICAL FLEXIBILITY TOOL THAT SOME T.O.D. AND IMPLETE P IT. D PROJECTS NEED IN ORDER TO PENCIL. T.O.D. PROJECTS FACE HIGHER CONSTRUCTION COST, CHALLENGING SITE CONDITIONS AND FIGHT FINANCIAL MARGINS. CURRENT SET UP COMPLIANCE PATHWAYS EXIST BECAUSE NOT EVERY PROJECT CAN MEET THE SAIMIN U SALMAH REQUIREMENTS. SAME REQUIREMENTS. TWO T.O.D. RE PROJECTS. SIMPLY TAKES AWAY ONE OF THE FEW VIABLE COMPLIANCE ROUTES, THAT MADE THEM FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE IN THE FIRST PLACE. NARROWING OPTIONS DOESN'T ADDRESS REAL ISSUE. CITY NEVER TAKEN A COMPREHEAVENSIVE LOOK AT THE FINANCIAL PRECIOUS SLOWING T.O.D. HOUSING PRODUCTION. IT SAID, BILL 14 FORCE PROJECTS INTO FEWER MORE RIDGE IT PATHWAY IT'S INCREASING COSTS, REDUCING FEE FEAST IBT AND SOME CASE, FEASIBILITY, PUSHING DEVELOPERS TO WALK AWAY ENTIRELY. IMPORTANTLY, KEEPING THIS PATHWAY HARMS NO ONE. 30 YEAR OPTION DOESN'T WORK FOR A PROJECT, DEVELOPER CHOOSES ANOTHER PATH. FOR CERTAIN PROJECTSEL COSTS OR FLETCHE COMPLEX SIDES. DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MOVING FORWARD OR NOT AT ALL. WE NEED MORE MOUSE HOUSING. MOVES IN THE WRONG DIRECTION. MORE HOUSING. REMOVING OPTION BILL 15 RESTRICTIONS ABILITY TO NOT BE COMPLEX MARKET CONDITIONS RECALLING ALL THE MAY RESULTS IN FEWER KEYS AND HANDS OF LOCAL FAMILIES. ULTIMATELY RESULTS. REJECT COUNCIL BILL 50 THANK YOU. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO TESTIFY ON BILL 15. BILL 15. SEEING NONE. ANY DISCUSSION COUNCILMEMBER WEYER. >>Councilmember Weyer: THANK YOU. NOTED MY HE'S EARLIER. NOT MEMBER OF COMMITTEE. WANTED TO NOTE RECALL CHANGES VOTING NO. I AM OPEN AND WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF MAYBE LOOKING AT REDUCING THE YEAR LINK ON THE PERCENTAGE AND ADVENTIST EVALUAT FIGURE OUT WHY IT DOESN'T WORK. I THINK FOR ME, MORE ABOUT ARE WE MAKING MORE TOOLS OR PROVIDING MORE TOOLS IN THE TOOLKIT? SO APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION. EL WANTED TO SHARE THAT SINCE I KNOW ZONING COMMITTEE WILL HAVE THIS ONE DISCUSSION BEFORE SECOND READING. >>Chair Waters: APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. >>Councilmember Dos Santos Tam: THANK YOU CHAIR. I WITH LIKE TO NOTE MY RESERVATIONS ON BILLS 11, 14 AND 15. I THINK TAKING TOGETHER, ON THIS FIRST READING, ITEM, THERE IS A SORT OF SPLIT SCREEN EFFECT OF SO MANY BILLS THAT WOULD ADVANCE HOUSING, LONG CALLED FOR THIS COUNCIL TO BE PROHOUSING COUNCIL. AND CAN THERE ARE SOME BILLS THAT IF IMPLEMENT AS 24E STAND RIGHT NOW, WILL TAKE US BACKWARDS. HOUSING IS TEST PROBLEM WE FACE ON THIS ISLAND. BIGGEST PROBLEM. WE NEED TO BE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO, MAKE SURE THAT OUR OHOUSING POLICY ALLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS ON GROUND. ALIGNS WITH THE NORTH STAR CREATING MORER HOUSING FOR LOCAL FAMILIES AFFORDABILITY LEVELS THAT ARE ACROSS SPECTRUM. BECAUSE THERE ARE FAMILIESEL TALKING ABOUT THE BUS FARE INCREASE LATER ON IN THE AGENDA, FAMILIES MAKING $30,000 TOGETHER. THEY NEED HOUSING THAT THEY CAN RENT AND THAT IS DECENT AND FACE TO FACE FOR THEM. FAMILIES SAFE FOR THEM. FAMILIES TWO PARENTS BOTH WORKING WITH TWO KIDS STRUGGLING TO GO KEEP A ROOF OVER THEIR HEAD. SENIORS RENT, IS GOING UP. BUN OVER HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS. WE NEED HOUSING FOR EVERYBODY. AND IT NEEDS TO BE BASED ON THE IDEA THAT RECOGNITION THAT WE ARE SUPPLY CONSTRAINED AND NOT ENOUGH USING BEING PRODUCED NOT ENOUGH HOUSING WITH NEED TO PRODUCE IN THE RIGHT AREAS. VOTING WITH RESERVATIONS ON BILLS 11, 14 AND 15. EXPWROO YES. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I LOOK FORWARD TO LIVELY DISCUSSION ON THE ZONING AND PLANNING COMMITTEE. I INTRODUCED BILL MAINLY BECAUSE TWO PROJECTS I THINK IT WAS SKY ALA MOANA AND PARK COUNCILMEMBER OKIMOTO. END UP BUILDING REALLY SMALL STUDIOS. THAT THEY CAME BACK AND ASKED US TO ALLOW THEM TO BE RENTALS. AND U INSTEAD OF FOR SALE BECAUSE NOBODY WANTED TO BUY THEM FOR 30 YEARS. I GETS TOOL BUT IF WE CAN GET DEVELOPERS TO BUILD UNITS THAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY BUY AND USE, THAT'S REALLY IDEA BEHIND THIS. BUT I AGAIN, BEING LOOKING FOR LIEFERL DISCUSSION. IN THE ZONING AND PLANNING COMMITTEE. LIVELY DISCUSSION. JUST FIGURE OUT HOPEFULLY WE HEAR FROM THE DEVELOPERS SAYING WE'RE GOING TO BUILD BIGGER UNITS. PEOPLE ACTUALLY WANT TO LIVE IN. FOR 30 YEARS. PART PROBLEM IS WHEN IT'S 300 SQUARE FEET OR SO, FOR 30 YEARS, IF YOU HAVE A FAMILY, YOU CAN'T SELL IT. RIGHT? OREL ANY WAY. AGAIN, WE'RE MAKING GOOD PACE HERE. DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE TOO MUCH TIME. BUT APPRECIATE THAT. BILL 16 REGULATION OF DOGS. BILL 16. STEPHANIE KENDRICK IT HAWAII HUMANE SOCIETY. EL FIRST READING BILLING TESTIFY AM SUPPORT. YOU HAVE OUR WRITTEN TESTIMONY IN SUPPORT. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE DISCUSSION AT COMMITTEE LEVEL. THE BILL 8 THAT I WAS TESTIFYING THAT I'M HERE TO TESTIFY ON IS ACTUALLY LATER IN THE AGENDA. MY APOLOGIES FOR THE EARLIER CONFUSION. >>Chair Waters: NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU FOR TIEING HAWAII KAI NEIGHBORHOOD BOARD FOR 3 HOURS LAST NIGHT. STAYING. MR. CLERK, INTEREST THERE ANY OTHER TESTIFIERS ON BILL 16? >>Council Clerk: CHAIR, WE HAVE NO OTHER TESTIFIERS. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. ANY DIS DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. BILL 17. RELATING TO THE AFFORDABLE RENTAL HOUSING. I BELIEVE WE HAVE NUMBER OF REGISTERED TESTIFIERS. LEE WANG. AND GEENA THIELEN. >>Council Clerk: CHAIR, MR. CHAIR, FIRST TESTIFIER IS NOT LOGGED ON. >>Chair Waters: OKAY. GEENA THIELEN. FOLLOWED BY LANCE BE BERINGER. >>Chair Waters: ALOHA CHAIR. >>Testifier: VICE CHAIR. MEMBERS COUNCIL. I AM TESTIFYING IN OPPOSITION TO BILL 17. OF ALL THE BILLS THAT I HE REOPENING VIED TESTIMONY ON TODAY, THIS IS BY FAR THE MOST IMPACTFUL AND NOT IN A GOOD WAY. PROVIDED TESTIMONY. MOST SIGNIFICANTLY EXCEL SIT SUNSET DATE BY 3 YEARS TO JULY . WOULD ACCELERATE. PROJECTEN M PLANNING, IMMEDIATE SUSPENSION. IN THE MIDST OF HOUSING CRI CRISIS, ENDING AFFORDABLE PLAN THAT IS PROVEN RESULTS IS THE POOREST POLICY IMAGINE BEINGABLE. IF ANYTHING IMAGINABLE. SHOULD BE EXPANDING SUPPORTING AND EXTENDING THIS PROGRAM. WHILE THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES THIS WILL, HEIGHT LIMITER, BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH THIS BILL IS VERY EX EXISTENCE. THIS SENDS CLEAR MESSAGE OF HOSTILE INTENT TO EVERYONE IT WORKING TO SERVE THIS HOUSING CRISIS. IT SENDS CLEAR MESSAGE TO CITY & COUNTY OF HONOLULU WILL NOT HONOR COMMITMENTS AND SUPPORT PLACE TO INVEST CAPITAL. SO DESPERATELY NEEDED. FUNDING THESE PROJECTS. THE VERY EXISTENCE OF THIS BILL IS GIANT CLOSED FOR BUSINESS SIGN. I KNOW THAT UNU UNUSUAL TO DEFER OR NOT ADVANCE A BILL FIRST READING. IF THERE WERE EVER A TIME FOR THAT TYPE OF STATEMENT, THIS BILL WAS IT. THANK YOU. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO TESTIFY ON BILL 17? PLEASE COME FORWARD. WELCOME. >>Testifier: LAST BERINGER FIRST TIME COMING HERE. WALKED WITH MANY OF YOU ON PRON. HASN'T BEEN TO PENSACOLA INVITE YOU TO COME DOWN. AMAZING BUILDER ARE. ROOMS, HOUSE SO MANY OF HAWAII'S PEOPLE. FEELS GOOD. GETTING UP EVERY MORNING TO DO THIS WORK. END IT NOW WOULD BE I DON'T EVEN SEE WHO BROUGHT THIS THING. FOUND OUT ABOUT IT YESTERDAY. IF YOU BROUGHT THIS FORWARD, COME DOWN TO PENSACOLA. TAKE A LOOK AT THE BUILDING WE'RE BUILDING FOR HAWAII'S PEOPLE. IT IS THIS BUILDING WILL BE HERE LONG AFTERWARDS. AND WE NEED MORE OF THEM. AS FAST AS I CAN BUILD THESE BUILDINGS, THEY'RE FULL. THEY'RE FULL. IF THAT DOESN'T TELL YOU, THESE ARE HAWAII'S PEOPLE WE'RE BUILDING FOR. IF TO DOESN'T TELL YOU WHAT WE NEED, THEY'RE EVERYWHERE. BUILD E'O BUILT THEM ON KEY NI'IHAU, ALGOROBA, PENSACOLA. FINISHING UP GETTING THIS THING TURNED OVER HERE. ABOUT NO TWO MONTHS READY FOR AOC RNAOC OCCUPATION. THEN GET TO INSPECTION. COME DOWN. TAKE A LOOK AT THILD ABOUTING. GOOD BUILDING. IT WILL BE HERE FOR A WHILE. IT IS A GOOD BUILDING. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. WE ALSO SHELBY BILLIONAIRE REG REGISTERED TO TESTIFY. ER NOT HERE, ANOTHER MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC. PLEASE COME FORWARD. WELCOME. >>Testifier: ALOHA CITY COUNCIL. THANK YOU FOREL TI TIME TOO EXPRESS MY OPPOSITION FOR BILL 17. I PROPERTY MANAGER. FOR 3 BILL 7 BUILDINGS. I HAVE MORE REQUEST FOR UNITS THAN I HAVE UNITS AVAILABLE. THE BUILDINGS FILL VERY QUICKLY. WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE MORE THAN GRATEFUL TO HAVE A PLACE TO BE. TO HAVE A MODERN AND SAFE HOME. I REQUEST THAT YOU TAKE THESE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION THAT THESE BUILDINGS ARE FILLING QUICKLY. THAT OUR RESIDENTS ARE BEING ABLE TO HAVE HOMES. IT'S FULFILLING A NEED IN OUR COMMUNITIES. PROVIDING AFFORDABLE MODERN HOMES, PROVIDING JOBS FOR THE PEOPLE BUILDING THESE HOMES, AND I ASK THAT YOU ALLOW IT TO CONTINUE AND I OPPOSE BILL 17. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. WOULD YOU LIKE TO TESTIFY? PLEASE COME FORWARD. >>Testifier: ALOHA CHAIR. COUNCILMEMBERS. LEE WANG. I'M HERE TO OPPOSE BILL 17 WITH ABSOLUTE CONVICTION. HONOLULU FULL-BLOWN HOUSING EMERGENCY. FAMILIES ARE DOUBLING UP. THREE GENERATION ARE LIVING IN ONE APARTMENT. YOUNG PEOPLE BORN HERE CAN'T AFFORD TO STAY. AND ESSENTIAL WORKFORCE ACTIVELY BEING PRICED OUT AND LEAVING ISLAND. THIS ISN'T A SLOW CRISIS. ONE WE'RE ALA ACCUTELY AWARE OF. ACUTELY AWARE. EVERY TIME WE SEE BILL 17, EVERYTHING SLOWS DOWN AND GETS WORSE. BILL 7 IS ONE POLICY THAT IS ACTUALLY PRODUCED RESULTS. REAL HOMESSER REAL FAMILIES MOVING IN AND, THIS PROGRESS IS STEMMING TIDE. BILL 17 DOESN'T REFINE IT. SHORTENS RUNWAY. GUTS INCENTIVES. IT KILLS MOMENTUM JUST WHEN WE NEED IT MOST. THAT IS NOT LEADERSHIP. THAT'S CIAO CHOOSING LOUD COMPLAINTS OF FIGHT OVER THE QUIET DESPERATION OF THOUSAND YOU RECALL SANDY S SABOTAGE. GUYED AS CAUSING. -- DISGUISEDS AS CAUTION. WE SEE THE COMPLAINTS,EL KAILUA NEIGHBORHOOD BOARD IN SUPPORT OF BILL 17 OVERTLY TRYING TO PREVENT HOUSING OF DON'T WANT HOUSING FOR YOU PEOPLE WHO STAFF RESTAURANTS IN KAILUA. PEOPLE THAT STOCK THE SHOAL SHELFS TARGET TEACHERS CALL LAY HIGHWAY. HAVE TO MOVE RECALL KALAHEO MOVE AND DRIVE INTO KAILUA AND STATEMENT NEIGHBORHOOD BOARD, THAT GUMPTION TO COMPLAINE ABOUT TRAFFIC. CRAZY. WE CAN'T AFFORD LEADERS SIT IN THE CLAIMING FOR FIGHT HOUSING CRISIS WHILE PROPOSING BILL 17'S. AIM TO FRANKEL IT. TALK ABOUT AFFORDABILITY. TALKING ABOUT KEEP NG LOCAL FAMILIES HERE. PULL THE PLUG ON PIPELINE THAT ACTUALLY DELIVER IT IS. SO MAKE NO MISTAKE, THIS DECISION WILL BE REMEMBERED. VOTERS WATCHING PARENTS YOUNG ADULTS, KEIKI, YOU'RE SETTING UP FOR FAILURE REMEMBER YOU CHOSE LESS PRESERVATION OVER CARRIESTY. PRESERVATION OF SCARCITY BUILDING ACTUAL HOMES PRIORITIZED POLITIC OVER REAL IMPACTS. THIS ISN'T ABSTRACT POLICY. PERSONAL, GENERATIONAL. BILL 17 IS EMBARRASSING. BUILD HOUSING HONOLULU DESERVES. AND NEEDS BEFORE MORE PEOPLE LEAVE. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO TESTIFY? PLEASE PROCEED. >>Testifier: ALOHA. COUNCILMEMBERS. SUBMITTING TESTIMONY IN STRONG OPPOSITION OF BILL 17. BILL 17 PROPOSES TO REPEAL BILL 7 AFFORDABLE RENTAL HOUSING PROGRAM IN 2027. THREE YEARS EARLIER, CURRENTLY THAN ASKED UTILIZED. THIS BILL SHORT SCIELGTED, SHORT HE SCHEDULED. HARMFUL UNDERMINING HONOLULU FRAGILE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PIPELINER MERE INTRODUCTION THIS BILL, SENDS DESTABILIZING SIGNAL TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AND ERODES PUBLIC CONFIDENCE IN BILL 7 PROGRAM. BILL 7 TOOK NEARLY TEN YEARS OF COMMUNITY NEGOTIATIONS POLICY WORKER AND COLLABORATIVE EFFORT TO ENACT. HARD ONE TOOL DESIGNED TO SPECIFICALLY TOY ACCELERATE SMALL LOT, WALK UP, AFFORDABLE RENTAL HOUSING, ONE OF THE ONLY HOUSING TYPES THAT CAN BE REAL ICESICALLY BUILD QUICKLY AT SCALE IN HONOLULU URBAN AREAS. PROPOSES TO DISMANTLE THAT FRAMEWORK, JUST AS IT FINALLY BEGINNING TO GAIN TRACKS. IMPACT OF BILL 17, WOULD BE SEVERE AND MEDIATE. ANY BILL 17 PROJECT NOT ALREADY IN ACTIVE PERMITTING PROHIBITED FROM MOVING FORWARD AFTER JULY 1, 2027. THAT MEANS ARCHITECTS WILL STOP DRAWING. LERNSD WILL STOP UNDERWRITING AND LANDOWNERS WILL NOT R RISK ENTERING PROGRAM. COLLAPSE NOT 2027. BUT THE MOMENT IS BILL PASSES. MOMENT DEVELOPERS CAN NO LONGER RELY ON STABILITY OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROGRAMS, ON THE ISLAND. ONLY TWO WAYS TO EASE HOUSING CRISIS. INCREASED SUPPLY OF AFFORDABLE HOMES OR REDUCE DEMAND. REDUCING DEMAND LOSING LOCAL FAMILIES. BILL 17 DOES EXACTLY THAT. BY ELIMINATING ONE OF THE FEW PROGRAMS CAPABLE OF ADDING NEW RENTAL SUPPLY. MAKE NO MISS TAKE DOESN'T REALLY PHASE OUT BILL 7. SYSTEMICALLY GUTS IT. HONOLULU EXPERIENCING GENEGENERATIONAL HOUSING SHORTA. BILL 7 ACTIVELY ARE REDUCE FUTURE USING US HOUSING PRODUCTION. BILL IEWFER OFFERS NO ANALYSIS, NO REPLACEMENT PROGRAMS, NO EVIDENCE BILL 7 HAS RUN ITS COURSE, AND NO JUSTIFICATION OUTAWAYSING DAMAGE IT WILL CAUSE. ONLY CLEAR EFFECTS SATISFY CLASSIC NOT IN MY BACK ARAB SENTIMENT PRIVILEGE DISCOMFORT AIR INTERN CERCHS OVER THE SUNSHINE SURVIVAL LOCAL WORKING FAMILY SURVIVAL LOCAL WORKING FAN FAMILY CARFAMILY CAREGIVERS FAM. WITHOUT THOUGHTFUL VALUATION OR VIABLE ALTERNATIVE CANNOT AFFORD TO SEND MESSAGE THAT PROGRAMS SUPPORTING AFFORDABLE HOUSING CAN BE YANKED AWAY AT ANY TIME FOR POLITICAL CONVENIENCE. FOR THESE REASONS, AVALON DEVELOPMENT GROUP URGES COUNCIL TO REJECT BILL 17. EL WE SHOULD BE STRENGTHING BILL 7 NOT KILLING ONE OF THE FEW PROGRAMS PROVEN CAPABILITY OF PRODUCING REAL ATTAINABLE RENTAL HOUSING FOR HONOLULU RESIDENCE. THANK YOU. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO TESTIFY ON BILL 17? THANK YOU. ANY DISCUSSION? COUNCILMEMBER WEYER. FOLLOWED BY COUNCILMEMBER TUPOLA. >>Councilmember Weyer: THANK YOU CHAIR. APPRECIATE ALL THE TESTIMONY. THAT CAME OUT. I DO UNDERSTAND, I THINK, JUST GIVING OUR PAST CONVERSATIONS AS A COUNCIL, POSSIBLY SOME OF THE INTENT AND INTRODUCE THE BILL, I THINK WHAT IS BOTHERED ME SO MUCH ABOUT IT, IS THE ONLY FOLKS CAUGHT OFF GUARD. IN THE COMMUNITY. UP IN THIS WAS FILED I THINK THERE NEVER BEEN SIGNAL FROM THIS COUNCIL THAT WE ARE CONTEMPLATING ENDING THE PROGRAM. WE'VE BEEN RENEWING IT ONCE EXPIRATION DATE SETS IN. WE KNOW. I KNOW JUST FROM THE US AND OHANA AND OUR DISTRICT, THAT THERE ARE PROJECTS THAT IT THE COMMUNITY LIKES. AND IT HOUSING PEOPLE. AND HOUSING PEOPLE THAT NEED IT. AND I THINK MY EXPECTATION WAS WERE HE GOING TO HAVE A GOOD POLICY DISCUSSION HOW TO HOUSE OUR PEOPLE AND DIRECTION THAT THIS IS GOING, JUST CON IS DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION OF HOUR WE -- CONSOLIDATION OF POWER AND UNDERSTANDING THAT ONE PROJECT, THAT SOMEONE DOESN'T LIKE, IS GOING TO RESULT IN THE BILL THAT DRET ENDS TO KILL THE ENTIRE PROGRAM. THREATENS TO KILL ENTIRE PROGRAM UNLESS SOMEONE COMPLIES THAT PERSON'S WISHES THEN ALL OF THESE MEASURES GO TO THAT PARTICULAR COMMITTEE. I MEAN, I SEE SAY STAY BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE WE SEE THE TESTIMONY FROM THIS, WE KNOW THAT CHALLENGES OF FOLKS THAT, CANNOT TESTIFY BECAUSE OF CONCERNS ABOUT WHO COMMITTEE CHAIRS ARE. HOW LEADERSHIP STRUCTURES OCCURS MAYBE I'M WAITING INTO THINGS. COME BACK. PURPOSE OF THAT. >>Chair Waters: IF YOU COULD ARGUMENT TO BILL 17. >>Councilmember Weyer: STAKEHOLDERS I MEAN. SO POINTS BEING FOLKS ARE WATCHING. AND I THINK WE NEED TO RETURN PEOPLE OVER POLITICS. EL HAVING RESPECT FOR COMMUNITIES STAKEHOLDERS, HAVING CONVERSATIONS, AND ENSURING THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED IN HOUSING ARE PEOPLE INCLUDED IN THIS THE CONVERSATION. AND THAT'S WHY I HAVE TO VOTE AGAINST MOVING IT FORWARD. BECAUSE ENDING PROGRAM NEXT YEAR PUT A LOT PROJECTS ONLINE. ER FINANCING GOES INTO IT ALL THE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HOW TO DO THE PROJECTS AND SO JUST WANTED TO SAY I'LL BE VOTING NO VERY STRONGLY. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. I DO BELIEVE THAT EACH COUNCILMEMBER HAVE YOU HAD HAVE THE RIGHT TO INTRODUCE ADMINISTRATION BASED ON THEIR COMMUNITY NEEDS. AND OUR ISLAND IS DIVERSE. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE DIFFERENT REPRESENTATIVES FOR DIFFERENT AREAS. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO RESPECT THAT. GOING FORWARD. COUNCILMEMBER TUPOLA. >>Counc.>>Councilmember Tulba: REGARDING MY RESERVATIONS, I'M NOT A VOTING MEMBER. BUT LIKE THE DISCUSSION I LIKE TO HEAR MORE. BEGIN, I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU JUST SAID. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. IT COUNCILMEMBER DOS SANTOS-TAM. FOLLOWED BY COUNCILMEMBER KIA'AINA. >>Councilmember Dos Santos Tam: THANK YOU. KEEP MY REPOL REMARKS BRIEF. SETTING FAC STAINING HOUSING CRISIS WE'RE IN RIGHT HOW. NOT ENOUGH RENTAL UNITS FOR PEOPLE TO RENT. NOT ENOUGH FOR SALE PRODUCT PEOPLE CAN AFFORD TO BUY. AND YOU LOOK AT WHAT BEEN ABLE TO BUILD OVER THE PAST FEW DECADES. HIGHRISEs. LUXURY HIGHRISEs. KAKAAKO. MARCH OF THOSE GOES ON. AND THEN OUT OF WEST SIDE, SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES. THAT ADD TRAFFIC TO H-1 EVERY SINGLE DAY. WHAT IS MISSING IS APARTMENTS, SMALL MEDIUM SIZE, APARTMENTS THAT FIRST-TIME HOME BUYERS CAN OR FIRST TIME RENTERS CAN MOVE OUT OF THEIR PARENTS HOUSE INTO. FOR FAMILIES TRYING TO MOVE UP THE LATER, JUST A LITTLE BIT, TWO PARENTS, TWO KIDS TRYING TO KEEP A ROOF OVER THEIR HEAD SRSENIORS WANT SOMEONE TO LIVE IN DIGNITY. RENT NOT GOING UP AND UP. DON'T BUILD MORE RENTAL HOUSING, THAT RENT IS GOING TO GO UP. AND UP AND UP. WE'RE NOT GOING TO SOLVE PROPER PROBLEMS OVERNIGHT. CANNOT MOVE OUR CITY BACKWARD IN THIS. APARTMENTS IN THE APARTMENT ZONED. I KNOW THERE'S OBJECTIONS TO THINGS LIKE NO PARKING AND ALL OF THAT. THAT WAS DECIDED BACK IN 202 O. NOTHING TO DO WITH BILL 7 PROGRAM. THAT'S A POLICY THAT APPLIES TO ALL THE APARTMENT ZONES IN THE PRIMARY URBAN CENTER. WANT TO FIX THAT, IF WE WANT TO DEAL WITH OTHER THINGS, HAVE TO BE A MULTITUDE OF OTHER ISSUES. BUT BILL TO REPEAL THIS SUCCESSFUL BILL 7 DELIVERED ONLY PROGRAM DELIVERED HUNDREDS OF RENTAL UNITS IN OUR URBAN CORE, I CAN'T SUPPORT THAT. SO FOR THE FIRST TIME VOTING NO ON FIRST READING ITEM. 3 YEARS OF BEING HERE ON THE COUNCIL. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU SO MUCH. COUNCILMEMBER KIA'AINA. FOLLOWED BY COUNCILMEMBER CORDERO. >>Councilmember Kia'aina: THANK YOU CHAIR. I ACTUALLY WELCOME ALL OF THE COMMENTS AND TESTIMONY ON THIS BILL. ASK FOR MY COLLEAGUES EXCEPT FOR COUNCILMEMBER WEYER. BECAUSE HE ATTACKING ME F FERN PERSONALLY NO ROOM FOR IN THIS COUNCIL. I ACTUALLY WANT TO APPLAUD COUNCILMEMBER DOS SANTOS-TAM BECAUSE HE HAS ACTUALLY BEEN LOOKING INNOVATIVELY AND IT'S REFLECTED IN THE COUPLE OF BILLS TODAY. WE ARE NOT GOING TO AGREE ON ALL OF THE BILLS TODAY. BUT I DO FEEL THAT HE HAS BEEN SINCERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO OVERALL INCREASE THE NUMBER OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS. I WILL JUST SAY THAT, I WOULD ENCOURAGE MY MEMBERS TO LET ALL OF THE BILLS 7 BILLS GO FORWARD. I AM CONFIDENT THAT WITH THE THREE COMMITTEES OF JURISDICTION, THAT ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THIS, AS WELL AS COUNCILMEMBER TUPOLA WHO IS DRAFTING OMNIBUS BILL ON BILL 7, WE HAVE THAT D DIALOGUE SO WE UNDERSTAND THE GENESIS RATHER THAN THROWING ARROWS UNNECESSARILY. IT WILL BE THE BUDGET COMMITTEE, ZONING COMMITTEER AND HOUSING COMMITTEE WHO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS. TINTENT WAS EXPRESSION OF MY COMMUNITY WHO FELT THAT WHAT WAS CONTRARY TO THE KO'OLAUPOKO SUSTAINABILITIES PLAN. I DO UNDERSTAND ABOUT DOING EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO PROVIDE TOOLS TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF UNITS. AND WE HAVE DONE SO. AND MULTITUDE OF AVAILABLE TOOLS. NAMELY, 201H. WHICH BASICALLY ANY PROJECT CAN HAVE A AVAILABILITY THEMSELVES OF OF I DID WANT TO O HIGHLIGHT TWOEL TOOLS UNDERUTILIZED. HOUSING AFTHOUSE ADVOCATING OPPG THIS. OUTREMP DEVELOPERS AND HOMEOWNERS AVAIL THEMSELVES TO TWO PROGRAMS RUN BY DPP, THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT UTILIZING. ONE, THESE BOTH HAPPEN UNDER ORDINANCE 2502, OR BILL 64 PROVIDES FOR RESIDENTIAL UNITS TO BE BUILT AND INN BUSINESS DISTRICTS. NOT NO ONLY TOP OF BUSINESSES, BUT FREESTANDING. AND THAT WOULD BE AT ALL INCOME LEVEL IS NOT JUST AFFORDABLE HOUSING. UNITS. MARKET RENTS. THERE IS ALSO A PROVISION THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES THAT FAMILIES ARE ABLE TO BUILD ADU AS WELL AS OHANA DWELLING UNIT. THAT WOULD BE TWO UNITS. AND THE PURPOSE WAS TWO-FOLD. IF YOU'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT MULTIGENERATIONAL, FAMILIES, THEN DO IT. DON'T PROVIDE ENVIRONMENT FOR SPECULATORS TO COME IN AND BULLDOZE CAN YOUR HOUSE AND PUT TWO ADUs AND ONE SINGLE FAMILY. BOTH OF THESE PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE AND I FEEL THAT WILL HELP TO INCREASING HOUSING PLANNER AND HOUSING SUPPLY AND KEEPING PEOPLE HERE. ALL I ASK IS THAT WE HAVE THIS DIALOGUE AND A AT AN LATER DATE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER CORDERO. >>Councilmember Cordero: THANK YOU. CHAIR. I AM GOING TO BE VOTING WITH RESERVATIONS ON 17 AS WELL. AS BILL HAD 14 MAINLY BECAUSE I LIKE THAT SNIVMENT BILL 4, LIE LIKE COUNCILMEMBER DOS SANTOS-TAM AND FLOOR LEADER, KIA'AINA MENTIONED DIFFERENT BILLS, THAT I GUESS CURRENT DINNER DINNER CORE CORRELATE TO THE PROBLEM SURROUNDING BILL 7 PROJECTS MENTION OF LUO, CERTAIN T.O.D. PLANS. EVEN WHAT'S APPROVED IN, PAST IPD-T AND TRACK LAWS WITH PARKING. I THINK THOSE ARE BETTER ROUTES TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES. ISSUES TO THE BILL 7 PROJECTS. AS WELL AS IF WE WERE TO LOOK AT THE BILL 7 PROJECTS, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST MAINLY LOOK AT OUR WHETHER IT BE THE SUBSIDIES AND ALSO, THE QUALITY OF THE HOUSING THAT WE ARE PROVIDING AT THE END OF IT. SO WANTED TO NOTE THAT. AND CHAIR I DO WANT TO ASK FOR CLARIFICATION. ARE WE SUPPOSED TO NOTE OUR RESERVATIONS FOR THE OTHER BILLS? OR RESERVATIONS OPPOSITIONS FOR OTHER BILLS. >>Chair Waters: >>Chair Waters: I THINK THERE IS A GOOD TIME. BILL 17 WAS THE LAST OF THE FIRST READING ITEMS. SO AT THIS POINT OPEN UP FOR DISCUSSION. NOTING YOUR RESERVATIONS ON BILL 4. AS WELL AS BILL 17. >>Councilmember Cordero: AND 8. >>Chair Waters: AND BILL 8. >>Councilmember Cordero: THANK YOU. >>Chair Waters: OKAY. BILL 8 RESERVATIONS FOR CORDERO. ALSO, WANT TO NOTE THAT, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OF BILL 17? COUNCILMEMBER TUPOLA. >>Councilmember Tupola: THANK YOU SO MUCH. I DO THINK ALL OF THE TESTIFIERS COMING TODAY. IT'S CLEAR THAT THERE IS A LOT OF INVESTMENT THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR THIS PARTICULAR CHAPTER 32 BILL. 7 PROJECTS. I DO FLOW KNOW FOR MANY PEOPLE WORKING WITH DPP AND CITY HAS BEEN ROUGHER BUT FINALLY GETTING GOING. AND AS AN EXAMPLE, I JUST MET WITH DTS AND THEY SAID IT TAKES FIVE YEARS TO PUT UP ONE STOP LIGHT. IF THAT'S THE CASE, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO GET A BUILDING UP OR A HOUSING COMPLEX? ALL I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THAT THERE IS A LOT OF LAYERS OF BROCK ROCY REALLY WISH WEREN'T THERE. ER BRAC RAYCY. THERE FOR SAFETY, THERE FOR ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESS. -- BEAURACACY, FINALLY HAVE BEEN SOME PROJECTS THAT HAVE BROKE GROUND AND NOW IT'S OCCUPIED. AND ACTUALLY BEEN TO A FEW OPEN HOUSES NOW PEOPLE ARE HAVING BARBECUES, HAVE RESIDENTS MANAGERS PEEKING, SO T THE END OF THE TUNNEL. I DO WANT TO MAKE NOTE THAT HERE AT THE COUNCIL, WE'RE ACTUALLY NOT ABLE TO GO AND TALK WITH EVERYBODY ABOUT ALL OF OUR IDEAS SO THROW IS KIND OF THE WAY THAT ALL OF THE IDEAS COME OUT. SOMEBODY INTRODUCE A BILL WE THINK IT'S GOOD. MAYBE IT NEED AS JUST. THINK IT'S BAD. NEENEED AS ADJUSTMENT OMNIBUS BILL WORKING ON, I MET WITH SO MANY PEOPLE, RECALL GRASSROOTS INSTITUTE HOUSING ORGANIZATIONS, DEVELOPERS, DPP MULTIPLE TIMES BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO GET EVERY I'D IT YEAH AND EVERY -- IDEA AND THOUGHT. SAY FOR EXAMPLE GOING ON IN KAILUA. MIGHT NOT AM BE I CONCERN FOR THINGS GOING ON KALIHI. NOT A CONCERN THINGS GOING ON IN KAPOLEI KIND OF WAY OF LOOKING AT DID WE CAN STILL HELP IT SUCCEED. STANCE IS NOT TO KILL BILL 7 PROJECTS OR END THE PROGRAM. THAT I THINK MOVING FORWARD, SO SOME OF THIS INPUT EYE READ ALL THE DIFFERENT BILLS COME UP, SOME OF THEM GOOD. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO TAKE SOME OF IT. BUT I THINK TESTIFIERS, AN OTHER THINGS WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, AND ONE MORE THING AND WRAP U I AM VOTING WITH RESERVATIONS. KNOWING THAT COUNCILMEMBER KIA'AINA SAID, IS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. WE ARE GOING LOOK FOR POSITIVE PATH FORWARD. WORKING TOGETHER. SO WE CAN PRESERVE BEST PARTS OF THIS PROGRAM. WE SPOKE AT AN FILIPINO CHAMBER OF COMMERCE ON SATURDAY. INTERESTINGLY. LEGISLATURE SAID WHATEVER WE CAN DO ON STATE SIDE TO HELP WITH. PAYING,EL YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE DO WANT A LITTLE BIT OF MORE HELP. BECAUSE WE WANT THESE PROJECTS TO SUCCEED. BUT INDEFINITELY WE CAN'T IF WE DON'T HAVE HELP ALL OF OUR PARTNERS. WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THESE PROJECTS. I'M IN SUPPORT OF MAKING IT MORE EFFICIENT. I WILL WORK WITH ALL COUNCILMEMBERS ALL IDEAS THAT HAVE BEEN LAID OUT. FOR THE BEST PATH FORWARD. WE ARE ALL STANDING TOGETHER AS A COUNCIL WANTING THE BEST FOR LOCAL FAMILIES TO LIVE HERE FOR GENERATIONS TO COME. I'M SAYING THAT OUT LOUD TO EVERYBODY TO MY LEFT AND TO MY RIGHT NOW MATTER WHERE OUR EDDIE STASTANCEs THAT IS OUTCOME WANTMENT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO STRIVE FOR, DIFFERENT WAYS OF GETTING THERE. OUR HEART ARE WITH THE PEOPLE, COMMUNITIES AND DO WHAT IS BEST AND LUCKILY FIRST READING. SO WE HAVE MANY ITERATIONS TO GET WHAT IS BEST TO THE BEST VERSION OF THE BILL. THANK YOU. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. ALSO JUST WANT TO POINT OUT YOU ALL HAVE APPROVED OVER 10,800 UST U UNITS SINCE SITTING IN THESE SITS OF WHICH ABOUT 8,000, 3ER 73 -- 8,373 IDENTIFIED AS AFFORDABLE. I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER DENIED, ANY PROJECT. SINCE YOU ALL BEEN SITTING HERE. LIKE THAT IDEA. GOING TO COMMITTEE. HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK THIS OUT TOGETHER. IN A PUBLIC FORUM. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON BILL 17? COUNCILMEMBER DOS SANTOS-TAM. >>Councilmember Dos Santos Tam: ONE NOAH WANT TO THANK ONE NOTE. THANK VICE CHAIR TOMB BRINGING UP PARTNERS ACROSS STREET STATE LEVEL. A LOT OF LEGISLATION DEALING WITH HOUSING ONE NOTE ABOUT BILL 7, THERE IS CURRENTLY A PROPERTY, THERE IS A G.E.T. TAX WAIVER THAT APPLIES THESE BILL 7 PROJECTS. THAT EXPIRES JUNE 30 OF 2025. 201H36A5 PROGRAM. AND IF WE'RE IN THIS ALIGNMENT, IT CREATES CONFUSION AND ALSO MEANS THAT WE ON THE CITY LEVEL AREN'T DOING OUR PART WHEN OUR STATE PARTNERS ARE TRYING TO HELP WITH THE TAX SITUATION FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I WANT TO MAKE SURE IN PART OF DISCUSSION WE ARE IN RAY ALIGNMENT AND NOT ACROSS CROSS WORKS STATE PARTNERS. >>Chair Waters: OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY FOLLOW-UP DISCUSSION OF BILL 17? SEEING NONE. MEMBERS ARE IN DISCUSSION ALL THE ITEMS. DO I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT ON BILLING 4, BIG 4 WITH RESERVATIONS BY COUNCILMEMBER NISHIMOTO AND CORDERO. ON BILL KIA'AINA AND MYSELF. >>Chair Waters: AND WITH RESERVATIONS. FROM COUNCILMEMBER KIA'AINA. ON BILL 8, RESERVATIONS BY CORDERO. ON BILL 11, AND RESERVATIONS BY COUNCILMEMBERS WEYER AND TYLER DOS-SANTOS TAM. ON BILL 12, RESERVATIONS BY COUNCILMEMBER DOS SANTOS-TAM. ON BILL 13, RESERVATIONS BY COUNCILMEMBER WEYER. ON BILL 14, RESERVATIONS BY COUNCILMEMBER WEYER, TULBA AND TYLER DOS-SANTOS TAM. ON BILL 15, RESERVATIONS BY COUNCILMEMBER WEYER. ANYONE U. >>Vice Chair Nishima: CHAIR. >>Chair Waters: I'LL GET BACK TO YOU. BILL 17, RESERVATIONS BY CORDERO, TULBA, AND TUPOLA. AND NOs ON COUNCILMEMBER WEYER, AND TYLER DOS-SANTOS TAM. DID I NIGHS ANYTHING? >>Councilmember Tulba: RESERVATIONS ON BILL 15. SORRY. >>Chair Waters: NO PROBLEM. BILL 15 RESERVATIONS, BY COUNCILMEMBER TULBA. >>Councilmember Okimoto: NOTE RESER RESERVATIONS ON 17. >>Chair Waters: RESERVATIONS ON BILL 17 BY COUNCILMEMBER OKIMOTO. ONE MORE FOR ME. >>Chair Waters: HOLD ON. ANY OTHER? >>Councilmember Okimoto: GOOD? >>Councilmember Tupola: JUST RESERVATIONS ON 15, THANK YOU. >>Chair Waters: NETTING RESERVATIONS ON BILL 15 BY COUNCILMEMBER TUPOLA. RELATIONSHIP OKAY. COUNCILMEMBER DOS SANTOS-TAM. >>Councilmember Dos Santos Tam: AT THAT CORRECTION. I'M YES ON 12, BUT WR ON 11, 14 AND 15. NO ON 17. >>Chair Waters: YES ON 12. >>Councilmember Dos Santos Tam: FOR CLERK, WRITE DOWN MY WR AND NO. >>C.>>Chair Waters: SAY THAT AGAIN. YES ON 12? >>Councilmember Dos Santos Tam: W WR ON 11, 14 AND 15. AND NO ON 17. >>Chair Waters: GOT IT. ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY. THANK YOU MEMBERS. NOTING RESERVATIONS AND THE NOs ON ALL FIRST READING ITEMS, ITEMS ON PAGES 8 THROUGH 13, OF THE AGENDA, WITH EXCEPTION OF BILL 17, HAS PASSED FIRST READING. MOVING TO BILL 17. WE NEED TO TAKE A ROLL CALL. BECAUSE THERE'S A NO VOTE. NO NEED TAKE A ROLL CALL? OKAY. THAT'S RIGHT. THIS ISN'T REMOTE MEETING. DON'T H HAVE TO DO ROLL CALL. SO ALL MEASURES ON PAGES 8 THROUGH 13, HAVE PASSED FIRING. THANK YOU MEMBERS. LOOK FORWARD TO LIVELY DISCUSSION IN COMMITTEE. PASSED FIRST READING. I DO WANT TO PROPOSE ARE THAT WE TAKE. SECOND READING ITEMS ON PAGES 14, AND 15 AND BREAK FOR LUNCH. PAGE 14, COMMITTEE ON BUDGET. COUNCILMEMBER OKIMOTO. >>Councilmember Okimoto: I MOVE THAT COMMITTEE REPORT 4, CR26, BE ADOPTED AND BILL 76, 2025, PASS SECOND READING. >> MOVED AND SECONDED. ER COUNC COUNCILMEMBER OKIMOTO EXPANSION. OKAY RELATING TO GOVERNMENT TRANS TRANSPARENCY. >>Chair Waters: ANY TESTIFIERS. >>Council Clerk: CHAIR, WE HAVE NONE. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. ANY DISCUSSION? MEMBERS? SEALISEEING NONE. ANY OBJECTION OR RESERVATIONS? NOTING NO OBJECTIONS OR RESERVATIONS, C R44-26 HAS BEEN ADOPTED AND BILL 76, 2025 HAS PASSED SECOND READING. CR4, 26, OKAY ECONOMY MOVE THAT COMMITTEE REPORT 5, 26 BE ADOPTED AND BILL 77, 2025, PASS SECOND READING. >>Vice Chair Nishima: SECOND. >>Chair Waters: MOVED AND SECONDED. >>Councilmember Okimoto: RELATING TO BUDGET EXECUTION. >>Chair Waters: ANY TESTIFTESTIFIER? >>Council Clerk: CHAIR, WE HAVE NONE. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ANY OBJECTIONS OR RESERVATIONS IS THIS COUNCILMEMBER TULBA. TUBE RESERVATIONS. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. RESERVATIONS OF COUNCILMEMBER TULBA. CR5-26 HAS BEEN ADOPTED. AND BILL 77, 2025, PASSED SECOND READING. EL P 15. COUNCILMEMBER DOS SANTOS-TAM. >>Councilmember Dos Santos Tam: I MOVE COMMITTEE REPORT 21 OF 2026 BE ADOPTED AND BILL 8, OF 2025, CD1, AS AMENDED PASS SECOND READING. >>Chair Waters: MOVED AND SECONDED. TYLER DOS-SANTOS TAM EXPLANATION. >>Councilmember Dos Santos Tam: RELATES TO ANIMAL KNEW NUISANCES. >>Chair Waters: ANY TESTIFIERS? >>Council Clerk: CHAIR, WE HAVE NONE. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU ANY DISCUSSION? >>Council Clerk: CHAIR, ONE PERSON BY VIDEO CONFERENCE. >>Chair Waters: OKAY. PLEASE PROCEED. >>Testifier: ALOHA CHAIR. VICE CHAIR COUNCILMEMBERS. STEPHANIE KENDRICK HAWAIIAN HUMANE SOCIETY. IN SUPPORT I WILL BILL 2025. EL I WANTED TO SHARE, ILLUSTRATION OF WHY THIS BILL IS SO IMPORTANT. ONE OF MY SENIOR INVESTIGATORS YESTERDAY, SPENT FIVE HOURS IN COURT ON DOG BARKING COMPLAINT. ONLY TO HAVE THE JUDGE THROW THAT COMPLAINT OUT. DISMISSED WITH PREJUDICE. USUALLY THESE ARE DISMISSED BECAUSE THE JUDGES DON'T FEEL THAT THE INT U COMPLAINANT HAS SUFFICIENTLY PROVEN THEY WERE DISTURBED. SO GOING THROUGH THE CRIMINAL COURT SYSTEM WITH THESE CASES IS EXTREMELY FRUSTRATING. AND NOT VERY PRODUCTIVE. AND WE'RE REALLY HOPING THAT HAVING THIS CIVIL FINE OPTION WILL ALLOW US TO COMPEL PEOPLE TO DO A BETTER JOB MAKING SURE THAT THEIR PETS AREN'T BOTHERING THEIR NEIGHBORS. REALLY STRONG SUPPORT BILL 8, 2025 AND APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENTION. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANY FURTHER TESTIFIERS? >>Council Clerk: CHAIR, ONE OTHER TESTIFIER BY VIDEO CONFERENCE. >>Chair Waters: OKAY. PLEASE PROCEED. >>Testifier: ALOHA. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN. PLEASE PROCEED. >>Testifier: OKAY. ANGELA MELODY YOUNG ON BEHALF CARES. RESCUE ANIMAL RIGHTS. SO JUST WISHING TO COMMENT, SUPPORTIVE OF HUMANE SOCIETY. AND THEIR INVOLVEMENT. FOR TRAINING ANIMALS AND HAVING TO DEAL WITH CRIMINAL ASPECT OF PUNISHMENT. I THINK IT'S A VERY INTERESTING TOPIC. COUNCIL TO BE JUDGE OF. TRAINED ANIMALS UNDERSTANDING THAT ANIMALS ACT ON INSTINCT, FEAR OTHER LEARNED BEHAVIOR. RATHER THAN HUMANEL ABILITY TO JUDGE MORALLY BY LOGIC. QUESTION,. ( AUDIO DISTORTED) INTERPRETED SAFE ENVIRONMENTS. SO THIS. ( AUDIO DISTORTED, TRAINERS AND CITY, PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO MANAGE O -- SURFACES OR PEOPLE THEIR -- MORE PROVISION FOR HELPING ANIMALS, HELPING ANIMAL TRAINERS, THAN THERE WOULD BE LESS PUNISHMENT IN THAT CRIMINAL ASPECT OF DEALING. >>Chair Waters: OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER TESTIFIERS? PLEASE COME FORWARD. JOLIE TOKUSATO. ALOHA. , SORRY. ACTUALLY WANTED TO TESTIFY ON BILL 76 YOU WENT TOO FAST FOR ME TO COMPLETE COMPREHEND THAT YOU WERE ASKING FOR TESTIMONY. CAN I DO THAT ONE INSTEAD. >>Chair Waters: SURE. >>Testifier: GOOD. THANK YOU CHAIR WATERS AND OKAMOTO FOR INTRODUCING THIS TRANSPARENCY BILL. LOCAL 5 WANTED TO BE ON THE RECORD SAYING WE ACTUALLY SUPPORT THAT. AND I CANNOT IMAGINE ANYBODY SAYING NO TO TRANSPARENCY. FULLY SUPPORT THAT. I ALSO WANT TO JUST OFFER OUR SERVICES UP TO IF YOU WANTED MORE INPUT ON WHAT WE THINK COULD BE MAKE THE BILL EVEN BETTER, PLEASE LET US KNOW AND WE'LL BE HAPPY TO GIVE YOU OUR OPINION. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU APPRECIATE IF YOU. ANYBODY ELSE ON BILL 8? YEAH, BILL 8, 2025. CD1. SEEING NONE. ROLL CALL. >>Co CHAIR. >>Chair Waters: I'M SORRY. >>Councilmember Okimoto: THIS QUICK DISCUSSION. IF THAT'S OKAY. >>Chair Waters: YES, PLEASE. >>Councilmember Okimoto: WANTED TO MAHALO THE COMMITTEE CHAIR TYLER DOS-SANTOS TAM FOR HEARING THIS MEASURE. I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THE CONSIDERATION, INN HAS BEEN EFFORT THAT WORKING WITH OUR COLLEAGUES ACROSS THE STREET AND CAPITOL THANK THE DIRECTOR FROM OUR COMMUNITY SERVICES DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS DID HE STEPHANIE HUMAN SERVICES SOCIETY. THIS IS MEASURE THAT, WHILE MAY NOT BE SOMETHING TOO CONTROVERSIAL, WILL HELP OUT OUR COMMUNITIES IN ALLOWING TO ENSURE THAT OUR COMMUNITIES ARE SAFE AND HELPING AS WELL AS MISS KENDRICK SAID, HELPING CASES IN THE COURT SYSTEM. SO THANK YOU AGAIN. THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER DOS SANTOS-TAM. FOR HEARING THIS MEASURE. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. ROLL CALL. >>Council Clerk: CHAIR, COUNCILMEMBER CORDERO. >>Councilmember Cordero: AYE. >>Councilmember Dos Santos Tam: AYE. >>Councilmember Kia'aina: AYE. >>Vice Chair Nishima: (NO RESPONSE.) >>Councilmember Okimoto: AYE. >>Councilmember Tulba: AYE. >>Councilmember Tupola: AYE. >>Councilmember Weyer: AYE. >>Councilmember Waters: AYE. >>Council Clerk: CHAIR, NINE AYES. >>Chair Waters: THANK YOU. CR21-26 HAS BEEN ADOPTED AND BILL 8 , 2025, CD1, HAS PASSED SECOND READING. THANK YOU MEMBERS. NOW 12:10. COME BACK AT 1:10. ONE HOUR. O THANK YOU MEMBERS. WE'RE IN RECESS. ( RECESS)ING