This transcript is from an **Apple Valley Planning Commission** meeting. Based on the context clues (the names of the Commissioners mentioned by the Chair and the Applicant, and the names of the Staff members), I have assigned the speaker roles as follows: * **Commissioner Scandlin:** The Chair of the Planning Commission. * **Terry (Staff/Planner):** The lead staff presenter (identified by the applicant at [28:18]). * **Blaine Barker:** The applicant representative from Real Estate Equities. * **Tim Benetti:** The Community Development Director. * **Various Commissioners:** Schindler, Hollis, Mahabald, Puit, and Sandell. [0:12] [Music] [0:49] **Commissioner Scandlin (Chair):** Good evening. Uh we call this meeting to order for the September 3rd, 2025 Apple Valley Planning Commission meeting. The first item on the agenda is approval of the agenda. Is there any changes from staff? [1:02] **Terry (Staff/Planner):** Good evening, Mr. Chair, members of the commission. Uh we have no changes for you tonight. [1:13] **Commissioner Scandlin (Chair):** Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. [1:15] **Commissioner Schindler:** Move approval. [1:16] **Commissioner Hollis:** Second. [1:17] **Commissioner Scandlin (Chair):** Uh moved by uh Commissioner Schindler and seconded by Commissioner Hollis. The next item on the agenda is Oh. I have a a motion for approval. And u I'm sorry I'm out of order here. All in favor indicate by saying I. **Commissioners:** I. [1:45] **Commissioner Scandlin (Chair):** Opposed, Nay. That progresses. The next item on the agenda is approval of the consent agenda. These items are considered routine and will be enacted with a single motion unless a commissioner requests to pull an item. Do I have a motion for approval? [2:05] **Commissioner Schindler:** So moved. [2:06] **Commissioner Hollis:** Second. [2:07] **Commissioner Scandlin (Chair):** Moved by uh Commissioner Schindler and seconded by Commissioner Hollis. All in favor indicate by saying I. **Commissioners:** I. [2:20] **Commissioner Scandlin (Chair):** Oppose, Nay. That moves forward. There are no public hearings this evening and um move to item number five which is a land use action item for Valley Station Apartments. [2:33] **Terry (Staff/Planner):** Thank you chair, members of the commission. Um tonight we have an application that was before you at the July 16th meeting. Um the land use request that they're asking for um is to approve a 144 unit workforce housing apartment development. The two requests that they're asking for is to approve amendments to PD number 507 and then approval of the site plan building permit authorization... [Staff continues presentation detailing site plans, setbacks, parking analysis, and responses to public comments through 20:19]. [20:20] **Commissioner Mahabald:** Thank you, chair. Um, with respect to item number 16 on your presentation, um, I was curious the, uh, there it's it's carried out a little bit more in more detail in the actual memorandum. Um, but I I note there that it just says that the SIHD designation did not increase the existing densities of the sites and that the city has already approved the densities... [20:38] **Terry (Staff/Planner):** The the densities um previously went up to 24 um I believe and I was not here for the 2040 comp plan... the the densities um of the SIHD designation um they overlap a little bit but they were that area was already designated as high density. [22:04] **Commissioner Mahabald:** When you when you use the phrase high density, what like is is does that cover a particular range of units per acre? [22:15] **Terry (Staff/Planner):** It does. And off the top of my head, I apologize, I don't recall what um the 2030 um comp plan was, but the the 2040 um allows up to with this designation, the SIHD allows up to 48 units per acre. [22:34] **Commissioner Mahabald:** Okay. So, so when it comes to that designation up to 48 units per acre, but again, these particular parcels uh weren't increased in density. [22:45] **Terry (Staff/Planner):** Correct. [22:47] **Commissioner Mahabald:** Okay. Thank you. [22:50] **Commissioner Scandlin (Chair):** Anybody else? I had a question. If do you have the um rendering that shows floor plan level one I think it's called what is meant by in the middle of the plan trash pad? [23:09] **Terry (Staff/Planner):** So that would be when they pull out the dumpster for garbage pickup it would not be stored there but that's just the um location for when it's um the day that they their service provider hauls their trash. [23:34] **Commissioner Scandlin (Chair):** Okay. So, where is that stored then? Is that that it has to be stored um interior of the site... [23:44] **Terry (Staff/Planner):** That is common when it's interior the garbage um vehicle doesn't have access to it. So, they will have a pad where they pull it out just on the on the the garbage day so that they can easily access that. [24:02] **Commissioner Scandlin (Chair):** Okay. Thank you. And then the other thing I was going to ask you with the change in or the increase in parking spaces, do those with all the parking spaces, we're still maintaining the Apple Valley standard in terms of dimensions that the spaces are required to maintain or did something change there? [24:19] **Terry (Staff/Planner):** The surface parking on the exterior parking lot, those meet all the requirements. The interior garage spaces, um, there are some that are proposed to be compact size. [24:32] **Commissioner Scandlin (Chair):** Okay. All right. Um, okay. Those are the questions I had for right now. So, thank you. [24:43] **Commissioner Mahabald:** Couple more questions with respect to exhibit B. Um, the there's a reference to the Chasewood Town Homes with 27 units. This is not a fair question, I'm sure... do you know what that what the density per acre is of the Chasewood town homes? [25:05] **Terry (Staff/Planner):** Um I do have it that Oh, the density of Chasewood was 10.9 units per acre. [25:15] **Commissioner Mahabald:** Okay. And then similar question for the quarry with the 45 units. What would the density be there? [25:25] **Terry (Staff/Planner):** I I apolog I do not know the density of that one. [25:35] **Commissioner Mahabald:** And then with with the similar apology um there's also reference to the Glen Brook town homes and the 39 units. Any idea what the density there is? [25:40] **Terry (Staff/Planner):** Commissioner Mahabald, I apologize. I do not know the density. [25:44] **Commissioner Mahabald:** No, it's not a fair question to spring it on you at this point, but I'm just I'm just curious because that that I guess I for me the the biggest hangup that I have with this proposal is the density... these don't appear to be anywhere close to the density of the proposal. Um so I guess that's just my observation. [26:45] **Commissioner Scandlin (Chair):** Any other questions? I think we're good for right now. [26:50] **Terry (Staff/Planner):** Oh, if um we can just switch over the um PowerPoint to um the developers. [27:03] **Blaine Barker:** Good evening, commissioners. I'm Blaine Barker with Real Estate Equities. I also have representatives of cost architects and L engineering here this evening. Um thanks again for welcoming us back... [Applicant presentation detailing company background, building materials, amenities, and height reductions through 33:40]. [33:40] **Commissioner Scandlin (Chair):** Thank you for being back and um listening to some of the comments that came back and the adjustments that you did make. So, thank you for doing that. Any of the commissioners have specific questions they'd like to ask? [33:48] **Commissioner Hollis:** thanks for coming back... Um I do remember something about the parking from the previous and tell me if I'm wrong that your allowing the parking spaces to the tenants without additional charges. Is that correct? [33:57] **Blaine Barker:** Uh Commissioner Hollis, thank you for um mentioning that. Uh that's correct... the Valley Station apartments that we're proposing is unique and this would be the only one of the five that um that garage parking would not be a separate charge. [34:44] **Commissioner Hollis:** Very good. Thanks. [34:46] **Blaine Barker:** Sure. [34:58] **Commissioner Mahabald:** Um thank you. with respect to the elevations and particularly the side by sides um that you you you showed. I'm just curious. It like it looks in in both in all of those renderings... there's a significant green space shown in those. Is that accurate in terms of the green space associated with this development? [35:54] **Blaine Barker:** Commissioner Mahabald, it it does... I don't think it's fully accurate. It's also not incorporating um the six-foot fence. That'd be another screening between the two properties. Um so I apologize, but the the green space um does not appear to be fully accurate. Um the main um point of the side by side rendering was to kind of emphasize the height. [37:17] **Commissioner Mahabald:** Then the only other area like with respect to the play space I like the addition of the indoor play area as well... what is the age range that would typically um like participate in or use that space? [37:47] **Blaine Barker:** Yeah, thanks again, Commissioner. Um, playground equipment is typically um there's two age buckets that equipment typically serves... we do anticipate the indoor area to be for younger kids. [38:48] **Commissioner Mahabald:** Okay. Thank you. [39:15] **Commissioner Scandlin (Chair):** Anybody else? Couple of things. Um I did note the the rendering too from the east side. So I would ask that if this proceeds tonight... you would update those to better reflect the reality... how do you with our concerns with parking and so forth, how is snow removal handled in terms of snow storage? [40:18] **Blaine Barker:** Thank you, Commissioner Scandlin. Um, understood on correcting the rendering... typically we would, um, provide kind of a snow storage exhibit and work with staff on that. Um, and if staff determines... that the locations on site are inadequate, then we would have to haul off um snow. [41:15] **Commissioner Scandlin (Chair):** The other question I had is... have a better understanding of your definition or how you would define workforce housing and how you your management style to these properties. Is there somebody that lives on site or they remote? [41:55] **Blaine Barker:** Uh thanks again, Commissioner Scandlin. Um, so workforce housing or affordable housing can mean a lot of different things to a lot of different people. For us, we're targeting people uh households that make um 60% of the area median income... In terms of management, uh we have an on-site manager, on-site maintenance... Monday through Friday during business hours um it is staffed and then we have um you know on call maintenance during the weekends... [46:17] **Commissioner Scandlin (Chair):** Okay, that helps out quite a bit... That's all the questions I have. Does anybody else have questions? Okay, thank you very much. [47:11] **Blaine Barker:** Thank you very much. [47:19] **Commissioner Scandlin (Chair):** Well, the next step, Terry, do you have a motion? [47:23] **Terry (Staff/Planner):** Yeah, I'll pull up that slide. Just second. [47:31] **Commissioner Scandlin (Chair):** So before is the recommended actions for this agenda item. Um there would be two separate recommendations or two separate motions and that will cover all the um various uh zoning changes and so forth. Correct. [48:01] **Terry (Staff/Planner):** Correct. So the first one um action item would be whether to approve or recommend approval or denial of the plan development number 507 ordinance amendments. And then the second would be um recommend approval or denial of the site plan building permanent authorization... [48:38] **Commissioner Scandlin (Chair):** Okay. All right. Commission commissioners, um could I have a motion, please? [48:47] **Commissioner Puit:** Yes, I'll make a chair. I'll make a motion to recommend approval of the plan development number 507 ordinance amendments. [48:51] **Commissioner Sandell:** Second. [48:52] **Commissioner Scandlin (Chair):** Okay. Um it was moved by Commissioner Puit and uh seconded by Commissioner Sandell. All um in favor um indicate by saying I. **Commissioners:** I. [49:10] **Commissioner Scandlin (Chair):** Opposed, Nay. That um moves forward. So thank you. [49:19] **Terry (Staff/Planner):** Excuse me. We need to make another motion on the second one. [49:24] **Commissioner Scandlin (Chair):** All right. My apologies. Um, commissioners, could I have a motion for the second item, please? [49:33] **Commissioner Hollis:** I'll make a motion to recommend approval of the site plan building permit authorization for Valley Station Apartments subject to the conditions in the draft resolution. [49:42] **Commissioner Sandell:** Second. [49:44] **Commissioner Scandlin (Chair):** moved by um Commissioner Hollis and seconded by um Commissioner Sandell. All um in favor indicate by saying I. **Commissioners:** I. [49:58] **Commissioner Scandlin (Chair):** Oppose, Nay. That also moves forward. Thank you. The next item on tonight's agenda is um item number six, other business. Tim. [50:06] **Tim Benetti:** Uh thank you, Mr. Chair, members of the commission. Just a reminder, your next upcoming meeting will be Wednesday, September 17th, followed by Wednesday, October 1st... our councils are 11th and 25th of this month as well. And uh again, we appreciate your attendance for tonight and hope you have a good evening. [50:47] **Commissioner Scandlin (Chair):** Okay. Thank you, Tim. You're welcome. U next item is adjourn. [50:50] **Commissioner Schindler:** Move we adjourn. [50:51] **Commissioner Hollis:** Second. [50:52] **Commissioner Scandlin (Chair):** All right. That was moved by Commissioner uh Schindler and seconded by Commissioner Hollis. All in favor by by saying I. **Commissioners:** I. [51:00] **Commissioner Scandlin (Chair):** Meeting is adjourned. [51:47] [Music]