attendees maintain some form of physical distancing this meeting is for council members to review and discuss important issues projects and future council meeting agenda items this meeting is a work-study session only and allows the city council to hear input from city staff no action will be taken at this meeting and there will be no opportunity to provide public comment thank you for joining our glendale city council workshop [Music] all right good afternoon welcome to glendale city council workshop session of september 14 2021 meeting is called order attendance roll call we're not going to make everybody is present if you'd make note of that please uh miss barrow if you'd go ahead and just take us right on into item number one sonoma cotton annexation a n-227 application for 36 acres located at the southeast corner of cotton lane and northern avenue good afternoon mayor members of the council here for the first item today for today's workshop will be tabitha perry she's our interim planning administrator thank you mr phelps good afternoon mayor and council the application for annexation before you is 36 acres in size and is located at the southeast corner of northern avenue in cotton lane the project the property is in the county jurisdiction with planned industrial and intermediate commercial zoning districts the city general plan designation is for regional mixed use and the most like compatible zoning district would be light industrial m1 the proposal is for the applicant to also rezone the property to pad plan area development for a mixed use development consisting of commercial industrial and multi-family residential land uses the property in question is approximately 13.5 miles from city hall this aerial map depicts the irregular shape of the property that is before you the surrounding zonings are in the county for the property surrounding the property the subject property the annexation map itself depicts the annexation application an227 and it is worth noting that the 36 acre parcel before you right now is the smallest parcel being proposed for annexation within the new frontier corridor area this conceptual site plan exhibit is intended to give you an overview of what the proposed rezoning application will ask for just south of northern avenue is 24 acres that is being proposed for two buildings for commercial development and the two larger buildings are for industrial building comprising of a total of 345 000 square feet of development and then just east of cotton lane the applicant is proposing 144 single level rental units over 12 acres the conceptual site plan is just a larger visual of what the proposal for the rental units like the plan before you right now depicts once again the two smaller buildings for commercial and the two larger buildings for industrial with one access point being proposed on northern avenue this loop air force-based noise contours just just to show that the proposal is a little more than a half a mile outside of the north's contours therefore a general plan amendment would not be required because the application is including residential component the developer will need to comply with the graduated density concept which this requires for the location of a maximum of four dwelling units per acre so we take the entire side of the parcel which is 36 acres times the four dwelling units per acre to come up with 144 units and then the applicant developer has the ability to decipher where on the site they would propose those units so the proposal for the 144 units is in compliance with the graduated density concept luke air force base is aware of the annexation and upon initial look of the annexation itself there does not appear to be any concerns from their perspective they are still reviewing the rezoning application to give a final determination the fiscal impacts shows that the overall project will generate a positive net fiscal impact to the city with one-time fees estimated at 2.5 million dollars and a possible net benefit to the city of an estimated of a hundred and ninety thousand dollars per year excluding the one-time revenues this bar chat chart is intended to show you the blended average so for the revenues overall is estimated at 460 thousand dollars in revenues with the expenditures being estimated at 270 000 and then the overall net benefit to the city being estimated once again at the 190 000 um provided that council provides direction to proceed forward with the annexation the next step would be the blank petition followed by a public hearing for the adoption of the annexation if that ending station adoption is approved by council the property will be added to the city limits 30 days later council that concludes the presentation i'll be happy to answer any questions councilmember clerk wait a minute thank you mayor i am inclined to not support this proposed annexation we developed a council policy probably five or six years ago that encouraged the development of commercial manufacturing industrial in this area that we call the new frontier and not residential now as far as i'm concerned the applicant is using fuzzy math when it comes to the residential portion so it's his right to include all the acreage in in his mathematical equation and then turn around say oh see we meet the four units to the acre but but really even in their narrative they're they say they're proposing approximately and i'm quoting 144 single-story homes 11.6 dwelling units to the acre including a mix of duplex style and detached homes i think it violates the spirit of the graduated density concept so on that basis and the basis of council policy to discourage residential in our new frontier area i cannot support this thank you mayor thank you any other questions good thank you mayor um what is the um what comprises the expenditures what does that take into consideration once they can counsel thank you mayor council councilwoman tomachoff it takes in consideration for the improvements to the road as well as anticipating that the private that for the residential it will comprise of private streets for the maintenance aspect of it as well as the expenses that we acquire from like fire and police i'm sorry mary could you say that again fire we don't have any public safety out there mayor councilwoman thomas currently we do not um but looking at the area short term and long term whether we enter into a contract for those services or and if the city has to budget for those services in the future to 270 000 seems awfully low um to support especially you know i don't know 300 or so residents um and then whoever also i mean i know and i agree with councilman clark we we've indicated we really prefer no residential out there but that's not to say that there aren't industrial accidents and that there's still not a need for public safety there you know there's people coming back and forth to work i mean any any development out there is going to create potential for the need for public safety with more people traveling on the roads going to and from these jobs that we're creating so i just thought that number for me anyway i'd like to if there's any more data available to support that number that does seem really low to me um if you're including you know all the costs for the maintenance of the streets and all of that um it seems like it doesn't seem like very much 270 thousand dollars does it go very far so i was just curious what what all it was so that's really all in an all-in number for that is that right mayor council members yes okay thank you mr phillips uh members of the council um you know just a couple of things just for your consideration as you go forward one remember that this is a an annexation application to us which we we've treated a little bit different in the past than those who are required to be part of the city and have no other option in terms of where they're at two we've used the ability to co-locate density on a smaller area a number of different occasions one was the the cabin homes as an example of something the council approved here approximately two years ago that allowed them to kind of take the entire site and shrink down their uh their development to that side i think the one of the things we looked at long and hard is if you look to the west of this site is that you have um you have a lot of residential even though it's not in the it's not city residents as they are the residential community in waddell immediately to the west and if you look at that the only way you'd be able to do any kind of commercial manufacturing industrial on that site would be then to put all of the traffic out on the road that abuts the residential and so when we looked at this in that it is a annexation application to come into the city the fact that we have done the ability to con condense the site down to create a little bit more overall density and because of the impact of the neighbors to the west we felt this was a good compromise which will then ensure that the main part of the corner of on northern avenue remains industrial and then we have the ones project here we don't anticipate having to build this is not a large enough development to trigger any type of additional substations or or fire stations this time so we can rely on our existing automatic aid and mutual aid agreements in the area to provide support there so just something as as consideration we do do this we did a look at the at the impact of the neighbors to the west and we felt that this compromise being that they were you know uh coming in as an application for annexation was uh was worthy of recommending to go forward on it thank you i i've got a couple questions uh and i don't know who to ask if it's you or maybe a developer i don't know cotton lane from the southern part of their property up to the intersection of northern will that road be required to be widened and then also from cotton lane on northern up to nearly the 303 entrance ramp will that also need to be whitened to accommodate mayor council member cotton lane we'll have to have 65 feet of half street improvements which would include the curb gutter sidewalk and any other mcdot um detailed requirements and i apologize mayor i didn't hear your second question well and the same question for northern avenue from cotton lane going eastbound up to the 303 where adot takes that over will that need to be widened and curbed and guttered and all those things mayor council members i i don't have the answer for the northern avenue as of yet okay so my next question is if if we're annexing this does then and you i think you sort of almost answered my question that you said the county would remain responsible for cotton lane not the city of glendale okay mayor that is correct cotton lane will be controlled by mcdot with the county okay and then northern is that going to fall under mcdot or under glendale mayor council members based on my notes northern is controlled by adot by a little more than a thousand feet of the loop 303 and then the city of glendale will control the remaining 990 feet along the property frontage okay that's that's if it's annexed if it's not annexed then it stays county is that correct somebody anybody mayor councilmember we don't have the answer for you on that question as of yet i can report back anybody have an educated guess and that's that's all i'll keep it as as an educated guess yeah this is going to be an educated guess and maybe it's not like phd educated but uh cotton lane you know we're we're in the process now of developing an iga with the county sorting out uh what arterials they're going to maintain and which ones we are and you're going to see that very soon but right now we're presuming that the county will maintain cotton lane i am not sure about that small section of northern avenue i have to get back to you on that i'm not i'm not positive of that although uh tabitha did say that from the 300 westward there's at least a quarter of a mile that would still be a dot that section between where adot ends and cotton lane is well i'll have to get back to i can't i can't be sure which which section of that arterial that we agreed that we would take on and which one the county would okay all right let's go back to tabitha so the the south east corner of this property that they're not putting property on is that the same property owners let me see if i can go back here on the slides to make sure at the south corner of it that's not shown as part of it of the intersection the southeast corner so immediately west of their property and north of their property that they're planning a mayor know that it's not part of they don't own that property okay so uh has that been uh is there any request in the in in line for annexation of that corner mayor members of council that's that's a it's a u-haul's uh facility with storage on that site and we did reach out to them to see if they'd be interested in annexation in they said no um and and so one of the things that we were also concerned about they had a desire to expand their storage into that property up there and so it was another reason why we were felt if we could bring this in and annex it we would prevent that from from turning into an expanded storage facility which would really you know um in our mind not you know generate any any financial benefit to the area okay and to be clear there's currently nothing on that property now and you're talking about the u-haul were on the west side of 303 they actually have a location yeah that the buildings you see there in the on that's kind of circled out from the blue line if you're if you're looking at page number four on the slide that is the facility that is a u-haul facility with storage on the north side my my picture doesn't show hardly any blue at all so it's kind of hard to figure out are you looking at the aerial map mirror yeah okay yeah yeah what i'm looking at it doesn't look like there's anything there whatsoever okay so i i'm sorry you're looking at the site that is uh that abuts the 303 to this that is on the south end of the um of northern avenue would be to the north then there's a there's a spot where they want to annex in and then farther down south you'll see a series of four buildings that run horizontal in two buildings that run vertical okay that's the u-haul site that's the u-haul center okay so i got that and so separated by that this is proposed new building in this corner up here correct that's that was my question yeah so if you look at the site plan we kind of squared off this kind of because it's a again it's a it's a a squared off s-shape uh parcel so we we had staff kind of mark that off to make it a more square development to want to accommodate the mixed-use commercial manufacturing and then to the south to accommodate the residential okay okay yes no no it is okay um so when i'm looking at the and i and i love that we get these now is the current annexations map on slide five it appears that this is literally only connected to the south by um either annexations that are in progress or or that we've already done so it all all the way around it is county it's i mean it seems almost like we're kind of sort of creating a county island out there by annexing this because it's a little weird shaped parcel and the only way it's connected to anything else is and 230 right directly south of it is that right mayor councilwoman thomas that is correct that application to the south will be forthcoming um before you guys for consideration roughly probably another month or so so if for some reason at that annexation 230 doesn't actually go through this literally would be a county island mayor councilman yes that would be correct i i would i would be not i would be well inclined to wait and see what annexation 230 is i don't think we we want to create any county islands so that's kind of where i'm at i think we i feel like we should wait uh councilman clark has considerations also but if that doesn't if for what we don't i don't know what that annexation is what's being proposed there but if we don't annex that then this literally would be creating a county island which i feel like is a mistake thank you mayor members of council the 230 is very consistent with the other annexation issues the city council has has been improving uh in large quantities over the past two years we'll get you information on that but it's a it's a large commercial manufacturer annexation that will generate quite a bit of new uh jobs and commercial space so we'll we'll get that information to you but it's very consistent with the other types of proposed projects remember our options are pretty uh limited as we annex in property in that area because of the overlays and the contours that's required in the different zoning that's out there there's no residential being proposed on annexation 230. it is 100 industrial manufacturing designation yeah mr phelps let me ask a question that really i think everybody should be thinking about if if we basically say no to an annexation they can still build out their own county that is correct and we would lose the control over design standards and uses and those things so it is a little bit our leverage is a little bit different in in this area some because of the requirements of getting access to infrastructure like water and sewer we have more leverage others we have less leverage but again this is relatively consistent with what we have been doing but again this is really a council call if they choose uh mayor to answer your question i i was a little bit confused on the northwest corner of that site that that is vacant that is owned by the lds church and that is that does remain in the in the county at this point we've not heard of any plans for them to develop that or to annex at end so that is the so you've got kind of the u-haul down at the right-hand corner you have the property by the lds church and then you have the proposed area for annexation kind of running horizontal or vertical or diagonal okay are all three actually joyce hold on bart thank you mayor i appreciate the concerns that the other council members have raised i thank you for the volume i i'm curious as to how this integrates with our voter approved general plan will this require a general plan amendment to develop the way that it's been proposed here today and i realize this is an annexation hearing not a zoning hearing but we only do ourselves our residents and the applicant harm if we don't look a little farther down the road thank you mayor councilmember turner we evaluated right now the general planning designation is for regional mixed use and because the applicant will be coming forward with the pad proposal for the rezoning that it will not require a general plan amendment uh mayor miss perry so i'm looking at our general plan categories we have a category in our general plan for industrial and that's not how this is this site is designated in our general plan the designation as you just said is regional mixed uses i can't at the moment find a definition for what's included in regional mixed uses but i don't think that industrial is what we were considering and planning for out there in that particular corridor that parallels the 303 and is outside of the 65 decibel um i don't i was out there not too long ago and it doesn't look like we're running out of industrial land available inside the 65 decibel and i'm concerned about the future and the ability of of this area to support itself through tax revenues and if we keep giving away the land that we've been planning on having a commercial designation and and generating tax revenue then this area out here will become parasitic to the rest of the city perhaps it's hard to predict the future but that's my concern and i don't want that to happen i don't think that that would qualify as good long-range planning so so then my next question would be is this particular property um encumbered by the epcor agreement where in order to get water and wastewater service they do have to come to us to for annexation um mayor and councilmember turner this property is part of that pada agreement and it is intended for this property to receive services for the sewer and water by epcor and as i understand that agreement we only get the in essence like first right of refusal if we decide not to annex it in then they can proceed with their annexation with the county council um mayor councilmember turner that is correct uh mayor that appears to be a sticky wicket um i would i don't i mean i i would say i i really appreciate the concerns that have been raised including the nature of the residential there though in that it is rental we it would generate sales tax revenue um the 2.2 on rental properties but there's only 144 units so that's that's not a ton of it and i just i mean if if they want to proceed with caution but you know it just feels like we're in a kind of a tight bind here but and i would try to caution staff to try to project and adhere more closely to what the voters approved in the general plan though i realize that it can be sticky on your end as well thank you mr phelps yeah let me just a couple things added additional information so one and i'll and i'll get perhaps randy huggins to provide a report back to the council because actually while you may drive out into the area in the new frontier area and see what appears to be a lot of vacant space we actually now we we could not find a site available recently for a a new potential development that needed a roughly around 50 acres they literally everything that had there's been so much transaction and property changing hands for development so oddly as it may look when you go there visually we actually are now concerned that we don't have a lot of opportunities to attract new projects based on the available land within the city with regards to 303 corridor again we can certainly pivot as an economic development department but this council has been relatively clear that along the 303 corridor from our northern border down to camelback on the west side of the 303 to either citrus or the cotton lane everything the city has been doing has been zoning that in as a as manufactured commercial industrial uses and we've done literally millions of square feet of projects probably in excess of 10 million square feet on the west side of the 303 in that area so i think this application at least is consistent in that area except for the notion of the um of the the fact they want to put 120 plus units of residential in that was um you know we've been pretty firm with other annexation issues where we have more control of saying you know we're going to do you know we're not going to approve any other uses so again it's a it's a council call but i will say we are getting concerned about the number of available space because we've been very successful at generating a lot of new projects here in glendale along the 303 corridor thank you mr milner thank you mayor my question more is around the idea of residential in this area as everyone knows we've annexed and we're building millions of square feet of industrial space all these industrial spaces require people to work at them and i think this fits it's providing a very close residential community for a very large industrial area it's next to other residential areas but i think it provides an opportunity for rental opportunities for the entire industrial community in the area to rent space when they need somebody close by where they can come to work very quickly so i see it as a win in that sense as a plus for our industrial area to have some a little bit of mixed residential in there as well and so based on that and based on what the other discussions that have been mentioned here today i would be in favor of moving this forward thank you mr miller i haven't formed an opinion either way but the one thing that all of us have is bruises from getting beat up from folks in waddell complaining about industrial this does create a buffer and and i think that's something all of us should consider i don't think they're going to complain about residential nearly if they will about industrial so again i haven't formed an opinion and fortunately we don't have to right now yeah go ahead thank you mayor i would remind everybody that the current county zoning is planned industrial and intermediate commercial now in other instances where we have had to take residential they already had the zoning for residential in this case the applicant is proposing the rezone to include residential either we stand by what our policy is which is just to discourage residential or we do not and as mr phelps said just a few minutes ago between northern and camelback on the west side of the loop 303 we have concentrated on attracting manufacturing industrial commercial to the point now where it's becoming difficult to find large enough parcels to accommodate some projects that want to come in that's the first thing second thing i would mention is i can't tell what kind of residential is to the west but it really doesn't matter what kind of residential to the west i hope you all remember love's travel stop because apartments are viewed by many people as akin to a love's travel stop and if you think we're going to get admiration for having accepted an apartment complex as a quote buffer then we're living on different planets because i don't think that will be the case i i just don't want to set an example and open the door so that other developers can come in and offer this kind of mixed-use project and that's what we're doing if we accept this as it is again um i appreciate all the comments and the thought behind this and if you could guarantee me council member malnour that all 144 units would be rented by people who would work in the nearby industrial you might convince me but we both know that that is not going to be the case so i don't think that's a good argument for for encouraging residential in an area we deliberately said would be the new frontier for industrial manufacturing and commercial thank you mayor mr phelps and then councilmember thomas shaw yeah mayor members council we'll provide you some additional information one of the things that again remember that the county zoning and uses that they allow a little bit different from us so we do have leverage in that they for them to get services they have to come in but then our their leverage with us is we have to bring it in exactly the same way their current entitlements are and what we were trying to prevent when you look at the existing which is the intermediate commercial there were a lot of uses there that we didn't feel fit in well with what the from a job vision there so what we'll do it's it's i'll grab our team we'll we'll kind of detail that out in a memo to you as to what they can do there then if because we'd have to bring it in with exactly the same um designation through a pad they always do excuse me nothing no so so we'll we'll show you what that looks like and then if the council said if you think that those kinds of uses seem to be acceptable then we can certainly we have a different uh approach to how we could do their annexation agreement but early on councilman clark we were just trying to stop that it's that general commercial that uh designation is a wide open uh designation for what they can do there where we felt like if we could restrict it to commercial manufacturing on the hard corner and then the residential that was the trade-off between the two but we'll get a memo up to you you'll have plenty of time as this kind of moves forward uh you know through the process to say no and to back off of it is not support by the council thank you mayor um i just looked up the zoning on the county assessor's website and i see the property owner's 303 and lower buckeye llc out of scottsdale and it shows zoning c2 i know that's county zoning but i also know that we have we have c2 zoning available and that our annexation policy requires that we annex the property in in this and as close as zoning category as possible of how it's zoned in the county now i don't know but i'm going to find out if county allows residential and c2 zoning but we do have c2 zoning it's not c2 that's what it says i'm looking at it right here on the county assessor's website um mayor councilmember termitrov sometimes the way the maricopa account assessors um database works they update their information um maybe quarterly so sometimes when you look at the assessor's information that what they show for the zoning may not necessarily be correct i'm not saying that it is or it isn't but when staff did their analysis and i double checked this morning it showed it as being the plant industrial which would to some degree would be similar to our m1 zoning district and then that intermediate um commercial would be similar to our c2 and some of the uses that was that is within our c3 zoning district the reason why staff is saying the light zoning would be m1 is because we don't city of glendale we don't apply to zoning districts so we was looking at the parcel in its entirety of 36 acres and then saying that the most light compatible zoning is the m1 for the light industrial so if there's a way that the two of you can compare where you're getting your information from to see which one is correct that would that would solve some of that confusion you had a question yeah i was just going to say then where does staff go to to determine what the current zoning is what what is that what is the resource that staff uses for that your council remember thomas we use the assessors and then we also look at the database for the county on their website for their zoning districts so between the applicants analysis and preparation of their application they're showing it as the same zoning classification that his staff is stating to you in the presentation but i'll be more than happy to um speak with you offline to make sure that we're given the correct information on that that that would be great the assessor is county though so i mean it's not like it's the state assessor it's maricopa county assessor so i would think that they would be sharing information that if there was a zoning case obviously the assessor should be able to update the property records because it's all county so i appreciate the follow-up but i i think probably everybody would like to have that information not just me thank you thank you mayor um just to double back on a couple of things um the question was asked as to what's the nature of the residential to the west and directly west is large lot acre two acre horse type properties the clearwater estates kind of area to the northwest is more typical single-family residential neighborhood that would be used to at least according to what is available on google earth which doesn't get updated as often as one might think even the county would perhaps but that's what's there according to google earth the the other thing it was mentioned that we have authorized or uh allowed industrial all up and down the west side of the 303 from camelback to our northern boundary i'm not exactly sure we have and if to the extent we have it's because that 65 decibel corridor crosses over the 303 at glendale avenue so south of glendale avenue more or less because it comes through at an angle that is inside the 65 decibel where the industrial is probably the highest and best use we have there that's why the general plan designates that area is loop compatible and the area that we're talking about is the um the mixed use and that we've always at least i and i think others have felt we need to make sure we have uses in there that are going to generate tax revenue and um i would be interested in seeing what is um spoken for i guess out in that area i can see largely what's been annexed in don't know if all of that has a end user at this point and i don't know whether the this particular property has a end user committed or whether this is and i'm seeing staff shake their head no there is no end user committed that you know can't find anywhere else to locate because i know their spec and i'm under the impression that they're spec industrial out there but nonetheless you know the there seem to be some existing county zoning on this we need to try to make the best of it and i think the only way to make the best of it is probably to bring it into the city and let our let us and our staff manage it as best as possible under our development standards rather than under the county development standards we can have we can discuss the zoning issues later but that's where i think i am regretfully good you've been quiet yes sir i have thank you mayor um i've heard quite a bit of dialogue here and it sounds like every box has been checked staff has checked zoning staff has checked the annexation policy and you followed every step um if we leave this to the county we're going to do exactly what councilmember turner just mentioned we're not going to be able to influence the design we're not going to be able to influence the quality of a project we will do that if it comes into glendale and i've seen our projects and we can influence very very well and do a very good job and lastly staff has answered every question to the council members for the exception of one that you're going to verify but i'm going to bat that that that you've checked that box too to this point now i can be supportive of it and i do agree with council member malnour that this will be a a property where folks will live in for jobs in and around the far west valley as it continues to grow so i can be supportive mayor thus far and we look forward to hearing from staff back on the on the c2 thank you mayor any other discussion go ahead good mayor i was going to wrap up what you're saying so we we owe you some additional information we'll work on this so we'll one um we'll get a report out on in terms of the like for like existing zoning and what that includes we'll try to give you a range of what if we bring it in with the current um uh zoning from the county what that would look like we'll verify obviously that that's that that information is correct and then two i'll provide a report uh regarding just kind of the overall overview of what's happening in the new frontier area a lot has changed i mean it literally is a a when i say a dynamic changing environment it literally is i'm with randy huggins and his team almost every week on new projects so we'll give you a good overview to kind of show you what is happening there it's kind of good news but we'll lay that out to show you kind of where we think available available opportunities are again it's not to say there's not land available but not all of its are are ready for development and so when we say we have a site someone looking for a site uh they're usually on a fairly tight timeline and uh so we have started to run into some problems there but that's a good problem to have so we'll get information to you and then we can certainly answer any questions offline between now and if the council uh wants to bring this back as a is a blank annexation uh petition we'll have that information long before that happens all right and i and i wanted to bring up one i'm sorry go ahead i just want to bring up one one thought uh you know it said that potentially uh everybody in these apartments could be working in the area i i don't and this isn't good or bad it's just being realistic almost everybody that i know it seems like if they live in the east valley they work in glendale if they live in glendale it seems like they're working in east valley i don't know why people do that it just seems like that's the way it happens so to think that everybody is going to work at these these new developments in those apartments i i think is wrong but who cares if they're living there they're they're shopping in our in our malls and our stores and our restaurants you know that's the way i see it uh not everybody's gonna live in the same place if it's an apartment it may be a temporary location now where maybe they want to move permanently into glendale so i don't think we should look at it that that's the only reason people would move there is because of job proximity i don't think that's realistic but it'd be nice if they did because we'd have less traffic on the roads any other discussion okay what do you need from us right now mayor i need a consensus to move forward with the annexation process okay i i believe that i heard a consensus do we have consensus to move forward yeah i think so yeah we do thank you mayor council okay okay item number two special event downtown transition fiscal year 2022 mayor members of council here to provide the next staff presentation will be led by our parks director jim burke and by heidi bergen good afternoon mayor and council thank you mr phelps so thank you for the opportunity to brief you today on our uh special events and the um the trial we did last year with live at murphy park in may or this past year excuse me and then look ahead on what's to come uh this season in the new fiscal year this is an up this is following up to the briefing we did this city manager in the economic development department in april and council consensus giving us direction for what we call the pivot strategy which is changing the way we had been doing downtown events today i'm going to have heidi beriga do the presentation for you and at the end we'll be glad to take questions let's see if i can get this on this time hi mayor and council it is nice to be here again and see you and i'm excited to present this to you um what we have here on the first slide is the goal of live at murphy park that we did in may of 2021 the goal was to use live entertainment to attract a consistent and diverse customer base to the downtown area we wanted to establish downtown as a destination and create foot traffic and repeat visits to downtown throughout the may series we brought approximately 2500 guests to the 16 night series here in the downtown area 75 thank you i blame it on the transitions you'll see here the breakdown the average per night thursday evening friday average saturday average and sunday average and what we saw here are some pictures of examples we saw diverse crowds we saw couples on dates we saw friends and families of all ages not only dancing in the amphitheater but dancing up in the park area as well our av team here in-house installed a professional stage and top-of-the-line audio equipment the stage really became a billboard for this event and we did it we created a brand with the live name we heard people saying that they had a great time at the live at murphy park concert instead of we had fun out there in the park the other night we heard many compliments throughout the series and one of the highlights that i heard was a gentleman while mogeon was playing commented that when he closed his eyes he really felt like he like he was at a pink floyd concert what you see here are some examples of some media events that we did prior to the may series we held a media event at the glendale civic center at the fountain terrace where we invited all types of media platforms to learn about what downtown has to offer about the live series and introduce the painted guitars that we involve the downtown merchants in in keeping up with the social media craze we also had an influencer event at one of the downtown businesses what is an influencer in if you ask an influencer is someone who has built a reputation of their knowledge and experience on a specific topic and generate large online followings right here we have a couple of examples of some marketing that we did we did some traditional marketing like the billboards for billboards on the highways throughout the phoenix area but we also did a lot of gorilla marketing and what you see on the right was actually a video of one of the bands they sent they produced wearing a live at murphy park hat posted on their social media platforms as well as we posted it on ours the guitar art a big hit of the live at murphy park may series working with the chamber in the downtown merchants we distribute wooden guitars as well as art supplies to the downtown merchants who are asked to create a piece on what music means to them we received 40 guitars back and hung them in the park through the month of may it really became an opportunity for people to venture up out of the amphitheater into the park and see that there are other things taking place in the downtown area and you can see as from this first photo that people a lot of people were taking selfies in front of it as well you'll also see that we had some signage near the guitars with the qr code once you took a picture of that qr code it led you to a city landing page where all of the information about not only live at murphy park lived but information about each one of the guitars and the business associated with the guitar it also took you to a link about the business the economic impact that murphy park may of 2021 sales tax collection collections were up almost seven thousand dollars over the pre-covet collections of may 2019. this represents approximately 215 000 increased taxable sales for the downtown merchants and what you see here in this transition budget was it was originally presented to the glendale city council at the downtown strategy retreat on april 2nd so hopefully it looks familiar to you and it breaks down into downtown events downtown event program grant program excuse me the chocolate experience permanent lighting city-wide event administration and city-wide special events we get to the fun stuff here you'll see the fiscal year 22 downtown event lineup october 2021 live at murphy park will be coming back thursday through saturday 7 to 9 00 pm and on the next slide i'll be talking about that a little bit more in november we're moving away from the traditional glendale glitters on november 19th we will be lighting murphy park and want to be able to invite the mayor and council to help start the holiday season the lights will go on the friday before thanksgiving allowing families that are in town for the holiday to get out and enjoy the downtown area prior to the holiday during the month of december friday and saturdays we'll have community groups on the amphitheater again showcasing their holiday spirit and bringing some activity to the downtown in february of 2022 we have the chocolate experience like we had mentioned at the glendale civic center that again is outsourced to an outside company and then we have live at murphy park proposed to come back in february and march of 2022. the live at murphy park if you haven't seen the poster i think all of you have it in your newsletters october thursday through saturday 14 nights of live entertainment we've really taken a step forward in our vision of the word live this october it's not just about music like we had discussed a while back when we first came up with this concept we actually have a local comedian who's going to come out and open up one of the evenings on october 15th so we're really excited to share that live aspect of it we have book bands for this live series that sell out paid performances at venues like the marquis theater we have bands whose music have been featured on mtv univision and fox sports we have someone who's performed and received a three-chair turn on the voice and we have a group that is comprised of the top latin jazz players here in the southwest so we're really excited to bring this different demographics here to the downtown area we're working with the chamber in the downtown merchants to sell prepared food and beverages in the park during these series we'll also have one beverage truck on site during the series as well one of the the comments we got in the may series was people really wanted um water on site we've also been working with the arts commission on a great selfie opportunity it is a ten foot tall six foot wide steel piece and it will be lit for the night time and a great photo opportunity for everyone to share it's going to be a great 14 nights like i had mentioned earlier in the calendar the murphy park holiday lights two features that we'll have in the park is this giant 16-foot lit snowman we know from experience with these big pieces this is a real draw for people to come and take their family photos and let the kids run around and we're also going to move the led tree that you usually see in downtown plaza into murphy park really creating a lighting extravaganza in the park area again this will be lit november 15th and it'll stay on until the beginning of january any questions good thank you mayor uh miss brenga that you can you back up to the the concession part of your conversation how who's going to be providing because i know when we did uh the may events that glendale ambassadors had had wanted to be able to sell and i understand that uh obstacles to selling alcohol but they certainly could sell water and soda and that sort of thing and they put that money right back into the community so who's going to be selling you said a beverage truck but are there gonna is there gonna be any opportunity for glendale ambassadors to set something up and try to generate some revenue there um for this for these uh 14 dates in october mayor and council members at this point there is not we will have the downtown merchants selling their merchandise um one one or two of the evenings and then the beverage truck the reason we went with the beverage truck it's an easy load in and load out um they're self-contained and they can just drive off property each and each night um well why wouldn't the mayor if i could continue why wouldn't the ambassadors be able to drive in and drive out i mean they could use pickup trucks and i mean they literally could you know i mean they probably i would imagine on a due just friday and saturday night but um i just feel like we're i mean no they're not we're not going to have the glendale glitter so the ambassadors are not going to have that opportunity they didn't have you know they've been affected by covet but they really literally the things that they do directly benefit members of our community so i think if at all possible we should be um for private enterprise but i think we should at least give them an opportunity to say can here are parameters that you have to work with whatever our parameters are that you have to make sure everything's taken out of the park and then you have to set up by whatever time and can you do that before we just dismiss the possibility of them being able to participate mayor council member we'll look into it okay thank you mayor enoch could i ask one more question yeah let me let me ask a question based on that though i know um and i could be wrong but in arizona revised statute there's uh uh a piece of that that says if you're doing something offside in a place that's typically not a place where you'd serve alcohol you can but then there has to be like 25 percent of the revenues have to be given to a charity does that affect glendale glitters or we're not calling glendale glitters what you're talking about mayor and councilmember does not that only affects when there's alcohol sales okay so it's a private company that's going to be doing this that were contracted to have they been awarded a contract mayor council member they have not okay so maybe we should make that part of the contract that they would that they would give a percentage to the ambassadors which would allow them to do what you want and still accomplish what you're trying to do just a thought that that's a that's a thought i know that the ambassadors voluntarily i believe during life during the may event came down and acted as ushers even though there's really no opportunity for them i mean they're part of our community and if there's a way for them to participate i mean they have this beverage thing down they don't mean it's probably not going to be hot chocolate weather usually october's a little early in our in this area for hot chocolate but yeah i mean the 25 is i think a possibility if the ambassadors aren't able to work it within whatever parameters we set up for them but i just feel like we should at least offer the opportunity to them um they've been you know very active and the fact that they came down literally and volunteered and acted as ushers and i saw them working i was down here i think that three or four times uh you know during the the may event and the ambassadors were down here working for free and with no opportunity to generate revenue and i feel like we we have a responsibility to offer the opportunity to them one other thing i wanted to ask was um [Music] you were talking about the comments and stuff from people were you doing intercept surveys or how were you collecting that data mayor and council members we weren't it was just standing out in the crowd and hearing people's conversations i would like to see somebody we have a downtown manager or somebody conducting some intercept surveys and having a set of series of questions that that people are specific like we should be gathering data not just i mean talking to people is great but we literally have a dedicated manager to downtown and other people special events staff that i don't know why we wouldn't be trying to do intercept surveys and have standardized questions that we're asking people so we can you know figure out what we're doing great what we what we need to improve on next time that kind of thing so if i would i don't know whether everybody agrees with that but i think it's something that we probably should do this time so we standardize the data that we're collecting and know what people love what they don't love that sort of thing something for your ambassadors to do good thank you mayor i'm serious i i not only support the concept of the ambassadors but i think there's a hitch in this whole thing and that is we are not providing opportunities for local businesses to participate by selling food for example it's my understanding that currently what you're offering is a table a six foot table that can be shared between two business downtown businesses that's ridiculous okay and i'm glad to hear that you haven't awarded the the beverage truck concession yet because i know that there are downtown businesses who are capable of doing that and have not been afforded the opportunity to participate and i believe that live at murphy park is something that will continue to grow but i believe that you need to focus your intention your attention on how you incorporate local businesses to be able to participate in the event and i would very much like to meet with both you and mr burke to talk about that further sometime in the next week thank you thank you mayor i agree with the comments of the other council members regarding the ambassadors they're not just a part of our community they're a very valuable part they've been working generously on the behalf of our community for well over 20 years all volunteer organization and i think that we should as a community respect that and give them an opportunity to participate and and a way that works well for them not just for us but let's find out let's not give them a list of things that we know they can't do let's sit down with them and see how can you how can we work together how can we help you to keep earning money and putting it back into our community obviously too i support the downtown merchants and whatever opportunities there are for them to in essence extend their business into that park environment for the event i think is good for us and good for them my primary concern here though is on page three has to do with the estimated attendance i attended over half of the nights for the first go-round on this did my own personal head count i'm curious what kind of methodology did the special event staff use to come up with their estimates on a nightly basis and then for the overall attendance mayor and council members we actually hired two ambassadors that stood at the top of the park as well as the stage manager and two times throughout the night they did a head count and we logged those i will um i would like to see us going forward maybe to do something a little more formal like you know take photographs while they do the head count so that we can go back and take a look i am i'm trusting i guess but i'm surprised that the turnout's that high and i don't want to set us up for failure that if we really if we either turn this over to someone else and we start measuring their performance and it appears that they've fallen short because our estimates early on were too aggressive that will not be good for the situation here so let's formalize the the data on that and and i realize not everybody's in the amphitheater but half of them weren't in the park either so um let's see if we can formalize the accounting of that so that we can all have confidence in it because if we're going to be a data driven organization we need good data thank you thank you mayor um yes i i too support having a space for the glendale ambassadors not only do they make money but they give it away and back in 2020 every received some information from the organization to date that date they had already given away 330 thousand dollars gave away 334 000 so i would be definitely inclined in continuing a relationship with them as they're giving quite a bit of money to organizations within glendale and organizations that help glendale but two i don't think having the table for a local business is is shameful or bad at all i think it's great if you ask a business owner a simple extension of premises goes a long way if you can extend that into the park with the table absolutely but i would ask that staff open the door to local businesses but this organization to date 2020 actually uh september 20 a year ago uh 334 thousand dollars they gave away so i think it's worth creating a rekindling relationship thank you mayor i uh i'd like to clarify something that that i think but i'm not positive what was hopefully your intention to try to get uh something that seems to be just crazy popular last couple years is food trucks was that sort of what you were aiming for to try to get food trucks in the area was that that was not a thought or a plan local encounter local excuse me mayor and council members no the idea is not to get food trucks to the area that really competes with the downtown businesses the idea was really just to get a beverage service down here okay and so okay so you clarify that for me so the beverage uh would the locals have an opportunity to to serve sodas water things like that where alcohol would be totally separate mayor and council members yes okay and so it goes back to what i'd asked earlier about uh because i'm pretty sure i heard somewhere to get an off-site liquor license or be able to serve for a special event that and we've we've i just don't know how it affects the cities but i know that there was something to do where to get that special opportunity you had to give 25 of the proceeds to a non-profit had to be a legitimate non-profit so i think where all of this sounds like we're kind of going is we want our local businesses to have the opportunity to conduct business and i think you guys did a great job with that in the past events we're not barricading people in front of where they can't see the business now they're actually using the business which is what we want but on the liquor cells if the ambassadors had the opportunity to work with whoever is going to be providing the liquor as the labor there might be a good compromise or we could accomplish everything but it's just something that i'd like to see you pursue mr mr mayor yes i think this has been uh helpful dialogue and and we'll certainly reach out i just uh want to maybe get some perspective either today or perhaps in the in the coming weeks because we've i want to remind the council that when we talked about the live at murphy park and kind of what the goals was that one of the goals was to try to drive traffic into our restaurants that have a full-time presence there so we haven't aggressively gone after when we use the term other glendale businesses i don't know whether whether the council's referring to those who have a premise downtown and maybe give them an extension outside versus opening up opportunities for vendors to come into the park so we'd probably want to have some discussion there because if we want to allow vendors from outside the area to come in on these nights it is somewhat a departure from our initial strategy of saying the goal is to have music and entertainment and encourage our families and our individuals then to go and to have a beverage or have dinner and have food in the restaurants which when we look at the sales tax results from the april series proved to be quite successful so just something to just just as a reminder as we're framing how we do this and i kind of look at the october and the april what we do again next year is a learning curve we're going to continue to get data continue to track what we're doing and we can certainly continue to improve upon our format but i do think that the notion of trying to encourage other outside vendors to come in is slipping a little bit back into our prior strategy built around the uh the glendale glitters and and those kinds of events where it becomes a more of a larger festival so we'll i don't know whether uh whether that's what we were suggesting that we bring outside vendors in or we have make sure we have a process to allow our existing businesses in downtown to extend out from their premise i believe there we have that option and did encourage that to happen if not we can certainly make that happen yeah well and to clarify i i wasn't uh i was looking for clarification i was trying to figure out exactly what the intent was it was bringing food trucks in it seemed like that was getting away from the direction that we all wanted to go i think what you just said is exactly where i believe that that we all felt we wanted to be i think what this couple is hoping for is that we can include our ambassadors and an opportunity for fundraising that in turn helps our community and and that might potentially be on whoever they decide to use for liquor cells if they could use the ambassadors as the labor portion of that they might be able to raise their money that way is that everybody sort of agree with that principle or thought good well where could you sell liquor i thought we couldn't sell liquor i did notice quite a few people brought their own that i i'm not a police officer so um but um there were people you mean we allowed coolers and stuff and people were you know uh clandestine and how they were doing it but i didn't notice that people had brought their own but i thought i thought it was literally there's no opportunity to sell there's not liquor literally not out in the park is that right and council member you are correct okay so um i have a question then though um for mr phelps are you considering the ambassador as an outside vendor or i i don't know how i mean i wasn't trying to define them anyway i was just trying to get clarification when um so i i clearly heard the ambassadors which i think is a separate uh notion but i also heard to say that we should allow other glenn the word was glendale businesses to be able to participate and i just needed definition on are we talking about just anybody within the city that has a business license or are we still trying to drive traffic back into our local merchants it sounds to me what the if i can paraphrase what i've heard the council would like us to explore options with the ambassadors to provide some type of beverage service that could then be donated where the proceeds could be donated back we will certainly have a discussion with them but i am also picking up on the sense that our goal is not to open up street vendors and other things in the park that would take away from food and beverage cells and other activities in our existing businesses and if i've missed heard that then this would be a great time to add clarity i'm sorry if i if i could continue there i i agree with that um i i hope that there's conversations happening um with some of the businesses too about possibly adjusting their hours during this time to take advantage of the of the investment of tax dollars and that the traffic because that was i know that there were some restaurants that did actually establish special hours during live at murphy park and i feel like they benefited greatly because there was not a lot of other opportunity um you know if you close at nine and the and the concert's over at nine obviously you're gonna miss that that traffic of everybody leaving so hopefully those conversations i think it's important to have those conversations of you know you know and let us know we can even help advertise and i know um and i hope we continue with that is we had um uh the guy from black sheep daniel is that his name uh he he was a fantastic mc and try to recruit some of the other business owners or if he wants to do it but having a local business owner like directing people to you know go here and you know and and uh i know so there were suggestions on other people but i think the downtown merchants the ones that are willing to step in front of a microphone i think that was incredibly successful i had people tell me they loved it and he's a really engaging guy so hopefully we're going to continue on with that too and open that opportunity up to other business owners if they want to leanne and other people who have businesses you know to come and say hey i'm going to be open until 11. come over and have a drink so thank you okay so i i need to make one quick statement and then i promise you're next uh this is for our attorney we spoke a few months ago and we haven't pursued it but that's the slicker license or the opportunity for people to consume alcohol or sell alcohol in murphy park i know that there's something over 100 years old somewhere in a deed uh i'd like you to figure out what we have to do to make that problem go away because i just it doesn't make any sense to me in today's environment uh thank you mayor well since you brought up murphy park remember the top of that amphitheater was not part of murphy park there was a road that ran right in front of where city college today if you look at 58 drive that would be a road that cut through what you now call murphy park so i guess that area will become available i think what we did um with live at murphy park was fantastic i heard nothing but good news the mayor and i were down there and people who didn't know what's going on they were surprised the restaurants were packed i i'm pleased with the sales tax dollars collected downtown that is a great sign that the merchants were profiting and doing well and and the more they do the better for everybody and it looks me like it's going to be bigger and better uh just go around so i think we're just moving the right direction and it's exciting and people that went to it they're waiting for it to come back again and bring their friends so i think it's just going to get bigger and better thank you thank you mayor um so to uh mr phelps city manager's comments yeah i think you're spot on and i'm not sure that that's what we meant and i didn't hear that but uh kind of perceived that uh for me just to be clear um i do support the um ambassadors here but not as to compete with those restaurants and bars in downtown who sell alcohol maybe there's some way they can be on certain weekends that won't compete with the businesses and then when i said businesses i meant downtown i think that i feel that for many years these events the ones that we're going away from and the ones we're going to were intended to to help sustain downtown glendale now i don't know how you would exclude others but i want to be clear i was asking that we helped the downtown businesses by extension of premises and other other ways or means that you brought up i just wanted to be clear i mean there's something we can do with the ambassadors who give tons of money away and then also help encourage others maybe in days that they're not there to go dine somewhere where there's alcohol served so just to be clear i know that a byproduct of having the ambassadors there could mean that others won't go to a restaurant to have a beverage rather have it at the park i think both are good so i want to be clean thank you for bringing that up thank you mayor mr milner thank you mayor i would agree with many of the sentiments that have been discussed here today one thing that i would like to clarify is the idea of not having vendors in downtown and i agree with that however is there anything wrong with allowing our downtown merchants to have some sort of booth whether it's in front of their establishment or maybe they establish something right in the park or near the park an unlimited number to kind of advertise their wares advertise their restaurant maybe have some food that they can actually sell and have special permits to do that i think that would add to the entire experience plus it provides the the restaurant uh owners an opportunity to sell as well as promote their business hey come on over after the event and have dinner at our at our restaurant and i i think from what i saw when i was there people don't really understand downtown glendale and know where the things are and they just think it's you know it's a park here and they don't realize the merchants are there on the sides waiting for them to come in and i think that would help promote that i think we should ask the the downtown business association to do that type of thing to actually organize their merchants and do some have some little booths either in front of their own stores or in in the park and i think that would be a plus for everybody and i agree with the having the glendale ambassadors opportunity to uh to sell you know water something that is that he needed during the concert people don't run to the restaurant to get a drink uh this is more there's just water and short-term drinks that they'd want to have thank you all right and so i just want to make certain uh mr bailey do you need a special counsel item of special interest on that or is that sufficient for you mayor and council know and we'll schedule an executive session in two weeks so we can kind of walk you through the challenges all right we like challenges any other questions mayor thank you um yeah i think that the city managers you characterized your thinking on it i think you've captured what i was thinking and i think what the council has been as well i do see that again the ambassadors is an integral part of the community including downtown i'd like to see them considered perhaps on par um and to vice mayor's point about the consumption of alcohol i concur with him that the the restriction on the consumption of alcohol is for the park not for the street not for the business district where city hall now sits um and i think that gives us adequate opportunity to provide up you know provide some alcohol catering or however we might want to look at it on those properties without having the vendor or the or the consumer invade the park proper and i think we could continue for another 100 years keeping the park itself alcohol free as it was intended by the original donor who was a teetotaler himself thank you all right everybody good you need what anything else are you good okay item three i'll be right back council item of special interest regarding amending city code to authorize designation of rental property as a slum property mayor members of the council here to provide staff report be led by both deputy city manager rick st john and our code official mr tim bowling good afternoon mayor members of the council this is information in response to councilman odama's council item of special interest about designating property slum properties the arizona revised statute uh section 33 1901 through 1906 gives cities and towns the authority to designate a rental property as a slum property when it has conditions that are [Music] violate health and safety hazards the there's a list of items right there that's actually in the statute and it's it's about things that are unsafe for the residents and tenants of that apartment complex there's benefits to designating a property of slum property what the city would do is is contact the owner talk to the owner of the property about making the corrections and fix them but if they don't then you can designate the property slum property and that gets recorded with the maricopa county uh recording it with maricopa county clouds the title so that way they wouldn't be able to just sell it to an un unsuspecting buyer the designation also creates a stigma for the property and it encourages property owners to make the corrections that the city has been asking them to do in extreme conditions the court may assign a receiver to take control of the property when they do that the receiver can make the necessary repairs of the property they can use the funds from rents to make those repairs and they can do anything they need to do to make the property in compliance with the exception of selling the property the receiver can also terminate or modify existing lease agreements and sometimes that corrects the problem by getting the um the tenants that that don't comply with the laws out of the property in addition to that the city can file a lien on the property for the expenses if we do go to a maricopa county in court to get a receiver for a property they can use the proceeds from that property for all the repairs but anything in addition to that the city would have to pay for whatever the city pays for we file a lien on the property for that designation also gives the city the authority to perform inspections at any time at the property owner's expense if there is an expense and and the state statute does require that there's a process for the owner to appeal the designation and with that that's the providing the information we'd be happy to prepare a draft ordinance there are other cities that have ordinances of this nature so we have something to go by and i'd be happy to answer any questions good thank you mayor and thank you staff i appreciate you looking into this i believe city of phoenix has done done something similar to this and speaking with a few individuals over there has been very successful this is the tool for the council this is a tool that we've been missing to improve the lives of our citizens and those who coming from outside of our city to live here we can now hold owners accountable and reduce the the blight in our community glendale wide this this stems from the issues the long time issues we've had with it and i'll say it and the owners may not like it but glendale manor has been a mess and it continues to be a mess and our staff has done an excellent job in going out and addressing it but if an owner just hides and we don't have the tool to address it then again they they get away with it and this is going to help our staff address those blights and improve the lives of the people we serve so thank you very much and i know that city of phoenix has been very successful with it and i look forward to hearing from the council on how this can better not only my district but city wide everywhere thank you thank you mayor yes mayor i am totally in support of moving forward on this item i think it will be a benefit for the entire city any other discussion good yes mayor thank you i too am in support of doing this um council member aldama inherited glendale manor from me when it was part of my district and i can remember a time where the water was shut off and it was on the verge of having residents move out being forced to move out because there was a decent water supply so having a tool like this for really egregious properties i think is is an excellent idea any other discussion no okay all right you have a consensus adam four presentation regarding code for keeping bees just recommendation don't i'm sorry was the item introduced number four okay so that's a yes yeah good afternoon mayor members of the council this is uh in response to council member clark's council item a special interest on the keeping of bees and residential properties so just for clarification up front this would be for residentially zoned areas it would not be for commercial or agricultural that is a separate issue that's handled by arizona revised statutes so there are several cities that do have an ordinance that regulates the keeping of bees as a hobby phoenix is one of those cities and there are some provisions here that they have you have to have at least six thousand square feet of vacant area so it doesn't mean that your lot size has to be six thousand square feet you have to have six thousand square feet of vacant area after the footprint of the home and other amenities that might be included in the home are accounted for you have to have 6 000 available square feet there's allowed one hive per 1700 square feet they must be kept at least five feet from the boundary of the lot they must have an adequate water supply and you have to have written permission from surrounding property owners that cannot be revoked for five years so what that means is as a neighbor if i agree to allow you to have bees on your property i cannot revoke that for five years i have to allow you to do it for the five year period of time and that's unique to the phoenix ordinance there's no other ordinance that has that provision every ordinance talks about the adequate water supply which i think makes sense queen creek has an ordinance it's got to be permitted by the city so there's a special permit that you have to apply for through the city again the attic adequate water supply they've increased from five feet which is the city of phoenix from the boundary of the lot to 30 feet i'll say hi to ryan on the air so he knows we can hear him must be kept in a manner that does not uh present a hazard to public health or safety and i think that's an important provision i think if you're going to have an ordinance that regulates the keeping of bees as a hobby that that's really the component you need to pay attention to and then maricopa the city of maricopa has an ordinance uh essentially what it says is they've got to be kept 75 feet from neighboring residences tempe the final city with an ordinance they're not permitted in single-family multi-family districts so my guess is that on larger lot sizes are zoned r3 perhaps and then in certainly agricultural areas they would allow it must be at least 200 feet from an existing dwelling or another property or i'm sorry an existing dwelling on another property 50 feet from the boundary of the lot and 150 feet from mini street or bridal path so what staff would recommend for this council's consideration is an ordinance that would include the following it would require an adequate water supply as we talked about every ordinance talks about that and i think it makes sense limit the number of hives based on available lot space go with the available lot space 6 000 square feet of available area and one hive per 1700 square feet which is essentially the phoenix ordnance distance requirements i i think five feet which is what phoenix has is too close to the boundaries of the lot i prefer the 50 foot from the boundary of the lot i think it provides a better protection to neighboring residences and people on those residences and then 200 feet from any existing dwelling on a neighboring property and they must be manner that does not present a public health or safety issue for people that live in that neighborhood so again i'll leave this slide up so that council has an opportunity to ask questions on these specifics but we are seeking consensus today on whether the city of glendale should have an ordinance on the keeping of bees and residential properties and if so what what language should be included in that ordinance okay a couple questions i have one is we don't have any ordinance which means people can do it right now because we don't control it mayor that is correct okay so with that mayor excuse me i'm being corrected by my code official mayor uh right now to keeping a bees you have to have agricultural zoning a1 it's a permitted use in a1 or a2 so right now it's not permitted in residential however we do have some conforming uses uh and i think that may have spurred the request okay so that that was the first question the second question is i don't like the five foot uh i don't know if people remember several years ago i was swarmed and stung 20 something times from my for my neighbor not officially keeping bees but yeah she was keeping bees and and she'd been told about it multiple times and i was concerned that my grandsons or my dogs would would get stung i'm the one that ended up getting it um and and that literally was about uh 14 15 feet from where i was at to where they were staying so i'm not comfortable with the five feet at all i think it needs to be more than that it's my biggest concern and then i don't know if there's any way in the world that we can come back and in this have some way that if people find a hive whether it's on purpose or not that the owners are responsible and they have to take care of that even if they don't want them there or the neighbors see that maybe there's a hive that's not supposed to be in a wall or something i think we need to address that also in this yes thank you mayor i brought this up because i'm going to relate a specific situation that occurred that that prompted me to bring this forward there is a person non-conforming who has about two acres and this person planted probably in the neighborhood of 30 to 50 hives on the back property line which is fine if there was nobody living there but there is a residential subdivision directly behind this person's property and their backyards are probably the regulation 20 feet this past summer i know of at least three people that were stung that had to go to er for anaphylactic shock one person had to go three times uh because of this person's beekeeping activities and i think it is in a in a in a dense area it is an issue of public health and safety so i would hope that council would would be comfortable with the suggestions that have been proposed by mr st john and move forward with this item of interest thank you mayor thank you mayor um i'm a little curious why um we didn't include that we need to notif either notification or phoenix requires permission from surrounding property owners just because i would think that if you have people who have allergic to bee stings and things like that that i would want to know if my neighbor was keeping bees in their backyard so i i don't i i make complicates things i don't know whether then if you do if you have the written permission then you need to have a permit i don't care if the permit is five dollars i mean just that we make sure that they are dotting their eyes and crossing their t's and that the neighbors are aware that they're somebody's going to be keeping bees next door or behind them or whatever um and that way they know if they want to if there's a way for them to object saying i have a child who's allergic to bees and i'm now i can't let them play in the backyard so i mean i i'm all for property rights i mean i really do believe in property rights but it's a right that doesn't exist right now literally except you're unless you're zoned agriculture so if somebody's in a regular just you know residential cookie cutter neighborhood and has you know can meet the other criteria of spacing that i feel like they they should either have permission or at least notification um i would prefer permission i don't know whether how everybody else feels about it of the neighbors because i mean people could die from a beast thing so not letting the neighbors know that we're allowing this i think is i feel like that could be problematic thank you anybody else yeah well i'll go back to you in just a second uh if if we go with the proposed that really limits i mean really truly limits a lot of people that could do this uh which i think is pretty much what the idea is um you know the 50 feet from a boundary that probably would have kept me from being stung uh the 200 feet from any existing dwelling absolutely would have prevented that from ever happening uh no doubt and i noticed that our attorney cringed when i said if people have hives on a property even if they if they're not theirs i i still think we need to figure out a way to to deal with that mayor and council i wasn't cringing the example that you're giving is actually already the nuisance under our code and we would enforce that so if somebody for whatever reason unbeknownst to them and they were identified as harboring let's say a bee's nest in their shed then we could cite them for a nuisance but this is directed at actual people who are keeping bees to produce honey so just a little different nuance okay well if there's a way that we can do something about it that's that's before i was led to believe that we we had no say so over there so that's fine we do that's fine okay yes you and then you're not i don't know if i would go as as far as to require permission of a budding or adjoining neighbors but i i think that there should be a notification provision that we at least let them know that that there is a person keeping bees um at such and such a property then then if it becomes an issue they know where where to go and who to contact thank you mayor um this is a very interesting i'm glad it came out because bees are very beneficial we know that uh changes the way we live without them but but again they can be very dangerous um with regard to the notification i i i support that um question is there are homes that that their backyards but up against a school yard or a park how would we address that if they met everything but yet their backyard was adjacent to a park or to a school the notification would definitely help but how would we address that mayor councilmember aldum i think the question would have to come up in terms of of the public health and safety and we'd have to make an assessment on whether allowing a property adjacent to a school for example that might have several children playing in the playground of varying different allergies and and dangers whether we would allow the beekeeping as a hobby on that property because of the proximity to the school i think that would be the provision that we would go to thank you if we can do something like that i would be definitely supportive of an ordinance that manages and controls it the question though obviously everybody needs to have water but every ordinance has written that they need to have sufficient water what does that mean how much water do you need for a box or 10 boxes is it a open container is it flowing water can you explain i know nothing about beekeeping mayor members members of council council member al diama i don't either so just in reading the ordinance it was a provision that everybody had in there and so i figured at some point and on the commercial side of of keeping of bees and producing what bees produce there that must be an issue it must be a consideration and so we'd have to do a little more research into how we would determine whether they had an adequate water supply what does that mean so if you have three hives you have to have x flow of gallons per minute or is it something different i i wouldn't even begin to know and think and the reason why i'm asking is because if that whatever that means if it means that the water is going to stay stagnant now we may have an issue with with mosquitoes so i don't know anything about it i just thought i'd ask if you look into it but the schools in the parks was was a concern thank you i think what it really what it really comes down to is if you don't have water they will find water they're not they're going to go into the neighbor's yard and that's that's the problem if they make that into a freeway if they have a pole and you don't they're not even going to stand in your property well correct so so i think that's really the the main reason just make sure that they stay on in or close to that property thank you mayor so um how do we without having somebody come in and get a permit and like i said for a very nominal fee just so we know as a city that that somebody has bees um and then they and then once they get the permit they can be given these otherwise they're just gonna be like well i'm getting b's i mean i heard glendale's allowing b's now so i'm getting b's and not even know what our ordinance says so i don't know whether we want to consider literally like a five dollar permit or something saying because otherwise how are they going to know what's required i'm not sure how how we how we get that information unless we say you can have bees you got to come in and get a permit and here are our rules for if you want to have bees yeah mayor remember uh council member tom chaff it makes sense but before before i go to council member clark did anybody check uh ag laws in the state of arizona as far as what we can and can't do so i mean i i know that um i did okay you want to talk about that yeah uh there's nothing there i did i don't know well then legislators are sleeping now because they got lies on i did search arizona revised statutes for bees and beekeeping and i couldn't find anything they're the only regulations that i found were dealt with commercial keeping a beast for commercial purposes yeah i i think i think all of us probably agree the fact that there's got to be a way that this city knows who's doing it and the neighbors should certainly know that they're doing it and then there should be a contact person in case something happens uh you know where we have a way to get a hold of them everybody sort of agree on that yeah yeah i mean i do agree with uh just some i mean there are some people who will be oblivious and never know they need a permit but a lot but the majority of people will figure it out and come in and get and if it's five bucks that's that's fine we don't want to be prohibitive we want to encourage people to come forward but i wanted to speak to your adequate water supply with which i have personal knowledge there's someone who is keeping bees in my neighborhood i don't know where i don't know how far bees can travel daily uh yeah i have a koi pond i kid you not that on any given summer day there are at least a hundred bees traveling to and from wherever they're living getting water from my koi pond someone in my area is keeping bees and does not have an adequate water supply i can't use i can't do any work around the pond i do very little during the summer time because i'm afraid that i'm going to get stung so i wonder i wonder if people with pools ever have bees visiting their pools so i think adequate water supply is is critical yeah well i do know that dirt daubers and wasp uh swimming pools and things like that but they're they're definitely not honey bees all right any other questions mayor who's asking god oh this is councilmember turner i think i don't know that we came to any kind of agreement on the notification or permission from the neighbor situation and given that the boundaries here are 50 foot from the back of the lot so that means the lot would at a bare minimum have to be a hundred and you know four feet wide to be able to put the box down the middle i guess but and that would rule out a lot of our neighborhoods but you know 100 foot wide lots are still around and you're not going to have many neighbors in those size neighborhoods so i don't think it would be too big a burden to expect to have the permission of your neighbor maybe up if the overall lot size is below a certain level you know if you've got a five acre lot i don't know that you necessarily need to is you know but i i'm concerned with the health aspect of people being unaware that there may be a risk right over the fence or the wall that they're not they wouldn't normally expect thank you all right and that sort of makes me also think of the problem with asking for someone's permission if maybe your dog was barking the night before and kept him up all night long you may never get that permission i i don't know as though i like the idea of going to all the neighbors and asking for permission but i certainly believe that they should all be notified what's going on as long as all these other provisions are happening and 50 feet from a fence i don't see a concern myself mayor what about if we decide i think there would seem like there is a consensus to require a permanent permit for a nominal fee so what if we based on the permits created database and then people can look for themselves to see if somebody in their neighborhood is keeping bees that might be a way to you know i like i still like the notification all right you mayor i do like the notification i just don't think that neighbors should have to get permission yeah i agree i think the notification is sufficient and i don't know who to ask this question to but what what is what is the cheapest permit that we have on anything in the state here in the city of glendale anybody have a clue they are members of the council i would guess free okay the one more expensive than free i mean five dollars doesn't seem like it's worthwhile for i i can't think of anything the city does for five dollars we're in council i believe by i believe it's 50 is what typically like our like our fees are generally around that area fifty dollars yeah i i would be more inclined to think 25 or something but five dollars doesn't even seem worth i mean that's why we quit gus the bus we quit charging the 25 cents it costs more to count the quarters i think it should be minimum 25 personally all right any other conversation what else do you need from us so mayor remembers the council if i can clarify the language that i have on the slideshow right now is the language we'll include along with the permitting and notification requirement and we'll set the permitting fee at 25 is there consensus for that okay and how long is a permit good for as long as they keep the bees okay one time deal mayor members council that's what i understood but i was waiting to hear the comments totally good with that okay i just i need one clarification before you verbally added in regards to the 200 feet from an existing dwelling you verbally add it on a neighboring property so you will and that's how i would accept it so you would add that into the final draft mayor councilmember turner yes not from their own house but from a neighbor's neighboring dwelling correct thank you mayor yes will this be part of the criminal or the nuisance code so that we can actually use it mayor councilmember clark it'll be part of chapter 25 yes thank you all right you good yes sir okay everybody good next request for city council to amend glendale city code chapter 26 regarding criminal littering mayor members of council again here to provide the staff report will be deputy city manager rick st john mayor members of the council this is a recommendation from the code review committee currently criminal littering is managed in arizona revised statute this is a request and it is criminal i should add that so currently any littering of any size and that's how arizona revised statute is designated so less than 100 pounds more than 100 pounds different classes of misdemeanor if we add it to our city code we can make violations of criminal lettering it would actually a violation of civil littering if you will so it'd be a civil offense for first offense second offense and then a third or subsequent offense in a 12-month period could be criminal although that's how we've done it in the past with some other codes that we've amended this however would make it a civil offense any person who commits criminal lettering of less than 100 pounds would be considered a civil offense for a first offense any subsequent offenses in a 12-month period be treated as a class 2 misdemeanor anything over 100 pounds will be handled by the arizona vice statute and with that i'm happy to answer any questions you may have mayor good i support it thank you don't see any other questions all right item six statutory publication requirements okay good afternoon mayor and council there are statutory requirements that the city publish its legal notices in a paper that is printed and published either in the city or in the county the city has become aware that the glendale star the city's current official newspaper is printed in yavapai county and does not meet the statutory requirement the city needs to find a new official newspaper and there are other weekly papers printed and published in maricopa county that will meet the statutory requirement however there will be an increase in publication cost staff would like council direction regarding the criteria for selecting a paper should the main consideration be circulation to glendale households and if so staff would recommend the weekly insert in the arizona republic based on its circulation it would reach the most households in the city staff would also like direction on whether council wants to continue the practice of publishing all adopted resolutions to offset the increased publication costs with a new newspaper the city could stop publishing all of its resolutions there is no legal requirement to do so and our survey of some of the valley's largest cities including mesa chandler scottsdale peoria and surprise found that none of these cities publish all of their resolutions the city spends over three thousand dollars each year publishing resolutions and that cost will increase with the selection of a new official newspaper also the resolutions are available online for the public on our clerk's web page and so staff recommends publishing only resolutions that have legal requirement to do so so again staff is seeking council direction on the selection factors for the new official newspaper and the continued publication of all resolutions that concludes my presentation okay thank you uh so uh i guess before i get cranking on this uh i again gonna bring up something else that i have pushed for not very hard the last few years and this can be from mr lee that we take a position that we quit spending money on this and try to get to where we can just go electronic only the problem is is there's been too many people too weak to challenge the newspapers on this i think we need to take a position push it to the league of cities to try to get their their endorsement because this is happening everywhere and it doesn't make any sense when everybody's going electronic and yet we're still spending money on paper it just doesn't make sense to me so that's that's something i would really like to do but i would encourage the capitol times myself because of the cost but thank you mayor i would just say that i mean i understand from the from the um journalism and the newspaper industry perspective that it's a this is a source of revenue and that if everybody went online i would imagine they would charge for that as well so i don't know if we'd be accomplishing anything because they they they'd have to replace the revenue stream somewhere so um i agree the capital times is fine and the resolutions i mean i didn't even know we were i really realized we were still doing that and now with the ability of people to you know find the meetings on facebook and you know i mean i and they can find i mean you can go to the meeting that the resolution was adopted at and find you know maybe we should make a video on showing people how to find things on you know on on like how how would you look and start doing tutorials and and even more encourage residents to they you can find just about anything on the city website um but i don't see any i honestly don't see any reason to continue publishing resolutions we adopt them in public they're posted in public meetings and i wouldn't object to somebody making a video showing people how here's how you find um you know a resolution here's how you find minutes from a voting meeting here's how you can watch a video from a voting meeting and little tutorials people love videos anyway so it would i think up our online content of videos of things which is a good thing anyway so that's kind of where i'm at i think we stop with the resolutions and go with the capital times thank you mayor i i think we should stop with the resolutions too and go with the capitol times but i think the videos tutorials are a smashing idea and and we should be using them all the time for all kinds of things because you're right a lot of people not a lot of people but some people still have trouble navigating the city site i also like the mayor's idea of go creating something before the league and getting the league to support it i and and you're right we have been reluctant to stop publication in print but i think there was a good reason at the time for a long time the glendale star was where we published and it was locally owned and and so we supported our local homegrown paper but it is no longer locally owned it's owned by a major company at this point and so the compulsion to support a local business is no longer there and i i would very much like to see all city notices and all government notices go digital thank you mayor any other comments but i would agree with the sentiments that had been expressed the question i had is is why isn't the glendale star not listed on our list i think they're not published they're in council out of peoria they're no longer legally compliant as a newspaper that's why we're here oh okay i didn't catch that thank you well thank you mayor um a few things the the purpose of these public notices is to give advance notice to what's being considered by the council and some of our resolutions do provide advance notice for a general plan amendment or things like that they're not they're distinctly different than our proclamations for you know national beekeepers week or something like that but you know those i don't think we would need to publish but i'm i'm concerned about not publishing all of our resolutions so i don't know if a resolution regarding a zoning or a general plan amendment has the effect of an ordinance and it would have to be published or whatever mayor yeah mayor and council councilmember turner to ms bauer's point we there are some resolutions that have to be and there generally a resolution is post-action of the council it's notice that what notice of something we've done it's not noticed that we're going to be doing something so it's post-action um so to your point where to provide notice now it's literally the only purpose that it serves is post action of the council we're now posting it for the public to see this is the action that we have taken and so for the most part i'll give you just some plain examples we can go into greater detail if necessary later i can get it to you separately but there are some land use actions that require statutorily a resolution however as a practice for the city we will enter into contracts and utilize a resolution and we'll still publish that resolution we don't need to do that but for the stuff that's mandated statutory we will still do it there's not a lot of those there's a lot more that are non-statutory but as a matter of practice we've done it historically so there will be a fair amount of cost savings if we just go to those that are mandated statutorily but also then to the point of it's usually post-action not uh pre-action when you're talking about pre-action that's a different question with regards to land use notices and that sort of thing so mayor if i could for clarification we do have things that we advertise in advance of the action is that not right so that that's those are legal advertisements that we would be talking about mayor and council again that's separate from resolution that would be a legal advertisement for let's say yeah for a public hearing so those we notice in advance right so for example a land use action that has a requirement of a public hearing yes we do that we're required to do that in advance okay so again to my point that a lot of if probably maybe even most of what we're posting is to notice the public ahead of time so they will be aware be aware and can share their concerns with the council um given that the cost that we've been spending on this and if we reduce the not necessary resolutions it's still only going to be three to four thousand dollars a year i think that publishing them somewhere hard copy is useful it's at least for another generation you know because not everybody is online and i think we still have a lot of people who are that hard copy newspaper type reader it seems to me that the it seems to me that the staff recommendation was to utilize the arizona republic did i miss the conversation that we began talking about the capitol times i would prefer that we stay with the arizona republic because they do have a glendale section that comes out three times a week that would give us more flexibility perhaps in meeting deadlines and things like that but also because it arrives local and it's available in free newsstands as well it doesn't have to be by subscription you can pick it up you know in a in many newsstands around the city and also for those who might want to have it electronically an electronic subscription to the arizona republic is ten dollars a month whereas a subscription to the capitol times or i thought on the others mentioned is significantly more expensive so i would like to see it stay with the arizona or move to the arizona republic i i believe that the electronic is the way we need to move to however i do uh agree with councilman turner regarding uh the arizona republic but i disagree with publishing all i think if if we if we reduce the publishing down to the required and we go with the republic the cost would probably be very similar to what we're doing now or maybe a little bit more uh but it would i think for those who do require a written and again my my point is i believe everyone's getting away from the written newspaper as far as it's it's it's electronic it's extremely available uh i don't know if down the road you know we we do agree with the mayor we should petition the league of cities and towns to kind of take this issue up uh because i believe there are a lot of other ways you know it's kind of like when there's a a variance that's being considered for a neighborhood you can get put on a list and that list you you get that mailed out to you but we could do it electronically we could if there's people that want to know every resolution you know i i don't think it'd be difficult for us to set up a system that just sends it out automatically to everybody that really wants it and that way those who want it get it and if they don't want it uh then you know there's no no need to sign up so i think there's a lot of different ways to do it but in the meantime until we get to that point i would agree that a more wider distribution even though i like the idea that arizona capitol times i mean look at the quantity of 3 200 people or deliveries um i don't know if that is that within glendale i assume that's that's just that's their total circulation okay and so it just it just doesn't make sense to go with something even though it saves us a little money that really nobody's gonna see thank you nobody reads any of them anyway that's the problem mr bailey i don't know if you've read arizona statutes on this item or not but would we be would we be breaking a law if we posted with the republic for all notices go on glendale's website i mean is there a way that you could put in a very you can't do that i'll need to take a look but my recollection is no you actually need to publish the notice because keep in mind there's two generally there's two requirements one is that we posted at city hall and so then we also were required to post it online and then that that same posting is what we have to then have published in the newspaper we can't just put a byline in there saying go see www.glendaleasy.com that we cannot do actually has to be a publishing of the item so and that's the problem is that the size in terms of especially land use items the size of what is being um published is fairly large and it usually doesn't fall within their columns so you're you're you're taking more than just a column or two columns it's sometimes you're taking the half page of a newspaper yeah well and the reading i ask that is is watch any any tv commercial that a doctor or dentist or a prescription or a cigarette or any of those and you'll see the disclaimers that i dare anybody to read without hitting pause it's impossible and if you try to listen to a radio announcement on the disclaimers unless you're a speed hearer you'll never understand a word and so i don't i don't know how our laws can get so twisted but i guess it's because they got good attorneys on both sides to fight it again i think our answer is right now you know bite the bullet pay the money even though we don't want to but work as hard as we can to get other cities to go along with us to make it legal for people to go just on our website to get that information if you want information on glendale where else would you go why would you go to a newspaper when you go to its own website that it just makes sense and it's hard for anybody to argue why we wouldn't do that other than newspapers that make their revenues from that any other comment okay so i guess what we have to decide is what newspaper i've heard a couple that said capitol times i've heard a couple that said republic so i'm not sure where we're at on that right i think the arizona republic i mean and i didn't realize that um i read this over the weekend and forgot that the staff recommended arizona republic and i mean the circulation numbers are you know i mean if we're gonna if we're gonna provide notice we should go with the larger circulation number so and they do have as councilman turner said that glendale section where people would look for that information too so i'm i'm ready to change my mind from the capitol times to the arizona republic mayor i too am going to support the republic rather than the capitol times for the very reasons that have been stated um to this day we're still getting the print newspaper i i don't want it but we get it every day so yeah arizona republic okay so you have a consensus on the arizona republic anything else the resolutions was there consensus to i don't i don't know as though there was a consensus to keep the resolution was there stop okay so just the required legally required resolution other than what you have to legally do that correct yeah okay good good thank you okay city manager report members of council i've got three quick items for you the first just want to give an update on a council priority project on a capital side and that's regarding the the grand ramadas at the soil ranch park and so that restoration is coming along well it's on schedule and it's staying on budget currently electrical plumbing structural repairs and painting are nearing completion pigeon netting picnic table tops and benches are being installed as we speak and the remodels are slated to be 100 back in service this fall and so we'll let you know for sure when it's done but that project is coming along nicely and again this is a was a project that the council had prioritized mentioned earlier in our workshop about all the activity happening in the loop 303 area u.s capital development which is a huge company out of the midwest is doing their first arizona project here in glendale and so they are nearing completion of a 600 000 square foot facility it's the first of several buildings i'll be building and this is down on the loop 303 area uh just a little bit off of camelback road and 152nd avenue so that continues to go really well we've received great feedback from their project team complimenting glendale how hard our team has worked to help get this project moving forward and the final thing if you'll take a look at your monitor uh we'll be sending you out a link here this afternoon but we now have a live camera shot of the crystal lagoon project so what you're seeing here right now is a live shot you can zoom it in so you can move the camera around a little bit you can start to see you've got vertical columns and platforms elevating that's work on the right there is the is the uh east tower for the hotel um and so this is moving along fine eventually they're going to be taking and capturing shots each week and then when you see the play button up on the top right hand corner they'll actually be able to do a time lapse and show the project coming together so we're real excited about that we'll get you that link out to you here this afternoon so you can share that with your citizens also just for your own personal curiosity and with that that completes my report and that's just that's going to be just a a one photo per week i'm not sure how the time lapse will work a hundred percent but it's designed to kind of be able to show you a project building out i can get that information hopefully they do it every day yeah if they could make it huh yeah i think every day would be awesome but no that's great that's awesome i don't know who thought of that but kudos to the attorneys report no report thank you okay council item special interest uh everybody knows how this works mr aldama not this time mayor thank you miss clerk yes mayor i do have one um i've had my council assistant researching this issue for several months and i am proposing and i have provided you with some material for your review um i am proposing that the city investigate the creation of a special overlay district that would be used to protect marginalized and disadvantaged neighborhoods throughout the city this is something near and dear to my heart in terms of how do we protect existing neighborhoods and this might be part of the solution so uh i offer that in that spirit today thank you okay councilmember milner uh nothing today mayor tom chopper yes mayor i do have one i'd like to i guess essentially resurrect the um residential trash and recycling survey uh results uh that was a item of interest of council member mullners and i i knew we got a memo so i went back and found it and the memo was from december 30th of 2020 and it said basically gave us an overview of the results of the um the survey that was done and that they would be brought back to a workshop for council consideration for policy on um recycling fees and i i know i've seen in the upcoming agenda that we are going to be talking about solid waste rates so i don't know whether that's planned to be part of that discussion but i'm asking that that be part of that discussion or brought back in in tandem with the discussion about a policy moving forward recycling whether we're going to establish a fee or what we're going to do about recycling thank you dr turner nothing today mayor vice mayor nothing mayor okay and uh other than the two items that i've already brought up during this meeting i have nothing else can i get a motion to go into executive session so mayor moved hold on right here point of order sir yeah i uh want to bring up uh really quick the item of interest by council member clark um i spoke miss clark when she uh dropped this this document on the deus i asked her the question if it encompassed my district and she replied yes it does um this i asked her she would meet with me she replied no it violates and crosses the council guidelines i'm asking councilmember clark if she'll meet with me so that uh she can uh share with me her ideas in my district because this her item of interest is specifically in the ocotillo district uh and i'd i'd like to ask councilmember clark again to meet with me as this crosses the line on council member ethics and it's written in policy thank you mayor mayor i would like to respond um when you asked me originally if it applied to your district yes but it doesn't apply just to your district it applies to any marginalized neighborhoods within the city of glendale and i should have clarified that when you asked me the question i don't believe it's relegated just to your district and i don't feel the need to meet with you uh regarding an issue that i consider to be citywide all right gonna get a motion to go into the executive session i have a motion from councilmember type of councilmember thomas go into executive session any discussion on emotion hearing none all in favorable day hi hi hey neighbors you guys have it you have it yes okay we're staying here we're staying right here yeah we're gonna have everybody else we're going right back there what no no we're staying out here let's we have let's back up yeah okay so to clarify uh it was brought to my attention that the room being the size there was some concern without a filtration system that it might be too small so i thought if we just have it right here and ask the non-essential people to leave we can accomplish the same thing just carry the food out everybody go back get your food and bring it back out here until we figure out the filtration system go get your food and come back out here go use the restroom whatever you need to do do we have to use the restroom you