All right, welcome to the Mountain City Council meeting. It's uh Tuesday, January 13th. We're in uh the council chambers. Can we rise for the pledge of allegiance? >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right, we have our agenda. Does anybody have any to add to that? >> No changes here. >> No. Okay. Uh, can I get a motion to approve the agenda? >> I'd like to make a motion to approve the agenda. >> All right. Can I get a second? >> Second. >> Any other discussion? All those in favor, please say I. I. >> I. Those opposed. >> All right, that passes. Uh, and now we're going to go to public comments. If anybody wants to make public comment, come on up. Y, >> welcome. Just give us your name and address and you got three minutes. >> Hi, council. Uh, Tyler Piper. Hi, everyone. Uh, 5504 Church Road. Just wanted to make this very brief, not really a comment to the council, but just in general. I work in Minneapolis and have been kind of privy to some of the ICE action. So, I just wanted to say that as a resident of this state, I'm just kind of uh abhoring the current state of treading on our fourth and first amendment. So, just wanted to be a uh citizen of mount to put that on the record. Thank you. All right. Thank you. >> Anybody else? All right. Hearing none, we're going to go to our presentation section. So, Orno Police, you want to come up and you give us an update on activity in Mound? Welcome. >> Evening, Mayor, City Council. Uh going through the December activity report uh for Mound. We had 99 calls for service in mound for month of December. Uh mostly they're nothing out of the ordinary that we handle. Uh some theft reports, some it's a hodge podge there. Some swindles, some scams, some um issues that were more likely uh transaction over um the internet issues. So uh that's been h being handled. We had a quite a few medicals I I see and then a few more welfare checks than we normally handle. Um, and then some assisting other agencies in mental health calls. So, that was kind of the the the brief overview of uh our activities. Nothing was really uh stood out and nothing really caught my eye when I went through them all. So, >> um other than that, we do have new officers starting now in the the week of January 26. That'll be our next uh hire hire coming on. Um he's coming to us from Weisetta. He was a cso for Weisetta. So, he'll be starting with us um right around the 26th. He should be on uh we have one on FTO yet. Hopefully, he should be finishing up here within soon and getting out on solo patrol. So, we'll be able to fill that position and then we have two more being backgrounded looking to start them um mid to later February and one in April. So, that's the only reason for that is to not burden our FTO's. We have a we have only like five or six FTO's and we got three starting and it's quite a uh a heavy process for them to get through all the trainings they need. Um, just want to remind the mound citizens, uh, remember, keep the cars off the street at night so that the plows can, we've been doing our best to get out there and keep them clear and notify people if we can just to get them to move them off the street. But, uh, in order to get from curb to curb, we need the cars removed. Uh uh the chief's been up being briefed regularly on the situation in Minneapolis and I'm sure uh mayor you've got the report on that. Uh but currently uh the situation is just being monitored. MPD, Henipin County Sheriff's Office and other state agencies and 100 plus uh National Guard MPs are monitoring and taking care of that situation. As far as Arnold PD, um unless other officers are in danger in Minneapolis, we are going to stay around our communities and serve our community to keep them safe. We may end up helping and assisting adjacent agencies that may require some help because they may have some targets in their area. But on that, we we're going to stay local and make sure we take care of our area. Mhm. >> Uh and then just we uh are still looking for we're still out, you know, getting ready for our polar plunge on January 31st, I believe. >> Yeah. >> Yes. And just looking for uh participants or donations. That's what we're still working on there. And then we're also just gearing up for our year of training and our year of community events coming. >> So, >> is Chief Varnia jumping again with his family? >> I I don't know. I'd assume you would. >> Are you? >> No. >> No, I'm not. I'm not a cold weather guy. So, but no. Yeah, we're looking forward to that's always been fun. So, >> any questions? Any council >> have any questions? >> All right. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thanks. >> Thank you. >> All right. The fun stuff. Uh we got mayor for the day uh presentation. So, um, since you showed up first, Gwen, do you want to come up? Um, and what we did here is, uh, the your principal, um, emailed, uh, the top three mayor for the day essays in your whole class, I guess, or grade, right? >> Yeah. >> Um, so, congrats first of all, on that. Um, and, uh, >> uh, I can't remember his name now. Have it here somewhere. Weston uh is not able to be here tonight, so we'll try to figure something out for that him. But I appreciate you coming out and if you want to give us your what you would do if you were the mayor. >> Okay. Have you ever thought of having a kid as a mayor for a day? You probably haven't and that's okay. But if you ever come around to it, vote for me. To start off, I think that a good mayor is kind, considerate, and has good judgment. People vote for these kinds of people to be mayor to run the town for them. I think that a mayor should be helping in all ways possible, including making the community better happy, hearing them out, and making sure their ideas come to life. I think a mayor's day-to-day life is simple but complex. My life is also simple but complex. I think I have very similar traits that make up a good mayor. If I were a mayor, I would start plans for an indoor outdoor swimming pool and water park somewhere in Mount. This would make people happy, which is one of the things that makes a good mayor. The people would be happy to enjoy their time either indoor or outdoor and it would bring people in town. I know that it would be hard to get funding for it, but in the end it would be worth it. You could also charge an entrance fee to get in and for and or for certain rides to make a profit off of it. You may think right now it's probably not a good deal good idea to have kid mayor even for a day because they would just do fun stuff for the town. Nothing that act that actually matters. Well, I'm not going to be that way because I would like to do two more things that actually help the community. My next idea is to prove improve the town to improve the town is to do something about the water quality. My thoughts on improving the water quality is to provide filtered water to people or provide filters for the water. This would make people more confident in living here and knowing that they wouldn't get sick from drinking the water. The individuals would also not be paying for bad quality water anymore. My one last thought and idea I would make come to life while being mayor would be to put some public restrooms and drinking fountains in the general area of parks and beaches. I remember a couple of year years ago I was at a park and I needed some water because I had just played tag and there were no water fountains near the park. So we had to go all the way back home and get some. By the time we were ready to go back, we all didn't really want to anymore. What I'm trying to say is that if you have public water fountains and restrooms near parks, kids won't have to stop all their fun to go home and get a drink or go to the bathroom and then come all the way back to resume. This would also be a huge convenience to parents, too. I would also make sure that the restrooms and water fountains are are clean and safe to use. >> Good. Appreciate it. >> All right, Talia, are you ready? Do you think you have what it takes to be a mayor? I think I do. A mayor's job is to keep the city running smoothly for the people living in it. A mayor has to think of the safety of the people living inside of it. For example, crosswalks and sidewalks are a safety issue in some states. The mayors have to step in to make us feel safer. Being a mayor would probably mean a lot of meetings. I think that I would be able to handle that. If I were a mayor, I would add more roundabouts instead of stop lights. Stop lights are designed to slow down traffic so that it's safer. A roundabout is better because everyone is moving and not at a fast pace, but not at a slow pace. A roundabout helps traffic to run smoother and faster. Roundabouts are also safe that safer than stop lights. In stop lights, people can run a red light and possibly get in a crash. In a roundabout, everyone can go and at their own time. If I were a mayor, I would also have a station close to a sidewalks with water bowls for dogs. To unlock the water bowls, which would be secured, you would have to pay a quarter. Dogs would not be thirsty. So, owners wouldn't have to bring their dogs home for water. They could just get water on their walk. This would also be a chance for the town to get money since a lot of people walk their dogs. Even if it's little money, every coin counts. The final thing I would do if I were mayor for the day is I would put speed bumps around the crosswalks so that when people are crossing in the crosswalks the cars would have to slow down and or stop. The people would be safer because the cars would have to slow down before the crosswalks so do so they do not hit the speed bumps. People are else already supposed to stop before a crosswalk but I've been seeing some people run cross crosswalks and can accidentally hit pedestrians. In summary, I think I would make a great mayor for the day because I think of the dangers of the roads and how we can change that. Sometimes it can feel unsafe to cross on a crosswalk when people are speeding by. My thoughts can help people mentally mentally and physically feel safe. Roundabouts help so that everyone can move safely at one time without bumping into each other. Stop lights just slow you down and you and can be frustrating. You won't want your dog to be thirsty, do you? I don't. Dogs need water and they don't usually get them on their walks. This station will be helpful for not only the dog walkers but also the town. It's a win-win. Dogs get water while the town get money. >> Awesome. Thank you. >> Can you give us your name? What is your name? >> Talia. >> Thank you, Talia. >> So, we had a 4-hour workshop yesterday, the five well the five of us. And uh well, some of this came up, I guess. Uh the water, we're working on that. So we are and actually the reason why they're turned off at the parks is because has maganesees in it. So we can't we can't let it go uh until we filter it. So we are working on that. Um and the crosswalks I will say I that's one of the first things I ran on is that I wanted to put in that crosswalk you know over by Caribou where you come in there through downtown you know now you can press the button and you can get the the nice uh flashing lights and whatnot. So, um, but yeah, more more to come hopefully with with some of your ideas there. So, we appreciate you coming out and saying that. So, I do have a certificate for both of you guys. And if you would be so kind if you want to do a picture, >> Jason, watch me. a little bit. >> Yeah. >> One, two, three. >> Perfect. Thank you. >> Just go like this. >> Yeah. stick around and you guys are good readers. Thanks. >> Thank you. >> That crosswalk was a good deal. >> Thank you. >> Very dangerous for me. >> It was. Yeah. Appreciate it. >> All right. Next up, we got our consent agenda. Um, does anybody have anything that they want to talk about from there? >> All right. Um, can I get a motion to approve the consent agenda? >> Motion to approve. >> Can I get a second? >> A second. >> Okay. Roll call, please. >> Council member Heric. >> I. >> Council member Mcanini. >> I. >> Council member Costellano. >> I. >> Mayor Holt. >> I. All right. All that passes. So, if you're here for anything on the list there, it has passed. >> All right. Thank you. >> Number seven. We don't have any public hearings. No old business. Uh, new business. >> Wait a minute. Are we not reading the consent agenda? >> Oh, sorry. We just changed our agenda. So, I'm kind of new to this. We just approved all that. >> I was wondering the same thing, but I just figured I was out of a loop. So, >> well, I mean, for transparency, I feel like we still need to read the agenda. >> Go ahead and read it. So, but we usually do >> just since we're talking about it now, I mean, don't we usually read them and then approve or is it a >> Yes. Yes. >> We usually itemize it and then approve it >> or talk about it and then I said, "Yeah, does someone want to go through it?" They usually read it. Yeah. Sorry. >> I mean, the reason we read it is because prior we didn't read it and there was no transparency. So, >> yeah. Well, it can be read now and then the minutes can be adjusted. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> We don't need to reapprove. >> No. Okay. Amen. >> All right. There's a lot of them. Who wants to read it? I can read it. >> Okay. >> A motion to approve a minutes of the December 9th, 2025 city council regular meeting. B approve payment of claims. C approve resolution 2601 approving acting mayor for 2026. Um D. Approve resolution 2602 appointing city council members as representatives of the city council and committees and commissions for 2026. Approve resolution 2603. Appoint deputy city manager Leila Im IMA as the acting city manager for 2026. F approve resolution 2604. Appoint field officer Andrew Drilling as assistant weed inspector. G. Approve resolution 2605, designation of the official depositories for 2026. H. Approve resolution 2606, designation of the Laker as the official 2026 newspaper. I approve resolution 2607. Um, approve the selection to not wave the statutory tort limits for liability insurance purposes. J. Approve resolution 2608 public lands permit for 4801 Island View Drive for improvement in Devon Lane Row and Devon Commons. K. Approve resolution 2609 sale of general obligation bond series 20 uh 26 AI. I approve 2026 commercial kennel license to Orno Police Department. And finally, M approved gambling permanent Gillespie Center on behalf of the West Hanka Community Food Shelf. All right. Thank you for that. So, now we're going on to new business number nine. And we have um >> the title says Carnival Burns Lake Mitanka area cities let us legislation representative proposal. So what this is is a group of us mayors got together in the area. Um do we have them all on here? Weisetta, Woodland, Deep Haven, Greenwood, Tonka Bay, Orno, Long Lake, Minnitankka Beach, Minnitonka, Hound, and Spring Park. There were I know at least one more that is on here, but they did not get their council to go for this. Um, Minnetonka Beach last night just approved the proposal and uh I think it was either Greenwood or Deep Haven. I have to look that up, but uh those they're on board, too. So, what this is is um we had a a meeting and actually with it was with our senator um on over a Zoom a couple weeks ago and this overview where it says kind of our three points that we're looking for. Partly how this got, you know, we all kind of came together is for one this missing middle bill, this housing bill. So the state wants us to or some people at the state want us to uh do an accessory jelly dwelling units and that a lot of the stuff that we've already done and it's already in their comp uh comprehensive plan. So there's I think it's the representative from Burnsville is is pushing this who they've offered uh I guess she's offering to meet with people too. So um We want to make sure that we protect our local control. We just spent money on our comprehensive plan. We just amended our comp plan. We've already for looked all this a lot of these things that they're trying to do. We're a small town. We're fully developed. It shouldn't really affect us per se, but it could. Now, one of the things is we're a city of 90 what 400 is what the number they gave us. Anyway, now once you get over 10, and I don't know if we ever will, right? We're pretty developed, but let's just say if we get some huge development or something, say we somehow get 600 more people. Um, then we'd be in the 10,000 plus group. Uh, Minnetonka, US, and I think Orno again really, sorry, Minnetonka, Minatrista, and Orno, and then potentially us maybe down the road are the ones. And and if you have 10,000 or more, then you have even different rules which are less favorable to the cities in in our view. And and again, when I say are, I mean all these mayors, we all agree we don't really want this coming down on us. So um what this that's that's I guess number one. Um regional infrastructure, these were kind of jogged around a little bit. That is, I think, a good thing for us because we want to make sure. Um, remember, we've talked about hiring a lobbyist before. They're expensive. Um, we were looking at one, what was like 30 grand or even more than that. Um, when we were, we were just spitballing it. We wouldn't even like interview lobbyists because we decided not to. Um what this will this proposal does is it hires a lobbyist on behalf of all of these cities for these three items is what we're trying to do. The third one is build a statewide coalition to advocate for property tax reform. Now how that came about is a lot of the assessments and you know the county and how they come up with your property tax uh probably needs to be worked on and amended. And we've had a few people come to our meetings in the past. Um, you know, say you're on the lake, you're you're on a town home and your your property just went up 20%. And that's a constant theme over the years, right? So now all of a sudden you can't afford your house anymore. I mean, I've I know of people in other states that they have, whether it's the county or the state or whatever, they have different rules on it can only go up so so much per year, you know. Um, and I know there is some of those based on income limits and stuff at the state already, but so we just want to kind of rethink, you know, what we're trying to do here. A lot of this that third item probably wouldn't really be in effect per se this year, but hopefully next year. Um the local control thing that's coming from what we understand is they're going to push one more year and if they fail one more year then it's hopefully killed which would be again all the mayors are we're all on the same page. It's kind of funny it's like why are you pushing this on us? We don't want it. >> Yeah. Well, we've been fighting this for the last two years. >> We have. Yeah. >> So I'm glad you guys did this. >> And uh and then of course regional infrastructure in our view is water treatment plant, right? So this does kind of check box that lobbyist in in a in a little aspect because again the lobbyist can be lobbying on behalf of all these cities. Um but we will make sure that they know that that's one of our goals. Um so what what the split is it's uh is it 60 grand. there's an admin fee of 5,000 that orno would take on and then the difference so mound uh they did a 75% on homes and 25% on tax capacity for the formula and so we have 44 uh 44 36 homes and uh with that we're we're looking at about 7,67 7. >> Now that number is if every single city signs out. >> So one drops out, you know, is that divided by, you know, then it would just kind of that for like uh let's say if one of these cities is out, then that uh let's just say it's uh Spring Park, $831. Then >> we divide that up by that formula percentage probably. Yeah. >> And just figure it out. >> It'd be the 7525. just we just take them out and recalculate everybody's deal. Now >> the other mayors are emailing like as they're having council meetings they're emailing us >> and I'm on you know the email. So again I know Minnetonka Beach last night he said we're in but then he put we're in for whatever his number was right. >> Yeah we're in for >> 1229. Well, again, so what what this is is saying this is what we're shooting for right now. We want to, you know, shoot this to Jesse and our attorney and come up with, you know, whatever they got to do to work this out as a coalition. >> And we're looking for approval, I guess, not to exceed that number. And if it has, if let's just say two other cities drop out and we got to come back and it's 10 grand or something, then we'll list we want to talk about it again quick. So, we would have to like revisit it and reapprove a different amount. We >> we are going to re approve. This is just kind of really a direction to staff anyway. >> Nothing's going to happen. We're not writing a check today, but they're going to go and work with the other >> uh city administrators and city managers. >> Come back with an official >> uh you know, resolution and then we would do a motion for that probably hopefully at our next meeting. Probably most likely the 1st February. um you know they got to get down there and it's gonna be short session this year so we want to start get going on this but we understand that all these cities have to kind of get on board you know so >> Mayor help me on this cost sharing calculation so the number of homes we've got 4436 and we're at $7,67 >> how is that so much more than or that has 400 13 homes and they come in at 3469. >> So they're you see where it says the X there? They're getting a credit of five grand for the administrating all that >> the tax capacity. >> Uh negative 5,000. >> Oh, right here. Oh, I got it. Okay. >> So, because they're I mean we're going to have obviously Jesse and our attorney is going to work on this like every other city, >> but once this gets up and running, Or is going to be kind of the main >> city that's running it. And so they're going to They get a break on their >> And it's that way they have the X here because they're the >> Yeah, it's X and then >> you can see emit admin fee five grand. >> Uhhuh. >> So that gets taken off of their deal. So it's theirs should have been 80 uh 400. >> Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> So like while has more tax capacity, we're still paying quite a bit more than them. It's just the other parts of the formula that kind of put it all together, I guess. >> And >> a lot fewer homes. Yeah, >> they, you know, I talked to a few of them plus, you know, the the whole group. And >> you know, if we don't agree with this, let's let's talk about it and say, "Hey, we don't agree with the formula." And now, again, there's already someone that already approvening it. >> Well, I mean, thank you for doing all the work on this, too. I'm just curious like how did cuz it it's all happening kind of quickly like you said the session's coming up and everything but how did you guys all kind of land and agree upon like this person or >> was that like a big >> part of it or not really? >> Yeah, two people kind of led the way on this. Uh it I think it was it was a Jess it was a deep haven. Am I doing that right? >> Yeah. >> Like if you guys were all confident I mean >> I I can't I can mix the two up. deep >> deep. Okay. Uh and then his wife or something was having health issues. So then, uh the mayor of Wisetta kind of stepped in a little bit more um and kind of ran with it. And I, you know, I've talked with him. Um you know, the whole group seems on board. I know Shwood um >> she couldn't get her council on board with it, I guess. I think she's still hopefully going to present it, but >> I don't see Excel here either. >> Yeah, Excel she was not on there. That's the other one that was that we were they weren't even on the meeting at all. So, >> were there reasons for not wanting to participate? >> I I don't it wasn't they didn't go into the whole thing. Like I said, >> um doesn't sound like my council is interested right now. >> You know, they got Highway 7, they got other things going on too that they're trying to work on, but um what what does this get for us if we're going to spend seven grand, right? If they can help us kill this missing middle bill, that's worth seven grand done. >> Sure is. >> Right. If we can if they get us anything or extra help or in front of the right people in a minute here, we're going to talk about a letter to the governor. We're going to send the third year in a row that we want to get $15 million from the state. Um if that helps that a little bit gets in front of, you know, I I say Jess, reach out to the governor, set up a meeting with me. We can't get you can't get it. It doesn't work. sent a letter and they say we got it and we're going to do it again. But um you know for seven grand if that works great and then the property tax reform again I think that's probably the least exciting for us in M because we've had first of all we kept our levy very tight. Um it was the third lowest in kind of this whole area and then um you know why I mean they had I think their average was like 22%. Um, I mean they got smoked this year. You probably hear hearing about that. Um, so I I'm glad that we kind of change I think the the order was a little different at at the beginning and the infrastructure thing was added. So I think that's a good thing. I mean all three of them are good I think for for our city and it's not us paying 50 grand for a lobbyist. It's we're joining other mayors in the area. And I think that's a good when when you have especially like a tight coalition like that and you have a a senator and a representative that listen to you hopefully I mean they are but hopefully their vote follows what they're what we're telling them to do. >> What's the term of the agreement? See >> what's a what? Oh uh it's a one-year deal >> uh with that hope or the expectation of three years. And next year if we don't want to do it, don't do it. >> Okay. And they're thinking in two years >> would be three years. >> Threeear total deal >> to kill this bill is what I'm >> Oh, >> you're >> This is what they said on this call is this is from the senator. Um they said that they're going to try one more year. >> Okay. >> But it's not I don't know. We'll see. Maybe they'll push it and they'll maybe they can modify it enough where it actually makes sense and it won't be that big of a deal for a lot of us. But um >> well, and for those of you who haven't read this bill, the missing middle bill, it's the name is completely misleading. It what it's really doing is crippling cities from having their own um ability to govern >> from zoning on like zoning on down. >> Yeah, zoning is killing us. So, it it's it's not good for for cities who are trying to take care of their residents and keep our city as beautiful as it is. >> So, from what I heard, there's two bills. I don't know who introduced each of them, but one was kind of the old bill, right? The one that we've seen for a couple years. The other one was more like a more friendly to like developers, but it was more friendly probably to us too if that happens. So maybe they merge the two together and figure something that actually kind of makes sense. And then maybe they can say under 10,000 you're exempt and then we don't care anymore. I mean, we don't care. The state, >> but we care as a whole because we want cities to maintain their governance, >> right? And you know, we're a lot of small cities around here as you can see. Um, you know, Minnetonka is is in our group. Usually, a lot of times they're not in all the groups that that I'm in with these Mitak with this Mitaka area mayor stuff. Um, they're in this, which is kind of good because they're bigger, right? maybe get a little more cloud. But um a lot of these little small small cities, three of them don't even don't even matter because they're not even a thousand. And if you're under a thousand, then it doesn't even matter. They don't there's no guidelines for you. Now minist doesn't matter. we have infills or we could, you know, tear down and rebuild or whatever. But >> so this is addressing the bill that we heard about. I know I heard about it when I wasn't on council where they were trying to take away our right to control zoning and, >> you know, deciding whether or not we were going to allow something to come into our community or not. Things like, you know, the homeowners would lose their ability to reject the idea of putting an apartment building right next to them in a residential area, right? >> That kind of thing. >> Yeah. A lot of it's even like the ADUs where >> you'd put let's say you have a quarter acre lot and then you put a little apartment on the back you know mother-in-law apartment or whatever >> and with our city with you know Sarah our planning and our engineers I mean we want to kind of have a little bit of say in that because your in mountain your front yard is not always your front yard. This might be your backyard or your sideyard or someone else's front yard. You're looking right at, you know, on top of their >> you just kind of open up the code and I mean the state just says you you can do this now everybody. >> Well, and this coupled with the Met Council just constantly trying to push density on you. It it it's crippling. Well, we as we went through was it last year, two years ago, we have lots of density already as well as we have a lot of affordable housing as it is in in our town. >> We're covered >> in our town. We're good. >> We meet the requirements, right? >> So, what I'm hoping for is 10,000 number because I don't know if we ever or it's going to be a long time probably from now till we get to that number. >> That'd be good for our city. again, not our neighbor, but um or two neighbors or no and Matrica. But that'd be good for us if they'd exempt under 10,000. Yeah. Then I'm less concerned about it. Um so that again that's one thing. The other two things are So why hire a lobbyist? And me and you, I know we agreed we don't like lobbyists. We don't want lobbyist. We're the lobbyist. We should be lobbying our people, right? as well as we have other elected officials that are in different levels of from us that they should be our lobbyists, right? They should lobby on behalf of ours because that's we elected them. >> Is it a little bit of a u switch in in my opinion? Yes. But it's a it's a seven grand thing, right? We're not paying 50 grand to go lobby for a what if if we get money from the state. Seven. It's a lot of money, but with us as a whole, I mean, I'm sorry, but you know, if we're all on the same page and then our senator or rep doesn't kind of vote how we're thinking, I that's probably not good for them, >> right? Um, and if they can get other senators or reps to vote our way that we want, I think this is a good thing. So, I think we should do this. Um, this is again just a a high level. Are we interested? I can shoot an email to the group tomorrow. Yes, we're interested. They're going to work on all the details with the rest of the people just like them in the group. And then again, I don't know if it'll come back as quickly as next meeting, but probably February, the first meeting in February. And we want to get on this because they need to get down there and lobby. So >> if there's is there any other questions on this? >> What >> I just want to comment it's a you know aside from the lobbyist aspect like we don't want to >> generally always go that route but I mean it's just I mean probably bears repeating that it's a great a great way for someone or a small city like us to kind of pull resources and get the most >> or be be the most effective as we can and the most efficient. I mean, there's a a point where it becomes time and sa staff's money and time towards something, too. And yeah, it's a no-brainer. I interrupted somebody. >> I was going to be along those lines. I I agree, too. I just wanted to mention, you know, we have battled this for a couple years and with all the cities doing that, we have been relatively successful because it hasn't passed. >> Um, but you don't know when that's going to switch. So I I'm in in total agreement. I'm concerned about all of our cities maintaining control. So I appreciate your >> joining the group and whoever looks like Orno started it. That's awesome. >> Well, Orno is doing the administration >> again. Deep Haven or Greenwood. I It's in my email. I didn't bring my computer, but >> Carlson, >> is it say it on there? >> Yeah. >> Be nice to get whoever did this. >> Yeah. Mayor Carlson. >> Uh it's Deep Haven. Honorable Kent Carlson. So the mayor of Deep Haven uh kind of led this um and then yeah. All right. So what's the next step? >> I want to test drive our new motion sheet. >> Yeah. Where's the new motion sheet? Here. >> Um here you go. There's a copy of if you don't have that. Um, so I think our next step is just making a motion, right? >> Yes. >> If I can find Yeah. >> page 141. >> Yeah. Yeah. Page 141. There's Oh, no. Yeah. Go ahead. >> All right. Um, I'd like to make a motion to direct city manager Dixon and city attorney Lansman to negotiate terms for Mound's contribution toward Carnival Burns Lake Minnitonka area city's legislative representation representation proposal. >> All right, we got a motion. Can I get a second? >> Second. >> Any other discussion? All those in favor, please say I. I. >> I. Those opposed. All right, that passes. >> All right. And And I got to bring my computer next time. Like I'm so lost. >> Are you going to the next 140? >> Yeah, I'm trying to find it. >> Page 143. >> Yeah. 14. Okay. Uh so Mound City Council letter to elected officials uh for 2026. Um so this one is a letter to the governor. Um and we're going to copy and Johnston Stewart, our senator, and Andrew Myers, our representative. And if you read the letter, it's, you know, it's a nice letter. It's not mean or disrespectful. It's it's direct. We have spent a lot of money on our water infrastructure, over $80 million in the last 20 years. And roughly 20 of that's actually water infrastructure in general. Um yes, we did get 10.3 million in 2023 was unlocked um last year and then we're starting to spend it now. Um we were going in for 15 million or sorry 30 we were trying to go in for 30 million. We were strongly suggested to not do that and to go in for 15 um has a better shot of getting it and uh so anyway this letter here kind of represents that and just a commitment to providing clean water for mound. So, I have the the official letter if you all agree on it. Um, there is a motion on >> Yeah. >> page 143 and I don't know if you guys want to talk about that first, but >> Well, I want to talk about, you know, we still are facing the 30 million. >> Yeah. >> We haven't really adjusted that because it's been 30 million, but I'm sure it's way more than that now. We should probably be more accurate at what our shortfall is going to be. So I think in the newsletter and correct me if I'm wrong it's like 136 is what or sorry 36 is roughly >> well the initial um study from four five years ago was around that 36 numbers. I mean we're not going to know for sure until we're through the actual plans and specs and actually going out for bid. I mean, we're we've been adjusting sort of along the lines of of inflation anyway. So, we're rounding up to a little over 40, which realistically if if it was catastrophically higher than that, we probably wouldn't do it anyway. So, we're working without having to go spend a whole bunch of money for another feasibility study or something to to try to do that, which could would cause us quite a bit. Um, we're working off of inflation numbers. Um, the state whenever we do these capital requests, they build that in. So each year that we go back to the to the legislature and say here's our request, they're building in those numbers, too. So it's it's sort of an educated guess that we're a little over 40, but it's based off of the initial feasibility study that was around 35 to 36. >> Okay. Thank you. >> I think we'll be in for a little bit of a surprise when we do do that. >> Yeah. >> But I think it and that wouldn't it wouldn't adjust the amount that we're asking for, right? I mean, we're kind of like anything more than 15 million was kind of like a non-starter. >> Uh yeah, let's put it politely. Yeah. >> In in similar terms. >> When I testified for that, the first 10 million, right? It was 30. So when I did the speech and >> capital investment giving me, you got five minutes to ask for 30 million, right? >> Literally two minutes later, like, well, we might be able to get you 10 >> six million bucks a minute. And I'm like, well, why did I ask for 30? But that's >> competitive. Now we're looking at one. >> Well, we're asking for 15. Hopefully we get >> anything. Yeah. >> Right. >> Well, but I mean, we're asking for 15 because the instructions are we need to act like we're in acting in good faith and take taking our >> tax dollars and applying them ourselves, not just asking the state to pay for the entire bill. >> Yeah. The thought is if it's 30-ish, we're paying the other half. Right. Right. And we're going to match the funds kind of thing. And according to our senator, they said that Senator Papus, who is the the chair of the capital investment committee, said we're not handing out full deals. If if you want to come, we we'll 50/50, right? You got to pay half. Now, we've our previous things were like, we've already spent, you know, how many millions of dollars over how many years? >> So, that was kind of our rebuttal. But even when I was testifying, some of the questions that senators or the reps depend on which which time I testified, they did say that. They're like, "Well, how much did you spend?" So, we kind of try to combat it with the sheet saying, "Well, we've already," you know, so they didn't ask those questions. >> Our system was built in the early 60s and we've paid this, this, this, and this through the years to maintain it yet. >> Right. Fair enough. >> So, any other questions on the letter? We're going to send it via UPS and email. And last year when we did that, I know that they did confirm that they got the the letter. Um, so if uh there's nothing else, we have a motion on page 143. Someone wants to make a motion. I can do that. Um, I would like to make a motion to approve draft language for the letter to Governor Walls, Senator Anne Johnson Stewart, and Representative Andrew Myers, and direct staff to send by USPS and email. >> All right, got a motion. Can I second? >> Second. >> Any other discussion? All those in favor, please say I. >> I. >> I. >> I. Those opposed. All right, that passes. So, I have the letter here. Leave it to me. me. I signed under my name instead of over. But everybody signed under your name. >> Okay. >> And if you maybe use the black pen if you got one. >> I brought a crayon. >> A crayon or whatever. Um Okay. So number or 9C, we're going to go 2026 street and utility project feasibility report. Welcome. >> Welcome. Good evening, mayor, members of the council. Matt Bowman, city engineer. Second. We'll fully test drive the new computer or new TV mount over here. Yeah. >> Wait a minute. We need you on the lights. >> And you've got our real logo there. Thank you for whoever sent it. >> Yeah, I got it updated here. >> Worked the first time. We >> Yeah. >> Very nice. >> All right. So um in October, if you recall, you gave us authorization to complete the feasibility study for the capital improvement plan projects. So 2601 is for street reconstruction and 2602 is for mill and overlay. Um back uh sometime this summer, engineering and public works kind of went around and adjusted the the plan a little bit just based on the actual status of the streets. You can see in red on here >> that one. I think it's >> any better. >> Yeah. >> So, in the the red boxes are the streets that were reconstructed in the last round of capital improvement plan. And then the black are streets that uh for whatever reason weren't part of that last uh 15y year process. So, they all the ones in the black boxes are are slated for reconstruction. And the red, depending on the status of it, there'd be millaning overlay or reconstruction. And so here kind of laid out a little bit better. Blue is going to be milling overlay and then yellow are the reconstructed streets. I think hopefully you can see those well enough in the colors here. >> And then I'll I'll go through some of them in a little bit more detail. >> Sorry, I was think that's it for 2026. >> That is it. Yeah. So this is based so these are a combination of streets that were redone in 2004 or 200 five initially. So shuffled them around a little bit to try to group some of them better but the that init those initial projects were pretty scattered as well and then u bring the everybody's favorite chart back up here just to kind of rehash that. So the we got the this is generally a 60-year process for payment management. um the blues kind of reset at 20 years and that's is signifying your uh mill and overlay process and then you get here that's where where you get into the point where you'd want to do a reconstruction. Uh then so the evaluation is generally based on condition of the street uh if the water main needs work if the if there's we'll uh evaluate the curb kind of on an as needed basis and then if there's any other minor utility improvements or storm water improvements. Storm water improvements usually are more related to if we if we do a full reconstruction then the wershed is going to ask for some additional work there for um like where rain garden filtration basin type improvements. And so there's two main areas where we're going to be doing water mane. Um this area in Dutch Lake neighborhood experienced I'll I got another picture later, but there's been five breaks here within the last couple years. So this is one that we needed to to move up even though the street itself does not look like it's in bad shape. The it we're at the point now where needed some work. So shifted it to a reconstruction. Uh and then the other two streets are in the downtown area. So, Old Shoreline Drive and Marian Lane have some of the oldest water manes in town and they're ready for for work as well. I got pictures, a little bit better pictures of their status in current condition. Um, >> Matt, while we're on this page, you know, we keep getting the complaints from the same two or three residents regarding the um area between is it kind of the OL area kind of by and then going down that street. There's still some problems and I think Jesse when I last sent it to you, you were going to try to tackle that with the 2026 and that's the red on Commerce in between I think the OL parking lot and then buyers that area. >> Oh, like the the road in between the two. >> Yeah, like when you turn in, it's just still the sidewalk area is still really bad. >> We're talking about the the driveway entrance. Yeah. Across there. Yeah. So, we're going to between either this project or the county's got their own project to redo that trail crossing right by there. Is am I in the right spot? >> It is right by there. >> Yeah, >> it's just south of there. >> Yeah. So, within within one of these, we'll get that picked up. >> That's great because the complaint has always been they did all everything around it except for that little, you know, >> that one >> 100 ft area. So, >> okay. I know we keep asking you about it, but I just bring it up so those listening can understand. It has not been forgotten. >> I don't know if you can see. >> It's like the area right across from the Art Tessa entrance kind of you can see right in the bottom there. Almost >> bottom left like very very bottom left. >> Okay. >> Right here. >> That's it. >> Yep. >> Okay. I'll make a note of that and we can >> find a way to get that addressed with the with the project here. Is that another one of those scenarios where like the the road and like the those parking spots are all that's all city? >> Like they don't belong to the building that's right there. >> So this is all city property here on um what what we're calling Marian Lane. Yes. >> Sorry. On the other side >> on the other side like kind of same kind of thing with Marian Lane. Like those parking spots are you know kind of the city's responsibility. the parking respon the parking spots that are you know in that same road that council member uh council member Mcani was just talking about is that all our responsibility >> is that in front of Paula Larson's building >> no one right outside chiropractor >> yeah the slant sl >> the road and the parking spots >> I can see it a little bit there but >> on the bottom left >> I'll get through this and then I'll pull up the GIS and we can check it real quick Cool. >> And just remind me if I forget once we get towards the end. >> All right. >> Uh, all right. So, here. >> So, we're not doing new curves or anything. Just >> No. And just because the um every everything that's in the the plan this year is we're going to put it back pretty much how it is, but but new. And so this area because it it may change. I don't I'm not sure if anything's in the in the hopper for that or not. We're just we're going to make sure we renew the pavement. We need to dig it all up because we got to do the water mane there. So, but it'll be brand new pavement when we're done. And then maybe some tweaks up by the >> road >> leading up to the building, but that would generally be it for that area. Um and then old shoreline. >> There's a there's a concrete road buried underneath the asphalt pavement there if you didn't know that. Um, so >> that'll make the reconstruction a little bit more costly, but it's gen it'll generally look the same when we're done. But but new and refreshed. >> I know this is very uh premature, but that old shoreline, when are we targeting for I know we haven't even accepted the bid, but just when >> summer, fall. >> Yeah. Uh, I'll get to the um >> at the end of this is a kind of >> anticipated timeline. >> Okay. >> These two roads because they butt up to what we're doing with the water main project are going to have to flex around that a little bit, but every Yeah, this year is the the plan. >> Yeah. I I guess I'm thinking like with summer and the ice cream shop and farmers market and Spirit of Lakes if we can. I I know Jesse, we'll try to plan around that, but >> post Labor Day maybe. >> Yeah. Well, or either or get it done right away. >> Yes. What? >> Make it look better first. >> Once the weather breaks, we can start, right? >> Yeah. >> I'm trying to >> And then again, this is another Are we combining the repavement of the um farmers market with this or is this a that's a different deal? that parking lot. We are we still suggesting that that wait until we finish all the phases of Los Lake Commons Park. Okay. >> Staging stuff right there. >> Yeah. >> Oh yeah, that's right. Staging. >> Staging. And if there's a phase two and a half and and then if there's any other decisions on a structure, it would be at some point then we'd make that decision when to redo that pavement. >> Okay. >> All right. >> And yeah, just as far as staging here, we'd want to do Marion Lane and Old Shoreline, alternate them. so that there's still one access into the the farmers market space there at as much as we can. There'll be a couple times where it'll be out of commission for a little bit, but not try to keep that from happening on the weekends. >> I guess I'm curious and Kathy was trying to explain it to me. But so this is Marian Lane is really a parking lot and then I mean does that need to be a road there or could >> It is a road. >> It's a road. >> It's all the center road. Yeah. >> That's all new too. the curbing and like along Art Tessa and all that. >> Yeah, this is >> What's this? >> Well, this is across from OL. >> Yeah, >> that's also some parking spots before you get into our testa the lower part of our Tessa. >> I'm just thinking long-term strategy. Is it ever really used as a road or should it be should we be directing traffic out through that main >> thing that's going in and out of to our Tessa? >> Well, this is how you access to get around. >> People do go on there. >> Yeah, I I use that all the time for turning around. Okay. >> I mean, I think we should fix that area, but I'm just questioning, does it need to be a road or that we maintain long term? >> It's got a water man under it. Yeah. >> Does it? >> Yeah. >> All right. Just asking. >> Yeah. >> All right. I'll keep moving here. Um, just some more pictures of the status of the streets I mentioned already. So, Diamond Lane, um, part of that Dutch Lake area. So, you can see the two two of the more recent water breaks showing up in there. Um but again the street itself doesn't look in terrible condition but if we wait we're just going to get more breaks and every break it gets that much more costly. Uh Kildair Road is one of the black roads that was left um hasn't hasn't been touched in about 30 years. So you can back to that uh that graph. This is where it's really dropped off and this p this is from uh Google Street View is about two years old and it's much in much worse condition now. Uh and then so High View Lane here is one where you can see all the the crack the cracking. Um the road starting to get beat up here. The the curbs generally in good condition, but this is another one would reconstruct between the curb lines and then just uh correct the curb a little bit here and there where where it's not draining. Glenwood Boulevard is the alley off of the one of the S-curves of nine the off of the 90 degree scurve of Lynwood. Um it was one of the city's alleyways that uh hasn't been touched again for we don't since we don't know when. Um and then Baywood Shores Drive. I put this one in here. This is a mill and overlay candidate. This was one that initially had been in the reconstruction reconstruct um category, but driving through the it's obviously in much better shape. So we're going to shift gears there and just do the the inch and a half correction. Uh all right. Right. So then we got the total estimated cost. Construction we estimate about 2.6 million 25% indirect cost and then a total estimated project cost of 3.2. Um I think in the CIP it's broken into many different sections. The the CIP had about 2.9. We'll we'll come back to you again when we're ready for final approval for bids with a a better number >> with more dialed in numbers. And then I mentioned in the um in the letter that there's also Met Council grants out there to offset some of the sanitary sewer improvement costs and stuff like that. So >> So do you you apply for those on our behalf? >> Yes, we do. >> They >> I get all those. >> We pretty much always get them. Yeah. They have limits and different uh percentages that they give out, but Yeah. >> Yeah. All right. And with that, so then our proposed schedule, receive the study and authorize final design tonight. Uh, April, we're projecting to authorize advertisement for bids, open and award in May, construction over the summer, substantial completion in the fall, and then um the following May, we'd be wrapping up any final punch list items, turf and um irrigation, things like that to close out the project. And there are as you you guys alluded to there especially us being all around town and working around the other city city and and even the miniaturista project we got we'll have some coordination some phasing to coordin to figure out yet but uh all things that we can manage. So yeah, next steps would be you have a resolution to accept study and authorized final design for the project. And if you want to, I can quickly go to that other 148 >> page 148. >> Oh no, that's not it. >> 146. >> I can read that. Um motion to pass city council item 9 C approving resolution 2610 receiving report and authorizing preparation of plans and specs and advertisement for bids for the 2026 street utility improvement projects PW2601 and PW2602. >> I got a motion. Can I get a second? >> Second. Any other discussion? All those in favor, please say I. I. >> I. >> I. >> Those opposed. >> All right, that passes. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Can I ask him a question real quick? Actually, this might be more Jesse. >> Um, I know that we had a request from the American Legion >> for that little road that's kind of a weird road running between Wilshshire and Cypus Lane. Did anybody go look at that or did we >> I don't even need to. I can just remember how how bad it is. I know what you're talking about. I forgot we mentioned >> I mean where does that fit in the scope of our long-term plan and >> it's probably not on it. >> I I can speak to it a little because we've discussed it at the staff level and I think that that's potentially a policy decision that needs to be made because that what from what we can tell that sort of falls in line with many of our other un un um improved right ofways or rights of way rather. >> Okay. Um it's certainly being used to access parking lots that are being maintained and uh and you know managed by the the couple businesses there, but we don't have any record of the city having maintained it previously. So it gets into the the conversation of if we want to that once we do it, we've sort of adopted it. Um I don't know that the city necessarily has to. Um, there's also the possibility that we work with the the property owners to if we're going to do it, maybe they want to do their their uh parking lots at the same time or something because we could just as easily go through, redo it and then sort of mess up whatever they've got going on. And um Matt can probably speak to a little bit. If you recall too, we were talking about if we do go through to do it, we may be improving it and if we have to improve it, we may have to meet certain whether it's ADA or storm water requirements. So, it's a it's been talked about at least at a staff level, but I think that we maybe need to make either either just a one-off decision on if this is something we want to get into for the benefit of several property owners, maybe in conjunction with them, or um an overall sort of u approach to how we handle some of these other rights of ways that have certainly exist on the uh Henipin County GIS and appear to be city rights of ways, >> but maybe not within something that we're trying to take on. So, it's sort of a long-winded answer, but it's I I don't know that we have a great grasp of what the city's plans should be. So, it's also not as easy as just finding out how much it would cost because it could be like a cost share or >> like >> I think in a perfect world if you were doing it, you would have you sort of do it all at the same time because you're it's several different parking lots that would all be getting disturbed by what we're doing in between them. >> Yeah. The alley the the city right away kind of cuts through and then there's several every >> every lot is owned by a different entity. I'm trying to pull it up here and I'll share. >> I guess what I'm curious about too is my understanding from the Legion person that I spoke with um that area from what is it? Sorry, Wilshshire down to the Domino's when they remodeled the Dominoes, the city, I believe the city repaved that. Maybe they didn't. Maybe Dominoes paid to have it done. I don't know. >> But >> yeah, >> I mean, so now we've got part of it completed and the rest of it is in shambles. And I agree with you, the parking lot that is owned by the Legion is in okay shape, but I know they got to do some repairs, but the other parking lot too will need to be addressed. >> Like to see who owns what parts, you know, like what what Matt's doing, but >> um >> yeah, long term, I mean, it would be good. It's like right in downtown looking better. Yeah, they do so much for the citizens and supporting the community that you know and it this does look bad. >> It does. And if we want the businesses to upkeep their end, we should >> we should support them as best we can. And this is a situation where >> Yeah. There it is. >> So the one to the left of 5309, >> correct me if I'm wrong, but that's owned by >> across the street. >> That's a Belo, I believe. >> The BBO owns that. >> Correct. >> So we own the road. So that's the worst. >> There we go. >> Right. >> But it's the road in the middle. >> Say the Legion did something. >> Uhhuh. the road. The road in the middle, right? >> But I'm just saying you >> you put lipstick on there and it's still going to look pretty crappy on the other part. >> Yeah, cuz that other parking lot is horrible. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. But that's >> it was it was repaired down to the roughly the line of 5309. See from wheelshock over. >> I mean, it needs to be like striped and everything. It's just horrible. >> Yeah. >> The parking lot. >> Yeah. you know. So, and we did we pulled what property files we could um about 10 ft of this access is actually fully on the Legion's >> property >> property there and so that what would be left for within the city's rightway is not a heck of a lot of it's not very wide what's left there and I think it's there's a 20 foot wide rightway really the only thing that's in here right now there's um utility poles going down the rightway no other city utilities in that space. And then yeah, talking public works didn't have any record. They've never maintained anything in there. They've never done any plowing or anything like that. So >> suppose if we >> finish it, does that change that? >> You know, >> I Well, just broadly, you're sort of um adopting it, so to speak. I mean, it's >> uh I like I said, it's sort of a policy decision. I mean, it's I would suggest that if it's something that the council wants to explore, we probably just try to get each of the property owners in a room at the same time and talk about what the plans are. I mean, because the other option could be that we vacate it and give it to the property owners. I mean, if they're maintaining it and using it as parking spaces and we're not intending to, it's not I mean, realistically, it's not going to become a road. It's not wide enough without taking property. So, if it's something that they wanted to privatize and we don't care, we could get rid of it in a pretty easy way. Um, especially if there's nothing underneath it because that's usually like with the conversation just a few minutes ago. You know, when there's a water main underneath it, we can't get rid of it. Um, in this case, maybe it's an opportunity for that too. Um, but that ultimately will be a decision the council would have to make as well. >> Can't remember. There might be gas within there. Oh, nothing. >> So, it looks like it's just electric. >> I don't if there's any action on that. I just wanted to follow up on the question. >> Are we good? >> Yeah. We wanted to look at that one other spot you said to remind you >> over there. Yep. right next to between OL and the chiropractor if it was the you know I think the the the nameless road I thought it started with a J or something it was like Juniper or something but >> yeah it is the parking spots kind of >> it's Northern Heritage Properties >> they own the whole road >> they own that space and there's >> from behind the sidewalk Yep. Oh, >> okay. >> So, >> the city worked with the with these other businesses. >> Yeah. It never got >> fixed >> fixed when they were fixing everything around it. >> Okay. >> Yeah. There's an agreement for for all of the these lots that were redone. That was all cost shared >> on the back >> back in 2020 20 or 21 something like that. >> I'm sorry. I think it was what >> there when when these parking lots were all redone, there was a cash or an agreement with all those business owners and and there's been a I think there's been kind of an ongoing agreement for maintenance back there for snow plowing and stuff like that. >> Yeah. >> Cool. >> All right. Thank you. >> Thanks, Matt. >> Thanks. All right. Number 10, uh comments and reports from council member council member. Um I I'm I'm just going to bring up and this is based on our meeting from last night that we should be a little more um forthright with our previous meetings and I just had a planning meeting since we all got to see the original concept presentation for the Holstead Bay. Um we had two meetings on that and the last meeting last Tuesday. We did move that forward. They were really um great at looking at our concerns and answering the concerns from the meeting in uh late November. Then they came back in December or I'm sorry, December, they they they took all of our concerns, presented those again in last week and they addressed all of them. So everybody gave it a thumbs up to move forward. And I know the ministry is already mostly ready to go too. So short of them doing a little bit of LMCD work for that one dock they want to put down, it might after all these years actually happened down there. And it looks really nice. Yes. And if you if any of the audience wants to look at this on on our website under the North Point, it's the very bottom groupings that are the newest renderings that they addressed our concerns and it it's really nice looking. So, and then the other thing I wanted to ask you since this is such a quick meeting um in December I had asked Pauline to meet with us to give us the second round of the pole banner designs. >> Oh yeah. >> And they were having some health issues. So, um, I contacted her right after Christmas, just recently, and I asked her if she could come to this meeting, but because of all this new everything, it was too late to get on the agenda. So, she sent me round two, and she thought it would be a good time for us if we wanted to look at them to make feedback. So, if if she needs to redo anything or edit anything, she can come to the 27th. But if we all sort of like it, she can get rolling. >> Sweet. Um, and Jesse's I sent him the PDF, so he's going to pull them up and I'll kind of explain. So, um, the the first grouping, the fir there's three rows, and these are all black graphics on the background colors. And then Jesse and then we're also looking at um where we want to have the fonts. This one, mound is on top. Jesse, if you go to the next row, mount is on the side. And this is just next row is just showing mound in a sarapont. And then if you go to the next page, these are the graphics in blue on the colors. So just wanted to give you a chance to make a decision what looks best. If you go to the very last page, the farmers market graphic was difficult to identify. Remember, you're going to go be going 30 miles an hour. Most the other graphics are easily readable, but this one, it's the second one that um Pauline provided and she didn't have time to pull some new ones. So, I just pulled some new ones in those other three >> to see so we can all understand that we can make that readable >> because I like the farmers market lean. Um, so if you want to look at these a little bit up on top and see if you guys have any feedback I can send on to Pauline >> or if you think we're getting close. >> I I like the just the first with the mound across the top and that >> the top the top one. >> Yeah. I don't care about the black or the blue. >> Well, I think kind of black reads a little better if you're going fast. >> But I like mound across the top and not sideways just cuz like you said, you're driving by and >> so you like the mound logo on top. >> Yeah. I've never been a big fan of like the, you know, like off of 110. It's like the Balsam Hill sign. Like it's remind like that. I just I think that is better. Just easy. >> But yeah, they look great. >> Yeah, I kind of think she's pretty dang close. >> I can go either way, but I like mound up and down. >> I I'm a big believer in the mound up and down. >> The second one. Go down a little Jesse. That I like that one. >> I like that one. >> I love that one. >> Yeah, >> I like that one. >> Both fine. I like the top. I could go either way. I won't lose sleep. >> The bike and the boat graphically take out some little waves so it's not as >> busy. You know what I mean? >> Say that again. >> Well, I don't know. I graphically >> Yeah, we she can easily do that, but I think you're going to lose a little bit. >> The boat's probably okay, but the bike just seems a little bit too lon like it's too busy. >> Well, that kind of ground it kind of grounds it a little bit. >> Okay. >> It might look kind of like it's floating if you don't have some shadow effect. Well, yeah, but like the the spokes are a little busy and the pedaly part. >> So, you you'd like to see the bike graphic tightened up. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Sorry. >> Yeah. >> Not sure about the terminology. >> Yeah. >> And then on the boat, I don't personally I wouldn't lose the waves because that kind of gives us our lake. >> A little bit of motion, too. >> Not the lakes. >> I did like the farmers market graphic. I don't know how you would use that because this says fall to me, not farmers market. >> Right. So, if you go down to the very last one, Jesse, sorry. Um, these are just some other one. See, I think that second one, there's not enough contrast in it. I had no idea what it was. >> Um, so >> the other one >> the one on the far right. >> Yeah, >> I like it. >> Yeah, I like that, too. I I tried to pull the our farmers market logo. >> Yeah. >> And put it there just to give a little bit of a nod of recognition. >> So, you could use that farmers market >> and run mound down the sun. Go go go go go back up to the >> take the barrel out and I don't know how much you can do with them. They stop grab no >> the one I agree with council herit that looks kind of pumpkiny. >> Yep. >> But yeah, if you use that other thing and then I mean the fireworks make sense of legs. >> Well, you know, she's nodding to our requests. >> Yeah, this is great. >> Trails. >> Yeah. >> You know, our events, the our lakes and then uh farmers market. So, >> I think they look really nice. >> Um, I'm going to have her pull the fireworks down a little bit. >> Y >> um >> just some easy edits. Yeah, just needs to be seen a little bit more. >> And I like that on ours, unlike the Spring Lake Park, you know, she's giving us a third for the business logos, which I think is going to help businesses sell because it's going to be an expense for them. And I I want to see my logo. I want advertising. Yeah. >> So, I think that'll look nice. >> Okay. So, you feel comfortable with this and then we'll talk to her about simplifying the bike graphic and then um we'll add the actual farmers market tent and then you want the does everybody agree on wanting except Kevin at this point? >> How do you feel about >> I like it down the side? Yeah. >> Okay. I agree with you. >> Okay. And then we'll make sure that the farmers market tent looks good with that down the side and we don't lose too much information. >> Okay. Well, you know what? I want to do this. Thank you for giving us the time because now she can get rolling. >> Made it. Thanks for the job. >> Yeah, it'll be really fun to hopefully hopefully the businesses, you know, are attentive to it and want to do it. It'll look nice as we drive into mount. >> Yeah. And assuming she comes back, we approve it next uh meeting, >> but a couple months and they're up. >> Can we >> Well, I don't know about a couple months again. >> You have to understand that setting up this sales program. >> Oh, you got to say. Yeah. Yeah. So, >> that's why I wanted it in December. >> Might be six months or something. >> It might be six months. >> Yeah. Okay. Well, and public works needs to be noted so that they >> Well, we've already all met I've given them all the I've given them all the poll numbers. I drove around with Ryan in November to get all those. So, >> we've already got them hooked up together. So, if you feel good about this, um, she can roll with it. >> Let's roll. >> So, it's approved based on the >> Well, we got to do official approval, right? Not the next meeting. >> Later. I mean I I think yeah at the next meeting would be more I think we're giving her >> the giving the director but >> yes we need to >> officially >> because we don't really have any other part than approving graphics. Does it need to be approved? I mean, attorney I mean we don't have anything to do with it other than we're helping initiate >> but we're appro but but you as a council approving the design >> and so it should be at least >> it sounds like should be an an official agenda item with at least an oral motion. >> Okay. Okay. >> And is can she go ahead and start rolling with this then even though we haven't done an official approval then? I mean, I think we all kind of are on the same page, but I to officialize it next meeting, we can do an agenda item. You can give us the final graphics. We'll say you approved. But yeah, behind the scenes, I I don't >> I don't know. Maybe I shouldn't say that, but >> I mean, there's always there's always a risk. >> What if what if >> she Anybody can start ahead of time. There's always a risk that if the council comes back and doesn't approve it, >> that that it's it's at her risk. Jesse, can we also check in with Ryan about the flags? I know we had to hustle to get a few extras last hour and >> there was some that were damaged in the weather tears them up and so on and so forth. >> I just saw >> just so he can >> Spring Park taking theirs down. >> We did today. >> Did you see that? >> Yeah, they were taking theirs down today. Christmas stuff >> for Christmas. >> No, American flags. >> Oh, I thought they were doing all the I saw them taking down the wreaths today. Maybe they're doing >> Yeah, I saw flags coming down. I don't know. >> I just we have to prep for >> because it was a slight expenditure last year. >> I just saw there I just saw like one or two coming down on the way to work. >> Maybe they're switching them. >> Maybe they were I don't get maybe they just looked at them and then put them back up. >> Yeah. I mean I I know it's on Ryan's radar, but I just want to make sure that we are planning for that. I'm assuming we want to put those up but >> soon. >> May. Spring. >> Okay. >> Thank you. Anything else for you? >> No. >> Okay. Uh, council member. >> Um, I just I don't have much. Um, but I just wanted to give kudos to Leila for this motion sheet and the agenda. Yes. >> Awesome. >> Once we figure out how to use it, it's amazing. >> I just have one I have like one question, but I mean it's like having the the separate motion sheet is great. >> It is. >> And like the different order of um I mean everything on the agenda is awesome. If we were like on number four when we do public comment if we're we don't have like it doesn't state you know three minutes per person like it used to whatever should we just say that >> I'm supposed to say it on here I >> is that is that all we have to do is just say it >> I don't I she gave it to me before the meeting I was like I'm supposed to say something here >> okay >> it's yeah I'm supposed to say it through >> and that's fine I'm just thinking like if I was you know preparing to come to the council meeting and talk I might want to know that ahead of time >> I agree I looked at that >> you know But I don't know, >> mayor, members of the council, um, typically it's not something that will go on the agenda. So, we could create something separately for when people sign in, um, that they know that by signing in and sometimes that comes on those signin forms. Um, but typically the mayor would read that, you know, he could kind of read the room and see like something like tonight where there's not really anyone who's probably speaking on public comment and but if you have a room a packed house, it's probably good to you'd likely reiterate that anyways to to folks, but we can add something out at the check-in dis about the time limit. >> I guess to be fair, I mean, it was on there before and people still didn't read it, so >> I was just curious. But thank you for redoing it. They both are great. Yeah, mayor and members of the council, we haven't talked about this publicly yet. This is the first time with these new agenda formats and the motion structure, but the goal is really one to increase the city's branding, making sure things that come to you have new and updated branding. Um, but then also just making it easier for people to follow along. Um, we had kind of an inconsistent structure for how we did agendas kind of item by item. And so really working to smooth that out, make it easy, make it from every meeting that you know, whether it's a meeting in January or a meeting in October, they all look the same. Um, one thing you'll notice is that cover memo that came with most of the items that's new as well. Um, to help you understand, you know, what's really being asked of you and making that consistent from staff item to staff item. >> Are you going to Leila be um making the agendas um across the board for commissions look the same, too? Because that would be really helpful. That's never been the case. >> Yeah. Mayor, members of the council, we are going to update all agendas. We'll follow this exact format. >> And you'll add page numbers for all the agendas. >> Um, yeah, mayor, council member, I guess I I'd love to know if if if it's fine. I'll probably do just a page number separate just so that it's I think it ends up looking a little bit cluttered when we add the page numbers to the agenda. Um, but I would take your direction. >> I'm just happy they'll all look the same. I mean, they're like different and like >> I don't see why I think page numbers for for anybody trying to read the agenda, it's impossible to to navigate through it without a page number to direct you what you're looking for. >> Sure. >> Well, it might be just a moving the margin over so that the numbers are separate. >> Well, it's what we used to have. >> Well, Jesse just threw this together for tonight because I know page numbers was going to be an issue. >> Yeah. >> So, I say talk to me before there's meetings. >> Um, yes, I would do this again. But I love that you took it from p from the moving consistently throughout the year with page numbers to just numbering them >> one through every that helps a lot. >> Much easier. >> Good. I'm glad. I think it's much easier to follow from the public because otherwise you might think where did the other 800 pages before this go? >> Um yes, we can update that and we'll get that cleaned up um so that they're maybe more even on the margin on the right side. >> Yeah. Thank you. >> I don't have anything else. Okay. Uh, council member Heric. >> Um, let's see. We met with the um, please let you >> I didn't meet again. >> Oh, god. You weren't there when you better tell me what happened. >> Jesse and I did. How about that? >> Um, it was a pretty I I mean I don't Jesse can concur, but I didn't really do anything that was extraordinary out of it. I know that you guys are making some progress on the motorized bike issue. Um, so that's all good news. Um, we did discuss, I don't know if you noticed, but there were some people out on those bikes on Lake Langden before it was totally frozen and I did ask about that. That is Henipin County. So, if we see that occur again, we need to contact Henipin County. Um, not place to deal with that. Um, especially if one of them happens to go into the water. So, anyhow, they're um working on that as I just mentioned and um you know, they're continuing to give us totals and everything on issues that have occurred. Um and of course, they notified us of which we just heard the new people that are coming on board. Other than that, wasn't really anything new about that. Um to address the ICE issue, which is the emails that you and I got, um they are not supporting ICE efforts. In other words, to um address immigration. However, they will be on site if that occurs to protect the public's property and the public itself against any kind of violence that should occur during a protest. >> Thank you. >> And I guess last night when we were here, we were talking. I just really want to ask, so for this annual meeting that we're going to do in April for the city, um I know we discussed doing it with the fire. Um, I can work with Jesse or Ila. Which one of you want to work with me on that to get that going? Because we only have a couple months. >> Um, >> yeah, you can work with me. >> With you? Okay. And then, um, let me I need to find out. You probably know who the contacts are and everything with the fire department and the auxiliary. >> Yeah, I'm I And if I don't, I I know to ask. >> You know where to find out? >> Absolutely. I'm just thinking because if we're going to do a cash bar or something, we're also going to need to pull a permit and maybe anything else. So, we'll have to get that on the agenda. >> So, um and then if anybody else has any ideas for things for festivals, events that we can get scheduled into Lost Lake Commons. Um we mentioned several things during a meeting. Um maybe try taking a look at dog days, um yoga in the park, um night to unite. We're still looking for something maybe to try to do in the spring. Um and then um I guess we had some discussions with someone concerning the Brewfest. We'll just need to get a little bit more information about that and then continuing with our tree lighting ceremony in December. So if anyone has any other ideas on that coming from the community or whatever, if they'll reach out to me or Jesse or Ila, we can get started on that. >> Is that it? >> All right. Um, so we were here for four hours yesterday. Uh, sitting right out here. Uh, we're going through our priorities list. So, if you've been around or seen our, uh, meetings in the past, uh, the last three years since I've been mayor anyway, we've been going through what is our priorities for the year. And we kind of have a list that we kind of go off of and then, uh, we give it to Jesse to kind of work with staff to hopefully accomplish our priorities list if we can. And uh we did a pretty good job I think last year. I think we did a mid-year review on the list just to see where we were at. Did pretty good. And um you know last night you know we kind of went through uh the list and we juggled some from uh 2025 to 2026 that we're still working on that we're just you know in progress. Um and then we added a whole bunch of new ones. So uh at our next meeting that'll be live to the public. Jesse's going to work uh kind of clean up the list and we'll adopt our priorities list of again kind of what we're trying to do. Obviously, that's not the whole list of what we're trying to do in general. There's a lot of other things that happen, but this is just uh kind of a priorities list that we're working on. Um back to the motorized bikes uh from this is from the senator now. uh actually was in the same meeting that we talked about this um that uh they're working on a state bill, which is a good thing because that's what we wanted. You know, we we kind of got sick of talking to to our police chief and he's like, "Well, you know, South Lake does it this way and or police does it this way and you know, and then at Dakota Trail and you know, let's have a state thing." So, if you're on one of those, you know, electric motorcycles that go 80 miles an hour, you know, you're probably not going to be able to do it. not on our trail anyway. Um, but we'll see whatever the state passes. Now, they're meeting with, you know, pro bike people and, you know, cops and, you know, public safety officials and people like us. So, uh, it sounds like there's a probably something reasonable that's going to happen out of there, a positive thing. So, that's good. >> Uh, and then, uh, fire update. We're still working on uh getting through our uh pension uh with with uh Mound and St. Bonnie and seeing if we can reconcile the two to continue this uh joint powers effort. Uh we'll see how that works out. If we get through that, then there's the budget of the JPA if if that works out too and then uh going live. So, and then of course all that will come back to you to to council before we ever, you know, make a final vote. Um, so if anybody has any input or want more updates on that, please reach out or reach out to Jesse as well. Um, yeah, you said our annuating TBD, >> right? >> Uh, April 22nd, uh, 5 to 7ish. We don't know exactly, but not set in stone yet, but we're going to kind of officialize that probably in the next meeting or two. Um, so more to come on that. So, right, >> you want to kind of save the date, go ahead and then we'll hopefully more to come on that. >> Um, I think that's I think that's all I have. I wrote down microphone. Why did I write down microphone? >> Need a new one for that. >> Oh, we need a microphone for the event. That's what it is. >> Oh, yeah. >> Cuz our microphones are always crap. >> Oh, you mean when you're up standing? Podium. >> Podium and a microphone. >> You need a microphone. A better microphone. Microphone, not megaphone. >> The one that the at the fire station is not good. >> Um, it kept cutting out and it was just it was embarrassing. >> Uh, and then remember we had the one at um the uh remember we did the recognition event at Surite? >> Oh yeah. >> Remember that? It was not great there either. So, we got a brand new TV. >> It looks It's wonderful. Now that you got it operating, it's fantastic. >> Yes. Thank you for >> whoever was all involved in that. And this is so much better than that projector in the back. So, >> yeah, >> we're keeping it there just for shame or something. >> Um, next, uh, council meeting is Tuesday, January 27th at 6. Uh next we're going to have a concurrent city council and planning commission workshop uh at 6 uh probably sitting out here. Uh Jesse or anybody at the city have any reports? >> I I'm just going to mention you may have all received an email from the Minihaha Creek Wershed District. There's a they're they're kicking off their 2027 plan on the 27th. So, um, at the Maton Community Center, there's a there's a kickoff meeting at 9:30 to 11:30 a.m. Then there's an evening one, which we'll of course be here for. So, I would only ask that if for some reason a multitude of you are planning to attend to let us know. We'll notice it to the public. Um, >> I'm not signed up. >> Okay. So, we probably we'll probably notice just because I think >> I think some planning members may be going too. The other one is that last time Matt was here, I think we talked about trying to do something for the public for um the water plant phase 2 uh infrastructure that's going to be underneath um 110 commerce. So that as of today is set for February 26th at the Gillespie Center from 3 to 7. So, we're going to circulate that for the business owners and the residents that are going to be affected by that. Um, trying to sort of capture the daytime business crowd by starting a little bit earlier and staying there just a little bit later for those that can't make it. So, we're going to try to sort of flood the zone with information this winter so that when the summer comes and we're disruptive uh with that work that they're all sort of aware what's going on. But that'll be on the that's a Thursday, the 26th if you want to come. Obviously, we'll notice it for that as well if you'd like to see and we'll be well represented to by staff. >> That's really thoughtful to do for the businesses because that's going to be a mess over there. >> And we're putting the newsletter, too. >> Yeah. >> So, hit it'll hit every house. >> Yeah. >> That's great. >> Ahead of that. So, >> businesses, >> mayor, you mentioned we have a workshop at 5 on the on the 27th, right? >> Before our next council meeting. >> Yes. Uh we will. It'll likely be. >> Yeah, we'll Yeah, we'll notice that, too. >> 5:00 on the 26th. >> 27th. >> 27th. >> I have 26th. >> Is it the 27th? >> Tuesday the 27th. >> I have Tuesday the 26th. >> Our next council meeting >> the 27th. the Tuesday >> which to clarify is the same day as state of the waters the >> right so we would probably >> you're talking about January 27th >> January 27th workshop okay I just wanted to confirm but I was >> I'm glad you said that because I didn't have it on there >> does everybody have that same >> we're doing a workshop before our next meeting >> at five o'clock >> yes and that's planning right >> it's planning >> no It's not. >> It was planning. >> What's the workshop for? Pardon me. I There's so many workshops coming up. >> There are What was this one for? I don't remember. >> That one's going to be uh likely that will be commission interviews likely again. Um and then Yeah. Sorry, there's a lot of sevens on our on our upcoming dates here, but so January 27th will be our next meeting. We'll have a workshop before that. >> And what's the workshop for? >> That will be a commission interview uh workshop similar to what we did with the planning for >> docs. Okay, thank you. >> And then February 17th is the concurrent meeting with planning and then February 26th, which is the Thursday, is the open house and uh >> I believe our next regular meeting in February is the 12. >> Could you send us out a little? >> I will be send us all those calendar. >> The more the longer I talk, the more I'm realizing we need a we need a a >> I will send something out. Yes. >> Thank you. Then in April, >> after you start using the meeting request on teams, >> is that it? >> That's all I got. All right. Can I get a motion to adjurnn? >> I'd like to make a motion to adjurnn. >> All right. Can I get a second to adjurnn? >> Second to adjurnn. Yes. >> All right. Motion and a second. Uh, any other discussion? All those in favor, please say I. I. >> I. Those opposed. All right. We're journ.