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Tonight is November 18th, 20 25 a regular meeting. Madam Clerk, would you please call the roll? >> Member Myers here, member McCormick. Member, Martinez, president member Baldwin Day present member Johnson here, Chair stash your ICE Chip rally here. number of all and happy to be here. Member Silvers member Rivera present member Kercher care. Member present. Yeah. Here. And representative of our here. Chair, constant and >> All right. Thank you. Next on the agenda. If the Pledge of Allegiance. Mr. Mizen to please lead us pledge. I pledge allegiance to the flag the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. As Baldwin Day. Would you please read the land acknowledgement? >> A land acknowledgment is a formal statement recognizing the indigenous people of a place. It is a public gesture of appreciation for the past and present indigenous stewardship of the lands that we now occupy. It is an actionable statement that marks our collective movement towards decolonization and equity. The Anchorage Assembly would like to acknowledge that we gather today on the traditional lands of that tonight at baskin's for thousands of years. The deny to have been and continue to be the stewards of this land. It is with great fondness and respect that we recognize the contributions. Innovations and contemporary perspectives of the Upper Cook Inlet deny. Now. >> Thank you, Miss Baugh Monday. Next on the agenda, him minutes of previous meetings. Tonight. We don't have any minutes from previous meeting. So we'll move on to the mayor is report. Madam Mayor. >> Thank you, Mr. Chair and good evening, everyone. First, I want to thank the members of the public who given feedback on the fiscal year 2026 budget. Your input helps make a better budget. Thanks to the assembly for the collaboration with my team to put together a package of amendments that reflect district priorities, immediate needs and still remains almost $200,000 below the tax cap. When it comes to public safety as a South Anchorage resident to have the honor of representing District 6 on the assembly for 6 years. Wild land Fire danger is always top of mind for me. And last week I was at FDA's town hall on the draft community. Wildfire protection plan. The comment period is open through the end of the month. And I encourage folks to weigh in on the plan. You can go to wildfire dot Muni Dot org, Slash CW PP. The dangers of Wild land fires are very real here. And that's why any proposed budget from me such as the one that you'll take up tonight, you'll see that if these wildfire division is funded, we're very fortunate that this year the division is grant funded. So thank you, Senator Lisa Murkowski, but we're still falling short of community needs for fire and other critical services. Our community is at a crossroads. It's clear we can't rely on state funds anymore and we already rely a lot on property taxes. So it's up to us. Those of us who live here to take care of what we have and provide the infrastructure and services our community wants and needs and to build a future that we want for this place. That's why I introduced a new proposal for a 3% sales tax that I think is fair and balanced for our whole community. It will provide meaningful property tax relief, invest in public safety and infrastructure and create economic growth through housing and childcare. It exempts food, utilities, rent medicine, and medical care and child care. At least 36% of the tax revenues will come from non-residents. This will likely be a long community conversation as it should be. And I look forward to diving into this more with the assembly after the budget is passed. I want to thank public for helping honor our veterans last week at the 11th Airborne memorial at Merrill Field and 2 are all now pass a veteran and the Merrill field director for hosting. It was a chilly but enthusiastic crowd that came together. Lastly, Thanksgiving is next week. So I wish all of you a joyful and gratitude filled holiday and I want to thank all the members of the assembly for your service to our Appreciate all the hours and time that you put into doing this work. Thank you, Mr. Chair. >> Thank you, Madam Mayor. Next on the agenda, it is the chair's report and the big ticket item on the agenda tonight is our budget process. We will get to our budget tonight. If I have anything to say about, going to work until we're done so we don't have to meet every day in December. I want to thank everybody who provided testimony. We do still have a public hearing open on the general government budget. Your input has helped us to make better decisions and we appreciate the time folks have taken to inform us of your. Priorities for the budget. Also want to think the administration and assembly members for very thoughtful conversation on the budget and potential amendments. We are, of course, facing some tough budget decisions to Ripping off with the mayor had just said in the next few years and it's going to take us all working together to figure it out. I would note that I outed a document into your packets tonight that's associated to all the revenue questions. That is a study from the city of Washington, D.C., that's been done annually since 1997. That compares the taxation level to every. state's largest city and then does a comparison of tax burden of each community since 1997. in almost every category and protests come in as the lowest tax jurisdiction in America. So recommend everybody review through that study and look to see what the factual basis. As for the argument that we are in a position where revenue is part of the conversation. I do look forward to a productive meeting tonight as we wrap up the budget, we can move forward. But the good work of the municipality. But also noted on Friday last week, we did have an amazing reception at the museum for first Friday. It was a reception to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the municipality Anchorage Museum. gathered with current and former mayors Assembly members, youth representatives, some school board members. And it was really in heartening to see people of all stripes coming together, putting politics aside and having a great evening of celebrating and actually looking into the civics of our community, which was the civic sphere that was out in the main lobby of the museum. Not only is it a time for celebration, but it was also a time and opportunity to imagine what we can become for the next 50 years. As I said, then I'll say it now. And I believe that our best days are still ahead of us with I will just move on to regular meeting. do my best to move us to the agenda as effectively as possible as it's a business meeting were here to conduct the work of the municipality. Please refrain excuse me, please help to create a climate of respect in the chambers by refraining from personal attacks are speaking out of turn, shouting or clapping and pacing except of course clapping is in order. Please keep science to in half by 11 were smaller. If you have the science also, please keep to ask lyrics of one lined up to testify if you have materials for the assembly, please him into the clerk upfront. Please don't approach the dice. During the meeting. Please stop. Speaking of a point of order is called Simon ruled the chairman rule point of order and the record is clear. Rules aren't followed. The chairman rep speakers to call for compliance of compliance Kerr chairman paused the meeting. There's an actual destruction. The chilling warning if the destruction persist or happens again, the person will be asked to leave. That said It's a nice crowd in the audience tonight. We'll do our best to get onto the business. Of the people. Without them. I think the next on her agenda is. Committee in the U.S. on reports. And so we'll go ahead and start with Mr. Alright, start with Arscott. Thank you for sharing that. The report. Mr. Mccormick. >> Nothing reporter. Thank you. Thank you. Martinez. Thank you, chair. Nothing you as well. Today. >> Thank you, chair. A couple of scheduling items, the infrastructure Enterprise and utility Oversight Committee meets this Thursday at 11, 30 as Thursday, the 20th of November at the Anchorage Municipal Area, Transportation Solutions Policy Committee meets that same day at 01:00PM. So if you really wanted to, you could make it a double header. And then at related to item 10 f 6 on our budget. This on our agenda this evening member rally and I hosted in our Muni our Budget at public meeting, public conversation that we are going to do all over again because we've got some pretty great feedback that that wasn't helpful of it. As far as really understanding how the budget process works. Have a municipal budget is structured. Where new comes from? How funds are spent. And so we're going to do that again on December 15th. So mark, your calendars Monday at Monday evening, there will be food and the childcare and a couple of hours of really interesting conversation about how we do the work of the city and where the funds come from to do that. So and that's what have thank you, chair. Thank Spotted them. Our Johnston. >> Yeah. Thank you, chair. The next meeting of the some legislative committee will be tomorrow Wednesday at 12:40PM, at City Hall. We expect to see a updated version of the administration's proposal for the legislative program. then also this will be opportunity for members to present any amendments that they would like to see incorporated into the plan. Finally on that, I will note that 4 members who have not yet submitted their to district priorities to and is in a class and to please make sure you get that done here. Not later than the end of the week out say. Thank Johnson, Vice >> thank you, Mr. Chair. I have a brief report for the Budget and Finance Committee. First to our normal meeting which would be on Thursday, November 20th is canceled. Obviously, we are working through the budget process now. >> And then on the budget on, we'll get. We'll get to that later. But I will just note for members and the public you received a substitute version for item 13 BA believe the capital budget. We are preparing a new version of that with more detail. So just stand by and then we will. You will receive that shortly. Thanks. >> Thank you. Price fund. Thank you, Mr. Chairman thing to report things from a source. >> Nothing to report. Thank you. Rivera, thank you, Mister Chair, nothing to report. Thank you. Kerr, thank you. As chair of for Mr. Pressure. Yeah. >> Thank you, chair. A quick update tomorrow. Wednesday, November 19th at 10. 45 will be a meeting of the Assembly, Housing and Homeless Committee. We'll have an update from the health Department reviewing shelter surge update and also an update home a R p the substantial amendment. Number 2, also from the mayor's office will have a shelter operations update as well as an update on the micro units. The Hope outreach team will be there to give an update as well. And then Kenny Peterson will be there to talk about the good neighbor Fund update. So hopefully you can join us tomorrow at 10 for 45. Thanks. Thank you, Mr. President. All right. So that them. And the number. So Thank you, chair. Nothing to report. Thank you. Thank you. Madam Chair. clerk, so next we're gonna move on to the addendum to the agenda. But before we get to the dentist gender were going address item that a lot corporate in Tate was the agenda. >> So go ahead. >> go through them. I think that everything is supplemental. To the front of us knew. for their wise, everything looks to be supplemental. So Clinton read through the supplemental items first. So item 10 G 7 be with someone member anonymity. 49 dash 2025. A 10 G 7 C we're 2025, dash, 1, 3, 5, events. The interest will somebody amending. good section one to to adopt a new or from the current corporate. Still in the midst Anchorage, 10 G 70, some a memorandum number 2025. also 13 B, 2020. going to hold off on that. One can read that one. >> Item 13 before some into associated 13, D to 13 Delta to information memorandum number or in some rare 2025. Josh 78 approving the final negotiation execution. The cream use agreement between misspelling encourage don't Port of Alaska Matson navigation company of the last kills his 2 terms of the operation for the cranes located down port of Alaska car returns, an easement and license included. 13 F 6 information memorandum a report of supervisors resolution 20th, 25 Dash 19 resolution of support 2025 dash one 15 S to require short-term rental registration at truck terminals as land use in the residential sums. brings us to the one new item, which is 25 some of memorandum, a numbered memorandum of the increase. Somebody authorizing the crane agreement between a spotty mixed on import of Alaskan Matson navigation company, Alaska. All see the state, the terms and conditions. The purse screens located on your part of Alaska cargo terminals. This item is new. This one will take 8 boats to land the table. >> Move to limit April 2nd motion to around the table. was probably seconded by Mr. Johnson, normally we'd ask mover justify the time. Sensitivity bless the manager. Instead just Mike Pearson. Can you help to provide for us? The rational by which we should lay on the table. The Matson. Crane agreement. That's 10 D 5. >> Happy to Mr. So this is a component. This is a piece of a larger puzzle regarding the purchase transport and installation of cranes at the port of Alaska through an arrangement, a contractual agreement between the municipality of Anchorage. And that's in as one of the users of the port. And so a larger piece of the puzzle has been on the agenda publicly noticed more than a month now. And it's in the thirteen's. And so there's 2 pieces that are on the table tonight to be laid on the table. One is this item, information memorandum which carries the final revised agreement. We had been after presenting to the assembly a few times asked to go back to the negotiating table and try and resolve a few outstanding issues. And so those have now we hope and resolve to the point where the public parties are satisfied, we can move forward. So tonight we have the final agreement as an assembly information memorandum item 13, D there's also an item in that tends that the corresponding crane agreement to purchase agreement goes with the package. >> Any questions from the administration for the administration? Hearing seeing none any further discussion. Ask unanimous consent any objection of playing this item on the table. Hearing and seeing no objection. So we that item on the table. I did misreading one supplemental item, 10 F 8 information memorandum number 2022. Report on tax rates. Tax burdens, the District of Columbia nationwide comparison. Okay. I think that concludes. The lid on the table procedure. Madam Vice chair, you want to notify folks about the plan for the version of the capital. >> yeah. Would when I spoke to briefly earlier so we will be including all of the specific projects that were supposed to be included in that item in the s version. So as to the draft you got, you can discard and then we will have that shortly before we take up the budget. >> All right. So we will go through one process. When we get to that. think you I guess after that, I would go ahead and ask for a motion to incorporate the addendum as printed and distributed in the late on the table items. Some of second. Mr. Meyers. With Mr. Myerson minus probably any discussion. also like to ask unanimous consent or injection. Hearing and seeing no objection. The laid on the table items have been incorporated. So I see a lot of young people here. Raise your hand. If you're from a class. We have a tradition here. We invite you to come forward to the microphone and just briefly, tell us your name. Let's go from what class you're for. So come on down everybody. March forward, please. The microphone is off. You just press the green button to turn the mic on. It's on your good. Now that one more time I was wrong. It's on okay. Please state your name. What school you're from and what >> All right. I mean, think at again, I'm from service high school and I'm here from a United States government class. >> Overcast, a service high school and yes, cuff. >> My name is and it's part El and I'm also from service and also here for class. My name is Hunter Burness. I'm here for the U.S. class and observers My name is Ruben bench and that service also here for cuff. Miami is Bryce Thompson. 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Who's your teacher? This let okay. Amazing. Thank you. >> All right. And congratulations coming your local government operation and tonight is one of the 2 biggest meetings at the here. So it's significant night and I would request if you have the bandwidth, stay through the dinner break in the first items that we take up after dinner break will be the budget which is why it's the most important meeting of the year. At least one of the top 2. Okay. Thank you for that interlude, everybody. Welcome. And next to them, we have no appearance request tonight. So we'll move on to the consent agenda. The consent agenda. Look at our documents are items through 10 G and are typically routine. A non-controversial items such as Ben Awards. New business information reports, ordinances and resolutions for introduction. These items may be approved, accepted adopted by the assembly by a single vote on a motion to approve the consent agenda prior to approval. These items may be pulled by Assembly member for discussion and separate vote on any of the items under the some of rules of procedure, all ordinances and some resolutions. Wow, opportunity for public hearing at a future date. Snow will start by going down the diced asking members if they have any items all. Mr. President, thank you. Chair. No items tonight offer for chair. Thank you, Justin. 84 Mr. Rivera, thank you, Mr. Chair 10, a 3. Mrs 10, a 3. A source. No items. Thank you, Mr. Boland, no items. Thank you. Thank Vice-chair Boeing. >> Thanks. Yeah. 10 B, 3. And then I have a couple directions not pulling first item 10 f. >> For if that can be attached to 10 G 6. Just that I'm for introduction and then 10 G 7, I would like to request to change the public hearing date to the not the first meeting with the second meeting in September December the 16th. So direct that to be done. Clerk. And that's on right. Thank you. Mister Johnson. 10 2. And they too misbah today, 10 Delta 5, please chair. 10 D 5. >> Mister Martinez, no additional items. Thank you, Mr. Mccormack. >> Mr. Meyers. Thanks. Sure. No additional items. that's any one poll, 10 1 ongoing and pull down on. The intent is not to move it tonight as our friends at the respondent asked for a delay for a meeting. Okay. So I have 10 a one. My soft money to Mr. Johnson, 23 must regret ending for Kirk or 10 B 3. probably 10 D 5 misspelled and day with a note on 10, a 4 and a change public 10 G 7 miss anything. So minus those polled items I'd like to ask for a motion to approve the consent agenda. Some of second. But most part and a seconded by Mister Ron, I would like to ask unanimous consent. Is there any objection? The motion approve? Seeing hearing? No objection. The consent agenda has been approved. So for everyone in the audience, if you look any item through 10 f that wasn't just polled individually has passed the body on the unanimous vote. That's what just happened. Next. And we're not gonna move 10. A one, but have 10 a 2, which is. Mr. Bolland, thank you, Mister Chair. I'd like to make a disclosure. recognition resolution in part recognizes the Wild Ice Skating Club of Alaska. >> I am a member of that club and also I'm on the executive Board of the Wild Ice Skating Club of Alaska. We do not receive dues or any other form of monetary compensation. process we go through to determine if an individual member has a personal or financial interest substantial enough to create a conflict, they can't participate. the code provides that all members shall participate. So it's a it's a interesting process to get to the question of whether the interest is sufficient enough. And so. I have a couple of questions. We went through this a little bit before the meeting. It's the organization. The club organized legally. So it's not legally organized, but it does have bylaws. And actions are taken. And you are a voting member. Yes. This one is very interesting. It's not significant and a lot of ways because it's our celebrating. The wild ice movement. If you will mentions the club. I think that we do have provisions in which members can participate in nonprofit boards, but if they're ex officio them, they can vote on those items. But if they have a voting position, the stakes are higher. And I think that I'm going to find at this point that the because you are voting number, there are bylaws that you do have a conflict in our sufficient sufficient in nature that you shouldn't participate. Great. Would it be okay? Mister Chair, if I want down to the floor. But first, any member wish to kind of offer a challenge to that ruling. I don't hear or see anyone soul you properly disclose and feel free. So this item was pulled by Mr. Johnson. Move to approve. probably need to read it first got us out order Tenney to resolution 2025, dash 3.41 resolution image of somebody recognizing the growing sport of wild ice and encourage celebrating its contributions. Community culture, health, Connie and clearing November as well. Ice Skating month now, Mister Jones. Still move to approve second move, Mr. Johnson's second by miss probably. Any discussion. I'd like to ask unanimous consent in the objection. Adoption. The motion. hearing. No objection Item is adopted. Unanimously. Who is Mr. Johnson reading of the floor. Thank you. Whereas Anchorage, Alaska is home to some of the most breathtaking inaccessible, wild ice skating. >> Also known as backcountry skating opportunities in the world, allowing residents and visitors alike to skate across frozen water bodies surrounded by spectacular natural landscapes and whereas iconic stand skating destinations such as Portage Lake Reges Rabbit Lake Potter Marsh and many other water bodies with in and near the municipality have become beloved sites for outdoor recreation and adventure have drawn participants from across Alaska and beyond. And it featured. And featured in both national and international press. And whereas wild ice skating combines the joy of exploration with the benefits of outdoor exercise. Foster's connection to Alaska's natural environment. No flex the spirit of resilience, curiosity and community that define life and a lot in courage. And whereas Anchorage is home to the first ever Nordic. I ski company in North America founded in 2021. to make skate specifically for wild ice further cementing the city's status as a hub for innovation, craftsmanship in leadership in the outdoor industry and whereas the Wild, a skin club of Alaska based in Anchorage has grown to include thousands of enthusiasts and advocates and host public events, educational workshops, safety trainings to promote responsible skating practice is ice awareness and community connection and whereas the Wild Ice Skating Club of Alaska's Facebook community now exceeds 8,000 members reflecting the rapid growth of this recreation and the strong interest among Alaskans and visitors alike in wild ice skating and where as the municipality of Anchorage is parks and Recreation Department contributes significantly. The community skating culture by hot mopping water bodies such as Westchester Lagoon, creating smooth accessible skating surface is an urban park settings where residents of all ages can learn practice and fall in love with ice, getting close to home and where as celebrating Wild, a scheme highlights encourages unique recreational offerings supports local businesses encourages winter tourism and enhances the city's reputation as a destination for world-class outdoor adventure. Now, therefore, the Anchorage Assembly results that November shall be recognized as wild Ice Skating Month. In the midst encourage. That the assembly celebrates the contributions of the wild Ice Skating Club of Alaska, local innovators and the skating community at large for their efforts to grow the sport and promote safety and inclusivity. That encourage embraces its role as a national and global this nation for wild ice skating and appreciates that residents and visitors alike explore celebrate. And Stuart, the frozen water bodies that make our city extraordinary. That the assembly expresses its appreciation to them parks and recreation Department for their ongoing efforts to enhance public access to skating, including the hot mopping of Westchester Lagoon and other urban skating sites which helped foster a lifelong love of outdoor recreation and build community through winter activities passed and approved by the Anchorage Assembly. This 18th day of November 2025. >> Thank you guys so much. We want to thank the entire assembly for recognize November's Wild Ice Skating Month. recognition both celebrates the beauty of Alaska's wild ice and celebrates our vibrant and growing wild. A skating community. While getting it's a part of what makes living encourage such an exciting place. And while that the likelihood of Alaska's proud promote a culture of safety and adventure. So thank you again. And we're looking forward to another exciting season of wild ice skating. Thank you. >> If there's no objection, I'd like to ask change or the day to take up. 24 before 10, a 3. Hearing. No objection. So like to ask unanimous consent. Okay, good will do that. Nexus 10, a 4 resolution R 2025, Dash 3.47 resolution of the Anchorage municipal, somebody recognizing and honoring David's jewelers for its 35 years of service East Anchorage, commitment to community trust, an exemplary resilience. This item was well by Mister. Correct? Yeah. Move to approve check. One of the most corrupt or Martinez. Some here see it. Welcome. Please. Come forward. copy of the floor. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'm sorry. If I didn't, I'd like to ask unanimous consent or injection to the adoption of that. Parents. You objection, clerk, our quick vote. Where S David strollers has proudly served the residents East Anchorage for 35 years, providing quality craftsmanship personalized service, interested expertise to generations of Alaskans. >> And whereas the business has become a cornerstone of the East Anchorage community contributing to the vitality of local economy and serving as a gathering place for customers are treated like family. And whereas David Sures was recently recognized as one of the best of Anchorage by Katie you, Alaska Newssource multiple times reflecting its dedication to excellence honesty and long-standing customer and customer loyalty and were asked despite in during a recent break-in, David sure concerned that every customer's precious items were kept safe, demonstrating integrity, professionalism and care that embody best of Anchorage business values. And whereas determination and community Spirit, David Schuler's reopen its stores. The very reaffirming its steadfast commitment to serve East Anchorage and maintain the trust of its customers. And whereas the Anchorage Assembly, which is to recognize the owners, employees and supporters of David's jewelers for their service resilience and the positive example they set for small businesses citywide now, therefore, Anchorage Assembly results to recognize David Schuler's for 35 years of dedicated service to east Anchorage for being awarded the best of Anchorage multiple times and for inspiring resilience in the face of adversity, pass an approved by the Anchorage Assembly. This 18th day of November 2025. >> Thank you all so much. On behalf of our entire team, we want to express how honored we are to receive this recognition from the Anchorage Assembly for over 35 years, David's Jewelers has had the privilege of being part of this community. We would not be here today without the support of our customers. Thank you for trusting gave his jewelers in the Calais milestones near lives. Year celebrations. Your stories, your memories we've seen for many memories being created futures growing and it's been a blessing with unfortunate breaking last week we've been overwhelmed with the amount of kindness, encouragement in solitary from our compute community. Thank you for standing with us for being in local business believing in local business allowing us to serve the community for so many years. We look forward to many more will be here for you and your next exciting milestone. Thank you guys. Next we have. >> Item 10, a 3 resolution or 2025 dash 3.42 Resolution, Anchorage municipal, something recognize November 20 2025. Stringent transgender day of remembrance to commemorate lives lost in time. Transgender violence. This. Was pulled by Mister Move to approve. Moved by Mister Rivera. Second Miami spot any discussion. Members proceed to vote. >> Member McCormack. >> vote of 9 to 3 in the member votes. >> Yes, Our 2025 dash 3.42 Has passed the body, Mr. Barely reading. Please come forward. If you're here, commemorate the state. On for everyone. Thank you, Mr. Chair, Mr. Mayor. >> Resolution of the encourage municipal Assembly recognizing November, 20th 2025 as transgender day of remembrance and commemorating the lies lost to anti-transgender violence. Whereas in 1998, the tragic and brutal murder of Rita, Hester, a black transgender woman and a lack of justice in her case moved to trans advocate Gwendolyn Ann Smith to launch the remembering our Ted Webb project. And in 1989, she said transgender day of remembrance to honor the memory of Rita, Hester and all transgender individuals whose lives have been lost to. And anti-transgender violence. And whereas transgender day of remembrance raises public awareness of hate crimes, prejudice and discrimination that transgender and gender expensive people face in their daily lives. And it's a day to honor celebrate and mourn the lost lives of transgender family members, friends and loved ones. And whereas violence against transgender people, particularly black indigenous not transgender women of color is a systemic and societal issue that we must collectively committed to acknowledging an ending. And whereas in 2024 alleys, 36, transgender or gender non-conforming people in the United States died by violent means with many cases left unreported or misreported and as has in previous years, black and Latina, transgender woman compromised a disproportionate number of those lost to this ongoing epidemic of violence. And whereas of the federal law prohibits employment discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity, Alaska's human rights statute currently provides limited protections. The Alaska State Commission for you and ranked has narrowed its enforcement now only investigating employment related complaints has removed broader protections from his public guidance, leaving LGBTQ+. Alaskans vulnerable in areas such as housing, public accommodations and government services. And whereas many nonprofit organizations and Alaska Anchorage such as identity Alaska, choosing our roots and native movement are working tirelessly to restore and expand basic human rights, health services and safety for transgender non-binary and gender expense of people across the state and whereas we recognize and honor the bravery and resilience of Anchorage is transgender and gender. Extensive community and advocate for the equal treatment safety respect and dignity that they deserve. Now, therefore, the Anchorage Assembly recognizes November. 20th 2025 as transgender day of remembrance has improved, but they could to sell 18th day on November 2025. Welcome. And okay. >> My name is pause of unhappy being community with all of my peers say accept this proclamation on their behalf, especially but Thursday 26 anniversary for the stay worry. >> Hold our individual, her heart that have Senate ancestors and is also awesome to be here with Oliver who have watch current toddler Hom doing great work that our state needs. Click my name is Oliver tie around receiving. This is an honor and recognizes both my journey in the strength of the broad or trans community and gender, expansive community. >> It's important because it reaffirms our existence highlights or contributions and reminds the world that transgender people and gender nonconforming people deserve safety, dignity and visibility. Every day this acknowledgment helps create more of an inclusive future where all trans voices and all who voices are heard and valued. Plan have a good one. All right. Thank you, everybody. Ok? then takes us to item 10 B, 3. >> 10 B, 3 is 2025, Dash 3.55 Resolution to somebody talking the 2026 statements that program this podium courage put this item right. >> Our chair any to declare personal interest potential conflict. Thank you. us know. Yeah, thank This addresses the municipalities, legislative priorities. I'm currently employed by a state legislator and I have not not participated in the development of this process but also need to put that on the record. >> All right. the position you're making is that because in your day job, you are working for a legislator. You haven't participated and youth. feel like there's an interest sufficient enough. You should be able to participate. 2 minds of this one in the sense that you do have a command to vote. Will you be working for this legislator when the session convenes and they actually start to take on their work. >> No, I will be leaving in early January. >> That doesn't really clarify because you're doing that work. Now. I think I will find that there is an interest fish enough not to participate. Any member wish to. A different opinion Okay. Thank you. Is there a motion to approve? I would like to make a motion to postpone his motion of December. 2nd. Mr. Johnson makes a motion to co-sponsor Sen second seconded by MS Cervera. Mr. Johnson. >> Yeah. Just briefly as a previewed in my legislative committee update tomorrow will be our last opportunity to consider potential amendments to legislate programs that we could have a final version to present the body. And our next regular meeting. Any further discussion on item? If not, I'd like to ask unanimous consent action option of the motion to postpone. >> Parenting objection. Consider that item adopted or postponed. Excuse me. Which takes us now item 10 D 5, which is something memorandum numbered memorandum of Just some of the authors of the crane agreement between municipality of Anchorage import of Alaskan Matson navigation company of Alaska. I'll see the state the terms and conditions a purchase screens located at the Don Young part of Alaska cargo terminals. This one is a motion to approve. >> Much to prove. >> Motion to approve by ball and a seconded by Mister Boland respond >> would like to dispatch with this at this time and then move to reconsider right afterward. >> Administration want put any bonus on? >> I us share the reason for the request immediate reconsideration is that we have negotiated as coming right up to the wire. And that's why it was laid on the table item today. And so we like to if it does pass by move immediately to execution with Matson mess, the request for the immediate reconsideration. Thank you very much. >> But relative to the main motion, the question or is there any element that you'd like to put into the record so that anyone wants to come back in? Listen, they can happy to Mister Chair the primary. The primary reason that we had continued to negotiate in this portion of this package was. >> The amount of damages the municipality could possibly be required to pay to Mattson in the event of a delay in the construction schedule caused by the municipality or the contractor that the municipalities using we sit in the middle of something of a damages sandwich where in the event of such a delay, we would recoup those damages from our contractor and then we would legally required to pay those damages to mask. And our goal had been to try an ally in those 2 amounts. They had been out of alignment in in a previous version of this because Mattson has changed there parameters for how they intend to procure the cranes are purchasing them from the used market within the United States. able to come to an agreement that brings those numbers into alignment and addresses the concerns that have been flagged by this body previously said that's the primary change to grant. This particular agreement from the version that was presented. I think at this 0.3 times in committee, 2 bodies before negotiations. Thank you, Mr. Chairman further one further note, believe this agreement also includes in the event, but that there sale of the cranes. The municipality has the right of first refusal. Any further discussion. This item. >> members, they proceed to vote. >> Number McCormick. >> On a vote of 12 to 0 in the youth member votes. Yes, yes. number there the crane agreement miss Polly of encourage That passed the body, spot. yes, I move to reconsider. go ahead. Motion reconsider has been made a spot a seconded by Mister Johnson responded. >> Yes, thank you. I would urge my colleagues to vote now on the reconsideration. >> And the further discussion. none members may proceed to vote. Number McCormick. And the vote of reconsideration to 0 to 12 in the youth member votes. 3 considerations failed. Tony students out there. What that means us to item can't be reconsidered. Meaning can't be picked up within the next 24 hours and changed its concluded. And so without them, I believe we have concluded our consent agenda. We will be back probably around 15 or 20 after the hour or so to all you. Students don't go anywhere. The interesting part starts when we come back. So that will be back at our dinner break. >> If she he used ♪ It's so. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> It may be ♪ >> was >> just, know, so? ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> We're going to get started just a couple minutes. Mr. Mccarthy on the phone. We're just about ready to get started. Thank you, everybody. But tonight, as always. Work in progress. Madam Vice chair, I believe emotions change during the day is in order. >> Yes, thank you, Mr. Chair. I move to what say. The intent is to take up the budget items for. So I mean, read the order that we are intending I can find it and then I will also say we are about to get the new version of the capital budget. But we realize that members obviously need time to digest that. So this order is going to include. That coming at the end of these other pieces so that we can clear some of these other budget items. So I will move to change the order of the day to take up 13 a. And then 11 a 11 b. 11 C. 11 D 11 e. And then we will go back to 13 B and 13 C. And also I'm going to add 13 D and I can speak to that. over >> What you just listed different than what's up. >> Yeah, and I can speak to that. So 13 be as the capital budget. So the rest of the list should be accurate. But we are moving the capital budget to after the elevens and they're updating that. So now that should be know, you're right. >> So there's a motion to change the order of the moved by Probably seconded by Mister. All it wasn't second. Thank you. Take up 11, ABC, D E and then 13 >> 13 C and D probably will have another conversation at that time about another update to the order the day. >> And so with that, then, public hearing on. Oh, I'm sorry, like to ask unanimous consent. Attorney the motion to change during the day. hearing none. So that unanimous consent. But where the day has chance. We'll start with item 13, a, which is a continued public hearing item 2025, dash 106 ordinance of the municipality Anchorage topping appropriating funds for the 2026 general government operating budget for the of Anchorage public hearing on this item is now open again. And it was to be heard on this item. Hasn't been heard. I'll read it again just for fun. 2025 dash 106, on a sixpence. Municipality of Anchorage adopting a perfect and funds for the 2026. General government operating budget for the municipality Anchorage. The public hearing is now open again. wish the none. Public hearings and now close. What's called. move to approve second. >> Motion to approve funds for second by Mister on this problem. >> Yeah, thank you. going to outline a little bit about the process overall and then it will turn into my co-chair. So first, I want to recognize that this budget process has been very collaborative. So I want to thank everybody for that. Of course, we also need to vote on this. And so we all have the power to do that. But I also want to recognize that this is the first time going through the budget process for one-third of the body for 4 of our members. So thank you all for in particular for really digging working hard to understand this very complex budgets and to really look for how you can accomplish your goals are how you address those priorities. So we know this is a challenge to really take this up. It's a very complex item and try to figure it all out in the space of a few weeks. So thank you, everybody for your patience as we move through this. We also very much appreciate the collaboration with the mayor's office with the Office of Management and Budget with our budget analyst, Mr. Frayne a and with departments really in both branches. We really strove to find a balanced approach. I wish my co-chair will speak to in this omnibus amendment and really in the budget process overall. So I want to also thank and I will point to item 5 that we already accepted this evening. Thank you so much to the Budget Advisory Commission for your resolution of recommendations. I know some of them are specific to policy choices in the budget and others are around continued engagement and collaboration on looking ahead to what our budget should look like. So thank you all for engaging in that. And I'm looking forward to working with you further. And then with that, I was just very briefly speak to the process that we will go through for this particular item because we know there's a number of amendments and then I'll turn to again a coach or to speak through the Omnibus Amendment. First, we are going to take up the Omnibus amendment. So that is amendment one in your packet as you'll see, it has a number of items that were brought forward by members that were discussed on November 7th at a work session and many of the priorities, of course not. Everything was in there and members are invited to speak to items that were not included or or 2, of course, move them if you would like to as well. So we'll do that first. Then after we are done debating the omnibus and take a vote on however, that shakes out. We will take up individual amendments for members. So if you look, the package doesn't have numbering, but if you counted Page 13 or you look to amendment to, that is the first of the individual amendments that that we will also expect members to bring forward. As I said, invite encourage members to speak to your specific priorities during the omnibus affair included in the debate or if they were not included. But they are relevant. You'd like to bring them up. And then also know that there is the information about those original amendments in the actual You can flip through and read back to what each of those is based on what the member who sponsored them brought Leslie, I will note that because we're dealing with general government. We are subject to the tax cap. So part of the function of our budget analyst is going to be tracking as we take up an additional amendments. If folks are proposing increases under the cap. And so we cannot pass amendments that exceed the cap. So just to say, if that if you have an item that is larger than that, then we want to to have that discussion at that time. Lastly, all say alcohol tax, marijuana tax are not under the tax cap itself, but they are limited revenue sources with dedicated funds. And so similarly, you would need to be consideration or consider it if your amendments would exceed the estimated revenue or available fund balance for those So there are some parameters on this debate. And with that, I will turn to my >> just want thank you. I think I will. Before I launch into discussion. Go ahead and move amendment number one, which is Omnibus Amendment second. Motion to amend by Mister on second, minus Prime strong. Thank you. So we have the opportunity to work collaboratively with the administration and I'll just member probably faster. Bali. These past few assembly members and municipal staff have engaged in thoughtful conversations about what services we need in 2026 and what we're willing to do to pay for them. Thanks to a close partnership with the Office of Management and Budget. We are walking into today's budget. But what with nearly net neutral changes to focus resources on shared priorities for the municipality. Some of those priorities that came forward. We're additions such as funding an extra day for seniors who are 65 and years and older to have a fair free bus ridership day. In addition to Wednesday, we want to add a day. My colleagues well recall that just recently we made bus ridership prefer those 18 and under. And so we are just trying to find ways that we can increase transit opportunities to the needs of residents to get to their essential destinations. At the same time we heard from some of our colleagues about how do we how do we strike the right balance when it comes to. The limited revenues that we have. And so what this on the bus present, amendment doesn't actually brings us further under the cap. Then the mayor's original proposed budget by about $24,000. And as the mayor stated her report, should this on the bus amendment passed that would put at about $194,000 under the cap. So with that definitely as Vice Chair Bell, he stated invite members to speak to any of the items they feel passionately about. Now within the on the bus, but urge your support. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Have anyone else in the queue? Mr. Kercher, thank you. Mister Chair. I'd like to move to amend Amendment one. >> I'd like to move to amend specifically the production for non recruited positions, change that number back to 850 $100,000 Reduction. >> So there's a motion to amend the amount of 850 1000. Addiction is their second. Second second, Mr. My some movements, Kercher Mr. Myers. >> Yeah, thank chair. to real briefly and probably to the overall concept for anybody who might not be familiar with that. So what we did here is we we targeted chronically vacant positions throughout the entire municipality is positions that are funded that are not being recruited for and they're vacant. So so we initially the parameters we've given was was a two-year look back positions that have been recruited for for at least 2 years. And then that came back about 8 positions. And then upon further review, which is where we got the original 850 some $1000 number from upon further review between the HR and on the department's, they came back and see what actually companies don't actually fall within this category. So we're gonna go and pull the switch is where we see this reduction in. However. About the same time that we've gotten the two-year look back requested data going back to a year say, hey, show me all the numbers for the positions that we haven't recruited for at least the last year. in a position that's been faking within the city departments that hasn't been recruited for for at least a year. Let's let's see what can't cut some of that money. So such as you know, money flowing around the city without any appropriations or oversight from the legislative body. Speaking with Zone B. And I'm sure director, you'll have some some comments as well as speaking with on the just a few minute moments ago. Upstairs, it looks like there's maybe about 15 positions that would fall within that category. But they're still doing some final calculations. So my amendment here is to get us back up to the 8.50, which we know 50 covered a position know that there's at least 15 out there that could potentially knock down a little bit. So this gives us a little bit more of a reduction here and then we can fine tune and 1st quarter visions. Thank you, chair. >> And the Q, Mister President. most proud. Yeah. Sorry for the clarification. I was trying in the queue before Mister Garca about like machines. Not working, but actually do have a question about that. amendment. >> We're on one E. Is that correct? Just to make sure I'm on right one. Yes, okay. And then the actual amendment is to change it from 175,002 what is the what is the new number? 850,000? And then I guess what my questions like to hear from director about the impact of change if thinks. >> Threw the chair member press media and member. I will say that the back and forth on the dollar amounts in the actual identified position is true to what member Kircher said and the impact of increasing at this point from one 75 to 8.50, would mean that without conforming language allowance, meaning the amount is confirmed with with the clerk and ond to be the intent of vacant non recruited positions when we actually get down into the detail, it may be less than $850,000. And so I would say that one 75 is the number that we know currently we would be able to absorb without impact or operational changes to the department's from the positions that we have seen. And in reviewing the rest of the positions, the intent is to sort of take the guidance of Mr. Barker and some of the other assembly members saying this is how we should look at what we don't include or what's possible to be removed from the budget. And this process has been very enlightening, I think, for for me to be able to see what are the positions that are in that in that state because those would be places to look. And when we look, there are so few that that gives me confidence that our system is working through the reclassification process and getting to the positions that will operationally support the departments. If we change the number from one. 75 to 08:50PM, tonight. I can't guarantee you that we won't be impacting service level operations within the departments. The intent for the amendment and the and the sort of operational adjustment going forward would be to do the analysis of those positions between now in 1st quarter budget revisions and have that conversation with the assembly as part of the 1st quarter process to say with the intent of looking for these kinds of changes. This is what we found. Here's the detail. This is what the departments are saying that if it would impact service level changes at all. Thank you, chair. That's question. >> Yeah, I just have a follow-up question. Can because this to say multiple departments, can you enumerate maybe not for the fully 50 roar. What what department says this entails, that all of them is that some of them. >> D 8 positions that were identified as part of the initial analysis from the 24 month run included a position with Wendy 4 positions within parks and Raquan position within the municipal manager. One position within real estate and one position with maintenance and operations at the radio shop. Going through the positions individually. We recognize that one of the positions in the real estate department is the director position that has not been actively recruited. But that does not mean that that position should not be filled. The reorganization of community development and public works and the recently announced changes in staffing over their mean that as part of 1st quarter budget revisions, the assessment and analysis to remove the director position from real estate will be part of that organization. I think that position was credited about 194,000 fully loaded with all benefits. So that is one of the items that we are looking at. There is also a part-time position funded in the municipal managers it in the municipal managers, transportation inspection Department that has been identified for reclassification because the recruitment ability of a part-time a position that pays and leave $24,000 a year has not been successful in its recruitment. So that's in que for reclassification from that department. and the position that is represented in that list as part of the nature of the staffing challenges of the last few years. And the fact that one of our budget analyst was actually a director for a little while there. And then we have not read the configured the department, but that is also reclassification right now. So the the park's and rec positions, there are 3 lifeguard positions and one assistant recreation manager position. And those 3 positions have challenges with full recruitment. And we've talked about the lifeguard positions, I think in other the venues and the one 75 number means that we will identify either one position or multiple positions to get us to that level or we will cut the department operations from those departments in order to accommodate the value of the position. That doesn't necessarily mean that that position itself would go away if the department has defense ability for retaining it. But we have not had the opportunity to go into each of those individual positions and get the details from the departments. Thank all just briefly say. >> I appreciate intent of this. And in fact, that is part of partly why we looks to some of these amendments to make reductions. My anticipation is that the room under the cap if we don't feel it, it goes away forever and it makes a forever cut to our budget. And I think there's still a lot of unknowns as what I'm hearing. I think it's a it's a theme that will continue to hear. So I would offer to members that this action could be taken. Now, however, the budget is not finalized until April. And I think that there are potential unintended consequences if we if we make reductions beyond, I guess what is recommended or what anticipated by the administration. Thank you >> Martinez on the amendment. Yes chair. Thank you. Just a follow-up question in terms of the research that you describe that you did with the project with Mr. Parker. Essentially this is this seems like this amendment is looking to for a way to capture. It doesn't use this term, but what I would define as ghost positions. What I heard you describe essentially is that. There weren't. We don't have those coast positions. I what? What I'm hearing essentially is that. Within the current budget. That's operationally balanced. By law. We're required to pass a balanced budget. That this is item that looks at. Positions indiscriminately essentially at a budgetary level, not as fiscal policy level, budgets every level fiscal policy would be. How many folks do we need to do the overall job and you analyze the amount of staffing it takes to do the job and then the revenue it takes to feel those things. This is more about. There are some dollars in the budget not associated with filled positions and it seems like it's low hanging fruit, but it doesn't seem like it's necessarily fun for me. Because I don't know that you described ghost positions. Can you describe a little bit more about in your research? Do we have coast positions? And if if there were 24 or 36 months study. Is there a difference between positions that this assembly appropriated funding for that percent. Potentially previous administrations did not recruit or hire for. Is that something that we are also have a bike and a lag effect on us? Can you describe a little bit more about that condition? Thank you. Threw the chair to member Martinez. I will say that I was smiling through that process because you said what we call essentially ghost positions. >> And that is a challenging terminology because we actually use the definition ghost positions for HR process that involves doubling a position with a known retirement for a short period of time for the operational handoff. And there is a there is a memo process that requires engagement and approval N H R and I believe the minutes manager in order to create those things that also track no known retirement dates or known resignation, letters, et cetera, so that we're able to double up and do that appropriate handoff. So I may not use the term ghost position. Because that is something that we actually do. But >> the what you're speaking to is is that this is essentially a mechanism to figure out if these positions exist. Do do we look into? >> what the timeline is from the last time they were recruited and whether or not they are currently vacant. So there layers that we have to go through in order to have visibility into that and >> 10 positions be funded in this year's budget that may not have previously been recruited for that are vacant. Absolutely. And that's part of this vetting process is to determine. How and when the positions were last recruited for whether or not they're currently vacant and whether what the challenges associated with those positions being vacant might be. >> and >> ideally, you would see that you don't have any of those positions in a timeframe of 2 years out that have not been recruited for. But we do have a handful of them. And there are specific details around each one that that explain why they are in the position they are in and whether or not you cut that dollar amount associated with that position, essentially just becomes operational decrease for the department itself. It doesn't necessarily mean that you are cutting that they can pcn. It is. Procreate for the department to continue operating. Because the operations have changed. And I say that because if there is an administration that's going through a hiring freeze, then those positions are not going to be recruited for at all. And and the look-back of 2 years means that we have the overlap of the current administration in the previous administration to see. Is there anything that has that has lived through the transition process that is still in that category of non recruited and funded and vacant. And what we are able to see. The first analysis is that maybe there are 15 positions total in the 6, 12 24 months roll left within the municipality. When we dive deeper into them and do the line item assessment of each position we're able to determine that that position is a value and should stay with the municipality. It needs to be reclassified or just put out on the street for hire. And do we want to make a cut of that position? That would affect the impact or impact the service level of the department. And we go through that process on an annual basis. When we go through our budget review. But we don't dive down into the individual pcn detail of the entire municipality. So I think it's a it's a particularly intense scrap. The compared to the continuation budget process that can sometimes we've some of those positions in place because of staff turnover at the director level, middle management and the administration level. >> Thank you. I feel this amendment. The original. Amendment included in the omnibus kind of. Moves us in the right direction. Toward looking at positions effectively. But I concern myself with the amended version. Being kind of without necessarily well supported data at that level at this point. So I would not be supporting the amendment. The amended version of the amendment. But I think the the goal of this what worthwhile. Thank you, Mr. Pandey. >> Thank you, chair. I think we're any time where we're talking about budget. It's important to can text realize what it is or where really discussing the difference between the decrease. That's that here in our packet. $175,000 versus the amendment that we're considering $150,000 is $675,000 which represents. >> 0. >> 0.1% of the entirety of the municipal operating budget. So if we were imagine the entire budget as a whole dollar. We're talking about one 10th of one penny like that is the conversation having right now is about one 10th of one penny and I think based on what I've heard from the director at leaving that one 10th of one penny hacked. While we continue to do some for their study of what our staffing needs actually are. And while we are reclassifying positions under a new administration one 10th of one penny seems. Like a risk that I'm I'm willing to leave in the budget for purposes of clarity as we get into 1st quarter budget amendment. So I will I will not be supporting this moment. Thank you. >> Anyone else on amendment to amendment. Seeing none members may proceed to vote. >> Andrew McCormick. >> On a vote of 3 to 9 in the youth member votes. No. Amendment to amendment has failed back on the main motion. Excuse me, the amendment to the main motion any violent. >> Thank you, Mister Chair. I just want to point The assembly, the legislative branch, we do have a little bit of skin in the game as well on the bus. We were able to work with legislative services to come up with a small reduction to our budget. And I you know, not only did the co-sponsors bring forward some ideas around that. But member Press for Diaz has spoken and some of the work session. So we've had about relieving intentional with with our budget and our needs versus wants. So just want to highlight that. Thank you. on the amendment. probably on the amendment. I know we didn't. Actually we voted to. >> I want to do Yeah, we know. we are on. Right. But in the Know we're on the Omnibus Amendment. Thank you. Okay. I'd like to move blame it on fire here. I'd like to move Last like like to move to remove item one h from the omnibus. If I can get a second for for discussion my life. So there's a motion to amend the amendment by. That's for Yeah. >> Who was second possession? moved by Mister President yesterday. My source, Mrs thank I during session we able to really to debate this. So I I'm bringing the floor now for discussion. >> I supported organization I have for a long time and has done nothing to do with this particular organization. This is simply a concern about process. I'm always concerned when during a budget process we are we pull out specific money for one particular organization and and deliver it to that organization without a competitive process without going through any other of our normal problem, proper process I think that there's this organization is worthy. Certainly, but I would prefer that that that there's other ways of funding organizations that feel more fair. And so I would just encourage my colleagues for for this process that we pulled this this fund funds out and not directly fund one organization through a budget process, even though they are worthy and it's a good cause. There are many organizations with many good good causes. And so that's my my plea to remove this from the Alamo in a bus. And there's many other opportunities for this organization to receive funds from the municipality. Thank you, Thank Mr. Yes, this on the amendment just this is mostly a process known. I will say when the cultures were discussing a marked the omnibus, we did debate whether to put in the on a bus are not my or run it separately. >> And then I will also just note. So there was a actually all that for another time. So I just this is a dad process less and what we know what we include or not, sort of on the amendment. The amendment, though, not on the amendment. >> Mr. Boland, thank you, Mr. So I have a different perspective member Press for DIA. I think that ultimately we are the appropriating body. And while appreciate the effort that has been put in, you know, specifically regarding the Ace the marijuana tax revenues to have a board make recommendations to us. And I know there are Very smart people on that board have come forward with some very thoughtful recommendations I think that we also have a prerogative is duly elected officials to move forward on initiatives or to make direct grants to organizations who we feel strongly are doing good work in the community. And to me, community needs in the past. We have funded grants to best beginnings, be the alcohol tax however, now we have the the mayor out marijuana tax revenues and the focus is. Early education and childcare. And so best beginnings. They administer Dolly Parton Imagination Library program in Anchorage and families can sign up to receive books in the mail. And included along with this amendment in the packet. There's some information about the success of this program and how they've really been able to expand com. The participants. And so I think this fits really well with in the mission of spawned. It's a onetime appropriation. This is I'm not indicating that this will happen year after year. But you know, other. I guess for for me, the other rationale pieces that what I sort of reducing the funding for in the marijuana tax program that came before us. That was proposed. What's for pilot projects? And I certainly appreciate that. There are all kinds of creative things that can get in the community with pilot projects to support early education and child care. But in my mind, we also have a program here that is working and that is having a measure of I think it's really important in the community. Some trying to balance. You know, what's been proven? What has proof of concept versus what are some new things that we can try. And so they're still going to be money left in the marijuana tax overall program for this pilot projects. But I just think that this is this is a worthy recipient as well. And I guess I will just always assert. We have the again, the prerogative to review the recommendations that come before us for many advisory board. For any community council or whoever the group is. But ultimately it's up to us to make a decision that we think is best for the community will have the most impact. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And so us. >> Although I second to amendment to the amendment for purposes of discussion. I do not support it. I just want to state reading changes lives and all you can go further to say that reading saves lives. And so I I really actually support this program. And I think it's very important and I will not be supporting this amendment to the amendment. Even I seconded for discussion. Thanks as part of day. >> Thank you, chair. I am. I think my my concern with this particular item with this amendment to the amendment that A bit >> misunderstanding on as to what the Ace Fund was intended for. And and I feel rather protective in a way that funding because the the intent of that funding was 2. Do you really important, really critical work and uplifting the childcare sector in Anchorage and not necessarily providing vehicles for children to be educated. But for the early childhood education sector, which are 2 different things. So while I absolutely support the work of best beginnings and agree with my colleague that reading reading does change lives. And and and as phenomenal effort, I don't know that this particular to be the source for a grant to best beginnings, nor do I think that circumventing the process that's in place for the ace Board to determine how a pilot project funds are spent from the marijuana tax is appropriate. So I I will be voting. Yes, 2. And the amendment and its way. >> Thank you. Miss Martinez. Thank you. Chair is couple questions. Maybe someone in the administration can help me. Perhaps it's my colleague who who sponsored amendment in the first place, most of all in. But how do we come to the to this conversation where? This decision is left to us today to kind of seems like. Should been something that. That's beginning been around so long. There is so meaningful. Why are is this a last-minute type of agenda item budgetary item? Why are they not funded adequately in the first place where what's the story? Because? Fundamentally best beginnings could be here. All right. Then can theoretically project that several other groups that do really good work should be identified by name, too. Because best beginnings is well-known brand and they're here. At 11th hour, essentially who can help me understand why they are falling through the cracks. If there's a crack at all or is this something else that are missing of why they're here? Because it's challenging for me to identify one group. When I want the sector to be strong. But I also know that I can bring various individual groups who focus on reading as well. And I think they may be more deserving because they don't. They're not as well known and they don't receive the attention that maybe a group like best beginning. So help me understand how we got this best beginnings here in the first place. Or is this literally somebody just Mr. Volunteers something. Out that, you know, out the hat. 2 men respond or go first just procedurally speaking. There are 2 truths that are. And effect here. One, is that any member at any time can bring forward amendment. >> And the assembly has the right to make grants to individual organizations period. That's one second sight. Is the body as a collective group can decide whether or not that is within its desire. Today. Those are the 2 truths that are in effect here or any member could bring forward any amendment period. So you are within your rights. That's the underpinning principle of this whole conversation. And so I just want point of order. Mr. Martinez, thank you, sir. >> You didn't have the floor, but you made a comment. And I think the comment was valid. But I think that's more of a point of information that you just made. And I just wanted to be clear that. I will let the vice chair answer this point of order. I would just argue that I was talking about process. >> Not speaking for or against anything. Yeah, I >> I guess a rule that the comment was in order. Martinez understand you are seeking an answer from the sponsor of the amendment. Is that right or >> essentially yes. And if I may continue with my point of order, no. The point where been ruled on. But if you want ask you a question, go ahead. I will continue to ask the question with the hope that if other folks have say they won't cloudy and taint. My question and they would use a point of order. Instead to make the distinction between the 2 comments. Now, having said that, I would love to see if again, is this miss to vote something that? They fell through the cracks somewhere? And we're trying to make up the make it make amends somehow or is it something Yeah. So my understanding that this is an amendment idea that I brought forward actually quite sometime ago and in fact, we have funded organization previously a couple times out of the alcohol tax. >> And they sent some e-mails with some information to our public comment email. So you should have that in your inbox and they actually that information kind of got out and the community and they said information and e-mails of support even well in advance of. Work session on Assembly member, amendments so that may be the opposite is true that it's kind of been in our in boxes so long that maybe got lost in the shuffle. actually came time to have to the work session. You in my understanding is in the past that if you know this. Without the support of municipal funding, it would really restrict the reach that this program even here in Anchorage. I'm too parts of the community like Eagle River, for instance. So I guess for me, I this is something I am bringing forward. And then I find the the information, the company information that was provided to us compelling that that answers the question for me. I appreciate Thank you that. Next in the queue of us Farm. Ok, thank you. guess I just want to follow and say that I do think that this fits in with the goals of the marijuana tax. Any information was provided children who participated in the Match Nation Library had higher rates of kindergarten readiness and similar children who did not participate. They're just I think some good data that has been put together. easy to digest for us and I guess I want to just respectfully pushed back a little bit that any process, but circumvented regarding the case fund. I don't believe that we have to wholesale except the recommendations of that board. Some of them some members that might be your preference. But in my mind, this is the process we received a proposal. We receive the recommendations and then we as the elected officials, not an unelected board, get to move forward with amending that. And ultimately it's up to. collectively as a body. So anyway, I would continue to urge opposition 2 this amendment to the amendment. And I hope that we can support this program. Thank you. Mister Chair. Mr. Press PRI. >> Thanks. Yeah. wanted to provide a little more information. I look back in our record. So in the alcohol tax, this organization win and just providing us for information best beginnings was funded through the alcohol tax fiscal year 20 2350,000 fiscal year. 24 at 250,000. And then this year, fiscal year. 25 125,000. And because each of those times was a one time, it was a roof in the budget and put back in and buy amendment. Thank >> Mr. President. Yeah. making sure that that's really clear that the reason I brought for amendment certainly not arguing the merits of this organization. I I I think very highly of them. As I said, and for me, it's simply completely agree with minister Poland and constant that any member can bring forth any amount of money for any organization. The enzyme. And that's and that's within our right. I don't agree with that. I don't agree that that's that's that's a part of the process that I that I think I think there's a there's a different way of doing it. And so that's that's why I brought it forward and happy to to respect the vote as it as it. Lance, thank you. And what on the amendment to the amendment? Seeing? None members may proceed to vote. >> Mccormick on the amendment to the amendment. >> On a vote of 6 to 60 miles failed. On the amendment. Any further discussion on the amendment? Pritzker. >> Thank you, chair. I move to strike item won't be for amendment one. >> There is a motion to delete item one, B by Mister Kercher, seconded by Mister Myers. Mr. Kercher, thank you, Mr. Chair. >> I am told that we're facing a fiscal cliff. I am told that we have a revenue problem. I am told that we are in a state the union to tighten our belts. And yet I see that we're adding an expanding a program which I think would be a great program to add or expand. But given the timing, when we've got the mayor introducing a 3% sales tax, a one percent sales tax over here, a 5% STR tax, 2% bed tax. turning to the people of anchors and same. We need to tax you more when more of your But by the way, >> we're going to expand another free program. It doesn't make sense. Mister Chair. So that's why I'm moving to make amendment to strike this funding I think would be a fantastic thing to do. But given our fiscal situation as stated by the mayor as stated by members of this body. I said, I just simply don't believe that's something we can afford right now. Thank you, Mr. Chair. >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman, I'm surprised by my colleagues from remarks because seem to remember a recent press release. Where he was supportive of expanding bus ridership for some populations. I think this is an essential service for folks, particularly for for. For seniors who need to be able to get around, including in the winter. And also members may recall from director Rudolph that there may be a slight offset budgetary with anchor arrives, too. I think this is modest its $100,000. And again, this on the bus actually in total brings It increases the amount that we are under the tax cap. So we have tried my co-chair and I to be mindful of those conversations around balance and limitations in revenues. I think it will be interesting as we continue to talk about revenue diversification how can we expand services further? But for now, I think this is a very modest increase. Thank you, Mister Chair. That spot and a half. >> To follow on member of Hollande's remarks. I had a more in-depth conversation with director Rudolph and public transportation. And we we are. Alongside alongside the this increase that we've proposed for transportation for seniors. We're also looking at a change in our contract with the with a contractor who provides anchor right services, which are. Heavily used by our senior population. And one of the reasons I'm supportive of this particular allocation is because I would like to understand how it changes anchor rides utilization, which is more expensive, then bust for transportation. If we make more free bus rides available to seniors. So I believe it's in. This is well worth the investment. Understand how anchor rides ridership changes. If seniors have the opportunity to ride the bus for free. Potentially making anchor rides a program that costs the municipality less and on the whole. I think that's a So I urge my colleagues to keep this particular allocation in place. Thank you. Smart Thank you, chair. So I wanted to just have an opportunity to just talk a little bit about. >> The nature of budgetary verse fiscal, especially because it's been kind of brought into the way we hold account to ourselves. And so just for the sake of educational moment. Tonight, hearing some of the proposals and just now we heard the cities in so-called fiscal cliff. So let's make budgetary cuts. And the nature of a budgetary cut is really within departments. When an item is overspent. For example, balancing the budget. People have heard that before. Balancing the budget. Is an interesting concept considering we legally are required to pass a balanced budget. So the budget is balanced now. There's going to be differences between different administrations. Prioritization is of where they. Utilize the resources within the balance within the budget. >> On the whole, then that's also buttressed and framed by the tax cap. So there's the balanced budget and then there's the tax cap. So what we heard this year is now from the administration >> is that there's the hair is the budget and it is this much underneath the tax cap. So essentially every that makes up the municipal budget is balanced to itself to an overall balance budget on tax cap. I wanted to be clear about that because there may be, in fact, things within the budgeting process that do need to be cut. That we don't need to spend money on anymore. That may be obsolete in some ways I want to be clear to the public that that's not the challenge of the fiscal cliff. Fundamentally, the fiscal cliff is about the structural liabilities that grow automatically every year. And so thinking of the difference between, for example, the personnel obligations that we have. And how they grow over time, health costs. Things that we are obligated to pay meets. For example, things that maybe in the budgetary discretion Pike. One of the items that the members have, his meals, for example. Do you have to have lunch at a meeting? Well, that's a budgetary question. But a fiscal conversation is essentially. We have more lane Miles than we could afford. We have a bigger footprint of municipal service areas. Then we have revenue for. So those things are very different. The revenue conversation to fiscal conversation is different than the line by line annual budget budget items. And I wanted to be clear about that because I think I do agree that there are some budgetary areas that we need to tighten up. But I want to be clear that this is not a fiscal conversation at this point. This is budgetary. This is within a budget. This is when a line item and I do have I know this because I have a couple of amendments later on in the package hopefully we'll get to or fiscal policy related. But to the public. There's a fiscal conversation that Israel and it is different than the line items within a budget. Thank you, chair. I don't see anyone else in the queue on the amendment. Seen here in members may proceed to vote. A comment. On a vote of 4 to 8. This amendment has failed. Did your vote accurately were cracked, reflect? The motion to approve the amendment to cut item. One be from the budget. Madam clerk, can we please reflect that book? On a vote 3, 10, 9 and the number of votes? No, the amendment to the amendment has passed for now back on the main motion. >> And the amendment back on the amendment. Seeing members may proceed to vote on On the amendment. >> And from the permit. Yes, >> vote of 12 to 0. That amendment passed. Passing number of votes. Yes, yes, thank you. Mister Johnson. >> Yeah, thank you, Mr. Cherub just like to speak briefly on amendment. That has not been clear in the packet and I will not be moving tonight but was brought up and presented as part of our work session. That's an amendment that was co-sponsored by myself. Members problem Day and member McCormick and the intent of the amendment was to affect the operation allies, the Anchorage fire departments, wildland division. That division is currently staffed with 2 full time positions and then one contractor and they're all funded through a federal grant and spirit of our amendment was to keep the budget neutral, reflecting the fact that it's advantageous to us to have this federal dollars as a resource. To signal our commitment to maintaining that decision. I mean, giving the essential nature of their work, the threat wildland fire presents to most of our city. We think it is important as part of our continuing conversations about how do we protect our community and where Schar Party priorities like to look at ways to make sure that that. Part of apartments put on a sustainable footing. So that was the spirit of the amendment that we had recently presented overall say that. Conversations I've had recently with the administration and the on director convince me that while that is a conversation we need to have, it does. No se have to happen tonight and I think would actually be advantageous to put it off until we take up quarter one buttery visions. I think there it's been a desire. Sort of fun with the theme we've seen tonight to take a bigger look sort of structured and how is increased fire department's budget. Reflect the actual nature, their operations. And so I think as part of that conversation, which will be back before us here in just the next few months. I think that would be a better time for us to look at how do we effectively operational license division. So the fact that it's not in your packet tonight does not mean that it is not a commitment or that we are forgetting about it or that I do not believe. The essential nature of that division. Is no longer a priority for the assembly or the administration. simply a timing issue. And I think looking at what is the better process to get her to get us to the outcome I still hope to achieve. Thank you. Next. We're back on the main motion as amended. Of amendment number 2. >> makes a motion to amend number 2. second. Mr. Meyers a second and miss Kercher. >> Thank you, Mister Chair and for expediency sake. I'm sure my colleagues who appreciate this all speak probably have a handful of amendments that all kind of fall in the same veins all speak broadly to this amendment and then handful amendments could be falling behind it and then happy to take questions if need be from there. But the France nice a target the low value non essential costs. But I don't think taxpayers should be footing things like discussion or travel office. Remodels new furniture. also going after duplicated functions between the city and the state and then other agencies between city agency to city agency. >> So every cut is precise. I believe it's transparent and it focuses. >> On protecting frontline services, reducing our overall costs without compromising services that residents and employees should rely on. So before we asked residents for new taxes, we owe it to them to trim the waste and right size government. This amendment before you right now is to trim back discretionary travel and for most departments and I believe that this is anything that any of Anchorage family or business would do, which is to tighten the belt things are going on that I thank you chair. >> Thank you. Have missed, bro. >> Yeah, I think you have a question on the director. So I see there's an a number of these listed for each department. I'm not going to ask for an explanation all of them, but I am curious. I see there's 2. There are the smallest, the internal audit budget and the real estate budget. And I was wondering because I imagine a trip out of state is not going to be as cheap as that. So so if you could explain what those to your knowledge, what those are. >> Threw the chair. The reflection of the travel amounts within each of these departments is different in each department. What they use it for sometimes required for their operations. They need to travel in order to do their jobs and the travel process at the it goes through. I believe it's 3 layers of approval initially, too. Book the travel and the purpose for it. And the next step. >> It requires municipal manager approval of that process. And then once the travel is complete and the receipts are returned, then the process is goes back through the whole loop with that information. So that we have 2 or 3 sets of eyes on each travel expense as it goes. When we talk about a department like internal audit or real estate where the travel allowances $1000 or $1500. When we look at their budget to actuals on annual basis, many of these departments don't spend the travel budget as travel. It is a non labor line item that is used for office supplies, et cetera. So part of our budgetary process is to review those actual is within the departments and determine if the amounts in each of the representative line items is appropriate for their operations. When we are looking to and across the board budget cut by category. Ultimately, it is just a non labor cut to how the department is operational ising it unless the specific limitation is no travel is allowed. The statement of discretionary travel means that there are fake Haitians being planned in these departments and the review process essentially assures that that is not part of our travel allowance and our overall travel budget within the municipality is 275 approximately $1000 for all of general government. Our actual vary depending on the year and how many paramedics we haven't paramedic school or how many different kinds of responses the police have had to make to lower. 48 jurisdictions for their work process. We also have a legal requirements to for cases related to the port or other departments that are in other jurisdictions where travel would be required to participate in those processes. And so the intent is noted the the tightening of the budget is heard. In terms of that, these are places to look. But we need to ensure that these dollar amounts are reflective of their actual travel and that it does not impact their service level or their operational the requirements. And that will be part of our ongoing process to scrub this. $75,000. And what it is used Quick. Safely. We're coming to the end of the hour that we have for the debate on this item. >> Is there a motion? >> Move to extend debate for another 30 minutes. Second. >> So there is a motion to extend debate by 30 minutes moved by MS probably Second Amendment source. Any objection to the motion? Seeing? No objection will be extended and tall 708. >> Thanks. Sorry. I just I appreciate the broad look, if you could just briefly state, for example, internal audit, what that travel budget in your. Prior research is. When we have departments like internal audit, travel budgets. >> Are likely spent sands on fleet vehicles and the gas expense to travel back and forth between our municipal departments to do their job. You know, when we're looking at a line item of $1500, that is very small amount in terms of what we would be able to achieve with traditional idea of travel when it comes to. fleet and gas and the overall non labor budget with an internal audit entirely. This is a significant non labor cut to internal audit. If they are not actually traveling to the $1500 level on an annual basis. Then this is a non labor Department cut that they will have to absorb. And there other expenditures, supplies, etc. And without doing the analysis of what that really means for their teeny tiny non labor budget, we could be impacting what they're able to produce an heir. Thank you. A Yes, so I just would like to understand a little bit The term discretionary. >> And so my question is, is all of this travel discretionary as it was called or some of this for training purposes. It sounds like some of it is gas. Is it necessary meetings, you know, necessary of legal things. And so I just really want to understand, assist discretionary travel as it was Calder. Is necessary travel you know, like, for example, and I might actually ask the sponsor this amendment what what does the fire department travel like? What does that include? >> Well, I mean, I assume that the fire department would be traveling to could be going to conferences, that sort of thing. You know, they have chief. Jordan is a shuns and whatnot. They might be participating in >> do I do believe what director browse just said is is more in line what I was thinking of this amendment, which is this is a they are so we're not saying through this a minute, there will be no travel. We were sent were saying, hey, here's money. You've set aside for this. We're going we're going to take that away if they want to still traveling for, if it's a worthwhile conference to that's worthwhile and ever and it adds value to the municipality. They're still able to take that money through their turn on labor line items, It is interesting. I do believe director, if I heard you correctly. We just put for internal audit. We put $1500 here. But that's not actually what is being spent for. And so I think, you know, Tiger counting on, we're actually spending our money on so we can actually exercise our oversight is the legislative branch point of information. >> I think you past answering my question. >> All right. Thanks. So I have in the queue, Mr. Mccormack. I wasn't just okay. Yeah. Good Okay. So. >> I mean, I guess we don't have any idea that if the fire department, for example, a travel for training class, you know, our or ongoing learning. >> Mister McCormick. >> Thank you. And please let me know my audio of the comments. Unintelligible. But I just want to agree with number Ger, Karin, that. During this trying budget time. If we're talking meeting to introduce multiple sales taxes that that travel is. A good place to start at trimming the budget. Online systems work well for all of our students during COVID work. Well, for many of us. >> Working through that time, it is an adequate proven method. So and as members are occurring, it sounds like we've discussed that doesn't put place a travel ban. It inmates that travel budget. If it is worthwhile, the department's can still travel to them. I would just say it's a good luck. 2 trim our budget in this. In that. Especially by by members and leadership. During this time is a hard look for for our city. And this would be a good place for us to start and earn trust from from members our community. Thank you. >> Mr. Barker. You're in the queue. I know you're not okay. I just have know that there Monday. >> Chairman could be appropriate to ask some questions of members of mean the administration at this time. You have the floor. Excellent. would love to hear straight from the fire department. What exactly does that the fire Department travel budget go towards. >> Good evening. Member Valdes through the chair, Detroit, fire chief for the record. Most of our travel supports a variety of things with training conferences has been suggested. We travel to Juneau each year for the fire chief's conference. We sent firefighters to. The state Fire training conference which rotates around to different states correction different cities on on in Alaska each year. We go on inspection trips to view new apparatus. We have recently made an exploratory trip. To investigate. sent to. Dr Piers to San Antonio and to Seattle to to get their post overdose response. Teams. Things that nature. >> One follow-up question, does to some of travel line item support individuals in the fire department who are traveling outside of Alaska. 2, for example, and get certified as a paramedic and another city. >> No, not not like that. The out of state travel, we go to training classes mostly for special specialties. But paramedic training is done entirely in state. >> And when you do have folks who travel out of state for specialized training, what does that look like? >> It would the best example is the International Association of Fire Chiefs Fire Rescue International Conference, which offers leadership. Budget management, culture management, hazardous materials, all sorts of different topics of interest to the fire department. Ok? Thank you. Chief high Priest. You're welcome. Thank go too far, Mr. Thank you. Chair. >> Question 2, 2, having heard this question to sponsor of particular moment utilize the word surgically. Is that an overstatement relative to? Had you done, >> I don't buy item line by line. >> Related to the needs of each department's travel needs. Have you did you do that? What we're hearing like, for example, we just heard a myriad of ways that there's almost required amount of travel. Within a one apartment. But you have an inventory across multiple departments. Do you do have an inventory of each department's required travel? >> Known Mister Martinez. Again, I'm not saying no travel. I'm saying that we're going to make 8. We're gonna make it cuts to the non labor. A line item within the departments of if these conferences that the fire chief is saying our. Worth while they can still go to national, answer was answer towards the answers that this is a cut to the non labor line items and then within each department which we did go through line by line. So I understand what you're saying. So essentially you don't have an inventory of that particular items that you describe icon hold on. Hold on. Hold on. We're starting to >> fall out of the rules of order here, Mr. Martinez says the floor. Thank you. And I just wanted to confirm that I may agree with Mr, but but essentially the language of surgical was utilized. And the reason I think that's important to particularly hone in on is because there are created expectations around these conversations that don't scene to be meeting the mark of the language of the rhetoric. And I think that's really important. And so from my vantage point, thank you, Chief. I've heard enough, I think from hearing on be director. I also heard enough with respect to the the grand you on a tour of some of the information that may be required to move on some agenda item like This amendment. I think I've had enough information. Thank you, Chief. Thank you. Chair. Thanks have myself. Thank you, Mr. Johnson chief. So this amendment is proposed to reduce travel specifically. It's a struggle on it. Not just a general reduction. And so. It's asserted that this is an effort to, quote, trimmed to waste. A pretty heavy claim I do appreciate my friends and solid waste service. You can see a way to turn waste into energy. But the reality is this budget has been trimmed in trend interim for 50 years. Inspections of new 100. million dollar Quitman is waste. And inspections or travel to. Inspect overdose treatment programs in the the sailors waste. That waste is cut out of your budget. What would you have to? In order to just find by virtue of deciding you got another priority. To make sure that that waste gets taken care of. Right. So really frame it slightly differently. It's been asserted that. All you have to do if you want to travel still, even though you're the proposal is to 0 at your travel budget is find it to come from somewhere else. So do you have pools of money that you can just pull 30 $40,000 out of. Well, we are. We have we have a budget imbalance. It structurally we out of balance in the fire department's budget. We each year. Overspend significantly are non labor budget for fuel medical supplies, apparatus. Part engines breaks. All of the non labor expenses over. We overspend were not adequately resourced for those. We have adequate money in our labor budget and so it critic run and run for us. So if the question is, do I have not labor funds that we can use to pay for travel? The answer is no. That's all I need. Thank you, sir. Right. The reality is you're running a tight budget. You are under-resourced already. You have high demands. Your staff are running in circles, picking up more calls exponentially the flat funding continues. And yet there's an argument made that its ways for you to travel, even though when you're traveling you're doing due diligence on million dollar equipment that we're going to take possession of and drive up the highway. And once we take possession, that is our U.S. no matter what happens. And so it just it. Defies credulity to. Signal to the community that there is a wasteful budget. I'll just end there. This bold thank you chair >> The the suggestion that when you have a household budget and things get tight around the house that cutting discretionary travel, cutting a vacation to Hawaii, for example, is the appropriate move. I think as as a point, well taken, however, the municipality is not household. And that travel that is done within this municipality, at least and this administration with the procedures that were laid out by the OMB director are designed such that. Vacations are not a part of the equation. The travel that as I understand And and in the phone calls that I have made it to some of these various departments to understand how they use their travel budget. Is that it is being used in the service of the municipality, whether that is for employee training, whether that is for understanding best practices and other places, whether that is driving around to inspect various restaurants in our community, that these are the functions of the government. Sometimes government has to be on the move. That means travel budget is warranted. household this travel budget which we are proposing to cut across multiple departments constitutes one 300 ths of a percent. Of the entire municipal operating budget. 1, 300.0 3%. That is a tiny number. I simply cannot be convinced that that teeny tiny of a cut amounts to surgical. I think it amounts to negligible. And it also hamstrings departments like the fire department. Who need this kind of this kind of funding or at least sky funding to be able to do their work and adoptable level. So I I cannot I cannot support. I am in favor of making sure that when we travel, we do it for good reasons. And we do it purposefully and we do it in the service of the community. Absolutely. But a wholesale cut travel budgets because where like wading into taking a vacation that is not same thing. So I will I will not be in voting in favor of particular budget amendment. Thank you. Mr. Beaumont. Thank March I have a question for the administration and >> I should probably know the answer to this. in the private sector, a lot of times when a position is negotiated, someone is hired for instance, for myself. It is very common in optometry if you are hired at a group practice part of your employment package will be continuing education. You'll get money to attend conferences. Do we is that anywhere within municipal employee contracts where that sort of travel or continuing education credits are included in their employment package. >> To the general not specifically, there are some instances of departments paying for, for example, some in a mall out to prefer to support continuing legal education credits required by municipal turns, but not in the manner that I know. I experience in the private sector of saying these sets of Dusan these sets of expenses for training will be automatically covered. Buyer employer as discussed. We do utilize travel to be able to make sure a number of our skilled professions are adequately trained in the apparatus that they operate and the critical functions that they perform. But we don't generally negotiate employment contracts to express include any kind of traveler training. Thank you. Appreciate that. I guess I just bring that serving the broader context of recruitment and retention. >> And trying to have good professional folks working for the municipality and then I think I also want to pivot back to the sort of the same line that member Martinez was thinking in terms of the approach here and how these amounts were settled on. Yeah, I guess my question for the sponsor would be why these amounts are. Are there some in here that are just reductions? Are there any where the many departments with the travel budget was entirely eliminated? Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Yes, there's. >> Some that were just Believe the. believe the mayor's office what actually is not out on her anymore. No, these are these are. Yeah, these are for the fall departments. Thanks. And I guess. Just describe like what? >> Type of analysis, one into settling on these specific amounts. Yeah, thanks. So what I did because I searched budget park presented to us and I went through her department and took looked at there. >> The money that they had allocated for travel and has eroded out. Now, it just just to be clear, though, I understand I have been in government for quite a few years. I understand the ins and outs of executive agency functions operates. I understand that by cutting. You know, $1500 for internal audit. That does not mean that internal audit is not going to. To $1500 worth of travel. Just means is up to them to figure out words that they present in the $1500 a line item in 0 lot line item out because that's a non labor line item. So >> it gets a little bit. It's a little bit wonky here because I know we're talking about travel, but this isn't about any specific travel budget or any specific trip or purpose for why they might travel. It's about a line item that that's an on labor and is and is frequently used, as you heard from the on the director's frequently used as a slush fund for stuff around the office office supplies that sort of thing. So my point is, let's 0 this out. And if they want something specific, they can come in and make a specific request. >> Just want to jump in and say I'm the director never uttered the words Slush fund. Just for the record, OK? No, appreciate the answer. I think. This is interesting. I think for me to be able to support this, I would need to have a little bit more. >> Fine-grained analysis about. What are actually cutting what the value of the travel is for each department and why we settled on this specific amounts. It I don't know for me. It is striking me as a little bit. Shoot from the hip on these amounts. And so maybe this is something we can take back up that 1st quarter. But at this time, don't think I'm going to be supporting this amendment. Thank you. Mister Chair, Mr. Mccormick. >> Thank you. Heather addressed a about continuing education credits. accredited by the American Medical Icm and I'm able to complete all CME through online. So position some our study is highest educated can complete semi's their online means. I think that means for the vast majority of people that he needs to be completed online. Going through the budget. Keep hearing these are small dollar amount. These are small dollar amounts that doesn't add up to much. I guess I I I much money of some of our colleagues that think adding up to millions of dollars isn't much money. I think that's a lot of money and many people in Anchorage this That's lot of money. So so I kind of disagree the notion that we keep adding up little things in the air. They're and not enough worthy to be cut and to benefit the travel. I think many residents in Anchorage, our rightfully waiting with bated breath to see the benefit of travel because we have multiple leaders in the room teams of staff in the room right now that going international have on the city's diamond. They want to do the benefit of that. I think it's right that we be question and be proving that the city that this travel is worth it. >> Thank you. >> All right. I don't see anyone else. Members may proceed to vote. The motion is to. Approve or excuse me to amend the amendment. I know the motions to mend the main motion number 2. ♪ a motion to amend. >> Mccormick. >> A vote of 3 to 9 in the youth member votes. No. failed to pass. Moving number 4. Motion to amend by Mister Kirk or second second, my Mister Meyer's. Yes, senator will be really brief. Like I said, want to belabor the point. I suspect people probably know how they're going to vote. >> But right now we have a couple offs as with any municipality that are doing duplicative work either with a state agency or within other municipal departments are for referring to the increase in critical Rights Commission, which is in charter that we will have a commission, not that necessarily have staff for it. And so my proposal here is to remove the funds for the labor budget for the Equal Rights Commission because we have the state Equal Rights Commission that does the same core functions of what the Anchorage ago Rights Commission is doing. Does not take away anybody's. Abilities to to try and get a grievance redress and then the Office of Equity Inclusion or Equity and Justice, the core functions of this office were originally supposed to data collection and that a lot of what that data is being collected for as could be done within the human resources department were, in fact, is already being done, at least was when I was in senior role in the previous administration. So this would trim about 1.2 million from the budget and not actually, I don't believe. Produce a single service to citizens. Thank you, chair. All right. product. Thank >> So a question for the sponsor. did mention and acknowledge that the Equal Rights Commission is in the I believe the way that that got into the charter is like everything else that was voted in by to encourage people. So if the will of the people was to have that office exist and it is defunded. My question to you is, is how how do you anticipate that those functions required in the charter would vaccinated? >> Thank you for the question. And the voters voted for a commission and the commission is staying intact with all of its commissioners. Thanks. >> Yeah, and I know that the commission also does a fair amount of of investigation work. So I question to Department of Law, is that something that your department would pick up those kind of legal requirements. >> Or >> responsibilities. really thank you for the question. I it's a little bit tricky because often cases brought before the courts commission involved municipality as a party. So we are ready. Do have a fickle partitions at our office to allow in some situations representation of the municipality you know, by our office, but it would get very tricky if we we're taking on all of their connections investigating the municipality would kind of overlook us with complex. I think so. The practical matter so that probably need retain outside counsel if we're going to try to take on that function. Okay. Thank I guess also to Assembly council. Then if it is not an executive branch function, is that something that our branches prepared to pick up as a legal responsibility? >> De actual investigation of Koretz Commissioner Point yes, we are not. Speak to other comments. I do not support this amendment one. I will note that item earlier today which I know the sponsor of this amendment did not support recognizing transgender day of remembrance of a quote that one of the whereas Quant clauses, it notes that the state Commission for Human Rights has narrowed its enforcement to not include discrimination, complaints against LGBTQ+. Alaskans. And so I so that is one area where we know that the state commission cannot pick up that work. We do have an equal rights lot in our own municipality that applies. And so I think that leaves a serious gap. And I will also say as a member of a former member of the Commission, the Budget Advisory Commission under a previous OMB director, our commission was denied the ability to meet because the staff were directed not to support that meeting. And so we had to go through an entire process looking at the code to figure out what is a work session. What is a special meeting who calls those and because of the Open Meetings? Act commissioners are not allowed to communicate with each other outside of the purview of a public meeting. And so even the simple act of noticing that meeting setting the time, setting the place communicating beyond the chair itself so that people know to meet in an open meeting setting is not possible without staffs up. So I think it is important to say that even if the commission exists in name, it would not exist in practice. And that is because of the other rules that are in place that I know that from lived. Experience. Thank you. So us. >> Do you can you explain to >> Talking to the mover of this amendment. When you say that. The state does all this already, what is the role of the state? >> And making sure that we as a municipality meet our legal requirements. Does the state come in to all the different cities and municipalities and do they get their hands and everything and make sure that each one meets the legal requirements by, you know, getting their hands dirty or are they kind of >> watching? And in telling us? You need to make sure that you are meeting the legal requirements. And if you have a problem with that, we're going to step in and stop that problem. >> Yeah, actually going ahead and sidestep staff. That's right. Mister Chair and make a motion to withdraw this amendment. The previous speaker, believe, made some really good points for consideration for us to maybe take a quarter. One provisions. You don't have to make a motion. I just time. And you know, murder count dropped. Okay. Even without with some objection, probably could still remove it to move her and over a long. okay. I clear the and we have 6 minutes left for debate. on the main motion as amended. Amendment number 8. Second, Martinez, Amendment number 8, second, a virus problems Martinez. Thank you. Chair. Tonight we've heard conversations about budgetary come budgetary discussions. >> And then we've also heard. In the face of this fiscal conversation. This is an amendment about fiscal responsibility and it's a little different than but it speaks to some of the intent. I think that some of the my my colleagues have around tightening up or having higher degrees of accountability. So this amendment aims to reduce budgeted overtime in each General department by 10%. And the proposed budget to a price point of approximate reduction to the annual budget operating budget of 1.2 million dollars. And then requires the working with OMB and the administration to give us the understanding of the over overtime history. The primary drivers of overtime. So that we're beginning to get at the structural challenges and then we can reduce overtime to structural policy and rather than just cutting the budgets and then saying, you know, if you cut budgets that staff you higher likelihood to increase over time. For example, this would hold us to some degree. Saying that we want to. Over time in check. And we want to encourage a better, accurate understanding of the overtime history and how we can avoid overtime. Expenditures that are disproportionate to the work that we need done. And so I've had conversations with OMB director and I would share that this is this speaks to a directionality Increasing the ability for. Us to hire folks in positions to do the job. That today's sometimes we are relying on overtime to get the jobs done. And so this is a line. There's you can ask ending of follow-up questions to the budget director. But I encourage my colleagues to approve this amendment. It helps us move in the right direction, getting off over time and check and it gives us. To my budgetary concerned for school remedy toward maintaining our fiscal ship in order. Thank you, chair. I don't see in the queue. Mister Johnson. >> Yeah. Thank you. Since we have you on director here >> I appreciate the the spirit of this amendment. But I guess I'd like to just understand a little bit more about. How we see this actually impacting the work departments are doing. As I understand the the collective bargaining cetera, some would be affected someone not now. I know we consistenly look at departments like if the AP that incur a great deal over time and that is problematic. But they're also doing essential public safety were. Can I be hesitant to necessarily, you know? Tether hands right? So I think it'll be a 2 part question and then take it as well. One, what does this actually mean in terms of? Operationally if we adopt this now and then to looking at this and kind of thinking about. What decisions do we need to make tonight and what are better taking up the Q one? This to me at first glance seems like the sort of thing that perhaps could invite a more fulsome conversation as we take up to one. And so I'm curious from your perspective, is tonight the night or do you think would be in a better position to contemplate structural changes around over time later? >> Through the shared member Johnson, that simple answer is yes. 1st quarter is a better place to have this conversation with the details requested in this amendment provided we would be able to pull the analysis together and make an assessment of where we can cut, how we can cut what the operational service level adjustments would be. 2 on board those overtime decreases and whether or not they community and the body are willing to accept those service level changes. I think that the challenge that we have structurally with our budget process is that we have a continuation budget, which means that we have a baseline service agreement with the community that we are going to do this and every year we take the one time items out and we increase our budget based on the collective bargaining agreements for work units and any contractual obligations for the agreements the municipality has made, whether leases or property or you don't on labor items that we have the the challenge there is that the collective bargaining agreements and the contractual agreements must be paid in a continuation process. We cannot touch them and decrease them, which means that are non labor and and and capital budgets are the places that we can shrink and over the history of the municipality. And you heard the chief speak to this, his labor budget works his non labor budget does not. And that is because as we roll through these continuation processees the non labor increases that the department's absorb. Then continue forward every year. So. >> Apd received. >> Cell phones in 2016 or 17, perhaps. And that was the first time many of these officers had a connection that was municipally provided to the community that they could return phone calls. They don't have offices. They had vehicles. Those cell phones were provided as an operational improvement for the department but are not part of their budget. They have never been added to their budget because the money was not available. To add that to their budget due to the nature of the requirements around Oliver contractually obligated and labor costs. The labor costs municipality are 60% of our budget. And police fire and roads. Make up 60% of that 60% in our total. >> So the way continuation budgeting works means that after. >> 10, 15, 25 years of the same budget, the 9 labor has been cut down as far as we can tighten it and operate the department's the way they are currently operating. Now is the time when we assess. Are those operations. What we want, what we need. And is there a different way to do them? And the intent behind many of these amendments is hurt. We understand that. We want to see the data and information associated with the operations of these departments to be able to make these decisions. But from the body and the administration to say these are the service level choices we have that the department says we could operate here here and here. What does 72 our plow out look like, what doesn't 84 plow out? Look like these caught. What is a, you know, 60 our plow look like and the cost differential between. You know what those models look like mean the community has a choice to make want, you know, better snow response. We want better police response. We want better fire response. And in order to do that, we would need this much more money to do it. But the budget is built in a way that the only way we can do those deep dives into the individual departments is with a committed process that we are going to look at these things to make these changes. We have to look at these things to make these changes because of the fiscal cliff, the budget process itself works. The finite resources we have available to us based on the structure of our government is what we are challenged with. And if that finite resource remains finite, the way we currently have it aligned, we have to make adjustments within our budget and the operations of the departments and these kinds of assessments will be done over the next few years as we make those decisions. So the start to the to the mover of the amendment, I would say intent of this is fully recognized and part of our plan to go through to make the informed decisions behind what our actual spend has been over the last 5 to 7 years with operational needs for the future in mind and realigning, particularly the fire department with its police are with its fire versus medical response and the service area levees associated with that revenue means we need to know exactly how that works to do it right. If we are going to continuation budget going forward. The clerk notifies me that we have expired the amount of time available for this debate. >> Move extend debate by 20 minutes. There's a motion second debate by 20 minutes by fall today. Seconded by probably any discussion. We have like 6 more budget items to get through tonight mind that 20 minutes to on a vote against this motion to extend that. I understand numbers why they would want to. There's no further discussion members. They proceed to vote. >> A >> This is a vote to extend credit. >> On a vote of 10 to 2 in the member votes. Yes, 5.20, more minutes to debate. That's past 808. Mr. Martinez, Mr. Johnson, you know the floor still. >> Yeah. Thank you to say appreciate the answer. And I think it speaks to the necessity of us being very intentional in making informed decisions, right? Because these decisions we make here than I could have lasting consequences that would not be easy to unwind the impacts. And so I would say from my part, I I urge caution as we contemplate these these decisions, but certainly invite the conversation to look tearfully at how we spend our money. >> Thank you, Mister Martinez. >> Thank you, chair. Just a follow-up question. Probably won't be directed. >> Just to be clear, proposal here for 10% reduction in overtime, except we're over time as required by collective bargaining agreement. Grant legally mandated staffing. That's essentially this does not speak. Police and fire are exempt from this essential essentially as well as other core critical areas of municipal functionality. So I think that that's from my vantage point. His is different than with a 10% reduction in other areas on the blind. Not being surgical just being. Spaghetti, tossing on the blind. A 10% reduction in the non critical service areas that are are exempt here by the 1st quarter. How impact our services. >> Threw the chair to member Martinez. If we were to make a 10% budget cut across the board, meaning from the whole 600 million dollar budget. >> Now, as part of on board, I know in overtime, this a specifically in overtime budget, which is approximately 12 million dollars across the entire municipality 20 Million. You're right. >> Ultimately without having the detailed actuals from each of the departments and what they spend on overtime. I wouldn't be able to tell you what impacts would be felt. >> But essentially they wouldn't fire safety. They weren't. They wouldn't be in those areas that would be exempt from this conversation and they would be in other areas that are less critical on the face of it. And if I'm reading the that suggestion for 1st quarter budget revisions essentially, wouldn't that be the time to? Fix it if it wasn't? there was too much of a over Time detriment at this point. If we approve this time, I went to be timing. First budget quarter visions, too. Readjust. >> chair a member of our team. As think what you are saying is can we accept the detriment from the municipality a large and then refined where it comes from as part of 1st quarter budget revisions that. >> Which is essentially what is the opposite of being Yes. >> And and so I would say, yes, that is possible. What the actual impacts to the department operations may be. I can't answer. But if the amendment were to pass, we could move forward with the intent to find 1.2 million dollars in overtime to fulfill the need and then a 1st quarter budget rate. Revisions defends either direction that we go up or down on. So I think it's a it's a timing and process decision in terms of. What decision the body makes will still do this analysis regardless of what he's decided. And I appreciate that last part. >> But from my vantage point, as and as a member of the assembly, the only way we can really make sure that you do that part. From my vantage point is moving this amendment forward. As part of day. >> Thank you, chair. I think it's it's difficult for me to contemplate voting on this amendment without understanding more clearly. Exactly which departments our which parts of the overtime budget of which departments. Are not in fact required by CBA Graham requirement are legally mandated minimum staffing without a list of what that really looks like. I don't really feel comfortable saying. 10% across the board. Let's just like let's just hack it. >> I I do. I do appreciate the suggestion. To request this over time management plan and to understand with more granularity, exactly what we're talking about. If we were to consider 10% cuts in certain places to our over time. I do think there's room for that in some departments. And I think we should take that seriously. To my colleague. I think another way that we could accomplish this and get the information that I believe you're asking for. I would be to actually submit a requesting these things on this particular time frame. So that when it comes to 1st quarter budget amendment budget amendments, we could we could actually have a more robust conversation with better information as opposed to taking a swipe right now and not really understanding what it is we're doing. So This spy conceptually really appreciate In terms of timing, I don't feel super comfortable and I don't think because of that. I'm not sure I can support this amendment at this time. However, and what collage or a nail to request an overtime management plan for the record. Mr. Bolland. Thank March area. I was thinking along the same lines. I think vehicle may better to be a resolution that ordinance. But certainly would welcome the conversation about and over time management plan and really what the overtime tradeoffs are in the municipality because I would adventure to guess that there are instances where over time might be saving us money and so, yeah, someone were to bring that resolution forward. Likely be in support. I think the other thing that gives me pause and why I'm not. Fully ready to jump on board with this. It's that amount. And again, considering the tax cut, tax cap and what might be forever cut and not really having defined a mountain in the language here. Final not to be calculated by on confirmed by the clerk's office. We don't really know what that is. And so I don't have the comfort level yet to move forward on this. But I do think it's important conversation to have. Thank you, Mister Smart teams already spoken twice to the motion. That's probably. >> Thank you. I am actually in rejecting with a stage management interval, which is to say are on the director needs to also sign off another item. So I wonder if members have questions for right now if she if we could release or for a few and then just for members information, the item a 13 BN over to on that item. But it is in your e-mail and then we will get the final package. But in the meantime, you can look there. Thanks. >> All right. We are now the amendment. Any further discussion. numbers may proceed to vote. >> apartment on amendment number 8. >> vote of 4 to 8. number of votes. No. This amendment failed to pass. We have a couple minutes left in the pack. >> Yet Mister Chair, can I combine amendments 5, 6, I assume everybody to be pretty good >> That that fine. So motion to amend incorporating both amendments 5, 6, The second her. Seconded by Mister Myers. >> Mr. and Mr. Chaired is very, very briefly. These amendments are going after membership com's advertising and furniture and refurbishments and handful departments. >> That's that's really the main thing. really, I mean, there's nothing I think quite as entertaining as a taxpayer to be driving down the road here in an ad on the radio paid for by my tax dollars. Santa, how great taxes are. So really think we need to be spending money are advertising money like that. We did not touch. We do not touch that departments with core functions to communicate to the public on public safety matter. So APD AFT. Snow plowing that sort of thing. Thank Chair. >> Any further discussion so versed? >> I guess I wonder about characterization of well, does the fire department have responsibility to communicate things to the public? I would say that they do and then to see assembly have the responsibility communicate things to the public. I would argue that they also do when we're passing policy and legislation. I think it's very important that we communicate that to the public. Is that a question to be a silvers? I don't think so. I think it's just a statement. Copy that. >> Oracle, rhetorical in nature. Okay. Anyone else? I just would offer that. I think the one thing the municipality doesn't do very well as communicate probably to the public, all the things that are happening that are important for them to know. We do the best we can with the resources we With that members may proceed to vote on amendment number 5 slash 6. >> Apartment. >> I was one of 3 to 9 in number of votes. No. It's not there's one more amendment in the packet. A couple more. 79. removed. >> I will not move from that believes Mr. Martinez, he's smart tenants. Yeah, chair. And just with respect to amendment 9, it said another. Look at. Fiscal policy and tightening new positions. Ft ease and productivity reviews. >> This is going to in discussion with the only director. We're going to not move. This man is going to turn into a project and thank you. So we are now back on the main motion as amended the sprawling. >> Yeah, thank you. And we've already talked a lot about this. I will just say more than I think many years that I've observed or down this body, which is not that many. We are going to be looking at a lot of major discussions that will continues between now and April. We set the tax levies in April. So we have time to resolve these issues. We know that there's a lot of unknowns. We have the act for our fund balance. We have me a contract which is an item on agenda being introduced only we know the fire department needs another look. And some of There's a long list of things. And so I really encourage members to continue these conversations. Don't wait till April. And we know there's a lot of folks working on it. And to the point about finding officiants ease and and making this budget the best we can. I think there's a lot of ways we can do that. As we discussed tonight. And so I really, again want to thank everybody for your really active participation and continued work on making this a better city. Thanks. >> followed it. >> Yeah, just want to note that for all of the back and forth here tonight again doing doing a little bit of math about the proportion of cuts that we discussed versus the totality of the budget we want. We are we discussed cuts that total 0.3, 6% of the municipal budget, which means that this body agrees on Lake over 99 and a half percent of the municipal operating budget, which is a good thing. And I think we need to talk about that a little bit more because yet we have a robust conversation here tonight. We did and also 99 per cent agreement is pretty stinging. Good. Thank you. >> Mr. President. Thank you. Just want to give my thanks to the 2 co-chairs of the budget finance. Thank you for your work on this. It was a good product. Thanks. And thank you for administration for bringing forth a really solid the budget and all your work on it. Really appreciate it. It's a cost about a Martinez. Thank you. And I just also wanted to thank the Budget Co chairs for for the wonderful job went work thank the administration for working with with with with the prioritization Ys and the focusing that you see from this body. We may be coming at it from different vantage points. But I think there's there is to the point of Baldwin Day. Great common ground with respect to things we believe in. And then also with respect to the challenges that we may we may see with respect to the way we approach right-sizing government the way we approach making sure we have them the best services for community. But at the end of the day, I believe that we all want the best and it's a privilege to be here with this process. I'm looking forward to voting on this question tonight. Thank you. far. Yeah, thank you, Mr. Chair. You a lot of conversation tonight is on our amendments, but I also want to >> thank the administration for for the budget that they brought forward. You know, all of the essentials that keep our city running. Snow removal things to keep us safe. Like traffic calming. And in particular. I want to thank the mayor and her team up for their focus on support for the Mountain View Community Center. There are a lot of great things in the budget has was proposed by the mayor, but I think are going to drive our city to a bright future. So really appreciate the collaboration. Thank you. Just a note closings were down to the last minute of possible debate. >> The administration done our job, especially working with 12 of us, which is never without its path to my peers who have engaged in this process. Thank you. There's no dearth of mischaracterizations out there about all the hard work that goes into this and about all the things that happen. And so I thank you for died in the hand of the ship over there and getting this to us timely and allowing us the opportunity to take. Work into consideration that we still have a few more of these items to get through. I think you know, it's been said that we debated like a fraction of a percent of the budget. And there motions to reduce That's an interesting conversation. I think it bears saying, though, to a small department, a small cut to the hole is a huge amount of money to their operation. And that's where I think I heard resoundingly from the members. If you're going to come out it with. With proposal to cut to your homework first, don't just come broad strokes because you just don't know what you're going to harm in the process. And so much care is due in the budget process. It's white. That's our number one duty. And so with that members may proceed to vote question. motion to approve 2025 dash 106, as amended. >> informant. >> On a vote of 9 to 3 and the youth member votes. Yes, 2025 dash on the sex as amended has passed the body. Next. We're up. We're going to. Next up. Because, yeah, we I think the change order to take up 11 see next. 11, a is. 2025 Dash 108 an ordinance adopting and appropriating funds for the 2026 Municipal utilities, enterprise activities operating budgets. 2026 municipal utilities, enterprise activities, capital improvement, budgets. First public hearing closed 10. 21 0nd public hearing closed 11 for there's no motion what's well, the body. Mr. Charity to make a disclosure as broadly. >> And myself and Mr. Johnson R and this seems up to we are access issue. Members of the Anchorage Economic Development Corporation, ABC Board. We know that there is some funding somewhere in the Enterprise utilities budget. That is a small amount to that. I can stop you >> So these ex official positions do not actually have votes on the body. And so it's a longstanding principal of this body. You have a duty to vote except for when you have a personal or financial interest substantive enough to make it so you can't. And so in a case of an ex fish, a position that does not rise to level of a personal or financial interest. So you cleared to participate there is no motion pending. Of 2 second motion by probably seconded by Mr. Johnson, Spry. >> Yeah, I urge support. This is our both operating and capital budgets for our enterprises and utilities. And to my knowledge, there are no member members on item. >> Else. Wish to discuss this item. none members may proceed to vote. >> apartment. >> And a vote of 12 to 0 in number of votes. Yes, 2025. Dash 1, 0, it has passed the body next have item 11 B 11 via 2025, Dash 109, ordinance stopping appropriating funds for the 2026 operating capital. But its tankers, community development Authority first public hearing was closed 10. 21 0nd public hearing closed 11 for there's no motion make. Moved to print second move premise probably Mr. Morant. That's right. >> No amendments that I'm aware Urge your support. Any further discussion. none members may proceed to vote. Apartment. On a vote of 12 to 0 in the youth member votes. Yes, 2025 dash 109 past the body. >> I'd like to ask unanimous consent that we hold taking up item 11. See until we conclude with item 13 B, which has items relating to the capital improvement budget. And so. If that's the case, if there's no objection, I'd like to move on to 11 You know, Jack, take up 11 D right now which is there are 2025, dash, 2.97 resolution adopting the 2026. 2031 6 year fiscal program. Public hearing was closed. First public hearing was closed 10. 21 25 second public hearing was closed. 11, 4, 2025. There's no motion pending. >> Mr. second. probably moves Seconds proud. urge support. Is there any discussion further on this item? Senior members may proceed to vote. >> Mccormick. >> And a vote of 9 to 3 and number of votes. Yes, yes, you know, 20 our 2025 dash 2.97 has passed the body next. We have item 11 e 11 e there are 2025 dash 2.98, a resolution approving the 2026. 2031 Municipal Utilities, Enterprise activities. Capital improvement programs. First public hearing is closed. 10 point one. 25 second public hearing is closed 11 for 25. There's no motion pending. Move to approve motion to approve. was called and a second by Miss PRI. As Baldwin Day. >> Utilities are great and we should support them. Any further discussion. Seen here in an members may proceed to vote. >> apartment. >> A vote of 12 to 0 in number of votes. Yes, yes, they are. 2025 dash 2.98 passed the body. So move to 13. on site. we still have one major budget item to tackle. But the printouts aren't quite before us. And if there's no objection will continue in the order that we have, would be to pick up item 13 D while we wait for 13 C to take up 13 Hold on one 0nd. Ok, if there's some protection will take up item 13, see, which is in our original stack. 13, see is the executive branch reorganization 13 see is a public hearing 2025, dash, one, 10, ordinance amending chapter one to 35 23 of 30 relating to the organization executive branch setting forth the duties, responsibilities, executive branch agencies, public hearing on item. was open on 10. 21 and continue to tonight's public hearing is open again. spirit of the same. Please come for now. Seeing none public hearing. The Senate now close on the body move to approve second. Moved by prize. Seconded by Mister Farmed. That's right. >> Yeah, thank you. This is related to the operating budget, which is why we take it up after approval of that. And we have it is essentially any reorganization proposed by the administration which we were briefed on earlier. I do have one amendment that I will I think now just to get another way move, probably amendment number one. 0nd. >> Motion to amend virus, Broadway seconded by far into Israel. >> Yeah, this is at the request of the administration rather than taking effect immediately. The should take effect with the budget, which is January first 2026. >> And the discussion on the amendment. Seeing bar and probably beyond. I'd like to ask unanimous consent injection to the adoption of the amendment. I am seeing hearing no objections will consider the amendment adopted. we now have the main motion before us as amended any further discussion. I think I'd like to ask administration just briefly to talk through the reorganization. Why and what's happening. >> Certainly, Mister Chair. so as we've presented to the I the goal here. >> Is too make a change in how our community and economic development functions are supervised to really strategically tied together. Those departments which are most critical as the mayor housing and community development agenda. This comes hand-in-hand with some changes and municipal senior leadership that were announced yesterday. So they will be intent is that we will have a new complex and moving into the community economic development position starting January one date when this is effective. So again, all part of a lining the functions of the team as strategically as possible to address the work that mayor is driving to drive development homes and economic development in the municipality. So we would respectfully request approval. Thank you. Pearson this Monday. >> Thank you, chair I voiced this concern to members of the administration, but I want to see it here on the record as well. >> I I want caution that it's really difficult to It's really difficult to discuss anything related to housing without then following on and discussing transportation. And so it is my hope that at this reorganization also includes really significant collaboration between these 2 vehicles between public works community development because I we we must we must be moving in the same direction when it comes to our land use. And that includes the way that we use our streets and our right of way. So and I'm hopeful that this change develops new new crossovers between these 2 departments. >> And and really helps to to move all of the activity that's happening in the permit center in a really cohesive and positive direction when it comes housing development. Thank you. >> All right. Anyone further? Just offer that I share some of the concerns this ball today talked about us that road Rhodes Impact where people live in for 50 years. We ignored that connection. I hope this doesn't begin a trajectory back towards letting that. Disconnection grow. But with that, I part of this ordinance ask members to support. none members proceed to vote. >> Member McCormick. On a vote of 12 to 0 2025. Dash one 10 on threat votes. Yes, yes, 2025 dash one 10 as amended has passed the body. 0 in numbers. Okay. Next we have item 13 D which again are off the budget but will be back to the budget shortly. You know, 2025 to 78 an ordinance. The Anchorage Assembly approving the final negotiation execution of the crane use agreement between this pot of anchorage done your part of Alaska. And that's a navigation company of Alaska LLC. Public hearing on the side of his continued 8. 26 2025 23. 2025 at 10. 21 2025 and a speck. The first public hearings open again. Anyone wish to be heard. Anyone at all. Seeing none public hearing is now closed. What will the body? >> We have to prove second. >> Motion to spot and a second, I'm Johnson, any discussion. If you want to hear the discussion we had on the resolution earlier in the agenda if you're the record there from the administration, so if no one else members may proceed to vote. >> apartment. >> Yes, >> On a vote of 12 to 0 in the youth member votes. Yes, yes, you know, 2025 to 78 passed the body a small Monday. >> Move to reconsider. Motion to reconsider. Baldwin seconded it. That's probably. I speak to that motion of day. >> Yes, I'm somewhere to the reconsideration earlier this evening. We just want to be sure that this is ready to go so that mayor and her administration coming forward with this agreement. I would urge a no vote reconsideration most open here. Thank you. >> So over dozen of senior member sexy to vote. >> apartment. >> On a vote of 0 to 12, 3 considerations failed. And the youth member votes. No, Thank you, OK? So now on our list of things to do, are we close on the budget? When we take 5 been at this a while? We'll come back in just a few minutes. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> unknown. >> is >> And ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> a ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ is not. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ I think we should probably come back together. Let's try to figure out where we're going from here. go back in the wreck. A map Africa. Thank you. So come back to order. think we're just missing a couple folks. Okay. So we still don't have a couple items prepared for the budget. That's 13 C and 11 b. >> Now, 13 BN 11 C. So a minute. right. So I'm going ask that we again change the order of the day. We have a handful of items that will be pretty straightforward. If there's no objection. If there's no objection, I'd like to take up in the following order 11 F 11 g 13 e 14 being. And then after that will come back to the question of whether or not ready for 13 B and 11 C and then will conclude some of the revenue questions that I believe all the members are going to be pushing for to another day. So we'll have that discussion when we get there. I didn't hear any objection. So if that's the case, will go ahead and take up 11 F 11 G 13 D 14 be. Okay. So that's the order will proceed. There are no objections. So next up on the agenda is item 11 f? 11 f is assembly member and am a 12 dash 2025 solid Waste and Recycling Advisory Commission appointment and even Olson. Action was postponed from 11 for there's no motion most to prove. Second, fast-growing second, I just discussion none members may proceed to vote. >> apartment. On a vote of 12 to 0 the youth member votes. Yes, yes. And May 12 dash 25 minutes past the body. >> Point of information. Go ahead, miss or sir, can you list order that we've decided to go in a little slower place? >> Sure. Just the next 5 items, 11 F 11 g 13 e 14 14 be. So next item is 11 s. Excuse me, 11 G 11 G is 13 dash 2025. Solid waste and Recycling Advisory Commission appointment Larissa right, Allison? This item is continue postpone from the meaning of 11 for 2025, there's no motion pending. Mr. second. But if I'm a sprawling seconded by MS Ball any discussion on this item. none members may proceed to vote. >> apartment. >> And a vote of 12 to 0 in the youth member votes. Yes, yes. Am a 13 dash 2025. U.S. pass the body. So now go to 13 E. Item 13 E is 2025 dash 59 and ordinance. The encroachments plus somebody amending just a code. Chapter 3.90, access public records. Nancy Section 3 to 30 knots or 1, 6, to update the public records request in response procedures. Public hearing continue from a 12, 9, 9, 10, 7. Source. >> A move to continue the public hearing to 12 too. >> Motion separate from to the meeting, our continued public and a 12 to moved by bus over second. probably. We speak to that and >> Still a work in process. And I would just okay, like you must want. >> Thank you. I was gonna ask about timing of this. Do anticipate that it'll be ready to go on 12 to time? >> Probably not. But we've been extending it every 2 weeks because it keeps the process moving a little faster >> I would add a little that we actually took it off the agenda for about 6 weeks and things just disappeared, evaporated. And we've actually both emailed asked, hey, what's the status and had radio silence. And so the intent to keep it on the agenda, every meeting until we start to see some action is by design. And we ask for your assistance. By voting. Yes. >> point information. I believe that because we are continuing the public hearing that the rules that we change recently would apply here in terms of limiting discussion to the sponsor. >> I think it was really a clarification of why we're asking to postpone it to only 2 weeks if we don't expected to be done. So. Sorry, debate. And I think that those rules only apply to when you're using a motion to postpone indefinitely. As I mean, motions a slight once, but Yes, your assistance is requested in keeping this on the table. So people understand it's a hot topic. Seeing members may proceed to vote. >> From a corner. >> And a vote of talks here in number of votes. Yes, yes, this item will be continued to the December. 2nd, the next one we have up on the stack is items. 14 0 2025, dash one. 28 Nats amending Anchorage Municipal Code chapter. 21. 0, 5, 21 1, 5, to make shelter units allowable structures for developing particular land uses to increase timeline for temporary use has developed a shelter units awaiting planning zoning. Public hearing. This item is now open. Anyone wish to be heard on this item. public eye on the side of up close. What will the body? Move to postpone to the meaning of December? 2nd second. Motion to postpone them. Our Johnson second by Miss Balding Mr. Johnson. Yeah, thank you. I think we're close on this one. But their few remaining issues we need to resolve relating to the implementation of the timing of this. And I think we just ask the but it's grace for a little bit more time to hammer that out. >> Point information. item is sponsored by the the mayor's Intially ice is a stand I am going through the pack it in order and completely get something else entirely said disregard everything I just >> I was withdraw. the floor is open. move to approve a second. >> Motion to approve by miss. Probably Second amendment Baldwin Day. >> Yeah, thanks. I know there is a work session on this what is different in the eye we're just about to move So I would urge support and belief. >> Mr. Bonnie, and Thank you, Mr. Yeah, I support this concept and I appreciate the the innovation. I think that the administration is trying to bring Ford. I guess I do have a question since this is sponsored by the mayor's question for the mayor or her team about the rationale for waiting Planning and Zoning Commission review. Threw the chair to member of Al >> at the time that we are working on this, we have this in in the queue one of the things that we wanted to bring forward anyway. But then we started working on the micro Unit Project and that project was meeting for a traffic rapidly the timing became a little bit more critical. There was some uncertainty about when that project was going to be finished and how long it was going to be in place. And so we had some interest certainty about that. And then the events in western Alaska happened right as we were to the point where we thinking about sending this to PCC and we decided that this might be something could be critical to that event as well. So we stick our head Skip PCC in this one instance due particular circumstances. >> Thank you. Appreciate that answer. think what I'm hearing correct me if this is not fairly character as your answer, but there's sort of life, health and safety urgency. And this needs move forward soon. And that's part the Russia now. >> Yes, that was some of the rationale behind And unfortunately, it doesn't look like the mayors riser. active. And as president, that she was part of that decision-making is crime. Okay. And I appreciate that. And I think, you know, this is. >> I guess, sort of one form of shelter or transitional housing. And I guess. That in future conversations around housing and shelter that we. meet the moment. And recognize the urgency. That we have a housing crisis in Anchorage. And so the very important reviews and advice with that urgency. I think. I guess I want want to extend beyond this specific ordinance impressed to be very efficient in meeting that goal 10,000 homes in 10 years. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I would also offer to says a unification of the decision to waive it. >> The outcry from the public, Stephanie, so we don't have a broad array of people coming to say we need more time with this. And so I think there's some affirmation of that decision just in the public hearing that just happened. So that members may proceed to vote. >> important. And a vote of 12 to 0 in the member votes. Yes, 2025 dash one. 28 is past the body. >> Next 14 2025. gosh one. 29 an ordinance amending full code. 10. to revise surcharge imposed on tickets for events held at the Alaska Center Performing Arts permit revenues surcharge to fund operations maintenance capital needs last center arts public hearing. This item is now open. Anyone wish to be heard on this item. Please come forward. Senior. public hearing this item is now closed. What some of the body. Move approve a second November spot and second most probably it's cush And members may proceed to vote. record. It's become a there. >> You're coming for >> Yeah, this is 14 before team Bravo. The motion to approve before us. Say that again. Yes, okay. And a vote of 12 to 0 in the youth member votes. Yes, 2025 dash one. 29 has passed the body. So. 0nd. So the next we're going to take up, I think if there's no objection, the series of revenue measures that are on the agenda for tonight that I have heard. Most of the sponsors are prepared to postpone. And so rather than diving into them cheaply or if we do find ourselves diving deeply into the may. By necessity that we put it back to our core mission tonight, which is the budget soon as it's prepared and its final form. And so I think that I would like to ask the members to take up the questions of revenue measures that are going to be postponed to another night. So as a matter of kind of discourse. Essentially through. The second meeting in January to finalize questions on the ballot. It's never great to put all of these things to that time because we also have the bonds and everything else that have to get finalized at that second meeting in January. If we're going to have a series of revenue measures and we're going to have an opportunity to have a kind of community roundtable. It does argue to give some time rather than rush to December 2nd. And the holidays are probably not the best time, which really does argue for that first meeting in January, start the new year with a bang. And so I'm going to argue for that. But each member has the right to move whatever they want to move. And we're going to go through those point of information, Mr. Chair. Mr. There. Thank you, Mister Can you remind me on item? >> On the item that was introduced 10 G 5 change the public hearing for that item or does that still stand? 12, That's a good question. Is the administration determined to have a public hearing on its sales tax proposal on that second of December? >> Mr. I think our preference would be to open the public hearing and then continue it. Think more public hearing on this is better like we've done for all the other matters. And so I think that generally speaking, there's a around the idea of giving some time for. Community chewing on these various proposals. could point Mister Rivera. That item notwithstanding that with the express intent of the administration to open in and continue it. Next up, I'm going to ask that we take up in the following order. I'm 11 age 11. I-11 J. Yeah, OK, so 11 h there's no objection. Mr. If I could make a suggestion. I'd like to time. 13 F. 11 h. To be held in the same meeting because they To get sort of on the same topic. Yeah. The implementation of one could impact the other. Why don't we make a motion to change the date? If you all motion to? 11 age and kind of have that discussion in umbrella of that. Talk to the numbers who are sponsors of that item. Okay. So we'll take up 11 aged 13 AF after we take up. 11. I-11, Jay. It sounds like there was an actual objection. So we'll go ahead and do 11. I which is 2025 dash 96 garden city encourage somebody submitting to the qualified voters municipality of Anchorage about Proposition amending home rule charter to authorize one percent sales tax to fund for progress, Strategic investment program. Public hearings held actually postponed from 9, 9, 2025, 10. 21 2025 Martinez. Thank you. Chair. >> I'm going to ask my colleagues similar to what you described for a postponement tonight. Again. I'm going to ask for postponement until 12, 16. And primarily there may be another postponement to the first meeting January, but I don't know that to be true. And so considering the administration's timeline. Larger conversations that are swirling around revenue that I think this is that penny for progress, the strategic investment program would is an important part of I encourage my colleagues to support a motion to postpone today until the meeting of 12, 16. Motion to postpone a second. But second by Miss Bala Day, any further discussion. members proceed to vote. >> Member McCormick. >> But also noted that includes 96 so. It's a whole suite under that. saw. A vote of 12 to 0 in number of votes. 2025 dash 96 has been postponed to the meaning of 12, 16. Next one is item 11, 2025, dash, one, 17 and hornets money to qualify voters. And he's probably think proposition many transfer charter adopted 2% tax fund, public infrastructure and capital improvements, sport housing, construction culture, recreation facilities, provide for approval by a majority of the qualified voters for The question it's also version. problem. >> Yes, I would like to move to postpone this. Also to the item or to the meeting of December 16th. >> Second, so motion by probably I'm I'm any further discussion on the motion. Change action of the motion. Senior. No objection will consider that item postponed to the meeting of 12, 16. there was someone who expressed interest half. Question of item 13 F. Before we come to the question of I think it's 13 or 13. before we time come to the question of. I think it is so there's no objection asked that question. Now 2025 Dash one, 15 ordinance, many interest Boko title tent at a new chapter, quiet corners to register short-term rentals. Amending title 12 requirements related to tax reporting for hosting platforms. Waive reading. Thank you. This item also includes an this one, this one small Mr. Johnson must moved to postpone to to second. So there's a motion to postpone 12, too, moved Mister Seconded by Mister Johnson. Any discussion? >> Yeah, thank you. Just for clarification of the motion, this is a motion to continue the public hearing to that future date. I'm sorry. should have said motion to continue. Thank you. 2.12 too. Anything further? Thank you, madam Clerk, for catching that. Mr. Rivera. there any objection to that motion? I'm seeing and hearing no objection. 2025 one 15 in all severe items will be back for us all to brings us back to 11. H is. 2025. Dash 97. ordinance of the Anchorage Assembly, cement, qualified voters, municipality of Anchorage about proposition many home rule charter to authors tax on short-term rentals. Mr. Bolland. Thank you. And I think this one is a just a motion to postpone the 12, 2, because we've already had close the public hearing. So the motion to continue meaning of 12 too. are Second second by miss. Probably any discussion. Like to ask unanimous consent an injection. Senior. No objection. back for some 12, 2 with a concomitant, short-term rental registration. renter, my checklist. Quick and sorry. We are all over the place tonight. It's a rare net like that. So misled and ask you to just go in audience for us a few minutes. We have a couple of marijuana, alcohol licenses, but we're not done. We have. >> Second big budget item to go. So don't go far. Unless you're a to go home. right? like, yeah, I can totally relate if you do. I think most of us could case next. We'll take up the quasi judicial and that's Hearing items item 50 neighbors, a share of 2025 dash 3.46 resolution. something regarding the renewal next municipal marijuana retail license M 2, 4, 3, 8, 3, for Primo Farms north, although Cdb a primo state in the U.S. on his condition. protester Newell said Alaska marijuana license number 2, 4, 3, 8, 3, this public hearing item has additional public hearing on this item is now open. Anyone wish to be heard on item. Seeing none public hearing this item is now closed with solid body to prove second moved by Mister Second, my Mister Myers in the discussion. Seeing none members may proceed to vote. >> apartment. And a vote of 12 to 0 or 2025 dash 3.46 Past about next 7.15 be AR 2025, Dash 3.50 >> Resolution pictures forcibly proving no call special land permit for beverage Spencer, tourism license number 6 or 2, 3, 2, for 108, east. If TVA want to wait East 8th in the B to C Central business district free, located at 108, East 8th Avenue. eating. Thank you. Public hearing on this item is now open. Anyone wish to be heard. none public hearing the side of a snow close. Let's all the money to prove. Second. by. That's probably seconded by Mister Myers. Any discussion? Seeing hearing none members may proceed to vote. >> apartment. >> On a vote of 12 to 0 or 2025 dash 3.50, has passed the body next 15 see air 2025 dash 3.51 Resolution thing could just possibly a preview now called specially and his permit for a beverage dispensary license. Number 3, 0, 9, 9, for Korean barbecue in the B 3 general business District. Public hearing on this item is now open. When wish to be heard on this item. Seeing hearing on the public hearing it was now closed to all the body to second Mr. Meyers today, any discussion. Seeing hearing none members may proceed to vote. >> requirement. >> On a vote of 12 to 0 2025, dash 3.51 This past the body. So we're going take another break. Okay. It feels like we're going to be on the finish this job. Okay. France. Let's come back together. I think we have enough information. To need to do. And I go ahead and take up. 13. See, I think it is. 13 Item 13 B. Is 2025 dash, 107. ordinance adopting the 2026. General Government Capital Improvement budget. Public hearing on item was continued from an 11 for 2025. Also met on 10. 21. Public hearing is now open again. anyone wish to be heard. Please state your name a part of town you're from. We'll have 3 minutes. It's thinks my name is Bruce Tall. But I've been designated by the best Community Council to speak on this issue tonight. >> The best Committee Con Council supports hero Silvers amendment on this ordinance to include a proposed bond to be put forward to the Anchorage voters. In April 2026, if approved, this pond would include 1.5 million dollars for the renovation, relocation of the Basher trailhead parking area. The bond is proposed under that you get Access service area, her CASA ordinance. By the time the Anchorage Voters Review the new bond proposal next April, the process for designing the lot relocation should be completed. So the public engagement process, which is currently under way, voters will have a good idea what they're voting for design and public engagement process is funded by the $300,000 Bond voters approved by 53% last April, using the funds from the bond we could. We compliment the city for promptly initiating the the design and public can get for With the bond funding contracts, surveyors and public engagement process is already of the gun. And you should have received our resolution from our community council in your e-mail today that supports it both from local roads, service area in our community council. Basically the current parking areas, undersized and has dangerous entrance results in people parking along the road with limited sight distance for oncoming traffic. Larger parking area that has relocated to an area with a safer entrance and egress is warranted. I think we went over last year as well of all the problems with that. Now that the design process is well under way, there will be momentum to the project completed in the near term. Well, there's good public engagement, delaying funding for completing the project for a year or more will only encourage additional costs as conditions change, inflation grows in the public becomes disengage with the project and or discouraged by the lack of follow through. In addition, I also see that there's an amendment in the agenda to fund the reconstruction of the Lost Cabin trail. This trail would connect of the prospect trailhead with the Beshir trailhead and they would make it possible for hikers. Skiers and bikers to travel Glen Alps all the way down to bash or so to be a trance trail system. Finally, there's so the completion of the Basher trailhead parking area is our highest priority. But we also support, of course, the the trail connection. Over the last several years. Anchorage voters repeatedly supported park and recreation bounce that enable residents and visitors alike to experience. All the anchor chair to offer. So we encourage you to. >> Both for this amendment. Thank you very Thank you. And also to be heard. public hearing the side of a close. What's the water body? >> Looking the original version. Second. Motion to approve it. original version of 2025 Dash 107. Moved by it. That's probably second movement serve on second minus right? Mr. Vaughan. Thank you. Mister Chair really appreciate all topic of conversation that we had about some of these projects and how to prioritize them. I'm going to speak to the CASA projects. And one of the arts, the projects. And then I'll let my co-chair speak to the Do we need a motion or? Yeah, get there, OK? Well, I'm a commotion We will move the amendment investment second. Motion to amend are on a second by probably. Okay. So 6, the Casa and the downtown Anchorage Wayfinding and then and pick up where I left off. We've had a lot of conversation over the last few years out the to catch State Park Access Service area and how do we prioritize projects with maximum input from all stakeholders? And that includes people living in the says that also includes people living in arts center. And so I want to first start off stating my sincere appreciation for the mayor and her team building out an advisory group have both arts of leases at the table as well as solar. folks and a lot of these people have different areas of expertise, sir. Thank you for for doing that. This new advisory group, I guess I should say in its current iteration, it's still kind in its infancy. But I think really well poised to make some meaningful recommendations on what the plan for costs should be going forward. So in this omnibus, we did incorporate share Constance amendment 2 sort of come back to the drawing board on what that plan is going to look like going forward with all those voices at the table and some hot, I think, fought full research going into some of those projects. We have run in his folks may recall to some instances where projects came forward. But didn't really have the time to be fully vetted by the administration before moving forward. So I think a good idea to take a little bit more time with the out years, but also be able to prioritize some of projects that have already discussed. You know, for instance, as we heard tonight, hear public testimony, the bash or trailhead, that's not new to us. We've had a lot of discussion around that. And so we folded amendments from member Silvers. Martinez that have to do with Basher trailhead parking lot and trail connections in that area. We also have an amendment for myself on Stuart Traill Wayfinding signage and I appreciate the administration costing that out for me. Folks, I think are aware of some of the controversy on that. That easement and we want to have signage that. Directs the public on how to safely use that trail while also being mindful of surrounding private property. So that's kind of where we are with Casa. I still think we have some great projects that are going to move forward and again, look forward to the recommendations from the advisory group. Also just highlight the downtown Anchorage Wayfinding because I'm the sponsor and that bringing that forward, that project is making strides included some supplemental information in the packet. really excited about that in the downtown community is very excited about that, too. And that that work will continue it's already being installed. anyway, exciting stuff, I think I will actually before I turn it over to. if it's OK, I want to move to amend this amendment with the floor mat meant speaking to the intent around that advisory group that I mentioned. So the clerk, Hausa via e-mail. to make one tweak on that. We're going to add a section that will say the administration as requested to convene an advisory group with representation from Art Center and service areas. To provide roads and or drainage services that are within that you got State Park Access Service area, print the season. boundaries. And shall develop a six-year capital improvement program with a comprehensive list of projects for CASA improvements and submit to the Assembly by Information Memorandum no later than March 31st. 2026. And State legis. Well, actually, make a second. Thank Getting ahead of myself. I just want it on motion to amend the amendment Mister on second by miss. Probably just want to say for the record for state legislators that have weighed in on this may be watching this closely that envision that some of the projects that were already on sort of the working that folks that brought forward in the past. We are not permanently removing knows. Just wanna make sure that this advisory group has opportunity. What to weigh in and those night vision that some of those will come back on the list if they come up with. Thank you. Let's put information Mister Johnson. I have copy of the language in this proposed amendment somewhere. >> Except the word As requested to just better language. And March Arafat might this language is something that >> the the administration is already doing. They've already convened about that advisory group. And I just I guess my encouragement to them to continue that process in a really meaningful way in a robust way. Mess on the man, Mister Johnson. On the amendment. The amendment. >> Yeah. Thank you. Chair. I. would like to make an amendment to this, but I don't know if procedurally. So I will my concern. Then about where we stand in this process and a conversation with the administration during the break. Hear about. How do we try and find the right balance here between respecting the work that is still yet to be done by the advisory group. Also trying to maintain. Some consistency and recognize that the plan that was put forward previously for the program was imperfect. A place Holder was used to inform certain decisions and that we have heard concerns from the state that disregarding that for leaving things in a protracted state of limbo, create some confusion and perhaps. Could jeopardize some state funding. And I don't want to put us into that position now in talking to the administration during the break, the thought was that, in fact, this work to be completed and we could have list presented by the advisory group by the end of January. And I think that feels like a safer place to be and that would allow us to have. revised program that would be available at essentially the start of the next legislature so that we could then represent to our state partners that, in these are the projects that we intend to include give them hopefully the confidence that they're looking for. So I'm not in a position to amend this amendment, but I think first, I to ask the administration could speak to the feasibility of that approach perhaps where they see that being advantageous. >> I see the Johnson, certainly as we discussed in the break, we can absolutely take work under that timing. We've made a lot of progress already. I the under the leadership, our public works team in pulling together, making sure that we're poised to launch that Pratt, that process. And so we understand the goal and objective of making sure that there is a list that's workable at the beginning of our as the session of state legislature. So absolutely we can. We can work with that. Timing. >> Yeah. So say I appreciate allies work with the timing. Could dealing a perfect world. We haven't already. have to be engaged conversation. But yeah, I'll I'll say that. The perception of our communities projects, you know, whether it is entirely justified or not, the perception does inform decisions that are made at the state. And I think as navigate a fiscally challenging time. >> It's a low on the local level. I think making sure that we >> charland is to serve as as good partners to the legislature receptive to their concerns, I think is is a valid issue. And so to be honest is I'm not entirely comfortable with doing away with place older cip that we have. But I think perhaps if we could move up the delivery date for the working groups. advisory group's product, you know, that might be a. Unacceptable bouts. Thank you. Mastercard. You are. will okay. >> Yeah. I that would prompt more questions for me so. The 2. Arts of folks that were recently able to join sort of informal advisory group at the request of myself, a member constant who've been asking now for a couple of years. We need to have some hearts of voices at the table when it comes to programming. These projects. All the conversation that we've had around, you know, it can't can't just be road projects that need to be access amenities. I don't need to rehash all that history, but the 2 members were able to join. I believe that was just a couple months ago. Maybe even weeks. And I guess my question would be if we wanting to ship this 14 time. You know, and this is a volunteer advisory group. We're November now have some I Mr. Weber and Mister at Missed Ops joined the advisory group. How many times has had advisory group been convened by Mister Coy. So whoever else is shepherding this process. >> on its been commune ones today. And so the goal game would be to pull, make sure that this is a time priority for them. They're able to meet virtually. So you're feel that there is it's reasonable to be able to pull them together. In the next 2 months. >> I appreciate that perspective. I'm I'm not sure have entirely convinced just because we're running into the holidays. And I really want this to be a meaningful process. I don't want this just to be. You know, we got 2 people on there, but we're moving full steam ahead with what we've already planned that. And I think there's a lot of room for creativity here. And so for my part, I'm going to support keeping the date has is in my amendment. But with with the faith that if if sometime it's taken and folks can be convened multiple times and having meaningful dialogue. I think the entire. Casa Capital plan can be greatly enhanced can be something that encourage continues to strongly support. Thank you, Mister Chair. Wisconsin, thanks. >> again, I final years of feelings on this question. Supporter of the CASA program. The intent in my mind when I put it for was to harmonize this conflict that has kind of been part of our experience as a city and a municipality since before 19. 74 we were at an event on Friday first Friday where Jane and that got up and celebrated the fact we used to have these fights. The edge of town was northern lights. The folks up on the Hill. We never could figure it out. It's not like that anymore. I'm like, We still have some of conversations. Not we haven't gotten that far. The hope of Casa is harmonize is those issues. But the hope cannot be achieved if the only people that have been consulted in creating lists are the people who stand to benefit, not just the people who will pay. And I know this got really warm last tournament. Do my best to not get too warm today. But I have a lot of feelings about the fact that our public works team who great work. In a lot of ways have generated a list somehow somewhere that was entered into a budget on the first part of October, right? Isn't that when the 120 to a memo is proposed on all of these documents. Start to move. So somehow the Legislature acted April on a document didn't exist until. October. And we're now being asked to hold ourselves to the fire irrational. Process because it couldn't have existed. There was no cip. And so but I'm hopeful that this is the last time we come back to this that in fact or is meaningful work, not just. Fig leaf work. To bring together and harmonize the voices because there's like 25 million dollars of projects that just came out of somewhere and landed on our proposed cip without any input. 25 million dollars. That's like 5 parks, bonds. That service citywide interest. That's 5 years apart. Pasta just somehow appeared in our if we don't do this, then we're bad faith actors. This hurts those of us who represent neighborhoods who are going to pay but really aren't going to benefit. And so I'm very hopeful that. Whatever the amount of time. Whether it's 90 days or 65 days are. So that the folks in general can have some confidence that Anchorage hasn't violated its own process. That we can come to a place of harmony between the rural and urban parts of this municipality, those who live in the highlands and those who live in the low lands. sitting on the amendment. >> thank you. I have a question. But first, I just want to kind of say that I respectfully disagree with the idea that neighborhood's pay but don't benefit. I think the fact that the voters approved the creation of pot costs as a bon mechanism, which was. Again, the entirety Anchorage all those within the cost which is essential to bow are given the opportunity voting. that this is something they some benefit in twice, they have approved Casa Bond. So I think it is fair to say that generally the voters in Anchorage see the value here because they keep supporting these bonds. And so I would argue against this conception that there is not benefit to but I don't want to belabor that point here. What I would like to do is maybe ask the administration they could provide us a little bit of a history about how we got to this point and where the list I'll call it a place holder list came about the timing of that. So a person. >> I students share to Amber Johnson. So they asked a very, very specific details on this would have to pull it up on our public works. Director, my understanding is that. >> We? >> It was a somewhat informal process that led to this list that was informed by his summit. The members who are particularly I engaged in the process of shaping the CASA priorities and by some of that, some of the priority projects which had informed the process that led to the adoption of the service area. Some things that were persistent issues, roads and parking areas and center at that had driven interest in funding mechanism becoming possible. And so certainly I think we would agree that the process of refinement, is important to make sure that input from all parts of town from all users of all right, that you've got access program are included in the process, Andrew, to agree that there's a certain amount of informality to the development of the initial list. process of party may have more things to say. >> threw the chair. I will say that the nature of the casa process from the very beginning is sort of well, something that the municipality is dealing with across the board. This is a new saying this is a new bond category that is being created for contemplation throughout the entire municipality and we have not established a formal process that these conversations are born through, at least not in the way that we can point and say this is how this will and should work from the beginning when we want to contemplate the premise of a new service area or a new levy of up some magnitude and Casa has made its way through FOX through the process because there was not an established protocol to do this. And I think that this last step in the protocol is is appropriate because essentially what it is the adoption of the body saying, yes, we agree that this program in the out years make sense. And it was it's what we would contemplate. The other categories of capital projects have been worked in vetted through our continuation budget process and through the existence of these bond categories over time and Casa being so new, it's trying to fit into our existing protocol, but it doesn't fit yet. So I think that this final step or what could be the final step in the protocol of how this is borne from the beginning to community identifies in need the legislative body hears that and understands okay. We need to make an adjustment here. The administration says this is how we would implemented if we were doing it this way. >> And this casa process, at least from my visibility is the first time in a very long time a new >> service area for the entire municipality to contemplate was created. So. >> The >> what I will call, you know, step process of. >> The advisory group meeting and convening and having those conversations. We did not execute the step where we bring that list back to the body to say this is these are the findings of the advisory group and this is what the capital improvement program for the CASA Bond will be for the next 5 years unless otherwise amended via the budget process. And I think that the blended amendments, including the January 31st. Timeline could get us to that place where we bring what currently exists combined with the meetings that the body, the advisory group would be able to have between now and January forward to have that conversation. If the body adopts that at the time. That's the end of it. The body does not adopt program at that time and wants to see additional amendments where additional deliberations. That's also possible. But I think the ability for the advisory group to convene with the with the intent of not the confusing what funding might be necessary or required before the legislature adjourns is absolutely possible and should not the legislature in a position that they would not know what they may be appropriating additional funding for particularly considering the 2026 projects our. Not being excluded. So the 2026 pond proposal would go forward and this would be contemplated for 27 and beyond. >> In the Q part of the amendment, the Amendment Mr. Hollande. >> Yeah, so you know, I I just I guess I want to reiterate there's more work to be here. You know, the last time we took up Casa, my recollection and I maybe others will recall 2. Is that a former member from east Anchorage prop forward amendment for a project. Mr. said on the record, No, we haven't that'd that. Yeah. We don't have a good cost analysis on that yet. So I think even the scope of some of these projects needs to be looked at in a really meaningful way. I support the sun concept, too. I go Up Canyon Road to Rabbit Lake to go wild ice skating. Or hike the backside of flat top. I get it. I'm outdoor guy. I'm a user of some of these. These infrastructure facilities. But I think we need to make sure that these projects are well vetted, that they are deliverable. It with Canyon Road. I think we're right running into some timing issues with, you know, the state is going to be doing some work with parking. And so I. While I recognize the the public support that we've had, that the voters have. Time and time again strongly supported the Casa Bond. I also think we need to have proof of concept that the projects that we program our. Delivered. And I'm also, you know, I'm thinking about other advisory boards, but we have or you know, for instance, when the spotty put together the public naming commission, how thoughtful we were about that making sure that, you know, we had different seats. There are members at large with an idea that they would come from different parts, different districts from parts of Anchorage. There is a someone who has expertise in in indigenous knowledge or deny language. You know, we made that very specific and with some of our boards that that. That advise a maps, for instance, we really look for subject matter expertise so I think actually future project really should be building out this advisory group and maybe even formalizing it a little bit. And just making sure that, yeah, we have all the voices at the table that there's good consensus, not everybody's idea. It's going to move forward, but at least there's thoughtful, meaningful collaboration and so again, I would I would prefer that we take a little bit more time with us. You know, I think even one meeting of this advisory group before this comes before us is just insufficient. We haven't done enough yet. There's more work to do. And I want to support it in the long term as custom of support. Thank you, Mr. Chair. We have Amendment, the amendment to force any further discussion. >> none action to the Amendment Amendment which the convening. thinking Mr. Johnson. Some point information, Mr. Chair. Voting on that change date for changing on this just which requests, the convening of the advisory group in a timely manner to achieve some consultation. okay. not hearing any objection. So we're going to consider the amendment to amendment are now back on the amendment as amended any further discussion on the amendment. This rally. >> know it's been a long night. So I'm just going to briefly cover this other pieces in the omnibus just to orient folks. So items to through for you see the reference on the right there. 2 to 4 were items that were discussed in that work session on the 7th. And these are often the arts. A bond is noted amendments, 5, 6.10 were projects that were brought forward by the administration. You also see a member of Al Monday on the center. Those are ones that were identified drainage priorities. With recommendation to include those on the 2026 arts upon. So we're bringing them forward and there is information in the packet. They're all existing projects. As we all recall, there was a whole list of projects for 2026. And then those removed between 122 memo and the budget. So those are existing projects on number 7. I will know traffic calming. That was one. We had a lot of discussion over the years on pedestrian safety. And so that is one that is, again, an existing line item. It is not art, sir. It area wide and it is for things like speed, humps of that traffic calming program. So it is an increase to the existing funding and then lastly, just point briefly to the conforming amendment. At the end, you have the language. And this there was a similar amendment in the eye operating on the bus. So just to note, those are there, and then I will also say, again, these are really setting a what would be the arts, a bond in the Casa Bond, obviously for 26 for those projects, there are additional opportunities to change. That to add to it. then the consideration, of course, how big does it get in total? And so that is a conversation we can bring back as we deal with the bonds in January. But just so folks understand what is in this omnibus. Thank So first. >> Yeah, just speak to the Casa Amendment. Initially we had some additional planning money for project that we don't need additional funding money. The project is its. >> Ready to move forward, its planning stages near an public public process ongoing. so I think this is really opportunity to honor voter intent, but really actually going in and completing a high-priority project that's ready to move forward with no additional planning funds and it is going to provide better parks, access to people across the Anchorage Bowl. So people from East Anchorage downtown Midtown, even West Anchorage are really going to be able to enjoy enhanced access to to get work through this. Getting this completed. thank you. Chair just wanted to speak briefly what amendment that of mind that actually withdrew wanted have. on the record that Coventry Drive stormwater project that I requested to move forward to 2026. as rather than 27 after further discussion with PM. Any recognize that their design work is not yet ready for that project. And so we will keep the timing as it is. I've been assured that design work will happen. And 26 and then construction 27. So I'll be grateful to see that. Longstanding drainage need get get some resolution. But it is not before you tonight. Further questions comments. >> Seeing hearing on the amendment as amended members next. He developed. >> member McCormick. >> Oh, I'm sorry, Mr. Mccormick. Can I call back? Do you want to speak on the man? Here in the Oh, yeah, we're on the amendment. giving a minute. We can get back on the main motion. Sorry no, think okay. Okay. So how you vote on the amendment. >> On a vote of 10 to 2. Asked past sorry, Mr. Mccormack. >> I just want quit for start of the planning commission, I are all the amendments brought forward or we working through each minute. I know every everything is done in one shot, including a conforming amendment and >> and additional amended language that says. administration requested to work process with the cars advisory group. So that's all adopted now into the main. There are no addict, OK? a >> I move an amendment to line item out amendment 7. The traffic coming in to confront next. >> Motion to amend it by striking line 7. Is there a second? Okay? Motion to amend Mr. Mccormick seconded by Mister Myers comic. >> Yeah, I gauge month and the community councils and with the public. I've seen the supporting crimes against this traffic calming and lowering speed limits. It a lot of and Elaine narrowing. seems a lot of the language is directed at drivers. And I think when looking at the data, the pedestrian deaths have spiked in an increased greatly. >> But that spike came. Relatively quickly. That hasn't been a slow, steady climb. blame vehicles getting larger braking distances on vehicles being extended. It doesn't align with with the facts of the data. When out in that this spike occurred. Coincidentally right after want order? >> That's from a comet called on a point order is being raised as pride. >> Yeah. Think I'd like to ask the just just to be clear, because Mr. Mccormick, you're speaking on an amendment that we already voted on. I think I am not clear exactly what we are allowed to continue talking about or not or 2 take further action Can I get clarity from the clerk? Please? Madam Clerk. Thank you, Mr. >> I don't believe this is an order. you have up. Line. 7 was in the on the bus. You discussed the the new went to an amendment to the amendment, the amendment, Tina was voted unanimous consent. The omnibus was voted on. It was at 10 to 2. And so that is closed. So we are now on the main motion as amended. And so that amendment has already been closed. If that is the good term to put. >> Okay. And then that 7 as close as what amendment one closed as well. >> I'm sorry, Keith, what did you say? >> Amendment 7 is closed. I understand as amendment one amendment 9 closed. >> It's my understanding they are all closed its my understanding all of the items were all 12 items were all consider going to be on the bus. >> So okay. So I think that the point of order is such that the motion is out of order because the body just adopted the motions. And I think there's a little bit of a procedural snafu because I called on you after the vote. Essentially was underway. And so you voted in the affirmative. On the previous motion. >> So >> you are within your rights to make a motion to reconsider previous question, which Then bring back before us the amendment as amended if 7 members agree with that. >> Military consider. >> So there's a motion to reconsider by Mister McCormick. Is there a second? Chair? Just point of information has to be seconded by somebody who voted in Know anybody handle second. So reconsiders made by Mr. Mccormick seconded by Mister Myers. Are you in the Q and A motion or SAT on the man? Okay. it would you like to speak to the motion to reconsider? >> Yeah. Guess with all of the handouts and how quickly we've gotten these packets, even though the time not present to receive a hand up physically. But elect chronically and how much we've moved the agenda. I yes, I was not fully understanding the Vo and amendments. >> Mr. Meyers, I guess I would just say for the point that Keith wanted to be in the queue and we voted before he was given a chance to speak is why was so high or too nutty? I would note that the comment, quote, was all wait until this amendment as decided. And we're back on the main motion. That's actually the requests that I had. many gets an argument to support the motion to reconsider. But cedar-lee members. You Sure. He considers to be able. Mr. >> I will support. The motion to reconsider just because I I do appreciate. How late we got this packet. I guess I do want to make. Explicit that and reconsidering the motion. The intent of the Budget Co chairs was to take these all up as someone device amendment not to go through them one by one. So. Yeah, if members want to. Man that has an omnibus great or to a line item or by for Kate well, within your wheelhouse, but yeah, I guess out of courtesy from my colleague happy to support motion to reconsider. Members may proceed to vote reconsider. >> Andrew McCormick. And a vote of 10 to sue the motion reconsider past. So we're now back on >> mean, motion as amended, Mr. Mccormick, you have the floor. I'm sorry. We're on the on this amendment as amended. Yes, thank you. >> Cormac OK on this as amended my line item end. Her move one in line and 1, 7, >> So your making a motion to lines, one and 7. Okay. So the motion is to delete lines. 1, 7 by Mister McCormick's or second. Second, my Mister Meyer's, Mr. Mccormack. >> Quickly pick up where I left with traffic calming not seen wide public support. I think this is targeting the wrong part of the equation. With the pedestrian deaths, spike that we've seen. I think there's improvement to be done elsewhere. Same with the downtown Wayfinding not saying it's a terrible idea. I'm saying that the right, not the right time and there's other priorities that should be taken up for that reason. I would be looking district facts. >> Right on the motion On amendment. >> Yeah, I guess it just like to hear from the administration of what they have planned for traffic calming as far as I know, a lot of times traffic calming isn't slower. Speeds are narrow road. Sometimes it's speed bumps. >> Stop signs. You for enforcement. Certain areas actually traffic calming very popular amongst some community council's, especially in areas near where a lot of children walk to school because sometimes traffic calming can make routes to school a little safer. In fact, I actually got involved in the public process initially with my community council because works to get speed bumps put on my street where? People drove very fast and a child was hit by a car in front my house. And so that was kind of my introduction into this. political arena. And so I do think that traffic calming has broad support and it is a whole lot more then just narrower roads and lower speeds. And so I guess I would like to ask administration if they can talk a little bit more about what this amendment and tails. To chair members of of this traffic calming funding. Essentially, it's one of buckets of funding that we >> building into capital program. And so it essentially allows the traffic department to make it further down the list. The more funding they have been make it further down the list of priority projects. It includes everything you've listed includes pedestrian, only projects includes speed bumps. That includes speed tables. That includes wide variety of different things. As the department implements in order to make to calm traffic and a robot. So it's we have to we could do a deeper dive into. We have protect into all the different things that are on that list. But the reality is it's just taken. It's a bucket of funding that allows that and increasing. It allows department to make it further down that list of projects that they have that are designed with traffic calming as the as the objective. That's right. Yeah. Thanks. Just to add to what was shared. So this item has been on the bonds. This is really an a in addition to an existing bond item. >> A few years ago, I believe the funding total was 500,000 and again, as members over said and this been Pearson said, this is one of the most popular things in every community council. I don't know how many resolutions I've seen over the years supporting traffic calming in whatever form that takes. And we know that there's a much longer list of projects never get funded because of the need is greater than the resources. And so that's historic. We have this has been used this the it has been increased by the administration as well over the years and passed by voters every time. And so I would say inland we've get we've seen our we've heard several examples of how that you so I would say if the intent is to not increase that funding than removing this 500,000 is not take it out of the bond or does not take it out of the list. And if the intent is to defund traffic calming that I would suggest looking at the entire bonds when we take that up and then I would also argue that they will not be a lot of support for that move with the public. Because, again, this is something more border. And also asks for thanks. >> Point of order, Mr. Ma Current, what's your point of order? >> She cannot speak on behalf of the public support. >> No, that's actually not a point of order. I think that if I were to reflect on the testimony provided by you, you actually said individuals in my area don't like this. And so it's along the same. >> spoke on the experience I had. She spoke on potential of the general public should not become her experience. >> It actually doesn't matter. There's no point of order overruled. Nobody is going to try to roll over another member for speaking of us are speaking to the motive speaking. I mean, you could actually both a slide from this ties if you wanted. In fact, our social media's tend to do that. A lot. Mr. >> Thank you, Mister Chair. I would just say that my sense of what my constituents support. More traffic calming. I. From spin from some petition from Fairview, from Mountain View. We want Speedbumps. We want to stop signs. We want our roads to be safer by design. We want to complete streets. We want lane drops. And so, you know, we all represent. Our constituents districts may be in their priorities and their needs. But I think all also just highlight in the last 2 budget cycles. We have increased the amount for traffic calming and voters have supported that on the bonds a couple cycles to go at. It was a cell phone number Brawley who brought 40 increase and then in the mayor's last budget, she increased it even more from there. So I think much in the same vein that voters have supported Casa with strong support of think they've also demonstrated strong support. With their boats on the bonds for traffic calming. So I am not going to be in support of this amendment. Thank you. Mister Chair. spawned a >> thank you With respect to I believe amendment number one. It was also on the list. A strike might correct about that. Yeah. Just wanted to note that that that bond is an arts, a bond which by definition means that members, residents on the hillside would not. Be paying downtown Anchorage Those who live in arts, area service area would be doing so curious as to member McCormick's rationale for including this UN Clou Ding. Line item number one, amendment number one in his amendment. He wished it back in the queue. Barak. All right. I don't own a smart Thank you. Chair. >> Just one primarily because of the administration with respect to traffic calming. Similarly to member Silvers. This is traffic calming safety improvements. Our often very much enthusiastically received in the East Anchorage and across many parts of our community, but not by everyone. And in all fairness. But I would want to say to the administration, especially I'm more interested now in beginning to have a more holistic look at the relationship between traffic calming safety improvements and economic development. Here's I think the traffic calming is not the same on every street. So I think there's a difference between traffic coming in residential neighborhoods where there's a school like the Valley. And that's a safety issue versus traffic calming on corridors like were protection and safety issues like Muldoon but where every mile per hour down creates more economic opportunity because if you're flying through a corridor with small businesses, you're not likely to stop. So there's a relationship between traffic calming safety and in some corridors, economic opportunity. And I'd like us to try to figure out that makes us a little closer because I think it matters. Thank you. Motion is in the amendment. That's right. Ok, Moshe some of the amendment. members may proceed to vote. Member McCormick. And a vote of 3 to 9 in the member votes. No. Amendment failed. Now back on the man, excuse back on the amendment as amended. Any further discussion. Members may proceed to vote. the mechanics. you it. And a vote of 9 to 3 and number of votes. Yes, that's 2025 dash 107, as amended is passed. The body. That brings us to our final I thought we were done. A motion as I. I think That was the amendment, OK? Sorry, that was the amendments. And now we're back on 2025, dash 107, as amended. Any further discussion. And members may proceed to vote. >> quarterback on 2025 dash 107, as amended. >> And a vote of 93 in the member votes. Yes, 2025, dash 107, as amended is passed. The body. next, we have one less item. 11 Levin see our 2025 dash, 2.96 resolution adopting the 2026 2031 General government Capital and Prevent Program. First public hearing is closed 10. 21 0nd public hearing closed 11 for no motion pending. to prove second move by most probably saying most of Monday. A discussion. sprawling. Yeah. Just to clarify. So what was just? >> 13 be that we just finished with the cip, the capital budget. We did make changes out years in there. And so just to point everybody's free around us, this is a resolution that will adopt essentially the cip as what we just voted on and it does not obviously include all of the detail that we had, that that is why we're taking this up after we do the Cip. Thank >> Any further discussion? members may proceed to vote. And from the On a vote of 93 in number of votes. Yes, yes. In our 2025, dash 2, 9, 6, has passed the body. think we got everything. we didn't, I'm sorry. Welcome back to it. If the court finds that we missed anything. Next up on the agenda that we have audience participation like her come forward. Please come forward. If you're going to come forward, please. No parades. Welcome, please. State your name. A part of town you're from. You'll have 3 minutes. Microphone is off. I'm bill. back Fairview Area. >> And we was sold Palmer. I mean, God, was. So you don't no farms anymore. and nothing is what I want to hunt and a couple years ago, Manuel Hark spring, they shut school because if they have enough kids. Now they're talking about shutting down Glacier school. Going up to Glenn Allen. When I went to FFA convention. the question school almost had just as much kids gone. Do faith convention, the other schools and I for FFA efforts for each and every thing. Lasker Farm chapters coming to Anchorage. All right here and I'm trying to get to the Grange coming in. Anchorage. Thank you. Please come forward. >> State your name part of town have 3 minutes. >> Jami Lopez, acres formally coalition firmly homeless. So I'm prepared remarks. It did it. We got through Yeah, it's a it's been a process. You know, the sausage making. It takes a while. But you get to its full glory and you sort of almost got in just a couple more minutes a night, Mr. Oppressor DA. You're a couple octaves. Yeah. Act of sore, not quite a baritone, but you know you you definitely have a cold of some sort or something's got So yeah, don't know what to say and had sort of a troll thing where it was going to bring up amendment to the capital improvement program. Where you know, suggesting the effects a claymation studio. But you know, what can I and the and the time that I had to somewhere and come back and to not have time to grab it. Ali, I don't know if you haven't. And gold stars back there for anybody you got through the night, too. So I think I'll just leave it at that get some sleep. See them our and I'm good. Anyone else wish to be heard. Please come forward. Please state your name. What part of 10 3 minutes. >> All Hanna, 50, 90 Celery circle in Anchorage. This is my first time actually coming to an actual meeting and it was definitely eye-opening. It would say these are just little teeny cuts. This just the whole team caught. What were you saying to the the members of this community when you're not willing to take a little teeny cuts to make a budget on the budget. But you're willing to propose a sales tax. Obviously you aren't in the same. Income levels. I am because I have to watch my pennies. And penny has come up and make dollars. I think that you guys are out of touch. I don't think you understand what people go through 3% sales tax. Let's just take that. For example, the average. The average monthly cost living minus food in Anchorage is. 6,000 a month. That comes just 72,000 a year. 3% of that is 2100 a year, which is $180 pay cut. Well, that $180 pay cut is my light bill. And my. Electric bill. So I getting any value? $180 pay cut? I am what I paid a 3% tax. And that's without food. So I just I just think you guys are out of touch. I worry about random projects just being pushed through. Somebody is pet project. tonight it was reading. What is it other nights? I think that they should. I think you should deliberately talk about all the different pet projects Center for It disturbs me that. Project was able to go through without doing the proper channels because of life and death are expediency. Always project should have to go through. The correct channels. That's that's my thoughts for tonight. Thank you for listening to me. And I really appreciate you guys work. Thank you. >> Thank you. Anyone especially her tonight. Welcome. Please. Come forward speak. Now's your chance. State. Your name, a part of town. You're from 3 minutes. >> Hello, my name jurors trees. I confirm district route. Mr. Meyers and Mr. Gawker, thank you very much. Kind of concerned about we were looking at some of the Federation of Community Council, grants them away, but actually be the grantor. The grant heaping the federal community councils. And we're also wondering where that money is kind of going to being funded from. My concern is the municipality of Anchorage is part of the Global Covenant of Mayors, which also part of the plan, foresee 40 and also sue P 30, which is also in collaboration with the Bloomberg Philanthropies group. So I'm wondering if this is all part of plan. We talk about this calming lane drops speedbumps in all this. How does that factor into making municipality of Anchorage, a smart city also known as a 15 minute city. So just some things to kind of be concerned about. And I do put the lady that was up here just before me talking about how she prescience the work day for the youth done and talking about all the things you're talking about. And we're not really looking at the small cuts, which to add up over time. If you're asking families to reduce what they're spending, then how can we not ask the same of our assembly? We had lots of folks bring up, you know, bring up the cuts, but also bring in taxes. Well, how's that going to help anybody as communities and that goes back to the Community Council's again. So if we're going to ignore our communities and the council's that also brings us back to those grants and buys the municipality over citing those grants. So interesting to me that we're not really discussing that and we couldn't find any documentation. There was documentation on those grants and 2025 they've dropped off. You can no longer access them. And we have to go way back and find those documents. Thank you very much. He's come forward. It's taken them a part of kind of from left 3 minutes. >> I just Michael Ochs, 17 84 East Ridge Drive a clinician with mobile crisis team and Anchorage Fire Department. I was here when the first budget was being addressed. And appreciate you guys defending that budget because I know have a drop job that I love to do. I'm here to advocate for a second mobile crisis team that is funded right now until the end of the year. And there is no funding for the firefighter position on that team going into 2026. I believe long term. It's going to be beneficial to the budget. It's going to improve our quality of service and also the resilience of me and the other other clinicians on the team. For the budget. The conversation of overtime and for like APD and AfD came up earlier in terms of 9-1-1, calls the mobile crisis team takes like is the busiest rig in the city. I know for the fire I'm guessing it's out there for that APD, too. So Florida Fish and Sea and the ability for one team to take a number of calls like the mobile crisis team has done that. For quality of service with the mobile with the second team in service. Our response time has reduced as well as our time on scene. So rather than feeling rushed staff to go from call to call. We've been able to spend time with people taking time to help people set up. Service is taking time to ensure that people have a good outcome to whether or not. Having to call 9-1-1 again. For the topic of resilience. I average is 12 calls most of the time when there was when they when they did a review of our team and what should be expected. It was 6 calls. So we're doing twice the average of what's expected some days. I've 20 to 26 calls and a 12 hour period. That's something I can't do forever. I love the job. I love the fire department. I enjoy what I do. But if that was the way that I had to work every day wouldn't be something that I'd be able to do long-term. So please support the second and mobile crisis team. I think it'll be good all around. >> There's someone has a question for your comment, sir. Yes, I have a question. First of all, thank for being here. Thank you for the work that you do. But just a practical question. Who gets denied the service that you provide. Who gets denied? Yeah. When a call comes in, is there a filtering process to see who should get the service or not? >> That is dispatch. So any 9-1-1, call goes 3 APD Dispatch. First. And then if it's appropriate or get sent the fire department. >> And I just want to say thank you for serving our city it's tough work. Please state your name a part of town. You're 3 minutes. Hello. My name is Mark. Broke off West side >> certain says very unprepared. And I miss speaking the one percent sales tax. But I want to just give a little bit of my thoughts and especially hearing the other ladies that spoke couple couple people go. >> I >> I understands that there is a fiscal problem, but I don't think there's that there's been very good messaging about what the problem actually is. And I think we can look towards the whereas on 2025 96 S line 11 where it municipality ease current fiscal model is structurally imbalanced that's about it for explaining what the actual problem is. There's that's it's so vague. It's useless. I don't know what the problem is. I've heard a couple of times from 2 people total that there may be a problem with with the tax cap and it is just fundamentally broken and over a long period of time, it may not keep up. And if that is the case, that's that's pretty large. And in that case, a really don't believe that a sales tax is the solution to any problem. If we have a tax caps formula that is broken, why are we not addressing the tax cap formula and fixing that instead of tacking on more taxes and then we get comments like we just said I think there's another lost thought. We'll leave it there. Thank you so much. Thank you. first appeared. >> I'm not seeing anyone else. We're going move on to next part of our agenda, which a number comments starting with Mr. Press for now. >> Thank you, chair. Just a few. Thank yous tonight. Thank you. Again, dentist ration for your work on this budget. Thank you to my colleagues for your work as well. I thought it was a really good proper process. I want to thank especially the people who have come out and speak for the first time. We really love hearing from you. So thank you for coming in and waiting and be being here tonight. Really appreciate the comments that's all my comments to Q. Thank you, Mr. President Yeah, thank you. For all the laughs members tonight, Thank you, Mister Mayor, thank you. Mister Chair. Just good work, everyone. Thank you. No comments. Thank you. Mr. Bond. Thank you for a productive evening. They passed a budget. Good job team. >> You know, echo those thanks. And I'll just say we have a lot of issues to to continue working on. So I think that's that's the theme. Thanks. Mr. Johnson. >> No additional comments to >> My of my favorite part of the of the evening was standing back with high school kids during the break and explaining to them some of the finer points of our procedure that were really confusing for anyone who sets out in audience quite honestly confusing to those of us who sounded eyes sometimes and watching them. start to understand what we're doing here and why and actually get excited about it and ask more questions. Hands down the most rewarding part of this. seeing young people involved. Set process so shout out to Miss Hayes litmus so guests and the slogan for sending your students are way. >> Thanks, Following games for tennis. Thank you, chair. Just a couple of comments. First. Appreciate my colleagues and all of the work they did appreciate the administration and to the folks that work with me specifically to understand. And to move some agenda items forward. I also want to specifically just give shout out to our first responders and to the folks in our community who? Who serve. The public. In a way that is difficult for us understand. But I give one sense of this. As a family person. I can shut my door. And I don't have to respond to the noise in the street. I can close my door and say, I don't know about and I don't want to hear about. But as the first responders when you get to call and dispatch says, go, you go. And that's true for all across the city and there is no litmus test at the despatch level of are you were the because you have a right income level are you were the because where you come from for national origin. The dispatch level analysis is is this an issue that needs to be responded to by one of our units and then the determine the right unit, the right response as best as we can across the city. And so unlike families, the public sector has an obligation that transcends. The choice of of of whether or not we want to serve somebody we may or may not like or even know. And so I just wanted to be real clear about that this evening and share on that same note. It very expensive in Anchorage. The prices of groceries is to dog on high. The price of food is 2 gone doggone high. And I hope that as we have these conversations together around revenue, we don't overlook the quality of life conversations because I think that there are some real important things that we all need to learn together, but they don't preclude the fundamentals of what it takes to run the public. Space of a municipality and the final Nocera could note. This week I received 2 phone calls and member your was with me on one of the phone calls where was in-person essentially. To phone calls about concern of public safety and security in our community. And one of the phone calls. Asked why are we not bringing in the National Guard? The other phone call asked, what could we do together as a community? I want to juxtapose those 2 because at the end of the day, what you've heard with this fiscal conversation, you've heard me repeat it. You've heard many members of this body and the administration say no one else is coming to save us. That's true. Fiscally. That's true. In a variety of ways. I salute the community that got together and said we are afraid enough to break the walls that separate us as neighbors. So will break those walls to find each other as neighbors. And then from there, we can start. Addressing solutions together. That to me is how communities work. That's our community is successful. And in that conversation, there were no political sides. There were just purpose. The more we find purpose, the more we roll our sleeves up together, share. That's what makes our city special. That's what makes this work special. It's a privilege to be with you all. Thank you. Chair. Mr. Mccormick. I think he fell off. Mr. Meyers like waiting for the 3 minute build a COVID. It didn't well. Saint George. Happy Thanksgiving. Everyone. So I apologize, everyone that this was a bit of Kent County want this agenda. We got through it. And again, I'm sorry if we miss anything. >> Clean it up on the back. And thank you for everybody who worked so hard to get the budget done.