>>ORLANDO GUDES: WE'RE BACK IN SESSION. ROLL CALL. >> CARLSON? MANISCALCO? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE. >> DINGFELDER? CITRO? >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE. >> VIERA? >>LUIS VIERA: HERE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE. >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM. ALL RIGHT. WHEN WE LEFT OFF, WE SAID ITEM NUMBER 95. WE WOU START OFF WITH STAFF REPORTS AT 1:30. WE'LL START WITH ITEM 95. IS STAFF READY TO PRESENT? >> YES, SIR, MR. CHAIR. CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. MAY I PROCEED? >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU MAY PROCEED. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR, AND MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL. FOR THE RECORD, AGAIN, CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY. ITEM NUMBER 95 IS BEFORE YOU AS A PETITION FILED BY MR. CEDRIC POWELL, THE APPLICANT OF THE SPECIAL USE 1 GENAL REQUEST FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1908 NORTH 36th STREET. SEEKING REVIEW OF THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S DECISION DENYING THE PRIVATE RECREATION FACILITIES WHICH REQUESTS RELIEF FROM 27-232, CITY OF TAMPA CODE. MR. SHELBY PASSED OUT A COPY OF THE HEARING PROCEDURES FOR TODAY'S REVIEW AS WELL AS SAMPLE MOTIONS. I ALSO INCLUDED IN THE PACKET RELEVANT CODE SECTIONS, SECTIONS 27-132 AND 27-129. AS INDICATED ON THE AGENDA, THIS ITEM WAS PREVIOUSLY HEARD AT A REVIEW HEARING ON JULY 29th OF 2021. HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT DID NOT PERFECT NOTICE AND AS A RESULT CITY COUNCIL HAS TO HEAR THIS PETITION FOR REVIEW AGAIN. FOR PURPOSES OF TODAY'S HEARINGS, CITY COUNCIL APPLIES DE NOVO STANDARD OF REVIEW. YOUR DECISION IS NOT LIMITED TO THE RECORD CREATED BY THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR. INSTEAD, YOU CAN TAKE PUBLIC TESTIMONY, ACCEPT NEW EVIDENCE AND MAKE A DECISION BASED UPON THE APPLICATION OF RELATED CRITERIA SET FORTH IN 27-132 AND 27-129. DURING THE PREVIOUS REVIEW HEARING HELD ON JULY 29, 2021, CITY COUNCIL PLACED CONDITIONS ON THE APPROVAL OF THE SPECIAL USE APPLICATION REGARDING THE HOURS OF OPERATION. SPECIFICALLY, CITY COUNCIL STATED THAT THE CLOSING HOURS SHALL BE SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY UNTIL 9 P.M. AND FRIDAY THROUGH SATURDAY UNTIL 11 P.M. UPON FURTHER REVIEW WITH STAFF, THERE IS NO PROVISION IN THE CODE THAT WILL ALLOW -- PROVISION IN THE CODE THAT WOULD ENFORCE COMPLIANCE WITH THIS TYPE OF OPERATIONAL CONDITION. ANY CONDITIONS THAT ARE PLACED ON THE SPECIAL USE APPLICATION MUST BE REGARDING THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE LAND AND NOT THE OPERATIONAL USE OF THE PROPERTY, MEANING ANY CONDITIONS HAVE TO BE RELATED TO CHAPTER 27. LEGAL DEPARTMENT IS RESPECTFULLY ASKING CITY COUNCIL TO NOT PLACE ANY CONDITIONS REGARDING THE OPERATION OF THE PROPERTY. MR. COTTON, ERIC COTTON, WHICH THE PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE RELIEF REQUESTED IN THE APPLICATION AND THE BASIS FOR THE CITY'S DECISION. AFTER CONSIDERING ALL OF THE EVIDENCE INTRODUCED INTO THE RECORD F TODAY'S HEARINGS, CITY COUNCIL MAY UPHOLD THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S DECISION AND THEREBY DENY THE SPECIAL USE 1 APPLICATION, OR CITY COUNCIL MAY OVERTURN THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S DECISION AND THEREBY APPROVE THE APPLICATION FOR THE SPECIAL USE 1 APPLICATION. WITH THAT, I WILL TURN THE PRESENTATION OVER TO MR. COTTON, AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. I ASK ALSO THAT CITY COUNCIL, MR. CHAIR, RECEIVE AND FILE ANY EX PARTE WRITTEN DOCUMENTATIONS THAT WERE RECEIVED. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE? MR. MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY MR. MIRANDA. ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. MR. COTTON, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. >>ERIC COTTON: GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL. MAY I BE SWORN, PLEASE? >>THE CLERK: PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? >>ERIC COTTON: YES, MA'AM. >>THE CLERK: THANK YOU. >>ERIC COTTON: FOLLOWING UP ON WHAT MS. CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE INDICATED -- MAY I SHARE MY SCREEN PLEASE? SHARE MY PowerPoint. ACTUALLY. THAT IS THE WRONG ONE I WANTED TO SHARE. NOW YOU SHOULD SEE THE NICER VERSION OF THE SCREEN. >>ORLANDO GUDES: BLOW IT UP FOR US. >>ERIC COTTON: DO YOU SEE THE ONE THAT SAYS "WELCOME CITY OF TAMPA"? >>ORLANDO GUDES: SEE TWO SCREENS. >>ERIC COTTON: THIS IS A PETITION FOR REVIEW AT PROPERTY AT 1908 NORTH 36th STREET. SU1-21-35. THE APPLICANT, IT DOES SAY PROPOSED. I BELIEVE THE COUNCIL HAS ALREADY DESIGNATED THIS PROPERTY AS A LOCAL LANDMARK. THIS IS A TIERRA DEL LAGO CIGAR FACTORY. THE PROPOSED SPECIAL USE IS FOR A RECREATIONAL FACILITY PRIVATE, DEFINED BY THE CODE AS PRIVATELY OPERATED FACILITY PROVIDING INDOOR OR OUTDOOR RECREATION ACTIVITIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, COMMUNITY, CLUBS, AND MEETINGS, COUNTRY CLUBS, GOLF COURSES, AND RIDING STABLES AND TENNIS CLUBS. THE STANDARD FOR REVIEW UNDER CHAPTER 27-132 IS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN. THE BIGGEST ISSUE -- LET ME GO TO THE NEXT PAGE AND SHOW THE ZONING ADMINISTROR DETERMINATIONS -- IT NEEDS TO HAVE DIRECT ACCESS ONTO AN ARTERIAL OR COLLECTOR ROAD WHEN THE MEMBERSHIP IS NOT LIMITED TO THE DIRECT ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND AREAS. AS A RESULT, WE DENIED THIS REQUEST BECAUSE THERE'S NO ACCESS -- NORTH 16th STREET IS NOT AN ARTERIAL NOR A COLLECTOR ROAD. IT'S A LOCAL STREET. NO PARKING OR LOADING AREAS OR MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT CAN BE LOCATED WITHIN 25 FEET OF AN ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. THIS PROPERTY HAS PARKING AND LOADING AREAS WITHIN 25 FEET OF THEESIDTIALISTRICT TO THE SOUTH. 2761 IS THE STANDARD FOR A FILING A PETITION FOR REVIEW, WHICH IS WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS DONE. I WOULD LIKE -- SIR? I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THE APPLICANT DID APPLY FOR A DESIGN EXCEPTION TO REDUCE THE BUFFER. LET ME FORWARD TO REDUCE THE BUFFER ALONG THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE. THAT WAS APPROVED AS WELL AS THROUGH HERE. THERE IS A SIX-FOOT WALL WITH THE REDUCED VEGETATION. THE APPLICANT ALSO ASKED FOR A DESIGN EXCEPTI TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES FROM 48 TO 10. THAT REQUEST WAS ADMINISTRATIVELY DENIED. COUNCIL CANNOT TAKE ACTION ON THAT REQUEST. THAT CAN ONLY BE DONE THROUGH A PD OR A VARIANCE, SO THE -- OR A PETITION FOR REVIEW FOR THE DESIGN EXCEPTION, WHICH THE APPLICANT DID NOT APPLY FOR. SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND GO BEFORE THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD OR GO THROUGH A PD TO REDUCE THE PARKING. LET ME GO BACK ONE SLIDE. THIS IS THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION HIGHLIGHTED IN RED. THE PRORTY SURROUNDING IT ON THE WEST SIDE OF NORTH 36th STREET IS ALL ZONED SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. ACROSS THE STREET THERE IS SOME COMMERCIAL ZONING AND FURTHER HEADING TOWARD THE EAST IS SOME INDUSTRIAL ZONING CATEGORIES. JUST SOME SURROUNDING PHOTOS. THIS IS THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION. THIS IS THE FRONT OF IT FROM 36th STREET. THIS IS A SIDE VIEW FROM THE WEST FROM THE PROPERTY. THIS IS THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST. IT'S A CHURCH. THIS IS THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST. AND I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU COUNCIL, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT USE IS AT THIS POINT. THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH ARE BOTH SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOMES. COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? >>ORLANDO GUDES: DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. WE'LL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT. >>ERIC COTTON: THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. POWELL, HAVE YOU BEEN SWORN IN? >> NO. >>THE CLERK: PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? >> YES. >>THE CLERK: THANK YOU. >> IN ANSWERING SOME OF THE CONCERNS FROM THE NEIGHBORS, A COUPLE OF ARRANGEMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE. ONE ARRANGEMENT HAD BEEN AN AGREEMENT I HAVE WITH PASTOR RICHARDSON WITH THE CHURCH TO THE WEST TO -- WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT THAT I WILL LEASE PARKING SPACES FROM HIM. SO THAT'S THE ADDRESS -- SO THAT'S TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE PARKING CONCERNS. SO, TER OF THE NOISE, POTENTIAL NOISE THAT I HEARD COULD BE A CONCERN, THERE IS AN EXISTING TREE BUFFER TO THE SOUTH AND THE WEST OF THE BUILDING. I ALSO HAVE A PHENOMENAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE RESIDENT OWNER TO THE NORTH. IF YOU WERE TAKING A LOOK AT THE STREET, 36th STREET, WHICH IS DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING, EVERY PROPERTY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE STREET IS COMMERCIAL. WHEN YOU COME TO -- ACTUALLY, THAT'S THE EAST SIDE OF THE STREET IS COMMERCIAL. WHEN IT COMES TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE STREET, YOU HAVE MIXED. YOU HAVE SOME COMMERCIAL AND SOME RESIDENTIAL. SO I KNOW SOME OF THE CONCERNS WERE MORE THE RESIDENTIAL. BUT IT IS AN AREA WITH LOTS OF MIXES BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL. THE BUILDING IS A FOUR-STORY BUILDING, SO I SAW SOME OF THE CONCERNS ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD BE IN THE BUILDING AT ONE TIME. WITH FOUR FLOORS, IT'S VIRTUALLY ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE MORE THAN A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PEOPLE OCCUPYING THE SPACE AT ONE TIME. DURING THE WEEK, WE INTEND THE BUILDING TO BE OFFICE SPACE AND COMMUNITY EVENT SPACE. I'VE ALREADY FIELDED MULTIPLE CALLS FROM DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS TO USE THE FACILITY DURING THE WEEK, WHETHER IT'S FROM A COMPUTER MENTORING CLUB OR DIFFERENT TRAINING PROGRAMS. SO MY GOAL WITH THE BUILDING IS FOR IT TO BE PLACE THAT THE COMMUNITY IS PROUD OF, AND THAT'S ONE REASON I SEEK THE HISTORICAL DESIGNATION. I WANT TO KEEP THE FABRIC AS IT IS. AND THEN ALSO, I'M THINKING ALSO GOING BACK TO THE NOISE. I DON'T PLAN FOR THE NOISE LEVEL TO BE ANY LOUDER THAN THE NOISE YOU'LL HEAR FROM A CHOIR OF THE CHURCH THAT'S BEHIND ME. AS WELL AS THE MACHINE SHOP ON THE CORNER OF 36th AND 7th. SO T NOISE LEVEL SHOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM. THINKING OF THE BUILDING, THE BUILDING HAS BEEN THERE 111 YEARS. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT VERY THICK BRICK WALLS AND THE TYPE OF WINDOWS WE WILL BE INSTALLING ON THE BUILDING WILL SHIELD A LOT OF NOISE FROM THE NEIGHBORS IN ESSENCE BE REFLECTING NOISE BACK TO THE CENTER OF THE BUILDING. ALSO, WITH THE MULTIPLE LETTERS I WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR FOR MAILING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY, I ONLY RECEIVED TWO CALLS, TWO PHONE CALLS. I ANSWERED THOSE CALLS MULTIPLE TIMES. HAVE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH JOSE CANYON VIA PHONE. WE DID TRY TO GET TOGETHER AT THE BUILDING ONE SATURDAY, BUT LIFE GOT IN THE WAY. BUT I ANSWERED EVERY CALL THAT WAS CALLED. EVERY LETTER HAD MY PERSONAL CELL PHONE NUMBER ON IT. AND EVERY PERN THAT CALLED ME, I ANSWERE THEIR CONCERNS FULLY AND COMPLETELY. ALSO, IF YOU LOOK AT THE BUILDING, I PUT THE RENDERING OF THE FINISHED PRODUCT OUT THERE, APPROXIMATELY ABOUT 90 DAYS AGO. WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY WOULD KNOW WHAT WOULD BE COMING, AND THAT -- I JUST WANT TO REITERATE, THE BUILDING IS FOR EVERYONE TO USE. THERE'S NO -- EVERYONE TO USE. WHETHER YOU LOOK LIKE ME OR YOU LOOK LIKE SOMEONE ELSE, THE BUILDING IS FOR EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY TO USE AND ENJOY. IT'S A COMMUNITY EVENT CENTER. IT'S AN ADDITIONAL OFFICE WORK SPACE FOR EVERYONE TO USE AND ENJOY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR PRESENTATION, SIR? >> IT DOES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? WE'LL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME. ANYBODY ON THE SECOND FLOOR TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ARE YOU PART OF THE APPLICANT OR PART OF PUBLIC COMMENT, OPTION, SIR? >> I'M BOTH. PART OF THE APPLICANT AND I STAND AS THE APPLICANT AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC COMMENT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: SWORN IN? >> NO. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I COULD CLARIFY, IF I COULD ASK THE APPLICANT, IS HE PART OF YOUR PRESENTATION SIR? IS HE PART OF YOUR PRESENTATION OR IS HE SPEAKING THREE MINUTES ON HIS OWN? >> YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: LET ME GO BACK. MR.OWELL, IF ANY FOLKS ARE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF YOU AS THE APPLICANT, PLEASE IDENTIFY THEM NOW SO I CAN GET THEM SWORN IN AND THEY CAN SPEAK ON YOUR BEHALF AS THE APPLICANT BEFORE I GO INTO PUBLIC COMMENT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MARTIN SHELBY, THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY. SIR, THEY ARE ENTITLED, WHETHER THEY ARE IN SUPPORT OF IT OR WHETHER THEY ARE IN OPTION, ANYBODY WHO IS NOT OF YOUR PRESENTATION, YOU ARE ALLOWED 15 MINUTES TO MAKE YOUR FULL PRESENTATION. YOU CAN TAKE THAT OPPORTUNITY. IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES DURING YOUR TIME OR AS MUCH TIME AS YOU WANT UP TO THE 15 DURING YOUR PRESENTATION, YOU CAN DO THAT, OR YOU CAN TAKE AS MUCH TIME AS YOU WANT AND ANYBODY, WHETHER THEY ARE IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION CAN COME UP SEPARATELY AND SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES. >> YEAH, THAT WILL CONCLUDE MY PRESENTATION. >>ORLANDO GUDES: OKAY, SIR. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND SWEAR THE OTHER TWO GENTLEMEN IN WHO WANTED TO SPEAK AND TAKE IT FROM THERE. GO AHEAD AND SWEAR THEM IN. >>THE CLERK: PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BU? >> I DO. >>THE CLERK: THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: STATE YOUR NAME SIR. THANK YOU. I THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO SHARE ON BEHALF OF I GUESS WHAT WAS KNOWN AS THE CIGARETTE FACTORY. GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY WITH THE COMMUNITY SPACE THAT'S AVAILABLE, ME BEING A PASTOR IN THE COMMUNITY AND A PART OF THE COMMUNITY, I THINK THAT IT GIVES US A GREATER OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO, AGAIN, EOY THE ESSENCE OR THE FABRIC OF YBOR CITY BY KEEPING THAT BUILDING IN ITS HUNDRED-PLUS-YEAR STATUS AND ALLOW IT TO BE CONTINUED TO BE USED FOR THE COMMUNITY. I'M EXCITED ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON AND THE CHANGES IS IN OUR CITY. I THINK THIS IS PROOF OF THE PART -- OR PROOF OF THE CHANGE THAT'S IN THE CITY. AND I WOULD HOPE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL AND THOSE THAT HAVE A VOTE IN LOOKING AT THESE THINGS WOULD BE OPEN TO THE SAME OPENNESS OF BEING ABLE TO ALLOW FOR US TO BE ABLE TO ACCPLIS THESE THINGS, A BUILDING STANDING THERE VACANT FOR SO MANY YEARS, IT'S FUNNY OR IT HAS YOU THINKING THAT SO MUCH -- SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY WHEN YOU'RE IN USE OF A BUILDING RATHER THAN THE OPPORTUNITY OF HAVING SOMETHING TO SAY WHEN THE BUILDING WAS DEPLETED. THE COMMUNITY DIDN'T SPEAK THEN, AND NOW WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ENHANCE THE COMMUNITY AND ALLOW THOSE IN THE COMMUNITY TO SHARE A BUILDING. I THINK WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO BIND AND COME TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE THOSE THINGS WORK FOR THE ADVANCEMENT OF OUR COMMUNITY. THE GROWTH OF OUR COMMUNITY SHOULD NOT STOP ON 22nd STREET OR 34th STREET. IT SHOULD CONTINUE TO EXTEND UNTIL YBOR CITY IS IN ITS WHOLE ALL THE WAY TO 39th, 40th STREET. CONTINUE TO GROW AND ALLOW OUR COMMUNITY TO EXPAND. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. AGAIN, I THINK IT WAS EARLY I HEARD MR. -- OR COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER SAY WE SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST ONE POINT THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO STATE AND THE REASON WHY IT SHOULD STAY THERE. BEFORE IT WAS A BUILDING THAT WAS DEPLETED WITH BUMS AND HOMELESSNESS AROUND IT, AND NOW IT'S GOING TO BE A VIBRANT BUILDING THAT'S GOING TO ENHANCE OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU, AGAIN. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR. HAVE YOU BEEN SWORN IN? >> NO, I HAVE NOT. >>THE CLERK: DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? >> I DO. MY NAME IS STANLEY GRAY. I RESIDE AT 3020 WEST HARBORVIEW . I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE URBAN LEAGUE OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY. OUR ADDRESS IS 1250 MARTIN LUTHER KING. I REALLY HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS TO SAY. ONE IS THAT PERCEPTION, IN MANY CASES IS REALITY. I'VE SEEN LIKE CASES GOING FOR MONTHS ON BAYSHORE BOULEVARD. AND EVENTUALLY -- EVENTUALLY WITHOUT THE ISSUES WITH PARKING AND THE COMPLAINTS IN THE NEIGHBY THROUGH AND THEY BUILT THIS CLUB. THE REAL REASON WHY I'M HERE, THOUGH, THE URBAN LEAGUE OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, WE WORK WITH COLLABORATION WITH PEOPLE, AND BY DOING SO, WE CAN DO A LOT MORE WITH OUR FUNDS. MR. POWELL HAS AGREED TO HELP OUR YOUTH PROGRAM BY BEING HOUSED IN THIS BUILDING. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO HELP THE CITY OF TAMPA. AND I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT ALL THE RULES AND REGULATIONS WILL BE FOLLOWED. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS WILL BE A NUISANCE. AND I DON'T SEE HOW ANYBODY COULD PERCEIVE THERE WOULD BE A NUISANCE WHEN THE BUILDING WAS A NUISANCE BEFORE THEY GOT INVOLVED WITH IT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? >> HI. GOOD AFTERNOON. I'VE BEEN SWORN IN. MY NAME IS JOSE KEON. I AM THE CURRENT PRESIDENT OF THEISTOC EAST YBOR AND GARY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE RESIDENTS OF GARY, THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD EAST OF YBOR CITY. THE FIRST THING I WANT TO SAY IS I DON'T BELIEVE THIS HEARING IS RELATED TO THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION OF THE BUILDING. I THINK THAT'S A DISCUSSION FOR THE FUTURE. AND THE RESIDENTS ARE TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF, YOU KNOW, RESTORING THE BUILDING. THIS HEARING IS ABOUT THE SPECIAL USE TTHE APPLICANT IS SPEAKING. FROM WHAT WE HEARD A FEW MINUTES AGO, HE TOTALLY FAILS TO SHOW HOW HE'S MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS, YOU KNOW, LAID OUT IN THE MUNICIPAL CODE. HE FAILS TOTALLY. THIS BUILDING IS LOCATED WITHIN 25 FEET OF A RESIDENT, A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME IN THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. IT IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL. IT IS NOT ZONED COMMERCIAL. ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING, THERE'S ACTUALLY A RESIDENT, IT IS NOT A BUSINESS. THE BUILDING IS A HISTORIC BUILDING. IT MAY LOOK LIKE COMMERCIAL, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY A HOME. THERE IS A DAY CARE NEXT TO IT. BUT THE MAIN THING IS THE CIGAR FACTORY IS VERY UNUSUAL. IT SITS ON A 5,000-SQUARE-FOOT LOT, AND, BY THE WAY, I CAN'T SEE YOU GUYS. I SEE MYSELF. >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE SEE YOU. WE CAN HEAR YOU. >> I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU AND NOT MYSELF. ANYWAY, GOIN BAC TO WHAT I WAS SPEAKING, HE FAILS TO PROVE HOW THIS PROPOSAL FITS THE REQUIREMENT LAID OUT ON THE MUNICIPAL CODE. THE LOT IS ONLY 5,000 SQUARE FEET. IT DOESN'T ALLOW FOR ENOUGH PARKING. HE STATES THAT HE HAS COME TO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CHURCH IMMEDIATELY EAST -- WEST TO THE PROPERTY. BUT THERE'S ONE THING THAT YOU GUYS HAVE TO KEEP IN CONSIDERATION. THEY ONLY HAVE TEN PARKING SPACES. AND THEY THEMSELVES WERE AWARDED OR GRANTED A SPECIAL USE IN A RESIDENTIAL LOT TO ACHIEVE THOSE EXTRA PARKING SPACES THAT THEY NEEDED. SO BY ENTERING AN AGREEMENT, THEY COULD BE IN BREACH OF THE SPECIAL USE THAT THEY WERE GRANTED IN MY MIND. THIS IS WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD THINKS ABOUT. IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE OPPOSED TO THE BUILDING BEING RENOVATED. IT JUST GOES AGAINST THE QUALITY OF LIVING THERE. THERE ARE RESIDENTS WHO LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR DECADES, AND THEY ENJOY BEING ABLE TO WALK AROUND THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, WALK THEIR DOGS. WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A BUILDING THAT HAVE SEVERAL EVENTS, NO MTER WT HOURS ARE DESIGNATED, THE HOURS ARE NOT EVEN IN QUESTION. THEY ARE NOT MENTIONED IN THE MUNICIPAL CODE, BUT REGARDLESS OF THE HOURS, PEOPLE WON'T BE ABLE TO ENJOY THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THEY ENJOY NOW. IT'S A QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD. IT IS A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE YOU CAN WALK. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> HELLO, COUNCIL. MY NAME IS KERRY WEST. I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR. >> GLAD TO BE HERE. GOOD TO SEE EVERYBODY. ONE OF THE THINGS IS THAT MY PROPERTY IS AT 3510 EAST 8th AVENUE, AND IT BORDERS THIS PROPERTY. WE SEE RIGHT BEHIND OUR PLACE ON OUR SIDE OF THE PROPERTY IS THE -- WHAT HE CALLS THE WOODED AREA, WHICH REALLY ISN'T WOODED. IT'S BAMBOO AND THAT PROPERTY IS ON MY SIDE OF THE STREET. IT'S ON MY SIDE OF THE FENCE, PUT IT THAT WAY. I TOUCH AND BORDERING THE AREA THERE. I AM IN GARY. I MOVED TO THIS AREA JUST A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, AND THIS IS A HISTORIC AREA, AND ALSO, THIS IS THE AREA WHERE OUR WATER LINE IS RIGHT IN FRO IS WHERE, OF COURSE, TEDDY ROOSEVELT HAD WATERED HIS HORSES. AND THAT'S THE HISTORIC AREA AND HISTORIC HOUSE ALSO IN THE AREA HERE IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND IN TAMPA. AND IT IS IN GARY. WHAT IT IS ALSO IS A VERY HISTORIC AREA AND A LOT OF -- RIGHT IN THE AREA, AROUND OUR AREA IS ALL SURROUNDED BY SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSES. IT'S NOT MULTIPLE FAMILY, AND IT'S NOT A LOT OF INDUSTRIAL UNTIL YOU GO BEYOND 35th AVENUE. 36th, EXCUSE ME. 36th. AND THE AREA THERE IS WHY WE GO THERE IS BECAUSE IT IS A QUIET AREA. WE GO THERE FOR A LOT OF OTHER REASONS, BUT ONE OF THE AREAS OUT THERE IS BECAUSE WE WANT IT TO GROW. WE WANT IT TO BE SAFE, AND WE ALSO WANT TO GO THROUGH THERE, AND WE DO KNOW WE DON'T WANT THE -- ABOUT ALL THE NOISE FACTORING AFTER THE HOURS. WE LIVED IN SOUTH TAMPA. WE HAD TO GO THROUGH THIS AREA BEFORE. GO IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL, YOURSELVES, AND SAY HERE ARE THE PROBLEMS GOING WITH THE BARS THAT ARE OVER-TRIGGERING AND MAKING VENUES THAT SAID THEY WERE VENUEUT THEY REALLY TURNED OUT TO BE A PROBLEMSOME AREA. WHAT WE WANT TO DO UP THERE IS STOP IT BEFORE IT HAPPENS. INITIALLY WE HEARD THERE WERE GOING TO BE BARS AND/OR ALCOHOL, NOT BARS, BUT AN ALCOHOL VENUE BECAUSE WHEN CATERERS COME IN, THEY HAVE THAT RIGHT. IT IS A FOUR-STORY BUILDING. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE? YOU AREN'T GOING TO HAVE JUST EXACTLY THREE PEOPLE WORKING THAT WHOLE VENUE. IF YOU HAVE TEN SPACES FOR VEHICLES, WHERE ARE THESE PEOPLE GOING TO BE THERE IS NO OTHER AREA TO PARK AT. YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE AREAS THAT THEY HAVE STRINGENT TO THE PROPERTY AREA, AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE HAVING AT LEAST TO MONITOR THE AREA ITSELF BESIDES SECURITY, YOU'LL HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST 25 PEOPLE MONITORING THE AREA, SECURING IT, NO MATTER IF IT'S CHILDREN, NO MATTER IF IT'S YOUNG ADULTS OR IF YOU HAVE AN AREA OUT THERE, IT'S PEOPLE FIXATING AND ALSO WORKING TO GO AND TEACH AND MENTOR EVEN IF IT'S STUDENTS OR ADULTS. NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO IN THAT KIND OF A BUSINESS. SO, NO, THIS IS NOT -- WE WANT TO GO THROUGH THERE. IT CANE TURNED INTO A FAMILY BECAUSE IT IS ZONED FOR MULTIFAMILY. REALLY WANT YOUR CONSIDERATION TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS GOING TO BE ANOTHER GROWING AREA OF TAMPA BUT NOT -- >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MR. WEST. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME FOR HEARING WHAT WE HAVE TO SAY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR. >> EVAN ROSETO. I'VE BEEN SWORN IN. I LIVE IN THE SOUTH PROPERTY OF THE BUILDING AT 1904, THE BLUE HOUSE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PHOTOS. I HAVE A COUPLE OF CONCERNS ABOUT THE BUILDING. I SHARE ALL THE SAME CONCERNS AS MY NEIGHBORS AND THE GARY, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, BUT, MOST OF ALL, I DON'T THINK THAT AN EVENT SPACE OR A PLACE THAT CAN BRING IN ALL SORTS OF STRANGERS ALL THE TIME TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MULTIFAMILY THERE. I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S APPROPRIATE. THAT'S WHAT IT'S ZONED FOR. ON TOP OF THAT, THE OWNERS HAVEN'T GIVEN ME A LOT OF FAITH THAT THEY REALLY DO HAVE OUR BEST INTERESTS IN MIND. WHEN I SAY THAT, I MEAN THEY -- FOR EXAMPLE, THEY TALKED ABOUT HAVING THE BUFFER ALREADY IN WHICH I HAVE THE GREATESTDE, MAJORITY OF PROPERTY LINE WITH THEM, AND THERE IS NO BUFFER. I CAN SEE AND HEAR EVERYTHING THEY ARE THERE ALMOST EVERY DAY, MOVING EQUIPMENT, LOUD SOUNDS. THEY USE IT RIGHT NOW AS A CONSTRUCTION -- THEY USE IT AS A CONSTRUCTION SUPPLY SITE. ALL KINDS OF PAVERS. THERE'S LIKE A DUMP OF WOOD AND MATERIAL. THERE'S TRASH IN MY YARD. THERE ARE PIECES OF CONCRETE THAT I FIND IN MY BACKYARD ALL THE TIME. THEY JUST HAVEN'T BEEN GOOD NEIGHBORS. THE TIMES THAT I'VE APPROACHED WHATEVER WORKERS ON-SITE, I'VE ASKED VERY KINDLY OVER THEENCE AFTER BEING WOKEN UP BEFORE 7 A.M., CAN YOU GUYS PLEASE KEEP IT DOWN? THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE. I WAS MET WITH CONDESCENSION AND LAUGHTER. I WAS TOLD DIRECTLY THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO. THAT'S WHY I'M HERE. I WANT TO FIX THIS. I WANT THIS PLACE TO BE FOR FAMILIES, AND I CAME TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE I LOVE YBOR CITY, AND I WANT TO MAINTAIN THE CHARM AND THE BEAUTY AND EVERYTHING THAT I'VE COME TO LOVE. I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY WITH EVERYTHING MY NEIGHBORS AND THE ASSOCIATION HAVE SAID. THIS IS MY FIRST TIME IN FRONT OF A CITY COUNCIL, AND I REALLY WANT YOU GUYS TO UNDERSTAND HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS TO ME TO COME OUT HERE AND SAY THESE THINGS BECAUSE I STRONYELIE THAT BRINGING MORE FAMILIES INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS WHAT WE NEED AND NOT A RECREATIONAL FACILITY. THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU. SWORN IN, MA'AM? >> HI. I'M LAUREN McFALL. I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN. I LIVE AT 3407 EAST 9th. I'M NOT AN IMMEDIATE NEIGHBOR SUCH AS THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER, BUT I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. THERE HASN'T BEEN A LOT OF DOCUMENTATION OFFERED. WHAT HAS BEEN OFFERED HAS BEEN VAGUE. TODAY,ASE COMMUNITY CENTER. THE APPLICATION ITSELF SAYS IT'S A PRIVATE CLUB. THE SIGN ON THE PROPERTY, WHICH HAS BEEN DOWN FOR SEVERAL MONTHS, IT IS UP AND IT DOES SHOW A BAR. MY QUESTION IS, IF IT IS A COMMUNITY CENTER FOR YOUTH, WHY WOULD THAT INVOLVE AN ALCOHOL LICENSE? DOES THE ALCOHOL LICENSE TRANSFER IF THE USES WERE CHANGED? DOES IT TRANSFER WITHOUT REVIEW? AS FOR OCCUPANCY, IN THE PLANS, DID THE FIRE MARSHAL GIVE YOU A NUMBER, WHAT THE MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY IS? BECAUSE WE CAN'T REALLY ESTIMATE FROM HERE'S OFFICES. WELL, HOW MANY PEOPLE AT ONE TIME FIT IN THIS PLACE. THE MAIN REASON, MY LAST, IS SIMPLY THIS. 9th STREET AND 36th, WHAT DOES THE ARTERIAL AND COLLECTIVE DESIGNATION REALLY MEAN? 9th STREET, AS ADEQUATE AS IT IS FOR LIGHTESIDTIAL TRAFFIC, WITH THE PORTE-COCHERE ON 9th STREET, WHERE DOES IT COME IN? WHERE DOES IT GO OUT? IS IT ONE WAY, TWO WAY? ARE THEY COMING DOWN 9th STREET? I'M OPPOSED TO IT AT THIS POINT BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION. ALTHOUGH I DO SHARE THE ENTHUSIASM FOR FIXING THE BUILDING. THANKS. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MA'AM. ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? HAVE YOU BEEN SWORN, MA'AM? >> I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN. MY NAME IS LOURDES MUNOZ. I AM LOOKING AT MYSELF RIGHT NOW. I LIVE AT 3408 EAST 8th AVENUE, WHICH IS ONE BLOCK TO THE WEST. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CAN YOU STEP A LITTLE CLOSER? THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. I JUST COULDN'T HEAR YOU. >> OKAY. IS THAT BETTER? OKAY. I'M STILL LOOKING AT MYSELF, THOUGH. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MAYBE THE CTTV FOLKS CAN FIX THAT. >> I'D APPRECIATE IT. I HAVE BEEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SINCE I WAS A CHILD. I'VE BEEN THERE IN EXCESS OF FOUR DECADES. I'VE SEEN A LOT COME AND GO. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS BUILDING FIXED UP, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT FIXED UP CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IT'S ALREADY ZONED FOR, A MULTIFAMILY BUILDING. IT COULD BE A BEAUTIFUL SET OF LUXURY APARTMENTS. IT COULD BE MANY THINGS, WHICH WOULD FIT INTO THE CURRENT ZONING, WOULD FIT INTO THE PLAN FOR THE PARKING SPACES AND WOULD REALLY ADD TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK ITS CURRENT PROPOSED USE IS GOING TO BE DETRIMENTAL TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. YES, GRANTING PERMISSION FOR THEM TO DO THE THINGS THEY HAVE DESCRIBED MAY SOUND ALL GOOD AND WELL, BUT WHAT HAPPENS IF ON DAY TWO THEY DECIDE THEY ARE GOING TO HOST A WEDDING RECEPTION ON FLOOR THREE, A CONCERT ON FLOOR TWO, AND WHATNOT? YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOTHING TO STOP THAT FROM HAPPENING BECAUSE YOU CAN'T PUT THAT CONDITION ON THEM. YOU ALSO NOW CANNOT LIMIT THE HOURS OF OPERATION. SO THESE EVENTS, WHATEVER THEY MAY BE, COULD GO AT ALL HOURS OF THE DAY AND NIGHT. I ALSO AM OF THE BELIEFHAT R A BUILDING THIS SIZE, THE TEN SPACES THAT THEY WOULD LIKE, PLUS THE CHURCH'S, IF IT'S NOT IN VIOLATION OF THEIR SPECIAL USE PERMIT ARE SIMPLY NOT ENOUGH. AND PEOPLE HAVE NOWHERE TO GO BUT THE RIGHTS-OF-WAY, WHICH ARE MAINTAINED BY THE PROPERTY OWNERS. NOW, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT IT'S PRETTY HARD TO MAINTAIN THE GRASS WHEN PEOPLE ARE PARKING ON IT. ENGINE BURNING, TRACK MARKS, WHATNOT. NOT TO MENTION TRASH WHEN PEOPLE PARK AT EVENTS AT VENUES, THEY DO TEND TO THR THE TRASH OUT. THAT'S NOTHING THE OWNER CAN CONTROL. WE ALSO HAVE THE ISSUE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS A GREAT PLACE TO WALK. A GREAT PLACE TO WALK YOUR ANIMALS. PEOPLE ARE FINALLY CONGREGATING ON THE CORNERS, HEY, HOW ARE YOU DOING? HOW IS THE HUSKY? OH, HE'S GREAT. HOW IS THE CHIHUAHUA? BUT WE DON'T HAVE SIDEWALKS. SO WE HAVE TO DO THIS ALONG THE RIGHTS-OF-WAY. SINCE THERE IS NO LIMIT ON WHEN WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO? THROADUR DOGS IN THE MIDDLE OF SO, AGAIN, IT ALL SOUNDS REALLY AND GOOD ON DAY ONE. BUT ONCE THAT SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS GRANTED, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE IT BACK BECAUSE THERE'S A WEDDING RECEPTION OR THERE'S ALCOHOL. IF IT IS GOING TO BE FOR THE COMMUNITY, I AGREE, WHY DOES IT HAVE ALCOHOL AT ALL? MY CONCERN IS, YOU'RE GIVING PERMISSION TO THE LAMB, BUT IT LEAVES THE WAY OPEN FOR THE LION. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MA'AM. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? >> NO MORE SPEAKERS AT THIS TIME. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT. THE APPLICANT -- SORRY. SOMEBODY ON THE PHONE NOW? ONE SECOND, MR. POWELL. WE HAVE ONE PERSON REGISTERED ON THE PHONE. >>THE CLERK: MR. JOHN CAUSE AEN IF YOU CAN UNMUTE JUVENILE, YOUU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. >> CAN YOU HEAR ME? >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE CAN HEAR YOU. NEEDS TO BE SWORN IN, CORRECT? >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS HIS CAMERA ON. >>THE CLERK: YOU NEED TO ENABLE YOUR VIDEO. >> I CAN DO A VIDEO. I'M ON MY iPAD. IF YOU CAN PICK ME UP. ARE WE READY FOR A GO? >>THE CERK: NO. WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SEE YOU. YOU NEED TO TURN ON YOUR VIDEO ICON. >> HOW ABOUT THAT? >>ORLANDO GUDES: NO, SIR. >> MR. CHAIR, CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. I BELIEVE, IF I MAY, I BELIEVE HIS NAME WAS MR. COSTEN, PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT. THERE'S NO PROVISION THAT HE CAN -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: EXCUSE ME? THIS IS A QUASI-JUDICIAL MATTER, CORRECT? >> YES. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT REQUIRES VIDEO. THAT'S PART OF THE RULES FOR VIRTUAL MEETINGS. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IS THAT OUR RULES? >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CAN WE WAIVE THEM? >>MARTIN SHELBY: I DON'T BELIEVE WE CAN. HERE WE GO. THANK YOU. >>THE CLERK: YOU NEED TO UNMUTE YOURSELF, MR. COSTEN. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: UNMUTE YOURSELF, SIR, AND START OVER. >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. >>THE CLERK: MR. COSTEN, WE CANNOT HEAR YOU. PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF. CLICK ON THE MIKE. THERE YOU GO. >> OKAY. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? >>ORLANDO GUDES: ARE YOU SWORN IN? NEED TO BE SWORN IN. >>THCLERK: PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? >> YES, I DO. >>THE CLERK: THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT. SIR, STATE YOUR NAME AND YOU CAN BEGIN. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MY NAME IS JOHN COSTEN. I LIVE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PROPERTY. I HAVE BEEN IN THE AREA FOR 31 YEARS. ACTUALLY, WITH THE HELP OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION REALLY HELPED ME INITIALLY MOVE IN HERE. I'VEEEN THIS AREA CHANGE QUITE A BIT. WHEN I FIRST CAME IN HERE, THERE WERE CRACK HOUSES, BURN HOUSES. IT WASN'T A VERY GOOD AREA TO LIVE IN, BUT IT HAS CHANGED IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS OR SO. IT'S MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE. IT'S SAFE. PEOPLE ARE TAKING CARE OF THEIR PROPERTY. IT'S UPLIFTING. THE CHURCH, THEY WERE GOOD NEIGHBORS. AND I HAVE ISSUES WITH THE DESIGNATION OF THE PROPERTY AS TTING ON EVENTS. PART OF IT IS PARKING. THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARKING THERE. I KNOW FOR SURE THEY ARE GOING TO PARK IN MY SPACE AFTERWARDS AND BLOCK MY DRIVEWAY, THAT'S A POSSIBILITY, WHICH WOULD BE CUMBERSOME FOR ME. AND THEN ALSO, THE NOISE FACTOR. I WAS ALSO TOLD THAT THEY ARE GOING TO USE, OPEN UP THE ROOF AND USE THE EVENTS ON THE ROOF, TOO, WHICH WOULD INCREASE THE NOISE LEVEL. SOUND CARRIES. ON THE WEEKENDS SOMETIMES I HEAR MUSIC ALL THE WAY DOWN IN YBOR CITY, WHICH IS LIKE 14 BLOCKS AWAY WHERE ALL THE BARS ARE. I CAN IMAGINE WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE TO HEAR THOSE KIND OF EVENTS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, AND I WOULD HAVE ISSUES WITH THAT. I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA THAT THEY ARE RENOVATING THE BUILDING. I THINK THE MULTIUSE AS AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, A LIVING SPACE, WOULD BE MUCH MORE CONDUCIVE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAN AN EVENT SPACE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT. IS THAT IT, SIR? >> YEAH, THAT WILL BE IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU. WE'LL GO BACK TO THE APPLICANT. FIVE MINUTES FOR REBUTTAL. >> YES. ONE, I WOULD LIKE TO START, BEFORE I PURCHASED THAT BUILDING -- >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, EXCUSE ME, MR. POWELL, SHOULD WE ASK QUESTIONS BEFORE HIS REBUTTAL? THAT'S WHAT I KNOW MR. SHELBY LIKES BETTER. >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT WAY HE CAN SUM UP AND REBUTT THSAME TIME. HE CAN HAVE THE LAST WORD. >>MARTIN SHELBY: ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. POWELL, GOOD AFTERNOON. JUST AS A MATTER OF DISCLOSURE, MR. SHELBY, I'VE KNOWN MR. POWELL PROFESSIONALLY. HE WAS MY INSURANCE AGENT FOR MANY, MANY YEARS AND GOOD GUY. BUT WITH THAT SAID, I CAN BE COMPLETELY OBJECTIVE IN MY DECISION MAKING AND IN MY QUESTIONS. SO WITH THAT SAID -- OH, THE HER DISCLOSURE IS I THINK ABOUT FOUR, FIVE YEARS AGO, AS A REALTOR, I ACTUALLY SOLD THIS BUILDING FOR THE CHURCH LADIES, NOT TO BUILD POWELL, BUT TO HIS PREDECESSOR PURCHASER. I CAN'T REMEMBER THE ORGANIZATION THAT FIRST BOUGHT IT FROM THE CHURCH. I WAS INVOLVED IN THAT SALE. AGAIN, THAT HAS NO BEARING ON MY ABILITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS AT ALL, BECAUSE THAT WAS FOUR, FIVE YEARS AGO. I'M JUST VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: OKAY. THAT BEING THE CASE, THEN YOU HAVE NO FINANCIAL INTEREST IN THIS MATTER WHATSOEVER. >>JOHN DINGFELR: CRECT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: BASED UPON WHAT YOU TOLD ME, YOU CAN BE FAIR AND IMPARTIAL AND BASE YOUR DECISION ON THE COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: TOTALLY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU, SIR. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JUST WANTED TO GET THAT OUT OF THE WAY. MY QUESTIONS, CEDRIC, I THINK I MISSED THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS PRESENTATION, BUT I HAD HEARD YOU GIVE THIS PRESENTATION EARLIER. BUT IN LIGHT OF WHAT YOU'RE HEARING, I GUESS I'M WONDERING -- AND YOU DON'T EVEN NECESSARILY HAVE T ANSR THIS -- BUT I'M WONDERING FROM A PRACTICAL FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE, WHY NOT MULTIFAMILY? THE CURRENT ZONING IS FOR MULTIFAMILY, RESIDENTIAL 20. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY UNITS THAT COULD ALLOW AS A POSSIBILITY. I AM FAMILIAR WITH THIS BUILDING, AND IT HAS A FAIR AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE IN THE BUILDING THAT COULD BE BROKEN UP INTO MULTIFAMILY. BUT WHY NOT MULTIFAMILY? THAT'S QUESTION NUMBER ONE. QUESTION NUMBER TWO IS IT APPEARS TO ME, JUST ANSWER SOMEBODY'S QUESTION, THAT AS PART OF THE SITE PN AND REDEVELOPMENT, YOU HAVE TO PUT IN SIDEWALKS, IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES NUMBER THREE IS, SOMEBODY SAID YOU MIGHT BE USING THE ROOF FOR ADDITIONAL RECREATIONAL PURPOSES, IS THAT IN YOUR PLAN? >> THAT IS IN THE PLAN. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY. QUESTION NUMBER FOUR IS, HOURS OF OPERATION. AGAIN, I CAME IN A LITTLE LATE TO THE DISCUSSION, BUT ARE YOU PROPOSING ANY SELF-IMPOSED LIMITS IN TERMS OF HOURS O OPERATION? HAS THAT COME UP IN THE DISCUSSION TODAY? >> YEAH. I'M IN AGREEANCE WITH THE PREVIOUS AGREEMENT WE HAD LAST, SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, THE 9 P.M. AND THE HOURS WE AGREED >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY. I THOUGHT WE DID. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: IF I MAY. CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. AS I PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED IN MY OPENING REMARKS -- UPON FURTHER VIEW AFTER THE INITIAL REVIEW ON JULY 29 OF 2021, THE CONDITIONS THAT CITY COUNCIL PLACED ON THE HOURS OF OPERATION ARE OUTSIDE OF CHAPTER 27 -- REGARDING THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY. AS SUCH, THERE IS NO ENFORCEMENT OF THE HOURS OF OPERATION. AS SUCH, THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT IS ASKING THAT NO CONDITIONS BE PLACED REGARDING THE OPERATION OR THE HOURS BE PLACED ON THE PROPERTY. THERE IS NO MEANS OF ENFORCEMENT FOR THAT. >>JOHNINGFDER: APOLOGIZE. LIKE I SAY, I CAME IN LATE AND MISSED THAT. SO THIS IS NOT THE WET ZONING PROCEDURE THEN. IS THAT CORRECT? >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: THAT IS CORRECT. WE ARE NOT HERE, MR. DINGFELDER, REGARDING SPECIAL USE 2 FOR AN ALCOHOL BEVERAGE. THIS IS ONLY ABOUT THE DESIGNATION OF THE RECREATIONAL FACILITY PRIVATE. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY. SO IF THEY WERE TO NEED OR WANT ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES ON THE PREMISES, THEY WOULD NEED TO COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL THROUGH ONE OF THE SPECIAL USE PROCESSES OR NO? >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: WELL, THERE'S A TWO-PART -- THAT'S A MULTIPLE-FACETED QUESTION. SO AS PRESENTED TODAY OR WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED IS HE WANTS TO USE THIS AS A RECREATIONAL PRIVATE FACILITY TO ALLOW EVENTS AT HIS FACILITY. AS SUCH, I BELIEVE HE WANTS CATERERS TO BE ABLE TO COME TO HIS FACILITY. CATERERS ARE ABLE TO HAVE THEIR OWN LICENSE FOR ALCOHOL. BUT HE'S WANTING TO HAVE THE PROPERTY -- TO HAVE THEIR OWN ALCOHOL BEVERAGE LICENSE, THAT IS A SEPARATE PROCESS THAT'S NOT BEFORE YOU TODAY. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY. I GOTCHA. THANK YOU, MADAM ATTORNEY. SO, CEDRIC, I GUESS THAT JUST BOILS BACK TO THAT ORIGINAL QUESTION OF WHY NOT MULTIFAMILY? >> I THINK WITH MULTIFAMILY YOU STILL RUN INTO THE CHALLENGE WITH PARKING. IF YOU HAVE TEN UNITS IN THERE, YOU COULD STILL HAVE COMPLAINTS ABOUT PARKING. AND THEN I THINK ABOUT MULTIFAMILY, YOU'VE GOT 10 TO 20 PEOPLE CAN USE THE BUILDING. I WANT THE BUILDING FOR EVERYONE TO USE, WHETHER IT'S THE LOCAL COMPUTER MENTORS PROGRAM OR THE CHURCH WANT TO DO A NICE BANQUET THERE. I WANT IT FOR EVERYONE TO USE, NOT JUST 10 OR 20 RESIDENTS OF THE BUILDING. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY. THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. MR. CHAIRMAN, I GUESS HE HAS FIVE MINUTES TO REBUT UNLESS THERE ARE ANY MORE QUESTIONS. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. >>LUIS VIERA: I WANT TO ASK THE ATTORNEY A QUESTION, IF I MAY. WE SAW MR. GRAY HERE FROM THE URBAN LEAGUE. OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION, I WANT TO ASK AND I GUESS DISCLOSE, I DON'T THINK THIS IS A CONFLICT. I'M A MEMBER OF THE URBAN LEAGUE. I'VE SOLICITED PEOPLE BEFORE TO JOIN THEIR BOARD. I THINK ONE INDIVIDUAL. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, DOES THAT RISE TO A LEVEL OF CONFLICT? >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE URBAN LEAGUE, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING -- THIS IS FOR THE PETITIONER -- THE URBAN LEAGUE DOES NOT HAVE ANY FINANCIAL INTEREST IN THIS -- FOR THIS APPLICATION, FOR THIS PROJECT, IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND THERE IS NO RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THIS PROJECT AND THE URBAN LEAGUE OTHER THAN THE GENTLEMAN'S AFFIRMATION OF SUPPORT, IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: WELL, THEN, SIR, THERE'S NO CONFLICT WHATSOEVER. >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY. WASN'T THE URBAN LEAGUE GOING TO USE THE FACILITY? >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF THIS IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, YOU CAN INQUIRE AS TO WHETHERHAT' SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE. BUT THE QUESTION IS, IF SOMEBODY FROM THE PUBLIC OR SOMEBODY FROM AN ORGANIZATION IS IN FAVOR OF SOMETHING, YOU CAN STILL BE FAIR AND IMPARTIAL AND BASE YOUR DECISION ON THE COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD, IS THAT TRUE? >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR. JUST OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION. >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND THANK YOU FOR THE COLLOQUY. THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, DID YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? I JUST WANT TO VOICE MY CONCERNS. THIS HISTORIC CIGAR FACTORY HAS BEEN BOUGHT AND SOLD MANY TIMES. WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, IT IS A GREAT IDEA, A GREAT CONCEPT. IT'S GOING TO HELP AN HISTORIC BUILDING. MY CONCERNS ARE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NOISE, AND YOU KEEP BRINGING UP THE MACHINE FACTORY ACROSS THE STREET OR THE BUSINESSES UP AND DOWN THE STREET, BUT THOSE BUSINESSES CLOSE AT 5:00, 6:00, 7:00 AT NIGHT. YOUR CONCEPT AND IDEA IS GOING TO BE GOING FURTHER INTO THE EVENING. NOW, YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT PARKING, WHICH IS A CONCERN OF MINE, AND YOU SAID THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE USING THE CHURCH PARKING. WELL, THAT BUILDING CAN BE BOUGHT AND SOLD ALSO. IF THAT BUILDING GETS SOLD, ALONG WITH THE PARKING, AND THE NEW OWNER SAYS, NO, WE DON'T WANT YOU USING THAT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO CONVERT THAT, THERE GOES YOUR PARKING. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ALCOHOL SALES HERE. HOWEVER IN THE FUTURE, IF ONE GOES ALONG WITH THIS PROPERTY, IT GOES WITH THE PROPERTY FROM THAT POINT FORWARD. GOING BACK TO PROPERTIES ARE BOUGHT AND SOLD, YOU MAY SELL THIS PROPERTY AND SOME NEW OWNER MIGHT COME IN AND WANT TO START A NIGHTCLUB THERE. SO I HAVE CONCERNS, PARKING, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE EVENING AFTER THESE OTHER BUSINESSES CLOSE DOWN AND THE NOISE LEVELS THATIGHT INTERFERE WITH THE RESIDENTS AROUND THE AREA. SO I'M JUST VOICING MY CONCERNS, AND IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THOSE, THAT'S FINE. BUT I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW WHERE MY THOUGHTS ARE AT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. POWELL, DO YOU WANT TO RESPOND? >> YES, I APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS, MR. CITRO. I'LL JUST ADDRESS THE NOISE. IT FEELS LIKE MOST OF THE COMMENTS WERE AROUND NOISE, AND WE WOULD BE LUCKY TO HOST ONE OR TWO O TEE WEDDINGS A MONTH IN THIS BUILDING. THERE ARE 30 DAYS IN THE MONTH, WE WOULD BE LUCKY IF WE DID HOST A WEDDING 10% OF THE TIME IN THE BUILDING. THE MAJORITY OF THE BUILDING WOULD BE USED AS OFFICE SPACE, COMMUNITY EVENT SPACE, A USE THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE OR WON'T MAKE A LOT OF NOISE IN THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS. IT'S EYE OPENING HOW I'M HEARING NOISE, NOISE, NOISE, AND THE WEEKEND, PER SE, EXISTS OF EIGHT DAYS OUT OF 30 DAYS, AND WE WOULD BE ASTOUNDINGLY LUCKY IF WE CAN GET THAT MANY WEDDINGS IN THIS BUILDING. ALSO, JUST TO THINK OF PARKING. TO THE NORTHEAST SIDE OF 36th STREET EXISTS A HUGE COMMERCIAL OPERATION. SO I'VE BEEN IN TALKS WITH THE OWNER OF THAT IN TERMS OF ALSO BEING AN OPPORTUNITY IF WE DID HAVE A SIZABLE CHURCH REVIVAL OR BANQUET OF SOME SORT, BEING ABLE TO BE A VALET, USE THE PARKING TO THE NORTHEAST. I'VE ALSO BEEN IN COMMUNICATION, IN CONTACT WITH THE ROOFING COMPANY TO THE SOUTHEAST ABOUT USE OF THE PARKING. AND MAJORITY OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN VERY FAVORABLE TO WHAT'S GOING ON. QUITE FRANKLY, JUST THINKING ABOUT THE LETTERS, EVEN WHEN TALKING TO MY NEIGHBOR WHO TODAY CAME UP AND OPPOSED, WHEN WE TALKED, HE WAS PRETTY POSITIVE ABOUT IT. >>HN DGFELR: MR. CITRO HAS ONE OTHER QUESTION. >>JOSEPH CITRO: I DIDN'T WANT TO CUT HIM OFF, MR. CHAIR AND MR. MIRANDA. I SHOULD HAVE SPECIFIED WHEN I SAID NOISE. IT WASN'T A NOISE COMING FROM THE BUILDING. TO MR. GRAY'S POINT ABOUT WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN SOUTH TAMPA, ESPECIALLY WITH VALET, ESPECIALLY WITH HOURS OF OPERATIONS, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE NOISE IN THE ESTABLISHMENT. IT'S THE PEOPLE LEAVING THE ESTABLISHMENTS AND GOING TO THEIR CARS THAT MAY BE ON THE SIDE STREETS, THAT MAY BE VALETED TO FURTHER AWAY. IT'S THE AFTER-HOUR NOISE THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT. AGAIN, THIS ICONIC CIGAR FACTORY THAT HAS A RICH HISTORY OF HUNDREDS OF WORKERS WALKING IN AND OUT OF EACH AND EVERY DAY, I WANT TO SEE REJUVENATED, NEW LIFE PUT INTO IT. >> THAT'S WHY I'M HERE. >>JOSEPH CITRO: BUT, EXCUSE ME, MR. CHAIR, HOWEVER, I DON'T WANT IT TO HAVE TO AFFECT THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE THERE 24/7/365. SO THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. MIRANDA, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR COMMENT? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'VE HEARD A GENTLEMAN COME UP AND SAY JUST LIKE WE DID ON BAYSHORE. WELL, LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT BAYSHORE. THIS COUNCILMAN VOTED AGAINST IT. I VOTED AGAINST BAYSHORE BECAUSE IN MY OPINION THEN AND TODAY, I STILL THINK IT WAS WRONG TO PUT A CLUB ON BAYSHORE BACKING UP TO A NEIGHBORHOOD -- A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, WHEN YOU HAVE -- AND THIS STARTED OUT IN ALCOHOL NINGS. IT WAS NEVER DONE PRIMARILY FOR BUILDINGS. JUST ALCOHOL ZONINGS, WHEN YOU STARTED BRINGING IN IN SOUTH TAMPA, THEY DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING. SO THEY WOULD WANT A LOUNGE, BAR RESTAURANT. TWO BLOCKS AWAY, WE'RE GOING TO LEASE THIS. THAT'S WHAT STARTED THE WHOLE THING. I SAID THEN, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WHEREVER THEY ARE RUNNING FROM, IT WILL BE TAKEN UP BY SOME OTHER PERSONS WHO WANTS TO BUILD SOMETHING, WHETHER AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, HOTEL, OR TWO-CAR GARAGE, WHATEVER IT IS, WHAT HAPPENS THEN? THAT PERSON WHO GOT WHATEVER IT E AVAILABILITY OF THE LOT. THAT LOT IS GONE NOW. SO WHAT DO WE DO? WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING BECAUSE YOU DID IT. SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS TO ME, WHEN YOU HAVE TO LEASE SOMETHING AND YOU HAVE TO FIND THINGS TO SATISFY THE MEANS OF WHICH ANYONE WANTS TO GET INVOLVED IN, THAT THROWS UP A THOUSAND RED FLAGS IN MY HEAD. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU, SIR. I'M TALKING ABOUT WHAT I JUST SAID. WHAT ARE WE DOING? THE WINDOWS SHOULD BE INSTALLED TO STOP SOME NOISE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN INSTALL WIOWS A BUILDING THAT'S ANTIQUATED TO THAT HISTORICAL DESIGNATION. I THINK YOU HAVE TO INSTALL THE REGULAR WINDOWS. I'M NOT SURE. I'M NOT TELLING YOU OR ANYONE ELSE WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF THAT IS THE CASE. IF THAT IS THE CASE, THAT MEANS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE NOISE. SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS, TREE BUFFERS, PARKING, TEN SPACES, AND I THINK YOU NEEDED 40. WHAT DOES THAT TELL ME? LET'S GO BACK IN HISRY. MARK MY WORDS, EVERY CIGAR FACTORY THAT WAS BUILT NEVER, EVER WAS ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT PARKING. YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE NO EMPLOYEE HAD A CAR. AND THEY LIVED RIGHT THERE. THEY WORKED RIGHT THERE. THEY TAKE THEIR LUNCH, EAT THEIR LUNCH AND GO BACK TO WORK. IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL THING UNTIL AUTOMOBILES WERE INVENTED AND SCREWED UP THE WHOLE THING. WHAT HAPPENED, HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF EVERY SINGLE DAY. YOU JUST HAVE TO LIVE LONG ENOUGH. THANK YOU, GOD. WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS I WANT TO HELP, BUT THE PETITIONER HIMSELF HAS SAID THAT HE KNEW WHEN HE BOUGHT THE PLACE THAT THEY ONLY HAD TEN SPACES OF PARKING. IN THE BEGINNING, YOU SAID, YES, THERE WERE TEN SPACES WHEN I BOUGHT THE PLACE. AM I CORRECT? >> WELL, BASED ON OUR DRAWINGS, WE CREATED TEN BECAUSE I HAD COMMUNICATION WITH THE CHURCH TO USE THEIR PARKING, AND I KNOW EARLIER THEY MENTIONED THE CHURCH HAD TEN PARKING SPOTS. BASED ON HOW YOU PARK, YOU COULD GET MORE THAN THAT. ALSO, I HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE OWNER OF THE DAY CARE, THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING, THE ROOFING COMPANY ON THE SOUTHEAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING AS WELL AS THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE AT 36th STREET,% WITH ALL OF THOSE, WE DESIGNED OUR PARKING TO KEEP THE HISTORICAL DESIGNATION. SO PART OF OUR LIMITATION WAS WANTING TO KEEP THE HISTORICAL DESIGNATION AND NOT HAVING TO TEAR DOWN 111-YEAR-OLD BUILDING, WHICH ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF GARY SPECIAL. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ALL RIGHT. AS OUR CHAIRMAN WOULD SAY, LET'S TRY AND BRING THIS IN FOR A LANDING. DOES ANYBODY HAVE A QUESTIONS SO HE CAN WRAP UP? MR. CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: IS IT STILL POSSIBLE TO ASK LEGAL A QUESTION? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SURE. GO AHEAD, BILL. >>BILL CARLSON: THE QUESTION IS, JUST TO REITERATE, YOU KIND OF COVERED THIS EARLIER, WE CANNOT IN THIS PROCEEDING ADD ANY HOURS OF OPERATION OR SOUND REQUIREMENTS, IS THAT CORRECT? WE CANNOT? >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. YES, THAT IS CORRECT. YOU CANNOT PLACE OPERATIONAL CONDITIONS ON A SPECIAL USE APPLICATION. AND I BELIEVE MR. COTTON CAN PROVIDE SOME FURTHER INFORMATION. >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN, WAIT A SECOND. SORRY TO INTERRUPT. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER MR. COTTON WANTS TO SPEAK. MR. COTTON, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY TO FOLLOW UP TO THAT? >>ERIC COTTON: ERIC COTTON, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION. I WANTED TO MAKE STATEMENTS REGARDING SOME OF THE DISCUSSION THAT'S TAKEN PLACE, REGARDING PARKING, ALCOHOL SALES, MULTIFAMILY USE. A LOT OF TOPICS TOUCHED ON, I WANT TO ADDRESS, IF I CAN ADDRESS ALL OF THEM IN ABOUT TWO MINUTES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: GO AHEAD. >>ERIC COTTON: MULTIFAMILY U, RM-16, LAND USE IS R-20. DEPENDENT UPON PARKING AVAILABLE, THEORETICALLY THE DENSITY ON THAT PROPERTY COULD BE UP TO SIX UNITS. SIX UNITS IF THEY WERE ALL, ASSUMING TWO-FAMILY UNITS, YOU'RE REQUIRED TWO SPACES -- ONE -- TWO SPACES -- YOU NEED ABOUT 14 PARKING SPACES. THE TEN MIGHT BE ABLE TO FUNCTION DEPENDING ON HOW THE INSIDE IS LAID OUT AND ALL AND HOW MANY UNITS ARE ACTUALLY PROPOSED. REGARDING THE PARKING ISSUE, AS OF RIGHT NOW, RECREATIONAL FACILITY REQUIRES FIVE PARKING SPACES PER 1,000 SQUARE FEET OF GROSS FLOOR AREA. OVERALL, THAT BUILDING NEEDS 48 PARKING SPACES AS ONE OF THE REVIEWED SU-1. HE HAS 10. HE APPLIED FOR A PARKING WAIVER. THAT REQUEST WAS DENIED. IF HE IS PROPOSING TO USE OFF-SITE PARKING AS PART OF A REQUIREMENT FOR THE -- TO MEET THE REQUIRED PARKING, HE WOULD HAVE TO APPLY FOR A NEW DESIGN EXCEPTION AND PRESENT LEASES TO THE CITY THAT WOULD BE REVIEWED BY THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT. EACH LEASE HAS TO BE I BELIEVE A MINIMUM OF TEN YEARS, TO SHARE WHAT THE PARKING IS, WHEN THE PARKING IS AVAILABLE. LIKE, IF HE'S USING PARKING AT THE CHURCH AND THE CHURCH IS IN OPERATION ON SUNDAY MORNINGS, HE CAN'T HAVE HIS BUSINESS OPERATING ON SUNDAY MORNINGS BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE A CONFLICT IN THE PARKING, AND PARKING WOULDN'T BE AVAILABLE FOR THE RECREATIONAL FACILITY. THE LAST COMMENT ABOUT THE ALCOHOL, AND I KNOW THAT WAS A COMPARISON MADE TO I BELIEVE THE STOVALL ON BAYSHORE, OR THE CLUB THAT PEOPLE WERE REFERRING TO, RIGHT NOW WITH THE RM 16 ZONING, HE CAN'T APPLY FOR ALCOHOL. RM 16 DOES NOT ALLOW FOR ALCOHOL SALES. HE WOULD HAVE TO REZONE THE PROPERTY TO A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, SORT OF LIKE WHAT WAS DONE WITH THE OTHER CLUB THAT WAS REFERENCED. COME BEFORE COUNCIL FOR REZONING AND THEN COME TO COUNCIL FOR THE ALCOHOL REQUEST. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. COTTON. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MR. COTTON, ONE QUESTION. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OLD ON, MR. MIRANDA. MR. VIERA IS FIRST. UNLESS MR. SHELBY NEEDED TO JUMP IN. >>MARTIN SHELBY: FOLLOW UP AND ULMATE, AND A REMINDER THAT WHAT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY IS GOVERNED BY SPECIFIC SECTIONS OF THE CODE, AND THE GENERAL STANDARDS OF 27-129. THAT'S UPON WHICH YOU HAVE TO APPLY THE FACTS TO SEE WHETHER THE BURDEN HAS BEEN MET. SO I JUST ASK YOU TO REFER TO THE RULES THEMSELVES AND THE FACTS YOU FIND THEM TO MAKE A DETERMINATION BASED ON THE EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR. I APPRECIATE IT. MR POWELL, WHEN I LOOK AT THIS CASE, THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE KNOWN AND THEN THERE ARE THINGS UNKNOWN. THE UNKNOWN TROUBLES ME. THE KNOWN GIVES ME COMFORT. BUT THE UNKNOWN IS AN ISSUE. WHAT WE KNOW IS MR. POWELL'S INTENTION WITH THIS BUILDING IS TO CALL IT LAUDABLE, I MEAN, WE'VE ALL -- HIS INTENT HAS BEEN STATED, WHICH HAS BEEN REFLECTED IN THE MEDIA BEFORE, AND TO CALL IT LAUDABLE IS A HECK OF AN UNDERSTATEMENT. THE CHALLENGE COMES WITH WHAT RUNS WITH THAT LAND. THAT'S WHY I'M TORN ON THIS ONE. BUT MR. POWELL'S INTENTION WITH THIS IS REALLY REMARKABLE IN THE SENSE THAT THIS IS A GENTLEMAN WHO BY ALL APPEARANCES DOING SOMETHING WITH AN HISTORIC BUILDING WITH REGARDS TO HIS INTENT AS I UNDERSTAND IT WE SHOULD ALL BE APPLAUDING, THAT WE SHOULD ALL BE APPLAUDING. IT'S REALLY A GOOD THING. AGAIN, THE UNKNOWN IS TROUBLING ME. AS FOR ME, I'M TORN. JUST MY COMMENTS. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. VIERA. MR. MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I CHANGED MY MIND. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO QSTIO RIGH. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A TIGHT FIVE-MINUTE WRAP-UP. MR. CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I JUST ASK, USUALLY IN OTHER KINDS OF HEARINGS AT THIS POINT, WE SOMETIMES ASK THE ATTORNEYS TO LET THE APPLICANT OR HEARING PERSON KNOW WHAT THEIR OPTIONS ARE. IN THIS CASE, THERE'S NO CHOICE, WE HAVE TO VOTE UP OR DOWN TONIGHT. WE CAN'T CONTINUE, RIGHT? AND IF THIS IS VOTED -- IF THIS IS UPHELD TODAY, IS THE APPLICANT STILL ABLE TO COME BACK RIGHT AWAY FORHE PD APPLICATION? OR IS THERE SOME PERIOD HE HAS TO WAIT? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IF IT'S DENIED? >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN ADDRESS THAT. THERE HAS BEEN NO REQUEST FOR A CONTINUANCE. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THERE COULD BE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: COULD BE. HE DOES HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REBUT. HE HASN'T GIVEN HIS FIVE-MINUTE REBUTTAL YET. THE QUESTION IS, WHAT IS THE BASIS OF THE CONTINUANCE AND WHY WOULD THE COUNCIL GRANT IT, OBVIOUSLY? BUT ALSO WITH REGARDS TO THE RAMIFICATIONS, THAT'S NOT RELEVANT TO THE DECISION, RESPECTFULLY, TO COUNCIL. THIS EITHER MEETS THE CRITERIA BASED ON THE COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE OR IT DOES NOT. AND ULTIMATELY THAT'S WHAT THE COURT IS GOING TO LOOK TO, AND THAT'S FRANKLY UPON WHICH YOU SHOULD BASE YOUR DECISION. IF YOU'RE CURIOUS AS TO THAT, I WOULD BE CONCERN AS TO ITS EFFECT ON THE RECORD OF THIS HEARING. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK THOSE ARE WISE WORDS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO INTO FINAL REBUTTAL BY THE PETITIONER? ALL RIGHT. MR. POWELL, YOU'VE GOT FIVE MINUTES, AND AS MR. CARLSON SAID, IF THERE'S A REASON WHY YOU'D WANT TO ASK FOR A CONTINUANCE, THAT'S YOUR PREROGATIVE. >> I THINK JUST MY PURCHASE OF THE BUILDING HAS IMPROVED THE NEIGHBORHOOD. BEFORE I BOUGHT THE BUILDING, THERE WERE 15 MATTRESSES, DRESSERS, TRASH, LITTER ON THE SIDE OF THE CIGAR FACTORY. AND EVEN AFTER PURCHASE, EVEN AFTER I CLEANED THE AREA UP, EVERY OTHER WEE I WOULD HAVE TO BRING A DUMPSTER TO CLEAN THIS SITE UP. VIRTUALLY IN THE LAST THREE TO FIVE YEARS, NOTHING WAS GOING ON, EVEN JUST TO CUT THE GRASS THERE. JUST DOING THAT, JUST BEING WILLING TO KEEP THE EXTERIOR CLEAN HAS IMPROVED THE NEIGHBORHOOD ONE. NUMBER TWO, JUST THINKING ABOUT OUR PREVIOUS MEETING, WILLING TO SELF-IMPOSE THE HOURS OF LIMITATION OF OPERATION TO MAKE SURE THERE IS AN AWESOME RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITY. LUKE I PREVIOUSLY -- LIKE I PREVIOUSLY STATED WITH PASTOR RICHARDSON TO MY WEST AND MR. BOW TO MY DIRECT NORTH, PHENOMENAL RELATIONSHIP. I TALK TO THEM WEEKLY WITH WHAT'S GOING ON IN THERE. THEY ARE HAPPY. ANOTHER THING, APPLYING FOR THE HISTORICAL DESIGNATION, MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT I SPOKE TO, ESPECIALLY LEGAL COUNSEL, THEY YOSELF BY DOING THAT, AND I TOLD THEM MY GOAL IS TO KEEP THIS BUILDING, THE FABRIC THE WAY IT IS AND FOR IT TO BE A BUILDING WHERE EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY CAN ENJOY. YES, WE WOULD LOVE TO HOST LOTS OF WEDDINGS THERE. IN REALITY, WE WOULD BE LUCKY IF WE HAD TWO OR THREE WEDDINGS THERE A MONTH. FOR THE MOST PART, IT'S GOING TO BE A BUILDING WHERE IT'S USED FOR OFFICE SPACE AND COMMUNITY SPACE. IT'S GOING TO BE THE 95 PERCENTILE USE OF THIS BUILDING. THE BUILDING IS 111 YEARS OLD. THE WALLS ARE EXTREMELY THICK. THIS BUILDING IS BUILT TO WITHSTAND EVERYTHING. JUST THE WAY THE BUILDING WAS BUILT IS A NATURAL SOUND BARRIER ITSELF ON THAT. SO MY GOAL, LIKE I MENTIONED, I'M BORN AND RAISED HERE IN TAMPA. I'M A GRADUATE OF ROBINSON HIGH SCHOOL. MY DAD GRADUATED FROM MIDDLETON. MY MOM GRADUATED FROM MIDDLETON ALSO, AND THIS IS MY HOME. I ONLY LEFT TO GO PLAY COLLEGE BASKETBALL FOR FOUR YEARS AND I'VE BEEN BACK IN TAMPA SUPPORTING AS MANY ORGANIZATIONS AS POSSIBLE. BUT I'M HERE TO HELP AND WILLING TO DO GOOD AND PAY IT FORWARD. LOTS OF ORGANIZATIONS HAVE HELPED MOLD ME INTO THE INDIVIDUAL I AM TODAY, BUT THIS IS MY OPPORTUNITY TO PAY IT FORWARD. I SPOKE TO MANY ORGANIZATIONS ABOUT HELPING THEM WITH SPACES FOR WHETHER IT'S MEETINGS OR WHETHER IT'S NIGHTLY TRAINING PROGRAMS. THIS BUILDING IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE ENTIRE GARY COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, SIR. WE APPRECIATE THAT. YES, SIR, MR. SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, MR. CHAIRMAN. MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY. JUST ONE REMINDER AGAIN THAT WITH REGARD TO THIS ITEM THAT ANY REPRESENTATIONS MADE, UNLESS IT'S SOMEHOW ENFORCEABLE, IT WOULD STAY ON THE LAND, WHICH WHAT I'M BASICALLY SAYING IS JUST PLEASE BE REMINDED THAT THE REQUEST THAT YOU'VE GOTTEN WITH REGARD TO THE CONDITIONS THAT MS. PETTIS-MACKLE HAD INSTRUCTED COUNCIL. THANK YOU. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IN OTHER WORDS. WHEN HE SPOKE TO SELF-IMPOSING THE HOURS, HE MEANS SELF-IMPOSING IT, BUT IT'S NOTHING THE CITY CAN PUT IN WRITING AND IMPOSE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF THE BUSINESS SHOULD CHANGE OWNERSHIP, THERE'S NO OBLIGATION FOR THE NEW OWNER TO ABIDE BY THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE EXPRESSED TODAY, THAT ARE NOT ENFORCEABLE. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY. IT'S APPROPRIATE TO CLOSE AT THIS TIME. >> SO MOVED. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MOTION AND SECOND TO CLOSE. MR. MANISCALCO AND MR. CITRO. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. WE'RE CLOSED. DISCUSSION OR A MOTION -- AND/OR A MOTION? BECAUSE THE CHAIRMAN WILL REMAIN QUIET FOR AHANG HOW'S THAT? >>LUIS VIERA: I'M NOT READY TO MAKE A MOTION. I JUST, AGAIN, WANT TO REITERATE THE KNOWNS AND THE UNKNOWNS ON THIS CASE. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, THEN, THAT THIS USE DOES NOT CONTEMPLATE ALCOHOL CORRECT? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WELL, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN NECESSARILY SAY THAT. AT THIS TIME, THE PERMIT IS NOT FOR ALCOHOL. BUT WHEN WE ASKED THE QUESTION, THERE WAS A RESPONSE, I THINK, FROM LEGAL WHICH SAID IF THEY BROUGHT IN A CATERER WHO HAS THEIR OWN LICENSE, THEN THERE COULD BE ALCOHOL AT THAT PARTY. I THINK THAT'S THE ANSWER WE HEARD, MR. SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU WANT TO REOPEN THE HEARING AND HEAR IT FOR YOURSELF. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. VIERA, THAT'S WHAT I RECALL. DO YOU WANT THAT CLARIFICATION FROM LEGAL? >>LUIS VIERA: NO, THAT'S FINE. THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH MY UNDERSTANDING. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ANY OTHER COMMENTS? >>LUIS VIERA: I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT THERE. I'M TORN ON THIS. I'M JUST BEING VERY HONEST. WEAVE A PERSON HERE, MR. POWELL, IS TO CALL HIM A STELLAR CITIZEN FOR DOING WHAT HE'S DONE IS AN UNDERSTATEMENT. HE WANT TO MEET HIM HALFWAY THERE, BUT THE ISSUE IS DO WE MEET HIM HALFWAY TO THE DETRIMENT OF THE COMMUNITY? TO THE EXTENT THERE'S DETRIMENT, IF HE WERE TO CONTINUE TO KEEP THIS BUILDING, I BELIEVE THERE WOULD BE NO DETRIMENT WHATSOEVER. BY VOTING TO OVERTURN, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A LEAP OF FAITH WITH HIM. AND THAT'S THE ISSUE THAT COUNCIL HAS. I DIDN'T PROVIDE ANY GUIDANCE, BUT A LOT OF THOUGHTS. THANK YOU. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR A MOTION? >>MARTIN SHELBY: COUNCIL, YOU HAVE BEEN PROVIDED SAMPLE MOTIONS. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE HAVE SAMPLE MOTIONS. IF COUNCIL IS NOT READY FOR WHATEVER REASON, YOU THINK A CONTINUANCE WOULD BE IN ORDER, YOU COULD GO THAT ROUTE, TOO. >>BILL CARLSON: I CAN TRY ONE, BUT I NEED SOMEBODY TO HELPE WITH THE COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE. LET'S TRY THIS. I MAKE A MOTION TO OVERTURN THE DENIAL. I MOVE TO OVERTURN THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S DENIAL OF SPECIAL USE 1 APPLICATION BECAUSE PETITIONER HAS DEMONSTRATED THAT THE PETITION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE APPLICABLE GENERAL STANDARDS SET FORTH IN SECTION 27-132 AND 27-129. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS EITHER OF THE SPECIFIC REASONS THAT THE STAFF REJECTED IT, THAT WAS THE ACCESS TO THE LOCAL ROAD WAS NUMBER ONE. AND NUMBER TWO WAS PARKING. PARKING AND LOADING AREAS WITHIN 25 FEET OF RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY. ANY FACTS TO TAKE YOU TO YOUR CONCLUSION ON THOSE ISSUES? >>BILL CARLSON: SOMEBODY ELSE COULD PROBABLY SAY THIS MORE ELOQUENTLY. BUT THE PROPERTY IS AT AN URBAN AREA, AREA THAT IS -- MAKES IT URBAN AND HOUSING. AND THAT AREA IS QUICKLY -- IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE SURROUNDING AREA, THAT AREA IS QUICKLY DEVELOPING AS URBAN AREA. URBAN AREAS, PARKING IS HANDLED IN DIFFERENT WAYS. THE SAME THING WITH TRAFFIC. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHERE WAS THE SECOND? MR. VIERA. ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO ADD IN REGARD TO 36th AND OTHER PEOPLE PROBABLY K. EVEN THOUGH IT MIGHT BE SPECIFICALLY DESIGNATED LOCAL, IT GOES UNDER THE INTERSTATE, AND IT HAS A TRAFFIC LIGHT DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, WHATEVER THAT CROSS STREET IS, ADAMO OR 7th OR WHATEVER. ANYWAYS, THAT'S A PRETTY BIG STREET FOR BEING A LOCAL ROAD. NOT TO SAY THAT I'M NECESSARILY GOING TO SUPPORT IT. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND BY MR. VIERA. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? MY ONLY DISCUSSION IS THIS, AND I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THE MOT. POWELL FOR NOT SUPPORTING IT. THE REASON BEING, IF WE COULD MAKE THIS CASE, AS MR. VIERA SAID, IF WE COULD MAKE THIS CASE AND BIND MR. POWELL TO THIS, THEN I WOULD VOTE YES. BUT THAT'S NOT THE WAY LAND USE WORKS. THIS LAND USE RUNS WITH THE LAND FOREVER AND ALWAYS. SO NO MATTER WHAT, AT THIS POINT, IF WE APPROVE IT, IT IS A PRIVATE RECREATIONAL USE, AND THAT HAS A LOT OF RAMIFICATIONS AS RELATED TO PKING AND NOISE AND TRAFFIC AND ET CETERA. BECAUSE OF THAT, I TOTALLY TRUST MR. POWELL TO DO EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID. IF HE'S SUCCESSFUL, I KNOW HE WILL. BUT THAT'S NOT -- APPROVAL OF THIS IS NOT ABOUT MR. POWELL. IT'S ABOUT THE LAND, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND EVERYTHING ELSE. BASED UPON THE FACTS, I CAN'T SUPPORT IT. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. MIRANDA, FIRST. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I NEVER HAD A PERSONAL ADMIRATION FOR SOMEBODY. I HEARDFR. POWELL, BUT I NEVER HAD A BUSINESS TO DO A HAND SHAKE THAT I CAN RECALL. HE SEEMS TO BE A VERY CORDIAL INDIVIDUAL. AN INDIVIDUAL THAT WHAT HE SAYS HE DOES. BUT HERE AGAIN, IT'S NOT ABOUT HIM. IT'S ABOUT A BUILDING THAT WAS BOUGHT ON A 5,000-SQUARE-FOOT NOT OF LAND THAT SO FORTH, WHY, I DON'T KNOW, HAS TEN DESIGNATED PARKING SPACES. EVERYTHING THAT IS COMING TO MAKE THIS THING GO IS BECAUSE I HAVE A LEASE SOMEBODY OR SOMEWHERE SOMEBODYHIS AND THE REVEREND RICHARDSON AND I HAVE THE PEOPLE ON, I THINK IT'S ON BROADWAY OR WHATEVER, THE PEOPLE WHO SELL ROOFING MATERIAL AND ANOTHER ONE CLOSE BY. WHAT HAPPENS IF ONE OF THOSE -- JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS GOES OUT THE DOOR? WHAT HAPPENS THEN? IT'S NOT BECAUSE HE WANTS TO DO IT. WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO TOLD THEY'LL DO IT FOR HIM BACKS OUT OR SELLS THE PROPERTY? WHAT IS HE GOING TO DO THEN? HE'S IN THE SAME POSITION WE'RE ON. BASED ON THAT FAILURE TO DEMONSTRATE THE APPLICATION, THAT'S WHERE I'M AT WITH YOU, SIR, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. VIERA, I THINK YOU'VE GOT THE LAST WORD. >>LUIS VIERA: VERY BRIEFLY. FOR EVERYBODY VOTING TODAY AND FOR THE PUBLIC WATCHING, THERE ARE SOME VOTES THAT ARE BLACK OR WHITE AND EITHER RIGHT OR WRONG AND THEN SOME VOTES THAT ARE GRAY. I THINK THIS IS A REALLY GRAY VOTE. EITHER WAY, YOU'RE GOING TO GO UP AGAINST A PRINCIPLE THAT ALL OF US WANT TO SUPPORT. I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. THANK YOU. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM MR. CARLSON TO REVERSE THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S DECISION. WE HAVE A SECOND FROM MR. VRA. LL CALL VOTE, PLEASE. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO. >> GUDES? MOTION CARRIED WITH CITRO, MANISCALCO MIRANDA DINGFELDER VOTING NO AND GUDES BEING ABSENT AT VOTE -- THE MOTION FAILED, I'M SORRY. MOTION FAILED. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I BELIEVE, MR. SHELBY, DO WE NEED AN AFFIRMATIVE MOTION? >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU NEED TO TAKE OFFICIAL ACTION. YOU NEED TO VOTE FOR ON SOMETHING. THERE WOULD BE ANOTHER MOTION IN ORDER. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AT THIS TIME, EVEN THOUGH IT'S RATHER UNUSUAL, COULD A COUNCIL MEMBER ASK TO CONTINUE THE CASE? >>MARTIN SHELBY: AT THIS POINT IN TIME THERE'S REALLY NO BASIS FOR IT. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY. I'M GOOD WITH THAT. IS THERE ANOTHER MOTION FROM ANY OF THE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR FOLKS VOTING AGAINST MR. CARLSON. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'LL MAKE A MOTION BECAU I D'T WT THIS THING TO BE A DANGLING PARTICIPLE AND NEVER BE ADDRESSED. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE TO UPHOLD THE ZONING ADMINISTRATION DENIAL OF THE SPECIAL USE 1 APPLICATION SU-1-21-0000035 BECAUSE THE PETITIONER HAS FAILED TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THE APPLICATION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE APPLICABLE STANDARDS SET FORTH IN SECTION 27-132 AND 27-129. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. MR. MIRANDA, IS IT SAFE TO ASSUME THAT ON THE NEXT PAGE ON 27-129 YOU'RE REFERRING TO SOME OF THE ISSUES SUCH AS THE PARKING, NOISE -- >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES, SIR. YES SIR. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND INGRESS AND EGRESS REFERRED TO OTHERWISE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES, SIR. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FROM MR. MANISCALCO. ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE. >>LUIS VIERA: NO. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: NO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >> GUDES? MOTION CARRIED WITH VIERA AND CARLSON VOTING NO AND GUDES BEING ABSENT AT VOTE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: LET ME JUST ANNOUNCE, FOR ANYBODY WHO IS WATCHING AND PERHAPS CONFUSED, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR REJECTED THIS PETITION AND COUNCIL UPHELD THE REJECTION. SO, THEREFORE EFFECTIVELY MR. POWELL'S PETITION, ORIGINAL REQUEST IS DENIED. GO AHEAD. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU. JUST A REMINDER, COUNCIL, THAT THERE IS A REVIEW PERIOD OR AN APPEAL PERIOD THAT FOLLOWS QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARINGS. I JUST ASK YOU TO BE MINDFUL OF COMMENTS RELATIVE TO THIS CASE, 30 DAYS. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE ON NUMBER 95? IF NOT, WE WILL MOVE FORWARD. COUNCIL, I APOLOGIZE IN REGARD TO WHAT OTHER ITEMS WE CAN WRAP UP. 98, DID ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS ON 98 FOR SIX AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS FROM HOMELAND SECURITY? >> NO, SIR. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DO WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT? >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M NOT SURE -- PROBABLY DOWN STAIRS ON THE SECOND FLOOR DURING THE APPROVL OF THE AGENDA, BUT NO STAFF HAS BEEN REQUESTED FOR 98 OR 99, WHICH ARE TWO RESOLUTIONS THAT ARE RELATED TO THE SAME ITEM. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: FAIR ENOUGH. ANYBODY QUESTIONS ON 98 -- >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE 98. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND 99. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE 98 AND 99. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MOTION AND SECOND FROM MR. CITRO, 98 AND 99 FOR RESOLUTIONS. ROLL CALL VOTE. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >> GUDES? MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH GUDES BEING ABSENT AT VOTE. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE THANK THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR $6.5 MILLION TO HELP US HAVE 30 MORE FIRE MEN AND WOMEN. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HOPE THEY DON'T GO BROKE BY FRIDAY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, NUMBER 100 HAS BEEN HELD FOR A STAFF REPORT. THE STAFF IS AWARE OF THAT. NUMBER 101 HAS BEEN CONTINUED TO OCTOBER 21st, BUT I'M GOING TO ASK THAT COUNCIL THINK ABOUT THAT AND RECONSIDER THAT UNDER NEW BUSINESS. BUT AS OF NOW. 102 -- >>JOHN DINGFELDER: 101 CAN WE GO AHEAD -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT WAS CONTINUED ALREADY. 102 NOW DOES NOT REQUIRE STAFF TO BE PRESENT. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT IS TO RECEIVE AND FILE ON THE MEMORANDUM. WE'LL DO THAT LATER. >>MARTIN SHELBY: NUMBER 103, THERE IS A REPORT THAT HAS BEEN REQUESTED. STAFF WILL BE APPEARING AS WELL AS ON NUMBER 4. FINALLY ON NUMBER 105 IS ANOTHER REPORT, AND THERE IS NO QUESTION ON THAT, AND THAT COULD ALSO BE RECEIVED AND FILED. A QUESTION OF THE CLERK. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN HAD ASKED US TO HOLD OFF, IF POSSIBLE, ON 100 AND 103. >>THE CLERK: [INAUDIBLE] >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ITEM 30, WHICH ACTUALLY I REQUESTED TO CARRY OVER TO STAFF REPORTS. DO WE HAVE ANY STAFF ON THE LINE? IT LOOKS LIKE HR. KELLY. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER. KELLY AUSTIN HUMAN RESOURCES, ACCOMPANIED BY TRAINING MANAGER MS. KAY HUNTER. WE ARE HAPPY AND EXCITED TO BE HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT THE PLICIT BIAS TRAINING. WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR HELP WITH ANY DISCUSSION THAT YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE TODAY, SIR. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE REASON I PULLED THIS ITEM, ITEM 30, IMPLICIT BIAS AWARENESS TRAINING IS NOT BECAUSE I DON'T SUPPORT IT. I TOTALLY SUPPORT IT AND LOOK FORWARD TO VOTING FOR IT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY IS AWARE, I THINK THIS STARTED WITH THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, MR. CARLSON, MR. CITRO AND CHAIRMAN GUDES AND OTHERS, SAID IT WAS IMPORTANT. I THINK THEY PUT IT IN THE CHARTER. ITEM.T'S IN FRONT OF US AS AN IF YOU COULD JUST EXPLAIN, KELLY, WHAT THE PROGRAM IS, HOW THAT CONSULTANT IS GOING TO BE HELPING US AND WHY IT'S GOOD FOR THE CITY AND THE COMMUNITY. >>KELLY AUSTIN: ABSOLUTELY, I'LL GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW AND ALLOW KAY HUNTER TO ALSO ELABORATE. AS YOU SPOKE TO, THIS IS THE PRODUCT OF THE CHARTER CHANGES, AND THE CITY WENT OUT AND SOUGHT THROUGH AN RFP. SO WE'RE VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THE HELP THAT PURCHASING PROVIDED US IN MAKING A VERY SUCCESSFUL AND MEANINGFUL RFP. WENT OUT AND LOOKED FOR THE BEST QUALIFIED BIDDERS FOR THIS TRAINING THAT WE WILL BE PROVIDING TO ALL CITY EMPLOYEES TO INCLUDE ELECTED OFFICIALS, EXCLUDING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AS THEY WILL HAVE THEIR OWN TRAINING PROGRAM. BUT EVERYONE ELSE WILL BE TRAINED THROUGH THIS PROGRAM. THROUGH THE RFP PROCESS COMMITTEE APPROVED A COMPANY CALLED ALL THINGS DIVERSE THAT IS LED BY A DR. TAMMY HODO. I'LL LET KAY TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT DR. HODO. THE COMMITTEE WASERY EXCITED TO BE WORKING WITH DR. HODO. WE LOOK FORWARD TO THIS GETTING PASSED TODAY SO WE CAN GET DOWN TO THE CURRICULUM DEVELOPMENT. WE EXPECT TO BEGIN PILOT TRAINING ON THE DISEASE TIME FRAME AND THEN ROLLING OUT OUR TRAINING CURRICULUM IN THE NEW YEAR. DUE TO COVID, WE ARE GOING TO START OFF WITH VIRTUAL TRAINING OF 25 PARTICIPANTS LED BY DR. HODO AND HER TRAINERS. THEN WHEN IT'S SAFE, WE'LL GO TO IN CLASSROOM TRAINING. I WILLET KAY HUNTER TAKE IT AWAY FROM HERE BECAUSE KAY WAS AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE RFP PROCESS AND CAN BETTER EXPLAIN HOW WE FEEL THIS TRAINING IS GOING TO FURTHER HELP US IMPROVE OUR UNDERSTANDING AND AWARENESS OF DIVERSITY, EQUITY, INCLUSION, IMPLICIT BIAS, CONSCIOUS AND UNCONSCIOUS BIASES, AND REMIND US ALL WHEN WE INTERACT WITH CITIZENS, WHEN WE INTERACT WITH EACH OTHER, THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING THAT AWARENESS AND UNDERSTANDING THAT OTHER PEOPLE'S JOURNEYS ARE NOT EXACTLY LIKE OURS. SO I'D LIK TO GIVE KAY A FEW MINUTES TO SHARE WITH YOU SOME INFORMATION ABOUT DR. HODO AND THE CURRICULUM. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: FANTASTIC. I JUST WANT TO THROW IN THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR PLANS ARE FOR COUNCIL. I KNOW THAT ALL OF US, NO MATTER WHO WE ARE OR WHAT WE ARE, HAVE IMPLICIT BIAS BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S JUST PART OF HUMAN NATURE, AND WE NEED TO GET OVER IT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE PLANNING ON INCLUDING COUNCIL. I KNOW THIS COUNCILMAN WOULD LOVE TO PARTICIPATE, AND I IMAGINE ALL SEVEN OF US I COULD OBAB SPE FOR, PERHAPS. ANYWAY, REACH OUT TO US INDIVIDUALLY. PROBABLY BETTER IF YOU SCHEDULED US FOR SEPARATE GROUPS SO WE DON'T HAVE SUNSHINE ISSUES. BUT JUST THINK ABOUT INCLUDING US AS WELL. MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAND OVER THE GAVEL TO YOU. >>KELLY AUSTIN: YOU ARE AND WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING SIR. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, MA'AM. >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT SUBSEQUENT TO THE CHARTER CHANGE, YOU ALL ADOPTED AN ORDINANCE REQUIRING THIS IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING AND DOES APPLY TO ALL OF THE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL AS WELL AS THE CITY EMPLOYEES. SO YOU ARE, IN FACT, REQUIRED TO HAVE THE TRAINING. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: GREAT. THANK YOU. SORRY JOE. >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, I JUST WANTED TO STATE THAT I WENT TO THE IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING THAT WAS HELD A YEAR AND A HALF AGO. AND IT IS VERY, VERY ENLIGHTENING. I LOOK FORWARD TO THE NEXT ONE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYBODY ELSE FOR ITEM NUMBER 30? ANYONE ELSE? RESOLUTION.IRANDA: MOVE THE- >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR. JUST VERY, VERY BRIEFLY, THANK EVERYBODY FOR THIS. IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE THIS WAS BROUGHT UP BEFORE COUNCIL IN '18, AND THEN THIS WAS DEALT WITH IN THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION. I ALWAYS GIVE -- I ALWAYS LIKE TO PUBLICLY NOTE A GUY THAT A LOT OFSRE GOOD FRIENDS WITH, MICHAEL STEPHENS WHO ALSO DID A LOT ON THIS. MICHAEL IS AN ATTORNEY. WORKS FOR TAMPA INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT AND IS JUST A GREAT GUY. THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE'VE GOT TO BE DOING AS A CITY TO BE PROACTIVE AND NOT REACTIVE IN THE SENSE THAT WE'VE GOT TO UNILATERALLY CONTINUE TO DO THINGS LIKE THIS SO THAT WE CAN PROMOTE TOLERANCE AND DO IT IN A PROACTIVE WAY AND NOT REACTIVE SO WHEN THERE'S A CRISIS, WE GO, SWEET LORD, LET'S GO DO THIS STUFF. I'M SO GLAD THIS WAS DONE IN A WAY THAT WAS DONE IN THE CHARTER WITH A LOT OF LDERSHIP, INCLUDING FROM ONE, TWO, THREE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE NOW HERE ON TAMPA CITY COUNCIL. AND MS. ZELMAN AND MANY, MANY OTHERS. BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE ELSE? MR. MIRANDA HAS MOVED THE RESOLUTION. SECONDED BY MANISCALCO. ROLL CALL VOTE. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHILE I HAVE MS. AUSTIN HERE, I'LL JUMP TO ITEM NUMBER 103 WHILE I HAVE HER SO I CAN RELEASE HER. IF YOU CAN GIVE US A BRIEF DETAIL OF ITEM NUMBER 3 AND I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH A COMMENTARY AND CONVERSATION I HAD WITH THE MAYOR LAST EVENING. >>KELLY AUSTIN: YES, SIR. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN GUDES. SO THE MEMO THAT I SENT OVER BASICALLY WAS JUST TO KIND OF GIVE A BASELINE OF WHERE WE ARE AS IT RELATES TO THE HOLIDAYS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR OUR EMPLOYEES OUR BARGAIN AND NON-BARGAINED EMPLOYEES. WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE FEDERAL, STATE AND SOME SURROUNDING RISDTIONTO SEE IF WE KIND OF FELL IN LINE, AND WE DO. HOWEVER, THERE IS -- I BELIEVE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IS LOOKING TO ADOPT ADDITIONAL HOLIDAY, JUNETEENTH. OF COURSE, OBVIOUSLY, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DURING OUR FISCAL YEAR DECLARED JUNETEENTH A HOLIDAY. THOSE WERE THE ONLY TWO I COULD FIND CURRENTLY. CLEARWATER IS PRESENTLY NEGOTIATING THAT WITH THEIR FIRE UNION. HOWEVER, NUMBER-WISE AND SCOPE AND THE TYPES OF HOLIDAYS WE ALL PRETTY MUCH FALL IN LINE. THE CITY OF TAMPA OFFERING 11 PAID HOLIDAYS ANNUALLY AND ONE FLOATING HOLIDAY, AND THOSE ARE NEGOTIATED WITH OUR THREE UNION REPRESENTED LEADERS. I WANTED TO JUST GIVE YOU THE BASELINE BECAUSE I KNOW -- WHERE WE WERE AT SO WE COULD TALK ABOUT THAT TODAY, IF YOU'D LIKE, SIR. >>ORLANDO GUDES: WELL, THE MEMO -- THE MOTION WAS INSTITUTE AND ALSO LOOKING AT THE CITY CALENDAR WITH THE FEDERAL CALENDAR AND THE OTHER SURROUNDING AREAS. NEVERTHELESS I DID TALK TO THE MAYOR LAST NIGHT, GENTLEMEN AND SHE ASSURED ME THIS WILL BE A DISCUSSION WITH HER STAFF UPON HER RETURN BACK AND WE'LL MEET AGAIN TO DISCUSS HOW WE LOOK TO IMPLEMENT JUNETEENTH OR WHATEVER IDEAS THEY MAY HAVE. IT IS FORTHCOMING AND SHE GUARANTEED ME LAST NIGHT THAT WE WOULD GET THIS RESOLVED. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MAYBE, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF IT'S NOT A MATTER OF ADDING AN ADDITIONAL HOLIDAY BUT MAYBE SWAPPING ONE OUT, PERHAPS HAS LESS SIGNIFICANCE. I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT WHAT THE 11 ARE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: DON'T KNOW. I'M GOING TO WAIT -- I WON'T MAKE A MOTION TODAY, BUT I'LL GIVE THE MAYOR THAT LATITUDE TO GIVE HER ABOUT 30 DAYS AND SEE WHERE HER AND HR AND I THINK SOME OTHER FOLKS HAVE TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT AS WELL, THOSE CONVERSATIONS. AND THEN WE'LL CIRCLE BACK AT THAT TIME. OKAY WITH YOU, MS. AUSTIN? >>KELLY AUSTIN: YES, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU SO MUCH. GENTLEMEN YES SIR. WE'LL GET TO 53. I'LL ASK FOR A POINT O PRIVEGE. I'VE GOT A BUNCH OF FOLKS THAT ARE IN TOWN MEETING ABOUT A BIG ISSUE THAT MAY BE COMING TO THE CITY AND A LOT OF ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE DOWN STAIRS. MR. DINGFELDER, IF YOU COULD TAKE OVER, IF I COULD GET TO ITEM 100 SO I CAN GET BACK TO THOSE GUESTS AND MR. DINGFELDER TAKE OVER THE REST OF THE DAY. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JUST ABOUT THE END OF IT. IN REGARD TO 53 AND WE CAN KILL IT REAL FAST, I SAW THAT THE CHURCH WANTS TO BUILD A COMMUNITY GARDEN. SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A SHOUT-OUT. I THINK IT'S A WONDERFUL THING. I ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY TO DO COMMUNITY GARDENS. COUNCILWOMAN MARY MULHERN WAS HUGE ON COMMUNITY GARDENS AND DID A GOOD JOB WITH THAT. WITH THAT I MOVE RESOLUTION 53. >>ORLANDO GUDES: LET ME GIVE A SHOUT-OUT TO STAFF. THERE WAS A LITTLE COMPLICATION AT FIRST. WE HAD TO MAKE SOME PHONE CALLS AND THE CHURCH WAS ABLE TO GET WITH MR. MORRIS MASSEY AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT TO WORK OUT THE DETAILS ON THAT. I'M HAPPY THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO DO THAT. THE RESOLUTION HAS BEEN MOVED BY MR. MIRANDA. SECONDED BY MR. MANISCALCO. ALL IN FAVOR? ROLL CALL VOTE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. I SEE MS. FEELEY. DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING IN REFERENCE TO THIS? YOU'RE GOOD. >> THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: NUMBER 100. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIRMAN GUDES, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, BRIAN MORRON, SISTT CITY ATTORNEY. I BELIEVE YOU HAVE MY MEMO REGARDING THE COUNTY'S ORDINANCE FOR THE TENANTS BILL OF RIGHTS. I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DO HAVE IT. I'VE READ IT. WE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH OTHER STAFF YESTERDAY IN REFERENCE TO IT. I AM GOING TO MAKE A MOTION IN REFERENCE TO THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT PREPARING AN ORDINANCE ON THIS MATTER AND BRINGING THAT BACK WITH RECOMMENDATIONS. I NEED TO PASS THE GAVEL TO MR. DINGFELDER TO DO THAT SO I CAN GET BACK DOWNSTAIRS. THE GIST OF THE ORDINANCE IS HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY HAS ADOPTED AN ORDINANCE, AS YOU KNOW. THERE ARE A FEW KINKS MY UNDERSTANDING AND OUR DEPARTMENT, OUR LEGAL PEOPLE THOUGHT THEY NEEDED TO MEET WITH SOME OTHER FOLKS, AND I THINK NOW WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT, BEFITTING NOW TO BRING BACK THAT ORDINANCE IN REFERENCE TO THIS RENTERS' BILL OF RIGHTS. I ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS IF ANYONE HAS QUESTIONS FOR MR. MORRISON AT THIS TIME. NO QUESTIONS, I'LL PASS THE GAVEL AND GET THIS MOTION. >>BRIAN MORRISON: MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, JUST VERY BRIEFLY, IN COORDINATION WITH THE ADMINISTRATION, ONE THING THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED IS WITH THE GOALS OF THE COUNTY ORDINANCE PERHAPS REMAINING THE SAME, TAMPA, OF COURSE, BEING UNIQUE, IT MAY BE THAT OUR IMPLEMENTATION COULD LOOK A LITTLE DIFFERENT. FOR INSTANCE, THE ANTIDISCRIMINATION PIECE MAY FALL MORE PROPERLY UNDER HUMAN RIGHTS WITH REGARD TO OUR CODE. SO I'VE BEEN ASKED, AS YOU ME YOUR MOTION, IF YOU COULD ALLOW THE ADMINISTRATION LEEWAY TO STRUCTURE IT IN A WAY THAT MOST MAKES SENSE FOR TAMPA WHILE THE SUBSTANCE, OF COURSE, WOULD REMAIN -- >>ORLANDO GUDES: IT'S IN THE MOTION WITH THE RECOMMENDATION. TO HAVE THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT PREPARE AN ORDINANCE ON THE NOTICE OF RENTAL HOUSING RIGHTS AND RESOURCES PERTAINING TO A RENTER'S BILL OF RIGHTS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT TO BE PRESENTED BACK NOVEMBER 18, 2021. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION. >>BRIAN MORRISON: MR. CHAIR, I WOULD ASK ONLY THAT WE LEAVE OPEN THE POSSIBILITY THAT IT COULD SPREAD OUT OVER MORE THAN ONE ORDINANCE. IN CASE WE HAVE TO EDIT DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE CODE. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE MOTION WOULD BE MODIFIED SLIGHTLY TO SAY PREPARE ONE OR MORE ORDINANCES -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: A DRAFT ORDINANCE FOR DISCUSSION. >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK A DRAFT ORDINANCE FOR DISCUSSION. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MS. ZELMAN. WAS THERE A SECOND ON THE MOTION? MR. VIERA SECONDED. MS. ZELMAN. MS. ZELMAN, DID YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP? >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I DID. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? >> YES. >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I WOULD ASK FOR A LITTLE MORE TIME. IT'S OCTOBER TOMORROW, AND NOVEMBER WILL BE UPON US MORE QUICKLY THAN IT WOULD SEEM. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK WE HAVE A MEETING DECEMBER 4th. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MORRISON, WHAT'S GOOD FOR YOU, SIR? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DECEMBER 2nd, WE HAVE A MEETING. >>BRIAN MORRISON: EARLY DECEMBER WOULD BE ALL RIGHT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: DECEMBER 2nd. ALL RIGHT. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MOTION MODIFIED TO READ DECEMBER 2nd IN DEFERENCE TO MS. ZELMAN'S REQUEST. SECONDED BY MR. VIERA. ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON THE MOTION? I HAVE ONE. I'M GLAD WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A DRAFT MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN, BECAUSE THE CONCERN I HAVE IS THE SECOND PROVISION OF THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY ORDINANCE SAYS THAT A LANDLORD, ANY LANDLORD FROM ONE SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE ALL THE WAY UP TO A 200 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX OR WHAT HAVE YOU, ANY SIZE OF A LANDLORD BASICALLY IS NOT ALLOWED TO DISCRIMINATE ANYBODY ON THE BASIS OF WHERE THE MONEY IS COMING FROM, WHICH BASICALLY IS SECTION 8. I WAS APPROACHED BY SOME LANDLORDS, SPECIFICALLY THE APARTMENT FOLKS, THEY DIDN'T HAVE A HUGE ISSUE WITH THAT. I GUESS THEY ARE MORE ACCUSTOMED TO TAKING SECTION 8. BUT WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS SOMEBODY WHO OWNS A SINGLE LITTLE HOUSE AND IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T LIKE SECTION 8 MONEY. IT'S JUST THAT THERE'S A LOT OF RULES AND REGULATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH BEING A SECTION 8 LANDLORD, OVER AND ABOVE STATE LAW ON HEALTH CODES AND EVERYTHING ELSE, THE HUD HAS A LOT OF RULES. IS ANYBODY FAMILIAR WITH THAT? MR. MORRISON, YOUR HAND IS UP. GO AHEAD. >>BRIAN MORRISON: YES, SIR, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER. THERE ARE SOME OTHER PROVISIONS IN THE FAIR HOUSING ACT REGULATIONS PROMULGATED BY THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS IN OUR STATE STATUTES FOR OTHER KINDS OF DISCRIMINATION SECTIONS THAT DO PROVIDE CERTAIN CARVE-OUTS FOR SMALLER RENTERS. I BELIEVE OWNING THREE OR FEWER PROPERTIES OR A MULTIFAMILY UNIT OF FOUR OR MORE -- OR FOUR OR LESS WHERE THE OWNER OCCUPIES ONE OF THE UNITS. AND CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, I COULD PROVIDE COUNCIL WHEN I COME BACK WITH THIS WITH OPTIONS TO CONSIDER ALONG THOSE LINES, IF YOU'D LIKE. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YEAH. THE MAKER OF THE MOTION HAD TO ASART OF HIS MOTION.T INCLUDE IT BUT I HOPE YOU CAN BRING THAT DISCUSSION WITH YOU WHEN YOU COME WITH THE DRAFT. THAT'S MY INFORMAL REQUEST. I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE FLESH THOSE ISSUES OUT BECAUSE OTHERWISE I'M JUST AFRAID WE COULD OPEN PANDORA'S BOX, ESPECIALLY AS RELATED TO WHAT I SAID. A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST OWN ONE RENTAL HOUSE BECAUSE THEY OWN THIR PARENTS' HOUSE AND THEY RENT IT OUT. THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN ARE THEY THROWN INTO THIS TYPE OF REGULATORY SCHEME? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS THE I N'TNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN ST. PETE -- NO, IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY ON THAT ISSUE. ST. PETE EXCLUDED THE SECTION 8 PROVISION, AS YOU NOTED IN YOUR MEMO. ANYWAY, A LOT OUT OF MY MOUTH. I APOLOGIZE. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FROM CHAIRMAN GUDES. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I GUESS WE'LL TAKE A ROLL CALL VOTE. DON'T HAVE TO. ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. WE'LL SEE THAT ISSUE COME BACK ON DECEMBER 2nd FOR ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION IN A DRAFT ORDINANCE. WE'RE GOING TO BOUNCE BACK, I THINK TO 97 UNDER ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATES. MR. BENNETT, YOU OR YOUR TEAM HAVE ANYTHING TO TALK TO US. I UNDERSTAND CHIEF TRIPP IS ON THE LINE IN REGARD TO COVID UPDATES, AND WE APPRECIATE THAT GREATLY. MAYBE. >>CHIEF TRIPP: I'M HERE. GOOD AFTERNOON >>JOHN DINGFELDER: GOOD AFTERNOON. WE GOTCHA. >>CHIEF TRIPP: GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL. CHIEF BARBARA TRIPP, TAMPA FIRE RESCUE. JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A COVID UPDATE. OF COURSE, WE HAVE GOOD NEWS. NUMBERS HAVE DECREASED. CURRENTLY, THE STATE NEW POSITIVITY RATE IS 8.6, WHICH HAS BEEN DOWN FROM LAST WEEK OF 2.6. HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IS 9.7, WHICH IS DOWN FROM 2.8. AND WE STILL HAVE THE SITES THROUGHOUT THE CITY, AL LOPEZ TESTING SITE. TODAY THEY HAVE GIVEN OVER 46,000 TESTS AS OF TODAY, WHICH THEY STARTED BACK IN AUST. AL BARNES OVER 7,000 TESTS. LEE DAVIS CLINIC HAS GIVEN OVER 300 VACCINES SINCE THEY STARTED. LEE DAVIS IS THE AREA THAT IS CURRENTLY ASSISTING THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS WITH THE TESTING. JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE BOOSTER SHOTS ARE AVAILABLE FOR THE PFIZER ONLY. AND THE BOOSTER SHOTS ARE AVAILABLE AT LEE DAVIS. BASICALLY, IT SHOULD BE SIX MONTHS AFTER THE SECOND DOSE THEY RECEIVED THE PFIZER VACCINE WHO SHOULD GET THE BOOSTER VACCINE. INDIVIDUALS AGE 65 OR OLDER, INDIVIDUALS 50 TO 64 WITH UNDERLYING MEDICAL CONDITIONS, RESIDENTS IN LONG-TERM CARE FACILITIES. WHO MAY GET THE BOOSTER SHOTS ARE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE 18 TO 49 WITH UNDERLYING MEDICAL CONDITIONS, INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE 18 TO 64 AT INCREASED RISK BECAUSE OF OCCUPATIONAL OR INSTITUTIONAL SETTINGS. PRETTY MUCH IN MID SEPTEMBER, WE GAN TO RUN SOME DATA BASED ON THE ZIP CODES IN THE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS TO DETERMINE OUR VACCINE RATE. AND BASICALLY I AM PROUD TO SAY WITH THE MAYOR'S LEADERSHIP AND THE COUNCIL SUPPORT AND, OF COURSE, WITH THE COMMUNITY AND ESPECIALLY THE LOCAL CHURCHES AND PARKS AND REC THAT WE HAVE VACCINATED MORE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS, PRETTY MUCH, 600,000. OVER 584,000. SOME ADDITIONAL GOOD NEWS IS THAT BASICALLY OVER HALF, 57% WAS IN PREDOMINANTLY BLACK AND BROWN NEIGHBORHOODS WHICH IS LOCATED IN EAST TAMPA, WHICH IS DISTRICT 5 AND WEST TAMPA WHICH IS DISTRICT 6. THAT IS THE END OF MY COVID REPORT. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: COUNCIL ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I APPRECIATE IT, SIR. I WANTED TO SAY, CHIEF TRIPP, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE ADMINISTRATION'S HARD WORK ON THIS. I WANTED TO SALUTE THAT. I THINK IT'S SO IMPORTANT. WAS IT LAST WEEK, I GUESS IT WAS LAST THURSDAY WHERE WE HAD A VERY -- I DON'T WANT TO USE -- THE WORD IS NOT CONTENTIOUS. WE HAD A PASSIONATE DEBATE ABOUT A POLICY TAKEN THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH HOUSING, EVICTIONS, ET CETERA. AND THERE WAS SOME RESPECTFUL DISAGREEMENTS WITH SOME OF US WITH THE ADMINISTRATION ON THAT ISSUE. AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE WHEN THERE ARE TOUGH POLITICAL DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE THAT THE RIGHT THINGS TO DO, AND YOU SHOULD ALWAYS BE SALUTED FOR THAT. I KNOW THE MAYOR ON THE COVID ISSUE HAS JUST BEEN VERY, VERY STRONG THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE TIME, AND SHE TAKES A LOT OF POLITICAL HEAT FOR THAT. I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US, WE AGREE WITH THE ADMINISTRATION'S STANCE ON COVID ON SOME OF THE STEPS TAKEN TO SAY THAT. BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. WE'VE HAD A TREMENDOUS NUMBER OF AMERICANS, I BELIEVE IT IS, OVER 700,000, DIE FROM THIS TERRIBLE DISEASE OR THIS TERRIBLE CONDITION. AND I THINK THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS DONE A GOOD JOB IN TERMS OF JUST BEING STRONG, NOT TRYING TO DODGE BULLETS ON THIS ISSUE POLITICALLY, SO TO SPEAK, AND MAKING A LOT OF TOUGH DECISIONS THAT ARE GOING TO G PEOE, SOME PEOPLE, TICKED OFF AT YOU, AND WHATNOT. YOU KNOW WHAT, WHEN THEY ARE RIGHT ON THIS ISSUE, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO SAY SO AND GIVE POLITICAL KUDOS. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT. THANK YOU, MA'AM. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. VIERA. ANYBODY ELSE ON THIS ISSUE? CHIEF TRIPP, THANK YOU FOR THAT REPORT. I THINK COME BACK TO US EVERY TWO WEEKS WITH UPDATES AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL KEEP THIS TREND GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. WE THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK IN ALL OF YOUR AREAS. MR. VIERA, YOU GAVE ME A GOOD IDEA. BEFORE YOU LEAVE, CHIEF TRIPP, MR. SHELBY, WITHOUT HAVING TO DO A WRITTEN RESOLUTION, WHAT CAN THIS BODY DO SHORT OF A WRITTEN RESOLUTION TO SAY WE SUPPORT XY AND Z? >>MARTIN SHELBY: A MOTION. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JUST A VERBAL MOTION. WITHOUT BEING ON THE AGENDA OR ANYTHING ELSE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: A MOTION AND A SECOND IS ALWAYS IN ORDER. DEPENDS ON WHAT -- A RESOLUTION IS A FORMAL DOCUMENT. IF YOU WANT TO COMMUNICATE WHAT'S BEEN DONE IN THE PAST IS IF YOU WANT TO COMMUNICATE AS A COUNCIL, SHORT OF A RESOLUTION, THEN WHAT HAPPENS, DEPENDING TO WHOM THE SENDER IS, YOU ASK THE CHAIR ON BEHALF OF COUNCIL TO SEND A LETTER TO AND FILL IN THE BLANK. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WAS HOPING TO BE SHORT OF THAT, TOO. IN LIGHT OF MR. VIERA'S COMMENTS, WHAT I'M THINKING IS, IF THERE'S A MOTION OUT THERE TO SAY THIS COUNCIL SUPPORTS THE MAYOR WHOLEHEARTEDLY IN HER EFFORTS TO COMBAT COVID. AND WITHOUT I WRING OR ANYTHING ELSE, IF WE WANT TO TAKE A VOTE ON THAT CAN WE DO THAT AS A MOTION AND JUST PUT IT ON THE RECORD FOR ANYBODY WHO HAPPENS TO BE WATCHING? FROM WHAT WE SAW AT LUNCHTIME WITH A REPORTER OUT IN THE LOBBY, THIS SEEMS TO BE A HOT-BUTTON ISSUE RIGHT NOW, ESPECIALLY AS RELATED TO SOME OF OUR EMPLOYEES WHO ARE RESISTANT ON THIS. I THINK A MOTION FROM THE COUNCIL TO SAY, WE SUPPORT THE MAYOR I THINK IS A REALLY IMPORTANT THING. >>LUIS VIERA: ARE YOU LOOKING TO MAKE THE MOTION? OKAY. THEN. PURSUANT TO THE WISE SUGGESTION OF OUR CHAIRMAN, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION, WHICH IS JUST A MOTION IN SUPPORT OF THE ADMINISTRATION'S STEPS THAT THEY HAVE TAKEN IN ORDER TO MITIGATE THE EFFECTS OF COVID ON THE CITY OF TAMPA TO PROMOTE PUBLIC SAFETY WHEN IT COMES TO THE ISSUE OF COVID AND TO PROMOTE THE HEALTH, WELFARE, AND WELL-BEING OF OUR CITY OF TAMPA EMPLOYEES, AND SOMETHING THAT ALSO WANT TO NOTE WHICH IS A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA, YOU SEE IT IN SOME NEWS VAINATN MANDATE.COVID THAT, IN MY OPINION, IS NOT CORRECT. YOU CAN GET TESTED IN ORDER TO ESCAPE THAT. YOU CAN ALSO WEAR A MASK IN ORDER TO ESCAPE THAT. THAT IS NOT A MANDATE. SO WE ARE SUPPORTING. CHAIRMAN DINGFELDER, I THINK IT'S WISE FOR US TO SAY THAT. AGAIN, THESE ARE TOUGH POLITICAL DECISIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE BY THE ADMINISTRATION. AND WE DON'T WANT TO GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT IN COUNCIL THAT WE'RE OVER HERE HIDING FROM THOSE BECAUSE THOSE ARE TOUGH POLITICAL DECISIONS. I'M GLAD TO DO THAT. THANK YOU SIR. >>JOSEPH CITRO: WEARING MY FULLY VAXED PIN, I WILL SECOND THAT. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: FANTASTIC. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: DISCUSSION, MR. CHAIRMAN. LET'S LOOK AT THINGS REALISTICALLY. WHEN YOUR MOTHER, WHEN I WAS A KID, YOU HAD TO HAVE A CERTAIN MONTH OF VACCINES OR THEY% WOULDN'T LET YOU GO INTO THE FIRST GRADE. THAT'S STILL IN EFFECT TODAY. SO THEY DON'T LET YOU INTO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM IF YOU DON'T HAVE A CERTAIN VACCINATION. LET ME PUT IT ANOTHER WAY. I TESTED NEGATIVE THE FIRST TIME THEY TESTED ME IN THE CITY. GUESS WHAT HAPPENED THE SECOND TIME. I TESTED POSITIVE. I WENT, DID WHAT I HAD TO DO, AND IF IT WASN'T FOR THAT ONE, THAT WAS JANUARY THE 11th AND ON JANUARY 28, I CAME DOWN WITH COVID, MYSELF AND CHAIRMAN GUDES, ABOUT THE SAME TIME. WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IF I HAD NOT TAKEN THE FIRST ONE? YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN PALLBEARERS AT MY FUNERAL. WHAT I'M SAYING IS IT'S YOUR LIFE, YOU DO WHAT YOU WANT WITH IT. THINK OF THE PEOPLE, IF YOU HAVEN'T GOT IT, HAVEN'T BEEN THROUGH THE SYSTEM, DIDN'T GET THE TWO SHOTS, HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU CAN ACTUALLY KILL, SAY IT THAT WAY, INTENTIONALLY OR UNINTENTIONALLY. SOONER OR LATER, SOMEBODY IS GOING TO FILE A LAWSUIT AGAINST THE PERSON THEY GOT IT FROM AND ALL HELL WILL BREAK LOOSE IN THIS COUNTRY. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IT FOR YOURSELF, DO IT FOR YOUR WIFE, YOUR KIDS, YOUR FAMILY, WHOEVER, YOUR WORKERS, THE PEOPLE YOU WORK WITH, DON'T TRY TO INFECT SOMEBODY ELSE WHEN YOU CAN GET THE INFECTION YOURSELF. I UNDERSTAND THE RIGHTS OF AMERICA. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT TO ME, IT'S ALMOST REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT. NONPARTISAN OR NOT, MAKES NO DIFFERENCE WHO YOU ARE. TAKE THE SAFE ROUTE. YOU SEE IT ONE WAY AND DRIVE AGAINST IT ON PURPOSE, ABSOLUTELY NOT. OVER -- ABOUT 700,000 PEOPLE HAVE DIED IN THIS COUNTRY. YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS, ALMOST TWICE THE POPULATION OF THE CITY OF TAMPA DISAPPEARED. THEY ARE NO LONGER HERE. THEY COULD HAVE ALL BEEN HERE OR MOST OF THEM IF TAKEN THE SHOT OR THE STS. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. IT'S A NATURAL THING THAT YOU DO IT NOT ONLY FOR YOURSELF, YOU DO IT FOR YOUR SOCIAL WORKER, YOUR FAMILY, YOUR LOVED ONES. JUST THE RIGHT THING TO DO. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. MIRANDA. MR. MANISCALCO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO I HAVE A FAMILY MEMBER THAT HAS POLIO, AND HE GOT IT AS A KID BEFORE THE POLIO VACCINE WAS MADE AVAILABLE OR EXISTED, BUT YOU DON'T HEAR ABOUT POLIO LIKE YOU DID IN THE 1950s AND BEFORE BECAUSE OF THE VACCINE. MY GRAMOTH HAD A LONGTIME FAMILY FRIEND UNTIL BASICALLY, UNTIL THE DAY HE DIED. AGAIN BEFORE POLIO, VACCINES WERE AVAILABLE. HE CONTRACTED POLIO AND JUST LIKE MY COUSIN, THEY HAVE BRACES. THEY STRUGGLE TO WALK AND WHATNOT AND THAT'S WHAT THEY LIVE WITH. THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE VACCINE. WE TAKE FLU SHOTS. WE TAKE OTHER VACCINES, AS COUNCILMAN MIRANDA MENTIONED, TO GO TO SCHOOL, TO WHATEVER IT IS, BUT IT'S THERE TO HELP US. IT'S THERE TO SAVE LIVES. POLIO IS DIFFERENT FROM COVID, BUT I'VE KNOWN THESE PEOPLE THAT SUFFER WITH IT. AGAIN, BEFORE THE VACCINE WAS AVAILABLE. COVID-19 AND THE CORONAVIRUS, I NEVER EXPECTED OR THOUGHT THAT WE WOULD EVER EXPERIENCE ANYTHING LIKE THIS. BUT HERE WE ARE. 700,000 PLUS PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES HAVE DIED. I KNOW PEOPLE PERSONALLY, BECAUSE I WOULD GET ASKED LAST SUMMER, ANTIMASKERS AND ANTI-EVERYTHING, DO YOU KNOW ANYBODY THAT EVEN HAS COVID? I GO, I KNOW TWO PEOPLE WHO DIED. ONE I WASN'T CLOSE WITH. ONE PERSON I DID KNOW. WONDERFUL PERSON. 56 YEARS OLD, DEAD, BEFORE THE VACCINE WAS AVAILABLE. NOW FAST-FORWARD IN 2021, IF SOMEBODY WERE TO ASK ME THE SAME QUESTION, DO YOU KNOW ANYBODY THAT'S HAD COVID? A LOT OF PEOPLE. VACCINATED OR NOT. DO YOU KNOW PEOPLE THAT HAVE DIED? THE LIST KEEPS GROWING AND GROWING. AND IT COULD BE PEOPLE THAT ARE CLOSE TO MY AGE. PEOPLE IN THEIR 70s. I HEAR THE STORIES FROM THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS WHEN THEY SAY THEY WENT INTO THE HOSPITAL. WE NEVER SAW THEM AGAIN UNTIL THE FURNITURE. OR THE LAST TIME WE SPOKE, THEY WERE BEING INTUBATED AND PUT ON A VENTILATOR. THESE FAMILIES. I KNOW PEOPLE NOW THAT HAVE COVID, RECOVERING FROM COVID AND THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN THAT SICK IN THEIR LIFE. NOW I'M SEEING CLOSER IN MY WORLD, PEOPLE THAT ARE AFFECTED BY IT. BUT IF WE'RE EVER GOING TO GET THROUGH THIS, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S A POLITICAL BATTLE, POLITICAL FIGHT. IF YOU GET VACCINATED, IT'S HELPFUL TO SOLVING THE PROBLEM. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO GET VACCINATED, DON'T GET VACCINATED. I VE MY THOUGHTS ON THAT FINE. BUT IT'S TO DO THE RIGHT THING. IF IT'S WEARING A MASK OR WASHING YOUR HANDS OR GETTING THE VACCINE OR NOT GETTING THE VACCINE, JUST BEING CAREFUL, WE'RE DOING IT FOR EACH OTHER. WE ALL SAY WE'RE IN THIS TOGETHER. YES, WE ARE, BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP EACH OTHER SAFE AND HEALTHY. WE DO WHAT WE CAN TO GET PAST THIS. IT SEEMS LIKE THE WORLD STOPPED AROUND MARCH 2020. IT WAS LIKE THE LAST BITS OF NORMALCY THAT WE KNEW BECAUSE WE WOULD HEAR, THIS CORONAVIRUS, NOW THE NUMBERS ARE RISING HERE AFTER MARCH WE SAW THINGS GETTING SHUT DOWN AND CLOSED DOWN. THE WORLD REALLY HASN'T BEEN THE SAME. WE'VE GONE BACK TO SOME TYPE OF NORMALCY, BUT WE'RE STILL A WAYS AWAY TO WHAT LIFE WAS BEFORE MARCH 2020 OR IN 2019. I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO DO THE RIGHT THING. IF THEY DON'T WANT TO, THEN DON'T DO IT. I CAN'T FORCE YOU. KNOW THAT THE MAYOR HAS TRIED SINCE THE BEGINNING AS WE CALL IT FLATTENING THE CURVE AND OTHER PEOPLE AND OTHER POSITIONS OF LEADERSHIP TO GET PAST THIS. TOO MAN PPLE HAVE DIED. COUNCILMAN MIRANDA SAID IT. ALMOST TWICE THE POPULATION OF THE CITY OF TAMPA. IMAGINE, AN EMPTY CITY. EVERYBODY THAT YOU KNOW IN THE CITY GONE, DEAD, DISAPPEARED, AND THAT'S WHAT COVID HAS DONE. I THINK SOMEBODY, I READ SOMEWHERE IT WAS LIKE THE POPULATION OF LOS ANGELES. IMAGINE LOS ANGELES EMPTY. THAT'S HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE DIED. SO WE HAVE TO TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY. I KNOW MANY OF US DO. I KNOW WE ALL DO IN THIS ROOM. I CERTAINLY WOULD SUPPORT WHATEVER THE MOTION IS. THANK YOU. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. MANISCALCO. MR. CHAIRMAN, WE KNOW YOU HAD TO STEP OUTOR IMPORTANT CITY BUSINESS MATTER. WE'RE ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF REPORT, 97. CHIEF TRIPP GAVE US AN EXCELLENT UPDATE. SAID COVID NUMBERS ARE LOOKING BETTER. THE MOTION FROM MR. VIERA ON THE FLOOR, SECONDED BY MR. CITRO IS TO JUST SEND VERBALLY A MESSAGE TO THE MAYOR FROM THIS COUNCIL THAT WE SUPPORT HER WHOLEHEARTEDLY ON HER COVID EFFORTS. INCLUDING THE EMPLOYEE DIRECTIVES. VIERA AND SECONDED BY MR. CITRO. AND WE ARE WRAPPING UP DISCUSSION. >>ORLANDO GUDES: GO AHEAD, MR. VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU. I'M SO GLAD YOU CAME IN THE ROOM SIR. YOU'VE BEEN AFFECTED BY THIS. I WANTED TO SAY THAT. ONE OTHER THING, IT'S FUNNY, WE'RE COMING ON 80 YEARS OF PEARL HARBOR, DECEMBER 7, 2021 WILL BE 80 YEARS. A LOT OF PEOPLE ALWAYS SAY, WE HAD SOMETHING BIG HIT OUR COUNTRY, WOULD WE COME TOGETHER? WELL, THIS IS IT. THIS IS IT. 700,000 AMERICANS' LIVES HAVE BEEN TAK AWA BECAUSE OF THIS. THIS IS SOMETHING FOR ME, WHEN I THINK ABOUT COVID AND THE PRECAUTIONS THAT WE'RE TAKING, I DON'T THINK ABOUT BEING A DEMOCRAT OR A REPUBLICAN. I THINK ABOUT JUST BEING AN AMERICAN AND THAT WE'RE TRYING TO COME TOGETHER, THAT WE'RE ALL IN THIS THING TOGETHER. WE'RE ALL IN THIS THING TOGETHER AS AMERICANS. TO ME, THIS ISN'T LIBERAL OR CONSERVATIVE. IT'S ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY AND HAVING EACH OTHER'S BACKS AS AMERICANS. IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT. THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY MORE DISCUSSION? MOTION MADE BY MR. VIERA. SECONDED BY MR. CITRO. ALL IN FOR? THE MOTION CARRIED. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY MORE ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATES? >>MARTIN SHELBY: NUMBER 104, WAS THAT TAKEN CARE OF. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, CHIEF. >>CHIEF TRIPP: THANK YOU ALL. HAVE A GREAT AFTERNOON. >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE'RE TO 104, MR. SHELBY, YOU SAID? >>MARTIN SHELBY: ASK THE CLERK IF SHE KNOWS OF ANY OTHER ONES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: LAST ONE IS 104. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: 104, I'M COMFORTABLE -- YES, SIR. I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE MEMO PROVIDED. I'M GOING TO WORK WITH NEIGHBORHOOD FOLKS TO GO AHEAD ANDET THAT STARTED AND HAVE AN ANNUAL MARGARET VIZZI NEIGHBORHOOD LEADER AWARD GIVEN OUT TO FOUR LEADERS SPREAD ACROSS THE CITY IN FOUR DIFFERENT DISTRICTS. I'M NOT PICKING THE LEADERS. BUT WE'RE JUST GOING TO START THE PROCESS. >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO ADDITIONAL REPORT. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MS. WYNN, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY OR ARE YOU GOOD? >>OCEA WYNN: NO, SIR. YES, I'M GOOD. I'M HERE AND AVAILABLE IN CASE YOU HAD ANY QUESTIONS PERTAINING TO THE MEMOR AWARD. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE'LL RECEIVE AND FILE WITH EVERYTHING ELSE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: GENTLEMEN, WE'VE COME TO THAT TIME NOW. MR. VIERA, ANYTHING, SIR? >>LUIS VIERA: [OFF MICROPHONE] -- A PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN. AND I WANTED TO MOTION FOR JUST TO COME BACK IN SIX MONTHS FOR AN UPDATE ON THAT ON MARCH 17 DURING THE REGULAR SESSION JUST FOR AN UPDATE. IT CAN BE WRITTEN, MAYBE WE'LL DO IT, BUT JUST FOR AN UPDATE. THAT'S ALL. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. VIERA HAS MADE A MOTION, PUBLIC SAFETY PLAN. SECOND ON THAT? SECONDED BY MR. CITRO. ALL IN FAVOR? OPPOSED? >>LUIS VIERA: MARCH 17. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY. JUST TO CLARIFY, MARCH 17, UNDER STAFF REPORTS, THIS IS WHAT IT SAYS ON THE CALENDAR. TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT AND TAMPA FIRE RESCUE TO PRESENT AN ANNUAL REPORT ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN. >>LUIS VIERA: IT'S ALREADY THERE? >>MARTIN SHELBY: LET ME SHOW YOU. IS THAT YOUR MOTION? >>LUIS VIERA: YOU KNOW WHAT, MAYBE I MOTIONED THIS A WHILE AGO AND FORGOT. THANK YOU. CHEERFULLY WITHDRAWN. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION TO WITHDRAW. SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. WITHDRAWN. >>LUIS VIERA: NOTHING ELSE, SIR. THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR, MR. CHAIRMAN. I'M SURE YOU ALREADY KNOW BECAUSE YOU'RE QUICK ON THIS, BUT I SEE BREAKING NEWS HERE. SUNNI BELL, WAS SHE THE YOUNG GIRL KILLED, MULTIPLE ARRESTS MADE. FIVE SUSPECTS HAVE BEEN INDICTED. JUST CAME OUT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE NEED CHIEF DELGADO TO MAKE SURE SHE CALLS COUNCIL MEMBERS AND UPDATE. I NEED AN UPDATE ON THAT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT'S IT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: NOTHING, SIR. THANK YOU. >>JOPH CITRO: BECAUSE COUNCILMAN VIERA HAD SUCH LITTLE, I THINK I WILL TAKE HIS TIME. NO, JUST KIDDING. NOTHING TODAY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I MAKE UP FOR THE SLACKERS. ON A LIGHTER NOTE, A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO DURING THE OLYMPICS WE HAD A LOCAL OLYMPIAN NIGHTEN FROM HILLSBOROUGH HIGH SCHOOL NOW -- HE'S IN GAINESVILLE, UF TRAINING. BACK THEN WE APPROVED A COMMENDATION AND SUBJECT TO HIS AVAILABILITY. HIS MOTHER ELLS US HE WILL BE IN TOWN ON 10/ 21 BRIEFLY, AND I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT THE COMMENDATION. MAKE IT VERY FAST. I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER COMMENDATIONS. BUT MINE WAS FIRST IN LINE AND FIRST IN TIME. >>ORLANDO GUDES: HOW MANY COMMENDATIONS DO WE HAVE? >>MARTIN SHELBY: ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR COMMENDATIONS PRESENTATION BY SHERRY SILK AND PRESENTATION UPDATE BY F.D.O.T. STAFF REPORTS LISTED. I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO REMOVE SOMETHING THAT WE MOTIONED ITEM 101 TO THE 21st TO PUT THAT OFF UNTIL NOVEMBER. AND I AM GOING TO REMIND COUNCIL, THERE IS NO NIGHT MEETING, BUT YOU MAY HAVE TO BREAK FOR DINNER BECAUSE IN ADDITION TO YOUR STAFF REPORTS, YOU HAVE A TIME CERTAIN REVIEW HEARING AT 1:30 IN THE AFTERNOON, WHICH COUNCIL SPECIALLY SCHEDULED THAT I AM TOLD IS GOING TO BE -- I DON'T WANT TO USE THE WORD CONTENTIOUS, BUT PERHAPS VERY ENGAGING. IT'S COUNCIL'S CALENDAR, BUT I'M SAYING TO BE PREPARED TO GO INTO N THOUGH YOU DON'T HAVE A NIGHT MEETING. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: TWO THINGS, ONE, A SHOUT-OUT TO MS. CINDY. SHE PINCHED HIT THE LAST SIX MONTHS. TODAY IS HER LAST MEETING. TOMORROW IS HER LAST DAY. I JUST WANTED -- IN DEFERENCE TO HER, I WANTED TO PUT MR. NIGHTEN'S COMMENDATION ON BECAUSE SHE'S PUSHING HARD ON THAT AND SHE'LL NEVER LET ME FORGET IT IF I DON'T GET IT THROUGH. MR. NIGHTEN'S COMMENDATION ON 10/21 IS MY MOTION. >> SECOND. >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE HAVE A MOTION MR. DINGFELDER. SECONDED BY MR. MANISCALCO. ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? SO MOVED. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SADDER NOTE AND MENTIONED A FEW TIMES BRIEFLY BUT WANT TO GIVE INFORMATION, WE LOST A WONDERUL CITY GUY. THOM SNELLING. THOM DIED A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. ANYWAY, WE CAN GIVE YOU MORE DETAILS LATER ON. HIS SERVICE WILL BE ON OCTOBER 9th AT SACRED HEART, SATURDAY 10 IN THE MORNING. THOM SNELLING I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS, PROBABLY HAD DECADES WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA. HE WAS OUR NUMBER ONE PLANNING DIRECTOR PLANNING ADMINISTRATOR. HELD VARIOUS TITLES OVER MANY, MANY YEARS. JUST A GOOD GO-TO GUY. ALWAYS WILLING TO TAKE YOUR CALL. ALWAYS WILLING TO TALK. ALWAYS WILLING TO WORK THINGS OUT AND WORKING HARD R TS CITY. I KNOW HE WAS A WONDERFUL HUSBAND AND FATHER. HAD RECENTLY RETIRED AND SETTLED IN A NEW HOUSE UP IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS. OUR REGRETS GO OUT TO HIS WIFE AND FAMILY. AGAIN, SACRED HEART, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 9th AT 10 IN THE MORNING. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD GUY. GOOD GUY. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT'S ALL. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU. I HAVE ONE. FOR 75 YEARS, MR. TAMPA IRON AND STEEL HAS BEEN IN BUSINESS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION TO MR.OB CLARK, FOR HIMSELF AND HIS COMPANY DOING OUTSTANDING WORK FOR 75 YEARS. NOT TOO MANY BUSINESSES OPEN IN THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR 75 YEARS. MAKE IT SOMETIME IN NOVEMBER. OCTOBER I THINK IS FULL. I DON'T WANT TO INTERFERE WITH MR. DINGFELDER. I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, HE IS A CHARACTER. HE IS A VERY SHARP INDIVIDUAL. THE STORY GOES, I HEARD THE OTHER NIGHT, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO DO WHAT WHAT HE DID IN THIS ERA AND HE'S DONE IT. NOVEMBER 4. >>MARTIN SHELBY: NOVEMBER 4 HAS A COMMENDATION FOR POLICE OFFICER OF THE MONTH, FIREFIGHTER OF THE QUARTER, FIVE-MINUTE PRESENTATION ON TAMPA BAY THRIVES ON MENTAL HEALTH. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CLARK, 75 YEARS. MR. DINGFELDER IS THE SECONDER. ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? GOOD FRIEND OF MINE PASSED AWAY IN THE LAST WEEK. RADIO PERSONALITY DEEJAY RANDAL C. GOSPEL ON SUNDAYS. VERY SAD. THE COMMUNITY IS VERY SADDENED BY THAT. I'LL MAKE THE COMMENDATION NEXT WEEK AND FIND OUT WHEN THE SERVICES ARE. DO THAT NEXT WEEK. I WANTED TO GET THAT OUT THAT PEOPLE KNOW THAT HE'S PASSED AWAY. GENTLEMEN, I TALKED TO MR. SHELBY EARLIER, I KEEP SAYING THE CITY IS GETTING BIGGER. AIN'T GETTING SMALLER. AT SEMI POINT, THIS COUNCIL WL HAVE TO -- AT SOME POINT THIS COUNCIL WILL HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS. LOOK WHAT TIME IT IS. AT SOME POINT, LOOK AT THE COMMENDATIONS WE'RE GIVING. LOOK AT HOW LONG WE TALK TO EXPRESS OUR DEEPEST HEARTFELT CONGRATULATIONS TO SOME OF THESE FOLKS GETTING THE COMMENDATIONS, SOME OF THE PRESENTATIONS, NEW IDEAS, A LOT OF THINGS COMING INTO THE CITY. I WANT YOU GENTLEMEN TO START LOOKING AT SOME IDEAS. HAVE MR. SHELBY TALK TO YOU GENTLEMEN ABOUT SOME IDEAS. LOOK AT THE REVIEW HEARINGS. THE TIMES. I'M LOOKING AT HOW -- IF I HAD NOT HAD THOSE REVIEW HEARINGS, WE PROBABLY COULD HAVE FINISHED A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, BUT WE HAD SO MUCH. YOU DON'T KNOW HOW LONG PEOPLE WILL TAKE, HOW MANY PEOPLE WILL COME. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M NOT GOING TO BE IN DISAGREEMENT IN TOTAL. BUT THE REVIEW HEARINGS, I'VE ALWAYS SAID IN THE PAST, THEY SHOULD BE HANDLED BY THE COURTS. YOU SEE HOW MUCH SMARTER THEY GET WHEN THEY GO TO REVIEW BECAUSE IT COST ALMOST NOTHING TO COME HERE. EN Y GO TO THE COURT SYSTEM, IT'S A DIFFERENT STORY. YOU GO TO FILE, YOU BETTER MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO WIN. YOU BETTER MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS WITH YOU. IF YOU GO TO COURT, IT WILL COST YOU A FEW BUCKS MORE. THAT'S ALL I'LL SAY. >>BILL CARLSON: I SECOND THAT. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MEAN IT SERIOUSLY. WE SHOULD NOT BE HEARING REVIEW CASES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY, I'LL ASK YOU SIR, SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND MY DIRECTIVE, TO GET WITH EACH COUNCIL MEMBER, LOOK AT A PLAN, AND THEN WE'LL SIT DOWN AND SEE WHAT THE FINAL THREE OBJECTIVES ARE AND COME WITH A PLAN TO COUNCIL. IT'S OUR HOUSE. NOT THE STAFF OR WHOEVER. IT IS OUR HOUSE TO DICTATE HOW WE RUN THE COUNCIL TO DO THE PEOPLE'S BUSINESS. AGAIN, WE'RE RUNNING BEHIND. LUCKILY, WE'VE GOT TO GET A LITTLE BREAK HERE TO GET READY FOR TONIGHT BECAUSE TONIGHT WILL BE FULL PACKED, AS YOU KNOW. COULD BE A LATE, LATE NIGHT TONIGHT. MR. CITRO. >>JOSEPH CITRO: I AGREE AND MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, ESPECIALLY OUR EVENING SESSIONS. WE HEAR CONTINUANCES AND THEY ARE GETTING PUSHED OUT FIVE, SIX MONTHS. THEN FILLING A SPOT FOR SOMEONE WHO WANTS A NEW CASE TO BE HED, SO THEY GET PUSHED OUT. AGAIN, IT'S TIME WE START MEETING AT LEAST ONE MORE EVENING A MONTH, MINIMUM. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ERNIE BANKS ONCE SAID HE LOVES BASEBALL SO MUCH HE LOVED TO PLAY HITTERS. I FEEL THE SAME WAY ERNIE BANKS FEELS. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I'LL SUPPORT WHATEVER IT TAKES TO MOVE THINGS ALONG. THE MORE TIME I SPEND IN CITY HALL, THE HAPPIER MY LIFE IS. [ LAUGHTER ] >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THERE YOU GO. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU HAVE A LOT OF TIME. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHATEVER IT TAKES TO KEEP THIS GOG. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY, AGAIN, MY DIRECTIVE TO YOU IS GET WITH EACH COUNCIL MEMBER, COME UP WITH IDEAS, SIT DOWN, PUT THEM TOGETHER AND COME BACK AND MAKE A DECISION ON HOW WE WILL RUN CITY COUNCIL MOVING FORWARD. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, AT YOUR DIRECTION, I WILL SET UP MEETINGS WITH EACH COUNCIL MEMBER THROUGH THEIR LEGISLATIVE AIDE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO, IF I CAN, MR. CHAIRMAN, ITEM NUMBER 101 IS SOMETHING THAT WAS A REQUEST BY THE ADMINISTRATION BECAUSE MS. POST WAS UNAVAILABLE, IT'S AN ITEM NUMBER 101 WAS COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER'S MOTION ORIGINALLY REGARDING A NEIGHBORHOOD PROPOSAL TEXT AMENDMENT, AND THEY REQUESTED OCTOBER 21st DURING AGENDA APPROVAL -- APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA. YOU CONTINUED THAT, BUT THEN, COUNCIL, IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION AGAIN THAT THAT IS LIKELY TO BE SOMETHING THAT WILL TAKE TIME. OCTOBER 21st IS VERY FULL. SO I'M ASKING THAT MOTION TO BE AMENDED OR REVISED -- >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DO WE HAVE A PLANNING WORKSHOP, PLANNING SUES WORKSHOP? >>MARTIN SHELBY: OH, THAT'S GOING TO BE A REAL FULL ONE, TOO. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I KNOW. BUT IT'S A PLANNING ISSUE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT IS A PLANNING ISSUE. AND THAT IS SCHEDULED FOR PLANNING -- PLANNING IS SCHEDULED FOR THE 28th. IF YOU LOOK AT THAT CALENDAR, JUST A REMINDER, YOU HAVE ANOTHER NIGHT MEETING THAT STARTS AT 5:00. IF YOU ADD SOMETHING TO THE 28th, AND CERTAINLY YOU CAN IF THEY WANT IT CONTINUED, IF YOU WANT IT CONTINUED, WE CAN DO THAT BETWEEN NOW AND THEN IF THAT'S THE DATE YOU WANT TO ASK. I'M ASKING IT TO BE REMOVED FROM THE 21st CALENDAR, UNLESS YOU WANT TO LEAVE IT TRE AND THEN ULTIMATELY HAVE IT CONTINUED. I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT -- BECAUSE I DID NOT REALIZE WHEN THIS CAME UP THIS MORNING -- >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHAT IS A GOOD DAY, MR. SHELBY? >>MARTIN SHELBY: ON THE 28th, BUT THEY DIDN'T RECOMMEND THE 28th. THEY RECOMMENDED A REGULAR COUNCIL DAY. THE NEXT REGULAR COUNCIL DAY AFTER THE 21st IS NOVEMBER 4th. THAT LOOKS PRETTY LIGHT COMPARATIVELY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: IS RANDY OR CAROLE POST ON THE LINE? >>MARTIN SHELBY: I TRIED TO CONTACT CAROLE POST. THEN I READ THE MEMO AND IT SAYS SHE IS NOT AVAILABLE. IT SAYS SHE NEEDS TO BE PRESENT, AND SHE IS NOT PRESENT TODAY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: LET'S JUST SET IT AND IF THEY DON'T LIKE IT, THEY CAN COME BACK AND CHANGE IT. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MOVING IT TO NOVEMBER 4. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER MOVED IT TO NOVEMBER 4. SECONDED BY MR. CARLSON. ALL IN FAVOR? OPPOSED? NOVEMBER 4 IT IS. THANK YOU. MADAM DEPUTY CLERK, YOUR HAND WAS RAISED. >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE'LL MAKE IT NOW SINCE YOU'RE ASKING. RANDY MILLNER, I BELIEVE. RANDY C. MILLINER. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MOTION AND SECOND BY THE CHAIRMAN TO RECOGNIZE RANDY MILLNER WITH A COMMENDATION OUTSIDE OF THIS CHAMBERS. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIED. >> RECEIVE AND FILE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: RANDALL. RANDALL C. MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE, MR. MANISCALCO. SECONDED BY MR. MIRANDA. ALL IN ? ALL RIGHT. [ SOUNDING GAVEL ] WE'RE ADJOURNED. 5:01.